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Scared about reassurance scan today

(65 Posts)
Armadale Thu 24-Oct-13 09:36:38

I've got a scan this afternoon, I am 7+5 today.

It is my 5th PG with no babies to show for it.

It gets so hard to go back in there each time, the memories just pile up and I can't cope with it all.

I'm scared about the scan too.

peeapod Thu 24-Oct-13 09:38:28

hugs. hope it goes well..

TobyLerone Thu 24-Oct-13 09:40:37

Good luck flowers

Writerwannabe83 Thu 24-Oct-13 09:42:12

Good luck today, my fingers are crossed that you see a healthy and happy heartbeat x x

Fakebook Thu 24-Oct-13 09:44:15

Good luck. Hopefully it will all be ok. Have you been tested and treated for any complications?

Armadale Thu 24-Oct-13 09:44:54

thanks for the good wishes

Mama1980 Thu 24-Oct-13 09:46:15

Hope all goes well. Thinking of you x

Armadale Thu 24-Oct-13 09:47:54

Fakebook, it is a bit of a long story, I have had some testing- 2 PG were random genetic probs, one they didn't test and my late loss they really don't know what happened...the PM showed the cause of death but not what caused the cause, if that makes sense, the working hypothesis seems to be some sort of blood clotting problem but it is not one they can test for yet. I'm on heparin and aspirin in case they help.

CarrotCakeMuffins Thu 24-Oct-13 09:55:11

Oh Armadale I really feel for you. Best of luck this afternoon. I understand completely how you are feeling & how terrifying it is.

I had a scan yesterday at 7+2 which went well following 3 mcs. Also I am very blessed to already have a DD 7. We both cried when we got the good news.

Whichever way it goes this afternoon, you may find it useful to join the June 2014 bus for those with RMC issues. There is a lot of great support on there from others in our situation who are having both both good & bad times right now.

FX for this afternoon and thanks

Fakebook Thu 24-Oct-13 09:57:30

Sorry for all your losses, it sounds like you've had a horrendous time of it.

Hopefully the aspirin and heparin are helping and everything will be fine. I was on aspirin for my last pregnancy and this one until about 36 weeks. No diagnosed clotting problem but it apparently helps me for some reason.

Are you having weekly scans or fortnightly ones?

Wishing you lots of luck for today xx

PumpkinPie2013 Thu 24-Oct-13 10:03:41

Good luck for this afternoon flowers

Hope everything goes well today thanks

elskovs Thu 24-Oct-13 10:08:23

Wow no wonder you are scared, this morning must really be dragging for you. Good luck Im thinking of you xx

unlucky83 Thu 24-Oct-13 10:23:53

Did they test for Hughes/Anti-phospholipid syndrome (used to be called Lupus Antiphospholipid)?
People do test negative (tests aren't very good) but still have symptoms...
It is a clotting disorder and worth looking into it - and looking at their support forums etc ...there are lots of successful outcomes with treatment with Aspirin and fragmin (LMW heparin) - and advice.
They have a great dept in St Thomas in London - (I used to be a patient there and my local hospital got advice from them on how to treat me when pregnant)
You need lots of growth scans -I had weekly for my first DC.
(I tested positive 20+ years ago - not pregnant -for years have now tested negative with no symptoms (was on warfarin for a couple of year but now just daily aspirin) - but was treated as positive for both pregnancies)
Good Luck with your scan...fingers crossed for you flowers

Armadale Thu 24-Oct-13 10:25:45

thanks everyone for the support.

This is why I love MNet. I was quite affected by the madness of the AF banned/goady idiots not banned last night and did wonder if maybe my time here was up, but MNet has been kind to me on so many occasions like today.

Carrot, I am so pleased that you got a good scan yesterday, that is wonderful news.

I have actually been on that thread you mentioned think I may have started it but had a bit of a freak out a couple of weeks ago and have stuck my head in the sand since pretending not to be PG and have not been near an antenatal thread since. I will try to come back.
(I'm Miss Garth on there-I name change a lot as my family do not know about the 3 MC's only the late loss, and don't want them to inadventently find out, but my namechanges are always Wilkie Collins' female characters, so you can always guess if it is me!).

Elks, yes it is going very slowly, I have just spent five minutes watching the dustmen collect all the wheelie bins out of the window confused

Fakebook, I don't know what scans I'm supposed to be having yet...I'm already slightly in the dog house with the EPU as I pretended it wasn't happening the last couple of weeks and didn't book in with them for a six week one so when I rang them this week they were unimpressed with me. To be fair to them, my last PG was a partial molar, so it is important they scan me early, but to be fair to me, I had a scan with a good heartbeat and all OK at 7+3 last time, and the happiness and relief were amazing, and then I started bleeding late that night and miscarried the next day after I'd got my hopes up, and just felt I didn't want to see the HB as early this time till I'd passed that marker. I think part of it for me is trying to stay sane any way I can.

