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December 2012: 1st birthdays and 1st/2nd Christmasses

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halestone Tue 17-Dec-13 20:12:27

new thread

halestone Tue 17-Dec-13 20:17:07

WL I would probably tell them but in a jokey way.

Nutella i hope DS is ok. Glad you had a good scan.

Spotty i hope you enjoyed DD's nativity.

FoD i'm glad your Drs appointment went well.

2blessed i hope your ok. We're all here if you need to rant about anything.

Maryland2013 Tue 17-Dec-13 20:23:02

WL definitely tell them or it will go on for years and drive you up the wall!!

PurplePidjin Tue 17-Dec-13 20:24:07

brew <zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz>

Stacks Tue 17-Dec-13 20:25:09

We have a tooth! Well, nearly, it's broken through the gum and feels scratchy on my finger if I rub it. That counts right? 11m 3w for first tooth.

WL they should realise they've got it wrong eventually - you've signed their Christmas cards with T's name spelt right? Depends on your relationship with them I guess, and how much it annoys you.

Hope DS has been ok today Nutella?

WLmum Tue 17-Dec-13 22:42:58

Thanks hales
Oh no spotty - hope you're tucked up in bed, dosed up on paracetamol and are drinking plenty. Hope you make a miraculous overnight recovery.
Oh yes nut hurrah to the scan!

I think I'll see if they notice at tomorrow's bday tea when mil for sure will look at cards from everyone, and if not ill have to say. Dd2 is Alexa but a good friend of mine thinks she's Alexi and now dd2 is 3.5 its rather too late to say anything!

WLmum Tue 17-Dec-13 22:50:47

I'm feeling stressed about nothing. Well actually its about the massive influx of toys about to hit us. I'm a bit of a hoarder and have to work really hard at getting rid of stuff to maintain a sensible level. After Xmas I'm going to fill a big box with toys and store them in my mums garage and then in the summer swap some over and sell/charity shop other stuff.
I really need to send some clothes to the charity too.
I'm a weirdo and feel really guilty about getting rid of stuff that's still got life in it (symptom of a very financially poor childhood?)

utopian99 Wed 18-Dec-13 02:26:41

Think you sound like you have a good strategy for the name issue - maybe it was just a one off on their part? Our nickname for O is Os not Oz, but my mum still writes the latter even though all my texts for months have spelt it our way, I just forget to tell her properly but also I guess nicknames are a bit different to real names.

I shouldn't feel guilty about getting rid of stuff - if it's going to charity it's not being wasted, just relocated? Or you could ebay if it feels like a waste of money?

2blessed Wed 18-Dec-13 06:58:15

Thanks hales

Hope your temp has come down spotty

I know what you mean WL, I'm also a hoarder and getting a bit anxious about the pile of presents that's building up for DS just from DP and I!
I'd also tell mil sooner rather than later to nip it in the bud. I'd be quite lighthearted this time

2blessed Wed 18-Dec-13 06:59:56

Definitely counts stacks! Yay!

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Wed 18-Dec-13 07:51:48

As someone who has family members who still can't spell my name properly after 33 years I'd definitely vote for tell them WL.

Hope you're ok Spotty and make it to London.

Yay for the tooth Stacks. Hope he's not suffering with it though.

BarHumbugBeasty Wed 18-Dec-13 09:49:54

Hope you've woken up feeling better spotty or at least that a couple of paracetamol sort you out!

DD was discharged from orthoptics yesterday. She actually spoke to the dr- we only had to go back because she refused to talk last time and they couldn't check her distant vision.

I'd mention the spelling wl. It's taken a year for SIL to ask if we were using Anthony and not Tony. Which we are. Nothing wrong with Tony, but a) it was FIL's name and I want Anthony to have the chance to forge his own identity in the family, and b) if we start with Tony it will get shortened to Tone and to be quite frank that sounds bloody awful in the local accent.

Suddenly the other SIL is using Anthony too! Just my dad to deal with now, who calls him Ant.

And DH, who is confusing DD by calling him Basil (no idea why). And DD who calls herself something different every day! Lily Allen being a current favourite. Or LaLa, Mama mia and Princess Rose.

I think I'm the only sane one, which is saying something. ...

Roll on home time, when I'll be finished for Christmas. Yay!!

MrsNutella Wed 18-Dec-13 09:53:14

stacks yay a tooth! I wonder how long the next one will take.... smile Hope he isn't too fussy with it.

hales thanks for the new thread.

DS still has a temp of 38. He seems ok in himself just a bit more moany and whingey, which is nice confused. And I just had to put him down for his morning nap three times after the doorbell kept ringing! Thank you hipp baby club for my free stuff but I'd rather have a sleeping baby! It was funny the first time he woke I was cutting his fingernails and he gave me a funny "what are you doing mother?!" Look grin

One thing I did find out at the check up it that my iron is low, that might be why I've been feeling really wiped out lately... Need to buy some fortified juice stuff to try and put it right.

MrsNutella Wed 18-Dec-13 09:58:40

beasty my family have struggled to learn DH's name (Carsten - say it like you see it!) and my married name. I don't know why but my mum insists on over pronouncing all the vowels which is really irritating!

So yes, I think it was willyou? Tell them about the spelling mistake! I love the name Tabitha but in German it sounds pants sad.

Oh, and the latest in the PIL saga, for those that are interested. DH wrote a long and honest email about how they have made him feel, in particular the stress that they have out us under this year. He rang them Sunday night. All is mother did was cry and they basically both feel very hurt and like they have been attacked. So they won't see us for Christmas, they need some distance from us for the moment. Yes, obviously we have been very cruel bad people.... Why are some people so childish?

halestone Wed 18-Dec-13 13:05:09

Stacks that tooth definitely counts. Yay.

WL i feel like that, i have her toys and clothes in bun bags ready to go to charity but it feels like such a waste. All of them were brand new and still have life in them.

Spotty, hope your feeling ok today.

Beasty, your DD makes me smile. Hows A been sleeping?

Willyou i hope the viewing went well.

H had her injections today, i'm such a wimp i cried when she did. In all fairness though DP looked heartbroken too.

halestone Wed 18-Dec-13 13:06:13

Nutella, look on the brightside you get a nice christmas without being manipulated. Once emotions have calmed down i bet everyones relationships are much better.

WLmum Wed 18-Dec-13 14:43:25

Oh dear nut.

I'm desperately trying to get T to have a quick nap before her party - failing so far.

MrsNutella Wed 18-Dec-13 15:42:44

DS still has a temp. Just gave him a paracetamol suppository while changing his nappy. He moaned a lot through the whole nappy change, I've just sat him on the floor and it sounds very much like he needs changing again. My poorly tiny man sad
I wish I could make it better for him.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Wed 18-Dec-13 17:38:43

Oh Nutella how utterly shitty of them. Hales is right though, you do at least get a lovely family Christmas without their drama.

I hope little O feels better soon. It's so horrid when they're whinging all day and you can't do anything to help.

I'd tell them WL. DS is christened James and after his new baby cards we had to tell quite a few people we will always be using Jamie. They were all fine.

Your DD is being hilarious again Beasty smile

We've had a busy day. Trip to town for final Christmas present. It was for my auntie, I don't normally spent much on her but she gave DS £75 for his birthday shock so I feel I need to bump her present up this year. Then it was his first settling in hour at nursery. He was fine, I stayed but he just buggered off to play with the other babies/paint and left me on my own. Leaving him there for an hour on Friday.

MrsNutella Wed 18-Dec-13 17:49:30

DS had paracetamol about 2 hours ago and his temp is still 38.3 sad is it ok to give him ibuprofen now? Want to put him to bed in a minute and when do I worry??

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Wed 18-Dec-13 19:03:11

As far as I know Nut you can use paracetamol and ibroprophen together -one gets the temp down and the other maintains the lower temp I think. I also find it useful to give them two hours apart so you are not having to wait four hours before they can have any more pain relief iyswim. Might be worth getting him checked out though if he's had a temp for over 24 hours.

We have a very proud big brother - N just said something that sounded very like Jacob. I know it was probably a flukey bit of babble, but think I'll let DS1 enjoy the moment grin

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Wed 18-Dec-13 19:09:29

Sorry Nut just realised that's not very clear - U didn't mean wait 24 hours before getting him seen, just that I thought that's how long ago you first mentioned him being ill. I'd trust your instincts and if you're worried see the doctor however long it's been.

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Wed 18-Dec-13 19:12:03

I not U ffs

WLmum Wed 18-Dec-13 19:44:46

nut I agree with ispy.

Well T has had a lovely day. I lost the nap battle and she has been fine all arvo - I'm just trying to get her to sleep - I can't believe she hasn't conked out yet.
Dm made T a cake and always liking a meddle she piped 'Tabitha' down the middle - mil saw and said 'oh I've been spelling it with an a- is that wrong?' So it was all done nicely and quickly.
T was a complete cake monster - scoffed hers and tried for mine.
I've got a cold and feel a bit shit - shattered after tons of teeth related wakes from Tabs and a post jabs 2 am session from dd2. As soon as I get Tabs down I'm going to pour myself a nice big glass of wine.

BarHumbugBeasty Wed 18-Dec-13 20:12:02

Hooray for meddling mothers WL!

And you've reminded me that I should have a drink, since I'm now on holiday!

At the risk of cursing it, A has still slept ok. Although he woke up and wanted a feed at 4.55am, 5 minutes before my alarm goes off. And of course, when I put him in his cot afterwards so I could get up, he screamed the place down. He woke DD up, and so DH agreed to have him in bed with him. He went happily to sleep.

We just had the most immense hale and wind- it sounded as though it was inside the house, and took out the sky signal!

PurplePidjin Wed 18-Dec-13 20:27:19

We had a 1 hour wake up but he woke - check bum, nappy dry - doze off for a bit - cry - calpol and drink - doze off for a bit - cry - change nappy - sleep rather than an hour of solid wakiness iyswim. He hates having a strong teething wee or any poo in his nappy so i bought a 99p potty and we're going to introduce the concept at bath time - dp occasionally holds him on the loo as he doesn't like to poo in the bath and showed clear signals. Not potty training as such, just showing him there's an alternative to nappies fconfused

WLmum Wed 18-Dec-13 20:37:55

Raising my glass to you beasty
Ooh elimination training pidj - it's a very interesting concept and is used routinely from birth by some cultures. Watching with interest.
T was not a happy bunny at bedtime - maybe pesky teeth or maybe overtired (although that hasn't been a problem before). I'll be quick with the calpol tonight.

PurplePidjin Wed 18-Dec-13 21:10:05

I didn't think so, just common sensical approach to yet another thing they have to learn? Might look it up, though

Only ECer i know says she lets hers run around in a fitted nappy no wrap so they can feel the wet. R feels wet on the inside anyway so surely all she gets is piss soaked carpets? I don't know her well enough to ask fhmm

MrsNutella Wed 18-Dec-13 21:13:05

pidj we put DS on the toilet every morning once he is awake and he usually does a good wee and a poo. It took a few days but then he started getting the message. Although he doesn't poo every time. We only do it in the morning because the rest of the time he doesn't seem to have a regular schedule.
I started because a friend of mine does it and I was really curious.

We gave DS the ibuprofen and put him to bed. Poor little dude sad we will be taking him to the dr in the morning unless he has a miraculous recovery (wish he would). Even though it will probably be viral. I hope there is something they can do.

WLmum Wed 18-Dec-13 21:22:59

Wind and rain is wild here too - had to give dd1 the personal CD player with Cinderella on as she was laying awake listening to it and it seemed to be worrying her. Our house has a flat roof so the rain is always louder - I like it though.

jackandjilly Wed 18-Dec-13 21:28:59

Marking my place ladies.wine

WLmum Wed 18-Dec-13 21:33:11

I'd have thought so too pidj!

PurplePidjin Wed 18-Dec-13 21:52:08

I asked The Might Of Facebook fhmm apparently it's not EC because i didn't start at birth fhmm think i might just muddle through this on my own and with you guys laughing at me!

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Wed 18-Dec-13 22:33:48

Apparently DM used to sit us on a potty during nappy changes from when we could sit up. Her thinking was it potentially saved on nappies and therefore laundry if we happened to go, and if not it at least got us used to the idea of a potty. AFAIK DB and I both went on to potty train with no issues. Not sure if it helped or not but I can see the logic.

halestone Wed 18-Dec-13 22:56:00

Happy Birthday T, i hope you've had a lovely day. WL thank god for your MiL spotting it was spelt wrong saves any awkwardness later on.

Nutella i hope DS is ok, and that you are also.

Pidj i quite like that idea so i'm another who will be watching with interest. Nutella do you find that DS wee's every morning on the toilet?

utopian99 Thu 19-Dec-13 00:33:10

We're another one who'll be stalking watching your progress nut and pidj. My gm said she did this with hers and it helped train early, and we're using cloth so he can feel when he's wet, so the theory's there but not sure if I have the rigor to get it right until we move and I don't have station runs in the morning to contend with..

utopian99 Thu 19-Dec-13 00:39:17

After a week of blissful 8pm - 5.30am stints we've had two nights in a row with a 1am wake up again, including major milk o.d. sick last night. No idea why though.

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Thu 19-Dec-13 07:33:01

Is there such a thing as a cling regression? I have a boy who refused to be put down at all last night (no wonder I've still got a ton of presents to wrap and the house is once again starting to take on bombsite tenancies) and gets incredibly upset if I walk out of the room. I think he's teething again which won't be helping -damn you molars- but it does feel like we've taken a massive step back.

PurplePidjin Thu 19-Dec-13 08:47:22

Separation anxiety ispy?

halestone Thu 19-Dec-13 10:22:04

Ispy if i remember right, H got dead clingy when her molars where coming through.

Utopian all that travelling sounds hard.

I'm going to have a little boast now which i know will come back and bite me on the bum tonight. But H slept through last night from 10:30pm till 9amgrin she got fidgety, twice once at 1:30 and once at 4:30 but it turns out her nappy was wet. So i quickly changed her bum both times and she stayed asleep both times. I am shocked.

Stacks Thu 19-Dec-13 13:10:16

Does anyone else have problems with LO spitting out food? Really struggling to get DS to eat today, he accepts the spoon and chews a bit, then spits it out. I think he's still hungry though as he'd usually just refuse the spoon. Food is such a major stress point with DS, I hate it. He dropped from the 75th to the 9th percentile, we've got him back to the 25th by some quite intensive feeding, but he's just so awkward. He'll eat all sorts of stuff, so not really a picky eater, just will only eat the tiniest portions sad

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 19-Dec-13 13:10:36

Ffs I'm such a nob didn't see new link blushsad

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 19-Dec-13 13:21:10

Copied from old thread:

Dp has decided that he's going out Saturday night for his birthday and he's staying at his brothers. I found this out when he told our friends that's what he's doing. 'Well you can come too if you want' is what he said.

Should I just LTB now?

Stacks have you tried offering more frequently? I'm not sure what to suggest though really

halestone Thu 19-Dec-13 13:21:56

Haha Spotty your here now thats what counts. And don't buy him a birthday present tell him having a night away is enough.

Stacks, I struggle getting food into H but recently shes started eying better if i give her the fork or spoon she feeds herself and gives me the fork back for more. We also found that if we put baby tv on (sky channel 623) she watches that and forgets to spit her food out.

I have just brought the last of her christmas presents. grin Kiddiecare are having a sale on their nutmeg clothes loads either half price or 25% off so i got her loads of clothes and it only came to £22.40. What are people doing about christmas stockings? Are you bothering? I have brought some vests and sleepsuits and i was going to put in a tangerine and apple plus a tube of milky buttons and some socks in. Do you think thats ok?

Tedder Thu 19-Dec-13 13:29:02

New to this thread..hope it's ok for me to join. DS was born Dec 2012 and has just had first birthday. Compared to DD (PFB) he has been a very difficult baby...it's been a tough year!!! I'm interested to know how other's babies are sleeping? DS has NEVER slept through the night yet, he still wakes 2/3/4 times a night and requires BF to go back to sleep. He isn't BF in the day and doesn't ask for it. He will only nap in his bouncy chair (after I've rocked it for 20 mins!) and sleeps in my bed....he's never splept in his cot (which is in my room next to my bed) and cries hysterically if I even put him in it. I'm bloody exhausted and frankly not enjoying him at all. Anybody else?? I feel like such a failure and am at a loss to wonder what to do....

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 19-Dec-13 13:38:19

Welcome Tedder! Sorry you're having such a hard time. I'm not sure what to suggest that you probably haven't already tried.

Hales I've already bought him a present as his birthday was yesterday hmm for ds' stocking I've got socks, some books, a cheap toy car and a shaker thing. More for dd than him smile

halestone Thu 19-Dec-13 13:45:43

Hello Tedder, welcome to the threadgrin. Sorry you've had a tough year, but remember you have survived it so far so you've done wellthanks. My DD has only ever slept through twice and is also a co-sleeper. I will be trying to sleep train soon. She usually wakes up once or twice. Do you have a bedtime routine at present?

BarHumbugBeasty Thu 19-Dec-13 13:47:19

Ditto spotty I think DD would stop believing and actually be a bit upset if A didn't get a stocking. And since we do one for me/ DH, I've had to do one for SIL who's staying with us!

Don't know what to suggest about your dp. What a selfish idiot. I think it's the not telling you that is worst.

Tedder Thu 19-Dec-13 14:13:36

Halestone, yes we have a routine but tbh it doesn't seem to make any difference...last 2 nights I've left him in the living room and let DH rock him to sleep in his seat whilst I've gone to bed to try and catch up on some sleep. I'd be interested to hear how your sleep training goes because I think that's what we need to do now...I have tried CIO one night when I was so fed up with it that I needed to be away from him for a while...he cried non-stop and made himself vomit. But it wasn't a well thought out plan, it was sheer desperation so wasn't going to work really! Also, we live in a flat so I really worry about the neighbours! I know it will pass one day but it doesn't feel like it at 2am when he's been crying and BF for 1 hour.....

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 19-Dec-13 14:20:10

Tedder I think he needs to learn to settle without bf before he will sleep (I'm sure you know this) so if you're happy with that I think the first step would be to stop, or gradually reduce, the bf at night by settling other ways. I just think it'll be harder for both of you if you stop feeding and comfort all in one go by sleep training. That's the approach a few of us have taken on here.

Equimum Thu 19-Dec-13 16:06:52

Welcome Tedder. No advice really, but my lb still wakes lots at night and has, until recently, been a difficult napper too.

I'll be watching with interest too, pidge and nutella. My mum spends a lot of time telling me how I was dry in the day by 14months, having been sat over the potty several times a day from 6weeks! I'm certainly not aspiring to that, but would be interested to see how introducing to a potty at this age works.

Definitely agree about not getting DP a present Spotty

Whoever was asking about stockings, we're doing one for DS, but primarily because he's not having his other presents until late morning when ILs arrive. We're filling it with wooden instruments (maracas, tambourine, castanet, clacker etc) to make sure everyone wakes up when we do

PurplePidjin Thu 19-Dec-13 16:07:04

Hi Tedder, welcome to the gang brew have you tried reinstating day feeds so you can night wean?

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 19-Dec-13 16:13:01

Also dp lost his train ticket yesterday and had to pay £30 to get home (after the £35 parking ticket) after moaning we had no money surely he shouldn't be going out?!

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 19-Dec-13 16:16:46

I barely manage to get myself on the loo let alone ds grin I think I've read (on here) that for the time and effort it takes it's really not worth it. That's doing full on ec though not just what Nutella is doing which sounds impressive!

MrsNutella Thu 19-Dec-13 17:01:40

Evening all smile
Welcome Tedder DS nearly slept through the other night but since then it's been a bit colourful again because he has a virus.
We give him a bottle of milk when he wakes (not always, just when he won't settle) and we have been slowly watering it down; so same volume of drink but less and less powder. I gave up BF when he was 9/10 months old and honestly I don't think he even noticed.
Sorry you're having so many problems, but I promise you're not alone!

spotty yeah, LTB! wink Or better yet double lock the door when he tries to come home and tell him to think about all the evenings out and "me" time that you get. He does sound a bit of a plonka honestly.

We started putting DS on the toilet was because he would fill the first morning nappy so quickly it seemed to make sense to try it out. My mum was really sceptical when she came and visited in September. But one morning when I handed her her grandson so that DH and I could have a lie in she followed our routine and put him on the toilet and he did a poo as usual. She was really shock but thought its fab. I'm secretly hoping that when he gets bigger he will want to do more poos on the toilet and I won't have to spend so much time with pooey nappies wink

DS's fever is better. He seems much much brighter today but still a bit extra fussy. We took him to the dr anyway and she said he has probably been fighting this virus for a while. She was really nice. But also suggested that paracetamol should only be given when a fever hits 39.5 ... I'm sure DH and I will disagree about that in the middle of the night sometime soon.

But DS has shared his virus with me hmm thank goodness DH is working from home. I went back to bed this afternoon while DS slept and didn't get up again until about 16:30. I feel queasy and a bit generally rubbish.

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 19-Dec-13 17:16:46

I'm at bit hmm about that Nutella. My temp has only been 38.9 at it's highest and, tbh, I felt like shit until the paracetamol kicked in. Seems a bit mean to me. Hope he's on the mend soon. I'm going to put ds on the toilet on Saturday and see what he does grin hope I don't drop him in it...

Dp has always been so good I don't know what's up with him recently sad

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 19-Dec-13 17:17:15

Oh and I hope you feel better soon too thanks

MrsNutella Thu 19-Dec-13 17:30:13

spotty thanks, i hope i feel better too. I think DH will be next though blush. For the toilet it took a few days for DS to get the message and mostly he still is much more interested in getting hold of the toilet roll!
With your DP, what about mega water works? I used to have to cry to get my brothers to help out (my mum spent most of my a level years on holiday with her then husband) otherwise they were blind to the fact that things like washing/cooking/cleaning needed doing.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Thu 19-Dec-13 18:10:19

Oh Tedder that sounds so hard. Have you tried popping over to sleep? I did see a thread about cc vs sitting by the cot until they settle the other day and there were loads if good ideas over there.

