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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE Mon 01-Apr-13 18:03:32

We need a new thread.

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.

There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

I used to include extracts from MOH's wonderful website
https://sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/
but I think that makes this link less visible so am merely putting the link. The information on this site is invaluable for sufferers, with information about medications, coping strategies, hospital admissions, useful links, advice for family members, and much more.

I would like to thank MOH MOP Ovaltine bluebirdsunshine (I think she's changed her nickname) Fluffy, Horsey Kalidasa, Nannyl and Everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.

nannyl Mon 01-Apr-13 18:19:34

hello.

marking my place.... entering 3rd trimester of what i now intend to be second / final pregnancy as have had enough HG forever, and dont want to experience it again!

(OH has other ideas though....)

Kw2013 Mon 01-Apr-13 18:26:01

nannyl I completely understand I told mine there was no chance we are having anymore!

LucindaE thank you for making this group hopefully it will help me survive the next few weeks!

Tallyra Mon 01-Apr-13 18:33:24

Marking my place, hiya!
I'm no currently suffering but have in the last and probably will in the future!

honeymoonmum Mon 01-Apr-13 18:38:48

Hello marking my place too , 6 weeks + with DC3 and was duped into it by DC2 not being so bad and that old chestnut time making me forget how horrific pregnancy was with DC1. Currently lying in bad watching sweet little DSs play waiting for DH to get back with some lemonade, thought I might feel like some and SO thirsty. HG is a bastard bitch arsehole and someone should invest in finding a cure!!!!!

HumphreyCobbler Mon 01-Apr-13 18:46:53

hello

I have my scan on thursday, just the viability one they offer where I am and my nuchal scan on the wednesday after. I am terrified beyond words, I only let myself think about it today and I wish I hadn't. Sadly I am more used to getting bad news at scans than good news, I know I am not alone in this and I DO have two DC so actually consider myself lucky.

I have not had HG before (really I think I was only on the cusp of it this time really, although it felt pretty bad) but I felt truly dreadful in my last pregnancy that ended in miscarriage at twelve weeks, so I don't feel comforted by the thing they always say about feeling dreadful = healthy pregnancy. I am not going to try again if this ends badly, I just cannot face being this ill and not being about to do anything for so long. Does this sound selfish?

I think I may need to up my dose of promethezine as I am starting to throw up again, although nothing like as badly as before.

LucindaE Mon 01-Apr-13 18:48:11

KW A pleasure, it is awful for you still to be suffering, of course you want the baby out! I remember someone on here said when baby arrived 'Thank f* for that' and the midwife was shocked!
wavesandsmiles You mustn't go to work! Tut, tut, for going beforem mother hen is flapping her wings in horror.You've got enough to cope with with this being so bad and OH and having to go in to hospital every day, how ill you are is obvious to anyone who has any glimmer of understanding. Surely you can get another sick note? I am sure the consultant would agree.you shouldn't work, as a chocolate teapot or anything else! Sorry about rash.
Humphrey So agree. 'Hero of the Female Species'.
Hayley Sorry you still feel so rubbish, I think it is only the lucky ones who get a big improvement before fourteen to sixteen weeks, but once those good days start happening, it is usually the turn around.
Honeymoon Horrors about sandwich. I was at my worst around ten weeks, but I started off more slowly than most on here. Congratulations on walk.
Princess Congratulations on improvement, I so agree about crisps. My diet was crisps and flat coke at one time, plus sips of tepid water and ice lollies.
Does anyone find those ice lollies of any use? Or jelly? Or the juice of tinned fruit? At various times I was helped by those, but peach squash I never tried. Is it the sort you dilute?
Nannyl Lovely to hear from you, and now in the third tri!
I've lost my messages to two people, back in a moment.
Lucinda
xx

LucindaE Mon 01-Apr-13 19:02:24

Two lost messages from my last post. Littleducks How brave of you to keep going in such circs, how are the meds working? OH may be unwell, but you are iller.
Humphrey Hugs about scan. I had an mmc and found scans terrifying after that, best of luck, it was too bad to get Hypremesis and have a misarriage, only one of those is bad luck. Talyra Peach squash on your list and hugs about your losses, too. Any news of meeting with consultant?
Sorry to anyone I've rudely overlooked.
Lucinda
xx

PrincessRichards Mon 01-Apr-13 20:36:26

Just marking my place too then I'll catch up on everyone's posts!

I've had my 12 week scan today and everything seems fine, nice to see a healthy baby moving round despite being so poorly

BikeRunSki Mon 01-Apr-13 20:47:13

Hello ladies, sorry to hear you are all suffering. It has, fortunately, been almost two years since I was on the predecessors to this thread), but I was wondering if you'd come across Pregnancy Sickness Support. It is very useful.

Just marking my place. I'm now 25 weeks with DC4 and today I've been trying to read up on sterilisation...

Hi, marking my place, and a hello to kw I'm 23 weeks now, and even at this stage, thinking, next week the baby would be viable. It makes me feel TERRIBLE to be on a countdown to the arrival already. DD was induced at 37 weeks due to my kidney problems and was fine.

I'm fed up, and getting bored of being at hospital every day, but it is doing me so much good. I can now eat for a few hours after the IV ondansetron, and am obviously getting 1 - 2 litres of IV fluids daily which is keeping me functioning. I just wish that I could function without all this!

STBXH has totally moved out, and I feel weirdly better knowing he isn't around to minimise my physical unwellness anymore. DCs are being super as usual, and I'm now feeling able to grieve a bit, for the loss of everything - marriage, hopes, dreams, the family unit I thought we were creating etc, and start trying to focus on the positives. Like not being made to feel pathetic about the HG, and not having to compromise on my parenting decisions!

PrincessRichards Mon 01-Apr-13 21:50:35

I don't think any of us should feel guilty for counting down the days, I think the only reason we do it are because of the ladies that breeze through pregnancy and enjoy every second. I'm sure we all want to feel that too and that's why we feel guilty for wanting baby hear. I'm just going to be honest and say pregnancy, I'm not a fan.....but what I get at the end will be worth it.

Waves, sorry for the tough times you're going through but you sound like you're coping better since he moved out and you don't have to justify how ill you are. Thinking of you and hope you get some easier days soon

Kw2013 Mon 01-Apr-13 22:04:22

I had my little girl at 38 weeks so I am hoping my little boy comes around then too.. Counting down to 38 weeks seems bareable.. Thinking it could be another 5 weeks (until 42 weeks) scares me.. I have had a really bad couple of days and keto sticks are showing ketones so I'm going to try and battle the night and hope to get some fluids down to avoid another trip to hospital.. I can not wait for him to be here and want more than anything for him to be happy and healthy but I couldn't help myself and asked my consultant if I could be induced at 40 weeks if I get that far instead of waiting until 42 (I know it's selfish to rush the pregnancy but I am really struggling and I know from scans that he is fine and my dates are 100% accurate) he told me that every mother is fed up and a bit sick at the end and I should of thought about that before getting pregnant sad
I'm sorry it took so long to reply managed to get a few hours sleep and thankful everyone for making me feel welcome on this forum and please please don't think badly of me I promise I love this little boy so much and would never want any harm to come to my baby I am just really fed up of being pregnant sad

Tallyra Mon 01-Apr-13 22:09:15

hi Lucinda, no word yet from the referral, still waiting for acknowledgement. Thanks for the sympathy. I've had my fair share of scans with horrible outcomes, usually after having one that is all fine. I no longer have much thought about them, I go pretty numb.

Waves if it makes you feel any better, I spent weeks wishing that I would be OK with terminating this pregnancy and then I just wanted to get to 24 weeks and no further. No-one seemed to understand that I was struggling so much that I genuinely felt more able to cope with a 24 weeker on the neo-natal unit than carrying on with pregnancy. I have improved very slowly and have managed a day today without any ondansetron. I've been here before though and don't expect to have another good day tomorrow. At least I've had some relief from the side effects of ondansetron today blush

fl0b0t Mon 01-Apr-13 22:53:49

Hi all,
Hope you've all coped with the long weekend, cooking smells etc etc?

Good news from me is that I am tentatively feeling better. I'm 16weeks tomorrow, growing a ridiculously large bump ( in comparison to my scrawny-for me- frame) and doing ok. So not to gloat but hopefully light at the end of the tunnel for a few of you. I still feel nauseous when I'm hungry or tired but I've had a few retch and puke free days and have been able to do a bit more than previously. Starting to get the nursery sorted has been hard work but fun smile

honeymoon-interesting you said about soapy smells on the last thread, one of the only things that sets me off at the moment is washing up liquid and shampoo! Typically 'nice' smells, but set me off like anything. Horrible horrible.

littleducks Mon 01-Apr-13 23:28:12

I'm sitting watching 'shut up I'm having your baby' in iplayer having had ds's birthday cake. We managed a trip to Hamleys so a pretty successful day.

Dh was pretty ill, just a sore throat cold type thing but it really knocked him for six, think he'd been burning the candle at both ends a bit trying to juggle everything whenever I was in hospital. He was so disappointed as bank holiday weekend is all he is having off for Easter holidays and wanted to do fun stuff with kids. I tried to quarantine him a bit but fairly sure dd has a spot on her tonsils..... really not looking forward to ill children.

KW- I wouldn't worry about seeming selfish wishing the last few weeks if pregnancy away, I'm counting down and am just about 12-13 weeks!

Haylebob- I think it was you asking about when you know it's time to stop anti emetics. I reckon it's when you forget to take a tablet and realise when it's time to take the next one not when it spins you in to a vomit cycle.

Kw2013 Tue 02-Apr-13 07:08:17

Worst night ever sad managed to get about 2 hours sleep on my bathroom floor have now admitted defeat and am waiting for OH to wake up and drive me to the doctors.. I hope the morning is better for everybody else!

Tallyra Tue 02-Apr-13 08:56:37

hugs kw!!! hope you het admitted quickly.

honeymoonmum Tue 02-Apr-13 09:07:10

Thinking of you kw hope you get some relief. I didn't take my avomine last night and feel exactly the same today so it's definitely not doing anything. Back to GP today if I can haul myself there. Anyone simply have zero appetite? Just don't want anything to do with food.

LucindaE Tue 02-Apr-13 09:33:12

KW Oh no, I do hope you get admiited easily. How horrible being sick all night is.
Waves Hugs. I can imagine what a wrench it must be, even apart from the Hyperemesis. I saw your wedding photos on your page, and you look so lovely in them. You have to mourn for the loss of all those happy plans. Something will come along to make up for it. Mother hen says bossily you mustn't start trying to get back to work yet.
Sorry for all suffering. Flo that is brilliant news. Back soon.
Lucinda
xx

fl0b0t Tue 02-Apr-13 10:04:23

honeymoon your sickness sounds so much like mine was! I barely ate 2-300 calories a day for a couple of weeks (not that much of it stayed down) with no appetite at all. I found it really hard to get to the GP to get my medication changed so stupidly suffered through it not really working for a couple of weeks. I'm now on my third month of promethazine or whatever it is, but too terrified to stop taking it even though I think I'm feeling better!

hotcrosbum Tue 02-Apr-13 10:52:41

Hello! Not been around for a few days, had my head down the loo most of the time.

My dh is has gone 360 degrees and is currently being the most supportive parnter on earth. Had first scan on saturday, he cried, that has helped turn him around, thank god.

I am sooooooo happy it's the easter hold, no uni for me and no 2 and a half mile round trip walk of a school run to do with ds so I can rest.

hotcrosbum Tue 02-Apr-13 10:54:51

Oh, and scan showed I was 7 weeks, not 8 weeks like I thought? There was a heartbeat, so fine, but I cried my eyes out at the thought of having another week of sickness. Personally, I think it's worng as 7 weeks would mean a crappy poundland test gave me a strong positive at 3 weeks (8 days before my period was due, rather than one day before as I know I was).

Lotta1234 Tue 02-Apr-13 11:05:01

Hello,

Marking my place. Hoping to make it back to work this week ...

Hotcross early scans can be inaccurate. More so if you have a retroverted uterus. And great news about dh.

Flobot am off the promethazine and feeling better for it.

Sorry no time to name check all.

X

hotcrosbum Tue 02-Apr-13 11:13:07

Lotta, I know I am back again for another one next friday, I am positive I am 8 weeks ..... my period was due on a sat, I did a pos test on the friday and I was having strong symptoms (sore breasts, tiredness, nausea etc) from the sat before my period was due, I am sure that it will be corrected to my dates.

honeymoonmum Tue 02-Apr-13 11:25:02

First hospital admission, scared sad what can I expect?

HumphreyCobbler Tue 02-Apr-13 12:31:41

honeymoonmum, I don't know as it never happened to me but hand holding here XXX

Glad you saw a heartbeat hotcross, sorry you are a week back though. And pleased to hear you are feeling a bit better fl0.

kw how are things? Really hope you are being looked after.

I feel a bit down, at hospital as usual having been to work this morning. Definitely not the right thing as was waking up in the night to be sick. I was weighed and am 1.5 kilos down on last week so feeling rather rubbish about that. Hopefully I'll feel a bit brighter soon once the IV ondansetron kicks in and the fluids are through.

I'm so sad about my marriage, I was so happy and even with what he did I thought we could make things work. But he was not remotely committed to that so I'm trying to face up to the new reality. Baby is giving some hefty kicks now which is reassuring.

Hoping you all have an easier week

Honeymoonmum it depends on your hospital. Expect to need to produce a urine sample and be giving fluids and anti-sickness straight in to a vein. Some hospitals admit on a day case basis, others keep you in overnight and won't discharge until you can do certain things (tolerate oral fluids, light diet, wee max 2+ ketones, manage with oral meds, for example). Some hospitals are great and stick you straight on ondansetron, others faff about with other meds first.

Don't be worried about going in though. Just rest and let them care for you.

honeymoonmum in my experience, hospital admissions are super as you will leave feeling so much better. Urine analysis, probably taking bloods but that is simpler as they can take them from the cannula as I assume you will be on IV fluids. If the meds work, eat as much as you can!

Thinking of you x

Lotta1234 Tue 02-Apr-13 14:15:45

Oh Waves, it is really sad and you've been amazingly strong. Huge hug. You are my HG hero. There's a diagram of the grief/change cycle so what you're feeling is really normal considering what you've been put through. Doesn't make it easier but hope it makes the up-and-downness less worrying. And yay to baby kicking. That's a good sign.

HumphreyCobbler Tue 02-Apr-13 14:43:02

Waves, I am so sorry you have to go through this sadness and stress at a time you are feeling so ill. <hugs>

PrincessRichards Tue 02-Apr-13 14:57:28

Hotcross I know how you feel, my first admission they scanned me and put me back a week, I was devastated. Had 12 week scan and even the extra 2 days they've added makes me gutted! Just want to get to the end now.

Hoped everyone is coping ok whether it's in hospital or on the school run, at work etc

LucindaE Tue 02-Apr-13 15:17:55

Honeymoon You'll feel a lot better when they get some fluids into you. Hugs all round, to Waves I so agree, she is a Hyperemesis Hero (ine) and Hotcross I'm glad OH is behaving. Lotta Mother hen hopes you aren't going back to work too soon.
Who was it who was having a scan,Humpherey was it you? How did it go?
KW Are you in contact from hospital bed? How are you?
Thinking of everyone.
Lucinda
xx

Kw2013 Tue 02-Apr-13 17:30:04

Hi everyone sorry been sleeping a lot.. In hospital got my drip in now and got IV antiemetics.. My iron levels are really low and there has been a bit of talk about induction.. My main consultant is coming in the morning to discuss my options.. Sorry to keep short I'm a bit out of it.

honeymoon I hope your feeling much better soon, try and enjoy the rest!

Pollaidh Tue 02-Apr-13 18:04:21

Hello all.
So glad you're getting support at home now hotcross and glad your children are being great waves, you must be very proud of them.

I had a few good days last week and started to show an interest in life again, but on Friday and Saturday I couldn't keep anything down, not even ice, and ketones were at +3. It was probably stupid but as I couldn't go directly to maternity on a BH, the thought of A&E waiting room with all the drunks and rugger fans on a Sat night was too awful, so I stayed at home. Ketones seem to improve to a trace/+1 on Sun/Mon but I've just measured them and they're between +3 and +4 again. I've been able to eat and drink a little (getting about 300 cals down a day) so I don't understand why they're so bad. Planning on waiting til tomorrow morning and getting an emergency GP appt unless anyone thinks this is really stupid. I can't see any veins in my arms so i guess I am dehydrated, but I'm not being that sick today, just unable to drink much.

Had a scan a week ago and baby is measuring a lot bigger than it can possibly be. Find this hard to fathom given how little I'm managing to eat, and given my stomach is concave and my clothes are hanging off me at 15 weeks, no sign of a bump. Skin on my face is peeling off too. This is so glamorous.

I'm on cyclizine, stemetil and met... something, plus thiamine (yes they are massive and stink).

PrincessRichards Tue 02-Apr-13 18:50:13

Pollaidh it sounds like you really need to get yourself in tomorrow as you say if not before. I'm probably not the best to give advice as I always leave it too long to go but it sounds like you can tell yourself that you need to get in. Isn't it frustrating how you feel like you've turned a corner only a week later to feel like you've done a u turn hmm I've had some good days but still struggling with what I can eat, still very limited and still feel rotten every day hmm

Pollaidh Tue 02-Apr-13 20:49:50

If my ketones reduce again tomorrow, should I push for admission still?

Tallyra Tue 02-Apr-13 21:10:37

I think so Pollaidh. 3 is still admittable.

HumphreyCobbler Tue 02-Apr-13 21:30:07

My scan is on Thursday LucindaE.

I shouldn't really be here on this thread I think, as the meds are really working well for me and I would say I was only suffering from ordinary morning sickness now, although I have been sick two or three times most days I am finding that I can eat most things again without trauma. Of course I also spend a lot of time thinking that this is because it has all gone wrong.

Good luck Pollaidh, hope you get the treatment you need.

Kw2013 - thinking of you in the hospital.

LucindaE Tue 02-Apr-13 22:28:25

Pollidah Oh dear, unless your GP is very sympathetic and good, might be best to go straight to A and E tommorow, depends how quickly GP can get you admitted. Sorry you have to go in. Doesn't look like those meds including the awful Thiamine are doing the good they should...
Poor Everyone lots of admissions on the thread this last few days.
Lucinda
xx

littleducks Wed 03-Apr-13 10:18:22

It is the A and E waiting room that puts me off hosital admissions too, the lights really get to me when I'm dehydrated. At my hospital its quicker from the waiting room inside to a trolley with a GP letter but the actual wait for a gynae dr at this point or a bed on the wardis no quicker, that seems to be influenced by how many other patients dr has to see and where they are (huge distance from wards to a and e in my hospital). At low staffing times its a joint obs/gynae dr on call which leads to even longer waits.

But I must admit once I brave it and after I have had the fluids in for a bit and the IV cyclizine and waited for the head rush/shivering assosciated with that to fade I FEEL MUCH BETTER. And the zoneing out techniques I use to try and ignore all the negatives are an absolutely fantastic in labour!

honeymoonmum Wed 03-Apr-13 10:41:28

Ahhh sigh of relief. They finally got a line I. And 3 litres of fluids plus cyclizine later and I feel human again. Not pleasant but a relief to eat again. Thanks for all your kind wishes and hope everyone else Doing ok. On a plus point only one baby in there!!!!!

