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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE Tue 15-Oct-13 19:53:28

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.

There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

I used to include extracts from MOH's wonderful website
https://sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/
but I think that makes this link less visible so am merely putting the link. The information on this site is invaluable for sufferers, with information about medications, coping strategies, hospital admissions, useful links, advice for family members, and much more.

I would like to thank MOH and Everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.

LucindaE Tue 15-Oct-13 20:20:24

Hyper So sorry you still suffering, I hope this is a bug making things worse, there's a vicious one going about .
Tallyra I'm keeping my fingers crossed you get some relief soon. Gentle pats. Good idea about Caitlin Dean's link.
Meerka Congratulations on twelve weeks.
MOB Great news.
Sally Good luck with results. You've had enough problems!
Eggy Sorry things are bad today.
Hope Everybody is surviving.
Lucinda
xx

MurderOfBanshees Tue 15-Oct-13 20:40:42

Just marking place.

Hope everyone is doing ok (as can be).

jenpatnim Tue 15-Oct-13 20:47:17

Hey all, marking place also. I am a lot better, off the meds and a bit nauseated but able to eat. Also off the lactulose and things are moving great. Do I have to leave the board?

SicknSpan Tue 15-Oct-13 20:55:26

Glad some of us are coping. thanks to those who aren't. Just marking place, ondansetron started this morning so I'm beginning to feel some relief from the vomming. Just not the nausea. It's relentless, so wearing.

MurderOfBanshees Tue 15-Oct-13 20:57:13

Stick around jen, it's good for us to hear it can get better!

eggybrokenoff Wed 16-Oct-13 06:16:39

Marking place. hope everyone ok today

LucindaE Wed 16-Oct-13 08:28:20

Welecome to the new house, everyone. Cyber cushions, and ahem - bowls are available.
Jenn You are much valued, do stay! It's always been my hope that this thread should expand to include ex sufferers coming back regularly, etc, but because by definition people with babies are so busy, they don't tend to come back often! It's so good when women who are a lot better, have given birth etc come back to encourage others, say how good life is getting etc.
Lucinda
xx

tryingtokeeppositive Wed 16-Oct-13 10:53:29

Marking place. Hope everyone is okay today, x

Tallyra Wed 16-Oct-13 11:16:18

morning all. I have my fingers crossed as I have had a few good days in a row - maybe maybe I'm improving as I hit 14 weeks. don't want to jinx it though!

Totesamazeballs Wed 16-Oct-13 11:26:19

Hi all! I am improving too. Not been sick for a week and although still nauseous, it's much less oppressive and I have more energy which is just as well as DS has decided to start the tantrums! Oh joy.

eggybrokenoff Wed 16-Oct-13 13:00:50

i dont feel i should post then - will bring the thread down! i have actually managed to do a fair bit today despite being utterly wiped by yesterdays lactulose ahem, incident. vomiting well under control but oh my god the nausea is all consuming. i am so grumpy and have no patience with the dcs either. i really have to snap out of it!

Tallyra Wed 16-Oct-13 13:09:27

don't get me wrong eggy, I might be feeling a bit better but I'm still unable to do very much at all - even getting the strength up to have a shower is a trial still!

eggybrokenoff Wed 16-Oct-13 13:42:30

i actually braved a dog walk today - just a short one with ds toddling. was feeling so chuffed then the wretched animal jumped in a huge puddle of boggy cow shitty water. he stinks, my house stinks. i could actually throttle him. but with untreated hg with ds1 he was my constant companion through lonely days lying in the bathroom vomiting continually. so i can just about forgive him anything!

Meerka Wed 16-Oct-13 17:17:40

Hello new thread looks around, waves, adjusts a cushion or two and lies back, bowl by her hand

Please stick around jen!

SIcknspan yeah, the nausea is worse than the vomitting sad

Strength to all

LucindaE Wed 16-Oct-13 18:25:50

Meerka Lol, I wish I could offer cyber hands to do housework, childcare, placating of OH's (for those with non angelic ones), etc.
Eggy That first pregnancy sounds horrific - I remember you saying it was untreated - did you suffer throughout? Your dog was obviously wonderfully supportive then, perhaps showed more sense than the doctors who ignored you.
Totes Brilliant news and Tallyra That's wonderful, too!
Sickandspan Poor you about nausea. It is very hard to endure. Hoping for some relief for you soon.
MOB and Everyone I hope coping.
Lucinda
xx

ChocChaffinch Wed 16-Oct-13 20:34:02

<sigh>
many on the April ante thread having idiotic messages re; morning sickness/ anti emetics from their GPs bloody hell medics really letting down preggers ladies everywhere

Totesamazeballs Wed 16-Oct-13 21:10:46

Agree with you about the nausea Meerka. People are so surprised when I say I still feel sick all day. I am clinging onto the 16/17 week mark. Not sure why as I am sure my nausea went on much, much later. In fact, I think I felt it through my whole pregnancy but just not strongly. I must have as I distinctly remember it going as soon as DS arrived.

Eggy - sounds rank! Poor you!

jenpatnim Wed 16-Oct-13 22:13:21

Ugh, sorry you guys are having such a rough time!

Tallyra - great to hear from you, so glad you are still ok!

I am defintitely physically aware that I am off the meds. My appetite is down, I have terrible trapped wind that is painful and bloating, and I do still get the nausea, but it is manageable. The fact that I have managed to poo normally 3 days in a row makes it worthwhile being off the ondansetron, even if that would kill the rest of the nausea.

I am still mega-tired, although that might be work related as well. It has been extremely busy these last few weeks, and we have one more week before I get a week off for mid-term. Then I think a 7 week term before maternity leave.

Had a lovely thing today though - last year's 5th year boys came back for prize day - they look like big men now! (I felt so proud to see them looking so grown up). I was able to tell them about the baby and they were so excited and pleased for me, hugs all round, and a very mature conversation about it. It was really really nice and I was so glad to see them. They know the date and time of my wedding and have threatened to come and stand in at the back of the ceremony - I really hope they do!

tryingtokeeppositive Wed 16-Oct-13 22:56:31

Hi all. Glad to see some are feeling better! I was dreadful this morning and afternoon but now I feel fine - better than I have in weeks. I'm actually quite worried, does it go up and down like this? I would say this morning was one of the worst so far, so it's bizarre that I feel quite good now?

Meerka Thu 17-Oct-13 07:22:56

jen that's lovely about your year 5! I hope they do too smile

* trying* Yeah it's totally normal for the sickness to go up and down. For some reason quite a few of the the Sisterhood of the Sickbowl seem to find they are better in the mornigns and worse as the day goes on, but it can easily work the other way around too.

Also, you can have rough days and good days. I think it was Totes a few weeks ago who suddenly felt rather better for a few days and then worse again and I had the same 10 days ago, to the point both of us were afraid something had gone wrong. (It hadn't, both of us have had scans since.) Other people get just a steady, non-stop nausea and sickness the whole time without fluctuations. It's all to do with the HcG hormone, apparently, and the hormones vary a lot at the best of times never mind when you're preggers.

choc i forgot the april thread, I'll have to start watching now I'm nearly past 12 weeks!

jenpatnim Thu 17-Oct-13 07:57:09

trying the fluctuations are normal. Try not to worry! Meerka is right!

tryingtokeeppositive Thu 17-Oct-13 09:30:43

Thanks meerka and jen, was a little worried. Woke up feeling crappy again so I guess it's coming for me again. Hope everyone is okay today xx

eggybrokenoff Thu 17-Oct-13 09:43:02

ive hit a bit of a low today. feel very very nauseous and just feeling resentful of the impact its having. just a few weeks ago it was summer holidays and i was doing all sorts with the dcs. ds1 school on strike today and i just cant face any baking/painting/craft nothing. i feel so guilty for them and so down about everything else im not managing to do. i know it will be wonderful in the end but today is just a tough day. my mum is coming to stay for a couple of days. i will have to tell her but actually it will be a relief for someone else to know

tryingtokeeppositive Thu 17-Oct-13 10:31:15

eggy I'm really sorry you're having a shitty day. Thank god for mums. Whilst it will be worth it in the end, I don't think that makes it any easier right now. Don't fight it today, do as little as you can get away with and try not to feel guilty about not being as active with DS. Easier said than done, but take this time with your mum there to rest up. Really hope you feel better soon x

eggybrokenoff Thu 17-Oct-13 10:36:21

thanks trying. i think in some ways although it was by far the worst pg, it was easier with ds1 cos i kept thinking it woukd stop. kept saying 'just got to get to 12 weeks then it is easier' then 16, then 20, then i was halfway etc. now i know it wont stop! but i have meds. i can do this.

Tallyra Thu 17-Oct-13 13:31:47

eggy I don't know how you are coping without mum - I couldn't! you are amazing!

I am still having good days, and trying not to jinx things. I had 3 meals yesterday and the day before. 14w today - maybe that means something, maybe not. I've not been allowing myself to believe it'll stop so if it does that'll be a bonus. I'm still taking the steroids and antiemetics and not planning on stopping just yet.

LucindaE Thu 17-Oct-13 13:58:08

Choc Sorry to hear about that on the April thread - are many suffering badly?
Meerka and Totes and Trying I* so agree about those good and bad days. Everyone gets anxious about them, which is a shame as they can't enjoy the respite. sad
Jen That does sound sweet. When is the wedding?
Eggy Poor you, hugs, sorry about bad day, it will be so nice to confide in your mother.
Tallyra I am glad your mother is looking after you. Three meals sounds hopeful that things are looking up a bit.
Apologies to anyone overlooked.
Lucinda
xx

tryingtokeeppositive Thu 17-Oct-13 13:58:47

You can do it eggy.

I need some hand-holding. I've been sick 3 times today, but I feel completely fine. A little tired, but completely fine. I'm worried about mmc. Got a scan tomorrow am. Just feel deflated.

MurderOfBanshees Thu 17-Oct-13 13:59:28

eggy I know what you mean, there was hope it would end with the first pregnancy, that hope doesn't exist in pregnancy number two. Plus you then have to listen to well meaning fools telling you it might stop. hmm

tryingtokeeppositive Thu 17-Oct-13 13:59:47

How good were everyone's good days? Just as a kind of reference point?

eggybrokenoff Thu 17-Oct-13 14:03:52

trying - i think everyone with hg worries if symptoms ease up for a while but they are meant to at this stage - and if youve vommed 3 times its not like all symptoms have suddenly left - v unlikely to be a mmc at this stage and still being sick. fwiw i had a blighted ovum mmc between ds1 and 2 and i just knew thibgs werent right. i had no symptoms whatsoever at all the whole time. thinking of you x

tryingtokeeppositive Thu 17-Oct-13 14:07:00

Thanks eggy. I have just felt from the start of this pregnancy that this was not going to work out, which is so terrible and I hate that I feel this way but it's just constantly there. I wanted this so badly but from the start it's just felt impossible.

eggybrokenoff Thu 17-Oct-13 16:00:18

i felt like that with last pg coming so close after mc. it worked out beautifully - sometimes intuition is crap i promise x

eggybrokenoff Thu 17-Oct-13 16:08:38

i have a new snacking choice - little cheeses. i dont mean sml pieces of cheese but the kids lunchbox stuff - babybel, dairyleas, sticks of v mild crap cheddar. why would that be? anyway doesnt look like ds is gping to get a babybel tomorrow.....

tryingtokeeppositive Thu 17-Oct-13 18:32:22

Thanks eggy. Just got back from a scan, all is well. Got to get better at dealing with the anxiety now, it's ridiculous!

I have a big thing for cheese at the moment - my mouth is watering writing this. Enjoy!!

Totesamazeballs Thu 17-Oct-13 19:33:54

Hi all! Great news on the scan! I tend to be sceptical that I will get a healthy baby at the end I this too. And the up and down thing is normal for me. Having very bad mouth taste day today...just cannot find anything to relieve it. And I am with you on the cheeses. Dairy lea and baby bel.

SicknSpan Thu 17-Oct-13 19:51:03

Hello all. I'm feeling so rotten, the ondansetron is slowing down the sickness but has not stopped it, i have been sick about 15 times today. No significant ketones (managing to keep the odd haribo down for long enough) but I am so so thirsty - only iced water will will do and now we've bloody well run out of ice. I would cry but there aren't any tears in me. What can I do now that the ondansetron isn't working? I can't think properly. sad

MurderOfBanshees Thu 17-Oct-13 20:03:51

Sick Steroids seems to be the next step after Ondansetron. Might be worth asking your gp?

The nausea is now at a bearable level for me, so managing food and drink. Getting the typical SPD pain though, so no real break.

jenpatnim Thu 17-Oct-13 20:33:02

God, everyone is feeling so rotten! I am so sorry! I have nausea going on but no vomiting, so I should count myself extremely lucky. I am totally knackered, though.

Lucinda, the wedding is on 4th July, and so baby will be there! I can't wait, I would marry OH tomorrow.

Champagnebubble Thu 17-Oct-13 20:52:49

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ChocChaffinch Thu 17-Oct-13 21:49:50

I have a thing for cheese too - think It's because yogurt and milk are uneatable and body knows it needs the calcium from somewhere smile

sorry so much sicknesss

hold on, sick n span - how much doseage of ondansatron are you on? sorry it's not working so far, I occasionally throw up if I let my tummy empty whilst taking it
lactulose easier for me to take via a bottle slurp rather than the cup thingy - bit of a rough measure but far less heaving..

ChocChaffinch Thu 17-Oct-13 21:52:14

aaaahhhh Jen 4th July lovely summery date

and a cute little baby! such beautiful wedding outfits available for LO's the clothes in asda and mothercare and tkmaxx at the min are gorgeous. asda has some girl's leggings with bunny faces on the knees..too cute! tkMaxx has little Christmassy party dresses in red with ruffles and sequins...

<reminds self may be a boy>

SicknSpan Thu 17-Oct-13 22:10:02

Been on 4mg 3 X a day, meltlets. now been given 1 x 16mg suppository a day. Can't remember what dose i had with ds1 or ds2. My stomach hurts so much from retching sad

jenpatnim Thu 17-Oct-13 22:53:05

Mine is a boy, Choc.

Ugh I feel so sick tonight...... save me..... am afraid to go upstairs in case I barf.

Sally8655 Thu 17-Oct-13 23:16:34

Sorry your all so poorly. Not alot of relief for anybody right now it seems.
Eggy- babybel was a thing for me early on, would eat about 5 a day. As it was the only thing I ate, i was pleased to be able to manage something. Can't stand the sight of them now.

Jen- July wedding sounds lovely! Very excited for you xx

I'm still suffering :-(
Had appointment with midwife this morning, was not impressed at all with her. Waited 30 min past my appointment slot, when I did get to see her she didn't have time to do anything but measure my belly. No urine check or anything. She wasn't even going to give my my mat b1 form until I pushed for it. She didn't have time to give me my diabetes results and asked me to make my next consultant appointment as she was running late! Fuming!

Baby is measuring large so scan in 3 weeks time. Physio for SPD and PGP arranged as I'm in agony. Finally managed to go to the loo though!
Really suffering with nausea and sickness. And my mouth tastes like I've been sucking coins.

So totally fed up really :-(

eggybrokenoff Fri 18-Oct-13 07:51:17

oh god everyone is having such a rough time.
sick n if it carries on that bad maybe they should admit you to rehydrate you and try some
other treatments?
hope today is better for everyone

jenpatnim Fri 18-Oct-13 07:56:52

Ugh Sally you are not having an easy time.

I did vomit last night, and still feel nauseated today. We'll see how work goes, yay. At least it is Friday.

Sally8655 Fri 18-Oct-13 09:40:07

Jen hope work passes quickly, still don't know how you do it xx

tryingtokeeppositive Fri 18-Oct-13 10:12:37

Agree with Sally, don't know how you're working Jen. Hope it goes quickly x

Sickness is back today with a vengeance. The dr gave me buccal tablets which I swear are making me so much worse. Getting migraines now too.

Here's to a better day for everyone x

SicknSpan Fri 18-Oct-13 10:18:18

Do your tastes change daily? Today all I can think of is ice cold grapefruit...guess what's chilling in the freezer...

Totesamazeballs Fri 18-Oct-13 12:27:15

Hi all. Sounds like a rough patch for everyone. Hugs all round.

I think I know why I felt so bad yesterday..brewing another cold. Got sore throat and think DS has too, plus he is teething with molars so having disturbed nights. DH is away until Monday. Not the best timing but then when is!?

Also, anyone else finding themselves very short tempered? I am really struggling to keep a lid on it!

And yes, tastes change daily. What I can face one day is off limits the next.

Tallyra Fri 18-Oct-13 13:04:29

I definitely had trouble with being angry last week before it started to let up. I'm usually calm and nice, and I was snappy with my mum a lot. made me.feel really bad as she's helping me so much.

Sally8655 Fri 18-Oct-13 13:48:56

Sicknspan- my tastes change every few hours. I thinking what I can maybe eat in the morning and by afternoon I can't eat it.

Totes, I've actually become a but more laid back. Just because I can't be bothered due to feeling so tired and poorly. There have been moments of breakdown from time to time.

I'm really surprised with myself today. Felt yuk when woke up but really wanted to get some stuff done. So I've prepared a full on home cooked dinner for hubby this evening! I can't quite believe it. I've done slow cooked beef in red wine sauce with all the appropriate veg. This is the first time I've managed to cook since may. I used to love cooking and baking so I'm chuffed. I even went as far as making steak sandwiches with fried onions and mushrooms for lunch. The first real meat ive eaten in months. It was amazing!
I'm now exhausted and cosied up on the sofa with a blanket. Much nicer day than I've had lately :-)

I hope you all get a day like this soon. I kind of feel normal for a change xxx

eggybrokenoff Fri 18-Oct-13 14:30:23

totes i am the grumpiest cow around. really struggling to be patient with dcs.

sal i couldnt do that when well and healthy - am useless. so well done!

ChocChaffinch Fri 18-Oct-13 14:47:05

Ive been v headachy
hormones changing?

16+ 3

tryingtokeeppositive Fri 18-Oct-13 17:04:21

My god Sally that sounds amazing.

Today has just been long. That's all I have the energy to write!

SicknSpan Fri 18-Oct-13 19:36:46

Good going Sally!

Proud of myself. Have kept down 5 grapefruit segments and two apricot halves in juice, as well as two teaspoonfuls of tuna sweetcorn mayo sandwich filler. Yay me!

Have been prescribed some ondansetron suppositories instead of the meltlets. One per day,16mg. When do you think the best time to take them would be? As it's only once a day I am worried that it will start to wear off towards the 24 hours. First thing in the morning?

Hyperhelpmum Fri 18-Oct-13 20:31:04

Hi all sorry to hear things are getting to people sad hardly surprising. It's so grim. I had a few good weeks between weeks 24 and 32 but now feeling almost constantly sick at 36 weeks sad so depressing. I'm on ranitidine for heart burn but spend all day belching, breaking wind and feeling sick. Sorry TMI! I know it's not its not long now (c section at 39 wks) but being back in nausea land is NOT nice. Funny some of you can eat cheese. Cheese on toast was one of the ONLY things I could eat for two months. Chins up off bathroom floor everyone. We can do this!

jenpatnim Fri 18-Oct-13 20:56:33

Vomiting in work - running to bathroom between classes - was the highlight of the day. I am still feeling nauseated now, although I am going to try to eat some dinner. I think there is nothing else for it but to go back on the meds, which sucks.

Sally8655 Fri 18-Oct-13 22:21:13

Hyper- hoping things pick up for you again, especially in this last leg of the journey xx

Jen- oh no! Sounds awful. Think you need meds and some sick leave xx

My dinner was lush, first time I've enjoyed veggies for months. Feeling yuk again now. It's the metal taste that's making me gag. Nothing works, it just gets worse the more I try to shift it.
Hoping for a better nights sleep after my busy day xxx

Hyperhelpmum Sat 19-Oct-13 07:52:00

Sally the foul taste has also returned (sorry to be bearer of bad news!) different now as a very bitter taste like I gave eaten the pith of a lemon and only when I eat or drink. It's vile. May be indegestion related I think. Hope everyone has an ok day. I've woken up feeling queasy and stomach discomfort. Can't decide if this is hyperemesis or a bug. The fact that I can eat suggests the former sad

I found you all, after a few busy baby weeks. My little one is 12 weeks today. I've renamed myself skinny minnie because I'm breastfeeding still so seem to be losing the baby weight that I never put on confused. Also seem to be getting quite a few viruses as my reserves got so depleted I suppose so my Big Advice is to try to get vitamins in FTC if possible now and if not as soon as the HG subsides, even if its just when your babies arrive as it was for me.

Sending positive thoughts to you all, it's such a bloody horrible thing to have to go through but it is so worth it in the end. I'm now rewarded with face splitting smiles from my little one and its just lovely.

Keep on keeping on smile

Bezzabelle Sat 19-Oct-13 09:25:05

Only just found this thread.... I'm 7+ 2 weeks pregnant with 2nd and excessive vomiting started at week 5, a whole week earlier than with ds. I am on meds which seemed to reduce the sickness to start with but this week has been really rough. I even cancelled an early scan yesterday as couldn't face leaving the house. Was throwing up till past 10pm last night and started again this morning. Mouth tastes of sour milk at the moment. This is miserable. Got a flu jab at 10.40 and not sure how I'm going to get dressed for it. DH just cheerfully reminded me that I've ONLY got 8 weeks left probably( sickness stopped at 16 weeks with ds) thanks for that, struggling to think how ill get through the next 8 hours...... So sorry for the long rant. Hope everyone has better day.

Tallyra Sat 19-Oct-13 10:00:12

hi bezza. hang on there, one day at a time. I've managed to get to 14w being on the sofa all day every day, but now its starting to let up it's much easier to cope with. you can do it!

Bezzabelle Sat 19-Oct-13 11:12:16

I just want to be put to sleep for 8 weeks!

tryingtokeeppositive Sat 19-Oct-13 11:35:43

Bezzabelle - I said the same thing last night.

Totesamazeballs Sat 19-Oct-13 12:21:29

Lol! I asked my husband so many times if he could just knock me out for a few weeks! Sorry to hear about tough times everyone and congrats to wavesandsmiles! Those newborn days are so precious.

Sicknspan, I didn't take ondansetron so not sure how to advise but others on here should be able to help.

Bezzabelle - sounds horrendous. I was certainly like that in the first trimester. Didn't leave the house. Not easy though when you have a small one to consider too.

I took mine swimming this morning. Was a bit of a disaster - teacher didn't show and DS didn't really want to do anything other than run round the edge of the pool. and I ended up crying on the way home because to top it off I forgot to get a ticket, even though the parking is free, and got a £50 fine. I have a cold and couldn't sleep for it last night so I am blaming emotions on that. thlsad

I had garlic bread for dinner last night. Healthy.....

Bezzabelle Sat 19-Oct-13 12:32:47

Just had a bowl of mash potato.....cannot wait to eat something other than beige food (bread, potato products and cereal) and jelly which is my staple diet at the moment!

Meerka Sat 19-Oct-13 12:37:01

Hi bezzebelle and everyone. sounds like a wave of bad days hit us all sad

Lovely to hear wavesandsmiles

sick, if you have regularly have good times of the day like mornings, what about taking the ondansetron about an hour before the sickness draws in again? then it'll be working when you get sick, and with any luck it'll wear off during your good time anyway. Or if youré steadily sick, maybe first thing in the morning so it wears off while you're asleep.

tryingtokeeppositive Sat 19-Oct-13 12:38:28

I'm getting a bit cheeky with my eating, as dry foods are not satisfying me at all!

