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December 2012: Now they're all 1

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Barbeasty Fri 21-Feb-14 20:11:42

We needed a new thread!

Thanks beasty. Think I might have to go to bed in a minute blush

MrsNutella Fri 21-Feb-14 20:17:12

Thank you beasty!
I've made risotto but DS was rather unimpressed. Although at the moment he is being really picky!

Today I bought him his first proper really expensive shoes. They are so cute! And oh so tiny! It was so funny watchin him walk in them. At first is was like I had strapped weight around his ankles but he wore them in the buggy home and tottered around the flat quite happily in them.

Evening! I'm a bit drunk

Today is day 3 of sleep training! It took 4 minutes, fuck yeah! Last night J slept 7-3 in his cot, then took 1h to go back to sleep and slept until 6:50. I'm sooooo happy after sleeping for no more than 3h per night since last Saturday, it's such a relief.

Hope everyone is doing well.

PurplePidjin Fri 21-Feb-14 20:23:05


FriendofDorothy Fri 21-Feb-14 20:52:28

We need to go buy the boy shoes in the next few weeks. We can't afford to start buying him shoes too!

WLmum Fri 21-Feb-14 20:57:04

Thanks beasty
Excellent news willyou
spotty I was on my way up to bed and was met by dd1 on the stairs saying she can't sleep. She doesn't normally mess about so she's coming in with me for a couple of stories.

PurplePidjin Fri 21-Feb-14 21:01:52

I'm going to have R measured for his 2nd (3rd if you count his unofficial ones I got for a quid from an nct sale so he could romp around the park!) shoes next week shock he's walking nearly all the time and has started saying proper words grin

MrsNutella Fri 21-Feb-14 21:08:32

Yay willyou that's great news!

fod I bought DS a really nice pair of shoes; because 1 I very rarely buy him nice stuff and 2 the PIL gave DH some cash last weekend for shoes for DS. So, I spent it on shoes.

FriendofDorothy Fri 21-Feb-14 22:06:15

MrsNutella what shoes did you get him?

WLmum Sat 22-Feb-14 07:27:23

I got Ts feet measured in Clark's then found the right size from my stash from dd1&2. She's got big feet though so didn't make in to 2 pairs of shoes and 2 pairs of wellies! Dd1 particularly had tiny feet was nearing 2 when she was the size T is at 14 months!

We're going swimming tomorrow but I only have bikinis. Hope I don't see anyone I know blush

Today we're going to sainsburys to get ds a new swimming outfit and might buy us lunch too. Ds went up to dd this morning and was going 'mmmmmaaaaaa' which is his kissing noise!

Out sainsburys cafe is lovely Spotty, enjoy.

I stayed up half the night talking things over with DP (happier than he was, still not sure what he wants hmm) and then DS woke up and I did the other half awake with him. Am dead on my feet but J just tried to make it up to me with a full on French kiss. I managed to dodge the tongue in the mouth but it was close!

MrsNutella Sat 22-Feb-14 10:10:28

fod they are from ricosta. Pepino I think is the shoe name. No idea if they are available in the UK though... Sorry.

Dd wears pepino. Highly recommended by physio. Really supportive (and super cute!).

ISpyPlumPie Sat 22-Feb-14 10:27:36

Thanks for the thread Beasty

2blessed Sat 22-Feb-14 13:52:14

Thanks beasty
Not heard of pepino, have always been a clarks shopper but will check out.
Glad you and dp are trying to work things out willyou

halestone Sat 22-Feb-14 16:30:04

Thanks for the thread Beasty.

We have brought Heidi shoes from Clarks but also we got some for £4.20 in the monsoon sale. They should have been £15. DP also brought her some Adidas trainers yesterday.

Yay to the sleep training going so well.

FriendofDorothy Sat 22-Feb-14 17:05:32

Pepino are lovely. Think I am after some Pediped ones but there was nothing in stock!

WLmum Sat 22-Feb-14 19:53:48

You must be exhausted willyou. I'm glad you're talking about stuff with dp, hope he figures out exactly what he wants soon. Would you/he consider couples counselling?
hales bargain, I love monsoon kids - dds have been given beautiful things from there (not me buying!)
spotty I'm sure you'll look fab. I have got a saggy crepe belly so total one piece for me! We're taking the big 2 swimming tomorrow too. Hoping dd1 does as well as she did last week as it was a joy not the usual death by patience!

Me too WL! I have a baby pouch hmm

He won't do counselling WL. Wouldn't even consider it. I don't think he wants to admit his childhood has fucked him up a bit (to anyone but me).

That's one thing I do have. An okay tummy still, my friend at work made me get it out last week (my top rode up) and was very envy My mum told me it was the second baby that did hers though! Not much danger of that with the way things are looking! I hate my muffin top, I used to be a gym bunny and my sides are a bit bulgy now that I'm not to say the least.

I have stretch marks and two massive lumps from doing injections in my stomach for 14 years hmm

That's a shame WillYou. I hope you manage to sort things, if that's what you want.

Barbeasty Sat 22-Feb-14 20:28:01

Stretch marks and a big overhanging bulge. All from baby 2!

Swimming lessons for both DC, first time in a month, so not sure how it will go.

I went and had week-old baby cuddles with my niece today. A took it pretty well, before stuffing his face with a fairy cake. And then a second. And then we whipped them away as he tried to take a 3rd!

She was such a calm baby We nearly tried to swap and leave one of ours

WLmum Sat 22-Feb-14 20:33:05

I had no crepe or stretch marks until T. It was the third that did it - that and her being 2lbs heavier than dd1&2!!

That's tough willyou. Hope you can deal with things between you.

Nice beasty!

WLmum Sat 22-Feb-14 20:34:27

Was she super soft and gorgeous? I heard a little girl being called by our 2nd choice name the other day. It was a bit weird but sounded nice. I like T better though.

Hello everyone, can I rejoin? I've lurked a lot and posted when F was a few months old.

He's currently teething, three cut through in a week! Not a happy boy sad

Barbeasty Sat 22-Feb-14 22:10:31

A was smaller than DD, so not really fair that I got stretch marks this time!

We went to ikea after seeing the baby. I'm very proud to have come out less than £30 later. only just

WLmum Sat 22-Feb-14 22:39:41

Impressive beasty
Hello coffee!

Hi coffee welcome back. It's so rubbish watching them teeth when you can't do anything for them.

I'm already getting myself worked up. It's Switzerland for me on Monday, I'm doing something I've never had to do before and I have to leave J behind overnight while I go to another country sad and I'm going with a camera man who I've never met before <wail>


halestone Sun 23-Feb-14 00:15:15

I have an overhanging belly but i had that before i was pregnant. In fact me and DP were joking the other day that i could do with having a phantom pregnancy so i could lose 2stone again.

Welcome back Coffee, Poor DS, and you. i hope he gets a braek from the pain soon.

Willyou we're all here to handhold on Monday, but i can see why your upset now. Have you got Skype downloaded on your phone? then you can see him when you get chance.

Stacks Sun 23-Feb-14 08:30:08

Morning. Just back from holiday where DS decided not to sleep. Not had a chance to keep up with mn at all. Getting you all back on my TIO, and I'll try and read back later.

Where have you been stacks? Hope he settles back into his routine quickly now you're back.

Hoping it's such a whirlwind that I don't gave chance to miss him too badly. I have to drop him off at 7am tomorrow, work all day, get the flight at 6pm, then a train so I should arrive at hotel at 11pm (CET). Meeting is 9-1 Tuesday then back on the reverse journey! Back home at about 7/30pm. The plan was to start work at lunchtime so I could have him all morning but I now have a meeting at 9am tomorrow. Going to be a bloody long day.

Barbeasty Sun 23-Feb-14 09:32:10

WillYou fx it all goes well.

Hope little Stacks decides that sleep is a good thing now he's home!

So far this morning DD has hidden the back door keys (not impressed with DH's response when I asked if he knew where they were - just telling me where they usually are!).

And the kettle fused the electrics. So we'll have to get another one, but for this morning it's a case of microwaving jugs of water. Naturally the one I want is on offer but out of stock on John Lewis website, so we'll have to try and fit searching for one between lunch and swimming lessons.

Hope it goes ok WillYou.

We went swimming and they forgot to charge dd but it was only £2.85 per adult anyway so was a fiver for all of us!

MrsNutella Sun 23-Feb-14 14:08:33

spotty that sounds like a bargain

coffee welcome back! Sorry DS teething is so painful.

We went to the zoo today so that DH could play with DS and the goats grin they had a great time.

Stacks Sun 23-Feb-14 14:35:08

We went down to Leicester to visit family. Was an ok trip apart from the lack of sleep. Don't know if T was teething, ill, overwhelmed with new people/place or a combination. The main problem was the house has paper thin walls, so I couldn't leave him cry at all or he'd wake the 3 other adults and 2 kids, as well as me and DH. I went from bf him twice a day at home, to about 7 times a night. By the last night he was waking almost every hour. The air bed we were using squeaked horribly whenever DH or I moved, and was really uncomfortable. Sigh, it's over now!
I went to bed at 8:30 last night, in my lovely (bloody uncomfy mattress but sooo much better) bed last night, fed T at 2:30 and left him cry from 3:30-4, then we were all up at 7. So not a bad night smile

Glad to hear you're talking things over with DP Willyou. It must be quite hard to be stuck in that uncertainty, but at least he's acknowledged a problem and is willing to talk to you about it.

You can buy the Clarks foot measuring thing online for £7. They'll even train you how to use it if you pick it up from a store. Then you can buy cheap shoes off eBay/sales without needing to go in to get measured. Not sure if Clarks sizes are the same as other stores though?

T is napping, so I should probably go do something productive or fun. I hate feeling pressured to use nap time well, but it makes me feel depressed if I feel I've wasted it.

WLmum Sun 23-Feb-14 15:09:49

willyou I used to have a job where I travelled when dd1 was about this age. It was fine really but I did hate being away so never slept in the lovely hotels so my main problem was exhaustion.
beasty I've been meaning to ask how mil got on with A and the sleepover? Am I right that A doesn't each much and mainly wants boob? I'm starting to wonder when it will become a problem that T eats very little and is quite fussy and would only have boob given her way. I've weighed her on our scales and I think she's still pretty beefy but I'm going to try take her to the hv clinic on Tuesday. I suspect they'll wind me up a treat when I mention it to them!

WL my niece is still like that and is three. She's chunky though even though she barely eats.

Barbeasty Sun 23-Feb-14 16:38:03

Neither he nor MIL got much sleep, and at one point he was pawing at her nighty. But he survived, and ate a bit.

DH has started trying to feed him on his own, in the kitchen. But it seems to involve lots of cereal and ketchup (not together!)

He's wolfing down baked beans. But I worry we're steadily developing a really fussy eater.

There are at least 4 teeth part way through though, so I don't know how much is that at the moment.

ISpyPlumPie Sun 23-Feb-14 18:38:08

Good luck for tomorrow Willyou. Hope everything goes well.

Glad you had a nice time seeing family Stacks. Will keep fx that T settles back down now you're home.

Sounds like teeth could be at least partly responsible Beasty. Four at once can't be much fun.

Sounds like a lovely day Nutella. We had an animal themed day as well as we took the boys to the safari park. N had lots of fun practising his lion roar while looking at real lions. Had a complete "you know you're a mum when" moment though as a baboon pulled the washers off my car, and I was more worried that the poor thing would choke on them rather than thinking about the damage grin.

Oh, and AF has finally but randomly decided to put in an appearance. Didn't think N had particularly reduced his feeding, and he certainly hasn't at night which is what I thought made the difference. I suppose it is just one of those things that there's not much rhyme or reason to.

Barbeasty Sun 23-Feb-14 20:54:27

Dh is betting A will sleep through tonight, after he's fed A 6 (or 7, he can't remember hmm ) bowls of cereal.

He has Ecco shoes for his first pair. Very nice, and he keeps them on which is the main thing.

I really hope it is the teeth. Then we can work on it later.

And he's still so small!

WLmum Sun 23-Feb-14 21:31:14

beasty T has had a go at getting dms boobs out before now. It's comical but gross! She voluntarily ate some softened apple cubes this arvo, it was a miracle! Mostly I feed her by stealth! Im trying really hard not to get in a tizz about it and just wait for it to sort itself out as I truly that at this age it's a battle you can't win. She started weaning fine but whenever she's been poorly or teething or tired or distracted she doesn't want to eat.
ispy we're well overdue a trip to the zoo. Boo to AF.

WLmum Sun 23-Feb-14 21:34:10

Cereal overload beasty! Hey did you hear about the job?

Barbeasty Sun 23-Feb-14 21:40:06

They said about 2 weeks which is very fast for our company so maybe this week.

I'm not hopeful, but we'll see.

halestone Sun 23-Feb-14 22:49:54

WL, H is chunky too, and i wouldn't describe H as a fussy eater, she just doesn't eat much of anything. Rarely she'll finish a meal but its rare. While shes been ill she hasn't eaten at all really but she surprised us all by demanding to eat my chow mein when i finished work last night. I couldn't get it in her quick enough.

Beasty, good luck i hope you get the job. Also i hope your DH is right and A sleeps through.

Stacks, i hope T lets you sleep better now your home.

Ispy boo to your AF returning. I was glad of mine as it meant i could stop panicking that i may be pregnant.

Willyou, i hope your trip goes quickly.

Spotty that sounds like a bargain.

Nutella, We've decided to take H to the zoo again on my 30th birthday, that way my family can't overcrowd me on the day. I can't wait, its only in April though.

We spent my 30th at the zoo Hales, it was last July and for the first time EVER it was hot and sunny not raining shockgrin

Ds has been up since 4:30 shock luckily dp got up with him. He's had two bowls of cereal and is now onto a bread stick. Growth spurt maybe?

I've decided I'm just going to go into work at my usual time tomorrow and sit twiddling my thumbs grin I will do some prescriptions if there's any there to do.

WLmum Mon 24-Feb-14 07:20:47

Ouch spotty. Good for you, not your problem if they haven't matched your hours to work flow.
I'm off to work (on my bike - hoorah) shortly for a whole team training day that my boss is totally against. It's comical and ridiculous and frustrating!
Tmi warning - discovered last night that dd1 has threadworm again. Yuk and annoyance as means loads of extra washing. Luckily one pill each and extra hygiene for 2 weeks and will be all clear. Gave dd1 a pill last night need to buy some for everyone else today as a precaution (except T as not for under 2s - extreme nappy watch it is then!)

Oh no WL! I'm dreading worms. I did consider if that was what's making dd's bottom so sore but I middle of the night check with a torch didn't show anything?

Maryland2013 Mon 24-Feb-14 07:59:41

How do they get worms?!

MaMaPo Mon 24-Feb-14 08:00:47

Hello all! I have been missing for ages but thought id pop in

Sorry to hear of badly eating babies. At C's 12 month review the maternity nurse gave us a really good pamphlet on toddler eating. It basically says that the parents and the child have 2 distinct roles at mealtime. Parent decides when mealtime occurs and what will be served. Child decides whether to eat and how much to eat.

Thinking like this has helped, as C is hugely variable in her likes and appetite. But as long as I'm offering 3 meals a day plus snacks, then I try not to worry or stress if she doesn't eat much.

Got dd a drs appt not until 4:30 though so I've got to make the time up at work. I don't have time to make the time up hmm

2blessed Mon 24-Feb-14 09:58:22

Poor dd wl, I'm dreading worms.
Gorgeous day today ladies, definitely cheered me up after a couple of stressful weeks.
ds is quite a good eater, his favourite being pasta. He went through a phase about a month ago of refusing to eat using a spoon or knife but seems to be over that now.

halestone Mon 24-Feb-14 10:24:24

I hope no one else gets worms WL.

Spotty, i hope DD's appointment goes well.

Mama nice to hear everything is ok with you. I was wondering about you and Utopian last night.

2blessed we find H eats better if she is using the same cutlery we use. She doesn't like using her hands i think she doesn't like the mess.

Welcome back mama and coffee smile

Mama is c walking yet? Ds isn't still.

Maryland2013 Mon 24-Feb-14 19:29:45

Spotty are you employed by an NHS organisation? If so, you should be able to apply for carers leave- the org should have a "special leave policy".

No I'm employed by the partners I think different rules apply. I see their point but if I'd just called in sick I'd have got full pay!

We got some creams, the dr is lovely. Dd cried when I put the cream on sad

WLmum Mon 24-Feb-14 20:18:06

The whole worms thing is totally gross but more common than headlice! It's estimated that 40./. Of school age kids will have them at any one time. Basically the eggs could be anywhere - they occur in soil, but in little people they are spread as <stop reading now if you are eating!> the worms come out of a child's bum at night to lay eggs, the eggs are sticky which makes the bum really itchy. Child scratches and gets eggs on hands/under nails, puts fingers in mouth and eggs are swallowed, then hatch in the gut and crawl out of the bum etc! So, because kids are gross and don't wash their hands properly, eggs get onto surfaces and towels etc at schools etc and are picked up by other children. As they are so easily spread, you have to treat the whole family. Dd1 seems to be prone to them (thumb sucker) but I've never found them on anyone else at nightly bum inspections! They can give kids tummy aches, disturbed sleep, nightmares and general irritability! We've never had headlice though.

WLmum Mon 24-Feb-14 20:20:41

What was up with dd spotty?
Hello mama!
'Twas a glorious morning here - rode to work along the towpath in the sunshine, heard a woodpecker, saw the swans pairing up. Lovely. Ride home was a bit gloomy but I bloody love my bike! Shame I don't get on it much.

Dr thinks it's an impetigo type infection (on her bottom front and back) it's so so sore and she cried when I put the cream on sad

Hello everyone, thanks for the welcome back smile

So many poorly babies! We we're at the doctors this morning as F has a horrid cough and cold but it's viral so nothing to do but wait til he's better.

Re fussy eaters, my boy is a carb junkie! He loves crackers, toast, pasta, biscuits, potato. I worry it's not a very balanced diet. Tonight I gave him chopped up cheese, grapes and crackers. He are the crackers and threw everything else on the floor...

WLmum Mon 24-Feb-14 21:34:42

Poor thing spotty. Hope it feels better soon. Dd1 had recurring impetigo last year but luckily it wasn't sore.

PurplePidjin Mon 24-Feb-14 21:55:21

Weird, I was still am a nail biter, but never had worms? Kids are gross

WLmum Mon 24-Feb-14 22:30:24

I think some kids are just prone to them like some are prone to headlice. I was absolutely beside myself the first time but they're so common I'm kind of over it. We can't (and shouldn't) live in a sterile environment so they will pick stuff up. pidj there's so much grossness to come your way yet!

WLmum Mon 24-Feb-14 22:34:34

I do have to be a bit careful though as I can have OCD germ/handwashing craziness. At work I wash my hands at every possible opportunity and use handgel in between - lots of contact with the public who I don't trust to wash their hands, and always wear gloves on public transport - have you seen how many people sneeze then hold the rails??!! I can get a bit carried away and have to remind myself that germs are good - even worms have a role in developing gut immunity apparently.

WLmum Mon 24-Feb-14 22:35:13

spotty how do you fare with all the sick people?

ISpyPlumPie Mon 24-Feb-14 23:08:11

Welcome back Coffee and Mama

Hope DD is better soon Spotty.

Also hope the worms go away soon WL. We've managed to avoid them so far, but sounds like they're fairly inevitable at some point so thanks for the tips. Totally agree that it can be hard to get the balance right between sensible hygiene practices and being over cautious.

I'm dreading worms!

I spend most of my time on the third floor away from the patients grin when I'm on reception there's hand gel etc and I did immediately wash my hands when I gave out a prescription for worms....

Flumpy2012 Tue 25-Feb-14 06:00:51

Hello all, I was on here age's ago. I wanted to pop back and say hello. It always moves too fast for me to keep up!

I hope you and all the babies are well smile

DD is great, just started walking on her own but very unsteady still.

No sleepless nights to report at the moment, so sending support to all those who do!

I'm awake because I'm full of something viral - yuck! DD doesn't seem to catch things, it's me that gets them!!

Is anyone pregnant again yet? One of our NCT girls is due is sept.

Spotty - I hope your DD feels better soon, poor both of you!! xx

MrsNutella Tue 25-Feb-14 09:08:00

Hi flumpy I think we have four pregnancies amongst the group. Two sometime in May and two July/August. I'm one of those due at the start of Augustsmile.

wl how odd that worms are more common than headlice! I remember having nits once or twice but I don't remember ever having worms. We lived in a village, in a farming area with a virtual zoo of pets. Interesting and gross. Thank you for the info though! Forewarned is forearmed.

DS has slept through properly the last two nights. He has spent the whole night in his bed and yesterday we actually had to wake him to get him up to go to the childminders. Awesomeness! He wakes at about 6:45 and moans a little bit - I know he wants to come into our bed for cuddles - but goes back off to sleep in less than five minutes.

I think I've managed to sort the climbing for now. I've re-positioned the coffee table so he has much less accessible radiator and window ledge to manoeuvre into. He got the rage about it at first yesterday but he got over it fairly quickly.

<shudders at images of worms>

DS tries to kiss us now, except he is one massive snot bag at the moment so it's not pleasant, especially as he often licks us rather than kisses....

