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PG after MC, the new and shiny POSIFRICKINTIVITY thread...

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SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 15-Aug-13 10:03:52

Oops! I posted the last post and didn't link to a new thread! Sorry!
Anyway, here it is, come on in for the best support going and a safe place to vent. grin and a lovely squishy new set of twins

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 15-Aug-13 10:04:40

<<sincerely hopes everyone finds me>>

justpoppy Thu 15-Aug-13 10:07:37

Hi shiny new thread. <waves>

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 15-Aug-13 10:24:12

Well that's two of us! grin

MotorcycleMama Thu 15-Aug-13 10:26:13

Thanks saggy.

Good luck to all having scans today.

I've just been sent an appt with a consultant obstetrician in September. When I asked the receptionist what it is for, she said "it's your antenatal care". Does anybody know if this is routine, and what it is for? I wondered if it was due to previous miscarriage.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 15-Aug-13 10:44:43

Not sure. Ill be under a consultant because I'm a fat bird, but I don't know about other reasons.

MotorcycleMama Thu 15-Aug-13 11:19:06

Maybe my age - 41? Or donor egg IVF?

katatonic Thu 15-Aug-13 11:22:49

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TeaAndANatter Thu 15-Aug-13 11:38:56

Hi shiny new thread! <waving madly>

Feeling very positive this morning for a woman at the grand state of about 4+4, but woke up feeling that this one's going to last the distance. Hoping for grotesque MS (not really), but fantasising about puking all down the length of the morning metro (train)!

Thinking of all other threaders x

kjh5 Thu 15-Aug-13 11:55:05

Phew! Moment of panic when I realised I couldn't post in the old thread
I really should stop spending so much time on MN

<waves> mornin' everyone.

Tea we're exactly the same time along! For some reason this excites me. Glad you are feeling positive today. I was SUPER positive yesterday (probably as a result of a sugar high from Saggy-influenced fudge-eating) and today I am back to wondering if this one is going to stick.

Told BF yesterday and she is super excited for me but now worried I have jumped the gun and DH and I should just be keeping this super quiet until the 12-week scan. Also debating whether or not to tell my mum - she is a doctor so very handy for phoning up and asking panicked questions/sobbing down the phone BUT she was so excited she was going to be a nan last time and I would feel like I was disappointing her again if we lost this one. Seeing her this weekend so no doubt she'll guess anyway...

Hugs poppy - sorry you are feeling down today. Have some fudge - after the 6th piece in a row the sugar high is something else!

WhatWillSantaBring Thu 15-Aug-13 12:03:41

Well hello! Isn't it nice in here. Though I think we should put some curtains up and install some squishy seats (we can't sit on the squishy twins when they arrive).

tea and katatonic - here's hoping for some mild/moderate MS for you soon, just enough so it feels real. grin Though kata - tiredness is definitely a symptom.

mama - I think its possibly your age, as I think anyone over 40 gets referred for consultant care. They can then release you back to Midwife led care if they re-assess your risk as being lower.

BumpKitty Thu 15-Aug-13 12:12:39

Ooh new thread how sparkly grin we need some stats on here.
I agree with the knowing something was wrong when I had my mc, I knew I was pg before I did the test I just absolutely knew then the feeling faded and faded until I just felt totally unpregnant. Every time I spoke about the pg I had to qualify it with 'all being well' or something similar as it just wasn't right. This time the worry and scan doom is awful but not the same kind of instinctual feeling as I had with the mc.

So... I just had my 28 week appt. all fine but the mw pointed out that my 20 week scan says my placenta is anterior which is odd as it says posterior on the scan I had when I had the leaking fluid. I couldn't find it at the time but I have since I got home, should I be concerned or not? It does make sense as I don't get massive boot type kicks. Any opinions gladly received!

sleepcrisis Thu 15-Aug-13 12:17:11

Hi everyone, wow that filled up quickly.

Thanks for all your kinds replies re. mmc. That feeling of something not being quite right is only something that can be really assessed in hind sight. I do feel as though things aren't right in my body but I have no way of knowing until my 12 wk scan whether its just my anxiety peaking or if something has gone wrong.

I feel so dizzy and weak all the time, and tired, like I could sleep for a week. But I also know these can be normal pg signs. The nausea is incessant though and I think if it wasn't for that I'd be much more afraid. I don't have any cramping anymore which is great, although if I have a particularly busy day I do have a heavy feeling in my abdomen which I recognise from tired days later on in pregnancy, more like 2-3rd trimester.

Where we live we have one state run but 'private' hospital and private GPs. All hospital care is subsidsed for by the state (and maternity care) if you pay salary contributions. You need insurance to cover GPs but insurance does not cover maternity. So the only maternity option is state funded, but there are no other hospitals or private clinics to go to. So its a bit of a monopoly and a complete nightmare.

I have told way too many people about this pg and am beginning to regret it sad I also had some news yesterday which left me feeling a bit devastated. A close friend announced a pg which is due the same date as the pg I lost. Talk about coincidence. I just feel so envious of the poeple who have made it past their 12 week scan!

I'm really loving the sound of fudge right now.

IBelieveInPink Thu 15-Aug-13 12:27:46

Ooh hello new thread!

Bump - how odd! Was your other scan early on? I would be inclined to rely on 20 week one - I also have anterior and like you say, haven't felt any actual feet or anything yet, but as this is my first I have no idea what it should feel like?

andadietcoke Thu 15-Aug-13 12:37:16

kjh I was exactly the same - I told my parents on holiday in Tunisia for my day's 60th and they were so excited. When I started to miscarry two days later I didn't tell them because it was his birthday and I had to sit there at dinner listening to him talk about his next birthday and how there might be little ones running round. It broke my heart and so I waited until I was nearly 10 weeks before I told them this time.

sleep this always sounds really childish but my ex best friend was due on the same day as me. I was devastated when I found out - I didn't know I was pregnant again so it was probably a bit hormonal but I had a massive meltdown a couple of days before Christmas (which the lovely ladies of the TTC talked me through). She had her baby at the beginning of July and I still find it hard to look at photos of him because he's here safely. It will be an odd time for you, but hopefully there will be lots of advice and hand me downs for your baby!

I had a phone call from the ante natal clinic this morning. Apparently my PET bloods were 'a bit off' on Tuesday even though there was no protein in my urine, so I have to go in tomorrow morning to the day unit for monitoring and to repeat the bloods and urine and blood pressure. It's really shaken me - thought I wasn't having any more hospital appts and now this. I know PE isn't anything to worry about if they've caught it early, but everything was going so well hmm

shellsocks Thu 15-Aug-13 13:17:50

Stats 15 August -today we are pregnant

Andadietcoke, 1MC, 0DC, EDD 10th September, next scan 13th August
Pentagon: 1 DD, 2MMCs, EDD 31 October
BumpKitty: 1MC, 1DD, EDD 9 Nov
Shellshock7: 2MC 1DS EDD 12 Nov 4D scan 17 August
Bodicea: 0DC, 2MC, EDD 16 Nov.
Ibelieveinpink: 2mc, EDD 16 Nov
GardenWorm: 1DC, 2MC, EDD 19th November,
Janielovesluckysocks: 1MC, 0DC, EDD 23rd Nov,
Lucky13: 1DS, 1 chemical, 2MC, EDD 23rd Nov
Vixjane: 2 MC, EDD 24 Nov,
Vocalista86: 1 MMC, EDD 30 November.
Jmf294: 1 DS, 1DD, 1 MC, EDD 10th Dec
ChocolateCremeEggbag: 1DS, 1MC, EDD 16 Dec
DIYandEatCake: 1dd, 1mc, EDD ?16 dec
Booty: 1chemical EDD 19 Dec
WillSantaComeAgain: 1DC, 2MMC, EDD 29Dec Anomoly scan 16 Aug
pumpkinsweetie mc1, EDD 03 Jan
Christinedaae - 1DD, 1MC, EDD 25th Jan, anomaly scan 6th Sept
Lieslvontrapp: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 10 Feb
Pixielady83 1DD, 1MMC, EDD 3 March
GuffSmuggler: 1DS, 1MCC, EDD 4 March
Rock: 1DS, 1MMC, EDD 4 March
Postmanpatandhisblackandwhitecat:1DD,2DS,1MC EDD 7 March 2014
Motorcyclemama: 1MMC, EDD 17 March
SaggyOldClothPussCat: 1MC, 1DD, 1DS, EDD 18 March
Omri: 1DS, 1MMS, EDD 24 March

New arrivals

Jessw25 Baby Oliver born 9 July 2013 5lb 11oz
GaryBuseysTeeth Baby boy born 30 July 2013 7lb 4oz

shellsocks Thu 15-Aug-13 13:24:29

Thanks for the new thread saggy smile

I'm afraid this is going to be a bit of a sobfest, but I'm in work and already had a cry in the loo so thought writing it down may stop me losing it altogether.

My PGP is so bad, I can't walk really at all now without being in agony, I really don't want to have to work from home from now on but I can't get here without being dropped off and picked up door to door and even that is leaving me in so much pain. I can't believe how fast this has escalated since the weekend. I am so sad for DS as Mondays and Tuesdays which are my days on my own with him are going to be so hard now, it's really upsetting me that he is going to suffer sad Work have suggested using their private health instead of waiting from NHS physio so am gonna speak to MW when I have my 28w appt on Monday and see what she thinks...can't beleive it might be like this, or worse, for the next three months sad

BumpKitty Thu 15-Aug-13 13:33:55

Oh god shell you poor thing, I had my 28week appt today and mw was happy to send me straight to the physio if I wanted BUT she did say it tends to be a group session where everyone is just given some tips and a piece of tubi grip to put round your bump, so I would take them up on the private referral if I was you - could be completely different in your area though. I think the sooner you do something the better and a private referral may well be quicker xx

shellsocks Thu 15-Aug-13 13:52:18

Thanks bump I rang MW on Monday and she referred me straight away (I was under physio last time) so I just need to know how long appts take to come thru....sorry you are getting this too, really hope it doesn't get bad for you x

Swangirl Thu 15-Aug-13 14:58:04

Stats 15 August -today we are pregnant

Andadietcoke, 1MC, 0DC, EDD 10th September, next scan 13th August
Pentagon: 1 DD, 2MMCs, EDD 31 October
BumpKitty: 1MC, 1DD, EDD 9 Nov
Shellshock7: 2MC 1DS EDD 12 Nov 4D scan 17 August
Bodicea: 0DC, 2MC, EDD 16 Nov.
Ibelieveinpink: 2mc, EDD 16 Nov
GardenWorm: 1DC, 2MC, EDD 19th November,
Janielovesluckysocks: 1MC, 0DC, EDD 23rd Nov,
Lucky13: 1DS, 1 chemical, 2MC, EDD 23rd Nov
Vixjane: 2 MC, EDD 24 Nov,
Vocalista86: 1 MMC, EDD 30 November.
Jmf294: 1 DS, 1DD, 1 MC, EDD 10th Dec
ChocolateCremeEggbag: 1DS, 1MC, EDD 16 Dec
DIYandEatCake: 1dd, 1mc, EDD ?16 dec
Booty: 1chemical EDD 19 Dec
WillSantaComeAgain: 1DC, 2MMC, EDD 29Dec Anomoly scan 16 Aug
pumpkinsweetie mc1, EDD 03 Jan
Christinedaae - 1DD, 1MC, EDD 25th Jan, anomaly scan 6th Sept
Lieslvontrapp: 1MMC, 0DC, EDD 10 Feb
Pixielady83 1DD, 1MMC, EDD 3 March
GuffSmuggler: 1DS, 1MCC, EDD 4 March
Rock: 1DS, 1MMC, EDD 4 March
Swangirl:1DD,2DS,1MC EDD ? March 2014,12 week scan 28 August
Motorcyclemama: 1MMC, EDD 17 March
SaggyOldClothPussCat: 1MC, 1DD, 1DS, EDD 18 March
Omri: 1DS, 1MMS, EDD 24 March

New arrivals

Jessw25 Baby Oliver born 9 July 2013 5lb 11oz
GaryBuseysTeeth Baby boy born 30 July 2013 7lb 4oz
Hello all newbies
I realise how lucky I have been with being able to have an early scan after reading post on here about other trusts not giving them to ladies who have had a miscarriage.The scan did reassure me a bit to see that tiny flicker on the screen but of course it hasn't stopped me worrying about the slightest cramp or symptoms disappearing for a day. I have the been told that symptoms are good by my midwife. I just have to remind myself of that every time I start to feel sick at the sight of food or start gagging because I don't like the smell of something. I have lost 5kg in weight since I have found out I was pregnant. smile
I am worrying about my 12 week scan but I think most people do. It seems an age way its only 2 weeks. But I find I am becoming increasing worried as it draws closer and I mc at 11 weeks last year so that is making me even more worried.
I try to remember that today I am pregnant

DIYandEatCake Thu 15-Aug-13 15:20:36

Hello everyone, I am still here, just can't keep up! Been decorating dd's new room and tackling the jumble sale that is our house (always needed a deadline to make me do anything...!) and so not spending so much time on here.

Great to see so many new people here, wishing you loads of luck and happy uneventful pregnancies. Sorry not to name check, I need to go back to the old thread and read about 10 pages again!

anda can't believe it's so close for you now, hope all is ok with the bloods. shell that sounds awful, I'd second taking advantage of the private physio, dp's had NHS and private physio and found the private one much more thorough.

Still not much news here, 23 weeks now, got my feet up while dd naps as have been overdoing it a bit this morning. Got an appointment at the vbac clinic next week which I think will make it all seem a bit more real!

WhatWillSantaBring Thu 15-Aug-13 15:44:32

shell - really sorry to hear that you're in so much pain. I am sure I read somewhere about a woman's whose PGP/SPD got worse much earlier in pg#2 but then improved with physio far more than it did with no1. So hopefully things will improve enough that you're not so debilatated. And don't worry about your DS. Spending time with you is the thing that matters, not running around like a loon. Can you get your DP to help set up a whole series of activities that you can supervise from the sofa? So that you have lots to entertain him with but so you don't have to move that much to prepare? e.g. just little things like getting out the pens/papers/paint and putting on the table ready for you, getting his toys out etc?

Sleep - its one of the worst things about have had a mc, IMHO. It turns you into a bitter and jealous harriden for those you love best. I was pretty vile to a friend who announced she was expecting on my EDD for MC1 - totally cut her off. Then she then had her DD2 on the day that I was literally in the same hospital being diagnosed with MMC2, so after I recovered a bit I sent her a long explanation that basically said I was sorry I'd been so distant, and that I was struggling to come to terms with things. She was lovely, bless her and seemed to understand. still haven't seen her though as I still struggle to see anyone with a second child

kjh - i had a policy in all my pgs of not telling anyone I thought would be upset if i had a mc. So never told my parents or siblings - only people who were "my" friend and who would therefore be sad for me rather than themselves if I lost it. I think if you do feel the need to tell someone, its OK to say "i know you're excited, but please don't be because I can't handle the pressure".

anda - I'm sure everything will be fine, and just see this as a better safe than sorry thing.

sleepcrisis Thu 15-Aug-13 17:01:41

shell i'm not sure if you saw my post towards the end of the last thread but I had SPD quite badly I my first pregnancy and the physio wasnt l that helpful(was under Nhs back then). If your work insurance covers it I really recommend osteopathy over physio. I found it gave more immediate relief, although I did have to have a few repeat visits. Later in pg I found Acupuncture to be even more of a revelation. For lots of other ailments too!

TeaAndANatter Thu 15-Aug-13 18:07:07

Shell Sorry you're in so much pain. Got no advice at all, but I thought I read something in the Gowri Motha Gentle Birthing about some therapy or another being relieving for SPD (but I may have totally made that up, so I'll go look it up tonight and report back).

kjh I find it strangely comforting to have a 'same week buddy' too. I made a same week buddy on the two week wait thread in conception, but she isn't PG after a MC, so it's not quite the same experience, and I don't want to give her a total downer by sharing my pretty incessant anxiety with her. I was 'lucky' enough to have a mmc fairly early (didn't quite get to 7 weeks), so at least I get past that milestone sooner than if I'd lost after then, which I would have found much harder. Glad you had a +ve day yesterday, we can wait out the until 12 weeks hump together.

Sleep, I know what you mean about only knowing in hindsight, but I knew in 'foresight' it felt wrong (if that makes sense) which is why I spent five days badgering everyone to scan me, and they blood tested me and told me to wait to miscarry (ridiculously out of step HCG level - it was 62). But then plenty people feel everything is fine, and find out it was a mmc, so that's no comfort. Thinking of you x

TeaAndANatter Thu 15-Aug-13 18:08:38

Oh, forgot to give stats:

2 DC, 1 MMC, EDD 21st-ish April 2014

omri Thu 15-Aug-13 18:21:47

Hello all! Glad to see tea's edd. Now I'm not the last on the list wink

Pixielady83 Thu 15-Aug-13 18:53:25

ooh I thought I had lost you all <panic over> thanks for new thread saggy grin

welcome new ladies <waves>

anda really hope results come back ok for you, it would be so frustrating to have complications at the last hurdle. fingers crossed for you.

shell so so sorry you're in so much pain sad my pelvis literally collapsed at 28wks last time after a fall and I was housebound and working from home after that. I remember feeling quite desperate about it sad. I echo what sleep says, try osteo, or chiro if you can. my physio did v little but I found chiro useful in my last pg (ironically spd set in at 5wks in mmc pg). I'm told reflexology can be good too. Also second what pp said about resting as much as possible. It is massively frustrating but it doesn't last forever. Mine was mostly gone as soon as DD arrived. I have been lucky so far but after a day of walking round the zoo and lifting DD to see animals yesterday I am really hurting today. Just hope this isn't it for next 6 months now!

So 11 wks tomorrow, 1 week to wait til 2nd scan. I feel quietly optimistic. And <whispers> I think I may have even picked up a hb on angel sounds last night. Could be my imagination though but did sound fast and like a little train (albeit fuzzy and far away) smile

IBelieveInPink Thu 15-Aug-13 19:16:21

Oh shell, poor you lovely. Definitely get seen, by someone. Anyone as long as they can fix you! I feel bad for moaning about a little bit of ache now, that sounds horrific.

Ooh pixie - a heartbeat smile eek. I wish we could enjoy these pregnancies the way we should be able to, enjoy any positive day you get. smile

Just settling in for the evening to watch a bit of one born. Yay. And no I am definitely not going on it, before anyone starts again!! :P

sleepcrisis Thu 15-Aug-13 19:18:39

Could I go on the stats please?

