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PG after MC? Posifrickitivity and handholding aplenty

(963 Posts)
WhatWillSantaBring Thu 26-Sep-13 16:18:14

Hello again - another shiny new thread for the batsh*t crazy women going through the stress and emotional rollercoaster that is being pregnant after a miscarriage.

Fingers crossed for lots of happy scans and boring pregnancies.

WhatWillSantaBring Thu 26-Sep-13 16:21:10

I didn't want it to be me starting the next new thread again but I popped in and saw we were on 999 so thought I'd better use the last post for a link.

We could do with an updated stats list too, but its possibly too long these days!

ChristineDaae Thu 26-Sep-13 16:29:58

Just checking in so I can find you all tomorrow. Off to do my last few bits of holiday shopping then work!

Lieslvontrapp Thu 26-Sep-13 16:35:19

Thanks for the new thread Santa! I wasn't sure how to do it!

Pentagon Thu 26-Sep-13 16:45:19

yay, congratulations Liesl! Girls are lovely (I'm sure boys are too but I have a girl and expecting a second one :-))

thanks for the new thread santa - I wasn't sure how to do it either...

Pixielady83 Thu 26-Sep-13 17:13:10

Hooray omri for a happy scan and a lovely wriggly baby smile and lovely girl news for you liesl <whispers> I really want another little girl so I can use all DD's pretty things again!

Hope all you poor ladies with utis and thrush feel better soon. There are so many unpleasant side effects to pregnancy!

I'm just back from such an encouraging mw appt at vbac clinic. I feel way more positive now particularly as we can choose a cut off point (they recommend 41wks) - if I go into spontaneous labour before that I try vbac, if things haven't happened by then we go elective section. I kinda feel like that puts matters in baby's hands and I like it! We don't have to take final decision til 36wks and mw thinks we can have a reassurance scan to check position is def head down at that point to help decision. Most exciting of all they have a wireless monitor now so IF it was free I could even use it in the pool :-O

CbeebiesIsMyLife Thu 26-Sep-13 17:16:49

Just checking in so I don't loose you. We've had a really busy day visiting a fire station and doing ballet and now making lasagne for the girls (and freezer) It's been a very very welcome distraction, I almost forgot I am pregnant! I'll be back later to catch up.

JanieLovesLuckySocks Thu 26-Sep-13 17:31:45

thanks for the new thread santa, we are a chatty bunch smile

congrats on the great scans today!!

so i saw the old man gp, he was so sweet. he asked how i was and i just blurted out that i was fine although i have noticed a bit of a smell in my pants when i pee.... start the mortification. i explained to the poor man that it was a bit like sweet bleach - and he said there were some white cells in my urine sample so would send it off to get tested but it could be just usual extra discharge and possible overworking sweat glands etc etc. so after discussing my stinky chuff with him, he went on to say he new my parents and used to treat my grandparents!! CRINGE!!!! i really should be more mature but seriously...i just wanted the world to swallow me up!! he was so old that he didnt even use a doppler to listen to the baby's heartbeat, he had a big long plastic trumpet thing with one end on my belly and one at his ear! but it's ticking away anyway so i know that;s all that matters! so i'm none the wiser but have to ring up next week for results! luckily the gp is retiring on monday so i'll never have to see him again ....unless he pops up at a family party!!

JanieLovesLuckySocks Thu 26-Sep-13 17:32:13

oh and thanks to you all for the advice and for encouraging me to ask about the whiff xxx

Lieslvontrapp Thu 26-Sep-13 17:36:26

Thanks pentagon & pixie! It's been lovely telling friends & family.

Forgot to say scan showed I have a low anterior placenta so I have got to go back for a scan at 34 weeks. Hopefully it will move up. It's got to move 0.5cm . Sonographer was optimistic and said not to worry. Does anyone have experience with this?

Pixielady83 Thu 26-Sep-13 17:38:19

janie that's so funny I'm giggling grin probably not wanted to hear after spilling that, that he knew your parents and grandparents! Love that he has a little ear trumpet to listen to baby too smile

Lieslvontrapp Thu 26-Sep-13 17:39:38

Ha ha janie that's funny that gp knows your family! Well done on being brave and telling him though. At least it wasn't the fit gp! Hopefully u find out its nothing to worry about. X

JanieLovesLuckySocks Thu 26-Sep-13 17:41:15

god there's no way i would've mentioned it if it was superhot gp! i would have sooner phoned the hospital ha!!

CbeebiesIsMyLife Thu 26-Sep-13 17:49:01

Lies I have expiearience with moving placentas (although not a low lieing one) it's very common for them to move and (normally, unless your me) no problem at all and happens all the time. I'll be willing to place a bet on yours moving up by 34 weeks x

Lieslvontrapp Thu 26-Sep-13 18:05:01

Here's hoping cbeebies!

ThePFJ Thu 26-Sep-13 18:14:25

LOL Janie

Still pregnant - 7 weeks and 3 days....... count down to Oct 8th for my 9 week scan.............
Hugs and cake for you all xxxxx

GardenWorm Thu 26-Sep-13 18:37:19

Hello new thread!

Congrats Omri and Liesl grin

Janie I'm loving your old school GP with his hearing device! Could have been worse; he could have asked for a butchers and then discussed your family connections! wink

BumpKitty Thu 26-Sep-13 18:41:14

my baby has moved! grin grin grin bum up head down now. I highly recommend handstands in the pool to anyone with a transverse one!

janie well done on asking - I'd probably have chickened out. I had a hot Dr when I had to go into hospital when I was leaking fluid, how fun having a chat about whether I'd peed myself or had excess discharge. He was also the Dr who did my ERPC. I don't think hot men should be allowed to be gynaecologists!

great news PFJ and omri and liesl welcome to team pink grin

thanks for new thread santa. It's funny what you were saying about names, I have a name that cannot really be shortened and I don't like that. So I guess (from our extensive research!) it's best to give the full name on the birth cert but make sure it has good NN options.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 26-Sep-13 19:06:39

Fantastic scan news today ladies. Each one of you who has a good one is one less for me to worry about! confused
Great news about your wee Janie. I suppose I ought to take my own advice now!
I am proper laughing about all you youngsters chuckling about the ear trumpet! Its called a pinard and has been used for centuries! A bit like listening to the neighbours through the walls with a glass! [Grin]

Lieslvontrapp Thu 26-Sep-13 19:14:00

Oh and I think there was a pregnant sonographer at our hospital. Looked 25 wks plus. Thought of you bod! You don't where glasses do you?

omri Thu 26-Sep-13 19:22:03

Thanks for the scan congrats! And congratulations Liesl on the pink news! V exciting! Aw little baby girl smile

BirdsDoIt Thu 26-Sep-13 19:34:54

Congrats liesl and omri on fab scan news! That's brilliant! omri hope it's ok telling work - I've got the same thing tomorrow - told my boss last week and one other colleague already - but have to tell my colleague tomorrow who's been trying for a baby for ages and has had two early miscarriages. Going to tell her at the end of the day before I leave so she can be a bit sad if she needs to be. And we've also had massive upheaval at work because someone else has just gone on mat leave (had her baby yesterday) so it's weird telling people because it will mean more upheaval for them in April, when we're all just about getting used to how things are now! So I completely understand what you mean about getting funny reactions.

I'm with you other ladies on the bloating. SO uncomfortable.

janie loving the gp ear trumpet story smile

katatonic Thu 26-Sep-13 19:35:15

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TeaAndANatter Thu 26-Sep-13 19:50:03

Marking my space amongst the fellow batsh*t crazies!

Sorry to hear you're feeling crappy kat. Good news liesl and omri.

Can I get a straw poll on testing, please, unless this question would be too weird for you ((*saggy*)), given you're right in the thick of it at the moment. DH and I think we won't test (me 35, standard risk of any abnormalities 1 in 240, of Down's Syndrome 1 in 380). We didn't with my first (I was a total foetus in age, so didn't), and turned it down with DS. We got a bit of pressure from the old hospital so we changed to a different one (all this guff about 'oh, but the range of disability can vary, it can be really difficult'). We said it would make no odds to our decision, so there was no need for us to know (whilst utterly supporting every woman's choice re this with no judgement in any direction from us).

This time, I'm a bit older. I've worked with children with LD in the past (not a great deal), DH works a lot with children with LD, so we have a good idea of what the harder end looks like (because the folks with no problems don't bring their problems to us, IYSWIM). We just don't know. We wouldn't be doing headstands going 'yay' if we knew the baby had a genetic disability, but it doesn't feel strong enough to want to risk mc after an amnio (which I get the real willies about). As I wouldn't want the amnio, should I not have the bloods (due end of next week/start of week after)? I think it might make me worry, but then it might help me accommodate ready for the child we'll make space for.

Getting lots of pressure at the booking appt and my first 'own allocated' midwife appt about deciding - told both I don't have a fricking clue. Midwife 1 tells me that I should be deciding based on what my existing children would do when I'm dead, as the burden will be on them. This was exactly the problem focused attitude of the midwife at my DD's booking in that made me want to bite people. That isn't a reasoned space for me to explore my feelings, that's the midwife's own decision if it were her decision (which it's NOT - raaah!).

Sorry for the total saga. And so terribly sorry if this is not okay for you at the moment, saggy, if so just pop a line on, and I'll ask no more.

BirdsDoIt Thu 26-Sep-13 20:07:54

It's such a difficult question tea and I suppose it's hard to give an objective opinion rather than what you'd do yourself - so, entirely subjectively, we did go for the blood test and would have had amnio as well if risk came out high, because we would have wanted to prepare ourselves. but i can see that if you wouldn't have the amnio it might just create needless anxiety over blood results. does your hospital offer harmony test if risk comes out high, prior to amnio? (my hospital - kings in london - does). Or would you consider doing harmony test privately? from what i understand it gives you either very high or very low risk so you're then much better equipped to decide for or against amnio.

Pentagon Thu 26-Sep-13 20:07:56

liesl I had a low placenta last time and had a repeat scan at 35 weeks by which time it had moved up. I think it does 99% of the time!

ah janie bless - he sounds like a sweet old man! And he knows your family...small world!

BumpKitty Thu 26-Sep-13 20:22:00

tea hmmm lots to think about. I was a bit like you and decided not to test with my first one after a lot of pressure from the midwife to do so. There were a few points during my pregnancy were I worried about not having any kind of preparation if anything was wrong. Did you have worry like that with either of your first children?
Since having my DD I have changed my mind about not testing in that I did struggle a lot in the newborn stages (and she didn't sleep through till 13 months!). Also, I don't think I understood before the overwhelming responsibility of having a child and so I decided that I would have the testing this time. As there is now a pretty reliable non invasive test I would probably choose to have that if I found out I was high risk. then I would go from there.
If you are 100% sure that you wouldn't terminate then the only thing you need to consider is what you would do with a high risk result and if not finding out a risk would cause you more worry. I drew a flow chart with my first pg! maybe that could help

fod27 Thu 26-Sep-13 20:35:03

omri and leis congrats!!! Fabulous news!!!

tea I think if you don't intend to pursue the testing to the final stage (should the risks be high) then you'll only be putting yourself in a position of more stress and worry. If it was me and I had decided against further testing then i would have to stick with complete ignorance.

It'd be like seeing a fortune teller and being told that that a family member will be incredibly ill in the near future - you don't know it's going to happen - but your going to worry yourself sick about it anyway, despite the fact that it may never even happen! It's too late to stop stressing once the seed has been sewn

kjh5 Thu 26-Sep-13 20:48:36

Hello everyone! <<waves madly>> liking the new thread. Janie had a proper giggle at your old-fashioned doc, glad you told him. I have a list a mile long of things to ask my midwife at booking appt tomorrow (oh god it's tomorrow!) I'll probably be there for hours.

Am a tad hyperactive - was so fed up with my sluggish digestive system this morning I decided - after 2.5monthd of no caffeine - to throw my usual pre-pregnancy super strong cup of java down my throat. System ahem duly cleared but I've been a hyperactive maniac all day, just had to take paracetamol for a blinding headache and then had a sob in the loos at work because I'm convinced I've done untold damage to the bean and I'm going to MC before I get to the booking appt tomorrow. So clearly I'm properly batshit insane and therefore still qualified to join new thread!

Tea very tricky question. Have been very interested to read everyone's responses and I like the idea of the flow chart. I guess you need to decide what you'd do if the result was positive and how much anxiety it would cause you either way if you did or didn't know. Funnily enough I haven't been given an option to refuse the test. Bloods already booked in and they'll do the nuchal as standard at the 12wk scan. It never occurred to me to refuse the test and I personally need to know. Hope you don't agonise over it too much!

Kat hope you're feeling better xx

katatonic Thu 26-Sep-13 20:51:22

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SnotMyProblem Thu 26-Sep-13 21:02:46

Tea - no advice, but hope you can find a way that works for you and your family.

Omri and Liesl - yay for good scans and lovely news!

Aaaaaand, I had a scan today, 9 weeks-ish (I'm a bit hazy on dates) and was told that everything looks good, heartbeats detected... and there's two of the little buggers in there. Oh blimey!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 26-Sep-13 21:11:26

Tea, don't worry about me, Im fine. smile
Im kind of undecided on this. I signed up for the bloods because DP was quite keen, never thinking anything would show up!
As it turned out, when the sonographer scanned me and found the abnormal NF measurement and I said that I wished I hadn't consented to testing now, she told me that they measure the neck anyway, and are obliged to tell people of a problem whether they request bloods or not. So if there is an anomaly on the scan you will get the worry anyway. IYSWIM.
I was expecting results for the blood around 1 in 100 or something high but not scary high, and wouldn't have gone for amnio. When the midwife said 1 in 5 and an abnormality became a definite possibility I just needed to know. I can't bear surprises!

Being where I am now, and feeling like I do, <<searching for a good way to describe it>> I would say that Im grieving for my dream baby, and coming to terms with reality. I hope that doesn't sound horrible.
In a way, although Ive got the next 5 months to go knowing whats ahead before I get my baby, I will hopefully have it well and truly together by then. I imagine that finding out at birth, being exhausted, and hormonal, I would have to go through this process afterwards, on top of recovery, bonding, and getting my head round a new born baby.
And knowing doesn't change anything for me, I was always of the opinion that I would proceed anyway.
The other thing Im glad of is knowing that the problem is just Downs.
A extremely life limiting problem like Edwards Syndrome would be the only situation in which I would consider termination. I can cope with a lot, but having a child and knowing it will die and there is nothing I could do would finish me.
Anyway, Im not sure that this helps you, but its my take on things. x

TeaAndANatter Thu 26-Sep-13 21:14:23

Snot Eeeeeeee! Green with envy! Two! TWO! Wow!

Thanks for the input all. I've been thinking about it for four weeks now and just get no resolution on this. Didn't worry at all about not testing with others, but risks were 1 in 1200 and then 1 in 900 (being younger). I would like to know, so that I can prepare everyone round us for how to best be supportive, and so we don't have to fanny around with people's reactions at the time, but after the MMC just feel like I've tempted fate enough to just stay pregnant again without adding to the risks. I recognised that MC would be hard (theoretically), but it never once occurred to me that pregnancy after MC would be actually the bigger challenge for me. It's the hope that's a fecking killer (sorry for rudery, all!). I seem to be such a total fanny about all of it this time round.

CbeebiesIsMyLife Thu 26-Sep-13 21:18:52

Snot, wow 2! How exciting!

BlackholesAndRevelations Thu 26-Sep-13 21:20:34

Wow! Snot! our second set of twins! Congratulations! grin grin grin

TeaAndANatter Thu 26-Sep-13 21:22:01

Cross posted with saggy. Thanks for that saggy, your opinion actually probably is the one I most wanted, but of course wouldn't be such a total prat as to go soliciting.

The midwife told me that same, that they'll tell me if there is a higher NT than they'd expect even if I don't consent to it, and even if I say that I don't want to know and sign to say that. Apparently 'it's the law' (which is, by the way, total rot, but I didn't like to argue). If I have to know that part, I guess I may as well have the bloods to at least get a fuller picture. Righto, call made. I'll have the bloods and we'll see where we go from there. Thank you everyone.

Saggy, I'm so sorry that you have to go through the grieving. The way you described it all made a lot of sense, and I think that I would rather get the knowing done now, so that I can do the bonding and so on then without having to try to process both parts. Thank you so much for sharing what you did, it was a really generous thing to do, especially when you have bigger fish to fry than whether I'm being a wuss over the idea of amnio. Thank you, from both Rob and I x x x x

TotalShock Thu 26-Sep-13 21:23:01

snot two!!!! shock

BlackholesAndRevelations Thu 26-Sep-13 21:23:30

cbeebies- remind me again how old your DDs are? I'm guessing if cbeebies is your life, they're quite young?! wink mine are 3 and 2 and cbeebies features heavily in our house!

