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October 2013 Bus Graduates: the one where we're not pregnant anymore

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MrsHoratioNelson Sun 10-Nov-13 18:25:50

Check in here. Do we still need the stats?

Natalieand Sun 10-Nov-13 18:30:19
roofio87 Sun 10-Nov-13 18:31:39

checking in, so exciting!!
H has just projectile vomited all over us both. oh the glamour!!

ananikifo Sun 10-Nov-13 18:32:25

Ok I just got emotional because this thread is in "being a parent" rather than "becoming a parent." Am I really a parent now?

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 10-Nov-13 18:43:53

Thanks Nat

Ana I guess it's true, even if we don't always feel like it!!

Shootingstarsandcomets Sun 10-Nov-13 18:44:35

Checking in!

Thanks MrsH!

Thanks MrsHN

Bit sad that I will never have need for "becoming" a parent section again, will not be ttc or pregnant again sad I don't feel like a proper grown up parent and I'm a 33yr old mother of three!

tuckingfits Sun 10-Nov-13 18:49:57

Thanks MrsHN

emmoB13 Sun 10-Nov-13 18:54:42

Checking in!

roxvox Sun 10-Nov-13 18:55:22

Checking in, thanks mrsHN

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 10-Nov-13 18:59:52

Yuk - C stinks like Parmesan from all the sick on his babygro. Time to change it - I'm not sure how he manages it and why it gets so bad before we spot it bad mother. DH says he can't smell it, maybe it's because he's under my nose when I'm feeding him.

Arf at 'am I really a parent' Ana.

Anyone else with a 5 week old having a really fussy period? Just been readin up on growth spurts and it appears to be a wonder week, which makes sense. Think we were on the verge of a smile earlier, but not quite!

ananikifo Sun 10-Nov-13 19:04:32

Ugh just lost a long post. angry

We have no routine to speak of. J's colic and sleeping are not perfectly consistent from day to day and I follow his lead. I have hope that it'll turn into a routine but were not there yet.

I expressed for the first time yesterday and now I am so confused about sterilising. My microwave steriliser has space for four bottles. Can I assemble the bottles and use as needed (maybe keeping the covers on the teats) or do I need to sterilise just before I use the bottles? Also my HV told me to sterilise pump sets in the microwave steriliser but the instructions on the sets she have me say not to sterilise them. I think my ultimate solution is to get a cold water steriliser but for tonight it's probably ok to just sterilise them, right? They'll probably just not last as long?

My parents are coming from Canada tomorrow! The last and only time they've been in England is my wedding five years ago. They're also bringing my 16 month old nephew who lives with them. DH and I have tried bits of toddler proofing our house but I'm sure we've missed things.

ananikifo Sun 10-Nov-13 19:09:14

Sorry if that's unclear about the pump sets basically HV loaned me a pump and gave me sets to use with it (2 pump sets so I can do 2 boobs at once) but when I've opened them I've found that they say not for heat sterilising. I can get a cold water sterliser but not tonight, and I'm thinking it would be ok to use the steriliser I have for now. The main risk would be the plastic deteriorating over time so they wouldn't last as long, right?

Mnippy Sun 10-Nov-13 19:27:44

Marking place!

ana, since apparently sterilised equipment is fine for 24 hrs if it stays in the steriliser, we reckon that the bottles are fine for at least 12 hrs if ready assembled with all lids tightened. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to do day trips with the baby and bring ready sterilised bottles with us.

Sanjifair Sun 10-Nov-13 19:37:04

Checking in.

Haylebop12 Sun 10-Nov-13 19:43:14

Checking in, thanks for the new thread mrsHN

Decided we will start a "routine" here next Monday when Isaac turns 8 weeks. We have bought a space saver cot for our room so that needs setting up. I'm getting fed up of carrying the Moses basket up and down so I will tart putting him in that. He's slept 11-5 when he's woke for milk and gone straight back to sleep until 8ish the last two nights so fingers crossed that continues. I do worry about how sleepy he is in the day, but technically I reckon I could take three weeks off him since he was born at 37?! So I'm guessing we will do similar to everyone else. 6pm ish he will have a bath, massage and into night babygro, then bottle in the dark and quiet and into bed. I prob would go up to bed when he woke for milk but no later then 10 cuz I like my sleep!

Pleased to hear everyone seems to be settling into a pattern .

Anyone recommend a decent but fairly cheap monitor? Doesn't need to be video or anything fancy. Just a clear sound one as technically our house is so small I would hear him. However I want to catch him at the first sign of hunger so he doesn't tart screaming and wake Amelia up!

doobeedee Sun 10-Nov-13 19:45:55

Checking in. Re: sterilising, we just use a big pan with cold water and Milton. Takes 15 mins and is so easy.

Flyer747 Sun 10-Nov-13 19:55:27

Checking in. It does feel strange no longer being on an ante natal thread. We are parents now yikes!

So of all you first time mums who has decided they definitely want more children? I've already made up my mind that I don't want more children, was pretty much certain of this pre birth but now I'm 100% sure.

xuntitledx Sun 10-Nov-13 19:56:41

rox - we leave the white noise app on all night (if we need to!) we don't notice it on anymore!

Re. weight, I'm not sure what's happened to me in pregnancy but I'm 2 stone under my pre-pregnancy weight! Nothing fits me anymore! Whoop grin

Flyer747 Sun 10-Nov-13 19:56:43

Oh ana not sure on the sterilising front I have the Milton cold water steriliser. I often don't sterilise my breast pump everytime though

AnythingNotEverything Sun 10-Nov-13 20:02:31

Hello ladies!

I entirely missed the last thread but have been keeping up on Facebook. If we're here now does that mean all the babies came?!

DD is now 2.5 weeks and we're settling in to things well. We've only been home from hospital just over a week due to two spells of jaundice, but we're through that now.

Looking forward to reading about how everyone is doing.

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 10-Nov-13 20:02:34

untitled glad I'm not the only one who seems to have actually lost weight (apart from the baby bit grin) overall while I was pregnant - I was starting to feel slightly embarrassed about it. I've been back in my jeans for weeks and apart from the fact that I need new tops to fit my enormous boobs in hmm I could just pull all my old stuff out. I put lots in the loft thinking that it would be after Christmas before I needed it again confused

legallyblond Sun 10-Nov-13 20:11:04

O.M.G. Just did the bedtime feed with the "womb" noise from the app Sound sleeper on and NO FUSSING!!! Both are now asleep!

legallyblond Sun 10-Nov-13 20:12:00

I was also back in jeans there weeks in. Took twelve weeks with DD!!!

Haylebop12 Sun 10-Nov-13 20:12:41

flyer although ds is my second, I'm pretty sure there will be a third for us. Possibly not such an age gap as there is 4.7 years between dd and ds. Maybe start trying when baby is 2 1/2?

roofio87 Sun 10-Nov-13 20:19:44

we definitely want another dc. probably not for a good while but definitely will do eventually.
I'm also lighter now than before, bought some new skinny jeans yesterday and everything!!

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 10-Nov-13 20:25:50

I may be insane as a result of sleep deprivation but the deal here was none or two if we can. DH is an only and was adamant that we should have more than one. I've told him he's having the next one grin

ananikifo Sun 10-Nov-13 20:34:15

I'm lighter than before as well, not that that's saying much because I would still want to lose some weight. I'm afraid I may be gaining weight now sitting at home eating and doing nothing.

Sterilising is a PITA isn't it? I think ill get the mam set from amazon with a microwave/cold water steriliser to use with cold water for the pump sets, and self sterilising bottles so we can do them one at a time, all for £11. I wonder if I could sell my tommee tippee set on eBay.

We definitely want more children. I look at him and I just love him so much. If money was no object is want a big family but we will probably have to stop at two, and we'll probably have to space them pretty far apart.

Natalieand Sun 10-Nov-13 20:34:38

This baby was dc2 for us, dh only ever wanted one I didn't really have a set figure in mind so I had to beg for this baby so I think this will almost definately be our last. Plus this time round I definately struggled more adjusting too him than I did with dd and I don't wish too experience those feelings again, plus I got my epidural free birth I wanted and we have a boy and girl so no need to have anymore really x

legallyblond Sun 10-Nov-13 20:37:41

We're done now!!! I would have wanted three in an ideal world... But would have stopped at two I expect, mostly for financial reasons, but also because I wouldn't want to "tempt fate" again (I think I find pregnancy more fearful than most...). So I guess it was good that they are twins! grin

Mnippy Sun 10-Nov-13 20:38:05

It was two or none for us too - I loved having a brother growing up, I know it's partly luck whether they get along but would like to give them a chance.

That said, if I hadn't had my straightforward lovely c section then I might be too scared/traumatised to have another baby.

legallyblond Sun 10-Nov-13 20:39:41

Oh, and we would have planned a much bigger gap if this preg had been planned (4 or 5 years at least)... But I am so happy now, I can't imagine anything else!

char1eston Sun 10-Nov-13 20:40:45

Checking in. Thanks for the new thread mrsHN

Mnippy Sun 10-Nov-13 20:44:28

Oh, and no bedtime routine for us (at 4 weeks old). Baby goes to bed when we do - changed then last feed at 10-11, swaddled and put into the bednest with Ewan (sometimes he stays awake for a bit making effortful grunting noises, very occasionally he is crying and needs a bit of a cuddle first), then up again at 3-4 for the middle of the night feed, then finally there is the early morning feed 7-8am. He refuses to sleep after that (despite DP leaving for work with an airy 'why don't you have a lie in while he naps after this feed!'). Sometimes he doesn't sleep immediately after being put down in the night, and needs lots of patting and repeated use of Ewan!

JellyCurls Sun 10-Nov-13 20:47:49

Checking in

3 was and is the magic number for us, after the drama and EMCS I am definitely done.

I have been back in my pre-preg clothes since J was 3 weeks old and am now back at pre-preg weight.

Our routine is pretty settled in feeding 3 hourly except during night. So feed at 7, 10, 1, 4, 7 then an extra ounce at 8. Baby J goes upstairs to sleep at 8.30 and sleeps through till anytime between 1.30 and 4

Wickedgirl Sun 10-Nov-13 20:49:34

This is our last baby too. We now have dd1 (15), ds1 (13), ds2 (9) and dd2 (4 weeks tomorrow)

Is it just me that's still a fatty then...? sad

Definitely want at least one more, was telling Thomas he would be a big brother one day soon after he was born. Three ideally but we don't have space at the moment.

Flyer747 Sun 10-Nov-13 21:15:22

No orange in a fatty too. I have lost 2 stone but still have another 1and a half stone to shift. Currently 9st13 pre pregnancy weight was usually around 8st 4

Natalieand Sun 10-Nov-13 21:16:28

I'm currently 8lb over my pre preg weight x

Shirehobbit Sun 10-Nov-13 21:21:20

I'm humongous sad blush sad

Glad I am not the only one! I would be very surprised if I was. Not weighed myself since a few days after birth when I had only lost a few oz more than Thomas weighed so won't be trying that again for a while. Am a size 14-16 I think depending on which shops size chart I look at and used to be a 6. Don't think I look that bad really, my bloated face/hands/ankles are back to normal and I am in proportion, everything is just much bigger and more wobbly.

Currently listening to my son fart on DHs knee. Who would have thought that could bring me such happiness?! I know it will make him more comfortable and settled so giving him lots of encouragement. DH doesn't get the same treatment.

GeorgieJo Sun 10-Nov-13 21:26:37

Legally I just used the "womb" noise from that app too, and the minute I turned it on S closed his eyes and started to relax - amazing!

Re weight, I was back at pre-pregnancy weight 10 days after birth, which was amazing and surprising, but in the last few weeks think I have been steadily gaining as I gorge snack through the late night feeds. Oh well...

Flyer I always thought I wanted 4 DC, and DH wants 3. But to be honest the thought of going through birth and experiencing this level of sleep deprivation, but next time with a toddler to look after as well, is pretty terrifying.

No idea how everyone with more than 1 DC manages this newborn stage!

thatsnotmypineapple Sun 10-Nov-13 21:41:59

I'm a fatty as well sad. I have a stone and a half to go and ideally another stone and a half after that. Really depressed about it, as I was back in my pre preg stuff after a week last time. I can't bear the thought of still wearing maternity clothes so am buying some cheap "fat clothes".

After swearing after DD1 that I was never going to have another, i am desperately broody even though DD2 isn't even 5 weeks yet. I am not sure that I would be so lucky again though with good pregnancy and birth, and easy gong baby.

kiwee Sun 10-Nov-13 21:44:52

Checking in.

Re. weight, I'm still 3-4kg over pre-pregnancy weight. Can only get in my fat day 1 pair of jeans so far but most of my other clothes are wearable (if slightly tight).

Surprised myself slightly by already wanting another DC, but will realistically wait another 2-3 years as have exams etc I want to get out of the way first and will need to build myself up to face to horrors of pregnancy again!

Haylebop12 Sun 10-Nov-13 22:06:03

Still a fatty here, I have just over a stone to pre preg weight. Tbh though I got pregnant at my biggest ever so overall want 3 stone off, eventually 4. I would like to get to around 10 1/2 which is right for me.

apperleydapperley Sun 10-Nov-13 22:06:21

ooh new thread thanks mrshn!
Last DC here too, as is #3. i knew i wasn't done after 2 and longed for another. Although i feel sad that i'll never have that amazing moment of meeting a newborn again, 3 def feels 'right' now.

I put on 3 stone and have 1 1/2 stone to lose yet. Think i may have to work at it, although previously i didn't go back to pre-preg weight until i stopped bf so not too worried at the mo. Clothes are a pain though and nothing fits, not even back into my 'fat' jeans yet she says scoffing a crunchie blush

I had to buy size 16 jeans last week. It's so depressing. I can't even get my old "fat jeans" over my hips never mind my size 10 skinnies. I usually lose weight so easily after a baby too. I'm finding it hard to find time to eat so maybe it won't be too long.

PseudoBadger Sun 10-Nov-13 22:11:16

I'm a fatty too sad Nearly 2 stone over pre-preg weight, and I was already a stone over my ideal after my pregnancy/miscarriage just before this pregnancy. However I know that I hang onto weight in the early breast feeding days and then it does come off. But that doesn't cheer me up when all I have to wear are maternity pyjamas.....

Flyer - as I've mentioned DS had awful reflux and I had a terrible pregnancy and birth. I said never again.....

Dd has spent the evening in my stretchy wrap sling.

Flyer747 Sun 10-Nov-13 22:22:43

I want to be 9stone by Xmas then I only have 8/9 lbs to go. So that's 13lbs to reach 9 stone in 6 weeks just over 2lbs a week id say quite achieveable.

Really need to get A taking a bottle of expressed milk (she refuses bottles now) we have a Xmas night out on the 21st December and it's with all our friends and I'm desperate to go. Any advice on how I can get her to start taking a bottle?

roxvox Sun 10-Nov-13 22:22:43

Right, well I am off to download that app then - thanks for the tip legally! We've just had a very stressful massage/bath time so I think we're going to need it...

I always said I wanted 2 children, but DH only wanted one. Straight after the birth I made a mental note to never put myself through that again, but already I am forgetting and thinking I could do it. I'm scared I'll have twins next time around tbh (they run in the family). Twins + toddler - I don't know how you do it legally! DH is already talking about having another one too.

orange there is nothing I love more than the sound of A trumping away whilst sat with DH. Especially when they sound "full" as we have a policy where whoever is holding her when she poos has to change her :D

haylebop I am not sure how much you are looking to spend on a monitor, but this Angelcare Movement and Sound one is the one I have (only used it for testing and it seemed good) and it has good reviews everywhere, plus you get the comfort of the pressure sensor too. Currently almost half price on Amazon.

ImpOfDarkness Sun 10-Nov-13 22:31:06

I have no idea what I weigh ATM...

My c-section from 2 weeks ago is weeping quite a lot. It's held together with steri strips and doesn't feel or look infected-should I be worried?

Haylebop12 Sun 10-Nov-13 22:33:26

Thanks rox I'm not too bothered about a sensor one, just a sound one but clear enough that u catch him early enough not to wake dd smile

MrsO27 Sun 10-Nov-13 22:36:23

Fatty here too. Our scales need new batteries so no idea how much I've lost or still have to lose but still wearing maternity clothes, albeit they are a bit big but my pre-preg stuff is still too small. My hands, face and feet are more normal looking now though. My thighs, arse and stomach... Well, they'll need some work!! So very, very jealous of all you skinny Minnie's on here! Does bf actually help weight loss or is it a myth? I'm hoping my fat just melts away. Wishful thinking perhaps!
We would like at least one other dc, but won't be trying until ds is at least 18months to 2 years though.

MrsO27 Sun 10-Nov-13 22:48:01

Also - came across this, ds has settled really well ths evening by doing the swinging and shushing together. The swinging is more like really light jiggles whilst he lies tummy down on my chest, but it seems to work along with the shushing. Not keen on using a dummy or swaddling (I think he would hate swaddling anyway as he likes his arms free) but thought I would share this for other fussy baby sufferers www.babycenter.com/0_harvey-karps-happiest-baby-method-for-baby-sleep-and-soothin_10373838.bc
Can't remember who said their baby pulls off the breast crying, but I've since worked out that when my lo does this he's actually overtired and not hungry. I either pass him to dh to get away from my milk smell or put my boobs away and try to settle him to sleep myself (from now on using this shushing/swinging thing, although it is early days with this technique!)l

Natalieand Sun 10-Nov-13 22:50:14

I can reccomend this one hayle


GTbaby Sun 10-Nov-13 22:57:38

thanks And wine to us all. We have made it to post natal in one big group.

MrsO27 Sun 10-Nov-13 22:57:45
Haylebop12 Sun 10-Nov-13 23:01:22

Thank you nat smile

Lovelybitofsquirrel Sun 10-Nov-13 23:02:59

Hi all, can I join you? Mum to N, born 3rd October, 1st dc.

GTbaby Sun 10-Nov-13 23:13:38

Hello squirrel.

Lo is Asleep. I am not. confused

Flyer747 Sun 10-Nov-13 23:19:03

Welcome squirrel

Baby A is cluster feeding. It's hard work and I have a mother of headaches.

Lovelybitofsquirrel Sun 10-Nov-13 23:20:54

Mine has just dropped off, hopefully I won't be up much longer, we normally have quite a long stint about 3am !

Lovelybitofsquirrel Sun 10-Nov-13 23:22:49

Thanks for welcomes! Nice to have somewhere to share progress and get help! smile

roxvox Mon 11-Nov-13 00:11:39

Welcome squirrel! Are you on Facebook? We have a private group on there. If you'd like to join us then PM me your real name (and a description of your profile picture if there's more than one person with your name) and I will add you to the group. If not then don't worry as we mostly chat on here and not everyone has Facebook on here.

The sleeping sounds app has worked well on DH, but A is waking up every 20 minutes or so and rooting still. There has been less crying though!

textbook Mon 11-Nov-13 00:12:01

Wow, can't believe we made it to ante-natal!

Still totally fat here too - got a stone to lose to get back to pre-preg weight, but was carrying an extra 2 stone from MC and greedy Xmas last year, so a long way to go really. I started intermittent fasting last week so hopefully will start to come off soon.

Imp weeping doesn't sound great to be honest - I would go to the GP if I were you. When my scar was infected it was weepy and I needed a course of antibiotics. I can also totally recommend manuca honey which really helped clear mine up.

I had my 6 week check this week, and my wound is finally all healed gringringrin T was lovely and alert for the whole thing, and the doctor was suitably impressed with her wink

textbook Mon 11-Nov-13 00:13:07

Also hi Squirrel smile

xuntitledx Mon 11-Nov-13 02:04:14

Love the name squirrel!

kiwee Mon 11-Nov-13 02:07:39

Welcome squirrel

rox any chance you can add me to FB group too? (I've PM'd you with the details).

Just booked C in for her 6 week check and immunisations later this week - can't believe it's that time already! Big week ahead for her as not only gets that done but also has a hip ultrasound booked for next week. I'll really need to be more organised in order to get out of the house to get to all these appointments on time.

Sephy Mon 11-Nov-13 02:11:49

Thanks for the nice new thread. Sharing ana's shock at being a parent!

Hi squirrel.

Thanks Mrs O, will look into those settling methods, rely good when something works!

had a bit of a scary episode yesterday evening when I suddenly felt really anxious about baby (who was sleeping on my chest at the time) for no reason at all - really grim sense of foreboding. It did go away after a whole but then I started worrying its a PND thing, as there really was no logic to it, so I wondered if it was hormonal.

The other thing I'm trying to deal with is lopsided / oversupply. Three days ago noticed LHS much bigger than RHS so followed advice to increase RHS supply to be less lopsided. Think I've overdone it though as RHS now positively pumps milk out at let down leaving LO unable to latch on at all so she gets very frustrated screaming and covered in milk. Really not a calm atmosphere for a night feed!

Thanks for the sleep sound app recommendation, maybe that will undo the damage of my fast let down!

Lovelybitofsquirrel Mon 11-Nov-13 03:49:09

Thanks Roxvox, have PMd you

StinkerBoo Mon 11-Nov-13 03:50:55

Hello! I'm completely new...I had been (and am still on) the December 2013 antenatal thread, but my little boy had other plans and made his grand entrance 30 October, five weeks early! We escaped hospital on Thursday and I'm ready to talk baby. .. I have a while to wait for the rest of my group to catch up with my, can I hang here?

pinkbuttons Mon 11-Nov-13 03:57:01

Thanks for the new thread mrsH also feeling a little bit emotional about moving on to postnatal. after moaning about my pregnancy for the final 2 weeks today I realised I kind of miss my bump...

Welcome squirrel

Also glad you havent all lost your baby weight and very jealous of all that have. still have 3kg to lose here but have decided to wait until I is 6 weeks before start worrying. Am in my fat jeans but cant get my skinnies over my bum atmblush aim is to be in them by christmas even if haven't lost all the weight by then.

Tried to DTD for the first time tonight and omg ouch!! we took our time and what not but still just hurt too much, think ive worked myself up now and worrying how im ever going to relax enough to try again. DH very lovely about it but also a bit desperate. Definitely didn't have this issue last time and I had an episiotomy then... sorry if all tmi.

