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What are you missing from the extensive list of avoid eating....

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Kateliztmum2be Sun 17-Mar-13 09:45:46

Hi ladies,
Congrats to all expectant mums2 be!
I'm 19+3 with 1st baby and so new experiences every day! However I'm having a huge craving for eggs, not just any eggs, poached eggs with a dippy yolk, (wipes druell from chin) ! It's the only item on the "avoid eating" list I'm really missing! Breakfast just isn't the same with scrambled or an omelette or a, god forbid, dry fry with hard yolk... I was just wandering if I'm alone in my irrational food desires!?
On the flip side I've never been a sweet tooth or fruit eater, but seem to be craving both!? And I'm completely off red and cooked meats, I had to make a sharp exit from the meat aisle of the supermarket!

Are you having any strange cravings or missing anything in particular!?

Just interested in the myths and old wives tales really

Xx

Are you in the uk? If so, runny eggs are fine.

Caitycat Sun 17-Mar-13 09:53:51

I second that, runny eggs fine as long as they're lion stamped, in fact I didn't really give up much when pg. Only pate and alcohol perhaps that makes me irresponsible but dd is well and happy and I think you need to look at the whys behind the list and make a decision bases on the facts. Yes you might get listeria but do you know anyone who ever has? From supermarket cheese that's well in date? Thought not!

offonajolly Sun 17-Mar-13 09:58:59

red wine with blue cheese and biscuits....mmmm

cider

rare steak

smoked salmon

salami, chorizo

pate

all of them! but I try not to think about it too much smile

purrpurr Sun 17-Mar-13 10:03:37

Off, you can have smoked salmon, and salami, and chorizo, where on earth are you getting these from? The Made Up List of Stuff The Wimminz Can't Eat?

Mind you, I thoroughly enjoyed a nice quiche at a buffet at Christmas, only to find out afterwards I wasn't allowed it. Still no idea. Probably something to do with eggs. Bloody ridiculous. Building incredibly long lists of things we're not supposed to eat (but are safe in modern times) seems to be a particularly pointy stick developed to beat pregnant women with. I'm not having any of it. 33 weeks today and bump and I are perfectly healthy, quiche or no quiche.

Kateliztmum2be Sun 17-Mar-13 10:20:42

I was advised well cooked (hard) yolks only by midwife!?!? Am I misinformed?

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 17-Mar-13 10:23:53

Mmm Brie <salivates>
Pâté, which is odd because I very rarely eat it!

andadietcoke Sun 17-Mar-13 10:26:20

kateliz the only thing my mw told me to be really careful about what shellfish. Poached eggs are fine as long as the egg white is cooked (ie there's no runny egg white goo - technical term there) and the eggs are lion stamped.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/pages/foods-to-avoid-pregnant.aspx#close - undercooked eggs are still on the list and it mentions nothing about lion stamped eggs

sundaesundae Sun 17-Mar-13 10:33:31

Why the hell can't you eat quiche???

My midwife told me I could eat runny eggs if they were lion stamped because it meant they were guaranteed salmonella free.

The only thing I haven't eaten is raw blue / unpasteurised cheese and pate. I don't feel deprived.

waitingtopop Sun 17-Mar-13 10:45:11

I'm 38+3 and I was informed not to eat runny eggs however after buying a book called "pregnancy -everything a new mum needs to know" I read that as long as the eggs are lion stamped your fine to eat them runny as long as the white isn't snotty.. I was seriously craving runny eggs too!!

AnythingNotEverything Sun 17-Mar-13 10:52:42

I miss runny eggs too ... Weekends just aren't the same! I'm getting so confused with the mixed messages about what we can and can't eat.

What's wrong with quiche?! I hadn't heard that one.

The one thing I'm really really really looking forward to is a blue fillet steak. I'm not due until October. I'll be crazed by then!

MyNameIsAnAnagram Sun 17-Mar-13 10:56:45

Nothing because I am eating what I feel like, sometimes it includes things off the "banned" list.

