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To epi or not to epi?(35 Posts)
i am nearing the end (36 wks) and need to prepare for the birth. My question is - should I have an epidural?
All I would really like is either "you should have an epidural because ........" or "you should not have an epidural because ........" in 2 sentences or less.
Please please please no stories of horror and pain - i am a first timer and completely terrified of what to expect and dont need anyone else telling me how extrutiatingly awful it is :-(
Excellent pain relief
Don't slow down labour if fitted after 4cm
Don't increase risk of CS
If not coping and things not progressing quickly then can stop you from completely loosing it and getting into a real state
If you need stitches afterwards it's more comfy than local
Some evidence that slow labour at less than 4cm
Can't always feel where to push depending on the density of the block
Increase risk of instrumental delivery
Increase risk of other intervention due to need for continuous fetal monitoring
Can't be instantly mobile afterwards and just hop into the bath
Will often need intermittently catheterising during labour as the bladder needs to be emptied every 4hrs(ish) and with an epidural in you often can't feel when you need to pee (the risk of the bladder overfilling is damage to it in later life so worth having)
At the end of the day, if you're progressing quickly and everything else has been normal and you're coping well you won't need one as you'll be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel! If you've already needed other interventions, progress is slow or it's just bloody agony then go for it. Only you will know if it's the right thing and you can only really make that decision at the time with the information you have then but at least now you're fully informed! You do need to be aware though that if you decide you want one you do join a queue! Most places have 1 or 2 anaesthetists and emergency theatre cases obviously come first, followed by those needing epidurals for medical reasons followed by maternal request and these are generally first come first served!
Hope that helps
Have to say, I was induced for my DS birth and they pushed for an epidural before they even started the synotcin, advising me it's more painful than normal labour, that i'll probably ask for one later anyway so better to get it in now.
I really didn't want one, but declined, but just wanted to point out that it's going to differ from each person, and because they may encourage one woman to stick through it without an epidural doesn't mean they'll take that approach with everyone.
If you genuinely want one, ask, and you don't need to ask at the beginning, but just beware if you do progress too far, then sometimes it is too late to get one (but by then, you've generally done the hard work anyway :-)
i wanted one for dc1 and dc2 as was not in the uk so could have a walking epidural where you can still feel when to push. didn't get one as everybody too busy on other deliveries and/or emcs.
with dc3 now in uk didn't want one as i knew i could do it without but mainly because i did not want to increase the risk to have to go thru an assisted delivery.
aha - spectacular cross post! every situation is different.
I get that. But what seemed to happen in that clip was that they didn't take her request at all seriously, and were saying 'ask later' - but she should have had the right to ask then, and get in the queue - how was she to know when 'later' was a convenient time to ask? I know they don't show everything on those programmes, so I guess it was written in her notes as 'first asked for epidural at xx:xx time' but they could have said any number of more positive, empowering things like "you're doing well, it may not feel like it but you are coping, try breathing through a few more" or something factual like how dilated she needed to be.
The point is it wasn't a straight answer
Yes, I just didn't want you to think that all midwives would fob you off, as if you did you might ask for an epidural before you felt you needed one as you'd be expecting it to take a few hours from asking to getting one!
Though I suppose some midwives might. If I were you I'd tell the midwife right at the start that if and when you ask for an epidural it means that you really want one. Not that you want encouragement for another few hours.
what viva said, you can't just grab any old doctor from the hallway!
thanks every1. just to clarify - its not my opinion that midwives fob u off when it comes to epidurals - just the very very strong opinion of one author.
Lexy, I don't watch obem but that doesn't sound exactly like what I'd call fobbing off, though I can appreciate if you're the woman been told that it might feel like it. There's only one anaesthetist on the ward so if someone else is having an epidural then anyone else will have to wait for the dr to finish the first person.
Best advice ever for a positive birth experience is to let go and realise you just CAN'T plan it.
I was never adverse to having an epidural with my DS1. I'd asked everyone I knew, done loads of research, read all the books and weighed it up and decided if I needed it in labour, I'd have it.
In the end I was in labour for all of about 3hrs. No time for an epidural, no need for gas and air or pethidine. Barely time for me to realise what was happening.
It's total pot luck. Unfortunately, all you can do is go along with things as happen.
Remember, giving birth is only a very short amount of time in the whole of the rest of your child's life!
I would, however, highly recommend Natal Hypnotherapy to help calm your worries about birth. It helped to chill me out no end in the final month of pregnancy. That and a great Aromatherapist. Good luck x
well they do fob you off during contractions when you say all kindsa stuff, but in between contractions I would take it all back, so I'm glad the MWs knew the difference between the contraction talking and what I actually wanted and needed
I've just started watching OBEM from the beginning and saw a couple of times what you might say was being fobbed off. One that stuck out was that "someone else is having one so we can't get to you until..." - to which I thought, I couldn't give a stuff how someone else's birth is going, do me the courtesy of answering in terms of the clinical need right here, and the pain presented.
