I just put my 7 month dd on the potty ...(56 Posts)
and she immediately started to bear down and did a huge poo within a minute of sitting there.
I'm a clueless first time mum, my mum told me to sit her on the potty at nappy changes as she did this and I was dry at 12 months. Its the second time I sat her on the potty. I was rather surprised, I'm guessing it has to be a fluke.
I've had no time to read up on this but I heard no attempts until 18 months, it cant do any harm if I continue doing the foregoing this early can it?
Good for her ,and you!
A lot of people will say that at this early age its not toilet training and it probably isn't but its a nice thing for her to do if she gets praise for it ,on th odd occasions it might work. I've got pictures of mine at 10 months sitting and laughing on the potty. Dont think she was out of nappies any earlier but it was a nice low stress thing for her to do .
This early method is called elimination communication and there is loads of stuff on the internet.
I can't see the harm, in fact it's good to teach her how to poo in a sitting position rather then lying or standing. That's one thing that toddlers find hard, sitting down to poo, if they have only ever pooed standing up.
Good for you, as long as it is stress free it's a great thing to do, both mine had potties before they were one and both were totally dry in the day before their second birthday.
Thanks for the comments all. I didn't sit her on the potty again until this morning, well that is my husband attempted when he got her up and she put her legs out straight and would not sit down on it... Anyway I just tried after her morning nap and to my surprise she once again immediately (that second) started to bear down and did a big poo and also this time a wee in the potty - it cannot be coincidence can it?
With it being her suggestion, my mother is as smug as!!!
Having thought about it, I'm going to persist a little in a totally stress free 'baby led weeing' kind of way, after all I recall my aunt taught her cat to go in the toilet bowl and my 7 month old is more intelligent than that!!!
This sound like I'm making it up but I promise not...
after all I recall my aunt taught her cat to go in the toilet bowl and my 7 month old is more intelligent than that!!
can't argue with that!
I'm still completely astounded though at twice in two days - she obviously knows what it is for, I only just bought the potty so there has been no 'introduction' I just popped her on it!
i am pg with my second and i was planning on using this method.... i hate nappies
i haven't read much about it yet but i know you can start extremely early doing this, its all about knowing your babies routine and putting them on the potty when you know they are ready... i.e for a small baby as soon as they feed they usually wee.
good luck and update please if it works for you long term
Ok mrsrb I'll update no problem. I don't intend to get that serious yet about training her though, I read about this EC method and I don't think its for me/us, but I'm going to continue to pop her on the potty at bathtime and nappy changes and see what happens.
I think that's a good approach. I didn't do EC but a friend who did opened my eyes to another way of potty training, making me understand that many baby can be at least partly potty trained.
You are a very eco-friendly mum
Very interesting, I might try this with my ds... Only prob is, he always poo's exactly same time, during his meals! Can't exactly feed him on potty can I?
I don't know pootles but my dd poo's at random times since weaning her (used to be when she woke up in the morning) so this is another reason why I'm surprised she's gone on cue these two times as soon as I put her on the potty.
Why not try getting lunch ready and putting him on the potty first see if he gets the idea!? (I'm now some expert full of ideas aren't I?!)
No you may be right sedgie. Worth a try!
OK so I won't keep on but...
I just put her on the potty again at bedtime, just the second time today as we have been out, I handed her a toy and made hissing (wee wee) noises a couple of minutes go by, I check...and yep...another wee
Wow! I think you're right about it being a good way to partly potty train, it must make it easier for when theyr older and are ready to fully go for it
And yes, getting rid of nappies earlier = uber eco friendly
OK this will be my last ablution update, but for the third time/day after her am nap I put her on the potty and for the third time a big poo along with about half a cup of wee, practically immediately after removing nappy and sitting her on. I'm still stunned and highly amused.
I'll update if there is longer term success for MrsRB and in case it helps/interest others
that;s great. Every wee/poo on the potty is the cost of a nappy saved.
