Hi. I think I am about 6 weeks gone and started light spotting two weeks ago (never red or heavy, just light brownish). I went to the GP and got an early ultrasound. We saw a gestational sac that was pretty small and they couldn't accurately date it or commit whether it was ok one way or the other. They told me to come back in two weeks for another ultrasound. The scan is on Wednesday. I have carried on the same light brownish spotting in the same way every now and then, but am having good preg symptoms like bigger boobs, smelling more, a bit of nausea, bloating etc. Have also been doing about 2 pregnancy tests a day which are still positive. Has anyone got any thoughts/advice?? I am so worried - we've been trying for 1 1/2 years and I thought this is it, but it still seems so uncertain . . . .

OOooooh - it's very quiet in here! Is everyone still around? I've got another gynae appointment today - I should be 8+3, and am starting to panic that it's going to be bad news like last time.

How's everyone else doing?

7 weeks tomorrow
Booking appointment with midwife next Wednesday when I'll be 8 weeks, should I ask her if I can get an early scan do you think, or should I just wait?

Hi, I'm new here. Just tested this morning! and got a BFP. Not quite 4 weeks as I have a 26 day cycle, so I'm 3 weeks and 5 days! Have one DS aged 3 and 3 months, and have previously had a mmc at 10wks 2days, so I'm not getting my hopes up too far just yet.

Cor this thread dropped off for a bit time for a ressurection I think.

How is everyone? How are our lovely new ladies doing?

How is everyone today?
I am 6+1 today so starting to feel a little more confident... MC was at 6 and a half weeks so not out of the woods yet by any means but somehow it all feels better this time, it's hard to explain.

~Thanks Quirky

Hi BottySpottom congratulations on your bfp. Fingers crossed for a sticky little bean for you. Nothing wrong with older mums, just wish the docs/medical profession would agree with me!

Totally bricking it. Not least because when/if the baby arrives, I will be nearly 45 . I had missed mc between 2nd and 3rd child and am almost expecting the same again .

Thanks quirkychick. It is nice to know that there are others out there who are going through or who have gone through the same thing well done to everyone who has past the 12 week mildstone!!

Welcome Sammy842 and congratulations. I think you just have to take it a bit at a time there are plenty of us to hold your hand. You might have gathered that some of us are past the first 12wks but there are also some newer pgs.

Hi all. I am 4+3 weeks pregnant after I miscarried at 10 weeks in May. I am so happy but very very scared!!!!! I think I will just stay at home and not move for another 8 weeks unless I need to eat or go to the toilet!! Hope everyone else's pregnancies are going well. Love to all x

*Happy Bump* I don't know about being a fab mummy I'm just trying to make up for all the cbeebies we've had while I've felt crap/DD's been ill. I had to promise we would come back and have waffles and ice-cream another time!

Dorset is very pretty, I'm originally from Hampshire also green hills and rolling countryside. It is a really different landscape to Norfolk, though: flat,wide spaces and poppy fields this time of year.

My keyboard has really had it now it won't do bold or smileys.

Amyboo - I am actually from Dorset (across the border!) but my parents 'emigrated' to Somerset about 15 years ago. Both places are equally lovely and also make lovely icecreams .... oh yum!

OOoh I'm originally from Somerset! I really miss it sometimes. My parents moved to the the Languedoc-Roussillon area a few years ago. It's lovely there - sunny, dry and they have a pool - but sometimes I miss going home to the rolling green fields of Zummmmerzet.

jardins I forgot to say it sounds perfect where you live. Lucky, lucky you! My parents are in Somerset and I have to say it is very pretty where they are. So looking forward to fresh air ... and at the moment I so don't care if it's pouring with rain, we'll get our wellies on and start splashing in puddles.

jardins oh thank you for thinking of me, yes, I hope I will still get onto MN whilst I'm away, if I can remember the password!

quirky what a great mummy you are, waffles and ice-cream ... of course it was all for your daughter, I bet you didn't have any

Fingers crossed for you amyboo.

jardins we have just skyped my parents in Charente-Maritime it is scorching there!

I have just taken my DD to a cafe to eat waffles and ice-cream! I am storing up on mummy/daughter time this summer holidays before she has to share me with dc2. Making the most of it while it lasts.

My smileys are definitely not working, I will have to experiment with the keyboard and see if I've pressed something I shouldn't.

Oh HappyBump will you still have access to Mumsnet whilst at your parents? Which part of the country do they live in?

We are so blessed with the weather here in Touraine. Between 27 and 33°C; sunny and breezy. It is so nice to be surrounded by rolling countryside, greenery, gardens, rivers; sigh! Apparently it rains loads in winter so I'm storing up on sun vitamins for now!!

I just had my first gynae appointment. There was a noticeable but minescule bean-to-be -measuring 1.2mm! Apparently it's OK for the dates, but they won't really know until I have a scan after my holidays. In any case, seeing as I had a perfect scan at 10 weeks last time and still had a mc, I don't think I'm going to stop uncrossing my fingers until somewhere around the end of September!

hello!
Talking of amnio's etc. I was watching a tv show last night (Private Practice) where the star doc does an amnio ... I was petrified, she was busy chatting away with the patient and barely looking she made it look so easy. Fortunately, everything was fine (phew!) but I was really worried for the baby and was shouting at her to watch what she was doing .

I really do think I need to get out of the house more ...

Other than that, all fine here it has got crazy hot - now it's 45 degrees!, am on some antibiotics for a UTI but I don't seem to have any noticeable symptoms which is good. I am flying to the UK on Monday and really can't wait for me and DS to spend some time with my parents in the nice green countryside. Yippeee

Hmm, it worked, have you spilled tea on your keyboard or anything to make your keys go funny?

testing the for you

Bettymum I had a dream about huge needles the other night. Pregnancy dreams can be very vivid can't they? I'm sure mine are partly to do with the fact I often have to eat something late at night to stop me feeling faint/sick. Still waiting for the sick/tired thing to properly go.

Anyone else's smileys not working, just the word comes up without []s?

Thanks quirkychick, that was an interesting article.
I had a dream about miscarrying last night, then I woke up and thought phew, it was just a dream.

Bettymum it is here the whole thing is quite interesting as a different point of view. The table at the bottom has the information, although more ds found quite a few "healthy" ones lost. It would be interesting to know what the risks given for the healthy mcs were.

quirkychick do you have a link to that article? I also cannot imagine losing a healthy baby due to the amnio.
I'll be 5 weeks tomorrow, starting to feel a little more positive!

Dear jardins thank you for your post. I am feeling a little drained tbh I think I will feel better about it once I have phoned the consultant tomorrow with a definite answer. Dp found an interesting article about how many babies without ds are lost each year due to amnios. As a friend said to me it is a crap dilemma. If my risk had stayed at 1/101 I would almost definitely have had the amnio. Looking forward to being able to relax a little in this pg and start to bond with the bump which was hesitant to do.

Dear Quirkychick I'm so pleased you've managed to reach a decision you are both comfortable with. Obviously I didn't want to influence you either way but it looks like we've reached the SAME decision based on the same point: I too know this pregnancy is my last chance and I would not, I believe, have managed to live with myself if I had been the 1 in 200 who did lose a (healthy) baby after an amnio. It's not easy to decide, is it? How are you feeling now?

I had my first midwife appointment: 1 and a half hours! Gosh. Very thorough! She asked me if I had opted for the amnio and when I explained to her our decision to do the 18 week scan she said that she understood completely our mindset. Very reassuring.

How is everyone else faring? Thandeka? Have you had your results yet? HappyBump? Has anyone heard from FlyingCloud and Joy? How are the newer ladies feeling?

Have taken to swimming one or twice a week, mainly to help my back muscles from becoming to tense and also because it is so nice to feel like you want to be active again after those first three months!!!!

We've pretty much decided not to go ahead with the amnio as the risk of mc is higher than the risk of ds. The consultant was helpful but obviously they can't make the decision for you. I will need to phone tomorrow to let him know we've decided not to as he's keeping a space open for us. Basically, my nuchal was still normal even if the high side of normal which made my results:
nuchal 1/101,
bloods 1/500
combined 1/224
If the amnio was risk free we would have done it, no question, but dp and I agree that we would be devastated if it was negative and we lost the baby. It's probably my last chance to have dc2 and I would like to live with the lowish risk and start to enjoy my pg.

Thanks for everyone's support it has been really helpful. If anyone else is in amnio dilemma I can't recommend the ARC helpline (Antenatal Results and Choices) enough.

Sounds like some tough choices to make quirkychick. Hope you manage to decide what to do.

Sorry to hear about the bleeding wlg - that must have been really worrying for you. Glad it's stopped though, and I hope you're feeling less sick soon.

I've got to the hungry stage it seems, but thankfully the nausea doesn't seem to have kicked in yet. I'm 5+4 today and my main symptom is that my boobs have grown enormous! I've gone up two cup sizes already! Where will it end? Seeing the gynae tomorrow, who will hopefully give me a scan to check everything's OK. Fingers crossed.

Hi HappyBump thanks for your support. I talked to a lovely lady from ARC (Antenatal Results and Choices) which was very helpful, objective and informative. Basically, only an amnio can give me a definite result, marker scans are not scientifically robust, the NHS are thinking of recommending the cut off becomes 1/150 to prevent as many false positives. We are definitely moving towards being ok with ds risk but the consultant is ringing us tomorrow so I haven't made the final decision yet.

Hi WLG I'm glad all sounds well. By the way it was Thandeka that provided the stats ... she's the font of all knowledge when it comes to things like this.
NGNL good luck for your scan on Thursday. It is a complete roller coaster. Your DH sounds like he is being very sweet but maybe having a difficult time too like yourself. Mine just kept saying to me it will be fine don't be silly ... he's been right so far, touch wood, so maybe I was silly
willitbe I so hope that it will be for you.
quirky how you holding up?

<waves to everyone else>

Hi. Thanks for the statistic HappyBump it made me feel a lot better. Haven't had anymore bleeding so hopefully it was a one off. My nausea is through the roof again which is very annoying. Just hoping I will be one of the ones who gets a break after week 12. Hope everyone else is doing ok.

Hello everyone, hope you all had a nice weekend.
jardins yours must have been quiet!
westlondongirl hope you managed to rest after your eventful Friday.
NGNL I know what you mean, I told three of my friends on Friday - we were having a girly dinner and one of them asked if we were trying for another - so I said well actually I've just had a positive test! But then I told them about the MC as well. I think it should be more open but it's a painful thing to talk about and it's up to the individual to decide if they want to talk or not. Personally I did find it helpful to hear about others' experiences. I hope your scan on Thurs brings good news.
willitbe I'm crossing everything for you.

Best of luck ladies. Fingers crossed for you all.

I'm 6+5 today, have decided to tell a good few of my gang of mums as a kind of counter-counter jinx. not going to let previous MMC ruin joy of this one; also personally think we could do with talking about MC more openly as found it a great help after mine. however, haven't told grandparents as don't want them to be disappointed...

DH goes the other way though - he doesn't really want to acknowledge pregnancy till 2nd trimester. fair enough, but it's kinda weird cos am knackered and v nauseous and he's being very caring, but not mentioning the cause...

very excited, but also petrified. have a private scan on thurs, but think should cancel as actually scared to go in case I see another empty sac.

I'm contradicting myself all over the place. on a roller-coaster.

ozbride - I have just had the tests for recurrent miscarriage, having had 3 in a row. It basically consisted of loads of blood being taken. Multiple different blood tests for me, looking for blood clotting disorders etc, and also blood taken from my dh too to look at our genetic match! checking to see if we have DNA genetics that could cause repeated genetic issues to cause miscarriage. I have to wait til september to get the results. In the meantime here I am waiting to see if this pregnancy might make it.

Hi, can I come and rejoin you all. I am 4weeks 5 days so far, and after 3 previous early m/c since November last year, I am not surprisingly unconvinced that this time will be any different.

It is good to read that several here have been getting sucessful scans etc. Congratulations on getting so far.

Thankdeka - congrats on your scan.

Quirkychick - it is tough to make decisions over amnios, hope you get all the advice you want from the doc.

Westlondongirl - wow, what a way to have a booking appointment, but glad you got all the reassurance you needed.

Thandeka congratulations on your scan.

HappyBump (also on Jan thread) I was told I didn't need to hurry to make a decision, I think you can have an amnio quite late if you want. I will try to phone the consultant I saw on Tues when he is back and see if I can find out his miscarriage rates to weigh that up against the ds risk. I have been quite calm today as I decided that I would try to put aside my decision to mull it over. I could also pay to get the amnio results in a few days rather than a few weeks.

Thanks for everyone's support.

Congrats Thandeka, so pleased for you.

WLG I am glad the outcome was so positive and that you managed to get to see your baby! I'm also suffering a bit from heartburn although not too badly yet (I remember from my pregnancy with DS it got much worse at the end). I found that drinking very cold milk helped (I actually drink a probiotic milky yogurt drink called Laban, but I don't think its available in the UK) - I usually hate milk and can hardly even bear to smell it let alone drink it, however in pregnancy I find I can tolerate it much better.

quirky I posted on the Jan thread, but thinking of you. When do you need to tell them by?

jardins I agree the best part of pregnancy is the baby movement, I have to admit when that happens for real (it didn't happen with DS until 23 weeks) I felt so secretly special and fortunate to be able to have this life experience. oh dear getting all soppy

Happybump- very touched you remembered my scan. Had my nuchal today (get results in post) and bean was dancing away and is possibly a girl (secret yay- but trying not to fixate on that for definite incase a clear appendage is seen at 20 week scan!). El Bumpo (as my friend Jo calls it) is now 7cm and very cute so am very happy! Phew.

Westlondongirl- how handy it happened at the hospital (obviously less stress if it hadnt happened at all but yay for it being good news) your risk of MC is now 0.6% if that helps? (10 weeks with a heartbeat- according to MC association).

Quirkychick keep us posted on your thought processes- guess this is the next dilemma we all go through.....

How is everyone else doing?

I have posted on the Jan 2010 thread too. I got my combined results today which put me on 1/224 which is just inside the 1/250 limit. So, now I have to decide if I want an amnio with a 0.5% miscarriage risk or I'm happy that the risk is low enough. I will take the weekend to think over the results and chat to some friends in RL who have been in similar situations.

On a happier note, jardins I think I can sometimes feel the baby moving too .

Hi All. Just went for my booking appointment today. They were running late so I waited. Went to the loo and discovered a brown/red discharge and was convinced I was having a miscarriage. They shipped me off to A&E & then to the EPU where I was scanned - fortunately it was good news & could see heartbeat & it moving around. I am nearly 10 weeks now so lord knows what the bleeding was? I had bleeding at 5/6 weeks also which I though was implantation bleeding but the midwife said that the bleeding today was probably that. Very odd that it happened at the hospital but glad I was there. It's all so nerve racking trying to reach the 12 week mark. I'm suffering with such bad sickness, heartburn & insomnia that I feel emotionally drained. Hope all you ladies have a relaxing weekend. Am going to try and rest!

Amyboo I shouldn't worry about a little brown discharge at 5 weeks. It is, more than likely, implantation bleeding. I had mine at 4 weeks. If it's any consolation I had a little brown mucus (tmi) at 9 weeks which turned out to be nothing at all.

Thanks HappyBump for your post: I will switch to the January thread presto pronto. How are you feeling? My nausea has virtually disappeared! Amazing. Sometimes I even wonder if I'm still pregnant I feel almost normal!!

I've just taken my children for a boat trip on the Loire. It was lovely. Tomorrow my husband is taking them to his parents for the week-end: it will be the first time in months that I will have time to myself. Imagine my joy, although I will miss them of course

I'm almost at 15 weeks and I really think I can feel the baby moving a little. Not always. This is my favourite part of being pregnant.

amyboo I have had bleeding and brown discharge in both pgs. Tmi alert: this time round I had heavy red bleeding (so heavy I could feel it gush) at 7wks and went to gynae ward for early scan. Later, I had brownish discharge at 11wks but had scan coming up a few days later so thought I might as well wait. If it's gone would just mention to gynae as you are going anyway. If it comes back or gets worse perhaps contact midwife/gp. Fingers crossed for you.

Thanks bettmum. It seems to have stopped now, so I'll keep an eye over the weekend incase it comes back or changes to bright red. I hope it might have been implantation.

Glad to hear you've got some symptoms showing and are still getting lines. I haven't done another test, but figure the gynae will do one on Wednesday anyway. I know what you mean about the hunger and tiredness. I feel exhausted - all I want to do is sleep [yawn emoticon]

Hi amyboo I think that it's quite normal - I guess all you can do is wait and see if you get any more or it gets redder.
I managed to read the whole thread last night, it's obviously been a roller coaster for a lot of people. Lots of sad stories but lots of happy news too.
I found myself doing another pregnancy test last night, the line is still faint but they're cheapie tests. I just so want to stay pregnant! I feel better about this one than the last one for some reason, so fingers crossed it will be sticky.
I already have the pregnancy hunger, I had to have my elevenses at 10am . Other than that I'm just t i r e d.
Hope everyone is well today.

Can I ask some advice? When I woke up this morning I had a bit of brownish discharge (sorry tmi) when I wiped. It seems to be very light, but is definitely brownish. I'm 5 weeks today and am now worrying myself stupid that I could be having another mc or it could be a chemical pregnancy... With my previous pregnancy, I had an implantation bleed about 5 days after af was due, but I haven't had anything this time. Could the brown discharge be that? I can't get an appointment with my gynae till Wednesday, so I'm panicking. Did anyone else experience this?

Thanks Bettymum for your post about your experience with amnio. Sounds like it was quite stressful. Good to hear everything all ok in the end.

jardins it's really hard making the decision regarding amnio. I had a very very high risk with DD. We went for a nuchal, and it looked fine, but we did decide to go for an amnio to be sure. I think it was more stressful for DH than for me, and it must have been stressful for DD too as her heart slowed right down which apparently is NOT at all normal. We ended up spending the afternoon in the hospital having hourly scans to make sure the heartbeat was going back up. DH was beside himself with worry. Eventually we went home and rested and knitted a woolly hat for the baby as it seemed like a positive thing to do. The results came quite quickly and they were fine. DD is now the most adorable of adorable things in the hat I knitted that day .

thandeka good luck for your scan tomorrow?

bettymum happy shopping! I bought quite a few of my DS's first birthday presents from there last year. Luckily we had restricted luggage allowance (and budget) so I was able to leave some stock for other buyers.

jardins I've posted for you on the jan thread ... but I am relieved for you.

How is everyone else? it's very quiet these days?

jardins thanks for your message. I'm glad you've made your decision, it is much easier when you know where you are even it it's not 100%. Must go as we're taking DD to see Billy Goats Gruff at Puppet Theatre. x

Quirkychick I'm sure you'll be ok. I'm thinking of you.