I always thought I wanted lots of children and DH only wanted 2. Now we have our boy and girl I feel like my need feels less but it may be because I is only 4 weeks old. Think if we decide to have more id like to wait till they are both st school and nursery pregnancy and toddler was just too exhausting at the end.

Hope everyone is being given a good night. sorry havent name checked read through whilst feeding and my mind has gone blank x

Shootingstarsandcomets Mon 11-Nov-13 04:45:43

I'm a fatty too! Can just about fit into my fat jeans but not comfortable enough to actually wear. Want to lose 10lbs by Christmas. Would be doable if I stopped buying treats! Stollen was on offer in waitrose yesterday so now I have a cupboard full.....oops!
hayle ds1 was a month early and was very sleepy but has always hit milestones on time. Ds2 was practically on his due date and is a lot more awake than ds1 at same age. I think definitely something to be said for those lady few weeks in utero.

Shootingstarsandcomets Mon 11-Nov-13 04:45:56

Lady?! Last

AnythingNotEverything Mon 11-Nov-13 04:57:59

Welcome Squirrel and Stinker! Congrats on your LOs.

Pink - we're starting to think about DTD again ... Not sure when we'll find the time though! I'm sure you'll get there soon but it's not something you can rush. The advice I've read advocates lots of lube, particularly if bf.

rubytwosday Mon 11-Nov-13 05:05:09

Rox - I have also PMd you re Facebook - I hope that is ok and thankyou. flowers
Hello squirrel and stinker.
Having a nightmare night - feeding and crying in circles from 9 - 3. 2 hr sleep now feeding again.

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 11-Nov-13 05:07:52

Morning - early morning feed going on. Sore throat and runny nose and from the sound of his snuggles, C has something similar. He's been wanting to feed quite a bit which makes sense as I've been drinking lots to soothe my throat. Thank goodness DH has three days off later this week.

roxvox Mon 11-Nov-13 05:09:26

squirrel thanks for your details - I can't seem to find you on Facebook, and for some reason Mumsnet won't let me reply to your PM with my details (so you can find me on there instead). It also won't let me send you a message on here - all very strange! So we'll go to plan B; can you send me a PM with your email address (the one that your FB account is linked to)?

roxvox Mon 11-Nov-13 05:12:08

ruby and kiwee I have sent you both PMs on Facebook x

Lovelybitofsquirrel Mon 11-Nov-13 05:21:41

Thanks for your efforts Roxvox, your msg got through so I've looked you up on fb.
Still up from our middle of the night feed, which started 2 hours ago! sad

roofio87 Mon 11-Nov-13 05:30:41

hi stinker of course you can join? how is ur baby doing considering their early arrival?
squirrel we sound very much in the same place, I had baby boy H on 4th oct and he's my first too!! how are you doing?

all ok here, had a bit of a fussy trumpy night but hopefully he'll drop off again now!!

roxvox Mon 11-Nov-13 05:31:59

I bet you got loads of messages from me all saying the same thing! I have now added you to the group on there smile

roxvox Mon 11-Nov-13 05:34:47

By the way squirrel I too am up on a looooong night feed. A is usually pretty good with night time feeding and it's over and done with (including a nappy change) in about 40 minutes, but we've been up for a good 90 minutes now. She has had 2 nappy changes, both boobs, and is now just refusing to settle!

Lovelybitofsquirrel Mon 11-Nov-13 05:38:04

Hi roofio. I think we're doing well, all things considered! He is putting on weight and is generally a happy baby. Sleep is our main problem, he's not one for sleeping in the day, or of he does will only sleep on someone-mostly me but do get to palm him off on my mum sometimes so I can rest. The minute he's put down he's wide awake and grumpy! He's also awake for a long stint at night.

Lovelybitofsquirrel Mon 11-Nov-13 05:40:17

Thanks rox x

Welome squirrel and stinker.

Thanks for the Amazon link roxvox.

Imp I'm 5 and a half wks post natal and my c-section scar is open and weepy in 2 places. I've had to collect dressings from the health centre twice but still no difference. I've had it swabbed and not heard back so presuming it's ok. I think you should have it checked just incase.

I'm feeling very rested this morning. Yesterday morning after making the dc's breakfast I went back to bed to join Dp for some "alone time". When he got up I told him I'd be downstairs in 5 mins. I fell asleep though and didn't wake up til 5.30pm by which time Dp was cooking dinner for the dc and ordering us a takeaway.That one unbroken sleep has made all the difference.

StinkerBoo Mon 11-Nov-13 07:24:00

The first eight days were really hard Roof, we were in hospital and the little one had a feeding tube (suckle reflex develops between 34 and 36 weeks and he was born at 35+1), was quite vomity and under a jaundice lamp for two days. Both of the latter meant that we were advised not to cuddle our touch him too much, to make sure he kept his tube feeds down and to maximise his lamp exposure. This was horribly hard, being unable to snuggle with your pfb, along with the practicalities of living with the sleeping patterns of six newborns and the traffic of a busy postnatal ward.

I had gone nearly batshit crazy by the time we escaped (as in visual and aural hallucinations) through lack of sleep, but we did it in the end. The nurses were lovely,but it is quite a medical environment (obviously) and quite easy to get bogged down in. Managed to get breastfeeding established tho (hand expressing colostrum was truly soul destroying) and more we are home the little guy (and me) are getting into the swing of demand breast feeding. And I'm ecstatic to be getting 2-3 bouts of 3 hours sleep a night. He was definitely early rather than poorly, think he's just an impatient little wotsit as much as anything else. Anyone else have a similar experience?

rubytwosday Mon 11-Nov-13 07:26:00

Thankyou Rox. flowers

StinkerBoo Mon 11-Nov-13 07:37:14

Oooooo I feel inspired by all the mums fitting into pre-pregnancy clothes....May go for a dig in the sheds later today....

I don't really even fit my maternity jeans yet but they became too small around 5 months so going in the right direction.

Just had a break to clear up poo explosion on hand, bed, clothes... So forgot who I wanted to name check.

Welcome squirrel and stinker.
Flyer, do you warm up the ebm in the bottle for A? She might prefer that to room temperature and less likely to cause wind according to midwife. Just put in bowl of warm water or run under hot tap. Never microwave.

Tom was wide awake in the middle of the night. Not always crying, just eyes wide open and mouth in an 'ooh' shape ready to play some of the time. Our usual tricks of feeding and cuddling on chest didn't work but swaddling and hypno birthing music did the trick in the end.

Probably tmi... I have small tears around my anus and perenium still feels sore above them. They bleed and hurt every time I poo but don't think its piles as no itching/lumps and not constipated. Thinking should have gone away three weeks in, is this something I ask HV about or GP? Or pharmacist? Or is it normal?

(To be clear, the poo explosion in my last post was Thomas, not me! When did my life become all about poo...?!)

AnythingNotEverything Mon 11-Nov-13 08:33:25

Stinker - my DD wasn't early (she was too comfy and evicted via ARM in the end!) but we had ten nights in hospital, firstly tube feeding for low blood sugars, then two stints under a lamp to treat jaundice. It's so hard keeping them under the lamp when they're so tiny and needing a cuddle.

I second your experience in the overly medicalised environment. I worried it'd push me into PND - it was so risk averse and process driven. Life is so much better now we're home!

ananikifo Mon 11-Nov-13 08:39:26

Welcome squirrel and stinker.

Orange I would talk to GP or mw about it.

My parents' flight has landed and DH is at the airport. I'm still in bed after a particularly bad night, wondering if they'll notice if I skip a shower. I'm just so tired. sad

Flyer747 Mon 11-Nov-13 08:49:46

Orange no I will try heating them. Thanks for the tip.

Very tired here also.

Orange I said the same to dp yesterday about poo my life revolves around poo and getting my baps out constantly grin

pinkbuttons Mon 11-Nov-13 09:29:10

Welcome stinker glad your home and sounds like your doing amazingly well.

ana sure they wont mind, you may even get chance to have one while they have their first cuddle smile enjoy x

orange i have the same, one is particularly sore and still feel like I have to hold down there while I poo. 4 weeks here and was planning to discuss it at my 6 week check if not better by then. alhough dont know if thats the right thing to do.

Warning to all those with refluxy babies. Dont change your bedding just as you think baby reflux is improving, it will encourage baby to prove you wrong and do spectacular vomit all over the bed at 4 am , including both pillows and sleeping DHs hair...

Flyer747 Mon 11-Nov-13 09:51:38

Pink we had the same the other night. Vomit all over the freshly cleaned duvet

Haylebop12 Mon 11-Nov-13 09:52:18

Hi stinker

I can sympathise with you on baby being in special care. Even though Isaac was born at 37+1 he was born with pneumonia and a numathorax (air leak in his lung) and spent 7 days in neonatal. 5 of those in an incubator in intensive care on antibiotics and oxygen. Also being tube fed. Expressing colostrom was awful too, gettihg one deop out on various occasions. We've had a rocky road with bf since I could begin feeding him. He struggled to maintain his latch so we were given a nipple shield. That worked for a while but have spent lots of time weaning him off it. Even now at 7 weeks his latch isn't right but the shield has started hurting.

I too thought it would contribute to pnd. I got to day 3 and wondered how I was going to bond with my son when I could only touch him through a porthole!

Wouldn't wish it on anyone :-(

Flyer747 Mon 11-Nov-13 10:15:43

Sympathies to those who's babies were in special care. A bear also ended up in scbu and it does make things harder to deal with bonding and to me it seemed surreal like I'd never really had a baby.

I feel I have PND in fact I know I have. I'm really struggling with things and was going to go to the gp's today but we have an appointment for A's possible tongue tie at Alder Hey this afternoon so I know I won't get there today.

Everyday is a massive struggle and I have to be honest I'm getting very little enjoyment out of motherhood at the moment. I look at my daughter and love her very much she's so defenceless but I'm really finding it hard adjusting to my new life and the major sleep deprivation. Everything is getting me down and I feel like a pale shadow of my former self! I just hope medication can pick me out of this dark place which I feel I'm in at the moment.

roofio87 Mon 11-Nov-13 10:30:01

flyer I'm so sorry you're feeling so rubbish but really glad you've acknowledged it. I'm not surprised with everything going on with A that you're finding it hard to enjoy it. I feel the same sometimes and actually have quite a happy baby. Definitely get to the go tomorrow if you can. You just need time and some help,maybe from medication, and I'm sure it'll all pick up. Hope it appointment at alder hay goes well today. We are lucky that that is our local children's hospital as I do think they are good.

I'm back off to the hospital today for my 6 week check with the gynaecologist to check how I've healed after my tear. It's still a bit painful especially when I poo so will get her to check that out. Also find it very hard to control when I pass wind so worried I'm going to fart in her face! Why would you want to be a gynaecologist?!? Ha

GeorgieJo Mon 11-Nov-13 10:46:11

Flyer I am sorry you are feeling rubbish. I agree with Roofio, it is hardly surprising that you are finding it tough given everything you and A have gone through.

Good luck with appointments today, hope they go really well and doctors are helpful.

Thanks all. I might wait until 6 week check too.

Flyer ditto what others have said. thanks and I hope today goes well.

thatsnotmypineapple Mon 11-Nov-13 11:51:49

flyer I really hope you feel better soon. I can't really add anything to what the others have said, but my sister had quite severe pnd and although it doesn't feel like it now, you will come through this. It is a great start that you are looking for the support now.

orange and pink, I have exactly the same problem. Pooing is agony, but it doesn't seem to be piles. Altogether I just don't really feel right "Down there". Thought about Dtd last night, but just couldn't.

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 11-Nov-13 11:55:01

thanks flyer

Flyer747 Mon 11-Nov-13 12:21:53

Thanks all.

I have awful pain when pooing also I thought it maybe my piles (lovely) but it may be an anal fissure. Could this be what you ladies who've had natural labours have I believe it's quite common after childbirth.

My god I literally have to hold onto the towel radiator when I'm pooing as it feels like I'm passing razor blades out of my bum grin

Looked that up on nhs website this morning flyer and yes it sounds like anal fissures. Oh the glamour.

Oh my god what's an anal fissure - I have razor blades poos as well.........

PseudoBadger Mon 11-Nov-13 13:06:24

I had a fissure last time. Ouch! The doctor gave me local anaesthetic cream (lidocaine?) to apply before and after pooing.

We ate a tiny piece of the leaf that makes lidocaine in the rainforest on honeymoon and it numbed my tongue. I was cross with our guide as everything else had been yummy plants! So I presume it would do a good job of numbing anywhere.

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 11-Nov-13 13:31:43

I'm getting a bit worried about how much C is sleeping - l know that will really annoy some of you! He never seems to have a period of calm wakefulness, its just asleep of crying. He's 4 weeks today, should he be more alert by now? He has an evening fussy period, usually between 10 and about midnight but very little other awake time. He occasionally is awake after the morning (8:30 ish) feed but usually ends up crying so I put him in the sling which calms him and sends him off to sleep.

StinkerBoo Mon 11-Nov-13 13:47:10

Everything and Halle it's awful isn't it? I was so scared I wouldn't bond with the little guy especially as at his birth (induced due to waters being early) which for the most part was quite a nice experience ended up with me having my only shot of diamorphine when I was 10cm dilated. I'd been measured 2 hours previously at 2cm and had genuinely been expecting (along with the midwife!) to be in labour for a day or so, not 8 hours. When he was born I was in a complete opiate haze and felt quite disjointed from the whole scene. Especially not being able to hold him I worried it would all go to shit, but we just about held it together and I melt now when he opens his little eyes!

Still feeling a bit institutionalized now, can't stop writing down his feed times and lengths (although doing it on an app now), hoping he will have gained/maintained his weight when he's weighed tomorrow, will help me relax a bit I hope.

PseudoBadger Mon 11-Nov-13 13:53:48

MrsH - my C is 5 weeks today and is only a bit more awake these last couple of days if that helps. Still more asleep than awake though.

Racheld33 Mon 11-Nov-13 13:57:19

H is 5 weeks, and I can honestly say she sleeps 23 hours a day, she wakes regularly for feeds, but asleep within 5 mins till the next one. Evenings she's a bit grumpy/awake, but still keeps falling to sleep during then.

<disclaimer-she often feeds every hour during the night and only likes to sleep in the sling in the daytime, so please everyone don't feel I have an angel baby, just a sleepy one!>

Umlauf Mon 11-Nov-13 14:09:06

Checking in!! Going to make an effort to post more. I'm exhausted though and want to go back to bed, now that the baby is finally asleep!!

It's my third fast day on the 5:2 diet today, and my weight has gone down again so I'm feeling more and more human. Although breastfeeding, I don't have a hunger feeling at all any more which is so weird, I was starving during pregnancy. Now I get feelings of dizziness before I have a hungry feeling. So weird.

flowers to flyer poo related problems are the worst sad and on top of PND. So glad you're aware of it though so you can ask for help, that's the first step and it will be so much better with help. I haven't read far back as on phone but more flowers to mothers with babies in special care. Such a worrying time.

I have a constant need to wee that started when A was about 6 weeks, could that be a weak pelvic floor? I was feeling a bit smug about how unscathed my pelvic floor was, so it would serve me right if so!

Also, could anyone who's had their 6 week appointment let me know what happens? They don't do it here but I am going to make an appointment to ask them to check my battle wounds and disastesis, just wondering what else to ask them to look at.

Still using nipple shields to feed even though A 6 weeks now, he still doesn't have a clue what to do with a nipple. I think we've missed that boat to be honest. And I really am not loving breastfeeding, it doesn't hurt or anything, and it's great that it's so instant, I just find it a bit boring and a faff. My mental target is 6 months though, if only to save money on formula! We have only bought the ready made bottles as the powder looks so complicated, so of course the bottles cost a lot. Plus the general public seems very anti formula here, total strangers keep coming to ask me how I'm feeding him. Weird!

chickieno1 Mon 11-Nov-13 14:10:23

Post natal thread!! Thanks mrs hn

Welcome squirrel and stinker

ana I hope you can get some rest today. You must be excited though to have your parents arriving! I got very emotional when my dad and sis came over. It was great having them. Hope you have a lovely time and the prep for the baptism goes smoothly.

flyer as roofio and others said you have been through sooo much it's no wonder you're feeling down. From the delivery to time in scuba to feeding issues any one of us would be floored. The sleep deprivation is unreal and no one can describe what it's really like! Please try and get to gp tomorrow. Good luck with appt at alder hey. flowers.

To the ladies whose little ones were in nicu you did a truly amazing job of looking after them in such a difficult environment. Glad you're all getting on well and bonding ok once home flowers

For those with anal tears/fissures/ razor poos are you on stool softeners?? They should be OTC or could get prescription from gp?

Mrs hn I have a very sleepy 5 1/2 week old here. I was a bit worried before but I'm trying to go with the flow as she's feeding and growing well. Still waiting for more calm alert times and for my smiles..........

Anyone know about loads of green poos in a bf baby?? My dh was concerned about it this morning and has now stressed me out! Will look on kellymom

Sorry for massive post.

I'm sure I've forgotten loads so flowers and brew to all xx

Shootingstarsandcomets Mon 11-Nov-13 14:14:42

To the ladies with anal fissures.......ouch! I had one last time, you need to keep your toilet trips as soft as possible and it will heal up but it will take weeks as every time you go to the loo it re-opens a bit. Take fybogel and lactulose, lots of water and lots of fibre. Gp can give you stuff but it's not overly effective.

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 11-Nov-13 14:16:34

Ok, thanks, I will just count my blessings for now and wait for the trouble to start more alert phase!

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 11-Nov-13 14:21:34

PS if its any consolation to those of you with less sleepy babies, i am sitting in my kitchen with one boob out, trying to let my cracked, slightly pus-y nipple heal a bit. I have a blocked duct on the other side that has been there a week and wont clear and a cold and my diamond shoes are too tight

So its not all wonderful with a sleepy baby... grin

whistlingdixie Mon 11-Nov-13 14:51:05

morning Afternoon all!! Wow, we've graduated to a postnatal thread. We're all finally in 'the club' LOL

Just checking in and joining those with babies who sleep well-ish during the day and fuss through the night. BF is better but A has a lazy latch -> can't get him to open his mouth wide, which leads to very sore nipples. Hope to get to BF clinic this week for tips on getting this right.

Sorry to hear about those anal fissures ladies :-( sounds horrid. Fx things improve (get soft!) soon.

And to those with feeding, sleeping, health problems - hope you get some sleep and signs of improvement.
(Sorry, using phone so difficult to read back & name check).

Chickie - HV told me green poo can be a sign of dehydration and/or not getting enough fatty or hind milk. I was told to call my HV to check if A's poos didn't become mustard yellow soon (which thankfully they did).

whistlingdixie Mon 11-Nov-13 14:52:56

PS I expressed and topped up A's in-take for 3 feeds which seemed to sort out green poo. My own idea, not medical or HV advice.

Flyer747 Mon 11-Nov-13 14:56:46

MrsH relish in that sleepy baby! I have a Velcro baby and what I'd give to be able to put her down without her screaming the minute I do.

Umlauf good to see you back on here. I was thinking of you this morning and wondered where you'd got too. Your diet is going well I'm gonna look up that 5:2 diet a friend does it and swears by it.

So Alexandra was tongue tied and had it snipped there and then at Alder Hey, although they reassured me that I was like a small scratch it wasn't nice to watch. Hoping this helps the feeding issues.

Dp and I are off for a meal tonight, with A of course. Hoping she doesn't scream the place down. Quite nice to go out again for food.

roofio87 Mon 11-Nov-13 15:18:56

flyer glad they got tongue tie done and hoping it improves bf for you!!

Just been for my 6 week check at the hospital. was the same dr I saw throughout my pg re:H's heart so that was lovely. all seems to be healinh well down there, she had a good poke around. just told me to take it slow with dtd as it will probably hurt at first!! my bottom looked fine and she said it will just be painful as the scar tissue is still new and sore so poo pushing against it will hurt. makes sense!!

Bronzemoth Mon 11-Nov-13 17:31:04

flyer great news they have sorted the tongue tie but can't believe it took so long. Hope it helps with feeding.

It's amazing how far we and our little ones have come since those early ante natal threads. The waiting for the 12 week scans and the worries over lack of movement are a distant memory.

N clearly took against the suggestion that he has a pattern and has now been cluster feeding since midday

Sephy Mon 11-Nov-13 17:45:04

Hope you enjoy your meal Flyer, let us know how it goes. I'm not brave enough to take LO out for food yet - things like feeding in public are a bit scary for now.

Mnippy Mon 11-Nov-13 18:26:15

I really want to take the plunge and bf in public (means I don't have to be so rigid about going out in between feeds). But baby also has a lazy latch and doesn't open his mouth wide enough - often takes ages of latching and unlatching to get it right. Combined with the thrashing limbs and howling, it's no wonder I haven't whipped out the boobs in public yet.

Mnippy Mon 11-Nov-13 18:27:06

P.s. Flyer, enjoy your dinner out. Fingers crossed the proper medication will really improve things.

And welcome all newbies!

Great that they could snip it straight away flyer! I really hope that improves things a little for you.

Green poo - HV said as long as not every ok it's ok (otherwise can be a sign it absorbing the milk correctly), midwife said will be the jaundice coming out, and breastfeeding helpline said as long as it isn't accompanied by fever etc it's ok and doesn't mean anything. I've also heard/read it can be over feeding, under feeding, not enough hind milk, infection or nothing at all. Take your pick! Doesn't seem to be anything to worry too much about.

I did my first public breastfeed and first drive with Thomas visiting nct girls today. Really anxious someone would crash in to us and drove quite slowly. I am sure I annoyed lots of people.

Hi umlauf, good to see you.

Oh and stinker I am still writing down feed and nappy times on my iPad from when I had to tell midwives about it (Thomas lost quite a bit of weight and we had lots of checking up on it and various schedules to follow). I wasn't in nicu but know what you mean about that - even though we have been discharged I now feel I have to keep track. Hopefully as I get more confident he is fine I won't any more.

GeorgieJo Mon 11-Nov-13 18:40:02

Bronze same thing here - ever since I said S would usually go 3 to 4 hours between feeds, he has demanded to be fed every 2 hours. Definitely taught me a lesson... grin

Flyer hope you have a lovely evening. Very jealous of evening out.

My DH wants us to go out for dinner together this weekend and leave S (plus bottles of expressed milk) my mother. I think it feels a bit too soon though...