Just wondering if you have any update on your potty training situation sedgie? I'm interested because I'm thinking of starting with my nearly 11mo and wondered if it was too early.
Hello Alfalpha, yes its been a couple of weeks now, and she does poo's and wee's every day in her potty. She goes most times and right away. It seems not to be unusual for her to do more than one poo and wee each day so she obviously 'gets' it and has some level of control.
However I am not quite sure where I am going with it now, its not like she can 'tell' me me she wants a wee yet, so I'm not really toilet training as such! But it is no big deal, I just pop her on at nappy change time/bath time and if I see her having a poo and labouring it (straining loads) and potty is nearby I will pop her on as it seems to help her. I'm saving some nappies and hopefully she will train a bit easier later on.
Despite her age, I don't feel like I'm doing the wrong thing because funnily enough somehow she likes sitting on it, I just hand her a little object to hold and look at and I take her off long before she gets fed up, I think she would happily sit there for ages! This surprises me because she is a sparky thing who needs to be constantly engaged and is easily board, so anyway so far, so good. All the best with your efforts!
Thanks sedgie I see what you mean about managing to use the potty but not really being able to tell you at other times she is weeing/pooing, I think that's prob what I'll end up doing with my dd, worth it to save some nappies too! I don't hold out much hope of keeping her on it though, she does not stay still for anything, even giving her an object doesn't work, she just throws things! Think I will give it a go when I've got a stretch of time at home with her, as I'm back at work now.
Thanks for your reply.
In case anyone is interested 2.5 months later and she is using the potty about 3-4 times a day at nappy change/bath and does a poo or wee 9 times out of ten. She rarely poos in her nappy now. Its a bit odd but she doesn't mind sitting on the potty despite the fact that she doesn't sit still at any other time, perhaps this is the benefit of starting early, I don't know.
Obviously she is not potty trained as she cannot tell me when she wants to go but I'm saving on nappies which is important now I'm on the unpaid part of my mat leave and money is more than tight!
That's great work sedgiebaby. My DD pooped never pooped into her nappy either. I'd hold her in a squating position, with her feet on the floor, and she'd poop - even as a new born, if I held her feet firmly up to her chest (as if she was standing) she'd poop. It's the bearing down squating position that works.
fine if you want to
but what is the point of potty training if they can't dress themselves? doesn't help you at all does it
aparty from the huge financial advantage I see
Activate, well I think there are advantages, I'm not doing it for fun, and I am hoping it will make potty training easier later on. Its better for the environment. My budget is a consideration as we are struggling to make ends meet just now. Also I feel its more hygienic for her than having to clean squashed poop off her, and less soreness as she's quick to get a red bum when she does poo in her nappy even though I do not delay changes.
Also I pretty much do this at nappy change time (e.g before naps/before and after bath) so she's getting her clothes off anyway. Unless I need the loo and don't know where to put her safely so I park her on the potty at the same time and usually catch a wee!
sedgiebaby, just saying hi as we're doing the same with our 9.5 month old pretty much since birth. DD really understands as well and is always so happy when she is on the potty, I always give her something to play with and then she sits there until it works.
If you want to start watching out for cues of when she might want to go, I think you will find that the times of day are similar (first thing in the morning for sure), other things I have noticed are when she has wind usually there is something behind it, also when breastfeeding she latches on and unlatches very fast even though I know she is hungry, not sure how it would be with bottlefeeding but I assume it could be similar. Also sometimes when I know she is tired but can't fall asleep it's often the reason.
We did it because where my husband's from that's what all people do and he was so shocked to see 2 and 3 year olds in nappies when he came here. He said in his country (in Asia) most children are nappy free around 12-18 months. I then read a study that even in Europe, children used to be nappy free around 12-18 months in the 50's and it is now getting later and later because people to bother to potty train as nappies are so easy, and children don't learn.
Oh, another really good thing to do to speed up success and the communication to do a lot of nappy free time at home in the summer with the change mat, because then you can see, just have a potty next to the baby and try whenever you think there might be a cue. It gets harder now that she's crawling though!! i need a giant change mat!
