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The Elderberry helicopter, for nub debates, holey tights and boxing pirate scans

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Tallyra Fri 25-Oct-13 11:50:42

Open to all elderberry grads and anyone who fits the berry criteria: over 30, 1st to early 2nd trimester(ish) with #1 after trying for a loooong time, and nervous as hell. Come on in for handholding and nub theory!

Tallyra Fri 25-Oct-13 11:57:25

Bazinga! I did it grin

Foodylicious Fri 25-Oct-13 12:02:35

You did indeed! <she says coming in and wiping her feet, its awful out there>
What furniture do we have in the Copter??

I will donate a couch of comfort <as long as I can stay on it all day>

Hooray tally! Excellent work! Love what you've done with the place too.

Still a time limit in here I see. Lucky I'm only just 13 weeks then <cough>

Yay tally, success! I'm definitely still 1st trimester if Thunder is <plonks self firmly on couch of comfort with foody>

Today I'm tired and fat. When is this bump going to become a bump rather than just a really lardy midriff? Mr Boom pointed out to MIL yesterday 'look how tubby Boom is getting' wow, thanks...

Angelina77 Fri 25-Oct-13 12:59:04

just checking in to the new thread smile

Well if I'm not boom then I'm chucked out of here sad

Tallyra Fri 25-Oct-13 14:02:36

you're still early ish 2nd though thunder aren't you? or am I getting confused. thought you were a few weeks further than boom and I?

Tallyra Fri 25-Oct-13 14:03:21

it's probably me being naive, sorry. you're still allowed here, I said so.

Tallyra Fri 25-Oct-13 14:09:34

as for the question about Halloween, dh wanted to have a fun kids camp in the woods one afternoon, but I'm still too weak to get out there and the weather looks quite bad so I doubt our friends would join us anyway. I've never been home for Halloween here before so I'm not sure what the kids are Luke, probably little scavengers - they usually are. shock

<whispers> 19 weeks tally. Is that still early? Yeah I'm sure it is!

We don't do anything for Halloween over ere. I think we must just be pretty boring thlsmile

Tallyra Fri 25-Oct-13 14:23:43

yeah, sure that is! it's only 4 weeks more than me anyway, and that's not long grin

Oh that's ok then <comes out of hiding and offers doughnuts>

Tally remind me when your due date is? I think you're a couple of days ahead of me smile Kids around here are vultures on Halloween, last year we forgot to buy sweets and had to hide in the dark to stop them ringing the doorbell! this year I will just eat them all myself

OOOOH doughnuts grin

Tallyra Fri 25-Oct-13 15:56:51

17th April as ling as they don't change it. you'll beat me to it though I'm sure.

donuts are goooood.

Foodylicious Fri 25-Oct-13 15:59:39

I am soo buying doghnuts when I pop out in a mo!
Re halloween - it makes me feel a bit unkind blush to hide or go out every year, and I don't mind the little kids coming round with parents in the afternoon. But there just are not that many little kids round here - only big ones who may not be that nice hmm. So will getting planning on what to watch smile.

Well done on the thread tally
foody poor you for being ill. My sickness has now stopped but I found I really had to experiment with what and when I ate as it could make a huge difference. I think the light waded ness is normal, its to do with increasing amounts of blood, and the breathlessness is nearly flooring me but I don't have any advice. Hope you feel better soon

BlindKitty Fri 25-Oct-13 17:29:30

tal well done with the thread! You feeling any better?

foody we don't do anything for Halloween either. Mum used to make me go to anti-Halloween parties when I was a kid haha (she's very religious!). Did buy some sweets for trick or treaters (wont tell my mum!) although they'll prob get scoffed before Halloween anyway!

boom any advice for someone in breech position 1 week before edd? My friend is worried she'll have to have a c section

So nothing preg related here but thought I'd share something an elderly patient said to me the other day. We were talking about body measurements (I can't weigh him as he's bed bound) and he was like 'I've got 3 legs you know!' and winked! grin

Foodylicious Fri 25-Oct-13 17:45:42

For those that are interested this is what should be discussed at your appointments, I find it good to have the info they are meant to go by...
healthguides.mapofmedicine.com/choices/map/normal_pregnancy1.html

it starts with your booking appt & there is a link at the bottom of the page for the next appt.

PuppyMummy Fri 25-Oct-13 17:49:52

Checking in on new thread! smile

Foodylicious Fri 25-Oct-13 17:50:31

Got a good one for you kitty, a couple of weeks ago I was giving one of my pts their tablets and
I said "its just this little blue one" (it was Lorazepam)
he replied (very quickly) "oh, how about this nine inches of uncontrollable flesh I have for you dear!" It was really very, very funny grin.

Angelina77 Fri 25-Oct-13 18:07:51

Thanks for the link foody , good to know what to expect

Angelina77 Fri 25-Oct-13 18:09:09

What's with all these randy patients? That's horrific.

BlindKitty Fri 25-Oct-13 18:17:10

I know, I shouldn't laugh! Very unprofessional haha

Well you will think I'm a very silly berry but at 10+2 (and currently wretching) I decided to do a hpt. Yep, defo need to hide them away now! hmm

Foodylicious Fri 25-Oct-13 19:12:12

My pts at least have the dis-inhibition of dementia as an excuse!

BlindKitty Fri 25-Oct-13 19:15:23

He doesn't have dementia but he's elderly enough to get away with it smile. However, did almost get groped by a patient with dementia a few months back. I stupidly didn't notice there was an 'alert' on the system that said he had a track record of it! Fortunately, I can move quickly!

Foodylicious Fri 25-Oct-13 19:23:42

Ninja reflex's are very useful!

katatonic Fri 25-Oct-13 19:52:35

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

qazxc Fri 25-Oct-13 20:09:43

ooohhh lovely new shiny thread! This weekend I shall mainly stockpile chocolate for trick or treaters and then hide at Halloween so that i can scoff the lot myself. thlwink

Tallyra Fri 25-Oct-13 20:26:53

no problem guys.

my head hurts, my nose is running and my throat scratches sad
I want to be normal and ok and just get on with it!!!

BlindKitty Sat 26-Oct-13 07:15:16

tally you totally deserve to be normal after everything you've been through brew

Stoooopid drunken dh woke me up snoring, burping, darting and kicking last night. So much for my lie in. Just in spare bed now with the cat, trying for another 40 winks but think I'm too hungry to sleep now!

Morning all

Kitty have they only just found out she's breech? She should have been offered ECV (external cephalic version) where they try and manually turn the baby through abdominal manipulation. It doesn't always work but is generally offered, although usually at 37wks - they might be reluctant at 39 due to size of baby and possible engagement.

There are alternative therapies she could try: google moxibustion or osteopathy, both have had reported (although probably not proven, I'm not sure on the exact research) success and the NHS actually offers moxibustion in some trusts.

If the baby doesn't turn, she will be offered a section; she doesn't have to have one and can choose breech vaginal delivery, obstetricians should be able to deliver breech. There was some very dodgy research done in the early 1990s/2000s called the term breech trial (Hannah et al) which said breech delivery was unsafe and is basically why they started sectioning most breeches; it has been largely discredited by another paper (possibly Glezerman?? long time since I wrote the essay) so worth looking into and discussing with the consultant if she wants to try a breech birth.

Sorry, that turned into an essay! Hope it helped a bit...

<snort> at the randy old patients!

No lightheadedness here, but so breathless it's ridiculous - struggling massively with the stairs (live in a townhouse) and have to stop to have a gasp at the top!

PoppySeedBun Sat 26-Oct-13 08:16:12

Morning all - what a lovely shiny new thread! Though can't believe we're on the second page already confused

I've missed loads, so in no particular order:

tally it's so nice to hear what you're eating - sounds like you've really turned the corner. Sorry to hear you have a cold. I had one a couple of weeks ago, and it did seem to linger longer, especially the cough, as I'm producing so much phlegm anyway (sorry, TMI)

foody yes, 'morning' sickness is definitely weird. There seems to be little rhyme or reason. Just when I think I've got it figured out, something unexpected happens. Thought I was over it last week but then had a total relapse at the weekend. However, have even steadily improving since Weds so hoping now (14 wks) it might be behind me.

On other symptoms, I've been breathless for weeks, so have been walking much more slowly, and having to pause between flights of stairs - embarrassing but necessary.

The worst of it was that our sweet Health & Safety officer at work sat me down when he found out and said that because of the increased risk of fainting, I should be telling someone every time I go to the loo, so that if I collapse, someone can come and find me shock Needless to say, I haven't been doing that - sometimes that's the only peace and quiet in the day!
OTOH, I'm not having to deal with potential groping at work wink

DH came back from a work trip to New York this morning, and brought doughnuts all the way from a shop there that we visited in the summer. He's very proud of himself - not so much brownie points as doughnut points grin

qazxc Sat 26-Oct-13 08:58:32

kitty my colleague swears by reflexology after trying everything and then after one session her baby flipped round.
Good luck to all suffering with sickness, you have my sympathies.
Does anyone else have really weird dreams? pg symptom or just my weird brain?

BlindKitty Sat 26-Oct-13 09:51:59

Thanks boom and qaz, I'll let her know

Brodicea Sat 26-Oct-13 10:00:17

Ooo, lovely juicy new thread!

OMG poppy that is ridiculous advice: 'Right, I'm going to the loo but it's a poo so allow at least ten minutes'!

Tallyra Sat 26-Oct-13 10:06:43

qaz yes! I've been having freakier dreams than normal for months now. quite disturbing ones sometimes like people getting killed or chasing me (that's normal but it's weirder than that now). I've heard the dream thing is normal though.

Yes qaz very weird, vivid dreams, sometimes quite nasty or naughty and I often wake up thinking they really happened!

Brod <snorts with laughter>

Poppy New Yorkian donuts! Awesome and amazing that he didn't eat them on the way home

Tallyra Sat 26-Oct-13 11:15:56

girls, advice please. we want to take a couple of days away before Christmas and we're thinking of going to a Christmas market. now living in Kent, its as easy to go abroad as anywhere in UK but dh passport gas run out. has anyone got any good ones near them we could do as a weekend trip?

Foodylicious Sat 26-Oct-13 11:18:41

hey guys, piper has some bad news if you can pop back on to the last thread x

Foodylicious Sat 26-Oct-13 11:20:49

tally www.christmasmarkets.com/UK.html might give you some ideas

Tallyra Sat 26-Oct-13 11:34:18

thanks! I'll look with dh later.

qazxc Sat 26-Oct-13 16:27:28

Poppy that is ridiculous, to have to broadcast your bodily functions to the office. Am really jealous about new york donuts, kuddos to Mr Poppy.

Tallyra Sat 26-Oct-13 16:40:48

I just found treacle lollipops ay the farm shop.....grin

PuppyMummy Sat 26-Oct-13 18:26:43

mmmm doughnuts! luckily our villa has wifi so I won't miss any news! smile

Treacle lollipops! My life would be complete if only there were treacle lollipops in it!

BlindKitty Sun 27-Oct-13 08:03:05

And mine! Treacle flavoured things are ways better. I can't be trusted with actual treacle, I'd pull a filling out!

Tallyra Sun 27-Oct-13 09:21:41

it took me 3/4hr to eat one. heaven.

I'm so jealous of the lolly...

MIL is driving me potty this morning, she's trying to help me tidy the kitchen after dinner last night but instead is in my way constantly. She's a nice lady but I just don't like sharing my space! Luckily Mr Boom has taken her with him to walk the dogs round the reservoir so I have a couple of hours peace and quiet....aaaah before working all afternoon/evening

Got my allocation for my new job, I'll be starting on antenatal ward which is the best possible place really: not as manic as delivery suite and no back-breaking breastfeeding support on postnatal. I still haven't got my contract but have been asked to go in to sort out a few bits and order my uniform etc...I'm going to have to tell them, if only because I'll need to order maternity uniform! Sure they can't withdraw the offer now so no reason not to I suppose..someone reassure me that it's not silly to tell them before a contract's been signed..

Tallyra Sun 27-Oct-13 11:28:09

they surely can't change their minds now. you are going to have to yell them soon before they notice by themselves...

Foodylicious Sun 27-Oct-13 11:35:33

Can you ask them if they can get the contract ready for when you go in to see them?

Foodylicious Sun 27-Oct-13 11:44:00

I am guessing its the ward or unit that have asked you to go in ? - if so I would ring HR direct and ask them to send the contract 1st class, explaining that you don't feel right organising start dates and uniform etc without signing it first.