I have some work to do tonight and less than zero motivation. I'm lucky to have a part time teaching job but at the moment I couldn't care less about any of it! Even the children are getting on my nerves blush hopefully just hormones speaking!

omri Thu 26-Sep-13 21:28:32

Ooh twins!!! Congratulations!! Wow are you in shock! Can't imagine!!
Was dp with you at the scan? What was the reaction? smile Yay! We'll have to let anda know

BumpKitty Thu 26-Sep-13 21:29:51

saggy and tea i'm really shocked they have to tell you if the NT is high - do you think there has been some mass misunderstanding of guidelines of something? Surely its the woman's decision.

snot grin how fantastic! Did you have any idea? xxx

GuffSmuggler Thu 26-Sep-13 21:31:00

Checking into the new thread, am struggling to keep up with you all - but just seen snots twin news, WOW that must have been a shocker, how fantastic!

IBelieveInPink Thu 26-Sep-13 21:32:48

Fabulous news on all the great scans...... And twins!!!! Eek!

Bump - handstands in the pool? Tell me more! Mini pink keeps alternating between transverse and oblique- neither of which is helpful! I am more and more convinced that I will need c section, and have kind of settled into this now- but maybe can change this?

Bodicea Thu 26-Sep-13 21:36:14

lies vom trap it wasn't me. I don't wear glasses except for driving and I def look bigger than 25 weeks ;-)

Janie love the trumpet. I know a few midwives who miss the trumpet. Apparently it is actually a bit easier to pick up a heartbeat with a trumpet but most have stopper because of pt expectations, wanting to hear aswell and not believing them they could hear!

Hi tea the reason we tell if it is over a certain size (3.5mm) as it can then indicate other abnormalities apart from chromosome abnormalities such as heart problems. It is then classed as an abnormality on its own and we are obliged to tell every pt, so they can get specialist scans at the right time and also because of higher the risk of fetal death before the 20 weeks scan. It is complex and hard for people to understand but when you sign that you don't want screening it is purely regarding downs. You are still have anomalies checked. Does that make sense?

fod27 Thu 26-Sep-13 21:43:30

snot fabulous!!! Really really fabulous!!! Overjoyed for you!!!!!!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 26-Sep-13 21:46:38

Oh, and I forgot to add, I'm with you Tea. If one more person tells me to think of what will happen when I am dead or too old to cope, I may well commit murder!
In fact, I seriously considered battering my mother with the iron yesterday! blush
Id just like to get through next week TBH! grin

Pixielady83 Thu 26-Sep-13 21:49:41

snot two babies!! how flipping exciting! do you have other DC as well?

Bodicea Thu 26-Sep-13 21:51:30

Ooh snot missed your post. Fab news!! Another set of twins for the thread. How exciting!!!!!!!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 26-Sep-13 21:54:13

Oh, and P.P.S , CONGRATULATIONS Snot! That is awesome! grin

JanieLovesLuckySocks Thu 26-Sep-13 22:00:53

wow snot that's amazing news!!! i'm sure that was a shock, but a good one smile yay!!

Tomkat79 Thu 26-Sep-13 22:12:44

Omg snot!!!! That's awesome. So chuffed for you xx

GardenWorm Thu 26-Sep-13 22:27:58

Snot Congrats! Congrats! One for each heartbeat xx

Pentagon Thu 26-Sep-13 22:43:01

wow snot twins! Amazing news! Double congratulations!

tea glad you've reached a decision. saggy that was a lovely post.x

Chocolateteabag Thu 26-Sep-13 22:43:27

Congratulations snot grin and Liesl

Sorry if this sounds a bit "my diamond shoes are too tight.." but on hols in Majorca at the moment and really struggling with the heat. I have a sweaty upper lip which just won't go away and is now all red like a moustache and stingy, feel like a big sweaty whale sad I had stupidly thought late Sept would just be warm but it was 30 degrees today uck!

(sorry such a whinger)

omri Thu 26-Sep-13 23:28:04

Birds - will tell my two bosses tmrw. Sad you've to tell a lady who's had 2 mc's. that's difficult- kind and thoughtful of you to tell her on the Friday afternoon though
so she can have some time to feel sad.

ChristineDaae Thu 26-Sep-13 23:30:25

Wow snot, two!! How exciting!

BumpKitty Thu 26-Sep-13 23:36:29

Yes bod that does make sense I can understand why you have to say now as the woman has opted to have an anomaly scan. Just got caught up with the trisomy reasons.

ibip not much to tell, few handstands in the pool on Sunday, I can't remember how it is meant to help but it did stretch out bits that hadn't been used for a while! However, after googling oblique I think that's more like what my mw described my baby is doing, still it's better than transverse - more chance of her straightening up in time smile

IBelieveInPink Fri 27-Sep-13 03:24:22

Thanks bump. After checking - baby is oblique breach (head in ribs) so I'm trying anything I hear of to get her to shift. She's not having any of it though!

CbeebiesIsMyLife Fri 27-Sep-13 04:30:54

Lovin the thought I handstands in the pool! I'm not sure I'd have the courage blush

Black dd1 will be 3 at the end of October and dd2 is 19.5 months. And yes cbeebies features heavily especially at the moment, I realised on Wednesday it had literally been on all day sad I was feeling so crap I hadn't even noticed.

BirdsDoIt Fri 27-Sep-13 08:22:11

Woo snot twins!! Congrats! That's awesome news. How did your DP react?!

fod27 Fri 27-Sep-13 09:21:23

Hi ladies quicks question... I have had some very light (we are talking tiny dots) of brown discharge I had it this morning and a couple of days ago I'm 14+2 today but I am scared has anyone else had this?

SnotMyProblem Fri 27-Sep-13 09:22:28

Thanks everyone - we are excited, but it's just taking a bit of getting used to. Not what we imagined for our family at all! grin Birds - DH's response was mostly sweary, but I think having slept on it he's pretty happy about it!

Black & Cbeebies - yes, Cbeebies features heavily here too. That and my tablet which is excellent for distracting the boy while I slump on the sofa. The only one I don't like is one of the games on the Cbeebies app, where you have to make the loudest noise you can into the microphone. Whoever thought that one was a good idea needs some serious re-education.

katatonic Fri 27-Sep-13 10:19:03

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CbeebiesIsMyLife Fri 27-Sep-13 10:20:32

Snot I haven't come across that one yet! I'm keeping dd1 away from the tablet until I find it tho!

I can imagine dhs response was very sweary, what a shock!

Fod my advice is to call the midwife. I say it a lot, but if your worried and it's not normal it's the best thing to do. (Says she who remember sitting staring at her pg notes holding the phone for over 3 hours before finally dialing the number in dd2's pg!)

katatonic Fri 27-Sep-13 10:58:53

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WhatWillSantaBring Fri 27-Sep-13 11:08:34

snot wow! I'm also envy as I always wanted twins to end the 2/3 children debate. (The head and the bank and my tolerance for pregnancy say 2 but....). (That's not to say I'm not delighted with the little boy I'm having, but I already can't cope with the thought of having to make a conscious decision on whether to have a third or have a long lasting contraceptive).

For anyone else who already has one baby, did you know from the his/her arrival that you'd definitely want another? Perhaps that doesn't make sense - I always knew I wanted at least two kids, but when DC1 arrived, litterally my first thought as they handed me to her was WOW I AM DOING THIS AGAIN, because that freight train of love hit me like I've never experienced an emotion before? <<vom emoticon>>

birds - good luck telling work today. Have you thought about emailing the lady who had the mcs? I found it much easier to take the news from an email/text than having to put on the instant happy face? But I also found it much easier to hear that news from others I knew had gone through the pain of infertility/mc or whatever.

Just had a freak out at stupid HR policies about taking annual leave. "Pregnant women are advised to take all their annual leave before starting maternity leave, because leave will be forfeited if its not used and can't be carried over." Garrrrggghhh! That means i have to take three weeks between now and Christmas. Double Garrrggghhh! I can see no logical reason for it all, except for the fact that HR are too stupid to cope with making a change to the "no holiday can be carried over" rule. (Apologies to anyone who works in HR - I know its a tough job, but it can be really hard when "rules" don't appear to be based on common sense!)

shellsocks Fri 27-Sep-13 11:37:22

Thanks for the new thread santa and yeah we knew as soon as DS was born we wanted another quickly...if it hadn't been for the second MC would have been 17.5 month gap. This time cos I'm in so much pain DH says no way to a third (which was always the plan) but I think if this one is another boy I will be tempted but if it's a girl he will be able to convince me to stop!

So I've been completely signed off now so that's it, no more work till January 2015, crazy.

Pentagon Fri 27-Sep-13 11:43:21

kat so glad you were able to change midwives! The maternity manager you spoke to sounds really nice and reasonable!

santa I was the same as you after giving birth - I fthought was one of the most amazing things I had ever done and couldn't wait to do it again. Before having DD, I always said 2 children but now I'm open to having more...but let me have this one first, know that everything is alright and see how I cope with two.

As for HR policies, what you can do is start your maternity leave on your due date (which is the latest it can start) and then take the 3 weeks just before that as holiday - this is what I did last time and doing the same again with this pregnancy. So my maternity leave starts on 28/10 but my last day at work will be next Friday (can't believe I have only 1 week left!!); then I'll be at home nesting and resting but according to work on annual leave. Do you think this would work for you?

Pentagon Fri 27-Sep-13 11:46:52

shell you're off work already!! Lucky you! I hope not having to move too much has helped with the pain. x

SnotMyProblem Fri 27-Sep-13 12:56:25

Katatonic, that is awful, and I'm so glad you were able to change.

Fod, definitely get in touch - sitting and stewing is horrible.

As for my birth - I spent it, and the consequent few weeks, going 'THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ONLY CHILD!' even though I'd always wanted more than one. You do forget, though, and off we go again!

BumpKitty Fri 27-Sep-13 13:04:12

wow pentagon one week left! that's amazing

birds there is a woman I work with who I also went to school with and I knew she had had a mc a few months before me. I asked my boss to tell her about my pg before it became general knowledge (is that something you could consider?) - she didn't know I'd had a mc as I manged to hide it from most people at work. But luckily she is pg too grin. I've now talked to her about my mc and discovered she actually had 3 and is now on clexane injections and doing well. She is finishing work before me despite being due 2 months later! But I don't blame her as she's had a really rough time.

santa the surgeon asked me if I wanted another one whilst sewing me up after DD's fast exit! I think I said 'not tonight' or something equally hilarious! But no, having another was far from my mind despite having a pretty good labour. I would like 3, we had discussed having 3 before we found out this one is DD2 but I think maybe DH is more keen on 3 now so we can 'try for a boy' hmm. But, like pentagon says I'll see how we manage with 2 first grin

shellsocks Fri 27-Sep-13 13:27:24

I've actually been signed off since 29 weeks pentagon it's all a bit strange tbh, been quite emotional coping with the pain and feeling pretty useless but I've got my head round it now thanks smile

Tomkat79 Fri 27-Sep-13 13:36:34

kat glad you got the old hag changed. They really have no idea do they. My mum had a terrible 9 months carrying me and she always said the midwives were horrible, I'm sure that contributed to her pnd.

I really want to do my conversion to midwifery at some point, only 18 months and I'd make sure I didn't say anything that was insensitive or stupid!

Am starting to bring on a nice big dose of nausea worrying about the scan I've booked tomoro. Stupidly thought about cancelling it with a what I don't know mentality. Then thought again.

Are you going to get checked fod? Hugs x

TeaAndANatter Fri 27-Sep-13 14:28:34

Bod, that makes total sense, thanks for clearing that up.

WhatWillSantaBring Fri 27-Sep-13 14:30:38

Oh, tom are you a nurse currently then? When I was going through my "i don't want to work in an office" phase, I toyed with being a mw. But I'm far too judgemental about people (IABcompletlyU) and think having children is such an enormous privilege and responsibility that not everyone should have them. Also (and apols if this offends anyone) but I take great care to make sure that anyone having cause to, ahem, examine me, is not put in a position where their senses might be unduly offended, but I'm sure not everyone is like that. (I'm probably just too squeamish!)

pentagon that is what I'm having to do. Because I'm now the higher wage earner, we can't afford for me to get to the unpaid bit of ML, so I was trying to use all my leave at the end. As it is, I'm going to be coming back to work when DC2 is just six months old, which is breaking my heart already. And they've already said that it will be pretty much impossible for me to come back p/t sad

Tomkat79 Fri 27-Sep-13 14:40:03

santa are you not able to change hours under flexible working rules and regs? Can see how it's upsetting as probably will be the same. Was fortunate enough to have a 3 year career break with DS, he's nearly 7 now. Think I only went back to nursing at all as we separated and had no choice.

So yep in my current role as a nurse on a busy medical ward we see all sorts of things! Have had to pass on a few wound dressings lately as my nausea and mega sensitive sense of smell has been too much!

kjh5 Fri 27-Sep-13 15:02:42

Hello everyone - snot I haven't had time to post yet but EEEEEEEKKK!!! on the twin news smile How exciting!! I did wonder if I was having twins due to the severity of early MS and have to admit that I was a tad disappointed when scan only found one in there (although that was at EPU after a bleed so the disappointment was only momentary after the sheer relief of hearing the baby had a heart beat!)

I've just had my booking appt and the midwife was super lovely. Answered all my questions and was very sympathetic when I had a bit of a sob about the MC. She was also exceedingly reassuring about the bleeding/cramping I have been having. Kat I'm so pleased to see you changed your MW and the centre you'll be based at, I can't believe how rubbishy she was!

So I have come home feeling rather relieved and even a tad excited. It should be noted I didn't sleep at all last night due to a small bleed and lots of panicking it was all over before I even made it to the booking appt. Now just have to get through the next two weeks until the 12wk scan... thankfully we're on holiday next week renting a house with a group of friends so I am going to try and relax and get lots of sleep smile

Hope everyone else is having a good Friday - I have a craving for some crumbly fudge so I think I am going to amble off and make some!

WhatWillSantaBring Fri 27-Sep-13 15:13:24

I need to learn all about the rules - though I have a feeling a request can be turned down as long as they show they've given it proper consideration. I am hopeful still, though, as lots of people in my dept are part time - its just that my particular role is really busy, and needs FTE hours.

DH's new job has really flexible hours though, so we might be able to get him working p/t. Not sure he'd like being a SAHD though!

fod27 Fri 27-Sep-13 15:16:33

To be honest I don't know what to do sad

TeaAndANatter Fri 27-Sep-13 15:23:41

Call the Maternity Alliance? I think they're still up and running. They were helpful in my first pregnancy for work advice. Good luck! Alternatively put laxatives in the fuckers tea

I swear the PG stress is making me really obscenely rude these days. I do apologise grin

kjh5 Fri 27-Sep-13 15:23:44

Fod is this about the spotting? I have had spotting and bleeding throughout my pregnancy so far. The midwives keep telling me (and the one I saw today reiterated this) that spotting is normal and nothing to worry about, cramping is normal and nothing to worry about. Some women do have heavy bleeds during pregnancy and usually this is nothing to worry about. If you are bleeding heavily and cramping then go to the hospital. But they have all told me that if I am at all worried to call or go in. So if you are feeling anxious then call them up to set your mind at rest ((hugs)) xxx

GardenWorm Fri 27-Sep-13 15:26:00

Fod if you are feeling that worried ring someone NOW before they close for the weekend, midwife or EPU. However please remember brown spotting is old blood and can be perfectly normal, there are lots on this thread who have had spotting/bleeding at various stages of pregnancy. Try not to panic and ring if you feel you'll kick yourself if you don't. Is it the same as you described earlier? X

GuffSmuggler Fri 27-Sep-13 15:34:41

Just had the midwife and she instantly found a lovely heartbeat, was SO relieved. Just got to make it through the next couple of weeks to the 20 week scan and feel I might be able to relax slightly... (yeah right)

Fod I would ring now, once they close down for the weekend you won't get anywhere. Try not to worry though, spotting is so common in healthy pregnancies.

Glad your booking went well kjh I found that particularly hard to get through for some reason.

fod27 Fri 27-Sep-13 15:45:50

The only thing stopping me is that they picked up my previous bleed on my u/s so part of me thinks that it's from that (as it's yet to exit my body) my last u/s so showed that it had stopped bleeding... It's not in my knickers and it is minuscule

ThePFJ Fri 27-Sep-13 16:13:34

Fod If its only a tiny bleed you should be fine - it's your call - you know when to make that call.... hugs xxxxx

Whatwillsantabring After the long messed up and horrific birth of DS there was no way I was going through that again... but I really really want him to have a brother or sister, so when I am old and crazy, surrounded by cats and stinking of whiskey - at least he doesn't have to out up with me alone!! I have to admit there are a few people out there that I wonder about having kids... but I guess it's not my place to judge - so keep my mouth shut I will... but I get your opinions completely!! I would never see a doctor or a dentist without everything clean and sparkling!! wink

BlackberryandNettle Fri 27-Sep-13 16:38:35

At work and very worried - on my phone typing, just been to loo and seen a tiny amount of blood staining - I have an odd very yellow discharge and some tinges of blood. Also had this at 9 weeks but since had an OK scan but still worried - I am 12+2, surely implantation should have stopped? Epu will have just closed now until Monday :-(

We have a scan on Tuesday but still the weekend ahead.