1DS, 1MC, EDD 1st April 2014

auspan Thu 15-Aug-13 19:18:52

Hi Girlies!
Well, i've just had a BFP on Tuesday after a MC in June at 8.5 weeks. I am so nervous, and am hoping that this LO will stick around. The EPU were so lovely with me last time, and told me they have no problem giving me a scan this time if it will reassure me, so im going to book one in for next week.
Still cant quite believe it!!

stats: 0DC, 1MMC EDD 14th April.

Thankyou for the shiny new thread saggy

Sorry you are in so much pain shell hope they can help you with it soon x

Motorcycle not sure why you would be under consultant care, there are many reasons. Your mw should tell you. I saw the consultant for the first time today because of my bmi, but because my other dc were normal size & normal births i'm to now be treated as normal unless my GTT comes back positive at 28 weeks and i am to have extra scan at 32 weeks to check baby's size but if all goes to plan should get to have my baby at the mlu. Going to push for a homebirth, but doubt mw will entertain it!

Congratulations auspanthanksthanks

GuffSmuggler Thu 15-Aug-13 20:12:38

Ah there you all are!

Welcome to the new people, this is a good place to be.

Only 5 more longs days to get through until 12 week scan (am turning into a nut job).

I'm DESPERATE to get the maternity clothes out, my trousers are so uncomfortable, but refuse to until after the scan!

Pixielady83 Thu 15-Aug-13 20:16:25

guff I'm with you on the maternity clothes front, I'm straining out of bras and can't do up trousers but need to get through the scan first! I've also got another 3 days at work and 2 days of seeing my mum to try and hide my tummy and newly massive boobs (really don't want to tell work and family til we have had scan).

On a rather depressing note, I saw a friend who is 20wks this week and she was barely showing. And she is tiny usually which I would have thought meant she would show earlier! gah.

kjh5 Thu 15-Aug-13 20:29:35

OMG I am so exhausted I am about to face plant my desk. I've resorted to drastic measures to get through my shift: coffee. I know caffeine is banned but I'm desperate. Haven't had any at all for a week so hoping one small cup won't do any harm and wake me up!

I'm not ready to join the stats just yet. Like tea my MC was early - 6wks so I'm waiting to get past that hump before I can start to commit to this pregnancy wont admit I've been thinking about how I want the nursery . I have GP appt tomo, I've been in and out of there like a yoyo the past four months. Last time I was sobbing my eyes out over MC - strangely nervous about what she is going to say about me being preg so quickly. At least she can get me referred to the hospital. I might even make it to my booking appt this time!

Congrats auspan sounds like lots of posifrickintivity for you smile

<<confession>> I have never watched OBEM. Scared it'll freak me out too much... Although I'm told it makes you more prepared for exactly what'll happen

BumpKitty Thu 15-Aug-13 20:30:24

welcome auspan and congratulations! sounds like you are in good hands with your EPAU, how nice to hear about a good one!

If anyone is having uncomfortable knicker issues (!) I bought these yesterday and they are amazing! No dig in at all, super soft and full coverage grin I got them two sizes bigger than my normal size and they look ginormous but seem to fit very well blush and they are buy 2 get one free.

Pixielady83 Thu 15-Aug-13 21:00:14

ooh they do look comfy!

kjh, I found obem actually helped me feel prepared for the labour because I had watched a lot of different deliveries. I think it has enough positive ones that it balances out the scary ones.

That said, after 2 pregnancies in which I was adamant I wanted natural deliveries (ended up with emergency c section for DD as she was breech, 2nd pg was mmc), this time I am actually thinking of trying to request an elective, which is a weird change as I really wanted a natural delivery after the section. Now I just feel I want whatever is most assured to get a baby out safely. Way too early to be thinking about this though.

BlackholesAndRevelations Thu 15-Aug-13 21:00:14

Totally can't keep up with this! Just found new thread. Hello! Welcome to all newbies xx

Bodicea Thu 15-Aug-13 21:01:02

Hello people just got home from my first antenatal yoga class - lazydaisy- was fun and v relaxing. I nodded off in relaxation bit.

Waves to auspan

is there a new one born pink?

BlackholesAndRevelations Thu 15-Aug-13 21:03:20

Pixie- i haven't had a c-section but have always been of the opinion that if I'd had to have an emergency one, I'd opt for elective rather than vbac just in case... Although I do know many ladies who've had successful vbacs.

Tea, how old are your other dc? I have two too, aged 3.7 now, and almost 2! Madness!

IBelieveInPink Thu 15-Aug-13 21:05:58

Bod- no, not new ones unfortunately. Just watching old ones with a different perspective now preggy!

I find one born good, as it prepares me for some of the things that may go wrong... And they (almost) always have a happy ending so will reassure me if any dramas go on that there can be a good outcome!

Pixielady83 Thu 15-Aug-13 21:17:04

blackholes, glad you can understand. I am weirded out because I was so keen to experience a natural birth but having lost a baby now it has really made me think again and the thought of removing some uncertainty is tempting. Last time I was pregnant they were quite relaxed about offering another section. Although I was devastated to need a c section with DD, it was actually a very positive experience and I recovered quickly.

BlackholesAndRevelations Thu 15-Aug-13 21:48:11

And it'd be even more straightforward if all planned and prepared for. Yes- since losing babies the most important thing is getting them here safe and sound! Doesn't matter how; drug-free, pain free waterbirth (lol), heavily medicalised, or via the sunroof. Whatever's healthiest and safest. smile

BumpKitty Thu 15-Aug-13 21:52:50

bod (sorry to leap on you as you just walk in!) did you see my post about my placenta? Apparently it has gone from posterior at 13w (when i had an extra scan due to leakage!) to anterior at 20w - is this possible or is one just wrong? I'd bet on the 13w one being wrong as the sonographer was odd! - she had a go at my DH as he stood up behind her and it freaked her out hmm

BumpKitty Thu 15-Aug-13 21:54:31

and I had my first yoga class on Wed, I love the relaxing bit at the end - that's worth the money on it's own grin

JanieLovesLuckySocks Thu 15-Aug-13 21:55:15

hi girls, phew i found you! thanks for the new thread saggy smile

sorry you're in such agony shell sad i have no advice - buuuut my sore hips have not been giving me half as much pain at night since i started my pg yoga...there are some really good stretches that we've been taught using a swiss ball - hard to describe in writing but there might be some you tube videos. sorry if it isn't any help but maybe worth a look x

pink - i can;t remember if i asked you...but do they pay you to go on obem? i always wondered what the incentive was! i love it ..but it;s given me the impression that labour and babies happen within an hour ha!

pixie - yay for heartbeats!!!

hello auspan! congrats on your bfp smile

anda i hope the bloods came back ok. good that they're keeping a close eye on you

bump i'm in love with big knickers!! bigger the better! i got some bg granny pants that come up (almost past) my belly button smile

so at yoga tonight our teacher was asking us who our birthing partners were and how it was vital that they were as prepared as us...i.e. we can't be the ones supporting them on the day and they shouldn't be asking us too many questions that they could have known the answers to beforehand. so maybe it's time for me to have the chat with dh and ask him to read something or try to prepare. he always squirms when i watch obem and i'm genuinely worried that i'll be having to nurse him when it needs to be the other way round. also he doesn't do boredom well, he gets narky and if i'm waiting for ages then it'll piss me right off if he goes moody because he's hanging around waiting. were only allowed one birth partner but i'm seriously thinking about asking if i can have my mum on standby as well.

talking about labour and birth...how's that for posifrickintivity!

JanieLovesLuckySocks Thu 15-Aug-13 22:18:12

and shell i wasn't trying to compare my sore hips to the agony you are in as i know yours is so much worse, hope it didn't come across as if i was x

ps did any of your dh/dp read any useful books or do any research before you went into labour? i have just mentioned it to dh and he pretty much brushed it off as if to say i was talking crap

Bodicea Thu 15-Aug-13 22:22:27

Bump one will be wrong! they don't really migrate that much :-) although one that is more on the side can be both at the same time xxxx

Shell i heard osteopaths/chiropractors are really good but you need a specialist pregnancy one to get best results

Loving all the yoga buddies xxxxx

Pixielady83 Thu 15-Aug-13 22:24:44

Janie I really struggled to get DH to read anything but the blokes guide to pregnancy (can't remember author but Amazon will know) is quite good and he did eventually read that. Although the main thing he took away from it apparently was that it was v important to give me a present for having a baby. So when my waters broke he disappeared for half an hour to go on Amazon to sort that out (priorities?!)

Disclaimer about blokes guide, although v good generally, in retrospect it is very negative about formula feeding and does rather imply breastfeeding is fine as long as you try hard enough hmm which could be problematic if bf problems occurred and your partner had only read that. (I speak as someone who is a bit sensitive about that after having lots of problems breastfeeding)

DIYandEatCake Thu 15-Aug-13 22:46:16

janie, dp read nothing before dd was born and seemed completely disinterested in the whole process. Ended up with an elcs as dd was breech but dp was still a good support and a devoted dad from the off. Although I was annoyed he wouldn't read anything at the time, in retrospect it wasn't a bad thing as he tended to ask me about stuff and generally accepted I knew what I was doing... I have friends with very involved husbands and actually it can be a right pita as they think they know best and there are silly arguments. Laid back can be good too!

BumpKitty Thu 15-Aug-13 23:01:31

janie my DH didn't read anything till I was actually in labour (me in the hospital bath on all fours making mooing noises and DH on his iPhone saying I think you're now in the second stage!). Anyway, it didn't matter he was brilliant and I wouldn't have had anyone else instead. Wouldn't harm to have your mum as back up though if it will make you feel better x

BumpKitty Thu 15-Aug-13 23:02:13

And thanks bod smile I'm so glad you are on this thread!

jmf294 Thu 15-Aug-13 23:33:19

Thanks for the new thread Saggy!
Again grateful to still be here and thoughts to those we have lost along the way.

Pixie- I had an emergency c-sec with my son and chose an elective with my daughter. With my daughter I had had a number of bleeds at 23 and 27 weeks so just wanted her out safely and thought it was the easiest thing to opt for. I hope to have another elective c-sec, and whilst part of me wishes I could experience a normal birth I think it would fail, my son was big, I laboured badly, was very sick etc and would hate to try and fail.

Janie- my husband has never read anything, he went to NCT classes but that's it.

Love the sound of pregnancy yoga- but think I would just fall asleep for the session.

Welcome to all those who have joined us- positivity all round!!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 15-Aug-13 23:47:05

for all of you who are having trouble getting your men to read anything.... grin

ChristineDaae Thu 15-Aug-13 23:52:30

Ohh I found you! Had a panic coz I couldn't find you, then realised I was looking in 'conception'!
Hi to the newbies iv missed the last few days.
Anda I hope your bloods come back ok!
Stupid question... What's PGP?
Anyways I'm just home from work, and have to be up at 6 for work again so I really should sleep

JanieLovesLuckySocks Fri 16-Aug-13 08:15:20

Thanks for the DH advice girls. Yes a nice balance of informed and laid back sounds like the best combination. Maybe I'll try again tonight. Just wish he showed an interest, even just doing a bit of reading online.

Bodicea Fri 16-Aug-13 08:45:46

Janie, no chance of getting mine to read a book either. I think he will take more of an interest when we go to NCT. Are you taking him to any classes? I notice he also googles stuff quite a lot whenever i winge about anything. my direct him to websites. Books can be quite intimidating.

Christine - PGP is pelvic girdle pain

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 16-Aug-13 09:03:24

OMG! Why did I think this was a good idea?!
I went out for dinner last night. Carvery. It was very good. So was I. Rather than a sly cider I had a couple of pints of soda and lime.
I woke at 5.30 to a dream about having a wee. Only it wasn't a dream! shock then, when I got up for work I threw my guts up! Great! confused
I'm 10 weeks! What else is in store??!!

RainbowConnections Fri 16-Aug-13 09:04:48

Morning.

Santa is your scan today? Good luck, hope you're not too stressed and that its exciting to see your little one.

Guff hope you're surviving the wait...

I keep feeling really bloated. Have my eye on some non-maternity comfortable clothes (nice shapeless dresses in Cos) as its far too early to legitimately gain weight!

Welcome and congratulations to new people. x

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Pixielady83 Fri 16-Aug-13 09:32:29

kat silly question but have you slept better this week or had less on? I had a panic like this a few weeks ago but realised that I had had a much easier week at work and been sleeping well so that eased my mind somewhat as I figured I would feel better with more rest. Also I think (not sure) that the development of the pregnancy goes in bursts and then lulls so maybe you are having a lull week rather than loads of hormones flooding in. I really hope thats the case anyway.

WhatWillSantaBring Fri 16-Aug-13 09:32:50

Morning all,

kata - I had the same in this pg and so paid for the private scan. It took a bit of shopping around but found one for £70, which was pretty basic and in a really ropey part of town, but it was so worth it.

Oh saggy shock - what an awful start to the day. But remember that throwing up is a symptom so yay for that grin

I think the biggest preparation you can do for your DH's is to talk them through it. Warn them that there will be lots of boring bits (and if you have a DH with low boredom threshold, get them to bring in magazines/books/iphones whatever to keep them entertained in the quiet bits. As long as you have something to do at the same time (to be fair, I fell asleep between contractions - I don't do late nights very well, and it was 3am. DH read about half a book!)

I'm surprise (*janie??*) that you're only allowed one birthing partner - I think most hospitals allow two, essentially to allow you to have your husband and your mum (they must realise that 75% of men are useless in a crisis???). Actually, reading the NICE guidelines to interpartum care (childbirth) it says "women should be encourage to have support from birth partner(s) of their choice" so I think you could demand to have both present, and they couldn't refuse.

Anomoly scan at 1pm. Wavering between posifrickitivity (excited as we're going to see if we can find out the sex, and I LOVED seeing the details like the four chambers of the heart last time) and complete utter negafrickitivy (I've already mentally written the untelling work/friends emails). DH is going to try to make it - I really hope he can as I need someone to hold my hand.

Pentagon Fri 16-Aug-13 09:33:17

hello shiny new thread (thanks saggy) - I can't believe we're over 50 messages already!!

Welcome swan & auspan and congratulations!!

shell sorry you're in so much pain!! This happened to me a couple of weeks ago but has now stopped for some reason... Are you using a pregnancy pillow? (I have a dream genii, like anda I think and it's great) But anyway, when I was in pain I was looking at threads on MN and found this one:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/pregnancy/84194-pubic-bone-pain-excruciating/AllOnOnePage (sorry, I'm not good at linking pages)
half way through there's a long post by "KiwiKate" who really knows her stuff - she gives some great tips so maybe it's worth reading until you get an osteopath appointment?

bump if you don't feel very strong kicks I would be inclined to say it's anterior because I have the same...unless it's what bod said i.e. it's a side one and can be interpreted both ways!

guff & pixie I also refused to wear maternity clothes before my 12-week scan but struggled when 10-11w. Not long now, right?

janie I second the book saggy suggested, someone lent it to DH and it's hilarious, I started reading it myself! DH and I attended antenatal classes together but other than that he didn't research/read much - still he was brilliant when I was in labour (my mum was there too but left the room when I started pushing)

So jealous of all the antenatal yoga classes - I should seriously look for some in my area. Alright, that's what I'm going to do right now!

Pixielady83 Fri 16-Aug-13 09:35:40

jmf that's really helpful to hear your elcs experience, thank you smile how was the recovery with a toddler 2nd time round? think that's one of my worries, although a friend pointed out that she was as sore as I was after her natural delivery and we were about the same timescales for being up and about going walks etc so natural might not always mean a quicker recovery. Also I think DH will probably take 3 weeks off so that would get me through the worst.

MotorcycleMama Fri 16-Aug-13 09:40:52

kat I had a couple of days respite from crippling tiredness so I panicked, but a) I had a scan during that time at 9 weeks and all was fine, and b) the tiredness has returned with avengeance yesterday and today, so try not to panic. I think as pixie says the progression of the pregnancy goes in fits and starts, with days where you have more symptoms than others.
I thoroughly recommend having a scan if you can though - the only thing that has put my mind at rest for a few days at least

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 16-Aug-13 09:41:08

Oh saggy - what an awful start to the day. But remember that throwing up is a symptom so yay for that
Hmmm. I'm not so sure about the incontinence though! confused

LuckySocks13 Fri 16-Aug-13 09:42:09

Hey found you! just cant keep up with tu chatty lot so not posted much.
Lol Saggy smile the joys of pregnancy hey smile I have to try to stop peeing my pants when I sneeze at work!
Good luck for today's scan Santa.
With regards to early scans I found them most reassuring.
I've got brave and started buying more things! Cots sorted, bought a sling and some nappies. 26 weeks 2mor and now can see my stomach moving when little Madame rolls and kicks! Most amazing smile

LuckySocks13 Fri 16-Aug-13 09:43:17

Maybe invest in some puppy pads saggy ;)

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Pentagon Fri 16-Aug-13 09:47:47

santa good luck with your anomaly scan this afternoon!!! x

Goodluck with your anomonaly scan today santa, hope your dh manages to come with you x

kjh5 Fri 16-Aug-13 10:55:13

Kat I feel the same as you. Woke up this morning to go see GP and had a crying fit because I wasn't feeling nauseous. Then nearly threw up on poor GP but told her I was convinced I'm feeling sick because I only had three hours of sleep due to a really stressful late-finishing shift at work.

DH just convinced me to book an early scan at 8 weeks just for my own peace of mind if I make it that far. I'm also in London but reckon £100 is totally worth it for peace of mind. We still have three weeks to go to get there but I feel a bit more in control now I have booked that in. Trying to take this pregnancy in steps and ticking off the milestones:
Getting past 6wks will be the big hurdle because that is when I MC'd last time.

If it is going to make you feel better maybe shop around to get it done privately like santa suggests. You are supposed to be able to detect a heartbeat between 6/7wks - I am sure you know all of this. Hugs and hope you feel a bit better now x

Good luck for your scan Santa I am sure everything will be fine Fx for a really happy positive experience for you x

WhatWillSantaBring Fri 16-Aug-13 11:38:41

saggy I was trying to gloss over that bit for you sad. A few pints before bed would probably send most of us over the edge!

