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Pregnant (IVF) Worriers (part two)(1000 Posts)
This thread is for all you incessant worriers out there, not necessarily limited to IVF-ers, although I get the feeling the people who have had trouble TTC are more prone to worrying than others! We have filled our first thread (http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/pregnancy/1721178-Pregnant-IVF-Worriers) but there is more worrying to do so here we are.
A few of us graduated from the IVF thread (link below) and are having a go at our own thread to get out of the other IVF-ers hair! So get your roomy jogging bottoms on for some virtual hand holding, mutual symptom spotting and staying sane until the next scan date.
thanks for the new thread shazza
someone mention getting to 37 weeks with twins, from what I've read that is pretty good going to get that far, a friend had hers at 32 weeks and another at 36 weeks.
my cat make makes me nervous every time she comes near me, I think one of the twins died on Thursday night, that is why there have been changes might explain the so called looking cyst in my cervix going to try and get a scan next Monday when i'll be 7 weeks, maybe I am just giving myself false hope, i'm just fed up with all the drugs and how they make me feel . . .
I'm glad you are ok. So did they say that they could see 2 sacs? That could be an explanation. I'm keeping everything crossed for you. A week is a terribly long time to wait and wonder (and worry). The drugs must be taking their toll on you physically and emotionally. When will DH be back? Sending you loads of love. xx
Hello ladies. Thanks for starting this thread Shazza.
Buzzy, I really feel for you. This uncertainty is horrible. Are you bleeding at all?
Another few days down and all is well. Feeling a lot better but won't really breathe until I get to and past 28 weeks.
buzzy all I can say is hang in there!
shazza thanks for starting the new thread. You asked about lying on your back in Pilates. The whole not lying on your back thing has come about because if your uterus is heavy enough it can block oxygen to the vena cava, depriving you and the baby. But you would then feel it too and it would only happen after lying on your back for a prolonged period. I have been reading the Bumpology book (thanks whoever on this thread recommended it, I can't recall right now) and it says there is no evidence that lying on your back harms your baby but it may make you feel dizzy and if so roll over. If you think about it, it would be a bit odd if it were so easy to harm your baby, pregnant women must have been lying on their back for thousands of years!
Shazza, on back if legs are up is fine. Make sure you feel stable with that move (nag nag).
Hello all! Just checking in to the new thread (thanks shazza).
buzzy keep the faith! Is there anything you can do to keep your mind off things? I read hundreds of books, watched box sets and even played computer games when I lost one Dd and was trying to stay pregnant for the other. Not particularly practical but it did distract me from the mentalling for a while which seemed to make the time pass quicker.
I'm going to wean myself off the fanny candles soon too. I am a progesterone junkie...DH keeps telling me that I can stop now (doc said stop at 9wks) but I have carried on. I think I'll just finish this pack..
So who has scans and such like this week?
gin so glad you had a good 12 week scan. I relaxed a lot after that point, hope you can too. Sorry about the itching though. I am also itchy on my bump, armpits, legs... I've been using only aqueous cream to wash, nothing else in the bath, E45 cream, canesten, vagisil (yes I am that desperate come 2am) but nothing seems to work. I tried about 5 different deodorants and finally found one that doesn't make the itch worse at least. I think I might try the GP to see if she can prescribe something stronger.
dildals you asked about preg pillows a while back. One thing I found with the SPD/PGP is that since I sleep on my side, a pillow under my upper knee really helped to keep my hips stable and aligned. A friend gave me a preg pillow for my first pregnancy and I've actually been using it pretty well constantly for the five years since! Partly because my hip pain never completely went away but partly because it is also great for propping you up when breast feeding or reading in bed etc. so i think they are worth it esp if you have PGP.
buzzy time passes to slowly when you are waiting. That might be a possible explanation if you have felt changes. The med don't help as they give symptoms of their own too. Try to keep positive until the scan when you will know more.
gin great news on the scan results
Expat glad you are having a few good days, long may they continue
I start my weening off the meds this week too, the clinic gave me a schedule to reduce things over a couple of weeks. I won't be sad to see the back of the progesterone that is for sure especially in this weather.
Thinking of you buzzy, I hope you're coping. I recommend playing mindless games on your phone or whatever.
I've caught up on all your posts but now can't remember all the individual issues and can't scroll back easily.
My tuppence worth: itching is hell, I get it due to dry skin and swear by Aveeno - the creamy oil in particular.
Names. We are married but I have never changed my name as it's not wise in my line of work and also I prefer my hard to spell foreign name to DHs. The children have his name though and mine will be lost to history!
I have been decorating all weekend. I do not recommend this with a 6 week old baby who wants feeding every hour. I'm shattered and know I'll only get about four hours sleep tonight.
Hope everyone else is ok.
Hi everyone - gosh lots has been going on and i finally have a chance to catch up properly
claire welcome and many congratulations. You're doing great. I'm 14.5 weeks and i think the stage we're at is a bit odd as you feel better but don't look pregnant really, and can't feel anything yet.
mrsH I have an anterior placenta so think i'll feel the baby move later, which i'm a bit sad about. Does anyone else have this. I can't wait to feel movement!
nok good to see you! Congrats on the scan, how's the craziness getting on? You'll be at magic 12 weeks soon, in fact after 9 things look really good.
dildals i can't believe you're getting leakage, i thought that only came after pregnancy <naive> Oh god. I've been doing pelvic floors but will up the numbers...
gin congratulations on your 12 weeks scan! I agree that after that I am finding it easier to relax and feel more 'normal' in my pregnancy. I can't believe you're in maternity clothes already - I have no need yet. As for fanny candles, i stopped overnight at 9 weeks exactly, as per clinic instructions. They didn't bother to test my blood, just said that if the placenta's there then all is being done as needed. So don't worry and I think getting rid of them has helped a lot in the 'feeling normal' thing.
buzzy i'm so sorry that you are going through this, but I think that the difference in size day to day is so miniscule - we have a +/- of 6 days even at the 12 week scan, and at my 5 week scan they wouldn't date. I think you should try and get another scan a week later rather than waiting for two weeks. Oh gosh, I am so sorry you are going through this. I think it sounds likely that you had initially had both implanted, and now just the one. Isn't it weird how animals know what's going on?
Ladies, when did you/will you/should you stop sleeping on your stomach and/or back. I usually sleep on my stomach. I think from what i've read is that you should stop sleeping on your stomach when it's uncomfortable (it's not for me as I have barely any tummy yet) and you shouldn't sleep on your back because of that vein/artery but not sure when. What are people doing? And surely you just turn over in your sleep? DH says he'll wedge me in when the time comes but that sounds bad... I was thinking about 18 weeks??
Another glamorous thing this end is I have what DH has diagnosed as 'skin tags'. A couple have formed under my armpits, and make shaving a real fag. Google says people get them on the fanjos (please god no) and under breasts too, and they might go away post preg or you can get them frozen off. Also, my legs are really really dry and itchy too fairy so i feel your pain there. They seem irritated by chlorine too, even if i shower immediately.
Am still exhausted all the time. And have spots. Am patiently awaiting the glowing part of the second trimester.
But on the plus side sex is amazing!!!
I'm tired today. Stayed up to watch zoolander I remembered it was very funny and I felt like I needed a good laugh!
Fairy thanks for the lying on back info. I feel ok doing it and it isn't for long. Like you I think that there are so many things that we are told to avoid and women have been giving birth for millennia even in caves so we should be ok if we are careful. Excuse my ignorance but what is SPD and PGP? Is bumpology a pregnancy book? We were lent a few so I haven't bought any. I was thinking to get a book for after the birth though. I'm going to get some out of the library.
Expat thanks for the Pilates tip. I think I'm ok but I could probably benefit from a class or two. I do feel better after doing it even though getting up at 6am is very hard. How are you doing now?
Crisps I wish I had a scan this week. I'm starting to feel the need for reassurance. How are you feeling? Less overwhelmed?
Sweetie well done re meds. Soon the fanny candles will be a distant memory.
Mariana thanks for aveeno cream tip. I wonder if it would help relieve the itching from the hives? I think I'll try it. Re decorating we are trying to do it now before shazlett makes an appearance. It's hard though. When the sun is shining we are indoors. Poor DP has been boarding the loft and it was warm up there yesterday.
Keep I agree that this is a strange time. I'm symptom free apart from some late night stretching and my bump is pretty small. Especially in the mornings. It is hard to believe I'm even pregnant. What is an 'anterior placenta'? Would they have told me if I had one? Re sleep. I usually sleep on my tummy with one leg bent up. When that became uncomfortable I put a pillow next to me and put my bent leg on that. That gave me abit of support. Now I'm sleeping on my left side with the pillow between my legs, abit under my tummy and between my boobs (they aren't too big yet). This is really comfy at the mo although the pillow takes a lot of room. I usually change to my right for a short while after my early hours trip to the loo but change back pretty quickly. I'm going to invest in a bolster pillow soon. Mariana suggested one on the last thread and my friend told me about one from John Lewis yesterday that is like a long beanbag so it molds with your body.
Oh and skin tags. I'm quite moley anyway but I thought that I'd noticed a few extra bumps on the sides of my neck when I was putting moisturiser on the other day. So it is probably that. I'm also spotty on and off. Still waiting for blooming to start! Although I have had a few hair compliments lately. I'm also still off sex unfortunately . I hope that desire comes back.
Have a good day all.
I'll try that shaz, sounds comfy. Anterior placenta is placenta on the front wall of the uterus. Not uncommon and not a problem but can muffled the kicks, as you feel them at the front. She didn't tell me, I asked.
shazza SPD stands for "symphysis pubis disorder" and PGP "pelvic girdle pain". They both describe the same problem, which is pain and stiffness in the hips and pelvis. It comes about when the hormone relaxin is released which loosens the joints holding the bones together, causing strain on the ligaments. All pregnant women have their joints loosened but for some reason some women are effected to a much greater extent than others, causing pain and stiffness.
It wasn't really known or talked about before about 10 years ago and only recently has it become commonly recognised. Whether this is because there is something that pregnant women do now that they didn't do previously is not known (eg many more have full time desk jobs where they sit down all the time and create a lot of pressure on the hips) or it has always been a problem but not recognised (lots of doctors and midwives even today think it is just 'part of pregnancy' or confuse it with sciatica or lower back pain) is not known.
The pain can come and go during pregnancy, even on a day to day basis. In some women it becomes severe and they need crutches or a wheelchair. With most women it improves after birth but for some it doesn't. There is a website with a lot of information about it called "the pelvic partnership".
Keep, I got a skin tag in each arm pit but they were more like small raised moles but colourless. I was referred to dermatology as I had so many skin changes during my first pregnancy, the hormones can cause all sorts to happen. I was checked all over and had two larger moles removed as they were itching and one went crusty but it was on my stomach so stretched anyway. The skin tags have never spread elsewhere and don't get caught when I shave so I just ignore them as they're very small.
Shazza I sleep on my front but I stopped around 14 weeks and went into my side. I think back sleeping is only a no no once you're quite far on and even then I think it's ok to sleep on your back if your propped up, it's lying totally flat that can be harmful occasionally. There was a study done about stillbirth and sleeping position and it concluded that it was safest to sleep on your left side, although the study was flawed. There's a good summary of it here:
claire sorry, I forgot to congratulate you!
Hi all - had an appointment at the "VBAC clinic" today, eg "vaginal birth after caesarean". The midwife I spoke with was v supportive of a home birth, which is what I would like to try for. So presuming my community midwives agree (which I should think is no problem because the one I have seen so far has all been in favour of it) that should be fine. I've also said that if I go more than 7 days overdue though I would prefer to schedule a caesarean than be induced as I don't want to go through what I did last time.
However, when I was reading through the literature on VBAC, I was astonished to read that the incidence of secondary infertility is doubled if you have a caesarean for your previous birth (16% among women having a vaginal birth previously, 32% among those having a caesarean). This research is quoted by NCT and by NICE but I have never seen it in any information on secondary infertility I have ever read nor has any doctor mentioned it to me. If this actually is true then they should be advising women of this risk of a caesarean, after all they advise on far far lesser risks all the time (like 'uterine rupture' in a VBAC which has only a .27% chance of occurring!)
I have seen it referred to anecdotally and on MN but never in any medical literature. Has anyone else been advised on this who has had secondary infertility?
shazza "bumpology" is a book published last year that tries to bring together all the medical evidence on the usual questions one has in pregnancy and present it for a lay audience. Look for it on amazon, I've enjoyed reading it.
Thanks for the explanation Fairy. I'm pretty stiff in the pelvis anyway as I hold a lot of tension there I'm hoping the Pilates and yoga will help. But I'd never heard of the actual name for those pains. I'll look out for bumpology. It sounds good.
The stuff about cesarian and secondary infertility is incredible! Like you I can't believe that this isn't mentioned. That's great if you might be able to have a home birth. I'm comjng round to the idea. The MW gas booked us into a home birth workshop so that we can learn more about it.
And thanks Mariana for the link. I have never been able to sleep on my back. DP does until I roll him over to stop the snoring! And it's just too I comfy on my tummy now. The pillow is working well at the mo. I'm going to move up to a bolster soon. I think that will make all the difference. I quite enjoy snuggling up to something. DP gets very hot.
I'm very thankful to be on my way home at last. Had a thunderous headache today. I know they are supposed to be common in pregnancy. This was my first. Looking forward to resting at home.
Hi ladies, hope we are all well.
buzzy how are you doing my lovely?
fairy and shazza kudos to you both for the home birth plans. I had 18 people in when I last gave birth so it was very crowded, but bizarrely it still felt very intimate and not at all impersonal. I think a hospital birth is still for me this time (helps with the mentalling!) but my next door neighbour had a home birth and loved it. I'd certainly have loved to have been at home straight after the birth, when it was over I just wanted my own bed and shower and loo!
keep I am quite moley too but I got skin tags in my last pg. they don't bother me so I've never had them removed but I think some GPs can freeze them off?
mariana you sound like supermum decorating with a newborn! I remember the sleeplessness well, I just felt permanently hungover and a bit ill. Hope you get some sleep tonight
I won't mention that dd1 didn't sleep through until she was two and a half...
Today a colleague at work (who I used to like!) came up to me, pointed at my bump (was in smart tailored dress today so quite obvious) and said..."am I saying congratulations then?" "uh, yes, although its a bit early so I havent really wanted to tell anyone officially" "oh, how far gone are you then" (hate the fact that we are 'gone' when pregnant, what's that all about?) "um, nine to ten weeks ish" " oh you're big. Are you sure it isn't twins" "it is twins actually" "oh my goodness. I bet that's the last thing you wanted or needed at the moment".
What the hell? What? Stupid woman. I really want to tell people to fuck off and that it is none of their goddam business but don't want to be rude. Any ideas on good comebacks that won't make me look like a bitch but will get rid of idiots like this?
Rant over, thanks!
Crisps - That is spectacularly rude. I would favour telling her to fuck off but that's probably not sensible. How about saying 'Well actually we're delighted, we've had a struggle getting to this point.' That might work. My DD1 was a horrendous sleeper until I did controlled crying at 10 months, I'll do it with DD2 at about seven months so I just have to keep going until then... (Super mum I am not! My parents were here minding the baby.)
fairy, I knew absolutely nothing about the link with c sections and secondary infertility. I consider myself quite well informed about pregnancy but that is genuinely a surprise. When I requested my section my consultant said whether I can easily support you or not depends on whether you plan to have more children as most of the risks are about problems in future pregnancies - scar ruptures, adhesions etc. I said this was my last and that was that. It makes sense though as you must have scar tissue reducing the surface area for implantation to take place in.
I've never considered a home birth! Kudos to those who do though and avoiding the post natal ward has to be a huge bonus.
I'm dreading this evening, the colic is back despite my dairy avoidance. I think we just have to see it out now, should improve in oh about another 5 weeks.
FFS at your colleague crisps. Firstly how bloody rude to ask you outright and then to make a comment like that?! I have no witty come backs and am v cross on your behalf.
Sorry about the headache shazz. I had a proper migraine last week and had to take the day off work. at another spooky coincidence in our OHs both being from god's own county (as he calls it).
I too am v impressed at the potential home births. I am far too much of a worrier to not be at hospital
and also don't wanna mess up my own sheets
Good luck for tonight mariana!
Thanks for the fanny candle tips. I'm weaning myself off them and no bleeding so far... I have had a crap day re sickiness. Blurgh. I thought it was meant to get better at 12 weeks?! I do keep remembering the tiny baby on the scan though and thinking it's all so worth it.
I'm telling my team at work on Friday. Am debating whether to say it's ivf. Other than my boss, no one knows about it. A bit of me thinks it's none of their business and the other part thinks why should I hide it and I'd like to try to help normalise ivf. Hmmm, what have other ivfers done/planning to do?'
crisps you should say 'and I'm interested in your ignorant narrow minded short sighted opinion because............' but I am a cow, my colleague who is an Aussie male physio has already told me I scare him I've already gone up a dress size with the drugs
not all the obsessive stoggie eating the weight gain in what 2 weeks is rather scary
again tell her you are a competent and organised woman so you will no doubt manage quite well, its called mirroring she is projecting feelings of herself onto you, clearly she is not keen on herself
mariana sorry about the colic
gin I worked with a guy back home and his wife had sickness until she gave birth I have made no secret about telling people but then most of these people are aware of my miscarriages so have been waiting for an 'announcement', Barry told the family not to mention its IVF, I don't care what people think though, I am happy for them to think that its because of me as its DE, its what you feel comfortable telling them
thanks for asking about me ladies, I feel like shit right now, just constantly eating then feeling crap a bit of sickness earlier today and back to a 3+ so I think Thursday/Friday was about one of the twins not making it
buzzy sorry to hear that if that is the case. Glad your test results and symptoms are back. I've gone through the same thing and it's very odd, you feel distraught and also grateful at the same time. I hope the next few weeks bring you some answers and a plan to move forwards and look forward to.
gin I tend not to mention IVF unless asked specifically. I'm not ashamed of it at all, but I find even educated people are quite ignorant of how it works and ask tons of questions because it is something different. Most of them will then also offer their opinions, which can be a little insensitive: it's not natural/oh they fixed you see I told you so etc. My close friends know and are ok but at work I sometimes feel like the person that people talk about when they say 'I've got this friend that...' and gossip. I get easily irritated by people so try not to give them the opportunity to piss me off! I think it's a personal thing though, do as you feel is right. Congrats on the 12weeks too, awesome!
I didn't give much of a reply to said stupid woman. The woman kind of works for me and I don't think she meant to be rude so tried to be dignified. Was also asked today about whether I would be able to do my job and have three children (I am an assistant head - teaching is quite old fashioned with respect to womens abilities!). My response: watch me. And then I smiled. I was quite chuffed with myself for that!
crisps wow that is rude on so many points. The only snappy answer I can think of to 'how far gone are you?' is 'so far gone I ain't never coming back!' ha haha. No, it's pretty feeble. One of the higher ups at my workplace last pregnancy and now this one never missed an opportunity to exclaim loudly in front of everyone at how 'big' I was. Thanks.
mariana I'm really surprised too. I wonder if that's part of the reason why secondary infertility seems to be increasing as the caesarean rate keeps going up as well? I'm amazed this hasn't been investigated thoroughly.
gin I haven't told anyone at work it was IVF apart from one colleague who was very helpful throughout. I don't think they'd understand and I don't want to have to try to explain it. I have told friends though.
I'm really going for the home birth because I am not allowed in the brand new midwife led unit because I have had a caesarean before and so my only other option is to go back to the same delivery unit where I had an extended traumatic labour before. I just want everything to not be like the first time. I don't feel afraid of giving birth at home, whereas my first time round I was. We are only 10 min from the hospital anyway if something were to go wrong.
oh and gin sorry about the sickness still. I had it until about 14 weeks with both pg but it eased up after 12 weeks so wasn't every day.
Crisps I'm astounded at the rudeness. I don't have a witty or clever comeback I'm afraid, I think that I would say, "actually they are both very much wanted and needed and we are thrilled to be welcoming them into our family." Your response to the coping comment was ace!
Mariana I'm only just venturing into the world of parenting techniques. Is there a reason why you decided to try controlled crying (apart from the obvious sleeping problem) and a reason why you will leave it until 7 months this time? I know that it is early days but it is bewildering. I'm confused by all the conflicting advice. I'm sorry that you are expecting a difficult evening. I hope that you are surprised.
Gin It is so worth it. Just keep thinking of little Gintastic. I'm not sure about the IVF dilemma. I didn't tell work that I was going for treatment and haven't now told them the whole saga about the miracle conception. Our friends and family know everything and like you I wanted to tell them because I wanted to normalise IVF. I don't think that there is anything to be ashamed of, quite the opposite. I think that it is amazing that the opportunity is out there. However, telling your nearest and dearest is different to telling colleagues. When I told my boss, he mentioned another 'older' mother at work and said something like, "Don't worry about age, I mean look at * she had her last one with some strange intervention or something'. He meant well but was abit ignorant.
Buzzy, I'm so sorry that things are tough. Hang on in there honey. Good news that the digi reading has gone up. It sounds like sadly you lost one but you have another one there that needs you to be strong in these trying days. My thoughts are with you.
Fairy, we are further than 10 mins from the hospital. I'm still not totally convinced. Partly cause of risk and partly cause I'm
completely anal about cleanliness not sure about how it would work here as our flat isn't that big.
I cooked the most spectacular, tasty, protein and calcium packed dinner tonight even if I say so myself . Quinoa, loads of green veg, smoked salmon cooked right at the end, topped with toasted seeds. And there is some for lunch. I'm looking forward to it already!
I'm having an early night tonight. DP is painting so I'm on my own. Do you think that it is ok to go to bed when it is still light outside? I feel like a little girl!
Night all. x
buzzy I hope you get some answers and reassurance soon.
I've been in bed for hours already! She seems better being fed in the dark and I'm very tired anyway.
shazza, controlled crying is a tricky one. I didn't want to do it but was at the end of my tether. It used to take three hours to settle DD1 and even then she would wake an hour later and I'd be in with her for another couple of hours. I used to lie on her floor singing to her, deranged with tiredness (I wouldn't bed share then either). With controlled crying she was self settling and sleeping through within three nights. First night she (and I) cried for an hour, second night half an hour and third night five minutes. It meant naps no longer consisted of me walking round and round the park with a blanket draped over the pram, and then her waking the second we got home. I could put her in her cot after lunch and she'd sleep for two hours. it worked very well for her and she was a happier child for getting decent amounts of sleep and I was far happier not being shattered all the time. It's controversial though and you're not supposed to use it on babies younger than seven months so that's why I'll wait. It's awful doing it but if it works then it's great. I am a great one for routines though, except I've always fed on demand, but routine keeps everything vaguely in order and allows me to feel like I'm in control. I'm awful at going with the flow etc. Anyway, don't worry about parenting - I mostly made it up as I went along and did whatever felt right to me. It's a very individual thing and very easy to be judgey of others (which is secretly quite fun!)
I think you should be open about IVF if you're comfortable with that. I am open about my losses and fertility issues as I think, like some of you have said, that it's needs publicly acknowledging that pregnancy is a massive challenge for many of us. It might make them think twice in future.
shazza choice of birthplace is entirely individual (just like mariana says about raising babies). However people I know who have had a home birth have said that there is really very little mess and I don't think you would need a lot of space, it's more about being comfortable where you are.
gin I too am being fairly open with friends about ivf. I'm not sure I'd say it when telling my team, but if it came up in 1:1 conversation I think I would.
There's no way my dh would entertain a home birth - he's a Dr - I might get away with a MW centre but only if it's across the hall from the ward. Tbh I think I wouldn't feel comfortable being at home anyway
and what about pain relief But given we still don't know where we'll be living when we get home in august it's still academic. I am head-in-the-sand about the labour until 20 weeks I think!
Is it weird that I felt odd/slightly upset by an instadiffer announcement by a v good friend? I mean, I'm pregnant now!
buzz I'm so pleased you feel like crap again, and the digi went up, but so sorry if one of the embies didn't make it. I still think you should go to epau on Friday if you can.
fairy I'm shocked at secondary infertility rates for vaginal and especially c sections!! Oh god, let that not be an additional thing to worry about
getting ahead of myself. But this is to be your last, right? I agree, why isn't there more research?
Oh and crisps I am outraged at your colleague. What an idiot. I think some people may just be trying to make conversation but... I hope she's not a blabbermouth. I think I would have said sth like 'actually they are exactly what we want and need, thank you'. Make her feel dreadful.
keep, I too am still slightly resentful of instaduffer announcements. I can only assume it's a hard habit to break.
I assume there isn't much research into sections and infertility as there's little money in it so nobody will fund it.
Keep I also feel resentful about instaduffer announcements. In fact how is this for resentment..DPs best friend recently married a girl after a whirlwind romance (3 and a half yrs and no proposal bitter? Moi?) the girl is sweet but oh so perfect. Anyway following our announcement the friend has told DP that they are trying already a month after the wedding. I'm already waiting for the announcement. She is so effing perfect she is bound to get upduffed in a nano second. <shamed at rant>.
Mariana thanks for sharing your experience. It is really generous of you. I've read that it is a controversial technique and I guess it is easy to sit back and say one would never do that but I can see how it worked for you and that is good to know. You are right there is so much judgement out there. I've got SILs who are Gina fans and a cousin who is all about attachment parenting. All are already asking me what I intend to do. Crikey I'm not even half way through yet. I feel that both camps would like my reassurance that I agree with them so that they can confirm that their choice was the right one. But you and fairy are right. We have to make our personal choices. I hope trenchlet got a good nights sleep and so did you.
Fairy maybe the MW will bring plastic sheeting to cover the floor. If not we could put the decorating dust sheets down! Re pain relief. A couple of paracetamol should do it
Talking of which, I've woken up with the headache that I went to bed with and had all day yesterday. Am I ok to take a couple of paracetamol? Book says I should ask my medical practitioner but do I really need to see the dr to ask about paracetamol?
I hope everyone else is ok. Re comments about big bumps. The opposite is also true. I've had people comment that I'm not very big which makes me feel that I'm letting shazlett down in someway by not eating enough and hindering her growth. So we can't win!
Enjoy the sunshine.
happiness short lived, i'm back at EPAU with little symptoms and spotting god I hate all of this
Oh Buzzy this is crap. So sorry. But I guess if you lost a twin there would be a bit of spotting? Have a virtual hand to hold. x
Busy day - hope everyone else is well.
Oh Buzzy big hug. I'm so sorry you are having to go through this. Everything crossed for you. X
Fingers crossed here too buzz, do let us know.
shaz you could always propose yourself... I liked your rant... It's not like we'd wish troubles on anyone, but 6-9 months would be good for people imo... You can take paracetamol. Just stick nicely to the guidelines. They just write that on everything. Hope you feel better.
I feel like I wouldn't do controlled crying by choice, but having seen my niece not sleep through till 2, I would at some point if s/he is a bad sleeper. I HATE all this judging that seems to happen, and I think you're right shaz its prob to do with validating their own choices. It prob makes bu difference at that age <ignorant though>
hey ladies back from my second home baby is measuring 2mm too small but there was a heartbeat, they said that IVF babies are a it smaller?? Is this true, I also googled that tilted uterus doesn't help for some reason, just got to hang on until next Wednesday
I read that tilted uterus can make measuring very hard. So glad you saw a heartbeat but you're probably wondering if you can rejoice just yet with spot apparently measuring a little smaller so I'll do a big loud WHOOP for you!
Woo hoo!!!!! You are 6+1, right? Fantastic to see a hb. I measured 2 days behind at 7+4, five days ahead at 13+1. So it could be ivf babies, or just its so hard when they ate so small.
all sonographers have trouble finding things inside i'm usually full of gas and one of my ovaries is always hiding and my bowels always want to be in the picture i'll keep holding onto the idea that it is my wonky womble for now, thank you ladies
Buzzy that is brilliant news. I've been checking in hoping for news. Hang on in there honey. X
buzzy that's marvellous, I hope that gives you enough to go on until next Wed. The heartbeat is the important thing.
Thanks ladies, as long as I have no more spotting, well there is nothing I can do at this stage other than hope and pray
Woop for buzzy! My sonographer at the Lister told me that the size margins are very big at that age because they're so titchy. Good luck x
Woop for buzzy! My sonographer at the Lister told me that the size margins are very big at that age because they're so titchy. Good luck x
Totally MrsH. At that stage they're just checking that things are in the right place, WHICH THEY ARE!!!!
I've missed off half my post - not sure how that happened. I wrote a long angsty ramble about shopping. In a nutshell would I be counting my chickens if I order things like a pram and cot now. And is anyone looking at prams? I'm thinking of getting a citi jogger - does anyone have any views?
Buzzy, that's great news. Hang in there.
Shaz, the fact that you're even thinking about it means you'll be a great mother. I think that anyone who worries that they are a bad mother never actually is. It's those that never even consider it that are the worst. (Does any of that make sense?!) I'm living proof that you can pick and mix a range of approaches depending on your needs, I'm much more baby led generally, but I do think controlled crying saved my sanity.
Prams: I love my Mamas and Papas Sola. It's just lovely.
Top Tip of the day: Upmarket jumble sale TK Maxx has some great baby bargains. I was killing time this afternoon and went into one. They had Grobag sleeping bags really cheap, presumably last seasons design but who cares. I bought washable baby wipes (these are great for sticky hands) but my best buy was a Skip Hop change bag for £28 instead of £62! The actual baby clothes were pretty ghastly but I'd say it's well worth a look.
This afternoon the Trenchlet actually slept in her pram whilst I browsed nail varnish in Boots. This is what maternity leave is supposed to be like!
shaz when you go on to the new scientist website you can read some of the bumpology columns (for free). They're quite entertaining!
dildals thanks, I'll look that up - sounds perfect 4am breast feeding reading material. I love New Scientist.
Expat my bro has a citi jogger. He loves it. He says they got it cause it was the best one for one handed collapsing. But I've just looked up Mariana's and that looks great. It is bewildering choice isn't it? I've read the mn reviews hundreds of times! I don't think you are counting your chickens at all. I think that you can afford to let yourself enjoy choosing these items for your little one.
Mariana thanks for the vote of confidence. I guess it will all work out once shazlett is here in front of me. I'm glad you enjoyed your shopping trip with trenchlett.
Dildals thanks for the tip. I'll look at the new scientist. How are you feeling now?
Buzzy how are you feeling tonight?
Keep did you try the pillow trick at night by the way?
I hope everyone else is ok and had a good day. We've just been dancing and now it's bed time. Night all.
Hello ladies! Happy Hump Day Wednesday.
Mariana glad to hear all is still going well with you and DD. Thanks for the info on routines. Shazza I'm unsure as to what we'll do as well - I've heard from friends that Baby Whisperer might be good when they're tiny and Gina Ford might come in to play when they've started to grasp the sleeping thing? I'm clueless! I need to learn! Re the 'tell or not to tell' re IVF piece - we have been very open with friends, family and total strangers TBH! It seems like the last taboo and since we spoke about it all kinds of things fertility related have come out of the woodwork from others, I feel good in a way that we've perhaps helped some people to talk about it. PS, what kind of dancing were you doing last night? I'm intrigued!
Keep I'm with you with the instadiffers! Definitely! PS, are you going to be having the baby in Thailand?
Crisps - wow to the colleague's insensitivity! Can't really add much more to what the ladies have said really. Hope you can brush it off and see it for what it was.
Buzzy I'm sorry for everything you're going through but it sounds like you have every reason to stay positive now, even though I won't insult you by telling you to relax!!
Expat - I'm somewhat freaked out/embarrassed to say that DH and I are going pram shopping next Sunday - I'll only be 15.5 weeks! However, there is method to my madness - I'm fairly sure we'll be going for a Bugaboo Cameleon which old K Middy is rumoured to have selected for the royal sprog - so I want to get mine ordered lest there is some kind of worldwide stock shortage!
Hello fairy, didals and anyone else who is reading!
14 weeks today. Two loo trips in the night. Nothing much else to report!
Hello mrsH and everyone
We were ballroom dancing. It's great I really love it.
I was looking at the bugaboo bee. How different is the chameleon? Good info re royal choice. I commend your foresight. Oh God it's so confusing. We want to cover so many things, lightweight ( we live on 1st floor), ok on buses, good for car seat, ok from newborn, easy to fold and folds up small. AND affordable! It's a minefield. My parental unit is chipping in for the pram so that is a worry off our mind.
I was also up twice in the night. I'm usually only once but just couldn't sleep last night. Anyone hear on the news that pregnant women are now advised to avoid household chemicals and food in tins or plastic? Why don't they just confine us all in padded rooms until we have safely gestated the offspring that will carry the human race forward .
The bugaboos are lovely but dear god the cost! I can wholeheartedly not recommend the Chicco travel system. I had this first time round and it was rickety, heavy, hard to collapse and generally rubbish. It was third hand though via my sister. They are one of the cheapest brands and I suspect you get what you pay for to a certain extent.
I think I would go for a better make but seriously consider second hand. You can get my Sola with all the kit for about £150 on eBay which I think is very reasonable but it depends how you feel about second hand. DD2 has some things that she is the sixth baby to use and I'm still planning to pass on some to my cousin for use a seventh time!
<polishes green credentials> (Conveniently ignoring use of planet raping disposables...)
I like the bugaboos but dont want to get somethig that KM will get which I know is ridiculous. Also like the uppababy but don't think it will get through the tram doors here. Shall check out mamas and papas. Also, do you have any experience of the concord neo?
Shazza, yes I heard that advice. Fabulously vague. A sort of you're doing it all wrong but we can't tell you how to do it right.
Morning all! The buggy chat is interesting. I think we'll wait until the 21 week scan before buying, but I am researching in the meantime and am totally overwhelmed by the choice! Our house is tiny, so we need something that folds up small, but must be ok to get on/off buses. My parents have offered to buy it too! I like the look of the mama and papas ones marianna. I think there's a m&p factory shop somewhere, which we may try.
Ballroom dancing shazz? It's all I can do to drag myself home to the sofa after a day at work! V impressed!
mrshy a royal pram for baby hy I am dreading they'll use one of my baby names, meaning we can't use it!
Thanks for the bumpology tip didals.< Plans an afternoon reading, erm I mean working!>
buzzy hope you are doing ok today. It is such a worrying time and I too had the small bean issue, as mentioned on t'other fred. I can imagine it's a hundred times harder with what you have been through in the past and I just don't know how I'd manage without DH about! Although mine kept going on about how 'mental' I was the morning of my scan. Thanks love, I think a few tears
mad sobbing were allowed!
mariana TK Max is a great tip for baby stuff. I've got a lot of household stuff from there and hadn't thought of baby stuff. Your afternoon shopping with a sleeping baby sounds ace.
expat hope you are ok and feeling a bit better after your tough weekend.
Instadiffers still annoy/upset me. I know it shouldn't, but it does.
All ok here. Only 1 loo trip for me last night and I managed to sleep til 7, rather than 6 or earlier! I am still feeling sick though and also have a cold. The MW told me colds are good for the baby's immune system, but doesn't stop me feeling shite!
gin I think being 'mental' on the morning of your (7 wk? 12 wk?)scan is perfectly reasonable! My DH said I was more anxious than he had ever seen me before (which is going some). There aren't many other situations in life where the results are so stark and important.
We got an "out and about" jogger for DS and will be using it again for DD. It is very durable and lightweight, the only problem being because it is designed for jogging (which I did do quite a bit of) it has a really long wheelbase which can be a pain in shops. Folds up easily enough. It also is a facing forward style so when DS was v young that meant I couldn't keep an eye on him all the time.
I heard that "advice" from RCOG this morning on the today programme too. It seemed to me to boil down to "there may be a risk, we don't know, but given that we can't rule it out, it's best that you avoid it". Which would be fine if the thing to avoid were say, Amazonian frog venom or powdered unicorn horn. But given that it's things that are in heavy daily use by just about everyone it seems rather irresponsible to me, particularly given how emotional one becomes over exposing your baby to a 'risk'. How can you even quantify or identify a risk from such common and heavily used things? Does that mean that every baby born in the last 50 years in our society is missing a few IQ points? I really don't understand it.
Thanks fairy! It was the 12 week scan and I just ignored him
swore at him a bit
I know re the news - basically EVERYTHING is bad for us. It's hard enough as it is, without not being allowed to eat anything pre packed/ tinned. And if you eat fresh, you're risking toxiplasmosis etc etc. I just try to be sensible and avoid anything with definite risks. They seem to keep changing their minds anyway - I was rather pleased to see Stilton is now allowed!
Right, better do some work...
I thought it was a dreadful report 'there may be risks but we don't know, so we advise pg women to be careful'. Wtaf are you supposed to do with that?! I can only drink bottled water here. You have to just be realistic.
mrsH I Can't believe you're looking at prams next week!! How exciting. I will not be doing anything till at least 25 weeks - we move back to the UK at 22 weeks, then have to find a house, move in, sort MW care and birth etc.... Eek.
There is no way I would spend that on a prams, nice as it looks. My sister's cast offs, eBay, or cheaper models are my cup of tea I think.
It's just a pram, no? Or am I missing something vital?
Oh shaz I tried the pillow thing and though it was comfy I just turned away from it in the night. Onto my tummy, argh....
Keep I'm glad the pillow helped abit. You get used to it. I was thinking to put one each side for when I turn over but there wouldn't be much room for DP!
I'm also considering a secondhand pram purchase even if my parents are buying. Even better if someone gives us one but everyone I know still has one in use with their second child or has a second on the way. I'm still hoping to use a sling mostly anyway.
Fairy that might account for some of the ignorant people out there! I agree that we can't avoid everything. It seems to be indicative of our 'put warning labels on everything' society. As Keep said we have to be realistic and we are all doing out best. Re jogger I can't run for toffee so that is one pram I can cross off my list. Good to know they work for those who do though and they aren't just branding hype that I fear so many of these prams are.
Gin we are going to wait abit re pram too. Mainly because we have to decorate every room in our flat so there is no point buying it yet. In mothercare they told me about a scheme where you can order stuff, pay bit by bit and then they deliver it all near the due date. Sorry about your cold. I didn't know that about the baby's immune system. I was also mental before every scan. I think it's normal. I am quite an anxious person sometimes but pregnancy is the most worrying experience I have every had.
Mariana we are definitely secondhand Roses in our house. Along with handmade. I've got all my knitters on the case re clothes but sadly they can't knit me a pram! I'm going to visit everyone I know with a toddler in a van to collect stuff!
Everyone else ok? If there are any lurkers hello to you too.
Very quiet day inside me today. I can't feel shazlett anyway yet but no stretching today or any sensations to indicate there is someone in there.
Hope you are all ok and had a good day.
stops eating beans straight out of tin what this is bad for me I get tired of all this so called expert advice. Just before I went off for IVF they were saying that women who leave having kids till later on have a higher risk of breast cancer really kick while i'm down why don't you.
I did have a look at some stuff in TK Maxx before and bought a cute little all in one, sadly I miscarried so I put it away in my MIL's loft along with the items I knitted
keep I also looked on Ebay at prams in the past, there are some good deals
Isn't KM due in July, I'm surprised the sex has been kept a secret this long
gin what kind of baby names do you have it is understandable that you would be anxious about your scan, I'm used to doing things on my own so Barry being away doesn't make much difference, he would only smother me if he was here
shazza ballroom dancing, i'm impressed, DH and I are too uncoordinated for anything like that
thank you for your support ladies, I have been feeling pretty crap the last couple of days, indigestion and sickness, I have cycilzine and Buccastem, neither really helping, my concern is that I'm on high levels of progesterone and prednisolone and I'm eating like a horse, have already gained 4 kilos, I am just constantly hungry but only carbs and stoggie stuff, last week it was hoummous and toast, today its cheese, beans and toast
Buzzy cheese and beans on toast sounds delicious. I know it is easy for me to say but you have enough on your plate to add eating worries on top. You have a cocktail of drugs taking their toll along with all the other worry. Maybe once you are feeling better it will even out abit? And hummous and beans and cheese are all excellent protein. At least you are not eating cakes and kebabs.
Re ballroom dancing we are not going to win strictly anytime soon, we can't even get through a whole dance yet without stopping but we are getting better and we really enjoy it. We started when all the fertility pressure was getting to us and we'd forgotten to have fun. Now we laugh throughout the class. It's great.
buzzy I understand about putting clothes away in the loft - when I first started TTC my second I bought for a friend who had just given birth a gorgeous little dress for a girl baby (blue, a Japanese style block print, from Polarn O Pyret). Then I found I liked it so much I couldn't give it to my friend . I kept it in my drawer at work because I just felt superstitious about bringing it at home. Then as the months passed I started to feel that I would never have that baby so I piled a bunch of work stuff on top of it and tried not to look at it. But now I have got it out again and although I am not up to bringing it home just yet it isn't the sad thing lurking that it has been. I hope the items in your MIL's loft go through the same transformation for you.
fairy I don't plan to do much until i'm about 20 weeks, I would like to do some more knitting though
shazza I'm a big girl anyway so its alot of weight to gain in a month and loosing weight when pregnant is not easy, I don't want to end up with gestational diabetes either
buzzy I have been craving carbs too. Just had to have marmite on toast even though I had already had my tea. I blame a thread I read in chat about marmite on toast. I have been craving it ever since.
I am waiting until after 20 week before getting anything. I might have a look at buggies on the net but am not getting anything.
I am having my blood taken tomorrow ready for my nt screening a week on Monday. I am going for bob the sample straight to the clinic rather than trust putting it in the post.
sweetie I am in the HATE marmite camp although DH is hoping I will convert
Gah, I want marmite on toast now and I'm in bed so can't.
I bought nothing for DD2 before she was born. I've still not bought her any clothes as I have all DD1s and people have bought me lots of (pink) things for her. I've got her some things for her room though so I'm not totally neglecting her.
I am absolutely knackered. I have forgotten what normal feels like.
Marmite, yum yum. With LOADS of butter!!!
I'm sorry buzzy I hope I didn't upset you. I appreciate it's hard. I just thought maybe the drugs are playing their part because it doesn't sound like you are eating bad things. It's a horrible time for you and I wish for you to feel better.
Fairy that sounds like a beautiful dress. Your little tinkerbell is going to be pretty as a picture.
Good luck with the bloods today sweetie.