BlackberryandNettle Fri 27-Sep-13 16:40:27

Just reading the page quickly and seen God has spotting too - right here with you for :-(

BlackberryandNettle Fri 27-Sep-13 16:51:46

Oh sorry that should say fod

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IBelieveInPink Fri 27-Sep-13 17:53:39

Santa - have a look into all the different things you can request under flexible working. Whilst you are correct they can turn it down if there is a real business reason why not - you can put extra pressure on them to make it work by suggesting options e.g could the role be done by job share? Could you work from home? There is lots to consider and might find a good solution for you
I'm one of those hideous HR people, ( wink )so if you have any questions when the time comes, happy to help if I can

shellsocks Fri 27-Sep-13 17:55:14

Sorry you are having spotting fod and blackberry hope you can speak to someone and get some reassurance smile

I've been having such strong Braxton Hicks today and feeling sick I panicked and have just bought out mothercare in case this baby comes early shockgrin I feel pleased now it's all bought (£380 tho confused) but have no idea where it's gonna go in the house, and this baby aint coming for weeks - help!

BlackberryandNettle Fri 27-Sep-13 18:55:08

I have gone to a&e. There are loads of people waiting but dh has joined me. I am worried I could have an infection, my colleague called her gynaecologist in Greece and he said very yellow discharge and spotting could be an infection. Hoping to be seen sooner rather than later, also hoping they can scan or Doppler.

BumpKitty Fri 27-Sep-13 18:57:13

ooh shell what did you buy? I have been spending all my money on Christmas presents in an effort to get sorted before the baby arrives - good job it's pay day soon as I need to buy furniture and paint for DDs new room as the baby will have her current one.

I have been doing some nesting - I took a whole car full of carrier bags to the tip blush and then cleaned my front door hmm I also sorted out DDs play kitchen and put all the tea sets and food back in their original sets (this was particularly pointless and lasted about 15 seconds!)

BumpKitty Fri 27-Sep-13 18:58:03

blackberry very yellow discharge can be normal - as its the mucous plug forming, does it smell?

Hope everything is well black, i'm sure it's something that can be made better x

BlackberryandNettle Fri 27-Sep-13 20:09:31

Thanks pumpkin, bump and shell - on way home from a&e now, they could not do a scan or even Doppler but did examine me and the doctor says I have inflammation internally which may be due to thrush. However I have no itching, and not sure thrush would explain a very yellow discharge. Have posted on the main board and health board for advice. Bump - the discharge did not smell bad, just v odd colour and blood streaked.

Going home to sit out the weekend now.

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CbeebiesIsMyLife Fri 27-Sep-13 20:31:49

Kat I have no energy to explain it now, but I'm also self employed and you are entitle to maternity pay a the full whack (rather than %) I'm actually better off on maternity pay confused
If you remind me (or send a pm) I'll explain and send all the links and stuff. The important thing to remember is the government stuff is really REALLY badly worded and makes it sound like you won't get anything therefore there is no point in applying, however having done it twice already I promise you get the full entitlement (I can't remember how much exactly but I can find out that for you too)

BirdsDoIt Fri 27-Sep-13 20:32:16

blackberry I had very yellow discharge too (sometimes a little bit greeny) around 10/11 weeks and others said they'd had this too. Now 12+6 and it's gone much milkier (sorry, tmi). Hope you're not worrying too much - I know it's difficult. Good you've got a scan early next week though.

fod if it's brown blood and you saw an old bleed on the u/s then it's almost certainly that. Has it got any heavier?

bumpkitty what a relief that your front door is clean now smile That could make all the difference when baby arrives!

So I told my colleague and it went fine (i think) - had a good chat about what was going on with her too. Sod's law though that another friend of hers had told her at lunch that she was pg (after a number of mcs) too. So not great timing from that point of view! Glad it's out there now though, and will be trying not to have any baby-related conversations in her vicinity unless she initiates them (we sit next to each other at work). Yesterday we had a running commentary from a number of desks away (we're in an open plan office) on the progress of a colleague's sister's labour, which did my head in.

kat so pleased you've been able to change from nasty to nice midwife centre! And kjh that's brilliant that yours was a good 'un.

CbeebiesIsMyLife Fri 27-Sep-13 20:34:21

Could be thrush bump, I also get yellow discharge with thrush, it's sometimes a sign you've had it for a while

shellsocks Fri 27-Sep-13 21:25:42

Sorry you had a bit of a wasted trip blackberry but sounds really hopeful its nothing to worry abt, hope you can relax over the weekend.

What didn't we buy bump grin Car seat and base, swinging chair, Moses basket mattress, leaving hospital outfit (so hard to pick unisex!), all my bits and bobs like breast pads, nappies etc. for baby...and a little toy for DS of course smile

fod27 Fri 27-Sep-13 21:27:10

It had stopped almost as soon as it started, I had a afternoon sleep.. Our my feet up and popped a wheat bag on my tummy... So far so good.,, fx

black try to seek solace in the fact that we are now out of the woods in some respects. It's terribly scary though as the moment you feel you have surpassed one milestone something else comes along to throw you off balance again. Thinking of you xxxxx

BumpKitty Fri 27-Sep-13 21:49:57

black what an arse that they can't scan you but honestly loads of us have had the yellow discharge. Some threads say its caused by pregnacare vitamins, some say its your body clearing out bacteria as you aren't having periods and some say the mucous plug thing and no odour or itching are really good signs. Not sure re the blood staining apart from lots of us have had blood loss in pg too so maybe you are just unlucky to get both at the same time. I hope you have a very busy weekend to distract yourself xx

fod I'm glad you're feeling better - sounds like it probably was just a teeny bit of old blood.

shell that all sounds lovely grin i keep thinking I don't need to buy much but actually I do need quite a bit. I think I'll have a mooch on Amazon.

birds yes my nesting is usually pretty useless (sweeping the garage floor on hands and knees last time!). Still the front door was properly nasty before smile I'm glad it went ok with your colleague.

IBelieveInPink Sat 28-Sep-13 00:43:21

Anyone else developed weird insomnia as they've got further along?! I am so tired most days, but as soon as I am supposed to be sleeping - it doesn't happen!! What's this about?

Penguinita Sat 28-Sep-13 07:22:20

<peeks head nervously over the parapet> Hi ladies, mind if I join you? I've been lurking in the limbo between the posifrickingtivity conception thread and this one, trying to pluck up the courage to graduate. But I can see several familiar names from the conception thread here, so it feels friendly!

I'm 5 weeks today, and swinging between sheer delight and sheer terror. I had an MC at ten weeks in May, with a slightly complex diagnosis (first doctor said it was an MMC and the baby had died at six weeks, the second said it was a suspected ectopic and stuck me full of needles for weeks - long story)

I love the title - batshit crazy is a perfect description of me right now. I've been awake since 6am because I had a dream that I went to the loo and was bleeding. So I had to get up and check it wasn't true. My heart goes out to the girls with spotting, so scary flowers Really hope all is well.

CbeebiesIsMyLife Sat 28-Sep-13 08:08:29

Hi penguin and welcome.
Pink I've always had insomnia but it's worse at the moment, I can literally be up all night but I just want to sleep during he day. It's like my body clock has flipped.

Woken up today feeling really sick, I know breakfast will help but I have nothing in the house, I was meant to go shopping yesterday but was too tired and now I'm feeling too sick.

Has anyone got really sensitive teeth at the moment? My teeth just hurt all the time. I have a dentist appointment in 2 weeks but there isn't much they can do whilst pregnant is there sad all in all feeling really lousy today.

Lieslvontrapp Sat 28-Sep-13 08:29:12

Snot only just caught up and want to say a bug congrats on the twins! That's lovely news!

Welcome pengiunita and congrats on the bfp!

fod & black hope your ok and can put your feet up this wkend.

Off to get ready for some shopping to buy some pink outfits!

Tomkat79 Sat 28-Sep-13 08:33:19

Hi penguin yes come and join us, lots of hand holding here.

Dreams feel so real at the moment don't they? Like proper vivid.

8 week re-assurance scan at 11-45....tempted to cancel the bloody thing am almost too terrified!

CbeebiesIsMyLife Sat 28-Sep-13 09:08:58

Don't cancel tom, it'll be ok.

BirdsDoIt Sat 28-Sep-13 09:10:24

penguinita congratulations, I remember you from the ttc thread! Great to see you here and hope the anxiety isn't doing your head in too much - we'll be here to hold your hand!

tomkat good luck for this morning! I had exactly the same thing of wanting to cancel my 12 week scan when I woke up that morning but I was glad I went smile

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 28-Sep-13 09:16:17

welcome Penguinita. its always nice to see a new face. smile

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fod27 Sat 28-Sep-13 10:06:48

Thanks for the supportive words ladies penguin I remember you!!!! Congrats! Really pleased for you!

I have had all the symptoms, sensitive teeth, bleeding gums, weird dreams, sleeping at funny dreams etc

kjh5 Sat 28-Sep-13 11:33:28

Welcome Penguinita fab to see you here grin - this thread is fab and we're all available for hand-holding and reassurance any time you need it. The first few weeks are the worst but just remember today you are pregnant!

Cbeebies you really must eat something. I had the most awful MS bang on 8 weeks and decided I was too ill I eat. It made things worse. Forcing down some mini cheddars or crackers eventually helped me as vile as it was to do so.

Bump I had the same problem as you at about 8 weeks - I think as long as you don't itch/smell you're ok. Hope you are taking it easy, please try not to panic too much.

We're off on holiday to Devon today. Needless to say the weather is gorgeous in London and it's pudding down there for the rest of the week! So happy I'm not at work for the week though! I nearly had to pack our kitten in my handbag though - was heartbroken to leave him at home, which is ridiculous! I'm blaming pregnancy hormones for the tears!

shellsocks Sat 28-Sep-13 11:45:25

Welcome and congrats penguin smile

Hey fod and blackberry hope you are having an uneventful Saturday and not stressing too much smile

bump we needed much more than I thought...we also needed a monitor for DS room as baby will have the movement and sounds one and a new steriliser cos ours was second hand and a bit grotty. Once you add in all the consumables like maternity pads it all adds up smile

pink I always wake up at bed time, think it's harks back to my party days, was always the last man standing wink and I just love night time, not great when you have a baby tho grin

Good luck tom smile

And yes to the dreamshmm I have had almost constant Braxton hicks since yesterday morning and was stuck on the toilet (TMI!) and feeling sick last night and today so am stupidly worrying the baby will come cos my parents are away till Monday so couldn't have DS and DH would want his parents to have him and I couldn't
cope with the stress of that and early labour....dreamt abt it all night was crazy! Worked myself up into a state over something that's not even likely confused Aaaggghhh!

Tomkat79 Sat 28-Sep-13 12:40:36

Well bugger me a nice healthy bean measuring 1 week more than I thought. 9 + 2 :-)

Pentagon Sat 28-Sep-13 13:33:09

yay, tom that's wonderful! Great news!

fod and black I hope you are both OK

welcome penguin and congratulations! The first trimester is a nightmare for anyone who's had a MC/MMC/ectopic but you'll find plenty of support here.

shell how are you feeling? I hope the braxton hicks and sickness have gone by now

Enjoy Devon kjh5!

BirdsDoIt Sat 28-Sep-13 14:24:26

Yay tom that's brilliant news! Bet you're glad you went now!! And a week closer to the 12 week mark than you thought! Are able to adjust the date for your 12 week scan or will that stay the same? (I know they say it's the 11-13 week scan so I guess it will probably be the same...)

Have fun in Devon kjh - if it helps it's raining in London right now!

shellsocks hope you're feeling better this morning x

GardenWorm Sat 28-Sep-13 14:29:36

Congrats Tom! X

Pink I think the insomnia is natures way of preparing you for sleepless/interrupted nights. Imagine how pooh you would feel if you had been sleeping like a baby for 8 hrs to then have it totally disrupted by a new born. Nature is quite clever smile

Tomkat79 Sat 28-Sep-13 14:35:31

Haven't actually got booking in apt until Wednesday, earliest apt I could get so sonographer told me I need to ensure I get in for a scan between 11-13 weeks. Just trying to work out when I conceived...must've been a random bit of bd on about cd 7....no wonder hadn't got preggo before as only really DTD during what I thought was peak shagging week lol....but yes very glad I went!

Sun is shining and really warm in Norwich...I'll send some down birds x

JanieLovesLuckySocks Sat 28-Sep-13 15:12:50

great scan news tom!! and welcome penguin smile

pink i'm wit you with the insomnia. i'm always such a good sleeper but currently i am zombie by day and wide awake by night. seems i'm not the only one that wakes up at about 4.30am and can't get back to sleep. doesn't help that dh is a light sleeper so tuts at me for tossing and turning oops.

kjh, hope you have a lovely holiday

i've spent the whole day searching for our cat who has gone missing sad i really really miss him and am really worried about him as he never goes far. he's been gone since yesterday morning which is totally out of character. had a mega weep this morning sad

Tomkat79 Sat 28-Sep-13 15:17:53

Aww janie he'll come home I'm sure. Horrible when they go for days. Ours went AWOL for 5 days before and then strolled in like nothing had happened. Hope he turns up soon x

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SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 28-Sep-13 16:42:26

AIBU to be a little miffed at the What To Expext When Youre Expecting App?
So far, in the highly entertaining 'thus week your baby is as big as' section we have had 'blueberry', 'plum', 'nectarine...
What did we get this week we ask?...
A TURNIP! shock
Of all the healthy vegetarian comestibles in the world, this was the best they could come up with! hmm confused
what next? A kohl rhabi? A beetroot? Your baby is as big as a mangel wurzel?

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CbeebiesIsMyLife Sat 28-Sep-13 18:42:39

I'm so happy for you tom, I've been really nervous and worried fowr you all day blush My phone died and this is the first chance I've had to check in. grin

I'll go and catch up with everyone elses news now smile

Tomkat79 Sat 28-Sep-13 18:47:01

Aww bless you beebies. Thanks to all of you for the support. You guys rock grin

SnotMyProblem Sat 28-Sep-13 18:57:40

Yay Tomkat! Glad it was all fine!

Fod - hoping you're still OK over the weekend.

Penguinita - hello! Hope all is smooth and boring for you over the next nine months.

SnotMyProblem Sat 28-Sep-13 19:03:12

Oh - forgot: Cbeebies, the bit of the cbeebies app with the shouting is the Octonauts one, the mission with the whale.

The anecdote: we were going on holiday. We'd got up at 4.45am to leave the house at 5.45am in order to get to the ferry on time. It was one of the longer crossings, and we were lucky enough to have a cabin on the ferry and thought we might all have a bit of a sleep. DS decided that he didn't want to, so I gave him my tablet to distract him while I dozed (was 5 weeks pg by this point as well, which probably didn't help). Ten minutes later, all I can hear is 'AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHRRRRRRRGGGHHH', 'AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHGGGGGHHHHH', etc. No sleep was had. I hate that bloody game.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 28-Sep-13 19:06:01

ive just had an brainstorm! grin
Recently, ive been feeling decidedly odd. Tired, wobbly, pounding heart, headachy, pale, a bit breathless, classic symptoms and I was concerned it was anxiety. Ive just worked it out! Ill bet im low on flipping iron! <<duh>> my diet has been pants for weeks! I dont remember the last time I could stomach a vegetable! sad
I was worried I was going to keel over! blush
It's a good job im seeeing the midwife on monday!

GuffSmuggler Sat 28-Sep-13 19:15:59

Great news on the scan tom and lovely to see you here penguin grin

BumpKitty Sat 28-Sep-13 20:15:35

Yep saggy that sounds pretty textbook for low iron, it was the breathlessness hat made me think I might be. I hope you don't get the nasty side effects from the tablets!

ibip the lack of sleep was awful by the end of my last pg, by the time. Finished work I was like a zombie. 'twas lovely though to be ale to sleep during the day (till DD arrived!). I hope you get some sleep. I've found I'm really sensitive to caffeine now having limited it so much, if you are having chocolate before bed that might be causing it?

Yey tom brilliant news, I always think I've lost track of what day it is when people have weekend scans! How exciting to move a week on smile

Penguinita Sat 28-Sep-13 20:17:13

Aww, thanks girls for the lovely warm welcomes grin

Lovely happy news on the scan tomkat!

Your post made me laugh saggy, they must have been getting to the bottom of the barrel of round shaped fruit and veg! I'd love to get to the turnip stage, at the moment I just have an apple pip smile

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 28-Sep-13 20:21:53

Bump you mean like small black bullet sized poos? Been there, done that!blush

CbeebiesIsMyLife Sat 28-Sep-13 20:47:59

Saggy I'd get checked for iron but a whole host if other things if the dr will too. Thoes symptoms sound quite similar to mine and I have Folic acid anemia. I'm not suprised your lacking in vitamins tho after everything you've been through. Are you taking some pregnancy vitamins? Pregnacare do some really good ones but are ££.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 28-Sep-13 20:49:33

Im taking pregnancy vitamins and fat bird dosage folic acid. grin

Tomkat79 Sat 28-Sep-13 21:03:29

You are funny saggy grin

So I'm having real trouble working out how I'm one week more preggo than I thought....lmp was def 1/8....is the baby just bigger, or did I conceive like on day 7 not 14, I'm really confused! To be fair that's not hard at the mo, mush brain in full swing.

