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November 2012 - The last few first birthdays then we're on to Christmas

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StuntNun Wed 20-Nov-13 23:33:11
Zamboni Thu 21-Nov-13 07:04:44

First to place Mark!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 21-Nov-13 07:48:23


PurplePidjin Thu 21-Nov-13 07:50:17


wellieboots Thu 21-Nov-13 07:56:20

Marking place in hope of keeping up with this onegrin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Nov-13 08:35:16


FlouncingIsles Thu 21-Nov-13 09:31:20


This man is a twat.

StuntNun Thu 21-Nov-13 09:52:55

Feel your pain Isles. I got kicked last night. hmm I don't really know how to feel about it or what to do about it. It wasn't to hurt me but I thought it was a demeaning thing to do.

PurplePidjin Thu 21-Nov-13 10:03:42


Stunt wtaf?!?!?! He kicked you? Like deliberately? angry

StuntNun Thu 21-Nov-13 10:30:49

Yeah, I may be overreacting as it was meant as a nudge iykwim but it just didn't seem appropriate then or now in hindsight. Basically J had a bad night and would only settle on the breast so after a couple of attempts at putting him in his cot I just kept him in bed with us. We don't normally co sleep because DH pulls the covers right up to his nose so there isn't really room for J. So last night I moved my pillow down the bed so the duvet could go across the bed diagonally so J's head wasn't under the covers. But that meant I was trying to sleep on a tiny space of bed and after four hours I was really uncomfortable. So at 5 a.m. I figured it was only an hour until the alarm went off so I put my dressing gown on and went to sleep on the floor beside the bed - the rest of the house is too cold for me to go and sleep on the sofa. Anyway DH was raging at this so he went and put J in his cot - cue more crying - then came back in and kicked me on the leg and said go back to bed. Maybe 5 a.m. isn't the best time to make decisions but I thought I'd rather have an hour's sleep on the floor than spend an hour awake trying to settle J. So hopefully the full story explains why I'm a bit confused about how to feel. DH doesn't physically abuse me so this was out of character and maybe I'm just being overly sensitive. Otoh maybe it's the start of a slippery slope. I feel a bit down over the incident.

Lily311 Thu 21-Nov-13 10:40:41

Hugs stunt. Not sure what to advise other than pls look after yourself. No one deserves violence. Did he say anything in the morning?

PurplePidjin Thu 21-Nov-13 10:43:32

However it was meant, the important thing is how it made you feel. I'd be incandescent at being squashed all night with no duvet then ordered about with his feet! You were doing the right thing for your child, he was doing the right thing for himself angry dp would get the "don't you ever speak to me like that Ever Again" hissed through clenched teeth (after I'd had a coffee and time to get properly angry get my head together)

J needs to be with you at the moment. Dp either accommodates that or he sleeps on the floor/sofa.

FlouncingIsles Thu 21-Nov-13 10:53:52

Oh stunt I don't know what to say. I can see why you are confused though. Ermm, maybe start a diary or keep a log of things like this. Little things as you say at the moment that, hopefully won't but might, start building into a big thing? Big hugs. And sorry you had a crap night brew

I am just silently raging that he is being so damn nice. But then he's good enough that whenever I start to wibble and worry that maybe I am doing the wrong thing, he does/says something that makes me not so silently rage. Twat twat twat.

ditsygal Thu 21-Nov-13 11:17:24

stunt it sounds like he was trying to do the right thing by you, as in wanted you to get some sleep in bed - but didn't see that you had made the decision based on what would get you the most sleep! I would be annoyed if I were you, and def tell him it is never acceptable to kick you even in a nudge sort of way.

It's lovely hearing what all the babies are doing at the mo. F is walking all of the time now, he very rarely crawls. But we have no words what so ever. He did start babbling about 3 weeks ago though so I am not worried (I was a bit before the babbling started!) as he will get there in his own time and its cute to here him babbling away in his own language! He put a square in the shape sorter yesterday but it was a one off. I actually replaced the fisherprice one we had with a caged one as I got really annoyed with it just becoming a box to put things in rather then a shape sorter!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 21-Nov-13 11:31:59

We have an ELC space rocket shape sorter that takes off. He just like pressing the top and hearing "blastoff "

stuntsorry your night was so poo pants. I wonder if what ditsy says is right. He made a thoughtless tired decision and your interpretation was fueled by tiredness. However if he Made you feel like that then it was a snit thing to do. ((Hugs))

Off to my first family session at the childrens centre in a min. Just waiting for the recommissioned bread maker to finish!

Zamboni Thu 21-Nov-13 11:48:40

(((( Stunt )))) Not sure about that. I'd be fucked off if DH did that to me even if it was done with the good intention of ensuring I stayed in bed. You're the best judge of how it really was, but he's been shitty to you before, hasnt he? And YY to pidj - as I am the one seeing to S in the night and having to co-sleep, DH accommodates me by moving elsewhere so I get the best rest possible in the circumstances.

sophia hope it is good and there are some nice people there.

lily well done for getting assignment done.

isles just keep his shit, unforgiveable nonsense in the forefront of your mind.

Exhaust had to be replaced. £200. Not ideal. Added to embarassingly large credit card debt. For someone who specialises in dispensing insolvency advice, you'd think I would have a better grip on my own solvency, wouldnt you? grin Tis pay review tomorrow and I am quietly hopeful after my boss confidentially told me he hoped I would be pleased, and then DD gets her government hours at nursery from April which will help during term time, then we can remortgage in August and hopefully the combined events will improve things. Things are by no means horrendous but we have zero slack for car needing work / unplanned necessary expenditure. Am hoping that these years with 2 in pre-school childcare while still servicing professional development loans will be the most expensive. please do not shake me from this delusion

ditsygal Thu 21-Nov-13 11:58:28

Zamboni you make a good point, to be nice stunt your DH should have got out of bed to let you sleep there too instead of moving your LO.

ditsygal Thu 21-Nov-13 11:59:40

ps. *Zamboni haven't said it yet, love the name change as a ice hockey fan myself (panthers born and bred)

ChasingDaisy Thu 21-Nov-13 12:54:04

Hello new Fred smile

Poor O has another cold, bless him. Tis the season and all that. Doesn't seem to affect him too much apart from a ton of snot and slightly disturbed sleep.

Just had a great driving lesson. Drive home for the first time and used 4th and 5th gear grin

Yep, we have the Fisher Price shape sorter too. I find it handy for collecting up all his small toys at the end of the day grin

Evil, how you doing?

Any birthdays today?

48 hours until date grin

Oops. Smiley overload.

Zamboni Thu 21-Nov-13 12:54:42

ditsy - Nottingham Panthers?! Or Florida Panthers? DH is a Rangers fan but here in the UK we support the Panthers (my DPs live in the midlands, I was born in Nottingham, so we go to games when we can). The DC even have little Panthers jerseys. Nice to have a fellow fan on here. I played field hockey but DH was and is a superb roller-hockey (puck and ball) player. Played for GB in his prime, still dabbles in a local league. Flirted with icehockey and had a trial lined up in the minors in the USA but a severe head injury put paid to that dream. In his head though, he was practically signed to the Rangers, haha.

Cant claim credit for the point I paid - it was pidj's point which I was endorsing grin

ShellyBobbs Thu 21-Nov-13 12:57:04

Blimey, I've been absent on here for so long I don't know who anyone is!

Stunt, hugs.

ChasingDaisy Thu 21-Nov-13 12:58:17

Oh and Stunt, I understand how confused you must feel. It could be the start of a slippery slope, but could also just be a one off error of judgement. Keep a note of it and keep an eye on his behaviour x

PennieLane Thu 21-Nov-13 13:59:08

Hi shelly have wondered how you are!

Can't believe it stunt I would have been incandescent too.

ChasingDaisy Thu 21-Nov-13 14:12:38

Agh I'm trying to fill out my application form for Pointless and I need to say why I stand out in a crowd - any ideas?!

No words of advice Stunt but I think it's a good idea to note down what happens to keep a record just in case. And fab work on the weight loss!

Chasing a smiley overload is fantastic to see from you. Shows just what a good place you are in! grin

So O's referral for allergy skin tests has come through, for her birthday. I know she has no idea but I wasn't hoping to take her to hospital on her very first birthday. I'll make it up to her with lots of cake

And we seem to have discovered that our finger fits right up our nose, and we are practising it lots hmm

I hate questions like that Chasing! This page has some good ideas that you could borrow and tailor to yourself?

ChasingDaisy Thu 21-Nov-13 14:24:54

Thanks miss smile I've got something now.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 21-Nov-13 14:38:57

stunt Why did he feel the need to move J? Bit confused as to why he would do that. And how horrible for you to have to sleep on the floor, and then to top it all off, be kicked! I can understand what you mean about it being more of nudge to tell you to go back to bed rather than an actual kick but still! Completley unappropraite behaviour from him.

Haha jj I have bought E the toot toot garage for xmas. Got it for a bargain price due to christmas bargain threads so if it's crap I'm glad I didn't fork out more. Hopefully it will at least entertain her (more likely DD1) for a while anyway.

chasing Good luck with the app. I hate filling out things like that!

My heating is stuck on. Better than being off as I hate being cold. The thermostat is at 24.5o smile. I'm too scared to turn it off in case it doesn't come back on but I guess I can't just leave it as it is.

Lily311 Thu 21-Nov-13 14:49:06

I suggested that she should write she was stunning but she dismissed it. Or her head is screwed on her neck. Or something similar.

Zamboni Thu 21-Nov-13 14:51:03

hi shelly. A few of us have NC'd. Maybe those of us who have need to update the pinned post on FB.

Poor O misslaughalot. But you're right, she won't have a scooby about the importance of the day. And if she ends up anything like my DD, a trip to the hospital is her idea of a theme park. Loves it.

ChasingDaisy Thu 21-Nov-13 14:54:56

Miss, I know how you feel about the birthday. It isn't the same at all, but I was planning to do something with O and my parents next Thursday (same birthday smile) and they suggested driving to pick up his birthday cake hmm A 40 mile round trip stuck in the car wasn't exactly what I had in mind. I think I'll just plan a nice day for me and O.

Lily311 Thu 21-Nov-13 15:06:25

chasing that's what I had yesterday with O and wouldn't change it for anything. She loved the zoo, loved my wonky cake and loved me blush.

ChasingDaisy Thu 21-Nov-13 15:10:22

I kinda feel like it should be just me and him. He's with his dad on the Friday and his party is on the Saturday. Will be nice to have a day just about the two of us. I think a 1st birthday is about the mum as well as the baby. I am feeling sad that a year ago me and XP were still together and that we should be reminiscing about this time together.

ditsygal Thu 21-Nov-13 16:05:55

Yep Zamboni Nottingham Panthers. I grew up in Notts and my Grandad was a supporter from when they started then my dad used to go with him and when my granddad died my dad started taking me instead so I've really grown up supporting them. Its rare I get chance to go to a game now but still try to occasionally and F had a little Panthers babygrow too (that he has now grown out of!)

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Nov-13 17:07:04

Anyone's LO found a more hilarious game than emptying boxes of wipes hmm ?

Went to pick up LO at nursery this evening and the nurses told me she had spent the day asserting her independent voice. A bit of digging uncovered that they meant she had been a stubborn pita who doesn't like the word 'no' grin

ChasingDaisy Thu 21-Nov-13 17:13:30

Yes PR. Eating said wipes hmm

PurplePidjin Thu 21-Nov-13 17:36:27

Hitting things with other things to find out what makes the loudest noise his percussionist mother's son then hmm you can see the naice helpers at playgroup wince every time he heads for the toy kitchen blush

Have only just noticed this tardis! Has it been there for ages?!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Nov-13 17:47:04

It's just here this week. 50th anniversary Dr Who I think.

YellowWellies Thu 21-Nov-13 17:50:52

No I think it's new for the Dr Who anniversary?

Our favourite game is climbing anything. Especially stairs. And trying to sneak into the shower, unscrew the drain cover and stick his hand down the drain before Mummy comes shrieking! Am seeing the appeal of an over bath shower. Shame we don't have one confused

Damn Not on the High Street emails - have just spent too much thanks to them blush but that's all the kids in the family sorted smile .

YellowWellies Thu 21-Nov-13 17:52:07

Nice try John Lewis - I'm wise enough not even to open your email! grin

ChasingDaisy Thu 21-Nov-13 18:30:57

I luffs NOTHS. Luckily I can't afford to shop there this year grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Nov-13 18:34:45

Final call for secret santa smile

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 19:03:44

<jingles bell for secret Santa>


P's favourite things include:
Whipping wipes out of the packet
Stroking aging pussy
Walking round and round and round and round
New fav - sharing her dummy with me.

We do the dummy sharing thing too. O finds it hilarious if I have the handle in my mouth and then lean over to put the teat in her mouth. She opens her mouth to take it but then giggling gets in the way grin

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 19:07:20

Other favs include

Chucking all things out of cot then crying for their immediate return. This is happening right now
Nicking my pencil case out of my work bag and hiding it

fruitpastilles Thu 21-Nov-13 19:19:34

The cot thing is a fave of S's. Her other favourites are emptying her bottom drawer and running (crawling) away from me as fast as she possibly can shrieking with delight and stopping every second to turn around to make sure I'm chasing her.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Nov-13 19:31:32

One of my kitchen cupboards is a safe place. Full of plastic salad crap and plastic cups so I can pretend to get mad when they empty it. They get the fun and as I don't react with the other cupboards in the same way they don't bother.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 21-Nov-13 19:55:42

Fecking teeth. I haven't had to eat tea one handed for a while!

Birthday cake looks VERY homemade not in a good way

Fave things here -
lobbing stuff out of the bath
chewing shoes
opening and closing doors again and again and again
holding a ball in her mouth and crawling around mooing

YellowWellies Thu 21-Nov-13 20:06:36

Jonas loves it when you lay him on the bed and flump down next to him making him boing into the air.

Tonight for the first time he emptied his ikea wooden block wagon of all the blocks and sat in it. Looking vair chuffed with himself. He was delighted when I pulled it across the room. smile

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 20:10:54


P has on occasion parked herself on her changing mat and looked expectant so I have dragged her around while she hangs on falls off

Bed time is a hard sell tonight. Still rummaging around up there. Long periods of silence followed by WHACK WHACK MEH. This usually results in more meeehing as she has flung all things out of the cot and is now bereft.

