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6-7 weeks pregnant, but foetus can't be found! Ectopic? Or something else?

(83 Posts)
ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 15:34:34

I posted on here the other day as I was having some brown discharge. I believe that based on the date of my last period I am between 6 and 7 weeks. I haven't had any pain, just a bit of medium/dark brown discharge on my liner every day (which based on everyone's responses seems to be something relatively common).

I was given an ultrasound today but nothing was found. They did an internal and NOTHING was there - no sac, nothing. They said that I have not had nearly enough bleeding to have miscarried (I haven't had red blood or passed any tissue or had any pain). I still have pregnancy symptoms such as tiredness and nausea. They did a test and it was a strong positive (but I know the hormones would still be in my system anyway). I think it's extremely unlikely that I am less pregnant than I think (which would explain why nothing can be seen). My LMP started on 10 July and I had a positive test a week ago.

Surely if the foetus had died there would be an empty sac or something there?! They are worried that my pregnancy is ectopic so they are doing blood tests over the next few days to monitor my hormone levels to see if they're increasing. I am waiting for them to call me with today's blood test results - if they're high then I need to go back to hospital straight away.

I can't believe this is happened to me. Does anyone have any thoughts or any experience of this? I was reluctant to post this on the pregnancy forum as technically I am still pregnant :-( xxx

monikar Tue 27-Aug-13 15:49:46

Oh dear lady I really am so very sorry to read this. I don't know what to say - I have a good friend who had an ectopic pregnancy but all her pregnancy tests were negative and they didn't think she was pregnant.

Hopefully someone with more knowledge will be able to offer you more helpful advice soon. In the meantime I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

flowers

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 16:02:26

Thank you monikar

I really don't know how to feel at the moment. Whatever the result, it seems very unlikely I'm going to have a continuing pregnancy xxx

Londongirl84 Tue 27-Aug-13 16:08:11

I have nothing helpful to say but really want to wish you luck and best wishes x

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 16:11:59

Thank you londongirl84 xxx

Potcallingkettle Tue 27-Aug-13 16:14:01

Ask for the exact levels of your hormones to be checked. It is unlikely but you may have gestational trophoblastic disease. Whatever you have, keep pestering the professionals until you get an answer. Better to find out sooner than later. Take care of yourself!

TeaAndANatter Tue 27-Aug-13 16:16:28

Hi there,

I had that experience, and was found to be miscarrying - no sac was found on the scan (I was being investigated for ectopic due to pain), so they did my HCG over two days, which were low for dates, then dropped, then I bled. I hope that maybe your dates are wrong perhaps, or you had a duff scan, and will cross everything for you x

JohFlow Tue 27-Aug-13 16:17:51

Every sympathy for you OP. It must be very difficult waiting. Have you been given any care advice to follow in the meantime?

I hope that they find a test that gets you results soon. It's good that they are testing you for hormonal anomalies.

Testing around hormones and pregnancy can be very complex so sometimes the answers aren't there straight away.

All you can do is keep 'jogging' people on to give you answers.

I have all my bits crossed for you grin

DaleyBump Tue 27-Aug-13 16:26:53

Are you 100% sure of your dates? A friend of mine had a scan at what she thought was 6 weeks and they found nothing - told her it could be ectopic (or something, sorry if you're reading this and I've got it wrong!). Her HCG levels were also very low. Turns out, she was only 4 weeks instead of 6, so when she went back in two weeks for another scan she saw her little bean in her belly smile

Keeping absolutely everything crossed for you flowers

MrsJohnDeere Tue 27-Aug-13 16:26:54

My first thought was molar pregnancy (tiny % of which become gestational trophoblast disease). If so you would have hormone levels far higher than in a 'normal' pregnancy. I continued to get positive results on pregnancy tests for 5 months after miscarrying a molar pregnancy (but that's the exception rather than the norm).

Sorry you are going through this.

