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January 2014 - hoping for more sleep

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beccajoh Fri 11-Apr-14 10:43:15


What's the deal with threads being closed? Is there a post limit?

I am soooooo tired today. Archie has been really unsettled the last few nights from about 4am onwards. Sometimes he's hungry, sometimes he wants to play, sometimes he wants his dummy. The last two nights he's ended up in with us as it's easier to replug the dummy, pat etc.

Naturegirl82 Fri 11-Apr-14 10:46:58

Thanks for the new thread becca. There is a post limit of 1000 on threads.smile

flyawayblue Fri 11-Apr-14 10:56:40

Congrats nature

Hope you have a lovely time catching up with your brother million

Alice has just been sick down me as she was being greedy, not a lot of sick but enough that I need to change.. Oh well jeans and a top it is!
Hope everyone has a good day.

TobyLerone Fri 11-Apr-14 11:02:47

I hadn't even realised we were so close to 1000. Thanks for the new thread, becca smile

FelixFelix Fri 11-Apr-14 11:27:06

Thanks for the new thread!

Million enjoy your time with your brother. Sounds like it will be great smile

I'm just packing as we are going to the in-laws up in Durham this weekend. I don't think ill ever get used to the amount of baby related crap you have to lug around with you just for a couple of nights shock

FelixFelix Fri 11-Apr-14 11:27:49

Also whoever it was who wanted adding to the Facebook group - send me a PM with your name and I'll send you a friend request and add you to the group.

Angelesque Fri 11-Apr-14 11:38:37

Becca could it be to do with the clocks going forward? I was up feeding F at 3.30 this morning and was surprised to hear the birds singing and it getting lighter already. I massively struggle to get F back to sleep if he stirs after 4 as he thinks it's daytime so playtime sad

F being a whingy pain at the mo - not sure if it's the aftermath of Wednesday's injections, or if there's an 8/9 week growth spurt? He's pure Velcro and DH is 'still potentially infectious' hmm so I'm having to hold/carry F 24/7... sigh

Naturegirl82 Fri 11-Apr-14 11:43:50

angel there is a wonder weeks leap between 7.5 and 9.5 weeks.

Thanks for the congrats. I'm really chuffed smile

Angelesque Fri 11-Apr-14 11:49:22

Nature congrats on the promotion! Especially lovely it's happened while you're on mat leave - they must really like you

enormouse Fri 11-Apr-14 11:59:06

Hi, found you all again! smile

Naturegirl82 Fri 11-Apr-14 12:10:58

angel I like to think so! Haha smile

AMillionNameChangesLater Fri 11-Apr-14 14:35:11

Henry just rolled over from his front to his back! Very proud, he's 13 weeks 2 days

Naturegirl82 Fri 11-Apr-14 15:09:20

Congrats million smile

enormouse Fri 11-Apr-14 16:33:10

Congratulations on rolling, promotions and travels. smile

It's still a bit crappy chez mouse. Trying to get a speech therapy assessment for DS1 and the house is a tip.

Oh and that rat bastard dp of mine has just stolen my bath. Had the heater on so I could have one and he's bloody taken it. And he's in there with his laptop so he can recline and watch crap like a Lord of leisure. He has a long bath (an hour and half) every other day. Do I get one? Do I fuck. angry

TobyLerone Fri 11-Apr-14 16:39:56

Open the bathroom door and dump one/both of the children in the bath with him.
Go back downstairs, pour wine, let the lazy bastard deal with them for a bit grin

Angelesque Fri 11-Apr-14 17:11:02

I second Toby - with the addition of a cup of iced water for child to take in as "a present for daddy's bath"

enormouse Fri 11-Apr-14 17:24:00

Very evil, the pair of you grin.

He has actually made the bathroom door swell up so if it's closed you can't get out and he insists on locking himself in. One day he's not going to be able to get out and he'll either have to climb out the window (in the nip) or I'll have to get someone to break it down. Vengeance will eventually be mine. grin

TobyLerone Fri 11-Apr-14 17:34:37

Blow some smoke under the door and wait for him to cack himself.

AMillionNameChangesLater Fri 11-Apr-14 18:54:10

Blow some smoke under the door and wait for him to cack himself.

ha ha ha

Spged Fri 11-Apr-14 19:42:26

Thanks for the new thread Becca, congrats Nature and a belated hello Fizzy

Fizzy are you going to the Jamie's in Edinburgh or Glasgow? I just googled Baby Loves Disco and there's on at the Electric Circus in Edinburgh at the end of April. Not sure C and I are quite ready for that though, but nice to know they do that kind of thing.

Nature-sympathise with the boob leakage! Managed to get my hair cut the other day and about 30 mins from the end I suspected a leak, but I couldn't check as I had the cover thing on. I ended up admitting it to her as it would have been embarrassing enough anyway when it came to cover removal and coat putting on time. Not good at all

Ooh curry's just arrived! YUM!!

beccajoh Fri 11-Apr-14 20:54:33

Ugh had a difficult afternoon. DS was obviously hungry but wouldn't feed more than a few sucks. Cue HUGE screaming fit at about 5pm whilst I tried to work out if he was hungry, tired, wanted his dummy or something else, whilst DD stood next to the Moses basket saying "oh dear! Oh no! Oh Bay!" over and over (for some reason she calls him Bay rather than Baby or Archie! She can say both.) I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry LOL! In desperation I gave him some infant gaviscon in case it was his silent reflux causing him pain and he calmed down straight away and drank the milk. This prompted me to check his ranitidine dose - it's based on weight - and he should be having double what we've been giving him for his current weight blush. No wonder the poor mite was screaming. Mummy fail!

beccajoh Fri 11-Apr-14 20:57:02

Totally off topic, but I've just looked at the calendar and it's mid April?! How is that so? Where is this year going?

Pidgy Fri 11-Apr-14 21:16:29

Found you all!

We have visitors this weekend so not sure I'll get much mumsnet time. :-(
Lara woke because their noisy children who are still not in bed so I'm settling her and taking the opportunity now!

Naturegirl82 Fri 11-Apr-14 23:03:14

Those of you who are bf, do you block feed and if so how long is your block? I usually stay with the same side for an hour but I'm not sure if O is still getting too much foremilk. Her nappies aren't bright green but they are dark green and seedy but leaves yellow marks on the nappy iyswim?? Been googling and it seems to suggest a range in colours are normal, but they used to be all mustard but not sure when they changed really. I'm wondering if it is worth trying to elongate my block to see if that helps. She is on antibiotics as well which I think can also affect it. How many dirty nappies do you have a day as well as we seem to get a lot here!

Spged Fri 11-Apr-14 23:39:41

Hi Nature I used to block feed when C first started with the whole green poo thing. I tried to make sure she got to the quiver bit of the feed on a side before I switched. This was when she was quite young though (maybe 8-10 weeks) and she used to feed quite a lot so we may be stuck with the same side for 2-3 feeds or I changed if it had been a few hours. I have to say that I didn't last long with this as I worried that I might screw up my supply and she seemed to get to the quiver stage on most feeds (which is what the HV told me to aim for). I think it just caused more stress than necessary and I've been told that green nappies are pretty common with bf babies anyway. My aim with it all was also to reduce the gas in her system but I don't know if it really had an effect.
As for the number of dirty nappies... From about 11 weeks till now (15 weeks tomorrow-it's going too fast!) we have one dirty nappy a week. It's terrifying and a two man job when it does come! Also when it's getting to the 7+ days stage we are incredibly nervous about going anywhere in case the explosion happens. I didn't go swimming on Monday as it was due and I didn't want to be responsible for shutting the pool!!
Not sure if that is any help whatsoever!!

Pidgy Sat 12-Apr-14 00:40:30

Hi nature, I tend to swap sides for each feed if she's going 2-4 hours between them. But, if she's feeding more often I keep to the same side, or if one feels fuller I'll use that side. Tbh I'm not great at remembering which side was last so it's sometimes an educated guess (quick squeeze).
We have 1-3 poos per day, although. When I've been on antibiotics it was many more.

We've also had the dark green, (but yellow on wipes) nappies. Had some pesto poos too which were quite green. Hv said don't worry unless it's nappy after nappy, day after day.

Pidgy Sat 12-Apr-14 00:44:26

becca just seen your post about Archie. We had the same with Lara where from after 3 or even 1am she was really unsettled. I also took her into bed as was easier to pop the dummy back in. Hope I'm not tempting fate but for the last 5 or so days (I think!) she's a lot better. We now have usually 2 wakes after 9pm which I can cope with. Fx your nights improve too. It was around weeks 9-11 where it was worst for us.

MrsGSR Sat 12-Apr-14 03:44:09

She slept for 3 whole hours! For the first five in over a week! and then went back to sleep foot another 2, which o don't think she's done in about a month.

Hope everyone is having a good night smile

MrsGSR Sat 12-Apr-14 03:44:23

*first time

MrsGSR Sat 12-Apr-14 03:45:13

argh *for another 2
*which I

Obviously too excited to proof read!

Pidgy Sat 12-Apr-14 03:47:25

Wahoo mrsG! Sleep is good!! :-)
I'm off to put Lara back down. Fx she stays asleep too!!

FizzypopFireball Sat 12-Apr-14 04:12:12

Yay for sleeping babies! We've just had a 6 hour stint, sort of. H was pretty restless, but went without a feed for ages!

Nature, I get the whole green poo thing too. I always start a feed on the same boob I finished with, which often means the whole feed is on that side. I still will start on that same side, if I remember. I get very lop-sided boob-wise, at which point I change side grin

My worry about the green poo is that it seems more acidic and can give a bit of nappy rash, but the gaviscon seems to help with that. Getting about 4 pastey gaviscon poos a day here - sooo much better than the constant poonamis we had before!

Found you!

mrsV wine would be lovely sometime, thank you.

nature congrats on job! We manage 15 mins per side absolute max (hence why my supply never caught up; she won't nurse if the boob isn't full) and often 3-5 mins only!

tarka and million woohoo for rolling! A is showing signs (rocking, grabbing her thighs) which is cool and scary. She's also found her feet, which is amusing me as she won't let them go.

toby we have that fight. DH cannot understand how fucked off it makes me. Before A I went through a period of childishly doing it back to him, but I am the boring responsible one, so felt compelled to answer when he'd send frantic texts checking I was okay.

Had a nice time at mum's, but did cry a lot. Mainly from relief, as she confirmed my suspicion that A is crazy high maintenance. I had started to wonder if I was being pathetic...

FelixFelix Sat 12-Apr-14 06:41:19

I don't know if it's because we are in an unfamiliar place this weekend (DPs parents house) but I couldn't get Sylvie to go to sleep until 1.20am shock she did two 20ish minute stints from about 8pm onwards but then woke up and laid squealing and kicking her legs like the happiest baby of all time, and it was a nightmare getting her to drift off again. At least she wasn't crying though! Of course DP fell straight to sleep as soon as we got in to bed even though I'd hardly slept as she woke up 4 times the night before angry

Anyway, she slept through until 6 and now she's asleep again but there's no point in me going back to sleep as I'd have to get up in half an hour anyway as I'm getting a hair cut this morning (first one since September shock).

Sorry, I'm tired and just want to whinge.

flyawayblue Sat 12-Apr-14 09:13:50

felix A wouldn't sleep when we were at the in-laws, only had her day naps in the sling after much grumbling. Night was painful too, cried at every sleep cycle.

nature we get green poos here too, I was block feeding for 3 hours for a while due to oversupply issues but now just swap sides at each feed if she won't take both in a session. I use a bracelet or hairband on my wrist to try and keep track of the sides.

Had a great time at the lunch yesterday, mrsv l lovely to meet you and h. We will have to do wine and food cake again, humpy could arrange a South London catch up smile

A slept in her own room last night, was terrifying for us but she seemed to love it. A bit harder to put down after her bath but slept 8-4 then till 7:30 and I feel so much more me and less 'mummy food bag'.

Hope others had good sleeps.

Naturegirl82 Sat 12-Apr-14 09:55:31

Thanks everyone for your comments. Fly I think I have an oversupply problem so I'm going to try longer blocks today and see if that helps. It's only really the morning and evenings it affects.

So Dh gas taken O out by himself to give me a bit of time to relax as still feeling utter rubbish. Hopefully she will just sleep and he is local so if she does want a feed they are close by. Going to have a lovely soak in the bath even though the temptation is to try and get the house a bit tidier!

beccajoh Sat 12-Apr-14 09:57:11

Felix we try and avoid sleeping anywhere other than at home for that reason! DD is always unsettled if we stay over anywhere, even somewhere she knows well like either set of grandparents.

I'm going for mummies night out tonight ladies! I'm VERY excited lol!

MrsVDB Sat 12-Apr-14 10:45:21

Yes was a really nice day fly thank you for mentioning it smile

Anyone else in south London is welcome to join a meet up

Taking h swimming today as his swimming lessons are on half term. Want to take him in full size pool as I think if he's just in the toddler pool I might as well just give him a bath. But as it'll be quite cold don't think we will be able to stay in long

MrsGSR Sat 12-Apr-14 11:17:52

Leah didn't sleep that well the first night we stayed at my PILs, but she slept better when we stayed at my dad's! She has random good and terrible nights at home and I can never figure out what is different so it could just be a coincidence!

God luck MrsV smile we took Leah swimming last week, she was a bit confused at first but seemed to enjoy it. They do aquatots here from 4 month so doing that next month.

MrsVDB Sat 12-Apr-14 11:49:50

mrsg they have aquatots here too (staying at my parents) but my sister is bringing her older children too so were going to the general swimming session

TarkaTheOtter Sat 12-Apr-14 13:24:47

nature I think it's more likely to be from the antibiotics. So long as you're only offering one side per feed I wouldn't worry about block feeding too much.

enormouse Sat 12-Apr-14 16:02:12

Guys I came onto post this, wanted to make sure you all know.

But mumsnet has been hacked by some knobber. Hence why there were problems last night with being logged out for some of us. The bug is called heartbleed.

But hq are advising that we change our passwords as they are now vulnerable.
Checkout justines thread for more details.

enormouse Sat 12-Apr-14 16:03:31

Also change passwords on other sites that have the same password as your mumsnet one.

enormouse Sat 12-Apr-14 16:31:58

felix when we housesat for dps parents, cal was really unsettled even though we took his Moses basket. Also I forgot to say when we were talking about blw, that I'd you wanted you could have my copy of gill rapleys blw book. I found it reassuring when weaning puree refusing DS1.

I also have an annabel karmel book up for grabs if anyone wants it.

nature Cal went through a short stint of green poos but my hv and bf group said not to worry providing the baby was still bright, alert and putting on weight.

MrsV and MrsG I took DS1 to waterbabies and he loved it. But I had to slather him in vaseline as the chlorine irritated his ezcema

Toby remind me never to get on your bad side grin. I made dp a list of things to do whilst I put my feet up and he got through them.

Sorry for typing and running, I was trying to get a fussy cal to take his nap, clean the place and get a batch of pizza dough in the breadmaker. But I thought the passwords thing was too important not to post.

enormouse thanks for the warning!

mrsV and fly lets do it! Sarf Lunnun meeting! Not that I am actually a South London girl (born in Watford, doncha know).

Alex was amazing at my mum's, almost slept better than she does at home. Contrary madam. maybe I should leave her there.
She's definitely getting gip from her gums/teeth. Drooling has increased, she gnaws on her fist and cries and when she can chew something hard she will. Oh god, please let this a) be over soon, b) not be her actually cutting a tooth and c) not be as bad as this every time. She's cried herself almost unconscious, and nothing nothing will soothe her. Oh, and she now turns her nose up at boob, I guess because it's more painful to suckle?
I have fridge cooled teethers, teething gel, calpol, am I missing anything?

becca enjoy your night out! I have one in two weekends time, and can't wait!

nature hope the bath makes you feel better.

flyawayblue Sat 12-Apr-14 17:21:03

humpty out so quick post but dentinox is brilliant and suitable from birth for reapplication every 20 mins.

enormouse Sat 12-Apr-14 17:36:12

humpty a muslin soaked in weak chamomile/camomile(sp?) tea and popped in the fridge to cool it.

I found teething powders/granules great too but I forget what ages they're suitable for.

I'm going to kill dp (again) I spent ages making the house smell lovely whilst he and DS1 were out, scented candles etc and he's taken a massive dump and stank the ENTIRE place out. Ohmmm…positive non murdery thoughts. Must not take heed of tobys suggestions.

Naturegirl82 Sat 12-Apr-14 19:48:41

humpty I grew up in Ruislip so just down the road from where you did. grin

BandontheFun Sat 12-Apr-14 20:55:35

Oh second post natal thread already. Been reding and running for ages forgot my password and couldn't see the reset button....How long does baby brain last?

H is teething I think as well, she is drooling non stop and biting her hands, she now pretty much constantly has a soggy sleeve. I haven't given her anything wasn't sure if she was still too young but will have a look at the dentinox stuff thanks fly Got her some of those teething things that are like dummies. Think they just confuse her, but keeps her quiet for a bit anyway.