We both have sore ears. My temp is 39 and DS' is 39.6. He's engaging in a screamathon right now. Mil had him and didn't realise he was hot hmm so it was hours before he got any calpol and it's taking forever to get his temp back down.

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 19-Dec-13 18:20:47

WillYou I remember when dd was younger she came back from mil's wrapped up in coat and hat etc and as soon as I touched her I knew she had a fever it was over 39 shock how could she not tell?! You must feel awful I hope you both get a good nights sleep

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Thu 19-Dec-13 19:31:36

Welcome Tedder. I'm also the proud owner of a sleep-refusing baby. Our situation doesn't sound quite as difficult, as barring teething issues, he's generally a happy little soul during the day. The problems start at bedtime. I'll do the routine with both DC and whereas DS(4) will dutifully go to bed following bath and book, N still thinks it's time to play. The only way he will sleep is via bf and then he won't stay in his cot long. There will be multiple wakeups until I give in and co-sleep. I really think it could be time for me to think about night-weaning, but I reckon he'll self wean altogether soon after and I'd wanted him to have the antibody hit from the bm to get him through his first winter at nursery.

Willyou - hope you and J are ok.

Spotty - following WorksChristmasDoGate last week, you certainly have my sympathy. What frustrates me about DH is not so much him going out, but the way he just makes 'plans' (although that implies a degree of notice) as if he has no commitments whatsoever. If I just decided I fancied a night out at 11.30 pm, all manner of panic and chaos would ensue so I don't do it. Instead, when I do venture out after dark it feels like a military degree of planning is required. When DH goes out it's just business a usual for me. Maybe l should just bugger off and leave him to it for the night - I know nothing truly terrible would happen.

Nut - the GP recently told me to calpol at 38 to stop a fever taking hold but I know there's a school of thought that a mild fever can actually help the body fight the infection itself (really don't know how it's meant to work, something I read on mnet once I think though).

BarHumbugBeasty Thu 19-Dec-13 20:17:26

I think A has almost outdone himself. I'd left him in the lounge for a minute and when I came back he had something in his mouth.

A battery. Which he'd managed to get out of a remote control.

At nursery today the pre school room were discussing what they'd like to be when they grow up. DD would like to be a real Mona the Vampire.

And welcome Tedder.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Thu 19-Dec-13 20:41:00

Yep J's partial to a battery or 2 Beasty. Eyes in the back of your head doesn't even come close!

My work are being dicks yet again. Can't wait to go back to work next month hmm

Tedder Thu 19-Dec-13 21:27:55

Just a quick one as don't have time to do a full reply....but thanks everybody for your interest and suggestions smile

WLmum Thu 19-Dec-13 23:34:35

Welcome to the gang tedder! I'm afraid I'm still rather in the sleepless category but I have had success as spotty describes by reducing the length of each night feed over the course of a few days and then cuddling/rocking to sleep. She always makes her feelings known but I dig my heels in and eventually she gives in. Unfortunately each time we are on the cusp of total success something ruins it - travel/whooping cough/teeth/cold. After some dreadful nights more recently (whooping cough) I'm starting to gently push back a little and as soon as she's over this tooth and cold ill be pushing a bit harder. Talk to your neighbours and explain that it might be noisy for a few nights but it won't last for long. We live in a terraced house and when I spoke to our neighbours they said they hadn't heard (although I suspect they were just being kind!).

I've just finished an epic present wrapping/sorting session. Still got all 3 dds to wrap and about 6 more people to buy for. And need to finish the kangaroos I've knitted. Anyone know where I can find any extra hours?!!

WLmum Thu 19-Dec-13 23:42:12

Sorry to hear that willyou.

Word of warning though - batteries can be lethal if they make it to the stomach and mix with the acid. Remotes up high ladies!

Yep, a fever is the bodies way of killing of some germs but does make you feel like shit. I'm always quick with the calpol as I am for paracetamol for me though.

halestone Fri 20-Dec-13 01:29:57

Hope your feeling better soon Willyou and Nutthanks

Tedder H has a bath at 7pm every night. And then she is allowed to play until i start noticing her sleep cues which are that her pupils go tiny and she loses her temper abit. As soon as i see them i make her bottle and take her to bed i read her a story whilst giving her a bottle, and then she normally decides to climb on my lap to finish the bottle and i end up rocking her to sleep whilst she listens to music. If she starts fidgeting in the night it normally means her nappies wet. If i time it right she doesn't wake up whilst i change her bum, but if i don't shes awake for a while. Could your DS be the same and be waking due to a wet nappy?

Spotty has your DP gone a little bit crazy because christmas is coming up? Most of my friends are men i grew up with them and at christmas all they want to so is go on nights out. Despite the fact that alot of them have children. Usually the wives/girlfriends are left to sort out the children. Btw they all play football every weekend in the same team and alot of pressure is put on them to be one of the boys and not be under the thumb despite most of them being either 30 odd or close to it.

Beasty, your DD has made a good career choicegrin.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Fri 20-Dec-13 04:41:53

This us the longest night EVER! We've slept for under an hour do far and he's spent the rest of the time wailing. He's had everything else he can have, his temps come down for now but he's got into a rhythm of screaming and doesn't seem able to stop. We're watching ugly Betty before I go out if my tiny little mind. <rocks in corner clutching DS to bosom> which reminds me - he keeps biting my sternum as I rock him, not cool!

SpottyChristmasCakes Fri 20-Dec-13 06:36:01

Hales I think they'd get on well wink

WillYou is a trip to the drs needed today? If you can put something warm on his ear (hot water bottle) it will help with the pain.

lazzaroo Fri 20-Dec-13 06:47:23

Morning all. Have been reading but not posting for a while.

Happy birthday to all those celebrating recently.

Welcome Tedder, you've come to the right place o share tales of random sleep patterns.

spotty you have my sympathies. I also have a DP who seems to live in his own world sometimes. I usually lose him to golf or rugby. This week though he decided he was going o the cinema one afternoon/evening. He eventually understood why I was pissed off & agreed that if he coukd afford to take 3 hours off work he coukd o it so I could have a break (& get Christmas wrapping done!). He ended up taking 45 mins off hmm

SpottyChristmasCakes Fri 20-Dec-13 06:56:30

I get 'well x,yandz have children and their partners don't moan at them for playing football and going out' blah blah blah

lazzaroo Fri 20-Dec-13 07:07:45

Oh, and we've been up since 4am. Her early wakings have become utterly ridiculous and I don't know what to do about it. Her daytime sleep has also gone to crap. But she hasn't been particularly grumpy about it. I on the other hand....I am fed up. Hate being short tempered with dd1 but every day is so long. It majestic everything such a hard task.

Sorry, have barged back in with an all about me post blush

willyou I'm sorry you've had a rough night. Think I'd be tempted to get him checked at dr's after a night like that.

lazzaroo Fri 20-Dec-13 07:09:34

^^ Majestic?! Nothing majestic about it.....'it makes...'!

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Fri 20-Dec-13 10:25:44

I'm hoping the worst is over. He's much more responsive than yesterday. Has eaten breakfast and isn't crying. He's also beating the crap out if the telly whenever he gets chance.

A full day of cbeebies on the cards I think. I hope to god he naps, we only slept 6-9 in the end. We've missed our nursery settling in visit sad

MrsNutella Fri 20-Dec-13 12:29:12

willyou I know too many people here who would first suggest a cut up onion wrapped in a cloth to help with earache. After all antibiotics are evil, dontchakno (weird Germans)

spotty I occasionally get that from DH but on the whole he is great and we work as a team. He has been fantastic helping to look after DP the last few days while I lounged recovered by staying in bed longer. This morning I let him go back to bed for an hour (the joy of working from home).

DS still has a bit of diarrhoea, but he seems to be eating and drinking relatively normally for him (lots of bread and carbs). The dr suggested some rehydration salt type things. They come in apple and banana flavour for small people.

MrsNutella Fri 20-Dec-13 12:30:28

lazza I don't have any advice really but I find bad naps and bad nighttime sleep seem to just make everything worse. The better DS naps during the day the better he sleeps at night.

SpottyChristmasCakes Fri 20-Dec-13 16:47:14

It's my works Christmas do tonight. Only the second time we've been out since ds was born shock and he's been crying all afternoon hmm not sure what I'm going to get ready...

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Fri 20-Dec-13 18:20:41

Did you pick a dress in the end then spotty?

DP's is tomorrow but not sure if we'll make it. We're both still ill and Mil now has noro. We'd better not get it back just in time for Christmas.

lazzaroo Fri 20-Dec-13 18:49:25

Yes nutella I know what you mean. Made her have a late afternoon nap today so I could push bedtime back a bit & avoid over tiredness. Easier to do when dd1 not around. She's just settling now o we'll see. Had planned a wrap-a-thon tonight as DD1 at my mums but an early night is SO tempting!

Hope you have a good night spotty

BarHumbugBeasty Fri 20-Dec-13 19:40:31

Have a good night spotty

A "passed" his 1yr check today. He weighs slightly over 8kg, so still on the line he was on at 6 months- just over the 2nd centile.

WLmum Fri 20-Dec-13 20:34:42

Hoorah for his little cottons beasty
spotty I hope you managed to get ready and that you have a nice time tonight.
I'm exhausted so gentle pushing for self settling and reduction of night boob has resumed. More sleep is definitely on my new year resolutions list!

MrsNutella Fri 20-Dec-13 20:54:51

Lazza we were out late morning (not that long after his morning nap) and DS had a cheeky 10 minute nap in the buggy might have been longer of the neighbours hadn't woken him up when I was trying to lift him out of the buggy so I pushed back his afternoon nap and he slept an hour, woke, was settled and slept about another 20/30 minutes.
He took a while to get to sleep tonight but I think he is a bit overtired fighting off this virus.
Anyway, I hope you get some more sleep!

spotty I hope you had a nice evening out!

beasty awww A must be a teeny little man smile DS hasn't put on much weight in last few months. He seems to gain a bit and then either gets a bug or grows a bit. He is quite a lean baby...

I think DS is about to cut some more teeth at the top, he has three at the top at the moment and I think there is another one about to break through and then possibly the canines will follow shortly... Well that's what it looks like. It's weird how they sometimes teeth a bit differently isn't it?!
hales I think H must have the most teeth out of all the babies, how many does she have?
DS uses his front teeth to pull bites of bread off of a big piece of bread, I love the way he chews. I think it looks really cute, with lots of sort of lip smacking grin

halestone Fri 20-Dec-13 21:46:41

Lazza H has dropped a nap as well at the moment. But i'm not sure if thats because we're busy and she's so nosy she stays awake to see everything.

Nutella shes got 13 but has 2 more white tips i can see just under her gum. Hers came through by top middle 2 then bottom back molar, then bottom middle 2. Then the 2 bottom outer middles. Then the 2 top outer middles. (So she had her 4 front top and bottom middle teeth IYSWIM) then came her top right middle molar, then her bottom right middle molar. Then her top left middle molar, then her bottom right middle molar. I can see her 2 bottom Canines now. Its weird though because some days they seem bigger than other days. H has a cracking bite on her and is good at chewing most foods.

halestone Fri 20-Dec-13 21:48:46

Pressed post to soon.

Spotty i hope you have a lovely night out.

WL good luck with the gentle sleep training tonight.

Beasty aww A must be a gorgeous little dot. H is a huge thug shes above the 99th centile for both height and weight. I got her weighed yesterday and she weighs 28.6lbs.

Willyou, i hope you manage to get out tomorrow.

BarHumbugBeasty Fri 20-Dec-13 22:07:55

He's in that awkward cusp between 6-9 and 9-12 month clothes.

I was carrying him at my Dad's today, and did a swap for Dad's girlfriend's granddaughter, who was born in April. She was heavier!

But, if he's sticking to a line I'm not worried.

WLmum Fri 20-Dec-13 22:28:37

Big or small it's just who they are. Babies like everyone else come in all lovely shapes and sizes.

WLmum Fri 20-Dec-13 22:28:59

hales that is a lot of teeth!

WLmum Fri 20-Dec-13 22:32:09

Grrr keep posting before I'm ready.
T has got 3.5 teeth now, front top and bottom 2. They've been rubbing a bit as she feeds but I think it's getting less as she gets used to them. She's given me a couple of cheeky bites on the nip though when she's finished feeding but I'm still laying in position (usually early morning). Blighter.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Fri 20-Dec-13 22:38:30

We've got a new tooth here today, just to add to the misery of the ear infection. That's 9.

Sleeps a fucking nightmare here at the minute. DS crashed out at 6, woke at 6:45 and only went back to sleep at 10 after 30 mins of DP trying and then 15 mins from me. It was hard work.

halestone Fri 20-Dec-13 23:01:17

My dad keeps saying that WL. I was really worried that i was doing something wrong and thats why she weighed so much but she seems happy and has stayed the same for both height and weight. Like Beasty says as long as shes following the line i'm happy. They all fall somewhere between the lines or in H's case just above the line haha.

Oh no Willyou i hope tonight gets easier for you all.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Fri 20-Dec-13 23:30:24

DS is going mental. He's not in pain, he's topped up on drugs. His temp is back down to normal. He's just massively overtired as he hasn't slept for 2 days and doesn't know what to do with himself.

He screams if he's on me, he screams lying next to me, he's currently crying in his cot as he seemed to be getting wound up because he could see me.

I don't know what to try next, he's way past car seat territory and will just scream more if I try to drive him around. The buggy might work but it's hammering down and stupidly windy outside so that would probably wake him.

My stomach's churning, I feel like a terrible mother listening to him. sad

halestone Fri 20-Dec-13 23:47:41

Oh Willyou, i hope your ok. Your not a bad mum at all. We've be known to throw H in the pram and just push her up and down in the house.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Fri 20-Dec-13 23:52:01

He's cried himself to sleep. I had to do cc, I know you're not supposed to when they're ill but he was making himself worse because he was just so tired. I can't sleep now, I'm too wound up. Fucking mother's guilt! I love him but I couldn't bear to hear him making himself so unhappy and getting worse and worse. We all need some sleep.

lazzaroo Sat 21-Dec-13 06:39:01

willyou hope you got some sleep in the end. It's hard. I have let baby lazza cry far more than I'd like to over last few nights but sometimes it feels like you're all out of options.

Last night she woke at 3. I ended up getting her a cup of milk just before 4 & then she went back to sleep....but only till 5am & I didn't get much sleep as felt guilty that maybe she's been hungry these past few nights sad. although I can't possibly get more food into her in the day...she's always eating!! Growth spurt maybe?!

SpottyChristmasCakes Sat 21-Dec-13 07:27:09

Oh no WillYou I hope you've had some sleep sad I've left ds to cry a bit and I hate it but it's always a last resort to keep me sane and sometimes he just will not go to sleep otherwise.

Ds has had all four teeth at the top come through at once so now has six smile

I did find a dress thanks I'm knackered now though after going to bed post midnight and four ish glasses of wine!

WLmum Sat 21-Dec-13 07:57:05

willyou sometimes that's your only option. Poor all if you. Hope things calm down a bit today. There's a whole lifetime of guilt ahead!

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Sat 21-Dec-13 08:49:05

I'm feeling better about it today as he cried for 40 mins (cc) and then slept for 5.5 h. During that time he self settled once too. Up for a bottle then down for another 3.5h. He'd slept no more than 20 mins at a time for 2 days before that! Took me 2 hours to get to sleep after though as I kept waiting for the crying to start.

Thanks everyone thanks

SpottyChristmasCakes Sat 21-Dec-13 09:31:43

'Dp you need to put that jumper in the wash'
'Why? I'm wearing it when I go out tonight'
'Well you haven't discussed going out with me?'
'Oh don't start this again you know I'm going out'
'Well you haven't discussed it with me'
The end.

So he still hadn't discussed it with me confused

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Sat 21-Dec-13 11:48:00

He's off again. If every nap and bedtime is going to be like this I'm going to go insane. He started rubbing eyes at 9:45. We've had 2 hours of wailing with his eyes shut. This is just horrendous.

I've told DP that I will not be sending him to sleep at grandparents tonight. There's no way i can inflict this on someone else. He's hmm and saying "oh but you need a break". It's not about me having a break at all, he just wants me to get pissed with him at his Christmas party.

BarHumbugBeasty Sat 21-Dec-13 12:58:17

Oh spotty and WillYou

A is just waking up. He fell asleep in the car at about 10!!

But he did wake roughly every 2 hours through the night, although he went down in the cot for the first 2 hours, which he hasn't done for weeks.

I've done the farmer's market, constructed the chocolate and gingerbread sleighs, made lots of sausage rolls to have with snacky meals over the next couple of weeks, and made and eaten lunch. Trouble is, I know he's about to want a feed and I don't know if I'll get going again once I sit for a while!

SpottyChristmasCakes Sat 21-Dec-13 13:20:21

I've just got back from a 4th birthday party. One child vomited.

lazzaroo Sat 21-Dec-13 13:44:24

dP just phoned to let me know he's arrived safely at the rugby! He's now in a strop as I was a bit off on the 'phone (may have something to do with having been awake since 3am....but he would know that if he'd asked). He's been away since Thurs. Out for his works do last night, rugby today. He must be so tired wink

MrsNutella Sat 21-Dec-13 16:25:07


We are the house of sick hmm DS seems to be slowly improving. He eats relatively well, but I'd be happier if he would drink more... DH and I are surviving on fruit teas and dry bread like stuff...
We both feel mega rough but (touch wood) haven't actually been sick or had bad diarrhoea. I'm pissed if at being pregnant and ill because my whole tummy feels so tender and I can't take any decent drugs sad.
Fx DS sleeps well tonight!!

SpottyChristmasCakes Sat 21-Dec-13 16:51:11

Poor you Nutella sad I think you forget so easily how shit early pregnancy can be. I hope you're all feeling better soon.

It's super windy here I hope the power doesn't go off, not that I'm scared of the dark or anything....

PurplePidjin Sat 21-Dec-13 19:01:41

Spotty I'd have been tempted to cone back with *Oh don't start this again, you know you're going nowhere till you show a bit of respect" fhmm fangry

WillYou I'd send him. It's been a hard battle for me to accept but people actually want to help - to us baby related stuff is a chore, to my mum it's a delight, yes that includes letting her lunch go cold while she feeds him and getting him back to sleep in the middle of the night!

SpottyChristmasCakes Sat 21-Dec-13 19:17:18

He's gone pidj. Staying at a different brothers house (only found out when I said 'you still haven't told me what's going on tonight' to which he replied 'yes I have I'm going out and staying at db's like I said' 'er no you didn't') he still didn't tell me exactly when he was going/coming back or apologise or anything. I told him he was being selfish. Anyway when he left he kissed me on the cheek and said 'see you later'. Oh well might leave the latch on the front door and key in the back door although I doubt he will be home before we're up in the morning. Ds was up at 5:30 this morning.

I wouldn't send ds to mil's but then the dc never stay away as that's how I prefer it. I might feel differently if I hadn't had a decent nights sleep for ages though...

PurplePidjin Sat 21-Dec-13 19:40:19

Are you still bf during the day? If not, or if like R missing feeds is no biggie, hand over as soon as he gets in or first thing in the morning. "I'm going out, like we discussed. See you later". Nothing horrific will happen to ds, but h will learn exactly what you do. Take yourself out for lunch, see a film, mooch round the shops, go for a long walk in the woods, hide at your mum's crying... Just don't go back till at least mid afternoon!

SpottyChristmasCakes Sat 21-Dec-13 19:46:16

Not bf ds stopped that sad I don't mind him going out it's the staying over night and not telling me, definitely something I would never do as I love my bed! Might arrange a night out with a friend and not bother mentioning it to him...

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Sat 21-Dec-13 20:20:22

Get well soon Nutella thanks

Willyou -it does sound as if you need a break but I know how hard it can be when they're ill. Don't think there's a right or wrong tbh
Hope you have a better evening tonight whatever you decide to do.

Have had a lovely day at the Christmas markets in Manchester with some friends while DH took the boys round to PIL's. Had some mulled wine and feeling very festive now.

WLmum Sat 21-Dec-13 22:17:37

willyou I wouldn't send mine either. With dd1 and dd2 mil used to say to them 'when are you going to have a sleepover with granny to give mummy a break' - I know she meant well but it was a bit creepy! Honestly when they weren't sleeping it was more stressful them being away than just dying of exhaustion.
spotty DH is being an arse - def take that day/night out.

I'm trying to sew faces on the kangaroos I've been knitting - the eyes keep looking weird - I'm going with the more wine = less weird option!

WLmum Sat 21-Dec-13 22:52:31

One of the joeys looks like hitler!

ddas Sat 21-Dec-13 23:14:48

Oh no!

spotty I'd be fuming if that was my dh!!

willyou depends what your mil is like and your relationship with her. My mil is a bit of a surrogate mum to me so would be happy for her to have dd if she wasn't so clingy to me so not too good at being with other people. Ds was better with other people especially her so would have left him.

nutella hope you're feeling better. Horrible to be sick especially when pregnant.

Can't remember who else has a lo on the 2nd centile but we too are between 6-9 and 9-12 clothes depends on the shop. They've got a sale on Sainsburys kids clothes and looked at the 9-12 stuff as she has turned 1! But it just looked massive for her so stuck with 6-9.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Sun 22-Dec-13 00:11:47

Yep make plans and just go out Spotty. No discussion or military planning of childcare. Leave it to him.

