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I seem to have filled up the old thread and thought I better start a new one! grin Still got ages to go, don't leave me now...

Am currently sat waiting for my 16 week antenatal appt, been here an hour so far and just had BP done and that's it.

I was eating skittles last night throughout the two hourly feeds and still woke up hypo....

16 week appt went well, heard the heartbeat for the first time, so that was nice. A1c has come down to 6.8, still too high to my mind but the hospital seem happy with it. They're sending us for a fetal cardiac scan next month though, alongside the normal anomaly scan.

And I asked about delivery dates, the consultant reckons between 36-38 weeks, not later than 38 weeks though. Naturally, 36 weeks is exactly 1 day after DD's 6th birthday...will have to think about party plans!

Hopingforno2 Tue 18-Dec-12 14:19:34

Hi rue so glad ur appoinyment went well, its funny how much care varies depending where u r. I got my 20 week scan when babys heart was checked but no special scans esp for heart. Your hba1c is pretty good mines only came below 6% to 5.7 at around 20 weeks so u will get there smile

How far along is everyone else? I remeber puds you said around the same as me. Im 22 weeks 5 days

dieciocho Tue 18-Dec-12 16:30:52

Ah ha! I've found you grin.
Urgh, been at boring training day all day, but I teach my last class tomorrow and then I'm on Maternity leave until April. Yay!

Um, so length of time since diagnosis = 23 years this New Year's Eve. Spotty, were you diagnosed on NYE too?

Good news re: heart beat Rue. Always reassuring.

I had a borderline under-active thyroid while at university, but it seems ok now.

Hoping I'll be 34 weeks this Thursday.

diec yes I was grin well, sort of. That's when my mum tested my sugar level and it was 26 or something. Hospital didn't want me in that day, went in New Years Day confused I'm sure these days they would have you in ASAP?!

They don't always admit you at all these days spotty - there are some areas that do it all as an outpatient apparently! Can't imagine it though, I spent 2 weeks in hospital after I was diagnosed, including a morning when I had my injection as normal then wasn't allowed to eat until I'd had a hypo. I faked it grin and they never noticed, on account of not being able to do a blood test on the ward.

That does surprise me! Especially as I was only 12. I suppose they thought one more night wouldn't make any difference grin

Hopingforno2 Tue 18-Dec-12 19:46:29

I was never admitted either, in fact in took around 2 weeks from visiting gp to diagnosis sad i wasnt even worried at the time knowing what i do now im lucky i didnt end up dka!

Mylittlepuds Tue 18-Dec-12 19:46:58

Phew! I panicked then! I need my dibo support.

Yes Hoping I'm 21 weeks 5 days smile

Rue - have you found things harder with DCs in terms of being so on the ball with your blood sugars? I find having a toddler v hard as you want to make something healthy, carb count properly and then test and correct if needed 90 mins after. I find though I have to shove a crisp sandwich down my throat, inject a guesstimate and cross my fingers! My nurse would be thrilled with your HBA1c - mine was 7.5 at conception and she wasn't flustered. Came down to 6.5 and then 5.8 at 20 week scan, so I reckon your next one will drop again. I really don't think I'll be repeating in the 5s again though as from 20 weeks things have gone a bit, erm, wrong!

Oh Spotty - night feeds: arggghhhhhhhh! You BFing? Or has it not been poss cos of SCBU?

Mylittlepuds Tue 18-Dec-12 19:48:52

Hoping me too - GP diagnosed me with type two and told me to steer clear of grapes! I think I was very close to DKA as was very, very poorly by the time I was diagnosed properly.

StoneBaby Tue 18-Dec-12 20:07:24

Oh I've had my LO nearly 3 years ago, but a Type 1 diabetes thread wuold have been so good. I'm now trying for n2 so fx I'll be joining you ladies soon smile.

During my 1st pregnancy, I was seeing the diabetes doctor every 2 weeks. i did one hypoglycemic coma at 18 weeks while at work and ending up in hospital (the ambulance was too concern to let me stay I work when I regained consciousness). DS was born at 38 weeks by induction.

Good luck ladies, it is hard but worth it at the end.

Puds I am bf. he wakes every two hours at night sad

Mylittlepuds Tue 18-Dec-12 21:16:46

Oh God Spotty. I don't think I can do it again! Not with a toddler to run around after the day after. Shit!! Have you had many hypos?

Hopingforno2 Tue 18-Dec-12 21:43:32

Puds hi glad u found thread smile oh we will be having babies very close, how old is your other lo? Mines is 4 so not been too bad still not sure how i will cope with a newborn as well tho lol i was wondering about breastfeeding i tried hard with ds but my milk took too long to come in.

Hi stonebaby the ladies on here are great support smile how old is ur lo?

Hopingforno2 Tue 18-Dec-12 21:44:20

Spotty did ur milk come in quickly?

I've had a few bit I haven't been concentrating at all. I think I should start now things have settled down a bit! It is tiring but doesn't seem as bad as first time round grin

It was day 3/4 so pretty normal (I was induced and had ds at 35+4)

Mylittlepuds Tue 18-Dec-12 21:52:48

Hoping my DC1 is 19 months and this DC was a happy 'surprise'! I'm really worrying about coping with two as have suffered with bad anxiety since DC1 was born - I think brought on by my diabetes diagnosis and then the stress of a diabetic pregnancy!

Spotty I'm glad to hear it! I kept going for ten months with DS but this time I'll be really happy to get to 6. If it goes well then great but it's the tiredness and the not being able to leave the baby's side that I found hard. Also it 'all being on you'. Perhaps I'll try combination feeding this time as was quite militant and hard on myself last time - oh yes and DS wouldn't take a bottle until he was nine months! Don't worr about not concentrating on the diabetes - give yourself a bit of a break. I intend to be very very kind to myself re. levels once the baby is here (God willing)

Hopingforno2 Tue 18-Dec-12 21:53:26

Hopefully it will come in quicker this time then it was like a week after ds was born and by then id caved and started bottle, if u dont mind answeing this and u dont have to what was the reason for induction at 35+4? I havent read back all the pages on prev thread.

Mylittlepuds Tue 18-Dec-12 21:55:38

Wow a week Hoping! I'd have definitely caved if it mine had took that long. I remember freakng out when my did on day three - I looked like Pammy A and my boobs were like rocks!

Hopingforno2 Tue 18-Dec-12 21:57:40

Puds im sure ul be fine, im still anxious this time round though more to do with intermittent blood streaking that i still get sad also im rh- so each time its a trip to triage blood tests and ant d inj though it may be coming from a cervical errosion my hospital is very careful which im grateful for

Yes, it's a nightmare trying to test at the "right" times for filling in my diary. And I've been <ahem> slightly flexible about it to be honest. Crisp sandwich sounds lovely though grin

I had a lovely hypo half way through cooking dinner for us all tonight, whoops 45 minute delay while I ate part of a tin of condensed milk (!) - only thing I could find quickly in the kitchen at the time. Apparently the cupboard that contains my jelly baby supply wasn't worth noticing...

And I've had a phone call this evening to say that my new pump has arrived and is waiting for me to collect it at the diabetes centre grin current pump is on borrowed time, it's been out of warranty since October ish but the finance people at the hospital have apparently been sitting on purchase orders etc etc so it's been a slooooow process. It would (if I had one) connect to a CGM, sadly no dice on funding one of those!

newbie6 Tue 18-Dec-12 23:34:07

Hi all,

I'm 35 weeks today and been told i need to start expressing this week? have not attempted to as yet as no signs of anything and am seeing MW tomorrow but has anyone else been told to do this? have been told they will examine me on 3rd jan and tell me if i'll be induced or c section on the 10th jan.....yikes!

All a bit scary now!


Yes was told to do this with DS but he arrived at 31 weeks so I never actually did it! You're after colostrum which is the thick yellowy stuff like runny honey, there won't be much but it all helps. Try having a good squeeze, you might be surprised smile

No Hoping I don't mind. My insulin requirements started to rapidly drop which is apparently a sign of a failing placenta also I was apparently nearing full blown pre eclampsia. I had the same problems with dd. I expressed exclusively for the first week and a half until I could start feeding ds.

Newbie you need some 1ml syringes from your hospital if you want to express colostrum smile I intended to but didn't get a chance so ds had formula to start with

Hopingforno2 Wed 19-Dec-12 11:52:40

Spotty poor you having to go through that but at least u and baby are fine, im guessing the placenta is part of the reason that im to get scans after 26 weeks.

I think i may be an elective section this time as i heard them talking about me( im strep b positive too) tho they havent discussed this with me yet bit early for that right enough. I must be a nightmare for them type 1 diabetic, rh neg, strep b positive, and intermittent blood streaks sad

BonaDea Wed 19-Dec-12 12:10:20

Oooooh - a shiny new thread!! grin

I was at clinic yesterday too. 2.5 hours I waited in total. Is that not appalling? The trouble is it is a Tuesday clinic, and so next Tuesday is Christmas and the following one New Year's Day, so I guess they were trying to fit a LOT of people in! Still enormously frustrating when in total I was seen for about 15 minutes total by the 3 people I had to see!

HbA1c has come down to 5.2% which is the lowest I've ever ever been. I was a bit surprised as the week or so before my bloods had been a disaster, but I guess it is a 12 week test, so overall feeling pleased that all the bloody hard work is paying off.

Have to say I feel like I don't get much 'regular' MW time. It is mainly consultant based and so far I'm not discussing much about the birth, or BF or anything like that. Do you think that is quite standard at this point? I'm 25 weeks today. Growth scans starting every two weeks from my next appointment - that's nice, something to look forward to every time I go!

Rue - glad your 16 week appt went well. Also glad that they are sending you to the fetal echo cardiogram. Mine was fine (ok, I admit, it was slightly boring because once you've seen a valve, you've seen a valve) and very reassuring! After that day I felt "ah, I haven't totally cocked this baby up and neither has my diabetes!" Are you feeling movement yet?

dieciocho Wed 19-Dec-12 12:38:33

Bona, yes, my care's been the same - very diabetes-focussed for about 30 weeks. Suddenly now it's all about the birth (34 weeks tomorrow).

Saw the same dr. who accused me of having erratic control two appointments ago - today he said things looked pretty good. They're the bloody same! Silly man.
Apart from a 1.9 at 2am this morning...

Still breech though sad.

BonaDea Wed 19-Dec-12 13:10:15

diec - I really feel for you. These flippant comments they make - they have no idea how bloody hard it is. Even if your control WAS erratic, which I'm sure it isn't, what exactly does he expect to achieve by telling you that?!

Glad that eventually it turns more into birth and away from diabetes. Although given two tales of 31 week babies I just hope they don't leave it too late!!!

Bummer about being breech - have they said what the chances are that baby will move?

Bona no movement to report yet, but a history of anterior placenta so I'm not surprised really.

Hoping you are me and I claim my £5! grin. I'm group b strep positive too, and rh neg...

dieciocho Wed 19-Dec-12 15:00:04

Bona, saw two drs. (1st one sent me to be monitored as I casually mentioned I hadn't been woken by the customary 6am kicking today) and neither dr. seemed concerned re: breech. I'm having acupuncture next week with DP's dad, which both drs. are supportive of.
They told me I could have an ECV, which I'm happy to try.
They both said vaginal delivery is possible, but dangerous.
And unfortunately both said C-S was the most likely outcome. I'm NOT keen on that, and I think think you said the same on the old thread...

Hopingforno2 Wed 19-Dec-12 15:32:00

Bona my clinic is a mon but im not due back unless i have problems till 31st but i imangine thats going to be a busy one! I find with mine the earlier ur appt the less time u wait but its a bit like a conveyor belt 4 ppl at a time in a 4 bed room, each has a mw but not always the same 1 who takes bp checks urine has a feel and listens to babys hb then a dsn and/or doctor then consultant. I do feel like the care is more diabetes focused than anything but i guess it has to be. How often do they check ur hba1c? Mines is done every 4 weeks. U me and puds r within a month of each other smile they let me try a normal delivery last time, i got to 10cm pushed for an hour n ended up with an emcs so not keen on a cs but if consultant thinks its best il go with it.

Rue we r very similar, its a pain being rh neg, ive had blood streaks from time to time since around 7 weeks and had my 1st anti d at 14 weeks also had a big scare but thats a looong story now each time it happens i check baby with doppler but have to go to triage for blood test and more anti d. I have been told i have an anterior placenta this time round too lol even now i feel baby but sometimes very quiet for a while tho told its normal as when baby is behind placenta i wont feel much.
Im having a bit of an erratic day so spiked just before lunch then hit the floor hmm

Mylittlepuds Wed 19-Dec-12 17:47:19

Oh God - I've had a bloody awful day and need cheering up! I work on a Wed from 8.30am. Anyway it's an hour's drive away and there's always traffic so rather than run the risk of breakfast and going hypo in the car on the way to work I take a rising blood sugar on the chin and then have a low carb brekkie when I get into work.

Anyhow today I got in and I'd been sitting at 11 for about an hour which is weirdly what happens to me if I don't have breakfast (not toooooooo bad considering) and I had a cooked breakfast at my desk. Then despite having what I thought would be enough to cover NO CARBS I was still high two hours later...so three hours spent at around 11. And then the thirst hit...

Oh God I really panicked. I was thirsty like before I was diagnosed. I was drinking litres and it just wasn't quenching. So in a rising panic I ran to three different Boots trying to find ketone sticks as left my machine at home. None of them stocked them.

Sooo...went back into to work feeling quite frankly weird and very panicked at the unrelenting thirst. Ended up breaking down in front of several collegues and boss...had to get MY MUM to come and get me. So embarrassing.

Had a sandwich, levels still high but thirst eventually stopped and by the time I got home trace Ketones. But a disaster of a day all the same. And my anxiety has been simply awful as a result...

Just needed some friendly diabetic ears smile

BonaDea Wed 19-Dec-12 18:46:14

puds - what a horrible day! They happen from time to time TO ALL OF US. You just have to chalk it up to a bad day, do NOT beat yourself up, know that nothing bad will happen to your baby in one day and then start again tomorrow. I always inject for breakfast, even if zero carbs - it is just a weird time of day. And I'm sure I read somewhere anyway that a protein based meal does require some insulin for most people (can't remember why).

RIGHT LADIES. We now have ANOTHER anterior placenta person. Surely surely surely this is more than just coincidence? All diabetic, all anterior placentas? I'm thinking of writing to the Lancet!

diec - hope hope hope that baby moves. Are you bouncing on a ball? There are some yoga moves which are supposed to get baby moving. Should I just shut up now and stop making pointless suggestions? wink Also, although I am a super-sceptic about most things non-conventional, I had a great accupuncture experience last year, when pills, traditional physio and sports massage had failed. Non pg related obviously, but I think you're right to give it a go. Also potentially reflexology? I'm definitely with you in not wanting a cs (but so many people have said to me recently how a) it is actually very 'easy' on the mother and b) they had no probs with establishing BF, so am at least getting to the point where I accept it's not the end of the world!).

Hopingforno2 Wed 19-Dec-12 20:00:14

Puds poor thing u! If it helps not having the best day either was 5.8 at breakfast had myb a lil more ceral than normal took the same insulin as had been hitting lows but no hit 11.2 by 12pm what?! Luckily no ketones but felt crap i knew lunch would be late so took a correction and hit 2.1 by lunch sad thats why i like my glucomen meter it does both glu and kets obv diff strips but u can carry both in pouch. Does anyone else use these kind of meters? I find that i cant skip meals either my bg still rises if i do even if ive eaten nothing very strange!

Bona im not sure obv but think myb my placenta location is due to prev section tho its does seem a very big coincedence!

StoneBaby Wed 19-Dec-12 20:52:48

puds don't beat yourself please. I too had high morning while pg and my DS is a very heathly evil lovely monster grin We all have those panic attacks thinking that because of our diabetes the baby will have a problem. Just relax (I know, easier said than done).

Bona no anterior placenta here.

I was diagnosed at 9yo so I've type 1 for 24 years. I did go to hospital for a week to start up the treatment tho.

newbie6 Wed 19-Dec-12 23:03:17

Hi hopingforno2, I have the glucomen meter too and really like it. Like you, I only test for ketones if I feel unwell or have highs for long periods but so far so good, no bad results so far but I like it for the reassurance that you can test for both.

How many weeks are you as my sugars and insulin requirements changed quite a bit from about 16 weeks, I needed a lot more novo rapid compared to the first 16 weeks where if anything I found my sugars and insulin doses stayed pretty low. I'm now 35 weeks and finding my sugars seem more normal again in terms of how they react to food and insulin I've taken?

You sound like you are doing well, it's so hard though sometimes isn't it when ur pregnant body affects ur diabetic control so strangely sometimes!


Right I've just programmed in a temporary basal rate 80% of my normal one, I've had a day of utter bastard hypos and that tin of condensed milk I started yesterday evening is now empty shock

Fingers crossed it works...

dieciocho Thu 20-Dec-12 07:33:20

newbie as I'm only 1 week behind you, I'm curious about your ratios/reactions returning to normal. When did that happen?

In other news, Maternity Leave starts today!!!!! My lovely students (adults) in my last class yesterday gave me a baby monitor as my leaving present. How generous of them!

Hopingforno2 Thu 20-Dec-12 11:45:34

Hi newbie I'm 23 weeks today, after 20 weeks my insulin did go up but after being told I have some small diabetic changes to my eyes I got scared n cut down a lot on having sweet things so thinking that's why I've had to take my doses back down. My hba1c last time was 5.7% tho so now not sure if my diet was harming my eyes or not and I really miss choc sad

The meter is great I've had 0.1 - 0.2 from time to time but managed to rid myself with a correction and pint of water. Aw you haven't got long to go!!

