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Start your runners (talk) and your new jars of Jam, 'tis the season-almost.

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Vagolajahooli Wed 06-Nov-13 09:04:48

Here we are ladies, time for all that talk of christmas table runners and chrissie deccy colour combos. And will we be getting some new Jam in this thread! Maybe not quite.

Arrtttiiieee Wed 06-Nov-13 11:12:50

Is it time to start talking about Christmas then? I'm excited about advent. I've bought a red ribbon, 24 festive wooden pegs with the numberv1-24 on them and 24 gold paper bags. I'm going to put tiny presents in each bag and the girls can unpeg one and open it each day. I've discovered the shop Tiger whichbiscfsb for cheap little gifts.

Mckayz Wed 06-Nov-13 11:19:36

Arti, MAP is fine while BF.

We've all got colds so apologies for being so quiet. Hoping my sinuses don't get blocked up.

Rubena Wed 06-Nov-13 11:28:53

Artiieeeee How did the MAP go? I was just in Tiger yesterday! It's near me, and I always walked past it but finally went it - love it! Last year MIL made an Advent thing before I even got a say (as per usual) with pockets for chocolate of course which kids will be excited about.
I'm stupidly excited that Christmas tree selection / erection day grin this year (1st Dec of course ) is on a Sunday so can be first in line for nice tree as DH should be off - I get all a bit Chevy Chase about it hmm
Theme last couple of years was White / silver / blue - I feel like ditching the blue and replacing with gold this year. Dh not as keen grin
Thanks for the thread Vag
We (3) watched fireworks from our bed last night at 7pm - kids had their milk and I had a glass of wine!!
Right, gym, collect dd, back to gym for her swimming lesson.

Rubena Wed 06-Nov-13 11:30:15

Vag, my swollen red arm from flu jab still the same shock really hurts!

JamInMyWellies Wed 06-Nov-13 12:57:51

Gotta dash am helping at school this arvo.

Thanks for the thread and the nod to the impending jamminess.

So excited about Christmas apart from DH I am all sorted. Need to wrap but thats it.

beans37 Wed 06-Nov-13 13:22:31

Marking my place. Am in denial about Xmas.

Honsandrevels Wed 06-Nov-13 14:19:19

Ooh exciting, Christmas talk. I made our cake last weekend which is pretty late really. I'll have to feed it lots of sherry.

I've tons still to buy. Anyone give me some ideas for our Dec 08 babies? I find the whole birthday/Christmas gift buying all quite difficult when that's all their big stuff till next year.

I've got some banana bread in the oven and it smells fantastic. I went a bit off recipe so I hope it's ok!

JamInMyWellies Wed 06-Nov-13 16:11:57

FFS DH is going to LA this wkend for work. Really not happy about this confusedconfused

Rubena Wed 06-Nov-13 16:23:59

oh no, has it ruined plans for the weekend Jam?

DD been a little ratbag today. She's brilliant for her swimming teacher then horrendous for me. Quite ill though with the bark like cough, yet evil me packed her off to nursery and told her to cover her mouth if she coughs! blush

Rubena Wed 06-Nov-13 16:26:09

ds in meltdown too / lack of sleep. dh's computer keyboard won't work - have troubleshot it, but still no joy. Rang dh at work and the scrub nurse in theatre answered! Had to pretend it was somewhat important! grin

DeidreBarlow Wed 06-Nov-13 16:37:13

Oh no jam!! Is it just the weekend or might it be extended?

Thanks for thread vag! I think we are sticking with the blue/purple/silver for the tree! Have a rough idea of pressies for DS. We've bought him a Y Fliker scooter for birthday. It's an odd contraption but he loves DDs and goes like the wind. Which is odd because he's kind a snail on his peddle bikeconfusedhmm

Then for Christmas we have bought both DD & DS a Hudl tablet from Tesco. It may seem a but much but he is forever on our iPhones, and there are some great reading/spelling/phonics apps out there. So really it's a glorified speak and spell!!grin

Right best crack on DDs having a strop about me removing he'd laptop privileges. Apparently I'm "ruining her life".hmm Maybe darling but it'll teach not to get caught chatting in the cloakroom when you should have been back in class!!

DeidreBarlow Wed 06-Nov-13 16:38:55

Apologies should have previewed that post. Shocking typos.

Mckayz Wed 06-Nov-13 16:40:17

Oh Deids I get that from DS1 all the time. I also embarrass him in front of his friends by making him walk with me.

JamInMyWellies Wed 06-Nov-13 16:52:07

Dieds I like your style. I am forever telling the boys I am their parent not their best friend and sometimes (most of the time) they are not going to like me.

Rubena Wed 06-Nov-13 17:44:22

so what happened Jam?

JamInMyWellies Wed 06-Nov-13 19:52:30

Not home yet. And I have a fucking PTA thing to go to when he gets home.

Rubena Wed 06-Nov-13 20:05:41

You need wine jam. Can empathise. I'm getting mil induced rage again myself this eve. Must mark the start of happy hour myself momentarily.

Rubena Wed 06-Nov-13 20:15:38

Sorry not meaning empathise with the mil stuff! Side issue ongoing here!.

Rubena Wed 06-Nov-13 22:15:24

Feeling ongoing crapishness but can't pinpoint it and flu jab site reaction expanded. Covers my arm now in circumference around jab spot. Dh reckons I've been exposed at some point during travels or whatever to some strain in the vaccine. Urgh. Nice. The needlephobe has endured a needle to make herself feel like shit for no apparent reason. Lovely.