How does everyone else feel about leaving their babies?

roofio87 Mon 11-Nov-13 18:57:14

Georgie. we're going to try the same this weekend when H will be 6 weeks. We're going to stay at my mum and dads so can just pop out to the pub 2 mins away for tea. I've not left him once yet so will be a challenge but think me and dp should try and spend some time just us two while we can!!

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 11-Nov-13 19:20:20

After a particularly fractious afternoon I have succumbed and sent DH out for a dummy. Not mad about how it looks, but C has found his hands and keeps sucking them, even though I only fed him a hour ago so I figured it would comfort him - lo and behold, peace and quiet!

Presumably he'll spit it out when he actually is hungry?

Flyer747 Mon 11-Nov-13 19:20:34

So we didn't make it out. Ended up with visitors (unexpected) so dp gone to the Chinese for a takeaway. Going to attempt trying again tomorrow.

Orange I laughed at the vision of you driving really slowly and loads of cars backed up behind you gringrin

Natalieand Mon 11-Nov-13 19:32:04

mrshn yes baby will keep spitting it out if they've actually hungry xx

Mnippy Mon 11-Nov-13 19:35:12

DP and I went out to the cinema the other day (matinee, I pumped and dumped on the way, baby was left with dad and a bottle of formula). It was BRILLIANT, I highly recommend! Lovely to come home and to have 'missed' him.

Natalieand Mon 11-Nov-13 19:35:19

flyer sorry u didn't manAge too make it out too dinner, how has A been today since her tongue tie was snipped? Xx

PseudoBadger Mon 11-Nov-13 19:39:27

I started using a dummy on Saturday MrsH; DS would never have one but C loves it - as long as she's not hungry! Looks awful though...

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 11-Nov-13 19:46:54

I hate it Pseudo, but its preferable to the screaming and snorting - plus my "only sleeping or screaming baby" is now calm and awake... I'd forgotten what his eyes looked like since they were either closed or screwed up!

Shirehobbit Mon 11-Nov-13 20:08:24

We've started with a dummy today, too. Not massively happy either, but better that than him using my nipples for comfort, or us offering a bottle when he's not looking for food but just to suckle as that makes a right mess.

xuntitledx Mon 11-Nov-13 20:29:24

Those who are giving dummies, did your LO take to it straight away?

We've tried but he doesn't like them at all and just keeps spitting it out!

Sanjifair Mon 11-Nov-13 20:33:14

stinker I was given pethidine just before starting to push, when I had been 3 cm only 30 min earlier. I thought I had hours to go, if I'd known I was fully dilated I would have declined it. Annoying.
I am in the 'still fat' club, have 1 pair of jeans that I can wear that I bought after DS was born. I am 2 dress sizes bigger than I should be. Had my boobs measured today as my maternity bras blatantly didn't fit properly. I am now a 34H, whereas I was 32DD before pregnancy! Can't see me fitting in a size 10 anytime soon with those boobs!
flyer hope things turn a corner for you soon.
Ladies who are EBF, when are you going to introduce a bottle. My DS rejected the boob in favour of the bottle so I don't want to introduce too soon. I was thinking about 6 weeks. I want to be able to leave DH with a bottle so I can go out running etc.

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 11-Nov-13 20:34:05

C certainly seems to have got the hang of it quite quickly.

ananikifo Mon 11-Nov-13 20:40:02

Parents and nephew are in bed so I can finally try to catch up!

Flywr I really hope things improve for our very very soon, both with A's health but also your own.

My poos are starting to hurt and I really hope it's not an anal fissure. I'm trying to make an effort to drink more as that may soften things up, too.

Thanks, chickie I'm absolutely exhausted with my family here but it's been lovely. I can't believe the gifts they've brought and I'm really excited about the food my dad will cook with the groceries he's bought. They're also much better at winding and soothing than we are. It is however a very full house and my poor nephew is stressed and jet lagged. I am even more in awe of mums who care for toddlers and newborns at the same time. I'm hoping tomorrow we can get out into Heaton park.

ananikifo Mon 11-Nov-13 20:49:36

sanji we tried a bottle for the first then this weekend, at 3 weeks, just so DH could have that bonding and a bit of a longer cuddle in the evening. J took one ounce at a time but accepted the bottle and I haven't noticed new latch problems since. I'm just worried that bottles will make colic worse. I also hate sterilising with a passion and find expressing inconvenient and weird so I'm not rushing to get bottle feeding going.

I've tried to give him a dummy about four times but he just spits it out so I've given up.

Shirehobbit Mon 11-Nov-13 20:54:09

Al kept spitting it out a couple of weeks ago, but I was advised to gently hold it in place for a while, which has worked. I couldn't say if it was because he's a bit older or because of the holding.
Ana - the weather is meant to be lovely here, tomorrow, so Heaton Park should be perfect smile

PseudoBadger Mon 11-Nov-13 21:22:43

Feel shit, achy and bleurgh. C hadn't stopped feeding all day and I also took DS swimming and for a long walk. Cooked his dinner with DD screaming on a sling.
DP cooked dinner and is running me a bath, and dd is fitfully asleep.

Wickedgirl Mon 11-Nov-13 21:37:01

We have given Amelie a bottle of ebm. First two times she was sick but the third time she had one, she kept the contents in. She has good days and bad for sickness. Today has been a bad day with three lots of projectile vomiting. sad

Wickedgirl Mon 11-Nov-13 21:38:13

Those three bottles have been spread out over the last 4 weeks. I can't believe how fast the time is going now. Amelie is four weeks old already!

StinkerBoo Mon 11-Nov-13 22:31:52

Sanji - my sentiments exactly, really hard to push when all you want to do is sleep! And I do feel I missed out a bit in the immediate post birth euphoria. DH was in tears and saying 'we have a son' and I just lay there! But then may not have made it through the pushing if I'd actually been more compass if that makes sense.

chickieno1 Mon 11-Nov-13 22:37:25

Bit of a tmi question, any of you with csection scars done any grooming/tidying up down there? I have dr s appt tomorrow and panicking about neatness hmm

Haylebop12 Mon 11-Nov-13 22:51:35

umlauf you may not have missed the boat. Isaac is now 7 weeks and I ditched the shields about 2 weeks ago (although just over half his feeds are ebm/formula) it's taken some practice but he's got it. Did B manage a latch without, in the early days I mean? All may not be lost. Google/YouTube exaggerated latch. That's what has helped us and helped me feel more confident about bf in public. Although still a little bit of a faf because we're still learning.

kiwee Mon 11-Nov-13 23:01:27

mnippy and whistling you may find this video vimeo.com/55658345 helpful. One of the girls from my antenatal class was having similar problems with tongue tie and her DS not opening his mouth properly but after having tie snipped has found the exercises very helpful (she was given link by the lactation consultant at the hospital).

chickie I hadn't even thought of grooming but have my 6 week check tomorrow too....may have to take care of things later now you've brought it up blush

Flyer747 Mon 11-Nov-13 23:04:25

Nat she seems fine after tongue tie snip, thanks for asking.

Chick I groomed the other day. Had to go slowly around the scar though, it was very over grown so for me needs must.

legallyblond Tue 12-Nov-13 02:29:05

Hmm..... I keep trying to give V a funny but she spits it out.... I'll try again. No need for H as he has lots of awake contented time. V increasingly has five mins here and there though. They're both smiling and giggling lots now grin

I really should try a bottle..... But DD was a bottle refuser and we managed just fine without one in the end.... By necessity!

legallyblond Tue 12-Nov-13 02:30:56

Funny = dummy!!!!

So glad they snipped A's tt Flyer flowers

Tulip2013 Tue 12-Nov-13 03:05:33

Anyone else up? My DD is a rather slow feeder so woke at 1.55 am and we're still going! I've had to use nipple shields too due to bad latch but we're slowly reducing the use and she's improving. I now just use them 1-2 feeds a day - though must admit the first few sucks are really painful!

Haylebop12 Tue 12-Nov-13 03:27:49

That's why I wanted to stop tulip at first I was scared though and had no confidence in attempting feeds without. Like I said previously even at 7 weeks were still working on his latch but there is an improvement. But, you have to do what's best for you and baby :-)

Tulip2013 Tue 12-Nov-13 03:41:57

It's so hard though isn't it. You would have though Mother Nature would have made bf easier on us poor sleep deprived mums wouldn't you! I think DD's latch has got better since we stopped using them so much. Though her feeding was WAY quicker before.this feed is now bearing the 2 hour mark - a record even for DD!

Mnippy Tue 12-Nov-13 03:44:10

I'm up!

No energy to relate details but DP was a major (insert incredibly rude genitalia-related noun of your choice here) last night. He thinks that his work is so important that it blinds him to the fact that me doing all the night feeds is taking its toll. While I know it's necessary for me to do them alone so he can work effectively the next day, he never lets me off in the evenings so I can go to bed early or rest. He just watches tv and thinks two nappy changes and 20 min of burping in the evening makes him an excellent co-parent.

Mnippy Tue 12-Nov-13 03:44:58

P.s. Thanks for the link Kiwee! Will try them.

Tulip2013 Tue 12-Nov-13 03:50:33

That whole thing about women never having total equality until men can get pregnant/give birth / bf is totally true isn't it!

Mnippy Tue 12-Nov-13 04:01:28

It is true, but am envious of those with DPs who try to redress the imbalance. I've been with DP for 12 years and never thought he would be like this. (Love the fact I said 'no energy to relate details' but then essentially did! Clearly anger gives me a bit of momentum!)

Sparkeleigh Tue 12-Nov-13 04:04:02

Checking in!

N also has tongue tie so thanks for those links... I'm expressing atm, but flip it tires you out. It adds about 30mins to every night time wakening. Have a horrible feeling that he's got so used to the bottle it'll be hard to get him onto the breast after its snipped too...

PseudoBadger Tue 12-Nov-13 07:44:58

Think I'm going to need brew and cake today - DS has woken up with a vomiting bug. Luckily he hadn't had breakfast so it is just water coming up, but he's moaning and just wants cuddles. How will I cope with a poorly, limpet toddler and a 5 week old? I need to split myself in two!

Sanjifair Tue 12-Nov-13 08:23:11

Ugh, I'm not very well. Some kind of virus I think. E went to sleep at 10, woke up at 2 for a feed, and then went straight back to sleep until 5. Unfortunately I just lay awake until morning feeling poorly. How irritating. I think she might have it too, very snorty and snuffly despite her Moses basket being tilted at the head end (and at least she was in it, first time we have managed a full night!) How many blanket layers are people putting on their babies in a 20 degree house? She had a vest, baby gro and 4 layers (below the arms as she waves them about) but she still felt cool to the touch.

Sanjifair Tue 12-Nov-13 08:29:59

pseudo that doesn't sound like fun.
.sparkeleigh that was the problem I had with DS. He had got so used to the bottle before the TT op that he just screamed blue murder when presented with a boob. Hope it doesn't work out like that for you.

PseudoBadger Tue 12-Nov-13 09:00:25

Sanji - not many layers at the moment as she seems to be quite a warm baby. She has a vest and babygro, and then one folded blanket which counts as two layers.

roofio87 Tue 12-Nov-13 09:08:39

we have vest, babygro, and 2.5 tog sleeping bag!

Wickedgirl Tue 12-Nov-13 09:32:58

this gives an indication about how many blankets to use

Sanjifair Tue 12-Nov-13 09:48:13

Thanks wicked though that implies I am using enough/ too many, but she still strikes me as cold. I will be moving to a 2.5 tog sleeping bag when she is 10 lb.

Flyer747 Tue 12-Nov-13 10:17:20

Mnippy get firm with dp. When A is crying at night and I'm tired I just say to dp that I'm going for a lie down and he will have to look after her for an hour! Don't give him a choice tell him you are going for a lie down.

Sanji we live in a very warm house. My rooms are 24degrees normally so I use a long sleeved vest and a 2.5 tog grobag. My believe gro bags are suitable from 8lb8oz.

I have a very fidgety baby who thrashes around when she's in a Moses basket so gro bags are so useful to ease my worry that she will end up with her blankets over her face.

roofio87 Tue 12-Nov-13 10:25:32

flyer I agree, I love the sleeping bags. defo so nice to not have to worry about him geting blankets over his face.
I bought mine from b&m bargains (don't know if that's a north/north west shop though) for £6.99. so not as expensive as official gro bags!!

xuntitledx Tue 12-Nov-13 10:30:59

sanji - when checking for temp, it's advised not to go off hand/feet as these would normally be cool.

I put my hand down the top of his babygrow to check how warm his chest and back feel.

legallyblond Tue 12-Nov-13 11:05:31

V controversial but I have found that all my babies sleep FAR better when wrapped up considerably more than the official guidelines. Both twins are now well over 8.8lbs (V was under that still at the weigh on before this one they're now 9lb7 and 11lb3 respectively) so I have moved into 2.5 tog gro bags. I have also started wrapping them up to my standards rather than the official... The room drops to 20 degrees. They're in long sleeved vests, baby gros, 2.5 tog bags and 2 cellular blankets (single layers). Their sleep noticeably and drastically improved on the night we first did this and has stayed good....

legallyblond Tue 12-Nov-13 11:20:19

And I do what untitled says to check temp.

roxvox Tue 12-Nov-13 11:56:42

It's interesting to read what you all dress your LO's in overnight. I definitely underdress A, but I am so paranoid about her overheating that I think I over compensate!

PseudoBadger Tue 12-Nov-13 11:58:47

As soon as I can be bothered I'll get the grobags down from the high cupboard

xuntitledx Tue 12-Nov-13 12:08:15

LO wears a vest and babygrow for bed.

We have a 1.5 gro-bag and a 2.5 gro-bag but waiting for winter to hit properly before we crack that bad boy out!

Last night he had a fleece blanket folded in half and tucked under his armpits as he likes to have his hands free.

Soupqueen Tue 12-Nov-13 13:01:14

Vest and babygro with 2 blankets here (which she usually kicks off but is far too wee for the sleeping bags). I'm constantly taking layers off while DH adds them!

To those saying only change a nappy at night if it's pooey - how do you know? I can never tell what's in the nappy until I take it off.

Adding to the variety of breastfeeding issues on the thread - it looks like I have thrush on my nipples. I knew the pain wasn't normal! Fingers crossed treatment works because I've been on the verge of jacking it in several times over the last few weeks.

JellyCurls Tue 12-Nov-13 13:10:50

I am with legally, our kids sleep better when wrapped up. Baby J wears short sleeved vest, babygrow, swaddled in a cotton shawl and covered in a cellular blanket. The cosier he is the better he sleeps and yes the health visitor constantly tells me off for having him too wrapped up.

6 week check over n done with. Got the all clear to drive again, to get bloods checked in two weeks as lost so much after section and scar all healed nicely. Got all clear to start exercising once I feel up to it so just need to get motivated now.

ananikifo Tue 12-Nov-13 13:13:53

We started using the 2.5 tog gro bag yesterday, with a vest and baby gro. Before that it was 2 layers of blanket with the same clothes. His body feels fine and his hands do get cold but apparently that's normal. Our house is very rarely colder than 19 degrees in the middle of the night.

Do the other bf mums get told they feed too much? Both my in laws and my parents make comments about how much time J spends on the breast. Dh's grandmother thinks feeding on demand causes colic because we feed too much. I know I'm doing the right thing but I think if I didn't have this threading would not have the confidence to tell them it's normal. I tell them it's necessary to build supply but then I feel like a "smug bf mum" because these are all women who didn't bf their babies (or had to supplement) because they didn't have enough milk.

Readyasilleverbe Tue 12-Nov-13 14:07:54

Hi all! Thanks for the advice re changing on fb. Left him in the end and tried not to think about it until he woke!
Just been to bf support gp and got 1 to 1 help with initial latch. Have been advised that I'm too full for him to latch so need to express before each feed to help make things softer. She said I could store in fridge and just keep adding to it and freeze it at the end of the day. Hopefully this will,be the break through!
Re clothing in bed: Cyrus is only just about 7 lb at 2 wks but I'm already using 2.5 tog gro bags . I just sewed in extra poppers under the arms so he can't wriggle down into them. He escapes swaddles and I get too scared about him pulling it near his face. And he kicks blankets off. Our house is so so so cold in the middle of the night and so he would wake up because of the cold. Now he's in bags he's happy as larry! I know officially he's too little but with the extra poppers I think it's relatively safe. So he has vest, baby gro with hands and sleeping bag which we pre warm with a water bottle!xx

takingachance Tue 12-Nov-13 14:14:17

ana my mum is always talking about stretching the feeds out to 4 hours apart because thats what she did with me, using water and dummies to stretch out the time! I guess I turned out fine, in fact pretty healthy! But I showed her the current research. She can understand my want to do it that way, but thinks I am just making life difficult for myself…

'controversial' -but is anyone putting their baby to sleep on their tummy? A is so much more comfortable on her tummy, but it does freak me out. I have read quite a few thread on MN and it appears that people are actually doing this more commonly than you would think. I have bought an angel care monitor and think i am going to try her on her tummy a bit more to give her a more comfortable sleep.

Taking with ds I went for a halfway house and put him down on his side from about 2 months. He hated being on his back due to reflux and I didn't dare put him on front, so used a rolled up towel up to his.chest, round under his feet and then up his.back to prevent him rolling onto front or back. This is still against advice, but worked for us.

Ana yes to the comments about feeding too much, not as much this time but it was constant with ds. I think its a combination of our parents generation doing things so differently, but also a bit of jealousy as they want cuddles, but baby just wants boob.

Just back from taking ds to see Santa at Harrods. He is 3 this Xmas eve so prime time for Santa excitement, so we had a great time. Slightly resent the 50 quid I ended up spending on 2 drinks, some mini burgers and posh fish finger and.chips, but there we are.

AnythingNotEverything Tue 12-Nov-13 15:32:07

Taking - I suspect on his front with a monitor is safer than on his back without. We often put DD on her tummy during the day if she's in a rage but haven't tried it at night yet. She currently goes down quite well ...

Anyone else experience a random hormonal surge at three weeks? I'm really pissed off all of a sudden, particularly at DH. I think I'm ready for him to go back to work. He's complaining about being tired, but spent an hour this morning shaving a few millimetres off the bottom of a door. Talk about priorities?! To be fair, he's done a good job looking after me, and does nappy changes in the night, but whenever I look around when I'm feeding in the night he seems to be snoring! Grrrrrrrrr!

AnythingNotEverything Tue 12-Nov-13 15:32:40

Sorry Taking - I meant "her" obviously!

takingachance Tue 12-Nov-13 16:31:52

Bowlful I have many been putting A on her side, but she still seems to get griping pains. On her tummy she seems to be totally comfortable..

anything A is probably the other way round - she will go down on her side by day, but seems better on her tummy at night, but that's not good for my restfulness, so I am hoping the monitor will ease the worry a little bit..

MrsHoratioNelson Tue 12-Nov-13 16:34:42

Hello all - took Doodle into work today which was a bit of a mission. DH and I work in the same office (as does my Dad, long story) so there are loads of people who wanted to meet him. He was well behaved throughout despite an explosive poo and we escaped unscathed.

Tried to get some kip when he did after we got back but he woke after 40 minutes, so that wasn't much good. I'm really struggling with this cold. Anyone actually manage to sleep when the baby sleeps during the day? Whenever I attempt it he wakes really quickly and I feel worse than if I hadn't bothered.

legallyblond Tue 12-Nov-13 16:45:58

Oh Lord, well done MrsHN, I'm yet to go in.......

I haven't had a single daytime nap yet with the twins hmm, but had lots with DD by co sleeping (just both crashing out, me with bra open, on the bed). I used to get 1.5 hours easily...

xuntitledx Tue 12-Nov-13 16:53:16

mrsh - I don't bother trying!

He's so random - sometimes he'll go down but wake up 20 mins later yet other times it'll be for a couple of hours. I've given up trying to sleep because I feel worse after.

I haven't even attempted naps with emilia as ds dropped his nap ages ago, but with ds I used to have exactly the same Mrsh - as soon as I started to drop off he would wake, and I frequently ended up in tears of frustration. I was very worried about about him never napping on his own or settling himself because of too much reading ans listening to advice, but at about 4 months thought sod it and did the same as legally, and we then hac lovely snuggling naps until mat leave finished. I wish I had co slept for naps from the beginning instead of stressing about 'self soothing'

takingachance Tue 12-Nov-13 16:53:44

When I am shattered in the middle of the night, I always think to myself I must nap in the day, but I actually never get round to it as too much to do!!

Excited85 Tue 12-Nov-13 17:08:33

My MIL is also obsessed with how regularly I bf dd. Each time she starts crying for food I have to practically prise her out of mils arms who will then start questioning when last feed was and that it was 'only' a couple of hours ago coupled with a big frown... Actually the more I think about it, she really is obsessed.

No naps here, as with some of you there's no predicting if it'll be 30 mins or 3 hours! Plus I feel much more groggy after.

Dd is 2 weeks and definitely prefers sleeping on her side. I've put her down like this in basket a few times with the intention of rolling her onto back when asleep but often I fall asleep in the meantime... Bad mum!

Also very frustrated as I look and feel like I'm pretty much back to the same size as I was pre pregnancy (8 top 10 bottom) but I can't even get my size 12 fat jeans over hips. Tried on some 14s today and even they were tight on hips though big on crotch and legs. Can your hip bones actually widen once you've had a pg? I'm stuck living in one pair if size 12 maternity jeans which fall down whenever I move!!!

emmoB13 Tue 12-Nov-13 18:09:26

So funny tummy sleeping has been mentioned because i was literally googling it at 4am this morning! H wouldn't settle, wind i think as he kept pushing to fart but on his stomach hes happy as larry. I googled and it said that babies on their backs are more likely to startle themselves awake if they stop breathing than babies on their fronts because on their fronts they are in a deeper sleep. I tend to put H on his side anyway as he hates being on his back and i'd love to put him on his front but now im too scared. The monitor with the pad would probably eliminate that problem though..