Rue I feel for you, I had 2 lows yesterday 1 was probs my own fault for overreacting to a spike the other was 3am so sick of jelly babies!!

Mylittlepuds Thu 20-Dec-12 12:07:57

Thanks for being lovely everyone :-)

I'm off work today as so, so exhausted. It's bizarre. Don't know if it's the after effects of yesterday or not. Physically I've felt fantastic up until now and then wham! My mum has DS until 1pm and so I'm in bed! Anyone else start getting tired at that point?

Ooh Bona what did you have accu for?

BonaDea Thu 20-Dec-12 12:51:57

Hi puds - had accu for a painful shoulder which just would not shift... It was really effective where nothing else worked!

Mylittlepuds Thu 20-Dec-12 13:05:51

I had a session for my anxiety and loved it but then couldn't afford it as was on mat leave. Would love to give it another go. I used to ge very skeptical but a few things have changed my mind.

dieciocho Thu 20-Dec-12 14:13:42

Yes, I'd never be able to afford it normally, but luckily DP's dad treats us both for free - and always jumps at the chance!

GilbyChunks Thu 20-Dec-12 21:53:09

Hello all. Very late joining this thread (28+5) but very pleased to have found you all! I feel like the only pregnant type 1 in the world sometimes (mw said she'd only met one other in last 5 years).

I take it there was another thread, which I won't read, but I hope you're all ok. This is my 2nd DC and I'm finding it much harder this time round (DH also keeps saying I seem to be up and down a lot more, thanks dear). Had a pretty good 1st half of day but then had about 3 mouthfuls of DD's pasta (was 5.4 and had 1.5u of humalog). 1 hour later I was 11.1, 2 more units and I'm now 12.4 - arghhhhhh! I really want something to eat but every time I open the fridge carbs keep shouting at me, no cheese left either.

Did anyone else's insulin requirements go up dramatically around now? They did at around 20 weeks but have only crept up slightly since then. Will no doubt have a massive low later!

Mylittlepuds Thu 20-Dec-12 22:05:58

Hello Gilby! Lovely that you've joined us!

I'm 22 weeks and on DC2. I'm finding control much harder this time too - perhaps due to running around after DS1 and perhaps also due to my pancreas now being completely dead! I thin first time round I was a lot more trigger happy with the insulin but this time I'm really frightened of going too low as need to consider DS. How old is your DD? DS is 19 months.

Boy did my requirements jump at 20 weeks - I'm still playing catch up. I seem t have a few nightmare days every time my ratios change trying to get a handle on things. Then things settle down nicely - and I goes wrong...again! Never get too comfortable as a pregnant diabetic! I'll 'look foward' to seeing if mine go up again at 28 weeks smile

I had a bit of a tantrum at DH the other day saying I need lots of meats, nuts and cheeses etc in the fridge as it's just awful when you're so hungry but don't fancy injecting again. Make sure he gets you stocked up!

newbie6 Thu 20-Dec-12 22:13:20


From about 32 weeks I've found that I'm not as insulin resistant? I'm on novo rapid and lantus so tend to be back to 6 to 8 units pre breakfast, BS tends to be 5 pre breakfast and that dosage covers me for toast, tend to be about 5 after brekkie and still at that level pre lunch. I take anything from 10 to 14 pre lunch depending what I'm having but typically need this for a sandwich and a choccie biscuit and/or yoghurt or piece of fruit. I test about 60 to 90 mins after eating and I'm usually around 6. For tea, I take about 16 to 20 dep on what I'm eating but typically I eat meat with potatoes and veg or pizza or quiche and veg etc plus yoghurt and fruit. Pre pregnancy my doses were normally 4 pre brekkie or nothing as I am bad and don't tend to eat brekkie but since being pregnant esp now in later stages I'm hungry, 8 units for lunch and 10 to 12 for tea so I'm still on a higher dose for those meals. I test my sugars after tea and am usually between 4 and 5 so take a packet of crisps or a satsuma, I take 22 units of lantus which is lower than it was pre pregnancy bizarrely when I was on 26. I test during the night about 2 and 4am and they are usually 3 to 5.

As I said, I definitely felt my insulin prior to 32 weeks needed more adjusting as my sugars weren't always so predictable so not sure if its just stages of pregnancy but cos I'm always testing, I managed to correct if needed.

Hope that helps! I guess we are all individual which is why it is so frustrating but I think we're all trying our best.


Hopingforno2 Thu 20-Dec-12 22:32:49

Hi gilby

Im 23 weeks with 2nd dc, my ds 4.5 im finding it pretty hard too right now eg yesterday and today i had the same breakfast but spiked yesterday before lunch at 11.2 today fell to 3.0 at same time on same dose?! Also tested at 9pm tonight was 5.1 one hour later 6.6 hmm ivr eaten not a thing in that time.

Gilby and puds im finding this time around harder too and im def more up n down finding i need to set an alarm to fo bg at 3am sometimes i need a cpl units of rapid others a small biscuit to see me thro to 8am im beggining to wonder if baby has growth spurts that affect our bg?

Puds u feeling better day?

Hopingforno2 Thu 20-Dec-12 22:34:34

Newbie u seem very sorted!! I hope i can get to that stage too.

newbie6 Thu 20-Dec-12 23:47:46

Hopingforno2, I promise it's not been easy at all and that's why I test every 2 hrs as like others have said in my 2nd trimester especially my sugars would be weird for no reason whatsoever so I totally sympathise with everyone who is struggling as I did too. The only solution for me was testing lots. I'm sick of it to be honest but feel its the only way I can feel 100% that I'm doing my best. Cannot wait to hopefully have my baby safe and healthy and swear to god, I think I will prob not test for a few days just to be rebellious!


Hi Gilby, glad you found us. I'm 16 weeks with number 3 - have a 5yo DD and a 2yo DS already. In both PGs previously I had severe hypos, inc paramedics and the lot. Fortunately I seem to have avoided that this time round (it all eased off at 16 weeks last time, so hoping the same would be true again!). I have had some evil hypos though, so I don't know if I'm just better at picking up on them, testing and catching more, or what. My fingers are nearly at the point where if you squeeze them, I start bleeding from various holes... grin

I also use a pump so am quite happy giving small regular "injections" to cover carbs, as I don't actually need to inject IYSWIM.

Hoping my fetal medicine consultant told me that baby growth spurts totally affect blood sugars, and just to try and take it in stride. He made total sense at the time! (Wasn't my consultant for diabetes reasons, more for DS being a triplet reasons, but he did seem to know more than my regular consultant!) Also don't forget that insulin is a hormone and other hormones - of which we have quite a few knocking about in PG! - can affect how it works. As if we needed other fun stuff to deal with...

dieciocho Fri 21-Dec-12 07:51:48

Thanks for the details newbie. I've not noticed any change as yet (34-weeks yesterday), but I'm hoping I do! I feel so guilty with these ginormous 20u injections, even if that's only to cover some oatcakes/toast.

GilbyChunks Fri 21-Dec-12 08:05:26

Hi puds and hoping, DD is 2.6. I often make the mistake of forgetting to have a snack and going low or 'helping' DD with her snacks and not taking any insulin. I'm not back at work now until 7th Jan so just really need to focus on my readings (as well as DD and Christmas of course).

Hi newbie. I did wonder if yesterday's highs were down to a growth spurt ( or some random, unexplained event) as I did have a bit of tummy ache and bump felt very tight. Seems ok again this morn so we'll see what happens today.

The correction doses I took last night seemed to take a lot longer to work than usual. Tested at 12.30am and was 6.5 so had a few oatcakes and woke this morning with a 3.3 (no great shock really).

Thanks everyone x

Mylittlepuds Fri 21-Dec-12 08:27:03

It's loads of fun isn't it?! Settle down for bed and them it's a series of bloody beeps through the night.

I'm no consultant but I certainly think growth sprurts affect things as seem to have unexplained random lows at times - and yep for hormones too as some days I'm running high all day no matter what measures I take! I like the days where I think "God I haven't been stressed to death today with highs or lows - or both!".

Remember to bear sleep in mind. If you have a bad night it really is shown to make you run higher than usual.

dieciocho Fri 21-Dec-12 09:03:08

Yes, Puds, that's right; losing out on sleep apparently raises your blood sugar.

GilbyChunks Fri 21-Dec-12 09:05:50

Rue you are my hero, DC3? This time round I've said no more, but then I said that last time smile. My fingers are so sore and I often forget to change the lancet so that probably doesn't help.

DD is going through a very clingy faze and keeps having horrible night terrors (that's a whole other thread). So we are having quite a few broken sleep nights. Even if if DH gets up I'm still wide awake as cant sleep through a hysterical child screaming. Think she's preparing us for life with a newborn, although at least I can feed the new one back to sleep.

Had 28w scan on Monday, baby's tummy is 75% but they didn't seem too concerned and would check again at 32w. DD was always bang on 50 but put on weight towards the end, maybe due to the fact that I had to be signed off from work at 32w with bleeding from low placenta and wasn't allowed to move!

I always handover my readings to the diabetes team with a look of dread on my face, but they always say I'm doing well. I leave thinking did they actually just look at my book?!

Hopingforno2 Fri 21-Dec-12 09:44:24

Morning everyone how are we all?

Rue im sure the baby is right now having itself a growth spurt or something smile but i feel like i get sorted more or less for a day or so then its all over place again even tho hba1c is good.

Honestly i can have my dinner at 6-7pm have a nice bg around 9pm then from 10 onwards it steadily rises?! I have been taking a cpl units before i go to sleep if above 7 that seems to work for at least some nights.

Puds im the same but have to set an alarm for 3am to test sad

Gilby thats how i feel when they r looking at mine like im hoping to pass an exam i didnt sign up for lol

Diec i try to make myself feel better by thinking a non diabetic persons pancreas would be producing whatever insulin they needed to cover what they eat whos to say its not alot

dieciocho Fri 21-Dec-12 11:32:40

That's true hoping, I hadn't thought of it like that. smile
So, when DP has a massive curry, with rice, naan and onion bhajis...that's his pancreas releasing 20u.

BonaDea Fri 21-Dec-12 11:57:04

gilby - welcome to our little gang which, all things considered, is very cheery grin

75% sounds great. Don't forget that is still well within normal ranges!

As for what they say about your book, both the nurses and the consultant have told me (especially in weeks when I think I've been dreadful) that compared to many people they see my readings are great. I think a lot of people - perhaps including those with gestational diabetes who are completely new to the whole thing - probably have much worse readings compared to pretty conscientious people like us. The very fact that you are thinking / worrying / posting about it on the internet probably means that your level of dedication to good readings is on the high side!

Mylittlepuds Fri 21-Dec-12 12:07:06

Agree with Bona there - my nurse tells me her tales of women who really don't care or, more likely and sadly, are not informed enough to know to care. One had a hba1c of 13% but she wasn't sure if the pregnancy could/or would continue. She thinks I'm a breath of fresh air which is nice smile. Another had ridiculously, constantly high readings for two weeks and didn't think to do anything. Eventually phoned the nurse. Baby was fine but had massive growth spurt!

I was in the waiting room for a clinic a few weeks back and a fellow diabetic (not sure if T1,T2 or gestational - but doesn't matter when it comes to pregnancy) casually turned to her partner whilst scoffing Quavers and said 'Eee I hope this diabetes hasn't affected the baby'. Like as if it had only just occurred to her! Not that it was her all day, every day concern to control it. I had to say I felt a bit envious at her laid back attitude.

BonaDea Fri 21-Dec-12 13:41:46

puds - you won't be jealous of that woman's attitude when she is blind from retinopathy and having her foot amputated because of neuropathy at the age of 50!!

Hopingforno2 Fri 21-Dec-12 16:06:23

Diec its how i justify having a takeaway or going somewhere nice out for dinner where i need much bigger doses, u get people that go hypo without being diabetic so their body has the opposite prob and they have to eat every couple hours. We have to do the job of our pancreas a 'normal' persons must release different doses surely or they would have high bg/go hypo.

Bona i agree we r trying our best what else can we do smile

Puds surely to have such a lax attitude it was her 1st visit or at very least 1st baby, i wasnt as stressed(was still careful) with 1st due to being less aware of complications. Tho i have to admit outside of pregnancy i have went through periods of time where i was in denial hardly tested and took the same doses all the time. Now id really like to go on a dafne course and worry about everything!!

Mylittlepuds Fri 21-Dec-12 17:53:13

She was a very, erm, large lady...

Hopingforno2 Fri 21-Dec-12 18:45:03

So prob a gestational or type 2 im sure if ur new to it a lax attitude is more likely tho i have spoken to a cpl type 2 in work who dont seem to worry. Im not sure obv but shouldnt they be just as careful more infact as if not on insulin how do u correct a high?! That said i asked how often do u test and it wasnt always even once a day shock

Mylittlepuds Fri 21-Dec-12 18:55:36

They have to go on insulin when pregnant so I'd imagine it would actually be bloody harder as getting to grips with insulin as well must be a nightmare!!! There was a last on here who was type 2 but not sure if she still follows the thread. Anyhow I know that as insulin resistance is common amongst type 2s often they have to inject a hell of a lot more insulin. My nurse told me that one patient had to inject VIALS at a time. So I'm thinking over 100u? Crazy. Just crazy!

Hopingforno2 Fri 21-Dec-12 19:28:26

That is crazy im in no way saying that all type 2s are lax just the cpl ive met i was shocked how little they tested. How r u today puds?

Im having one of those days i tested at 4.30 was 4.1 now just before dinner 6 with no food as its more than 4 hours since last meal im thinking i need to up my morning levemir? What do u think ppl?

Mylittlepuds Fri 21-Dec-12 20:34:38

I'm good today!! Thans for asking Hoping. And so I've just scoffed a load of Lindt - oops!!! Will regret it later but what the heck, I've had a good run smile

Ooh I don't know re. upping your dose Hoping - I'd be pretty happy with a 6 before dinner. It could be your liver has kicked out a bit of glucose to keep you going?

If I was T2 and on tablets I don't think I'd test - ahh how lovely it'd be! I think when I'm not preggers I test more to catch lows than highs. I think we should all have a pig out party when the babies are all here!

Hopingforno2 Fri 21-Dec-12 21:27:15

Yeah im working sat-mon so def wont be changing it then as il be more active, yeah myb il wait till im back was just thinking about it as had a 10.4 3 hours after breakfast, it started rising tho not greatly before bed it steadily goes up too oh well just over a week till next clinic and il say to them see what they think just paranoid about going high sad tho not keen on the lows either obv lol

Def at least 1 pig out tho i was thinking i may allow myself more nice foods on xmas days with bigger doses of insulin may get my butt kicked for that this time round tho with ds they told me for one day to just enjoy myself

Hoping quite often type 2s aren't even prescribed test strips, they're not allowed to test because "it'll make you paranoid" and they just have to go with a quarterly hba1c. I can't think of anything worse - imagine not knowing what foods did what to your blood sugars and not being able to adjust what you eat etc to manage it all. Also some even on metformin or insulin are sometimes not allowed test strips, even though you have to test before driving if you take anything that can cause hypos. I'm so glad I don't have problems with test strip quantities etc from my surgery.

Hopingforno2 Fri 21-Dec-12 23:20:48

Thats awful but as far as i know they r allowed them up here, at least they have a meter but yes i think it must be down played alot tho id have thought their health is in danger too so it seems a bit silly to do that just storing probkems for the future and isnt dka just as much a possibility? But then i think im just a natural worrier and would have questions about anything im told healthwise i think i drive my mw and consultant mad lol

dieciocho Sat 22-Dec-12 07:38:57

Good morning everyone,
I'm just posting quickly to say that I hope you all enjoy the coming week as much as possible - however you celebrate.
I'm heading off with DP for a week to visit family, so won't be posting. I didn't want anyone to worry wink.

Hopingforno2 Sat 22-Dec-12 08:19:29

Have a lovely xmas diec x

GilbyChunks Sat 22-Dec-12 09:08:52

Happy Christmas diec! X

Mylittlepuds Sat 22-Dec-12 09:52:55

Merry Christmas Diec!!!

A few pharmacists have tried to raise eyebrows at my test strip consumption and they've hard a very short shrift from me.

P.S Lindt scoffing sessions are NOT a good idea for pregnant diabetics!!!

Hopingforno2 Sat 22-Dec-12 14:25:28

lol on no puds dont say that i plan on having some on xmas day its one of my favourites smile i cant wait to have a pudding lol not gonna be happy with me on 31st out for dinner on xmas eve too hmm

Mylittlepuds Sat 22-Dec-12 19:05:44

Oh ladies. I've had a disaster today and feel really depressed as it seems in my head at least to happen about once a week. For some weird reason I managed to totally miscalculate lunch and ended up at 15 for an hour or so and three hours after have come back into range. Is it just me who stuffs up so spectacularly? Every one on here seems to avoid big cock ups like this and it really leaves me panicking.

The last three weeks have been really quite bad. At my 20 week scan all
Measurements were fine, hba1c 5.8, but I just know in my heart (and from my meter!) that I've had frequent cock ups for the last three weeks. I suppose what i'm really nervous about is going for our 26 week scan and the baby's growth having spiralled out of control. Looking at my CGM I'd estimate my HBA1c for the last three weeks is around 7 :-(

newbie6 Sat 22-Dec-12 20:11:33

Mylittlepuds, please don't be so hard on yourself as I was the same as you at your stage, my hba1c went up in 2nd trimester then came back down again but even if yours has gone up, you are still doing really well. Everyone has highs and I honestly don't think they will cause your baby any harm as you are checking and not letting your sugars stay at 15 for days, only a few hours and even then you are correcting so please try not to worry, I know that's easier said than done but you're doing great.