Writerwannabe83 Tue 27-Aug-13 16:28:01

Hi ladylashes

I'm sorry you didn't get more positive news - it all sounds very confusing and you must feel in completely limbo. I will be following your posts and hoping that things turn out to be ok x x

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 16:45:16

Hi everyone, thank you for your comments and kind wishes - sorry for not responding individually xxx

DaleyBump my cycles are irregular and this was the only month I didn't do the ovulation testing (ironically the only reason I stopped doing it was that I thought it was putting too much stress on the conception!). My cycles have ranged between 32 and 39 days, but I guess I would have needed to have ovulated very late for this to be an early pregnancy. My head is so muddled I don't have the wherewithal to calculate it myself! If the mental fog clears I will try xxx

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 17:06:51

Just had my hcg result - 1585. At that level they really should have seen something in the scan. My only hope is that the dates are severely messed up and so it's a very early pregnancy - see the corresponding hcg levels on this chart:

http://www.babymed.com/hcg-level-in-early-pregnancy

Waiting for the hospital to confirm whether they want me to go for an emergency scan tonight :-( xxx

Writerwannabe83 Tue 27-Aug-13 17:35:19

Wow, you'd definitely think something would be there with that reading.

In what way will the emergency scan be different to the scan you have already had? Is it more advanced?

dirtyface Tue 27-Aug-13 17:39:48

oh no ladylashes i am sorry to hear this

saw your other thread

no advice i am afraid but sending virtual ((((hugs)))) and flowers

ZenGardener Tue 27-Aug-13 17:42:29

I had similar and it was an ectopic. They couldn't see the ectopic in the scan even though one tube looked slightly bigger. They said they can only really know when they did the surgery (endoscopic).

It wasn't so bad and we went on to have three kids (another in the oven).

I hope they can get some answers for you soon. It is good you know early and they are looking into it.

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 17:51:00

writerwannabe83 yeah I would have thought so. They said 'emergency scan' but I think it would have been the same thing, just done by (possibly) someone more experienced! Based on that chart I have hormone levels of 4weeks4days pregnant. I would have had to have ovulated on day 31 or something crazy like that - but I guess it's possible. The hospital called me back and said I def haven't miscarried, it's either ectopic or early.....now the waiting game continues! xxx

zengardener you've very helpfully just answered one of my burning questions - how do you truly know where the ectopic pregnancy is? I will just have to keep praying it's not one :-) xxx

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 17:51:43

dirtyface that's so sweet of you, thanks xxx

Writerwannabe83 Tue 27-Aug-13 17:52:39

So what is the next step then?? Do they want to re-scan you or are they just going to take a wait and watch approach??

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 17:57:07

writerwannabe83 they are doing another blood test on Thursday to make sure hcg is rising. If it is then they will do another scan but it still might be too early to see something (ectopic or viable pregnancy). I suspect I might need to wait until next week for something to be seen properly.

If the hcg doesn't rise....who knows?!

princesscupcakemummyb Tue 27-Aug-13 18:02:08

hi ladylashes sorry to hear of your worrying time i had this with dc2 they said i had prob miscarried or it was etopic they did my hcg bloods which where low but had doubled 48 hours later i had a scan followed up approx 10 days later to which their she was what im saying is i also went overdue by 1 week according to them i did not know when i ovulated with dc2 so they went by the LMP dates which are not very accurate point is their i had a healthy baby at the end your dates could be off thats why pregnancy is dated from 2 weeks either side sending my thoughts to you flowers

Cloudhoney Tue 27-Aug-13 18:02:23

So sorry for what you are going through. I would ask for a second scan in a week or so, if there is any question about dates. That is what my health authority does as a matter of course.

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 18:43:58

princesscupcakemummyb great story! Thanks :-) hope it will be the same story for me! xxx

cloudhoney yes, I fully intend on asking for one! :-) xxx

MummyJetsetter Tue 27-Aug-13 18:52:39

Hi ladylashes, I commented early in your last thread. So sorry you're going through this! My dates were 2 weeks off at my early scan, I don't know how because I had been ttc for 8 months and my cycle was regular so I knew the date of my lmp. So it is possible to ovulate at an odd time. I'll keep everything crossed for you that that's all it is! x

FizzyFeet Tue 27-Aug-13 19:07:01

Hello OP, sorry you are going through this. I've been in your shoes twice now. For me it was an ectopic both times. I'm sure the hospital have told you this but if you have any pain, bleeding, faintness, nausea or upset stomach please go to the hospital straight away. A ruptured ectopic is potentially very serious.