Haylebop12 Wed 03-Apr-13 10:56:00

Marking

Haylebop12 Wed 03-Apr-13 10:59:07

Marking place on the shiny new Fred.

little just read your comment... Was at my mums yesterday and she hasn't changed her clocks. Cue my tablet being just an hour late and I've started being sick again. Threw up the tablet I tried to take last night and more than likely will be getting an admission today. Docs later this afternoon but my urine is literally brown and my energy levels are rock bottom.

Guess I'm not ready then....

lucinda got the doctor to sign me off yday two weeks.

littleducks Wed 03-Apr-13 12:17:19

Hayle-Bugger, maybe give it a week or two?

Pollaidh Wed 03-Apr-13 13:17:59

Hmmm. Ketones back to trace this morning. I have a short period most evenings where i can keep some fluids and food down. Maybe this is what is improving my ketones overnight.

I can't see that the hospital will admit me with trace ketones, but I'm concerned that having high ketones every day will be dangerous for the baby.

Any advice please? It doesn't seem clear cut.

pollaidh I keep getting told that none of this at all is dangerous for the baby, just pretty awful for me. My ketones definitely fluctuate, but having the daily fluids is just about keeping me balanced so a little better in myself.

I feel for all those of you having to go via a and e or gps to get treatment. Since my first admission I've been able to call up the ward and come straight up, before the daily regime as soon as ketones hit 3+ that was enough for them to admit me. Benefits of not being part of the nhs and it being a small hospital (I'm in the channel islands)

Best wishes to you all

MOH100 Wed 03-Apr-13 14:23:19

pollaidh most people would consider 300 cals a day to be a starvation diet, -it's good for HG, but it doesn't mean it's good. Ketones are a concern and I think you should push for admission if they become elevated again later in the day. I would also ask for ondansetron, your current meds don't seem to be doing enough if your calorie intake is so low.

LucindaE Wed 03-Apr-13 15:06:49

Poll So agree with MOH about pushing for admission.
Hayley Oh no, brown urine must mean you are dehydrated, really sorry but I think you may have to go in too. Oh dear.
How are KW and others 'inside'? Honeymoon? Littleducks 'Zoning out' sounds good.
Humphrey Two or three times a day isn't ordinary MS, surely, especially with meds, and of course you belong on here.
Princess Those good days will increase, chances are very high.
Waves Ah, channel islands! How are you? I do hope you aren't venturing into work, mother hen is horrified that you or the workplace should even contemplate it. Even on the stretched NHS I've never heard that they have turned away anyone coming in with 3+ ketones, though weirdly, I am horrified to say that they have discharged people who have 3+ ketones after fluids, don't quite understand that. Are there other signs they check for while the IV's being done,I suppose there must be?
Apologies to Anyone rudely ignored.
Lucinda
xx

HumphreyCobbler Wed 03-Apr-13 16:11:27

LucindaE you are so nice. I cannot say how much you and everyone else on this thread has helped me. Thank you.

bodo2 Wed 03-Apr-13 16:18:10

Hi all, first time poster on this thread. Apologies for the ramble. Pregnancy no3. Sick with the first 2, between about 6-20 weeks and put on medication, but this pregnancy has knocked me sideways.

Started being sick 3-4 times a day by about 6 weeks. By 8 weeks, it has escalated, saw GP who gave me Buccastem - tested me for ketones and said 'yes, very high but I'd expect that if you were being very sick'. Buccastem did nothing, by the next day, I was up to about 10-12 episodes. Saw midwife and she suggested I go to the Early Pregnancy Unit. Went the next day and was admitted for 2 days with HG - IV drip and cyclizine. I was so much better in hospital. Ended up taking a week off work (I'm a teacher).

Since coming home 2 weeks ago, I still feel dreadful. They told me to take Cyclizine on an 'if I need it basis'. I've been taking it after my first sick episode in the morning, but most days, within about an hour to two of taking it, I start several episodes of being sick. I'm not sure it's doing anything. I find if I take it when I'm already feeling nauseous, it does nothing to help, but them of course if I'm feeling a bit better, I don't take it. It makes me very drowsy so would rather not take it if I can avoid it. Is thing a 'wrong' strategy? Should I just put myself on it 3 times a day (my max dosage) or should I be looking to change medication? I've got no appetite so eating very little, (which possibly in itself is not helping) and the last few days, been struggling to keep fluids down again.

I'm going in tomorrow for my 12 week scan (at 10 weeks +6) and thought I should go and have a urine test done while I'm there as I've not been checked since I was discharged. I fear I'm going to be admitted again, which is probably the best place for me but just so difficult with my other two kids (age 4 and 2), especially during school holidays and with very few of my friends knowing that I'm pregnant.

Sorry for the ramble, just feel so awful... Any tips, advice or general commiseration welcome! x

HumphreyCobbler Wed 03-Apr-13 16:45:22

hello bodo2. So sorry you are feeling dreadful. I am a teacher too, but thankfully for me not working at the moment. I do think teaching is an especially hard job to do with HG, not that anything with HG is easy.

I found cyclizine made me feel dreadful and swapped to promethezine (sp?) which worked better for me. There are other options for medication too. Have a look at the Pregnancy Sickness Support website if you haven't already.

Can you get some ketostixs and test your ketones yourself? If you are 3+ they should admit you.

bodo2 Wed 03-Apr-13 16:57:07

Thanks, I've had a quick browse on that site. People seem to speak highly of Ondansetron, but I had a quick read up on it today and not sure if it's approved for first trimester.... maybe someone else may know? Where can I get ketostixs from?

So relieved to be on school holidays myself... this last half term has been extremely challenging...

HumphreyCobbler Wed 03-Apr-13 17:01:28

I got mine from Amazon but I think any large chemist should stock them.

I was pregnant whilst working last year (sadly had miscarriage at 12 weeks) and I was very very sick, although I didn't have HG. I count it as the most horrible time of my life tbh, the pressure of keeping up my job whilst feeling as if I had been slowly poisoned was indescribably grim. So I feel your pain <sympathy>

Kw2013 Wed 03-Apr-13 17:37:32

Hi everyone ... Sorry been sleeping lots. I have finally seen my consultant and we have a plan.. He's a bit worried that I am very small and my bump is measuring a lot behind so we are having a scan on Friday morning.. If baby is small or anything is a bit low etc then I am being induced on Friday. If baby is okay then I am having a membrane sweep on Friday, if that doesn't work he will try again a couple of days after and if that doesn't work he is going to induce me at 38 weeks.. So not long until I get to meet my little boy!

Hope everyone has managed to get some rest! bodo2 my doctor gave me mine so it might be worth asking.

honeymoonmum Wed 03-Apr-13 18:02:08

Hi bodo2 welcome and snap! I have two DC aged 4 and 2 and just been in for IV fluids and cyclizine. Feeling totally dreadful now back at home. DH really struggling and shouting at kids (he is a teacher and on hols) and I just lie here feeling awful. Not being sick but really thought I would feel better after hospital and just feel exhausted and shaky. Seriously been thinking of ending this pregnancy. I feel evil for saying it. Slightly at wits end sad

PrincessRichards Wed 03-Apr-13 18:36:43

Hi bodo2 - you sound exactly like me at the start. I'm still on Cyclizine but not sure it's doing much, I did try pushing for something else but they were reluctant but if I was you I would put your foot down as its not nice having to ride it out!

Re: Ketones disappearing and re-appearing, my doc told me on my last admission that you will get ketones if you don't eat enough, so they re-hydrated me but I still showed some because I wasn't able to eat. He wouldn't give me more fluids because they knew it was getting me to eat which was the problem. My advice would be if you feel you need to go in then do it, don't wait until your testing 3+ necessarily if you are showing signs of dehydration then get yourself seen. They could turn you away but at least you've tried, that's how I've handled it and usually did test 3+ in the morning by the time I got there, you might just need some meds and a top up to keep you going grin

littleducks Wed 03-Apr-13 19:17:07

Honeymoonmum- I'm not really pro termination but there are times I have had the dark thoughts. Often coincides with ketones spiking to 4+ so i suppose its a normal vbody reaction. This wasn't exactly a planned pregnancy so it's tough going..... But I tend to just blame dh grin!

Kw- glad there is a plan in place and good luck with scan. I had similar concerns with my first measuring small etc but she was 6lb 11oz despite months of vomiting. For me the sickness disappeared the instant I delivered the placenta, the joy of post birth tea and toast that tasted normal was immense (was obv happy bout baby too wink).

bodo2 Wed 03-Apr-13 19:21:44

Thanks for the tips HumphreyCobbler and Kw2013 re: Ketostix and PrincessRichards re: meds . I'm sorry for your loss HumphreyCobbler. Hope we start to feel better soon honeymoonmum. xxx

Haylebop12 Wed 03-Apr-13 19:30:40

Back in hosp for me. Keytones at 3+. Just awaiting my fluids And drugs :-) can't wait to feel better tomorrow as feeling very sorry for myself right now :-(

PrincessRichards Wed 03-Apr-13 20:08:06

Roll on tomorrow for you Hayle hope the meds and fluids make you feel better soon.

LucindaE Wed 03-Apr-13 21:19:52

Bodo Welcome, oh dear, sorry cyclezine so ineffectual, I think if you can summon the energy it's worth asking for something else - difficult to argue your corner when feeling like something unmentionable. There have never been any abnormalities that our resident expert, MOH has seen with Ondansetron, but it is more expensive still, I think, and for some reason counts as untested though it seems to be the drug routinely prescribed in the US. It's interesting, there have been a lot of teachers on this thread, and the feeling of obligation makes the pressure of being ill worse.
Hayley Poor you, hugs, I do hope you feel a lot better soon when those fluids start having an effect.
Honeymoon Oh dear, about ratty OH. I think everyone has such thoughts at times.
Humphrey Hugs, I'm so glad thread is helping. So you are a teacher too?
Littleducks Lol about blaming OH, why not?! grin.
Princess I remember Ghoulocks had the same thing, high ketones from starvation, I think they recommended these nutritional drinks, I can't remember their name, but Kalidasa had them recommended too for the same reason. A lot of them came up, but she found that some stayed down.
KW I'm glad they've got a plan you approve. I hope the sweep works.
Apologies to anyone overlooked.
Lucinda
xx

Re the starvation issue - I am now being prescribed fortisip drinks. They are very syrupy and so I can only tolerate them very diluted, but it is a way of getting calories in, so worth considering. I can only manage one or two a day, but each one has 300 calories so it's a way of getting nutrition without solid food.

Sorry not to check back the thread - feeling battered today, and will be in hospital first thing in the morning for the meds and fluids as holding out til the afternoon isn't doing me so much good.

MOH100 Wed 03-Apr-13 21:49:30

bodo there are usually other meds they make you try before you get ondansetron, promethazine (avomine or phenergan), stemetil or buccastem, metoclopramide. It's always worth taking vitamin B6, I think there are recommended dosages on the PSS website. Ondansetron is a third line drug because there's less safety data about it, but a large study came out last month in the New England Journal of Medicine showing no risk of birth defects, in fact women on ondansetron had better fetal outcomes www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1211035 I took ondansetron from 8 weeks and I know plenty of other women who were on it in the first trimester. My opinion of your dosage advice is that it is completely shit. Taking antiemetics when you feel you need them is a useless and almost pointless exercise, especially in a condition where nausea is constant. Most of the antiemetics need time to build up and should be taken regularly. Cyclizine's well known to make you into a zombie but I understand the effect wears off. If you can't stand the side effects and it doesnt work very well then push for promethazine or ondansetron. I'm afraid the only other thing that works for HG is rest. I used to be a teacher so I know what schools are like about guilt tripping you into working till you drop dead, but taking time off is absolutely the best thing you can do for yourself. That's what supply teachers are for.

Reebok Wed 03-Apr-13 23:11:09

Hello all just checking in. Thanks Lucinda for sorting the new thread. I'm sure I can say on behalf of everyone that we appreciate how much yourself, MOH and MOP do to support HG sufferers.

I'm still back on my meds as I stated during my last post. Helps to control the HG. Was hoping I would be off meds by now as I'm approaching 25 weeks but unfortunately not. At least now, HG is controlled and I'm feeling much better than I did a few months ago. It helps that it's the Easter holidays so don't have to worry about working for a while.

I'm so sorry to see so many people are still so unwell. Sending you all gentle cyber hugs. While in my case HG may not go away completely, you will get to the stage like me where you feel slightly more human so hang in there ladies.

bodo2 Wed 03-Apr-13 23:20:15

Thanks for all the very interesting feedback. I tried avomine in my last pregnancy. I took one pill at 6pm and the following morning, I felt so spaced out and drugged up, my mum had to come and drive me to work because I didn't feel safe driving!! Tried buccastem already but maybe I need to try promethazine with this pregnancy. I'll also investigate vitamin b6. Thank you. Or perhaps I'll just try the cyclizine 3 times a day instead of as and when. Going into hospital in the morning so will see what they say. Night night all. Wishing everybody a nausea free night xx

Tallyra Thu 04-Apr-13 00:11:42

hi bodo,
I always found that I had to take the tablets before I started to feel sick, otherwise it wouldn't help one jot. take one when you wake up.

honeymoonmum Thu 04-Apr-13 07:43:27

Morning all, phew still alive! Last night was the worst experience ever. Think it was stress and upset of coming home from hospital and still being unable to do anything for family. Since taking to bed and taking the cyclizine every 8 hrs feeling much better (like I want to eat but still can't face moving much) have been proactive and dotted out play dates for kids so DH can have a break. Feeling slightlyg more hopeful we can get through this. Thank you lucinda and everyone else you are all such a support and really hope they can sort you out today bodo. Keep us posted!

fl0b0t Thu 04-Apr-13 11:29:50

Hi all, Like Reeebok I just wanted to check in on you all.

This thread was a lifesaver for me, I had no idea what was happening to me and no benchmark to measure against, so it reall has been very helpful,. I'm still loathe to say I'm out of the woods at 16 weeks, but like Reebok can cope with every day life whilst medicated.

All I can say is keetostix and being pushy, even when you don't feel well enough to be pushy, with GP/ medical staff. Pregnancy is a scary time for everyone and we just want our babies to be well (and if possible not feel terrible ourselves) xx

bodo2 Thu 04-Apr-13 11:50:57

Hi all. Scan was fine but ketones 4+. Waiting now for iv fluids and meds. Doc is lovely and more than happy to move me onto a new medication instead of cyclizine. Waiting to hear which one they think is best.

honeymoonmum Thu 04-Apr-13 12:33:28

Great news bodo2 changing meds has really helped me and managing to eat tiny amounts and drink though still pretty much stuck in bed as feeling nauseous. Anyone else worry about agoraphobia developing? I just can't believe I feel so rough still when not actually puking anymore?

Kw2013 Thu 04-Apr-13 13:05:13

littleducks I'm looking forward to food being normal again.. I was wondering if I will like stuff I now hate again lol.

bodo there are lots of different meds to try, try keeping on top of them, I find once I already feel sick the tablets are just going to come straight back up sad

waves I tried some meal drinks when I was first in hospital but unfortunately they made me so sick sad .. I you can find one you like then it will help get some calories in (:

everyone hope you are all feeling at least a little bit okay and managing to rest.. I wish I had found this group a lot sooner. I've been really sick again BUT some hopefully good news is that I just had a bloody show and have really bad back pain so hopefully this baby is going to make an exit before the induction!

honeymoonmum Thu 04-Apr-13 13:30:27

Brilliant news KW! Hope it all goes well and you feel much better soon! Can't imagine 9 months of this. Hoping I'm one of the lucky ones and it stops at some point.

Tallyra Thu 04-Apr-13 14:16:26

FC KW!!!!!

LucindaE Thu 04-Apr-13 14:55:35

Just dashing on to say, K That is wonderful!
Bodo That is very high, you must have been feeling awful, hope you start to feel a bit better soon.
Hugs to all and Flo and Reebok I am so glad this thread helped you.
Waves Those drinks sound pretty sickly, I'm just glad you retained a bit of them.
Lucinda
xx

Fingers crossed for you kw

I'm hoping I have my baby before 40 weeks. DS arrived early of his own accord at 38 weeks and I was induced with DD at 37 weeks. The fortisip drinks are pretty yukky but prepared to try anything at all.

My cannula is out overnight after being in since Sunday. So I plan to try and enjoy a bath this evening and hopefully it won't be too painful having a new one in tomorrow.

bodo2 Thu 04-Apr-13 20:46:44

Good luck kw! So 2 iv bags and 2 doses of iv ondansetron later, I've not been sick all afternoon but ketones are still 4+. There were no beds at the hospital for an overnight stay so I've been sent home and scheduled to go back in first thing tomorrow for more. Night night x

Haylebop12 Thu 04-Apr-13 22:06:54

bodo I'm the opposite. Think they're bored so keeping me in! Just finished my 7th litre and ketones are negative. If they are still negative in the morning I can go! Good that they got you booked back in for tomorrow though.

Feel quite lucky this time as I've had my own room with en suite!

Haylebop12 Thu 04-Apr-13 22:08:11

waves my cannula started stinging with the fluids so had to be changed, took the doc four attempts to get it again. Feel like a bloody pin cushion, holes everywhere!

honeymoonmum Thu 04-Apr-13 22:10:55

TMI alert, anyone else have vomit like battery acid? So acidic. It's awful. Any tips?

honeymoonmum Thu 04-Apr-13 22:13:21

Ps haylebop know the feeling, took four attempts to get mine in and in the end they used paediatric cannula. Painful hands/arms sad

HumphreyCobbler Thu 04-Apr-13 23:06:15

hello everyone

gosh good luck kw.

Had both my scans today and am delighted that all is well. Saw a very wriggly baby. I was so worried I was shaking.

honeymoonmum Fri 05-Apr-13 10:22:54

Can anyone give me tips on getting through this? I am only 7 weeks and can't see how I can spend weeks more feeling like this, unable to get out of bed and eating a tiny amount each day. I feel quite despairing. I was pretty ill with DS 1 but not this bad. Any words of wisdom/experience. Did u spend a lot of time in bed? X

Kw2013 Fri 05-Apr-13 10:23:36

Just to update - we are on the way back to hospital (for the last ever time!) .. Got irregular contractions, 4+ ketone (no energy for labour!).. If things don't pick up they are inducing me later on today. So hopefully next time I post I will have a beautiful baby to tell you all about and a nice yummy cup of tea that stays down!

There's an end in sight ladies! Just hold on we will all get there.

Hugs to everyone

HumphreyCobbler Fri 05-Apr-13 10:27:00

oh Kw HOW EXCITING

fl0b0t Fri 05-Apr-13 11:06:47

KW fingers crossed for you-= good luck!