Rubena Wed 06-Nov-13 22:25:56

Appears I've broken the thread. Not surprised! Over and out. Could do with bed anyway. Promise.

sybilfaulty Wed 06-Nov-13 22:32:26

Hello everyone! Thanks for the thread, Vag.

Sympathies on the arm, Rubes. Hope soon better. Not your drinking arm I hope?!

Sorry things are being a bit arse Jam. Not long now. When does DH get home? Can you have a restful one with the boys?

Sorry you are ill, Kayz. Sinuses are a bitch.

Arti, am stealing your Advent idea. I always make the kids have godly advent calendars as it#s supposed to be remind them about the coming of Jesus but they want the chocs etc instead. This will be a nice adjunct to the worthy pic of the Holy Family.

Went to see my friend who is in Tommy's having her baby at 38 weeks this Friday. It is almost 5 years since I was on that ward. How time flies.

Off to bed once washing finished. Knackered.

"It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas......"

Rubena Wed 06-Nov-13 22:39:48

Ambidextrous in that regard Sybs, make no mistake! But no not tonight. Def over and out now. Lovely to see u hear x

Rubena Wed 06-Nov-13 22:40:09

Here !

Rubena Thu 07-Nov-13 11:51:41

Me again hmm can I be nosey and ask about people's contraception choice? I'm seriously considering the copper coil.. Fed up of hormones and really want to see the difference it makes not having any. I know a few have had Mirena fitted - do they fit them at the GP and how painful etc? Everyone I know has had issues with Mirena, but not sure about copper. DH has suggested the copper for me, but he by no means is in that field to really advise grin

Rubena Thu 07-Nov-13 11:53:19

Oh, and how painful is it to be fitted? For eg, I don't find smears at all painful but I know this is more involved! I'm thinking Beans is my resource here? - but I know you had probs beans - no?

sybilfaulty Thu 07-Nov-13 12:03:23

I have a copper coil and it is fab. It took about 5 mins post smear. No more uncomfortable than smear itself . I have one day of heavy bleeding and a few of light. The heavy could be down to my advanced age though. I'd give it a whirl.

Am at work. Back later

Rubena Thu 07-Nov-13 12:07:55

Oh Thanks Sybs! DH has suggested that it is a good choice for me, as hormones make me whacko (have been moderately in check on Yasmin, but still a moody cow) and doc badly wanted me off it due to my advanced age grin I really don't like this mini pill I've been put on, and what I've read about its side effects etc. so I'm ditching it. I've made a GP appointment, but should I have booked a double or will they say I need to have a chat about it first, therefore a normal apt? Do they fit it there?

beans37 Thu 07-Nov-13 12:43:26

Ask the receptionists, Rubes. My old GP place had a coil clinic. They'll tell you how it works.

I had mirena and didn't get on with it at all, but my sister swears by it. We've stupidly used withdrawal method last 2 times, but DH on cusp of agreeing to the snip. Next time will ask just before he comes. Then will get a yes to anything! ooh, might ask for an eternity ring too. Hee hee!!

Indith Thu 07-Nov-13 14:26:37


Lingering cold from hell

Lots of work

Going to murder dd

But I'm going OUT this Saturday with my local MN lot. Wonderful, wonderful people that they are. Me and our old Dec 08er Spiggy are going to get a wee bit drunk on cocktails.

Take care you lot x

DeidreBarlow Thu 07-Nov-13 14:57:45

DH has been snipped so that's our contraception! I had quite high BP before coming off pill to get pg so didn't fancy going back on it! Thankfully we were both certain 2 kids was the limit so he agreed. He was in and out in 25 mins!grin

We are giving away the DCs guinea pigs as DD is so allergic to them. They barely get held as DS has lost interest do it's not fair on them. I have a lady coming to see them tomorrow, am actually a little sad if she decided to take them. Wuss am I.

Honsandrevels Thu 07-Nov-13 21:12:05

I'm trying to convince dh to have the snip. I've had more than my fair of medical interventions and I think it is his turn now.

Rubes The first time I had the flu jab my arm swelled up massively so was advised to have a piriton beforehand for subsequent jabs. Not had a reaction since. Not much help for this year but you could try that next year.

Indith Hope you feel better soon.

We have a big felt Christmas tree shaped advent calendar thing with pockets that I put chocolate coins in. I always plan to put nice Christmassy suggestions in too but never got round to it. I'm looking forward to getting all the lights up. It does cheer up the dark evenings to have some twinkly lights on. I'm thinking the 1st for the lights and festive bits and bobs, and the weekend of dd's birthday for the tree. Are we going to do a dec 08 secret Santa again?

I'm going to go to bed for a very early night. I'm so shattered. Night all.

Vagolajahooli Thu 07-Nov-13 21:12:15

Crikey so glad I read this, seeing your post about the guinea pig Deids, reminded me that the boys put the Hamster into the hamster ball this afternoon around 4.30pm. I was reading your post at 9.30pm and suddenly remembered we hadn't put the poor hamster back. DH and I just did a rush around and found the poor thing stuck under chair.