My sister who is only 19 has been getting gradually iller for the past 3 months. Mostly symptoms of the flu and she put it down to freshers flu as she is at uni. She came home last week and was admitted to hospital. She's had a biopsy on a lymphanode on her neck but the doctors are pretty sure it is Hodgkin's lymphoma which is cancer of the lympanode's. Im so desperately sad for her as the only treatment is chemo and shes so young sad my mum got the all clear from breast cancer last year so we are pretty aware of what chemo entails. They are discussing harvesting her eggs etc and the reality of whats to come is so depressing. They say its totally treatable it just sucks she has to face this at 19, she's meant to be at uni enjoy herself with her friends. We don't get the official results until Monday so we still have a little hope.

It just feels like something so amazing happened, me having H, and everyone is so besotted with him but then we have just come crashing back down to earth!

emmoB13 Tue 12-Nov-13 18:10:22

Sorry for the me me me post! Just needed to tell someone as we are keeping it within the family until results x

roofio87 Tue 12-Nov-13 18:16:12

emmo im so sorry for your sister. it must be a real shock for you all. but I'm glad they have found out what it is and can start treatment. I had cancer when I was 23 and while it was an incredibly hard time, 3 years on I have made a full recovery and obviously went on to have my beautiful boy. it doesn't have to be the end of things. make sure she finds some support, the teenage cancer trust are amazing and hopefully she can meet other young people in the same position.
sending hugs x

Natalieand Tue 12-Nov-13 18:19:34

emmo what truly horrible news, I hope she has a successful recovery xxx roofio just reading that u were 23 scares me as I'm currently 23 and now have two kids and I guess I'm foolish in that I think it will never happen to me. Cancer is so evil isn't it. X

thanks Emmo and family.

Flyer747 Tue 12-Nov-13 18:38:53

thanks To Emmo and your family. What awful news to hear. It's very sad for your poor sister. I wish her all the best in her treatment and recovery xx

found The thread yey! hey everyone hope you are well xxx

ananikifo Tue 12-Nov-13 19:03:59

Emmo I'm so sorry. I wish your sister and your family all the best. thanksthanks

Pinkush Tue 12-Nov-13 19:51:08

So sorry Emmo. We found out my mum had breast cancer when my ds was a few Weeks old (now thankfully all clear). It was such a strange time to have so much joy with ds who is her first grandchild then to crash back to earth with a cancer diagnosis . wishing you, your sister and family lots of love and hope your LO helps keep everyone positive. Xx

xuntitledx Tue 12-Nov-13 20:02:16

emmo - thanks to you and family.

DH had this type of cancer when he was 14 so firsthand experience of someone being treated and coming through the other side (if it helps for you to hear this!)

chickieno1 Tue 12-Nov-13 20:27:02

emmo sorry to hear about your sister. I have two good friends who've been successfully treated for Hodgkin s lymphoma. Thinking of you and your family flowers

Thanks for the advice about the green poos and grooming yesterday. Going to feed from one side at a time to see does that help the poo. I did some grooming this morning and all fine with the CS scar. How did you get on kiwee

Are any of you swaddling? When are you going to stop and go for sleeping bag? I was thinking 6-8 weeks? Not sure what weight dd is. Not being seen until vaccinations at 2 months. It has been pretty cold here the last few nights. I'd say room is 18 degrees or lower.

Pinkush Tue 12-Nov-13 20:56:26

chickie G is prob around 9lb now and 4 Weeks today. I've started using Ds's old sleeping bags this week as I never really got the hang of swaddling. She seems to settle much quicker after night feeds now she's in the bags so I'm a big fan!

Natalieand Tue 12-Nov-13 21:10:22

chickieo were swaddling and it stops H waking himself up from flinching every 5 seconds, I also swaddled dd and stopped about 5 months with her as she escaped it so often by then it was hardly worth it so I will do the same with him just carry on until he 'out grows' it x

emmoB13 Tue 12-Nov-13 21:39:00

Thanks for all your kind words. Just back from seeing her in hospital, shes allowed home after her blood transfusion tomorrow. She's in good spirits and seems positive for now although i suppose we have a week of hope before the results. Its so crazy how so many people are affected by cancer either themselves or someone they know.

Thanks roofio - sorry to hear of your story. She had a consultant come round and talk to her about the teenage cancer trust and they said they'd help her finish her uni course on time which cheered her up.

Baby H is in a gro bag although i have just changed the bag as my mamas and papas one was a bit crinkly sounding and woke him when he moved! He's now in a softer one and seems happier.

Mnippy Tue 12-Nov-13 23:32:09

Emmo - glad that your sis has lots of support. Am sure being an auntie to a cuddly newborn will hopefully be a good distraction. Becoming an auntie was a really precious thing to me.

Baby is 5 weeks and we're swaddling in Aden and Anais single Muslins on top of a sleeveless vest and babygro. It drops to 18-19 degrees at night, but he seems to be warm enough (he's small enough that the muslin wraps around quite thickly). He does sleep better when warmer, but I panic about overheating him. I do put a few too many layers on purpose to keep him docile eg when we have guests over and are watching him, but we're not supervising him in the middle of the night and I worry about SIDS.

Mnippy Tue 12-Nov-13 23:34:05

Our friend brought us a lovely grobag - only it's 3.5 tog. I don't think we can really use it as it is so warm - what do you all think? Seems such a waste.

Oh, and DP apologised for being a twat!

whistlingdixie Wed 13-Nov-13 01:20:07

Emmo so sorry to hear about your sis. My Mum is another cancer survivor, so more good vibes coming your way from here - Love & thoughts are with your family.

Kiwee thanks for link to video. Those exercises will definitely help!!
I am also going for help with alternative BF positioning.

Although all that's taken a back seat to an aggressive regime to get rid of a nipple blister & mastitis. Going to see HV tomorrow who will hopefully get me antibiotics and lance blister (ouch!) but for now I'm necking paracetamol, hot compressing and expressing to try to remove blockage (too painful to put chomping baby to boob to help out). shock

We put Thomas in his grobag for the first time tonight and he was 8lb 6 last week I presumed he would be big enough now (8lb 8). The grobag website gas two different charts which is confusing, for 19 degrees one says long sleeved vest, the other says sleep suit. We usually do short vest,sleep suit and one or two folded blankets.tonight his hands are freezing, I know babies hands are cold but this is colder than usual so I think I will add a vest again or some scratch mittens at least tomorrow night.

grobag chart 1
grobag chart 2 scroll down

Thomas has discovered he can turn his head from side to side and backwards while still pulling on my nipple. This seems to be his new favourite game. Ouch!

Ah it is only 16 degrees now brrr

Sephy Wed 13-Nov-13 06:02:31

LO has been waking every hour tonight at least twice for no apprent reason. Clean nappy, not interested in feeding. Deeply sleep again as soon as picked up. Don't understand why she won't stay settled in her cot!

Wasn't going to swaddle as she likes her arms and worried about hip problems (she was breech so already at risk of this) but perhaps that's what I need to do?

Or it could be wind I guess (DH convinced she needed her nappy changed from the sounds she was making before I woke up).

Anyone else solved a mystery like this? What am I not thinking of?!

xuntitledx Wed 13-Nov-13 06:11:36

Has anyone seen this? It's about a woman who has 'defined' baby language and can interpret babies cries.


We're still trying to figure it out and apply it to LO but the woman is right! (Watch the video first then use the key).

Natalieand Wed 13-Nov-13 07:29:17

Am I the only one not taking room temperatures? I'm just going by how I feel in the room and ds usually has a vest on baby grow swaddled in cellular blanket then another blanket folded a few times on too as I like to sleep with my window open a bit or its too stuffy

Haylebop12 Wed 13-Nov-13 07:42:08

No temp taking here either nat

Sephy Wed 13-Nov-13 07:44:23

That's reassuring nat as we have our window open too and I'm scared she gets too cold.

Untitled, that video is really fascinating! According to this, it's wind or discomfort keeping my LO up. Wish discomfort was a bit more specific!

Natalieand Wed 13-Nov-13 08:25:07

That's re assuring thought I was the only one, we have a room thermometer thing in dd's room the health visitor have us but the other day I walked in there thought Jesus Christ its like a freeZer in here looked at thermometer out of curiosity and if was inbetween the good and ok indicator so decided its definately best to go with my own instincts x

Dh and I haven't been getting on the last few days mainly because he's become purely lazy!! so baby H is going to my sisters for the 3 hours that big H is at preschool and I keep looking at him in his crib feeling guilty for wanting a few hours of breathing space?

Flyer747 Wed 13-Nov-13 08:37:32

Don't feel guilty Nat it's totally normal and natural to want a break. Enjoy your me time. Just because you are a mum to two kids doesn't take away from the fact that you are your own person and sometimes a bit of freedom is needed.

Readyasilleverbe Wed 13-Nov-13 08:51:27

Nat as soon as baby is asleep in bed in the evening I hide in the kitchen and cook dinner just so I can feel like the person I was a few weeks ago. Even though I've got stuff frozen to cook if I want!! Then before he wakes for 1st night feed I hide in the bath for half an hour for the same reason! I love him so much but it's such an overwhelming responsibility.
I find myself getting quite down at night if things don't go perfectly, stress myself out that I have pnd and then wake up in the morning fine. Is this familiar to anyone. Really don't think I'm depressed but get so worried about my feeling through the night especially when it's taking 20 mins for baby to latch on and he's getting mad. During the day I can cope when the latch is slow or the sleep doesn't quite happen when I had hoped but in the early hours there are often tears from me as well as baby. Feel very sorry for my amazing fiancé. Bringing tears to my eyes now thinking about the stress I must cause him when I'm crying at our baby in our bed. So want to be in baby bliss and enjoy every moment but find it hard to see the good at 4 am.
Maybe I'll feel better for getting it off my chest. Thank you! Hugs to all. Xx

Haylebop12 Wed 13-Nov-13 09:13:19

Gosh don't feel guilty nat my mum took both children on Sunday from 11am-3pm. Admittedly I was cooking a Sunday roast for them all but I actually enjoyed pottering round the house for the first hour tidying up with no one making a mess as a do it... Was thinking of trying to make it a regular occurrence!

Remember your not just a mum, your a woman, wife, sister, daughter etc too.

roofio87 Wed 13-Nov-13 09:16:58

sephy we've had a very unsettled night here too and its definitely down to wind. H has been waking himself up trumping all night. and has decided that 5 30 was a good time to be awake for the day!!

emmo I just wanted to say that although having cancer was obviously terrible I look back now and am so grateful for everything I learnt through that time and don't believe I would be where I am with little Hunter if things had been different and for that I'm really grateful.

roofio87 Wed 13-Nov-13 09:18:04

nat me and dp area getting out for a night this weekend leaving H with my mum and dad and I can't wait!!grin

Flyer747 Wed 13-Nov-13 09:31:17

I need to get this baby taking a bottle of expressed milk so we can go out. I can't imagine 6 months of not being able to go out because I'm b feeding it would do my head in. Sorry if that sounds selfish.

I was going to try the DR Browns bottles as I've heard good reviews of them.

I so desperately want her to take a bottle now.

Tulip2013 Wed 13-Nov-13 09:39:09

ready I know how you feel. The night time feeds are the hardest, though for me it's that period from 9-12pm when all I want to do is sleep but DD wants to cluster feed. I feel sorry for DH as he comes home around 7pm and having had a calm day and really enjoying snuggles with DD she and I are both in a tizz by the evening and my nipples are starting to get more sore. Once the daylight come again it all seems totally doable. I blame sleep deprivation but like you am aware of risks of PND. Also don't think I'm depressed just in need of more than 2.5 hours sleep at a time!

Flyer747 Wed 13-Nov-13 09:45:48

Ready I can see where you are coming from.

When nighttime falls I totally dread the hours ahead of me hmm it's terrible anxiety. I am going to the DR today though as I can't continue much longer feeling like I want to run away from my baby (I feel terrible writing this)

Everything is exasperated at night time. thanksthanks To you xx

Natalieand Wed 13-Nov-13 09:56:27

Thanks girls. Were off too Brighton to do a bit of Xmas shopping as my sister has offered too pick dd up from pre school if we over run.

I admire u breast feeding ladies as H had a bottle around 10.00-10.30 then goes through till 4 then wakes at 7, and he settles himself in the night and even I still get anxious going to bed thinking its too good to be true and any night now he's gunna be up screaming all night.

flyer how is A doing? I was thinking do u have a baby swing as that would keep her upright enough for her reflux but keep her on the move if that makes sense? X

Flyer I hope you get some good support at the dr today.

Ready I agree I get worked up when he won't latch and we both get frustrated especially as not waking DH to help anymore. Having a bottle of ebm ready by my bed just in case is a good back up for me and if we don't use it DH can do the first feed in the morning before work so I can sleep a bit. Hope you are feeling better today.

Flyer my sister reccomended dr brown bottles too, hope they work for you.

Thanks for the link about baby cry meanings, fascinating!

legallyblond Wed 13-Nov-13 10:29:22

flowers Flyer. I hope the dr is supportive. DD was a total bottle refuser despite my very best efforts..... I did get down about it but decided to stop letting it get in the way and to "go with the flow". It wasn't that bad!!! We lived in London then and (not sure how well you know London, but....) DD came to L'Escargot, Hakasan (sp?), Shorditch house and Soho House loads of times, Manoir aux quatre saisons etc etc... I'm sure A will take a bottle eventually, but maybe when you're feeling less anxious, it won't be so bad.

Interestingly, DD also wouldn't let me put a spoon in her mouth at six months, so we did baby led weaning out of necessity and ended up loving it!!

PseudoBadger Wed 13-Nov-13 12:00:37

Flyer have you tried a bottle if you're not in the house? That's what we did with DS as he wouldn't do it if I was there, I had to actually go out. But remember she's unlikely to be feeding so often for 6 months.

roofio87 Wed 13-Nov-13 12:04:57

I second that, not me, but my sisters dd would only take a bottle when sis was nowhere around at first. with her there I don't think she saw the point!

legallyblond Wed 13-Nov-13 12:20:52

Yes - like Pseudo said, A won't be feeding like this indefinitely! You'll get a good three/four hours in the evening and I used to honour for local drinks with friends in that "slot" x

legallyblond Wed 13-Nov-13 12:21:26

Honour?! Go out for!

Haylebop12 Wed 13-Nov-13 12:23:05

Silicone teat bottles were suggested to me flyer

Flyer747 Wed 13-Nov-13 13:30:04

Thanks for the advice folks.

I will try these suggestions. Fx.

Legally I love the fact that your dd went to soho house grin

So I posted on the fb page but for those that aren't on it the midwife has just been and good news Alexandra weighs 10lb1.5oz at 4 weeks old. We've been discharged and she has gone from gaining 8g per day to 23g! I'm so so pleased grin it's made my week and helped ease a bit of my anxiety.

GeorgieJo Wed 13-Nov-13 13:41:58

Ready I feel exactly the same way! During the days I am fine, but from about 6pm I start to feel anxious and if he won't settle by 9pm I am often in tears, feeling overwhelmed, and almost in pain from the tiredness. It is absolutely horrible.

Fortunately by 9am somehow it all seems to be bearable.

Only difference is I don't feel sorry for my DH! (He works away so is getting all the sleep he needs 4 nights a week)

I don't think it is PND either, "just" exhaustion.

Hoping that it will get better as S starts to sleep for longer stretches at night. (Trying not to think about how long it might take for that to happen...)

Flyer hope doctor is helpful, good luck with the appointment

Pinkush Wed 13-Nov-13 13:48:01

Congrats flyer! Fantastic news for you both of you- hard work has paid off! Regarding bottle feeding- have given G a couple of bottles of ebm which she seems to be ok with. However, ds was the same then when he was 6 months and the week before I was going back to work he went on bottle strike. Tried every bottle out there but he was so stubborn. In the end I breastfed before and after work. During the day he didn't drink anything for 6 Weeks! no cup or bottle but lots of petit filous! No lasting damage though so this time going to try and stay relaxed about it!

Pinkush Wed 13-Nov-13 13:49:15

PS could someone pls add me to the FB group,thanks!

Hooray flyer! Well done. smile And that was even with the tongue tie.

roxvox Wed 13-Nov-13 13:53:57

Ready I definitely know how you feel! I feel sorry for my DH too when he's woken up by the sound of his little girl crying and then sees me in tears too and there's nothing he can do to help! Possibly just a placebo, but I have been trying half a pint of Guinness at about 9pm, and have found that I am more mentally accepting of the fussy times/they don't seem as bad. Last night I didn't have any Guinness and I was up until 3 with A trying to bargain with her and I was getting really stroppy. I read somewhere about it being beneficial when you've got a baby who is fussy in the evenings and it appears to be working for me.

char1eston Wed 13-Nov-13 14:24:56

pinkush - if you pm me with your name and a description of your profile pic, I'll add you to FB.

legallyblond Wed 13-Nov-13 14:40:31

Yay Flyer!!! You bloody well did it!!! All of that was you and your efforts!!! I'm genuinely really happy for you grin

Ps - they loved her at Soho House! I ended up actually being sad when she got a proper bedtime and no bf as I couldn't take her out to bars! Taking her with me was easy, finding a baby sitter was not easy!

legallyblond Wed 13-Nov-13 14:42:03

Like Rox, I think a half pint of Guinness is fab! Prob a placebo but I'll take that!

legallyblond Wed 13-Nov-13 14:46:40

Ps - obviously I'm not promoting drinking alcohol as a solution for anxiety / depression!!! confused

legallyblond Wed 13-Nov-13 14:47:43

Ohh, and any news from Clapham on FB? Hello Clapham...?

roofio87 Wed 13-Nov-13 16:11:04

Hunter has been awake since 5 30 this morning with only 2 half hour naps all day!! he doesn't even seem grumpy, I don't know how he's still going!!!!!

emmoB13 Wed 13-Nov-13 16:14:48

Flyer I'm so pleased lo has put on so much weight!! Everything your doing is working and I hope it starts to get better, especially after you've seen the doctor x

Pinkush Wed 13-Nov-13 16:29:05

Thanks Char1eston! Have pm'd you.

MrsHoratioNelson Wed 13-Nov-13 16:56:08

Yes I was wondering about Clapham as well - she popped up briefly on FB.

Mnippy Wed 13-Nov-13 17:06:51

legall, I am inspired! I want to go to some nice restaurants with baby! Will have to check in advance though as we wanted to go out on Sunday, arrived at the rspestaurant and they had a poncey no children policy. We went to Galvin La Chapelle the day before my c section as we thought it would be our last posh meal!

Well done flyer!

Had some cider yesterday evening and definitely took the long evening feed with more equanimity than usual.

Slippysnow Wed 13-Nov-13 18:12:28

Oh! I've just caught up with everything therefore have lost my night time feed reading.

emmo what awful news, wishing your sister all the best.
flyer congrats, I hope the tongue tie op helps and a continues on her positive path. Ds has a tongue tie but we are one of the lucky ones- hoping it stays that way.

I can't wait to get ds into a grobag, I'm currently loosely swaddling (with arms out), then a folded light blanket. Vest and sleep suit. He seems ok, occasionally kicks it off but would prefer less faff in transferring from feed back to sleep.

I will be leaving ds to return to work in 2 weeks (he will be 1month) I only do 3hours and dp will look after him. Despite how early it is, I have a good feeling about it. C is low maintenance and is taking a bottle of ebm. I just don't like expressing, it's a faff to be honest.

Oooh I have a question, those who express how often do you sterilise your pump.

This may be a newbie stupid question but anyone who sterilises what do you do with the excess water gathered in the bottles. I use the tommee tippie steam one.

clapham are u about, delayed reply to your question I was in room 25 to deliver, then room 29 for my day admit.

GTbaby Wed 13-Nov-13 20:17:40

Slippy. I leave the water in the bottles. You can shake the water out. But you can't dry with a clothes as otherwise no longer sterile.

legallyblond Wed 13-Nov-13 21:16:13

So, a good day here. The day "worked", albeit V continues to be rather "Velcro", e.g. Often needs plucking out of true pushchair for a quick cuddle / settle when out and about. But she seems much happier now, lots of smiles etc. They're 9 weeks, but I think have a "corrected" age of more like 6 weeks. If anyone who's bf is interested, this is what the last couple of days has looked like:

7pm - feed in dark bedroom with "womb" white noise, cluster feeding with 15 odd mins for shower etc
9pm - feed
9.30pm - asleep for the night (me too!)
V only - midnight feed
2am - both feed
4am - feed
6am - feed
6.30 onwards- dozing in cot / propped up on our bed with cushions etc, DD and I get ready, then twins in bouncy chairs during breakfast
7.45 - feed then school run and long nap, all in pushchair
10.15 - feed and awake time in bouncy chairs then sling (V)
12.30 - feed then nap (in pushchair for now)
2.30 - "dream" feed then more nap in pushchair for school run
4.45 - feed then dozing / awake time in bouncy chair (H) and sling (V)
6.15 - bath etc
7pm - feed in dark bedroom

Tbh, I think I give a feed too many in the afternoon - I have to wake them at 2.30 - but if I didn't do this, they would need a feed at exactly the moment DD needs to be collected...

Flyer - what did dr say re anxiety?

roofio87 Wed 13-Nov-13 21:43:30

legally I'm so glad you all seem to be settling into a routine, I don't know how you do it. but then with ur dd as well I suppose you have to. we have no set pattern at all but seeing as it's just me and H most of the time I can wing it and just go with the flow. he sleeps at night which is all I really want!!

flyer hope the dr was helpful today.

It's dp's bday tomorrow and we're heading to my parents for the weekend. they own a b&b in a gorgeous little country town so its like a proper holiday (and its free grin ) I can't wait as I don't really feel like we've had the opportunity to just relax and enjoy being a family yet!!

takingachance Wed 13-Nov-13 21:53:51

legally I think your routine is very similar to mine, though I only have one baby rather than two, and an 8 yo who gets herself ready for school! But like you, I kind of have to adjust feeds slightly to take account of when I am picking up/dropping off dd1. Fortunately, A seems a very flexible baby!