Honeymoon- Seriously, it's awful but you can do it. Yes to spending time in bed. Lots of time in bed. I don't have any other kids so didn't have that to contend with too, but get as much help as you can. Get lots of rest and sleep and meds and see what you can keep down. Particularly liquids x

HumphreyCobbler Fri 05-Apr-13 11:07:23

In Agatha Christie's autobiography she gave birth to her daughter and immediately said "Thank goodness I don't feel sick any more" grin

HumphreyCobbler Fri 05-Apr-13 11:10:35

Honeymoonmum - sorry I missed your post. It IS so hard, but I know I feel much better when I am well rested. I know it is not always possible. With the vomit like acid I drank some milk even though I knew it was going to come back up, as it seemed to neutralise the acidity. This tip may not be for everyone though as I know milk is rather off putting for lots.

honeymoonmum Fri 05-Apr-13 11:43:30

Thanks ladies. Just feel like I should be at least up and and sofa but can't manage it for more than about an hr a day. Getting some rennie to try one before I feel sickness coming . Thank you all for your support x

LucindaE Fri 05-Apr-13 11:51:23

KW How exciting! The best of luck. I wish too, you had found us earlier. thanks
Bodo This is the first time I ever heard of anyone being allowed to go home with 4+ ketones. Is this NHS cuts? I am horrified...I do hope you get some fluids soon. It's outrageous.
Honeymoon Poor, poor you, you are at the worst stage, things do improve for most in the second tri, even the unlucky few don't generally suffer quite so badly, I think poor wavesandsmiles is the exception. it is very hard to bear, some swear by a kindle to read by but it might make you dizzy, or radio. Reebok was one of many who thought she wouldn't be able to bear it, but she did, and she can function now, on meds.
I remember the battery acid, and never worry about tmi on here, I so agree with I think, Humphreys advice about milk. I remember taking half a teaspoonful of bicarbonate of soda in water out of despair at the heartburn and burning bile, but that is disapproved of as so salty and led to my bringing up half a bowl of disgusting foam. I think people swear by Ranatadine. I didn't find Gaviscon any good even when it stayed down.
Flo I so agree!
Humphrey I never realised AC had it. How awful, in the 1920's. I read some advice about MS written then in The Mothercare Book: 'If the expectant mother is ever sick, she should blame herself and not feel sorry for herself etc etc...' I read that as an adolescent and had a premonition that that was rubbish.
Lucinda
xx

bodo2 Fri 05-Apr-13 12:18:22

Thanks Lucinda. Had a good nights sleep at home and came in first thing this morning. Feeling brighter today. Ketone levels coming down and they hope to send me home this afternoon.

honeymoonmum what medication are you on? They have now put me on ondansetron which is helping much more than cyclizine. This is the 3rd drug I've tried this pregnancy, so it might be worth asking to try something else. In terms of dealing with my older 2 kids, if you are able to call on anyone to help look after them, I've found that a massive help. I've found someone to come in next week in the afternoons to help me do the kids dinner, bath and bed. It's obviously going to cost me but not sure I'd be able to do it on my own. Xx

honeymoonmum Fri 05-Apr-13 12:20:49

Thank you for words of encouragement. Just spoke to gp who said try stemetil as well as cyclizine. What do people think?

Tallyra Fri 05-Apr-13 13:35:50

stemetil is buccastem, which is also used. I always found that the stiff that dissolves in your mouth made me feel worse as it tasted so horrible, but ignoring the taste I think it might work for some.
kw I just got something in my eye reading your post. come back and let us know soon!!!!

bodo2 Fri 05-Apr-13 15:57:09

So although I've gone my longest in 5 weeks without being sick and I've been in a drip since 9.30 this morning, my ketone levels have gone up!!!!! They're going to check me again in an hour or so. Just seen another dr (my 5th over my 2 admissions) and the first one to talk about the possibility of developing blood clots as a consequence of dehydration. She was considering giving me some sort of medication to inject myself with at home but I said I wasn't keen. She's given me anti-embolism stockings. Can anyone shed any light on this? Just surprised that if this were the case, this is the first I've heard of it more than 2 weeks after first being diagnosed with HG.

PrincessRichards Fri 05-Apr-13 16:01:34

Hi honeymoon I had the buccastem first before Cyclizine and found it did nothing and made me worse due to the taste of it dissolving in my mouth. I was told this is mostly used in travel sickness but most GPs try it as a first pass.

littleducks Fri 05-Apr-13 16:12:50

Oooh, I had the stockings too, hideous green things that are a bugger to get on and almost impossible with a cannula in your hand.

I didn't take it too seriously tbh. I think there is a heightened risk of DVT due to pregnancy, a heightened risk when you are dehydrated and a heightened rick if you are bed bound/moving around less. If you score more than two risk factors on a chart (was in my bedside medical notes) the hospital I was at prescribe the stockings. I think the risk is increased by not common or an imminent threat.

But then I generally take the whole HG thing a bit lightly, helps with coping but might not actually be sensible blush.

It was stemetil I had 7 years ago with dd. Couldn't remember the name just the st... but until you lot started discussing it! I liked it back then honeymoonmum but I think I remember that whole pregnancy through rose tinted spectacles, for instance I stayed in a week one time, no idea why.....I'm thinking I was pretty bad, I had no idea about ketone levels then either, they didn't mention figures at all.

PrincessRichards Fri 05-Apr-13 17:15:33

How quickly we can forget eh?! My first pregnancy I can hardly remember being sick but I know it was bad!!

HumphreyCobbler Fri 05-Apr-13 17:15:49

I felt so much better the last few days I decided to try not taking my medication. I bet you can all guess the result sad. I won't be making that mistake again.

bodo2 Fri 05-Apr-13 17:16:03

Ok, they've retested me. Yesterday I was 4+ all day and they sent me home from the day unit because the hospital was full. This morning I was negative but they put me on iv and I've been sat here since 9.30 am. At 1pm, I had gone up to 3+ and they've just checked me and I'm now 4+. They are saying that there are still no beds and it is likely they are going to send me home again when this unit closes at 8pm. The unit doesn't open again until Monday. They don't seem overly concerned about me going home with 4+ ketones. I queried whether I should move to another hospital but they don't think it's necessary. Any thoughts? Feeling very helpless. Should I be kicking up a real fuss??? The honest answer is that I would love to go home but also know that I need to do what is medically best for me.....

Tallyra Fri 05-Apr-13 17:58:30

Yes bodo, kick up hell! you are in no state to go home with that much dehydration. They sound like they are not caring for you just their own paperwork. you are I'll and still need treatment.
as for the stockings, I was 'fitted' with them on admission each time and also injected with klexane to reduce clotting regularly. They need to do a bit more than they are right now. if you were to get a lift to your nearest casualty in another hospital I'm pretty sure they would iv you and admit!

MOH100 Fri 05-Apr-13 18:04:01

bodo ask them what their HG treatment protocol says about discharge and ketone levels. You are entitled to ask to see treatment protocols. If they don't have one, ask to see a consultant to discuss it. Is it a maternity assessment unit you're in? Ketones are only one element in assessing severity of HG so they may be taking into account your ability to eat and drink eg if you were eating and drinking well and responding well to new medication then it may be ok to discharge you. If you're still struggling to eat and drink and new medication not really working and your ketones are high, then that's obviously a different matter. Dehydration and inactivity are risk factors for DVT, some hospitals are more on the ball with this than others.

PrincessRichards Fri 05-Apr-13 19:10:59

I would agree with MOH the last time I was admitted when I was sent home my ketones were 3+, they were just about to hook up some more fluids and the doctor decided against it. I myself queried how I could go home with ketones still present but the doctor was happy that I'd have enough fluids to re-hydrate me and the reason I still had ketones was because I hadn't eaten, dehydration is just one of the reasons for ketones all be it the most common. For me they were more bothered about getting the meds right so I could eat. It's worth asking the question and I'm just sharing my experiences. I was lucky that the unit I was on they took HG very seriously and seemed to be keen to do the right thing, a lot of the ladies on here haven't been so lucky unfortunately!

bodo2 Fri 05-Apr-13 19:31:09

Thanks all. They found a bed and have admitted me. X

Tallyra Fri 05-Apr-13 19:32:24

Yay! Well done grin it won't be a good night sleep but you should be cared for, and hopefully you'll feel a bit better in the morning.

LucindaE Fri 05-Apr-13 20:29:40

MOH Great advice as usual. Bodo Thank goodness that you have been admitted.
Lucinda
xx

LucindaE Fri 05-Apr-13 20:33:20

Humphrey Forgot to say congratulations on wriggly baby!
Lucinda
xx

honeymoonmum Sat 06-Apr-13 08:50:31

Hope you feel better soon bodo! Don't come home too early, my mistake. Poor. DH, been up all night with vomitting DS 1. What is going on in my house? Everyone being sick. Selfish but praying I won't catch it as only managing about 300-400 calories a day as it is.

I'm glad you are safely in hospital bodo and I'll keep my fingers crossed you don't catch the sickness bug honeymoonmum.

I hope other people are okish? I'm starting to do a bit better now I'm on the daily regime. Although it is a total pain having a cannula in all the time, and it is a bit boring spending 4 hours a day at hospital, the IV ondansetron is working grin so there are about 5 hours a day I can eat and keep food down, so my calorie intake has gone up. Still finding the mornings and evenings rather grim, but it makes me feel a lot better knowing that things are improving. The only things I want to eat are:
toast with jam
crackers and a hint of mild cheddar
boiled carrots confused
and sometimes a bit of fresh melon.

Still, I reckon that is sort of a balanced diet!

23 + 4 weeks today, and still keeping my fingers crossed that things get a bit better so I can try not having the daily IV meds and fluids, and 4 daily cannula resitings which have made me feel like a pin cushion

honeymoonmum Sat 06-Apr-13 09:19:59

Right decided to tackle gp no more messing about, what meds is everyone on? Think I'm going to demand ondanestron as according to research it works well, what do we think?

Ondansetron here - but only the IV stuff is working so far for me (as the oral tablets didn't work for me yet due to severity of vomiting, they gave me ondansetron suppositories which had some limited effect)

Also on ranitidine, which helps with the acid caused by the vomiting, again, on IV at the moment, but that is worth asking for too.

Good luck with the GP.

MOH100 Sat 06-Apr-13 10:45:25

honeymoon defo ondansetron, it was my life saver. Word of warning though, and I'm honestly not trying to put you off, I would always recommend ondansetron, but constipation can be a serious side effect. I always recommend that when you start ondansetron, you assume you're going to be constipated and act pre-emptively to try and prevent it, rather than waiting for it to get hold then try to cure it. I was given the very good advice to drink as much fybogel a day as I could stand, and my constipation remained manageable, actually it was better than the dehydration constipation I had when I couldn't eat or drink before I got the meds. Fybogel is disgusting, but I've heard some frightening constipation stories on here and it was preferable to that.

MOH thanks for reminding me I need to get the constipation sorted... I'll try fybogel in the first place....

LucindaE Sat 06-Apr-13 15:29:39

Waves Honeymoon Just dashing on to say, I have to say that fibogel made me heave and if it effects you that way, there are those suppositories from the chemists a lot of women on this thead say are good, but absurdly, not issued to pregnant women so waves you might have to send someone else or wear something very concealing?
Lucinda
xx

LucindaE Sat 06-Apr-13 15:31:39

MOH Aagh! that bowel rinsing out device was a last resort for one member.
Lucinda
xx

MOH100 Sat 06-Apr-13 17:39:16

It is beyond disgusting Lucinda but, absolutely, you don't want to end up with enema and horror piles. As far as I know, any of the constipation remedies are ok in pregnancy, despite what it says on the packet.

bodo2 Sat 06-Apr-13 21:07:37

Hi all, thanks for all your lovely messages. The shame is that in spite of all the meds (ondansetron and metaclopromide with a top up of cyclizine) I've not had such a good day. They are keeping me in overnight and hopefully will be a bit better tomorrow. X

nannyl Sun 07-Apr-13 08:46:01

i really hope you start to improve soon bodo.

It sure is miserable

waves and smiles i hope you feel better soon too, and anyone else in the midst of HG hell too xxx

LucindaE Sun 07-Apr-13 09:41:33

Bodo I hope you are out soon, it's dismal the meds not helping as much as they might.
wavesandsmiles I am glad you can eat a bit - did you say carrots, that's unusually healthy stuff, interesting, so many women on here find it's only the very unhealthy stuff that has any chance of staying down, crisps, coke, etc.
Is anyone else in hospital?
Hope Everyone has a better day today.
Lucinda
xx

How are you getting on bodo? It's awful when the meds don't help.

I'm in bed waiting til 3 to call the ward again as they were busy when I called before. I tried some lunch, but without meds that reappeared soon enough. The carrots may have been a one off, tried them at hospital and kept them down, whilst the smell of the peas made me feel sick. It's so weird. Hoping they will be able to fit me in for fluids soon after 3 or it will be late for the DCs and they are back to school Tuesday.

How are other people getting on? Seriously wishing you all a more bearable second trimester. Only a few weeks til I'm in the third an whilst I'm very grateful that I'm getting daily treatment, the cnnula in all the time is sore, it's even hard to brush my teeth with the wrong hand

So much for my raving about daily treatment... Midwife just tested my urine and ketones are 4+. Feel rotten but guess that's why.

HumphreyCobbler Sun 07-Apr-13 16:58:03

sorry to hear that waves sad
hope they get some fluid into you soon

bodo2 Sun 07-Apr-13 20:12:28

Thanks all as ever! I'm home. Managed to get my ketone levels down to trace. I feel very drained but so pleased to be home. They've given be a veritable pharmacy to take home. I'm juggling ondansetron, metaclopromide and cyclizine. They've told me I can mix and match them as needed. I'm thinking of starting my day with ondansetron and then taking metaclopromide for my 2nd and 3rd doses of the day. If I'm feeling bad, I can top up with ondansetron and/or cyclizine. Does that sound sensible?

Wish you better wavesandsmiles

Reebok Sun 07-Apr-13 21:53:42

Hello all, hope everyone is doing a little better.

Having a bad few days...vomited while peeing and once again when showering but luckily it's only a few times this week and still being controlled by meds. Think its being made worse by fact that DH has passed on his cold to me. Nausea becoming easier to handle. Luckily still on Easter break so I don't have to worry about the commute to work.

Bodo glad to hear you are home now. Hope you start feeling better soon. And you two waves. Hang in there ladies. It will be worth it when we hold out darling babies in our arms.

nannyl Sun 07-Apr-13 21:55:59

hello reebok,

[waves] sorry you are still suffering. was wondering how you were getting on.

Reebok Sun 07-Apr-13 22:01:56

Hi nannyl, I was doing a lot better for a while and even managed to return to work. But recently had a small relapse...my own fault for coming off my meds. So had to go back on them to control the HG. Feeling a lot better than I did back when I joined this thread but still not quite myself sad

How are you? Hope bubba is doing well?

nannyl Sun 07-Apr-13 22:56:39

you poor thing

I have to say that this pregnancy i havent even tried to reduce my meds.... it all ended in disaster every time i tried last time, so not worrying about it this time.

Im having a better time, and am less sick / HG than last time.

am 29 weeks now, and as of friday was head down, back to front (ie not back to back) and still planning a(nother) home birth... how far are you?

dont push yourself, and well done for making it through; those early days are beyond tough.
Hope your bubba is doing well, do you know if pink or blue yet (or surprise)?

Reebok Mon 08-Apr-13 01:59:50

Oh wow nannyl, you've come so far. Not long to go.

I'm 25 weeks so feel like I've won over half the HG battle. Not feeling down like I was at the beginning. Yes I know! I'm having a little girl smile

What about you?

glossyflower Mon 08-Apr-13 08:09:09

Hi ladies,
Just thought I'd pop by.
reebok and nanny I too cut out my anti emetics (cyclizine and ondansetron three times a day) when I thoughti no longer needed them and guess what?! Yes I got bad again. However I did manage to cut down to taking both just once in the morning.
I'm now 38 weeks (how did that get here so quick?!) and have managed now to stop taking them all together although I occasionally have a vomit in the morning and feel nauseous at times but nothing too bad and not constant. Everytime it happens though I panic the HG is coming back full force but I think that's a natural reaction!

Having HG has put me off further pregnancies, and I know some ladies on here are on there 4th or 5th time (crazy ladies!). Now I'm feeling better its becoming a distant (ish) memory of how ill I was but still put off having any more.

Would you ladies do it again?

nannyl Mon 08-Apr-13 08:42:50

25 weeks already reebok, thats great!

Mine is pink too.

glossy flower i had another, as i didnt want an only child..... I alway knew id have to do it again.... and id really hoped i wouldnt be HG...

Im more realistic that if we ever have a 3rd i almost certainly will get HG.... quite simply IF i ever agree to it (OH still wants 3 and always has, i wanted 4 before i realised how horrific pregnancy is) i will have a much bigger age gap, and will also employ a nanny for my pregnancy....
Thats my sticking point, if he wants another I want / need a nanny, because although we got through that first bit, thats all it was, and it was tough on everyone (including my mum,who had to do a 5 hour journey twice a week to look after us)

I do not want a repeat of that first trimester with 2 children (at least one who understands a lot more) ever.

thankfully having a small age gap means i believe she has already forgotten those first few months

LucindaE Mon 08-Apr-13 08:49:32

wavesandsmiles You poor thing,that cannula thing in all the time must be torment, just knocking it...I wonder if its that starvation thing with the ketones,poor you? I'm keeping my fingers crossed that at some point you get relief or comparative relief anyway. Isn't it awful when an innocuous smell like peas is unbearable.
Bodo So glad you're out with a pharmacy! Hope you're feeling a lot better.
Honeymoon any news re meds?
Reebok Nannyl and Glossyflower how lovely, three 'old timers' on the thread at once! Reebok Hugs, sorry about puking, that is so disappointing, when does ML start (I suppose you're on holiday atm?)
Did you say peeing started the puking off, with me it was always the other way round? I know your GP seems to think you are fine on cyclezine but with this relapse and how ill you were earlier, I wonder.
Nannyl and Glossyflower Hugs, do let me offer you some cushions, you must be 'a fine size' now...
Lucinda
xx

Reebok Mon 08-Apr-13 09:07:44

Nannyl, I'm really pleased for you.

Glossy flower, for now I think I will stick with the one. Have always wanted two and DH wants 5! But I doubt very much that will be happening as I'm convinced HG will rear its ugly head again. I've had it once before but I had a mmc so wasn't as bad as this experience.

Lucinda, it's nice to have a catch up with others who convinced me to join the thread when things were so awful. Can't believe we've made it this far! I'm still on hols but once I'm back at work, I have roughly 9/10 weeks to go until ML so fingers crossed I will battle through it. Can't wait to stop working for a while though. Pregnancy is exhausting even without HG!! My doc is seriously unhelpful so as I am managing on a few vomits a week, I think I will just battle on.

honeymoonmum Mon 08-Apr-13 10:48:13

Hi bodo2 I'm going home today too with trace ketones. Got cyclizine and ondanestron which seems to be doing the trick and I feel more like me than I have in weeks. Tired and weak but human. Keep up the good work on here ladies, it's a life saver x

fl0b0t Mon 08-Apr-13 10:48:21

glossy I've not 100% ruled it out, but I never wanted a big family anyway. I'd actually really like to adopt, so I'd consider that next time, though obviously husband and I would need to discuss in detail. Now I'm feeling a bit better (I did gardening and everything this weekend!) I am settling into and enjoying the pregnancy. My initial worry was that the sickness would be for all 40 weeks as my mum was very sick when pregnant with me.