I went to the do and my mum and dad had him here. They got him to bed at 9 and he's still asleep but very unsettled.

I'm more than happy for my mum and dad or MiL to have him overnight when he's well but I don't think it's fair on anyone to leave him for that length of time when he's this poorly. His temp is unstable and he's covered in a viral rash again. Plus MiL has a stomach bug that I reeeeeeally don't want him to get and I have viral laryngitis and could happily pour boiling acid down my throat if it would stop the bloody itching.

I drank, I ate, I chair danced (too ill for real dancing) and now I'm tucked up with my lovely baby. There's nowhere I'd rather be smile

And for a mega bonus DP has finished work for Christmas so after tonight (it is his works Christmas do after all and he's stayed our for a bit) he's on night duty! Whoop whoop! Festive lie in for fandango. fgrin

J's a 25th centiler and he's only just gone into 9-12 clothes. The little outfits fit but the babygros are still huge on him.

SpottyChristmasCakes Sun 22-Dec-13 06:21:43

Glad you had a good night WillYou! Ds is in 6-9 clothes too 9-12 grows hang off him but the 6-9 were getting too short confused

WL loving the image of your hitler Joey!

SpottyChristmasCakes Sun 22-Dec-13 07:34:33

Dp just phoned. Someone has blocked his van in hmm

2blessed Sun 22-Dec-13 08:08:57

Oh dear spotty

Hope everyone who is poorly feels better soon.

My phone is on the blink, so just been able to have a quick lurk every now and then for the past couple of days.

I'm here in bed on the laptop with DS and DS's DF sleeping next to me. I should get up and do something but I just can't be bothered at the moment. Lots of presents to wrap still, but the kitchen is filled with lovely tasty treats so that should make the day go better.

PurplePidjin Sun 22-Dec-13 08:28:58

R is 50th centile and in 12-18 apart from Gap 18-24 fshock

WLmum Sun 22-Dec-13 09:31:52

T is 91st centile and the new jojo snowsuit is age 2-3!!! Normally she's in 12-18 months but the new tesco leggings are 18-24 - she's a long legged beasty like her mummy and biggest sister.
I was not a happy wl over night - got to bed at 12 then was up 3-5.30 with a coughing herself sick all over me 3 x and a further one in her cot for good measure.
Luckily DH is off today so he got up at 6.45 with a child followed by others who knows when! He's wrecked though.
What I'm most pissed off about actually is that I was just digging my heals in for sleep training round one gazillion but obv could keep going last night. She's a bit snotty today but not coughing so I'll try again tonight.

SpottyChristmasCakes Sun 22-Dec-13 09:41:47

shock WL dd wears18-24 in leggings! She's in 2-3 in some things but they do hang off her! Hope T's cough calms down ds' lasted three nights like that hmm

WLmum Sun 22-Dec-13 10:14:42

I'm 6ft so all my babies are mahoosive - dd1 is 6.5 and had age 9 tights for school! It gets a bit silly because the waists of everything are too big for her but she needs the length. Frighteningly there are a cou

WLmum Sun 22-Dec-13 10:17:25

Couple of girls taller than her in her class.
Your dd sounds like my friends dd who is the opposite of mine - she is a year older than dd2 but a good half head (maybe more) shorter and many many pounds lighter.

It's joeys mouth that looks like a hitler tashe and his tiny round eyes! I'll fb pics of them when they're completely finished.

WLmum Sun 22-Dec-13 10:18:18

I am determined to start the new year with more sleep.

SpottyChristmasCakes Sun 22-Dec-13 10:19:02

Yes she's a tiddler and even those are too big round her waist! I was always the same though.

Looking forward to those pics wink

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Sun 22-Dec-13 10:46:17

Oh poor you and poor T WL. Small mention for MrWL as he's been up early for a Sunday!

I shall link arms with you tonight. Sleep training night 3 will be commencing. I did it on thurs night and for naps yesterday. Obviously it has all been undone by my mum putting him down in my bed last night so it's technically back to night 1. Ho hum!

DS is a tiddler like me. We're hoping he does like DP did. He was short all the way up to 16 and then shot up to 6'1".

You can do pics in your posts on here now too WL.

WLmum Sun 22-Dec-13 11:07:01

Really willyou even from my Tabified (slightly broken by a certain person) phone?
I'm off to finish my Xmas shopping in a mo as soon as DH arrives back from swimming lessons. Just giving T boob to almost asleep then outside in the pram she goes.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Sun 22-Dec-13 11:22:37

Oh you can't do it in antenatal it seems.

SpottyChristmasCakes Sun 22-Dec-13 11:37:48

It's only in chat

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Sun 22-Dec-13 12:35:23

I've got a 91st centiler who seems to be ok with ?8 months across the board atm. Think it really does depend on proportions though - DS1 needed a size bigger in tops than trousers for ages but he's age 4-5 in everything now

Just done a quick tooth audit -we appear to have 16 shock although 4 of them are only partially erupted.

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Sun 22-Dec-13 14:26:00

Should say 12-18 months blush

WLmum Sun 22-Dec-13 16:43:05

Grrr T had a 2 hour nap this morning then I've just got home to find DH has let her have another hour (woke up just as I got home). What's the betting she's wide awake at 3am. Idiot.

WLmum Sun 22-Dec-13 21:14:37

Well T went to bed easily so hopefully DH is not an idiot but a genius!

SpottyChristmasCakes Sun 22-Dec-13 21:20:20

Fx WL smile

I'm just going to bed, I thought it was really late but I've just seen the time blush

Maryland2013 Sun 22-Dec-13 21:22:02

Lots of people say sleep breeds sleep WL. I find we usually have a problem if DS sleeps past 4:30- he's just not tired enough again at 7/7:30.
Fingers crossed for you smile

Maryland2013 Sun 22-Dec-13 21:23:52

Spotty when did your DP get home?! I was angry on your behalf!! Definitely do what others have said and take yourself off for a few hours in the daytime. Even just coffee and cake in peace (no offence to your LOs intended!)

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Sun 22-Dec-13 22:19:38

Oh yeah did he get his van unblocked Spotty?

Glad T went down okay WL.

Sleep training Day 1, Take 2 was horrendous. He screamed for an hour sad. He's asleep now after I thought to turn his music box on. He was asleep within 5 minutes of watching it. I've hit the Stella blush and DP and I are going to wrap some presents in a minute as I haven't done any and they're stressing me out!

Wow to 16 teeth ISpy, DS has 8 and a good few doing the old in-out-in-out.

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Sun 22-Dec-13 22:28:48

Managed to get the presents wrapped today. Just the Big Clean to tackle now.

How convenient Spotty hmm. Hope he's reappeared and that you've got some lovely plans for time to yourself in the new year.

SpottyChristmasCakes Mon 23-Dec-13 06:35:43

He got home at ten but is carrying on like normal and just doesn't get it hmm so I'm staying in bed until he goes to work grin

WLmum Mon 23-Dec-13 09:05:51

willyou I hope there was less screaming over night and that your presents got wrapped. We've got wrapping tonight and tomorrow night. I'd like to say I'll clean but in reality it's highly unlikely there'll be time.
T woke just once about 3 - I fed her for a bit then took her off. She complained for a bit then settled with a cuddle/rock/pat. She's full of cold again though so hope that doesn't derail things. Will do the same again tonight, hopefully shortening the feed.
Last day of work for a while! Hoorah!

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Mon 23-Dec-13 10:00:45

After falling asleep at 20, J woke for a feed at 2, which I gave him as he's barely eaten for days. Then he started whinging in his cot at 3, I gave him a couple of seconds to see if he'd settle himself, at which point DP started handily poking me! After 3 mins of whinging DS gave in and went back to sleep shock He finally woke at 7:45! So a total success!

Nap time is not going so well!

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Mon 23-Dec-13 10:01:07

That's 10 not 20!

SpottyChristmasCakes Mon 23-Dec-13 11:13:41

Good news WL and WillYou.

I have to go to work in a bit and it's right next to tesco. Usually on a Monday the staff car park is full so I have to park in the tesco one....what do you think the chances are of me getting a space?! I'm going to get soaked too I wish I had a waterproof all in one like dd grin

halestone Mon 23-Dec-13 12:30:57

Yay to better sleeps for J and T.

Spotty good luck getting a parking space.

I am completely done. I have wrapped everything and brought all the food shopping anything i have forgot obviously isn't important. Now just tonight and tomorrow nights shifts in the chippy and then it will finally be christmas grin

lazzaroo Mon 23-Dec-13 12:59:07

Baby lazza is a greedy pig! She woke at 4am (again!). Gave her cup of milk in desperate hope of more sleep (failed). DH got up with her at 4.45! she had a whole weetabix before going back to sleep at 6.20am. She had a bowl of shreddies, half a slice of toast & milk when she woke at 7ish. Since then she as had 2 yoghurts, 2 crackers, box of raisins, lunch (ham, scrambled egg, potatoes & veg) followed by a whole ellas fruit pouch & some banana. If Christmas doesn't ruin us fnancially then feeding her is going to!

SpottyChristmasCakes Mon 23-Dec-13 19:29:44

Scary drive home 30mph all the way.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Mon 23-Dec-13 21:22:47

Glad you're home safe Spotty.

That's one hungry baby Lazza, we're still on sick rations here. Tiny portions all round.

Have a good shift at work Hales.

We've just finished all our wrapping! Sleep training was still harrowing but quicker tonight. Last night took 2m, 5m, 7m and 3x10m stints. Tonight he fell asleep during the first 10m break. Please god let tomorrow be better.

PurplePidjin Mon 23-Dec-13 21:49:31

Honey sandwiches are a huuuuuuuuge hit here fgrin

WLmum Tue 24-Dec-13 07:25:04

Horrendous night here - got to bed at 12 then was up 3-5 with T. I kept getting her settled in her cot after a bit of protesting but without boob but she was always up again after 10 minutes. At 5 I caved and boobed her but she still got up at 6. How is that possible?
We've still got loads to do tonight before we're ready for Xmas day - I'm going to make a superhuman effort to get some done during the day so we can have an earlier night.

In other news, we have full on walking!

halestone Tue 24-Dec-13 08:42:37

Yay to the walking WL but sorry about the bad night. Hopefully it was down to her getting ready to walk and tonight will be perfect.

I've woke up this morning with bad indigestion and vomited because of ithmm

I hope everyone has a lovely christmas eve and gets all their last minute things done.thanks

WLmum Tue 24-Dec-13 08:45:58

And toerag has worked out how to open the handleless kitchen cupboards!

BarHumbugBeasty Tue 24-Dec-13 08:46:53

Yay WL. Maybe that explains the lack if sleep? It's a big developmental leap.

I think we're lucky to have electricity here. One of the 2 roads out of the village is closed because a pylon came down overnight. Hopefully the other road isn't too flooded- it can be bad.

I've had everything wrapped for a while, but have lots of cooking that I'd like to get done ready for tomorrow. No need for me to set foot outside the house though!!

WLmum Tue 24-Dec-13 08:51:55

Yuk hales! Get yourself some Rennies!

lazzaroo Tue 24-Dec-13 09:16:16

Happy Christmas everyone! We got wrapping done last night. Baby lazza has already given us best present by sleeping 6.30 to 5.15 last night with a brief wake at 2am. Thank bloody god. Long overdue. Didn't do anything different so she remains a mystery.

Hope you all have a lovely Christmas fsmile

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Tue 24-Dec-13 10:53:36

Yay for walking but sorry about the bad night WL, hopefully you'll get a nice early night tonight.

Hope you feel better now you've been sick Hales.

Glad you can stay in Beasty, it looks terrible out there. Not too bad here just a bit of sleet and rain.

We had a shocker of a night. First I coughed for the first half of the night, then J coughed himself awake and I finally got to sleep just before 5. I am one huge snot bucket.

DP has gone to his incredibly opinionated nan and grandad's house but his grandad is immunocompromised so I can't go. Every cloud...

In horrific news - the kettle has sprung a leak! So I have to go to sainsburys for a new one, ON CHRISTMAS EVE! Oh the humanity! I'm going to buy some nibbles too while I have to go anyway.

MrsNutella Tue 24-Dec-13 10:54:36

Merry Christmas everyone!
We recovered (eventually) from being the house of sick and travelled to the UK this morning.

DH and I got up at 3:45 shock got dressed and got DS up at about 4:15. 4:30 ish Taxi to airport for check in at 5 am (yawn).
DS was a star on the plane and slept the last half hour - including the landing. We got to my brothers and have just enjoyed a nice 1 hour family nap. grin DS is still asleep.

Think we need to head into town for some essentials like baby spoons, a hairbrush for me and a few bits and bobs.

hales hope you don't have a bug! Very best speedy recovery wishes to you!
wl walking, yay! Hope you get more sleep tonight.
lazza hurrah for baby Lazza!

Wishing you all lots of sleepy Christmas babies for all the mummies and lots of great presents and food from the Nutella house! X

WLmum Tue 24-Dec-13 13:35:26

Jealous of lazza. Not jealous of willyou!
Welcome back nut. Hope you recover soon from your early start.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Tue 24-Dec-13 16:29:20

Welcome to the UK Nutella. Feel free to gorge yourself on mince pies and Pringles!

I went to sainsbos and it was empty! So I went to the mini asda across the road too. Got a kettle and loads of shit to eat!

Equimum Tue 24-Dec-13 19:42:48

Happy Christmas everyone!

We had an amazing gift last night - we got to go out for dinner as a couple for the first time since DS was born. As the weather was atrocious, we just went to a local restaurant, but it was lovely.

I hope everyone who is poorly feels better tomorrow, and that all the LOs sleep well tonight.

utopian99 Tue 24-Dec-13 19:48:27

Happy Christmas eve everyone!
We have been absent due to Christmas being a two week affair this year. Dh has booked enough days off to spend it all with us and my parents are hosting us and pil as well, plus my df retired today so looking forward to a glorious time.

Here's to everyone's families and hoping for lovely first Christmases tomorrow.

SpottyChristmasCakes Tue 24-Dec-13 19:51:53

Sorry for not replying to everything and me me me but.....

We've only just got power back after almost 24 hours without. Ffs I managed to get to work this morning but coming home was horrendous. There were 4x4s breaking down in the road that became a river. All roads out were flooded. I've had to abandon my car ten miles away. Luckily my dad rescued me (I will post a video of the rd on fb) but all the contents of my fridge freezer have to be chucked and it's just been a shit end to a shit year sad

WLmum Tue 24-Dec-13 20:11:09

Oh god spotty that's pretty shitty. Is that your Xmas dinner chucked out? I'd have cried. We were really lucky and didn't lose our power but it was all out for ages only a mile away.
DH is being a bit of a grinch - miserable bugger. I've given him a stern look so hopefully he's doing jolly bedtimes for dd1&2 now. Will pour some cider in him in a bit which should sort him out. I know he's just tired and we still have a lot to do but it's Xmas eve! Dd1&2 are being v excited and cute.
Poor T has 2 facial bruises - first one she sneeze head butted the tv table and second one she pulled the toilet lid down on her head! She's pretty snotty and didn't eat any tea so I'm not holding out for a good night.

SpottyChristmasCakes Tue 24-Dec-13 20:12:54

Luckily we're not here for Christmas dinner so it was just 'normal' food. I've been up since 4:30 and am knackered grin

SpottyChristmasCakes Tue 24-Dec-13 20:13:25

Oh no poor T!

WLmum Tue 24-Dec-13 23:02:36

Wrapping is finally done! Merry Christmas everyone!!

BarHumbugBeasty Wed 25-Dec-13 06:54:39

Happy Christmas. Hope everyone has a really special day.

2blessed Wed 25-Dec-13 07:10:38

spotty that's really shitty, I'm sorry.

Presents were wrapped, I showered and was in bed by midnight. DS woke up twice but he's back in his cot now.

Merry Christmas everyone!

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Wed 25-Dec-13 08:36:11

Merry Christmas ladies and babies!

I've been up with bloody sinus pain half the night, I look a right state grin Off to open some baby presents! Yippee!

halestone Wed 25-Dec-13 09:54:03

Spotty i hope today is better than yesterday for youthanks

Willyou i hope your sinuses are ok.

Merry Christmas to all my MN friends and families i hope you all have a wonderful daythanks

Stacks Wed 25-Dec-13 11:38:37

Merry Christmas all! And happy birthday to T - when did my baby become a toddler?

SpottyChristmasCakes Wed 25-Dec-13 12:08:21

Happy Christmas all smile I finally got a ring!

Happy birthday T.

Dd was so excited this morning it was lovely

MrsNutella Wed 25-Dec-13 13:33:05

spotty does that mean you're engaged???!!

SpottyChristmasCakes Wed 25-Dec-13 14:07:30

Yes smile it's too big so on my middle finger grin only took him 7 years!

BarHumbugBeasty Wed 25-Dec-13 14:58:34


halestone Wed 25-Dec-13 15:05:56

Happy Birthday Tthanks

Congratulations Spottygrin

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Wed 25-Dec-13 18:05:22

Congratulations Spotty -wonderful news thanks

Merry Christmas everyone. Hope you are all having a lovely time.

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Wed 25-Dec-13 18:06:18

Oh and many happy returns T cake

Maryland2013 Wed 25-Dec-13 20:08:25

Merry Christmas all!!

And congrats Spotty, I guess that means DP is forgiven ;)

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Wed 25-Dec-13 20:08:55

Congrats Spotty wine

Belly's exploding, look 5 months pregnant.

MiL been deeply irritating - biting butterkist popcorn in half, gobbing it out and feeding it to j. Someone pass the baileys!

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Wed 25-Dec-13 20:17:44

Well my MIL nearly blew the whole Father Christmas gig by asking FIL well within earshot of DS1 whether N's trike was the one he helped to build. I "reminded" her that N's trike was from Father Christmas and she must be getting it mixed up with the other one Grandad helped to make for DS1 when he was little. She managed to say it again before finally catching on and shutting up! Other than this she was very well behaved and it certainly doesn't compete with half - eaten popcorn <boak>

WLmum Wed 25-Dec-13 20:31:25

Massive congrats spotty!
We've had a really lovely day but T has hardly eaten a thing. Offered extra boob but she wasn't that bothered. Hope she doesn't wake up hungry as I'm not going backwards now!
The kangaroos were a hit but got added to the huge pile of stuff they got. I'll fb pics.

SpottyChristmasCakes Wed 25-Dec-13 20:52:40

Hmm I suppose dp is forgiven hmm he stopped on the way home to move a tree out of the road, reminded me he isn't all bad wink not many people would bother.

WillYou that's disgusting!

Ds ate loads today and cried when all his food had gone. Both dc were really well behaved considering what a busy day we had away from home. I'm off to eat ds' chocolate then I will be going to bed with my ring on my middle finger as it's too big

SpottyChristmasCakes Wed 25-Dec-13 21:07:13

Also should I put my ring on the house insurance (is that the best thing to do?)?

jackandjilly Wed 25-Dec-13 21:32:26

Congratulations spottygrin

BarHumbugBeasty Wed 25-Dec-13 21:46:56

Check what the limits are on your policy for individual items. It might be sufficiently covered anyway.

The DC didn't eat a huge amount, but did really well. Although we could hear singing and a harmonica from DD's room after she went to bed.

utopian99 Wed 25-Dec-13 22:10:42

Congratulations spotty!!

Maryland2013 Wed 25-Dec-13 22:39:39

Spotty usually insurance covers individual items up to a named amount. If the ring is worth more than that you have to specifically name it on the policy and it's value. Oh the romance! But I do like a practical woman!!

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 26-Dec-13 06:53:05

Thanks grin we only have contents insurance and I know I had to specify my laptop so I'd better do this as well, especially as I will need it covered for loss outside of the home. Dp and I don't do romance wink

Beasty that's really sweet! I love watching/listening to them when they think no ones around.

Christmas Day take two today at my mums, one bonus of having divorced parents hmmgrin

lazzaroo Thu 26-Dec-13 07:12:44

Congratulations spotty.

Pleased to hear everyone had lovely day yesterday. Ours was fab too. Both dc were stars even though they'd had very little sleep! We're knackered today.

They hd a crazy amount of presents. Only 5 days till baby lazza's birthday. Can't believe it.

lazzaroo Thu 26-Dec-13 07:16:10

Oh and we skyped in-laws in the morning so they could see dc open their presents & we could say thank you. They hadn't opened any of theirs. We've not heard from them since. Thought we might have got a quick phone call from them or bil.

2blessed Thu 26-Dec-13 09:28:06

Congratulations spotty

Belated birthday wishes T
I know the feeling willyou, I feel I look 5/6 months pregnant!
Popcorn! I would have been fuming!

I wasn't very popular last night. DP's dsis and DS when they visit like to go into our DS' room to make phone calls/texts. Well last night after DS had gone to bed they both went in there. I told them to come out as its not fair. If they were sleeping in their beds then noone would be hanging out in their room. Wibu?

That was only bit of drama, otherwise a lovely day. Off to play now.

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 26-Dec-13 09:35:08

2blessed I can't believe they thought it was ok to do that!

Lazza you'd think they'd phone to say thank you, maybe they'll do it today.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Thu 26-Dec-13 10:15:17

No YWNBU 2blessed. Who would do that? You treat a sleeping baby like an unexploded bomb too much call the midwife, surely everyone knows that?

WLmum Thu 26-Dec-13 10:20:21

2blessed that's just weird!
We've got Xmas day mark 2 with dhs huge extended family.
Loads of flooding round here too, going to have to take a v long way round to take my pal home in a bit.

WLmum Thu 26-Dec-13 12:24:30

Nothing like a bit of over catering - just made 42 mini quiches!