Armadale Thu 24-Oct-13 10:29:56

Unlucky, I am at Thomas', I requested to go there after the PM results...they think I haven't got Hughes as I test negative for it BUT i test positive for it in pregnancy.

They say that is just one of those things, and I definitely haven't got it.

I know st mary's have a theory now that some clotting disorders can be like diabetes, eg you just present with it as a condition of pregnancy even if you haven't got it when not pregnant, so I have talked them into letting me have the heparin and aspirin just in case. I think the consultant is pretty convinced otherwise, but it at least makes me feel better.

CarrotCakeMuffins Thu 24-Oct-13 12:30:04

If it helps, all the scans on the June RMC issues thread have been successful so far this week....

Armadale Thu 24-Oct-13 16:07:11

OK I'm back.

Wasn't great.

Heartbeat present. Scan size 6+0, I am 7+5 today, and got a BFP at 28 days, so know I must be much further along than 6+0.

Armadale Thu 24-Oct-13 16:07:38

Going to take the dog for a walk and have a bit of a cry in the woods.

dontmixthecolours Thu 24-Oct-13 16:11:29

Oh Armadale, can I give you some (((()))))

Please don't give up hope, babies are so tiny at that stage that it's very difficult to get an accurate measurement. I have everything crossed for you, recurrent miscarriage is awful

Please take care. When are you back at the hospital?

Cybercat Thu 24-Oct-13 16:11:51

I am so so sorry that it wasn't better news. I am going back for a repeat scan tomorrow and am in a similar boat (heartbeat & growth both too slow in my case). Is there any chance that you ovulated later than you thought? Might be the cause of the date discrepancy. Look after yourself.

headoverheels Thu 24-Oct-13 16:11:59

Oh OP. But a heartbeat must be good news? What did they say?

Armadale Thu 24-Oct-13 16:16:41

Hi everyone, thanks for the care. I'm due back 2 weeks today unless anything happens before...they said they don't know what to say, if things have gone up 2 weeks in two weeks time might be ok, but if not, then not OK. Last time I had a scan there I had a HB and the MC started later that night, which is why I put it off until 7+5 this time. I think if I ovulated late it would explain it, but it would mean I couldn't get a BFP on day 28, which I did.
Cybercat, good luck for tomorrow, I really hope it goes well for you, will be thinking of you x

Mama1980 Thu 24-Oct-13 16:46:20

Oh op I'm so sorry it didn't go great. How are you doing? I have everything crossed that your dates have somehow got muddled.
Take care of yourself x

Mama1980 Thu 24-Oct-13 16:46:40

Cybercat, good luck for tomorrow x

Cybercat Thu 24-Oct-13 16:59:54

Thank you both. Armadale was it a very weak positive at that point? Just trying to be positive for you x

Armadale Thu 24-Oct-13 17:17:24

Actually it was a weak positive, so maybe i should try to hold onto that, Cybercat, just in case.

Cybercat Thu 24-Oct-13 17:38:10

My friend has a bouncing 10 month old and when she was scanned at 13 weeks (using her dates) she measured at 11. It is possible x

I know exactly where you are coming from. I've had a couple of mmc then a late loss and then a closely monitored pregnancy that resulted in dd.
I got a bfp on Monday but have had spotting and cramping since. I haven't even spoken to gp yet. I should because they will want to monitor me again but I am going to do another test on Monday before I do. Otherwise I might already miscarry and waste their time. sad
I'm hoping it is just implanting and my womb adjusting.

MissMedusa Thu 24-Oct-13 17:59:01

Lots of people get BFPs before 28 days. I've had one at 23 days and one at 25 so if you're not certain when you ovulated, then there's definitely still hope.

CarrotCakeMuffins Thu 24-Oct-13 18:01:29

A heartbeat is good, and a weak positive HPT would support this.
Will they not rescan you in 1 week rather than 2? At least that would give you an answer sooner on whether it is ok or not.

Lots of thanks and also cake if you feel up to it.

Armadale Thu 24-Oct-13 18:08:40

thanks for the encouragement. I'll keep hopeful for now. FX I ovulated very late & the scan measurement was a bit off or something.

They won't rescan before 2 weeks unless I have bleeding or cramping, I asked. It is going to be a long 2 weeks.

It sounds so silly but I've just had my work cut out desperately trying to get to 7+3 without going bonkers, and I cant imagine how i'm going to do it for another 2 weeks.