Argh, an hour and twenty two minutes to go. Though I can feel some little kicks as I sit here grin

TeaAndANatter Fri 16-Aug-13 12:11:06

Hi Black, mine are (and this is a ridiculous gap) 11 and 7 (yesterday). We would have had a smaller gap, but he wasn't ready, then I didn't want any more (was utterly certain, no convincing) until three years ago, then we had to stop trying as I got a job in England (he's working in Scotland), then we decided to go for it anyway, then the pesky mc, so anyway, silly long gap, but two great helpers! I'm 35, so it's certainly not too dreadful age wise.

andadietcoke Fri 16-Aug-13 12:11:20

Good luck Santa grin

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Chocolateteabag Fri 16-Aug-13 12:26:15

Found you all!

Having a frustrating work day with laptop problems so on the iPad (at home) while someone tries to fix things online for me - it's taking aaaaaggggggeeeeeeesss (and I have loads to do)

kjh5 Fri 16-Aug-13 12:48:36

Kat may be worth phoning up a private place and just seeing if they won't do an early scan for you if you are getting that worried? You can't put a price on peace of mind! How far along are you now? This is definitely the worst bit - the horrible wait until you get some solid confirmation everything is ok. Sending hugs and hope you get somewhere on the reassurance front.

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shellsocks Fri 16-Aug-13 13:30:49

Hi everyone, sorry for moaning and then going awol, had such a bad day and was so upset I just shut down I think! The pain kept me up all night so I was thinking it was going to be pain for literally 24 hours and worrying abt DS etc…buuuuut had a much better sleep last night (only woke me up twice) and work have sorted me a car park space right outside the door so feeling a lot happier today smile Thanks for all the advice, I will research all of your suggestions tonight and put in place the comfort measures you have all come up with, you are very kind x

On the positive, it is our 4D scan tomorrow, hadn’t got excited about it at all but the one for DS looked just like him when he was born so its dawning on me that we will get to see what this baby looks like soon, amazing grin

pink I had to double take your message, thought you said you were settling in to watch a bit of porn shock grin

janie Not at all! In my last pg I thought the pain I had then was the worst ever and had no idea how bad it could get, it’s how it feels to you at the time smile DH wouldn’t have read anything at all but he did say that the antenatal classes (just NHS) were really good cos when it all went tits up he knew what everyone was talking about! I found them a bit meh myself, cos I’d read everything (obsessively since the BFP!) so we won’t be doing anything again this time.

saggy sorry but that did make me smile, note to self don’t drink pints before bed wink

kat sorry you are so stressed, I do think it’s something we have to accept to some degree, scans made me more stressed than anything and the relief was short lived – all being well the stress will lighten as time moves on, as you said you have had a scan already and have one for 8 weeks, so I would be thinking how long would another scan reassure you for x Unless you can afford it then one a week would be perfect smile

Best of luck santa smile

GuffSmuggler Fri 16-Aug-13 13:32:00

kat I totally understand as I had a blighted ovum first time and was convinced I didn't have enough symptoms etc this time and the same was happening again. I had a good scan at 7 weeks and have had a long wait until the 12 week scan next week.

I decided against booking in another scan in between as it only reassures me for a few days and then I would think things might have gone wrong again. I would try and hold out until you are 7 weeks as they may not detect a heartbeat before then. Then you might be able to survive another week until the 8 week scan?

I find the best way is to try and get through one day/week at a time and not dwell on the waiting too much (much easier said than done I know...) I kept telling myself, if I can get through this week I will re-evaluate getting a private scan next week and somehow it's got me through the wait...

GuffSmuggler Fri 16-Aug-13 13:33:24

Oh and thanks for the warning saggy not to drink 2 pints before bed grin My bladder is nearly giving out all the time, I'm going to be walking around wetting myself constantly by 9 months! <must do pelvic floor exercises>

And good luck today santa!

WhatWillSantaBring Fri 16-Aug-13 14:57:46

All good grin grin grin. Everything looked normal and developed and in the right place, including the little sticky outy bit between the legs grin

So, so, so relieved . Now I just need him to stay in for another 9 weeks minimum and I might actually start to relax. And feeling slightly smug that my girl/boy instincts were right.

kat I really would wait till you're at 7 weeks if you can, as otherwise you'll just worry more if they scan and can't see a heartbeat, when it might be fine. Because if your dates are out by 4 days and you go in at 6+6 and you would be just too early. Hang on in there - find a project or book or film or something to keep your mind busy if you can. Or cake. xx

Pentagon Fri 16-Aug-13 15:20:25

yay Santa!! Congratulations!! Great intuition by the way smile Will this be your second boy?

anda how did it go with the bloods this morning?

saggy no more throwing up I hope!

BlackholesAndRevelations Fri 16-Aug-13 15:27:13

Congrats Santa! grin xx

Congrats santa smilesmilesmileyay!!!
Healthy little babba & a boy toosmile

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andadietcoke Fri 16-Aug-13 16:28:53

Santa yay! And a boy - fantastic!

Shell so glad they're being accommodating at work and that you slept a bit better. Have you tried a bump band until you get the referral?

Saggy my lowest point of my pregnancy was sitting on the bathroom floor throwing up in the loo and realising I'd lost all bladder control. I think that was when I invested in tena lady pillows as opposed to the 'lights'. Tragic.

katatonic yep - try to hold out for 7w. You could end up stressing yourself out even more by going earlier.

pentagon thanks for asking - was there 4.5 hours - they monitored the babies for a while and repeated the bloods and urine. It was the urates in my blood that were elevated on Tuesday and even more so today, but it turns out they rise in late pregnancy anyway, and even more so in twin pregnancies. Blood pressure still high but still no protein in my wee so they've given me beta blockers to try and get my BP down and I have to go back on Sunday to repeat everything.

Pixielady83 Fri 16-Aug-13 16:45:52

Santa brilliant news! now you can get started on boy names smile really glad all is well.

Shell glad your work are supporting you smile

shellsocks Fri 16-Aug-13 16:49:54

Congrats santa really pleased for you, and a boy too grin Great news smile

Hi anda I have two belts from last time, one for sitting and one for walking and I have tried using them but cos the pain is in a diff place I'm worried I'll do more harm than good confused Glad there's no immediate worries with your tests, late pregnancy often sees lots of waiting around in hospitals-even more so with twins I imagine smile

kjh5 Fri 16-Aug-13 17:01:01

Congrats Santa!! That's fab! And so brill about your instincts it is a boy grin.

A lot of my friends are going for the 'surprise' approach and not finding out until the birth. What is everyone else doing in that regard?

Told my mum today about the pregnancy and she was totally excited and blasé about my fears of another MC telling me 'of course this one will last'. So that's all good then! She also declared I was obviously having a girl seeing as how I was nauseous from 3+5...

Anda so glad you are being well looked after and monitored properly. Fx the next few days go quickly (and safely) for you! xx

kjh5 Fri 16-Aug-13 17:10:26

Shell your work sound very supportive - I'm sorry you are suffering so horrifically. Sending virtual hugs I hope you get waited on hand and foot this weekend and feel much better x

Pixielady83 Fri 16-Aug-13 17:10:52

We are going for a surprise again smile

It is tempting to find out in order to sort out all the baby clothes in the attic but tbh I will probably do that anyway and keep a neutral pile and set girl things aside ready to sell or use. I honestly cannot top the moment we found out DD was a girl, it was so exciting to finally find out who she was smile

GuffSmuggler Fri 16-Aug-13 17:31:51

Fantastic news santa grin grin grin

GardenWorm Fri 16-Aug-13 18:03:37

Whoop! Whoop! Santa grin

BlackholesAndRevelations Fri 16-Aug-13 18:33:59

Having both girl and boy stuff means half of it can go now! grin although I must admit it's sad knowing that well never use one of our dc's stuff again.

I've also started choosing things for the little bedroom/nursery (going to make it a bit grown-up so I don't have to decorate again in the near future).

So exciting!

auspan Fri 16-Aug-13 19:29:14

Congrats Santa! A bubba boy!

Well my BF has been so weird since we found out im pregnant again. He has been really distant, and hasnt even asked me how im feeling. (i've been very nauseous & tired BTW!)maybe he is just feeling detached after the MC last time? I guess i am a bit too.

I spoke to my EPU and they have booked me a scan for next Friday at 9am, I hope its not too early..im 5 weeks and a couple of days, so they said its fine, i will be 6 weeks by then....so now i nervously wait. And he is coming with me.

Talking about books for the Men, ive heard of 'commando dad' there is also a website. Im thinking of getting this for BF, once we get thru the next few weeks!! I think it will really appeal to his sense of humour!

Thanks for all the welcomes ladies, feeling the love xx

BlackholesAndRevelations Fri 16-Aug-13 19:38:30

Re: men, my dp didn't read a single thing but really benefited from our Nct classes. When I was in labour he was a massive help, and knew what was going on too, all thanks to the classes I think. Anyone doing them?

JanieLovesLuckySocks Fri 16-Aug-13 19:45:59

woop woop santa!!! brill news smile and a wee willy too!! heehee! blancing up the boy/girl ration now smile and thanks for the NICE tip...in our hospital notes state in big bold writing that only one birthing partner is allowed - i wonder is it different here (i'm in NI). when i was at the hospital last friday there was a girl that was in labour and her boyfriend and mum had to take it in turns to go in and see her.

thanks for all the book tips girls, i'll maybe see if the library or ebay any of them smile

we're going for a surprise too, i originally was convinced it was a boy, but i'm now thinking it might be a girl. eek i just don't know!

JanieLovesLuckySocks Fri 16-Aug-13 19:46:50

oh forgot to mention, we just get 2 evening antenatal classes at the hspital. the nct class is full and couldn't take us sad

IBelieveInPink Fri 16-Aug-13 20:20:45

Santa - fab scan news smile and a boy! How lovely. Intuition wins again!!

Diet - so pleased all looking okay, yay.

Well, how's this for posifrickentivity.... We decorated the nursery today! Hope I haven't tempted fate - and am now exhausted... But it's done! smile

JanieLovesLuckySocks Fri 16-Aug-13 20:27:52

Oooooh pink that's so exciting!!!! Eek!!!

ChristineDaae Fri 16-Aug-13 20:37:28

Congrats Santa!! grin
Anda glad you're being monitored well and all is good.
We're going for a surprise again this time, I loved it last time.

kjh5 Fri 16-Aug-13 21:01:20

Moment of utter panic: I'm out with a friend and clearly didn't have my baby head on because I ate two lots of toast with liver pâté before remembering it is absolutely on the banned list. Am now frantic I've done untold damage to the fetus at 4+5 Does anyone have any advice?

BumpKitty Fri 16-Aug-13 21:10:05

santa that's ace - i knew he was a boy! Was your DD early or are you just being over cautious (the 9 week thing you said).

ibip wow!! what is it like? I need to get a move on with sorting rooms out, we need to get a builder in so I really need to have a kick up the arse! Do you keep going in and peeking at the nursery? I loved washing all the baby clothes and putting them away in the nursery.

pentagon yes I think it is anterior, when the mw put the doppler on me all you could hear was placenta, she had to go in from the side and find a shoulder to find the heartbeat, but it was pretty quick to find at my 25 week and 16 week appointments so it is a bit odd. I was just worried in case it had moved and if that meant something bad.

anda what a faff, I'm glad they are looking after you though.

sorry to everyone having early pg anxiety - it is bloody awful, just keep coming here and talking to us xx

ChristineDaae Fri 16-Aug-13 21:36:02

Kjh when I was 6/7 weeks I was working a LOT and was so tired I literally forgot I was pregnant, had a glass of Champagne at the end of an important BUSY shift in work, and ate a gorgeous mousse made with raw egg. Then panicked and felt awful for forgetting.17weeks now and baby seems just fine. A lot of people haven't even found out by your stage and I would imagine there's a lot of people who find out at 6/7 weeks who've been eating and drinking all sorts on the banned list!

IBelieveInPink Fri 16-Aug-13 21:48:14

Bump - no not really, we have spent the whole day painting then popped out with friends! Left it to dry overnight, then will maybe put cot up tomorrow (eek). We are looking to sell house soon, so it isn't too 'babyish'... Going with a white and grey theme. Will put up a few butterfly wall stickers too. But is fab to finally start getting it sorted, so exciting!

LuckySocks13 Fri 16-Aug-13 21:55:09

Yey Santa smile

Experiencing belly roling smile amazebles

GuffSmuggler Fri 16-Aug-13 21:58:34

Kjh I accidentally ate pate on toast when PG with DS and he seems fairly normal. I think it might have a risk of listeria so very low.

I really wouldn't worry.

I also eat runny yoke eggs

Chocolateteabag Fri 16-Aug-13 22:01:38

Kjh - try forget about it. I think it's the potential listeria risk (which you'd know about by now) and risk of excess Vitamin A in the liver which is bad. But one extra dose won't do that much harm, and in other countries women are positively encouraged to eat liver (Canada I think)
The "rules" really are guidelines - most of which they can't give definite amounts as no one would risk clinical trials on pg ladies for how much you could really have of say alcohol or liver. So it's the easiest thing just to say to completely avoid to be on safe side.
But as already said, plenty of people find out much later in and go on to have perfectly healthy babies

Chocolateteabag Fri 16-Aug-13 22:09:17

I'm writing this enjoying lovely glad of red wine after crappy work day.
I have swollen ankles after being stuck on computer all day, no time to take proper breaks so pubic bone feels like it has a knitting needle rammed in it.
Great scan news santa - and a boy! We found out too (boy) - need to get DS ready for the change and already talking about "your baby brother" and all the things DS will be able to do (chief present opener being main one, but I'll add biscuit and cake tester and tv channel chooser to that soon)

andadietcoke Fri 16-Aug-13 22:12:02

kjh - advice: stop worrying. There's nothing you can do about it now. I've had pâté too and nothing untoward happened and it was bloody lovely

My mum, bless her, had bought pâté for me because everyone else had shellfish and I really didn't want to upset her.

Plus, I think pâté is one of those things that our mothers would have eaten tons of, and we all turned out fine!

shellsocks Fri 16-Aug-13 22:24:45

kjh also at your stage I don't think the placenta has kicked in so things don't cross over from you to the baby? Something like that anyway grin

chocolate I have been ordered by DH to have a glass of wine once or twice a week from now on for medicinal purposes....I really needed it yesterday and it was heavenly smile

kjh5 Fri 16-Aug-13 22:29:56

Thanks so much for the reassurance everyone. Feel like such an idiot! Both for eating pâté in the first place and then for the panic attack. I shall be memorising the banned food list and avoiding anything that tastes lovely I'm not allowed to eat. Xx

kjh5 Fri 16-Aug-13 22:30:56

Thanks so much for the reassurance everyone. Feel like such an idiot! Both for eating pâté in the first place and then for the panic attack. I shall be memorising the banned food list and avoiding anything that tastes lovely I'm not allowed to eat. Xx

jmf294 Sat 17-Aug-13 08:08:21

Pixie- with my elective c-sec and a toddler I found the recovery ok, I was stronger after 2 weeks and able to drive after 3-4 weeks. Compared to the emergency section which I had after labour and no sleep for 3 days it was overall much more pleasant, yes it's still a big operation but take it gently and after 2-3 weeks you will be feeling much stronger.

Andadietcoke - glad to hear they are looking after you closely, take it easy and rest if you can.

Shell- yeah for a healthy boy, lovely news.

Hope everyone else is ok- hard to name check all on my phone.
I've had a trying week, we had a new aupair come on Monday, and last night she left, leaving me with no childcare cover until I go on mat leave. Got to find a plan B fast!!
Oh well- have a lovely weekend everyone, I'm sorting out presents for my sons birthday next week- we have a trip to Warwick castle and a weekend at Peppa pig next week to look forward to!!

jmf294 Sat 17-Aug-13 08:09:23

Sorry i meant Santa not Shell re the baby boy news- sorry!

IBelieveInPink Sat 17-Aug-13 08:34:58

Aw, jmf - that sounds lovely. How old is your son? Sorry, I'm sure you have said before, I find it so hard to remember everyone's details!

I've just been wondering - when is the start of the 3rd trimester? Various sources I look on say different things - is it '27 weeks, when you start the 28th week'? If so, that's me today! Yay!

TeaAndANatter Sat 17-Aug-13 08:39:27

Santa - great scan news

Shell - how's the pain doing?

kjh - Mmmmmm pate! Have eaten brie, stinking bishop and runny eggs so far this time round. Deee-licious! Don't worry too, too much. I was perfect in my first pregnancy (practically bathed in cold water and ate nothing exciting) and still got told I must have got some sort of infection at some point not at all to cover the fact that they totally caused my lengthy and distressing birth followed by 5 days in SCBU by forcing me to lie on my back for ten hours.

andadietcoke Sat 17-Aug-13 08:49:35

ibip I think it's 26+4 but it does differ depending on where you're looking. Congratulations lovely grin

IBelieveInPink Sat 17-Aug-13 09:04:02

Yaay! Never thought I would get here! That has made me a little emotional! Only one trimester left.

Honestly - to those just worrying in the first trimester, I feel your pain. I NEVER thought I would get here. After 2 mc I was convinced we just had fertility issues, and needed to get 'another one' out of the way, so that we would get some help.
But this one seems to be a keeper. One more step to having a lovely snuggly baby.
I will later freak out that I have been so positive. The panicking doesn't stop. But I thought I would share while the positivity here, hoping that some of you early birds will see that it does get a little easier and there can be fun moments too.

Clearly feeling a little emosh, and philosophical this morning. Need decaf crap tea, that will get me back to normal.

omri Sat 17-Aug-13 09:18:05

Pink that's lovely thanks for sharing the positivity! I'm 8 and something weeks and can't imagine getting to third trimester but your post made me realise it is possible and to stop worrying so much... smile

BlackholesAndRevelations Sat 17-Aug-13 09:23:29

Aw congrats pink smile

Tea- it appears you're doing the sensible thing by having a large age gap! Although perhaps not as originally intended, these babies will come along when they're good and ready (as we all know the hard way!)

I feel ill- been overdoing it. Got an upset tummy too and home alone with my beautiful energetic, whirlwind toddler and preschooler...

