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Early pregnancy after IVF. Please come here to worry and support!

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NookNook Sun 21-Jul-13 13:24:39

Right then! Come here if you are 4-12 weeks and can't stop fretting. Didn't think anything could be worse than the 2WW? Think again!

<runs in to hold Nooks hand>

Lovely Nook smile

NookNook Sun 21-Jul-13 14:17:28

Hooray! Thanks Maybe xxxx

Shall we start with symptoms???

Haha!! You go first grin

MotorcycleMama Sun 21-Jul-13 16:12:04

Thanks nook - I'm such a coward. I have to admit I've no idea what other threads are out there apart from our old one and the IVF worriers one! I'm a bit unadventurous, and just want to stick with my mates!

As for symptoms, mine are all intermittent, and not very dramatic. Mild nausea, sensitive/sore boobs. I wouldn't honestly know I was pregnant. That's why I have gone over the top with testing with HPTs, and now with regular blood tests to keep an eye on my hcg. All have shown decisively that I am pregnant, so that is a relief.

Are you all being ultra careful in terms of diet, booze and exercise? I am. The only thing I am allowing myself which is at all controversial is a cup of tea and a mug of cocoa daily, which keeps me well within the 'under 200 mg' limit. I am seriously missing wine and exercise. I am a regular runner and gym attendee and boozer, so quite a change of behaviour for me.

NookNook Sun 21-Jul-13 17:31:22

Motor my symptoms are pretty much the same. I'm also a bit grumpier than normal. I'm trying not to do another pregnancy test. Not sure how long I'll last though! My scan seems like an age away.

I gave up caffeine ages ago so no problem there. I haven't had a drink either but I think I will after the scan. I'm trying to do lots of walking to keep up some level of fitness. TBH the steroids have already played havoc with my body so I'm fighting a losing battle.

I am pretty much the same too. Feel sick if I don't eat, but then get full very quickly. And I'm shattered. I don't nap but I need to now!! Oh, and headaches and weeing. A lot grin

I gave up tea ages ago. But the thought of drinking it makes me feel ill anyway!! I had a glass of wine after EC but nothing since.

I'm finding the exercise the hardest. I walk loads though with the dog, but I was running around 50k a week and doing some weights. Does anyone know when we can act like 'normal' people again? I'd like to get to the gym for some exercise and also go swimming.

I am not testing anymore though. I figure it can't make any difference to anything now. When are everyone's scans?

MotorcycleMama Sun 21-Jul-13 19:25:17

Wow maybe - running 50k a week? That is impressive. I was running 3- 4 x per week but more like 35k. I'm not going to consider running until I'm passed 12 weeks, but am walking as much as I can, and am going to look into doing Body Pump again just to stay toned.

I am going to have 2 more blood tests next week to check that my hcg is rising as it should, then my 7 week scan is the week after. I know it seems really excessive, but I just want to know straight away if it all goes wrong. I'm sure it will all be fine, but a previous miscarriage, only detected at the 12 week scan was devastating, and I don't want to go through that again.

That's totally understadae Motor. I have a scan at 7 weeks but my clinic don't do bloods.

Do you think body pump will be ok? I am going to speak to the clinic tomorrow about what they advise. I'm hoping to get a trainer to draw me up a program so I am at leat do something!!

MotorcycleMama Sun 21-Jul-13 20:46:10

I can't think of anything in Body Pump itself which should be risky, but I will drop the weights down to a minimum while I figure out if I feel safe doing it. I love running, but it just takes so much out of me that I don't think I can do that.

maybe my clinic don't do bloods as a rule either, so I found another clinic closer to home.

Ah, I see!! I think it's important to do whatever tests you need to make you feel as reassured as possible.

With running, I just get very very hot. Which I know is a bad thing. I figure if I can get a good gym routine I can be nice and cool in the air con grin

Does anyone else have incredible wind? blush

Also, how long do your clinics keep you on the progesterone?

MotorcycleMama Sun 21-Jul-13 22:36:28

Yes to wind maybe! And tiredness. DH and I do a lot of walking and can easily clock 15 miles, but yesterday I walked 7 and fell straight asleep when we got back home. I never usually sleep during the day.
Also, a bright blue vein running across from my right shoulder to my left nipple which appeared last week, and a network of veins on my right breast.

I have crazy boob veins too!

I haven't been walking the dog quite as much this last week, it's been so very very hot! I love the heat normally, but my tolerance for it has gone right down. And the dog has so much fur that he'd get too hot bless him!

NookNook Mon 22-Jul-13 14:21:19

I have no more veins on my boobs sad but they have already gone up a size! What aee you guys doing about under wired bras?

Nook I feel your pain. I have big boobs as it is, I don't know how I'm going to be able to stand up soon! Is it not a bit early to be changing to non-under wired ones? <clueless>

My scan has been booked, it's not till the 13th! I have a GP appointment the week before, and my booking in the week after the scan. It still feels like I might not get there!

NookNook Mon 22-Jul-13 15:05:00

Mine is on the 13!!!

PramelaAnderson Mon 22-Jul-13 15:21:58

Now then, slags! It's moi: Juicy. I had to change my name as the 's' word is making me sick and even reading it makes me feel horridly bilious envy

How are you all? I have another scan on Friday at 8+1 and I'm feeling fantastically preggo in terms of symptoms smile My tits are gargantuan and shaped liked footballs, I'm terribly sick, shattered and - just like last year at 7/8 weeks - homicidally angry.

Until IVF I was a fitness freak specialising in Body Pump, kettle bell training, spinning and circuit training. I don't intend to do any exercise whatsoever whilst pregnant. I tried Body Pump last week and it didn't feel natural risking repeated squats with weights when I have been through so much to get here. When I see other pregnant women on the treadmill of lifting weights I just think they look a little desperate. I don't want to feel that I have to maintain a certain level of fitness or tone any more. I reckon I will still be fit for labour in seven months and there will be no opportunity for hardcore exercise once baby is here.

I'll carry on with gentle walking but, seriously, I don't see the point in anything challenging.

Prammy! Lovely to see you! I'm with you on the massive tits front. I dread to think how big they're going to get.

I shan't be going crazy with the old exercise. Just need an outlet I think. Though right now all I want to do is nap!

NookNook Mon 22-Jul-13 16:24:51

Prammo good to see you. Glad you're doing well - it spurs me on! I feel happy then anxious then homicidally angry. All in the space of about five seconds. Actually I wake up every morning feeling really sad. I get a bit better as the day progresses. I also want to takk about the pregnancy constantly but I don't feel like anyone in RL is wiling to listen.... and that includes DH!

PramelaAnderson Mon 22-Jul-13 17:05:47

NookNook, I am chuffed to bits you have admitted to sadness and anger. I told th'usband last night that a strange feeling has come over me in recent days - almost like a depression but that really is overstating things. It's more like the euphoria of the BFP has gone and, although I am not tormenting myself with fears of miscarriage - thanks to such strong symptoms, I am feeling something bordering on emptiness and great irritation (at others).

My broadband connection has been down and I can honestly say I was happy to step away from mumsnet and all the March 2014 antenatal thread witterings. I've missed you lot though smile

I hope my last post didn't come across as too grumpy about the exercise debate. I'm feeling really arsey and imperious at the mo and I hate it sad

Don't be daft Prammy, be as arsey as you like wink

I too have been feeling sad, I get mine at night though. It's just an overwhelming feeling of loss. Even though nothing has been lost. I tried to explain it to DH but to no avail!

NookNook Mon 22-Jul-13 18:02:39

My DH just says "don't be so negative" and then I punch him in the face.

MotorcycleMama Mon 22-Jul-13 18:03:23

Hello prammy - fantastic name!!

My gorgeous breasts are AA and before I got pregnant I lost half a stone and my AA bras were too big for me sad. They have now got visible veins running over them, and are sensitive and sore at times, but not noticeably bigger. I wonder if they are not sore as they are so small? I think my areoles are bigger, but not massively. I can't wait to have bigger breasts!

Can you remember what your hcg scores were pammy and at what stage? I remember them being very high. I've just had my hcg done this morning and it is 22,156. It was 6660 on Thursday, and I have read that once it gets over 6000 it takes around 4 days to double, so I was expecting today's score be around 12,000 not 22,000 confused. Have just been doing a bit of mad googling, but it seems that anything goes with hcg, so as long as it is increasing at a reasonable rate, there's nothing to worry about.

nook and maybe my scan is on the 1st August, so not too long to wait, though every day is dragging!

NookNook Mon 22-Jul-13 18:05:08

Pram I'm still in the Miscarriage Mindfuck stage. I can't wait til my scan and then I can start fretting about the next scan

NookNook Mon 22-Jul-13 18:07:49

Also Pram the eggcellent thread think you've been kicked off mn grin say hello and put their minds at ease!

That's great news Motor! I bet you're counting down to the 1st!

Nook rather than punching DH, I just fart at him.

My boobs were a 32F to start with sad I fear they will explode.

Does anyone else not know what they want to eat?

NookNook Mon 22-Jul-13 19:23:22

I'm going out for dinner! Controversial for a monday night.

I would NEVER win a farting competition with DH.

My boobs were A now B. A long way to go before F!

Swapsies Nook?

Where are you going for dinner?

I wouldn't nirmall win, but I am giving him a run for his money wink

PramelaAnderson Mon 22-Jul-13 20:18:19

Motor, my first beta at 13dp5dt was 1345 and 48 hrs later it was 2571. I never had it tested after that. Yes, I love my new name smile I literally felt like puking recently whenever I saw the word s***k in my name so I've changed it. Plus it was time to get the RadFems off my scent once and for all wink

My tits were DD before pregnancy and now they are an immeasurable pair of bicycle-pumped beach balls. They're beauties to look at but I shriek in horror when th'usband attempts to put his knob between 'em, so tit action is out the window smile

I'm struggling with the nausea, if I'm completely honest, and although I know I need to eat to shift that cloying sickness my befugged brain can't/won't make any sensible decisions.

Farts: Mine are frapping out at a rate of knots and utterly fucking stink. Seriously, a decaying corpse would smell more pleasant than the heinous whiffs following me around the house.

Haha Juicy you just made me laugh so much a bit of wee came out grin

PramelaAnderson Mon 22-Jul-13 20:40:24

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

I know Juicy. I enjoyed your comments on the 'sperm donor' situation. Until they were removed wink

Just think Juice, you've got your own set of groupies.

NookNook Mon 22-Jul-13 21:24:33

People have something to hide behind on here. Everyone else misses you on that thread and you have been a rock to so many. Don't let her get to you. Xxx

NookNook Mon 22-Jul-13 21:28:10

Oh sorry just looked at the other thread! Good for you Pram

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 12:02:37

Morning, darlings! How are we preggos this morning? My lovely maternity clothes arrived from ASOS this morning and I'm currently wearing some vair hip trousers and a top. Cheap as chips in the sale, too! I know it seems crazy buying maternity but I got 4 items for £48 including jeans so I won't see it as a waste if the worst were to happen. I really can't cope in normal clothes with the bloating; my abdomen is colossal.

Prammy thank god!

How does this maternity gear work? You buy your normal size? My stomach is colossal of an evening. As is the boobage.

So, I have to go and pick up more Crinone today from the clinic. I terrified myself, as I was clearing out the remnants, (who says IVF isn't sexy) and it was a bit pink. But there's no actual bloody, it's just in the gel. Logical me says that's a ok. Hormonal, messy me says 'oh my god, it's all going wrong, that'll teach me for booking my scan and GP appointment'.

Slap me with your colossal norks Prammy

NookNook Tue 23-Jul-13 13:48:46

Maybe poor you! It really is like having two 'yous'. I've actually convinced myself that I am no longer pregnant.
Prammy can I share with Maybe? One beachball each?

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 14:41:18

Yeah, Maybe, you simply order your usual size (ie zero - if you're a fucking smug twat) and they come adapted for any size bump. I've got some - wait for it - denim joggers with elasticated hems. Sounds gross, yes? No. Fit as. They can be worn with heels or flats or wedges and are terrifically comfy. Warning: joggers/jeggings have no construction or support at all on the arse so if you hate your bum you will fecking loathe it in these.

Luckily I'm Pramela Anderson so I'm as pert as a nymph's bristols grin

grin Prammy size zero it is then I bloody wish

You sound dead comfy. I may soon have to join you. According to my mum she was the size of a house by 8 weeks. Oh, the joy.

Nook. You are preggers. Fact. I had my meltdown with the nurse. Apparently I'm 'totally normal' who am i kidding

Your scans on the 13th too isn't it? What time?