Yeah foody it's the ward. My contact at HR is worse than useless, I've directly asked him about 6 times for my contract! Will try again tomorrow. I don't mind going to HR to sign it, I just don't want to go to the ward without being able to tell them if you know what I mean, after all I have to work with these people and I don't want to be dishonest. Hate feeling like I'm being underhanded when I'm just trying to protect myself!

BlindKitty Sun 27-Oct-13 18:14:14

boom I'm 99% sure there's nothing they can do (thinking of the equality act). In an ideal world you should get your contract first but knowing what the nhs is like, it prob won't happen. I'll ask my HR for you tomorrow as I'm in quite close contact with them doing trade union work

Tallyra Sun 27-Oct-13 19:40:34

Gaah. We've decided to go to the Bath Christmas Market, and guess what? There are no hotel rooms left, at least not that we can afford. I'm so annoyed!!!

Foodylicious Sun 27-Oct-13 19:55:14

ooh, when were you going to go tally

I'm 25 mins from bath- come stay in frome!

Tallyra Sun 27-Oct-13 20:23:12

Aww, thanks Thunder! We have decided to stay in a much cheaper travelodge in Warminster. It's the last weekend in November, the week the market opens. Looking forward to it already!!! Come and meet up Thunder? I'm sure dh would be happy to see another bumpy person wink

Yeah cool. You on FB enough for pm?

Tallyra Sun 27-Oct-13 22:40:01

Yes, I'm in the original berry group and I'm on fb a lot more now too. Just not in the graduate group yet.

PoppySeedBun Mon 28-Oct-13 08:09:04

Eep - Thunder, you're in Frome?? I went to school there .. smile
Maybe I'll have to brave this FB group - paranoid about other FB friends finding out, as they haven't all been told yet.

Quiet round here... Did everyone survive the storm? Any scans/appointments this week?

Thought storm was a bit of a anticlimax in the south west anyway. My major headaches seem to be staying away now which is wonderful! Still feeling crap and throwing up occasionally but I can live with that.

thunder so glad the headaches have gone. Am so glad my feeling crap has gone, I occasionally feel sick but no actual being sick so you have my sympathy. Are you showing yet?

poppy it's a secret group, none of your friends can see what you write in it or any of the updates - safe as houses! unless you accidentally think you're posting in the group and really it's your wall but maybe that's just me

No storm here merk, grotty rainy weather but distinctly underwhelmed at the moment! No scans at the moment, 16wk midwife appt is a week on Thurs..

Thanks kitty, be good to hear what they say. I'm phoning HR in a minute to have a nother whinge at them...

Yes definitely showing now but still just feel fat really. I'm going to this party on Saturday and could barely do my dress up. It's not just belly and boobs that have expanded, it's ribs too. Oh and arse hmm

You?

Tallyra Mon 28-Oct-13 09:04:43

lots of fences down here in Kent, ans apparently a couple of trees across the road on dh way to work. he brought an axe just in case! I love how hands-on he is!

Hope the party isn't an important one
Thunder wink
I've been showing for ages but now at the point where I can't hide it. even my baggy blouses have people glancing suspiciously at my stomach. Grr 4 more weeks until I get my permanent contract (fingers crossed) and then I can let it all hang out! And yes, I have also put on weight everywhere else, tried a pair of pre pregnancy jeans on and couldn't get them over my knees. Bra straps are all digging in round my chest and my shoes don't fit!
So maybe Kitty and I are next for scans next Wed

Tallyra Mon 28-Oct-13 09:23:16

oh, haha, I tried on my favourite jumper this morning. I'd forgotten how short it was - no way I'm keeping my belly warm in that one! in sure I could hide my tiny bump if I could be bothered but I quite like it being almost obvious. I haven't tried to get into anything special yet though. of course I don't need to hide it as everyone in the world knows about me anyway.

Oh goodness merk you're still having to be discreet at work? How come- your boss knows, right?

I have the most comfortable work maternity trousers which I now have two pairs of. My tops still fit as I mostly wear long jersey tops and tunics, but you can see bump and fat sticking through without a doubt.

Boss knows but not how far along. And I'm still on a temp contract for the next 4 weeks meaning they could theoretically get rid of me with no notice. So I am trying to be discreet until I have a permanent contract in my hand!

Fair enough! Do they offer maternity pay too?

Just coming on for a mememe whinge, sorry girls. Had a horrible morning, worked until late last night, mr boom woke me at 5 and the dogs wanted to go out by 5.45 so no lie in. Mil wanted to take us for breakfast with SIL, mr boom was horrible to everyone all morning, snapping and being rude for no reason other than he was cranky. I was so uncomfortable and embarrassed that he was behaving so badly, asked him to try and tone it down to which he snapped really nastily at me in front of his mum and sister. Left them on bad terms and then ignored me all the way home while driving like a maniac. He then came upstairs to apologise, I wouldn't accept the apology because he wasn't sorry for acting like a dick, he just doesn't want me to be angry with him. Well tough shit, I'm FUMING that he spoke to his family like that and to me like that in front of them! AIBU? I've taken the car out for a drive because I can't be in the house with him..

Sorry for lengthy grumble! Just needed to have a vent sad

Doesn't sound like you're bu boom, but what will he have to do to prove he is sorry? Has he said why he was acting like a dick?
Thunder if I get my permanent contract I get maternity pay so FX

Foodylicious Mon 28-Oct-13 12:40:06

Boom what a t***! I would not accept the apology too quickly, but would not want him feeling bad either.
I think he needs to phone his family and apologise to them too saying he should have not spoken to any of you like that, especially not in front of each other.
Then maybe ask him what is actually going on if this is really out of character for him.

Can you get something nice for lunch and watch a film together this aft? - has he just had enough of his mum (think you said she had stayed the weekend?)

Ladies, not normally a fan of the Daily mail but found this today - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2321147/No-talks-morning-sickness-bloating-excess-hair-headaches-Expectant-mother-Ashley-Person-says-Fight-Club-pregnancy.html

Foodylicious Mon 28-Oct-13 12:48:25
Tallyra Mon 28-Oct-13 13:47:52

great article! some of the commenters made me a bit angry. though. just because people think some things they really shouldn't say them all!

BelissimaLol Mon 28-Oct-13 16:11:41

Tally and poppy please do join us on fb!!!! The more the merrier gringrin
Thund oh dear have you managed to fit into your party dress??? Hope you're looking forward to it xx

BlindKitty Mon 28-Oct-13 17:21:03

merk didn't realise we were scan buddies? What time 6th is yours?

boom whenever I'm around my mum or dad for too long for some bizarre reason I seem to regress about 20 years and start acting like a petulant teenager again until I've had a word with myself. Maybe mr boom just has 'petchulant teenager syndrome'? wink

Re your contract, I've spoken to my HR. as long as you've had your unconditional offer through your absolutely fine. The trust had 2 months to actually sort your final contract so may not happen any time soon. If they were to treat you unfairly you could sue their asses big time which would make up not getting decent maternity pay. Re uniforms, I would just tell them now. You might piss them off if you mess them about ordering the wrong uniforms. Also, they might want to risk assess you working on the ward for health and safety reasons. Fwiw, my contact was genuinely concerned that you were worried about this and really wanted to talk to you so obviously had to tell her you were from a completely different trust!

thunder why don't you just embrace the baby bump tubbiness wink. I've been stroking my muffin top all week. I'm only 11weeks so it's clearly just haribo!!'

My scan is 8.55 so luckily not much time to get anxious beforehand... you?

Boom hope you are being spoiled rotten by Mr Boom to make up for him being a noob

Kitty that's exactly it, he's regressed! In fairness, it's not just him, it's his entire family who bicker and pick at each other, it's just miserable being around them sometimes. Merk I didn't want to just let him off the hook when he was just apologising so I wouldn't be mad at him, he didn't see that anything was wrong with his behaviour. I'm still annoyed with him, he just never admits when he's being completely unreasonable. Went and drove to my friend's house and had a cuppa and ignored him for a few hours though, do feel a bit better now!

Thunder, merk, I can't tell if I'm properly showing or not. Sometimes I think I am, today I think I just look a bit plump. Kitty I'm with you on the obvious stroking of midsection despite my previous hatred of women who did smug bump-rubbing in public Hope you manage to fit in your dress come Saturday thunder!

That article made me chuckle. It is so true!

boom I meant to ask - why is the breast feeding bit back breaking for mws? kitty's advice and research seems great and probably sensible to tell them before they order uniform. Do they do maternity stuff?!

And yeah I do love the bit that's actually bump. I try to refrain from stroking it though! It has been pretty crampy today so I assume that is growing and stretching. Hope so anyway!

thunder Because as a general rule mums are lying in bed to breastfeed, which only comes up to a certain height. So to help them you either have to bend over or sit on the bed and twist (and we're not supposed to sit on the bed anyway) or kneel next to the bed. Sometimes you're in that position for an hour trying to help the mums get the baby attached and check that the baby is feeding well. It's honestly such hard work!

Kitty sorry, didn't mean to ignore all your lovely advice bad Boom was skim reading thank you for finding out for me! Unfortunately I haven't had an unconditional offer, my offer is conditional upon my references, which my idiot of a mentor hasn't yet seen fit to write despite having had a month and a half to do so. I've chased her about it several times, asked her ward manager to chase her, there's only so much I can do. So I have absolutely nothing formal, just a phone call and an email telling me I have a conditional offer of a position - hence feeling so concerned! Of course I wouldn't order the wrong size uniform, I'm just hoping to delay ordering it until it's all out in the open.. I'll phone HR tomorrow and ask them what I can do, hopefully without giving them my name. I really do feel like it's all so shady, I'm so uncomfortable with the whole thing!

Tallyra Mon 28-Oct-13 19:16:16

can't you raise the beds up? all the ones I've been in go pretty high!

Yep, they raise up but not to a height where you don't have to stoop at all. Trust me, I've tried every possible position. One of the main complaints of midwives on postnatal wards is back pain. The problem is that mums have to be comfortable to breast feed, but that almost invariably requires the midwife to be bloody uncomfortable!

BlindKitty Mon 28-Oct-13 20:15:54

merk 14.00 but at least I don't have to go back to work

boom hmm without that unconditional offer I might be tempted to stay quiet a little whole longer. Can you just offer another reference to speed up the process?

I gave three referees, they've only asked the first two, one of whom hasn't responded. I did ask if they could just use the third, who I know will respond straight away, but they didn't seem to want to. I'm phoning them again in the morning, I'm starting to lose sleep over the whole situation which is just ridiculous!

Foodylicious Mon 28-Oct-13 20:48:37

Boom Re helping to breast feed on wards - sounds like they need adjustable little stools on wheels like the ones hairdressers have!
What a nightmare with your references! hope you get it sorted soon sad

Boom you are protected by the law regardless of your offer being unconditional. They would have to prove there was a valid reason other than the pregnancy to withdraw the offer. Don't worry, their HR department won't allow anything untoward

Well girls, I gave up with HR, they're useless. Phoned my ward manager and told her instead, she was lovely about it. I'm going in to see her tomorrow. Massive weight off my shoulders now that it's out in the open!

Foody we definitely need some of those stools!

Foodylicious Tue 29-Oct-13 10:26:36

yay boom glad its made you feel better.

I am soo tired, really bad night last resulting in no sleep until after 5am!
3 wees in 2 hours, then sick at 2am 2 more wees and lots and lots of painful trapped wind, retching and general uncomfyness.
Have MW booking appt at 11.30 so likely napping this afternoon
Dr has extended my sick note until the 11th so need to meet up with my manager and occy health to discuss how they are happy to have me at work. At the moment I would not be able to do normal shifts/be counted in the numbers etc but could prob get a fair bit of paperwork done (in between being a bit sicky). Its about whether they are happy having me back like this, reviewing it every week or 2. Really don't want to stay off but can't see how I could have possibly gone to work today for example. Unfortunately I don't have much AL left so cant use that to reduce hours or at short notice.

Really quite nervous about appt today - not really sure why, think it will be hard as i had had the appt before the mc - feeling quite teary about it all.
Anyway, need to get my arse in the shower if I am going to make it on time.

Sorry you've had such a rough night foody, hope your appointment went well. Was it your booking? (sorry, I've lost track a bit..)

When will you speak to work? Hope they're sympathetic and let you go back on an ad-hoc basis, fingers crossed!

Foodylicious Tue 29-Oct-13 14:04:07

thanks boom
appt was ok, and yes it was booking. Feeling a bit more positive about things.
I mentioned to her that I needed to sort out getting back to work soon and she looked at me like I was mad! Said this was a rubbish time for a lot of people and that I should be kind to myself and get 'this bit' over with before I go back. Was going to speak to work soon-ish but the sickness and nausea is getting worse so maybe not yet.