Rubes how is your arm? Sounds like it could be a localised reaction. Do you feel unwell otherwise? I have to say I am a big fan of vaccination, but I don't do flu vaccine. I had it one year for work back in Australia. I had never really gotten unwell with Flu before that year, but we got an extra 30 mins of our lunch break if we went and got it. That year all of us that had the vaccine were so sick with almost back to back respiratory infections. The hospital thought it was possible it was a bad batch. But I've never taken the chance again. However, I didn't have a reaction at the site. Did you say she gave it to you very quickly? I wander if she maybe pushed it in a little too quickly. Injections need to be given at a steady pace not too quickly. Though I think it is only a small amount of liquid so maybe wouldn't matter.

Vagolajahooli Thu 07-Nov-13 21:12:41

Arti, how did the MAP go?

Honsandrevels Thu 07-Nov-13 21:18:38

Missed your post there deids. That's a shame but better for the piggies I suppose.

Dd1 is nagging to get fish because her friend has just got some. I pointed out that we have two cats and she said 'but the cats are rubbish and just sit there. The fish are brilliant. We thought one of their legs had come off but it was actually their poo. It just floated off out of their bottom.' What more could you want in a pet!

Honsandrevels Thu 07-Nov-13 21:19:42

Oh dear poor hamster!

Right bed for me.

Rubena Thu 07-Nov-13 22:09:21

Vag I've never had the flu shot in my life before. When preg I got the swine flu one, and was fine, had to drag dh down for it. He's never had any other flu shot ever but he said they were nagging him and chasing him around at work and he basically said fine then, and had one to get them to go away! That night we were chatting about it and about the two sinus / eye infections I had last Winter off the back of 2 separate flu episodes the same Winter which floored me (you may remember me banging on about my awful eye infection when in India on a trip) Anyway, the other day I was in the GP for BP check to get repeat pill script filled and mentioned flu jab, GP said, "I'll give the flu shot to you now if you want, as it will be much better than risking that sinus stuff again" I started talking about maybe its a good idea, and i'd go for it, then of my fear of needles and she'd jabbed me so quick to avoid me passing out before I'd even rolled down the sleeve after BP cuff came off! Bloody good job avoiding the faint, but she did do it fast and quite low on arm (ie not in deltoid? more towards elbow) and that was it. Have felt awful all week, and today pain radiating down arm and throbbing. Jab was Monday. Feels ok tonight, and swelling has gone down - just red circle all around covering my arm still. DH said exactly the same as you and thinks localised reaction and perhaps I've been exposed to a strain in the vaccine before during travels etc. Not a bad thing as I guess am covered for any other but have felt like utter shite. Arm not aching now as I type so fingers crossed it'll be better tomorrow.

Have researched the coil more and spoken to DH again. Going to try the copper as I'm fed up of wondering if hormones in pill is what makes me mental grin and am fed up of bloating. yasmin was the only one that semi kept that in check but still made me moody. I rang GP receptionist (thanks Beans) GP's that can do it are on leave for 2 weeks so have got apt for it next week through local community hospital family planning as suggested by GP. dh reckons better too as they will do more of them so easier. Wish me luck! Will report back but looking forward to finding out if these hormones have been a problem in the pill as have been on it years. Feel even worse this week and may be a coincidence or directly related to the new pill as well as flu jab - confused will report back, and thanks again Sybs

Jam what happened you never came back about the US trip for dh?? And Artiiieee what happened with MAP? Hope all is well.

beans37 Fri 08-Nov-13 03:57:40

Giggling about hamster.

Poor you Rubes. Sounds miserable.

Sybs... Are you there Moriarty? I enjoy your quick posts then dash!

I went to bed at same time as you, Hons. Am now off back to bed post feed. DD3 really prefers a bottle to my boobs. Sob!

beans37 Fri 08-Nov-13 08:11:23

Really and truly DD3 doesn't want to feed from my boobs. I've expressed a bit recently and she clearly prefers it. A bit depressing. Oh well, I've done 7 weeks, which is better than nothing!

beans37 Fri 08-Nov-13 08:11:51

I'm too squirty.

DeidreBarlow Fri 08-Nov-13 08:36:03

Rubes when I was BF DS I took Cerazette. I think it actually made me mental!! Certain points of the month I almost felt like I could kill someone. When DH agreed to snip I stopped talking immediately. It took a while but I am now definitely less hormonal.

Arrtttiiieee Fri 08-Nov-13 08:39:48

DS was like that Beans. I think it's the risk of introducing a bottle early, I didn't with the girls and they loved the boobs but we gave DS a bottle at 5 weeks and he clearly preferred it. I have ploughed on with the boobs as DD/ has coeliac a disease and all the studies show the best way to minimise DS's chances of the same is to be breast feeding while he weans onto solids. Now it's got easier and he seems to like my boobs again but he already has two teeth (at 5 months!) so it's not great for me.

No sleep here. DS is my worst sleeper by far. So smiley in the day and so not at night. I feel like death warmed up today. It's my friends 40th tonight and I was so looking forward to it buying not even sure I can go now as DS is so bad it seems unfair to leave the au pair alone with him when the party is on the other side of town.

Arrtttiiieee Fri 08-Nov-13 08:55:43

Oh that's apparently the end of his 17 minute morning nap. Why would he sleep longer when he slept a whole 7 hours (broken into small pieces) overnight? FFS.

And yes I did take the MAP. No idea re future contraception. I can't do hormones, DH won't snip. Rubes I will follow your copper coil experiment with interest.