I'm 17 weeks tomorrow, but still yet to really put on much weight. I'm still below pre-pregnancy weight but bump is progressing nicely.

Hope you guys had an ok weekend and are feeling more sunny xx

LucindaE Mon 08-Apr-13 12:29:20

honeymoon Oh good! I'm so glad you are feeling better. Another being released on home leave (well, Hyperemesis is like an unfair prison sentence; notonly that, but some people behave as if you are actually somehow bringing it on yourself, ie by nibbling at crisps and sipping at flat coke).
Flo So glad you are up to some gardening, how energetic. The ground is still too frozen here.
Reebok Well,the primroses are late, there's still some about, but I remember you hoping you'd be a lot better when they came out. I wish you were not still being sick, but at least you are up.
Hope Everyone is coping. Apologies to Anyone rudely overlooked.
Lucinda
xx

Pollaidh Mon 08-Apr-13 17:50:12

Hello chaps. I've been out of hospital a few days but had a bad experience this time and couldn't face talking about it straight away. Thanks Lucinda and others who persuaded me to see a doctor. It seems like it was 'just in time' as my heart rate was so high the doctor thought my heart wouldn't cope any longer. Strangely I didn't feel as ill as last admission (I was hallucinating that time).

I had a good experience with the NHS walk-in clinic, I was dreading going, but almost collapsing at reception resulted in immediate triage and immediate admission. It went downhill from there as maternity was completely full, so had to go via a packed war-zone style A&E. At one point I was told I might be spending the night in a corridor in A&E but they managed to get me a bed on a mixed surgical ward full of refugees from other, noro-virus infected wards, it wasn't even designed for people to sleep there! The obstetrician who came over was great but otherwise treatment was pretty poor.

There was no handover, I was just brought up to the ward and dumped, and they had no idea why! This meant instead of getting my first fluids and drugs asap it took hours before they put one in and then they put it on the slow rate.

The smells were awful - food waved under my nose, being told I must try to eat, smells of old ladies pooing themselves all around me. I was also mocked by 2 different nurses HCA for not being able to cope with the smell of poo, and for saying I felt sick when they asked why I looked awful (laughed and said, everyone's sick that's why they're in hospital). I tried to explain what HG was but no one seemed to have heard of it.

No chance of sleep, waking me up in the morning for obs and then delaying the drugs/biscuit and when I said I need drugs before I can have breakfast/move they thought I was being 'demanding'.

Finally a nurse refused me the meds prescribed by the obstetrician, on the basis that they weren't suitable for pregnant women. We argued.

Once I'd had 6l of fluid I insisted on leaving as I felt by that point I'd got all there was to be gained and staying longer would make me more ill through lack of rest and lack of/late meds.

Have managed to eat a little the last couple of days, although my resting heart rate is still over 100. I know that next time I will need to go in earlier rather than later, but am absolutely dreading it. It's a shame as I was treated so well at the maternity unit, and they knew exactly how to manage HG.

Sorry, rant over.

Tallyra Mon 08-Apr-13 18:13:07

Oh Pollaidh, that sounds like absolute hell. I find it hard to believe that any medical professional would laugh at a patient for feeling sick. Have you considered lodging a formal complaint?

honeymoonmum Mon 08-Apr-13 18:38:05

God pollaidh that is beyond horrific. When you feel well enough you must contact PALS patient advice and liaison service. That is unforgivable and quite frankly inhumane. You poor thing. I was so so lucky and cannot speak highly enough of the staff who treated me. I was very lucky it seems.

PrincessRichards Mon 08-Apr-13 18:45:45

Pollaidh that's terrible, can't believe they did that too you, maybe you should make a formal complaint. It's terrible that treatment can differ so much from area to area but also from ward to ward. It's sounds like I'm one of the lucky ones as my experiences have been good, it should be the same wherever and these people should feel ashamed treating someone like that!

Rant over

LucindaE Mon 08-Apr-13 19:11:14

Poll I'm horrified at the neglect, and how dare those nurses mock you?! As soon as you feel up to it, make a formal complaint. I think Pregnancy Sickness Support should hear of it. It's outrageous.
Lucinda
xx

glossyflower Mon 08-Apr-13 19:26:56

pollaidh omg that sounds horrific. I would definitely see PALS about that. Poor you. But don't let it put you off from seeking help there again like I did.
My first admission to the maternity unit with HG was awful. Later I put it down to them being busy as it was September (ladies conceiving on New Year's Eve!) not that being busy was an excuse.
They kept giving me tablets but I said I did not think I could keep them down, so they'd just not bother and leave me to it.
I'd get my breakfast at 8am but when asked for my meds to take before I tried eating I'd have to wait my turn. And god forbid if I didn't manage to secure myself iv anti emetics I'd have to wait until they finished the medications round til they prepared the IVs. Usually way past 930am.
I'm a nurse myself and I would never make anybody wait for anti emetics no matter where I was in the drugs round.
The experience put me off going in again and I stayed with my parents for several weeks so they could care for me. I didn't even have the strength to brush my teeth!
Eventually I had no choice but to go back in and my second admission the midwives seemed less stressed and I got better care.

I will say that although the ward you were on might not have experience of HG sufferers...I know it can be difficult as I'm a cardiac nurse and once had to care for someone with malaria (who should have been in intensive care but there was no beds) I was totally out of my depth BUT I made sure I knew what I was doing by keeping the ITU doctors involved and that is totally not an excuse to be unsympathetic. You should definitely complain.

Xxx

honeymoonmum Mon 08-Apr-13 19:44:57

Ok on a different note. Got home today and I'm feeling really low and distant from DH and DSs. What is wrong with me? I feel regretful about this much wanted third baby and want to disappear to an island by myself. sad

glossyflower Mon 08-Apr-13 19:57:25

honey I think that's a normal reaction to everything going on. Pregnancy is not easy on our bodies physically as well as emotionally.
Maybe have a talk with DH about how you are feeling, I'm sure he'd be understanding and help you take some time out.
Xxx

glossyflower Mon 08-Apr-13 19:57:48

And big hugs to you xxx

TiredFeet Mon 08-Apr-13 21:20:14

Hi, I have been pointed in the direction of this thread. Just spent 24 hours in hospital after I saw gp about my vomiting and there were high levels of ketones. Feel a lot better now but worrying about the weeks to come! I am 7+5. Last pregnancy I was very ill from 7 -12 weeks. Dreading it being the same again, mainly because DS (2.5) is very cross/upset with me for not being around/being ill.

pollaidh that sounds truly unbearable and I really feel for you

honey I feel a bit like that too, it is horrible and isolating

PrincessRichards Mon 08-Apr-13 21:23:02

Honeymoon that sounds like I feel, apart from my hormones being all over the place and feeling narky all the time I feel very emotional and out of it. It's so hard when you want something so bad and then end up feeling like this hmm

LucindaE Mon 08-Apr-13 21:58:45

Tiredfeet Welcome, poor you, you'll find lots of support from eveyrone on here. What meds are you on? I suppose as you're a veteran, you've got kestostix to check those pesky ketones don't get high again.
Honeymoon Hugs. It isn't a wonder y ou feel like that, it's like being hit by a train, and I think depression is a well known physical side effect, anyway. You'll feel different when you feel better and get some strength back.
Hope everyone is coping.
Lucinda
xx

Haylebop12 Mon 08-Apr-13 22:12:02

Hi guys, just popping in to say hi. So sorry to hear some of you are in the midst of HG hell. It's so distressing feeling low and useless.

But it does get better (mostly) I'm still on meds although cut down to just cyclizine on highest dose mind. I had a fairly good weekend and made it out to twycross zoo for a few hours. Not done a fat lot today mind. Wishing the data away until I can be off the meds altogether.

13+1 here and 5 admissions so far. Have my dating scan tomorrow and bricking it.

honeymoonmum Tue 09-Apr-13 11:00:47

Thanks ladies. Feel a but better today as was able to get DSs breakfast and dress them which made me feel more normal and part of their lives. It really is tough having HG and effects every part of you, body and mind. Thanks for words of reassurance and lucinda you hit the nail on the head. It is like being hit by a train. Such a shock. Hugs to all x

TiredFeet Tue 09-Apr-13 11:17:24

do you know Lucinda, I don't feel like a veteran at all. I was clueless last time and looking back I didn't get the right support. I was ringing the dr's all the time (including when I started vomiting blood! apparently that was ok, my throat was just 'torn' from vomiting) but they never once tested my ketones! looking back I am sure I should have been sent to hospital that time too. I was just lucky that this time the out of ours doc tested my urine rather than simply prescribing meds. last time they kept prescribing buccastem and it did nothing, absolutely nothing, and made my mouth taste vile. I didn't realise I could ask for something else! I have cyclizine this time. haven't been sick since being discharged but taking it very easy today.

Where can you get the sticks from? that sounds like a good plan.

haylebop good luck for your scan

Welcome tired - I got very cheap ketostix from amazon, but I think many pharmacists sell them too.

pollaidh, as soon as you feel up to it, I echo advice to make a formal complaint. I managed to make one, and it has certainly helped.

I can't go to hospital today - the ward is super busy so I am risking a day off fluids and meds. Bed for the day, other than popping out to get the DCs from school at 3.

24 weeks today, and whilst there is a mild improvement, as in I am being a bit less sick, I am still sick a lot, and permanently shattered. A friend is having an ELCS tomorrow and I am really jealous that she won't be pregnant anymore if that makes sense?

Hope your scan goes well hayle and I hope that you feel a bit better for a relatively normal morning honeymoon

LucindaE Tue 09-Apr-13 15:43:00

Tired I echo waves , most chemists should have them or will order them in. What you went through sounds horrendous!
waves and Poll, Honeymoon and Everyone trouble with pc, but hope to be back later today. Look after yourselves as much as possible.
Lucinda
xx

Haylebop12 Tue 09-Apr-13 16:34:16

Scan went perfect. So pleased although no NT measurement as baby was upside down. This baby has been a pain since day 1!

Hope everyone is feeling brighter today x

TiredFeet Tue 09-Apr-13 19:30:52

Thank you waves and lucinda have ordered some off amazon. I find the journey to hospital v tough as its 40 minutes of windy bumpy roads so that should help me gauge better when to go!

waves I hope you coped ok without hospital today

hayle glad the scan went well smile

honeymoon hope the rest of your day went well too

Pollaidh Tue 09-Apr-13 22:56:04

Thank you everyone. I am not feeling up to a complaint, I'll think about it - it was the HCAs who were unpleasant though and I can't even remember at what point in my stay, and they didn't give meds or do monitoring so I doubt their initials are in the records. It's such a shame as the treatment in the maternity wing was superb.

honey I think it's normal to feel sort of separate from family life. I do too. I look forward to seeing my child but within about 5 minutes am too exhausted to cope. At times the smell of husband and child has been so unpleasant I've not been able to go near them.

Pollaidh Tue 09-Apr-13 23:01:47

Sorry for double post. Does anyone have experience of getting HG treated in France?

Assuming I'm not attached to an IV line we're planning on going soon. It will be an 'easy' trip with cabin, hardly any drive at all either side and once we're there my m-i-l will look after everything so dh should get a break too (will stay at in-laws). The doctor ok'd it. I'm concerned about how to get treatment if it gets uncontrollably bad while we're there. We know doctors etc there, and there's a maternity hospital nearby but knowing how variable treatment is in the UK, am wondering if the first step would be GP, maternity hospital, or emergency. Anyone any idea?

honeymoonmum Wed 10-Apr-13 07:54:09

Can't help specifically but in my experience French doctors are thorough, amazing and you will wish you lived there permanently if you do receive medical care. Then again, it's not free!

BoyMeetsWorld Wed 10-Apr-13 11:13:24

Hi guys,

I'm not officially diagnosed HE but have been written off work for a week as not kept anything of any substance down since last Friday hmm if I stay perfectly still in bed I feel just about human but the slightest movement starts the nausea off again.

I'm 7 weeks & the lovely folk on my prenatal group have nudged me over here. I've been giving meds - prochlorperazine maleate - but I'm terrified whether it's honestly safe to take, having had one mc already and currently experiencing very bad cramps in the pelvic area?

TIA x

BoyMeetsWorld Wed 10-Apr-13 11:13:44

Ps) hi TiredFeet smile

Haylebop12 Wed 10-Apr-13 11:28:43

boymeetsworld sorry your feeling so rubbish. I too was apprehensive about taking the meds after an mmc at 9wk last June. This pg I have been prescribed the same but I had to tell myself that the docs wouldn't prescribe them if they were not safe. Also would I rather put myself at risk being completely dehydrated or take something that will bring about some normality. I had my scan yesterday and a perfectly healthy 13wk old was there. I'm on the highest dose of the anti emetics so I know thy cant have been responsible for what happened last year.

I understand your concerns 100% but you must look
After yourself too. smile

Welcome anyway... You'll find lots of info and support here.

BoyMeetsWorld Wed 10-Apr-13 12:12:54

Thanks Haylebop - are yours the same meds I've been prescribed?

I think a silly part of me wants to hold out for my scan, just to see things are ok before I start taking it...but you're right that I could be putting everything at more risk in the process confused so scary!

Haylebop12 Wed 10-Apr-13 12:22:35

Hi boymeetsworld no I'm on cyclizine and metochlopromide although I only take the cyclizine unless its a bad day.

I had a scan at 6 weeks as here it is common practice to check for multiple pregnancies if you get admitted for HG. I also booked a private scan for ten weeks for my own reassurance. Would booking a private scan be an option for you to put your mind at ease?

BoyMeetsWorld Wed 10-Apr-13 12:26:42

That's a good idea - yes I think I'll look into it, we don't get a scan until 12 weeks otherwise here & that's a long wait...

Haylebop12 Wed 10-Apr-13 12:35:32

Yes same here and with the holidays (Easter) mine was even a week later then that. I paid £99 and although its a lot I think with previous mc it's worth it. Good luck smile

Haylebop12 Wed 10-Apr-13 12:36:40

Oh and look after yourself. If you cannot tolerate any fluids (even with meds) get yourself to your GP. You need to keep hydrated.

bodo2 Wed 10-Apr-13 13:16:44

boymeetsworld - sorry you're feeling so bad. I too starting being very sick from about 6 weeks. Eventually, by 8 weeks, my midwife suggested I go in to the Early Pregnancy Unit at the hospital to be assessed for dehydration and while I was there, they did a scan. It might be worth speaking to your midwife to see if you can arrange one, especially if it will put your mind at rest. My hospital also only normally scans at 12 weeks, but as I discovered, they can scan earlier if needs be.

I'm also not a fan of taking meds, but really, it's the only way I can function. I'm now 11 weeks, had 2 admissions to hospital (after being unable to keep any solids or liquids down), but since being discharged with 3 different antiemetics, I'm feeling so much better. Wish you better.

LucindaE Wed 10-Apr-13 14:40:06

My computer is still being a pain (I hate it! I hate it!) but dashing on to say welcome to Boymeetsworld. I so agree with others, those meds wouldn't be recommended if they weren't completely safe, don't worry. I had an mmc too, hugs, it's very nerve wracking with a subsequent pregnancy. I didn't know you could pay to get a private scan or I'd have gone for one for sure.Have you got kesosticks to test for dehydration, available from any chemsists? (My usual line).
Hayley Great about scan, belated congratuations. I hope everybody is out of hospital at the moment, except for wavesandsmiles who has to go in every day. wavesandsmiles I was thinking, if you can survive this as badly as you have it, plus marital breakdown at the same time, then you can be so proud of yourself as a survivor. I'm not in a very good mood with men today, and the thought occurs...pity it isn't the man who gets Hyperemesis when the woman is pregnant, lol. Can you imagine it?!
Hope Everyone is coping. Back asap.
Lucinda
xx

Reebok Wed 10-Apr-13 14:51:39

Hi all, hope everyone is slightly better. Just a quick question RE:ranatidine. I went to the gp to get a repeat prescription today which he happily gave. When I went to the chemist, the pharmacist was reluctant to give it to me. He said as I was almost 6 and a half months pregnant, I needed to start cutting down on it and should resort to drinking gaviscon and cold milk. I laughed in his face and said it just made me sicker and that I had tried to cut down on ranatidine only to get twice as sick. Getting a bit worried now that when I finish these meds, I won't be given anymore.

BoyMeetsWorld Wed 10-Apr-13 15:02:07

Thanks bodo and lucinda - I'm definitely going to try and get a private scan booked for next week. If all looks roughly as it should, I'll take the meds. I wish I could get rid of paranoia from previous mc, absolutely convincing myself symptoms are going. Except the sickness.

Though have just managed 1/2 cup of soup in the 1 he window per day when I can! Let's hope it stays put.

Reebok Wed 10-Apr-13 15:39:38

Boymeetsworld, I know exactly how you're feeling. Having had a mmc last year while experiencing HG, I was convinced this time round that the same thing was happening. Luckily, my little girl is fine and kicking away as I type this. I'm a healthy 25+4 weeks. Just try to take one day at a time and remember lack of symptons don't mean anything. Concentrate on trying to keep down what you can and beating this awful HG and I'm sure your LO will be ok. Sending you a gentle cyber hug x

MOH100 Wed 10-Apr-13 17:05:46

boy just wanted to say very quickly that any studies that have been done show that women with hyperemesis who take medication have better fetal outcomes than women who don't take them. It's thought that, on balance, it's worse for the baby if the mother is dehydrated and starved. I was on antiemetics from 6 weeks.

Haylebop12 Wed 10-Apr-13 18:38:06

I've also been on anti emetics for six weeks and don't see me being able to stop them anytime soon. It's true I'd rather I didn't have to take them but my health and well being is just as important. (Took me a while to come to terms with that as I too focused of the negative effect it may have on baby)

BoyMeetsWorld Wed 10-Apr-13 20:12:44

Thanks everyone. Seeing dr again in the morning but I've started bleeding. A lot. Already had one mc so I know the likely outcome hmm

Pollaidh Wed 10-Apr-13 20:30:05

boy if you become severely dehydrated it puts your health and your baby's at risk. In this pregnancy I have partially (and temporarily) lost my eyesight through dehydration as well as putting my heart under strain (I was semi-conscious and in hypovolaemic shock).

I can add my story that my first pregnancy I took anti-emetics from about 10 weeks to 42 weeks, and there has been no apparent ill-effect on my child. This pregnancy I have been on anti-emetics from week 6 I think - now 17. Of course individual cases don't necessarily mean anything (like the 100 year old claiming it was fags and whisky that got her to a grand old age). I am a scientist, with a background in biology and risk assessment, amongst other disciplines, and am very cautious about what constitutes evidence, and risk, so...

Most of these anti-emetics have been used over 30+ years and as birth defects etc get reported, together there are enough cases to provide a body of evidence which indicates that they will not cause adverse effects in the child.

However Zofran and some steroids (which tend to be given when the first line drugs fail) have sometimes been linked with some birth defects when taken at certain stages of pregnancy, although the jury is still out on that, and doctors will still take decisions based on the risk of dehydration and starvation vs. small risk of birth defects such as cleft palate.