Mariana I feel for you. We have it all to come. How is the colic now? Of course you aren't neglecting trenchlet
My new paranoia is that my bump isn't big enough. I've got my 20 scan in 3 weeks and I hope I grow more in that time.
After yesterday's warnings on the news DP wants to pack me off when we start glossing the woodwork. I'm not sure where I'm supposed to go!
Have a good day all.
Buzzy, I really don't think this is the time to beat yourself up. Be nice to yourself.
Shazza, I didn't really have a bump until around 24 weeks last time. It's all popped out this time and my bump is a big as a colleagues who's due in 2 weeks!
I love marrmite. Very buttery soldiers with marmite to have with boiled egg. yum.
Sorry to not be reading the thread more closesly. I'm so busy at work I have no energy by the time I get home. I had a check up this morning and all is well - slowly inching towards 28 weeks. 26,5 today.
I'm sure I saw something up thread about upduffed announcements. I get jealous when someone announces a second or third pregnancy. Silly, I know. I try to tell myself that if you're going to be jealous of something you have to be jealous of the whole package and it helped a little when a friend announced her 4th baby because I really wouldn't want her alcoholic arse of a dh <miaow>
Gin, I'm doing okay thanks. Starting to feel a bit more confident.
I know I started the marmite debate but am going to have to have marmite soldiers with boiled egg for lunch. I was planning to have salad but that is just not as appealing.
Midwife has called this morning to say I don't need to be taking increased dose of folic acid for my twin pregnancy. Apparently she has checked with senior midwife. I don't know if to just get some and start taking a couple of extra a day to supplement my pregnacare vits. it can't hurt can it?
I've been lurking and too scared to join you on this thread until my first scan, as I was terrified there would be nothing there.
Just back from hospital and for today anyway, it is confirmed I am 6+6 following FET in May, with a little bean that's the right size and has a good heartbeat. This is the furthest down this path we have ever been; my first IVF ended in a chemical pregnancy and prior to that, nothing for 3 years of trying on our own. I used to think the 2ww was bad but I have never been more terrified or closer to losing my sanity than I am right now!
Can I join you for some hand holding please? Buzzy, I think we are at about the same stage and kind of similar situations in that I have ZERO pregnancy symptoms and am also having spotting. The clinic could find no reason today for the spotting so I just have to wait it out and try to stay positive and hope the spotting stops, but it's hard. Hope you are doing OK and hanging in there keeping up the positivity and cheese on toast. Good luck for your next scan.
Hi to everyone else too.
Congratulations ceara and it's totally normal to be nervous after what you've been through. Come and be mental here and you'll blend right in! (Spotting is very common too.)
Shaz you still have stomach muscles so that's why you'll have a neater bump. By the time I was on my fourth pregnancy I was out of normal jeans at about 6 weeks!
I'm also jealous of 3rd and 4th pregnancies - I think they're being greedy!
Hello ceara and welcome to the fretting thread. Seeing a heartbeat is great news - congratulations!
Hi ceara welcome and congratulations! Brilliant news. We have all been dreadful up to our 12 weeks scans, then it gets easier.
expat you're doing great! Any other pain? Are you at work or off?
I have bleeding gums this evening when I brush. Anyone else? I only went to the dentist ten days ago, he said I had v mild gingivitis, nothing to worry about.
ceara welcome and congrats on your little bean.
shazza I don't think size of bump really has much to do with size of baby (although there is a vague correlation later in pregnancy which is why they measure you) because a lot depends on your shape (some women stick out in front, others go out all over), how many pregnancies you have, how much fluid you are carrying etc. Just be glad you are not already huge and ungainly like me! PS my DH painted the kitchen a few weeks ago and I was very very happy to use the excuse that I shouldn't be inhaling fumes to have naps instead of chipping in.
Welcome ceara and congratulations. Very exciting to see a heartbeat. You don't need to worry about being worried. Its normal here. We are all in the same boat. Nice to have you on board.
Sweets I'm not sure about the extra folic acid. If they told crisps then maybe you should take some. What did dildals do? It's good that there are 3 of you to compare notes. I'll look in the books I have at home and see what they say.
Expat good to hear from you. I hope you aren't working too hard although keeping busy helps the time to tick by. You are doing great.
Fairy, expat and Mariana thanks for the reassurance re the bump. Actually it seems a bit bigger today but that might be wind . I think the 'oh you're not very big are you?' Comments started to play on my mind. I don't want to let shazlett down but I can't eat anymore!
Now I can't remember the other posts. Sorry if there is something I've forgotten.
Hello to everyone else
Oh keep yes to bleeding gums. Mine often do a bit but the other day i got such a fright cause there was loads of blood. It's stopped now though. And I still haven't made a dentist appt. thanks for reminding me.
Oh keep yes to bleeding gums. Mine often do a bit but the other day i got such a fright cause there was loads of blood. It's stopped now though. And I still haven't made a dentist appt. thanks for reminding me.
You can buy something called Gengigel or Gingigel in Boots, a blue and white tube of gel that you rub into your gums last thing at night that helps with the bleeding and inflammation. It's about £7 a tube. My hygienist recommended it during pregnancy.
Hot hot hot. Desperate to get home, take my sticky bra off and stand under a very cold shower. I feel revolting.
Expat I was confused for a minute but then remembered that you live abroad! It's not so sunny here today.
Thanks Mariana. You are a mine of top tips. I'm writing them all down
I'm starving. We are moving desks here and I've missed a snack. Time to tuck into lunch soon.
Thanks Mariana, though I couldn't find it in boots here. Will have to wait till I get home. I literally cannot wait to not be hot expat. Before pregnancy and living in Bangkok I was always cold at home. I was ok here pre preg, but now I am Always Freaking Hot and I've had it. It's 38 and v humid all day, and like 33 at night. Argh. Ah, rainy cold England, how I miss thee. 7 weeks...
Wow keep 38 and humid must be hard work. It was 28 today and I struggled. A friend gave me the tip of putting wet flannels in the freezer for a while and then putting them on your pressure points so am giving that a go. I'm back at work.
Haven't heard from Dildals for a while. Hope all is okay.
I don't know where my head is these days. Is there really such a thing as pregnancy braiin? keep 7 weeks is very close. It must be getting exciting! Are you all sorted?
Once you start looking at travel systems properly the cost is amazing - near enough 1000 euros. I saw an x-lander pram on the tram the other day and it looked fab but can't work out where I can get it.
20 ish degrees with a nice cooling breeze is about my limit of comfort. Those temperatures sound pretty gruelling. Lots of sympathy. I have also found that cold compresses on pressure points help a bit on the odd occasion the summer turns up here in England, so it's definitely worth a try.
Thanks for the welcome and the reassuring words about spotting being quite common. Mine seems (touching wood and holding breath) to be abating for now though my sanity's still awol! I feel like I want to camp out in the hospital and have a scan every day before breakfast. And I really hate hospitals. And scans. (Is irrationality and anxious obsessing a pregnancy symptom? Maybe I'm having some symptoms after all!)
Lovely to see how many of you have already made it through the first 12 weeks.
shazza you did not upset me, I'm just shocked at this uncontrolable eating and massive weight gain, if I was thin to start with I would worry so much but I really just cannot control it, I ended up going 3 hours without food today as we on a home visit with a patient and it took longer than expected I now need to have emergency snacks in my bag
one of patients asked if a colleague was pregnant, she is a big girl but she is most certainly not diffed, I did wonder what he though the same about me, although I won't be one of those women with the little bump, i'll be the one that people can't decide if i'm pregnant or fat
ceara welcome and congrats
yes you are a couple of days a head of me, I do now have symptoms that I neurotically note down each day I've had a few days where the sickness has been unbearable, I have not known anything like it, then get totally freaked out when in goes away,
Did the clinic test your progesterone level?? my clinic told me up my dose and the spotting has stopped, when is your next scan
expat the weather thing threw me a bit too
keep 38 and humid I've lived in warmer climbs but have to say I am glad to be in the UK right now
well there isn't much left in the house to eat besides the cat I am finding the husband quite irritating at times, he's only be home 45 minutes
Finding one's husband irritating is a definite pregnancy symptom.
I too can only cope with 21 degrees. 38 just sounds horrible, hope you're feeling cooler keep. Somehow!
Ceara, I hated scans but obviously found them reassuring if they were ok. The reassurance generally lasted about two days. It's so hard but just try to get through one day at a time.
Still lovely weather here but I discovered that I can't fit into any of my maxi dresses due to massive bosom. I can't wait for these things to deflate a little.
Thanks buzzy. Mad world, isn't it, for me to be saying I'm so pleased to hear you're being unbearably sick and vomitous :-) I hope your scan next week (is that right?) brings you more reassurance.
As for me, I am now discharged from the fertility clinic as of Thursday, so no more scans or tests scheduled yet unless the spotting returns/gets worse in which case I have to see my GP for a referral to the early pregnancy unit. I think I will book a private scan for a couple of weeks time - part of me is chicken, but probably better to know sooner. Still no real pregnancy symptoms other than slightly tender breasts if I really think about it, and occasional minor possible nausea, though I do have a sense of smell now which isn't normal for me. My mum had no pregnancy symptoms in the first trimester, so I am trying to take comfort from the thought that maybe its in the genes!
Nobody suggested upping my progesterone so I am still on my standard dose of the lovely crinone until 10 weeks. Sorry to be graphic at dinner time but I was very bunged up with the crinone residue gunk stuff at the scan so wondered if that had been somehow affecting absorption of the progesterone recently??, though that is probably daft craziness. No spotting all day so I am trying to be content with that.
I can identify with the hunger and have been struggling to stay away from beige things and to eat my 5 a day. Dinner calls...
have woken up not feeling pregnant at all, no sickness, tiredness, boobs hardly sore
buzz I get days like that, or certain times of the day (if that makes sense). They are so tiny at this stage (but getting bigger each day - remember that) their impact in our bodies is likely to be minimal. I said to my mum the other day that I wanted morning sickness because it would prove to me that I was preggers. She looked at me as if I was bonkers and said 'no you bloody don't. I had it with you and I couldn't function half the time'. Try to hang on in there. In my dark moments, when I feel symptomless, I have to think logically and look at the other evidence to suggest that in all likelihood, I am still diffed. I.e., no bleeding. I know this doesn't give you a cast iron guarantee either, but unless we're scanned each day, it's all we have.
Hang on in there lovely.
Hello to everyone else.
nokkie this is the time I would feel sick usually between 7.30 and 17.30 each day, I have nothing, and yes your mum is right it is hard to function when sick, but I would more rather be sick then constantly wondering what is going on, bleeding means nothing, I've had 2 mmc before and I'm on such high doses of progesterone that I wouldn't bleed so that doesn't tell me anything, my boobs have been constantly sore but today they hardly hurt
Buzzy, it's so hard after all you've been through not to have dark thoughts so I won't insult you by saying stay positive. Can you do something or go somewhere today that has happy associations and distracts your mind for a little?
Hope everyone else is OK today.
Buzzy, likewise I won't say don't worry, but regardless of what else may or may not be going on you can't do anything about it today. Therefore in my experience the only answer is distraction. If it's as sunny with you as it is with me why not clean your windows, that'll keep you going for hours chasing those never ending streaks.
Oh buzz, not long till Wednesday. Then you'll know what's what. Every pregnancy is different.
I am v sore after Tracy Andersen workouts yest and today. shaz I think you have her, are you enjoying? Are you on month five now? I think I'll alternate months 3&4 for a bit, so not as repetitive.
Ceara I wouldn't think the old gunk stops absorption, after all this is just what its designed for. I guess we just have to trust the doctors, after all they've got us this far. Have you told any family yet?
Hi noks you ok?
Keep I don't have Tracy Anderson, Dildals has that one. I have 10 minute prenatal Pilates, Prenatal Yoga short forms and Erin O'Brien Pregnancy Fitness. They were all pretty cheap on Amazon so I got different ones for variety. I do 2 lots of the Pilates one every day so 20 mins and then at the weekend one of the others. Today I did 30 mins yoga which is boring as anything to be honest but I needed to move and stretch my body. I guess just do what feels right for you. If it's too much, as you say, go back a month and alternate. Would you like me to send you some of the gum stuff that Mariana suggested? 7 weeks until the move is so close. Any idea where you are going yet?
Expat wet flannels in the freezer is a good idea if it is hot. I'm forever putting cool compresses on my body during the day cause of my hives. I have to nip off to the loos and wet some paper towels otherwise it is unbearable. I know what you mean about travel systems. I look at the price and think 'ok, a couple of hundred' but then you have to buy the pram, car seat etc etc. What about buggies that lie flat instead of a pushchair/pram? They look abit flimsy for a newborn to me but does anyone have any thoughts?
Ceara I'm pleased the spotting has eased up. I know what you mean about wanting a scan all the time. I think irrationality is a symptom! I fear I may never get my sanity back. Congratulations on being discharged from the clinic. It's a big moment after such a journey. I had a private scan because I took the Harmony test at the Fetal Medicine Centre and 2 scans were included in the price. Re symptoms, I didn't have any of the major ones (ie tender boobs, sickness) but I did a lot of prep and had a lot of acupuncture in the lead up to treatment (all of which may, ironically, have resulted in me getting upduffed without treatment in the end) and my acupuncturist said that I shouldn't worry about not having symptoms cause in a way that showed that everything was working ok. She said that hormones rise and symptoms come but then your body adjusts and the symptoms wane abit. I felt abit reassured by that (but admittedly not much!). If your mum didn't have many symptoms it could well follow that you won't either.
Buzzy It is so tough. I want to give you a hug. All we can say is hang in there and we are all here for you. How are you feeling this evening?
Mariana I've always wanted a maxi dress but every year I try one on and I can never find one that looks good on me. I'm hoping that this year, the bigger boobs and expanding belly might mean that finally I can wear one! How are things chez Trench?
Noks how are you feeling now? I'm at home alone obsessively bidding on Ebay items. Guess where Bono is?!!!
Hello to everyone else. Quite a few peeps are quiet. I hope you are all ok.
I haven't left the flat today. What with one thing and another it didn't happen. Oops. and it is such a lovely day. This morning DP and I had a panicky conversation re maternity leave following my meeting with HR yesterday and the realisation that mat pay is nowhere near what I had calculated. Apparently the maternity policy that I printed off was wrong! I'm really stressing now that we won't have any money and I'll be forced to go back to work really early. I'm good at budgeting but I have no idea how I'm going to make that work. Hopefully the lottery ticket that we bought at work on Friday came in!
Have a good Saturday evening girls. x
shaz I love my McLaren Quest buggy. Lightweight, folds nicely and cost about £150, but not suitable from birth, only from three months. However, the McLaren Techno is suitable from birth, is more expensive but gets great reviews. Either would be far more suitable for a small hallway than a massive pram. What you could also do is use a sling for the first three months then use a buggy after that. The only thing I would suggest is that if you use a sling, buy a shopping trolley as anymore than one bag with a sling is a pain whereas a shopping trolley would be fine for buying food etc. and that's what the sling using people round here do.
Bad news about the maternity pay. Can you save some between now and then? Do you have any savings you can use to extend it? I think it's important to try and get as much leave as you want or you'll feel very miserable. Bear in mind, as I'm sure you have, that you spend less when on leave as you hardly go out. I think I spend about £10 a week as pocket money and that usually includes lunch out at a cafe for me and DD1 once a week. No work travel, lunches etc and you cook more from scratch as you've hopefully got more time.
Also massive sympathy on the hives. I've been getting a recurring on over my lip which is driving me mad. I have no idea why, it's like an itchy moustache.
We have MIL staying so have a crucial extra pair of hands about the place. We are possibly off to a local hall today for a wander round the gardens. Or off for a picnic by the river, I haven't decided yet. I do love living in the countryside!
Hope everyone else is ok and UK people are enjoying good weather.
Thanks Mariana. I was looking at the Maclarens when thinking about buggies. Great idea about the shopping trolley. I was wondering how to carry everything with a sling but that is a really good tip.
I am trying to save now and luckily we got some of the IVF money back so we can use that to buy any baby stuff that we aren't given/lent. I know you are right about not spending much. I'm sure we will work it all out.
I'm sorry you have a hive on your face. I completely sympathise. I also have them come up on my face everyday completely randomly and most of the time it feels like something is crawling on my skin even if a bump doesn't come up. I am at my wits end with it all. However, I keep thinking that others have much worse things to deal with and I am grateful that it is not life threatening.
I'm so envious of your countryside day out. I'm stuck indoors trying to sort out the biggest piles of
rubbish paperwork that you have ever seen. Thank heavens for EP on Sunday and singing musical theatre songs at the top of my voice. Goodness knows what Shazlett thinks her mum is up to .
Have a good day all.
Hello all. Hope you are having lovely weekends! We've seen lots of our family (and inflicted the scan DVD on them), which was nice, but I now have a horribly headache and nausea, so have returned to my bed.
shazz I know the money panics well.. DH's contract is only until jan or mar next year, which keeps making me feel rather stressed! His work want to renew it and hopefully this will happen, but it is frightening. I'm v impressed at all your exercise. I wanted to go to pregnancy yoga, but am still too nauseous and tired. I may try one of the DVDs instead...
mariana I may well check out the ML Techno. Sounds ace. Hope your day trip went well yesterday.
Hi ceara. I was soooo nervous before my 12 week scan and no doubt will be in the run up to my 21 week one. My one comfort at the mo is my growing tummy, although this may well be due to all the cake I'm eating!
buzz a tight handhold. It is all so hard. Hope you are doing ok. Do you have a scan this week?
I too am eating like a horse, mostly to stave off the nausea. I have stopped weighing myself... As long as the baby is ok, I don't really care how fat I get! And I am enjoying having some boobs for the first time in my life
please may they stay post-baby
keep and expat phew at the heat where you live! I find I'm too hot a lot of the time anyway and couldn't cope with scorchio weather at the mo.
fairy I like the fumes excuse for lack of DIY. It's an excuse I may well steal!
Waves to everyone else.
I went on a clothes shopping mission on Friday afternoon and now finally have some stuff that fits me, yay! I've tried the eBay route, but nothing seems to fit that I manage to buy and some stuff isn't that much cheaper. Red Herring has 25% of its maternity stuff at the mo. For those of you in souf London, the Clapham Debenhams has a small range in store, and there's lots online too. I now have to stop buying stuff for myself and get saving for the post 21 weeks scan baby splurge...
Buzzy, hand holding from me too. For what it's worth I mc while on massive amounts of prog and it didn't stop me bleeding at all. Roll on Wednesday.
Mariana, I quite like the look of the ML. Do you think it would cope with a very cobbly town? I was considering just having a sling and a car seat for the first few months seeing that we'll either be driving, taking public transport or walking through the woods etc. Then I'd spend the money on a good buggy. Do you think that's a mad idea?
Shazza, your hives sound miserable. It must be horrible in the heat. I am prone to excema and very itchy dry skin so have a tiny bit of an insight into what you have to cope with. Is your allergy diet having any effect? It always comes down to money. We only get 15 weeks in Belgium so I will use some other leave to take it to 6 months but then I have to go back to work. I'm already getting weepy about it but that's the way it is.
Hi Noks. I would have liked morning sickness too. It would have made me feel properly pregnant.
I am wasting hours watching my belly jump. Am so in love with this bouncy baby.
Gin, it's alway fab to have a good shop.
Dildals, I hope all is okay.
Expat The allergy diet isn't working at the moment. Have you ever tried anything for eczema? Skin problems are pretty miserable aren't they? The only thing that I haven't cut out that I'm supposed to is fish but because I'm already veggie and dairy free, I'm worried to do that with the baby. I'll just keep trying until I hit upon something. I feel for you with the maternity leave. I'm also feeling emotional already at the thought of having to go back because of money. Who knows, maybe we will be running screaming from the house by then anyway! I'm so envious of your bouncing baby. I haven't felt anything yet and I'm dying to. Mainly to be reassured that it is still in there. But I think that it will help me bond with it abit. Things are very quiet down there at the moment. I'm also hoping to go fully sling at first. But I think we need a pram for DP and also my parents.
Gin Well done on the shopping expedition and the top tip re sales. I'm actually re-ebaying my 2 mistake buys at the moment. 2 pairs of jeans that just didn't fit. Yesterday I got another dress and a top. I agree that somethings go for not much cheaper. Maybe it is the thrill of the auction. I give myself a top limit on every item and don't go over. I lose most things but I've picked up a couple of bargains. I also want to wait now until after the 20 week scan and also when I'm abit bigger. I just don't know what I'm going to need. When is your scan? Have you felt anything yet? Sorry you are feeling sick. That sucks.
How is everyone else feeling today? I hope that you have had a good day. DP is at the studio again so I've got some time to myself. I'm having a gluten free fish finger sandwich for my tea and I can't wait. I found the gluten free fish fingers in Sainsburys and I was so excited!
How is it Sunday already? I swear this weekend was put on fast forwards or something...!
Welcome to ceara - I know that feeling all too well of being over the moon and terrified to be over the moon all at the same time! I think everyone on here does! Take it one day at a time and one scan at a time. That's what I did to 12 weeks and now it seems to be getting easier.
buzzy I hope you are OK today. Thinking of you.
keep and shazza I feel very admiring of you two and your workouts. I've got an exercise bike which I've been sporadically using and two unopened DVDs (pilates and yoga) by the TV. I really need to use them!
shazz sorry to hear about maternity leave worries. It is stressful thinking about it. Our work policy was also worse than I thought. At least you don't have to make a final decision for ages though right?
mariana I hope you enjoyed your day out in the countryside!
Thanks for the Debenhams tip gin and glad you've got yourself sorted! I've now vowed not to buy any more maternity wear until the autumn at least - what with my second hand haul, Isabella Oliver online splurge and recent Gap haul (it was 30% off this weekend) I'm pretty well kitted out! I too am eating like a horse - but I can't use the nausea excuse! I guess I'm just a greedy cow
Expat I love the idea of your bouncing belly!
Waves to everybody else.
Had a very chilled weekend here - DH is away so went for a pregnancy massage yesterday and lunch with a friend today. Also watched two great movies on the Sky box - ' I give it a year' (genius) and 'The Impossible' (the one about the tsunami). Now just contemplating what to have for my tea. My head says soup, my heart says cheese on toast. Wonder what's going to win
Cheese! (How I miss cheese on this dairy free diet! Shaz, there mustn't be much left you can eat.)
I'm not sure about cobbles expat, logic would say the bigger the wheels the better and maclarens don't have huge ones. I'd have a look at other people pushing prams over the cobbles and see what happens. (Lovely bouncing belly too, any freakish elbows / knees sticking out yet?)
Oh and try Aveeno cream for eczema. It's brilliant.
shazza I sympathise re money worries. DH went freelance just before I found out I was pg w DS and we were already broke because I had been re-training. I only got statutory maternity pay and we could barely pay the rent. Luckily there was loads and loads of free baby stuff on freecycle and my parents bought us a pushchair. DS slept in a free second hand moses basket until he was about 8 months; we had a TINY one bedroom flat. It was all fine though in the end but very stressful.
gin and mrshy I sympathise re increased appetite. I weighed myself yesterday and I've gained 1 stone 4lb at week 22! I didnt' think I had been eating that much and have really not been at the ice cream or chocolate but I am trying to tell myself it's because I have a large bump already and not panic. I hated losing the baby weight with DS, it took me over a year.
I have been feeling a lot of wiggles but not a bouncing bump yet, expat. I am really looking forward to that bit.
mariana the bumpology book looks at whether eliminating foods like dairy from the mother's diet made any difference to colic and crying and there was no evidence it did. I can't remember the details and you may want to do it anyway but I thought I would mention it.
I've had a fun but very tiring weekend with friends over for Sunday lunch. Not looking forward to work, it's very full on at the moment.
Hi to everyone else!
thanks ladies I do appreciate your support
expat my miscarriages were missed miscarriages so needed intervention
spotting and little symptoms, we shall see on Wednesday
buzzy some people spot the whole time due to cervical erosion. If your scan is ok you could ask for a visual exam of your cervix to rule that out. I had it in one pregnancy and it made me feel better to know where the spotting was coming from.
fairy, thanks. I know it's tenuous but I'm trapped now as every time she has a bad attack I think it's because I had a bit of milk in tea in a cafe! I don't really miss milk and therefore it's not too onerous for now, although I'm probably going to go back to reduced dairy at 12 weeks. It seemed from the reading I did that there was a potential connection with cows milk protein, caffeine and citrus, that is suggested by research evidence, although certainly not proven beyond doubt. I have a niece who had a severe cows milk protein allergy, I have a seafood allergy and my sister has a peanut allergy so there's a family history too.
Freecycle is great, I'd be putting stuff on there if I didn't have a conveniently pregnant cousin in need of stuff.
I'm impressed by all the exercising going on too, I will start something in a month or two.
MrsH sounds like you had a lovely weekend with the massage and films. Re exercise once you get into a routine with the DVDs it's not too bad. Bearing in mind that my idea of exercise pre pregnancy was a spin round the ballroom once a week. Which DVDs did you get? Do they have short workouts as well? I find short bursts easier to cope with. Sounds like you are sorted re mat wear. I keep worrying I don't have enough for the summer. But when is it ever really hot for any extended period?
Mariana I also miss cheese on toast. The diet isn't too bad once you get used to it. I just have to be creative. But I also feel trapped by it now so i Understand how you feel there. It's not working but I feel unable to give it up just in case. Hope you had a good day yesterday.
Fairy thanks for the reassurance. Sounds like you had a similar experience with DS. I know we will find a way to cope in the short term. I can't see a way out of the trap of life being expensive and needing to work. Im desperate to move out of London in the hope life will be cheaper and less stressful. But maybe it's the same everywhere and I'm just kidding myself. Re weight gain. I got scales over the weekend and also got abit of a shock. Obviously we are supposed to be gaining weight but I haven't owned scales for 20 years after having ishoos like many teenage girls. Seeing the numbers rising brings back memories of that so I'm having to not panic and keep noting that it will rise steadily. When did your wiggles start? I'm 17+5 and haven't felt anything.
Buzzy I'm sorry about the spotting. Only 2 more sleeps til your scan. Everything crossed for you.
Hello to everyone else.
I soooo don't want to go to work today. I'm telling myself that I'm doing it for shazlett so that I can save and we can be together for longer when she is here.
Slept really badly. Keep how are you getting on with your cushion? Are you sleeping better?
shazza i was feeling a bit of wiggling at 17 weeks but you feel it earlier with your second baby because your abdominal wall is thinner and you know what it feels like. It was very occasional though, not really definite until 20 weeks.
I understand the weight gain shock. To be honest, after I stepped on the scales I immediately started telling myself - must cut out cheese, no bread, etc all the usual self-berating and restricting I pledge and then fail to do when I am feeling overweight. But it's even less sensible and feasible when pregnant. With DS I stopped weighing myself once I had gained 2 stone and didn't weigh myself again until 2 weeks after giving birth. So I really don't know how much I put on in total but it didn't feel like that much after that point. There really is no point in weighing yourself a lot when pregnant and it only torments you if you are that way inclined. In my case it was not helped by my mother telling me (in a well meaning way, she was trying to reassure me) that she lost her baby weight with each of her children within 6 months no problem. I didn't and felt worse because I had hoped to be like her. It really is an individual thing. Just try to tell yourself that it is mostly baby plus the necessary to support and feed her once she's born.
buzzy a lot of us on this thread have had spotting, I did at 16 weeks, which freaked me out because I thought I was beyond the stage where it would just happen for no reason. The midwife I spoke to said that spotting happens for many many reasons and it can relate to something that happened weeks before.
I haven't been as active posting lately, so thought I'd check in. Nothing the matter. Just getting a bit fed up with talking about babies/pregnancies and twins the whole time (not with you personally of course, but just generally, with everyone). It was starting to stress me out a bit, looking at my list of things I need to get/do. I was starting to feel like this was taking over my life, which of course it is, but still, I needed to step back a little to gain some sense of perspective ... if that makes sense?
keep I think you mentioned Tracy Anderson. I am still on the Tracy bandwagon, graduated to Month Five. It is somewhat repetitive but I do feel like I am actually 'doing' something! I also found her post-preggo work out on the Youtubes. I can't find the link now, but if you search it on YT you'll find it. Saves a bit of money. It's quite full on though from what I've seen.
I also saw some comments on weight gain? I put on a stone now, but this is in the 'expected' range for twins. Well. According to tinterweb. I hope I haven't been looking on some American site for that advice!
My wriggling started at about wk 18-19. At wk 21 I could feel little kicks, like elastic bands being popped against your inside. I am pretty sure one has now turned around, because I can feel one kicking at the bottom of my belly. My husband still hasn't been able to feel any of the kicks. As soon as he puts his hand on, they stop! They tend to be most active early morning, when I just wake up. It still takes me by surprise sometimes, these random acts of activeness. God knows what they get up to in there.
I got an email over the weekend from one the twin pregnant ladies that I know (well, know of). She has DCDA twins like me and hers have come out now at 31wks4days. There were no emergency cots available at King's so they did a proper ambulance drive to St Peter's in Chertsey (of all places). They weigh 1.5 and 1.14 kgs. Oh my fucking god. (Surely it is OK to swear in this case) That is so incredibly small. So now I am shitting myself of course that this will happen to us. Horrible.
On prams. We bought the Out n About double pram. And am going to the New Nearly Sale on Sunday morning at JAGS in Dulwich. Hopefully some good stuff. Otherwise I end up driving around SE London every evening to pick up a £5 baby gym etc etc!
Right. Off to do a spinning class. See if I can still hoist my belly on the bike! (Oh, I got lots of comments this weekend in shops 'oh when's baby due?' with an undertone of ... surely it is imminent! :-)
Oh, and I didn't get any advice on doubling up on folic acid. I am seeing the consultant for the first time on Wed so I can ask? I am toying with the idea of requesting a home birth, just to scare the shit out of them (and securing a midwife for me myself and I, rather than having to shell out for a doula/leave it to whomever is on duty at King's that day - one can always chose to transfer to hospital to a later date!)
Would they allow a home birth for twins dildals? I guess they can't stop you. If so, that sounds like a
I bet you £100 they will blanch at the request and then forbid it outright!
Fairy I know what you mean about the food pledges. But I'm making a huge effort not to regress by 20 years. You are absolutely right. This is all for the baby.
Dildals lovely to hear you are ok. Sorry you have been feeling stressed. I hope you feel better. It sounds like you have been getting organised with the pram and nearly new sale. That's a good idea. I'm going to check out NCT and see if there is anything in our area.
I'm so envious of the kicks and wiggles. I keep trying to concentrate to see if I feel anything but nothing yet. I guess I've got another couple if weeks to go.
Posting in haste as about to go into an important meeting, but got the shock of my life earlier. Sorry for the details (but if I can't share with you, who can I share with). I went for a poo and when I wiped there was a lot of bright red blood. So I looked down in the bowl and it was very bloody. I promptly felt very sick until I wiped some more and established it was definitely coming from the back, not the front. I had this once before, when I worked out I was allergic to ibuprofen, but no idea why it's happening now. I phoned my MW and she has asked me to see the GP if it happens again. I then turned to Dr Google and self diagnosed with haemmarhoids (spelling completely wrong, sorry) or anal fissures. Oh the joy.
Really hope nobody is reading this and eating at the same time.. X
Shazz there is an NCT sale near us on the 29th of June, but we're on holiday then. And the twin club Nearly New Sale is in Sept! How not useful is that!
MrsH, when you've had your legs akimbo countless times for fertility treatments/scans/rummages, there is no such thing as tmi.
MrsHY1 you are right, if you can't share it here, where can you! Your google diagnosis sounds grand ... the joys of pregnancy ... hopefully the GP can put your mind at rest.
mariana my consultant has volunteered in Ethiopia in a maternity hospital so I have a feeling she might be quite down to earth!
Did everyone see that the Harmony test is being trialed in King's and another hospital with a view of providing it on the NHS! Bring it on!
mrshy that's a relief! I'm not ashamed to admit that I have had an anal fissure myself (brought on by being too stressed and not 'taking my time' in the loo (the toddler banging on the door had something to do with it too) ). It healed with some magic cream from the GP but I also had to be very careful not to get constipated. I have been taking magnesium supplements plus prunes since getting pg and that has worked really well.
Just popping in quickly to say mrshy I had something similar a few weeks ago. Well there wasn't loads of blood, more like a few spots and I stressed massively until I realised it wasn't from the baby hole, but rather the result of nasty scratchy work bog roll/piles! I found anusol (great name eh?), clears it up quickly.
Whilst on the subject of dodgy body parts, I'm on my way to the dentists as my wisdom tooth is playing up. I've heard of some connection between MC and dental infections, so thought I'd better get it checked out. Just have to remember not to take my pants off when ushered onto the leather chair in this clinic!
To add to stressy poo moments I freaked until I remembered I'd eaten a ton of beetroot.
Hope everyone is well. I saw that about the harmony test - great news.
What is DCDA?
I was in the original trial for Harmony (twice!) as I was having a CVS. I thought anything that might allow higher risk women to avoid CVS and amnio would be an amazing development.
<polishes Altruistic Badge>
Dildals I hope that doesn't mean she will expect too much from you!
I've never had eating issues really. I never weighed myself when pregnant but mainly just ate what I fancied but took care to get 5 a day and my diet is generally healthy. I put on exactly two stone and I've retained one stone post natally that I think I'll lose without much effort over the next few months.
Eek at the scary blood MrsHY. I have damage from DD1's emergency forceps delivery so have to never get constipated. Lactulose, magnesium, water, fruit, All Bran and vegetables all help.
dildals I can imagine it does get all a bit much, I go in to work and everyday a very kind colleague asks if things are still ok, would be nice if she asked how my weekend is I haven't got out the first trimester yet, impressed with exercise regime you have going, DH said this weekend, have you gained all the weight you lost this year I said not fecking yet but I'll make a big effort this week to do so
mrsh the same happened to me, not lots of blood, perhaps I am a bit too forceful with old arse bullets, never TMI
well speaking of poo my cat is having a funny five which means she needs to have one
expat DCDA is the type of twins that have their own sac and own placenta. The 'safest' type of twins.
Now that we are on TMI topics anyway. Sex in pregnancy. Absolutely loving it. All vital parts involved in sex are so sensitive and, well, enlarged, I am ready for action in no time. And done in no time too TBH. If only I wasn't so tired!
Hi all. Seems we've all had a bit of a week. I get exactly what you mean dildals and buzzy, thanks to some loose lips at work almost everyone know and I'd much rather not talk about it all day, work is supposed to be my distraction frm mentalling!
All ok here but went to see my old consultant last week...scan was fine at10weeks now...consuktant was same one fro foetal care that looked after us when we lost dd during my last pg. she did a big cats bum face when she realised we were having twins (in her words) 'again?!'. Tried to explain that IVF clinic told us to out both back in as due to previous cycles failing and the poor quality of one of the embryos it was highly unlikely that both would implant. Hmm. She was quite nice, but just really stressed me out as was very 'realistic' and said things about not planning past 16 weeks/see how we go/at higher risk etc. which we knew, but it is difficult to be told. DH and I are trying to be positive...there's not a great deal we can do now other than taking care of me but I felt really down and as though I should stop looking forward and be a bit more cautious. Felt as though we'd been irresponsible in having 2 replaced despite asking that very question at the clinic. So the promptly stopped thinking/discussing/getting excited about any pregnancy type thing.
She did say itwasnt a huge risk, but as usual I focused on the negatives, typical!
So apologies for the absence, I have been stalking you all from afar though...
buzzy so pleased you saw a heartbeat. Hope weds goes well. dH scans in his job (hearts, not bambinos!) and says early on it is v difficult to get an accurate measurement so hope things work out well as things progress.
mariana I am in awe, you seem to have it all sussed and are a fountain of knowledge! You should write a book for ivf mentallers!
mrsHY that must have been terrifying for a moment! Motherhood brings all kinds of loveliness, doesn't it!
expat v jealous of your bouncing belly, dd1 used to flip all over the place when I had a bath and at 3in the morning. My belly used to look like a light switch flicking on and off. Now she is here she loves baths....and has only just started sleeping through, so I hope the bouncing belly is quiet at night for you!
shazza you seem to have loads of stuff in your area! Is this a London thing do you think? I live out in the sticks (literally...we have a gymkhana every other Sunday and everyone here plays cricket instead of football) and there is nothing! No NCT classes for miles and hardly any groups at all except for sure start stuff which I didn't like last time.
crisps I think its out of line for people to pass comment on you having 2 put back, Its quite common in IVF its not like you put 3-4 back, my sonographer new a nurse who had 5 put back, now that I would raise an eyebrow at. People need to respect that this was your decision and you looked at all the scenarios possible. Yes there are risks with twins but then I'd say there are risks full stop in pregnancy I'd love to be having twins myself, don't let these people put a dampener on what should be a happy time for you
Crisps, I agree, there are risks regardless and I don't think you'd be significantly less worried if there were only one in there.
Dildals - you're the opposite of me. I have never felt less sexy than during pregnancy / breastfeeding. It's like it's just switched off. Poor old DH.
I am a mine of often entirely useless information. I could probably have achieved greatness if my head wasn't full of rubbish!
Every pregnancy is a risk. At least, crisps, they know there is a risk so you'll be getting the extra care you need. Don't let it put a downer on it all. It's still exciting - you're having TWINS!! Gymkhanas bring back happy memories of my childhood. I'd love to live somewhere like that. I've started to feel lots of movement when I go to bed so I hope it's not true that they start to estabish their sleeping patterns at this stage!!
Shazza, my excema is no way near as bad as your hives and I don't have any at the moment. I had it badly when I was younger especially when stressed but I've learnt to never scratch, be careful with dairy and splurge a huge amount on creams.
crisps I had 2 put back as well but only one stuck. I never had any bleeding early on so I imagine the other stopped developing very very soon after ET. I don't think it's irresponsible of you at all given the odds of IVF succeeding. I think I remember you said that losing your twin before at that stage was very very rare so is having twins again really increasing a real risk? Or just increasing an incredibly low risk? Say the risk of the first loss was .001%, even if you are doubling your risk the second time round it still is only .002%. Sorry if this doesn't make sense, I just don't want you to get too worried because your consultant was being 'realistic'.
I totally get it fairy. At this stage risk is 3%, dropping to 1% next week...so even if I am double the risk which the consultant says I am not, it would only be6% dropping to 2%. Good point well made!
expat and buzzy and mariana the oracle you are so right.
Thanks so much ladies. You always know what to say. Wish I had talked to y'all first now instead of having a shitty week <idiot>. Think I will always wonder what if we had only put one back, but we had no more money for more cycles and if it hadn't been successful we would have wished that we had put two back.
I still make myself add a name to my baby names list when I stress out...so it is a now a very long list!
Crisps I'm sorry that you are feeling bad and worried. It's natural to be extra worried after all you have been through. I agree with the rest of the girls, you are having twins and that is so exciting. For what it is worth I would definitely have put back at least 2 embies had I got that far. I don't think you are irresponsible, I think that you are thinking of your littles ones and making sure that you get the care that you need. Also it is a shame that someone has gossiped at work and you feel pressure there. A Gymkhana sounds like fun. I head the clip clop of a horse down our street the other day. We live in Streatham, there are no horses. And when I went to look it was the rag and bone man!
Expat Its good that you didn't scratch. I try so hard not to but it is almost impossible. They thought that mine was caused by the stress of TTC but unfortunately that doesn't seem to have been the case. I was reading today that the babies are active when we relax and are still because when we are moving around during the day they are lulled to sleep. So cute.
Mariana I'm afraid that I'm with you re sex. It is getting better but I still don't feel like I did before and that makes me really sad.
Buzzy Your colleague is trying to help and probably doesn't know what to say but unfortunately she is trying abit to hard. I didn't start any exercise until a few weeks ago so don't worry about that. During the first few months there was just too much going on to worry about that as well.
Dildals Great news about the Harmony test. have you met the genius Professor yet :-) I reckon I'm going to go and check out the Nearly new sale on the 29th, thanks for the tip off. Where are you going on holiday? What is your due date? I guess September is too close to risk waiting?
Gin I laughed at the possibility of you taking your pants off at the dentist!
MrsH oh my goodness at your shock! I would have freaked out. But I fear that the way my insides are going during this pregnancy, I could very much end up with a similar experience. Has the bleeding stopped now? I'm unsure about the cream cure. I assume that you wipe it on the outside? Or are we back to bum bullets?
Huge hello and night night to everyone. x
crisps and others with twins - people don't understand the risks, choices and decisions we have to make when we do ivf. You made the best choice on the evidence you had. And twins! It's exciting!! Congratulations on a good ten week scan - you get safer every day.
Omg Mrs that sounds both scary and horrible, poor you...
I have excema on my hand, would usually just put on some steroid cream and it'd be gone in two days, hut its being a bugger. shaz poor you on the hives. I'm still trying with the cushion for sleeping, am maybe a little better, but still usually on my tummy. Sometimes I have no bump whatsoever, others its quite big, so I think its just good.
expat I think you've passed 28 weeks? Yay! Well done you.
dildals what a shock for your friend. How are the twins? That is v small. But unusual to be born that early, right? I thought I heard 36 weeks ac for twins. One week at a time...
To weigh in, I'm with dildals on pregnancy sex. Awesome.
will we be disappointed with non preggo sex now..
I just looked at some mat clothes, but they're made for big bumps, hey! Not for me yet. I did tear up, and linger, in the baby clothes but though, but we've not bought anything yet...
I love baby clothes. I've already had to pack away some newborn stuff as the ever increasing Trenchlet has outgrown it.
Shaz, all I can say about the sex is it does get back to normal after pregnancy / breastfeeding which I know seems like a long time for it to be not optimal, but in the whole scheme of things isn't that long. You might not be as bad as me either, you might just be having an off few weeks.
If 90% of people have completely problem free experiences of pregnancy, it's no wonder those of us that don't get all these comments, judgements and misunderstandings. One just has to learn to grit one's teeth.
Keep 50% of twins are before wk 37. The hospital tends to induce in wk 38. This is all for DCDA twins. The other, more high risk ones, are delivered earlier.
Hi keep have you looked at under the bump or half bump jeans/trousers? I also didn't fill the full on bump ones but the Jo Jo maman bebe ones that I'm sporting as I type are so comfy and I've got plenty of room for growth.