Ellypoo Sun 17-Mar-13 10:59:49

My MW said that as long as the eggs were lion stamped (therefore vaccinated against salmonella), and that the white was cooked and not snotty, then runny yolks are ok.

Glad Stilton is now ok, but really miss blue steak and pate.

Excited85 Sun 17-Mar-13 11:00:06

I'm getting confused too anythingnoteverything. I was told all I needed to avoid was soft cheese with rind, liver/pâté, certain obscure fish and raw/undercooked meat & eggs. And alcohol obviously. None of these things are central to my diet and little one will be here by Christmas when I have my annual pate and soft cheese!!! Didn't know about quiche, but then I'm sure I've had friends moan that they aren't allowed to eat practically anything!

legallyblond Sun 17-Mar-13 11:28:38

Rare steak is fine provided all sides are seared... Told by my consultant obstetrician who basically rubbished what's on the nhs website. It's out of date.

legallyblond Sun 17-Mar-13 11:29:22

Oh and yes - blue cheese also fine.

legallyblond Sun 17-Mar-13 11:31:01

Sorry for the bitty posting, but apparently people should be much more concerned by vitamin supplements than normal food.

sjupes Sun 17-Mar-13 11:34:01

Nothing but a nice glass of wine.

I worried so much for 1 and a half pregnancies but got to 5 months in my second and went ''ah feck it'' half of the rules are outdated or just bs completely.

Now 19 weeks with dc3 and the last one seems alright [grib]

sjupes Sun 17-Mar-13 11:34:45

I meant grin yet grib just looks so... interesting hmm

andadietcoke Sun 17-Mar-13 11:39:47

legallyblond I would love it if that was true. Apparently it used to be the case and then the nhs updated the advice again. The advice you were given makes sense to me because the bacteria is on the outside of the cut of meat. Off to google some more...

I don't miss wine as much as I thought I would, but I bought a mini bottle of cava yesterday that's just over 2 units for a treat at some point.

AmandaPayneNeedsaHoliday Sun 17-Mar-13 11:41:45

The egg advise is really old and inaccurate.

If you eat fresh eggs from lion marked eggs, they have been vaccinated against salmonella and you can happily eat them.

Try questioning your midwife on this and see what she says. Sadly, many midwives just trot out 'it's for salmonella' without really understanding the salmonella risks in this country.

The big risks of salmonella are badly prepared food, undercooked chicken and dodgy buffets!

The NHS advice is full of massive holes and inconsistencies. For example, all pate is banned. Now liver should genuinely be avoided. As should pate that has been made and stored. But if you whip up a homemade (non liver) pate, the mere fact of mushing it up and shoving it into a ramekin then eating it two hours later does not make it dangerous. You are no more likely to get listeria from freshly made homemade pate than its constituent ingredients. And the advice leaves out some of the most common causes of food poisoning, including take away restaurants, buffets, bagged salad, etc.

AmandaPayneNeedsaHoliday Sun 17-Mar-13 11:46:57

For those who fancy some reading:

This by Zoe Williams is old, but interesting generally.

This is interesting on parma ham.

Jojobump1986 Sun 17-Mar-13 11:59:21

Yesterday I ate: camembert, stilton, chorizo & a few sips of wine. I'm a terrible mother! blush

sundaesundae Sun 17-Mar-13 12:10:17

The rare steak thing is due to toxoplasmosis apparently. Something you certainly don't want, but I am not sure there is a risk from British Beef, I think there have been issues in the US?

Iheartcrunchiebars Sun 17-Mar-13 12:21:05

I'm rubbish too! I always thought I would be really strict but I've had pretty much everything on the banned list.

My midwife said runny yolks are fine just make sure all the white is cooked and the yolk is hot.

Kelly1814 Sun 17-Mar-13 12:23:56

i had eggs benedict at the weekend, runny yolks were delish!

other than that i'm missing wine, wine and wine.

some people told me that the smell/thought of booze during pregnancy turned their stomach - i do wish that was me!

smallsmith Sun 17-Mar-13 13:13:49

I've been merrily eating eggs, runny or not, and quiche is one of my cravings, so very much hoping that's ok!