JanieLovesLuckySocks Sat 17-Aug-13 09:50:17

yay go third trimester!! i know how you feel pink, i'm 26 weeks today and seriously can't i've made it this far. the worry is still there that something not nice could happen but not aaaas much as earlier on. i poked my head into the november ante natal thread for a nosey yesterday, i hadn't been in before but just to see if they were doing anything i was missing, and one of the girls had gone into hospital with the fear of reduced movements and they gave her a cs - all of a sudden she had a fighting little boy at 27weeks! hard to believe that that could be us, makes me feel so unprepared.

I posted on the last thread but then fear took over again and i stayed away. I had my 12 weeks scan last week and it moved me on a bit so im now nearly 14 weeks. Everything seemed fine and the baby was very active which was lovely. My DH is now very optimistic but im still gripped with fear.

I honestly think i will be more surprised if i get a lovely healthy baby at the end than if something dreadful goes wrong. I just seem to feel resigned to the fact that something awful is going to happen. Has anyone else felt like this or has the 12 week scan reassured people. Surely the chances that everything will be ok are higher than the chances they wont be? I wish i could stop thinking like this and just be confident that it will all be ok sad

jmf294 Sat 17-Aug-13 10:12:48

Congrats on the scan Piffy- I think the way you feel is totally normal, I still don't think I will have a baby in November.

Welcome to the third trimester Pink- eekk!!
My son will be 6- can't believe how quickly the years have gone, this time 6 years ago I was a week overdue and very fed up of waiting.

Black holes- hope you can have a rest this weekend and feel better soon.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 17-Aug-13 10:35:30

I want Pate now you BUGGERS! confused

IBelieveInPink Sat 17-Aug-13 10:39:32

Piffy - yep, been there. Had 12 week scan, was happy for all of 2 days, then had a bleed and straight back to terrified. Keep going. I promise it does get easier (a little bit). I found the 20 week scan to be the 'big' milestone I was expecting the 12 week scan to be, and every day after that gets a little better. Just read that at the end of this week, (week 27) baby will have a 95%chance of survival. So that helps.
I don't think any of us will be happy until baby in arms, but keep going. It will get easier.

andadietcoke Sat 17-Aug-13 10:41:49

ibip yay! It's a massive milestone grin

piffy it depends. For some, it goes away with every scan and every week that goes by. For me, I still feel like that at 36+4 but I have a high risk pregnancy (twins) - have often wondered if I was having a singleton pregnancy I'd have relaxed any more. I honestly don't know the answer. We still have very little for the babies in the house - it was all delivered to my parents'. I had a bit of a meltdown this week because DH wallpapered the 'nursery'. It looks lovely, but I panicked because it wasn't easily undo-able if something went wrong. I still haven't bought a changing bag because their returns policy is 14 days!

I have probably not helped myself or DH by being in denial for so long - we're not prepared at all. I have just been protecting myself - it's my way of coping.

Do whatever you have to do to get you through the day, then the week, then the month. Time will start going quicker, I promise.

andadietcoke Sat 17-Aug-13 10:56:26

Ha saggy that'll teach you to go on about fudge and take everyone down with you wink

Thanks for the replies. I feel a bit better finding out what i am feeling is normal. Its not something i can say to anyone in RL so it was good getting it off my chest. Ill just have to keep taking it day by day. Ive made it this far grin

BirdsDoIt Sat 17-Aug-13 11:00:03

Hello ladies, hope you're all doing well. I'm up in Scotland this week, mostly up mountains and far from wifi/reception so haven't had a chance to post, but have been dipping in occasionally to keep up (things move fast!)

kat really pleased to hear you had a promising sounding scan on Monday and hope you're doing ok still. I totally sympathise with your panic about what's going on in there - I'm in a similar boat, at 6 + 3 (ish) - had a MMC four months ago and whenever I think about it I'm pretty convinced that something is bound to go wrong or indeed has already gone wrong. Minimal symptoms this time round, only a bit puky in the late afternoon/evening (sick burps, nice). I only found out about previous MMC at 12 weeks but it had happened very early, at 4/5 weeks, so I'm trying not to give the idea of a baby too much head space until 8 week scan - have decided I'm going to EPU on 28 August - and keeping as busy as possible until then, and attempting to think about it as a secondary pregnancy test! i'm not 'fully' pregnant i reckon until i've seen there's actually a baby in there. And the stats are so much better once you've seen a heartbeat at 8 weeks (something like 98% of women won't miscarry once past that stage) that I sort of don't want to see an earlier 6/7 week scan and get my hopes up too much. It's all a weird psychological game I'm playing... smile It's good to have company on the journey here.

piffy even for people who are pre- 8 weeks the chances are DEFINITELY higher that we'll end up with a baby at the end of it than not. And if you're past 12 weeks then chances are very very good indeed! Does that help? That said, for me I think it's always going to be 'if' I have a baby until I actually have one in my arms, though perhaps the anxiety will recede a bit as time goes on...pink thanks for your message, that's so lovely to hear.. Woohoo for third trimester.

sleepcrisis Sat 17-Aug-13 12:17:48

Wow lots of news to catch up on.

Shell Hurrah for healthy Boy! you much still be buzzing

kjh Please don't worry, that thing about the placenta not kicking in yet definitely rings a bell (but if that were the case why can we not drink in 1st trimester?) Either way one slip so early on will make no difference I'm sure.

Pink Loving the positivity. Wish I was feeling it but not quite yet, till only 7.2wk here and still filled with dread.

piffy I felt very much like you in my first pregnancy. I think the 20 wk scan was the big milestone for me, I relaxed after that one.

kat I am not in a position to have an early scan unfortunately But I am sure I would be the same as you - I don't think a scan would reassure me for long. In some ways I think early scans don't really do a lot - but the fact is there was a very healthy baby in there on Monday and thats the most reassurance you can get. Birds is right - the odds are ALWAYS in your favour.

I've had a really tough few days. The nausea and sickness has really knocked me for six. I almost don't believe it can be a good sign to feel this unwell - its not just nausea that I could snap out of and ignore like in my first pregnancy. Its total and utter all over body lethargy and permanent feeling of 'I'm going to be sick' - but I never am. I struggle to get out of bed - this morning I woke at 10 and I'm going back to bed now. Family have been amazing and taking DS off my hands for whole afternoons at a time, but otherwise he is watching waaay too much Cbeebies and I am really struggling to engage with him. I feel like nausea and sickness are one thing but this feeling that my entire body is out of order is really freaking me out. It reminds me of what someone said earlier in the thread about the way she felt before a mmc - that she felt ill not just morning sicky. I'm sleeping badly, my digestion is up the creek and I just want to cry all the time at my inability to function. In my 1st pregnancy I carried on working long hours, travelled lots, went out in the evenings - this time I have cancelled every thing in the next 4 days and am now considering cancelling a holiday next week. And I feel like such a fraud as I'm not actually throwing up!

kjh5 Sat 17-Aug-13 12:28:57

Pink that is so lovely! So happy you are feeling the posifrickintivity today - excited for you smile You have given me hope that I'll be in your position 21 weeks from now!

Piffy congrats on your scan! You just passed a big milestone. Birds is right, the stats are on your side which can only be a good thing. You aren't alone here, we all feel worried. I am trying very hard not to be completely neurotic. Like Anda I find it helps not to think too much about the end result (although her lovely little girls will be with us very soon!) just take things a stage at a time. I'm concentrating on making it past 6weeks, then I'll have been pregnant longer than the last time. It's just a two-week wait until the 8wk scan and I'm not allowing myself to think beyond that at this point. Fx for you I am sure everything is going to go well.

Saggy consider that payback for the fudge!

kjh5 Sat 17-Aug-13 12:35:40

Thanks sleep - phoned mum this morning who echoed what you all said and told me she ate pate the entire way through her pregnancy and we all turned out almost normal. I'm not sure I can take too much comfort from that, she had three very premature babies. Completely failed to carry a pregnancy to full term.

Sounds like you are having an awful time. A friend of mine had exactly the same thing as you throughout the first trimester of her second pregnancy. She didn't have MS as bad as with her first but was exhausted and barely able to function, although it eased off between weeks 10 and 12. She had a very active toddler to contend with and I'm sure this must have added to the exhaustion. If you are really worried is it worth just making an appointment with your GP to double check things are ok? Might help with peace of mind. Sorry you are having such a rough time. Glad you have supportive family, Fx you feel better after a good sleep and some relaxations xxx

JanieLovesLuckySocks Sat 17-Aug-13 14:06:49

sorry for the early worries lots of you are having sad take one day at the time, there's not really any other way unfortunately. as someone else said, i think i'll only be relaxed when there's a real baby in my arms!

pink i love the grey / white bedroom...do you mind me asking what grey you used? we've been looking for ages nut can;t decide on the right one!

i'm out on a hen do later on....with a bunch of total party animals!!! will be difficult to be the only sober one! ut i can just escape when i feel like it so that's good smile

andadietcoke Sat 17-Aug-13 14:33:46

Argh. Midwife has just turned up unannounced and I'm bloody glad she did - BP is higher and I now have protein in my wee as well. Have to go back to the hospital at 4. Babies' hearts are fine, but I really need to stay away from google - scaring myself stupid. Amazing thing is that apart from what I've considered to be 'normal' pregnancy symptoms like nausea and heartburn, I've felt okay - if I wasn't having twins and hence more appts they wouldn't have picked this up and I wouldn't have called the midwife for this.

JanieLovesLuckySocks Sat 17-Aug-13 14:43:28

oh anda you poor thing sad hope they let you rest up and give you the care you need. best to take all their advice (as you know). try not to panic, you are in good hands xxxx

andadietcoke Sat 17-Aug-13 14:48:27

janie I know, I am. Have got myself properly worked up. I meant it was amazing that other pregnant ladies in the same situation might not get the care they needed because they didn't feel 'ill enough' hmm

BlackholesAndRevelations Sat 17-Aug-13 17:05:08

Aw Anda. Hope all is well. I'm glad you had a visit too! Know what you mean though, but then when you get to the end of pregnancy you have appointments every two weeks anyway, don't you? <brain fail>

Fingers crossed all is well (I guess there's a chance you might be meeting Marjorie and Ethel a little earlier than expected?!)

Lots of love to you xxx

IBelieveInPink Sat 17-Aug-13 17:12:21

Diet - glad you being watched so closely. Stay away from google lovely!! You know better than that! Your girls are a good size now, so IF anything were to happen, all will be fine. Hope you are being seen to as I type this!

Janie - I love grey and white, it v cute, but be warned - it's hard to find stuff for! We literally just wanted plain grey and white - no characters or anything, it's so hard to find it all! John Lewis have a basic white range - never in stock - but not going to bother with bumper etc now.
The grey we used is crown paint - cloud burst. It's a little darker than I was expecting, has a slightly purpley hint to it, but I love it now. Just been out to get some white blankets, white rug, white picture frame for the wall (lots of little frames joined - going to put black and white photos in it) and a white mobile tht DH really wanted. The bunny on it creeps me out a little. But it's the only thing he has shown a real interest in, so it's going on the cot!
If you like characters - kiddicare do a white and grey range, (with creepy bunny) and babies r us also do a white and grey pooh bear range. John Lewis do a grey stars one, but kinda clashed with our butterfly theme smile

Hope everything is well with you and your babies anda xx

JanieLovesLuckySocks Sat 17-Aug-13 17:24:14

Oh pink it sounds so lovely! I'd be tempted to do our own room like that too!! I know what you mean about characters...I'm not too keen on that either, maybe rather have little pieces you can change rather than having a whole character 'theme'. Ooh it's so exciting! This is all so real! Xx

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 17-Aug-13 17:37:06

Shell you had a boy last time? Ill lay money on this being a girl for you. I felt exactly like that with DD!
I'm very jealous of everyone decorating nurseries! This baby's giant big brother is currently occupying the future nursery! I figure we have a couple of years him to either leave home or set up camp in a caravan in the garden! He is nearly 18 so we might get lucky! confused
Anda it sounds like you are in good hands. They are keeping an eye on you and you know if they have any worries, those babies will be whipped out of there faster than you can say "Pampers"!

Ok. I take my pâté based fudge retribution! grin

BlackholesAndRevelations Sat 17-Aug-13 17:38:49

Punk- that sounds gorgeous! My bedroom is White/grey and a bit of pale pink (nicer than it sounds!!) we haven't painted yet but have a paint called silver mist which is quite pale I think. Yours sounds very tasteful.

omri Sat 17-Aug-13 17:42:25

Love the grey and white. Sounds v understated and classy (don't you know?!). Wish we weren't renting so we could do up our own style...

Janie I'm off on my lil sisters hen tonight. Still in bed as have had horrible stomach all day. And my lil sis doesn't know so will be expecting me to be having drinks and going to the night club after.dont really want to tell her my news yet. And ESP not on her hen night. Dp told me I have actually turned green. Honest to god green face and bloodshot eyes. yes, i am the hulk. Dreading this. If it was ANYthing else I'd have cancelled.
I'm just going to have to put loads of make up on and fill the handbag with crackers smile
At least my mom and other sisters will be there (and they know I'm pg)

jmf294 Sat 17-Aug-13 17:43:52

Thinking of you andadietcoke - I'm really glad they are keeping a close eye on you and your precious babies.

omri Sat 17-Aug-13 17:45:49

Anda- hope all is well And that you are being well looked after

Saggy- that's what I was thinking when I was reading about the pâté ... Hmmmmm pâté grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 17-Aug-13 18:26:14

I've been to my Dad's wedding today. It was really sweet. There wasn't a reception so the siblings and I went to McDonald's after! grin
On the way home I dragged DP and DS round Mothercare! It suddenly hit me that I'm having a baby! I had a little bit of dust in my eye for a while! confused
Sadly, I have fallen madly in love with the Stokke Explory pram. I'd better start saving! confused it costs more than my car did! grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 17-Aug-13 18:28:14

I'm avoiding pâté, but I'm going to make Malteser fudge later! grin

BumpKitty Sat 17-Aug-13 18:33:48

ibip that sounds lovely. It did make me think of when DD projectile pooed up the wall though! Newborn poo is an amazing colour range, this was bright bright yellow - which was luckily the colour of her walls grin, remember to point the bum away from the beautiful walls!

anda I hope all is going well at the hospital xx

Bodicea Sat 17-Aug-13 18:34:14

ooh nurseries. We are having yellow, grey and white. with a bit of an elephant theme.
We have finally painted it in yellow and going to get some grey elephant wall stickers from not on the high street. The furniture's all white.
Pink agree with you that grey and white (and yellow) is difficult especially if you want plain stuff and no weird theme. I am searching high and low for some plain grey and white striped curtains and cant find anything. Thinking of buying some material now and getting mum to make and getting a proper fitted blackout blind.
Seen a rather expensive elephant night light which DH wont let me buy. Might work on him!
I really don't like most of the themes on nursery stuff. Problem is I got inspired by lots of grey and yellow nursery photos which turned out to be american - they seem to have a lot more nice stuff over there :-(

Anda hope you are OK and glad you are being looked after.

PS I had pate early on in pregnancy at a buffet. Just didnt think. Also eat runny yolks, feta, hallumi. live yoghurt and the odd slurp of wine.

BlackholesAndRevelations Sat 17-Aug-13 18:49:25

Live yoghurt? Is that a forbidden food? shock

Bump- my DD did the same! Dp was dead impressed at her range grin

BlackholesAndRevelations Sat 17-Aug-13 18:50:27

Ps we also had lovely yellow walls!

JanieLovesLuckySocks Sat 17-Aug-13 18:50:52

bod - ikea have some lovely fabrics and they aren't tooooo pricey - ikea there's one but maybe not the right stripe

omri good luck at the hen tonight - i was at a hen when i was about 5 weeks pg, managed to survive on soda water and lime - i said i didn't want to do rounds as i wasn't drinking much due to an upset tummy - it worked smile

JanieLovesLuckySocks Sat 17-Aug-13 18:51:15

and i thought feta was fine? i've had loads?!

BlackholesAndRevelations Sat 17-Aug-13 18:53:56

I'm sure feta is fine if it's pasteurised? I only eat it if it says so on the pack... Also asked the staff in nandos to check if the feta on their med salad was pasteurised!

Omri- good luck for tonight!! Sounds like janie has a good plan!

andadietcoke Sat 17-Aug-13 19:28:36

Hello all, back from the hospital. Back again on Monday now. BP still high but no protein so that's good. Hopefully by Monday the BP medication will have started to work. Have been told to call tomorrow if I feel unwell or don't feel movement.

It was all a bit fraught there - a bbc camera crew were filming a woman labouring so all the midwives were a bit stressed - felt really sorry for them.

Loving the interior decorating. We've got the Timbuktales range from
Mamas and Papas -
www.mamasandpapas.com/products.php?category=nursery-interiors/shop-by-type/co-ordinating-collections/timbuktales-new

Bodicea Sat 17-Aug-13 19:32:27

OMG Janie that is perfect. Didnt know ikea did materials. Thanks for the tip.

MAybe live yoghurt isnt banned. Just onbe person said that to me. Anyways been munching on it every day!

Bodicea Sat 17-Aug-13 19:36:19

Slightly confused about the way it is sold though confused olnly three pieces left at my local store but no eplanation of the size of them!

JanieLovesLuckySocks Sat 17-Aug-13 19:46:35

Anda glad they're looking after you well x

Bod anytime I've bought material there you just ask for a length and they'll cut it for you then they weigh it to price it I think! Simples! They might have 3 big spools (?) of it. Maybe worth giving them a call first if its far away from you x

BlackholesAndRevelations Sat 17-Aug-13 19:47:08

Glad you're ok Anda! smile

sleepcrisis Sat 17-Aug-13 20:03:23

anda really thinking of you and your babies, great that try are monitoring you so closely.

All this nursery talk sounds fun. Not sure what we're going to do about nursery as we'd always agreed DCs could share so that we keep much needed and used spare room. But now I'm actually pg Inreally want a nursery! DS's nursery was gorgeous in our old house, it was painted a Blu/greeny grey with white painted floorboards and white furniture. And big fluffy sheepskin. Anyway I can let myself think that far ahead with this one.

Still feeling horrific - so, so nauseous and slept for 3 hours this afternoon. Thinking of heading back there soon. I have made it out of the house today though which is a bit of a real trough. I just feel so so weak and pathetic.