I have 3dds, two were potty trained at 20 months and after reading this thread I'm going to start introducing potty to my 13 month old. Thanks for giving me lots of enthusiasm!
My mum also suggested my to start potty training when my baby would sit up straight by himself, I started at 7 month.
Firstly mum advised me to put Daniel on potty after sleeps, and it worked very well.Then when he was 13 month old he refused to sit on potty and I just take off our potty ang give him some time, afterwards we started again.My mum told that I started to use potty at 12 month and my mother in law said the same thing about my hubby.
My son take his time when I put him on the potty if he wanted he wee or poo if not then afterwards he did some nice poo on my kitchen flour.I should say this flour seen a a lot of various poos and wees.
Then I tried other technique I suggested do wee together, I put his potty opposite our toilet and he enjoyed it a lot, afterwards he started to tell when he is ready to do wee.
Now he is 27 month and we use nappies only when we are going out-shopping, museum, playground etc.visits)because it is easier.
Even at night he is dry, the best thing is remind him to do his before sleep wee
There always be people who will think that potty training is impossible so early,also tehre will be people who will think that start potty training at 3 years its too late.Every toddler is different and what work for one will not work for other.
Early potty training will be rewarded afterwards but at the begginig there will be a lot of accidents and wees and poos in very different places.Just take it easy and don't forget to laugh and smile.
Might partly be the sensation of air on her bits.
Nephew was a nightmare to change as everytime the nappy came off he decided to take a wee! HV said that boys have this reaction to the air.
The theory from hardcore EC is that yes, air on the bits does make them want to go as naturally as young babes they have an inbuilt sense not to soil their mother, as going back to when we were animals young babies would have been carried around all day by the mother & held out away from mother to go to the toilet on the ground, & it is only through more modern ways of civilisation that babies learn to ignore this & have to re-learn it when toilet training - whereas EC capitalises on it in the first place.
Quick update with us for those who are interested. DD is now 11 months, I started to see that she was only wanting to go for a poo after breakfast and dinner just before her bath, normally she will do a wee as well but I'm not so worried about the wees right now. We also try again after her bath, when she almost always does a big wee. The result being I normally use 3 nappies in 24 hours, just for wees.
As well as cheaper, I find its soooooo much easier and cleaner as she will not keep still when I'm changing her and this isn't fun with a dirty nappy. Not sure of my next steps if anyone has any ideas?! I'm in no hurry but thinking if she starts to be dry after a nap (something I'm starting to notice) I may pop her on the potty at this time also.
I don't think this is 'air on her bits' making her go, because she doesn't wee when she has a bare bum (not that I do much nappy free time, but sometimes or of course when changing) unless she is on the potty.
Well done Sedgie, I applaud you. How can anyone think it is easier to get squashed poo out of (particularly girls') genitals than to sit a baby on the potty a few times a day? And as you say, the cost, the waste, the soreness...nappy multinational brainwashees, I say.
I too followed my mum's advice and people are astonished time and time again to hear that with each of them (one boy one girl) I barely had to deal with another dirty nappy after 8 months.
My daughter was out of nappies in the day by 2, son by 2.4, but I wasn't so bothered about the weeing really.
Keep up the good work and just pop her on the pot whenever it's convenient for you.
Any recommendation as to the type of potty that would be most comfortable for a smaller tot?
My DSD is 14 months, and detests having her nappy changed with a fiery vengeance (also getting dressed and having nails cut - think the real issue is being restricted - although loves having her teeth brushed) so maybe she might like a go at this.
Would prefer one in a nice colour though - don't like blancmange pink!
Thank you for the encouragement rarer than tigers!
Floydie - I have two but like my plain white poundshop one. Its a nice snug fit! When you try it, my tip is, put her feet flat on the ground to encourage things, and give her something to play with - you just never know she may get it right away or she may jump straight off as happened with my friend but worth a try - why not.