Actually ladies I need abit of advice please. I had abit of a thing with my mum last night after she said that my brother and i should should stop reading books and just get on with it. She said that in her day they got pregnant, had a baby and got on with it. I can see that she has a point and I know I'm worrying alot but I think that it is important to be informed don't you? Also the older generation bang on about their day but things have changed so much. I tried to kindly tell my mum that there is loads of research and information now and that we are trying to learn and do the best we can. I bit my tongue and refrained from pointing out that they may well have got on with it but I spent 10 years on anti depressants and another 10 in therapy and I'd like to try to learn from their 'getting on with it'. Now I'm worried that when the baby comes she and I are going up come to blows. She is great and very supportive but highly strung and extremely easily offended. Anyone got any experience of dealing with 'advice' from mothers or worse MILs?
Thanks. Shazza xx
Oh shaz I bet she fretted too, just doesn't remember it... Why not just keep your research and worrying a bit more under wraps, none of her beeswax what you do anyway. Am slightly worried I'll have issues with mil (she has no daughters) once baby's born, but so far so good. We do live several 000 miles away though...
I've not seen any of those types here, and international postage is expensive. I think I'll manage with my skirts and the Luke for six weeks.
When's your scan shaz? Eek.
Regarding mothers, mine is generally great (these days) but we do have differing opinions over child rearing. I tend to just say 'Well it's all different now as they've done a lot more research in the last 40 years'. Luckily I have worked in child health (and even specifically in parenting) so she does accept I do have some knowledge. Also I get on far better with my mum since becoming a mum myself, you might find that happens too shaz. I'm much more forgiving of what I might once have considered her failings, but still try to learn from them myself.
My 93 year old grandma is a different matter. She doesn't believe in breast feeding and makes comments about it at any opportunity. I just let these go, I'm not fighting with her!
Thanks Mariana and keep. I think im just feeling a bit low today so am more sensitive than usual
Keep my 20 Weeker is 4 July. What about you? I'm trying to ward off a major fret about it. I was thinking that it would be fun to see the baby and was looking forward to it and totally hadn't considered that there would be more checking and the possibility of bad news if something is wrong.
Half hour ago someone else at work said my bump is tiny for 18 weeks. I think she meant it as a compliment strangely but of course I'm now worried that shazlett hasn't developed. There I was thinking that my bump was bigger today. Maybe it was the rice I had for tea last night.
How is everyone else today? Is it only buzzy with a scan this week? How are you doing Buzz?
Here I am with my stats again but it's useful to know. The 20 week scan is a scan for anomalies so it is bound to be potentially nerve wracking. However, 90% of scans show the baby to be ok. Of the ten percent that aren't about half of these anomalies are caused by the more common chromosomal disorders like Down Syndrome (which you've already tested for). So, the chances of any anomoly being detected, even a minor one, are about 5%. Or looking at it the other way it is 95% likely that everything will be fine. That's better than your odds for the Harmony so the chances everything will be ok are very good indeed. (This is what my consultant told me.) Take heart!
Ignore what people say about bump size. It's meaningless, in an hour someone else (with equally as little expertise) will probably tell you how massive you are!
I'm currently feeding Trenchlet in the back seat of my car in a retail park as she won't stop crying while I'm trying to buy Fathers Day cards, birthday presents etc. Now wishing I'd held off until a cafe as she's taking forever and I could at least be eating cake.
Thanks Mariana I love your stats! 95% is good odds and everything had been on so far so fingers crossed it will be ok. I looked at the photo of the girl in my book at 18 weeks and her bump seems to be the same as mine (ish).
I hope trenchlet enjoyed her snack! X
shaz don't worry about the 20 wk scan, they do check all sorts, but it is fascinating to see the different heart chambers (I got a running narrative by the consultant because he was training someone up), Shazlett's little upper lip, and, the highlight, little feet.
One of my friends told me to stop reading too. But I have the type of personality where I feel much more relaxed if I feel informed. If you are also that type then carry on reading! Having said that, as I mentioned yesterday, I did get overwhelmed with all the information out there. It is easy to feel snowed under with all the reading you 'need to do' before Shazlett arrives. If this happens, I suggest to step away from the books/internet!
On bumps - it is so incredibly personal on how bumps develop. Some people hardly show, some people immediately clap out. Some develop hips and bum to match the bump, some people only grow out. There's really no telling. The lady that I inherited the Asos jeans from has a bit of an eating disorder, it sometimes seems she only eats green apples ... she didn't grow much of a bump and did Military Fitness to quite far in to pregnancy (she went to the gym the morning of her ELCS!) and she delivered a healthy weight baby girl. So I wouldn't be too worried Shazz!
The skin and muscles around my bump feels so tight sometimes, like it is really stretching out. Makes me wonder how in heaven's name it will stretch back to normal again.
I went to see physio today. Turns out I have a bit of a locked SI joint. Something that was an issue prior to pregnancy. Because all the other bits are relaxing this joint was causing an issue with not joining in on the fun. Luckily it seems to be fairly easy to resolve. Pfew. She was absolutely mesmerised by my belly, she kept staring at it!
On another, money saving, note - I managed to stumble across someone who is selling their Out n About twin buggy. They've only used it a couple of times and are selling it because it doesn't fit in their car. So I am going to check it out and potentially pick it up for £150. Also buying a double breast pump (sterilised) for £45. To buy one costs about £120 and to rent is about £30 a month. So makes sense.
Mine's the 13th shaz... Am trying not to think about it and just enjoy the moment.
buzzy huge luck for tomorrow.
Great bargain hunting skills dildals! I'm glad your problem is easy to resolve. That's funny about your physio staring at your bump are rukas and chaos visibly jumping around now?
I can't believe your friends extreme fitness regime. It is amazing how every bump is different isn't it?
Keep you are only a few days behind me. Budge up, I will join you on the staying positive bus. I'm going to try to limit my appts with dr google.
Good luck for tomorrow buzz. I'll be tuning in for news. X
shazza you just need to remind her that this is y'our baby' in 'your tim' and this is how things are in 'these day' I'd also say that right now you just need to know that you are supported. Its your life and your baby, nothing wrong with being informed
I am lucky that
A/ my mother lives on the other side of the world
B/ that we haven't spoken for years, I would struggle to keep quiet about her poor parenting skills
dildals your are the bargain queen you shall inspire me to find things cheaper when/if it get to that stage
thanks my scan is in the morning, I'm struggling with the sickness, its lasts from around 7.30 in the morning until about now, its worse during work hours i'm seeing my GP tomorrow, last time she gave me buccastem but they made feel worse
Just popping in quickly to say good luck tomoz buzz - will be thinking of you.
Waves to everyone else
Good luck buzzy, will be thinking of you.
GUESS who I just bought my double breast pump from!? The author of Bumpology, Linda Geddes ! I have a celebrity breast pump! :-)
The buggy I bought from a girl that I thought was one of the daughters when she opened the door ... nah, she was a mum of two ... serves me right! She was a bit worried I was going to bargain her down, but couldn't bring myself to take money from such a young 'un!
Haha at your celebrity breast pump! How did you find out? Did you tell her you liked her work and had been recommending it to others?
thank you gin and mariana I will hopefully feel reassured at the end of it
Good luck tomorrow buzzy. Really hope everything goes well...give yourself the afternoon off stressing to celebrate!
dildals I don't know if that is brilliant or slightly disgusting?! Awesome though.
Crisps The breast pump is fully sterilised so am happy with that.
Mariana We started talking about pregnancy books and then she mentioned that she'd written a book.
dildals that's hilarious! She must have had twins? Presumably she did all the research and its definitely the best. Is it electric!
buzzy good luck tomorrow!
Back late from a work do in London but feel too wound up to go right to sleep and DH has dared to leave a half finished bottle of Sauvignon blanc in the fridge. I think a small glass for medicinal purposes is justified...
Good luck today buzzy. Have you considered acupuncture for the sickness? Also those sea sickness bands are supposed to help and they aren't too expensive. You might look like you are training for Wimbledon though with sweatbands on.
Dildals that is brilliant! I must read this bumpology book you are all raving about. Especially as I now practically know the writer by means of degrees of separation
Fairy you cheeky thing with your little tipple. A lady at work told me that she had the odd glass while she was preggers. And when she first went to her NCT social she was wondering whether to take a bottle of wine and what the host might think of that. When she got there the host opened the door with a glass of red in one hand and a cigarette in the other. Apparently she was French!
I've got terrible constipation this morning (TMI). I've had to get on the bus anyway. I couldn't do any more coaxing and I didn't want to have a MrsH experience. on the up side it had made my bump huge!
Nice Poo-bump shaz.....
buzz I'm glad the sickness is back, hope its reassuring. Good luck x
shazza I have somme of those bands I just keep forgetting them, not sure what i'd say to the patients well after doom and gloom chat with MW the scan showed a baby and heartbeat at this stage, feel reassured for now just hope it lasts
Oh yay buzzy!!! That's awesome. How many weeks are you? Try and relax now
Brilliant Buzzy! Stop with the doom and gloom! Yay!!!!
Excellent Buzzy, now try to give yourself a couple of days off fretting.
Buzzy that is amazing news. I'm so happy for you. How exciting. X
Hooray buzz! I was thinking about you today and hoping all was well. The stats say once you have a heartbeat everything is 95%ok...97% by week 10 and 99% by week 12, so good going! Hope you can have a bit of a chill now and feel a bit more relaxed
do as I say not as I do
I had some of the bands but can't say they did much. I have found was 8-9-10 the hardest, although I've been slightly better the last couple of days <tries not to get stressed about less symptoms>. Hopefully we'll be like those textbooks ladies that stop being sick and get all glowy and motherly at the dot of 12 weeks.
no fucking chance in my case
Yay that's fab news buzz and I'm pleased to hear that you are feeling a bit reassured. I am beginning to mental again - most of my work colleagues now know and look at my like I'm mad when I say, well hopefully I'll go on maternity leave, fingers crossed it'll be born in dec etc etc. As one pointed out, my bump is now so big there's def something in there! Like you shazz I think today it is particularly big due to iron bowel issues..
Ha ha ha didals at the celeb pump! What a coincidence. I really enjoyed her columns and plan to download her book for my hols. Another great didals tip!
crisps I too found week 10 the worst MS wise. It was constant that week, whereas now I have some largely ok days, with nausea just in the evenings and/or first thing and then the terrible days. The bands didn't help unfortunately, but I got some druks from the dr to get me through the day at work. I was so pissed off that it didn't all disappear at 12 weeks!
I'm 18 weeks today and still waiting for the mother glow to start. What with spots, constipation and trapped wind I don't feel very glowy. I do have nice hair and long nails though! So many people commented on my expanded bump today. I can't win. I didnt tell them it was backed up poo though!
thanks ladies but I have miscarried at just over 10 weeks so the stats don't offer me comfort, I don't think I'll relax until i'm actually holding a live baby, they did discuss my gas issue again I have to remind them that I am on alot of progesterone, it looks like a big storm cloud on the scan, I also saw my lovely GP who is so very supportive, she has IVF twins herself
gin I am sick from morning till I go to bed GP gave me some cyclizine, Aussie at work told me to put a plaster over my belly button I did think he was taking the piss but at the time it did help a bit, the MS doesn't seem to disappear, I also have bad heartburn, GP advised a few days off work to recharge so might do that next week
shazza are yo telling me the 2nd trimester glow doesn't exist I can't keep farting like this at 18 weeks, i will have gassed half the country
keep I am only 7w2d, although I feel I should be into the 2nd trimester by now as it feels like its been forever
Pregnancy makes time stand still.
Same here for worst MS week 9-10. Something must happen then.
No mother glow here either except thicker darker hair. It started falling out as soon as I had her though and now is going lighter. Bizarre.
We had a colic free evening and my god the difference. I sat reading an actual book with her asleep on my lap.
Mariana that's great. I hope the book was non pregnancy/parenting related!
Buzzy I'm afraid the farting has carried on for me. Possibly not quite as bad but maybe that's because most of it is trapped now! I'm also still burping although no where near as badly as around weeks 8-10. It was really bad then. Quite funny though. prunes were helping with the constipation but I'm not supposed to have them on this low histamine diet so even though I have masses of fruit and veg I still have problems.
I sympathise with you girls suffering from MS and thank heavens that I was lucky enough to escape. Although at the time I was massively fretting because I didn't have any.
The early weeks went so slowly for me but things have sped up abit. Except when you are waiting for a scan. Then time goes sooooo slowly.
Oh and buzzy definitely take some time off if you can. Even if you can't take long a few days might benefit you. And it's doctors orders
morning ladies, I am off today, due to waking up dry retching and a bit of a cold, I shall brace myself for the sickness to get worse then to be honest sometimes I fart with such force I almost propel myself forward
Oh buzz I'm sorry for laughing but im picturing a turbo boosted pregnant lady
Darn it, sent before I'd finished. Sorry you aren't feeling well. tea and toast and some sofa action with Philip and holly sounds like the order of the day for you. Look after yourself. X
Darn it, sent before I'd finished. Sorry you aren't feeling well. tea and toast and some sofa action with Philip and holly sounds like the order of the day for you. Look after yourself. X
Darn it, sent before I'd finished. Sorry you aren't feeling well. tea and toast and some sofa action with Philip and holly sounds like the order of the day for you. Look after yourself. X
Blinking heck sorry for the triple post. Bloody app playing up. I'll stop now!
I am 16 weeks and def feel better, though not glowing. I am like shaz v lucky to have escaped morning sickness.
buzz I don't think there's been any time slower that 4-7 weeks for me. Then my dh said, ooh, you're 8 weeks already. I was like W. T. F!!! I know stats aren't always helpful, but time passing is... BTW my farting was much better since I came off the prigesterone at nine weeks. I was bum in the air each night for weeks!
al what weeks are you now? I'm dense, but think 28? Woo hoo!
If you end up having a section the farting reaches it's peak post delivery. And I managed to have horrendous trapped wind at the same time.
I'm afraid I was reading 'How to talk so kids will listen' as I'm fighting a losing battle with DD1 and I'm sick of shouting all the bloody time. I've never read a baby book but bloody hell do I need strategies with a three year old.
The last few weeks go deadly slowly too, especially the countdown to finishing work.
We have 8 week jabs and development check today, there will be screaming. Development checks have replaced scans in my life - I dread them finding something wrong. I suspect this anxiety never ends...
mariana that is what I thought, I will spend the whole pregnancy worrying then I'll have a little human to worry about I haven't thought about how i'm going to get babybee out of me yet
head in the sand for now
I am sure once I get to 12 weeks time will move at a better pace,
The farting got a lot better for me too after I stopped the bullets. I don't suffer with constipation either, lucky I guess. I think I do have what they call the glow, I have this ruddy look about me, not sure it is necessary a good look. The swollen ankles are starting though and the skin on my face is really dry. Apart from that I am not complaining.
buzzy one day at a time ...
I went to see the consultant yesterday. I had to wait an hr before I got seen, next time I take War and Peace in, just to make a point! I had a list of questions I rattled off and as usual I left slightly deflated, I guess because of the info overload or maybe just the magnitude of having to give birth to these babies, I am not sure. Anyway. I just thought I tell you what she told me, maybe of interest for the other twinnos? Good news first. They're happy to give you an ELCS with twins, even if twin 1 is head down, this is mainly in the light of the fact that vaginal delivery ends up with a 40% EMCS rate anyway (!). And of those 60% 30% has an assisted delivery. She told me that for twins 37 weeks is considered full term, so if they make it to 37 weeks then they shouldn't need any neonatal care, which is good. She did say that all ELCS get a steroid injection to mature the lungs of babies. I thought this only happened in preemies. She said that CS born babies often need a little help breathing afterwards because the fluid hasn't been pushed out of their lungs properly (due to the fact they haven't travelled down the birth canal) also they haven't encountered the prostaglandins in the birth canal, which apparently helps with lung function. Mariana did you have this steroid shot? From reading about it I get the impression that the steroid shot is not entirely uncontroversial. I told her I take low dose aspirin but that no one has prescribed that to me. She said that taking low dose aspirin is good practice, although there isnt sufficient strong randomised evidence available to show that it works. It is definitely not harmful. (NICE recommends taking low dose aspirin when carrying multiples, for who it is the first pregnancy, or over forty, or history of pre-eclampsia etc.) Apparently Kings is starting a trial soon to support the use of low dose aspirin so in five yrs time this may become a standard recommendation. She said low dose aspirin helped (or could help, I should probably say) prevent pre-eclampsia but also intra-uterine growth restriction, because it makes blood flow thru the placenta better. She recommended to stop in wk36. Oh, I also asked why they dont let you go longer with DCDA twins, she said that there is strong evidence the placentas start deteriorating after wk 38 in twins. So I am happy with that. I asked whether there was anything I could do to prevent premature labour. Answer was no. I also asked about doubling up on folic acid, she said no not necessary. I asked to get recorded in my notes to get some sweeps booked in in wk 37, she thought wk 36 was too early. She did say that it all depends really on how ready the cervix is at that time etc etc, so well have to play it by ear. My next appt with the consultant is in wk 32 so at that point we are going to get serious about birth. I think that was it!
Ah, I also asked her about how much weight I should gain. She said there were no UK guidelines, but there were US ones. She said 'oh I think about 8kgs' ... seriously woman ... singleton pregnancies even gain more than 8kgs, I have already gained 8kgs and it isn't as if I have gone kerrazy.
shazza I am quite curious to see what the bump looks like now!
Wow dildals that is a lot of info for you to absorb. Forewarned is forearmed! I thought singleton weight gain was 8-14kg or something like that. My bump is definitely bigger in the last couple of days. Still not sure if it is shazlett's growth spurt or something else. Shall we have another meet up to compare bumps? It's funny to think that I'm further on now than you and fairy were when we met before. Is anyone else up for a meet up? I wish we could take this show on the road to Bangkok via Belgium and the north of England!
How did the jabs go Mariana? Is that a good book? I saw it in the book shop the other day. Do you think it will be helpful? It must feel awful if you feel you are shouting the whole time. So upsetting for you and DD1. I hope you can find a way to make things work for you.
Keep on the whole I feel ok but I'm still pretty tired are you? I thought energy was supposed to come back at this point but I feel like I'm dragging my ever increasing butt around this week. Also I'm suddenly ravenous. Much more than previous weeks.
How is your day going buzz?
dildals that is alot of info but useful, even though I am not having twins [grins]
shazzawell I thought I would have a shower as I have to see my osteo later, I then had some more spotting, then headache and cramps, but not going to go freak out
well not just yet I have also eaten about 9 bits of bread with beans and cheese already today
Buzzy, I think parenting means a lifetime of anxiety. I find worrying about the children more 'normal' than my pregnancy worrying though.
Check up fine, thank god. She was very upset at the jabs but we're having a lazy afternoon of feeding and snoozing to compensate the poor mite.
Shazza, it's very American in tone and language but the overall message is good. I've used its techniques this morning and no shouting. Im also using a reward chart with her which she loves andI recommend it anyway.
dildals, the consultation sounds like it was pretty thorough. Do you feel that they are steering you into an ELCS? No steroids here as CS was at 39(1) so well into full term. Yes, CS babies are more mucousy but if they're also full term they can clear their own lungs. Trenchlet coughed a few times during her first few hours but that was all.
mariana consultation was thorough because I arrived with a page of questions! :-) I did raise home birth as well, and to be fair, she didn't bat an eyelid! I asked about ELCS myself. I wanted to get a feel on whether this would be something I would need to fight for or whether this is something they'd be happy to accomodate. She didn't steer me either way, it's too early anyway to make any bold decisions.
Hi girls. Had a boring day of training and am completely brain dead.
Just throwing this out in no particular order - re steroids, I had to stay in hosp while having them because they can cause contractions, especially with bigger uterus (ie full time twin belly). Never have heard of having them just for elcs but maybe it's protocol for twins because they are smaller? Studies are def showing that prog supps has big role in preventing prem labour but not shots with peanut oil because peanut oil provokes contractions.
I'll be 28 weeks on Saturday. tick tock tick tock.
We had a scan yesterday and all is good. Cervix 4.9cm - very happy with that.
Buzzy, I understand that you are reluctant to count your chickens and all that, but when you saw the heartbeat yesterday you fell in love and already have hopes and dreams for this baby even if you don't dare to voice them so please try to rejoice. You have no reason to think that history will repeat itself and if it does what will you have gained by being negative? You would still be devastated. There's a baby in your belly with a big fab heartbeat!
The farting doesn't go away. It reduces but gets smellier. Or maybe that's just me.
Glad check up was good Mariana. I am starting to fret about being an actual mum. What if I fill my child with issues? What if I mollycoddle and suffocate them? Should you be strict with table manners or will that give them food issues? Aaaaagh, it's endless!
Good you all give updates of what weeks you're at? I'm losing track. Who's got a scan soon?
I think we are bound to fill them with issues, probably merely different issues to the ones we have ourselves! In all seriousness, I think if you love your child, listen to her and encourage her to pursue her interests you won't go too far wrong. All within some firm boundaries around general behaviour of course!
Tick tock indeed. I think 28 weeks is a big milestone!
Sorry I haven't posted for a while, I have been lurking keeping up to date with all the goings on.
Dildals I am so grateful for your updates. I will make a note to ask my consultant about the baby aspirin. I am keen to have an ELCS, my midwife has already mentioned it, so I am pleased I might not have to fight for it.
ExpatAl wow 28 weeks is a big milestone. I am sure it is normal for the worry to continue once the baby comes along, every step of the way seems to bring up new worries.
buzzy I am hoping to worry less following my 12 week scan but I think I will just worry about my 20 week scan at that point. Good news the scan went so well, small steps is the way forward. Hope you feel a bit better and the cold clears up soon.
Shazza when is the pregnancy glow supposed to kick in? Or is it more of a myth told to pregnant women to cheer them up?
I have my NT screening scan on Monday, I have been seriously worrying about it already. I have also had my first episode of MS today at 11+2, I had thought I had got away without any. I just hope it was a one off, although I was worried about the lack of MS too. I have started weening of my meds so am not sure if they have just masked all the symptoms until now.
Thank goodness for Friday!
How you feeling buzz? Are you staying off work today?
Congrats on the check up Mariana. Good news. I think I'll take a look at the book. I know it's early days but like Expat I'm worried I'm going to mess shazlett up from the outset.
I also worry about the effect on me and DP. Will we cope and will our relationship survive the stress? I have a romantic idea of the 3 of us having a happy time together. I hope the reality isn't that I'm constantly shouting and nagging through feeling overwhelmed.
28 weeks expat. Woohoo. That's another goal reached. One day at a time.
Sweetie I was beside myself with worry for harmony and NT scan and now am starting to fret abit for 20 weeks. It's normal when it feels like so much is at stake. But as expat said to buzz yesterday being worried and anxious wont change anything and so we may as well try to marvel in and enjoy every day.
I've noticed that my body hair doesn't seem to be growing so fast. I shaved my legs ages ago and they don't feel stubbly. Also I noticed this week that one boob is bigger than the other. Ive always had small ones and now they are bigger I can see that the left one is racing ahead!
Have a good day.
Pleased to report I've had no more back-end bleeding (delightful). So must have just been one of those things. Thanks for all your kind words!
Buzz, such good news. I hope you can feel a little bit more relaxed now (just a little bit ) although I take your point re your previous mc, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the next 3 weeks fly like the wind for you. Maybe 'fly like the wind' is not the best choice of language given your trumping issues (I'm also trumping like a trooper)
Gin I've noticed in the past couple of weeks I've dropped the 'hopes' and 'fingers crossed' from my speech, it's now 'will' (if that makes sense!). It helps that someone else at work is the same amount of preggers as me (her due date is one day after mine!!) so we can both look forwards together.
crisps sorry to hear about the sickness. I feel very lucky I've not experienced it myself. Or maybe I'll get it late on in pregnancy to serve me right for thinking I'd escaped!
dildals I'm well impressed you met Mrs Bumpology! Does she live round our neck of the woods then? (Not that I'm going to get my binoculars out and start stalking her).
Shazz I hope the back-up has cleared!
Mariana I hope you had another colic free evening. Weird about the hair. Mine doesn't look any thicker/ bouncier. If anything it's a touch lankier (it's ever so fine anyway). Nice.
Keep I can't believe you're 16 weeks! But of course if I'm 15 then you must be! I know the early stages dragged, but on the flip side it really doesn't seem that long ago that we were nervously posting at 4.5/5.5 weeks respectively...
Hey expat, good news about the scan and the cervix. 28 weeks! Amazing. x
shazz, dildals, fairy, I'd love to meet up with you guys. I'm in sarf east London. Gin might be up for it too. Off on holidays soon but I think a Saturday in July might be free?!?
Morning all! I agree shazz, thank god it's Friday. This is my first full week in the office for ages, as I've been trying to work from home a day a week or take a day's leave and can really bloody feel it!
mariana pleased to hear all was well at the check up. It's interesting what you said about feeling like worrying about the baby is more normal than the pregnancies worries - that is exactly what I said to DH the other evening. Everyone keeps telling us that the anxiety doesn't stop when they are born, but I feel like I'll be in the same boat as everyone else then.
buzz how you feeling today? I've had to have a couple of sick days over the last few months due to migraine and think it's really important to let ourselves recover properly when poorly.
didals all the info is really useful, even though I'm not having twins. I hope you feel a bit more reassured. 8kgs?! Jeeze, I'm sure I've put that on already!
expat 28 weeks already? Wow! The clock is indeed ticking.
sweetie good luck with the scan!
shazz my body hair and nails are still growing like billyo! My hair just looks frizzy rather than nice though. Interestingly my skin has been a lot less spotty since being preggers
instantly expects an outbreak Thinks it's cos it's really dry at the mo, but it means people keep telling me I look really well, or do they mean fat?! Someone at work guessed I was 5 months pregnant the other day, eeek! I was only 13+4.... I think it's all to do with where we're carrying them.
mrshy pleased to hear there have been no more bum issues! i couldn't cope with revealing yet another bit of my anatomy to the drs, although apparently that has already been done, when they shoved up some arse bullets during EC <shudders>. Hopefully as time goes on, I'll be able to drop the fingers crossed etc when I talk about the baby.
I'd love to meet up with you please! I'm souf London based too, although also off on hols so not about at weekends until mid July. It'll be ace to meet you in real life and be able to bore on about baybees
Ps Does anyone else get what feels a bit like mild period pains below the bump, kind of in the ovary area? I guess there's a lot going on in there at the mo, but I still find it a bit worrying!
Shazza, I have one huge mutant nipple. Getting quite concerned - what if it hogs all the milk! It's not quite the attractive image I had in mind.
mrsh at the flying like the wind
gin I plan to have as many sick days as I feel I need, I feel pretty rough today again, headache and sickness but had something I needed to do at work, but will be leaving early to finish up paperwork at home
I live in faux surrey so am keen for a meet up too
Hi doing a sneaky check in at work.
MrsH good news re bleeding.
Gin I had those pains. I think they are round ligament pains and are normal if a little worrying when they happen. It was bad for me about a week or so ago but has eased off. I still get the odd twinge. Does your bump fluctuate? I saw pics the other day if different ways babies can be 'carried'. The difference in shape and position of bumps was remarkable.
Expat the wayward nipple sounds disconcerting. If you are unduly concerned I guess you could get it checked.
So a meet could be
Noks who is also near London
Have I missed anyone near London? Crisps and sweetie I think you are north aren't you? With Mariana? Maybe you could have a northern get together and we could Skype in!
I'm sorry if Ive forgotten anyone. Expat and keep you will be missed.
So what about a Saturday towards the end of July. Will you all be back from hols? 27th?
Count me in as another one with the occasional pelvic/ovarian twinge gin and shazza - I mentioned this to someone and they mentioned round ligament pain too. I notice it when I'm up and about, but not sat down.
Currently 20th and 27th fine for me - but the inlaws will be landing for one of those weekends! I will try and find out which this weekend
My mum is over on the weekend of the 27th of July and we are touring Dorset with the in-laws motor home the weekend before (20th)! (because I will be too big to go on plane and don't want to either - I am going to travel with a mental map of all neonatal units of Dorset et environs in my head!)
MrsH yes, she lives in between Herne Hill and North Dulwich station!
Hi sweetie why are you keen on an ELCS? I think I am with you, but am still feeling like I would miss out of that this great rite of passage of giving birth naturally. Then again ... 40% EMCS rate ... forceps ... epidural ... perhaps it's a rite of passage I should be happy to give a miss.
I could have very happily lived life without ever experiencing vaginal delivery. I believe others find it rewarding.
Your relationship inevitably changes shazza. It's all overwhelming for a while, as if everything's thrown up in the air and then it all settles down again, but things are different as there are now three of you and the baby is the most important for you both. It's fun though, eventually!
Where are you crisps? (I'm Lancs.)
I'm glad you say it's fun Mariana. I do worry about losing what we have. We are very close. Of course that's why we wanted a baby. It would be ironic if we lost that because of a baby.
The 20th or 27th are ok for me. Lets see what everyone else can do. Maybe the 3rd aug is a possibility? I'm hoping to try to get in a holiday beg of aug before I can't fly anymore.
I'm sure you won't Shazza. It will just be a different kind of close. You both will have produced something incredible. I can't wait - have all kinds of daydreams of what it will be like. Probably totally unrealistic!
I was being a bit tongue in cheek about my mutant nipple. It does amaze me though that the body knows exactly what to do and how to prepare for a baby.
My EMCS was miserable and horrible and I was not happy at all when my ob told me I'd need to have a CS this time but I have been reassured by friends that an elective one is massively different and very easy. I still would like to give birth naturally though and feel quite sad about it. Stupid really.
I had lots of twinges earlier and some were definitely period painy - these days I just feel massively pregnant and have to kind of roll out of bed.
Not fair you're all meeting up. Take a picture!
I also get twinges from time to time, especially in bed when turning over. I think it is everything just settling down and making room. Early on the pains were very similar to period pains but now feel more like stretching.
Shazza it is normal to feel like you do but your relationship will change as you all become a family together. I am really looking forward to seeing DH with our DC as I know he will be brill.
Marina I am in Yorkshire so not too far away from Lancs, but too far away for the London meet up.
Dildals I am very fearful of the unpredictability of giving birth, if someone could say it will be X hours, you will have X stitches and need X medication. I think I would be more comfortable. Especially now we are having twins I would hate to get T1 out naturally only to have EMCS with T2. I just want to make sure they arrive safe and sound with the least stress for all involved. It is a really personal choice but I am too much of a control freak/stress head to let nature takes its course.
My Mum said she thought my boobs looked bigger today, I must book an appointment to get fitted for a maternity bra. I am currently wearing my most well washed, softest old under wired bras.
Another episode of MS today, so I definitely think it has caught me up. Bizarrely it is quite reassuring in an odd sort of way.
Hi all- stupidly busy week at work but no disasters thank god. Now have feet up with bottle of no alcohol beer! Whoop!
expat so pleased you have got to 28 weeks. If you don't mind me Asking, why has your dr said you need a CS this time?
dildals I admire your thoroughness with the doctor. I think I must be glowing as well if that is a nice way of saying a bit flushed all the time. How is your SPD?
shazza my DH and I definitely have less time and energy for each other since DS born and I don't feel as passionately for him because my love for DS takes up some of that emotional capacity. But on the other hand, having children together is fantastically bonding and fun. We have been together for 15 years so the single minded ness probably would have diminished anyway. However since having DS we treasure time together in our own that much more.
buzzy gin mrs sweetie- hello!
I am busy weekends of 20th, 27th, 3rd and 10th! sorry! But don't let me stop you from meeting. I don't usually have such a packed calendar.
Sweetie definitely go and get measured. You will be surprised at whet size they will give you. Also they advise no underwires after a while so it's worth going. At first I had room to grow but my boobs are getting bigger now so the bras are being filled out abit more.
Thanks for all your encouragement about relationships. I am looking forward to all the things you say. Like expat I also have romantic ideas about what it will be like. Part of me is just being selfish. Also like you fairy things are already changing through being together for a few years so I guess it's a natural progression.
We have some friends/family who look harassed and strained with each other all the time and I just don't want that. I hope to try to remember to be patient and that we love each other even if things are tested for a while. Then again we have other friends who have 1 DC who clearly love being altogether and have a great time as a little family. I try to think of them and not the harassed ones.
But being harassed is often just the way things are and it doesn't mean you always feel like that. I suppose I mean that it shouldn't be seen as a sign that things are going wrong. As fairy said, having a child together is very bonding, there's only the two of you that love that child in the same way and find your child endlessly fascinating and hilarious. You'll be fine!
Sweetie - I've PM'd you my precise coordinates. We could be near neighbours depending on where you are.
Finally, ELCS is fine. Strange but fine. The recovery is tough for 2 weeks but no worse than a recovery from episiotomy.
Hi lovelies. Had a right old couple of days...had some seriously strong twingy pains on Wed so started panicking. Got sent to the GP who then referred me on to EPU (although bizarrely at a different hospital to where I am being treated). Long story short...all is well. They were both bouncing around and kicking and waving and all sorts, cried all the way through. 11wks today so should be getting there but just can't shake The Fear yet, not sure I ever will!
mrsHY ms is still here and pretty rubbish. I have had a little more energy lately which has been great but the sickness is a real pain in the foof at the moment, particularly when I'm being sick at work.
shazza and mariana yes I am oop North, in the fields somewhere between Nottingham and Sheffield! I am a bit scared of That London if I'm honest. I'm taking some students down for a huge competition thing in a few weeks and they are laughing at me because I refuse to get on the tube. I just don't like the idea of a rabbit warren under a city full of trains, eek! I have always been a bit of a country bumpkin though, I do like cities, just not ones that a too big to walk out of within an hour or so!
expat I had loads of those pains all through my last pg. I think they are just the days where everything stretches and gets squished. Strange not to associate them with a period though isn't it? I'm sure you aren't huge...have you reached the knicker-lassoing stage yet?
Isn't it wierd that we don't know what we all look like?! I talk about you all to DH regularly, but have no clue who anyone is. I might even walk past one of you in That London (although unlikely, I know!) Kind of cool really I think.
Buzzy how are you doing my love? X
<waves enthusiastically at everyone else>
Hi girls I'm on the eggcellent eggs thread so I recognise some of the names here
I'm due to start in about 4 weeks, is there anything I should be doing now to help? I think I eat fairly healthily, I've been drinking lots of water, switched to decaf, running twice a week. We're both on the conception vits. Don't drink during the week but have a couple of glasses of white wine on a Friday night - but not every Friday. OH has a few beers, maybe 4-5 pints but again not every Friday. We don't drink every week.
What do you think?
We're both 34, I've got the all clear, OH has a few sperm issues - sluggish and low morphology that didn't improve eve after 3 months of no drinking
Any tips gratefully received.
Scary stuff Crisps but I'm glad you were reassured. The pain thing is tricky as everybody surely gets some pain and I had some quite alarming twinges at times, but nobody warns you of it beforehand. One good tip a doctor told me was that if it doesn't ease off when you lie down and rest, see someone about it. I wonder if twin pregnancies generate more pain due to greater stretching etc.
Hello twinklestar, you sound eminently healthy to me. The only thing I would add is look after your mental health (ironic I know, seeing as there's non stop mentalling on this thread!) Find a good anxiety management method to use, even if it's just playing Tetris on your phone.
I decided to make the 5am feed more tolerable by bringing a flask of tea to bed with me at night. Definitely a good idea but now I want toast too. Maybe I'll have to hide a marmalade sandwich under my pillow?
crisps sorry about the MS it is a truly rotten experience. Mine got a lot better around 11 weeks so I hope you will see improvement soon.
I am not so keen on cities either as I grew up in the countryside. I go to London at least once a month for work and that's enough for me.
twinkle DH had not so good morphology (5%) and started eating a couple of handfuls of walnuts a day before we had IVF. Could be entirely circumstantial but I did fall pregnant and I am now almost 23 weeks. Getting him to eat them was a lot easier than getting him to stop drinking.
crisps glad things are ok, its frightening though
sweets sorry about the MS
so i've has a migraine for 3 days and cracked this morning and took an imigran as neurologist said I could now I feel guilty and think i'm going to kill my baby with it, irrational I know
I just couldn't cope with migraine and constant MS, I don't know what to do about the sickness, i'm in bed with a plaster over my belly button and my travel sickness bands on all ready for wimbledon the tablets the gp gave me don't really help, I feel sick from the moment I wake up until I go to sleep, i'm now rretching a lot more too, it did make DH jump out of bed this moorning clearly he is not keen on the idea of me thowing up on him
twinks I think you are doing all that you can
sorry about the me me me post
Crisps glad all went well at EPU, it must be very reassuring to see them bouncing around. I am not sure I will ever lose the FEAR either. I am learning to live with it. My sickness has only just kicked in this week at 11+2 and I had to be sick at work too which was really grim so I feel your pain. I am hoping this passes soon for both of us.
Twinkle sounds like you are doing everything you can. I think the odd alcoholic drink helps with the stress but can you ask DH to cut down? My DH liked a few drinks at the weekend similar to your DH and it caused lots of disagreements as I felt I was doing everything I could for DH to do very little. We ended up needing ICSI because of the poor quality which DH then felt very guilty for, his previous SA had always been fine up to the most important one. It could have been one of those things and we will never know but I wish he had done everything he could too. Good luck with your cycle and plan some nice things to do in 2ww to keep you sane.
Marina you sound like Paddington but a very good idea to take tea and the odd snack to bed for feeding time. Only fair that you have a snack at the same time as Trenchlet.
Shazza I have friends who have coped better than others when their DC have come along. I think it highlights strains in the relationships that may have already been there but come to the fore under pressure. They have all got over it and moved on as a time has progressed and things got easier.
We are going away to Lincoln for the rest of the weekend to take our minds off the scan on Monday. Neither of us have been before so it will be nice going somewhere different. I just need to get myself going to get ready.
Hope everyone else has lovely weekends planned.
OH has been eating a handful of mixed organic nuts and seeds for ages so we're covered on that one. As for the drinking, from mid Feb to mid May he didn't touch a drop on the doctors advice. When we found out we needed ivf I think he was so pissed off that it had made no difference he started having a few again on a Friday. Last night we discussed both stopping again. I suppose the good thing is that we are working with his sperm from when he'd given up drinking 3 months ago but Ill tell him to stop again.
Thanks for the tips and hope to be joining you soon
Just popping in quickly to say crisps sorry about the scare but really pleased to hear all is ok.
Phew, glad the random pains are normal. As someone said, it's hard to dissociate them from period pain.
twinkle my DH has severe male factor, so there was v little we could do to improve it. He did stop drinking, took some special suppliments, ate fruit etc for ivf #2 and ended up with the worst SA he had ever had! However we did the the frostie from that round which is now (fingers crossed) growing away in me! Good luck!
Re meet up, 27 July would be great for me, but could also do 3 aug and possibly 20 July, although that day would be more difficult.
Hope you are all having lovely weekends. Soz for lack of proper catch up!
Ah thanks ladies, you are all most lovely. The scan seems to have quashed the fear a little for now. Have another one in ten days (nt scan. Next one after that is four weeks later though, don't know how I'll cope! My name is crisps and I am a Fear addict...
twinkle helloo again. I second what mariana said...good mental health can carry you through a hell of a lot. Plan some lovely meals, stays away if you can afford it, treat yourself to some magazines and box sets and make sure you have plenty to distract your brain while it tries to work overtime. I am a huge acupuncture fan too...
buzzy the migraines suck. I had a three day one last week, it was hell. Paracetamol helped, what was the drug the doctor said you could take? I found sunglasses to be a godsend and tried having a bag of frozen peas on my neck worked well in the morning. Hope you feel better soon, after such a long time waiting its rubbish when you can't really enjoy the pregnancy (-although I love being pregnant iykwim).
Went to a party today, where I told a few people (as am huge already!). Felt very strange to tell people and for it to be kind of ok to tell people too. Nice though.
crisps it must be nice to tell people its a triptan but neurologist said ok to take GP said no, paracetamol does nothing for me and I can't take ibprofen I honestly thought I was going to die this morning IO felt so ill, felt much better when I had thrown up, my longest migraine has been 9 days, I couldn't stand that, will try the cold peas
shazza I can only do the 3rd of Aug. The 20th / 27th I am on holiday or have my mum visiting.
fairy the physio found that the left SI joint (or left part of it?) is not not moving as it should. The pain comes and goes though, so I can have a good week and a bad week, it's weird. She's given me exercises and stretches to do, but TBH it is only making it worse! I'll carry on doing them though till I see her again.
Hugs (or bags of cold peas, I have a massive bag in my freezer) for everyone with morning sickness and/or migraines!
I picked up a bag of maternity clothes yesterday for free, when I went to pick them up though, it turned out she was a good deal shorter than me, so lots of her trousers were ankle swingers on me! Goes to show, size 10s comes in different shapes and sizes.
I am struggling at the moment to be honest. I had a wonderful run of sheer joy, glow and happiness between 12 and 20 weeks and somehow now the sobbing hormones have set in. It just sets off. Not much I can do about it. I just let it go, husband is used to it by now. I am going to be a mumzilla. It is not helped by the fact that I wake up at five in the morning and am then exhausted by the end of the day / when the weekend comes. I still try and exercise almost every day, which isn't giving me more energy (which it should) but is taking energy away. I worry about every little thing. About the weather being crap on our holiday (which I am really really looking fwd to), not getting our list done, getting all the work stuff done, what if I can't get a nursery place, general bad parenting from my side, all sorts of issues that I won't be able to sort out (what if they have different sleeping rhythms, what if they bicker the whole effing time etc). All things that really I should be able to work out or work around or keep some sense of perspective when sane. I think that is it, I have lost my sense of perspective. I can't see the wood for the trees.