Last night I had a mega NEED for a Domino's Hawaiian pizza. Yeah, I did it. Yeah, I threw some of it back up. But it was totally worth it.

Sally8655 Sat 19-Oct-13 13:15:38

Haha trying, that's exactly what I do!

jenpatnim Sat 19-Oct-13 14:08:50

Hey guys. Great to see waves and hear how good it is after all the pain! I took the meds again last night and feel a little better today. I think I will stick to half a dose and see how I get on.

I have been craving the most unhealthiest foods! Chips, KFC, pizza.... OH thinks it is hilarious as normally I like to cook healthyish meals and I haven't been cooking at all, just putting crap in the oven and devouring it or getting takeaway.

Sally8655 Sat 19-Oct-13 14:24:41

Jen, def stick with the meds till your safe!

I'm not really able to eat processed foods so takeaway is out for now. I am loving my veggies though. Soups especially. I've currently got a home made veg broth with shin of beef simmering for dinner this evening. Was ok with beef the other day so hoping its still safe tonight. So funny how excited I am about parsnip, carrot and swede :-)

jenpatnim Sat 19-Oct-13 14:46:44

that sounds good, Sally... just wish I had the energy to prepare stuff like that!

LucindaE Sat 19-Oct-13 15:40:25

Welcome, Bezzabelle. Sorry you had such a bad night, glad you were able to eat something. My usual query, have you got kesostix to check for dehydration as you must have been dehydrated after all that? I hope the food counteracted it. How do you find jelly and ice lollies for helping with liquids? Was it peach squash everyone was drinking on here just a while ago?
Hyper So sorry you feel so awful, it's not at all fair, thank goodness you have only weeks to go. I hope you are on ML now? Never worry about tmi on here, that wind sounds awful but at least you can make others suffer too that way,aren't I mean. Lol about chins up from the bathroom floor!
Waves Lovely to hear from you, twelve weeks already, your awful sufferings seemed endless, sorry you are vulnerable to viruses, I suppose no surprise when you were ill for so long.
Jen That sounds awful. I am wondering if some people haven't got a bug as well as Hyperemesis, there is a dramatic puking one going about.
SicknSpan Ondanstron suppositories sound good - I do hope they give some relief. When do you suffer most, might be the best time to take them? That might sound like a silly question if it's throughout day and night.
Tallyra Totes You have every right to be snappy. I am sure mothers understand.
Trying Totes I know Totes had at least one mmc, and sorry, Trying did you say you 'd had one - I was very nervous because I had one only a month before conceiving, but all was fine. It's natural to be really nervous and have 'bad feelings'. Hugs.
Sally I am glad about physio, but it's bad they didn't check your urine, I don't care if they were busy! I so agree about veg soup being wonderful when recovering from this horror.
Champage Hello! Hope y ou are feeling Okay-ish?
Choc I so agree! Lol about a bottle swig of lactalouse, as if you were addicted to it...
Murder SPD, poor you, how grim.
Christmas Present A lovely person nominated me for a Christmas present, as I'm usually on here I'm guessing it was someone on here and I wanted to say, thank you, that is so sweet. Hugs.
Apologies to anyone rudely over looked.
Lucinda
xx

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eggybrokenoff Sat 19-Oct-13 15:44:01

i am also on the beige carbs spectrum with occassional forays into ice cream. i just cant face normal butritious food. chips seem to be the only guaranteed safe food at the mo.
so sorry it is so crap for everyone. mine has settled into a pattern of not too bad in am, but even with extra ondansetron doses the nausea builds in the afternoon and am often sick in evening. if i have managed a rest in the day i am sometimes not as bad in pm but usually it is sickness and being unable to face dinner. so depressing grazing on shite all day then being unable to eat whatever dh has cooked.

Bezzabelle Sat 19-Oct-13 16:14:42

This ondansetron seems popular on here, my gp prescribed promethazine.....anyone else on these or tried them? They seem to be glorified sleeping tablets as just totally knock me out- I take one at night and they have stopped the 3am vomiting but then sickness starts at 7am and I suffer all day. Thinking about going back and asking for something else??

It's weird how all different for food tastes whilst suffering- I'm totally off veggies and the thought of soup makes me gag! Oven chips, mash potato and bagels are all I want. Struggle with liquid until the evening so probably am dehydrated most of the day Lucinda. Can't wait to feel better and go out for a lovely meal and actually look forward to eating rather than doing it to survive! God, I'm whiny today, sorry guys will try better when having a good day!

eggybrokenoff Sat 19-Oct-13 16:20:03

hi bezza - you sound like me. the mere thought of soup makes me retch. i am all dry carbs - ryveta, toast, dry cereal. fruit and veg comes straight back up.
i miss food so much. eating with family and friends, enjoy a takeaway, cooking a nice meal. its tough

caramellokoalalover Sat 19-Oct-13 16:25:20

Just wanted to pop on and cheer on all those suffering from HG at the minute. I couldn't have got through my last pg without this thread. Lucinda and all the other people's support was amazing, and suggestions at what to nibble on were always brill when I was all out of inspiration.
I'll def take a sec to extra appreciate the fact I don't heave when someone in our house opens the fridge door.
So happy to see Lucinda that you've been nominated for a Christmas present smile
Hope everybody has a period of respite from the dreaded hg, however brief, soon.

Bezzabelle Sat 19-Oct-13 16:29:41

I want to be glowing!! Instead I look pale, gaunt and a mess- haven't straightened my hair or put on make up for 2 weeks and have had to cancel everything in my diary for weeks including all my ds's play dates. I feel I am letting my work down by not being there and leaving my colleagues to deal with my caseload. I'm an emotional wreck today and although have lots of lovely friends, none of them have been through this and don't really understand and keep referring to it as morning sickness- grrrrh! Keep looking at my ds and think its all worth it in the end.

Meerka Sat 19-Oct-13 17:02:27

Bezza, there's a sort of hierarchy of meds.

cyclizine or promethazine, plus vit B6 are the first line of defense. they often seem to be prescribed together. Metaclopramide is the second. that\s definitely a sleepy-making one, I think promethazine makes you sleepy too. These have all been pretty heavily studied and are reckoned to be fine.

Top of the pile is ondansetron. Doctors leave it for the last line of defense becuase 1) its expensive 2) it bungs you up terribly 3) its actually very powerful (its main use is as an anti sickness drug in chemotherapy), and well, doctors like to give as little as poss when you're pregnant. There are a coupel of other drugs used too.

This link is good about meds: www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/help/treatments/

in fact that website generally is good and the organisation excellent. They have a number you can ring and leave a message on and they will get back to you, the doctor is very experienced in dealing with HG.

Bezzabelle Sat 19-Oct-13 17:16:21

Thanks meerka, I'm so glad I found this thread. I do worry about meds and how safe they are to baby. I would hate to think I was doing any damage to baby just because I can't cope with throwing up 20 times a day!

SicknSpan Sat 19-Oct-13 18:10:11

Hello bezza. There's no "just" about throwing up 20 times a day. It's potentially dangerous. A lovely Dr recently said that as no meds are officially authorised in pregnancy, but lots widely accepted and prescribed, we just need to make sure that the benefits to mums quality of life outweigh the risks. Throwing up that often is no life for for you. Can you see if your Dr will prescribe something else?

eggybrokenoff Sat 19-Oct-13 18:14:56

its also dangerous to your health and therefore the health of the baby. if you wind up dangerously dehydrated there is a risk to the pregnancy. it is def weighing up the risks and benefits. fwiw i took ondansetron for 9 months last time and my almost two year old is fine. of course there may be long term consequences no one knows about but we both emerged from the pregnancy healthy and that was better than what woukd have happened without drugs x

SicknSpan Sat 19-Oct-13 18:31:50

Quite right eggy. Both my boys (8 and 5) were ondansetron babies from about 6wks. This third one looking like it will be too. <barfs noisily>

Bezzabelle Sat 19-Oct-13 18:46:59

Thanks guys, reassuring. It is nerve wracking though when you read the leaflet! It's only been 8 times today- bonus!! Just eating more mash potato!

eggybrokenoff Sat 19-Oct-13 18:57:16

gah we went to farmers market today and my mean dh and parents are sat around scoffing unpasturised runny cheese and liver pate. i am sat with a dry cracker. boo

MurderOfBanshees Sat 19-Oct-13 19:14:32

LucindaE You utterly deserve it my darling grin You look after us so well!

LucindaE Sat 19-Oct-13 20:55:24

Murder of Banshees Why, thanks, that is so sweet of you. Hope you are still slightly better rather than worse? Oh dear everyone is suffering rather badly at the moment, too.
Caramel Lovely to hear from you, and thanks so much for stopping by to encourage and your kind words!
Looks about anxiously, waving a kesotik...
Lucinda
xx

MurderOfBanshees Sat 19-Oct-13 20:58:07

Seem to have caught a little break from the nausea, still not great in the evenings, but nothing like how it has been. Even a weeks break is appreciated right now.

Unfortunately the SPD is definitely here already, so moving around is getting painful, but I'd take the pain over the nausea any day, even without painkillers!

LucindaE Sat 19-Oct-13 21:11:55

MOG I'm glad the nausea is giving you a well deserved break. I've heard that SPD can be so painful, there' s another hormonal connection, isn't there? There was a woman on this thread who had to crawl upstairs or get OH to carry her. Sounds very romantic, but not when she felt envy.
Lucinda
xx

MurderOfBanshees Sat 19-Oct-13 21:13:30

Oh yes, I did crawling up the stair last time around. Only way to manage it. I'm really hoping we get moved after Xmas, being out of the flat would make life much easier.

ChocChaffinch Sat 19-Oct-13 21:13:52

mine's been hideous last 3 days in particular for no rhyme or reason

ondansatron lulls me, I forget to take it then feel utterly sick when I remember, so rush to take it - is the fear of puking making me too reliant on it?

Bezzabelle Sat 19-Oct-13 21:17:19

For those of you who are signed off from work, can I ask how long for? I'm half way through my 4 week sick note and thinking I'm going to need longer but have the worst guilt about it.....

Tallyra Sat 19-Oct-13 21:29:09

bezza, I've been off since week 5 and I'm 14 now. hoping to go back after half term.

Bezzabelle Sat 19-Oct-13 21:31:46

Tallyra- have your work been understanding about it then?

eggybrokenoff Sat 19-Oct-13 21:36:30

i am a sahm currently but with ds1 i had weeks and weeks and weeks off. my work were incredibly good about it

jenpatnim Sat 19-Oct-13 21:47:16

Hey all. I am not well at all. I drank some diet coke earlier and the acid feeling at the back of my throat has been horrendous all evening. I feel awful now, so queasy I can't eat again. I have eaten enough today to keep the ketones at bay for a while, but I don't think I can survive on one dose of meds a day, which I had hoped I could do.

I feel so disappointed, I was doing so well and I thought I was kind of past this. But I just feel so ill and tired, it isn't fair. I have one more week of work then half term, but if I don't get the meds sorted by Monday I don't know if I will be in.

Lucinda, I can't think of anyone who deserves a Christmas present more than you, you are such a help on here. It wasn't me because, frankly, I didn't know Mumsnet did that, lol.

Everyone else, it sucks that we are all suffering. I suppose the only tiny consolation is that every week brings us one week closer to reward and relief with baby... even though we may get respite in between (or be lulled into a false sense of security by drugs like I was), we know that the end of the road is day by day getting closer.

I am at 23+1 today.

eggybrokenoff Sat 19-Oct-13 21:57:52

jen there is no shame being on the drugs if you need them. i was popping ondansetron in labour! i dont know how you are managing teaching must be one of the hardest jobs with this illness. can you get signed off another week after half term to get yourself back on track?
i lived in coke last pg - cant face it at all this time comes right back up. old fashioned style lemonade is currently working for me.
i really hope it eases soon x

jenpatnim Sat 19-Oct-13 22:01:32

eggy, I've been teaching 12 years, it seems like all I know at this point! It is hard, but, I moved school 3 years ago to a much better, nicer environment, so no matter how stressful it is, it still isn't a patch on what I left behind!

Champagnebubble Sat 19-Oct-13 22:23:56

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Bezzabelle Sat 19-Oct-13 22:35:40

Thanks all, when pg with ds, I only had two weeks off, went back to work when still poorly and ending up passing out in my office with really low blood sugars so ambulance had to be called- am sure they won't want that again!

Meerka Sun 20-Oct-13 08:38:09

I'm with MoG ... no one deserves a nomination more'n Lucinda! The xmas treat is a lovely idea smile

jen, sorry to hear you are worse sad

family is home today from a trip to the UK, relatives and friends and the Lake District which I had to miss <cries>. Be so glad to see them back. CVS test for downs tomorrow. Hope I'm not being too optimistic but now I've got to 12 weeks and the chance of MC is less, I feel the chances are good that all will be well with the CVS.

Tallyra Sun 20-Oct-13 08:54:45

good luck meerka!
bezza, they have been great. I'm school support staff and my boss has just had an IVF baby so she understands how important this is. I also have a history of mmcs that they are aware of, I'm very glad they are ok with me.

LucindaE Sun 20-Oct-13 09:48:47

Thanks, Everyone for such kind words! I wish I could do more,you are such a lovely brave lot.
Jen You poor thing, battling on, I agree with others, however does anyone teach and keep control of a classroom with this horror? Jen do you remember poor RNB saying she had to be sick out of the classroom window now and then, that really is embarrasing blush. I found diet coke made me sick, it had to be flat and the full sugar sort, the sugar seemed to help, but this varies so much between people.
MOB I do so hope you get a move asap.
Tallyra Thank goodness work is sympathetic. That makes all the difference in the world.
Back soon.
Lucinda
xx

jenpatnim Sun 20-Oct-13 11:01:56

I am hoping that the ondansetron will settle me enough that I won't be sick on Monday. Hoping, hoping..... I have only had 1 sick day this term and I don't want to miss more. Plus my year 12s are doing a controlled assessment and I want it finished before half term - a sub won't do that with them.

eggybrokenoff Sun 20-Oct-13 17:24:11

jen i really hope it works well for you and you feel better - early night for you i guess!

i have had the weirdest afternoon. went out this am and it wiped ne out and made me feel ill so i went to bed. i completely crashed out and then sort of woke cos i could hear the boys downstairs but carried on having crazy dreams - really bonkers. i feel all spaced out and weird now and not at all ready to face sunday night chaos of hairwash, uniform prep, shoes clean etc. need some get up and go from somewhere

SicknSpan Sun 20-Oct-13 18:47:18

Have some thanks eggy
Not looking forward to a very similar night here! How old are your other dc?

eggybrokenoff Sun 20-Oct-13 18:57:12

they are 4.5 and nearly 2. and ds1 is going to school in grubby shoes tomorrow!

ChocChaffinch Sun 20-Oct-13 20:04:43

gawd. this week has been shocking, vomiting whilst cleaning teeth - not happened last week, but it's back on..vomming prelunch..
ultimate power nausea, superhero scenting nostrils..so sick of it.
this eve ive also got a tough of the runs. flabbergasted.
am either fighting a low level bug, hg is rising in vengeance, or ive been swigging too much lactulose - but don't think I have...

feekerry Sun 20-Oct-13 20:21:05

how doing ladies??.... all okay i hope. just doing my weekly check in!
23+4 here now.
Jen i find i just cannot eat in the evenings anymore otherwise i feel like you describe!
my eating stops about 5pm for the day as along with a solid bump i just feel like i can't eat or i will chuck.
still doing okay in the day but still taking the big o.
tho only 1 a day now.
everyone else okay??x

LucindaE Sun 20-Oct-13 20:28:49

Feekerry Lovely to hear from you, I wish it had really gone off with you, glad it is at least a lot better than it was.
Oh dear, suffering all round. Choc I hope it's a bug, and Jen I hope that the meds help before Monday and SicknSpan and Eggy gentle cyber pats always on offer. Tallyra MOG and Everyone I hope coping.
Lucinda
xx

SicknSpan Sun 20-Oct-13 20:42:07

Quick question Ladies- my tongue is all white and furry, brushing not helping. Is this a hyperemesis thing? Tongue a bit sore today but have put this down to too much acid sad

ChocChaffinch Sun 20-Oct-13 21:03:47

my tongue def furrier.

thanks lucy-luce XX

ChocChaffinch Sun 20-Oct-13 21:12:58

do you think we could email university science/biomed dept and explain we're a group of pg HG sufferers, happy to be quizzed to expand the body of knowledge?

MurderOfBanshees Sun 20-Oct-13 21:14:57

sick I might be wrong, but I think it's related to dehydration, sure I've had doctors tell me that its a sign before..

choc That's tempting!

Bezzabelle Sun 20-Oct-13 22:31:56

Yep I reckon furry tongue is sign of dehydration too.

Not a good day, didn't manage to get in the bath till this evening and all fresh and clean until 5 mins ago when I just vomitted into my hair.....nice. It's 10.30pm, if one more person asks how my 'morning sickness' is, I'll scream! Going back to dr tomor and asking for the big guns!

jenpatnim Mon 21-Oct-13 08:02:19

Well I am off to work ... let's hope I manage ok! Don't feel too sick, but am really tired. I didn't sleep well last night at all.

Bezza, get yourself those meds, you need them.

Everyone else, have a good day.

eggybrokenoff Mon 21-Oct-13 08:24:31

good luck jen and everyone else facing a tough monday.

i was violently and suddenly sick last night and burned all my throat with stomach acid - bleurgh. feeling weak and drained today but going to try and have a normal day for ds2 sake - i feel he is getting a crap deal at the moment being with me. im not managing to be a very fun mummy sad

LucindaE Mon 21-Oct-13 09:28:54

SickandSpan I am cocerned that you are dehydrated - mother hen wants to know what them there kesostix say? Of course, if you've been there before, you are the expert, but cluck cluck, is urine dark, head aching, skin dry etc. So glad you are going back to dr's.
Who was it who said they were being sick ten times a day? Trying?
I became very dehydrated on that.
Eggy Good idea - someone, I think Flowery or Glossyflower did tell me that a consultant was using our thread for his research already, but a ready made research group is potentially really useful!
Jen Sorry you are tired - not what you need first thing on Monday morning.
Hoe Evreyone is coping.
Lucinda
xx

SicknSpan Mon 21-Oct-13 09:38:49

Ah Lucinda you are nice, thanks for being concerned enough to cluck! Ketostix not showing much thankfully and I don't feel especially dehydrated, wee a bit dark but not terrible. Managing to get by on freshly squeezed orange juice and grapefruit segments too.

Perhaps it is oral thrush?

I have an additional problem now though - think I have a tear in my throat. During a really forcefully vom session before bed last night, I brought up some fresh blood in with the bile. My oesophagus is really sore now and feels bruised- anyone else had this?

LucindaE Mon 21-Oct-13 10:59:12

SicknSpan I remember this and do still get this with violent puking with migraines - I think if it's red blood its probably from the throat as a rule of thumb - particularly if your throat feels raw - but if it's brown, that's a medical emergency. It's horrible, though, seeing blood in the vomit. I think the stomach muscles get bruised or something with the strain.
Still, you sholdn't be vomiting to the point of bringing up blood at all if you are on meds and for sure they should change them to something more effective.
Lucinda
xx

eggybrokenoff Mon 21-Oct-13 16:23:54

hope everyone is being well looked after.
i am trying to be a bit more positive as i have been feeling really blue lately and it isnt helping.
so positive things i have thought of. i am not failing to do things, i am doing a massive thing which is sapping all my energy. dh cant do it, so its no hardship for him to do the cooking. and the shopping. and the washing. and everything else. also ds2 is not missing out he is getting a baby sibling so he doesnt have to be the youngest and get the crappiest hand me downs. i managed to eat some chocolate orange cake. practically fruit. progress indeed! i am getting towards 10 weeks which is a quarter of the way there. anyone else want to join positive pregnancying or do you all need iced squash and sympathy for now?

jenpatnim Mon 21-Oct-13 16:27:47

Sicknspan, I agree with Lucinda, you need to get on stronger meds to control that vomiting. You can't sustain that.

I made it through the day, although had a panic at breaktime when I couldn't find my tablets. It was terrible, but then I found them in my other bag. Thank goodness, I had just accepted I couldn't go medicine free and then to not have the medicine....... meep.

4 years with OH today, so feeling rather loved up. Can't believe the last year has seen so many changes... this time last year I was wondering where we were going and if he was ready for a commitment, and here I am now, engaged and pregnant. LOL I think my question was answered! This time next year (actually a lot sooner) I'l be a wife and a mummy. He bought me a wee surprise present of charms for my Pandora bracelet, a teddybear with a blue ribbon and a charm saying Mum. I kind of want to keep them until the baby is born, though....

jenpatnim Mon 21-Oct-13 17:00:43

Eggy, you are SO SO SO right. smile

SicknSpan Mon 21-Oct-13 17:48:34

Ha ha eggy why is it always bloody iced? cold is just no good it has to be iced so I can crunch it too. Spot on.

I like your positive thinking. I am growing a whole new person - that one always makes me feel like I'm achieving something.

Jen that's lovely of your OH.

I'd love to get stronger meds but already on one answer on. Gp says this is as good as it can get sad Maybe I should ask to see the consultant and see what he says? Brain not working properly I don't think! Although I've had a good day today, managed to keep my beloved grapefruit down. Have lost a stone in the last 3 weeks, my bestie at work is on hols and will be agog when she gets back ;)

SicknSpan Mon 21-Oct-13 17:50:19

ONDANSETRON. Not one answer on. Bloomin phone.

eggybrokenoff Mon 21-Oct-13 17:51:41

yup cold not a patch on iced for staying power!

jen - awwww that is v sweet of your oh. and well done getting throught the day

sick n does that say one ondansetron? im on 4 a day at mo - meant to be cutting down to 3.

SicknSpan Mon 21-Oct-13 18:05:08

Was on 3 X 4mg, now on 1x 16mg. (suppository, nice!) Has definitely slowed sickness in the main but yesterday for example I was still sick about ten times. A couple were the really bad bringing up black stuff sessions. Off work today being quiet and still and a bit better, but have a big meeting at work tomorrow that I've been saving myself for. Really scared.

Bezzabelle Mon 21-Oct-13 18:32:28

Sick- the best treatment for hg apart from drugs is rest, rest, rest. I know how hard it is to give in to it but maybe you should have time off work?

Midwife just rang me- apparently blood tests came back saying my haemogoblin levels are high..... Just looked it up and it can be to do with dehydration. Anyone else had this?

jenpatnim Mon 21-Oct-13 19:29:21

Bezza, I know that they said there was something with my blood tests one of the times I was admitted - the blood had haematised? I assumed that is something similar, it meant they were unable to run all of the tests they wanted to because the blood was basically useless to them. That was also down to dehydration.

Sally8655 Mon 21-Oct-13 22:13:22

Sorry you guys are all so sick, I'm feeling yuk too.

Jen that's so lovely! I'd wear them now. You deserve it xx

Had a day on my own, fending for myself as dh had to work at the office.
Managed lunch and stuck with icy cold lemonade as my fluids. Not healthy i know but I did try and swig the odd gulp of water now and then.
Sat on the sofa in my blanket all day working on my tapestry for the nursery. Now got blisters all over my fingers from the constant rubbing against the hessian rug I'm making. I was at it all day and my back is killing me. I must find a more comfortable way to sit but every position seems to squish my enormous bump.

Is anybody else getting pressure type bed pain from lying on their side while sleeping? I try to alternate sides but I wake up with the most unbearable pain all the way down whichever side I've been sleeping on. Pillows etc dont help.
I'm averaging about 8 times waking up during the night now and have black eyes from the lack of sleep. I really do look ill.