Think she is trying to force out farts.

ChasingDaisy Thu 21-Nov-13 20:28:26

Cuteness overload on BBC1 right now.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 21-Nov-13 20:28:43

Calpol has worked its magic here, 90 mins late...but she's asleep on me in the lounge. Fail!

ValiumQueen Thu 21-Nov-13 20:44:24

Hello new thread smile

Stunt I often end up sleeping in a tiny corner of the bed to ensure J does not get covered by the duvet. My DH does not move out of the bed either. He is however used to it now, so is a handy bolster to prevent J climbing out that side. I can see that your DH might have been trying to claim the bed back for the both of you, but kicking is disrespectful. Perhaps if you did as Evil is doing, looking back at the threads, it may help to put it in perspective. You know I am worried about you, but you are a grown up and know the situation best. Big hugs.

I have not been in the garden today. It is strewn with twisted metal. The picnic table kept the trampoline down so that is a relief. It was very scary last night.

J slept through!!! Shame both girls were up. Sod's law.

Today I am thankful that I have not seen my boss all week, and the emails have stopped. Another success today as the unions have supported my latest challenge so I think she knows she picked the wrong person to have a go at grin I am also thankful that J has not been sick for 10 days. 10 days!!! That is pretty awesome I reckon.

I am also extremely thankful that my parents are both alive and well. They are 71 and 81. And they are awesome.

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 21:14:19

Phew for that bp! Enjoy your snuggles. Hope she feels better in the morning.

Little miss rumble has now fallen asleep.

I am delighted that you 'boss' has taken the hint vq and that you have had double figures of illness free days!! Woot woot!

I have given your morning some thought stunt and I just feel sad. Whatever his intention was he made you feel horrid. Time and time again it seems comminication - his - seems to be the issue. It must be exhausting. I have said before that you have the patience and pragmatism of a saint so I can only hope he repays you in kind

Kyz Thu 21-Nov-13 21:17:39

Marking place, probably shouldn't bother but doing it anyway

MsJupiterJones Thu 21-Nov-13 21:19:43

Hello new thread smile

Eliza it isn't crap just not as good as I'd thought. L loves it and finds it hilarious when the cars go down the slide. But don't switch on all the vehicles and the garage at the same time without wearing earplugs grin

Oh I like everyone's favourite things lists! L's are:
Banging things together (percussionist Daddy)
Anything musical, shakers or mr drum or toot toot garage wink
Dancing to above
Putting things in things & taking them out again
Playing chase and looking round to check I am chasing him
Either of his parents bending over for any reason
Anything he suspects he is not meant to do smile

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 21:29:45

Isn't it amazing how funny they find 'naughty'?

Every morning since I went back to work p has sat at my feet while I do my face and hair. It is weird watching her now as she is already copying. Oh how lessons and learned!

And she now loves actually turning individual pages of books the pointing at the pictures and laughing. She carries around Peter rabbit and gets quite upset if it is taken from her.

YellowWellies Thu 21-Nov-13 21:31:55

VQ is that the omeprazole working its magic? Regardless - yey!

Stunt I agree with what others have hinted, if you read back through your posts I think if it were anyone else you'd see it as emotional abuse. I know you want baby no. 4 but I'm really not sure this guy deserves the 3 he has. Or you my love. If you were younger or less emotionally resilient everyone would be clamouring for you to LTB which I'm not suggesting but he has ishoos sad

Kyz Thu 21-Nov-13 21:32:19

Sorry clicked to post before I had finished! I don't have a lot of time anyway but I have been reading, I know I've missed heaps of birthdays so big happy birthday to you all little quichelets and you too Pr

Ok bits I remember....

Nickname: e is his full name, E, or bean. My mum calls him beanabus, one sister calls him beanest and he is often sweetpea

Stuff he can do... Not a lot, I guess, but I don't worry yet, he can feed himself if hungry but won't if not. He will manage the first bit of a meal fine but not the last bits. He recognises lots of words but says maybe 20? He can walk but prefers to hold my hand, he can sing and dance and dances all the time and he can't do shape sorters or anything but will put things into something or take them out, he has put rings on his ring stacking thing but probably flukey. He waves all the time now but doesn't ever clap unless he thinks I'm not looking. He plays peekaboo and tig, and likes to copy noises, he does an ingenious fake Laugh I need to video for you all, it's fab! He says ta a lot and likes to bring me things and put them in my hand and exclaim ta. This is a brill game. He holds my hand and then places said thing in my palm and says TA with a silly grin. If one more person tells me he is behind I will twat them with something. He's fine I think


hope all non sleeping/poorly babies get better soon sad

There is so much more. I am lucky to be on at all though and better get on with things

Love you much, quiche x

BigPigLittlePig Thu 21-Nov-13 21:36:01

Kyz you numpty - not a lot?! Apart from walking, 20 words, singing, dancing, fake laughs....

Lydiejo Thu 21-Nov-13 21:36:51

It's so fun hearing about what all the little ones are up to. Also I must start using the word "chuffed." That is a good one smile

L is obsessed with wipes. I use cloth wipes in a wipe warmer and am constantly gathering them up and putting them back (unsanitary?) She also likes to suck on them. Other then that she is constantly emptying all the drawers in the house. Sometimes it feels pointless to clean up at all. It is a good thing we have a tiny house. It is very old- built in the 40's for my great grandparents and I can't believe they raised 3 kids here. Anyways I was quite surprised when L started walking because she couldn't even stand in the middle of the room on her own. Now she is practically running.

fruitpastilles Thu 21-Nov-13 21:38:37

Behind?! kyz who on earth is telling you that? That's ridiculous.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 21-Nov-13 21:39:45

I hear you on the mess front. Today whilst I failed at icing the cake, F emptied the books off the bookshop, then moved on to empty every single toy from her toy box, then turned her attentions to the recycling box. DHs face was shock when he came in!

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 21:41:47

Aw kyz he is awesome not at all 'behind'! What rot. P has no words. Not one. Just noise. It's all fine. Their little brains are so busy that the actual outcome might take a while

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Nov-13 21:42:35

I don't know why sucking on wipes is so much fun for them. They are horrible! LO likes to put wipes on her head and waits for me to laugh. I love watching their sense of humour develop.

DD1 has come home from nursery full of dancing on feet. Ie standing on our feet, holding hands and us dancing. Made me well up I used to do that with my dad, one of my vvvv few good memories. I could almost smell him the pub .

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 21-Nov-13 21:44:10

We do wipes. We also like crawling around in wet shower trays blowing raspberries on mummies glass doors and diving straight for the interior of the fridge/ under sink cupboard/ and mummies hair stuff cupboard as soon as opened.

Family group was v good both boys and mummy enjoyed it and met a girl from England who has come here for a fresh start and knows no one.

Kyz Thu 21-Nov-13 21:44:14

E is another wipe stealer! He wipes his own face and tray after food so I ignore that he uses 20 wipes to do so. He wipes juice off the floor too only he has taken to spilling it on purpose then using a wipe! Bit by bloody bit!

I guess so bplp i just hadn't thought about it before just now when I listed it.

I forgot to say stunt I think it's important dh knows how he made you feel. If he genuinely didn't mean to make feel that way I wouldn't be as fussed as if he laughs/doesn't care Etc. I think I mean I would speak to him about it and see what his reaction is then go from there. Dp has once said something in front of someone that I wasn't happy about but when I pulled him up on it he genuinely didn't realise it would bother me and hasn't ever done it since, iyswim?

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 21:46:58

lydie our house is in a permanent state of chaos!

You will learn lots of new words which will become second nature.

If you ever beat yourself up or suggest you are doing anything other than your very best we shall hand you the "quiche fish". We are a "quiche" (iPhone autocorrected clique to quiche once on mumsnet and this a legend was born" because we all had babies loosely in November. And I have no idea where the fish came from.

Who is to blame for the fish?

Anyway, you get slapped with it if you ask or are too self- deprecating.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 21-Nov-13 21:47:35

No one else, by the way, has ever climbed into the Tupperware drawer.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 21-Nov-13 21:47:56

He also climbs into the dishwasher.

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 21:48:35

Dancing on daddy's feet is such a lovely thing to do. I remember doing that with my dad. He would smell of cow shit and grass and brut.

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 21:49:19

Oh give it up sophia. You ^know* you love sitting in there with all your pots!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Nov-13 21:49:23

kyz he is not behind at all. He sounds well ahead actually.

I think a lot of people have skewed memories about how advanced their own babies were years later. I get comments like 'Really? She's not mastered nuclear physics yet, she's only on astrophysics? My LO was demonstrating sound knowledge of the laws of gravity at three weeks but am sure she was working on nuclear reactors by her first birthday' but not that many babies can be that far on so quickly. Otherwise all the average stats and milestones would be wrong. The range for normal babies is pretty wide too, ie not walking at 18 months still falls into the normal range iirc.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Nov-13 21:51:33

Isn't fish slapping originated in Monty Python?

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Nov-13 21:52:06

^ exaggerated the comments slightly but yswim

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 21:54:59

Did I tell you all about potty lady at work?


Well ok then!

Lovely lady at work was telling me all about her grandson and all the wonderful things he does. She added that he does get constipated though. I commiserated and said that was miserable. She said she had no idea as hers were never bunged up because she put them on the potty as soon as they could sit unaided. That was where they were. All the time. Then she said "you'll put wee p on the potty, aye?" I said "no! She isn't even a year yet" (old news - Soz).

Poor lady looked deflated. "Well, ah suppose the rules change, eh?" I felt bad because I could have blathered on about elimination communication and so on to make her feel better but all I could think was p rampaging around with the potty on her head, widdling like a mouse

Kyz Thu 21-Nov-13 21:55:54

I took e to his great grandads and he was asking does he this and that and his great grandads lady friend made it no secret that she though he wasn't doing so fab. When I put him on the floor she said 'but surely he can walk, a boy of his age?' And when I fed him she said 'he'll do it himself if you leave him to it, he should manage well enough at his age' and she kept holding items up and repeating what they were very slowly and when he didn't copy the words she said oh well at least he is a happy soul, it doesn't matter to him if he's behind, my nephew has a backwards son, he's quite the same. As long as they're happy. This all made me quite upset sad dp wasn't there, mil was and she said to take no notice and great grandad is deaf as a post and was taken with e pointing at his buttons.

Then when I took him to get his new shoes (a size six!!!!!!) the lady kept talking to him like he should understand every word. She seemed quite annoyed when I said he could pick his own shoes (she gave me the softest ones to choose from and I said I let him pick his own as I always do let him choose his clothes, always have since he has been able to) and she said I wouldn't bother I'm sure he won't mind he seems quite happy just sitting there. And that upset me too and probably shouldn't. Feels like people expect more from him?

Then sis is poisonous, last week she rang me to tell me my DN had learned how to put washing in the machine and could do little peg jigsaws and I said I was really busy (on a ladder at the time) and could she show me when I next see her and she said 'I thought you'd appreciate the news, it must be so frustrating having e'

Makes me really sad, and I feel a bit lost when people ask me what he says and can he walk etc. I keep saying when he wants to because he does, he is capable when he wants to get somewhere or something

Anyway sad

evil hope you're ok?

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 21-Nov-13 21:56:03

I know pass but some people might think is kinky so I keep it to myself!

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 21:56:38

My MIL is convinced that my DH said the following at 10 months old

"Look at the lovely snow flakes mam. They are like jewels falling from the sky"

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 21-Nov-13 21:58:53

Hahahahahahahaha grin

Passmethecrisps Thu 21-Nov-13 22:01:07

kyz I would like to punch all of their faces. I am sorry you have to hear such ignorance. Because that is what it is. The shoe lady was probably closest to the truth - p would dress herself in aging pussy if I let her. But feeding themselves and so on? Meh. If they do then that is wonderful but if not then also fab.

I know lots and lots of children who don't perform to 'the norm' but are exceptional. And I don't at all mean in a head-patty "look how happy he is" kind of a way. Just that we are all wired differently and preconceived notions of intellect are nonsensical.

I couldn't tell the time or tie my shoelaces until I was 11.

ChasingDaisy Thu 21-Nov-13 22:05:32

Yes to wet shower trays Sophia. When I have finished my morning shower, O clambers in and pulls my hair out of the plug hole envy

He loves being chased also. Complete with squealing and checking to make sure I am still chasing him.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 21-Nov-13 22:11:56

'It must be so frustrating having e' wtf angry

I'd have been very sweary in your shoes kyz at that comment angry your E is fab, and you are fab too.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 21-Nov-13 22:13:05

kyz WHo the fuck in their right mind thought E was behind. Have you read the list of things you wrote that E can do. Jeez!!

And putting things into perspective, when was the last time somebody asked you how old you were when YOU crawled, walked, first said a word etc etc. It means shit. Sorry for mini rant grin.

vq That's fab news on the sickness. Long may it continue. Was just thinking today that E hasn't been sick for a while either. Bet I've bloody jinxed that now.

Hmmm if it's noisy and annoying jj that means E will love it. Me and DH in particular will not!

E's fave things at the moment:
Emptying packets of wipes
Throwing all the bath toys out of the bath (and there are a lot)
Climbing into the dishwasher whilst I'm trying to load/unload it
Standing by DD1'S table and sweeping everything on it onto the floor

Hmm yep, just generally being destructive. Luckily she's cute with it.

Marking place

Quick fish slap for kyz E is not behind at all! He sounds fab. I agree that people remember things differently from when there's were little. It must make you feel shit but try to just smile and nod. Twats grin

I've never cleaned so much, house is almost spotless, just a few more jobs to do. Bloody first birthdays

Some twats fallen against the car tonight and broken our wing mirror off, he said it wasn't him but our neighbour says differently. That's money and time we don't have that we'll need to get it fixed angry

Happy birthday pr, O and anyone I've missed.

Welcome lydie

Loves the FB photo in the drawer! M once got in the dishwasher and today at my parents was trying to sit in the tiny DVD cupboard of the tv stand grin

M's new word this week is boobie although it sounds more like bubby, then she tries to lift my top up. She walks, in fact I can't remember the last time is saw her crawl, says 10-15 words and is obsessed by woof-woofs.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 21-Nov-13 22:16:40

Cross posts kyz. Fucking mentalists, the lot of them. angry on your behalf.