NookNook Tue 23-Jul-13 15:47:45

9.40am. You?

I think it all seems to be going really slowly! Not sure what I expected to happen. I'm also really jealous of Prammy's morning sickness! <Weirdo alert>

When did you have your meltdown?

And how pregnant are we all? I'm 5+1.

Where's Motor?

FlowersBlown Tue 23-Jul-13 16:02:11

Come on people this is seriously mean. I saw this thread in active convos, thought I'd see how you were all doing and found it be a freaking vipers nest. I'm an actual person you know, going through the same shit that you've all gone through and I don't need more shit heaped on top of it.

I made a comment disagreeing with the stance that another poster had taken, on fucking blastocysts of all things, a poster that has no problem expressing themselves in the most strident terms, who I felt would be able to take a mild critique of their opinion on an issue. I didn't see the jokes about sperm donors but I can imagine I've heard them all by now anyway. Yes actually, I have discounted going to Lloyds bar on a saturday night and getting a fucking shag. Ha ha ha.

My other supposed crime is that I'm following you around the site to pick on you or something. I didn't post anywhere else that you did, and i wasnt the person who reported you so what I would be doing seeking you out there in order to cause problems for you is difficult to understand. I've been on MN for years, I didn't join just to talk about IVF, I'm interested in lots of discussions, and I happened to come across a few places where you've posted. If that freaks you out, then I suggest you don't post anywhere else because it's a public forum and everything you write is available to be read by absolutely anyone.

So these 2 things, one that happened and one that didn't, are enough for you to bad mouth me, in quite aggressive terms, across 2 different threads. And not only that, but others are joining in. I'm not some special snowflake that can't take criticism, but this isn't that is it? It's pure spite and it's horrible.

No doubt this will give you loads of ammunition for your jokes and laffs but I hope at least that somebody will read this and think twice about joining in the next time. It's really easy when you're in a group to pick on somebody who is identified as an outsider by a dominant member of that group. It makes you feel like a gang and like you belong. But on here the other person can read what you've written and it hurts. Slag me off all you like if it makes you feel better but keep it on PM please.

I'm at midday. It is dragging isn't it! I had to go to the clinc this afternoon for more drugs and just hada chat with the nurse. She was great.

I'm 4+6. Still actually can't get my head around saying 'I'm pregnant'

Hang on a minute, are you referring to my comment on sperm donors? That was nothing to do with you or really anything o do with sperm donors. I would never ever make light of donor anything.

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 16:28:22

Flowers, I was hurt by your post saying I was 'apportioning blame' towards those who were not being considered for, or who had not looked into the possibility of, five day blastos. You then told the thread yesterday that I am to be found 'all over mumsnet causing trouble' and it was 'no wonder' if I had been banned. You just seem like a crosspatch to me and you have got your way: I will no longer be supporting the girls on the egg buddies thread, I will be sticking to this one (unless, of course, you report me again).

Look at your own sardonic posts about me before coming here whimpering about being slagged off. These girls don't want to hear it. They have done nothing wrong except nod and say 'ahhh' like any neutral person would when someone is having a rant.

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 16:31:46

Oh, and the 'sperm donor issue' was a reference to the thread started by International where it was debated whether a sperm bank was necessarily a more responsible choice than shagging an unsuspecting fuck buddy with the precise aim of getting pregnant.

You remember that, don't you? The thread where my posts were deleted for slagging off feminism?

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 16:39:15

Pram, 7+5, scan on Friday at 8+1.

<bows down in awe of Pram's diffedness>

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 16:57:16

Oh, for goodness' sake! I feel guilty now, Flowers, for being accusatory about you and bringing it to this thread. I couldn't find an olive branch emoticon so please have these as an apology for being rotten thanks

Can we be friends?

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 16:57:58


PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 16:58:16

Pretty pliz?

FlowersBlown Tue 23-Jul-13 17:06:06

Let's stick to the facts here. I said you were getting close to apportioning blame, and that was upsetting for some people. Other people felt the same, don't forget. I don't mind saying what I think if I feel that other person can take it. Judging by the nature of your posts I thought you could take criticism of an opinion. I was wrong, and you reacted with vitriol , in an aggressive and personal manner, across 2 threads. Other posters joined in with you, probably because you are dominant in the group.

I've made it quite clear that I do not follow you around, I didnt see the thread you are talking about and I've never reported you or anyone else for that matter, ever. That really isn't something I would do. If you look you'll see I've even been careful not to name you.

I obviously won't be posting any more in either thread. I'm not a glutton for punishment. I may still read though as I've learnt a lot.

NookNook Tue 23-Jul-13 17:23:42

I know Maybe it still feels wierd. Also a bit stressful that I've had to tell people who knew I was doing IVF. Makes me feel a little bit more pressure for it to work!

Where do you live btw? Are you London based?

That's how I feel too Nook!

I'm in Essex, how about you?

MotorcycleMama Tue 23-Jul-13 17:33:45

Can I wade in (rather timidly though) please? Can I suggest that the airing of personal differences and grievances between posters are kept to PMs? I have had differences with other posters on here, and sometimes things do become personal, but it really ruins the general ethos of support and respect to have people slagging each other off on the thread. I am not taking sides, I am pretty ignorant about the nature and content of the grievances, and I respect everybody on here. I appreciate the support I have had from everybody, but this sort of business makes me nervous to come here. Xx

NookNook Tue 23-Jul-13 17:39:32

Hi Motor! Lovely to see you. Please don't be nervous. I hope that's settled it once and for all.

Where are you based? I like being able to get a bit of an idea of your lives <weirdo>

MotorcycleMama Tue 23-Jul-13 17:41:36

I'm 6+1. Still not going to believe I'm pregnant for real until I have my scan, which has now been brought forward to next Weds when I'll be 7+2. My hcg had nearly quadrupled over 4 days to 22000, which I was surprised about because the last reading was 6000 and I read that over 6000 it takes about 4 days to double.
Still very few symptoms - felt quite nauseous all morning, and getting light- headed at times, but fine otherwise.

MotorcycleMama Tue 23-Jul-13 17:42:47

nook I'm in Cambridge. How about you?

NookNook Tue 23-Jul-13 18:29:45

Ah so you're exactly a week ahead of me. So nice that we're all around the same (apart from Prammy and her immense norks steaming ahead!).

I gather it's natural to feel so utterly pessimistic as we all seem to! Roll on 12 weeks.

Very good news that they've brought your scan forward. I'm thinking of having one privately next week (at 6 weeks).

I'm in South London.

NookNook Tue 23-Jul-13 18:32:20

And I have very few symptoms. A bit of nausea (I think) and sore boobs. Oh and a bit of cramp but that's nearly stopped now.

MotorcycleMama Tue 23-Jul-13 18:37:53

nook my clinic were very clear with me that they would not consider doing a scan earlier than 7 weeks because you run the risk of not being able to see everything you want to at that stage, hence making you more anxious, and meaning that you probably have to go back again in a week. So denied that course of action (which makes sense) I resorted to the blood tests! It seems like such a long wait though doesn't it - almost unbearable.

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 18:55:18


PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 18:55:47

..that's Zorba's Americana pizza with chips for you.

Motor! So lovely to see you smile. My clinical so refuse to see you before 7 weeks.

I have sore boobs and nausea if I don't eat. But I don't know what I want to eat. I also have constant headaches. My nurse told me paracetamol is absolutely fine, so I may have some. I also have some strange sensations down there grin

Motor which clinic are you at? Is it bourn hall by any chance? Only I'm at their other clinic in Essex!

Ooh, did you save me a slice Prammy? <hopeful>

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 19:01:14

Motor, I honestly don't think you'll believe you're having a baby until the midwife says, 'It's a boy!/girl!' [delete where appropriate] When I had my scan at 6+1 she was about to do an external belly thingy but I told her I'd just been for a piss and she asked if I minded a fannycam. The baby is as clear as owt on my photo and exactly the shape of a monkey nut, bless. I'm looking forward to seeing teeny tiny stubs for limbs this Friday smile

It's a bloody stressful and arduous wait isn't it, this first trimester? At least we're all in it toggevver, innit? By the time we get to the second trimester it won't make a scintilla of difference that I'm a couple of weeks ahead; we will all just be plain old preggers by then. Yay!

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 19:06:51

Did I fuck as like, Maybe, the bastard didn't even tough the sides. I was sicking into my mouth waiting for the delivery man but I'm so used to what that means now: get me some carbs and other fattening filth, pronto!

Weird feelings 'down below': yep, had them, too, a week or so back. Sometimes it felt as though my cervix was pulsating then other times I felt that vague dragging sensation in my bikini line which used to precede my period. Around six weeks I had the most terrifying firecracker-type cramps - do you remember me saying? Nasty. It may well have been a backed-up mammoth shit. Who knows? <shrugs>

I'm going to the scan on Friday alone....AGAIN!

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 19:07:09


PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 19:12:30

Oh, I'm Oop North, by-the-way, 45 mins away from South Lakes but nowhere near Yorkshire (eee by gum!)

Bollocks Prammy. I shall have to stick with my king prawn and chorizo pasta <pouts>

Yes to the dragging feeling. Though to be fair, this is normally relieved by having monumental poo blush. Alone again? That sucks arse.

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 20:04:37

It does indeed suck the sweat from a cadaver's balls. Ne'er mind....hopefully he'll be at the birth hmm

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 20:04:54

We've chosen our names blush

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 20:05:07


Kafri Tue 23-Jul-13 20:13:43

A quick hijack guys!!

Just wanted to congratulate you all - my very own 7m IVF monster has just gone to bed

I remember every last day of my pg from the dreaded 2ww through to the day I gave birth. It never got easier. I told myself after every appointment that i'd stop fretting but that lasted, oh, until I got in the car on the way home, lol

And then, the mw hands you your much longed from baby and words just cannot describe.....

well, then you have a whole load of other things to worry about grin

good luck, hope all goes well

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 20:24:29

Aw, thanks, Kafri, very kind of you to come and encourage us. Congrats on your baby!

I'm chuffed to buggery for Kate & Wills. Watching them with their big boy made me all warm inside. Aren't we just the most fortunate women in the world to be preggo? smile

Thanks so much Kafri it's so nice to know we aren't mental grin

Prammy what names? <nosey bitch>. Are you finding out what bits it has?!

Im also chuffed for them. I got butterflies loser

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 20:35:44

Maybe, I feel like a serious loser talking about names sad What a total dick. However, I am utterly convince I'm not alone so here goes: <gulp>

Walter and Beatrix.

No, we will not be finding out the sex.

MotorcycleMama Tue 23-Jul-13 21:43:31

I love Beatrix - beautiful. And would shorten nicely too.

Oh I love them Prammy! Where did you get your inspiration from?

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 22:48:25

I love old bastard names. I wanted Queenie desperately for a girl (still do) but absolutely everyone in my family almost choke with disgust when I bring it up. They are begging me to not use it. I'm sad because I don't just like it, I love it. Queen Victoria was nicknamed Queenie in private family circles and it became a very popular name in the late nineteenth century. Beatrix is my second fave but I hate Bea sad It makes me think of that goggle-eyed horror, Princess Beatrice. I wanted Margo last year but that alien-head Sophie Dahl nicked it. I really loved Theodora last year, too, but that lardy fucker Robbie Williams snaffled it.

Walter is just so lovely but I will assault anyone who chooses to call him Wally.

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 22:52:29

I fancied bible names too: Salome - pronounced like salami but with an 'o' (but she was a prostitute); Solomon (th'usband says "too black" hmm); and Lucius (th'usband thinks it's too similar to Lucifer).

Ooooh I love Lucius! So dapper! But then so is Walter. A proper gents name I feel.

Is DH on board with Queenie? If so, would you not be tempted to go for it anyway?! devils advocate

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 23:10:01

Maybe, th'usband is incredibly accommodating considering some of the more obscure names I've chucked at him. Right up until we got pregnant he was up for Queenie but since the BFP all he will say is, 'do we have to?' and then looks a bit shamed. My eldest niece, Laurie, whose opinions I really value, almost vomited at the suggestion of Queenie and said it was the most chavtastic and hideous name ever sad

Haha! Chavtastic?! I wouldn't say that at all. And I'm an Essex girl so know all about chavs wink

PramelaAftersun Tue 23-Jul-13 23:14:39

We have to be really careful because I have an unbelievably broad Lancashire accent which is truly horrid and the name we really wanted for a boy - Hector - had to be abandoned simply because I can't/won't pronounce my aitches. My best friend at uni was Harriet and for three years all around campus and in the clubs and pubs you would hear me bellowing: "'arriet! 'arriet!" blush

Can you imagine me screeching "'ector!" in the supermarket? sad

MotorcycleMama Wed 24-Jul-13 06:20:38

pram Theodora is one off my favourites, but DH thinks it sounds 'pretentious'. The predicted rise in popularity after Robbie used it hasn't happened yet. I'm very mindful of shortenings, and it would work well that way too. Lucius is beautiful! I can't have names which end in S as my surname starts with S too. I could have Lucien for a boy instead?