On the food front, it's still veggies and salad all the way for me. Tomorrow gona try fruit again to try and change things up a bit. Can eat crisps again too! And managed to watch come fine with me without going to puke! I'd say that's improvement. I'll be 27 weeks on Thursday, think its passing over a bit more quickly now. I'm still sick quite alot but as time goes on I'm sensing light at the end on the tunnel.

Thinking of you all xxx

Bezzabelle Mon 21-Oct-13 22:57:04

27 weeks.....bugger, at risk of sounding diva-esque, I will die if this sickness hell lasts longer than the 16 weeks it did with ds!! How are you coping????

jenpatnim Tue 22-Oct-13 07:54:56

Sally, don't worry about whether the lemonade is healthy or not. If it stays down and helps, then drink it by the gallon!

Bezza, one day at a time!

eggybrokenoff Tue 22-Oct-13 08:09:47

sally i really admire you carrying on with craft. i got a beautiful new knitting project for my birthday and i just cant even face starting it. i also have a little baby cardi i started for ds1 - its not finished! i have to do it for dc3 cos this is definitely it!

impressed you are eating veggies. still junk for me. i tried cauliflower last night and puked it straight back up - horrible texture!

struggling to be positive today. have had a headache fpr two days now, nausea is awful though only really puking once a day. and wee is really dark. and i am so so tired all the bloody time but having really broken sleep and weird dreams. not sure if that is drugs, hg, or normal early pg. but its tiring.

Bezzabelle Tue 22-Oct-13 09:38:10

I woke up this morning (at my mums where ds and I are staying during the week to be looked after) and didn't feel sick!!! Felt relieved and then panicked! However, an hour after eating my cereal, all just came back up again and now got that familiar sour milk taste in my mouth!

Meerka Tue 22-Oct-13 10:06:29

uff hard time for everyone!

I'm bucking the trend to actually be slightly better now. Not good, but definitely a lot better than 3 weeks ago.

Bezza, a number of people seem to improve around 21 weeks. Not as good news as you'd like, but better'n nothing. its really very few super-unlucky people get it the whole time like Sally.

two more bits of good news for me: the CVS scan went well, just have to take it easy (as if i can do anything else atm) and we get the results in 7 days' time.

and a doctor at the hospital near us, who previously refused to prescribe anything at all, has at last given me some metraclopramide and it's definitely helping. I was in the middle of transferring to antoher hospital and then by luck got her in a phone call and she prescribed it without fuss. The key is clearly to deal with only her. The other doctors are worse than useless, misleading stone walls that they are. So I am delighted on both fronts. the metaclopramide also seems to make me sleepy which is a plus

hope everyone has not-too-bad a day.

LucindaE Tue 22-Oct-13 10:17:08

SicknSpan I don't want to worry you, but the doctors should know aboutthat black vomit, it sounds like the sort that needs checking as it indicates blood from the stomach. Mother hen hopes you'll contact them asap, sorry! I know they do try steroids if Ondanestron isn't working, they did with MOB and ten times a day is too much.
Eggy Sally and Everyone You are all doing the most important job in the world, the most skilled, and that make you special, besides being brave over this scourge. Sally Crafts as well as making baby is most admirable.
Jen That is sweet. I agree with others, cheer yourself up and wear it now.
Bezza Sorry about reoccurring cerreal., it's awful when that's a reassurance. I do hope you get relief soon - it's very hard on people when this misery hangs about up to the end.
Sorry to anyone rudely ignored.
Lucinda
xx

tryingtokeeppositive Tue 22-Oct-13 13:40:33

Hi all. I have a UTI and the sickness is just do rough as a result. Got my sick note today and have only been signed off for another week (I've had 2 off so far) which has panicked me as I feel so terrible. Can't face it. The vomiting is so violent today, I feel like my eyes are going to come out of my head.

Bring it on eh?

Hope everyone is okay today xxx

LucindaE Tue 22-Oct-13 13:53:24

Trying You poor thing, rest is the only thing when it's as bad as with you. Hugs.
Meerka Cross posted, sorry, delighted you've got some meds at last and I do so hope they help. I'm still outraged at the way they lied to you.
SicknSpanSorry to go on and on, but Mother hen is clucking again. Do get that black bile checked if the doctor doesn't know of it already.
Hope Everyone is coping today.
Lucinda
xx

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Tue 22-Oct-13 14:04:17

oh god trying UTI is the pits, feel for you

have eaten loads today in an effort to eat away the nausea.
just killed a choc orange bar, so all is good grin

saw MW today and zero keytones so although I can't really drink I must be getting enough from somewhere ...
also had flu shot,, my 1st one ever so will be interesting to see effects on HG and my general health

Hyperhelpmum Tue 22-Oct-13 14:31:59

Hi all, turns out my third trimester hyperemesis is likely to be caused by gallstones. Spent evening at labour ward bring monitored due to ongoing abdominal pain and very tight BH. Mentioned my increased sickness and consultant has booked me for a scan and prescribed omeprazanole (sp?!). Keep your eye out for this later on ladies as I have suffered on for weeks. Hoping this will provide some relief for my last 3 weeks!

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Tue 22-Oct-13 14:41:34

oh god HHM!! poor you. ouch. hope the drugs help

Meerka Tue 22-Oct-13 15:01:28

have you got some antibiotics trying ? of all the painful things you don't need right now :s

hyper, I guess at least you know why its worse again but oh man, talking about rotten luck .... really hope the meds help

Lucinda I don't know how I'm going to be civil to the other doctors if I see them. Got steam coming out of my ears. Thank heavens for this more up to date and caring doctor who prescribed me the metoclopramide. As it is, the last few days Im back in bed at 2pm, which is not so good as last week but much better than the last preg at this stage. Stopped loosing weight too, since getting the extra meds, yay.

Tallyra Tue 22-Oct-13 16:44:23

oh you poor thing hyper. my mum had gallstones and it was very painful. the only thing she could do while waiting for her op was not eat any fat at all, that kept it at bay. good luck!

eggybrokenoff Tue 22-Oct-13 19:13:44

hyper that sounds awful. i hope they can sort it out for you quickly. crappy thing to happen so near the finish line.

i just had a shock. just sat back down after throwing up and dh in all seriousness said 'i will only say this once but do you still feel this is worth it? i will support you if you cant go through with this'. quite a shock he would think it and say it. guess he is worried about me coping

Bezzabelle Tue 22-Oct-13 19:20:30

Eggy, I said to my dp last night that if we were to lose this baby, I would not put myself through this again especially as not been able to look after ds by myself. It would all be too fresh in my mind at how horrid it is throwing up so many times a day for so many weeks. I know it sounds terrible as I am sure there are so many women who would kill to be pregnant and suffering with sickness. God, I sound selfish but its so hard.

eggybrokenoff Tue 22-Oct-13 19:25:08

bezza i have had same thought. and then i feel awful and guilty that if anything does happen i will feel like i have brought it on. but whatever happens this is my last pregnancy i will never go through this again

Totesamazeballs Tue 22-Oct-13 19:37:43

Hi all!

Lots to catch up on but just wanted to pop in. I have had visitors over the weekend (and I managed to cook!) so feeling more like my old self. Still got the sour milk taste and gagging at some stuff but overall improving.

Still not got any energy but hoping that will come.

Sorry to hear of sufferings on top of the sickness. It's enough on its own, it really is.

Eggy - this is your third time isn't it? That is enough, people keep asking me if I am finished at two and if it weren't for the sickness I would say I was not but I don't know how I could manage this plus two kids. It makes me sad! Anyway, I am counting my chicken before he hatches...let's hope he does hatch and is healthy and well.

Sending vomming free vibes out to you all.

eggybrokenoff Tue 22-Oct-13 19:46:11

yep no 3. and i know once we tell people they will just think we are crazy and pushing our luck and shoukd have stopped. which is a sad thought too

MurderOfBanshees Tue 22-Oct-13 19:48:35

bezza DH asked me the other day what I'd do if I lost this baby sad I said same as you, I couldn't do it again, just couldn't.

Bezzabelle Tue 22-Oct-13 20:23:23

I couldn't say any of that in RL though as my brother and his partner have gone through 4 rounds of ivf, none of which have been successful.

SicknSpan Tue 22-Oct-13 22:14:45

We have had similar conversations. We had planned to stop at 2 because I was adamant that I couldn't go through another 9 months of this. Catastrophic conception failure. But we are where we are and want this baby lots now. But secretly I might be a bit relieved if the worst happened and this makes me feel like a terrible person. Like you bezza MN is the only place I could say this.
Managed to get through work and two very positive parents evening appointments, much sicko tonight though.

Sally8655 Tue 22-Oct-13 22:18:04

Meerka- so pleased you got meds a d scan was ok

Hyper- that must be awful, can only imagine the pain!

Totes- pleased your feeling a bit better :-)

I've had another day of puking and not managed to drink much so ketones are creeping up. Main focus tonight is to keep down some fluids and hopefully get some sleep!
I am so tired and just can't sleep at all. Kicks and movement are now really uncomfortable, almost constant. It's worse when I try to rest. So mixed with SPD, sciatica, constipation, peeing constantly and puking my guts up day and night, I'm fed up.
Oh and to top it all off I've now got some sort of eczema on my hands from constant hand washing due to far too many toilet trips.

My body is so not cut out for baby making. Never again!

Bezzabelle Tue 22-Oct-13 22:39:09

Why do some people sail through pregnancy feeling great and others suffer like us? Is there any research into this?? I know some friends think I'm just being wimpy and should just 'keep going' as 'will feel better once at work/out and about'!!!

Meerka Wed 23-Oct-13 08:27:56

oh dear sally ... god, you need a holiday from your own body sad I really hope things improve a bit soon

I'm joining the ranks of never, ever ever again. Well, I joined them after week 6! Getting my tubes tied after that. I think most, certainly many of us, have felt very much in two minds bezza. We want the baby so much, but the illness is just hell. Criticise, those who dare. If you've been through it, you know and won't criticise! It doesnt make you a terrible person. Just human.

Totesamazeballs Wed 23-Oct-13 08:43:09

It is hard talking to the masses about it as most people have suffered a bit of sickness so tell you they know about it but they don't really know about it at all.

Sally - I would be so fed up too. Awful!

eggybrokenoff Wed 23-Oct-13 08:44:54

oh meerka i've been seriously considering getting sterilised after this one - sicknspan scared me about relying on normal contraception!!

i really hope everyone gets a break soon. wouldnt it be lovely to get a little out of body experience once a week or so to have a little rest!

i think i will feel better once i can tell people. feels a bit isolating at the moment

Meerka Wed 23-Oct-13 09:00:14

We were being careful when our first one came along too, eggy. I knew there'd be a very slight risk from carelessness, so I even took the morning after pill as well.

Lets just say I was extremely surprised when the doctor I saw for something else entirely asked me if he could do a preg test. I thought it was a very odd thing to ask a female patient who was there for something totally different. But he came back with a +ve result and, well, he'd intuited it while I was still completely clueless [thishock]. Yay for elderly, almost retired male doctors!

MurderOfBanshees Wed 23-Oct-13 09:08:57

Both DS and DC2 are contraception failures, so definitely sterilisation after this. Doctor reckons the hyperemesis and the problems with contraception might be linked for me, as some versions of the pill also made me nauseas.

eggybrokenoff Wed 23-Oct-13 09:17:25

eggy books op for day after due date.....

MurderOfBanshees Wed 23-Oct-13 09:21:21

lol, I keep telling DH I want them to sterilise me the minute DC2 is out thlgrin

eggybrokenoff Wed 23-Oct-13 09:37:50

idly ponders planned c section to get both jobs done at once.....

LucindaE Wed 23-Oct-13 09:46:19

Oh dear, everyone, some suffering and misery gong on. But time does not stay still, slowly you are getting there, everyone.
SicknSpan You are somehow still working? How are people such tidy pukers? I wasn't...Mother hen is going to be very boring (she often is) and say she is still worried about the black bile vomits.
Lucinda
xx

SicknSpan Wed 23-Oct-13 11:10:28

Thanks Lucinda. Have Drs appt later for repeat of meds so will mention it then.
will only give me 5 days worth at a time so need to go back frequently.

I have a consultant appointment booked later on my pg as was just into porky bmi at 31. think that this has reduced now I have lost a stone. Do you reckon I should ask gp to refer me to consultant earlier I.e. now, so that I can ask about different sickness treatment options? like steroids?

SicknSpan Wed 23-Oct-13 11:13:25

Sorry everyone everyone for my awful grammar and spelling, I'm honestly quite articulate but I have a new phone and I am struggling to adjust to android technology after years of an iPhone!

Tallyra Wed 23-Oct-13 11:45:54

having done this 4 times now, even with nothing yet to show for it, I'm definitely not ever doing this again, whether it works this time or not. I told dh this and he agrees, although he doesn't want me to do anything drastic straight away.

Bezzabelle Wed 23-Oct-13 11:52:53

Tallyra, I'm so sorry, I don't know your story. I always believed that the sicker you are, the healthier the baby?

middleclassdystopia Wed 23-Oct-13 13:43:25

Hi there, I was wondering if I could join this thread.

I'm 15 weeks with dc3. I feel a bit of a fraud as I haven't vomited or been diagnosed with HG but I have been feeling awful with 24 hour nausea.

I went to GP at 7 weeks as I was bed bound feeling so ill and not eating but he just dismissed it as normal pregnancy symptoms.

I hung on, believing it would improve but at 15 weeks I still feel awful. I am getting down and more and more ambivalent about the baby despite my joy at the beginning sad

Maybe this isn't the right thread, some of you are suffering far worse. I really feel for you. I have gleaned support just from reading though because you are all so brave struggling through this.

LucindaE Wed 23-Oct-13 13:54:21

MiddleClasssystopia Wlecome, great name. Of course you are on the right thread, on meds as you are being bedbound. Don't despair, for the majority of women this does get better sometime between about fifteen and twenty weeks, it is only the lucky few he get much relief before. Sadly, some women do suffer throughout, but rarely as badly as at the beginning. The first tri is almost always the worst.
Are you able to get up at all? How are the liquids staying down? Are you checking regularly for dehydration with the vaunted kesostix?
Lucinda
xx

Meerka Wed 23-Oct-13 14:10:47

welcome smile the nausea is close to being the worst thing actually, many people say so. So yes, you are definitely welcome.

really, anyone who is having their life curtailed or made miserable by sickness, nausea or vomitting is welcome!

Also many of us have ambivilent moments .. Many of them. Oh I am so tired of people saying "you shoudl enjoy your pregnancy!" yeah, think I silently, you try enduring this nausea and then shout about how fun it is.

being in bed the whole time is def not normal!! You shoudl be able to get meds, you really should. have a look at this thread, its the NICE guidelines that doctors shoudl follow. Quality of life IS a consideration:

cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!scenariorecommendation:3

Apparently there is often a turning point around week 16, and another for people who are still very sick at week 21. (why then? heh). Only a few get the full on version for the entire preg. Heaven help them. So you may be only a week away, or it may be antoher 6 weeks ... a loooong time, I know. Hope it's soon for ya

Bezzabelle Wed 23-Oct-13 17:09:52

Just been back to dr....she has given me different drugs to try and once again on the leaflet, it says pregnant women should not take them! Does anyone else get scared about this??

Meerka Wed 23-Oct-13 17:29:25

which ones are they? Im sure they will be ok.

The drug companies cant test drugs' safety on preg women becuase of the ethical issues. So in theory, no drugs are licensed for use when you're pregnant. They cover their arses by saying 'not for use when preg'

Buuut ... in practice there are drugs that have been tried on animals and if proven safe there, here and there on humans over time and its built up until thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of women have taken these drugs. They record what, if any, problems have happened. If there are no bad effects, if if the babies are born fine with no more chance of something being wrong than normal, they are considered as OK.

The common drugs - cyclazine, B6, metoclopramide, etc have been used a long time and are considered ok. They weren't sure about ondansetron at first, they thought that there might be a slightly increased chance of cleft palate. But in Feb this year a huge study of 600,000 preg women was published in Denmark. 2,000 of those women took ondansetron and no increased risk was found. So it's considered fairly safe now for the baby as far as birth and any bad effects are concerned.

One proviso: no one exactly knows the long term effects of ondansetron which has been used for about 10 years now. There was a drug given for morning sickness in the Netherlands and they found after 25 years that the children of the mothers who had taken it were sterile. Its one of the reasons they are neurotically scared of giving tablets here. Btw, with the good quality drug trial procedures used now, thalidomide would never have been even tested on humans.

So in theory, no drug is guarenteed safe but some have been used so long and been so good that they are sure there are no ill effects. On the other hand they -do- know that severe dehydration is most certainly bad for mother and baby. You have to weigh up risks and choose the smaller one, which is what the more sensible doctors do. After all, some women end up being forced to consider and go for an abortion becuase of HG and that's the worst of all for the baby.

But becuase there has been no direct testing on preg women of drugs, in theory no drug is licensed for use on them. Its just that well, the common meds have been used for decades with no ill effect on many thousands of women.

So no, don't worry. The drug companies just cover their arses.

... im sure i could have been less longwinded .. !

Bezzabelle Wed 23-Oct-13 17:35:14

Wow, thanks for the in depth reply! Really helpful and reassuring.

Bezzabelle Wed 23-Oct-13 17:37:56

It's prochlorperazine

Meerka Wed 23-Oct-13 17:46:35

The National Guidelines for Clinical Excellence say that it's regularly prescribed: cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!prescribinginfosub:9

"What advice should I give to women about prochlorperazine?

Reassure the woman that prochlorperazine is suitable for use in pregnancy"

several countries have a sort of ranking system for drugs used while preg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_category but prochlorperazine doesnt appear to be given one. Its used in many countries though for preg sickness.

this is a good page too: www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/help/treatments/

I've had too much time in bed sick and bored and reading up smile

jellyandcake Wed 23-Oct-13 17:50:38

Middleclass am just like you - terrible nausea butvery little vomiting . Am 14 weeks and had a month off work - I'm a teacher but unlike Jen I couldn't struggle on! Went back this week as I was improving but it was so exhausting it brought the nausea back in full force. Then, today (my day off, I'm part time) was woken at 4am by a puking DS! Bleary -eyed sleep deprivation led me to put my hand in the vomit and then coming downstairs to put his bedding in the washing machine the smell of the stew in the slow cooker was too much for me! I have to say, post-puke I had about five lovely minutes of freedom from nausea so that was nice! DS and I have spent all day cuddling in bed together feeling sorry for ourselves and I am not looking forward to work tomorrow!

Sorry to see people still struggling and hope everyone gets a break soon. I am in total agreement that this is my last pregnancy; I will never do this again! Just keep looking at my lovely scan pictures and reminding myself of the lovely baby wriggling around in there and hoping it gets better for us all andthat we'll be enjoying nausea-free newborn snuggles before we know it!

Meerka Wed 23-Oct-13 17:54:04

I can imagine a line of us advancing on the tube-tying clinics, newborn in one hand, sickbowl in the other, with terrifyingly ferocious glares, demanding to get our tubes tied NOW!

( feel very odd tonight, mild pregnancy insanity has struck)

randdom Wed 23-Oct-13 19:16:43

I hope people don't mind me posting here. I am feeling really rubbish I am currently 8+6 and feeling awful. I can only eat very small amounts and then if I do I only have a 50% chance of keeping it down. It is the nausea which is really bringing me down though most smells are just too much for me and it often gets worse if I move. I saw my doctor at 7 weeks and she gave me cyclizine which helps a bit (I can now keep water down which I wasn't before the medication) but a combination of the pregnancy and the cyclizine are causing me to feel exhausted all the time.

I genuinely don't know what to do with myself a the moment. This is my first pregnancy that has got this far (previous early mc) and it is something that I want so much. But this is making me so miserable I genuinely don't know what to do with myself.

sorry for the moan and i know that lots if people have it worse sad

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Wed 23-Oct-13 20:08:48

<waves at middleclassdystopia>
glad you found us!! Always here and happy to support each other.

Ah Randdom sorry to hear you're feeling so vile. There are lots of useful links smattered through the thread; and if you are near a chemist pop in nd get yourself some ketostix so you can monitor your own ketones, you wee on them and judge the colour they turn against a chart on the bottle.
If you are 3+ you need urgent medical help - call 101 for out of hours doctor and get an emerg appointment.

sipping/ use a straw for ice cold water, crunch ice, at the moment I can eat apples so I think a lot of moisture is coming from them!

nibbling biscuits/ sweets can help your ketones stay nice and low.
we're here for you X

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Wed 23-Oct-13 20:11:03

Im glad the subject of sterilization has arisen I am seriously considering. Having a C-section anyway, so... need to research it though as Ive heard failure is possible and I can't deal with HG again.
this is my 3rd, and Im 35 so I hope they let me. I asked after ds2 when I was 30 and they refused saying I was too young; luckily as it turned out..

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Wed 23-Oct-13 20:15:08

1 in 200 who have it done will go on to get pg

I think there is a simpler answer. Never Have Sex Again.

Meerka Wed 23-Oct-13 20:26:43

sex leads to preg leads to HG.

Sex bad.

also bad: peopel who say 'oh maybe HG is natures way of making sure you don't eat something that isnt right for your body'. yeah right, like eating and drinking nothing is good for you.

and hi randdom

Bezzabelle Wed 23-Oct-13 20:27:56

I like the sound of that simple answer!!

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Wed 23-Oct-13 20:33:58

nmeerka if someone dared say that to me I'd spit in their eye.

no sex. stick to handjobs / blowjobs / bumsex. actually no bumsex as a 3cm leak = HG again. Feck!

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Wed 23-Oct-13 20:34:53

HA! that post sounds like I like bumsex.

NB - nope.

please, as you were! <slinks off>

Meerka Wed 23-Oct-13 20:42:22

ok darent laugh aloud. But inside you got me cracking up, chocchaff.

Your inner Evil Ghost bird is leading you astray!

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Wed 23-Oct-13 20:43:36

meant to add I have no idea on the '3cm' thing. I have not measured myself. It is a guesstimate of the average. <does it sound about right?>

Meerka Wed 23-Oct-13 20:58:26

choc dear, cage that ghostbirdie. You're just digging deeper!

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Wed 23-Oct-13 21:08:38

def need a namechange grin mwah-hah-haaaaaah!!

Bezzabelle Wed 23-Oct-13 21:54:57

Choc, I am blaming you on this evening's vomit fest...came just after reading your post!!

jenpatnim Wed 23-Oct-13 22:16:03

I am lol at the sex - bad talk! Unfortunately OH and I are rather fond of it... However, I did find that contraception worked for me. I am 34 and didn't get pregnant until I wanted to - I just had no idea I would be a HG sufferer.

I have had a tough few days. I have had some stress, both from work and my parents (can't really go into it) but it has made the nausea worse. Plus yesterday was a very very busy day, I had all this:

Work until 4
then to dr to find that my script for ondansetron was not ready and I had to wait for the dr to phone me to re-issue
home at 4.30
dr phoned at 5
drove to drs (which is beside my work) and picked up script
drove to the chemist (beside my parents house, 25 min from mine, as they carry ondansetron)
went to shop and bought food for dinner
back into town, stopping at post office on way
was 5 minutes from my door when my mum phoned with an emergency
dropped food into OH with instructions to cook it
drove to my parents' house to talk to my mother
left there at 8 to talk to my father (who was elsewhere)
finally got home at 9.15 to tell OH all about it
and get kept warm dinner
knackered but so wound up I could barely sleep

then work today which was full of hassles.