WLmum Thu 26-Dec-13 12:28:08

Ok so spotty gets a diamond ring and I get....wait for it...a new...recycling bin!!! Yep, romance all the way in our house!! Sadly, I'm actually delighted! He did also get me tickets for Charlie and the chocolate factory and lunch in town in a couple of weeks (and he booked matinee so the boobs can be back for bedtime and he's arranged the babysitter). smile

ddas Thu 26-Dec-13 12:35:01

Congrats spotty!! What a lovely Xmas present!
Have fun planning the big day.

wl myself & dh decided not to get each other Xmas presents as nothing we really wanted and instead are getting a new sofa!

2blessed that's just odd! Do they have kids themselves? Even so bit odd to go into a kids room to use the phone when they're sleeping. To be fair even if they are not I'd be a bit hmm

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Thu 26-Dec-13 13:49:15

Happy Boxing Day everyone!

DP has decided to empty our house out to make way for the ridiculous amount of toys we got. His brother and partner got us 3 of the largest, noisiest toys I have ever seen angry When DN was 1 we gave him money for his savings/to buy a car seat as requested. They even bought him a set of musical instruments (trumpet/tambourine/drum) for his birthday. Bastards!

DP is now stropping around all sulky as I've not managed to do as much tidying as him. I have however dealt with a teething baby, a poonami (requiring bath and full clothes changed), a leg trapped in a baby gate by me oops, DS' dinner and putting him down for a nap! I could do a shitload of tidying if I didn't have to do anything else!

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Thu 26-Dec-13 20:44:50


<whistles eerie tune>

SpottyChristmasCakes Thu 26-Dec-13 20:54:29

grin I'm off to bed soon as have work tomorrow (That's if I can get there with all the rain forecast). I still know people who've been without power since Monday sad

WillYou your dp is being a nob. Have some wine

ddas Thu 26-Dec-13 21:40:50

I'm off to work tomorrow too and sat plus sun sad but dh off on my normal days off mon & tues next wk which will be nice.

BarHumbugBeasty Fri 27-Dec-13 08:22:32

I'm shattered. After a mammoth 4 hr sleep yesterday, A decided that he didn't want to go to bed. He was just about going down at 11.45 when DD woke up and wet her bed.

She was sobbing her heart out but because she didn't answer DD straight away when he asked why, he just came back to bed and left her. So I went and she wanted medicine because her throat hurt. It must have been bad for her to ask for medicine. Even after dosing her, she didn't get properly to sleep until 1.30. And I was in her bed to make her go down.

Then she was up at 6.30, wanting help getting dressed and going downstairs- but I had to go too.

Now DO has finally surfaced I've come to hide upstairs for half an hour, and get a little peace!

Equimum Fri 27-Dec-13 09:17:16

I hope you get some rest Beasty

Congratulations Spotty

Popcorn? That's crazy!

Oh no Fandango. I think most of our family conspired to buy us the noisiest toys around.

Does anyone remember me mentioning the two bike fiasco? Well, it got worse. DILs did buy a balance bike, and have bought another bike for his birthday. A large mystery box from my aunt turned out to be a smart trike and on Xmas eve my brother -who hasn't given any gifts until now- turned up with a box that needed strapping to the top of his car - a battery operated Batmobile! It's at least 3.5/4 foot long and suitable for 3+. So, DS, not yet one, has three bikes and two cars!

Oh, and MIL hasn't spoken to me since Xmas eve when we gently reminded her that it would be helpful if they left the presents when they were here so 'Santa' could deliver them. Apparently, she was desperate to see everyone's faces when the present came in Xmas morning. They even cancelled coming over yesterday angry.

Sorry for long mememe post.

BarHumbugBeasty Fri 27-Dec-13 12:13:49

Oh Equimum what a nightmare.

DH has taken the DC out for an hour or so to let me get on with things. Although that means tidying the utter mess that they made of the sitting room and hall before my Dad and his girlfriend come this afternoon, and dealing with several loads of washing rather than resting!

But I think DH has arranged to work tomorrow, and for his mum to have the DC because he drove her to Winchester on Monday to save her getting the train in the awful weather. So hopefully a nice relaxing day coming up!

WLmum Fri 27-Dec-13 13:42:50

Bloody hell equi!

halestone Fri 27-Dec-13 15:06:20

Willyou oh no to all the noisy presents. We were lucky, H got loads of toys but they were smallish ones that have volume control on.

2blessed i can't believe your family thought it was ok to go in DS's bedroom whilst he was asleep. I think thats just weird.

Equi, OMG could you ebay them? And let MiL sulk she'll soon realise shes being pathetic.

Beasty i hope you manage to get some sleep tonight.

We assembled H's toys yesterday! Who knew that was a job that could cause so many arguments. Ha i think next time one of us can do it while the other one is out of the house.

Nutella are you enjoying being back in England?

WL hows T's eating now? H has barely eaten at all the last few days.

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Fri 27-Dec-13 17:52:30

Wow Equi that is a lot of vehicles! Maybe you should start a hire company or something grin

Sounds like a tough night Beasty. Will be sending some sleepy dust your way for tonight.

Hope you managed to get to work safely Spotty.

Have spent a fair bit of today sorting out to make space for all the Christmas toys. Have got one bag of stuff they've grown out of to donate and another bag full of stuff that just needs to be binned and that's so far. DH's stellar contribution to this process? Moaning that "having" to occupy his own children for a bit was eating into his valuable time of doing precisely fuck all and placing a book, a puzzle and some other random object in a discarded gift bag then putting it in the corner. In what world is that tidying? angry Sorry to vent but his manchild routine is starting to wear a bit thin.

SpottyChristmasCakes Fri 27-Dec-13 20:00:07

Goodness equi that's ridiculous.

My mum bought both dc matching presents so we now have two matching cuddly reindeer, two penguins and two fleece blankets. She got them some other stuff that's lovely and the blankets are lovely but I'm not a fan of cuddly toys as it is!

Equimum Fri 27-Dec-13 20:09:22

I hope you get your relaxing day Beasty

Having matching toys must be a bit frustrating Spotty, especially when there are so many lovely things around.

I'd leave him to do the sorting next time Ispy. DH and so usually do better when we're working on completely separate tasks in different parts of the house grin.

Gosh, yes, I could hire the vehicles out for parties! Especially the two that are at least 2 years too old for DS. We will sell one of the bikes.

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Fri 27-Dec-13 20:19:14

That's a lot of cars and bikes Equi. I feel a bit better about my glut of large toys now! grin

I'm not a cuddly toy fan Spotty. They do nothing but collect dust. Evil GMiL bought him the same enormous bunny for Christmas that her daughter (MiL) bought him as a birth present (ie when he was born. is there a term for this?). But she did buy him a very sweet m&s jumper too.

I shall see you at the tip Ispy as we have a tonne of stuff we've got to get rid of!

Sleep training is definitely working.

Day1: 44 m crying
Day2: 24 m
Day3: 14 m
Day4: 7 m
Day5: 2 m

Wahoo! Here's hoping there's no crying tomorrow.

Maryland2013 Fri 27-Dec-13 21:36:13

Will you that's excellent how are you doing this??
We need to do some sort of sleep training as if FS doesn't fall asleep during or just after his bottle he will not set lie unless we cuddle him in our bed or lie with him til he falls asleep. If we put him in his cot he doesn't cry but he jus stands up holding the cot bars shouting Dadda. He just won't lie down and sleep even if ridiculously tired. Any tips would be gratefully received.

Sorry to hear about useless presents. Sometimes people but what they like themselves rather than thinking of the child- as in the multiple unsuitable vehicles for Equis kids!!

Maryland2013 Fri 27-Dec-13 21:36:38

Will you that's excellent how are you doing this??
We need to do some sort of sleep training as if FS doesn't fall asleep during or just after his bottle he will not set lie unless we cuddle him in our bed or lie with him til he falls asleep. If we put him in his cot he doesn't cry but he jus stands up holding the cot bars shouting Dadda. He just won't lie down and sleep even if ridiculously tired. Any tips would be gratefully received.

Sorry to hear about useless presents. Sometimes people but what they like themselves rather than thinking of the child- as in the multiple unsuitable vehicles for Equis kids!!

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Fri 27-Dec-13 21:40:19

Well, DH has redeemed himself somewhat by agreeing that nightimes cannot go with N being basically attached to me so night-weaning has begun. I am sat downstairs mnetting while DH is upstairs settling N. His theory is that N will be fine if he can't see me, like he is in the day. I'm not convinced but certainly willing to give it a go.

Also, on Sunday I'm meeting up with some old school friends. I was going to do my usual of driving there, sticking to orange juice and driving back home. We are however meeting in a pub which is literally at the end of the road where my parents live. It is so tempting to stay over at their house so I can have a wine or two, and crucially an uninterrupted nights sleep. Obviously I wouldn't do it if I thought N would just be screaming all night, but if DH's theory is right I think I'll give it a go. Tonight is therefore a dry run. Wish us luck!!

FandangoLaLaLaLaLaLaLaaaa Fri 27-Dec-13 22:22:37

ISpy GET DRUUUUUUUUNK! Go out have fun, sleep at your mum and dad's and they will probably be so glad to have you that they'll probably lay on breakfast too!

Maryland - Rule no. 1 you must be fucking desperate! I was as DS had forgotten how to sleep at all, took 3h per night to go down and woke every 20 mins. I tried rocking, shushing, patting, singing, swinging, cosleeping and boring him to sleep with dull stories!

I give him his last feed in a bright room, give him his toothbrush and read him 2 stories. I say "night night" and give him a kiss. Then I place in cot.

He starts screaming as soon as I put him in cot. It's awful! I leave him 2 minutes, then go in stroke his hair, say time to sleep, kiss his forehead and lay him back down. He doesn't stop crying. Then I leave him for 5 minutes.

Repeat stroking, etc, lay him down again and leave for 7 mins. Repeat sequence again and then subsequent gaps are 10 mins.

It's hard BUT he'll then sleep for 5-12 hours, self settling as necessary. I have my evenings back and he's so much better rested.

It will be one of the hardest things you ever do though and I was so against cc until J slept 6am-9am 2 days running and nothing else sad. I was on my knees.

halestone Sat 28-Dec-13 00:29:56

Ispy i hope it works tonight so that you can go out and enjoy yourself with friends. I agree with Willyou get Drunk if you can, no alcohol has passed my lips since DP's birthday in Juneshock

Willyou, thats interesting to read. If J was stood up in his cot when you went back into the room would you lie him down?

I've been convinced H has been coming down with something today. Shes not been her usual self and i think i'm right shes got a very slight temp of 37.3 which i know is nothing but she feels like a radiator next to me. Something isn't right my mummy instincts are kicking in, but i'm not sure whether they are reliable instincts yethmm

2blessed Sat 28-Dec-13 07:06:16

Trust your mummy instincts hales. I'd start to get twitchy with that temp too.

Reading the sleep training stories with interest and a notepad. DS can be put in the cot and goes straight to sleep at nursery but when I do it he laughs and stands up.

Fx for you ispy

Want to be clear my family would never hang out in DS' room, awake or asleep! To be fair when I told dp about it the next day he rang his dsis (no dc and in 40's) straight away to reiterate what I had said and spoke to his DS1 too. He is good at backing me up. Its just always something though. Luckily I don't really have any stress from my family. As far as ds is concerned they are quiet supporters if that makes sense.

Maryland2013 Sat 28-Dec-13 07:10:51

2blessed that's the same as us!!!

Good on your DP sorting that issue out smile

Willyou we're not desperate as such, I just know I need to get him out if that habit of feeding to sleep and now he's 1 more so..

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Sat 28-Dec-13 08:36:24

We have established that N does not need boob or mummy to settle therefore it looks like Sunday might is on grin. Problem is, once he wakes up he refuses to go back in his cot and needs to be held by someone. My way of dealing it is to feed him back to sleep then to co-sleep with him feeding as and when during the night. Last night, he woke at 2am. DH did manage to get him back to sleep but he refused to lie either in his cot vor in the bed next to DH. They therefore ended up sat on the sofa with N asleep in DH's arms and DH unable to get any more sleep due to safety with being on the sofa. So, overall better than him screaming but not ideal. We are going to have to seriously think about sleep training.

SpottyChristmasCakes Sat 28-Dec-13 11:42:46

Ds hates me hmm he only wants dp. Cries and crawls away if I try to pick him up!

PurplePidjin Sat 28-Dec-13 14:20:08

He may well be feeling insecure about daddy's love for him Spotty and needing to reassure himself. He obviously has no such doubts about you thanks

SpottyChristmasCakes Sat 28-Dec-13 15:20:13

You think pidj? Yesterday I went to work and left him with dp whereas he usually goes to my step mum

PurplePidjin Sat 28-Dec-13 15:34:01

It's one theory smile it's pretty normal for toddlers to go through phases of wanting one particular person, it's a way of exerting control over their environment. R will only eat certain things if he gets to choose which piece from a plate - sandwiches, orange segments etc. He's learning that he can control stuff, it doesn't just happen around him. Tantrums are next when they try to control stuff we don't want them to, I'm trying to counteract it by offering choice on my terms - jeans or dungarees; wellies or shoes; wrap or buckles; breadstick or rice cake etc...

utopian99 Sat 28-Dec-13 19:30:42

ispy we're the same with dh settling O, although no co sleeping at night. We're still anti sleep training for now, but O currently goes from last milk at 7am through the day with no milk and settled by dh, with me feeding at 2am -ish wake up and again at 6/7.. Some gentle repetition of efforts towards the cot may get him used to it without too much force (although in our case took longer than sleep training does I think.)

Pidj may have something there. O is favoring my dm at the moment over me on occasion! Hrpmh. He has also hit tantrum phase early it seems - over things like me not letting him shred my purse hmm. I tell him why et I have/haven't done whatever he's cross about, let him lie down and strop on the floor but otherwise ignore him, and the strop ends in less than a minute.

WLmum Sat 28-Dec-13 20:04:23

ispy glad DH is being supportive, hope he manages to push the training to the cot though! T is accepting less boob and a quick cuddle before going back down now so def progress. I might try no boob tonight. hales her eating is still quite hit and miss but always less than she used to eat. I think it's teeth related.
spotty my older 2 tend to have a 'love the one your with approach' so if DH has been with them all day they want him and if they've been with me they want me. T is still a massive mummy's girl for now. She's happy with anyone until she sees me.
Got to do a bit of tidying and cleaning before tomorrow lunch time as we're the base for my mums birthday celebrations. There's a strange smell in the lounge currently - I suspect someone's spilt something I haven't discovered yet - thank god for febreeze!
DH is off all next week and I'm only working Monday so I'm planning a bit of a stuff cull.

WLmum Sat 28-Dec-13 20:06:58

pidj choices are an excellent way to help prevent tantrums and foster in dependant thinking.
utopian your little man is doing it all early! Think youve got a clever un there. T gets cross when she can't have stuff but is easily distracted for now.

We do choices with dd but I think ds is still too young for that. He does really scream and lie on the floor if you take something away/tell him no though. So different to dd!

Hope you find where that smell is coming from WL!

I'm so tired I'm in bed!

Spotty they're fickle little buggers aren't they? DS likes whoever gets up with him that day but has recently started crying for daddy when he comes in from work. So if he sees him but DP can't hold him constantly (usually because he's covered in oil or diesel) then DS goes crazy.

Ha clever little boy you have Utopian. We have paddies but a quick fake sneeze (bloody when santa got stuck up the chimney!) usually distracts him.

Sleep training going well tonight. Bit if whinging when I put him in cot but no crying so far!

I have 8 days of maternity leave left shock where has the time gone?

We've had such a fantastic Christmas that I am back to being stupidly broody grin just 6 months to work before we can try again. Just need to try to book a wedding now.

PurplePidjin Sat 28-Dec-13 20:50:05

Spotty i started getting R to choose his clothes before he was pulling up in his cot, maybe 7 months? I hold 2 items out and he grabs one! Sometimes he doesn't grab either so i pick a different two fgrin so he picks his top, trousers and shoes, i then put a vest and some socks on to coordinate. He picks the coat and shoes when we go out unless we need something specific eg waterproof and wellies for the park. He also gets a choice of sling unless i need a particular one (wrap for naps, buckles for when he'll be up and down). I also leave the toys accessible so he can choose those, he's been able to pass me the book he wants read for a few months now. I've done a mix of spoon and bl weaning so plenty of choice there too. He's tantrummed for 3-4 months now, brief ones when he's told not to do something like chew the remote and bigger ones when he's tired and needs a cuddle but i need to get my coat and sling on and can't get to him immediately fhmm it's just him telling me how he feels - the No ones i let him get on with it for a few seconds then hold my arms out for a cuddle, tell him i love him but x is dangerous and distract with a toy or song!

WLmum Sat 28-Dec-13 21:27:55

pidj I want you to be my mummy! (Not really, my mum is fab)
ispy I've just remembered that when dd2 was about 18 months I put my foot down about coming in our bed in the middle of the night - she was very cross! I spent a night or 2 mostly sitting on a chair in her room while she shouted and pointed at the door. Eventually she would get tired and when she was almost asleep I'd put her in her cot. She'd instantly go nuts and we'd start again but it was only a few nights before it was all done. Thought that might help.

WLmum Sun 29-Dec-13 09:06:03

Woo-hoo 2am wake up - cuddle/rock back to sleep with no boob!

BarHumbugBeasty Sun 29-Dec-13 11:51:42

Yes, the crying when phones are put out of A's reach!

Apparently it's next Saturday that I am child free, so yesterday we went and let DD spend her Christmas money on a pair of purple boots. Every pair in Bath hurt, so we ended up in Bristol and found a lovely pair in the sale.

On the way back there was huge crying from DD in the back of the car. Turns out she decided to see whether A had teeth yet, and discovered in no uncertain terms that he does!

A managed to climb onto the sofa yesterday and stood triumphantly on the arm. Thankfully DD caught him, but bumped herself in the process. Our peace is shattered though.

ISpyNotAnotherMincePie Sun 29-Dec-13 13:44:49

Thanks WL -that does give me some hope. Think we are just going to have to persevere and hopefully he will eventually realise that his cot is not a torture chamber but is in fact a rather comfy place to sleep with a pocket sprung mattress and everything grin

We are getting some tantrums too. N is very determined and once he's set his sights on something he will make his displeasure very clear if mean mummy deems it to be unsuitable for him. He also has a vice - like grip which makes it rather tricky if he actually manages to get hold of something he shouldn't have.

halestone Sun 29-Dec-13 15:16:14

H sounds like N, Ispy. I definitely recognise the vice like grip. And the looks she can give if she can't get what she wants. I don't know who she gets that fromwink

WL yay to the good sleep and easy settling, long may it last.

Yay for good sleep smile

Ds loves me again I've had loads of cuddles today grin

My ring is gone sad off to be resized don't see why they couldn't just swap it hmm

Argh I've just fed the children mouldy bread blush

MrsNutella Sun 29-Dec-13 18:36:36

Hello everyone. Back in Hannover hmm in the cold & wet... Ok it wasn't that much better in England wink but at least the food was yummy! I ate loads of Christmas lunch. It was awesome. We also bought back a few bits and bobs ( you know essentials like squash, whole earth crunchy peanut butter, crisps and green & blacks baking choc). But we were given way more stuff than we were expecting. I may have also ordered more nappies than I realised.... But we borrowed a case from my little brother and brought home an extra 18ish kilos of luggage!

spotty glad DS still loves you smile but you might have ruined it with the mouldy bread wink. Whoops!

We didn't get too many noisy toys. We have lots of wooden stuff. Not by design or intention it just seems to have ended up that way... I might buy him noisy stuff for his birthday when we get home.
We have lots of hands free standing and the odd step, from DS. H also loved climbing the stairs at my Dbro's house.
Most silly gift for taking up huge amount of space was a chocolate Santa... But lovely that my middle brother actually bought presents for us all. He is errr different. He will tell you things like the cd he bought you is really good and that he listened to it loads after importing it to his MP3 player.... Errrr thanks hmm.

PurplePidjin Sun 29-Dec-13 18:43:56

Penicillin Spotty fwink

WLmum Sun 29-Dec-13 19:38:47

Mmm green and blacks nutella - I ate my Xmas g&b for breakfast this morning and then made a chocolate biscuit cake with a ton of g&b for my mums birthday - it must have been good as everyone (14 all told) came back to ours after the resto and there's not a scrap left! For those with older dc its a bbc good food recipe called refrigerator cake and its great for making with smalls - dd1&2 helped today.

Total shock - my db bought us an iPad air for Xmas! We normally have a £10 ish limit!! I'm so bowled over I'm not sure what to do with it!

WLmum Sun 29-Dec-13 19:41:49

spotty don't worry, I've sent mouldy sarnies in a pack lunch before now. Don't think it does any harm just tastes awful.
I'm being v good about moving toys and books to dhs wardrobe ready to go in my mums garage. Books I've always felt must be kept but we've got a ton and regularly borrow from the library so some of the less (or not at all or irritating) ones must go.

We have some wooden toys as they're my favourite. Unfortunately the dc much prefer the noisy plastic crap grin

I love g&bs. Mix in a saucepan with butter, golden syrup and cream for the naughtiest cake filling/topping (or just to eat with a spoon!).

Dd went to bed without a fuss hooray! What with many illnesses etc over the past month or so she's got into some bad habits. Fingers crossed things will start to get back to normal now.

I've forgotten what everyone said now hmm

Hope you had a lovely time here Nutella, albeit wet!

WL you lucky thing!

utopian99 Sun 29-Dec-13 20:20:42

wl will your mum keep them for you? Mine has stored all toys and books from when dbro and i were little so O has a fantastic retro stash to use at the gps house. The pils haven't done so with dh's though, so at least it gives us a venue to store the plastic gifts we've been given and dh won't have in the house some of the excess new ones.