PramelaAftersun Wed 24-Jul-13 08:12:54

Motor, I've loved Lucien ever since I read A Time To Kill by John Grisham in my late teens. I went off it slightly when Donald Sutherland played the character in the film. Theodora would be shortened to Teddy in my house - which I think is gorgeous for a girl - but one of my cats is called the same sad

My friend, beige sludge, is back <pretends to be welcoming> hmm

PramelaAftersun Wed 24-Jul-13 08:20:57

Erm....where is fish??

grin Prammy. I think hector is amazing!

We are having Teddy for a boy. I love it. We can't agree on girls names. My DH is the same Motor. He thinks a lot if names sound pretentious. I really love Darcy for a girl. Don't think I'll be allowed it!!

PramelaAftersun Wed 24-Jul-13 15:48:22

I'm blardy-well bored shitless. Where are you all? Your jobs can't be that important, surely?

Fish for tea sad

I'm going to be sick................

I'm here Prammy. I'm not starting my new job till Monday. That's going to go down like a sack of shit......

What fish? I don't know what I want. A supermarket needs to be visited but I'm too indecisive!

Are you vomiting at the thought of fish?!

PramelaAftersun Wed 24-Jul-13 16:32:37

Maybe, not the thought of fish; the thought of anything. Don't get me wrong: I am delighted to be having these symptoms, I really am, but this level of dibilitating nausea is pretty difficult to handle. The cats are yowling because 4pm is their tea time and I can not open a tin of cat food. Imagining the smell made me run to the bog at 4.10 when Teddy became hysterical and I considered it. They'll have to wait until 7pm when th'usband gets in. I could open the tin with a towel over my mouth but the lingering smell is just too much.

I have such a strong constitution and am never, ever ill so it's all just a bit..well...sickening ('scuse the pun.

Can you tell us owt about your new job? I'm excited on your behalf <sad cah>

There's a girl on the March 2014 antenatal thread who is a self-confessed OCD anal nightmare (she did statistics at uni and when she was a little 'un she went to math camp...'cos she wanted to). She has set up a map on google of the UK with pins for all the places where we live. Take a look Bless her, she's absolutely lovely and confessed to having a full-blown panic attack in a meeting yesterday as she knew we'd updated our stats (she's devised a stats list on its own thread) and was desperate to update the list hmm

Oh wow, that is hardcore stats!! I hate the bloody things! I'm a scientist and they have plagued me for many a year!! I will go and have a butchers though!!

My new job is as a medical writer! What do you do Prammy?

That's shit about the old sickness. I too have an iron stomach. I haven't thrown up for ten years. I have a bit of a phobia of being sick. If I didn't feed my pooch he'd never let me hear the end of it!!

NookNook Wed 24-Jul-13 17:37:34

I'm here! Just too lazy to write. [Blush]

I'm now going to get my haircut in an attempt to feel a bit more normal. I am SO bloated and I have developed some attractive chest acne so I need all the help I can get.

Pram sorry you're still feelibg shite. Cat food makes me gag st the best if times. Can you convert them to dry food? That is a little easier on the olfactory.

Maybe your job sounds very glam.

PramelaAftersun Wed 24-Jul-13 17:38:18

I haven't worked since I started TTC, Maybe, and I don't intend to work ever again. I made a conscious decision to opt out of my career and the rat race in general and th'usband is aware he will have to support us on his own for, like, ever.

I would be happy to divulge more but to explain what triggered this 'opting out' would seriously out me. Suffice to say it was pretty traumatic and I am blessed to have a very hard-working husband who is happy for me to raise a family while he brings home the bacon. I would rather forego expensive holidays and cars than go back to my old life. I am bored sometimes, but my life before was horrid, horrid, horrid. I had such an epiphany and chucked away most of my friends, too. Just cast them off. 'Twas very liberating. Those who are left are the creme de la creme of generous-hearted, clever, kind people. My family are ace, too.

Oh Nook I'm sure you look lovely. I'm feeling very h attractive too. I had my hair done the other day, and it helped no end smile

Prammy you sound like you could be me!! I went through a similar such epiphany almost a year ago now!!

PramelaAftersun Wed 24-Jul-13 17:42:23

Hello, Nook, you lazy bitch smile Chest acne? That makes the yellow-headed zit on my clavicle a little easier to understand then hmm

Maybe, do you write for The Lancet? Ooh, how exciting! Would you like to interview me about my unwanted nipple hair? sad

NookNook Wed 24-Jul-13 17:44:06

Damn you both! I want an epiphany!!!

Haha, I don't Prammy but I could always write about you anyway? Nipple hair is a hot topic wink

grin Nook

NookNook Wed 24-Jul-13 17:49:05

Pluck those mofos out Pram. And one zit? Pfffff <dismissive>

PramelaAftersun Wed 24-Jul-13 17:57:45

You don't want an epiphany, Nook. It changes the landscape of your whole world and brings so much new responsibility with it. I have changed so much and learned so many things that I feel marginalised by my experiences sometimes. I sound like a dick, don't I? sad I am blessedly content, though smile

grin not a dick at all Prammy. I am pleased what happened happened. I was desperately unhappy and now feel so much better for it!

PramelaAftersun Wed 24-Jul-13 18:05:00

I promise I don't have a messiah complex.

PramelaAftersun Wed 24-Jul-13 18:05:30

...nor am I Denise Welch grin

Lifeasafish Wed 24-Jul-13 18:09:40

Ffs - I've only just found you!

I've been stressing about hearts and development and need your experiences of how you dealwith t. Anyway, I'll read back now!

grin Prammy are you sure you aren't Denise? I've never seen the two of you together!!

fish! Hurrah!

Lifeasafish Wed 24-Jul-13 18:23:03

I'll be back later/tm, but I'm here.

Scan is 1st aug, i'm currently 5 weeks 6 days. Tests are still strong and I've got a digi for tm morn.

I'm east London btw.

Not long till the first now Fish! You must have spent a fortune on your digis! I was eased to see line move up after two. If it hadnt gone up, I too would be buying shares I. Clearblue wink

What's for dinner?

NookNook Wed 24-Jul-13 19:41:50

Hello Fish!!!

Lifeasafish Wed 24-Jul-13 20:36:17

nomaybe about 20 quid. I bought 2 double digi's and I've 1 left. I want to see if its gone past 2-3 weeks.

But I found some tests in the pound shop - double pack for a pound. Asda now sell them too. So my test a day hasn't been too bad on the pocket. A fiver gets me 10 days worth.

I missed 2 days of testin and it made me more anxious I think. I tend to check the tests throughout the day you see. I've yesterdays and todays next to me on the sofa now, and all of the pound shop ones used... blush x2

Lifeasafish Wed 24-Jul-13 20:37:11

Oh and the first seems eons away.

Hey nook gives royal wave.

PramelaAftersun Wed 24-Jul-13 21:14:16

Fish, you sound really anxious. What's this about hearts and development?

If it's helping Fish, that's all that matters! I've kept all my tests too, they're on my bedside table grin

Time does seem to be going very slowly, you're right. The 13th seems like a long way away!

Lifeasafish Wed 24-Jul-13 21:40:20

I bet it does nomaybe. Sorry - I'm being self indulgent.

juicy (i prefer it!) you've probably not read the other thread. I realised last week that our embie was due to grow a heart. And for some reason I cannot get it out of my head that it must be such a hard task for it to do. It's already been through so much.

Totally irrational I know. Every animal with a heartbeat started somewhere, but I am seriously struggling with the concept of my 3 mm embie growing a heart.

I think I just need to accept that I cannot get my head around this until next week. I've no symptoms, though DH has noticed my boobs are bigger and heavier. He still won't shag me though... Scared he might damage something hmm and no. While he is 'blessed' he is not hung like a 20" porn star.

We havent had sex for weeks shock

Lifeasafish Wed 24-Jul-13 21:42:23

I've had a 2 day headache, am tired but no concrete symptoms.

I was feeling queasy on and off but its probably due to my drinking milk. 1 more week til scan. Sigh.

Don't you apologise Fish! We are here for support!! I've had a constant headache too. It's fine to take paracetamol, my nurse told me.

On the sex front, is it ok now? I know it was banned after transfer, but if I'm honest, I feel like a dog on heat grin

Being an embryo is amazing. They get through so much stuff. My friend is a midwife. She told me there is now evidence to suggest that talking to your embryo actually encourages brain development!! Even at this early stage!!

Lifeasafish Wed 24-Jul-13 22:11:07

Sex has always been fine! We were told so after ET, but I had been so swollen and sore due to my ovaries there was no way he was coming close.

Maybe its the progesterone as I'm like a bitch in heat.

Is it only us on the sex ban then?! grin

Are you drinking the milk for a reason?

MotorcycleMama Wed 24-Jul-13 22:49:00

fish I'm sorry you are having a hard time. 1 week to go til scan. My scan has been brought forward slightly, so I am now a day ahead of you and mine is on Wednesday. I'm really glad I'm not the only one who lined up all the tests and kept looking at them obsessively. I have stopped now though, because the line can only get so dark! And the CB digi one said 2-3 weeks when I should have been 3+ weeks, so I got scared. My beta hcg taken the next day was pretty high, so I think that is a more accurate test.

Hi nook and maybe

juicy when is your scan?

Lifeasafish Thu 25-Jul-13 06:32:48

nomaybe there is no reason. I'm lactose intolerant but at times my gut can produce enough enzyme or whatever it is that breaks down the lactose.

Then it stops

And i go through a period (months) where I'm sick/ queasy. I only have a tiny bit of milk with my tea/ coffee, but it tastes awful without. It could be a symptom I don't know.

Clear blue has shown 1-2 instead of 3+. Shit. Chemical has come to mind.

Fish try not to panic yet. How many weeks are you now?

MotorcycleMama Thu 25-Jul-13 06:54:51

fish Why not arrange 2 hcg blood tests? One result on it's own won't help particularly, but 48 hours apart will show if things are progressing as they should. The HPTs are not really helping. I hate to see you going through this. You've had no bleeding, right? I'm sure everything will be just fine. X

NookNook Thu 25-Jul-13 07:15:26

Fish it's rotally understandable to be feeling like this. You've been through so much to get to this point. Some people just don't have symptoms, especially at this early stage. I know you know all this already but you have to keep reminding yourself that the odds are well and truly stacked in your favour (a hard thing to adjust to after IVF!). I won't give you a slap but I will give you a slightly rough cuddle and a stern but loving look.

Motor is he guru of hcg tests. I think it's a really good suggestion. Where are you based? Tests sem to be easy to arrange in big cities.

Lifeasafish Thu 25-Jul-13 07:20:38

6 weeks today...

The doc and I had a chat yesterday and the conclusion was that the blood tests wouldn't satisfy my immediate fears. He actually offered to try to send me for an early scan wi the caveat that it would pribably be after my booked scan.

But I will call the surgery this morning and see if they will sort a test.

I've not had any bleeding at all, but the progesterone would stop that.

This is silly really, I've lost all the neutrality that I had during the cycle and am now neurotic. Which I am not happy about hmm.

Just seems way to good to be true. sad

Lifeasafish Thu 25-Jul-13 07:23:56

Thank you for your support, I sound exactly like what I don't like to be! Somehow the Ivf was a bit easier emotionally, even when mine was close to abandonment.

I'll call when the surgery opens.

I know what you mean Fish, I was so chilled through the IVF. It's only now I worry!

Also,the progesterone wouldn't necessarily stop you bleeding of things were bad. A take the non-bleeding as a positive sign smile. Hope your dr was of some help x

Lifeasafish Thu 25-Jul-13 08:59:05

Dammit, i just lost a post.

I'm to go in an hour - they've booked me in for bloods.

I cannot believe how stressed out I have become. I'm really missing my previous neutrality.

Good luck Fish! Your GP sounds better than mine wink

Lifeasafish Thu 25-Jul-13 09:22:23

My practice manager is worth her weight in gold.

I have had major issues with a bulldog receptionist of 'computer says no' school of reception. I made a complaint about the way she spoke to me she didn't know what was wrong with me and I was concerned that her nonchalant - call back in the morning- could be detrimental to the elderly in particular. Me and this woman have had issues for a good while.