It is unethical to test drugs on pregnant women, so the drugs you'll be offered will be 'off licence', that is to say, not approved formally for treatment of HG. Most will therefore have a 'not for pregnancy' warning on the pack. However the case evidence I mentioned earlier has allowed them to identify some drugs (e.g. thalidomide) which must never be used in pregnancy, and classify others as high, medium or low risk for the baby. The drugs we're being offered are considered to be at the lower end of risk, and where the benefit outweighs the risk.

I completely understand your worries, especially given your mc. I too have had mcs and am concerned about what drugs I take, but I can clearly see that benefit outweighs the risk in my case. I hope this all makes sense and helps you to understand the slightly odd pharmaceutical industry and off-licence prescribing.

Pollaidh Wed 10-Apr-13 20:40:42

Hi boy, sorry, didn't see your latest post. Don't panic yet - bleeding in early pregnancy doesn't necessarily mean a mc (I think the odds are about 50/50 although I've seen a range of figures).

Cramps can be due to dehydration - I've had that on a number of occasions.
Bleeding - well like you I think the worse when I see blood, but I've had bleeding on and off or even throughout in 4 pregnancies, only 2 resulted in mc, in 1 with really scary bleeding I ended up with a healthy baby and in my current pregnancy I bled most days from about week 6 to 14, and still pregnant.

I recommend you go to your local Early Pregnancy Assessment Unit tomorrow and get a scan. I will have my fingers crossed that everything is ok. xx

LucindaE Wed 10-Apr-13 20:54:47

Boy I can only echoPoll and send you hugs. I do feel for you. Keeping fingers crossed for you.
Lucinda
xx

BoyMeetsWorld Wed 10-Apr-13 21:50:07

Thank you Poll - those were really helpful posts. I actually work in Pharma but hadn't even considered the fact that the 'not for pregnancy use' warning was just linked to bringing off-label rather than necessarily a definite health risk. Thank you so much, if this baby by some miracle survives I'll get on the meds.

I'm seeing my GP at 9.15 tomorrow but she's usually less than helpful. I'm hoping I can go throw myself upon the EPU straight after and beg for a scan so at least I knew what was coming.

I keep wondering if I've starved my baby to death confused but this is exactly the same stage I mc last time, even without HG then...

Pollaidh Wed 10-Apr-13 22:53:33

When I'm not terribly dehydrated I'm actually quite sensible and know a fair bit about medicine wink When I'm dehydrated I become confused and unable to make decent decisions (one of the reasons I'm not working). Thankfully when I get like that Lucinda and co tell me off and send me to hospital.

Try not to blame yourself. From what I've been told repeatedly by obstetricians despite all the pregnancy book guidelines about healthy eating, actually for the first trimester the baby just takes its nutrition from your body (it's a parasite). If you're not eating it's not, initially, a huge problem for the baby as it will eat you instead. The mother will suffer far more than the baby. It's if the dehydration and starvation progress into the 2nd and 3rd trimester, or if the dehydration causes something like hypovolaemic shock so the baby's not getting enough blood/oxygen, that the baby starts to be seriously affected. You're still quite early aren't you, so you haven't had time to seriously starve the baby yet. I'm not an expert on this, but that's what I've heard.

TiredFeet Wed 10-Apr-13 23:34:38

boy mainly just sending you a huge hug and lots of sympathy and I really hope everything is ok and that your doctor is a bit more useful tomorrow.

pollaidh thank you for your explanations, I had a vague understanding that that was the situation re the meds but you have put it far more clearly and crisply and it is really helpful to read

LucindaE Thu 11-Apr-13 09:54:50

Poll Lol, mother hen can be relied upon to cluck.
Tired How are things? Boy Thinking of you, awful you had to wait overnight to find out how things are. I can't better Poll's words of reassurance that you haven't done anything to bring this on, it's just bad luck.
How is Everyone?
Lucinda
xx

just read what you wrote poll about the dehydration etc being a problem if it progresses into 2nd and 3rd trimester, and now feeling worried sad I'm 24 + 2 now, so less than 2 weeks til third trimester for me and I'm still battling elevated ketones and no where near getting enough food in. Seeing my consultant for a proper appointment next Friday (as opposed to a quick catch up when our paths cross on my daily trips to the ward) so I will speak to her then....

How are you today boy, I've been thinking about you. I hope your GP is helpful.

fl0b0t Thu 11-Apr-13 10:51:55

boy don't worry about baby not getting nutrients. Doctors are never worried about babies starving when mummies have hg, You could loose a couple of stone and they don't worry! Babies are amazing! Fingers X for you xx

BoyMeetsWorld Thu 11-Apr-13 11:02:58

Thank you all,

I'm sat in A&E as was getting pain on the left so dr referred me. Just seen a lovely gynae dr and urine / pulse rate etc all ok but she's fighting to get me a scan today.

Can't believe how incredibly overworked & understaffed the hospital is - getting a scan seems to be almost a miracle :s if they can't get me in I'm debating phoning all the local private clinics and begging for same day scan tomorrow...

Reebok Thu 11-Apr-13 11:40:24

Boy, keeping my fingers and toes crossed for you. Hopefully all will be ok.

Feeling pretty rubbish today. Has those awful braxton hicks last night and just made me uncomfortable and worry all night long. On bed rest today. Hope everyone else is having a better day.

HumphreyCobbler Thu 11-Apr-13 12:00:44

Fingers crossed here too BoyMeetsWorld. Hope you get to a scan soon.

Best wishes to everyone suffering XXX

BoyMeetsWorld Thu 11-Apr-13 12:06:04

Thanks to everyone who sent thoughts...

I've just come out of A&E and...there was a little person and a heartbeat!!!! 6+6 when I'm meant to be 7+2 but surely that's neither here nor there, the sonography didn't seem concerned?

So the nausea continues, as do the cramps but for now at least im still pregnant smile

Hope everybody else is doing OK

LucindaE Thu 11-Apr-13 13:41:06

Boymeetsworld I am so delighted for you! Hugs. How awful that these cuts have meant that someone in your posiition has to wait.
Waves Try not to worry about the dehydration and starvation, I am sure that is why they are keeping a close eye on you but with your treatment plan it looks like baby is thriving. I have only known a few women as ill as you on this thread so far but as long as they got proper medical care and frequent rehydration, their babies were fine. Remember babies were designed to grow in their mothers in conditions where starvation was practically the norm, after all...
Lucinda
xx

HumphreyCobbler Thu 11-Apr-13 14:23:20

I am so glad to hear that BoyMeetsWorld.

chocciemousse Thu 11-Apr-13 14:33:01

Hi everyone. I have not been on here for a couple of weeks so am yet to catch up with what has been happening. I have just got back from a much needed break in Mallorca. My doctor actually suggested I get away for a while and it was the best medicine ever. I am 20 weeks on Monday and have been feeling so much better the last week. Apart from the ongoing diarrhoea I have managed to keep everything down and have even gained a little weight. I am still taking my meds as I am too scared to try and reduce them just yet.

So sorry to all of you who are still feeling dreadful. I am terrified it will strike me down again at any given minute and not sure I could cope with it again.

So pleased for you boy

Thanks for the reassurance lucinda, and yes, they are keeping a very close eye on me. Today I have to stay up here for 2 litres of IV fluids (pesky ketones) so the DCs are being dropped up to me on the ward, them I guess I'll have to wrestle the pump and stand down to the hospital canteen to get them their dinner!

Saw my consultant, and she has amended the meds so I'll have IV ondansetron as soon as I arrive and just before I leave in the hope I have a longer spell of being able to eat each day. There's a lady here with me today who's 35 weeks and is still in the throes of HG. She just had a fortnight of being well, and is just in for the day for fluids after a 9 day admission which ended Monday. It's been nice in a way to speak to a HG comrade in real life, I just wish i was as close to the end of this as she is....

BoyMeetsWorld Thu 11-Apr-13 15:45:34

Waves - ohmigosh 35 weeks of it! Poor woman! Yes she may be closer to the end but just think you could still be 'lucky' and wake up one day soon to find it gone??? Keep hoping...

Everyone's been telling me we can't possibly starve our babies and I'm trying to believe it. I think dehydration is more risky but sounds like you're getting good care which is great. Are you able to cope with ice cubes (made with bottled water) or maybe ice pops? I'm finding them the best way to keep fluids down...

honeymoonmum Thu 11-Apr-13 16:11:19

Glad your scan was positive boy, waves you are so brave heading to canteen, I'm not sure I could. After quite a good afternoon, evening yesterday and good morning I'm back in bed feeling on the cusp of hurling. It's so grim. Why oh why do I feel ok sometimes only to feel like I'm dying a bit later. Very cruel. I have also had diarrhea today. Ugh. What do we think gals, a bug or just sodding HG?

Oh honeymoon, that sounds grim. I know some ladies have suffered with both due to HG, but I just have constipation/nothing to pass most of the time.

I feel utterly crap tonight. Didn't get back home til 6.30, so that was 9 hours up at hospital, and the DCs were really fed up with having to be there again. I am trying to keep hoping, but it feels a wee bit too much just now, especially since my notsoDH left, and I really am fighting this by myself. I am due back on the ward at 8.45am, and planning on going to sleep asap just in the hope of a break from nausea and the pain of the cannula.

DD's godmother dropped the DCs up to me on the ward, and was really shocked by how small I am looking sad It's just not what I imagined this would be like. Oh, but apparently I am allowed to blame notsoDH entirely for this - apparently a different father of the baby gives completely different reactions through pg and even through to childbirth etc. So it is HIS sperm that has made me so much iller than I was with either of my DCs.

My fortisips are heading for the bin too. I know they are loaded with calories, but even the smell of them makes me want to hurl so I want to give up on them. Might re-try icecubes boy, didn't work a month or so ago, but maybe I could manage now? I best try something as I'm on the verge of floods of tears and will need to replace the tear fluid with something else....

Pollaidh Thu 11-Apr-13 20:34:16

Boy so pleased you got good news. Try not to worry about sizes being out by such a small amount, my recurrent miscarriage nurse warned me at every scan in first 12 weeks that early scans are notoriously inaccurate on the measurements. Mine went from being a few days behind to over 1 week ahead! In my last experience I also discovered that fundal height measurements (size of bump) and late scans can be inaccurate too as my baby was substantially (massively) bigger than predicted. So I try not to worry about measurements.

Waves, oh dear, I was trying to be reassuring. From what I've been told and looked into, the starvation is mainly a possible (possible, not certain) issue if it continues untreated through T2+3 because of thiamine and other vitamin deficiencies. If you're getting anything like the number of blood tests, kidney function tests etc as I am, then they will be monitoring that, and if needed will be adding vitamins in your IV or by mouth. You are being treated and kept reasonably hydrated from the sound of it, even though it's unfortunately by IV, so I am sure they're keeping an eye on it.

Yes I've heard about the new partner hypothesis too, so you can definitely blame this all on your ex.

Tallyra Thu 11-Apr-13 21:36:01

waves I was told the same thing about different partners by the insensitive ex midwife at my quilting group. As if I might decide to change dh in order to get a baby.... hmph.

LucindaE Thu 11-Apr-13 21:37:08

Waves Oh dear. I swore by ice cubes and ice lollies myself, or chips of ice, really little ones(probably hazardous!) Jelly? Sips of flat, full sugar coke no good, I take it? or flat Lucozade or Iron Bru or the juice of tinned fruit? What was the squash that everyone was recommending a while back? Hugs. How horrible of ex H to give you extra bad Hyperemesis. I wish HE had the symptoms, too.
Honeymoon Hugs too, I remember diarrhoea, awful, coming out both ends envy and it is a pest as of course, adds to dehydration.
Sorry to Anyone rudely ignored.
Lucinda
xx

PrincessRichards Thu 11-Apr-13 21:42:18

Waves you are doing so well, I really am in awe of you and how you are coping, I know how I feel so I can't begin to imagine how you must be feeling. Will think of you, I know it's not much good but I think everyone on this thread is sending you best wishes and hoping things get better for you soon.

Honeymoon I seem to be getting the diarreah too, I assume it was my Cyclizine but is this something that women regularly get with HG? My sickness is still there every day and I can't eat much but more than I could which is helping just wish the constant feeling of bobbing around on a boat would go! And with a funny tum it seems it's not one thing it's another grrr. I also tried to cut my meds down the other day and paid the price so straight after prescription was in at docs, I think I've come to terms with taking them til the end now!

Interesting though about HG and different dad, I'm pregnant by new partner and def different severity of HG this time round!

How is everyone else bearing up? Hope you all start turning a corner soon and congrats Boy on your scan, nice to hear some good news.

PrincessRichards Thu 11-Apr-13 21:44:42

It was Peach squash Lucinda, a few of us found it helpful

honeymoonmum Thu 11-Apr-13 21:58:35

waves being a relative new comer I'm not sure what history is with rat of an exDH but my thoughts are with u. It is so hard goofing through this and the stress can't be helping. Stay strong and remember we are all rooting for you. I've just waved DH goodbye on a work trip for 5 days, I was meant to be going but too ill. Thankfully my DM coming to hold the fort. Roll on feeling better for everyone on here. I have found I can sip water through a straw, worth a try? X

Pollaidh Thu 11-Apr-13 22:06:07

Well, today was a bit odd. I've been feeling quite chipper (for HG) since recovering from last week's hospital admission, which was particularly unpleasant. I went for a routine check-up today and got admitted instead, which was a bit of a surprise. I got some fluids in and came home. Also recognition from GP and hospital doctor that last week's admission to a general surgery ward was a bad idea (but in the overcrowded state of the hospital last week I reckon I was lucky to get anything).

This experience though was so much better than last week's and in line with my excellent earlier admission - an absolutely lovely doctor from maternity, advice and treatment in line with best practice, lovely nurses, everyone knew what HG was, a quiet room away from the hordes even though it was in a&e. Treatment couldn't have been better.

TiredFeet Fri 12-Apr-13 10:06:56

waves I am so sorry to hear how complicated it all is for you. I too wish your notsoDH could have to suffer the symptoms instead of you!
I wish I had some advice but I don't but I hope it helps to know you can come on here and vent whenever you need to.

dh is about to go on a trip away for a few days, I'm very nervous, we have family here to help on Saturday and sunday but there will be no one to help with DS if I get ill on Monday and Tuesday. I'm a bit fed up with him for going really. I know its for work but I suspect if he explained they would find some flexibility. Luckily DS is booked into nursery for all day Monday and for Tuesday afternoon, but it is still a 20 minute drive to his nursery.

Haylebop12 Fri 12-Apr-13 10:26:28

How is everyone feeling today?

I started throwing up again yesterday but not as bad as previous. Had docs appt this morning but as predicted ketones were trace. She decided to inject me with stemetil in the hope I cane whom control myself again. Really hope it works.

Anyone have experience of stemetil? It has been talked about before when looking at alternative medication but always been kept on cyclizine.

Glad to hear you had a good experience yesterday poll

I'm on litre 2 of fluids now, but should be finished just in time to get the DCs from school. The general consensus here is that, having passed 24 weeks, I'm unlikely to improve hugely, so the daily visits are continuing indefinitely. It's a bit disheartening, but I'm reassured that they are taking very good care of me, and everyone is ever so friendly. I'm presently curled up in an armchair under a warm duvet with the drip chugging through, and my current book, "three in a bed, the benefits of co-sleeping with your baby" on the table next to me.

I daren't try to add up just how much time I've spent in hospital so far, I just hope that they are speedy ish with the IVs over the weekend as the DCs are getting pretty bored of being up here now!

honeymoonmum Fri 12-Apr-13 15:16:12

Poor you tired I know exactly what you mean re fearing being left alone with DS. It's awful how this leaves you feeling totally incapacitated and unable to care for your children. I only had from 7-10 am this morning alone and was dreading it but actually was ok. Do you have friends who could help drop off/ pick up your son? waves glad to hear you able to relax and be comfy whilst having IV. Having a slightly better day here and managed lunch with kids and mum (toast!) but first meal I have say down to in weeks. Anyone else feel very dizzy? Is it the meds, time in bed or what?

TiredFeet Fri 12-Apr-13 15:36:32

waves that sounds like a good book, a good way of remembering the good times to come smile. How old are your DCs? Must be really tough. I can understand you worry about them being in with you at the weekend. Are the hospital staff supportive about it all?

TiredFeet Fri 12-Apr-13 15:41:04

honeymoonmum yes I have horrible dizzy moments especially if DS wants carrying about at all.

Pollaidh Fri 12-Apr-13 15:57:13

Dizziness can be down to (1) low blood sugar or (2) dehydration.
Dizziness is common even in normal pregnancies (especially when you stand up suddenly), but I believe HG makes it worse as obviously we're all low on fluids and sugar.

I'm dizzy so much that I wouldn't dream of driving, and have avoided going out with my toddler in case I faint and she runs in the road or something. Doctor thinks it's probably the fact I'm permanently somewhat dehydrated.

honeymoonmum Sat 13-Apr-13 11:59:12

Anyone around? I'm feeling so ill and alone with this. It's so hard sad

BoyMeetsWorld Sat 13-Apr-13 12:04:03

Hi honey,

I'm here. Lying in bed as couldn't face going out with DH & DS sad

How are you doing? Where are you at the moment? X

TiredFeet Sat 13-Apr-13 12:07:01

Hi honey I'm here too. Feel free to rant if you need to!

I am Stuck in bed sad can't even keep my meds down today. Just tried an ice lolly, hoping that stays down. DH is getting really cross and frustrated with me, even though his parents are here to help out!

Hi boy how are you doing? Is the pain any less?

TiredFeet Sat 13-Apr-13 12:08:29

pollaidh that sounds tough x

BoyMeetsWorld Sat 13-Apr-13 12:11:33

Hi Tired,

Well...I tried Windeze & peppermint tea yesterday (goodness knows how I kept that down - I hate peppermint tea!) and it has actually really helped the pain. I do still have some worrying lower cramping but im praying the agonising ones were just wind. Next scan on weds anyway smile

Aww my DH is a bit the same. Is yours not being supportive at all? Mine has moments of trying - but his way of trying, bless him, is mainly to be all over me with hugs & kisses which I just can't cope with right now or ignore me completely. & then those rare moments where I can venture downstairs, I find the lounge a tip sad poor DS is the one quite ruffled by mummy lying around like an invalid.

How's the lolly staying down? Think I'm going to try the frozen grapes trick later...

X

Haylebop12 Sat 13-Apr-13 12:12:18

Hi honey, here too, currently in a and e as I too am not keeping any meds down.