Only thing I'm missing is sushi - have read mixed opinions on this one, so not sure whether it would be ok or not - any thoughts?

andadietcoke Sun 17-Mar-13 14:13:32

small most supermarket sushi has been frozen beforehand and so is fine. I've read differing reports about Yo Sushi - I thought that they froze all their sashimi apart from the salmon but have since read that it's fresh, so no idea!

AmandaPayneNeedsaHoliday Sun 17-Mar-13 14:59:32

Yes, sushi is fine if it is frozen beforehand. In a shop it should have been. In a restaurant it is less clear, but you can always ask. I found with a sushi restaurant that is enough that isn't a problem or is cooked that you can normally get your fix - unless what you are really keen on is the sashimi.

CareerGirl01 Sun 17-Mar-13 15:53:29

I miss being able to eat and really enjoy my food. For things to taste good! Everything has a metallic or sugary aftertaste - and did during my first pregnancy too. I enjoy feeling hungry and then eating something that not only fills me up but makes my taste buds sing!

dizzy77 Sun 17-Mar-13 17:37:24

I'm dodging liver and seafood which is no massive hardship. I do find the rules hard to fathom and still enjoy runny eggs and rare steak. I'm with Zoe Williams that (I paraphrase) a lot of the "rules" are an invention of the patriarchy to keep women infantilised BUT last time I read one of these threads a poor lady came on who'd got toxoplasmosis from a rare steak and worried the heck out of me.

I am very pleased to have the excuse to not have to deal with the car litter. I'm happy with supermarket shrink wrapped charcuterie but won't have anything extra tasty hanging in a deli or (sob) raw cheese.

cupcake78 Sun 17-Mar-13 18:32:18

I miss proper goats cheese, Camembert and stinky blue cheeses. I've tried them cooked but its simply not the same.

I could do with some liver for iron replacement. It's much better absorbed than from veg etc.

I also miss tea! It doesn't taste the same as it used to.

Everything else I've eaten but only if I've prepared it, know where it comes from and made sure its been well within date.

I don't eat out alot and if I do I'm careful with what I order.

Salmonella doesn't bother me as much as listeria and toxoplasmosis. The last two can affect the baby, salmonella doesn't, it just makes you very ill.

Jenjen85 Sun 17-Mar-13 18:41:10

After reading this thread this morning I had 2 poached eggs on toast for my breakfast and it was heaven grin it's the only thing Iv really missed and been craving (24wks) does anyone know if roulade cheese is out of bounds when pregnant?

Creamtea1 Sun 17-Mar-13 18:50:24

I've eaten everything off this so called banned list, whenever I like just not in massive amounts. The only thing I haven't had is alcohol and that's because the thought of it makes me feel sick!
I had blue cheese yesterday and smoked salmon last weekend, eggs often, chorizo once a week in Spanish casserole type dish, basically taking no notice!

weeblueberry Sun 17-Mar-13 18:52:49

I think the only things from the list I've been properly avoiding are booze, Liver and pâté. Oh and soft rinded cheese.

The only one I'm actually missing though is pâté. DP makes an amazing liver abs onions which ill be having shortly after having the baby wink

PeachActiviaMinge Sun 17-Mar-13 18:59:28

A can of beer, I don't even like beer but I would murder someone for a can of it I'm 35 weeks and pretty sure its just a random craving because I'm not allowed it.

Otherwise I've only avoided pate and liver.

redandyellowandpinkandgreen Sun 17-Mar-13 19:04:07

I'm sticking to the NHS guidelines as I'm not a medical professional, neither do I have the time/inclination to do my own research to challenge what they say. So I'll stick with what the medical professionals tell me.

That said, I miss brie and pate the most.

