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November 2012 - Oh Christmas tree, oh Christmas tree, your ornaments are history.

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StuntNun Mon 02-Dec-13 06:55:53
Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 02-Dec-13 13:12:05

Ding dong merrily on high. fsmile

PetiteRaleuse Mon 02-Dec-13 13:18:29


Excellent thread title stunt

Zamboni Mon 02-Dec-13 13:45:44

Very good stunt fwink

Pikz Mon 02-Dec-13 14:21:13

L thinks the Christmas tree is 'hot' like the aga and therefore hasn't touched it so far!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 02-Dec-13 14:44:27

Good plan pikz

fruitpastilles Mon 02-Dec-13 14:56:16

Thanks stunt brilliant title fsmile

ChasingDaisy Mon 02-Dec-13 14:57:02

Excellent thread title. I am naively hoping that O will just leave the Christmas tree alone...hmm

Lydiejo Mon 02-Dec-13 16:12:21

Too funny and all too true... and the tree has only been up for a day. DH just sent me a text to say that he found an ornament in his backpack fgrin

PurplePidjin Mon 02-Dec-13 17:49:44


If i do [fwine] does it come up mulled?

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 02-Dec-13 18:56:47

Unfortunately not pp by the look of it.fsad

PurplePidjin Mon 02-Dec-13 19:30:44


fruitpastilles Mon 02-Dec-13 20:57:31

Very apt finish pass to bring us onto our new Christmassy thread fsmile

ChasingDaisy Mon 02-Dec-13 21:06:23

I still haven't finished a Fred sad

<stomps feet and storms out>


FlouncingIsles Mon 02-Dec-13 21:16:38

Our tree has lasted a whole 24hrs without being touched by baby or puppy. Long may this continue!

This time last year I was getting a bit shouty....

Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 21:24:04

Sorry chasing [ssad]

Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 21:24:27



YellowWellies Mon 02-Dec-13 21:24:43

Pass DH has been instructed to bring back a toy penguin - my favourite soft toy as a kid was a penguin stitched by my Mum. I loved the imaginatively named Pengy so much I carried him everywhere by his beak, which eventually became unstitched and fell off, ditto his feet, so eventually my favourite toy was essentially a black fluffy rugby ball grin

Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 21:24:54

Why mulled wine?!? Eh? Eh?

Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 21:26:48

Mine was called pip. He had a bow tie.

ChasingDaisy Mon 02-Dec-13 21:30:19

O has a penguin knitted by my stepmum. He looks like an evil penguin out of Wallace & Gromit.

PurplePidjin Mon 02-Dec-13 21:40:10

Dp has decided to go private with his physio. And bought himself a book. But apparently we couldn't afford to buy me a birthday present. Ffs.

I think I'll go on Thank You strike. Nobody's fucking grateful to me, why should i do it for them?

Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 21:50:56

pp I feel so ragey for you. Why are these things not discussed? A book? Is that helpful to him? Really? I feel foot stampy but frustrated for you

Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 21:52:51

Oooiooooooo. Right. Seriously. Croche peeps. Is it hard? Well, hard for a two left thumbed person? I was half inclined to starting something. I love wee brooches and such like and I figure others will if I make them. As gifts

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 02-Dec-13 22:02:18

Not got a tree up yet but walking to the shops after picking up DD1 it seemed that everybody else did! I usually get a huge real tree, this year I'm going to put up my fake 4 footer I bought when DD1 was at the crawling/pull everything down stage. Booo. I do love a real tree but just can't be doing with constantly getting E to not eat the pine needles which is what will happen!

pr The most manic time in my house is the post nursery pre bed time. I try and get DD1 to sit calmly but I fail miserably and the house desends into chaos. She's just so bloody hyper all the time but particuarly after nursery. It's my least favourite time of the day. I dread to think what it will be like once they're both at school!

YellowWellies Mon 02-Dec-13 22:04:39

PP that is so unfair. sad ps keep a look out for the mei tai arriving xxx

YellowWellies Mon 02-Dec-13 22:06:14

Eliza so what you're saying is that us getting an eight foot real tree is a verrrrrr bad idea. Might need to bring DH down to earth on that score hmm

Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 22:06:58

Oo. Probably very late In the day but those who have had baubles made for babies what have you had done? I am now thinking about making but have no skill

GTbaby Mon 02-Dec-13 22:11:20


Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 22:13:42


Why do I get a biscuit?

ValiumQueen Mon 02-Dec-13 22:13:45

Croche Pass? Really, I despair wink

Marking place

Had a fab weekend in London but am shattered so no time to catch up. Will pop a few photos on FB and post tomorrow


Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 22:16:39

I noticed that and giggled waiting for your rebuke! It's like being in Miss Jean Brodie but slightly dirtier [wink ]

Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 22:17:14

Oh fuck me!


ValiumQueen Mon 02-Dec-13 22:17:35

We have three trees up. A small green one downstairs, on a cupboard, DD1 has a pink one with pink and silver decorations, and DD2 has got her first ever tree today - black, with a fox instead of an angel or star. She likes to be different.

daisychain76 Mon 02-Dec-13 22:18:24

Marking place. Got 3 ill dcs and a pile of work so ignoring Christmas this week (it won‘t last, l love it really!)

GTbaby Mon 02-Dec-13 22:18:26

Not for u pass. No words or icon can express how I feel ATM n I needed to mark my place.

ValiumQueen Mon 02-Dec-13 22:18:40

I am getting into picky manager mode ready for the interview.

Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 22:18:43


ValiumQueen Mon 02-Dec-13 22:19:42

(Grabs biscuit and gives it to daisychain)

Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 22:20:03

Grabs gt

Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx < passes lansinoh, hankies and chocolate> xxxxxxxxxxd

ValiumQueen Mon 02-Dec-13 22:20:11


Passmethecrisps Mon 02-Dec-13 22:20:38

Can I keep the biscuit?

ValiumQueen Mon 02-Dec-13 22:21:47

I went to a Mindfulness seminar this morning. It was very chilling, if a bit woo.

ValiumQueen Mon 02-Dec-13 22:22:49

I didn't think you wanted the sodding biscuit! (Passes mince pies and stollen)

BigPigLittlePig Mon 02-Dec-13 22:24:08

Gah I go off for some sewing machine action for a few hours, and you get through 4 pages?! Good grief peeps.

YW night weaning was fab for 3 months (10+ hrs unbroken sleep a night) until the successive 2 month long bug/teeth hell which has culminated in the uncontrolled reflux leading to where we are now...so did work initially. BUT F had crossed several centile lines so I was happy to do it. If she was diddy like J then I would probably have thought twice. Greedy wee piggy has continued to cross lines so definitely hasn't missed out lol.

Am rather proud of my sewing creations tonight. Have made dbs Christmas presents, and next on my list is some Christmas bunting for our house.

GT (((hugs))) my lovely. I think you are entitled to a breakdown of epic proportions, and have done v well to get to this point without one. I had a giggle the other day, as I was writing in Fs diary. I peeked at the entry from last year, and it said something along the lines of "I have been in the incubator because I'm jaundiced. My cord fell off and mummy cried" grin understatement

VQ love the sounds of dd2s tree, sounds ace.

Need to get to bed now, have a study day tomorrow so set to be a long day. Luckily someone else is driving, as am almost certainly too tired for a motorway trip.

Night quiche xx

BigPigLittlePig Mon 02-Dec-13 22:24:59

O god there's going to be pages of crazy when I check in next aren't there!?!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 02-Dec-13 22:31:18

We have the big real tree. In hall. Where crazy baby is not allowed. But the door to the kitchen is glass so I can wonder at it whilst I cook.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 02-Dec-13 22:52:45

Sounds lovely sophia. There isn't a room/area safe in my house at all. Well there is....it's the utility room. But pretty pointless it being in there! MIL wasn't going to put her tree up at all but I've told her to go for it. It isn't real but it is huge.

LuisGarcia Mon 02-Dec-13 23:14:45

I've had to create a new WWF account. User name "Luis again". Please could anyone I was playing with restart with that.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

Kyz Mon 02-Dec-13 23:14:56

Marking place <steals packet of biscuits whilst nobody else looks due to fighting over t'other biscuit>

Thanks for ss advice, many hugs for sleeplessness/post jags issues and things sad lots of hugs. Am not enjoying the fallout from these jags. My content baby is very miserable and whiny, VERY. On the other hand he is a full on walker now, just got up Saturday morning and walked everywhere since. Fairlynuff!

Tree is up, e has been very good. He touches the baubles gently and says peetee, I think we are aiming for pretty!

ValiumQueen Mon 02-Dec-13 23:28:09

I am excited about the advent calendar tomorrow as Mary makes an appearance. And Wednesday is the angel Gabriel. I am loving playmobil this year. J is loving it from a distance.

BP I love the idea of Christmas bunting. I need to make bunting. I wish I had evenings to sew and knit but I have only just wrestled the boy into bed. Poor chap is suffering. Teeth mostly with added reflux obviously.

I also do not understand how if the trigger is removed, in Js case dairy and soya, how come reflux is there even with meds? I dunno. Too late for such thoughts.

Pass I cannot crochet. I need to learn as I think it is lovely. There are videos on You tube. Apparently.

I have come up with an awesome idea for work We have lots of problems and I think I have found a solution that will solve most of them. I am going to be brave and email my boss with the suggestion, then I can refer to it at interview. I am very pleased that I am feeling confident and worthy at work now.

I have also ditched the ADs as I forgot more than I remembered, and then they made me feel really thick headed. My mind is a lot clearer now.

If you think I am going crazy again, do tell me. And no, I do not think the confidence at work is a manic phase as I really am that good grin

Night night my lovely quiche family x

Oh, and Sophia please do visit that lady. She is very lucky to know you and hopefully she will turn out to be a pod friend for you too x

ValiumQueen Mon 02-Dec-13 23:29:25

Good friend. Not a pod friend. That would be weird.

flouncymcflouncerson Tue 03-Dec-13 00:12:22

Oh look here I am marking my place again at a stupid time of night or shall we call it morning?!

I am hoping I can rest all day tomorrow. My bits are killing me and every time I went upstairs to lay down today DH came up to ask me a kitchen question. I may have mentioned already were in a kitchen fitting hellhole just now

DH and DSis are going to give blood tomorrow after work. I'm feeling peed off they won't accept my blood anymore. Surely if they screen and filter it etc then my blood shouldn't be undonatable just cos I've had a blood transfusion!? Hmmmm.

DH is up settling j again. We're supposed to be watching some telly but I don't think he's coming back down. So I shall continue shopping for my kitchen...sad but true!

GTbaby Tue 03-Dec-13 00:45:55

BP what a lovely idea. The diary. I keep thinking ill write lil things they do that make me chuckle. I never do.

Things went from bad to worse.
Went into rant over mode. Mil over heard.--gota love the baby monitor, fml-- but obviously she only hears the bits about her and ignores the bits about how I'm exhausted and how A wont settle. She ignored the me sobbing part. FUCK IT.
Feel bad for FH he has been trying. As I slowly break to pieces he is taking on more and more.
He is doing everything while I look after A and a few things with H.
He has to look after me have a break down, his mums bad back and his dad and sorting his meds and appointments taking them to hospital etc
not feeling very motherly not enjoying it just want to run away and hide from it all.

GTbaby Tue 03-Dec-13 00:50:10

Luis did so well at WWF he broke his account! I'm going to try really hard to beat the new luis account.

Kyz Tue 03-Dec-13 03:51:30

Hope everyone else is asleep right now! flouncy I can't give blood either sad hope j settled?

gt you are doing very well I think. Just keep with everybody fed nobody dead for now and hopefully the rest will come. Bless you, you have lots to cope with

LuisGarcia Tue 03-Dec-13 04:02:16

Hope everyone else is asleep right now!

L and I are not. Hiya.

GT You are brilliant.

PennieLane Tue 03-Dec-13 04:04:15

Thanks so much sophia soooo helpful. I think we need to move to one earlier nap and split lunch either side of it. Fingers crossed!

Those using the app, it also deletes loads of posts.since using the mobile site, I have more idea if whats going on. Sorry if ive ignored posts in the past.

gt sometimes getting stuff out in the open can help-hope so in your case.

Kyz Tue 03-Dec-13 05:19:19

Been up with e who refuses to sleep dice 2:50. This night alone has me on my knees. How do people do it ? sad

StuntNun Tue 03-Dec-13 05:48:22

VQ with my J it took months for the reflux to stop after egg was eliminated from his diet. I cut egg out in July and there was an instant improvement but I suspect it took time for his gut to heal and the inflammation to die down. He's even off his meds for a couple of months now but even then he had a mini flare up just after his MMR. Only in the last two weeks has there been a marked improvement in sleep and I have put a lot of effort into sleep training over the past few months as well, I'm sure it wouldn't have got better by itself.

Flouncey if it's any consolation I wasn't allowed to give blood because I might have malaria! My mum is from a country where there is malaria and even though she emigrated here in 1968 the concern is that she might have had malaria, somehow not noticed, and infected me. Completely ludicrous reason for turning down two blood donors not that my blood's much use as it's AB+. Now I doubly can't give blood because I had an abruption during my last labour and J's blood has affected by blood type somehow. The hospital was supposed to give me a card to carry in case I ever need to have a transfusion but they lost my records again.

I'm struggling at the moment. I haven't even started my Christmas shopping yet. I don't have the imagination this year to choose presents. DS2 might get a furby as his letter to Father Christmas only asks for a TV for his bedroom and a Playstation. I feel so overwhelmed with all the things I have to do that Christmas shopping is an extra pressure I can't handle. Also my MIL has backed out of making Christmas dinner this year so I'll have that to do as well. I don't mind the cooking but it's so much work when I'd rather spend the time with the children. My mum suggested I let DH do the Christmas dinner - hollow laugh - the state of the kitchen would be unimaginable and everything would be cold.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 06:41:05

This feeding ones self game is a v messy one. I have moved Os chair from near my lovely curtains to the side by the white wall hmm theory being the wall can have a quick lick of white paint the curtains aren't so easily rescued. It's the moments when I attempt to hold the spoon he is holding and guide to his mouth. And he pushes it away from his mouth. And he won't let go. So when I do. PING.