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Tomkat79 Sat 28-Sep-13 21:15:46

Yeah that makes sense kat, thanks. Btw think you've shifted them headaches onto me!

CbeebiesIsMyLife Sat 28-Sep-13 21:17:44

Tom, babies are all different. They all weigh different weights and are different lengths, yet are measured against the same scale.
For example my baby a week ago was measured at 5mm indicating 5+4 yet I know I am further along than that, there was also a heartbeat which indicates baby is at least 6.2 weeks.
With dd2 I was measured at 9 weeks, but no measurements were written down (I was there for a kidney scan they just checked on baby). 3 weeks later I was told I was 9 weeks along (matched my dates). They refused to listen when I said I was 9 weeks 3 weeks ago. Then 3 more weeks I was corrected to being 13 weeks pg. fast forward to (corrected) 40+2 when I gave birth and placenta was almost dead. 'Oh' said the midwife, this placenta looks almost like a 42+ week pregnancy. hmm No shit Sherlock angry
It's an estimation, there is no way of telling he exact dates of pregnancy.

fod27 Sat 28-Sep-13 21:17:54

Sorry I've been off radar I've been trying to rest... The most taxing thing I have done is to instruct DC on how to Hoover and wash clothes. Only got up to shower smile there hasn't been any cramping or bleeding yet... Hope I haven't just tempted fate. Just hope everything's ok

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Tomkat79 Sat 28-Sep-13 21:30:35

Stay positive fod. As kat says all sounds good.

67 hours and 50 minutes ;-)

fod27 Sat 28-Sep-13 22:00:49

Thanks girls ;) treating myself to a naughty take away

I'll be crossing everything for you Kat... I'm sure everything will be fine xxxx

Penguinita Sun 29-Sep-13 07:58:47

Sounds like you are doing the right thing and looking after yourself fod.

I've got everything crossed for your big news day on Tuesday kat.

I'm having a minor panic this morning as I did a CB digi test last Sunday that said 2-3, so I did another one this morning and it still says 2-3. So now I'm worried that there is something wrong and my hormone levels aren't going up as quickly as they should. Looks like I'll be wasting another tenner on another CB digi mid week...

ChristineDaae Sun 29-Sep-13 08:53:33

Morning all! Been visiting my parents this weekend so just catching up as DD got up and asked for Grandma, so I'm making the most of lounging in bed and getting 10 min peace smile
Fod hope you're doing ok. Black - how are you doing?
Penguin, how far do you think you should be? It could well be that you were at the 'bottom end' of the 2-3 last week, and are at the top end now?

We're off to center parcs tomorrow. DD is going away with the in laws so DP and I are having our last bit of time alone before the madness that is the next 12 months starts.

Hello ladies. Do you mind if I join you? I'm 8w4d today and have had a bit of a bumpy ride this pg so far. Had a big red bleed at 6w-ish and thought it was game over. But a couple of scans since then have showed baby is still ok. They did also show a bleed next to the sac, measuring 3cmx3cmx1cm and said this put me at higher risk of mc. They said to expect the blood to come out but couldn't tell me when. I had a small amount of spotting yesterday, not very much though and it was brown and gloopy so didn't worry me. I'm just not sure whether it should all come out like that? The sonographer did say the blood could just get absorbed into my body instead of coming out. I've not left my sofa this weekend for fear of a gush of blood (like my first bleed) disturbing the baby. Has anyone else on this thread experienced similar, I.e. a visible bleed on the ultrasound?

CbeebiesIsMyLife Sun 29-Sep-13 09:20:50

penguin stop testing. You have a positive, that all you need to know. If it was 2 weeks po it would have said 2-3. now it'll be 3 weeks so still say 2-3. if you test mid week its still going to say 2-3. and more annoyingly while you levels are climbing (because they are and do even if you mc) your levels will get sob high it can trick the machiene into saying 2-3 causing needless panic. The best thing you can do is contact your EPU


CbeebiesIsMyLife Sun 29-Sep-13 09:27:39

Yikes, the most important thing to remember is brown blood is old blood. It doesnt change the panic, fear and BSM attitude we can all provide at times! but if it was brown and gloopy its most probably the bleed you saw on the scanner.

But I will say call the EPAU. it wont hurt to talk to them and get some reassurance from them, they wont mind honestly, its what they are there for

MissMedusa Sun 29-Sep-13 09:43:54

Hi Ladies, I've been lurking in the shadows, too scared to tempt fate and join another thread just to have to announce that I'm out yet again but I have been reading and keeping up with you ladies and thought now is a good time to jump in as I wanted to reassure penguin that I had a similar situation with the CBD in that I had bloods taken that showed HCG levels of 3000 and when I took the CBD the next day it still showed 2-3 weeks (I was 5+2 at this point). It's supposed to switch over at 2000 so obviously the test is less sensitive than it says and/or even FMU can be diluted and skew your results. The moral of the story: don't trust the CBD, it'll make you crazy.

In a nutshell, DH and I have been TTC for 2 years now. I have had 2 MCs, the first was a blighted ovum which I had removed by D&C at 6 weeks and with the second we had a good scan with hearbeat at 6+4 but started spotting a few days later, 2 weeks later we found out it had died at 7 weeks and I mc that one naturally a few weeks later. I had one full cycle since the last mc and now I'm pg again the third time. I'm 6+5 today and have two scans already. We saw an embryo measuring 6mm and heartbeat at 6+1 and I have another scan Wednesday. I'm on progesterone suppositories as my progesterone was low. If all is well at the next scan I will be past the point that the last baby died so I'm walking on eggshells, hoping we make it.

CbeebiesIsMyLife Sun 29-Sep-13 09:47:47

miss I know that feeling of walking on egg shells well. I have everything crossed for you. I also have a scan wednesday so will be thinking of you whilst i'm sat in the waiting room

Tomkat79 Sun 29-Sep-13 10:15:31

Welcome to the thread medusa. Everything crossed for you. Sounds like you deserve a break.

How far along will you be on wed beebies?

CbeebiesIsMyLife Sun 29-Sep-13 10:42:49

Hopefully around 8ish weeks

shellsocks Sun 29-Sep-13 11:27:16

yikes I had a private reassurance scan at 8w which showed what they called a bruise which may bleed, they said not to worry etc. but I did! No blood came tho and it was gone by my 12w scan smile

Penguinita Sun 29-Sep-13 11:56:18

Hi medusa, thanks so much for that reassurance! it makes me feel much better. I'm 5+1 today, so almost exactly the same as you were. Really hope it is third time lucky for you. thanks

And cbeebies, I consider myself well and truly told (you are very strict!) grin. You are totally right, I need to break my 5 month long stick peeing addiction and just remember "today I am pregnant". I'm going to get all my sticks and monitors and thermometers and stuff them down the back of my underwear drawer!

BirdsDoIt Sun 29-Sep-13 12:37:12

Hello all, just catching up on all the chat over the weekend! Welcome to the newbies and fingers crossed for your scan on Wednesday medusa.

blackberry how are you doing? Not long until your scan and also kat's now!

kat yes we came over from the ttc thread about the same time - you a little bit later because you had your rather nightmarish start...think kjh came over about the same time?

Thank you cbeebies and shell - good to know yours cleared up by itself shell; that's what I'm hoping for too :-)

ThePFJ Sun 29-Sep-13 19:22:02

Still pregnant! 7+6 today.... hugs xxxxxx

JanieLovesLuckySocks Sun 29-Sep-13 20:13:43

hello to all the new ladies miss and yikes (sorry if i've missed anyone)! congrats on getting here yay! smile you're in a good place for handholding and support as and when you need it smile

hope that your spotting worries have passed fod and blackberry?

hope you've all had a good weekend, my wee cat is still missing and i'm terribly upset, even dh cried about him last night sad he really is part of the family and our house just isn't the same without him sad keep bursting into tears, dreading work tomorrow as loads of stressful stuff to do and i bet i'll be in tears by about 10am

i came across this website earlier for anyone that can't make it to pregnancy yoga classes...i noticed a friend 'liked' it on facebook so thought it was worth a nosey? pregnancy yoga seems like an online class which you can do at your convenience

MissMedusa Sun 29-Sep-13 21:42:53

Janie our little cat went missing on Thursday and just waltzed in yesterday as if nothing had happened so I can really emphasize. Last year she disappeared for 5 days and had us in pieces. They often get trapped in places. Have you tried all the neighbouring garages?

fod27 Sun 29-Sep-13 22:03:03

Hi yikes I had exactly that! We honestly thought that we had mc again, and were devastated until we went to the epau and saw that all was ok. We were told that so long as the bleed was below the sack (which it was) that it shouldn't affect the baby.... Mine measured 1.5cm by 1.5cm (I also lost a lot of blood both during and post D n C and always wondered wether the two things were related) at my 12 week scan though the sonography looked for the bleed and told us it had gone. I am now 14+4 wks and as far as I'm aware all is still ok... I hope that gives you some peace, also try to remember that the chances of mc diminish once you have seen a heartbeat xxxx hope that helped xxxxx

fod27 Mon 30-Sep-13 00:51:44

I'm feeling very strange, I was visiting family earlier and went really lightheaded and dizzy (I was sat down) this lasted for about 30 minutes, I became gassy through tags evening and my stools became softer... About 3 hour later I felt really ill and had to grab something nearby to vomit... I feel ok now but my MS has been gone for weeks and I'm sure that this isn't right ;(

Angloamerican Mon 30-Sep-13 01:37:38

fod27 It could be something as minor as a tummy bug. Don't sweat the small stuff - ha, if only it were that easy. See how you feel in the morning.

fod27 Mon 30-Sep-13 01:40:53

Could that harm the baby though? X thanks for your swift reply

WhatWillSantaBring Mon 30-Sep-13 09:12:01

No, fod - remember that your baby is nature's finest parasite and you can be as sick as a pig without it harming your baby. If you've been gassy and a bit squitty it sounds like a bit of a bug - best get it out of your system and your baby will be fine.

janie sorry about your cat - pets are 100% part of the family and when they go missing it is heartbreaking. Second what medusa said - cats are really good at getting shut in garages and sheds (and even empty houses - a friends cat got stuck in a house for a week once when the owners went on holiday sad He was a bit thin but survived on loo water.

katatonic Mon 30-Sep-13 09:29:38

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SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 30-Sep-13 09:53:57

Good luck Kat. The waiting is a killer!

im off to see the MW this afternoon. Cant wait to see what she has to say! Ill be back to report any small pearls of wisdom! wink

Pentagon Mon 30-Sep-13 10:31:39

janie I'm sorry to hear about your cat. I can imagine how upsetting it is, I hope he returns soon.

Welcome and congratulations yikes & medusa. Fingers crossed everything goes well this time for both of you!

penguin clearblue isn't that sensitive, please don't spend your money on another one, better wait and see what the EPAU says

fod didn't you have a takeaway on Saturday night? Maybe something upset your digestive system? I had something similar during early pregnancy with DD after having Indian takeaway (a bit milder than what you had but I certainly felt strange) - or as already suggested, it could be a tummy bug. Hope you're feeling better.

kat I'm sure it will be fine tomorrow but the wait is horrible, I know!

SnotMyProblem Mon 30-Sep-13 10:42:20

Hello Yikes and Medusa!

fod, what Santa said - sounds like a tummy bug, and that won't harm the baby. I've had some ropy times with my first (travelling round Malaysia and ate some not-very-nice fast food) and he stuck in there. I hope you're feeling better now.

SnotMyProblem Mon 30-Sep-13 10:46:27

Gah, meant to add: I'm nine-and-a-bit weeks now, and I seem to already been filling out a bit. I'm not sure how, as Spud 1 and Spud 2 are only an inch long. It's probably too much Vimto and noodles (I seem to be living off hot squash and packet ramen at the moment). I've also got a weird heavy feeling in my pelvis, and have had odd twongy pains. I'm hoping it's just everything having a stretch in readiness!

Tomkat79 Mon 30-Sep-13 12:49:07

snot I'm exactly the same. Have filled out all over but have a definite baby belly going on as it doesn't move if I breathe in! Pulled on a pair of maternity bottoms earlier and they were soo comfy. Im 9+4 but only have the one so definitely sure you'll be showing with double trouble ;-)

I also stretched in bed this morning and thought my abdo was going to snap, it really pulled. I have to make sure I don't get up to quickly either as it really twangs.

WhatWillSantaBring Mon 30-Sep-13 13:43:28

Yeah - snot and tom - I was looking definitely pregnant by 8 10 weeks so its not unusual. Its water retention/bloating and the increase in the size of your uterus - I don't think the size of the baby makes much difference!

Swangirl Mon 30-Sep-13 15:08:18

Hi ladies I hope you are all well
Hello newbies I hope you have boring and uneventful pregnancies.
Congratulations on your scan news to everyone who has had a scan recentlyand good luck to everyone who have a scan this week.
I can't believe i am 17 weeks now.
Can I ask for some advise please ladies my pregnancy niggle is terrible trapped windblush and its really uncomfortable.It just doesn't just want to pass any sugguestions how i can let it go.blush Its driving me mad and my burps would make a dwarf proudshock shock

fod27 Mon 30-Sep-13 15:17:27

Are you taking toms Swan?

ThePFJ Mon 30-Sep-13 16:09:26

Awesome burpage Swan grin I can't remember a good remedy though... other than getting DP to give you a good back patting session from top to bottom.... sympathy...

TeaAndANatter Mon 30-Sep-13 16:13:17

Hi all, welcome to new folk.

Swan, does warm as you can manage water with masses of sugar dissolved in do anything? Helps bring all the gas together for me, or at least it did with the last two babies.

My current worry of the week is the my cervix seems to be 1cm dilated, and I'm now worrying (based on nothing at all) that I have a useless cervix and it'll all go wrong. I'm not sure if it's:
a. Just the end of the cervix, as I'm no way going to guddle further up.
b. Normal 3rd (4th) PG wear and tear, and they're a bit less 'closed'.
c. That maybe I bathed away the usual amount of CM which disguises the opening, and just makes it feel more of a dip, and perhaps the CM has filled it back up since I checked (don't want to go on up there again in case guddling does anything bad).

No cramps, no bleeding, I know what the response will be (stop worrying, keep your hands out your gusset, go eat something), but I seem to be finding something new to freak out about fortnightly. FFS. This thread keeps me sane. Thanks everyone. If I get to the end, I'm tempted to do a thread vote on the name as a tribute to the support of the group. From a list I type up, I mean, you're not calling my baby zebedee or something grin

CbeebiesIsMyLife Mon 30-Sep-13 16:46:11

Tea it's normal. What number is this for you? I was 1cm throughout dd2's pregnancy and the great news is I went from there to 7cm without even knowing I was labour. Imagine a disposable piping bag (I'm a cake decorator so my go to for stuff!) if you put very stiff icing in and squeeze it out, the hole expands and stretches sometimes it even tears. Although it does it's best to go bak to normal and you can patch it up, the hole never fully goes back to normal. It will always be a little stretched. It's the same with your fanjo and cervix, it's never the same post dc as it was pre dc.

Pixielady83 Mon 30-Sep-13 17:44:55

Hi everyone! Welcome medusa, penguin and yikes - congratulations on your pregnancies. Fod and blackberry are you both feeling better after scares end of last wk? Hope so.

Saggy how did you get on with mw? Hope it went ok. Good luck to scan ladies this week.

Janie I hope your little cat comes back soon sad

We had a very pleasant break away at the wkd and I got through my previous due date without trauma just sadness. So grateful to be pregnant for it.

Nothing else to report apart from the weeks dragging a bit now. 18 wks and feels like it will be a long time before work finishes. Looking forward to 20wk scan (hows that for posifrickingtivity!) at least I'll be half way then.

BirdsDoIt Mon 30-Sep-13 18:39:43

Oh god beebies this is DC1 for me and I'm not sure I like the sound of that confused smile

janie I really really hope your cat strolls in tonight safe and sound if he hasn't already x

fod hope you're feeling better. It did make me laugh when someone pointed out you'd had takeaway on Saturday night - do you think we might know too much about each other on this thread?!

kat is your scan tomorrow? Keeping everything crossed for you.

Not much to report here. Such an age to wait now until next mw appt at beg November and 22 week scan end November. Lovely to be able to tell friends at last but having told work at the end of last week I'm finding it a bit strange that my pregnancy came up as a topic of conversation a couple of times today - I've got so used to work being a baby chat free zone and I think I kind of preferred it like that! Started my first baby knitting project this weekend to occupy myself...have about 5 baby knitting books so that should help pass the time before November...

TeaAndANatter Mon 30-Sep-13 19:12:57

Thanks cbeebies, I kind of know I'm being barking. Preg no. 4, baby (hopefully) no. 3.

Birds loving the idea of your baby knitting project. If you could knit me a baby, it might be simpler than this pregnancy lark. Can I have it in any colour, too? grin

katatonic Mon 30-Sep-13 19:16:32

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BirdsDoIt Mon 30-Sep-13 20:22:25

Oh kat not long to wait! And you've had quite a few good earlier scans, haven't you? I think it's looking promising!