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Wed 23-Oct-13 22:20:44

oh jenn you poor thing about time they helped you out sad hope you have more restful days ahead

Sally8655 Wed 23-Oct-13 22:51:37

Oh no Jen, poor you. Sounds like one of my days so I completely understand. Hope the family drama is sorted or getting there. I don't think there is anything worse than stress and exhaustion for HG.
Your a trooper for going to work tomorrow. Just think 3 more days and then hopefully some rest during half term xx

Another day of sickness here :-( wishing for a good day tomorrow xx

Tallyra Wed 23-Oct-13 22:52:10

Jen that sounds like a horrendous day, shock at your parents not giving you dinner for being so late with yours!

Sally8655 Wed 23-Oct-13 22:53:51

Thought it was Tuesday but I'm wrong so only 2 more days Jen!!

jenpatnim Thu 24-Oct-13 00:11:51

One more day of school then on a course on Friday.... can't wait to get a break. Feeling sick tonight sad

eggybrokenoff Thu 24-Oct-13 06:08:59

hello all and newbies. please i reckon if sickness and or nausea is stopping you eating or drinking or having some quality of life this is the place to be.

hope everyone feels better soon and manages to rest.

bloody horrendous here ds2 up with a sick bug - vomiting all night every 15 mins - half hour. i feel like ive been hit by a truck and so so sick myself. but mainly i am very worried about him. its only been a couple of weeks since last bug and now im convinced its something else scary or sinister

jenpatnim Thu 24-Oct-13 07:56:13

eggy, get him to the dr? Fingers crossed he is ok xx

Meerka Thu 24-Oct-13 08:56:13

Oh dear eggy, I hope he's better quickly and the doctor can help

hope everyone's morning is not too bad ...

Bezzabelle Thu 24-Oct-13 10:49:11

Feel like I'm just sleeping and vomiting through the first trimester!

LucindaE Thu 24-Oct-13 12:23:39

welcome Horrendous I hope I got the name right - I can't improve on Choc's advice, hang on, things will almost certainly get easier, and as she says about links, there's a link in the intro too which is excellent for general support and advice. Everyone on here is lovely and supportive though a certian mother hen called Lucinda can be a nuisance.
Jen You poor poor thing, that's a tough day when not ill. You shoudn't have to deal with this, to be honest, people should be looking after YOU.
Perhaps you are one of these people who are too competent (not a problem I've ever had!). Try acting a bit helpless.
Eggy I do hope you managed to get a dr to see him, that must be so worrying. I wonder if it is the same bug building up again? I've heard that can happen with these nasty stomach things.
Bezza Poor you, it is dismal when life seems to be spent hunched over the loo or asleep. Things will get better.
Talyra and Meerka and MOB and SicknSpan and Eveyone how are things?
Lucinda
xx

LucindaE Thu 24-Oct-13 15:18:28

Goodness, I do apologise, what came over me, your name is Randomm. What made me think it was 'Horrendous'? Though people do chose striking names.
Welcome. I hope I got the name right - I can't improve on Choc's advice, hang on, things will almost certainly get easier, and as she says about links, there's a link in the intro too which is excellent for general support and advice. Everyone on here is lovely and supportive though a certain mother hen called Lucinda can be a nuisance.
Jen You poor poor thing, that's a tough day when not ill. You shoudn't have to deal with this, to be honest, people should be looking after YOU.
Perhaps you are one of these people who are too competent (not a problem I've ever had!). Try acting a bit helpless.
Eggy I do hope you managed to get a dr to see him, that must be so worrying. I wonder if it is the same bug building up again? I've heard that can happen with these nasty stomach things.
Bezza Poor you, it is dismal when life seems to be spent hunched over the loo or asleep. Things will get better.
Tallyra and Meerka and MOB and SicknSpan Middleclassdystipia and Eveyone how are things?

Meerka Thu 24-Oct-13 15:53:18

generally rather better Lucinda thank you. can stay out of bed til about 4pm nowadays. Have to keep very quiet though, people or busyness very quickly make me worse. Manage small bits of housework with long rests in between. The meds really do help.

Eating and drinking carefully but adequately, stopped loosing weight. Vile taste and spitting still here, its amazing how unpleasant such relatively small things can be. But overall far better than 3 weeks ago. it'd be nice to keep improving but I'm grateful for it not being as bad as it was.

eggybrokenoff Thu 24-Oct-13 16:08:54

if ever i needed proof that rest can make a huge difference this is it. this is the sickest and most nauseous i have been so far. i am really weepy too. i just want to be in bed but cant til the kids have gone to bed.

Meerka Thu 24-Oct-13 16:14:06

it makes a huge, huge difference doesnt it? how in gods name we'd cope if I had to look after our son after school I just do not know. Could not have done it I think, seriously.

< giggles at Lucinda's Dozy Mummy moment and leaves a wine for later .. seeing as she's allowed it!>

eggybrokenoff Thu 24-Oct-13 16:31:33

i swear it was easier being pregnant and working than pregnant and looking after the kids (disclaimer my job was nothing like the challenge of jen and others - dont mean to be rude i am in awe of you guys managing to work. my job involved a lot of sitting and typing)

LucindaE Thu 24-Oct-13 17:37:26

Meerka What a lovely wine, lol! On names, the funniest, but I have a vulgar sense of humour, was one I came across on another site - "Trumpet Bum*, a woman, not a man, though men are best at that...
Lucinda
xx

LucindaE Thu 24-Oct-13 17:40:52

Eggy Oh dear, how is the LO? You must be shattered, and as you say, longing to go to bed yourself. Jen I hope not suffering too much from yesterday's schedule?
Luicinda
xx

Tallyra Thu 24-Oct-13 19:23:49

I'm doing ok thank you lucinda. I took my first independent steps today, drove to a friend's and went to a pub for lunch. it's so nice to feel a bit more like me now. I'm just hoping to all hope it's not teasing me and will come back.

eggy I really hope de is getting better xxxxx

Tallyra Thu 24-Oct-13 19:25:33

I'm doing ok thank you lucinda. I took my first independent steps today, drove to a friend's and went to a pub for lunch. it's so nice to feel a bit more like me now. I'm just hoping to all hope it's not teasing me and will come back.

eggy I really hope ds is getting better xxxxx

Totesamazeballs Thu 24-Oct-13 19:53:07

Lots of new faces! (Waves)

I hope your DS is better today Eggy. It's not nice having to deal with more vomit on top of your own. I dread the winter vomiting bug, although DS seems to puke when he has a heavy cold too.

Well done Tallyra. It's good to feel like part of the human race again.

DH isn't home before 8/9pm these days so it's just as well I am feeling better as the whole day is down to me now. I am still plagued by the sour milk taste but able to eat veggies now. Bit disconcerting that I can't feel kicked but it's because of the anterior placenta. Makes the pregnancy not feel very real and more like I have had a nasty virus for ages.

randdom Thu 24-Oct-13 20:05:56

I was wondering if I could get the advice of anyone who has had medication? I am currently on cyclizine but am still having some really bad days and I am really struggling because it is wiping me out. Are all the antisickness drugs likely to make me sleepy or are there others which have that as less of a side effect?

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Thu 24-Oct-13 20:22:59

ah cyclizine actually managed to make me worse.
there is avomine - a travel sickness thing
maxilon - was ok for about 3 days with me
but the crème de la crème is ondansatron. Only available to the lucky few with understanding consultants...or after a stint on a drip...'tis an expensive and powerful drug that actually works. So fear not, there are loads to try smile just go back to doc and ask for something stronger.

Bezzabelle Thu 24-Oct-13 20:23:47

Ime of two different types of anti sickness meds, both have made me very drowsy but I see this as a positive as I can then sleep through the sickness!

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Thu 24-Oct-13 20:27:49

some symptoms are drug side effects, but some part of being pg anyway I suppose; I am a bit more headachey on ondansatron; or it's because I need my eyes tested

jenpatnim Thu 24-Oct-13 21:20:28

Hey all.. I managed some sleep today and yesterday after work - makes all the difference. Having said that I did throw up again today after getting home from work, then when I went to bed I woke myself up by stretching and pulling a muscle in my calf.... so now I am limping. I doubt OH thinks I am 'too capable', he knows I am a disaster!

I agree with Choc that ondansetron is the gold standard of anti-emetics. I would be hospitalised still without it. Yes, it constipates like crazy, yes it is a pain to get but so worth it. Even the headaches (a known side effect) don't matter when you can keep food down and function.

23+6 today, finished school (YAY) and off on a course tomorrow which should be easy. Family issues in no way resolved but other than being supportive there is nothing I can do.

SicknSpan Thu 24-Oct-13 22:12:03

Hi all. Not had a chance to catch up on thread but hope you're all coping as well as can be expected.
Ive been in hospital for rehydration last night and today. 5 bags of iv fluids and lots of cyclazine/ ondansetron on board. Still throwing but they've done enough to let me home. got the feeling that's all they were worried about, no interest in whether or not I would be able to manage sickness on release just wanted to get my stats to a level that they meant they didn't have to keep me in.

Lying v v still on the sofa so that I keep the oral meds they've given me down. I asked for other methods but no joy. Expect more hospitalisation.

Tallyra Thu 24-Oct-13 22:57:08

you poor thing sick. it's horrible feeling like a bed statistic but thank goodness you had those drips. sending you lots of cyber hugs.

MurderOfBanshees Thu 24-Oct-13 23:41:24

The HG has eased here at the moment, which is especially good as DS is unwell and has barey slept for the last 4 nights. Bloody exhausted.

Have lowered the dose of Ondansetron and Steroids, so shall see if the improvement is drug induced or not.

sick That is tough sad

jenpatnim Thu 24-Oct-13 23:45:05

Sicknspan, glad hospital is helping you xx

Bezzabelle Fri 25-Oct-13 06:20:13

Sick- poor you. Try and rest up.
I woke up at 5 to throw up, now trying to eat some toast before I try to go back to sleep, had that excessive saliva thing going on that just makes you want to gag all the time. Hope everyone has a better day.

eggybrokenoff Fri 25-Oct-13 06:30:23

hi all. thanks for nice messages ds is on the mend i think but v sad and hard work poor boy.
murder hope your lo is better soon. i put in 10 hours in bed last night and feel much better for it.

re sleepy meds i never got on with those at all. ondansetron is the only thing that works for me.

jen really hope you can get some rest over half term even if you have a load of work to do hope you can do it from bed in your pjs.

sickn sounds like hospital is where you needed to be. i hope they take you back if you need it. its so hard being away from home though.

LucindaE Fri 25-Oct-13 10:42:43

Oh dear, looks tough all round. Gentle cyber pats on offer!
SicknSpan they don't sound as if they were sympathetic at all - have they changed the meds? The vomitng was obviously very bad for you to be admitted, I was alarmed a few posts back - I think reassurance and discussion of the treatment plan should be obligatory!
Randdom Cyclazine is usually the first one they try - there are lots of safe meds.
https://sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/treatments/obtaining-treatment gives a good run down on them. A lot of people find Cyclazine makes them woozy.
Back soon.

xx

Meerka Fri 25-Oct-13 10:54:45

sick, really glad to hear you got some treatment, even if you feel bloody awful.

MoB again, so pleased to hear you're having a few better days after the last weeks.

Sister over from england + stepfather + her bf, so it's quite busy here but so so nice to have some english speaking company. And they know the score so they arent shocked or anything. Just really nice to see them and talk baby stuff smile (they're very patient!)

LucindaE Fri 25-Oct-13 13:00:04

Meerka I meant to say - I hope the curve is still upwards. Are you fluent in Dutch? I am still astonished at that awful tale about that medication that scared Dutch doctors so - when did it happen? I've never heard of it at all, not even from MOH who is a mine of information on drugs and safety records.
xx

Meerka Fri 25-Oct-13 13:58:56

it is still upwards thank god yes. still have to retreat to bed by 3-5pm, but so so much better than a few weeks ago or the last preg.

The sterility issue must have been at least 20 years ago, perhaps more? 30? apparently its not actually thalidomide though. My physio who's in her early 30's told me of it first, her cousins are infertile. I asked another person, she's about 50, who's in the medical professions and they confirmed it but couldnt remember the name. I'd never heard of it either.

A few people have told me the Dutch are incredibly conservative about giving drugs generally, though a few younger doctors are more open minded. That most certainly tallies with my experience so far.

No, my dutch is far from fluent sadly sad I did take lessons before I got sick but I've no natural ability with other languages so its very slow. Bit isolated to tell the truth.

MurderOfBanshees Fri 25-Oct-13 14:05:55

Just got back from the doctors, I went to get more steroids, saw a different gp. This one commented on how I was taking a high dose of steroids, said that the HG must be bad, asked about whether I'd been hospitalised, and then asked me if I'd thought of trying travel sickness bands instead of the steroids. hmm

eggybrokenoff Fri 25-Oct-13 14:11:29

oh shit of course travel sickness bands!! ladies good news, we can bin the drugs, pop on a couple of bracelets and raid the fridge - hurrah!

bloody idiot doctors

MurderOfBanshees Fri 25-Oct-13 14:12:46

I almost laughed in his face thlgrin

What an idiot.

SicknSpan Fri 25-Oct-13 16:43:16

Had early scan. Happy, healthy singleton sproutlet growing very nicely. Result= happy Sicknspan smile

eggybrokenoff Fri 25-Oct-13 16:47:45

aaahhhh congratulations xxx

Meerka Fri 25-Oct-13 17:07:25

Oh great, sicknspan lovely to hear smile

<sends MOB some travel bands> maybe if you put them all up your arms and legs it'll help. No? didnt think so. DOH some doctors.

Hello all, hope you don't mind me popping in but wasn't sure where else to go. Having all kinds of symptoms this time round (third preg) to the extreme that I don't remember before! Looking for some reassurance I'm not going crazy and I'm not alone I guess! Currently approx 10 weeks and have had shocking nausea since I found out. Mornings are fine but from lunchtime onwards it's constant til bedtime. Having said that if I don't eat something (toast or something tummy friendly) regularly I feel like I'm going to pass out? Frequently get the horrid taste in my mouth so eating often helps a little with this. Added to that the unending tiredness I feel like I'm at the end of my tether. Feel so guilty since I just don't have the energy to be a good Mum and my house is a pigsty. Praying this will pass shortly, sorry this has just turned into a rant!x

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Fri 25-Oct-13 17:30:31

hey there tenlittlefingers
it does utterly suck doesn't it! you're nearly through the first trimester though, the tiredness just vaporises.
can you still eat and drink ok? if not, there's lots links on here to helpful resources
this is my no 3 too, and it is harder - think because Im older and the first 2 dc dilute your stamina somehow smile how old are your 1st 2? Mine are 7 & 5, am hoping the gap isn't insurmountable when baby comes.

Thanks Choc smile
Mine are 5 and 2, will be 3 when baby comes though. I feel like I have less energy than before too, maybe my age! I'm hoping I'll get a breakthrough when I'm into second trimester! I vaguely remember feeling fab when I hit about 13/14 weeks, clinging onto that hope but not sure if I'm looking back through rose tinted specs! How are you coping?x

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Fri 25-Oct-13 17:48:55

just starting to pull my shit together, had an unexpected visitor last week and looking at my house thru her eyes I was utterly shamed. So messy, everything out of control. Up to my eyes, part time job, the kids, and HG meaning food and meals and pills and stress, plus lots random naps = lot less time for stuff to get done smile
my ondansatron is amazing, allows me to eat, although I can't really drink somehow Im zero ketones, think 3 cups tea and 2 apples a day giving me enough fluids... haha glad you asked grin

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Fri 25-Oct-13 17:50:52

ah your age gap is textbook! well done on that no way I was ready for number 3 when my 2 were that young! Now though, I wish I had been, I think this way, although kids can basically look after themselves eg get their own school uniforms on, turn the tv on grin it will be muchos weird going back to nappies. Muchos weird indeed.

Aw it's rotten isn't it! I know I'm lucky I'm not vomiting that must just be horrible on top of everything else. Find myself avoiding visitors at all costs at the mo for that reason! Even dh is getting fed up of the domestic situation, he thinks if he empties the dish washer though he's done me a huge favour! Hanging on in there just about but feel at least my kids are taken care of and I'm still going to work so for now everything else can take a back seat!

Meerka Fri 25-Oct-13 18:13:26

hi tenlittlefingers smile welcome to the Sisterhood smile

RaRa1988 Fri 25-Oct-13 18:54:57

Hi, sorry to butt in as I don't even have HG.... I just thought you poor ladies might be the best people to ask! I'm barely eating due to severe nausea and intermittent vomiting (nearly 7 weeks), and when I do vomit, it's bright yellow (radioactive lol). Is this a problem? Beyond being unpleasant, I mean! Thanks smile

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Fri 25-Oct-13 19:07:35

yellow = pure bile
acid and vile

try and nibble? are you drinking water?
ketostix - buy from chemist, wee on, get help if 3+++

RaRa1988 Fri 25-Oct-13 19:14:43

Thanks Choc: Are ketostix looking for ketones? I don't really know what that means confused - why would they be in my urine?

Sorry to hear that RaRa, sounds miserable sad
Sounds like you're vomiting bile which is understandable considering you aren't able to eat. Don't think you need to worry about it but if the vomiting continues or worsens it might be worth mentioning to your midwife or GP? Have you had your booking in app yet?
Thanks Meerka grin
Don't know if I'm ready Choc but fate clearly decided I was! It is a thought going back to the nappies and sleepless nights isn't it! I remind myself I always wanted a busy family home and now I'm lucky enough to have one. I was an only child and lonely at that, just me and my Mum and she was often ill so think I'm trying to make up for the family life I missed out on smile

Oops cross post sorry!

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Fri 25-Oct-13 19:58:35

hi Rara sorry that was a v short explanation,
ketones are substances that shouldn't be in your wee
they are your body kind of eating itself to support the baby
they are a sign you are dehydrated, and if you pee on the ketostix and see a highish result you need to go to doctor. If ketones are 3+++ you need an emergency appointment, andpossibly rehydrating.
If you are vomming and not able to keep down water etc, there are many safe anti emetics, again see doctor.

And congratulations!

Meerka Fri 25-Oct-13 19:58:48

If you are notably dehydrated or starving (in which case your body starts consuimg itself) you get ketones in your urine. What exactly they are I'm not sure but they are a reliable indication of seriuos shortage of fluid or food. When you're preg, this is a big problem specially shortage of fluid.

Ketostix measure if they're in your pee and how much. they are little paper sticks with a small pad of special material on the end that you hold in your pee. If they change colour significantly you need to speak to your doctor quite quickly. There's a range of colours the little pad can show, the colour chart is printed on the side of the packet.

It sounds like you're in a fiarly bad way atm, some of the things that can help are trying ice cold drinks or lollies, or almost boiling hot. Flat(is) coke helps some people. Jelly too, its got a heck of a lot of water in.

Often people find that eating a little bit often helps food stay down rather than three regular meals. If you fancy something, eat it as soon as you can.

good luck, pop here whenever you like smile anyone is welcome, no matter how sick or well they feel

Meerka Fri 25-Oct-13 19:59:32

cross post with the evilchaffinch sorry

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Fri 25-Oct-13 20:00:43

yes ten so exciting thinking about having a littley again at Christmas and birthday parties smile
all the big family stuff.
This time I am determined to stay v chilled out, not get stressed, I know how fast it all whizzes by, I am going to enjoy it thoroughly, as it will definitely be my last.

ChocChaffinchEvilGhostBird Fri 25-Oct-13 20:03:18

hehe meerka you explain it better than me smile

very hot water with a slice of lemon
very hot tea
ice water - with a straw
pink lucozade
lilt

crumpets
toast
pasta
thin slices of apple

really cast your mind about as to what you fancy. no mater what the time of day or however random it is

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 25-Oct-13 20:06:27

bit of a name tweak

Bikerchick1983 Fri 25-Oct-13 20:27:15

Hi I'm new on here, feel a bit like I'm intruding you all seem so supportive of each other! It's lovely to see! I'm on my 7th pregnancy (not got 6 children I unfortunately had a few miscarriages but suffered HG before I lost my poor babies) this is my 4th child and is a great sacrifice to my health, sanity, and and every member of my family to go through HG again!! At the moment I'm coming up to 6 weeks and ready but not ready for the HG to begin, started anti sickness tabs but I can feel it getting worse everyday, god don't you wish there was some magic cure so we could all 'enjoy' our pregnancies! It's supposed to be exciting, right? It's so not fair I want to stamp my feet and cry!!! But enough childish thoughts and feeling sorry for myself, it's not going to help is it! I wanted to ask how many people have been put on zofran/ondansetron anti sickness tabs, I was put on them by my hospital but my GP wouldn't prescribe them again as he said there's a risk of miscarriage, this was a week after I had unknowingly miscarried. The tablets worked but I'm extremely worried to take them again, but don't understand why I'd be prescribed them in the first place. It's a catch 22 situation so if anyone has any helpful advice I'd love to hear it. Now after that essay I will leave you in peace, whilst sending my sympathy and hoping it's over ASAP for you all!! X

Tallyra Fri 25-Oct-13 20:40:26

hi. I'm on pg number 4, but child no 1. I was prescribed ondansetron each time and had missed miscarriages the 1st 3 times but it wasn't the drugs. I'm on it again now since week 6 and I'm 15w now. don't worry about taking it, it's the best one, you are lucky to get it so early without a fight.

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 25-Oct-13 20:41:29

hi bikerchick!

risk of m/c!! <splutters>
They didn't tell me that, and I'm para 2+2
have taken 3 ondansetron per day since week 9
now week 17+ 3 and hopefully ok
I wouldn't be able to eat at all without the drug. All the stuff Ive read does not link it to increased M/C, could the doc be bullshitting...

this thread helps you lose your trust in docs and lying pharmacists

Meerka Fri 25-Oct-13 20:48:09

Hi biker (what sort of bike do you ride? <curious>)

I'm so sorry about the miscarriages, wish you all the very best for this preg.

Your doctor may not have seen the latest research on Ondansetron. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1211035/ There is no significant risk of miscarriage or other bad outcomes at time of birth in using it. This was in a study of thousands of women - cant quite work out if it was 2000 women or nearly 10,000 who were on it, I think 10,000. What we don't know is any long term effect, but so far results are encouraging. It's been used for over a decade in cases of severe sickness.

Also, it is recommended by the National Guidelines for Clinical Excellence, which doctors are supposed to go by. http://cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!prescribinginfosub

Severe dehydration on the other hand is a known high risk factor for preg women. If you have HG then you have to weigh up and choose the lowest risk I think, and Ondansetron does sound a good idea for you. A very good idea.

Lucinda's link in the first post to pregnancy support sos is also well worth taking a look at, they're great.

I do hope it's not as bad this time though realistically it sounds like it's going to hit again sad very best of luck, biker

Meerka Fri 25-Oct-13 20:50:04
jenpatnim Fri 25-Oct-13 20:50:06

At no point have I heard risk of mc with ondansetron and I have been on it since week 8 (week 24 now)

In other news, after being worried that I wasn't feeling flutters, I have gone straight to kicks! Baby is kicking the crap out of me, and my mum was even able to feel it from the outside! It's cool, but distracting, lol

You will approve to hear that I have brought home NO work over half term. I need to do a few things around the house and work on the nursery, but other than that I am not working. I am on holiday, dammit.

Family issues are getting worse - my mother is talking divorce after nearly 40 years. It is a disaster, and very stressful. But I understand.... I divorced my ex on a lot less to go on than she has against my dad. Sigh.

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 25-Oct-13 20:54:55

haven't needed lactulose for over a week now. think eating the apples keeping it all moving/
drinking tea.