I'll probably post on the January thread too. jar I've had a hard time of it: making decisions is always tricky, isn't it? The midwife I spoke to admitted that the results were confusing and that she would take into account the blood test 'high risk' which would indicate need for an amnio BUT she agreed my nuchal fold scan result was excellent (1.09) and that these results incorporated my age which automatically put me at 1/59. So none the wiser. I was all set to decide for the amnio when my husband called me from work. He had kindly called the doctor who had performed the ultrasound at 12 weeks. This doctor said that the odds were the same between 1/189 and 1/200 (of miscarriage following the amnio). He suggested giving me an appointment at 17/18 weeks for the anomally scan, which would give me another chance at doing the amnio IF NEEDS BE. This is the option we are taking. Basically I will get the results of the scan at the same time as I would be getting the result of the amnio (minus the weeks of worrying about risk of mc). I feel so much more serene altho of course nothing is 100% but that, in my humble opinion, is pregnancy for you. Thank you for your support. Let me (us) know how you get on.

jardins I hope you've managed to talk through your results with someone re amnio. I'm waiting still, they said I would hear this week, trying not to jump every time the phone rings though. Dp says he's sure we would have heard by now if higher risk but I'm not so sure.

Sorry Bettymum! A few years ago we got the velcro fruit and veg that you can chop. The little cakes and tea set stuff is really adorable too. Perhaps I should ask if I could get commission? I think they do stuff that a lot of catalogues like Letterbox, Great Little Trading Co. etc. do but as it's local I do like to use them in preference.

Aargh, HappyBump and quirkychick the website for TicketyBoo is going to be my downfall. I am a sucker for toy fruit and vegetables . What a great shop.

Hi jardins I have replied to your post on the due Jan thread! I would be very happy with such a low risk but obviously it is a personal (and therefore difficult) decision. My DD loves ballet too, our classes have stopped for the summer, though.

HappyBump what a fabulous shop it is, they are pretty knowledgeable too and just have the most gorgeous stuff. I might have to get some early birthday stuff for DD soon .

jardins I would surmise that you are very low risk ... obviously that doesn't mean "no risk" but I would say the results are pretty good considering you are such an "old bird" . However, if you want to know for certain amnio is the only way you will find out. The risk for amnio is about 1:200. What does your DH think about all this?

Good luck with your decision.

quirky that's the name! I love that shop, I have browsed on-line but I am trying to hold back and see if I can go there in person in August when I come back to the UK.

Hello everybody, just a very quick mail. Will post later.

I got my results and quite frankly I'm none the wiser!

12 week scan: 1/344
Triple blood test: 1/189
Combined tests result: 1/1043

I have to make a decision tomorrow re: amnio. What the Dickens am I supposed to surmise?

Help!!!!

ps It's fab having my DD home HappyBump: she just started a ballet course today.... Yippee.

HappyBump I am still waiting, hoping this is a good sign, I was told I would hear sometime this week. Do you mean Tickety Boo? I have bought some lovely toys for DD for Christmas, they have an online shop too.

ozbride could you ask your gp to refer you to gynae/ obs at the hospital? I know you can't really see a heartbeat on a scan before 6wks. I haven't had recurrent mcs, just one last year. This pg I had an early scan at 7 wks at the gynae ward as I had bleeding but no pains. Previous mc and pg I was scanned at EPAU, but my mw told me I had to have pains this time .

hello everyone
welcome to bettymum - congratulations on your bfp and welcome to the thread

jardins & quirky have you got your results yet?

ozbride I am almost 14 weeks I have had two mc's but I also had a DS in between so I haven't had the recurrent mc tests. I live overseas so I am not sure how you ask for an early reassurance scan, other than asking your doctor?

quirky one of my sister's lives near Norwich. I love shopping in Norwich, there is a gorgeous little toyshop there that sells the most beautiful toys.

jardins is it nice to have your daughter home?

Hello ladies,
Please can I join you? I am 4+0 today, got pg two months ago but had a mc at about 6 1/2 weeks. I am really thrilled to be pg again so quickly, but also really really nervous. I've just read the last two pages of the thread, I'll try and get some time to read all the posts!

Thank you HappyBump, Wasabipeanut and Quirkychick for your welcomes

Wasabi I think the advice you have given about getting regualr scans is great. It would be very reassuring to see things moving forward, fingers corssed What is the right way to ask for these early scans? Despite my history I had been previously told that early scans are not possible so I have just went to the EPU and said I had pains to try and get a scan probably not the best way to do it but I have been going out of my mind with worry.

I had my last miscarriage last month (an early one this time at 4.5) so I have only just been 'referred' whatever that means. I am going to try and find out exactly where I have been referred to today and ring them to tell them I am pregnant again to see if they will give me any more support and get me in for early scans. Has anyone else been investigated for reaccurant (sp?) miscarriage? What happens?

amyboo Hi, I am new too and I totally agree that the stories in here give you hope and support. It is reassuring that people who have been in your position go on and have healthy babies. I have everything crossed that things work out for you this time.

happybump how far on are you? I don't really know much about the test you had but the result sounded positive?

Hello jardins and HappyBump. I haven't had my results yet, hoping this is a good sign. Although, the bloods have to go to Cambridge (I'm in Norwich) and went on Fri pm so I'm not sure when they would be processed. The leaflet that I was given after said that higher than 1/250 they would recommend amnio. Is this just because the medical profession would like to know how accurate their tests are?

I hope you start to sleep better soon jardins I seem to have slept better the last few days. Previously, I was sleeping really badly, it is awful as you are shattered but can't actually sleep. Also, with dcs you can't exactly nap!

You're so lovely HappyBump. Thanks for your kind post. I sometimes feel too much information is a dangerous thing. The genetics specialist was proudly stating how the amnio gives you 100% reassurance (for some genetic disorders, please) and I innocently retored that I'd always believed there were no certainties with medicine in general and pregnancy in particular and one just lived with it. Anyway both my sisters (older) has said that in my shoes they would not envisage the amnio if my blood results give roughly the same risk.

jardins hello, you really are going through the mill with all this worry, no wonder you aren't sleeping! At least your daughter is coming home so that hopefully will give you some cheer. One thing the doctor did say to me, which I am not necessarily sure of (I haven't googled yet!) is that she said that statistically your chances of having a Down Syndrome baby after having other healthy children is half (like I said I hadn't heard that before and I haven't researched this fact). She also mentioned that although you are going to do all these tests they only identify one syndrome there are many others (am not sure if she meant to scare or comfort me!), however she says nature often takes care of these things . My doctor is a lovely sweet lady who is also very practical. My DH is against testing so I think I have been swayed by them both. I am happy with my decision though not to continue testing I figure that if there is anything major wrong we will find out at the next big scan. I am hoping we have been through enough so far this year and that all will be well. So jardins sorry a big ramble ... but you will get your results soon and hopefully that will be the end for you. As you have seen on one of the other threads mowmi got a 1:2 chance before her amnio and was still given the all clear. So there is plenty of hope for all of us. By the way 40 isn't old don't listen to the docs. My dad tells me 70 is the new 50!

Dear all, lovely to hear your news. It's all looking pretty rosy: take comfort new ladies from all this positivity!

I am very pleased as I found my way to the new lab in our new city and my blood should be on its way to ..... Paris, I think it is for the dreaded triple test. HappyBump whilst I understand your concern about not having genetic tests done I almost envy you. Here in France, while there is no doubt the medical service is of high standard, they are so clinical about everything. I swear when we went for the genetic counselling prior re: amnio last week I felt the (kind) counsellor was heavily implying I should be having the amnio. How she managed to do this and stay objective I do not know. I was relatively nonchalant on my way to the appointment, clutching proudly my nuchal scan result but left feeling a lot more thoughtful. Quite frankly, despite taking Bach Flowers, these ponderous thoughts have not left me since. At least the blood test is done and now I have to wait for the results. Anyway, all this to say HappyBump that I wish I could have a doctor who lightened the load of genetic testing.

Quirkychick have you received your results yet? It's funny how I feel no older in my third pregnancy at 40 but the medical system constantly nudges you to remind you that actually it's quite risky having a baby at 40. Stuff and nonsense!!!!

Insomia continues. My nights are patchy and I am aware that I am an irritable live wire around the clock. I am much more reactive to the smallest thing. I am so lucky my husband is being very patient and kind.

My 13 year old DD returns home tomorrow after 3 weeks absence. She will have a whole new universe to explore with us as she hasn't seen the new house, etc. yet.

hello

Lots going on on this thread as usual. So nice to see. Thandeka what a lucky girl! Glad you had a lovely time.
Amyboo, Ozbride, Knockedup & Hoops welcome.

Wasabi nice to read your updates, I always enjoy them. I am suffering a bit from insomnia and also mad dreams. I dreamt about snakes attacking me yesterday and I don't even have a snake phobia ... so I am not sure where that came from. It seems I am currently blessed with an early riser. My DS has decided 6am is his new wake time ... oh dear. I hope this doesn't phase last too long.

I had the results of my nuchal translucency scan and it seems that the measurement was 1.4mm, apparently it's within the normal range and although I am an older mum it should be okay. My doctor is not very keen on genetic testing so hadn't ordered the combined blood work so although I believe her I am not massively comforted by not actually knowing the stat. She seemed confident so I guess I need to be confident with her. I did "google" and found it did seem to be on the lower end of the scale. Next appointment is sometime in September so I guess I just need to spend the next two months eating sensibly and getting the baby to grow ... if my waistline is any indication then I think s/he is growing very rapidly indeed.

Thanks for your advice wasabi. Here in Belgium you see the same gynae throughout your pregnancy, and they usually have ultrasound machines in their surgeries, so you get scanned every time. I've just got an appointment for next Wednesday, by which point I'll be nearly 6 weeks. I'm hoping after that they'll see me every 2 weeks till I get past my "danger zone" of 13 weeks I have a new gynae since my mmc, and he's really supportive and kind about what I've been through.

I have to say, for the last few weeks I've been lurking on this thread, and reading all your positive stoies really helped me to relax about everything and believe that it would happen again. I know that sounds a bit evangelical, but I really have found support and solace in reading about all your gradually progressing pregnancies. I'm so happy I finally get to join you all!

Hi girls,

Glad to see its been another run of good news since the last time I posted!

Joy That is fabulous news. I’m so happy for you that your scan was good. I did EXACTLY the same as you at all of scans – shrieked “is there a heartbeat/where is a heartbeat?” over and over until the sonographer pointed it out. Great news about the additional week too. I am almost a week ahead too in terms of scanned size but apparently they don’t amend due date based on this unless you are measuring over a week over. I am measuring 4-6 days over so that might well be a result when I hit my due date. I would like to attempt a VBAC and that won’t be made very easy if I go long overdue.

Hoops and Knockedup Hooray and congrats to you both. This is a great thread.

Amyboo Welcome and congrats to you too. I have an idea how worried you might be right now. To have a successful scan at 10 weeks only to suffer a loss later is just so bloody cruel. I think that early regular scans would be a good idea for you. Whilst they can’t offer reassurance that nothing bad will happen at some point you can take some comfort from being reassured at that point in time and that the odds are getting more favourable all the time. Another idea may be blood tests from time to time to check hormone levels are progressing as they should be.

Ozbride Just seen your post – welcome! Please consider what I have just written for Amyboo for you too! You’ve had a tough time though. Have you had any investigations into your previous losses?

Jardins Best of luck with the triple test and finding the lab! Glad you’re feeling better. I am 13 weeks today and for the last couple of days haven’t felt as rough or tired. Haven’t had a serious vom since last Thursday although the lovely dry retching is still with me.

Thandeka What a lovely hotel - your DH gets some serious brownie points for that. Not long to go until Friday – I’m sure all will be well. Remember that its normal for symptoms to fade out a little now so don’t panic if you stop feeling sick! I agree with what Quirkychick says actually – I always feel better on days where I get to have a decent sleep in the morning.

Having said that is anyone else struggling like mad with insomnia? What with the crazy dreams and waking every couple of hours I am getting about as much sleep as I did when DS was a newborn. I’m sure it wasn’t this bad when I was pg with DS. Hormones eh? The gift that keeps on giving.

Welcome ozbride here's to a very sticky bean for you this time. MN is great for distraction too .

Hi can I join? I am on my 4th pregnancy (no children) and got a positive test last night making me 4 weeks today. I am already a nervous wreck and I honestly don't know how I will get through the next few months (hopefully!). I am so stressed even though I am trying not to be as I know it is not good for me and (dare I say it) the baby. I need lots and lots of distractions - how are you all handling it and what are you doing to try and relax and make the time fly? Heres hoping for lots of sticky baby dust for us all, I know how devastaing it is so I really feel for you all xxxx

amyboo all of us on this thread can help hold your hand. Tiredness and big boobs are definitely pg symptoms. I think after mc pg just seems like a whole lot of hoops to jump through. Just remember the majority of women who have mcs go on to have healthy happy pgs.

Wow Thandeka that looks great! I think growing a baby in your uterus is doing plenty for your dh . Perhaps it's not London so much as being relaxed that stops you feeling sick. Today I have had so much more energy and not been sick at all (previous 2 days v. sick/tired) and I am sure this is because I slept in-well, 8:30!

Thanks for the welcome everyone. I'm trying to stay calm about everything, but am worrying like mad on the inside. I don't have many symptoms yet - just insane tiredness for about the last week and big boobs I didn't really suffer too badly with ms last time - not sure if I'll be that lucky again.

It's nice to come on here and hear about how well you're all doing after having been through the same thing as me. It makes me hopeful that I won't be so unlucky this time...

Hi all,
My weekend was incredible. DH excelled himself- we spent the weekend in luxury at Swinton Park Yorkshire

DH has earned major major brownie points- brill! Now at a loss as to what to do for him in return (apart from the obvious )

Joy27 am so sad we aren't date twins anymore- I don't approve of age gaps- so since your offspring is going to be a whole week ahead of mine- I think we will have to call the wedding off! tongue in cheek- jealous you have a week less worry.

Am now anxiously waiting for 13 week scan on friday. In yorkshire all morning sickness went (like it did when I went to Somerset) but now I feel dodgy again so I reckon london makes me feel grim. Please keep fingers crossed that bean is still there- I do have a bump now (but had bump with MMC as egg sac carried on growing but emby stopped so not reassured).

Welcome and congrats to all the new Beans and Bean Carriers.

Hello jardins I ate etc. as normal. I think it's only the Glucose Tolerance Test which you need to starve for. FWIW when I had mine on fri I had a leaflet that said until recently all women in UK were recommended to have an amnio after 35. Presumably this changed with the nuchal testing? Good luck.

Hello everyone. I have my triple blood test tomorrow. Can anyone tell me (foolish question follows, please don't laugh) whether I can eat beforehand? Cheers (for not laughing).

Welcome Amyboo and congratulations. The adventure begins now. I think one day at the time is the general philosophy on this thread. We're all here for you. How AWFUL to have a successful scan at 10 weeks and then.... But never fear, history will not repeat itself.

I hate to tempt fate but I feel really pretty damned good today despite my usual 2 - 3 hours insomnia last night. I'm almost 14 weeks. I'm savouring this good feeling because from previous experience you never know how you will be feeling the following day! My headaches and backache have vanished thanks to my new osteo. Fab.

My next hurdle is doing the triple (or whatever) test on Monday. It is a hurdle as I am not familiar AT ALL with Tours city centre and I will have to find the lab... What a wimp. Next small worry is my daughter returning from her 3 week holiday in UK (what a joy to see her!!!) and worrying whether she will be bringing the flu back courtesy of her Eurostar journey. Paranoia strikes!!!!

amyboo am in exactly the same situation as you, am very scared about MMC but have resigned myself to sitting it out and hoping for the best.....

Congratulations

Welcome amyboo congratulations on your bfp.

Does anyone mind if I join? Just got a bfp this morning - almost 3 months to the day since I had an ERPC for a mmc at 13 weeks. As was due this morning, but I did an hpt this morning when there was no sign, and the line showed up within about 2 minutes!

I'm now sh*t scared though, as with my mmc I had a perfect 10 week scan and the baby died at 12 weeks (I found out at 13 week scan). Am going to get an appointment with the gynae on Monday, but I thought I'd join here in the meantime, incase any of you can share your words of wisdom about how to remain calm in these early days....

mummytopebs I found out today that I'm 13 weeks not 12 (another bit of good news- one less week of worry!), which means I'm due 29th Jan- v close to you.

I don't like calling the baby "it" either- we seem to have adopted the highly unoriginal name of The Bean instead. I seem to use "he" sometimes though- not sure why.

I too was so terrified- when the sonographer said "there's the baby" I immediately shrieked "and is the heart beating?!".

Do genuinely feel much calmer now though. Quite amazed at what is going on down there, without me feeling a thing (apart from tired, sick, hormonal etc...). It's wonderful really.

Brilliant news *joy 27* I was just so relieved to see it moving around, i closed my eyes and wouldnt look at the screen till dh said you can look x How far are you think we are due around the same time. I am due around 25 Jan, however if baby is early by the same amount as dd it will be born xmas day !! Is it just me or does anyone else hate calling their baby it?

Welcome to the ladies who have just joined you will get lots of support here x x

Yay! Am finally pregnant. Have been trying since September, this is baby number 2.

Hello all, I have finally managed to join this lovely thread.......but am well and truly bricking it.....4 weeks today woo hoo!!!

Hello to all! mummytopebs, brilliant news re your scan.

Well I can add myself to list of relieved/happy scannees. My scan today showed a very wriggly little bean and all was well. Thank god. Like you mtp I was convinced it was going to be bad news. Quite the opposite. Hurrah!

thandeka your break sounds very romantic- have fun!

Mummytopebs Well done on your scan - that's great news As Thandeka says this is the good news thread right now.

Ilovebeingamummy That's great news that your bean is hanging on in there. At 8 weeks for a scan you should be able to see good size blob with a nice strong heartbeat and possibly some little limb buds too.

Angelfifi Welcome and congratulations! This thread has been such a comfort to me in my knicker checking, paranoid state. Luckily, this one is now looking like a keeper but its been a long couple of months.

Quirky and Jardins Best of luck with your testing. I am still waiting on my blood test results/nuchal screening double test for my 1 in XXX number. I am 36 so fingers crossed....

<wasabi waves to everyone>

jardins good luck for your results next wk too. (oops posted too soon!)

Thanks jardins I'm popping up to the hospital shortly to have the bloods, feeling a little nervous. I have 2 close friends who had amnios with dc3s I really understand what they mean when they say they couldn't relax about their pgs until later on. People keep congratulating me and I don't feel I can really take it on board until I've got this out the way. I think it's much more of a worry when you are an older mummy! Wasn't so concerned 1st pg as I only had triple test.

Good morning Quirkychick how are you feeling whilst awaiting the triple test results? I will have to do the test on Saturday or Monday and then it's a week's wait. And then, if it seems necessary to do the amnio I have to do it the first week of August when I'll be in my 15th week. No rest for the wicked. I know the amnio service (if such a thing exists) closes the week before 15th Aug (Bank Holiday here)so it's then or never. Phew. It's a bit of a roller coaster ain't it?

Yippee, the sound of trumpets blasting and cymbals clashing (harmoniously, of course) welcome Angelfifi! Congratulations my dear. You're on the right thread here. Everybody will hold your hand.

I am so delighted to hear about those wonderfully positive scans, ladies. It's all so marvellous.

Yippee, the sound of trumpets blasting and cymbals clashing (harmoniously, of course) welcome Anglefifi! Congratulations my dear. You're on the right thread here. Everybody will hold your hand.

I am so delighted to hear about those wonderfully positive scans, ladies. It's all so marvellous.