Last day of extended Christmas here, seeing family on my father's side, some of whom have only met O today. Everyone lovely and we're feeling very lucky to have such a good set of people around him. Season of goodwill going strong!

Up to Manchester again tomorrow, for new years with friends then back home, first time since we left on Dec 20th - phew. What was everyone doing this time last year? We spent new year's eve on the sofa under a 4 day old shouting, feeding machine, still waiting for the shell shock to subside!

halestone Mon 30-Dec-13 11:18:21

I was going to give H's toys to charity, but i got told they don't accept teddies. I'm hoping thats not true as H has loads.

Utopian on NYE last year we were also stuck to the couch with H who felt like she never stopped BF although we do have a picture of her lay on her belly across DP's lap. I can also remember having a huge bust up with him, as H wouldn't sleep and thanks to everyone else he thought it was down to BF so he wanted to give her a bottle.hmm

halestone Mon 30-Dec-13 15:02:32

H has got a rash it started on her left wrist and left thigh but seems to be spreading up her arm and down her leg and also looks like its starting on her right leg. I can't check properly as shes been asleep for close to 2 hours which is highly unusual. Any suggestions?? Her temperature is normal.

PurplePidjin Mon 30-Dec-13 17:40:38

This time last year i was locked in mil's spare room and dp was in hospital

Viral hales?

WLmum Mon 30-Dec-13 20:36:15

hales wouldn't worry too much if her temp is normal and she seems otherwise ok. Keep an eye and get her checked tomorrow if you're worried. Nice work on sticking to your bf guns!

WLmum Mon 30-Dec-13 20:36:37

I'm off to tesco - joy!

PurplePidjin Mon 30-Dec-13 20:49:03

Dp isn't dp any more...

ddas Mon 30-Dec-13 20:57:31


halestone Mon 30-Dec-13 21:02:23

Sorry not had chance to get on she woke up at 3:30 and screamed and screamed we gave her calpol and anbesol and basically did anything she wanted to try and calm her down. My dad rang my mum (which is a big deal ha) and she came over. Of course just before she arrived H calmed down. She has been very narky all day so i'm hoping shes just felt abit moody. I can't shake the feeling that somethings not right with her though she just hasn't been herself for a few days.

WL i went to Asda before (while my mum was here i had to go as its my dads birthday tomorrow)and it was busy but i got an empty till and was in and out in less than 10 minutes.

Pidj, i'm not sure what you mean, but are you ok? We're here if you need to talkthanks

PurplePidjin Mon 30-Dec-13 21:10:17

Nearly ddas df grin

halestone Mon 30-Dec-13 21:16:53

Congratulations Pidjthanks

BarHumbugBeasty Mon 30-Dec-13 21:51:36

Congratulations Pidj.

SIL has asked DH to give her away when she marries her BF at some unspecified point in the future. He's very touched (their dad died nearly 8 years ago, and there are 2 other brothers who could have been asked).

We're starting operation-get-A-to-go-down-in-his -cot tomorrow. It involves moving it from our room to the room he is meant to share with DD and putting them to bed at the same time. As DH said, if it's a disaster, it's not as though he ends up in the cot anyway so we don't exactly need it in our room!

WLmum Mon 30-Dec-13 23:08:22

Hoorah for pidj and the soon to be officially mrpidj!
hales if you're worried get her checked over.
The amazingly generous and wondrous iPad is driving me mental. I don't know how to use it which I hate and I've just bought an expensive educational app for the dds which doesn't seem to be doing what it should. Grrr.

WLmum Mon 30-Dec-13 23:09:35

My father has never been in my life so my dm gave me away. She was very chuffed.

WLmum Tue 31-Dec-13 03:17:14

Give me strength - just spent an hour settling T without boob. We're going backwards. I'm getting close to the end of my patience and we may be entering full on cc soon. Fed up!

Congratulations pidj smile when's the wedding?! I'm already stressing over ours I just can't be bothered grin I would elope but I want the dress and presents

Beasty that's lovely. Dd and ds share a room. Ds goes down at 6:30 and dd at 7.

WL hope your night improved.

MrsNutella Tue 31-Dec-13 08:30:44

The last few nights have been super pants here. DS is not settling and staying asleep sad I'm realllllllllly hoping that it is walking or some sort of developmental leap that is unsettling him....

spotty and * pidj* congratulations on the wedding planning. I wrote a longer post but DS helped confused and deleted it....

PurplePidjin Tue 31-Dec-13 09:01:55

Probably spring 2015. Register office then pub lunch. I don't want a meringue frock, all that attention or a silver cutlery set grin

MrsNutella Tue 31-Dec-13 09:27:43

pidj I never thought previously about weddings but I wanted a nice dress. Then somehow when I had the dress and the venue everything else fell into place.

Almost finished packing for our big holiday/ honeymoon.... DH has the whole of January 2014 off (hurrah for the german system) and it has long been our plan to go away. January 2013 was so dark, wet and horrible we promised ourselves a sunny holiday. So florida for three weeks in a camper van here we come! I'm trying not to pack too much stuff so that we can buy a few bits there but being pregnant doesn't make that so much fun... Oh well....

WLmum Tue 31-Dec-13 10:04:28

pidj have the wedding you want and it will be fabulous!
nut so very jealous!

Shit and fuck my washing machine is £300 worth of broken. It's only 13 months old and of course had a 12 month guarantee. I guess I'll be arguing with zanussi today then.

Equimum Tue 31-Dec-13 10:16:10

Congratulations Pidge, what a lovely way to end the year.

How is your LO today Hales. DS had a horrible rash just before Christmas, which turned out to be accompanying an ear and throat infection the other symptoms of which we had thought were teething, so definitely get her checked out if you're still concerned.

Have a lovely honeymoon Nutella. When do you go?

It was F's birthday yesterday, so we took him to the Sealife Centre. He was completely spoilt rotten. I now need to come up with an effective system of storing four times the number of toys we had before Christmas. As well as a garage, our lounge now resembles a Vtech tip showroom. Don't get me wrong, I'm very grateful, but will be walking everyone past the gorgeous traditional toyshop at some point this year.

Equimum Tue 31-Dec-13 10:17:00

I hope you get some joy out if Zanussi WL

BarHumbugBeasty Tue 31-Dec-13 10:46:47

Good luck WL

Pidj my little brother and SIL went off and got married just the two of them in Cuba, then had a meal with just immediate family a few weeks after they got back. It was really nice, and a total contrast to my other brother's ott event. We were somewhere in between. Do what makes you happy and it will be lovely.

Although my ott brother did miss a trick with his December wedding - I saw photos yesterday of someone with a reindeer at theirs. Now that looked good!

I think both DC will like sharing their room, but I can see it destroying DR'S currently excellent sleeping.

Good luck WL, I have no luck at all with washing machines. I've lived in this house for 5 years and have had 4 washers.

Congrats Pidj, I hate the idea of a large wedding. I keep begging DP to elope but he doesn't want to upset his mum hmm.

Hope H is feeling better Hales.

envyenvyenvy is all I have to say to you Nutella! Hope you have a fantastic time.

DP did his first bedtime post-sleep training. It did not go well! He went in too soon and picked J up and chatted to and rocked him. There has been one rule to my sleep training NEVER PICK HIM UP! I ended up having to cuddle J to sleep as he was so hysterical. Tonight is a new start though eh?

What will the supermarket be like today? I need coke for my New Year's Eve rum supplies.

WLmum Tue 31-Dec-13 11:41:35

They're coming out for free on sat as a start - I'm arguing serious danger grounds - it blows out my kitchen electrics and I can start it with the door open. Super with 3 young kids! Just about to take 3 loads to my mums.

Maryland2013 Tue 31-Dec-13 11:47:06

Congrats Pidj how lovely!

Wow Nutella that sounds a wonderful trip. I fancy a US road trip you must tell us all about it when you're back smile

WL you need to argue with your retailer first, that's who your contract is with. Screw the guarantee- quote the sales of goods act. Goods have to last a reasonable amount of time. Money saving expert website has good template letters etc Good luck!!

Hales DS had a rash when he first had strawberries (!) we gave him anti histamine medicine and it went away. I would prob get her checked though..

Maryland2013 Tue 31-Dec-13 11:48:14

WL that sounds a nightmare and VERY dangerous!!!

halestone Tue 31-Dec-13 15:18:17

H's top 2 fangs have come through and bottom 2 can be seen. I think thats what has been wrong with her. These have been the worst teeth yet to come through.

WL i hope you sort your washing machine out.

Nutella i'm also very envy of your holiday. I hope you all have an amazing time.

Pidj and Spotty i hope you both enjoy your wedding planning.

I hope everyone has lovely plans for tonight. We're just staying in the house with my dad. We've just been out for my dads birthday meal.

Nightmare WL! Our hot point is still going strong after five years but it seems people on here hate hot point hmm

Nutella lucky you!

We're planning on getting married winter 2014 but we will see. I don't want to put any money in myself and would quite like to have some of the money from my dad left over for a rainy day grin

ISpyPlumPie Tue 31-Dec-13 15:44:41

Congratulations Pidge - wonderful news thanks

Have a fantastic time nut - it sounds amazing

Hope you get it sorted WL

Think we're probably going to stay in tonight as well. We sometimes go round to the neighbours who have similar aged DC or they come here, but we've not sorted anything for this year. Think the night out I had on Sunday will have to last me for a while grin.

We will get an Indian tonight yum!

Carpet shopping tomorrow hmm I'm a bit too excited I think!

Dd just said 'dad, do you mind if I poo in the bath?' hmmgrin

Ds is a gannet who has a complete meltdown when all his food has gone. A whole bowl full of risotto all finished cue lots of crying. Yoghurt all gone cue crying. Managed to fill him up with a pear. hmm

utopian99 Tue 31-Dec-13 18:48:52

Congratulations pidj! And have a glorious honeymoon nut! Our friends got married this summer at the registry office then had a knees up at the local cricket pavilion. Great fun was had, home made cider drunk, and much rounders/cricket/wiff waff was played.
Having said which, have been to other friends' weddings in grand venues with all the trimmings and loved them too - so long as you're there for a couple who genuinely love each other and are having fun then in my experience it's all good.

Spotty O is a yoghurt monster too, it's like crack to him. hmm

We're having boozy new years supper with some friends, Inc dh's ex who is an AWESOME cook. She has just arrived with half a sheep to slow roast! grin

BarHumbugBeasty Tue 31-Dec-13 19:34:23

Well night one of room sharing has its ups and downs- the up is that DD managed to go to sleep through A's screaming. The down is that, after an hour of crying, he's down on my lap having a feed.

We're staying in and just having left over nibbley bits not used over Christmas- homemade sausage rolls, pigs in blankets, salad and dip. With champagne provided by MIL- who has been very good and not interfered in our attempt to sleep train at all.

Round 2 tomorrow!!

We're staying in too and picking up a car seat tomorrow.

DP's failed bedtime attempt yesterday has totally fucked the sleep training up. After 2 wonderful bedtimes I've now been listening to him scream for 24 minutes again. This is shit!

Good luck beasty!

WLmum Tue 31-Dec-13 19:54:13

Haha spotty! Don't know what your dp is like but mine finds torpedoes rather tricky!

willyou I think I set our sleep training back by feeding at 4 night before last. It's a strict policy now and going to get stricter if I don't see some improvements fast. Hope ds remembers what chapter you were on soon.

We're staying in too. I had thought of inviting some friends round but tbh I'm so knackered and grouchy I'm glad we didn't. I think I must be due on - I've been in a filthy mood for 2 days, am uber clumsy and now have a horrid head. Glass of medicinal red, a few jobs and bed.

Good luck for tonight fellow sleep trainers.

He's still going. I'm off to shh pat then get myself a baileys to help me through!

MrsNutella Tue 31-Dec-13 20:10:58

equi we are in a hotel near the airport tonight and we fly tomorrow morning. I think we take off at 9:50...

The shuttle bus is booked for 7am. We will probably be up around 6 to shower and get DS ready. We just had room service - very posh... Well it was a burger and DS is asleep so all good. Now DH wants to cuddle and I am making ridiculous noises (burps from both ends... Oops. I Blame the pregnancy) Not sure if it was the chips, the cookies I ate in the train or the yoghurt I just had. Not sure he still wants to cuddle. grin

Think we will be asleep in an hour or less. Hopefully DS sleeps well tonight.
I don't know whether or not I believe in it but DS's amber necklace fell off a couple of days ago and I didn't put it back on. 2 crap nights later and I've decided, well why not try it again... He is dead to the world. Could also be the exciting train trip though... hmm

MrsNutella Tue 31-Dec-13 20:15:43

Hope everyone enjoys their NYE celebrations! This time last year I was about to go home from the hospital to try and get a decent nights sleep before they carried on inducing me the next day when my waters broke.

At about 22:30 I had an awesome bath and the lovely midwives gave DH a big plate of food because they were celebrating and had plenty. He was really hungry pleased; but he stank of garlic afterwards. Then at midnight they gave DH and I a glass of Sekt and at 7:19 DS finally arrived. smile Bit of a different way to spend NYE.

BarHumbugBeasty Tue 31-Dec-13 21:24:41

Well, A has been playing with his stacking cups and begging food & drink for 2 hrs now. Whenever he comes to me to feed he snacks for a minute then bites to tell me he wants to get down hmm

Not getting much of the hobbit watched either. ...

utopian99 Wed 01-Jan-14 00:40:46

Well O went to sleep while we had amazing three course supper, then woke up at 11.40 and Would Not Go To Sleep. He is now up with the rest of us, being the life and soul. Dh's ex and her gf gave been discussing babies - if O doesn't give them the blunt truth nothing will! grinhmm

WLmum Wed 01-Jan-14 07:01:21

utopian he's clearly a very sociable little chap who was not going to miss out!
We had a good night in that when T woke at 2.15 she settled again after just a 2 min cuddle. She did start the new year with me at 5.15 however! Got dm, db, sil and dns coming for lunch today.
Happy new year all!

WLmum Wed 01-Jan-14 07:02:29

maryland been meaning to say thanks for the tip re money saving expert and the washing machine. I'll def check it out.

BarHumbugBeasty Wed 01-Jan-14 08:47:44

Happy new year everyone.

A fell asleep downstairs with us and went into his cot at about 11.30, then woke up and was in with us from around 1.45am. DD woke up then and took my hand to come into put room but went back happily when DH took her, then woke at about 4 am worrying about where A was!

So not too bad, if we can cracking getting him to bed before 11!!

PurplePidjin Wed 01-Jan-14 09:37:28

After a 4am nappy change R went back down till 8 shock

My wish for this year is that it shall be as dull as a dull thing from Dullsville, Dullifornia fhmm

ISpyPlumPie Wed 01-Jan-14 11:04:48

Happy new year everyone and many happy returns T cake

halestone Wed 01-Jan-14 11:35:15

Happy New Year to you and your families. I hope 2014 brings you alot of good health and happiness.grinwinethanks

Happy Birthday T.

H was awake at midnight as she managed a poonami which resulted in a whole sleepsuit change. DP took her down this morning so i could have a sleep in. I love him sometimes ha.

ddas Wed 01-Jan-14 12:34:27

Happy new year everyone! We're in farnborough at the moment looking for somewhere to eat- spotty are you local to here to recommend somewhere child friendly?

Not near enough I'm afraid it's not somewhere we ever go

Happy New Year everyone!

Sometimes this thread makes you feel so much better about your own shit nights sleep grin. I endured 1.5h of screaming before giving in and cuddling to sleep for a further hour. He slept on our bed 9:45-12:15, up for a bottle then down in his own 4:30 then 20 minutes of cuddling and we coslept until 8:30.

I have no idea if tonight will be better but at least I'm not alone.

ddas Wed 01-Jan-14 15:52:36

Nope dd is still a rubbish sleeper. Her brother was a great sleeper no really reason for it just different personalities. Got a letter from hv with milestones they should achieve by 1 & if any concerns with any to contact them otherwise they'd leave us to it. All good till we got to sleeping through the night! Which isn't even a developmental milestone!

BarHumbugBeasty Wed 01-Jan-14 18:49:48

Half an hour of crying and then he let DH calm him down and he went to sleep. We'll see how long he stays down for.. but at least he's settled in his cot. And not fed to sleep. So a real break through.

Back to work tomorrow. Not looking forward to it, but not won the lottery yet!

WLmum Wed 01-Jan-14 19:37:52

Happy birthday nutbaby!

BarHumbugBeasty Wed 01-Jan-14 19:38:38

Wake up number 1, but DH him back down. We are now not allowed to joke about thinking sounds on the TV are him waking up!

utopian99 Wed 01-Jan-14 23:06:41

Happy birthday nutlet!

WLmum Wed 01-Jan-14 23:57:34

Another lovely day but another bloody late night. Late nights and 5.15 starts are not a happy combination!

BarHumbugBeasty Thu 02-Jan-14 06:13:53

A woke every hour until we brought him in with us at around 11.30, but was settled each time and was there for 5 hours in the end.

But I didn't sleep well and was up at 4.40.

Bit concerned that the way he's nearly back to breastfeeding only means that he'll struggle at nursery today and that I'll struggle not expressing at work.

Ds is still asleep after a 6:20 bedtime. Dd otoh thinks 5am is an acceptable time to get up hmm

BarHumbugBeasty Thu 02-Jan-14 07:06:24

We can't complain when DD gets up that early, because most work days so do I! In fact both DC and I were up dressed an ready before 6 this morning and DH wasn't far behind. I hate it! Roll on the weekend.

I'm only up that early once a week so I'm not sure what dd's excuse is. She keept saying she was hungry! Maybe 7pm is getting too early for her?

WLmum Thu 02-Jan-14 14:20:54

We had a crap night again - it seems we have one good followed by one bad. T was up at 1.15 and then again 20 mins later when u decided enough was enough and started letting her cry for a bit and then going in, laying her down, quick rub/pat. She cried on and off til 3.30 and then got up bright as a button at 5.30. Cc tonight. She better learn fast because I've really had enough now!

Ds just had his jabs and was super brave smile

BarHumbugBeasty Thu 02-Jan-14 19:31:41

A survived nursery with no bottle. In fact they said they think no bottle helped him eat more, and he drank lots of cow milk.

DH is still upstairs settling A and trying to get him to sleep not wanting to admit that getting him to sleep at every waking last night was pure luck . Poor DD said on the way home that she doesn't want A sleeping in her room any more because she doesn't like all the crying. In fairness she falls asleep to the sound of him balling his eyes out and I wouldn't like that either.

I loved not having to pump when I got home. I got to prep dinner ready to just shove in the oven in a mo, and got washing done and all sorts!

WLmum Thu 02-Jan-14 19:34:06

Bless him spotty. I've postponed Ts til week after next so I can take her. Not looking forward to it. We went to wisley today for the enchanted story trail - it was def worth a visit if you get a chance before it ends on 5th. We went last year when T was just 2weeks old. How time flies.

WLmum Thu 02-Jan-14 19:36:21

beasty I def think T is starting to eat more during the day now she's getting the message that night milk is off the menu. Poor dd, dd2 gets upset (and a bit cross) when T really wails.

Glad jabs went okay Spotty, j's will come next week when I'm back at work hmm

Yay to no pumping Beasty, glad A had a good day at nursery.

Poor DD's though having to listen to crying babies. Hopefully they'll get the sleep training message soon.

J's shrieking in his bed as I type. I hate sleep training with a passion.

WLmum Thu 02-Jan-14 21:40:35

willyou I hope the shrieking didn't last too long. I'm utterly exhausted and off to bed now but with a feeling of dread.

I hope your nights are ok sad

Poor dd beasty! Dd had her hands over her ears when ds had his jabs I think it upset her a bit (although I had prepared her) she was begging dp not to hurt ds when he was taking the plasters off.

Ds was awake when I took dd to bed tonight but they both went to sleep without a peep shock

ISpyPlumPie Thu 02-Jan-14 22:33:30

N's got his jabs on Tue - managed to swap from Thursday so I can take him, but DS1 will be with us too and I can imagine him having a very similar reaction to your DD Spotty.

Good luck to those who are sleep training tonight. Have started leaving N for minute or so before picking him up to settle. It did seem to be helping him to get the message that it's bedtime. I am however currently feeding him hmm so it has had somewhat limited success tonight. Might need yo consider stepping up to full on sleep training but not sure if I'm quite ready yet. Find the minute or do that we do hard and I know I need to toughen my resolve for it to have any chance of working.

I cuddled to sleep after 1.5h of screaming and it was absolutely lovely. I stroked his face and he lay smiling at me before falling asleep. He's v unsettled tonight, he has the most mahoosive molar almost through. It feels like an adult tooth.

utopian99 Fri 03-Jan-14 00:15:18

We ditched sleep training due to hating it with a passion, so I feel for anyone caught up in it. Fx it works fast or here to support you if you choose to ditch.

O was naturally down to 1 or 2 wakes before Christmas but due to 10 days moving about, sharing our room again, and being boobed into silence at the first squeak,we are back to 3. Hmm. He's still on no day milk from me though, so just need to get back into the norm. He's been super clingy and distressed since we got home though - I had a mild tummy bug 24 hrs ago, so hoping it's not that.

Bastard road is closed angry

Barbeasty Fri 03-Jan-14 07:52:28

We're not even thinking about reducing the waking yet. This is just us getting him to go down in the cot to start the night! Although he went down at 7 and didn't come into us until 11.30pm.

It was quite a jump in eating yesterday. On Wednesday he ate 1/8 an English muffin, one carrot stick and 3 pieces of pasta. That was all, and about par for the course for the whole Christmas break. Yesterday he ate porridge at breakfast, half his pasta carbonara with veg and a whole pot of fruit salad, all his baked beans and half his toast and a piece of fruit.