Hi sedgiebaby, sounds great! Same as rarerthantigers here, DS and DD all poos in potty from tiny, ds out of nappies in day 19mths and DD totally out of nappies 17mths.
As for next steps, I just started to offer potty/toilet at all nappy changes and after naps, like you're doing. Then DD started to still be dry around the time i'd expect to need to change a nappy, so would take her for a wee knowing must have to go, and put the dry nappy back on. I'd do this even if we were out and about, so she got used to using other toilets, and we saved nappies. If I needed the loo myself I'd take take her too, as we were in there! Around 1yr both DC began to be able to say 'wee wee' while going on the potty, and progressed to saying it before started to wee. Once they could communicate things really took off.
If we were staying in I'd leave nappy off most of the time, (couldn't face the battles floydie!) and they began to let me know when wanted to go, or would go and sit on potty themselves. With DD I started to make short trips out to park or school run nappy free if I knew she'd recently had a wee and we'd be 'safe'! Both children never let me know if needed a wee if they had a nappy on, it was like they assumed I wanted them to use it! Bare bum and they would ask to go! Both were dry after naps a while before out of nappies, so I stopped using a nappy at nap times. With DD when got to stage of only 1-2 nappies a day I stopped using them and we take a potette out and about with us. WIth DS it was his nursery who suggested he sounded ready to be taken out of nappies, I didn't really know when to take this step with my pfb !
When we're out DD just usually needs to go when I do, so mostly use toilets. If she doesn't need to go she will not let me undress her or won't sit down, she will never just 'try' for me, like before going out somewhere! I have to trust her!
Floydie the babybjorn potty is small and stable, or a toilet seat insert would be fine at your DDs age- might like being grown up!
Sedgie I've been fOllowing yr progress over the months and I just wanted to say how impressed I am. You've done what i was aiming for, early toilet training rather than full blown ec. The prob I've had is that altho I've been putting 16mo ds on the toilet since he was 8mo - we had a potty pause in that time tho for a couple of months- he still hasn't produced a wee or poo recently ive been putting him on the loo once he's started pooing but then when on loo he stops. still, cleaning him after a poo is so much easier on the toilet than dealing with wipes and cotton wool. So I'm very pleased eith the slow progress we've made. But i do wish he'd just wee or poo on the toilet too!
Wow! I've just read your thread and it sounds like you're doing really well. My two are both well out of nappies now, but I wondered if you have thought of baby signing? This is where you sign the word for potty to your baby (not sure if there is an official sign, but you could make one up?) and, hopefully, your baby will learn the sign and sign to you when she needs the potty. We had some success with signing with our daughter when she was little, although sadly we didn't teach her a word for potty. Good luck
There is a sign for toilet - we do baby sign- it's when you stuck your middle finger out and hold all other fingers in a fist slimed like you're swearing lol and then you point to your shoulder wih hand in that position. If that makes no sense at all, there are websites that show u, on iPod so can't link but you can google BSL sign toilet. I think in ASL the sign is different also, more like waving, but can't remember it as well.
iPod also to blame for slimed, should read kind of!
Just updating to say I was able to get her out of nappies in the day at 22 months with no difficulties and no accidents. I dont meed to remind her ahe asks even if swimming or in the bath. I think it was worth getting her used to the potty early, and saves a bit of money i probably will do the same again with next baby.
Excellent thread- has inspired me to try with my 9mo dS from tomorrow. He is usually very regular
My mother had five children and used this early potty method with all of us.She reckoned we were all out of nappies during the day by 18 months, she said she had me -the oldest-dry and clean just after my first birthday.I can still rememer her sitting my youngest siblings on a tiny potty when new born.This was the 1950s when all used cloth nappies so reducing the washing of them was the reason.
I had my two both boys clean and dry day and night by 2 years old.It was cloth nappies then as well-early 70s.
My grandchildren brought up in disposables took a little longer.