Drama, I have my fingers crossed it is implanting you are experiencing. I understand what you mean about not wanting to contact them. Hang in there. I'm so glad you have a dd.

ladylashes Thu 24-Oct-13 18:15:24

Don't lose hope OP. I had an early scan for spotting. Based on dates I was certain that I was over 7 weeks yet they dated me as 5+2. The wait for a follow up scan was agony. I'm now 13+2 and the babe is growing consistently. A heartbeat is a very positive sign in my experience.

Big hugs. Keep us updated xx

Pinupgirl Thu 24-Oct-13 18:19:17

Hi op
Im sorry it was not good news at your scan but just wanted to say that you will get there. I had 4 miscarriages including a molar pregnancy that became cancerous,3 late losses too but I now have lovely dcs. Don't give up hope.

Make sure that if the worse does happen-and fingers crossed it doesn't!-that they are extra vigalant when doing any tests due to your molar history.

I also tested negative for lupus and then positive later on and was put on the blood thinners too. With those and having the abdominal stitch I have gone on to have 2 successful pregnancies.

Armadale Thu 24-Oct-13 18:24:17

thank you Lady Lashes, that is so good to hear...brilliant that you are now 13+2 and doing so well, I hope you have a VERY uneventful pregnancy from now on and you can just glide through!

Pinupgirl, thank you. Very good to be reminded of the molar testing point....you sound like you have been to hell and back, I'm so glad you now have two babies.

neolara Thu 24-Oct-13 18:27:14

I'm sorry things don't sound great. Recurrent miscarriage is totally, utterly horrible. Fingers crossed for you.

Fakebook Thu 24-Oct-13 18:45:11

I'm sorry it didn't go as well as you expected Armadale. I wish I'd commented earlier and suggested you ask for a weekly scan rather than fortnightly, that's why I'd asked you. You can still phone up and ask them this tomorrow. After 4 lost babies they should arrange it for you without any questions. You shouldn't have to wait this long for another scan.

As for the baby size, did they give you a measurement? My DS (born after 4 mc's) was always measuring below average from weeks 7-11. I worried a lot but he managed to pull through.

Also, have you had your thyroid and vitamin D tested before this pregnancy?
There have been studies to suggest that vitamin D deficiency can affect vascular health and cause blood clots. Having a normal vitamin D level in your body can improve circulation in the uterus too along with high dose folic acid.

Take care of yourself, I know all you feel is despair right now, but you are still pregnant so loads of rest and nice things to eat smile.

Fakebook Thu 24-Oct-13 18:47:52

Sorry x posts, I see you did ask. That's crappy of them not offering a weekly scan.

unlucky83 Fri 25-Oct-13 00:58:23

Glad you are at Thomas' - best place in the world for someone with possible clotting problems in pregnancy...
You can test neg and still have symptoms of Hughes - some antibodies they test for are elevated in pregnancy....and there is an increased risk of clotting anyway - hence lots of people being 'diagnosed' when they are pregnant ... so good you are on the fragmin and aspirin -can't do any harm...
Fingers crossed for you flowers ....don't worry too much about the baby seeming small from a scan ...they aren't really an exact science
For DD1 at about 36 weeks weekly scan (so bigger to measure) the person doing the scan - obviously experienced - kept doing it again and double checking measurements etc...report slip was sealed in an envelope - I knew something was wrong ...
Apparently she hadn't grown in the week and her amniotic fluid levels had gone down - I had to return the next day for another scan...(obviously by that stage the baby would be better out if there were any problems) - next day the scan was fine ...normal growth, fluid levels...etc -I was told she was probably just at a funny angle for the first scan...
Also for DD2 had an amnio (older mother) - it was all borderline whether I should have one or not -exact no of weeks was important for the blood tests results - can't remember exactly - I didn't have a date for last period - but did know exactly the date I conceived - they said that wasn't possible -and the scans I had had from 5 weeks backed up their dates ...
The very very best of luck ..never had a MC - but do know how stressful and worrying it is when you are expecting/waiting for something to go wrong...(DD1 I counted every week..it took to 28 weeks before I started thinking with luck she might just make it - by 38 weeks (she was due to be induced at 39+3) I was begging for them to induce me - to get her out why she was still alive sad...)
flowersflowers

tsw Fri 25-Oct-13 20:03:11

Just wanted to comment as I had Hughes in my last pregnancy (ended in a very late loss). It has disappeared for this pregnancy so far. Good luck to you.