Hello flumpy smile

WLmum Tue 25-Feb-14 10:30:32

nutella I think it's because head lice are easier to see and people are more open about them. Primary school teacher friends say there's always a couple of kids wriggling on the carpet!

halestone Tue 25-Feb-14 10:42:39

I remember having worms as a child but don't think i ever had headlice.

Hi Flumpy.

My nan and grandad have taken H for a few hours i should clean but instead i'm sat on the couch, contemplating having a nap bad use of my time but oh so tempting.

WLmum Tue 25-Feb-14 11:06:28

Nap all the way hales!

MrsNutella Tue 25-Feb-14 12:35:46

hales I'm tempted to go for a nap myself.
I've been ringing a few midwives (here you get to pick one to help support you through pregnancy and after the birth - although I don't really understand what for exactly...) but they are either booked up already or are on holiday.
I'm getting rather bored of making phonecalls in German hmm

MrsNutella Tue 25-Feb-14 12:36:43

And I'm worried I'm going to ring one that I've already tried... That or I'll just never find one woe is me

Barbeasty Tue 25-Feb-14 13:00:36

Is your last one not available Nutella? Or could she recommend someone?

MrsNutella Tue 25-Feb-14 13:06:57

Beasty I didn't like her confused I think that isn't helping me search this time around.
Sorry, I'm in a bit of a moany mood about it now.

halestone Tue 25-Feb-14 14:08:22

Nutella you'll find one she'll appear just as your giving up and will be perfect.

I didn't have a nap, i went through all of H's clothes and threw out what didn't fit her and rearranged what was left so it was neat. Then i've cleaned the bedrooms and got dinner prepared so i can just put it on later. I think i'm going to sew now i can't wait haha.

Stacks Tue 25-Feb-14 18:36:35

Sorry to hear there are still so many poorly babies. It's awful when they're ill, though luckily we've had very little wrong with DS so far. Just a couple of coughs/colds and teething.

Yuk to worms! I don't remember ever having them, or my siblings having them. I'm sure they're just part of life though really. I'd never heard of hand foot and mouth till having DS either. Apparently that's really common too.

Managed quite a good day with DS today. Not sure who was asking about moany babies the other day, but DS spends most of his day complaining about something or other. However, I managed to make quiche today from scratch, including the pastry. DS got a bit fed up, but I stuck him in his high chair with a pile of flour... Once he was bored with that I added some water. He was still fed up before the pastry was done, but much better than normal! We also went to the library for story time (though DS just had fun pulling all the books off the shelves) and home for some colouring in. DS was very proud of himself for getting the lids on and off the pens, but we had to stop after he sucked the green pen nib white... Oops.

He's sleeping much better being home, I think I'll think twice before going away again. I'd love a break somewhere warm and relaxing, but there's no way I'm going through a week of no sleep like that again. Especially in a situation I can't let him cry at all, my breasts were so sore by the end of the week - we went from 2 feeds in 24hrs up to about 10!

Lovely to see old posters popping back in. It's nice to know how everyone is getting on. Hope you can stick around.

Stacks you may find that the heat would make him sleep. J slept 3h per day and 12 at night when we were in Majorca. Good times!

I'm home, I'm knackered, I'm starving and I'm covered in baby vomit! CC out if the window for today after J cried himself sick. Think it's cos I walked through door just before he went to bed.

WLmum Tue 25-Feb-14 19:58:17

That would do it willyou! Cuddles and an early night for you.

WLmum Tue 25-Feb-14 22:45:22

I went to a curriculum evening tonight at dd1s school to hear about how they are changing the way they teach to try to improve the schools rating from 'needs improvement' to 'good'. Out of approx 250 pupils, 40 parents turned up. Is it just me or is that really crap?!

MaMaPo Wed 26-Feb-14 05:36:03

waves to everyone

Spotty, nope, C isn't walking yet. She is standing alone more frequently and confidently now but she isn't really that interested in practicing walking (e.g. holding my hands). She can manage at most 1-2 very wobbly steps but I wouldn't call it walking. She cruises for ages though.

Ew worms. Going to pretend they don't exist.

We have kissing in the house here now too. C never 'got' kissing until I demonstrated on a doll, and now she will go 'mmmmm' and kind of bash into the doll's face with her own. She sometime kisses me and my husband but she hasn't quite generalised the idea yet. Super cute though.

4 day week for me this week. I had to do an extra day today at a different site, and because my husband and C were over at the ILs this afternoon I came home to work. And now I am itching for them to come home! I miss my family when I'm here alone -I'm just never here alone!

My husband is still looking for work - I walked straight into my old job on my return from the UK, but his industry is way harder. I am crossing fingers something comes up soon as it is hard on the pocketbook, but much much harder on my husband's mental health. Cross fingers for us, please.

hales, I hope you napped!!

WL, that does sound crap. Surely the school needs the interest and input of parents!?

That is rubbish WL are you happy with the school?

Mama ds can stand until he realises he's doing it (a few seconds) and has just started happily walking holding one hand. If we let go he will do a couple of steps to the sofa but that's it.

Oh no stacks, we're going to Greece in June I'm hoping both dc will continue to sleep ok. We went to menorca when dd was almost two for two weeks and she was ok so fingers crossed.

Ds just stood on his own for a few seconds and took three steps grin dd didn't walk until 22 months so I'm really happy

Stacks Wed 26-Feb-14 14:56:51

Well done DS spotty!!

How many naps do your babies toddlers take now? DS is still on 2, but it's taken me over 40 mins to get him to sleep for them both today, instead of the normal 10-20. Wondering if it's a sign I should try one nap. That said, I love getting two!

DS has been on 1 since 11 months. He goes down much better at both naptime and bedtime now!

Yay well done F!

Ds still usually has two lasting 1-2 hours each

PurplePidjin Wed 26-Feb-14 17:09:37

r sleeps 11'30-12:30 sometimes longer

he sleeps 6-7:30 most nights with 1 wake for nappy

MrsNutella Wed 26-Feb-14 18:43:08

stacks with DS it seems to depend on what day of the week it is. Some days he will manage two naps (sometimes they are each an hour, sometimes the morning one is shorted and the afternoon one longer). Other days he will sleep for 1.5 hours straight after lunch.
Because of the childminder I try and stick to one longer nap but if we are out it isn't unusual for his to droop around 10:30 ish in the morning.

spotty yay! Well done F! You'll be cursing when he starts climbing though grinwink

DS is still obsessed with climbing on everything. But at least I know that he can safely get down from things like the sofa and the bed.
And he did manage to get down from the windowsill. He climbed along the table which blocks the windowsill to get to a dummy and then climbed down from the table... Not perfect but only about 5 weeks until moving day!!

I am full of cold. Thank goodness DH was home, I got him to watch DS for an hour while I rested in bed. I wish I wasn't pregnant! I want decent drugs!!

Oh ds' been climbing for months, up on the sofa, on dd's table and chairs, stand on his bounce 'n' spin zebra etc etc luckily he can get down from them all safely. He can also now get down the stairs safely having been climbing up them for months.

He did a total of 11 steps smile

I made cookies today just waiting for dd to go to bed so I can eat another one

Stacks Wed 26-Feb-14 19:19:40

Ooh, I wonder if I have the ingredients for cookies in the house...

DS has been walking for a couple of months, but isn't that interested in climbing. He's tried out a few things, like a particular cupboard at play group. For the most part though he still needs help to get on the sofa, and hasn't tried climbing anything else in the house. Yet.
He did fall down the bottom couple of steps today. Our stairs are such that the stair gate has to go on the 3rd step. It's the first time he's fallen down after months of being able to get up and down them safely. He cried loads - then I realised it was mostly because I'd picked him up for a cuddle but not given him back the iPad! All tears stopped quickly once he iPad was returned. He just loves making Siri beep.

Nuttella I hope you feel better soon. You can take some paracetamol right? Or are you after stronger drugs?

Spotty, DS seemed to get better at walking quite slowly. He did just a few steps for a couple of weeks, then one day woke up and walked about really confidently.

Oh Nutella I missed that you were ill sadI always find paracetamol perks me up.

I'm wondering if ds might do it fairly quickly as he'd barely stood on his own for a couple of seconds yesterday (by letting go of something) now he can stand in the middle of the floor until he decides to either sit down or toddle off to the sofa. We'll see though he loves waking outside holding my hand

halestone Wed 26-Feb-14 19:48:27

Well Done F flowers

Stacks H has been down to 1 nap a day for a couple of months as well although occasionally she'll have 2 naps i love those days

Nutella, i hope you feel better soon flowers

I took H back to the GP today as she finished her antibiotics on Monday but is still rubbing her ears and her temperature is still swopping from high to normal. Plus her chest sounds really rattly but only sometimes. He said theres still sign of infection in her ears but he thinks its almost gone so he's going to leave it. But he said he could hear her chest without a stethoscope and asked if their was a family history of Asthma. DP has it as do my sisters so he's treating her with salbutamol and seeing if that helps.

Oh no hales poor h. I'm lucky that there's no asthma on either side but I know it can be very serious

Stacks Wed 26-Feb-14 21:34:36

Hales, sorry to hear H might have asthma. All 6 of us kids had it as children - two of my brothers were in and out of hospital loads as young babies - but, we all grew out of it by teenage or adulthood. I was the last to suffer, but not had any problems in the last 10 years now. There's a good chance H will grow out of it too, most of my brothers were symptom free by primary school, only suffering when ill.

Spotty - I made chocolate cookies! Thanks for the inspiration smile Best bit is DH is out, so he doesn't know I made 19 and have already eaten 4 ;)

grin You're welcome! I made oat and raisin (one of my five a day wink)

halestone Wed 26-Feb-14 22:04:25

Stacks and Spotty, throw some cookies my way. I LOVE home made cookies.

We won't find out if H has Asthma until shes alot older. I don't think their allowed to diagnose it as it is something you can grow out of and if its down in your medical record it can stop you doing certain jobs when your older. I think the salbutamol is just to help her short term IYSWIM. I am however positive that she will be diagnosed with it when shes older shes got the same skin as her dad (mild Excema) so i think shes going to follow in his footsteps.

Stacks Wed 26-Feb-14 22:09:24

I made chocolate raisin. The recipie was for chocolate chip cookies, but I didn't have any chocolate chips so just improvised. Lots of cocoa powder and some raisins. They're all yummy and warm and gooey.

WLmum Wed 26-Feb-14 22:24:01

Oat and raisin are my fave spotty! I've been on a fast day and somehow have managed to ignore the jar of nutella I bought yesterday with the expressed intention of eating with a spoon
Jealous of upcoming hols too. Congrats on the standing/walking. Our little babies are little toddlers now.
nutella take regular paracetamol and get as much rest (haha) as you can. I know its crappy when you can't take the good stuff.
hales sorry H is still poorly. I had mild asthma as a child but totally grew out of it by secondary school. Dd2 has it and has been hospitalised twice which was scary but now has the brown steroid inhaler twice a day and has not had any problems for the last year - touch wood. I was scared of giving her the steroid daily but dr was fab and totally reassuring.

No, I'm not particularly happy with the school - dd1 has been on the waitlist for a better school for 3 years! The previous head was awful and there was zero parental engagement. To be fair, the new head (as of sept) is trying to involve parents and to improve the school - I felt very sorry for her and the class teachers yesterday. Rather tellingly, the other local schools which are much better have really strong parental involvement - exactly as you say mama

T does lovely kisses and can now say 'bye'. Very sweetly earlier dd1 was upset and I told T to give her a cuddle and she went and sat on her lap and cuddled her. Dd1 loved it, dd2 instantly wanted the same. Oh to be the object of such affection!

WLmum Wed 26-Feb-14 22:28:41

hales under 5 they are reluctant to use the label asthma and so often refer to 'viral wheeze'. Dd2 is 3 and has been diagnosed - like H she also gets ezcema (as did I as a child). She had salbutamol after her hospital admissions but when she started needing it every day they gave her the steroid.
Is her cot propped up at the head end?

halestone Wed 26-Feb-14 23:32:06

WL, does that help with the wheeziness? TBH i hadn't really thought of it, i know to do it when shes got a cold but as her wheezing is on and off it didn't enter my head to lift the cot. Thanks for the tip though i shall get it sorted tomorrow.

ddas Thu 27-Feb-14 05:52:03

Dd driving us nuts. Waking every night and refusing to go back to sleep. Tried everything. Exhausted and can't function properly at work- just not safe & we need to sort it but run out of options.

Oh no ddas how often is she waking?

WL hopefully the new head will sort it out.

Ds kisses loads 'mmmmmaaaaaa' he follows dp around when he's about to leave for work saying it over and over and always climbs onto dd to give her cuddles, it's lovely until he starts pulling her hair!

Stacks Thu 27-Feb-14 13:57:12

I'm home alone with a box of homemade cookies and DS in bed... Mmmm.

Ddas, how often is she waking and when? What have you tried so far? CC was magic for us, but I think we were very lucky it worked so well and quickly. Haven't had to 'retrain' him at all either which is nice.

DS kisses, but he just sort of leans into your cheek with his mouth open, and sticks his tongue out at the last second smile No noises, and he doesn't really do it on his own, just when asked. I think his habit of sucking my nose is a bit like a kiss, but I've no idea where he learnt it - we don't suck his nose, or any one else's!

Stacks Thu 27-Feb-14 13:59:04

Ddas, have you tried taking her to the GP for a checkup? A doctor friend of mine managed to miss double ear infections in her DS... Once he had treatment his sleep improved loads. They can be very easy to miss, even for those in the know.

MrsNutella Thu 27-Feb-14 15:30:03

Sorry dd is keeping you up ddas. Hopefully it is something easily treatable or you find a solution quickly. Is she waking often? How long is she awake? Is it teeth, walking, talking ummmmm I don't know what else. I have friends who had two bad weeks when their LOs started walking. Luckily for us it was only 6/7 nights.

* whinge alert * it's not fair!!
DH had this cold last week and it floored him. He spent two days in bed and took all the pills he wanted. I have the cold, I have DS to look after and I'm pregnant. Paracetamol doesn't really feel like it is doing anything for me. My poor brain is full of goo and I just want to lay down. confusedsad
I hate being ill. I feel perhaps a tiny bit better today but I still generally feel crap. Poor DS. I'm being a very boring crappy mummy today.
Please send cake & sympathy to Nutella, Grey town, Germany.

halestone Thu 27-Feb-14 15:49:44

Oh no Ddas, i hope a solution can be found quickly for you. Like the others have said what have you tried maybe we can think of something different as a group.

Nutella heres some cake hope you feel better soon.

I'm considering getting the dc the chicken pox vaccine. It's quite pricey though. Wonder if they'd do it at cuts for me at work grin

*at cost not cuts hmm

Hi ddas, my HV recommended 'Teach your Child to Sleep' book by millpond. Maybe your library have a copy? The book has ideas for all different types if sleep scenarios apparently.

I meant to get a copy but then F decided to sort his sleep out himself for now

Maryland2013 Thu 27-Feb-14 18:46:22

Hales they don't diagnose asthma yet because they can't test lung function (capacity?) with the blower thing cos kids/babies don't understand the assessment process so if there's history of asthma/ eczema they treat as though they do have it. DS has an inhaler from a previous terrible cough but it didn't make any difference I don't think.
The best thing for DS when he has a cough is a wet towel/ muslin on the radiator at night which stops the air from drying out.

DS has just one nap now- since he went to nursery. He sleeps 1.5-2.5 hrs after his lunch.

He also gives kisses on command. He just opens his mouth and lunges at us but it's very very cute smile

I'm so jealous of all the cookies. I think I need to learn how to bake!!!

MrsNutella Thu 27-Feb-14 18:48:55

Spotty I just remembered you asked about the cough medicines I gave DS. It isn't really medicine, more of a syrup with herbs in that is crazy sticky and smells a bit funky but I think it soothes a bit.

MrsNutella Thu 27-Feb-14 18:54:08

Maryland cookies are so easy! My favourite recipe at the moment is the hummingbird bakery chocolate chip cookie recipe - it works every time and you can use whatever chocolate you like - I usually cook half ish of the dough it makes. Leave the rest of the dough in the fridge for an hour or two (makes the next bit easier), roll it into a big fat sausage, wrap it in cling film and stick it in the freezer. Then when I fancy cookies take dough out of oven, turn on oven, slice dough about a finger thick, place slices on baking tray bung in oven....

I have to go now get some dough out of the freezersmile

spotty don't eat too many oatmeal cookies at once... I found it not helpful for errrr... Bowel movements shockgrin

These are the hummingbird oat and raisin ones smile it's supposed to make twenty but I do twelve giant ones grin

MrsNutella Thu 27-Feb-14 19:19:36

Blimey spotty they must be huge!! Have you ever attempted the mega chocolate chocolate ones? I made them once they were amazing! But honestly, I could only eat a half (ok a whole one at a push).... I might need to make more of them soon grin

They are the size of the ones you buy in the supermarket bakery. Yes I've made them twice they're a little bit too much for me I think!

ddas Thu 27-Feb-14 20:50:49

* nutella* cakes and tea to grey town in Germany smile

She's been walking for quite a few months now but is starting to say more words so could be a developmental thing but to be honest think she's just a rubbish sleeper as I apparently was and still am. She's never been a great sleeper but we're just getting to end of tether now. stacks she's just had 2 ear infections & chickenpox-last day of ab tomorrow and when's she's ill she actually sleeps weirdly enough! It's normally the first sign that's something's wrong if she sleeps through lol. But now that she's better she's back to her old tricks. I've heard someone else mention milpond- will look it up. Straight cc doesn't seem to work on her as she's so stubborn & determined she'll happily cry for hours till you finally give in. The things we're going to try at the moment which seem like a good start are :
1. Not letting her fall asleep on me. Putting her in her cot when she's drowsy but awake.
2. Not getting her out of her cot at night unless needs nappy change etc. try and settle her by being there, patting etched but feel that as soon as we get her out she knows that's game over and she's won for the night!
She tends to wake between 3-4am and then not want to go back to sleep.
Open to all suggestions! Just want a good night sleep to be able to function. Worked this wkend and think I'm just feeling a bit down through tiredness.

ddas Thu 27-Feb-14 20:52:02

* spotty * all this cookie talk is making me crave the soft American style cookies they have at Sainsburys

ddas Thu 27-Feb-14 20:54:43

And cringing at my awful grammar but I'm too tired to make sense at the moment! You can see why I don't feel safe at work if I can't even string a proper sentence together!

MrsNutella Thu 27-Feb-14 21:12:07

ddas that does sound really hard. Although similar to DS. I think he hates sleeping on his own and would quite happily be in bed between us. I found slowly slowly softly softly approach good.
It started accidentally with me putting him down when he was really sleepy but not asleep and then finding a way to settle him.
Then when he woke in the night laying him back down and comforting him and not picking him up (yes he still frequently ended up in our bed, but sometimes you have to do whatever gets you the most sleep).
Then recently we bought him a thicker sleeping bag 3.5 tog - I was terrified he would cook but it has so far <touch wood> helped dramatically.
And instead of going to him in the night when he moans we ignore him. I know that sounds really harsh but actually he falls back asleep within five minutes and it isn't crying he is just calling us and being annoyed that we aren't there.
That's probably taken around 6 weeks in total but in that time the improvement has been consistent and we have had many good nights.

Thank you for the cake smile

WLmum Thu 27-Feb-14 21:14:15

Bet I could eat them! Have managed most of a jar of nutella today! Fat pig I know but I was up 4 times last night and then up for good at 6. Just had an epic bedtime after T fell off the toilet (she's obsessed with climbing on it) and gave herself a massive fat lip. She had then hidden dd1s special toy so I had to hunt around before she would go to bed. Wine (not a very nice one though) and pizza for me now.
ddas really hope you find an answer - sleep deprivation is tortuous - I'm sure dd1s terrible sleep was a factor in my leaving a previous job - it was a full on stressful job and she would wake for 2 hours a night every night. Looking back I should have just done some proper cc (although I'm not saying this is the case for you). I ended up doing it later and it sorted it right out.
nutella you poor thing. Could DH take a day off and take ds to his parents, or could the cm have him for an extra day so you can just spend the whole day resting? If not, send DH out with ds at the first possible opportunity even if you feel better.

Barbeasty Thu 27-Feb-14 21:25:49

Ooh, might have to swing by Sainsbury's tomorrow for some cookies.

I wish I could give some advice ddas but A has yet to sleep through.

For coughing vicks on the radiator works well. We tried the mumsnet cure of putting it on DD's feet, but she hated it. Just remember it's on the radiator though....

A doesn't kiss, he sticks his face in my cleavage and wiggles it wiping his nose then laughs.

Stacks Thu 27-Feb-14 22:26:19

ddas I've also found the total ignoring of crying during the night to work much better than going in and trying to settle them. It does sound and feel mean, but worked much better for us. If we went in he just got angry that we didn't pick him up and normally ended up crying much more and for far longer. Second night back from holiday I left him cry, took 40m (which is the longest he's ever cried during the night when left) however he didn't wake at all the next night, or any night since.