Spending my Saturday night painting picture for H's walls, I say pictures more like match stick men (drawing skills are not good) times have definitely changed although proper night out with my friends next week, can not wait, there's a massive Mojito with my name on it out there.

It's nice to see on the Facebook page how quickly all the baby's are growing....

Naturegirl82 Sun 13-Apr-14 09:54:29

Oh dear, think I have a poorly little girl. Had some bad nappies this morning and then she just threw up an entire feed which she has never done before. Relaxing day on the sofa today it is then.

Angelesque Sun 13-Apr-14 10:54:11

Nature bleugh! Hope she feels better soon, poor little thing.

MerryPops Sun 13-Apr-14 11:00:05

Ditto here nature v sicky baby so cuddles on the sofa.

Dh decides to tell me last night, in a nice way of course, that he thinks we should be having more duvet time. I feel I have been very accommodating on that front for saying we have a 10 week old! I know it's not easy for men when their partners become mums and are not solely focused on them anymore but jeez, give me a break!

Hope everyone has sunshine where they are.

FelixFelix Sun 13-Apr-14 13:17:37

Ooh enormouse thank you for the offer but I have literally just bought that same book after i saw her mentioned before grin but thank you anyway!

Only just checked my emails and realised about the password thing. I've spent all of yesterday trying to log in and getting really frustrated that I'd forgotten my password shock

Humpty we are teething here too. It's awful! Sylvie is usually a really happy baby and doesn't cry much but she's been crying to the point of no return and it's horrible sad went to asda pharmacy yesterday and bought some Nelson's granules and some anbusol (I think it's called?) but then went round the shop afterwards and left the pharmacy stuff we had paid for in the basket! DP went back but it had gone, so he went to another pharmacy on the way home and bought Ashton & Parsons powder and more anbusol as they didn't have Nelson's. It seemed to work this morning. We also got some of those gum shaped hard dummy things for her to chew on but she's not a fan...

FelixFelix Sun 13-Apr-14 13:17:59

Nature hope she's better soon!

enormouse Sun 13-Apr-14 18:01:21

nature, merry hope the poor wee ones feel better soon.

merry dp keeps hinting at more duvet time too. But he's ok to wait too. As I've explained (several times) it's not the thought of doing it with him, it's the thought of strenuous activity of any kind. smile

felix I found the book really good, it's common sense mostly but I found it really reassuring with DS1. I had stressed myself out trying to get him to follow guidelines and eat the right amount of puree, at the right times. The rapley book convinced me it was ok to take a step back from it and allow ds to become comfortable with food in his own time.

Have come back from Dps parents. We were there for lunch and DMil advised me to use baby oil on Cals cradle cap, which I've done just now. I'm a little worried I'm taking his hair out with it as there's quite a bit on the brush. Am I going to make him bald?

beccajoh Sun 13-Apr-14 18:29:32

Err we haven't had ANY duvet time since DS was born blush. Not of the adult variety anyway. Plenty of early nights but I go to sleep!

beccajoh Sun 13-Apr-14 18:30:48

enourmous it's just old hair that hasn't fallen out that's all. You can use olive oil if you don't want to use baby oil...

AMillionNameChangesLater Sun 13-Apr-14 20:10:52

enormouse i was told to use rapeseed oil instead of olive oil, apparently it's better for their skin or something. Interestingly Crisp and Dry is rapeseed oil.

i use detinox cradle cap shampoo and a tiny toothbrush which works it into the skin and lifts off the cradle cap at the same time. Henry seems to like it.

fly dentinox stuff is ace, thanks for tip!

enormouse will try that! as she doesn't care for gel filled teethers. Fussy girl.

nature poor baby, hope she feels better soon. And North London fist bump!

Merry my DH suggests the same. We have had three duvet times in 12 weeks. Now I have my period back, so he has no leg to stand on (not a fan of period shags). If we get a chilled sat night, fine, but otherwise we need sleep more!

MrsGSR Mon 14-Apr-14 00:18:55

Argh! Last two nights Leah has slept for 3 hours, woke for one and then slept for 2. So she can definitely sleep for more than half an hour at a time! Yet tonight, despite doing everything the same, she has so far woken every half an hour. It's like she lulls me into a false sense of security, then just as I dare to hope I might get some sleep she tortures me by staying up all night. And why did her two good nights have to be on a weekend when DH could help?! Can't she chose to sleep now, whilst I have a headache and a bad cold and could really do with some sleep? Trying so hard not to cry!

MrsGSR Mon 14-Apr-14 01:51:46

Twice in her life she has slept for 5 hours, I was so supprised I kept checking she was breathing. We're now on 20 minute sleeps. I'm feeling quite sorry for myself!

Pidgy Mon 14-Apr-14 03:50:37

mrsG you poor love. I know exactly how you feel as we had the same for a while. I can't offer any advise that hasn't been banded about on here before but wanted to say it will get better.

Hope all the ill babies get better soon.

We had a lovely weekend with DHs family staying. Nice to have a houseful but it is tiring at the same time. DS loves having his cousins here though so he is pretty much entertained. Lara had lots of fuss too.

It's nearly the long weekend too! Where is this year going to?!

MistletoeBUTNOwine Mon 14-Apr-14 04:33:52

Hi all, I lost you at the 'lo!' Thread but keen to rejoin grin
DS is 3 months (13 weeks?) born on 10 jan.
Will have a quick catch up now smile

MrsG you poor love. When she's awake, does she need you (feeds, cuddles)? If not, if she won't scream, I'd leave her and sleep. Hugs.

pidgy sounds lovely! I wish I had more cousins. A will likely have v few as my DSis is a bit of a flake, and DH's DB is weird not currently ever in a relationship.

Naturegirl82 Mon 14-Apr-14 08:42:21

mrsg sorry you are having such a hard time. I think it's understandable you are feeling like having a cry.

I had a breakdown at/to dh last night. I'm struggling big time with bf at the moment. The actual feeding itself is fine, but the fact that I can't leave her is starting to get me down. I think it's just because I am still ill (and keep getting worse rather than better) and just want to sleep. Dh had her on Saturday and let me nap just bringing her to me when she wanted feeding which helped but yesterday he was out all day and then couldn't settle her in the evening so I had to take over. I just feel so worn out. I'm hoping it's just because I'm ill as I really want to ebf to 6 months and I don't want to express because I'm worried about messing up my supply. Sorry for the moan.

AMillionNameChangesLater Mon 14-Apr-14 08:53:57

mrsG and nature you're doing great. You really are. One day mrsg you will get some real sleep. Until then, be kind to yourself, have you tried co-sleeping? I can't remember if you said you had.

nature it cant be fun to never really get time off. You're halfway (ish) to 6 months.

mistletoe welcome back!

ds1 has spent 30 mins fake crying, no idea why and he doesn't seem to know. That's frustrating. Henry has a cold, his sheets were covered in snot, which wasn't nice. The house looks like a bombsite, and we've ran out of clean clothes for Henry so i have to do laundry. Hopefully the weather will hold and i can dry it on the line.

I'm going out tonight, just to a friend's house. We're going to have some home-made soup (I'm bringing the bread) and some wine/shloer. I live a rock n roll life

TarkaTheOtter Mon 14-Apr-14 09:14:34

nature I hope your dp was working yesterday not leaving his ill partner at home with the baby whilst he was out socialising!
Alex has a cold too. It's rubbish.

DH left our pushchair in lidl car park on Saturday and didn't realise til Sunday. Unfortunately no one stole it because it's about a million years old but they did take the raincover, footmuff and bag clips. I was secretly hoping it had been taken and was already browsing ebay for a 'new' one angry. Would have been a bit off a pain given we're off on holiday on Monday though.

Alex seems so much more awake and alert now. He is also requiring a bit more entertaining to keep happy.

million tonight's plan sounds lovely! I need to start having friends over during the week whilst dp is away for soup night!

MrsGSR Mon 14-Apr-14 10:07:22

nature have you tied ringing one of the breastfeeding helplines to ask about expressing? I managed to express about 6 feeds over a fortnight or so before she started refusing bottles, didn't seem to affect my supply at all.

million I love shloer! I've tried co sleeping some mornings after DH left for work, she feeds for a few minutes them pulls away from the boob, and then cries as she's not getting fed! So I don't really get any extra sleep.

DH took her from 5-7 so I've had about 3 hours broken sleep. Popped get in bed with me when he brought her back up and she lay there laughing! She's only just started laughing and it's very cute!

MrsVDB Mon 14-Apr-14 10:18:17

mrsg that sounds so tough. I always put h in bed with me in the morning, he chats for a bit then we usually get another nap. At least you can relax in bed even if not sleeping

BookTart Mon 14-Apr-14 10:52:12

Poor you mrsg you have my utmost sympathy. Percy is currently waking hourly at night and only Feeds to sleep, so I know how desperate you must feel at the moment. I hope things improve for you soon cake

To cap it all I've just had the HV round again, this time bollocking me because I need to sleep train the baby and she wants it done before her visit next month as my tiredness is putting her in danger. She clearly thinks I'm enjoying never sleeping for more than two hours at a stretch, and the fact that I borrowed every book from the library that has "sleep" I the title just doesn't show enough willing apparently. To say I've had enough of her shit would be an understatement. At least she's given up with the weight thing for now though.

How have all the second round of jabs been going for everyone? Is it much the same as the first?

TarkaTheOtter Mon 14-Apr-14 11:53:53

book your hv sounds dreadful! Can you just stop seeing her?

TobyLerone Mon 14-Apr-14 12:41:36

book, I think you need to stop seeing that hv. I really do. Do you feel like you still need to be seeing one at all? If so, you can ask to see a different one. If not, just cancel the appointment and don't make another one.

Angelesque Mon 14-Apr-14 12:44:10

Book your HV sounds like a total arsehole. She's adding zero value and is causing you unnecessary stress - I second Tarka and Toby, sack her off. You're doing an amazing job and she needs to foxtrot oscar.

FelixFelix Mon 14-Apr-14 12:49:16

Yes tell her to do one! What an arsehole.

beccajoh Mon 14-Apr-14 13:17:23

Big hugs Mrs G.

Nature, expressing the odd bottle won't mess up your supply. If you've been EBF for three months then it's well established. Hugs - I remember all the exhaustion from when I was BF dd.

Book FFS sleep training such a small baby? Did she say how exactly?

BookTart Mon 14-Apr-14 13:36:47

Yeah, I know she's talking bollocks, don't worry smile She also told me to wean her as soon as she sits up to help with reflux, and that her lack of sleeping through will delay her development of speech hmm. I just nod, and then worry that I'm the worlds shittest first time mother for a bit. I'll get over it and man up!

MerryPops Mon 14-Apr-14 15:45:54

No need for you to man up book that dozy hv ia the problem, not you!

Hugs to everyone with feeding and sleeping problems. Xander seems better today, no poonamis and keeping his feeds down better, thank goodness, running out of clean tops!

Angelesque Mon 14-Apr-14 16:44:20

Quick vaccination question... F is due to have his first rotavirus vaccination tomorrow (delayed from his other 8 wek jabs last week as DH had norovirus...). How did everyone find their little ones reacted? And did anyone choose not to have it?

TobyLerone Mon 14-Apr-14 16:54:20

Fucking hell, book. She actually sounds dangerous.
How did it go with the paediatrician?

Angel, Meredith had no real reaction to the rotavirus drops. A slightly gross nappy the next day, but that's all.

BookTart Mon 14-Apr-14 17:07:58

I didn't notice any reaction to it at all angel

Paediatrician was lovely. Persephone is now on Ranitidine (tiny dose) and she prescribed Domperidone too, but we're to try the Rantidine for a week first. No change yet though, but still early days.

TobyLerone Mon 14-Apr-14 17:49:34

Fingers crossed that it sorts her out!

puggle01 Mon 14-Apr-14 18:03:41

Hi -thought I'd lost you all!
Also getting some pressure from DH on the duvet front but little puggle will usually only sleep in the sling during the day and tucked into my side at night-neither of these do it for me on the feeling sexy front. He also seems to think I'm making this up as he keeps putting him in his cot when crying and expecting him to go to sleep as if by magic, then huffs if I take him to settle him. Grrrr!

Also teething here. Have got anbesol, need to get some of these powder/granule doodas. My DM says they tend to teethe/settle/teethe for a wee while before any teeth actually come through
He's also wrecked with eczema and a funny red rash too. Need to get the oats in the tesco value pop sock....

On the plus side - Hugh has rolled front to back and a red squirrel looked into my window today when I was breastfeeding! I am so annoyed my camera was just out of reach -

Angelesque Mon 14-Apr-14 18:05:32

Toby Book thanks! Just needed some reassurance after my Internet research - why is it I only focus on the one in a million negative comments and not the positives?!!

Angelesque Mon 14-Apr-14 18:07:06

Puggle I love red squirrels! They're such pretty, delicate things... Just a bit too far south here in Manchrster to see them sad

TobyLerone Mon 14-Apr-14 19:41:26

Ooooh, I forgot! Meredith rolled back to front the other day at MILs. Twice. She hasn't done it since, though!

TobyLerone Mon 14-Apr-14 19:42:39

How lovely to see a red squirrel, puggle smile

spinnergeologist Mon 14-Apr-14 20:03:57


Just found this thread, feeling a bit silly for not realising you were all here!

Puggle glad I'm not the only one stuck with no duvet time and a sprogling that will only sleep on me.

Any advice on getting him to sleep elsewhere?

FelixFelix Mon 14-Apr-14 20:26:53

Angel we had the rotavirus thing a few weeks ago and Sylvie was fine. She had a slight temperature but not sure if it was from the other jabs so I just gave her some calpol.

TarkaTheOtter Mon 14-Apr-14 20:59:05

angel Alex had a bit of an upset stomach for a day or so after rotavirus, but he was on antibiotics at the time so was already a bit runny!

Dh and I are trying to make the most of Alex sleeping well and are having romantic Friday nights. The rest of the time he's either abroad or in the spare room.

toby haha Meredith is showing you up because you said back-to-front unlikely so early! Alex has also not rolled since that first day.

puggle01 Mon 14-Apr-14 21:47:29

Hi spinner funny I'm married to a geologist.

I've tried -Ewan the dream sheep, lambskin under sheet, bednest, tilted cot, moses basket and hotwater bottle in cot (though haven't tried that for ages) my top in the moses basket, cuski comforter, shifting into bednest when deeply asleep - little puggle has had none of it. However, he has more recently tried to get off my chest at night to sleep beside me so I'm trying hard not to fret and realise he'll get there eventually.

I keep trying to remember he used to scream the place down for nappy changes but that slowly changed and now he loves nappy off - and I did absolutely nothing to make that change happen grin

I've put a wee saucer of bird peanuts out to tempt my squirrel to visit again.......

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 15-Apr-14 09:24:45

Henry has started waking at nights. We were up from 1.30-4 for the second night running. Any ideas? He's so tired at the moment.

last night soup and shloer was good. I was still home and in bed by 10.30.

i have really stinky trumps and wicked bad heartburn at the moment. That, along with being bloated, makes me feel pregnant. Which would be a sodding miracle. We've had sex once since 18 Feb because I've been constantly bleeding. I'm waiting for the tablets from the Dr to kick in

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 15-Apr-14 09:26:18

Today I'm making Easter cake pops, yellow chicks, and shredded wheat baskets to go on them. I'll upload a picture when I'm done

book your HV is mad, even my pretty tough and uncompromising DM told me to chill out about routines/sleep times as she's still too little. Believe me, my DM will be the first to suggest it, when it's an appropriate time.

million sounds lovely!

nature hope you feel better soon.

TarkaTheOtter Tue 15-Apr-14 09:41:15

How old is Henry now, million? Your Easter treats sound amazing!

I got out of bed on the wrong side today I think. Finding toddler hard work already. Hopefully day will get better!

TobyLerone Tue 15-Apr-14 10:21:11

Sounds delicious, million. I think DS and my nephew might make some rice krispie nests later. My sister is lobbying hard for shredded wheat nests instead, but I don't think the roof of my mouth can take it!

MrsVDB Tue 15-Apr-14 10:46:19

book I'd complain about your hv, she's causing you more stress for no need

I have another no sleeper! Last night h woke up every 1 1/4 hours ALL night! Not hungry just crying. Was the worst night he's ever had. I did have a cheapy nappy on that I'd got given and was trying to use up so don't know if that caused it? Hoping so as hope it isn't how he's going to be

BookTart Tue 15-Apr-14 11:54:10

million we've had three nights in a row where Percy has been awake for 2-3 hours from around 2am. She desperately tries to feed herself back to sleep, but no dice. Her size 2 Pampers don't seen to be up to the nights anymore, so I've got some BabyDry ones to try tonight in case that helps.