Yesterday morning I threw the wobbly of all most epic wobblies at DH, although I must say I still think he deserves it. My DH, bless 'm, is a lovely guy, and also incredibly hospitable. Everyone always comes and stays at ours, which is fine, but now that I am pregnant, I want to spend some time with him occasionally as well, and sometimes I just want a quiet night, without people staying (--especially since some of mates are like so incredibly annoying--). So yesterday I am telling him I am so looking fwd to a night in with DH... (I had only seen him on Wed and Thurs night, the other nights he was out on the lash with his mates. He makes time for that of course.) Turns out he had agreed for one of his mates to come and stay on Sat night (he had some conference on Sunday) and another mate to come and stay for a WEEK as from Sat night. I totally lost it. I don't mind them staying, but could I at least get more than 8 hrs notice, so I am not looking forward ALL WEEK to a Sat night in with DH?! And the mate that is staying for a week, he didn't bother to mention it the last TWO weekends he stayed over at ours! FFS. Then there is no winning this argument either, because you can't really say no at that point either, can you. Telling those people they can't stay. He pulled the same stunt on the day we had our seven week scan. Grr still makes me angry now.
crisps and buzzy wow the migraines sound awful. I've only had one twice in my life but the first time I had to have a doctor come and give me a morphine injection. God that was blissful relief.
dildals you sound really tired and no wonder. I've been sleeping really poorly as well, waking up all night and then really early. Worrying about work plus the pg symptoms I've been trying to go to bed by 9 to make up for it.
I also understand re husbands social life. My DH is similarly social but it is slowly diminishing as he gets older and less willing to risk my wrath. I have had to be a complete bitch about it on occasions (ie coming down in my dressing gown at 2 am and demanding they leave NOW!) but he's been pretty good while I've been pg. you are totally within your rights to say no to guests - you are under a huge burden at the moment and need rest and calm. Men really don't understand how pg affects you, they really can't.
you lucky mare it is back to a constant headache now
dildals You have every right to pissed off, I would be making it clear to DH that they are his friends and he would be looking after/entertaining/cooking for them etc
I am supposed to be going to my inlaws today but just can't face it, feel too weird and eating is such an issue, I like to graze right now
I have just had some bright red blood
Oh no Buzzy. Any chance it could be coming from cervix? Is it a lot?
I don't feel sick anymore and my boobs are a bit saggy and I 'm having cramps, I'll go to EPAU tomorrow
If it is just blood when wiping, then you might be ok. I had that too, cervix is really well bled at the moment, making nice cosy bed for baby.
fairy oh, i think he understands now ... I went absolutely apeshit ... if it happens again i won't pay half of the mortgage, see how that goes down. About a month ago he tells me, on the phone, after few pints that he invited his colleague to stay over for 2 weeks, who's inbetween houses. Seriously. It's just the way he is. It'll get better when twins are here ... I reckon are house/hotel will become a lot less attractive to these men when it has 2 babies!
Oh, AND he forgot our wedding anniversary ... He's got quite a lot of making up to do really!
but my boobs aren't sore and I don't feel sick
Oh God, Buzzy, I'm so sorry. It's been such a roller coaster for you. It's hopefully nothing but it must seem never ending for you.
Crikey Dildals, he has a huge amount to make up for! I have been really tired this weekend after a busy week. It must be even worse for you. Make sure you're looking after yourself.
Today I am 28 weeks and 1 day. Woohoo! We were brave yesterday and ordered a pram. I also bought a very cute hooded towel - my first purchase.
buzzy oh no. You are really being out through the mill by all of this. Is it easing off any? Really hope it is just an over enthusiastic bubba bounding up and down on your cervix. And don't take any notice of symptoms disappearing unless its for over a week...I am dreadfully aick and sore ut have still had random periods of two or three days where I felt great. Hormones are a rollercoatser, not a straight road. Let us know how you get on tmw.
dildals you sound very tolerant! There is no way on earth I would be having people to stay for a few days let alone a few weeks. That is ridiculous! Is your spare room the one that is going to become babies' room? If so paint it, get rid of the bed and pile nappies everywhere. Pregnancy is a very primal thing, I get very possessive about the house and my time and space. I'm very lucky with DH...he still has nights out and so on but wouldnt dream of coming home late/noisily/with a friend. You'll probably be right about the friend ps after the babies. I had a good bit of advice which was to not put makeup on or get out of my pjs if people who tended to overstay their welcome were coming over. Worked a treat!
crisps my boobs have deflated and don't hurt did that happen to you, I can understand the sickness coming and going
Buzzy, my boobs deflated at around 6 weeks and then came back with a vengeance at around 8/9 weeks. My symptoms were also really erratic. Anyway, only a scan will give you the peace of mind you need. What time does the EPU open?
Well actually, I say that they came back with a vengeance but in fact only for a couple of days and then they didn't hurt for a couple more weeks.
Cross posted expat sorry. 28+1 is awesome! Good for you with the pram. Giving you a little round of applause here sat on my sofa!
buzzy I have erratic boobage (not to mention the fact that I am a 30K!) Some days when I unleash them at night they are the most painful thing in the work, other nothing at all. The veinyness comes and goes too. My bump is the same too...this morning I looked fat, this afternoon huge bump that is really hard and look hugely pregnant. Don't get it at all. I think there are so many things going on that they just change all the time. Especially when you're like us...we're so in tune with our bodies after IVF that we notice every little change. Trusting your instincts is fine...as long as your instincts aren't too pessimistic! I am completely guilty of that one. Really hope you get a good result at the scan tmw. How is the bleeding?
Oh buzzy I'm so sorry about the bleeding. Am crossing everything for your trip to EPAU. Time must be crawling... Remember you lost symptoms last time and all was OK.
dildals I wouldn't stand for that either... I've been less sociable since starting ivf, and that's not really changed now I'm pg... Early bedtimes don't help.
I am SO looking forward to being back in the uk (5 weeks!) and getting our house sorted. Well, first finding a house.... <panics a bit, makes another list, calms down again>.
expat well done on buying a pram, I'm thinking of making one little purchase, maybe some booties or something, to make it seem more real, but maybe I'm chicken.
crisps I missed your drama the other day, poor you. So glad all is OK, and after your twelve week scan it seems much easier I think. My bump is also much smaller in the morning-you can hardly see it- after dinner it's quite big.
Sorry for weekend radio silence. We've had our heads down doing the loft.
Buzzy oh my goodness. How are you today. What time are you going to EPU? Good luck. I'm thinking of you.
Crisps I'm glad all is ok after your scare. I agree it's funny to chat and 'know' each other yet not know each other. I don't know what I would do without you girls. You are all amazing and have made all this so much easier and fun. Although I know that it isn't fun for many of us some of the time.
Twinkle if you are still reading. Good luck with your cycle. Be healthy, happy and I agree try to find time for yourself to be calm and relax. Meditation, warm (not hot) baths. Whatever it is that will help you stay sane. Also while you feel ok try to prepare some food and have it in the freezer for the days when you don't want to spend time and energy cooking. Nice healthy soups, shepherds pie that kind of thing. And cut down on caffeine if you can. Fingers crossed for you.
Mariana I hope 5 am tea and toast is working for you. MIL called DP last night and told him to relish every moment of sleep now. She was making it sound like we will never sleep ever again.
Sweetie. Good luck for today honey. Let us know how you get on. I hope you had a good trip
Gin how are you feeling? Shall we say 3rd aug for a meet up? Is that ok for all those that would like to come? We could have afternoon tea somewhere.
Dildals. Crikey you sound overwhelmed honey. Firstly inviting guests to stay for long periods is not on now. Can you talk to DH when things have calmed down and explain that there are to be no more house guests. You are over 20 weeks pg with twins for goodness sake. A few weeks ago DP just wasn't getting it either and although we didn't have guests he wasn't pulling his weight around the flat. I left the 'what to expect' book on the table with pages marked. The book says that a pg woman is more tired and expending more energy laying on the sofa that he will EVER experience. Even more than a full work out at the gym. DH needs to understand that not only it is simply not possible now for you to be catering for his house guests but that you need peace and quiet and you need to be with him at this crucial, intimate and personal time. Good luck with it.
Secondly re the overwhelm. I understand how hard it is to have the voice in your head pile worry after worry on top of each other until it topples over. It will take abit of willpower but try to break the cycle by tackling one thing at a time and repeatedly reminding yourself when you find yourself worrying about something that is out of your control. Like the weather. If it rains every day you can have cosy times with DH snuggled in the hotel or in cafes reading books. Or you can go for walks in the rain. It doesn't matter. You will be together and that's important. Overwhelm is horrible because it takes away our empowerment so take it bit by bit and then it is manageable. Phew I got abit carried away there but I know this feeling soooo well
Expat massive congrats on over 28 weeks. Hurrah! Which pram did you plump for in the end?
Keep exciting times ahead. Do you know where you are comjng back to?
Hello everyone else. I hope you are all ok and had a good weekend. All fine in our camp. Still no movement felt. And apart from my fluctuating bump and inflated boobs I wouldn't know I was pg. I'm still having panicky thoughts about the impact on our lives and am also feeling overwhelmed but am trying to keep this in check (see above).
Good luck to those with scans today. Love x
Thx Shaz for the tips. I drink decaf anyway but might invest in caffeine free herbal tea just in case.
Thx Shaz for the tips. I drink decaf anyway but might invest in caffeine free herbal tea just in case.
Buzzy, I'm stalking this thread for news. Hope all is okay.
Shazza, I went for the maxi cosi mura in the end. I really liked the look of the quinny but the basket was very small. The new Stokke is fab with an enormous basket and I was very tempted, but I have seen babies nearly propelled out of the pram when it hits an awkward cobble and 1300 euros before you've bought any extras for the pram is pretty steep for something that will probably have blackberry squash spilled on it at some point.
Twinkle, sorry, I missed your post. You look fine to me. Keep the water up because it will flush the drugs out of your system quicker and help you feel much better. Don't change anything while you're taking the drugs etc - just continue as normal. Wishing you the very best of luck.
Btw, a friend has an uppababy and it's brilliant. It's just hard to buy in Belgium and I wanted to be able to take back whatever I bought to a shop easily if it broke.
shazza I haven't even begun to think about how this change my life
head in the sand again no one really talks about that when they have a baby
expat Thank you, the scan showed a heartbeat at this stage, I was crying so much they had to stop scanning me as they couldn't see anything with my gut moving, I'm still bleeding but have another scan booked for the 3rd July which seems like ages away, I feel quite numb
buzzy yay! that's wonderful! bleeding is so common, try just to think about the heartbeat. How far along are you?
shazza YES let's do the 3rd of Aug. If anyone wants to meet up earlier in a smaller group then I would be up for that too! Happy to host as well (seriously, I am ... just don't stay over! ;-))
buzzy hope everything is ok, fingers crossed
expat I couldn't BELIEVE the price when I saw those Stokke prams! I guess it just depends on priorities.
To be fair to DH, he doesn't expect me to cater to his guests. He does all/most of the cooking and washing/drying of clothes. He's quite domesticated. It is just the fact that I don't get asked whether it is OK whereas I am pretty sure I pay half the mortgage.
Luckily the house is large enough, the nursery to be is my walk in wardrobe ... It's just that if I don't fancy sitting on the sofa inbetween DH and his mate(s) (listening to either golf talk, tennis talk or tory talk about taxes) when I am really looking fwd to snuggling up with DH and relaxing.
ANYWAY. On the upside. I went to a Nearly New Sale on Sunday morning (with DH). Came back with a good loot. I am the proud owner of a twins nursing pillow (not owned by local celebrity author this time). The lady had twins too, so she had loads of matching outfits. OMG. I am so going to dress them up the same! They're going to be so CUTE! They have matching set of American Apparel leggings now... haha. I bought a nice big play mat with toys hanging over it, that they can share. I bought a door bouncer, mainly because that looked like lots of fun to ME, not sure whether the babies will enjoy it :-). I also bought a massive bib thing with arms, like a plastic shirt. (DH really liked that, I was thinking 'oh, a bin bag will do that too!'.) For when they start eating themselves. Can also be used for when they take on finger painting (which may have to take place in the garden!). Also bought a copy of the Baby Whisperer for a pound.
Also picked up a bag of mat clothes for free. Size 10. But when I saw here I realised she was about half my size (in length). So now I have quite a lot of work trousers in size ten left over. Any takers by any chance? They are not amazing, but they'll do the job!?
Also called Home Start this morning. They're a volunteer organisation that can help you with multiples, a volunteer will come to my house every week for 2 hrs and help me out, after the twins have arrived, with whatever I need. The volunteer is likely to be a parent too, so she can share some experience or simply put a wash on or talk some sense in to me if I have completely lost it by that point or come along to baby swimming because getting twins in to swimsuits at the same time surely must be an advanced parenting skill.
Buzzy, great news! Do they have any idea of what could be causing the bleeding?
no idea what is causing the bleeding but they said to expect a bit more,
Buzzy that is amazing news. I'm so happy for you. The bleeding must be a huge worry but at least the bubba is ok. I have a cousin who tells me like it is. She says that she loves DD more than anything but if she'd have known how hard it was going to be she would have reconsidered trying in the first place. And she was TTC for 8 years.
Dildals yes please to trousers! I'm shorter than you so they might fit me. Great to the 3rd aug it's a date. And am also up for travelling over your way before then weekend DIY allowing. Your haul sounds great as does the homestart help. Genius! I'm going to go to the nearly new sale on the 29th that you mentioned.
Thanks expat. I'll look up that pram. The stokkes look so unstable to me.
shazza I had a cousin like that, I don't know how long she was trying for but she said motherhood was not what she thought it would be, she never striked me as the mothering kind as she was very career focused she went on and had another, I know she had a miserable labour and some complications with drugs ,paraylised for a few hours after due to them??
buzzy so glad there was a heartbeat. Hope that means that the bleeding is not from the bambino or placenta and is from somewhere else if you get what I mean. Maybe you're just going to be one of those ladies that has lots of bleeds, although I know it must be completely terrifying when it happens. Really hope everything sticks and stays sorted for you.
dildals the people I have met with twins keep telling me that organisation is the key. You are so organised that I'm sure you'll be great! Very impressed by your purchases and bargain hunting, I love buying stuff and preparing but I'm not as sussed out as you are about what to buy and where from! And with regards to DH...mine is also lovely but I do keep recreating that scene from friends where Rachel is pregnant but has a huge shout at Ross, saying he needs to be at her constant beck and call at all times, even if that's unreasonable!
Someone on my street has one of those stokke prams. They are beautiful but I agree they don't look too safe. I had a Quinny last time and loved it. Really easy to put forward or backward facing and lasted forever. The basket underneath is a bit small but we just hung stuff off it if we needed to. I am going to need a beast of a pram for the troublesome twosome!
Re. the never would have done it if I'd known what it entails thing. I have a fear that I'll have gone through all of this and it won't be what I thought and I'll be a terrible mum.
My friend with twins has a schedule on the fridge and sticks to it religiously. When you visit you're handed a baby and a nappy or bowl of food. They are beyond cute - two little blond boys. They're very cuddly and relaxed because they're used to random people holding them. I won't lie - both parents look bone weary but blissed out. It's a fabulous thing. Am soooo jealous.
I looked at the twin prams and thought of you ladies. Every outing is going to be a major work out! You'll never need a gym again but you will need a big pavement. The Maxi Cosi is reversible too and looked the same as the quinny side by side but i do like the way the baby sits up in the car seat. There's so much choice I couldn't focus after a while and so we went for the one that was most comfortable for dh to push. Lucky dh was with me otherwise I would have gone zombie like for the Stokke.
Keep, it must be coming up to d day. How are the preparations going?
Hello! Not much time to post I'm afraid but:
1) Buzzy, phew, another mountain climbed. Keeping everything crossed that nature cuts you a break very soon!!
2) 3rd Aug for a London meet up sounds fab to me
3) I went a bit mental at Westfield yesterday. We are now the proud (if slightly baffled and terrified in case we've jinxed it all) proud owners of a dresser/changing unit, cot bed, wardrobe, buggy with extras, car seat and isofix base.
Buzzy so pleased all was ok at your scan, but what a worry to still be bleeding. I hope it all stops soon and you can start to relax.
We had our scan today and all was well, they were both still in there!! They were both measuring a week ahead of my 11+6, I am sure she said one was 13+1 and the other was 12+6. The downs risk came back at 1/17000 so that was such a relief to us both. The twins were wriggling around loads which was really weird to see on the screen but not feel. It is all starting to feel very real now. We have told both our families and close friends so that is it now until 20 week+ scan.
DH is looking at the Bugaboo Donkey but I am not sure and it will be me who has to push it the most. Also it is £££££s which puts me off too although DH says we can resell it. I am going to have a good look around before deciding.
Great news buzzy. I've known a couple of people who bled intermittently throughout pregnancy and no explanation was ever found.
I'm surprised at your cousin shazza. I think the first months are gruelling until you get the sleeping sorted but after that it's busy, but not overwhelming. The absolute love and joy at having your baby more than compensates. Even at the absolute extremities of exhaustion they can still utterly melt your heart with a smile and a gurgle. They keep doing it in different ways as they get older. They're utterly fascinating creatures and brilliant company as they get older.
I have not a single regret but I do miss city breaks and lazy holidays in the sun. DH is away a lot for work and I used to go too if it was somewhere nice. He's off to Italy tomorrow and I'd love to have been able to go too. In time (years probably) I'll leave the girls with my sister and sneak off on the occasional trip with him.
I swear by organisation too. Simple things like not leaving a changing mat in a mess really help. Every nappy change I do I clear up and make sure there are enought nappies, wipes etc there for the next time. I never let the laundry pile up and always clear up straight after a meal. I check milk / fruit and bread levels every morning and do a menu plan for the week. It's not for everybody but it keeps me sane!
I've got a couple of size 12 maternity things on offer, a red sun dress and a grey linen tunic. I'll try to upload photos of them, then anyone who wants them can have them.
Hurrah sweetie, great results!
Gah, I can't upload the photos, I've managed the grey tunic, it was great over trousers and especially when heavily pregnant (originally from H&M). PM me if you're interested in the sun dress (I think I wore it once) and I'll email a pic. It's got thin straps, an empire line draw string tie and is knee length, red cotton (from Mothercare).
Just a quick one from me to say buzz am really pleased that things are ok with you. Seeing a heartbeat must have been such a relief. I am really pleased for you and the buzzbean.
shazza 3rd August is ok for me too.
Will do a proper post in a day or so. My bed is calling tonight !
Expat your friend and her twins sound delightful. I love the fact that visitors are involved. I looked at the maxi. Looks good. MN reviews said that it wouldn't be good for those who live in a flat though. What do you think?
MrsH what a lot of loot! How exciting. What pram did you get? I'm obsessed at the moment!
Sweetie amazing news re scan. What a relief. And how lovely to be able to share your news with your friends and family.
Mariana you are my inspiration. I've decided not to worry about it anymore. It will be a huge adventure and reading your positive posts makes me excited to meet my shazlett. Great organisation tips. I'm going to need to train DP
Nokity Noks you ok? Only 2 sleeps til scan.
So the 3rd August is on for the London meet up. Does anyone have any preferences about where to meet? Last time we met in covent garden cause Fairy was coming in from the north. Fairy can you make the 3rd?
I've got the big guns coming in on Thursday to get the decorating marathon started. A whole week with my parents helping is enough to drive me to drink but I'm going to stay calm and remember that it is all in a good cause. There is so much to do we can't do it on our own. There's no way we can start to accumulate baby stuff while the flat is in this state. I'm excited to get it sorted. It's going to be cool once it's all done. I'll host a tea party at mine once we are on mat leave.
Yay to 3 August! Somewhere central or south London based would be good for me. Looking forward to meeting you all in RL.
buzz so pleased they found a heartbeat. Must be frustrating not knowing what's causing the bleeding, as well as incredibly scary. Hang in there - it sounds like mini B is a survivor.
shazz I'm super impressed at the decorating. We need to get our arses into gear and get some done this summer. The problem is motivating Mr Gin!
I too am buggy obsessed and keep gawping at them when I pass one in the street! FIL has a which subscription, so he'll be put into action researching them for us after the 20 week scan.
didals I would not be happy if we constantly had people to stay. I feel that at the mo I really need my space and time to just slob out (plus I keep falling asleep on the sofa at 9pm!). It sounds like your DH is lovely and hospitable, but maybe a chat about how you need some time with him may help? My DH and I haven't had much quality time recently, as I'm constantly knackered and in bed or asleep! Shazz's advice was v wise.
How do you f'ind out about nearly new sales?! Your haul sounds great, as does mrshys. I gave in and bought some cute muslin squares the other day. I suspect once I know the gender, I'll go nuts!
mariana impressive organisation! Sounds like it's the key to not being overwhelmed with stuff.
sweetie hurrah for a good scan! And wow sounds like they are big uns! Do they ignore the dating scan and stick with the original DD? I know my hospital stick with the one we got from ET.
Well done on having made the buggy decision expat. I'm totally overwhelmed by the choice. I need a search like you get for insurance, where I can tick what specs I want and it then tells me what to get!
Waves to everyone else. Nothing to report. I wore a soft cup non wired bra yesterday and have the sorest boobs ever today! It was meant to be comfortable... So I'm back in the underwiring today. We're off on hols next week and I can't wait. I intend to be sooo lazy.
buzzy Good news, I had a couple of bleeds too that scared me senseless of course, at the last EPU scan I was crying too with relief and the sonographer said 'look at them, completely unaware of all your worries' ...
Sorry I've been so quiet. I carried on having the occasional tiny specks of brown spotting after my 7 week scan so have been keeping my head down and holding my breath some more. I have booked a private scan for next week, when I will be 9 and a bit weeks if all is still well, to find out what is happening. So many people have told me how they bled and still had happy outcomes so I am tying to hang on to my sanity for now, though some days better than others.
Buzzy, great news you are both still hanging in there. So unfair you are being put through the mill like this.
Very impressed by all the exercising and healthy stuff that is going on - I feel very shamed! And by the great bargain-hunting. Something for me to look forward to if/when I get that far.
Hope everyone is doing OK. Sorry too tired for more - having complained of lack of symptoms, the mischief gods were listening and knackerdness and evening retching kicked in on the dot of 7 weeks!
Hope everybody is well.
I think it's one in four or five women have bleeding of some sort and of them only a quarter actually miscarry.
Decorating is such a drag but far better to do it before rather than after the baby is here. I was so mental this time I wouldn't do it and now have three weeks to get it done as I have a big family weekend to host and need that room done so it can be used.
I wish that 5.30 was not the new 7.30 in my house. Luckily my mum is staying so I have help.
All fine here. I'm extremely tired though. I'm hoping I'll have more energy soon. Parental unit arrives tomorrow to kick off decorating.
Hello Ceara. I'm sorry you have had a worrying time. I hope the next scan is ok
Glad you have a bit of help Mariana. I hope you can rest abit.
I feel like it's ages since the 12 week scan and I've got another 2 weeks til 20 week one.
Have a good day. X
Hi, any thoughts? I have dullish pain v low. What is this? Ligaments stretching, have I pulled sth, or is it worrying (it doesn't feel like uterus, too low). Should I fret
Shaz, two weeks will fly.
Ceara and buzz hope you're both ok.
Will catch up mire tomorrow.
Don't fret keep. It's ligaments stretching.
I hate to say this keep but I had that as part of the whole pelvic girdle strain. It's nothing worrying though but you might be starting to get pregnancy weight related issues.
shazz, I think it only seems like last week you had your 12 week scan - other people's pregnancies fly by!
Yes It's amazing how quickly everyone else is moving along so fast while my pregnancy seems to be taking forever!
Mariana, 5.30 starts with toast and feeding baby sounds really cosy. Am I delusional?
Shazza, I think perhaps the maxi has changed since those reviews as they're quite old. I don't know why it would be unsuitable for a flat unless you don't have a lift but all the travel systems seemed similarly hefty. The folding glitch seems to be fixed too as you don't need to take the wheels off. But then again I haven't used it yet....
But I've only put on 2-3kg so far Mariana...
I know, I keep getting jealous when I read of other people getting to x weeks, then have to remind myself I'm plodding on too! Time is the weirdest thing.
Sadly the toast is only a fantasy! I do take a flask of tea to bed with me though (more evidence of control freakery / obsessive organising!)
Al, it's sometimes to do with the hormones (relaxin specifically) that loosen up your ligaments in your pelvis and elsewhere so it's not always directly weight related. Hopefully it's not and I'm merely gratuitously over diagnosing you!
Mariana how was your tea this morning? We should start marketing teasmaids to new mums. We could make a fortune! In one way the weeks are flying by i can't believe I'm 19 weeks and nearly half way. I wish I could say that I'm relishing every moment cause it will be over before I know it and I'm afraid ill have missed it in a foggy haze of anxiety. On the other hand the gap between 12 and 20 weeks seems endless. Especially having had 5 scans between 7 and 13 weeks then nothing!
Expat we live on the first floor of a converted house so no lift. The plan is to hang the pushchair on a hook in the porch so the chassis has to be pretty light. I'm just going to have to test lots.
Keep 2-3 kilos is good going. My pounds are piling on now but I still don't know where they are going. Maybe a soft padding all over rather than my bump. My bum does feel slightly more snug in my new mat jeans.
Expat do you think the Pilates is keeping my bump contained?
A very sticky and tossy turny night in London last night. I hardly feel I've slept a wink.
Buzzy and cerea how are you both today? No spotting I hope
Hello to everyone else.
Have a good day. X
shaz I know what you mean about 13-20 weeks seeming ages. I too had 4 scans before 13 weeks, and now we're just left. But didn't you have something at 16/17 weeks? I'm going tomorrow and will hopefully hear the heartbeat, which'll be lovely. Have you felt anything yet? I think by 22 weeks most people do, even with anterior placentas. Ask which side yours is on at the scan, it may well be at the front.
mrsHY, my nearly-DD-buddy - how are you doing? Bump noticeable to others yet? Movement yet? I can't believe how much stuff you bought the other day!! We haven't even bought one single thing... Good on you! Bet it was really exciting, and must make it seem a lot more real - much of the time I still think I could be dreaming...
I am really hoping you're wrong mariana about the SPD, but I suppose it would explain it. I've just been swimming and it was actually fine - the worst seems to be when i'm in bed and rolling over, which is weird... I too love the sound of early morning snuggles and tea. But I suppose if you're exhausted, wanting sleep, and doing it every morning then maybe it loses its appeal. I'm glad your mum's being staying though.
If it carries on ask for a physio referral. SPD doesn't always become severe and even mine, which had me on crutches, disappeared the minute she was delivered.
Trenchlet has a foul cold. Poor thing can't breathe through her nose too well so feeding is a challenge. She still too young for Vicks etc so all she can have is nose drops.
Shazza I don't understand why teasmades went out of fashion. I am now wondering whether I should have my travel kettle next to my bed! The early mornings are fine unless DD1 wakes before 6 and wants her breakfast. Then it's not so relaxed...
Teasmades are great, were on a home visit with a patient and they had one, there was great discussions about who would be in charge of it now the patient or the wife
shazza no spotting but not much sickness today going menkul Trying to stay calm, hopefully its the Omeprazole for the indigestion
keep I wonder how I will cope from week 13-20 its limboland
mariana sorry trenchlet has a cold
I need to wash my hair but when I do I always have a bleed maybe I'll just wash it over the bath I can't smell that bad surely
I feel like my pregnancy is going really quickly at the moment. 24 weeks already next week.
Any advice on this? ... The twin on the left is head down and is a good little kicker, I can see my bump pop when he kicks (yes .. I know .. I still refer to them as hims .. I know I am delusional ..). The other one somersaulted in to breech and kicks me in the soft tissue downstairs somewhere, which is less noticeable. (I reckon they teamed up and divided tasks. 'You search downstairs, I do upstairs, as soon as we find the exit we're outta here!') Since yesterday morning the left twin has stopped kicking as much though. And now of course ... you guessed it ... I am worried. Normally they have a jailbreak session early morning, late at night and somewhere in between when I am quiet. Yesterday I wasn't in the office and walked around a lot, and it was quite warm, so perhaps that's why Left-Twin didn't really want to exert himself? I have a scan tomorrow morning and Left did give me a few good kicks last night, probably to reassure me, and a few measly ones this morning, so I didn't want to stress everyone out by calling the midwife. What woudl they do anyway at 23 weeks? It is not as if they could 'fix' the problem if there was one? Right? Of course, as would happen, Left Twin just started kicking against the side of my desk ...
dildals, this was one of my obsessions. You're only just at the beginning of when you're supposed to start kick counting so that should be reassuring for a start. I used to lie on my side and count until I'd felt ten kicks. You might not think you're feeling them but when you lie down and concentrate you will feel them.
Dildals I keep reading how they often fall asleep when we are moving around. They are rocked by the motion. That's probably why slings work so well. So if you were walking maybe leftie is a better sleeper than rightie. I love that they are top to tail with eachother. I wonder if one says to the other 'oi get your bum outta my face!'
Ok girls we are on a bring back teasmades campaign. I actually wanted to buy one for DP a while ago but was surprised at how much they cost. I think I'll reconsider now that my need has come into the equation
Buzzy I wonder if washing your hair does bring on the bleeding? Maybe it was an unfortunate coincidence? Having said that I doubt very much that you smell at all so don't worry!
Mariana poor trenchlet. Shame she is also not quite ready for beechams cold and flu capsules. They used to do the trick for me. Might be something to do with the caffeine
Keep you are right. I had a midwife appt at 15+6. Well remembered. So only 3 weeks ago we had a heartbeat. Surely shazlett hasn't done a runner since then? I haven't seen her sneak out in the middle of the night. (I'm sure that's to come in about 18 years from now!). No movement yet. I'll ask where my placenta is I keep wondering if I feel something like little bubbles but it ends up being wind.
The parental unit arrive today. Only 7 days til they go home
Mariana, sorry trenchlet is snuffly. First time having a cold must be pretty miserable. Hope she's feeling better soon and that she doesn't get rid of it be giving it to you.
Shazz, I see the worry never stops. I thought that for first pregnancies particularly, and if you're fit and healthy (ie can remember having stomach muscles) it's quite normal not to feel movement until 20 weeks or even slightly later. 18 weeks is just an average. I'm sure shazlett hasn't done a runner.
Teasmades put me in mind of my grandma who was in love with hers through the 1980s. But I begin to see how there could be an attraction. That's it, my life is over, I am clearly going to miss the turning into your mother stage and turn straight into my dear departed granny. Next will be an obsession with ironing and cleanliness. It has started....
Buzz, glad you are 50% OK. I have been too scared of cooking the embryo with hot water, so pretty sure I do indeed smell. But leaning over the bath to wash hair hasn't been circumstantially implicated in any spotting yet so I am keeping my hair shiny and self-respect intact. My last bath was the night before I started spotting (to be clean for my trip to the ivf clinic) so I have had it with baths and am embracing an Elizabethan attitude of bathing once a month whether I need it or not. The jury's out on the shower but I'm keeping a close eye on it's behaviour.
No spotting for me yet today (say it quietly). My scan is on Monday. Not sure I want to know, though. I have just found out I won't see the midwife until 12 weeks and after my first NHS scan (assuming we get that far) which bothered me a bit as I'd thought DH and I would get to talk through the antenatal testing choices with her before having to make decisions on what to do. I guess I am too used to being a mollycoddled fertility patient who gets lots of information, hand holding and looking after. Welcome to the real world outside that pampered environment!
Happy longest day of the year for tomorrow to everyone.
Sorry for typos and rogue apostrophes - wretched phone keypad
ceara you should have your booking in appointment at 10 weeks, I'm still waiting to be told when mine will be, I have a scan booked for around 10 weeks so I assume they will book me in then, should ring and check really. How many weeks are you now
No spotting after hair wash although it wasn't my long hot shower that I would normally have,
I am now thinking about how I will cope on my own from week 13 to 20 weeks
I'm 9 weeks tomorrow if it's still hanging in there. I too had thought DH and I would see the midwife at 10 weeks. Apparently round here the booking appt doesn't happen until 12+ weeks; the midwives refer patients administratively for the first NHS scan and antenatal testing before they actually see us. I have to ring in a decision today as to what tests I want. Understaffed and overworked, I think. Good 'ere, eh? And this is the Home Counties, don't you know.
I have, however, been able to speak with a very nice person on the ARC helpline, who talked the tests and choices through with me and was kind enough not to make me feel a neurotic crazy infertile for wanting information and to think it all through - unlike the midwife she "got" that we aren't reassured by small percentages/might never happen platitudes, as our BFPs were those small percentages. Bless her. Lots to talk through with DH after Monday if all is still well. Meantime I will tell the midwife yes to everything whilst reserving the right to change my mind. If we have testing I'm inclined to go to the FMC for the Harmony blood test. Can't believe I am tempting fate by letting myself briefly think beyond Monday, though.
Yaay to no spotting after hair wash.
thats a bit odd, I was told to MAKE SURE I had a booking in appointment for 10 weeks as they HAVE to do blood tests by then everywhere is different I suppose, where is FMC its near Harley Street isn't it??
When I had my last booking in the midwife kept telling me not to worry etc etc, like I was some loon, so I asked her how many kids she had, she told me none, I thought well how the hell can you advise me when you haven't been pregnant let alone miscarried I found her patronising, the next day my baby died I'm hoping I don't get the same the woman
Buzzy and ceara hurrah for cleanliness and no spotting.
Ceara I'm surprised that you haven't been able to talk through things with midwife. Glad you found someone to help though. I went to FMC for harmony. It is on Harley street and I can't recommend them enough. To qualify for harmony 'deal' of £180 for harmony and NT scan plus another dating scan you must book and go between 10-11 weeks they do a scan take blood give you pics . Then you go back in 2 weeks for harmony results and detailed NT scan. They advised me not to have NT scan and bloods at the hospital as well as the results could worry us unnecessarily. So we went for NHS scan but opted out of tests. That was fine with the hospital and the dr there agreed that the harmony is great and said no point in having a test that is 95% accurate when in 2 days we will get the results of one that is over 99% accurate. However she did off the record tell us that all soft markers looked fine and we had nothing to worry about. The harmony was fine the NT scan at FMC was very reassuring AND they gave us a DVD. In fact I ended up having 3 scans cause the first time I went they dated me at under 10 weeks and they didn't want to risk a false result so I had to go back. Best £180 I spent. If you want to go book now cause you will have to go in a week or so.
Buzzy the wait is hard but as keep reminded me you have a MW appt between 12-20 weeks and also all of us to help reduce the mentalling. You had such a tough time before its no wonder you are worrying now. I hope you have a supportive MW this time. No one should be made to feel like a loon. This is an incredibly worrying experience for you.
Ceara I was born like my grandma I think. I've always been abit old fashioned!
It.s really sad you didn't get the support you needed. I think we get spoiled by the understanding and empathy of the fertility nurses (i know i am, the two looking after me throughout have been beyond amazing) and it's a bit of a shocker encountering the real world again. I hope you feel better supported this time. I guess there's an element of luck to getting a midwife who "gets" you.
Not sure what is the big excitement about the booking appt blood tests, as we've had most of them already. I already know (happy happy joy joy) I am rhesus negative, also immune to rubella and don't have HIV or hepatitis. So the only possible big news would be anaemia. (Or syphilis... - but DH would have some SERIOUS explaining to do in that case.) The midwife was adamant scan first, then booking, despite my mild protesting that I thought booking came first, so I would be grumpy if the hospital said otherwise when I pitched up for the scan. If we make it to 12 weeks of course.
The FMC is in Harley Street, shaz I think you said you went there? It was recommended by the ARC, for what that's worth.
SHaz you are psychic. Cross post!
Hi folks, just dropping in as feel rubbish today...probably because I felt quite good from Mon to Weds and told DH this last night, therefore jinxing it!
Forgive my ignorance but what is harmony? I have my NT scan next week, but is this something else?
mariana I know you're normally the oracle but have you tried one of those snot extracting pipette things for trenchlet ? My Dd had terrible congestion and bronchiolitis at the start and it really helped. Absolutely disgusting though! One of the only useful things my hv ever told me too was to give her her night time feed in the bathroom with the shower on...the steam seemed to help on the bad nights. Hope it improves soon!
noks have you had your scan? How was it? I have cried with fear at every one so far, they don't seem to get any easier. I do enjoy the relaxing hour or two of confidence they give me before I get back to mentalling though .
Crisps sorry you are feeling rubbish, I am sure you haven't jinxed things. Symptoms seem to come and go I think.
Mariana how is Trenchlet doing, hope she is a bit better. I imagine it is really tough for the little ones when their noses are blocked up when trying to feed. Poor little love.
Buzzy it is very odd how booking in differs. Mine was done same week I had my 7 week scan. I have my next appointment with the midwife tomorrow at 12 weeks. Good news on no spotting post hair washing.
On the teas maid front I remember my Nan had one when we were kids. I remember it being really noisy, gurgling away for ages before the brew was ready. I think it would be a good idea for nursing Mum, although a thermos would be significantly cheaper.
My tummy has been really sore, feels bruised but can not see anything, since my scan on Monday. I thought tummy scans would be much easier than the fanjocams but now I am having second thoughts. I had thought the probe would be skimmed over my tummy rather than jabbed and ground into my back bone, ok I exaggerate but it was quite a rough experience.
We have started looking at buggies, OMG where to start??? DH wants to go for a Bugaboo Donkey even though it won't fit through our front door. I have been recommended a Out n About Nipper, Dildals I think this is what you are considering, by a child minder who lives on our street. Another twin Mum has recommended a Mini City Jogger and I quite like the look of the Oyster Max. I know we have ages to decide so I will continue to check them all out.
buzzy and ceara so pleased to hear there is no spotting at the mo. Buzz I always knew washing hair was bad for us! I really hope you don't get the same MW. Mine just looked at me when I went on about how worried I was, not v useful.
ceara not toooo long until your scan now.
My next scan isn't until I'm 21 and a half weeks. It feels agggges away. I do have a MW appointment at 18 weeks, so am hoping we'll get to hear the heartbeat then.
I know this sounds mental as I'm only 14+5, but I've been feeling flutterings for a few weeks. It could well be wind, but seems to be getting more definite... It's more noticeable if I'm still, or after I've massaged in my anti stretchmark oil. Guess I'll find out later on if it really is movement.
didals it must super scary if one stops moving, but yay for desk kicking! I reckon it's fine to call the MW if you are worried and it's worth it to put your mind at rest.
Poor little trenchlet mariana. Do you have one of those snot sucker things?! I see crisps has recommended one... I honestly don't know if I could use it!
keep how far along are you now? I'll keep my fingers crossed that it's not spd too.
Ahhhh a teasmaid, now we're talking! <adds to Xmas list> I'd love one, even though our house is tiny so it's really not far to the kitchen!
shazz good luck with the 'rents! Just think of all the DIY they're going to do for you
I have a consultants appointment next week. Apparently I have to see one, as they won't let ivf pregnancies go over their due date. Have any other ivf singleton preggos been told this?! I'm not sure if it's just my hospital....
X post sweetie waves. We may be getting a 2nd hand bugaboo bee from a friend. I'm quite excited as we couldn't justify the cost of it brand new!
I just plan to take my green forms from last time as the answers haven't changed I don't know if I would have the Harmony test as the eggs we used were of a 25 year old but would be keen for my 20 week with them, do they do reassurance scans between 13 to 20 weeks
crisps sorry you don't feel so good
gin I think the reasoning behind not 'letting' IVF pregnancies go over their due date is that because you know for certain the date of conception if labour is delayed after 40 weeks it can't be attributed to wrong dating. However they of course cannot force you to be induced at 40 weeks or at all, it is entirely up to you. I don't see why you need to see a consultant either since you can still just make a birth plan with your midwife that says you will be induced at 40 plus 1 or 40 plus 2 or whatever. I had a friend who did not want to be induced and gave birth at 43 weeks to a perfectly healthy baby. I would probably not want to go beyond 40 plus 2 just because I would go mental at that point!
You could actually be feeling movement at 14 weeks, I think I could that early but wasn't entirely sure until about 20 weeks.
On booking appointments, I had mine at 10 weeks then my NT scan at 13 weeks along with bloods. I discussed the results at my 16 week appointment with the MW. The booking appointment is really more administrative than anything else so there is no reason why they couldn't post pone it until after your NT and bloods. This is not to excuse MW who are not sympathetic or patient when you want to discuss your worries of course. I don't have another appointment with the MW until 28 weeks because it isn't my first pg! I had a scan at 21 weeks and then that's it for those. But I don't feel worried at all as long as I keep feeling kicking and wiggling like dildals.
shazza sorry so you got your NT scan and the Harmony test for £180 and you had to book for another scan??? Could that be your 20 week scan?? Am I understanding that correctly??? I am now considering it as that is a good deal
X posts with gin and sweets
sweets they really press down on the tummy scans, I prefer good old dildo cam to be honest
gin I'm ready to take on the MW's at my hospital, I already seem to know most of them I like the sound of flutterings, mine will be wind as I'll still be on the progesterone [wind]
I'd forgotten about the snot extractors. I might get one tomorrow if we have another bad night. I was considering sucking the snot out of her weeny little nose with my mouth but thought I might hurt her (that thought alone demonstrates how much I love my baby!)
Scans always feel rough to me. I had bleeding after one once.
I don't understand people who resist induction after 40 weeks. I was desperate to get the baby out by about 35 weeks.
gin i'm 17 weeks. I can't believe you're feeling movement already, you lucky thing. I expect it is that, if it doens't feel like farts... I am also getting a free bugaboo bee, so we'll be snap! I also wouldn't have got it for myself.
I find it a bit annoying that they should treat IVF pregnancies differently. Surely now that we're knocked up there is no reason to treat it differently. I just want to be normal...
with extra scans I think that this is different across the country - some are made to have consultant care all through, others just regular.
shaz I think you'll find nighttimes out drunken will be before 18 years from now... I have my 17 week appointment today - nervous of course, but possibly less than previous appointments.
ceara good luck for monday. I know it's scary...
buzz glad you got clean, and no spotting. How are you feeling at the moment.
noks are you there? I really hope the scan was ok the other day.
Keep good luck with appt today. You'll be fine. You get to hear the heartbeat and that's so exciting.
I'm v jealous of the free bugaboo bees being dished out. I keep coming back to that one. It's titchy and very light. The parental unit are chipping in so we could afford it although my mum has now poo poo'd the idea of buying one on eBay. She has read that some unscrupulous tykes are selling fake ones and all sorts of horrible things have happened. Very worrying. Why would stupid people put babies lives at risk for the sake of a quick buck?