Quick message for Jardins - thanks for the update on the other thread. Wasn't sure if you would look there and didn't want to ignore it! We are going in a few hours and seem to have escaped illness so far, so figure we are much better off somewhere that isn't full of people with flu anyway

mummytopebs wooohooo!very happy for you. Such an amazing relief isn't it?! now what next to worry about

ILBAM yey! for getting this far. I had a scan at about 8+ weeks and as Thandeka says you do see a baby-type shape but for me the biggest reassurance was seeing/hearing the heartbeat.

I hope everyone else is well.

Welcome angelfifi I too had a mmc in march at 12/13 weeks and this thread has been brilliant at holding my hand through all my scans (6 weeks, 8+ weeks, 13 weeks) and everything in between. It really has been a nerve wracking time and these ladies are lovely. Fortunately (touch wood, cross fingers, etc.) this time round for me I've had some positive results. Take care of yourself.

I have just noticed jardins is here! Wow i was just wondering how you were!!

Hi all,
Can i join? I have done a fr test this morn and cant believe it was BFP but after having a cp last year this time and a mc at 12 weeks in march, i'm so scared of it all happening again. Will be constantly checking and begging for scans left right and center!!!

Oooh ILBAM that's brilliant news! (and gasp a ticker- haven't women been thrown off mumsnet for less!? am teasing

8+3 will still look like a blob like bean probably but you should be able to see heartbeat and head and may be able to make up some other bits out but is still very tiny at that stage. Good luck!

Ooh sorry about that last post - accidentally pasted the ticker I just copied to send to my sister!

Hi all

Well I have made it to 7+4!

That seems like a lot to me when the last 3 were lost at 4+6. Scan next Wed at 8+3 - anybody had one at that point - what should I expect to see?

Glad to see lots of good news here and hope the same is true of me next week

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Nargh I just made the 666th post.

Supertitious moi? a tad!

Ooops. this post makes me feel better though 667.

Seriously this thread is rocking for good news- hurrah mummytopebs!

YAY YAY YAY

Good news on my scan front today as well. Everything fine baby measuring 13 weeks x x I was over the moon to see it moving around and its little heart beating, i was really expecting it to have died. I am thrilled, i cried, very emotional day. Plus they used a scanner they were testing and the picture is fantastic, i cant stop looking at picture x

Good luck Joy for tomorrow. I have my triple test bloods tomorrow and then wait and see.

Have a lovely time Thandeka.

Yay for happybump and wasabipeanut! Oooh I do like all the good news on this thread.

Joy you are 12 weeks today like me! Yippee! Fingers crossed for tommorrow- Since our sproglets are marrying I know its going to be okay. My next scan is a week tommorrow but DH is whisking me away tommorrow to somewhere secret for our first wedding anniversary which is very exciting (wedding anniversary 2nd aug). I brought my first pair of maternity jeans today- as I do have a bump/fatter pot belly now! yippee.

Love to everyone.
xxx

happybump and wasabipeanut, I'm thrilled for you that your scans brought good news. That's wonderful.

jardins, it's a tricky one... I guess before you didn't think you had a choice, and now she do, it's a dilemma. Sorry that doesn't help at all. I think, like the other ladies have said, that you have to consider whether it would make a difference to know in advance about such things. Some people would like to be fully prepared/researched in everything they encounter. If you're that kind of person, maybe tests are the way forward. On the other hand, if like me you're a huge worrier and would stress endlessly about any less-than-brilliant results, perhaps best not to do them.

Speaking of worrying, I am now, in the honoured tradition of this thread, well and truly bricking it. Have got 12w scan tomorrow morning and instead of feeling excited, I'm dreading going in there and finding that the baby isn't alive. Was having mc dreams all last night... terrified. Still, at least there is not long left to wait.

Anyone else a big nervous wreck?!

wasabi Glad your scan went well too. I'm a few hours ahead the UK as I am based in Dubai, so not an early bird at all.

Quirky you must be exhausted, waking your DD every 5 hours would be hard.

Jardins I would recommend you do the triple blood test, or there is even a quadruple one that is done a few weeks later I believe. At least then you would have all the information before you would have to chose to do something invasive. Personally, I am a believer in more information rather than less if possible, especially if there is no risk to either mummy or baby. So you can make an even informed decision as to the comparative risk after you get the results. I will be going through this myself next week.

Great news Happybump and wasabi on your scans.

We are watching cbeebies resting here, but I am still having to wake DD every 5hrs at night to give her an inhaler. Just chilling out at home until DD has finished her steroids and antibiotics. Not what I had in mind about spending some mummy/daughter time! I have had better weeks, I must say.

Hi everyone,

Well the scan went well. Peanut is now a stonking 6 and a half cm with a lovely strong heartbeat. The naughty little munchkin wouldn't get into the right position to have the nuchal fold measured so I got sent away for a walk and a cold drink which did the trick! All was well for the nuchal measurement but obviously I have to wait for the blood test result as well.

I celebrated this morning by being the sickest I have been for this pregnancy yet. Urrrrrgghhhhh its grim. Still unbelievably tired too. I really want this phase to stop now - I'm getting to the point where I have kind of had enough.

Happybump Wow your scan was early! Very glad all was well.

Quirky How are you and your DD? God you must have had a rotton few days you poor thing. I hope you and DD are resting as much as you can.

Jardins I guess my advice on testing is similar to the others - only you know what level of risk you are happy with and whether a child with downs, spina bifida etc. would be a deal breaker for you. If it were purely down to me I probably wouldn't have the testing done as I feel it can blight pregnancy with false positives but my DH was adamant that he would want to know. I don't actually think he really got the implications of us finding out but we'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it.
I have loved this child since it was the word "Pregnant" on my digi test and I would love it no matter what.

How is everyone else feeling today?

Hello!!!
woohooo!
I am sooo so so -over-excited, happy, thrilled to tell you all that I had the scan this morning and everything was fine. Hurrah!! The sonographer was not overly forthcoming but did hint that everything was okay. I will get the nuchal results on Monday from the doctor.



yipppeee!

jardins it is a really hard call, I have my triple test on Friday and then await the call or letter and see if I have to make the decision. I was told that the integrated nuchal and triple test results give an 80-90% accurate result. Like you, I feel this is my last chance to have another baby as I am high risk and it has taken me a year to get pg after mc. Also, if I do this again I will be even older and therefore at more risk.

Jardins no advice really just my opinion, i have decided not even to have the blood test to see if there is a problem as my dd was born with a bifida nodum at the base of her spine, and i was told if i had the amnio thing this would have showed up as spina bifida. Plus if a baby was down syndrome i would not terminate anyway as i believe most of a good quality of life.

Everyones different and i honestly believe there is only you that can make the decision x

Dear Quirkychick good luck with your spate in hospital.

HappyBump I'll be really thinking about your tomorrow for your scan. Have fun!

Ok, I had my appointment with the genetics specialist at the university hospital here in Tours (a very impressive in a nice kinda way, the hospital, I mean) to discuss the amnio. Ladies, it's a miracle any of us choose to have children whey you hear about all the possible genetic problems which exist! Naturally the advisor would not give us an opinion as to whether I should have the amnio, or not. She simply explained the stats, some of which went over my head! We still haven't decided although I think I will probably do the tripple blood test. After my scan, which estimated my risk of DS at 1/344, the doctor said it was worth taking into consideration the 1/200 risk of mc after the amnio. At the Tours Hospital this test is carried out with all the surgical paraphenalia to ensure maximum sterility, nevertheless they still fall in the 1/200 stats. The lady explained that the amnio was the only 100% way of putting one's mind at rest. I guess I will do the tripple test (to buy time) and to see if my risk factor goes up.

I really don't know what to do. I guess before I had my scan I just assumed I would have to do it since I am 40 but now I have the choice, well, it's not easy. Our gentic family tree did not ring any alarm bells, according to the specialist.

Sorry to be a bore, but do any of you have any advice?

Thanks HappyBump good luck for tomorrow. Good luck to mummytopebs and Joy too. DD a lot better, still on a lot of medication but we've been referred to the hospital asthma clinic for monitoring/assessment.

Scan for me tomorrow to Happy bump and i am nervous to x Fingers crossed for both of us.

DD was at hospital this morning so i was a bit naughty and told work her appt had run over so i didnt have to go into work - naughty. I am just so tired all the time, does anyone feel like this? I could honestly just go to sleep at any time, when dh comes in im going for a kip (and if he whinges about the house not being tidy i will throttle him lol). Was going to ring midwife and ask for iron to be checked but dont know if it is normal to feel like this, last time i was pregnant didnt have dd to look after

Hello everyone!

Wasabi how was your scan. I've been thinking about you, I hope all was well.

Mummytopebs & Joy good luck for your scans tomorrow and Friday.

Jardins I hope you are feeling somewhat better

Quirky poor you, I hope your DD is feeling better.

Olga glad your scan went well.

Well I have my scan tomorrow. I am feeling pretty positive although very nervous too. My appetite has increased and I need to eat every couple of hours otherwise I feel quite lethargic. I am hoping that's a good sign. I wonder if I will sleep tonight? Good thing is I have put all thoughts about Swine Flu and travel out of my mind for the moment whilst I get over tomorrow. Then back to fretting (hopefully!)

Hello everyone I have been catching up as I have just spent 2 nights in hospital with DD who had an asthma attack. It was a bit tricky to be seen as sf is clogging up the nhs! The staff in hospital didn't seem overly concerned by it, in contrast to the nhs direct website. We were, however, kept in the Children's Assessment Unit on our own the first night and then we were in a bay with just one other patient and parent. Don't know if this is because dd and I are both high risk groups? Luckily, I didn't feel too bad whilst in and looking after DD, just very tired. Sickness has come back with a vengeance today, though.

Thanks so much Jardins that's really helpful. We're going south of Bergerac, just in to the Lot. One of my favourite areas and not sure how I will cope without the cheese, foie gras and wine this time!

Ooh Wasabipeanut good luck and HAVE FUN at your scan.

HappyBump I have taken your advice and ordered some Bach Flowers. Nothing like pampering oneself.

Dear Alana39 - glad if I can help. The situation here in France, for the time being, is no where near as bad as in UK. In fact we are having a pretty easy ride. TBH I wouldn't stress about getting it whilst here in France, especially if you are in the middle of nowhere (just being nosey, but where exactly are you heading?). If you pop into your local chemist - they are EVERYWHERE, oh yeah, the French love their chemists - they will be only too pleased to give you info on the local anti viral procedure. I know that companies and state run organisations are stocking up on surgical masks but not much has been said about the medication side of things.

I'll write more asa I have other info, ok?

Hi everyone sorry to butt in - Blondieminx on the Knickercheckers thread suggested I pop in here to ask Jardins a question - going to France for 3 weeks on Friday, and I have read they have already stockpiled anti-virals as in the UK but wondered what the score is for accessing them should we need them. Rather hoping that 3 weeks in the middle of nowhere will mean we would only need them if we have managed to take SF with us!

DH is bilingual so language not a problem once we're there, but can't find easily accessible information and I assume the advice will be not to go near doctors surgeries etc.

If you could give me a quick rundown would be very grateful, thanks

Hi girls,

Another week ticks by! I have now hit the big 12 and am anxiously awaiting my dating/nuchal scan tomorrow morning. My feeling is that everything is ok due to feeling like poo most of the time and retching big style every morning. Still incredibly tired most of the time. I seem to recall that when I was pg with DS this faded along with the sickness at around 15 or so weeks so only another 3 to go hopefully.

Thandeka How’s the back doing? I winced when I read your post, back pain is just misery central, especially if you’re still puking because the force of it can really hurt. Hope you are staying sane.

Mummytopebs Try not to worry too much – it is completely normal for your symptoms to subside now as the placenta is taking over hormone production. You know this anyway I am just trying to reassure you! I’m sure on Thursday you will find out everything is fine and see your little bean pinging off the walls!

Pinky Yay for your scan! Really glad that everything is progressing well – apart from the nausea that is!

Olga Great news about your scan also. The reassurance of seeing a heartbeat is quite something isn’t it? I blubbed at mine too!

Happybump The swine flu thing is scary I know. Everyone needs to decide where they sit on the risk/practicality spectrum. I am normally very cavalier about stuff like this but have since become quite concerned about SF – from my DS’s perspective and also mine and Peanuts. My DH is using Milton gel on his hands after using public transport and his work have given him anti bacterial sprays for desk/laptop/phones etc. I have started wiping down shopping trolleys/swing chains and anything else “public” with Milton wipes before putting DS in them and making sure that handwashes are very thorough rather than the quick “wipe in cold water and showing them a bit of soap” that they can so often be with a toddler. I’m also changing hand towels every day . I’m avoiding soft play but not playgroups and the like because the numbers are smaller and the standard of hygiene much higher. Luckily I don’t have to commute anymore so can avoid public transport as we pretty much walk everywhere,

So in summary – we are taking extra precautions but not staying indoors till 2011.

Jardins Oh poor you, it sounds like what with back pain, sleepless nights, nausea and headaches you are still having a rough time. I can’t help much with back pain although what helped with mine when pg with DS was spending as much time as I could perched on a birth ball as it corrects your posture I think. I also found that laying on my back on the floor with my knees pulled up as close to my chest as I could physically get them and then sort of rolling gently from side to side helped. It sounds really wierd but apparently it relaxes the muscles causing the pain!

I have had headaches too – I usually used to get them immediately post ovulation and also on the 1st day of my periods so they were clearly connected to changing hormone levels. I had them early on with this pg too and more recently. Given that I have recently broken out in zits as well I am assuming a hormonal cause.

Joy Best of luck on Thursday. Your approach sounds very sensible to me!

Hope everyone else is good and not getting too fed up with the rain!

dur... thandeka I mean. I blame the headache

Hello, haven't been around for a while. I'm just trying to keep a calm head before 12w scan on Fri, so have been taking a break from mn.

Basically, my morning sickness has been coming and going, and I was finding that I'd come on here and get quite panicked reading the frequent posts and links saying that ms is a signifier that the pg is going well/less chance of miscarriage etc. So I decided to stay away for a while until I could get my proper medical/visual proof on Fri that all is well, without sort of self-diagnosing disaster via other people's posts. I decided that my scan is really the only way of confirming if things are ok or not. I know ladies who were hardly sick and had healthy pregnancies; in my last pregnancy my ms only started after my miscarriage had begun. There really is very little rhyme or reason to these things- or at least that's what I tell myself. I was driving myself mad comparing what I was going through with what others were. So I took a break. Hope that makes sense.

However, I have been lurking today and just wanted to say jardins, yes, I am getting horrible migraine headaches, and paracetomol is not really cutting the mustard. Plus it does not feel right to be popping multiple pills a day. I don't have any advice I'm afraid- it must be hard to care for your other kids while you're suffering. I've taken the last couple of days off work but that's not a long term solution. Maybe I'll try acupuncture as advised. I might also get one of those cool pads and will let you know if it works.

Other than that, and the worrying, I am OK. I'm 12w on Thurs (like you thankdeka?) and crossing my fingers that all will be well on Friday at my scan.

How is everyone else?

Hi again,
Hi jardins -poor you-have you thought about acupuncture? I hear it's very effective for both and it' been really helping me with my symptoms.
I have a doctor's appointment set up on Monday and was going to ask my Dr then but was wondering if any of you might know whether or not if I've had an ectopic pregnancy previously which involved a labaroscopy and having a tube removed if that means a cesarean for this pregnancy? I still have scar as surgery was in Dec and scar still hurts. A friend of a friend who is a gp said they probably wouldn't leave me as long this time (so either not over due date and not too long in labour).

Ladies, is anybody else suffering from bad backs and headaches? I'm feeling really sory for myself. I have managed to get an appointment with an osteopath tomorrow evening: I just don't think downing paracetamol is the solution. If anyone else is bravely suffering in silence with headaches please let me know how you'e coping.

We have an appointment with a genetics specialist at the hospital tomorrow re: amnio. Apparantly they will be plotting our respective family trees. Sounds cool.

Hi girls!
Sorry I didn't sign in 'til now but my update is good! I had scan last Wed and all is well! When I saw that heartbeat I broke down in tears of relief! The sonographer had to ask me to keep still so I could see the heartbeat.
I feel irritable, tired, nauseous and it all seems to be intensifying as the weeks go on but that's pregnancy for you I guess! I'm pregnant and thrilled thrilled thrilled so will just have to deal with all of that!
Hubby had a look at stats online and apparently said that once you see a heartbeat and size of baby coincides with your dates then risk of miscarriage goes down to 5%. I know we're not out of the woods yet but I can see the clearing up ahead and feeling positive!
Hope you're all well, give your babies a rub from me!
I am already putting on weight big time!
x

Have no idea they just gave it too me! Was 7 weeks at the time too. Maybe they do it to get a benchmark glucose tolerance and then compare it later in the pregnancy?

They took LOADS of blood (not a pint dont worry!) but about 5 different vials and I think that is going to happen again at my second midwife appointmnet as need my nuchal fold blood tests too. Shame my veins are so crap- its more like blood out of a stone than a vein!

thandeka just being nosey, but why did you have the glucose tolerance test so early in the pregnancy, I thought that was only done much later around 26+weeks?

Thanks For the info. Didn't realise they take blood at that time so at least i'm prepared!

Mine took about an hour and a half but that was because I had the glucose tolerance test thing so they made me sit and wait for an hour after I downed my lucozade!

Westlondongirl they say allow 3 hours in case you have a complicated history and loads of notes need taking, or in case the queue to have blood is long etc, or find something that needs further testted, but it really depends - mine in total including bloods took just over the hour.

They are covering themselves in case it does take that long

Hi, Does anyone know why you have to allow 3 hours for your booking appointment?! Confused as to what the hell they do with you for 3 hours

Hi All sorry to hear about the back pain.

Scan went well on saturday, dates were bang on and good stong heartbeat 171BPM so we felt really pleased, still feeling terribly sick though.

Hi all,
Back pain has eased slightly still there but not as bad and have a massage booked tommorrow which will have to be on my side which will be interesting so hopefully it will go soon! I was a proper whinger yesterday (and a little embarrased i wrote about wiping my bum !)

Todays latest worry is the fact we have DH's cousins coming to stay for a week from Australia (and paranoid me thinks the variation of swine flu over there is much more serious for pregnant women given the amount in hospital at the min!) They will be out and about on public transport etc during the day so have emailed them to ask if they wouldnt mind washing their hands as soon as they come into the flat each time. Probably sound very precious but to be honest I don't care!

Mummytopebs- have a fab scan on Thursday- I am 12 weeks that day so my law says it will be fine!

xxx

Jardins I hope you start sleeping a bit more. Insomnia is not great. I am a light sleeper at the best of times. I am not sure which ones are allowed during pregnancy but have you looked at Bachs Rescue Remedy for restlessness?

I think Arnica is a great suggestion. I used the tablets after labour with my DS and I am sure I healed very quickly as a consequence.

hello

Mummytopebs I think it's pretty normal for symptoms to go away by this point. I remember when I was pregnant with my DS by week 12 they had pretty much disappeared and they were never very strong in the first place. I continued to have a healthy pregnancy that time. My scan is on Thursday too although I think I am a week behind you. I am worrying myself stupid. I had a mmc in March and only found out at the scan at 13 weeks (exactly the same timing). I am trying my best to remain level-headed and say "what will be will be" but it's hard I so want everything to be okay.