Foodylicious Tue 29-Oct-13 14:35:32

Also seems my trust have changed their guidelines following a Lletz procedure. They used to refer you for consultant care if you had had 2-3, now they refer everyone who has had one. So that is me referred. Don't think I will get an appointment for ages though.

Anyone know anymore? I know I am not the only one here to have had a Lletz.

Just thee 'n' me on here today foody! Must be something we said..

Glad your appointment went ok, your mw sounds spot on. If you're not up to it, you're not up to it!

I'm not a lletzer, I know someone mentioned it a couple of pages ago though..

In Boomworld, today has been a good day: dogs have behaved, had a lovely walk in the sunshine, no work tonight so putting my feet up and finding some trashy telly to watch. Also have officially made the announcement on FB as just couldn't be bothered with texting everyone and their uncle, so my secret is now well and truly out!

qazxc Tue 29-Oct-13 17:26:56

Hi everybody.

I have turned into a zombie! I am permanently tired, my brain has turned to mush even though i go to bed at 6.30 (yes 6.30 I shit you not). I don't sleep properly because i have weird dreams/ nightmares. Having said that i am seeing it as a good omen before my scan, surely if i'm having symptoms it's a good sign.

Tallyra Tue 29-Oct-13 17:30:33

congrats boom, nice to tell everyone isn't it?

foody, at my scan this morning the doctor noticed lletz on my notes so put a note for my 20wk one to check cervix length, apparently it can shorten it somehow and therefore cause for concern in some way. she checked on the scan today anyway, saying it should be over 25 and mine was 41 so she thinks it'll be fine. I think that was mm. I'll ask the mW on Friday if I remember too. I got 2 scan photos today, one baby and one cervix. lovely!

PuppyMummy Tue 29-Oct-13 17:40:54

Hi everyone, hope ur all ok. on phone so can't remember all the news to link back to!

im having a poop day despite being on holiday cos am having another wobbly 'not feeling pregnant' day again due to total lack of symptoms except being stupidly tired. actually think it might be better to be busy at work!
Still 4 weeks til scan too. Aaaarrrrrgghhhh! this is actual torture!

kitty when you poas did it work? I seem to hav in my head that it might not past 8 weeks. am I making that up???

I might poas when we get home to reassure myself...

Foodylicious Tue 29-Oct-13 17:42:39

Hee Hee boom must watch what we say it seems...
Not too worried tally, I am glad its being checked routinely now as i was going to ask them to check it anyway. From what I understand occasionally some women need a 'stitch', but seems rare. yay to your scan pic smile
qazxc I too am with you taking symptoms as being a good sign, so was my MW today. when is your scan?

I get so lost with where everybody is! is this about right?
A few not on here yet

Foody, 7wks
Puppy, 8wks
Kitty, 10+6 (EDD 21st may)
Brodicea, 13 wks (EDD 4th May)
Boom, 14wks (EDD 22 April)
Poppy, 14 wks (EDD 23 April)
Tally, 15wks (EDD 17 April)
Merk, 18+3 (or 4)
Thunder, 19wks (EDD 20th March)

Heh tally how nice, a picture of your cervix! Do you get given photos at every scan? Wonder if we'll get pictures all the way through too...probably not, I expect the babies get too big at some point to take a decent picture! It's great to finally get it out in the open, I'm not really a fan of FB announcements but that's the modern age for you I guess! This thread has made me feel a bit bad now though (even though I totally disagree with the OP)

Qaz I remember the tiredness, it's horrendous! It does get a bit better, I can now stay up until at least 8.30 grin

BlindKitty Tue 29-Oct-13 18:10:03

boom phew that's great news re your boss. I'd heard a few horror stories so its good to hear you have an understanding boss. Glad you've 'come out' on fb as well! I can't wait to slap my scan picture at the world! We deserve it with all the pics we've had to endure over the years!

foody poor you! you really do make me grateful for my lack of side effects! Have you considered a 'staggered return to work' e.g. working half days until you're well enough for full days? If so, you should get the gp to suggest it in your 'fit to work' note

Re lletz, I had cryotherapy to my cervix about 13 years ago so they've referred me to the consultant as well. Was a but bothered at first but then merk pointed out that I'd get more attention (and potentially more scans) so feel better now!

qaz I hear you with the lack of sleep. I'm waking at 3.00 and just wide awake for ages. Also can't remember the last night I didn't have a zombie dream, although I suspect it's something to do with watching walking dead every night!

puppy yep very clearly positive lol. Feel a bit silly now. Sure you don't need to but if it makes you feel better then fair enough!

Foodylicious Tue 29-Oct-13 18:16:21

Puppy I last poas about a week ago, think i have got through about 15 in the last few weeks! grin they have all been obviously positive but some darker than others - thay are mass produced so not identical and I did them any different times of day. I have not used not a clearblue digi with the weeks display since I first got BFP as they are notorious for being inaccurate and 2 tests might give different weeks sending you into panic unnecessarily.

BlindKitty Tue 29-Oct-13 18:17:54

boom re thread completely disagree with the writer about not texting. Whenever someone told me to my face, I literally counted the minutes before I could go home and cry! Wished I'd just had a gentle text!

BlindKitty Tue 29-Oct-13 18:19:54

foody in total I've done 13 hpts! Thank goodness for ic!!!

Foodylicious Tue 29-Oct-13 18:30:39

boom - have read that thread and don't agree with the OP either. if we know our friends well and how we normally communicate we can usualy judge it pretty well I think. I have some friends ttc I would want to tell in person - the ones who have asked me positively about how things have gone. 1 i would only tell by text as I think they would find it too hard face to face. then there are others like you say in fb who really will just deal with it like we all do/have had to. The difficulty is that most people access their emails and texts everywhere including work which is not where we want to be when we hear difficult news.
A few weeks ago I was at a friends house (she knows about mc) and another (male) friend was visiting too who does not know - she decided to take it upon herself to share someone else good news with me infront of other friend. I found this really hard and snapped "oh so they are telling everyone then?" I felt bad afterwards, but I think she should have been more considerate. I don't think it was her news to share and she should not have told me in front of someone I could not 'react' in front of. left me feeling really uncomfortable altogether.
Its all such a nightmare, but we muddle through...

Brodicea Tue 29-Oct-13 18:54:03

I was just reading that thread - I did think the guidance on what to say in person was also a bit patronising (we had a similar discussion a couple of months back I think?) but I guess it does depend on the kind of relationship you have with your friends.
We've recently done a group email on facebook for people who haven't guessed / told already. This included one person I know was trying for ages, just as I pressed send she sent me a message with HER good news! She's due 5 days after me - phew! But there will be others I don't know about. It's often weird news for those who aren't even TTC (like single friends, recently split friends etc).

qazxc Tue 29-Oct-13 18:55:59

foody I'm six weeks and am having first scan next monday. Am really hoping for a heartbeat on dildocam. fx
boom so glad work is sorted out, must be a big load off your mind.

I also have been wondering about how to tell a friend who has been ttc for years. for the previous couple of years we have been the barren twosome and have each other to confide in as to how hard it is. I know that she'll be happy for me (as i would for her) but i worry that she might feel it leaves her without anyone to confide in. Having said that i am probably getting ahead of myself as we might not get the news we want at the scan.

Tallyra Tue 29-Oct-13 19:18:22

don't be so negative qaz, I know it's hard, but the chances are good everything's fine smile (i know, pot, kettle, and it seems there are a lot of mc here but it's technically a low risk.)

Tallyra Tue 29-Oct-13 19:19:10

re scans. yes I have loads of photos now but today's one is the last for about a month.

Hi all... Too lazy to name check or join in shock
I would suggest you all stop reading NOW as I spent last night googling ways to prevent tearing and the average length of the perenium (4.5cm if anyone wants to know) as it seems the longer the better shockgrin I clearly need a slap round the head with some kind of sausage

Tallyra Tue 29-Oct-13 19:32:23

thwack!

Brodicea Tue 29-Oct-13 20:13:16

Hee hee merk!

Did you measure yours then merk?

boom I also disagree with that OP and agree with most of the respondents in that I much much prefer receiving news by text or email rather than face to face. But of course everyone is different and one thing will work for one friend that won't work for others.

foody sorry you're feeling cruddy.

Peeked into the other grads thread and it's all about baby poo! Too scary....

BlindKitty Tue 29-Oct-13 21:32:23

qaz I had the same dilemma. She was the first person I told actually. I kind of had to as we speak so much (several times a day) re ttc so she knew when af was due, when I'd had my insemination (hate that word) etc. she's still very stressed with ttc but she's also over the moon for me and I think me getting diffed has given her some hope. Praying so hard she gets diffed soon sad

merk I read something about massaging the perineum with olive oil. Guessing you'd need to be super careful if you were to have sex after...may get a different hole... shock

BelissimaLol Tue 29-Oct-13 21:49:18

Yeah apparently perineum massage is supposed to help avoid tears. I never did it and had a second degree tear with a few stitches but honestly merk? Try not to worry about it too much. The main thing is having baby and mum safe so these things won't matter in the long run. I never followed this advice though and worried myself sick about labour
Thund it will be you soon asking about poo colours!!! And have you decided whether to breast feed or not?gringrin - oh and did I tell you there will be a baby soon!!!!!!! gringringringrin

I haven't measured but I am worried grin

Are we all being quiet because we're off measuring our perineums? grin grin

Cavort Tue 29-Oct-13 22:22:27

I did perineal massage daily in the shower from about 36 weeks (Mothercare sell a Perineal Massage Oil if cooking oil in the fanjo isn't your thing grin). No idea if it worked as I ended up having an episiotomy for a forceps delivery, but I was casually chatting to the Consultant who delivered Elodie as she was stitching me up (as you do - god bless the epidural) and told her I was disappointed that I hadn't got to find out if the perineal massage had worked and she told me that, in her opinion, it didn't make much difference. angry

Tallyra Wed 30-Oct-13 00:05:21

this pregnancy lark is odd. everyone talks about such weird stuff! wink

Heh, love a good perineal convo! There isn't much evidence for massage but I shall be doing it nonetheless, can't do any harm..I had no idea you could get dedicated perineum oil, for some reason that's made me giggle. Probably the thought of nonchalantly plonking a bottle down at the till and daring the cashier to comment...

I read that hot compresses in the latter stages of labour seem to help. Now just need to find a midwife who agrees!

BlindKitty Wed 30-Oct-13 07:04:57

And water births! Still trying to convince dh on that one! Well girls, been awake last 4 hours grrr . Really want to call in sick but chairing a meeting this morning and then teaching this afternoon. I need a holiday!

Oh yeah lol give me five months and I'll lead the poo talk. Not til then though- hopefully anyway smile

Doesn't seem convincing evidence about perineal massage then? Youch.

I'm still worrying about having a live healthy baby, rather than the details that go with that. I wonder if that is going to change at some point?

Thunder I think we probably all still worry about that. I actually got myself in a bit of a state yesterday having made the public announcement that we're updiffed, for some reason I feel like I'm tempting fate by telling everyone. Am a superstitious nightmare sometimes..

Have to go to work until 3, then drive to new work to go through the paperwork and stuff with my ward manager. Loooong day ahead, roll on 6 o'clock bathtime!

Tallyra Wed 30-Oct-13 08:17:18

doubtful thunder grin I'm still at the amazed it got this far stage.

BelissimaLol Wed 30-Oct-13 08:30:12

Thund your way is much better than my obsessive one!!!! I'm sure your perfectly healthy baby will just pop out with no pain and no tears gringringrin
Tally I spent 38 weeks in the amazed stage haha!
How's everyone sex lives by the waywinkwink? Mine disappeared whilst pg and since baby was born as I did not want dh anywhere near my sore boobs or fat belly!!

Pah lol it will be horrific I'm sure! But in for a penny and all that.... I am trying to find pg yoga here as I know that can help.

Sex life, wot sex life?

Cavort Wed 30-Oct-13 09:57:50

Thunder the birth experience seems to be a bit of an unpredictable lottery so I personally figured there was no point fretting about it when it might not actually be that bad, so I think you have the right attitude. Yes there will be some pain, but some women genuinely find it an enjoyable and empowering pain and others can barely cope and you really don't know which camp you'll end up in so why worry. The only certainty about labour is that you will instantly forget about any pain the second they put your baby on your chest and it will all seem totally worth it.