I'm exhausted now, after just 2 early starts. Can't wait until tomorrow. And I get a mostly child free day too. Can get the house sorted or just watch the 3rd series of the Killing that I got for Christmas

PurplePidjin Fri 03-Jan-14 12:12:18

Imo sleep training either works in a day or two or won't and you should try something else. They're either ready or not, like potty training!

Barbeasty Fri 03-Jan-14 13:24:36

Well, at the risk of cursing it he seems to be picking up the going to sleep in his cot thing. If we weren't seeing improvements we'd be giving up- we said at the start we'd try for a week. But we could tell on day 2 and 3 that it's been progressively better.

But I can tell he built my supply up over the holiday- all I'll say is that I'm pleased to be wearing a black cotton top and a big cardigan. I might try and collect them early from MIL though, purely for my own comfort!!

halestone Fri 03-Jan-14 14:19:12

We saw the HV today, she offered some positive advice on how to cope at the moment, i have really struggled over christmas. And now we have an action plan for H's sleep and getting her back in the cot. She basically confirmed that we were planning on doing it the right way. But said it may take a while as she is so use to being in our bed. It was a really good visit for the 1st time in a long time, i didn't feel judged and felt like i was a good parent.

WL, i have my fx that tonight is a better night for you and you as well Willyou. I'm glad that A is doing better with his cot Beasty.

Spotty where were you stuck? FX your not stuck anymore.

Its my friends 30th Birthday tonight and she's having a party, i'm popping in once i finish work.

lazzaroo Fri 03-Jan-14 14:30:08

Happy new year all! Baby Lazza has turned 1. We had tea & cake at home. She's also now weaned completely to a cup. Was much easier than I thought. In fact, she really wasn't bothered!

I'm just checking in to say good bye! New Years resolution is less screen time. It seems like a good time to stop checking in. It's been SO helpful to share things on here but things have really settled down.

Good luck to all of you ...especially those sleep training...and to those with new little ones on the way.

halestone Fri 03-Jan-14 15:12:22

Happy Birthday to baby Lazzathanks

Sorry your leaving Lazza, if you decide to come back we'll be here for you wheneverthanks

utopian99 Fri 03-Jan-14 19:25:46

Bye lazza! Good luck for the new year and we're always here if needed.

Sounds like good news on people's sleep fronts. O grabbed his water bottle and seemed all set for a massive drink from that till I got the boob out; wondering if I should have now, but he didn't have a huge supper so thought he'd want the nutrients. Has anyone else gone on to cow's milk now they're one? Thinking of it, but when I offered from a cup he thought it was decidedly odd.

utopian99 Fri 03-Jan-14 19:27:08

And happy birthday baby lazza!

Have just realised I have no new year's resolutions. blush

Good bye lazza!

Ds has been having cows milk for ages and he has his night time milk in a cup. Fourth night now and he drinks it then goes down with no problems. Soon I will give him his milk before his bath so I can brush his teeth after his milk.

I just booked a holiday grin not until June but super excited! hope work authorise my holiday request or I quit

WLmum Fri 03-Jan-14 20:53:29

Fare thee well lazza
Glad hv was good hales, hope you haven't been feeling low?
Last night was a mixed bag - T cried out at 2 but seemingly settled herself straight away, again at 3 and settled with a quick pat but 4 o'clock was a different story. After over an hour of on/off crying which had progressed from whinging to sobbing I caved and picked her up and cuddled her to sleep. I know she should be going to bed awake but she often falls asleep on the boob while I'm reading with dd1 - tonight I tried hard to rouse her before I put her down but she wasn't having any of it!
I think pidj is right - if it doesn't work in a few days we'll stop but we already have some self settling where before we had none so I'm hopeful.

Barbeasty Fri 03-Jan-14 21:01:01

A has cow's milk when he isn't with me and has done for a while with MIL

And the big news is that tonight he settled himself. In his cot.

WLmum Fri 03-Jan-14 21:16:47

Go baby*beasty*!

PurplePidjin Fri 03-Jan-14 21:38:41

Bollocks to "should", they do what they do when they're good and ready. My mum always went on about how great a sleeper i was, how easy a baby etc ad nauseum, why isn't R like that and what should i be doing differently? We stayed there new year's day. R woke at 1:30 for the day. Suddenly all babies are wakeful, i remember when you went through a phase of this, wasn't Pidj a nightmare when she was teething... Basically, she'd forgotten. Because i was mostly a great sleeper, but there were nightmare patches. And her overriding memories are from 18 months upwards, so 6-6 was pretty established; the early days become a blur and babies are babies till they're 2 iyswim.

Fwiw, R boobs to sleep every night. He wakes because there's a problem (apart from very very occasionally as in one or two times ever, it's solved by 1/ nappy change 2/ drink of water 3/ calpol) then once the problem is solved, he's asleep before my head hits the pillow. That's who he is and, apart from a nudge in the right direction, I've had very little input. I have a friend whose dc slept through from 4 days old. Another whose dc was well over 2. Fuck all to do with parenting.

R loves cows milk, i give it sometimes at snack time. He also adores honey sandwiches and honey nut cornflakes

and sugar puffs

Yay baby beasty smile

Sorry you're still having a hard time WL.

My mum reckons I slept through the night at two weeks confused

FriendofDorothy Fri 03-Jan-14 21:43:29

It has taken me ages to find this thread!

Is anyone still breastfeeding? I am thinking that I need to wean The Little Mister because my nipples just won't take it now that I am pregnant. The pain is horrid.

Does anyone have any advice on how to go about it?

Oh poor you fod. Have you tried not offering and not refusing?

FriendofDorothy Fri 03-Jan-14 21:48:41

He tends to claw at my chest when he wants boob! He is a proper boob man!!!

I am thinking about getting a different cup, maybe one like this so it feels different to his water cup.

Hmm I suppose you won't know how he will take it until you try! Ds went on nursing strike so was easy for me to stop (sob)

PurplePidjin Fri 03-Jan-14 22:05:21

Still going but not pg, FoD smile i got him to twice a day by offering a drink and biscuit whenever he asked between meals, over the course of a week he took the biscuit more and more and is now only morning nap and bedtime. Night weaning i just didn't get 'em out, he accepted cuddles back to sleep then over a short period stopped waking as much, normally once for a nappy if at all.

Water here is in a no-spill cup, milk in a free flow. The water cup is available all the time, milk he gets 1" every so often. I must give him more, although he gets yoghurt, cheese and something green and leafy every day!

FriendofDorothy Fri 03-Jan-14 22:09:21

We have managed to wean him overnight by The Mister going in to settle him.

He is mainly getting milk first thing in the morning, occasionally at about 4.30pm to get him through to tea and then before bedtime.

I suspect he is wanting boob for the cuddles and comfort as I am sure nutritionally it doesn't offer too much.

I am in two minds about stopping but my boobs hurt like fuck and I can't take it any more!

ISpyPlumPie Fri 03-Jan-14 22:13:40

Goodbye Lazza. Hope BabyLazza had a nice birthday.

Sorry to hear you've been feeling down Hales but glad that the HV appointment went well.

I'm still bf, but N is another one who's had cows milk when he's not with me in the day for a while. He rarely bothers though and just seems to make up for it during the evening/night. He did start having a cup of cows milk before bed to prevent him grabbing DS1's cup, and we do their teeth after that. Although I found a massively reassuring article on Kellymom about bm not affecting teeth in the same way (and DS1 fed during the night until 2.5 with no apparent ill-effects to his teeth) I think I will feel more comfortable once teeth are brushed after the last feed but that just isn't doable atm due to his level of night feeding - I'd spend half the night cleaning them again!

You have my sympathy FOD as I fed until I was 4 months pg and sensitivity definitely increased again. We were in a different situation, as DS1 was older and I think ready to wean anyway. I went away for two nights (best friend's hen-do, longest I'd ever been away from him) and when I got back I just calmly explained that we didn't do boob anymore. He accepted it fair more readily than I thought he would, and I think this may partly have been because my milk was changing. It's far easier to explain to a 2.5 year old than a 12 month old though. Hope you manage to find something that works for you both.

WLmum Fri 03-Jan-14 22:19:47

Howdy fod. I'm still bfing, morning and night and 1-2 times during the day depending on work/activities etc. with dd2 I stopped at 8/9 months - she was very resistant so it had to be cold turkey, milk bar is shut once and for all! She got over it in a couple of days - like so many things I think it was harder on me than her!

WLmum Fri 03-Jan-14 22:29:49

That's interesting pidj
I've got lots of new year resolutions and I'm feeling really positive about them all!

WLmum Sat 04-Jan-14 06:42:57

8-6!!! Happy dancing all day today!

ddas Sat 04-Jan-14 07:38:44

fod we've been slowly weaning- reduced about a feed per week type thing. Now down to only in the morning but can't bring myself to stop yet even though one boob has always been a bit uncomfortable and more so since less milk. Dd is our last so can't let go!! Plus she has 4 teeth coming through and a few times only the boob has pacified her.

Yay t!

Ds has learnt to get up on the sofa hmm could be dangerous...

I'm just making a bacon baguette then the pre holiday diet will begin wink

Barbeasty Sat 04-Jan-14 08:01:59

I was the same as ISpy and just told DD it didn't work with the maternity clothes I was wearing. But I don't know what I'd do for a younger one. There's probably some good advice on the feeding board.

Equimum Sat 04-Jan-14 08:02:03

Yay to babybeasty and babyWL! And good luck to everyone else trying to sleep train/ wean etc.

To a large extent I completely agree with Pidge on babies needing to be ready for things. Until now, we've largely been guided by DS and a bit of what we want and he's generally 'got there' on things, with a bit of encouragement, in his own time.

We are, however, also kind of sleep training. Having been ill and teething for weeks before Xmas, DS was very wakeful so DH has been getting up and cuddling DS so that he gets used to not having milk. First night, he was up for four hours! Since then, he's been up for two hours one night and thirty minutes another. Between those nights he's slept through three times. Think it might take a while before he consistently sleeps though, but if we can reduce wakings, that'll do for now.

I'm still feeding to sleep. Got ticked of by the HV this week for it and thought about stopping, but at the moment, it works for both of us. Does anyone think it's really likely to cause a lob term problem? I'm only feeding night and morning now and DS has cow's milk with afternoon snack.

Equimum Sat 04-Jan-14 08:04:09

Sorry for mega post above.

How exciting Spotty, where are you going? envy

Equi it's only a problem if you and/or ds aren't happy with it. Once you no longer want to do it you can cross that bridge when you get to it. We're going to Zante super excited!

Equimum Sat 04-Jan-14 08:44:55

Thanks Spotty, that was my thinking. With HVs round here, it feels like they push breastfeeding until six months, then think you're mad if you choose to continue. At DSs 9 months check, the HV said, "and you've stopped breastfeeding now, yes", like it was a given sad.

Even more envy now I know you're going to Zante! I think we'll be doing a Sun holiday this year!

Ds just had his jabs and the nurses said 'and you're not breastfeeding' I really wanted to be able to say yes I am!

ISpyPlumPie Sat 04-Jan-14 10:18:04

Am also very envy Spotty - my first holiday with DH was in Zante and when we went back a few years later we got engaged.

FriendofDorothy Sat 04-Jan-14 13:29:09

My health visitor has a son about 6 months older than The Little Mister and she still breastfeeds him morning and evening. She is an awesome HV though!

MrsNutella Sat 04-Jan-14 14:51:03

hello! Using the hotel wifi. Since I'm not going far because I have food poisoning confused didn't think that would happen here! But I think my defences are generally super low at the moment. I had a rotten cold and a virus before Christmas so that can't have helped. On top of being pregnant.
I'm lying by the pool, even though it is wind hand overcast I'm going to take full advantage of spending time in t-shirt and shorts!

On BF front Equi it seems the same in Germany. You get awesome support to help you through any problems but then you reach six months and people don't understand why you haven't stopped over night.
With DS I swapped day feeds gradually for bottles and fed at night. Then swapped to bottles at night. Honestly I think he only noticed when he didn't get boobie at night for a couple of nights and during the day he didn't notice at all.

He is on three bottles a day. One after morning nap. One after afternoon nap and one for bed. So he is still (sort of) fed to sleep in the evening.

PurplePidjin Sat 04-Jan-14 14:57:13

My hv bf to 2.5 years

She's still a twat though hmm

ISpyPlumPie Sat 04-Jan-14 16:48:36

The HV round here tend to start by assuming I'm not still bf and have done since about 3 weeks but then go down the massive congratulations "well done you" route. I'm always a bit hmm about it as I don't think of it like that, it's just how I happen to feed my baby. Also I think trying to wean N at this stage would be far harder - allowing him to continue to boob at will is surely the lazy option? grin

PurplePidjin Sat 04-Jan-14 17:43:14

Exactly ISpy - what's the point battling him to take a bottle when I'll have to battle it off him again in 6 months? And why, when I've done all that hard work in the beginning, would i stop now when it's easy?!

I reckon bf and ff are the same amount of work, but with bf it's all in the first 3-6 months whereas ff it's spread over 2 years. Obviously that only applies to when all goes smoothly - recurrent mastitis/thrush etc swings the balance well towards ff imo!

utopian99 Sat 04-Jan-14 19:38:12

Interesting responses on bf. We're no milk from 6am-7pm and trying to get back to mo milk settles at night after Christmas. I'm horribly torn though ss we really want a small gap between the next and am hugely envy of those like nut who are while still bf. I seem to be the only idiot in the world for whom bf even twice in 24 hours is adequate contraception! (Still no af - never thought I would want to get it back.)

So is it better for O to have a small sibling gap like my brother and I have, and like, or to be allowed to drop the last two naturally? I don't want to push him but it looks like there's no chance till we stop completely. Sorry to be a bit mememe but it's driving me crazy.

I'm happy with the gap between my two, which is 2.5 years, if that helps at all? Stopping bf won't harm him in anyway but at the same time you'll never get this time with just him back so maybe make the most of it?

WLmum Sat 04-Jan-14 20:04:33

Poor nut! Hope you feel better quickly and can enjoy the rest of your holiday.
spotty also super jealous. We'll be camping for 4 days in August and a sun holiday if we're lucky. Hoping DH and I will get away for a weekend for my birthday in March - that's what my maternity returners payment (paid in feb) is earmarked for.
utopian you have to do what you think is right for all of you. I'm sad that I stopped bfing dd2 at 9 months when id like to keep going with T for a while yet, but at the time it was right for me.
Fx T sleeps through again tonight - would be so awesome.
Washing machine man seemed to think zanussi would pay up for repair as it's fucked already and could have been faulty since day 1. Hoorah!
New Years resolution 2 - I have a DVD and pizza for DH and I tonight. Time together - how novel!

WLmum Sat 04-Jan-14 20:12:48

In other news - T was sick up dhs nose this morning! 'Twas most amusing. Luckily it was just morning milk overflow and not foodie!

Barbeasty Sat 04-Jan-14 20:37:16

I'm with Spottyand think 2.5yrs is a good gap (so far), and SIL has 2 years (more or less) between each of her 6 and that's worked well.

If stopping feeds is going to make you feel guilty, especially if it still takes you a while to get pregnant, it might be better to just see what happens- so long as that isn't going to leave you more guilty!

I was feeding until about 3 months pregnant, and af cane back at a point that would have given a 2 year gap, but it took 6 months of trying.

MrsNutella Sun 05-Jan-14 00:58:13

wl thanks. I'm feeling much better this evening. It's been lovely watching DH and DS play together and go out together. Although I've missed them I feel like I've really had some great sleep and rest. smile

Utopian in all honesty I'd happily swap! My af came back when DS was just 4 months old and feeding like a normal greedy guts. I had horrible af and pms crazy hormonal woman which I really wasn't expecting. I think when DS was about 6 months old I had a check up at my gyne (they are mad keen on checking you regularly in Germany) and she said that unless I was planning a baby straight away to be careful because my body had obviously decided it was ready. I didn't ask how she could tell.
I wanted a small gap but would also have been happy with about a 2 year gap grin I gave up feeding DS in the lead up to our wedding and if I have my dates right conceived in the week after our wedding.... Hmmm it really isn't something you can always plan.
I'm sorry you're stressed about it, but like someone else said, the time you have now with DS 1 on 1 is precious and in a few years you'll never notice if it's 20, 24, 30 months difference you'll just be happy with your beautiful amazing little people running around causing mayhem. X

MrsNutella Sun 05-Jan-14 01:03:31

Ahem <cough> I obviously meant usMNetty hugs! smile

wl hahaha at sick up the nose! DH gets really jumpy if DS gets in the bathroom when he comes out of the shower... Apparently DS appears very interested in dh's balls grin

beasty 6?! Blimey! DH freaks that I like the idea of 3... What kind of car do you drive when you have six? The mind boggles. I'm one of four and that was complicated. I read a statistic that in Germany I think less than 5% of kids have three or more siblings... That seems really really low to me.

I'm obviously bored. I'm waffling on and everyone should be asleep. Hope you're all enjoying good nights!

Barbeasty Sun 05-Jan-14 08:44:32

They don't drive!! They have a tandem which at one point had a baby seat and towed a 2 seater trailer, with older DC who didn't fit on their own bikes. Luckily they live in Oxford, so cycling is okay and public transport isn't bad.

DH was one of 5, but with bigger gaps- this SIL was 1 yr younger than the oldest girl, and 2 years older than brother no 1. Then almost 10 years until DH came along, and another 3 years to the youngest brother.

The rest of the siblings have between 0 and 2 children. But it still makes Christmas expensive!

Hope you all feel better soon.

Glad you're feeling better Nutella.

grin At the sick WL!

I'm a bit worried ds might burst hmm dinner was:

3 healed tbsp of colcannon
Half a sausage
3 carrot batons
1 large brocolli floret
1tbsp red cabbage
1/2 a mango
A biscuit

His tummy is hanging over his trousers grin

Back to nursery tomorrow for dd.

Maryland2013 Sun 05-Jan-14 17:53:12

Please can people share their breakfast/ lunch ideas?! Porridge is now a total no no..DS is going through a fussy phase so keen to try new things for him to throw on the floor (!!)

Honey on toast is well received- thanks Pidj!

Maryland2013 Sun 05-Jan-14 17:54:14

Wow Spotty!!!! He's a brilliant eater!!

And a strawberry hmm

There's a good thread in chat atm called what's your 1yo having for breakfast.

Breakfast here:

Toast with pâté, cheese spread or marmite.
English muffin


Cheese on toast/cheese toastie
Malt loaf
Cheese scones (so easy to make and you can do mini ones)
Have tried egg but he doesn't like it

That's all I can think off grin

Maryland2013 Sun 05-Jan-14 18:07:59

Thank you Spotty I have cut and pasted your list smile

I'll also check out that thread- sounds v useful .

Breakfast is toast, Cheerios, pancakes (!) or fruit pots.

He's not great at lunch although would eat a kilo if cubed cheese if I let him! He has bagels or crumpets or philly sandwiches.he only really seems to want finger food but I don't want him to rely on just a couple of things. I really fret about a balanced diet!!

PurplePidjin Sun 05-Jan-14 19:01:52

Weetabix here, sometimes with pureed fruit although he's on a low-fruit diet atm due to his pooing at night issues. Then a banana and afterwards if he's still hungry he gets yoghurt and/or toast.

Mid morning he gets a handful of my cereal (cheerios and crunchy nut cornflakes are popular!) and a flapjack (homemade) or biscuit

Lunch is scrambled egg, soup, sandwiches (peanut butter, sardine in tomato sauce, hummus, tuna mayo) or cheese on toast, jacket potato (useful if out, we share) or leftover dinner. Then a yoghurt if he hasn't already had one and more fruit, a pear or satsuma

Mid afternoon half a bagel or a honey sandwich or half a muffin in costa shared with me

I also have a big eater hmm

DS had a hot cross bun for breakfast this morning. He also likes fruit toast. He'll eat porridge if I mash an overripe banana into it.

I am terrible at thinking of dinner ideas. My dinners tend to be quite low fat and obviously DS needs more fat. I tried giving him pasta in a homemade cheese sauce yesterday. It was completely snubbed. He eats tonnes for a few days and then has a few off days. It all balances out.

ISpyPlumPie Sun 05-Jan-14 19:18:39

N still likes porridge, but other breakfast options include Cheerios, toast and fruit. He generally just has a smaller portion of whatever we're having for lunch and dinner - he's not remotely fussy grin.

I don't know if those of you in the North West (or those who could travel) have seen this. Looks like it could be fun.

utopian99 Sun 05-Jan-14 19:43:30

We have porridge, toast with philadelphia or fruit puree spread, cheerios, fruit wheaty things and on occasion my pain au raisin when my reflexes aren't quick enough

Lunch is often cheese or ham sandwiches with cucumber and tomato (he sucks the insides out,) or potato etc.

Supper is small portions of whatever we have had earlier in the week as I just cook extra and freeze it. If we need salt we add it after I've siphoned off his portions - risotto, fish pie, shepards pie and anything involving chicken are winners at the moment. He's still a fiend for natural yoghurt too..

utopian99 Sun 05-Jan-14 19:45:09

Also thanks for talking sense into me about gaps. I have to remember a few months is actually pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme, and gives me time to make sure I do right by O.

Oh ds likes homemade pizza grin actually egg is the only thing so far he won't eat. I haven't tried him with curry yet as dd doesn't like it.

Maryland2013 Sun 05-Jan-14 20:04:21

Thank you so much everyone smile

I am reassured that DS eats similarly to other LOs. Although he doesn't really share our meals although he stole half my toastie at m&s today as I'm worried about the salt thing. Are they ok with some salt ie seasoned meat now they're 1?? We don't put salt in veggies or anything else..