GilbyChunks Sat 22-Dec-12 20:12:39

puds you are definitely not the only one! I woke up this morning extremely low, didn't even test, just remember DH forcing lucozade down my throat. I was out of it and confused for quite a while and when I did eventually test I was just 4, but this was about 10 mins after the lucozade. Cut to 6 hours later, an hour or so after lunch and I was 14 as I also miscalculated (had a nandos so guess work).

I guess this is why we are constantly testing so we can correct as quickly as possible. I know it's hard but try not to worry, I often look at my average readings on my monitor and find it is completely different to my hba1c. How are your night time readings? A few weeks of the odd up and down reading will probably have no effect on the growth (it's just 3 weeks out of 38ish).


Hopingforno2 Sat 22-Dec-12 20:14:45

Puds it happens to the best of us (not that im anywhere near the best lol) a month or so back and right at the start ive had nights where ive had to be up during the night as i was sitting at 12.4 took 2 units 30 mins later rose to 13 took another 2u an hour later still only down to 12 i was like wtf!! Eventually i came down then obv crashed mid morning but my god what a night anf ive had a cpl of those. Only this week i spiked at 11.4 around 12pm corrected as i knew lunch would b late and then hit the floor by 2pm

Im a bit worried about next scan too just hope babys ok

Mylittlepuds Sat 22-Dec-12 20:25:12

Thank you soooooooooooo much for answering me! I feel a bit teary! You have all really helped reassure me, and I know out of our bunch I need a lot. And I'm a second timer!

My family are so lovely. Today they were all concerned as I went in a grump/stress but them telling me "it's fine" doesn't do the trick! I can't stress how important this thread is for me as I know you all know what I'm going through.

I think perfectionism has no place in this and that's what I find hard. When I'm 'trying hard' - like today when I had something low carb off the menu, not what I fancied, and still stuffed up! It's infuriating as you all know.

Thanks again ladies :-) you have really made my night. You're all lovely.

Hopingforno2 Sat 22-Dec-12 21:03:54

Puds you all helped me when i was freaking out about my eyes(still am a bit)

No1 is perfect its impossible to be, we cant possibly fo as good a job as a fully functioning pancreas as hard as we might try and though not as us obv every1s bg varies depending on if they are hungry/have just eaten (i was told this is why ppl get the shakes with a hangover low bg and why high sugar foods and fizzy juice are a 'curer') and remember ur hba1c is in a 'normal' person range smile

Mylittlepuds Sat 22-Dec-12 21:16:39

Thanks Hoping smile

Did you speak with your nurse about your worries with your eyes?

Hopingforno2 Sat 22-Dec-12 21:40:31

I spoke to one of the ppl that do the scanning who said i had 1 micro(tiny) bleed on both eyes and 1 spot which is a bit bigger on my left none anywhere near a place that would affect my vision so 3 in total the bigger spot looks to be healing and the other 2 may get bigger n do same sad or may get more small ones before anything improves, i told her my hba1c and she said not to worry as my control was good (myb she should see my diary lol) and it may be because of rapid improvment and/or pregnancy. So i asked if it would regress and obv she cant say but there is that possibility so fingers crossed.

Still a niggling worry that i push to the back of my mind or at least i try to. Do u notice that white backgrounds look a bit off when ur bg is low? I ask as im writing this mines is 2.7 tho only had 15u for a chicken tikka kebeab with salad and sauce plus a cheeky small bit of shortbread at 19.45 Being a bit sick of jelly babied i just had a choc sponge thing my ds had sitting around

newbie6 Sat 22-Dec-12 22:24:46

Hi hopingforno2

I have mild retinopathy also, if it reassures you at all, I had my eyes checked every trimester and they have pretty much stayed the same, some new micro aneurysms but my consultant assures me not to worry. I know exactly how you feel as you can't help but worry but when my eyes first started misbehaving I took total control of my diabetes as it gave me the kick up the bum I needed, that was about 8 yrs ago and my eyes took about 3 mths to get better but they got better themselves. I get them checked every 6 mths usually but my consultant says yearly would be fine, I just do 6 mths for my own reassurance. Sometimes when I go they have improved further and sometimes there is a tiny micro aneurysm but I guess what I'm saying is that as long as you keep up your good work, your eyes will be fine. Whilst I've been pregnant my consultant has told me even if they get worse due to the birth etc, it is highly likely they will settle again within a few weeks. I see a top eye consultant in Scotland so take reassurance that he knows his stuff. Best advice is to do what you're doing as your BS control will really help.


Hopingforno2 Sat 22-Dec-12 22:42:48

Thanks newbie

Im doing my best not to worry but its the 1st time ive ever had any changes so scares me stupid. Im trying really hard with me control but finding it tricky at the moment more lows than highs right now. I keep wondering if 3 is alot?

Im in scotland too smile how do u get them to check every 6 months can you request it? Im due another in feb for my 3rd trimester but would like it done more after birth just to see what happens and esp if the feb one is worse. I know they can treat it before it gets this far but i still have nightmares about waking up blind sad

newbie6 Sat 22-Dec-12 23:22:06

3 is not a lot, promise! I go private, 80 quid a time but I feel so reassured by it as like you when I first got changes to my eyes I was terrified. I see a Dr Wykes at Ross Hall, he is fantastic! Try and remember that non diabetics can get changes to the back of their eyes due to labour etc so it's not just us, I know it's scary but I really do think you will find with your control being so good, at your next appt they will have settled and even if they haven't that will be down to pregnancy as opposed to you. My eyes took a while to sort themselves as your blood vessels can change especially when your control suddenly tightens, even though its for the better, I couldn't understand that as I always thought if my sugars were good my eyes would be fine but initially any change to your control (good or bad) can affect your vessels until you settle and it's at that point that if you keep your control good, like you are that you tend to find any aneurysms will disappear. Best of luck, you are doing everything right! X

Hopingforno2 Sun 23-Dec-12 07:53:30

Thanks again newbie smile

Ross hall is glasgow isnt it? Not sure about how dp would feel about me spending £80 but if my next screen is worse and/or its a year after it before i get another it may be worth it just to stop me going round the bend!

Im not far from glasgow, lanarkshire in fact. Is it glasgow ur from?

newbie6 Sun 23-Dec-12 22:47:34

Yep, Glasgow....I'm in Ayrshire.

Good luck either way but sure you'll be fine smile


Hopingforno2 Mon 24-Dec-12 02:52:29

Thanks newbie

Right ladies im posting at stupid o'clock in the morning as this is the 2nd night in a row ive woken up around this time with high bg after going to bed with a reasonable reading sad last night i was like 5.5 woke up around 8.8 took 2units woke up at 9.9!! Tonight bg was 5.1 now 10 sad so taken 4u and waiting to see what that does just dont want to wake up high again. Admittedly dinner has been 8pm but by 2.30am surely it isnt that? Going to have to phone dsn for some ideas including poss increasing night levemir as im thinking should be holding me steady not having me rise??

Are you eating things higher in fat than normal? Cos I find that sometimes after eating eg pizza it can be up to 8 hours before the rise stops. And it is Christmas... smile

Hopingforno2 Mon 24-Dec-12 08:55:57

Hi rue

Myb thats it, ive been working hence dinner being late and takeaways blush starting work at 9.30 so while lunch will be normalish dinner aint gonna be for a cpl days lol

BonaDea Mon 24-Dec-12 11:20:02

puds - please don't be worried. Not sure about everyone else, but I fairly regularly get readings in the teens. It is not every day, and of course I try to avoid it, but it does happen to all of us. Just make sure you are writing your diary, and making those adjustments as you need to. Sometimes I still struggle to get my head around the insane increases I am having to make to my basal and bolus regime, but if you need it, you need it. Just take it.

Also - I definitely think that testing more makes me see more of the less good readings I get. Before PG I might only test 4 or 5 times a day. Now it is more like 7-10 times per day. So some of those post-meal highs that I might not have seen otherwise, I am now picking up on. I am sure the same is true for you. The good thing is that by seeing them you can actually do something about them. Please don't worry - you are doing a great job!

Everyone else: I just popped in this morning to say MERRY CHRISTMAS and that I hope you all have a lovely, guilt free time of it! I picked my mum up this morning, and MIL arrives first thing tomorrow - let the feasting begin! smile

Hopingforno2 Mon 24-Dec-12 14:24:06

Have a great xmas bona smile xx

Mylittlepuds Mon 24-Dec-12 14:38:54

Thanks Bona :-) you're so lovely. Think you're totally right about the awareness thing. The increase in insulin is scary! Have a fantastic Christmas! X

Hoping - the exact thing was happening to me a few weeks ago. I was so frustrated! It was a combination of late tea (8ish) and high fat. So say a pasta with cheesy sauce. Does that sound right to you?

Gingerbreadpixie Mon 24-Dec-12 16:25:12

Just wanted to say hello and introduce myself

I'm 34 and been T1 for 3 years. Got my diagnosis rather late for T1. I'm also hypothyroid.

I'm 4 weeks pregnant and feeling rather scared of it all at the moment, you may have seen my other thread. But I'm trying to relax and enjoy Christmas. Just finished work for the day so I feel like Christmas has started now!

I've been doing rather well with my blood sugars. Pretty consistently under 7 at the moment. I've had the odd high reading of around 12-14 but because I'm testing so frequently I've managed to bring them down pretty quickly when I catch them.

Anyway, that's how I'm getting on at the moment. I'm glad this thread was pointed out to me. It would be nice to have some other diabetic mums to chat to smile

Hopingforno2 Mon 24-Dec-12 16:39:04

puds yes it prob is! Have been working since sat and due to not getting home till after 7pm have been having take aways blush tonight will be no different coz im working then out for dinner with friends how u doing?

Hi gingerbreadpixie glad uve joined the ladies here are great and know lots so ask anything i do lol im on my 2nd baby and my mum had an underactive thyroid. how are u feeling? Any sickness? Ur doing very well with ur bg! The 1st trimester was mad for me!! Up n down all the time bloomin hormones!

Mylittlepuds Mon 24-Dec-12 19:19:41

Hello Ginger!! I'm so glad you've joined us. I would have loved something like this in my first pregnancy as being a pregnant T1 diabetic - particularly quite recently diagnosed - is very daunting. But we'll hold your hand, promise!

I was 28 when diagnosed - so also rather late for a T1. I had a hard time accepting it wasn't me who'd caused it! How have you been getting to grips with the lifestyle change? I was so free and light and now sometimes feel I have the weight of the world on my shoulders. Would love to go get pissed, have a massive pizza on the way home and sleep in until 1pm but those days are firmly behind me now! I suppose with DCs life changes anyway and so I don't feel too badly done to in that I had my responsibility-free years and now it's come to to settle down smile

You sound like you're doing very well with your sugars. My first pregnancy was a lot better blood sugar wise than I've found this one - I was told by my consultant that the first pregnancy "probably finished my pancreas off," - so that's nice:ha! Us lot know loads more than the experts though I reckon - so ask lots if questions if you need to!

Hi Hoping smile. Depending on what I get takeaways will do that to me too. I remember once I got chips from the Chinese with this weird gravy. Was fine for hours after and then in the night my levels went insane. Had eaten it late too. Enjoy your night tonight! P.S. are you kick counting? I keep freaking myself out thinking 'ooh the baby's been very quiet!'.

Right off to wrap DCs presents with glass of prosecco (disorganised mother!)

Hopingforno2 Mon 24-Dec-12 19:31:52

Hey puds

Yeah it was a chinese last night n i figure its coz i had chips and rice fatty that i am lol tonight n tommorow will be a right off i think any1 else intendending to eat whatever they feel like?

Not really kick counting as my anterior placenta means i feel baby at top n bottom of bump but not really middle tho i know what u mean i worry if i havent felt anything in a while, i have a doppler tho n usually wen i use it baby moves lol my mw said if worried to lie on left side for an hour and have a very cold drink smile

GilbyChunks Mon 24-Dec-12 19:52:55

Hi Gingerbread, I've recently joined this forum too (bit further on them you though, 29+2). Everyone is lovely, very knowledgeable and (most importantly) understanding!

I've actually had a good day today, feels great as the last week has been very up and down, kept going high in the evening and then dropping low in the night from the correction dose. I've just increased my levemir and my evening meal ratio and that seems to be working so far. I also feel smug as have basically eaten rubbish today (it is Christmas Eve). Had a Burger King on motorway driving up to my mum's and an Indian takeaway for tea, which seems to be a Xmas Eve tradition in my family. I will obviously keep an eye on my levels though as I've had to play insulin roulette!

How many more times can I tell my mum I can't have any chocolate? Believe me, it's not that I don't want it!

Mylittlepuds Mon 24-Dec-12 21:01:10

Ha ha - good old insulin roulette! Isn't it wonderful when you eat a load of shite and you get perfect levels? It's like the diabetes Gods are smiling on you. It tends to be when I try the hardest it all goes tits up!

Gingerbreadpixie Mon 24-Dec-12 21:37:19

Hopingfor - I'm feeling ok thanks. A bit nauseous and some mild stomach cramps. My bg is ok, could always be better but I think the odd high is not the end of the world. The main thing is they're not prolonged.

Puds - the lifestyle change was a shock. But I accept that many if them are generally good for me - less alcohol, healthier food choices, stop smoking! To be honest I lost my little sister 3 months the after diagnosis so it all got put into perspective quite quickly. I do miss a curry and fish n chips though. I find my sugars are an all-night battle with both of those meals so I just don't bother anymore! Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll be sure to come here and ask my numerous questions as they come up! smile

Gilby - hello! Yes I've found everyone welcoming and friendly. I think I'm going to like it here smile

Merry Christmas grin
Welcome Pixie too. Hope you all have a fabulous time and that blood sugars behave themselves all day despite vast quantities of whatever you fancy eating gringringrin

Hopingforno2 Tue 25-Dec-12 08:48:36

Merry christmas everyone hope the diabetes fairy blesses us all today despite the large amount of food ;)

Gingerbreadpixie Tue 25-Dec-12 17:25:07

How are the Christmas blood sugars going? I took what I thought would be a bit too much insulin for Xmas dinner to be on the safe side and am still a bit high! Hovering between 9-10 for the past few hours. Took a correction and drinking plenty of water to flush me out.

I think I need to start injecting my novorapid a good 20mins before meals. Does that work for others to combat the peak from food?

Hopingforno2 Tue 25-Dec-12 18:23:24

Hey pixie not too bad so far anyway lol i kinda struggled through the night till this morning as it turned out to be a very late night eating wise took a big dose hit the floor them almost 8 at 3am corrected a nice 4.2 at 9am hit the floor again at 1pm corrected that a decent 5 before a late xmas lunch had a massive plate followed by a yummy dessert but guessing i overestimated as 2.7 now hmm sure il be high all night to make up for it!

Sorry I'm so rubbish at keeping up at the moment blush

also jealous that you all still have your bumps and get to go through labour etc still

I over did the insulin for my Christmas dinner but had a mince pie and some chocolate buttons!

pixie when I was pregnant I had to start injecting my novorapid 20 minutes before, my nurse suggested it so must be common?

Gingerbreadpixie Tue 25-Dec-12 19:36:40

Hopingfor - oh the old bg rollercoaster. Hope it evens out. I came back down to a nice comfy 6 and am now hovering there. So that's good. Debating whether to have Xmas pudding now! Is that ok if it's got sherry in it? It's a Heston one. Mum and DH are tucking in now and I'm desperate to have some! But other than half a Guinness the day before I knew I was pg I haven't touched a drop.

Tea cakes - yes my nurse suggested it. I haven't needed it so far as been having pretty low-carb foods tbh. Obv going out of the window now on Xmas day! Time to put it in to practice.

Gingerbreadpixie Tue 25-Dec-12 19:48:32

Blimey, just checked nutritional info on Heston Christmas pudding. There's about 60g carbs for a 12th of the pudding. I think I'll opt for mince pie and cream!

Mylittlepuds Tue 25-Dec-12 20:11:04

Hello lovely ladies! Hope it's all gone well today smile

A day of okay levels here - hovered around 10 for an hour longer than usual but hey it's Christmas Day! No drama inducing spikes - and settled around 5 now. Woooo hoooo!!!! Loads of choccy too...

Hope you all have a lovely, relaxing evening with your bumps and DCs. And I hope our first thread baby Felix had a very special first Christmas!

Aww thanks puds smile he's slept all day and I'm still in my pjs grin

Mylittlepuds Tue 25-Dec-12 20:28:59

Sounds like the perfect Christmas Day to me smile

Hopingforno2 Tue 25-Dec-12 21:13:24

Aggh just tested im at 10.2 now sad think tho its coz ive skipped a meal? Gonna take insulin n something to eat i think see how that goes fingers crossed

Mylittlepuds Tue 25-Dec-12 21:19:08

10.2 is okay! Especially on Christmas Day smile.

Hopingforno2 Wed 26-Dec-12 13:56:17

How is everyone?

Still thinking my levermir might need adjusting but waiting to go to clinic on monday, went to bed at 3.0 so ate half a freddo checked at 2am at 7.9 took 1u was 5.7 at 5am woke up at 9am to a 6.1??

Took my usual insulin and breakfast thinking if it stays around 6 i'll be happy but had risen to 7.5 so now had soup n sandwich with 14u n anyones guess whether il be high or low in a cpl hours x

Gingerbreadpixie Wed 26-Dec-12 14:04:36

Just got home (sweet home!) with DH from my mums, where I'd felt slightly on edge Xmas day.

After a couple of little highs in the night (around the 8-9 mark) all seems to be fairly stable around 5-6 now.