Yup, the riveting baby poo convo, always a good one. grin When I first got pregnant I naively always used to see the next milestone as the one where I could relax a bit more. Well, the bad news ladies is that I am still waiting to relax a bit more. The only things that change are the subject matter... I obviously don't have any pg worries oh, the days I spent worrying about getting piles, but that has been replaced by concerns over whether she is eating enough/too much, if I am she is getting enough sleep, the contents of the nappy, etc. It really does appear to be true that we will worry about our little beans until the day we die.

Tallyra Wed 30-Oct-13 10:04:05

I discovered my yoga teacher is happy to adapt his class for me as it's such a small class. so I'm going back next week, yay!
sex life has been non existent as been ill but it might be returning soon smile

Brodicea Wed 30-Oct-13 10:41:51

My mum posted me a load of baby stuff at the weekend - it really made it seem real: there just may be a baby on the way! A real actual baby person shock

Sex life is intermittent, which does unfortunately mean when it does happen it's over pretty quickly!

Tallyra Wed 30-Oct-13 14:57:40

mil just bought me a gorgeous winter cape. she's so excitedgrin

While we are on the subject can somebody please tell me why women get piles during pregnancy. I understand during labour but don't people seem to get them before then??? (Full on fantastic subjects to discuss, me)

BelissimaLol Wed 30-Oct-13 19:31:16

Merk think it's something to do with veins being extra full in order to supply for baby so that also appears in the bum gringrin

It's because venous return is obstructed by the growing weight of the uterus Merk. So pressure builds up and where the blood vessel walls are weakest (sadly, in yer bum, because straining increases the pressure causing weakened walls) they give way and cause haemorrhoids. That's also why some women get varicose veins in their legs/vulva - haemorrhoids are just varicose veins of the bum!

Who would have thought I was such an expert on piles? Anyway, making sure you drink/eat fibre are the best way to avoid them!

My sex life was awesome until last week when MIL came to stay, somehow she seems to have killed the vibe even though she's now gone. Hopefully we'll get back on it soon, although I'm knackered right now and not in the mood..

Tally I saw a beautiful camel cape the other day, it's so sad that I'm so poor that I can't afford to buy it!

Aw brod that's so sweet of your mum. I noticed two baby bouncers in the back of the car today, apparently one of Mr Boom's clients has donated them to us. Eee, real baby stuff!

Cavort Wed 30-Oct-13 21:15:36

Hmm, I'm not 100% sure why Merk, other than to think it's what Lol said. I think piles are basically varicose veins in the bum and some pg women get them in the fanjo as well as obviously in the legs. Lovely shock

Right at the end of my pregnancy I smugly said to my community MW how pleased I was not to have got any piles. Without even looking up from her notes she replied, "You'll get some from the pushing," and carried on writing. And she was right, I did. angry I was absolutely horrified to discover in the shower post-birth. They were gone after a week or so though so not too bad really thank fuck. I think every pg woman should have pile cream in their hospital bag just in case as I think it's very common to get piles from pushing and as much as i'm sure they're not bothered on the postnatal ward, i'm still glad I didn't have to ask for some!

Cavort Wed 30-Oct-13 21:17:08

Cross post Boom but i'm glad someone who actually knows agrees with my bum varicose veins grin

BlindKitty Wed 30-Oct-13 21:41:19

bell we've finally rediscovered 'sex for fun'...I'd forgotten it exists! Oh get this... no need for preseed!!! Tbf though we're only doing it one a week but its enough! Dh loves my new boobs (so do I for that matter lol)

<Makes mental note to buy Anusol>

Incidentally, who the CHUFF thought Anusol was a good brand name?

Just made weird link between kitty's sex life and boom's anusol. <shakes head>

thunder haha I hope not! Too weird...

Beddybyes here. 9hr shift tomorrow, humph.

Boom (or anyone) would there be a reason the top of my uterus is quite a bit higher than expected? Was 1inch below belly button at 16 week midwife appointment but now (19+1) seems to be more than 3 inches above which I don't think is the norm...

Bloody Nora prof you know about everything! I can barely find my belly button- no idea where my uterus is to worry about it... Feel woefully ill equipped!

Nope thunder, you're normal and I am just odd! My midwife told me where it was at 16 weeks (and I'd read some stuff) and now the top seems to be visible as my skin is soft above it and tight over it with a ridge in between. Just wondered whether it was something else to worry about wink

merk are you sure it's your uterus? Hard to self-palpate! trust me, I've tried That said, could be that you're trying to do it in a more upright position,could just be the position of the baby, or there might have been a growth spurt. 19 weeks you 'should' measure approximately to umbilicus, but everyone's different. 3 inches above does seem a lot at this point, do you mean cm? 3 inches above belly button is basically your ribcage!

X-posts merk. If you're just looking, not feeling for your uterus, then probably the bump is caused by your bump pushing various other bits of internal machinery upwards. I really don't think you need to worry but you'll be getting your growth scan soon anyway? Xx

BlindKitty Thu 31-Oct-13 06:40:52

<blissfully ignores all haemorrhoid comments because it will never happen to her....>

boom my haribo belly seems to be getting more prominent. Please say its my uterus pushing it out and not that I'm just getting fatter!

Well made it til 6.30 this morning woop woop! Dh can work away more often! He started his new job this week. He's so excited to be in this 'big boy' job, working for an investment bankers team. Hope he doesn't forget about his non glamorous pregnant wife at home!

Heh kitty bet mr kitty loves you calling it his Big Boy Job grin sure your belly is all baby and nothing to do with haribo!

Dogs woke me at half 6, poked Mr Boom until he grumbled out of bed and took them out. Currently lying here like a beached whale, unable to contemplate getting up for work. Although am starving hungry so might have to make some brekkie...

Mr Boom just got back. Heard some crashing and banging from downstairs, he's just stuck his head round the door:

Him 'There's a decaf and a croissant for you downstairs'
Me 'aw thank you!'
Him (sad face) 'the dog ate mine'
Me <snort with unsympathetic laughter>

katatonic Thu 31-Oct-13 08:13:17

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Haha kat I do that too, find myself rubbing my gut waaay above any baby! My uterus is currently just at my belly button I think although weirdly my bump is still tiny.

katatonic Thu 31-Oct-13 08:56:29

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PuppyMummy Thu 31-Oct-13 09:14:53

<also ignoring talk of piles and perineums> boom your poor oh! our dog is a fat pig but doesn't really steal food! she is thick and just too little to reach to the counter! her nose reaches but she cant lean over! grin

9 weeks for me today! Although were having a nice holiday I hav discovered that time crawls by when not busy! ill be happy for speedy weeks when im back at work next week!

Tallyra Thu 31-Oct-13 12:32:05

I didn't wake up for the loo last night! which is just as well as I'm back ay work for the first time since July today. not much to do now I've cleared my emails though, my colleague is so good at doing my job as well as hers I feel a bit surplus! I'm sure she'll be glad when I take the work back though.

qazxc Thu 31-Oct-13 17:42:38

Still in full zombie mode, DP doesn't mind as it means he gets to watch whatever he wants on telly. grin
Have my trick or treat stash at the ready, am sneakily hoping that not that many kids show up because i am constantly hungry and might need to scoff a few of those milky ways
Have been feeling a bit queezy today, not sure if it's morning sickness or the incessant gorging mentioned above. blush
No swinging from the chandelers here, DP is "too afraid" to do the deed.

BlindKitty Thu 31-Oct-13 18:06:51

qaz I've been working my way through the trick or treaters stash all week! It's taken dh and I 3 months to start up the sex life as we were both scared (and sick to f***ing death of dtd for 2 1/2 years) but feeling much better about it now

boom I think you deserved the croissant / having dogs walked in view of mr boom's bad mood the other day!

puppy are you back? Have you had a good hol?

qazxc Thu 31-Oct-13 18:11:59

Aha my trick or treat stash has grown! DP is back from work and works in a cash and carry, we now have enough sweets to keep all kids on the estate bouncing of the walls for a month! grin

BlindKitty Thu 31-Oct-13 18:22:25

qaz no one has even knocked yet (thank god)

qazxc Thu 31-Oct-13 18:27:47

DP seems miffed that nobody has knocked yet and is contemplating texting our mates down the street to ask them to bring their kids up. hmm

katatonic Thu 31-Oct-13 20:40:39

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PuppyMummy Thu 31-Oct-13 21:47:49

kitty still away. back Sat. hav wifi so keeping an eye on the thread!

your post about sex made me laugh! me and oh are also enjoying time out after so long just doing it cos we 'had to'!! grin

BlindKitty Fri 01-Nov-13 06:30:49

kat I think we're just so pleased we've got over it all! Oh and 'everything but' is better anyway wink

puppy pre-insemination we were banned from dtd (in case they overstimulate). The nurse laughed when she saw how relieved we were haha! Hope you're having a fab time!

Urgh, am shattered this morning despite going to bed at 9.30. Can't face the day and not sure how I'm going to survive 7 hours back to back of meetings. Have decided to work from home but haven't even managed to make it out of bed yet. Roll on 5pm when I am going straight to bed for more sleep! If anyone sees the book/midwife that said energy my levels would be higher in the second tri then please give them a slap

Tallyra Fri 01-Nov-13 09:30:02

oh honey, I'm with you too. just had breakfast and got back into bed cos I was too cold, woke up an hour later and had to run out of the house to make my mw appt.

qazxc Fri 01-Nov-13 09:48:58

our friends down the street arrived unprompted. their youngest is too young for choc (only a month old) but their two year old has walked away with as much crisps and sweets as she could carry. grin
We then had a few more knocks at the door but still seem to have as much chocolate as willy wonka. Sadly i can't eat it as morning sickness has surfaced, which perversely i am quite enjoying as it makes me feel "more pregnant" IYKWIM. Am getting really impatient for the scan on monday now.

qazxc Fri 01-Nov-13 09:50:54

merkin I feel your pain with the tiredness, i count the hours til i can crawl back into bed but then have such weird dreams i keep waking.

BelissimaLol Fri 01-Nov-13 11:10:42

I was the same with the tiredness. Dh loved it as he had a few weekends of constant xbox playing while I dozed off! Enjoy it until the insomnia kicks in grin

Gave in (to laziness) and have take the day off... Have got 2 meetings I have to run at 11.30 and 2 but other than that I will be sleeping and eating hula hoops

Tallyra Fri 01-Nov-13 11:24:21

Yay! 16w mw appt done. no problems. and nuchal prob came back as 1:10124. grin
having a good look at my noted and see as I'm down as high risk tho.

Good news Tally. Why are you high risk? Did you get your flu jan btw?

Foodylicious Fri 01-Nov-13 12:49:22

Thats a bit confusing Tally? good result but high risk - do they say why?

Also has anyone else been almost permanently congested? Its like i have a cold the entire time!

<waves to everyone, really tired and have cotton wool brain, sorry>

qazxc Fri 01-Nov-13 12:49:38

Ah happy your scan went well tallyra

Tallyra Fri 01-Nov-13 13:23:14

I think I'm high risk because of the mcs and hyperemesis, as it was in there before those results came back.

Tallyra Fri 01-Nov-13 13:23:56

yes, flu jab done last week. then I went and got a horrible cold that's only just going away.

Think the Conjestion is normal as your body producing lots of mucus.

qazxc Fri 01-Nov-13 15:25:03

Damn it had to have an intensely embarrassing conversation with the recruitment guy telling him i was pregnant and didn't feel i could give my all to the job. Don't think he quite understood as he said "so you're turning it down! Ok then, get well soon!" confused blush

Evening folks. Budge up on the Futon of Fatigue, I need to crash somewhere - knackered!

tally excellent results! Wouldn't worry about high risk, they love high-risk-ing everyone these days hmm. My 16wk is on Thursday, will be my last community mw appt sad such a shame I'm going to miss out on seeing my profession at work from the other side!

qaz well done being offered the job, shame he didn't understand why you didn't want it!

foody I think the congestion has to do with pregnancy hormones affecting your blood vessels and like Merk says your mucus production. It's called rhinitis of pregnancy, annoying but normal!

Well I've had a successful day, found a moses basket for £8 in charity shop (BARGAIN), then went to hospital to have a grovel with my ward manager about being knocked up, get my rota sorted, order maternity uniform grin and get ID badge printed. Now crashed on the sofa eating all the trick or treat sweeties. Also my brother and sister have offered to club together to buy me a double buggy for Christmas (lawyer and banker, so I don't feel too bad getting an extravagant pressie from them even though they'll probably get a Terry's Chocolate Orange from me ) so it would appear that I'm starting to accumulate actual baby stuff! Exciting scary !

boom you've had an amazing day! I'm still in bed hmm

thunder dunno if you have time to stop in and read but hope everything is going well and cake turned out fabulously too

qazxc Fri 01-Nov-13 17:34:32

glad you had a good day boom. Wish i could munch on sweets but i feel pukey, which i'm strangely happy about although i'm guessing THAT won't last

Ooooh I had no idea that time had come around so quickly! thunderpants hope all is going smoothly and wishing you a fanbloodytastic, er, party tomorrow grin thanks

BlindKitty Fri 01-Nov-13 19:32:16

Omg is thunders 'party' tomorrow?! Have a fab day!!!