I use salt in cooking. Not in veg or anything, but in casseroles, shepherds pie, spag bol. Not salt on it's own but stock cubes, the reduced salt ones smile ds eats exactly the same as us.

WLmum Sun 05-Jan-14 20:56:21

Glad you're feeling better utopian. I really wanted minimal gaps but it didn't work out that way. Stressing about every month the gap getting bigger was def not a good thing. In the end we ended up with exactly 3 years between dd1&2 and it works well. I honestly think there are pros and cons for each age gap and being close or far apart doesn't make them any more or less likely to get on well.

Barbeasty Sun 05-Jan-14 21:40:16

Does DD being sick in her swimming lesson but getting it all either in her hand or down my cleavage beat being sick up a DH's nose? Either way, impressive. Nothing went in the pool, and I just had time to shower myself clean before A's lesson.

We're bad mumsnet parents. I forgot to pack a cup of water for A to have in the pub after swimming. So when they had their dinner, he had some of DD's fruit shoot. The way he reacted, it might as well have been drugs! Oops. Just waiting to spot an AIBU thread about it... DD decided she'd prefer a glass of water, so at least our halo is partially intact.

halestone Sun 05-Jan-14 21:51:21

grin At the sick on DH WL.

Wow all of you have really big eaters. H is not interested in food at all she'll have a couple of mouthfuls then push the food away and will purse her lips together and refuse all other food. I'm refusing to stress out about it though, apparently till i was 3 i would only eat strawberry yogurt and spaghetti hoops.

All i've managed to eat today is half a bacon butty. As thats all i managed before i had to go and visit my grandad who was admitted into hospital yesterday. And then i went to work but there was nothing left for me to bring home and H is asleep in my bed so i can't make myself anythinghmm.

WLmum Sun 05-Jan-14 22:05:36

That is impressive beasty!
hales T doesn't eat as much as others seem to and isn't all that reliable. I offer her plenty throughout the day and have to assume that if she's hungry she'll eat. Today at lunchtime she refused her sandwich, baby biscuits, baby crisp things and yoghurt but wolfed down a scrambled egg. She most often eats a big bowl of porridge with puréed fruit for breakfast, has boob about 9 if I'm around before a nap, usually not much lunch or snacks but more boob if I'm around before another nap and fx some tea but amounts vary. If I've been at work she always has boob as soon as I get home and then of course at bedtime again.

Hope your grandad is okay Hales thanks

It's my first day back at work tomorrow. Can't sleep, got a churny stomach sad

MrsNutella Mon 06-Jan-14 02:13:18

hales I hope you managed to get some sort of supper and that your grandad is ok. thanks

beasty DS was being carried in the ergo by DH the other day and if DH wasn't quick enough he would steal the crisps DH didn't need was trying to eat.
Often when we go out if we have chips DS will eat a couple. DS is a total carb freak! I think if he was offered some bread and butter he would follow anyone home.

DS's eating habits are a bit hit and miss. He does like fruit and vegetables but his tastes seem to change regularly. He isn't keen on egg at all though. Cucumber and tomatoes he will often give a good sucking. Meat is hit and miss too. He will usually eat a sausage and often chicken but not always.
Porridge fingers he loves! Great as an on the go snack too. When we were in England at Christmas he ate everything. It was very impressive. But I think he grew a bit. Who knows.

DS has done really well today. Although even the hotel staff noticed he wasn't his usually cheeky self. They all love him and chat to him when they see him. He is such a little flirt with the ladies! And he has suddenly sprouted three new teeth! We have 8 now. Poor little man.

Keep your fingers crossed. We are picking up the camper tomorrow and we can begin our adventure.... Which will probably start at a big walmart grin

Yuck beasty!

Ds is always stealing dd's drink which is usually squash. He also had some of dd's happy meal shock which we didn't allow dd to be exposed to until she was well over 2! Poor second child...

Hales I hope your grandad gets better soon.

Hope you have a fabulous time Nutella smile

Ds woke really early this morning hmm 5:45 but came into bed with me and had the most amazing cuddles! Was lovely, but would have preferred a lie in!

utopian99 Mon 06-Jan-14 07:03:04

Fx for your grandad hales.

Soo jealous of the holiday nut - first day back here, we have been letting O into bed as he wakes at 6 and this means he goes back to sleep till after 8. grin Not now work's started though, and this morning he didn't go properly back after 5.. ick.

he has, with no tears at all, happily swapped boob for cow's milk at night apart from his last feed before bed though! which I secretly want to keep

Maryland2013 Mon 06-Jan-14 07:34:17

Hope your Grandad is ok Hales.

Good luck back at work Willyou, hope it goes ok.

Happy holidays Nutella!

That's great utopian. Keep the last feed, cutting out those night time ones could make all the difference!

Good luck WillYou! It's not as bad as you're imagining smile

Equimum Mon 06-Jan-14 09:42:14

Good luck to everyone going back to work today. I'm back tomorrow, but normal routine has commenced this morning.

Hales I hope your grandad gets better soon.

Glad DS wasn't upset Utopian, and I hope you get some luck soon.

Before Christmas, DS was barely eating, but now, he's eating for England. He'll give most things a go, but all the treats over Christmas have made him a fiend for sweet things, which are usually very limited!

Enjoy your road trip Nutella

Barbeasty Mon 06-Jan-14 10:23:02

DD is quickly learning not to leave chocolate anywhere that A can reach.

And to top yesterday's swimming off, after the lesson I took A's swim nappy off, and stood him up against the bench while I got his clothes out. He grasped the bench and did a wee. It really looked as though he was at a urinal!

Enjoy the road trip Nutella , good luck back at work WillYou and hope your grandfather is ok Hales - have a big breakfast today.

halestone Mon 06-Jan-14 11:28:45

Hope you Enjoy your 1st day back Willyouthanks

Nutella, i hope you enjoy your holiday now that your camper van has arrived.

Beasty i'm loving the idea of DS thinking the bench was a urinal.

H has just run out the room to fart, then came back in haha.

My grandad is ok they are just trying to lower his temp and find out where his infection is coming from.

utopian99 Mon 06-Jan-14 19:45:43

Glad to hear that hales, about your grandad, not H,although I am loving the stories! Dh came home to a hero's welcome from O after his first day back at work, it's so sweet.In other news my boobs are so full I can't hug O or dh, it hurts so mmuch. He had some before bed just now then I had to stop before he was sick, so still uncomfortable. Will they get worse overnight or absorb? How long does adjustment take?

Mine took 24 hours I think utopian. Maybe a bit more. If they're really bad you can hand express a little bit off but only enough to just relieve the pressure. Don't forget painkillers!

I've got a mark on my boob. Looks like a small green/brown bruise. Started off as what felt like a bit of dry skin 3/4 months ago.

It wasn't too bad, and I only have one more day (at home) until I have Wednesday off! Yay! They have lost my laptop though hmm, my boss was two hours late and they'd used my desk as a dumping ground for old manuscripts. I made lemonade from lemons though and spent the day sorting and shredding the papers. The drive was terrible in the pouring rain though.

J was literally up all night. It's like he knew I was working the monkey!

Go and get that checked please Spotty, probably nothing but pregnancy and breastfeeding can play havoc with boobs.

WLmum Mon 06-Jan-14 21:08:19

utopian I guess that shows that he's still been taking quite a lot. I'd go with hand expressing a bit so you feel a bit more comfy.
hales glad your grandad is ok (sort of).
Good luck to those returning to work.
We did the first school run after Xmas today in the mega rain and wind - thankfully dd1 had an inset day so we could all just walk to dd2s preschool and not have to do the car and double drop.
Zanussi are giving me a new higher spec machine!

ISpyPlumPie Mon 06-Jan-14 23:11:56

Glad your grandad is improving Hales.

Fab news about the washing machine WL.

DS1 was off nursery due to an inset day too. I thought it would be nice to have a bit of a day out, so we went to the Legoland Discovery thingy at the Trafford Centre. Stupidly, it didn't occur to me that half the other schools in Greater Manchester would have inset days too so it was very busy, but both boys enjoyed it and they still let us use a term-time offer so it only cost a tenner.

MMR in the morning sad

halestone Tue 07-Jan-14 11:00:03

Quiet night on here so hopefully thats a positive sign of good sleep all round grin

WL great news about the washing machine.

Spotty i second Willyou and think that you should get that checked out asap.

I have forgotten what else i've read will read back and come back.

halestone Tue 07-Jan-14 11:02:13

Utopian i hope your boobs are feeling better today, i was one of the lucky ones. I had a night out for my birthday and for some reason just stopped producing milk overnight.

Ispy i hope DS's jabs go ok today.

ISpyPlumPie Tue 07-Jan-14 11:40:48

Wow it was quite - thought I'd killed the thread with my boring ramblings grin

N's jabs were fine. He got a bit upset but was all smiles by the time we left and is still charging around causing chaos. DS1 was fine too and explained to the nurse that N "might get a bit upset but he'll be ok and he needs his injections to stop him getting nasty viruses" so he must listen to me sometimes!

ISpyPlumPie Tue 07-Jan-14 11:41:21


halestone Tue 07-Jan-14 11:49:46

Awww Ispy that sounds so cutegrin

My Niece is watching Frozen and shes dancing and singing at the top of her voice, around the living room doing all the actions. H is watching her and looking abit bewildered and shocked.

Glad N was okay Ispy.

J had a terrible night again, he keeps screaming in his sleep. Apparently there's a developmental leap around now that can disturb sleep and I hope to god that's it. Two nights of 3-4h per night.

Today is his first nursery day, he went off with the nursery nurse no trouble. I want to go and get him now. I miss him today because I'm working at home. 3 hours to go!

Not long now WillYou! I've personally found with both dc there's a few issues around a year wrt attachment and sleep etc.

You really think I should get checked? I'd feel pretty silly it's such a small mark hmm

Barbeasty Tue 07-Jan-14 15:30:43

Spotty just don't ask your doctor boss if he'd mind having a quick look at your breast!

WillYou I hope he runs straight to you when you get there!

I managed to get A down in his cot yesterday, not only for a nap in the day but also at 6.30pm. So now operation stay asleep beyond midnight can start!

I well and truly have a climber on my hands. I'm sticking a video up now. I think his next target is the light switch which will mean getting onto the back of the sofa. He's working on it!

halestone Tue 07-Jan-14 16:29:44

Willyou i hope he runs up to you as well.

Beasty A was brilliant climbing on that video. H is also a climber and shes also a jumper its a nightmare sometimes as wellconfused

I made bacon and egg omelettes in a muffin tin this for dinner they were a huge success with H and my Niece smile

Barbeasty Tue 07-Jan-14 19:50:58

They sound good Hales.

He climbed into the shower when I was doing DD's teeth (it's quite a step up). He just wants to climb everywhere now. And his walking is really coming on.

We seem to be getting lots of words now too. But he still doesn't know DD's name because she still keeps insisting she's called something random.

WLmum Tue 07-Jan-14 20:11:00

Sleep seems to be coming our way at last _ last night T went 8-5 settled her in the cot at 5 and she went til 6.40!! Amazing!

halestone Wed 08-Jan-14 00:48:47

FX your all sleeping well tonight. H has just gone down after waking at 11:10 but she has all of the bed and i have a tiny bit. I really have to find time to sort out lowering her cot so sleep training can commence!

utopian99 Wed 08-Jan-14 05:46:50

Hurrah for sleep, wl (and others, judging by how quiet it is at night on this thread.)
Thanks for the advice re boobs - I am rubbish at hand expressing and had given our pump to a family member as we didn't use it anymore, so gave O a bit yesterday morning on top of the bottle at 5am, and they are so much better already, 24 hours on.

I spent yesterday wearing a real bra again - hurrah! (Simple pleasures, me.)

Glad your boobs are feeling better utopian smile

We're off to Southampton general today so dd can see the physio followed by the neurologist. Then when we get home dp has got to pull the floor up ready for our new carpet tomorrow (I'm a bit excited!grin)

WLmum Wed 08-Jan-14 06:58:17

Hope all goes well at the hospital spotty and hurrah for the new carpet. One of my ny resolutions is to sort the house out a bit.

Same here! Along with:

Shouting at the children less blush
Making more time for dp and I blush
Being more frugal grin

PurplePidjin Wed 08-Jan-14 07:49:44

R slept through sunday (6-5) and Monday (6-6:30) then last night had water and nappy at 3 and is still asleep shock I'm tentatively thinking he's cracked it as this pattern of 3 days has repeated a couple of times now and was similar but over a longer period before that... His day naps are shit, 20-30 minutes in his cot, but i can live with that if i get consistent sleeping through grin

Barbeasty Wed 08-Jan-14 07:52:09

Sleep? What's that? Sleep is for wimps.

I think it's teeth. It better be. That was a bloody awful night- looking at the clock at midnight and knowing that even if he miraculously went to sleep right then I'd be getting 5 hrs, not good (and he didn't sleep for a while after that either! )

And so much feeding. Probably wasn't but it felt constant, and was getting to the point where it was really irritating and made my skin crawl. But if I managed to unlatch him there was screaming.

Here's to a better night tonight, and to not falling asleep in my all day meeting...

Breastfeeding aversion beasty?

We've hit traffic and we're only at Portsmouth. Seems there's been an accident.

FriendofDorothy Wed 08-Jan-14 08:28:28

I am feeling better now that we have dropped the morning feed. The Little Mister still isn't amused that when he comes into bed in the morning he now gets given a cup with Moo Milk in it, but he will get over himself!

Barbeasty Wed 08-Jan-14 10:54:39

More middle of the night, no sleep, been feeding for over an hour and need to change the latch to allow for new teeth aversion!

I think it's the fangs and molars making their move. Add that to 5 am starts and you get unhappy baby and mummy!

halestone Wed 08-Jan-14 11:32:09

Beasty i hope those teeth come through soon and that you can get a better sleep tonight.thanks

Spotty, i hope all goes well at the hospital.

H has woke up with a cows lick this morning, it is very very cute. And i never use that word.

PurplePidjin Wed 08-Jan-14 15:12:35

I have a spare amber anklet if anyone wants to try it. R's ankles were too skinny so i bought him a necklace. No guarantee it works but i daren't take it off to check...

Afternoon all!

Hope you get some sleep tonight Beasty. We have rosy red cheeks here too.

Jamie loved nursery - behaved like an angel, ate everything, joined in with every activity going. They said you'd never have known it was his first time. I really missed him though.

Today is mummy and Jamie day. We've been to the park and then to baby singing.

Eventful day today. My sister (28) has just found out she's 4 ish weeks pregnant with a little surprise baby. She's just about to start a new job and thinks it's the end of the world. She'll come round eventually but is still in shock. Her boyfriend only moved in 2 weeks ago. She's been quite a critical authority on our parenting so DP thinks it's hilarious that we'll get to get our own back!

Dd went fine at the hospital, back in a year. My turn to go to hospital tomorrow hmm

Ds had pizza for dinner (home made!) and loved it. Dp has gone too football training and I think I might have to go to bed soon!

WLmum Wed 08-Jan-14 20:04:19

beasty you are sas material! Hope he settles down soon and that you get some sleep. I know just what you mean - although I love bfing the human dummy bit has been physically irritating.
spotty glad hospital went ok.
willyou glad nursery went well and your bil will get to eat his words and you and DH will enjoy it! My bil has been a bit frowny about ours having tantrums etc - can't wait til his ds starts. Mil always thought ours didn't sleep through the night as I bfed but dn and her gdn have both been bottle fed and not slept - how I smirked!
Next in my glamorous life is an evening trip to tesco!

Oh WillYou glad j enjoyed nursery. And yay to bring an auntie! Practice your knowing smile when they speak of how their baby will sleep through, eat well, be left with anyone etc etc grin

WLmum Wed 08-Jan-14 20:15:08

pidj now that T is sleeping through at night, her daytime sleep has really reduced. Yay but boo!

I know, only this weekend aw told me J only cries because I pick him up when he does. If I don't pick him up he'll learn not to cry apparently. I don't really want him to learn that mummy doesn't care if he cries or not!

Crap daytime sleep has equalled lovely bedtimes here. We've been done for 7:30 the last 2 nights.

Barbeasty Wed 08-Jan-14 21:31:55

Glad J liked nursery.

A was clingy at nursery, refusing to walk or be put down. They checked his temp several times and it finally went up just before home time to 38.3. So calpol before bed and fingers crossed! she says hoping it's not him who's waking up

Fx for you Beasty.

J's started paddying today. High pitched screams if he doesn't get his own way. I'm ignoring as best I can in the hope that it's a phase that passes quickly <not wildly optimistic>

WLmum Wed 08-Jan-14 23:32:07

I just fb'd the photo I'm using for the girls Xmas thank you notes. Dd1 is quite put out that she has to write the notes and the others don't - being 3 and 1 is no excuse! (Dd2 will write her name and T would gladly scrawl all over them given half the chance).

WLmum Thu 09-Jan-14 07:21:30

I just fb'd the photo I'm using for the girls Xmas thank you notes. Dd1 is quite put out that she has to write the notes and the others don't - being 3 and 1 is no excuse! (Dd2 will write her name and T would gladly scrawl all over them given half the chance).

Barbeasty Thu 09-Jan-14 07:24:39

Love the photo.

It was A waking up last night, but a quick feed and he went back in his cot. He stayed there until 1.30 and then we had a slightly less unsettled night, so fx he's getting over whatever it is.

Ds has just stolen dd's hot chocolate hmm

Equimum Thu 09-Jan-14 07:36:07

Glad J liked nursery and that Spotty's DD got on well at the hospital. Good to hear that A looks to have turned a corner Beasty.

Isn't that moment of feeling someone may actually learn an important lesson satisfying, WL. Congrats on being an auntie, BTW.

DS had his jabs yesterday and so far, you wouldn't know he had, and (apologese if this causes offence) slept through last night grin.

Barbeasty Thu 09-Jan-14 09:16:25

The jabs made A sleepy for ages, just not at night!

We've banned hot chocolate if A is in the room. He grabbed DD's on Sunday and it went everywhere. He likes to grab the rim of a cup/ glass and tip it over....

Dd had hers in a lidded cup luckily!

The whole contents of my sitting room (minus two sofa cushions) is now in my kitchen and I decided to make a shepherds pie hmm

FriendofDorothy Thu 09-Jan-14 09:51:27

I put a little cup in the microwave and when I got it out the lid blew off covering me in warm cows milk. Lovely!

Oh yes always leave the lid off and make sure the spout is open when you put it back on!

WLmum Thu 09-Jan-14 09:52:59

Sorry for the double post! It got stuck on my phone last night and seems to have posted again this morning.
Hope some sleep was had. After a settle at 5.15 T slept til 7.15. That's almost 12 hours!!! The latest sleep ever! Hope her jabs today don't derail it!

WLmum Thu 09-Jan-14 09:56:15

Oh equi hope we have the same!

Ah yes, my big 2 have their nightly hot chocs in sippy style cups since T got so mobile/grabby/strong!

FriendofDorothy Thu 09-Jan-14 13:55:35

What would you do? My aunt is looking after my one-year old son today and she has just phoned to say that they have found him with an ornament from India in his mouth and the paint has come off. They have wiped around and in his mouth but don't think he has ingested anything.

Would you do anything or just keep an eye on him to see whether he has any side effects?

I would just keep an eye. Sure he'll be fine smile

FriendofDorothy Thu 09-Jan-14 14:21:20

It's horrible. Since Mum died I am finding that I am completely over-reacting to stuff that I wouldn't have given two thoughts to before! sad

halestone Thu 09-Jan-14 14:41:37

FoD i would just watch him as well. Also i think its completely understandable that you think your overreacting to things since your mums death. (BTW i don't think you have over reacted i would of asked on here as well). Please take care of yourself not only have you lost your mum your pregnant as well, so your emotions are bound to be all over the place.thanksthanksthanks

Spotty, i'm glad the hospital went well.

Willyou i'm glad J's day in nursery went well.

Beasty, i hope your sleep was better last night.

WL and Equi yay to a good sleep last night. H also slept well.

I have started weaning from formula onto whole milk today so hope that won't affect tonight. FX

I totally agree with hales fod. Stop being so hard on yourself smile

WLmum Thu 09-Jan-14 18:51:38

fod I would just keep an eye on him as it's most unlikely that there will be any effects. However, if that happened to my pfb I would have freaked out and been very cross about their irresponsibility etc. my poor dm and mil must have lived in fear! You could always phone NHS direct for reassurance. I don't think you're overreacting at all, and I can't imagine how you're feeling without your mum flowers

Barbeasty Thu 09-Jan-14 19:22:28

Arggh. The down side of having them sharing a room- we get A settled, then DD starts shouting downstairs that her ear hurts and she wants medicine.

So now A is crying in his cot and really chewing his hands. DH is off to dose them both with calpol!

And the climbing has progressed- he started to climb the chest of drawers in their bedroom tonight! As the bad mummy I am, I had to stifle a giggle when he trapped his toes in the drawer. But he was clinging to the top drawer and clinging on, giggling.

FoD I know the feeling. Something that before you wouldn't have considered asking about, now that you can't you suddenly feel the need to.

Maryland2013 Thu 09-Jan-14 19:41:23

Oh FoD I would have asked about this too. It's not over reacting at all..

Reading Beastys post I wondered if people have their nursery/ bedroom furniture attached to the wall with those things I can't name but stop you pulling the furniture on top?

Good to hear about improved sleep! I'm hoping next jabs won't be unsettling -- and I will be

Maryland2013 Thu 09-Jan-14 19:43:42

I will be sending DS for his with his dad ;)

I'm glad to hear other mums send out thank you cards. I know it's probably old fashioned but I always made DSD send them- she was outraged cos her mum never asked her to do it..!!