Thanks for all the HV solidarity. She's just phoned to say she's copied her favourite book on sleep and us going to drop it off later. I've just tried to put Persephone down for a nap three times, but it didn't work. She always wakes up the tiny bastard

MerryPops Tue 15-Apr-14 12:00:57

Ah we've not had a tiny bastard for a while, I've missed it!

Naturegirl82 Tue 15-Apr-14 13:23:16

book your hv sounds more of a hindrance than a help!

Thanks for the support. Feeling much better about everything now. Just got a heavy cold now which is helping as was worried it was turning into a chest infection. Had a lovely day with O yesterday and she has been a dream so far today. I think she has come out the otherside of the wonder weeks leap so has settled again.

It's gorgeous weather up here so making the most of the sun smile

beccajoh Tue 15-Apr-14 13:51:30

Both children are asleep at the same time and have been for an hour. I'm desperado for a wee but daren't move in case I step on a creaky floor board and wake one of them!

Angelesque Tue 15-Apr-14 13:59:01

Nature the weather up here is glorious isn't it? I'm going to try to get out with F this afternoon to go to the supermarket enjoy it...

puggle01 Tue 15-Apr-14 15:55:35

AAAAAArse! Going to visit DH in his (ex) bachelor pad in the big smoke tomorrow, see the bastard outlaws then visit my mum+ gran.
Puggle masterplan was to buy a bed rail, as little puggle sleeps beside me anyway so bed nest is a pretty massive and heavy safety rail really. Only need it for 3 nights as lo and I will have a double bed to ourselves at my mums

Anyway, panic ordered bedrail Sun on Amazon and have spent all afternoon putting the sodding thing together. Finally completed it and have noticed the big letters saying for children over 18 months only
I'm assuming it doesn't count co-sleeping ...........
What would you all do?

spinnergeologist Tue 15-Apr-14 15:57:25

nature and angel hope you both got out, we have the lovely weather here too, just managed to walk the dog and baby at the same time successfully yay. Now very grumpy as I think he got a bit hot in the sling. Oh well...

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 15-Apr-14 16:50:56

I would use it anyway puggle

Please find the pictures of the Easter birds/nests. We went for Rice Crispies, didn't think my mouth would be up for the shredded wheat. We bought the wrong thing for the face, and cake pops are trickier than I thought!

DS1 ended up with a moustache as I bought icing gel instead of the pen icing

puggle01 Tue 15-Apr-14 17:23:48

Cheers Million - that's what I was thinking. I'm sure DH will fuss at me about it but hey ho.

beccajoh Tue 15-Apr-14 18:05:16

Puggle it's probably just because they don't want to fork out for the licence for something suitable for babies...

Saw this posted on FB today www.adweek.com/adfreak/24-people-who-applied-worlds-toughest-job-were-quite-surprise-157028 worth a watch, especially if you're having a slightly crappy day. I may have cried a little bit blush

Rachie1986 Tue 15-Apr-14 18:14:31

I'm a December mummy (27th) but can I join anyway?

Dd 15wks now. On ranitadine for reflux, usually sleeps 4+ hrs at night, has been known to sleep up to 7 but only a few times. Doesn't nap much in the day. Not rolling over yet but has learnt to suck her thumb in the last 2 days. Joy!

Hello again everyone, back on after forgetting password to email address hence not being able to reset my mn password, stupid bloody heartbleeds virusangry

Baby pumpkin has been successfully sleeping through since 4 weeks but now at 14 weeks she has woken 2 nights in a row at 3am for a feed. Wonder why she has regressed?hmm
Put her up to 7oz today to see if that makes a difference.

Got her a cute easter chick outfit from Asdas the other day, a kinder lamb and im hoping to get her a lindt bunny (stuffed not choc) from sainsbos for easter smile

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 15-Apr-14 19:23:56

Welcome rachir!

pumpkin how odd. Although Henry has been waking up, not for milk, just for giggles I think!

puggle01 Tue 15-Apr-14 20:48:27

Cheers all - the instructions helpfully say under 18 months should be sleeping in a cot - little puggle tells me he can't read and will be staying in the big bed...

tmae Tue 15-Apr-14 22:39:34

Hello everyone my boy was born on the 13th of January and would love to join too if that's okay with everyone?

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 15-Apr-14 22:56:56

Welcome tmae my ds2, Henry, was born on 8 Jan

TobyLerone Wed 16-Apr-14 06:33:11

Hi rachie & tmae smile

million, I don't think I realised that Meredith and Henry share a birthday.

AMillionNameChangesLater Wed 16-Apr-14 08:12:11

They do smile that's why, secretly not now that I'm telling you i judge Henry's weight gain against Meredith's. Only weight, so I'm not a total cow, but I know i shouldn't be doing that anyway. But I can't help myself.

the 0-3 month clothes I put Henry in, and I was so proud about? They were first size from Asda. They were on the wrong hanger and i didn't twig. We've bought them again in 0-3 but they are still huge. As is the other clothes. So he's still in up to 1 month clothes. I know it isn't a big deal in the grand scheme, but it's getting tedious that he's worn all the same babygrows etc for ages, but I don't want to buy the next size up because surely he can't have long left in newborn? He's grew out of tiny baby stuff by the time he was 6 weeks.

sorry, rambling there! What's the plans for people today? Dh is off so we are going to take ds1 and Henry to a park with rides etc

TobyLerone Wed 16-Apr-14 13:59:48

grin I seeeeeee!

Baby pumpkin was born on the 7th January, haven't had her weighed in like ages. But she is finally having her 3 m check 3 weeks late next tue so will fill u in on her weight.

spinnergeologist Wed 16-Apr-14 19:52:20

million just seen the fantastic cakes further up they look really good! me and the sprogling went to the local sensory room yesterday and then out trawling the charity shops today for some bigger clothes (out of the tiny baby cloths at last). Fun filled day tomorrow with the second set of injections and packing for the dreaded trip to the in-laws....

Fingers crossed the jabs will make sprog drowsy again so packing can be achieved with two hands.

Angelesque Thu 17-Apr-14 13:29:42

Rant alert... We're hoping to go to a friend's wedding in Italy first weekend of May, but have had to do the whole booking an appointment at the passport office and then doing the fast track for F's passport. Deadline for them to send his passport to us was yesterday... Phoned passport line to ask what was going on and why hadn't arrived (particularly given we've paid a huge whack for their 'premium' 7 day 'fast track' 'guaranteed' service... They've just been really dismissive, said it might turn up today, and if not to call back tomorrow.

Anyone had any experience of the passport office's apathy? Any tips?

Pidgy Thu 17-Apr-14 15:44:46

Hi all!

If be angry too angel as can't imagine it was cheap. I'd request compensation from them for 1/7th of the 'premium' fee for every day they are late. Hope you get it soon!

Lara is wiped out after her jabs. Just slept for 3 hours when she's usually a power napper in the day. DS is asleep too. Bliss!! ;-)
She's now asleep on me again otherwise I was going to attempt to separate some baby aloe Vera plants from the 'mother'.

Excited here too as it's the long weekend!! Hope it's nice weather as we're heading to my parents on the south coast for sat to mon. Love going back 'home'!

I had Lara weighed and she's dropped down a band. I'm not worried as she's still pretty chunky (with cellulite!) but they don't half panic you. It was a different hv this time at the clinic and she was asking if I knew why, has she been ill, am I eating/drinking enough? Made me think I was doing something wrong but I've checked DS book and he dropped a bit at this stage too.

AMillionNameChangesLater Thu 17-Apr-14 16:39:31

angel I'd be ticked. We have to get dh and Henry a passport. Dh will also have to go to the office. Not looking forward to it.

pidgy the whole experience with Henry and his weight has told me that if you aren't concerned with the weight, don't let others make you worry. Iyswim.

AMillionNameChangesLater Thu 17-Apr-14 16:40:35

The tenexamic acid tablets haven't stopped the bleeding. I'm on a new set now, let's see if they work

MrsVDB Thu 17-Apr-14 18:46:05

angel no experience I'm afraid but I'd be pretty annoyed. Fingers crossed it arrives in time. If not I think you can go in and they do it same day?

TarkaTheOtter Thu 17-Apr-14 20:16:39

angel can you get hold of your mp? The passport office is likely to have a special mps line and they might be able to hurry them up for you. We did this recently with hmrc about something and it really got them to get their act together. We had a response in days from them when we had been waiting months.

Hi everyone,

Just back from a few days in montpellier, which was lovely. Saw DB and DF plus DBIL and lots of friends from when we were living there last year. It was so hot though, I thought I would die and it didn't help that I had decided to leave the buggy at home to travel light. The sun was really hot too, though luckily no one burnt. We were recommended mineral sunblock for N because he is so little. I really liked it, except for the smell. It really does smell like algae, though it goes away after the first few mins.

Got to try out the ergobaby ventus. Unfortunately N is too short for it and even with a rolled up towel under his bum isn't sitting well in it so will leave it for a month until he (hopefully) gets a bit taller. He seemed nice and cool with the mesh back, but the waist and shoulder straps are all quite big and padded and you do still have a baby plastered to your chest, so it wasn't quite so cool for me! I have not tried the original ergo or the performance one, so I can't really comment on the differences but it seems like a good solid carrier which will be excellent when N is a bit longer but not as cool as a ring sling or others that carry the baby away from your body. I am reserving judgement and will report back once short arse here has had a growth spurt.

angel that sounds crap. I hate the passport office at the moment too. Still waiting for N's passport after just over six weeks. This is the minimum time it now takes for a first time overseas passport application, so I don't know how much longer we will wait. DD's was issued the same day her application reached them and was with me less than a week after I sent the application from Egypt to the issuing office in Paris. Now it takes at least six weeks to apply from France to the UK. It also costs double the UK price excluding postage and takes twice as long. It makes me so annoyed because we can't visit my 94 year old granny until this passport arrives and at this rate we won't make it to the UK at all before we return to Egypt.

MrsV how are you? Hope things are getting better and the future is more clear for you.

I am pretty sure that you can't use the same day service for first time applications. They are usually a three week job, though the one week service may be available.

N is being a tiny bastard all the time, doesn't want to sleep and has become velcro baby. Also crying all the time. He is 15 weeks and this is quite a sudden thing. Anyone else had this? I will take him to the docs next week to try and get some gaviscon just in case (I am sure this was what was wrong with DD and he has been gassy and a bit sicky recently) but am getting seriously fed up.

million good luck with the next set of tablets. You inspired me to make rice krispie birds nests for sham el neseem (An ancient Egyptian festival still celebrated in Egypt which coincides with Easter Monday). We colour eggs, spend the day outside in the fresh air and eat herring, eggs, salad and (eurrghh) pickled fish.

AMillionNameChangesLater Fri 18-Apr-14 15:54:27

Today we went hiking, well, i went with church friends. Henry was in the Kari-Me and ds1 walked the whole way. Was about 3 hours all together, stopped for a picnic for an hour. But three hours walking, I'm very pleased with him.

Spged Fri 18-Apr-14 19:21:58

altered 15 week old tiny bastard, crying all the time, not sleeping and windy is exactly what we've got too. Miserable isn't it. Been feeling a bit sorry for myself this afternoon with it all but I need to man up. Being miserable just seems to make things harder, especially with DH. Am sooo tired though. Any advice on trapped wind and getting them to sleep would be much appreciated! Wonder if it's a wonder week?

We've got BIL and his 2 kids visiting tomorrow. We just need to get through that and then we can relax for the last two days of the Easter weekend. It's been glorious weather here in Edinburgh, so hoping it lasts!

Mythreeknights Fri 18-Apr-14 20:19:38

Found you all! Well, I need some advice. I am now suffering from mastitis for the third time in twelve weeks, (on flucloxacilin which makes me feel nauseous). So far I have been ebf with the exception recently of my dh giving a bottle of formula at about 11pm. Baby not brilliant at taking a bottle and refuses outright taking it from me. Gp has suggested I give up bf as the antibiotics are not great for either me or the baby and I agree, and also I have felt like death warmed up for the last 24 hours (shivery, aches, high spiking fever etc and a lot of breast pain). I had mastitis just once with ds1 and not at all with ds2 which makes me think there is a connection with this baby and me getting mastitis. The last two times are following car journeys when I have had to postpone a feed and I also wonder if this is a connection. But, what do I do? I would hate to give up but I would also definitely hate to get mastitis again. I am thinking of feeding from the good boob and expressing less and less from the bad one and giving formula, until I am just bf from the good boob and the mastitis boob is allowed to empty completely. I also find the let down seriously excruciating and whether I have mastitis or not, in the morning I am forced to sleep on my back as even turning onto my sides really hurts my boobs. I cannot cope with this level of pain for the foreseeable future. I am so down about this. Any advice would be most welcome.

TobyLerone Fri 18-Apr-14 20:54:42

mythree, you have my sympathy. I had mastitis twice by the time DS was 3mo. The second time it turned into an abscess and I had to have it drained under general anaesthetic. Then I gave up bfing. I really didn't want to, but at the same time it was a relief that DS and I weren't miserable any more.

It's a hard decision to make. But if it were me, I'd FF after 3 lots of mastitis. It's awful. You poor thing.

MrsGSR Fri 18-Apr-14 21:30:04

sad mythree that sounds horrible, sending lots of sympathy! I'm very pro breastfeeding, but I think in your situation I'd FF. You've done amazing to get this far! A friend of mine had a good boob and a bad one, she just fed from the good one.

Leah slept on me all night last night, were staying at MILs and it wasn't really safe to co sleep so I stayed up until 6ish when DH took her! Staying at my dad's tonight, brought the moses basket downstairs an hour ago and she's still asleep in it! Trying not to get hopeful!

MistletoeBUTNOwine Sat 19-Apr-14 05:52:04

How much are your babies sleeping at the moment? DS goes to bed (in crib joined to our bed) at 7.30 pm. I go up and change & bf him at 7pm. Then he may wake before we go to bed, so bf for 5 mins he's back asleep. Last night slept from 7,45 to 3.30 am. 15 min feed, woke again at 5.30 now feeding again.
During the day he only has about 3 x half hour cat naps. I know he needs more but he always wakes too soon!
Anyone else?

MrsG fingers crossed! Sounds like you could do with a catch up on sleep.

mythree poor you. I agree, you've done so well to battle through to now, whatever you decide going forwards, you and baby will be great. Hugs.

angel and altered bastarding passports. I need to apply for one, been putting it off...

altered Montpellier? How lovely, although annoying about the sling.

Yesterday my back finally gave out. Alex is now 14lb 8, and I've been struggling, as DH gets her to sleep with lots of walking and rocking; she now expects that as standard, or being held against my shoulder whilst I sing to her. Was in kitchen, rocking and walking, and my back just locked up. DH found us, me pressed against the door frame in order to stay upright, and had to carry me to sofa. Once the muscles have reverted to flat things (from a knotted ball of agony), how are we going to train her to go to sleep in a non-back-knackering way? I have tried e.g. cuddling, cuddling in rocking chair, patting, shushing. She looks at me like this ---> hmmangry and goes rigid and arches her back, and howls.

Oh, and she is 13 weeks (and 2weeks late) and yy to the gassiness, fussiness, overtired screaming etc. Bloody awful.

Angelesque Sat 19-Apr-14 07:11:59

mythree no experience to share but bloody well done on sticking with it so far... I think if I was on your position I'd be teaching for the Aptamil!

Mistletoe what you've described is pretty much exactly F's sleeping pattern. I really, really struggle to get him down in the day, and I guess he gets about ten hours overnight. Agree, it doesn't feel enough does it?

The passport finally arrived! So all okay in the end - but don't rely on the seven day service actually taking seven days. Still v annoyed at the 'help' line which was utterly useless...

Angelesque Sat 19-Apr-14 07:15:26

Humpty how stressful... Hope your back gets better soon. In the meantime, can you use a swinging chair? Or jiggling her on your shoulder while you're sitting? Although that doesn't work with F, he knows if I'm trying to test my back and he screams blue murder tiny bastard

AMillionNameChangesLater Sat 19-Apr-14 07:47:31

humpty that isn't good. I can't really give any advice. We put Henry down and leave him for 5 mins to grumble, go back in to give him his dummy, and usually he goes to sleep. Sometimes when he's overtired he screams, but if he's too overtired holding/rocking him just piss him off. So his room with a dummy and white noise and going in to replace the dummy every so often. There isn't much more we can do.

sleeping during the day, Henry usually naps after being up for 2 hours, for about 2 hours. That pattern pretty much continues during the day, he never has less than 30 mins in his nap. We are extraordinarily lucky though

TarkaTheOtter Sat 19-Apr-14 08:44:44

humpty will she feed to sleep? Or, I replicate the motion of a baby swing by sitting on the sofa with my feet on the edge of the coffee table and Alex lying on my thighs (feet at my waist, head at my knees). I just move my knees from side to side until he's asleep.