Nothing interesting to report here! Just looking forward to a bit of eastenders...has she killed her or not?!?!

Brodicea Fri 01-Nov-13 19:35:43

Wow what a day boom - I second that congrats tally!

I had my flu jab today and my arm is all hurty (wimp!).

In other news, my hip (I had thought it was my bum cheek) reeeally hurts. Went to the Drs and they said I should go to the midwife to get a proper preggers-specific physic appointment. I just can't get used to the idea that I should go to the midwife about stuff... I bought myself one of those special pregnant lady pillows and sadly enough I kind of can't wait to go to bed and check it out. So rock and roll these days!

Brodicea Fri 01-Nov-13 19:36:26

Also boom inspired by your charity shop buy - I've been fantasy buying over the internet, but the imaginary bill soon mounts up!

Brodicea Fri 01-Nov-13 19:37:05

Oh and I've been looking at Swedish baby clothes polarnopyret.co.uk

BlindKitty Fri 01-Nov-13 19:50:47

I've been buying stuff for weeks! Mostly clothes when I've seen them reduced! The way I see it, I have so many presents to buy (6 friends before me popping em out!) I'm just buying stuff when I seem it cheap and if I end up keeping anything then so be it!

Brod will be checking out your link. Can you report back on pillow as I'm thinking about buying one. I'm pretty lax when it comes to money but £40+ for a pillow stopped me in my tracks! Assume you've got one of the loooong sausage ones?

Tallyra Fri 01-Nov-13 20:11:04

what's so special about the pillow? I don't understand what it's needed for yet.

Brodicea Fri 01-Nov-13 20:36:57

I bought a 'theraline maternity pillow' from amazon it is indeed a long sausage (boomerang type shape), mainly because my hip has been so darned uncomfortable at night and Dr Google tells me that using one of these pillows might help. I have been using a cushion between my knees (which is much cheaper) but I tend to wake up to find I have ejected it in the night www.mumsnet.com/Talk/pregnancy/a1394420-is-it-worth-forking-out-on-a-pregnancy-sleep-pillow-if-so-what-one-shall-i-buy
I probably would have tried to seek something cheaper, but I just got a very late birthday present on cash and this was my treat (sad!).

Kitty you sound like a pro, I dig your shopping skills!

I want a pillow! Keep waking up flat on my back and short of breath. They're bloody expensive though. Back to the charity shops! tally they support your bump and legs and stop you rolling onto your back.

brod boo about the hurty bum/hip - yeah get a physio appt booked, they sometimes take a long time to go through! I have self-diagnosed with bernhardt-roth syndrome of pregnancy tonight - ie my thigh has gone numb. It doesn't hurt but it's really annoying. Thanks for the link too, I'll be having a quick flick through that tonight!

Kitty not an enders fan here, but I say she killed her whomsoever she and her may be

BlindKitty Fri 01-Nov-13 20:39:41

brod planning on going a bit mad in the Christmas sales!!!!

Brodicea Fri 01-Nov-13 20:43:43

I think people with non-painful hips only resort to these once they have a big uncomfortable bump.

Brodicea Fri 01-Nov-13 20:44:56

Oh dear boom - sounds annoying.

Good work kitty keep us posted on your bargains!

BlindKitty Sat 02-Nov-13 06:44:50

brod well actually I might take a leaf out of boom's book and do a bit of charity shop shopping!

katatonic Sat 02-Nov-13 08:12:04

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BlindKitty Sat 02-Nov-13 09:29:17

kat my mum made me laugh the other day. She was like 'is there anything else you still need to buy' (I'm 11+3!). 'Erm everything lol' hmm. She then proceeded to tell me how she'd practically bought everything by the time she was at my stage! Oh and pretty sure she mentioned how she conceived me in the first month (again) as I've clearly not heard that story before...

boom apologies for using you like my personal midwife! However have a question... I'm sitting reading the paper this morning and feeling quite breathless. I had this once during the week when I wasn't doing anything too but just ignored it. It's not liked am gasping for breath, just that I can't get enough air in iyswim, a little bit like the very beginning of an asthma attack (but I haven't had asthma since I was a child). Should I be worried or is this normal?

Tallyra Sat 02-Nov-13 10:35:37

meek, is that with your heart booming in your throat? I've had that a few times and my ex gp mum says it's perfectly normal, but I have never had asthma so I wouldn't take it as gospel from me.

No my heart rate and everything feels fine, I just can't get enough air in. It's probably been an hour now, still the same. I'm getting a tiny bit worried

Also has everybody else's body hair stopped growing? I'm barely having to shave my legs at all! Bonus except for the fact it seems I'm stuck with the results of my over enthusiastic bikini wax for a while

Tallyra Sat 02-Nov-13 11:19:07

it sounds a little worrying to me. can you call 111 or something?

I suspect its fine (googling suggests breathlessness is normal in pregnancy, I just didn't expect it when I'm not moving around). Suspect 111 would send me to hospital/doctor/midwife and I really don't want anything on me that raises my risk level if I can help it as I'm so keen for a home birth or MLU. I know that's stupid!

Tallyra Sat 02-Nov-13 11:23:15

or just phone your midwife if it doesn't go? I'm sure it's fine though.

Tallyra Sat 02-Nov-13 11:33:34

I had the weirdest dream last night. I had about 7 kids between about 5 and 15, but I knew it was a dream and didn't know a single thing about the kids or my house. disturbing, seeing as we've pretty much decided this is our only one.

Foodylicious Sat 02-Nov-13 12:02:41

merk my sister had this in her last pg, woke up in the night really breathless - turned out she was quite anemic, did not need to go to hospital or anything but her MW/DR gave her extra iron tablets and it sorted her right out!
Give your surgery a ring and ask who is available for advice!

Could I still have low iron if I'm taking pregnacare every day?

Foodylicious Sat 02-Nov-13 12:19:04

yep!

Foodylicious Sat 02-Nov-13 12:26:07

This has alot of iron rich food ideas so ger some steak and green veg, mmm
www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/spotlight-high-iron

BlindKitty Sat 02-Nov-13 16:07:22

merk anaemia was first thing thing I thought of too actually. Have you had your levels checked? In meantime, plenty of meat (especially red), leafy veg, fortified cereal, nuts, etc. avoid tea with meals (inc caffeine free) and drink vit c rich drinks which will aid absorption. Iron in food is generally absorbed better than vitamin tablets as meant to have better 'bioavailabily'

PoppySeedBun Sat 02-Nov-13 18:07:42

Hello everyone,

Sorry - no help on breathlessness. I've been getting it loads, but only when I go up stairs (even a small number of stairs) or do anything vaguely strenuous.

On the shopping front, we haven't moved a muscle. My MIL is convinced we won't be even slightly prepared, but my mum didn't buy anything at all until about 3 wks before she was due with me, so she's entirely relaxed grin
That swedish baby clothes site is very sweet though.

LOL at the Futon of Fatigue BTW - that's where I've been spending the day! Feel bad for DH. Even though I've been going to work most days, I've spent pretty much every weekend at home on the sofa the entire time. Not much fun for him (although he's getting to spend some quality time in his garage, which he does like).

Foodylicious Sat 02-Nov-13 18:09:26

Quiet in here today, you just must all lead such interesting lives!
(compared to mine, currently living a la sofa)

8 wks today hmm

Make room for one more....

PuppyMummy Sat 02-Nov-13 19:08:25

ooh ooh ohh <rushes to other thread to see who> how exciting.

im home, miserable chilly weather! I'm getting fat! really need to try and modify the eating!

Tallyra Sat 02-Nov-13 21:18:04

two more!!

Tallyra Sat 02-Nov-13 21:20:20

I'm glad I'm not hiding my pg. I look ridiculously different these last 2 weeks. bump growing. books growing, face bloody growing. I know. its because I keep eating but really, its such a difference anyone who hasn't seen me since before I got sick will figure it out straight away!

Tallyra Sat 02-Nov-13 21:20:59

boobs, not books!

Just seen baby kicking/punching through my bump!!

Quodlibet Sun 03-Nov-13 00:50:04

Merkin try Spatone sachets to boost iron levels. I think mine were dropping as i was also getting tired/breathless/faint on occasions. Might be coincidence but started taking Spatone and it had gone within a week and energy levels much better.

BlindKitty Sun 03-Nov-13 07:44:21

<gets kettle on and the chopper warmed up>

qazxc Sun 03-Nov-13 08:22:01

merkin how exciting! I'm really looking forward to feeling baby move. Scan tomorrow and am on tenterhooks.
I am not even looking at baby stuff until 13 weeks, don't want to tempt fate. But SIL is due in december and DP has plenty of cousins who told him that they had plenty of stuff left over from their DC's that they are not going to use as they are not having any more, so hopefully i won't have to buy too much.
still nauseated and my boobs are growing to the size of watermelons!

<Stepping in to the helicopter nervously>
Hello everyone, I see there are some non-berries here as well. I'm Lady, 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Just had my first cycle of IVF and it looks like it worked, although I won't officially know until Tuesday. Still doesn't seem real!

Welcome in lady, great to have you and great that you arrive at the same time as somebody else so you have somebody of a similar stage to you.
There was such a dry patch of BFPs for so long after I joined the berries (only mother) for over 7 months that all of these are so nice!
Oh and not only can I see and feel baby kicking/punching my tummy this morn, we could also see her pushing the Doppler away and moving it! She's quite strong it seems. And she has swapped ends again, has been head on the right all week but is wad on the left again now!

Wad?? Back

<slips in behind lady, v nervously>

Hello everyone, I've been on the berries thread for a couple of months and just got a bfp yesterday. Bit about me: Feather, 34, ttc since sept 2011, finally got a bfp on round 6 of clomid, 150mg.

Yes, it will be good to have someone at a similar stage, you all seem so far along already! Pregnancy paranoia has already set in, DH made his usual super hot curry and as I was eating it I remembered the old wives' tale about curry inducing labour. I googled hot curry and miscarriage and couldn't find anything to link them but I just couldn't face eating it anymore!

We all know the paranoia well... It doesn't get any better.
Perhaps we should have a new list for the sake of two new BFPs....

Feather, 34, ttc since sept 2011, finally got a bfp on round 6 of clomid, 150mg. Bfp 2nd Nov

Lady, 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Just had my first cycle of IVF and it looks like it worked, although I won't officially know until Tuesday. Bfp 31st Oct

Merkin, edd 25 March, 19+6 today, team pink.

Tallyra Sun 03-Nov-13 09:23:56

oh merkin I'm so jealous! I'm desperate to feel movement at the moment. dh woke up this morning and put hi hand there to see if anything moved but I think baby was asleep. haven't actually noticed anything yet.

Tallyra Sun 03-Nov-13 09:25:24

and welcome lady and feather!

Tally, 16w, edd 17th April.

Tally I've been desperate too! It's a weird feeling though. I'm blown away by the fact she can move my skin! I don't think it had dawned on my she's not just a bunch of cells anymore!

Fresh meat! Congratulations feather and lady, I'll shift up on the futon <shuffles over slightly but not too far from the biscuits>

Merk sorry to miss your posts yesterday, was at a hen do. The others have said what I'd say though, it's probably totally normal but get your mw to check your iron, eat lots of iron rich foods and call mw or gp if it seems to be getting worse! If it makes you better I actually woke Mr Boom up panting from the exertion of walking up two flights of stairs to get to bed when I got in last night..

Jealous of your movements! I can hear the babies moving around on doppler so I know they're up to gymnastics, but two anterior placentas means I'm unlikely to see or feel them for a while yet sad. Can't wait for the day it happens!

Congrats on 8 weeks Foody grin 16wks here today, next mw appt on Thurs I think.. Ooh scan tomorrow qaz, hope it goes well and that you post pics straight away for merk's gender prediction

Weird dream tally - I never know I'm dreaming at all, I'm obviously a gullible fool in my sleep. Sometimes it takes me several minutes after I wake up to realise that the totally impossible events I dreamt about weren't true!