The strange thing I am finding with A is that unlike dd1, she doesn't need to feed to sleep, she will actually just lie down and fall asleep! I can't quite believe it as dd1 needed to feed to sleep until she was about 2.5yrs!! I suppose things will probably change…

I am also loving the angel care monitor - sat here listening to the little 'bips' that show she is breathing! Only the second evening I have put her to bed in her cot and come downstairs for a while before I go to bed. I probably should go to bed myself, as she only goes about 2.5 hrs between feeds, but enjoying the novelty of a little 'normality'!

takingachance Wed 13-Nov-13 22:00:00

I also wanted to ask - does anyone else's baby only bf for about 5-7 mins? That is the normal length of A's feed, with occasionally a 'long' 15min feed perhaps once or twice a day.
She is gaining well and plenty of wet/dirty nappies, so I guess it is normal for her, I just remember reading on here that someone was told that a 5min feed is just a snack and they should be feeding for 30-40 mins! A has never done that!

kiwee Wed 13-Nov-13 22:20:50

chickie - 6 week check was fine thanks. The grooming was relatively easy as my scar is a couple of cms above hairline (not sure why!). But sad to have had final appointment with my lovely midwife though.

Emmo so sorry to hear about your sister. Hope she's feeling a bit better after transfusion.

C's just had her 6 week immunisations. She cried a little bit during injection but seemed to forget about it quite quickly!

Yay for flyer and A - excellent work!

Another 300g and C should be big enough to use her grobags...

legallyblond Wed 13-Nov-13 23:41:25

Taking - re the self settling, H is like this! Amazing! I also fed DD to sleep until I stopped bf at 2 years. Tbh, it totally didn't matter - she fed to sleep and then just self settled as soon as she "had" to aged 2. She's a great sleeper. V is we more like DD... H I think will sleep through fairly soon - he self settles and will go hours already! It's v helpful that he's so relaxed as V is much more high maintenance!

Also, neither DD nor the twins have ever fed for more than ten mins and all gained / are gaining like troopers. Ime, MWs and HVs talk bollocks re lengths of feed...

GTbaby Wed 13-Nov-13 23:46:55

Taking. For the record, I'm jealous. wink Lo takes anything from 20-50 min feeding.

Mnippy Wed 13-Nov-13 23:53:51

For those choosing to swaddle, I found this video to be helpful and reassuring... hipdysplasia.org/developmental-dysplasia-of-the-hip/hip-healthy-swaddling/

GTbaby Wed 13-Nov-13 23:57:28

Legally. Just read your routine. Makes me a lil more determined to do more with my day.

I managed my first shower for the week today. I feel like a slob. I don't do anything other then tidy a lil. Cook a bit (mostly mil does it). And rest of the time I look after lo and try and play with ds 1 as much as possible.

Pushchair collected yesterday. Just waiting for attachments so car seat can go on and we are set for project "get out more". Thursday is library baby rhyme day, so hoping they make delivery tomorrow morning.

MrsHoratioNelson Thu 14-Nov-13 00:36:10

Gah! I am so cross with DH - he was meant to be having Weds - Fri. Now he's only taking Friday off and had basically lied to me about it. It's a long story but he has form for this sort of thing.

Then after the last feed I went to bed and he settled C. Except he spent the whole time shouting practically and wondered why he wouldn't settle. Now he's waited until C is completely hysterical before bringing him back for the next feed so it makes life realty difficult for me (not to mention painful as C clamps on for dear life). And to top it all off, he's unplugged my iPod which was charging so he can play white noise on it so now its got no battery for me while I feed C. A series of small things that has really pissed me off.

He does whatever the hell he likes so long as he's alright jack. And I'm completely sick of him putting work first every single time - I have been relying on him to have this time off so I can have a break and he just doesn't give a shit.

roxvox Thu 14-Nov-13 00:42:17

I try to get out most days. It's difficult when A has me awake until the early hours though, so we rarely get out of bed much before midday. Today our 'outing' was to Tescos. The other day I took her to Lloyd's bank. Yep, she is seeing the sights! Trouble is that if I take her anywhere longer distance then I'd need to feed her when I arrive!

taking A's feeds vary dramatically. Usually they last about 20 minutes on average (almost always with multiple unlatches and re-attachments in between) but sometimes she'll be done in about 5 minutes. Very rarely she'll have a really long feed without coming off and fussing. She's been latched on to one boob now for almost an hour, which is very out of character! Fx she's getting loads of hind milk and will sleep well tonight!

GeorgieJo Thu 14-Nov-13 01:22:04

taking and legally I am extremely jealous of the 10 minute feeds!

S is never done in less than 25 minutes and almost always needs around 40 minutes. Just settling in now for our first middle of night feed, and I am battling a cold which is no fun at all.

Mrs HN sorry you are having a tough time with your DH. Mine also puts work above everything else, and is away a lot. I had to have a meltdown last week to make him realise it wasn't OK and I needed more support. Manic sobbing and a little bit of screeching seemed to get the message through - he has been much better this week. Presumably you have tried shouting explaining what you need?

roxvox Thu 14-Nov-13 01:33:41

Sorry to hear you're having DH problems MrsHN ... I hope he starts to see sense and realise that he needs to help you in a more thoughtful way soon!

Going on from our conversation about what our babies wear at night; Boots have a sale on their Gro bags. I have only had a quick look through, but it would appear that some of the girls ones are half price, and the boys ones are quite heavily discounted too. Link here

xuntitledx Thu 14-Nov-13 06:34:47

Just had our first 'poosplosion' sad

Head to toe in shit and piss and he then turns his head and throws up, nice!!

Had to strip him down and wash him off before rinsing his soiled clothes in the bath, argh nightmare!!

MrsHoratioNelson Thu 14-Nov-13 06:54:10

I've tried explaining Georgie - he just sulks. It's bad enough trying to drag an apology out of him at the best of times,et alone when he thinks I'm being unfair somehow.

Mnippy Thu 14-Nov-13 08:09:27

untitled - they are quite something aren't they! MnipJnr also likes yo poo AS he is being changed. Is gross.

thanks and brew MrsHN.

I always say to DP that the problem is often about how he communicates things to me I.e. Saying 'am so sorry darling, I know you were expecting me to be free on Sunday but I really have to work' instead of nonchalantly mentioning on Sat night 'I won't be able to go to XY event actually, I'm working tomorrow'.

GeorgieJo Thu 14-Nov-13 08:55:29

MrsHN it is extraordinary that they don't seem to understand what it is like for us. It is a also a but depressing. I always felt strongly about gender equality and now I realise it is a total fantasy. There is no chance that we will have equal responsibility for childcare, even when I am no longer bf, I just can't see it happening :-(

Mnippy S also poos while being changed. Most days at least once...

GTbaby Thu 14-Nov-13 09:07:10

Rox I'm fully expecting my outings to similarly being at local store to pick up milk. Or just round the block. Well done for getting out at all!

MrsHoratioNelson Thu 14-Nov-13 09:10:28

Mnippy exactly - he let me have a conversation with him about going out today, and completely omitted to mention that I'd be doing it on my own...

So sod it, I am going to go out without him and buy coffee and cake smile

pinkbuttons Thu 14-Nov-13 09:32:02

Sorry to hear about problems wih Dh mrsH we have the same problems here so you have my full sympathy. we had an argument last night as DH has 12 days of leave left which was deliberately saved so he could help when baby arrives but now hes too busy at work too take them angry instead of planning his time and holiday properly he will know lose 7 of those days as can only carry 5 over to next yr. and only thought to mention this last night when I asked him when he was taking them. have bugged him for months about booking it and he obviously left it knowing this would happen. I would rather hed have used them at some point in the yr instead of leading me on! sorry to take over the husband rant but enjoy your cake! im thinking of doing the same.

untitled you've done well to get this far! DS always asks if I needs new clothes when she poos now.

DS started preschool yesterday and so far so good. I felt awful like I was shipping him out now that new baby is here but he seemed to enjoy being around other children and I just feel like I cant do as much with him now though we still go to 2 playgroups a week. hes onky going weds and Thursday morning but I miss him.

Hope everyone had a good night. reflux still awful here but after a cry yesterday just getting on with it.

Also legally still amazed at how your doing so well. glad H is such a good baby though sounds like hes doing his best to make life a bit easier smile x

takingachance Thu 14-Nov-13 10:20:25

Well I think my post last night completely tempted fate!!! Just had the worst night so far, after A went down so well in the evening, she woke at 1130 and was awake with colic until 2am, then awake again at 4 until 6am then I gave up and got up. She has decided not to feed properly from my right breast - she has never done as well on that one anyway, but all night and this morning she just latches on then stops sucking and just clamps - so sore! I can see that the milk kind of just drips out once she has done the initial suck so it is like she is just letting it dribble into her mouth for no effort! Consequence is that my right boob is engorged and sore and feels on the verge of mastitis again so I have got the expressing machine out for the first time and I am going to try and clear it by expressing and then see if she will latch properly. If not, I'm not sure whether to just feed from the left or keep expressing from the right and do some expressed bottle feeds. Just a bit paranoid that once she takes a bottle (if) then she will give up on latching altogether. DD1 would never take a bottle.

cake and thanks to all those struggling with DH/DPs - my DH is having to go away quite a lot with work from this weekend so I'm dreading that..

whistlingdixie Thu 14-Nov-13 10:36:05

Haven't had a chance to catch up on thread but just wanted to pop on to say a big THANK YOU to xuntitledx for posting that link to baby language. This has made such a huge difference as I am now starting to hear the difference in LO's cries and I can figure out what he needs before he goes ballistic :-)

whistlingdixie Thu 14-Nov-13 10:37:00

Well, I can figure it out at least 50% of the time which in my books is a win ;-)

roxvox Thu 14-Nov-13 11:45:34

whistlingdixie I've been meaning to thank xuntitledx too! I can only remember a few of the noises, but I am surprised at how often my baby says 'eh' and needs to be burped! She's burped far more since I watched that video (because I have been winding her every time age says 'eh'!)

JellyCurls Thu 14-Nov-13 12:02:30

Sorry not doing a good job at posting but having problems with DD1 at the moment which are taking over, I am trying to keep up with reading during night feeds though.

Anyway baby J had his 6 week check and is 11lb 13oz and a massive 60.5cm long!! He has failed on head lag during the pull to sit test so with that and him turning blue I think we may be getting referred to peadiatrics. Thought J might be my healthy baby but turns out I may have been wrong

Sorry for me post, just needed to tell someone about baby J that will listen

Flyer747 Thu 14-Nov-13 12:16:14

Oh jelly big hugs thanks what is it that could be wrong with baby J? I hope it's just the docs and hv being overly cautious.

Fx for you and j xx

JellyCurls Thu 14-Nov-13 12:27:23

Hopefully just got hyper mobility like me and other 2 kids but no ideas about going blue. Hoping doctor says we need to emigrate to the Caribbean as baby J finds Scotland too cold but doubting that will be his response

GTbaby Thu 14-Nov-13 12:37:48

MrsNH hope you enjoy your cake!
I did similar other day. Asked DH several times to go out and get something. In the end I had a rage and walked out. (Lo had just finished feeding so I knew he would be ok for half hour). It felt so nice not having to relay on him. Although I didn't take the kids.

Still Waiting for car seat attachment for push chair. So stuck at home again. Hope it comes tomorrow ! I want to take my new push chair out hmm

xuntitledx Thu 14-Nov-13 13:05:08

Glad it's helped!

Yes I notice the eh sound now too. Want to watch it again with DH to remember the others.

Just been to HV and Thomas gaining weight nicely but she asked the gp to come in and look at his face and we have been referred to the prolonged jaundice clinic at the hospital sad I thought it was pretty much gone but it seems not.

Jelly did he go blue everywhere? I missed that. Blue around lips MW told me was wind but presume it is more than that? Hope all is well and they are just checking to be sure.

Trying to leave the house..............Nappy change, as soon as poppers all done up, Poo, nappy change, quick feed, Poo! and another Poo! Cluster pooing! I'll never fit in the shop b4 school run now, good jobs he's cute smile

grin cluster pooing!

JellyCurls Thu 14-Nov-13 15:52:04

Orange it's his feet legs hands and arms that go blue, feet and hands blue arms & legs more mottled but he's not cold. Worst time his body went kind of purple but when we went to GP he was a very healthy pink - typical.

Laughing at cluster poos, we don't have that but we do have projectile poo if nappies off.

Followed link to crying babies and J took it upon himself to copy sounds as they were being played, quite cute

Flyer747 Thu 14-Nov-13 15:56:42

I hope all will be ok jelly.

I have picked up on the Neh cry from that video meaning I want feeding

Flyer747 Thu 14-Nov-13 15:57:50

This thread moves so slow these days. I miss all the old regular posters, come back everyone.

Did you make it to the go flyer? Hope it went ok?

Thomas cried tears for the first time this afternoon (I ran upstairs to grab a coat leaving him in his bouncer. What a cruel mummy I am!)

Flyer747 Thu 14-Nov-13 16:17:14

I went to the gp and had a long chat as I'm breast feeding there are only a few limited medications which I can take and even those aren't 100% safe so I decided to give it another 2 weeks and if things don't improve then I will have to go onto medication but I'm hoping that it's all the stress of recent events, feeding, reflux, sleep deprivation and now things are settling my mood will also pick up.

I feel better already knowing that A is finally gaining weight and feeding better. Fx as I really don't want to take anti D's it's a last resort for me. I've been on them in the past and was hoping to avoid having to rely on them again.

GTbaby Thu 14-Nov-13 16:50:13

Just had a spat with DH. He was taking ds1 out to give me a bit if a break. But kept asking me what was in his rack sack. I KEPT saying "I don't know". Ended up in a shouty "I don't know, go fucking look"
Which descended into stop shouting /your an idiot/ fuck off type of spat.
Which all negates him trying to give me a break by taking DS1 out.

That seems a sensible choice flyer if you feel you can cope for now and I really hope things continue to improve. I really admire you for sticking with breastfeeding, you've had a tough time with A. But you mustn't feel as if you shouldn't have pnd in a couple if weeks just because things are getting easier with feeding/sleeping. People with 'easy' babies get pnd too. You could ask for cbt instead to avoid medications perhaps? I am not sure how it works, the only person I know who did it had anti depressants as well but worth asking?

Jelly that is scary about the blue limbs. Typical all is fine on the day you gp to get it checked.

dontworryjustpanic Thu 14-Nov-13 18:13:10

I'm a bit behind on thread but just thought I'd post my random top tip! Envelope neck vests can be removed downwards so that you don't smear LO's head with poop after a nappy explosion. Can't believe I never knew/realised this when DS was still at that stage. Hope this saves some of you sponging poop out of baby's hair at 3am!

Right, I have some reading to do!

legallyblond Thu 14-Nov-13 19:14:07

Ha Dontworry - I remember discovering that with DD!

Glad to hear you ate feeling a bit more positive flyer, and hope things continue to improve for you.

Jelly and orange, hope you get the all clear soon. Orange, ds was jaundiced for weeks apparently but I could never see it!

I got my first smile today, which is about bloody time because daddy has been getting them for days now. I have been a hit down today though, as I feel I am just constantly trying to fob one of the children off so I can see to the other, and as a result am not really giving either of them any proper attention. I suppose its normal, but did have a little cry to myself.

Gt that sonds so familiar. I really try to keep my cool with so and not talk to him like he is a moron in front of ds, as he is 3 and picks up on EVERYTHING, but sometimes its impossible. He moans about me treating him like a child, but then wants me to spoon feed him. Drives me round the bend.

Those that have had the 6 week baby check, what's involved as I can't remember a thing about ds's?

Natalieand Thu 14-Nov-13 19:45:51

I have posted on Facebook but I no not everyone is on there and hoping for a bit of advice, baby H is all congested and coughing he's 4 weeks 1 day is there anything he can have to help ease it a bit for him?

Shootingstarsandcomets Thu 14-Nov-13 20:16:31

bowl I feel exactly the same re fobbing a child off to someone else. I feel like I'm not doing right by either. Ds1 is also starting to be rather jealous which I thought wouldn't be a problem at 15 months but he cries whenever I give b his bottle and is just generally much more clingy and whingey. I feel so guilty for turning his little world upside down and then I feel guilty for not giving enough of myself to baby b.
I don't think I've had a day yet where I haven't cried and I feel so down about it all. I love my boys but it's so hard.
Sorry for me post but just had to say that.

legallyblond Thu 14-Nov-13 20:18:04

Nat - don't think he can have any over the counter meds but make sure you prop his cot right up - the tilt really helps congestion. Of course, keep an eye in his temp and whether he's dribk

legallyblond Thu 14-Nov-13 20:18:22

Sorry - drinking.

Nat I think the only thing that may help is saline drops for nasal congestion, pretty sure they are ok from birth but I never found them that effective.

Shooting I can imagine its even harder with such a small age gap, 15 months is still a baby and they still need so much from mummy. Although at least he can't verbalise it - ds told me last night that I don't love him when I am feeding the baby sad. I know deep down its fine and normal, I mean I have two younger siblings and I am not emotionally scarred by my parents having more children, but its still tough thanks.

Natalieand Thu 14-Nov-13 20:49:32

Thanks, called 111 as took his temp and if was around 38 and they have asked to see him immediately so were I. Our way to local hospital now x

Hope all is ok Nat

Good luck Nat, I am sure he us fine, but at least the docs should be able to give him some paracetamol x

legallyblond Thu 14-Nov-13 21:02:06

Best thing Nat. They can give him Calpol but you can't! X x

Haylebop12 Thu 14-Nov-13 21:10:52

bowl all they did at Isaacs 6 week check was weight, length and head circ.

Haylebop12 Thu 14-Nov-13 21:12:01

Oh dear Nat hope baby H is ok x

Natalieand Thu 14-Nov-13 21:31:27

On our way home he's got a cold and temperature and can have 2ml calpol every 6 hours they said to just keep an eye and if gets any worse take him to normal gp tommorow x

Flyer747 Thu 14-Nov-13 21:44:24

Hope H improves Natalie thanks

Shooting it must be pretty tough and full on with such a small age gap. You are doing a fab job and I'm sure in time that age gap will be such a benefit when ds1 and ds2 start playing together and are best friends thanks

Orange I hope Thomas is ok with the jaundice. Personal experience is that hv and mw tend to over react, of course it's always best with a baby to air on the side of caution but all the hv mw have put the fear of god in me recently. It's only when I've seen the experts (consultant pediatricians) that I've been reassured, they've often looked at me and my baby and wondered why on earth we'd been referred to them.

legallyblond Thu 14-Nov-13 22:08:51

What Flyer said, Orange! We were referred to jaundice clinic for both twins. They took bloods but the paediatrician looked at them and was sort of: "So.... Bf babies otherwise totally well (alert, gaining weight, wees not dark and poos not pale)? Okaaaay...." We didn't need the lamps following the blood tests thank goodness!

GTbaby Thu 14-Nov-13 23:02:52

Shooting big hugs x
I feel exactly the same. Ds1 bumped his head other day. I was feeding lo so didnt jump straight up as I could see it was a lil bump. But he start crying and was holding his arms out to me. I felt so bad.
More often ds1 wants his bottle as I feed lo. So having to feed lo on one boob. While I put ds1 head on other leg while he is laying on sofa so I can give him his bottle.
Doesn't help that he won't hold his bottle or feed himself. Lo will be BLW, no spoon feeding for him.

Nat glad he has been seen. Hope his temp comes down soon x

Shirehobbit Thu 14-Nov-13 23:04:37

We had very similar reactions from the pediatricians when admitted with Al's weight loss - their take on the situation was so much more pragmatic than the mw; so you're breastfeeding comfortably, your son is not distressed or dehydrated, but is losing weight daily? Well feed him formula as well as bf. Simple solution - no bf/ff emotional guilt in their reasoning.
One actually asked,"Why have you been admitted?"

Shootingstarsandcomets Fri 15-Nov-13 05:20:27

Hope H is better soon nat. Poor little chap.
So glad it's not only me struggling with two. When you're on your own all day you think it must just be you that is a complete mess! Just must keep remembering it won't last forever!

Natalieand Fri 15-Nov-13 07:53:34

Sorry for the me posts earlier, I was having a mini panic, I have brought some nasal drops which seem too offer enough relief 4 him to drink his milk without suffocating lol but he's not a happy bunny my poor baby!

shooting so so sorry your still feeling upset and down, is there anyone that can help u in the day times? As someone else said lots of us have siblings with close age gaps and aren't scarred from it

glad the nasal drops helped a bit and you got some calpol Nat.

thanks flyer, legally and shire. i am sure he is fine but wouldn't want to refuse if hv and gp a bit worried. not looking forward to holding him down while they take two tubes of blood from his hand. spoke to an Nct friend who had the same and that's what they do.sad

pinkbuttons Fri 15-Nov-13 08:37:45

morning all
Glad H was seen nat poor thing.
Glad things are a bit more positiveflyer

Another one here struggling with 2 and feel like im not doing very well with either. Am currently being asked to play catch whilst feeding and D
had disaster at 6 am because DS tried to take himself to the toilet because "isla was more sad" cue 2 yr old falling off tge toilet mid wee sad DS is being so good and lovely that ot breaks my heart when I have to say no.

What a sweetie pink!

ImpOfDarkness Fri 15-Nov-13 09:21:25

Aw that's so sweet pink!
Anyone else's baby had fizzy green poo?

Yes a few of us have imp. Probably nothing to worry about unless other signs unwell eg fever or if it is every poo every day.

Slippysnow Fri 15-Nov-13 14:32:22

I know for most of you 2 week old baby's are a distant memory, but...

My ds still has dry skin around his wrists and ankles, I was told to use olive oil it doesn't seem to shift it, any ideas?

Also when have you introduced baby bubble bath or things like sudocrem? He has a slightly red bum so using an organic balm ATM but curious. We are being a family of soap dodgers and just topping and tailing, he wasn't pleased about bath time.

untitled thanks for the baby language link, v helpful he had been suffering with trapped wind (low) and it help diagnose ;)

nat hope your lil boy is a bit better today.

Hi slippy, we just used olive oil, but after a bath as the oil absorbs better into damp skin. Bubble bath, sudocrem, baby wipes - you name it, emilia had them from day 1, but then she is a neglected 2nd child smile

Natalieand Fri 15-Nov-13 14:46:01

He's no better than last night unfortunately slippy and still has a temp,

What this crying video? I feel I could use some of this advice especially ATM when I don't no if he's crying Cos he feels like crap or tired or hungry

Slippysnow Fri 15-Nov-13 14:50:28

Haha, thanks bowlful I think I'm less pfb than dp. I've been using wipes but I get told off and he's asking dr google for advice all the time!

Lovely really, but I prefer doctor mumsnet

StinkerBoo Fri 15-Nov-13 14:51:56

My sixteen day old has dry skin on his hands (so do I, extreme hand washing), does olive oil work Slippy?