Anyway, yesterday I overheard her being bollocked as she took a phone all where someone reported coughing up blood and told them to ring next day for a same day appointment. Wtaf. They really need to sack her arse.
I was shocked. Her response to all this was - but we were fully booked.

Just a story for today. I'm getting like the elderly at the bus stop. Yu know the ones desperate to talk!

When will you have the results Fish?

You ok Prammy?

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 13:26:11

Fish, let me tell you: I'm on 800mg of progesterone (pessaries) and I still bled, remember? Even after terrifically high beta results (remember? We thought it was twins?) I feared mt six-week scan enormously because of the brown sludge and then the bleed on the morning of the scan. Everything was fine. Since then I've had to befriend the sludge 'cos it aint going anywhere soon by the looks of it.

The Clearblue digis are not designed to be used frequently. They are not to be trusted to measure HcG properly after the first fortnight. Do not use another one.

I'm going to talk about God now: there is no need to fret about an embryo's ability to form thing like a heart. The embryo doesn't control this: God does. Whether you believe in Him or not you have to see that a higher power than the embryo itself is making its heart beat and limbs grow. Have faith that there is a Creator behind all this much bigger than you or the embryo.

Early scans and beta bloods only assuage our fears momentarily. We just become fretful about the next scan (like I am tomorrow) or the next test and it goes on and on ad nauseum. The answer, in my experience, is to look beyond your own human doubts and try to have faith that whoever or whatever designed you and your baby (and I believe that is God) is working out His plan with no effort required at all.

I know it's scary, but you have to put something in place to drive those demons out. They will tell you that this is all up to you and the embryo now and only fretting immeasurably will bring a happy outcome. Not true. This embryo's life does not depend on your frame of mind. Take courage and have faith xx

That goes for all of us thanks

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 13:28:25

Can you tell from the tweaked nickname that my preference is for a boy? hmm

Prammy that's so nicely put smile

I am not overly religious (despite irish Catholicism from 3 grandparents) but I do really believe that this is out of my control. As was the whole IVF process in general. Yes, we have to look after ourselves, but after that, there is really nothing else we can do. The lovely nurse I saw told me to just go with it, as has my midwife friend. So that's what I'm going to do. Yes, I will be terrified before my scan, but I just have to go with the flow smile

grin I like it Prammy! I also keep saying he hmm

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 13:41:29

Maybe, it doesn't help that this society is now so geared towards making us believe that everything is in our control, we are masters of our destiny and we can have anything we want if we try hard enough (or chuck enough money at it). We are not in control of everything, we are not masters of our destiny and we cannot have everything we want, and if we just surrender to the notion that this is no longer a task we can project manage like the rest of our lives we can breathe that little bit easier.

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 13:43:23

I'm still nervous about my scan tomorrow, but I resolutely refuse to dwell on the what ifs. The what ifs are already taken care of smile

That's it in a nutshell Prammy. It's almost like we want to apportion blame on to ourselves. 'if I'd done this, if I hadn't done that'....

Lifeasafish Thu 25-Jul-13 17:16:25

Thank you juicyprammy. I begged in church on tuesday that this embie is given a chance. I actually got on my knees and begged like I've never before. I just need to trust I guess.

I had a real uncontrolled meltdown earlier. In a nutshell, the surgery sent me for a bloody confirmation test not a beta test hmm so when I went to the bloods place The blood taker rowed with me stating I needed to give urine (blood were on the fucking form), then stabbed me and collapsed my vein. Obviously with my history I know how 'not' to take blood he did it on purpose

You know when someone just oozes you silly liitle girl attitude? I don't always look as old as I am. I ask aout results - 5 days.

Anyway I got in The car and bawled and bawled.

Phoned a pharma/spiritual friend in the end and she spoke some sense to me. I haven't cried since ec and I think I may have had pent up emotion as I feel strangely calmer about it all now. I just cannot believe that we are lucky enough to have got a +'ve at all.

I'm now not as convinced that my embie has left me. Thank you for the flowers.

MotorcycleMama Thu 25-Jul-13 17:32:27

fish what can I say? 5 days for results? That is ridiculous. I would speak to your GP again and get them to sort it out as an 'urgent' request so you get the results on the same day, and requesting quantitative beta hcg on the damn form. I'm very angry for you, and sad that you are going through this uncertainty. One consolation I hope is that we are all going through the same.

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 17:32:41

Fish, my love, that man has some serious issues and should not be in that profession. Don't sweat it and don't take it personally: he may be being raped every night by aliens. Don't wait five days for the results, ring tomorrow - they will have them. Crying is so very therapeutic, so do it as often as you feel like it.

I get you when you say you can't believe your luck. I have to slap myself when I tell God that I'm frightened he'll take my baby away because of my abortion and because I've lived such an awful and hedonistic life.

IVF has to work for some, right? We are no more deserving than anyone else, we are just really blessed that we were in that percentage. You would know about it if your embryo had detached and was leaving you; the cramps would be awful and the blood plentiful and bright red. I hope you find the strength to drive away the demons x

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 17:34:13

Disclaimer: I categorically do not believe in aliens (but he has been inseminated by evil) grin

grin Prammy

Fish what a day you have had. Have you got something nice planned for this evening? You deserve some R&R. I cannot believe that guy. And what bollocks, your results will easily be ready tomorrow. Hoping and praying the good result (asi know it will be) will reassure you x

And Motors right, we are all in the same boat smile

In other news, I've had a massive nap. I don't do naps, but blimey, it was immense!

Lifeasafish Thu 25-Jul-13 17:46:47

motor this is a funding issue. The clinic do not want to pay for it and neither does my GP surgery. So neither will offer the quant beta. I'm not putting my energy into fighting this - I'll have to wait. I told the nurse that I would be happy to pay myself but of course - this will jeopardise my entire IVF funding.

I'll wait the next few days as prammy says it will be a temporary reprieve and won't actually tell me if a heart has developed.

prammy he is/was an arse but I've not internalised it. He didn't make me cry as such, he was just the last straw. Its his wife I feel sorry for confused

It would be hypocritical for me to bitch slap you over your nerves for the scan, but fuck it - I'm not perfect <slaps juicy with wet fish>

I feel a lot calmer. Its nearly the weekend and I'm looking forward to spending time with DH.

God isn't a vengeful god. He is forgiving therefore will not punish due to past behaviour that has its time and place. Plus I can think of many worse things than you have done...

Lifeasafish Thu 25-Jul-13 17:48:07

nomaybe i've napped every day this week!

I've decided to go back to work in a fortnight. This being at home business is affecting my peace of mind.

Its a revelation Fish grin

What do you do for work? <nosey cow>

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 18:37:39

Fish, even though I saw a heartbeat two weeks ago it's two weeks ago. I'm irrationally worried because, at my eleven week scan last year, I was told there was no baby; it hadn't developed beyond implantation (they call this a blighted ovum and all that develops is a placenta and sac). Imagine hugging your belly for eleven weeks and being told there wasn't a baby after summat like four weeks!

That's why I fear tomorrow, but when I still my mind and rationalise my fears I remember that this time it's not my ancient, chromasomally-abnormal egg - it's a young 24 year-old's. This time around I've heard a heartbeat and seen a monkey nut at six weeks. So this is where my hope lies for tomorrow.

But, but....[sighs]

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 18:39:12

Can we please have a debate around the use of nosy and nosey? I know both are correct but it is adding to my anxiety <anal>

Prammy I always interchange them!! I can never decide which one to use!! I hate being grammatically incorrect, and quite often want to hang my head in shame due to iPhone typos <also anal>

That heartbeat is going to be going like the clappers tomorrow. What time you up?

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 19:05:55

10am, Maybs.

I vote for 'nosy'. Coz otherwise we'll have to start having 'shiney' innit? <clutches pearl necklace and realises it's sperm globules glistening prettily>

Girls, I am sending over some of my home-made cottage pie with bacon chucked in and cheesy nutmeg mash on the top. You're welcome.

grin Prammy I am rather fond of a pearl necklace.

I'm being a heathen and having fish and chips. I'll be having your pie for later though, sounds immense. I hope it cools down soon so that I feel like slaving over a hot stove.

10am you say. I shall be refreshing my screen. Are you going to put up another photo? I bet there's such a difference!

Lifeasafish Thu 25-Jul-13 20:36:05

prammy flowers as you've said yourself, this is a different egg a younger one. I'm sure it will all be fine once a heartbeat has been seen the miscarriage risk is extremely low.
Less than 10%

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 21:05:48

Maybs, don't forget I don't have t'internet on my phone so I will only be able to report back two-bus-journeys-and-one-and-a-half-hours later hmm Of course i will put a photo up if there's owt there

So, you Will be putting a photo up as there is something there.

<considers learning semaphore to keep in touch with Prammy>

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 21:12:45

Is semaphore them smoke clouds wot injuns used to send out? <puffs on pipe>

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 21:29:18

Fanks, fish, 10% looks massive on my computer screen, like: TEN PER-CENT!!!!! (but miles massiver)

What's been had for tea?

No it's flags and the like Prammy!

Is it wrong to google the stats of miscarrying in IVF during the first 12 weeks vs the chances in a normal pregnancy?

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 21:37:57

That is wronger than the wrongest wrong wrought by a wrong 'un sad

Ok. I'm not going to. I'm just bloated I'm in pain and it's making me worry something's going wrong. Sorry Prams sad

<slaps self about face>

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 21:42:53

Do you know something? I have not googled a single thing since the start of IVF on 1st June (mock cycle). And I won't. If you go looking for shit you will find it. The only stats I insisted on knowing were the ones offered by my Czech clinic for women over 40. The rest is pseudo-science and doesn't actually give you answers <smashes gavel to smithereens>

You're right Prammy. The only thing I have googled is my embryo every day. So I can visualise him. Sad, I know, but I find it so incredible what he's up to in there!!

My momentary madness has dispersed. Thanks for setting me on the straight and narrow x

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 21:46:43

I'm not a saint, Maybs - you know I'm quietly terrified - but google is so rubbish in these situations; it stops us from having faith in what is actually a normally-progressing pregnancy. None of us hs had genuine reason to despair. We are not doubled over cramping and flooding our knickers with clotty blood. We are healthy and we've been blessed. Let's keep smashing each other round the chops until we start to see sense.

Describe this pain you're having, pliz.

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 21:48:47

...and you might as well not only make bloating your friend but you'd better set him up in the spare room.

NookNook Thu 25-Jul-13 21:50:05

Oh his wait is horrific! We're all going MAD. I can't take it. The stats for all this shit are meaningless really. All I keep thinking is that the odds are finally in my favour and if I got through all that other bollocks then surely this bit must work.... right....? Right......?

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 21:50:23

I have just googled 'neurotic pregnant slags' and it came up: Maybe and Essex

NookNook Thu 25-Jul-13 21:51:13

My bloating needs his own fucking wing.

Haha! Yup, I'm a certified nut job tonight Nook!

Prammy it's just proper uncomfortable down there. But it is much relieved when I fart. I amaze myself with my attractiveness sometimes.....

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 21:52:37

...oh, wait......and.....*NookNook*!

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 21:54:22

I laughed out loud at this:

My bloating needs his own fucking wing.


grin Prammy grin

I mean Nook grin

NookNook Thu 25-Jul-13 22:07:01

I love you both!

Nutjobs united.

Lifeasafish Thu 25-Jul-13 22:08:11

Oh, sorry prammy I obviously meant that as a good thing and did you miss the 'less than'?

Actually IVF stats might b e slightly lower than normal in many cases as the best embie has been chosen and they managed to survive outside.

I'll stop with that, I'm sorry. i admire your lack of googling though.

NookNook Thu 25-Jul-13 22:12:19

Also the cyclogest and pred will be keeping it in there when other embies may have failed. X

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 22:13:52

Oh, fish, don't be daft, I'm joking with you. Even 2% would look like this to me at the moment: TWO PER-CENT!!!!!! (but even ginormouserererer).

I love this love-in we have got going on. If you all lives near me, I'd bake you all cakes. I'm a feeder you see....

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 22:16:27

I have just googled GINGER IVF BABIES and it came up: 'None exist so thank your lucky fecking stars and stop worrying'.

NookNook Thu 25-Jul-13 22:17:24

I will move closer to you if you're promising regular cakeage.

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 22:17:32

Get knotted, Maybs, I've already fed the troops wiv me cottage pie, innit.

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 22:18:38

Does anyone live anywhere near me? <pout>

You wait Prammy, come midnight, those cakes'll be nabbed....