Ha ha tea if I only could knit a baby. Based on my success with a hat so far it might end up with slightly wonky dimensions (and also, stripy smile)

Tomkat79 Mon 30-Sep-13 20:30:49

Keeping everything crossed for you tomoro kat, hope you can get some sleep tonight.

Yeah tea knit me one too wink

katatonic Mon 30-Sep-13 20:35:12

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fod27 Mon 30-Sep-13 20:48:15

Hahaaaa yes! Your all a bunch of stalking freaks! No more sickness but this 2nd trimester is pants! Hardly any symptoms, no movements other than poor skin no signs of pregnancy..... I'm not a fan ;)

Thanks for the pep talk though ladies

Hope everyone gassy, gusset fumbling or otherwise is well ;)

shellsocks Mon 30-Sep-13 21:44:54

Hi everyone smile

fod I second all the previous advice, I had a bug earlier in this pregnancy which was suspected appendicitis I was in that much pain with the stomach cramps it was v scary as like you I wondered how the baby could cope with all that going on - but they are not affected at all so try not to worry, it's just v important you don't get dehydrated as that can affect the baby x

Good luck tomorrow kat sorry you have to wait till after work tho nightmare!

I had MW today and she couldn't find the heart beat, what a heart in the mouth moment that was sad all fine tho once found thank god smile She also told me that my hospital has had improvements (and it was already fantastic) and they now have more pools and a birthing chair (it was on OBEM and has the rope from the ceiling to hold on to) So that's made me feel good and like its all a bit real, yikes grin

omri Mon 30-Sep-13 21:49:04

Hi all - just checking in after the weekend.
Welcome all the newbies!

Watching the midwives- it is impossible for me to watch and not cry. Sitting here sobbing my heart out at the babies coming out.

BlackberryandNettle Mon 30-Sep-13 21:49:10

Just popping on to say hi to everyone - fod hope you're feeling better - I am already wondering how people cope with the long wait from 12 to 20 week scan, with no reassurance in between! When is your next scan?

katatonic - can't wait for the scan tmrw, especially after my friday stress, fingers crossed for a good scan and results for us both.

Birds and pixie thanks, am feeling a lot better, no more yellow discharge or blood. Doctor would not swab (am worried about bacterial vaginosis as don't think I have thrush) but am planning to ask the midwife her opinion on weds after scan and ask fmc at scan tmrw!

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SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 30-Sep-13 21:56:43

Well. I turned up at the local MLU for my antenatal. It turns out that some bloody inconsiderate woman was in labour and there was no one to see me! wink grin
So Im rebooked for wednesday. I popped into the GP instead to talk about possibly being iron deficient. She checked my hands and said I dont look anaemic, but took blood anyway. Everything else is ok, BP etc, and she thinks I might be suffering feom anxiety. no shit sherlock grin
If the bloods come back normal, I need to take up yoga!confused
I am not built for yoga! blush

omri Mon 30-Sep-13 22:02:46

Kat - omg did you see that girl Karly whose baby popped out when she was on her own supposed to be having a sleep as only 1cm?! Mental!!! That was amazing!

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omri Mon 30-Sep-13 22:05:54

Omg saggy - she thinks maybe Anxiety? Genius pure genius!!

katatonic Mon 30-Sep-13 22:09:01

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omri Mon 30-Sep-13 22:11:47

She had to catch the baby! Wow. That can't happen too often.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 30-Sep-13 23:44:53

Ooh, I booked my flu jab today. anyone else having one?

fod27 Tue 01-Oct-13 02:42:58

shellshock sounds as though you'll be booking into a dive star establishment... Sooo glad it's starting feel real ;)
Birds I now find it really uncomfortable talking about my pregnancy I think a lot of that is because in scared it's still tempting fate
kat is this the dating scan? For me this was my big one also.... Think it was mainly because that's when we discovered our MMC last time but you've have no symptoms and great scans so everything's looking great ;)
omri I cry at that too! Think it a mix if emotions - especially that feeling of "it could be me, I hope it's me, no one will love that baby more... Etc etc"
blackberry I have to wait until November!!! Grrr but in working my magic on DH for another private one in a couple of weeks just so settle my mind - good luck for yours tomorrow... What time is your appointment?
Hahaa saggy that "no shit Sherlock" coo menu was like listening to my religious nan swear! You do make me laugh! Are you getting any counselling?

fod27 Tue 01-Oct-13 02:44:46

Grrrr posted half post! saggy I hope your looking Andrew yourself though.. I hear that some places do pregnancy massage had you thought about having a dabble?

Tomkat79 Tue 01-Oct-13 03:03:46

Can't you sleep fod? Get up for a pee?! I'm on night shift 1 of 2...bleurgh

IBelieveInPink Tue 01-Oct-13 03:09:43

Haha! Loving the night time chat! I'm awake, as usual. Baby had a party going on about 2 hours ago, been awake since. Boo. Work tomorrow is going to be fun

Hope your shift is going okay tom

IBelieveInPink Tue 01-Oct-13 03:37:09

Ooh. Just realised its October now. That means I can finally say -
Baby is due next month!!!!!! Eek!!

And mat leave starts this month. Whoop!

GardenWorm Tue 01-Oct-13 06:39:49

Saggy had my flu jab yesterday, so far so good - already had a cold though so not likely to notice either way (don't remember any side effects from last pg)

Pink I was just thinking the same, I technically have 4 weeks left but got some annual in there....WHOOP!

Good luck today Kat and any other scannees I may have overlooked xxx

Thank you fod for your message. Hope you're feeling a bit better and less anxious.
kat - best of luck for your results today. I've got my harmony bloods next week and can't wait to get the results. Am soooo hoping for a good result this time round. Eek. Fx for you.
saggy - I'm thinking of having the flu jab. Did you just book it via your GP?
pink - it must be such a nice feeling that the wait is nearly over!!
janie - any sign of your cat?. I feel so sad when I hear about lost cat stories. Cats are the best.

BirdsDoIt Tue 01-Oct-13 07:35:15

kat and blackberry good luck with your scans today and hope the time whizzes by until you get there!

fod after post-scan euphoria of last week, yes I'm not overwhelmed by the joy of 2nd trimester so far. Symptoms lingering (nausea, bloating, nice) but fading and no other visible signs of pg and a looong wait until I can hope to feel the baby start moving - beginning to feel like a bit of a fraud when I talk to people about it and yes somewhat like I'm tempting fate. Had to look at scan pics a couple of times yesterday to reassure myself there's actually a baby in there, and then felt much better!

JanieLovesLuckySocks Tue 01-Oct-13 07:58:23

Good luck for the scans and test results today's girls, got everything crossed for you.

Saggy yes I'm getting the flu jab, got the last one in March too, and I got the whooping cough one too.

Still no sign of my wee cat, I'm very distressed about it sad thank you for all the positive vibes, really hope he cones back safely.

I was part if the wide awake club too this morning but dh shouted at me for being on my phone at 4.30am so couldn't join the twilight chat earlier x

Pink I can't believe we're having babies next month!!! And the rest of the November girls!!! Pentagon you must be super excited!!!!! Eek! How's that for posifrickintivity!!!!

CbeebiesIsMyLife Tue 01-Oct-13 07:58:47

Morning all, really struggling with my teeth today, I have a dentist appointment next Friday but there's not much he can do about it till after pregnancy sad (cracked back tooth, waiting for general anestitic to have it fixed)

Feeling really miserable today, just want to curl up and go back to bed, I can't tho as I have a therapy appointment this morning. I'm just having a down day and am wishing My body would get on and miscarry so I can get on with my life. It's like a cruel joke.

Scan tomorrow then I'll be able to start feeling more positive? Maybe?

CbeebiesIsMyLife Tue 01-Oct-13 07:59:47

Argh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to be so negative sad it's just a bad day. I just have to get through today.

JanieLovesLuckySocks Tue 01-Oct-13 08:12:06

Aw cbeebies you sound like your day has got off to a rough start. Fingers crossed everything will be ok for you tomorrow,I can guarantee we have all had those negative thoughts. Sending you a massive hug xxxx

Can anyone tell me why I am spitting blood this morning?! No bleeding from teeth and no sore throat or cough hmm. Not sure if I should be worried?!

Pixielady83 Tue 01-Oct-13 08:48:15

((cbeebies)) sore teeth and scan doom will make you feel like that please don't be sorry. Toothache must be awful without good painkillers sad

Janie gums maybe? classic pg symptom and you might not see if its from the back.

birds I totally felt like a fraud talking about the pregnancy even after 12wk scan. I'm only happy talking about it now that I'm feeling regular movements, I didn't really get any peace of mind until that happened.

BirdsDoIt Tue 01-Oct-13 08:57:03

Hugs cbeebies. We've all been in that particular pit of despair. Hope your scan tomorrow brings good news and helps you feel better.

janie willing your cat to come home very soon x

Getting excited for the November ladies! Going to be a busy month on this thread next month!

pixie thanks - glad to hear it's not just me being weird...

IBelieveInPink Tue 01-Oct-13 08:58:42

Oh Janie - sorry I meant to say, so sorry to hear your cat has gone for a wander. Am hoping he just strolls back in the house like nothing's has happened and wonders why you fuss over him! Xxx

IBelieveInPink Tue 01-Oct-13 08:59:55

And garden- technically I'm still at work until the 30th - but loads of leave days so only 16 working days left. Meep!

JanieLovesLuckySocks Tue 01-Oct-13 09:06:21

Thanks all, fx eh. I've cooked fillet steaks, a roast chicken, opened 3 tins if tuna and 2 packets of ham and wafted them round the garden but still nada hmm

Only 17.5 days of work left for me woop yay! Only 3 more Mondays smile

Re the spit, it's more of a throaty blood than a mouthy blood...just happened first thing and Serbs to have cleared phew. And I spoke too soon saying I didn't have a sore throat...seems to be on its way boo

shellsocks Tue 01-Oct-13 09:10:05

Eek I'm having a baby next month too grin

Not sure we've had stats on this thread, hope these are the latest:

Stats 1 October: Today we are pregnant

Pentagon: 1 DD, 2MMCs, EDD 31 October
BumpKitty: 1MC, 1DD, EDD 9 Nov
Shellshock7: 2MC 1DS EDD 12 Nov
Bodicea: 0DC, 2MC, EDD 16 Nov.
Ibelieveinpink: 2mc, EDD 16 Nov
GardenWorm: 1DC, 2MC, EDD 19th November,
Janielovesluckysocks: 1MC, 0DC, EDD 23rd Nov,
Lucky13: 1DS, 1 chemical, 2MC, EDD 23rd Nov
Vixjane: 2 MC, EDD 24 Nov,
Vocalista86: 1 MMC, EDD 30 November.
Jmf294: 1 DS, 1DD, 1 MC, EDD 10th Dec
ChocolateCremeEggbag: 1DS, 1MC, EDD 16 Dec
DIYandEatCake: 1dd, 1mc, EDD ?16 dec
Booty: 1chemical EDD 19 Dec
Blackholes: 2 MC, 2 DC, EDD 25 December
WillSantaComeAgain: 1DC, 2MMC, EDD 29Dec
pumpkinsweetie mc1, EDD 03 Jan
Christinedaae - 1DD, 1MC, EDD 25th Jan, anomaly scan 6th Sept
Lieslvontrapp: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 10 Feb, anomaly scan 26/09
TotalShock 0DC, 1MMC, EDD 1 March
Pixielady83 1DD, 1MMC, EDD 3 March
GuffSmuggler: 1DS, 1MCC, EDD 4 March
Rock: 1DS, 1MMC, EDD 4 March
Swangirl:1DD,2DS,1MC EDD ? March 2014
Motorcyclemama: 1MMC, EDD 17 March
SaggyOldClothPussCat: 1MC, 1DD, 1DS, EDD 18 March
Foresterr 1DD, 1MMS, EDD 24 March
Omri: 1DS, 1MMS, EDD 24 March
Fod27: 1DD 1DS 1MMC EDD 26th March 2014
RainbowConnections: 1DS, 2MC, EDD 1 April
Birdsdoit: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 6 April
Blackberryand Nettle: 1MMC, EDD 10th April
TeaAndANatter: DS, DD, 1MMC, 20th April (ish)
Kjh5: 0DC, 1MC, EDD 21 April 2014
PoppySeedBun: 0DC, 1 MMC, EDD 22 April 2014
ImpatientlyWaiting: 0DC, 1MC, EDD 1 May 2014
MarthasHarbour: 1DS, 2MCs, EDD 7 May 2014
Tomkat: EDD 9 May 2014
ThePFJ: 1DS 7MC 1 Ectopic, EDD 12th May 2014

New arrivals

Jessw25 Baby Oliver born 9 July 2013 5lb 11oz
GaryBuseysTeeth Baby Alexander born 30 July 2013 7lb 4oz
Andadietcoke twin girls born 29 August Charlotte 5lb 5oz & Sophie 7lb 13oz

CbeebiesIsMyLife Tue 01-Oct-13 09:13:25

Can I join the stats?

CbeebiesIsMyLife: 2DD's 6MC EDD 15th May

tigsnchar1 Tue 01-Oct-13 09:13:59

Please can I join you? Although I'm scared that will jinx things!
We lost our last baby at 20 weeks and so am ridiculously stressed about trying again. I am 5 weeks or thereabouts. We have one DD already.
My symptoms are up and down - sickness and sore boobs, then sore tummy and indigestion, then nothing except bloating. I'm already driving OH crazy with worry.
Congratulations to everyone who has managed to stay sane so far...

JanieLovesLuckySocks Tue 01-Oct-13 09:19:39

Hi tigs! So sorry to read about your loss, that must have been terribly hard for you. You're very welcome to join us, these girls are experts at hand holding. Wishing you a very uneventful pregnancy xxx

Oh remember my whiffy chuff last week, well it appears I have a uti so have to pick up antibiotics later. At least I know phew

Pixielady83 Tue 01-Oct-13 09:55:33

Ladies who have had flu jabs before, did you feel ok afterwards? both the clinic dates I can do fall on busy weekends so don't really want to spoil them by feeling flu-ey.

Pixielady83 Tue 01-Oct-13 09:56:47

Hello tig, congratulations on your pregnancy. So sorry to hear about your previous loss thanks hope you find lots of support and posifrickingtivity here smile

JanieLovesLuckySocks Tue 01-Oct-13 10:16:20

Pixie I felt totally fine after my last flu jab x

SnotMyProblem Tue 01-Oct-13 10:19:16

Cbeebies - sorry to hear about your tooth and generally feeling rubbish-ness. I'll be thinking about you and good luck with the scan tomorrow.

Hello Tig. I'm so sorry to hear about your loss, and wish all the best for this pregnancy. Congratulations!

I've got my dates for the booking-in appointment and my 12-week scan. Both manage to be very inconvenient in terms of getting DS to and from nursery. I'm just going to have to call a friend and make them a very nice lunch, then grovel a bit.

SnotMyProblem Tue 01-Oct-13 10:20:25

Bugger - I keep forgetting things: I had the flu jab last time with DS, and felt absolutely fine afterwards. My husband swears that he gets ill every time after having it, but I must be made of sterner stuff!

Pixielady83 Tue 01-Oct-13 10:38:14

Thanks ladies, didn't have it last time so wasn't sure. Wish they could vaccinate against stomach bugs too, its those that always seem to hit us the hardest in the winter!

Snot I'm sure your friend will be happy to help especially if she knows its all for an excellent cause smile

Swangirl Tue 01-Oct-13 13:35:43

Stats 1 October: Today we are pregnant

Pentagon: 1 DD, 2MMCs, EDD 31 October
BumpKitty: 1MC, 1DD, EDD 9 Nov
Shellshock7: 2MC 1DS EDD 12 Nov
Bodicea: 0DC, 2MC, EDD 16 Nov.
Ibelieveinpink: 2mc, EDD 16 Nov
GardenWorm: 1DC, 2MC, EDD 19th November,
Janielovesluckysocks: 1MC, 0DC, EDD 23rd Nov,
Lucky13: 1DS, 1 chemical, 2MC, EDD 23rd Nov
Vixjane: 2 MC, EDD 24 Nov,
Vocalista86: 1 MMC, EDD 30 November.
Jmf294: 1 DS, 1DD, 1 MC, EDD 10th Dec
ChocolateCremeEggbag: 1DS, 1MC, EDD 16 Dec
DIYandEatCake: 1dd, 1mc, EDD ?16 dec
Booty: 1chemical EDD 19 Dec
Blackholes: 2 MC, 2 DC, EDD 25 December
WillSantaComeAgain: 1DC, 2MMC, EDD 29Dec
pumpkinsweetie mc1, EDD 03 Jan
Christinedaae - 1DD, 1MC, EDD 25th Jan, anomaly scan 6th Sept
Lieslvontrapp: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 10 Feb, anomaly scan 26/09
TotalShock 0DC, 1MMC, EDD 1 March
Pixielady83 1DD, 1MMC, EDD 3 March
GuffSmuggler: 1DS, 1MCC, EDD 4 March
Rock: 1DS, 1MMC, EDD 4 March
Swangirl:1DD,2DS,1MC EDD 8 March 2014 anomaly scan 24 oct
Motorcyclemama: 1MMC, EDD 17 March
SaggyOldClothPussCat: 1MC, 1DD, 1DS, EDD 18 March
Omri: 1DS, 1MMS, EDD 24 March
Fod27: 1DD 1DS 1MMC EDD 26th March 2014
RainbowConnections: 1DS, 2MC, EDD 1 April
Birdsdoit: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 6 April
Blackberryand Nettle: 1MMC, EDD 10th April
TeaAndANatter: DS, DD, 1MMC, 20th April (ish)
Kjh5: 0DC, 1MC, EDD 21 April 2014
PoppySeedBun: 0DC, 1 MMC, EDD 22 April 2014
ImpatientlyWaiting: 0DC, 1MC, EDD 1 May 2014
MarthasHarbour: 1DS, 2MCs, EDD 7 May 2014
Tomkat: EDD 9 May 2014
ThePFJ: 1DS 7MC 1 Ectopic, EDD 12th May 2014
CbeebiesIsMyLife: 2DD's 6MC EDD 15th May
New arrivals

Jessw25 Baby Oliver born 9 July 2013 5lb 11oz
GaryBuseysTeeth Baby Alexander born 30 July 2013 7lb 4oz
Andadietcoke twin girls born 29 August Charlotte 5lb 5oz & Sophie 7lb 13oz

Good luck to all ladies having a scan today

GardenWorm Tue 01-Oct-13 13:36:59

Just gloating: 12 Actual Days left in work! Whoop!