ValiumQueen Tue 03-Dec-13 06:42:16

Do you think that having the initial J has anything to do with our babies being sleep dodgers or super refluxers? That and having a penis, obviously.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 06:44:30

Come to us stunt we are not having as many as I first thought. There will be slow. Looked brisket and turkey and all trimmings plus Yorkshire pud. And wine. And maybe a trifle if I can get my act together. And they will all go " this is not how we do Christmas In our outpost" and I will go "ha"

ValiumQueen Tue 03-Dec-13 07:02:02

Stunt I would go to Sophia's if I could. It sounds lovely grin About the Christmas gifts, pop over to the big bargain thread and there are lots of great links and most are internet based. I have got most of my shopping with their help.

I have spent £9 on J for Christmas, and that is including a Peppa Pig DVD which is really for DD2. I also have money from Nana and Aunty and my parents. Not sure they will be impressed if I put it towards a car seat for DD2. He got his car seat with his birthday money. But he is not missing out as he has toys from his sisters. I am not that mean.

StuntNun Tue 03-Dec-13 07:06:38

Ooh slow-cooked brisket I was thinking about doing that as well. What else do you put on with it? A mirepoix or something else? My FIL only eats beef for Christmas dinner but I can't be bothered trying to cook a steak in amongst everything else. And no we can't just have beef for Christmas dinner because my MIL doesn't eat beef. confused Still it won't be as bad as the year we had to cater for a vegetarian as well. I made her cheese fritters with a red onion marmalade for her Christmas dinner and ended up being a teeny bit jealous of her dinner! The story started with MIL was supposed to be getting a new oven and she was going to 'christen it' by cooking Christmas dinner. After much to and froing and arguments with my FIL about whether to get a new oven or a whole new kitchen my MIL is no longer getting a new oven because they just couldn't agree on what to do and hers is inadequate for anything more demanding than cooking a ready meal. So after hearing this sorry story I said, "Well you'll just have to come here for Christmas dinner then." I know what you're thinking, problem solved right? Apparently not, after much negotiating between FIL, MIL and DH now we will be cooking Christmas dinner but they will be buying Christmas dinner. How does that work exactly? Are they going to turn up with a turkey on Christmas Day? I'm away for my mum's birthday from the 20th to the 23rd December so I'm not going to be around to sort out any last minute catering crises. I hate it when things get complicated. Couldn't they just chip in a few quid for the turkey and leave it at that? With DH's family everything ends up much more complicated than it really needs to be. AIBU to contemplate just staying at my mum's instead of coming back here?

YellowWellies Tue 03-Dec-13 07:59:32

Wahey we've had only one wake up the last two nights - thank god the reflux is calming down. Combination of the MMR effect fading, being back off dairy and, of course, booking a doctors appointment confused smile . VQ their guts can be damaged for months even years from exposure to triggers - the longer they were exposed and how sensitive they are can influence how long they suffer. But sometimes it seems there's little rhyme or reason.

We're having turkey and haggis on Christmas day. Christmas Eve has always included Polish food (my Dad's family are Poles) so we'll have borscht, pirogi, then some Scottish treats - venison and partan toes (crab claws). Nom.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 08:41:55

Morning all.

Not decided on my Christmas menu yet. Last year I did beef wellington but it was such a miserable Christmas with us all being ill I can't remember if it was good or not. I'm thinking something gamey like slow cooked boar or venison this year. The baker will do the log and the nibbles. Probably I will do a smoked salmon starter too. And French onion soup if it's v cold that we can snack on. DD1 loves soup.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 08:44:08

Oh, as I refuse to buy oysters the neighbour has told DH he will keep a dozen back for him - he gets food direct from the source being in the business. Oysters are a traditional part of French Xmas dinners <vomits quietly into my breakfast> so DH is chuffed he's going to be able to have some.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 03-Dec-13 08:50:05

I'm doing xmas dinner too. We have in laws coming, an uncle and my mum. I've done it twice before. first time was ok but I packed too much in and timings went astray. 2nd time I planned much better and was much more pleasurable so this time I will plan and prepare as much as I can the evening before. I take the girls to the Christingle and leave DH at home peeling potatos and veg. I'll do braised red cabbage the day before too and just warm it through. mil has bought the turkey for me but will drop it round on the 23rd. I'm not doing any beef, we have beef on boxing day.

sophia loving the ping. we have that here too, a lot. As E's food is still heavily pureed it gets everywhere.

fruitpastilles Tue 03-Dec-13 08:57:25

Dp does the Christmas dinner in our house, if it was left to me it would be a disaster! He is a very good cook and loves doing it so I get the added bonus of no moaning while he does it either. We just get a turkey crown though, a whole turkey is far to much for us and just a waste of money. He's also doing it all again on Boxing Day at his mums for all of his brothers and sisters and their kids. He is one of 7 so that will be chaos. I will be staying away and celebrating Boxing Day as I always do..... at my local social club with all of my extended family smile

YellowWellies Tue 03-Dec-13 09:01:51

Sophia Jonas pings food everywhere too. Though this morning he did a good job of getting his porridge into his own mouth (I did most of it but giving him a spoon distracts him).

DH weaponised the dog this morning. The cat had vommed in the spare room so he let the dog in to clean it up envy .

Right playgroup then off to my sisters.

Happy birthday to Isles' M and isn't there another quichelette today?

PennieLane Tue 03-Dec-13 09:20:49

Ping! Love it! We had that for ages too, luckily as we're now in a rented flat M seems to be able to self feed and use a cup herself. am enjoying having less to ckean up after the 2m diameter of carnage with every meal for first 4 months of weaning

am feeling less broody thinking about that!

flouncymcflouncerson Tue 03-Dec-13 09:24:17

My DH is cooking our Christmas Day dinner! He doesn't cook normally so should be...intriguing! I'm not allowed to lift so can't do much. I said we could keep it easy and just have turkey but he insists we need to have nigellas ham in coke too. I'm thinking of just getting a turkey crown but we like a lot of leftovers! I was looking at asda and m&s and they confused me as their turkey crowns claim to feed between 10-14 people yet are very different weights. Asdas weight is a lot heavier so how do I know which is best?!? I'd normally go into a shop and choose but this year that's not going to happen.

Not even going to moan about Js sleep this morning, it's not worth it and I just get grumpy. What I will say is night DH asked what we should do and I said adoption. That's horrible and I can't believe I said that sad

PurplePidjin Tue 03-Dec-13 09:24:52

Can't catch up, sorry, out of time!

Books are essential in this house - but if he can drop £2 in a charity shop on himself why not on me in some wrapping paper?

Physio is getting cancelled. He needs it, desperately, but it's too much money at £70 a session. We'll look for something cheaper. Lecture delivered on discussing this kinda shit.

Dp has a job interview on Friday. He's been head hunted. Serious serious money for short term trips abroad, perfect as he can come home to rest in between. Please keep everything very firmly crossed!!!!!

Thechick Tue 03-Dec-13 09:37:22

Hello all. Things are going okay on day 2 of not bf. H has been taking it a lot better than I thought he would. We were down to 2 feeds, one in the morning and one at night and he was a bit tearful yesterday but okay. I've been expressing which is taking a long time. I'm going to have to find my electric double pump. Thanks for all the well wishes. I appreciate it!!

Happy birthday to the Isles's M and anyone else who's birthday it s today.

fruitpastilles Tue 03-Dec-13 09:54:55

Happy birthday isles M have a lovely day.

flouncy I think a lot of us have had that fleeting thought at times of despair, don't beat yourself up about it. Big hugs xxx

pidji wow that sounds great, fingers well and truly crossed for your dp!

ChasingDaisy Tue 03-Dec-13 10:07:52

Happy Birthday M!

Aww my MN SS gift arrived today smile

Lily311 Tue 03-Dec-13 10:29:38

Helloooo...I'm finally connected. That wasn't too bad, only 10 days without Internet. It was good though. I read 3 books, I unpacked and I went to sleep early. I will def cut down on the Internet.

Move went ok but I hate unpacking. My bedroom is a mess, I have no bed or wardrobe so need to sleep on sofa. Going to ikea with a van on Friday.

I will try to catch up, might take me a couple of days.

fruitpastilles Tue 03-Dec-13 10:40:46

Hi lily glad the move went well!

ChasingDaisy Tue 03-Dec-13 11:56:24

You know those days where everything that can go wrong does go wrong, and then some, you're stressed, have PMT and your baby cries as if the world is ending every time you move so much as a foot away from them?

Yeah, I need a cuddle confusedsad

GTbaby Tue 03-Dec-13 12:03:39

Hello lily! Do u get to decorate ur new flat?

Penny getting things out in the open wont help in this family. They will pretend like they didn't hear. Just bitch behind my back. At least I know what I said n stand by it.

Xmas dinner. Yikes. I'm keeping it super simple. Loads of veg. Aunt Bessie's roast tats and Yorkshire puds. Pre made stuffing and pigs in blankets. Pre prepared turkey (the no bones one. Not sure what its called) and small pre cook ham from tesco. Done. Lol. Just a big Sunday lunch. Anything else that's easy I've missed I can add?

We are used to cooking meals for lots of ppl so it's not so daunting. I'm sure if I was doing more fancy stuff I'd find it harder.

We had wake ups every 2hours last night confused not good.

Didnt realise app was that bad. I use it mainly. Going have to switch to mobile site b

ditsygal Tue 03-Dec-13 12:10:18

flouncy I have said that many times (does that make me a terrible person?) I love him so much but god it can be hard when you have no sleep. Please don't beat yourself up over it. I think it is normal to get to the point of despair occasionally! hugs

Lily311 Tue 03-Dec-13 12:11:11

No, I didn't decorate. Need to paint the kitchen, hallway, sitting room and bathroom, the rest I managed to do before we moved in. I need furnitures first. I left most at the other flat which is now rented out. O's room is ready, just need to put up pictures and wall stickers. And the kitchen is ready, I have a huge kitchen. But nothing else. I have new washing machine, fridge and dishwasher and they are all awesome. I love them, I spent too much money though.

Xmas dinner. My mum cooks it. We will spend the day at theirs. I probably make some salads and take it with me.

Hugs chasing. Only a couple of hours till bedtime. optimistic

Court case is on Thursday, I'm dreading it. But it's got to be done. And I passed my assignment, feel guilty as I really didn't put too much in it and many failed even though they studied for weeks.

Lily311 Tue 03-Dec-13 12:13:30

Oh, and I loved the degree talk. I have a degree of economics but never worked in finance. I'm doing an open degree now with open uni, only have two subjects left. One will be children's literature but not sure about the other one. I did child development before, now doing childhood studies. I want to keep up the children theme and potentially change my degree to early years but because of the fees I might not be able to.

GTbaby Tue 03-Dec-13 14:17:20

((Chasing)) yes I'm feeding like that ATM. Just managed to have breakfast. A is sat in car seat. Finally not crying.
Going out with sis on Sunday really hoping it cheers me up cos this constant state of tears is annoying me. You know when someone is annoying you and you just think get a grip. That's how I feel towards myself.

Lily that is decorating to me. Lol. Choosing new furniture, putting up pics. Love it.

Ps love LOVE LOVE the bedroom isle! I want a wigwam for H bedroom now. But there is No space, even if we took out the draws.

But I can say dream about it. When we move out. The boys can have a room each. And H room will be in the bigger one, so that's where the wigwam and play area will be.

Crying A. Bbl

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 15:18:04

(((((Hugs))))))) to all those who need them.

cake for the islester

I will do my brisket in a casserole dish with some onions and some rosemary and a bit of stock for about 5 hours on gas 3. I m toying with doing it the evening before then shreading it for a reheat on the day. Then all I have to think about is the turkey.

I have prepped my carrots and got the blanched and in the freezer, I intend doing that with some sprouts and cabbage as well so I can just pull them out.

I am currently experimenting with redoing my roast pots. I have parboiled, coated in flour, basted and open froze them. Plow they are in a bag and I will see how they turn out on Sunday. I have predone them before but I forgot how I did it.

This way I can concentrate on my trifle, yum, and just juggling pans around. No thinking required.

Successful shopping trip. Have come back with a cardy, a scarf and a dress for me. No spending now till my birthday I think. Nice brunch. Then I managed to get my final bits for the girls. Pretty much all done except the SILs. I think one wants a hair dryer hmm

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 15:19:27

One year I did cauliflower cheese too and it was delicious. What do you think? I can get this done in advance too.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 15:33:15

Christmas shopping for the girls complete. Now need to think of the in laws and various members of my own family. And DH. I have a 60€ voucher given to DH by his company for the girls but since I have bought them everything already I am going to use it on me something else.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 15:41:08

I'm going to buy a French Christmas magazine and get ideas from that for the meal. British ones always use different ingredients and cuts of meat. Am thinking something along the lines of coq au vin for Xmas Eve night, beef wellington on Christmas day, and lots of salads. I would like to do boar slow cooked in red wine but a) with the coq au vin would be overkill and b) not sure I'll be able to get the right cut of boar. It's the hunting season so it must be available but not sure where.

I will also do eggs a la meurette over the long weekend. DH will be off from Tuesday afternoon to the following Sunday and for us Christmas is all about the food and wine so I want to plan food for the whole time, leftovers for lunchtime and something nice for the evenings. If it was just us we would spend the whole time indoors eating, drinking and cooking, but the girls will need fresh air. Hope it doesn't rain all bloody winter like last year. And i hope bronchitis/ bronchiolitis and pneumonia stay the fuck out of my house this year.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 15:42:52

A la meurette? Ugh. I think it is en meurette.

GTbaby Tue 03-Dec-13 15:58:16

Right. So now my gp thinks I'm a crazy mum. Nothing wrong with A. Babies cry and want cuddles all the time.
hmm Never knew that before.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 16:40:07

Nursery have just told me that LO is the only one in her group not to have had bronchiolitis or bronchitis in ghe last month. An optimist would say she's escaped it, but I am assuming it's on its way

ChasingDaisy Tue 03-Dec-13 17:01:54

Right, fellow circlers, do we know when the Christmas Radio Times is released?

ChasingDaisy Tue 03-Dec-13 17:05:12

Oh I've just checked - it's Sat 7th for London and the South hmm and Weds 11th for the rest of us grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 17:05:33

fenvy of all the circling joy to be had fenvy

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 17:20:43

I had been wondering myself. chasing

Drool at wild boar pr

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 18:05:46

Drooling too at thought of boar so need to phone round the butchers and see what they can do and cost it.