Rant away x

BoyMeetsWorld Sat 13-Apr-13 12:13:52

Oh no Hayle - have they rigged you up to some lovely fluids? I think the next Thread of this we'd better rename The Human Pincushion Club as we're all spending so much find getting needled and pumped with fluids! Hope you're getting well cared for x

honeymoonmum Sat 13-Apr-13 12:22:06

Hi all and thanks for responses. I'm in bed feeling shit, mum taken boys out and should be in sunny Portugal with DH relaxing and enjoying self. So fed up and upset with constant nausea and just feel so trapped and like I can't stand another day of this crap. Best wishes and thoughts to you all. Mental note, do not look into future, makes me weep with despair that this may go on another 7 months. Let's rename thread, living in hell. Moan over (sniffs and wipes eyes mournfully)

TiredFeet Sat 13-Apr-13 12:24:52

Ohhh no hayle sorry to hear that, on the plus side hopefully you will feel a bit better when the fluids kick in
Hope you have got something to read/do to pass the time?

boy he is being a bit of a twat about it all. Wanted to go off cycling this morning I said could it not wait till his parents get here as I am not keeping anything down and it would be rubbish for DS, and Dh threw a big tantrum. He also is having the odd tantrum at night if he has to get up for Ds instead of me. Bit fed up of it all sad. Ds doesntt like it much either but has been cheered up by his grandparents coming to play.

Didn't know about frozen grapes!

TiredFeet Sat 13-Apr-13 12:27:16

honeymoon how horrible to know you should be in portugal sad

I am meant to be taking Ds to jersey in two weeks time, I need to ring and get the ferry tickets cancelled/ postponed but it is going to feel so horrible having to do that

honeymoonmum Sat 13-Apr-13 12:53:34

tired my DH was just the same when I was ill with DS1 and sulked throughout my whole 22 weeks of hell. He once yelled at me ' if I'd wanted a wife who was ill the whole time I'd have gone to a fucking hospice on the pull' we had just got married hence my nickname on here! This time he seems to be a bit better though I get little sympathy, he tries to stay away from me if he can! I just think if he can't 'fix' it he can't deal with it!

tired hope you get your trip rescheduled ok? I live in guernsey smile

I'm feeling tender, just had a picc line inserted by the on call anaesthetist as my veins are not coping with cannulas very well at all anymore. Was a bit scary but it's in now. Apparently my veins are less than half the expected width due to the ongoing dehydration.

Sorry to all with OH problems. Mine left altogether a few weeks ago after being a total arse for months.

24 +4 weeks and still hoping for an end to this, my consultant clearly less optimistic hence Picc line sad

honeymoonmum Sat 13-Apr-13 13:06:13

waves you are so brave. Keep strong. No words except we understand some of what you are going through x

MOH100 Sat 13-Apr-13 13:12:31

I just wanted to give you some good news about hyperemesis treatment in the UK. The Royal College of Obs and Gynae is producing green top guidelines which will give guidance to doctors about the treatment of HG. I'm taking part in the working group producing the draft guidelines as a patient representative. Amongst other things, I want to make sure there is a strong statement that HG is not at psychosomatic condition. I've set up a survey at https://sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/surveys/survey-on-attitudes?pli=1

which is to record instances where women have been told, or implied to, by healthcare professionals that HG is a mental health condition. Any comment to suggest that if you improve your mood the HG will improve, or that you're a drama queen and its not that bad.

Please could you fill in the survey if you have any comments to report which have been said to you in the UK (all countries in great britain and northern ireland) and were in the past 5 years - I want to be able to say that this is a current, not a historical problem. Thanks.

TiredFeet Sat 13-Apr-13 13:23:08

waves that doesn't sound pleasant at all. I think you are coping amazingly well.
Oh Guernsey is lovely!! I have (distant) family there and visited a few years ago. I loved it so much I wanted to move there! My brother lives in Jersey now and I was really

TiredFeet Sat 13-Apr-13 13:25:13

Looking forward to visitng them. I love all the channel islands, we have sailed to Herm, Sark and Alderney as well, would like to go again with Ds. Very envious of you living there!

TiredFeet Sat 13-Apr-13 13:28:33

M0H100 thank you for posting the survey. It sounds like a good idea. I haven't actually had any negative comments as such but I do wish my Gp's last time I had hyperemesis had referred me to hospital/tested for ketones, but I was just prescribed buccastem and left to get on with it. This time round all medical staff have been supportive, I feel really lucky.

BoyMeetsWorld Sat 13-Apr-13 13:46:02

Uuurgh waves that sounds painful - is it ok now it's in? How awful with your OH but maybe a sort of blessing in disguise? I know when I was a single mum with DS it was much more liberating & somehow easier (once I got over the heartbreak of splitting up!!!) than having to juggle DH's emotions as well as my own ATM....

LucindaE Sat 13-Apr-13 13:49:51

Honeymoon Mother hen clucking in, hugs what a thing for OH to say last time, you should have said, 'And if I wanted a husband with no capacity for sympathy I'd have married a caveman' but you were probably feeling too awful to talk. Sorry you are desperate today, I hope lolly stayed down.
Tired These men really could try a bit harder.
Hayley So sorry you had to go back in - are you still there? What ketones were they?
waves Poor poor you, but they may be wrong yet, I've known people get better after six months of it. So agree with others about how brave you are being. You must be so fed up with it all, and I hate to think how much weight you have lost. Did the consultant's plan work at all to give you a bigger 'eating window'?
Poll Oh no, you had to have IV again but I am so glad you got VIP treatment. So you should after last time, I'm still outraged at the way those nurses acted.
Flo How are things? Bodo Everyone
MOH That is wonderful news, and I hope it makes a huge difference to the treatment of women with this. Well done for working so hard to bring this about, and the women on here find that website of yours invaluable. As it was over five years ago with me, I can't do the form, but I certianly hope Poll for one does.
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored.
Lucinda
xx

LucindaE Sat 13-Apr-13 13:51:12

Boy Sorry, my bit of message for you vanished, hugs.
Lucinda
xx

Haylebop12 Sat 13-Apr-13 15:32:22

Only just got onto the ward and been unable to produce a sample as of yet so have no idea what my ketones are. I don't suspect they are very high though as I don't feel as rubbish as I have done. I do believe things are improving and have kept down about 100mls of water.

However, I do believe I still need my meds and I can get back on control myself so this is the only way. They say they're admitting me but that's prob from past visits as they don't know how dehydrated I am yet!

Kw2013 Sat 13-Apr-13 16:07:38

It gives me the greatest pleasure to have woken up this morning with my beautiful Harrison and put the past 9 months behind me.

Having HG was unbearable sad when labour began things got worse. I was so sick it was unreal. No amount of antiemetic injections stopped me. I was keeled over throwing up horrible bile whilst having contractions sad due to everything that was happening my body reacted badly and I went from 6cm to born in 2 minutes. Then as I started throwing up for the last time something worse than HG happened. My beautiful baby boy wasn't breathing sad they rushed him straight to NICU and while my sickness went away an emptiness set in because I couldn't see my baby. The doctors used machines to give Harrison oxygen and eventually two days later he started breathing for himself and I was allowed to hold by beautiful boy. They said it was a mixture of things; an infection I had yet I was so sick the antibiotics given by drip did not stay down, plus the strain on my body causing him to be delivered so quickly.

HG tried to ruin my life and very nearly did but today I am home and I have the most perfect baby with me. Together we both beat HG.

I hope everybody finds the strength to make it through each day because just remember the amazing thing that comes at the end. Thank you for all your support in my last couple of weeks.. I wish I had found you girls earlier to help me through!

TiredFeet Sat 13-Apr-13 16:08:40

Can I ask at what point I should ring the hospital? Dr said I can self refer to EPU now, but not sure at what point to bother them. Haven't kept anything down since this morning, should I wait 24 hours? 48? No idea how to judge! Have ordered ketostix but they're not here yet

TiredFeet Sat 13-Apr-13 16:11:12

Wonderful news kw2013 and welcome to the world baby Harrison. Sorry his start in life was so stressful for you, I hope now you are able to relax, recover and enjoy him smile

Haylebop12 Sat 13-Apr-13 16:34:54

tired I was told 24 hours. How does your urine look? How do you feel?

honeymoonmum Sat 13-Apr-13 16:59:57

Amazing news KW2013!!! So glad all turned out ok and you enjoy him! X

LucindaE Sat 13-Apr-13 17:20:09

Tired Back in two ticks, just want to congratulate KW thanksthanks I wish you all the happiness in the world, what a trauma but thank goodness all is OK. I wish you had found this thread earlier too. Do keep in touch. thanks for letting us know your lovely news.
Tired I agree with others - go by the look of the urine, is it dark - builders tea sort of look - and do you feel light headed and blurry eyed with a headache (though not everyone seems to get that)? If so, that is severe dehydration, plus of course, dry feeling skin, tongue, etc...If you feel really bad those hateful ketones are probably high. Don't wait beacause you don't want to be a pest.
Lucinda
xx

BoyMeetsWorld Sat 13-Apr-13 18:23:50

Kw what an amazing post - congratulations and thank you for giving us all hope.

Tired - just call them. I've been bugging mine to death now I can self refer but tbh - remember in 9 months time you'll never need to see those people again. For now they are your only ticket to reassurance and looking after yourself/baby. The worst they can do is tell you you're ok and send you off again. X

TiredFeet Sat 13-Apr-13 18:27:57

Thanks all, think am going to see if a nights sleep does any good and then call in the morning. Can't face another night in there listening to everyone else being ill unless I absolutely have to!

Tallyra Sat 13-Apr-13 18:46:34

congratulations kw!!!!

Congratulations kw, so pleased that all is now ok.

Arm is a bit sore from picc line insertion, but I am sure that will ease soon. My neighbour has been amazing today, had the children the whole time I was at hospital and is having them again tomorrow. It is a huge relief. Vomiting just started again, about half an hour ago so i am heading off to bed pretty soon, the new rules of my treatment is that if I have any ketones I have 2 litres of fluids, but negative ketones and I only need one. Tomorrow I am very keen to just have the one litre so I get some time with the DCs so don't want to risk missing out on time with them sad

Tired, I am a musician in my spare time and play in Herm most Sundays through the summer, and have played in Sark too. From my front door I can see across to Herm and Sark which is lovely. Let me know if you are ever passing these shores smile

TiredFeet Sat 13-Apr-13 19:37:43

waves fingers crossed your line becomes more comfortable and its a one litre day for you tomorrow smile. How lucky to have views of Herm and Sark!!! Herm in particular I love. Will definitely let you know if we are over that way, hopefully we will both be feeling human again by then smile

Ds just came in to kiss me good night. I love him so much, and it is so hard not being able to spend much time with him

haylebop how are you feeling now? Hope hospital is helping

HumphreyCobbler Sat 13-Apr-13 19:40:59

Congratulations kw, so glad to hear you are both safe and well now XX

Reebok Sat 13-Apr-13 21:32:41

Kw congrats. Glad you and baby are doing well.

I seriously cannot wait to get to your stage. Have had an awful migraine today which has resulted in me projectile vomiting. Feeling awful.

LucindaE Sun 14-Apr-13 09:24:22

Reebok You poor, poor thing, a migraine as well as Hyperemesis, do watch out for dehydration with that - cluck, cluck. I know just what you mean about projectile vomiting with them - I didn't puke much with mine until the run in with Hyperemesis.
Tired how are you, any better this morning?
Hayley Are you still in hospital, poor you?
Honeymoon How are you now?
Waves I hope your arm is less sore? It must be so infuriating. Are you a native of Gurnsey?
Gentle cyber pats to all, if not up to cyber hugs - maybe too much squeezing.
Sorry to anyone rudely ignored.
Lucinda
xx

honeymoonmum Sun 14-Apr-13 10:53:01

Hi lucinda thanks for checking in. Feeling slightly better after a day in bed and even managed to watch a movie with my mum yesterday evening. I have not vomitted for a week today (although been close to much of the time) do feel I'm lucky as meds seem to be controlling it for now. Having said that I literally lie about groaning most of the time so if I actually got up and did stuff I think I would puke. Feeling slightly more able and just sorted out kids toys which were everywhere and unplayable with after two weeks of me not being around to sort them. Feel better for it. Just to do a small normal thing means so much. Hope everyone else is ok on this long and unrelenting journey called HG. NEVER AGAIN for me.

TiredFeet Sun 14-Apr-13 11:18:20

I hospital now, waiting for my fluids. Was told last time when I was discharged that I could self refer, but then when I rang the ward this morning they said I couldn't! So have had a long wait at the walk in centre angry. Dh now off to get the ferry so my sister is looking after DS on her own for first time ever, I am glad he is old enough to talk quite clearly, would have been much harder a year ago. Parents in law are going to take unpaid leave to help me look after ds while dh is away, think they are trying to make amends for him being a bit of an idiot recently!!

honeymoon glad you are having a slightly better day. I agree re NEVER AGAIN! I feel quite sad about that though. And worried as had a bit of red spotting today, but nurses are trying to tell me its not a problem...

honeymoonmum Sun 14-Apr-13 11:45:15

Tired glad you have some support with DS. It's hard to relax and let others take over but he will be fine. They are so resilient. I just worry mine won't remember me being well!!!!! How many weeks are you? Try not to worry about spotting. I think some people just do, especially around time period would be due. I am stupidly worrying about feeling a bit better. What is wrong with me? Glutton for punishment or what? Hope you get your fluids soon and start to feel better xxx

honeymoonmum Sun 14-Apr-13 13:27:56

Oh no, my mum came to help whilst DH away and has gone to bed with stomach pains. I am cursed sad what else can go wrong. Still feeling oddly unsick, do any of you have days you feel better? Starting to wonder if all is ok?

TiredFeet Sun 14-Apr-13 18:19:15

honeymoon last time I had hyperemesis I would have at least one day/week where I felt almost normal. Hope that reassures you a little

Waiting for my lift home from hospital, I have watched two cheesy films and been pumped full of fluid smile. Still feel quite green though...

BoyMeetsWorld Sun 14-Apr-13 18:41:20

Honey - v jealous (but happy for you) with your run of feeling normal, embrace it!

Tired - have you made it home yet? Bet it'll be good to snuggle back on your own sofa / bed.

I'm with you both in the Never Again club. Never expected this to happen to me, never ever want it to again.

Just had mini row with DH. I've been left on my own all day so he could go out to joint family bday party (was meant to be for me too!). He's got back in, gone straight out with dog & wants us to 'plan our evening'. Feel like he doesn't get it at all - I feel alone, hardly human & not like I can even plan my next movement let alone a fun filled evening of entertainment.

All he keeps harping on about is wanting to tell people. I do not at this stage confused

Sorry guys...feeling v sick & v down tonight. Rant over!!! Hope you're all ok xxx

Reebok Sun 14-Apr-13 18:45:00

Thanks Lucinda. Am quite annoyed because I really thought I would be past the HG by 26 weeks. I am feeling better than those days when I was literally glued to bed and bowl but still not 100%. Disappointed after that brief spell of feeling good for a while. 14 more weeks to go hopefully. Back to work tomorrow and absolutely dreading it! How on earth I'm going to teach 30 children tomorrow is beyond me.

Hope everyone else is feeling better.

honeymoonmum Sun 14-Apr-13 19:34:54

boy you poor thing. Your DH sounds exactly like mine was with DS1. It's like if they pretend it is not happening it will go away. It is so lonely and hard and I'm feeling incredibly alone and desperate at the moment. It's just such early days and such a long way to go. I think you go through a period of mourning for what should be such a happy time. Also, I'm so fed up of NO-ONE except you guys getting it. People keep saying 'not long now' and 'just think of the baby you will have' it does not help. tired thanks for your reassurance. Feeling pretty queasy so not too much let up really. reebok good luck tomorrow, I feel for you I really do. Chins up, mine currently covered in attractive acne which adds to my pale, washed out, greasy haired look. Nice!

Reebok Sun 14-Apr-13 19:46:19

Honey, thank you. Really stressed about puking on train to work or getting braxton hicks again. Was surprisingly painful...apparently most women dont feel them...bet thats what a man said though!! I know what you mean about people not getting it...I've found unless they've experienced it, they have no idea how rubbish it makes you feel. I remember the terrible thoughts I use to have about bubba and now I feel so guilty about them. But I also know I couldn't help it.

Boy, I feel for you. My DH was a right twat for ages when I first got sick. He couldn't understand it and was convinced I was exaggerating despite the hospital visits and constant vomiting. Men are idiots!

Pollaidh Sun 14-Apr-13 20:30:45

Sorry to hear all those who have been suffering this weekend, me too. I had to hold my drip bag above my head on Thurs while going to loo/changing (no pole), which gave me neck pain and a migraine, so I've spent the entire weekend in bed. With Ondansetron added to the drug mix I managed to control the vomiting though.

I see progress at last though - I haven't been able to face the online grocery shop since a week before the pregnancy test (my first sign), but this evening I felt inspiration and so far haven't vomited at the pictures/thoughts of food. I hope this continues, it takes some pressure off dh.

BoyMeetsWorld Sun 14-Apr-13 21:39:29

Nite nite all - I figure when I'm asleep the nausea can't get me (maybe!) plus back to work tomorrow. Gah.

Poll- that sounds awful but fx you'll have a good stretch now you can at least tolerate thought of food?

Honey - is your partner being better this time around? To be fair I sent DH a long text while he was out with the dog & he did come back being a bit more sympathetic. I wonder if it's just my crazy hormones, dunno.

Reebok - thanks for support smile let's hope this next week is a better one for all of us.

Sleep well ladies x

bodo2 Sun 14-Apr-13 22:01:25

Anyone online.... Really need some advice...

HumphreyCobbler Sun 14-Apr-13 22:10:38

I am here - are you ok?

littleducks Sun 14-Apr-13 22:12:00

here too, whats happening?

bodo2 Sun 14-Apr-13 22:16:00

Look away if you're feeling particularly nauseous. Combination of HG, lots of medicine and a lack of eating and drinking have left me majorly constipated. Didn't realise I was until I went to the toilet an hour and a half ago and still here. In so much pain. What I can do to get it out/relieve the pain. Hubbie went to pharmacist but the only suggestion they had was fybogel. Had done but think its going to make me throw up and don't think it's going to work as instantly as I'd like/need. Any thoughts?

HumphreyCobbler Sun 14-Apr-13 22:19:29

I think you can get suppositories from the chemist that help things slide out?

you poor thing, it sounds painful

bodo2 Sun 14-Apr-13 22:21:54

Pharmacist seemed to think fybogel was my only option in pregnancy. So don't want piles on top of everything else &#128542;

littleducks Sun 14-Apr-13 22:23:17

No ideas of anything that can help sorry

Are you able to drink water? I often get constipated when my ketones go crazy and can only go after having my drip

bodo2 Sun 14-Apr-13 22:24:37

That's ok. It's an embarrassing one, not the sort of thing you can call your friends about to ask for advice!

HumphreyCobbler Sun 14-Apr-13 22:25:15
Pollaidh Sun 14-Apr-13 22:34:45

Hello bodo I really sympathise. Last week I realised with horror it was well over 5 days since the last time I'd had any success, and I was stuck there 2 hours with no success. It's the dehydration, medication side-effects and result of being on a starvation diet.

As a short term measure (look away now) try putting some lubricant (KY jelly or whatever you've got handy) around the, er, hole, and just inside. That seems to help a little. Also try to go with your feet up on a stool (like a toddler's step stool).

Spoke to mw about it and she said fybogel is the usual recommendation but it not really a good idea for people with HG as it's disgusting and will probably make you vomit. She instead recommended lactulose which you can buy over the counter. You just have to get down abut 5-10mls of a sweet syrup. She said do before bed night 1, again night 2, then if still no success try the morning too.