Marking place

Quick fish slap for kyz E is not behind at all! He sounds fab. I agree that people remember things differently from when there's were little. It must make you feel shit but try to just smile and nod. Twats grin

I've never cleaned so much, house is almost spotless, just a few more jobs to do. Bloody first birthdays

Some twats fallen against the car tonight and broken our wing mirror off, he said it wasn't him but our neighbour says differently. That's money and time we don't have that we'll need to get it fixed angry

Happy birthday pr, O and anyone I've missed.

Welcome lydie

Loves the FB photo in the drawer! M once got in the dishwasher and today at my parents was trying to sit in the tiny DVD cupboard of the tv stand grin

M's new word this week is boobie although it sounds more like bubby, then she tries to lift my top up. She walks, in fact I can't remember the last time is saw her crawl, says 10-15 words and is obsessed by woof-woofs.

Oops blush

Kyz Thu 21-Nov-13 22:24:53

Thanks guys smile I think he's fab, he's unique, quirky and his own special little person smile they all are smile I hate how it is turned into a competition. I put the phone down on my sis, I didn't know what to say. I think shoe lady only got to me because of great grandads lady friend the day before tbh.

My mum says e is not your typical baby but I said what's a typical baby? She said very good point.

Fatima, booby is a brilliant word to be saying!

E keeps meowing at people :/

MsJupiterJones Thu 21-Nov-13 22:27:41

Kyz that is shitballs. E sounds amazing and definitely not behind. It is hard sometimes when you feel like other babies are doing things yours can't, sometimes people say that thing about being a walker or talker and L is neither, but I have come to realise that every baby has some things they are 'ahead' on and some they are 'behind' on in the great early learning goals of life! I always say, oh well he has excellent fine motor skills smile

My mum is convinced L is a genius and I find myself saying no he's just average (of course I think he's brilliant but she gets a bit too carried away) - if I tell her he's done something she makes out like he's been doing it for weeks with her. Funnily enough both DM and DMIL think they taught him to clap... grin

Lydiejo Thu 21-Nov-13 22:49:46

Oh my, this convo had me really laughing. I finally understand it Pass smile I was about to ask isn't quiche some kind of egg pie?

Fatima, I was so looking forward to extended breastfeeding. I thought it would be so cute if L could say boobie and lift up my shirt haha I don't know why. Then she up and quit on me a month ago, right before a year too. It was so sad I cried and cried.

I'm still laughing about the "Look at the lovely snow flakes mam. They are like jewels falling from the sky" Sophia. That is too funny.

It is sad how moms get caught up in the competition. I have 4 sisters and I think it would be so lovely to be pregnant at the same time and have close cousins. But then again I know they would always be compared. That is the downfall.

Evilwater Thu 21-Nov-13 22:51:04

Well I'm exhausted, all my stuff is out, but the cat.
I'm so tired......


Lydiejo Thu 21-Nov-13 22:55:55

I'm so sorry for what you must be going through Evil. I hope you sleep well.

FlouncingIsles Thu 21-Nov-13 23:00:39

kyz big hugs. They all sound vile, frankly I think e is wonderful!

YW I remember that storm so clearly, I was on the tail end of it living in the middle of nowhere in Angus totally alone. I too remember drinking a lot and hiding out in the windowless bathroom blush. My journey to school (normally a 20 min drive) took nearly 2 hours the next morning thanks to all of the blocked roads and fallen trees.

M can't really do as much as the rest on here, but then I need to keep reminding myself she is a lot younger than most of your babies. She can, however:

- Eat like a pro. I am very impressed with her eating skillz.
- Crawl.
- Stand unaided and skirt round furniture. I am sure she would be walking by now if it wasn't for the furry shark...
- Say a handful of words (dad, mumumum, A (aulay), grandad, rara/laura, ta
- wave goodbye to anyone and everyone. Except me.
- Pull out my changing pouch from my handbag and presenting me with it when she needs changed.
- Seek out anything expensive (iPhones, jewellery, tablets...) from anywhere. Particularly guests' handbags. And hide them. hmm

Actually written down like that she can do quite a lot. I feel slightly better seeing it like that.

Pass my pencil case is the best. thing. ever. as far as M is concerned!!

I've just wrapped all of her birthday presents except our mummy/daughter diary. I still haven't finished writing this year's entry in it. Her birthday isn't for a couple of weeks yet but I'm unlikely to have time nearer the date.

PennieLane Thu 21-Nov-13 23:46:43

wow, 15 words fatima thats incredible! also dog obsessed here, chases them in the street!

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 05:10:49

Isles aye it was the infamous 'Hurricane Bawbag"! M is over 6 weeks younger than J but pretty much doing exactly the same stuff and much better on two feet than him.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 05:54:01

Good morning all. Why this week has LO decided to go to bed at 9 then have 2-3 naps at creche instead of 7.30-7 then 2 short naps? I don't like it. I'm not a 6 am person.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 05:55:39

And where did that bruise on her forehead come from? She didn't have that at bedtime hmm

Lily311 Fri 22-Nov-13 05:59:18

O can do:

-whining and whinging all day long, she is actually quite a pro at it
-wave, clap, row
-sing but not in tune and she only knows one word per song which she keeps repeating over and over
-throw a ball than make me go after it
-open and shut cupboard doors

She woke me at 5.30, thanks for that.
I need to sort out one year of her pictures, got a photobook voucher but need to use it till the 3rd of December.

Pikz Fri 22-Nov-13 06:19:41

tardis til I can catch up!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Nov-13 07:42:41

Another grim night. Have a pounding head and feel vair envy. F of course is full of beans.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 22-Nov-13 08:21:45

Big hugs bp xxx

Zamboni Fri 22-Nov-13 08:30:59

BP brew for you.

evil hope it was ok and XP wasnt difficult. You are very brave, and very strong.

sophia that made me properly LOL.

lydie a quiche is a pastry based savoury dish involving eggs, yes. Lovely actually. VQ is a big fan. You must shout if there are other things that don't make sense! Sounds like you come from a big family, do they all live close to you?

MsJJ my DM is the same. To hear her, DD and S are the most advanced DC on the planet. Ever. Lovely that she feels that way about them even if it is bonkers. And kyz yes, they are just their own lovely little people and perfect the way they are. Even if they don't do x/y/z yet smile.

So lovely to hear what people's LO's can do. S has taken a few wobbly steps but shows no further interest. No words yet. There are some very impressive skillz amongst the Nov 12 babeeeez.

S is basically a weapon of destruction, noise and mess. Loves to bash noisy toys, shriek and shout, empty drawers and cupboards. Can open the fridge and likes to rearrange the contents. He is a tall and strong boy so has a high reach and enough force to open heavy doors like the fridge and managed to push the closed stair gate open shock He can shimmy up and down stairs like a pro, can climb onto the sofa and throw himself back off it. If you ask for a cuddle he will crawl over and give a cuddle. He likes to throw things a lot and has a good arm already - future England cricketer I hope!

But the thing DH is most proud of is that if DH puts dance music on, DD and S "rave". DD jumps around with arms raised and finger pointing, S sits and does the same. They apparently all do this every day at least once. grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 08:38:50

Quiche actually comes from my corner of France too. I'm having aslice for lunch that I just picked up from the baker. Ironically the baker in my area which does the best wuiches is in Luxembourg. Thinking of going to the Xmas market in Metz this weekend. I'm not a fan but I think DD1 will enjoy it.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 08:39:20

The snow has gone though.

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 08:42:39

Zamboni I LOVE the image of them raving!!! You must get them glowsticks or whistles to complete the 90s acid house look grin

ditsygal Fri 22-Nov-13 09:13:22

brew BP

pass I love the image of LO wearing ageing pussycat, F would def wear one of our cats, if only he could get his hands on them for more then a second before they dash for safety. Bless him.
Yesterday he spent much of the day running around after them waving a plastic straw in their general direction like a mad thing as he has seen them play with straws and thinks it is hilarious! I've also had to tie string around the catfood cupboard handles to stop him getting in (I can't figure out the baby locks I bought) as he likes to get their box of treats and shake it manically in the hopes a cat will come close to him. It's sweet really - even if the cats aren't impressed.

GTbaby Fri 22-Nov-13 09:38:55

Stupid app is not letting me read previous posts shock

StuntNun Fri 22-Nov-13 09:43:33

Sorry for bouncing in without catching up but it's hectic here. Our chimney went on fire last night and this morning I got locked out briefly as the Yale lock on the front door had jammed. Fortunately DH got the fire put out quickly and we think there's no damage done. Anyway in brief DH apologised for the incident and accepted that he had hurt my feelings.

StuntNun Fri 22-Nov-13 09:44:10

That's apologised for the kick, not for putting the fire out.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Nov-13 09:50:28

Aw ditsy that's adorable! F lurves the cat, proper chuckles and drops everything when she sees him, but he remains at all times, tantalisingly out of her reach very wise

Stunt shock about the fire, must have been scary. Hope you find a locksmith soon! And of course glad to hear that dh has apologised.

Zamboni err video please! Sounds adorable/amazing in equal measure.

F just wandered over to me whilst I was washing up, with an unattractive odour following her. I had suspected she was a bit constipated. Not anymore hmm. Poonami of epic proportions, requiring immediate hosing down in the bath. She'd only been in her clean clothes for 5 minutes the wee horror. Anyhoo, she seems much happier now. Just need to get these teeth out of the way then perhaps she'll decide her cot and sleep are Good Ideas wishful thinking most likely

PurplePidjin Fri 22-Nov-13 09:54:25

brew all round

Unidentified shouting (from R) from 12:50-3:15. Eventually boobed into submission at 3:45. I'd been at work so got 4 hours broken sleep in total (dp got up with him at 7:30 but of course i heard that plus occasional squeals of delight from down stairs)

I feel horrific sadbrew

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 10:08:16

grin @ boobed into submission. Sorry for the bad nights pidj and piggie

Loving the cat stories. I showed DD1 what fun can be had pulling a ribbon around for the cat to chase earlier this week. Tired them both out.

Shame I have to probably get said cat pts, am still putting off calling the vet blush

two addresses missing and then Secret Santa will be launched. If I haven't received them in a couple of hours a couple of you will have to wait for addresses but will do teh matching anyway. Expect pms this afternoon. I mean PMs. Not pms, even my spreadsheet doesn't have the power to curse you with pms.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 10:13:05

Dr Who people: go look at the google.co.uk google doodle smile tardis

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Nov-13 10:18:01


It's times like last night I wish F could still be boobed into submission lol. Although suspect she would have bitten me, the mood she was in. We're currently watching peppa pig and eating a biscuit. The cat is going bonkers for reasons that are unclear.

ChasingDaisy Fri 22-Nov-13 10:20:45

Ah bugger, I'm gonna miss the Dr Who tomorrow evening! sad

PurplePidjin Fri 22-Nov-13 10:29:50

I haven't done a night feed since early September, so am feeling drained and ravenous which obviously didn't help my sleep at all. We're having a cbeebies morning, my folks have passed on a huge rug 8 months too fucking late to protect R's head from the wooden floor so I've rearranged the furniture a bit and R is rampaging happily while dp and i stare blankly hmmconfused

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 22-Nov-13 13:30:18

zamboni that's fab. I love a good ole bop with glowsticks!

stunt shit it all sounds very scary! glad Dh manned up and apologised.

Very excited about secret santa too. I've done all my Xmas shopping so will be nice to buy something else. I dont watch dr who so can't join in that excitement I'm afraid.

ChasingDaisy Fri 22-Nov-13 13:34:47

Ooh I've got my Secret Santa email. grin

PurplePidjin Fri 22-Nov-13 14:13:36


My electrics tripped out this morning. One nice sparky later, I'm minus an oven till Monday and using the camping whistler to boil water hmm at least the heating's back on!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 22-Nov-13 14:34:36

Woop woop, got mine too grin

Zamboni Fri 22-Nov-13 14:34:44

Got my SS email - so exciting!!!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 14:38:54

OK, everyone should have received their secret santa email now, either here or on facebook. If you haven't, let me know, if you need any further information, let me know (and I will ask the oracle spreadsheet or, failing that, the recipient of the gift).

Happy ho ho ho'ing.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 22-Nov-13 15:12:31

Hoorayyyy I have got my secret Santa too. Now am I buying for the mummy or the baby or both and is there a budget or is it whatever we like?

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 22-Nov-13 15:13:30

Oh ok, I just saw fb.

Lydiejo Fri 22-Nov-13 15:27:46

Yay secret santa!!

Zamboni I come from a family of 5 girls, so I guess rather large. All but one lives close by and I actually live on the same street as my parents. We will be moving in April though, since DH will be graduating and starting his career. He actually got a job offer yesterday! But we will see where we end up. Anyways, I love having sisters and am secretly hoping my next baby will be a girl too.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 16:43:37

Two bad tempered girls tonight. Slept too much at nursery. Thanks nursery.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 16:44:20

Congrats on your dh's job offer Lydie flowers wine

Lily311 Fri 22-Nov-13 17:42:24

Well done lydie.

Ok, serious question? Galaxy or dairy milk? You can't buy any of those here and I'm craving a nice galaxy milk bar.

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 17:46:25

Lily Dairy Milk. Every time. Drool....

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 18:06:28
Passmethecrisps Fri 22-Nov-13 19:03:18

Love a woo thread. Not at all woo but love a wee read and manage to make myself thoroughly creeped out in the process

Vair excited about my ss!! I whooped when I got it!

Congrats and good luck lydie

Passmethecrisps Fri 22-Nov-13 19:04:16

And I would have said galaxy hands down. Not a choccie person but do enjoy a wee galaxy. Galaxy caramels are deelish

ChasingDaisy Fri 22-Nov-13 19:14:27

Am I the only person who can't stand galaxy?