Mr Boom and I have got date day today - think we're going for lunch, cinema and then out for another meal tonight so I don't have to do any shopping/cooking. Eeeee I'm spoilt grin. Good job we have lots of vouchers!

qazxc Sun 03-Nov-13 09:54:19

boom if merk can predict the gender at 7+1, we should ask her to pick out lottery numbers. grin

Hi feather and lady I'm only in the early stages too, 7 weeks today and getting my first scan tomorrow.

Thanks Boom
Prefer pics via fb for gender prediction as they're so small on here its impossible to see them!
Anyone not yet on fb who wants to join the (very secret, nobody else can see you're part of it) group should PM somebody on here
I may start a gender prediction spreadsheet...

Can't remember what you said I was having now merk...two girls I think? I still say Chickenlegs is a boy grin

katatonic Sun 03-Nov-13 10:08:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Pm me your Facebook full name (and a clue to what your profile pic looks like) and I will get you added

kat I've sent you a friend request. Once we're friends on fb I can add you to the group (and then you can unfriend me)

Merk is this the normal secret group or is there another secret group for pregnant ones? I haven't seen any scan pics on there!

Hi qazxc, is your early scan due to fertility treatment as well or is this a private scan? Good luck with it!

There's another secret group for pregnant (and those who have already dropped their babies) ones so we can put up scan/baby photos without (rightly) getting stabbed by those who haven't graduated yet

katatonic Sun 03-Nov-13 12:14:05

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Foodylicious Sun 03-Nov-13 12:29:46

For the list

Feather, 34, ttc since sept 2011, finally got a bfp on round 6 of clomid, 150mg. Bfp 2nd Nov

Lady, 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Just had my first cycle of IVF and it looks like it worked, although I won't officially know until Tuesday. Bfp 31st Oct

Merkin, edd 25 March, 19+6 today, team pink.

Tally, 16w, edd 17th April.

Boom, 16wks

Foody, 8wks

ooh feather & lady so glad you have joined us. Plenty of room on the couch of comfort onceIshiftmyfatarseupabit grin

MotherOfCleo Sun 03-Nov-13 13:12:34

Just nipping in to say congrats to the new grads on their bfps!!!! grin So chuffed for you all!

Kay yep you're in the right group

Is boom around?

Kat not Kay

qazxc Sun 03-Nov-13 14:16:23

lady it's an early scan at EPU because i've had 3 miscarriages in the past 2 years. I'm really hoping it's good news and that this pg is viable.

qazxc sorry to hear about your MCs, hope everything goes well tomorrow.

Qaz what time is your scan? Knowing saves me from checking for updates every couple of mins

qazxc Sun 03-Nov-13 14:32:59

scan in the morning, you lot will all be the first to know well apart from DP cause he'll be there

Foodylicious Sun 03-Nov-13 15:08:55

I have emailed work re meeting up one afternoon next week.
My sick note is until the 11th, but I want to see my boss about arranging to see occy health before then if I can to discuss what are reasonable adjustment and how they would consider having me back. Still being sick 1-4 times in the morning and pretty tired alot of the time but need to get to get back to work.
I have since caved and booked a private scan for tomorrow evening. Keep panicking its all gone wrong. I know the reassurance wont last for long, but fx if everything is ok it might help a bit. I was hoping to hold out a bit longer because money is really tight and the 11-14 week scan is soo far away.

Good luck qazxc x

PoppySeedBun Sun 03-Nov-13 15:14:36

Welcome Lady and Feather! Congrats to both of you, and good luck for the days and weeks ahead.

Foody, qaz good luck for scans tomorrow - here's hoping they bring you a bit of peace of mind and reassurance.

merk have also taken the plunge re: FB - have sent you a PM.

Adding myself to the list:

Feather, 34, ttc since sept 2011, finally got a bfp on round 6 of clomid, 150mg. Bfp 2nd Nov

Lady, 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Just had my first cycle of IVF and it looks like it worked, although I won't officially know until Tuesday. Bfp 31st Oct

Merkin, edd 25 March, 19+6 today, team pink.

Tally, 16w, edd 17th April.

Boom, 16wks

Poppy, 34, 15+4 wks, EDD 23 April

Foody, 8wks

Brodicea Sun 03-Nov-13 15:55:17

Nipping in quickly to add myself to the list!

Feather, 34, ttc since sept 2011, finally got a bfp on round 6 of clomid, 150mg. Bfp 2nd Nov

Lady, 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Just had my first cycle of IVF and it looks like it worked, although I won't officially know until Tuesday. Bfp 31st Oct

Merkin, edd 25 March, 19+6 today, team pink.

Tally, 16w, edd 17th April.

Boom, 16wks

Poppy, 34, 15+4 wks, EDD 23 April

Foody, 8wks

Brodicea, 33, TTC since September 2012, 14 weeks!

qazxc Sun 03-Nov-13 16:31:05

Also nipping in to add myself to the list!

Feather, 34, ttc since sept 2011, finally got a bfp on round 6 of clomid, 150mg. Bfp 2nd Nov

Lady, 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Just had my first cycle of IVF and it looks like it worked, although I won't officially know until Tuesday. Bfp 31st Oct

Merkin, edd 25 March, 19+6 today, team pink.

Tally, 16w, edd 17th April.

Boom, 16wks

Poppy, 34, 15+4 wks, EDD 23 April

Foody, 8wks

Brodicea, 33, TTC since September 2012, 14 weeks!

qazxc, 35, ttc jan 2012, 3mc, 7 weeks

Thanks for all your lovely wishes for tomorrows scan, they are very much appreciated. thanks

PuppyMummy Sun 03-Nov-13 16:58:12

pls can someone add me to list. on phone - im 9 weeks

bought some xmas lights today! festive! I love xmas!

Brodicea Sun 03-Nov-13 18:19:25

Oo qaz how exciting - let us know how it goes!

puppy coloured or not-coloured?

I'm here now merk, what can I do you for? x

PuppyMummy Sun 03-Nov-13 18:33:29

white, star shaped to go in the front window, its like a net type design with stars hanging from it!

I prefer white lights to coloured ones although I do have some red 'holly' lights which go on the kitchen windowsill! grin

Tallyra Sun 03-Nov-13 18:50:28

ditto puppy, we mostly have white lights with a few blue and some red berries too. we're not fond of over the top colours.

The blue ones make my eyes go funny!

~paranoid question alert~ boom how would I tell if my waters were leaking?

Ps I will send you flowers and chocolates once I give birth in payment for your midwifery services!

BlindKitty Sun 03-Nov-13 19:17:57

<slides in behind feather and lady and bolts door>

Everyone in here knows full well how scary this all is and we're excellent at handholding smile

merk fab news re moving- very jealous!

qaz good luck for tomorrow (not that you need it)

Now can someone please hold my hand. Starting to freak out a bit about 12 week scan on wed confused

BlindKitty Sun 03-Nov-13 19:27:00

foody my 7 week scan has kept me sane until now (11+4) so I think it's worth it!

Feather, 34, ttc since sept 2011, finally got a bfp on round 6 of clomid, 150mg. Bfp 2nd Nov

Lady, 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Just had my first cycle of IVF and it looks like it worked, although I won't officially know until Tuesday. Bfp 31st Oct

Merkin, edd 25 March, 19+6 today, team pink.
Tally, 16w, edd 17th April.
Boom, 16wks
Poppy, 34, 15+4 wks, EDD 23 April
Foody, 8wks
Brodicea, 33, TTC since September 2012, 14 weeks!
qazxc, 35, ttc jan 2012, 3mc, 7 weeks
Puppy 9 weeks
Kitty 33 12 week scan wed

Merk put a pad on. Liquor is clear/straw-coloured and will leak constantly, you're unlikely to just have one little dribble and that's it. It's most likely that you've either got some watery discharge or <ahem> have wee'd yourself a bit. I would maybe pop down to delivery suite if you're worried (with said pad on so they can check it), they can do a speculum which will show them whether there's any liquor pooling by your cervix. Liquor does have a distinctive smell but you'd need to be familiar with it. Nagging questions: Have you had any cramping at all? Have you called your MW? What's happened to make you think you might be leaking?

kitty no fear! It's going to be great! Did you have an early scan or is this the first ever? flowers

Sheesh - 12 weeks is such a long time to keep my mouth shut. Had lunch with my bf today and was dying to tell her. Feel guilty keeping it secret!

Hope you're ok merk x

qaz good luck tomorrow!

sorry boom got pinteresting and distracted...

This happened twice today... sat in the car for an hour, got out to walk around and a few minutes later i felt decidedly damp. The second time i'd been to the loo immediately after getting out of the car so i'd be surprised if it was wee. And i've had plenty of CM for weeks now, but it seems more watery and runny and <ahem> gushy than that. Whatever it is it smells like sperm (yes I have no shame, and i know you have all just sniggered reading that grin)

No cramps, no to ringing midwife, am pretty certain im just being paranoid and its just my already abundant CM going up another gear

Kitty what are you worrying about?

BlindKitty Mon 04-Nov-13 06:55:28

merk just keep thinking there will be something wrong, know I'm prob being silly. I've been fine until yesterday confused. The discharge thing is very annoying isn't it? Mostly because I always think the worst when actually the worst thing is that my knickers are wet!

feather i had a scan at 7 weeks and it was fine!

foody/qaz good luck for today. What times are your scans?

qazxc Mon 04-Nov-13 07:56:59

scan at 9.30. am in full scale panic mode. have not stopped having dreams about them finding a missed miscarriage or a non viable pregnancy. Am really hoping it is me being paranoid and that i will see a perfectly formed sac with something in it and a heartbeat. although i don't think i will stop being nervous til the first trimester is behind me

Qaz everything crossed for you. Not too much longer to wait now x

PoppySeedBun Mon 04-Nov-13 08:08:05

qaz good luck for your scan. You know that the odds are on it all being fine, but I know that doesn't stop the worrying paranoia.

foody good luck for yours too
And kitty hang on in there - it'll be Weds before you know it, and we'll all be waiting for backwards/pirate/boxing scan pics with baited breath!

Hello my friends, had a bit of a busy weekend so have a bit to catch up with but I've got a day off work so am on catch up!

Lovely re movement merk, I am also feeling little nudges now. I also have an anterior placenta so I know it's less than its could be but I really love it. Looking forward to them getting stronger and more definite- at the moment I usually only clock them a while after they've happened.

Welcome lady and feather flowers

So good luck for scan today qaz and is it weds for merk and kitty. Will do list now....

Feather, 34, ttc since sept 2011, finally got a bfp on round 6 of clomid, 150mg. Bfp 2nd Nov

Lady, 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Just had my first cycle of IVF and it looks like it worked, although I won't officially know until Tuesday. Bfp 31st Oct

Merkin, edd 25 March, 19+6 today, team pink.
Tally, 16w, edd 17th April.
Boom, 16wks
Poppy, 34, 15+4 wks, EDD 23 April
Foody, 8wks
Brodicea, 33, TTC since September 2012, 14 weeks!
qazxc, 35, ttc jan 2012, 3mc, 7 weeks
Puppy 9 weeks
Kitty 33 12 week scan wed
Thunder 34, 20+4 edd 20th March

Angelina77 Mon 04-Nov-13 09:23:29

Hi all, checking in today as I've got my first midwife appt today (excited). I've also got a 7wk scan booked for Thursday which I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to/dreading.

Having a rough time really, dreadful nausea and headaches, and damn recurring uti has returned sad

Feather, 34, ttc since sept 2011, finally got a bfp on round 6 of clomid, 150mg. Bfp 2nd Nov

Lady, 34, TTC since Jan 2012. Just had my first cycle of IVF and it looks like it worked, although I won't officially know until Tuesday. Bfp 31st Oct

Merkin, edd 25 March, 19+6 today, team pink.
Tally, 16w, edd 17th April.
Boom, 16wks
Poppy, 34, 15+4 wks, EDD 23 April
Foody, 8wks
Brodicea, 33, TTC since September 2012, 14 weeks!
qazxc, 35, ttc jan 2012, 3mc, 7 weeks
Puppy 9 weeks
Kitty 33 12 week scan wed
Thunder 34, 20+4 edd 20th March
Angelina 36, 6+4, edd 28th June, ttc Jan 13, 2 mc

MotherOfCleo Mon 04-Nov-13 10:05:22

Angel I am a fellow uti/cystitis sufferer, never had it before getting pregnant. I found that by drinking 1.5-2 litres a day of watered down cranberry juice I can at least keep it at bay. Just thought I'd share my coping strategy in the hope it might help someone else. Hope you feel better soon!

Exciting re the scan too!