It's hard though, as so much of this is dependant on the personality of the particular child. I really hope you find some sort of solution that works soon. In the mean time is there any way you and DH could take it in turns to sleep? One night on, one off? Might help you catch up a bit on some sleep, if there's somewhere you can sleep and not hear the goings on.

halestone Thu 27-Feb-14 23:35:53

Ddas we get H to sleep by rocking her until shes asleep then putting her in her cot when she's fully gone. But then when she wakes up she usually ends up in my bed. I am considering buying one of those teddy bears where you can record your heartbeat and putting it in her cot when she wakes up as i think she just needs the comfort of knowing we're around. I don't know if that helps you or not. I hope you manage to get some sleep soon.

You are all very bad influences all this talk of cookies has made me want to go and get another bar of chocolate.That will be 2 bars if i do it.

Ddas I'm sorry I have no advice. My friend puts a floppy toy over her ds' tummy/bum so he thinks it's her hand grin

Oh and dd wet OUR bed last night hmm she hasn't wet the bed in ages and it's usually a sign that she's coming down with something!

Flumpy2012 Fri 28-Feb-14 09:09:33

Can I ask a question?

Those of you expecting, ttc or having had dc2. What made you feel ready?

I really do want dc2 but I'm terrified.
I suffered ante natal depression, diabetes on 5 insulin injections, kidney problems, lost blood throughout and then had spd so badly I couldn't walk. I cannot contemplate dealing with that and dd.

Labour and motherhood has seemed a relative breeze by comparison so I'm not really worried about that side of things.

Also ttc took 13 months first time

Any stories or advice greatly received xx

WLmum Fri 28-Feb-14 10:26:02

Oh god flumpy poor you! I had very easy pgs but getting pg was hard. We knew we wanted more babies and so were just never careful and ended up with 3 which we're delighted about but are now being careful!

MrsNutella Fri 28-Feb-14 13:56:00

hmm Pregnant. With a cold. Needing a wee and sneezing. Not a good combo confused
Better do some pelvic floor exercise!

flumpy I was lucky with a relatively easy pregnancy. I really shouldn't moan at all. I don't get morning sickness, not too many aches and pains either. My legs gradually get more and more filled with fluid and my hips ached at the end of my pregnancy with DS but if I was a bit lighter to start with that would probably help.
The small gap was more luck than design. I can't say we were feeling ready for dc2. More that we knew we wanted a dc2 and didn't want a huge gap so we were sort of not being careful really.

Stacks Fri 28-Feb-14 14:19:47

Flumpy we knew we wanted 2 DC, so when I got my periods back at 9 months we thought we'd try 'a bit' with no stress and charting, but no contraception. It took 2 years to conceive DS, and 2 weeks for this one! So we ended up with the smallest age gap we wanted. If I'm honest I'm not feeling broody at all! I didn't really feel very broody with DS either, I seem to find it hard to make pg into the reality of babies.
I've known quite a few people who didn't have nearly as much trouble having their second. I think it's something like 2 years you're more fertile for. So you might not have to try long second time around either.

That said, a lot of the problems you had are ones which are likely to come back for a second pg, and with spd potentially come back earlier and worse. Have you thought about chatting to your GP? They may have some advice about things you could do to prepare your body for another pregnancy. I think there's a few exercises you can do to to strengthen your core muscles and hopefully help the spd not come back.

I think it's a case of how many dc you want rather than being ready grin

Ds has got his operation four weeks today. I just know I'm going to cry!

MrsNutella Fri 28-Feb-14 20:02:17

Spotty is that for his tiny boy bits? Poor little guy. I hope it is all over very quickly for him and for you!

Barbeasty Fri 28-Feb-14 20:14:56

Spotty just be careful how you explain to DD what's happening to him. When I was only slightly older than her my brother had to have a medical circumcision. I may have told all my friends that he was having his willy cut off. blush

Now, not only does A position himself on my lap ready for a feed (by lying back) but today he has started opening his mouth as wide as he can and waiting for me to start feeding him.

Oh no beasty your poor dbro wink that's so cute about A, still sad that ds stopped wanting to feed.

Yes Nutella it is. I need a day off work too which should be fun hmm

MrsNutella Fri 28-Feb-14 20:58:45

Haha beasty that is funny and quite cute.

DS was intently watching another mummy breast feeding her 4 month old today. He was watching very curious. I'm not convinced he would have ever self weaned. I'm wondering what will happen when DC2 arrives. I did love feeding him for a while. When we got past the hard bit, engorgement, and what some days felt like constant feeding....

Oh yeah it's easily forgotten. Blocked ducts all the time, leaky boobs, painful let down etc etc grin

WLmum Fri 28-Feb-14 21:22:59

Poor little spotty man! Top tip beasty - now we see where mini beasty gets her beasty ways!

WLmum Sat 01-Mar-14 04:56:12

Argh! Operation reclaim the night is not going well. On the second wake up I decided enough was enough. After 2 hours of the most intense screaming I gave up and fed her. She was in such a state she couldn't latch on for a bit. I am so incredibly fed up. I got the nights sorted for a grand total of one month and then boob to settle has crept back it's now usually twice a night and then up at 6. Going to work in a few hours and then will have another hellish night no doubt. So fed up right now.

FriendofDorothy Sat 01-Mar-14 08:21:35

Flumpy we always knew we wanted at least 2 children and it took nearly 2 years to conceive The Little Mister (and we had a bit of intervention) and I am 38 so it was a case of 'we'd better crack on'. How romantic.

MrsNutella Sat 01-Mar-14 09:23:20

Fod everything about babies, conception, pregnancy, birth is dignified romantic and beautiful... Isn't it?? grin

WL that sounds really shit sad hope you have a better night tonight.

I'm waiting for ds to wake up. He's been asleep for two hours and I want to go out and get his passport photo done!

halestone Sat 01-Mar-14 15:25:51

WL, i hope T sleeps for you tonight i'm not sure of what to suggest that could help. The only thing i can think of is could your Dh spend a few nights doing all the wake ups? Just so she can't smell the milk on you.

All this pregnancy talk is not making me broody at all. I think if H had been an easier baby and me and DP lived together things maybe different. But at the moment i would be suicidal if i found out i was pregnant.

WLmum Sat 01-Mar-14 20:03:27

Better be careful then hales!
The only thing to be done is for me to persevere for a couple of nights and then I'm sure it will be ok. She's been going to bed awake and settling so I was hoping the night wakings would tail off but alas not. DH doing the night shift is not really an option - I wouldn't switch off and sleep and he'd only end up pissing me off! I'm grumpy as hell though and forgot to book the pub for a big friends lunch and now they can't fit us in!

Barbeasty Sat 01-Mar-14 20:29:01

Can I curse things and say that A only woke up once in the night? I don't count the 5.50 wake up, because we'd be up then in the week anyway, so just at about 1ish.

But since his dinner consisted of the head of a gingerbread man, half a banana and a bowl of rice crispier, I think tonight is already cursed sleep wise.

I'm feeling very proud of DD though. She started ballet lessons at the end of January, part way through the term. She was meant to miss the last few lessons of the term because they're rehearsals for the production. But today we were asked if she'd like to be in it with the rest of her class because she's good enough.

They will be a class of pre - school bulls!

A has added biting my top to the face - in - cleavage act. He got into trouble when he missed my top and bit my cleavage! And apparently he bit MIL's leg through her trousers yesterday. Just thankful he never does anything at nursery.

Nursery had parents evening last week and they said how good he is at following instructions. All he does for me is smirk and walk off to do his own thing.

WLmum Sat 01-Mar-14 21:50:50

Bless her beasty bet that will be cute! I tried to do ballet as a wee un but I'm really not the right physique and my mum said every week she used to hear the teacher cry 'not like that WL'!
I just bought the dds decorate your own electric toothbrushes - they were so excited! They were all obsessed with dhs lecky brush so in the interests of hygiene I caved and got them their own.
Had a super cute moment after tea tonight when I was singing hey Jude for the big 2 and T was dancing. DH even said I was quite tuneful which was quite a shocker. I reminisced about sitting by the seine with a special pal many moons ago listening to a French busker playing it. Think I'll message her now.

WLmum Sat 01-Mar-14 21:57:31

Loving the passport photos too - how did they know they're not allowed to smile!

MaMaPo Sun 02-Mar-14 04:17:03

Question: how did you end bfing? C is down to a feed before bedtime, which often sends her to sleep, but she can self-settle after about 5-10 Minutes of crying/complaining if need be. I don't think she would self wean.

I have to end bfing by the end of May, as I'll be away for 2.5 weeks. How should I do it? And how early, to make sure she's settled for bedtimes before my parents have her while we're away?

Sorry mama I can't help ds self weaned/refused to feed at ten months sad I would be tempted to leave it until you go away blush out of sight out of mind. Up to your mum though I suppose.

The more I read about chicken pox and the vaccine the more I want it. Dp doesn't want them to have it as he says it's a waste of money. I can afford it out of my own money (which could go off the credit card) hmm....

halestone Sun 02-Mar-14 12:35:43

WL, we're being very very careful.

Beasty awww Ballet dancing sounds so cute i can't wait to see H trying things like that.

Mama when i gave up breastfeeding i was told to drop a feed every couple of days and switch her to formula instead at the times when she would breastfeed.

Spotty, i've not read about the chicken pox vaccine so i can't help with advice. It's currently raging around here but luckily H hasn't come into contact with it and i doubt she will as we're still house bound through her being ill.

2blessed Sun 02-Mar-14 13:19:44

mama I started replacing the night feeds witgh formula using breast only for comfort. And then one day I just stopped and that was it. No tears from either of us. Good luck.

Massive nap-related paddy going on here. DS is screaming and thrashing around. He pauses only to wipe his nose and suck the snot off his fingers! I'm not bothered though as we're halfway through cleaning the house. The longer it takes to get him down, the less cleaning I have to do later wink

WLmum Sun 02-Mar-14 15:16:58

mama I'd say just stop when you're ready. If she can settle quite easily without it I would have thought she'll adapt quite easily. How come you're away for 2.5 weeks? Adventure?

ddas Sun 02-Mar-14 15:36:15

We've just stopped and did it a feed at a time then alternating days etc. but she still randomly asks for it even through there can't be much milk there but for the most part doesn't seem that fussed as long as she gets her cuddles. Haven't got engorged or anything.

A miracle appears to have happened in our house- we decided to start putting dd to bed awake instead of on me & the past 2 nights she's slept through till 6!! May just be coincidence but seems amazing after her being up for hours at night for so long!

Ds has been in the kitchen with me putting dinner on. He's just had a meltdown as we've left the kitchen but he wants to eat NOW!

Today he's eaten:

A bowl of Cheerios with full cup of milk
Slice of toast
Approx 2tbsp blueberries
2 large strawberries
A digestive biscuit
A tin of spaghetti shapes blush
Half a ham sandwich
A whole banana
An Organix oaty bar
A mini packet of raisins

Dinner will be a full bowl of risotto followed by a yoghurt.

halestone Sun 02-Mar-14 16:51:37

Ddas yay to sleeping through, long may it last.

Beasty how did A sleep last night?

Spotty that's some appetite smile

How long would you give medication to work on your babies? H started the Salbutamol on Wednesday and if anything her chest sounds worse. I'm thinking of taking her back to the Drs but don't want to come across PFB.

Hales I have no idea with that I'm afraid.

Oh ddas I hope your sleep continues!

I'd go back Hales, PFB or not. I would have expected medication to work before then and especially as she seems worse x

Oops a kiss blush

Barbeasty Sun 02-Mar-14 17:01:53

Hales I don't know, but when I was given steroids for a chest infection I was told to go back in 2 days if there was no improvement. Is salbutimol the blue or brown inhaler? I find blue makes an immediate difference for me and brown is a cumulative thing.

But if you aren't sure then ask the Dr, or maybe ask if they can do a phone consultation.

A came in a few times, but at some point in the night he was sick and we didn't realise because there wasn't a fuss sad We discovered it this morning. And he isn't quite himself today.

WLmum Sun 02-Mar-14 17:50:20

Excellent news ddas
hales the salbutamol should have an immediate effect, def take her back. If she's really bad consider calling ooh.

Note to self: don't let fruit make up four of ds' five a day hmm we thought he was just farting lots...

ddas Sun 02-Mar-14 18:52:28

Salbutamol doesn't always work in the under 2's. don't worry about seeking advice if you're worried- better safe than sorry with kids.
If she's making a noise when she breaths in (wheezing happens when you breath out), breathing fast, having difficulty breathing that she's unable to eat, play etc normally or even if you are just worried call ooh.

ddas Sun 02-Mar-14 18:53:53

& when salbutamol does work it's immediate post dose as opens airways up.

Maryland2013 Sun 02-Mar-14 19:51:50

Yes if salbutamol is going to work it will work straight away. We found it so hard to give DS an inhaler and we could never leave the thing on his face long enough to get the breaths- he used to go crazy!!!
I would go back to the Docs Hales.

Spotty your DS eats so well smile

MaMaPo Sun 02-Mar-14 20:39:58

No idea hales, sorry, but it sounds like you should get it checked.

Thanks for the advice re weaning everyone! WL, we're having a baby free trip Back to Europe! We have my husband's cousin getting married in Romania and we wouldn't miss it for the world. My parents offered to look after c so we decided not to bring her along. Although I'll miss her horribly if be happier knowing she's with my folks than having to often leave her with babysitters who may not speak much English - there will be lots of nighttime events. And we get to spend 5 days in London at te start of the trip so I get to see all my friends.

Ddas - hooray for sleep! Lots of random crying here last night but we tend to leave her. Longest she cried was about 15 mins. If I'd gone in we would have been up for an hour, I bet.

halestone Sun 02-Mar-14 21:04:40

Its not an inhaler it's Salbutamol syrup which she has to have 2.5 mls of twice a day. She's only wheezy occasionally but her chest feels as though its rattling as she breaths and shes going through stages of breathing alot faster and louder than usual. The thing is these stages are getting closer together and lasting longer that's why i think shes worse. I'll book her in with the GP again tomorrow. Thank you for your advice everyone.

Beasty i hope A is feeling back to himself soon

WLmum Sun 02-Mar-14 21:09:20

Oh dear, fairly major bedtime battle tonight. She went down initially fine but was up and howling within minutes. After about half an hour she was in such a state I had to give in as I think she just can't calm down. Such a monkey chops.

WLmum Sun 02-Mar-14 21:13:08

Yy spotty amazing eating. Ts lunch consisted of 3/4 of a satsuma and boob.
mama wow, that will be amazing. Not sure if I could leave mine for that long but good for you.

ddas Sun 02-Mar-14 21:17:36

Salbutamol syrup is quite old fashioned- I'd see someone else

ddas glad the sleep is getting better.

My DS self weaned and I felt really sad about not feeding him any more. He shows no interest in boobs at all now!

My DS will be an only child, no chance of having another. I finally got my appointment from the hospital to start the process for sterilisation. My mental health and relationship have suffered so much, I would not cope if I got pregnant again, it would finish me sad.

WLmum Sun 02-Mar-14 22:10:21

Sorry to hear that coffee. Sounds like it's been tough for you. Don't get me wrong, I love having my 3 but sometimes wonder if life is easier/better with just 1, for them as well as you. I guess there's no real answer as what's right got one individual is wrong for another and all ways have their pros and cons.

MrsNutella Mon 03-Mar-14 08:13:28

spotty that is some impressive eating. I find DS sometimes eats all day and it can seem pretty relentless. Then other days he'll eat such a tiny amount...

hales I've never heard of a salbutamol syrup, do you know why they went for that over an inhaler?

coffee so sorry you've had such a hard time. I hope you're getting some support. The most important thing is a healthy happy mummy.

Dropped DS at the childminder and realised I had forgotten the wet bag for his nappies. Got home and found his porridge fingers in my bag.... Oh dear. I'm going back to bed for a bit.

halestone Mon 03-Mar-14 12:48:02

Coffee, i'm sorry to hear that its hard when it affects your mental health but also to affect your relationship must of added an extra strain. I hope your feeling better now.

Nutella i have no idea why he chose that i'll ask him when i next see him and also hopefully he'll suggest something else that actually works. I couldn't get an appointment for today so will be trying again tomorrow.

Also Nutella i hope your nap helps. I remember the foggy brain of pregnancy.

WL i hope tonight is easier getting T to sleep.

Thanks for your messages, I've struggled with ante- and postnatal depression quite a bit. The thought of getting pregnant again and the decisions I'd have to make just fill me with horror. I'd rather be a good enough mum to one child than a detached, miserable mum to more.

Whatever is right for each person really. I admire those if you who are pregnant again or already have other children. You have a strength I couldn't even imagine!

On a plus note, F ate a family dinner with us last night, a proper grown up dinner of fish pie. I thought we'd be on jars of baby gloom for ever!!

Baby gloop, not gloom stupid phone

MrsNutella Mon 03-Mar-14 19:02:11

hales I hope you get some more info for H and I hope she is feeling better soon.

coffee DS will not eat any savoury jar/meal things can't say I blame him they are pretty odd but he usually eats what we eat for dinner. Albeit a carb heavy version grin he enjoyed risotto tonight but turned his nose up at the veggies we cooked to go with it.
But he regularly has fruit purée for pudding. He is a pooing champion and if I give him too much dairy that goes into overdrive! So we have the occasional yog to see how things are.

Weirdly he enjoyed a piece of pretty strong cheese the other day.

DH thinks I should see the dr about my cough. I don't want to because: - it will clear up (it's a left over from last weeks cold), -it's probably viral, -they won't give me anything anyway because I'm pregnant and I don't want to waste an hour sitting there to be told that!
Last year I was at the dr with a bit of a tummy bug and spent a lifetime in the waiting room just wanting to lay on the floor and die go to sleep to be told "well you can't rest because you have a tiny baby at home, we can't give you anything because you're breast feeding. Hope you feel better soon" confused

PurplePidjin Mon 03-Mar-14 19:19:08

i give r adapted versions of what we're having. tonight he had a veggie sausage as finger food with mash and peas shovelled in. he likes fish fingers and chips and even makes an attempt at using a fork grin

Coffee that sounds tough but it sounds like you're doing the right thing for you and your family smile

Ds has diarrhoea hmm he's drinking plenty though and fine otherwise

As long as you're happy then DS will be happy Coffee. thanks

I'm sooooo tired, bone achingly tired. I got up at 4am and flew to brussels, worked all day then flew home just in time to make tea. the leffe and hoegarden I drank in the airport almost made up for it

DS was compliant though and self settled so I could have a boiling hot bath. I've been cold all day.

Did I mention I'm tired?

WLmum Mon 03-Mar-14 22:31:54

I think baby jar gloom is right coffee! You are absolutely right about each to their own.
hales hope you get to see a dr soon.
Poor baby spotty. Hope his bum isn't too sore.
Yep willyou work travel sounds glam but is in fact just exhausting, particularly if you have smalls.
T went to bed nicely tonight, sleepy but awake, no real fuss. We had fun last night as she accepted no boob as long as I cuddled her. Putting her down was met by blood curdling screams. In the end we compromised and I knelt by the cot and we cuddled over the bars - it actually was very cute. Eventually she let me lay her down and went to sleep. We're getting there slowly. I wore a dress to work today which confused her greatly - she always wants boob as soon as I walk through the door. She tried getting the top down and then the skirt up and got confused and cross as she had to wait a nano second while I changed. She did blow me kisses this morning when I left though, without prompting.

halestone Tue 04-Mar-14 11:52:43

I think H might be feeling better her breathing doesn't sound as bad. I'm going to play it by what shes like today before taking her the Drs. She has attached herself like superglue to my dad today i don't think he's going to be able to go anywhere without her.

WL, slowly but surely always wins the race so if that's what T is doing she may be getting herself slowly there to sleep through.

Willyou i hope you managed a decent sleep last night.

Coffee yay for DS eating fish pie.

Nutella how nice of your DP to be concerned enough to want you to go the Drs. I hope your cough goes soon though.

Spotty i hope DS's Diarrhea has stopped now.

WLmum Tue 04-Mar-14 13:50:15

I like your optimism hales but I don't think she'd ever get there by herself. I'm just pushing from stage to stage rather than one big hit. So glad H is feeling a bit better.

Ds slept over three hours today in one go!

envy > spotty I would be over the moon if F slept that long!

willyou have you had any rest today after your jet setting? wink

WLmum Tue 04-Mar-14 18:49:32

I'm attempting to put T to bed an hour early so DH and I can go out. She hasn't slept all arvo so hopefully she's tired enough to go down well and stay there til we get back.

MrsNutella Tue 04-Mar-14 20:53:41

WL I hope she goes down and gives you and DH a wonderful night of restful sleep! You never know, keeping her up and putting her down earlier might work wonders... I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

spotty Is DS a bit better this afternoon? Do you oh think his amazing mammoth sleep was what he needed!?

hales you're right. He is a total sweetheart and he makes me feel like a very lucky lady that I found him (completely by luck or fate) and that he picked me. smile I do love him very much. Thank you for making a very good point.

We had a lovely day. My international ladies group here is full of pregnant ladies due to pop over the course of the he next few days to four weeks or so. This morning I met one friend to chat about nappies and we had a late breakfast which was lovely without any smalls to chase after. Then in the afternoon I picked DS up from the CM and took him to our next appointment. We were three very pregnant mummies, me and one not pregnant mummy. The smalls all ran around and caused mayhem while we ate delicious waffles and drank tea/coffee/water.
We did tidy up before we left and I have to say that we were awesome guests leaving it tidier than when we arrived! grin

Barbeasty Tue 04-Mar-14 21:42:16

Nutella do any of them have nice midwives? Or have you sorted that now?