TheDetective Tue 03-Dec-13 18:11:22

Oh fucking hell hmm.

I was sat on the sofa, minding my own business christmas shopping when I suddenly felt a cold draft on my legs. I look up, to see the patio door wide open, and the dog running in and out frantically. I can't see O.

Yes, O is outside, just made it to the grass dog shit area as I reach him.

Got him back in, cleaned the mud off him, and he just grins. Grins and grins and grins with squeals of delight at his escape artist abilities.

I have no idea how the door became open - DP swears it was locked. It can't have been locked? He also said O can't open it. Well, it was either him, or the dog.

I know who my money is on. Fucking hell.

I had a heart attack. We live on a main road too. <Scary as fuck>

I'm going to be grey before he's 3, aren't I?

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 18:17:37

det yes is the only answer!

pr you may find the girls have built up super dooper immunity grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 18:22:26

I wish. LO has been coughing for a couple of days during naps but still seems well in herself. There is such thing as mild no treatment or oxygen needed bronchiolitis so maybe we'll get lucky. The nursery nurse said that none of the cases had been too serious but there had been one or two short hospitalisations. I'm putting the humidifier on in her room (did so already last night), saline spraying her and fingers crossed.

PurplePidjin Tue 03-Dec-13 18:44:54


Am lurking but have nothing sensible to say so will keep trap shut.

Dp will be spending Thursday night at bil's (interview is in London) so my mum is having R overnight again i neglected to tell her i could have it as holiday before she offered grin

R's new favourite thing to do is play peekaboo from behind the sofa!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 18:51:48

I have fingers and toes firmly crossed for dp's interview pidj

BigPigLittlePig Tue 03-Dec-13 19:10:51

In theory PR, bronchiolitis is caused by something called RSV. As with any virus, you should only be able to get it the once. There will always be exceptions to the rule, but hopefully having had it so bad before, she will not get it again.

Det dh just shook his head and said "fuck" when I read out Os latest exploits grin

Flouncy {hugs} we've all said it in the past, those of us with sleep dodgers perhaps more frequently. Stunt I think was particularly open about how she felt at one point re: J and his sleep.

Pidj good luck to dp, hope it comes up trumps, as it does sound ideal.

GT it sounds as though everything has just got too much. Is there any way you could escape to your mums for a few days R&R? That might be all you need to reset yourself and feel more like your usual self? Glad dh is helping out though.

Sophia Christmas at yours sounds ace. DH is off to order the turkey tomorrow, not sure yet what extras I shall do. Not even sure what day Christmas is happening in our house...

Pie and chips in the oven. Lovely day at a regional training day today, catching up with some familiar faces and some long lost friends. And F slept without intervention from 9-6 grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 19:17:55

But there are a zillion strains of rsv aren't there?

BigPigLittlePig Tue 03-Dec-13 19:23:42

Not according to the oracle that is Wikipedia PR wink

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 19:34:55

Just had to flick back. Hope all goes well on Friday pp that sounds promising.

YellowWellies Tue 03-Dec-13 19:38:26

My niece had RSV three times and was hospitalised twice AND she had the RSV jags... so I don't think it's as 'strict' as say chickenpox in terms of once you've had it you'll not get it again. But your two aren't premmies with fecked up lungs PR.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 19:42:00

No but dd1 was a very healthy toddler when she got it plus double pneumonia. Came out of nowhere. Even the paed was surprised.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 03-Dec-13 19:46:34

I suspect she was more unlucky than anything else PR. Shall keep everything crossed all winter for all the quiche babies, and hope that good health and minimal hospital visits are enjoyed by all. First proper winter is pretty grim for them though, isn't it?

Was a bit gutted with the pie. Had a bad incident with some gone off spinach & ricotta ravioli a few months ago. This pie had sweet potato, spinach and goats cheese - and reminded me just a bit too much of the incident sad

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 19:59:08

It was a particularly nasty strain. The wards were packed it was a real epidemic. Apparently so far this year the virus doing the rounds is a lot less serious. Even the tiddly babies in her group haven't been too ill with it. And the local chest physio comes into nursery to continue treatment once they are on the mend and back to nursery.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 20:02:35

And LO only got it lightly because we were expecting it (dd1 was in hospital and I had bronchitis) so physio was called in on day two the minute it had got down to her chest.

Anyway... No need to panic, she is coughing less with the humidifier, and is eating and not at all wheezing so I have no reason to worry now. Was just voicing my fears, so to speak.

Bastard cunting RSV. It's sweary Wednesday tomorrow.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 03-Dec-13 20:03:39

It always amazes me, the difference in health care between different countries.

Just waiting for the final bit to arrive for my SS prezzie, then I can finish it up and send it out smile. Am itching to get it finished, am feeling a bit chuffed with it.

YellowWellies Tue 03-Dec-13 20:04:22

It always makes me think how scared mothers in times past must have been when winter approached and they wondered if their wee ones would survive. All things considered we really are very lucky to have our babies at this point in history.

Pikz Tue 03-Dec-13 20:10:06

Wishing mr PP lots of luck.

We've had RSV twice now. Luckily just one hospitalisation.

Am really enjoying work and L loving nursery. Think DP who works from home is finding it the weirdest. He misses us both.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 20:14:37

Very lucky yw even giving birth was massively dangerous. Then we have ff which is an option for some of us but an obligation for others, without which many babies survive, and as much as the ff companies are despicable thank God we have them. And the jabs... And oxygen on tap in bad cases of flu or bronchiolitis..

pig I assume you're referring to the physio. I googled the french health serice leaflet on bronchiolitis earlier. Physio is the accepted treatment along with oxygen if necessary. I wonder why they don't do it in the uk? I couldn't find anything about it on Uk sites, other than for CF and some cases of asthma.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 20:20:52

In fact, a sobering thought, lots of us would not be still in the quiche even 60 years ago ignores fact quiche wouldn't have existed then

BigPigLittlePig Tue 03-Dec-13 20:21:43


PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 20:25:48

Just had a pm from horsey - little E was admitted yesterday with a stomach bug, suspected twisted gut. He's severely dehydrated and can't keep food down so on a drip. She asked me to let quiche know.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 20:28:41

I'm not sure if the twisted gut is still a possibility but he is poorly so a collective quiche positive thought would be good right now.

fruitpastilles Tue 03-Dec-13 20:30:56

Oh no, poor E! Poor horsey too.

YellowWellies Tue 03-Dec-13 20:31:11

Oh poor E sad and poor Horsey it's been a rough few months illness wise for them.

Pikz Tue 03-Dec-13 20:34:25

Noooo poor E and horsey. Sending every positive thought and love their way.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 20:35:44

Gut not twisted. She will update soon.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 03-Dec-13 20:37:02

Hugs to horsey and E xx

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 03-Dec-13 20:50:17

Sending prayers and hugs to horsery and E.

Passmethecrisps Tue 03-Dec-13 21:10:33

Oh! Poor poor horsey and E. Get well soon little foal!

PurplePidjin Tue 03-Dec-13 21:12:05

<<horsey and e>>

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 21:26:04

Oh no, will be thinking of horsey and little e. That sounds terrible and scary.

itsnotyouitsMeals Tue 03-Dec-13 21:27:56

Love and thoughts to horsey and E.

Good luck to pp DP.

Hugs to non sleepers (flouncy vq pig luis et al). No sleep here and lots of work for mummy.

Happy new flat lily

Eek det

Um. Sure there are many more to name check.

Thanks for your thoughts re my Dad. He's being so strong as is my mum.

LO has started vomming again. Is it reflux reappearing? MMR not til next week.

Lydiejo Tue 03-Dec-13 21:31:24

So sorry to hear about the littles that are sick. But your Christmas dinners all sound lovely.

I guess I came on here to whine. Feel free to ignore. L now knows how to open the toilet lid and plays in the potty water. Ewww. Also yesterday she was so clumsy, tripping on everything and bonking her head. I was babysitting my 4 year old nephew so of course she was trying to keep up with him. She even got a bloody nose, I'm assuming from all the times she fell. Then last night I took her shoes off before bath time (she wears the little leather shoes) and guess what I found! An extra pair of socks jammed into the toe of one shoe. Worst mommy award goes to me.

The last few days I've also been very worried for my sister. Her husband went missing. Thankfully the police located him, but he was delirious... on some drug. He was at an old friends house who insists it was "too many sleeping pills." But he has had a drug problem in the past, we thought years ago. My dad went over and had to physically remove him from the place. He refused to get care at the hospital. My sister just got married in September. Needless to say she has been feeling awful and unable to eat. I hope things will start looking up for her soon.

Kyz Tue 03-Dec-13 21:32:57

Evening all.

Sending huge massive hugs and lots of healing thoughts for little E horsey, I really hope he's better soon, thanks for keeping us updated and thanks for passing on the messages pr

Sorry if I upset anyone this morning when I moaned about e's sleep but what I meant was i'm rubbish and those of you that cope with it regularly are brilliant, rather than anything else. I can't believe how rubbish I am after one bad night sad some of you really are amazing and I'm honestly not trying to be condescending or anything, I hope I am not coming across that way

stunt you sound massively busy and that sounds like alot of palava for xmas dinner. I too would rather a bit towards it money wise than the 'we'll buy it' thing, I mean you need it in advance and I don't know about you but I am specific with some things. Plus you might worry if she buys it last minute and then can't find something/it isn't in stock. Argh!

feeding self : E flings his spoon too. He is terribly messy, and doesn't seem to try to eat any of the food he's got, except for the odd yoghurt or the first bit of breakfast. he is hungry first thing so eats about a dozen spoon fulls then starts playing. Am not sure how to go forward i hate mess, do I just have to embrace it? I worry he won't eat enough if I let him feed himself :S

woohoo for better nights yw smile

I am undecided on meat for this year. We tend to do a massive dinner for New Years day too but never the same meat as crimbly dinner

Flouncy you madfe that comment in the heat of the moment at what probably was a very desperate time, don't beat yourself up about it hugs

pp i don't blame you for being upset, I would be too. Everything very firmly crossed for the job interview on Friday

Glad things are going ok re not bf chick

Happy birthday to M isles!!

My MN SS gift arrived today, the one from when I've been nominated by someone to receive something with the MN xmas appeal, I am so grateful for the nomination and the gift, and I need to hop over to the thread where you can thank people! I have my quiche ss present ready to post and will get round to posting it tomorrow smile

Glad the move went well lily smile Hoping the court case goes well too

biiiig cuddles chasing

Degree talk, I have a degree in Zoology. Never used it so far sad

oh sophia can I come for xmas dinner? your foody posts have my mouth watering! PR Does that to me too

Gosh det that would terrify the life out of me! Speaking of scary MIL has had E alot for us recently whilst the floor sort of, fell through etc, and she said he eats satsumas fine etc and he's doing well, she gives him bananas as they are which i'm ok with as long as he's sat down ok it scares me but he seems to handle them fine but then today I took him there for lunch, he came toddling in to me with a whole grape in his mouth!!!! She said he's ok with them but I don't like it. Am I allowed to ask her to halve them? It scares me.

FC for no bronchiolitis pr or other illness actually!

E had his appointment with the opthomologist (ear person, probably spelt it wrongly) today and it looks like his eyes are fine :D woo!

FC for sleep quiche wide tonight! If I am up I will post in case anyone else is up

Hope E is better soon horsey, know i've said it once but still!

ChasingDaisy Tue 03-Dec-13 21:42:08

Oh gosh poor horsey and horsey foal. Sending healing thoughts their way.

Kyz, definitely ask for her to halve grapes. I am pretty laid back about what O eats but I always halve grapes for him. I've popped my thank you on the MN SS thread smile it's such a lovely thing to receive. Am keeping mine until Christmas Day smile

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 21:46:13

kyz you are not rubbish and offended no-one.

lydie if that is worst mummy award I think we can all find examples of even worse mummydom. The situation with BIL sounds worrying though <<<hugs>>>

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 21:46:43

Grapes should be halved until they are at least 15 5

Passmethecrisps Tue 03-Dec-13 21:47:34

Evening ladies.

Hia lydie. These things happen! I am sorry to hear about your sister's husband though. It sounds very worrying.

kyz don't apologise for saying what is happening in your life! All things are relative. I would always half grapes at the moment and have skinned them too.

The illness chat is eye opening. I am very aware of just how lucky we have been with p's health - genuinely and honestly I am grateful every day. I hope our babies all stay, for the most part, fit and healthy.

We are off to the inlaws for Christmas this year. It will be traditional turkey and trimmings with trifle (which I can't bear) and veggies cooked to nothing. After we come back my parents will come up for the day so we might go out for tea or so a roast beef.

Oh, p has a new cute thing! She has been waving for a while now - full arm swinging. At the weekend she started doing this wrist rotation which looks like the queen's wave! It is very funny. When DH was at his folks and I was on FaceTime she was waving like this at me then took her dummy out and stuffed it onto the iPad screen where my face would be.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 21:47:57

lydie whine as much as you like. We all do. And remember tomorrow is Sweary Fucking Wednesday smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 21:49:53

lydie that sounds a bit scary. Us your sister alone with him at hone at the mo? O us almost same trying to keep up with DS1 luckily no bloody noses but lots of bumped heads. He doesn't care anymore just lies there for a second and is back to mischief.

GTbaby Tue 03-Dec-13 21:49:56

Another day of hugs to all.

Hope E is ok horsey x

BP mil back is bad. Which is leaving alot to me n FH. FH is doing most of it tbh. Wish I could go home for a few days but mum is at work.

Passmethecrisps Tue 03-Dec-13 21:50:17

Oh Crikey! My chat about MIL's Christmas dinner sounds horrid! It is lovely and I will eat it and it will be delicious! We used to grow sprouts which were the most beautiful, crisp and delicious things ever. Until mil cooked them. Other than that she is a wonderful cook. And I hate trifle anyway.