Also I bloody love ginger. DH has a complex as he is not ginger!!

Move Nook. That's all.

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 22:20:00

Just because th'usband went to prison once years ago he thinks it's imperative to watch Crimewatch every single month to see if any of his old comrades are on hmm

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 22:21:05

...which is why we were not allowed to adopt ('cos of prison, not 'cos we watch Crimewatch).

NookNook Thu 25-Jul-13 22:22:17

I have no idea if anyone lives near you Pram you're very far north of the Watford gap... .grin

Prammy this is the most exciting news I've heard all week!!

Anything north of the M25 is the top of the world as far as I'm concerned.....

NookNook Thu 25-Jul-13 22:23:20

That sucks Pram

NookNook Thu 25-Jul-13 22:23:59

The adoption thing not that fact that you're northern...

I realise that sounded somewhat insensitive blush

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 22:26:18

It does indeed suck, but I can totally understand social services being wary of someone with a predilection for goats.

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 22:27:07

Nook, I'm giggling away here at your bumbling grin

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 22:28:03


Goats?! Tell me more Prammy....

PramelaAndherson Thu 25-Jul-13 22:56:09

Th'usband thinks it is appalling that I have joked about him rogering goats. He's none too happy that I've told you he's an ex-con either confused I told him to calm down and that there is no way the girls will guess I am married to Mick Philpott.

Oh Prammy you crack me up!!! What would we do without you?!!

Lifeasafish Fri 26-Jul-13 07:53:21

Good luck for today prammy. Poor mr prammy getting exposed on the thread!

Good luck Prammy, can't wait to hear all about it!!

How you feeling today Fish?

Lifeasafish Fri 26-Jul-13 08:03:26

A lot better thanks.

Chances are I would be bleeding if something was wrong and I've not bled at all. Todays test (cheapie) is as strong as normal and there's no point in my preparing for the worst as I will be distraught if it happens anyway.

So My mental attitude is much better.

For now...

Hurrah Fish I'm so pleased to hear it. Glad that today's test has reassured you. I've heard soapy people get in a panic over the digitals not going up, and they are all fine. So you have nice plans for the weekend to distract you?

MotorcycleMama Fri 26-Jul-13 08:49:15

Good luck for the scan today prammy. Can't wait to see/hear how your little peanut is progressing.

Glad you're feeling a bit better today fish.

Hi maybe and nook.

Well, after a blissful few days of feeling that everything was good with the world, I'm afraid I have returned to an 'it's all over' mode. My hcg on Monday was 22000 ish and yesterday was 31000. That means that the increase has slowed considerably, which has worried me. Now from what I have read, once the level gets over 6000 the rate of increase reduces and can take "4 or more days to double", so I guess it is consistent with that but still.. Anyway, I am trying not to panic, and just hold out for the scan on Wednesday. I have considered bringing it forward, but we have got a very social weekend coming up, and if I have a scan now and see no heartbeat, I will not be able to manage the weekend at all, so I figure I should just keep to Weds. Sorry to be a misery-guts.

MotorcycleMama Fri 26-Jul-13 08:50:24

maybe 'soapy people'??

Sorry you're having a wobble Motor, but it sounds like your levels are doing exactly what they're meant to be. And don't apologise smile

You can always rely on me for an iPad typo!! It should read so many blush

PramelaAndherson Fri 26-Jul-13 12:16:53

Good for you, fish, keep looking ahead and ignore the demons.

Motor, I promise you: even after your scan, when the joy has worn off, you will worry until your next one. And then the one after that. My point is that our anxiety and doubts about this pregnancy have absolutely no bearing on the truth. Your levels are doing what the textbooks say and you have no evidence to point to any problems. Take courage.

I am over-the-moon to report that prawn-head is doing brilliantly with a strong heartbeat and is measuring 8+3, which brings my due date forward from 6th March to the 4th. And guess what? They're scanning me again in two weeks! I am so, so grateful and they have told me I am being looked after like this because of last year's mmc and because this is an IVF baby (she was polite enough to not mention I'm a dinosaur). So...my care will be consultant-led and I will be assigned a one-on-one midwife who will come to my home throughout the pregnancy!

Oh, I forgot to ask for a scan photo blush. It was a belly scan this time and rubbishly unclear and fuzzy - I honestly saw more at the six-weeks vaginal scan - but she pointed out the heartbeat and this prawn-like head developing. I am in love.

PramelaAndherson Fri 26-Jul-13 12:17:25

Thanks you, my friends, for hand-holding xxx

Oh I am over the bloody moon for you Prammy, that's the best news grin. And such special care!! Brilliant, brilliant news xxx

PramelaAndherson Fri 26-Jul-13 12:29:21

Aw, fanks, NoCarbsBeforeMarbsMaybs x

MotorcycleMama Fri 26-Jul-13 12:32:17

Tears are in my eyes pram - how delightful and wonderful! X

PramelaAndherson Fri 26-Jul-13 12:37:50

SidecarSandra, this will be you on Wednesday, I promise. You'll be skipping for, er...about forty minutes, until you find something extra to be paranoid about hmm grin

PramelaAndherson Fri 26-Jul-13 12:44:21

Ooooh, and for the googling stat-lovers: a heartbeat at eight weeks puts the chances of miscarriage at 2%. Nurse Hatchett told me.

MotorcycleMama Fri 26-Jul-13 13:01:03

Yes, yes, pram you go ahead and take the piss! You're totally right though, and made me smile. I'm being pretty calm compared to my previous weeks panics! Fingers crossed I'll have a little peanut to see on Weds. X

You Will have a monkey nut to see Motor

Loving my new name Prammy so apt for my Essex connection wink

Thank goodness for old nurse hatchett!

Lifeasafish Fri 26-Jul-13 15:34:05

Ohhhh, prammy thats wonderful! What a relief!

I am so happy for you and the prawn. I'm praying I get to the stage where I've a 98% chance of MC - I'm still fighting the demons.

Hs anyone got symptoms? Even pammy's had started by now?

PramelaAndherson Fri 26-Jul-13 15:41:16

fish, do not see my symptoms as a paradigm of early pregnancy! I had massive levels of HcG (remember the world was convinced I was having twins?) and that is why my symptoms were very pronounced early on. The March 2014 thread is full of women with no symptoms whatsoever and they're knocking on eight weeks. They have beige sludge/cramping/red blood/tiredness but no sore boobs or nausea or bloating or weight gain or...anything.

Lifeasafish Fri 26-Jul-13 15:45:35

Hmmm... Ok.

I'm still over the moon for you though. How are you feeling? Has your sludge (what a lovely word) stopped yet?

I really do wish I could move time forward to Thursday. It seems way to far away.

Lifeasafish Fri 26-Jul-13 15:47:56

Also, dates.... Surely I'm more than 2 weeks behind you? I'm sure there was a bigger gap between our EC (as so to speak) dates. I'm supposedly 6+1.

NookNook Fri 26-Jul-13 16:03:40

Well done Prammy! I'm glad Juicybean is doind well.

Poor Life! If it helps think of me and Maybe. We've got over two weeks to wait. Arghhhhhh!!

Lifeasafish Fri 26-Jul-13 16:09:38

Oh nooks, sorry for being so self- indulgent. It is killing me that I am so neurotic about this, although I'm no where near as bad as I was yesterday.

DH an I are going to dinner tonight. I may ask for a IVF/embie discussion ban.

Fuck knows what we will talk about instead.

NookNook Fri 26-Jul-13 16:19:39

No no! I didn't mean that! You are not being self indulgent lovely Fish. We are all just as neurotic. Ihought that it might seem better. As in better than two weeks...

NookNook Fri 26-Jul-13 16:20:03

I might have healthy fish for dinner. Or burgers.

Fish you are not self indulgent. Far from it.

As for symptoms, incredible sore, massive, itchy boobs. Crippling tiredness and bloat. Oh dear me the bloat.

PramelaAndherson Fri 26-Jul-13 16:40:26

I'm feeling proper sick today, fish, thanks for asking.

Whenever I read about K-Middy's favourite shoes being those beige LK Bennett 'sledge shoes' I'm like: hmm

For tea I'm making creamy tagliatelle with sausage, ricotta and basil

Ding Dong Prammy

PramelaAndherson Fri 26-Jul-13 19:41:47

Gadzooks! I just had a Zorba's large chicken kebab and chips followed by a Cadbury Chocolate Chaos Pot, which is the size of a small sandcastle bucket filled with [and I quote]: Cadbury chocolate mousse, vanilla mousse, Cadbury chocolate sauce, caramel sauce, chocolate sponge pieces and milk chocolate-coated shortcake biscuits. It was the dog's sweat-soaked testicles.

Oh Prammy yes to a chicken kebab. We are having curry. But I cannot eat chocolate at the moment. Unless its on a tunnocks tea cake. My poor pooch no longer has his testicles. But if he did, I'm sure they'd give your pot of chaos a run for its money.....

PramelaAndherson Fri 26-Jul-13 21:11:04

Ha! I know what you mean about the chocolate in general, Maybs, as I've gone off it, too. But this bucket is something else; it's just a filthy bastard heap of light mousses, a devilishly good caramel sauce and some other shit. It feels über dirty scoffing it out of a bucket, too.

I'm so very happy tonight. I hope you all have lovely weekends.

And you bloody deserve it Prammy. Hope you have a weekend of celebrations x

PramelaAndherson Fri 26-Jul-13 21:46:50

What you doing this weekend Marbs?

Our friends have asked me to make their wedding cakes for them, so they're coming over tomorrow for a chat and a taster. Then I shall mainly be walking the pup and rustling up some nice grub me thinks. How about your good self?

PramelaAndherson Fri 26-Jul-13 22:12:38

I'm going to terrorise my local greengrocer: 'what's that?'; *''ow much?!'*; 'no fanks, it looks like a knob'^; 'you're a robbing bastard, you are', etc, etc....

Later in the afternoon I will get stuck into the rest of my Cadbury Chocolate Chaos and impress upon th'usband the merits of my staying on the settee rather than helping him in the garden.

Church on Sunday morning and then two-hour chinwag with mutha over the phone (repeat but with sister) followed by the creamy sausage tagliatelle I should have made tonight instead of gorging on Zorba's.

The pressure of making your pals' wedding cake! shock

Sounds like a good-un. You have made me want sausage pasta. So that is what I shall be having. I like the green grocer for the freebies on offer. Of the vegetable variety, obviously.....

I love to bake, especially for other people, so I'm really chuffed they asked! Think I know what I'm doing for them....

resipsa Fri 26-Jul-13 22:21:45

Joos you big softie. I knew it! wink

Lifeasafish Sat 27-Jul-13 10:24:30

Morning all.

motor I found out this morning from our friend google ( and my pharma friend) that HCG peaks around 5-7 weeks. This apparently is why clearblue digi's are useless after 6 weeks. I'm holding onto this nugget of info with both hands.

Yesterday DH and I were in gourmet burger. I ate my dindins with relish (literally grin), got full quickly. Was whinging about the whole mc thing then felt serious nausea for 20 mins. Had to leave abruptly as I like eating there and didn't want to spew on the tableblush

I seems that dairy intolerance can get worse with early pregnancy and I had mozzeralla and 2 lots of mayo (basil and garlic separately). So, it may well be the start of morning sickness rather than just intolerance as I had thought.

So, I'm holding onto a positive attitude for now smile

PramelaAndherson Sat 27-Jul-13 10:39:54

Seems perfectly logical to me, fish, I hope your symptoms come so thick and fast you feel like an utter shower of shit smile

Marbs, do you do them there cakes in the shape of a cock and stuff?

Resipsa, darling, how the frig art thou and why am I a softie?

I have just woken up and am already bored.

That's the thinking Fish! Your burger sounds tres tasty. I too have been getting very full very quick. Hurrah!

Prammy I would love to make a cock cake. No one has ever asked for one though. And I can just see what would happen if I sent DH into work with one...... When are you going to harass the green grocer?

I've been up for hours. I keep having terrible nightmares on a constant loop. And now DH is making me look at family cars. Oh the joy but then he wants to take me to look at baby stuff

MotorcycleMama Sat 27-Jul-13 10:51:41

fish I think you are right. HPTs are really only good for saying if you are pregnant in the early days, but pretty useless after that. And it heartens me that your friends pharma and google say about hcg peaking at that point. That would explain why my hcg went from rising very quickly to 22000, and then only rose to 31000 after 3 days once I got past 6 weeks. I have read that there is really no point in measuring hcg levels once they get past 6000.
So glad to hear you felt sick, and more confident in your pregnancy.
Hi to pram nook maybe. Have I missed anyone?