Mariana it melts my heart when you speak about trenchlet. I wish I could meet her. I can't believe that I'm actually going to have a real live babee very soon to love so much. I hope she is feeling better.
Buzz FMC do scans for £100 I think. I had 3 scans there cause I was too early for harmony on the first one. They still only charged £180. But remember to get that deal you have to go between 10-11 weeks. You can have harmony later but it's full whack and I think that's £400.
Fairy. Lovely to hear from you. You ok? Are you around on the 3rd aug? I also meant to ask you if you are still riding your bike?
Gin soooo jealous of the movement. Although now I'm wondering if I'm actually feeling shazlett. I just assume its wind! I've left the Olds to get started today. Hopefully they will have finished by the time I get back .
Sweetie sorry you are sore. There is a lot going on down there and all that poking around in a tender area is bound to have an affect. My bro has a single city jogger and likes it although my mum thinks its abit heavy when she looks after his Dd.
Crisps. Sorry you are feeling rubbish. That's pants. Hope it's better today. The harmony test is a blood test to screen for trisomies. It is currently only tested in USA so the blood is taken here and sent there. Results take 2 weeks. It is over 99% accurate. It's tests fetal DNA in mothers blood so I don't think you can do it for twins. You can read about it here
http://www.ariosadx.com/. Although this is the company who invented it so it is very glossy. There is a good MN thread about it. Be warned though some people on there had some terrible experiences with the prof at FMC. I didn't see him. Apparently his bedside manner leaves a lot to be desired. For me it was fab. My risk was 1:41 with no testing, 1:871 with NT scan and combined bloods but went to 1:10000 with a negative harmony test so I was more than relieved.
Ceara I agree that booking appt was administrative. Apparently dildals was given loads of stuff but I wasn't . I do have a very nice MW though so am lucky.
I feel very loving today. I'm totally in love with DP at the mo although he is a massive clutz. Last night he spent over an hour cooking dinner for me and the Olds and then dropped THE WHOLE LOT on the floor as he was dishing up!
quick question, who was it who said that their council had free nappy samples? Where do I find that on the council website?
Oh and finally dildals where did you find details of the nearly new sale on the 29th? Is it NCT? I can't find it on their website.
That's it from me. Over and out!
I lied! just wanted to add that although I don't want to steal Noks' thunder just to reassure everyone that her scan was great. All clear. She texted me.
Thanks for that shazza. Feel rubbish today so off work, they are a bit at people taking time off when pregnant but I really do feel shocking. Doesn't feel serious though, just a bug type thing I think.
noks if you are lurking have a virtual high five for the scan. Keep thinking of you. I'm 12wks today so you can't be far behind, thought it would feel like more of a milestone but it doesn't yet. Hope you are all well.
Twin people we're thinking of getting a mountain buggy duet if anyone's seen them? Thin enough to go through narrow doors, side by side, can take two maxi cosis too which is so convenient when they are still ickle. Expensive but plan on reselling it afterwards. Any thoughts? Obv won't be buying anything for a good while yet, but planning is fun!
Just to say all is good at my 17 week check. Heard hb, uterus the correct height, urine fine. He wasn't v interested in my low muscle ligament pain, but I think that's improving. I swam yesterday and it was fine.
crisps congrats on reaching 12 weeks. I think you'll feel the NT scan more of a milestone.
Ooh, I bought some baby socks. My one and only purchase till we go home. They look quite big compared to Kip's current size. So much growing for the next 23 weeks <melts a bit>
shaz do these fake prams collapse or summat? I would def buy a second hand one, just check the condition and seller out.
Well done on the scan noks!!
Oh and at dh dropping dinner shaz! Did you have to get take out?
crisps the mountain buggy is on our list too. on the multiples page and pushchair page there is lots of discussions on double buggies. we are at a similar stage so are only looking too but I am going to do a comparison spreadsheet on the ones we fancy. I am happy to share with you when done
Argh Shazza! Poor DP, did you scrape it off the floor and eat it?!
Good news on the scan Noks.
Good news on less pain keep
Hope you're feeling better soon crisps
I hate buying things like buggies. You dither for ages then order one before suddenly discovering loads of bad reviews! Before I bought my Maclaren there was an incident of one cutting a child's finger off! I still bought it though.
(Trenchlet is such a little love, she's so responsive and smiley now. They really are worth every minute of anxiety!)
So true Mariana. I woke up last night in a panic about whether there's a bar for a toddler to stand on the pram when you have another baby. I'm 42 fgs!! Little Trenchlet sounds gorgeous. These 10 weeks can't pass quickly enough for me! Bleugh at the thought of sucking it out yourself.
Shazza, good plan to hang the chassis downstairs. I suspect slings are going to feature heavily in your life. Poor dp at dropping the food. I know what you mean about feeling loved up. Long may it last!
Brilliant news about your scans Noks and Keep.
Buzzy and Ceara, glad to hear that you're both sweet smelling as well as spotting free. How's it going today?
Crisps, you did the right thing to stay at home. Work will survive.
I'm sitting here with feet and I think bum poking out all over the place. It's quite uncomfortable and the mind boggles at having two in there doing this.
noks yay on the scan!
keep good news on the 17 wks appt and that your ligament pain is improving.
shazza I love your 'loving mood' with DP. You must be getting into the good hormones phase of pregnancy. I have been feeling generally very up beat for the last 6 weeks - I had a major upset at work this week and it barely registered on my sunny consciousness, which is definitely not the normal me!
I am still riding my bicycle and have no problems but Cambridge is very cycle friendly (flat and lots of cycle paths) and I have no heavy traffic to contend with. I cycled up to 3 days before going into labour with DS but that was partly because he was still quite high up then and so it wasn't uncomfortable. Some women find their babies 'engage' quite early and then cycling and even walking gets much more difficult.
mariana your Trenchlet does sound wonderful. I had my first dream where the baby was an entity in it the other night. Someone told me I had had her already but she was somewhere else. I was then in an absolute frenzy to see her but can't remember the weird convoluted explanation as to why that wasn't possible. It wasn't distressing though.
Although I completely understand the desire just to get the baby out by those last weeks, I didn't want to be induced because I wanted to avoid interventions as much as possible and because the drugs they use for induction can result in very strong contractions, which then necessitate an epidural, which can lead to more intervention etc. As it was I went into labour on my due date and still ended up with loads of intervention and an EMCS but that is just how unpredictable the whole business is.
crisps I'm sorry you're feeling rotten but as you say it is probably a bug and not the pregnancy.
All this talk of buggies makes me want to buy a new one but then when I actually go and look at the mind boggling array and prices I break out in a cold sweat and go back to MN.
fairy, I know, I'm being disingenuous really. I suppose as I was induced after my spontaneous labour stopped I have no experience of successful natural labour, so in my experience better an intervention heavy labour at 40 weeks than the same thing at 42 weeks. I am rubbish'at childbirth!
Trenchlet's just screamed her way round Sainsburys to the extent that I forgot most of the things I needed. We are not such good friends now.
mariana :-) I know what you mean. My labour with DS just went on and on and on and by the time I was 10cm dilated it had been 48 hours since my waters broke and DS and I were just too tired to keep going. So when people talk about 'pushing' and the baby just 'popping out' I have no comparable experience. But I am keen to see whether it works this time! My cervix did fully dilate so it should be much quicker this time. But I agree not wanting an intervention filled delivery at 42 weeks so I am planning to arrange that I will go to 40 plus 1 and then have an ELCS.
Sorry re Sainsbury's screaming, if I had been there I would have smiled sympathetically at you.
You should be ok this time, most people are usually quicker second time round and at least you got to 10cm on your own so you know it all works!
Congratulations Crisps on 12 weeks. A milestone indeed.
Keep well done for a successful appt today. Cute sock purchase. I haven't bought anything yet. DP bought a random soft toy that he adores for some reason. It is very sweet. We didn't get take away or eat the dinner off the floor. Luckily we had eggs so whipped up omelettes for all. Poor DP was embarrassed and my dad who is normally a right wind up merchant was very restrained! Re the fake prams. I think that they are poor quality, wheels and bits falling off, fake guarantees etc. all bad news really.
Sweetie. I can't tell you how impressed I am that you are starting a spreadsheet for the pushchairs. A woman after my own heart! I'm going to follow your lead and do the same.
Mariana the horror of a child losing a finger! I smiled at trenchlet in the supermarket. Here we all are, all gooey eyed and then she screams us back to reality . It is lovely to think that she is the first of all our bumps to arrive. Funny that by the end of the year there will be a few more to join her. We could make a tv show. Lets get Robert winston <hero worship>.
Expat so cute re feet and bum. I can't wait to feel it. I'm also 42. It's funny to be wondering about things like that. Someone recommended Phil and ted pushchair cause it is good when you have a second one. Mind you he then went on to say that he thought I was 28 and so assumed I'd be having another at some point!!!!
Fairy I wish I could be cycling. I just can't face it here. I asked cause we are thinking of taking a trip with our bikes. I'm used to doing that but not whilst pregnant. The dreams are strange aren't they?
So must confess to texting MW today re worrying about comments about my small bump and no movement. She said not to worry. People love to talk about things that they know nothing about and they don't worry about movement until 24 weeks. She said with your first it is mainly that one doesn't know what to look out for. I feel abit more reassured although following gin's post this morning I've been poking the bump all day hoping to rouse shazlett into action.
First time I started feeling movement at 21 weeks. I was slimmer then with a smallish bump too. It's really nothing to fret about.
Speaking of looking 28. My mum said to me today 'you've got mascara under your eyes' so I ducked into the bathroom to wipe it off. Except no, no mascara, just the alarming dark shadows I've developed, I am haggard. DH is still away, I wonder if I should be asking him to get me some Touche Éclat in duty free.
Just popping in quickly to say so sorry shazz, I really didn't mean to worry you! I bet it is all wind I'm feeling and not baby flutterings at all, as it is so early. I'd have thought bump and when you can feel it depends a lot on how you are carrying it and your own shape. I think I have a sticky out womb, as it tended to make me look preggers when it had AF bloat. Also my bump gets bigger as the day goes on, so it's mostly water retention and wind I reckon! Please please don't worry and certainly don't listen to me
and my windy tummy
Waves and happy weekend to everyone else!
Oh ladies, you are sweet !
Yep, scan was interesting. My child shall henceforth be known as 'Nipper Rascal' or NR. He is SOOOOOOOO badly behaved at scans, it's untrue < strangely proud>. My scan was at 8.35am and when the sonographer started to scan, NR was fast asleep and there was NO waking him up. So, I was dispatched to get breakfast and a hot chocolate to wake his lordship. So, back in I went. He was awake < he likes chocolate for breakfast > but wouldn't get into a position where measurements coud be taken. So, the dildocam came out (four times - I fecking kid you not) and it took the sonographer 40 mins to complete the scan. So, I am waiting for the blood tests results but the neck measurements look ok, so fingers crossed.
I am 12+6 today so slightly ahead of you crisps . How the feck did that happen !?
shazza your Love Day was so cute ! Had DP dropped the dinner on he floor, I would have booted his arse around the kitchen.
Hello to everyone else !
Four times with the dildo cam? I'd be pressing charges.
(Glad they got everything in the end!)
noks great news on your scan
Busy day chez shaz. The Olds and DP have been diamonds and have nearly finished the room that we had allocated a week to do. Looks like I might get the bathroom done as well
Gin you didn't worry me at all! Having said all I said yesterday I think I might have felt shazlett today. When I was washing up I felt like a light tapping in the front of my tummy. I thought I'd knocked myself against the sink but I hadn't. It must've come from inside. Even as I lay here now I can feel little 'pops'. Very faintly but I think it's something.
Noks I love that NR was sleeping when you went for your scan and you had to go back. That is so funny. The 4 dildocams not so funny though, not for you. At least you got a good result. Fingers crossed for the bloods. When do the results come back?
Definitely get touch éclat Mariana. The government should provide every new mum with one as they leave hospital
I hope you are all ok. I'm shattered. I've been cooking and cleaning all day.
Oh new pushchair interest is uppababy cruz. Any thoughts? I also looked at the mutsy Evo which is tiny when folded but the basket is ridiculous. It looks like everything woukd fall out. And just for fun watch the telegraph you tube video on the origami something just for fun. It folds by itself at the touch of a button! It has an on board battery that charges up as you walk. What will they think of next?
Night all. Xx
noks awesome that you are almost 13weeks. It feels like an age and no time at all since we got diffed! Dildocam sounds about like you were violated but glad all was well. Mine is on Tues, I've already started with the mild panic about whether ther is actually anything in there. I have this odd fantasy that the scan machine keeps showing someone else's baby. Yes, I am slightly strange...
shazza your rents and dP are ace. My in laws are pretty fab
despite not really feeding dd when they look after her and are great with helping out when asked. You sound all glowy and nestingy and happy! Your flutterings definitely sound babylike. With dd I remember realising when I felt huge kicks that I'd actually been feeling little ones for ages. I had a kind of squirming sensation when she moved sometimes too, do you feel anything like that?
mariana I have permanently black eyes too from lack of sleep. It's a sign of well earned motherhood, along with a stomach you can tuck in to your pants and the permanent snot stains on your shoulder I reckon. how is trenchlet doing?
sweetie I think we may have been separated at birth. I love a spreadsheet. I even have a mug that says so. Please tell me you favour a pastel dolour shading palette in excel?
Re puschairs for singleton babies...we had a Quinny last time and we loved it. It put up with a lot and was really flexible. Not too heavy to lift either.
Feeling a whole lot better this time. Have only been sick twice so far this morning and am upright without puking for the first time in days. Hope this is a sign of things to come as was losing the will yesterday. The glow is a long way off but if I can manage to shove my arse round Morrisons to do the shop today I'll be over the moon! Poor DH has been relegated to a week of takeaways, a stroppy threenager and a bomb site of a living room all week while working hundreds of hours, poor boy.
dildals and sweetie and other twinnie ladies...have you seen www.twinsclub.co.uk ? Have just discovered it this morning...quite a lot of articles and info on twins clubs. Have spent a good hour reading through some of the stuff...it's actually quite positive for a change, as opposed to the premature birth no sleep nightmare that most twins stuff makes me worry about...
Shazza well done on the decorating/DIY, major achievements when you have done
at 4 x dildocam, at least they got there in the end Noks
Crisps so sorry you are still have sickness, hope you are feeling brighter today and managed a quick trip to Morrisons.
Thanks for the link to twins club, I find the twins info full of horror stories too so have stopped looking now. I will have a read and see if there are any of the clubs near me. Although I went into Mothercare this weekend, it is a big out of town store, and they have a twin club every week. They also have loads of other sessions such as baby yoga, baby massage, pregnancy support, breast feeding support, doulas. Loads of things so ladies it might be worth checking out your local Mothercare to see if they host anything similar.
Also if you become a TAMBA member for £2.25 per month you get discounts off at loads of places including 10% at Mothercare which is a really good saving on buggies and all the other accessories we will need. I am already getting my list together.
We have been very busy on the buggy front this weekend and have nearly settled on the Oyster Max, but we still have to see the Mountain Duet up close and personal before our decision will be made. Then we can relax
as if rather than driving ourselves mad with all the options out there.
I have my NHS screening scan tomorrow, but am not mentalling about it after everything was fine at the private scan last Monday. I am looking forward to seeing them again, just hope the sonographer is more gentle this time. I think we also get to see the twins consultant at the same time too. I am hoping for loads of helpful info and no negativity to an IVF twin pregnancy. I will let you know how we get on.
crisps if being sick "only" twice in a morning is an improvement, my god you poor thing! Really hope it eases up soon.
sweetie good luck on your scan tomorrow, I'm glad you are not stressed about it. Good luck also with having a relaxed, positive consultant.
shazza you asked a few posts back about 3 Aug. That weekend DH is away with friends so I think it is unlikely I will be able to come but it could get cancelled at the last minute. If it does then I will happily make the journey. And that definitely sounds like Shazlett saying 'hello' to me!
I've been having a very lazy Sunday, I haven't really got up from the sofa or bed all day. I've been extraordinarily tired so hopefully this will help. I've started to vaguely feel I should do something useful like put the laundry away.
I run my life via spreadsheets. I am slightly embarrassed by this.
Good luck for the scan Sweetie. I laughed at the scan being of someone else's baby crisps.
My local soft play -circle of hell- centre has a twins club too. Might be worth looking at those too. (I have warmed towards them now DD1 doesn't need me to participate and I can sit and drink tea at the side. I have a fear of ball pools.)
I've been decorating like a bastard again (when will I ever learn?) but Trenchlet now has a lovely bright bedroom. Ok, the ceiling is a bit patchy but only I'll notice. Just need to rehang the curtains and heave all her stuff back in, before tea time. I know I was too mental to prepare her room before her arrival but doing it with a 10 week old is a really silly idea.
Hope you're all sensibly relaxing.
Mariana trenchlet's room sounds great. Good for you getting it done. I hope she is feeling better. Did you get a snot extractor in the end?
Crisps oh my goodness. Poor you with the sickness. I really hope it eases up for you soon. Which Quinny did you have?
Sweetie good luck for tomorrow. It is lovely to see them again. I can't wait to see shazlett in a week or so. And thanks for the mothercare tip. I can't believe they do baby yoga. That's brilliant. And good idea about vouchers and offers. I think I'll scour the net to see if I can find anything.
Fairy fine for the 3rd. We'll keep our fingers crossed you can make it. I hope you enjoyed your relaxing afternoon.
Hello to everyone else. I hope you are all ok.
Another busy day here. I feel like I'm running an on-site builders cafe! Ive been cooking, baking, making tea and washing up all day. Today I made soup for lunch, banana bread and biscuits for afternoon tea and after dinner we had rhubarb crumble. But I've got a lovely new office room, painted exterior bits re-done and clean windows inside and out! I'm loving this. Shazlett is going to be born into a show home
More tomorrow. Night all.
noks so pleased your scan went OK eventually. Sounds like you have an independent-minded child in the making there.
sweetie hope today's scan went well
crisps congratulations on 12 weeks but sorry you are still feeling rubbish, hope it eases soon. It is so unfair that some people seem to get off lightly on the sickness front with a bit of mild queasiness (she says, feeling guilty...) and others randomly get dealt the vomiting card. I hope the trip to Morrisons was successful.
keep glad the pain seems to be easing a bit.
buzz how are things? Hope you had a good weekend.
shazza the decorating blitz sounds exciting. I would love to get our house redecorated, but we have been
arguing vacillating over colours since we moved in 3 years ago and somehow I can't see it being done now! The only painting that's been done so far, has been done by me and DH would go over protectively mental if I started climbing ladders now, so that's put paid to any DIY for a bit round here.
I am back from my scan and the good news is that the little one is still hanging on in there, right size and good heartbeat. In less good news, the sonographer found a small area (2cm x1cm) of bleeding, not near the little one but still not what I wanted to hear, though she reassured us that in her experience as it was small it should just reabsorb and she thinks we have every reason to remain hopeful and optimistic. Why are things never straightforward, though, eh?
I have booked for the Harmony blood test at the Fetal Medicine Centre next week at 10+4 and the NT scan 2 weeks later, at their £180 package price. So only a week until our next scan. Fretting resumes tomorrow but I have given myself the rest of today off from worrying (oh, who am I trying to kid..).
Hope everyone else is doing OK.
Quick check-in from me. We're on holiday in Chamonix, plan was to take in a bit of fresh mountain air, do a bit of hiking and eat tartiflette/fondue/raclette. I even had a few sips of a very nice red wine. Rest assured though - the weather is crap, just like in England! Well, I hope you're not having nice weather while I am away. That would be unfair.
We had a 24 week scan just before we left. Girls are doing fine. Every time the sonographer wanted to take head measurements from one of the girls, the other one got jealous and put her head in front. But we got there in the end. I was convinced one had gone breech, because I can feel movement in my soft tissue down below as well as around my belly button. God knows what the down below feeling is, perhaps they have excellent upper body strength.... She also showed us the profile of their faces and afterwards we both said that they, strangely, looked like ... me ... I know this shouldn't come as a surprise, considering I put half the genes in, but still ... weird to see and I thought it was just me thinking it but DH mentioned the same. The sonographer did say 'they're not the biggest of babies, but all in normal ranges'. It's weird how one innocent phrase can make you fret. I am now carrying a total of about 1.2 kg of baby ... and gained about 8 kgs! Just goes to show how much fluid/placenta/additional blood volume/fat there is! It also made me realise they still have so much growing to do, and I am already struggling to tie my shoe laces! (I can now officially report that I can't see my private parts anymore)
Although I have been very lucky, having no morning sickness really, and hardly any tiredness I think it is come back to bite me. Last week I struggled to stay awake at my desk and had to have a few power naps straight after I'd come home (face plant on bed with work clothes on). Then again, the twins have been to their first 'proper' rock concert, and I stayed awake (sort of) for that. Now, on hols, there's been a substantial amount of napping, I feel like I have developed some sleeping disease you sometimes read about. This will get interesting should it persist! (picturing myself fast asleep at desk)
shaz sounds like baby flutterings to me!
noks great news on the scan! You've come such a long way.
There's nothing wrong with spreadsheets by the way. I had one for the prams decision making! You should see the wedding spreadsheet. Everyone laughed at my spreadsheet, but they all wanted a copy of it when they got married!
Good luck everyone with the decorating, baking, equipment buying, scans, Harmony tests, sickness!
Dildals your holiday sounds great. And good news re the scan. Sweet that they look like you. I can imagine that it is disconcerting. Glad the girls are doing well. It's not surprising that you are feeling tired. You are making not one but two babies! I'm finding one taxing enough. Enjoy relaxing and napping on holiday. I laughed about not seeing your private parts. I'm starting to huff and puff at tying my shoe laces as well.
Ceara. Hurrah for the scan but sorry about the bleeding. At least you know where the spotting is coming from. Fingers crossed it sorts itself out. Well done for booking the harmony. It is worrying I can't deny it but it is worth the peace of mind.
Sweetie how was your scan today?
I hope you are all ok today. We have started on the bathroom. And shazlett has been squirming around abit. It is lovely to think that she is in there. I keep trying to get things on freecycle but the posters aren't getting back to me. Maybe I'm not doing it right. But how can I do it wrong?
Oh well nearly bed time. It is so nice being off work even though we are working hard. I'm looking forward to mat leave already :-)
Just found out that I'm an auntie for 2nd time. Bro just had a girl. Home birth 2 and a half hours labour.
dildals enjoy your holiday, it sounds lovely even if the weather isn't great at not seeing your privates
ceara I can relate as I have just booked a scan for the end of this week can you be scanned too much I am still in two minds about the harmony due to DE, although the NHS are mucking me about with my booking in appointment I am still having spotting but I don't worry about it now, if you do have a bit of blood you will know what it is, although you will still worry
shazza i'm impressed with all the DIY, I am not sure where I will be living so feel DIY might be a bit last minute little shazzlet deserves the best
sweet I hope your scan went well
Well 9 weeks today, feel sick but not as much as before, which I'm sure is a good thing
Spreadsheets are great, I don't know how DH would cope without them
Seems like spreadsheets are the norm rather than the exception. Quite right too.
Good scan news and Ceara how annoying about the bleed area. I had one in one pregnancy, I bled at about 7 weeks, was scanned and told it was 2.5 cm wide but it was totally reabsorbed by 11. If you do have a bleed at least you know where it's come from and that it should be limited.
Dildals, the bad news is that the bone aching tiredness never stops! But you're growing two whole humans in there, of course you're tired. Holiday sounds lovely, I'm glad Raclette is permitted. It's very odd when they look like you, DD1 looks like me (but far nicer) but DD2 looks like her dad (but without the beard.) It takes some getting used to.
Congratulations on being an auntie shazz, the cousins will be close in age. Sounds like one of those straightforward deliveries you hear about in legend!
Buzzy according to all research you can't be scanned too much! Sorry the spotting continues but good that you're learning to live with it.
I'm tired! Trenchlet is very hungry tonight so I've been awake loads. Ive just changed her nappy and two minutes later she's pooed again, at least it wasn't during the nappy change. I'm keeping myself with planning her nursery pictures which is the only fun bit of redecorating.
Mariana I hope trenchlett got her fill in the end. Did you get through your flask of tea? Sounds like you put in an allnighter.
Buzz 9 weeks that's amazing. Little by little you are getting there. I ended up having 5 scans by 13 weeks. As far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as too many . As long as they don't harm the baby of course and I don't believe they do.
Hope everyone else is ok today and not too much sickness
I'm feeling funny today. Found out that my other friend had a boy yesterday as well. I couldn't be happier for her. Natural pregnancy after 3 failed ivfs and years of trying and heartache. But along with the as yet unnamed new niece that's 2 new babes in one day. We've talked about this before when we discussed updiffed news. Even though I've got my bun in the oven I still feel abit like i did when I heard other new baby news through the years of TTC. Is that weird? I'm so thankful that shazlett is live and kicking in my tummy. So why ami worrying how I would have coped had I not had one of my own on the way? What does it matter? I'm also hoping that shazlett is ok at the scan next week. Them having had their babies safely arrive seems to make me feel vulnerable again. But everything will be ok wont it? I'm worrying unnecessarily right?
mariana i hope you get some rest, i have been thinking about getting some nursery bits from home, but not yet
shazza everything will be fine at your scan, remember you don't want their baby or life, you'll have your own soon enough
i had a quick look at the antenatal boards i don't think they are for me they all seem a bit foreign to be honest, back at work, hoping to go home early
Buzzy the antenatal boards are overwhelming aren't they? That's why we made our own .
Hello all! Hope you are all well and enjoying the almost sunny weather.
I agree re the antenatal boards buzz and shazz. I do occasionally read, as its interesting to compare symptoms, appointments I should be getting etc, but I mostly find it all very alien to my
anxiety ridden experience. And thats why you ladies are so great, as you get it!
shazz How lovely to be an aunty again, although I totally understand what you mean about pregnancy/birth announcements. I dont think weve had any since my bfp, but I know I will still find them stabby, particularly if they are instadiffs. Sounds like you are making excellent progress with the DIY. Can I borrow your parents?! We have so much to do!
buzzy pleased to hear you are feeling a little less sick. My nausea really is a lot better. I do feel sick, but generally if I eat or ignore it, it goes away, rather than getting loads worse as it did before. Hope all is ok with you otherwise. Good luck for Fridays scan.
mariana hope you aren't feeling the effects of last night too much today. Is Trenchlet feeling better now?
Didals hope you are having a lovely holiday. Were off on hols soon too and I cannot wait! I cant imagine how knackering it must be having 2 on board! Im tired all the time with just the one and seem to fall asleep on the sofa by about 9pm. So pleased all was well at the 24 week scan. How lovely that they look like you. 2 mini mes
ceara thats great that your bean has a good heartbeat and is the right size. Not long until the 12 week marker now. I dont know much about bleeding, but know that it can be reabsorbed and frequently doesnt cause any problems. Would the patch they saw explain your spotting?
fairy I too have been having very lazy Sundays! Helps me to get through the rest of the week. Weve earned it I reckon.
crisps eeek at only being sick twice! My nausea has been bad enough, without actually chucking up. Have you got any tablets from the doctors? I found they took the edge off for me and meant I was able to get through a day at work.
noks yay for the good scan, although boo to dildocam. I hope I never have to see another of those long skinny buggers and their condom again.
Waves to everyone else.
Im just back from a consultant appointment at the hospital. Theyve decided to class the pregnancy as normal, despite the IVF, so Ill be under midwife rather than consultant care, unless any problems arise later in the pregnancy. I did have the choice of what I wanted, but I think fewer appointments is a good thing? I also asked about induction due to it being IVF and she said Id just be treated as a normal. Hopefully this will help me to feel more normal about it all, now I know its classed as a normal pregnancy. We heard babys heartbeat, which was v. cute and reassuring (and I teared up yet again...).
Shazza I think it is hard to change emotions when we have had such a struggle to get to where we are. I find it very hard to deal with instadiffs, I suppose I feel sorry for all the emotional baggage I have collected on the way. Congratulations on being an Aunty and sounds like a great playmate for Shazzlet
Dildals I am so pleased your scan went well and amazed you could all tell your babies look like you. I haven't been able to tell much from our scans yet. I am dying to know what ours will look like as we only have DH as a reference point. I am a bit sad that there will be nothing of me as secretly I would have loved a mini me.
Ceara I had a colleague who had really bad bleeding in the early stages of her natural pregnancy and the EPU told her it just had to work itself through and she went on to have a successful outcome. It is really worrying at the time.
Gin sounds like a good appointment but it might take a while for "normal" to sink in. How lovely to hear the hb too, I am not surprised you had a tear I am sure I will too.
Thanks for thinking of me yesterday, I am so pleased we have had our private NT scan as our NHS scan they couldn't get NT measurements for both twins. We were scanned for over an hour and the babies would not stop moving and get into the correct position. Both twins are still measuring a week over our dates but they aren't going to change our EDD yet. Our next scan will be at 20 weeks and then every 4 weeks after that. DH wants to go have a private 20 week scan at the same place we went for our NT scan, so that might be next scan we have.
Antenatal boards just prove that for most people everything is just fine! I suspect all the baggage relating to pregnancy and fertility will be with us for a long time. My cousin is due at Christmas, got pregnant first attempt. I am pleased for her and pleased Trenchlet will have a playmate in the family as all her other cousins are older. I have wondered how I'd feel if I didn't have her though.
Good scan news sweetie. I think it's very interesting how you feel about the genetics, it's obviously you doing the growing of the babies etc so how important is it that babies are genetically linked? I'd be interested in reading reseaech about that at some point. DD1 is like me but Trenchlet has no similarities to me so far, except my feet. She has similarities to DH though. Sweetie I think you will find people say they look like you regardless. My friend has adopted a little boy and she says people often say he's so like her.
'Normal' is a tricky one, Gin, it shows there is nothing special to worry about now, but if only it were that easy!
I'm so tired, and now stuffed up, sore throat and cough. I hope Trenchlet doesn't feel as bad as me. If she were just two weeks older I could dose her with Calpol and cover her in Karvol but as it is I can't do anything much. I can only hope it's good for her immune system.
Message for buzzy! The girls on the conception ivf thread ate worried about you cause they haven't heard from you since you said you were bleeding....
About to drop off the face of the earth as I'm going on holiday for a fortnight, so wanted to check in and say hi! I'm really looking forward to meeting some of you on the 3rd.
Shaz I'm glad Shazlett wriggled into action to give you some reassurance! I haven't felt any movement yet, and I have been hyper alert to anything. That's why I'm also quite envious of you gin! Great news too Gin that you are 'normal' ;). I am classed as high risk as IVF pregnancy, but thankfully under Kings that means you can still be under the care of the midwives - you just need to pitch up to an appt around 25 weeks or so with the consultant, then you're released!
Mariana boo to the black, tired eyes and the stuffiness but glad to hear everyting is going well with the littl'un
Fab news re the scan Noks!
Crisps I hope you are sicky-free soon. You have my sympathy!
Hi Sweetie, fairy and ceara - hope you are all well.
Dildals I loved your description of the girls' scan! I hope you are having a lovely holiday. I'm also a fan of a spreadsheet
AFM, 17 weeks today and had a midwife appt this morning. We listened to the heartbeat which was pretty cool. It was quite fast so of course I googled it and thought I might be expecting a girl
conveniently forgetting that there was a whole section debunking this theory in Bumpology. And it wasn't me that consulted some kind of mad Chinese online gender predictor which said I was having a boy, oh no, not me. For those that asked by the way, I ended up buying a Bugaboo Cameleon All Black. Top tip - Oxford Pram Centre! Saved £114 compared to the John Lewis price. Bargain.
Ha - laughing at the mad Chinese gender predictor!
I'm also beginning to think spreadsheet use = high anxiety levels. i.e. us control freaks threatened by the unpredictability of pregnancy.
I sent a gushing thank you card to my consultant today. I'm now slightly embarrassed that it was a bit OTT but it's gone now and I will never see her again!
Back to earth with a bang this morning as the bus is stuck in traffic and I'm going to be late on my first day back. I've been holed up in family decorating cocoon for days. I'd forgotten what the outside world was like.
On the plus side our decorating is going so well. 2 rooms done in the time I'd allocated for 1 so we are thrilled.
Gin I might start renting out my parents. Could be a nice little earner for when I'm on mat leave . Congrats on your appt and for being 'normal' whatever that means! I hope you feel reassured. Lovely to hear the heartbeat too. I tear up at the thought of shazlett so I know how you feel.
Sweetie as Mariana said you are carrying and nurturing these babies and giving them everything they need to grow. I had a chat with my acupuncturist about this when we were considering options and she said that there is evidence now that so much of the mother crosses the placenta to the baby. They are already part of you. I'm slightly envious of your scans. Are they regular because of the twins?
Mariana I hope you and trenchlet are feeling better. I think your thank you card is sweet. I'm sure it will be much appreciated.
MrsH lovely to hear your little MissH's heartbeat too. Now that I'm feeling shazlett I realise that I was probably feeling her for a while. I'm intrigued by the Chinese predictor! I keep reading old wives tales but they contradict each other and because we don't want to know the sex I don't think I should delve too far into it all!
Hello to everyone else. I hope all those on holiday are having a lovely time
I held my 2 day old niece yesterday and realised that I've never even seen a 2day old baby before let alone held one. She is absolutely minute and so helpless. I can't get my head around having one inside me. I got abit choked when DP held her.
Crikey this is the slowest bus in the world. I'm never going to get to work.
Have a good day all. X
Hey all sorry for being a bit quiet; things just chugging along here. Still no movement this way......
sweetie I just wanted to add that I don't look at all like my mum anyway, so who's to know? They'll get your habits and characteristics
and neuroses etc etc even if they don't get your looks.
shaz I'm jealous of all the nesting, and also the movement. Only a week till your scan, hey?
mariana at gushing card, it is good to show appreciation
shazza the outside world isn't always pretty, how sweet to hold your niece
My niece looks more like me than my sister, people don't think my sister and I are related, I also look more like my aunt than my mum, perhaps there is too much inbreeding in my family
twinks thank you for the message, there are reasons why I don't chat on the board, those that have been concerned about me have PMed me so I can not imagine that the others that worried
well thank goodness tomorrow is Friday
shaz Sorry for remembering so late you asked for this. I thought it was in Dulwich but it is actually in Catford I think, so depends on easy you can get there.
(the NCT nearly new sale thing)
Hi all. Sorry for being quiet. Had our NT scan on Tues, appt took three hours but all was well. I always expect it to be bad news so it takes me a while to readjust when all is well! Both measure just about on date
promised DH not to obsess about one being one day under and we're very lively. Consultant and registrar were ridiculously lovely...planning the birth (they are hoping for normal but talked a c section through just in case), scans (having one every four weeks unless I want more, bliss), drugs (four lots of the most expensive stuff they could find to stop the sickness...was still sick today but much better which is amazing!) and How Not To Worry too much. God bless the NHS, their advice was worth millions to me and I came out smiling, actually smiling for once!
Back to worrying ish now. Won't buy anything yet but do feel we can plan now so maybe that is progress.
buzzy glad things are ok, do you have a scan soon?
shazza you are sounding seriously mumsy in a lovely way! Your rents sound awesome. Put me on the list to hire them first for decorating please! My mum lives in Sydney and I miss her at times like this.
sweeite these are your babies. The most obvious thing that my daughter has inherited from me is impatience, and I'm sure that isn't genetic! I teach loads of kids from all sorts of backgrounds, and they all represent their parents in many ways. It's lovely.
mrsH, gin, expat etc and all of those of you who are a little further along, how are things? We need a recap of who is where as some people must be getting pretty close to d day now..anyone fancy doing it? .I am 13weeks tomorrow, how did that happen?!
mariana I think it's really important to remember the people who helped along the way. I bet the consultant was chuffed to bits with the card. I always get the impression that they really do care. Mine remembers so much about us that isn't even in our notes. I think you are right with your spreadsheet theory. Maybe if we all rated our anxiety and spreadsheet usage out of 10 I could put all the data in excel and create a nice little graph?
Hi dildals, ceara and anyone I have missed out.
I am of the belief that the NHS is the best thing about the UK. I have had exceptional care from them over the past few years - hence the gushing.
Scan sounds great Crisps. Glad to hear you were smiling!
Congratulations crisps wonderful news. You lucky twin people with all the scans... One day is nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Gettit? ;)
buzz me too, my niece looks exactly Luke me as a child, nothing like her parents... You doing ok on the crazy-scale?...
I'm 18 weeks. Still feels like a game/dream...
Mariana I think a gushing card is a lovely idea. You should have seen/read the card I wrote to our donor, but I don't care as it was very heartfelt.
Crisps I am pleased your appointment went so well and you came away with all the advice you did. My twins were so wriggly they couldn't get a fold measurement on one twin at all. My consultant appointment was a bit of a let down really, apart from finding out the monthly scans bit, as they didn't give me any info. I suppose I didn't ask much either so my own fault. I will ask more next time as it will be more real then I think. I am not knocking the NHS at all as I have been very well treated when it has been required too, as has my family too.
Shazza you mentioned seeing an acupuncturist, have you been tempted to continue since been pregnant? The only reason I ask is that I used to see a fertility/maternity reflexologist when TTC. I found these sessions great for relaxation and also an outlet for my worries and concerns to someone who could offer unconditional advice or just listen to my ramblings. I really miss these sessions and would love to go back but am don't want to mess things up with how I am getting on. I would never forgive myself if something went wrong following a session or something. Has anyone else continued any alternative medicine into their pregnancy?
Interesting comments on the genetics of looks, I am not hung on the looks thing
much as I also know loads of friends who look nothing like their genetic offspring. I don't care as I am sure I will get "don't they look like you" comments regardless. I am just so pleased to be having these babies I don't care how it came about.
Hello, do you mind if I come to worry? I got my BFP a couple of days ago after DE IVF and I am incredibly nauseous, shattered etc and the line on the stick this morning was a lovely blood red but my temp was the lowest it's been since implantation (but certainly not low) and I've just found the slightest tinge of beige when I wipe. Is this normal seeing as my period would have been due yesterday? Do the temps mean my progesterone is falling and that I should ring my clinic to see about immediate use of pessaries?
Please help. Today I am ten days past 5-day transfer.
Hi all - not much to report really but thought I would check in. My bump is now big enough that people look at it first rather than my first when I am out and about. If they ask they also look rather sceptical when I say I'm not due until mid-Oct! But I must admit pregnancy does look rather odd, I stare a bit myself when I see other pg women. It makes me realise how hard it must be to have a big beer belly if you are a man, it must really wreck your back.
I am still feeling really good apart from fatigue. Trying to start to cut back at work - and I made a spreadsheet to help me, having been inspired by you all!
crisps good to hear your scan was positive and you had such good care from the sonographer and consultant. I also envy your scans every 4 weeks but as I feel my little one wiggling and kicking every day I do not worry so much that something may have gone wrong. My mum lives far away as well so I know how it feels to miss her. However she is coming to stay for a few weeks around my EDD so I will have her when I really need her.
mariana I hope your and trenchlet's cold has got better! They can be so miserable. I am sure your consultant will just be very pleased to receive your card. Everyone likes to be thanked.
shazza sounds like a dream decorating jaunt really. You mentioned feeling weirdly jealous when hearing about instadiffers even though you are pregnant yourself. I was reading something about IVF the other day out of interest and started to feel really anxious that it is so unpredictable and likely to fail. I completely forgot for a moment that it did actually work for me and here I am 25 wks pg! I think if you have had subfertility it always is an emotional minefield for you regardless of your outcome.
buzzy I also don't look anything like my sister or one of my brothers, who both look more like our cousins. But people always say I look like my mum when I definitely don't, they just go on general appearance, voice and mannerisms.
ceara mrs keep dildals and gin hope you all are well.
juicy welcome to our thread! Are you not taking any progesterone? Most of us on here did for anything up to 14 wks pg (that was me, god I was sick of them by then). If not it may be a good idea to get a prescription, they certainly won't cause any harm.
Can you have a HCG blood test? That should help to reassure you. I temped for about a year before having IVF but not during the cycle itself but temps can be affected by all sorts of things, not just your hormones as I'm sure you know. Last night was a lot cooler than previous nights, at least where I am so maybe that made a difference.
A lot of us on this thread (including me) had spotting at some point in the first few months - and 'hint of beige' does not sound like spotting, it could be lots of things (including a decorating theme ).
Fairy, thank you for your reassurance. Yes, I'm on Agolutin progesterone injections in the bum and my coordinator emailed me to say that I should stick to the protocol until Monday's blood test and then she will ask me to take pessaries thrice-a-day. She said spotting is entirely normal and you're right: hint of beige is far more likely to be a shade of gloss in B&Q than anything to worry about. There's nothing there now when I wipe and I've had no cramping with it.
Congrats on your bump
sweetie does your donor know about your bfp?
Hi juicy - congratulations and welcome! Tell us your story... I think you should stop temping as i don't think it's helpful. As for the bleeding, loads and loads and loads of people have it, esp around the time of the first and second periods. We all freak out. Do you have a scan arranged? Blood tests to check the hcg is rising? And to check your progesterone is high enough? Oh, I've just seen the next post. Well that's good, and surely injections must be getting enough progesterone in. Hang with us. We are all mental, for sure until 12 weeks, and then a little
not much less
I think we see shades that other people wouldn't notice...
Thanks, Keepitgoing, I am more worried that my rather severe nausea has disappeared. I know it's early for sickness but boy! have I had it over the past four days. Lovely, reassuring rising vomit. And today it's gone
Hi all. Flying visit as just back from my last bit of work travel and am cream crackered.
Juicy welcome and congratulations! Your sicky feeling would have been from the hcg injection and/or supplements. Pregnancy symptoms don't usually start until around 7 weeks so fret not. Ha! Spotting at around 5 weeks sounds perfect to me - something snuggling in there.
Shazza We've all struggled so much to get where we are it will probably always stay with us. I find group meetings of friends with kids much much easier now I'm heavily pregnant but feel jealous of those who've popped out 2 or 3 without apparently any issue. One of my nieces is pregnant and she's so happy to be pregnant the same time as me and thinks it's a fantastic rich environment for her baby. She makes me feel really small minded but I'm even jealous of her! She's so young and can have all the children she wants. I am bitter and twisted and evil.