Honsandrevels Fri 08-Nov-13 10:06:36

Yes I'll be following your experience with the coil too rubes. It would be ideal if dh would get the snip but it isn't an imminent prospect.

That sounds rough arti. Mine were lovely as babies it was just during toddlerhood dd2 lost her ability to sleep through the night. I cannot remember the last time she slept all night in her own bed.

Does he nap better in a sling or pram? You could go for a walk and then stop off for coffee once he nods off?

Rubena Fri 08-Nov-13 10:59:32

Deids, heard that one is the worst of the worst. I've only been on Progesterone only for a week now and I'm hate hate hating it. Will keep you all posted about coil. May have to have Codeine and a stiff drink prior to fitting it as a local up the cervix isn't sounding terribly appealing shock Sybs did they offer you the local? Or not necessary?

Glad you got the MAP sorted Arti. Did you feel rough after? Hope you get the non-sleepy baby sorted too. Go to the party it will be fine.

mil driving me nuts again. People can't change can they.

Rubena Fri 08-Nov-13 11:05:34

Arm a lot better today too

Mckayz Fri 08-Nov-13 11:30:09

I had a miscarriage on Cerazette and know 4 babies conceived while the mums were on it. Bloody useless.

I'm on the depo jab but I'm have lots of bleeding. Not keen on implants or coils just because it sounds ikky. Such a grown up I am.

Rubena Fri 08-Nov-13 12:08:31

I would never show up if I needed a jab every 3 months but like the sound of (usually) no periods. I know too many people with massive weight gain on it too - mainly water I suppose, but the hormones can make you hungrier which in their case added to fat gain. I'm very keen to get off hormones.

sybilfaulty Fri 08-Nov-13 12:31:07

I didn't need a local as my cervix was open enough for the tube to be inserted without it. I have had a local in my cervix for something else though and it was fine - a bit stingy but nothing I couldn't manage and I am a complete wuss.

A GP friend of mine advised a couple of paracetamol and a swift drink before and after the coil. I had my appointment at 11.30 though, so did the drugs before and had the wine after. A bit of bleeding for a couple of days (just spotting) then it was all fine. I wouldn't know it was in (although I can feel the string if I ferret around at the top) and DH has never complained he can feel it, so all good for us.

DeidreBarlow Fri 08-Nov-13 12:34:21

Arti DS was a rubbish sleeper. Period. During the day we either went for a quick drive and I had to leave him on the drive with monitor, or push him back and forth in his pram in the conservatory.

Woman coming in an hour with her hubby to see the G Pigs! I hope she takes them (if she's suitable of course) but will be sad to see the little blighters go.

Arrtttiiieee Fri 08-Nov-13 12:47:31

Glad the arm is better Rubes. I might fly jab this year as DS v wheezy and so it would be good up keep the flu out of the house.

Sybs, did you get your curtains? I need to buy some fabric too. Where was the place in Fulham?

Deids, I hope the GPs are on their way to pastures new. Is your DD sad to see them go?

sybilfaulty Fri 08-Nov-13 12:52:00

I didn't get the curtains, Arti, no - I am still planning a trip your way to look at the curtain exchange in Fulham. We could hook ip and go together if you are free? Maybe Fri 22 Nov? would that work for you?

Rubena Fri 08-Nov-13 13:04:26

Thanks Sybs. I think it will be codeine and a G&T for me 30 min prior appt is 10am but don't care smile will have local only if they have a rummage and think it might benefit me.

3 out of 4 of us will have flu shot. Dd booked for her spray up the nose they are offering 2-3 yr olds too. Better ds the only without as at least he loves fruit and veg. Dd a disaster. She's sick now.

DeidreBarlow Fri 08-Nov-13 15:56:54

The pigs have a new home and she bought my indoor cage which was a result too!! DD never batted an eyelid when I told her they'd gone. Proof that she had lost interest...she has asked for a gerbil instead! hmm No.

beans37 Fri 08-Nov-13 16:18:57

Hi all. Arti, I feel your pain. DD3 has been a bit better today, but she screamed throughout DD1's assembly that she was doing a few lines at. Gutted. And screamed all the way back in the car. I forwent swimming as I couldn't face it. Just drained by the screeching!

Anyway, she's finally asleep now. Oh god, spoke too soon!

Rubena Fri 08-Nov-13 17:16:48

I know that feeling of ditch the swimming, even with bigger ones. Hope you get an easier night Beans.

Never mind Deids. For the best. Result selling the cage to them too. Erm agree not on the gerbil! Get a dog!
I fell UP stairs today. Same left arm now elbow is battered. No biggy tho.

Vagolajahooli Fri 08-Nov-13 17:56:09

Fark I'm shattered. I have been flat out like a lizard drinkin' today (wink Rubes). Dutch in the morning, then DS2 & his mate have swimming lessons together so his mum and I do a swap now. One week I take him home and then to swimming and she takes DS1 as her eldest is his friend. Then every second week we swap. So today and had the younger two so we came home, fed them then rounded them up and off to swimming pool. Then quickly popped to the shops during their sesh. Then picked em up rode like the wind to drop his mate off pick DS1 up raced up, got him a quick tea, then straight off to gymnastics. Then back home again via the busiest supermarket on earth (I'd forgotten most stuff I should have gotten on the shop during swimming as I didn't have enough time). Now I'm having a nice cuppa while ds2 & my dinner is cooking. I'm off out tonight to babysit for my mate who is looking after the boys when we go to Berlin. I think I might fall asleep on her couch. Got the early morning swimming ride in the morning. Oh well can't complain, Sunday my mate from Brussels is coming up and three of us are meeting her in Amsterdam for a ladies leasurely lunch and general nattering for the day. You know Amsterdam is a nice place for a meet up. The Rijksmuseum is open now.