Also found out today that a friend is expecting with the same due date as me, bizarre hey. But of course all I can think is that she will have a beautiful baby at the end of it and I won't. Talk about negative thinking. I told DH that and he just looke so despairing. It must be pretty hard to be around me at the moment!

sleepcrisis Sat 17-Aug-13 20:03:57

Oh have also been thinking maybe it's twins - surely I can't feel this bad with just one baby in there!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 17-Aug-13 20:11:43

Definitely a girl! wink

sleepcrisis Sat 17-Aug-13 20:15:53

I do kind of hope so, without sounding spoilt or selfish- obv would love another lovely boy but one of each would be perfect!

andadietcoke Sat 17-Aug-13 20:42:26

jmf I've just remembered you said you were starting an MBA. Who's it through? I graduated in October last year and absolutely loved it when I settled in to it. I have loads of books I bought that I'll probably never open again if you have a reading list?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sat 17-Aug-13 20:42:45

<<whispers>> I'm hoping for a girl too. I have a name, it feels like she is who is missing! IYSWIM!

jmf294 Sat 17-Aug-13 21:01:54

Andadietcoke - it's through Uni of Herts, my local uni. I'm having a bit of a wobble about doing it as I have childcare problems due to the aupair leaving, and not sure how I can manage everything as already exhausted!! Please tell me I can manage it.

About to open the crumbly fudge- sod the indigestion and weight gain.

Pentagon Sat 17-Aug-13 22:39:19

anda glad you're being looked after so well and, most importantly, everything is fine!

piffy congratulations on your good scan! I understand the hesitation to get excited.... I was like that during my first (successful) pregnancy (after a MMC). I didn't announce it till I was 20 weeks (didn't announce it at all on FB, only after I had the baby) and even then when people congratulated me, I was like "well, things can still go wrong at any time". Thankfully, everything went well and this time it's a bit easier to be optimistic (despite having had a second MMC before the current pregnancy). Maybe you'll start feeling more positive after the 20-week scan and once you can feel the baby move

sleep you shouldn't be thinking this way but I'd probably be the same...fingers crossed for successful pregnancies for both you and your friend!

pink your nursery sounds lovely, I'm tempted to redecorate ours! But we're having a loft conversion done at the moment so there's enough to do as it is!

omri enjoy the hen do!

IBelieveInPink Sun 18-Aug-13 00:34:53

Been through decorating hell this evening! We bought a new light for the nursery, which required a new light fitting to be wired in. DH thought he would give it a go bless him, managed to blow the fuse, blow the light switch, have the hallway lights flickering and the bathroom light switch controlling the bedroom light! One massive stress later, I managed to figure it out and fix it! So smug right now, and considering a career change to electrician. smile could have done without it though!!

Diet - so pleased all is good, mid electrical crisis I was wondering how you were!

Thanks for all the comments on the nursery smile we are really enjoying doing it! (electrics aside!)

Bod - if you are having elephant theme, have you seen the white and grey elephant grow bags in John Lewis? We got one as it matches, SO cute.

jellyandcake Sun 18-Aug-13 06:59:33

Hello! I've been up since 4am and given up on sleep now so have read the thread and reassured (though sad) to see that everyone feels like me i.e terrified of another mc.

I had an early mc just short of six weeks in June. I am now four weeks pg - only got my BFP a few days ago and I just can't get excited as I'm so afraid of it happening again. I am lucky enough to already have a little boy (2.5) and had first-timer nerves all through that pregnancy so was really hoping to relax and enjoy this one!

I discovered the last mc was coming by taking another pg test which was negative - after a dream that I was having a mc and a niggling sense that I just didn't feel pg anymore. So this time I am testing every day and just ordered another twenty tests which I know is stupid and meaningless anyway as I know many people get a positive even after mc so it's pointless! Am just a nervous miserable wreck!

ChristineDaae Sun 18-Aug-13 07:17:30

Ibip well done on the light! That smug feeling when you figure something 'DIY' out when DO can't us great!
Anda glad you're back home and they are keeping an eye on you.
Jelly - I think so far you're acting pretty normal. I did at least 10 tests this time round. Which I knew was stupid coz last time I was still getting strong positives after the MC for a few weeks. But just seeing that line get darker was enough to get through the first few weeks.
Random non pregnancy related moan - iv done something to my knee and its hurting so badsad I knelt down to read DDs bedtime story last night, and something moved of clicked or something, was like a hurt so bad I might vomit. Now it seems to click in and out depending what position my leg is in.

BlackholesAndRevelations Sun 18-Aug-13 07:35:14

jelly- I've only started to relax a little since having the 20 week scan. Had an early scan at 8 weeks, which made me feel a bit better. Then 12 week scan- again a bit better. Then was utterly convinced there'd be something wrong at 20 weeks. ThNk god all looks ok so now I'm starting to think we might will actually have a new baby in December. All perfectly normal feelings. Congrats on the bfp and fingers crossed it sticks!

Christine- ouch- have you got an out of hours doc near you? Could you have dislocated something? Sounds horrible.

In other news I have had the best nights sleep in MONTHS and feel amazing for it! Was feeling seriously ropey last week.

MotorcycleMama Sun 18-Aug-13 08:22:02

Welcome jelly and congrats on your BFP! Only natural to worry after what happened last time, but just because it happened last time does not mean it will happen again! In fact it's more likely to be successful than not. Like you I tested loads in the beginning, moving from HPTs to beta hcg bloods and now, it seems to scans! Nothing seems to reassure me for more than a day or two, but I'm pretty sure that will change if when things progress as they should. A positive scan at 9 weeks helped. This thread is a very good source of support.

Poor you christine - sounds like you need to see the GP!

Welcome jelly congratulationsthankssmile

christine hope you get checked out soon, sounds painful x

blackholes same here think i won't relax until my anomanly scan this fri!

Anda Glad all is well, hope you are being well looked after x

20 weeks today, feels like a real milestonesmile, halfway!!! Never did i think i would get this far, my panicking i hope is nearly almost over as i have my anomonaly this fri eeek!
Baby is moving like a trooper now, movements are helping me feel less anxious.

BumpKitty Sun 18-Aug-13 09:55:39

Hi jelly sorry for your mc but congratulations on the BFP, you are in excellent company here.

anda glad you are back home

ibip I'm very impressed, both that your DH would attempt electrical stuff and that you fixed it.

christine definitely get it looked at - you don't want to knacker your knee up by walking on it when it isn't right.

pumpkin good luck for your 20 weeker are you finding out?

I have the most horrible cough, I have pulled all the muscles along the bottom of my bump hacking my guts up sad I miss medecine

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Sun 18-Aug-13 10:09:49

Welcome Jelly. This is a fantastic thread for support.
Anda it won't be long now! Hang in there! grin
IBIP well done for trying! I once spent the afternoon wiring in some new wall lights. I did a fantastic job, they looked great, and when I turned the fuse back on, the came on instantly.
Sadly, they never went off, because the ones I'd taken down had individual switches built in and these didn't! I couldn't turn them off! I had to take the bulbs out! grin
Christine have you tried a short walk? My knee often pops out of alignment, a walk sometimes helps.
Pumpkin YAY for 20 weeks! grin

JanieLovesLuckySocks Sun 18-Aug-13 10:38:49

hi jell - congrats on your bfp smile you;re in a good place with these ladies, best support group around smile

pink i'm so impressed with your electrician skills! in your face boys! i might go get some grey paint today eek!

yay for the 20 week club - another milestone!

i managed to survive the hen, was great craic until we went to the club and i instantly got sleepy (although baby seems to LOVE dirty hip hop beats!!) so glad to be feeling fresh today! i know the rest of them are probably still partying! omri hope you had a good night smile

Forester Sun 18-Aug-13 11:17:21

Hi all. It's been a week since my first post as by the time I catch up on the posts I don't have time to do my own post!

I'm very edgy at the moment as I'm 9 weeks tomorrow - which is about the time I had a MMC last time. I don't think I've ever felt as stressed as I have since I found out I was pg. I'll be glad to get past the next week and then I'll be hanging out for my 12 week scan. I hoping if that all goes ok I'll be able to relax a bit. But maybe not....

To add to the comments about having an early scan I would have a bit of a reservation about having a private scan. I had a private scan last time at 10 weeks just because we were due to be on holiday over the 12 week scan and didn't want to go away without checking that everything was ok. I had no reason to believe there was any problems (though with hindsight there probably was) so a bit of a shock to be told I'd had a MMC. Was then advised to go to the EPU but the EPU wanted me to come back to have another scan with them the following day just to be sure. It was frustrating as there was no doubt (no heartbeat and baby 1 week too small) so just added to the pressure. And which is why I don't want to go for a private scan this time around. But if I was offered an early scan at the EPU I'd want to have that.

On the more positive side of things I've been enquiring about pre-natal pilates. Has anyone done this before? I haven't done pilates before but my pelvic floor is not what it was pre DD and while it's fine at the moment that may not be the case later pregnancy / after labour. Also my tummy got very big last time and one of my friends has had problems with her stomach muscles post DD2 so I want to try to prevent the same thing happening.

Will try to keep to shorter / more regular posts from now on!

Bodicea Sun 18-Aug-13 14:20:43

Janice's glad you had a fab hen
Party. Just dubbed out of one for the end of September. It's at the other end of he country and I would be travelling down on my own. Feel really bad about it but just don't think I could manage the journey on my own well. Gutted.

New pregnancy thing noted today. freckles all the way up my cheekbones. Don't normally get freckles much.

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GuffSmuggler Sun 18-Aug-13 20:14:50

Janie I'm impressed you managed a hen do, I'm asleep by about 9pm these days!! Zzzzzzzz

Hope you're ok anda, glad they are looking after you well.

Only one more whole day to get through until scan on Tuesday....! confused

Forester Sun 18-Aug-13 22:13:29

Good luck with the scan Guff.

TeaAndANatter Mon 19-Aug-13 08:32:59

Crossing everything for Christine's knee, Anda's allround good health, and Guff's scan tomorrow (plus anyone I missed out).

Had a complete flaky batso meltdown on Saturday night, and sobbed for two hours (bit unlike me, I'm usually in the middle of the flaky bell curve). Told husband that I was quite certain this one was dead, and there was no point waiting to find out, and he should leave me at once for someone else. He quite sensibly told me I was talking utter mince, and sat with me whilst I spouted rot.

Ugh.

Pentagon Mon 19-Aug-13 10:40:21

gggrrr, I've just written sth and lost it!!

guff good luck with your scan today!

tea you must have freaked out your poor DH smile But I know where you're coming from... I was really dismissive during my booking appointment with the midwife, I said something along the lines of "I've had 2 MMCs, I have no idea how this one is going so it's very likely that I'm wasting your time". She didn't know what to say to me!

Janie I didn't realise you had a hen do as well - I hope you had fun!

pumpkin yay for 20 weeks!! I hope you manage to stay strong till Friday, I don't even want to remember how stressed I was in the lead-up to my anomaly scan

ibip I'm impressed by your electrician skills!

jmf from the sounds of it we don't live too far from each other (well, by London - and surrounding areas - standards). I'm in Middlesex but only 5 minutes from the Hertfordshire border!

Pentagon Mon 19-Aug-13 10:44:30

jelly I forgot to say welcome & congratulations! It's a scary time but fingers crossed everything goes well for you!

GuffSmuggler Mon 19-Aug-13 11:07:33

Scan is tomorrow at 12! I have one more whole day to wait.... <and breathe>

Hope you're feeling better tea I think it helps to sometimes let it all out and then pick yourself up and dust yourself down. TODAY YOU ARE PREGNANT grin

kjh5 Mon 19-Aug-13 11:20:33

Guff I have my fingers and toes crossed for you (no mean feat) and I'm sure that tomorrow is going to be just fine. I can only imagine how nervous you must be!

Tea your DH sounds lovely! And breakdowns are inevitable. The helplessness is the worst feeling about this - I hate that there is nothing you can do to control the outcome!

Logged onto FB this morning to discover a really good friend is due on the same date as I would have been if I hadn't MC'd. I knew they were trying and I was half expecting an announcement soon but it felt like such a kick to the gut (making me feel like an evil bitch). I'm trying to muster up some excitement for them but I feel so devastated even although I am pg now. We're in the 5th week and I'm terrified that I am going to MC this weekend. To make matters worse DH is away and everyone I know is heading off somewhere lovely so I am going to be stuck at home by myself... massively struggling with the posifrickintivity today.

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WhatWillSantaBring Mon 19-Aug-13 11:59:10

Oh, tea and kjh - sorry you're feeling emotionally beaten up. Its shit, in every possible way, these early stages of pg after mc. Just do what you have to do to survive. So kjh don't worry about how you're feeling about your friend. I had the same and was shocked at myself at how evil, shallow and bitchy I felt, because it was so unlike me. But it is entirely natural to want to scratch the eyes out of anyone who has sailed through pg, so let yourself feel that way, and know that actually when it comes to seeing her/her baby, you feel very differently because you're not a shallow evil bitch really. Its just your mind's way of protecting yourself.

My booking appt ended abruptly with me sobbing and saying I couldn't do it. The mw was an angel, took the bare minimum of details I needed to get booked in for the dating scan, and then made a follow up appointment for after the dating scan to do all the paperwork.

guff - good luck tomorrow.

Keeping my fingers crossed that anda is OK. She said they were filming - there's a bbc documentary about midwives starting this week, so I wonder if that's the hospital she's in. If you're reading this, anda I hope you're relaxed - even if you're having to be constantly monitored or are stuck in hospital, I would rather you were relaxed but bored than stressing.

GuffSmuggler Mon 19-Aug-13 12:29:04

Yes kat is the 12 week. Feel so sick and terrified as it was the 12 week scan we found out last time. BUT I've had a good 7 week scan and am trying so hard to keep positive.

Has felt like an endless wait to get to tomorrow but you will get through it too because you just have to. I think you are right to focus on the small milestones, that is what is getting me through.

kjh5 Mon 19-Aug-13 12:32:08

Thanks so much Kat and Santa - have wrapped myself up in a blanket and broken out the good cookies and am sitting here reading a trashy book while being mauled by an overactive kitten. Should be enough of a distraction from the self pity!

Kat you are right - you just have to take it one day at a time. Enjoy the posifrickintivity when it comes along and try and ride out the lows. We have two weekends to get through until 8wk scan (well it'll be 7+5 when they do it) so I am trying to plan nice, distracting things for us to do between now and then. If we can just make it through to next week without any bleeding I might start to feel a bit better. We have done something similar to what you have done. I have a calendar with key dates on it. Gradually adding more details to it as we go along, hoping it is going to coincide with an increase in confidence and belief that this pg might work out!

Santa the MW sounds very understanding. How much longer until your scan? As hard as it is - sometimes we need to try and believe that this is actually going to happen tries desperately to take own advice

Hoping Anda is ok xx

andadietcoke Mon 19-Aug-13 12:52:41

Hello all, yes, am fine, but feeling sorry for myself and very anxious so didn't want to be all maudlin and me me me.

I'm back in mat triage for the fourth time in four days. Wish they'd just keep me in - it would be so much leas hassle than spending 4 hours a day here.

The babies are fine but my blood pressure is still high - the beta blockers don't seem to have had any effect. Haven't seen a doctor since Friday so just waiting for that now.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 19-Aug-13 13:06:41

Anda do what I did when dd went overdue...
When the doctor says "we will book you in for x day" turn round and say "sod that, I've got my bags, find me a bed I'm staying!" grin
Induction started later that day!

andadietcoke Mon 19-Aug-13 13:47:55

Oh saggy I'd love to. But I had to fight for 38+2 which is still 10 sleeps away, and the doctor's already told me she wants to carry on working towards that. She's just been back and said she wants to do a full examination but have to wait for her to finish in theatre again, so should see her around half two. I've been here since 9.30!

Santa from what I can gather it was the father the film crew was following, rather than the mother or the hospital/midwives. All I know is it was for the BBC.

IBelieveInPink Mon 19-Aug-13 13:59:36

Urgh diet- how frustrating! Still, at least every day is a step towards the date you wanted. It is the most unfortunately stressful end to a stressful pregnancy - but look at it that way. 10 sleeps (max) and you will have your babies. Not long now.

I completely understand on the friend envy. My friend who had been through many miscarriages herself, helped - she said that she wasn't jealous of other people being pregnant - because those were their babies. And she didn't want those babies, she wanted her own baby. While I know it doesnt help with the sadness and stress, it really helped me not get jealous of others that were pregnant. Don't know if this will help anyone else but thought I'd throw it out there smile

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 19-Aug-13 13:59:58

Anda you aren't manipulative enough! wink did you cry? Was there snot? Can you not "go on another day with this worry?" And you should definitely come over a bit faint..... grin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 19-Aug-13 14:02:03

IME, there's a better chance of being taken in at the start of the week. My local hospital does NOT like admitting people into maternity if they are likely to be in for weekend! Give them hell! wink

IBelieveInPink Mon 19-Aug-13 14:27:27

Ooh. I'm going to the saggy school of dramatics when it comes to my turn! There is a lady who knows how to get what she wants!!!

WhatWillSantaBring Mon 19-Aug-13 14:29:57

I heard that too, pink - it was one of those maxims I heard that did really help. They are not having your baby. Another one is "there is no limit on the number of women who can be pregnant at any one time". Both are completely obvious, but you do have to repeat them to yourself a lot to start believing them to be true.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 19-Aug-13 14:32:56

grin
<<polishes nails>>
It's taken years of practice! wink

sleepcrisis Mon 19-Aug-13 15:30:23

Wow, I do try to catch up with this thread every day buut you guys are so chatty! Don't know where to begin.

kjh Not sure if you saw my post a few days ago but I have exactly thing with a friend being due on my due date of the mc. I also felt devastated despite having fallen pregnant again quite quickly. I just feel so envious that she has got past the 12 week wait and I am still only 7.5 weeks. Seems like such a long hard slog ahead to get where she is now. I'm sure it's totally normal to feel like that. I am also in bed with ginger nuts while MIL takes DS to the park!

Santa your mw sounds lovely. I bloody hope mine is like that in a few days when I should have my booking app. I very much doubt it though - I've already been told no early scans unless bleeding so I doubt my tears will help. Actually I've found it really hard to cry recently. I had some very bad news yesterday and I just couldn't cry. DOn't know whats the matter with me.

I've been up and down this weekend. had a much longed for lull in sickness (about an hour) and convinced DH the pg was over. Its now back with avengance.