FoofFighter Sun 17-Mar-13 19:05:42

[bang head on wall emote]

I do wish people would educate themselves about the real risks of food and not trot out stupid things like quiche and blue cheese isn't allowed fgs!!

soft blue cheese isnt recommended but hard blue cheese is ok. Quiche should be ok as it is cooked through. UK doesnt say to avoid chorizo or smoked fish either. Seaafood is also fine as long as it is cooked.

Beamae Sun 17-Mar-13 19:31:26

Where can we educate ourselves? All the official guidelines say blue cheese isn't safe!

from nhs:

Don't eat mould-ripened soft cheese such as brie, camembert and others with a similar rind. This includes mould-ripened soft cheese made with goats' milk. You should also avoid soft blue-veined cheeses such as Danish blue, gorgonzola and roquefort. These are made with mould and can contain listeria, a type of bacteria that can harm your unborn baby.

Although infection with listeria (listeriosis) is rare, it is important to take special precautions in pregnancy because even a mild form of the illness in a pregnant woman can lead to miscarriage, stillbirth or severe illness in a newborn baby.

You can eat hard cheeses such as cheddar, parmesan and stilton, even if they're made with unpasteurised milk. Hard cheeses don't contain as much water as soft cheeses so bacteria are less likely to grow in them. Many other types of cheese are OK to eat, but make sure they're made from pasteurised milk. These include cottage cheese, mozzarella, feta, cream cheese, paneer, ricotta, halloumi, goats' cheese and processed cheeses such as cheese spreads.

also see here

lurcherlover Sun 17-Mar-13 20:12:11

A few myths abounding on this thread...absolutely fine to eat smoked salmon. Runny eggs fine too. They are "reviewing" the guidance on rare steak at the mo, so I am choosing to follow the advice from my last pregnancy (2010, not a million years ago) which was that rare steak is fine as long as the outside is seared.

All sushi sold in this country must be previously frozen by law and is therefore safe to eat. Avoid swordfish and marlin altogether (for the mercury levels) and watch the tuna, but other than that you're fine.

You can eat any shellfish as long as it's cooked. In practice this means you can eat anything except oysters (when was the last time you ate a raw prawn?)

I have today eaten scallops and beef wellington made with rare beef. Yum yum yum. And I had half a glass of champagne too...I'm 35 weeks now and have been very good in terms of avoiding alcohol, so I treated myself today.

AmandaPayneNeedsaHoliday Sun 17-Mar-13 20:34:10

The sushi thing is a bit complex though as some restauranteurs claim freezing ruins the flavour and refuse to do it. So are flouting the law. Which apparently is reasonably often not well enforced. There was an article in the national press a while back but I can't find it now.

Quilty Sun 17-Mar-13 20:38:06

Pâté! Although I really don't see how a little bit every now and then would hurt.

AmandaPayneNeedsaHoliday Sun 17-Mar-13 20:41:54

It's not a quantity thing with pate - although that would apply on small amounts of liver. It the fact that the nature of the food makes it a risk food for food poisoning. so although you are reducing your risk simply by consuming less frequently, it's not like alcohol where a glass once in a blue moon won't hurt, or a big mug of strong coffee the day you really fancy it.

its not just food poisoning with pate as the vitamin A is a danger too.

AmandaPayneNeedsaHoliday Sun 17-Mar-13 20:47:12

Depends on the pate. I did say that portion size would apply to liver. No vitamin A problems in vegetable pate (which is explicitly included in most guidance).

lurcherlover Sun 17-Mar-13 20:58:22

I always wonder how much pâté you'd have to eat to OD on vitamin A...loads of it daily, surely?!

redandyellowandpinkandgreen Sun 17-Mar-13 21:34:10

The NHS website still says eggs should be cooked until the yolk and white is solid although all lot of people (on here) seem to disagree. I'm sticking with their guidelines, however small the risk, because I feel safer to do that and it's no hardship to do that.

midori1999 Sun 17-Mar-13 21:37:51

I'm not sure why the NHS site says eggs must be cooked through, as it is certainly true that UK hens are vaccinated against salmonella. I am a stickler for food guidelines in pregnancy, but do eat soft cooked lion stamped eggs an have been told this is safe by GP and midwife too.

lurcherlover Sun 17-Mar-13 21:43:18

You have to ask why the "risk" is there. Listeria could harm the baby, so it's a big (albeit unlikely to happen) risk. Salmonella isn't a risk to the baby, it would just make you feel lousy. Personally I'm happy to take the risk, so I eat runny eggs. And all hens in the uk are vaccinated anyway.