Thandeka I have nothing but sympathy for back pain. I hurt my back a few years ago and the pain re-occurred one day during the final weeks of my pregnancy with DS. I had to crawl out of bed to go to the bathroom. I was very worried about going into labour and not being able to push and ending up with a c-section. Fortunately it miraculously disappeared as quickly as it appeared. My doctor told me that it was fine to take paracetamol and it was better that I did rather than suffer in pain as I would end up using my body in an awkward position and probably make it worse.

Now this swine flu thing sorry to bring it up again ... is it as serious as it seems to be reported? I was considering coming back to the UK in August for a couple of weeks as it will be 50degrees here but my DH says that I would be mad given the warnings on the BBC etc and that I would be putting myself, my DS and our unborn child in danger. I don't want to get hysterical because I generally do think these things are blown out of proportion but would I be stupid to come? I think the time when I would be exposed to risk the most would be on the flight and at the airport? Once I am in the UK I should be fine, right?

I hope everyone else is doing okay? and is feeling sick/not sick as desired and that all our beans are doing well.

Pinkyblue how was your scan?

Oh poor Thandeka I am so sorry about your back. It will pass. If it's any consolation I spent the entire weekend with (and this is no comparison to your troubles, I believe) with a terribly sore knot in my back which brought with it a horrible tension headache on the left side. I can still feel it although it is getting better. The chemist told my husband that arnica granules were fine during pregnancy and, you know, I like homeopathy (that's partly how we treat our DC) but psychologically it is so nice to know you can take something during pregnancy apart from paracetamol. I don't know about you but I get very anxious when something 'goes wrong' physically; that's part of the trouble, isn't it? I can simply reiterate the wonders of osteopathy....

Mummytopebs do not fret! The weekend prior to my Monday morning 12 week scan I was so low - convinced all had gone wrong. I swear I was so scared. Everything went perfectly. Almost 14 weeks, how exciting for you. You know it's normal for symptoms to subside. Repeat after me, 'this is normal'!!

Well nausea really kicked back in last night again. I am finding my nights so unrestful these days..... sniff, sniff.

Thandenka hope your back pain eases, its awful having back pain x

Right ladies i need a good shake, i am starting to stress myself because i dont feel pregnant anymore, i am worried sick that my scan on Thursday is going to show the bean has died - i cant get this thought out of my head. My pregnancy symptoms have passed and i know this is normal but i cant get this thought out of my head. Cant believe my scan is not till Thursday i will nearly be 14 weeks then!!!

Plus am worrying about what happens if get swine flu - worry worry worry arrrrghh

quirky and jardins - thanks v much for your thoughts. Had more or less reached the same conclusion myself, particularly in light of recent headlines. Will tell them this week.

Hope everyone has had a top weekend, unpleasant pregnancy symptoms aside.

Thandeka - sorry about your back pain. It's horrid to live with, hope it eases up soon.

Sniff am sneaking on here for a bit of sympathy as have done my back in. I havent had back pain like this since i was 15 and that took a few weeks to go. Is awful I can't bend down to look in fridge, even wiping my arse kills. I had to give in and take paracetamol for the first time this pregnancy. Have had a heat pad on it all day and slept some which has helped a bit. I looked up some back pain exercises so I am starting to do them too. So fed up as just as morning sickness starts to ease a bit and then this happens. Think it was moving the chair yday (which I didnt really move as had a big strong fella me lad to move it) but I think I was too "active" for my condition. I guess its also because all my ligaments are loosening so more easy to do my back in (warning to you ladies). I just hope I never develop that SPD thingy as that sounds evil!

Hope all is well.
xxx

itsalwaysthequietones I think I agree that I would be selfish in your situation as it's not just you but your bean too. But only you know the risks involved.

jardins you have inspired me to make a big pot of minestrone type soup - yum! You can get rid of garlic/onion smell from your hands by rubbing your fingers against the bowl of a stainless steel spoon when you wash them (a cheaper version of those metal things in lakeland). Not sure how it works, though but it does!

For all of us thinking about screening tests and amnios here is an interesting site with information and a helpline.

Sorry itsalwaysthequietones for not answering your question sooner re: your work and swine flu. You know, I'm really not a panicmonger (spelt right?) normally but I can't help thinking that your baby must come first and that maybe, just maybe, you could hold off temporarily from this very worthwhile work. It's hard to have to weigh up your pregnancy with such a good cause but I honestly think this is the only time when you are entitled to being selfish.

What does everyone else think?

ps Pinkyblue123 how did your scan go today?

Ooops, nausea is back tonight. I've been making a glut of veggie soups these past couple days (it is sooooo nice to enjoy cooking again - these past weeks have been hell as the very sight of a saucepan sent me running into the bathroom) but garlic and onions and red peppers still make me gag a little and then when you chop them the smell lingers on your fingers, yukkkkkkkk.

The cravings are starting a little. Yesterday (please don't laugh) I downed an entire small jar of anchovies - heaven, and now I yearn for chilie sauce. Hmmmm. Ladies can I tell you about my very embarrassing but amazing cravings for my past two pregnancies? With my daughter it was creosote and with my son coffee grounds. My DH is looking forward to this time round.....

I'm so glad you're feeling better Thandeka and Quirkychick That's fab. I think what happens, if my memory serves me well, that the nausea, etc. doesn't just disappear, rather you get more and more good days with the odd not so good day after 12 weeks. I'll be curious to know if it's the same for you ladies.

Another vote for better here too. I did vomit a bit (caused by scraping congealed cornflakes and milk into the bin!) but the nausea is nothing like it was- haven't been wearing my seabands for last week or so either. Fingers crossed it goes completely soon.

Am excited today as I got a stunning armchair (Ikea Ektorp- red cord) free from freecycle- I wanted it for a nursing chair and am very happy as it was free saving myself £250!

My sickness/nausea is definitely better, similar to the 5/6wk stage. I have ventured no seabands today as fed up with them. I am still sick in the mornings a few times but better than the violently 4-8x a day/night for the past few wks. I am now 13+2. Mostly if I get hungry I feel sick but at least I'm not bringing up whole meals (sorry, tmi!).

I had a few headaches last week but they seem to have gone at the moment. I am finding activities for dd to do over the holidays to keep us occupied and have some mummy/daughter time as I have been a bit tired/boring at the mo. Your walk sounds lovely, Jardins.

How you all today? I think my nausea is more bearable today (almost 13 weeks)... and no runs for three days: fantastic!! Instead of all that I've had a stinking headache which won't shift with paracetamol. It's deffinitely a tension induced headache (parents getting on my nerves, etc.) A long walk with my son along the river has helped a little.

Have a lovely weekend.

Consultant told me 1/250 too (I'm sure it was me that said it originally). Fingers crossed for you mowmi.

I am finding a definite lack of patience, trying to get myself and dd ready in the morning. I am biting my tongue - why can't you hurry up I feel sick! Each second is tortuous and I feel most crappy in the mornings.

....and yes NHS only suggest invasive tests if if you have greater risk than 1 in 250

Jardins - I had CVS done on Monday due to 1 in 9 risk of DS! I wouldn't have bothered with your risk. It's come back negative and know I'm sat here worrying about every niggle in case it's caused me to miscarry.
Try and relax your odds are very low.

jardins - I am COMPLETELY with you on the lack of patience thing. I'm being a complete horror at the moment. In-laws have been staying on and off for the past 3 weeks and I'm almost tearing my hair out despite the fact that they've been lovely and really helpful with DD. I just feel like I need to shut myself in a dark room at times.

Re your earlier post on swine flu - I think take the precautions suggested by Thandeka but don't let it worry you too much. It is still a v small risk but I can def sympathise with your concerns. I've been thinking about it a lot because I volunteer at a homeless shelter in an area of London that's heavily affected by swine flu (and a lot of the people I work with there are in high risk groups). Been trying to work out if I should stop going for the duration of pregnancy but don't want to seem neurotic... Any thoughts/advice gratefully received.

I think they let the patient choose but one way to weigh it up is to weigh up your risk against the risk of MC if you have the procedure- since your risk is lower than the risks associated with the procedure I'm not sure I would bother to be honest.

1 in 344 is great odds! but i do understand the what if....

A question for you all: do you find your normal tolerance levels are significantly lower now you are pregnant? I am, I think, a relatively patient person, especially in a professional context but nowadays I am finding that an extra dose of hormones is giving me the guts to express my fustration more readily. Take my bank, for example. I got a mail on Tuesday from my bank guy telling me my high interest account had expired so all that money has been on my normal account (gaining no interest) for a few days now. In the mail he asked me to contact him asap. NOW we know, my husband and I, that everything we ask him to do takes at least a week and a half. I immediately sent him a mail asking him to send my some savings account propositions by mail and that we could then talk about it over the 'phone. (I can't pop in an see him as we have moved 3 hours drive away!). Four days later still no news. So I call the impossible irritating switchboard which always tells you the person you're trying to reach is in a meeting and could you call back? That's when the hormones started working their magic. I told the bored lady's voice I was more than fed up with the slow service and that everytime we tried calling Mr. X he NEVER called us back. She kept saying 'I understand but there's nothing I can do about it'. Bloody cheek. The only problem about venting your feelings is that you don't want to sound like a over emotional child, or, er, pregnant woman?

Sigh.

Sorry rant over....

On a much more relevant point. I am reading with interest about the amniocentisis in UK. Am I right in saying that it is not offered to you if your risk stats are over 1/250? I am still mulling over whether to have one or not with a 1/344 as in France they strong recommend the amniocentisis from 37 years onwards. What exactly is the deal in UK?

mummytopebs I think that a lot of midwifes will not try before 16 weeks as it is not always easy to pick up the heartbeat and so they don't want to alarm you unnecessarily if they cannot pick it up. Also MS is supposed to go around 12 weeks although for many women it can go on longer.

I am still in battle with MS I puke when I wake up and either feel sick or puke all day finishing off with a big puke at night...the only time I don't feel sick is when I am asleep...it is horrible

I have my scan tomorrow AM (I am 8 weeks) to see if everything is where it should be. Starting to feel nervous about it, but I guess the fact my head is permanently dow the loo at the moment means that things should be OK (?)

Is difficult to EASILY get a HB before 16 weeks as depends on the woman- how much the uterus has risen out of the pelvis, how much subcutaneous fat she has (i think) so that is why they dont advise trying before 16 weeks as if you cant find it it may cause unecessary panic.

Lucky you on the nausea disappearing! mine is easing but still there and am really hoping it goes in the next few weeks.
xxx

Hi mummytopebs. Nausea going at 12 weeks is normal - all articles on internet say that. Personally I am clinging to the hope that it will go by then! You can certainly see a babies heartbeat on ultrasound before 12 weeks. I had a scan at 6 + 6 and the heartbeat was visible. Have you had your scan yet?

Hi my midwife friend listened to my bean at 9 weeks. and again at 10 weeks. but she did warn me that she might not get it..

Work reacted well really and i will be going on Maternity just after xmas.

How can peoples babys be heard before 12 weeks, i work with midwifes and i have asked 2 of them if they will listen to my tummy for a heartbeat and they have both said they wouldnt be able to hear it till 16 weeks! - Do you think this is because i work with them and they wouldnt know what to say if couldnt find heartbeat?

My nausea has completly disappeared now and i am worrying about that but i am 12 weeks now so please reassure me this is normal x

Hello everyone <wasabi waves

Have been having a catch up this morning while DS is at nursery. I head a midwife appt yesterday and got to listen to my little peanuts heartbeat again. I am only 11+3 but she managed to find it with her handheld doppler thingy. My sickness has returned with a vengeance - have honked the last few mornings and am still soooooo tried. Norks still incredibly uncomfortable also. Clearly, little peanut has not the read the books that say I am meant to be feeling better now I remember this with DS - getting mails through from all these baby sites I had subscribed to saying things like "At 13 weeks you should be looking and feeling fantastic" when actually I looked like a pissed off walrus and was still puking 3 times a day. Oh well, only another 3-4 weeks to go if memory serves me correctly.

Mynameis I am so sorry to hear that your outcome was bad. My thoughts are with you.

Jardins So glad to hear that your scan was good and that you have now moved. Perhaps life will get a little less fraught now? As for your issues in the bottom dept you are clearly not alone although my problems have been the opposite – have been constipated and erm, farty although the worst now seems to be over thank god. I can sympathise with your swine flu worries – none of us need that right now. I think Thandekas suggestion is a good one re increased vigilance. Short of keeping indoors until late 2010 it strikes me that there doesn’t seem much else we can do.

Thandeka Goodness me, your life is never dull! Your reaction to this fight seemed very measured and sensible. Mind you, most people wouldn’t have stopped at all. As for your rocketing sex drive think yourself lucky! Mine is still missing – presumed to be returning at some point soon.

*Mummyto pebs* Congrats on reaching 12 weeks and telling work – must be a big relief all round!

Dalrymps I hope your morning sickness passes soon although that means you will probably worry more. I know what you mean about the pressure of keeping things a secret – it can be very difficult. It is harder for the mother to be to keep schtum as they are the ones having to vomit discreetly/nap/generally feel poo without letting the world catch on. Because of my previous mc I found it very easy to keep quiet this time but first time round with my DS I found it very difficult. DH and I compromised by telling just a couple of very close friends but that was it.

Pinky Hope your booking in went well and I have my fingers crossed for your Saturday scan!
Have a good day everyone x

Hey ladies,

Pinky - Hope your MS naffs off soon! How did your booking in app go?

mynameis - So so sorry to hear your news . I really hoped it would be a positive outcome for you... Please do hang around, hope you're back soon with a new little bean growing strong. Hope you're doing ok, well as ok as you can be at the moment.

Thandeka - Thanks for the wedding anniversary good luck

At your stabbing story!!! How scary! You certainly did the right thing.

westlondongirl - Sorry you're still feeling so bad, wish there was something they could do to help you. Glad your scan went well and you saw the heartbeat, must have been a wonderful moment

quirkychic - Hope you get the blood results you want

HappyBump - Glad to see you back. Did you have a nice time?

Jardins - I have had loose stools sometimes and been constipated others, seems to swing between the two?! Sure it's just your body adjusting but if you're worried then see the gp... Keep hydrated though!

Jardins - You're not being ridiculous! Just do what you feel comfotable with, i'd probably feel the same in your position.

mummytopebs - How did work react?

Well, felt sick on and off today. Had to eat a crisp and marmite sandwich at 10am to stop myself spewing! I've gone from wishing for ms to wanting it to bugger off in a very short space of time.

Can't believe i'll be 7wks on fri. Seems to have come round quickly but slowly at the same time iyswim, every day is slow but then suddnely it's just here.

Was winging to dh about when to tell people today. As you know my bil and sil x2 know but noone else. Dh doesn't want to tell anyone else till 12 weeks. In theory I like this idea but I think it's harder for me than it is for him, he just has to keep schtum. I on the other hand have to pretend not to feel sick, refuse alcohol without looking suspicious, refuse certain foods and just generally act 'not pg'. It's quite tiring and although I like it being our secret i'm already not enjoying the sneaking around about it and just want to blurt it out (especially to his parents as we go round there all the time) so I can just relax and stop 'pretending'. Ok rant over. Any oppinions on this?

Jardins- get your daughter some alcohol rub and ask your mum to be extra vigilant about handwashing esp. after being on public transport etc. It would be a real shame for DD to miss the trip and with a few simple precautions she will be absolutely fine.

Jardins you are not being ridicoulus (i have tried to spell that 4 times and its still not right, pregnancy brains), i am quite concerned about swine flu but i just keep thinking you could get it anywhere so not letting it stop me doing things.

I have told work today - yey, and its a big weight off my mind.

DD has an important hosp appt and they have changed it to the same day and time of my scan so i am going to have to try and change my scan, hope they dont out it back!

OK, here's the next pregnancy related worry. My daughter is having her annual 3 week stay with my parents in UK. They all have a lovely time so it's great BUT my mother (who gets on my nerves sometimes as many mothers do) has bought tickets to visit Convent Garden backstage with my daughter (who is mad about ballet these days). I am simply concerned about Swine Flu (yawn from all mumsnetters) and I can't help thinking that taking her to London is a bit risky. What do you guys think? I'm just worried that should she catch it and bring it home to France (where for the moment epidemic levels are much lower than in UK) I will not be able to look after her without running the risk of catching it. Plus, since we have just moved, I know nobody who can help out in hours of need. Am I being ridiculous? It's taken me 9 months to get pregnant and this is my last chance to have a baby. Sigh

jardins I wouldn't be offered it here as the cut off is 1/250! I think if the risk of mc is much higher than the risk of down's I would probably not. I would be happy with 1/344, still very low risk. My parents are in France, I think care over there is generally much better. Though, as I had private scan, you are generally treated pretty well for your money. Told I can phone consultant if I have any questions etc. He will phone me if risk after bloods is more than 1/250.

Hello quirkychick - just a quick question: would you do the amnio if you were 1/344 (like myself)? You made me laugh when you asked if the doctors were twice as bad in UK; OF COURSE they are!!!!! Only joking!!!!!!!!!!

Jardins i had the terrible runs yesterday too. I am glad I am not the only one, it makes you feel so drained especially when accompanied by the dreaded MS. What joy!

How sacrey Thandeka

Have my booking in appointment today, will be dodging any swine flu sufferers in the surgery!

Also booked a private dating reassurrance scan for Saturday and am now really nervous about it.

Hello to everyone!

Oh jardins so far I have had diarrhoea, constipation, trapped wind and OMG disgusting smelling wind. Seem to have settled down a bit now, but am eating probably a little more fibre/veg now. Not into fruit though. I think the relaxin makes the bowel muscles really useless sluggish. Sometimes it takes me 30mins to poo, it's so slow!!!

yup i have it now. its not like tummy exoplosion "bum wee" like you get with a bug. but i do poo about 3-4 times a day and they are loose- have had this for weeks now. (the skid marks are a sight to behold!)- boak!

am so beyond embarrassment on this thread now!

I can't eat veg at mo and am getting very little fibre so am sure it will ease up!

don't worry jardins!

Thank you so much Ciara11 for putting my mind at rest. You're a star. One can't help worrying. Just out of curiosity has anybody else had the same symptoms?

Hi Jardins Like you i had diarrhea in the early stages, lasted from about week 6 to week 12 ish. Spoke to midwife who said it was quite normal and to try and eat more fibre and drink loads and eventually it would get better.

Im now 15+1 weeks and havent had it for couple of weeks, however i have now gone the other way and am slightly constipated.

You cant win can you?

Hope you get over it soon.

Morning everybody! Lovely to read your news HappyBump. Welcome back.

I have a slightly embarrassing question to ask you all, which is connected to our friend, Morning Sickness' (mine is afternoon and evening and even night sickness, but what the hell). Apart from dry retching (yummy) I have been most fortunate not to throw up. HOWEVER since the early weeks I have had diarrhea, or loose stools most days. I have no other symptoms so am virtually certain there is no bug or food poisoning but I am getting a little weary of running to the toilet now that I am in my 12th week. Has anybody else experienced this? If so what have you been doing about it?