Also, with your big scan coming up you're going to be anxious. Roll on next week. Is it next week? I think you also asked about the uppababy. A friend has one. Don't know what model it is but it's a tank. She lives in a loft with an industrial sized lift so you don't really notice. It is a beautiful pram though and I would have gone for the same if they sold them over here.
Sweetie it's totally true about offspring not looking the same. I'm one of 6 and we all are different heights, hair colours and build. A friend had Greek donors (both) and she's rosy faced and blonde but her little boy is totally her son - it's the little mannerisms that do it. Also you switch on genes when pregnant so definitely have a role in what they'll be.
Great news about your scan crisps
I think someone else had a scan but can't find the post.
I am 30 weeks tomorrow. Getting hopeful and more confident but also having massive meltdowns. I'm feeling very emotional about my little boy - we didn't get so far with him. I'm crying even as I type this (looking like a nut in the office).
Hello to everyone else. Sorry to miss lots of news - will have a read through during the weekend.
Oh al... Well done for getting to 30 weeks, and sorry you are sad about your little boy. I'm sure he's watching out over his little brother/sister. X
Hey expat. I totally get it about missing your little boy. We had completely processed and moved on and have now found that a new pregnancy just makes it all very difficult. However I do think that having that amount of love and care just shows what a wonderful parent you will be. Don't feel bad about being sad, it's natural. As long as you're able to be happy about this baby at the same time, it's all good I think.
juicy when you have a spare day or two, see if you can find our old thread...same name as this one without the part two. If you read through everything and follow it through you'll see that most of us have had disappearing symptoms, spotting etc at one point or another. It won't stop you worrying (trust me nothing will if you are like us!) but hopefully it will give you some reassurance. Practically everyone here is From IVF and years of ttc so you're in the right place. Try to distract yourself with something inane if you can, at this stage you just need to let time tick on, do you have a date for your scan yet? I found getting to the first scan the most difficult as I just did t feel pregnant most of the time. However I am now extremely up diffed with twins with horrific all day sickness, winner! Hth.
Hi everyone else! Will post more over the weekend. Have a blessed hour to myself before DH and dd arrive back home so am eating some prawns (not technically good for preggos but it's my current craving and I'll take all the calories I can keep down at the moment) and catching up on big brother. Have just realised I sound like a right loser. Hey ho!
juicy as everyone said before, don't worry about the spotting. The meds have made your uterus the most blood rich part of your body, ready for a little embryo to embed, so it is not uncommon to shed some of that blood.
Expat, Crisps & Dildals, such reassuring words: thank you.
Congratulations on twins, crisps, what a blessing Did you have early strong symptoms? Just askin'....
Expat, I don't know your history or anything but it sounds as though you've experienced a terrible tragedy at some point. I am sorry
Hello sausage and congratulations. I'm a bit late in saying spotting is so common and also hint of beige is probably not even spotting! Erratic nausea has been a common theme on this thread so far too, a good focus for mentalling though!
al, coincidentally tomorrow is the anniversary of the due date of my third baby. I won't mention it to anyone but will be doing a lot of thinking about how that baby should have been one tomorrow. I have felt that finally getting my living baby has made me so much better mentally but it doesn't make me forget the others, their due dates and loss dates will probably always resonate with me. Did you have any counselling? Maybe ask to be referred to the bereavement team? I had a few sessions with a specialist counsellor which helped me order some of my thoughts. I don't think you ever get over a stillbirth though, just learn to live with the sadness. Things got very stirred up for me at about 36 weeks or so, just because I'd got so far and was sure it would go wrong, I had a lot of fear but did a lot of crying on midwives and they were very sympathetic, so don't hold it in. Sympathies to you though, I really do know how you feel.
On a brighter note, we siblings look very different in height, build and colouring and none of us are particularly like either parent.
No cold here anymore, Trenchlet has been a joy today, she has a very quiet little voice and we have intense chats about things. She is on the cusp of starting to laugh and seems to find my singing amusing. She has such a serious expression but such a lovely smile - it's worth all the mentalling!
Just dropping in quickly to say hello to juicy and congratulations on the news from your test. Sorry to add my voice a bit late in the day to all those who've already said that spotting and fluctuating symptoms are a common experience, though it doesn't make it any less terrifying.
For what it's worth, I got properly sore breasts for precisely 2 days following my BFP at 9 days post 5 day transfer, at which point they decided to keep calm and carry on, and haven't hurt since. I spent the next 3 weeks waiting for my scan totally symptom-free and spotting, a complete nervous wreck convinced the scan would show there was nothing in there. Contrary to my expectations, lo and behold at 6+6 all was well, and little one was still hanging in there OK on Monday when I had another scan. I am currently (fingers crossed) 10+1. I still haven't been sick. Nor do my breasts hurt. Only the tiredness is doing what it says on the tin in the pregnancy books.
Distraction is your friend while you wait it out, though I am rubbish at following this advice myself, so apologise for the hypocritical suggestion. It is a lovely day here and I hope the sun is also shining where you are and you can get outside and enjoy.
I don't think a temperature is low unless it's below your coverline and even then you need to see a trend, not one day's anomaly. I tend to think monitoring temps after IVF is the road to madness but that is just how I found it affected me, so I stopped before test day.
I will catch up with the rest of the thread later today - sorry, I have been lurking occasionally this week but been too wiped out after work to post!
Thank you, Mariana and, Ceara, your post really reassured me, thank you very much. Nice to hear you're tootling along and great to hear about your little one, Mariana.
Hey girls, quiet in here innit? Does that mean noone's worrying...? Fat chance
shaz good luck for the scan on Thursday. 12 days till mine.
ceara great news that all is going well
juicy any news? Have you had a blood test yet?
I have to
heart breakingly confess that I'm not preggo but the lovely Juicy has recommended I come to this thread to share my problem as you are all so lovely and knowledgable.
I need a little advice. My ET was was last tuesday and on the friday I lost some brown blood when I went to the toilet. It carried on all day then on friday night around 11pm I lost some red blood when I went to the toilet.
The red blood only happened once but ever since I have been loosing brown blood. It has slowed dramatically but still happens at least 3 times a day.
I have spoken to my clinic and they said there's nothing they can do but I should start using 3 progesterone pessaries instead of the 2.
My OTD is friday, I have been naughty and tested with a FRER and its still BFN.
What are my chances of it turning to a BFP? I believe its over but DP is still giving me that little bit of hope by telling me I can't truly know whats happened even though I 'feel' I do. I feel it is far too much brown blood to be implantation. Did I loose the embryo with the red blood?
Thank you in advance and sorry for gatecrashing!
Hi malibu, sorry I'm not going to be much use but didn't want to read and run. All I know is brown blood usually indicates a very slow bleed as it's had chance to turn brown. Implantation bleeding is usually just spotting as far as I know so I would be thinking the same as you at this point. But you won't know for sure until you test. How stressful for you though - my sympathies and look after yourself.
wish it could well be implantation bleeding. Apparently the ivf drugs plump up your endometrium so much more than normal that spotting is almost to be expected. I also have read some research online about bleeding when pregnant and it was incredible- some women in the study bled enough to use 2-3 towels per day for 3-5 days and still had successful pregnancies. That would have been for me pre pg a normal if not slightly heavy AF!
I totally understand your pessimism and would be feeling the same way in your shoes but as mariana says don't give up hope.
Ah interesting fairy, the plumped up endometrium makes sense. Waiting to test is ghastly though, there should be an instant 'occupied' sign that comes on.
I'm still alive! Have had a lovely 3 days living in a loved up bubble with DP. We have been out and about enjoying the sunshine and doing arty things.
Wish I'm so sorry to hear about your bleeding. It must be unbearable. Has the bleeding calmed overnight? Unfortunately I can't tell you if the treatment has worked. I did a test the day before my AF was due and it was bfn then 2 days later it was bfp. I think I would be feeling the same as you but until it gets to OTD there is always a chance. Good luck my friend.
Juicy welcome and many many congrats. It is amazingly worrying isn't it? Like you I had very few symptoms. In fact I was only very tired. I had no sickness and no sore boobs. My boobs started to grow at about 10 weeks. And now my right boob is very itchy but not tender particularly. It is hard, I googled no symptoms at 6, 7, 8 weeks etc and worried about it but it is true, everyone is different. Hold on and take each day at a time. Before you know it you time will have passed. Stay with us it's lovely in here.
Keep how are you? Only 2 sleeps til my scan. Thanks for remembering. I'm very nervous and swing from thinking all is fine when I feel shazlett move to panic that she isn't growing enough. Have you felt anything definite yet? Some days I feel her more than others.
Dildals. Thanks for the link. I didn't go in the end. It still feels abit soon silly I know but I suddenly felt overwhelmed at the thought of having to think about what we need. Also we are borrowing stuff so I'm going to see what comes in first. How was your holiday?
Crisps. Congrats on your scan. Great news. Are all 3 of you ok?
Sweetie I'm still having acupuncture. Not weekly now cause I can't afford it but about every 3 weeks. I love it and credit her with this pregnancy (well obviously me and DP did the nitty gritty but I doubt id be here without her). She specialises in fertility and pregnancy though so I guess choose your practitioner carefully. Apparently acupuncture helps with MS and labour. Maybe that's why I haven't been sick?
Fairy I know what you mean about forgetting that treatment worked. I keep forgetting I'm pregnant and everytime I open the fridge I see all the boxes of drugs ready for use. Part of the emotion about my new niece last week was my imagining what it would have been like if we had gone through with treatment and it hadn't worked. Unnecessary worry!
Expat wow you are so close. Are you getting excited now? How are you feeling physically? Are you still doing your Pilates?
Mariana I love reading about your trenchlet. It makes me so excited to meet shazlett. Who has incidentally just woken up and is wriggling in my belly as I write about her. It's funny cause in RL I always refer to shazlett as 'he'.
Hello to everyone else. I hope you are all ok and had a good weekend.
Aw, nice to hear about your loved up bubble shazz. Try not to worry about the scan (oh ho ho), I'll remind you that the vast majority are totally fine.
I'm always having thoughts about how I would be coping if I didn't have Trenchlet. (I've put a photo of her on my profile if anyone wants to see what a 10 week old looks like. And because I am showing her off!)
Another Top Tip is reading AIBU threads while night feeding. The outrage keeps me awake.
Oh she's just gorgeous!! You lucky thing...
shaz I've not felt anything yet... Am 18+4; fret fret. We try and alternate he/she, ie if one says he the other says she. We're not finding out the sex, are you?
PS if you are feeling movement surely she must be growing well!
She's so gorgeous Mariana! Absolutely adorable.
Mariana she is soooo lovely. Thank you for sharing. No wonder you are so in love.
Keep no we aren't going to find out. I think it's a boy though. No reason I just feel that it's time for a boy in our family so I reckon chances are its my turn. I didn't feel anything definite until about 19 weeks and then realised that I'd probably been feeling something for a week or so. But didn't you say that you would feel it later due to placenta?
Wow, Marina! What a beautiful baby!
Just thought I'd let you all know I had by beta hCG test yesterday and the result was 1,375 at 13dp5dt! I have another tomorrow morning and then a scan in a couple of weeks to check for heartbeat(s!)
Best wishes for your scan, shazz.
Brilliant news sausage, another step forward.
Thank you for the compliments, she is great. I look forward to seeing the causes of all our worries in time!
No boys in my family for nearly 100 years now shazza, we all keep thinking we'll be the one to buck the trend but nobody has so far. You must be very strong willed not to find out.
Great news juicy. Well done. You will feel better once you have seen the bean and heartbeat on screen. It's magical.
DP doesn't want to know Mariana and I'd never be able to keep it a secret. I keep trying to imagine giving birth and asking what is it? It is a strange feeling.
Even if you do know, you still ask when they are born as it's never 100% anyway but it would be a surprise if it wasn't what you were expecting. I couldn't face resolutely not discussing two sets of names. Actually, is thinking of names for twins fun or just really difficult?
Thinking of names for twins is a lot of fun! Everyone who comes through our house has to give a few name suggestions! We have a baby book with 7000 names on our kitchen table. We are especially enjoying coming up with the most ridiculous names ever, even though we will never do that to them!
We've actually already decided on names, but still, quite funny to hear people's suggestions!
Oo dildals I'm dying to ask you! We've given up on the name discussion. DP gets really stressed and abit angry about it so its not fun anymore. I'm just doing it on my own and am quietly waiting for the moment that Mariana told me about when he is so shocked and in awe about the birth/baby he will agree to anything
I've had a very busy day and have realised that I need to start slowing down the schedule abit. Just not quite as up to all the running around.
I promise you'll get your own way then Shazz. It surely never fails.
juicy that is one high HCG level! No wonder you feel sick already. Are you taking bets on whether it's twins? I hoe you've stopped temping now!
shazza If you dont' mind me asking, why does your DP get stressed and angry about name discussions? Does it feel premature to him? Or do you have v different views on names? I've been lucky in that my DH and I have had no problem agreeing on names for DS and now DD to be.
When I gave birth to DS I was told he was out (I had a spinal block for the CS) and then when I heard a baby crying I asked the anaesthetist whether that was my baby. He said very kindly 'there aren't any other babies in here". Duh!
keep a woman in my antenatal yoga class didn't feel her baby kicking until 27 weeks and everything is fine. She must have been freaking out.
Hello everyone else. I have a problem that I'd like to see if anyone else shares. I have real difficulty emptying my bladder fully. During the day I can ignore it, but at night it drives me round the bend because I get up, go to the loo, hope it's all taken care of, go back to bed, realise I still feel uncomfortable, get up, nothing, back to bed, etc repeat for an hour at a time. Apparently it's caused by my womb pressing on my bladder but does anyone have any advice? I find if I lean forward on the toilet (sorry TMI!) it helps but that's about it.
I don't mind you asking. He says that he feels enormous responsibility about the names and when he likes something he goes over and over it in his mind and 2 weeks later can't imagine calling his child that name. We mostly don't agree on names and just when I think we have he goes and changes his mind. What is doubly frustrating for me is suddenly he has decided that his favourite name is the name that our friend has just given her newborn boy and he won't shut up about it. Never mind that I would never in a hundred years call my son that name because my cousin has already called her son that name. Also everyone keeps telling him that the name will magically come as soon as he sees his child. I only believe this will happen if it magically comes from my lips and he is so deep in mariana's post birth daze that he thinks the voice has come from divine intervention! Re the weeing. I went 3 times in half an hour yesterday. I do drink a lot and have always wee'd a lot but I can always go again. I heard ages ago that you should lean backwards to empty your bladder which seems counter to the instinct to bend over and squeeze it all out.
Mariana clearly you should have had twins
I actually think it's a tough one as you presumably don't want them to be a rhyming pair but give them individual names, but ones that sound nice together. I found it hard picking a name that went with DD1s name.
Shazz, that sounds tricky. If I were you I'd decide what I wanted, what I might compromise on and then not mention it for a few weeks to take the pressure off him.
I've never understood this notion that babies suit their names instantly, all newborns look like boiled prawns to a greater or lesser degree and I think they only start to suit their name after a few weeks and their personality is properly developing.
Juicy great HCG result, we didn't have a HCG but I tested really early and got a BFP with my twin result.
Shazza it is so difficult choosing a new persons name and I understand the pressure this puts everyone under. We can not decide or agree on names either and have only had the discussion once as it got so heated. We came to the compromise that we would name one twin each after DH seriously suggested Eric & Ernie or Bert & Ernie
FFS I know we have ages to go yet and may be we will broach the subject after our 20 week scan when we know what we are having. I hope you can get your situation resolved.
Mariana lovely photo of Trenchlett she looks very alert for only 10 weeks. I was imagining 10 weeks only babies to look a lot more helpless. Such a little love I am sure.
I am going to have to find a more comfortable position for sleeping as it is getting uncomfortable to sleep on my tummy. I have tried sleeping on my side but seem to drift back onto my tummy. How does a pillow between knees help? I have seen this suggested but not sure how this will help.
sweetie I think the pillow helps to align your pelvis, so it's good if you have issues there. I managed to sleep on my tummy for a long time by pulling one leg up, so your body is pulled up ever so slightly, making room for tummy. Now I quite like to sleep with my leg over the pillow with the pillow supporting the bump ever so slightly. Although I can easily sleep with the pillow as well. So haven't had to invest in to one of those special preggo pillows yet.
On names. Both me and DH are quite in to athletics so our favorite set of comedy names were Mohammed and Rudesha, after Mo Farah and David Rudesha, although we did agree that this would put some pressure on their 10k and 800m times. My colleague suggested Javier and Raminder, which had me in stitches. Another colleague came up with Cecil and Aurelien, seriously. I quite like Roman/Latin names, I love Phaedra and Minerva, but that is never ever going to happen. We both also like Trixie but we're not sure we have the guts! As I said we agreed on names that we both like and sounds nice, but will still allow the kids a normal life. Oh, and the one Dutch name I like is Beertje ... not a good name for a kid growing up in the UK ... The baby name book by the way suggested 'Sparkle' as being a Dutch name! Well ... I don't think so!
fairy I do get that occasionally too, that I think I need to go and then only a little bit comes out. Ten mins later. I need to go again. Same thing. I don't know what it is and don't have a cure for it either! I am already happy when I don't wee myself TBH.
We had work drinks today and I found myself talking about C-sections and birth with the (male, gay) head of our department. Quite surreal. He then mentioned that one of his female friends, a doctor, quite adamantly wanted a c-section. So I said 'oh was she an obstetrician?', no he said 'she's a urologist'. Ah. Point taken. Let's change the conversation!
Also - I can't tell anyone at work yet but I can tell you. So. They hired a new person to do my role (because I got a new job within the same company for when I come back from leave), and they have hired a pregnant woman! She obviously was the best one for the job etc, but still, I can't help finding it funny that they hired a pregnant woman to replace a pregnant woman! Anyway!
Chaos and Ruckus - those are their FB names by the way ...
But Dildals surely Beatrix is a fine (and lovely) Dutch name and then you could have Trixie. Beatrix and Gertrude - Trixie and Trudie! Aurelia is very pretty, Phaedra would be mispronounced I suspect. Minerva is lovely too, could be Minnie for short, very sweet. (I'm getting into this, I must have another baby. Ahhaha.)
It shows a refreshing lack of prejudice to replace one pregnant woman with another.
juicy, wow, what a great number. How many do you have in there again?!
shazz and keep, you are so strong willed to keep the gender a surprise. Good luck with your scan shazz. I am sure you will feel your little one soon, keep.
dildals love the names. I guess it is double the fun as well as double the responsibility, knowing that you have two to choose.
fairy, sorry, no cure from me either, just sympathy.
Mariana, she is just lovely, and looks so interested to be meeting the world, too. Thank you for sharing the picture.
I think it is right that the emotional experience of fertility problems does not leave you. I know I still feel and react to things like an infertile person who happens to be pregnant, and I imagine it will always be a part of me, whatever happens with this pregnancy. It is reassuring to know that these feelings are kind of normal.
I had my scan yesterday at the Fatal Medicine Centre and go back in 2 weeks for the blood test results and nuchal scan. Terrified already. The good news is that little one is still in there and growing nicely. My subchorionic bleed remains asymptomatic and appears to be rapidly reabsorbing; the doctor I saw at the FMC was not concerned and confirmed that the placenta seems unaffected. So, cautiously, phew. (And let that be a lesson to me to stay away from Dr Google and his scary stories and statistics...)
Hi to everyone else too. buzzy, hope you are doing OK.
Mariana you have found your calling. You know people hire doulas, well you could hire yourself out as a name consultant!
Ceara congrats on your scan. It is scary but they are nice aren't they? Very glam. I had a super glamourous doctor called Barbara. This 2Ww was torturous. Luckily I never had to go through the IVF 2Ww so the harmony was my first one. I caved in half way through the 2nd week and called them but they wouldn't give the results on the phone. The good thing is that if it is a 'bad' result they will call you and get you in earlier. So no news is good news. Fingers crossed for you.
Sweetie I fear our DPs were separated at birth. I'd bet a lot of money that my DP would also be championing both Eric and ernie and Bert and Ernie if I had 2 in there! Re sleeping, like dildals I am still using a normal pillow to my side tucked between my legs and my boobs. I also rest my top leg on this pillow and slightly tuck it under my bump. I'm thinking to progress to the bolster pillow that Mariana recommended a while back though as I'm starting to wake up with stiffness and a 'dead' hip.
Dildals. Love the sporty names. I laughed outloud. I bet last year someone did give those names to their babies born during the Olympics! I'm impressed with the hiring of the pg woman. And congratulations on the new job. I know that you were hoping for that last time we met up.
Hello to everyone else. All ok?
I'm aching all over and have a funny taste in my mouth. (Maybe I'm pregnant! Just remembered that a funny taste in mouth was a sign of early pregnancy ). I feel like I'm coming down with something and the timing is awful as we are very busy at work. Also lower back pain. I was standing a lot on Monday afternoon and I suspect that has caused it. I've got acupuncture tonight so hopefully she will be able to help with that.
Oh bit moany this morning. Sorry about that! Have a good day. X
Foetal, not fatal.......... well done on the good scan ceara
fairy I too have the wee issues. Sometimes I go for hours, but then when I Ho I feel I need to go again after ten mins. I think tea makes it worse, possibly the caffeine. Dh says its in my mind and I'm imagining it, and to some extent that's true, I can force myself to ignore it. I wonder if its irritation of some kind. I'm lucky that I'm better at night. Have you tried stopping drinking two hours before bed?
shaz you're right, I did say the placenta will make me geek movement later. But since when has rationalism stopped us mentalling?? I won't properly worry till 22 weeks. There's the scan to get through first....
sweetie I'm sleeping the same as shaz with the pillow. Getting better at not rolling over.
shaz sorry you're having problems on name discussions, but plenty of time for all that. It is a big responsibility, true, but not as much as actually bringing them up!!
dildals I like Beatrix and Minerva and then you could have Trixie and Minnie as mariana says! How do you pronounce "Beertje"? "beart-a"? Probably not a good idea in the UK as you say but there must be Dutch names that are not tricky for anglophones.
I'm impressed that your company has hired another pg lady but I guess that is something they are not strictly speaking allowed to take into account anyway. When is she starting? My replacement isn't starting until mid Sept (grrrr) which means I am going to be training her until I am about 38 weeks (if not longer ), which I'm not really that happy about as I would like to have the freedom to leave earlier if I feel like it. Congrats on the new job!
And yes I have 'leakage' as well as the not being able to go problem. It's just a tiny bit but still annoying. I didn't have either problem with DS so I guess everything has just loosened up inside - and I had a c-section so that doesn't mean your pelvic floor is necessarily spared!
shazza sounds like DP just can't get his head around a name yet but you've got lots of time.
ceara glad to hear that your scan went well and the bleed is reducing. Dr Google is often unhelpful but it is really impossible to resist when you are worried about something.
keep I would be rather put out if my DH said the wee problem was all in my mind! Although there is a psychological element to it in that when you start thinking that you have to go it is hard to switch off. Caffeine does make it worse. I try not to have much liquid in the evening but it's hard because I am really thirsty all the time and I get a dry mouth.
Yes I was pissed off too, but I do think that if I ignore it it goes away... If your wee is clear it means you are well hydrated, then try chewing some gum. It helps with the dry mouth and feeling thirsty!
Trixie and Minnie are lovely, but we have already discarded these and agreed on 2 other lovely names which will remain undisclosed!
The reason we weren't bold enough for Trixie was also because, combined with our last name, it sounds a bit like a stage name! We had visions of her sliding upside down a pole with glitter platforms with that name! :-)
fairy not sure when she will be starting, she still has to give notice so not unlikely she won't be here when I go. We'll see.
My DH said the other day that my bum was developing 'motherly curves'! How is that for comments that you don't want to hear! ;-) Does this man not value his life?
I did get complimented on my neat compact bump yesterday. I passed on the comment to DH, with a knowing head nod. Hmm!
I got 'I can't believe you're 4.5 months' last night. I told them not to say that else I'll worry
fairy if you need/want to go earlier then just do. That's their prob not yours, and you won't care once you're out of that door!
keep great proofreading :-) Effing autocorrect on phone.
The FMC (take that, autocorrect!) was indeed very plush and glamorous, down to the basket of individual hand towels in the loo :-) The (equally glamorous) doctor who saw us was also really caring and lovely. Definitely a good recommendation, shazz, though as you say the 2ww is going to be excruciating!
ceara, great that your subchorionic hematoma is reabsorbing. Mine had gone by 12 weeks.
'Motherly curves', dear god dildals. I know you don't want to say but have you chosen anything vaguely Dutch?
Keep, ha at fatal medical centre. I cannot bear told anything is all in my mind. All I ever tried for weeing was leaning forward and then back. I think a physio told me something about that once. Having a section doesn't save your pelvic floor, apparently lots of strain is caused from just carrying the baby/ies.
I would be a great name consultant, but only girls names as boys just aren't as interesting!
mariana not even vaguely Dutch! I don't like any of the Dutch names!
Not even Jip and Janneke?!
Trenchlet has been feeding for 2 and a quarter hours now. I assume she's having a growth spurt.
ceara great news on your scan and the bleed too
fairy its a bit risky of your employers to leave training that late, what id you go into early labour or something ??? Not trying to scare you or anything
mariana how long still can't get over how beautiful she looks
I am loving the names on here
dildals at least he said motherly curves, mine would most likely say 'is your arse bigger'
Well I had a scan today 10w2d this is furthered I have been, say junior waving, I had all my blood tests done today as well, its all starting to feel a bit real now but still have a long way to go, no more scans until 12w4d now eeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkk
for spotty!!! well done you!
End of work could not have come too soon today!
Dotty. Great news on scan and getting this far. You have been through so much and been so brave. Hang on in there
Fairy definitely leave when you want/need to. It is work's problem not yours. You could make a handover manual. That's what I'm going to do. I've got no intention of answering the phone when they call me asking the questions that will inevitably come up!
Dildals you have my sympathies. DP told me I'm definitely fatter now! My bro was there and even he said 'I don't think you should say that mate. It's not going to go down well!' Too bloody right it didn't . I'm curious re names for twins. You have 2 names <very envious!> how will you choose which twin to give which name?
Ceara glad it worked out for you. I used the loo and it's towelling hand towels and posh hand cream many times to get my money's worth. Forgot to tell you that they give you a DVD of the next scan. Now that's value for money!
Mariana I'm with you on boys names. So hard. Yet I'm sure I'm having one so I'd better get one lined up. Maybe trenchlet has hollow legs?
On my way to acupuncture. Am hoping for back pain relief. Have a good evening everyone.
Ceara, that's great news about your scan
My second beta hCG today measures 2,571 and my heartbeat scan is next Friday at 6+1 wks. I'm so ridiculously happy and grateful to be feeling pukesome all the time
Spotty, are you formerly known as buzzy? Congratulations on being well on your way there at 10+2, what a thrill! Did the bleeding stop in the end?
spotty yaay!!! Hurrah to getting this far, I am so pleased for you. It must be momentous to pass the point of your previous losses - though I imagine brings them back to mind as well. Your next scan must be 2 days after mine (mine is scheduled for 12+4 too but I think I am 2 days ahead of you, is that right? I'm 10+5 today). It's a long old wait, isn't it? At least the sun is going to shine for most of it (apparently?!) which I think always makes it easier to distract yourself and keep positive.
Are you still on the drugs, by the way? My other news, which I forgot in the scan excitement, is that I came off hormone support at the weekend. I thought it would be such a good feeling when that day came, to be medication free after 3 long months of stabbing and pill-popping, but actually it was mainly just scary to have the stabilisers taken off. A very unnerving feeling, trusting my body to just get on and do what it's supposed to on its own :-) I guess like all the other feelings we all go through, this too is completely normal!
fairy it is natural to worry about about work handover as we are all decent and conscientious people. But you seem to have an enlightened employer and honestly, succession planning is your line manager's responsibility though of course you want to leave things in good order. Tying up what loose ends you can and a comprehensive set of handover notes (started early and added to over your final weeks) should be fine and will help your successor get up and running - ready to hand over to her own maternity covet in due course!
dildals my DH routinely tells me my bum looks big. Motherly curves would honestly be a compliment from him :-)
Mariana good god, HOW long??
shazz, thank you for the information about the DVD. I wasn't expecting such luxuries. Their whole package really is amazing value, especially for the level of professional skill and care you receive.
juicy, great news, it is mad that feeling sick can make you happy but that is the topsy turvy reality of this roller coaster, isn't it?
juicy sorry no but congrats on your HCG levels, always a relief when they go up
ceara I shall be on a the drugs for some time yet, I start weaning at different stages, looking forward to the end of the progesterone though but I can understand the feeling about going solo without the stabilisers I am 10w2d so will be 12w4d when I have my scan. So you were impressed with FMC?? I am thinking of going there for my 20 week scan
Would be nice if the weather did improve no summer holiday planned which means which means we have to make do with whatever happens here
shazza I too wondered about naming the twins, first one out etc, i will go into early labour if they found my replacement before I left, its not in their nature to think that far ahead, I think you also went to FMC didn't you??
Well I am supposed to be cleaning while he is cooking so better get back to it
Spotty that's great - hope you're enjoying a day or so of reassurance. It's hard reaching and surpassing the point of previous losses - yet another difficulty to deal with.
Good levels, juicy, hope that makes you feel better too.
I've never been there but have only heard good things about the FMC, Nikolaides and the research they do. Even from my NHS consultant although she dissuaded me from going there as she said I'd get as good care on the NHS, but I was lucky to be a patient of an extremely good consultant at an extremely good hospital.
After the feeding marathon earlier she's just had a 20 minute feed. That's more like it. To be fair I could have detached her this afternoon but we were both comfortable on the sofa, I'm sure half the time she was dozing and comfort feeding but DD1 was at nursery so it didn't matter. It's all calories burned though which must be good for the size of my womanly arse, pity about the Galaxy I then ate to compensate.
spotty I have been impressed so far by the FMC and their reputation is excellent. My choice to go there does not reflect on the quality of the care I believe my local hospital provides. However, for the chromosomal disorders screening, I believe the FMC will be able to give us a more accurate risk assessment, not least because of the Harmony test which of course the NHS don't yet offer. This was important to us. Moreover, we will have the results a good 2 weeks before the NHS's results would come through, and the waiting is excruciating enough without prolonging things.
I was also attracted by the opportunity for more scans, of course :-) I have not spotted badly enough for the EPU to bother with me, knowing as they did from my IVF scans that the pregnancy was in the right place. Which is fair play as there are better uses for the resources. However, as a paranoid IVFer I would have gone insane long before the first NHS scan at 13 weeks, hence gritting my teeth and "going private".
I'm not sure I would go to the FMC at 20 weeks, if we are lucky enough to get that far, but I would definitely consider the 32 week scan there if the pregnancy has gone well enough that the NHS criteria aren't triggered.
I'm on the bumpiest bus in the world to my scan. Shazlett must be wondering what on earth is going out out here.
Cutest thing ever though, the little girl behind me had just said' I love you mummy' to her mum. I'm welling up.
Juicy congrats on your hcg levels. I don't know anything about indicative levels. Could that be high enough for 2 do you think?
Ceara well done for stopping the drugs. Another milestone passed. It is a worry but your body will take care of everything. It is marvellous. I was also enticed by extra scans, I had 5 before 13 weeks! I'm so nervous about this one. I hope it goes as well as the others.
Spotty yes I did go to FMC. I'm having my 20 week scan with NHS but think ill go back to FMC for a final one if I don't get another NHS one. I don't want to know the sex though so the more I have now the more I risk finding out or accidentally seeing something on the screen.
Mariana womanly arse? Motherly curves seems to be the coined phrase now glad trenchlet has stopped the feedathon. I hadn't thought about calorie burning. I'll have shazlett locked on for hours. Maybe I could get a slendertone and give my abs a workout at the same time
More later once I've checked in with the Pip. Fingers crossed.
Oh I forgot to say I think I saw my tummy move today. I wear a pass on a lanyard around my neck and it jumped up slightly as my belly moved. I'm 21+1 is it too soon for outward kicks?
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Don't well up on the bus Shazza. You'll look like a mad lady.
Best of luck - enjoy!
Great news about your hcg Juicy and scan Ceara.
Keep, I find if I sit up straight and lean slightly forward I tend to tip out more pee. I've had a big head on my bladder for the last few weeks and have a constant horrible feeling of pressure. Hayfever is a nightmare at the moment - after about the 3rd sneeze I have to stand still and really concentrate to avoid a catastrophe!
This thread moves too fast to keep up with. Hope everyone is well and coping with the heat.
expat had to grin at your hayfever comment, I have the same thing where I go 'OH sneeze coming, FOCUS and CLINCH those muscles!
All fine here. She said baby looks perfect. Phew! We looked away when she studied 'down below' and she referred to shazlett as baby throughout. Its funny not to know but im glad we decided not to. It was different to the other scans much harder to make out bits cause you can't see it all at once anymore. The dr wasn't worried though and said they I don't need any more scans unless the midwife detects any problems later on.
I'm so relieved and can't believe that next time I see shazlett she will be out in the big wide world. She was moving loads. its amazing that I can't feel all those movements.
Thanks for all the good wishes.
Laughing about the sneezing. And desperately squeezing the pelvic floor at the same time
Brilliant news shazz. So glad everything is perfect, and a will of steel not to ask the sex! Yes, 20 weeks does feel like a hell of a long time to go without another scan.
Al, I'm sneezing away too but have noticed a dramatic improvement in pelvic floor after only 11 weeks, in that I don't really think about it anymore, so it does recover.
shazz that's brilliant news. Well done to you and shazlett. I am marvelling at your self-discipline over not finding out the sex.
Shazza so pleased all was well at the scan. Amazing that next time you see shazlett will be in the big wide world. Were you nervous in the run up to the scan? You came across very calm.
shazza excellent news on the scan!
Shazz, excellent news on your scan
Can anybody remember being 5 weeks pregnant? You know how nauseous I have been due to my very high hCG levels, well I haven't felt sick in 36 hours. Do I have anything to worry about? I'm still massively tired with very swollen breasts but I recently read the tiredness is probably down to progesterone pessaries
Sorry to sound like a worry wart.
Thanks for the kind words. I'm working from home today cause my back is still very painful. The midwife last night told me to rest otherwise I could end up with something much worse. She told us scare stories about pregnant women having to walk on crutches or wear special belts throughout their pregnancy so I'm being good for once and am going to rest all weekend.
Sweetie I was very nervous and swung from having nightmares about holes in hearts, cleft palates and diaphragmatic hernias (I saw that on one born every minute) to thinking that of course everything would be ok. I've been so lucky up til now I just pray it continues.
Juicy symptoms definitly come and go. I can't tell you the number of times I googled 'no symptoms at 5, 6,7 etc weeks'. You like your juicy red meats don't you?
Re not knowing the sex of shazlett. DP was adamant so there was no way I could know and keep it a secret. It does feel funny cause on here I call shazlett 'she' and in RL we usually say 'he'. But I'm not sure if knowing would mean I would fret more or less. I feel that I need to trust shazlett and my body to get on with the job in hand now. They both know what to do so I'm just going to rest more, keep on top of my nutrition and try to enjoy the second half.
Have a good day. X
shazza so glad the scan went well. I hope you can relax a bit now and enjoy being pregnant. Definitely look after your back. I've started working from home on Fridays just so I can get a different chair to sit in and not have to get to work and back. It feels much more restful. Mind you on a day like this I am severely tempted just to go and sit in the garden and read a book.
juicy my GP told me that hormones are released in bursts and your body will initially react strongly to them and then get accustomed. So it's normal for symptoms to wax and wane and it does not mean that there's anything wrong. It may be that you had an initial reaction to the very quick increase in HCG but that has abated or slowed a bit. It is more common to feel nausea later on, from week 6 or so.
expat and dildals "FOCUS and CLINCH" pretty well says it all.
keep ceara you're completely right about work of course. But I work for a very small company where everyone is pretty well responsible for their own files. I am afraid if my replacement isn't properly trained and prepared she will quit and then when I come back a big mess will be left for me (or worse that I will be pestered through mat leave with those issues). Also, i'm only entitled to the pittance that is statutory maternity pay and I want to be able to present a plausible case to my boss that i am worth more than that and therefore the company should top it up. If I were to say well I'm in my rights to leave and just go it would be harder to do that. I'm the only employee who's ever gone on mat leave twice (and only one other ever went on mat leave ever!) so we don't really have systems set up to deal with it.
Fairy & Shazz, I very much appreciate that info about waxing & waning.
Shazz, yes, I'm a complete meat freak
Hi juicy yes I forgot my acupuncturist said the same as fairy's dr. That ideally your body desks with the extra hormones and makes adjustments accordingly.
Thanks fairy. I'm enjoying the peace of working from home but it is hard knowing that I have to rest all weekend and miss out on sunshine. Sadly we have no garden and I'm not sure I'd make it up to Streatham common even though its not far. I'm going to cheer myself up by finishing my crochet projects this weekend and enjoy having all the windows open.
juicy my GP said much the same as fairy's about fluctuating symptoms. But it is so hard when we are focussing so closely on our bodies and trying to read the runes in each tiny change or twinge. I am not the best source on early pregnancy symptoms, though, as mine have been pretty uniformly unimpressive to date (11 weeks now, so yes I still remember!)
On a slightly different note, I know your betas have been high so you may be cheered by some research which I read at 5 weeks and gained, ooh, a couple of hours reassurance from :-)
This looks at day 14 betas as a prognostic indicator of viable pregnancy. Obviously not something you want to read if your betas are low (been there after my first cycle and the embryo only stayed with us a few days), but working backwards from your high day 18 results, I guess your day 14 beta would have been well over 300 ie off the top end of the scale. According to the research, those levels give you really great odds of a viable pregnancy, as well as a 60% probability it's twins... My beta at day 14 post national EC was well over 200 (with definitely only one in there as I only had a single frozen blastocyst transferred) and I know I found the encouraging stats temporarily helped me manage my insanity. (At least until I hit 6 weeks, still wasn't sick and started spotting, but that's another issue :-) .) Of course, statistics like these are only of limited help to us when we have become accustomed always to being in the small percentages ourselves and our BFPs against-the-odds are testament to that. But it might be a comforting and hopeful thought for 5 minutes or so :-)
fairy fully understand and your commitment and professionalism are a credit to you. I am a small cog in a big wheel myself (though will still worry about my files, because I care). But my DH works for a small third sector organisation so I can imagine how much harder it is for you in a small company. I think at some point though, you have got to wrestle your conscience into a box, sit on the lid hard, and put yourself and the little one first. It sounds as though you are doing all you should and can to prepare for maternity leave with your work left in good order, and I guess keeping the issue of training and hand over on the radar is the best you can do now. You sound a great employee and colleague, I hope they value you accordingly!
Notional not national .. Ignorant ill-educated phone :-)
Ceara, thank you so much for such a detailed reassurance - I feel much better. My betas are indeed high - 1374 at 13dp5dt and 2751 at 15 days past - and the sickness has returned an hour ago with a certain ferocity!
Thanks again to you all.
Ceara, It's a little reassuring to know I'm 'only' six weeks behind you. Everyone else seems so advanced on here!
Goodness knows how I got to 21 weeks though juicy. 5 minutes ago I swear I was 5 weeks worrying the same as you
I promise that in 15 weeks time you will be saying the same to a new person who has joined us and I'll be about to drop
juicy the only real consistent symptom I had was waking up early to go for a wee. Sore breasts came and went, and I had only marginal MS, probably more in my head more than anything. And I ended up with twinnos, which apparently is double the hormones.
juicy I have been very lucky to have very few symptoms as yet. My sore boobs came and went. I noticed my pee went a darker colour regardless of my fluid intake and I was much thirstier than usual. I also had really vivid dreams. I also had cramps near my hip bones and was totally convinced af was on the way or I had an ectopic. am now nearly 15 weeks with twinnys so not that far in front of you either
Ooooh, Dildals and Sweetie, twins! How did you feel when you found out? Was your beta really high? Thank you, both, for assuaging my fears.
Juicy we were quite shocked as we only had 5 eggs so had a day 3 transfer with 2 strongest embies. I didn't have my beta taken but got a strong line bfp 9dp3dt. I didn't feel pregnant
still don't really as I was expecting to feel different. All the time I spent symptom spotting over the course of ttc was a complete waste of time I know now.
Shazza from someone who ended up on crutches, rest rest rest!
I had forgotten the vivid dreams I had in early pregnancy. Mine were all vaguely unpleasant.
The work thing is hard, best thing is to try and forget about it which is so hard after the handover. I love my job and my boss and I know they didn't replace me, so if I dwell on it I start to worry about what is happening with my projects... but there's nothing I can do. I want to enjoy my last maternity leave and worrying about work isn't part of that.
I'm solo parenting again and it's very hard work, I'm already in bed, no point staying up. I hope you all have more fun evenings.
Gosh Mariana you were on crutches? I'm also having a quiet evening. Am in fact doing online grocery shopping! Sleep well.
Yes, right at the end as I couldn't weight bear for a couple of days, it was extremely disabling. Totally vanished when I had her though.
My work have been extremely understanding throughout our treatment and now in my pregnancy. I think this is down to my line manager, who is an older woman who never had kids of her own for medical reasons and it really upsets her that she didn't get her chance to be a parent.
So they have arranged for someone to shadow me and be handed over to during Sept. Then I will be supporting other colleagues for holiday cover and during their busy times plus doing admin from Oct until I go on mat leave, I am thinking mid Nov when I will be 35 weeks.
I have told them I will need more time for regular twin growth scans etc and that I might go off at short notice for medical reasons. So they have said they would rather be prepared for this than leave it to chance. I am really happy with this arrangement too.
juicy no idea, I never had a beta test done. I just peed on the old fashioned stick.
Juicy, my beta was the same as yours and I'm pregnant with just one. I know people who have had lower betas and had twins so it's really hard to tell. It's a nice strong number though.
Shazza, yikes! Did you injure your back or is it more general pain?
Sweetie, an understanding boss makes all the difference doesn't it. Mine is really good too and hasn't complained at all about my absences.
Hey folks. Just dropping in as am shattered and will do longer post I. A day or so. Was in That London (still not a fan, sorry ladies,) for most of the week and then working v late for the rest, clocked up about seventy hours so feel justified in being AWOL to friends and moany!