Meerka Fri 25-Oct-13 20:55:57

Oh good about work Jen! but I hope you don't get bruises from the little one

Sorry to hear about your mum's situation. Hope it is not too stressful for you, bound to be pretty difficult :/

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 25-Oct-13 20:57:58

oh Jenn Im sorry you have family upheaval to support them through. Hope they remain civil and mature.

take some days to purely relax! utter bliss.

Im also getting a bit hmm at no real flutters to speak of. Hope all ok in there <knocks on stomach> <no answer>

Meerka Fri 25-Oct-13 21:02:21

our son lays his head on my tummy every night and tells me what the baby is up to. It's a bit freaky when he says "the baby's playing with a friend in there!"

SicknSpan Fri 25-Oct-13 22:56:55

Peanut butter and tomato sandwiches. Stayed down, who'd have thought!

Bezzabelle Sat 26-Oct-13 06:57:13

Hi all, waves to newbies and sorry to Jen, that all sounds very stressful.

Well, needed a rant....yesterday was a awful day. Sickness stated very early and was into double figures by lunchtime. Had long sleep in afternoon, had a few hours respite in early evening and then came back with vengeance and was throwing up till 11pm last night. Woke at 2.30am today with huge waves of nausea washing over me. Starting throwing up at 6am- grrrrrrhhhhh, I am very mad at my body right now. I did have attitude that every day I get through is a day closer to me feeling better blah blah blah but today, I'm mad!!!! Sorry, rant over.

eggybrokenoff Sat 26-Oct-13 07:15:20

hey all. sorry for stresses and bad sickness. it seems like one crap thing after another sometimes.

my dh has the tummy bug. he is a wonderful man, supportive, helpful, brilliant dad, so i am only going to say this mean nasty comment here on the safety of mn: big fucking deal! yeah you feel like shit and puked lots but you will be fine in a few days, i have 30 weeks left! and at any point have i gad a day off and a lie in? bloody no i havent!!!! grrrrrrrr

thats all. back to being nursemaid to my icky family

jenpatnim Sat 26-Oct-13 10:05:55

Oh eggy, men just do not understand! Don't worry, we do. xx
Bezza, you sound pretty bad too, big hugs

Going into town today with mum for a nice lunch, and hoping that will be nice and relaxing. Also have plans over the next week for meeting friends, cot shopping and generally relaxing, as well as sorting out the nursery a bit.

Tallyra Sat 26-Oct-13 10:12:40

sounds good jen, enjoy.
eggy you have not had it easy have you? you poor thing..

I have a cold. I'm very annoyed, because I'm just starting to get my life back together and now I'm unable to breathe lying down so both me and dh had a sleepless night because of me. gah!angry

SicknSpan Sat 26-Oct-13 11:03:01

eggy rant away mm is brill for stuff we'd never dream of saying in real life. Gentle pats and restorative thoughts heading over.

jen your week sounds lovely. Slightly envious!

rara hello from junebug thread. Sorry you're suffering too. bezza and I are both on here so you'll get support whichever thread you Post on at least. How has this morning been?

Well I am high as a kite here today. sickness abated so very happy, even allowing myself to think about there being a baby in the house again(squeal!) but also the combination of ondansetrondansetron and cyclizine issuing me feel a bit squiffy. very nice indeed!

Have a good day y'all

LucindaE Sat 26-Oct-13 11:09:40

Goodness, lots of action on here. Welcome new people, sorry you are suffering.
RaraWelcome, I can't better Choc (or ChaffinchofDoom's and Meerka's advice, make sure you are taking in what fluids you can and check for ketones (are they protein of some sort in urine? Bad protein!) in your urine.
Tenlittlefingers welcome,Of course you aren't crazy - and most people on here agree relentless nausea is probably as bad as the constant vomiting. Again, I can only second other's advice about watching out for dehydration.
I don't know how people manage with Hyperemesis and one LO, let alone two. LO's don't really understandhow bad y ou feel; some try hard, but...
Bikergirl welcome, my goodness, you are a Hyperemesis veteran, again I can only second other's advice about the research results on links etc.
You are very brave.
MOB That old expression we said in my youth, 'No s**, Sherlock' sums that nonsense from GP up!
Jen Really sorry about marital problems with parents, but they'll have to sort it out themselves, try not to let it get to you and have a good rest over the half term. Congratulations on wriggly baby. Didn't realise you 'd been through a divorce.
Eggy I so agree. Men think a day or two of sickness is the end of the world. Hmmph...
Tallyra Congratulations on fifteen weeks.
ChaffinchofDoom I had a terrible Pasta Bake and Wardrobe Experience and couldn't go near it for a long time, but glad it helps you. It is hardly a wonder you're tired, with Hyperemesis, two LO's and a part time job. I think anyone who copes with that is a marvel and others can tidy their house up! I would, if I was nearby...
SicknSpan That is lovely news about scan. You needed a boost.
Sorry to anyone rudely overlooked.
xx

Totesamazeballs Sat 26-Oct-13 12:20:19

Hello all! Hello new faces! I haven't been posting as much as the days don't seem to leave any time for mumsnetting. DH has been working until 9 at night and is gone by half seven so I have been doing everything. Just as well I can cope with it now. Not up to full speed by any means but on the whole feeling more positive.

Problem is that DS misses him terribly and is now playing up today when DH left to go out. I managed to cook a lamb curry for them (no way I can touch it) and it was not gracefully received by DS. Sigh. Wonder why I bother sometimes. Oh and I spent the morning tidying up DHs study for a photo shoot this afternoon. Found loads of unopened post. Grrrrrr.....

Anyway, how are people coping with teeth cleaning? I am still gagging when I try for more than a few seconds. Also, discovered olives help with gross mouth taste. Anyone tried? I guess it's the acidity.

16 weeks here and only felt the odd thing because I have an anterior placenta and baby is still very low in my pelvis apparently. Hope the little fellow is ok. It's a bit disconcerting. I can't quite believe I am pregnant still, just like I have had a horrible illness for months. Saying that, things are gradually improving. It is very gradual but every week feels better than the last. This is earlier than last time too.

Eggy - Just as well guys can't carry babies. Can you imagine a man suffering from HG?
Biker - wow, you deserve a medal for going through it that many times.
Bezz- you sound like you are in a really tough phase. Are you in the first trimester?

Everyone else - hope you can make the best of the weekends. Thinking of you all pukers x

Bezzabelle Sat 26-Oct-13 12:35:36

Totes, yeah am only 8 + 4 and with ds it went on till 14/16 weeks so got a while longer to go. Got a scan on tues though, not private but normal nhs one as like sick they want to check it's just one baby and also have thyroid issues.

Totesamazeballs Sat 26-Oct-13 13:12:14

Gawd, the first trimester is awful. People always said to me that it might be two as I was so sick. Yeah right. Might actually die if I had two in there!

eggybrokenoff Sat 26-Oct-13 13:58:36

thinking of you all ladies.

i dont think i am having a bad time especially its just hg makes ordinary everyday little issues and challenges really hard to cope with.

jenpatnim Sat 26-Oct-13 13:59:10

Totes - re: Men and suffering - my brother was feeling VERY brave with an audience (me and OH) as SIL normally doesn't let him away with stuff but he said - and I quote - "If men had babies we'd be done in 4 months as we are more efficient" and "You know why women get periods? They fcking deserve them".

Fortunately he was joking! He is really a very nice guy and very excited about becoming an uncle!

Yeah, I met my ex when I was 18, was with him 12 years, married for 6 of those. The split was very gradual, I thought we were growing apart, he was distant and unaffectionate, he blamed me and said I was less attractive etc etc we went to separate rooms to him moving out. I found out about a year later by accident he had been having an affair with a woman I thought was a friend in England. He thought all along that when he split with me he would live happily ever after with her but she didn't leave her husband. I met OH, not looking for another relationship - being honest, just looking for someone to.. make me feel better after the rejection iykwim, and he turned out to be the one for me. Much to my amazement, as he is 8 years younger! I really didn't take him seriously at the start but he grew on me lol, and now I can't live without him and I feel weepy thinking about how much I love him.

And ex? Ended up living alone in a 1bdrm flat. He has recently started dating, apparently. He made sure to tell me. Like I care! Eh, I don't bear him any ill will, I wouldn't have been any happier thinking of him being alone forever, so hopefully this girl sticks with him. If he puts his mind to it he can be a good partner, we did have lots of good years.

So that is my story, in a nutshell. It was very traumatic at the time, especially as when we split there were huge financial implications (house in neg equity and so on) and I got made redundant from my job. But I took the financial consequences and declared bankruptcy to avoid landing a massive personal house debt and found a new job which turned out to be miles better. Funny how life works out. I am living in a much smaller house, in a less desirable area but I have more disposable income and I am happier than I have ever been, planning my wedding and having a baby!

Tallyra Sat 26-Oct-13 14:02:03

they thought I had twins every time, and it never was. it's another old wives tale to keep normal people from thinking about hg.

Meerka Sat 26-Oct-13 16:16:51

totes, amazed you can keep going on your own, glad its a bit better!

Yes to really struggling with teeth. I can clean them in the morning just, though it brings on retching, but evening no way. Can't even manage mouthwash. Normally very meticulous about that so it's just horrid.

jen so pleased to hear things ended well. My man is quite a bit younger too and so I avoided thinking of him romantically but it happened in the end. It's lovely you got a good job, man, and baby on the way smile

Bezzabelle Sat 26-Oct-13 19:19:38

Just ate chicken mcnuggets,,,,,best meal I've had for 2 weeks!

eggybrokenoff Sat 26-Oct-13 19:26:00

why is the junk stuff so much easier to stomach?! ive not had a vitamin in weeks (cept folic acid).

i am wiped. had kids on my own from 6-7today - dh completely out of it. got really sick cooking for them (was only soup and toast) and lo still noy right at all. v stressful and exhausting (i realise not as bad as what sone of you are dealing with). bath and bed for me as the little cherubs will not respect the supposed extra hour in bed rule!!

SicknSpan Sat 26-Oct-13 21:07:22

Just had teeny portion of chicken korma and lemon tart. Was so nice! Feeling unbelievably full though, and they were really very small portions. Will need to sit still for a while to make sure it stays in.

bezza I think a curry or chicken nuggets sound totally nutritious!

eggy hope dp recovers soon to give you some help

Champagnebubble Sun 27-Oct-13 07:40:02

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Totesamazeballs Sun 27-Oct-13 10:07:18

Good tip Champagne, thanks! I can clean the fronts of my teeth by brimming like a Cheshire Cat but as soon as I try and open my mouth wider, it's gag time.

Eggy - I hope your DH is better today.

Has the hour change meant super early mornings for everyone?

DS and I for the day again as DH has to make some furniture. Feeling very horrible mouth tastey today - think its tiredness. DS has a cold and woke at half four. He valiantly tried to get back to sleep but it was too hard. Poor chap.

High winds are set to hit tomorrow for us. DH is going to store away our wheelie bins in case. I don't remember the last storm so not sure what to expect. I hope the horses will be ok and our roof tiles!

Champagnebubble Sun 27-Oct-13 10:33:44

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Meerka Sun 27-Oct-13 13:59:00

slightly concerned, ive had intermittent tummyache for 36 hours or so and now its a steady tummy and back ache, pretty uncomfy though Im not wishing I could take painkillers, yet. close thing though. Been constipated for 10 days but bowels moved a bit this morning. Had the CVS test 6 days ago. The ache is from just below my diaphragm to the pelvis. Has anyone else had this? Im under hospital care cause of my age and the HG, should I give them a ring or would that be plain silly?

RaRa1988 Sun 27-Oct-13 14:33:08

Hi everyone, life's been too hectic to get on here for a day or two, but thanks ever so much for the warm welcomes and the kind advice smile - so nice to have people on here I can ask! I've been a lot better since yesterday - ate more yesterday than the rest of the week put together I think!

eggybrokenoff Sun 27-Oct-13 14:46:24

meerka i would say anything making you worry its not silly to get in touch if it will put your mind at rest

eggybrokenoff Sun 27-Oct-13 15:01:55

having a hell of a time here. ds2 sick again last night - keeps recurring since the horrendous all night vom session of weds. ds1 went down with it this morning - sick all day so far. dh feeling stronger today but still gut trouble and i am just exhausted, completely nauseous all the time, lost track of my own eating and drinking and no idea if it is hg or bug making me feel so terrible. we are isolated from family here so feeling pretty lonely and keep crying like a wuss

Meerka Sun 27-Oct-13 16:06:37

Thanks eggy. I did ring and they said come in and gave a scan and all looks well. So they think its constipation and they've given me something to help over a few days. Ill start it tomorrow morning when it will stay down better than now.

I hope you and family feel better soon sad thinking of you. Its a lonely old time with HG isnt it sad

Hello rara

LucindaE Sun 27-Oct-13 16:26:31

Eggy Oh no, poor you, poor LO's too. I think crying helps a lot at such times! Hugs. Here's some thanks. Not much use, but bettrer than nothing.
Totes I am so old I remember the hurricane of 1987 when it hit London, where I then was. I don't think this will be anything like as bad, but during the last very bad storm, a sufferer on this thread had her chimney fall off, I think it was -- it was NitNatNaboo now Melange. I hope that doesn't happen to anyone on here. Was it you who had OH due for a photoshoot? That sounds glamorous...
Jen That is such a nice story- you must have felt desolate in that situation, it is interesting how life turns out. Is OH in education too?
Meerka That's a nice story, too! How are things generally?
Champagne and TotesI so agree about strawberry toothpaste. It's odd, I drank mint tea made out of fresh mint, but I didn't like the artificial mint taste at all.
Rara Bezza and Sicknspan This eating sounds hopeful!
Hope Everyone is coping.
Tallyra In a way it is a disappointment that it isn't twins, that 's a whole family at once...There's only been one woman on here who was expecting twins, I think it was Mrs Daishku.
Lucinda
xx

LucindaE Sun 27-Oct-13 16:28:22

Meerka Sorry, I missed that post about your worries. Glad all is well.
xx

jenpatnim Sun 27-Oct-13 19:51:25

Lucinda, OH is an electrician, working in a petrol station. So he does shift work, which isn't great, but it's a job.

I have had quite a sicky day, waking up in the night with acid reflux that made me feel horrendous, and quite a bit of nausea today. Been a busy day though, with family stuff, so that doesn't help.

Tired now.

Dilsa1 Sun 27-Oct-13 22:30:41

Hey everyone,
I was on here weeks ago rather briefly- miserable as can be. Just after my last post, I was readmitted again to hospital for the third time for a few days. After that I had no energy to write and was generally quite despondent lol I did read this forum every day though!! Its been utterly miserable and so hard. I've remained offwork for months. (Im a doctor) anyway wanted to just let you know; mainly to give you all hope, that im pretty much recovered. Im 20w now and the biggest difference came in the last week, im off ondansetron and when I eat- it doesnt churn for 3 hours after lol the nausea ebbed away slowly from 16w but very very slowly. I really wanted to say this so for those who are as miserable as I was and I was as bad as it could get (narrowly missed steroids) but constant nausea/vomiting 30times plus a day and all the spiel we hg ladies go through- there is hope of recovery. For those past 20 weeks- maybe it'll be at 26 or 23 or 30 but the important thing is to keep hoping. I took meds from week 5 or so and our 20w scan was grand and its a girl.anyway im thinking of you all and will continue to read this. You are all truly in my prayers and as soon asI sort my life out since ive seen no one in 5m pretty much- im joining the sickness support group to help another sufferer. Will be in touch- much love- dilini x

Sally8655 Sun 27-Oct-13 22:42:45

Hi all

Meerka, glad all was well

Jen, hope things are improving on the family front. I know the stress family bring all too well.

Welcome to new ladies and sorry your here suffering with us.

Can't type too much as I'm really not doing too well. I've been pretty much back to early days lately. Just really wanted to say hi :-)

Xxxx

jenpatnim Sun 27-Oct-13 23:45:04

Oh sally, are you still taking the medicine?

Sally8655 Mon 28-Oct-13 08:41:10

Hi Jen

Yes but they don't seem to be doing much at all. Also in agony with SPD and back pain. It's awful.

eggybrokenoff Mon 28-Oct-13 08:50:48

oh sally you poor thing - can you get bavk to gp/consultant to see id anything else can help?

eggybrokenoff Mon 28-Oct-13 09:43:19

i am really struggling emotionally at the moment. very very blue, anxious, sad. that might be understandable given its been a tough time but its also dawning on me a bit that maybe i use food as a crutch or comfort. so right now with kids being tough and stuck in i would probably have a really lovely coffee and a big slab of cake. after a tough day i might have some wine and cheese. i might meet a friend for lunch or have a takeaway as a treat. take all that away and life can be a little glum!

Bezzabelle Mon 28-Oct-13 10:56:54

Eggy, totally understand where you are coming from. Mine is not being able to get out and about and see friends etc. but I also miss chocolate and tea and just actually fancying food rather than eating the beige food I've been living on for the past three weeks!

LucindaE Mon 28-Oct-13 11:25:44

Dilsa I remember you well. What a lovely message, thank you so much for coming back on to encourage people, thanks. I am so glad you are largely recovered - being sick thirty times a day sounds truly dreadful, ten times is horrific enough - and it is wonderful that as a doctor you are going to join the support groups. I'm only sorry you felt too ill to post on here and let off steam, it is nice to be able to offer symapathy when someone is as bad as that, if nothing else, but this awful thing makes people dizzy besides despondent.
Sally Oh no, can you get back on meds? It might be this nasty virus that's laid Eggy's family low, is it?
Eggy Hugs, it's not surprising you feel low, y ou must be exhausted.
I comfort myself with tea. I did miss that, like Bezza.
Jen Poor you, it may well be the strain, try not to fret (easy for me to say). Shift work might come in handy with LO's.
How did the storm affect Everyone? No people having the roof fall down around them while they were in bed, I hope...?
Lucinda
xx

eggybrokenoff Mon 28-Oct-13 11:49:47

waaaaaahhh tea. my great love. eggy breaks down and weeps into the toilet bowl. sniff.

Champagnebubble Mon 28-Oct-13 11:57:18

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Totesamazeballs Mon 28-Oct-13 12:50:37

Hi all,
Eggy - same here with food. I used to treat myself to cappuccinos etc too. I can take a bitdof decaf coffee - have you tried it? It seems to leave a less worse taste than tea. I still haven't really found 'my' drink. Everything just leaves a foul taste. The only thing I have eaten that doesn't is tahini, oh, and olives. I love the idea of Ribena though. I hope your family is on the me. Too. You have had a really rough time.

Dilsa - glad you are feeling so much better. I am finding the same with the nausea...it's very slow but definitely happening. The biggest issue for me is th foul taste. When did yours go? I can't remember when it went first time round.do you have more energy?

I have felt wiped out and more sick the last two days. Probably overdone it and not had enough sleep due to DSs cold.

Sally and Jen - sorry to hear you are both having a tough time. I hope you can both get some rest.

Lucinda - photoshoot wasn't glam. No beautiful setting, make up or nice clothes. This was me desperately trying to shuffle dust and paper around the room in preparation and then keeping DS occupied for the duration which wasn't easy as he wanted his daddy!

Storm passed us now and all intact. Garden and horse probably a bit ruffled! Mind you, upstairs looks like the storm has passed through. Furniture and clothes everywhere as we are in the middle of assembling flat packed wardrobes etc.

Bezzabelle Mon 28-Oct-13 14:33:01

Back at dr's, blood in my sick this morning. Sure that someone else on here had that??? Have lost 6lbs in 5 days. Feel wretched.

SicknSpan Mon 28-Oct-13 15:03:06

bezza I had a little tear in my throat which meant I had blood in the stuff I was bringing up. You poor love- can you talk to your dr about stronger meds? They can sometimes combine them so you get more doses in the same period of time- this is really helping me.

If your dr is not very sympathetic could you see another one? Really hope they get something sorted for you. Perhaps you could do with a few litres of fluids, it's a downhill spiral once you start and so v difficult to claw your way out of.

totes and eggy have you tried the opposite temperature from what your used to re: drinks? With both ds1 and ds2 and until the weekend with this one I could only contemplate iced water in teeny sips. But have stumbled across hot water with honey and lemon and it is actually a great deal more tolerable than the cold stuff. Odd.

eggybrokenoff Mon 28-Oct-13 16:18:53

bezza you poor love - i hope docs were helpful and came up with a plan of action.

so true about drinks. i am a hot drink devotee - tea, coffee, bush tea, chamomile. the coolest drink i have is red wine. now i cant stomach anything that isnt icy icy cold. weird.

Bezzabelle Mon 28-Oct-13 17:19:50

Thanks all, they gave me some different drugs to try- meta something or other. Somehow I'm not dehydrated, so just got to keep going. She didn't seem to go with my suggestion to put me to sleep for a month......

eggybrokenoff Mon 28-Oct-13 17:46:51

i wish there was a home drip system so in the evening we could sit down and plug ourselves in to a couple of litres and therefore not have to dry and force drink in all day

Totesamazeballs Mon 28-Oct-13 18:29:02

Oh eggy that sounds wonderful! Even now I don't drink enough because I just can't. I will try the hot water with lemon and honey.

Bezza - metoclopramide?

Bezzabelle Mon 28-Oct-13 19:50:36

Totes, yes that's the one! It's the third one I've tried now....

A drip at home sounds great, sure it would get rid of this constant dull thud in my head.

Just trying banana milkshake, not quite sure if its going to stay down at the moment but actually fancied it!

jenpatnim Mon 28-Oct-13 20:02:40

I can drink tea, but today I am feeling quite queasy. It is 8pm and I can't face dinner. I am feeling queasy and having really bad acid reflux. I just feel this acid bubbling in the back of my throat and it makes me want to puke. I have the dr on wednesday, so I will talk to him and ask him if there is anything I can take for it.

Sorry to hear others are still having a tough time. On the plus side, junior is kicking away like a trooper! It is such a strange feeling, very distracting!

MurderOfBanshees Mon 28-Oct-13 20:04:09

eggy That would be great!

LucindaE Mon 28-Oct-13 20:14:39

Bezza Poor you, I'm glad you are not dehydrated. Dare I ask if you have got them there kestostix at home to check too... Milkshakes seem to vary so much, helping some, reappearing horribly with others I think with blood it's a medical emergency if it's brown as a rule of thumb as it can be from the stomach (that happened with Melange who had her chimney come off in a storm too) but if it's red it's more often than not that cut in the throat experineced by SicknSpan.
MOB Eggy In the US they do seem to have 'home PICC' things available but only paid for under their health insurance. Eggy Champagneand Eggy and all the tea lovers, I do so feel fo r you about the tea, grin about shedding tears in the loo bowl...
xx

LucindaE Mon 28-Oct-13 20:16:08

Jen Cross posted. That's horrible. I do hope dr can recommend something. That heartburn can make you puke it gets so bad.
xx

Sally8655 Mon 28-Oct-13 21:32:55

Hi all

Bezza, milkshakes from McDonald's were good for me from about 12 weeks onwards. Couldn't look at one now though.

Jen, sounds awful, hope you feel better soon. I too agree that kicking feels strange. Bloody painful too! I know it's supposed to feel amazing but to me it's just weird. I'd panic if it stopped obviously, but can't say I enjoy it.

To all that are worried about fluids, I have done lots of research on this as I've really found it hard to drink. My GP and midwife have both informed me that the 2-3 litres a day is not really a must. It apparently is based on guidelines from the 70s and I was reassured that my one litre was sufficient so long as I was eating something. Early on, I was of course eating nothing but a few strawberries a day so it was more worrying then.

