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Training a 2.6 year old - what am I doing wrong?

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Gangle · 12/10/2010 17:00

I'm in the midst of potty training DS1 who is 2 1/2 years old. We had been doing preparation (e.g sitting him on the potty) for several months then 3 weeks ago he wanted to wear only big boy pants so I bought a travel potty and we went for it. He did really well for a while and even took himself off to use the potty for either a pee or a poo. However, we don't seem to be making any progress, in fact, 3 weeks later he is having more accidents than ever as most times he forgets to ask to go and wets/poos himself. This morning he did a few wees on the potty put then a poo in his pants. Really hard not to be annoyed with him! I don't want to put him back in nappies (and he certainly doesn't want to wear them) but I can't keep washing 3 pairs of trousers a day! I remind him as often as I can but he always says "no" but then often goes a few minutes later. If I insist he uses the potty then he gets upset. I've also tried bribery which often works but then next time he forgets and we have an accident. He shows all the signs of being ready, his speech his excellent, he can pull his pants down and use the toilet etc, expect that he is most often, in fact always, not dry after his afternoon nap. Does that mean anything? He is doing 3 mornings at nursery and uses the toilet there successfully, asking to go several times so I don't understand why he doesn't do this at home or when we're out. No idea where to go from here. Should I put him back in pull ups or persevere? I know I need to be relaxed about it but for some reason its making me really upset as I really think he understands but for some reason isn't doing it. Also, if you have to remind them ALL the time, are they definitely ready? Shouldn't they sometimes remember themselves or is this part of the training?

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Gangle · 12/10/2010 21:11

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katekitkat · 13/10/2010 15:57

I comiserate Gangle. I have almost exactly the same problem with my DD1 (2.6). We have been training for about 3 months and she just seems to have lost interest. She only goes now when I remind her and make her and hardly ever takes herself to do a wee even though I know she can as she was when I first started. Plus now she always poos in her knickers. She has really bought into the whole idea of "big girl knickers" but seems to just be lazy or always distracted. I had hoped we would have this sorted before DD2 is born in a few weeks time but it just seems to get worse and now she has to wear tights and not just skirts the whole clear up operation is worse.

I have tried rewards but she still doesn't inititate going to the potty herself. There just seems to be no consequence for her if she does have an accident. Is that part of the problem??? If anyone has any ideas I would a appreciate it.

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CrazyPlateLady · 13/10/2010 19:48

Do you think by constantly asking him, you are making him act defiant, IYSWIM?

I have just potty trained DS (2.8) and it has gone well. I have followed a well known, do it in a week book (don't agree with the other books, but this one has been very good). I find if I ask DS too much, I get a very sharp "no" like he is really fed up of me asking. At first he was saying no then doing it just after in his pants. We have been very lucky though and have only ever had 2 accidents a day and we have just finished week 2 and he hasn't had an accident for a few days now. It has helped that we have been at home a lot though as he doens't yet say when we are out that he needs to go.

A star chart helped with wees. Poos was another story. DS was literally petrified and screaming in terror when he done it. He would do it in his pants and immediately tell me. I found using a special sticker (in our case, Postman Pat) for poos and after so many he got a treat. At first it worked but then it didn't. I told him of he got 3, he would get a new car (he is car mad), then it was 5 stickers, now it is 8. I would also give a chocolate button after doing a poo (I swore I wouldn't do this but seeing the pure terror and him hopping around as he was trying to hold it, I knew I had to do something).

This has worked very well for us. He used the toilets after swimming and asked for it. He held on at my friends house, he had no accidents at my nans the other day and I haven't needed to ask him at all at home for a few days now.

The book says not to remind them too much after a while as they end up relying on you and have more accidents in the long run. They are suppose to learn that they can manage to go themselves without being reminded all the time.

Hope something there is helpful. Smile

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CrazyPlateLady · 13/10/2010 19:51

kate If your DD is that bad, I would honestly give up and try again a bit later. Many of my friends DDs are 2.6 and they aren't doing it yet.

They can also regress when a new baby is born so it may be worth your while leaving it for now and trying again a bit later.

I waited until DS was really ready. He was begging me to use the potty. I was putting him off a bit as we went on hoiday at the beginning of Sept and I didn't want the hassle of doing it just before then. I admit I delayed him but it has been so easy, I'm glad we waited.

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Gangle · 13/10/2010 20:55

thanks both. CrazyPlateLady, I wonder if I am doing it too soon as DS1 is only just 2 1/2. I think every month and even week counts at this point so do wonder if I should scrap it for a few weeks then try again. It's just so strange though as at nursery he takes himself off on his own to use the potty, without being asked, and every nap time and bedtime he asks and successfully uses the potty for wees and poos but forgets most of the rest of the time. Maybe he's just distracted or can't be bothered. I was asking him a lot but then worried that I was nagging him/putting him off but if I don't ask him then we have endless accidents. No idea whether to press on or just scrap it for a while. Oh and he is totally not interested in star charts! Chocolate maybe but star charts don't work.

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CrazyPlateLady · 14/10/2010 10:18

Possibly give a chocolate button when he does remember at home then? Then after a while, when you think he has got it, 'run out' of them?

