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Young mother in tears as GP tells her not to have more children(37 Posts)
just read this in the telegraph, how awful, i had to share.www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/population/10061760/Young-mother-in-tears-as-GP-tells-her-not-to-have-more-children-she-claims.html i would be so if this was me.
Some of the comments on there are foul
i know some people are cant really say on here. any way, poor woman. glad she made a complaint to the practice.
Well it's not the GP's job to tell her to have another child or not BUT it's an issue everybody always has a view on and tbh if she is going to get prgenant again she will met people who think it's fab and people who think she's crazy. Is she going to burst in to tears everytime The GP was probably wondering if she would want to go on a longer lasting form of contraception.
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I'm just wondering how on earth they square what they said in he first paragraph: "Mother-of-two Charlotte Comer, 21, went to get antibiotics for her tonsillitis."
with the last paragraph: "A statement issued by the NHS said that the doctor had offered well intended advice on contraception."
Since when has contraception been part of the assessment/treatment protocol for a patient with a sore throat?!?
northernlurkeri see your point about other people having views and opinions, it is controversial and yes you can expect it from certain people, but perhaps as a gp, he should of been more professional and not let his personal opinions and views effect the way he treats his patient. imo
Antibiotics can stop the pill from working. So it isn't weird for contraception to have been mentioned.
When DS was born, I went to the GP to get some ABs for a water infection when he was about three weeks old. The doctor questioned my date of birth, because I was 18 when he was born, then looked at me with raised eyebrows when I confirmed that the year was correct on the screen. Patronizing bastard.
It's fucking horrific being a young mum sometimes.
Hope this individual is okay.
I bet they wouldn't have said they same thing if she was middle class, married and ten years older.
It's clear from the report that he said considerablly more than an enquiry about whether his patient was on any other medication.
sirboobalot i got this off my mw when i fell pregnant the second time, she said maybe we should discuss contraception so it doesn't happen again, i told her i was happy to be preg and that i'm old enough to make my own decisions. i don't know if she realized how patronizing she was. i was 19 with my first and 20 with my second. but your right i doubt i she would of said that had i been 30.
this country is becoming overpopulated because of its open door policy not because of poor mothers like this.
its is a well known fact that the average English family only have 2.4 children.
this doctor is a complete arse.
This sounds like something my previous gp would have said. At dc3 6week check, he asked me if all my children had the same father? When I told him yes, he said he was surprised.
I personally think that people should be more responsible about the number of children they have. We're certainly stopping at two.
However, i would never ever dictate my views to anyone else- it's a personal choice that we've made. And saying we should adopt China's one child policy is just flipping nuts.
This GP had no right to spout his personal views to this woman, and i do agree he wouldn't have said it if she was slightly older (i had my first in my teens, so i know how people think it's ok to talk down to you and tell you how you should be parenting). I'm glad she's kicking up a stink and i hope the GP is reprimanded for his actions.
I can believe it.
When I was 22, unmarried and pregnant my GP gave me a lecture on how I should get married to DP as it would increase the chances of us staying together.
One memorable line was "you'll get lots of presents like a dinenr set and someone may even buy you a washing machine"
Both myself and dp had good jobs, owned our home and I had a perfectly fine washing machine as well as a Denby dinner set. I complained about that old witch.
Five years old but news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7071611.stm says that the average family only has 1.8 children.
We're stopping at 2 because I can't imagine coping with more (despite both DP and I being from large families)
If the average family only has 1.8, there's plenty of room for families with 3 (or more) kids before we even bring the average up to maintain our population - and that'll need to be the younger mothers because if most people are starting late they'll just not have time to fit more than one or two in.
The GP was unbelievably rude but tbf she is quite young to have two children
Perhaps it was a contraception talk gone wrong.
He should have been talking to her about her BMI. That's what my GP normally yaps onto me about.
i had two children at 21, 4 years later ive just had my third, im treated so differently now, until i mention ds and dd1.
oh and shock horror they all have the same dad and we have a rock solid relationship. Hate this kind of crappy judgements.
Sounds like the GP was having a shit day. Yes, inappropriate comments but they seem more of a general rant than a personal attack on the patient.
Maybe if GPs didn't have to mop up the mess that people make of their lives day in and day out and had more than 5 minutes per patient, they would be all sunshine and smiles and full of positive comments for everyone!
When pregnant with ds4 the registrar informed me that I could be steralised during my elcs, I was 33 so not young. I've had lots of contraception advice from the gp over the last 2 years. (3 pg in 2 years) including "you will be ok using nothing for a few weeks as your breast feeding" I won't be listening to that advice!
"mop up the mess people make of their lives" if you don't want to help people don't become a gp!
I would have told him to stfu and stormed out. Cheeky sod.
The GP was way out of order and I can understand why the woman was upset. Why it's national news, I'm not so sure.
The mother is a travel agent on maternity leave (her baby is 7 months) and her partner is a courier. One comment in the DT said 'tell her to stop having kids so she can go back to work and her partner can have a rest'. Oh, okay, so who'll look after the kids and how will they afford wrap-around childcare?? The ignorance of some people to the realities of life astounds me.