Oscar scratched me on the face today and drew blood. Scarface wasn't the date look I was going for hmm

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 22-Nov-13 19:17:15

Dairy milk, or indeed galaxy from the freezer. Heaven.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Nov-13 19:22:42

Gah my baby is broken. In daylight hours she's fine. When the lights go out all hell breaks loose. 50 minutes for bedtime so far, and counting. DH has been dispatched this time.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 19:23:47

I quite like Galaxy caramel but last time I had Dairy Milk I was disappointed. I don't like chocolate on its own in fact. I lie it with toffee or caramel.

What a fucking fortnight and a bit!!

Sorry to bring thread down and moan but.....
Remember on about 3 threads ago I posted about my BFP? That turned into a miscarriage on 9th November. Left hospital and DP says 'well that's a relief' (bear in mind I had stillborn before Zara at 34 weeks gone) could have gone fucking mad but couldn't be arsed to be quite frank

Next 5 days consisted of me staring into space a lot until 14th November (DPs birthday) who didn't get much because I couldn't afford much and moaned

Forward to the 16th and my grandad had a major stroke very unwell and left in hospital. So i go and help my mum (who has emphysema) clear his flat ready for when he gets out of hospital so it's more manageable for him.

Then comes the 17th (Zara's 1st tea party) and only his family come. Not 1 of my fucking family show. Not 1. Ok mum was at hospital with grandad, but my dad preferred watching some prerecorded bike racing, brother played his ps3 cause he 'needed to finish a mission' and my sister forgot?! (I had spoken other 2 hours prior to it starting)

Zara's birthday (18th) and I'm in lots of pain but DP drags me out around to all of his families houses to show them the birthday girl.

Should also mention DP had 2 weeks off work and went back this Tuesday. Just got my house back to normal an hour ago. Pissed off...I'm not sure completely why but maybe you could help me to see a reason why im so fucked off?��

PurplePidjin Fri 22-Nov-13 19:28:15

I had a mars bar yesterday, but would kill for something decent (it was the best of a bad lot in the tuck shop at youth club!) I'm still wary of caffeine although I'm almost certain R has grown out of his ishoos. I'm trying to diet though sad

PurplePidjin Fri 22-Nov-13 19:31:05

That's a very long list of people you have to accommodate, Charlee, and a very short one of people accommodating you thanks I'm sorry for your loss thanks

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 19:40:20

charlee that is a lot to deal with at once. flowers rant as much as you need to we are here. After a mc your hormones drive you mad and on top of that and dp not reacting in the way you may have expected... Plus the rest with your granddad. V hard. Give yourself time to rest, grieve if you need to. Normal to be pissed off. In a few weeks you will feel better. I hope Zara enjoyed her birthday.

Rant, we're here.

Lily311 Fri 22-Nov-13 19:43:50

Hugs charlie. Rant away. We are here. I'm so sorry.

Lydiejo Fri 22-Nov-13 19:49:18

Speaking of chocolate.... Hershey's anyone? grin

Charlee I'm so sorry for your loss and the crap you have been though lately. You have every right to be feeling any sort of emotion including anger. You are probably pissed because you have been through an awful lot lately and cleaning up after people is the pits. Hoping you will feel better soon.

Thanks ladies smile

Don't suppose is helps that DP also wanted a puppy from my mums litter back in July. She's now 20 weeks old and doesn't stop pissing and shitting all over the house. DPs dog so DPs responsibility right? Wrong confused

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 20:00:57

Is hershey's some American thing wink ?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 20:05:14

charlee no, not dp's responsibility angry but for your own peace of mind now your's. I'm sure the doghouse can help, if you have a thick skin, but 20 wks isn't too old. He'll need puppy training classes though and you will need advice and the time. A project to help you through the next weeks? Could that work? Is he a nice pup otherwise?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 20:05:47

The no not dp's responsibility was sarcastic btw

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 22-Nov-13 20:13:12

Love a Hershey's.

wine charlee and hugs. And chocolate.

BrocklesSecretSanta Fri 22-Nov-13 20:17:49

Right, my work is done. I need to name change back now.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 20:29:11

Next year's secret santa will ask for email addresses. Wil set the spreadsheet up to just fill the gaps and send on its own. I hope everyone got the messages and that they made sense. I managed ok until 20 in then started to panic that I was giving you your own lo's name etc

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Nov-13 20:40:50

Worked perfectly here PR - still v excited and busily plotting grin DH couldn't understand why I was grinning/chuckling to myself.

52 weeks ago, I was mourning the fact that only snow boots would fit my massive fat feet, about to gorge on mince pies and custard and brandy butter before heading on up to bed for about, ooh, 30 minutes, before my waters broke. And dh asked me if I had wet myself.

Charlee I don't know what to say tbh. The whole situation just sounds like a bad dream. I really really hope things pick up for you soon.

Chasing face-slash aside, are you all set for date day?!

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 20:41:45

thanks Charlee. He sounds a charmer envy what a horrible thing to say after a mc. sad

Ok least of your worries but.... By 20 weeks the pup should be going outside 95% of the time - if he's put the effort into toilet training. He needs to get a move on with the training.

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 20:42:11

charlee so sorry for your loss. I'm not surprised you are feeling the way you are with all that's going on. S's birthday was much the same but the other way round. My family couldn't wait to see her, dp is one of 7 and not one of them even texted him to wish her a happy birthday, let alone saw her.

brockle have you sorted your gift already? That's quick!

S is currently army crawling along the floor, stopping to lick it every so often. I put her to bed at 6 hmm
She has really smelly breath at the moment, I brush her teeth - well as best as she will let me. Any ideas what it could be? I was thinking a sore throat but then thought I'm probably over thinking it and she's just a stinker haha.

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 20:45:26

Hershey's tastes like candle wax. Boak....

Chocolate in the freezer - no no no I don't want to lose my teeth. Chocolate dunked in a cuppa. mmmmmmm

Gosh all you ladies can eat dairy but but but... you're doing it all wrong!!! grin After 10 months off the brown stuff I've got vair fussy.

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 20:47:58

Fruit smelly breath is a classic reflux symptom - has LO's sleep gone to hell in a handbasket? Especially in the second half of the night?

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 20:50:36

Yes yw it has. She has never slept so badly, not even as a newborn!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 22-Nov-13 20:51:26

Another one here with stinky breath. What's the max mg/kg dose of ranitidine? I haven;t weighed F in ages, just keep upping the dose every so often. But she smells of acid and won't sleep and is a clingon.

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 20:59:28

I don't know the ranitidine dose as it only worked for J for a week - sorry BP. J's breath has been all funky and acidic once I was having dairy more than 1-2 times a week. And his sleep went pear shaped. Boo.

Fruit I wonder if S has reflux from teething? Maybe try tilting the cot so the head end is raised?

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 21:00:33

Yes I'll try that, thanks, do you think I should take her to the doctors, or would they think I was crazy for taking her in for smelly breath?

Glendathegoodwitchessecretsant Fri 22-Nov-13 21:01:48

My work is also done grin

Ho ho ho

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 21:05:10

I have a toddler with stinky breath but she's just refusing the toothbrush atm. Any tips? She used to love brushing her teeth.

yw do you really think tis a wind up? The office ghost thing?

Erm. Anyone tested smoked salmon on their LOs? Went down a storm here. Compensated with water but put it this way: 4 slices was everyone's dinner. DD1 polished off 3, LO stuffed a whole slice in her gob then nibbled it til it was gone.

And they've nicked most of the accompanying salad too!

When will we get our lovely evenings back????

Brockle Fri 22-Nov-13 21:05:42

I'm lurking and thought I'd posted by mistake. I'm confused! confused smile off to sort out SS smile

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 21:06:28

I thought she had outgrown her reflux, she only had it mildly and I didn't need to get another bottle of ranitidine once she finished the first. I had no idea smelly breath was a symptom.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 21:08:12

I was wondering if fruit's issue wasn't due to a switchover to cows milk?

Charlee gosh, what a time of it you've had. Take your time recovering from the mc, be kind to yourself x

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 21:09:10

I can't remember bf /ff history sorry.

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 21:10:44

PR I didn't catch the first two threads but there's just too much signal to noise for me. And she really needs to put a camera somewhere without a logo.

Fruit if S is not sleeping it could be reflux pain from teething? There's no harm in getting it checked out.

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 21:11:26

I am switching her over pr yes, doing half formula and half cows milk, actually, she's had a few runny nappies, which I put down to teething, but it could be linked couldn't it?

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 21:13:49

Dp is a cunt aswell. He's up at 4:30 for work tomorrow and has asked me to sleep on the sofa with S so he can get some sleep - neither of us have had much lately. He pisses me off when he says 'but I need to get up for work' - what the fuck does he think I do all day, sit on my arse and watch telly? Needless to say we won't be sleeping on the sofa, cheeky bastard.
Sorry rant over.

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 21:16:30

Get back on the meds and I bet sleep will return Fruit - bad breath is stomach acid and partially digested food coming back up the throat. Sleep at the end of the night is worst affected as acid can pool in the throat all night and the pain is worst at this time. We've had a fortnight of waking at 5 and I'm trying to figure out if its me eating trace dairy or we need to up his meds. If you have just switched to cow's milk I'd maybe reconsider?

Grrr our monitor seems to have lost its sound after a certain bear lobbed it across the room envy .

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 21:18:08

Fruit that makes me think its the cow's milk sad

GTbaby Fri 22-Nov-13 21:19:22

Been slowly catching up all day. So from the random bits I can remember.

Galaxy or dairy milk is good. Infact any choc at all would be great right now. Stuck to sofa feeding.

Baby Whi chooses their own outfit. Wow.
Isle I felt same before writing my list.

Kyz very impressed with your lo

Stunt hope talking about it helped x

Pr thanks for sorting SS

Hmmm I fancy a mars bar now.

H is crazy with a box of tissues. He pulls out pulls apart. And on occasion will try to eat them.
He also likes to bang hard plastic ball on radiator.

And that's it. Can't remember anything else.

Is anyone putting non walkers in "coasting shoes" considering it as H has never worn shoes and I'm worried he won't want to.

ChasingDaisy Fri 22-Nov-13 21:20:57

Fruit, your DP should be sleeping on the sofa!

PurplePidjin Fri 22-Nov-13 21:23:28

Smoked Salmon nicked from grandma's plate is hugely popular here too, PR

I know i promised a hat but I've just started this amazing sweater pattern using a stitch i never knew existed... Erm, Christmas jumper ok? blush or R can have it and I'll knock up a hat next. What's the posting deadline?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 21:29:22

Ok. Am just going to give you what I get advised, don't flame my fat arse, ok? I muttered, with both dds about switching to cows milk at 12 mo. Paed bolloxed my arse with dd1 said ok, if you must, be v gradual. Never got there.

DD2, suggested the same at nursery. Big shock faces and I switched her to a half and half follow on milk that you people don't have or don't believe in. She's fine.

Dairy is a huge step from either ff or bf. most kids will cope. Some don't. Dairy milk is packed full of proteins that some LOs can't handle yet. Follow on milk cuts them out.

<tremors in a corner>

There is a scientific reason that us continental parents give our kids follow on milk until 15-20months. It's partly lab influence but my paed says ( and this is a paed who NEVER gives drugs unless necessary, right up to ordering bizarre potions to avoid pharma based prescriptions) to go from first ff to cows milk very gradually.

<hides under flamethrowers>

So, those of you having trouble going from ff to dairy, maybe look at the follow on for your brand? I know nhs is against it, but maybe try?

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 21:33:18

S has follow on milk pr I didn't realise that was already half and half. She has the cow and gate follow on so not sure if this is the same or not as what you would get there? That's what I have been mixing with cows milk.

PurplePidjin Fri 22-Nov-13 21:33:44

R has leather-soled slipper socks, various soft cruisers and proper hard shoes for when we go to the park. Despite not walking independently yet he loves walking the 30-40 yards to the swings, playing then walking home - all while holding tight to an adult finger!

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 21:34:02

Posted too soon then, was going to say, so if that's already half and half I'm probably overloading her.

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 21:36:47

PR I agree totally. We're not designed to drink moo cow udder milk and the proteins in it can really fuck with their guts when wee - it's a big step and loads of babies at 12 months won't be ready. And can even mess with the guts of the not so wee like GrandadCrisps. Anyone noticing that sleep has gone to shit after switching to cow's milk might be worth considering follow on milk?

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 21:44:23

Yep chasing shouldn't he just. angry

ChasingDaisy Fri 22-Nov-13 21:51:06

Really interesting cows milk chat. O is taking the transition in his stride and I have been quite gung-ho about it. I realise now that I have been very lucky.

In brilliantly shit timing I have now caught Oscar's cold. I shall be a snotty scarface tomorrow hmm

Passmethecrisps Fri 22-Nov-13 21:56:15

<drive by ranitidine dosage>

Usually the maximum dose is 10 mg/kg per day, divided up into 3 doses.

P weighs 6.2 kg
10 mg x 6.2 kg = 62mg per day (maximum)
Dividing this into 3 daily doses makes 20.6 mg per dose
Since Zantac syrup is 15 mg/ 1 mL, 20.6 mg would be 1.3ml per dose

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 21:59:05

Woo Ranitidine maths is tricksier than omeprazole maths [!

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 21:59:28

I bet he won't even notice the scratch chasing can it be covered with make up? Shit about the cold though, I swear by lemsip max capsules, mine only ever last a day or 2 with those - which I realise is no good for you for tomorrow, but might make you feel a bit better.

Passmethecrisps Fri 22-Nov-13 21:59:38

grin just saw grandadcrisp get a namecheck!

"No, ah cannae think oh onnae allergies or intolerances in the femly"

"Och ah canne take butter or milk cus it gaes me awfae sare guts"

That, ladies and gentlemen is a secondary lactose intolerance resulting from and untreated CMPI.


fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 22:01:49

pass I love it when you post the way someone speaks. I just can't help but read it in a Scottish accent in my head.

GTbaby Fri 22-Nov-13 22:01:50

((Charlee big hugs))

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 22:04:36

Oh I was not flamed grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 22:05:51

So can we agree that follow on isn't the devil's work?