Spotty I wish A would eat like that. Yesterday he had a bowl of rice crispies, 1 cm slice of banana, one bite of a slice of quiche, 1/10th slice of cheese on toast, 3 teaspoons of baked beans and half a custard cream.

And lots of milk.

And I'm happy MIL had him for today's nappy!!

halestone Tue 04-Mar-14 22:14:50

Wow Spotty i am very jealous of that nap. I would be able to get loads done if H ever slept like that.

Nutella, that sounds like a lovely day.

WL i hope it works and T sleeps better than ever for you.

WLmum Tue 04-Mar-14 23:22:49

Thanks all, back from our night out and t was a good girl and hasn't woken yet - normally it's around 3 but she would have given mil a hard time if she'd woken.

Bless you nutella. We used to very gooey but nearly 18 years on we're a bit more functional. One of my goals for this year is to get 'us' back a bit after years of just being parents. It was going well til the sleep set back which is another reason to put my foot down!

Hope the poorlies are feeling better.

That's sweet Nutella. Dp and I are a bit like you WL, so busy living our lives and running around doing day to day things we forget about 'us' blush

Hales unfortunately I was at work for lost of the nap!

Ds is still having bad nappies. Not diarrhoea but worse than teething nappies hmm he's not bothered though...

spotty I'm wondering what on earth can be worse than teething nappies (don't answer that btw)

nutella that sounds like a wonderful day out, waffles are then best, especially proper ones from the continent, not the crappy offerings we have here!

wl glad your night out went well. Did you manage to switch off from your little one or we're you still worrying about her? I still have half my mind still in F on the rare nights DH and I go out by ourselves

Ds is kissing dd's dolly again hmm

PurplePidjin Wed 05-Mar-14 11:52:23

Aw spotty that's cute!

MrsNutella Wed 05-Mar-14 12:57:46

spotty DS often gives any dolly he comes across a good snogging too!

coffee the lady that hosted and made waffles is French so of course they were tasty smile

Beasty two of the ladies live in the wrong part of town, their midwives wouldn't come out to me because it would be too far. The other two I already tried their midwives with no luck.
I think the midwives must all book their holiday together in some kind of massive midwife camp that takes place end of July - beginning of August hmm

Poor DS had a super sore bottoms this morning sad I don't really know how. It was fine last night, a little touch sore but this morning was probably the worst I've ever seen it.

halestone Wed 05-Mar-14 14:18:22

Nutella, i hope DS's bum is better soon.

This morning i was making H's toast when i stupidly left the cutlery drawer open. I didn't hear H rummaging inside it or sneaking up behind me, so i was quite shocked when i turned around and she stabbed a fork into my lady parts.

MrsNutella Wed 05-Mar-14 14:30:04

Hales, I'm so sorry but that really made me laugh! I was expecting H to have been injured in some way, thank goodness she wasn't. I hope you and your bits weren't too badly assaulted by the fork.

MrsNutella Wed 05-Mar-14 18:21:10

How often do your LOs poo? DS averages about 5 times a day! I'm starting to think it can't be normal....

Ds usually once a day. At the moment 2/3 bad ones. Just had another leaker sad that does sound a lot Nutella are they, er, solid?

MrsNutella Wed 05-Mar-14 21:10:14

Yeah all solid and of varying sizes.... I noticed it was worse when he had more dairy and so I am wondering if it's diet but I've no idea what it's likely to be confused

halestone Wed 05-Mar-14 21:12:53

Haha Nutella it didn't hurt after the initial impact i was just shocked she did it with a look of menace.

H tends to poo about 4-5 times a day on average although some days she shocks me and doesn't poo at all. she makes up for it the next day though

MrsNutella Wed 05-Mar-14 21:47:42

Thanks hales. Good to know DS is not the only mega pooper!

It was the image of H creeping up on you with the fork out ready to poke you with it that I couldn't get out of my head grin

Hahaha Hales, little devil child H!

DS poos once in a morning and once at night. The night one is always after I've put him to bed, so I have to get him back up and change him. It always stinks to high heaven!

hales that is really funny!

nutella hope DSs bum is better soon, it always looks so sore when have nasty nappies.

F tends to poop about three times a day, I tend to time our leaving the house for after his morning poop, otherwise I really, really regret it...

WLmum Wed 05-Mar-14 22:35:15

Haha * hales*! I guess that means she's feeling a bit better?
T poos once a day usually, sometimes twice just like dd1 did. Dd2 was multiple times a day at this age.

I think they day it's more about the consistency of the poo rather than the frequency grin

Stacks Thu 06-Mar-14 07:56:22

Morning all. DS is still sleeping, after waking us up at 5:30 screaming. Tried sending DH in to settle him, but he gets in such a state it's just too hard to calm him down. Ended up feeding him and putting him down at 6 (yes, I know we're lucky it was so quick) but it means DH and I have both been up since 5:30 hoping to fall back asleep before the alarm at 6:45. This long lie will count as his morning nap, and hopefully give me a much happier baby than I had yesterday. Some days he reminds me of a teenager the way he throws himself around on the floor/sofa/me whinging and looking sad. He was in mid woe-is-me strip yesterday when I offered him a biscuit - instant smile, jump up and run to he biscuit cupboard! Then back to moping once he had it. I think he's bored, but he just won't play with his toys.

We've had a couple of surprise sore bums recently. Fine one nappy change, horrifically sore the next. Really hope it clears up soon nutella. Hope DS doesn't get sore from his diarrhea Spotty, is he seeming any better today?

Another nasty nappy this morning! And a soggy rice cake just shoved in my mouth hmm

Sounds like hard work stacks sad

MrsNutella Thu 06-Mar-14 08:36:47

stacks DS tends to get whingey before dinner time - even though he seems to be eating about 80% of the time. But when it's teeth he moans and moans at me and drives me crazy. Sorry no helpful hints! But I feel your pain.

Speaking of which last night he woke at about midnight and I'm sure it was teeth. But he sounded so croaky and his chest was so rattley that I brought him into our bed. He eventually settled after some carpool and puff of his salbutamol seemed to really help his breathing quieter down.

Thanks ladies, for the poo advice/ reassurance smile
I'm glad on the one hand that we use cloth, it would be really really expensive if he were in disposables! On the the other hand I have to deal with the poo - thank goodness it isn't usually a big problem.

His bum is much better this morning. Using some good bum cream, bepanthen and he had a camomile & oat bath last night. I'm looking forward to trying that out myself actually. I noticed last night after his bath that his skin felt even more lovely and soft smile

WLmum Thu 06-Mar-14 09:44:25

Ah to lovely soft baby skin nutella.
Sshh don't want to jinx it but T slept 8-6 last night! Hoorah! Looks like the standoffs have paid off.
stacks could you hang out in the garden for a bit? I find it a wonderful mood changer - waterproofs on and a poke in flower pots, blow some bubbles.

Ds just loves to dribble out full mouthfuls of spit at the moment (on purpose) hmm

Stacks Thu 06-Mar-14 20:30:28

We had a full day of whinging, though he was ok while at play group and when in the garden (thanks WL) though we were only out for 15 mins as it was cold and started to rain.

I've been in an awful mood all evening, little things are annoying me sooo much. Like the bloody iPhone autocorrect, and DH complaining there was no clean towel in the kitchen. Clean towels are in the bathroom, clean because I washed them, they're always in the same place, and easy to get to. So go get an f'ing towel yourself!!! Then got peed off with the cat for fussing at me while I was trying to go to the loo. Is 5 minutes on the loo ON MY OWN too much to ask of the universe? Even DH wanting a cuddle feels like an invasion of my space tonight sad

Barbeasty Thu 06-Mar-14 20:46:37

Oh Stacks, can your DH make sure you have the chance to some time alone this evening?

I had to be really careful to not let my bad mood out between collecting the DC and getting them to bed.

I didn't get the job. But I only know this because I was on our online hr system booking time off and had a look. No actual call or letter or anything.

Then I was told this morning that someone I've worked with for the last 6 years was killed leaving work yesterday, when a lorry reversed into him.

After that having to deal with an arsehole who was being difficult because I refused to do their job for them the other week was just the icing on the cake really.

Thank goodness tomorrow is Friday!!

Goodness beasty poor you thankswine

Stacks I can't wait for the weather to improve a bit I hate being out in the wet!

WLmum Thu 06-Mar-14 23:00:57

stacks poor DH didn't get much of a cuddle for ages as I'd just had enough of people being on me. Def try to arrange a bit of you time, on your own or with friends. Cheers me up a treat. Glad ds enjoyed a bit of time in the garden, hopefully it will get easier to be out there as the weather improves and the days get longer but I do find even 15 mins breaks a whinge cycle.
beasty sorry to hear all that. How awful for that mans family. I applied for a job today, massively long winded crappy application form so it better be worth it!

Beasty, I'm so sorry to hear about your colleague, his poor family sad and sorry about the job. They could've at least let you know.

Fingers crossed for you WL

Oh Stacks can you go swimming or just to the supermarket and leave DS with someone so you can get an hour alone?

My (big) boss complained about be today! I was taking quick notes off an unexpected work call and grabbed a compliment slip to write on. Apparently that's an bloody expensive way to take notes as they cost 20p each. You drive a masserati, live in a £4mill farmhouse and charge my time out at 6 times what I'm paid but yeah by all means quibble over 20p angry

DS is whinging already. Dunno why, am reluctant to get out of bed

WLmum Fri 07-Mar-14 11:42:52

Sounds about right for a big boss willyou!
Agree beasty that's awful for it to be publically available and no one told you first.

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Mar-14 12:50:18

WL I get like that when I'm due on...

Barbeasty Fri 07-Mar-14 13:08:51

A has earache and is on antibiotics, DD has bad tonsillitis (again) and is on antibiotics.

I don't want to catch either!!

Bless DH, he's worked from home today to take them to the Dr, and bless MIL who is looking after both DC so DH can work and I can come into work for a stupid meeting which was only worth it for a doughnut

2nd week off swimming for A, and feeling guilty that we've not spotted it earlier.

halestone Fri 07-Mar-14 14:10:18

Beasty sorry about your colleague and also about the job flowers Also i hope your DC feel better soon.

Willyou Big Bosses are always stingy in my experience. They always seem worried about money

H has just walked around the Asda as she refused to get in the trolley, it made for a very stressful trip.

Barbeasty Fri 07-Mar-14 15:52:29

Hales was she trying to get stuff off the shelf?!

WillYou how crap. Next time just write it on the desk!.

Stacks Fri 07-Mar-14 17:06:48

Hope you get the job WL. Is it for anything interesting?

Sorry you didn't get the job beasty, and double sorry about your collegue. I always wonder how that sort of thing can happen.

Hales, T insists on walking sometimes now. We've got him a little ladybird backpack that has baby reins on it. Helps with the running off, if not the shelf emptying.

Another long day today, only 1.5hrs till bedtime though. I forgot DH is out tonight, so had to make dinner while holding a whinging DS. I'm getting my own back though, DS has been running around with DHs electric toothbrush for most of the afternoon. He comes and gets my finger to get me to turn it on, then chews it with his dinner in his mouth too. I might tell DH, depends what time he's home tonight ;)

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Mar-14 17:54:27

Poorly parrot has just stopped squawking hoarsely at me down the monitor. Lovely locum said it's just a cold but had never seen a cloth nappy before, despite having a 2yo of his own shock might not help that I turned up in full wrap regalia with ds in his woollies and night nappy <paranoid hippy>

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Mar-14 17:55:14

Whenever there's a possibility he might walk i put R in his reins. We live on a busy main road, I'm taking no chances!

Hope your two poorly DC don't keep you up all night Beasty.

J's poorly again too, either teeth again (as his two molars have poked through) or ears (as I have dreadful earache).

J was knackered but has pepped right up at bedtime hmm Just had tea at my mum's as DP's at his brother's. Got home to a blown fuse and a pitch black house. Luckily it had just tripped out so all back on now.

Barbeasty Fri 07-Mar-14 19:19:02

I need to find our reigns or get some more. Although if A doesn't want to go where I tell him he just sits down rather than running- for now!

Yes WLmum I forgot to say good luck, although I don't want to jinx you! I'd applied for a job with a local company, but they phoned to ask my salary expectations (stupid advert just said competitive) and the starting salary was half what I'm on now!

Pidj I once took one of the DC (forgotten which) to the nurse in a disposable but with a wrap over it (we used reusable with DD, couldn't face the washing on top of A's reflux!) She was saying how lovely it is to see reusable nappies these days. I didn't like to confess! But she's the same nurse who has said a couple of times how lovely it is to see babies come for vaccinations in slings rather than prams. We're in a pretty "alternative" area!

Barbeasty Fri 07-Mar-14 19:20:30

WillYou they were in bed an hour early! There is an upside. But we'll see how the night is.

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Mar-14 19:23:51

I live in a pretty conservative area very white, mixed chavtastic and poncetastically middle class but have never had anything but positive comments or interested questions - not that he was negative, just the first one to not even know iyswim.

I may have converted about 75% of the mums I now know to slings hmm

WLmum Fri 07-Mar-14 20:07:11

Stupid phone just lost my post.
stacks don't know if it would be particularly interesting, main factors were that its p/t and more money. It's certainly not a dream job but would plug a hole.
beasty poor dc, both nasty illnesses. Don't feel bad, ear infections can be hard to spot.
My fussy monkey wolfed a huge bowl of cauliflower cheese (I do make a mean one if I do say so myself) and then was enjoying dipping into my lentil and veg soup (fast day).

halestone Fri 07-Mar-14 21:13:38

Surprisingly she wasn't interested with what was on the shelves. She was more interested in talking to strangers or walking the opposite way to us or doing sudden stops.

WL good Luck with the job i have my FX for you. flowers

Stacks i vote you don't tell DP. wink

Willyou i hope you and J are better soon

I actually think I'm about to have some kind of breakdown if I had anyone to look after the children id walk out right now.

Dd is being horrible to ds we've got no food in the house so I've got to take both of them out to do the food shopping which is a forty mile round trip. Dp is working then fucking off to football so it's all left to me again. I can't find ds' birth certificate after dp said oh it ok it's in x place. Er no it's not and a fat lot of help that is now as you're not here as always.

I've shouted at the dc all morning and I just want to cry I'm so fed up. I wanted to get the food shopping done early but won't now as my sugars low and I can't drive for another 45 minutes. I'm hiding in my room the dc are downstairs.

Actually I feel a bit better having written all that down. Still trying not to cry though sad

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Mar-14 12:05:05

<<Spotty>> Shout at dp, he can't fuck off to football and dump everything on you when you're ill (blood sugar) thanksbrewcake

Tbf it wasn't low when he left and even if he was he still would have left.... I've calmed down a bit now grin

Oh Spotty <ENORMOUS HUG>. I hope you feel better now, and that you've blasted through the shopping and are back home with lots of lovely food and fuck all for not-so-DP. I fucking hate when they just fuck off to football like it's the most important thing in the world and god forbid they miss it angry.

DS fell asleep at 10am as I was trying to get him into a play centre, he's still asleep. Why do they only sleep when you don't want them to? At lease I got to come home and do the ironing confused

Ooh cross post.

halestone Sat 08-Mar-14 12:29:10

Spotty flowers i hope your feeling alot better now and that the DC are behaving for you. I have developed a theory that if i need to do something then H will invariably play up. I think its something they learn from their dads haha.

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Mar-14 12:38:05

WillYou, sorry I have Mr Clockwork these days - he's easy to predict so I just work round the fact that he'll want to sleep at 11ish! Yesterday he was squawking and pointing at the TV at 4:20 - he wanted to watch Nina and the Neurons hmm

Ds will only sleep in his cot so I tend to put him down whenever. It just depends on whether we are going out or not/if I have work etc. I usually try to plan it for when home and away is on after lunch grin

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Mar-14 18:10:57

How you doing now Spotty?

I'm fine thanks. I actually lost it this morning blush dp doesn't know anything about my meltdown though

WLmum Sat 08-Mar-14 19:01:55

Glad you're feeling better now spotty but can you take a bit of time out for you tomorrow? Meet someone for coffee, have a swim or just go for a nice peaceful walk and leave the dc with dp. We all have drowning days. One of my ny resolutions was more me time and I'm loving it! I've started jogging again and aside from getting fitter, the peace and quiet and headspace is amazing.
I took T for her first ride on my bike today, she loved it!

Not really, dp's got to mow the lawn and finish fitting the shower. There's loads of housework to be done too...

Still need to find ds' birth certificate too, honestly why make you do something so important when you're in the newborn fuzz stage?!

Stacks Sat 08-Mar-14 19:16:22

DH was meant to have DS today, while I was home upstairs knitting. It was meant to be a trial run sort of for him having DS all day tomorrow, 45m drive away. However he planned in bike cleaning/maintenance instead, so I had DS basically on my own again all day while he was fannying about in the garden. I can't really complain, because it'll save is £50 a month bus fare and get DP home earlier for the rest of the year. Didn't stop me wanting to complain though!
I still get to look forward to having a break tomorrow, but I'm worried I'll be worried about how they're getting on for the day. Am I the only one who's DH has never had their dc for more than 2 hours? He's always agreed to plans to have him, but somehow nothing has ever happened with them. I wonder what I'm going to do with myself all day tomorrow.. Any suggestions?

Glad you're feeling a bit better spotty, but sorry there's no real chance for some me time for you. I at least hope the DCs are better behaved tomorrow, and the housework magically does itself smile

I've made a plan to start running again after this baby is born and settled. Really hope I can follow through on it. I did the couch to 5k program a couple of years ago, ran in a 5k race, then basically stopped. I enjoyed it, but I made the mistake of only ever really doing treadmill running. No idea why, but it seems so much easier than running in the real world. Not to mention completely useless and pointless in comparison.

Dp had to look after the dc when I was in hospital for four days so has some experience grin but apart from that no he haven't. If he did he would only go to his mums/brothers god forbid if he had to go to the supermarket with them shock

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Mar-14 19:46:24

Regularly and voluntarily, he'd think himself emasculated if he wasn't able hmm

Maryland2013 Sat 08-Mar-14 19:57:28

Spotty can you do online shopping to save yourself some stress?

I always used to but I'm trying to save money. Fed up of spending ££££ at tesco every week.

WLmum Sat 08-Mar-14 20:58:06

DH has all 3 regularly when I'm working and he's not. Of course I plan the meals etc and don't expect more than perhaps one load of laundry. He rarely had them alone for more than a couple of hours before I went back to work though.
spotty I know it's easier said than done but your well being is a higher priority than housework. Just one hour off will make all the difference.
stacks if it's a beautiful day again how about a walk in the woods? Mine love it. We're off to support DH and a pal of mine in a local half marathon - T will be in the ergo so a hand free for each of the bigs. Then celebratory tea at pizza express (courtesy of tesco vouchers). Yummy!

WLmum Sat 08-Mar-14 21:31:05

Man I love being in bed before 10 (rock and roll!). I was so tired tonight I fell asleep while doing dd1s reading. Luckily she thought it was funny.

Both DP and I got quite annoyed last week separately at people who were shock that I was going away for work and leaving J with him. I think he nearly punched BiL for repeatedly saying "you'll never cope" over and over. Of course he bloody coped. It was one night FFS.

halestone Sat 08-Mar-14 23:48:06

Spotty i also lost H's birth certificate, in the end i just applied for another one online it took about a month to arrive i think although you can pay extra to get it delivered quicker.

Stacks, could you go and eat somewhere, i know you maybe alone, but just think of the luxury of being able to eat without a little ones hand diving in that could just be my Dd though

I am lucky i suppose DP looks after H while i go to work, and he occasionally lets me have a sleep in as well.

It must be in our house somewhere hales! I'm really cross angry we're going away in 13 weeks (and counting wink) so need to find it ASAP!

WL I'm usually in bed before ten!

Sorry you've had such a hard time spotty, my DH dies a good chuck of one to one time with F. I go out every Wednesday and Friday night to pursue a hobby of mine so they're in their own then, plus we take it in turns in the weekend to have long lie ins.

It's really important to have time to yourself, it's what keeps me sane!

Dp's only home one day a week so it's our only chance to have any family time, he wouldn't mind at all if I went out but if I did that we would never spend any time together

That's tough sad, not sure what the answer is then.

My DH decided today was the day to start making F have his nap in his bed rather than the pram. I took over sitting with F after an hour of screaming, another 2 hours and he is still screaming, DH snoring his head off in the lounge. I am not amused.

WLmum Sun 09-Mar-14 19:44:40

coffee why does he want him to nap in bed instead of the pram?
spotty how about booking yourself out for a few hours once a month? Or a regular evening?

Poor DH passed out with heat exhaustion just 200m from the finish line of his half marathon today. Thank god my mum decided to come along so she could watch the kids while I stayed in the medical area with him. He needs a bit of tlc for bruised pride.

Oh no WL! Your poor dh! I remember speaking to my dad when he finished the London marathon a couple of years ago, he was a broken man! Yes I always used to, bestie has newborn so will definitely get back to it when she's able to leave her.

Dp's parents have split up. Think his dad's having an affair. Is it selfish to feel sad for dd? She loves spending time with them all together

halestone Sun 09-Mar-14 21:26:32

WL, i hope your DH is ok, i think he's still done amazing to run that far. So congratulations to him from me.