Rubes glad your arm is better. So does DD have to wait now for her flu snort.

Contraception is a bit fly by the seat of our pants here. Our official party line is that we use condoms but really we wing it a bit, mostly the pull out method. Dh is pretty good with that. I think we'll look into the snip soon.

Vagolajahooli Fri 08-Nov-13 18:02:00

Oops I wandered off before I sent that post and forgot about. Now I've cross posted with beans and rubes. Sorry about the screamies, I hate those. Could you at least hear dd1's lines.

Rubes that's s bit ouch about the elbow you ok. Also that is a strange place to stick a IM injection. The deltoid is best because it is a big deep muscle, no chance of missing it. But where she jabbed us still muscle. Well it's settled down now so I'm sure it is fine.

Deids I'm glad the cavia went to a good home.

beans37 Fri 08-Nov-13 19:22:25

DD3 finally managed to settle herself for the first time ever tonight. DH gets home from work and is all resentful because I want him to play a noisy game with the bigger DDs downstairs so as not to wake DD3, who is a nightmare at sleep. Seriously. He can be such an obtuse arse sometimes.

Can I join you on the exhausted front, Vag? Feel like I might pass out from it. Forgotten how the screaming wears one out!

Feel like I need to do something for myself for a bit.

Arti, I did bottles from 2 weeks with all the DDs. It's only this ne that seems to prefer it. Am still going to ask the GP about tongue tie at her 8 week appointment next week.

DeidreBarlow Fri 08-Nov-13 19:49:44

Rubes my mum is getting a dog in the new year, and we are going to do a dog share (she pays & we look after it from time to time). Either a cocker poo or a labradoodle

Vag your day is hectic!! I'm exhausted in your behalf. Beans don't blame you for dodging swimming. I hate taking my two on a Thursday.

Mckayz Fri 08-Nov-13 21:41:31

DS1 got a letter about clubs today. He's doing art on Wednesdays and football on Thursdays. As well as swimming on Tuesdays. I'll be shattered. Must dig out the slow cooker.

RTjoke Sat 09-Nov-13 07:31:30

Wow. I was out 'til 2am last night having slept two hours the night before. Great night catching up with friends I haven't seen in so long (including our mutual friend D, Lady) but what was I bloody thinking??? DS slept uninterrupted for the au pair (which he would never do until 2am for me) and then woke every hour from 2-6 when he got up. Yuck, yuck.

Oh and DD2 is the devil child from hell. I'm going on a parenting course next week as I've run out of ideas and she is making our lives a misery with rudeness, naughtiness, hyper behaviour and tantrums.

Vagolajahooli Sat 09-Nov-13 08:04:37

Kayz I feel your pain, being an endless taxi is a chore, though I swear it keeps me fitter. How are you going to do it all without a car though. I can get the boys around on a bike because a) its super bike friendly and b) it's only the boys. And on days like today when ds1 has his earlt swimming club session dh is at home with DS2. But most of the time you don't have DH there. Anyway for easy food, I can recommend pesto pasta, scrambled eggs on toast, either ready made or home made meatballs frozen chucked in some pasta sauce. Oh and cheesy pasta. I try to make a load then you have left over to chuck in a baking dish with some extra cheese ontop and a few bits of bacon and viola its cheesy pasta bake with bacon! Also, if you pick yourself up a cheap rice cooker it easy before you go out to pop some rice on and put a couple of eggs (still in their shells) in with the rice. When you get home they have a boiled egg for a quick protein snack and rice to have with whatever else you are giving them from the slow cooker or I often give them the eggs, rice and a veggie soup I have as left over in the freezer.

RT (love the name) hooray for the night out, get you, you dirty stop out. Poo for the waking DS after you got home. Where is DH? I thought he was back from the war zone? Well done to the au pair.

sybilfaulty Sat 09-Nov-13 08:14:11

Well done on the night out RT but bad luck on non sleeping DS. Au pair seems to have come good. Brill. I was out for my birthday (just the 2 months late!) last night and got a NIGHTBUS home as the tube had stopped running. Can you get a sleep this afternoon? Sorry DD is being a tricky bugger. Mine take it in turns for this alas. Everyone ok for now but it won't last. Is it something we can help with? Huge hugs to you.

Kayz, can you batch cook and put in freezer? I can whip up a vat of bolognese quite quickly and then have meals in a few minutes if I remember to take it out. I feel your after school club pain. M doesn't do any and DD1 (who is y4) does Brownies, piano and choir. Piano and choir are on the same night. Oops. WE have pizza that night as it's quick and easy (for me!). You do an amazing job of looking after your lovely family on your own a lot of the time and the fact that your boys are so well thought of and well liked at school as you said on FB is a testament to how well you do. Bloody brilliant.

Right MIL coming today. Must grout face and take children to ballet. Have a good day y'all.