AmandaPayneNeedsaHoliday Sun 17-Mar-13 21:45:22

The thing is also the 'however small the risk' thing is a false comfort. Because there are lots of things you aren't warned to avoid where the risk is at least as great, but probably far greater, than a soft boiled egg.

legallyblond Sun 17-Mar-13 22:09:02

Exactly Amanda, like aspartame (in diet coke etc) - terrible at best of times, let alone when preg. NHS are scarily silent on it.

I think there is a lot of scaremongering about aspartame too

HopefullA Mon 18-Mar-13 07:24:22

I am a new mother and nervous with my hubbie being strict on me.

So i am off
Tea, coffee (dying for a cuppa), all alocohol, cheeses, pate, proceesed meats, salami,

Im having eggs in an omlette when its cooked.

Desperate for a rare steak but my hubbie now saying i need to eat more veggie. Boo Hoo.
Totally having a meaty sandwich for lunch

Hmm what else, im being very good and eating my weight in fruit and veggies...

purrpurr Mon 18-Mar-13 07:46:25

Hopeful, don't mean to speak out of turn but having the Food Gestapo as your husband gets old VERY fast. Mine was Told very early on that I was still a person, not just an incubator, and I was more than capable of following the guidelines myself. Plus, what are you going to do if you experience bad sickness and only feel like eating particular things? I ate lots of fruit and veg until one day I woke up and I couldn't face anything remotely fruit/veg related. I needed cheese sandwiches, in bulk.

Now 33+2, bump healthy, me healthy, marriage healthy.

Jojobump1986 Mon 18-Mar-13 08:26:19

Hopeful - make sure he knows how important it is for you to keep eating red meat. Wouldn't want you to become anaemic, would we?! wink Also, you can get both tea & coffee in decaff form so there's no reason you should have to give them up altogether! Cheeses are good too, except for soft cheese. Your baby needs calcium. Try not to stress about these things too much. It's good to be cautious & natural to be protective but countless babies were born without issue before anyone knew anything about the risks of certain foods. It's really not likely that you'll have any problems if you just stuck to a normal, balanced diet. smile

MyNameIsAnAnagram Mon 18-Mar-13 08:40:25

The fact is you are far more likely to get listeria from a bagged salad, but they're not "banned".

Hopeful if my dh tried to dictate my diet like that he would be getting a swift (and hard) kick up the arse!

badguider Mon 18-Mar-13 08:46:44

NHS guidelines say that up to 200mg of caffeine a day is safe. Tea has around 75mg per cup and coffee varies more but generally around 150mg.

I have found the NHS guidelines in Scotland (we get different books etc) to be pretty good on the whole. Except for the eggs thing. I am eating runny yolks frim lion stamped eggs but not out and about where the eggs might be imported or otherwise not lion stamped.
Also you should know that ALL cheese is ok if cooked and piping hot through. So if you really fancy blue or Brie have it deep fried.

My DD reacts to aspartame, gets a very itchy rash, turns into a small demon, and throws up repeatedly, so we don't have anything with aspartame in except DH's diet coke. (bleugh!)

I'm seeing my consultant/someone from consultants team today, so I will ask them about the runny lion stamped eggs. I like my dippy eggs with the yolk just starting to cook and the white completely done, so I might be having a very nice lunch tomorrow. Runny eggs has been the only thing on the list I've actually drolled over. I've missed goats cheese too, but I've been having it grilled with tomato on toast, which is almost as good. If I'm allowed stilton though, I'm going to buy some today and make soup.