Keeping everything crossed that it works out for you. Having an ectopic is very very tough but you will come out the other side of it and it doesn't necessarily damage your future fertility as much as you might think.

The Ectopic Pregnancy Trust have useful info on their website about what to expect if it is ectopic.

Thinking of you flowers

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 19:35:16

Thank you Fizzyfeet and MummyJetsetter xxx

Holly94 Tue 27-Aug-13 20:17:41

Sorry to hear what you're going through ladylashes. I'm the friend that Daley mentioned earlier who had a suspected ectopic. I was sure that I must be 6 weeks pregnant and was convinced it was all over - on my first scan they found a solid mass on one of my ovaries that they possibly thought was the ectopic. Luckily it turned out to be a cyst, and I was just earlier on than I thought.
Hcg levels are different for everyone - it's not the level that matters so much but whether its doubling correctly IYSWIM. Everyone also has different pregnancies.
Good luck and keep us updated. So sorry as I know how awful the waiting game is sad flowers xx

Holly94 Tue 27-Aug-13 20:19:38

I also had free fluid in my pelvic area, and awful pain in one side. I had a lot of symptoms of an ectopic, including low hcg at first but I'm now almost 18 weeks pregnant. The doctor told me to prepare to lose the baby. I don't want to give you false hope but I just wanted to share my experience. Xx

tasmaniandevilchaser Tue 27-Aug-13 20:30:09

Ladylashes, hope you are feeling ok, it's a horrible limbo time, I hope you get good news. I had a similar experience last year, sadly it was an ectopic pg, but we went on to have DS so it can turn out in the end.

They can usually see a sac in the womb at HCG levels of between 1500-2000. They saw my EP with an hcg level of 1100 in my tube, I had surgery 4 days later. I didn't luckily have much pain but Like fizzyfeet said, if you have any pain, including shoulder tip pain, you must go in immediately.

It is very stressful but you will get through it, hopefully you will have a happy ending. If you get a chance, update us.

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 20:30:55

Hi holly94 yeah the waiting game is AWFUL - I just want to know, whatever the result is! Thanks for sharing your story with me, sounds like you must have gone through a really tough time. So glad it worked out for the best :-) xxx

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 20:34:01

Thanks tasmaniandevilchaser really glad you ended up with ds after your ectopic. The hospital was just as surprised as I was that they found nothing. Fingers crossed that due to a huge 'joke' from Mother Nature I am actually only 4.5 weeks along :-) xxx

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 20:34:30

And yes, I will update you xxx

Yonionekanobe Tue 27-Aug-13 20:35:06

Hi there - so sorry to hear your news. I had this and sadly it was an ectopic (left Fallopian tube). However, 3.5 years later I have a 2.5 year old and am expecting DD2. There is always hope even if this time the news is heartbreaking 💐

Conina Tue 27-Aug-13 20:41:41

Ladylashes I'm thinking of you. I've had three mc, including a mmc and I found the thinking that goes on in your head while you're waiting to be utterly exhausting and far worse than any of the physical stuff. I found myself wide eyed n terrified plotting every single permutation when I was hovering in limbo.

I really hope this turns out well flowers and brew

cupcake101 Tue 27-Aug-13 20:43:14

Hello Lashes,

I had a ectopic last year.

It was a horrible time, I had lots of home pregnancy test showing a faint possitive so went to the Dr who said his showed not preg.
I still felt preg and had missed a period by a week so I bought a clear blue digital one... It said I was pregnant so off I popped back to the Dr.

Anyway blood test after blood test after blood test (each one 2 days apart to see if they doubled) lead to a internal ultra sound.
The scan found a small something in my right tube and as my hormone levels increased yet never doubled they asked if I would take a injection to stop it growing and doing further damage to my tube.
Reluctantly I agreed and about a week later started to bleed for just a few days.
I hope your story has a better out come I just wanted to share a little of what happened to me when I had a ectopic pregnancy, I had no idea what was in store for me and I felt like a zombie for months after. It was a real shock and I cried a hell of a lot, one min I was pregnant the next I was told it would not ever progress and told to end it.
Sorry to depress anyone, just know I'm hear if you want to talk.