1944girl, exactly what my mum says. She reckons I was dry at about a year, I actually did not believe her thinking she was exaggerating but maybe not.
I think it is a good economical and stress free way which is in between the EC method and the waiting and waiting until they are basically asking to use the loo when they are 2-3 years or older. But to be fair she was practically asking by 22 months, saying 'weewee is coming', so I thought we would be OK. I'm just glad to have it sorted before the next baby is born in a few weeks.
Good for you the earlier they are comfortable with a potty the better. I am having real problems at the moment with potty training, one of the reason i think is because i have waited too long.
We did the same as Sedgie with DS2 he's out of nappies in the day now at 22 months too.
Not difficult at all, and since 8 or 9 months have more or less been able to go out and about without having to change a dirty nappy. We only had wet ones apart from maybe a handful of occasions in all that time. Well worth it!
We have done the same, although from 8 months. She pees first thing in the morning when she wakes up. Some music plays as soon as she pees and seems to love that. She has also pooped once. I also put her on the potty before bath time in the evening.
DH is not interested though (he doesn't take her in the morning when he is looking after her) so I don't think we are progressing, she is just enjoying the music coming from the potty for now.
My friend always started early and it seemed to work for her. Her first was trained before 18 months and her second seems to be getting on well and she is 13 months old now.
Thanks for this thread. It's answered several questions I've had! We've been trying this with DD who is now 7 weeks. I'm amazed how easily she takes to it even though she's so tiny. She tends to poo many times a day but I would say we catch 90% at night and maybe 50% in the day.
Can I ask a question - we're doing an in between sort of EC, using nappies and not worrying if we're out but I'm worried she might get confused about what she's doing. The EC people talk about babies being 'trained' to use nappies and I worry if we do too good a job that she might start being unhappy going in a nappy which is necessary at times. Im not really prepared to do without completely as endless floor cleaning wouldnt really be my thing! It sounds as if you didn't have this problem but I wondered if you had any thoughts about it having had much more experience.
Also, how long did you hold her over a potty - she'll sometimes strain for 10minutes plus and my back doesn't like it so she often ends up back in a nappy and we have to change her again 10 minutes later. Did you find that improved over time?
Hi Iburntthecakes. Oh I do not know really. I didn't do anything before 7 months, when she could sit up and I could perch her on the potty whilst I just laid out a fresh nappy etc and nappy change times. When I posted my question I did read about EC having not heard about it before, I watched some online videos etc. and thought - nah not for me! I did not really do nappy free time as such. But I sort of get the point about newborn babies tending to soil at nappy change time because of an instinct not to soil their beds? And this instinct perhaps being lost when we just persist with continuously putting them in nappies.
I am about to have a new baby, I don't think I will start any earlier this time around, I might bear in mind some of the points EC proponents make but I don't think I am brave or eco friendly enough to really go down that route.
Just to add that when we did come to potty training, not mega early but at 22 months, there were no accidents. Well I had one wee 3 weeks later but that was all. So I think it made it easier and sped it up a little bit, also we haven't dealt with poos in the nappy since 7 months, well only occasionally - one a month? So cleaner and saved a lot on nappies.
How are you getting on now? Ive started my 2.4 year old and he is doing well but just in the house so far and ive just red this, I think you are doing a great job well done!
Well I took her nappy off 2nd week of August she was 22 months and no accidents until 3 weeks later. That was just last week just a wee. Its fine since. I still put a nappy on her for naps but more often than not it is dry. So I am quite pleased with how it went. I did take the advice to commit, take the nappy off and not put it on again (except for sleeps) so as not to confuse, and I think this really helped although we had about 15 toilet stops the first day and being out for the day, a very hot day and heavily pregnant I was cheesed off but it quickly got less.
My 8 month old does most of her poos on potty and also deliberately wees on it. I dont understand people who say 'whats the point' I mean whats the point in having horrible pooey nappies if there's no need?
I am also hoping it will help with real potty training. Dd1 hated pooing in a nappy and it lead to her being really anxious about going.
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