Hello Tigs and welcome, hope you have a very very dull pregnancy x

CbeebiesIsMyLife Tue 01-Oct-13 13:42:39

This day has just gone from bad to worse sad I arrive at my therapy appointment, nipped to the toile and discovered I was bleeding. Been on the phone to EPAU who can't fit me in today. Luckily my appointment is tomorrow, been told to take some paracetamol and wait (standard midwife response then! wink) thankfully both girls have decided to take a nap (thank god for small miracles) I'm makin some dinner and will try and sleep after. Dh is trying to get home soon to help look after the monsters.

Seriously tho, this is it. This is the last pregnancy. I can't keep doing this, it's not good sad I feel so helpless and resigned. I just can't do it any more.

Pixielady83 Tue 01-Oct-13 14:02:44

oh no cbeebies sad is it definitely new blood? I really hope things are ok, so sorry epu can't fit you in today.

GardenWorm Tue 01-Oct-13 14:17:19

Cbeebies stay strong, it can and very often is normal. I have everything possible crossed for you. I know it's not great but at least they can see you tomorrow and you haven't been left waiting in limbo for days. xxx

GuffSmuggler Tue 01-Oct-13 14:18:14

cceebies sorry you are having a bad day, shame they can't fit you in today but at least you only have to wait until tomorrow, try and keep positive.

Pixie I've had the flu jab the last 3 years running since being PG with DS and have felt fine each time. I'm booked in for the next one on Sat. Flu is so awful and very serious for the unborn baby so I didn't think twice about it. Will def be getting the whooping cough as well.

Good luck for all the scans today. I just looked at the stats and there is going to be a bumper crop of babies End Oct/Nov, how exciting!!

fod27 Tue 01-Oct-13 14:44:00

tigs welcome and congrats on your pregnancy... It must have been incredibly hard to have a loss at that stage, we are all here for you cxx

cbeebies have you had any cramping? Try to remember that a lot if us have had some kind of bleed in our pregnancies so long as it's not accompanied by cramping
all should be ok...., doesn't put your mind at rest tho does it?
No problem yikes just hope it helped

Unfortunately ladies I seem to sleep all evening and end up awake all night! I'm sooo glad I don't feel alone in the fear of second trimester lack of symptoms.

question time have any of you had intercourse since your BFPs?

Pixielady83 Tue 01-Oct-13 16:08:52

fod yes but only last wkd when I got to 18wks... and even then hips were too sore for it to be very, ahem, satisfactory for either party blush think DH might have resigned himself to celibacy until next spring... I admire people who manage to maintain active sex lives in pregnancy, I just seem to find it very uncomfortable.

Tomkat79 Tue 01-Oct-13 16:10:01

Aww beebies hope you can get your feet up and try to relax, yeah right. Crap that they can't see you today. I swear if I worked on an EPU I'd stay late to squeeze people in! They can't have any idea what it must be like to go overnight!!!

janie hoping your fur bag comes home real soon.

kat not long now until your scan. Hope all is well.

Welcome tigs. Lots of handholding here.

fod you can chat to me tonight when the insomnia kicks in as another night shift looming. Tried to sneak out this morning before matron arrived. Despite walking the other way with my hood up she still rumbled my hair colour disaster. I look like I've left my hair in a betroot jar overnight. It's a little pink shock. Old bag told me it was against policy and I wasn't to come back until it was brown again. It's not against policy as it's clean, neat and tidy and it told her I'd quite happily not come back tonight if that's how she wanted it. She scurried off at that point as she knows she's talking shite.

Intercourse...yes once. And he was so bloody gentle I barely felt it haha. That's quite enough for the first trimester.

SnotMyProblem Tue 01-Oct-13 16:14:28

Cbeebies, I hope you can get some rest, and I'm crossing my fingers (and everything else) for you tomorrow.

fod27 Tue 01-Oct-13 16:56:03

Aww thanks tom I would ask matron to show you exactly where in you contract it states anything about your hair colour ;)

thanks pixie we did it today for the first time since BFP didn't even do it on our wedding night out of fear... I was worried something might happen

On a unrelated topic I've just been dragged into the teachers strike action debate on Facebook by people who have no idea of the facts!!! Grrrrrr makes me incredibly angry!

Penguinita Tue 01-Oct-13 17:44:55

So sorry you are having scary bleeding cbeebies, really hope it isn't as bad as you fear. Your tooth sounds nasty too, how ironic that they offer free dental treatment to pregnant women and we can't sodding use it.

Hi tigs and welcome. I'm just over 5 weeks too so it is nice to have someone else at a similar stage! Jealous of all your symptoms though, I just have sore boobs, I'd love a bit of sick <batshit craziness showing>

I don't dare add myself to the stats list yet, it feels like tempting fate.

fod, DH has been told no proper sex until at least 12 weeks. We didn't abstain last time and it is one of very a long list of things that I put down as potential MC triggers to avoid next time around.

A cat pooed all over our doorstep last night, I pleaded toxoplasmosis risk and made DH clear it up. An unexpected pregnancy bonus grin!

Tomkat79 Tue 01-Oct-13 17:46:15

Ooh don't start me on that fod lol. To be fair I initially thought get to bloody work as us nurses work in shit conditions and we can't strike but then I read the ROAR article on fb and now have a better understanding of the reasons behind it. People have been very opinionated about it on my fb too. Hope that blood pressure is low!

tigsnchar1 Tue 01-Oct-13 17:46:29

Thanks everyone for the welcome and good wishes. I did have mental health issues after we lost our baby girl and so really want some support now, but obviously can't tell friends or family. You are very kind.

Cbeebies, I am so sorry you're having such a rough time. Sending lots of positive thoughts. I know exactly what you mean about trying again, it's taken over a year for us to dare.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 01-Oct-13 18:06:03

Tigs you have come to the right place!
this thread and these lovely ladies are about the only thing between me and the edge some days smile !

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Tomkat79 Tue 01-Oct-13 18:33:06

Omfg kat so happy for you!!! Absolutely fantastic news, so pleased xxxx

kjh5 Tue 01-Oct-13 18:53:26

Yay Kat!!! So thrilled for you - best news ever! I'm just on holiday at the moment in rainy Devon with no signal but just wanted to check in and see how today's scans went. So happy it's good news!

Have been with friends who have a one-year-old and a four-month-old and boy which I was initially worried about but am I loving every minute of it! Broody as hell which is a relief smile Been so nice to cuddle babies and have fun with a toddler and everyone knows I'm pregnant so all have been really reassuring.

Haven't had time to read through the thread but just wanted to send everyone lots of hugs - hope no one is having too hard a time of it xx

SnotMyProblem Tue 01-Oct-13 18:56:42

Yay kat! That is lovely to hear!

GuffSmuggler Tue 01-Oct-13 18:57:00

Great news kat grin

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fod27 Tue 01-Oct-13 19:44:48

Hahaa Tom that was pretty much the vibe I was getting however I would totally back anyone else striking over poor conditions or treatment, my mum is a carer and I completely understand how hard you guys work... I think the public think that we have no appreciation for other sectors or workers etc
penguita I am 14 and a half weeks now so I'm hoping that May be a positive factor?

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SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 01-Oct-13 19:51:03

I am SO pleased for you Kat. smile

We are on our way home from London. The heart scan went as expected. There is a significant hole in the heart, nothing much between left and right and a single valve between top and bottom. It sounds awful, and I have a scary biro sketch from the cardiologist, but he actually sounded really blasé. They operate around 3-6 months, patch the central wall top and bottom and slpit the single valve into two! confused
There is a 95% success rate and all should be fine after.
The relief is palpable. I was so worried they would tell me there was nothing they can do!
I just need to help DP get on board now!

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GardenWorm Tue 01-Oct-13 20:02:19

Saggy although initially not the greatest news from your scan, you have to be delighted by the blasé 95% success rate! I'm sure baby saggy will be as tough a cookie as their mum and will take everything in their stride. Daddy Saggy will definitely come on board, just takes different people different amounts of time to adjust to things. When they are born he will still fall madly deeply and overwhelmingly in love with them x

Congrats Kat, great news for you x

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fod27 Tue 01-Oct-13 20:24:05

Wow saggy I had no idea that you were going through all this today... I'm so sorry for that. Has DH spoken to his GP about counselling? Are you seeing someone? 95% those were the same odds that you were given on a viable pregnancy right? Now look at you! I've a sneaky suspicion all will be well in the Saggy household

CbeebiesIsMyLife Tue 01-Oct-13 20:46:24

I'm just poping up to say yet for Kat, so glad all is good grin
And saggy, thems good odds, they're blasé because they know (as much as thy can) it's all good, baby saggy is fine. Hope dh catches up soon. It's been a roller coaster ride for both of you, give him time by the time baby is born I'm sure he'll be ready and together x

GuffSmuggler Tue 01-Oct-13 20:57:03

Wow saggy what a rollercoaster you are on, you must feel exhausted. You and baby sound like you're in good hands, at least you know what to prepare yourself for. I would be pleased with a confident surgeon!

Big hugs, you are facing so much right now just try and take it one day at a time.

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Pixielady83 Tue 01-Oct-13 21:30:21

kat brilliant news, very pleased for you!

saggy I'm so glad they are blase about this, although it sounds very scary they will have so much experience in this kind of surgery so at least you know your baby will be in the best possible hands. It's also brilliant that it sounds like hopefully it'll be a one off op and then no further action. I can't imagine how mentally knackered you must be trying to process all these updates but really admire how positive you are. I hope mr saggy is doing ok as well, think it's very true the point kat makes about men taking longer. Think you deserve some cake by the way seeing as you can't have wine to help you unwind after today!

Pixielady83 Tue 01-Oct-13 21:35:47

Small update from me: after very positive VBAC clinic appointment last week I met with the consultant today who basically started the appointment with shouting at me: "right, if baby is head down you try VBAC, yes?". She was very blunt and loud and I was a bit overwhelmed! I am on board with the VBAC attempt after going through it all in a lot of detail with mw last week and glad I am because I think it would have taken quite a lot of fight to try and pursue an elective section with this lady. She was kind though, the abruptness of it all just made me laugh a little bit, I was expecting a bit more gentleness and discussion but evidently that's not her style!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 01-Oct-13 21:43:35

Mr Saggy is really not on board with the DS aspect of things. sad
His mother has put the wind right up him. She used to work in care. The DS cases she worked with would have been in the system since birth, think 1950/60s and highly institutionalised. I just start with how things are really different today, and the support is fantastic, and she tells him it will be awful and Ill never work again! angry

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 01-Oct-13 21:45:15

Pixie that's a bit rough! Stay strong, make your decision and go with it!

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Pixielady83 Tue 01-Oct-13 21:58:39

sad saggy that's beyond unhelpful isn't it. And totally out of date experience to go on. Have any NHS peeps given you details of any DS support groups? I don't know details but I have heard of families being able to spend time with families who have a child with the same/similar condition and it being really helpful in terms of what to expect. Even if mr Saggy doesn't go with you initially it might help you have some examples to talk to him about and then maybe you could build up to him going with you to meet a family? It's so hard not being on the same page as the person you love on something like this but hopefully he will get there. Also, would MIL listen if you ask her to pipe down and leave you both to think this through yourselves?

BlackberryandNettle Tue 01-Oct-13 22:10:28

Just coming on to say we also had our 12 week scan and it was fine :-) very relieved indeed. So nice to see the baby and heartbeat again although the sonographer bounced my stomach quite a lot to get it to turn, must have been snoozing! Harmony result was v low risk, ruling out the three trisomies. The result included the sex - they showed me on the paperwork but not dh as he wants a surprise! Not sure how I'll manage to keep that quiet!

Kat so glad you had good news too, was thinking of you earlier! Have you told many people this evening? We have just called family/people who knew scan was today.

Tomorrow I am still planning to call midwife to demand an appointment to swab for bacterial vaginosis after friday discharge/blood. Have a feeling she will say the same as the doctor - it's unlikely - but don't want to take the risk.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 01-Oct-13 22:16:16

That is good news Blackberry.
I worry about each and every one of you when you go for scans! confused
Pixie tomorrows job is to contact the DS Association and the counsellor.

BlackberryandNettle Tue 01-Oct-13 22:16:47

Saggy sorry to read your heart scan news but it's great that it sounds easily operable. Annoyed to read about your MIL though - not exactly positive support angry. She is just wrong, the baby will be in nursery/school and able to have a very normal childhood. All the best to you and your dh.

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SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 01-Oct-13 22:30:32

I still don't know the sex! I told the sonographer she could only scan me if she looked for me! She didn't bother! When I mentioned it she said it was too early to tell! Bollocks!
Im nearly 17 weeks and she was able to zoom in so that the femur took up the whole screen! hmm
I have to wait another week for the full CVS results to come through! sad

fod27 Tue 01-Oct-13 22:40:17

saggy sounds like MiL needs a bloody slap! That's well out of order if anything she should be backing off, allowing you both to come to terms with things and then offer support... I'm sorry I'm just very angry for you! Like your not going through enough right now! I hope that your friends and family are being supportive cxxx you need good supportive people around you right now not people that will bring you down xxxxxx

fod27 Tue 01-Oct-13 22:40:52

Congrats blackberry that's wonderful news!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 01-Oct-13 22:47:46

Fod I have all of you, I have the Special Needs forum, and I have a fantastic support network IRL including my Mum, sisters and several very very good friends. I am very very lucky. smile

fod27 Tue 01-Oct-13 22:58:37

That's good saggy I worry about you most... Hope that doesn't sound patronising but I think we are all very much looking out for you at present xxxx

Just been reading the stats list and there's going to be 14 Christmas babies!!! Wow! Lucky lucky ladies

BumpKitty Tue 01-Oct-13 23:19:53

Gosh you've all been super chatty again.

Hello new joiners big congratulations on your BFPs smile

Very pleased for you kat and blackholes, and good luck for tomorrow cbeebies I hope the bleeding has stopped x

saggy that sounds like a whole lot of stuff to take in. That's incredible what they can do with his/her heart! And the success rate is amazing. When I typed that I really wanted to say 'his' heart so there's my prediction! It does sound like your MIL is in dire need of reeducation. As I'm sure you know, her comments and your mum's just come out of concern for you two as you are their babies and they want to look after you both. It must be incredibly hard though when you need support yourself and instead you're having to fight the corner for your baby. I hope you have a good day tomorrow and make some useful contacts xx

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 01-Oct-13 23:31:15

Fod I worry about you lot too! Im on tenterhooks when someone has a scan!
Bump I agree. Thankfully my DM and I have made it up and had a long chat. She is lovely, she just panics a bit. She's right there behind me.
MIL is from an entirely different generation. TBH I will just steer clear.

fod27 Wed 02-Oct-13 00:38:22

How many ladies have has headaches during the second trimester? I've never suffered with them before but I've been googling again

Penguinita Wed 02-Oct-13 06:56:34

I was so tired I went to bed at 9pm last night, and now I've been awake since 4.30am! This bean is messing with my body clock!

Lovely news on the scans kat and blackberry, it must be such a relief. I can't see you getting to the birth without accidentally referring to your baby as "him" or "her" though blackberry and giving the game away smile

Your MIL isn't making things easy, is she saggy? Ah, families, who'd ave em? I'm sure she is just trying to "help" by making her son aware of what he might have to cope with, but basing that on a bad experience from fifty years ago is more harmful than helpful. As if you didn't have enough to stress about.

Penguinita Wed 02-Oct-13 07:00:57

I have my first midwife appointment on Friday, and I want to push for an early reassurance scan. Any tips on how to improve my chances? Does crying help or hinder (I might not be able to help that anyway)? Should I emphasise my worries about an ectopic following previous suspected ectopic (that feels a bit devious)? I expect it will just come down to whatever the policy is in my area, but any advice would be very welcome.