I've had lactulose before and I reckon I could tolerate the taste, especially as you only need a small amount. When I took it after giving birth last time (bad tear) it did make it difficult to control things though, so I wouldn't go far from the loo...

Hope that helps.

honeymoonmum Sun 14-Apr-13 22:36:02

Poor you bodo I'm not going at all either, gulp, dreading being on your boat. Can you try suppositories? Wonder if u could manage to eat some prunes? They work for me but not sure I could face them at moment. boy DH much much more supportive and has even texted and called from abroad everyday! Most unlike him! Think he is worried as I have already mentioned the T word and how I don't want to be pregnant. Think we have all felt this so not going to make excuses.

honeymoonmum Sun 14-Apr-13 22:38:50

Yes lactulose works well, tool it after my c sections as its hard to strain! Might invest as I too am going 5 days plus. Just think I'm not eating/drinking/ moving enough but it's not great sad

bodo2 Sun 14-Apr-13 22:52:51

You are all so lovely and kind and I am so grateful for the amazing support. The good news is that I am doing much better. I had a hot bath, not sure I'd that's what helped in the end. But you've given me some great tips if I find myself in the same situation. I plan to prioritise eating fruit now (when I do manage to eat) and try to force myself to drink more.

Is this a side effect of both ondansetron and metaclopromide? Those are my drugs of choice at the mo. xxxxxxx much love to everyone xxxxxx

Glad I popped by. I'll update about me in a min...

But first, Bodo if you can get a glycerol suppository in, then you can have them and they sort out my ondansetron constipation. Try taking lactulose regularly as well if you can keep it down. If you are <ahem> stuck mid-movement, then you need a glove and LOTS of KY Jelly to manually evacuate the motion. Good luck...

I've been in hospital since Thursday being treated for prem labour (was 27 weeks on thurs). Not nice. The ondansetron is freely given though so I'm OK from a sickness point of view (horrific nausea but no vomiting). I'm currently trying to ignore more contractions as I only came to the ward from the delivery suite today...

It looks like my contractions made my helpful info a bit late, sorry Bodo. Glad that you've had some relief.

bodo2 Sun 14-Apr-13 23:19:01

RoomForALittleOne thinking of you.

Reebok, I too am due back at work tomorrow to teach my Year 13 A level Biology group... not quite sure how I'm going to manage it... I've done no work for about 4 weeks.

kw congratulations... sorry it has been so difficult. Enjoy all the cuddles!!!

Thank you all again... I am so grateful I stumbled across this thread when feeling so terribly ill xxx

room that sounds a bit scary, how are things going?

bodo I'm horrifically suffering with constipation and embarrassingly have had to resort to manual evacuation a few times. It's horrible. I must must must ask my consultant for some suppositories to help things as it is unpleasant and painful.

I've had flipping awful sickness since about 5.30. Now in bed with a sick bowl as I can't bear to spend any more time hanging over the toilet. I'm very nearly 25 weeks and also thought I'd be in a spell of relative okishness but I'm not.

I'm being well-looked after. They are very happy to treat HG well here so that's not an issue for me at the moment thankfully (although my midwife did have to go to gynae to get some ondansetron for me). I can't believe how different the attitudes are towards HG around the country. As for the preterm labour - it's left me with a very 'irritable uterus' that may keep me in hospital for weeks or I may be allowed to go home today! I'm bored, tired, fed-up and bemused by the situation.

MOH100 Mon 15-Apr-13 09:14:10

I've just popped on to post a couple of links, the survey on attitudes to HG by healthcare professionals is at https://sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/surveys/survey-on-attitudes and I've added a link to the interim results, there are over 80 submissions in just a couple of days. Its pretty disgusting stuff, if youve suffered from this kind of attitude, please fill in the survey, or take some comfort from knowing its not you, its them, and youre not alone.

There's also an essay on the reasons why some doctors think its all in your head and the evidence that shows that they're wrong here https://sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/about-hg/all-in-your-head

honeymoonmum Mon 15-Apr-13 09:25:59

Hi all I'm feeling increasingly worried by how dizzy and spaced out I feel all the time. I do suffer from anxiety and came off citalopram 10mg when I found out I was pregnant. One of my anxiety symptoms is feeling spaced out and out of it so not sure if it's the cyclizine/ ondansetron or onset of more anxiety? It's so hard to know when stuck in bed and hardly ever up and about. I don't feel that anxious, just the odd bit when I wake up and realise I still feel ill. think underneath I'm pretty bloody stressed as I dislike being out of control and if there's one thing HG does it's rip away any control you have over your life.

Honeymoonmum it could well be the cyclizine. Maybe speak to your GP/midwife/consultant about it. Also, could you just be very dehydrated?

honeymoonmum Mon 15-Apr-13 10:04:45

Hi room I don't think I'm that dehydrated as have not vomitted for a week now. However, nausea is a massive problem and only drinking about 3 glasses of fluid a day I reckon. Will speak to doctor today. I just feel if I'm not physically vomiting I should be feeling stronger/ more able.

LucindaE Mon 15-Apr-13 10:54:04

Honeymoon Mother hen, Just dashing on to say, you can get dehydrated without vomiting if you can't face enough liquids to prevent it. Do keep checking, cluck cluck.
Room I've been wondering how you are...
Lucinda
xx

TiredFeet Mon 15-Apr-13 10:55:51

Hi room what a difficult time for you, it sounds like you are being well looked after but the uncertainty about when you can go home must be hard

honeymoon I think the medication is making me feel a bit spaced out, so maybe that's it. Sounds like a good plan to speak to the doctor though. Just because you're not actually being sick I think it will still take your body some time to recover though.

I am being well looked after by the in-laws, they stayed over and I was so grateful they were here this morning as I really wasn't well enough to cope with Ds's bouncy antics! He tries to climb and jump all over me! Luckily he is at nursery now hopefully running around burning off some steam. I am really struggling with the inability of people to understand that this is not like normal morning sickness, if one more person suggests ginger biscuits are the cure I am going to scream

honeymoonmum Mon 15-Apr-13 11:05:29

Tired I second that! Thankfully not spoken to anyone in ages so at least they can't insult me with ridiculous suggestions. Thank you Lucinda, will check ketones later-what are other signs of dehydration? I have very dry lips, no energy and lethargy, ring any bells? Hard to know what HG and what's not. Hope you all have a better day. Midwife just called and will see me at home for booking appointment which is fab as honestly cannot face going out.

Tallyra Mon 15-Apr-13 11:15:12

honey it definitely sounds like you are still dehydrated. I found that u would get fuzzy and disoriented with the greater degrees of dehy. U would check it out asap and get on it - you may be able to prevent it getting too much worse if you get it quickly.
MOH I've just read through that spreadsheet. I am aghast at some of the attitudes. I feel like going to the surgery or a and e and just standing in the waiting room shouting about it until someone listens. All those poor women that didn't know any better or didn't gave the energy to complain. I am surprised there haven't been any deaths due to those bloody doctors and midwives!!! sorry for language but that is just too much!

honeymoonmum Mon 15-Apr-13 12:48:23

Think I am dehydrated. Feel really dizzy and fuzzy and only weed 2-3 times yesterday and once today. Can I rehydrate at home do you think?

LucindaE Mon 15-Apr-13 13:22:17

Honeymoon Symtoms include builders tea urine, lol, vagueness, blurred vision headache, inability to concentrate (I couldn't follow that the Acupunturist was telling me that the matter had become a medical emergency, whatever my gp said a few days earlier, lol) and dry skin, lips and tongue. Sorry, but I think it's best to report to A and E particularly if you haven't got kesosticks - I think most people on here say that if it gets to that state it's not possible to rehydrate at home because you will just bring up the large amount of fluids required.
Tired MOH I so agree. I had hoped things had got better...
Lucinda
xx

Pollaidh Mon 15-Apr-13 13:28:21

honey sounds like dehydration to me, it's hard to recognise when you're dehydrated yourself unfortunately, as you get confused.

MOH I don't know who to suggest it to, but how about also doing a survey of positive attitudes and experiences from health care professionals, so that when they get the report (I assume there will be one) saying how awful they are, they also get some case studies/best practice examples and see that in other areas of the NHS doctors are being very supportive of HG patients? I work in a political area and this is what I'd do if I was planning something like this at work.

TiredFeet Mon 15-Apr-13 13:54:46

agree with pollaidh it would be great to have some pointers on what makes a positive difference too. my care this time couldn't be more contrasting to last time and in addition to improving my physical health it is also having a massive positive impact on my mental health, last time I was desperately depressed and traumatised by it, this time is nowhere near as bad

HumphreyCobbler Mon 15-Apr-13 17:11:05

I have had to stop reading that survey as it was giving me the RAGE. I had a discussion at a dinner party when Kate hit the news, people were saying the usual shit and I was about to get really annoyed when a doctor at the table basically said they were all wrong and that in third world countries this can be a terminal condition. That shut them up. At that point I had not suffered HG myself, I would possibly have exploded with rage otherwise.

Best wishes to all of you suffering. I am feeling much much better and am contemplating stopping the medication, but I don't quite dare yet .

honeymoonmum Mon 15-Apr-13 17:35:13

So pleased you feel better Humphrey. How many weeks are you now?

HumphreyCobbler Mon 15-Apr-13 17:39:41

I am fourteen weeks - I have been lucky (in one sense!) that I responded really well to front line medication, and thanks to this thread, did not end up in hospital due to dehydration. I think I would have done, were it not for the excellent advice and information I received here.

I am keeping my fingers crossed though, as I am aware HG can sneak up on you...

Are you feeling better honeymoon? Have you managed to keep some water down, or are you getting fluids?

honeymoonmum Mon 15-Apr-13 18:09:30

I'm at home feeling as sick as ever. Cyclizine and ondansetron have worked in that I'm managing not to be sick if I sit/lie still but getting liquid in a real struggle. No ketones on testing and managing to sip water just feel so ill today. Covered in horrible spots too-painful and unattractive ! So glad you feel better Humphrey

TiredFeet Mon 15-Apr-13 19:44:21

Lovely to hear you are feeling better humphrey smile fingers crossed you feel able to come off the meds soon, don't blame you for feeling nervous about it. I am with you on the kate middleton story, I am not normally remotely interested in the royals /celebrity news but when I read the story I sat at my desk in floods of tears, especially at some of the dumb comments being made. I think though actually the kate story has helped raise awareness of the issues and the difference between normal morning sickness and hyperemesis.

TiredFeet Mon 15-Apr-13 19:45:40

honeymoon sorry you sound like you are having a really bad day flowers

honeymoonmum Mon 15-Apr-13 20:39:52

Thanks tired I am. Sucked on some ice and eaten a piece of toast but orherwise battling awful almost constant nausea. Almost want to stick fingers down throat to just be done with it. At that awful mouth watering, stomach clenching, can't move a muscle stage sad

HumphreyCobbler Mon 15-Apr-13 20:49:57

That is how the cyclizine made me feel honeymoon - I honestly would have rather thrown up than have the feeling that it was all lodged in my throat. I do hope tomorrow is a better day.

LucindaE Mon 15-Apr-13 20:56:05

Honeymoon Goodness, no ketones, I am surprised, I thought that fuzzy headedness must surely be dehydration. Poor you. This is probably the worst stage, you will come through.
Hayley How are you, we haven't heard from you since you were admitted?
Tired Good points about postive feedback.
Humphrey So glad things are getting better and this thread helped keep you out of hospital.
Princess how are you and Reebok and Princess and Pollidah and Waves and Everyone. Hugs to all.
Lucinda
xx

fl0b0t Mon 15-Apr-13 21:32:08

bodo- one of the only things I could eat early pregnancy was dried apricots (kpt by the bed at all times) which luckily kept the constipation to a minimum. I hope you find something!

Hope you're all doing ok. I'm to scared to leave this thread as I still have horribly nauseous days and some sickness, and whenever you think it's gone, it comes back. Thinking of you all x

MOH100 Mon 15-Apr-13 23:26:18

poll I should explain the purpose of the survey, I'm meeting tomorrow with some consultants to discuss the outline scope of green top guidelines on behalf of the royal college of GPs. These consultants are the good guys, i either know them fairly well or I've read their work, so I know that they know how HG should be treated and they have the right attitude to it. What I want to push for is a strong statement that HG is not a psychosomatic condition, previous review papers and guidelines from other countries are a bit wishy washy on this topic for my liking, they say things like there is scant evidence that psychological problems cause HG, it is more likely that its the other way round. I want them to come out and say that the balance of evidence is such that speculation that it might be psychosomatic is unsupportable and this theory should henceforth be shelved. Its a bit like 40 years ago someone said that the moon has a core of cream cheese and forever more people have to say that there is scant evidence that the moons core is made of cream cheese but we cant rule it out because we havent gone there to prove its not. the idea that hg is psychosomatic is ludicrous, utterly ludicrous, and it should be highlighted as such. all this pussyfooting about just allows ignorant HCPs to carry on talking shite about it.

Moreover, we should be clear that such insinuations are abusive and lead to a great deal of suffering. I don't know, they might be happy with this and I might not need to put up a fight, but I wanted some ammunition just incase. Because these consultants are good and set the tone for their departments, they won't be hearing these kinds of comments on a daily basis and I want them to understand that this kind of thing is not historical, nor is it isolated incidents. I know there is a lot of good practice, but in my experience, excellent treatment is in the minority, most of it ranges from just about satisfactory to abysmal.

I'll report back after the meeting. I got good comments when I sent in my draft headings for the meeting, so I think it will be a good discussion. One of the trustees from pregnancy sickness support is also there, and one of the consultants was the one who suggested to the head of the working group that I be included, so I think it will be friendly and productive.

TiredFeet Tue 16-Apr-13 06:43:51

moh it sounds very worthwhile today. Completely get your point about the scant evidence comment. My only comment would be that last time I didn't hear any negative comments but my treatment indicated a lack of understanding of the condition (was just given anti sickness meds and left to get on with it, no one ever tested for ketones or even asked to see me it was all done over telephone). After one bad day this time I was ill enough for hospital admission, yet last time I was ill like the bad days almost every day for five weeks and never even tested let alone admitted even when I called to say I was vomiting blood. I feel deeply traumatised by it yet the doctors had made all the right sympathetic noises. Not sure if that makes sense but I wasn't sure I could feed that into your survey. If I can I will.

TiredFeet Tue 16-Apr-13 06:46:21

Sorry, somehow I went off at a tangent and didn't really say what I meant to which is that this sounds like a very good idea for a meeting and I am sure it could make a really positive difference. (Blame the meds/illness making me fuzzy!). Hope it goes well!

HumphreyCobbler Tue 16-Apr-13 08:07:36

Best of luck for the meeting today moh. It is wonderful that you are doing this.

Reading the survey made it clear how abusive those comments actually are to women suffering this terrible condition. It just beggars belief sad

BoyMeetsWorld Tue 16-Apr-13 08:16:25

Oooh MOH it's great that somebody's doing battle for us over this - let us know how it goes. On a broader level, once HPs can be convinced its not all in our heads, I think there should be more educational resources for partners / caters etc of people with HG - there are enough of those who firmly believe we're neurotic too & don't really understand how to best help. But maybe it's a top-down ethos situation.

Fl0b0t - dried apricots sound like a great idea, might try those. I did manage a little food yday and kept it down a while so proud of myself smile

How is everyone today? I went back to work yday but it was short lived. Still throwing up, took half a day to try and drink a cup of water. Prob is work don't know the reason - I'm too cautious to tell anyone until 12wks because of past record, & I'm worried how it's going to look when my HR files say Norivirus for extended time off then I have to tell them the truth at 12 wks. Is explaining I was scared of mc justification or will I get in trouble for lying????

DS finds out about schools today. Argh!

LucindaE Tue 16-Apr-13 09:29:16

Boy You wicked thing, going back to work (furious clucking). Everyone on here forces herself back too early. It's your business about being pregnant and ill and I so know what you mean about wanting to keep it quiet because of fear of miscarriage.
MOH deserves a medal for what she's done to further understanding and support of Hyperemesis sufferers - if only I had suffered during the last five years I'd be filling in that latest survey like a shot, but the barbaric lack of treatment I received happened long ago...
How are the lollies going down Everybody? What do people think of jelly, I found it inoffensive on the way up again?
Waves Are you a channel islander born?
Room I missed your lovely post, it makes me so happy when someone says this thread helped a bit in their darkest hours.
Hayleybop12 Are you still about, and have you got new meds?
Bodo How are things? Reebok Hopefully long recovered from that awful migraine? Princess and Honeymoon?
Talyra any news re tests? Sorry to Anyone rudely ignored.
Lucinda
xx

Hi all, checking in from hospital, PICC line seems to be working well, but still waiting for an info sheet on how to take care of it etc.

I half managed 10 days back at work but it was way too much. Still hopeful I'll get back at some stage, but it all depends. I now have IV ondansetron twice a day up here, but nights and mornings are still brutal.

lucinda yes, I'm a channel islander born and bred. Lovely, if expensive place to live. But it's home. We have to pay for gp visits but not hospital here so I'm very relieved that I've just been in hospital care for most of this or I'd be flat broke. And moh I can't fill in your survey as ci aren't part of the uk. Best of luck with everything.

I need to sleep now, was up having hugs with the loo til about 3 then had to chase the DCs to school so feel exhausted

honeymoonmum Tue 16-Apr-13 09:48:59

Good luck MOH doing a Stirling job for those of us too weak and ill to stand up for ourselves. Let us all know how it goes. Feeling slightly better this morning thank goodness. Yesterday was a tough one.

Tallyra Tue 16-Apr-13 09:49:09

Gooduck MOH, although it seems you've got it well in hand. Sounds like a gigantic step in the right direction. U haven't filled in the form because I simply can't remember specifics. I'm sure I did experience negativity but the majority of my treatment was good here so I must have blocked out the bad stuff. it's bad enough feeling like crap, so when someone belittles your efforts it must be absolutely heartbreaking and deflating. I really was so out of it most if the time, I can't imagine how all of you are managing to work as well!!
Lucinda I'm still waiting to hear about an appt. re-faxed the letter yesterday in case it didn't make it. I'm amazed at the vagueness of the letter though. makes my worries seem so trivial and doesn't even mention the hg - I know it's a separate medical issue, but it's very important in my decision making process!

LadyMedea Tue 16-Apr-13 11:15:54

Just wanted to report that I saw the duty doc this morning to get help my increasing nausea and vomiting and say I wasn't coping (7 weeks, been building for last ten days).

She was great, tested for ketones which were present but not terrible and straight away prescribed prochlorperazine. I've used it before for vertigo so I'm hopeful that this will bring things down to a copable level.

Seems like at least my GP surgery has got the message that early treatment is best!

honeymoonmum Tue 16-Apr-13 11:21:39

Welcome to the thread ladymedea and to the joy of HG in the early days. I'm 8 weeks and been suffering since 5 weeks plus. Hope your meds work. Mine been good for a week but very on and off and starting to feel increasingly worse. Hang in there, this thread is a fab support.