PramelaAndherson Sat 27-Jul-13 11:09:18

Hi to pram nook maybe. Have I missed anyone?

That cracked me up for some reason, Motor, when there's only four of us grin I wish more egg buddies would get upduffed.

I feel rotten for poor Twinks sad

So do I Prammy sad

MotorcycleMama Sat 27-Jul-13 11:13:28

Yes, but pram, counting to four this morning feels like an achievement! I'm still in my nightclothes and feel like I had a major boozy night out, when all I did was drink something very boringly non-alcoholic and went to bed at 10 pm!

Lifeasafish Sat 27-Jul-13 11:13:33

That is exactly why I directed that to you! And my oharma mate rocks. When I got hysterical it was her who I called for the science and spiritualism.

Gourmet burger do a chicken in panko crumb burger with mozzeralla ontop, basil mayo and I order the garlic mayo as its 'da shit'. I go naked ( bunless). It was heavenly...

MotorcycleMama Sat 27-Jul-13 11:15:32

I feel terrible for twinks too, particularly after the run of BFPs we've had on here. I makes me feel very lucky indeed.

PramelaAndherson Sat 27-Jul-13 16:56:17

I've just slept for four hours. I slept for ten last night shock

NookNook Sat 27-Jul-13 19:16:17

Good for you! I'm tired by 7pm but I think that's just laziness...

I'm shattered too. A very productive day. Bought a proper grown up family car, and sorted wedding cakes and went to look at prams

PramelaAndherson Sat 27-Jul-13 20:48:30

Th'usband's just returned from the shop with a DVD for tonight: Stoker with Nicole Kidman. Heard of it? Watched it? I'm just watching Björk Meets Attenborough. I love that kooky nymph of pop smile

You sound like a wealthy couple to me, Marbs, which means I have to reconsider our friendship...

Golly, I'm tired.....zzzz....zzzz...z.zz..

Noooooooo!! Don't leave me Prammy. Not wealthy, but the car we have can't fit the pooch and a bambino in it.

Not seen your film. I'm watching nick knowles on some national lottery thing whilst trying not to vomit. I have a horrid feeling the nausea has landed. But I'm hungry. I feel I should eat through it.

Did you eat the rest of your sandcastle?

resipsa Sat 27-Jul-13 22:04:59

Joos just reading your post re scan made me think "aww". I guess it's cause your posts are to the point (which I love and DH has a particular brand of Australian assertiveness which is attractive in the same way) and the scan one was squidgy.

I want to join you lot so keep going. Winkle and I will see you soon.

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 09:24:11

Stoker was achingly shit and that's all I have to say about that.

I finished the sandcastle on the very same night I told you I would be troughing it the next day, Marbs sad Yes, eating through the nausea is the only way. I'm actually swallowing down sick sometimes when I'm scrabbling through the fridge/waiting for Zorbas. I'm now getting full very easily - which I find alarming as I have a great appetite - and feeling sick shortly afterwards too. I really, really fancied a shag last night but simply could not be bothered to take my knickers off (or anything really) sad

Resipsa, but when are you coming over? Are you doing DE? Has hubby been booted into submission acquiesced?

I'm off to church soon to pray for you slags sinners lovely ladies xx

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 13:21:46

Crikey! I was just about ready to leave for church when I get a phone call from some midwife wanting to come and do my booking-in. She's only just left! Because it's a Sunday she couldn't ring the hospital for a 12 week scan date so she will do that tomorrow. She's my one-on-one midwife which means she always comes to my home and from week 15 she will bring her machine so we can listen to baby's heartbeat smile

Apparently, I am being so looked-after because this is an IVF baby. The bad news is she said my consultant will not allow this baby to go full-term as they know how precious these babies are to us and we've been through so much to get here they want to avoid any complications. They absolutely would not, she declared, allow the pregnancy to go over forty weeks. She would be looking at an induction around 38 wks confused sad

Oh wow Prammy! You are so lucky to have such amazing care!! Once I get my viability scan, my clinic discharges me, and I just have the normal midwife care!! Why won't they let you go to 40 weeks? Is she nice? I hope so. You'll be having that 12 week scan before you know it grin

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 13:55:57

Marbs, she was lovey and very gentle. I quizzed her about the Kehoe Report where my hospital was damned for having excessive stillbirths in March this year. She told me this was a terrible skewing of statistics: in March there were eight referrals from St. Mary's in Liverpool where the mothers had chosen to terminate after 24 wks due to abnormalities etc but they were listed as stillbirths in the regular sense (ie. mother gives birth to otherwise healthy child which then dies). Also the report does not take into account the fact that this area has high deprivation with socioeconomic disadvantages coupled with a high Asian demographic. Asians tend to have high rates of interbreeding with the concomitant abnormalities and this always accounts for more stillbirths at this hospital.

She and her colleagues are very upset by the report and I felt sorry for her. She said the midwifery service at this hospital is excellent and they do their utmost for mother and baby in every instance. I believe her, too.

I dunno, the induction is to do with getting baby out as soon as it's full-term, what with it being such 'precious cargo'. They know how very little margin for error there is with these babies after being so hard-won. It doesn't make sense to me because all babies are precious cargo and I am a healthy woman. I will fight hard to not be induced.

Wow, I feel so sorry for the hospital. Stats are never what they seem on the surface. And it sounds like you are in amazing hands!!

It is strange to force an induction if not entirely necessary. I didn't realise there was a higher risk of complications if left to go till 40 weeks. I think every day will be a school day throughout this pregnancy shizzle.

Have you got another scan with the clinic before your NHS one?

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 16:19:30

Yeah, Marbs, they're scanning me in a fortnight again when I'll be 10+3. The midwife wants my booking-in scan to be done on the same day as I meet my consultant which is 29th Aug when I'll be 13+2, so I'm pleased to be having another one at 10wks.

I am feeling rougher than ever today and so, so nauseous. This metallic taste is the culprit, I am sure of it. Nothing helps - fruit, eggs, milk, water, bread: all of it makes me want to hurl chunks.

Not that I'm complaining....I'm having me a Prambino! smile

Prambino!! This has made my week!!!

That's great news about the scans. I'm going to pay for a private one at 10 weeks. Little stop gap and all that. The nausea sucks. I've had it all day. I've rediscovered skips. And I'm having sausage pasta, as I don't think I can live without it.

I've got a funny taste too. Not metallic, a bit like chemicals. But I have bought an industrial sized pack of mint imperials.

First day of the new job tomorrow. I'm going to tell my boss straight away. I have 3 appointments in the next 4 weeks, and it will be a 4 hour round trip so can't just sneak off!! As long as I don't vomit on the train or tube ill be happy wink

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 17:56:42

Aw, good luck with the new job, Marbs. I have an interview at 11.30 at a hospice as a volunteer - not caring for the dying but on reception or in admin or summat.

Me and th'usband took a stroll to the village shop to get some white Magnums and I had to stop and throw up at the bowling green.

What will you be writing about this week, Marbs? I don't want you to out yourself but I am fascinated (and very in awe) of your new job.

Where are you, Motor, fish & choco and what the fuck are you having for tea?

Yeah you lot. I need to know what's cooking!

Prammy that sounds like such a refined, lady-like way to vomit. Picturesque almost.

I will be working with the respiratory disease team. So a complete departure from my speciality, but I love to learn!!

Good luck with your interview, is it far from home?

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 18:53:52

Nah, it's in the next village, Marbs, but still a bus ride away. There is nothing whatsoever about me that one might describe as lady-like <parp!>

So, tell me, Marbles, what's the script? Do you sit in with this respiratory team as they're working on a patient and you write an article on it, or what?

I just wolfed down fish, chips and gravy from the chippy and it provided...ooh, about fourteen minutes of respite from the nausea. Then we had a row about how much we're spending on takeaways, which made me feel even more bilious 'coz we never row, innit sad

Oh Pramshavewheels, maybe DH is having a phantom pregnancy. His hormones are probably running wild. Great news you don't have far to go. I'm dreading the commute. I'll park myself near an open window and the toilet.

Right, my job. How it works. The company work with the biggest pharma companies in the world. When they run clinical trials for new drugs, we turn the data into journal manuscripts, conference materials, patient information leaflets, iPad apps, etc. I did an Internship before the IVF for 12 weeks in a different company to gain some experience, so I have a bit of a clue. But I've spent the last 7 years of my life in neuroscience, but I can't wait!!

I just made Mr Olive'rs sausage pasta. Tis actually called 'pregnant jools' pasta'. So I had to eat it. Feel like I need another nap now. DH has toddled off to work so is just me and the pup for the night.

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 19:25:09

Oh, MarbaraStreisand, your job's just dreamy, you lucky girl.

Tell me about Oliver's sausage pasta. No, wait... I'll go and google it...

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 19:27:37

AAAAAARGH!! FENNEL SEEDS!! <spews over th'usband> envy

I must admit thedevilwearspramela I'm not the biggest fennel fan. But it was mighty fine. And the smell of the vinegar? Bliss. Though I fear I may have dropped a penny in it, as my mouth tastes distinctly copper-like.

I am indeed a lucky gal. I'm actually venturing up north both this week and next as that's where the head office is <jet setter>

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 19:39:23

The fing wot caused the row before was when th'usband said: "I just think takeaways are an expensive way to eat when all you do is chuck them up afterwards. I don't understand why you can't just eat anything if it's going to make a reappearance later".

Now, call me an unreasonable twat but I don't think I should be made to feel guilty about the cost of my food choices when th'usband fucking smokes.

I now feel under pressure to keep tonight's fish, chips and gravy down <sicks in mouth> <wishes we had a dog>

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 19:46:37

OOP NORTH????!!!! But that is where I abide! Are you able to say which town/city your HQ is or is that not for public consumption? Please don't feel compelled to give owt away that you don't want to <magnanimous>

Does fennel taste of aniseed? Does that not dominate the dish somewhat?

I am pondering the vileness of the taste of sperm whilst our mouths are feeling like this. Any thoughts?

I'd like to know what Nook, Fish & Motor do for jobs, pliz.

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 19:48:02

I'm looking forward to The Mill at 8pm on Ch4 (coz i iz working-class scum, innit).

I'm watching it too! Most excited.

Here's an idea. How about the next thing you sick up, you. Serve it to said husband as a snack. Then it's not wasted see. Either that or you can borrow the dog. He eats his own sick, so I'm sure he will oblige.

The fennel really doesn't dominate. You could always leave out. I'll pm you my HQ

PramelaAndherson Sun 28-Jul-13 21:12:01

I enjoyed that, did you, Marbs? Did you recognise Sian (the lezzer) from Corrie?

I threw up the fish and chips and now have residual metallic batter taste in my mouth. Should I go and French-kiss th'usband?

I did Prammy! Very much so!ni did recognise her, though I'm afraid, ad a southerner, that I'm a 'stenders bird.

I think it would only be fair for some tongues. Sharing is caring after all.....

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 07:23:06

Help! I woke up this morning with a little bit of bleeding. It's a tiny bit but it looks a bit clotty. I'm really worried. Going to phone the doctor at 9. Hand hold please...?

What colour is it Nook? Remind me, are you on Danny candles? Any pain? Remember, you can bleed for weeks in the first trimester, your poor bits have been through so much. Here for lots of hand holding x

I would have thought my phone would know the word fanny now wink

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 08:15:33

Haha! I like danny candles. It sounds posher. Yes I'm on those. And prednisolone. My danny has been a bit sore the last couple of days when I stick one in. The only worrying thing was that it was a but mucusey or clotty. It really was a smidge though. Oh wy is this so awful? Got an appoappointment at 9.30 to see doctor. I'm hoping he'll just send me for a scan...

Thanks Maybe xxx

That all sounds good Nook I had exactly the same thing about a week ago. My nurse told me it was all normal, just irritation. Mine kind of looked like bloody snot. Sometimes I amaze myself with just how attractive this all is wink

Good luck at the docs, would be lovely to have an early scan grin you're a few days ahead of me aren't you? I'm 5+5 today x

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 08:37:45

Yes bloody snot is exactly what it looked like! I'm going to really push for an early scan. I live near Kings College Hospital so I'm hoping he'll just send me there...

I'm 6 weeks exactly today. Can't believe there's still so long to go confused

There is a long way to go, but I honestly believe that these first 12 weeks will be the hardest, the risks drop dramatically after that. And we are halfway through this period!

I'm counting down the days till the scan. 2 weeks seems like an age!!