Hoping for - your sugars sound pretty good to me, apart from the 3.0 obvs. I hate hypoing just before bed. I got a 2.9 reading before bed last night. I felt terrible and had to resist the urge to overdo the correction and end up soaring up in the night. I'm still not very good at getting that balance right

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 16:56:57

Oh shit. I've just done something really stupid and need some advice. I had a nap and woke up at 2mmol. I felt really bad - shaking, sweating etc. had four wine gums which really should have done the trick but in my confused state was so so hungry I had a bag of crisps, chocolate biscuit, two bowls of cereal and done little crunch cornflake things. I feel so stupid now but done thing took over and I was just ravenous. Anyway I'm at 4.2 now but so confused as to what to inject as it feels so wrong to be giving myself insulin to go with food which I practically needed to inhale. I have given myself 7u just as a guess. I really don't know what to do.

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 16:57:55

* some cornflake things
* something took over

puds rough guesstimate of 80+ g carbs - what's your ratio? Work out the dose and knock off a unit to cover the hypo, then correct if needed a bit later.

I know what you mean though, when I go that low I tend to just keep eating till I feel better, then have to correct. I think it's our bodies way of making us eat something to sort is out iyswim!

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 17:10:43

2u to 10g but I've never given myself more than 9u in one sitting so there's just no way I could bring myself to give myself 16u.

Funny - you've guessed almost bang on re. carbs! I'm 6.9 nor and climbing. I think I'm going to wait 90min and correct but I have a feeling tonight's going to just be a diabetic nightmare. Not sure whether to go to A&E if things get really bad. I know it's extreme but I'm absolutely shitting myself!

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 17:12:02

* 6.9 and climbing

Hopingforno2 Wed 26-Dec-12 17:12:16

Oh puds i know that feeling, takes alot to wait that 10-15 mins for initial corrections to work, if it makes u feel any better im running at above 7 today which while not high is annoying the hell out of me as i normally run around 5 sad havent even had any treats today at all i had cornflakes at breakfast and a soup n sandwich for lunch. I think my insulin needs may be going up what does everyone think? I really want some choc after dinner but looks like its not my dat sad

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 17:17:50

Hoping I've had lots of days like that - when I've just not been able to get things under 7.9ish no matter what. I put it down to hormones or a little infection - or even a bad night's sleep. As long as you're under 10 you're okay :-)

I'm feeling really foolish. I just hope by some miracle I was that low that I needed at least half of what I had and the other half I've gone some way on covering with the 7u. It just felt wrong to inject a shed load of insulin when I was still sweating and shaking etc. keep your fingers crossed for me ladies.

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 17:33:11

I'm so worried sad

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 17:54:48

12.8 an hour after...could be a LOT words considering. Hope it's stopping climbing now. I'm going to give it another 30 min and then correct. What is the max you guys inject for a correction dose? I never go over 2.5u for a correction. Sorry for all the posts, I just know you all understand.

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 17:55:19

* a lot worse!

Hopingforno2 Wed 26-Dec-12 18:10:35

I understand puds but its only 6 so time to fix before bed. Bed is usually the worst time for me lol oh is watching man v food honestly could cry watching them tuck in to ice cream with brownies n cookie dough fudge sauce etc sad

Hopingforno2 Wed 26-Dec-12 18:22:33

I used to take 1u for each 1 i wanted down by but sometimes thats way too much others not nearly enough, i took 2u just over an hour ago when i was 7.8 now im 5.3 so better but then im about to have my dinner so we will see. If it helps im feeling frustrated today too and more than a little fed up of every1 else sitting around munching sad not that its their fault i just want to as well

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 18:53:24

Well...went out on a nice brisk 30 min walk and I'm 9.2 after two hours....YIPEE!! Crisis averted! It's a Christmas miracle. Would have died if anyone saw me out walking mind - hair on top of my head and no make up. The things we do for these babies smile - it's raining out too! Just can't wait to hold the baby in my arms and know it's safe and sound.

Hoping its bloody awful isn't it!!! I am at that stage in pregnancy now where I just feel like I neeeeeed a shed load of chocolate to survive! I'm so jealous of people eating with abandon. But let's try and look on the bright side - at least we won't be the size of a house after the baby is born. Ooh also found out on the pregnancy threads that you CAN eat Stilton! Who knew? The NHS have changed their guidelines. Yay!

Hopingforno2 Wed 26-Dec-12 19:12:29

Ive always liked chocolate n did have a bit with meals, my well meaning family got me some thortons diabetic stuff it actually tastes alright im in such a grump im having a bit lol took insulin to cover but will likely regret it later tho its making me happy right now

Funny exercise doesnt really help me sumtimes it makes it worse have no idea why i used to be fairly active with at least 2 bodystep classes a week but had bleeding at begging of preg that i had to rest now ive lost the condtion so would do more damage than good

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 19:47:55

Honestly you enjoy your chocolate. I've had loads of it this last couple of days. I'm trying to get back on the wagon tomorrow though as generally my levels have been very wayward since about the 19 week mark and I've been quite lax. I need to try and get things back on target!

I'm not up for proper exercise as I'd be too stressed about having a hypo/baby even though I know exercise during pregnancy is really good. I have been trying to do 30 min walking a day although it's kind of stopped this week!

Rather than correct with insulin what I've been doing is - if my blood sugar is high at 90 mins after eating - heading out for a half hour walk with the hope of bringing things in line by 2 hours. I find that firstly eases my guilt as I think before I was pregnant 2 hours was the aim - so if I bring things in line by then then it can't be too bad...I also think it's a chance to get out and do some exercise without the worry of having a hypo AND I find it helps keep me steady for the rest of the day - so wins all round! I'm also mega, mega smug that I'm 23 weeks and still in my skinny jeans. Whoop whoop! Last time at this point I was living in leggings.

Hopingforno2 Wed 26-Dec-12 20:07:56

I was quite bad until recently well my bg were ok but i was eating choc etc as part of my meals and my hba1c came down cut most of it and had nowt but bother lol

Im so jealous im other way round last time was ok this time exploded carrying quite high too! My normal dress n tights fitted fine but i prefer over the over bump stuff lol hate feeling like my stuffs sitting low im a little strange lol

Gingerbreadpixie Wed 26-Dec-12 20:14:13

I think my insulin needs are increasing but I'm confused as I was told they'd decrease in early preg. Am annoyed I haven't been able to get my bg under 9 for at least 3 hours. Keep injecting corrections but they're not touching it. At least they must be preventing it climbing. Just shot 3u novorapid which is stupid cos ill be hypo in an hour but I really want it to go under 9!!

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 20:33:31

It's weird isn't it Hoping - the harder I try, the worse I seem to do! I don't mind over the bump or below - just not cutting through...drives me crazy!

Hi Ginger. How many weeks are you now? My pattern this pregnancy was:

First two weeks mental blood sugars, first sign of pregnancy in some diabetics apparently.

Then I went through a stage of a few weeks where requirements went up and up and up. Was injecting 3u to 10g and 17u long acting!

Then...I crashed. My sensitivity randomly went through the roof and I needed hardly any insulin at all. That was about until 17 weeks I think. Honestly it was mental - I needed 0.8u per 10g and even then I'd hypo. Was weird and even my nurse was a bit confused. It certainly didn't happen first pregnancy. But I did loads of research and it happens a lot in T1s.

And from 20 weeks my requirements suddenly doubled. Still trying to get to grips with it.

So I suppose what I'm trying to say is every pregnancy is different. Try not to get caught up in what 'should' be happening with your requirements as it sent me a bit mental!

I totally understand you being frustrated with not being able to get it under 9. I'm the same - I get so fed up! But honestly the hormones just sometimes make things so unpredictable and annoying. Hope you don't go too low. Keep testing and have a sweetie or two if it starts dropping to prevent a crash smile

I'm not coming under 9 tonight either after earlier binge! I'm not too upset though as considering what I ate things could be a lot bloody worse! X

Hopingforno2 Wed 26-Dec-12 20:33:48

pixie had n still have times like that i actually think that chips may have more of an effect than choc does how strange is that!! A curry n rice im ok add chips rather than rice disaster! My needs fluctuated depending on hormones in 1st trimester n whether i was sick or just feelIng sick

Hopingforno2 Wed 26-Dec-12 20:40:26

puds we were posting at same time lol but i agree there isnt a norm really i just cant find a ratio at all! Doubt a harvard maths student could for now either pretty sure i feel low coming on sad never mind if it is pass the choccies or ice cream lol

Hopingforno2 Wed 26-Dec-12 20:56:02

Yep 2.7 so 2 galaxy and 1 malteaser celebration waiting it out for 20 mins to c if going up or down

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 20:57:47

Slightly jealous of your hypo! Yum!

I'm 6.3 - really didn't think THAT would be happening this evening. Phew!

Hopingforno2 Wed 26-Dec-12 21:06:49

Aw thats great puds as much as i enjoyed the choc just hoping the rise isnt too much coulf really do with chilling out for a bit n a good sleep lol

Mylittlepuds Wed 26-Dec-12 21:08:52

I know exactly how you feel Hoping. X

Hopingforno2 Wed 26-Dec-12 21:24:25

Thanks puds i know u do we all have to go thro it, just soo want to eat like all the time just now

Mylittlepuds Thu 27-Dec-12 20:54:25

Hi Hoping - did your lows start about a week ago? I've had three hypos today when I'd been having very few 'proper' ones (3 and under). I'm thinking maybe the baby is going through a growth spurt?

Other ladies - do you ever get anxiety as a symptom of hypos? I suffer anxiety anyway but when I have a hypo it seems to go through the roof and panic attacks generally follow.

Gingerbreadpixie Thu 27-Dec-12 22:42:30

Hi puds. I do have anxiety as part of hypos sometimes. I have been known to burst into tears too

In answer to a few posts ago I'm 4weeks and 5 days pg. my sugars have been a bit better today but I went back to work so less munchies lying around!

I'm getting little pains today though. Fingers crossed its just things stretching or luteal cyst. I know I've been a bit anxious about this pg but I really would like it to stay (sorry for going off topic a bit)

Hopingforno2 Thu 27-Dec-12 23:21:49

puds around about when i found out about my eyes so nearly 2 weeks and now i still get them at least once a day but grr but i think its coz i just cant find a ratio at all! Now im sure my needs are going up again, i took 18u at lunch time as was at kfc was a nice 4.2 after 2 hours then tested at dinner 6.30 n bam 9.7 tho as more than 4 hours after novorapid im thinking levemir adjustment is gonna be the answer at clinic on monday as kinda get a rise during night too. But ut right i think growth of baby has alot to do with it! And yes sometimes i get anxious with it but mostly with the night ones its the anxiety that wakes me up.

pixie i had a fair bit of pains around the same time n was freaking out! I has a cyst on my right ovary that eventually went away was told it happens sometimes to help maintain the pregnancy wish i could remeber what they called luteal cyst like u said is prob right but they called it something fancy lol

Mylittlepuds Thu 27-Dec-12 23:22:29

Hi Ginger - i'm sure it's just stretching. I had them too at the beginning and despite it bring my second pregnancy still panicked. I think it's the nature of the beast to worry in pregnancy - particularly when you're so thrilled with being pregnant.

It's your first pregnancy isn't it? If so, my stretchy pains were much more intense the first time as it's not all saggy like my womb!

God I've had three hypos today and after every one I was a nervous wreck, brought myself back around and then wham!

Hopingforno2 Thu 27-Dec-12 23:43:39

puds had a few days like that and was still like that last week now bloomin opposite sad just glad ive got clinic monday. Really craving an orange right now how weird is that at this time of night but just taken 2u as rising by 1.2 per hour for last two will need to test at 3am as per usual too. 24 weeks today so 14 weeks to go all being well with baby then no doubt il be battling my bg due to sleepless nights and hopefully bf lol

Hopingforno2 Thu 27-Dec-12 23:59:46

That 2u was an hour ago now 9.9 wtf?! Another 3u then oh please be on the way down soon i want to sleep!

Gingerbreadpixie Fri 28-Dec-12 00:02:56

Thanks both of you for reassurance. Yes this is my first. We only got the go ahead to TTC on 5th December (i have hypothyroid as well ad T1 D) Got BFP on 18th December. I think I'm still getting my head round it as it was some fast work!

Sorry you're both having bg troubles. I hate the night time testing. I think I'll get away with not doing it tonight but I have done for the past week. Just when I need a good nights sleep the most!

Hmm,maybe I'll set a 2am alarm just to check...

Gingerbreadpixie Fri 28-Dec-12 00:05:35

Hopingfor - drinking at least a pint of water helps bring my sugars down in a hurry. it really does seem to help with me. Could you give it a try? Though there may be peeing in the night!

Mylittlepuds Fri 28-Dec-12 00:06:49

I totally know what you mean re. going to sleep with a 'good' reading. As I'm on CGM I've discovered that my long acting holds my bed time reading almost perfectly until morning - a straight line on the graph. So if I go to bed at 5 for example I can expect to wake at that if I have got my long acting right. But unfortunately the same will go if I go to sleep at 9 etc. My long acting will only hold me at that level, not bring it down. So I also give I 1u correction dose if I'm around 9. Max I'll correct before bed is with 1.5u. If I was doing 3u I'd def set my alarm for two hours just to make sure you're not too low. X

Hopingforno2 Fri 28-Dec-12 00:24:44

Thanks pixie i'll try that if its not down in next half hour.

puds im finding what i need for corrections now is more than it used to be and more at night than in the morning why i have no idea sad the min my rapid is completley gone so after 4 hours im rising so will be bringing it up at clinic ive put my levermir up but only by 1u perhaps it should be 2 may even see if i can get dsn tommorow

Hopingforno2 Fri 28-Dec-12 09:54:05

What a night, it eventually went down to 6.7 at 1.30am, was 4.2 at 4.30am and didnt go low till nearly 7am!! Ate i biscuit and 2 mint poppets and got a 4.2 at 8am just hope today/tonight goes better as working tommorow sad

Mylittlepuds Fri 28-Dec-12 19:06:09

How's it gone today Hoping? Well I hope smile

A question for the second timers - I'm now 23 weeks. From 20 weeks my requirements doubled seemingly over night. Now though in the last two days my requirement has plummeted again and I'm having lots of hypos whereas a few weeks ago I was struggling to keep things under 10.

I'm a bit concerned about a failing placenta as I know things are supposed to gradually now increase - as they were. Should I get checked out or can you have fluctuations even at this point? With my son my requirements just steadily went up and up...

Hopingforno2 Fri 28-Dec-12 19:26:26

Hey puds

I was in same boat for a couple of weeks but now my needs are way up again ive just turned 24 weeks i havent been checked since 21 weeks of course so just hope things r fine in there.

Im having a slightly better day, on the low side well so far anyway no doubt from now on in will be different tho hmm

Mylittlepuds Sat 29-Dec-12 19:58:16

I want to eat 50 bowls of Crunchy Nut Cornflakes. Instead I am eating cheese...again. That is all.

Hopingforno2 Sat 29-Dec-12 20:17:57

lol lol aw puds i needed a giggle been at work all day.

Anyone on split doses of levemir? I intend to ask on monday but is it 12 hours this lasts? If so im thinking i should be taking it earlier at night

Hopingforno2 Sun 30-Dec-12 08:17:07

Ok so im totally fed up now, i was a nice 6.1 at 8pm an hour after dinner still the same at 9pm by 10pm 7.9 took a 1u correction thinkig thatd be me all set nope by 10pm 8.8 another 2u by 11.30pm 9,2 sad i wound up taking another 1u i know i shouldnt have but i was really annoyed and going above 9 now feels the same as above 12 used to, just feel yucky. I didnt crash till 5am this morning 2.1 took i small choc chip cookie and 1 milky way celebration sweet as it was on rise after 20 mins went back to sleep and woke up at 2.8 rant over

Mylittlepuds Sun 30-Dec-12 10:52:34

I wonder what's going on with your night time levels Hoping. I find that if I'm not REALLY strict with myself mine are the same. I have dinner at about 5pm and if it's a healthy dinner and I don't eat anything else I'm usually okay. However if I have anything after that point with any carbs in it starts to become a struggle. It's really hard as if you're in front of the TV it's just vey tempting to pick at something - hence the plate of melted cheese I had last night!

What are you having for dinner? If I have fish, veg and say 20g of carbs I'm great - but we don't always fancy that do we?!

Hopingforno2 Sun 30-Dec-12 13:29:51

I have way more carbs than that lol which i admit wont help but ive been eating like that pre and after pregnancy and my bg hasnt acted like this sad its soo weird i cant help dinner being later when im working unfortunatley. How do u manage that puds id be starving with a really low carb meal then nothing i have at least double urs and still hungry going to bed these days. Im steady right up till after 9pm then starts to rise by at least 1mmol an hour, thats why i was wondering about my split dose levemir my morning dose is 8am but my night has been 10pm and im thinking mayabe i should be taking it at 8pm so they are 12 hours apart??

dieciocho Sun 30-Dec-12 14:01:43

Hello again everyone and nice to "meet" you new people!
I hope you all had enjoyable Christmases; it sounds like you all did pretty well considering grin.
I had a total cheese-fest for the whole blasted week blush, so I'm now convinced that my baby will weigh about 20lbs when it comes out in just 3 weeks time!!! shock

My sugars on 25th were beautiful, but went mental on Boxing Day to compensate.
I've naughtily been...encouraging low sugars in order to allow myself a piece of Christmas cake/panettone/mince pie....ooops.

newbie6 Sun 30-Dec-12 15:55:21

Hi all,

I somehow managed to forget to take my lantus last night, sugars during the night were between 7 and 5 but woke up at 11. Today they have been much higher than usual so have taken half my lantus dose and still taking my novorid to try and keep them in check. Should I go back to my usual lantus dose tonight do you think?

Can't believe I forgot to take it and am now stressing as sugars have been wavering between 8 and 11 all day?