Rubena Sat 09-Nov-13 10:29:06

Urgh that's harsh RT love how you pop up with new names! Is ds feeding everyone he's up? (Sorry I've lost touch with baby stuff) or can dh get up and pacify? Glad the AuPair had found her stride and hope you get done help re dd2 on the course. Mine like Sybs take turns at being Satans child - right now it's dd although she is sick and dh had to run out for meds last night after not getting in until 8 as she was a mess with sore ears etc. So congested. But the girl will not eat fruit n veg. Ds on good form but that's mainly he's getting older - has ditched pull ups at night himself and is on top of the world as enjoys school. He also thinks every black ball security camera in every shop and restaurant is a direct link to the North Pole, which may have something to do with it! Urgh, have just booked him one of those god awful soft play birthdays. Well he has been good.....
Right dh working again, I'm off to swimming lessons then butcher and farm shop. How big a leg of lamb will feed 6 adults and 2 kids? Will ask butcher. Mils birthday tomorrow. Thankfully Ocado arrived with loads of wine to get me through wink

Rubena Sat 09-Nov-13 10:29:30

Every time rather?

JamInMyWellies Sat 09-Nov-13 10:35:26

Will be back later to do a proper catch up. On our way to the airport with DH.

Much admiration for your late night RT. I made a vvvv drunk DH leave dinner last night at 11.30 as I was knackered and pissed off at being v sober with 5 other vv drunk people.

Vagolajahooli Sat 09-Nov-13 11:35:51

Rubes I read Satan wrong and thought you'd said Santa? Was confused as to what it meant, that they were red, round and jolly or enjoyed giving gifts to the children of the world. I understand now. Hooray for Ocado arriving with vino.

Sitting at the kitchen table drinking coffee and fortifying myself. Cycle to swimming was a bit tiring today. I do love my Saturday morning ride with DS1 to the pool, but just felt a bit Bleurgh this morning. And then to add insult to weariness it pissed down on the way back. I really need to sort out some wet weather gear.

DH has very kindly taken the boys to violin and recordernow. They have their private lesson as I cried illness on Tuesday so she popped us in today and then they have a group lesson which DS1 loves but DS2 can be a bit not into so will see how DH goes with that one. Ds2 has been a lovely little fellow to be around lately, but if he doesn't like something he can be a bit of a poo to be with.

Hello Sybs haven't clocked your presence, sorry, I do quite like having you around. I'm quite into shoving two activities into one afternoon, gets them out of the way and saves messing up another evening.

Vagolajahooli Sat 09-Nov-13 11:38:55

Jam sorry you were stuck with drunkeness when you were sober. Not much fun.

Rubena Sat 09-Nov-13 12:27:43

Ha vag. Def not Santa's children. By any stretch.
I meant to say oooo I was slightly hmm when you said the egg in the rice cooker thing mainly as when I was young watching mum cook once, I was sucking an egg (literally) and mum said "yuk that's come out if a chickens bum you know, you will get sick from that" !! I've never gotten past that! However, I'm loving the idea. Guess if the egg has been washed it's no biggy. I'm going to try that next time I do rice.

beans37 Sat 09-Nov-13 13:51:47

And don't forget, the rice will be boiling so all impurities from egg boiled out...

RT how are you feeling? I had dream night from DD3 last night for first time. 9pm feed from formula, then 3.30am and 7am. No inbetweeners. I think because it was a very calm feed at 3.30 with no back arching and screaming and less air taken in. Then 4 enormous belches after. From DD, not me. Although I'm not averse to a belch or 2.

Been gardening this morning and now just hanging. DDs loving it and DD3 didn't sleep at all this morning, til 11am. Been sleeping since. Nice. Loving a weekend with nothing in the diary.

Jam, how are you coping on your own? Did you make it back from airport?

Sybs, good to see you again! Come back regularly! Vag, you and DH are super parents! How do you squeeze so much in? I didn't even manage one after school club this week!!

beans37 Sat 09-Nov-13 14:53:00

I also dreamt that Dad came back to meet Tory, but could only stay for a day. It was the most wonderful and horrific dream all in one as I just wanted him to stay for always and he couldn't.

Vagolajahooli Sat 09-Nov-13 15:49:00

Rubes it's quite unnecessary as Beans says because of the temperatures, but I do give the eggs a little scrub with the scourer side of the kitchen sponge. I once saw a little brown chook poo smudge on an egg and ever since then have washed them. I also turn them so the pink stamp thing isn't touching the rice. I'm sure it doesn't hurt but it turns the rice grains close to it pink. Otherwise I love eggs in the rice cooker. However, I love soft boiled eggs for toast soldiers and have found they can be done perfectly in the Thermomix.

I don't want to sound freaky and spooky. But I believe my dad visited both my boys when they were little. My SIL had similar experiences after my nieces where born and she is sure it was my dad meeting his grandchildren. It's a nice thought anyway.

beans37 Sat 09-Nov-13 16:03:34

In what way, Vag?
Had a sad moment the other day when DD1 pointed at a picture of Dad and asked who he was as she couldn't remember. Hurt my heart a bit, but she was only 3 when it happened so I can't be surprised. DD2 has o chance of remembering!

Rubena Sat 09-Nov-13 16:33:39

Ah yes very good points. I clearly didn't boil the egg before I sucked on it that day my mum was baking a cake. I'm going to do that next time as I love eggs.
Arti I'm pretty sure I need the parenting course over you. I just cried in the car after a traumatic 15 mins with both in waitrose. Even more depressing since I had Ocado here this morning! Not sure if it was due to their behaviour or how much I spent on lamb. Miss the price of lamb back home. Oh and the dcs apparently thought I had said "LegoLand" as opposed to a Leg of Lamb. No wonder their behaviour sucked.