I'm also dreading telling my new employer about the pregnancy today. But I feel I need to tell them now as I have three appointments in the next few weeks! Better to be honest from day one I feel hmm

Lifeasafish Mon 29-Jul-13 09:01:17

Morning all!

I've called and left a message for the counsellors this morning - I'm just not coping. My tests are fainter and I'm very low on symptoms and I jst do not thnk I've made it to the next stage. There have been a lot of tears shed sad

I'm not here as much as it really is more useful to try to move my mind somewhere entirely different.

I actually called my local EPU yesterday but would need to go a&e or GP for a referral. Neither of which I particularly want to do.

So, counselling session with the clinic seems to be my best bet for now to at least get me 'coping' again. Mind you that appointment will probably come in after athur? 'Sigh'

Hope you are all well.

nooks tiny and clotty sound like irriation. But I think I'd toally meltdown if I found blood - not because hat would be rational, but because I am in a constant state of panic.

Oh Fish, I'm so sorry to hear you are having a tough time. Is your scan this Thursday? I hope the counsellor gets back to you soon x

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 09:52:50

Nook, no cramping is good news, it really is. If you don't get your scan you could go and pay for one, but they're bloody expensive. I paid £100 to have my scan during the mock cycle for IVF.

Fish, I wish you wouldn't test, but I agree those lines should be very dark. Did they ever get really dark after your initial tests? Are you due an early scan? I'm so sorry you're afraid and I wish I could hug you tight.

Weeks six and seven are terrifying because you feel so terrifically vulnerable and there's all kinds of sludging, twingeing and spotting going on. I'm 9 wks tomorrow and I still fret like crazy that this will all end.

Good luck today, Marbs, telling your boss will be over in a jiffy.

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 09:54:56

Sorry to hear that Fish. Sounds like counselling is a good idea. It's hard to find your way out of these intense feelings without help sometimes.

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 09:59:09

Thanks Pram. I'm having some twinges but then I've had them the whole time so hmm. Just at docs now. I think I'll go for a scan anyway but obviously hoping it will be free!!!

Thanks Prammy! And good luck with your interview.

Hope you got on well at the docs Nook

On the train now. Luckily I don't need to be I'm till 11.30 today. Has anyone else foud they have, ahem, loose bowels occasionally?! blush

BeetleBeetle Mon 29-Jul-13 10:20:52

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Beetle! So lovely to see you!! We cannot wait to have you all over here x

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 10:36:05

Hello Beetle! I have been lurking on the egg buddies thread. Lovely of you to pop in here though. There are plumped up cushions ready for you all. Xxx

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 10:37:57

Seen doctor. He's sending me to the epu. He didnt seem concerned. Just on my way there now. Blood is now brown and is hitting the pad but still very light flow. Not sure what to think at this point but happy that I might get some answers.

Lifeasafish Mon 29-Jul-13 10:38:00

prammy they got very dark and I can see todays in a darkened room. They are getting fainter though, but are not faint. If you see what I mean. A clear blue a fortnight ago did go to 2-3 weeks, but Saturdays was 1-2 again.

I think development has stopped. Googling isn't helping - I probably have enough evidence for both scenarios, good and bad.

Yes, a part of me deeply regrets the constant testing. But I think I would be panicking regardless. All of the coping strategies I learnt last year that saw me through the cycle itself have flown out of the window. I cannot stop trying to prepare myself for the worst and search for the worst and its driving me insane.

Poor DH is having his optimism clouded by my pessimism. He is also very worried about me as I broke down yet again today. I an probably cope if its bad - I just need to know.

I've now emailed the consellors as I haven't had a response yet.

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 10:50:45

Fish, my love, I absolutely believe in preparing for the worst. Don't feel bad about pessimism and melt-downs; there's time for rejoicing when your poor stressed-out head has been given peace from this torment. I am thinking of you. I will pray now for you and Nook xx

Good luck at the EPU Nook. I'm sure all will be well x

Fish I agree with Prammy. Preparing for the worst is my coping mechanism. I hope you hear back very soon

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 11:32:49

Thanks lovely peeps.

Fish I'm sure they'll respond as soon as they can.

In epu now just waiting to be seen. Cramps have stopped I think. Just want to know what's going on!

chocolocodowninacapulco Mon 29-Jul-13 11:47:49

Thinking of you nook and fish Xx

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 12:26:13

I'm back already. The hospice manager really liked me and was thrilled about my IVF success and my life since The Thing Wot Caused My Epiphany. However, my worst fear was realised: she is putting me to work in a the hospice charity shop <shudders> Now, I'm no snob <picks nose> <examines crow> <flicks at cat> but I have a thing about shop keepers. I don't like 'em. They think they rule the world. Old shop keepers are the worst. They are slow and smell of wee and talk utter shit all day long. Now, charity shops are staffed by old people who are super-imperious 'cos they think they're doing a Really Good Thing (when we all know they're just grabbing the best stuff as soon as it comes through the door and then passing them off as Christmas pressies. Bitches).

I've agreed to give it a go, primarily because my pregnancy trumps their ancientness which gives me the right to be bossy and I could end up with some really nice maternity clothes. The wittering bothers me though. Old people wittering about the war/their hips/their dying rellies/the weather/the price of tights. I won't put up with it <resolute>

Nook, how're you doing?

resipsa Mon 29-Jul-13 12:33:17

Can I be nosy? What was said Thing?

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 12:49:08

No-one knows on mumsnet, Resipsa, because it would out me and people would be: 'oooh!' and 'hmmm' and shock and hmm. You can, however, read my autobiography when it comes out next spring wink

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 12:58:46

I'm back! There was an embryo and a heartbeat. Phew! Thanks for the help you lot. You are amazing.

Pram I'm loving the image of you in a charity shop!

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 13:18:23

Yay for embrynook! thanks Such a relief, eh? x

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 13:20:16

Th'expat! Hiya, cock! Please tell us what's in the pipeline for you. Th'egg Buddies are much missed over here sad

Lifeasafish Mon 29-Jul-13 13:43:33

nooks thats wonderful!! You must be so relieved.
I'm over the moon for you flowers

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 13:46:56

It's a massive relief. I honestly thought it was all over for a while there. Little bugger! DH now convinced it's a boy. He did think it was twin girls hmm

MotorcycleMama Mon 29-Jul-13 13:58:48

Sorry to be so brief, but am at work, senior boss is here, etc.

nook thinking of you darling. Hope all is ok (I'm sure it will be).

Similarly fish. Are you going to hold out for scan Thursday?

I'm having a pretty hard time too, hence my lack of posting recently. It's part of the process it seems.

Hi to pram and maybe x

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 14:21:13

I'm really sorry some of you are worrying and anxious, it's horrid. Should those of us with symptoms shut up for a while? Would that help?

I'm off to the greengrocer's to protest about the price of Jazz apples. I also need some basil pesto, cr&#1104;me fraîche and 'spring greens' (what the hell are they??) to make Spring Chicken One-Pot

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 14:23:11


PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 14:24:30

Argh! It won't let me write 'creme' with a grave on the first 'e'!

BeetleBeetle Mon 29-Jul-13 15:26:23

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MotorcycleMama Mon 29-Jul-13 15:29:26

That's great news nook - what a relief! flowers

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 15:30:48

Cock-sweat. The greengrocer's was being 'manned' by a boy of about thirteen who, it turned out, is a medical student at uni but proved to be an utter retard when it comes to vegetables. He didn't know what spring greens were and said they sound like they might be out of season. When I asked why he thought that he replied: 'Dunno, they sound wintery to me'. They're called 'spring' greens for fuck's sake. Jazz apples are now out of season so I have come away with a new variety I've never heard of which are the size of a dwarf's head.

They had also sold out of creme fraiche: 'We sold the last tub this morning' he declared, cheerfully. I threw the small jar of basil pesto back onto the shelf in horror when I saw it cost £2.80. Never mind, I will be making the long-awaited sausage tagliatelle which has been deferred twice now thanks to Zorba and the chippy.

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 15:37:51

Beetle, you Cape Town cutie, I can't wait for you to be with child. I don't have a problem with Th'egg Buddies coming over here; I want to share in all your journeys but it feels wrong, as a preggo, to be active on your thread. If you lot think you can stomach our pregnancies then I, for one, think you should feel free to come and share. What do you think, motor, fish, marbs & nook?

Beetle, are you hoping to go to day five or does your clinic prefer day-3 transfer?

Oh Nook that's made my day. Well done lovely x

Prammy well done on the job old girl!! Now you have to be the one to set the bar for the new wave of shopkeepers out there!!

Beetle I'd love for you all to pop in!!

And I agree with Prammy Motor, if it will help, I won't talk about symptoms. I want to be there for everyone. Thinking of you x

First day of new job done. Only another hour till I'm home. This heat+trains+tube+preggo=one sweaty bloated mess in need of the biggest fart ever. Do you think anyone would notice if I took my bra off on the train? I just want my pjs!!

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 18:08:41

Yes! I agree. I still stalk you all but don't want to butt in with my own woes. Please feel free to come over here thoigh whenever you want Beetle and anyone lurking

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 18:17:27

MarbWire, how was your first day? How did the boss react to your ruining his day pregnancy news? Don't just take your bra off; get nekkid on t'train!

I now have to go and remove the skins from sausages and the mere idea of this is, well....you know....envy

Oh Pramalamadingdong I feel your pain. I was going that last night trying not to gag. I sucked a gingernut to help.

My boss was amazing. She have me a hug, congratulated me and told me she would sort it all!!

And me, naked? Oh no no no <shudders>

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 19:30:35

Thanks Maybs! Are you home in your pjs now? Glad all went well at work.

I'm jealous of all your queasyness. I feel fine most of the time. Goddammit!

MotorcycleMama Mon 29-Jul-13 19:36:19

It seems silly to entertain the idea of people not being able to share pregnancy symptoms on a pregnancy thread, so no please, you lucky ladies with nausea, share as much as you like. The only thing that might put non-preggers people off this thread is the misery which early pregnancy can bring - not the symptoms, but the lack thereof tends to be the problem.
I will report back after my scan on Wednesday morning. Until then I just feel better keeping myself to myself. Please do not take my lack of input onto the thread as not caring for others - I do very much. X

Motor I am wishing you all the luck in the world for Wednesday, you will be in my thoughts x

Nook I am home and showered and am mustering the energy to slip into pjs. I scared the shit out of the dog with the epic farts I just let rip grin

The nausea is weird. It comes if I've not eaten for a bit. Today I discovered a new favourite. It's a hobnob cereal bar thing. Immense!!

Lifeasafish Mon 29-Jul-13 20:04:02

I agree 100% with motor and also need to take a leave of absence.

Its all very gloomy in the fish household and I need to step away for a while.

Good luck for wed motor, I'm thur and will report back regardless.


Will be thinking of you too Fish x

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 21:09:49

Motor & Fish, I understand totally and I am praying for you both. I feel bad that I monopolised the thread yesterday with banal bullshit. It must be tedious to read when you feel so anxious. I hope you both get the best surprise and reassurances at your scans xx

Marbs, me and th'usband love Pramelamadingdong! We laughed our heads off grin Great news about your lovely boss and I'm sorry I called her a 'he' grin

My sausage tagliatelle was delectable but now, two hours later, the nausea is coming thick and fast.

[waves to Nook]

Love you girls thanks

grin Prammy, all in an evening's work. I find carbs massively help settle my tummy. I normally try to avoid them, but they are my friend at the moment.

Hope you're having a nice celebratory evening Nook grin

NookNook Mon 29-Jul-13 21:21:51

Big squeezes for Motor and Fish. Can't wait to hear from you guys soon.

Maybe I doff my hat at your farts.

<waves back to Pram>

I'm still getting brown sludge (copyright Pram) but I will embrace it! Not much else I can do. Whatever else happpens at least I know that there was definitely something in there!

Thank you again all for your amazing support today. Xxx


You're doing great Nook. All hail the sludge grin

PramelaAndherson Mon 29-Jul-13 21:58:56

Seriously, Nook, befriend that beige motherfucker 'cos it ain't leaving the bastard party yet <pours another drink for sludge>

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 11:34:19

I can see I'm going to be talking to myself all day [sigh]

Nono!! I'm here Prammy!

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 12:03:52

Oooh, goodie! Whatcha scribbling about today, Marbie?

I'm going to Tesco to find me some creme fraiche and spring greens hmm

That is all.

Oh, except my house guest, Sludge, invited some of his pals round for a party in my pyjamas overnight. Which was nice.

How rude of him. We're you invited to the party? I'd throw him out if I were you....

I love creme fraiche!! So much.

I'm reading Pramtastic. About COPD. Whimst trying not to fall asleep in my keyboard.