Brodicea Mon 04-Nov-13 10:13:04

angel sorry to hear about the UTI! Let us know how the scan goes.

I've come here to rant a bit about my bloomin step mother (although she's so close to my age I usually refer to her as my dad's wife). She's a rep for Juice Plus and has been spamming me ceaselessly about the 'benefits' to pregnant ladies. She sent me an introductory stash of the stuff in the post over the weekend, and has sent me FOUR emails TODAY with links to videos and other crap about it. It's basically snake oil with minimal benefit (claims to cram in some ridiculous amount of fruit and veg into a single tablet..) - if you take it with a normal prenatal vitamin you get waaay too much Vit A which is bad for you, but if you take it instead you miss out on the other shizz in prenatal vits like iron etc. really not sure how to politely tell her I'm not interested - she's like an evangelist about the bloody stuff! I really am tempted to sell the lot on ebay. Grr!

Brodicea Mon 04-Nov-13 10:16:00

Oh and merk how is the weird liquid this morning?

Angelina77 Mon 04-Nov-13 10:38:34

Thanks. I'm drinking a lot more water these days but I think it's my bowel movements (or lack of) that's bringing it on. TMI alert: I don't seem to be able to empty my bladder fully when I'm backed up so it sits there festering blush

The GP gave me a lifetime supply of Fybogel bit it makes me feel sick.

brodicea your SM sounds unbearable, maybe you'll have to pretend to take them just to shut her up.

Brodicea Mon 04-Nov-13 10:50:35

Angel oh dear, I am a long term pre-pregnancy constipation sufferer. I swear it was linked to my tendency to get thrush too sometimes. I was given Lactulose (I think I had it just as a few drops in a large drink?) when it got really bad, and I think you can take it when preggers so see if your Dr recommends that instead. The other thing that helped was raising my feet while sitting on the loo (little foot stool - fnar), eating loads of brown pasta with lots of water and loads of veggies - but this is all easy to say, when you're feeling sick it can be hard to eat anything 'good'. I followed the advice in Kathryn Marsden's 'Good Gut Healing' which is now referred to in my house as the poo book.

She did offer to pay for them throughout pregnancy (But I suspect then be pressured to become a rep in turn) so I am seriously tempted to just sell them on ebay and make a bit of cash! I'd feel super guilty about that though confused, I am pissed off about being given the hard sell!

Angelina77 Mon 04-Nov-13 11:02:49

I definitely need a poo book grin
Thanks, I'll see about the Lactulose. Diet-wise, all good intentions are out of the window for now, but when I feel better I'll be eating better.

News from Qaz??? Sorry to ignore everyone else, v busy at work but worrying at having no update from her

qazxc Mon 04-Nov-13 12:02:26

Sorry merk the EPU was running v late. The results of scan are inconclusive, there is a yolk sac and it is in the right spot but small for my dates and she couldn't seem to get a proper view of foetal mass. So They are rescanning me in two weeks. So on the plus side the pregnancy might still be viable, and hopefully i just ovulated late which is why we didn't see what we were hoping to see. So i'm still very much in the limbo category.

Remind me how far you are Qaz? We're your last mc missed? Poor you, a hellish 2 week wait, how are you feeling? On the positive side it is not bad news, and that can only be a good thing at this stage. Hugs and a hand to hold, everything crossed for this one to hang on and grow x

Brodicea Mon 04-Nov-13 12:50:18

qaz - just to nip in and second what merkin said - it's not bad news, and 7 weeks is very early. I'm hating the limbo for you though xxxx

Oh qaz more limbo, you poor thing! What the others said, early scans are a tricky business. We're here for two weeks of handholding xxx

Merk sorry for failure to respond, am a terrible MN-midwife. (unless I did respond? Can't scroll back now. I probably wrote a response and didn't send it, my usual trick..) Anyway sounds like you are just a prolific producer of vaginal discharge, at least you'll keep the pantyliner folk in business! And no, of course I didn't chuckle at the sperm smell <fnar fnar fnar>

Brod heh at your poo book. Lactulose is indeed fine in pg, mw or dr should be able to get you a prescription sorted angelina. And I know what you mean about not being able to wee when you're bunged up, definitely a fellow sufferer here! I'd tell your SM that you showed the info to your mw (I will be your midwife for the purposes of not lying) and she said they don't recommend it (we don't). Sorted.

Foodylicious Mon 04-Nov-13 14:06:45

merk you had any more breathlessness??

qaz fx for you x x

brod you are right not to be drawn into the supplements with your SM. There are so many websites out there claiming to give you genuine information, but they are just marketing websites, not info from published studies. Sadly many people are drawn into them. I had a really lengthy conversation with my brother who lives in Taiwan recently - him and his pg wife have been totally convinced by some stuff they had read about a supplement, with him repeatedly quoting 'facts' at me and saying he had read the same in lots of places. He got quite defensive when I pointed out the flaws in his 'research'!
Had bugger all sleep and being really sick today sad. Shitting myself about this evenings scan hmm.

foody what time is the scan?

No more breathlessness (or wet knickers) for me today... must be worthy of a celebration!!

Am starting to crap myself about scan on wed though

Foodylicious Mon 04-Nov-13 14:33:11

Thats good merk! I got really breathless at the supermarket last week, was fine walking round but loading and unloading at the checkout was knackering. I have asthma and this is a different sort of breathless. I then nearly lost it at the Mc donalds in store as they did not do what i wanted 2we only have a limited menu, do you want this, this or this?" she said at 60 mph and I could not take it in, whilst trying to think and not cry, and being breathless she just kept going on and on that she could do me a big mac and way i wanted. I nearly just walked out! DID NOT WANT A BIG MAC!
Anyway had a really disappointing chicken burger that tasted funny, so did the chips and the ketchup sad.

Scan is at 6pm, in a clinic upstairs in Mothercare of all places.

qazxc Mon 04-Nov-13 14:36:02

Currently 7 weeks+1
have had 3mc, 2 didn't need intervention, 1 needed an erpc to finish it off.
not nice being in limbo but much nicer than being told it's not viable which what i thought she was going to say when i could see a black hole with nothing in it. Hopefully we'll get to see what we want next time.

qazxc Mon 04-Nov-13 14:38:58

Good luck for your scan foody!

Oh foody your McMeltdown has made me giggle. Sorry. I'm not laughing at you honest

Foodylicious Mon 04-Nov-13 15:31:33

McMeltdown, I love it! tee hee. I might start using that as a phrase to describe anytime I am about to lose it!

Brodicea Mon 04-Nov-13 16:10:59

Oh foody that reminds me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH3JSs0fnGQ at least you didn't get violent! Good luck with the scan!

I might tell my SM that they give me an upset stomach... still haven't answered her spam emails.

Brodicea Mon 04-Nov-13 16:11:15

oops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH3JSs0fnGQ

Brodicea Mon 04-Nov-13 16:12:01

hmm, links not converting: might have to copy and paste it in your browser if you're desperate to see a woman losing it over a lack of McNuggets!

foody hope scan went well.

qaz gosh, the limbo must be hard. Hand in there and remember that the is every chance all is fine. flowers

Told our mums today and both started crying. So sweet. Also rang the fertility clinic and they were thrilled to bits! I'm booked in for a 7 week scan in Monday 25 Nov. Already terrified!

foody...?

Feather aw mums are so cute. It took mine three attempts to understand what I was saying..'you're expecting? Expecting WHAT?' Glad you've got yourself an early scan, gosh not long to wait then!

Foody?

qazxc Mon 04-Nov-13 19:59:52

Just lurking around to see if foody has come in.
grin at boom's mum.

Foodylicious Mon 04-Nov-13 20:00:01

All good here, am out so will catch up later, :-)

qazxc Mon 04-Nov-13 20:01:34

feather great news on early scan, hope time passes quick for you.

qazxc Mon 04-Nov-13 20:02:20

Yay foody so glad all went well. Come back soon and tell all!

Brodicea Mon 04-Nov-13 20:06:13

Yaaayy foody!

Hooray foody! Now I can enjoy my dinner without refreshing the screen every two seconds grin x

PuppyMummy Mon 04-Nov-13 20:29:43

<sheepish>
we gave in and booked an early scan. the stressing finally got too much!

seen dancing bean with heartbeat waving its little arms and legs!! grin grin
Also put me about a week further than I thought so interesting to see if that evens out at the proper dating scan!

Didn't want to mention it in case it was bad news smile

Tallyra Mon 04-Nov-13 20:35:03

yay puppy and foody! good luck qaz, it's hell waiting when you don't have any answers but it sounds like you have every chance of it being good. xxxxx

qazxc Mon 04-Nov-13 20:43:37

Ah puppy delighted for you. hoping that it will be me in 2 weeks and that my bean was just shy/hiding.
I know tallyra it'll be hell for the next 2 weeks as my paranoia will run riot. I do that many knicker checks at work they must think i have some sort of bizarre bug or the worst cistitis ever. grin

Brodicea Mon 04-Nov-13 20:43:59

Yaaaayyy for you also puppy smile y'all are warming my cockles.

PuppyMummy Mon 04-Nov-13 21:26:57

qaz fingers firmly crossed here for you

Yay foody and puppy! Great news!

So can I ask a stupid question? Is it normal to get weird pinching in my lower belly and around the pubic bone? Worried something is up! Also, did anyone else wake up at 5am every morning for no reason early on in pregnancy? Been doing it since last week - before my bfp. Driving me nuts. Oh, and one more thing: morning sickness - when does it start?? I'm terrified!

qazxc Mon 04-Nov-13 21:52:10

feather i have had some ache and twinges but as far as i know that'snormal. I have also had bad sleep and waking v early, which is not helping the tiredness. Nausea started in earnest this week (am week 7), but as with everything in pregnancy no 2 are the same. Don't worry even though i'm a paranoid wreck myself

BlindKitty Mon 04-Nov-13 21:58:21

qaz sure he's just hiding! Guess that's the prob with early scans and trying to find something so minute

foody yeh for scan going well!

puppy haha, knew you'd cave! Glad all went ok

merk any more movement?

angel you can get lactulose over the counter. Also prunes work wonders!

Question: those of you who have 'come out', how did you tell your boss? Did you just come out with it?

Foodylicious Mon 04-Nov-13 22:36:04

HI!!!

So the scan was all good, dated us as 8+1 which is just right from when I ov'd (not the lmp which would have us at 8+3).
She said all looked good, had a bit of a mooch around, could not see either ovary due to bowels (nice!). Speedy little flutter and you could see it sort of fidgeting around a bit. she said it was nice and central too.
The woman was lovely and we have a few pics.
Thanks for all your support guys!!
feather I had weird insomnia from before the BFP (I knew it was weird cause I get insomnia alot and this was different some how) waking up really early or being awake for 2-4 hrs in the middle of the night but sort of spaced out?
'Fanny daggers' might be the phrase you are looking for feather or not?
I get pains and twinges quite a bit, worry when I get them then worry when I don't. Lots of funny stretching pains around wks 4-6, currently little stabby pains though I think most of thats trapped wind, i would swear its right at my cervix at the time, then it moves and was definately just wind (nice too huh?!)
Nausea and insatiable appetite started about week 5 for me, been proper pukey for last 2 weeks. Soo much worse when I have not slept well, so that is key for me, but there is not much. U can do to control it.
puppy that is fab, fab, fab! if ever I have a secret I will share it with you, well done keeping it to yourself grin.
qaz the waiting will be tough, and am soo with you on the knicker checking. It bad enough that i need to pee about 3 times more than normal, then there is all the checking in between. And my poor boobs! simply getting squeezed and prodded continuously. Will need to stop this habit before I get back to work.

katatonic Mon 04-Nov-13 22:46:29

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Foodylicious Tue 05-Nov-13 03:27:12

Awake,awake,awake! And eating. Ooh that feels better. Go ahead yoghurt bars are my saviour grin

I'm also wide awake, I think it's excitement about official test day today. Feather, I've had cramps since the day of BFP, Foody gives a really good description of them!
Congrats on the scans Puppy and Foody and fingers crossed for qazxc.

Foodylicious Tue 05-Nov-13 03:54:24

Ooh, good luck lady, FX
Going to try sleep again now x

I think you get more symptoms early on, the twinges were definitely an early symptom that went after a few weeks. As was the insomnia. My sickness started around week 6 - don't worry feather if I can survive it (fear of being sick) then you can, although you might have to try hard to beat my levels of moaning! Then again you might not get any... A few people haven't.
Movement every day now, and DH can feel it too grin

PuppyMummy Tue 05-Nov-13 06:48:18

feather I havent been sick at all and not felt sick in the morning.
I had the insomnia for the first couple of weeks and sore boobs for the first week but they are on and off now and insomnia gone.
My main consistent symptoms are only being thirsty, weeing more and being tired.

the lack of symptoms is one of the reasons we caved and had an early scan! I guess we're lucky! but its all a worry!