Starting to panic about my solo 11hr flight with baby and toddler on Monday. Having actual anxiety dreams about it. A bit concerned about jet lag too. Alex currently sleeping ok. Was going through/having one night feed but last few nights has had two. I don't really mind as he settles back to sleep quickly after each one.

AMillionNameChangesLater Sat 19-Apr-14 09:11:04

tarka i did an eleven hour flight with ds1 when he was 12 weeks. He slept the whole time

Mythreeknights Sat 19-Apr-14 12:11:58

Thanks for all your support with giving up the bf. well, I think it is the right decision as I am now tender (not yet red and swollen) in the other boob despite being on strong antibiotics. How is it possible to get double mastitis??? I pray that I am not going to get the fever and shivers again. Not looking forward to the nine hour drive back to Scotland on Monday.

TarkaTheOtter Sat 19-Apr-14 12:42:04

Thanks million. Have stupidly chosen a day flight but hopefully the warmth and background hum should guarantee some sleep. It's the toddler I'm more worried about!

AMillionNameChangesLater Sat 19-Apr-14 17:45:37

We did a day flight too tarka it'll be fine.

MrsGSR Sat 19-Apr-14 22:09:41

Good luck for the flight tarka!

Sleep wise, we try and put Leah down at 9, as it was working a little better, might start trying earlier though. On a good night she'll sleep for 3 hours, wake for one, then sleep for 2. She often won't go back down again so DH will take her downstairs. On a bad night she spends less than half an hour at a time in the cot. During the day she naps after being awake for about an hour and a half, sleeping for anything from 30 minutes to 2 hours. I have to make her nap by putting her in the pram and pushing it up and down though. Sometimes it takes a while for her to nod off!

She's just woken up next to me in her cot. I'm ignoring her for now as she's not crying, I doubt she'll go back to sleep though!

MrsGSR Sun 20-Apr-14 01:40:38

How does everyone get their baby to sleep at night?

MistletoeBUTNOwine Sun 20-Apr-14 04:31:06

I feed to sleep mrs gsr.
No lights or eye contact or talking. Baby mistletoe can't self soothe ( believe me I've tried sad) so boob it is. Awaiting a copy of no cry sleep solution from amazon. He point blank refuses a dummy.

Pidgy Sun 20-Apr-14 05:04:20

I feed her and then give her the dummy, holding her until she falls asleep mrsg. Then after 5 mins or so I put her down asleep. This works at night only.
During the day she naps for 30 mins unless I'm holding her, she's in her car seat or I'm lying next to her and she's snuggled up to me. She often has 4-5 naps I. The day but they are all v short.
She's getting much better at night though.
In the day I try to get her to self sooth which she can in the morning but as the day progresses she gets more and more tired so cannot.

mythree you've done so well to get this far. I'd give up if I was I. That situation as it's more important to have a healthy mummy IMO. Hope the other side improved too.

TobyLerone Sun 20-Apr-14 07:23:48

Good luck with the flight, tarka. You're a braver woman than I am!

MrsG, we have a rough bedtime routine. Bath, dressed in our room, sing her a couple of songs, read a short story if she's up for it (although she's usually grumpy and tired by this point) and then feed with low lights and the white noise machine on. I can't usually put her down awake because I have to hold her upright for 10/15 mins because she has reflux. She normally falls asleep then. Transfer to crib, and there she'll stay until around 1am. She goes back to sleep after her feed til about 5/6am.

MerryPops Sun 20-Apr-14 10:36:31

Mrsg we go upstairs around 7, feed, then I use my rocking chair for 5-10 mins. Used to use an app that had womb sounds and dummy but he gradually needed them less. When I put him down he sometimes wakes but fortunately he is quite good at settling himself at night. Similar to pidgy the above doesn't work in the daytime, he is napping on me as we speak! I am aware we are lucky with his night sleep though.

Xander is 11 weeks now and outgrowing his moses basket, unfortunately this means putting him in his own room as we were given a cot bed which won't fit in our room. I feel a bit uncomfortable about this but don't really have much choice. We have a monitor but still scary! How will you all manage the move to separate room?

Also he has not had a poop for 3 days now. He is mixed fed so I would have expected something. Doesn't seem to be causing him pain but when should I start to worry?

Happy easter everyone. I am going to stuff my face this week then I had vowed to start eating better and trying to exercise when he got to 12 weeks, which is next Saturday, sigh!

MrsGSR Sun 20-Apr-14 14:01:36

Thanks for the responses, we feed to sleep, usually every half hour! Going to try the Pantley pull off method this week, willing to try almost anything after an appalling night last night!

AMillionNameChangesLater Sun 20-Apr-14 16:30:36

Henry has been in his own room for about a month. It was ok. We have the monitor, but i check on him before i go to bed and if i wake in the night. I actually slept better when he was in his own room, i think we woke each other up.

MistletoeBUTNOwine Sun 20-Apr-14 19:35:48

I think DS is teething confused
14 weeks, so young! All typical signs though; intermittent grouchiness, one red cheek, chewing his any my fingers, drooling.
Any tips to help settle him? Won't go to bed! Tried anbesol, calpol, lots of bf smile hope we're not in for a sleepless night! sad

AMillionNameChangesLater Sun 20-Apr-14 19:54:07

Ds1 got his first tooth at 11 weeks. I didn't know that was young until someone mentioned it today!

Henry is majorly drooly and constantly chewing his hands. He doesn't seem to be in pain, so we just have loads of dribble bibs handy

FizzypopFireball Mon 21-Apr-14 02:12:21

At the risk of sounding like a bit of a cow, it's really nice to know other people are going through what I am with H.

He feeds to sleep pretty much all the time, although he often wakes when we put him down. This then requires half an hour of shushing and rocking, and holding down his flapping arms. He rarely naps during the day, so we have to force them on him - we take him upstairs to his basket, close the curtains, and have total silence. He only naps for half an hour, however. Sometimes I wonder if the effort to get him to sleep is actually worth the nap... It also means when we're out, he just doesn't sleep.

humpty I hope you get more sleep!

MyThree I really hope the mastitis clears soon. I agree with everyone else, that you need to keep yourself healthy first and foremost, so move to formula.

I'm currently listening to my wee boy writhing in pain with trapped wind. He's so unsettled at night just now. I've tried everything to move the wind on but nothing works and he often wakes up screaming.

H is still feeding hourly throughout the day - is this normal? He's just turned 15weeks, and it's relentless. I'm not sure if it's a symptom of too much acid in his tummy? I am considering weaning early, or adding in formula feeds, but hope he'll go for longer soon.

MistletoeBUTNOwine Mon 21-Apr-14 03:50:05

Fizzy, have you tried a baby sling? DS sleeps well in one during the day, may be worth a try? He's just starting to sleep in the pram too (after being fed to sleep!) but will go down, then need to get moving! Either rock back and forth or walking round.

DS just slept from 9.30 til now for 1st feed so not a horrendous night as I'd feared! Hope you all got some sleep brewthanks

MistletoeBUTNOwine Mon 21-Apr-14 03:53:16

Ps DS can feed hourly, go up to 3 hours between feeds, or only 20 mins! He's becoming more distractible now loves his Lamaze knight and horse toy, do when grumbling this will keep him going a while grin

TarkaTheOtter Mon 21-Apr-14 06:26:44

fizzy Alex rarely goes more than 1.5hrs between feeds during the day (but has done a 10hr gap at night).

TarkaTheOtter Mon 21-Apr-14 06:29:33

I think Mistletoe is right and the feeds will stretch out as they start to get more interested in playing/what's going on. At the moment a feed is as interesting as it gets.

TobyLerone Mon 21-Apr-14 06:40:17

Also, a feed is the easiest way for us to shut them up atm. I know it's what I do when I've run out of other options.

flyawayblue Mon 21-Apr-14 19:45:32

A few days ago I would have said Alice slept well and we were very lucky. Sadly the poor baby has been having terrible reflux and waking up all the time screaming in pain, gets in a horrible cycle then as she's over tired... Don't know if this is related to her cows milk allergy or not but going to try and talk to the gp tomorrow.

hope everyone had a lovely Easter weekend, without screaming babies!

FizzypopFireball Mon 21-Apr-14 21:59:31

Thanks for the reassurance. I'm not keen to introduce baby rice too soon incase of allergies or digestive problems.

fly it's horrible to hear babies in pain and feel so powerless to help. As toby said, a feed is often useful to soothe, and it definitely works for us. Apparently there's some research to say that nearly all reflux is due to lactose intolerance/allergy. I'm a bit hmm about the research, but mainly because I don't want to give up dairy!

I got Henry to sleep at 8.30pm tonight, so I'm celebrating a small miracle!

Sadly she refuses dummy/seated soothing/rocking. It's standing or nothing! She also doesn't feed to sleep, partly because getting her on boob is now difficult, and partly she just doesn't like it, whether boob or bottle.

We're seeing family this week, so when we're back we will have to train her out of it. Not going to start until we are back home though...

Swinging chair is also rejected. Stubborn baby like her mother. wink

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 22-Apr-14 11:44:52

Hope everyone's weekend was good? Ds1 was inundated with chocolate eggs/treats etc. People were very generous. We (dh and I) ate one of the eggs last night, he still has three left, and about 8 little eggs etc. Lucky boy!

I spent most of yesterday cleaning, the same again this morning. I ended up steam cleaning the kitchen floors and also wiping them with cloths, ds1 helped.

Henry has a cold still, which isn't fun. He woke a fair amount last night, but after a nap this morning he's playing in his bouncy chair.

FelixFelix Tue 22-Apr-14 12:15:20

Hello all! Been a bit AWOL on here but just caught up. Still teething here sad got Ashton & Parsons powder and also Anbesol liquid which both have great reviews online but they work for about 5 minutes then she's crying again! Ordered Sophie the giraffe from amazon last week and it's just arrived. It was £13 just for the giraffe or an extra £2 for a gift set with a soft vanilla teether in so I got the set. She is currently having a good old chew on poor Sophie! It's light enough for her to pick up and has lots of narrow bits for her to fit in her mouth. We have other chewy things but they seem to be too big and heavy for her.

I had about a week of Sylvie sleeping from 11pm-6am but now she's gone back to waking up at 3 for a feed. She's really hungry recently too and will have a bottle every 2 hours. My mum is still pushing me to feed her baby rice as she said it will fill her up! I'm still waiting until 6 months. Only 6 weeks to go...

Been a massive cliche and done loads of DIY this weekend, which involved a 1am A&E trip as DP managed to slice his finger with a Stanley knife shock we are like a living DM article.

Humpty The swinging chair was also rejected by baby pumpkin too, so much so she just screams in itsad , although it cost me over £69 I decided to give it away to a lucky member on a free site as it was just taking space!

million glad you all had a nice eastersmile
Kids got lots of eggs and baby pumpkin got lots of soft toys and I dressed her as a chick for the day.

Hv came today to finally do 3m check, at 15 weeks pumpkin weighs 12lb 2. Quite surprised she doesn't weigh more, as she is quite a little chunk now!

pumpkin also screams in pain at least once or twice a day for an hour at a time. I think it's colic as it is usually late evening. I have been trying gripe water but hv says infacol is supposed to be really good so going to get some.

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 22-Apr-14 13:23:01

Poor Sylvie and baby pumpkin

tmi warning

i forgot to add, the second lot of tablets worked and we had sex yesterday! The Dr said that he doesn't know if these tablets will stop the bleeding properly, but so far it's been 4 days of no bleeding! I'm so freaking happy. Although I hope the bleeding doesn't start again, at least I've given my poor fanjo some time off sanpro. Still waiting for the referral to the hospital for the scan to check all is well.

I'm taking Henry to be weighed on Thursday. He will be 15wks 1 day. I really hope we've achieved the 10lb target.

spinnergeologist Tue 22-Apr-14 14:10:12


Infracol is great but you must use it before every feed or it won't work.

FelixFelix Tue 22-Apr-14 14:38:20

Million that's good news! Hope they keep working grin

Angelesque Wed 23-Apr-14 12:46:03

Hello all - we're a quiet bunch at the mo!

Just kicking back with my enormous pile of thank you cards I need to write - F is 10 weeks, I'm so naughty blush

Has anyone taken their tiny bastard little darling on a plane yet? I don't think I've seen anyone mention it yet on this thread but then my memory is shot these days... We're going to Italy in just over a week and am slightly dreading the flight. Anyone got any tips at all?

AMillionNameChangesLater Wed 23-Apr-14 13:21:09

You'll be fine Angel just remember, you need never see any of these people again.

ds1 is in nursery all day today. I'm picking him up at five. So, thrillingly, I have:

a) cashed in all the shrap in the penny jar (£41.00)
b) mooched around Asda
c) tidied ds1's room
d) got distracted cleaning my room watching Gavin and Stacey

TarkaTheOtter Wed 23-Apr-14 15:49:28

Hi angel. Took Alex and dd on plane to California on Monday. Was sat next to a lovely lady who was about to be a grandmother and cuddled Alex for me whilst I wrangled dd. I relied on the kindness of strangers a lot but it was fine.
Take a carrier if you have one and take a few trips up and down the aisle to get baby off to sleep once the seatbelt sign is off. I've read that you should feed during take off and landing to help their ears but Alex wasn't hungry but didn't seem in pain anyway.
Are you taking a pushchair?

AMillionNameChangesLater Wed 23-Apr-14 18:11:43

Anyone else's 15 week old being a git about sleeping? Henry won't sleep properly in the day (day two of an hour nap all day) and takes ages to drop off at night. Once he's asleep he's totally fine though at nighttime

TobyLerone Wed 23-Apr-14 19:05:53

Meredith is 15 weeks today (as you know, million) and I was just saying to DH that in the day this past week or so she's been sleeping 10 mins, 15 mins, 10 mins, 5 mins etc. Maybe an hour in total. She's ok at night, though.

AMillionNameChangesLater Wed 23-Apr-14 19:58:25

Oh good Toby, it's always good to know it isn't just my baby smile

we have clinic tomorrow, if he's made it to 10lb, virtual cake, brew, and/or wine on me!

TobyLerone Wed 23-Apr-14 21:34:57

Good luck, Henry!

FelixFelix Wed 23-Apr-14 22:25:01

Million & Toby, Sylvie went through a weird stage a couple of weeks ago where she wouldn't sleep in the day, and would go for about 5/10 minutes then wake up again. She's 17 weeks now and been back to normal for the past week so I think it's just a phase!

FelixFelix Wed 23-Apr-14 22:26:35

Hope the weigh in goes well for Henry!

I'm just looking at car seats as we only have a group 0 one, and Sylvie is looking rather large in it. Apparently it's meant to last until 9 months but I can't see that happening! There's so much choice, it's really overwhelming!!! shock

MrsVDB Thu 24-Apr-14 07:03:42

Good luck henry

BookTart Thu 24-Apr-14 09:34:13

Fingers crossed he's hit 10lb million

BandontheFun Thu 24-Apr-14 10:13:35

H had her 2nd set of jabs yesterday I was waiting for the fallout like last time but she was much better ,a bit unsettled but nothing as bad as last time.....phew. I was on edge all day.

She is doing really well just now she goes down at 9pm and sleeps until 7am. I just go to sleep at the same time. Although I tend to hold her until she falls asleep, but thats mainly cos I like to hold her upright for 20mins after her bottle.

I'm pretty sure she was giggling yesterday, melted my heart. Can't get her to do it again tho.

Good luck today Million hope you et the news you want.

Anyone else's hair falling out loads? I goggled it and apparently it's quite common 3 months after giving birth and also after a traumatic experience so ticking both boxes.

TobyLerone Thu 24-Apr-14 10:20:33

My hair is coming out in handfuls! It's a nightmare.

FelixFelix Thu 24-Apr-14 13:47:58

My hair has been falling out for a few weeks sad in the bath it will literally come out in handfuls when I'm washing my hair confused I'm forever picking my long hairs off of Sylvie's clothes and out of her hands when she grabs my hair. I'm gutted as it's never grown past my shoulders for years, but it's grown a few inches since giving birth but now it's all falling out again!! Arghhh!

AMillionNameChangesLater Thu 24-Apr-14 14:09:41

Henry is 10.07lb! So very happy. I cried!

My hair is also falling out in clumps

TarkaTheOtter Thu 24-Apr-14 14:25:32

Great news million

TobyLerone Thu 24-Apr-14 14:41:23

Well done, Henry!

MrsVDB Thu 24-Apr-14 14:59:19

Woo well done Henry!

Angelesque Thu 24-Apr-14 15:38:14

Yay congrats Million and Henry! Great news!

Spged Thu 24-Apr-14 16:43:24

Thanks for the sleep rated info felix we are going through the same thing and it's great to know it might be short lived!

Well done Henry! Really great! C was 11lbs 11.5 ozs today at 16 weeks. Sticking to the curve like a magnet

We've been using the baby bjorn again in the last couple of days and she really likes facing out now. Not sure if this is for the improved view or just so she can chomp on the carrier.