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 12:43:39

COPD was mentioned at my interview at the hospice yesterday!! <stupidly feels 'in-the-loop' medically> But the manager who interviewed me forgot what the letters stood for hmm

Yes, I was invited to the party but I just sat in the corner playing Spin The Bottle on me todd.

I love 'Pramtastic'!! Can you help me think of a name change in the instance that this is a girl? Someone on the antenatal thread asked me what I would do with my name if it wasn't a boy <shudders> and I was stumped. I reckon I'll just have to leave Anderson out of it, which loses its Baywatch comedic value sad

I shall pop my thinking hat on....

COPD Is chronic obstructive pulmonary disease <nods head sagely>

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 13:03:04

Ah! Well, my local hospice has people with COPD, cancer and motor neurone diseases but not Altzeimers.

I will be working in a charity shop with smelly old women talking nonsense.

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 13:03:47

I'm off to Tezzer's. You want a scone?

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 30-Jul-13 13:09:20

Can you get me some big fat greasy chip shop chips while you're out prammy ? <slobbers> <gatecrashes thread> blush

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 13:22:12

You can have whatever your cerrayzee 2ww-head desires, my little soon-to-be-a-mummy chocolate friend. I'll get you those Harry Ramsden chippy-style ones.

NookNook Tue 30-Jul-13 13:35:26

Oh my god I'm so tired. Soooo tired.

Choco we'll get you a bath full of greasy chips!

After greasy carbs are you Chocco <eyes her suspiciously>

Prammy, id rather a slice of lemon drizzle. Ta

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 30-Jul-13 13:53:13

Thanks prammy, I've just had left over shepherd's pie and baked beans, the chips would've gone nicely!

nook I think a bath full would be a bit much. Everything ok with you today? Barr tiredness?

I shouldn't be here blush sad , but it feels so cosy. I so hope I'm not wrong about how I'm feeling as it's going to be a long way to fall <self-indulgent>

BTW prammy re the charity shop, you forgot old biddies singing along to the radio and pressing all the wrong buttons on the till so that it keeps beeping incessantly and they have to ring upstairs and say 'ooh,Gladys, I've got a problem with me till, ducks' <shows far too much insight into workings of a charity shop>

Feeling your pain Nook

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 30-Jul-13 13:54:32

maybe heeelp me out of this 2ww hell, please!

It's a pile of bollocks Chocco isn't it!

BeetleBeetle Tue 30-Jul-13 14:28:41

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BeetleBeetle Tue 30-Jul-13 14:31:26

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What a bloody brilliant idea Beetle!!!!

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 15:10:18

Nutty slags, the lorrov ya. Nook, I came back with Harry Ramsden's mushy peas but I see you've gobbled yer dinner already you greedy cah.

Nook, I beseech you to allow yourself to visualise a BFN. Please. Imagine how you will feel and then what you will do that day to reconcile yourself to it and cope with the sadness. I don't mean for you to dwell on the awfulness of a BFN; just allow yourself to see that it is a real possibility. I can't bear the thought of you crestfallen beyond words. I'm praying for a BFP x

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 15:21:58

I meant Choco!!

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 15:27:18

I'm 9 weeks today! smile

nobeer Tue 30-Jul-13 15:37:56

delurking to congratulate you, Prammy smile

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 15:42:32

Aw, fanks, Nobeer! When are you FETing?

That's amazing Prammy! I'm 6 weeks tomorrow <gazes up in awe at Prammy's diffedness>

nobeer Tue 30-Jul-13 16:00:17

Hopefully mid August!

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 16:08:43

Wow, BeerMonster! Not long now, eh?

MarbieDoll, I just read this on th'antenatal thread:

'...if you see a heartbeat at 8 weeks, that's pretty much as good as seeing one at 12. Statistically speaking. Something like 98% chance of a live birth'.

..and then she posted this to back it up.

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 16:10:40

I have just had last night's leftover sausage tagliatelle with some mozzarella sprinkled over and a rye and seed bun with butter on and it was divine. Then I threw up and I'm thinking th'usband is right: I might aswell eat cat shit sad

NookNook Tue 30-Jul-13 17:41:11

Well done Prambellina!

I saw that stat too. Can't wait for my 8 week scan.

I'm 6+1 whoohoo! C'mon Maybs smile

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 17:45:51

I love Prambellina!! It makes me sound all dainty and svelte and nymph-like smile

Nook, I'll be interested to see whether you suffer the hormonal rages during weeks seven and eight, where you are swivel-eyed with the compulsion to stab someone in the tits for no reason whatsoever smile

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 17:46:44

Thinking and praying for you tomorrow, Motor and you on Thursday, Fish xx

Go Nook! You're steaming ahead!!

That is a fantastic stat Pramster. I'll be 1 day off the magical 8 weeks at my scan.

Thinking of you too Motor and Fish x

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 19:55:23

I love Pramster! When is your scan, pliz?

Girls, the Spring Chicken One-Pot was a delightful surprise and utterly delicious. I say 'surprise' because I always think these casserole thingies are going to be bland and a bit, well...working-class. But this was so flavoursome and I mopped-up the juices with crusty rye bread and butter. No garlic, either, which was also a surprise.

I am becoming increasingly irked by some atheist on a religion thread who keeps whining about the Old Testament God allowing the stoning of women <yawn> If only I had a few bricks....

That looks so tasty Pramelicious. What's in the cards for tomorrow?

Scan is the 13th, same as Nook. Am in a panic today thinking things have gone wrong. No rhyme or reason.

I don't know why people need to be like that about religion. If you don't believe, then just steer clear! Don't go out your way to put down others' beliefs.

NookNook Tue 30-Jul-13 21:08:32

Yes Maybe we are scan twins!

No rhyme or reason indeed. Just the way it is. I've been stalking the March 2014 thread (which Pramola is on). Seems to me that they're all just as freaked out as we are. Not sure how that helps but it just makes me feel more normal.

Stalking?! I do that too, shh it's true, does make you feel normal. We are indeed scan twins. Lots of hand holding that day. Remind me of your time again. My brain isn't working!

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 21:16:55

I love Pramelicious!

Tomorrow I am making my speciality: spag bol.

Panics are weird, aren't they? There's no rhyme or reason, it's simply good old-fashioned paranoia. IVFers reckon the worries continue unabated throughout pregnancy but I defy anyone to say that it gets worse than this awful first twelve weeks. I am managing to look ahead to the birth and holding my baby in my arms but the brown sludge is so disconcerting no matter how I dress it up.

Religion threads: yes, these are public forums but there is a dedicated team of mumsnet atheists who bulldoze threads asking things like: How do I come to believe in God? How do I know he exists? They say the same things time after time: 'Find a hobby instead which doesn't require you to believe in pixies'; 'there is no God. Hope this helps'; and 'why would you want to believe in a misogynistic, cruel, baby-slaughtering Abrahamic God?' (this from the feminists).

I am so defensive of a God who physically saved me from death and spiritually saved me, too, that I want to kill those who denigrate Him. Maybe not kill but seriously maim. How do you explain the origins of your faith and the miracles which are evident in your life without outing oneself? I have so much to say and share but can't.

I'm more nervous for Chocs than I was for my own test day, I kid you not.

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 21:21:39

Girls, I am not going to evangelise on here, I promise. I will never make you feel uncomfortable or rabbit on about my faith, I'm just nettled today is all.

chocolocodowninacapulco Tue 30-Jul-13 21:31:45

Aaah, prammy, really??!! That's very sweet of you. I get what you mean about picturing the BFN and all, but having been there and had that shit feeling, I think I'll stay positive while I can as there's plenty of time for the sadness if needs be. Ta for the chips earlier by the way! Sorry to hear you're still having the sludge, but great news that you're 9 weeks today - fantastic!

Religion is a tricky one, I'm usually of the opinion that people can believe what they want to believe and I really don't see why anyone should be able to slag people off if they don't agree with them or make them feel bad about themselves

maybe and nooks it's lovely that you're scan twins smile

beetle great guiness world records link, I'll have a look properly in a bit.

Well, I was lying on the bed an hour or so ago after DH did my gestone injection and I have just woken up from a surprise half hour nap but I refuse to read anything into it of course

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 22:05:06

I am sure I misspelt 'wintry' yesterday. I am thoroughly ashamed blush

We'll let you off Pramtastrophe wink. I so want to hear you story. I have a feeling it's amazing. I too hate people slagging off religion. Despite not being overly religious myself, I know it plays such an important part in people's lives and I always appreciate it when people say a prayer for me.

I love a good spag Bol. What's your secret ingredient?

Chocco there is nowt more satisfying to me at the moment than a nap. So indulgent!! I'm a nap convert. Is Friday test day?

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 22:26:28

MarbieAndKen, my spag bol is the stuff of nightmares. I chuck bacon, celery, worcestershire sauce, soy sauce and carrots in. It's utter filth.

I don't want you to think that The Fing Wot Caused The Epiphany is something that only I have ever been through. I went to hell and back and have sworn that I will end my life before going back there again, but others experience their own hell when they hit rock bottom, whatever form that takes. I will tell you all about it if we ever have a meet-up.

<immediately arranges a meet up>

Your spag Bol sounds immense. I use all the above but not the soy. It sounds really interesting though!! Umami. Nom. I have a massive craving for pizza, which made me feel sick cos I wanted it so much. So I ate a gingernut instead.

NookNook Tue 30-Jul-13 22:38:41

Maybeline my scan is at 9.40. When's yours?

Choco only you know how you feel (duh) what I mean is if you feel positive then go for it!! I'm positive for you. Whoohoo!!!!

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 22:39:04

I can no longer drink brews sad

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 22:41:09

Maybelline is brilliant! Blimmin' genius. I am so devvo'ed I didn't think of it sad

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 22:44:37

I think I've told you this before over on Th'egg Buddies fred, but when the advert for Maybelline comes on th'usband leaps out of his chair, points to his crotch and sings, 'maybe it's my bellend'. I still snort despite knowing what's coming.

Me neither Prammy. The thought of it makes me shudder. Though I just forced some peppermint down my neck to try and reduce my belly

<flutters eyelashes a la ad commercial> mines at 12 Nookie

PramelaAndherson Tue 30-Jul-13 22:54:30

I find it hard to play around with NookNook's name <frustrated>

chocolocodowninacapulco Wed 31-Jul-13 07:39:10

Thinking of you for today motor

Also thinking of you Motor x

MotorcycleMama Wed 31-Jul-13 08:25:50

Thanks maybe and choco. I'm thinking of you too!
Hi to fish if you are lurking. X
Even though I fear bad news, I just can't wait to get this scan done so that I can deal with whatever the result is and get on, rather than living in limbo. DH is being very supportive.

What time are you up Motor?

Lifeasafish Wed 31-Jul-13 10:27:16

Hi all,

Hi motor just popped in to wish you all the best. I am wishing a heartbeat for you with the very core of my being.

Hope everyone else is well, I'm up tomorrow but had such an horrific blood result from last week that I am expecting a chemical. It just needs to be confirmed. I'll let you all know either way.

relurks (in fact, I'm not even lurking - I am fully avoiding andhave been for days!)

PramelaAndherson Wed 31-Jul-13 10:30:28

Thinking of you, Motor.

Fish, I am so, so sorry. Massive hugs.

BeetleBeetle Wed 31-Jul-13 11:11:45

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MotorcycleMama Wed 31-Jul-13 11:59:01

fish I am so sorry to hear that. Is there any room for positivity, or are the results conclusive? Please keep in touch, and feel free to PM if easier. Thinking of you.Xxx

Scan all good. Good strong heartbeat, and measurements all healthy. A real relief. X

Lifeasafish Wed 31-Jul-13 12:09:38

Oh motor thats wonderful! I'm over the moon for you! How do you feel?

Ok - No platitudes please (facts/debate are fine)

So, at exactly 4 weeks past EC (6 weeks pregnant) I begged the doc for a blood test as you know. This was last Thur. I was told I could have 1 and be grateful for that.

I found out on Monday that the result from that test was 96. No, its not a typo, I haven't missed 000's. 96. Obviously I cannot have another to measure how its doubling, but at 6 weeks it should be well into the '000s.

I'm still producing positive tests (lines are same as they were after getting faint for a little while). No bleeding at all, very minor cramping, no symptoms and I'm sure my boobs have gone down.

I've been in an absolute state since Monday. Those bloods can only mean 1 thing - chemical.

Clinic and docs have been non-commital, GP will not confirm a pregnancy with that blood result. Nor will they send me fo another test. Clinic advice - wait for scan.