Minibustion - anyone tried it?

[Onthedowns]

Nearing 35 weeks with extended breech baby who seems to extremely confortable ! Midwife suggested this? I have looked but my main issue is cost !!!

[Onthedowns]

Sorry should read moxibustion !!!

[Unhappyexpat]

Quackery ;) sorry. I'm surprised she suggested it to be honest,mw hat the hell happened to favouring evidence based medicine?!

Also quackery - acupuncture.

Have a look at the spinning babies website for some gentle excercises which may assist in moving. But... If there's a reason for the baby being breech (cord is short etc) then they may not move. If so a section is your best bet. I personally wouldn't consent to an ECV either, but that's my own personal view.

[Panther79]

Yes I tried moxi recently.
My son was in a breech position and I was willing to try anything! I was actually under consultant care for diabetes and he was the one who mentioned it to me as I didn't even know anything like that existed!

I had a thread in here asking for advice as well. Anyway, my son didn't change position. I opted for an ECV to have him turned but unfortunately it wasn't recommended on the day as the cord was seen around his neck whilst I was being prepped for the EVC.

In fact, I also had reduced movements for two days prior to that. My son was moving but not as much. I was sent to triage and I was kept in the same night and my son was delivered by emergency c section early next morning. I was in complete shock to say the least!
However, he's doing very well. As well as a 15 days old can do

I cannot say if the moxi contributed to the cord being around his neck or not. I remember reading that there's a risk of this happening with moxi as it makes babies moves too quickly etc.

It didn't work for me unfortunately.
I feel extremely lucky to have my son with me as I dread to think what could have happened. In hindsight, I wouldn't do the moxi and would opt for a CS as it's safer for both mum and baby. I would also not have an ECV but that's just my personal choice based on research I have done after my experience.

Good luck in whatever you decide and I hope you make an informed choice

[Siolence]

I seem to recall their is a homeopathic remedy to turn babies that worked for me at 37 weeks. Pulsatilla rings a bell. May have been fluke.

[Onthedowns]

Thanks I think problem is I am desperate to avoid a c section! It think moxibustion seems to have high success rates! There is still time for turning but as baby is measuring 95th centile I am not sure! I think wait another week and a half see what is going on!

[GoingLoopyQuickly]

Why are you against c section? Just curious.

I did a lot of reading about turning babies in pg1 and decided the risks and anxiety were too high.

I have since been told about woman centered sections which is what I will be pushing for if I need a section which can be planned this time. As long as me and baby are safe I don't mind which exit it comes out.

[MyFriendsCallMeOh]

Moxibustion turned my breech baby at 36 weeks, I was living in Asia and acupuncture and other traditional medicine is commonly used in conjunction with western medicine. Baby turned back at 37 weeks, took pulsatilla, did handstands in the pool, cleaned the floor, she turned again at 38 weeks, then turned back to breech at 39 weeks, more moxi and she turned head down at 40 weeks and then turned back to breech at 41 weeks. I know all this because I was scanned every week from 34 weeks as is the norm in Singapore.

She was delivered by planned section at 41 weeks as she was late, measuring big and breech deliveries are never done in Singapore. I can understand why you want your baby to turn but the section was fine too.

[scoobyloobyloo]

It's a shame that some people are still misinformed about acupuncture.

It's now proven in peer reviewed articles to work in many different areas, particularly pain relief and fertility - there's a full article in the BMJ - you can google it.

Many docs will now refer for acupuncture/moxibustion. I would say it's worth a try.

Good luck :)

[Onthedowns]

Thank you I don't take the issue of c section lightly which I think some women do. It's a major operation and carries risks also have s toddler at home so don't find it the easy option. I think this is something that I have to fund myself? My auntie who is very senior in midwifery different area said that success rates are high ! I feel anything is worth a try. My midwife said I can have vaginal birth breech but hospital will push for c section. I have had reflexology in past for fertility issues so very open to alternative methods!

[polexiaaphrodesia]

MW said baby was breech at 34 wk appointment. Like you I wanted to avoid a c-section and was recommended moxibustion by a few people. A neighbouring NHS trust actually offers it for turning breech babies but apparently mine didn't.

I had a moxi session with an acupuncturist which the baby moved around loads during. I also did the treatment at home (made the house stink!)

Alongside this I spent a lot of time hanging off the sofa with my bum in the air as per the spinning babies website instructions, on all fours and generally sitting as upright as possible.

I had a scan last week at 36+5 which showed the baby had turned and was now head down

I can't attribute the baby moving solely to the moxibustion but I think it certainly got the baby moving and combined with the other techniques got the baby to move!

Good luck!

[almmummy]

Might be worth checking if your hospital or another locally will do breech births. I am breech at the mo and consultant said it would be a section at 39 weeks if baby does not turn but I visited another out of area hospital that will do natural breech births (they had delivered a baby that morning the wrong way around and the lady had already gone home). However I expect it needs to be a second or later baby as things need to have stretched adequately!

[CatchingBabies]

If it's not your first baby, and depending on type of breech, other risk factors etc. You might be a candidate for breech vaginal delivery if you're wanting to avoid a section. Worth chatting able anyway.

And just for other posters, there is no such thing as hospitals that don't do breech births, if you insisted they could hardly give you a forced section! Just some are more experienced / comfortable with it. The latest evidence shows vaginal breech birth is just as safe as a section (with less risks to the mother) if otherwise low risk etc. So all midwives should be aware of this now.

[Onthedowns]

Thanks from what the midwife said my hospital is not an advocate in vaginal breech births, apparently they are few far between due to staff not being trained anymore. My friend had vaginal breech and tore extremely badly ( last minute, baby turned tried to get to theatre but already on way out) she was in bed for a week! I am hoping as second baby this one will find its own way! I had bad PPH last delivery resulting in 3 blood transfusions so will go with medical advice!

[CatchingBabies]

That's the situation a lot of hospitals find them in, they now know breech vaginal bitty is safe but it took so long for they knowledge to be confirmed that staff have become unskilled.

With additional risk factors they will probably prefer to give you an elective section as it's more controlled if you haemorrhage again. Obviously that is a conversation you will have layer of baby doesn't turn. Hope all goes well for you and baby decides to spin.

[Onthedowns]

Thank you trying exercises but he seems comfy! Grrr