Passmethecrisps Fri 22-Nov-13 22:05:59

Who would flame the petite? Cow's milk is hard stuff. Cows have 4 tummies!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 22:07:27

Yes they do!!

fruitpastilles Fri 22-Nov-13 22:08:35

Nope, not in my eyes, S has been on it for 3 months - since I switched from anti reflux milk. I had never heard of there being anything wrong with it.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 22-Nov-13 22:09:52

God I love galaxy. My granddad used to buy me a huge bar every xmas. Then when he died my dad used to. When he he died I got none, until one year my dearest mate remembered and bought me one. I was so chuffed she remembered and ate the damn thing too quickly. I love it dipped in tea. I want some now!

charlee I am so sorry for your loss. What an absolutly awful thing for your DP to say to you. hugs.

fruit Your "D"P should be on the bloody sofa, not you!

Looking forward to a nice quiet weekend here. DMIL is doing an early xmas dinner as BIL and his wife are off to India for xmas. Yum yum. What's everyone elses plans?

chasing Where about's are you going for your date? I know it's London but where about's. Are you just pubbing it or going for dinner? I won't come and stalk you I promise smile I'm sure you'll look bloody lovely cold or no cold.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 22:10:36

Well my theory is fucked then innit grin

ChasingDaisy Fri 22-Nov-13 22:12:32

Eliza, I don't actually know where I'm going grin He's meeting me at Euston then showing me some of his favourite places in London. I've told him that it must include Southbank though smile

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 22:12:39

My plans for the wkd are to escape to city or town or country but to escape. We need a break.

YellowWellies Fri 22-Nov-13 22:19:10

PR were you born in the Year of the Horse? You seem like me, with perennial escape artist tendencies / itchy feet / struggling to find a place to settle/ full of wanderlust! I love it but it's also the bane of my life, ok I've seen a lot of the world but I'm envious of those that settle round the corner from where they were born - for having a certainty in terms of a sense of place. I'm always peering over the next hill, round the next headland, down unknown roads to try to find where I want home to be confused . DH and I are the littlest hobos we've moved sooooo many times!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 22-Nov-13 22:26:31

Sounds very exciting chasing I look forward to hearing all the gory details grin

TheDetective Fri 22-Nov-13 22:56:07

I just slung the steriliser waaaayhey!

And I've got regular stock cubes and honey at the ready!

Being 1 will be awesome!

O has finally learned to wave bye bye. FINALLY. He waved at the TV when waybuloo finished. hmm d'oh! Then he clapped himself. Cheeky bugger!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 22-Nov-13 22:59:48

I think am rabbit or goat yw.

GTbaby Fri 22-Nov-13 23:05:23

Just remembered to check my SS grin excited.

FlouncingIsles Fri 22-Nov-13 23:10:21

Very quick catch up before I FINALLY go to bed. Today has been crap.

Big hugs charlee you have so much to deal with right now. Puppies are impossible, he should really be helping out more with yours.

Urm.. mind has now gone blank. blush

I moved M onto follow on milk (the red tin of sma?) about 2/3 months ago after a mad panic when tescos were sold out of the first one. It is cheaper too and she is coping fine. We've managed a switch to cow's milk with breakfast drink and a wee cup during the day. I will switch the last bedtime bottle after the last two tins of ff run out. This is the only 'bottle' she gets now and I am in two minds about whether to switch it to a cup. hmm

P and I had a massive domestic in IKEA today. It was very embarrassing. I can't even remember how it started, but the reassurance that every time every fucking time I think I am making a mistake leaving, he re-elects himself as prize prick. I think I am beginning to hate him. confused His card was also declined so I ended up paying. Fucker.

Thanks ladies.

What was pissing me off and I've been thinking about it all night and see his points about the mc. To be honest I am over it already. I have learnt to just get on with life when things happen - down to having stillborn and depression before I believe - and he does have the same approach to everything (the let it go over your head aNd not bother you approach)

Perhaps I was having a brain overload with everything happening and being on my own for 16 hours today and tomorrow out its toll on me to have a moan.

I'm normally very quiet and just plod along watching everyone else's life lol xx

Sorry for your loss charlee it does seem like you're supporting a lot of people but aren't being supported yourself. Hope everything calms down soon.

Cuntbadger isles counting down the days til Feb for you.

Detective O's party pile looks awesome!!

chasing you'll have to recommend me some places to visit as we're going to London next weekend.

Interesting chat re. Cows milk, we're still one boob at the mo but it's good to read and take on bored.

M loves smoked salmon and cream cheese sandwiches, she wolfs the salmon down, licks all the cheese then nibbles the bread and throws it on the floor.

I'm excited as I picked up my two new bras today, I'll have a bra that fits and isn't a nursing bra for a change and has an underwire!
Pain in the arse day spent doing last minute jobs and trying to locate a bloody wing mirror unit from the scrapyards as the nob has properly broken it. So why do I feel guilty about pocketing his money that he dropped?

Living room all set up with ball pool, presents, balloons, banners and helium balloons for when M wakes in the morning. Best go get some kip

Hello quiche! grin

Long time no post, I've been so busy it hurts, bug I've been keeping an eye in Facebook. smile

Loving SS I'm going to have to buy something blindly and hope this person likes it.

Erm a list of things J can do..

Hold hands and walk
Wave and say "bye bye"
He says quite a few words, basic, yes/no/pig etc
He does the 'ta game' too and finds it hilarious.
He build towers to climb on high things hmm
He plays peekabo
Dances twerks
High fives

He's generally a little vandal, he empties toilet rolls, growls at the postman and bites. He's still very adorable though.


PetiteRaleuse Sat 23-Nov-13 00:31:07

charlee you can be as pragmatic as you like about a mc - I was v cool about mine - but you can't control the hormones which do control your feelings and reactions to all kinds of unrelated issues. Take it easy, let life be for a few weeks. Things will get better.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 23-Nov-13 01:00:40

Two spiders tonight. A dead one in my toes so walked on in the last 2 minutes and a live one in my nightie. Life can be cruel hmm

Pikz Sat 23-Nov-13 05:00:31

Happy birthday to O, M and my darling L!!!

It's the terrorist birthday day!! Xx

Zamboni Sat 23-Nov-13 05:48:26

Happy Birthday to det's O, fatima's M and pikz's L!

charlee not much to add to what's been said already but rant away here!

S woke up with ice blocks for hands.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 23-Nov-13 06:37:22

Happy birthdays all round to M O and L


Lily311 Sat 23-Nov-13 06:40:12

Happy Birthday to det's O, fatima's M and pikz's L!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 23-Nov-13 07:14:26

I need some quiche wisdom. I did that thing where you think you are ordering single carrots. And you are not. You are ordering bags of carrots. And I ordered 7. blush carrot recipe ideas if you please. Can I Blanche some and out aside ready for Chrimbo.

Anyway. To exacerbate the issue. I thought I was ordering those little pots of ready cut pineapple for DH! He likes them in his lunches. I usually get 4. So I have 4 pineapples. Double blush but I think I can share those around the SILs will have one each and we would eat 2.

chasing I am wild with excitement for you for today. I just hope you have a lovely relaxed, enjoyable day that makes you smile and feel all warm inside. (And I hope your cold is manageable) smile

Evilwater Sat 23-Nov-13 07:32:34

Hi all,
It's so weird having help, I'm having some time to my self. smile I still have half the house to unpack, but my stuff is in. smile

Yes I still have loads to write and tell you, but I'm still recovering.


PetiteRaleuse Sat 23-Nov-13 07:55:53

Morning all. evil good luck with the move.

soph no idea, i put carrots in soup but 7 bags would fester in my garage until I ended up chucking them. I love grated raw carrot with a nice salad dressing though. Which would use up a carrot. <helpful>

LuisGarcia Sat 23-Nov-13 08:09:49

Carrot and Chickpea Salad with Fried Almonds

1/2 cup sliced almonds
4 tbsp fresh lime juice
1 large garlic clove, roughly chopped (about 2 teaspoons)
2 cups packed fresh coriander leaves
1 teaspoon ground cumin
1 teaspoon sweet smoked paprika
1/4 teaspoon cayenne pepper
8 tbsps extra virgin olive oil
Two cans chickpeas, drained and rinsed
1 pound carrots, peeled and coarsely grated

1 Put the almonds in a single layer in a tray in a cold oven. Turn the oven to 200. After a few minutes check they are not burnt (They should gently toast to a golden brown).

In a food processor, combine the lime juice, garlic, 1 and 3/4 cups of the coriander, cumin, smoked paprika, cayenne pepper, 1/2 teaspoon salt, and half of the almonds. Pulse until chopped. Add the olive oil and some chickpeas and process to a chunky paste. Transfer to a large bowl and toss with the carrots and chickpeas. Season to taste with more salt and pepper as desired. Chop the remaining coriander and sprinkle over salad, along with the remaining almonds.

Makes a good sandwich or wrap filling, too.

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 08:10:28

Happy Birthday troublemakers grin

Aww thanks Sophia smile

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 08:21:33

Hi Luis grin

PetiteRaleuse Sat 23-Nov-13 08:24:47

That sounds yum luis

Happy birthdays. I remember last year the collective relief when Detective's O was born smile

LuisGarcia Sat 23-Nov-13 08:30:10

Hiya Chasing. How's things?

MsJupiterJones Sat 23-Nov-13 08:32:40

If it helps, I once ordered 6 crates of gin instead of 6 bottles (it was for work though)

You could make lots of carrot (& orange?) muffins and freeze them. Ditto carrot soup.

PR I shudder at your spider stories. I found a massive dead one on the floor and am still traumatised by the notion that I trod on it. I shake out towels and nightwear because of you (also hats scarves & shoes).

Happy birthdays xx

PurplePidjin Sat 23-Nov-13 08:32:55

Happy birthday babies cake

FlouncingIsles Sat 23-Nov-13 09:24:08

Happy birthday LMO!!

Det, I thought I had bought M too much until I saw O's wonderful present stack!! I am not googling the floral wigwam I wanted to buy her but didnt. Oh noooo grin Hope you both enjoy your party!

I have woken up to a fucked boiler. It is freeeeeeeezing!!!!!!!! sad

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 23-Nov-13 09:35:40


Big birthday love to dets O fatimas M and Pikzs L.

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 09:40:14

Good thanks Luis smile How are family Garcia? Nice to see you popping up again.

I was lurking this time last year and thinking that Det had very good taste in names wink

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 23-Nov-13 09:41:44

Sophia all I can think of is Carrott and coriander soup but I'm sure there must be more inspiring recipe's out there.

evil hope you manage to get some rest soon xx

isles roll on feb. I hope that you manage to get there without hating him too much.

fruitpastilles Sat 23-Nov-13 09:46:09

Morning! Happy birthday to O,M and L!

evil glad the move went ok, I'm so so so pleased for you that you were able to do it.

Hi luis

How are you feeling this morning chasing? Is the cold any worse? Are you excited for your date? I can't wait to hear how it went smile

Evilwater Sat 23-Nov-13 10:18:59

I have some time, so here goes.
The letting agency sent my draft copy of letting conditions, to my house. So he opened my mail and then I left.

He saw n on Monday for 15 minutes, and then left, not saying anything. I've been living at my mums place and they have been wonderful, and it's been cry weird having help. That's when the police came around to take a statement, and they were wonderful.

I got the keys to my new place smile and was phoned work to let them know I would be in on Tuesday.

I was at work all day,

Had my very good friend around my new place and she bought me a kettle, and some stuff. Then I had my benefits check and I was pleasantly surprised. Then it was the evening and I moved my stuff out. P wasn't there. Which was wonderful, also I have too many books! I thanked everyone with fish and chips.

Went to lawyer, and she was very good. I have several choices.
1, I fight to get the house. But I don't think I'll get it.
2, I get my share of money.
3. I try and get more money for my share.

For visiting (for which I have no idea about)
P wants to see nick two days a week, but between Monday and Friday. Not on the weekend. So I've asked her to send him a letter to make sure he doesn't want weekend contact.

Then maintainable payments. It's about 15% of his net income. I have no idea what that figure should be. sad

The lawyer advised to go through the agency's, but I've asked her if we can sort this out amicably between ourselves, if he plays up then I will follow her advice.

Still got lots of address changing to dosad
Plus I'm meeting P at a indoor soft play, so he can see n. I'm not looking forward to it. But I have to try.

Any Adivce welcome,

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 10:48:56

Evil, do you know his income? The CSA website will give you a monthly figure if you enter his income. With contact, definitely get something in writing. Decide how you feel about overnight visits etc. I started with one day a week and after 3 months it went up to overnight at the weekends.

I am on the train on my way to my date. Meeting him at 12. Cold is still there but not too bad. XP said I looked nice and he never gives me compliments so I must look ok.

GTbaby Sat 23-Nov-13 10:58:48

Evil you might also want to think bout your feelings in re to n going to XP alone...
If your not ready yet that's fine. But what will your response be to xp?

Evilwater Sat 23-Nov-13 10:59:02

chasing I have NO idea, sad sad

It's so strange making my own choices. I even have my own mattress. smile
It feels as if a whole weight has been lifted from my shoulders, but at the same time, I'm so tired. Very tired.


ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 11:38:15

Evil, I loved choosing all my own stuff smile This is the hardest part. I promise. It will get easier from here.

Zamboni Sat 23-Nov-13 11:52:29

evil you're doing brilliantly. Let me know if you need any help, am not far away. Or if you want to esacape then you're always welcome here.

chasing good luck for the date. Hope it is lots of fun and lovely.

sophia um, use carrot in everything?!

luis nice to hear from you, that receipe sounds lovely.

Donnadoon Sat 23-Nov-13 12:31:57

Hi everyone smile
Must catch up with Fred, back soon

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 23-Nov-13 12:33:34

evil me and DH had a statement of arrangements drawn up. We agreed everything between ourselves and got the solicitor the draw it up. So who sees who when is all in writing. The only problem is now things have changed ie. I have moved and we have had to agree how and when the girls are with me. I suppose I should get it reagreed but everything is fairly amicable at the mo so I don't see the point in spending the money. If things change that is hw go will do though.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 23-Nov-13 12:35:09

I like the sound of the recipe luis I think I have most of that stuff knocking about.

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Nov-13 14:20:03

Gosh you lot talk grin

Happy birthday to the gang x

Kyz no wonder your self esteem is fragile with a bunch of fuckwits like that around you. E is just perfect in every way.

Sophia that made me laugh, I am sorry grin reminds me of the Winnie the Pooh story with the watermelons. I would just peel and chop them all and freeze in meal sized portions to add to stews etc.