Today I felt a little better so decided to bake, this really surprised me as I'm still funny with most foods.
3 types of pie, a quiche and 20 banana choc muffins later and yes I'm feeling dreadful. I don't know why I do this to myself. It's not like I can eat it. Although I did have a muffin!
Dh is pleased he's getting fed again.

Hyperhelpmum Mon 28-Oct-13 21:59:36

Hello ladies, so sorry to hear everyone suffering so much. I'm on my last two weeks (c section booked for two weeks tomorrow) Can hardly believe there may be an end in sight. Feeling pretty nauseous all day most days again and I'm pretty certain I'm going to vomit before my times up but trying hard to keep it in! Just can't face puking with this bump. Had scan today to check position/ size and baby 6lb 9oz at 37+ weeks which is a good size really (though will be WAY smaller than DS2 who was 10lb! Although I know I'm in the last weeks I do feel quite low about how ill I feel. So much to get done and just don't feel like moving from sofa. More poor kids are missing out on our last weeks as I'm feeling too ropey to play/ give them much attention. Like everyone else, I just want to feel well sad

Bezzabelle Tue 29-Oct-13 07:06:48

Hyper- that is so rough when you have been sick the whole way through. It doesn't seem fair does it.

Sally, I'm very impressed with the baking, I'm totally useless at the moment and can't even put a wash on!!

Got a scan today at 9 weeks- eek! Do you think it'll be a normal belly one or internal?

Tallyra Tue 29-Oct-13 08:01:38

bezza, I'm sure it will be normal, mine were normal every week from 6 weeks, just. its amazing that they did this, they are still scanning me weekly because of so many missed miscarriages.

Meerka Tue 29-Oct-13 08:57:47

very rough today. cant eat, trying to drink. ketones between 2 and 3 of the little plusses, ie between 3 shades below the worst reading and 2 below. not sure if i should ring hospital ...

Meerka Tue 29-Oct-13 09:07:31

no, between 2 below the worst and 1 below .. cant think straight. between 4 and 8 of hte little numbers under tthe coloured square.

eggybrokenoff Tue 29-Oct-13 09:43:54

oh meerka sounds grim. i dont know what correct thing to do is but i would ring hospital ir gp or something i think. can you keep any fluids down?

MurderOfBanshees Tue 29-Oct-13 12:25:24

Feeling a bit sicky today, but I also felt the baby kick for the first time, and it's been fairly active since. Wonder if all the movement is what's setting me off?

meerka I'd call the hospital to be on the safe side.

bezza When I had a scan at 8 weeks it was a normal one, they always try and do that first.

RaRa1988 Tue 29-Oct-13 12:31:13

Bezza: I had a scan at 6+1 last week, and that was internal straight away - quite hard to see anything at that stage otherwise. Do you know if your womb is 'normal'? If it's retroverted, they'll have to do a transvaginal one. I'm not sure at what stage that changes - presumably it does at some point! - but 9 weeks is still quite early, and I was still having transvaginal scans at 12-14 weeks last time as my womb is severely retroverted.

Bezzabelle Tue 29-Oct-13 12:37:40

RaRa, think my womb is normal, didn't have any issues with ds but I only had the normal scan at 12 weeks then.

Meerka Tue 29-Oct-13 14:19:26

thanks - rang hospital. they said to keep drinking but not come in yet. still in a lot of discomfort.

mob so glad to hearyou're beter than before and that you felt baby.

just had results of cvs test. all is normal, its a boy. so relieved, was 1 in 20 chance of downs at my age.

gl bezza

LucindaE Tue 29-Oct-13 16:21:54

Meerka Mother hen hopes you can get those ketones down without going in. Happy news about those results.
Sally Congratulations on baking bonanza - it was home made milkshakes - pinapple flavour, but they don't seem to do it now - with crusha when recovering.
Hyper Oh dear, I am so sorry you have suffered more or less throughout, I think you had the grand total of two weeks off from suffering - you're a teacher, too - hopefully on ML since these last weeks.
MOB Very nice news about baby!
RaraInterestng news about retroverted uterus and scans...
Hope everyone is coping.
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored.
xx

LucindaE Tue 29-Oct-13 16:25:46

Wanted to add - and this is ironic, I couldn't read my own abominable handwriting - Meerka feeling muddle headed unfortunately is a common symptom of dehydration. I'm the first to admit I am a mudldle head anyway - giving people strange names, etc - but...
Bezza Best of luck with scan.
xx

eggybrokenoff Tue 29-Oct-13 16:53:45

i have a tip for you all - dont try and play musical bumps with a four yr old shortly after trying to manage a snack. he won. i ducked out in spectacular fashion

MurderOfBanshees Tue 29-Oct-13 19:51:05

This isn't HG related, but I didn't know where else to post.

Went to see my grandad today as it's his birthday, but he's in hospital again and we've now found out that he has an aneurysm in his stomach, which they think is too much of a risk to operate on, so now we are just waiting for it to rupture sad

So it looks like this pregnancy will also involve me losing a family member. Beginning to feel like me being pregnancy somehow jinxes my family. sad As if the pregnancy didn't suck enough already.

Tallyra Tue 29-Oct-13 19:59:52

oh mob that is horrible news

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 29-Oct-13 21:03:16

oh mob thanks

that is heartbreaking.

look after yourself sweetheart

Sally8655 Tue 29-Oct-13 21:51:39

Oh no mob that's awful, especially when your having to deal with this. I'm actually very fortunate to not have lost anybody so close yet, although my grandparents are at the point where we have discussed what will happen. Can only imagine the stress and heartache. Thinking of you xxx

I'm really suffering, headaches, nausea, vomiting, SPD and mega sore skin on bump.
Had to deal with the horrid GP in my surgery as the nice one that is really supportive is away this week. He has made me feel like crap all day. Picking at my weight, first making out I was dieting due to the huge loss and then criticising the fact that I'd put 3lb of it back on as my bmi was a bit high before i fell pregnant. Make your mind up or what. When I told him I was still sick but in my words "not as bad as the first 18 weeks, more like normal pregnancy sickness now" he told me it was not normal to have pregnancy sickness at 28 weeks and almost told me off for still taking meds. He said my paracetamol was ok but no other drugs were and that I should stop them altogether. So obviously all other doctors must be wrong then. Feel completely deflated and going to have to see the nice GP to voice my disappointment from today.

Sorry to rant. Feel better for it though :-)
Going to bed now in the hopes ill not be sick. Night all xxx

LucindaE Wed 30-Oct-13 08:58:28

MOB Really sorry, that is sad news. Hugs.
Sally I am outraged- this GP couldn't have been more insensitive - he must know his colleagues wouldn't prescribe at the drop of a hat - I'd be tempted to complain about this when you get better, and that hospital treatment too. I don't think he is well up on hyperemesis and imagines ou have normal MS - though how he equates that with hospital admissions, I don't know - I am far from sure weight is a factor, myself and many others were a couple of pounds underweight when we got it (and became more so!). Have you got enough meds to go on with until the understanding GP comes back?
Hope Everyone is coping.
Meerka Did you manage to keep out of hospital?
xx

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 30-Oct-13 10:09:37

oh sally he sounds a right plum

he contradicts himself at every turn the eejit
dieting vs weight
shouldn't be sick at 28 wks vs shouldn't take the meds

yep try and stay away from him in future

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 30-Oct-13 10:10:37

sal, do you moisturize/ bio oil bump? I ready that on baby centre the other week, can help on sore boobs and bumps.

Bezzabelle Wed 30-Oct-13 15:05:14

I've only been sick three times today!!! Yippeeee! Thought I should put the good days down instead of just moaning about the crap days like I normally do!!

eggybrokenoff Wed 30-Oct-13 15:19:30

mob i am so sorry, how very very sad for your family.

sally that doctor needs a slap. i would really try and find the energy to complain.

whoever had a sore bump i used derma mum or something from boots last two pregancies. comes in a huge tub, doesnt look pretty or designer more like a prescription emollient tub but it is great stuff and lasts ages.

hope all are coping today

Champagnebubble Wed 30-Oct-13 15:33:28

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 30-Oct-13 21:35:56

if easier you can email complaint to doc? but I guess you cant be sure who'd access an email, you could write to practice manager

Sally8655 Wed 30-Oct-13 21:46:01

Sorry not to reply earlier, I'm so poorly right now I just couldnt face it. Not been able to eat much, been sick quite a bit, dizzy, headaches and starting to see things. It's very strange. It's happened a few times now. Just sitting on the sofa and its like a big black spot or spots just appear in front of me. It really gave me a shock and I jumped with fright today.
I'm so tired but can't sleep. Really fed up.

I will be speaking to the nice GP when he returns but its best not to put in a complaint in as its owned by the GP I'd be complaining about.
Think im going to ask them to do bp and urine test tomorrow as I feel so ill and midwife didnt check last appointment.

Sally8655 Wed 30-Oct-13 21:50:06

Ps, using bio oil on belly but I'm so stretched its just really painful and skin stings loads. It's real itchy too. After all my complications and extreme symptoms, I think I'm just allergic to pregnancy and need this little boy out!

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 30-Oct-13 22:21:13

sad poor you sal. It's just shite isn't it. rotten and draining and just a massive 40 week drag. sad

cannot wait for my baby and to feel human again! come on March

Meerka Thu 31-Oct-13 20:59:49

This is the husband of Meerka. She is admitted in the hospital and asked me to let you all know.

She had a fever yesterday, but it is gone now. She's on IV-fluid, paracetamol and had some antibiotics to battle an infection. She had cramp-pains, but they are less now. Hopefully she's back home soon, when the pain is gone.

RaRa1988 Thu 31-Oct-13 21:05:51

Oh bless her sad Hope she's better soon flowers

ChaffinchOfDoom Thu 31-Oct-13 21:22:14

poor Meerka sad Get well soon X

eggybrokenoff Fri 01-Nov-13 06:59:41

oh poor meerka i hope she feels better soon

Totesamazeballs Fri 01-Nov-13 08:31:02

Please send Meerka hugs from us all thanks

MurderOfBanshees Fri 01-Nov-13 08:44:38

Oh poor thing, hope she feels better soon x

Tallyra Fri 01-Nov-13 09:31:14

hospitals are horrible, sending meerka huge hugs.

LucindaE Fri 01-Nov-13 10:06:24

Poor Meerka that sounds so horrible. I do hope she feels a lot better soon. Sending cyber hugs to her, or gentle pats...
Sally That sounds awful; is it faintness, I wonder? Mother hen hopes you get it checked out asap. I an see how awkward it would be complaining about the practice head, but it is infuriating to think that he should get away with being so rude and unsympathetic, practically blaming you for suffering.
Chaffinch I so agree about some GP's. How are you, now?
Bezza Congratulations on better day. It's awful when being sick three times is a good day, but...confused
Eggy That 'DermaMum* sounds good. How is everyone in your family now, and you especailly?
MOB More hugs.
Champagne I'm so glad you had unanimous support from the surgery.
Hope Everyone is OK. Bet I've cross posted with someone, I usually do.
xx

LucindaE Fri 01-Nov-13 10:07:22

Sorry, Tallyra. I meant to say, is the improvement continuing?
xx

SicknSpan Fri 01-Nov-13 12:30:33

Hi all. Sorry that Meerka is suffering so badly. Thinking of you Mrs.

Am managing like bezza to only be sick three of four times a day. Yay! maybe it's something to do with tthe the fact that we're nearing our second trimester?

Dr has given me a whole months worth of ondansetron (at £14.85 per daily dose - eek) as well as cyclizine and was very supportive of doing so. Said that the cost was minimal in comparison with me having to go back into hospital. I am v grateful of my gp practice today!

Half term here and and the only day this week I have felt up to any activities with my lovely ds's. . Halloween isn't really a big event in our family so I am going to get them to think aabout the next event - Xmas in a while. Two copies of the argos catalogue and some scissors at the ready!

Hope everyone mmanages to have a stable day wwithout too much illness x

Tallyra Fri 01-Nov-13 13:25:42

yrs thanks lucinda, I'm now coping with steroid induced appetite, so I've gone from one extreme to the other!

eggybrokenoff Fri 01-Nov-13 18:57:16

yes lucinda all on the mend here though dcs still pretty wiped.

i too have not managed much half term fun. all a bit sad really but hoping for a nice weekend.

hope all are well x

ChaffinchOfDoom Fri 01-Nov-13 20:43:15

I am OK, thanks, Lucinda, managed to miss lunchtime ondansatron by staying v busy whizzing round after the kids, then having a nap after my own lunch. seemed to work OK today,
tonight Im heartburny though and have started in good with the PGP and sciatic hip pain, mostly on the right but also flashes on the left butt cheek. Hurts most when I wash up! the slight leaning forward angle I think.. excuse to leave the pots hehehe

jenpatnim Fri 01-Nov-13 22:16:47

I am amazed by all the people who have been told the cost of their ondansetron - I have been on it since 8 weeks (now at 25) and not once has my gp mentioned that it is an expensive medicine. I guess I am lucky?

I have very much enjoyed my week off, some nausea, especially today after going shopping with OH and his mother.... it was somewhat exhausting. Other than that I am doing ok. My 24 week checkup went well, the dr said I was measuring to date, heartbeat sounded good, bp and urine normal. So all that is good. I got gaviscon for the acid burning in the back of my throat but the dr said if it doesn't work I can take my omezaprole, just try the gaviscon first. Only issue with getting it on prescription - aniseed flavour? I am a bit nervous about trying it, tbh.

Family stress continues but I am taking a back seat. I don't want to let it get to me.

Big hugs to all fellow HG sufferers, it is a hard path we are on. Thanks be to this board for all the support and knowledge, it has been an incredible help so far. xx

Meerka Sat 02-Nov-13 07:25:32

Yesterday they tested her blood, and there were a little more white bloodcells then the previous test, a day before. That means she was still battling the infection. The hospital likes to keep her there until monday. She is feeling a lot better, and has no more fever, which gives us a bit more hope.

Thanks for the well-wishes.

Sally8655 Sat 02-Nov-13 08:12:48

So pleased meerka is feeling a bit better and will be home soon. It's just not fair to have to suffer from a bug when coping with HG. She's in our thoughts.

Jen, pleased you had a better week while you were off work. You deserved it!

I'm suffering badly but not sure exactly what's wrong. Don't know if the latest symptoms are normal for third trimester or if I'm coming down with something.
Just feel really odd, headaches and nausea still present but also incredibly tired and hot flushes. Brain isn't working and just feel strange.
Dh is away to London tomorrow for a couple of days so I'm by myself. Then on the 14th he's off to Hong Kong. His boss is really not thinking of our situation at all. I've had to put my foot down and say no more travelling till after the baby is born. It's just getting ridiculous now. He's so overworked and hasn't been able to take any annual leave this year. I've got the biggest feeling that he's not going to get time off when the baby is born.
Winge over until the next time xxx

Totesamazeballs Sat 02-Nov-13 12:15:59

Hi all. Thanks for the updates Meerkas DH! I hope he recovery continues apace. Sympathy to everyone having to deal with upsetting issues on top of feeling crap.

Sally - DH had one day off when DS was born - the day after - and we were in hospital. I had to get my parents to pick me up when we were allowed out and could only stay a few hours as they had to fly abroad due to a sudden family illness. I did the nights on my own and I was a bit scared but you quickly find your feet.

Handbagsonnhold Sat 02-Nov-13 12:31:25

Hi new to site and thread and currently 10 wks and feeling like I've been exhumed. On Cyclizine but not making much difference 24/7 hangover stylie and terrified I'm in it for duration....prev preg it never left me ended up on IV for fluids n puked right until birth...so sick of hearing myself moaning but can barely get out of bed....to all of you suffering you have my sympathy....Pregnancy I feel is to be endured .....anyway I'm off porcelain bowl calling .....hmm

Sally8655 Sat 02-Nov-13 13:43:12

Totes that sounds awful, ill flip if he doesn't get time off. His boss is taking the mick. Every time we are told its his last trip, another is landed on him. I know we should be grateful he has a job as I was made redundant recently but he's working 16 hour days, sometimes more and it's not appreciated at all. He's not getting paid overtime either. I will be furious if he doesn't get his annual leave.

LucindaE Sat 02-Nov-13 14:08:44

Handbagsonhold Welcome - sorry you are suffering so - and had to break off to visit the dreaded bowl - I hope it lets up earlier for you this time, it might yet. If you are so ill, and were in the last preg I dno't understand why they have only got you on cyclezine only, surely a cocktail is needed or maybe even steroids? A you are a veteran, I don't need to say my 'Have you got kesostix?' stuff.
Meerka Thanks for keeping us updated. This is all so worrying for you both. I'm glad the fever has gone. Did they know what caused the infection?
Sally You poor thing, employers seem to get more and more demanding. I hope the very ill feeling is a virus, say - when is the nicer GP back?
Tallyra Appetite? This sounds good.
SicknSpan Thank goodness for a reduction from that alarming number of times when you joined this thread, was it twenty plus times a day?
Bezza I hope you are continuing to feel a bit better.
Chaffinch of Doom That is one good thing, anyway!
Eggy You shouldn't expect much of yourself in the way of activity at all. Cluck,cluck.
Jen This is all lovely news,except for family worries. Hugs over those and for Murder of Banshees too for hers.
Totes and Sally These mean employers. People don't seem to be allowed to have a life. No leave, sixteen hour days, constant business trips.
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.

Handbagsonnhold Sat 02-Nov-13 15:11:58

Thanks Lucinda Im back to GP on Monday and hopefully can find something to take the edge off....I feel like I could cope with just the sickness....or....just the nausea/heads ....but the two combined!....well I'm sure everyone on here understands. Have been reading thread with interest and thinking of you all x

RaRa1988 Sat 02-Nov-13 18:03:36

I just need a whinge... sad Feeling really really crap now. Barely eaten or drunk since Wednesday and I'm feeling really sick and tired/worn out and my back's hurting and I just feel all round awful sad. I know there's nothing any of you can do, but just wanted to have a whinge.

eggybrokenoff Sat 02-Nov-13 19:07:45

hi handbags. sorry you have had to join this particular party.

ra ra whinge away it is so shitty.

i went to the toilet for a wee earlier. as soon as he heard the door my not quite 2yr old came running shouting uh oh mummy feel sick mummy feel sick. made me really sad it is affecting him.

ive not even had a scan yet and cant let myself believe this is even real until then

Handbagsonnhold Sat 02-Nov-13 19:15:05

Hi eggy, Rara ....purely vile isn't it....eggy I've also got a 3yo says "it's ok it's just mummy being sick again" madness isn't it ....the only time it goes is when asleep!...I'm so glad I was guided to this thread ....feel awful for all of you guys but at least we can moan together....confused

Bb14 Sat 02-Nov-13 20:23:58

Hi. This is my first post in this thread. I'm 16 weeks pregnant and have been struggling. Got admitted to hospital on Monday. I'm have epilepsy and all the vomiting meant I had no drugs in my body so started fitting. I got out of hospital yesterday and the mixture of drugs seem to stop the vomiting but not the nausea. Is this normal? Hope you are all coping ok. Thought I'd be over this by 16 weeks! X

eggybrokenoff Sat 02-Nov-13 20:33:31

bb people get various responses to different drugs but yeah continuing nausea is a fairly common theme! what drugs have you got?

lots of people do start to feel better. i am not one of those sadly - its the whole 40 weeks for me but that is pretty rare

Handbagsonnhold Sat 02-Nov-13 20:33:37

Bb so sorry sounds awfulhmm I hope your medication is sorted properly now....thinking of you x

Bb14 Sat 02-Nov-13 20:44:26

I have cyclizine and ondansetron and increased dose of my epilepsy meds to keep me out I trouble. I do feel much better than last week. As I'm sure you all appreciate i just find it all so tiring especially with a 2 yr old to look after as well. I hope you all feel better soon x

Bezzabelle Sat 02-Nov-13 22:03:22

Evening all and welcome to newbies.
Sorry to hear about everyone suffering, it's blinking hard work this growing a baby malarkey!
Here, I am struggling like mad from early morning to about 4pm and then get a bit of respite from the sickness although still have no energy and can only lie on sofa! Apart from medical appts, I haven't got dressed or been out of house for 4 weeks now so feeling pretty fed up and feel that time is dragging. Ill be ten weeks on Monday so praying it eases up in a couple of weeks so I can get some sort of life back and be a better mummy to DS.
Thoughts to everyone and fingers crossed for better week ahead. Oh and have discovered super noodles are a life saver! They seem to stay down and have been a good (although unhealthy!!) replacement for bread which I can no longer eat as had a horrific experience of it getting lodged in my throat on Friday when my toast came back up.....

jenpatnim Sat 02-Nov-13 22:05:19

Flip, lots of new sufferers. I'm sorry to see you all needing to be here, but glad that the thread is here for you.

I am a little better, sick-wise. Bit stressed about other stuff, OH is stressed with work and I worry about him if he gets down. I know there is nothing I can do - given that I suffer from clinical depression myself, I know that external influence doesn't necessarily help. I just worry about him. I hope he picks up quickly from it. sad

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 02-Nov-13 22:23:39

hey newbies!

Rara - not eaten since Wednesday! jeez louise chick, your back might be hurting with achy kidneys sad
are you sipping water / hot water & lemon... or sucking ice...anything you can for liquid?
you may need an urgent doc apt - or pee on some ketostix <buy from chemist> they will show you if you're dehydrated - if so it's urgent doc apt

ChaffinchOfDoom Sat 02-Nov-13 22:28:42

this is my second pg with hyperemesis - and am pleased-ish to say although I have it again this time it is much more 'do-able' this time and now I'm at 18 weeks it has improved immeasurably from my low point, hospitalisation at week 9

ondansatron 3x a day and lots of scalding hot cups tea, I have a bearable level of nausea as long as I eat plenty.

It gets better, folks as every day passes it's one day closer.

LucindaE Sun 03-Nov-13 10:05:33

B14 Welcome, sorry to hear of such a horrible experience, that must be so difficult- it makes me think, I should have thought before about how it must affect people who need to retain other drugs. It's awful you are still suffering violently out of the first tri and I hope it recedes a bit soon.
Handbagsonhold You get migraines too? I found that combination of head pain and sickness the worst thing - mother hen hopes you are not dehydrated?
Eggy and Others Ah, it's a shame about these LO's getting a bit anxious about it - some women have said for some reason it helped to get them to pretend to have it too with their own little bowl - it sounds grotesque, but the LO's took to it - I suppose because they come to terms with reality through play or whatever?
Back soon. With all these landmarks passing, All's Hallow Eve, November the 5th, time is gradually passing.
Back soon. Hope Everyone is not suffering too much today.
xx

LucindaE Sun 03-Nov-13 10:07:43

Rara Just seen your post - you must be fairly dehydrated now, mother hen is worried about that - have you checked with the famous sticks or is your urine dark, your vision a bit blurred, skin dry etc?
xx

RaRa1988 Sun 03-Nov-13 11:12:14

Chaffinch / Lucinda : How did you know?! Lower back/hip-bone area is KILLING me - keep having to take codeine for it. Think I've given myself a UTI sad . Sorry for tmi (but you did ask!), but my pee in the night was so thick it was practically a syrup and I almost had to force it out if that makes any sense? Very dark too. Vision fine I think - not that I've been exerting myself though (been off work with it, but had I been in doing 12 hours yesterday and 12 hours today as planned, I think I might've cried), but actually yes, skin is very dry. And ITCHY. Especially around my hairline - typical for me as I've got Afro-Caribbean type hair and the dry scalp that comes with it - but I hate the thought that I might look like I've got nits/fleas! hmm Got thrush that I can't get rid of n all - was nearly away, and then this horrible period of MS seems to have brought it back with a vengence. Gonna call the surgery as soon as they open tomorrow.