I've been invited to an old work catch up dinner in May which would mean I would have to leave C with DH and also express milk. C hasn't had a bottle yet so I think we'll have to practice a few times before the big night. Does anyone know how much I should expect her to take on each feed? Also any bottle recommendations? I've read that it's better to express in the morning, but will expressing mean that I'll have to keep doing it once I start as I'll be making too much milk?

FelixFelix Thu 24-Apr-14 17:38:45

Well done Henry grin

BandontheFun Thu 24-Apr-14 17:45:14

Phew not just me then. I'm finding hair everywhere to. It really is a nightmare, I have always had pretty thick hair and its long so it's worrying to see so much hair everywhere. Who knows what I will be left with, hopefully it stops soon.

Whoop Million great news.

FelixFelix Thu 24-Apr-14 21:44:44

Ahhhhhhh I'm having the coil fitted tomorrow morning and I am shitting it! Please tell me it's not going to hurt shock

AMillionNameChangesLater Fri 25-Apr-14 04:34:19

Good luck today Felix

I don't suppose anyone else got paid today and is thinking "shit"? It's less than I thought and only just covers the direct debits from my bank, which means still no money until dh gets paid next week. Isn't ideal.

FelixFelix Fri 25-Apr-14 08:02:08

Thanks Million. We both get paid on Tuesday and I have £0 in my bank account. Hoping DP can stretch to buying some formula on his way home from work tonight! Arghhh!

puggle01 Fri 25-Apr-14 09:15:15

Good luck Felix - keep telling yourself nothing is as scary as having a baby and you've done that...works for me anyway.

I remember a few people with baby skin trouble. Little puggle was seen by GP for eczema, mucusy nappies and going blotchy when I feed him. I'm having a last lingering day with the Lurpak then its dairy free for 4 weeks. Feels much more daunting than being pregnant.....Anybody else tried this?

Sleep is a bit rubbish too - still beside/on me, every 2 hours after 1st 3hr block (17 and 1/2 weeks) THink its too much to believe cow's milk protein causing this!

AMillionNameChangesLater Fri 25-Apr-14 09:20:09

We have arranged for ds1 and Henry to stay overnight at MIL's on Sunday night. It's the first night away from him. I dunno how I feel, I'm nervous about it but i would feel this way no matter when he stays there. The thing which is driving me is that ds1 has a brilliant relationship with his ma-ma and that came from spending a lot of time together. So Sunday night it is. Which is exciting too!

MrsVDB Fri 25-Apr-14 09:37:21

Good luck felix, I agree can't be as bad as having a baby!

Those of you on fb will of seen h's rash. Well was at il's couple of days ago and dh ran him a bath and I was like its foamy what have you put in there? He said nothing so I assumed leftover shower gel etc. when we were bathing him realised water smelled of bleach. Rinsed him off and asked his family. Apparently his sister didn't know she needed to rinse the bleach off after cleaning bath! Doubt that helped his skin! Seems a bit better today after the aveeno though. Dr said to not go swimming but he has his swimming lesson tomorrow and it's in a hydrotherapy pool so I think I'm going to go anyway...

million I've left h one night with my mum and one night with dh and it was nowhere near as bad as I thought. Good job really as I'm off to Portugal next weekend on a hen do without him sad

So h is officially outgrown his Moses basket realistically should of been out of it weeks ago and wakes up in the night with his head bent over like Quasimodo! I'm not ready to put him in his room yet and mil still hadn't finished the curtains she took months ago! so I'm thinking of getting a travel cot for ensuite which I'll be able to see from my bed. Is this too pfb?? Hes not even 12 weeks yet...

MrsVDB Fri 25-Apr-14 09:43:01

spg I use a selection of bottles but I think mam are quite good if your still bf. no idea on how much I'm afraid as I've only really ff. h has about 5oz at a time but I think usually babies have about 7oz?

AMillionNameChangesLater Fri 25-Apr-14 10:00:59

We use MAM bottles. Henry is 15 weeks and has about 7-8ozs a time.

MrsV the bleach doesn't sound good! I thought everyone knew you had to rinse bleach!

BandontheFun Fri 25-Apr-14 10:38:55

MrsV if it makes u feel any better doctors can sometimes prescribe bleach baths for excema. There is some research done that it can help.

Next week my money is going down to SMP not looking forward to it at all.

AMillionNameChangesLater Fri 25-Apr-14 10:50:12

This was my first month of just smp. I'm very lucky I know, but I was shocked at how little I got. £544 ish. I also worked 6 hours on a KIT day.

FelixFelix Fri 25-Apr-14 12:50:31

I've been on SMP since feb but luckily we found a house to rent which is half the price of what we were paying on our flat in the city centre so we aren't much worse off. I've not budgeted well this month though!

Just got back from the docs and she recommended the implant rather than the coil due to my age (no idea why my age affects it?) and I'm glad as it didn't hurt at all! So I worried for nothing grin thanks for the reassurance though!!

AMillionNameChangesLater Fri 25-Apr-14 12:57:04

I have the implant. I love it, this is my third one.

i have a scan on Sunday to see why I'm still bleeding

Shroomboom Fri 25-Apr-14 13:00:30

Hi all smile I was briefly on the antenatal thread but you probably don't remember me! Lily was born on the 21st Jan, and I've been meaning to come and find this thread for ages but then it popped up in active convo's!
I haven't read anything yet, but will go and do that now while Lily's on the playmat smile Not sure she'll last for long though!

Shroomboom Fri 25-Apr-14 13:01:10

PS Please could I join the FB group too? Would love to see pics of all the other Jan babies smile

Shroomboom Fri 25-Apr-14 13:04:07

MrsVDB could you move H's cot into your room for a bit? We moved some stuff out and have got L's squeezed into a corner under the eaves. Not ideal for us as we keep bashing our heads grin

Felix having is the implant like having an injection? Eek, sounds horrible!

MrsVDB Fri 25-Apr-14 13:23:25

shroom I remember you! If you pm me your name ill add you on fb

Unfortunately our bedroom has 3 doors, a window and a fireplace so with our king size bed there's no room for anything else

I had the implant too and got on well with it. Did take a while to get pregnant after it was removed though

Shroomboom Fri 25-Apr-14 13:26:10

Ah thanks Mrs VDB will do smile Your bedroom sounds lovely though!

FelixFelix Fri 25-Apr-14 13:31:35

It's a weird injection thing I think. The worst bit was having the anaesthetic which was only a small needle and hardly hurt. I'm pleased with the whole process!

Million hope the scan goes well. Are the tablets still working that they gave you?

Welcome back shroom smile

FelixFelix Fri 25-Apr-14 13:34:19

MrsV I'm still squeezing Sylvie in to the cocoonababy! Her feet hang over the end though grin it says they can't use it once they can roll over so I'm going to put her in the bednest once she can roll. But that only lasts until 6 months anyway (she's 17 weeks now) and I don't have a plan for afterwards! Her room is on the top floor of the house and it needs to be painted and all the stuff sorted out. We haven't bought any furniture or anything yet. I'll probably just buy a cot for the bedroom and squeeze it in somewhere as I'm too nervous about having her upstairs away from us. I wouldn't mind if she was in the next room. I'm sure travel cot would be fine until you get sorted smile

anotherbitofcake Fri 25-Apr-14 13:49:11

Hello I'd like to join too. Ready yr messages makes me feel less alone as my LO is doing a fair few things that others doing - in particular napping nowhere other than me for any length of time! smile He's nearly 15 wks. Had issues with bf (tongue tie and thrush) ok now though he's still fussy. Wolfs it down in 5-10 mins though. Sleeping - usually ok. 7-12-3-7 and he's just started dropping 12 feed yippee. He's quite a high maintenance baby I think. Whinges a lot and will change mood in a second so have to have eyes like hawk. When he smiles and laughs though so cute! I've struggled a bit adjusting to mummyhood. I miss my old life and the freedom and I think I'm a bit of a worrier so find it hard to relax and chill out. It's getting easier though and I am enjoying it more.

AMillionNameChangesLater Fri 25-Apr-14 14:15:46

felix as long as I was on the second lot of tablets, they worked. Now I'm bleeding again, which is fucking great

BookTart Fri 25-Apr-14 14:16:06

puggle I did two weeks of dairy free. It was very restrictive as I'm already veggie. I had soya products though - do you have to cut them out too? About half of babies with dairy intolerances have problems with soy as well apparently.

Hi shroom and cake!

FelixFelix Fri 25-Apr-14 15:51:09

Million that's so shitty sad I really hope they work out what's up from the scan

Naturegirl82 Fri 25-Apr-14 16:56:36

Hi everyone, been awol for a little while. Been in London seeing my parents which was lovely and they finally got to meet O. Not much going on here, although she did manage to roll over from front to back the other day but I think it was a fluke as she hasn't done it since. I've been on smp since December so very jealous of those of you only going onto it now, it sucks!

FizzypopFireball Fri 25-Apr-14 20:10:00

Hi shroom and cake, and welcome back nature!

cake, I totally understand the whole struggling to adjust to motherhood, and for pretty much the same reasons. I'm in my thirties so definitely feel a loss of identity, and my new mummy identity hasn't really developed yet. But I guess it's still early days, so hopefully things will improve. I've decided I need to get out more and join more groups. Really hope that helps me.

MrsGSR Fri 25-Apr-14 23:16:11

We use tommie tippee closer to nature bottles, haven't had any trouble going from breast to bottle and back again, although she did refuse a bottle for a while. I think that's because she's an awkward baby though (she refuses dummys as well), not because of the bottle type! I express quite randomly and I've not had any problem with supply. I usually express 4-5oz which will tide her over for a few hours.

Starting Monday I'm attempting dairy, soya & gluten free to see if it will make a difference to her sleeping, shes still only managing about 2 and a half hours max in the cot, and only one long sleep a night! Then she'll only do 30 minutes to an hour for the rest of the night. I'm managing to get loads of sleep this week whilst DH is off work though, he has her 5-11am! I'm going to struggle next week though.

MrsGSR Sat 26-Apr-14 01:23:51

She's been asleep since 10, I'm very shocked! I'm too scared to go to sleep as I'm sure she'll wake up as soon as I drift off and then I'll feel worse! As we're at MILs I do have sky though smile I'm watching true crime programmes until DH takes over at 5 smile

puggle01 Sat 26-Apr-14 09:48:37

Hey mrsGSR can I be your dairy free buddy? (and soyfree but no gluten) Have started today....DH has been explaining to me that butter isn't dairy. Sigh! Will be interested if little puggle sleeps better as he was flipping terrible last night (final dairy binge may be responsible.) Doing it for his eczema and mucus nappies though. Have been told to take 1000mcg of calcium, don't know if you've heard the same?
If you don't mind me asking, what are you having for breakfast on Mon?

flyawayblue Sat 26-Apr-14 12:21:39

Also dairy and soya free here, kinda complicated by being veggie too smile Been doing it since last weekend and she's so much better (less sick, hiccups, crying, reflux). Just de-milking the flat as she has a contact allergy as well as ingestion, had another scare yesterday and just not worth it.

Was planning to talk to the gp about supplements, he suggested going dairy free while we wait fir the allergist appointment but didn't say anything more.

BookTart Sat 26-Apr-14 14:19:07

fly are you taking any supplements? As being dairy free made me almost vegan (only eggs left!) I was advised that B12 might be a good idea, as well as the calcium and vitamin D I was already taking.

Just bought lots of pretty clothes in larger sizes at the NCT sale. Not much in the way of day-to-day stuff though. I guess babygros get worn out with all the washing. I did get a jumperoo for £40 though, which I'm pleased with. It is HUGE though!

AMillionNameChangesLater Sat 26-Apr-14 20:58:36

We're watching a tv show at the moment. DH has just said that I'm like a "pair of old jeans that you've worn so much that they are comfy, Iyswim, with frayed bottoms and pockets which don't hold anything anymore" and he genuinely doesn't see why that doesn't make me feel good. Am i over-reacting?

MerryPops Sat 26-Apr-14 21:30:09

Don't think I'd be best pleased about those comments either million!

I'm sure your Dh didn't mean it in a nasty way, but these fellas don't understand how having a baby can make you feel about your body. We need actual proper compliments, not comfy jeans metaphors!

MrsGSR Sat 26-Apr-14 23:30:24

I'd be annoyed million, it sounds like something my DH world say without thinking, he usually means well but it's not always obvious!

I don't really know what I'm going to have for breakfast, we're still in Devon until tomorrow night so I might have to have a late breakfast after a food shop! Would porridge made with water be ok? I'll have to look that up! I'm also attempting to give up sweetners, so only drinking water.

In all honesty I think I'm just clutching at straws, I spoke to a pediatrician ages ago who said changing my diet wouldn't help her sleep, but at least I'll feel like I'm doing something!

Angelesque Sun 27-Apr-14 09:53:54

MrsGSR IIRC from my uni days, in Scotland they would ONLY use water to make porridge - using milk was considered a bit wussy!!

Million I would have a) smacked him and b) sulked until provided with chocolate and sycophantic snuggles. And left him with the night shift grin

Where are people at with transitioning from carrycots to pushchair seats? Know most of you guys are a good few weeks ahead of F and I - he's 10 1/2 weeks. We have the Uppababy Vista and have had him in the carrycot attachment since birth. However, he seems to have started to get a bit unsettled in the carrycot. He's much happier in the car seat on the chassis. I think he's getting bored and frustrated in the carrycot as he can't see out (he's soooooo nosy!).

My understanding is that seats aren't recommended till six months due to head control... F has really great head control (can sit supported already and has done for a while) - would using the seat be a baaaaaad idea?

Angelesque Sun 27-Apr-14 09:58:10

Also - on the dairy free thing - is the issue dairy per se, or lactose? The Lactofree range is in most supermarkets - basically they add an enzyme to ordinary milk to break down the lactose, that's it - so the products taste good. However, they're not dairy free so might not be suitable. Not sure if helpful but thought I would chuck it in there...

MerryPops Sun 27-Apr-14 10:13:32

I'm switching fully to formula today as I start back at work week after next and I don't think I'll have time to express enough (Xander has always been fussy on the boob). God my boobs are aching! Should have thought ahead and got a cabbage in, don't think iceberg lettuce leaves will have the same effect?!

FizzypopFireball Sun 27-Apr-14 10:43:17

Angel we have the same travel system. You can get a Snug Insert for younger babies which helps support their head, and boosts them further up in the pushchair seat. It works really well. I think you can order them from John Lewis.

flyawayblue Sun 27-Apr-14 10:47:36

I would't have been impressed either million, though weekend for silliness / arguments with dh here too. Not good and at one point dh through his tablet across the room (I said he spent more time on it than with me / A) and now it's broken, good waste of £500 sad

For us is sadly milk protein not lactose, so trying the rice, almond, coconut milk. There not too bad and just had scrambled egg, toast and fried new potatoes all dairy, gluten and soya free smile

Off shopping and to look at supplements, finding it really hard to find veggie, dairy & soya free ones. Everything has fish in it!

merry have you tried cold compress? Works a bit when I'm engorged. Other than that read that a small amount or raw sage works as well. On my phone so can't link but have a look at kellymum.

Naturegirl82 Sun 27-Apr-14 10:48:37

angel I'm getting this for the vidta as O is nearly too long for the carrycot [[ http://www.pramworld.co.uk/uppababy-snug-seat#.U1zPq6OsPJs]]

Naturegirl82 Sun 27-Apr-14 10:49:18
Naturegirl82 Sun 27-Apr-14 10:51:20

My goodness I'm having trouble posting today. Obviously it's the vista I'm getting it for!

Angelesque Sun 27-Apr-14 12:03:59

Fizzy Nature that looks great - I think we might go for that. He's almost too big for the carrycot I think too - we think he's about 16lb now

TobyLerone Sun 27-Apr-14 12:49:20

Angel, I'm trying to keep Meredith in the carrycot for as long as possible. She's 15 weeks and seems to hate the pram now because she can't see out and I think it might aggravate her reflux to be lying fully flat. So I'm mostly just using the sling instead. But I think we'll have to move from the carrycot to the pushchair seat soon. It's a toss-up between what's best for her back and what's best for her tummy/general happiness.

BandontheFun Sun 27-Apr-14 16:22:33

Angel I haven't used the carrycot bit of my pram since H was like 7 weeks. Although the pushchair bit is suitable from birth and reclines flat. Had to start using it earlier as she just got angry not being able to see out.