Last pregnancy I craved steak and broccoli, and doughnuts and icecream. I never used to eat steak, doughnuts or icecream. Thankfully back to not liking doughnuts anymore, but the steak habit stayed. I've been very keen on it again this time round, and this time I want it rare, which used to put me right off. I've also been after fruit and salads. I hardly ever eat fruit, just lots of veg, but I've happily chomping my way through 4-5 pieces of fruit, on top of my usual 4-5 portions of veg. confused

As for caffiene, the guidlines are to have no more than 200mg a day, with a cup of tea being about 75mg. NHS link here I've been having a weak tea every morning, and I thoroughly look forward to it.

legallyblond could you expand a bit on the food suppliments thing please?

X-post with badguider about the caffiene.

AmandaPayneNeedsaHoliday Mon 18-Mar-13 09:27:53

Anagram - Yes, it was bagged salad I was specifically thinking of in my previous comment.

andadietcoke Mon 18-Mar-13 09:44:11

Hopeful my consultant told me last week to have red meat 2-3 times a week.

glossyflower Mon 18-Mar-13 17:42:42

Ok you ladies can all give me a telling off but if I want something I will have it.

After have very severe HG for 4 months and was literally starved for all that time, I now can manage to eat and haven't stopped eating anything.
I have however cut down my caffeine, but buy decaf, not really eating shellfish at the moment anyway because pregnancy has made me go off it. I have had a glass of wine, soft mouldy cheeses, runny eggs, peanut butter and medium steaks ( in moderation!)

peanut butter is also fine btw, no need to avoid unless you are allergic to peanuts

Well, I saw my obstetrics consultant, and I asked her about the runny eggs. As long as it's lion branded and the white is cooked, they're fine! So that's my lunch sorted for tomorrow. smile

Paradisefound Mon 18-Mar-13 18:15:48

Worrying about what you are eating will be worse for the baby, than eating the foods you are worrying about.

offonajolly Mon 18-Mar-13 19:55:33

HopefulA I am with you:

i am off pate, processed meats (salami, chorizo etc) seafood etc...

I think its up to everyone individually which guidelines they choose to follow - I personally am not missing any of the above enough to HAVE to eat it, fine without.

You just have to do what's right for you personally I guess.

processed meats and cooked seafood are not on the banned list though

Teaandflapjacks Mon 18-Mar-13 22:43:04

TBH - it is 9 months of your life, the most advice is fairly sensible. I think it is a bit rich to say people are trying 'to control' women. IMO they are trying to keep you and baby safe based on latest scientific research - and if they keep you and bump healthy and safe when pg what is that hard about avoiding alcohol, some cheeses, pate and raw meat? There are plenty of ways to get round them too - alcohol free beer, cooking cheese, cooking chorizo and hams like parma, cooking meat through but slicing really thinly or slow cooking. For me it was a year of trying and one early mc, so I will follow whatever I am told. I know loads and loads of people who don't follow all this and everything is totally fine, but there are also the unlucky few, so I just want to stack the decks in my favour.

DH has excitedly planned a sofa 'picnic' for me when the baby comes, with all the things I have been avoiding . Crusty baguette with fresh pate, really runny brie, pink steak, plates of parma ham, really decent red wine. I plan on expressing - so hopefully I can have a large glass half bottle with picnic and DH can do the feeding with bottle while I splurge. grin

HopefullA Tue 19-Mar-13 04:31:32

Thanks ladies. Its fine though i'm gagging for a cuppa tea. I did buy some decaf tea but haven't worked up to it yet, scared i wont like it so might just drink it when i'm desperate.

My hubbie and I are different religions and he has gone quite strict on the meat malarky but i said - ugh im irish, i need my red meat. its fine, i will have it soon when i need it. Dont want to exclude his ideas either as this was a surprise pregnancy and he is being quite excited about it so i want it to continue!!