ChaffinchOfDoom Sun 03-Nov-13 11:15:58

codeine is ok if seriously needed, but watch your doses and timings don't go over

dial 100 or is it 101 and go to your drop in clinic TODAY you syrup wee-er!!

LucindaE Sun 03-Nov-13 11:32:04

Rara I think you probably are seriously dehydrated - usually kesostix from a chemist is the best way of telling, but with the lack of urine and the lcolour, I think you should either make an emergency phone call to the GP or if there's no joy there and they don't treat it as an emergency, see if you can get straight to A and E to see if you need admitting. I don't know if the blurred vision always applies. Don't want to worry you, but it sounds like it's got to the point when you need fluids through IV you'll feel a lot better for some liquids and it's hard to take decisions when you are dehydrated - another symtpom, a wooly headed feeling. Never worry about tmi, no such thing on here.
xx

RaRa1988 Sun 03-Nov-13 12:44:04

Thanks you two smile The problem is, I work for the OOH service in my area.... Not really easy to contact them when I don't want everyone knowing I'm pg - can't control who answers the call or who sees the case! I did speak to a nurse from work yesterday who said that unless I get down to under 8st, I should be ok to see my own GP tomorrow, so I'm going to ring them first thing. Do you know if I need to see a GP or a midwife?? confused

Re codeine, I got given them at A&E after going in re cramping a couple of weeks ago. I've had codeine before, including fairly long-term usage, so I know what I'm doing with it - but definitely agreed that I'd prefer not to be on it! I dunno about 'wooly headed' (think that's probably the codeine!), but I've definitely got to the little-child-can't-cope-any-more-just-keep-crying-and-feeling-sorry-for-myself stage.

<waves at all the new sufferers>

Sorry to see you all here, but we'll all get through this together.

The nausea seems to be staying under control (as long as I don't miss my steroids/ondansetron) but I'm now just utterly exhausted. Last pregnancy I assumed the exhaustion was because I was being sick all the time and not eating, but it's here this time even though I'm doing much better. I could sleep all day quite easily.

I am so fed up of being pregnant.

RaRa You can see either, sounds quite likely you'll be sent to hospital and put on a drip, and both can refer you.

LucindaE Sun 03-Nov-13 13:43:08

Wavesto Murder of Goths
Rara That's awkward about this. You could go straight to outpatients, they'd test your urine, that is, if you are up to driving or can get someone to drive you. Is there a chemists open where you can get kesostix? If it's more than 3+ it's a medical emergency.

RaRa1988 Sun 03-Nov-13 14:46:11

Will I only get sent to hospital if there's ketones in my urine? I've been managing 400-500 cals a day since Thursday night so that should be enough to stop my body eating itself when I haven't been doing anything, shouldn't it???

LucindaE Sun 03-Nov-13 16:31:27

Rara This is a complicated one - I wish I was a medical expert on it - but i think if you haven't been able to drink much you can get ketones enough to worry them sometimes. It is true, though, that most women who are admitted haven't been able to drink let alone eat for a couple of days, so if you have managed to eat something, maybe that will keep it from skyrocketing to an alarming level?
xx

eggybrokenoff Sun 03-Nov-13 16:50:14

no expert but rara i tjink you should see someone asap

ChaffinchOfDoom Sun 03-Nov-13 18:39:12

it's the uti thing too.. you don't want it in your kidneys ma fleur. how are you now? able to drink? don't let doc fob you off tomorrow it's v important, I would see gp over mw as you might need antibiots

feekerry Sun 03-Nov-13 18:55:48

hello ladies
... hope all okay?! just dropping in for a quick check.....
sally , champagne , Jen totes and murder... all okay?
lucinda hope all is okay too. sorry to anyone i have missed.
13 weeks to go now for me. thank the lord!! scans every 2 weeks now due to my lo kidney issue. shouldx be just straight forward progress scans tho.
everyone sick of being massive???!

Sally8655 Sun 03-Nov-13 19:16:55

Fee I'm fed up of being big. My belly button is looking like its going to pop out!
So uncomfortable and can never sleep. Dh is away to London for a couple of days so fending for myself again but this time with no sisters to help.
Still feeling really sick and not quite right. Back to docs tomorrow for me.
Hope your keeping as well as can be xxx

jenpatnim Sun 03-Nov-13 19:42:29

I have had a sicky day, feeling kinda rubbish. I am so so so tired, all the time, and I have to go back to work tomorrow after my week off - BOO.

Baby is kicking away, and that is all good. I'm not massive yet - in fact, I am still wearing my normal jeans. I definitely look pregnant, though. I am sleeping ok, mostly cause I am so shattered, I think.

I have bought some baby clothes and things, but I am finding it so hard to know what to get! I don't understand nappy sizes, I don't get what you are supposed to use for sleeping, it is all so complicated. I don't know what to buy for feeding, do I still buy bottles etc if I am planning to try to bf? AAARGH I just don't know what to do. sad

feekerry Sun 03-Nov-13 19:44:26

i have to wee about a million times a day/night. even once i go i need again. does my head in.
not long for you now tho sally.
when is your due date?x

feekerry Sun 03-Nov-13 19:47:55

Jen i never bothered with bottles or emergency formula. all can be easily picked up from shop if bf is a disaster... baby grows and vests all the way. white if poss so you can bleach the stains out!!.
first size/size 1 newborn nappies should be fine for most new borns to tide you over till you can get more of a different size if req. my dd was quite big at birth and newborn size 1 fitted for at least 4 weeks!

ChaffinchOfDoom Sun 03-Nov-13 19:49:07

have a minor cold, feel massive, uncomfortably bloated after each meal, always the nausea, headachy, bleurgh

feekerry Sun 03-Nov-13 19:50:01

sorry hadn't finished.... few blankets for sleeping and swaddling but i got a few of those zip up swaddle wraps as much easier. babe should be fine in a moses basket for first 6 weeks at least!

ChaffinchOfDoom Sun 03-Nov-13 19:57:52

I never bought bottles/ dummies, the array of choice is so bewildering. asda/lidl/Tesco any brand newborns 3/4 packs to start you off, the sticky bits on them allow all different gripping sizes IYSWIM!

about 8 vests - tshirt style sleeves/ vest straps with the poppers for nappy changes, then a sleep suit over the top, like a onesie with poppers down the front. loads people will probably buy you clothes ie mini boots/ trousers, but they are a faff to use aside form special occasions

I will be getting several muslin cloths, great for anything, nappy changes while out, burping - lie on your shoulder to protect your top from baby vom, and I still have some soft blankets from my other two, for the buggy and just general snuggling

also a few small towels just for baby for bathtimes

cotton wool and a small bowl for warm water nappy changes, I never used wipes on mine til they were 3mths+ just cotton wool & warm water for nappy change time, also 2 nappy change mats, one for upstairs, one for downstairs

def. a bouncy chair, lifesaver when you need 2 hands,

my sister has my bumboo, don't need that til 4-5 mths, again a useful secure seat

I want an inflatable soft ring to help teach sitting up, dunno where my last one went, easy to buy second hand as machine washable

also door bouncer lot of fun from 4 1/2 months ish

ChaffinchOfDoom Sun 03-Nov-13 19:59:35

...cot sheets / mattress and moses basket, also play mat and some soft toys smile smile smile

ChaffinchOfDoom Sun 03-Nov-13 20:01:03

....bibs. you can never have enough. keep everywhere, in every room and coat pocket, in car, change bag...

Champagnebubble Sun 03-Nov-13 20:13:42

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Tallyra Sun 03-Nov-13 20:40:29

that's a useful list, thanks! we are just starting to wonder what we might need.

Sally8655 Sun 03-Nov-13 20:53:35

Liking all the tips on what to buy! Got most things now, just need my muslin cloths and getting my pram this month. I decided to just use the carrycot from the pram instead of a Moses basket as I've already got a travel cot downstairs and a cot upstairs. Seems crazy to buy another baby bed when ill only use it a few weeks.

Fee I'm full term on 2nd jan (my birthday) and think they are inducing me then due to all my complications and health issues. Not long at all really, think its just over 8 weeks. Very scary!! Got my hospital appointment next week to find out what's happening to me with labour.
Would have liked to go the full 40 weeks instead of just 37 but at the same time I can't wait to get this baby out as my body is not coping well at all.

Managed to get my maternity allowance etc sorted so feel like I've really accomplished something. Got loads I want to do around the house before baby comes but I've no energy at all.

Xxx

Definitely get muslin cloths, DS was a sicky baby (how appropriate huh?) and we were constantly washing them.

Oh one thing I didn't realise I'd need so much was maternity pads! I got through loads of the damn things, used to have to send DH out in a panic to buy more.

Sally8655 Sun 03-Nov-13 21:39:42

Mog, are the maternity pads much different to standard sanitary towels?
Also did you need them for long? What about breast pads? Sorry for all the questions but obviously not had to do this before :-)

Oh yes, standard sanitary towels will definitely not do the job! I needed them for a few weeks after, longer than I expected to, it is nothing like a period.

I never needed breast pads in the end, but then I also struggled to breastfeed/express, probably after being so ill with the HG. Doubt I had the reserves to produce milk.

RaRa1988 Sun 03-Nov-13 21:54:36

Thanks for your help, guys smile . I'll call the surgery first thing in the morning. Got a jar on the back of the loo so I can take a sample with me - not managing to pee very much, so won't be able to do one on demand!

Hyperhelpmum Sun 03-Nov-13 21:58:39

Hi all checking in to say its my last week of hyperemesis! Can hardly believe I've nearly made it! C section booked for 12th (my due date as they were fully booked next week!) cannot wait to not feel sick/ burpy/ ill. Had HG to 20 weeks with DS1 then felt fine, no HG with DS2 and all the way through this time (its a little girl). I've only put on 1.5 stone as opposed to 3+ stones with my boys! May be due to losing 2.5 in first trimester though. Maternity pads a MUST in my exp. I needs them for at least 2 weeks then large always ultra for another two or three. That may be just me though. Also neede lots of bras and tops as my milk came in whilst in hospital and boy was I leaky! Hope everyone is coping ok and it can be done ladies. I have struggled through with two children, work, DH always at work. Not pleasant and will NEVER do tips again but I can't wait to meet her now and my best advice- don't look too far ahead, take each day as it comes and REST as much as you can (not easy for most of us).

Hyperhelpmum Sun 03-Nov-13 22:01:21

Ps never do this again!!!! Not tips! Also seek treatment for heartburn indigestion ASAP as I suffered unnecessarily for a few weeks (gaviscon did nothing) and have felt marginally better and able to eat on omprezanole (spelling?)

Bezzabelle Sun 03-Nov-13 22:02:14

Fee, you probably already know this but when you go to the toilet at night, try leaning as forward as you possibly can and it helps to empty more of your bladder that way.

Sally8655 Sun 03-Nov-13 22:07:45

Gosh didnt realise it would be so much, I panic with a heavy period! I hate my monthly as I'm squeamish with blood.
I wonder how you know what is normal or what is not. I've heard some really horrid stories.

RaRa I'm pleased your going back to GP. I'm not peeing much either, feel like I need to go every 5 min but when I sit on the loo it just doesn't happen. Going to make a conscious effort to try and drink more tomorrow, hopefully keeping it down. I used to be able to drink loads now I struggle half a glass

Sally8655 Sun 03-Nov-13 22:11:34

Haha bezza, I try leaning forward every time and nearly toppled off the other day!

Sally8655 Sun 03-Nov-13 22:13:25

Hyper so pleased your nearly there!! Let us know how you feel immediately after :-)

GirlsGotInk85 Sun 03-Nov-13 22:52:48

HELP!! This is my 4th pregnancy, in my last three I had "normal" morning sickness until about week 12. This time it's been hell!! I'm only 7+³ weeks along and I already think I can't cope. I'm being sick up to 8 times a day but it's not that bothering me, it's the constant sever nausea and wretching. I've been in bed nearly a week and just feel absolutely terrible. The doctor put me on prochlorperazine but they didn't work and just made my tongue numb, I'm now on cyclizine but they don't seem to be working either. I've tried all the usual home remedies but nothing works :-( . I don't know how I will get through the next week never mind the rest of my pregnancy :'(

RaRa1988 Mon 04-Nov-13 16:52:31

I've been to GP and she referred me to MAU, where i've been most of the day. GP said ketones were 3+ and I'd get put on a drip. MAU doctor said their clever machine showed they were really only 2 and so, whilst I'm not in a good place, their policy is to only admit ladies whose ketones are 4 or more or else 'the place would be full up' hmm. So I've been sent home with cyclizine (thrown up three times since taking it confused and a sick note. Joy.

ChaffinchOfDoom Mon 04-Nov-13 17:16:10

yes, while I was in hosp this time they were moving over to a machine that analysed ketones rather than the human eye, much more accurate results.

Im glad you got yourself checked out, now its a question of finding everyway possible to get moisture into your body Rara!!

scalding hot drinks, freezing cold, frozen lemonade, the juice outta tin fruit... melon, cucumber,

ChaffinchOfDoom Mon 04-Nov-13 17:19:52

Hey there girlsgotink

sorry you feel so poo.

cyclizine didn't work for me, you can go back to docs for an upgrade...the ''best'' tablets are ondansetron

be prepared for pharmacists to lie about it's availability, it is available though, may need a consultant to prescribe so you may need to a) get admitted or b) await a consultant appointment?

eat little and often, try not to get madly hungry. It's so hard I know. Lovely Lucinda will be along soon with nausea advice I'm sure.
congratulations on your 4th shock
wonderful news! grin

LucindaE Mon 04-Nov-13 17:25:57

GrilsGotInk Welcome, really sorry you are suffering - surely they can give you something stronger - sorry, I am having trouble with my pc again so I don't dare go out of this post to check if you had it in each pregnancy before - but if you have suffered before, I can't imagine why they have just given you cyclizine. Can you get anyone to back you up to argue your corner with the GP? There's a lot of helpful information about meds on the link in the introductory blurb - eight times a day will soon have you dehydrated as you know better than me as a veteran.
Rara Oh, dear, 4+ ketones sieems very high when it's treated as an emergency in most hospitals at 3+? Poor you, and only to get cyclezine is maddening. Sally Feel for you over size. I think everyone's belly button does pop out? Have you had any luck with GP?
Reebok Lovely to hear from you and I don't know how you have kept going with LO's, work, etc, I am so glad the end of the misery approaches for you. Do keep us informed this last week.
Feekerry Lovely tohear from you too and great advice from you and
Chaffinch. Chaffinch Oh dear, doesn't sound good for you or Jen. Jen I hope it wasn't too bad at work today? Murder of Goths I so agree about maternity pads Bezza andSally Lol about falling off loo.
SicknSpam Handbags and Everyone I hope coping...
Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked, probably cross posted.
Lucinda
xx

eggybrokenoff Mon 04-Nov-13 19:59:04

hi all, hi new posters. sorry you are feeling so bad.

i thought i was feeling a little batter and have gone mad busy last couple of days of the hols - with the result that i have worn myself out and am now sick as a parrot again. this illness is so frustrating. still only 11 weeks - looong way to go.

v exciting that some ladies are prepped to pop though! sonetimes i forget this is all about making actual babies!

Totesamazeballs Mon 04-Nov-13 20:14:30

Hi all!
Good to hear from you Feekerry and welcome to the new faces!

Ra Ra - I couldn't drink at all for the first few weeks and lived on ice lollies. It was enough to keep my ketones down. Have you tried lollies? R Whites Lemonade ones were my fav, as were homemade ones from lemon squash.
It is such an awful time. I almost forget how bad.

Sally - how did you get on at the GP?

I am still getting better. Got the sicky feeling still and gross taste but it's not actual nausea anymore. Living off olive sandwiches and pizza and eating more than I want to because it helps to keep the sicky feeling down. I don't think people will believe I was so sick as the weight is going on quickly. Keep getting colds though and struggling with energy but I think that is normal. I am wondering if the gross taste will persist through the whole of the pregnancy like last time. Poo! 17 + 5 today.

Tallyra Mon 04-Nov-13 20:42:09

Totes I agree so much about the weight gain. since the nausea went I've had a steroid induced appetite and I'm back to my previous size almost. I went back to work today and everyone said how well I look. but the horrible taste is still there and the only way of getting rid of it is to eat!!!

Hyperhelpmum Mon 04-Nov-13 21:01:30

Hi girlsgotink, cyclizine did nothing for me and I carried on vomiting until I had ondansetron - would love something that gets rid of nausea- nothing really did. Ondansetron helped with vomiting but still felt nauseous. I'm feeling so sick again in week 39. Quite miserable really. It's almost all day and just when I want to be getting things sorted sad I know I shouldn't complain as I'm a week off relief but its so unpleasant bring back at this point sad let's pray they find an anti nausea cure as most of us agree it is as bad if not worse than the actually puking!

Hyperhelpmum Mon 04-Nov-13 21:02:26

Hi girlsgotink, cyclizine did nothing for me and I carried on vomiting until I had ondansetron - would love something that gets rid of nausea- nothing really did. Ondansetron helped with vomiting but still felt nauseous. I'm feeling so sick again in week 39. Quite miserable really. It's almost all day and just when I want to be getting things sorted sad I know I shouldn't complain as I'm a week off relief but its so unpleasant bring back at this point sad let's pray they find an anti nausea cure as most of us agree it is as bad if not worse than the actually puking!

Sally8655 Mon 04-Nov-13 21:30:40

Evening all,

What a day!
Firstly didnt sleep a wink last night so was feeling rather rough this morning. Had an appointment with thd GP due to not feeling right at all, besides the HG that is. Not the GP I wanted as he is still away but knew I needed to be checked out quickly. Saw a rather nice lady who went into a state of panic when my blood pressure was 160/96 there were also proteins in my urine. So due to this I was sent to hospital until blood pressure came down. I'm now back home in my comfy bed and trying to take it easy. Have to monitor blood pressure more closely now as could be the start of preclampsia. Back to docs again Wednesday for more tests and jabs :-(

Handbagsonnhold Mon 04-Nov-13 21:54:38

Evenin all....Sally so sorry to hear about your hosp trip and hope you feeling much better.

Hello other newbies (like myself)!

Girls on ink....hello the Cyclizine was not helping with me either saw Dr today and now on Ondansetron so hoping it may curb the sickness. Hope you feeling a little better

Had my nuchal bloods taken today as an ancient of moo moo mother to be am a bit worried about that. At least got up today for my 'outing' ....yesterday spent mainly in bed as outrageous nausea.

Moaning over (gosh I'm so chuffed I can have a rant on ere').

Wishing us all a 'vomless'evening x

ChaffinchOfDoom Mon 04-Nov-13 22:18:02

'ancient of moo moo'

:-) why is a song twinkling through my head when I hear that

Handbagsonnhold Mon 04-Nov-13 22:21:06

'And they're driving Ice cream vans'......

SicknSpan Mon 04-Nov-13 22:33:44

"They're justified...and they're ancient"

Go Tammy Wynette! <outs self as old gimmer>

Handbagsonnhold Mon 04-Nov-13 23:26:57

Sick n Span! thanks for directing me over to this thread....so much support and info.... And a few tammy choons to cheer us up!

SicknSpan Tue 05-Nov-13 08:26:59

Morning all. Hope night time was peaceful for us all. Ds2 is 5 and still often sneaks in for a midnight snuggle with dh and I, but last night I ended up falling asleep in his bed with him at 3am and woke up a bit stiff! Back in my own bed now, both boys just been taken to school by dh on his way to work so I will have a snooze again in a mo. Need to speak to work in a minute to sort out a few things before I can snuggle down. So so tired every waking minute.

RaRa Bezza and Handbags and any other ladies lurking from the Junebug thread I've been thinking of you lot especially. Hope all is well in these trying early stages. I reached the 10 week mark yesterday and realised that I am already a quarter of the way through this pregnancy. We are having babies. I know that seems silly of me to say but I keep forgetting that I'm pregnant, all I can think about is the sickness and nausea. So I thought I'd remind us!

I have a new problem today, and I am a tad embarrassed- I am really constipated and not really sure what to do as I have reached the grand old age of 37 without ever having been so before. Guess its a combination of pg hormones making our bowels slow down (or so I've read), very few fruit and veg recently as the idea makes me feel bleurgh, not much food anyway so it's all been lingering around in my intestines, and the old HG favourite- ondansetron. Now lots of you have said that it bunged you up somewhat, how have you addressed this? I'm so so uncomfortable, I really want to "go" but nothing happens when I sit on the loo and I am worried about straining in case I give myself piles or worse blush

Any advice?

Sally8655 Tue 05-Nov-13 08:39:07

Sicknspan, try using lactulose or movicol. Depending on how bad you are glycerol suppositories may also be needed. The sickness meds usually make the constipation worse so we have all been there xx

Tallyra Tue 05-Nov-13 08:55:52

hi sicknspan, its a common problem especially if you are taking ondansetron. I managed OK with eating a few prunes a day, although it wasn't that pleasant, but if it's really bad you might want to ask your doctor for lactulose. I'm lactose intolerant so thought I'd stay away from it.

eggybrokenoff Tue 05-Nov-13 09:23:42

the lactulose really helped me, and i find the odd day i can manage on 3 rather than 4 ondanseteon i can sometimes go that evening or following morning. but warning DO NOT glug the entire max dose of lactulose first time. build up to a dose that works unless you want the total opposite problem!!

eggybrokenoff Tue 05-Nov-13 10:01:47

i really need new snack ideas for those little bites in between 'meals' to fend off nausea. at the moment i am mainly eating mini sausage rolls - healthy!

Only thing that stops the nausea for me is steroids, Ondansetron just stops the vomiting.

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 05-Nov-13 11:23:34

snack ideas...

toasted ham/cheese toastie mmm
1/2 tin lidl's tuna nicoise/America/Mexican things
tin pineapple
Lidl's crusty bread roll and butter
stollen / fruitcake
shopped up apple and yogurt to dip
those weird vanilla puddings form asda, near the yogurts, cheap
baked potato grated cheese
those dairylea dipperz boxes
dairylea on a ryvita
Moroccan houmous on crusty toast
lidls chocolate gingerbread
that's a trip through my fridge
smile

Totesamazeballs Tue 05-Nov-13 11:24:04

Eggy - have you tried plain nuts? Olives?

Sally sorry to hear about your blood pressure. Hope you can keep it down.

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 05-Nov-13 11:27:17

but what do I know!! I've just scoffed a crusty roll abnd butter and a huge bag of smoky bbq crisps 150g!! salt overload!

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 05-Nov-13 11:28:03

yes sally, hope you're feeling better

Tallyra Tue 05-Nov-13 11:28:49

chaffinch, are you being paid by lidl?grin

Bumblebzz Tue 05-Nov-13 11:33:48

Hello all

I'm totally new to this thread. I'm 8w tomorrow and can barely eat anything (average daily intake at the moment is half a weetabix with milk and sugar in the morning, half a slice of toast at lunch and then maybe a few breadsticks in the afternoon, and a few cups of tea during the day. I can't eat at all in the evening as that is when I am vomiting and I seem to throw up the entire contents of my stomach every evening). I'm just wondering at what stage I should be worried about hg? I feel dreadful this week and have not been able to go into work which is worrying me no end.
My wee (sorry if TMI) is very dark (what little there is) but I don't know how to judge for dehydration.
I am also very down and full of negative thoughts (had a mc at 11w earlier this year so worried it might happen again, yet hating being so sick and pregnant, but guilty for not being pleased, blah blah blah.

Thanks
x

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 05-Nov-13 11:35:51

hi bumblezz.

so sorry you're suffering.
if you can get to a chemist to buy some ketostix you can pee on them & measure dehydration.