AMillionNameChangesLater Sun 27-Apr-14 16:46:14

Henry still has 6 inches of space left in his carry cot, but we tend to use the carseat more as he wants to look around.

i went for the scan, she didn't tell me anything. Asked how much bleeding, since when, how many pregnancies I'd had, and if i was having a lot of loose stools...? No idea what she thinks. Just told me to make an appointment with the gp in 7 days. Any ideas anyone?

puggle01 Sun 27-Apr-14 17:16:11

Tired tired tired. Little puggle snoozed on my lap from 8 lastnight (breaking Bad series 6 finale) but then woke up going to bed at 10 then woke up 11, 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7. Sometimes for a feed, sometimes for the nipple, sometimes cos he'd fallen asleep on my chest and wanted off, sometimes just cos he's really itchy scratcy. I know its exacerbated when I'm really tired as I just latch him on & go back to sleep rather than doing a full feed. Am going to have to make a proper effort tonight or I'll be dead in a few days. Daytime kips happen in the sling and sitting down chases the sleep pixies away. Really really hoping thus sorts itself out as don't seem to have much luck with the pantley pull off or whatever its called...

AMillionNameChangesLater Sun 27-Apr-14 22:04:01

Ouch Puggle! That sounds tough. I hope tonight goes better for you.

ds1 and Henry are with mil tonight. She's sent regular text updates and they were both asleep by 7.30 which is good.

dh and i went to the pub, had hot dogs for tea, picked up a bumbo from a Facebook selling page (turns out the seller lived 100yards away) and now watching Castle. How's everyone else doing?

TobyLerone Sun 27-Apr-14 22:27:04

We're all subdued and knackered this evening. DH, Meredith and I were in Essex for a wedding all weekend, and DS was on a DofE training day today, where he walked 10 miles.
We had to co-sleep with Meredith in the hotel Fri and Sat nights because she wouldn't go in the travel cot they kindly arranged for us. So 2 nights of broken sleep hmm

Enjoy your evening, million.

million men don't get it, do they? I'm sure he meant that he know your body so well, 'familiar', rather than 'comfy', but it's a crap way to put it.

angel we might well convert to pushchair mode shortly, partly cos A is now really too big for the carrycot. I'm ignoring the 'lie flat to 6m' advice as I am starting to do with most official advice as I'd have to buy a different pram, which is not happening!

AMillionNameChangesLater Mon 28-Apr-14 07:33:50

We talked about the whole "comfy" thing, he meant that being with me is so easy, and comfortable.

HMRC took the £200 that i was overpaid in one lump today, instead of £50 a month. Which meant we were £50 short on the rent. Happily i have wonderful landlords (my folks) who were ok about me paying the extra £50 on Wed when DH gets paid.

On my one chance to have a lie in, I was awake at 6:15. My SIL had her baby this morning, another boy! He was 9lb 14 and she had an hour labour. No name yet, can't wait to meet him

Angelesque Mon 28-Apr-14 09:28:25

million congrats to your SIL! What a big boy - great it was over quickly grin

FelixFelix Mon 28-Apr-14 10:17:49

Million congrats to your SIL smile

We used the carrycot once and she hated it as she likes to sit up, so I always just use the car seat on the frame. She's never in it for very long as we only use it when out shopping etc. and it's easier for all of us! The next attachment for my pram lies flat if I want it to, but it probably won't use it for a while yet as the car seat is just really convenient and I'm not convinced the pram will fit in the boot with the main attachment on blush

Had a busy weekend. Friend visited from Manchester and then the in laws came down yesterday and we went to ikea as they have a land rover and can fit loads of stuff in there! We have done loads of little improvements on the house recently and I'm feeling a lot happier here. Just Sylvie's nursery to sort out now which needs painting, then we will order the furniture next month. Exciting! Another friend coming up from Nottingham today so we are going to do lunch, then the last set of immunisations tomorrow.

TobyLerone Mon 28-Apr-14 10:30:59

We didn't bother with getting a car seat which attached to the pram chassis, because I knew I wouldn't use it. We have a massive boot, which is lucky as we have a massive pram (Stokke Xplory).
After posting yesterday we decided to get the pushchair seat down from the loft, and realised that it comes with a wedge thing so you can use it from newborn. So we've relegated the carrycot to the loft smile

BookTart Mon 28-Apr-14 11:09:19

We never used the carrycot bit of the pram, and have always used the car seat. I did try to put her in it for naps for a while, but she wasn't having it so it has been dumped in the spare room where the littlest cat has started sleeping in it!

Poor Persephone is having a rough time at the moment. I don't know whether it is her new reflux medicine or a reaction to her 12 week jabs last week but her regurgitation and wind are so bad that she can hardly feed in the day, pulling away and crying, and wakes up hourly or more at night crying and pulling her knees up. We've had episodes of screaming and crying, which are very unusual for her. I'm not sure what to do. Once she's had a dirty nappy then she's all smiles again, but she feeds to sleep so once her feeding is disrupted then her sleep is shot away as well. When I do get her to sleep then she stays latched on and sucks throughout her nap, so she's probably over feeding at times which can't help her tummy. I feel so sorry for her sad

TobyLerone Mon 28-Apr-14 12:12:46

Poor Percy sad Does massage help her tummy at all?

MrsGSR Mon 28-Apr-14 12:21:21

book that sound really bad, I hope things improve soon!

Saturday night Leah slept relativity well, DH didn't need to take her at all. DH is back at work today and usually takes her 5-7, but took her at 4.30 after I woke him up with my sobbing! Spoke to the health visitor today, she's getting someone to pop in next week and give me some advice. She's now 14lb 15oz at 14 weeks! She has gone up from 50th percentile to 75th and is now between the 75th and 91st percentile. Apparently I don't need to worry as she's breastfed, but I'm a bit concerned that she'll grow out of her 3-6 month stuff before she's 5 months!

enormouse Mon 28-Apr-14 12:32:26

Found you all again <sobs and clings to thread> you dropped off my threads I'm on list after a few days of disrupted wifi and haven't been on active convos for a while.

Having a fairly hellish time, entire family sick with cold. Cal is a frigging giant and no longer fits in either basket or crib and has had to cosleep with us till DS1 is ready to give up his cot. Like Toby I'm not the biggest fan of co sleeping as the toddler was and still is an enthusiastic mover whilst asleep. He's often ends up upside down with his arse in the air like a roast chicken. For the same reason I don't want to bed share with Cal and I worry about rolling onto him.

The house needs a good clear out with a few room swaps, ideally both boys going into a large room together eventually.

DP is irritating the fuck out of me, as I'm stressed with exams and his brand of tough love is not what I need right now (' you need to sit down and just fucking get on with it'). Not what I want to hear when sick and fielding sick kids.

million congratulations to your sil. I love castle btw (if it's the one I'm thinking of) - Nathan Fillions in it right? I loves him.

Off to win a parenting award in benign neglect now as DS1 eats fishfingers and beans with chips in front of Dr who.

I'll never leave you lot again!

TobyLerone Mon 28-Apr-14 12:35:23

Welcome back, enormouse! Hope you all get well soon.

AMillionNameChangesLater Mon 28-Apr-14 12:40:43

It is him enormouse i love it!

get well soon! Ds1 has been eating a lot of fish fingers and beans, i don't feel bad at all!

enormouse Mon 28-Apr-14 13:07:26

I'd watch Nathan Fillion in anything (have you seen firefly/serenity?)
I'm not a big fan of Beckett in castle but I love Nathan's barmy eccentric mother.

I might stick on the DVD when DS1 goes for a nap.

AMillionNameChangesLater Mon 28-Apr-14 13:56:42

I have! I crushed on him then too :D

they are on Netflix as well as Sky Demand. Flipping love him

TobyLerone Mon 28-Apr-14 15:29:28

I've just realised that it was exactly a year ago yesterday that I found out I was pregnant smile

BookTart Mon 28-Apr-14 18:26:44

Aww toby smile Mine is today (I think). It was the day before bank holiday Monday and I had to blow out my work friend's 50th birthday pub crawl, without being able to explain why! I told DH who said "well done" before telling me in detail how he got the lawn to be stripey hmm

TobyLerone Mon 28-Apr-14 19:19:45


I was naked when we found out. I came belting downstairs with a cheapo internet test strip with a very faint line on it, to ask DH if he could see it too. Neither of us were properly sure so we had to go out and buy a digital one.

anotherbitofcake Mon 28-Apr-14 20:38:40

Ha me too Toby! When was yr LO born? Mine 11/01

TobyLerone Mon 28-Apr-14 20:59:18

8/1, 3 days late.

AMillionNameChangesLater Mon 28-Apr-14 21:28:02

What a day!
Henry got his second set of injections, he was great. I had a massive period leak on the bus (there's a thread in chat) and now I've been invited by my next door neighbour to a Pampered Chef party next Friday night.
I've never spoken to her beyond saying hi, but there was a sweet cars posted through my door with my name on (from the Christmas card I sent) explaining what happens at a PC party, that there was no obligation to buy anything, that she'd love me to come, and giving her number. She put on there that if i cant make it hopefully we'll catch up another time. She also said i can invite a friend.

the thing is, i don't know anyone who will be there. Money is tight, is PC good? I would feel obliged to get something, can spend about £20, and i don't know anyone.

what are people's thoughts. Should I go?

TobyLerone Mon 28-Apr-14 22:37:18

I think it would be nice to go. I've never been to one, and usually avoid people in general that sort of thing like the plague, but most people are more sociable than I am!

Perhaps start another thread in chat about what to buy/avoid? Hope you're feeling much better now, after your traumatic day.

MrsVDB Mon 28-Apr-14 23:36:46

So he's been cheating. Fucking scumbag. Went to see her day I came out of hospital with h. I hate him

Gettingthroughthis Tue 29-Apr-14 02:20:58

Name changed for obvious reasons

MistletoeBUTNOwine Tue 29-Apr-14 02:37:14

Oh no mrs v! Want to talk? I'm up with poorly DS (temp).

Gettingthroughthis Tue 29-Apr-14 02:38:46

I just can't believe he's done this to me sad I knew all along and he made me out to be paranoid. I just fucking knew

MistletoeBUTNOwine Tue 29-Apr-14 03:16:49

How did you find out?

TobyLerone Tue 29-Apr-14 03:47:57

What a cunt angry

Gettingthroughthis Tue 29-Apr-14 03:56:30

I suspected she had sent him a birthday card (early April) as gave him presents and thought it was strange no card. He left his job on friday so I checked his work bag and she'd given him 3 cards. 2 juicy Lucy ones about preferring him with no pants off and holding his willy and one lovey dovey one. Cuntpuffins

TobyLerone Tue 29-Apr-14 04:00:37

Ffs. So definitive proof, then. I'm sorry sad

Gettingthroughthis Tue 29-Apr-14 04:17:55

Yes he's admitted it. But just the once though.... Bullshit

TobyLerone Tue 29-Apr-14 04:27:32

What an utterly spineless bastards.

TobyLerone Tue 29-Apr-14 04:28:22

Stupid autocorrect. Just the one bastard. Although she's a bit of one too.

MistletoeBUTNOwine Tue 29-Apr-14 05:43:04

Makes me sick! Have you kicked him out? angryangry

BookTart Tue 29-Apr-14 06:43:21

Fucking fucker. I'm so sorry. I'm furious for you. Spineless bastard angry

enormouse Tue 29-Apr-14 07:21:08

Fucking hell MrsV. You poor thing. thanks
Do you have rl support?
I'm furious for you angry, the complete fucking bell end.

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 29-Apr-14 07:36:42

What a fucker getting an absolute fucker. Do you have people around you?

Gettingthroughthis Tue 29-Apr-14 08:04:46

Yes kicked him out. He's coming to get his clothes today. We can do better than him. Dick. Never hated anyone so much in my life. My parents are on holiday until Friday but once he brings back my car today I'll probably drive back to see my friends. Need to see solicitor and protect me and Henry

TobyLerone Tue 29-Apr-14 08:11:09

Don't interact with him. In fact, I'd put his clothes in bin bags and leave them outside for him. That way you don't have to see the utter shitbag at all.

Naturegirl82 Tue 29-Apr-14 08:44:35

getting I'm so sorry you're going through this. He doesn't deserve you or Henry.

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 29-Apr-14 08:51:32

getting stay strong, you are doing well. We're all here for you x

MerryPops Tue 29-Apr-14 09:26:10

I'm so sorry getting complete bastard. H is the only thing that matters and he will get you through it.

flyawayblue Tue 29-Apr-14 09:45:58

What a complete bastard getting, you and Henry don't need his shit.

Know we don't know each other well but just shout if you need someone close to kick him in the balls, be there when he collects things, drink wine and chat with.

MrsGSR Tue 29-Apr-14 09:57:19

So sorry getting. What a complete twat.

FizzypopFireball Tue 29-Apr-14 10:17:04

I'm gutted for you, getting. Just to repeat everyone else: we're here for you no matter what. You have our sympathy and support.

getting so sorry to hear that your suspicions were confirmed. He is way way beyond the usual insults of cuntpufffin twat and bastard and is in a category all his own. I agree with you that it doesn't sound like it was just the once given the cards and even if it were, how does that make it acceptable? angry

Like you say, you are better than this and you and H deserve better. Onwards and upwards! I am too far for cake unfortunately but can send emergency macarons or my four brothers who all play in the front row.

My news is that we have decided to go back to Egypt early, on June 1st. Lack of money, too much time on our hands and not really being able to make the most of our time here in Paris with a small baby made us rethink staying til the end of the school year. I am half excited, half terrified especially as in the last call DMIL mentioned that I "still don't know how to get the kids into a sleeping routine". I felt really cross about that because we are living in a one room flat with a chronic sleep refuser who can see and hear everything we are doing from her bed, and a four month old baby who sleeps through the night fine. On the other hand, after a year of not knowing anyone and family being so far away it will be lovely to have some help with the kids and to have a strong social network again. Not to mention actually having an income.

BIL coming round in 15 minutes and the place is predictably a complete tip with a big pile of dirty washing ready to go...I am also not dressed blush I don't understand why I can clean but I still can't make the place look tidy. So much stuff and as lots of it is presents DBIL has given to DD I can't even get rid of them!

MrsV/getting fuckity fuck bollocks. What a total arsing scumbag of a sub human. I am so angry on your behalf. Who does this? FFS. I'm amazed you're generous enough to give him his stuff back, I'd be lighting a bonfire. Cockmunch.
We must sort out wine, cake and a good slagging off chat.

book A was like that over Easter. Lasted six days then overnight improvement. Fx it's the same for you.

million congrats to your SIL!

altered awesome! I can't wait to take A to visit Egypt when she's older. More space and support will be great.

FelixFelix Tue 29-Apr-14 15:33:50

Getting what an absolute cunt. He saw her the day you came out of hospital?! Arghhhh wtf is wrong with these people. I am genuinely angry and upset for you. I hope you can get away to see some friends and have some rl support sad

Just been for the last set of jabs until she's 12 months now. Cried for a minute or so then fell asleep. Now she's laughing and kicking me sat in her rocking chair. It's a beautiful day here and I'm really missing having a garden/balcony like we had in the flat. There's not even a park nearby to go to!

FelixFelix Tue 29-Apr-14 15:58:57

Ooh it was a year ago on Monday that we found out! We went to Ingleton to walk round the waterfall trail and I bought a test from Wilkos on the way and couldn't wait until we got home, so I did it in the toilets at the visitors centre blush We packed a posh picnic and we were both freaking out too much to eat anything. Seems like a lifetime ago now.

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 29-Apr-14 17:14:30

A year ago on Monday we found out too. I took a test as felt pregnant, DH and ds1 were still asleep. Saw a faint positive, so took a pic and sent it to my mom, who agreed that i was.

i went upstairs and told dh. I was in floods of tears (not happy ones at all) he was beaming.

BandontheFun Tue 29-Apr-14 17:32:15

Getting that's awful for you and H. Keep your chin up, you guys will be ok.

I found out I was pregnant on the 4th May last year. Only reason I took a test was I was going to a theme park holiday and wanted to make sure it was ok to ride the rides, hadn't missed a period yet. So finding out was a mixture of great been trying for ages but also dammit, i freakin love rollicoasters. I think it was even more if a shock because I was only doing it for reassurance that I wasn't.

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 29-Apr-14 18:53:16

Our HV called, she isn't happy with his weight gain. Even though he's alert and meeting his milestones.

She isn't happy about the delay until we get to see the paediatrician, so she has arranged for us to meet some kinda uber hv on Tuesday morning to discuss his eating. He will be 17 weeks the next day, so I'm going to discuss trying food with Henry and see what she says. I know food has less calories than milk, but I'm hoping if he eats some food, he will try drinking too.
I'm not going to give him any before speaking with her, so don't panic, but i need to do something.

Still, it'll be fine

MrsGSR Tue 29-Apr-14 22:33:45

How much does he weigh now million? Sorry if you've already said, I'm sleep deprived!

She's sleeping at the minute, on my lap sad

AMillionNameChangesLater Tue 29-Apr-14 22:53:53

He's 10lb and 0.7ozs at 16 weeks. Well, 16 weeks tomorrow. He's now dropped below the 0.4th centile. He just isn't interested in feeding. We've tried everything, honestly everything. Waking and undressing st night, waiting for him demanding food/giving him something every hour/two hours/etc, not giving him milk straight away so he cries for a bit and becomes hungrier (that one wasn't fun) quite simply, he eats when he wants to. There's no rhyme or reason, I cant say he usually has 8ozs at any particular time, it's when he feels like it. He's so bloody laid back, but really stubborn about milk. We've changed milk too, he's had all the first milks available. Seems to prefer SMA so moved onto that

FelixFelix Tue 29-Apr-14 22:56:15

Million your HV sounds great. Agree with your logic re the food. It's worth asking about!