All good here though.
juicy I am doubly diffed too...twins here....my sickness was ridiculously bad but it still disappeared from time to time. Worry not! I'm 14wks now and like shazza not sure how I got here with all the worrying!
shazza that sounds like a definite kick to me. I felt them really early with DD, 17weeks or so I think. Hope you are feeling ok with your back.
Hi to everyone else! Xxx
Question for the twin-carriers: at what stage do you start to show? Earlier than ladies with singletons?
juicy I think everyone is different on this too. I haven't had a previous pregnancy so nothing to compare to. I would say I am beginning to show a bit but am still in normal clothing. I think I notice but strangers wouldn't know. I feel a bit of a fraud looking at buggies, especially double buggies. Went out with friends last night who all know I am and they said they wouldn't have guessed from looking at me. I just think everyone is different.
juicy I remember being in the work loos at ten weeks, looking at my belly from the side, thinking 'I have just emptied my bowels (sorry TMI), it's five o'clock I haven't just had a big lunch, and that flab there definitely wasn't there before ...' So I started 'showing' if you'd like to call it that at ten weeks. No one else probably would have noticed, but me. I remember borrowing a pair of maternity jeans from my friends because the tummy wasn't comfortable anymore in my skinny jeans. At 13 weeks I announced at work and one of my colleagues asked whether 'I had already started waddling' ... but that was just plain rude! At 25 weeks I (apparently) measure 31 weeks (that is the singleton pregnancy measure). This are my first, so stomach muscles should still be relatively tight, well, I ain't 20 anymore though!...
I hope you are all enjoying the sunshine. I'm still resting at home and am pleased to report a significant improvement. My friend is a cranial osteopath and he said it is a strained sacroiliac joint. I've checked in with dr google and apparently it is very common in pregnancy. I'm not sure how I did it expat. Apparently you can do it in your sleep or reaching from something. Doesn't have to be a huge movement or lifting anything g heavy. It was bloody painful that's all I know. I massively sympathise now with all back pain sufferers. I did some stretches and a little Pilates today. Dr google says rest and gentle strengthening exercises are the way to heal and improve it.
My other latest development are cankles! I've lost my ankle bone under a padding of fluid. And my feet are puffy and smooth. Shazlett has had a growth spurt and suddenly my hip bones and ribs have disappeared also. I've always had prominent hip bones so it feels funny.
Sweetie it sounds like your work is very supportive. I'm lucky that way too although I always feel so guilty. Like on Friday when I asked to work from home.
Crisps I appreciate your feelings about London. I got upset this morning after talking to my very good friend who left London to live in rural Yorkshire. While we were talking her 4 yr old son came up to her with a handful of eggs that he had been to collect and I could hear his little voice telling her that he had dropped one. I realised that I hope to live somewhere that my child can experience a freedom to explore that I don't feel we have here. But it is just my opinion. What do they say? You can take the girl out if the countryside but you can't take the country out of the girl! Hard as I've tried for most of my life to date!
I'm looking forward to comparing bumps on the 3rd! It will be fun to see how much has changed since we last met and I was only about 8 weeks I think.
hey girls, I'm back from
another weekend away. Well, gotta make the most of it as we're home in two weeks!!
I'd say I showed very slightly from about 9 weeks, but only I would know, and I suspect it was largely wind... Now I am almost 20 weeks I catch sight of myself in the mirror sometimes and am surprised, as I just don't feel pregnant! I am still in normal clothes, but have a more limited wardrobe, and many things have had to be put away. I think after we get home I will buy new things, but people are very little here, and there is a very limited mat clothes choice. I live in stretchy skirts, long tops, and leggings.
shaz oh what lovely news on your scan last week. But I'm sorry that you are having such bad back pain. do take care of yourself and don't overdo it.
Cankles - haha. I have had to take off my rings because of my eczema and fat fingers (it's v hot here). I'm hoping that my return to the UK will resolve both these things, as I don't like not wearing them.
crisps good to see how - how's things?
expat sure, you'll be at term soon enough! Over 31 weeks - great going. How are you doing? When will you be on mat leave?
ok, what are people doing about hair removal? I normally use veet but it seems a bit irritated, and I'm worried about chemicals. Waxing I just can't do.... Any genius ideas? I wish I had stumped up for laser treatment...
Hi keep and everyone
I'm still shaving my legs and armpits but to be honest I'm finding that my hair isn't growing as fast. Re bikini i know we have discussed this before. I havent done anything yet but was considering a wax that would see me through. I'll have to do it soon though.
I hope you had a good weekend away. Only 2 weeks left. How do you feel? Are you coming to London? Will you be nearby for the 3rd aug meet up?
AFM I'm going back to the office today. I've realised that I need to talk to my manager about making adjustments to my routine. I've been trying to carry on as normal and I am not able to do that now. Physically I'm slower and now managing pain and cognitively I need to concentrate and not crazily multi task as I usually do. I feel abit overwhelmed trying to manage work, household chores and extra curricular activities and slightly feel like I'm failing if I give in to it and admit that I can't cope as I did before. Anyone else feel this way? What strategies are you employing to manage all of life's demands?
Have a good (non stressful) day
Shazz, at home I had a serious talk with DH about what I could and couldn't do (I usually do everything except supermarket shop and bins). He took on hoovering, mopping, cleaning of bath and shower and other random stuff. He also cooked a couple of times a week and brought me breakfast in bed or at least a cuppa most days. He kept all this up until I was about 6 weeks post section. It makes a huge difference mentally and physically.
At work I had to carry on mostly as normal but due to my SPD I came in later to make sure I could always get a seat on the train and bus.
I gave up extra activities in exchange for rest!
Shazz I hear you on the cankles! I had work drinks on Tuesday and stood for too long, in heels, it took my feet four days to recover. They look relatively normal now, but they constantly feel so hot. On Tue night I sat up with my feet in a bucket of cold water! Glamorous! If anyone has any wonder tips to avoid cankles, let us know!
My SI joint is 'stuck', which is an old injury. My physio suggested stretching (lie on your back and rotate your leg over the other until you feel a gentle stretch in your lower back/buttock area) and another release exercise, my 'stuck joint' is on the left so I do this with left leg only. Find a doorpost that you can plant your left foot against, and lay your other leg flat, at a 90% angle, push your foot against the doorpost (or DH, but the door post is around more often), you will feel the muscles around your SI joint and coccyx tensing, hold for a couple of seconds and gently release. Shimmy up and repeate with a steeper angle. And again (at this point my knee is almost at my belly). Do the stretch I describe earlier and then do the doorpost pushing again. I must say it has helped for me. It makes sense of course to follow your osteo's advice, since you might have something different!
I definitely had the overwhelmed thing going. I feel it's so easy to lose perspective with all the different things that need to be done, not just on a work front, but also at home. Then on top of that there are the relationships that are changing and worries about the future. I find it really hard and I struggle. Because of all this I wake up really early (3/4), wide awake, and fret. I try and talk to DH about it, but I don't think he really understands. Yesterday we had friends over for a BBQ who just had a baby 12 wks ago, and I think he and the fella had a chat because on Sun morning all of a sudden he was offering a massage and was happy to talk to me about my tossing up of vaginal birth vs ELCS, normally not a topic of conversation. The massage by the way was like he was grooming a horse, but the at least the intent was good! :-)
Really looking forward to the 3rd too!
keep I use an epilator for my legs and a razor for my bikini line but my bikini line is defintely a lot more sensitive than it used to be, also a big mole, has gotten even bigger and I keep cutting it. Not helped by the fact that I can't actually see my genitalia anymore ...
I have also developed a fair bit of fuzz on my belly, and initially I ran the epilator over it, but now I am scared the loud noise scares the girls!
Just to add one more pregnancy ailment to the list of locked SI joints, cankles and certain body parts disappearing from vision ... I have developed really dry skin on my face and I have now had 2 'outbreaks' of whatever it is. I get really hot, dry patches, that sting if I put anything on it. It clears up after a couple of days, but in the mean time I look like I have eczema or something similar on my face. My normal moisturizer for dry and sensitive skin makes the reaction worse, it seems to bear E45. Anyone any ideas?
shazza glad you are recovering from your sacroiliac strain. I don't have a problem with cankles although this hot weather may change that. I did have an attack of feeling overwhelmed on Friday afternoon. DH is pretty good about sharing household chores, cooking etc, although I do get up early with DS and make his breakfast and DH's coffee 6 days out of 7, which I'd like to change...We also have a cleaner who comes once a week to do the floors, hoovering, major kitchen and bathroom clean, etc. I am not giving her up when I go on mat leave, it's completely worth the money.
Generally I don't feel worried about the changes the arrival of the baby will bring because I feel reasonably prepared for what it will be like (although who knows!) If anything I am just desperately looking forward to leaving work behind and spending time at home, cooking, looking after DS etc. Probably I will feel dead bored within about 2 weeks but at the moment it sounds like heaven.
The only advice I have is to just let things go. Don't clean the floor, don't feel you have to meet up with friends, don't make that special meal, just lie down instead. I must admit I find this really hard to follow because I get anxious if I don't feel as though I am accomplishing enough on any given day. But that is what I aspire to!
Yes, cut corners. I have an 'essentials' list of housework like cleaning toilets, whereas dusting and hoovering can be skipped. I only iron what absolutely needs ironing too.
Also don't be ashamed of buying more preprepared food if it makes life easier.
Never had the swollen feet or ankles but is imagine that raising them up would help and be a good excuse to do nothing.
Loving this weather but can't breastfeed in maxi dresses or even jam my enormoboobs into them. Unflattering cropped trousers and drapey tops is all I can wear. Frumptastic.
Thanks for all the tips. I know you are right. I need to learn to let some things go. DP is trying to help but unfortunately he is massively stressed about money so I don't feel I can bother him about cleaning the bathroom. But like Mariana I'm developing a list of essential cleaning and just taking those chores slowly. I came in the other day and DP had hoovered and mopped the floors. I don't think I've ever felt happier!
Mariana how is the darling trenchlet? Recovered from her cold?
Dildals thanks for the exercises i can't visualise the doorpost one. Are you laying down parallel to the door? I'm with you on the worrying for the future but I'm trying to think that the adjustments I'm making now are just that, for now. If I think that I have to make changes now to cope for the future it's just too much. I laughed at DHs massage. Bless him. At least he tried. Re noise on belly the one I'm conscious about is the salad spinner. When I'm spinning lettuce and holding it against my side it must sound like an earthquake to shazlett! I use DR Hauschka rose day cream for dry skin.
Fairy ditto on the dreaming of mat leave. At the moment the thought of not having to be on the mousewheel is so exciting. Of course I know I'll have shazlett to look after but I really feel the need to step off the work treadmill and reassess my wants and needs in that dept. I wish we could have a cleaner. We just don't have the money at the moment but I know so many people who have one and say what a difference it makes. I also relate to the feelings of not accomplishing. I used to be able to multi task and whizz through a to do list. I prided myself on my stamina to keep going and get a job done. Now I can barely get ready for work on time. Oh well. I'm growing a baby and that's the best accomplishment I've ever had
How is everyone else? Keep when is your scan this week?
Spotty, ceara, juicy all fine in your camps?
Expat, Gin, crisps, sweetie, MrsH we haven't heard from you for abit you ok?
Nokity Noks. What's occurring in Noks towers with the nipper rascal?
I hope I haven't forgotten anyone.
Have a good day. Shaz x
Growing a baby is no small task so try to remember that!
I used to have a cleaner but can't afford one since we moved but how I used to love getting in from work to a spotless house.
Trenchlet is great thanks, no cold anymore but a bit hot instead. I have her sleeping in nothing but a nappy under a muslin as it's so hot. There is a tyranny surrounding sleeping temperatures for babies but once it's 25 degrees it all gets rather tricky.
Fairy, DD1 has a library book starring a pangolin. I thought of you!
Hello all. I dragged myself into the office but intend to leave as soon as is decent and enjoy the sun.
Firstly, I'm pretty sure I didn't thank everyone for being so lovely when I wrote about my meltdowns. I was really touched and your kindness helped so much. This thread is really great and every day I hope that we all get our pot of gold at the end of the road.
Shazza, I echo what the others have said. Decide what you can let go of. For example, I don't mind the odd bit of dust but bathroom, kitchen and floors need to be clean. I can completely relate to your dp being stressed about money but you're growing a baby and it's only going to get harder so he does need to step in. I'm incredibly lucky in that my work is paying for a taxi home every day I'm in the office which makes a massive difference. DH keeps the kitchen ticking over and does a lot of the cooking and the big dog runs.
I started the BCT (NCT equivalent - used a lot of NCT paperwork) course a couple of weeks ago and there's a part where the trainer held up pictures of what our insides used to look like and what they look like now with a baby taking up a lot of the space. I think for a lot of men it made a difference as they could really see how much of our lung capacity is compromised and how much extra blood/fluid etc we are carrying. DH wasn't that enthusiastic to begin with but is really enjoying the course now.
Dildals, I smiled at your description of your dh's massages. Mine is exactly the same. I use Darphin chamomile oil for dry/sore skin. I put it under my moisturiser at night and it does the job. My skin was like yours 5 or so weeks ago but looks peachy now so hang on in there.
Keep, the due date is slowly marching forward (not quickly enough). I will prob have my cs at the end of August. For hair removal I'm still having waxing. I'm going quite often so there's less to remove and much less painful.
Somebody asked me ages ago why I was going to have a cs and I was a bit vague because I didn't really know. Apparently it is because when the uterus is still small with a preemie the surgeon has to cut through a lot because nothing is stretched iykwim. So next pregnancy when the uterus is stretched at full term the outer scar is low and tranverse but the inner scar can be a lot higher which means a larger portion of the uterus has scar tissue which makes a rupture more likely.
mariana i know what you mean re tyranny over sleeping temperatures. You can always wrap them up warmly but what can you do when the temperature gets over 25 as you say? I think though that it is different if the air temperature is consistently raised because it's warm out than if you wrap them up too warmly at bedtime but they are the rest of the time at a cool temperature. In the former the baby's body will be used to the warmth whereas with the latter they will not be and may not be able to handle it.
On pangolins when my sister was little she made me a book at school that was all about pangolins and I always liked the idea of a 'fairy pangolin' which is actually a rather unusual looking anteater type creature. What is the book called? I'd love to get it for DS.
expat I was the one who asked why you had to have a CS again. Thanks for the explanation, which makes sense. I imagine an elective CS must be the least stressful (depending on the hospital) option in any event. And you don't have much longer to wait! When are you stopping work?
dildals I have had a similar complexion problem in the past (not now thank goodness) and I found that just leaving it alone was the best option even though it didn't look very nice. I also sometimes found it helpful to use a different type of moisturiser every day so I didn't develop a reaction to any particular kind. But skin is very tricky and individual so maybe one of the potions Shazza and Expat have suggested will help.
Very glad to hear how all of your DP/DHs are stepping up to the task!
I have had four people over the past four days tell me how "enormous" or "massive" my bump is. I dread to think what comments will be like when I am over 35 weeks.
fairy I have been using your skin method which seems to work. I think it's just one of those pregnancy things.
I had someone ask me today with a worried face 'how many weeks I had left', haha.
On the shazza discussion on coping, my issue is not so much the household chores and letting the bathroom go musty (or not), it's more about the fact that I feel so totally vulnerable that I will have two children in my life and I want to give them everything, yet knowing that I can't (not just in a monetary sense, but also in an emotional sense, i.e. I will make mistakes and I will want to work or do other things sometimes) Becoming a parent means an eternal sense of guilt and I am already feeling it! Then add to that all the hormones, lack of sleep etc and I easily fall off the slippery slope of adult sense of perspective ... example ... yesterday I went outside and bought an ice cream for which I got charged the princely inner London price of £2.50 (which is a total rip off, even for inner city London! Anyway!) and I immediately start fretting about whether we will be able to take the twins on days out with the current cost of living, which is an absolutely ridiculous thought (when thinking about it rationally, keyword here being 'rational'), because it's not as if we're on benefits and even if we were I am sure we could think of fab days out that would not cost the earth. I can't really explain what it is exacly I guess. It's silly, the cost of ice cream is making me cry now as I type this. God, I will turn in to a full on emo wreck when they arrive, if I am already like this now!
Dildals, I know what you mean about the fear. In my experience you will occasionally feel utterly overwhelmed by all the responsibilities but then get back to getting on with it all and doing the best you can, which is very likely to be 'good enough'!
Oh Dildals, bless you. I thought I was the nuts one but obviously have competition!
It's a huge thing and when we undergo IVF etc we live with fear of failure for a long time but now you're cruising towards a happy ending and it's bound to be overwhelming with a bundle of mixed emotions which aren't helped by heat, tiredness, hormones, aches and pains etc. Totally agree with Mariana that the 'good enough' is just fine.
Dildals I'm with you on the worry about the future. Especially worries about the cost and I've only got one. DP teases me cause when I see something that is hugely expensive I say that we could make that. He says that shazlett will be having homemade everything! Probably knitted homemade everything! Having said that he made an amazing rocket for his nephews at Christmas out of cardboard boxes and bits of stuff. It was fantastic. The boys had loads of expensive presents from the grandparents and guess what they played in everyday? I'm sure it's normal to worry like this. Life in London is so expensive but you can be resourceful. I felt so empowered at the weekend cause I bagged my first baby items from freecycle. Some girl clothes 0-6 months. DP said he was sorry that we can't buy new but I'm happy to be resourceful. I felt proud. Chaos and ruckus will love you with a lolly from Iceland and a play on the swings. Just you wait and see
Fairy you are getting lots of bump comments aren't you? People should mind their own business. At least you know that your little tinkerbell is growing and healthy.
Expat a taxi home sounds blissful. 90 mins on a bus is doing my back no good. The classes sound really interesting. Isn't it amazing what our bodies can do?
Mariana I'm glad trenchlet is ok. Bless her sleeping in her nappy. Babies in just their nappies are so cute in the summer.
I did a double take at girl clothes shazz! You can always pass them on again.
Regarding toys - you will be bought various little toys and rattles as baby gifts. The one thing I would really recommend for little babies is a play mat with dangling toys etc. we have one and have had hours and hours of use out of it and you can change the toys dangling from it so the baby doesn't get bored. You can also sit a bouncy chair under it to change the angle of interaction. Ours is like this one and Trenchlet is currently under it shouting happily at it and kicking her legs.
I feel another Top Tip coming on: see if there's a toy library near you. I joined one and got loads of dead good toys out for a few weeks at a time. Brilliant if you want to try something, or if you don't want great lumps of plastic filling up your small flat. I also got things I knew she'd get bored of quickly or grow out of, or electronic things that would drive me insane if we had them for longer than a couple of weeks. I lived in the inner city then and the local
toy library was verywell resourced and under used. Well worth looking into.
dildals only to echo Mariana and Expat that everyone feels that way from time to time and luckily the daily experience of raising children is so all absorbing, especially when they are newborns, that you just get on with it and hope for the best. It really helps though when they are there in the flesh and you can develop a relationship with them rather than just abstract notions of the embodiment of responsibility. I don't know about you but before I got married the idea of marriage itself seemed so loaded but then when I did we just got on with it and don't really think about it too much because after all you are just two people who have a relationship already. (bit of a run-on sentence there but I hope you get my drift).
mariana thanks for the link!
The bump comments are just making me really self-conscious, when I haven't been so far.
Brilliant idea about the toy library Mariana. Who knew such things existed? Love the playmat tip. I think dildals bagged one at the NCT sale didn't you dildals? I'm going to go to an NCT sale nearer the time and find one. If not the in laws are looking for a gift to give. I love your top tips. Please don't stop!
Fairy it's a shame if you feel self conscious. I bet you look gorgeous and can be proud of your lovely bump.
Oh and fairy I think you are right about the abstract feeling. I love shazlett but I guess I love the idea of shazlett. I can't imagine what she is like. What she looks like.
Mariana I do think that shazlett is a boy so I'm going to try to get some boy clothes as well to cover all bases!
Hi guys. Fairy, you're spot on about the abstract feeling. When we were first pregnant with ds we were happy but it was all abstract. So when he was born early we had to fall in love properly with a little human and then say goodbye. All really quickly.
This time round, we know that the wriggly thing inside me is a real solid body that can hold our finger and look towards us when we speak. It makes a huge difference but also really raises the stakes. I was thinking about Crisps as I wrote that too. Hope all is well Crisps.
I will start maternity leave as late as possible. Here you only get 15 weeks and must take at least a week of that beforehand. I have a few other things that takes it to 6 months but it's not really great so need to make the most of it.
Dildals, when I was young all our holidays were camping and there were so many of us it was mainly packed lunches. Ice creams from a shop were a big treat. We were I think quite a comfortably off family but looking after 6 kids was pretty expensive. You'll have your own ready made big family and it will be great. Stressful yes, but predominantly great. I had big vague worries before but now as it gets closer they have got more specific, ie, weaning etc. We'll all work it out. We have too - they're coming whether we're ready or not!
Shazza I did bag a playmat. They're not that expensive new either, if you don't happen to find one. Amazon/ASDA. On that note, I couldn't help myself and I bought 2 pink bouncy chairs from ASDA online for £9.60 (down from £25). My friend suggested I should have 2 bouncers downstairs and 2 upstairs so I have somewhere two park the girls so I can actually do something without the both of them getting in to mischief. They are probably not going to be very good. BUT THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK SO CUTE IN THEIR MATCHING PINK BOUNCY CHAIRS!!! :-)
Where did all my feminist ideals go about non gender specific upbringing and wooden toys .... ?
mariana Great idea on the toy library. There's one in my borough, will explore further.
Thanks for all the kind words on my strange crying fits over the price of ice cream. I full well know it is not rational ...
Definitely get two lots of bouncy chairs dildals. I spend a lot of time carrying my chair up and down as they are great places to park them. Especially as a lot of babies don't like to lie flat. I have Trenchlet in one while I shower, cook, see to DD1, hoover etc. only a very cheap one too, you don't need the vibrating electronic efforts. I'm with you on pink. I rarely buy anything pink but she does look awfully cute in a little pink get up, occasionally. Argh!
fairy, the marriage analogy is true for me too. It felt like such a big serious commitment but then it was done and we carried on as before.
A bit cooler here today. Hope you overheated pregnant ladies are coping!
Just had a MW appt. all fine. We heard shazlett's heart and DP felt her for the first time cause the MW showed him where to press. So that was emotional.
Thanks for the asda tip dildals. My bro told me yesterday that asda also have a sterilising kit on sale for about £50. He's just got one.
I'm not too bad in the heat. I've got a fan at home and AC in the office so it's ok. And I'm not that big. By the time I'm waddling it will be oct/nov so much cooler.
shazza I may be wrong but I think there's microwave sterilisers cheaper than that (tommee tippee closer to nature £13.99 on Amazon). The bottles I got for free from someone. Only three, but it's a start.
There's a more expensive 'all you need' starter kit, but that's only useful if you are sure you want to bottle feed.
If you want to go really cheap you could just use a bucket/pan/bowl and drop a milton sterilising tablet in it. You drop all your items in there and they come out sterilised. That's the cheapest option!
Does it show I grew up in a frugal household?! ;-)
fairy I never really felt the urge to get married until I met my now husband. It was love at first sight (from my part anyway!) and after we got together for the first time I had the thought 'he would look so handsome in a wedding suit!'. Totally unlike me until that point. I absolutely loved getting married. I don't think it's necessary to have a good and working relationship, but it definitely gives your relationship a (temporary?) boost. I think it is the choice to make a public commitment to be a couple. Rituals still serve a purpose even in this electronic society. ;-)
On that note, is anyone having their child christened? I am not particularly religious, despite 14 yrs of catholic schooling (I don't think anything really stuck on the RE front! But I still love the singing!), so I would be inclined not to TBH. Perhaps we should throw the christening in with the joint 40th birthday party of DH and me next year! That's not a bad idea actually ...
Hi All, taking the leap and joinng up!
DS#1 was first round of IVF - he is going to be two at the end of August and is
I am currently 3+4 (yes that's right) after an FET. Between this and DS I have had 3 abandoned FETs and one failed one so feel like I have been made to work hard for this BFP.
I tested 4 days early and have the faintest of faintest second lines but I am determined to be more positive and enjoy this pregnancy as it is likley to be my last (unless I get a miracle natural one at some point, or this one miscarries) and I spent all my first (very easy, symptom free pregnancy) anxious as hell.
Recognising lots of names for various boards of the last couple of years so waves!!
Marinana I have taken to sitting with my feet in a bucket of cold water. My feet seem to be the hottest part of me. I will also look into toy library in my area too.
Shazza glad all went well at MW and nice that DP could get involved too
Dildals one of the few things we have decided is not to go down the christening route. We didn't get married in a church, Gretna Green for us, and neither of are religious. DH was catholic schooled and I was CofE so not sure which way we would go anyway.
Loads of people have recommended bouncy chair and playgyms but not together. Am liking the sound of baby enjoying the view from a different angle. A couple of people have raved about those V pillows during pregnancy for making sleeping with a bump more comfy, anyone got one? They did say don't get the expensive Mamas & Papas one but from Dunhelm Mills or such where they are about £5 rather than £40
fairy that is such lovely advice, the marriage analogy. You are right, taking that decision to share your life with someone else is hard to even contemplate in the abstract, but when you meet the right person, it just happens and you work it all out (and mostly it's great :-). It is still too early days for me to really feel able to think about this baby even in the abstract but if/when I let those thoughts out and start to panic - where will we put it? what kind of parents will we be? what about money? - I will try to remember the marriage analogy and keep calm.
Not that we've thought beyond the next scan yet but I don't think christening would be for us either. DH and I have different faiths anyway and I'm also inclined to think it is something for a child to decide, or not, when old enough to find their own path. However, I am attracted to the aspect of christening that is about formally welcoming a new baby into its community of friends and family. I think - hypothetically - that marking the milestone informally with a celebration that's meaningful to you, with the people you care about, is maybe a good compromise.
Can't believe how far along some of us are already! Goodness, maternity leave will be here before you know it. Sorry to hear of the pains and niggles though.
All OK with me, other than stressing over the next scan as so many of us are (next week for me), and sickness deciding to give me a last kick as the end of thee first trimester approaches. I was actually vomity yesterday and today which will teach me for thinking I was going to get away with just the odd bit of queasiness. Obviously nothing like some people have had to endure and in a way, oddly reassuring (maybe I am pregnant?).
Hi vanillapod and congratulations on getting this far and settling in for the next bit of anxious waiting. Mine is a frostie too, it still feels vaguely sci fi.
Hope everyone else is OK and not wilting in the heat. I'm hating it - nothing to do with being pregnant, just being a pale and pasty winter person - but it is still nice to see the sun and how happy people are that summer is here.
Hi vanillapod, quiet congratulations.
Glad all well shazza, what dildals said about sterilisers. I have a microwave one that was about a tenner. I breast feed though have started expressing milk. I only have two bottles, two teats etc and that's fine for breast milk expressing purposes. I'd wait and see how you decide to feed before paying out. Unless you definitely want to bottle feed of course. (If you do want to use a bit of formula when starting breast feeding e.g. before your milk comes in, then you don't need bottles as you can buy ready mixed stuff and cup feed them from a tiny medicine cup. Their weeny stomachs only hold 20mls at birth.)
We are both atheists so no christenings and we had a registry office wedding. I like the idea of formally welcoming the baby but not enough to ever arrange anything.
Hi valinna and congratulations! I remember you from the ivf cycling thread, v glad to meet you here again!
dildals love the double pink bouncy chairs, they will be adorable. I have thought about christening for DS because I like the idea and the ceremony but neither DH or I are practising and I'm afraid it would feel a bit artificial to ring up our local vicar.
shazza did you say you had a 90 min bus ride to work? I'd that EACH WAY? My god no wonder you are tired and have hurt your back. Can you not work from home every Friday at least? It is better you do that now than have to go on mat leave early.
expat 14 weeks really isn't very much, I'm surprised as I usually assume that sort of thing is always better on the continent. I have some Belgian friends and they said nurseries are quite cheap though so I suppose that's one consolation.
I had an appointment with the consultant midwife today to discuss a home birth. She was completely supportive although she had to tell me that strictly in terms of statistics birth in the hospital is safer for me, because of my previous CS. However the risk of scar rupture is less than .2% so really not enough to discourage me. She asked me about my labour with DS and I got quite teary. It's funny how it was 5 years ago and I can joke about it casually but if I talk about it in any detail I get overwhelmed. It's like I have a separate emotional memory. Still I feel quite optimistic that things will be very different this time because the problem before was DS's big head and poor positioning.
ceara we cross posted- thanks, glad the marriage analogy made sense to you. With your baby you also have unconditional love and the biological bond as well, which help enormously. It will all be fine.
I love the hot weather really but I don't have to go on a hot underground or bus to work and my office is quite cool on even the warmest days so that helps.
Help. Six weeks tomorrow and a smear of beige on the loo roll just then. i have had 'stretching' feelings in the womb area for the past couple of days and yesterday it was weirdly stabby. None of it felt like AF-style cramping so I have happily dismissed it until the beige smear just now. Am I miscarrying? Heartbeat scan on Friday and now I'm terrified.
Juicy please try not to worry. I know this is easier said than done. I had brown spotting with DS at 5/6 weeks and then a huge red bleed at 8 weeks. No reason for it and DS was fine. It could be anything. My bleeding was never explained.
All the cramping and stretching is just your womb getting used to being inhabited.
I am sorry you will have a stressful wait until Friday but I am sure things will be fine. Is it worth calling your clinic to see if you could go in tomorrow instead?
juicy like vanillapod says, the stretchy crampy thing is normal and bleeding in early pregnancy, while not normal exactly, is really common. It's frightening but doesn't always mean anything. For what it's worth I spotted from 6 weeks to nearly 9 weeks, mostly brown but one scary red bleed at 7 weeks. Scans so far have all been fine. Others on here had bleeding as well and I'm sure will be along to reassure you. Bleeding could even just be from the cervix ; all the hormones knocking around can cause cervical erosion. I won't say don't worry because you will, it's terrifying waiting for the first early scan (bleeding or not), but take it easy and be kind to yourself.
juicy, I won't say don't worry either but I will say that a beige smear is not really a bleed of any significance and you get all manner of sharp pains, dull aches, weird twinges all the way through pregnancy so it's more likely to be just a normal feature of pregnancy. Not long until Friday so try to distract yourself - being busy helps.
fairy, very strange but I can recite my sorry history without a flicker of emotion because I've had to do it so many times.
Thanks you so much for taking the time to reassure me, Vall, Ceara & Mariana. I promise to try and stay positive
I am reading all your posts, by-the-way.
Juicy I hope things have settled down for you overnight. Keeping my fingers crossed for tomorrow. Can you distract yourself today? Impossible I know but maybe try to take tasks in chunks today so that you break the day down into manageable blocks of time rather than see hours stretching out in front of you until tomorrow?
Dildals thanks for the steriliser tip. I am hoping to breast feed so I think I'll hang on until that is established before purchasing anything. Re christening. I don't think we will. We aren't married (yet? ) so I doubt DP would ok a christening. However on the radio this morning they were saying how studies show that children born to married parents are happier and fare better than unmarried parents yet over 47% of babies are born out of marriage now. If I can't persuade him maybe he will do it for shazlett!
Vallinna welcome. It feels like a long road ahead but I'm glad you are feeling positive. You might as well because worrying wont change any outcome. However we all do it. Anyway you are most welcome to hang out and have a cup of tea with us . One day at a time.
Sweetie I'm sleeping with an ordinary pillow between my legs. Mariana gave us a link a while ago to a good cheap pillow supplier rather than fork out for expensive maternity ones.
Ceara next week is your harmony results and scan isn't it? It is hugely scary. I don't know how I sat the wait out. I think that the vomiting means you probably are preggers. Congratulations
Mariana oh wise one what pump do you use? I'm hoping to breast feed and also express so that DP can feed also.
Fairy yep my journey is 2 buses and 90 mins each way. I could take 2 trains and a bus but I'd only save 15 mins and it would cost a third more. It's becoming a nightmare tbh but I've got no choice at the mo sadly. My boss said maybe we can discuss working from home 1 or 2days a weeks from August when it is quieter it's too busy now. This period is the busiest in higher education. Have you considered what pain management you want for home birth? Active birthing, Hypno birthing? Tens machine etc? I'm just starting to tentatively explore these options. The MW said if I continue to be low risk I should be able to stay at home and I'm leaning more and more to this option.
Hello to everyone else.
I'm ok. Still massively overwhelmed but trying to take things slowly and bit by bit. I spoke to DP and we are going to do a chores rota at home. It's abit flatmatey but at least the jobs will be laid out and we (read he) will be able to see what needs doing and who is going to do it. That way I don't feel like I'm nagging and dishing out the chores which isn't my job. All extra curricular activities are on hold at the mo until I can get through this period. I'm craving quiet at home.
On a positive note shazlett is officially wriggling and moving externally now. DP felt her move a few times yesterday. It's our new game. He loves it and its nice that finally he can participate and it is real for him abit more.
Have a good day all.
Welcome Vallinna and congratulations!
Juicy, I have had a tiny bit of spotting at 6 weeks with both pregnancies. Stabby pain is good! Sounds like a little cutie is snuggling in nice and tight there.
I'm so glad I'm out of the early weeks. They're nerve wracking. I still have panics but nothing compared to then. So I offer you all a and .
Shazza, a rota sounds great. That's more or less what we do with plenty of negotiation sometimes. You have to when both of you work. The commute sounds like a nightmare. I'm ashamed to be getting a taxi in replacement of one 20 min bus journey .There are unmarried and unmarried parents. You sound like unmarried married partners. Personally I really liked getting married but that piece of paper doesn't give you automatic fab parenting skills.
Hi Juicy - hope the spotting as calmed down.
Expat - totally agree, the early weeks are the worst. I am really trying to be positive this time but of course spent all last night Googling chemical pregnancy
I hate to be a pain - would people mind a quick role call of how many weeks you all are?
valinna I'm 26 weeks, the same as dildals (we had our ECs and ETs on the same days but different clinics).
shazza I really hope your boss is lenient come August. That is a terrible commute during the hot summer when you're pg. I'm glad to hear you are also considering a home birth. I did not feel confident enough to do it for DS but I have a number of friends who did and had very positive experiences. The midwives here have gas and air with them and we will hire a birthing pool. I used that with a tens machine for the first 24 hours or so of labour with DS and they were fine, I had no trouble coping. The tens machine made very little difference, but the pool and gas and air were great. The only thing I pray for this time is that things progress at a brisk pace.
ceara juicy valinna those early weeks are really tough, almost as stressful as getting pg in the first place. Just try to remember that the huge majority of pregnancies are absolutely fine and that includes IVF.
AFM DH went out for 'one pint' last night at 8 and didn't get back until 12:30. I was awake from 10:30pm (I fell asleep at 9:30) wondering where he was, texting (he said at 11 he was leaving) and becoming increasingly cross. This used to be a very common occurrence between us but now is thankfully unusual, although when it does happen I get even more annoyed because he knows how it affects me. Sometimes I am able to just go back to sleep and forget about it but not always. Now I am knackered today. My motivation for work was already decreasing rapidly, I just want to be at home and do homey things these days.
Hi vallinna I remember you too, as does my autocorrect! Congratulations! I'm crossing my fingers for you. Was this a fet from frosties you got when you had your ds? Why did they cancel your other cycles, if you don't mind my asking. We have three frosties, hoping for a sibling.
juicy I had brown spotting at 7+4 and 12+0. Dr put it down to sex
it didn't happen any of the other times though. Maybe we should compile a list as basically we all get a bit and then freak out, maybe it'd be helpful to see that.
shaz it's prob more to do with more people in strong relationships choosing to marry, but as fairy said, you guys clearly have a strong relationship but haven't chosen to marry
yet. I can't see what difference it would make to an individual situation, iyswim.
fairy I too did 14 years of RC school, but we didn't get married in church, and won't be getting kip christened. I do sometimes feel weird, it's residual catholic guilt! But I don't believe in god, and am frankly against some of the RC church's teachings and actions.
keep 19+6! Edd 29/11
Hi keep - yes, this frostie is DS's fraternal twin technically! I have found FET's quite tough. It has been incredibly hard to get my lining to a passable level for transfer - it was on the thin side with IVF (7.3mm), we managed to get to 7.5mm with this FET.
Of my 3 abandoned cycles the first was ditched as we got too close to Christmas (despite my obsessively raising it with the clinic ), the second was due to breakthough bleeding - I was on my various forms of oestrogen for too long, and the third was cancelled due to clinic error - they forgot to call me to increase my meds. didn't even cover it. I was more upset than when we had out failed FET as this was human error rather than shitty luck.
I like the idea of a 'bleed list' (IYSWIM) - I kept a
obsessive diary during my PG with DS so will have a look this evening as to what happened when and remind myself of the depths of despair to which I sunk at the time
God, I'm angry on your behalf! Did the frosties defrost OK, or did you lose any? Do you have any more?
God, I'm angry on your behalf! Did the frosties defrost OK, or did you lose any? Do you have any more?
We had two frosties and defrosted one each time. Both times (this one and our failed cycle) they defrosted 100% intact and had shown sign of regeneration before transfer. In fact on my BFN cycle it had started to hatch. hey were vitrified, which I understand is a better freezing technique.
That's it for us with the frosties. We had two after the two embryos from my fresh IVF were replaced. Only wanted to do SET this time round as the thought of DS and twins made me weep a little - that said, if we need to go for a fresh cycle we would have two replaced again.
I have been unimpressed with my clinc throughout (and throught IVF TBH). If for any reason this pregnancy doesn't progress we had made up our minds to go to a new clinic - deespite the admin/expensive re-test battle this would create.
Thank you, all of you, for your reassurances. I am seeing brown each time I wipe now but lots of IVF internet friends are telling me that the pessaries can aggravate the cervix. I rang EPU and they said brown smears at six weeks is perfectly normal and probably implantation. My nausea is the worst it has ever been today to the point that I have, as yet, been unable to put anything in my mouth. Is this a good sign? I will shut up now. Thank you once again x
I've always thought nausea is a good sign. But then people have none and are fine so I think it doesn't matter that much!
Shazz, I use Medela which is a brand that aims to support breast feeding women who express. I have the portable mini electric pump but it's £70 new. My sister gave it me as she bought it and never used it. You can hire them too I think. It is extremely comfortable to use and very quick at getting the milk out so I highly recommend it. My only criticism is that its a bit noisy but I think they all are. You can get them second hand on eBay, I've just looked and there's one going for £15 there at the moment. It's the motor that costs so you could get that second hand and buy a new breast shield for about £12. I'll happily pass mine on to someone when I'm done with it, but that won't be until next April so a bit late for you!
vallinna, that's a dreadful experience with the clinic.
fairy, that 'last pint honest' story sounds familiar. Maybe I'm just jealous as I haven't been out for so long.
Shazza My pump is ameda, both the medela and ameda are being sold on the NCT shop (same price). You can hire them too. It worked out cheaper buying one for me. I bought it secondhand for £45 from Linda Geddes, the bumpology author.
fairy we are having a LOT of last pint discussions. We were supposed to have 'date night' last night. But he called up and said he was going to meet his mate at a pub near the train station for 2 pints. Max. Honest. Then of course his mate was late due to late trains. And then it became three. I had to do something early evening as well, so I didn't mind. But what I then do mind is that when we go for dinner he's already relatively well oiled, wolfs his dinner down (not a pretty sight) and dozes off in the restaurant. He fell asleep on the sofa when we got home. I left him there. This morning he said, surprised, 'I woke up on the sofa'. No shit.
Thanks dildals and Mariana for breast pump info. I've looked at NCT shop. Am I right to be inclined to buy something that they sell? They must do their homework. I feel I can trust their judgement. Dildals I forgot yours is a celebrity pump
Dildals and fairy I feel for you re the DH stories. You both sound very patient. MR shaz doesn't drink but he does lose track of time when painting. He says he'll be home for dinner and then I wake up at 2 and he's coming to bed. At first I was cross. Now I'm thankful for the opportunity to catch up on the good wife! I won't be so pleased when shazlett is here though.
Fairy are you considering Hypno birthing as well?
Vallinna gosh your history with your clinic sounds terrible. Thank goodness for this bun in your oven. I also googled the hell out of 'blighted ovum' night after night and for hours on the bus. I'm 22+1 now and due on 13th nov. still can hardly believe it. I was convinced in the beginning that there was nothing there.
Juicy. Good news. Good luck for tomorrow please keep us informed.
Keep is your scan next week? I read today that the baby is 28cms and as big as a marrow! That's huge! It only seems like yesterday when it was the size of an apple. Your due date is my dads birthday I hope we have a strong relationship. He had problems with making a commitment but we worked on that. It was a behaviour pattern. But he just can't get to a wedding despite the fact we are having a baby. It never used to matter much tbh I've been married before when I was MUCH younger (read naive and stupid). But now that shazlett is coming I feel strangely old fashioned about it all.
I'm on my way home after doing overtime. Hopefully my dinner will be on the table when I get in. 'Roll up roll up place your bets please! '
Trying not to
obsess think too much about next week's Harmony results and scan.
For the bleeding list for vallina - I'm 12 weeks tomorrow. Spotting from 6-9 weeks due to subchorionic hematoma. Scans at 7 weeks, 9+3 and 10+4
not that I've been stressing at all all showed little one growing as it should and we were told at the last scan that the hematoma is reabsorbing so fingers crossed for next week.
I too obsessively googled blighted ovum and even worse, must shamefully confess I've a book about it on my kindle, which I downloaded while waiting for my 7 week scan. Positive mental attitude went on strike that week I think.
A round up of where everyone is (and how old trenchlet is already) would be great.
dildals and fairy, good luck with the last pint discussions :-) Agreeing a division of domestic labour sounds good though I am no example. We have always had a sort of informal divvying up of tasks in that DH generally does the cleaning and tidying because
he is an obsessive neat freak he is more houseproud than me, and I get the groceries, cook most meals, and do laundry. Which means he has pretty much been doing everything but the ironing since I hit 7 weeks and started uncontrollable dry retching in the evenings if I went near the kitchen. He is a good man and much put upon at present.
shaz your commute sounds a nightmare, I hope working from home for at least a day or two each week is a viable option for you from next month. My commute involves a longish train journey but at least I get a reasonably comfy seat and from 20 weeks, if I get that far, a free first class upgrade. Bus can't be too comfortable, especially as shazlett grows bigger.