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 05-Nov-13 11:37:05

tally grin

adore me some lidl!

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 05-Nov-13 11:40:33

bumblbzz

HG / bad morning sickness creates lots of feelings, anger that you can't enjoy pg like any ''normal'' woman.. fear of being hospitalized, terror at what you can/can't eat and how it may/may not affect the bean.

congratulations on your pregnancy :-) the 1st trimester is the absolute worst, as every single day passes it is a day gone.
sorry to hear of your m/c, I'm sure things will be better this time, the sickness is a good sign of lots of hormones whoosing around upsetting your poor stomach.
have you been to GP as many drugs are totally safe and could help you a lot. there's no reason to suffer.

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 05-Nov-13 11:41:57

* suffer on without medical help, I mean, btw, I know the drugs just make it manageable...

Meerka Tue 05-Nov-13 12:27:26

Hiya all. Back from hospital after 7 days.

the infection in the uterus was dangerous. Doctors told us we came very close to loosing the baby, temp was 40.3c (104.5F) and I was having a lot of contractions as the uterus tried to expel the infection. We were told this morning that we have been very, very lucky.

The chances are good there is no permanent damage but we won't know for sure til the birth. It has been a terrifying time. Now we just have to hope and to pray that the baby is alright.

Been so scared.

Weak atm but so nice to be home.

eggybrokenoff Tue 05-Nov-13 12:33:44

bumble i think we have all had those feelings. some people fully admit part of them hopes for a mmc at scan because that would mean an end to sickness, the guilt is huge about how diet and bad thoughts might affect the baby. dont be shy to share those feelings can eat you up - i very much doubt anything you feel wont have been felt by all hg sufferers at some point.

thanks for snack suggestions. i cant do olives only bland things and i really struggle with anything warm. but nuts and dunkers sound good. also dh is a baker so i might ask him to bring some different cakes home to try

does anyone else find they manage childhood food better? so normally i eat loads of pasta - cant face it but cottage pie we had once a week growing up i can. crap rather than posh ham, meat pies, egg and chips all ok. feta and hummous no way.

i also feel a zillion times better if i am outdoors. i think it is lack of smells

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 05-Nov-13 12:38:52

yes!
vienetta = great as quite bland
some ice cream brands leave a foul taste

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 05-Nov-13 12:39:46

oh my lord meerka

glad you're on the road to recovery. How frightening. thanks

Bezzabelle Tue 05-Nov-13 12:42:40

Hi all, just been signed off for another 4 weeks. Looking ahead at calender, there goes a few more social events too. Feel like a hermit! Really hoping it abates by Xmas. When pregnant with DS I remember vomiting in the snow three xmas's ago!

Sick- you are right to remind us we are pregnant, I do sometimes forget that. In a few months time, we'll have screaming, pooing newborns and will be sleep deprived....
Oh and have you tried orange juice for constipation?

Bezzabelle Tue 05-Nov-13 12:46:17

Meerka, that sounds terrifying, rest up.

eggybrokenoff Tue 05-Nov-13 13:15:36

jeez meerka that is terrifying, you must be properly shaken. thinking of you - get lots and lots of rest xx

Tallyra Tue 05-Nov-13 14:21:55

bezza you just made me cry. of course there is a very good reason we are all putting ourselves through this, but it is very hard to remember this when curled up in a nauseous ball.

I had 3 mmc all with hg before this, and during this pg in hospital at around 9 weeks i actually asked the consultant for a termination. she was brilliant. as she'd seen me all the other times she knew how much I wanted it and refused, instead she promised weekly scans which have been instrumental in me keeping my sanity. make sure to mention your mc to any doctor and talk about anxiety. hang on in there and you can get through this, it WILL be worth it in the end. I am now 16wks and the sickness has gone although I'm still taking the tablets. I am one of the lucky ones and am constantly thankful. you might be too.

Tallyra Tue 05-Nov-13 14:22:55

and meerka I send you huge hugs and strength, that sounds like a nightmare. keep yourself safe xxxxx

Bezzabelle Tue 05-Nov-13 14:51:14

Tally- think you have confused me with someone else, I've not has a mc before? I'm so sorry if I made you cry though.

Tallyra Tue 05-Nov-13 14:54:55

sorry bezza I was meaning the second bit for bumble but couldn't remember her name. you made me cry by reminding me that I really am growing a real live person inside me. I still can't believe it even though I've got a little bump now.

Bezzabelle Tue 05-Nov-13 15:03:10

Tally- big hugs! Guess we all have to keep that in mind don't we as will be all worth it soon.

Bezzabelle Tue 05-Nov-13 15:19:50

Oh and on the snacking front, my diet today has consisted of:
One and a half wetabix
Melon
A tuna sandwich ( first time I've braved bread since an awful vomming/choking incident last week)
Melon
Jelly
Supernoodles

Am staying at mums again this week so she can look after me and DS and she is making me gammon ham and over chips for tea. May have cashews as a snack tonight.

LucindaE Tue 05-Nov-13 15:22:09

Bezaabzz Name fascinated me - welcome, sorry you feel so vile, hugs. Never worry aout tmi on here. Bossy Mother Hen says do invest in some kesostix from the chemists to check urine for dehydration, and do ask dr's for meds, thiis does sound like Hyperemesis to me; for sure, it's ruining your quality of life, which is supposed to be a criteria in giving meds. Hugs about mc. I had an mmc and it made me very nervous the second time. The chances are massively in your favour.
Meerka My goodness, what an awful trauma. It must have been terrifying. Very likely they are convering themselves saying there is a chance of some damage, they don't like women having fevers but any number of women have had flu etc without any damage to the baby.
Welcome back. Here's thanks flowers from me too.
sally What a worry for you, too - I am so glad you got that checked out. I don't understand the discrepancy between the upper and lower levels - I mistakenly thought they always went by the lower one - do rest as much as you can. Oh dear, it's been one thing after another for both you and Meerka.
Handbags Lol about Tammy Wynette - 'Stand by your woman'...That's my version! I'm a bit of a card holding matriarch...
Hyper Sorry sickness is back with a vengance, this has been an endurance test.
Tallyra and Totes I'm really impressed you put it on so quickly! Tallyra I'm so delighted it's easing, and baby is growing. Do you feel any movement yet?
Eggy SicknSpan Rara and Everyone I hope coping on this Fireworks Night.
My cat came out in sympathy with everyone on this thread yesterday; I'd no sooner got up from posting on the thread than he threw up five times...No excuse for him, as a neutered male...
Apologies to anyone overlooked.
xx

LucindaE Tue 05-Nov-13 15:24:49

Bezza and Eggy That's it - I meant to say that I took to fromage frais, those tiny pots! Chips. Fish fingers,ice cream, etc...
Who said lollies for keeping hydrated? I so agree! And jelly, too, and ice cubes...
Xx

eggybrokenoff Tue 05-Nov-13 16:04:01

ooh jelly thats a thought. worried it might cause gagging though but might try. i cant handle texture of yoghurt at all - but oh yes oven chips are my main calorie intake at the moment (along with the sauasge rolls of course)

Tallyra Tue 05-Nov-13 16:16:06

No Lucinda, I haven't felt anything noticeable yet, I really want to!

jenpatnim Tue 05-Nov-13 20:21:25

Hey, just got caught up on everyone. I am so so so tired. The sickness is still there in the background of work and so on, and I am just shattered. 6.5 more weeks of work, then I am off on maternity leave/christmas hols. Plus just had a friend who lives in wales tell me that my pregnancy symptoms might be exacerbated by weight - which is bull, but it was a kind of hurtful thing to say. I have lost so much weight from being sick, and although I have put on baby weight, I am nowhere near back to where I was. It has just made me feel really down.

Bezzabelle Tue 05-Nov-13 20:36:12

Jen- that was a really hurtful thing to say and just something that further demonstrates ignorance to our plights. It drives me mad when people say to me "how is your morning sickness?" Grrrrrrh! However, I think I just have to rond myself that if people haven't experienced it, then they have no idea. My mil sailed through both her pregnancies and I know she thinks I should "just get on with it"!!

Bezzabelle Tue 05-Nov-13 20:36:53

Rond= remind!!

DifferentNow Tue 05-Nov-13 21:01:35

Hello everyone smile

I was supported by Lucinda and the other lovely ladies on this thread during my pregnancy. It was a lifeline for me when it felt like no one else understood what I was going through. It really was the the worst time of my life and I honestly thought I just wouldn't get through it.

But I did. And you will too. DD was born in June and we are snuggling as I type. She is wonderful and was worth every moment of it. (((hugs))) for anyone who needs one. I promise that you will look back on this experience soon from a much better place.

Thank you so much Lucinda for keeping these threads going. thanks

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 05-Nov-13 21:13:29

jenn - if shes in wales, then she hasn't even seen you, right?

thoughtless thing for her to say. people should think before they speak. I was annoyed at some woman who said my stomach was small.
just piss off with your personal comments that leave me with feelings of rage/anxiety

ChaffinchOfDoom Tue 05-Nov-13 21:15:02

hi differentnow so nice to hear the future calling smile

Handbagsonnhold Tue 05-Nov-13 21:16:35

Hi all....Welcome Bumble....hope you are managing to keep something down its just so hard....Meerka so sorry to hear about your awful time....

Since starting the Ondansetron sickness has curbed....Nausea still doesn't go though....although reading on here that seems quite common....

Oh away with work now until Sunday.... Has left me with supplies....crusty bread....Philedelphia (which I usually hate)....crackers, ice lollies and foxes glacier fruits....to take away the 'metal tongue' delightful taste.

Hereth my moanathon comes to an end.

Take care everyone x

jenpatnim Tue 05-Nov-13 21:44:41

Chaff, I saw her when I was about 5 weeks along. I just feel really sad and meh now. I guess that is the hormones making me really sensitive, huh? And I have struggled with my weight for many years, losing and gaining - I am by no means skinny at the best of times. It has always been a sensitive issue sad

Differentnow - glad to hear there is light at the end of the tunnel, it is a good thing to hear!

Handbags, it is definitely an improvement to get rid of the vomiting, even if you are left with the lingering nausea.

Handbagsonnhold Tue 05-Nov-13 21:53:54

Jen....just read about comment made to you by your 'helpful' friend. Not a very sensitive thing to say at all. It doesn't help with surging hormones....One minute I could fall out with my big toe....next minute I'm sobbing at an RSPCA advert on tele....

People say the most ridiculous things sometimes x

jenpatnim Tue 05-Nov-13 23:03:17

sniffle.

Meerka Wed 06-Nov-13 08:00:15

Thank you all for your good wishes!! mumsnet has truly been a source of real support, I missed being able to get on here.

sorry to hear so many have been having a tough time! * sally* you've really been through it. Nice to hear from different ... right now its hard to believe that there is another side at all.

Hi handbags and hope you find some support here, Im sure you will.

Slept well despite the pain, god, still feel so weak. Still on the antibiotics against the bacterial infection, which have had the side benefit of curing the constipation cough. The doctor who will prescribe did, thank god, say i could take some paracetamol against the pain which helps a great deal.

never, ever ever again.

But I gather MoG and DoomFinch are feeling a bit better? smile

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 06-Nov-13 10:01:31

yeah, feeling OK. Having mad yogurt cravings.. but only muller twin ones, either the fruit or the crunch. must be somewhat calcium deficient.

anyone taking vit d? Im not.

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 06-Nov-13 10:04:00

oh, 2 more weird symptoms to ask you all about

1) mad levels of allergic rhinitis - ie flooding snot, itchy eyes, crazy sneezing, and them sometimes none at all. like hayfever only at certain times in the day, especially if I wake in the night, then I have nose running like a tap. don't have a cold though, feel fine

2) facial skin - weird red blodges in a ring shape keep appearing just on my left cheek - I mean what the hell!

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 06-Nov-13 10:05:55

sally hope doctor goes ok today thanks

Handbagsonnhold Wed 06-Nov-13 10:53:38

Chaffinch....sorry to hear about latest symptoms.... I've had weird blotches on my one cheek and my forehead in a circle....very odd.

Have also started having spontaneous nose bleeds whilst being sick....must be the pressure I guess. Only sick once so far today though so far more manageable even with the new bleeding!

Could I ask what pregnancy vitamins some of you take? I've just been taking pregnacare plus but have been unable to keep the vile fish oil tablet down for over a week. Grim.

Hi to all and hope you all coping x

eggybrokenoff Wed 06-Nov-13 11:02:32

i am taking tesco pregnancy ones - they are ok not too hard to stomach compared to some

Handbagsonnhold Wed 06-Nov-13 11:05:58

Eggy is it just one tablet does it all type thing? Ill give em a try

eggybrokenoff Wed 06-Nov-13 11:22:40

yes - but i confess im a bit hazy what they include. i know its folic acid and thats all i worry about. not sure if they have any fish oil in. am i meant to be taking fish oil (bit slack with no 3!)

RaRa1988 Wed 06-Nov-13 11:25:28

Hi again. Anyone found that cyclizine makes them really tired?? I've done nowt but sleep since I started on them on Monday hmm. I know it's only been a couple of days, but I really can't go on like this - I'm getting nowt done and I'm dreading having to go back to work sad.

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 06-Nov-13 11:30:39

I remember someone else saying cyclizine wiped them out; I only tried them for about 3 days, they made my vomming worse in the end.

with red blotchy rings!! may ask doctor google

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 06-Nov-13 11:35:03

possible 'melasma'

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 06-Nov-13 11:37:32

nope, maybe not. just w e i r d <spooky music>

mine appear at bedtime, and I don't really wear makeup so it's not allergy to a makeup or remover, I suppose the red bits feel a tiny bit dry, will ask ze midwife next time I see her.

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 06-Nov-13 11:38:26

handbags I had a nosebleed the other day.
sometimes get a constant low level headache too.

Tallyra Wed 06-Nov-13 12:43:29

is it maybe ringworm? just sounds s little similar to something my ds had when she was younger. just needs s bit of hydrocortisone cream to clear it up.

Tallyra Wed 06-Nov-13 12:43:53

dsis...

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 06-Nov-13 12:46:47

it's vague patches, don't think r/w, will google s'more...

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 06-Nov-13 12:48:46

more like pityriasis rosea

ChaffinchOfDoom Wed 06-Nov-13 12:52:20

nope, minor compared to dr google's images <urgh>

Bezzabelle Wed 06-Nov-13 14:11:10

Not shingles??? Although that has to be on the site of a nerve I think...,

Oh meerka that sounds terrifying! sad

eggybrokenoff Wed 06-Nov-13 14:46:10

with my first preg i had something for a whike that meant i just slept, had an incredibly dry mouth ans felt like a zombie. it could have been cyclizine.

no idea about blotches or nosebleeds. i am a big worryer and pester the gp for everything!

having a crap day today. dehydrated, sick, bad headache. i went out for an hour last night to fireworks and think that is why i feel so pants.

i have scan next week - i am just desperate to know if baby is ok or not

LucindaE Wed 06-Nov-13 16:41:24

Different Now I think has changed her name - or I'd know who it is! Thank you so much for coming back on to encourage others with that lovely post - I am glad we helped - would you be RMJ- I think she had four kids, a real veteran? Lovely to think of you and baby snuggling. Ah, my daughter is so big now she could take me on her knee...
Meerka This must have been so gruelling. You are due a piece of good luck. Hugs. I'm glad the antibiotics have helped the bowels, at least.
Jen I think people can be so judgemental and insensitive - they don't like to think somebody could suffer so horribly through no fault of their own, so they decide it must be weight, or something - well, lots of women on this thread have been underweight when they got pregnant and it didn't help them escape this. Venus of Urbino wasn't thin, was she? She was a well covered pear shape...
HandbagsMoanathon - grin. I hope those ice lollies help. So glad you've got Ondansetron. Do invest in some of those glycerine suppositories to help with tied up bowels, just in case.
Talllyra and ChaffinchofDoom My daughter had ringworm too - not the really infectious head sort, it seems, the facial sort that looked just like that.
BezzabelleMIL's attitude must be annoying. If people have good pregnancies, they seem to take the credit [green] instead of saying 'There but for the grace of Goddess/God go I...'
Eggy That was energetic of you to go out on Fireworks Night. It's always so horrible and cold, too.
Rara I think most people say it makes them feel weird and vague, but alot get used to it. If it's really bad, do try and get something else, says bossy mother hen. It's not as if there isn't a choice. How is the vomiting now?
Sally I hope taking it easy.
Murder of Goths How are things with you and thinking of your worry about grandfather.
I hope Ink SicknSpan and Random and Everyone is ok.
Probably cross posted with someone.
xx

hotair Wed 06-Nov-13 17:13:28

hi I was directed here from my own thread- saw my gp today who was concerned that I may be at risk of developing hypermesis-he said I haven't lost enough weight to be diagnosed, but he perscribed me cyclizine as he was worried if I stayed this dehydrated I would get very ill. I feel a bit of fraud- I can eat and drink a bit some of the time. But I am constantly severly nasueous, I threw up 20 times yesterday, 15 the day before and 12 so far to day (it's worse in the evenings so expecting more to come). This week I have been violently sick in public more than once, nothing I could do, no way I could reach a bathroom, bush or anything sad
I'm 10 weeks pregnant and feel exhausted all the time. I had fairly bad sickness all the way through both my previous pregnancies, but this is much worse.
I'm a bit nervous about taking the cyclizine, but I can't continue being this sick

Meerka Wed 06-Nov-13 17:27:54

hi hotair

Most peopel with Hyperemesis can eat - something- (it often varies what, from minute to minute sometimes), especially at certain times of the day. Morning for a lot of people. if you're throwing up 20 times a day you are definitely in the right place !!!

please, please do not worry about cyclizine. the original post Lucinda made has a link to a site which has some very specialized knowledge about preg sickness. At least one of the guys in the organisation is very high powered. Cyclizine is considered completely safe, though it's usually given -with- 10mg vitamin B6 as they work well together.

And you're right, you can't continue being that sick. Im glad your doc sounds as though he's on the ball, lots and lots arent. I'm under the weather myself atm but lots of people here have good advice.

Do look at that site at the meds, and also at suggestions as to what people sometimes find they can eat / drink. Also, try sipping with a straw or trying very hot / very cold liquids.

good luck, we're always here

LucindaE Wed 06-Nov-13 17:28:18

Hotair Welcome, that sounds like fully fledged Hyperemesis already - there may be some 'clinical' definition where you have to lose ten per cent of your body weight before you're diagnoised but most people on this thread thankfully get diagnoised before that. With this level of sickness you desperately need meds or you'll be in needing IV in hospital in no time. Bossy mother hen says you need kesostix to check on dehydration levels too, you can get them in any chemist. That Public Puking is so humiliating - in bins, on flloors - I'm always amazed some manage to avoid it - I didn't!
You'll find lots of support here. Don't worry about taking meds, they wouldn't offer any that weren't safe and Cyclezine has been taken for Hyperemesis for decades without any ill effects on the baby.
Do you find ice lollies or flat full sugar coke or ice cubes any use?
xx

eggybrokenoff Wed 06-Nov-13 18:16:50

hi hotair - what others said 20 times a day puking means you are no fraud!

dehydration is the main risk so really focus on fluids or wet food (eg grapes, melon) if you cant drink. some people find jelly helps, or ice lollies. others find really hot stuff helps. and dont worry about meds i have used them loads esp in last pg x

eggybrokenoff Wed 06-Nov-13 18:18:12

i have given in tonight and am in bed. dh has been fab - changed bed, dinner, cleared up downstairs, and is doing kids bedtime. cant remember when i last didnt do bedtime, feel a bit guilty

Handbagsonnhold Wed 06-Nov-13 19:20:06

Me 2 Eggy....Oh away, so I picked dd up from nursery (smell of nursery made me gag) ....fed her....bathed her (steam made me gag....so did bubble bath) read bedtime story (shortest on shelf). And have flopped under duvet.

hotair Wed 06-Nov-13 19:46:06

Thank you all so much! It is so good to hear that I'm not alone and that I'm not being selfish to want to get the puking under control.
the public puking is horrible and humiliating. Having to tell someone in my local tesco I'd been sick all over their floor was awful. The amount I have had to change my life to accommodate avoiding things that make me sick is ridiculous.
I think I'm worrying because the side-effects said might cause drowsiness/ affect driving and I have to drive for school-run purposes at the very least, I know this is a safe drug and I have to get a handle on the sickness- I've taken the first dose now. I'm just feeling really guilty about how much the pregnancy is affecting my older dc's already.
At the moment I'm mostly having sweet tea, toast and flat tonic water. I might try ice later though!
GP didn't mention ketostixs- are they expensive?

Tallyra Wed 06-Nov-13 20:11:41

not at all hotair, about a fiver a pack.

Meerka Wed 06-Nov-13 20:27:19

some sickness meds do make you drowsy, if your doc prescribes more then mention you need to drive. It does sound like you might need more tbh.

RaRa1988 Wed 06-Nov-13 20:33:03

Hi Lucinda: I've stopped using it today - I've slept about 14 hours a day since Monday and I'm constantly weary, dopey, and tired on it. Don't feel safe to drive, and I have to be able to. Will take it up with the midwife tomorrow - got my booking-in hmm.

SicknSpan Wed 06-Nov-13 20:50:50

RaRa do persevere of its helping with the sickness - I was like you for the first week of cyclizine but then I guess my body got used to it and I don't feel woozy now. If it helps the sickness it might be worth continuing for a couple of days? (Agree about the driving though that's a hard one to get around!)

Bezzabelle Thu 07-Nov-13 08:11:22

Arghhhh, feel terrible today, wondering why my GP won't agree to just putting me to sleep till this is all over!! My ds has woken up very hyper this morning and if only I could have just an ounce of his energy! I'm now on my fifth week of not getting dressed and I'm getting so fed up but just walking up and down the stairs wipes me out.

Woe is me! Hope everyone else feeling ok today.

eggybrokenoff Thu 07-Nov-13 09:25:22

bezza if you have a garden maybe try wrapping up really warm and sitting outside for a bit - i find being outdoors i feel lots better for some reason and am able to eat outside better than in weirdly!

has anyone else got crazy anxiety? i dont know if its the meds, pregnancy or illness but i am an anxious wreck. stressing and worrying about tiny things and when i wake in the morning i have a big anxiety knot in my stomach and feel vaguely panicky. its odd

Handbagsonnhold Thu 07-Nov-13 09:37:12

Morning Bezza,eggy and everyone. I understand Bezza wish I could just hibernate for duration also.

So miserable this morning.... I just wish the nausea would go for a day....or even half a day....or an hour. When I wake in the night it's still hanging over me. Awful night sweat last night....gross.

On a positive note only physically sick a few times yesterday still feel it constantly thoughhmm

Hope everyone baring up x

Sally8655 Thu 07-Nov-13 09:37:39

Morning all,

I'm still having a rough time of it here. Trying to control my blood pressure but this is proving difficult. Tablets might be the only way forward.
Still quite nauseas and sick now and then. Headaches are awful but this is due to bp. Not able to eat and drink alot so not really gaining any weight but belly is still growing!
Feel exhausted all the time and sitting on the sofa is soon going to be out of the question as I can't get up from that position any longer. My husband has to hoist me up as my SPD and belly prevent me from moving much.
Another really awful symptom this week, hemeroids! Never experienced this before and have to say its awful. It's not been caused by constipation as I've been ok lately but must be due to my huge belly and the sheer weight of it.
So dh has treated me to a new telly and sky tv in bedroom as I think I'm going to be stuck here from now on. The hospital recommend bed rest. Great! Take