Tonight is the first day of implementing some sort of night time routine. Usually she will sleep downstairs then we take her up to bed with us at about 11pm. She used to sleep well downstairs but now shes started getting disturbed by noise. I gave her a bath at 7 then got her to sleep by 8 upstairs in her crib with the monitor on. She woke up at 9ish for a bottle then went back to sleep. I was expecting her to keep waking up but she's been brilliant. I'm so pleased! Has anyone else started with a routine yet? Do you find it easy to stick to and have you found it works well? I'm interested to see what everyone else does.

FelixFelix Tue 29-Apr-14 22:59:08

Million it would be good if there was some sort of higher calorie formula they could prescribe for him. I wonder if that's a thing? Probably not as I'm sure he would have had it by now. It must be so frustrating as you physically can't force him to eat if he's just not interested. I hope the uber HV visit goes well.

flyawayblue Tue 29-Apr-14 22:59:32

Sorry your having such a bad time with the hv million, he looks lovely in the photo's. I wish they didn't obsess with charts.

mrsg hope you get some sleep too.

A is finally down, nearly went at 8 but woke herself up crying in pain. Poor girl was awake nearly 7 hours, don't think she's been awake that long before.

Off to try and get some sleep, have a KIT day tomorrow, not sure how I feel about it or going back to work. When does everyone else go back?

flyawayblue Tue 29-Apr-14 23:05:53

We have the basis of a routeen felix. DH gets home just before 7, so it's bath and massage about 7 then feed to sleep with A normally asleep 8 / 8:30 in her cot. She then wakes around 3 and sleeps till 6. Though sometimes wakes loads and 4 times has slept though!

We have moved the start time around a few times when needed and to try and work out what works for A.

Naturegirl82 Tue 29-Apr-14 23:07:26

million hope the uber hv is some help

fly I start back in September. Will be weird as a lot has all ready changed at work

felix we started with a bedtime routine last week. We change her into a nighttime nappy and pjs. Then feed and she falls asleep between 6.30 and 7.30 in moses basket downstairs. She usually stirs for a feed about 45 mins later and back into moses basket, then I bring her upstairs to crib when I come to bed. Last few nights she has slept through till 6.30! smile

AMillionNameChangesLater Wed 30-Apr-14 06:25:41

We've had a loose routine for a while. Depending when he woke from a nap, milk is given about 5:30/6ish, he goes to bed 30 mins later with white noise on, he's asleep 30 mins later.

I go back 4 weeks today!

MistletoeBUTNOwine Wed 30-Apr-14 07:32:22

Our routine loosely consists of oilatum bath about 6 pm downstairs for bf, back up when sleepy about 7-7.30 and feed to sleep. Into crib then sleeps anywhere up to 6 hours, bf then back into crib. Usually wakes every 2-3 hours after that for quick bf.
Doesn't nap very well during the day hmm
All that gone to pot last few days as Pip has been spiking temps of 38.5 night and day. GP said no obvious sign of infection but have to go back today as still spiking sad

MerryPops Wed 30-Apr-14 09:16:07

Our routine is feed somewhere between 6 and 7, then bed around 7-7.30 He wakes between 3-4 on average or just before 6 on a really good day.

I go back to work part time next week! I am dreading it as little man is only 13 weeks but hubby is unemployed and just had an operation, and been on SMP for last 6 weeks so no choice really.

AMillionNameChangesLater Wed 30-Apr-14 12:12:27

Good luck today mistle
merry that sounds tough, do you know days/hours yet?

enormouse Wed 30-Apr-14 12:51:36

million I hope the boss hv is helpful.

merry, you are one tough lady. I'm hoping to go back to studying in the next 2/3 weeks or so, so I've only taken off a term roughly.

felix I had a rough routine of 6pm - dinner, 6.45 - bath, 7.15 -fresh pyjamas/story, 7.30 DS1 bed with Cal in bed about half an hour later after a feed. But atm with everyone sick it's gone down the toilet.

enormouse Wed 30-Apr-14 13:09:54

I'm such a numpty, I've managed to doublebook a dentists appointment for me to have a filling put in (1.30pm) and Cals second set of jabs (2.30pm).

I had hoped to take DP with me to hold my hand as dentists make me very anxious (ive come out in a stress induced rash) but he's going to have to take Cal to his jabs and give him an expressed feed afterwards. I know DP is fantastic with the boys but I feel guilty that I should be there.

DP has suggested me having his dad there for support but northern Irish FIL is not the hand holding sort and his brand of depressing pessimism from the corner of the room would not be filling me with cheer. I've already had to hear the tales of X who removed his own teeth with string and a door and Y who died of an infection after getting some backstreet surgery done. Not to mention his many opinions on the nhs.

I guess I'm going to have to woman up and get on with it.

MerryPops Wed 30-Apr-14 13:37:35

million I will be doing Monday-Weds 8:30 to 5. I'm hoping to work 2 days at home but my boss was a bit unsure. Longer term I am going back full time in August and I think I am going to take a role with a bit less responsibility as my job would involve a lot of travel to Bristol, I live in Hull. I hate the fact I will only see bubs for 2 hours a day during the week anyway without overnight stays for work as well.

enormouse your fil doesn't sound like the best of supports! Fingers crossed your appointment goes ok.

enormouse Wed 30-Apr-14 13:47:02

merry I hope you can work something out with your boss. Do you have a long commute?

Re FIL - he's a lovely man, DS1 adores him. He's just a bit eeyore-ish in his general outlook. It might be a northern Irish thing, I went to a drinks party a few weeks post birth of DS1 where the main topic of conversation was 'awful things that have happened to you/someone you know in hospital'.

I'm hoping it'll be fine, my new dentist is a lot nicer (also younger and better looking) than my old one was.

getting how are you and H today?

Oh no enormouse! That does sound crap for you, I too am putting off much needed dental work. Oops. I wouldn't worry too much about Cal though, he sounds from your posts like quite a happy chappie. I know N didn't even notice his jabs the first time round because his Dad was playing with him. Second lot on Monday! I think we need to be there for us more than for them.

I am also chuckling to myself imagining your FIL's special brand of reassurance. Sounds not too far removed from my Welsh relatives' reaction when we suggest going somewhere new or eating any dish that doesn't include pork or chips. grin

Merry you are amazing. It sounds like you and DH have both been having a hard time and he is lucky to have such a strong partner.

Looking at routines it is clear that I am failing parenting 101. I think I should perhaps buy some parenting books after all...maybe MIL was right!

I can't get DD to bed much before 9.30 and even then it takes at least an hour before she goes to sleep. Sometimes it takes until midnight. I also can't bath N when she is around because she either helps or tries to get into the bath on top of him. confused So he usually has his bath early afternoon. N therefore either conks out by himself in his chair after a feed when I am still dealing with DD or has a final feed around 10.30 -11 before being put down in his cot. Roll on egypt and DD having her own room!

Any advice about how to deal with aggressive DHs? He isn't aggressive with me, but he has such a short fuse with DD and I don't think he appreciates that 3 really is still very young. Unless she does what he says immediately he shouts, calls her names and often tries to smack her too. sad. I have tried acknowledging that this is because he feels so stressed atm and because DD doesn't sleep he never has a minute without young children, which he appreciated but hasn't stopped him losing his cool. I also tried explaining the emotional impact on DD, who can already be quite anxious and how it is affecting her confidence. I also told him calmly how unacceptable it is and that unless it changes he can find somewhere else to live when we get back to Egypt which sent him off the deep end. I tried telling him not so calmly the same thing, and added that I would get his parents involved. In Egypt this is a normal way to act towards your child, so there aren't many options for escalation.

DD is also wetting herself again, which is an ongoing saga. She always does a tiny bit of pee in her pants before asking to go to the toilet. I don't get upset but I explain that it isn't good and she should say or go to the toilet before she is desperate but it doesn't help. The only thing that stops her doing this is taking her every two to three hours but she shouts and screams that she doesn't need the toilet and has to be carried kicking and screaming before doing loads of wee. She is pretty good about letting us know about poos. I suspect this is either a control issue or she just doesn't care. She very rarely has accidents at school, but this may be just because they take her to the toilet regularly. I am resigned to just doing a lot of washing but I want this to just become normal for her.

Sorry for the essay, I just am beginning to see what a mess our family life has become.

puggle01 Wed 30-Apr-14 14:45:01

Hey altered its probably not much consolation but we've really no great routine for bedtime. Only concession is night nappy on about 8 (though I forgot last night). Little puggle then spends his evening snoozing/suckling on my lap, sometimes playing a bit. Still dreaming about him sleeping in his own cot/bed/bednest so the concept of going down solo at 7 seems as likely as him playing the piano.
I'm feeling nice and positive today so I'm sure these things sort themselves out - parenting books tend to make YOU more stressed smile

Thanks puggle! I think you are right about state of mind, if I do need to do a parenting workshop or read a book, when I am in this state of mind is not the right time to do it!

Glad you are having a positive day. It is amazing what a difference it makes, when I am on a roll DD is a completely different child. I need to get better at faking it for the off days. smile

Sorry everyone for the massive moans. Clearly displaced anxiety about the move and money. I get into a siege mentality when going back to Egypt as things are more expensive there and a lot of things, such as good childrens' shoes just aren't available. We have hit a wall with money and am trying to prioritise essentials, but how do I choose between clothes and shoes? Or nappies and toothbrushes? Ughh....my tablet has also broken and I want to replace it. I know it isn't an essential but it is my only way of getting online and I don't want to be isolated in Egypt. Can I pass this off as an essential? smile There is a great offer on nexus 7s on groupon just now (32gb wifi for £129.99 or 32gb 4g for £159.99) but I am waiting for them to tell me if the tablets are reconditioned units or not. The massive discount seems suspicious!

anotherbitofcake Wed 30-Apr-14 16:24:21

Odd q does anyone else have a really wriggly baby? Mine cannot sit still argh currently wrestling in a costa he is winning even sleeping he's all over the place!

yy to very wriggly baby.

DD just home from school and she has coloured in her eyelids for the third time this month. Apparently she is putting on her makeup...confused She will not be told that felt tips are not what women use as makeup!

FelixFelix Wed 30-Apr-14 20:02:57

Haha altered that made me laugh! My niece (3) once appeared from another room with glitter eyeliner in her eyebrows and she thought it was the bees knees.

Sylvie has only had two bottles since 7am this morning which is very unusual for her. One at 2ish and one just now. I wonder if she's feeling a bit under the weather from her jabs yesterday, but she's been laughing and smiling all day so I don't know! confused I'm sure I'd know about it if she wasn't happy though so I'll try not to worry. Just got her off to sleep now so going to have a bath myself smile

MerryPops Wed 30-Apr-14 20:22:48

enormouse my commute is around 30 mins so not bad, but I'd rather spend the hour a day talking nonsense with my boy if I can!

altered thanks for your comment, it cheered me up. Dh has always been quite fragile emotionally so I have to be the strong one most of the time, it can be very draining sometimes. I unfortunately have no experience with your situation so can't be much help, but I feel for you, hopefully the move will help with the stress of being on top of each other though. Tablet definitely essential, I'd have gone mad if I couldn't get online!

another wriggler here too! On the nights when we use a blanket rather than sleeping bag you should see the state of it in the morning!

FelixFelix Wed 30-Apr-14 20:29:55

I have a wriggler too! We have the same issue with blankets. I've got sleeping bags for her but she's so warm all the time, she always wakes up really sweaty when I use them, even in the light tog ones. Our bedrooms gets very cold at night too! Strange child. She's started grabbing her blanket all the time now too and I'm scared she will pull it over her face in the night. Really wish I could use the damn sleeping bags!!

Naturegirl82 Wed 30-Apr-14 20:47:23

We have a wriggler here as well.

Felix are you still using the cacoonababy? I just have Olivia in a vest and sleepsuit without any blankets or sleeping bag as the cacoonababy makes them warmer than a mattress so I think they advise not to use anything. She still wakes up sweaty though!

Naturegirl82 Wed 30-Apr-14 20:49:59

altered moan away. It's better to vent than let it bottle up. Your dd's makeup did make me smile

FelixFelix Wed 30-Apr-14 21:11:53

Nature yes I'm still squeezing her in it (although her feet are almost hanging over the end!). Didn't realise they didn't need a blanket with it shock no wonder she's sweaty haha. I get paranoid though as she's right next to the window and the house is only single glazed so it's gets freezing at night.

Naturegirl82 Wed 30-Apr-14 22:04:57

Felix I'm sad and always read the information leaflets that come with things! I was dubious to start with but she never seems cold. We are sleeping with the window open at the moment and she is fine. I think we will have to stop using it soon as she is starting to roll over only when butt naked at the moment though! Haha

AMillionNameChangesLater Thu 01-May-14 08:38:25

I'm a little annoyed with dh. Yesterday morning I got both boys dressed and left to take ds1 to nursery. I got back at 8:45 so he could sleep more on the understanding that he would take both boys today.

He took ages getting ds1 together, and was late so he left Henry with me. Which means so lie in, or time alone. He asked a couple of times if I was annoyed with him and if i wanted he would take Henry. I did the girl thing and went "no, it's fine" it isn't fine. I'm ticked with him.

We need to go shopping as tomorrow we are going to Thomas Land on Friday and we're taking a pack lunch. Glamorous we ain't!

I would be very annoyed too million. I can keep you company today if you like, I am bfing N while supervising DDs impromptu bath. She is a mermaid and so obviously, it was an emergency. DH has gone out walking.

Next time, I would just tell him it isn't fine. You don't need to make it a big deal, but we are all chancers when given the opportunity. smile

Thomas Land sounds vv exciting for your DS1. Has he been before?

nature thanks! Today I am fine again. Sleep is magic!

FelixFelix Thu 01-May-14 10:03:37

Million I'd be annoyed too. I always do the 'it's fine' thing when it's actually not hmm

We had a power cut at 4.30 this morning and still waiting for it to come back on. National grid said they are hoping to fix by 1pm but I am so bored and soooo freezing. DP had to boil pans of water on the hob this morning so he could have a bath grin And my phone battery is going down rapidly! The only thing I have for entertainment is an old Gameboy with a Super Mario cartridge. Fun fun fun!

FelixFelix Thu 01-May-14 10:06:29

Oh and Sylvie has gone really bad at sleeping all of a sudden! Last night she woke up every 2 hours, then every 10 minutes from 4am onwards confused no idea why as she's usually a good sleeper. She started sleeping through from 11pm - 6am for a couple of weeks but now it's slowly going downhill. Anyone got any ideas why? I feel like a zombie today.

AMillionNameChangesLater Thu 01-May-14 10:25:19

altered obviously being a mermaid can't wait. Don't feel bad, you didn't know :D

He's not been before, he's a massive Thomas fan. The tickets came on groupon for 1/2 price. We're going with my in laws, which isn't ideal, but ds1 will love it.

felix is she at a wonder week? Try sleeping/reading if you can. I hope the electric comes on soon, can you visit someone/somewhere warm until it is?

FelixFelix Thu 01-May-14 10:29:37

Million she's 18 weeks so I think she should be due one around now. I have the app on my iPad but I can't charge it! Currently digging out loads of candles to make it seem warmer. Hope you enjoy Thomas land! My DP would love it grin

Felix power cuts are rubbish, especially with a baby. Can you take sylvie out to a cafe or something to pass the time until the power comes on?

Million Sooo exciting then! Never mind the in laws, DS will have a ball. On days like that we never take enough pictures of DD being really really happy.

MrsGSR Thu 01-May-14 10:51:01

Well she slept relativity well last night, 2 hours 45, then 1 hour, then 2. But I didn't get to sleep until 3! I had a flashing light migraine yesterday (luckily DH came home early!) so took some paracetamol and ibuprofen and managed to nap for 2 hours. Woke up at 6.30, so not exactly late but apparently my body decided that was all the sleep I needed for a while angry

MrsGSR Thu 01-May-14 11:01:38

Felix hope you get power back soon!

FelixFelix Thu 01-May-14 14:41:22

We have power! Longest day of my life grin

AMillionNameChangesLater Thu 01-May-14 15:07:27

Yey Felix!
I'm walking around my house with Henry strapped to my chest. He's so tired that even white noise isn't working. So he's tied to me and I'm just walking. It's been a while now. I'm also trying to watch Castle at the same time

MrsGSR Thu 01-May-14 15:13:01

I love Castle. His relationship with his mum and daughter is brilliant, I could watch it for that alone!

enormouse Thu 01-May-14 15:49:03

Castle lovers unite! grin.