PurplePidjin Tue 03-Dec-13 21:50:59


R luffs his Jellycat dragon from last year's mnss. He was too little at the time, wish i knew who sent it so i could tell them he cuddles up to it to go to sleep in the car (safely tied to the seat with elastic) fsmile

Passmethecrisps Tue 03-Dec-13 21:51:24

Oooo yes lydie. Get your sweary knickers on for tomorrow. You don't need to swear obviously but if you want to we are all up for it!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 21:52:24

Oh yeah, I actually quater grapes for O but still halve them for DS1.

Yes kyz you can moan is what we are all here for. Like pass said is relative.xx

Passmethecrisps Tue 03-Dec-13 21:52:36

Hia pp. Not said good luck and all things crossed for the interview. Almost don't want to jinx it.

Kyz Tue 03-Dec-13 21:53:45

I am keeping mine too chasing smile will find that Fred, you can put the code on when you say thankyou can't you? so your ss knows your gift arrived?

Sorry cross posted lydia hugs, that does sound worrying! And that doesn't sound worthy of the worst mummy award, bless you

How do you think I should mention the halving grapes? She's a godsend and adores e and I desperately don't want to offend and sound like an uppity know it all or whatnot. You all know how terribly I word things and I will end up digging a big hole!

Passmethecrisps Tue 03-Dec-13 21:54:15

I was thinking about getting p another jellycat thing for her collection. She loves soft toys. We lost the jellycat sheep she had. Might replace that. Dragon sounds nice. Owl? She has a rabbit and a cat and a mouse currently

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 21:54:50

Do you know pass my MIL foes everything to oblivion too, somehow I find it comforting, and they all think I undercook everything!!!

Passmethecrisps Tue 03-Dec-13 21:56:05

kyz I always just do the apologetic and "I know I am being a worried dafty but . . . " thing and say it would help you relax if grapes were cut up. Any further issues then you channel the quiche

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 21:58:12

kyzWould it be easier to fib and say

" oh, we had a terrible incident with a grape last night, e nearly choked and we had to do the heimlic manoeuvre and everything, I was reading we should halve or quarter them. Up until they are 5. Would you believe it. They can be quite dangerous" solemn face.

Passmethecrisps Tue 03-Dec-13 21:58:44

Hahaha sophia!

My dad always bites sooks into veggies my mum has made with a sigh of "see, I like my vegetables cooked "

My MIL boiled these tiny and beautiful sprouts to soup because she was making dinner for an elderly neighbour who couldn't chew. Bless her loveliness

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 22:00:31

I do love a trifle. blush I like to get my nans trifle dish out.

Passmethecrisps Tue 03-Dec-13 22:03:12

Loving Sophia's fibbing. That is what I would do. And will do from now on.

Passmethecrisps Tue 03-Dec-13 22:03:52

It's the horrid soggy biscuit bit I hate. Bleaurgh.

Don't like soggy or slimy

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 03-Dec-13 22:06:09

I don't like sog either, but alcoholic sog is ok an if you make sure each layer sets properly individually the they don't seep through......wonderment.

Anyway.... Must go to sleepies.


PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 22:07:28

You could just say the grapes are the one biggest choking hazard around and that official advice is to halve them. Seriously, grapes are evil. Just the right shape to get blocked, just the wrong texture to get through. I have to admit I have had none in the house since dd1 was born. They get given them at nursery. Halved I was very insistent on checking that

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 22:09:07

Have never tried to make a trifle. Wouldn't be able to beat my mum's/granny's/sister's. And DH hates it. Even theirs nutter

ChasingDaisy Tue 03-Dec-13 22:13:39

Yuck to trifle.

grin to Sophia's fibbing.

Kyz, you need to change your nickname to your SS 'code name'. Details should be in the PM from MN and on the front of your gift smile

O loves soft toys too. Especially a giant dog which is bigger than him. He gives it big bear hugs. Very cute.

Will be at my dads for Christmas dinner. Stepmum will cook. I will be making homemade mince pies and Nigella's Yule log. Yum.

Off to bed now. Early start for our London trip tomorrow. Night quiche xx

Lydiejo Tue 03-Dec-13 22:14:22

Sister has been staying at my parents so not alone with him. I guess he was apologetic last night though. Apparently he has been depressed and out of work. He was laid off from his job in June and we only now just found out. Which is weird because we are a close family and would have helped them out... no need to keep that a secret.

Oh, I was going to add. I got my degree in Health Science with an emphasis in public health. I was 8 weeks pregnant at graduation. Wasn't able to get any jobs health related or otherwise that paid well... I ended up as a produce manager at a tiny grocery store till right before L was born. Lifting boxes of fruit till 9 months pregnant. I think someday I will go back to school. Sometimes i wish I had a fab career. For now I mostly enjoy being a SAHM... until I have to do the dishes. I hate dishes and they used to be DHs job sob sob haha. There is a big pile right now.

It snowed here last night fsmile

Passmethecrisps Tue 03-Dec-13 22:19:21

Reckon it will be snowing here fairly soon too.

P gives her toys proper cuddles now and goes " aaah" when she does it.

YellowWellies Tue 03-Dec-13 22:19:52

Kyz I was about to suggest you lie about a choking incident but just spotted Sophia got in there first!

I love trifle but I can't have it this year. Sulk. envy

PetiteRaleuse Tue 03-Dec-13 22:37:26

Good that DSis is safe lydie

And shock at you having to work the day before LO was born. We are lucky in Europe re maternity leave. Where I am we have to stop on full pay 8 weeks before due date. And full pay continues til 12 weeks past due date. 8 weeks pre was a tad too soon with dd1, I could have kept going. With LO I was signed off at 26 weeks. On full pay.

GTbaby Tue 03-Dec-13 23:22:18

shock PR

FlouncingIsles Tue 03-Dec-13 23:23:21

I am finding it soooo hard to keep up now I am a working mummy sad

From my brief skimming whilst pulling a wired M off the ceiling, I gather horseys e is poorly. Poor wee soul, sending lots of get well wishes thanks thanks thanks

Work is great. But sooo intense. So much to learnnin so little time. But I am loving it and my team are wonderful. Really a* smile

I am missing M like msd though. Her birthday today was so lovely (thanks for all the happy birthdays) but I have spent most of it close to tears. I got into the carand as i pulled out the street this morning the clock ticked onto the time she was born sad .

BUT she walked across the room to me today grin And our cake was surprisingly tasty. And I really should focus on what I have and not the few hours of chores/tears/tantrums/nap dodging I missed today. hmm

FlouncingIsles Tue 03-Dec-13 23:24:24

Oh and bastard (x?) PIL snubbed M's birthday angry A few small gestures from 2/3 SILs but notneven antext from PIL angry angry angry

Lydiejo Tue 03-Dec-13 23:27:06

PR I had gathered that you all had much better maternity leave. I am kind of shocked though at how awesome. Full pay for all that time!? That is really great. I think America needs to get on the boat with that. I actually quit at 37 weeks or nearly I think. It just got too hard to stand and lift. Then L came early, a day before 38 weeks. I loved being pregnant though. I can't wait to do it all again. (I know, a lot of you might hate me for that haha)

GTbaby Tue 03-Dec-13 23:29:36

My sil knows a baby/toddler who chocked on a grape and didn't survive. Sry to put a downer on things.

Ugh I am wide awake with the most painful earache I think I've ever had. It sounds like there's a crackling fire in my ear and I can't believe how much it hurts. I've come downstairs as I was waking DP by crying. Throw in a hacking cough and dickie tummy to the mix and I don't think I'm getting any sleep tonight. Thankfully O is having a good night it seems.

Can't even call in sick to work as I have to run an hour's online training session at 9am and nobody else starts work before then. Hopefully I can get through it and then get myself a Dr appt. if this is what O has had in the last couple of weeks then no wonder her sleep has been so shit, and I feel awful for not getting her seen and treated sad

Just been sick, twice. Feel a bit better in my stomach but my ear is so sore. Glad I had the forethought to put the salad bowl next to me.

Just want to sleep...

Lily311 Wed 04-Dec-13 04:15:43

Hot water bottle on your ear? Warmth should help.

Thinking of horsey , hope e is getting better.

lydia hate washing up. I now have a dishwasher.

Grapes. I quarter them. I'm too scared of the bastards.

And yey to M, clever girl.

Who else is not walking? O gets really scared when letting my hands go, she is a pro at holding only one hand and walking around.

Evilwater Wed 04-Dec-13 07:52:24

Just to let you all know I have internet now!!! We are both fine. Will post tonight.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 04-Dec-13 07:52:34

Morning all.

Good luck laughalot earache is not fun sad

DD1 woke up in a real temper. And LO woke up at 6. Dropped her off at nursery and she was heading straight for bed.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 04-Dec-13 07:53:01

Good to hear that evil smile

YellowWellies Wed 04-Dec-13 08:11:57

Awesome Evil!

Isles what a nasty family. Does the ? mean P is being all charming and messing with your head? How's he coping as a SAHD? Is he still wanting to be a kept man?

Laugh a lot ouch sad

Lily no walking here yet and I don't expect it til 15 months or so given he's so wee and his high muscle tone from being jaundiced (according to the paed). My lot are always late which bad refluxers often are as they have to be held so much when wee. Not that I'm complaining as it'll save money on shoes and he'd be so bloody kamikaze on his feet.

Jonas at 13 months just had his first fall off the bed, because I was chatting to you lot. Bad Mum. He didn't cry just looked shocked poor soul.

Wonder how Horsey and E are.

FlouncingIsles Wed 04-Dec-13 08:33:02

Yay evil

And poor misslaugh sad Sounds horrid.

YW poor J!! ? down to the fact I have decided to cut them out entirely. Does that make them xPIL? Anyway yes he is being charming. I am coming home to clean washing, cooked meals and a happy M (he is a better SAHP than me blush ) BUT I am having a little bet with myself as to how long it last. I reckon Monday. hmm

PetiteRaleuse Wed 04-Dec-13 08:36:31

DD1 was 15 months too. She's quite big (98th centile) and strong. I think it is a better age as they just get it quicker the later they are. DD1 was running within weeks of walking and hardly ever lost her balance. LO is much less steady on her feet but improving every day. I think she walked earlier because she could see DD1 do it, and slightly older kids at nursery, and just kind of made herself do it to keep up iyswim. I really need to get shoes sorted. Baby feet are so hard to get in shoes I find so I keep her in leather slippers most of the time at home and at nursery all the children are barefoot all the time except when they go out. Which I am a tad hmm about but nevermind.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 04-Dec-13 09:30:12

Glad M had a good birthday isles. what a way to mark it by her walking.
Still no walking here, or cruising really. Won't be for quite some time. I bet she'll be one of the last. I'm not worried though. DD1 was an early walker so enjoying the crawling stage more. Ouch, she just bit my toe!

hope you feel better soon misslaughalot sounds nasty.

Glad you are ok evil

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 04-Dec-13 09:42:12

I take back the no cruising comment, she's just shuffled along holding onto the sofa to try and wrestle a mince pie off DD1. Yes, she really is eating a mince pie at this time in the morning. The child hasn't stopped eating since she got up.

Zamboni Wed 04-Dec-13 09:44:07

Lots of love to horsey and E. FX he is ok.

det how scary.

flouncy we have ALL thought those thoughts.

isles hope for your sake it lasts longer than Monday. Glad the new job is going well.

laughalot hope it clears up soon, otherwise get thee to a dr.

BP do you have a specialist ante-natal/post-natal offering at your hospital? I have a friend who has gone into labour at 30 weeks and they have taken her to your town. That must be terrifying.

Hi evil - hope you are all sorted in the new pad. If you would like any help or company let me know - DH is playing in a hockey tournament near you on Sunday 15 December so we might be in the area then.

YW rite of passage. Good that he didnt cry.

PR I didnt realise mat leave was so well paid in France - that's amazing. But the UK is amazing for maternity leave compared with the USA. Lydie when I was pg with DD, I had a big case on with a US lawyer who was astonished when my boss and I explained my entitlements.

pidj fingers and toes crossed for vvvvDP. What an exciting opportunity!

pass S luffs DD's babies - he properly cuddles them and makes little noises to them when DD permits him to.

Christmas plans are so nice to read about. We are at home then up to the midlands for the weekend after. Any east midlands quichsters fancy a post xmas meet? kyz? horsey (once E is all better)? Anyone else in spitting distance of there?

SS all done fsmile. Mine has arrived. Very exciting!

My DD was 14 mo when she walked. S has started with the wobbly, arms-out-like-a-zombie steps but is taking much longer to actually walk reliably.

Everyone apart from me is ill. I had a couple of important things on y'day followed by a networking thing so just had to abandon DH to puke while looking after ill DC. I didnt get home until midnight. He may be shite at getting up in the night, but he just bloody got on with it yesterday. He is very, very supportive and does SAHD duties and his own FT job so I can get on with focussing at work. I have moaned about him lacking initiative in the past but he is fantastic with the DC and at home, and I am very grateful for him. Especially at the moment - an awful lot of shit at work. I'm not directly affected but it will indirectly affect me and its very stressful.

YellowWellies Wed 04-Dec-13 09:49:01

Eliza I'd cruise for a mince pie. smile

Isles I see what you mean! smile

A better night though I think he reacted to a soy fake cheese spread as he was refluxy at first. Will give it a miss and see what happens.

PR they say barefoot is best for their feet and developing healthy walking. Not that it's helping J!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 04-Dec-13 09:57:23

Oh that's a relief. I.m sure there have been threads on MN about the evils of barefootedness. Haven't been worried enough to google though. They have underfloor heating so am not worried about them getting cold toes smile

zamboni I don't know about maternity leave in France, I work in Lux. I doubt France is as generous.

Lily311 Wed 04-Dec-13 10:25:09

Mat leave is good in Hungary too. 70%of your salary for 2 years than stat mat leave for another year but it's only £80 a month. I should get the stat mat leave but can't as I don't have O's Hungarian birth certificate. But I would never ever give birth here, no fucking way. You can swear at the nhs but you wouldn't if you would know what is happening here (only antenatal and postnatal care, rest is good here).

Zamboni Wed 04-Dec-13 10:36:25

Of course PR, I did know that. <bangs head>

PetiteRaleuse Wed 04-Dec-13 10:57:16

It's 20 weeks full pay which takes you to 12 weeks post birth, then six months on minimum wage.