Mylittlepuds Sun 30-Dec-12 16:11:37

Newbie honestly that's fine - I hit 15.8 today: not my proudest moment though. Was in floods of tears. What time did you take your half Latnus dose?

Diec - just three weeks! Wow! What have your growth scans been like? I welcome a good low to stuff my face nowadays too - if we can't do it then when can we!

Hoping - I need much more carbs than that too! My appetite has been terrible and I'm really struggling at the moment as need to keep eating but totally confused about ratios if I've already had my meals. It tends to be much lower requirement for 'snacks' so I just have to guess and I'm not being very successful! I'm not sure about splitting doses but I know the other ladies might smile

Mylittlepuds Sun 30-Dec-12 16:12:16

Terrible as in hungry all the time.

Mylittlepuds Sun 30-Dec-12 16:21:30

Also I'm really curious about something...I'm on a continuous monitor and so I'm always hyper aware of where my sugars are at. For example today I know I hit a 15.8 about 40 min after some cereal. 2 hours after I'm back to normalish.

So I'd really like to know if you ladies ever test before 90 min after eating and know if they too are hitting these ridiculous numbers? I don't all the time. My 'peak' tends to be 12ish. I've always been the same - it's as if the sugar floods into my system before the insulin starts to take effect. The thing is if I were to take more insulin to try and avoid that peak I'd hypo as I'm (generally) in line by 90mins-2hours.

newbie6 Sun 30-Dec-12 16:31:24


Took it about an hour ago, normally take it at 10pm. Am 37 weeks so am probably over anxious anyway as am stressing about delivery now as find out on Thurs whether they'll induce me or c section .....yikes!


Mylittlepuds Sun 30-Dec-12 16:34:03

I think I'd take 3/4 - just to be on the safe side? And then set the bloody alarm for 3am? I take mine 10pm too and 3am is when its action peaks. Want to join the anxious club? I'm in a horrible thing at the moment I thinking 'did I already take that?'

Wow 37 weeks! I was induced at 37 weeks with DS!

newbie6 Sun 30-Dec-12 16:34:35

.....I agree with you too, I welcome the lows so I can give in to my cravings and eat chocolate and crisps! Also have been told that breast feeding lowers your sugars dramatically so if we do that,we can all maybe indulge in some naughty foods too smile ....x

newbie6 Sun 30-Dec-12 16:37:39

Thanks mylittlepuds....I test through the night anyway, I'm a total anxious control freak, ha ha! Will see what my sugars are before 10pm and decide then but was thinking same as you. God, the joys of being preggars!

How did you find your induction, was it okay?


dieciocho Sun 30-Dec-12 17:03:01

Puds I try to avoid testing less than 50-ish minutes after food/a meal because I understand that sugars are not stable at that point, so it wouldn't be informative - ie. the insulin hasn't fully kicked in and nor has the food (unless it's chocolate of course!)

newbie, I'd want to get back onto my normal doses asap, but of course that might well mean more testing...

Hopingforno2 Sun 30-Dec-12 17:04:53

puds im the same some nights im going to bed with my tummy rumbling but too scared to eat as im already high. Ive been testing the odd time after 90 mins but not all the time my consultant isnt even big on 2 hours more being on target at next meal so just hope they take my concern re night time on board.
newbie im getting same way i actually cant sleep if im too high before bed and always up at least once a night testing but its making me really tired! I was induced with ds too but shall not tell u my story as it didnt go as planned where im sure most do smile

dieciocho Sun 30-Dec-12 17:06:49

Oh also, newbie, I'm planning a "naughty feast" for when I come home!
I'm dead keen on taking advantage of those lower sugars. grin Kind of like a late-second-normal Christmas.
DP has been told to make me trifle, pie, chips, mince pies...that's assuming that breastfeeding works out alright for me.

dieciocho Sun 30-Dec-12 17:14:37

Sorry Puds, missed your Q:
My growth scans have been fine - first on 55th%, then on 60%, so I know logically that I don't really have cause to worry. The final one is next Wed.

Mylittlepuds Sun 30-Dec-12 18:15:15

Diec DSs stomach measurement was off the scale by second growth scan last time so find that v reassuring that all is well! It didn't hamper things in anyway but it just shows that you must have fantastic control :-)

Newbie - re. Induction I think it's diff for everyone. My experience wasn't nice but that was solely down to a pain relief I chose called pethadine which really left me out of it. If it wasn't for that it would have been much better. This time i'm insisting on an epidural ASAP!

Hopingforno2 Sun 30-Dec-12 19:15:11

puds that was part of my problem too after the pethidine i was out of it! Not a good experience at all, i may be an elective section this time tho not if im allowed induction id give it another go

Mylittlepuds Sun 30-Dec-12 19:19:00

God it's awful stuff isn't it Hoping! Weirdly though for some women it's absolutely fine! It's scrawled all over my records now that allergic to opiates my experience was that bad. sad

Hopingforno2 Sun 30-Dec-12 19:26:26

God u poor thing i just looked n felt like id had a very big night out lol ds kept falling asleep due to it and pretty much all i remeber is them shaking my belly and or me to wake us both up

Hopingforno2 Mon 31-Dec-12 10:06:46

Ok so just left clinic, im apparently running myself 'too tight' and therfore am chasing my tail with high and lows so ive to reduce my daytime levemir and start having a small super as well as taking my 2nd dose of levemir at 8pm grrr why do i feel as tho this isnt going to work sad back in 2 weeks for clinic and growth scan but to call dsn thus/fri to give readings

Mylittlepuds Mon 31-Dec-12 10:30:21

That's interesting Hoping - maybe they're saying to cut yourself a bit of slack and hope things even out more? I'm often in the chasing high and low game and it's not nice. It's very frustrating and can be very upsetting as you feel like you never 'win'. Yesterday I was at 10 2 hours after breakfast and rather than getting myself worked up, correcting and crashing I just thought I'd let it be and then by lunch it was perfect. If I had have corrected it would have been low, I would have had to treat a hypo, then gone too high etc etc. Maybe there is a such a thing as trying too hard but being relaxed about something that can affect your baby is far easier said than done. Can't wait until I'm not pregnant diabetes wise. And then I really won't feel guilty as long as I'm generally fit and well!

Gingerbreadpixie Mon 31-Dec-12 10:40:36

Hi. Has anyone lost their hypo awareness in the early stages? I've been waking up around the 3.0 mark the past two mornings feeling completely fine. Before pg I would be a shaking sweating wreck!

Mylittlepuds Mon 31-Dec-12 10:56:27

Ginger I'm the same. Takes a good 2.5 or lower now before I clock a hypo.

Hopingforno2 Mon 31-Dec-12 13:25:32

Ginger me too only below 3 affects me now in fact i can still function normally till nearer 2!!

puds not testing and correcting after 2 hours already a shambles! 10.2 at 1pm had breakkie at 8am sad but guess rushing between clinic and work may be to blame

Mylittlepuds Mon 31-Dec-12 14:43:10

Oh I'm bloody sick of it me Hoping! Breakfast always worse remember. If I get it 1u out I'm high until lunch too. X

I always lose hypo symptoms in PG - I'm only getting the shaking/sweating and incoherent stage below 2 now. Which I find takes a double dose of carbs to bring me round, so I get to eat lots more sweets I suppose grin

Mylittlepuds Mon 31-Dec-12 19:04:43

Mmmm sweets

Hopingforno2 Mon 31-Dec-12 19:17:41

rue i was at 1.7 before i felt really bad the other day whoops and puds im fed up too.

Ok so i need a rant, my original plan for tonight had been going to a friends house dp wen he finished work and ds however one friends ds hasnt been well so i decided that since my ds already has a chesty cough and when i become ill my blood sugars go mental that id be better off taking it easy at home now im getting flack for it as they had food in. Obv neither of my friends are diabetic so never thought to ask or i would have said i cant just sit n munch away at pizza etc so pissed off right now, that is all sorry had to get that out.

newbie6 Mon 31-Dec-12 23:38:16

Don't blame you hopingforno2, people just don't get it do they! I hope your son feels better soon and that you have a good NY. x

BonaDea Tue 01-Jan-13 12:50:15

Happy new year ladies and welcome to our newest member, ginger! grin

I'm going interwebby shopping mad today. Poor Mr Bona's debit card is getting a pasting!!

dieciocho Tue 01-Jan-13 13:34:12

Happy New Year everyone, here's hoping for healthy mummies and babies in 2013

I've spent well over £100 in the sales Bona, which is more than I spent on my Christmas shopping shock.
I've been buying presents for all the birthdays in spring 2013 blush and tops for breastfeeding - normal shirts, cardigans etc.
I don't need special tops, right? Just special bras?

diec I've got really cheap primark vest tops (spaghetti strap ones) which I wear under everything. I pull up whichever top(s) in wearing and pull the vest down. Much easier and cheaper plus I've never found a nursing top I like!

Oh and as for bras I would get a cheap ish one pre birth then wait a few weeks to get a decent one once your boobs have settled down. The sleep ones are really good for when your milks coming in and not expensive either

Something like this

Sorry for all the posts blush

Hopingforno2 Tue 01-Jan-13 14:25:32

Happy New Year Everyone hope you all have a nice day.xx

Mylittlepuds Tue 01-Jan-13 16:49:50

Happy New Year everyone! Yes here's to healthy babies :-)

Ooh I actually like that bra Spotty - nice and plain! Agree with vest under top tip. In fact I do it now - a long one over my bump and then a normal top.

Hoping I have that problem with friends. They will but a buffet on/have pizza in but obviously when I don't indulge they just think I'm being OTT. After all they 'know diabetics' that 'eat loads'. Erm type two diabetics the majority of who can (when not pregnant obv) pretty much eat what the like and pop a tablet - not worry about working out insulin, hypos, how much alcohol you can safely drink etc etc etc etc. I've actually drifted apart from a few friends now as I'm just not the same carefree person - I just can't be without risking my life even though the general public think that's over exaggerating. It's not.

Hopingforno2 Tue 01-Jan-13 17:12:42

Thanks newbie and puds nope they dont get it at all prob because i try not to make it a big deal and was a bit more lax wen not pregnant but im very careful now with anything that i can be anyway including not illness i know i wont be able to avoid ill people all together but why would i do it on purpose esp wen my ds is still trying to shake a chesty cough!

How is everyones day going? I had a huge steak pie dinner overestimated insulin so had some lovely cake n cream smile

Mylittlepuds Tue 01-Jan-13 18:33:21

Mmmmmmmmm :-) Cake and cream!

I've had an okay couple of days. Not excellent but okay and I'm happy with that!

It's a bit off topic but I have a lump under my arm that I'm drivng myself crazy about. Have now seen THREE GPs and they weren't concerned but I can't help feeling worried it's cancer. I'm getting an ultrasound but won't rest until i have the results. I've always been a worrier about health but ever since being diagnosed with diabetes I always think the worst. Is anyone else like this? I think "I've got diabetes so there must be other things wrong.". Having DS has also made me worry more about morbid things!

Hopingforno2 Tue 01-Jan-13 18:57:03

Was great at the time though im at 8.9 now blush but have just had a bowl of cereal(all i could manage after new years dinner lol) and my insulin so hopefully will go back to a nicer level.

Yeah i think pregnancy has made me more paranoid, i had a lump very small under my arm about 6 months or so after ds was born but docs said it was fine and it went away after a while always better safe than sorry right enough.

dieciocho Tue 01-Jan-13 20:52:01

Thanks Spotty - ok, so the sleeping bras aren't pretty, but that's a great price!

dieciocho Tue 01-Jan-13 20:59:09

Actually puds, my diabetes has made me less inclined to think there are others things wrong with my health. Kind of "fate-wouldn't-give-me-more-than-one-crappy-medical-condition"!!! {hmm]

Mylittlepuds Tue 01-Jan-13 21:08:49

Ha ha! Like your thinking Diec! That's what my friends and family say to me - "you've had your bad luck!".

No not pretty! But nice and supportive for when your boobs are like cannon balls! Then a few weeks later I recommend the hot milk ones they do some nice ones smile

Mylittlepuds Tue 01-Jan-13 21:30:08

Oh God the canon ball thing...Jeez!

BonaDea Wed 02-Jan-13 10:35:37

Morning all! Had a TERRIBLE night last night. Stupidly over-insulined my dinner without realising - I meant to have pudding, then didn't feel like it. Went to bed at 7 and woke a couple of hours later from a hot, sweaty, troubling nightmare wondering what was going on. Eventually my poor hypo-brain thought to test: 2.2. Ate some chocolate which was beside the bed, but felt I needed more (was in that horrible panic stage by then). Went down stairs and had some fresh orange juice.

Went back to bed then lay awake worrying about whether I was going to hypo again, but also about everything else - am I going to be a terrible mother? Which side of the backseat should we fit the carseat for the baby? Has the baby moved since my hypo? Did I order the right sized changing mat to fit the dresser? (do you all have these random, stressful thoughts in the middle of the night?!).

Anyway, think I had waaaay to much orange juice and it was obviously sour in my stomach because then I started to feel sick. Eventually I managed to get off to sleep, but woke this morning at 13.3 feeling horrible and promptly vomited in the sink as I was trying to brush my teeth. Managed to get the rest in the loo, but poor Mr Bona had to get the plunger out to unblock the sink and watching him do it made me sick again.

And of course today was my first day back at work after 2 weeks off. FFS.

diec - I don't think you need special breast feeding tops, but as mentioned above a friend of mine recommended always wearing a little vest under your top, so that when you unbutton or pull up your top to feed, there is something underneath to hide your squidgy bits (I will definitely be needing that). Having said that, Jo Jo Maman Bebe have some quite good feeding tops in their sale - I bought a couple in size large which fit me now but will also be fine for afterwards. They were reduced to £11 and £14 respectively.

puds - I have read in a couple of the books that breast lumps and bumbs are quite standard in pregnancy. I think that if you have checked with the GP(s) and they say fine, then you can probably relax. Keep an eye on it and see if anything changes. And don't prod it too much - if it is a fybroid or something you might just inflame it!

Mylittlepuds Wed 02-Jan-13 11:05:49

Oh Bona! Yes I have those thoughts in the night - and it's generally after I've had a hypo and had to have loads of sugar! Lucozade does it to me - awful racing thoughts.

Sounds like a pretty shit night. I've had plenty of those but no matter how many times it happens the panic never goes away - has the baby moved etc etc even though it's probably not logical.

Oh I've poked and prodded it within an inch of its life!

Hopingforno2 Wed 02-Jan-13 11:25:05

bona u poor thing last cou

Hopingforno2 Wed 02-Jan-13 11:32:47

Stupid phone, was going to say last cpl of actual nights have been ok but hit 14.2 after a hypo yesterday despite taking 12u and having a just a bowl of cornflakes for dinner sad had it at 8.1 going to bed by 3am 6.1 and 8am this morning 5.3 so was happy with that however on my dsn advice i have reduced my daytime levemir and 2.5 hours after breakfast i was 9.6!! Im now just waiting till lunch hoping its down as been told not to over correct and have the chasing my tail effect but i dont like it at all it had better be down by 1pm!!

I think we all have those panicky thoughts during the night but they are worse when hypo!

I never used to feel like this but now i feel like its taking over my life im cautious with eating whereas i used to just have what i fancied and take insulin to cover it and my bg were actually much better then!

BonaDea Wed 02-Jan-13 11:38:37

Hoping - I find it sometimes takes a day or two for stuff to come out in the wash when I change my levels. A day or two of higher levels is not going to harm the baby - but if it isn't working just start adding a bit more Levemir, don't wait til you see DSN again!

Cornflakes would definitely send me high, too. I use milk as a hypo treatment!

However, it looks like your nighttime Levemir is now correct, as you've had a nice gentle drop overnight. Just the mornings to fix now. I've been 13.3, 11.2 and now hopefully dropping this morning. Dreadful, but after last night don't want to fall into the hypo trap by over-correcting today!

Hopingforno2 Wed 02-Jan-13 11:57:10

Hey bona thats intersting ive never really had a big problem with milk, id had a huge new years luch n didnt really want anything but if i skip eating im unsure what insulin to have so i had my usual breakfast thing with the same dose plus a unit to bring it back in line as was 8.9 n felt terrible so didnt work as the 14.2 shows but was told 1u to bring down by 2mmol so had 4u and night was fine thank god. Ive to call dsn on friday with readings to see what they think not the same person as monday tho so may get a different idea given to me fri lol

Tonight will be the 3rd night of taking my levemir at 8pm instead of 10pm so touch wood this may be helping to stem the rising bg i was getting from 9pm onwards im supposed to add in a super as well but so far havent been hungry enough and myb just a little scared lol

BonaDea Wed 02-Jan-13 12:30:15

hi Hoping - if you are taking Levemir and Novorapid as your insulins you don't have to do anything if you want to skip a meal, just don't take any insulin unless you eat.

The idea is that your Levemir should keep you steady all through the day and night if you don't eat. Your Novorapid handles the food. So, if you don't eat you don't need Novorapid and your Levemir should cover you.

(in fact, when trying to get Levemir doses right I will sometimes skip a meal to check that it is doing what it should and keeping me steady).

Hopingforno2 Wed 02-Jan-13 13:49:53

Thanks bona

I wondered as Xmas day again had a big late lunch/early dinner but did skip dinner took no insulin and ended up high so didn't want that but ended up that way yesterday anyway

Maybe once the festivities r over and dp is back at work my eating pattern will be more settled too tho obv I should be able to eat whenever as long as I get the insulin right a ratio is not appearing tho lol and wen it does I'm lucky if it works for a day or two before its not right again confused

BonaDea Wed 02-Jan-13 14:03:12

hoping - I wouldn't take Christmas day as a great example because it is quite likely that you were eating all sorts of stuff and amounts that you wouldn't normally eat. You may well not have taken enough insuling.