Best wishes to you all.

hello all
I've just got back from my holiday. I've been taking a peek at this thread whilst I was away but have been unable to post until now. All was good and I'm feeling fine, even the ridiculously long flight wasn't too bad.

mynameis I am sorry to hear your news

jardins congrats on your scan and the move, nice to see you back too

thandeka very scary for you, life is never dull for you and your bean!

quirky it sounds like your scan went well. I was told in my last pregnancy when I lived in Canada that the amnio risk is nowadays more like 1:200 rather than 1:100. Where I live now they discourage any form of testing so I don't know what the stats are. I have age related worries as well.

Olga1 good luck for your scan today, let us know how it went.

mummytopebs I think we might be almost on the same timescale. I too have to wait until next week until my scan ... time is drrraggging!

WLG I hope that you are able to find something to ease the sickness.

big wave to everyone else, it's nice to be back!

mynameis – so sorry about your news, thinking of you.

Thandeka - what a scare, poor you. For what it's worth, I don't think the adrenalin will have done the bean any harm.

westlondongirl - v glad to hear about your bean's heartbeat but you have my sympathy re the MS, sounds awful

Well done, Jardins on your nuchal scan.

I had my private nuchal scan today and I came out at 1:101 with my age(38) so the consultant recommends the integrated triple blood test next week. We are looking for a less than 1:250 or I will be referred for amnio if I want it. Interesting you say the risk is 1:200 in France, Jardins, as here it is 1:100. Are British doctors twice as bad? The measurement was still withing normal range, but at the higher end. Risks for other chromosomal abnormalities was very low. So I feel I'm kind of where I started with in that I know I'm higher risk as an older mummy until I get the blood results back.

Thandeka you are making me glad I don't live in London anymore! But well done you for doing the right thing.

westlondongirl hope things get better for you soon.

OMG Thandeka - well done for helping & protecting your bean! 7 weeks today - had a scan yesterday & it has a heartbeat which is good news. Still being horribly sick & losing weight. Doctor is keeping an eye on me but nothing she has given me has worked. Fell like s**t. The stress of being out of work isn't helping.

oh my what a day- I witnessed a stabbing/fight aftermath- just walking along and a guy runs from a side street shouting covered in blood from a head wound. I phone 999 and get police and ambulance. Loads of people standing around doing nothing. I'm a qualified first aider but he was too angry and agressive so I didnt dare approach him. I had to hide round the corner for a bit as he was running about and i didnt know who he was going to approach and my priority was me and bean. Police came quickly and I walked on (they said I could)- I was really shaking and it was very scary so adrenaline probably didnt do bean much good. On way back past they had cordoned off the area as a crime scene so I spoke to the officer in charge and they took more details about what I had seen and told me I did the right thing especially considering my condition. Phew. Sometimes I don't like living in London!
Perhaps if I don't leave the house for next 6 months all will be fine!

Oh, mynameis so sorry for your news. I hope to see you on here soon (or when you feel ready) with better news.

I guess it is not reported much as it is all really new. If my son got it I would be the one nursing him better, so chances are I would get it too.

Yeah my doc said you need to spend an hour within a metre of someone with it to get it and none of the frontline people at the docs surgert has got it.

Just spoke to school and I am defo off til end of term and possibly sept - perhaps they have heard the catastrophic advice too. Crumbs! My doc didnt say that. I wonder if there have been swine flu sufferers who lost their babies hence this sudden about change? Not reported in news much?

Thank you for that Thankdea it reassures me that I am not being paranoid about Swine flu. I rang the doctors surgery this moring and asked for a doctor to call me and advise what I should do re sending my son to school. A nurse eventually called me back and she began the conversation by saying that it would be catastrophic for the baby if I were to catch swine flu and yet she still said that I should send him to school as he could catch it from someone in the street anyway. She then went on to contradict herself by saying you need to spend an hour with someone before you could catch it. I pointed it out to her that her advise was confusing and so I will keep him at home. Sounds to me like the NHS is rather confused by it all at the moment, or just that I got a badly informed nurse.

I wanted to separate out my posts:
Jardins- that is great news hurrah! Is the nausea easing up at all? (the only thing keeping me going at the min is the thought surely it won't last much longer.

Mummytopebs- yay for 12 weeks!

Dalrymps- your booking in appt is day after my first wedding anniversary- therefore law of Thandeka luck means that all will be fine.

Pinkyblue123 I am a teacher and my school has been hit with Swine Flu. Apparently all pregnant women are beings sent home til the end of term (YAY!) so am waiting for the call confirming (am not in work on a tuesday!) So I think fairy nuff to keep squiglets off- its not long til end of term anyhow.

Love and ginger biscuits (retch) to us all.
(Ginger sets me off now! grim!)

Mynameis so sorry to hear your news . I was so hoping it would be better news for you. Thinking of you at this sad time .

So sorry to hear that mynameis thinking of you.
xxx

So sorry to hear your sad news mynameis

mynameis I am so sad to see your message. Sending a big cyber hug. You must feel dreadful - hope we see you again here really soon. xxx

I think i would be tempted to keep my dd off if there was swinfe flu in her nursery. DD has just come out in blistery spots, going to gp at 11.30 but think she has chicken pox, she has had it before but has a comprimsed immune system so gets things again

Hi ladies.

Unfortunately it is not good news for me. Babys heart has stopped beating and now need treatment for an incomplete miscarriage.

I am so pleased to read all your good news and will keep up with the thread to see how you are all doing.

Hopefully I can join again soon

Hi Ladies,
i have not posted for a while as have been feeling so terrible , all day MS, Yuk. I have scanned all your messages and am glad to hear there have been some positive scans and that some of you have now reached the golden 12 week mark.

i am now 7 +4 and am going to try and book a private dating scan today as I am really nervous about this pregancy as my last one ended in MC at 11 weeks.

Also I a really nervous as there is swine flu at my DS school, so i have been keeping him off school, much to the dismay of the headmaster! But I am firstly worried about him and my DD getting it and secondly worried it might affect my little bean.He is only in reception class so I don't think it is going to affect his education too much. His best friend was diagnosed with swine flu yesterday, so i think I am doing the right thing.

Evening ladies,

Jashook - Yes, it is completely normal . I keep saying to dh that i'm scared somethin will be wrong at the 12 wk scan and he should be prepared incase it is . No reason, just unnecessary worrying!

Thandeka - I'm afraid my hornyness has dissapeared with the arrival of my ms! Poor dh. I'm also worried about it causing a mc even though I know for a fact there is no risk!

Jardins - fabulous news on your scan! Great that all the measurements are fine and that baby is doing well. Scary decision to have to make about the other test, hope you manage to come to a decision you're comfortable with

Itsalwaysthequietones - Hi!

mummytopebs - Congratulations on reaching the 12 wk mark! I'm sure everyhing will be fine at your scan by the sounds of things!

I'm doing ok today. Got my booking in app from the midwives today, it's for 3rd aug when i'll be 9 1/2 wks, eek, excited! Nausea a bit better today, hasn't been as constant. Just had it before lunch, before tea, after tea and now. Counting the days away, 6wks 3 days today, going so slooow!

Yey 12 weeks today hip hip hooray x Just wish i had my scan quicker cos its not till next wed and i am still worrying that emby is not alive in there. My nauseua has now passed but am still absolutly knackered and absolutly massive - yes ladies i am now in maternity jeans - suppose i will have to tell work this week they must have already guessed.

Welcome to Jashook and congrats to Thandeka on getting past that milestone - the 31st will be here before you know it.

Have a nice day ladies.

Jardins is back after a successful move to our little rented house amongst the vineyards of Vouvray (near Tours). We've just got internet so here I am back in touch with you all. I have read your posts and will answer in more detail soon.

The great news is that I had my 12 week scan this morning (at 8 am, blimey!) and all went brilliantly. All the measurements are spot on and I am particularly proud of my nuchal skin fold measurement which is perfect. The doctor plugged all the fetal measurments into his softwear PLUS my age (40) to calculate the risks of abnormalities, etc. My age alone would have put me at 1 in 52 but with scan results puts me at 1 in 354! He explained that 1 fetus in 200 are lost during the amiocentisis. So we need to decide between the 1 in 200 and my risk factor of 1 in 354. Am I being clear? He was, thank goodness!

I feel enormously relieved. Apart from that the nausea continues with general stomach upset (yep, I've still got the runs most days). Yukkkkkkkkkk

Welcome Jashook!

Right ladies- we discussed this earlier in the thread but just wanted to ressurect it -

How are ladies going with ahem marital relations now . I know a lot of us were avoiding it for ages because of MC. But erm ahem my sex drive has absolutely skyrocketed in last couple of weeks of pregnancy am only 10 weeks now so a bit worried about whether jumping on DH is going to do any harm- but heck I have been doing. Twice yesterday in fact [Grin]

Thankyou quirkychick and Dalrymps

Dalrymps I am giggling hysterically! but I'm obsessing over sillier things - I'd almost welcome a digestive cramp in case it meant MS starting!! My symptoms, such as they are, seem to be fading today. I am mortified that I have so far not thrown up. Have convinced myself that there is a) no embryo and b) that if there is something horrible has happened to it.

Is this normal?! Not even 6 weeks and I'm convinced the world is going to end. How am I supposed to last 12 weeks?

Morning ladies,

I feel so sick today, felt sick most of yesterday too. Am actually pleased in a way as I didn't 'feel' pg, well I do now <boak>

Thandeka - I'm sure everyhthing is going to be just fine now you have reached this point. You certianly are displaying all the signs of a hormonal pg lady!

Olga1 - Good luck for the scan on wed

JasHook - Welcome and congratualtions on tour BFP! . I haven't had a mc either but am suitably terrified also so you'll fit in just fine here. This will make you laugh, yesterday I had a huge cramp in my tummy, I thought 'oh no whats happening', a few mintues later I realised it had just been 'wind' . The silliest things are freaking me out!

Welcome JasHook congratulations on your bfp.

Good afternoon ladies

I don't know if you'll be happy with me sitting in your lounge as I haven't gone through MC....but I got my BFP on Monday, am 5w+4 and absolutely. Bloody. Terrified.

By everything.

Reading this thread made me realise that I'm not alone in having turned into someone who's now terrified beyond reason every time she has to visit the bathroom. Thankyou all for posting and being so open about what you've been feeling.

Thandeka-I'm sure you will be fine-especially with those symptoms! I've reached 6 weeks today and oh my word- I forgot about this constant overwhelming feeling of nausea-am going for aome acupuncture tomorrow.
We're doing well ladies hang in there!
Will let you know how my scan goes Wed-thank you all your your supprt and kind words!x

Hurrah for quirkychick and itsalwaysthequietones!

Today I am 10 weeks plus 2- yesterday was the day I miscarried the last pregnancy so I was a bit on edge. But since I vomited up my tea then promptly burst into tears because DH couldn't hear me and I needed him to get me a glass of water am going to assume am still pregnant and past my last pregnancy milestone. So now is just a wait til 31st for my next scan.

Hope everyone is well.

Hope mummytopebs is able to get on here to post later- apparently poor love has been excluded from this thread for some techy reason.
xxx

itsalwaysthequietones glad all went well for you today, was thinking about you - it's so reassuring to see that little heartbeat. I think Thandeka has the info on extent mc rate drops but think it must be quite low.

itsalwaysthequietones - So glad your scan went well, mut have been amazing to see

hi ladies,

westlondongirl - really sorry about your job and I really hope the acupuncture has some impact.

scan was all fine. Suggested I'm 7+2 rather than 7+5 which fits with my cycle length but was really, really reassuring to see the little heartbeat thumping away. So sweet and I think DH was even more relieved than me, he's been really worried this pregnancy. Does anyone know to what extent the m/c risk drops once you've seen a heartbeat at 7 weeks?

Quirkychick - great news that you are successfully past the 12-week mark and had a good scan.

quirkychic - So happy for you that the scan went well you're well on the way to holding that lo in your arms aww!

Thank you for the lovely messages. Well, I had the scan today and I am now 12+1 rather than 12+5 which puts me back to my original dates. The little one was very wriggly and it took the sonographer a while to measure up. He/she waved too! So all's well.

What's not so great is that due to a dvt last time I am now on daily heparin injections and have had scan, nurse, doctor, blood test and collected syringes which all took 3 hours! I'm not sure how morning sickness and injecting myself will go...still better than dvt again.

I guess I'm pretty much past the 4wks and bricking it stage now, although I have nuchal scan next wk. Will lurk a bit to see how you are all getting on. Good luck anybody else with scans today.

Lovelymonster - x posted. How exciting you heard the heartbeat!!!

Hi ladies,

Thandeka - Glad going back to work went ok and everyone was so nice

Wasabi - So pleased your scan went ok! Must have really put your mind at rest. Bet it was great to see the lo on the screen!

Olga1 - Welcome! Sorry to hear about your mc's eptopic . I'm sure everything will work out just fine this time. Good luck with the scan

itsalwaysthequietones - Spotting can be quite common, sure everything will be ok. Hope the scan goes ok.

Westlondongirl - Glad the docs are taking your sickness seriously but sorry you've lost your job . Could you do something like ironing from home? Cheap to set up and you can do it when it suits you? (i'm just suggesting this cause i'm thinking of doing it myself)

Quirkychic - Hope the scan goes ok

Well, I have actually felt sick most of today, not enough to be sick but enough to put me off certain foods. I'm actually pleased as was beinging to think I was imagining being pg! I am exhausted too, slept from 10.45pm till 7am last night, had a nap from 9.20 till 11 this morning (whilst ds had his nap) and i'm still tired now! 6 weeks pg tomorrow

Sorry that you are having such a nightmare time westlondongirl. I hope you are feeling better soon!

Good luck for the scans tomorrow.

My friend is a midwife and she came around tonight. She could pick up the heartbeat on her dopplar!! so exciting! Im 9+1!

westlondongirl you poor thing, is there any chance that your employers are in the wrong? I didn't think you could dismiss someone when pg, but obviously I don't know the details, is it worth checking where you stand legally? Tricky when you feel so rotten. You have my complete sympathy Thandeka is right, ms is a real evil! I hope things get a little better for you.

itsalwaysthequietones I also have a scan tomorrow, my dating scan (had an early one at 7.5 too due to bleeding). So will be thinking of you too. I have had some vague brown smears (?) but as scan tomorrow have left it, feeling slightly apprehensive too.

Good luck with your scan itsalwaysthequietones, let us know how you get on. After a week of being horribly sick I have been diagnosed with hyperemisis & told that I won't be able to go back to work for a while. Due to the kind of work that I do it means I have now lost the job. I have booked in for my repeat scan on Monday. Feel very stressed - money is going to be a real worry now. Just wish I could have more than an hour a day without feeling nauseous....... Tried Phenergan this morning but it seemed to make me feel worse. Going for acupuncture again tomorrow.

Welcome to Olga and v sorry to hear about your MCs and ectopic. Keep us posted about your scan.

Hello to all you other ladies. I'm now 7.4 but have had some spotting in the past couple of days so GP has referred me for a scan tomorrow. I'm feeling positive about it and really hoping it shows that all is well.

Hi-nice to see you all here and happy to join you if that's ok. It is all about wishing time away which I know isn't an ideal way to live life but this is such a precious time for us all. I'll be 6 weeks on Sat and have already been for blood work following some spotting and have an early scan booked for next week. I'm trying to stay relaxed and positive. I have a gorgeous 26 year old girl but after having her we unfortunately had 2 miscarriages and 1 ectopic in December where I lost a tube. I'm so happy we are pregnant again, and like a lot of you am keeping it very very quiet this time. I am having low cramps on my right side (the side my tube was removed, started last night and are still there this a.m., am hoping for the best. If I'm still unsure I may go in Sat rather than wait for my appt Wed next week. Happy to be sitting in this lounge ladies!

Hi everyone,
I have been really slack with posting lately as it has been crazy busy at Chez Peanut. I have been so desperately tired that my usual MN times when Ds is napping have been given over to sleep. I haven’t been able to keep my eyes open. We have also had an offer accepted on a house and sold ours so fingers crossed no more house hunting.

And.......I had another scan yesterday at 10+2 and all is well with the little peanut. Measuring 4cm and had a heartbeat of 168bpm. It looked so peaceful, just snoozing in its womb. I managed to wake it up by laughing and it gave a few little wiggles, rubbed its forehead and settled back down to sleep! So cute.

mynameis I’m so sorry that your scan was inconclusive. Try to hold on to the fact that 50/50 isn’t actually a bad set of odds. There are lots of stories on MN where this was the scenario early on and all proved to be well. x

Welcome Ilovebeingamummy and congrats! You have had a horrid time of it and I really hope that this little bean turns out to be a keeper. It seems that so far the omens are good although I think all of us on this thread can sympathise with the intense feelings of worry, distress and general paranoia. I am now 10+3 and still knicker check every time I go to the loo.
BTW, as the recipient of a botched induction which led to an emergency c section after 18 pretty agonizing hours I whole heartedly agree with your views on induction. One thing is for sure – nobody is coming near me with a synto drip ever again.

*West London* Oh you poor thing you sound like you are having a nightmare. The misery of ms truly knows no bounds. I’m afraid that if it doesn’t ease then you will have to take some time off work. I know the timing sucks but there isn’t much alternative unless you can be prescribed an anti emetic that you can keep down. Try not to worry too much about dates and what have you – there seem to be lots of explanations for dates coming in later than thought and it would be unusual to be this sick if nothing was cooking in there! There is a margin of error in scans of around a week which in t he early days can make a hell of a difference.

Thandeka that is great news about your scan and that you are starting to relax. Seeing little emby’s is just the best feeling isn’t it? Actually, isn’t it now a foetus? I also second that these draggy feelings are all quite normal. I am sure when I was pg with ds that I would know when he had a growth spurt as the same thing would occur and I would get really painful stitches when walking to work. Then it would go away for a couple of weeks, reappear etc. All good and a sign of a growing bambino!

Caitni Welcome and good luck with the scan!

Hi to everyone else I have missed x

Westlondongirl- MS is evilness and you shouldn't feel weak or that everyone else copes. Seriously my MS is a fraction of what you have and I am a wailing mess lying on the sofa so I am very in awe of you even being able to type! Hope it eases soon (not enough to cause worry but enough to enable you to function!)

I went back to work today for the first time in 4.5 weeks and everyone was lovely- told a few people including my boss and everyone was very happy for me. Have worked out that if this one works out I will have been pregnant for a whole year (10weeks then MMC then 2 week gap then pregnant again!)- lucky me!

Oh and best bit of my day? The powercut at 2pm that meant all the kids got sent home
Have 6 lessons tommorrow though- that will be grim. Am also 10 weeks tommorrow and friday is the day I MC in my last pregnancy but am hopeful that wont be happening this time since emby is 7 times the size of last emby.

How is everyone?
Jardins? Happybump? haven't heard from in a while. Hope all is ok.
xxx

Anyone heard from Jardins??????

Oh westlondongirl you poor thing, I get ms badly but not as badly as that I've never had medication for it. I think you should go back, possibly see a different doctor and see if they can give you something else. I am 12wks (scan on fri) and am still being sick, I think in the first pg I was sick until about 16wks so I would definitely see what else you can take, perhaps search another thread on hyperemisis (severe ms).

Congratulations Thandeka on your scan!

westlondon - So sorry you're suffering. I thin you should see the doc again and try a different medication. You can't keep on like this, demand some further help from them, you deserve it.