YW it is the Omeprazole working its magic for sure. He is teething, full of snot and has a cough, but has slept through for the last three nights, is eating full meals, and has not puked for 12 days. Fucking miracle it is grin And we have the Paeds on Tuesday. I will ask for allergy testing. Not sure what else to ask?

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 14:36:53

Loo update. He's nice. I like smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 23-Nov-13 14:54:14

Happy happ happy. Great chasing c

PetiteRaleuse Sat 23-Nov-13 15:58:55

There is a town just 90km away from me in Germany with a tk maxx and a primark! Spotted them from the motorway this afternoon. Can't wait to go exploring smile

We drove to a town called Bitche today. From the fortress at the top of the town you can see the mountains in the distance. The mountains are too far for a day trip especially if you leave at 11am but it was nice to see them, though a bit gutwrenching not to be able to go up close.

Drove past a field of camels. You don't see that everyday.

PurplePidjin Sat 23-Nov-13 17:50:58

evi shockthankswine you've come so far!

Carrot batons blanched then frozen in portions?http://caloriecount.about.com/nakd-banana-bread-bar-recipe-r514258 gotta be worth substituting for something in these, maybe the banana? Soup is a good one, freeze in bags so it doesn't take up as much freezer space

Nice day at my folks. After a week of being too busy shopping (yes really) while i battled teething, colds, 3 hour night screamathon, dp getting laid off again, my electrics going bang and R's birthday i went over to bake his cake due to having no fuse in the box for my oven. She'd fucked off out. Came back and was so horrified I'd been abandoned to do everything while looking after R (she assumed dp had him despite my use of the word we 20 minutes before on the phone!) she took over, dealt with both naps and lunch and packed me off to the bath with a book! So i finally feel more human and dp has had a day of laundry, job searching and proper rest smile

fruitpastilles Sat 23-Nov-13 17:53:09

I love tk maxx, we get all of our towels and pots and pans from there.

Another of S's faves that I forgot, she seems to really love pooing in the bath, which she has just done - again. The icing on the cake was when she pissed on the floor in the towel she was wrapped in while I was cleaning the bath out and running a fresh one. She doubled up on me today!

fruitpastilles Sat 23-Nov-13 17:55:33

Glad you have finally had a bit of time to yourself pp it's nice to rejuvenate. My mum is having S for a bit on Friday, I'm hoping she'll offer an overnight!

Lily311 Sat 23-Nov-13 17:58:32

evil not the same situation but that's how I felt when I moved back to Hungary. Like a huge weight shifted from my shoulders but so very tired. I was drained emotionally and I slept 10 hours or so every night for a month. You will be fine and I am so proud of you.

pidj glad you had a good day.

All good here, lots of decisions made. Going to my parents tmrw, O will have a mini party there with her siblings.

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 18:44:29

Update: he doesn't find me attractive. Waiting for my train home. Dating can fuck off.

FlouncingIsles Sat 23-Nov-13 18:45:33

Chasing wtf?! Tosser. Blind tosser.

PurplePidjin Sat 23-Nov-13 18:53:23

Lucky escape Chasing hope you made him pay for your lunch/coffee/cake <bad feminist>angry

R may well be sleeping over with his big cousins when we're up for Christmas. Well, it'd be such a treat for the children wink and sil hosted other baby cousin months ago

Zamboni Sat 23-Nov-13 18:55:43

What an unworthy twat chasing

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 19:00:23

Pidj I'm so glad you got the break you deserve.

fruitpastilles Sat 23-Nov-13 19:09:40

Does he have shit in his eyes chasing? Oh well, his loss! X

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 19:11:21

I'm not attractive. I feel shit right now.

GTbaby Sat 23-Nov-13 19:11:47

This will sound weird. But booby cuddles with A are great. My boobs r big I hate them. Have Always considered a reduction. But watching a feed with his arm over my boob like he is cuddling it is to cute.

fruitpastilles Sat 23-Nov-13 19:15:42

chasing your bloody gorgeous, don't let what one man thinks get you down. There will be tonnes of others who will find you attractive.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 23-Nov-13 19:15:42

Grrrrr. angry twunt.

fruitpastilles Sat 23-Nov-13 19:16:17

That sounds so sweet gt

PurplePidjin Sat 23-Nov-13 19:16:55

Chasing tag me in a pic and I'll get a proper opinion off dp. Pop it on normal fb not the group (fr me if necessary) and he can tell you himself smile

They're doing what they were meant to do GT <end of silly xmas film soppiness>

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 23-Nov-13 19:17:14

chasing sensible head on. What fruit says. One for the journal! Keep going. You are beautiful inside and out. Best not mince words or waste time on people. Move on.


PetiteRaleuse Sat 23-Nov-13 19:41:18

chasing sorry it didn't work out

gt so glad you are enjoying bf'ing smile

fruit am I going to bankrupt myself if I go there? I've only ever been in one once before but you guys seem to mention it a lot. Never been in primark.

fruitpastilles Sat 23-Nov-13 19:47:44

Definitely pr you do get some really good deals, sometimes it's like a bit of a jumble sale though. I swear some of the clothes in there are seconds aswell, dp got some Levi jeans and they weren't the length they were supposed to be. I don't really like it for clothes, more for housey things.

fruitpastilles Sat 23-Nov-13 19:50:26

Primark's ok, I've got S a few things from there, I don't rate it as much as everyone else does but each to their own an all that!

GTbaby Sat 23-Nov-13 19:52:58

Chasing shock dont be down heartened. He means he is not attracted to u not ur not attractive , two very different things. Maybe he could have put it better, but you know what, it's an experience. A story to tell. Pls don't let it put u off.

Pr tkMax can be cheap for some things (grow bags) but (relatively) expensive for others. It's a bit hit n miss. My local one looks like a jumble sale. I like it for house hold things but hate looking through the clothes.
Primark I always go in to find a bargain, but always get frustrated at a) the mess b) the millions of items in just one size.

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Nov-13 19:53:31

Chasing, some people like gorgeous petite blonde angels like yourself, some people like fat old grey-haired birds like me. Just because one person has said they do not find you attractive, does not mean you are not attractive. If I were a bloke, I'd do ya ;-)

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 23-Nov-13 20:05:14

Word vq

GTbaby Sat 23-Nov-13 20:28:26

VQ. Well put. I'd do ya to wink

YellowWellies Sat 23-Nov-13 20:36:20

Chasing I bet he meant chemistry. And let's face it we can't all have that special chemistry with everyone or else the world would grind (ooer) to a halt for one massive shag! Did you feel chemistry for him or are you just sad because he said he didn't for you? One sided chemistry / relationships don't work - you don't want to be the one that loves the other more - that's a recipe for pain.

The one that is for you will not walk by you my love. And you never have to persuade the one that you are worth loving - they won't be able to help themselves!

Jonas is squeaky and miserable today. He nap avoided from 10 am to bedtime and for the first time since he was 4 months old DH has had to drive him round to get him off to sleep sad . He is proper in pain poor lamb. It's either teeth or DH accidentally gave him trace dairy by eating a bloody great choc cake at the same time as feeding him his lunch and not being careful with crumbs. I'm not saying a word as he's beating himself up but WTF I've given up dairy (like nice fookin choc cake) for 11 months and he couldn't wait twenty minutes to eat a cake envy. This is why it's mothers who BF not Dads!!!!

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 20:48:32

I actually liked him. Found him attractive. Thought we were getting on really well. I'm a fool. No more dating for me now. I'm not strong enough to deal with the rejection right now. I'm also not strong enough to be alone right now. Shit place to be.

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Nov-13 20:53:13

You are not a fool Chasing.

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Nov-13 20:54:07

YW it sounds more like teeth to me. What time did the cake get eaten?

ValiumQueen Sat 23-Nov-13 20:54:42

Sorry, missed the lunch bit. See Chasing, I am the thread fool not you smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 23-Nov-13 20:59:44

chasing I think if anyone said they didn't feel emotionally beat up and small and shit about themself by someone saying they didn't find them attractive they would be fibbing or extremely extremely thick skinned

I think you are allowed a wallow.

But you are by no means a fool and you should keep going. yw is right the one Whois for you won't walk by you. Xx

YellowWellies Sat 23-Nov-13 21:19:48

Sophia is right - anyone would feel ubercrap on hearing that but at least he was honest and didn't try and string you along. Give yourself a break to the New Year love. New Year new start xxx

I've just watched the Tony Robinson prog on Stonehenge.... gah I miss the Neolithic landscape of southern England. Fookin wanderlust. Was instantly on Rightmove checking out my favourite places - Glastonbury, Oxford, Bath. Man I have expensive taste and would need to ship down a Scottish Munro or two! grin

GTbaby Sat 23-Nov-13 21:23:26

Project get A to sleep in bedroom day 1. He last 45mins.
I think that is great for first time alone in a crib. For a baby who mainly co sleeps(Desperately trying not to compare to H).

Tbh I'd be happy him staying down stairs with us till we go to bed however fil is back from hospital and he watches tv loudly so no hope of A sleeping down stairs.

But I guess it's good for him to get used to his cot.

Been thinking about sleeping arrangements today. Don't know what is going to happen. Frustrating as a decision needs to be made soon as A is long and will grow out of crib soon.

Anyway babbling.

Question. Anyone wear support pants? And recommendations? blushblushblush

BigPigLittlePig Sat 23-Nov-13 21:52:52

GT lol to magic pants - no idea, but I have a good friend who swears by them - she has some that go from her knees to under her boobs grin.

Chasing ((hugs)) rejections a bugger. So I'm told. But am cowardly and have never ever put myself out there, merely loitered on the sidelines whilst my heart got trampled all over.

Happy birthday (albeit a little late in the day) to M, L and O - looks like they all had fab days. Fs single bday pressie in the corner of our lounge looks very meagre compared to Os stash! But am hoping she lurves it as much as I do. The cake, which came this close [ ] to going in the bin, has been redeemed and looks bloody amazing!! Am dead chuffed with it. And of course dairy free so F can have some.

Bedtime - has gone to shit. But this evening I discovered that her screaming is not distress but is a huge motherfucker of a tantrum at being left shock. Head back, blood curdling screams - but not one single tear. I went back in at 1 minute, then 2, then 3 - was going to string it out to 5 weak willed mummy alert but it all went quiet as she had cuddled up to her bear and gone to sleep. DH is on strict instructions to weigh F on his day off, so we can accurately dose her raniditine. Have given a higher dose again (thanks pass for calculations once more).

Any other quiche babies who share Fs birthday tomorrow?

Zamboni Sat 23-Nov-13 21:56:13

Apologies in advance for a ranty me-me-me post.

Fucking not-so-'D'H and his tendency to tell fibs when caught out. It drives me fucking crazy. He's such a man child sometimes. I've just spat venom at him but he is currently clinging to his bullshit. It's always on such inconsequential stuff too. I asked him if he'd farted. He said no. He obviously had. Apparently because I didn't specifically ask where the fart occurred he wasn't lying as he hadn't farted in the room in which the question had been posed. What a fucking bell-end. I am raging. angryangryangryangryangryangryangryangryangryangryangryangryangry

He just totally fails to accept the fibbing has (a) occurred and ( b ) matters. And always, no matter how fucking obvious, he clings to the lie. Resolutely fails to back down. Grrrrrrr. Knob.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 23-Nov-13 22:03:23

Zamboni I hear ya. According to celebrity jungle (proper facshual) men tell an average of 1092 lies EACH YEAR. Figures.

YellowWellies Sat 23-Nov-13 22:09:33

Zamboni I know the lying matters. But I'm giggling a bit that its about farts... sorry proper immature I know!

Woo actually Chasing if you find someone you can fart in front of - they're a goody!

GTbaby Sat 23-Nov-13 22:12:18

Do u think I could put up a divider in H cot and they take a side each wink

Cradle cap. On eye brows and forehead. What do I do? I'm worried mil will think "hmmm dirty ill wash it off".
Anything home made I can do.

I share Fs bday tomorrow. Happy birthday to us. 24again wink

BigPigLittlePig Sat 23-Nov-13 22:13:45

I try not to fart in front of dh, but sometimes especially since childbirth they sneak out. Actually when preggers, I swear to god F used to kick me in the arse and one would pop out. It is quite funny blush

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 22:14:13

Just Friends Guy has seen me vomity, tear stained & make up free. He didn't mind and takes the piss out of me for it. He's a goody smile

Zamboni, that sounds a lot like XP. Once he had settled on his story/lie he would not be dissuaded from it. Stubborn as a fucking mule and full of bullshit.

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 22:15:01

Try olive oil GT smile

BigPigLittlePig Sat 23-Nov-13 22:15:54

Ah you kept that quiet GT! Have some cake and wine in preparation. I need to go to bed. Nightimes are like russian roulette in the pig house.

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 22:17:02

Or Aveeno. You would think I was paid to advertise the stuff.

Just Friends Guy has just text to say he will pop round on Thursday after work to see O on his birthday. Isn't that cute

FlouncingIsles Sat 23-Nov-13 22:20:13

Aveeno was the only thing that cleared M's cradle cap gt. I caped her in it at bedtime and gently sponged it off the next morning. Completely gone in a couple of days. smile

Zamboni I fucking hate liars but am also giggling about the subject of your ishoos sorry grin. My liar lies by omission. Frequently. Or swears he never said things, that he may have said 2/3/4 years ago. (ie when I first met him he told me he had owned a flat in Dundee a number of years ago. I brought this up when we first started looking to buy about a year ago, and he completely denied ever saying it. Apparently he rented the flat. Liar. There are better (or worse?) examples than that, but that one sticks out sooo clearly in my mind). Anyway, I fucking hate liars.

Big hugs chasing. I'd do you too grin

YellowWellies Sat 23-Nov-13 22:26:10

I've got a barely asleep bear boobed into submission on me in front of the telly. sad Poor sausage he's not right and has a temperature of 39c which makes me think teeth. As does the fact he'll only nurse on one side. He never comes downstairs at night as i don't want him to think coming downstairs and playing is an option after bedtime but if he weren't on me now I'd be sat upstairs on that rocking chair for hours. Erkk tonight might be loooooong.