Slippysnow Fri 15-Nov-13 14:54:28

Sorry to hear that nat,

Here is a summary and link to the video, which is the easiest to understand the language



heh=discomfort (temperature, clothing, diaper change)

eair=lower gas

eh=burp (upper gas)

Pinkush Fri 15-Nov-13 14:55:17

slippy I used Vaseline on cracked wrists and ankles. I avoided all bubble baths, shampoo etc with ds. However, this time I just dip G in her big brother's bath and he always has bubbles. Her skin seems less dry and sensitive than his. Have been using Sudocream or,metanium,from the start and her bum has been peachy!

Slippysnow Fri 15-Nov-13 14:57:20

It seemed to work on his tummy and the larger areas, it's slightly improved the ankles. But The hands remain dry.

The midwife recommended it or sunflower oil (but no nut oils incase of allergy) it's also used for baby massage, which has helped his trapped windsmile

HV recommended olive oil. or e45. we only use water in his bath at the moment. but have moved from cotton wool to water wipes for nappy changes and used bepanthum as barrier cream since day two.

Mnippy Fri 15-Nov-13 15:53:21

We used water wipes and bottom butter from very near the beginning, using sudocrem and giving air time whenever his bum looked a little red. He has a full almond oil massage after a bath too. The peeling skin goes after a few days or a week, don't worry.

Flyer747 Fri 15-Nov-13 16:19:28

I used cotton wool for first 2 weeks since we've been using huggies pure wipes. Today (one month old) I used some organic lavender bath stuff and lavender oil very small amount on her skin after.

Used sudocream from beginning as advised by midwife

Excited85 Fri 15-Nov-13 16:57:38

Very Unknowledgable first time mum here - with Sudocream do you slap this on everywhere (I.e. All over bum cheeks) or just around top of legs etc where nappy might rub? Sorry prob a stupid question!!!

I put it everywhere excited as nappy rash can be from sitting in poo and wee rather than rubbing.

Natalieand Fri 15-Nov-13 18:03:43

excited sudocreme is most effective when used sparingly I only use it if he's sore I don't use it as a preventative x

Mnippy Fri 15-Nov-13 18:11:45

Yes, I heard the same - sudocreme should be used sparingly over the affected red parts. If you want to prevent nappy rash in the first place, layer on lots of a barrier cream everywhere. Nappy rash is caused by the chemical reaction of poo and wee together, so the barrier cream buys a bit of time before the chemicals reach the skin.

Excited85 Fri 15-Nov-13 18:36:24

Ahh thank you. She hasn't really been too red but I'll keep an eye on it. By barrier cream Mnippy do you mean something like Vaseline?

As a side note how do you all know this stuff?!! I need to swot up on possible problems/illnesses by looks of it!

apperleydapperley Fri 15-Nov-13 18:55:45

thanks for the baby language video untitled - v interesting. i find 'eh' the easiest to identify too. my boy also has a bored/protest cry more like 'ahh' if i leave him somewhere he doesn't want to be.

Hope H is better nat so scary when they have a temp when that little x

It is so hard splitting attention between siblings - harder when they are v little as they don;'t understand and it is heartbreaking when they show their hurt feelings sad My other 2 DCs are old enough to understand most of the time, although 3yo DS does get impatient when i can't drop all and run to him when i'm feeding. Guilt seems to come as part of parenting...

I have just started using a baby wash for bathtime at 5 weeks and after using cotton wool and water for first couple of weeks now using pampers sensitive wipes. Also i just use sudocreme v sparingly as required - works a treat. in fact it goes such a long way that i have never bought any - i have loads of the little freebie pots from eg bounty pack and they have always lasted!

My placid baby seems to have gone wrong in the last few days. He increasingly won't settle other than when i'm holding him and seems to be getting more sicky - am thinking reflux, so may have to try and get him something for it - is gaviscon working for those babies already diagnosed or are other meds better?

roxvox Fri 15-Nov-13 19:18:41

apperlydapperly I am not sure what the alternatives to the infant gaviscon are like, but if you are breast feeding then the Gaviscon is a complete and utter faff! So much so that I rarely use it and instead put up with regular clothes/skin washing for all of the milk A brings up. If you are using formula then I don't think it's as bad as you can just add it to the bottle. I might take A back to the doctor and ask for something different.

I was going to ask about bath soap stuff too. I used cotton wool and water for the first 2 weeks, now using water based wipes. I bath her every night in just water, but today I bought some mum and me bath wash as I like the idea of A smelling all yummy afterwards (not that she doesn't already). 6 weeks today and I think I'll try it with tonight's bath.

I only use sudocrem, if needed, on red patches on her bum. I think I have used it 3 times in total! And I use metanium barrier ointment prior to long-ish car journeys when all her weight is going to be down on her bum.

Mnippy Fri 15-Nov-13 19:22:08

excited, technically yes Vaseline is a barrier cream, but the other mums I know use metanium, Weleda, Neals Yard barrier cream etc.

Wickedgirl Fri 15-Nov-13 20:50:08

I have been using this on Amelie for her dry skin. It's works really well and smells lovely. We now use it after her bath as a massage oil (it melts on your hands) and use it as a nappy cream last thing at night.

I am still using cotton wool and water although I do have water wipes in her nappy bag that I will use if she needs a nappy change while we are out and about

ananikifo Fri 15-Nov-13 21:25:42

We're losing the nappy rash battle here. His bum has been red, on and off, since he was about a week old. Since then we have been using sudocrem. In the last few days red spots have appeared. I'm trying to change him more often but I hate doing it when he's crying or sound asleep. I need to stop being such a wimp about that. We've been using Huggies Pure but from tomorrow we're switching to cotton and water. I try to give him nappy free time but I end up with projectile poo or wee all over me. shock I feel so bad about his poor sore little bum. sad I'm actually afraid he's inherited my sensitive skin as he seems to be getting prickly heat on the back of his head and neck as well.

PseudoBadger Fri 15-Nov-13 21:32:49

Poor thing sad Definitely go back to water and cotton wool, nappy off time after changes for a short while. Get some Metanium (yellow tube) and apply a thin layer. Keep an eye on the spots as it could be thrush.

ananikifo Fri 15-Nov-13 21:38:27

Is metabium better than sudocrem?

If the spots get any worse we're going to the GP but I keep hoping they'll just disappear. I hope think they're better today than yesterday.

apperleydapperley Fri 15-Nov-13 21:54:18

gah - why am i watching and bawling at children in need - my hormonal state can't take it.

ana metanium is a bit more medicated than sudocreme and yes is prob better for worse nappy rash. hope it clears up soon.

ananikifo Fri 15-Nov-13 22:06:03

This is my first time watching Children in Need as a mum. One of the children who died has the same name as my baby. sad It's so sad.

Natalieand Fri 15-Nov-13 22:36:47

Awww bless u ana its absolutely horrendous what some people have to go through, no words can describe how those parents must be feeling x

thatsnotmypineapple Fri 15-Nov-13 22:38:35

ana personally I've never really got on with sudocreme, it seemed to make DD1's nappy rash worse, although that might in part be due to my DM and MIL tendency to put loads one. Metanium is brilliant, but like pseudo says it needs to be used very sparingly.

Have been bawling my eyes out at some of the stories in children in need.

M has got pimples all over her face. I have looked on the Internet and it seems to be nothing to worry about, something to do with sweat glands still developing. Does anyone else's baby have this?

char1eston Fri 15-Nov-13 22:49:18

We use metabolism too 'ana' - works really well. Worth the stinky fingers to apply it.
Another one who has been crying at children in needsad

char1eston Fri 15-Nov-13 22:50:08


Flyer747 Fri 15-Nov-13 22:53:28

Pineapple I think haylebop talked about baby acne a while ago her little boy had it and apparently nothing to worry about.

Bronzemoth Fri 15-Nov-13 22:58:02

orange N had two little tubes of blood taken to test for dehydration. They used his heel rather than his hand. I fed hon through our and he didn't mind a bit. I hoe the tests go okay for you and Thomas.

Bronzemoth Fri 15-Nov-13 23:03:06

Also pineapple N is covered in little spots they come and go bit medical profession seem completely unconcerned and they don't bother him in the slightest. Obviously if any other symptons fever etc then get help asap.

Haylebop12 Sat 16-Nov-13 01:25:22

Hi pineapple are the spots whiteheads surrounded by redness at all? If so then yes probably baby acne. Nowt you can do a creams tend to make it worse. Isaacs flared up around week 3 and although now (at almost 8 weeks) the spots are gone his skin is still a little bump (and now he has bloody cradle cap!) although its not proven baby acne is believed to be your hormones sort of "coming out" of the baby iyswim?!

JellyCurls Sat 16-Nov-13 03:22:33

Ana what nappies are you using? DS1 has very sensitive skin and some nappy brands used to leave him with what looked like chemical burns on his bottom. We always got on best with Tesco or Aldi nappies for when we used disposables, must have had less chemicals.

ananikifo Sat 16-Nov-13 03:43:50

We're using tesco nappies now but have tried asda and pampers as well. I'm hoping the cloth nappies help in a few weeks when we try them.

i didn't watch children in need. already had a cry at face book this morning, couldn't face more.
so glad its the weekend and i can share duties with dh.

Readyasilleverbe Sat 16-Nov-13 08:54:09

Morning all. Hope everyone has a good week end. I have a quick qs for legally or anyone else propping up the head end of their baby's Moses basket.... How high do you put it? I've used two average sized paperbacks under each side of the stand at the head end. It's on quite a tilt! Does this sound like too much? I'm pretty sure C has a bit of reflux as he hates being put down too quick after feeding and he looks like he's gagging sometimes when lying down. The tilt def helps but not sure if I'm over doing it? Or maybe it should be even steeper?! Thank you knowledgable people! Hugs to all. Xxx

Sanjifair Sat 16-Nov-13 08:55:32

I've always used sudocreme liberally and have never had any trouble with nappy rash. I suspect it's down to the sensitivity of the baby's skin whether they get it or not rather than anything you do though.

Sanjifair Sat 16-Nov-13 08:56:42

ready I have two quite thick hardback books, about the size of a dictionary I guess.

Ready, the bednest instructions say no more than 5cm height difference between the two ends so we have about that.

whistlingdixie Sat 16-Nov-13 09:38:28

We've done the same as Orange the bed nest is tilted to 5cm

I also have a question: does anyone know how long (on average) those of us BF should expect to leak milk? Will it continue through out / until BF stops?

My leaking has reduced whistling, I braved a braless night (all bras in wash or drenched in vomit) but still happens a bit. T is a month old. I think it is meant to settle down.

whistlingdixie Sat 16-Nov-13 09:54:30

Thanks Orange. Good to know it will lessen soon!

Flyer747 Sat 16-Nov-13 10:10:52

Whistling I've heard 6 weeks your milk production evens to accommodate babies needs/demands then your boobs stop leaking and often your boobs will feel like they did pre pregnancy (quite deflated) I've never leaked milk though and don't wear a bra to bed!

I'm tempted to buy an underwired nursing bra next week to give me a bit more uplift. Would this be ok?

Sanjifair Sat 16-Nov-13 10:50:19

flyer I went to have my boobs measured the other day and the lady in the shop said underwired was fine if fitted properly. I bought one underwired and one not. Can't believe the size of my boobs, gone from 32DD to 34H!!

I've only had 1 leak (at night, the first time she slept for 4 h) but am still wearing a non-wired bra and breast pads at night just in case.

ananikifo Sat 16-Nov-13 11:18:03

I only leak when really full because he's slept a long time. I probably sound like a slob but I hate wearing bras at night. I stuff a muslin down the from of my pyjamas and it works well enough.

legallyblond Sat 16-Nov-13 11:22:14

Ready - we use the Spacebabies bed block. We use all three together with raises the head by 10cm. It's steep!

Whistling - I leaked the whole time I bf DD. I would leak if she went longer than 2.5 hours ish and the other boob would leak while she fed iyswim. I'm not leaking at all with the twins!

Flyer.... I also miss the usually and the swiftly moving thread. Come back everyone! What else is there to while bf?!

legallyblond Sat 16-Nov-13 11:27:24

Oh and DD only had nappy rash when she was teething (I always though it was because we used cloth nappies, but the twins are fine with pampers....), BUT the very best cream we found was Weleda Calendula nappy cream. We now use Weleda Calendula for all of DD's toiletries as she has v sensitive skin like DH and every thing else is "ouchy" (eg even Burts Bees stings her!). Honestly - try Weleda!

Flyer747 Sat 16-Nov-13 11:36:06

Legally we use the calendula too my sister bought me the range, bath and hair shampoo, oil, nappy cream it's great.

Also legally the reason for the slow moving thread is most of the October bus uses Facebook these days, hence why hardly anyone posts on here these days. Come to Facebook legally you are one the oldest (as in been on from the start) passengers it would be great to see the twins. smile

Flyer747 Sat 16-Nov-13 11:37:36

Excuse the terrible Grammar in the last post.

Readyasilleverbe Sat 16-Nov-13 11:54:49

Thanks all. Will get measuring tape out. Xx:

Wickedgirl Sat 16-Nov-13 12:20:03

The threads have slowed down as we are all busy with our babies grin. I used to have so much spare time and now there is always something that needs my attention

Natalieand Sat 16-Nov-13 13:52:00

legally join us on fb its where it's all happening.

kiwee Sat 16-Nov-13 14:11:11

Sanji - what make is 34h under wired bra you bought and is it comfortable? (asking as a fellow now 34h who would love some more support!)

Ready - we were told could tilt to 30 degrees. But it looked too much and was worried dd would slip under blankets at that angle so have 2 folded up towels under one end of basket (not on a stand).

MrsHoratioNelson Sat 16-Nov-13 14:29:07

Another 34H here - I'm sure I could fit my head in one of the cups. I've got two M &S ones and a couple of second hand Royce ones from eBay. I've got a Freya one too, but that's a bit small.

I'm hoping DH will take me to Cardiff in a couple of weeks to get properly fitted at Bravissimo since I've only really guessed at 34 H and I think actually I might be more a 32 something.

At night I'm wearing a stretchy crop to think from Sahnsburys - enough to keep a couple of breast pads in place. Although, I'm so sore still that even the bamboo breast pads I've got chafe. I had a little cry about it after his last feed - I'm so tired of being in pain all the time sad. I've got a crack on one nipple that re-opens every time he latches on because he clamps down so hard. His latest trick is twisting and wriggling if he's getting too much milk. That really hurts.

Another baby poo question - it's ok if it is watery yes? Changing Thomas and he just did a completely liquid dark brown poo on the mat (and my hands, his feet...) Like muddy water.

I have spent the last few hours attempting to try on some clothes I ordered with breaks to feed, burp, cuddle and dance with a very clingy and awake baby, being careful not to get sick on anything I might send back. He us starting to be interested in toys though which gives me a few minutes each time I put him down.

Mrs H have you tried nipple shells? They hold clothes away from you. My nipples keep going white and sore if my bra presses on them (probably still not latching right but it doesn't hurt at the time) so the shells are really useful for me.

takingachance Sat 16-Nov-13 14:44:24

who could I PM to add me to Facebook - purleaase!! xx

Send me your name and description of your picture taking, or if you have strong privacy settings your email linked to your Facebook account instead.

doobeedee Sat 16-Nov-13 15:08:54

Debenhams nursing bras are really supportive. The Miriam Stoppard ones. I've just bought a 34H. They're non wired. I came to town to go to bravissimo but didn't like any if theirs. I've also adapted some of my old bras with nursing bra clips from eBay but since getting the debenhams ones I don't think I need to anymore. They're £22 at the moment for 2.

MrsHoratioNelson Sat 16-Nov-13 16:18:08

Orange yes, I did in the early days, but they put too much pressure on my boobs and I ended up leaking loads and engorged sad

It's all to do with my short nipples and his crap latch sad

JellyCurls Sat 16-Nov-13 17:38:33

Can I ask a question about Facebook group? I thought it was completely private then someone said that their DH saw something they posted or replied too on it.

I deleted myself from group when I thought other fb friends could see my posts. Was I in a pickle over nothing? How private is it?

Thinking if all it most of chat over there I will rejoin but only if private. Can anyone help?

Slippysnow Sat 16-Nov-13 17:41:56

Rrrrrrr!! I'm very annoyed, I have just found out that my cousin who I have not seen in over 5 years - at least. Has put the pictures I sent her of my baby up on Facebook! I am not on it and neither is dp, she emailed me to say That she would love to see pic of him, so I sent them and I had no reply. Instead I receive a card from my uncle (her dad) saying we have seen pics on - stupid bitches - Facebook. Since when Is it appropriate to upload pictures of children that aren't yours who you have little to do with. I personally find it really odd behaviour, and I don't think you should have to send out a disclaimer when you share things with family members. Weird weird weird.. Or aibu?

To top it off my breast pump has broken after 3 uses. Plug no longer works. I'm also pretty sure it was broken before that because I was able to pump a whole bottle within an hour next time I could only do 1 oz. I think the suction went, wish I listened to the bad reviews!

Wickedgirl Sat 16-Nov-13 17:56:47

Jelly.......my dd(15) can't see any of our October group stuff from her Facebook account so it must be a private group.

Natalieand Sat 16-Nov-13 17:57:57

jelly it is definately private, I didn't see the comment you are referring too but perhaps they meant their dh was on their Facebook nosing? Or saw over their shoulder etc? I'm another private group on Facebook (the same set up) for something else and no one else can see anything ultras they are a part of the group xx

Slippy that's so annoying I would write to/email the manufacturer or the shop where you bought it for a refund as clearly not fit for purpose (when you have the time haha).

Yes Facebook group is definitely private, I saw that comment too but presumed the husband logged in to the account/saw it left open on the computer etc. I checked when I joined because other people didn't know I was pregnant yet!

claphammama Sat 16-Nov-13 18:48:13

hi all! I'm back to lower the tone of this thread grin sorry I've been so quiet recently but I've been in a kind of survival mode here... MIL is still here until tomorrow morning and I'm really fed up after a very long week sad... Plus DP can't sleep in the guest room when she is here so, between feeding the baby and him snoring, I've been getting next to no sleep... Don't know how I've managed to function the last few days... I can cope with the baby and very little sleep but not with no sleep at all...

I'm so fed up with MIL now... She hasn't helped m
e with anything other than ironing. Hasn't cooked us one meal in the entire week, hasn't even made me a sandwich or a cup of tea when I was feeding a baby, hasn't changed one stupid nappy... She's just been waited on and drinking her wine and brandy... And earlier today requested that we buy a full length mirror for "her bedroom" ie. our spare bedroom. WTF? Is it just me or is it extremely cheekey? She is acting like a princess... I'm usually very hospitable but I really didn't think you go to someone who has a 10 days old baby acting like this... Ok - moan over!

orange do you BF exclusively? BF poo is usually bright yellow, mustard like. It's usually quite runny but I've never had muddy water / dark brown. Was it just a one off?

Re: leaking boobs, I have lots of milk and am leakig a lot so sleeping in BF bra and pads here. with DS1 I was leaking all the time I was feeding, it didn't stop after the first few weeks. I always feed from one boob only so my other boob is always leaking when I feed. I think I will start feeding and pumping soon.

apperley my placid and easy baby is also becoming more unsettled and difficult. I sort of expected it as DS1 was exactly the same. Easy start and got tougher after a few weeks!

Watching Strictly now - can't wait to wear a beautiful dress again one day...

Hoep everyone is having a lovely evening!

claphammama Sat 16-Nov-13 18:55:12

ps. for those with nappy rash problems, with DS1 I found that the best thing was lots nappy free time. Put your little one with no nappy on on a blanket for 30 min or so. Lots of fresh air works miracles.

Hi Clapham yes exclusively breast feeding. He is a bit grizzly and clingy today, perhaps not feeling too well. Hopefully a one off and not diahroea. Grr at MiL.

roxvox Sat 16-Nov-13 19:20:38

orangeblossom I am exclusively bfing too, and A had a watery brown poo a couple of weeks ago. I remember it vividly because I was changing her on a mat on the dining table (being lazy) and we had a poosplosion all over the table/floor/me. It was just that day (think there were 2 of them) and then back to normal since.

apperleydapperley Sat 16-Nov-13 19:25:27

slippy thats definitely out of order posting the photos you sent - i would not be at all happy if someone did that to me. and clapham i feel for you with your demanding MIL. same problem here in her expecting to be waited on hand and foot and not helping in the slightest despite us clearly juggling a newborn and 2 DCs... at least mine hasn't asked to furnish 'her' room or stayed for 10 days though (yet!)!

I leak when BF from the other boob and also last time until i stopped altogether. Strangely the first time with DD I didnt leak after about 5 months, when my boobs stopped getting engorged and the milk just seemed to be available whenever needed, without having a letdown. i'm not sure why the difference.

it must be wine o'clock now wink

Flyer747 Sat 16-Nov-13 19:37:45

Apperley it's wine o clock here grin

Clapham welcome back, mil goes home tomorrow, yey! Tis very cheeky to ask you to buy a mirror for her room and I find it odd she won't do a nappy change for her only grandson! She obviously thinks she's there for a holiday not to help out.

Went shopping and squeezed into a pair of size 10 tapered trousers, in 2 weeks they'll fit, feels awful still being so much bigger than I used to be. My top half is the bit which has expanded the most.

claphammama Sat 16-Nov-13 19:41:20

it is wine o'clock... I have a question about it actually. I've been quite disciplined about drinking when pregnant sticking to my one glass per week. I'm less disciplined now... drinking about a glass and a half every 3 days or so. I try to drink rufhf after the feed to give my body a couple of hours to process it... but he is still so unpredictable and sometimes wants to feed unexpectedly 15 min after my glass of wine... and then the guilt is eating me all night... I'm so tired though and need my glass of wine from time to time... how much are you drinking?

claphammama Sat 16-Nov-13 19:44:13

flyer I read your post on FB - 4 weeks is nothing for your body to recover from pregnancy and birth. Give yourself a few more weeks. don't worry - you will go back to normal soon!

