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How will the abolition of mums and dads effect us and our babies?

(336 Posts)
kfca Sun 02-Dec-12 19:43:17

Does anyone else mind not being recognised as the mother of their baby, if the law changes, maybe in the new year, with the marriage changes?
Will mumsnet have to rename itself as LegalParent_A_net?

What about this consultation paper from August 2012 - is that what you are referring to? I can't find any mention of "Parent A" or "Mother" in the document.

GalaxyDisaster Sun 02-Dec-12 21:00:32

Eh, what on earth are you talking about? Pass the parcel? Parent C? Have you been at the wine?

RoffleCopter Sun 02-Dec-12 21:00:47

I am crying laughing at this thread.

And I say that as a legal parent A

GalaxyDisaster Sun 02-Dec-12 21:01:31

Breath - there is one mention of mother. I word searched it. Civil partnership forms contain details of your mother, whereas marriage certificates just have your father. Nice little feminist point for civil partnerships smile

EmmaNess Sun 02-Dec-12 21:01:31

Firstly I think your last post is pretty insulting to adoptive parents and adopted parents, and their children.

Secondly, you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Wording of the law doesn't stop you being a mum, or a dad, or however you choose to define yourself. No one is banning Mothers' Day. Or Parent A/B's Day, obviously it will need rebranding, and Sugar Puffs will have to rethink their slogan....

And how does a step parent suddenly become a 'legal' parent?

Calm down, it's nearly Christmas.....oh hang on. Who is Jesus now the son of, Parent A and Deity B?

You're right, OP, this is massively problematic for everyone. How will I sleep tonight? How the fuck are grandparents, aunts and uncles going to be defined? This is a administrative nightmare. Where the fuck is Jim Hacker when you need him?

RoffleCopter Sun 02-Dec-12 21:01:51

Parent E sounds like the most fun.

party popper

"Why should I become a mere 'legal parent' of my own flesh and blood all of a sudden? They weren't adopted."
WTAF? Do you think an adoptive parent is some how less of a parent because they don't share DNA with their child? I really hope I've misunderstood you there.

Djembe Sun 02-Dec-12 21:02:15

Do you mean this consultation on civil marriage ? if so, under 'issues that will not be affected' it says 'parenting rights'. hmm

Wait a minute...we're getting abolished?

Yeah baby, now I can dump the kids on someone else and go on a round the world cruise!!

No...wait, you mean on legal stuff, where mum/dad is never used, mother/father is rarely used and it's normally parent/guardian.

I couldn't give 2 shiny shits it they changed that to 'legal parent A/B'

And I'm not sure what tevance it has to proving you gave birth to them? If u wanted proof u could video it!

EmmaNess Sun 02-Dec-12 21:02:34

sorry, last but one post

Chubfuddler Sun 02-Dec-12 21:02:52

So this imaginary bill gives automatic parental responsibility to step parents too does it? I find that hard to believe.

Sirzy Sun 02-Dec-12 21:03:04

Perhaps we need tighter restrictions then

Parents A and B - get full rights

Parents C - F - Get part rights

Parents G - M - Get once a month visits

Parents N - Z - get no rights?

FredFredGeorge Sun 02-Dec-12 21:03:12

kfca you'll have to do better I'm afraid - there's a lot of Anti-same sex marriage sites using the fact that Canadian laws which refer to "natural parent" in them switched to using "legal parent". But that's nothing to do with the UK, nothing to do with what you would be known as on a birth certificate or elsewhere even if you were Canadian.

Equally, in the UK since 2008 two Lesbian parents are known as "Mother" and "Parent" on a birth certificate where it's appropriate. It's very unlikely that any change be made in the future as this already meets the needs.

Tevance?! Wtaf? Relevance!

Djembe Sun 02-Dec-12 21:03:22

Haha blue and breathe are quicker googlers than me dammit .

Or are you talking about this response which does mention "Parent A", but is published by coalition for marriage which Wikipedia describes as a Christian campaign group which opposes UK government proposals to allow civil marriages for same-sex couples - so probably a slightly biased source.

missymoomoomee Sun 02-Dec-12 21:06:24

I am the Mother of my children, whether on a birth certificate its called Legal Parent A or whatever make absolutely no odds to me, it won't make any odds to you either.

The people who it will make a difference to are the ones who would be effected by this, in a positive way.

On my wedding certificate it doesn't state Wife and Husband where we signed the document, but thats what DH and I are to each other.

FoxyRevenger Sun 02-Dec-12 21:06:26

Roffle grin

noblegiraffe Sun 02-Dec-12 21:07:20

I think to worry that the birth mother would have to give up her baby to Legal Parent D simply because they would sound a bit similar on a form is a rather hilarious attempt at a 'thin end of the wedge' argument.

Like, if gays marry, then what will stop paedos from adopting?

I want to be parent X and have an air of mystery about me.

missymoomoomee Sun 02-Dec-12 21:12:00

I think I would like to be Legal Parent 007, fuck this letters shit. grin

tethersend Sun 02-Dec-12 21:14:10

Parent d), all of the above.

RachelWalsh Sun 02-Dec-12 21:14:35

This reminds me of the not as good as the first one sequel to the cat in the hat...

He helps me a lot, this is Little Cat A.
And then Little Cat A took the hat off his head.
“It is good I have someone to help me,” he said.
“This is Little Cat B and I keep him about,
and when I need help then I let him out

Selim Sun 02-Dec-12 21:14:38

I can't recall filling out a document which stated 'mother' rather than 'parent/guardian' and I've got loads of kids that all come with a lot of paperwork (they are clumsy and sporty which involves a lot of forms).

They could legally change my name to cuntychops if it meant that I didn't have to live in a society where my children are taught that some of us are weeds and some of us are flowers and they should turn their faces to the sun and ignore the screams of others who are ripped up by the roots. I've had a glass of wine.

I want equality but I can't have it until we all have it.

HoneyDragon Sun 02-Dec-12 21:15:46

But school forms and the like don't have Mother and Father.
They ask for emergency contacts and guardians

and then you fill in what your relationship to the child is.

So you can still put Mother, Mum, Mummy, Parent A, Senior Duck Fucker or whatever takes your fancy.

Nothing about this will affect you.

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