I don't screw anything to the wall.

Dd got weighed at hospital yesterday. She's 3.7 and weighs 28lb!

Ds had a horrendous tantrum/meltdown after dinner. He had a whole bowl of shepherds pie with red cabbage and parsnip plus a yoghurt. Took us a while to realise he was still hungry hmm

Our carpet is down and he loves it! Both dc went to bed together tonight for the first time ever! Dd usually stays up until seven but she said she wanted to go to bed when we took ds up. Haven't heard a peep she must have been really tired.

Finally got a letter from the HV team. 'Ds is due his 10/12 month check please phone to arrange' hmm he's almost 14 months!

WLmum Thu 09-Jan-14 20:39:22

28lbs!! Bless her little cottons - she must be just like my friends little un. T is probably not far off 28lbs already!
What a great tea - can I come over? Dd1&2 would never eat red cabbage.
Poor little T seems to be suffering after her jabs. I do feel sorry for her.
maryland I'm all about the thank you letters! If someone is kind and generous enough to give a gift, I think it's the least you can do to send a note. I always do photos as some people that send gifts we don't see from year to year so I think its nice for them to see who they're buying for!

WLmum Thu 09-Jan-14 22:47:46

beasty that is some climbing!
We do have some of the taller stuff attached to the walls.

halestone Fri 10-Jan-14 00:49:36

Arghhhhhhhhhh!!!! No sleep since her 3pm nap today and shes being a terror! DP has took her downstairs. I genuinely do not know what to do with her one day she sleeps great then for ages shes a nightmare.

You're welcome anytime WL. Dd wouldn't touch any of it even though I told her it was purple cabbage as that's her favourite colour grin

Hales I hope you got some sleep I really don't know what to suggest.

Equimum Fri 10-Jan-14 10:01:17

Oh Hales ((((unmumsnetty hug)))). how frustrating. when did she eventually settle?

I hope LO was okay yesterday FoD, and like everyone else, I don't you were over-reacting; these things are scary.

I hope T is feeling better today WL. Horrid jabs sad. I'm just hoping the lack of immediate reaction here isn't followed by a massive one when the live jab kicks in.

Spotty are you out to make me envy this week? A holiday and a carpet? We have grotty laminate downstairs and even grottier carpet upstairs, 'donated' by the previous owners.

Had planned to go to a toddler group this morning, but having to defrost the car this morning made us ten minutes to the horse, so we weren't back in time. Really wish we could rehome DHorse now, but nobody can take him on sad.

2blessed Fri 10-Jan-14 13:16:20

FoD there is no way you are overreacting. Hope everything ok today grin

My gosh its jabs time again. Hope LO's coped well.

I'm also a bit envy at your holiday Spotty. No idea when we'll be able to go away.

I'm also a big believer in thank you notes. I only have one other friend who does them.

I've been awol for awhile and probably will be again quite soon. We were all ill over Christmas/New Year then we went straight into preparing for DS' birthday and party which was last weekend. We had a house party! I cannot tell you how many people attended. It was tiring but good fun.
This week has been crazy. Back to work and received some really bad news about a very very close family member that has completely rocked my world. Constantly bursting into tears at the moment.
Aside from that, my baby does not sleep! His sleeping pattern is like the newborn baby that he never was. He sleeps for maybe 2/3 hours and then is up screaming for me and/or boob. I don't think I can bring myself to do CC but need to try some strategies quick.

Hope all is well with everyone.

Stacks Fri 10-Jan-14 14:53:49

Afternoon all. I got a bit caught up in the commitments of rl over Christmas and new year, so just checking back in with mn now. It was nice having DH home over the holidays, but it did cut into my normal mn time a bit ;)

Hope everyone had a good festive break, and exasperated all the awful flooding etc.

DS turned one, and to celebrate we've moved him up into new 9-12m clothes. We're having to turn them up a bit but he looks super cute. I can't believe he used to be one of the big babies, consistently 3 months ahead on clothes sizes. We've got him eating properly now (mostly) and putting on some weight so hopefully we'll get a nice growth spurt too. He's also got his first pair of real shoes, he's only size 3.5f, and Clarks only had one style of shoe in his size. Luckily they're cute though, so we're happy. Just need the rain to stop so I can take him out to the park.

Good news on the eating stacks smile

Sorry to hear that 2blessed thanks

If it makes you feel any better dp will be working every Saturday for the next six months to pay for it all grin

Exactly two weeks after jabs ds has a fever. That's the most likely cause isn't it?

Stacks Fri 10-Jan-14 17:25:48

Yeah, we were given a timeline for reactions. 6-10 days for measles (rash), 2-3 weeks for mumps (fever and swollen glands) and 12-14 days for rubella (possibly a slightly raised temp and a rash [perhaps up to 6 weeks later]).

Oh thanks for that stacks I had in my head 2+ weeks but didn't have that detail smile

I get my ring back tomorrow!! Have to buy dd new shoes though as she's grown. Have already got slippers just need wellies, boots, trainers and ballet shoes hmm

utopian99 Fri 10-Jan-14 19:34:59

Hurrah for your ring spotty! And thanks for info too stacks, we have jabs in feb..

dh has accidentally put some rather dramatic classical music on O's cd player but I can't change it till he falls asleep. He doesn't seem that bothered though. hmm

utopian99 Fri 10-Jan-14 19:45:40

He has just fallen asleep to ride of the valkyries. I will never understand this baby.

PurplePidjin Fri 10-Jan-14 20:06:22


WLmum Fri 10-Jan-14 20:06:41

Haha utopian
2blessed hope he settles down soon
hales how are you and H today? I hope you all managed some rest.
Can't remember anything else that was said up thread!

Dd1 won a tesco colouring competition today - so cute, she was so proud. I'm totally proud as colouring/drawing has come late to her as she really struggled with pen control.

WLmum Fri 10-Jan-14 22:33:34

Argh - have just completed my tax return. Bleurgh - why do they have to make it so complicated.

halestone Fri 10-Jan-14 22:43:31

She finally went to sleep at half 1 this morning. The screaming from 10pm till 1:30am was rather upsetting for everyone though. Then she was up on and off till 6:30am whinging. 6:30 till 7 equalled screaming all over again and then she slept again till 11:30 but alot of whining throughout so me and DP didn't really settle much it must of been bad for him not to settle i suspect her bottom fangs are on the way up though. She seems to have a slight temperature and is very irritable again.

2blessed sorry to hear about your family member. We're here if you need usthanks

Stacks, i hope you had a lovely day for DS's birthday.

WL congratulations to your DDthanks

Spotty, i bet you can't wait to get your ring back.

My mum looked after H and my niece tonight whilst i was in work, and when i went to pick H up, she has a mark on her forehead where shes bumped it in my mums. My mum was trying to explain what had happened when i said to my DN awww did nanny hit H? And she replied yes, she punched her because nanny doesn't like H. Hahaha my poor mum was gobsmacked and saying she hadn't luckily i've seen DN make up a few stories so knew she was playing make believe haha.

halestone Fri 10-Jan-14 22:45:02

I forgot to say, Equi, i hope you manage to sort something with your horse.thanks

Utopian i would play him it every night now haha.

Sorry for my mammoth post.

utopian99 Sat 11-Jan-14 06:13:18

He has only just woken up hales! This is unheard of. Maybe it would work on H? Hitherto undiscovered technique of baby lulling based on strident organ music. came in this morning to peer gynt, obviously that's pushing it

Ds woke at 6:20 but has since just been lying in bed with me sort of humming/moaning. Need to get some medicine into him!

Aw Hales I hope they pop through soon. Ooh your niece is a little monkey, they all go through that lying stage.

DS has had 2 dreadful nights and still no molars. They're as close to the skin as they can get without coming through. He just screamed on and off all night. We've been up since 6 and he's got a mild temperature. Not stopped him demolishing breakfast though. Hope he perks up, we have a play date at soft play.

halestone Sat 11-Jan-14 09:21:03

Willyou i feel your pain, we've had an awful night again. H is so tired but fighting her sleep ....... And me. I hope DS's Molars pop through soon.

Utopian yay to a brilliant sleep.

Spotty i hope DS is ok.

MaMaPo Sat 11-Jan-14 10:50:40

Well hello again! I've only been missing for about 4 months! Been busy travelling with baby C, arriving back to Australia, and organising our flat/a job/unpacking/baby C's birthday/Christmas and New Year. No wonder I've missed a lot.

A quick skim of the last couple of pages shows that we're all still in the same boat. C is really lovely at the moment, I just adore this age. She is all grins (squinching up her whole face and showing off her teeth), zooming about crawling (no walking yet), and lots of interactive play.

Sleep has also finally sorted itself out - after feeding to sleep for night and naps while we were travelling, we tried CC again once jet lag had worn off and she started settling within the first day. I'm still bfing 1-2 times a day.

She starts nursery on Monday - I'm a little trepidatious! It's also going to be 38-41ºC for her first week, so that will be tricky.

It sounds as though some of you are expecting again? Congratulations! It's the first time I've started to feel a little pull in that direction since C was born (and just as my period returned too). Maybe we'll start trying again later this year...

Anyway - hello hello everyone! I hope you're all well!

Welcome back mama!

Think I might be sick....dd's new trainers were £40 sad

Barbeasty Sat 11-Jan-14 12:51:21

We stick to 1 pair of shoes/boots and a pair of wellies which seem to last a couple of sizes for that very reason!

We're having a rubbish day. DH went to ooh Dr this morning, because he bit his tongue earlier this week and it's infected! He's on 2 types of antibiotics and stinks of tcp.

DD has a temperature and isn't herself. She won't take medicine and just sat there at lunch so ate nothing. And A just whinged and whined all through lunch and refused to eat or drink anything.

At least I have a freezer full of Highland pheasant and mash to feed them another time!

Welcome back mama. Sounds like you've settled well back in Australia.

I decided not to get her anymore boots so she just needs wellies now although she can't wear her insoles in wellies so they might fit her a bit longer. Hope so as she needs two pairs hmm

Hope dd is ok. Eugh at tcp!

halestone Sat 11-Jan-14 13:50:24

Welcome back Mama, hows life back in Australia?

Beasty i hope your day improves.thanks

Spotty wow i didn't realise girls shoes cost that much.

You can get then cheaper hales but dd needs decent shoes so no supermarkets, clothes shops or Clarkes. Can only be startrite or European brands smile

Barbeasty Sat 11-Jan-14 19:09:27

We went on a useless trip to get DD some wellies and a coat. She wants a butterfly coat, and I suspect Sainsbury's did one a while ago and someone at nursery has it, but nowhere does one now.

Then for a drive so both DC slept. So of course now A isn't particularly tired. Ah well.

We're off out for an Indian super excited grin

WLmum Sat 11-Jan-14 20:44:36

DH and I just had a lovely day out in London minus the dds! We went for lunch and to see Charlie and the chocolate factory - he arranged it as part of my Xmas pressie. It was so nice, just wish we had twice as much time!
Hope all the pesky teeth sort themselves out soon.
hales not the nicest thing dn could have said but I have found that dc can say quite shocking things in all innocence.

WLmum Sat 11-Jan-14 20:45:16

As they don't have any concept of the actual horrid meanings or actions.

We're having a terrible night. DS went down no trouble at 6:50. We've now been up to him 8 times since then. His teeth are making him so unsettled sad

Sounds like a lovely day out WL.

ISpyPlumPie Sat 11-Jan-14 22:30:58

Welcome back Mama

Hope you are ok 2blessed

What a lovely birthday treat WL. Sounds great.

Hope you both get some sleep soon Willyou and Hales

Am v excited as we've just booked a week in Spain for May. It'll be the first time abroad with DC -can't wait!

WLmum Sat 11-Jan-14 22:47:25

Welcome back mama!
Wel jel ispy!

halestone Sat 11-Jan-14 23:19:52

WL glad you've had a nice daygrin and i just laughed at my DN it properly made me giggle haha.

Spotty i hope your enjoying your indian.

Ispy i'm also jealous, although i hope you all have a fab time.

Beasty could you try Ebay to see if anyone is selling it on there.

Willyou i hope J settles soon for you.

I don't want to jinx things but Heidi has fell asleep, straight away. I just need her to stay asleep and not cry all night now.

2blessed Sun 12-Jan-14 06:49:08

Welcome back mama

Sounds like a very busy time in your household with sickness, whinging and tcp beasty

Oooh I would love an Indian spotty. Tandoori chicken, sag aloo and garlic naan woud go down a treat right now. Yes I know its nearly 7am...

Sorry to hear about teeth willyou

I'm ok at the moment, just coming to terms with everything really. I can't even type it out. Couldn't say the words when dp found out. And yes he is back to being dp. A lot of work needs to be done by both of us but I'm prepared to fight for us.
Starting to wean ds off the boob. He has become too clingy lately and lazy when he drags himself off causing lots of bites. Its tough but better now before the new dc arrives.

halestone Sun 12-Jan-14 09:46:38

2blessed i'm glad you and DP are working at thingsgrin good luck with weaning DS off BF, and congratulations for doing it for over a year. Thats a massive accomplishmentthanks

Barbeasty Sun 12-Jan-14 11:05:08

Good luck with everything 2blessed.

A fell out of bed last night, but to be honest it served him right with all his wriggling and noise. I continuously had to grab him as he lunged for my pint of water, and he kept kicking DH.

But a bit of peace and quiet while they're all at church. I went for a run (first time for about 9 months, so I'll feel it tomorrow) and have roast beef in the oven. Just a quiet cup of tea before chaos returns!

halestone Sun 12-Jan-14 12:29:21

Corn on the Cob is a huge success this dinner time. Shes eating it whilst watching Aladdin.

Hope everyone had good sleep in the end.

Oh dear beasty!

Hales I haven't tried corn on the cob as I don't like it but sounds like a good idea.

Beef casserole for tonight.

Trying to arrange meeting a friend but all suggested times clash with her pfb's naps grin luckily ds is flexible.

Sorry for not replying I have read it all. It's annoying you can't look back on the app hmm

WLmum Sun 12-Jan-14 19:42:40

I'm not sure that Ts few teeth could cope with corn on the cob just yet - she'll def have it sometime though as it's always a big hit in this house.
T loves aubergine - the last couple if times I've had it she's been all over it. Good girl! It's my fave but dds won't eat it and DH not overly keen.
T has been a right whingey pants this arvo. She had a late nap so we woke her so as not to interfere with bedtime and she was not best pleased.
Got loads to do tonight - make meals for dds for tom as I'll be late home from work so mil will feed them but it needs to be all done and just heated up, pay tax bill (boo), apply for a sun holiday (yay but long shot) - I'm so ashamed buying that filthy rag but it gets a v cheap holiday. What a sell out I am! And other stuff too - just as well I've got a kitkat chunky hiding in the cupboard!

halestone Sun 12-Jan-14 23:22:51

WL i hope you have got all your jobs done and that your now resting.

I'm glad DP is in work, i am really struggling not to hurt him at the moment. I am turning my phone off shortly so i don't text something i regretangry

halestone Sun 12-Jan-14 23:23:06

WL i hope you have got all your jobs done and that your now resting.

I'm glad DP is in work, i am really struggling not to hurt him at the moment. I am turning my phone off shortly so i don't text something i regretangry

halestone Sun 12-Jan-14 23:23:39

WL i hope you have got all your jobs done and that your now resting.

I'm glad DP is in work, i am really struggling not to hurt him at the moment. I am turning my phone off shortly so i don't text something i regretangry

utopian99 Mon 13-Jan-14 02:54:23

Hope everyone had good Sundays, and you and dp are okay hales?

O had his last bf tonight before bed. I think I was more bothered than him, it was lovely and glad I've had this year, but what with trying to get af back and him just moving on to food more, it seems time. Dh was v understanding about me feeling a bit sad though.

2blessed Mon 13-Jan-14 05:44:48

haleshope you're ok.

It is a bit sad utopian, but I guess its just a new chapter. Pleased dp is being understanding.

Up with a poorly ds. Cough had come back quite ferociously in last few days but he's been running a high temperature since yesterday. It was highest at 5am at 38.7. He's had calpol but can't go back to sleep. Really tempted to boob him back to sleep as he's desperate for it. He had done 27 hours without it. Maybe I try again once he's over this bout of illness.

Hope you're okay hales, an if you've killed DP, I hope you've hidden the body well!

DS woke up screaming the house down, downed a 4oz boshockttle and threw it back up all down the back of my head. I now have to decide whether to force him back to sleep, then do a quick patch wash or whether to get us both up, then wash my hair properly. It had to be the day I'm in work!

J's full of a cold, slight temperature, rattley cough, streaming nose. No idea what I'll do with him tomorrow when he goes to nursery.

Oh no hales!

WillYou I'd have got up hmm

2blessed hope ds is ok.

Utopian have some winewell done for getting this far hope af returns soon

Dd was up loads with her cough so I haven't had a great sleep. We've set a date so I need to book the registry office later. I'M GETTING MARRIED THIS YEAR!!! And going to New York for my honeymoon!!

FriendofDorothy Mon 13-Jan-14 07:06:56

The Little Mister woke at just before 5am with a horrid cough and was absolutely screaming. We tried to get him back to bed for a while but in the end I gave him Moo milk and brought him into bed. He and his Daddy are still asleep!

2blessed Mon 13-Jan-14 14:45:06

Sorry to hear about poorly DCs Willyou and FoD

Whooo! to spotty for wedding plans getting into gear!

Took DS to the DRs this morning. He has a respiratory tract infection. Red tonsils and slight wheeze on his chect. No nursery for him today. DP has stayed at home with him today whilst I'm at work and then I'll stay with him the rest of the week. It is so hard balancing parenting with work.

Maryland2013 Mon 13-Jan-14 17:49:25

Woop Spotty that is exciting!! We got married in NYC and have re visited lots- let me know if you want any tips smile

Oh utopian.. It must be very strange after all this time. I wish I could have BF for longer.

Hales what did DP do?!

there's lots of poorly babies sad we were up at ten to 5.. Can only assume bloody teeth, aargh!!

Argh I just need a rant....

Received a letter for ds' 10/12 month check last Thursday, have to ring on mon-weds 9-3. I ring this morning at 9:20 and leave a message. Just checked my messages they phoned at lunch time to say all January appts have gone and they will ring back in a few weeks to see if they can book us in in feb when ds will be 15 months angry what a shit system. I'm unreasonably annoyed about this (not sure why confused)

MaMaPo Mon 13-Jan-14 19:58:51

That is legitimately stupid, spotty. You're not wrong.

Utopian - congratulations on feeding your little one for so long. How are you feeling? I'm not lookin forward to ending bfing.

So baby C survived her first day at nursery! Her dad and I were a tiny bit wobbly and she had a grand time. Slept for 30 mins only (bit different from the 2.5 hour naps at home) but she wasn't too exhausted and slept ok last night. Luckily they're air conditioned - it's going to be 43°C today.

Sorry to hear about all the poorly babies. I hope they all perk up a bit soon.

Maryland2013 Mon 13-Jan-14 20:22:30

Oh mama the first day at nursery is hard (for us I mean!)

DS didn't sleep well at first but now he actually sleeps longer there than he does at home!!
43 degrees sounds horrific although a bit of sun would be good right now..

WLmum Mon 13-Jan-14 21:22:23

hales hope all is ok
utopian it is emotional stopping bf but I agree it marks a new chapter. We all have to stop so e time!
spotty woo-hoo! That sounds fab.
T has reached new levels of monkey ness - my mum told me today that when she had her on sat she left T asleep in the pram in the garden (not strapped in) and looked out to find her sitting on the patio peering into a plant pot!

WL that's hilarious!!

utopian99 Tue 14-Jan-14 05:50:44

Ha, very sweet (and monkeyish) WL!

Thanks for the comments re bf, if we weren't ttc dc2 I think I'd have left it a bit longer, but he seems v happy and didn't protest. We're having lots of cuddles to make up for it instead. smile

On the other hand, does anyone have tips (not involving cc) to get O to stop waking at 5.30am? He is quite often sleeping from 8-5.30 these days but then it takes an hour to get him back down and it's really frustrating.

WLmum Tue 14-Jan-14 07:25:02

utopian T is the same but if she wakes before 6 I always endeavour to get her back to sleep - usually a quick cuddle will do it but I suspect that's because I did quick cuddle and back down during sleep training. She will usually sleep for another hour then. I do treat it like a night wake - quick cuddle, no chat, back in cot and I go out. Repeat if necessary! I can't leave her to cry at all at that time as it would wake dd1&2. Perseverance?

utopian99 Tue 14-Jan-14 08:40:32

Think that's the only way. We definitely treat it like a night wake, so hopefully he'll get there soon.. he's currently having a wild time unwinding an entire roll of sellotape. hmm

halestone Tue 14-Jan-14 17:00:51

WL did your mum panic?

Utopian i'd just treat it like a night wake as well.

2blessed i hope DS is ok.thanks

Mama, i'm glad C enjoyed her 1st day at nursery.

Spotty yay to booking the wedding and i am envy of your honeymoon in New York. Maryland i'm also envy of you getting married over there.

I am in a awful mood, i haven't seen or spoke to DP since sunday. H keeps biting my niece and shes sleeping crap, and then shes whingy in the day as well.

Maryland2013 Tue 14-Jan-14 18:59:37

What has happened withDP Hales??

DS has come out in a horrible rash. Panicked cos he's not had MMR yet but Drs said just viral rash..

Maryland2013 Tue 14-Jan-14 19:01:59

Spotty for a special honeymoon meal you should try to eat at the a River Cafe. It's under Brooklyn Bridge and has views of Manhattan across the river. Food is amazing. We ate there after our wedding and have been back for anniversaries. It's a picture perfect place smile