I feel grand though, thank god. just exhausted non stop and terrible back ache- hoping it wont last forever...

HopefullA, is your DH sticking to this strict diet too? Surely he should be, to support you in this? grin

HopefullA Tue 19-Mar-13 08:29:35

hehehe not a chance - plus i gave up chocolate for new year and still havent broken it and he scoffing the chocolates in his mouth!

Though now im makign fresh fruit smoothies in the morn to have with my cereal so he is loving this new smoothies for his brekkie. I didnt feel like doing all the chopping this morn so just had cereal and he made such a face when i didnt bring him his smoothie!
Silly boys!

[[ http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4854-chocolate-in-pregnancy-keeps-baby-happy.html No need to give up chocolate!]] grin

oh damn, wrong way round, let's try that again

No need to give up chocolate.

cjbk1 Tue 19-Mar-13 09:20:13

I'm still on the decaf tea while BF'ing out of habit more than anything and I don't notice the difference, try it! only thing is; if I have a strong caffeinated cuppa while out and about it gives me a slight headache x

OohShinyChocolateHollowBunnies Tue 19-Mar-13 09:28:02

Deli meats were on the banned last a few months ago. I have denied myself a subway sandwich for 9 months to find the bloody nhs changed thir minds in January! angry

I'm overdue now and can't wait for my DH to bring me lashings of pâté on toast and I'm saving a footlong subway as a reward for giving birth!

badguider Tue 19-Mar-13 09:38:18

I prefer to think of it as not a "banned" list but a list of things to take extra care with.
The reasons are vitaminA (liver), listeria and salmonella... the advice is simplified to make it easy to understand but you should think carefully about it if you really want something or have time to research it.

As I said, the egg thing is the only one that really bugs me, other advice is just simplified - so for example the 'no pate of any sort at all' advice is because pate can carry bacteria but if like my MIL, you cook your own salmon and make it into pate fresh that morning it hasn't become any more likely to carry bacteria after it was smooshed up than it did before. Same for vege pate and any that doesn't contain liver, if it's fresh made it's not the same.

And oysters which are deep fried and hot are fine to eat as any potential bacteria will be killed, same with any kind of cheese.

HazleNutt Tue 19-Mar-13 09:49:47

Honestly, pretty much only things I don't eat are rare meat, liver and pate - but mostly because I don't eat meat in the first place. And I don't drink diet coke. Yes, listeriosis is serious, but you can get it from anything - last serious listeriosis outbreak was caused by melons, but we're not advised to stop eating fruit.

Flisspaps Tue 19-Mar-13 09:53:59

HopefullA With respect and regardless of who is what religion, it's not your husband's place to be 'strict' with you. You are an adult woman who is perfectly capable of deciding what you can and cannot eat.

HotSoupDumpling Tue 19-Mar-13 10:11:41

HopefullA - I started off like you, and indulged my DH's dictatorial tendencies! However, I've now seen the light and he now knows that I will take his preferences into consideration but ultimately it's my body and he can bugger off.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 19-Mar-13 10:25:04

I don't eat liver or shellfish or blue cheese. (Because i dont fancy eating them) Everything else that I fancy eating is still being consumed. I've decided after 20+ weeks of sickness that I'm not starving myself for a guideline.

vladthedisorganised Tue 19-Mar-13 10:38:21

So glad to hear about stilton - my GP said 'absolutely not' and I've really, really wanted it ever since.
Couldn't smell wine or coffee last time so didn't really miss either (I mean espresso rather than instant coffee) - unfortunately I can smell both this time in glorious technicolour and miss them so much.. due in October so it'll be ages.

Decaf tea is not really the same, but I've been quite good about cutting down on my beloved caffeine so far. Makes me a grouchy so and so though.

Teaandflapjacks Tue 19-Mar-13 11:37:51

I do tuck into my tea though - you can't get decaf tea here in germany, and it is totally fine to have two mugs a day of normal tea. I can't tell the difference with decaff coffee. I have half a cow's worth of milk in my tea so sometimes I have three on a weekend spaced throughout the day. If it is weak 'non-Builders' tea it is fine to have a few cups- if you sit thee knocking back a few strong expressos then you need to cut back - caffeine in sensible doses is fine OP - so sup away!!