Also have started to believe its ectopic. Would that be showing itself so late (nearly 8 wks)? I have this funny pain in my lower back but its in a really specific place - to the left of my spine. Maybe kidney kind of area. Although I'm 90% sure I ovulated from the right side when I concieved as I get quite distinctive ovulation pains. But my mind is still running away with this one. Might ask the mw when she calls back with my booking app date later one...

sleepcrisis Mon 19-Aug-13 16:15:01

Ok screw everything I just said about not crying - I just burst into tears on phone to midwife when she called to say that she still hasn't received my referral from GP (I saw them 2 weeks ago!) and she can't book me in yet. I just really wanted to start the ball rolling and hopefully talk them into giving me an early scan. Anyway my tears did nothing and she still said I wouldn't be able to get one and just to wait to hear from them re booking. Will probably be another week now...

RainbowConnections Mon 19-Aug-13 16:17:41

Hi all.
I can join Sleep Tea and others on the ups and downs. I have completely lost any posifrickintivity. Woke up at 2 this morning wishing i could rewind 6 months to before MCs and pregnancy. Pulled myself together enough to play with DS. Now at airport by myself to travel home for a funeral having discovered none of my smart clothes fit (bloated & cake-weight gain). Haven't slept more than a couple of hours last few nights. Will prob feel better if i could get a good nights sleep. (Funeral is relative i havent seen in 15 years so stressful rather than very sad.)

Even on good days I've been having terrible anxiety dreams since MC about things happening to DS so not feeling good leaving him for a night.

Oh well. Tomorrow is a new day (after the funeral anyway).

Anda hows that for me me me wallowing?!
Hope you're ok. Sounds frustrating but like you are being taken care of. Not long now. x

Guff, what time's your scan tomorrow? (sorry if you have already said)

I absolutely love the posts about feeling kicks, reaching 20 wk and 3rd trimester milestones and nursery decorating. They really give me hope in these early weeks.

Sleep did I see an earlier post that your EDD was 1 April? Mine too.

sleepcrisis Mon 19-Aug-13 17:29:06

rainbow yes, due 1st April as well. Although I have convinced myself its all over this afternoon and am also all out of positivity. I am very much wallowing.

(Just started another thread on this - my horrendous Morning sickness is on its way out already at just 7 and a bit weeks. It was coming and going last night and today, but in last couple of hours its pretty much gone completely. I've convinced myself I've definitely miscarried. First pregnancy I felt sick until 11 weeks...)

on plus side mw has pulled out stops and I have booking tommorrow at 2pm. fingers crossed she pities me and gives in to my pleas for a scan

Pixielady83 Mon 19-Aug-13 17:43:45

Hi ladies sorry to hear so many of you are feeling scared and worried sad as I've said before the only thing that helped me was to stay as busy as possible and mostly pretend to myself I wasn't pregnant (apart from when it came to wine obviously!). This has been a bit easier because we have told so few people so I haven't needed to talk about it. I really hope the days pass quickly for you.

Guff loads of luck for tomorrow.

Anda you must be getting so frustrated. A friend of mine used the 'I haven't felt baby move all day' card to finally be admitted, worth a try?

Yay for 20 weeks and 3rd trimester ladies smile

I am feeling quietly positive this week in the run up to my 12 wk scan on Friday. I figured I may as well feel positive as if the worst happens there will be plenty of time to feel devastated afterwards but horrible thoughts do creep up now and again. I feel pretty pregnant this week, my hips and pelvis has been painful for days so think SPD or PGP has set in now. I told my manager today hoping she might mention doing some working from home but instead she said I might want to think about reducing my hours - they are due to go up in Sept to cover a colleague, so I don't have to do the extra but I've booked DD in at nursery now so I kinda need those hours to cover the extra nursery costs confused

Bodicea Mon 19-Aug-13 18:00:59

Hey pixie if you do reduce your hours and it affects your pay you should definatley not do it before the allotted time they use to work out your maternity pay if you get more than stat pay. I think its somewhere between 20 and 28 weeks xxxx

Lieslvontrapp Mon 19-Aug-13 18:11:50

Good luck guff for the scan tomorrow! And good luck to pumkin & pixie for scans on Friday! I've got my 16 wk appointment on Friday and hoping the midwife will dopple me. Would be lovely and reassuring to hear a heartbeat.

Pixielady83 Mon 19-Aug-13 19:22:02

Bod you are right I need to keep an eye on when that is!

Forester Mon 19-Aug-13 19:49:31

Fingers crossed sleep that you get your early scan and all is well.

I had my booking in appointment with the Doctor a week ago so I'm planning on calling hospital to see if I've got a date for the scan. I'm not expecting one before 12 weeks but I want to know the date so that I can tick off the days. Unfortunately I am unable to follow pixie's advice and try to ignore that I am pg - my pg and previous MMC is consuming my every waking moment.

andadietcoke Tue 20-Aug-13 04:21:12

guff massive good luck wishes for today. Let us know how you get on.

I was eventually admitted last night. Current management plan appears to be to keep giving me more and more medication until eventually it has an effect. BP checks overnight have been better. They've talked about changing my medication but not about delivering earlier.

37+0 today though grin

GardenWorm Tue 20-Aug-13 06:50:48

Wow Anda 37 weeks, you are one awesome mummy to be! Glad you have been admitted (if only because at least then you have a little bit less stress with the to-ing and fro-ing). I notice you posted at twenty past four this morn! I hope they haven't put you on a ward full of new borns where you can't get any sleep or something as silly. Really not long for you to wait now. Eeeeeek! grin

Good luck with your scan today Guff xxx

I'm in Devonia at the mo, going camping for a couple of nights tomorrow...DD has never been before but is very excited about being in a tent! Any tips? smile

BlackholesAndRevelations Tue 20-Aug-13 06:59:42

Oh Anda, why don't they just deliver the girls now? 37 weeks is full term and you've done a bloody amazing job keeping them in there this long! Instead of pumping you full of drugs wouldn't it make more sense....?

flowers xx

Good luck for the scan, guff!!

RainbowConnections Tue 20-Aug-13 07:06:45

Good luck today Guff.

jmf294 Tue 20-Aug-13 07:12:46

Hope your scan goes well Guff.

Andadietcoke - thinking of you and your girls, hope your BP settles and your girls come soon. 37 weeks is amazing, I can't imagine how that feels as at 25 weeks with just one I feel big enough.

Pentagon - sounds like we are very close geographically! I am just near Watford.

BirdsDoIt Tue 20-Aug-13 07:25:26

guff best of luck for scan today! Will be thinking of you.

pixie I'm desperately trying to adopt your approach as well - distracting myself from pg as much as possible, and attempting when I do think about it neither to get my hopes up too much or be too relentlessly negative. I agree there's no point in putting yourself through all the worst case scenarios until they're actually happening. Just taking it one day at a time and slowly inching towards towards 8 week scan - like kat I've circled that date in my calendar and am counting down - when i find myself getting really stressy, i count the days again and tell myself we can't know anything constructive before then anyway. kat when is your 8-weeker? I've decided I'm going to epu walk-in clinic next wed 28 August when I should be 8 weeks (or only a couple of days short of 8 weeks if I've got my dates a bit wrong). sleep and tea and kjh and any other early pg ladies I've stupidly forgotten - hope you're hanging on in there. sleep was it you worrying about morning sickness coming and going? If it helps (poss not!) mine definitely does that too depending on what I've eaten, how tired I am, etc. not that it's very bad but I was ludicrously pleased when I was dry retching yesterday morning and this morning I feel a bit queasy but basically fine, but I think it doesn't necessarily 'mean' anything.

pumpkin congrats on 20 weeks! Amazing! Like someone else said, I love hearing about all these milestones and nursery decorating etc - makes me feel like perhaps it is actually possible to end up with a baby at the end of it all rather than just a ton of anxiety. When I think about it I can't quite believe there are actually women out there who go through this process with all this heartache. Though even if my first pg had been straightforward I don't think I'd have been like a couple of the ladies on the October bus who started discussing buggies to buy at about 6 weeks pg!!!

anda really glad they've admitted you and hope that helps with the stress levels and you're able to get some sleep - at least you don't have to go back and forth now. 37 weeks woo hoo!

Sorry for bumper post - back from Scotland now so can check daily, and post shorter messages but just wanted to get all that off my chest...

BirdsDoIt Tue 20-Aug-13 07:29:21

Ha ha just stood up too fast from sofa after typing this and had to do a little puke into my (empty) cereal bowl! Nice. Am I over sharing? smile

ChristineDaae Tue 20-Aug-13 07:32:29

Anda how exciting! Hope the girls are here soon! 37 weeks is great going for twins!
Guff - good luck for your scan today.
I am having scan doom already, so scared that something is wrong, but just keep trying to tell myself it's natural paranoia after the MC and the hell-ish time we had pregnant with DD.
Knee update - it doesn't hurt so long as I don't bend it too far/kneel on it. I'm going to give it a few days and see if it eases off. I have both jobs today, one sitting on my bum all day and the second waitressing in the busiest restaurant in the area. I figure if the rest doesn't help I can try shake it off at job 2 tonight!

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Swangirl Tue 20-Aug-13 08:25:12

Guff- Good Luck with your scan today What time is it?
Anda- I hope the blood pressure medicine works soon I am glad they admitted you all that going backwards and forwards to the hospital would have driven me mad.

Lieslvontrapp Tue 20-Aug-13 08:50:38

37 weeks is amazing anda! Really not long now! Hope the medication helps the bp and if not maybe they will decide to deliver sooner. Keep us updated! X

shellsocks Tue 20-Aug-13 08:52:24

Sorry not posting much, things are tough so not got much to say that isn't a moan wink

But am thinking of you all the time anda you really have done well to get to 37w with twins so whenever they take you down now you should just be excited to meet your two little girls smile Hope you're getting some rest in there wink

And big love to everyone in the wait for 12/20w stress fest, it is so tough but worth it when you get to the end like anda smile

GuffSmuggler Tue 20-Aug-13 08:58:19

Thanks everyone, scan is at 12, feel sick!

About to package DS off to his grandparents so I'll check back in later.

Hope you're ok anda you've done AMAZINGLY well to get to 37 weeks with twins, well done you x

JanieLovesLuckySocks Tue 20-Aug-13 09:24:14

Oh ands so close!! Annoying being in hospital but hopefully comforting knowing that you're in good car smile thinking of you and wishing you all the luck in the world if you meet your girls early smile eek!!

Guff good luck today, will be thinking if you at 12 x

Pentagon Tue 20-Aug-13 09:28:43

guff all the best for today!!!

anda 37 weeks - whoop, whoop! You're doing so well! I'm glad you've been admitted and are being monitored constantly, not long now!

jmf we're close indeed! smile

To all the ladies in the first trimester, I really sympathise...it's nerve-racking and all you can do is wait and deal with the anxiety (which can be crippling sometimes) in any way you can. You forget all about it when you have a good scan at 12 weeks - I have everything crossed for all of you! Miscarriage is awful...I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy and envy women who have never been through it.

BirdsDoIt Tue 20-Aug-13 09:46:33

kat only 12 days between now and then! Not that long! Although I know every day grinds by SOOO slowly. This morning I circled the day of my scan on my pregnacare pills so I can see how many there are to go before 8 weeks...childish tactics but it makes me feel I'm getting somewhere albeit at snail's pace.

christine glad your knee's feeling better - did you go to gp in the end?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 20-Aug-13 09:58:24

* Miscarriage is awful...I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy and envy women who have never been through it.*
This^^
I actually had to leave the March Bus because I couldn't cope with their optimism. They just seem so innocent and I just feel so old and cynical!

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Rockchick1984 Tue 20-Aug-13 10:24:42

Hi all, not been around for a while - found that reading about pregnancy loss wasn't helping me stay positive so tried to avoid anything to do with it for a while. Scan doom has now set in, I'm 12 weeks today and have scan on Thursday. Currently want to cry whenever I think about it. How do you all cope / have you all coped? Can't stop thinking that the last time I went to ultrasound was for previous 12 week scan where I found out about my MMC (EPU scans are in a different part of the hospital). I'm terrified sad

Guff good luck for today.

omri Tue 20-Aug-13 10:43:54

Guff best of luck for today. Let us know how you get on!

Anda, thinking of you and hope all goes really well for you. Lucky you to be so close to meeting your little girls.

Rock chick, I'm only 10 wks and already have scan doom. Can't imagine what I'll be like the week of. Distraction distraction distraction I suppose. Cinema, shops, visiting friends all helps. And cakes.

By the way wondering if anyone is drinking coffee. I'd love a cup today but feel its a big no no. But if I'm not really drinking any tea surely a milky coffee is no big deal..... Just wondering if anyone here is still drinking little cups of coffee..

MotorcycleMama Tue 20-Aug-13 10:45:15

rockchick I think we're probably all in the same boat as you - I certainly am. I feel so anxious and doom-laden that it makes getting through the day a real struggle. The thing is though, throughout this pregnancy so far, I have constantly felt like it must be all over, but then have had a positive HPT/beta hcg/ scan. I guess what I'm saying is that you are dealing with past trauma, but it doesn't mean that it will repeat itself. You're more likely for everything to go right, than for it to go wrong. It is so hard, I know. Best of luck with your scan. X

BlackholesAndRevelations Tue 20-Aug-13 11:16:29

Omri- you're allowed 200 mg of caffeine a day, which is 4 cups of tea (tea is 50, can of diet coke is 40 I think). I have been having one or two cups of tea every day and a can of coke too most days I think there is more caffeine in coffee than tea but you can still have one or two! Google caffeine content x

kjh5 Tue 20-Aug-13 11:35:01

omri have your coffee - guidelines are not to have more than 200mg a day. I don't drink tea so treat myself to one cup of filter coffee a morning (that's 140mg) instant is less - there is a list on the BBC of how much caffeine is in tea and coffee, coke and choc (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15982904). I don't think a cup will do any harm.

Sleep how are you feeling today? My MS comes and goes, yesterday I had barely any and no sore boobs, today I woke up feeling like death. Although I haven't actually even puked or retched yet... can't believe I actually yearn to feel so ill I need to stick my head down the loo! Kat yay on orange juice nausea!! Hang in there, my scan is 5 days after yours on a Sat morning. I'll be 7+6 by then if I make it that far so dealing with time in weekends. Two more to go, making plans to stay as busy as I can.

Guff thinking of you today and sending out hugs to everyone else with scan doom (*rockchick*, omri, christine, we'll get through this...

Anda so glad they have admitted you, hope it all happens for you soon!

WhatWillSantaBring Tue 20-Aug-13 11:48:47

I've drunk one strong black coffee a day throughout all my pregnancies (and sometimes I've had a second) - the nausea/tiredness are bad enough without having to cope with a caffeine withdrawal headache as well. Bizarrely though the smell of coffee made me want to vom, but I could drink it fine.

Remember that all the food things are "guidelines" - not absolutes. A really interesting book just out points out that a lot of the data the guidelines are based on are crap. e.g the main study that showed that drinking moderate amounts of alcohol caused development problems failed to factor in the fact that of the alcohol drinkers in the study, 45% were also drug users!! So although the guidelines are there to help, don't kill yourselves over them.

xx

BirdsDoIt Tue 20-Aug-13 12:09:23

I've been very good on the food front, mostly, and only having one cup of tea a day - v occasionally two - and have even given up runny eggs which I adore (might have to break that rule once or twice along the way I think, if this pg proves a go-er). Don't fancy wine much at the moment anyway. But en route back from Scotland we went to an amazing restaurant in the Lake District for their tasting menu and one of the courses was venison tartare. Don't judge me smile. It was FANTASTIC and I figured less risk than riding my bike into work which I'm still doing... (I skipped the raw scallop though).

Anda glad they are looking after you, congrats on 37 weekssmile!! , yay not long now eeek!

On coffee: started of really good then realised i drank coffee through all my other healthy pregnancies with no problems so why worry, aslong as i don't drink it excessively!

Alchol: personally i don't see the harm in a small drink if there is a celebration and have had a shandy now and again. Obviously alchol is bad so don't drink it too often & avoided it completely in the 1st trimester.

Anything else i eat in moderation and don't worry about it, the rules around what to eat in pregnancy are forever changing then changing back again. Can't keep up it's all so over the top.
Only things i avoid is liver (hate it), alchol unless v small, unpasterized stuff such as cheeses, recreational drugs (obviously), and raw eggs.

Soft icecream: already failed and ate some last week- me & baby are still fine lolgrin

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 20-Aug-13 12:36:15

I've been terrible on the eating front. I haven't drunk enough because diet coke is the only thing which doesn't make me feel sick, including water!! I can't eat bread or vegetables, fruit is waay to acidic and potatoes and cheese are about my limit!
So that's chips, jackets and diet coke! confused

shellsocks Tue 20-Aug-13 12:39:35

I felt so shit on Sunday I had a Mr Whippy shock at the park then Shellfish cocktail shock (with lobster mmmm), rare steak with a blue cheese dressing shock and a glass of red wine shock at a restaurant!

The guidelines have changed since I had DS and that was only 17m ago so I research and make my own decisions....if its just a risk of food poisoning I take a view based on the restaurant but i wouldn't have liver etc. that are to be avoided because of something in them. And I will prob have a small glass of wine once or twice a week now, I think I deserve it coping with this pain smile

omri Tue 20-Aug-13 12:47:31

Omg I love you all! It's only a Nescafé that I'm craving so prob not that bad! Yay! Going to treat myself now to my fav combo- milky Nescafé and almond croissant. Guilt free! I will do a toast to all you lovelies as I sit down to that smile

Saggy- my diet currently consists of white toast, Cheerios, Crisps and chicken super noodles. Oh and almond croissants wink

omri Tue 20-Aug-13 12:48:28

Lol at shellsocks - now I don't feel half as bad about my milky nes.

IBelieveInPink Tue 20-Aug-13 13:03:01

Shell - I have been craving a steak like nothing you have known! Maybe I will treat myself.... Seeing as you said it okay.... ;)

Saggy - first trimester I went off everything- so ate nothing but mashed potato. With cheese. And sometimes gravy. So good.

I have recently allowed myself back on one can of diet coke a day...... So good!

Guff - guessing you are waiting or done by now, hope you okay.... smile

ChristineDaae Tue 20-Aug-13 13:17:22

We aren't suppose to eat soft ice cream?! Whoops!! We have a whippet machine in work and more than once iv had a nice ice cream to cool down after a hectic shift. (At 11pm but shhh!)