Zamboni Wed 04-Dec-13 11:26:42

20 weeks on 100% is pretty decent although I could not have finished 8 weeks before due date. I worked until 36 weeks with DD and could easily have worked until term, with S I worked until 37 weeks but knew I was having a section at 39, and only stopped working because I wanted a few days with DD and on my own whole she was at nursery!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 04-Dec-13 11:36:01

Yeah the 8 week pre thing is a pita but the law...

GTbaby Wed 04-Dec-13 12:00:10

No walking here. Costs along sofa but not at all holding hands

Evil great to hear from you.

Isle glad work is going well.

Lydi hope all works out ok for sis

PR how is lo cough?

Better sort out my SS or ill be the last one!

YellowWellies Wed 04-Dec-13 12:11:13

I could happily have worked up until 38 weeks or so as I was perfectly fine sitting behind a desk on the computer (providing I sat on my bouncy ball and went to the loo like every hour!), but he had other plans and turned up at 36 weeks on the nose. Bit of a surprise and nearly put the kibosh on my MA as we scraped qualification for it by 2 days only. Wah (You need to have a certain number of weeks of freelance in before birth to qualify in any tax year. Whilst it's technically based on due date if the baby arriving means you couldn't work after that point it is discriminatory against those who have prem babies).

flouncymcflouncerson Wed 04-Dec-13 12:15:16

Thanks for the kind words everyone. I do love him dearly but I just wish he would bloody sleep!!!!!!!

Kitchen is slowly coming together. I have units and a floor and a cooker, micro and hob and fridge freezer. Sink is in but not plumbed in yet due to 'issues' so have a plumber coming tomorrow.

My j is nowhere near walking or talking. He can say mum but I don't even know if it's meant for me and his other favourite noise is 'bit' but that's just random.

YellowWellies Wed 04-Dec-13 12:39:53

GT and Flouncy sounds like our three are about the same walking wise. J can cruise quite happily (usually food motivated like Eliza's E! he comes to rob my dinner after already having his own), but if I hold him by his hands, at most he does one or two 'jumps' rather than steps and then drops down to the floor and off to crawl, he thinks it's hilarious being held upright and 'walked' by the hands but his wee sparrow legs are too weak and he knows he can go faster by crawling. He can cruise like a good un, goes at a fair pace with the baby walker but he has only stood unsupported like once or twice for a matter of seconds so I do think it won't be this year that he's walking.

I'm kinda glad as I was worried that it would happen when DH was in the Falklands and he would be devastated to miss it. (He's a big ol' softie). But He's 13.5 months actual 12.5 adjusted so it's hard not to worry. I try not to worry about it as he's had so many setbacks with being prem, and jaundice, and his fecking awkward diet, and evil bastarding reflux and being so tiny but it's hard not to especially as I know the paed must be concerned about his growth as she's upped his appointments to every six weeks (this is after waiting 10 months for the first one!!!) lets face it you don't get six weekly appointments with a paed on the NHS unless they're worried.

But folks seem to think that they have free rein to point out how wee he is when you wouldn't go up (or I wouldn't!) to the Mum of a big baby and go 'cor what a fat one he's gonna struggle in the future, what do you feed them chocolate and crisps?' but I'm always getting admittedly stupid and uneducated folks coming up to me assuming J is a very advanced months younger baby because he's very chatty and dextrous but very wee. When they find out he's one people often hint that it's BF that has made him small and assume that if your baby isn't on the 90th centile there is something wrong. I also know that I shouldn't be comparing him to FF babies as that's a totally different growth model and given he won't take very much at all of his nutramigen I know that switching to FF would not help with his growth at all as he'd just be losing a source of calories perfectly tailored to him. At least with BF I know he's getting lots of calorie rich milk every day.

I know that everyone complains about the pressure to BF before you have your baby but trust me the pressure not to, once your LO gets to one is much more overwhelming. Every Ned and their long lost pals think its ok to have a say. Maybe it's related to Mummy guilt and not wanting others to visibly continue what you struggled with? Maybe it's just Little Britain. But sheesh.... angry

YellowWellies Wed 04-Dec-13 12:45:51

Woo that was more of a rant than even I was expecting.... Sorry!!!! blush am not looking forward to trying to argue a calcium supplement out of the doc this afternoon for J. It's like trying to pull f*cking teeth.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 04-Dec-13 13:03:16

I'm not sure there is a big difference necessarily between the weight of ff and bf babies, I mean once solids come in (the first few months of course there is as ff babies don't need to worry about supply). DD1 was born on 98th centile, and other than a weight drop when she was ill last year stayed on it pretty much. I have been criticised since she was born that she is too fat, sometimes by complete strangers but more often by people who should know better ILs and CM and nosy neighbours . With comments just like your jokey one above. Less so now she is growing and losing her puppy fat, but as soon as people find out she is only 2, no the 3+ they expect the comments still come.

If people think being on the 90th centile is the norm they are bloody stupid. And it doesn't really matter anyway as long as they don't go up or down the chart too much.

The 'natural' course of bf'ing is anything from 9-36 months. Sometimes they stop of their own accord, others continue.

I think whatever you do there will always be people who think they know better and that you should listen to their unasked for opinion. People are surprisingly judgemental about the strangest things - right down to the smallest detail. Just look at what people on mn get worked up about. I was asked by another mum at nursery why LO was wearing brown boy socks and my answer being that they were warm was met with a sneery look. <shrugs>

PetiteRaleuse Wed 04-Dec-13 13:05:44

But yes the comments you remember are the ones that hit a nerve for some reason or other. The woman in the supermarket who tried to take dd1's dummy from her mouth (quite a while ago now but I happily admit she still likes a dummy when winding down) and made a quite frankly nasty comment about it will probably not forget my mother tiger reaction for a good while yet.

flouncymcflouncerson Wed 04-Dec-13 13:23:14

yw I got load so comments about j being so big when he was to all intense purposes fat. No one would believe he had never had a taste of food in his life and that I was all just breast milk. They assumed I over fed him on solids especially when he was 6 months plus. It is nice to have him fit into things the correct age range now and slightly cheaper than replacing his clothes so often! What size does J wear as I have a bunch if things I'm going to be getting rid of as I can't face listing them on selling sites. If they'd suit you then I'd love you to have them?

As for the walking. I'm not bothered one iota. They all do different things at different rates. My daughter was born end nov 09 and didn't walk until beginning April 11. I wasn't bothered then so reason to be now. She was an excellent communicator and spoke in sentences very clearly very early. The nursery commented on how unusual her speech was as it was so good. So they're all different. We as adults are all able to different things so why shouldn't kids be the same.

DH has just been sent out for a Burger King for me. Kitchen still 'in progress' and as such we have bugger all food in and I'm hungry!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 04-Dec-13 14:14:35

Hello all. Tired today. Meant to have a day off bread but have just scoffed three slices of a gorgeous bread with cheese And bacon Baked into the top and two mini mince pies all *eliza's fault since she just mentioned mice pies

o is cruising an definitely not walking. If you leave him standing on his own he thinks about it and then very deliberately sits down. He is too scared to try.

YellowWellies Wed 04-Dec-13 15:58:50

Thanks all smile nice (!! well not 'nice' but YKWIM) to know the general public at large feel the need to comment regardless of which end of the size scale they're at. In the docs waiting room just now an old boy clearly decades past his baby days commented on what a big lad J is - clearly revealing his ignorance of the babies but I could have kissed him grin ! I think I'm worrying and projecting as after Christmas we're off to see the in laws and all three babies on that side have been FF and 90th + centilers (one to the point his eyelashes had started growing inwards!) and their perception of average is a bit skewed they also all had v bad experiences of BF so are quite vocally anti it. When they see the 2nd centile BF bear I'm sure there'll be comments as to why a bottle would be best blush.

Flouncy that's so kind smile thank you. He's in 6-9 mostly (some 3-6 tops) and some 9-12 depending on the shop. I'll send you some cash or something nice for them as if nothing else, he has been very cheap clothes wise!confused

PetiteRaleuse Wed 04-Dec-13 16:05:11

Well DD1 isn't big because of ff - I don't think she ever drank more than 27oz in a day and mainly hovered between 20 and 25, which is a lot less than many on here. Her dad and aunt are both over 6ft though. I wasn't expecting to birth such a bruiser. LO is on the 50th centile I think, fed exactly the same way. Lots of it is genetics smile

I've been getting muscular type pain round about the c section area. Anyone else get that?

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 04-Dec-13 16:17:19

Btw. O is on 25centile, DS1is on 91st they both eat well and they were both 9lb. Go figure. I think it is all swayed by DS1 s enormous head. Means nothing, healthy child is main thing.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 04-Dec-13 16:31:39

Oh and both ff but DS1just 11 weeks of bf.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 04-Dec-13 16:46:55

LO coughing but not much. Slight whistle occasionally when she breathes but she's not wheezing or having any trouble breathing or eating. Will keep an eye on her. If they hadn't mentioned the dreaded b word yesterday I wouldn't worry in the slightest.

Thanks for al

Oops, try again!

Thanks for all the well wishes. Got in to se a dr this morning and I have rotavirus which according to Wikipedia is a children's disease hmm. Was prescribed an antibiotic spray for my ear (which is still so painful, I think it's the constantness of it that's getting me down, at least you get breaks from labour pains!) and Diaoralyte for my dehydration which is gross to drink envy

At least work were good about me having a sick day on only my second week back.

Will catch up properly when my head isn't trying to explode...

PurplePidjin Wed 04-Dec-13 18:09:39

Hear hear YW

Was out with a mate today and a tired looking lady was bf a very new baby so we stopped to say nice things - we're both still bf at 12 months - hopefully we cheered her up a bit, i well remember the desperate days of trying to buy a cuppa before the wailing got too bad so i could legitimately sit in a cafe to feed!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 04-Dec-13 19:41:02

Evening all.

Nice to hear from evil - looking forward to an update.

Flouncy I'm glad the kitchen is coming along, will we be treated to some photos when it's all done?

Misslaugh thanks - get well soon. Sounds awful.

Zamboni not sure I understood the Q....antenatal/postnatal offering? As in, are they any good? Think they are - we narrowly avoided SCBU, but they are well staffed, and have v good paediatricians here. Some stuff does get moved to a nearby childrens hospital but usually stuff that needs surgery. Send me a pm if you have Qs. Hope she (and baby) are doing ok.

Isles glad work was good, and how great that M had her first steps on her birthday! You'll never forget that date now!

FIL always comments on F - "look at the size of her, what a chunk" etc etc. I feel like saying "well yes, she is getting bigger, because she's a baby who is growing, which means getting taller, broader, heavier" hmm

MIL told dh I am being v bloody unreasonable today. Tell me what you think. I may have mentioned once or twice the fact that I'm on call on Christmas day, ie. 13 hour shift. I said to dh that I absolutely don't expect him to stay at home all day, but that I would like Fs first Christmas dinner to be with us, as a family. The excitement of crackers, hats, wrapping paper. DH gets this, sort of. MIL does not. She was livid. AIBU? I told dh to tell her to shut her trap blush as she has never had her family split threeways over the Christmas period so she has no idea what she's talking about.

YellowWellies Wed 04-Dec-13 20:01:29

BP YANBU. I totally get that. She can have them over for fun, mince pies, turkey sarnies whatever but not the full dinner - but then I guess he'll have to cook something at home so is she worrying that that's antisocial? Could you have your family dinner before Christmas day maybe? I do think anyone who has their Christmas day every year without having to work shouldn't be calling the shots on this one!

Wish me luck. Have just realised that I'm the lynch pin for this freelancing work I just won and that my technical skills swung it for us in front of the client so am trying to negotiate a cheeky rate rise.... why am I so bad at asking for a pay rise!!!! blush hmm

Kyz Wed 04-Dec-13 20:26:16

Evening all smile Hope everyone has had a good day! E was having a brilliant day until point blank refusing his tea. He likes Shepherd's pie too. He wouldn't eat tea yesterday either. He sometimes pretty much/completely refuses meals the odd time. Does anyone else have this happen? He sometimes has slow days where he doesnt eat much, then greedy days where he eats really quite alot. And then these odd days where one meal he just doesn't eat much at all. Usually tea if anything but sometimes lunch too. He messes around and squeals and whines and if i'm honest manages to wind me up and I don't want to be stressed feeding him again, I thought we were past that!

I shall broach the grape subject carefully next time she's to have him. I will probably say I had a scary experience here with one and explain that I want him to be sitting when he eats everything and definitely no whole grapes!

Trifle - Will eat it without those spongy fingers in, ew!

Really glad you're enjoying work isles brilliant that M took her first steps on her birthday! Awful of PIL to snub her birthday though, nasty gits

Gosh Misslaughalot you sound in such pain! I hope you have a better night tonight, bless you

Glad you're both safe and well Evil and YAY to interwebs smile

Quiche meet sounds nice zamboni smile Hope you get sorted with work, it does sound very stressful

Do you think your kitchen will be sorted by the end of tomorrow flouncy?

aw yw J might only be a little lad but he sounds like he has a MASSIVE personality, and everything is in proportion and he's a healthy little boy smile

Think it was lovely of you to stop and talk that lady pp smile

bplp YANBU!

Good luck yw!!!

FlouncingIsles Wed 04-Dec-13 20:26:40

I am off xmas day, boxing day and new year's day. I am feeling very grateful for this!!

livenlet Wed 04-Dec-13 20:35:14

4 year old "everyone in my class has there tree up "
does every one eles in you class have 1 year old that wants to climb , pull , and eat every thing she sees, not looking forward to this promised to do it at the weekend

PurplePidjin Wed 04-Dec-13 20:39:20

Kyz R rejects medium sized lumps when teething, as does a slightly older friend of his we saw today apparently. Finger food fine, smooth food fine, favourite risottos and pasta gets the bleurgh treatment fconfused

I received two parcels from quiche members today thanksthanks

Passmethecrisps Wed 04-Dec-13 20:41:41

I am spoiled with Christmas hols. My dad often worked Christmas Day - cows don't know it's Christmas. And yes bp you get to call the shots.

I have been told that p is a very big girl. I think people lose all sense of what that means. It's like when we were pregnant and ransoms would comment on bump sizes. On the flight to our hols when p was showing off one lady asked her age and sucked in slightly before saying nicely "she's a wee one, isn't she? Perfectly formed though" I suspect she actually knew what she was talking about.