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belgo · 14/10/2010 10:23

Gangle - if he is is using the potty successfully in creche, then he is obviously capable of using the potty! I would not put him back in nappies.

Which means that at home he just doesn't want to use it, possibly because you are asking him too much, he is annoyed if you are insisting he using the potty.

Stick to plenty of praise for using the potty, offer him the potty but don't insist, and speak to the nursery and ask their advice.

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katekitkat · 14/10/2010 15:26

Thanks crazyplatelady, the problem is she loves her big girl knickers, we have made a real point of saying only babies wear nappies and she has really bought into all of that. I think going back to nappies would really demoralise her and I also think I would have a battle on my hands. We have stayed in today to try and work on it. I have had a chat with her and said that if she is big enough to wear big girl knickers then she shouldn't have accidents and if she does she has to clean them up. I feel cruel doing this but I feel there has to be some consequence. I have made clean knickers and socks accessible to her and have made her clean up the two accidents she has had today already, one of them she cleaned after a time on the naughty step. I think maybe she has just come to rely on me managing her going to the toilet so I am not reminding her at all today and I have told her that. Who knows if this will work but I needed to try something different.

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CrazyPlateLady · 14/10/2010 19:28

Did you put her on the naughty step for having an accident or was that for something different?

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belgo · 14/10/2010 19:44

TBH I'm not sure if making her clean up after an accident is the right approach.

Does she have friends who are potty trained that she can see using the potty, so that she knows that all children use the toilet/potty, not just her?

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CrazyPlateLady · 14/10/2010 19:47

The book I followed does actually say to get them to help you clean it up if they are still having accidents after a while, so they understand consequences. I would never punish for it though.

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katekitkat · 14/10/2010 21:10

The naughty step was for refusing to help clean up. She hardly ever goes on the naughty step (she is generally a good girl) and it doesn't bother her much when I do naughty step her, she sits there until she is bored and then complies. I wouldn't naughty step her for having an accident. I do believe they are genuine accidents because she just doesn't tune in to when she needs to go (too much prompting by me previously I think). Today we have had two wees on the potty with her initiating it, two accidents and then she told us she needed a wee while we were eating dinner and she took herself off and went on the potty then....so what does that mean???? by this afternoon I was going to put her back in nappies as I just don't want this issue hanging over us so close to DD2 being born but now I am thinking perhaps I should give it a few more days before giving up.

I was the first to start potty training of my friends because she has been using the potty since she was about 9 months old before her bath every evening and hasn't had a problem using it. To begin with she was doing really well with the training which is why I know she can do it but she just seems to have permanently lapsed. She does know that all big girls use the potty and toilet.

Time to give it a rest or wait a few more days with me not reminding her and see how we go, what do you think?

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naturalbaby · 14/10/2010 22:08

not got much in the way of tips but we've been part time for quite a few months and ds will be 2 1/2 next month. he's been totally independent at home in just a t-shirt and pants over the summer, then i started putting trousers on and we had our first trips out in pants this week cause he had a dry nappy at the end of toddler group and used the potty. he wouldn't go near the potty or toilet when out so i just kept him in a nappy every time we left the house till i felt he was ready. i was getting really stressed about lack of progress then he suddenly seems to have got better. i try not to remind him but get really anxious about him weeing everywhere when we go out so do remind him a lot and try and make a diversion/distraction of getting him to the toilets, then he seems happier to go. i was ready to try rewards for using the potty when out but now he's had a couple of sucessful trips he seems o.k with it. fortunately the success of weeing in the potty is enough of a reward for him! am still expecting a long way to go.

we're also in cloth nappies so makes life a lot easier in some ways - i can change the thickness of them and use them like training pants.

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CrazyPlateLady · 15/10/2010 09:41

Swapping between nappies and pants are why it takes so much longer, and starting before they are really ready.

I waited as long as I could. DS is 2.8. He is done within 2 weeks and now uses the toilet without me encouraging him. I was happy for him to use the potty. When we are out I remind him, or just take him off to try as he doesn't yet tell us, but at home there is no problem now and he hasn't had an accident for 6 days now. When he has a nappy on for bed, if its just before he has fallen asleep or first thing in the morning when he wakes, he asks for him nappy off so he can go on the potty or toilet.

kate I would stick with it now. Be consistant. I wouldn't punish her with the naughty step for refusing to clean it up. I think this could cause more problems. I know the book I read said to get them to help clean it up, but if they actively refused, I wouldn't punish for it. IMHO the slightest thing can set something like potty training back.

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naturalbaby · 15/10/2010 14:47

i'm very happy to have started early and done the more laid back approach, even if it's taking longer - considering the type of child i have and the type of parent i am this has been the perfect approach for us. if he wasn't really ready he wouldn't have been using the potty without any prompts at home. the point is less pressure has kept us both happier and more relaxed about the whole thing. it's been totally child focused and he's been very happy and proud of himself.

potty training also seems to coincide with a big growing up phase and that can be really upsetting and confusing for toddlers - we suddenly expect them to be very grown up and just cause they are happy to be on afternoon doesn't mean they are full time. i've had plenty of tears where i realised he just wanted to have a nappy on and be more of a laid back 'baby' for a bit.

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