I had my 2nd at 20, at his 6 week check my gp said to me, shall we sort some contraception out, another baby now would be a disaster! I'd had the implant in the day before but no it wouldn't have been a disaster. I'm not planning a dc3 but that's up to us to decide!
That's nothing, when I was a teenager I had an abortion and at a check up my (female) gp asked me if I'd thought about sterilization! I was 18.
I have had crappy comments esp when I had ds1 and ds2. And surprised health care professionals saying 'how well we were coping given how young we were' or did I know about college courses so I could still get qualifications despite being a young mum...I had just graduated from university with a 2:1.
Have also has 'do they all have the same dad' amd when in had to take dd (no 5) for a check up the go said 'you do know you can use contraception and not have so many children'... He wanted to know why we had a fifth, I said 'well we had one more space in the car and figured we may as well use it up' he looked at me like and clearly didn't get the sarcasm...
well my doctor is the opposite...... I was talking to her about my pcos (which had disappeared and I had a baby, then had reappeared) and she joked and said, well you could always see if you could have another baby!
So many of the comments reported from GPs are totally out of line. The only question should ever be 'are you ok for contraception? Would you like to talk about it?' That seems something fine to ask when someone has a young baby as obviously the haven't needed any for nine months. Any comments on family size or 'appropriateness' of pregnancy is not a medical matter.
Time to use the classic line... 'Would you be able to put that commemt in writing for me...?'
There are things a GP should check at appointments. They should check if a woman of child bearing age is happy with her contraception and / or if it needs a review. If a woman is about to take antibiotics, then they are supposed to warn a woman on the pill that the effectiveness of the pill may be compromised and they should use alternatives. They will even have the audacity to suggest what those alternatives might be.
Sometimes GPs try to crack a joke or be light hearted. Sometimes they are abrupt and humourless. Clearly, they shouldn't be rude, go off on one or be unprofessional, but the most important thing is that they get their medical advice correct.
I'm not a GP, but I have family members and friends who are & on the whole they bust a gut for their patients. Most of them are forced to see patients in 5 minute slots with emergencies shoehorned in wherever possible. They don't just deal with medical matters but a whole host of social problems that people have no one else to go to with. Quite a few of them heartily wish they'd never become GPs, particularly now patients are trying to sue them!
LadyMedea - Feeling depressed when someone can't cope with the demands of their young children, husband and job isn't strictly speaking a medical matter either - but somehow it is the GP who ends up trying to help find the solution.
I just really struggle with articles like this, because they are so inflammatory. This was on the Daily Fail the other day and it's just pure "let's all get outraged and angry" journalism. Yes, it's bad. Yes, that Doctor's probably a bit of a twunt. But people generally can be arseholes, and this has been investigated by the surgery, so who actually cares?
I can understand how she feels. I'm 18 and three months pregnant. I was taking the pill and we were using condoms but I still got pregnant; just one of those things. But I have had some rude comments from GP's and midwifes due to my age, like "and do you know who the father is?" Which I found shocking - I've been with my partner since I was fourteen years old and we have a rock solid relationship. I would complain if I was her.
Of course depression whether caused by a hormonal imbalance or due to life circumstances is the job of a gp to deal with either with prescription medication if necessary or a referral to a councellor or CBT, whatever I deemed appropriate and then part of the gps job is to minister their patient and see that they are OK and if there is a need for further treatmemr/referral.
Gps that say its not their job are probably like the one I saw after ds4 when i had post natal psychosis, I knew I wasn't well and went back to the gp numerous times who told me I was a my of four and knew what I was doing! Helpful not, had I got early treatment I may well have not needed the inpatient treatment in a psych unit, but a go with the attitude that I should pull myself together and a HV who was useless meant I didn't get the treatment until I needed hospitalisation.
5madthings - firstly sorry to hear about your post natal psychosis.
On a more general note, when the GP is trying to find out about what is causing the depression or contributing to it, would it be ok for them to ask about family size?
GPs sometimes have to ask very personal questions to get to the bottom of problems.
If a parent is really struggling to look after their current children - is it ok for the GP to ask if they have thought about contraception, so they don't accidentally add to the burden they are struggling to cope with at that particular moment in time?
When a patient goes in and says they are depressed, but they don't know why, the GP has to try and find out if it may be hormonal, exhaustion, situational etc etc. They then have to make some kind of judgement as to whether ADs will help or CBT might be a useful solution. They also have to balance that ideal solution with the knowledge that the patient in question may not be able to access the CBT or counselling for 6 - 8 weeks and so on.
Asking about contraception is fine, making judge mental comments on family size is not, there is a big difference between the two. Ditto personal questions to help establish what is going on and find out why someone is depressed is fine but making judge mental comments and assumptions is not.
but where do you draw the line between judgemental and advice?
For instance, teenager goes in and says they are depressed. Life feels hopeless and they don't know what to do. GP asks about life & it turns out teenager does nothing other than bunk off school wherever possible and stays at home to watch tv. GP thinks about referral to CAMHS, but realises that teen turns 18 in a few months & by the time CAMHS get around to seeing them, the teen will no longer be covered by them. GP is reluctant to start a 17 year old on ADs, so starts trying to suggest things to do. Is suggesting activities and a course of action for a teen judgemental (because you are making the middle class assumption that doing nothing is bad) or is it helpful? None of it is really medical.
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