Flyer747 Sat 16-Nov-13 19:52:53

Clapham I'm having a lg glass of red every night! It's lovely to relax with a vino smile

legallyblond Sat 16-Nov-13 19:54:51

Flyer - I could squeeze into my jeans with a v unsightly bulge at the top after 2/3 weeks. Now, at 9.5 weeks, they're starting to look less unsightly. However, with DD I couldn't get anywhere near my old jeans until 3 months exactly.... And it wasn't pretty. After 8 months, I was waaay skinnier than I had been pre pregnancy, and that was with zero dieting or exercise and LOTS of cake. Panic not!

Clapham - Hello!!! Poor you re MIL!!!! I am drinking a glass or wine or half pint of beer pretty much every night. There are some good threads on why drinking a small amount when bf is fine on the bf/ff pages on here.

Re Facebook, I'm not on it at all and had good reasons for decided to come off it (just after DD) - I'm tempted but I really, really dislike it, much as I'd love the private group!

legallyblond Sat 16-Nov-13 19:56:06

My glasses of wine are also large Flyer! It helps enourmously!!

Flyer I tried on some size 14 jeans my mil sent me today and two of the three pairs were too tight for me and I just squeezed into the other pair. Can't believe you are a 10 already. I have at least lost some weight now, 1st 3lb, but a long way to go as I put on over 3st.

Thanks roxvox, hopefully the same with us.

Clapham I'm not drinking, partly because he still comes to bed with us, but I think I read the guidelines changed so you can now drink the amount all women can - is it 14 units a week? I wouldn't want to do that but will eventually have a few. Don't beat yourself up about it. Also the BF lady at our nct course said the best time to drink is during a feed, as takes time to get into your system and will be gone before the next feed.

Also doing nothing about it and lots of snacking. Though walking a mile or two most days with the pushchair might help.

claphammama Sat 16-Nov-13 20:01:45

thanks flyer and legally - this makes me feel better!

and yes flyer I was also skinnier a year after having DS1, also with no diet and no exercise. BF is amazing - all I can say!!

claphammama Sat 16-Nov-13 20:03:58

thanks orange makes sense re: drinking during feeds. (OMG - I'm dying for a glass now...)

claphammama Sat 16-Nov-13 20:05:36

ps. legally why don't you join under a false name? you can just ignore FB and do the private group only?

whistlingdixie Sat 16-Nov-13 20:06:50

Thanks for the leakage info ladies. I have fast let down plus mega supply, so I guess I might leak for a while as I leak a lot at the mo.

MIL is well out of order, Clapham. When my folks and in laws visited, I made it clear they would need to pull their weight on either baby or house duties. And to be fair, they've all been really helpful and respectful.

Slippy - I would strongly object to her and ask her to remove the pics, on principal. IMHO it's seriously inappropriate to post pics of other people's children without their permission.

Flyer - my weight is less than pre-pregnancy but my shape has definitely not returned. I still look 3 months pregnant and I can't fit into my old clothes - still in mat wear ! I think getting my shape back will take a while as it will require exercise / effort and I can't see that happening regularly for a while. :-/

Has anyone heard how MoN and Falcon are doing?

whistlingdixie Sat 16-Nov-13 20:09:07

Is anyone around to add me to the FB group please?

Yes whistling pm me your email address or name and description of photo.

MoN had a bit if a scare with Eliana going blue but ok now I think and getting support from a charity. it is something that will happen regularly she thinks which is scary news.

xuntitledx Sat 16-Nov-13 20:23:47

I'm having a kir royale every night - t'is needed! grin

Having a difficult day today, LO didn't go down for his usual nap this evening and has only had little cat naps throughout the day so anticipating a difficult night also!

Pinkush Sat 16-Nov-13 20:29:27

This wine chat has got me craving! Like orange, am not drinking as LO is in our bed but with ds had a glass most nights.

Mnippy Sat 16-Nov-13 20:53:03

slippy. Grrrrrrrr, that is definitely completely unacceptable. I would be annoyed!

But I am quite a private person, have very strict privacy settings on FB, and all my friends know that I would rather not have close ups or portrait shots of my baby on there. So like legally, am v v jealous of all the great FB chat but won't join the group. Could have a false name but would have to keep logging out of my normal FB account...hassle.

I am also leaking, despite having such low production (mixed feeding), especially during let down (which can happen randomly as well as when baby cries)! I think I waste about 10ml from the boob when baby starts on the other.

Flyer747 Sat 16-Nov-13 21:51:31

Untitled V posh on the kir Royales grin

So after a shite night of cluster feeding last night from 9pm-3am (posted about me losing the will to live at 330am on fb page during final feed of the night) tonight A has hardly eaten and slept loads! Praise The Lord grin

takingachance Sat 16-Nov-13 22:11:23

That's good, flyer smile

Does anyone else have white noise on all night? I kind of don't notice it now, but I have the hair dryer noise from the 'white noise baby' app playing all night! x

Natalieand Sat 16-Nov-13 22:17:05

I haven't used white noise at all as its a habit I don't want to get into I like silence when I go to sleep and I think it would drive me insane if he decided he needed white noise at night x

Flyer747 Sat 16-Nov-13 22:31:04

Taking both dp and I love the white noise sounds grinsends us off to sleep.

Ok I spoke to soon, no feeding but witching hour has commenced in the flyer household, cue screaming and a very red face.

roxvox Sat 16-Nov-13 23:01:35

Evening all. I'm awake doing a night feed (haven't been to sleep yet) and I have horrendously violent shivers. The house is lovely and warm, A is like a hot water bottle and I am layered up, but they are horrid. Last time I had these it turned out to be related to mastitis, but fingers crossed this is just a one off! Anyone else get them?

mnippy if you joined the Facebook group then none of us would be able to see your profile (just your real name and profile picture) and none of your FB would see that you're part of a group. I understand if you don't want to join still, I just wasn't sure if you realised that we wouldn't be able to see your profile just because you're part of the group.

notsoold Sat 16-Nov-13 23:03:01

Hi all!!!
Normally lurking but reading in the early hours with feeding J.
I was on Fb group but it means dh had access to it as we share fb account. I decided to leave the group and keep only here...hope it is ok!

J has oral thrush and is on drops out they make him sick after the 3 daily dosage ( he is meant to have 4 dosages daily) so not going well and the gp gave nothing for me to take or any cream???

Sorry I don't manage to post with my rubbish phone!!!

whistlingdixie Sat 16-Nov-13 23:26:34

Hmmm Kir Royale!!! Wine!!! I'm hankering but alcohol still tastes funny to me... Which wasn't so bad during pregnancy (as a lot of my tastes changed) but it would be nice to get that back soon!

Notsoold - I think there is a over the counter cream you could get. Can't remember the name but I think NHS website mentions it.

Rox - I had that on Tues. unfortunately it was mastitis; cue 12 days antibiotics (another reason for not drinking)

Taking - yes, we inherited a fluffy sheep that attaches to bednest and plays various white noise tracks for 45 mins. Keeps A calm but like Flyer puts me to sleep before A :-)

Orange thanks for MoN update and for FB.

Tulip2013 Sat 16-Nov-13 23:46:08

rox I get shivers most nights during cluster feeds. I do have sore nipples but no other signs of mastitis (yet - touch wood!) so had thought it was exhaustion from feeding (and DD stealing my calories). Sweet tea and toast usually sorts me out but will defo keep an eye out for symptoms of something more sinister.

claphammama Sun 17-Nov-13 00:00:25

rox I had several of these mysterious shivers and fever episodes after having DS1 - in the first three months. Terrible. Felt like flu but it was only high temperature and shivers for about 24 hours and they just came and went, before I had a chance to go to GP. See if you have it tomorrow. Perhaps you have something similar?

re: white noise, I would much prefer constant white noise to constant snoring...

flyer hope the witching hour is over soon and you have a good night

tuckingfits Sun 17-Nov-13 00:32:19

Hello all. Just popping in to say I am still reading at night but can't seem to keep my eyes open to post. DS is being "challenging",he still adores his baby sister but not so much his mummy. Although I do wonder how much of it is wonders reaction to his new circumstances & how much is just a stage he might have hit at 2yrs 10mo the anyway. Either way I find it very very difficult to maintain anything approaching my previous levels of patience,calm & understanding. Which makes me feel like shit & breaks my heart for him. Could actually cry at this point just from what I have written here. I do know I am not the only one having these issues & the other mums feeling similar to me have my sympathies.

What prompted me to post was notsoold's question about thrush... My baby girl has had thrush for a month now. I spotted it the day after she was born while she was in scbu,but was poo pooed by various HCPs in hospital until i met someone from the Infant Feeding Team two days later,who confirmed it. Anyway,she was prescribed the horrible yellow Nystatin drops which were worse than useless & ended up in a muslin or all over us both. I was prescribed daktarin cream for my nipples just in case. My nips have been fine until Wednesday,her mouth however has not cleared after two courses of nystatin & one of daktarin oral gel. As soon as i felt it affecting me,i made a GPs appt & saw him yesterday to request a prescription for fluconazole. It is an anti-fungal,a tiny amount transfers through breastmilk to the baby so ought to help clear the oral thrush too. I don't know how you feel about lying to your doctor... It is imperative that you are treated as well as your baby - otherwise you could end up in a neverending cycle of reinfecting each other. I would talk to your HV if you find your gp unapproachable,they should have a better idea of what works & how to ask for it. The kellymom website is brilliant for advice on this sort of thing. My gp didn't suggest looking at my nipples (thank goodness because i went to school with him!!),keep an eye on your nips - i had thrush in my breasts with Ds & it was awful,this time my breastfeeding journey has been so much easier (haven't wanted to post about it because i was cracked and hurting and miserable to the point of total depression & so i know how upsetting it is for those of you having problems currently MrsHN,your posts have made me wince for you & wish i could advise something to help you. I can only say that i ended up using mam nipple shields after about 6 weeks & they kept us going til 9.5months) & so i have been keeping a close eye because i don't want any issues. So as soon as my nipples started being excrutiating during feeds & pink & shiny,i knew it was time to act.

I am knackered & rambling,but i hope some of it is intelligible & of use to someone...xx

notsoold Sun 17-Nov-13 04:18:18

Whistling... Thank you!!! Xxxx

Tucking...many thanks for sharing with me and everyone here! I am seeing the gp on Monday for J's bcg and will try as you say. Thank you xxxx

xuntitledx Sun 17-Nov-13 04:28:40

5 hours sleep here grin

We're another with white noise on all night - think it helps me sleep aswell as LO!

Lovelybitofsquirrel Sun 17-Nov-13 04:32:11

Rox I woke with the shivers a couple of weeks ago, was also worried about mastitis but they went away as inexplicably as they came-kept me awake when everyone else slept tho! sad

Flyer747 Sun 17-Nov-13 04:39:04

Yey untitled.

A went 5 hrs tonight too grin however I woke after 3 hrs sleep as I must now be conditioned to only sleeping in 3 hr stretches grrrr! We also sleep with white noise on all night and it soothes me as well as dp and A!

JellyCurls Sun 17-Nov-13 04:52:32

Tucking we are having very challenging behaviour for our 2yr 10 month old too. He has started biting, hitting and screaming amongs other things. Also only mummy can take him to loo, put his shoes on etc which is usually when I am dealing with baby. Our neighbour has same age gap between her kids and had same issues and they do grow out of it. Hang in there

Sephy Sun 17-Nov-13 06:35:54

LO slept last night after her 11pm feed until 3 without much stirring! That is a first and i'm so pleased! Sadly I had a massive coughing fit which pulled on my CS scar, so didn't quite take advantage of the chance to sleep, but perhaps she'll make a habit of it!

Does anyone else's baby make funny noises whilst asleep / waking up that arent quite crying, but sound a bit uncomfortable? When she does that I tend to rock the crib which keeps her quiet rather than pick her up. Is that mean?

PseudoBadger Sun 17-Nov-13 07:08:46

Tucking and Jelly - DS is exactly the same age and we have the same issues....

roofio87 Sun 17-Nov-13 07:41:24

sephy my ds is hilarious when waking up, I keep meaning to video it. he looks like he's fighting imaginary monsters in his sleep. he huffs and puffs and flailes his little arms around all over the place. its so funny.
H has been sleeping well here. generally only waking once a night between 11 amd 8ish for a feed. another good thing about switching to ff to ease my guilt haha. we've been at my parents b&b this weekend and have had such a great time. life has felt relatively normal again and I am now really enjoying being a mum. its taken a lot longer than I thought it would but im finally there!

Flyer747 Sun 17-Nov-13 09:25:31

Great Roofio glad to hear you are enjoying it! I completely agree with the ff and regaining some of your former life back.

So news here is A slept 11pm-9am and I dream fed her twice and she hasn't cried all night grin

emmoB13 Sun 17-Nov-13 09:33:38

Aw roofio sounds lovely!! I agree on the ff front and feeling more normal now.

Congrats Flyer! So pleased for you and lets hope its the first of many and the first few weeks become a distant memory smile

rubytwosday Sun 17-Nov-13 09:34:38

Really glad and not at all jealous that lots of people had better nights last night. I was pleased that Ali slept for 2 hrs straight on her Moses basket. I have since informed her that younger babies ( she's 8 weeks today) are doing 5 hour stints and that I expect to see improvements this week! She also makes tonnes of noise when in light sleep - lots of grunting, the odd squeal and a wired sort of guinea pig noise.

chickieno1 Sun 17-Nov-13 09:36:29

Your weekend away sounds lovely roofio!

That's a great break flyer!

No such luck here. It's half four and missy has been awake fussing since before two sad. She's also turned into a Velcro baby and won't stay in her cot for any significant length of time.

Have been lurking on this thread but will try and post more xx

chickieno1 Sun 17-Nov-13 09:41:27

We have the grunting and squealing here too

tuckingfits Sun 17-Nov-13 09:44:21

That's fantastic news flyer. It is incredible how much better & brighter life can seem after a decent sleep/no mega-crying fits. I hope you're feeling good today.

Thanks for the reassurance on poor DS's behaviour. I love him so much but he is driving me insane & that makes me really unhappy. He quickly figured out I wasnt picking him up (hand span gap between stomach muscles,anyone else had this?) due to physio telling me my stomach was buggered & therefore no lifting him,so if I am insisting he do something he doesn't want to do,he starts off with the "no,I don't want to" which rapidly & irrationally escalates to "stop talking to me" & throwing himself to the ground. I just love it! His night time sleep has also gone to shit & there's only so much I can take!! But I am glad to know that others are having the same issues exactly & that with luck it's an age thing & not a reaction to his new sister (so I can stop beating myself up). One other thing - he keeps being unkind to the dog. This is what makes me the maddest & most upset. The dog is incredibly patient & good & they have grown up together for the last almost two years but I don't want Harris to feel he is in a situation where he has to become defensive. W doesn't hurt him but laying on him or sneaking up on him while he's asleep & then making silly noises in his face make me uncomfortable. Does anyone have any tips on how I can better explain to my son why he can't treat Harris like that? I have tried gentle explanations,discussions of not treating friends/animals badly,shouting when it is happening. Nothing works & all approaches have made him turn on the water works & make himself hysterical. I know I need to be firm & consistent but I'm losing it more & more quickly when I rarely got properly cross before because he would respond as appropriate after a gentle reminder previously.

tuckingfits Sun 17-Nov-13 09:46:12

Sorry roofio I meant to comment on H's fantastic sleep too! Good work & long may it continue smile

Soupqueen Sun 17-Nov-13 09:48:46

Frantically trying to catch up!

I'm quiet on the thread because, while I can read one handed, I haven't got the knack of typing while feeding.

Can't remember most of what I was going to comment on, but here goes.

I have a glass of wine most nights. It's just the one and I really look forward to it. I read a really good article about alcohol and breastfeeding recently, will try and dig it out. Basically, it's even less risky than we thought.

I have thrush in my nipples, no sign of it in Baby G, I have 3 conflicting courses of treatment/advice from 3 different health professionals and am totally bamboozled.

G slept for 4 hours, followed by a change, feed, settle for an hour and then had another 3 hours last night so I'm a happy bunny.

Stupid first time mother question time: what is a dream feed and should I be doing it? How can I tell if a nappy is just wet or if it's dirty too? How can I get her to swallow less air when she feeds? Poor wee toot suffers badly from wind and I'm sure it's mostly what she takes in while feeding.

I have a grunter here too, she makes the most bizarre range of noises!

Soupqueen Sun 17-Nov-13 09:55:00

Nope, can't find it. The thrust of it was that the concentration of alcohol in breast milk is the same as in your blood (which we know). However, even if you're drunk (which you wouldn't be if in charge of a small baby anyway) the percentage by volume of alcohol in your blood is something like 0.5%. In other words, someone could be steaming drunk, but someone else couldn't get drunk from drinking their blood. The level of alcohol in breastmilk is similarly low.

Hope that makes a little sense!

JellyCurls Sun 17-Nov-13 10:52:57

Tucking my DD (nearly 7) does that to my DS (nearly 3) so if you get an answer on how to stop it please let me know. Dinner last night descended into chaos after DD started roaring like a lion at DS who started shouting back louder. Needless to say after drinks got spilled and DD fell off her chair they both got a time out and dinner got binned

tuckingfits Sun 17-Nov-13 11:38:46

jelly I am so glad I'm not the only one dealing with roaring & squashing! Sorry you're experiencing it too though.

PseudoBadger Sun 17-Nov-13 12:19:18

Roaring, screeching, saying everything in a 'monster' voice here. Also he tries to press his head right up against the baby when he kisses her.

GeorgieJo Sun 17-Nov-13 12:32:20

Very impressed by all the good sleeping!

Sadly not replicated in our house - S has been in some discomfort for last 24 hours, lots of squirming, protest cries and farting... I think he is having real trouble digesting something. Really painful to watch.

I am bf but using the odd bottle of formula (ie one a day max, if he needs topping up at night).

Can't work out it if was something I ate - edamame beans??(Dr Google tells me soy is a common problem)

Or fact that we switched formula brands on Thursday morning (Aptamil to Hipp).

It started on Saturday afternoon and he hasn't had any formula since Friday night. I had edamame beans on Friday night and Saturday night.

Anyone else had experience switching brands or eating something their LO objected to?

Thank you!

ImpOfDarkness Sun 17-Nov-13 14:01:21

Fergus definitely objected to a curry last week georgie. He was very squally the next day.

tuckingfits Sun 17-Nov-13 14:05:13

broccoli can be an issue,onions & garlic too. I had to cut out lactose when bfing my 1st baby. That helped but eventually it turned out that he was intolerant of all dairy but that wasnt until I had stopped breastfeeding. And the main issue that lead to me cutting stuff put was poor weight gain over a period of months (dropping thru centile lines) & never ending sickness. That's why I own so many muslins...

tuckingfits Sun 17-Nov-13 14:05:44

Edemame beans could well be your culprit...

tuckingfits Sun 17-Nov-13 18:48:58

oh god,have I killed the thread? sad

Haha tucking, what did you do? I agree beans could be the culprit, ds had an awful night after ate beans, but I dare not try them again to confirm that was the case.

My ds is.2.11, and I am having the same problems as you guys. But where are all of the other naughty nearly 3 year olds. I swear everywhere I go every other child is calm, and its ds charging around shouting in people's faces and waving sticks in a menacing fashion. He is a lovely boy, but he just seems so bloody boisterous and aggressive in his play that others children his age.

claphammama Sun 17-Nov-13 19:39:53

bowlfull you should come and meet my boisterous boy. Would make you feel better! I totally relate to sticks waved in front of people's faces in a menacing way and everything else.

interesting what you say about beans, broccoli and curry... I had beans last night, curry the night before and then pasta with broccoli the night earlier. And my baby has been very unsettled the last two days... would make sense. Had a boring and inoffensive dinner tonight to see if he gets better.

I know it was discussed a few weeks ago but I'm a bit behind on this thread with my end of October baby... how long did your lochia last?

claphammama Sun 17-Nov-13 19:42:05

ps. soup THANK YOU so much for your insight re: wine and BFing!

Shirehobbit Sun 17-Nov-13 19:50:44

My lochia had finished a couple of weeks ago, Clapham (at 4weeks) but I was left with quite a lot of mucous for a further week, which was sometimes a bit brown (apologies for the TMI).
But then I started bleeding again yesterday?!

In other news, my boy just beamed at me. No mistaking it for anything else. Amazing feeling! Don't know how many we'll get in the next few days, but it gives me real hope grin

Yay for baby A shire.

Clapham mine has just about stopped now, been veryt light for the last week, Thomas is one month today.

Pinkush Sun 17-Nov-13 19:56:35

Ditto on the boisterous 2y old ds! Did an impressive headbutt on his little sis while I was breastfeeding this evening.and more thanks to soup for the booze/bf info. had my first drink this afternoon- champagne with my mum's roast dinner!

apperleydapperley Sun 17-Nov-13 20:01:21

Well done all the good sleeping babies grin we still havent had more than 3-4 hours straight here. Usually only 2-3 at night still.

I was going to ask about lochia too - i am still bleeding a bit at 5+ weeks on and off, anyone else? Also keep getting mild period pains which get worse if i overdo it (i had cs) does anyone know if this is normal?

Thepurplegiraffe Sun 17-Nov-13 20:19:52

Hi all, can I join in? I have been reading a bit over the last few months but felt ill during the pregnancy and exhausted for the last few weeks and was never able to catch up. I had my lo a month ago today, a little girl called Chloe, born by c section after finding out she was breech in the last week before I was due. Hope things are going well for everyone. Would somebody mind adding me to the fb group?

whistlingdixie Sun 17-Nov-13 20:32:13

Hi purplegiraffe, welcome & congrats on the safe arrival of Chloe x

Still bleeding at 4 weeks but it is on & off now. Not much cramping, only get the odd pain usually after increased activity.

Tucking lol, not killed it. I am now thinking the curries I've had on the last 2 nights have caused the increased fussing, wind and refusal to feed properly!!

claphammama Sun 17-Nov-13 20:39:15

welcome purplegiraffe

thanks all - thought it was around 4 weeks with DS1 but couldn't remember. mine is also on and off - nothing or almost nothing one day and then much more the next day. shire do you breastfeed? could it already be your period perhaps?

Thepurplegiraffe Sun 17-Nov-13 20:41:24

Thanks Whistling and Clapham. Mine is the same, on and off after a month. Thought it might be shorter with a c section but it seems not.