Wine will be opened momentarily.

Rubena Sat 09-Nov-13 16:37:43

I'm going to blame the progesterone only pill..... Roll on Tuesday.

Rubena Sat 09-Nov-13 16:47:43

Beans must be hard. At least they can be shown photos and all have such good memories of him.

Ds has started asking about grandpa etc and "didn't he want to live with grandma" exactly what I predicted would happen about the age now. This is a lot if my resentment with mil I think. She had made it such an evil subject and won't even discuss it with anyone. We'll I like him and if no one is prepared to say anything, I'll always say what I think of him as I ve no reason to think otherwise. And as for sil - she'll never get it as she never had kids angry

DeidreBarlow Sat 09-Nov-13 17:23:47

Beans that's tough about the photos. DS had no recollection of MIL, yet does still remember my GPs which is tough on DH.

Rubes sorry I had to laugh at 'legoland/leg of lamb'. Not so much fun for you though. We just been to cinema and it's right next to waitrose. DH suggested we went in to collect some stuff. But I just couldn't bear the thought of it with both DCs. One is usually okay but both together is a disaster waiting to happen. Have a large one, strictly soonwine.

Rubena Sat 09-Nov-13 18:14:43

Wine poured Deids. Massive relief after ordering 6 bottles if something I've never tried before and it's drinkable yay! (6 bottles to get 25%off) Dh home any minute. About to hand over all kiddie related duties. That said they are all fed, bathed and milked so only teeth and reading for ds. Think I've covered most if the painful stuff wink will do dinner then it's strictly & XFactor

Rubena Sat 09-Nov-13 18:17:22

Totally get that avoidance taking two to the shops. Disastrous. Kids with zero sleep, dd ill and hi hormone pill at wrong time of month didn't work out well. It was a shambles. Tomorrow's a new day...... Mil bday! [sigh]

Mckayz Sat 09-Nov-13 18:47:01

Luckily my Mum lives round the corner from school. So I can pick DS2 up and go there and not have to go home and out again. The clubs start on the 20th so only a few weeks of it before DH gets back. DS1 loves them, especially art. He loves doing drawing and painting.

It's the dinner that's a problem. I never remember to get chicken etc out of the freezer to put in the slow cooker. So we tend to have pizza or chicken nuggets.

JamInMyWellies Sat 09-Nov-13 18:53:12

Children fed strictly on.

SOrry for all the hideously behaved children. Mine are being remarkably good today. Prob because DH in his guilt gave them a tenner each. So with pocket money they had been saving DS1 had £20 inc his tooth fairy money and DS2 £15. I decided in my stupidity to drive under the M25 and go home via Lakeside. An hour later in Smyths toy shop and I was losing the will to live. But cheered my self up by purchasing loads of crap from M&S for the next few days.

Can I also have a little boast not told my local friends as it causes school gate angst. But DS1 has been moved into Yr3 for his phonics and spelling as he is doing so brilliantly. The teacher told me he really is a lovely boy who is rather clever. grin

So sorry not to come back and update re DH and LA. Obviously he has gone. There was one hell of a barney on Wed eve. It transpires that they had wanted him to do LA - SF - Connecticut then on to Toronto. In the space of 10 days. Thank god he said no way to that. I am terrified that I will go into labour while he is away. Even though I know this is super unlikely. It also look like he will be in NY at the end of Jan. I have told him if he is in the city we got married in for our anniversary and I am not with him there will be hell to pay. No idea what i would do with 3 children to make sure I was there though.

Going back to the after school activities my 2 are ridiculously busy. Really think something will have to give in the NY. Especially as we have to drive everywhere at least 30 mins. Makes for a very tiring end of the day.

Rubena Sat 09-Nov-13 18:56:27

Dh home. Strictly sky plus -ed 80's dance party in full force. grin

Vagolajahooli Sat 09-Nov-13 18:59:32

I meant its a nice thought that the dads know/meet the GC's in some way. Must have been hard hearing Dd2 ask who he is. It makes me sad to think that the boys have no emotional connection with my dad, he is just some distant relative to them. My friend who died 7 years ago his girls where 1 & 3 years when he died and they have no recollection of him and that breaks my heart.

Rubes the leg of lamb made me snort, sorry but that is so funny. Hooray for lots of vino.

We were supposed to go to a miniland here for their 'illuminations' but it was raining so we met a friend and her kids for pizza instead. The kids were ok-ish but I think the restaurant was happy to see the back of us.

Vagolajahooli Sat 09-Nov-13 19:02:57

Sorry cross post Jam. Could you take DS3 & leave the other two with inlaws?

Vagolajahooli Sat 09-Nov-13 19:04:09

Sorry beans I meant nice that it feels as if the dads have met them in some way. I'm sounding mental now.

JamInMyWellies Sat 09-Nov-13 19:10:25

Vag I nannied for some boys whose mum died when they were quite young. They dont have loads of memories of her so I always try to talk about her when I see them to keep a bit of memory for them.