Tomkat79 Wed 02-Oct-13 07:59:18

Good luck with that penguin. I practically offered blood to my GP and she was having none of it! I tried 2 weeks ago via the community midwife route as booking in appointment not until today and she said she could only refer if there was bleeding/cramping etc. ended up paying privately which was a bugger but glad to have that reassurance. Now I'm just terrified about the 12 week one!

As you say it's very dependant on the policy but I'd maybe turn on the water works. Just enough to make your eyes well up but not tears rolling down ya cheeks! Good luck xx

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 02-Oct-13 08:09:42

Penguin I would speak to the EPAU direct. Mine told me they would want to see me next time after my ectopic. An early scan was a given. The odds of ectopic again are slightly raised so they need to be sure.

fod27 Wed 02-Oct-13 08:24:51

I've heard of women that have claimed to have both cramping and bleeding and been seen for a scan

CbeebiesIsMyLife Wed 02-Oct-13 08:28:08

Morning all.

Good luck miss today hope your scan goes well

Penguin I've heard of women claiming bleeding and cramping too, but I'm not sure I could lie like that. Can you speak direct to the EPAU, they're usually quite good and can fit you in

SnotMyProblem Wed 02-Oct-13 08:58:24

Hello Cbeebies - I was thinking about you and hope today brings good things.

Yay Blackholes for the good scan!

Saggy, I'm sorry that you're not getting as much support from home. I'm sure when your MIL finally meets baby Saggy, she's going to love him/her! The heart thing sounds scary, but it's reassuring that the doctor didn't seem overly worried. It's like being on a plane when there's turbulence - I look at the cabin crew and see if they looking concerned, and if they're not, I figure it must be OK!

ThePFJ Wed 02-Oct-13 09:04:11

Morning girls!! Still pregnant today... I am now well over the latest mark of my mc's... if that makes sense... It's making me nervous but happy.

It is RAINING CATS, DOGS and HAMSTERS here this morning. We didn't walk to school, we swam! xxxx

JanieLovesLuckySocks Wed 02-Oct-13 09:06:06

Congrats on the great scans yesterday

Saggy you had quite the day. You're right, it's a total generation attitude though, maybe when you have your counselling it might be easier to explain to your mil about the road ahead and how incredibly different it will be to her experiences. Sometimes the older generation are 'know it alls' and their opinions are totally outdated and quite uneducated x

Cbeebies hope your bleeding has eased, let us know how you get on today.

I'm off for an active birth workshop this morning at the mlu in the hospital. Shell ours is quite fancy too so I'm looking forward to seeing all the facilities. I think this is going to make everything seem even more real eek! I have to go alone though, wish dh could come

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 02-Oct-13 09:35:41

Snot thats a great analogy! im goinf to steal that!grin

Pixielady83 Wed 02-Oct-13 09:36:55

yay blackberry so pleased you had a good scan! smile

saggy hope you get on ok today and make contact with some nice people.

cbeebies hope things are better today are you at epu?

janie and shell very envious of your super fancy birth centres! although my hospital have redecorated the one and only birth pool room to make it look a bit less 80s (the old birth pool had beige patterned tiles on it! confused )

Lazy day with DD today grin watched a bit of peppa then she said 'mummy shall we watch your cake programme now' bless smile just as well as I missed it due to her bedtime reluctance last night

andadietcoke Wed 02-Oct-13 11:31:15

Hi everyone...

Mum's here, so one baby asleep on one arm, and one hand to type...

Saggy sounds like you've been on a roller coaster lady. Second what everyone else has said - your baby will be a fighter, just like their mum, and your trip to Holland together will be awesome. How are your other DCs?

Snot TWINS!!!!! If you need anything just ask. Congratulations x

Good to see so many good scan results. Can't believe it's October already - new thread babies soon grin

GuffSmuggler Wed 02-Oct-13 11:35:07

penguin my GP referred me for an early scan, luckily she was very sympathetic when I said how anxious I was. If you've got a good GP you could try that route?

IBelieveInPink Wed 02-Oct-13 11:55:50

Ooh Janie let us know what you learn in that! Sound interesting! We covered 'labour' in nct last night. DH turned a little green. Uh oh.

Diet - so lovely to hear from you - how are you getting on?

So - ladies who have had babies before. Talk to me about signs of labour. Is there any clues a few days before? Or is it just- bam - labour? Can't believe I've got to the stage where have to start considering this!!

CbeebiesIsMyLife Wed 02-Oct-13 12:08:23

I am so beyond shocked. I really thought yesterday was the start of the end of this pregnancy for me. There wasb a healthy happy little baby on the screen today with a strong heart beat. I cant believe I'm still pregnant. Was dated as 8 weeks exactly. so so so relieved.

Tomkat79 Wed 02-Oct-13 12:27:41

beebies what awesome news. So so happy for you xxx

SnotMyProblem Wed 02-Oct-13 12:27:44

Yay Yay Yay!

So glad you've had good news Cbeebies!

Pixielady83 Wed 02-Oct-13 13:08:54

beebies hooray, what a massive relief! smile so pleased for you.

ibip I had no signs of labour until my waters went. Contractions then started 2hrs later. I had been sat around chatting to a friend that afternoon and told her I was completely convinced I would go way overdue. She was quite surprised to wake the next morning to news of baby after leaving me at 5pm the day before completely fine!

GuffSmuggler Wed 02-Oct-13 13:48:20

Great news cbeebies grin

Lovely to hear from you anda, it must be a lovely, crazy, manic ride with twins!

IBelieveInPink Wed 02-Oct-13 14:31:39

Cbeebies - brilliant news, so pleased smile

Pixie wow that's impressive, I want one like that! Was that on time then?

katatonic Wed 02-Oct-13 14:52:15

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GardenWorm Wed 02-Oct-13 14:58:15

cbeebs YEY!

Hi Anda x

Pink 2 things one your waters may trickle (initially thought I'd leaked wee but knew I hadn't!) not gush and also make sure you do a test run for the route to second nearest hospital...we didn't. Doh! It wasn't a BAM I'm I'm labour for me in fact at first I wasn't sure so when they told me at hospital I wasn't I believed them (not my gut instinct)

We've got our trip to MLU tonight, will see what they have to say about my many concerns...!

CbeebiesIsMyLife Wed 02-Oct-13 14:59:18

thanks every one. hopefully miss is also getting good news, I havent seen her around recently

katatonic Wed 02-Oct-13 15:07:09

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Pixielady83 Wed 02-Oct-13 16:13:25

ibip it was a week and a day early! I was shock and grin Less so once we got to the hospital and were told that she was breech angry that's probably why my waters went so definitively because there was no head blocking the way out! they literally did not stop flowing until I went into surgery 8 hours after they started. One of my friends who had a normal head down baby did hear a 'pop' when hers went which was quite cool! Apparently it is pretty unusual for labour to start with waters going though.

TheNobodies Wed 02-Oct-13 16:38:41

A massive congratulations to all the good scans! Cbeebies, great news for you... your babies obviously trying yo worry you!

I had my last scan today until 12 weeks my baby has grown and has a healthy heart, im 7 weeks 3 days smile. Midwife appointment saturday, not looking forward to goig through my past losses amd sorting out all my consultant appointments!

Is everyone still feeling pregnant? My urine infection and thrush has gone finally, just feeling weak and faint now!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 02-Oct-13 17:20:14

<<waves to Anda>>
penguin have you managed to arrange a scan yet?
Well done on all of the positive scans. Keep up the good behaviour! grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 02-Oct-13 17:21:36

I think I might be having a food baby!
Ive been to Ikea today and had meatballs. I left home with my normal -- lumpy-- tummy and returned looking about 6 months gone! confused

MissMedusa Wed 02-Oct-13 19:32:33

Congratulations on the great scans cbeebies and nobodies that feeling of relief when you see the heart beating on the screen is unbeatable!

I had a good scan today too. Good heartbeat and baby is measuring 1.06cm at 7+1 which I think is just about right. Every day we get closer to the 12 week mark and every day the chances of mc get smaller. Today's scan also puts this baby at further along than any of my previous ones so it's a bit of a milestone as well.

I might even be brave enough to add myself to the list!

MissMedusa Wed 02-Oct-13 19:32:46

Stats 1 October: Today we are pregnant

Pentagon: 1 DD, 2MMCs, EDD 31 October
BumpKitty: 1MC, 1DD, EDD 9 Nov
Shellshock7: 2MC 1DS EDD 12 Nov
Bodicea: 0DC, 2MC, EDD 16 Nov.
Ibelieveinpink: 2mc, EDD 16 Nov
GardenWorm: 1DC, 2MC, EDD 19th November,
Janielovesluckysocks: 1MC, 0DC, EDD 23rd Nov,
Lucky13: 1DS, 1 chemical, 2MC, EDD 23rd Nov
Vixjane: 2 MC, EDD 24 Nov,
Vocalista86: 1 MMC, EDD 30 November.
Jmf294: 1 DS, 1DD, 1 MC, EDD 10th Dec
ChocolateCremeEggbag: 1DS, 1MC, EDD 16 Dec
DIYandEatCake: 1dd, 1mc, EDD ?16 dec
Booty: 1chemical EDD 19 Dec
Blackholes: 2 MC, 2 DC, EDD 25 December
WillSantaComeAgain: 1DC, 2MMC, EDD 29Dec
pumpkinsweetie mc1, EDD 03 Jan
Christinedaae - 1DD, 1MC, EDD 25th Jan, anomaly scan 6th Sept
Lieslvontrapp: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 10 Feb, anomaly scan 26/09
TotalShock 0DC, 1MMC, EDD 1 March
Pixielady83 1DD, 1MMC, EDD 3 March
GuffSmuggler: 1DS, 1MCC, EDD 4 March
Rock: 1DS, 1MMC, EDD 4 March
Swangirl:1DD,2DS,1MC EDD 8 March 2014 anomaly scan 24 oct
Motorcyclemama: 1MMC, EDD 17 March
SaggyOldClothPussCat: 1MC, 1DD, 1DS, EDD 18 March
Omri: 1DS, 1MMS, EDD 24 March
Fod27: 1DD 1DS 1MMC EDD 26th March 2014
RainbowConnections: 1DS, 2MC, EDD 1 April
Birdsdoit: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 6 April
Blackberryand Nettle: 1MMC, EDD 10th April
TeaAndANatter: DS, DD, 1MMC, 20th April (ish)
Kjh5: 0DC, 1MC, EDD 21 April 2014
PoppySeedBun: 0DC, 1 MMC, EDD 22 April 2014
ImpatientlyWaiting: 0DC, 1MC, EDD 1 May 2014
MarthasHarbour: 1DS, 2MCs, EDD 7 May 2014
Tomkat: EDD 9 May 2014
ThePFJ: 1DS 7MC 1 Ectopic, EDD 12th May 2014
CbeebiesIsMyLife: 2DD's 6MC EDD 15th May
MissMedusa: 0DC, 2MC, EDD 20th May 2014
New arrivals

Jessw25 Baby Oliver born 9 July 2013 5lb 11oz
GaryBuseysTeeth Baby Alexander born 30 July 2013 7lb 4oz
Andadietcoke twin girls born 29 August Charlotte 5lb 5oz & Sophie 7lb 13oz

CbeebiesIsMyLife Wed 02-Oct-13 19:36:33

grin miss glad your scan went well too.

fod27 Wed 02-Oct-13 19:57:12

Yayyyy beebies
ibip mine started with a dull ache in the back and progressively got worse over time until labour hit

BirdsDoIt Wed 02-Oct-13 19:58:17

Crazily busy with work at the moment but just wanted to stick my head round the door to say YAY to all the good scan news, kat, blackberry, cbeebies, and miss - lots of milestones passing!

And saggy I just think you're amazing. X

BirdsDoIt Wed 02-Oct-13 20:00:55

Ps saggy I also get a 6 month food baby bump whenever I eat anything remotely meal sized. Went out for a smart work dinner and the buttons on my dress actually kept popping open whenever I breathed in too much which was really embarrassing. I am 13 weeks!! So the size of my food baby belly is plain ridiculous!

BirdsDoIt Wed 02-Oct-13 20:02:25

kat are you brave enough to put yourself on the list now?? What edd did they give you at the scan?

Penguinita Wed 02-Oct-13 20:06:05

Good things do come in threes! Three happy news scans in one day, congrats cbeebies, nobodies and medusa.

saggy I'll find out whether I can get a scan on Friday morning. But I like the previous suggestion to contact the EPU directly if I don't have any joy with the midwife. They generally only take referrals but it can't hurt (and I have their direct line now after all my previous visits - every cloud...)

BirdsDoIt Wed 02-Oct-13 20:10:23

Oh and congrats nobodies too - didn't mean to miss you off!

Yes penguinita our epu actually told me I could come back for early reassurance scan (at 8 weeks) with second pg after my mmc with first - regardless of whether I had cramps/bleeding or not. So definitely try and self-refer or see if they do drop-in appts which is what our local epu have every weekday.

shellsocks Wed 02-Oct-13 20:42:41

Congrats cbeebies, nobodies and missm grin what a good scan day!

pink my labour started while I was having my tea and it was straight into regular contractions....I was so glad it was tea time as I didn't eat again for a few days! smile

GardenWorm Wed 02-Oct-13 20:50:25

Congrats Nobodies and Medusa grin

Grrrr. I'm angry! So DP did not leave work early enough to get back and to MLU tour in good time for 7pm start. Full of crap excuses (I work in the same place so know he could have sorted it) Then to top it (as he could have got there 10mins late) he got the wrong train which meant he would get there 5 mins before the end so I had to go on my own. The whole reason we were going was because he is totally anti MLU whereas I'm undecided and it would mean we could make an informed decision. It's ended up with me going on my own and him in a shitty with me (?) because I have tried to turn it into another reason for me to have a go. I did point out that I think most people in my shoes would feel annoyed. But no it's just me being horrible to him. Just needed to get that off my chest. Arse. Oh and I can't tell him what I really think as my mum and dad are staying....and now I feel bad for them as we clearly want to kill each other and as they are staying we are on an air bed which needed an air top up before DD went to bed as its on her bedroom floor but he didn't think to do that so I've now got a shit nights sleep to look forward to on top!

I'll get over myself shortly grin

fod27 Wed 02-Oct-13 21:10:42

Wow!!! And.... Breathe.... Garden I too would be pissed but there nothing worse than having family there.... Really awkward for everyone I'm guessing, my DH is giving up smoking and has ended up being more of a hormonal bitch than any pregnant woman I've ever known! I've know informed him to communicate via notes or I will stab him in the eye with a bastard fork hahaaa

Tomkat79 Wed 02-Oct-13 21:12:00

Excellent news on all the scans! Had my booking in apt today, she was nice :-)

Good to rant garden. Sounds like he's being a bit of a wally to me. What did you think of the MLU? X

JanieLovesLuckySocks Wed 02-Oct-13 22:05:09

oh garden i feel your pain sad you have every right to be angry. i think something i've realised after the support on this thread, is that men don't think. they don't see super important things that we see. if i was you i'd get into bed with your DD (if she has a proper bed...can't remember what age she is). so bloody awkward when your parents are there, it's so hard to try to hide tension.

great scan news today girls! brilliant!

hi anda hope you and the girlies are doing well!! are you on a post grad thread now? be sure to let us know as would be great to sty in touch come oct / nov for us all!

so 2 interesting workshops for me today. firsty, on my own...the mlu at the hospital. was really interesting. the midwives showing us everything were great. even told us that when the big day comes, we are welcome to get jiggy in the birthing room if we wanted to! sure it's those hormones that got s here in the first place!! and apparently good hormones make for a better labour ;) also, they told us that our prep in the run up is as important as our attitude on the day. so girls....do lots of side to side figure of 8's with your pelvis anytime you can...be it on a gym ball or standing or cooking your tea. also, to get baby into the optimum position, all fours is crucial. do it either just on the floor, with your elbows on the gym ball, or in the pool, just let your uterus be under you...whether you're swimming or just holding onto the edge and facing downwards. when in labour, keep doing the figure of 8s with your hips and pelvis....as this will make everything better. they're big into promoting natural birth and you can't figure of 8 if you have an epidural.

second class of the day was tonight - a hypnobirthing info session. i made dh come with me and i'm glad he did as he knew nothing about it (i've read the book). was interesting and she ran through what they would do in the classes...however the classes are £300 per couple for 4 sessions. bit much for us sadly. but glad that dh now has an insight into what it's all about.

BumpKitty Wed 02-Oct-13 22:05:30

Ace scan news cbeebies, medusa and nobodies grin bet you're all on cloud nine.

ibip no signs here till my waters went (40+5 weeks). Not so much as a Braxton Hicks!

garden rant away, i'd be cross too. make him go on another tour on his own. And yes - what was it like? I wish I had an MLU (I sound like my 2 year old there - 'wish I had a barbie').

hi anda smile

Right so at yoga tonight there was talk of a lady who had her baby at the weekend, at 37 weeks and he was 8lbs 4oz! Made me think maybe I should pack a hospital bag sometime soon!