However, if you continue to get a rise mid afternoon even if you have not eaten anything, then it is your day time Levemir which is the culprit and you might have to look at increasing that.

BonaDea Wed 02-Jan-13 14:07:12

General question from me:

I think I have mentioned this before, but it is starting to worry me. When I see the midwife, I don't seem to get a lot of "midwife chat". She checks blood pressure and urine, but so far has not measured my bump, hasn't discussed a birth plan or the details of induction, colostrum harvesting etc etc.

Is it just too early yet? I start growth scans from next week, so perhaps that will be the trigger for this stuff? I think you lovely ladies told me it was more like 30-ish weeks? Is that right or do you think I should be asking them?

I'm 27 weeks today.

Probably a bit early. I never even saw a community midwife only ever saw the specialist one at the hospital and actually I never had an appointment with her just popped in for bp check and saw her in the corridor when I had my consultant appointments

Also birth plans are usually done about 36 weeks and they often don't measure bumps especially if you're having regular scans smile

BonaDea Wed 02-Jan-13 14:26:12

Thanks, Spotty. Defintiely not seeing any community midwives, only the specialist one, but she is sort of elbowed out of the way when the consultant comes in! I know that my delivery is likely to be medicalised and there won't be a birth pool or incense, but I feel like I'd like to have some say!

Suppose the measuring thing makes sense given the growth scans. I feel massive so was interested to know how I 'measured up'.

Hopingforno2 Wed 02-Jan-13 14:27:10

Bona I'm pretty much the same mostly geared towards the diabetes side but since 18 weeks they have been listening in to baby with Doppler and now are checking fundal height by palpating my tummy but no actual measuring as such. I'm starting growth scans on 14th so il be just 26+4 then not sure how often as originally they had said 1st one would be at 28 weeks tho they haven't said why they are starting them early. The only mention of delivery was in passing and not directly to me they were putting on my notes I'm group b strep positive and said oh will be a c section most likely?! Colostrum or even breast feeding no mention yet but just too early I think.

Dsn has just reduced my daytime levemir due to hypos tho I'm not convinced its the right move I'm speaking to someone on Friday with my readings so shall see what they have to say lol

dieciocho Wed 02-Jan-13 14:28:00

Help me.

I've just been told that the baby is still breech.
I've been told that my fluid has nearly all gone.
I've been told that this is a sign that my diabetic placenta is failing.
They've forced me to book in for a caesarean for next week.

All I can feel for the baby now is anger; at least if it was cephalic I'd have a chance at a normal birth.

I'm utterly devastated.
I can't stop crying.

I don't think it's too early Bona - I seem to remember my MW doing measurements etc from about 20 or 24 weeks with both my previous. Though the appt at 16 weeks was the first time other than booking-in that I've seen one this time round and she just used a doppler, so maybe things have changed?

The measurements aren't very accurate though, and if you're having growth scans anyway she might not see the need for them - they're meant to highlight either a large baby (well, duh... grin) or excess fluid (again...) and only work if the same person does them every time, as they all use a slightly different point to measure from.

BonaDea Wed 02-Jan-13 14:41:39

diec - so sorry to hear that the little blighter has not turned around sad. Completely understand why you are so upset - it is so bloody unfair when you have busted your little diabetic ass to get everything right and STILL this happens. PAH!

BUT, there are positives to this. They have spotted what is happening and are going to help you get your baby out happy and healthy. Ok, it is not the labour of your dreams, but then none of us will get that. At least it is planned, so you are not thinking of a simply pessary, contracting for 24 hours and ending up with a c-section. Your baby is going to be fine and so will you.

Chin up my love, we are all here for you. thanks

Remind me: when is your actual due date?

dieciocho Wed 02-Jan-13 14:51:09

My due date is 31st January.

The whole experience has been taken out of my hands and I've convinced myself that I won't love the baby when they take it out because I won't have done it myself.

BonaDea Wed 02-Jan-13 14:59:44

diec - You are not so very far away from your due date anyway, but I COMPLETELY understand that you feel you are having the decision taken away from you which is horrible. It is so so so unfair.

I also get what you mean about worrying about not loving the baby and I have similar fears about c-section. But I am pretty sure that is unfounded. You are already a wonderful and loving mother - look at everything you have done over the last 8 months to keep your baby safe and give him / her the best possible start. How could someone as brave and hard working and loving as that not take to it like a duck to water?

Also, you have a week. Buy some books about c-sections - order them today for delivery tomorrow. Gen up on whether there is anything you can do to help bonding although I'm convinced you won't need it.

As for your due date, at least it means the baby is not going to be too undercooked - it is realistically the difference of a week or two (that is such a man thing to say - too practical and not udnerstanding enough, but it is true).

hugs from me. xxx

Hopingforno2 Wed 02-Jan-13 15:02:35

diec im so sorry that baby hasnt turned, I can understand why ur upset but the main thing is ur lovely baby comes out happy and healthy. Ii had a really hard time with ds ended in emergency section which im told is worse than a planned one. I felt really cheated as id got to 10cm and pushed for an hour only to end up in theatre anyway and honestly ds is none the worse i actually think the pain relief used during labour had more of an effect on him than the section he was very sleepy and not feeding properly due to this.

Hope ur ok.x

dieciocho Wed 02-Jan-13 15:14:44

hoping, yes, that does sound crap, I can understand your feeling cheated. I'm jealous, in a way, that you got to try vaginal delivery though blush

bona, I'll be 37 weeks next week, so the baby won't be premature, no. The consultant has said that it will have a 7-8% chance of having breathing difficulties, but he doesn't want me to take steroids, like spotty had to due to how much they mess up blood sugars.

I'm really sorry for how you're feeling diec I would feel the same I think. Dd was born at 36 weeks and didn't have any breathing difficulties (and I didn't have steroids). My little sister was born at 37 weeks (my mum is t1) and was only in SCBU for three days. Maybe post in childbirth how you feel as there will be some people with excellent advice and experience thanks

BonaDea Wed 02-Jan-13 15:25:18

7-8% is very very low change. That means there's upwards of 92% chance there will be no problems at all!

I popped out 3 weeks early myself and had no issues (well, apart from the obvious).

AND: you get to meet your baby next week. HOW EXCITING!!!!

Oh diec I'm sorry baby hasn't turned.

There are things you can do to help with bonding following csections - the one thing I wrote in my birth plan for DD and the MW really backed me up on was skin to skin immediately post-birth. I couldn't do the skin to skin due to being stitched up, so DH did it instead. He stood/sat next to me with DD inside his scrubs, by the time I was in recovery he was covered in patches of dribble where she'd tried to eat him grin as she was rooting so much. Helps LO regulate their breathing and temperature, and can help with the feeding as the rooting instinct kicks in. DH also stayed with DD post-delivery (and DS when he was transferred to NICU) eg when she got whisked off to be weighed & checked. She was never out of his sight.

I think (hope) you'll be amazed at the rush of feeling you get post-birth, don't expect to sleep much the first night or two afterwards, you'll probably just want to look at the baby grin

Mylittlepuds Wed 02-Jan-13 15:37:38

Oh Diec. I totally understand why you'd be so upset. You really have done all you can but maybe it's just the way things were going to be?

I have to echo what's been said above. My t1 friend was induced recently and it took FOUR DAYS to get her started. She even had to go home at one point. Anyway at the edge of insanity through lack of sleep, dilating, contractions it was emergency C-Section time. Bloody awful.

Re. the loving the baby thing I 'get' that because as a mother from this point you will question that continually - do I love my baby enough if I don't give bfing a try? Make all food from scratch? Put him in nursery? Etc etc etc etc. mothers feel guilty for everything and most of the time irrationally so. A medically required C-Section is NOT a reason to feel guilty, however as there's no element of choice whatsoever.

DS was 37 weeks and perfect :-)

It might help to read about other women who wanted a natural birth and their feelings when they couldn't?

Hope you feel less upset soon. Thinking of you. X

BonaDea Wed 02-Jan-13 16:09:04

*chance, not change! (sorry!)

Hopingforno2 Wed 02-Jan-13 17:03:54

diec im glad i tried but in truth i wont be too disappointed if i have to have a section this time as by time i got to section last time i was exhausted ds was in distress and i could barley sit for the epidural. Plus i must have been group b strep pos then too but didnt know so he would have ended up in nicu for sure as id had bo antibiotics pre birth. He was in overnight as they didnt have enough staff to check his bg at feeds and i couldnt get out bed either so hopefully with a planned section u wont have that either, still really get it tho hope u feel better soon. Not long till ul be cuddling ur baby smile

Gingerbreadpixie Wed 02-Jan-13 23:26:35

Argh! I'm in the old bg rollercoaster this evening sad

Over correct ted a big hypo a few hours ago and now blood is 13.0 and possibly rising. Nightmare! I'm exhausted and just want to sleep but got to get it down. Have injected 2 separate insulin corrections in the past hour but no impact yet. Just downed a couple of pints of water. Lets see if that flushes it

Stressed sad

Hopingforno2 Wed 02-Jan-13 23:31:14

Me too pixie was out for dinner overestimated took too much insulin went to 3.1 had a couple of roses by 10pm it had more than doubled so took a correction now 11.4 want to sleep but cant settle till i know its on the way down

Ugh, hope it works Ginger. You've reminded me to go do another test, was a bit high earlier...

Gingerbreadpixie Wed 02-Jan-13 23:34:31

It's so frustrating!!

Gingerbreadpixie Wed 02-Jan-13 23:40:31

It's on it's way down now - 10.4. The old water trick always helps things along

Bet I blimmin' hypo at 2am now

Hopingforno2 Wed 02-Jan-13 23:54:26

Hope u get a good sleep pixie just hope wen i test in 5 mines is on way down so i can sleep well till 3am wen il check again in case its going low sad

Gingerbreadpixie Thu 03-Jan-13 08:17:19

Hoping - sugars did come down quite quick but then was up peeing every 15 mins. So I'm still exhausted! At least my sugars were good all night though. Can't believe I made such a silly mistake correcting that hypo though. Guzzling lucozade! Thing is I was on my way home from a late shift and always panic more when I hypo out in public. Good job my work colleague was with me

dieciocho Thu 03-Jan-13 08:44:41

Good morning everyone, thanks for yesterday; I am truly glad that I have this little group.

I've also had a crap night, but for slightly different reasons sad.
We've resolved to continuing trying to turn the baby ourselves before mid-next week and then to demand a final scan when I'm being admitted to double-check the position before the force me to sign the consent form.
So, I spent about 5 hours last night researching on the internet and crawling round the bloody flat on my hands and knees!
The cat was terrified smile.
As a result of all this, I hardly got any sleep and my sugars have been affected (must be that University of Leiden research about sleep-deprivation causing highs).

My feelings have now mostly changed from anger to sadness, but I'm managing to mostly keep the tears under control; I've only cried once so far this morning.

I suppose I'm trying to focus on the fact that whatever method is used the baby will be here in a week's time. So, I'm frantically washing the last of the newborn clothes and trying to sort out surfaces of a suitable height for nappy changing and bathing with a fucking massive knife wound across my body.

Mylittlepuds Thu 03-Jan-13 09:22:12

Diec that sounds like a really positive step forward. Get that blimming baby turned! There must be tricks! I'm going to have a little look for you!

Ginger what's the water trick?!

BonaDea Thu 03-Jan-13 09:45:43

Diec - good for you - stranger things have happened than a baby finally deciding to play ball!!

It is not what you want to hear, I know, but one of my best friends had an extremely traumatic vaginal birth first time round and is now trying to persuade me that really there is no other way to go than a c-section!! She reckons her mobility and the healing time were far far less with the section and she was more immediately able to do physical stuff than with a 3rd degree tear. She also successfully breastfed her baby from the off for more than 18 months. All in all a very happy ending to that particular tale.

And: just think - you will look positively beautiful in those first photos, not strained, tired, green and with your hair a mess like most people who've pushed. wink

Ok, I'll shut up now and keep praying for you that Baby D decides to move. Have you got a birthing ball. I think bouncing on that is supposed to help too?

Hopingforno2 Thu 03-Jan-13 09:54:17

Mines was 10.1 when i finally went to sleep and 6.1 at 4am then 4.1 this morning so start of day ok.

diec glad ur feeling a little positive, i dont remember mine hurting that bad after the 1st cpl of days was sent home on paracetomol and an anti inflammatorys. Your just not allowed to lift anything too heavy. Mines was very low and small and is now white tho i know u will worry about it i did for a week afterwards and going on the fact my sister still has problems with her tear after delivering a 6lbs 9oz baby im thinking they may actually be worse, she had a tear inside and out had to be stitched was in pain eveytime she needed to pee.

Gingerbreadpixie Thu 03-Jan-13 11:02:23

puds - I always find drinking down a pint or so of water brings my sugars down pretty quickly if I'm desperate. Obvs the downside is the peeing afterwards!!

GilbyChunks Thu 03-Jan-13 11:02:50

Hi everyone. I've returned to mumsnet, having 'lost' my phone over Christmas. After calling my phone insurance company and waiting for a replacement, it was found under my dad and step mum's sofa. Phew! Had to wait for them to send it to me as they were in Amsterdam for the new year. I've only had the thing for a month!

Anyway, back to the diabetes and babies. Diec I'm so sorry you might not get the birth you wanted, but I just wanted to reiterate the positives of c sections. DD was a cesarean birth, nothing to do with diabetes but because I had a low placenta so there was no way out! She was born at 36w after I had a 4th heavy bleed and was absolutely fine. The midwives and doctors were fantastic and I was able to hold her very quickly. She was also such a beautiful baby as no squashed face or cone head. Not biased of course smile

I breastfed her for 9 months. Took a few days for milk to come in and we did have to do top up feeds from a cup for a week, this was quite nice for DH as it meant he could get involved in feeding. I know lots of people who had to do this and of course lots of people who've had absolutely no problems with feeding after a cesarean. Think in our case it was because DD was quite a sleepy baby (didn't last).

As has already been said, an elective is soooo much easier to recover from then an emergency. In a few weeks time when you have your DC in your arms and they're making gurgle noises and are so in love with you, how they came into the world won't really matter.

I will keep everything crossed though that s/he turns. I'm sure you've already looked into it, but there are a number of yoga positions you can do to try and turn them. Good luck x

Hope everyone else is ok. I really must do some work as DD at her grandparents for the day, will have a read through the last weeks events later.

BonaDea Thu 03-Jan-13 12:47:01

hoping - you should discuss with your DSN, but I think it sounds like your nighttime Levemir is actually too high.

You have dropped 6mmol which is quite a lot overnight, when most people experience a slight rise. It was fine because you went to bed slightly high, but if you had been on target for after dinner (ie 4-7) you would have had a bad hypo.

So, I think you might need to look at your novorapid ratio for dinner, to make sure you are not going to bed too high but then look at reducing your Levemir so that you are not dropping so much overnight. As I said yesterday, Levemir is supposed to keep you steady, not lower your blood glucose.

Mylittlepuds Thu 03-Jan-13 12:57:30

Bona is right re. long acting. It should keep you steady through the night. So go to bed 5, wake up 5. X

Hopingforno2 Thu 03-Jan-13 14:01:03

I will be speaking to her tommorow, i think the drop was due to my correction dose tho rather than my levemir as i took it when i hit 11.4 felt really sick being at that and hate going to sleep high i went to sleep at 10.1 because i knew that it was on the way down and set an alarm for 4am just to make sure it didnt make me crash. As the correction was at 12 im thinking that 4am was wen it would have had maximum effect tho it may be 5 hours the previous night i only dropped from 8.1 to 5.3 from 11pm to 8am anf again had to correct at 9pm so part of it was that i think anyway.

My ds isnt too well today or i would have called her taking him to the gp soon just to be on safe side. He has been complaining of a sore back and tummy off and on since last night an is now running a temp with cold hands and didnt want to sit at table as some very mild sunlight was coming thro (this is what worries me most) in all likelyhood we will be sent home with calpol and told not to be silly but i cant help but worry about him he is usually so lively but actually law down on the floor this morning sad

Hopingforno2 Thu 03-Jan-13 14:01:56


BonaDea Thu 03-Jan-13 14:10:13

Hi Hoping - the correction dose might have been to blame, you are right. You do have to be quite cautious with taking correction doses before bed, especially if your dinner time Novorapid is still working at that point. For me, the peak activity of Novorapid is around the 2 hour mark, so it wouldn't still be bringing me down at 4 hours, but everyone is different.

You're quite right to take DS to the doc - am sure all is fine, but better safe than sorry!

Hoping- hope your ds feels better soon smile

Mylittlepuds Thu 03-Jan-13 15:10:05

Peak of Novo is about 2 hours. If you take long acting at about 10pm it peaks at 3am. x

Hopingforno2 Thu 03-Jan-13 16:31:39

Thanks, yeah dsn said peak 2 hours but still there 4-5 hours. I started taking my levemir at 8pm as was told it starts to work within an hour.

Ds has tonsilitis poor wee guy, ok so non diabetes related question, im at my parents where my docs surgery is and my ds antibiotic is to be kept in a fridge, of course theirs has broken down and new one doesnt come till tommorow. Until i get home ive put it outside tied in a bag any other ideas how to keep it at right temp?

Mylittlepuds Thu 03-Jan-13 17:17:03

Yes it's def there 4-5 hours later too as I often hypo then even if I've had no more insulin!

Outside in bag sounds good bet. Oh bless him :-( Hope he gets better soon Hoping.