Thandeka - Congratualtions on the scan!

Feeling a tiny bit sick today and very pleased about it, was begining to think I imagined being pg!

Hi Myanmeis. He has said to keep going with the cyclizine but it is doing nothing!! I keep dry heaving all the time especially if I have to go in a car or stand up. When I woke up this morning I though I was ok. I slowly stood up & instantly threw up bile. My stomach is so sore. I have about 2 hours a day in the afternoon where the nausea subsides when I try to eat but other than that I am constantly nauseous. It keeps me awake at night. :-(

I meant MORE medication.

Oh westlondongirl it sounds awful, certainly reassuring as a symptom but a nightmare to live with.

Think you are going to have to take some time off, rest definately should help.

Has Dr given you any medication?

Hi Everyone. Still having a nightmare with morning sickness. Was sent home from work today as I couldn't stop being sick. Haven't kept down anything for a couple of days now. Went to the doctor & he has told me i'm going to have to take a few days off to rehydrate & try & feel better (otherwise will have to go into hospital). The thing is i'm around 5/6 weeks & all the articles say this sickness could last at least another 6 weeks. I know I should be really pleased that I have it but I feel dreadful & if I can't work i will be in deep financial trouble which is stressing me so much. I have tried all remedies for this sickness medical & alternative & just can't get a handle on it. I feel like i must be really weak because everyone else just seems to be able to find a way of coping.

That site is great! That has reassured me at least about size, now just the heartbeat to worry about! Aarrgghh fed up with living in limbo

ack your Dr can sod off- my emby was 5.6mm at 7weeks so smaller than yours (which admittedly caused panic at the time) but it has quadrupled in size 2.5 weeks later.

This site: http://www.visembryo.com/baby/14.html may reassure you as 35days post ov is 7 weeks (5weeks emby old plus the 2weeks pre ov)

Am keeping fingers crossed for you.

ack your Dr can sod off- my emby was 5.6mm at 7weeks so smaller than yours (which admittedly caused panic at the time) but it has quadrupled in size 2.5 weeks later.

This site: http://www.visembryo.com/baby/14.html may reassure you as 35days post ov is 7 weeks (5weeks emby old plus the 2weeks pre ov)

Am keeping fingers crossed for you.

Thanks for all your kind words.

Thandeka I'm delighted for you

Dr said to that emby is a little small at 6.4mm. What is the average for 7 weeks?

Congratulations Thandenka x I am 11 weeks now and my 12 week scan is not actually till 13 and a half weeks and it feels so long away. I am worrying that i am further on but what if emby has died inside, arrrrrrrrghh wish i could get these thoughts out of my head. Does anyone else feel totally wiped out i am shattered all the time and cant be bothered to do anything x

Hi All

Welcome caitni
Thandeka congrats on scan- full steam ahead!
mynameis - sorry scan did not go as well as hoped. My thoughts are with you and hope your bean is a sticky little mite!

I am 8+5 today and having lots of pokey pains. anyone else experiencing this?
My ms has only been very mild and some days not at all. Some women just dont have it right?

Just wanted to say congratulations to Thandeka - that's great news about the scan! I'm delighted for you .

Hope everyone else gets good news at their scans too.

OK, now back to lurking on this thread (am 6 weeks today and have my first scan next Tuesday).

That's fabulous news thandeka, am so pleased for you. My 12 week scan can't come quick enough! (Like you I'm 9w 5d).

mynameis sorry your scan didn't give you the reassurance you need. 50/50 chance means all is not lost... fingers crossed for you over the next couple of weeks.

As for me, my sickness has all but disappeared in the last couple of days so I'm a little concerned. But there's nothing I can do about it- I find the EPU so stressful that without bleeding/cramps, I'm staying away- so it's a case of roll on 12w!

Hi all,
Mynameis fingers crossed for you and thinking of you. Hope you are signed off work and taking it easy.

Thankyou Ciara and ILBAM for reassuring me about the "pains" they are keeping me awake at night now- am just so aware of something there! I also threw up this morning before the scan which made me feel hopeful- and to the scan...

My emby is now 28mm (thats like 4times the size it was two and a half weeks ago and 7 times the size my lost emby was!) the heart is beating and sonographer dated me at 9 and a half weeks (my dates are 9weeks 5 days so quite happy with that). I think my miscarriage risk is now about 1% so not that I will entirely relax but I feel so much better now. I am going back to work tommorrow sickness permitting. Can I just do a muted yipeeeeeee!

so sorry mynameis - for some reason the later posts didn't show until after I posted.

I hope the next 2 weeks fly by and all is well x

Hi Thandeka- thanks for your reassurance. My turn to do it for you - those dragging pains are completely normal (I have a dd and ds to show for mine) and I have it this time too.

No idea why I don't remember the discharge bit (blocked out the tmi!) LOL

I know totally what you mean about sooner rather than later - my mcs have been so early and the only thing that kept my head above water is feeling it would have been so much worse further on - i only got 5 days of 'being' pregnant each time.

All the love and luck in the world for tomorrow's scan.

Mynameis - I hope your scan went well too and your discharge was a normal as mine!

mynameis keeping my fingers crossed for you. I think 50/50 just means they don't really know which is not very helpful, but as dalrymps says at least they are not totally pessimistic.

mynameis - So sorry to hear that. I'm going to try to be optomistic for you and say 50/50 is better than no chance, there's just as much it will be fine as not. Hoping that in 2 weeks it is better news. You must be feelnig worried, wish there was something I could say that would help but I doubt it. Please accept this non mn ((hug))

Hi ladies thanks for your posts.

Didn't go well today, baby's heartbeat is too slow and doctor has given me 50/50 for this pregnancy's chances

Have to go back in two weeks x

hi all,

Londongirl - try some exercise. I find that when im feeling bad i try to go for a brisk 30 min walk and that usually sorts the bnausea right out. I know thats hard when you are at work but i find sitting around doing nothing makes it far worse.

Thandeka just to say i am now 13+6 weeks and i got the same heavy/dragging feeling in my womb area around the 9-10 week mark (which i didnt get in my previous mc and mmc) i went on the knickercheckers thread and they said that this is normal as its all the bits moving around to make space for the bean.
It has now mainly stopped but i do still feel it occasionally.

mynameis like the others said at least you found it now and the scan is this afternoon, try not to panic and just see what they say, but fingers crossed all is ok, it can be quite normal to bleed in early pregnancy.

Good luck with your sticky beans everyone.

Sorry myname is - missed your post. Really hope all goes well at scan - will be thinking of you. Small amounts of bleeding v common, hopefully all will be well.

Westlondongirl - so sorry to hear you're having a difficult time. I think Thandeka is right though and nausea is generally considered to be a 'good' thing. (I got very excited over the weekend when I started to feel a bit queasy but it's possible I was just car sick...) And as for dates, agree with what others have said about v early scans being quite unreliable. I had one when pregnant with DD where they said it wasn't a viable pregnancy cos there was no hearbeat but it turned out I was out by a week or so and when I was scanned 10 days later there was a heartbeat. Very best of luck for the repeat scan and keep us posted.

Have booked myself in for a scan next Wed at what I make to be 8+3 but will probably be slightly less because I have a 31 day cycle. Am moody as hell, I don't remember being like this last time but I'm so grumpy and fed up with the world. And completely knackered. Can't work out if it's really the pregnancy or I'm just a lazy grumpy old cow. I suspect I know what my husband thinks though... Still haven't told anyone but DH. How about everyone else? Are you keeping it under wraps or telling family/friends?

mynameis- try not to panic- at least you found this before the scan not after.
Fingers crossed for you.

Oh mynameis, try not to worry (I know a lot easier said than done). Bleeding can happen for many many reasons during pg and it doesn't always mean anything bad. At least you have the scan so you can find out how things are. Got my fingers crossed for you that everything is just fine.

Hi everyone, hope you are feeling well today.

I am 7 weeks today and have my scan this afternoon. Just been to the loo and a slight bit of bloodstained discharge!

Can't believe it, I feel absolutely sick with worry now and i was just starting to look forward to this afternoon

ILBAM- Yup I posted previously on my "follow the yellow brick road disharge" I'll go with normal! Hurrah for getting past the evil point.

Westlondongirl you poor thing you are going through it. Good luck for your next scan. I find lying down and keeping as still as possible helps me and also accupuncture helps a little bit. Maybe try and visit one if you can. I am also constantly sipping a little bit of water throughout the day at the min and that helps. BTW I post this sentence from Wikipedia to cheer you up: Nausea and vomiting of pregnancy (NVP, or morning sickness) are associated with a decreased risk of miscarriage. Several mechanisms have been proposed for this relationship, but none are widely agreed on.[24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage
So the fact you are feeling so grim is a good thing and hopefully your next scan will be fine.

Friday is my milestone for me- 10 weeks 1 day- thats the day I miscarried last time. I know this sounds wrong but If I am going to lose this one I would much much rather it be sooner rather than later. The longer you have to get used to the idea of being pregnant/feel pregnant- the crueller it is when it doesn't work out! Well I have my scan at 9am tommorrow so I will know by then. Me and DH have already decided that if its another MMC I will try and stay in hospital and have it sorted that day- I don't want to miscarry at home ever again. Trouble is DH has a course tommorrow straight after the scan so if it is bad news I may have to be on my own. but fingers crossed its not bad news.

BTW anyone who has had a sucessful pregnancy before- can I ask if feeling kind of heavy dragging sensations in the womb area is "normal" as for the last week or so I have really been feeling them. They aren't like anything I have experienced before (not period or anything) its a bit achy but not painful (but kind of feels like something has become detached- which I hope not!) Am hoping its a good sign as I didnt have them last pregnancy at all.

How is everyone else doing?
x

thankyou Feeling sick as a parrot today so that makes me feel better....... lol

Ilovebeingamummy this is perfectly normal! Congratulations on reaching further than previous mcs.

Hi all

Well now I'm past the point I lost my last 3 pregnancies I am panicking about other things. predictably!

Just wondering (sorry for the tmi) whether anyone else feels constantly 'sticky' down there. I keep convincing myself it must be blood and when I check it is just cm - but it seems more than usual - ovulation sort of amounts I suppose but now EWCM and more yellowy.

Again apologies for the tmi but I can find the next thing to worry about if you have this too!

westlondongirl, (apologies to all those who've heard this before...)
I had a scan at what I thought was dead on 6 weeks and I was totally sure of my dates (only had bd twice that month) the scan showed absolutely nothing - just a small gestation sac.
Was told to not come back for 10 days but was also told it wasn't looking very good and to get some pain relief in! Ended up going to EPAU 6 days later and there was baby, yolk sac and hb! They told me my dates were 4-5 days out and that made all the difference.
I've since had a couple more scans and I've been dated back to my original dates.
I know it's not exactly the same but I suppose my point is it's very, very small at the moment and I think I've read enough stories to convince me that some little ones need more time than others to really get going.
I wish you lots of luck for your next scan x

westlondongirl ms is so miserable isn't it? Perhaps you need to go back to the gp and get something else for the sickness. I find different things work for a while. If you can't bear ginger, what about peppermint or lemon? You can get a cd that's supposed to help but I've no idea how good it is.

Good luck with your next scan, if it was too early they probably couldn't see anything. Might they offer you blood tests to check your hcg levels, can indicate that the pg is progressing well.

Aw westlondon, I know how you feel. With my last pg I tried allsorts and nothing seemed to work. Well, drinking lots of sparkling water helped but only cause I could keep it down, hard if even water is coming back up. Sea bands didn't work for me either but thought i'd suggest them cause they work for some people...

Eating little and often is good. I used to eat a digestive on waking which helped a bit. I liked bland things at first like pitta bread with homous and jacket potatos with cottage cheese.

I think sometimes it's just a case of finding somehing specific to you that helps. I think the best thing is to try and rest as much as poss.

I know you're starting a new job but if it's no better in a few weeks the doc could sign you off for a weeks or so to rest. They can't penalise you for it if it's pregnancy related...

Thanks Dalrymps & Lovely monster. I have been wearing my sea bands constantly & they aren't working for me. I checked with my acupuncturist that I had them positioned correctly. I am trying to eat little & often but everything I put in my mouth makes me gag. I can't bear any more ginger....

hi westlondon girl,

sorry that you are feeling so rubbish. sometimes nothing will help but try but rest whenever you can.

I had a similar thing when i went for early scan. they thought i was 5-6 weeks when i thought i was 6+1. They made me go back in two weeks and everything was fine and measuring up for 7+6 (so was 5+6 for first scan). Anyway my point being that early scans are quite unreliable as there is a fine line between seeing a baby (and hb) and not. All i can say is try not to worry too much and just take one day at a time. For my next pregnancy i will not be opting for an early scan!!!!

westlondon - Hope everything is ok when you go back in a few weeks. Sure the morning sickness is a good sign. Only thing I can think of to try is sea bands, they're accupressure wrist bands. You can get them in boots. Hope you feel better soon.

Hi Ladies, Had my scan yesterday & it was "unclear & Inconclusive". She thinks maybe I am 4/5 weeks pregnant as opposed to 6/7 which is weird because I was positive about the dates. Have to go back in two weeks to see if it is viable as it was too small to tell. That's kind of stressed me out as I still get cramping & am convinced that something is wrong. The thing which is really getting to me is the morning sickness. It kicked in with a vengeance 3 days ago. I was prescribed cyclizine as I can't keep water down....turns out I can't keep cyclizine down either & it makes me feel super drowsy & have a dry mouth. I have tried ginger, mints, pre natal vitamins, bland food, preggie pops (waste of money for essentially boiled sweets). I went for acupuncture yesterday too. I am at a total loss as to what to try now & feel miserable. I start a job tomorrow & am so worried of being sick at work. Really don't want to tell people yet but what choice will I have? The sickness is causing me to feel so so anxious & panicky as i've had bad stomach problems before. Does anyone have any suggestions as to something else that could help. SOS. By the way I had my scan at the london ultrasound centre & they were very good - expensive but worth it.

Well done for getting through today Ilovrbeingamummy! You deserve a break, sure this is it!

Congratulations ILBAM! I had my mc around the same time and know it was such a relief to get past that point!

forgot the important bit - my last 3 bfps were lost on this day

Hi ladies...

I have got through the day. My bfp is still there at 5+5/4+6.....

I thought I would feel better...but I am still bricking it and hoping I am not going to feel like this for the next 9 months....

mummytopebs I think blue cheese is ok if cooked as risk is listeria and presumably would kill bacteria but would check this. Glad you had a lovely time. Funny what your body wants to eat isn't it?

Hi Ladies x Sorry havent been around for a while, have been sweltering in 90 degrees heat for a week in the Lake District in our caravan, and had a brill time.

Hope everyone is well, i am just going to read through what i have missed over the last week.

My nauseua has ceased a bit, seems to be more on night now rather than all day, seem to have a bit of a lova affair with creamy soups - mushroom, chicken, cauliflower, am craving broccoli and stilton soup - Do we think this will be ok to eat?

Can't do melon here either, or strawberries or orange juice. Nasty heartburn after it's come up too. Can do apples again now, though.

Hello to Ilovebeingamummy the stronger +ve sounds good. I had mc last year and had a dodgy +ve with it.

Melon! That was the culprit for me too!
I had been led to believe it was wonderful for morning sickness.
Down (up?) with melon!

Your poor nose....

I just vomited out my nose! (I see your vomit talk and raise you!)

It really burns! It was in between meals too- unusual- normally I throw up during or immediately after eating- was only melon and orange juice but grim grim grim on way back up.

my poor snozz! The crunchy nut cornflakes i had after have helped me feel human again though- have a massage booked tonight which am looking forward too and asked my accupuncturist to take away the nausea/vomming so hopefully it will start to ease off soon.

ILBAM maybe consider changing your LMP date to be 14 days before you ov'ed? (who would know!) Thats what the midwife did with me- (but thats because I didnt have a period after my miscarriage on 19th April- but ov'ed on 14th May so they took my LMP to be 1st May even though it wasn't! In fact last time i got pregnant I ovulated on day 24 and this time I ovulated on day 26- think my eggs only like to be fertilised if they have had plenty of boiling time!

Congrats Ilovebeingamummy. Hope this bean sticks- the signs are good!

I have a longer cycle, though wasn't sure when I ov'd. I discovered at an early scan (due to bleeding, not a planned scan) that my LMP date was a whole week out. So I think you're right to delay things slightly to avoid anxiety, and also disappointment! That extra week draggggged for me. And you never know, by erring on the side of caution you might discover that you are in fact further on than you thought- how good would that be?!
Best of luck.

How is everyone today? I had my second fully fledged vomit this morning. Er, hurrah? Unfortunately pastries seem to be my ms cure at the moment- had a pain au raisin for brekkie after chucking up healthy fruit. Oink.
(Sorry for the sick talk...)

Nope still didn't work - must learn to preview....

that should be *ILBAM steps off pedestal*!

All this dating confusion is really why induction at 40+12 should be adjusted to 42 weeks imho (preventing all these unnecessary traumatic instrumental and caesarean births)

+ILBM steps off pedestal....*

Thanks Thandeka - thats kind of what I was trying to get at - i know they will date from LMP but I don't want to get into being sent for a scan too early and getting stressed.

You have confirmed what I thought. I saw ovulation by temps and CB monitor. Exactly 14 days before end of cycle.

So really I need to wait another 3 weeks. Ok..I can handle that....

LOL - if bean stays there past 5+5/4+6 I will be much happier anyway

I did 'date' the others from LMP but I had LPD so I was only 14dpo (+ve hpt from 9dpo) when I lost them. CPs I guess but awful nonetheless.

Well done for getting so far and good luck for your next scan - your baby will be so used to the u/s it will be waving at you!!

Ilovebeingamummy welcome and congratulations! That sounds really really positive about your strong positive- hurrah! By the way if you are dating your pregnancy by your LMP but you didn't ovulate on day 14 then that isn't quite correct. If you ovulated on day 20 that puts your pregnancy 6 days behind where you think it is. (You add 2weeks to ovulation date to work it out) so making you 4weeks+4 I think (crap at maths!). I'm really sorry I don't want to stress you out with that info(but if you dated your other pregnancies in same way then you may have lost them earlier too if that makes sense?).
Did you know when you ovulated for previous pregnancies? How did you tell you ovulated this pregnancy? (sorry I am a reproductive physiology geek!)

I would suggest trying to hold out until 7weeks (by ovulation date) if you can. As you should be able to see a heartbeat by then. But i know I probably wouldn't be able to (no patience!)- but defo not before 6 weeks as seeing a heartbeat is unlikely and may cause additional stress and anxiety which isnt what you need. (My history last pregnancy- had viable scan heartbeat and everything at 6weeks 3days- emby died a few days later but I didnt miscarry til 10weeks 1day- no period in between- got pregnant again - arranged scan for 7 weeks but then had to go to a&e wit suspected ectopic at 5weeks 3days- scan unsure about fetal pole, no HB (too early) 10 days for another scan at 7 weeks- HB seen but bit small for dates- now waiting for 3rd scan next tues 9.5weeks for my official reassurance scan before my 12 week scan- so I am overscanned a bit and its a mixed blessing- brings stress and relieves stress in equal measure!