GuffSmuggler Tue 20-Aug-13 13:19:04

Hi everyone,

All looked good at the scan grin grin grin

Was very emotional and I cried. Baby was wriggling so much I had to get up a couple of times to try and get it back in the right position for the measurements, but it was lovely to see such a live wire in there grin

I really toppled from dainty crying into sobs when she showed me its little hands reaching up over its ears. Amazing detail for such a tiny baby.

So I got through the first 12 weeks and the rest of you who haven't made it there yet will I promise. Am going to try and have a least a couple of days of joy until I start worrying about the next thing...!

Thanks for all your support, you are an amazing bunch of ladies.

kjh5 Tue 20-Aug-13 13:24:35

Hurrah! Guff that is awesome grin happy happy for you!

BirdsDoIt Tue 20-Aug-13 13:33:49

Oh guff that's amazing. So so happy for you! Brilliant news. You should definitely relax and enjoy things a bit more now! will you be telling work etc or did they know already?

Whenever I think about the possibility of next week's scan actually being good news rather than bad I start welling up so I think I would be exactly the same, very emotional with good news - but possibly not with bad news, at least not straight away. Your post made me well up too! Incredible to see all those gorgeous details x

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 20-Aug-13 13:34:36

That's marvellous news! YAY! grin

Pentagon Tue 20-Aug-13 13:48:42

oh guff congratulations! So happy for you! x

IBelieveInPink Tue 20-Aug-13 13:50:55

Fantastic news. So pleased smile

JanieLovesLuckySocks Tue 20-Aug-13 14:12:25

Guff that's brilliant!! Yay! I've cried my eyes out at every scan so far!!!

WhatWillSantaBring Tue 20-Aug-13 14:34:35

Oh guff - welling up in an open plan office while on a con call! Fanbloodytastic. grin

Yay guff for wriggling babasmile and congrats on being 12 weeks!

shell mmmm red wine, omg i miss red wine so much but as dh doesn't drink it i can't warrant buying a whole bottle as i can only have a small glass so would be a waste of pennies. But i could buy one of those tiny bottles and have a redwine spritzerwink

BlackholesAndRevelations Tue 20-Aug-13 15:31:07

Oh guff, amazing news, congrats!! grin xxx

katatonic Tue 20-Aug-13 16:29:27

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Pixielady83 Tue 20-Aug-13 17:11:50

guff brilliant news smile so lovely to hear about your scan, hooray for tiny hands!

rock hope you are ok waiting for your scan.

birds which restaurant were you at in the lakes? we are quite near the lakes. that tasting menu sounds amazing!

Loving all this down to earth advice on food and drink guidelines. I have continued with 1 cup of coffee this time, I gave it up in last two pregnancies but I kinda feel like that one small thing isn't going to make a difference. I have also had a couple of small glasses of wine, I miss it so much! I drank the odd glass last time after clearing 12 weeks although I did find it made me feel hungover even in small quantities last time and DD was very sleepy the day after a glass of wine (not much wriggling) which weirded me out a bit. I am going to Spain for a weekend in Sept (DH and I treat away to distract from last due date) so will have to partake in a couple of small glasses there I'm sure grin

Brilliant news guff!!

GardenWorm Tue 20-Aug-13 17:53:18

Fablious Guff! grin

Anda I get a little excited when you go quiet! Ha Ha, I'm sooooo looking forward to hearing your 'announcement' smile

Bodicea Tue 20-Aug-13 18:01:01

Birds was that restaurant by any chance l'enclume? Went there for lunch for our anniversary this year and hubby had the venison tar tar. I declined sadly. However have been eating runny yolks to my hearts content!

Diet congratulations on making it to 37 weeks. Glad you have got admitted finally.

Congrats to guff too x
Fab news all round xxx

IBelieveInPink Tue 20-Aug-13 18:08:03

Yeah me too garden!! Diet we need twice daily check ins please...... This is way more exciting than waiting for the royal baby! smile

BirdsDoIt Tue 20-Aug-13 18:08:52

I feel like we need a list of scan countdowns so we know who to be directing all our posifrickintivity at next to dispel scan doom...rock are you next up? Hope you're doing ok and anyone else with a scan this week.

pixie we went to L'enclume - one of the places on The Trip - absolutely spectacular food! Such a treat. Also really lovely non-stuck up staff. We'd told them I was pregnant because of menu issues so it was quite strange when a few people said congratulations to us in the restaurant - but nice too. I has an evening of feeling quite optimistic (and reckless on the venison tartare front). Glad to hear everyone else is playing a little fast and loose with the food 'guidelines' too! Btw i'm sure ice cream is fine as long as it hasn't been melted and refrozen repeatedly - that's when it can give you food poisoning I think.

BirdsDoIt Tue 20-Aug-13 18:10:41

Cross posts with bod - yes, good guess!!

Maybe I need to review my stance on runny yolks...

Bodicea Tue 20-Aug-13 18:19:08

Lol birds. Loved that place. Only had kunch but was still One of the best meals I have ever had. I liked the thing that looked like am egg yolk but wasn't! Would love to do the full menu sometime but might have to be a post baby treat as not up to massive meals anymore. Can just about manage three courses at a push and then need a lie down .

Bodicea Tue 20-Aug-13 18:19:29

Lunch not lunch

Bodicea Tue 20-Aug-13 18:19:51

Oh god. Hate I phone

RainbowConnections Tue 20-Aug-13 18:29:47

Guff what lovely lovely news.

Is that one of the restaurants Steve Coogan visited? Sounds like it. Very fancy indeed!

TeaAndANatter Tue 20-Aug-13 18:37:18

Lovely news, Guff, great to have something nice to think about.

Looking forward to feedback from Anda and Diet!

GuffSmuggler Tue 20-Aug-13 18:41:43

Thanks everyone, I can't stop looking at the scan picture even though it's completely blurred grin

Rock yours is on Thurs isn't it? Only 2 (long) days to get through.

Pixielady83 Tue 20-Aug-13 18:43:15

ooh birds I've wanted to go to l'enclume for ages! It sounds fab. So nice that the staff weren't stuck up either. Loved the trip, it was so funny. I will have to think up an excuse to go sometime when I'm not pregnant!

Rockchick1984 Tue 20-Aug-13 19:00:57

Guff that's excellent news, I'm so happy for you! Is your due date still the same? Yup, mine's Thursday at 4pm, so in less than 48 hours I'll know how things are getting on.

BirdsDoIt Tue 20-Aug-13 19:13:03

Ha ha bod don't worry i figured out kunch! Yes I suspect the 10 courses + many appetizers/palate cleanser thingies might have contributed to much worse than usual nausea and dry retching the next morning...But SO worth it. We stayed overnight (surprisingly affordable, only £90 for a double with breakfast at their brasserie the next morning) and there was a note left in our room confirming that we had 'a dinner reservation for 7pm, with Madam being pregnant'. Made me laugh. Don't really think of myself as 'Madam' (or indeed pregnant, quite yet!!)

rock not long to wait. Maybe a DVD or something this evening to help the hours tick past faster?

guff I love the fact that your baby was too busy dancing to stop and have its photo taken!

katatonic Tue 20-Aug-13 19:45:59

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Rockchick1984 Tue 20-Aug-13 19:55:02

Birds its the new series of Bake Off in 10 mins... Paul Holywood should be a good distraction, especially since DH is out grin

Kat I've had scans at 7 and 9 weeks and all was good, however its not really reassured me as I had an 8 week scan last time and all was fine then baby died just after that and I only found out at 12 week scan sad I know things can still go wrong after 12 weeks but its a huge milestone for me. My dad has offered to pay for a gender scan at 17 weeks for me as he knows I will struggle with so long with no scans and possibly no kicks!

GuffSmuggler Tue 20-Aug-13 20:07:54

rock yes still 4th March EDD.

BumpKitty Tue 20-Aug-13 20:35:22

Excellent news guff hooray for your wriggly baby grin

Good Luck rock and what a nice dad you have smile

All ok here, I have recently found out that a woman I work with is pg, I'm so pleased for her. She had a mc last July and had to deal with everyone at work knowing about it sad I asked my boss how far along she was and he said about the same as me - which cannot be true as she is slim as a rake and I am like a fridge on legs shock

27 days of work left! I had a 1-2-1 today and couldn't have given a toss about any of it grin

sleepcrisis Tue 20-Aug-13 20:42:02

Guff- Amazing news! So pleased your scan went well. You must be still buzzing and finally able to relax a bit.

Lots of chat about food. Wish I could get excited about food! I'm back to feeling really sick which is amazing, for a change! Feeling much less anxious today.

Rock sorry you're feeling so low. It's such a long and painful wait. I hope the next 2 days go quickly.

I read on patient.co.uk (I think) last week that once you have had one miscarriage your odds of it happening in your next pregnancy go up - basically, 2 in a row is pretty unusual. That seemed like quite a sweeping statement to me and I was quite surprised - I would have thought your odds remained the same for each pregnancy? Usually I really rate patient.co.uk, it seems to offer more detailed info than the nhs direct site.

I had my booking app today and I WON! I begged and pleaded and I got myself a scan booked for tommorrow. I am feeling pretty pleased with myself as 2 GPs, 2 midwives and all my local pregnant friends told me I didn't have a hope. So I'll be bang on 8 weeks tommorrow (8+2 according to LMP but I have a longer cycle, I think, although last period was a miscarriage so who knows). Weirdly I already feel better knowing that it's booked, I feel positive for the first time in days, like I know I'll get good news tommorrow. I won't feel like this in an hours time but right now the anxiety seems to have lifted. I really, really hope I come back tommorrow with some good news.

Rockchick1984 Tue 20-Aug-13 20:47:46

Sleep I read something similar - basically that you have a slightly higher chance of it happening again. I took that though to be mainly because of people who have recurrent miscarriages, so if you simply lose a baby for no apparent reason you wouldn't necessarily have an increased risk hope that makes sense

sleepcrisis Tue 20-Aug-13 20:52:58

Sorry I think I explained that wrong. It said you have LESS of a chance of it happening again, not more.

jmf294 Tue 20-Aug-13 20:54:20

Yeah- good news Guff, really pleased to hear that.

Good luck with the scans rock and sleep.

I'm watching GBBO- yummy cake!!

sleepcrisis Tue 20-Aug-13 20:54:26

Here it is:

"The vast majority of women who miscarry go on to have a successful pregnancy next time."

"Investigations into the cause of a miscarriage are not usually carried out unless you have three or more miscarriages in a row. This is because most women who miscarry will not miscarry again."

sleepcrisis Tue 20-Aug-13 21:00:06

I suppose that just means your odds stay the same, but I guess the odds are always in your favour so its unlikely to happen again. I read a bit too much into that, sorry. Boring.

kjh5 Tue 20-Aug-13 21:08:30

sleep that is great news! So your scan is tomo and the rock on Thurs... I bet we have lots of posifrickintivity this week!
When I saw my GP last Friday she told me the chances of you having another MC in the six months following the first one drop significantly - so the stats are on our side - for anyone whose MC was in the 6 months prior to falling pg again.

IBelieveInPink Tue 20-Aug-13 21:10:18

Bump - 27 days of work left? Jealous! I have 44.5. Not that I am counting or anything!!

BumpKitty Tue 20-Aug-13 21:14:28

sleep well done on getting a scan!

ibip yeah I only work three days a week so it's still 9 looong weeks!

JanieLovesLuckySocks Tue 20-Aug-13 21:31:57

well done on the perseverance sleep! got everything crossed for you for tomorrow. and you too rockchick, hope thursday come really quickly x

JanieLovesLuckySocks Tue 20-Aug-13 21:35:06

ooh i just counted and i have 46 days of work left! that makes me so happy!

anyone else watching the midwives on bbc2? oh my xx

IBelieveInPink Tue 20-Aug-13 21:40:11

Janie - have you done it properly and taken off all time for midwife appointments etc? That doesn't count as work time remember!

Yep, watching midwives. Love these programmes.

JanieLovesLuckySocks Tue 20-Aug-13 21:44:44

ooh i have not!! minus a day or so then woop woop!!!

katatonic Tue 20-Aug-13 21:55:34

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I watched it janie very sad, was in tearssad

LuckySocks13 Tue 20-Aug-13 22:06:35

Wished I didn't watch the programme! Made me sad sad I only have 16 days left at work as only work a 4 day week and have leave before maternity and am taking one day a weeks leave too to make shorter weeks. Amazing smile loving all the baby kicks and twirls now.

JanieLovesLuckySocks Tue 20-Aug-13 22:25:41

Oh wow lucky what date do you finish?

andadietcoke Wed 21-Aug-13 00:00:49

guff yay! Hope you can relax a bit now.

sleep well done you - good luck for tomorrow smile

Sorry for going quiet. Unfortunately it's not due to anything exciting. I was discharged at 5pm tonight with an increased dose of labetalol to try and control my BP. I have home visits booked for tomorrow and Monday, and an appointment at the ante natal day unit on Friday, so they're keeping a close eye on me. Still working towards the 29th - 9 more sleeps.

However, I really, really, shouldn't have watched The Midwives. Complicated twins, the bereavement rooms, the lady who'd terminated due to the incompatibility with life diagnosis - really should have listened to DH when he asked whether it was a good idea to watch it. hmm

Chocolateteabag Wed 21-Aug-13 00:17:37

Ooh Bod and Birds we went to L'Enclume for our wedding anniversary when I was 30 weeks pg with DS. I tried all the food! (No liver but I hate that anyway) and probably had a las and a half of wine through sharing DH's glass (vv classy!) it was lovely but not as lovely as the stickly toffee pudding from the shop in the village which we got the next day grin

Great to hear good scan news Guff

Another boobage growth spurt - the 32GG bra which fit on Sunday now feels too tight FGS!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 21-Aug-13 01:22:04

Anda every single woman on that programme had a healthy baby/babies. So will you. Not long now. x

ChristineDaae Wed 21-Aug-13 07:36:45

Good luck today sleep! What time is your scan?

BirdsDoIt Wed 21-Aug-13 07:40:01

sleep good luck for your scan today!

What were people doing up so late yesterday night?! Tsk tsk.

chocolate I shared DH's wine too. V little sips so I reckon only half a glass! Couldn't face the STP shop the next morning though - we'll have to go back...

JanieLovesLuckySocks Wed 21-Aug-13 07:57:55

you're all making me want sticky toffee pudding and a 10 course meal with wine!

anda, as saggy said, they all had healthy babies. you're girls will be with you so so soon, they will smile but i know what you mean about the programme...but i just put it down to them keeping viewers watching. how 'boring' to show text a book birth, you know? every baby that was born made be gasp and cry, even DH was getting emotional. sending you big hugs xxxx

sleep god luck today, hope you don't have to wait too long x

i've decided to call in sick today. i am so exhausted. i can't get to sleep when i go to bed, then do finally get to sleep at about 1am, i wake at 4 or 5am and can't go back over. i'm so exhausted. so i think i need a day in bed with my eyemask and ea plugs to try try try to catch up on sleep. i ever ring in sick, i've only called in sick 3 times in 11 years, so i think i deserve this one day. i just don't know how i can get a full night's sleep anymore maybe i should have a glass of red wine sad i guess it's my body preparing itself for times ahead eh?!

Rockchick1984 Wed 21-Aug-13 08:04:30

Good luck for the scan today Sleep I've got everything crossed for you!

Janie there's nothing wrong with a duvet day once in a while - one of he perks of pregnancy unless you're a SAHM then it's a Cbeebies day smile

LuckySocks13 Wed 21-Aug-13 08:17:33

Good luck for your scan sleep.
Anda, not long left now. I'm sure it will fly by and as the others said that programmes was just for good tv! My HypnoBirthing lady told us not to watch anything like that! I was a bit naughty and did!
Janie, I've been getting insomnia and cramps in LEDs at night. So horrid sad hope you manage some rest today. I finish on the 11th October. That's 2 weeks maternity and 4 holiday. Also working some shorter weeks before then and discounted the maternity visits! To be honest the travelling , stress and long days are getting to me already! Be nice to have a bit of time with DS before DD arrives too.

GuffSmuggler Wed 21-Aug-13 08:19:18

Thinking of you today sleep

Pixielady83 Wed 21-Aug-13 08:23:00

Good luck today sleep hope all is well.

Janie hope you feel better after a duvet day.

Forgot to say good luck to garden on the camping! we are going away in a tent for the first time next week. We've done lots of campervanning but I'm not that enthused about tenting particularly if the weather is anything like today (rain rain rain!) I'm sure it'll be lovely though grin

Goodluck sleep smile xxx

Anda however sad last nights programme was, everyone had healthy babies at the end. Your babies will be here soon, happy & healthysmile

BirdsDoIt Wed 21-Aug-13 08:33:33

So I POAdigi this morning to check it had gone up from the one I did three weeks ago and it had - instead of 1-2 weeks it says 3+. Obviously this is good and I'd have been devastated if it had stayed at 1-2 weeks but I also feel not that reassured because i'm 7 weeks pg (i think) and if it's another mmc then it would have gone up since the last one anyway...guess I wanted the stick to shout YES you are definitely pg, there's a baby in there so you can stop worrying. Which was never going to happen. Pointless waste of money. Aagh a week until 8 week scan and it feels SO far away.

janie enjoy your duvet day!! V jealous! Sounds like you're definitely entitled to one!

LuckySocks13 Wed 21-Aug-13 08:41:59

Keep yourself busy Birds. These early days are soooo hard. I must have done about 15 plus tests to the point they went lighter again! Congrats on your BFP.

TeaAndANatter Wed 21-Aug-13 08:42:09

5+3 and still here! Will sob at my doctor (who couldn't bear it when I cried after the miscarriage) until he sends me for an 8 week scan, so not too, too long to wait god darned forever!

Had no idea PG after MC would feel harder (for me) than the miscarriage did. It's the hope that's a killer. Sounds really, truly, awful of me, but by Saturday I'd got to the point where I just wished it would hurry up and miscarry, as I was so sure it would happen anyway. I think I'm a dreadful human being, but DH says it's just because I'm trying to protect myself from being that hurt again. Humph. Roll on whichever week brings my sanity back.

Thanks all for putting up with the mood swings, positive, fun filled messages, and general joyous outlook that is me right now. Can't say how much it helps to type into the murky internet. x

katatonic Wed 21-Aug-13 08:45:43

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IBelieveInPink Wed 21-Aug-13 08:51:15

Janie - jealous of the duvet day. Try listening to a hypnobirthing cd - I keep trying to make it through mine, but I get so deeply relaxed every time I fall into the deepest sleep ever (unusual for me!)