BlindKitty Tue 05-Nov-13 07:06:34

foody are you putting your pic up on mn?

lady foody <whispers> I think I might be starting to get over my insomnia....fx managed. 6.30 every night this week grin

Where is lady anyway?????

Fantastic foody and puppy and promising qaz so fingers crossed the next two weeks fly by.

Aaaah puppy don't blame you, lovely news!

Feather I got off very lightly with all symptoms, lower belly twinges in the first few weeks after BFP, bloating, very slight nausea and the joy of insomnia/midnight wee trips. All of which disappeared completely by about 13wks, I now feel totally normal apart from a bit fat and breathless!

Heh foody midnight snacking is the way forward. Can't remember who told me malt loaf was good...but boy, is malt loaf good when you're starving hungry!

Thanks for all the advice, ladies!

merk I have a fear of vomming too! Urgh. Hoping morning sickness is hereditary - my mum didn't have it with any of us. Although I have a feeling I won't be so lucky.

foody 'fanny daggers' ha ha ha!! Brilliant. That's exactly what it feels like. So pleased your scan went well. Hoorah!

lady fx'd for today! All will be well.

kitty think I saw her over on the berries thread. Getting confused splitting my MN time between both threads now!

qazxc Tue 05-Nov-13 08:42:45

foody i have been prodding and squeezing my boobs since i started TTC as it the first sign. I once found myself doing it during a tesco grocery shop with a very embarrassed DP next to me.

still sore from the scan yesterday (well i hope it's the scan). had a panic moment when i woke up that all my symptoms had vanished but am now feeling nauseated so am all happy.

katatonic Tue 05-Nov-13 08:49:39

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

qazxc Tue 05-Nov-13 08:59:27

kat Step away from the scales! you're pregnant, your body is going to change. Apart from my DSIL who at 7 months can still fit in her jeans and has put on bugger all weight (although one of my colleagues was like that, she only found out she was pg 7 months gone, and then ballooned out bigger than when she had twins). It might not be blubber anyway it more probably is fluid or extra blood or other stuff the baby needs.

kat you probably just need a poo! Now stop weighing yourself! Xxx

Foodylicious Tue 05-Nov-13 10:48:32

Kat I have put on 5lbs in the last 4 weeks! Really need to go shopping, I have 2 pairs of trousers that fit and one pair of really soft jeans. I reluctantly dug out my 'fat' jeans yesterday and THEY DON'T FIT! AHHH.
I know some of its water and bloating but my thighs and arse are huge too!
boom will get some malt loaf, I tried crackers, not a massive fan, but croissants and scotch pancakes are great. Finally got back to sleep about 5.30 and slept till 10. headachey this morning so trying to drink but its not easy.

Angelina77 Tue 05-Nov-13 10:52:46

I had my midwife booking in appointment yesterday and I had to choose either a dating scan or a nuchal screening scan. I'd read the leaflets but I assumed you would get both - apparently not. So I opted for nuchal - has anyone else done this? Does it matter? Also I was suprised I didn't get a pack of info or a folder, no mobile number for the midwife and not seeing her again until 16 weeks.

Tallyra Tue 05-Nov-13 11:04:39

that seems very odd angel. at least a phone number would be good! I wasn't given the option of 2 types of scan, just the nuchal one but the midwife didn't even give me a form for a maternity exemption card, ehich, considering I was and still am on multiple drugs I thought was very bad. we must have spent at least 50quid on drugs and now I can't find the receipts to claim them back!

Anyway, I have just got back from walking the dog. my first full length walk on my own. it usually takes an hour, it took me 2 and now I'm sitting at the front door with no energy to take off my wellies.

Foodylicious Tue 05-Nov-13 11:04:59

Angelina did you fill in lots of forms?? at my appt we filled them in together and the i keep the folder and take it to all appts ect. mine has all the blood forms in etc. She sent of the scan request form.
boom might know if this is sometimes different, but I am pretty sure this is standard.
Re the scan - I think its so they allow enough time for the scan and a more experienced/qualified scanner for the nuchal?
I would ring your surgery and ask, the receptionists always seem to know whats going on, maybe leave a message for the midwife to give you a call.
I don't think I have a mob no for the midwife, would have to go through my surgery.

Angelina77 Tue 05-Nov-13 11:13:29

I was expecting to take away a folder full of all that stuff but no, I was just given the scan form which I haev to take tto the appointment. The NHS leaflet says you should get the midwife's mobile number but she didn't offer it and I forgot to ask.

The leafelt also says you shouldn't swim or do yoga until 15 weeks which she said was rubbish. I thought it was odd but now there's doubt in my mind I don't want to risk it. I reall want to swim too, I'm sick of doing no exercise.

Foodylicious Tue 05-Nov-13 11:23:01

This is what should have happened, scroll down and it even says you should have been given the folder.
www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/pages/antenatal-midwife-care-pregnant.aspx#close
Give them a ring!

Foodylicious Tue 05-Nov-13 11:25:39
Angelina77 Tue 05-Nov-13 11:48:00

Thanks. Weird how the NHS website doesn't say anything about swimming and yoga being avoided.

I've got to go and pick up a prescription tomorrow so I'll ask about it then.

Foodylicious Tue 05-Nov-13 12:00:05

boom what's happening with work? did they sort your references? do you have a start date?

I was told no swimming, yoga or new exercise til 14 weeks. Most pregnancy yoga classes won't take you until after them anyway
Some people don't get their notes until their scan... Somebody else on here was like that whereas I got mine at booking

You should definitely get a scan that both dates you and does nuchal, mine were both done in 1 12 week scan

Brodicea Tue 05-Nov-13 12:43:32

Same here, my scan was a dating + nuchal. You should deffers get all your bumf as well - mine was given to me at a brief pre-booking in appointment, then we filled in all the paperwork together at the full hour-long booking-in appointment which was at 10 weeks.

I had nuchal and dating too! I'm sure you'll get both if you opted for nuchal. Strange not to give you contact details though..? I reckon it might be worth a phonecall just for clarification of everything, it will put your mind at ease I'm sure x

Brodicea Tue 05-Nov-13 13:14:06

Oooer, my DH is up North at the moment trying to get a job. We'd like to move to Yorkshire this side of Xmas. Very nervous - he's gone for a few but no cigar as yet!
If he doesn't get it we might have to stay down south until after the baby has landed sad

Brodicea Tue 05-Nov-13 13:14:29

Sorry to blunder in with a ME post, but I reeeally hope he gets it!

Good luck mr brod! Are you from Yorkshire originally?

Brodicea Tue 05-Nov-13 13:29:06

He is, I'm from the midlands. If we move up there a) we may one fine day own a house and b) my mum would be able to move up (she was caring for my Nan who passed away in Feb and has nothing to stay in the midlands for - her words, not mine). We live on the south coast at the mo and it's so far from family and so expensive.

Well it sounds like it could work put perfectly! Fingers and toes crossed- let us know when you hear... What about work for you?

Brodicea Tue 05-Nov-13 14:22:51

Will hopefully hear tomorrow so will let you know.

I have been accepted onto a local university's temp pool (yeears of being a university admin person means I have loads of handy experience) but I also have to finish writing up my thesis (part time PhD student also) - no way I'll be finished, but I want at least to have a complete draft. So I may be stuck indoors finishing that, and taking time for the occasional bit of temp work. Then in May - baby-dom! (all being well)

It will be weird being all the way the others side of the country, I've been down here for over ten years now so I'm worried about making new friends. I expect I'll be kept busy though!

Tallyra Tue 05-Nov-13 14:25:19

don't half the berries live in Yorkshire?

Angelina77 Tue 05-Nov-13 15:02:29

Thanks all, I'll stay away from the pool for now and chase up the info with the midwife. I've got my reassurance scan on Thursday (counting the seconds) so I'll probably try and get hold of her to let her know how it went.

brodicea fingers crossed for you & your husband, Yorkshire is the BEST place to live smile

Brod I'm in Yorkshire, come up and keep me company! Fingers crossed for Mr Brod grin

Angelina everything all the other berries have said is right, your nuchal scan will include a dating scan. Your midwife sounds crap though. In some places (including here) you don't get your notes at the first appointment, but you should really get them before 16 weeks! I would phone the surgery and ask for the midwife's number, or failing that ask her to ring you. She should have given you that and the number of the EPU as a minimum.

Tally I've just realised I still don't think anyone's sent off a mat exemption form for me! Keep meaning to have a grumble about it and then forgetting at appointments grin. Luckily haven't had to get anything so far except super-strength folic acid..

Brodicea Tue 05-Nov-13 16:15:29

Good luck with your quest angel!

Guess, what? He got the job! Leeds here we come!

Brod AWESOME!! Well done him! I'm next door to Leeds, we can hang out on mat leave and be pregnant fatties together grin WHOOOOOP!!!

Brodicea Tue 05-Nov-13 16:36:09

Yaaay!! Really pleased grin also slightly bricking it as we now have to find a place to live and get ourselves mobilised, all the way from Brighton! Still, I'm pregnant so can't do any heavy lifting (BONUS!).
So glad to hear you're so close boom - I was wondering, when you said I should wave hello on my way to York - we'll be fattie bumbatties and sleep deprived zombies in the North together!

Angelina77 Tue 05-Nov-13 16:41:32

brodicea great news! smile

Jealous face, I would LOVE to move back up North.
Is anyone else near London to keep me company in Surrey?

Foodylicious Tue 05-Nov-13 16:48:10

Great news brod I am in Leeds (well Pudsey), any idea where abouts you will be living? is his job in the city?

Tallyra Tue 05-Nov-13 17:11:24

Damn you all being so close. Kent is so far from anywhere else sad

Tallyra Tue 05-Nov-13 17:12:21

but huge congratulations bros grin grin grin grin grin

Kent is nearer to surrey than Somerset.... Fab news brod! I moved down here from York and have also lived in Leeds- Yorkshire rocks! (But I am a West Country girl in my heart)

Brodicea Tue 05-Nov-13 17:37:28

Thanks for the congrats!
He'll be working at Leeds Uni so we're thinking Meanwood, Headingley, Kirkstall (Hyde Park might be a bit TOO student-y). He's from Chapel Allerton but doesn't want to be too freshly reminded of his teen years at every corner!

It's a shame we are so spread out, maybe we should plan a grand meet-up somewhere in the middle.

Congrats Brod and Mr Brod! Making friends should be easier with all those baby groups to join.
My beta was 49 so OK but I was hoping for higher after 5 days of BFPs. Feeling deflated. And they kept me waiting until 1650 for the phone call! Blood test being repeated a week on Thursday.

PuppyMummy Tue 05-Nov-13 18:02:56

congrats Brod we have lived in meanwood its nice, the problem with the areas you mentioned is they r sought after so quite expensive! when we wanted to buy we moved to South Leeds - loads more house for your money! how exciting!

foody malt loaf, yum! with loads of real butter!

cant remember who said it but I hav also put on 5lb since bfp! mainly cos stopped running 10k 3 times a week but also been sooo hungry! oh well

lady keep the faith! Beta doubles and triples and quadruples within days, doesn't it?

Congrats Mrs & Mr Brod!

Found myself in John Lewis this afternoon, having bunked off work early. Was looking at all the baby stuff. Bloody hell, it's not cheap is it! (I know it's v early but I couldn't help myself - just wanted to get an idea!) ������

Feather, I fell in love with the baby jogger versa gt months ago. It was on Amazon for 283 (normally 449) so I bought it. This was before embryo transfer! DH doesn't know yet. It's in a box in the garage. If this baby survives though, I'm hoping to borrow loads of stuff from my sister, if she doesn't get updiffed again soon.

BelissimaLol Tue 05-Nov-13 18:20:43

Merk I'm in Middlesex grin
Think janey, akex and quod are also in London! Maybe mother too????
You will have to spend more time with the grads gringrin

Foodylicious Tue 05-Nov-13 18:24:16

Have a really good look around house hunting if you can brod before we moved to pudsey (20 min drive from city centre we lived in armley. The centre is not that great, but we rented just outside in a lovely 3 bed house for the same price as a flat in headingly.

MotherOfCleo Tue 05-Nov-13 18:27:27

I'm in Sussex lol smile I'm definitely in the minority I think!!