Anyhow fingers crossed for you.

Can I join?

I am 5+3 today - but I have had 3 mc since sept 08 all lost at 5+5 so I am going to be terrified at least until Saturday.

The others didn't show as +ve until day af due though and then only faint, whereas this as a strong bfp 3 days before af due.

Am bit confused with dates though because I am 5+3 by LMP but on 34 day cycle ov day 20 so only 17 dpo so in terms of scan i need to wait a week longer than my lmp would suggest I think....so how early can I go????

Well I felt sick today but I think it was actually cause of the sun . Walked round town for an hour and a half this aft with ds and when I got back I had a terrible headache and felt really sick . Tried to eat my tea but had to go for a lie down in the end, feeling better now though so I must have just overheated.

Congratulations to lovelymonster on your scan!

Thandeka and Joy I am the same with previous food: have also gone off marmite, peppermint tea, lemonade lollies even apple and ginger juice doesn't stay down. Basically, as soon as you find something that works it changes - ahh. I guess you just have to find out what your body wants at this moment in time. Cheese and onion pasty sounds good, mmm.

Oh but I have to say lovelymonster, many congrats on scan!

Hello all

Well, we have lots of new members! Welcome to you

Thandeka, I am 9 weeks today too (our babies are going to marry each other, remember?). With every week that passes I feel less anxious. Sorry you are feeling so vile. I am feeling pretty crappy too, though had a couple of days respite which of course I found worrying rather than thrilling! Have only been actually sick once- this morning in fact- but am retching a lot (you're welcome).

I'm the same, in that all the things that were helping, I now find repulsive: marmite, ginger beer, cottage cheese, fab lollies... ugh. Now I'm loving Roses lime cordial with ice, Nutella on toast (strangely) and yesterday a cheese and onion pastie really hit the spot.

Am starving, STARVING. All the time. But quite often cannot think of one single thing I would like to eat that doesn't make me feel sicker.

I echo the apols- sorry I can't address everyone personally right now (have lost track slightly!) but I hope all are well!

Hello all!

Am dying! Well not literally but I feel so grim- after complaining about my week of minimal sickness I am now back to really really struggling again. I am 9 weeks today and have a scan next Tuesday. Worst bit is all my previous cures- salt and vinegar crisps, sparkling water, calipos have ALL stopped working. So am trying to find new ones. Vegetables make me throw up, as does having "one extra mouthful" trouble is I don't know when the "one extra mouthful" is. I have accupuncture tonight am tempted to ask her to take it all away.

Hello and welcome to new people on thread and waves at the oldies. Sorry I am going to lie down so not going to attempt personal replies (very selfish of me I know) but please know I do read this thread all the time and am up to date and sending best wishes to all. xxx

Hello Pinkyblue <wasabi waves>

Glad you have found your way over here! This thread is much slower moving than it used to be so we need more members I think! Sorry to hear ms has hit you so hard but I hope you managed to have a nice time away without the kids the other weekend!

mynameis please try not to worry too much about absent ms. It might kick in suddenly or you might be lucky! Hopefully the scan next week will set your mind at rest. I know what you mean about time draaaaaaaging. It is like some sort of personal hell.

westlondongirl best of luck for your scan too.

How is everyone else? Jardins and Thandeka coooooeeeeeeeee. I miss you - let us all know you are still ok!

No news from me really. Had a bit of a panic yesterday due to feeling really quite ok but feeling reassuringly shite today so thats good. Sort of. Had an attack of dry retches when returning from droppping ds at nursery and have felt exhausted ever since.

Scan next Weds but plenty of house hunting to keep me occupied before then!

Pinky/ onlyanauntie - I found sparkling water helped my sickness loads last time, maybe wash the gingerbread men down with it?

mynameis - They say no two pregnancies are the same so i'm sure the lack of sickness is nothing to worry about. I am 4+6 and no sickness as yet, in fact to symptoms at all!

I am melting in this heat and i'm up north where it's supposed to be cooler. Must be unbearable down south!

I can;t stop worrying about my lack of symptoms argh!

Haven't posted much but always check in to see how you are all doing.

I'm 6+3 today and don't feel sick! really worried as had awful MS wit my previous DC's by this stage.

Aarrgghh roll on scan next week.

Tick tock its going sooo slow

onlyanauntie that is it I am going to get some gingerbread men!! I need something as am feeling terrible, I am finding the school run in the morning particularly tough.

Where did you see take that? I am going on saturday to wembely and have been a bit worried that there would not be enough loos for my frequent visits!

Evening ladies

Well I'm 5+3 weeks today, but have had very bad sickness and nausea since finding out at 4 weeks, lasting all day long at the moment. Have read all the remedies about ginger being good for it....yesterday, had no sickness at all, in fact felt great for the first time - then remembered, I'd had 2 gingerbread men at lunch (it was a 2-pack, rude not to eat both)...wonder if it helped? If so, I am stockpiling as of tomorrow!

Pinkyblue - up to 20 weeks? Gulp!
Itsalways - time seems to be going by incredibly slowly for me too!

Oh, and Take That were fabulous, and the toilets were moderately clean and only 5-minute queues, luckily, as I needed several visits!

Welcome pinky, sorry your ms is so bad, hope it doesn't last 20 weeks this time...

Like itsalways I am also hoping for MS just so I 'feel' pg, no symptoms at all right now

Welcome pinkyblue - if it's any consolation, we all seem to be pretty jittery on here, I certainly am. sorry to hear about MS although perversely I'm actually hoping for it just as a sign that everything's ok (I'm 6.3 weeks) - 20 weeks is really tough though!

westlondongirl - thanks for the feedback, wish you all the best for your scan. Do keep us posted.

Hi Ladies, I recognise some of you from the TTC thread, do you mind if I join you?

I am coming up to 6 weeks PG and am suffering horrible MS (which I guess is a good sign but it is horrible) I have two children already DS 5 and DD 3 and suffered MS for 20 weeks with both of them.

Am really nervous about PG as had MC last year 11 weeks, trying to stay positive.

Hi itsalwaysthequietones - I am paying for a scan this weekend at 6 weeks as I can't do an NHS one in the week (have had a lot of cramping). I am going to the London Ultrasound Centre so will report back as to what it's like. I think its £160 for a weekend appt. Good luck with your scan.

Hi folks, lost this thread for a while but glad to see it is still alive and well. Congrats to lovelymonster that's great news.

I'm now 6.3 weeks and time is ticking by so very slowly. No MS but feel constantly exhausted which I guess is a good sign?! Told GP about pregnancy this week but doesnt look as if theres any chance of an early scan so am considering paying to have one done privately at 8 weeks just for peace of mind. Has anyone else done this?

Hi Rainbow - that's really sweet of you. I'm fine just looking forward (and a bit frightened too) to the 12 week scan next week!
How you doing?

Lovelymonster - Great news! So so pleased for you

ha yeah i know! not bricking it right this minute but tomorrow morning will be a different story and back to normal!!!

Aw lovelymonster congratulations!

Now, how long are you going to stay happy and relaxed for?

I have been for my scan today and saw a 14mm bean with a strong heartbeat! Im so thrilled. Burst into tears straight away and still feel choked up writing this! Cant believe it, feel sooooooooooooooooooooo happy!

Ok sorry, thats supposed to be hello pfff

Hell everyone, just had a quick read throught the last few pages as i havent had chance to get on for a while. So sorry to hear your news winjy many many hugs xxx. And rainbow xxx Has anyone heard from pinky? how did she get on? Ugh its all emotionally exhausting isnt it. Sick and tired of feeling sick and tired!! Tea makes me want to hurl, and coffee, and bread, and, well, just food pretty much, am happy with water at the moment, but its a very tentative friendship, oh that and an occasional lettuce leaf or single piece of orange, ugh now i feel sick thinking about all that ugh.......

Hi everyone,

Well i was feeling fairly positive until today!! Have scan tomorrow and I think i have just been thinking too much about things!!!!!

Should be 7+6 tomorrow. Really nervous that they will not find hb. Im probably worrying for nothing, have had lots of nausea and exhaustion and boobs still really big and sore. Just they could not find hb at 5+6 (which I know is normal) but just freaking out a bit!

I think sometimes mumsnet can provide too much information!!!!

I seem to be checking in less and less these days - I am spending every spare goddamn minute trying to find a house and all the usual stuff and, oh yes, grow a complete human being in my uterus.

Sometimes I want to scream at my dh that doing this is really quite exhausting but I haven't got the energy. <sigh>

Anyway, Jardins am glad that your dh came home early for you and that you have been able to rest. I am also glad that you managed to get some reassurance. I take it all has settled now?

Winjy I am so sorry that it hasn't worked out for you this time. Take the time that you need to cry and don't be jollied into "being positive" if you aren't ready. When I mc'd I got quite resentful when people said I should be positive and look to the future. Of course I knew I should but I also felt entitled to some dark moments. The future is waiting when you feel ready. I hope to see you in the not too distant future on another pregnancy thread x

Welcome to Dalrymps! I have to say to you and Missymoo that the feeling of detatchment is all very normal. When you start feeling desperately tired or sick or craving crisps at 2am you will know it is real

Thandeka Hey honey how was Somerset? Were you pampered lots? I do understand your concern about symptoms that wax and wane. Mine all seemed to go very quiet between about 7 and 8 weeks but just lately I have been feeling so tired its just insane. Not much nausea provided I keep eating but my boobs are reliably uncomfotable. I am tryng to book another scan for a week on Weds as I am still having vivid miscarriage dreams Saturday was the equivalent day in my last pg when the bleeding that later became my mc started. Glad we are past that little milestone.

Congratulations MissieMoosMummy on bfp. I know that I feel quite detached about being pg this time too. I think it's a way of protecting yourself. The days seem to go really slowly too.

Jardins glad you have had some rest, it is really hard with little ones to look after as well. Glad your dh came home early for you. Dp has been great here but he is really snowed under with work and so I hate to keep asking for extra help.

Thandeka know how you feel, I feel much better today (although been sick after breakfast) but need reassurance of scan (nearly 2 wks away) and even then have been a bit scared by fact that am 38 and puts risk of down's etc much higher.

cor a lot to catch up on since I have been away. Winjy- so sorry to hear your news- hope to catch up with you on other threads but entirely understand about you not wanting to stay on this one.

Also bit of relief for Jardins- phew!

Welcome to Dalrymps.

Missymoosmummy- that made me smile about the sticking them on a piece of paper to compare- i write the weeks and days pregnant I am on the test strip! But mine stopped getting darker at one I did at 7 weeks but have decided that is because I had maxed out the die (well after a moment's panic if i am honest!)

I am now 8 and a half weeks- nausea and vomiting symptoms completely disappeared cue major panic from me and conviction it was another missed miscarraige. Then I vomited this morning so perhaps all is not lost. Dunno though and not counting chickens at the minute just counting days (8) til my next scan.

Love to all.

xxx

Jardins - GLad you're managing to rest I'm sure all will be fine!

Dear all, I hope everybody is well and happy. Just to fill you in, I called my GP (who has become a friend too) on Saturday to explain my fear about the brown tinged discharge and she didn't seem concerned since it was a one off. She suggested however I get in touch with a midwife at the local hospital to put my mind at rest, which I promptly did. The midwife listened to my fears and told me (very kindly) that we should treat this discharge with contempt - ie I really shouldn't worry about it because it was cm not spotting. Since Saturday morning my pregnancy symptoms have come back completely and, thank God, my husband returned Saturday evening. I spent the whole of Sunday in bed whilst he and the children packed boxes. Everybody keeps telling me the first 12 weeks are the most fragile/important and that I really must rest as much as poss. All well and good but when my husband is not there I have to do everything so it's not too easy, is it?

missie - At you sticking the tests to a piece of paper, thats the kind of thing I'd do!

I feel 'detached' about my pg too. I seem to have no symptoms at all which worries me so i'm just trying not to think about the fact i'm pg till it's more cetainv iyswim? Easy not to think about it when I don't actually feel pg! Anyone else been like this?

Don't remember how I was last time cause I didn't test till AF was 5 days late and by then I had sore breasts then in the week after that developed morning sickness... Not quite at that stage yet thouhgh, only 3rd day of AF being late today...

WOW, this thread has been quite the rollercoaster to read! I've had tears of joy for every healthy scan, and burst into tears when I saw what had happened to rainbowdays and winjy (still feeling a bit snuffly now thinking about it - all the best girls & really hope you have better news to celebrate in the near future) and still hoping pinky78 has a better outcome than feared.

Now usually I'm quite a calm, rational person, but think I'm turning into a bit of a basket case, as I get very emotional about other people but also feeling oddly detached when it comes to myself. I'm 5 weeks now, and had two back-to-back early mc at the begining of the year, which has rather dampened the elation I should feel after getting my bfp last week. I'm pretty certain this one will stick as I've already got ms and the hpt result was a WAY stronger +ve than the previous ones, and yet i'm still testing twice a day to check the line is getting darker (I've stuck them all on a piece of paper to make comparison easier )

Sorry for the rather self-absorbed ramble - I really don't know where my head is atm and it feels good to let its contents out a bit. DH has been v supportive but seems a little bemused by my odd mood...

mowmi - hope you don't mind but came back to see how you were getting on, and just wanted to say - congrats on the latest scan, I am really happy for you.

So sorry winjy hope to see you on here with good news soon.

I was on fruit and now I've gone off it and am on veg. Today I am feeling very rough, I don't seem to keep much down and dp has looked after dd most of the afternoon. I feel I am neglecting her, but she seems fine. I would like to wake up in a few wks time feeling much better and knowing everything is alright, anyone care to join me?

Lovelymonster - that's so strange I too have gone off veg - I usually eat loads. thought of salad just leaves me cold. Been eating loads and loads of fruit though. I'm scared of the scales at the moment!

Hi everyone,

Ive been laying low lately.

Wingy so sorry to hear your news. I hope that adopting a puppy will give you comfort. I love dogs but dont have a garden so envious that you are about to have a new special friend.

Jardins (and I now know what that means post holiday in france!). Try not to worry. I know that its very diffucult not to thou. Then brown spotting i had around 6 weeks has stopped and I have another scan booked for tues. 7+3 today i think. Feeling confident as been speding the week either nauseous or extremely tired. Boobs still very sore and getting bigger (they are monsters already and not looking forward to thenm expanding even more). My monster hunger has settled down, although now to combat nausea i am needing to have two lunches, one at 11 and the other around 2-3. I have already put on 5kg and it is getting worrying!!!
Am craving lots of sweet stuff including fruit but have gone right off veges.

Congrats on your scan mowmi. Hi to everyone else and their sticky little grapes!!!

winjy - so sorry about your news. Puppy sounds like an excellent idea, hope you find a lovely one.

Hi to Dairymps

Thanks mowmi, glad all was well at your scan

Dairymps - congratulations and welcome x

Oh Winjy, I'm so sorry this ended badly for you. Get the puppy - I got one after my first failed IVF attempt and it helped me massively with my with my mc in Jan. I wouldn't be without my beautiful little furbaby now. I honestly think that being a bit obsessed with the dog resulted in the natural pregnancy I'm carrying now. look after youself.

Jardins - so many of my friends have had various bleeding and discharge and nothing bad has come of it - the ladies are right old blood is brown so it could be anything. I had a bit of it after a scan and I hate to admit but I was fiddling around to check the position of my cervix and my finger came out bright red so it could defo be that (have had 2 scans since and all is fine).

It can be so horrible and lonely this game can't it?

Hope I'm not being insensitive but had another scan yesterday and all was well I'm now 10+2....roll on 12 weeks x

Hey wasabi pointed me in this direction. I noticed it's a thread for people who have had a mc, I haven't had one... Is it still ok for me to join? Got a bfp this morning, af was due yesterday...

Oh winjy I am so so sorry. What sad news, you must be devastated. Please be gentle with yourself and take all the time you need to grieve. I hope you find a lovely puppy to cuddle when you are feeling sad. Wishing you the very best of luck if you decide to ttc again- let us know how you get on. Much love xx

winjy i'm so so sorry to hear that you lost your baby. You must be feeling dreadful. Sending a big hug. xxx

sorry to bring such sadness to this thriving thread but i just wanted to say thank you to you all for your support and i'd also like to wish u all luck and say goodbye. i miscarried on wednesday so its all over for me im afraid...i genuinely wish u all well and ur beans of course...sorry i couldnt last the distance and go thru to feb with u all...at least im not 'bricking' it anymore...havent stopped crying since wed...feeling slightly better today, dp suggested getting a puppy so we're going to look at some tomorrow....not to replace a baby but to channel my energy into...much love to you all xxxx

Thank you so much for your kindness. I feel so tired and dispondant. I managed to keep it all in during my son's medical appointment and then I went to pick up my daughter at one of our best friends who asked me how the pregnancy was going. I told her about my scare today and I promptly burst into tears. I think it did me good to release things! Mumsnet really is a blessing though.

I had a little more discharge, thick but more yellowy than brown and I feel nauseous tonight again.

I just feel so fed up with the last three months as I have had my fair share of ordeals to deal with 'alone' since my husband is working away from home. We have the move to deal with and I don't feel I have the energy to do anything much. And when I think of all these weeks spent feeling nauseous for a good cause. IF I miscarry it will seem like such a waste of time.

I'm so sorry to be pathetic and wingy....

Love to you all.

Oh jardins try not to panic too much! I had massive brown bleeding in 1st pg at 7wks and massive red bleeding at 9wks and have 3yr old dd, so it could all be fine. If it's not too bad and you think you could hold on, I would wait for your dh. Thinking of you. x

If waiting until Monday and going with your husband is what you feel is best for you, that's what you should do, I reckon.

The EPU said to me that if I bleed again, it's only necessary to come rushing straight in if I am bleeding heavily. I'm pretty sure a small amount of old blood doesn't pose an immediate risk to you which means you have to go hurtling off to hospital right now. But you could phone and just check that out maybe.

I am really confident that everything will be fine. Hang on in there...

Dear wasabi, you know I think it's going to be hard to go today as I have to take both my kids to two different appointments and I just don't want to ask anyone else to do that for me. I SUPPOSE what I could do is monitor things and aim to go on Monday WITH my husband. I just don't want to go alone after the last experience.

Is there any chance this could be a result of my internal scan on Monday? I guess if my morning sickness doesn't kick in with a vengence and/or I get more brown discharge I will go on Monday. I think what I am trying to say is I'd rather have two days of fretting and my husband with me than facing all this alone. (I feel so pathetic and tearful). The worst thing is I'm already preparing myself for the worst.

One thing is for sure though: I have reached a conclusion some weeks ago that if this pregnancy should end in mc I will not be trying again. I am 40 and have two children. So this is my last chance.

Thank you for listening and please give me some response as it will keep me going.

Jardins honey we can all get an idea of how scared you must be <wasabi holds Jardins hand>
but you need to get this checked out to stop you from going mad with worry.

Is there another GP/hospital you can go to for an emergency scan?

You know it is likely that is well but you should still get it checked.

Is there anyone who could pick your kids up and care for them until you have had it investigated?

jardins, poor you, that sounds really scary. I had some brown blood at 6w and all was absolutely fine- they said old blood is not a worry. Then I had some pink/red blood at 7w- again all was fine. I'm sure it will be for you too. Doesn't stop it being terrifying though. Got everything crossed for you...