Hopingforno2 Thu 03-Jan-13 17:38:55

Thanks Me too, gonna have to go to work sat-mon and i hate leaving him when he isnt well, dp is off sunday which is ok but sat and mon worry me tho he is a bit more perky having just woken up from a nap sad

newbie6 Thu 03-Jan-13 23:40:27

Hi everyone,

So had my appt today at 37 +2 and they examined me and scanned me. Baby has stopped growing according to scan and has dropped from being just above 95th percentile to 65 percentile. Panicked me a bit but they put me on a monitor for a bit and checked cord flow and they are quite happy and think it was just a bad scan and sonographer couldn't get a good measurement?

After being examined, doc told me I am 4/5th engaged, baby's head is in the pelvis but cervix is far back, is that normal?? Doc said it was so they have booked me in for an induction next Thursday. They have told me if induction doesn't move things along after 2 pessaries/attempts they will give me a c section on Friday.

Am so scared I won't be able to do this, I found the examination really painful so how am I going to cope with labour, all seems so scary now that I've been given a date....

On a positive, my BP is fine and control still good and she said my cervix was soft but I am so fecking clueless I have no idea what is good or bad and worrying about the scan and the growth tailing off....

Am back on Mon just so they can check baby is ok and they've told me to keep an eye on movement etc but I'm really scared now about the birth.

I'm so scared something goes wrong or they haven't got the scan wrong, need to give myself a good slap!


Hi newbie that all sounds normal. When the induced me the mw could hardly reach my cervix but it still worked. It's a good sign that it's soft it means it's getting ready. Scans can be pretty inaccurate so I wouldn't worry it's good that the flow is still good. I'm envy that you've made it so far grin

Oh and you can do this! The internals are uncomfortable and painful if they can't reach your cervix. Take any pain relief you need in labour you don't get any prizes for doing it without smile you will be fine

-shakes pom poms for newbie-

Hopingforno2 Fri 04-Jan-13 08:32:58

newbie i have a very post cervix too and internals even early on r painful, dont remember scans being that accurate with ds weight near the end. How exciting your baby will be here by next friday and u will be suprised how well u cope with labour smile

BonaDea Fri 04-Jan-13 09:24:02

newbie - eeeek, how exciting!! It definitely sounds like everything is on track. Although the scan worried them, they have obviously checked and double checked and are happy that all is ok. If not, they would have whipped you in, I'm sure as you are definitely far enough along. OMG in a week's time you'll have your little bundle. The 10 weeks or so I have to go seem like a lifetime!!

Meanwhile, a girl I am quite friendly with at work asked me yesterday if I was sure I wasn't have triplets. Not twins, TRIPLETS. She must think I'm enormous. sad

Mylittlepuds Fri 04-Jan-13 09:48:27

Newbie - just to say I found the internals so uncomfortable that I had gas and air for them!! Far, far worse than the actual contractions in my opinion so please don't take this as your ability to cope with labour. Random women checking your internal bits is not very natural!

Sounds like they have got it all in hand and are watching things closely so do your best not to worry. Eek excited for you!

BonaDea Fri 04-Jan-13 11:23:11

Ladies- quick question from me. Feel silly for not having thought of this before.

I booked NCT classes way back when I found out I was pregnant. I booked them by reference to my actual due date which is 3 April, so I booked an early to mid April class. Of course - DUH - the reality is that my baby will probably be born mid-March, if not earlier. I have just checked out the NCT website and there is a class for mid-to-late March starting in my area NEXT WEEK. I have contacted them to see if there would be any space on the course (doubt it, it is so late in the day).

If they do have space, would you recommend I change? I was just thinking that in the April class, I may well be a whole month ahead of the others, which I guess in tiny baby terms is probably quite significant. Would it be better to be in a class with those who are in reality likely to actually have their babies around the same time as me? Or really doesn't it mattter?

Help! Feel like I have made a stupid mistake!

If you're due 3rd April you will have had your baby by the middle of march so I would change smile

newbie6 Fri 04-Jan-13 13:20:20

Aww thanks everyone, feel better now smile xxx

Hopingforno2 Sat 05-Jan-13 12:32:56

Non diabetes question, how many days should my son still have a fever from tonsillitis? This will be the 3rd day?

Mylittlepuds Sun 06-Jan-13 09:40:03

Hi Hoping - ooh I'm not sure! I would do a bot of Googling smile

With my DS if the temp is any more than 39 I whip him straight to the docs, just to be on the safe side - and plenty of fluids. x

Mylittlepuds Sun 06-Jan-13 09:40:16

* Bit of!

Mylittlepuds Sun 06-Jan-13 09:43:13

How is everyone by the way?

I think I've mentioned this before but having protein at breakfast is definitely making a marked difference to my control.

Toast without eggs = massive spike. Was having 9u for two slices.
Toast with eggs = no spike , just nice and level. And only need 6/7u!

I have noticed it before with my CGM but stopped doing it as was getting a bit sick of eggs. However after reading about a non-diabetic health article about protein at breakfast helping to keep sugar steady I thought I'd give it another go.

Just a thought for those, like me, who struggle with breakfast.


Hopingforno2 Sun 06-Jan-13 10:53:55

Hey puds

I had him at docs who said its tonsillitis and has given him a weeks course of antibiotics and ive been giving him calpol was told could also give him nurofen but he is sick with it sad he was a little brighter last night and got him to eat 4 sausages out of a tin of beans&sausage and a mini muffin later on which is better than nothing.

I havent tried the protein thing i usually only have cereal for breakfast n need 10u myb il have time to make myself something with eggs and/or sausage when ds is better and im not at work lol

How are u doing generally? Ive had a cpl of 9.2 but been fairly stressed out so not beating myself up too much.

Mylittlepuds Sun 06-Jan-13 11:46:03

Glad he was a little brighter. Nothing worse than when they're poorly :-(

9.2 pre meal or 2 hour post meal? 2 hour post meal I'd say was nothing to worry about at all on occasion! 9.2 pre meal I would say is similar to my 12 readings 2 hours post meal if left uncorrected. Just a few won't do any harm :-) If it's more than a few pop on a unit to your ratio.

Hopingforno2 Sun 06-Jan-13 11:49:55

Nope pre meal unfortunatley one i was rushing from clinic to work and yesterday id had to fight ds to take his medicine an hour before dinner so thinking myb stress??

Mylittlepuds Sun 06-Jan-13 11:55:59

Could be stress? That's one thing thank God that doesn't really affect my levels even though I know it can in some people. I'm always bloody stressed!

If it was a one off I really wouldn't worry though. Just if you notice a pattern. x

Hopingforno2 Sun 06-Jan-13 12:58:30

Well also after speaking to dsn on friday she has put my daytime levemir down to 11 for daytime so i guess that may have a slight effect too. Can only do our best and il be able to focus better when ds is better.

Stress can affect mine, as can a even a slight ilness like a cold sad heres hoping im not next for the tonsillitis lol out of interest when do u start your growth scans??

Mylittlepuds Sun 06-Jan-13 13:12:39

Oh God illness definitely affects mine - and tiredness.

Start growth scans in two weeks - I'm interested to see how much the little blighter has grown! What about you?

Hopingforno2 Sun 06-Jan-13 13:17:26

A week on monday smile i'll be 26+4 it will be interesting to see how baby is getting on in there tho at first i was told id be 28 weeks before they started them not been told why im starting early, what reason was given to you? Or is is standard now then for diabetics?

BonaDea Mon 07-Jan-13 09:50:08

I have my first growth scan tomorrow, and I'll be 27+6 (in other words, this is the '28 week' scan). Not sure why they're starting a little early, but it might be to do with clinic day. In 2 weeks time you'd be 28+4, and maybe they'd rather start you before you hit 28 weeks? I guess you could ask them.

puds and hoping - do you feel massive or is it just me?! I hope they're not going to tell me tomorrow that this baby is off the scale!!

Has diec not been over the weekend? Would like to know if she's had any luck turning the baby or getting herself ready for that possible c-section. sad

Gingerbreadpixie Mon 07-Jan-13 10:10:57

Hi, all. Can I ask are any of you having to test frequently through the night? I'm knackered with all the testing! I just don't feel confident enough yet in my new doses to not creep up or go low in the night.

Does this improve as you go along??

BonaDea Mon 07-Jan-13 11:49:46

Hi Ginger. I haven't found that I've been doing this too much.

Which doses are you particularly worried about having changed? If it is your dinner dose of Novo, then why not try to have dinner earlier. I usually eat late (about 8pm or later) but that means I still have Novorapid in my system when I go to sleep which is not great if the result is unpredictable. But if you were to eat at 6pm and go to bed at 10 or a bit later, you would know that all of the Novo is done and dusted and shouldn't cause you to dip, nor would your food cause you to rise really after that time (unless you've had a really fatty meal).

My other tip if you are worrying about lows is to not eat too many carbs with dinner so that you are able to give yourself a more modest dose of Novo than if you eat tons of pasta where you will need a lot. That should help keep you steady and avoid any sudden dips from a whacking great dose (and should avoid highs caused by not having enough).

Levemir really should only take 2 nights to settle once you have adjusted the dose, and that is a maximum. So, if you have adjusted your dose either way you might want to do a 2am test for 2 nights to check all is well, but after that you should be able to relax more.

I know it is hard not to worry about what is going on during the night, but you do need to rest as well. Tiredness is a real culprit in unpredictable levels for me.

If you makes you feel better, I've had a couple of terrible nights. Last night I had a mild hypo before bed (3.8), had a glass of milk to treat it, and then woke up this morning at 11.2 shock. I'm pretty sure I didn't dip down after the hypo, so perhaps I just overtreated. Very annoying. I've now had no food and 8 units of Novo and am still at 9.X. Sometimes it is just a bvgger!

Hopingforno2 Mon 07-Jan-13 12:42:30

Hey bona

I will ask when i go but u may be right also had/have issues with blood in cm. And yes i feel bloody huge esp compared to with my ds but then my mum tells me u get bigger every time so good job all being well i wont be doing it again lol
I was wondering about diec too.

pixie Unfortunatley i know how u feel id say at least 5 days out of 7 im up at 3am testing my bg as its not right going to bed sad

Mylittlepuds Mon 07-Jan-13 13:29:54

Hi all! Oh God I don't know if you've seen my other threads but feeling a bit desperate about this lump under my arm to the point I've made myself sick with worry and my levels have freaked - peaking at 16 after my last four meals. I'm so fed up and petrified I'm going to get bad news at this ultrasound to look at it tommorrow. However nurse says at 24 weeks it might be the baby making my levels go manic not me...

Anyhoo...Pixie my God YES! I was testing 20+ times with first DS and then even more if I'd had a bad hypo to make sure I was going back up. It's exhausting but totally agree with Bona re. lower carb meals to try and curb the amount of Novo and make you worry less about the amounts - and try and work out your ratios.

BonaDea Mon 07-Jan-13 14:26:12

puds - I know it is easier said than done, but try not to worry, they'll sort you out at the ultrasound! I had a lump when I was in my late teens and I was so convinced I had cancer and was going to die. It turned out to be a harmless cyst of course- as yours no doubt is. Just think how much better you'll feel this time tomorrow when you know. Report back!

Nervous about the growth scan tomorrow now - hope all is ok.

Do you get photos at these scans too? That always cheers me up. grin

Hopingforno2 Mon 07-Jan-13 15:11:44

puds not long now till u have it scanned and as bona says its most likely a cycst. Is it in your armpit? Just thinking that it may even be related to hormones? I was told i think when checking ur breasts that u have to check under ur arms too so myb something to do with how they are affected during pregnancy?

bona im sure ur scan will go well keep us posted smile obv not sure about your hospital but we always got a pic with ds and my sister got sent for growth scans nearer the end of her pregnancy and was given pictures.

My xmas present was a 4d scan at babybond smile so all being well we go on thus

Gingerbreadpixie Mon 07-Jan-13 21:40:21

Hi Bona. It's my evening meal. I get home from work at 7:30pm on an "early" shift and gone 9pm on a late. I try to eat at work but don't want microwave food or takeaways every day. I'm still trying to work out my new ratios as things have definitely changed since pg. before pg I used to always go high in the night. I got my levemir evened out but I think I'm still paranoid about being high for 8 hours at night and not knowing

Hopingforno2 Tue 08-Jan-13 08:23:41

Morning all,

puds and bona not that i think you will need it but good luck for today, do keep us posted thanks

Gingerbreadpixie Tue 08-Jan-13 08:28:33

Good luck puds and Bona xx

Mylittlepuds Tue 08-Jan-13 08:57:33

Thank you xxx

BonaDea Tue 08-Jan-13 09:49:52

Thanks, can't wait to see the wriggler! Will report back shortly.

Another bad night - woke up at 12.2 this morning, so gingerbread, I completely sympathise! I took 8 units of Novo as soon as I woke up (my usual correction of 2 units, mulitiplied by my 'breakfast ratio' of 4) and one hour later I was stil 8.9. My morning insulin resistance is really a joke. Shot a further 24 units of Novo to cover my two tiny slices of toast (and two boiled eggs!), and had that insulin more than half an hour before I actually had anything to eat. We'll see where I end up.

Would really like my urine sample not to have zero or only one '+'. Hmmm

BonaDea Tue 08-Jan-13 09:54:23

oops - should have said I want my urine sample to have zero or +!!

Mylittlepuds Tue 08-Jan-13 10:40:00

Bona I'm struggling too the last couple of days - currently 15.8: arrrgghhh! Can't believe how much my breakfast ratios have shot up! All in it together smile

BonaDea Tue 08-Jan-13 11:04:34

Hmmm, think I might have overdone it! Am currently 3.7. Ah well, time for a bit of choccie. Hopefully I can do it just right and not end up high again in half an hour...

puds - it's just nice to know it's not just me!

BonaDea Tue 08-Jan-13 13:36:20

Hi - quick update from scan.

All seems to be doing well. Projected weight is currently in 59th percentile, so definitely not getting too big just yet. Femur and tummy size about the same, only head circumference which was big: 95th percentile! Trying not to imagine a normal-sized baby with a massive head and keep telling myself it is just all brain owing to all the fish I've been eating?! wink Also, fluid was well within normal levels and overall the docs were very happy with everything. Phew!

Still slightly concerned at almost complete lack of MW contact - she took my blood pressure and that was it -with most of the appt dedicated to consultant and then diabetes team. However, going from what you lot have told me, that will follow in the coming weeks as I start to get a bit closer to due date. Consultant confirmed that they will be aiming for 37-38 weeks for induction, which I knew already but it was good to have confirmed.

Oh, and last thing: baby was head down. Really down! Apparently nothing to get excited about as it still has plenty of room to move about and will probably have flipped by next time, but it was quite funny to think of him/her waiting there all ready to go!

Off to be very naughty and buy some delicious crusty roll or other to go with my soup as a treat!

Hopingforno2 Tue 08-Jan-13 14:47:25

bona thats great hope mines goes as well as yours did smile

Gosh i must be a really bad diabetic i usually have sanwiches for lunch so bread most days blush currently takes me 14 units to cover cheese sandwich, crisps and an orange.

BonaDea Tue 08-Jan-13 14:54:53

Not at all hoping - don't feel bad about it if you get away with it! I just meant I was going to have a big, white, crusty roll which would be a bit naughty for me for lunch.

A sandwich, crisps and an orange would cost me around 27 units atm!!

Hopingforno2 Tue 08-Jan-13 16:01:55

bona i had been eating alot more fruit or something sweet and was on around 20u but cut down alot after my eye screen, unless im eating out and/or a fatty meal havent really gone above 24u at a meal time, is this unusual? I would say ive roughly gone up by 5-6 units of novo per meal and levemir pretty much the same as ive always been execpt i was using lantus once a day

BonaDea Tue 08-Jan-13 16:56:20

Everyone is different, I guess. What is important is keeping those levels steady, so if it works, who cares? 5 or 6 units isn't very much. My needs have trebled for most of the day, which means I'm often shooting 24 instead of 8!!

Hopingforno2 Tue 08-Jan-13 17:13:59

I guess it may be because when ttc/pregnant i eat healthier than before and keep a closer eye on bg testing only pre meal is a thing of the past lol it did worry re placenta but my consultant and dsn didnt seem concerned just me being a bit paranoid.

puds how did u get on today?

Anyone know how diec is getting on?

Mylittlepuds Tue 08-Jan-13 18:32:12

It's a cyst!!!!!!!! So, so relieved!! My God. Getting it removed post pregnancy. Thank you for all being so lovely.

Bona that all sounds great! How many weeks are you?

Hopingforno2 Tue 08-Jan-13 19:29:34

puds thats great smile glad ur mind is at rest now

Mylittlepuds Tue 08-Jan-13 19:39:14

It is. I'm going to make sure of it! Thanks Hoping smile

Gingerbreadpixie Wed 09-Jan-13 08:17:46

Hi all. I am really worried. I had 3 big hypos in the night (it was a rollercoaster all night) where I woke up sweating, heart pounding etc. Now I was led to believe that hypos dont hurt the baby but I know overheating can and I'm terrified that all these sweat-drenched hypos have hurt the baby. Does anyone else get hot and sweaty with hypos and everything turned out ok? I'm crying and so scared.

Mylittlepuds Wed 09-Jan-13 09:29:45

Hypos don't harm the baby (I've had enough of them) and for me bad ones affect me in the way you describe. I've read about the overheating thing too but I'm sure that's in relation to exercise or hot baths where the heat is coming from an outside source.

However I think to put your mind at rest it's best to ring the EPU. I have to warn you though that in the early days I went through very similar scenarios (one morning couldn't get sugars up no matter what I did) and the EPU were quite unhelpful and took a very much "we'll have to wait and see stance," if you've had no bleeding or cramps. If you are really worried about it you're going to have to insist. I really don't think you have anything to worry about though - honestly those early days were beset with hypos for me - and I think I speak for the others too. How are you feeling now?