Spotty, i don't think its selfish, although once the dusts settled she probably will spend time with both of them together. My parents can be in the same room together now after a nasty split, especially if its with H or my DN.

We have had a lovely day today smile first we went to my nans and because the weather was nice, H explored the entire outside of the house. Then we came home she had a nap and whilst she was asleep my sister and DN arrived home so when she woke up, both of them played in the front with the older kids, then they played alone together in the backyard. Then after tea we threw them in the bath. Both are in bed now, hopefully knocked out for the night.

WL my HV has suggested we get F to sleep in his bed as he will eventually get too big for the buggy, so sooner rather than later was her advice. She has a point, but it was something I wanted to think through and get into the right mindset rather than DH's spur of the moment reaction.
Hope your DH is on the mend.

That's sad spotty, affairs have a horrible ripple effect and your poor DD will get caught up in it. How are you doing with it?

WLmum Sun 09-Mar-14 21:56:03

Thanks all, he's fine just a bit fed up now. It gave him quite a fright though.
hales that sounds like a lovely day.
spotty not selfish at all. I guess you will have the tricky task of explaining to her what's happening. My df has never been part of my life (his choice) and when ds1 was about 4 she used to ask about it a lot. It was so hard to say that sometimes daddy's aren't there without scaring her that her daddy might not always be there. Was never bothered by not having had a relationship with him until I had dds and saw them with DH and then felt sad for child me. It reminds me how important he is in their lives.

That's sad WL sad my parents have split and dd doesn't realise yet but I think this is different because it's happening now whereas my parents have been separated since I was three. It's only now I have dd that I wonder how on earth my mum left us when I was only three!

Awful night with dd she has a cough again and then 'couldn't sleep' zzzzzz

Also I'm really angry with him! Does he not care about his family and two gorgeous grandchildren angry

utopian99 Mon 10-Mar-14 09:03:19

Sorry I've been awol for so long! Work is going well and O starred sleeping through a month or so, so have fewer opportunities to mn it seems..

have totally lost track of news so apologies, although reread the top few and poor dh WL - hope he's okay now?
Also sorry to hear about your pils spotty - it seems too many people 'solve' a relationship issue by ducking out to have affairs these days, but I do hope it finds a resolution so your dd doesn't lose out..

Also - I may finally be pg! AF returned at last on valentine's day (ha!) and an Internet cheapie and asda stick both say yay...

Yay congratulations utopian!

PurplePidjin Mon 10-Mar-14 11:43:30

Congratulations utopian thanks

Lovely morning in the garden on the patio if anyone would like pics?

Barbeasty Mon 10-Mar-14 12:59:05

Congratulations Utopian a second winter baby.

DH definitely finds it easier when the DC get older, and wouldn't want both on his own for long at the moment, but he frequently takes DD off to give me a break, and manages fine taking them both to church for a couple of hours.

Both DC seem much better now. A loves his medicine. As soon as he sees a bottle or syringe he opens his mouth wide and is cross if it's DD's turn.

utopian99 Mon 10-Mar-14 14:17:32

Thanks, we're facing an expensive Christmas season from now on!

MrsNutella Mon 10-Mar-14 16:24:35

Congratulations Utopian! I'd been wondering where you were and keeping everything crossed for you.

Spotty sorry about your PIL. It's never easy when a relationship breaks down and affairs do seen to make the process only more of a stressful mess. Hopefully your dc will still get to enjoy them both though.

We had a stressful morning and then I went out to my therapy session so I got to have a nice break from it. The childminder's daughter is sick and I was looking forward to resting today after being sick this weekend - again.
This had better be a really healthy baby when it arrives! I know being pregnant has an effect on your immune system but this is getting a bit silly now.

halestone Mon 10-Mar-14 17:14:34

Congratulations Utopian flowers I am so pleased for you.

Nutella, i hope your feeling better soon flowers

The house round the corner from me is for sale. Three bedroom semi (grade II listed so very nice but only one bathroom nothing spectacular) £675000. Seriously. I think I've got more chance of winning the lottery, which I don't play, than ever owning a house angry makes me cross (and sad).

Dd is poorly again with a cough and fever. Ds was sick apparently this pm but was fine otherwise!

Always like to see pics pidj!

Congratulations Utopian

Hope you recover soon Nutella

That's harsh Spotty, I live somewhere cheap so have been able to afford to buy.

Just did day 1 of 30 day shred, having a minute in case I spew! I am ridiculously unfit. Did it in just my sports bra for added motivation, not a good look!

utopian99 Mon 10-Mar-14 22:13:48

Thanks, we're facing an expensive Christmas season from now on!

WLmum Mon 10-Mar-14 22:28:53

Congratulations utopian! So glad it's all worked out for you.

WLmum Mon 10-Mar-14 22:32:03

That's mega bucks spotty! We're lucky in that we got on the property ladder early before it all became so ridiculously unaffordable. We have a decent sized house now but teeny garden and hideous decor as we can't afford to decorate!

WillYou I'm stupidly unfit too grin need to try and get a bikini body for my holiday hmm

Dd has woken with a temperature (which is odd as usually it goes in the morning and ruses through they day) she's had a fever the past three nights. Any way I can tell at home if she has a chest infection?

Dp isn't bothered about buying a house but I really want to. It's an impossible dream though.

Equimum Tue 11-Mar-14 07:28:46

Sorry I haven't been around for a couple of threads - I've really struggled with balancing almost full-time work, a horse and a baby, while DH is out of those house for 14h/d. I'm completely in awe of those of you who manage similar/ more.

Congratulations Utopian

Sorry your LO are poorly again Spotty. We're doing a bit better health wise here, after a period when DS seemed to catch one thing after another!

Am I right to think you're in the South East Spotty. If so, buying property is so hard. Even though DH earns a good wage we were only to buy a small 2 bed in an unpopular town away from where we wanted to buy. Even then, there were only very few options under £200k!

Jealous of clockwork baby Pidge. DS is not too bad, but can still decide to nap (or not to nap) at the worst times.

halestone Tue 11-Mar-14 13:50:37

Spotty does she need to see the GP? I hope shes feeling better soon.

Equi welcome back, i hope your ok. i think it must be hard to get your work-life balance correct when you go back full time after maternity leave. I am lucky that i've managed to find a part time job that pays enough to pay the bills although it doesn't pay for anything else

H has been a nightmare today, she hasn't stopped whinging!

halestone Tue 11-Mar-14 13:51:20

ohhh i've just noticed we can upload pictures to the thread via the laptop.

I'm in the south east and property is ludicrously priced. The only reason DH and I have our lovely home is because I inherited a lot after a very dear relative died. Believe me, I'd rather have the relative and rent!

Equi hats off to you managing all that! I came seriously close to buying a horse to keep at DIY livery and then I got pregnant! Close shave there...

Equimum Tue 11-Mar-14 14:36:16

Lucky escape coffee! Our horse was on part livery but got injured and could!'t stay at the yes due to needing flat turn-out. DIY turned out to be the option, so having to do him every day was never part of the plan. We are trying to sell him, as long term, it's not a practical arrangement.

Hales, is there any reason for H's whining, or is it just one of those days.

DS howled as soon as we pulled up outside the nursery building today, and was still going for it when I left. I keep thinking about calling to check how he's doing, but I know that won't help either of us, and I have to teach for the rest of the day!

Yes equi in part of the South Downs national park.

I don't know hales her temp isn't that high but she's certainly unwell.

WLmum Tue 11-Mar-14 20:00:22

utopian did you ever sort out the early mornings? The trade off for T sleeping through the night is getting at 5.10 - yawn. I tried for almost an hour to convince her to go back to sleep but she thought it was all good fun and was getting quite noisy and as I didn't want her to wake dd1&2 I took her downstairs. I was v proud of myself for fitting in a 2.5 mile run before the school run but I feel like shit now. Tea and bed for me. Had dd2s bestie (and mum) over for lunch and dd1s bestie for tea! Welcome to cafe WL!
spotty hope dd is feeling better.
Welcome back equi.

halestone Tue 11-Mar-14 22:38:39

It was just one of those days Equi.

Spotty, i hope DD is feeling better than she was.

utopian99 Tue 11-Mar-14 23:04:24

Like the idea of cafe wl!

Haven't fully sorted early mornings sadly - our best days are normally 6.30 now, which isn't so bad, although they vary still.. am just waiting for it to resolve on it's own really too soft and/or lazy to do anything else..

ddas Wed 12-Mar-14 06:03:09

Dd has started to finally sleep through till 6am or occasibut that I'm happy with that.

ddas Wed 12-Mar-14 06:07:33

Dd has started to finally sleep through till 6am or occasionally 6.30 and that I'm happy with that but ds who willl be 3 in august has suddenly gone from 7.30 to 5.30!!! Bloody typical! Those if you with older dc's any luck with gro clocks and from what age did you use them? Or experience with Jo frost's stay in bed techniques?

When dd started waking early she stopped of her own accord after a few weeks. Ds usually wakes between 6 and 6:30 but is still asleep!

I think dd is well enough for nursery today. Her cough is bad but she wasn't feverish over night.

I need to go and buy flowers for my Nan's seventieth birthday today smile

Operation stop the night wakings started last night. It was an unmitigated disaster. He screamed in his cot for an hour and a half until I gave in and fed him. Then he was wide awake so I was waiting until he looked sleepy to put him back in his cot. I woke up at 5:30 with him still in our bed. Oops!

MrsNutella Wed 12-Mar-14 09:44:17

Sorry to hear about the trouble at night willyou. We were much too wimpy to spend long leaving DS to cry/ shout so once we stopped giving him milk at night we often just took him into our bed at night when he woke. Sometimes we would try and settle him for ten minutes but sleep was our absolute priority.

spotty your nan is 70?! DH's parents are 72 and 70! shock Mind you DH is also 10 years younger than his next brother....

Thank goodness DS will fairly consistently sleep until 6:40. I'm almost 20 weeks so will have all of this to go through again soon confused. I swear I ordered a sleepy one last time...

How normal is a slight egg allergy? I think egg whites contain the bit they are often allergic to? Last night we had quiche - which was pretty good if I say so myself smile DS got a bit red in the face and then dinner time was over when he was crying hysterical.

Barbeasty Wed 12-Mar-14 10:54:02

Well it's typical that the one time I want A to wake and feed, he only woke once last night!

One breast hurts, but I don't know whether it's something sinister like mastitis coming on, or hurting because my glands are up anyway. I felt all tingly as though I had a fever etc, but I can't tell which is a symptom of which.

And I had the same a few days ago, but on the other side. I did wonder if that was a bruise instead, as A levered himself up on that spot throughout the night!

I'm definitely ill with a cough heading to a chest infection , but don't know if that's what's doing it.

Nice to get some sleep though, and I didn't have to get up at 5 this morning either. A stayed asleep until 6.15, which is amazing.

WillYou been there, done that. Frequently.

Spotty/ Nutella MIL turns 71 this month. And my Dad is in his 60s. Mind you, my oldest SIL turns 50 in a couple of years.

No idea about allergies I'm afraid Nutella.

Yes my nan is seventy, my mum turned fifty this year. On my dad's side I have a great nan who is 99 (either already or this year, can't remember). I'm inly 26 though grin

Ds is really coming along with his walking. Walks everywhere holding one hand, can stand for as long as he wants to and has been having a good go at walking unaided outside (only manages a few steps before deciding to crawl though!)

halestone Wed 12-Mar-14 13:14:50

Willyou, good luck with operation Night Waking. I am still going with following what she wants if it means i get sleep. I am too lazy to change it yet.

Nutella i also have no advice about allergies as i don't know anything about them,

Spotty my grandad was 70 last year thats why we went to Centre Parcs. My mum is 50 in 2 years and i'm 30 next month. I hope your nan has a lovely birthday.

Beasty i hope your feeling better soon flowers

Barbeasty Wed 12-Mar-14 13:41:56


I think egg is a common allergy, which children often grow out of, but I don't know which bit causes it.

I'd be tempted to carefully try him on something like a bit of scrambled egg, with nothing added and see what happens.

Then maybe try a few other ingredients if nothing happens with egg.

I don't know if there's much on the allergies or children's health boards.

Ds' been asleep for 2.5 hours I'm going to have to wake him up to go and pick dd up in a minute!

MrsNutella Wed 12-Mar-14 14:31:48

Thanks beasty I'll toddle over to those boards. I only know a little bit about egg allergies because my nephew had an egg allergy... I have in my head that it is a relatively common allergy and that they often grow out of it... We have given him scrambled egg and he wouldn't touch it hmm

PurplePidjin Wed 12-Mar-14 18:36:48

Hales your mum is the same age as dp hmm

Stacks Wed 12-Mar-14 18:54:21

DS had a mild egg allergy for a while, it would show up as lots of red lumps round his mouth. You can do a skin test for it - basically rubbing some egg on a leg or arm. If they show a reaction then they've got an allergy. That said, DS never reacted on the simple skin test, he also never had a bad reaction to the egg really, just some rather alarming pfb red lumps/swelling. The dr gave us some piriton to keep in the cupboard incase he ever had a full on reaction, but he was fine and grew out of it by about 10m.

Sorry about early waking babies and non sleeping ones. DS used to wake between 3 and 5 for a feed, but he spontaneously stopped doing so about a month ago. He now sleeps 7-7 pretty regularly. Occasionally he'll cry out earlier, at around 5:30, but will stop within 5mins. Early waking is a common problem though, there's probably some threads on the sleep boards about it, either current or archived. I hope all the babies get the hang of sleeping real soon!

WLmum Wed 12-Mar-14 21:46:24

pidj I'm going to tell DH that as he was paranoid about being an older dad when T was born (he had just turned 42).
Proof that he has no clue about nighttime shenanigans here - he asked if I was ok after the 5am disturbance - actually I was getting back into bed at 5 having got out at 3.30!! 3.30-4 with dd2 who'd had a bad dream (we made a dream catcher after work so should be sweet dreams for her from here on!) and T from 4-5 willyou I gave in and fed her too. Thankfully after that she slept til 6.50. I think the variable night sleep so variable day sleep is now a vicious circle so the plan is to try to give her one lunchtime sleep of no more than 2 hours. It's going to be tricky some days as she'll be in car or pushchair before then but hopefully it will all come together. I met someone who's 10.5 WEEK old sleeps 8-7!!

Dd slept 7-7 from 12 weeks. I was really smug as it showed what a great parent I was gringrin

WLmum Wed 12-Mar-14 22:14:58

Haha spotty

ddas Wed 12-Mar-14 22:20:36

nutella did the quiche have tomatoes on it? Very common for kids to get a reaction from tomatoes where face around mouth gets red. the actual skin rather than a tomato stain of course lol. Especially common in kids with eczema. Egg allergy common too but only way is to try something with very few other incredients in it to see exactly what causes the reaction. Although as long as no swelling or respiratory symptoms ie wheezy not much to worry about except some vaccines not recommended with severe egg allergy.

My mum's nearly 70 too, grandparents now passed away but were in their 90's.
Round here we are considered very very young parents at 30 confused & doesn't help that I look 20 rather than 30.
My mum will be 70 soon whilst dh's mum is early 60's and amazing what 10 year difference has in their outlook when they look after the kids & also what they can do- my mum would struggle with the 2 physically but dh mum manages fine.

ddas Wed 12-Mar-14 22:21:36

spotty when dd outgrew her early wakings was she already in a bed on her own?

ddas Wed 12-Mar-14 22:23:40

Ds still in the cot set up of his cot bed which had planned to carry on till past 3yrs but now thinking maybe should put in down so he can just play in his room if wakes early although may just cause more problems!!

ddas Wed 12-Mar-14 22:24:49

spotty & wlmum think you 2 are the closest: wisely gardens now has a new soft play in the cafe area.

PurplePidjin Wed 12-Mar-14 22:49:02

WL If R had arrived when planned, dp would have been over 50!

halestone Wed 12-Mar-14 23:22:32

Ddas i am the same i am nearly 30 but look much younger i still get asked for ID for the lottery. I got some glares while i was pregnant from people assuming i was a young mother, which is surprising as being close to 30 is considered old as a first time mum where i am.

Pidj my mum had me young, she was due to get married in the April i was born and had everything booked, it all quickly got changed to a January wedding instead.

I always just assume people are lying when they say their young babies are sleeping through. I think this stops me from killing them.

I look younger than I am too. A lady in the bank told me I looked too young to have two children hmm

Ddas dd had her cot bed converted to a bed when she was two. We had months of her coming out of her room when we put her to bed, but we needed the cot for ds. She went into a big bed when ds was about 12 weeks. The early earrings have been since that but it was just a phase.

Dd just wet herself on purpose (we'd just discussed whether she needed a wee or not and offered to take her but she kept saying no). I'm really struggling to contain my anger. It's gone all the way through our sofa cushion and I'd just put a load of washing on angryangry

WLmum Thu 13-Mar-14 07:26:49

Grrr spotty. My head says ignore it as it's probably about the attention but I know that's easier said than done!
ddas I think it was you asking about gro-clocks? We found the kidsleep worked wonders (the travel version rather than the plug in one) for dd1&2 from about 2 yo. They understood they could only get up when the lamb did whereas before when they woke at 5 and I'd put them back they'd call out every few minutes asking if it was time yet! I also ended up giving them a morning treat (ou

WLmum Thu 13-Mar-14 07:30:45

(Couple of choc buttons) if they stayed in bed until lamb o'clock! I still do it even though dd1 is nearly 7! On the odd occaision there's been shenanigans so one of them hasn't got the treats they've been so sad that got right back to staying in bed! They're clocks are set for 6.45 as later is unrealistic for them. I like the kidsleep clock as it is silent when it changes from one pic to the other unlike the ones with opening eyes and the light is bright enough to be obvious but not bright enough to wake them should they decide to sleep longer!

I knowsad then she pushed ds over and dp isn't talking to me because he said I was horrible to her (I shouted)

Barbeasty Thu 13-Mar-14 08:54:47

Spotty DD went through a phase of this a while ago, it lasted for about a month. Every time she didn't get her own way, a few minutes later she would have an "accident".

We would send her to her room, and make it quite clear that since she hadn't even tried to get to a toilet then it wasn't an accident. So if she was just a bit late getting there we would reassure her. But it was obvious the link to not getting her own way.

It gradually stopped of its own accord.

I don't know what else to suggest, but agree that the fact she followed it up by pushing her brother over says she was after a reaction from you.

Is there anything worrying her? Or is she just going through a phase?!

A is a cunning little so-and-so. At home he doesn't want to feed himself very often (and then only with his hands) and if we leave him alone with a plate or bowl of food then it rapidly gets emptied on the floor so he can bang the plate on the table/tray. Even strapped into his highchair he'll wriggle and try to get away.

Yesterday DH did the nursery drop off and had to go back into the room where the babies/toddlers were having breakfast about 5 mins after he'd left A there. He found him sitting still at the table on a proper (little) chair, feeding himself cereal with a spoon. Apparently he looked guilty when he realised DH was watching.

2blessed Thu 13-Mar-14 13:07:00

Hi All, hope everyone is ok and poorly DMs and DCs are on the mend.

Been so busy juggling work, DS, pregnancy back ache and other family commitments.

Congratulations utopian
Hope DD is feeling better spotty

DS is starting to sleep better. We�ve stopped giving him milk when he wakes up in the night and he seems fine. I�ve got a climber on my hands, which is really keeping me busy.

Will pop back on a bit later, off for a lunchtime stroll.

It's the first time she's done it I honestly think she just couldn't be bothered. She's always pushing ds over so no change there. Having an awful day with her hmm

WLmum Thu 13-Mar-14 19:36:49

spotty hope your day got better. All 3 of mine have been quite challenging today. T fell off a slide at playgroup today, landed on her face - double nosebleed and bleeding lip ��. She was ok after a while.
And after a really good sleep last night - 8 - 6.45 with a quick feed at 4.45 (I was too tired to argue) she's only had 2x 30 mins naps. Will see what tonight/tomorrow brings!

MrsNutella Thu 13-Mar-14 19:57:34

spotty there must be something challenging in the he air - maybe it's the start of spring and instead of mad March hares we have mad march children?

WL DS's sleeps today have also been too short I need a break he has been driving me nuts all week though. His first 4 molars are almost all through bar one upper one. Those two upper ones seem to have given him the most trouble. He will be fine one minute and then screamy and biting his finger the next.

I definitely left my brain in bed this morning. I have really struggled all day! This morning trying to leave the house I could only find one of DS's shoes. Then I couldn't find his water. Then I remembered his jacket was downstairs in the tumble dryer.
This evening the tumble dryer performed some dark magic and half the washing was stuck in a bundle to the top of the tumble dryer which I missed and DH found. And I've lost my door keys somewhere..... Urgh thank goodness it's almost bedtime!!!

Oh dear Nutella!

She calmed down at about 3:30 when we went to the playground. She was horrible and I reacted badly. Tomorrow is another day though and I'm working 8-6:15 so won't have to deal with anything!

Ddas do you know how long they will keep ds in for after his general anaesthetic? (Day surgery).

MrsNutella Thu 13-Mar-14 20:30:04

Oh, and thank you ddas. I think you might be right with a tomato allergy/intolerance.... Is that one that he's likely to grow out of too? I might go and ask dr google.