Felix great to hear you have power again.

So I womaned up and got my fillings done alone. It wasn't too bad, I think I may actually love my dentist, but am on a soup/rice pudding/porridge type diet. FIL took me there and back and I managed to get home in time for Cals jabs. He was very brave and is now sleeping them off in his pram.

MerryPops Thu 01-May-14 16:42:06

Xander had jabs today too. Unfortunately he has gone down the arsey route rather than tired. Sleeping on me now though.

Trying to think of something exciting to do tomorrow given it's my last day of mat leave but drawing a blank. We've done two parks/nature reserves this week so that's out, bit chilly for the seaside and not enough cash for retail therapy. Hmmmm.

Hi peeps, not been on here for a while.
Baby pumpkin had her jabs today too! and she has wailed on and off for a few hours, although for a while after the actual jabs she was as happy as larry.
She has settled finally, but I have a feeling the upset hasn't ended. Poor sausagesad

Moved her into her seat unit on the oyster, although she is only 16 weeks as she now hates the carrycot with a vengeance as she cannot nose out when out n aboutgrin
She seems contented in the seat, although I have put a lovely big cosytoe and nice shoulder straps in for comfort. The seat says 6 months, which I think is it a bit OTT as not all babies can fit their carrycot by then!

anotherbitofcake Fri 02-May-14 08:12:47

Sorry if this been discussed before but what sleep patterns r yr LOs doing? Mine still wakes 1-2 times and eats so presume hungry though may be more for comfort. Not sure how to try and get him to sleep for longer. Thinking about trying top up with formula early eve plus dream feed around 10. He's ebf but always been fussy so not sure if he's getting enough in day to get him through night. Also struggling with dummy. He loves it but I need to take him off it somehow as he now keeps pulling it out then waking up and crying for it. Zzzz happy Friday all bank hols yey!

AMillionNameChangesLater Fri 02-May-14 08:24:46

Part one in a series of rants about today

PIL are hiring another car so we can all go to Thomas Land together (we are buying everyone's tickets so it works out, we also said they could just take ds1 (I'm not fussed and they are crazily excited about it))

MIL told us they couldn't pick up the car before 8.30, so would be at ours for nine. Dh told them we would do breakfast (why?? They are adults and can feed themselves! If they aren't here until 9, we've already been up for hours and fed ourselves, so this is extra work) and gave them the choice of croissants and jam or bacon and egg muffins. They chose muffins, of course they would. Dh told me that it was good to give them a choice and that I would be making it anyway (rage, but i moved on)

Spoke with MIL a couple of days ago, she confirmed car pick up at 8.30, so I told her i would start cooking breakfast at 9. All fine, she agrees.

This morning, kids are dressed, I'm not, but i will be by 9. Explain this to dh who is bloody shaving at the moment (he just trims his beard) who tells me they can't pick up the car before 9, so they'll be here at 9.30. I explain the above, he says he spoke with MIL yesterday.

This has ticked me. I'm very organised, it's just how things are. So this is frustrating. If I knew it was going to be 30 mins later, i would have dressed the kids later (ds1 attracts dirt, Henry keeps posseting). I'm annoyed about the breakfast thing. I'm also pretty confident dh hasn't told his mom we aren't going for a meal tonight afterwards. I said no because the boys will be tired and it isn't fair to take them to the pub for tea. Much better to eat and home.

So this is part one. Stayed tuned for part two.

enormouse Fri 02-May-14 09:41:35

You would be making it anyway?? That alone would make me seethe and want to thump him million. And totally with you on dressing them at the last possible minute.
Would a takeaway work for tonight?

I'll join you in the pissed off club. So far this morning, I have put a wash on, ran the vacuum round and attended to both boys. Cal is majorly fussy this morning and has been difficult about feeding. DS1 has been difficult and threw a tantrum as he wanted my breakfast and had to be placated with a second small breakfast. All the while DP has sat there ignoring it all on his kindle. I wanted to beat him with the vacuum stick. Even more so when he spent half an hour leisurely looking for his socks

To top it all, my lecturers gotten in touch about coursework, it previously had 'ach sure, don't worry about the deadline. Get it in whenever' attached to it. It's now in for next Thursday with a PowerPoint presentation. She's done this before, so my works all planned out but still a pita.

The house is still chaos, as I've been too ill/busy to do it. And we're in the process of moving rooms so things are not put away properly in prep for going into different rooms. I want to move out and leave the lot of them to stew in their filth.

MrsGSR Fri 02-May-14 09:50:04

million rant away, sounds like a tough day sad , I hope it gets better!

another Leah's sleep is getting better, last night she slept at 8 for an hour, then 2 lots of 2 hours and one of 3. DH took her for a few hours at 5 as she kept stirring. She's started going back to sleep a lot quicker and easier, which is great. It was taking me 2-4 times of putting her back down below she settled, last night it was the first time every time smile

MrsGSR Fri 02-May-14 09:53:54

enormouse I remember your lecturer being crap sad I hope your DH pulls his finger out soon.

million I hope you are on your way to Thomas Land now. Just make sure DH does all the nappy changes/toilet trips/piggy backs/feeding all day, tell him "he would have done it anyway", and waltz off leaving him to carry kids/bags and push the pushchair. grin

I wish I knew what makes DHs adopt the famous fucking five mentality every time an outing is mentioned. Are they worried about predators? Is male DNA actually 99% sheepdog? My DH is foreign and has never heard of Enid Blyton yet he is still afflicted, down to insisting on packed lunches for any trips over 30 mins.

enormouse that sounds really crap too, and I remember your flaky lecturer. My DH has invisible blinkers too, it's crazy. Can you take Cal out on some enjoyable errand and leave him DS1 as a present and a cleaning instructor?

MrsG glad things are getting better.

Mum is coming to visit for the weekend which is very exciting as it will hopefully pull us out of our little can't move for small children bubble. It has also encouraged me to be slightly less manky than usual and clean up the house. DD wants to take her to Disneyland and has had her dress picked out for the occasion since Monday.

N has woken up and is beginning to get fussy. I know this is not allowed on MN and I don't mean to brag, but he is really cute and it is such a relief to have a baby I like as well as love.

BookTart Fri 02-May-14 11:12:56

Aww at your DD and her dress altered, and it is lovely that you feel that way about Nour smile

I'm glad the nights are improving mrsg

million and enormouse give your DPs a kick in the shins from me dragon <<why is there a dragon smilie?

Persephone woke hourly until 2am, and then stayed awake until 5. Every time I got her back to sleep and laid her down she was woken up by her trapped wind within seconds. I had decided to ignore my scepticism and take her to a cranial osteopath (yes, I know it is bollocks) and told DH this morning, who said it is woo and I shouldn't throw my money away on it, but it was already booked (didn't tell him that) so we went this morning. I have no idea what he was doing, but she's asleep now which can only be a good thing. I'll be sneaking back there next week. It'll be amazing if it helps, because I'm utterly desperate now!

FelixFelix Fri 02-May-14 11:32:54

Oh crikey I think we have hit the 4 month sleep regression! Last night DP put her down to sleep at 8pm, and she woke hourly until 3am then literally every 20 minutes from 3-6am. I feel like a zombie! She did the same the night before too. Please tell me it doesn't last too long shock

Sunshineseeker80 Fri 02-May-14 12:49:34

Hello all, I finally got round to figuring out how to reset my password for here , though have been lurking and reading for a while...so much going on!

felix & book I feel your lack of sleep pain... I am hoping we have hit 4 mth regression thing a bit early otherwise this is a pile of poop. Emily has gone from waking up once a night to every 2 hours. Although on the plus side I can usually get her to sleep about 8-8.30 instead of 11pm like before. I know we have been really lucky up to now and those of you whose babies sleep like this 'normally' you are my heroes. I can't get her to feed properly during the day either as there is too much going on so I think she saves it up for night. Zzzzz.

Had BCG injection done this morning, hoping she doesn't get so feverish this time. She screamed before the nurse went anywhere near her. Too smart for her own good this one.

So we emigrate in 12 days! First lot of boxes from the movers arrived today. I am not ready for this. We have a month holiday in the US before going to Australia and I haven't booked any accommodation after the first 4 days. Eeeeeeek

Hope you all enjoy the bank holiday x

FelixFelix Fri 02-May-14 19:16:17

Sunshine I've been struggling to get Sylvie to take her bottle through the day too, and I read its one of the signs of sleep regression so it is possible you've hit it early! I'm the same and have be very lucky that she's usually a good sleeper so totally agree that I am in awe of you guys who have it like this constantly! I would have ran for the hills by now! shock

TarkaTheOtter Sat 03-May-14 01:09:13

Hi to everyone who is up in the night tonight! It's mid afternoon here and Alex and I are sitting by the pool whilst dh and dd swim. It is 30C and I have so far managed not to burn either child. Have just started the road trip part of our holiday and it has coincided with Alex not liking the car seat which is tricky. We've decided to take things slowly and just drive during naps.

altered I had a chat yesterday with dh about him shouting at dd. She is going through the terrible twos and is being really horrible to him. It's classic attention seeking though because she misses him when he works away. He's agreed to not rise to it as much to see if that helps.

felix IME with dd the 4 month sleep regression is a permanent change for the worse - they're harder to settle and sleep associations become more of an issue - but it isn't always as bad as at first.

FelixFelix Sat 03-May-14 06:02:39

Tarka pool and sunshine sounds lovely! Where have you gone? Sorry must have missed that you were going away.

Just been reading about the sleep regression and it can last months sad I think I've taken for granted how good she's been before this! It was every 30 mins through the whole night again last night. I gave up trying to sleep at 4.30 and have been watching telly with a coffee. What's the thing about sleep associations? I read posts where some people have said they have stopped feeding as much and giving a dummy at night but I don't really 'get' what I'm supposed to be doing shock

Angelesque Sat 03-May-14 07:29:24

Hello from a very rainy Tuscany! We're here for a friend's wedding. F was v good on plane and all day at the wedding which was a huge relief so we're feeling very lucky.

Reading your posts about four month sleep regression is filling me with fear!!! Good to see all the signs you're mentioning so we can keep an eye out - F is 12 weeks on Tues!

Hmmm book why is there a dragon emoji?

FelixFelix Sat 03-May-14 07:40:49

Tuscany! How lovely! Glad the journey went well.

Reading up on it, it doesn't happen to all babies so hopefully some of you will avoid it smile

BookTart Sat 03-May-14 08:44:09

Very jealous of tarka and angel! What's everyone else doing for the Bank holiday?

Right, last night was Percy's best night ever, she managed one stretch of 2.5 and one of 3.5 hours (longest ever I think!) She also had 5 hours of naps after we got home from the osteopath. So anecdotally (and probably coincidentally) something good seems to have happened. I still haven't told DH though, as he spent yesterday emailing me articles about how it is all bollocks, so if things carry on this way he'll just think it is a miracle grin.

I've also decided that one of her reflux meds is making her worse, so I've decided to stop the Domperidone. She had awful stomach cramps/wind, and had started to be sick which she hadn't done before. I also read some scary stuff about it being full of salt and having terrifying side effects that I wasn't aware of, which helped make my mind up. If she goes downhill I can always start it again. I'm relieved though as this one was so difficult to get into her!

felix the four month regression was my excuse for not sleep training P properly, as I just knew she'd be one of the ones that went totally to pot. It was the only decent bit of advice my HV ever gave me I think. Fingers crossed we all avoid it!

TobyLerone Sat 03-May-14 10:14:15

Just catching up. Jealous of the holidays!

Re sleep regression, I don't know if it's that or if it was the break in her routine when we went away last weekend, but Meredith hasn't been settling at bedtime as she usually does this week. She'll go down ok, but then wake up crying within an hour and the only thing I can settle her with is another feed. She usually goes down ok after that, though, and wakes once or twice in the night for a feed. She settles fine after feeding.
So if that's our sleep regression (PLEASE!!!) I'll take it grin

altered, good luck with the move!

book, that's amazing. Fingers crossed it continues for you. A few nights like that and you'll feel like a new woman!

We're going to MIL's this morning, and then later on I'm going to try expressing for the first time. Oh, the excitement.

It's DD1's birthday today. She's 13. Scary!

MrsGSR Sat 03-May-14 11:14:22

I'm dreading the 4 month sleep regression, leah's 3.5 months and has only just started regularly sleeping for 2 or more hours. Last night she did one lot of 2.5 and the night before one lot of 3. She had started getting a bit fussier during the day and sometimes pulls off the boob every 10-20 seconds!

I'm also very jealous of those on holiday! Hope you have a great time, and everyone stick at home had a great weekend too! DH is working on Monday, a 24 hour duty. He'll be away Monday morning until Tuesday evening. Last time he was away I went to Devon, but can't really do that for one night! So it'll be mine and baby's first night alone in this house.

MrsGSR Sat 03-May-14 11:14:55

*stuck at home, not stick!

Pidgy Sat 03-May-14 12:37:25

Happy birthday teenageToby!
Hope the teenage years aren't too challenging!

Haven't been on here much as trying to avoid using my phone so much at night and have become a bit obsessed with Pinterest.

Something's happened here with Lara's sleep too. She used to wake 2 or 3 times a night anyway so this is not good! She is sooo difficult to settle and keeps clawing at her face, pulling out the dummy, then crying for it. It can take 90 mins for her to get to sleep for 30 mins Max. Having her in the sling helps but then she can rub her face against me until the dummy falls out and then the crying starts again.
So frustrating. We'd stopped swaddling her but perhaps we need to start again?

book hope the improved sleep continues for you. You've had it so tough.

million why are men so infuriating?!hope breakfast went down ok and you are now having fun.

BookTart Sat 03-May-14 15:58:17

pidgy all naps here today have only been 30 minutes as well. We've also got the face scratching - she looks like she's been attacked by Wolverine! She isn't so bad first thing, but the fussing and pulling off during afternoon feeds is so wearing for both of us. I think the scratching and face hitting might be teething related, as she's gnawing everything in sight and drooling like a champion too.

TobyLerone Sat 03-May-14 16:33:14

Yy to the pulling off the boob/face scratching/tiny naps.

Thanks, pidgy smile
DS will be 15 this year and his teenage years have been a breeze so far. DD1 is an entirely different kettle of fish!

FelixFelix Sat 03-May-14 18:13:52

Happy birthday to your dd Toby!

We have dummy pulling/face scratching too. She wants the dummy but manages to pull it out then cries as it's no longer in her mouth hmm went to a clothes swap thing today which was fab but she just cried hysterically the whole time which is very unusual for her. She usually never cries at all! Ahhhh!!!!

FelixFelix Sat 03-May-14 18:22:03

Just seen a thread for due in January 2015! Seems so strange!

anotherbitofcake Sat 03-May-14 18:23:30

Also yy to mini naps and face scratching/dummy pulling. Am now attempting to wean him off dummy

Gettingthroughthis Sat 03-May-14 19:19:56

Just a quick check in from a hen do in Portugal smile ... Without Henry sad

Naturegirl82 Sat 03-May-14 20:00:26

Ah we have face scratching, and crying here as well. Just had to give O some calpol as she looked like she was in sooo much pain! sad Stupid teeth. She is currently draped over Dh's shoulder asleep finally.

FelixFelix Sat 03-May-14 20:54:40

Another one away on holiday! Hope you're having a fab time Getting, you really deserve it smile

AMillionNameChangesLater Sat 03-May-14 21:24:23

The dragon was for St George's day i think?

Sorry for all struggling with the sleep regression, hopefully it won't last too much longer!

Very jealous of all these holidays!

Thomas Land was great. Ds1 loved it. I could rant about few things, but I'm trying to keep in mind that ds1 adores his grandparents, and they adore him too. Hopefully that'll see me through the next trying time.

I've decided to try reusable nappies. My wonderful aunt is giving me all of her Bambino Mio ones! As she had twins, there's a lot. She's coming over soon and will bring them and hopefully give me a crash course. I have DH on side (finally) to try them. We're still going to use disposables while out/ H is at mil's, as we just had a delivery of loads of them. Anyone else use Bambino Mio?

FelixFelix Sun 04-May-14 08:21:08

Million glad DS enjoyed Thomas Land. Hope it wasn't too stressful for you!

Managed to make it until 9pm before going to bed last night (was falling asleep eating dinner shock) and DP brought Sylvie up at 12ish. She only woke up at 2.30 for a feed then 5.40 but went back to sleep on and off until 8. Very odd that she suddenly slept better last night.

Also she's trying her hardest to roll over but not quite making it as her arm gets stuck underneath her. She was trying to roll in her cocoonababy this morning so I think that will be her last night in it sad I'm gutted as it's so good and I'm worried she won't sleep in the bednest just on the mattress. Also I was hoping she would stay in it a bit longer as we are going up to Scotland for the weekend at the end of May and it's so much easier packing the cocoonababy than the travel cot. Oh well!

MrsGSR Sun 04-May-14 09:37:44

Felix Leah keeps getting