FWIW I have given birth once, vaginally using G&A in a MLU. I was keen to avoid types/ levels of pain relief which would disconnect me from the process i.e. not be able to be in control. However once I got to hospital (a Friday evening) I had been contracting for 36 hours at home and had not had a lot of sleep at all. The consideration changed to "if I can see this through I will, if it goes on too long I know I will need help." Anyway it went to active labour about midnight after I furiously wiggled around on a birthing ball for some hours, then I spent the night drunk on entonox, then he was born at 9am.
I had one with both DC. Positive experiences both times.
DD1 was 7 hrs start to finish. Got my epidural at around 5cm and was able to get some sleep before I got to the pushing stage. DD2 was 5 hours. Got the epidural at 8cm, basically as soon as I arrived in. Both were back to back and I never had any issues pushing them out. With DD2 I had a retained placenta. The epidural meant that my gynae could remove it all manually while I held DD2 in my arms. Though that was seriously grim (and v messy, super-shocking for DH) my epidural meant she could get straight to work rather than knocking me out and wheeling me off to theatre.
I found the pain of labour to be unbearable and was greatful for pain relief that didn't affect the rest of how I was feeling. I was in bed for a few hours afterwards, which seems pretty normal, then a bit bambi legs, then all fine.
Not being in any pain, and not having had prolonged labours, I wasn't inconvenienced by not being able to walk around.
It worked well for me and contributed to me having positive birth experiences. I agree it is is a choice, but I think there are a lot of horror stories and women are often scared off having one. Where I was (continental Europe) it's quite standard. Midwives v much supported my choice to have one and immediately called the anethsetist (sp??).
It might be awful, it might be great. It'll probably be somewhere in between. You will cope best if you are flexible, and if you ask for drugs if you need them, and accept that you might need them. It's not a sign of failure, some women have more painful labours than others and it's not their fault. Some women need a C-Section, that's not their fault either. It's a wonder of medicine that we have these things available to help us give birth safely to a healthy baby. That's the important bit, not how you got there.
Well I'm a midwife and I don't fob women off. If a woman asks for one kid contraction ill ask her if she's sure once the contractions finished but that's as much fobbing off as I do!
Hi all - thanks for your responses. I read one book which was a jokey look at "what to expect when expecting" and the author said more or less HAVE AN EPIDURAL. and its the best thing to do. She also said that midwives will fob you off by saying wait and see how u feel and we will see how u r in a bit etc. the reason being so that itll then b too late for one and u cant have one - which theyve been told to do as epidurals cost so much.
other than this i have not googled or researched anything because i am so worried abt how bad its going to be and 'birth horror stories".
Don't rule it out.
And don't think you can prepare for birth by making a plan with firm decisions in advance. At best you can come up with a wish list that you need to be prepared to throw out of the window when the time comes.
I do think it's still a good idea to research these things before getting there but agree you can't 100% plan for these things. i don't want to be googling the pros and cons of and epidural when I am in labour .... which is what i think the OP is doing too?
anyway if you have a fast labour you can't have one anyway, so you can never 100% plan to have one even if you want to
"I have been reading up too much about it I think and have read too many stories about people needing intervention after having an epidural which is scaring me a little!"
well yeah but it can be a bit chicken and egg
the epidural meant I couldn't push effectively on my back
but I had the epidural because the baby was back to back anyway, which is why I wasn't coping with the pain and why I couldn't get my body into good positions.. and with a back to back baby you're more likely to need interventions anyway...
The epidural was the nail in the coffin so far as DC1 comming out vaginally.. but by the time I had it the labour wasn't going great anyway - I couldn't bear to be upright, and I had had pethedine which meant the baby was less likely to turn into a better position.
I was also shattered as it had been going on for hours, and with the epidural I at least got to enjoy the latter end of the labour
I'ld never rule it out, but I'ld never plan on in advance either
I just don't think youcan plan for these things sorry. You can't plan for anything during childbirth so need to have an open mind. All births are different and I feel strongly that if you have for heart set on something in particular eg to do without pain relief or to want a water birth or whatever then you are setting yourself up for disappointment if it doesn't go to your plans. Which it probably won't. Particularly if its your first. It's the great unknown!
What I will say is that you will definitely know when you need an epidural just like you will know if you feel you are managing fine without. Honestly I think you should just see how it goes when the time comes. First time mothers in my experience often tend to have this idealistic way of how they want it to be and just don't realise how different each birth can be.
I am trying to decide the same at the moment and unsure. I have been reading up too much about it I think and have read too many stories about people needing intervention after having an epidural which is scaring me a little!
Wait til you are in labour and then decide. And decide quickly.
There is no good evidence for epidurals increasing risk of cs.
I was lucky enough to be able to speak to an anethatist while waiting to be induced. He was very matter of fact which helped me decide I didnt want an epidural at all.
It's a very personal decision though so you do what you feel is best
Just to add, I don't regret the epidural I had, even though it did lead to interventions - I wasn't coping with the pain that time, baby was in a crap position and I wasn't able to get in good labour positions anyway and I did need the epi that time IMO. Had I prepared for labour better (not planted myself on the sofa so much etc etc) I might not have got to that stage, but by the time I did have the epidural by god I needed it and it made the birth much more of a positive experience from then on, had a lovely CS in the end
prepare for a normal birth (stay active, bounce on birth ball, keep off your back, learn about the stages of labour so you don't feel to out of control once it starts happening..) but also stay open minded
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