LucindaE Tue 16-Apr-13 12:19:15

LadyMedea Love that name- according to Robert Graves she was maligned by patriarchs saying she killed her own children by Jason - welcome, here's a pile of cushions, glad you were taken seriously, excellent to hear good news about early treatment before that dismal dehydration -collapse - admission - grudging giving of cyclazine that so often follows from desperate visits to GP's surgeries.
Honeymoon Did you say earlier you were on stemetil? Worth asking for a change, of course, if the puking begins badly again, but I so agree the sick feeling is almost worse.
Waves I have never been to the CI but I am determined to see them sometime. I am speechless that you went back to work, can't even cluck - how did you have the energy and what is the world coming to if you were pressurised into doing so when you are so ill. You didn't pass out? How goes the lodger situation?
Tallyra After three miscarriages, I've read that the chances are about 85% in your favour for a successful pregancy, overwhelmingly in your favour, but it's nasty and nerve wracking and I think people should take
your fears seriously, particularly with Hypermesis. I think Kalidasa who used to be on here and was the worst case I had encountered until Waves had three early miscarriages...Her boy's some months old now.
Apologies to anyone rudely ignored.
Lucinda
xx

honeymoonmum Tue 16-Apr-13 13:35:40

Hi luncinda I'm not on stematil as went back into hospital and was given ondansetron on top of cyclizine. Spoke to my gp today who said she can't alter the dosage of ondansetron and I need to contact hospital but I have no number or idea who to ask. Shall I ring ward I was on? She said I'm afraid its crisis management now and nothing they can do unless I'm so sick or dehydrated I need admission but to call anytime if I felt this was the case. Basically I just have to suffer through it as we all do.

Haylebop12 Tue 16-Apr-13 13:49:02

Afternoon ladies.

Internets been down sad so I've missed you lot,

Got discharged on Saturday. No new meds lucinda but the advice that I should be taking both the cyclizine and metochlopromide and not just one to manage it myself, however, I'm feel SOOOO much better. 14+2 and things are definitely improving. My energy levels are up and I think I'm out the other side. Been late with meds a fair bit and no repercussions of it whereas before it would send me into vomiting hell.

There is light at the end of the tunnel. [grik]

MOH100 Tue 16-Apr-13 14:32:24

Teleconference went really well, a great group of people who want to get good guidelines out as soon as possible. I'm going to ask what the timescale is, there are several steps in the process still to go through and evidence gathering will take time.

TiredFeet Tue 16-Apr-13 14:33:34

honeymoon no harm in calling the ward you were on, that is what I was told to do. I am sure they will be able to put you through to the right place / person if its not the right thing.

really happy to read that you might be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel hayle smile

welcome ladymedea if that's the right word. I have had lots of good advice from the lovely people on here, I felt quite lost beforehand!

Hello, I'm in pain from PICC line today. Apparently this is common so I have to try hot compresses on my upper arm. Paracetamol recommended too but the vomiting just started again so I'll see if I can get something on the ward tomorrow.

lucinda i did pass out at work yes, another reason I'm signed off again. My blood pressure is not great though, the lower reading refuses to go above 50, so I seem anywhere between 80/40 to 100/50 at the moment.

I have had enough. Just managed to wee myself whilst vomiting hard, and earlier had to use ky jelly to get my own poo out. It is making me feel like a disgusting freak. My teeth are stained but i can't get dental treatment with the picc line in apparently. Not that I have the energy to make an appointment let alone attend one!

I hate this.

honeymoonmum Tue 16-Apr-13 16:18:04

Poor poor you waves the degradation and discomfort we have to go through. It's just awful. haylebop you are my new inspiration! Just had booking appointment with lovely midwife who came to my house and DH home tonight. Managed some cheese on toast ????? !!! For lunch, the most meal like think ive had in weeks and generally feeling but better. Small gains people, small gains, it's all we have. Hope you all get at least one soon x

Waves I feel for you. Yes, it is degrading and horrific. I cannot manage without ondansetron though so sometimes I just have to deal with the constipation. I am not ashamed to give (graphic) advice on here because I personally think that ondansetron is so useful for HG but we need to be honest about the side effects. I really wanted to be off of it weeks ago but at the moment, it is the least if my worries. They are being really good with regularly offering me ondansetron in whatever form I can manage and were lovely when they had to bring me bowls last night while I was contracting (again, sigh).

Keep hanging in there ladies. And thank you to MOH for fighting our battles. I'm having great care this time but I know how rubbish the care can be.

LucindaE Tue 16-Apr-13 17:41:25

Hayleybop12 So glad you feel a bit better - lovely news.
MOH More good news!
Waves Hugs, avoiding picc line, poor you, I did a lot of that simultaneous peeing and puking, it's awful, 'Lucinda E can't have a puke without having a pee' - the KY jelly was a brianwave if you haven't got any of those suppositories.
Room No tmi on here, can't be - be as graphic as you please with advice.
Honeymoon Contacting ward seems good idea as Tiredfeet says. Congratulations on cheese and toast.
Bodo Very quiet of late...
LadyMedea How are you?
Lucinda
xx

LucindaE Tue 16-Apr-13 17:46:29

Room How could I have missed that bit about your premature labour, poor you, how nerve wracking. Someone else on here had that, they managed to stave it off for some weeks. Are the bowls for puking or the other end?
Lucinda
xx

BoyMeetsWorld Tue 16-Apr-13 18:55:00

Hayle glad you're feeling better.

I swear...if my DH tells me one more time it just sounds like something got stuck in my throat when I'm dry heaving stomach acid, or rolls his eyes & shrugs when I say I've been sick. I'm going to kill him. & now he's sulking because I don't know what I might be able to eat for dinner. He just doesn't get it sad

TiredFeet Tue 16-Apr-13 20:18:23

Waves poor you, I was hoping tehe picc line would become more comfortable, not less. I hope it improves soon. I am totally with you on the indignity of it all, have had the vomiting/peeing problem too! the only thing to cling on to is that it will pass one day, however far away it must feel right now

room how are things going?

boy that's rubbish for you, he really doesn't get it! the strange thing is, most people have had a tummy bug or similar at some point so you would think it would be possible for them to at least try and imagine what it might feel like. I think people cling on to the idea that you're 'pregnant not ill' but it is so unjust in these circumstances.

I have found it so much easier not having DH around these last few days! How come his parents are able to be nice and look after me and DS (and they cleaned the house top to bottom bless them!), and yet for DH he is having tantrums when I ask him to delay going out mountain biking till someone can get here to help me.

bodo2 Tue 16-Apr-13 20:39:50

Hi all, thanks for checking up on me Lucinda. I'm OK. I went back to work on Monday. School have been incredibly supportive. They've said that I can prioritise my A Level classes and they will cover my younger year groups so I can rest up at home. I'm OK but absolutely shattered. 6 weeks of not eating properly has left me severely lacking in energy. Since my 'incident' on Sunday night, I'm a bit scared to go to the toilet! Been trying to drink more and eat more fruit. Just sent my hubbie to buy dried apricots... thanks for the tip! I've tried cutting down a bit on my meds in the last day or so. So far so good. Still nauseous, but managing to keep food and drink down thus far. Taking a day at a time. Love to all. Well done MOH for all your hard work.

honeymoonmum Tue 16-Apr-13 21:00:20

tired and boy my DH is back tonight meaning my mum leaves and even DS1 aged 4 said I don't want daddy to come back I want granny to look after me! Mum has been so fab and I'm sure that's why I've managed to eat a little since she has been here. I do love DH dearly but he is a rubbish carer!!!! Men!

BoyMeetsWorld Wed 17-Apr-13 07:50:16

Lol honey maybe it's just not in many of their natures (I'm sure some men are fantastic carers). They think provide - hunt - procreate not 'hold hair back and rub back whilst hurling' :p hope you manage ok now your mum's gone x

Pollaidh Wed 17-Apr-13 12:27:14

MOH well done, I am so glad someone is fighting for us outside.
Waves I hope the PICC line feels better soon. It sounds like they are taking your situation very seriously at least.
Room, that must be very stressful for you. I hope you manage to hang on in there.

Yesterday I had my first 'work' conversation in 6 weeks or so. It was short and casual but I found it exhausting. Still, things seem to be improving as I can eat 5 different things and am going to the hairdresser today (haven't had strength to wash hair, so it's been well over 3 weeks, yuk!).

honeymoonmum Wed 17-Apr-13 15:25:42

poll great news about feeling better. I'm so sick of toast and toast based food. Also of HG mind games ie feel ok one minute then like death the next. Can't plan anything and I too am in desperate need of grooming-though as I'm not currently leaving the house what does it really matter? Urgh roll on an end to nausea. So so grim.

LucindaE Wed 17-Apr-13 15:27:33

Poll You're back at work too - another - everyone goes back too early ( I don't think people should have to go back until the baby is months old if they've had this for more than a few weeks). But what was the incident you mention that makes you scared to go to the loo, can't find the reference, I may be being obtuse.
Oh dear, I think men are hopeless carers too. I bet they could develop the pathways in their brains (mean joke - their what?) if they tried to do it enough times, though...
Room How are things? Everyone?
Lucinda
xx

HumphreyCobbler Wed 17-Apr-13 16:51:30

Hello everyone. I have had a rough day, although I have not been sick I have been on the verge all day. This is a very retrograde step, I have been feeling really well. Then DS comes home with a sickness bug, threw up in the car and then twice since getting home. What are the chances I will escape? <despair> My sense of smell/nausea has suddenly got really sensitive again too.

honeymoonmum Wed 17-Apr-13 17:14:40

Oh no humphrey I'm just the same, half a step forward then back to musing in bed feeling so nauseous I can't think. I managed to escape our puke bug last week but pretty much stayed right away from whole family. Fingers crossed you are spared/ feel better again soon.

honeymoonmum Wed 17-Apr-13 17:15:02

Ps meant moaning!!!!

fl0b0t Wed 17-Apr-13 18:30:14

Hey you lot. Been thinking about you all a lot this week. I've been on the whole living a normal life which is brilliant, but it's SO hard not to over do it eh? Evenings my nausea is getting really bad again and I'm taking my promethazine earlier and earlier to try to combat it. sad

chocciemousse Wed 17-Apr-13 18:38:36

Hi all, I hope everyone is coping as best they can. I too went back to work since being off the past 3 months. I have some extra support with me until the end of the week but I will be back to the gruelling long days next week. I am absolutely shattered just after today.People are beginning to realise I'm pregnant now as I have suddenly developed a belly literally over night but I guess I am 20 weeks now.. It is infuriating though as colleagues don't understand what I've been going through and I feel like they just think I'm being all soft about having morning sickness.
waves my blood pressure is really low too. It is anywhere between 80/44 to 89/50. My voice goes all funny too.

TiredFeet Wed 17-Apr-13 19:00:26

feeling really upset right now sad DH has just shouted at me for being lazy sad I'm sat here with awful nausea only about to keep any food / drink down if I sit really still for ages (at least an hour) after and yet somehow I am lazy, even though this afternoon I have looked after DS 2.5 taken him for a walk as its the only way he'll nap even though I felt so dizzy and tried to make the afternoon nice for him (he's done sandpit and bubbles and had his cars outside but he did get upset at how much I just had to sit still). I am so so sick of DH making me upset, I swear its making the sickness worse. He just seems so angry at me for being ill sad

TiredFeet Wed 17-Apr-13 19:04:44

choccie well done for coping with the return to work. could you book some days / half days of leave maybe to make the first long week a bit shorter? or do they need you back too badly? Last time round I was shocked how physically hard I found it going back to work. completely get what you are saying about dumb comments from colleagues, really hard to cope with when you are struggling your way back in.

I can't face work at the minute, I work in the public sector and there can often be quite smelly people in reception which is bad at the best of times, plus the toilets are miles away through several double doors. work are being nice about it. If I have a good day tomorrow I might try and go in for a bit but I couldn't even keep my meds down this morning, I did improve a bit this afternoon fortunately.

Tallyra Wed 17-Apr-13 19:17:20

Oh tired, sending you huge hugs. Sounds like dh needs a chat with someone else who has had experienced hg. have you thought of asking for a visit from someone in PSS?

Pollaidh Wed 17-Apr-13 20:27:03

Oh damn. Seem to have picked up a bug - went from feeling fine (well, HG fine) to fever and very sore swollen throat in about 3 hours. Just what I need.

Pollaidh Wed 17-Apr-13 20:30:31

Sorry tired I didn't see your post. Yes stress from lack of support can definitely make HG worse. I think you're doing really well getting out and playing etc.

LucindaE Wed 17-Apr-13 20:45:08

Oh no, bad news from most, great news from Flo anyway, normal life? Wow!
Tired Poor you, hugs, I'm angry at DH for being so insensitive. Lazy?!!!
Choccie Another back at work - cluck - tell them all it's Hyperemesis, still in undeveloped countries without proper medical care, a life threatening condition...
Poll Oh, no! and Humphrey Oh no too...
We haven't heard from Hotcrossbum in a while...
Gentle cyber pats to all. Sorry if I've missed Anyone.
Lucinda

xx

Tallyra Wed 17-Apr-13 20:52:55

Hi lucinda I got a phonecall this afternoon with a date for my initial clinic appt. it's not until June :'(
so we now have to hold off with the TTC until then. I'm so frustrated right now!!

TiredFeet Wed 17-Apr-13 21:38:57

I have told him this evening that stress makes HG worse, as that had been written in my notes. I've told him its counter productive to shout at me as its likely to make it worse/ longer. He has been fairly quiet since so I am hoping he is chewing it over in his mind. He just has such a foul temper and gets angry without ever thinking things through. what is PSS?? sorry for all the ranting, just feel very isolated right now sad don't feel able to talk to family / friends about it.

pollaidh awful luck you poor poor thing.

Pollaidh Wed 17-Apr-13 21:40:26

Does anyone have any tips? I'm struggling to swallow as my throat is really quite sore and swollen. Wondering how on earth I'm going to get in the liquids and anti-emetics...

TiredFeet Wed 17-Apr-13 21:58:26

hmmm pollaidh, not sure, my normal sore throat cures are salt water gargle (which really does help but might be the last thing you want to do right now) or painkillers, which I am guessing are out...

not a help for now I guess if you are struggling to swallow that tablets you could ask for an injection tomorrow? midwife has offered me these if I continue to struggle to keep the meds down.

might ice lollies help soothe your throat a little maybe?

clutching at straws though, that sounds truly miserable. I hope someone can come along with something helpful!

HumphreyCobbler Wed 17-Apr-13 22:03:06

TiredFeet sad your husband is being unsupportive. How dare he call you lazy. You are a hero for enduring this horrible illness. He is very lucky he does not have to angry. Can you get a supportive midwife/GP to tell him how bad it is?

Can you manage some paracetemol pollaidh? Or is that a forlorn hope?

Pollaidh Wed 17-Apr-13 22:04:05

Thanks tired, I'd forgotten about the injection option, that might be a good idea tomorrow. I've been on the ice lollies this evening so getting fluids in that way.

Twit Wed 17-Apr-13 22:08:39

sad

I'm not a frequent m-netter anymore, but when I am around I always try to look in on LucindaE and her thread. It always makes me sad to read that there are people out there who feel as awful as I did. I once said to my DH that I wouldn't wish HG on anyone and I still mean it.
I can only offer an ear, how I 'managed' and my support as I don't know about any of the drugs, I was told, point blank that there were no drugs available and that I'd be in a ward with the properly sick people wasting nurses/ dr's time.
ThAnks to this thread none of you will have to 'just cope'.

I have had 3 pregnancies with HG, the third ending in a MMC, and three without (same father). Although this will be of no use to you right now, what I truly believe helped me get through the last three without HG was to eat and eat and eat high sugar foods and carbohydrates.
I felt that if I let my blood sugar drop, I'd feel worse, that would make me not want to eat, which would drop it further and then I would start to vomit - and we all know where that leads.

Anyhoo... One of my consistent foods that helped was salt and vinegar crisps. It somehow cut thought the pervading ick and could help, because I was actually eating. And as has been mentioned, flat coke or lemonade.
And yes to not being able to tolerate smells. I had to get new shower gel, shampoo, deodorant because my normal stuff was suddenly so vile
Ad the smell of DH shock. He would have to shower twice, once to wash and once to get rid of the smell of shower gel .
Out of interest, were any if your mothers afflicted? Mine was as was my maternal grandmother. I only hope I can be there if DD needs me.

I hope you all manage to stay well, my mind often strays to this thread so even if you don't know me and I don't know you, my sympathy and thoughts to you all are out there floating around grin

And the one thing that truly helped me was having my doctor sit down on my bed at home and tell me she believed me (not the aforementioned one, my new one) and trying to offer solutions (flat coke and lemonade)

Twit Wed 17-Apr-13 22:10:08

Sorry, me again, a random thought, have you tried freezing the flat coke/lemonade? Would that be at all helpful?

TiredFeet Wed 17-Apr-13 22:10:19

Humphrey I know, I am thinking about going to midwife appointment on my own and raising it with her and seeing if I can get some support. But I'm not very good at opening up to people so worried I will wimp out sad.

glad lollies are helping a little pollaidh, doctors were always happy to give me an injection asap last time when I couldn't keep meds down, so don't hesitate to ask them if you need it.

Tallyra Wed 17-Apr-13 22:23:39

PSS is pregnancy sickness support, a small charity that is doing amazing things spreading the word and helping. If you look down the thread I'm sure there is a link but you can search on Google quite easily, there are volunteers in many areas that will visit and help out or at least offer moral support. they are on fb too.

Pollaidh Wed 17-Apr-13 23:16:14

Well Makaton (like baby signing) is coming in handy for comms as I an no longer speak. Thanks Mr Tumble!

MOH100 Thu 18-Apr-13 09:12:02

twit would you consider submitting an entry in a survey I'm running examining attitudes of healthcare professionals to HG. This is in preparation for guidelines to doctors which are being prepared by the RCOG. I'm a patients representative on the working group which is preparing the guidelines, and if any recommendations are made, there must be evidence to back it up. I want to include a statement that HG is not psychosomatic and suggestions that it is are still prevalent, so I need to have submissions from women to show that it is still a problem. The survey is at https://sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/surveys/survey-on-attitudes

poll I love makaton too, really handy for telling off across a crowded playgroup I find.

Twit Thu 18-Apr-13 09:57:41

Hi all, I hope you managed a decent night's sleep and a good day smile

MOH100 I read up thread about your survey, but I had HG 15 and 12 years ago so not recent enough, let me know though.

We should try to come up with a suitable response to the unsympathetic arseholes out there, my old doctor told me I was being sick because I wasn't eating the right things hmm.

LucindaE Thu 18-Apr-13 10:57:56

Twit Hello, lovely to hear from you on the thread nobody wants to need! It's nice you still keep up with us. I so agree about that flat coke, can't recommend that and salt and vinegar crisps or maybe plain too highly and freezing it too (I forgot to warn someone to let it go flat first on this thread and it messed her freezer up). That reminds me, might that help your poor throat Tired? When blood comes up if it's red its usually from the throat because of violence of the retching.
MOH How are things with LO?
Hope Everyone is coping today. What a storm last night!
Lucinda
xx