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/limit-caffeine-during-pregnancy.aspx?CategoryID=54&SubCategoryID=130

p.s. I think it is good of your DH to take a real interest in the pg, and perhaps he is being a bit 'over caring' here? As the medical advice for caffeine and red meat is contrary I think to his view? Red meat (cooked) is really important. I have low iron (fairly common) taking the supplements but it is still low. Your blood increases by 1/3 - and your baby takes what iron it needs first, leaving you whacked if you are not careful. A nice juicy steak, if you can keep it down, is very, very good for you. grin

kd83 Tue 19-Mar-13 11:40:26

i'm with you on the runny eggs, by far the biggest thing I'm missing so far but only 10+3 so there's plenty of time for the rest to kick in too.

glossyflower Tue 19-Mar-13 13:06:33

Maybe people should back off criticising hopefuls husband! Their marriage is not the subject here but as far as I can see he's just a concerned husband who wants what he thinks best for his wife and baby.
My husband sometimes does the same, sometimes I humour him because I know he means well and wants to help sometimes I tell him where to go!
I realise we are in the 21st century and women should stand up for themselves but in a healthy marriage it's called team work and you respect your partners opinions not just pooh pooh them because its not something you want to do, and before you independent ladies jump on me I mean this to work both ways from the man and woman.
Mutual respect.

MyNameIsAnAnagram Tue 19-Mar-13 13:19:21

teaandflapjacks you know you can drink when bf, right?

Teaandflapjacks Tue 19-Mar-13 14:02:30

I know you can have a smidge - but it is very minimal really since the alcohol goes straight into the milk, which then goes straight into the baby, so if the body clear at 1-2 units per hour, and you have a small glass wine, then you should be ok to feed a few hours later. To be on the safe side I will just express then I know for sure it is ok, and can enjoy a large glass.

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/958.aspx?CategoryID=54#close

MyNameIsAnAnagram Tue 19-Mar-13 14:31:56

you can have a large glass, that will be fine, just don't get bladdered. From Kellymom: "Less than 2% of the alcohol consumed by the mother reaches her blood and milk. Alcohol peaks in mom’s blood and milk approximately 1/2-1 hour after drinking (but there is considerable variation from person to person, depending upon how much food was eaten in the same time period, mom’s body weight and percentage of body fat, etc.). Alcohol does not accumulate in breastmilk, but leaves the milk as it leaves the blood; so when your blood alcohol levels are back down, so are your milk alcohol levels."

Mandytm Tue 19-Mar-13 20:42:28

Why is no one drinking tea? You're allowed a couple of cups a day. I would hate to give up tea!

I'm vegetarian so am not missing much, just uncooked brie but there are other good cheeses to discover.

I enjoy tea, wine (in moderation), the odd small coffee, runny eggs and peanut butter. I never liked fizzy drinks and always avoid processed food so aspartame isn't missed at all.

My iron level on my last blood test was 13.6 so meat isn't essential for avoiding anaemia during pregnancy. I get most of my iron from peanut butter, tofu and lots of dark green veg.

Bodicea Tue 19-Mar-13 20:56:33

I refuse to give up all this stuff. I have been munching on feta and salami quite happily.
The only things I might avoid are alcohol, pate, and completely raw eggs (although I snuck a teeny tiny lick of my backing mixture on sunday).
Can you honestly imagine a French woman giving up her brie?

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 19-Mar-13 21:13:34

I only stopped drinking tea because it seemed to trigger off my morning sickness. I used to have maybe 5 cups a day but even though I can drink the caffiene again, I have lost the taste for it sad I really hope that comes back!

Teaandflapjacks Tue 19-Mar-13 22:23:17

@MyNameIsAnAnagram - thanks for that info!! smile

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