Glad you are having a good time at work isles.

Think DH has stress related gout. Bizarre

PurplePidjin Wed 04-Dec-13 20:43:49

Hi, livenlet I've gaffa taped the tree to an upturned giant bucket, so far not much interest give it time

Passmethecrisps Wed 04-Dec-13 20:44:02

kyz sometimes p will eat like a horse and other times she rejects almost everything. I have actually, genuinely learned not to worry about it. Weirdly I think she eats much less now than she did 6 weeks ago. I can only presume she was growing.

Passmethecrisps Wed 04-Dec-13 20:45:01

Hello livenlet!

No tree here yet but I can guarantee that it becomes just another thing to climb/pull/eat

BigPigLittlePig Wed 04-Dec-13 20:45:50

Between cat, puppy and F, our tree stands no chance.

6 days and counting btw shiiiiiiit

PetiteRaleuse Wed 04-Dec-13 20:54:05

kyz LO often ignores dinner in the evening. More often than not she'll then have a pre bedtime snack of bread and cheese, but sometimes she isn't hungry. I guess their appetite fluctuates depending on their calorie needs at that time, much as we do.

piggy yanbu

Sending more hugs to horsey's E who is still in hospital tonight.

I have never worked at Christmas but did pull an all nighter when working in the City on new year's eve. Most of our contracts were renewed on 1/01 and it was a busy time. Good atmosphere though with plenty of champagne from 3pm until breakfast on new year's day. Was appalled when I moved to France and was expected to work boxing day - not a public holiday in France. It is in Lux though. Phew.

ValiumQueen Wed 04-Dec-13 20:56:42

Put the tree on a high cupboard. Problem solved, providing they cannot climb up the cupboard.

J has been walking all around the lounge all evening like he has been doing it for weeks. Before tonight it has been three or four steps, but tonight he even broke into a little jog.

Evilwater Wed 04-Dec-13 21:04:39

Hello all, I'm here for an hour. What would you like to know?
So much has happened, I don't know where to start.


BigPigLittlePig Wed 04-Dec-13 21:09:09

<pulls up a chair and passes round brew and wine>

Tell all evil

Passmethecrisps Wed 04-Dec-13 21:10:55

<passes chocs>

Firstly, how are you?

How is N?

How is the house?

Evilwater Wed 04-Dec-13 21:18:44

I'm ok, I've not burst into tears, or shouted and screamed. I've just got on with everything, and I'm starting to smile again. Feels so werid. I'm very busy all the time.
I'm finding it difficult when I drop off N, cause P is still the nice looking guy (with extra weight) and he's finally making an effort when I drop off N. Of course when I think of all the things that have happened it makes me sad that I Went along with it.

N behaviour is getting better. He's not so clingy, and is starting to eat fresh fruit and veg. Not much, but it's a start.

The rented house, is nice. Pics on Facebook. Went through loads of electric on my key meter the first night here.


Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 04-Dec-13 21:22:32

Ooo yesevil full update please.

horseyhope things are ok. Thinking of you. And you misslaugh your poor old ear. Hope you start to feel better soon.

I gave the boys a lasagne tonight that I had bought from a lovely deli yesterday. I assumed it would be ok. DH, fine, DS1fine, but O's skin round his mouth went scarlet and really angry looking. It is sensitive at the mo, a bit of teething rash but it looked awful. This has only happened once before when I made a lovely pasta sauce out of tomatoes and marscapone. As I stick toms in loads of stuff I really don't think is them, and he has homemade tom and lentil soup come to think of it, loads at SILs. I can only think is marscapone, but why just this and no other cheeses? Does it have a different make up? He is ok, has died down. Maybe I should make that pasta sauce again and see what happens.

I have never had to work Christmas day. grin unless you count, cooking, referring the kids! clearing up and general hostessing.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 04-Dec-13 21:25:45

That sounds all positive evil obviously his behaviour was having an impact on N. So, does having a key meter mean you notice how much Electricty you use more?

Evilwater Wed 04-Dec-13 21:27:20

Of course your all invited to have a nose around.

P wants to see n twice a week, and have him for all of the day. But I don't think he can cope with n. His house is clean, but very sparce in furniture. I have asked the lawer for us to try mediation. P keeps asking about maintance, and I need to ring the CSA. P always pleads he is poor, but I know other wise. He says in his texts that he only needs to pay £45 per week. Do I believe him, nope. As he says he will pay £63 per week. Hm.......

Anything else?

Evilwater Wed 04-Dec-13 21:28:14

sophia yes it does! but it also costs that little bit more too.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 04-Dec-13 21:30:03

Do you feel like you have got yourself back? I remember the best feeling was the freedom to be me.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 04-Dec-13 21:31:03

I thought that it was more expense on a key meter. You will need to be really careful.

Fb Photos look great btw.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 04-Dec-13 21:31:59

Oh bp YANBU. Xx

Zamboni Wed 04-Dec-13 21:34:09

evil sounds like you're doing brilliantly.

BP my friend has gone home now so fx things have stopped. I was wondering why she ended up at a hospital in your town when she lives somewhere between me and evil, both with v big hospitals . So I guess my Q was does your hosp have some specialist unit for these things or was it likely to be a bed availability thing?

Hope horsey's E is better soon.

I made a leek and bacon gratin thing for dinner tomorrow from random bits in the fridge and it smells quite nice. V early start though as at a course in Bham tomorrow. It's a faff but around 4 hours on the train gives me loads of reading/snoozing time!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 04-Dec-13 21:37:07

Probably related to NICU beds zamboni.

Evil great to hear you're feeling more like your usual self again.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 04-Dec-13 21:48:51

Ooo how weird I am doing a leek and bacon and potato thing tomoz. What are you going to have with it? Or will you eat it alone?

BigPigLittlePig Wed 04-Dec-13 21:54:20


Christmas pressies for mid-teen girls, who have everything under the sun already. Me and dh struggle every year, and this year is no exception confused

PurplePidjin Wed 04-Dec-13 21:54:42

Yay evi thanks

Sleepy owl, wakey owl or winking owl? Quick I'm nearly done!

PurplePidjin Wed 04-Dec-13 21:58:04

BP nail varnish or make up. Teen girls can never have enough. Also wash-in-wash-out or spray bright hair colours.

Lily311 Wed 04-Dec-13 22:03:39

iTunes or new look vouchers.

Lily311 Wed 04-Dec-13 22:04:08

Winking pidj

Evilwater Wed 04-Dec-13 22:06:14

I've not even started on Xmas shopping, eeeeeekkkkkkkkk


FlouncingIsles Wed 04-Dec-13 22:11:50

I have all of M's presents. Nothing else. All other Christmas shopping will be done after I get paid on the 20th hmm. I currently have £3 in my account... hmm hmm

flouncymcflouncerson Wed 04-Dec-13 22:19:46

Most of the kitchen is done. It needs some electric work done tomorrow and the plumber too. Can't get a painter until 18th dec so pics would be silly until then I think.

yw I'll see what we come up with when we sort the clothes. Most were hardly worn as he fattened up like a prize turkey! Is there anything in particular you need or want? Posting a large bundle may be an issue as I fear I may go overboard and fling anything that'd fit your j at you!

Also pass and isles I have everything DD ever wore too near enough so if you'd like any girly things then by all means let me know what size and what you'd be after! I'd rather things go to someone I know as opposed to randomly dumping them at a charity. I'm only saying to haggisy people to save on postage costs as I figure we could do some sort of meet up?

evil good to see you're settling well

bp I understand your Xmas thing and don't see why your MIl can't understand that. I'm probably glad I'm off sick as I'd do a 16.5hr night shift if I was working Xmas. All our on calls are that long unfortunately. We work 4.30pm til 9am the next day. Great fun!

YellowWellies Wed 04-Dec-13 22:24:24

Hmmmm jumpers, vests and babygrows are always useful oh and jeans if there are any? But equally he's not short of anything yet so don't go mad smile xx

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 04-Dec-13 22:25:59

pidj an awake owl

I have all my xmas shopping bar my mum. Started the mammouth task that is wrapping them all last night. I was very surprised not to hear that DH has yet to get me anything and asked me what I wanted! I am the only person he has to by for. I've asked for a fancy food processor. Oh the joy hmm

chasing hope your london trip went well today.

Um....minds gone blank. I've eaten 2 mince pies tonight fshock

FlouncingIsles Wed 04-Dec-13 22:33:54

Oh flouncy that is so kind, I would love to take you up on that offer.

I basically have no days off between now and end of Feb (but lots of atudying and exams, yay wink ) but would love a weekend haggis quiche mwet if anyone was up for that?

ChasingDaisy Wed 04-Dec-13 22:35:52

Exhaustedly checking in after a completely wonderful day in London smile O had a brilliant time and was an absolute superstar. We got home an hour ago but he fell asleep in his pram at the normal bedtime and is now in his cot.

Will catch up and post properly tomorrow. Off to sleep for me. Night quiche xx

ChasingDaisy Wed 04-Dec-13 22:39:15

Just seen Evil's posts. Well done you, you are doing fabulously! If you need any advice about the key meter or having it replaced for a standard meter etc then let me know as that is my area of expertise smile

flouncymcflouncerson Wed 04-Dec-13 22:41:18

Cool yw I shall see what I find when I got through it. Also isles glad you'd make use of some bits and pieces too. Anything M needs in particular and her size etc?

I'd love a meet but I'm kinda restricted and wouldn't be able to bring j as I can't care for him just now with the whole no lifting heavier than 1kg. I also can't drive for another 3/5 weeks depending on my what insurance says. Apparently some ok after 6 weeks and some after 8.

Lily311 Thu 05-Dec-13 03:12:27

Insomnia kicked in once again.

I think I caught up now but can't remember anything. Our new place needs a lot of work decoration and furniture wise but I simply don't have the money to do it all. It's a 4 year old building so it can wait easily. I am way behind of everything, need to study, need to unpack, I find it's impossible with O.

O is going through the screaming and not calming down stage, she gets so wind up. I hope it won't last. She is cruising everywhere but no intention to walk by herself.

I made a photobook yesterday, I had one of those credits to make one on photobox and I can't wait to see it. I made one of Leo previously and this one was from pregnancy till 1st birthday. Managed to put over 300 pictures in it, I find that I don't look at pictures if they are not in an album.

I will put this on Facebook as well but can we say if we received our ss? Mine went out already and don't want to worry about it, just want to know it arrived.

Also pls tell me which car seat did you go for? I need a second one and will try to grab a Xmas sale bargain. My sister in law wanted to buy a £10 second hand car seat for O in her car but I told her firmly no and that I get a seat for her if she insists on having one in her car. They still have the narnia car seat in their cars for my 2,5 year old nephew, it was withdrawn last year.

My Xmas shopping is done courtesy of Amazon delivering to Hungary. I will pick something up for my parents in ikea on fri.

Court case today, pls send me good vibes at 12.15 uk time. I need the judge to put that bloody stamp on the paperwork and allow me to get the birth certificate for O.

And evil I am so so proud of you. The house looks great!
flouncy I hope the recovery is going well! thinking of you.

PennieLane Thu 05-Dec-13 05:07:37

I've been to a couple of independent shoe shops and they all said no shoes before 1, but as M started to walk at 8 months, I chose to ignore it! She's been steady from the start so I'd disagree eatly walkers are less stable. She climbs slides the wrong way up so she's still pretty stable, but only has three words and is nowhere near as chatty and vocal as most on here and I think she'll be a late talker. All so different!

PennieLane Thu 05-Dec-13 05:09:21

I wonder if it's staying at home and not going to nursery makes her less vocal? She must be pretty bored of my face!

Zamboni Thu 05-Dec-13 05:38:58

Prob salad sophia.

Day in London sounds lovely chasing.

I am up waiting for taxi and S is still asleep! Unheard of!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 06:38:41

bp the NOW whatever number it is we are on now cd. What did you want? I think I probably wanted clothes actually or clothes shop vouchers. A hollister top might go down well. Or a light feminine "first perfume" like Anais Anais.

<runs back up the thred to catch up>

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 08:13:29

Bonjour la quiche!

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 08:14:32

Bonjour. Ca va?

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 08:34:31

Oui merci, et toi?

ChasingDaisy Thu 05-Dec-13 08:42:46

Bonjour PR!

Ou est le piscine? the only French I remember from school

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 08:49:29

Moi aussi. Ce que vous faites aujourd'hui?

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 05-Dec-13 08:51:44

good idea re ss lily I'd like to know that mine has arrived safely too. I leave the house at 12:15 to take DD1 to nursery so will send positive luck vibes to Hungary on my walk. Really hope it goes ok for you.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 08:53:49


Today we are braving the gales and going up the hill to commander someone's tractor to take a ginormous piece of granite stone down to the stone people who will split it and polish it and engrave the number of our house in.


I am going to town to family group.


I am going to the post office to collect post.


I will come home and light the fire and cosy up with my boys.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 08:54:29


ChasingDaisy Thu 05-Dec-13 08:54:29

Hoping the Haggis quiche members (and Stunt & Sophia too) don't get swept away in the gale force winds forecasted today!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 08:54:47

Ha I was going to piss you all off by doing the day in French but this is much more important: if you want to let me know when secret santa gifts arrive then i can message the sender if for some reason you don't want to put it on facebook smile

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 08:56:30

Ooh yes bonne chance with the wind. Tiny bit of northern france is on weather alert for flooding. I assume the wind will be here in a couple of days but often it's done its worst already in the UK and holland and is more of a breeze by the time it gets here.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 08:58:35

Thanks chasing.

I was musing earlier actually. When I was reading the weather warning info it said winds would be 80 to 90mph and we have been warned not to go to the beach or next to the sea confused or whatever. Anyway I thought that these are the same strength winds that there was in Oct that bit the south of England and there has been nowhere near the same amount of news coverage.

I will only go to the gown that is to the east of me as the road town to the west runs right along the sea wall and sometimes they shut it as the waves crash over the road bringing debris. shock

Love this weather when I haven't got to catch a flight.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 08:59:12


Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 08:59:54

Ffs town.

Give up.

I might do the whole day in Sophia typos.