Sending my love and support xx

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 20:45:37

Thanks yonionekanobe :-) xxx

workingonitagain Tue 27-Aug-13 20:47:11

hi ladylashes, I had exactly the same where I went for an early scan as I had some cramps where according to my LMP should have been 5-6 weeks and they could see nothing at all in terms of any signs of the pregnancy so they took blood and it was around what yours is now. It didn't end well I was asked to go in for a scan every week from then on and while the pregnancy progressed, it was very slow. every 7 days it was only about a day or so difference on the scan and eventually when I should have been 11 weeks the baby looked like about 6 weeks gestation and they confirmed that no further progress so unfortunately it was a MMC for me.
i hope yours turns out to be a viable pregnancy! Good luck and have my fingers crossed for you xx

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 20:48:01

conina I'm so sorry to hear about all of your losses. I just hope that you can move on from this and recover both physically and mentally. Hugs xxx

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 20:50:33

Oh cupcake101 that must have been such a horrible experience. Thank you for love and support, means a lot. You may hear from me again when I need a shoulder to cry on xxx

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 20:53:40

Wow that sounds like such a similar story workingonitagain spooky! Thanks for sharing with me. I hope this is a different outcome. Have you managed to move on, and did you conceive again? If things are too raw you really don't need to answer xxx

cupcake101 Tue 27-Aug-13 20:58:36

I hope you good news soon, waiting is so painful xx

workingonitagain Tue 27-Aug-13 21:03:32

i had 2 healthy pregnancies before and now 29 weeks pregnant again conceived straight away so yes unfortunately it was just one of those things and i had to realise that MMC is just very common.

Good luck will follow your posts and hope it will be ok xxx

ladylashes Tue 27-Aug-13 21:09:54

That's fab workingonitagain so glad it worked out for you xxx

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 27-Aug-13 23:51:04

Firstly, my sympathy. I had similar in January. The worry was overwhelming. Once Id found out I was PG, the brown spotting started pretty much immediately. I had hCG tests, the levels were rising oddly at first, then fine. It continued for a couple of weeks then escalated to red blood. I was scanned, there was nothing in my uterus. They told me it was a PG of unknown location, probably ectopic. A scan a week later confirmed a MC and they found signs of a PG on my ovary.
I was very lucky really, this happened to a friend, her ovary ruptured and was removed. Thankfully, <<hollow laugh>> I MC and avoided surgery. It was without doubt the shittiest foulest 3 weeks of my life all in.
However, as plenty of others have said, there are lots of reasons, not all bad, and there is still hope.
I have everything crossed for you Lady. xx

Holly94 Wed 28-Aug-13 06:42:00

Hope you're well this morning lady and that you managed to get some sleep. Thinking of you xx flowers

TeaAndANatter Wed 28-Aug-13 08:54:18

Thinking of you, OP x

ladylashes Wed 28-Aug-13 10:57:22

Thank you holly94 and teaandanatter I'm feeling a bit more relaxed today - it couldn't be any worse than yesterday! xxx

SaggyOldClothCatPuss that sounds like such a horrible experience, really sorry :-( Did you have successful pregnancies after that? xxx

monikar Wed 28-Aug-13 11:14:10

Pleased you are feeling a little more relaxed lady.

I am keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.

flowers

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 28-Aug-13 13:12:57

I'm 12 weeks now! grin

Gremlin323 Wed 28-Aug-13 13:51:25

So sorry to hear your going through this ladylashes flowers.

I suffered an ectopic last year but it wasn't detected until I was already 9 weeks as I had a period and didn't even realise I was pregnant until the week before. In my case they could see the pregnancy was in my right tube near my ovary on a scan, it was actually twins so there was probably quite a lot to see though at that point. To reiterate what the previous poster said please go straight to hospital if you have any pain, etc - they say to watch out for pain in your shoulder tip too. In my case I only experienced some abdominal pain that disappeared (was diagnosed as a UTI in hospital but booked in for a scan a few days later) and sporadic bleeding even though I was already bleeding internally. The bleeding I suffered was as it is usually described - it was brown and like prune juice.