GT I'd worry about any newborn that had to share a cot with Jonas - he'd smite them / try to poke out their eyes!

YellowWellies Sat 23-Nov-13 22:32:17

Isles cheers for that J has a spot of cradle cap so will Aveeno it. You're not meant to use olive oil anymore as it feeds the fungus / cradle cap beasties. My ex used to lie by omission or just hope I'd forget he told me some bullshit to impress when we first met / to explain him crawling in late / to explain why the rent bounced. You might worry about M missing him but she will only get hurt by his lies eventually. sad

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 22:33:28

Ignore what I said about olive oil GT wink Aveeno cures all.

TheDetective Sat 23-Nov-13 22:47:41

Awesome awesome awesome day. Loved every minute, and I think Oscar did too!

So tired. And so ignoring the fact I am on an early shift in the morning, the house is in chaos and there are still plates of food on the table!

The dog has hoovered up for me. Luckily grin. One less job to do!

Feeling super emotional tonight. In a good way. smile

O still has half his presents to open by the way. Lesson learned. Bought too much. Will try harder at Christmas!

He only realised he had a tent filled with balloons 5 minutes before bedtime!

O is not interested in the wrapping paper. Nor the box. He is, however, very interested in the toy that it contains hmm. Typical of O. Biggest hit so far are the dolls pram and the spinning top. He is enthralled by trying to work it out!

Happy birthday for the morning GT.

And happy birthday BP to F! Your surprise November arrival! The cake looks amazing! I didn't realise how much effort goes in to them!

MsJupiterJones Sat 23-Nov-13 22:53:40

Which Aveeno products do people recommend? L is still having some dry skin patches, possibly eczema (not itchy though). He also has the remnants of cradle cap - is that weird at his age? It is slowly flaking off.

We went to Milton Keynes today to buy a new car seat (successful!) and then to our local Xmas lights switch on event which was really nice apart from the actual bit where they switched the lights on.

ChasingDaisy Sat 23-Nov-13 22:56:04

Aww you were in MK JJ smile where did you go? I just use the big tub of Aveeno lotion - I'll check out the full name of it in the morning for you.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 23-Nov-13 23:17:00

chasing I'm so sorry the date didn't go how you wanted it to. BUT.....I'm pretty sure he meant there was no chemistry rather than you aren't attractive. He has seen a picture of you so obviously he didn't think you were a minger as otherwise he wouldn't have asked you/agreed to go on a date with you. Sometimes chemistry is there, sometimes it's not. At least he was upfront and honest rather than string you along. Don't be so hard on yourself.

zamboni I can understand where you are coming from but I have to admit to having a giggle at your fart tory. Sorry smile

fruit Not a very successful bath all round then!

det glad O (and you) enjoyed his special day.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 23-Nov-13 23:23:31

JJ E still has remnants of cradle cap. It's silly as she never really had it bad. It's just not really gone away. I've not really been doing much to get rid of it actually (apart from using dentonix shampoo occasionally) so I think I might up the anti and try and get rid of it.

Sorry for barging in and not reading the thread first but does anyone know anything about croup? O has had what we thought was a cold this week, runny nose and a slight temperature, but today has developed a horrendous cough. She sounds like a seal which is what is making us think of croup. She went down at 7.30, slept until 8.50 and then cried inconsolably until 11.00 when she finally went back to sleep. She's now coughing every 10 mins in her cot, and kind of groaning after coughing as if to say 'ugh this cough is horrid' but is settling back to sleep after, thank goodness.

Dr Google thinks it should clear up on its own and only seek medical help if it seems to affect her breathing. Anyone know if I can give her anything to help the cough though?

StuntNun Sun 24-Nov-13 00:38:08

What do you do with a crying baby? J keeps waking and crying then eventually will be cuddled back to sleep. I took the mattress out of his cot to try and sleep on the floor with him but he wouldn't settle. Now he is asleep on his tummy on the mattress on the floor of his room and I am trying to sleep on the floor of the landing but I'm worried that he will roll off the mattress onto the floor and I can't put the mattress back into the cot because he is temporarily asleep on it. Maybe I will just try and stay awake in there with him.

LuisGarcia Sun 24-Nov-13 01:05:16

What do you do with a crying baby?

I spend 3 years and counting systematically destroying my sleep patterns. What do you do?

Also, I have a lot of catching up to do. Have some of you changed names? Evil you are a legend. Chasing go easy on yourself.

StuntNun Sun 24-Nov-13 01:12:21

How are the knees Luis? It's good to see you posting again although maybe not at this time of night.

I got J back into his cot, mattress and all and he is still asleep so I am back in bed although I can't sleep. I know there's no solution, we've tried cot sleeping, co sleeping, feed to sleep, cry it out, controlled crying. My last good night of sleep was the evening of 13 November 2012. Since then it has been an endless series of broken nights. J has slept through twice I think but I didn't on those nights. I have asked my mum and DH to deal with him at nights but they haven't been able to give me a break so it always comes back to me. And he's crying again.

LuisGarcia Sun 24-Nov-13 01:28:12

Oh Stunt, poor you.


My knees are better, thank you. Physio and painkillers help, weeks like this where I've been sleeping on the landing floor because J is having nightmares and L is teething don't help. They're up and down, which is progress.

With all the problems J had with speech, he never ever shuts up now. He asked today why Saturn has rings. And L... doesn't have the same speech problems. Amongst other things, she says thank you when you give her something, and "no poo" if appropriate when you tell her you're going to check her nappy.

Lydiejo Sun 24-Nov-13 01:46:44

Okay I'm still trying to get the hang of this. I can't remember a thing I wanted to say when trying to catch up.

Well, happy birthday to the babies! I remember this time last year when everyone was posting pics of the new ones. I think we should repost newborns to see how they have grown.

Misslaugh I don't know much but have had several family members babies suffer through. Fresh air helps. It can get bad and need hospital and breathing treatments. Best of luck.

Fruit L went and pooped all over the tub for the first time a few days ago. Yuck. And yesterday she peed on the carpet. She has had the most awful diaper rash and I was letting her run free for just a minute. All the while dinner was not getting ready and DH was almost home.

I hope all the little ones are sleeping straight through.

Lydiejo Sun 24-Nov-13 01:50:16

Stunt I'm so sorry. You deserve a good nights sleep. You are a hero for getting up all those nights.

Feels weird but after I ranted on here and thought about it all night I was fine. Feel a huge stress has been lifted and I'm not worrying anymore

I'd say that was pretty good going

Love that I can do this when I haven't even been to a meet and not on here as much as the regulars x

Lily311 Sun 24-Nov-13 05:33:31

Happy birthday to littlepig and gt.


ValiumQueen Sun 24-Nov-13 07:30:27

Happy birthday F and GT x

After J sleeping three nights, he had a stinker of one last night. I think it is a combination of teeth and my mothers dumplings. I had indigestion last night too grin

I am so fucked off with DH, but honestly cannot recall him ever lying to me. Sometimes he has not quite given the full story to protect me, but never a barefaced lie. When we met I said it was the most important thing to me, not to be lied to. Fucking hate it.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 24-Nov-13 08:19:37

Morning all. Yes luis there have been some name changes. Zamboni's mum is a gazelle and FlouncingIsles became a MissedMummy until she came back and nc. Then someone who likes to get busy went away then came back as flouncymcfouncerson.

Happy birthday to the piglet and GT. cake

PetiteRaleuse Sun 24-Nov-13 08:28:24

I also dislike lying. My DH is given to exaggerate/bend the truth but doesn't lie to me. So if I ask him how much he's spent at the butchers' and he says 100€ I know it's probably closer to €150. On nights I take a sleeper the morning after he will either say LO slept through, OK, or that he was up every hour with her, which means once or maybe twice during the night. It winds me up but isn't done with malicious intent, just a family trait.

My most recent ex was a real liar. Couldn't stop and you couldn't tell. He really believed what he was saying was the truth. With hindsight I still suddenly remember things he said and realise he was a lying git. I hope karma will kick his sorry arse one day.

fruitpastilles Sun 24-Nov-13 08:30:55

Morning! Happy birthday to pigs F and to you too gt

stunt sorry you had such a shit night brewbrew and you luis nice to hear J is doing so well though, and L smile

I luffs dumplings vq were they worth the indigestion?

What are everyone's plans for today? I think I will have a lazy one today and stop in. Dp will be off to the hospital to see his brother, so me and S will just have a pj day I think.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 24-Nov-13 08:49:54

DH is workin this morning but this afternoon we're going to go to the Christmas market in Metz. There's some kind of fire based entertainment toobut as am under curfew won't be able to see all of that.

YellowWellies Sun 24-Nov-13 08:57:29

Well he was up every 1-2 hours until 3am then slept through til nearly 9am. So we all got one 6 hour chunk. WTAF was that about? Teeth or cake? confused

Charlee am v glad offloading here helped.

Luis what-oh sir!!! Lovely to see you!

VQ boo to the bad night but wow that he is eating dumplings and stuff. Yey omeprazole. I'm gonna buy shares in that shit grin

ChasingDaisy Sun 24-Nov-13 08:58:20

Happy birthday F and GT smile

QQ. O has a cold and is due to have his jabs on Weds. If he's still poorly will I need to postpone?

YellowWellies Sun 24-Nov-13 08:58:56

PR am v envious of the Christmas market. I'm taking J to the Edinburgh one in Princes St Gardens next Friday with my stepmum. I love Christmas markets!

PurplePidjin Sun 24-Nov-13 09:02:15

Happy birthday F and GT cake

PetiteRaleuse Sun 24-Nov-13 09:19:33

Not a fan myself but I hate crowds but the girls will enjoy the lights and atmosphere. Metz is one of the biggest ones around it's quite pretty.

Zamboni Sun 24-Nov-13 09:19:56

Happy Birthday F and GT!

Peace and harmony is restored. He apologised for splitting hairs and told me he knows that being strictly truthful is important and what he should have done. I do trust him but maddening little fibs give me the actual RAGE. If that wasn't clear from my prior post. He 'a also doing general penance by taking the DC to DPIL for the morning.

Glad the fart argument was so entertaining grin

Xmas markets - lovely. We usually have a good international one on the cathedral's surrounds which is vair nice. Looking forward to some of that soon!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 24-Nov-13 09:21:25

Happy birthday GT and F

Chasing I agree that we'd all feel totally shit if we were told that we weren't attractive, especially if you like the person telling you that. It really is his loss. You'll just have to date a few more frogs to find your prince. Next!

We went to the Birmingham Christmas market on Friday, lovely. Bought O a wooden xylophone (are all xylophone's wooden?) for her birthday and some chocolate marshmallows for me grin

Today DP and I have a lunchtime date while O goes to MILs. We're off to see Gravity (love a bit of gorgeous George) and then a spot of lunch.

Back to the world of work tomorrow. Not sure if my brain is up to it...

ChasingDaisy Sun 24-Nov-13 11:38:56

I'm looking forward to taking O to the Christmas markets in London next week.

fruitpastilles Sun 24-Nov-13 11:45:07

chasing I'm glad you said about the jabs being Wednesday, I had it into head it was Tuesday! I don't know about the cold, I think if it's just minor you could still take him, or call in the morning and see what they say is probably the best bet.

miss I'm going to the Birmingham market on Friday, I'm looking forward to a German sausage  and a waffle mmmmm

fruitpastilles Sun 24-Nov-13 12:15:03

Into head = in my head

FlouncingIsles Sun 24-Nov-13 12:55:20

Oooh I am going to have a mooch around the edinburgh market on thursday before I get my hair done. M was 10 days old when we went last year shock

Happy birthday gt and F

M ended up in with me last night. It was soo bloody cold we blagged body heat off each other. confused Boiler can't be fixed until Monday at earliest as they can't source the part. And if that isn't the broken bit they are guessing the whole thing needs replaced. And they think there is a leak under the floorboards somewhere... Fuck.

MsJupiterJones Sun 24-Nov-13 13:22:37

Chasing we didn't see much of MK as we just went to the In Car Safety Centre (we are so rock and roll). Wanted an ERF car seat and had sold some stuff on eBay so we could afford it! They were brilliant, highly recommended. We did see some cows but I don't know if they were concrete. I thought of you while we were there. Oh btw I think jags are only postponed if he has a fever.

Eliza L never had much either, I didn't realise there was anything still there till a while ago when it began flaking off and now it looks a bit patchy. I haven't done anything either up till now.

I would like to take L to the Christmas markets in London this year, he is kind of noticing all the lights and sparkles and loves the music, I saw some brand new expressions on his face when he heard the children's choir yesterday, heart-melting!

L has a cold and woke himself up coughing many times last night so I have much sympathy for other non- sleepers. Then he was awake from 4am-5.30 and couldn't settle. I was knackered. But eventually DH got him back down and then we all slept till.... Ten past NINE! Bloody hell! Completely unheard of.

ChasingDaisy Sun 24-Nov-13 13:38:02

The concrete cows have taken up residence in the shopping centre so chances are those were real cows that you saw smile

O burrowed into me for cuddles when he came home just now. Poor love is poorly. He has had two colds and a sickness bug this past month and my mummy instinct is telling me that he isn't strong enough for jabs this week. The NHS guidance seems to say that they should be given between 12-13 months which gives us until 28th Dec. Will call the surgery tomorrow and ask for them to be pushed back a few weeks. I hope they let me do that without too much trouble but I genuinely don't feel he is well enough right now.

ChasingDaisy Sun 24-Nov-13 13:43:27

Does that sound reasonable/sensible?


PetiteRaleuse Sun 24-Nov-13 13:45:18

You know best chasing smile

ChasingDaisy Sun 24-Nov-13 14:13:29

Anyone around? I gave O 2.5mls of Calpol at 13:15 but have just found out that XP have him 5mls at 09:50. So technically an overdose? Do I need to worry?

PetiteRaleuse Sun 24-Nov-13 14:24:45

I wouldn't worry. Ensure he gets a decent feed and no more calpol til 8 hrs after last dose imo

ChasingDaisy Sun 24-Nov-13 14:30:25

Thank you. 111 did some calculations and said he should be fine.

Pikz Sun 24-Nov-13 16:35:12

Happy birthday GT and little pig!