ChasingDaisy Thu 05-Dec-13 09:03:01

I'm going to annoy you all later by telling you the story of my day yesterday in great detail grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 09:04:25

That won't annoy us I can't wait!!

I think the reason this storm is so bad is the coastal flooding expected soph something about worst surge in years, but i think that's more in the East of Britain.

ChasingDaisy Thu 05-Dec-13 09:06:03

Radio just said that there is risk of flooding in the east. A few counties near me are on flood alert. I must admit that the only reason I heard about the winds was because of announcements at Euston last night. Far less media coverage when it doesn't involve the south of the country it seems.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 09:08:48

I lied, I just looked on the bbc website, there is news coverage!

Can't wait to hear about your day chasing xx

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 09:36:26

Have just stuck my thumbs together with superglue.

Happy Thursday smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 09:40:17


PurplePidjin Thu 05-Dec-13 09:44:03

Morning brew

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 09:44:37


Oh dear. Well on thankful thursday you can be thankful for whatever unsticks superglue.

I'm thankful for my freezer, and for the woman at Toyota I just phoned who was very patient with my longwinding way of explaining why my car needs a check up. I'm not good at cars in English let alone French. Am also thankful for a good night's sleep and that both girls are so happy when they arrive at nursery every morning.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 09:44:57

Ok so the triple glazing just wobbled. shock

flouncymcflouncerson Thu 05-Dec-13 09:47:50

It's very windy here but I can't see why some people aren't taking their kids to school etc. It's Scotland we are used to wind and rain! Am I a cruel mum sending them to nursery? It's 5 mins away!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 09:59:10

Nope, not cruel. I guess some schools may have closed just in case? Or people are worried about it getting worse? I'd take mine in even in heavy snow. In fact for a good few weeks sometime soon there will be heavy snow. I'm more wary of strong winds but it'd have to be pretty strong to stop me taking the girls in <cruella>

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 10:39:19
YellowWellies Thu 05-Dec-13 10:40:19

Transport Scotland are advising to stay off the roads and stay indoors due to the risk of flying masonry (chimney pots and stuff) and falling trees. DH can't get to work as the Forth Road bridge is closed and J and I can't go swimming as there are no trains running in all of Scotland. Duvet day it is then! Wish we'd got wrapping paper in the house as I could get cracking wrapping presents confused

StuntNun Thu 05-Dec-13 10:48:12

I'm sitting in the car in Lidl car park as J is asleep and the car is rocking from side to side in the wind. It's an S-Max ffs, it weighs 1.7 tonnes! It sounded like a tile or two came of the roof last night as well. Still at least the bins were wedged in tight and didn't blow over.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 10:53:11

My, full to the brim, wheelie bin blew over. So I wedged it. And it blew over again. So I picked it up to move into garage and it blew over again, into me. So is in garage now. I have just been up the hill and it is crazy, some twat is on their roof as something has gone awry. I couldn't watch.

YellowWellies Thu 05-Dec-13 10:57:28

A huge horse chestnut has just fallen into my sister's garden. Nowt damaged, and as she has a wood burner she's rather chuffed at the unexpected free firewood! The winds are dying down here now. It sounded amazing last night. I confess to being smile that we are in a stout stone house on a street of similar houses not in our old rickety windswept cottage on the island (one field back from Scapa Flow)....

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 11:06:30

Wow. To wobbly s max. Wow to horse chestnut firewood.

Just bough the empty recycling bin up from the road. An expedition in itself.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 11:18:22

Nothing lovelier than the sound of weather doing its worst. When you're safe inside of course. Wind, rain, thunder, love it. When i was little I would sometimes go and sit in my mum's car on the drive in the rain. Such a lovely sound.

I also love that when there has been a big snowfall you can tell before even opening the shutters. Everything goes so quiet.

flouncymcflouncerson Thu 05-Dec-13 11:38:01

It's completely calmed down here now. I have an electrician in the kitchen and waiting on the plumber coming now. Hopefully they don't get in each other's way!

YellowWellies Thu 05-Dec-13 11:38:28

Woo yes I love that muffledness and the weird glow you get even before you open the curtains. The temperature has plummeted here. Snow soon? grin

Jonas has just spent half an hour opening the drawers in the spare room, climbing in and sitting, waving and dancing at himself in the mirror grin

flouncymcflouncerson Thu 05-Dec-13 11:39:17

I've also just climbed into bed to rest up here outta the way. I've been staying upright for too long and gravity isn't pleasant just now so taking advantage of the fact I can snuggle into the duvet. Dh is here so will see to the tradesmen and come get me if I'm needed.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 05-Dec-13 12:02:03

I can't believe how windy it is here. Much worse than the day there was supposed to be a storm. I'm still walking to take DD1 to nursery. its not like that will blow away hmm

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 12:14:05

flouncy when is your post op check? flowers

ChasingDaisy Thu 05-Dec-13 12:19:53

My arms nearly got ripped out of their sockets as I was trying to control the pram in the wind shock

I want to cook a vegetable omelette tonight, with mushrooms and courgette. I am terrified and therefore clueless about cooking with eggs after a food poisoning incident a few years ago. Can anyone kind give me a basic recipe I can follow? grin

Chasing DP cooks a mean omelette and he uses a Jamie Oliver recipe, there's one here that might do well for you?

Tell us about your trip to London!

Feeling rough today but the ear spray is helping slightly with the earache. O has had a horrible nappy this morning (and two yesterday according to mil) but has scoffed one weetabix, two slices of toast and a bowl of fruit so far today so I'm not worried about her yet.

Meant to say so much more...

ChasingDaisy Thu 05-Dec-13 12:41:59

I'll write up my London trip tonight when I have the laptop. I want to record it properly so I can tell Oscar about it when he's older. Thanks for the link smile

Passmethecrisps Thu 05-Dec-13 13:17:31

Hell's teeth.

Gales+misinformation on local radio advising of school closures+snow+1700 teenagers = total and utter chaos!!

Passmethecrisps Thu 05-Dec-13 13:21:59

Chop some onions.
Fry them lightly
Chop mushrooms and courgettes
Fry them for maybe 10 minutes until nicely cooked
Mix up eggs
Add whisked eggs to frying pan
Cook until the edges are solid
Pop under hot grill to cook the rest

This is more of a frittata but same idea and easier in my opinion.

PurplePidjin Thu 05-Dec-13 13:25:44

shock at the wind, there's barely a breeze down here although i think it's heading here in the next day or two.

I am the meanest mummy ever sad R was falling asleep in his lunch, went down nicely in his cot but - as he does when i let him get over tired (he refused a morning nap in the sling) - woke after 20 minutes. So i let him cry (shout, there's a difference to his hysterical something's wrong cry) for 30 minutes till he went back to sleep sad it was the only way, if i go in he expects to get up and dp's got the car sad horrible PidjMummy sad

Ooh, wind is picking up..

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 13:54:13

What do you buy nursery staff for Xmas?

PurplePidjin Thu 05-Dec-13 14:59:58

Well it clearly worked, he's been asleep for an hour and 40 minutes - 2 hours total today. That's nearly an hour longer than when he has 2 naps fshock please don't be a nightmare for granny tonight

Pikz, salt dough hand prints, or plant a seed in a yoghurt pot for each worker in the room?

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 15:00:08

Want omelette now! Haven't gad one for ages.

Apparently we are due snow. According to the woman in Asda,so I am not sure how reliable that forecast is. fhmm

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 15:02:10

One year I just for them all a bath bomb from lush and bunckphed them up in tissue paper with nice ribbon, put all together in a box for them to pick their own. Looked v pretty.

flouncymcflouncerson Thu 05-Dec-13 15:09:43

pr I haven't got my date through for post op appt yet. Supposed to be 6 weeks from op which would mean Xmas day of they were going by 6 weeks exactly!

Having yet more kitchen nightmares. Electrican has gone, DH has paid him, yet he hasn't got my oven and hob working!! WTF! He claims power is getting to them but doesn't know why they're not working. Makes no sense to me as I can see fused spur unit for oven has no indicator light which implies to me no power! He's trying to blame my dad for disconnecting the cooker originally but all dad did was remove fuse. Weird! I'm so angry as DH didn't even come up and get me so when I was asking DH what was up he didn't really know. He thought it was just hob not working. I asked what the guy had said or pointed to when talking and he said they'd been in living room. Why wouldn't you go into the room the work was being carried out in and see what he was talking about!!!! Oh I'm so angry!!

Plumber is here now and he's a friends dad so should in theory be fine!

StuntNun Thu 05-Dec-13 15:15:59

We had snow at lunchtime Sophia but it's back to heavy rain.

Chasing I sometimes finish a frittata off under the grill to get the top cooked. While it's still in the frying pan cut it in half to see if it's cooked. So long as there are no runny parts then you'll be fine.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 17:18:02

I have found the missing stacking cup! grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 18:48:14

Tumble weed.

Passmethecrisps Thu 05-Dec-13 19:02:06


Passmethecrisps Thu 05-Dec-13 19:02:33

Oh! My ss arrived! Woot woot!

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 19:03:57

Thank you PP and Sophia

Flouncey I can't wait to see the kitchen and hope the electrics are fixed

Today I channeled my inner Sophia and have loved being at home, out walking and making fruit flapjack and cooking with L.

It just took 3 days back at work.

He's walking properly now :D

Passmethecrisps Thu 05-Dec-13 19:07:18

Nice one on walking pikz!

And flounce, what a lovely offer! I would love to take some things off your hands if you are looking to get rid. P grows so slowly that I get bored of her clothes!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 19:11:37

Anyone with older kids know if there is a growth spurt at 2.6-3? DD1 is troughing. Got in from nursery and demanded milk, then cheese, then bread, then more cheese...

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 19:17:28

It's random this walking. He's been doing it 4/5 weeks but tonight it just clicked and he's walking everywhere and trying to run!

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 19:18:12

It's random this walking. He's been doing it 4/5 weeks but tonight it just clicked and he's walking everywhere and trying to run!

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 19:19:28

It's random this walking. He's been doing it 4/5 weeks but tonight it just clicked and he's walking everywhere and trying to run!

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 19:19:59

Sorry sodding app crashinghmm

FlouncingIsles Thu 05-Dec-13 19:28:08

En route to OOH sad

No wee since yesterday lunchtime and d&v. Poor wee soul. sad

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 19:30:00

Oh no. Sorry to hear that. D&v is a bugger.

ChasingDaisy Thu 05-Dec-13 19:30:56

OK, O is in bed, chores are done and I have my hot water bottle and a cuppa. This might be long and boring but I want to record yesterday so I thought I would do it here...

So, me and Just Friends Guy took O to London yesterday. It was pretty much brilliant from start to finish. When we got on the train there were no seats so the conductor kicked someone out of their seat in First Class so that me and O could sit down grin I was sat next to a lovely lady (who I reckon is a MNer) who told me all about her 2 and 4 year old and the fact that they didn't walk until 15 and 19 months respectively, which was quite reassuring. I also learned a lot about her birth experience with them both and now feel I know her more intimately than is perhaps appropriate

Anyway, we went to Nandos for lunch when we got there and O charmed the waiter who served us, watching him wherever he went and smiling at him. The waiter then dared to actually speak to O, who then burst into tears grin Poor waiter felt terrible.

Then we took him to Hamleys which he loved (And yep Eliza, waiting for the lifts was a nightmare!). O kept holding his arms out for JFG to hold him instead of me grin hmm He doesn't do that to anyone else, so it was lovely to see. I don't think O would have noticed if I wasn't there to be honest. JFG is sooo good with O heart meltingly good making sure he was warm enough, wiping his nose, playing with him etc. Oh dear, I totally love him.

He had an hours nap in his pram while we walked down to the Southbank and woke just in time for the aquarium which he LOVED! He laughed hysterically every time he saw the rays and was fascinated by everything. Finally, we walked along Southbank, looked at the Christmas market and drank mulled wine while O fell asleep bang on his normal bedtime smile

It was such a lovely day. Made me very happy. JFG actually hates London but he knew how much I love it there at Christmas so I massively appreciate him taking me there did I mention I love him?

Piccies on FB.

ChasingDaisy Thu 05-Dec-13 19:32:15

X-post. That sounds horrid isles, I hope she is OK and they can get some fluids into her.

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 19:34:00

Hope you are both ok isles.

Sounds lovely chasing

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 19:35:38

chasing that sounds lovely <warm feeling inside>

Zamboni Thu 05-Dec-13 19:40:11

What a good day that sounds chasing.

isles hope M is better soon.

Hope all ok for haggis based quichsters.

Bloody long day, train delayed, only just home in time for bedtime to see DC.

YellowWellies Thu 05-Dec-13 19:53:40

Isles oh no! Poor M no wee since yesterday lunchtime wah. Hopefully its just been hidden by diarrhoeal nappies? Blind optimism? You must be beside yourself. Get well soon M!

Chasing sounds lush! Yey for JFG and yey for rays.

I've still got a cracking sore throat and headache and am contemplating going to bed when J does. sad

Got the HV tomorrow for his one year check. I wonder how he'll weigh in / measure up as he always weighs more on the HV scales than the paeds. Straw clutching much? hmm

Passmethecrisps Thu 05-Dec-13 19:58:23

Poor wee M! Hope she is well soon isles

And you yellow! Get yourself to bed!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 20:07:25

yw flowers have the hcps expressed real concern about his weight?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 05-Dec-13 20:16:32


I am thankful for omeprazole. Which meant I had to wake my still soundly asleep baby girl at 7.20 this morning. And woke up in my own bed next to my dh and had a morning cuddle smile


Isles I hope M is ok, and you too, of course. Must be very worrying - like YW said, hopefully the small wees have been hidden by big stinky runny poos? FC for her xx

Flouncy sorry to hear things are still, erm, delicate. And angry for you about the electrician, sounds v frustrating. Is he coming back at all?

Stunt shock at wobbly cars. It's only been a bit blustery here today, not a lot of leaves left on the trees anymore.

Lily ((((hugs))))

For the first time this year, am feeling a teensy bit excited about Christmas now. It's taken a while, as have been v gloomy about working. But am almost tempted to get the tree up. Every year, a mobile Santas sleigh goes around the streets of our town, playing Christmassy songs and with actual Father Christmas sat on the back waving, to raise money for the kids hospice. Tonight it came past our house grin Sadly F had been asleep for an hour already so missed out, but can you imagine how excited she'll be next year!?