I hope all works out well for you and it's just too early to see anything in your tummy. On a positive note for future fertility although my tube was removed I conceived again at Christmas and my baby is due in 2 weeks now. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

dirtyface Wed 28-Aug-13 16:15:04

thinking of you ladylashes x flowers

tasmaniandevilchaser Thu 29-Aug-13 07:56:32

Hope your blood test brings good news today x

ladylashes Thu 29-Aug-13 11:39:22

Hi everyone, thank you for all of your continued support and messages - they have really kept me going xxx

UPDATE!!! I went for a scan this morning and they found a sac incredibly easy, both with normal ultrasound and transvaginal. It's perfectly in the womb and exactly where is should be - no ectopic! They measured it to be 5 weeks 1 day! It's too early to see a foetus yet. So, either this is a normal early pregnancy or I should be further along and it's not developing properly. They estimated that based on dates I should be over 8 weeks! Fingers crossed this is just an early one. They said that my hcg level (1585) and my progesterone level (74) from two days ago are really good. I am expecting this morning's blood test result in a few hours - if it has doubled since 2 days ago I really will relax. Still spotting, a week and counting, but the doctor isn't concerned about that as its sparse and brown! xxx

monikar Thu 29-Aug-13 11:47:44

I am really hoping it is an early pregnancy and that you get good news on the blood tests later today. I'm relieved for you that it is not ectopic.

Hope you are feeling a little better now.

ladylashes Thu 29-Aug-13 11:52:02

monikar yes I do feel a bit better but I will feel truly relieved if I get good news this afternoon! Will update you :-) xxx

monikar Thu 29-Aug-13 11:55:01

You have had such a worrying few days. I am praying for good news this afternoon for you. You said upthread that your cycle can be rather long and so it is possible that you ovulated late, and so the pregnancy is early. I really hope so.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 29-Aug-13 12:55:43

Sooo pleased for you! smile such a relief!

ladylashes Thu 29-Aug-13 12:59:51

Thank you both! :-) I'm not out of the woods yet but his morning was a positive step xxx

ladylashes Thu 29-Aug-13 13:48:04

More good news - my hCG levels have doubled to 3102 in the last two days. I'm very pleased! Fingers crossed this is a normal pregnancy from now on :-) My next scan is next Friday morning. Will update the thread again then. Thanks again for your support everyone who has commented and sent me good wishes xxx

monikar Thu 29-Aug-13 14:17:58

Brilliant news - I'm so pleased for you smile. I'm also hoping this is a normal pregnancy from now on. You have had such a worrying time - I hope you can relax a little now.

dirtyface Thu 29-Aug-13 15:44:36

oh thats great news, crossing everything its a normal pg and just a bit earlier than you thought! flowers

Writerwannabe83 Thu 29-Aug-13 15:51:16

That's wonderful news - I'm so happy for you smile x

workingonitagain Thu 29-Aug-13 18:34:36

Fantastic news hope more to come nxt week xx

tasmaniandevilchaser Thu 29-Aug-13 20:00:05

Really pleased to hear that, it's great news! smile

Conina Thu 29-Aug-13 20:46:47

Very happy to hear - I really hope it goes well. I have everything crossed for you - I'd love to hear a happy ending right now x

MummyJetsetter Thu 29-Aug-13 22:48:41

Phew what a relief! It's so weird when your dates aren't what you thought but obviously it's very common! I'm sure this will be the case otherwise they would have seen the sac on the last scan and nothing would have progressed from there! Good luck with the next scan! x

SaucyJack Thu 29-Aug-13 22:57:44

smile

ladylashes Sat 31-Aug-13 09:54:58

It's going to be a loooooong wait until next Friday.

Still spotting caramel colour.....10 days now!! xxx

princesscupcakemummyb Sat 31-Aug-13 18:24:26

thinking of you ladylashes wishing you all the best ! smile x

ladylashes Fri 06-Sep-13 10:10:20

Hi everyone

Just wanted to come on here and update you...
I had a scan this morning and they saw my tiny little foetus and a heartbeat! I've been feeling soooo nauseous for the last few days so I was feeling more optimistic. The early pregnancy unit have discharged me - as far as they are concerned this is a normal 6 week pregnancy.