Luuuuuuuiiiisssss grin

Think we have croup here... To go on top of the broncholitis... Amazeballs

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 24-Nov-13 17:22:37

chasing me and DH did that the other week O was fine. I was going to ask if you were still going to London next weekend. Hopefully a nice time will superseded yesterday.

We have had a lovely weekend. DS1 has suggested that Father
Christmas might bring him a bike for Christmas. So yesterday we went to the local bike shop to " see which one we like so we can ask Father Christmas for the right one" buy a bike we came home and wrote a letter to FC then this evening we have out it in the fire to go up the chimney to him. WhAt Christmas traditions do you have? We are only just starting to create them.

I went to bed at 8:3o last night, was asleep by 9 then didn't wake up till 9 ts morning. DH got boys up and took them out for breakfast. Was amazing grin

Today is our family Sunday. Church then I put the Sunday lunch in, and while it roasted away we went for a muddy tramp around the fields round the house. We are planting it all up with trees to eventually use for fuel and I needed an overview as the forester is coming on
Sunday dinner, holiday pudding, amazeballs I will post the recipe. All perfect.

Passmethecrisps Sun 24-Nov-13 17:48:17


Happy birthday all.

Lovely to see you luis! Your sudden and brief visits give me a really strong image of our quiche dad busily rocking one baby to sleep while singing blackbird, cheering on DS who is chatting enthusiastically while knocking up a 5 course meal all the while keeping half an eye on all of us.

Busy times in crisp acres. We were down in the homeland of Dumfries and Galloway yesterday for my mum's birthday as were my sister, her baby and her partner. We had lunch out then went to visit my great granny. P slept all the way back home so was away until well after 10.

It was lovely to see everyone and it is always nice to see the babies together. Sadly I seem to have succumbed to some sort of bug and have spent most of today sleeping or on the loo.

ChasingDaisy Sun 24-Nov-13 18:22:30

That sounds lovely Sophia smile Christmas traditions that I am going to carry on from my childhood are; Croissants for breakfast, opening stockings in parents bed, a mini stocking on the tree filled with sweets... I'm sure there are others but can't remember right now. And yep, going to London a week on Weds with Just Friends Guy.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 24-Nov-13 18:35:03

Evening all! And especially to luis - nice to see you back with not-so-knackered knees. Although obviously dismayed to see you still posting at 1am...!

Shit night last night, bad mummy cried and shouted blush but dh gave me rage as he said he couldn't settle F as it was too hard and he was tired angry Anyway, she did eventually sleep on me for a few hours after a 3hr interlude. Perhaps she was wishing to recreate the sleepless night I had a year ago in early labour?!

Anyway, despite all that, she had a lovely day and was delighted with her rocking horse and walking trolley thing in particular, and the cake was a big hit, not a crumb left now though shock. She has been flaked out in my arms for 20 minutes already as she's only had a 10 minute nap all day.

We also got her first shoes today - she seems quite taken with them!

Lying...dh is quite bad for telling white lies, also drives me mad. He is getting better with time though. He is also a shit liar which helps as I can tell and give him a withering look lol.

GT I hope you have had a lovely day - and hope someone has looked after you xx

Chasing look forward to hearing about London.

My mind has gone a bit fuzzy - sorry to the people I've missed out!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 24-Nov-13 19:04:56

I am glad F had a good birthday bp and that your cake was a success. Xx

StuntNun Sun 24-Nov-13 19:05:36

SIL has been taken in to be induced tomorrow morning. Squeeee, my big brother's going to be a daddy soon.

ChasingDaisy Sun 24-Nov-13 19:15:48

Ooh how exciting Stunt - another November baby grin

Have just ordered my Secret Santa present - looking forward to wrapping it up all Christmassy smile

PurplePidjin Sun 24-Nov-13 20:29:51

I'm still torn on my SS pressie. I think this jumper will be for R, he's blessed on the hat front but we're a tad scarce on the woolly pully front - he grew out of the last one i made him in February blush so votes please on what hat my SS should receive

A) bear
B) santa
C) suggestion?

Wish me luck, I'm nannying for a mate tomorrow (dc too ill for nursery plus settling in issues) so I'll have R plus his 11 1/2mo buddy from 9-2 shock then work for a rest, then two again for part of Tuesday <eek> might text my mate with twins to see if she has any tips...

LuisGarcia Sun 24-Nov-13 20:30:00

Pass, you're not too far off the mark tbh. Boring, aren't I?

Congrats to Stuntpriest and happy birthdays everyone.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 24-Nov-13 20:38:10

Luis you are a superhero among dads - not boring. Ou est le fishe? <slap slap>

Good luck for tomorrow pidj. Re: the hat, not sure. You've done some awesome ones over the past year that have made it onto fb, F would have been delighted to have any one of those if she's lucky enough to be have been picked!. The only thing I would have said about Santa is that it has a relatively short timespan over which it can be worn without getting hmm looks.

Gah, back to work tomorrow. Yuck. I've enjoyed my 3 day weeks the past fortnight! Much more my cup of tea.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 24-Nov-13 21:05:10

Sorry I'm bit late but happy birthday to minipig and GT. Sounds like F had a lovely day bplp and gt I hope you've been spoilt.

I did write a long post this mornig but mumsnet went down so I lost it. I now can't remember what else was on it apart from birthday greetings.

Had a fun day at the inlaws yesterday with an early xmas dinner. Sets the scene for us going to see father christmas tomorrow. I would have liked to have gone in December at least but I left it too long to book so tomorrow was the nearest slot to xmas I could get.

I love christmas markets. One of my faves is in Bath but I don't think we will make it there this year. Think I'll take the girls to the small one along the southbank and to go on the carousel. Debating on going to winter wonderland in hyde park. But think that might be too manic.

I keep changing my mind about what I'm getting for my secret santa. Going to bluewater this week so think I'll pick it up then. pp I think a santa hat would be very apt but perhaps a bear hat would get more use?

PurplePidjin Sun 24-Nov-13 21:09:32

That's what i thought BP and Eliza

Bear, dragon or Unspecified Other?

Lily311 Sun 24-Nov-13 21:09:58

pidj suggestion: owl? I love owls hope you got me.

Passmethecrisps Sun 24-Nov-13 21:12:04

Owl!! Owlowlowlowlowl!

Everyone thinks owls are awesome, yes? You never hear anyone say "oh look at that owl. What a dick"

ChasingDaisy Sun 24-Nov-13 21:14:18

O's bedroom has an owl theme smile

BigPigLittlePig Sun 24-Nov-13 21:15:22

Twit-too-whoooooo owl! Yep yep yep. Unisex and coooool.

Should head up to bed. Should, but there is more interesting stuff to do!

ChasingDaisy Sun 24-Nov-13 21:16:03

Eliza, I'm taking O to the Southbank Christmas market a week on Weds smile ignoring the fact I was there yesterday I agree that Winter Wonderland would probably be too manic for the little ones even though I would love to go

PetiteRaleuse Sun 24-Nov-13 21:26:01

grin at 'look at that owl, what a dick' grin

BigPigLittlePig Sun 24-Nov-13 21:27:07

We had an actual owl sat on the telegraph pole by our house the other evening, hooting away. Twas lush.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 24-Nov-13 21:31:16

Ooo good call, yes an owl! There are a lot of owl lovers in the quiche, me included.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 24-Nov-13 21:32:57

We love owls too.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 24-Nov-13 21:33:10

Just so you know.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 24-Nov-13 21:35:39

chasing Am doing E's new room when we move in an owl theme if that ever happens . I've bought her owl wall stickers, an owl cushion, an owl hook and an owl rug for christmas. Lucky her....she's gonna be like "what the fuck! Where are the loud noisy toys?!?".

YellowWellies Sun 24-Nov-13 21:42:22

My pal has just moved to a fixer upper in rural Devon, he'd removed a window to tinker with the putty. Put the glass back in several hours later. Next morning lo there was a Tawny Owl asleep on top of his ladder!

Pidj I reckon a sweater with a name initial (like wot Polly and Molly had on Pigeon Street) would be sooo supercool!

ChasingDaisy Sun 24-Nov-13 21:47:28

Loving the owl chat. When I was a kid and stayed at my Grandma's house in the New Forest I used to hear lots of owls.

YellowWellies Sun 24-Nov-13 21:52:31

We had short eared owls on Orkney which hunt in daylight. I vividly remember waiting at our wee rural bus stop waiting to go into Stromness for my booking in appointment and having two of them swooping low (within a couple of feet literally) mid-courtship dance. Stunning. Google image them - they're beautiful critturs!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 24-Nov-13 21:56:02

We have owls here. All summer at dusk there was one in the woods in front of the house hooting and another one somewhere behind the house hooting back. Once one swooped right down over the garden.

Where we lived until last year I used to walk down a track with the dog last thing at night. We'd go past the stables and into the woods and I would often see them. I don't often do night or dusk walks anymore as I am scared of the boar but until that particular fear developed I loved going out at night and listening to the wildlife.

Kyz Sun 24-Nov-13 22:28:26

Guys I made it on!!! Only now is too late to write my epic post Again so I will say hiiii to luis, and happy birthday to minipig and gt and anyone else I've missed!

ValiumQueen Sun 24-Nov-13 22:40:09

Big big big hug Pikz. Rotten news about croup on top of everything else. Not fair hmm hope health and fitness is soon restored.

Fox. Because we have spent the last few days dancing to 'what does the fox say'.

I am making my SS gift too PP. It will not be a hat. Or a fox. Or an owl.

I had no idea how fiddly sodding Playmobil is. If I buy a toy I do not expect to assemble the ruddy thing in its entirety. I thought sylvanian families were bad, but this is worse! I have bought a few bits for the advent season, and thankfully decided to make a start on them tonight.

Christmas traditions? Falling asleep in a pile under the Christmas tree on Christmas Eve. Pillows and duvets and cuddles. And the faint smell of piss.

GTbaby Sun 24-Nov-13 23:24:26

All up lucky ppl. Looking out your windows and seeing owls. I look out and see rats. hmm

MsJupiterJones Sun 24-Nov-13 23:30:12

Oh dear. We have a very upset little boy with painful swellings under his jaw, towards the back. I'm thinking this must be the mild mumps children can get following the MMR. Anyone else experienced this? Have given Calpol. He's had a cold the last few days so thought it was that but it's definitely something more bothering him.

PennieLane Mon 25-Nov-13 03:39:31

your posts are making me miss all the lovely festive things in the UK, looking forward to doing them with M next year wheb she's older. we did spend the day surfing and splashing at the beach yesterday so that makes up for it I guess!

PennieLane Mon 25-Nov-13 03:40:51

oh jj we didnt have the mumps bit but two weeka on she still has a measles style rash coming and going, apparently both is normal according to email from Doc!

GTbaby Mon 25-Nov-13 05:34:24

Do not skip two feeds before bed. Lo will sleep longer then ever before. You will wake up covered in milk. Your boobs will feel ready to explode. Lo will feed, but not enough to ease pain. Annoyed at sleep lost due to expressing.

GTbaby Mon 25-Nov-13 06:07:34

Shoot me now. I'm predicting I will fall asleep at 7am or 15 mins before H wakes up. Whichever comes 1st.

Random ramble. Sleeping through the night (to me) means baby sleeps while you do. Personally I don't think 3 feeds during this time allows for the term sleeping through. Some oct13 mums think this. But who am I to burst their bubble. Whatever gets you through the day.

Random rumble part two. Just put on FH tracky bottoms to go down stairs. They are tight. Looked At pics from yesterday. And I look massive. After tracky incident, I now know it wasn't just "an unflattering picture" as FH suggested.

Right. No more MN. Must sleep.

PurplePidjin Mon 25-Nov-13 07:57:21

We have an owl who lives in the trees nearby, possibly a paeir as we get toowits and toowoos?

YellowWellies Mon 25-Nov-13 07:59:35

Yep that's a pair of Tawny owls smile

PetiteRaleuse Mon 25-Nov-13 08:28:14

jj that sounds like post jab mumps. Not contagious and shouldn't last too long. A nice reminder of what mumps proper would be. I had it and it was awful sad

pikz sorry about the croup

gt sorry for your shit night

vq iirc it's the paed apt tomorrow right? Good luck with that.

StuntNun Mon 25-Nov-13 08:39:45

Somebody slept through shock wasn't me though since DH was up in the night with a sneezing fit. hmm

PetiteRaleuse Mon 25-Nov-13 10:04:38

Well done J!

Zamboni Mon 25-Nov-13 10:12:41

I love owls too. Have a lovely satchel style bag with them on!

jj FX is passes quickly.

Pikz DD had croup and it wasn't nice but it did go quickly. I had lots of v hot showers and sat her in with me for the steam.

I am home from work. I never take sick days. I either have a d&v big or got food poisoning. If the former than S is going to get it because he sleeps where I can't help but breathe on him and he's constantly putting his fingers in my mouth. If the latter there's a good chance I poisoned friends who came for lunch y'day.

The logistics of making sure S wouldn't fall out of my bed when I went to vom were complicated. DH was a superstar. He bed hopped as necessary, sat with S, got up early, sorted everything and took DC to nursery and volunteered he wouldn't go to hockey if I was still unwell tonight. DH volunteering not to hockey is unheard of. So he may give me the fave about fart related fibs, but I am really very thankful for him.

But feeling sorry for myselfhmm

ChasingDaisy Mon 25-Nov-13 10:32:02

Hope you feel better soon Zamboni. I have never been so unhealthy as I have this past year. Off to buy vitamins today.

So, I have decided that I want to se my engagement ring. How do I go about this? Go to a jewellers?

PetiteRaleuse Mon 25-Nov-13 11:03:48

A jeweller could value it which would be a good start.

Hoping for s's sake you've poisoned yourself zamboni and I hope you feel better soon flowers

Lily311 Mon 25-Nov-13 11:05:39

No idea * chasing*. I haven't been wearing mine since O was born as I scratched her with it on day 1. I put it away for O, I might turn it into something later on.

18 months today since he passed away. Feeling rather sorry for myself.

Snowing in Hungary. 0 degrees. Winter has arrived.

Zamboni Mon 25-Nov-13 11:20:09

(((((((( lily ))))))))

PetiteRaleuse Mon 25-Nov-13 11:58:22

lily flowers