Sleep - good luck

Any hints on how to keep cats out of cots? Since we set ours up at the weekend, the cat hasn't shown much interest, but I went in this morning to find him all curled up! Obviously removed him immediately, but need a way to discourage in the future!

JanieLovesLuckySocks Wed 21-Aug-13 09:00:11

Just been looking fur my earphones pink! Good call! As for the cat...you can actually buy things called cat nets! I only know about them because someone was giving one away in freecycle and I googled it! Not sure how much of a deterrent it would be but maybe worth a go? I know my big furbaby would probably manage to get in somehow though!

Sorry you're feeling so low Tea, only a time machine would be the answer but as others advised me, just keeping busy and having things to look forward to or a good book to distract you. X

RainbowConnections Wed 21-Aug-13 09:02:43

Sleep, glad you were listened to and got a scan. Good luck. xx

I felt quite ashamed that declining a glass of wine drew a gasp from my mum this week - am I that much of a wino?! I had to quickly say I didnt fancy red did she have white, then slowly sip it and chuck the end away.

Enjoy your duvet day Janie. Hope you have some treats in.
Kat, what a lovely way to work!

Birds hope you have some things planned over the next week to help it pass. (POAS is a hard habit to kick!).

Rockchick1984 Wed 21-Aug-13 09:23:57

Birds I kept testing until I got 3+ on digis, then DH pointed out that it doesn't go any higher, and when I had the MC it took a month to get a negative test so there's not actually any point in still testing other than spending the money that could go towards a private scan to actually put my mind at ease. Thought that was quite a good point really, although EPU offered me 2 early scans so didn't need the cash for that in the end.

WhatWillSantaBring Wed 21-Aug-13 09:34:19

Oh, lots to catch up on!

I went to the l'enclume pop up in London in June - 'twas lovely and DH and I both want to go to the real thing sometime. If rooms are only £90, then that sounds like a deal to me :-D

pink - we used the cat net (yes, they do exist) before the baby arrived just so she never got used to the idea that she could sleep in there. And we didn't let her settle in there - so everytime we found her trying to get in we'd chase her off, just to condition her against it! To be honest, she was so horrified at the noise that the baby made when we brought it home, that she didn't go near it, so we never actually used the cat net on the cot while DD was in the cot.

Going back about 2000 pages to the runny egg thing. My understanding is that the risk of runny eggs is that they may contain salmonella. However, any egg with a lion stamp on (i.e. all commercially sold british eggs) has been vaccinated against salmonella. I therefore change my buying tactics when I'm pg and ONLY buy supermarket eggs (not farm eggs) because that way, I'm happy to eat them raw/runny. That's just my understanding and risk assessment though! With everythign on the "banned" list, I try to find out why its banned and what the actual risk is and then decide for myself.

And on the miscarriage statistics, I found this a useful resource: https://sites.google.com/site/miscarriageresearch/miscarriage-general (though I can't open it at work, so I'm not sure if this link is working today). You need to understand a bit about statistics and read it carefully - its not user friendly, but if that's your sort of thing, I found it quite reassuring, particularly in the "chances of miscarrying after x number of weeks".

Good luck today sleep

Bodicea Wed 21-Aug-13 09:45:33

Pink try filling a cleaning spray bottle with water and any time cat goes near cot/Moses basket give him a good spray. He will soon leave well alone I think. But a cat net might be worth it for good measure. Our cat is banned from upstairs at all times, mostly because of my allergiss, as well so you could try enforcing that rule now.

Have worked out I only have 23 working days left if i minus the bank hol, odd day off and the weeks leave I have in a couple of weeks. That sounds more manageable thn the 6 weeks I had in my head .

Good luck with scans today x

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 21-Aug-13 09:46:02

Pink my DFs cat kept getting into DSis pram. DSM fixed the problem. She very carefully put the cover over the pram, pulled up the hood, applied the cat net...and shook the fuck out of the pram!
The cat departed quicker than lightning and never went near the pram again! grin
Birds, step away from the pg tests! Look at it logically.
A/ digi tests can be up to 10 days out.
B/ they only go up to 3+.
C/ as DH says, BFPs can linger WAY after MC.
D/ its costing you a fortune! All you are doing is lining some fat cats pockets with your insecurity.
All you are doing is torturing yourself. You are never going to get that ultimate reassurance from a pg test, it just gives you something more to worry about. Lock any you have left in the bathroom cabinet and go and do something positive and totally unrelated to pg!
I know its hard honey, but there's only one thing that will put your mind at rest and that is a scan in a week. You need to try and distract yourself until then!
nothing more zealous than a reformed sinner

IBelieveInPink Wed 21-Aug-13 10:24:39

Ooh good cat tips! I had seen cat nets - my kitty is a Maine coon though so is quite large, wasn't sure if it would work with him. I will give it a go, as I can't be having this when baby comes along, but as he is a house cat he has full run of the house. Also will re employ the spray bottle!

jellyandcake Wed 21-Aug-13 10:35:50

The positivity on here is so reassuring! Thank you for all the kind words - this thread moves so quickly I have totally failed to keep up but the mantra of 'today I am pregnant' is currently keeping me sane.

I was pleased to read on the miscarriage stats site that eating chocolate daily is associated with a 19% reduction in miscarriage risk! (Also fruit and vegetables but sssh!) So thank you WhatWillSantaBring for posting the link!

My cat treated everything baby related (including baby) with complete and utter disdain so we never had to worry about finding him in the cot or pram! He was highly unimpressed - though has softened slightly now baby has become toddler and is keen on stroking and fussing over him!

In my first pregnancy I was really sick and was miserable about it - now praying for nausea to kick in which feels very odd...

Also RainbowConnection I declined a glass of wine at a wedding on Sun and my friend gasped and said "how many weeks are you?!!" It is impossible to hide it!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 21-Aug-13 10:55:00

Ok. Those statistics have totally freaked me out! I'm over 35, DP is over 40 and I have a previous MC! There's an awful lot of numbers there! confused

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 21-Aug-13 10:59:00

Pink I would be discouraging the cat from being in the nursery and anywhere that is the baby's territory. Free rein is ok, until he decides to go completely weird and leave a large pile of shits behind the TV in the back lounge, or worse the cot! <<bitter experience>>

BirdsDoIt Wed 21-Aug-13 11:15:49

kat lol at your 20 tests!! Impressive! I've actually been much better this time round - this was only my 3rd POAS since BFP - one first response and two digis - so a marked improvement on last time, about 12!! rock you're absolutely right and even as I started opening the packet this morning I was saying to myself, you know this is pointless don't you?! Must keep busy. Maybe some gardening this evening and painting a bedroom at the weekend, that should do it.

Working from bed sounds awesome. I remember that from student days - usually surprisingly productive writing essays in bed!

teaandanatter yay you're still with us. One day at a time. Sorry you're finding it so tough. Oh for a time machine and some future predicting pg tests. Your DH sounds lovely and sane and supportive though.

rainbow I got the same reaction from my mum when we were ttc and I turned down a glass of wine at lunch. Obv she has me down as a dedicated boozer! Thank goodness my 8 week scan is before the big family weekend we're doing for her birthday so if all is well then I can just tell them, rather than ridiculously obvious 'pretending to drink' for three days, which was a total failure last time.

santa l'enclume pop-up sounds ace, I'll have to keep an eye out for another one of those! And I like the thinking on eggs. I totally agree, just haven't been quite brave enough yet... The miscarriage stats are really interesting and I think helpful to have some evidence based numbers - especially for after you've seen heartbeat - rather than the usual woolliness. Will have a proper look at them after work.

Right, have been writing this on and off all morning so posting it now - doubtless it'll be totally out of date!

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kjh5 Wed 21-Aug-13 11:24:26

Thinking of you today sleep fx everything is ok.

Bird step away from the CBD!! won't admit I'm doing exactly the same thing

kat and janie I am super jealous of your duvet days. I have popped out to meet a friend for coffee and I think I might die. I can't believe how bad the nausea is. And why the hell did I decide to wear jeans!! I'm booling alive! Does anyone have any tips on how not to throw up on the tube? I have no idea how I'm going to make it through coffee an back home. I don't even want to think about work tonight. Keep trying to remind myself I was desperate to feel this ill as it can only be a good sign right? Have two friends who are currently sailing through their pregnancies free of ms - I'm beyond jealous

BirdsDoIt Wed 21-Aug-13 11:24:33

bod you have TRAINED your cat not to go upstairs?? How is that possible?!

Our stair carpet is starting to look pretty fluffy from our cat scratching so having read all this i'll be deploying the spray bottle the next time he starts having a go at it, i think!

saggy I know, I know, I have officially stepped away from the POAS. That was my last one smile

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Bodicea Wed 21-Aug-13 11:57:39

Birds he has just not been allowed up from the start. He stays in the kitchen diner and lounge only and the doors to the hallway are closed almost all of the time. When he does occasionally come up, normally if he wants food off us, he gets shooed of immediately so he has generally stopped bothering. I have also trained him to sit on command!

Pink Maine coons are gorgeous. Yours is a ginger one too isn't it? Mine is a Siberian so very similar type of breed. Massive cat with masses of fur! He is supposed to be a low allergy breed which is why we got him. He is amazing with kids though. My nieces are constantly pulling n prodding at him and he just sits here and takes it!

Feeling for all the first trimester people. Don't miss it at all. But just think second trimester next Which is bliss compared to the shitty third trimester. Make sure you all
Make the most of it and go out for lots of nice meals xxxx

Pentagon Wed 21-Aug-13 12:01:49

sleep good luck with your scan today!

janie I'm so jealous of your duvet day - enjoy!

kjh5 - I agree with kat: bottle of water! Maybe a cracker too. It is a good sign!

My last day at work will be Oct.4th so 31 working days left (that's including days for midwife appointments and antenatal classes) - it sounds like a lot, doesn't it? Slightly disappointed now!

Two friends have just had their babies and they're so cute!

IBelieveInPink Wed 21-Aug-13 12:04:38

Bod - no, he's a silver tabby. I think he will be fine around baby, he is very good when my neice comes over to poke him - just stays well clear of her! I'm hoping the same will follow for baby smile
Love siberians! So cute!

JanieLovesLuckySocks Wed 21-Aug-13 12:09:32

my ginger 3 legged guy just slept right at my face all morning smile he worries any time i'm here during the day and if i'm in bed i can almost hear him asking if i'm ok heehee! yes i am the crazy cat lady smile he's going to be most put out come november

kjh5 Wed 21-Aug-13 13:03:29

Thanks for the advice everyone << feels sheepish, apologies profusely for hysterical moaning>> cold bottle of fizzy water has sorted me out!

Reading all the cat advice with great interest. We have. 12-week-old kitten - a tabby crossed with a lot if fluff. He is unbearably cute and delightful but I'm a but worried about how he'll react if when we have a baby in the flat. He doesn't really come into the bedrooms at the moment. Maye I should reinforce that now while he is still little. Although was planning on smuggling him to bed with me this weekend when DH is away!

IBelieveInPink Wed 21-Aug-13 13:40:54

Kjh - while he is still little I would suggest not letting him have bedroom as his 'territory'. This is the mistake we have made, which was never a problem before, but is going to be very hard to undo now! It will be far easier on you in the future if you can set the rules up now.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 21-Aug-13 14:42:55

I'm no better off! SaggyDog sleeps in our room, often on the bed. I am about to commence his training. He will henceforth be sleeping on the landing. I wish he would adopt one of the dcs really, but he is 100% my dog! confused

TeaAndANatter Wed 21-Aug-13 14:51:40

kjh5 Celebrating your nausea! Thinking of sniffing raw sewage so I can convince myself I feel preggo queasy!

Incessant ginger snaps worked for me with the DCs, also the wee cans of spray mineral water you can get in Boots. They were amazing.

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kjh5 Wed 21-Aug-13 16:00:13

Haha! Kat that sounds an awesome way to induce nausea - slightly better than tea's raw sewage suggestion! Am determined to feel grateful for every vomit. The nausea actually disappeared for a whole 48 hours so I am relieved it is back, even if it has returned with a vengeance!

Thanks for the advice Pink kitten stays in the living room most of the time and only really ventures into the bedroom if he follows us in so hopefully it won't be too much of a problem later on! But he is used to having attention and people to play with him 24/7. His nose is going to be right out of joint next April fingers crossed

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 21-Aug-13 16:32:20

Fucking hell Kat! <<Boak>>

sleepcrisis Wed 21-Aug-13 17:39:36

Haven't got time to catch up right now but just wanted to say a massive thank you for all the good vibes. So kind. We saw a lovely little 8week bean with a lovely heartbeat! The guy that did the scan was amazing, he described the little baby as 'this little miracle' and then said that he feels that way everytime he scans a baby!

Am off out now but just had to let you know

Yay sleepsmile congrats on your little bean, and that sonographer is right, all babies are miraclessmile

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BirdsDoIt Wed 21-Aug-13 18:05:18

Yay sleep that's such brilliant news! So pleased for you!

However kat that's grim. Is Branston pickle a secret fetish of yours or is this a pg craving??

Glad to hear that most of us are crazy cat ladies.

Organising our big family weekend and one of the activities I've suggested is mountain biking...Only afterwards did I realise that's prob not very pg friendly. My pg denial was obviously working over time!! really really hoping that no-one goes for that idea now...

BumpKitty Wed 21-Aug-13 18:36:21

Yay sleep that's fantastic! Hold on to how positive you feel right now.

kat mmmm pickle, but not on its own and not half a jar! My heartburn has ramped up just thinking about it.

Well today has been a bit stressful. Took a call from someone threatening suicide at work then rushed back home to pick up DD from the childminder's to find she had scratched a child's face and drawn blood and kicked the childminder - I had to sign an incident report sad she really isn't this naughty usually. She has just fallen asleep in her dinner and I've put her to bed, now waiting for DH to get home so I can go to yoga and relax!

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JanieLovesLuckySocks Wed 21-Aug-13 18:42:45

Yay sleep that's brilliant! So pleased for you smile

Bump you've had a day and a half, I hope yoga helps with the tension.

I spent this afternoon on the sofa watching one born on catch up, cried for about 3 hours. With every baby that was born I started to think 'that'll never be me'. I've been so positifrickintive recently so I really don't know where all the negafrickintivity came from sad maybe a day at home alone wasn't the best idea afterall hmm

kjh5 Wed 21-Aug-13 18:45:07

YAY!!! sleep awesome news smile hope you are loving the happy buzz right now xx

I'm loving all the happy scan news - Rock is yours tomorrow? Keeping Fx that everything goes really well for you xx

Kat I scoffed an entire packet of ginger biscuits AND a giant bag if kettle crisps this afternoon blush

bump hope your day gets better x

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BirdsDoIt Wed 21-Aug-13 19:05:14

I am obsessed with pasta at the moment. Off home to make the yummy ottolenghi pasta dish with peas and Greek yoghurt and chilli pine nuts. The peas definitely make it healthy, right?

BirdsDoIt Wed 21-Aug-13 19:06:11

janie watch bake-off as an antidote! Hope you managed to get some nice sleep this morning.

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GaryBuseysTeeth Wed 21-Aug-13 20:21:58

Apologies! I dropped off the last fred & haven't really been back on MN since.

Congrats to every new BFP, and congrats Sleep on the scan.

Kat, I'd have to worry about you getting excited by a tomato. Kettle chips on the other hand...
Birds, if it's got pasta AND peas in it, I'd call it a salad. That makes it healthy! Also, Yottam Ottolenghi looks fabulous so anything with his name on it must be good for you.

Bump, hope yoga relaxes you, sounds like a stressful day.

As a recently popped thread member I'd just like to say how bloody wonderful the lot of you are, it's so nice to have a place like this to talk about pregnancy/babies (and everything else!), even better that the lot of you are so nice. thanks & cake for everyone!!

sleepcrisis Wed 21-Aug-13 20:33:18

Thanks guys. Feeling really good right now but also shattered from all the weeks of worry.

Good luck tommorrow Rock! Will be thinking of you.

Re food - carbs are absolutely the only way to get through the first few weeks. It's jacket potatoes here and little else. Although the addition of branston would really make it better! Why didn't I think of that! First pg I was hooked on pickles and used to drink the vinegar at the end of every jar. I was also drinking gaviscon from the bottle, I wonder why!

Am off on a long weekend with no technology, so I won't be around til middle of next week. Have good weekend everyone.

PoppySeedBun Wed 21-Aug-13 20:39:17

Hello everyone - can I join?
I'm 5+2 after MMC at 9 wks (but really stopped at 6) in April. Been TTC for 3 yrs and on Clomid since Feb.
Its been so helpful reading this thread this evening. I'm much less excited than last time, and don't want to tell anyone until I get much further down the line. Haven't even told my doc yet or made any appointments. Don't want to think EDD at all. Going to try and take the good advice to just take it one week at a time - I like the idea of marking the milestones on the Pregnacare tablets though.

Pixielady83 Wed 21-Aug-13 20:55:37

Brilliant news sleep smile what a relief for you.

Hope you're feeling ok about tomorrow rock lots of luck.

Welcome poppy and all the best for your pregnancy. There are some lovely ladies and wonderful support on here smile

I am absolutely shattered today. Wondering if I've been too optimistic about upcoming scan and if it's actually better not to be positive but to expect the worst because then you're more prepared? hmm Hips are hurting all the time now and it's getting me down a bit, it feels very early to be sore and it's only going to get worse I suppose. I need to go back to the chiropractor but it feels hard because I really associate it with the MMC and part of me worries that the chiro affected the pregnancy last time (I know that's silly, but you know..)

JanieLovesLuckySocks Wed 21-Aug-13 20:58:34

Hi Gary!! great to see/hear from you! hope you and your scrummy little guy are doing well! x

s;eep, have a lovely holiday x

welcome poppy! congrats on your bfp smile sorry you've had a tough time of it, but these girls are great!

and thanks girls, i'm not sure what came over me. dh came home andi told him, he made me feel better and i've consoled myself tonight with most of the packet of dark chocolate digestives mmmmmm sooo goood. oh and i spent a small fortune on a new washing machine oops

TotalShock Wed 21-Aug-13 21:12:38

Could I join too. Mmc in feb. now due march.

Struggling to be optimistic about scan next wed but I think I'm burying my head in the sand and don't want to think to far ahead as a self