Oh dear Nutella, cup of tea and bed for you.

Hope T's face is okay WL and that your couch isn't too stinky Spotty!

I have nothing to report, no night time wakings is a dismal failure. He's gone from 1 to 2 hmm

I've barely seen him today as I have a mad rush job on at work. I have to physically go into the office again tomorrow so it's another long day and horrific traffic on the way home. <Sigh>

We've had a leaflet through the door saying they're doing a trial run of a fish and chip van in our village on a Friday afternoon/early evening! I'm quite excited about this as we usually have to drive 15 minutes to buy any sort of food grin

I'm having a serious hot flush, my cheeks are burning like when I've been drinking wine blush I haven't though....

WillYou sorry your night waking a are back. I don't know what to suggest.

WL poor t I hope she's ok!

WLmum Thu 13-Mar-14 21:49:16

nutella bed bed and more bed for you!
willyou oh no! Could it just be a reaction to the change? Hope he settles down soon.
T seems to be fine but I keep expecting her nose to be bruised and purple.

ddas Thu 13-Mar-14 23:15:43

spotty http://www.ouh.nhs.uk/patient-guide/leaflets/files/5744Pinguinal.pdf

Is this Southampton that you're going to? They'll have similar guidelines are likely have a patient leaflet of their own.

ddas Thu 13-Mar-14 23:16:04

It not this

Thanks ddas, yes it is. I'm trying to work out if I should ask my parents if dd should stay at theirs. We have to be there at 12:30 but have no idea when we'll get in. We got some leaflets but nothing on the recovery time or specific to the operation.

5:30 wake up call hmm

For anyone with older children (ddas and WL there's one at Alice Holt www.dragonsandfairydust.co.uk/gruffalo-forestry-commission/

Barbeasty Fri 14-Mar-14 07:55:21

Ouch WL

Here's to a better few days Spotty. I think rising 4 is like the terrible 2s with talking back. It's still boundary finding, but I guess as they're growing up (and becoming older siblings) we're moving the boundaries a bit. And maybe the stuff with your DP's parents is affecting her a bit.

WillYou the last 3 nights we've had 1,4 and 2 wakings. No logic at all.

But DD snuck into our room when i was putting them to bed, and carefully put one of her teddies in our bed "so that A can cuddle it if he decides he wants to go to your bed in the night".

Very sweet.

WLmum Fri 14-Mar-14 08:42:43

Woo-hoo 6.30 wake up! I was actually awake before her! I did give her a quick feed at 12.30 as I thought she might have woken herself up rubbing her sore nose on the mattress.
Ah beasty that's cute. Dd2 is quite trying at the moment and she's rising 4. She was never a terrible 2, was always sweet and lovely but she's been a fearsome threenager. Mega sensitive about everything basically rather than bad behaviour, but lots of tears about nothing which is quite wearing. Luckily she's pretty much always nice to T. It's fab that they both love her so much but makes her in bed morning feed tricky with the big 2 fighting to get next to her and stroke her, play with her, kiss her etc!
spotty when is ds's op? I'd be tempted to get dd to stay over somewhere so you can solely concentrate on ds without her becoming jealous. And maybe even give yourself 5 minutes peace as you'll be knackered and a bit wrung out I'm sure.

WLmum Fri 14-Mar-14 19:03:10

DH has been a bit useless and annoying today and we're off out with loads of his family for a 60th meal in a min. Smile!

Barbeasty Fri 14-Mar-14 19:19:30

Wine, WLmum. And lots of it!

It's Southampton. Yes I think I might get her to stay at my parents.

Ds is poorly. He's been vomiting since five and has a fever. First round was proper sick now it's just sputum and he's had a grand total of one dip of water. Any advice?

PurplePidjin Fri 14-Mar-14 19:41:08

Let me know if you need coffee and moral support during any waiting around bits Spotty thanks

Barbeasty Fri 14-Mar-14 20:21:37

Spotty can you get a grandparent to invite her for an exciting, treat sleepover. So she is having a good time and not "missing out"? I know it would make DD's week.

So long as she isn't going to eat the fish fingers and chips that are served while he's still under anesthetic, so he has to have a jam sandwich on yucky brown bread which he hates.... Still bitter after 30 years, me? Absolutely!

As for sickness I think just keep offering the water. And once it eases off a bit maybe some dry toast or a banana. Little and often.

halestone Fri 14-Mar-14 21:12:23

Spotty, how is he now? Is he at all dehydrated? If your worried i would ring OOH for advice. I hope he's better soon.

WL, i hope you enjoy the family meal.

we have just had a really really busy shift at work my feet are killing.

ddas Fri 14-Mar-14 23:03:27

spotty I'd get someone to look after dd as unpredictable when you'll go in although sounds like you're on the afternoon list but he could be the last one. Ds might take longer to recover post op etc & you don't want to be worrying about dd as well even if she can play in their play area.

ddas Fri 14-Mar-14 23:15:13

Hope ds is better. Little & often clear fluids- google oral fluid challenge for a guide. Keep eye for rashes & if worried just see someone. Hope it passes quickly.

WLmum Fri 14-Mar-14 23:50:57

spotty one calpol syringe of water every half hour, if he keeps it down, one every 20 mins, then 10. That way you know how much he's actually had whereas a sip can be variable. Hope he's feeling better by now though.

Dd's going to my parents anyway, def wouldn't have her come, just wasn't sure if she should stay or not. I think she should though.

Ds slept all night has just woken up. Still feels a bit warm will see how he handles breakfast.

ddas Sat 15-Mar-14 07:24:28

Yeah if anywhere close to end if list, by time he's ready to do home and then you drive back from Southampton you'll be knackered & she might be asleep by then anyway.
Glad ds is better.

He's going to be starving!! I have no idea how we are going to cope with nil by mouth for minimum six hours sad

ddas Sat 15-Mar-14 08:01:08

Kids are funny things. After waking up at around 5.30 all week ds has just woken up at 7.30!! Dd up at 6 but that I can handle- for some reason struggle with anything before 6 even if 5.50 lol

I agree, before six just seems wrong! Ds has been back in bed for half an hour.

Hey peeps, StBX DP's gone for good this morning. He's "really tried" but just doesn't want to be together anymore.

Trying to work out when he can have him etc so that it had the least impact on DS and how much time I get with him. That's fucking killing me actually, that I'll have to had over DS and not see him whenever I want.

I'm okay considering, but haven't rung my mum and dad yet. Can't cope with them being angry at him, just need to lick my wounds. Will have to call them soon as they were supposed to be babysitting tonight. Ho hum.

Really sorry to hear that WillYou sad

Re contact, it's a difficult one. If it was dp and I there would be no way ds would be staying away over night. Even though I know he'd be fine I think I'd want him to be a bit older.

PurplePidjin Sat 15-Mar-14 12:32:32

<<WillYou>> I would have them babysit anyway, is there a friend you can escape to for a few hours? Drink wine, talk about superficial crap, watch a silly movie...

halestone Sat 15-Mar-14 14:55:16

Willyou, i agree with Pidj still let him go to your parents and go out with a friend. I really hope your ok and we're here to give support when you need it. flowers

In regards to contact, at the moment i would explain to him that he can see J still but tell him that you can make the decision with him as to when on a week by week basis. That you don't want to set out a timetable that is set in stone as both your emotions will be too raw and it isn't an ideal time be making long term decisions. But as soon as you feel ready then you can both discuss a contact arrangement that suits you both.

I really hope your ok and i am sending some unmumsnetty hugs your way. Don't think about anyone elses thoughts or opinions just concentrate on your own and getting over him day by day.

Thanks peeps. I've just had a couple of friends round and my mum n dad will probably turn up shortly as I just rang them. They were supposed to have him here so I didn't want that.

I don't have anyone I can go to tonight as my friends have kids or are away on a hen do. I'm feeling not too bad at the minute. It's better than treading on eggshells and wondering when he's going to leave me. Sure it'll be worse later but I don't think I'll have any wine as it may open the floodgates a bit too far!

Barbeasty Sat 15-Mar-14 17:54:36

Then have a cup of tea with your DP instead WillYou. It sounds trite, but at least now you can plan for the long haul, and start thinking about what access etc you want for the future.

Poor DS. Yesterday MIL shut his fingers in a door, so they're a bit swollen and cut. And today he fell over and grazed his forehead on the gravel in the garden.

Christ he's texting how much he misses us. I'm staying strong but it's taking everything I have. I wouldn't take him back, at least not straight away. I think he needs time in his mums cavern if misery to stew and see how fucking fabulous he had it. I don't want someone who isn't grateful for the wonderful family he has every second of every single day. We deserve better.

He also wants DS from 9:45-5 tomorrow. He can kiss my arse.

I've let DS fall asleep in my bed, and if he cries he can come in here then too! I get to do what I think's best for him and no one can tell me otherwise.

Can you turn your phone off? How dare he be texting you that!! I'm angry on your behalf. Yes he def doesn't get ds for over seven hours tomorrow hmm lots of thanksthanksthanksbrewbrewbrewwinewinewine for you

WLmum Sat 15-Mar-14 19:40:34

willyou. You sound like you are doing amazingly well. I'm so sorry this has happened. As you say, be prepared that it might hit you later but while your feeling ok might be a good time to think about some of the practicalities - access, finances etc.
Poor ds beasty
Found out today that I will have to work late on my birthday next week and be stuck interviewing all day. Splendid!

WLmum Sat 15-Mar-14 19:45:39

That's so unfair willyou. Clearly he still doesn't really know what he wants. I'd be tempted to tell him not to contact me again until he does (although I know that's not possible with ds). Absolutely cuddle ds all night long if you want to. That does seem like a long time away from you just now. Go with whatever you are comfortable with for now. Poor you.

That's rubbish WL. Can you make up for it the day after?

Ds is much better although still has a temp, not a fever though.

That's no fun WL. Just don't schedule a fast day that day so you can have a nice birthday tea.

The message has done it. First I was angry now I'm just crying my bloody eyes out in the bath. I was okay because I know in the long run everything will be fine. I'll be happy, DS will still get to see his dad and the world will go on turning. But right now it's fucking shit. What an absolute bastarding arsehole! Thank Christ I didn't let him talk me into another baby or I'd be pregnant, with a toddler, being dumped.

WLmum Sat 15-Mar-14 20:33:01

Oh bless you. Your attitude is spot on. You know in the end it will be ok but for now let yourself be sad, angry etc.

WLmum Sat 15-Mar-14 20:33:49

Absolutely will not fast on my bday and will have cake for breakfast, lunch and tea!

ddas Sat 15-Mar-14 21:00:33

So sorry willyou but sounds like it's been a bit like limbo since the first time he left & came back so maybe better this way in the long run so at least you know where you stand- although will feel awful in the short term.

ddas Sat 15-Mar-14 21:01:30

& can't believe he's texting you that he misses you too!!! I'm angry for you. He can't have it both ways!!

I know, I'm ignoring. Nothing I text will change anything so there's no point saying anything.

halestone Sat 15-Mar-14 23:18:11

Oh Willyou he sounds like he's being a selfish fucknut! He definitely shouldn't be texting you. As you say he needs to spend time at his mums to see how wonderful his life is with you and also so he can get his feelings in order. I hope your enjoy your cuddles with DS tonight. Could you maybe go out for a pub lunch with your parents tomorrow it may take your mind off things for an hour or so.

Beasty, Poor A i hope the swelling goes down soon. We find H is very injury prone as she is always running full speed into something.

WL, cake for breakfast is a birthday staple sorry the rest of the day will be abit rubbish though.

Work has been so busy tonight, but my boss told me she had noticed that i am always restocking or cleaning up if it was quiet and that she appreciated it. She made me a full victoria sponge cake on thursday as well, i think i may have the best boss ever smile

utopian99 Sun 16-Mar-14 07:10:48

Oh willyou I'm so sorry about your dp. I do think he sounds like a bit of a limp idiot and the texting is definitely best ignored. Hold on to ds and just know that you deserve so much more. And lean on friends and family as much as possible.

wl CAKE. And cake. and more cake that's all I have to say about that..

Glad ds is getting better spotty, O is better this morning after a filthy cold but dh has it even worse so have dispatched us both downstairs. O is pounding away on his grandfather's electronic keyboard (thankfully turned off so no mad organist yet today..)

hales your boss sounds awesome.

WLmum Sun 16-Mar-14 08:21:36

How are you doing this morning willyou?
hales what a lovely boss you have.

Babies are so gross - T just sneezed on my leg and then licked it off! Will remind her of that when she brings her first boyfriend home!

Hope you got some sleep WillYou thanks

Hales that's lovely! My boss is a wanker an acquired taste wink

Hardly got any sleep. Dd came into our bed at 2 hmm ds woke at 3 and 5.

halestone Sun 16-Mar-14 10:42:52

WL that sounds gross, but i probably would of laughed.

Utopian, i hope you DH is better soon.

Willyou, how are you feeling today?

It's actually verging on hot here today. Think we will all just be wearing t-shirts after lunch, best get the sun cream out!

Maryland2013 Sun 16-Mar-14 17:04:52

Oh Willyou that's really shit, we're all here for you. I hope you are ok today.

We have had a crappy weekend. DH fucked off on a golf weekend despite me and DS being really poorly and couldn't even be bothered to come back early today to help out. Grrrr.

I think I'm going to book a spa weekend so he can see how hard it is to look after him and keep him entertained on your own. Ladies with 1+ kids I honestly don't know how you do it!!!

I'm okay. He came and took DS swimming and brought him back after lunch.

He wanted to come back but I said no. I think even if in the long term it can be worked out etc, he needs to be at his mum's and work out what he wants/feels is missing from his life. I cannot do this again so it has to be the last time.

He'll be having DS Monday night (as that's the night I usually only get in just before bedtime. And then I'll meet him at nursery as my car is fucked and it's booked into his work for fixing. I'd book it somewhere else but i need

It done quick and I don't know anywhere else that won't rip me off.

It's a good job you've got your head screwed on WillYou as he's well and truly messing with you sad

I know. He is mr overreaction, he isn't happy so he jumps ship, he goes to his mums n realises he's miserable so he wants to come home. I've told him to think about it long and hard for a good few days and come talk to me like a grownup.

I'm coping because I don't think he actually means to fuck me about. I think he's just completely fucked up by his own less than ideal childhood that he's never ever dealt with. (I know this makes me sound a mug but I'm really not excusing him, he's been a twat too).

His weekends up to the age of 11 were spent sat on the pavement outside the pub while his dad got wankered all weekend. After 11 he was free to fend for himself. I think the fact that you're supposed to spend a lot of time as a family and how hard family life actually is (when done right) has come as a massive shock.

We'll see what happens, he's at his mums anyway, I asked him to go at about 4ish (he'd been here from 2) as it's bloody exhausting trying to be neutral. I spent half my time wanting to beg him to come home and half my time wanting to boot him in the knob grin

MrsNutella Sun 16-Mar-14 19:16:23

willyou big hugs!!! He is being a total dick splash and I think you have the patience of a saint!
If his childhood was that bad he really probably should seek some sort of professional help otherwise he'll never figure out what people really expect a "normal" family to be like.
How you didn't boot him in the bits I don't know. But your DP does remind me of terminally miserable ex. I'm sorry I have no help to offer but I'm here if you need to rage smile
I understand and agree he doesn't mean to be an arse; but that's not your problem. You need a DP who you can rely on and trust in every situation.

hales a boss that makes you cakes sounds awesome! Very jealous! I'm going to ask DH if he is in yet so mood for cake.....

DH and I had an awesome dinner out last night. It was so good to have adult time with him in a nice restaurant with nice food and nice service. I honestly cannot remember our last dinner out that was so..... Grown up smile

Glad you had fun Utopian. What did you have? Do you get morning sickness?

I booked a nice restaurant for last night - funnily enough it never got used!

I think I've got all this patience as he's been Mr Reliable-loves-me-to-bits for 10 years. Seriously in that time there's never been 1 fight that lasted more than a couple of hours (probably in part due to him bottling stuff up). He's not tight, would spend his last penny on DS and I and has frequently backed me up in situations against his family/friends etc. The current twatdom is totally out of character, so I'm being understanding to a point!

He's had his last chance though and I'm still not sure if he can make this work, but I will probably give it a try. Once he's sweated a bit longer.

Oops I meant Nutella and I would hope you'd be past the morning sickness point! Bleugh bloody mashed up brain!

MrsNutella Sun 16-Mar-14 19:57:07

willyou if it's family stuff that's messing him up he really needs help - IMHO family stuff leaves the biggest darkest marks IYKWIM. It is really hard. I think you are being amazing!

We went to a Syrian restaurant - which isn't really different (I think) to Lebanese and occasionally Persian or Turkish food. It was pretty tasty.
I'm very lucky and haven't had morning sickness but this pregnancy I have been ill a lot. Any kind of cold going I get it. sad I'm well at the moment though <crosses fingers! hangs charms and reseals protective bubble> smile

Ooh in exchange you get a lovely little baby though! smile

I've never had any of the ones you list but in Liverpool I went to an Egyptian restaurant and in Baltimore I went to an Afghanistan(i?) restaurant. Both yummy but quite similar. Both full of cumin which I love.

Did I say that my trip to Hong Kong in May has been confirmed? 5 days which is scary to think about being away from DS but I will get 1.5 free days in HK with my friend so that should be amazing!

WLmum Sun 16-Mar-14 20:53:35

I love all the food talk! There's a fab Lebanese near here. We had my mums lovely lasagne tonight - she cooked and I hosted for my brother and his family as her house isn't big enough. With just my family and my brothers plus my mum we were 10! Be warned those wanting 3 babies (his 3 are all teenagers though so take up whole person spaces) while my 3 are still quite small

MrsNutella Sun 16-Mar-14 21:13:34

Hong Kong sounds so awesome! Have a great time!

I love anything vaguely spicy and am happy to try stuff out. Spicy (not burning hot) food is one of the things I miss most. German spice racks contain a lot of different... Salt wink

If you want to start a fight in any Arabic/Asian type restaurant a friend of mine says just start a discussion about who invented hummus smile she is Indian and very cheeky. Generally if the serve hummus they will tell you it is from their country or they make it in a different style etc etc.

wl my family is already like that. I'm one of four and only one brother and I have kids so far. I'm sure in the next ten years things will only become more difficult to organise!

Barbeasty Sun 16-Mar-14 21:19:57

WLmum try being MIL with 5 children and 11 grandchildren!

WillYou glad you're being calm and today went ok. Would he have counselling, on his own if not couples?

Very jealous of talk of food. We have some amazing gastro pubs here, but none of the variety you've discussed within about 40 miles of us.

We spent almost 2 hours (certainly saw all of Flushed on DVD) in A&E this evening, because DH was worried about A's fingers. All fine. And we stopped for tea on the way home and they both went to bed straight from the car. A has woken briefly, so just DD to change into pyjamas, but her boots are off now!

Evening everyone, hope we're all ok.

willyou I'm sorry you're having such a shit time, your DP sounds like a knob, sorry. You sound like you're doing ok, hope he realises what he's losing and if you do decide to have him back, he sorts himself out.

I see the consultant tomorrow to hopefully sort out my sterilisation.

I'm bricking it. The person I'm going to see has a reputation for being rather insensitive and not very attuned to his patients needs. I'm worried he will tell me to stop being silly and get over it sad

WLmum Sun 16-Mar-14 22:43:49

beasty glad his fingers are ok. Big families abound! I love it though as although I'm one of three, it was only ever the four of us, all other relatives dead or estranged. I love that my kids love seeing their cousins, gps, uncles etc. dd1 particularly loves a family get together even though she can be shy.
coffee good luck. At least forewarned is fore-armed so if he is insensitive you can brush it off. I'm sure he won't say to stop being silly but at least you can get your case ready to argue if necessary. Fx for you.

Ds has just had a complete screaming meltdown lasting over half an hour nothing I could do to stop him crying. Dp's just taken him downstairs and he's finally stopped. I think he's eating a biscuit hmmgrin

utopian99 Mon 17-Mar-14 06:00:32

So impressed with your stoicism willyou; l agree with the others re childhood issues. My parents had a really rough few years when I was about 11-13 due to issues on both sides and actually got separated twice, divorced once, and are now back together and happily married for almost a decade after counselling. Both of them swear by it.

O woke at 5.15 today and is currently semi asleep but clutching the strap on my pyjamas vest. Anyone else's dc developed a bit of a boob fetish only since weaning? He doesn't want a drink, just a grab.. hmm

Ds was awake 10:15-12:30 then woke up at 1:45, again at 4:55 and didn't really go back to sleep sad

ddas Mon 17-Mar-14 08:09:49

spotty oh no- sounds like a lots of coffee day!

utopian we stopped for all of 4 days and dd now back to a once a day bf (plus her cows milk). Doesn't stay on long just appears to be a comfort thing more than anything and has become obsessed with my nipples!!

coffee hope it goes well but be prepared for them to likely be difficult about it as it's a big decision and they'll want to make sure no doubts especially as relatively soon after you've had a child so feelings can change. They will also probably ask why you want sterilisation rather than dh as it would be easier, safer & more successful in a man.