Again, thank you all for all of the support over the last few weeks. It was such a terrible time with the spotting and the suspected ectopic. It has all worked out though. I hope some other women get comfort from my story that sometimes it works out :-)

Bug hugs xxx

Writerwannabe83 Fri 06-Sep-13 10:12:50

Brilliant news grin

I hope you have a lovely pregnancy, congratulations x x

ladylashes Fri 06-Sep-13 10:14:10

Hi writer thank you!

I saw on another thread that you had a few worries. Everything ok now? xxx

Christelle2207 Fri 06-Sep-13 14:04:09

Just seen this and wanted to say congrats such a lovely story. Sounds like the first sonoGrapher needs the sack! I had a very worrying start to my pg- currently feeding a 4 seeker, best of luck!

Christelle2207 Fri 06-Sep-13 14:04:31

4 weeker!

monikar Fri 06-Sep-13 19:00:18

I am so happy to hear such good news - what a relief!

Writerwannabe83 Fri 06-Sep-13 20:51:21

Hi lady

I had my scan 2 days ago to make sure everything was ok due to bleeding I was having and thankfully the little baby was perfectly Fine. It was being all wriggly, arms and legs going everywhere - my husband had tears in his eyes. The last scan we had just showed a blob, but this time it was definite baby!!

I'm having really bad sickness and diarrhoea now though, haven't really kept anything down for 3 days. I thought that because I'd gotten to this stage without any sickness I was going to be one of the lucky ones who never had it hmm Unfortunately not!

I have got my 12 week scan a week on Monday and I'm so excited because then we can actually start telling people!! Yay!

tasmaniandevilchaser Fri 06-Sep-13 21:29:06

So chuffed for you! Hope the rest of your pregnancy is uneventful

princesscupcakemummyb Sat 07-Sep-13 15:17:51

hi ladylashes how are you? flowers

CrispyFB Sat 07-Sep-13 17:51:13

So glad to hear it's all looking good! For what it's worth, my cycles are usually 28-35 days, but DD1 is a day 29 baby, so sometimes these things happen!

Hope you have no more scares with this pregnancy!

Sarahlou25 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:11:00

Please can someone help me I'm driving myself insane I am 25 an found out I was pregnant on the 13th of September it was a planned pregnancy and we were very excited also very pleased to give my partners son from previous relationship a much wanted brother or sister!. On Wednesday of last week I had a bit of cramping so went to hospital was told to go to EPU next morning I did an first thing they said was likely ectopic but hasn't even ran tests, finally had a scan an there wasn't anything to see but at only 4wks I'm sure that was normal? There was however a cyst/sac on my left side outside the womb, My hcg level was 367 and 48hrs later only rose to 437 I no longer have pain I haven't had any bleeding but they have asked me to go in tommorow (Monday) so they can scan and confirm ectopic! I'm so confused as to what I'm to think and have got in a terrible state an I still feel all of the things I should be horrible smells sore breasts mood swings :s please someone reply even just with an opinion pls, sarah xx

monikar Mon 23-Sep-13 09:42:24

Sarah Oh dear, so sorry to hear this - what time is your appointment today? It could be that at 4weeks, that was too early to see anything, so it may not be bad news. I don't have personal experience of ectopic pregnancy, but a close friend has. Her pregnancy tests all came up negative for weeks and her pregnancy was in a tube. The fact that you have a positive test is a good sign, as are all your other symptoms. The cyst outside your womb may be unrelated to your pregnancy - something you have had for a long time and would not have known about had it not been for the scan. Hope they will be able to reassure you today and that you feel better soon.

flowers

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tasmaniandevilchaser Mon 23-Sep-13 11:29:11

sarah, so sorry, I hope you got good news today. If it is bad news, there is an ectopic support thread in miscarriage/pg loss on here and also the ept website. You're probably better off starting your own thread rather than adding to this one as more people will see it. thanks

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