You mentioned St Marys, do you mind me asking which one? smile

unlucky83 Fri 25-Oct-13 21:06:36

So sorry for your loss tsw flowersflowersflowers -that was my biggest fear - and I knew it might happen - I think it must be so much worse if you aren't expecting it sad
If the tests weren't so unreliable, I think there is an argument to test for Hughes/APS as soon as a pregnancy is confirmed -it could save a lot of heartache.
Are they treating you as positive for this pregnancy anyway?
I started testing negative years before being pregnant but they treated me as positive anyway - I'd recently moved up to Scotland but for DD1 they spoke to my old consultant in St Thomas' - for DD2 6 years later with more negative results and my notes missing from London- my consultant was less keen on the frequent growth scans - I had to fight for them - he got a haemotologist to talk to me -to put my mind at rest - but after hearing my story he agreed with me and I got the scans I wanted.

aloysiusflyte Fri 25-Oct-13 21:26:48

Don't lose all hope yet, I had a mmc in may and am pregnant again. Was very scared to find I was spotting at 7 weeks, had a scan and saw heartbeat but was only measuring 6 weeks. The epu weren't concerned at all but after a further incident of bleeding at 8 weeks, I had another scan this week and am now bang on dates at 8+6.
As you know you'll never stop worrying after miscarriage and loss but there is always hope that things will be right this time. That's what I have to tell myself to try and keep positive.
Hope the next two weeks go quickly smile

tsw Sat 26-Oct-13 14:58:31

I was tested for it as my uncle died from a blood clot mid pregnancy & I had a positive but it was treated as a false positive. I got another positive after I lost my baby so it was "ratified" as I had 2 tests & "an event".

I am on double aspirin but docs hesitant to treat me with heparin unless it returns. I have been tested before pregnancy, at 6 weeks, at 12 weeks & will be tested again at 20 weeks in 2 weeks time. All neg so far. Doc says that it returning "goes against accepted theory" so is very confident this will be a successful pregnancy but testing to be sure. I'm getting scans pretty much every 2-4 weeks atm.

unlucky83 Sat 26-Oct-13 15:47:05

Sorry turning into a thread hijack ....but that makes me so angry for you - the test are so unreliable (or used to be) there should be no such thing as a false positive flowers flowers ...
I knew/know quite bit about APS (was diagnosed 21 yrs ago after a massive DVT)
I'm not that up to date - but I would be fighting for the heparin - unless doc has a very very good reason not to prescribe...and weekly growth scans as you get to 30 weeks...
I'm going to pm you.

tsw Sat 26-Oct-13 16:15:25

He's concerned about a link between heparin & abruption that he has found in his research so is hesitant. Said in the past he would just give it to me.

Armadale Tue 29-Oct-13 16:30:41

Had been bleeding a little for a couple of days, but today starting losing huge clots. I knew this morning before it started by the pains I was getting.

I just don't know if I've got enough grit left in me to pull myself together again.

Feeling very sorry for myself

elskovs Tue 29-Oct-13 17:59:41

Oh no.... how absolutely CRAP sad Im so sorry for you.

I hope you feel able to try again at some point. Cant imagine how sad you must be.

Hope you aren't in pain at least. Thinking of you xxxx

Cybercat Tue 29-Oct-13 18:05:39

Armadale I'm so sorry but I'm keeping everything crossed for you that this is a false alarm. Take care x

tumbletumble Tue 29-Oct-13 18:31:02

So so sorry Armadale

Mama1980 Tue 29-Oct-13 19:14:51

I'm so sorry x

Armadale Tue 29-Oct-13 20:59:41

Thanks for your kindness.

DH is home now so he is keeping me company.

Its ridiculous that I won't take any paracetamol just in case despite the fact that it is very obvious that there can no longer be any pregnancy in there.

unlucky83 Tue 29-Oct-13 21:07:42

So sorry flowers

Fakebook Tue 29-Oct-13 21:15:20

I'm so sorry Armadale sad.

Armadale Wed 30-Oct-13 17:23:20

Just an update, went to EPU for a scan today and it is definitely over.

Mama1980 Wed 30-Oct-13 17:26:27

I'm so very very sorry. X

FobblyWoof Wed 30-Oct-13 17:32:32

I'm so, so sorry Armadale thanks

headoverheels Wed 30-Oct-13 17:34:44

Thinking of you tonight, Armadale sad

tsw Wed 30-Oct-13 17:36:13

My thoughts are with you & your husband Armadale. xx

Armadale Wed 30-Oct-13 18:27:20

thanks for the kind messages thanks

ladylashes Wed 30-Oct-13 19:36:26

I'm so very sorry Armadale. You have been in my thoughts and will continue to be.

Please look after yourself xx

Luckystar1 Wed 30-Oct-13 19:47:56

I'm so, so, so sorry for your loss. You and your dh are in my thoughts. There are no words. Take care of yourself and each other. X

dontmixthecolours Wed 30-Oct-13 19:58:45

I'm so sorry Armadale. Nothing I can say will make it better but I'm thinking of you

Armadale Wed 30-Oct-13 22:19:34

Thanks everyone, it somehow does help x

PourquoiPas Wed 30-Oct-13 22:29:13

So sorry Armadale. Thoughts and prayers with you x x x

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