Mylittlepuds Wed 09-Jan-13 10:02:59

Hey ladies - quick advice needed. I have 0.3 ketones on a blood testing kit and I'm feeling thirsty. I'm at work. Is 0.3 okay or something to worry about?


BonaDea Wed 09-Jan-13 10:30:46

Yay for puds! Soooo relieved for you!

Hopingforno2 Wed 09-Jan-13 10:31:04

pixie they told me hypos dont harm the baby more just us in danger.

puds i got told that when not pregnant 0.3 is normal but when pregnant they prefer none, if ur bg is high correct it and drink as much water as you can this usually helps me flush them out within an hour. My dsn said if it went above 0.6 i had to call in.

Gingerbreadpixie Wed 09-Jan-13 10:45:18

Thanks for replies.

Hi, Puds. Pleased for your results yesterday.

I think I will ask for an early scan when I'm at the hospital today. And if they say no I'll ring Fetal Medicine Centre and get a private one.

I think it's really hard to believe that something that makes you feel so dreadful is actually harmless. I've calmed down a bit now though

Mylittlepuds Wed 09-Jan-13 10:49:08

Thanks Hoping - have had loads of water and good to know when I need assistance. x

Ginger I totally know what you mean. I feel dreadful with these ketones and you think "how can't this be bad for the baby?!". Same with hypos. x

BonaDea Wed 09-Jan-13 10:55:17

Right, I am going to admit this to you because I feel it is time I was open and transparent. I have never, EVER, tested for ketones. Not when I'm ill, not when my BG is 12+ (or whenever it is you're meant to test), not never. I've never had a urine test with more than ++ and usually it is zero or + but still I'm sure I should have tested.

I really really hope diec is ok. Can anyone remember which day this week she was supposed to be having her section? Hope she posts soon to update us, let us know what she had and tell us that everything went smoothly.

newbie6 Wed 09-Jan-13 10:55:58

I was told not to call in unless ketones went above 0.6, anything below that was fine - hope that helps! x

Mylittlepuds Wed 09-Jan-13 11:28:43

Thanks ladies! Bona I never test for them either - except for when I KNOW I have them. I feel all icky, hungover but mostly thirsty. But we're not talking normal thirst here - like pre diagnosis thirst. One glass of water after the next after the next. I become panicked, dig out the kit and sure enough I've got them. Other than when I feel like I've got them I never test. Hope that settles you!

Right down to 0.1 now. Always when I'm at bloody work! Always!

Was her section planned for this week Bona? Oh God really hope she's okay.

Hopingforno2 Wed 09-Jan-13 12:11:19

puds they will be completely gone soon then smile i never prior to this pregnancy tested either, in fact with ds it wasnt even mentioned it was a dsn at clInic this time round that gave me a new meter and told me to.

I was asking about diec yesterday really hope she and baby r ok and cant wait to hear about baby.

BonaDea Wed 09-Jan-13 12:41:02

Yep, last week she posted to say that unless the baby turned at the last minute they were planning a section for this week. Might be tomorrow.

Diec - if you are out there let us know you are well!

Gingerbreadpixie Wed 09-Jan-13 12:46:27

I rarely ever test for ketones either, tbh. It did occur to me yesterday, looking at the unopened box of ketostix in our bathroom that I ought to from time to time.

I haven't during this pg so far, though I'm only 6 + 4.

Mylittlepuds Wed 09-Jan-13 16:07:38

Oh dear...I've 'had to' take just 4u with a icing topped cupcake as have run out of insulin and I'm at work...SHIT!

BonaDea Wed 09-Jan-13 16:52:33

bvgger. these things these happen. go for a walk!?

I've only ever tested for ketones when I've had a sickness bug so not for over ten years (get me!) touch wood wink

I hope diec is ok too and all you other ladies smile this newborn + toddler stuff is hard work. Luckily dd is at nursery two mornings (with Lawrence fox and Billie pipers son dontcha know wink) anyway I don't know if it's because I'm tired or stressed or what but I'm really not hungry these days, making controlling the diabetes a bit easier, especially as I can't be bothered to think about it right now!

Mylittlepuds Wed 09-Jan-13 17:10:21

Weirdly not too bad...yet! Will be going for a walk if things get bad!

Oooh Spotty you have celeb connections! What's the goss then?

Blimming heck I wish I wasn't hungry. How is life with newborn and toddler? I have to say I'm slightly very much so shitting it!

They are nice enough, always look like they've just got out of bed!

I'm not going to lie it's pretty hard! Only because I'm tired though and I can't sleep in the day! My saviour has been play doh and having dd's toys all in boxes so I can swap them over every now and then and get 'new' toys out smile

Mylittlepuds Wed 09-Jan-13 19:28:04

Let's just say I think Mickey Mouse Clubhouse is going to be on A LOT come April...

Oh these celebs are always trying to work the 'just rolled out of bed couldn't care less look'. Bet they spend hours trying to achieve it! wink

Where are you Diec!

Just had my first 'argh ds is feeding and needs changing but my sugar is low and dp has gone out' moment! Fixed with some love hearts!

It's already getting easier with two, going out is the hardest and I do shout more than I would like blush but we're getting there!

Mylittlepuds Wed 09-Jan-13 19:38:57

Spotty I'm gonna need tips! Did you need to get a double buggy?

We didn't bother as dd is two and a half. I have a buggy board and reins and a sling so we can swap if need be but she really doesn't use a buggy anymore. She's actually been really good and hasn't said anything negative about ds smile apparently she talks about him at nursery all the time smile

newbie6 Thu 10-Jan-13 00:00:59

Hi all,

Just to say I'm being induced tomorrow so may be off radar for a bit but will post as soon as I can. I am absolutely terrified but praying everything will work out fine, will be 38 weeks plus 3 so bambino should be fine to come out, just need my body to be tricked into thinking that too

Good luck to everyone else having contractions or sections or inductions and I can't thank you all enough for your support and laughter, couldn't have got through all this without you lovely lot!


Ooh good luck newbie! Maybe you can race diec gringringrin

Hopingforno2 Thu 10-Jan-13 08:02:40

Good luck newbie smile cant wait to hear about you and baby x

Good luck newbie smile well done on getting so far! envy grin Looking forward to hearing news of the newest baby of the thread thanks

Mylittlepuds Thu 10-Jan-13 10:09:36

Good luck Newbie! Arrrgghh nervous for you but in nice way! Looking forward to hearing all the details smile

BonaDea Thu 10-Jan-13 11:03:36

Tried to post a while ago but the site crashed.

Good luck newbie - wish I was where you are, not sure that I can stand another ten weeks of waiting wink. Let us know how it goes!

dieciocho Thu 10-Jan-13 17:00:24

Hello everyone (goodbye for a bit newbie and huge hugs),
Just to update you all: I am now a mummy!shock

Violet was born on Monday afternoon by semi-emergency caesarean (yes, I fought the bastards doctors to the bitter end, but to no avail. She still hadn't turned, my waters were low and early contractions had begun, so they were too afraid to wait any longer.) sad
She's pretty healthy, despite being 3 1/2 weeks early (for EDD). We spent our first night in High Dependency and both had to monitor our BGs regularly.
She's pretty weeny: 3.14kgs, so not many of our lovely inherited clothes fit her!
Breastfeeding is not working because she's so small and a wee bit under-developed. I'm expressing colostrum for daytime feeds, but she's having formula feeds during the night. Not ideal I do know and I'm searching for any support I can find. Hopefully the arrival of my real milk in the next few days will mean she feeds better.

In short, the birth was horrible (luckily I have some grey areas, so I'm trying to forget it), but holding her, having her with us, is hard, but amazing.

Congratulations diec! Lovely name smile are they tube feeding her? Hope you're recovering ok thanks

Mylittlepuds Thu 10-Jan-13 18:09:17

Awwww congratulations Diec!!! So pleased for you that she's safe and sound - and what a lovely, lovely name!

Becoming a mum is a real journey and adventure - looking at DS now (currently pulling stuff over) I can't believe he's grown from a tiny little baby to a little person who thinks he's counting in his PJs and wellies (doo, dee, dor, dee, da is one to five.) I for one have found it an absolute shocker to come to terms with being a mum but I wouldn't change it. They are little miracles!

Welcome to the world little Violet our second thread baby! Yay!


Hopingforno2 Thu 10-Jan-13 18:29:02

Aww diec huge congratulations!! violet is a lovely name so glad u are both well and agree with puds enjoy the newborn time it passes soo quickly.thanks

dieciocho Thu 10-Jan-13 18:30:31

spotty, no, no tube feeding - not even sure what that is! We're home now, so I'm using syringes, but it's not easy/quick/satisfying for her. Hence our cheating at night...

Hopingforno2 Thu 10-Jan-13 18:32:58

Im just out my 4d scan but baby was not playing ball at all, breech position legs over head basically curled up in a ball lol ive to go back in 2 weeks time so fingers crossed moved or at least showing face by then!!

Ah ok I'm with you! Hole you're getting help with the feeding? Glad she didn't need SCBU smile

Congrats Diec grin and welcome to the world baby Violet!

It can take a little while to get feeding sorted, esp when they're early. I did manage to BF both mine for a year, but with DS, who was born at 31 weeks, it took a good couple of months to get properly established, and we continued mix feeding him for the first 6 months as he needed fattening up (not something you normally say about our babies, that - he was 1.6kg at birth, compared to DD's 4.3kg!). So keep persevering, there's lots of support around if you need it - La Leche League, NCT BFing support line, local BF drop-in groups etc etc.

BonaDea Fri 11-Jan-13 10:22:00

Diec - congratulations! We've all been wondering about you all week and so glad to hear that Baby Violet is here safe and sound. Beautiful name!

Feeding sounds tricky, but it does sound like you are getting there and no doubt as Violet gets bigger and your milk comes through you will both be fine with it!

I have just booked to see a London-based private lactation consultant at the 36 weeks mark (I think you are in London too?) Obviously I haven't met her yet, but she seems lovely and has experience of helping diabetic women. There are three of them who work together, and I'm seeing the one called Siobhan Pearce - website here: http://www.breastfeedinglondon.co.uk/#/about-us/4558615712

I think it's £70 for an initial home visit of 1.5 hours, so it might be well worth you doing that?

dieciocho Fri 11-Jan-13 17:43:32

And the milk's in! shock

Yay! If you're really engorged and Violet is having trouble latching then hand express a bit off. Hope you have a good bra and plenty of tissues for those weepy moments grin

Mylittlepuds Fri 11-Jan-13 19:53:41

Yay! Do you look like Pammy A?

Do you lot ever get a but depressed about diabetes? Like you can never truly relax or be off guard? It really gets me down sometimes. Days are the worst as I feel so hectic with my DS and low blood sugars are just another thing to worry about and stop me totally letting go when at soft play or whatever. I suffer from anxiety and i'm sure it's related to the diabetes.

Mylittlepuds Fri 11-Jan-13 19:54:09

* bit

I have something called CMT it totally over shadows the diabetes tbh!

Mylittlepuds Fri 11-Jan-13 20:03:47

Wow now that's a condition I'd never even heard of! Just had to Google it. Are you badly affected Spotty?

Well I can walk but I can't run really grin

Mylittlepuds Fri 11-Jan-13 20:42:18

Oh hope you're not in too much pain Spotty. It's funny as I've been so stressed this last few weeks about the know under my arm that diabetes took a back seat then for a bit...perhaps I need this baby to come along so I don't have time to worry about it anymore!

Hopingforno2 Fri 11-Jan-13 21:12:20

spotty id never heard of it either and hope yours isnt too severe well done u for coping with 2 conditions and a baby!

puds yes i do have days i feel really sorry for myself, i know there are people much worse off than i am but cant help it at times i just wish i could jump in the car without testing, go to sleep without worrying about what my bg is or even just eat whatever whenever.

Mylittlepuds Fri 11-Jan-13 22:02:17

I know there are SO many worse off. And I don't mean to sound moany - I just find that constant 'on watch' feeling so tiring. I just want to forget about it and enjoy my life! I also have real fears about taking too much insulin and serious hypos. I have talked to counsellors about it as well as obviously friends and famil but they all just say 'well nothing's happened so far has it?'. No because i have to be so bastard careful! If i was more laid back then it could for sure as im so sensitive to insulin. And the fact nothing has happened doesn't mean today isn't the day when it could. I literally feel I take my life in my hands every day. Have I let this get out of proportion? Sorry to sound so depressing but I know that you lot will kind of understand where I'm coming from where non diabetics can't.

puds have you ever looked at getting a pump? Anxiety and fear of hypos is one of the NICE criteria for getting one, at least it was last time I looked! Just wondered whether you'd consider something like that if it would help you fine tune things so that you're more confident about things? It's hard work to start with, but once you have your basal levels sorted you can eat/not eat as the fancy takes you and it will (should) have no effect on your blood sugars due to the infinitely adjustable basal.

I used to get really frustrated because despite everything when I was on MDI my control was shocking - A1c of 9% ish for years. Having a pump is the only way I could ever have considered starting a family, and I'm so thankful to have one - I've had it for nearly 9 years now, they'll have to fight me for it if they ever want it back grin As a result of the pump I'm actually much less stressed now than I used to be, which leads to better sugars anyway because I'm not so stressed - it's a virtuous circle.

Hopingforno2 Fri 11-Jan-13 23:30:49

puds i push it to the back of my mind as much as i can but i worry that im losing my hypo signs i was 1.8 today and managed to walk in to kitchen to eat pre pregnancy i could barely function below 3.8 which makes me worry il die in my sleep! Im equally scared to be running high incase i go blind or lose a limb or damage my liver/kidneys etc etc i feel i cant win. Does the cgm have any sort of alarm for when you go below/above a certain level??

rue do u find the pump interferes with anything? Like how u sleep, what u wear etc?

dieciocho Sat 12-Jan-13 07:46:54

Remember, we're not diabetic, we have diabetes - I heard that once as a teenager and it stuck. Basically, don't let it define you or take over your life.

Yep, gorgeous new boobs. Must be an E cup now (C pre-pregnancy)

I'm ok it is what it is smile

I would love a pump but definitely don't meet the criteria!

dieciocho Sun 13-Jan-13 06:52:51

Ok, I know my milk's only been in for 72 hours, but I've noticed that I'm averaging 2 MASSIVE hypos in each 24-hour period. I mean below 2mmol.
(At 11am yesterday I was 1.4) shock
I'm just not catching them despite testing more than I was during my pregnancy.
It means that twice a day poor DP essentially has 2 "babies" to deal with for 1-hour-long periods.

Any advice?

Diec how much have you reduced your levemir by and what ratios are you working on for your novorapid?

Oh and what was it before

Mylittlepuds Sun 13-Jan-13 09:48:18

Diec - I'd try and let your diabetes take a back seat for now and run yourself higher. Have you gone back to 1u per 10g? I'd start with that.

Thanks for all your advice on my diabetes doldrums!! My nurse DSN is a specialist in pumps and so I'm going to enquire. Given the nature of my anxiety I've always avoided one thinking it would make me worry more but thanks to the advice I'm gonna do some researchin' x

Diec - cut your insulin to about 75% of pre-pregnancy levels, and make sure that you have a snack as well as a drink every time you bf. it will get easier. AND it won't hurt LO to occasionally have to wait for their feed while you sort yourself out.

Puds - don't forget if you get a pump and try it, and decide you hate it, there's nothing to stop you just giving it back and reverting to MDI. I think they're brilliant, but they don't work for everyone. Research is a good plan though, happy to answer any questions if I can smile

I was told 1u/15mg and to aim between five and ten. I've been eating pretty much what I like with minimal insulin and my levemir has gone from 26 (split) to 18 (split)

Mylittlepuds Sun 13-Jan-13 10:22:19

I'd lower your long acting further too Diec. I've found if I get that 2u or so higher than I need I'm hypoing all day with minimal effort. Think of all that milk your body needs in the night - and how much busier you are in the night too! And perhaps go back to not splitting it?

Are you needing loads of water as soon as your let down happens?!

I bf DS for 10 months and was in a constant state of hypo really. It was no good. I'd been so used to being controlled within an inch if my life I never really let go of that. This time with a toddler and a new baby I'm going to run high - like just below 10 - even if that means a shitty HBA1c for a year or so. I refuse to run around like a headless chicken! I'm sure plenty of cheeky type one teens have been high for a few years to no ill effect.

Mylittlepuds Sun 13-Jan-13 10:22:57

* if you are splitting it that is

puds my consultant always tells me to run above 8 for at least 3 months, to regain my hypo awareness (which, to be fair, has hung around longer this time than it did the last 2 times!). Tricky when BFing but a fab reason to eat cream cakes whenever I fancy grin

...and I forgot to say, I'm officially exactly 20 weeks today, hurrah! Scan next Monday, heart scan a week on Friday, somewhere between 16 - 18 weeks to go...

Gingerbreadpixie Sun 13-Jan-13 17:14:00

Hello all smile

I've got a DECS eye screening tomorrow and I wondered if its safe to have the eye drops in pregnancy (7wks) or if I should insist on having it without the drops?

I have had a screening without drops before and they got a good clear picture. But I'm having it done at a different hospital this time. I assume the screening is safe in pregnancy but am being very wary with any medication.

Mylittlepuds Sun 13-Jan-13 17:15:51

That's really interesting Rue - well there, I have it from an official source! I'm going to stuff the diabetes once this baby is here and hopefully the bfing will keep me from going too ridiculous. As long as I'm under 10 I'll be happy.

Ah another milestone Rue - I'm not that far ahead at 25 weeks. Where I'd been quite slim I now feel enormous! And my appetite (particularly for choccy and ice cream) has gone through the roof...the baby must need it...