Is there a French equivalent of the NHS Direct phoneline you could contact to talk it over with someone?

Hi jardins - sorry you're feeling so scared. If it's any help at all, I was told when I mc'd that brown discharge = 'old blood' therefore not so much of a worry whereas bright red blood is a cause for concern. Can you call your local GP and ask to speak to a different doctor if yours is away? I imagine they would suggest you go for a scan early next week unless you have any more bleeding.

If you had a heartbeat at 9 weeks that is a really good sign.

Help somebody! I'm almost at 9 and a half weeks and I just found a little thick brown discharge when I wiped (sorry tmi). I am panic stricken. I had a scan on Monday and everything was fine, although I am aware that is no guarantee. I have had less nausea since yesterday evening although this too has happened in this pregancy from time to time. My husband is away until Saturday evening, my kids need picking up at school and I DO NOT want to return to the hospital where I found out, courtesy of a very unfeeling doctor, that I had had a mc 3 months ago. My doctor is in Paris, my husband is in Tours and I feel really scared and alone.

Thandeka - thanks for your advice, I'm going to give is a shot if I even get to next week. Know what you mean about early scans. I got a heartbeat at 6.5 weeks then miscarried later the same day.

Am now completely convinced I'm about to miscarry again - just had a really flushed feeling and suddenly felt really hot. Took my temp which was up to 37.4 and last time they said a raised temperature was one of the MC signs. Feel so down about it and there's absolutely nothing I can do. Just have to sit it out.

Happybump - glad you are feeling upbeat. Hope you get your early night and feel nice and chilled tomorrow.

hello
joy*,*wasabi, itsalways thanks for your kind words of sympathy/empathy. It really is a rollercoaster of emotions. Today I am feeling pretty optimistic and also excited for my holiday which is nice. DH apologised for being such a thoughtless schmuck (my words not his obviously ), I don't think he knows quite what to do really, he's not used to seeing me so vulnerable. I am usually (outwardly) the optimist.

westlondongirl - people can be so insensitive! medical professionals are just so matter-of-fact and clinical, they forget that you are a person who has feelings and have already started a bond with your bean. It's hard enough coping with all the fears and anxieties that are going on in your own head with out them adding to them. As the others have said it would be great if you can get an early scan it does help to reassure you.

On that note Thandeka ... you did scare the beejeezus out of me with your statistics on early scans! although I the other stats of successful scans reassured happily reassured me . We are all so fragile. I hope you are feeling calmer yourself ... Somerset is a lovely part of the world, my parents live in Somerset.

TLC welcome, I remember your name from one of the conception threads, hurrah for your BFP. You are in the right place we are all as nervous as anything and unfortunately it is just a waiting game now.

wasabi I think we are exactly the same on dates now

Take care everyone ... I'm off to pack, we have a long day ahead of us tonight and I am hoping for an early night.

Hello everyone, I am a lurker, I follow this thread everyday though I don't post in case I 'jinx' things which no-one other than on here understands!

Westlondongirl I think the word 'cramp' provokes negative thoughts is it more like stretching? I worry about every twinge that I get everyday. However, they are my only symptoms I am (if I still am) up the duff apart from enourmous boobs. OSCAR tomorrow so no sleep forme tonight!

Thandeka hope the pain will be nothing more than it should be, you are in my neck of the woods, I live in somerset, used to go to Glasto every year before the blasted proper fences and security came in!! Would climb over, drive home every night for bath and warm sleep then back the next day (the things used to do when I was young!)

Hello! I am new to this thread. Got a BFP yesterday and DH and I are over the moon!

However Westlondongirl is taking the words right out of my mouth, I agree so much with her!

I'm 4weeks pregnant and keep thinking doom and gloom about what may go wrong! :-(

I went to GP clinic today to arrange an appointment with my GP and to tell his receptionist that I got a positive home preg test.

She said the next appointment is 6 July. I told her I'm going on a 2 week holiday from 9th July, but she couldn't give me an earlier date.

She also told me that GP wouldn't do any tests to confirm pregnancy, would just take my word for it!

This is a whole brave new world for me.

Hi All,
I'm struggling- currently staying with MiL in somerset while DH is at Glasto. Bit nauseous today but nothing like what it was and still feel tired (have had afternoon sleeps everyday), am just convincing myself that because my symptoms have faded then its not going to work out again. I also currently have a nasty pain in my right hand side - like a trapped nerve making it uncomftorable to sit. Yuk. But on the other hand I am often made aware of "activity" in my womb- I don't mean movements or anything ridoculous like that- more an "awareness" there is something in there and its alive- and I don't remember that sensation from last time so maybe it'll be okay. Have even stopped wearing my seabands in an effort to feel really sick!

Anyhow thats enough about me:

Alwaythequietones- I would phone your EPU and find out- mine was very good and gave me an early scan last time (when I had no history of MC but was worried about cramping)) and this time I have had 2 early scans and another in a week and a half (so 3 scans before my 12 week one!) (although that was because of a suspected ectopic) bewarned though a scan too early even if you see a heartbeat may unfortunately still not work out. My early scan in my last pregnancy had a heartbeat and was told I wouldn't miscarry! I did 4 weeks later but the emby had died a few days after that scan. Not to scare the bejeezus out of you but ealry scans at 6 weeks with HB have 78% of being sucessful. Early scans with HB at 8 weeks have 98% chance of being sucessful and Early scans at 10 weeks have 99.4% chance of being sucessful.

Fingers crossed for us all. Want to reply to more but this pain in the side means its time for a lie down.

xxx

Hello ladies, haven't posted for a while but have been lurking when I have time. Am now 5+4 and just cannot wait to get to the 7 week mark (my MC was at 6.5 weeks) but I know when I get to that point I'll be obsessed with getting to 12 weeks - I can't believe how long the first first trimester is. It seems like an age until I'll be able to tell anyone. The only person who knows at the moment is DH.

Happybump - can completely sympathise, I remember feeling like you during my last pregnancy and DH being quite frustrated by it. This time he's even more anxious than I am.

BTW anyone know what the chances of an early scan are? I had MC in 2007, then a successful pregnancy but with heavy bleeding at the start. No bleeding so far this time around but equally no symptoms so do I have a case for the EPU?

Westlondongirl I am very cross on your behalf. As the others have said cramping is perfectly normal in the early days. I'm not sure what the hell your midwife thought she was saying. As Joy so rightly says the outcome of any pregnancy is pretty much determined at the point of conception. It's a bugger to accept (and as most of us here have suffered losses we find it harder than some) but it is true. Other than trying to eat something vaguely nutritious from time to time and stay away from booze'nfags and the other 4057 substances pg women should avoid you really can't do much other than wait. Which is bloody difficult. On the upside you'll get an early scan out of it!

On the subject of morning sickness some people find that they can use some things to alleviate it slightly - acupressure bands, eating a biscuit or soemthing before getting out of bed etc. but some can't really calm it down at all. It is a lottery! I can keep mine pretty much at bay by eating regularly although the odd random retch still catches me out at times. I also find that it makes car/motion sickness about 1000 times worse so be warned.

Happybump so to read your post. I don't think your dp reacted brilliantly tbh but I also have some understanding of how frustrated partners can get with us. It is difficult for them to truly understand because it isn't their body. And 4 days is an eternity in early pregnancy.

Please try to remember that it was still a positive scan - a heartbeat at this stage massively decreases the risk of loss. Try and enjoy your holiday and relax as much as is possible - is there any way you can keep it quiet when you are there? It may take the pressure off a little? x

How's everyone else in this groundhog trimester? I have little to report (8+3 in the Big Peanut house) - just wanted to see how we were all getting on!

westlondongirl, for me, the things that seem to stave off nausea are iced water with lime, and eating constantly! (healthy things like rice cakes, cottage cheese, fruit etc). I'm sure others have different advice to add- in fact there's a thread on MN about this very subject.

As for your midwife- try to ignore. She's not being constructive at all. What I try to repeat to myself is "what will be, will be". Nothing that anyone says/I do/I feel (emotionally or physically) will change whether this bean sticks with me or not. It doesn't take away the anxiety but it does help you to realise that it's essentially out of your hands... I find that thought quite calming.

I am willing your bean to grow, grow, grow!

How is everyone else?

I am alright, enjoying the brief pauses of feeling fine in between the extended retcherama that has become my life (no actual vomiting still... just sudden retching). Am eating for England and will soon be size of house. Ho hum.

Still feeling pretty calm about things. Seeing the heartbeat on Monday really soothed me. My 12w scan is in 4 weeks and I hope to maintain tihs positive attitude til then (ho ho ho, let's see how that works out!)

westlondongirl if you get very bad morning sickness and are at risk of dehydration you can get medication, I think you have to be very sick though. There are lots of things you can do to help, such as regular snacks, seabands etc. I worked full-time with horrible sickness in 1st pg, but I told my classroom assistant and there were toilets in the classroom too if when I needed to throw up. Tiredness can be a bit of a killer on the work front too. Try to rest when you get home/at the weekend. Hard, I know.

Thanks for the support everyone and for the scan explanation. This site is brilliant - can't talk to anyone else about it yet. I also asked if there was anything I could do if I got morning sickness - the response "no". Not very encouraging. Good luck with all your beans!

Westlondongirl - I mentioned my early cramps to the early pregnancy unit and they did not bat an eyelid - entirely normal... please try not to worry.

Oh westlondongirl you poor thing. An early scan sees if there is an embryo with a heartbeat in the pregnancy sac. At 6 wks they can detect a heartbeat. If they scan too early they sometimes can't tell you if it's all ok. The scan may well be internal if it's early. Can they give you a blood test to see what your hcg levels are? This shows how well the pg is progressing though I'm not sure if there is a restriction on how early they do this. You could always retest to see if you are still pg but sometimes that way madness lies!

A friend of mine was signed off work for cramping but no bleeding. Her dd is now 5yrs old so not normal but not necessarily disastrous. Good luck. x

WestLondonGirl I am livid for you. Your midwife is giving you mixed messages and it's not good enough How can she congratulate you and tell you you are going to have a miscarriage? Plus cramping pains (period-like) are normal. If they weren't normal none of us would be pregnant at the 6-10 week stage, would we?

I'm sure (as much as a complete stranger can be) that you will be ok.

Be brave and allow yourself to be cross with your midwife. Maybe she's mishearing the word cramps to mean something much stronger? (I'm trying to be fair to her....)

So my visit to the doctor wasn't encouraging. When I said I had mild cramping she made a very concerned face and said it's not normal. She said to come back at the end of next week or sooner if I have a miscarriage. Then she will arrange for an early scan to see if the "embryo is viable" . What does that even mean? Needless to say I feel worse than I did before I went. As I was leaving she said "congratulations" even though she spent most of the time talking about losing the baby and bleeding. Does anyone know why , if you don't bleed, you still have to have an early scan? Confused & worried.

Oh happybump, I can sooo sympathise. At a scan the other week (following a bleed) I discovered I was 8 days behind where I thought I was! I was gutted. The weeks go so slowly without this sort of "setback". I also panicked that I hadn't got my dates wrong and my bean just wasn't growing properly.

Then I went on holiday to the same house I went to last year just after my miscarriage. When I had another bleed I was convinced it was happening again- that this was my "miscarriage place" (I know it sounds bizarre/irrational, but there it is). Luckily another scan showed that not only was all well, but the bean was developing as it should be- it really was just the dates which were out, not a slow-growing bean.

My partner also finds it much easier not to worry than I do. Possibly because he doesn't feel every little twinge and symptom- or lack of. Sorry your dp acted like a buffoon- I'm sure he was trying to help...

On the other hand- and more important than all of the above- CONGRATULATIONS on your scan and hurrah for beans with heartbeats!

hello

The scan went well, there is a bean that has a heartbeat, which is *good news*. However, unfortunately I am measuring 4 days smaller than I had hoped. I am now petrified that I will have another slow miscarriage. My DH has told me that I am ridiculous and that I should feel happy. He just doesn't get the fear and worry. I haven't slept at night in 3 days I am so worried. All I wanted him to do was to tell me that it will all be okay in a nice way and give me a hug, instead of shouting at me outside the hospital when I had a few tears running down my face. I know it is only 4 days but to me it is like I am going backwards or treading water.
We get on a very long plane journey on Friday and will be visiting my DH's family. Last time I was pregnant they were visiting at exactly the same time frame of the pregnancy 9+ weeks. I am so afraid it will be history repeating itself and that we will all celebrate the pregnancy and then I will have to tell them a week later when we return home that it will all be over.

I know many of these fears are totally irrational but to me they are very real. Of course, pregnancy hormones, progesterone and being completely knackered aren't helping.

So westlondongirl I think your complete panic is normal!

<waves> to everyone

good luck with moving wasabi and jardins (congratulations on your healthy scan)

Joy I have packet of crackers by the bed to help, usually wake up in the night sick/hungry too. I was like this before I even tested!

westlondongirl work is a worry early on,I was like this in my first pg. Our headteacher was off on long term sick and we had a county head drafted in. I had to let him know as I had a major bleed at work, actually he was completely lovely but I hadn't intended to tell anyone. It is a tricky one. You are most vulnerable, often feel sick/tired and have to try and hide it. [sympathy emoticon]

Quirky- durrr, yes of course! My brain isn't working. There are so many of us here now that you have to keep a mental note of what's happening with whom as you scroll through the posts!

Westlondongirl we can all sympathise with the complete panic! I think some cramping is quite normal- hopefully your doc will be able to reassure you. Good luck.

How is everyone today? I am feeling relatively OK. Have found that my partner waking me up with breakfast in bed, so I eat the moment I wake up, is really helping with the queasiness.

Thanks for the support. The news still hasn't sunk in yet.... If I get sick then I would have to tell my employer but I really don't want to tell anyone till 12 weeks. I keep getting this cramping that's like light period pain which scares me. Going to see the doctor today. Wish I didn't feel so anxious about EVERYTHING! I'm actually losing weight at the moment from worry.

Oh Joy I think you mean happybump! My scan's not until the 10th July - ages away, I will be nearly 13wks. Then I have a nuchal scan on 14th July, so I won't really relax until then. What's happening with you?

Jardins that is really good news, you can start to relax, well pack and move .

Anybody got any cravings? I have been really into cheese, and then I was into stir fry veg (at least it's healthy!) and today I don't know what I fancy.

Oh and quirky do come here and let us know how your scan went tomorrow. I'm sure all will be fine!

jardins fab news about your scan! That must have been lovely and reassuring.

wasabi I wouldn't worry too much about sickness coming and going- I think it's perfectly normal. Also I find that nausea gets better and worse depending on what I've been eating/doing. In any case I haven't even puked once (lots of retching though), so I try to convince myself not to put too much store by how sick or not I feel!

I don't envy you both moving house, I have to say! Good luck with it all.

thandeka hope you enjoy your time in Somerset, and Glasto if you decide to go along. I'm going to a festival when I'm 13 weeks- camping- yes I am insane.

westlondongirl welcome. How do you feel now the news has had a few hours to sink in?
You know your employer has to take your pregnancy into account don't you, in terms of health&safety etc? If you're not up to working 14 hour days they will have to work around that. I work in a very full-throttle sort of industry, and have been pleasantly surprised by how accomodating my employers have been.

As for me... I am feeling tired and queasy much of the time. Also quite weepy some of the time, grumpy at other times. Still feeling reassured after seeing my naughty little jumping bean yesterday (naughty because he/she keeps sending me into a panic!). I have a scan at 12 weeks which seems ages away right now, but at the same time I don't mind waiting until there is more to see. And I have had two scans already, I think that's enough for now!

Hi everyone,

Sorry I've been incommunicado of late. We decided to challenge ourselves that little bit more and move house. We ended up selling ours way quicker than anticipated - like within a week and now we are screwed as there are NO family houses for sale in our area. Now looking further afield.

When not house hunting I have just been so tired all I can do is nap or lay pathetically on the sofa. I am trying to get to the end of this post without passing out. Nausea comes and goes. I will have almost nothing for a couple of days and start panicing but this morning I took some quite big sips of water and threw the last mouthful up. Also retching at smell of garlic from dishwasher after last nights unwashed dishes. Nice. Plus by boobs are still really painful.

Anyway, how are we all?

westlondongirl congratulations and welcome! Don't worry - cramping is all normal at this stage provided it isn;t accompanied by bleeding. It is just your bean settling in. I do understand that you may be a little in shock. My first happenned like that too - way quicker than anticipated . It will sink in over the next few weeks.

Thandeka Glad you have chilled out a little although sorry that puking is the only way to do that! Have fun being looked after in Somerset.

Jardins Yay! That is such great news about your scan. I hope your ds is now properly on the mend. I can see what you mean about illness being transmitted through poor hygiene. I often think my ds's nursery aren't quite as perfect as they should be. I try and do the right things at home and teach ds as such but thats about all we can control unfortunately! FWIW I think diet really matters. By and large my ds seems to pick up a lot less than many of his peers (I am a mug typing this I know) and it's the peers that seem most partial to junk food that seem to be more prone.

Best of luck with the move.

Quirky Good luck with the scan tomorrow. I can understand how the timing of this flight must be worrying you. Let us know how you get on.

Mummytopebs so sorry to hear how both you and your DD have been suffering. I hope that she is responding well to treatment by now. The recipes bit is difficult. I have really gone off food these last few days and really can't be arsed cooking. I am using a mix of meals that I have frozen with fresh veg from the garden and other bits and pieces. The freezer is starting to look a lot emptier than usual though.

Just found out i'm pregnant and i'm quite freaked out! I'm new here so sorry to cover old ground. I'm 4wks so I haven't told anyone but my partner (who is also freaking out). I'm worried as i'm about to start a job where I will be working 14 hours a day. I have no choice but to do it. So far i've felt Ok but i live in fear of morning sickness & tiredness. I have also felt a little bit of cramping - is that normal? Didn't think i'd feel so anxious as we want a baby but it happened sooner than I thought it would.
:-/

ooops posted before I had finished. My next scan has been moved back to the 7th July as I couldn't really make the 30th june but will be almost 10 weeks by then so hopefully all will be well (a HB at 10 weeks means your risk of MC is 0.6% so fingers crossed)

I haven't been sick since sunday and felt okay yday (nauseous but not lying on sofa groaning nauseous) but today am a little worse and had some retches so that is good. Off to Somerset tonight for a week staying with my mother in law so that will be fun. (may pop in on glasto if I feel up to it- but shhhh as am signed off sick!)

Love to all.
xxx

Hurrah Jardins that is great news- and now your MC risk drops to less than 2%. Hurrrah!

Good luck with the move.

Quirkchick your post about food made me retch which made me feel better so thanks!

Happybump fingers crossed for scan and flight

Mummytopebs hope you find something to eat soon- my latest cure is frozen raspbarries blended with freshly squeezed orange juice- is yum smoothie thing and very refreshing and not too sweet.

Joy27 hurrah for sickness indeed.

Hello! I'm just taking time off packing boxes for the BIG MOVE to let you know that I had my first doctor's appointment in Paris yesterday (can't believe how exhausted I felt all day) and all is well! I am officially nine weeks and I saw the baby move with a heartbeat, measuring in at 25 mm! Bless him/her. Phew!

Love and luck to all.