Utopian I'm afraid at almost four dd is obsessed with my boobs too hmm

MrsNutella Mon 17-Mar-14 11:04:23

spotty here brewbiscuit and why not some thanks to make you smile smile. DS has been super kind lately and is sleeping rather well <touch wood> thank goodness.
Hope you get a great nights sleep tonight to make up for it.

utopian agree with the others. DS will stick his hand down my top if it's low cut and I lean forwards. Because I'm also now wearing pregnancy bras he has room to sort of wriggle his hand around in there which he seems to find fascinating hmm
How are you feeling? I'm feeling much less agile already when I try and get up from the floor and chase DS around.

Those with climbers, how bad did it get and do they grow out of it? DS is terrible but it also seems futile pointless to constantly lift him down.
I've just enjoyed a coffee with three little chocs after this morning's therapy session has made me feel great smile. Can I have cake for lunch?.... Even though it isn't my birthday smile

He's still got a fever and has an ulcer on his tongue?!

Ds is a climber and I let him get on with it. Dp tells me off hmm but I can't watch him 24/7. He stands on the halfway bar on the handle of his pushalong walker and stands on the little table...

I had to buy a birthday card earlier and ds held it, walked up to the counter (with me trying to steer him clear of the vases!) and gave it to the lady smile

halestone Mon 17-Mar-14 14:52:21

Spotty i have an ulcer on my tongue its huge, its actually quite painful its been there since friday and i am struggling to eat properly due to it. I havn't eaten anything hot at all as when i tried it hurt yes i know i'm a huge wimp

Utopian H is also obsessed with boobs everyone has there boobs patted twice by her whilst she says boobies. Then she swops to putting her finger in their belly button.

Willyou, i hope your feeling ok today.

Beasty i'm glad A's finger isn't anything sinister.

Barbeasty Mon 17-Mar-14 18:28:37

A finds it hilarious to tweak my nipples, DD is more interested is exposing hers!

He's wandering around with a flashing led sword that DD got last year at the fireworks. He's fascinated by the patterns it makes.

And we have a new word: shreddies. Said with shrieking and gesturing towards the box.

Hales can I recommend you avoid TCP with your ulcer!

Barbeasty Mon 17-Mar-14 19:47:33

A is still babbling and squawking to himself. Apparently not tired. And the trick DD had taught him is to hold onto the side of the cot and jump/bounce on his bed. Grrr! Every time I go near the room he gets up to show me!

I don't care if he takes a while to sleep, so long as it's a good sleep when it comes!!

beasty that shreddies thing is cute!

ddas you we're right, my hospital appointment was a bit difficult, as well as a waste if time.
Because of my age, 30, I'm considered very young for sterilisation so it has to be the consultant who says yay or nay, not the registrar who the appointment was with. The silly woman spent most of the time trying to convince me to get the coil fitted, as apparently young people don't really know what they want angry.
Yet every time I tried to explain my reasons, she spoke over the top of me and didn't seem interested at all. She gave me a load of leaflets about the coil and I have to go back again in a month to see the consultant. Grrr!

MrsNutella Mon 17-Mar-14 20:03:33

Beasty yay for older siblings! confused fx for good sleeps later.

spotty cute that your DS took the card and handed it over. That is impressive. I think I would need a back up card

DS managed a "goggie" today awwwww he is soooo cute! He loves animals.
He is also picking up signing really well. Mostly for food. I'm going to buy some biscuits just to see him do a different sign grin

Hmm it's tough coffee. If I was 100% certain I didn't want children I wouldn't get a coil.

Ds still doesn't say anything hmm but babbles as if he's having a full on conversation grin

WLmum Mon 17-Mar-14 21:45:28

coffee it must be really hard for you and I really hope it works out the way you want but do remember they will see other people that aren't as clear as you so they just have to be certain.
nutella that's cute. I absolutely love the learning to talk phase. T still doesn't really say anything but makes the odd attempt and sometimes babbles insistently - she was hilarious pointing and shouting at the troll on each page when I was reading the 3 billy goats gruff to dd2.

PurplePidjin Mon 17-Mar-14 21:58:05

R has loads of odd words and I don't know why he's picked up those specifically - bubble, blue (which apparently is all colours hmm even though he can point to the correct one from a choice of 3!), nana (banana), cat, mummy, dada and today Cue, which is Thank You grin

Hey all.

Sorry your appt was hard work Coffee, I suppose it's good that they make sure that you're sure.

Lovely to hear of all the cuteness. J has started to dance, his favourite is a good twirl, I think they must do it at nursery as I don't dance with him much.

Feeling a bit sad tonight. DP turned up at 7am and begged me to take the day off to talk but I just couldn't. I'm mad busy at work. He still took the day off and had J and when I got home he said he'd thought about what id said and he did need to be at his mums for a bit longer to sort himself out. Even though it's what I think he needs, it's just so sad being here alone again.

Dd had a full on tantrum at 1:30 this morning because dp got get water instead of squash (she only has squash because when she was 18/24mo she'd go all day without drinking otherwise). I'm really cross that she did it, screaming and crying. But at the same time I don't know why dp gave her water?!

Dd was awake from 11:15 until almost 1.


WillYou it must be so hard for you thanks

Barbeasty Tue 18-Mar-14 05:47:06

Ouch Spotty. Was DP just on middle of the night autopilot?

WillYou keep strong! At least he's thinking.

A only woke up twice, but fed for 40 minutes each time.So now I'm tired and running late.

No we'd run out of squash but we've got a cheap bottle (which isn't very nice but is fine) but he didn't want to use that...! I'm running late too but not sure why confused

ddas Tue 18-Mar-14 06:39:29

Sounds like you had another bad night spotty. Scared to jinx it but last few nights have been really good, dd has slept through and ds early wakings have spontaneously resolved.

coffee sorry it didn't go as you hoped. Try to not get frustrated as they've got to keep in mind that research shows that regret rates higher in the under 35's and in the period after having a baby. Even though you know you're sure they would have seen other people change their mind and have to practice safety. Wouldn't use a coil though if it was me as too high a failure rate. spotty wasn't ds a coil pregnancy? if I didn't want to get pregnant I'd get the implant which is my plan.

ddas Tue 18-Mar-14 06:41:20

Dd says a few words but not taking half as much as ds was at this age. Trying to remember that her speak isn't delayed it's just ds talked very early and try not to compare! Easier said than done as I'm a natural worrier lol

Barbeasty Tue 18-Mar-14 07:49:18

I suspect we won't hear shreddies again any time soon. We seem to get a word once or twice and then not again. No is just getting reliable, and "that" as he hands something over (I suspect from adults saying "what's that" as he does it). We were getting something for thanks too, the newest thing is uh oh as he throws something on the floor. Again and again and again!

Mind you, given all the other things he does at nursery but not at home, I expect he's having full conversations there!

Stacks Tue 18-Mar-14 12:55:39

Quick post to get you back on my TIO. Will catch up in a bit.

Yes ds was a coil in situ baby. I'm on depo now as I find it suits best smile

Ds is walking everywhere but will only walk outside holding my hand, and then tries (and fails!) to run

Ddas I'm a worrier too. I know ds will be fine with his speech but dd was talking properly by know so surely something is wrong?! wink

Barbeasty Tue 18-Mar-14 18:51:42

A was really sick this afternoon. When I got to MIL he was fast asleep on her lap and really pale. When he woke up he was really tugging his ear. He's had 2 feeds and went to bed without complaint.

And DD can't hear in one ear and complains it hurts. So back to the Dr with them both tomorrow.

Oh no beasty sad I hope they feel better soon. It seems some children are just prone to ear infections.

I think I'm going to have to go to bed blush

WLmum Tue 18-Mar-14 19:51:30

Happy birthday to me! spotty right now the best pressie would be straight to bed! Will just eat, no jobs and try for 9ish. I've got a sore throat prob caught from dds but I often get one when I'm particularly tired.
Poor minibeasts. Earache is so awful.
willyou you are doing the right thing and I think it was good that you couldn't take the day off - make him stew a bit more. I know you said dp wouldn't consider counselling but I agree with the others that it could be helpful. �� for you.

WLmum Tue 18-Mar-14 20:18:54

Oh dear, there were supposed to be flowers!

WLmum Tue 18-Mar-14 20:20:01

Everyone seen the Adam Hills response to the fb bfing tramp thing? Could I love him any more?

MrsNutella Tue 18-Mar-14 20:39:51

Happy birthday WL I hope you had plenty of good cheer and cake.., if not! I hope you can catch up soon or at the weekend! Can you post a link to the Adam hills thing. I know who he is but google didn't throw up a ref to the breast feeding thing. smile

spotty night night! Fx for sweet loooong uninterrupted dreams.

coffee sorry your appointment didn't go well. I do feel that sometimes it's like a test of will. You have to keep going back and moan and whinge and tell them what you want to make them listen.

Willyou he needs to take his time and think (and I'm sure talk) everything through properly. Can you tell him that you need a break and some peace for a few days or until the weekend? Would he leave you alone for a bit so that you can lick your sounds and think about what you want for your future too? I wish I could be of more practical help. It's a horrible situation to be in with someone dithering about with your life. Big (((hugs))) for you!

Why when DH puts DS to bed does he go out like a light. But when I put him to bed it takes at least twice as long and lots more time comforting DS hmm I've no idea why.
DS also says "nanana" for banana and "nuh nuh" for his dummy. It's easy to confuse the two. smile

halestone Tue 18-Mar-14 21:30:21

Happy Birthday WL flowers cake I hope you had cake for breakfast.

Beasty i hope your DC are feeling better soon.

Willyou, i hope you get the time you need and i'm glad that DP has agreed your right about him needing to stay at his mums for abit.

Coffee my sister is getting sterilized soon but she was at one point discharged by her consultant as he said she was too young (shes 28, only one child) She pestered her GP to get referred to someone else and then had to have a few appointments with them. It took alot of fighting on her behalf.

My ulcer is making eating so painful sad and anbesol is rubbish.

Happy birthday to you, you belong in a zoo, WL looks like a chimpanzeeeeee and she smells like one too flowers grin

Poor sicky babies Beasty, there's a lot of ear infections going around at the minute.

Goodnight Spotty.

He's taken tomorrow off Nutella (my day off too) to spend a bit of time together/talking. After that I may ask him to take DS on Thursday night and then I'll go to the gym pub. He's working Friday and Saturday so I will just let him take DS swimming again on Sunday morning and have a couple of days off from him. I can't imagine not seeing DS everyday so I don't want to stop him having him. He's a being a dick but he's still DS' dad.

DS has started going to bed no trouble too, he has pooed in his sleep though tonight so I'll have a fun time dealing with that whenever he wakes up.

We have lots of good boy, all gone, fall down, peppa, peepo (discernible from Peppa) and a constant stream of hellos.

I have an ulcer too Hales, inside my lower lip. It's so swollen that I'm lisping. Run down I expect.

WLmum Tue 18-Mar-14 21:59:07

Good birthday song willyou!
nutella dd2 called her dummy 'naana' even when she could say dummy perfectly well. I loved it that it was her/our special word. Try this link for the fantabulous Adam Hills

halestone Tue 18-Mar-14 23:10:20

Nutella Breastfeeding link

WL i watched him doing that live and also loved him for it.

Willyou i feel your pain i'm lisping as well, i feel like my tongue is too big for my mouth.

Happy birthday WL!

Good job I went to bed at eight as ds was up at five due to a coughing fit. Big improvement though. I'm considering taking him to the drs but only because he has his op next week I need to rule out infection now...(such a hassle though and I'm meant to be going to my friends hmm)

Lots of poorly babies still! Hope everyone's better soon.

willyou hope you and your DS are doing ok. I've never been in your situation but I imagine it's one day at a time.

WL hope you had a lovely birthday filled with cake

I feel a bit more rational about my hospital appointment now. I understand they have to make sure people are making an informed choice. I've never wanted children if I'm brutally honest and whilst I do love my DS, another one would tip me over the edge. I've been in therapy for years talking about this, it's not a sudden decision for me to want to be sterilised.

My moods are not helped by having been on my period for six weeks! Sodding contraceptive implant up to no good...

Barbeasty Wed 19-Mar-14 19:27:58

Happy birthday WLmum.

A's ok, but he's been a pain with food today. It's been mostly cereal again. Plus raisins.

Then DD got home from nursery and got herself a massive bowl of cereal and used all but a trickle of milk. There's probably not quite enough for a decent cup of tea tomorrow, and the most annoying thing is that she didn't eat all of it.....

But I have to forgive her after our conversation in the car coming home. She was explaining the rules from forest school. They mostly involve things you shouldn't eat- twigs, grass and leaves. And that you shouldn't put mud on your face or other people's. I dread to think what's happened for those rules to exist.

However you can dig a deep hole and jump in it. One of the girls used to have a twin brother, but he dug a deep hole, jumped in and broke through the other side, so she doesn't have a brother any more.

So funny beasty! I was explaining to dd why her bestie has a daddy and a bob (names changed for privacy wink) that her mummy loves bob lots and she said 'soon you and daddy won't live together either' I said that we would still live together and she replied that she's going to live with her bestie as she loves her hmm

Ds has got antibiotics for probably ear infection and possible chest infection. Dr and I both agreed we would have ridden it out but we need him to be well for his op next week.

WLmum Wed 19-Mar-14 20:21:07

spotty poor ds! Hope those abs get to work asap.

utopian99 Wed 19-Mar-14 21:01:24

O escaped for his customary naked run around after the bath today and left a perfect cartoon poo on the floor. Hmm.

In other news, went to look at nurseries for him two mornings a week, as a bit of working time for me and social time for him and the one we like has a 12 month waiting list! Am feeling like a horrific idiot for not sorting this when we completed on the flat in October. It's not the end of the world but I'm normally super anal orgsnised about things.
Also went to look at the Montessori school which I am really keen on in principle but it didn't seem as good in the flesh. Argh!

WLmum Wed 19-Mar-14 21:05:30

My poor nip! T did that awful pull off while still clamped on - with teeth! Ouch it's sore.

utopian99 Wed 19-Mar-14 21:11:43

Oh and hope poor ds gets better soon spotty!

Get well soon wishes to for the poorly babies. Seems to be an awful time for them.

You weren't to know it would have such a ridiculous waiting list Utopian. Hope you find one soon.

Ouch WL, J's done that all week to his bottle teat (2 upper molars and 2 fangs on their way through). I'm so glad it wasn't my nips!

Been to chester zoo today. Pulled my back putting on J's pram sunshade. It just went into spasm for no reason. I actually fell on the floor in agony blush It's still painful but better than it was.

WLmum Wed 19-Mar-14 21:14:01

Oh no utopian are there any others that might be a goer?

WLmum Wed 19-Mar-14 21:17:32

Oh no willyou! Lots of ibuprofen and heat bags for you - oh yeah, and rest! Good luck with that one! I really want to go to a zoo soon. Maybe marwell.

PurplePidjin Wed 19-Mar-14 21:19:13

Utopian I asked at the Children's centre because R will probably qualify for 2+ funding (worth looking into, actually, they're changing the rules in September and loads more people will qualify) - apparently the waiting lists plummet at intake time (Jan, May and Sept) because parents put the kids down in multiple places so they definitely get somewhere. So try again in the few days following the next intake after Easter.

We have all teeth bar one molar shock Thank FUCK it's nearly all over until he hits 2 <phew>

Ds still only has six teeth with three more poking through!

We like marwell WL. Much quicker if you go Winchester way rather than down the motorway.

Ouch WillYou and WL!

Utopian that's annoying about the nursery. Where dd goes (and I want ds to go) they only take from two and you're not allowed to put their name down until they're two as the list gets too big otherwise. Fingers crossed.

MrsNutella Thu 20-Mar-14 07:56:33

Utopian it is pants that child care varies so much. Hopefully pidj's tip will work for you. Or perhaps you can find another way in? Befriend the boss and make them realise how much they need you to be a part of their little family... You never know smile It's been lovely having a child minder for DS. It hasn't always been easy but I know how much he likes to be with other kids. He is one of those strange ones who is happy when there are more people,more noise and much much more to do.

willyou sorry. I didn't mean I would deny him access to DS; but I'd probably rather hand over DS so that they could spend time together without me. Then I could focus more on me and try to get some stuff sorted in my brain.
I had an ex that mucked me around. All seemed well (thank goodness no children) and suddenly the bottom fell out of our relationship. He couldn't cope with "the pressure" (vague wedding, family and future planning). He kept coming back and forth for about 6 months. Then he had an affair and we eventually split. We did have a house together and that took time to sell. Even after he left with another woman (not the same as affair woman) he would still ring me and tell me how much he loved me, how much he missed me, how there was no-one else like me and that he would always regret what he had done to our relationship. So in short, I slowly got the feeling that he would always mess with me and he was a total dick splash. smile
But that's my story and my ex. I hate to see anyone being messed around. You have all my sympathies and I'm sorry if I overstep the mark.

We have almost 12 teeth. 8 at the front then four molars although one molar is only partially erupted. But DS seems to have stopped moaning about them for the minute. Thank goodness. I suppose I have canines to look forward to in a few months... Yay(?)

Barbeasty Thu 20-Mar-14 08:05:00

Utopian could the nursery you like give any hints about where people send their DC while they wait on the list? We have a local nursery that has a year waiting list (people put their names down before birth) and the nursery we use has lots of people who use them while they wait for a place. About half decide to stay even when a space comes up.

Spotty hope DS is better by his op. And I think we might have some interesting conversations coming up with DD because my Dad got engaged yesterday. She's pretty relaxed about various parent/ grandparent relationships, because they're all she's known, but she was really indignant yesterday to discover that her granny was her cousin's granny. And when I added that she was also her "Oxford cousins'" (all 6 of them) granny..... ouch!

I need to have words with DH. He was looking after A and I was getting dressed. DH was upstairs helping DD clean her teeth so I assumed he'd shut A in the sitting room behind the stair gate. Until A appeared in my bedroom.

utopian99 Thu 20-Mar-14 08:05:21

Thanks pidj - think we may be able to get the increased funding so that'll be good, and we're not desperate for the time yet, it's more that we thought O would enjoy a different environment a few times a weekso can hang on and have put him on the list. It would be good if the list gets shorter after easter though!

I've put on 5lbs since I found out I was pg - am heartily disgusted with myself and have just cried all over dh. Time to hit the salad, no chance to get to the gym what with O and work at the moment. sad

utopian99 Thu 20-Mar-14 08:07:52

And for tips from others - keep forgetting to refresh my screen before posting! Also happy late birthday wl!

Equimum Thu 20-Mar-14 18:39:20

Willyou I'm so sorry to hear what an awful time you're having right now.

Belated happy birthday WL.

It's scary when that happens isn't it Beasty? I thought the stair door was closed last week, but then suddenly realised I couldn't hear DS. I found him upstairs, in his bedroom, happily exploring. I felt sick....and that was my fault!

I think we may have molars on their way through. DS woke at 12.30 last night, and apart from a 45 minute "nap" at 4am, he was up for the day! He's then only had an hour sleep all day. Nursery sent him home early because he was so miserable, poor poppet sad

DS is a bugger for just popping up somewhere unexpected! Or I get up for a wee in the morning and when I come back he's stood on top of my dressing table grin

He's being super awesome this week. Just so cuddly and pursing his lips for kisses. This morning I hid behind a towel and he pulled it away and shouted "there she is!" --"er ee eeees" I also found him asleep with one hand stretched above his head straight up in the air. He managed to get hold of his blinds cord, he's obsessed with it. I could honestly be perfectly happy just him and me so I'm just going with the flow wrt DP. If it works out great, if not, I've got the best part of him.

You're not overstepping Nutella but I'm detached atm and in no danger of getting hurt any further. I don't think it's possible to be any more hurt than when your best friend of 10 years and father of your baby suddenly decides that they can't even be arsed to work on your relationship. (Cheating aside ofc) the worst thing is that he said he'd said he was going to try last time but he knew he hadn't actually bothered. So all that effort I put in with someone who I thought was just as dedicated to making it work as me, that was all bullshit.

He's still at his mums.

utopian99 Fri 21-Mar-14 06:27:35

You're being really well balanced about all this *willyou, and so glad ds is being fantastic.

On the er ee eees note - we still don't have what I'd call any identified words beyond the standard da and dat, although he clearly understands a lot of words we say. I'm just wondering whether this is a bit slow or totally normal? And if I can help him at all..

Utopian ds is the same. Mum dada and daa which seems to mean a variety of things hmm. I'm not worried as there's plenty of babbling and understanding. Plus dp didn't talk until he was four...!

I don't think it's anything to worry about Utopian. J says tonnes of things, but mostly just once then we have days of just mum and dada. Both my cousins were referred for speech therapy and by the time they got an appt they were perfectly fine. All kids do it in their own time.

Barbeasty Fri 21-Mar-14 09:48:34

There are a couple of development threads about on chat/aibu at the moment, the consensus there seems to be that they should have 50 words and be starting to put 3-4 words together at age 2. So a while to go yet!

And they'll make leaps at different things at different times. So you might have a baby who has amazing movement or fine motor skills, and someone else has the amazing talker who just won't shut up.

I think if you're getting towards 18 months and there's still nothing I'd go a see the HV, or if there's a problem like constant earache or signs they can't hear properly I might even go earlier.