If you have already committed to each other in your hearts I don't believe marriage makes any difference to your stability as as couple or your abilities as parents. I am married (register office), but mainly because we eventually got fed up with having no alternative to "single" on official forms. But I can honestly say it changed nothing in our relationship, we were simply registering something we'd forged for ourselves years ago.
And anyone who has made it through deciding to have a child together and then infertility - which strains and tests everyone - has a strong relationship in my book.
Totally agree that you can't get through infertility without a very strong relationship. We got married as it was important to DH, I wasn't bothered either way. I do wear a ring but I've never changed my name or been a Mrs.
Trenchlet is 12 weeks. I joined this merry thread when I was quite late on in pregnancy
and still totally mental.
Ceara and Mariana the posts about making it through infertility together choked me abit. You are so right. Last year especially was so challenging. In my darkest days I thought that was it and I just couldn't work out how I was going to deal with the (what I perceived to be) overwhelming grief of not being able to have a child. It was hard but as you say we pulled through it together and here I am with my baby on board. It is a miracle.
You ladies are amazing, each and every one one of you. Trenchlet is 12 weeks already? Wowee I was a mere 5 weeks when we started this thread (part one) now 15 weeks have passed. I cannot imagine not sharing this with you all.
I am 32 weeks. I was a quivering wreck when I joined this thread and am not much better all these weeks on. Yesterday I proper sobbed at all kinds of things that are only in my imagination.
Vallinna, so they wasted one of your frosties. Have I read that right? Did they offer you another go for free?
Just popping in before work to say good luck juicy with today's scan.
Yes, good luck juicy.
It's a unique form of despair, shazz. Certainly one you never forget, I think it changes you permanently.
Yes, fingers crossed!
Expat - no, the only saving grace was the f%&*ed up before ET day. It did get that abandoned cycle for 'free' - would have normally had to have paid £600 for the scans I had had up to that point. Well, I say free, still contesting it with them...
Peed on a CB digital and got 'pregnant, 1-2' in true thread nature I will continue to worry!
vallinna that is really poor service from your clinic, I am not surprised you will change if things go wrong this time. But they won't!
juicy like the others I wish you well with the scan. Are you 7 weeks already or are you scanning sooner?
I had three days of brown spotting at 16 weeks. Midwife said it was probably the placenta implanting, not the embryo as too late for that. I was not that worried by it because it was old blood and I had had several scans by then that showed good development. If it had happened prior to 12 wks though I would have been terrified.
shazza I did a hypnobirthing course for my labour with DS (Mongan method). It was quite helpful for the initial stages but I certainly did not get the blissfully peaceful birth that they show as an ideal. I think it is definitely worth trying if you are aiming for minimal intervention/natural birth but some teachers can be quite doctrinaire and insist that if you are just sufficiently relaxed and positive you will have no pain and no problems at all. That might be the case if you are also lucky enough to have a quick uncomplicated labour but if not it can feel as though it's your fault for not practising the hypnobirthing method diligently enough. My teacher stressed that I should not even contemplate things going "wrong" such as a caesarean so that when I actually had to have one I was totally mentally unprepared for it and suffered a lot of guilt afterward.
As for the 'last pint' syndrome - I am sure that when DH goes out he fully intends to be back when he says he will, it's just that when he has a pint or two down already and his mates are urging him to stay it becomes impossible to say no. He has moderated a lot in the last few years and I have also become less particular but what may actually do the trick is his friend who is the worst for making him stay out late is now expecting his first child and unless his partner is a completely pushover he won't be so keen on last orders.
expat I'm really sorry that you are so worried still. At 32 weeks even if the baby was born now he or she is very likely to be fine, isn't that right? I hope these last weeks go quickly for you.
Thanks, everyone. Scan at 11.45 and I'm 6+1, fairy. Red blood when I wiped before. Not just spotting, either. Feel like I'm being marched, naked, to the firing squad
Oh Juicy, I'm holding your virtual hand. Am waiting for news. x
Fairy, I'm waaaay more relaxed than I was. My derangement has moved on to other random things that I'm not even going to admit to in writing. I just dont seem to have any control over my imagination at the moment.
Juicy absolutely everything crossed. My red bleed was at 5+4, there was a clot behind the embryo which continued to spot after that up to 11 weeks (re-read my pregnancy diary last night)
There is a babby!! A little peanut babby! I've got a photo and everything - its little heart was going like the clappers The nurse said the womb looks 'fantastic; a really clean, strong shape' and baby is nestled in very snug and high up in the uterus. She said there is absolutely no bleeding around the sac which leads her to believe it was never twins and that the whopping great beta levels were just, well...high
Thank you for your lovely wishes. I am so very grateful to you all xx
P.s..another scan in two weeks....for free!
Yaay! One healthy baby is brilliant news, and so good to see a heartbeat this early. And a reassurance scan in two weeks is great news too.
Well done the little embie. I'm so pleased for you both.
Aw that's great juicy. I hope you can relax for a bit now.
Expat, I reckon I could give you a good run for your money over worrying until the last second of pregnancy (before seamlessly going into newborn worry mode!) I'm not prepared to write any of it down either, lets just say the was an extensive collection of extravagant fears!
Juicy I am so pleased for you, only 2 weeks until the next scan too
My mum has sent me a package with baby stuff she's accumulated on my behalf ... any tips on what to do if your mum has awful baby taste!?
A while ago, for my first pregnancy that miscarried, she bought this knitted clown ... seriously ... first of all, everyone knows that clowns are SCARY! Second of all, it was the ugliest cuddly toy I have ever seen! It may have had an unfortunate accident ... ;-)
She's coming over end of July so may have to show her some nice stuff ;-).
Thanks ladies Dildals, I laughed at your post 'cos my mum is very likely to buy some, erm... enthusiastic-looking clothing for the baby. I intend to set my stall out early and tell her that headbands of any colour or variety are banned, as are denims until the child is, like, thirteen and absolutely nothing pink or trimmed with that fluffy stuff.
I think toys are different in that nothing is 'shameful' if baby likes it
I think it is your responsibility as a parent to dress kids in bad clothes
taking loads of photos as payback for them when teenagers. My mum is knitting away from 1970s patterns so I dread to think what monstrosities will be heading our way. Bless she means well.
Yippee for juicy and her embie. Amazing news.
Expat I'm sorry you were upset yesterday. I guess it's normal to run the gamut of emotions as the due date draws ever nearer. I hope you can rest and enjoy the weekend.
Fairy you have expressed what I feared about Hypno birthing. I could be described as being 'alternative' when it comes to medicine and self help for want of a better word. I meditate, not a particularly diligent practice but a little each day, explore alternative therapies etc. but sometimes there is a sense with these things that if you are not experiencing the benefits of what that particular practice is supposed to bring that you aren't trying hard enough. I remember feeling this very keenly when trying to harness the power of positive thinking and just feeling awful all the time that I was failing cause nothing was changing. Hypno birthing does sound like rainbows will come out of your fanny followed by a perfect baby with only as much pain as nature intended. However I have also heard such positive stories I'm still tempted. But maybe active birthing is more useful. Someone told me about Janet balaskas. Active birthing sounds more, well active or rather proactive. Helping nature on her way.
Dildals I laughed about the clown I'm afraid. Your mum is probably very excited. I think it's a great idea to go shopping with her and show her all the things you like. Then she can see your taste. But apparently grandparents feel that they have a free reign. My parents tell me when they 'break the rules' whilst looking after my niece. They forget that I'll have my own methods and ideas (im trying not to set rules) in a few months that I will also assume that they will respect!
I'm on my way home finally. DP has dinner on thank goodness. My bump feels very stretched and tender tonight. I'm very guilty of touching and rubbing it all the time. I can't help it. I love it xx
sweetie I totally agree with you on the right, nay OBLIGATION, to dress your children, and ESPECIALLY twins, in clothes that will embarrass the hell out of them when they are older. ;-). My mum did it to me. I will do it to them.
I was telling DH the other day about this fantastic photo we have of me and my dad, my dad in full 70s garb, mustard yellow shirt, pointy lapels, brown suit, flares & platforms, me in a white dress with a knitted cap that made me look like I was wearing a white knitted afro. Oh, and a random German shepherd my parents were taking care of at the time. It is one odd, but funny, photo.
And there will definitely be pink and frills. I am desperately on the look out for two pink tutus! Haha. The family tradition of Bad Parenting starts HERE!
shazz my bumps is so painful on a regular basis, all these muscles stretching. Rubbing the top really helps. Now it is started stretching at the bottom. I can't really rub that in public, looks a bit weird. I do love looking at the bump though, I am fascinated. Today it has grown AGAIN. I think the bump looks awesome. Although I do wonder how my poor muscles are ever going to regain their normal shape. Best not to dwell. Also love all the attention you get with the bump, I get so many smiles from random people in the street. I had 2 lorries honking their horn at me today. Not sure why, but I am assuming it is the bump. If it grows any bigger though, I may have to request planning permission for a structure of temporary nature. And install those beeping noises for when I reverse.
Not tutus dildals, please!
I regained a reasonably flat stomach after DD1 without much effort but I don't think it's going to happen this time. One of the most alarming things in pregnancy is the marshmallow / empty carrier bag stomach you have for a few days afterwards.
Have lovely weekends everyone. My sister and I are taking our girls for a picnic by a stream to do paddling, fishing and building dams, I can't wait!
Oh Mariana that sounds like an amazing day. How fabulous. That's what childhood is all about. Exploring and having fun in nature. Splashing in a stream on a hot sunny day is what dreams are made of . Oh dear about the carrier bag tummy although I can see that the analogy is a good one.
I meant to ask you how are you getting on with listen so your children will talk or whatever it is called?
Dildals oh my goodness I'm on the bus going into the office to do some overtime and I laughed outloud at you beeping whilst reversing! That's hilarious. Underneath is exactly where my bump is hurting. It is so stretched. Shazlett is having a growth spurt. I've put on a kilo in less than a week. But maybe it's also water retention in the hot weather. I also find the bump fascinating. In fact I've just got DP to take a picture of me cause I look so pregnant today for some reason. We are going to buy some mudrock (bandage with plaster you can get it in an art shop) and make a cast of it now and at full term. If anyone decides to do it you must put LOTS of Vaseline on your skin and maybe even cling film over the Vaseline before you put the mudrock onto your body. Otherwise you will be in a very painful situation.
Google making a body cast for more info.
Hello to everyone else. Enjoy the sunshine. X
shazza I would still recommend giving hypnobirthing a try, just don't take it too much to heart. At the very least it was quite relaxing to lie down every day and listen to the tape and do the visualisations. Rather like the Vita West recordings I used during the 2ww.
mariana I remember just studiously avoiding looking at my naked stomach for about 2 weeks post birth with DS. Then I was pleasantly surprised by how quickly it all went back. I am afraid this time it won't be so easy, particularly as my bump feels bigger this time. That said, I was at a work related event last night and someone described my bump as "designer" [preen]. Mind you, his wife is currently 28 wks so he has probably had an earful as to what to say and what not to say!
juicy so so happy for you and your babby. Just try to stay positive for the next two weeks.
dildals when I had DS my mother bought about 6 sleeper suits for him that were made out of the most horrible terrycloth polyester material. I never used them because they were scratchy and hot. I put him in one when she was visiting and otherwise chucked them out. I do understand where's she's coming from, when she had me and my siblings polyester was the greatest thing ever because it was cheap, washed endlessly and never wore out. She has never understood why natural fibres have become the ideal again. It's easier just not to bring up the topic with her as I wouldn't want to hurt her feelings.
I think the best preparation for birth is to read up on it, learn some kind of coping technique and keep an open mind. I learned a simple breathing control technique and that got me through the first 24 hours with DD1. Also you're not alone, hospital midwives are generally an excellent bunch and I've always had positive experiences with them.
God, polyester is awful but yes, a generational thing. Mind you, at the other extreme I got given the most beautiful merino wool outfit which is 'delicates wool wash only'. This from a very wealthy friend who does have kids but I don't think she does her own washing. I'll never dare use it which is a waste of a different sort.
What a glorious day today. I even got to do some paddling myself but mostly sat under a tree feeding (myself and the baby!) I hope everyone enjoyed themselves.
another glorious day. I'm on my way to work again. Double time today though so that's good.
Oh dear fairy, polyester is grim! The unwanted gifts thing is so hard. I feel bad cause the giver spent money on the item sometimes a lot of money and I feel like I have to say something so that nothing is wasted. The worst example of this for me was that my family got me an art work for my 40th. It was awful and I knew cost Hundreds of £s. I couldn't even just get it out when they visited so I took a deep breath and told them how much i appreciated the thought but explained that it wasn't to my taste. Everyone was upset at first but in the end me and my mum had a lovely day out at the gallery exchanging it for other pieces that I love and it worked out fine.
Tbh I'm more concerned about interfering advice but we've talked about that before.
Glad you had a good day Mariana. We went dancing for an hour or so last night and afterwards shazlett was the most active that she has ever been. It was really funny and DP could feel her loads. Goodness knows what she was doing in there. Maybe it was the charleston that we had just learnt
Have a good day everyone. X
Hello all! It's ginsoaked here, with a bit of a name change. I'm just back from holidays and not looking forward to work tomoz, although am loving this weather!
There's lots to catch up on on thread, which I don't think I can do justice to, so just wanted to say a big congrats on all the scans! shazz your 20 week one sounded lovely and I'm v envious that Mr S can feel shazzlet. I keep making Mr G put his hands on my belly but he can just feel my digestions!
ceara I think you had a scan too, which all went well, yay, and also juicy seeing the ickle flickering heartbeat.
Hope those feeling overwhelmed are now feeling a bit better. I do get frustrated that I can't do as much as normal - I spent an hour weeding yesterday and felt knackered and had back ache!
Although I 'm not looking forward to work tomorrow, I am now feeling a bit freaked out that I only have 4 months left at work before maternity leave! I love my job and worry that it won't be the same once I go back after mat leave and that I'll some how end up having to share my role... Ah well, I'm sure it'll all work out.
Hope you are all enjoying the gorgeous weather. mariana is trenchlet managing ok with it? I'm planning to take the baby somewhere hot and sunny when it's about 7 months, but am a bit worried about how it'll deal with the heat.
Btw didals am loving the image of your girls in their tutus in their pink bouncy chairs
gin welcome back from holiday, I'm pleased summer's arrival has minimised the shock to the system for you, though it does make Monday morning harder doesn't it?
I am going to be grouchy and say I'm not liking the summer much. My cat and I are vying for the position of most grumpy, hot and bothered in the household, and for the coolest shade. He is a longhair moggy - not Persian, just more adapted for northern winters :-) - and I am a pale and pasty person, so between us we are spreading grumps and misery.
How are you managing with trenchlet in the unseasonal warmth, Mariana? Your day out yesterday did sound idyllic.
keep, MrsHY, am I right that you must have 20 week scans coming up soon? Sorry if I have lost track and got that wrong - the weeks seems to drag and yet also to fly by so my sense of time is a bit out of whack. spotty good luck for your 12 week scan next week too. I can't believe we are both approaching that milestone already. 12 weeks seemed unattainably far ahead when I joined the thread a month ago and crisps and noks were having their 12 week scans. Doesn't really get any less scary, though, does it?
Did anyone see the article in yesterday's Guardian about 35 years of IVF? Really interesting. It made me a bit teary reading about the pioneering research which I've benefitted from (must be the hormones...!). However, the early years of treatment sounded decidedly grim for thee women going through it - 3 weeks banged up in a portakabin in the clinic grounds, collecting all your wee in a plastic container, egg collections in the middle of the night etc... I'm so very (selfishly) glad it's less gruelling these days. It was also interesting and salutary to be reminded of how social attitudes towards fertility treatment have changed. I know my parents are concerned about negative reactions from others, particularly of their generation, if we are open about having had IVF and the article put those concerns into context. I am still minded to be completely open, though, not least because I'm proud of us for getting through it! But also because it feels important to acknowledge that pregnancy doesn't always happen easily.
Is your new name holiday inspired? It sounds very exotic! Have you got your 20 week scan this week? I think Keep has hers too. Are you feeling the little Ginster yet? (I meant that to be a play on gin not as in the pasty company!). Mr G will feel it soon enough. Our midwife showed us where DP should feel although now he can feel shazlett move all over. At first he had to cup his hand over the top of my uterus which is now just above my belly button. I'm glad you had a good holiday. I know what you mean about it dawning on you that you've not got long at work left. I'd better crack on with my handover manual. Are you still doing the Streatham NCT class starting on 7th sept?
Ceara when do you get your results? How are you feeling? I hope you are holding up ok. In a way it's good that I've been at work this weekend. I don't sunbathe and it's too hot to be wandering around in the sun so I might as well be earning the money. I haven't seen the article yet but will read it online tonight. Thanks for the heads up. I agree that it is important to raise awareness. We didn't complete treatment in the end but are open about having to start. Although not at work I must admit.
shaz, I hope you're finding time to rest and relax, around all the overtime. Did you manage to find time for the bump cast yet? Was it as much fun as it sounded?
I hear you though about air conditioning. I'm not looking forward to hot trains tomorrow but the air conditioned office...mmmm.
Results are Tuesday. I think I'm in denial just now! Someone on the antenatal results threads had her Harmony test at the FMC the day before me and was called back last week for a repeat sample as there was insufficient fetal DNA to get a result. I wasn't asked to return early so I'm assuming that for good or bad, we will be getting a result on Tuesday. Hanging on to sanity for now, just.
I was a bit about hypnobirthing and relaxation CDs but I have warmed to them
hate myself for it!
Ceara what tests are you waiting on the results for? I didn't see the Guardian article but I am amazed at how far we have come in 30-odd years. I see absolutely no stigma attached to IVF.
AFM - had brown spotting last night and today. I am really hoping it is implantation bleeding but I didn't have any with DS. I had both remembered and forgotten how truly hideous this time is. I am wishing my life away (and with that DS's, which I hate!). I have a blood test at the clinic on Tuesday. They said that they would probably just do one but I will insist on two so we can see if my HCG levels are doing what they should. I also want them to test my progesterone levels which they don't do as standard....I will be so glad to see the back of this clinic.
Hello all, sorry I've not been around lately. We had our 20 week scan on Saturday, and all was great!! Measuring almost perfectly, moving lots. It's a lot bigger and more detailed than the 12 week scan, and really exciting. We have also both felt lots of unmistakable movement in the last couple of days, so all in all I am starting to think more of the baby, rather than just being pregnant, if that makes sense. My placenta is covering the whole front, but I can still feel the kicks, if that helps anyone else. Ooh, and we didn't find out the sex either shaz.
i did try and look but couldn't see anything, really...
gin you aren't far behind, are you? so maybe you're having your scan soon. Have you felt movement yet?
shaz and fairy I looked into hypnobirthing because there was a deal on for 20% off if booked before 20 weeks. But I was put off by the feeling that many women get that pain relief is failure. We also looked at the evidence, and surprisingly even on the measure of women's satisfaction with their birth, there was no difference. Bear in mind that women who have non hypno births have amazing stories too. And I found that lots of the 'oh my hypnobirth was so much better than my non hypnobirth' storeis are from second labours, which tend to be much easier anyway. There was slightly better in terms of women's levels of pain in stage 1. But the claims that some of these places make, and the money they charge, is rather un-evidence-based... Having said that, I am going to research relaxation techniques as I think it may help.
ceara good luck for tomorrow's results. Do you have the NT scan then too? I know how nerve wracking it is, but at least it's finallly here.
oh vallinna I am crossing everything that this is implantation, or something else innocuous. Good luck for tomorrow and just try and keep your mind off it
spottydotty I think your scan is on Friday. Good luck good luck good luck, and let us know how it goes asap
expat you're over 32 weeks now! I hope that you are feeling better. Are you starting to get excited about the birth or are you still in denial? Do you have a date for the section yet?
ceara I read that guardian article and it made me tear up too! I can't believe how hardcore and expensive ivf was in the 1980s. I was also really pleased to see that whenever anyone commented on the article that us infertiles should just adopt, they were eloquently shot down and told to shut up by other commenters!
shazz I'm loving the name ginster for the bean! Hope you aren't too knackered from all your overtime. I'm not looking forward to my commute home tonight as those trains generally don't have air con and I have to stand, despite the badge! I am indeed still doing those classes on the 7 Sept. I'm still meant to be doing a work thing on the 7th, but hope to be able to get out of it.
Hello vanilla, I forgot to say hi to you. Everything I've read says brown spotting is fine, as it's old blood (so could well be implantation or even a small bleed at the time AF is expected), but totally understand how scary it must be. Do you have a 6 week scan booked?
keep ahhh how lovely to have seen mini keep again. I'm so pleased to hear all is well. My 20 week scan is actually at 21.5 weeks on 7 Aug, do a few weeks to go yet. I'm part terrified and part excited.
I think I am feeling movement and have been doing so for a while, although it doesn't correspond with what I can feel if touching the bump. We have a MW appointment tomorrow morning so will hopefully be able to hear the heartbeat then (and I can get her to show Mr G where to feel movement!)
Has anyone else had/got to have the glucose tolerance bloody test? I do as my dad has type 2 diabetes, and I'm really not looking forward to it!
Hi, just popping to say hello, think of you guys often, but takes a bit of bravery to pop on here!
Getting by day by day, some better than others. Trying to focus on holiday in a month and restarting ttc after that.
Can't wait to get away and see all out lovely friends in Oz, and 5 weeks off work, bliss... Hope all is well with you guys, forgive me for not have a good read of your posts. Oh there should so be a smiley for hugs, so HUGS!
Really happy to hear from you Foody. I was wondering how you are. Have a lovely time in Oz. x
foody Good to hear from you I too was wondering how you were, enjoy your lovely holiday
ceara good luck for tomorrow, everything will be fine
Ceara good luck for today. They told me that if it was bad news they would call me in early for more tests so if you haven't heard that could be good news. No guarantees of course but I'd be erring on the side of excitement to see the bean again than blind panic about harmony. That said I burst into tears when she said it was negative and we had to wait to start the scan. Ooo and you'll get your DVD!
We haven't done the cast yet. I've been too busy but I've got a day off on Sunday so hope to do it then.
Vall hope the spotting stopped. Good luck for your blood test today.
Keep great news about your scan and feeling movement. Hurrah for the little kip. Good you are also keeping the surprise. Its hard but glad we did. When are you back in the uk? Must be soon.
Gin have a good appt today. I expect the MW will be able to feel movement. Mine said she could feel loads and I wasn't feeling it at the moment she had her hand on my belly. It always chokes me to hear the little heart racing away. Haven't done the glucose test. So pleased you are doing the same NCT as me.
Foody so lovely to hear from you honey. I have also thought of you. I'm glad that little by little you are feeling better. Have a super holiday. It sounds fabulous!
Hi buzz. I hope you are feeling ok.
And hello to everyone else.
So girls I have to ask you something <whispers> we did the deed last night (it was great thank goodness cause I haven't been feeling it tbh). Anyway afterwards shazlett went CRAZY. Not just the usual sweet ticklish pops and ripples but full on somersaults jumping around. It felt like she was swinging from the umbilical cord and bouncing off the walls! Did I give her a shot of adrenaline? She calmed down eventually but it took me ages to get to sleep. DP put his hand on my belly and was amazed as well. It was really funny but slightly disconcerting. xx
Shaz all that action gets the blood flowing hence the party in the womb. In my third trimester I got really strong braxton hicks every time we sex.
Just had my blood drawn, took two different nurses....god only know how I got through all the IVF blood tests last time. I don't think I have had a blood test for a year and it took three vein pricks to get one! Reslts this arvo. Had to really push to get my progesterone levels checked. I will never understand why it varies between clinics. They said they would have to charge me...which they were for the beta HCG any way as I said previously, be very glad never to go back there.
Good luck ceara and gin
shazza I think they also react to your increased heartbeat and all that oxytocin flowing around. Anyway glad to hear you had a fun evening!
I read that orgasms make the uterus contract, not in a bad way, its prob just a vit weird for her!!
Good luck ceara! X
shaz we are still glad its a surprise. Back in 6 days, so I may be a little quiet for a while. Secretly hoping the Nhs will make me have another scan...
Just popping in before heading off to London for my appointment to say good luck to vall.
vall- ouch! My veins are unco-operative too (my pregnancy blood test took two nurses, a cup of tea all round and eventually the registrar!) I think the anxiety about the test and results does send your veins into hiding - certainly pregnancy blood tests are the worst for me though they're never much fun are they? Fingers and everything else tightly crossed for your results this afternoon.
You gave shalzlett a happy ride Shazza!
Good luck to to Ceara and Gin and hope the results are good this afternoonn Vallinapod. I can't believe they don't usually test prog - the levels tell you a lot.
I am too hot. So so grumpy and desperate to sleep. How is trenchlett dealing with the heat Mariana?
btw, we don't know either. Can't wait to find out!
What's your guess, al? Not long now!!!
Any guidance on how often I should have my progesterone levels checked? Seeing as I am going to have to insist going forward.
at shazzlet enjoying the ride too! I'd heard it's due to increased blood flow and good for the baby... Re DTD, is anyone else finding it uncomfortable? I was desperate for it in the first 12weeks, but mostly too scared, and now can't be bothered and find it all a bit sore!
shazz I keep seeing pregnant ladies in the hood and wondering if they are you!
The MW appointment went well thanks ladies. We got the results of the booking in bloods, which were all fine, including the iron levels of which I'm quite proud seeing that I'm a veggie. She found the HB straight away and it was so clear and loud, totally amazing! Baby eventually got fed up with the probe being shoved into it and made wooshy noises as he kicked it! The only slightly
very worrying thing was that they found a trace of protein in my urine today. The MW said they don't worry about it at this stage, but of course I am <imagines decaying placenta>.
Good luck vanilla and ceara! Vanilla sorry I don't know anything about progesterone. Are you still spotting? I meant to say earlier that my baby is a frostie too.
ceara do you have a scan today as well as the results? Hope seeing your baby is magical.
al I'm not enjoying the heat either and I'm not even that pregnant! Thank god my work has air con. When I got home last night, I resorted to soaking my feet in a tub of cold water.
foody pleased to hear you are doing ok. Hope you have a well deserved lovely holiday.
Gotta go! Hope everyone else is ok.
Gin don't worry about the protein - most likely a UTI if anything.
Spotting stopped yesterday - fingers crossed that is it.
Peed on the other CB digital
and the bought 2 more on eBay which has reassuring changed to 2-3 weeks.
gin I think I have a UTI so am drinking lots of Cranberry juice yuk did they send your sample away for testing?? Glad all went well with the MW, when did they take your blood test, i am hoping to get all my results on Friday
vall I was told with progesterone that if you are taking some sort of progesterone supplement then the reading isn't really accurate. Different places will tell you it should be different levels, one place said should be up to 47 another place said it should be 100, I just upped the dose and the spotting stopped, that was all I needed. I don't think they test progesterone as a rule, they tested it when I had my HCG done, usually when your HCG reaches over 2500 they stop the blood tests as they can scan you and see things
ceara thinking of you today
shaz sounds like little shazzlett enjoyed the ride to
expat I'm with you on the heat, I am physically attached to my fan at the moment
foody, hope you're ok and enjoy your holiday. Sounds great.
ceara, good luck today.
vallinna, I know nothing of progesterone but hope your spotting stops now.
Gin, I frequently had little traces of protein in my pee samples but it never developed into anything.
shazz, no advice here as I just couldn't have pregnant sex due to a complete mental and physical block. Extra blood flow makes sense though. (Or she is squirming with embarrassment...)
Al Trenchlet is surprisingly ok in the heat, I keep her out of the sun completely and I think she feeds more than ever but she's hardly broken sweat. I, on the other hand, have sunburnt shoulders which are driving me mad. I hate sunburn and can't believe I was so busy applying sun cream to everyone else but forgot myself. Such martyrdom.
Hello to everyone else!
Thanks Buzzy - makes sense. My worry is I hear of everyone being on Gestone injections and I am 'only' on 3 bum bullets a day (or punani pellets as my DH decided was hilarious ) - which is actually 1200mg of progesterone.
Still waiting to hear on levels (incl. HCG) from clinic. GOING.INSANE.
I only ever took two bum bullets a day. And I think they wanted over 45.
They only tested progesterone at 4 weeks, then at 5 weeks, I think
despite me mentalling when I stopped the bullets
vall it doesn't stop the worry, I was on two cyclogest and had a lot of bleeding, I was advised to take an extra bullet there is great debate whether injections or ullets are best, I think they are very similar, my clinic was overseas and they gave me injectables, they should give you the results soon, they should let you know if it is low and they should retest you when they do your next HCG test in 48 hours
I think if I remember rightly that it it's good for prog to be over 15/20 and preferably higher. The blood test doesn't measure the prog bum bullets, only the progesterone that you're producing. Really hoping you get good numbers.
I'm still taking two a day and my cervix has been really long all the way through. It's 5cm now and it should normally be around 3 at 32 weeks. Who knows if they're having an effect but I'm too superstitious to stop now.
Keep, I think it's a girl but don't know why.
We collected our pram and bought a few other bits. The pram looks huge in our home and it's made everything seem very real. We were given a huge amount of stuff by friends. I'm quite stunned at how generous they've been.
So HCG levels were 616.7 which they were pleased with, but obviously don't mean much until we see what Thursday's levels are. Still, I am quietly pleased as it is much higher than with DS at this stage.
Progesterone they considered to be on the low side at 22.1 (although Dr Google here seems to suggest that is normal). Now have Gestone injections ever evening. The nurse did todays as a teaching. No idea ho I will do it myself. She suggested DH helping but he is out too much to be relied upon every evening
plus the thought of my arse, a needle and his hands is not appealing!
Those numbers sound great to me. Brilliant!
Thanks Al was meant to add, getting all the baby kit is pretty exciting. I remember washing all the baby grows and vests and thinking they were hug. DS is in 2-3 year old vests now which are like sails in comparison
What pushchair did you go for
pushchair junkie here
Back from my holidays now, feeling very relaxed but very fat (note to self - constantly huge appetite + holiday in US = lard arse). I've had a read through to see what I've missed - welcome to anyone new and waves to the old timers (no offence meant!)! I'm glad to hear all is going well.
All is well here - feeling very definite movements now (they started around 19 weeks and I'm 19+6 today), to the extent that they make me jump! I don't have my scan until 22 weeks and will then find out the flavour, very excited.
How are the sarf Londoners feeling about our mooted meet-up on Sat 3rd Aug? Still game?
Is everyone OK with this heat? Mariana - is it affecting your DD's sleep?
In an annoying turn of events this thread now crashes my Mumsnet mobile app (no other threads do!) but will try and keep up as best I can
Take care all xx
vall thats good news, you'll get used the injections my husband isn't here so I have t do it to myself
That's good to hear buzzy - it's the pulling the plunger back to check I haven't hit a vein that I am worried will the the hardest with one hand and all contorted
MrsHY1 - this thread crashes both on my phone and iPad.
vall I usually put the first needle in, leave it and do the second one, then I use a bit of kitchen towel to put over the stab wounds, I have hit something and its amazing to watch the blood streak out with such force I am a bit bruised in places, I alternate sides too
vall good news, those sound like good numbers and good too that you're getting the progesterone support. Though boo to more jabs.
MrsHY lovely to hear you can feel kicks, and expat, a pram, exciting - makes it all real.
Mariana glad trenchlet is coping with the hot weather but your sunburn doesn't sound fun.
So, my screening test results and scan this afternoon were all fine. Relieved doesn't cover it. As it turned out we didn't "need" the Harmony as the nuchal/combined result was pleasingly low risk (one in a couple of thousand). At my age I had been expecting a much scarier figure, and had it been that scary figure I would have been very grateful for the Harmony result to inform decisions about invasive testing, so I am really glad we chose to have the test. And it is still nice to have the extra reassurance of the Harmony result and its comforting 1:10,000 risk.
Everything looked OK with the little one for this stage on the scan, too. The one negative note was my subchorionic hematoma still being visible (boo hiss) but the doctor was confident from its appearance and small size that it is reabsorbing uneventfully. I have certainly had no bleeding for 3+ weeks now. So, all in all, phew. The next scan seems a very long way away now, though.
As to shazz's question, I have been on, ahem, "pelvic rest" because of the bleeding, so chance would be a fine thing :-)
Good luck for your 12 week scan on Friday buzzy. Yours will be fine too (touches wood and crosses fingers) though it is always so hard to keep positive and believe in good news for ourselves, I know. Only a couple more days to wait now.
Hi to everyone else too.
Keep you are home in less than a week? That's so exciting.
Expat fantastic that your stuff has arrived. I bet it makes it all the more real. I'm changing my mind about thinking that shazlett is a boy. My neat bump seems to be spreading east and west around my hips. Does that mean its a girl? Where are you on the old wives tales? I'm about 50/50 with some it's a boy and with others it's a girl !
Vall. Great news re levels and no spotting. Ouch to injections. Hats off to you and buzz for the gesterone injections. They sound awful. It will all be worth it though.
Gin i haven't been out and about in the hood much although we did go to a swing dance thing as part of the Streatham festival on Saturday night. It was in the hall that the NCT classes are in and I was hoping and wondering if by chance you might be there! I'm also veggie. Do you eat fish? How closely as you thinking about protein intake? I think I'm doing ok but then every now and then have a panic that shazlett will be tiny due to lack of something. Re DTD I have not been up for it at all which is a shame. However suddenly in Monday night I was overwhelmed and 5 months of frustration came out. No wonder shazlett got a shock
Buzz sorry about uti. That's miserable.
Mariana squirming with embarrassment is probably about right! Poor little thing. Ouch re sunburn.
MrsH welcome home. I'm definitely up for 3rd aug. can't wait. It will be really lovely to meet you all. Where shall we go? Last time we met for lunch at carluccios in covent garden but that was only 3 of us. Depending on numbers we could change. We arranged it via PM last time. My app also crashes. Very annoying. I restart my phone and that sorts it.
Ceara. Hurrah! Welcome to the 1:10000 club! Lovely news and such a relief. Did you get your DVD?
Afm all fine. I'm working at the graduation ceremonies all week which is intense but I'm home by 4pm. Last night I slept for an hour and a half I was so tired. And my feet are like balloons. I'm going to try soaking them in cool water tonight.
Have a good day. X
Weird about the crashing eh? I've tried restarting my phone but to no avail. Maybe I'll uninstall then reinstall the app again.
Ceara that's such good news about your Harmony tests, you must be so relieved. Did they say when your haematoma is supposed to go away completely - or does it vary? Do you have to stay on 'pelvic rest' until it's gone?
Buzzy good luck for the scan, those 12 weeks seem to have come around very quickly but I bet they've dragged and dragged for you, with everything you went through in the early weeks.
Shazz I think it's supposed to be high for a boy and low for a girl (bump wise), but I seem to remember this was another myth that Bumpology put pay to! Have you googled the Chinese gender predictor? That's hilarious. Apparently I'm having a boy and the girl I sit next to at work who's having her 20 week scan and finding out on Friday is having a girl. I'll let you know if it works! Your poor balloony feet. I think cold water should help. Let us know so we can rip off your tip!
Brill - well let's arrange re 3rd Aug via PM then. I can't remember if Dildals was around but I think Gin was? Happy to go central or come to Streatham if it is just you and Gin?
I lurk. Like a big ole lurky thing with feet the size of Wales.
I'm also up for 3rd. If anyone wants to host it, I will offer to make the cakes and bring them along. I am making cakes for 150 people on Friday for my mum and dad's 40th wedding anniversary. I must be crazy (but they are worth it). Red velvet cake pop and cupcake anyone ?
Just popping in quickly...
cearea I'm sooo pleased all was well with the harmony test and hope you are feeling a tad more relaxed (although I just seem to find new worries...)
vall so pleased all was well with your blood tests and good luck with the injections <shudder>.
Welcome back mrshy
I am def up for the meet up on the 3rd. Obvs v happy for it to be in streatham, but covent garden or southbank good too. Fraid I can't host as have a teeny tiny lounge, which won't fit more than 2 people at a time! I think buzzy was interested too? Lets PM to organise.
shazz I can bore you with my protein worries when we meet! I don't eat fish and v much doubt I get enough...
shazz I heard it was low bump = boy and high bump = girl. Those old wives need to get their story straight, it is too confusing. Another old wives' tale gender predictor is glossy hair and glowing skin = boy, lank hair and looking rough = girl, but feel free not to disclose whether or not you currently look like something the cat dragged in. (My dearly beloved says we're definitely having a girl...)
*buzzy, I hope the UTI is clearing up. Reading buzzy's post, the gestone injections you and vall are having sound pretty hardcore. Hope you are coping OK. It's amazing how we end up doing these things and find the reserves to take them in our stride, but boo again to having to continue jabbing.
Yes I got my bonus scan DVD. My hot tired computer won't play it though so I am sulking a little :-) Yesterday was indeed a huge relief and I think I am going to manage a few days off from stressing. Though I think you are so right, gin, that it will then be onwards and upwards to the next anxiety! It is great to have the wisdom of all of you who are further ahead to lean on :-)
Good luck for tomorrow vall
Buzzy two needles?! I just have one. I set up the syringe and needle, break the Gestone bottle and draw the liquid then stab, draw back to make sure I haven't hit a vein then slowly inject. Massage afterwards and walk around for a bit. Just did my first solo effort
feeling particularly proud of myself and did it straight away!
Ceara great news on the scan. Less so on the haematoma but if you have any more bleeding at least you have a good idea of where it is coming from.
Pelvic rest eh?! I have told DH no shagging until 12 weeks
he's not to know the clinic just hasn't said anything
Shaz hope your feet aren't too painful. I possess the world's ugliest trotters so any swelling only adds to the monstrosity!
Crapping myself about the HCG tomorrow. Praying and praying we have levels doubling.
ceara good news on your scan
vall I am on 100mls or something like that so I do it two small syringes as that is what they sent me, can't wait for it to end, your hcg level will be great tomorrow
I went to the GP today, white cells in sample so she gave me some antibiotics and I have to do another sample tomorrow, i'll see how I go I don't really want to take the drugs but then I worry about having an infection, immune levels etc, I have to say this heat is too much along with the sickness and indigestion which seem to be back with a vengeance
Hi all and hi lurky noks. I have also taken to lurking of late. 16 weeks on Sat which is a huge way along but still not used to the idea or excited at all. Saw midwife today though and she was telling me to be cautious which bizarrely pissed me off! I think I want her to try to persuade me everything is ok, when she actually said not to buy anything until 20weeks. I probs won't anyway but still think she is grumpy.
Finish for the 6week hols next week, can't wait. Have done 15 weeks with only a couple of days off in between which is normally fine but could have done with some more breaks...sickness is still here although better and am just huge and melty and shattered! Feeling happier though which is nice.
Can anyone give me a rundown of where everyone is? Is expat ready for popping next? And then mrshy?
Twinny people dildals and sweetie we are going for the mountain buggy duo, bloody awesome. Same size as a normal puschair and takes two maxi cosi car seats. Costs a fortune but love it.
buzzy hope all is well with the scan. How mad is it still to be here! (iykwim).
shazza we have added yet more random names if you want them...are you any closer to choosing yet?
Hi to val and ceara and juicy and anyone I have missed, sorry!
Ooh buzzy x posted... I am on two sets of tablets for sickness which mean I'm only sick twice each morning, which is so much better than it used to be. Consultant says they are usually used for chemo patients...odansetron for the anti sickness and ranitidine to help with my stomach to help the sickness more. Tried Three lots of drugs before anything worked so do persist!
thanks crisps I am feeling a little better now but before it was horrendous, I shall write those names down, I have tried buccastem cycilzine and omeprazole, I wonder if the sickness continues i'll need something
crisps we are going for a mountain duet buggy which is even smaller than the duo. we have already bought the carry cots from ebay. we are going to get buggy and car seats after 20 week scan.
Hi All! Can I join? I recognise lots of names from thw egg buddies thread. Got my positive blood test yesterday and I'm spiralling into insanity!
Welcome nooknook and many congratulations. Very exciting. Hang out here with us. These girls are the best.
Noks. Good luck with the bakathon. I'm happy for you all to come to me but it might not be convenient for Noks and buzz who are coming from Surrey. Also fairy might be able to make it and its the other side of the world for you! If this weather holds what about a picnic? Noks could make cakes and we could all bring something. A lazy afternoon in the park would be lovely and very purse friendly!
Gin happy to discuss nutrition <grabs numerous books to pack for the meet>. I'm a little obsessed about it having had to navigate the elimination diet business whilst prepping for treatment and now in pregnancy. A quick protein tip though is a good quality protein powder. Not the tastiest thing but fine in a fruit smoothie. Cause I'm no dairy (sort of) I have a hemp one. Mine is pulsin and you can get it on amazon. It was recommended by a nutritionist.
Ceara and mrsH DP confirmed that my bump is low so apparently that means I'm having a boy or a girl! Those old wives were clearly abit doolally . I also heard that you are beautiful whilst pregnant with a boy while a baby girl robs the mother of her beauty. Charming!
Vall well done for the stabbing. Good luck for today fingers crossed the levels are nice and high.
Buzz poor you with the antibiotics. And to you and crisps for the anti sickness drugs. Oh my goodness. It must seem like the drug taking never stops. I knew I was lucky to avoid sickness but didn't really realise how bad it was for you guys. Twice a day is good? I really feel for you.
Crisps I can't believe your MW. What a shame she isn't more positive. Do you feel you need more support? Can you change? You need someone you can trust and feel good about to see you through this time. Hurrah for the school holidays though.
Fairy randomly I dreamt about you last night. And your role in the dream had nothing to do with the context in which we have met! Do you play tennis by any chance?!
I'm jealous of you twinnie types with your buggies all picked out. I'm still so confused. Apparent DP came home yesterday and I'd fallen asleep on the sofa propped up with my feet up on the back of the sofa (apparently they need to be higher than my heart to help reduce swelling) and id been watching pushchair reviews on the iPad. He took a picture!
I did soak my feet in cold water and it was blissful. The swelling went down for a bit but then came back later. Last night I