Shirehobbit Sun 17-Nov-13 20:49:35

I mix feed, Clapham
I had wondered if it was a period starting, but I think it's far too light (just a smear, each loo trip)?

JellyCurls Sun 17-Nov-13 21:28:44

Baby J born by c section 6.5 weeks ago and I have not long stopped bleeding (like day before yesterday) but this morning I had to pressure hug DD as was having a proper full blown autistic style tantrum and started bleeding again afterwards sad also thought things would clear up quicker after a section but seems this isn't the case

claphammama Sun 17-Nov-13 21:54:00

jelly I also find that I bleed more on stressful days. Physical effort and stress definitely make it worse

GeorgieJo Sun 17-Nov-13 21:59:37

Tucking and others - thanks for the confirmation that beans could be the culprit. Back to mountains of pasta and toast!

Welcome purplegiraffe Hope you and Chloe are doing well.

Could someone add me to the facebook group? Been reassured by all the discussion of privacy.

Thank you!

roxvox Sun 17-Nov-13 22:00:00

Thanks to everyone for your advice last night. I started to feel progressively worse, and with a sore red boob this morning I decided to see the out of hours doctor and he thinks it's mastitis so I am on antibiotics. Fingers crossed for a good night with A tonight and no shivers/sweats!

Welcome purplegiraffe!

My lochia has been relatively constant, on and off (but even 'off' included some amount of discharge). It went to just discharge about 2 weeks ago and now it's bloody again, so I think it might be my period but not sure (6 weeks).

flyer I hope you bag A have another good night tonight!

Soupqueen Sun 17-Nov-13 23:21:32

I'm almost 5 weeks post section and still need to wear a pad every day, although the bleeding isn't generally very heavy.

whistlingdixie Sun 17-Nov-13 23:53:20

Question for those who've had mastitis before and taken fluxacillin antibiotics - has this resulted in changes ( eg to taste of breast milk) that created feeding problems with your LO?

Excited85 Mon 18-Nov-13 03:15:41

Hi all,
Sorry been a few days I struggle to keep up! Georgie our dd threw up spectacularly twice on Friday for the first time and we had eaten a spicy dinner on the Thurs am assuming that's related. However, she was the same yesterday and nothing suspicious eaten on Sat so now worried it's something else making her sick.
Also forget who asked but dd makes some cracking noises when dozing, gives us plenty of amusement!
Great news for those with little ones sleeping better smile funnily enough I've just had to wake dd for a feed as had been at least 6 hours, though she's definitely out of sorts. Nearly 3 weeks now and both last night and tonight (+ today) refuses to be laid down in Moses. She slept on me both nights and had only dozed on me and dh in the day, has felt quite hot to touch plus being sick - am not really sure what's wrong and whether to book her in at docs or whether she's just having a fussy stage...

Bronzemoth Mon 18-Nov-13 03:25:31

excited have you got a baby thermometer? It takes the guesswork out of temp checks. If in doubt go with your instinct and get him checked out to set your mind at rest.

welcome purple giraffe.
i have a white blister on the end of my nipple from a super long on off feed yesterday. sad
survived more public breast feeding and Dh managed to stay awake on drive home along the M40 (no lights + sleep deprived husband = dangerous mix)

welcome purple giraffe.
i have a white blister on the end of my nipple from a super long on off feed yesterday. sad
survived more public breast feeding and Dh managed to stay awake on drive home along the M40 (no lights + sleep deprived husband = dangerous mix)

ananikifo Mon 18-Nov-13 03:54:29

Excited trust your instincts and speak to the dr if you're concerned. Every HCP has encouraged me to do that.

I also have a glass of wine on many evenings. It can take me hours to drink one glass. I don't even worry about it anymore but I do find it relaxing when dealing with colic.

J is focussing on faces now. I'm still amazed and get a bit emotional when i hold him and he just looks straight at me. He did it in church today while the choir sang and it was a beautiful moment.

chickieno1 Mon 18-Nov-13 04:05:12

Hi purple giraffe!

Still bleeding here 6weeks post CS. Like others worse if have been busy or on my feet a lot.

Tucking, bowlful, pseudo, jelly I'll join you in the older ds group. He's 3 and two months and can be hard work. We have the screeching and roaring esp when you ask him to be quiet! He also squeezes his little sister a bit too tight and we've had some head butts. I do feel bad for him because I know he misses his life pre baby. I also think there is a lot going on developmentally at this age which is difficult. He's very sweet though and gives the best hugs! Just wish it wasn't at three in the morning.......

Ok I'm rambling again

Forgot about the food/fussiness link. I had curry on Wednesday night and thurs so maybe that explains bad nights.

Having glass of wine here too. Try and have it with early dinner so not likely to affect me when going to bed.

chickieno1 Mon 18-Nov-13 04:07:22

Excited could you contact hv if not sure? Otherwise see gp. Hope she's better in the morning

Tulip2013 Mon 18-Nov-13 05:00:23

rox glad you got seen by a doctor. Having said I has shivers and was nothing to worry about I woke up Sunday with a big red mark on right boob so wish I'd been as aware as you so also in the mastitis club. Am gonna call GP today but also got advice from nct Breastfeeding helpline on self help measures so am expressing (which I hate!) and having hot baths etc.

orange am with you in the white blister thing. Had them in both sides last night. Am praying this bf lark gets better (LO is 4 weeks)

roxvox Mon 18-Nov-13 05:23:14

tulip sorry you're not feeling too great either. The shivers are the worst aren't they? The antibiotics help to stop them pretty quickly though. I had mastitis in the early days as well but did nothing about it for almost a week (I thought it was just normal post partum/sleep deprevation). By the time I did go and see the doctor I was really very ill with it and was struggling to feed my LO and ended up relying on formula for a bit. Had I not had that experience then I probably wouldn't have been so proactive about it this time to be honest!

excited I would say to see your GP if you're unsure too. I know there is a stigma attached to being an over reacting first time (or any time I suppose) Mum, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

whistling I have answered your q on FB, but I'll say it here too. No to the different flavour due to antibiotics. But mastitis itself can make the affected boob taste more salty apparently, which your baby may not like so much! It's important to keep feeding from the affected side though (sorry, I am sure you know this).

Having quite a good night so far here! A still won't sleep apart from me, so I am begrudgingly co-sleeping, but we're getting some hours in which is good! Fingers crossed I haven't just jinxed things!

chickieno1 Mon 18-Nov-13 06:25:12

To rox and whistling hope the mastitis clears up quickly xx

GeorgieJo Mon 18-Nov-13 06:38:09

roxvox what do you do about covers, yours and A's, when co-sleeping?

S and I can now feed lying down, so like the idea that we could both drift back to sleep afterwards, but I don't want duvet anywhere near him, so inevitably I am freezing!

Also worried he is cold without swaddling (in just a vest a babygro).

So at the moment putting him back in his basket which always unsettles him.

Thepurplegiraffe Mon 18-Nov-13 07:31:59

Re mastitis and blocked ducts I was told to massage each side with a flannel towards the nipple every time I have a shower to try and prevent them. I am doing this every day and so far no problems.

roxvox Mon 18-Nov-13 07:57:23

georgie I had the same issue (being cold) at first, but now I wear a couple of layers on my top half to bed (long sleeve top layer, and all with boob access). The quilt ends up near A's feet, sometimes over her feet. I use my pregnancy pillow wrapped a around me and under her feet so she can't shimmy down the bed and I can't roll away from/into her (comfortably) without waking myself up. A is probably a little cooler at night than she'd like to be (vest and babygrow) only, and she'd probably sleep longer hours if she was warmer, but I am so worried about her overheating and I don't know how much warmth she gets from me (quite a lot I presume). I don't think we have the most orthodox co-sleeping set up, but it works best for us.

Going to bed early with A is working out so much better now than staying awake and having her cluster feed until 3am. That's 2 nights in a row now that I have brought her upstairs earlier and had a long feed (1 hour ish) followed by a decent sleeping pattern. She was wide awake for most of the day yesterday as a result too, with just the odd 5-10 minute nap.

chickienio thank you smile

chickieno1 Mon 18-Nov-13 07:58:20

Georgie you could put baby in a sleeping bag? And you could wear a dressing gown or something with sleeves?

It's almost 3.00 am here and we've been up for the last 2 hours sad. Woke up for massive poo now she won't settle and we re on the feed wind cycle. She seems wide awake though she must be getting tired now. I'm knackered as had busy weekend with ds and not much sleep last few nights.

Sorry for the me me post. Sometimes in the middle of the night wonder what's this all about.

I'm rambling again

roxvox Mon 18-Nov-13 07:59:09

Thanks for the tip purplegiraffe I will give that a try.

I've got a dentist appointment this morning and I am dreading it. I swear my tooth hygiene has gone down the drain since I became a mummy. Always seem to be rushing when it comes to brushing my teeth!

roxvox Mon 18-Nov-13 08:01:48

Sorry you're having a bad night chickienio. Have you tried walking around with your LO, and also white noise? Not always, but sometimes this works for us when A is doing exactly the same.

chickieno1 Mon 18-Nov-13 08:06:54

Just saw your post rox, maybe I'll have to go to bed earlier to get some more sleep before she wakes up.

Good luck with the dentist x

GTbaby Mon 18-Nov-13 08:57:53

Hello folks! Been a while. Exhausted.

Oh oh baby crying

ImpOfDarkness Mon 18-Nov-13 10:48:24

People who want to be added to FB, PM me your name and profile pic or your email.

Lochia tailing off at three weeks and a day here clapham.

Flyer747 Mon 18-Nov-13 11:27:40

thankswineTo all those ladies dealing with mastitis.

Lochia still daily here although it's brown colour now, 5 weeks post c section tomorrow. I'm another who naively thought bleeding wouldn't be as bad after a c section.

Went to a christening yesterday, dressed A up in a lovely little pink dress , white tights and little pink ballet type material shoes and we had a major poo explosion mid christening. Dp took her to the car to change her and we ended up with shitty nappy and dirty huggies wipes all over the car she lost a shoe and tights were covered in poo so she ended up wearing just her dress and looked suitably under dressed! grin

Soupqueen Mon 18-Nov-13 11:46:50

Oh no flyer, I had to laugh though having had a poomageddon here this morning.

Can I share my frustration? G has refused to settle anywhere other than my arms all morning. Set her down just now as we're going out and I need to brush my hair and teeth before changing and feeding her and she's fast asleep! The one time all day where I'll need to wake her up, bah.......

GeorgieJo Mon 18-Nov-13 11:47:04

roxvox and chickie thank you for the co-sleeping advice. Think I will invest in a sleeping bag.

Imp thank you for offering to add me to the FB group, I have PM'd you.

Excited hope your DD is doing better this morning, agree that if you are worried you should take her to the doctor. With any luck will turn out that curry was the only problem

Seeing a lactation consultant later today. Looking forward to getting some practical support - never been confident we have latch quite right. In hospital the advice literally consisted of a midwife telling S to "suck it". Not joking.

However slightly worried that S is going to want to sleep through the appointment which will make life slightly more difficult...

JellyCurls Mon 18-Nov-13 11:47:22

Sorry flyer that made me smile.

My niece had a poo explosion at her mum & dads wedding (during the ceremony) and is wearing my DD pyjamas in the wedding photos as nobody packed her spare clothes. She was 18months old at the time so was very messy. In her defence though they were very pretty pyjamas

xuntitledx Mon 18-Nov-13 12:14:57

I was at the dentist this morning also - for anyone BF and having bleeding gums, don't worry! Dentist said this is due to hormones...

Lol at poomageddon!

We had another poosplosion last night resulting in me screaming as LO covered me in shit! Each fart sprayed it more and DH was killing himself laughing sad

Flyer747 Mon 18-Nov-13 12:31:31

Jelly gringrin at niece wearing your pyjamas lol

PseudoBadger Mon 18-Nov-13 12:41:24

FFS living with DS at the moment is like living with a caged Tasmanian devil. He's regressed about 12 months but with extra strength and attitude! We just had lunch, first he was banging his cutlery into the table and leaving dents so I took it away. Then randomly screaming arrrrrggghhh and shrieking. Then picking up his plate (with food on) and banging it back onto the table. Then throwing his food.
What have I done to deserve this? It's just constant battle and trying to piss me off. We've just got back from swimming, he should be tired sad

PseudoBadger Mon 18-Nov-13 12:42:44

Between us toddler sufferers everyone on this thread is going to be dreading 2 years 10 months grin

Excited85 Mon 18-Nov-13 12:54:08

Oh no flyer that's typical isn't it!

Thanks all for your comments re dd, she slept loads last night although was on me the whole night and still today won't be put down in basket. Temp much more normal though and no sick so far (touch wood). Think I'll see how she is rest of today and if gets hot again or is sick ill book her in with GPs.

Those of you with toddlers I don't know how you do it! You're all super mums!

claphammama Mon 18-Nov-13 13:00:21

LOL flyer at the christening poonami! she is such a lady grin

pseudo sounds like attention seeking efforts to me... must be so hard... is he OK with the baby? jealous? I remember this age with my DS1 - he was a nightmare from 18 months to 3 years and then calmed down. Boys can be exhausting at this age.

chickie sorry about your tough night thanks are you feeling better today and did you manage to get some rest?

My calm chilled baby has changed into a needy, crying baby the last two days. No idea if it's colic or some growing pains... I can't put him down for a minute and BF is the only way I can calm him down. So my nipples are killing me... he won't sleep in his moses basket so I'm BFing him in our bed now hoping he will fall asleep and stay asleep here. I would love to have a shower and brush my teeth at some point today. All I'm asking for...

Natalieand Mon 18-Nov-13 13:00:30

pseudo right there with u on the toddler front dd tutntb3 this month so not far off your ds age and yesterday she pushed me to the limit I lmfeakky screamed at her then when dh mDe her apologise I told her off again. Altho it does seem too have improved her behaviour since so maybe she knew she was pushing me all along. ATM she is constantly jumping on furniture telling me no and generally being an argumentative little cow Madame I don't no how I'm gunna get through the day sometimes!!

On a good note we've found a 3 bedroom house to rent which means ds and dd won't need too share when he goes in his own room and we won't be moving till late jan early feb so haven't got to panic about getting settled so close too Xmas all of this is subject too passing referencing of course

claphammama Mon 18-Nov-13 13:05:50

excited sorry missed your earlier post. hope your LO is better today.

rox hope your mastitis clears soon. poor you - the second time you get it...

ana a glass of wine lasts you for hours?? HOW?? grin

Shootingstarsandcomets Mon 18-Nov-13 13:38:04

That's good news about the house natalie
Sorry to hear of mastitis rox it's so awful. I had it three times with ds1 and after the 3rd time decided that was it and stopped bf as I just couldn't deal with getting it again. Think I was prone to it, had a massive milk supply so maybe he wasn't taking enough. Hugs anyway.
First day totally alone here. I have brushed my teeth but not showered- yuk! We made it to toddler group but not to weigh little b, I'm not worried about his weight but wanted to have him weighed as it's his one month birthday today.
If anyone is interested Jojo maman have 15% off until tomorrow. I've just ordered some 3.5 tog sleeping bags seeing as we are supposed to be in for the coldest winter for decades.
Also, does anyone else have a baby that just won't sleep anywhere other than on them?! I think little b has spent one night in his Moses basket and that is it. I thought ds1 was a Velcro baby but this guy is taking it to another level!

Shootingstarsandcomets Mon 18-Nov-13 13:40:43

Also anyone who is ff I have bought a tommee tippee perfect prep machine which makes up your bottles to the perfect temp in about a minute so no faffing boiling the kettle or reheating them from the fridge. It's amazing and I love it!

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 18-Nov-13 13:47:59

Hello all, not much to report so I have been following but not posting. C is 5 weeks today.

Bf still quite painful and I can't clear this blocked duct - although, since it has been around for 3 weeks and hasn't turned into mastitis as expected, I'm not sure whether it is a blocked duct or not.

moonblues Mon 18-Nov-13 14:02:31

Hello! I think this is the first time I have managed to post on the post-natal thread, though I'm not sure as I've thought about what I would post so many times, so sorry if I'm repeating myself!

Sorry to those who have mastitis - it's horrible. Hope you feel better soon. Baby C didn't seem to be bother by any altered taste of the breast milk.

C is a bit spotty as well and has been for 3 or 4 weeks. I'm hoping it will clear up soon. I know it's daft, but I don't want him to be all spotty for his christening. sad Tirns out DH had been using fabric softener in his washing, which probably hasn't helped, but don't feel like I can complain because he's been doing all the washing.

Feeling fat and very jealous of everyone whose back to prepregnancy weight. Eating too much chocolate, but finding it hard not too...

JellyCurls Mon 18-Nov-13 14:20:40

Terrible twos...
Troublesome threes....
Feckin awful fours...

I think you get the idea

Hi moon blues, Thomas has spotty cheeks too and his hair is receding. Very silly as doesn't bother him at all but I want people to think he looks gorgeous when they meet him. (he still absolutely does to me).

I hope it doesn't get too cold to go out. My grandmother was telling me yesterday at my uncles birthday party about hand washing terry nappies and trying to defrost them after they had frozen on the line in the winter of 1963. So glad I have pampers!

Meant to have some nct people round today but they cancelled sad at least I have a slightly tidier house now! Wouldn't have bothered otherwise.

claphammama Mon 18-Nov-13 15:16:50

I have the same kind of baby here
shooting... and have resigned myself to co-sleeping... otherwise I just get stressed, exhausted and noone wins.

moon I still have exactly 1 stone to lose to go back to my pre-pregnancy weight... very depressing... so I'm going to give myself a few more weeks to try my usual clothes.

today is my first day completely on my own - no DP and no MIL. I l Iove it although can't really accomplish much beyond feeding, burping and changing the LO

Glad your first solo day is going ok Clapham.

Just heard from my brother that my paternal grandmother died. We lost touch a few years after my dad left, about 20 years ago, so am surprised that I am upset. I am definitely more emotional and think more about family since becoming a mummy.

Shootingstarsandcomets Mon 18-Nov-13 15:30:04

Glad not just me clapham we are cosleeping too as I can't deal with the no sleep either!

Thepurplegiraffe Mon 18-Nov-13 15:33:37

Imp, thanks for the offer to add people to FB. I have PM you.

I am also struggling with a baby that doesn't want to be put down. I don't know how people with more than one do it!

whistlingdixie Mon 18-Nov-13 16:18:26

Good luck with your first solo day Clapham

Flyer glad to hear A is doing better!

brew to all those with troublesome toddlers plus LOs. No advice or suggestions (1st time Mum here) but hang in there. Hope things get better soon.

Forgotten what else I was going to say hmm

Excited85 Mon 18-Nov-13 16:23:32

Same here re Velcro baby Clapham and Shooting. I've had two days of suddenly clingy baby however dh just took her for a few minutes and has managed to settle her in basket! I'm too tired to take it personally!
Not sure who mentioned about spots, dd keeps getting them on her cheeks but they clear up within a couple of days so try not worry too much.

Readyasilleverbe Mon 18-Nov-13 16:37:19

clapham my baby is exactly the same. 3 wks today. Had easy placid baby til 3 days ago. Has turned into baby that's only happy when feeding. Really getting me down. Still crying every day from shear shock at how tough this is. I am so tired and feel like such a crap mother when can't seem to make my baby happy. Love him so much and just want to enjoy him but finding it very hard. Sorry for whinge. He's still gorgeous and seems to get through nights ok so I know I shouldn't complain. Just want to enjoy my days with him. Love to all. X

Sorry to hear that orange, hope you are ok.

Great news on the house Nat, hope it all gets finalised for you soon. We are hoping to relocate in order to buy our first home next year, but we have some important decisions to make re careers, location etc, so putting that all off until next year.

I had the hv randomly come round today - thank god I had literally just tidied up as the house was a bombsite. Another pointless visit, I'm really not sure what they are for other than to spy on people.

Glad you have got your house back Clapham and are enjoying the peace. I have somehow agreed to spend 3out of 4 weekends on visits with dps family. We were at sil last weekend as it is too much effort for them to get off their arses to see us, then have mil and partner staying 29th to 1st, then fil and partner 7th and 8th. Not happy. The arguments have also started about Xmas, with me wanting as much time just the 4 of us as possible, whereas dp jusht wants to please his self centred sister everyone else. I can't wait until we live somewhere large enough to host so I can tell everyone of they want to see us that they can do the running around.

moonblues Mon 18-Nov-13 17:58:34

Jelly my health visitor just turns up randomly as well. Last time the place was a tip and I was in a rush to get DD fed so I could get her to nursery in time. Had been mid feed and baby C had just done a monster poo. Not my finest hour blush

Clapham glad you're enjoying your solo day.

I'm another one who's co-sleeping because baby C won't settle in the Moses basket. He'll nap in it during the day, but always wakes up at night. I did have him in a sleeping bag, so I could try to transfer him back in, but then was worried that he was getting too hot. He's ok at the beginning of the night as he's on the outside of the bed and out if the covers, but during the night I roll over to feed him on the other side and he ends up in the middle if the bed, under the covers. Though I try to keep them low down. Last night I has him swaddled so it was easier to take the blanket off during the night, not sure if it worked better or not. I'm tending to sleep with 2 layers on as well because I got the covers down low for him. If anyone has tips let me know!

GeorgieJo Mon 18-Nov-13 17:58:46

Ready I am sorry you are having a tough couple of days. It is so, so hard to look after a newborn - much harder than I imagined - and I am sure you are doing everything right.

Might it be the 3 week growth spurt? My baby suddenly needed to feed all the time, and was much fussier. (And like you I felt shattered, anxious and wanted to cry all the time from the sheer relentlessness).

It got better in week 4. Still exhausting but manageable. Now we are in the middle of week 5 and I am bracing myself for the 6 week growth spurt.

It sounds like you are doing a great job. I hope it eases up over the next few days and you get a little more sleep.

Flyer747 Mon 18-Nov-13 18:00:59

Orange sorry to hear about your grandma hmm

Clapham, shooting and all the other owners of Velcro babies you have my sympathy thanks I have such a clingy baby who cries whenever I put her down. She can be in a comatose state on me and as soon as I attempt to put her in the rocker or carry cot off the buggy (given up on the Moses basket now) she howls and howls! It gets a bit much and luckily dp is at home and my mum is coming 3 days a week so I can hand her over otherwise I wouldn't be able to shower!