GardenWorm Wed 02-Oct-13 22:13:50

Ha Ha Fod - pmsl!

Over it now, we managed a 'discussion' on the landing where I basically told him he was being a twat and all he had to do was apologise when I came through the door instead of have a go at me. He agreed. Done. (and we even managed to remove sleeping DD from the bedroom so air bed reinflated plus put on a show of solidarity rather than hatred for mum and dad)

The MLU was like a flippin travel lodge! Double beds, water births always an option, no restrictions on visiting times as long as you respect any other residents. I think I'll go for there. Midwife reassured that most probs with babies arise as a result of a difficult delivery (as opposed to having a normal one and there is suddenly a problem) and that they would have got you over to the hospital way before that happened (although it is still 25 mins away...). I had to have the hormone drip last time and think that contributed to retained placenta, they can't do it in MLU so try acupressure and homeopathy to boost the hormones if labour is slowing which I'd much prefer. Now just the minor issue of what to do with DD...she would just try and get in the birthing pool with me!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 02-Oct-13 22:25:22

I am very jealous of the MLU talk. I can kiss my nice quiet waterbirth goodbye! sad
Garden nothing will ever induce me to sleep on an air bed! Bouncy, squeaky slowly deflating hell! confused
Penguinita definitely just go straight to the EPU. A previous ectopic is prime criteria for an early scan.

IBelieveInPink Wed 02-Oct-13 22:56:50

Ooh. I am intrigued by all of this chat of mlu. Unfortunately me and DH are too scared to be anywhere other than right next to the resuscitation stuff etc. it would make us (especially him) more uncomfortable being far away from that.

And thank you for the labour feedback. Sounds like all very different and no way of predicting! Damn! There goes my 'complete control!'

andadietcoke Wed 02-Oct-13 22:58:28

It's exhausting. I'm a bit type a and am struggling to delegate/trust other people, plus I'm doing all the night feeds as I feel so bad that DH has to go to work knackered if I wake him up (he can sleep through their screaming!). I've buckled today and bought the Gina Ford twin book even though I swore I wouldn't. Will take it with a pinch of salt I think, but we need some kind of routine

janie no post grads thread yet. However, my September thread have been great - so if you haven't already, join the relevant groups on MN - we have a Facebook group which is great for sharing photos, and also easier to keep track of in the middle of the night! When there are some more grads from this thread we'll set a thread up - at the moment it would just be me and gary rattling round!!

andadietcoke Wed 02-Oct-13 23:01:30
shellsocks Wed 02-Oct-13 23:43:39

anda I totally missed your post before, good to hear from you and thanks for the piccys....very cute! Good luck finding a routine, it will all click in to place soon enough smile

pink I totally forgot confused that I was in slow labour on and off for a few days before real labour kicked off so ignore my last post must be in denial

My MLU is attached to hospital so I walked to the new room last time when I needed to transfer, very lucky smile

Pentagon Wed 02-Oct-13 23:47:24

oh my goodness anda your girls are gorgeous! They've grown so much in 2 weeks, obviously you're doing a great job! Lovely to hear from you, as always! Yes, we should definitely set up a post-grad thread when the next lot graduates in November! I hope the Gina Ford book helps, I know a lot of people who find her books useful but take them with a pinch of salt.

Sorry for the delayed response to the latest news - I haven't had the chance to read the thread for a couple of days, it's my last week at work and have been super busy. Plus DD has an ear infection and was up for half the night on Monday as was I... felt like a zombie yesterday and today but she's a lot better thankfully


awesome scan news kat, blackberry, cbeebies, nobodies and miss - so happy for you all!

saggy you are copying with everything amazingly well, you have my full respect and admiration! Glad to hear they can operate on the baby after a few months and with such a great success rate. Sorry your MIL has been unsupportive, some people are really narrow-minded and if you don't want to deal with her at the moment that's fair enough. I hope your DP is standing by you.

janie & shell your MLUs sound amazing, I'm so jealous! janie, I am getting excited but also terrified, I thought it would be different the second time round but no...I'm as bad as I was last time. Any news on your cat?

ibip I woke up in early hours of the morning (at 41w 2d) with period pains/mild contractions; and I knew that was it and things were starting to happen even though my waters broke 48 hours later and I gave birth 18 hours after that; but my labour was a bit complicated so I won't bore you with the details

garden glad you've sorted out things with DP, I hate tensions; and fod your post about your DH made me laugh grin

DIYandEatCake Thu 03-Oct-13 02:38:58

Hi again everyone, sorry I've not been on here much lately, things have been busy and I keep losing track of the thread and not being able to keep up. Was just thinking that the next lot of arrivals are coming up soon though and wanted to see how everyone is. anda your girls are gorgeous!
All ok here, 30 weeks now, it's going so fast now, funny as every day seemed like an eternity in the beginning.
Anyway better try and get to sleep again (damn you restless legs!). Will try and catch up a bit again over the next few days.

GardenWorm Thu 03-Oct-13 06:17:30

OMG Anda: Bootiful (In my bestest Wiz Cuntry accent). I can understand how knackered you must be. Seriously though I would consider getting your other half to chip in with a night feed, it will make such a difference for you and I promise going into work is bliss when you have a baby as its the only time you get to rest, it doesn't matter if you've been up in the night! Don't feel guilty about waking him, better that he gets one feed a night than you get exhausted and he ends up having to do all the night feeds x

Pink I felt that way about MLU's too but went on the tour and realised I really like the fact that they dont instantly strap you up to a machine etc With DD I ended up having to stay on my back in the bed due to the constant monitoring. It was difficult to push her out in that position (even more so in stirrups) and I want to avoid the hormone drip/retained placenta post birth epidural palava that I had last time. I am worried but felt reassured that they would pack you off to hospital long before it became an emergency. Also the ambulance response is down as Immediate (i.e highest priority) and DP would hi jack one and drive there himself if he had to! I'd say go and have a look if there's one nearby, you don't have to commit to going there and can decide on the day but with ours they need you to have done a risk assessment at 34 wks, plus they do another over the phone assessment before they admit you to make sure it's suitable xxx

Pixielady83 Thu 03-Oct-13 07:41:35

anda your girls are gorgeous! it sounds like very hard work hats off to you. I found the newborn bit with one a complete nightmare haze of sleep deprivation so can't imagine doing that two fold. People told me things would fall into place routine wise at 6 wks, they didn't, but by 12wks we found things a lot more predictable. Getting some ideas on routine is a great idea, I think GF has some good points if you are selective and don't adopt it as a doctrine. baby whisperer might have some tips too, I found her book quite sensible.

Am I the only one that is naively shock at the mws suggesting getting jiggy in the mlu! when we were in hospital people kept wandering in and out all the time even though it said please knock, imagine if that happened in that situation! told DH as I was giggling and his response was 'no. just no' grin

BirdsDoIt Thu 03-Oct-13 07:52:01

anda your girls are beautiful!

And no pixie you are not alone. Can't think of anything less likely to happen - DH would definitely not be up for DTD at birthing centre!!!

shellsocks Thu 03-Oct-13 08:41:59

DTD whilst pregnant in labour shockconfusedblush no chance!

Bodicea Thu 03-Oct-13 09:11:44

Hi everyone, Sorry not been around for a bit. Keep losing track of thread it moves so fast.

anda your girls are soo yummy. they really are lovely. But yeah definately should get fela doing a night feed. Gosh you must be knackered.

what is this about dtd in labour?!? as if!!!!!

Are you def going for MLU garden? I do like the idea of them in some ways but too paranoid about things going wrong in a second. Particularly have a thing about shoulder distocia as have big baby and know that needs instant attention. Still my unit is quite small and friendly anyway so think I get best of both worlds. Going on a tour with another pregnant friend next week - yes i haven't been anywhere near the wards despite my job.

So today is my first day of mat leave. Hurrah!!! Got loads of meet ups planned with friends with kids and meeting up with some of the girls from NCT class. Also planning on swimming a couple of times a week as well as keeping up my yoga and joining aquanatal class. BLISS. I want to be super fit and ready for labour Found the last couple of weeks tough at work and was too tired in evenings to do any form of excercise. And now not sleeping well. Was awake half the night last night. Aaargh. Also started sleeping in separate beds as keeping DH up - no point us both being knackered - come in for snuggle in morning before he goes to work though. Praying this baby isn't late.
Work was lovely -they got me an angelcare baby monitor and a voucher for a photographer for newborn baby photos. kind of sad in a way.
Anyway off to the dentists in a bit - got to make most of freebies!!

Tomkat79 Thu 03-Oct-13 09:14:47

Darlin there's approx 30 seconds before my next contraction...just slip me a quick one!! Mind you, my poor DH will be so sex starved by then he'd manage it in half that time haha shock

Pentagon Thu 03-Oct-13 09:29:40

ahahaha! yes, dtd while in labour doesn't sound very appealing - and midwives walk in and out all the time...how would that work?!?!

bod first day of maternity leave - yay! Mine is Monday but I have lots of cleaning and tidying up to do at home so not feeling very excited at the moment. I hope my nesting instinct kicks in soon! I remember not sleeping very well towards the end last time (apparently, nature's way of preparing you for the baby's arrival) - it hasn't happened yet though

saggy I meant to write "coping" not "copying" in my post last night - DOOOOOH!

MissMedusa Thu 03-Oct-13 09:44:18

wowanda your girls are amazing!

IBelieveInPink Thu 03-Oct-13 09:50:51

Dtd in labour was mentioned at my nct the other day. The look of horror was clear on mine and DH faces - especially when she said it could be in the time after you are dialated?! Forgive me for being naïve but wouldn't you poke the baby?! Wrong!

Bod - lovely to hear from you been wondering how you doing. Jealous of mat leave! I'm not going on leave for another 4 and half weeks! Although my job is just sitting - still jealous of that lovely time off. smile

I also have a massive fear of shoulder dissocia. I don't know why that is the bit I have fixated on, but it is the thing that scares me most? Guess just need to wait and hope for best!

shellsocks Thu 03-Oct-13 10:42:14

That was my fear last time too bod and pink as I was so big and DS was predicted big...when they said it was off to theatre for forceps or CS I freaked a bit and asked for CS as I was so scared of SD but they said then and at the debrief that it is very rare and DS was delivered by forceps smile It's funny how you fixate on something but try not to worry abt it the odds are really in your favour, I blame OBEM wink

TheNobodies Thu 03-Oct-13 11:06:35

MISS The feeling is defiantly unbeatable seeing a heartbeat! Your babies a good size, my Munchkin is 11.1mm at 7 weeks 3 days :-) so much good news, i tjink this year is the year for rainbow babies!

Bakingtins Thu 03-Oct-13 11:23:12

Hi ladies, can I wave a tentative hello? I left the bread in June after MC4 but have since had more investigations, been diagnosed with high NK cells and got a BFP first cycle. Am a bit freaked out to be back on the roller coaster so soon, not really mentally prepared yet. This time round I'm on progesterone, steroids and clexane, so DH can look forward to moody, snappy, insomniac wife covered in bruises. Hope it is worth it. I'm 5 weeks today and have first scan next week.

I recognise names from the TTC threads and this one previously, massive congrats to Anda on the birth of your girls.
Saggy I have good friends whose baby has DS and had heart surgery for what sounds like v similar problems. He's nearly one now and doing well. If you wanted to talk to them I'm sure I could put you in touch.

Bakingtins Thu 03-Oct-13 11:23:54

Left the thread obviously, won't let me correct it.

GuffSmuggler Thu 03-Oct-13 11:24:49

Great to hear all the good scan news coming in grin

anda what gorgeous pictures!

IBelieveInPink Thu 03-Oct-13 11:28:32

Aww baking - hiiiiiiiii! <waves manically> so chuffed to see you back here smile congratulations!

shellsocks Thu 03-Oct-13 12:00:08

baking your post just brought a tear to my eye, so pleased to see you back and can only imagine how you are feeling. Wishing you a total stress free pregnancy smile xxx

Tomkat79 Thu 03-Oct-13 12:00:19

Congratulations baking so pleased to see you here. You were a fantastic support to me back in May when I MC so hope I can hold your hand on this tentative new journey x

TeaAndANatter Thu 03-Oct-13 12:29:24

Great scan news, all the scanners! Particularly happy cbeebies bleed stopped.

Hi newbies/returners!

Glad you're feeling you have good RL support, Saggy. Am on standby to 'take care' of your mother whenever you give me the nod grin

Love the aggression, garden and fod, made me howl.

Pixielady83 Thu 03-Oct-13 13:11:56

Congratulations baking really hope things go smoothly from here in for you.

Forgot to say earlier, yay for good scans celebratory cake all round!

Slightly sadder note, realised just now that today is the anniversary of our friend's little girl who was still born. We've heard this week that another family we know has also recently had a still born baby so it's on my mind today and I just want to encourage everyone to count their kicks. This website is quite good Count the Kicks and they have a count the kicks bracelet which is very simple but reminds you of how much movement to expect from your baby each day. I'm going to get one for me and my pregnant friend. Hope I haven't caused any anxiety by posting about this but wanted to do something positive by reminding/raising awareness. Hope that's ok xxx

smile Oh wow bakingtins a big congratulations to youthanks!!!

Anda lovely pictures, your girls are beautiessmile

saggy So sorry to hear your mil is suck a dick, ignore her and even ignore her forever if you want to. People like her obviously live in the dark ages! You are holding it together superbly and i hope all goes well with your scan xx

I'm 27 weeks this Sunday, so happy to have made it this farsmile

katatonic Thu 03-Oct-13 13:25:22

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SnotMyProblem Thu 03-Oct-13 13:30:21

Anda, what beautiful girls you have! Thanks for the offer of help. I'm still trying to work out what questions to ask - there are so many! I hope also you're getting on OK. I'd get all the help you can, especially at night!

Pixie thank you for posting that link, and I'm so, so sorry to hear about your friends.

Baking, hello, and congratulations. I hope everything is lovely and smooth and boring for you.

Also: DTD in labour? No. Just no. I think if DH had tried it well (a) he wouldn't have anyway - I think he would have the same opinion as me on that and (b) if he did, I think bad things would have happened to him at my hands. Bad, bad things.

I had my booking-in appointment today. The midwife was lovely, which made me happier. I just hate the constant paranoia when every little thing is something to worry about. I keep seeing single magpies and frantically saluting. It'll be sacrificing chickens and reading the entrails next, except that the supermarket only do the one without giblets. Maybe a chicken kiev instead? I can just see myself trying to divine the future of my unborn infants through the thickness of the breadcrumb layer, and the amount of garlic butter that's leaked onto the baking tray.

GaryBuseysTeeth Thu 03-Oct-13 13:35:06

Omfg! Bakings, I'm going to do a little <pompom shake>, really hope this is it for you. Put a proper smile on my face, you're such a lovely supportive member of MN.

Anda, gorgeous girls!

Dropped off here, cannit believe how far along some of you are already!
Alexander is 2 months old now & lovely (he's grown into his massive nose, but still has his dads big ol ears, poor thing).

Bodicea Thu 03-Oct-13 13:36:53

baking tins congratulations. so lovely to see a swift return.
I am on clexane and my tips are the lower the better close to the hip. doesnt seem to hurt as much going in. And flick the little bubble away at end of needle as it will sting more goin in if it is there. Inject slowly. And as you get bigger watch for veins they all seem to come to surface. I actually rarely bruise now just get little purple dots everywhere. I hated leg and have stuck to tummy all through but some people prefer leg. It does get easier honestly. I have called husband every name under sun. We alternate now in who injects.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 03-Oct-13 13:40:46

I am SO pleased to see you back here! Congratulations! grin smile grin smile grin smile grin smile
thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks

GuffSmuggler Thu 03-Oct-13 13:43:44

Yay baking!!! What a rollercoaster you've been on, we're all willing this one to stick! grin

Bakingtins Thu 03-Oct-13 14:15:01

Thanks everyone. Nice to have some people who are pleased smile rather than hmm Very mixed feelings myself being back in the firing line, but you've got to be in it to win it, right? We've had a completely shit year, our luck has to change sometime. I'm a bit worried that I will miscarry in the middle of my DS1's Harry Potter party at the end of the month, but will just have to take each day as it comes ( and make sure the party is prepped to within an inch of it's life)

Bakingtins Thu 03-Oct-13 14:16:00

Gary missed that you have had your baby. Kisses to lovely Alex! flowers

GardenWorm Thu 03-Oct-13 14:51:42

TINS! Awesome that you were diagnosed so quickly and are back here. Massive massive congratulations to the Tins family. I hope you have the dullest pregnancy ever xxx grin

Pentagon Thu 03-Oct-13 14:59:09

baking it's so nice to see you back on this thread! Congratulations on your BFP! I can understand the mixed feelings but remember you've lost a couple of battles, not the war (that's what I kept telling myself after my second MMC); and if you really want something, you have to persevere... I'm glad you've had some answers and are on on progesterone, steroids and clexane - fingers crossed everything goes smoothly this time!

gary it's great to hear from you! I can't believe Alexander is 2 months old already!

pixie I'm really sorry to hear about your friend's sad anniversary and thank you for reminding us about Count The Kicks.