Thanks for the suggestions re: presents for DNs, so difficult.

Ooh, and the dog cage arrived today! And an instruction manual for puppies grin

YellowWellies Thu 05-Dec-13 20:18:22

PR we're seeing the paed every six weeks - so I think they're pretty concerned. You don't get appointments that frequently on the NHS unless they're worried. He eats like a horse - everyone comments on how much he eats - he's just not growing. He's grown 1cm since August sad

ValiumQueen Thu 05-Dec-13 20:23:21

Yes YW they are concerned clearly, but he is not a prize marrow! He sounds as if he is doing everything right, but is just wee. Are you worried?

J had his MMR and has just done a sodding great poo so back soon x

BigPigLittlePig Thu 05-Dec-13 20:25:06

Has anyone else not had the 1 yr check with hv? I haven't bothered/got in touch, as I've no real concerns....

YW must be a worry for you. At least he is happy, and chatty, and mischievous and all those other lovely things. Just diddy with it.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 20:32:31

Update on horsey's E. Didn't mention yesterday but one of his tests was a lumbar puncture. The good news, fab news is he tested negative for meningitis. He is still in hospital, temp more stable and less sickness. He has even been up and playing. Good news on the whole, fingers crossed he's on the mend.

ValiumQueen Thu 05-Dec-13 20:35:16

No check here BP. Jags went ok, although had to wait 1.5 hours in a room full of vomiting kids. Needless to say he stayed on my lap and was not happy. I was not having him crawl on the vom covered floor, but other mums were letting their LOs do it!

I was hoping to see the Dr before the jags, but was called in by the nurses first. The Dr called his name just as I was leaving. Nothing from the Paeds yet, so I had to explain everything, without telling him he was wrong all along, which was very hard. He then said he wanted to reduce the Omeprazole and stop the formula. Twat. Anyway, I explained again, and he left things as I wanted, but said he did not want J to be on meds and formula for ever. I said neither did I, I didn't want him on either in the first place, and said that until I put the dose up 4 weeks ago he was still not eating. He then asked how I was, and I said I was fine now my baby was fixed. I left the room and burst into tears. I will be writing to them soon, and may swap GPs.

Wind bad here, and snow looked like it was settling at one point.

AngryByrd Thu 05-Dec-13 20:36:37

Hi ladies!

I should have joined earlier. My daughter Isla was born on the 20th of November. She is my second child, first is DS who is now 5.

DD has just spit up lots of clear liquid...very worried as I've only fed her breast milk. Any thoughts? x

AngryByrd Thu 05-Dec-13 20:40:40

Oh my mistake! stupid pregna brain.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 20:42:29

Sorry yw I forgot that 6 weekly appointments with paed was a concern. hmm . That hmm was at the nhs btw, not you. vq makes a good point, how worried are you?

I was tiny, miniscule actually. Height until I stopped growing at just over 5ft but weight until I left Paris at 27! One of my siblings is normal, the other three are all skinny or were until age caught up with us I remember seeing dieticians at hospital when I was about 9. Who failed to diagnose that my low weight was genetic and my stomach cramps were made up stress related. The prescription was baked beans grin <still voms today>

Good luck with mmr vq. Our real reactions have been later. LO has a jab next week that you guys do with mmr but can't remember what it is. Looking at the book something called pcv and boosters for Dip and Men and something else. Fun fun.

She's still coughing. Nursery are slightly tense but not worried. Hoping to hold out til paed appointment on Monday. Remind me: no temp, no wheezeing, sleeping ok and keeping food down. But coughing. Just mild bronchi bastardness right? Oh, colour normal but shadows under eyes. Am hydrating her, lots of wet nappies. Doing everything right?

ValiumQueen Thu 05-Dec-13 20:42:56

Hi AngryByrd smile No thoughts, sorry. Been a long time.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 20:44:46

Wrong year angry ? Vvv good DOB though, I'm sure Isla will be a fab person ;)

Some clear liquid on occasion is normal. They digest the milk and just vom saliva sometimes. Worth checking out if signs of dehydration or if it happens alot.

ValiumQueen Thu 05-Dec-13 20:45:39

You are doing fab PR. And yes, I am expecting the fallout from the MMR on day 6 from what everyone else has said.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 20:46:13

Definitely swap GPs vq if only to give yourself a new start.

ValiumQueen Thu 05-Dec-13 20:47:09

I have forgotten where I put DHs Christmas present. Everything else is under Js cot in a zip up Ikea thingy, but his is too big. Fucksticks.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 20:48:35

Thanks vq. Yes days 6-9 or even up to 21. Tonight he should be knackered and will have stiff thigh tomorrow.

ChasingDaisy Thu 05-Dec-13 20:51:48

O's MMR is on 18th Dec...Merry Christmas to us! hmmgrin

YellowWellies Thu 05-Dec-13 20:53:16

I wasn't particularly worried but as other folks are - I am now. I know they're considering CF or a heart condition as his lips often go blue. Also he has very soft joints - when he tries to stand his ankles keel over. But I have hypermobility syndrome (double jointedness) so it could be linked to that. My sister has always worried about his high muscle tone being cerebral palsy but she's even more of a worrier than me. Which I'm sure it's not. But something may not be right with his growth. Both DH and I had super fast metabolisms maybe it's just that as my GP thinks. I just wish he wasn't smaller than my niece who was 3 months prem and born a 2lber at the same age confused .

PR thanks for updating about E. Glad to hear he's playing x

Hey Byrd! smile

BigPigLittlePig Thu 05-Dec-13 20:57:14

I cancelled Fs MMR, it should have been on Wednesday - but couldn't face it after all the illness/reflux. Shall give it a month then get it done, when hopefully her tummy has settled down.

YellowWellies Thu 05-Dec-13 20:58:55

BP good plan give her chance to get on an even keel and avoid reflux hell with a new pup!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:01:11

Glad you had a nice day pikz fsmile

Well, O decided today was the day he would walk. Just after tea while I was trying to clear up he did 3 or 4 steps. Then he did it again. Then every time we tried to stand him up To do it he would buckle up and start giggling. Monkey.

We survived the 500mph winds today, only the heavy thing holding down the manhole cover that a lorry ran over and squashed got picked up and somehow moved by the wind. Oh and the bins, but secured them In The garage. Oh and me, I got blown around quite a bit. Why always on day one of clean hair? fconfused

Your day sounds perfect chasing I love the picture of O and the Ray. I am so glad you had a nice time. Am a little bit envy of a city visit pre chrimbo . Am taking when I can plan a veg omelette into my menus!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 21:02:29

I'm assuming his heart has been checked yw ? LO saw a cardiologist at 2mo because of a murmur but it's gone now. Did weaken her the first few months and some people have murmurs lifelong. I don't know anything about CF but I think one of tits DC has it iirc, so maybe worth pm'ing her for a chat (someone correct me if wrong quiche member).

As I say I was a weak little thing. Walked late too. I believe I stood at 14 mo.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 21:03:06

Stood ie holding on to stuff. DBro was even later.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:04:22

Gosh yw I hadn't really grasped all that was going on in the background. I hope your appointment goes well tomorrow, will be thinking of you. Xx

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 21:04:57

That pic of O and the ray was the best baby pic ever grin

Glad you didn't get blown away soph

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:06:55

yw try not to compare to others! they are all different. In my ante/post natal group for DS1 there was a girl who had twins and they hit all their key milestones at different times and were completely different characters.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:07:15

Gee thanks pr fsmile

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:07:27

I thought you might all be worried there.

ValiumQueen Thu 05-Dec-13 21:07:41

YW if they think it is something that serious, surely they should have tested for it by now? It sounds to me that he is like you and daddy. A bit wobbly on the joint front, and able to eat like a horse and stay waif like. Try to look at your lovely boy rather than the numbers. Easier said than done though.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:09:08

I thought yw and mryw were just wobbley because of all the red juice hmm

ValiumQueen Thu 05-Dec-13 21:09:27

Yes Sophia. Glad you didn't get splatted against your triple glazing grin

ValiumQueen Thu 05-Dec-13 21:10:06

I thought it was weed wink

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:10:19

grin ooooweeeeewwwww imagine the mess.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:10:34


Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:10:55

Too much gardening yw

ValiumQueen Thu 05-Dec-13 21:11:02

Of course Chasing, pics of babies and rays are great, but what about a pic of JFG?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 05-Dec-13 21:11:45

Would leave a nasty smudgey splat sophia grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 21:11:54

More wise words from vq ^

Sorry soph that sounded sarcastic. On thankful Thursday I am thankful that no quiche members got blown away, although stunt sounded like she might. Are you ok stunt ? grin

ValiumQueen Thu 05-Dec-13 21:11:55

PR could you please tell J he should be exhausted as he ain't listening to me!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:12:26

I though exactly the Sam, I was peering careful to see if he might be hiding....like Wally, I. One of the pictures.

Disappointed sad

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:14:23

Oh nopr I took it in the caring and thoughtful way In which you meant it! Don't worry pls.

isles how's things at OOH?

People of Facebook keep asking me to play pass the f parcel. I do not want to pass the f parcel. I want it to stop with me.

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 21:15:23

Glad to hear improvement for horseys E.

Ooh we had a bad night last night...exactly 6 days post jabs!

YW I am sorry to hear of much worry. I was and am very wee too. Only in late 20s early 30s did I put on weight but am very short. He is not a prize marrow and he may just be a wee one. Big hugs xxx

PR you are doing all the right things...we still have snot, mucus on upper chest and for now clear lungs...I feel like the broncholitis could be back any second.

Well done O fairy!

VQ your doctor sounds like a dick. Glad you were a lioness.

BP yay for sleeping through!!

Errr better go back and read through and see what I've forgotten.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 21:17:35

vq maybe you should go pr for tonight wink

Pikz Thu 05-Dec-13 21:18:00

Can we have a Celtic count to check no one blew away?

J go to sodding bed....your mother needs a sit down.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 21:19:04

There is a fucking wasp in my living room. V slow and am about to electrify it but wtf? The dog is stressing out, he is so scared of them since he got stung in the summer.

YellowWellies Thu 05-Dec-13 21:25:51

grin thanks all! I'm usually wobbly from whisky and white wine. Daren't do weed anymore (haven't for years honest guv) as it'd just have me wanting a ciggy! envy envy envy envy

He is fine in so many ways - so active, v jolly, incredibly affectionate (if I lie on the floor he races over to climb on me for a cuddle and snog), fascinated by books and anything with wheels, but he's just wee with spindly sparrow legs. It's sooo hard to fatten him up without the easy wins of cheese, yogurt etc.

As for the 12 month check - the HV contacted us at 13.5 months to arrange it. So give em time and they'll be in touch. I thought we'd been forgotten too!

ChasingDaisy Thu 05-Dec-13 21:30:21

JFG took most of the photos so he isn't in any of them I'm afraid! grin

YW I also didn't realise how much has been going on behind the scenes regarding J's size. All I can say is that I have always been small. It's just the way I'm built. Can't put one weight for the life of me. Hopefully J is just the same smile And just look how happy and gorgeous he is grin

FlouncingIsles Thu 05-Dec-13 21:35:04

She's fine. Little sod wee'd in the car, otherwise we would have been blue lighted to a&e. She is v dehydrated so been given rehydration sachets and told to bring her back if no better in 24hrs. She is so withdrawn it's horrid.

Haven't caught up yet. Sorry. Will try later, up to my eyeballs studying finance and tax law right now...

YellowWellies Thu 05-Dec-13 21:44:25

I hate it when they're withdrawn - Jonas got like that with reflux and it made me so sad to see him knocked for six and in pain. I hope she bounces back quickly. Good thing P is home with her rather than her being with a CM as its best to keep her away from other kids for 48 hours after the D&V stops as these things spread like wildfire. Poor love.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 21:51:52

Glad to hear that isles she'll bounce back quickly once the d&v stops and she is rehydrated. I remember DD1 coming home after a week in hospital all waify and weak. The next day I was trying to keep her calm as per instructions and two days later she was chasing the dog in the fields. Despite many bugs since you would never guess she'd been so ill.

ChasingDaisy Thu 05-Dec-13 22:03:04

Yep Isles, when me and O both had the vomiting bug a few weeks ago, he was over it within 48 hours, whereas it took me almost a week. Resilient little buggers.

flouncymcflouncerson Thu 05-Dec-13 22:06:23

I have good news, the oven and hob work. My DH is just a twat!! Dad came round to have a look and asked about fuse that he had taken out and showed DH where it was etc for electrician to put back. Turns out DH didn't show electrician this and he had found another fuse out and thought that was the one Dh meant. It was not so crisis averted.

However, there are a few snags in the kitchen. I'm not sure who's fault they are so not sure what can be done?! Or of I'm being overly picky?! The oven has a scratch on the handle, it's quite big and noticeable as my light hits it. I thought at first it was silicone but it's not. Also a smaller scratch on the front. In one of the cupboards there's a random hole cut but not used for anything, a part of the worktop a screw has come through slightly on the underneath of a cabinet which means the white frame is split slightly. Also my dishwasher won't switch on, I reckon the spur behind it is off which will mean having to take the kickboard off and move out dishwasher as I chose not to have a spur above the worktop as it'd have ruined my feature wall! Erm....I'm sure there were more. Oh yeah there are holes in my plastering which is annoying but easy to fix as they'll just be filled when it's all painted if my painter ever gets home from New York in a few weeks. The filler plinth at side of fridge freezer is raggedy at the edges and there's a scratch on my floor but I'm sure that was plumber , I also think there is a wee drip coming from the new plumbing...do new pipes etc need time to 'seal' I suppose??

Goodness all I do is moan!!!!

isleS hope M is ok?

pass let me know what size you'd need for P

Em....don't remember what else I've read.

chasing London sound wonderful. I've never been and would love to go.

yw I'm sure j is ok but I understand the worry. I figure they'd do some more tests etc if they really were considering these things. Kids are ridiculously flexible anyways and with hypermobility I'm sure that has aggravated things. It's something I worried about with my kids due to my bendy joints.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 05-Dec-13 22:20:56

I would query the scratches flouncy but not sure who with. The rest I don't know. Glad the cooker is working though. V important smile