But for now Mama, Dada and uh oh (whilst throwing something hmm ) will do. Everything else is a one time only, did he or didn't he say that event.

WLmum Fri 21-Mar-14 12:06:53

Was horrible shouty mum this morning. I think the whole street heard me - I'm sure my horrible neighbour was smirking when I saw him a bit ago. Dd2 has basically cried about anything and everything all week and the f

WLmum Fri 21-Mar-14 12:09:14

Final straw came this morning when I asked her to put her socks on - cue melt down 'as she just wanted to do what dd1 was doing' - dd1 was putting her socks on! Since then she's been impeccably behaved!
utopian nothing to worry about - T says about 4 proper words and tries a few others from time to t

WLmum Fri 21-Mar-14 12:12:05

Stupid phone!
Time to time but is very good at making herself understood and understands everything. I'm sure you'll find that once the speech properly starts coming it'll be like a tidal wave - it was with dd1&2 who weren't the earliest talkers but who's speech was generally much better than their peers by age 2. Communicating with him is the best thing you can do to support him.

MrsNutella Fri 21-Mar-14 19:28:11

Equi I hope the teeth aren't giving you too much bother - or sleeplessness.

Willyou your DS sounds super cute! and it's lovely to hear how happy you are together with him. Does he look really pleased with himself every time he climbs onto something? DS does. He usually stands up and then turns to give me a big grin and a bit of a chuckle - he is a total monkey.

utopian how pregnant are you now? I'm 21 weeks and I'm trying hard not to gain as much as last time. I think I've gained 4/4.5 kilos so far. But I try and tell myself that it's ok, I am going to gain weight. I am pregnant (oh and I wasn't totally rid of DS's kilos... And was probably 10 kilos off of a "healthy" weight...). But I'm still going to put some cookies in the oven when I finish this post grin.

I don't think my diet is particularly good or bad and it is frequently interrupted by comfort eating because I have been having so many horrible colds and D&V bugs sad yes I have a horrible cold and sore throat at the moment. I have really really really had enough of being ill. If anyone has any immune system building tips let me know!

WLmum Fri 21-Mar-14 19:47:08

equi hope you stop being I'll soon! It's so hard when being pg suppresses the immune system and the baby steals all your goodness! Rest, good food and fresh air/exercise is about all you can do - other than OCD type handwashing that I do!
I'm sure T has some teeth on the move - she's got 4 fronts top and bottom (8 in total) so due some, and has a red chin - exactly like dd1 used to get. Cute!

WLmum Fri 21-Mar-14 19:48:38

equi if it's any consolation my diet got worse each time I was pg as I was progressively more tired and had less time so comfort ate a lot!

Where I live I often park on the other side of the (extremely quiet) road. Ds always walks holding my hand and dd has started holding his hand too. It's so sweet smile he doesn't really like letting go of my hand outside so when I unlock the front door (and he's standing there) she takes his hand and helps him into the house. I suppose it makes up for all of the times she pushes him over hmm

MrsNutella Fri 21-Mar-14 21:22:52

spotty the hand holding sounds really cute. DS just goes "nuh nuh nuh" which sounds more like a cross between no and nein (German no) if I try and hold onto his hand/ him while out.

wl thanks, good to know comfort eating is approved in pregnancy! I think you need some rest too smile
And the cookies were delicious! Since I thought ice cream wouldn't help my snottyness I had to eat them on their own. The sacrifices we make aye.

Barbeasty Fri 21-Mar-14 21:35:05

A just sits down if you try and lead him where he doesn't want to go.

But DD will take his hand at church and walk him around.

WLmum I'm with you on the shout mum thing, although I just managed to stay cool as DD pushed it to the limits. She's just being so silly at the moment- drawing on the sofa, pictures drawn in lip balm, running around being a dog.....

I think that an occasional shout is good- she listened to you! I resorted to saying that I just don't understand what was going through her head. DD wanted to still be friends.

Just gone into J's room to figs out why he's been so restless all night.

Bit only has his nappy leaked, he also had a temp of 39. Calpol has worked a miracle and he's now gulping down milk. Sore throat and ears doing the rounds again.

Poor j WillYou

Beasty I'm glad dd isn't the only one being a terror....

Barbeasty Sat 22-Mar-14 07:42:46

Honestly, this morning (about 6am and after at least 6 wakings last night) DH asked DD to show me her ballet shoes on her feet so I could check I'd done the elastic ok. What does she do? Shouts up the stairs as loudly as she could.

That's A up for the day then. And thank goodness we're detached!!!

I think they're within a few days of the same age Spotty so it must be a phase- maybe part of an amazing developmental leap where they're suddenly ready for school!

Oh WillYou hope he's better soon.

utopian99 Sat 22-Mar-14 08:07:31

I'm just over 5 weeks Nutella, so no excuse for any weight gain yet! Have lost 2lbs since posting though, while still eating healthy stuff for the Situation (this one's name for now,) so it really was just due to my eating rubbish and snacks and finishing O's leftovers I suspect..

O is super independent in his walking these days but still holds out his hand for very big steps or if he wants to really chase something (usually daddy).

Equimum Sat 22-Mar-14 08:14:41

Um, do you ladies know something I don't. I appreciate all the reassurances about our diet not needing to be great on pregnancy, but I didn't know I was pregnant grin.

Poor J WL. I hope he soon feels all better.

After our horrific night, DS has gone back to being completely himself.

I think shouty mum doesn't hurt occasionally, and is probably better than being a 'stewing' mum sometimes. My parents are always keen to say that they weren't the shouty type, but I do remember lots of angry faces, not talking and 'atmospheres' - an occasional shout would have probably been less negative!

DS is another one who hates holding hands when walking outside. We have one if the animal backpacks, but wit that, he tries to run and ends up either face planting or hanging in mid air grin

And the mystery of the terrible night is solved. J has a horrid cough, he's one giant snot bucket and last night 4 teeth shock broke through the gums. That brings us to 6 partially erupted teeth making him miserable.

I've given him a mini Easter egg and he's stopped wailing. Bad mummy!

WLmum Sat 22-Mar-14 20:03:03

Oops sorry equi think I may have started that rumour! With all the pgs on here I just assumed!

Equimum Sat 22-Mar-14 20:20:06

It's ok WL; just made me laugh

Poor J - 4 teeth at once!!!!!

Barbeasty Sat 22-Mar-14 20:23:29

We have a "magic ball" of treats (the empty plastic ball from the giant lindor DD got me for Christmas), which periodically fills itself. At the moment it's got mini eggs because they're a darn site cheaper than lindor and if we carry A past he points and indicates he wants one.

Ds points at my parents biscuit barrel the second we get to theirs...at 6:30 in the morning!

PurplePidjin Sat 22-Mar-14 20:54:33

R goes straight for Grandpa's bananas as soon as we arrive. If my Mum asks if he wants a biscuit, he goes to the cupboard and points up at it. Once he's been given it, he goes to the little step stool to sit and eat it, or asks to go in his booster seat. At my SIL's if he's playing in DN2's room and you ask if he wants to play in DN1's room he'll take himself off there (she's got the trampoline and a swinging chair, sensory stuff to help her with her ASD). And when we were at MILs and he wanted to go outside she told him they needed the key - so he went to my handbag and got mine out shock i was still in bed, love my MIL

I am truly astonished every day at how much he comprehends. I'm used to teens with LD and needing to make all requests simple and clear - R waving bye bye when a character in one of his books does it truly astounds me, because I assumed toddler communication and understanding would be like my students'. Or maybe that their understanding was similar to that of a toddler. Anyway, they're all little miracles!

Stacks Sat 22-Mar-14 21:14:27

DS comprehends loads of what we say to him, I'm continually amazed by the things he does. Not just when given instructions though. When DH has a shower every morning DS tends to watch (and play peekaboo round the glass) recently as soon as DH turns off the water DS points to the towels and tries to get at them/asks me to pass him one so he can give it to daddy. He's noticed a pattern and inserted himself into it smile

Utopian - he still has no words specific to things though, doesn't even say anything for mum/dad. He can say a very clear "dada" but he says it for all sorts. I'm not sure when you call something a first word though.. Like he says "ta ta ta" when he's trying to steal something he desperately wants, like my phone, but doesn't say it when he wants or gets something normally. I had a chat to the HV when she came over recently, and she said not to worry until he gets to about 18m. He's happy and healthy and developing normally for everything else, and his comprehension shows there's nothing wrong with his hearing, so just give him time.

He also knows where the biscuits live in our house, and can hear the packet from anywhere, no matter how quiet I try and be smile

Ds was funny eaelier. He went and got his shoes and brought them too me and after some pestering I put them on him. Then he walked to the front door and started banging on it!

I've been bitten four times on my leg! There must have been something in my pyjama leg angry it's so itchy

Barbeasty Sat 22-Mar-14 22:00:24

I thought you were going to say it was DS who bit you Spotty, but that's just A's utterly hilarious habit right now.

utopian99 Sat 22-Mar-14 22:39:10

Agree the comprehension is awesome - so much more than I expected. O gets his shoes when I ask if he wants to go outside to play, which shocked me utterly, given the lack of words actually spoken.

He also brought me dh's shoes the other day to show me he could put them on on his own - I think he didn't realise the reason this is easier than his shoes is because the foot-opening is the size of his entire foot!

halestone Sat 22-Mar-14 23:25:45

I agree i didn't expect their comprehension to be as good as it is at this age. H seems to be learning new things and words daily and i am amazed at the things she does and says. I know i am very lucky that she says so many words though even if she never shuts up

I have 12 days out of 13 i'm knackered and i only work part time. I really admire those of you whom work full time.

Willyou i hope J is feeling better soon.

Nutella, i heard that vitamin C gives a good boost to the immune system could you eat/drink more orange?

I also agree that occasionally being shouty mum, is much better that being a stewing mum. Also i think that no mum or dad is perfect and that sometimes our patience is worn thin. When i get to the point where i'm shouting is usually the point where i realise i need some me time.

I'm shocked by how much they understand at this age too.

Last week I said do you want to read the gruffalo? And he went to the book cupboard and brought it to me. Right first time.

He also understands do you want to read your little books? But I save that until I'm truly desperate as they're the one word a page books and he's annoyingly persistent with them! Only lets you read one page before giving you another, and another.

Been out for tea with DP, cried like mad and embarrassed myself horribly in our favourite restaurant. Oh well!

J no better, really poorly with a chesty cough and temperature. Out of hours for us I think tomorrow.

WLmum Sun 23-Mar-14 06:20:04

T comprehends everything, except the need for sleep apparently. Just 2 x half hour naps yesterday, then 8-5.45 last night, with a feed at 12. Yawn.

WLmum Sun 23-Mar-14 13:32:21

After a morning of bike riding and kite flying in going to see if I can sneak a quick 10 mins shut eye!

Ds appears to love cous cous! Still crying for food after a whole bowl with roasted chicken and veg followed by a yoghurt hmm

Barbeasty Sun 23-Mar-14 19:45:04

Well it happened. A disappeared off with DD as we were clearing up after lunch. Next thing there was a thump, thump, scream. A had fallen down the full flight of stairs.

All seems ok. He was shaken, as were we and DD, but no harm done.

DH said afterwards that she had lead him off saying "I'm going to teach you". We now realise she was going to teach him to climb the stairs (which he can already do).

Here's to a night with some sleep (recent efforts have involved 6 wakings) and a quiet tomorrow!

Equimum Sun 23-Mar-14 20:32:01

Oh Beasty, how scary for you! Glad A sea okay.

WL we visited some friend who had a kite yesterday. F was absolutely terrified of it, which is most unlike him. I hope you had more success.

Spotty cous cous is a winner here too....but soooooo messy grin.

WLmum Sun 23-Mar-14 22:23:48

Ouch beasty so glad he's ok. I have to watch my big 2 as they are obsessed with picking T up and particularly dd2 can misjudge an armpit for a neck! It's lovely that they want to 'help' but hazardous!
equi T loved the kites but then her big sisters and idols were doing the flying. Whenever one came down she would pick up the string - it was a race to stop her getting in a tangled mess! There were ducklings in the pond there too so that was super exciting as duck and quack are part of her limited vocab.
I had T in the ring sling a bit today while cooking and it was so lovely - it's such a lovely position for us both - she loves it but I can only do it for a short time before it kills my shoulder.

Poor DS Beasty, you don't realise how well they bounce until they fall down the stairs <voice of experience>

Lonely tonight, I have DS' illness (in me it's laryngitis, I think he has tonsilitis). Working from home tomorrow and taking him to the doctors. Conjunctivitis in both eyes now too.

WLmum Sun 23-Mar-14 22:44:57

Bless you willyou. Hope you're ok. I've got a rl friend going through similar to you right now so I think of you often. I've got big shoulders and ears and mouth xx

halestone Sun 23-Mar-14 22:48:37

Willyou i hope you and DP managed to sort some things out at dinner today. I also hope you and J are feeling better soon.

Beasty, i hope A is feeling ok after his fall, it must have been terrifying for you all.

I didn't get much sleep last night but thats due to my sister not H. My other sister rang me at midnight to ask me to come and pick them up as sister who lives here was so drunk the taxi's would refuse them. It took 4 people to get her in my car i had naively thought only my sisters would be there and went in my pjs so embarrassing which she promptly threw up all over. When i arrived home it took me my sister, DP and my dad to carry her in the house. We had to leave her to sleep in the hall downstairs as we couldn't carry her further. So i had to keep coming downstairs and checking on her.

Been to OOH - ear infection and both eyes infected.

Now to knock him back out so I can sleep!

Poor j WillYou. You def did the right thing. Hope the ab work quickly and you've had some sleep.

Goodness hales shock I hope she was suitably ashamed!

Oh no beasty glad he's ok if it had been us it probably would have been dd pushing ds down the stairs grin

Glad you had a nice day WL. Dd keeps saying she wants a kite. Must get her one as petworth park is fabulous for flying kites.

MrsNutella Mon 24-Mar-14 07:47:45

willyou poor J! Hope the medicines help and he bounces back quickly.

beasty poor A. It's horrible when you slip down a couple of steps. Hope he's ok. I remember my mum telling us about my little brother falling down the stairs when he was 7 months old - now I have DS I know how small and quick a 7 month old can be!

I've just been to see an ENT because my whole throat feels so sore. I wouldn't describe him as having a good bedside manner. He stuck something down my throat that made me almost want to be sick on his shoes. If I have to ever go there again I'll try harder. hmm

Barbeasty Mon 24-Mar-14 08:01:27

Oh dear, brew to all the sick mums and children (can be lemsip, coffee or whatever you need!)

A is fine, haven't even found a bruise on him yet!

Spotty DD was really shaken, almost as bad as A. But when the oldest niece of the family of 6 DC was about 3 and her first sibling was about A's age, DN said to my SIL "Mummy, if xx fell down the stairs it would be just us again, wouldn't it" in a really thoughtful voice.
They're all still alive! (And good friends now too).

WLmum Mon 24-Mar-14 09:50:57

beasty that's hilarious/scary!
willyou poor little J, I do hope he makes a super speedy recovery.
hales bloody hell! That's some drinking! Does she realise how dangerous that could have been? Not to mention selfish etcetera.

halestone Mon 24-Mar-14 10:20:34

Willyou i hope J is feeling alot better now, poor thing its horrible when their ill.

Beasty thats quite a funny story.

Spotty, WL she was too hungover to be ashamed yesterday, so hungover that she made her DH clean my car, but she opened the door for him and put the keys in her pocket. They then decided to go back to Norwich and have drove off with my car/house keys. Luckily i have a spare.

Barbeasty Mon 24-Mar-14 16:40:59

Slightly weird afternoon. We went to playgroup but it was just us there. Literally. The back door was open so we went on in, lights off, heating off. They've done that before if they knew the person running it is not going to be there, but they've always said before - and they have my phone number.

Felt slightly uneasy the whole time we were there. Then we left early because DD was desperate to change into her ballet uniform. We're sitting listening to the rehearsal now.

But I had a text from one of my NCT group, who I haven't seen since Halloween. I'm joining them all for a takeaway on Saturday night. And DD has told me I have to stay in bed on Sunday for mothers day. Bodes well!

Barbeasty Mon 24-Mar-14 16:42:32

And Hales I hope you get the keys back soon. What a pain. I'd be worried the whole time knowing I didn't have a spare nearer!

Dd is wearing her swimming costume to bed as that's what she wanted to wear.

I've just realised I volunteered for overtime next Tuesday when it's dd's Easter party. I'm such an idiot I can't believe I forgot. I feel awful and really upset sad

halestone Mon 24-Mar-14 22:56:26

Beasty, that does sound weird. I hope you enjoy mothers day i've told Dp he'd better not buy me an easter egg this year!

Spotty, oh no is there anyway of cancelling your overtime?

I have had to fight H to sleep tonight, even though she was tired, it ended up with me in her cot with her till she had fell asleep. I felt like an acrobat trying to get out without waking her.

Hales you got in her cot?! I'm quite impressed I probably wouldn't have been able to get out!

I'm going to try and get someone to do it for me so I can just tell my manager I've sorted it. I nearly cried when I realised hmm

Barbeasty Tue 25-Mar-14 07:44:01

Nightmare Spotty.

I've managed to get myself another interview for promotion that I don't know that we could afford. It's the same day as DD's dance show, although that's an evening thing, which means I'll be waiting to hear the outcome the same week as school place announcements. A nice low stress week then!!

I'm shattered. A was up at least 6 times last night, the last time at 4.27am ready for my alarm to go off at 5. I suspect today might be a long day....

Oh you're having a rough time with the sleep Beasty. thanks And brew and cake for you.

Hope you can swap Spotty.

You must be tall Hales, the cot bars come up to my chest, I've no chance of getting in/out grin The image of you made me laugh though!

I had a terrible nights sleep but only because of coughing.

DP stayed in the spare room with DS as I could not physically have done any night wakings last night but didn't want to send DS to his grans when so ill. As it was J just slept for hours in bed with DP then came in with me at 5:30 when he went to work. J is still asleep now so my mum will pick him up so he gets a bit longer in bed. Poor thing hasn't slept for a week.

I have no voice at all and I have a teleconference in an hour. blush It's going to seem a bit odd!

halestone Tue 25-Mar-14 15:15:10

Beasty i think something was in the air last night, H barely slept either. I hope you get a better nights sleep tonight.

No i'm not tall unfortunately i'm only 5.2ft thats why i was like an acrobat haha.

Willyou i hope your feeling better soon flowers was it weird having DP back in the house?

Got cover at work - phew!

No work now until Monday smile

Beasty what a rubbish night for you winebrew

Hope you're feeling better WillYou thanks

I've got an aibu which I would never post in aibu as I totally am

Dp's brother just phoned to asks about Mother's Day. Apparently they are going out to eat Sunday (mil three brothers) and asked if we wanted to come.

Dp obviously does especially as mil 'has been having a really hard time recently'.

Anyway my reasons for not wanting to go (it's 10 miles away):

Ds will two days post op
It's Mother's Day and it will be packed. I hate things like that (selfish)
It's at a Hungry Horse! shock <food snob>


WLmum Tue 25-Mar-14 18:12:39

Yes hales def something in the air - T was up 4 times last night. I've cancelled a drink out with a friend as I'm just too tired. I so want to open the wine but will wait until after the dds are in bed.
beasty wish some of your interview-ness would rub off on me - I've applied for at least a dozen jobs over the last few months and not even been called

WLmum Tue 25-Mar-14 18:13:49

Once. Had a most frustrating day today - I have to keep reminding myself sept is not that far away.

PurplePidjin Tue 25-Mar-14 18:39:23

Spotty I would suggest that the infection risk 2 days post-op would be too great for you to risk ds's health wink

I've got an interview next week shock I wasn't even looking particularly hard but this would be an actual career rather than a money making thing so worth trying for (I'm a sahm because I refuse to go to work looking after other people's dc while paying someone to look after mine. On minimum wage. With 8 years experience and a fucking NVQ3 so therefore vastly more qualified than the majority of the workers looking after him) not bitter at all oh no

Barbeasty Tue 25-Mar-14 19:33:00

Purple good luck.

WL careful what you wish for. I first applied for internal promotion 7 years ago and have had at least 4 interviews a year, apart from the 18 months combined maternity leave. I've failed to get interviews only twice (but I'm a qualified, experienced female so they daren't not interview me!)

I've been "2nd choice" more times than I can remember, fairly certain I was first choice once but they were made to appoint someone else middle aged man the person who vetoed me worked with previously , and only been successful for 2 sideways moves in all that time!

But sending you some getting interview vibes, as that seems to be my strong point!

WLmum Tue 25-Mar-14 20:07:35

Well done pidge! Fx for you.
Thanks for the vibes beasty. I stepped out of a corporate job after dd1 and then took a very different job on the strength of it being p/t, not demanding and just enough to pay the bills. It frustrates the hell out of me and is getting ever closer to not paying the bills. I feel totally deskilled sad after 5 years out. In sept dd2 will start school so my childcare will be easier, hence the gritting my teeth til then. Now, where's that corkscrew?

WLmum Tue 25-Mar-14 21:26:42

spotty missed your post (stupid phone) I absolutely wouldn't want to go for all those reasons! The one I think you can get away with though is ds being post op. He might still be wiped/sensitive following ga, and sore etc. Could dp go with dd? That would probably be my solution.