Unfortunately after the Sth Africa debacle with the boys I am not happy to leave the fellas with the inlaws to go away. Also FIL having an op in a couple of wks which will leave him very immobile for a while so dont think it would work. I guess I could leave some food out for them and pop a key on a bit of string so they could get in and out the house.wink

Vagolajahooli Sat 09-Nov-13 19:28:34

Do they need to go out?

JamInMyWellies Sat 09-Nov-13 19:39:05

Just to school. But you know they are pretty good lads so am sure would be ok. Especially if I left the telly on. grin

Rubena Sat 09-Nov-13 19:52:04

What happened with the sth Africa trip jam? Remind me. Urgh right my evening most going to start, and I'm knackered after my stayin alive moves.

Mckayz Sat 09-Nov-13 19:56:48

My bloody nose is completely blocked. Moan moan moan. Feeling very annoyed.

JamInMyWellies Sat 09-Nov-13 22:08:03

Sam Bailey, outstanding tonight.

I really need to go to bed but some cocksuckers keep letting off fireworks and the dog is going mental.

Vagolajahooli Sun 10-Nov-13 08:38:53

Kayz poor you apart from flying solo, this is the worst time of year to feel crap I think. It is warm enough to still kind of get the kids outside but when you feel crap who wants to go out!

Rubes Jam's DS' were unwell when they went away last time. We are going to Berlin for a few days at the end of the month and I'm starting to have wobble about it. I think I might keep them both off school for the couple of days before it to reduce the chance of them catching anything. Might start boosting them up with vitamins too.

I'm about to jump on a train to Amsterdam for a laydees day out with a couple of good friends. Should be nice and relaxing.

Vagolajahooli Sun 10-Nov-13 08:39:16

Kayz poor you apart from flying solo, this is the worst time of year to feel crap I think. It is warm enough to still kind of get the kids outside but when you feel crap who wants to go out!

Rubes Jam's DS' were unwell when they went away last time. We are going to Berlin for a few days at the end of the month and I'm starting to have wobble about it. I think I might keep them both off school for the couple of days before it to reduce the chance of them catching anything. Might start boosting them up with vitamins too.

I'm about to jump on a train to Amsterdam for a laydees day out with a couple of good friends. Should be nice and relaxing.

Vagolajahooli Sun 10-Nov-13 08:39:34

Oops sorry posted twice!

beans37 Sun 10-Nov-13 18:36:04

didn't watch Strictly or Xfactor last night. Watched Ironman 3. Really enjoyed it.

We've been for a lovely family walk today in Hatfield Forest. amazing fun. The big girls were so good and had such a laugh. The dog behaved beautifully and DD3 slept through the whole thing. Perfect! such a gorgeous cold day. then a picnic on a bench by a lake. happy days.

and girls so hungry they ate all the enormous portion of spag bol I gave them. whoop whoop!

now sitting on sofa with DD3 conked out on my knee. I know I'm breeding bad habits. I need to start settling her in her cot. not sure how to do it. just can't face the screaming that will ensue!!

beans37 Sun 10-Nov-13 18:37:05

PS DH also doing a v noisy bath upstairs so DD3 wouldn't be able to sleep at all.

JamInMyWellies Sun 10-Nov-13 20:04:04

I love Hatfield Forest Beans go there all the time. She is still super weeny I wouldnt worry about having her up and in bed and settled.

beans37 Sun 10-Nov-13 20:18:07

Another place for us to meet up Jam! we can walk our weenies together in the new year. It is glorious when the sun shines.

And you're right about not worrying about where she goes to sleep yet.

Am watching The Escape Artist episode 2. terrifying.

JamInMyWellies Sun 10-Nov-13 20:33:53

I spent most of that programme hiding behind DH.

I have just eaten a share bag of doritos, sour cream and salsa for dinner. Fatty emotion. I did make a massive chick pot pie with lots of veg and cauli cheese for a late lunch so thats ok isnt it??

Rubena Sun 10-Nov-13 21:41:04

Ahhh I see Jam / Vag - I read it as though something happened that the in-laws did while you were in Sth Africa Jam, made you not want to leave them in charge again or something. Am I correct in thinking you just don't want to leave them with anyone at all in case they are ill whilst away?

Beans, sounds like a postcard perfect day - then it was when I saw your pics on fb!

I cooked a lovely 3kg leg of lamb, infused with red wine, garlic and rosemary, plus crème fraiche mashed potatoes, honey roasted parsnips, broccoli and carrots for mil bday - call me Nigella grin
mil had a nice day, and managed to be kept out of the kitchen, but the passive aggressive behavior raised it's ugly head again with the subject of Christmas and the rest.... [sigh]

Someone fell off the treadmill again at the gym this morning! twice in a week I've seen this happen! what are the odds.....

it was a lovely day but bloody chilly.

JamInMyWellies Sun 10-Nov-13 21:57:10

No Rubes, they did break a child and didnt tell us until they randomly mentioned it as they left. Ruined freshly painted walls, put dirty clothes back in the cupboards loads of stuff actually.

Well done with MIL.

Vagolajahooli Sun 10-Nov-13 22:33:42

Omg Jam I don't remember that. I thought one of the monkeys had a temperature and you were worried about going away. Who was that then, must have been someone else on here.

Had such a lovely day, lots of giggles a delish aperol and prosecco lunchtime treat. And finished the day off with a massage before catching the train home. DH had cooked a yummy tea so feeling quite relaxed. Missed the boys a teeny bit.

Rubena Sun 10-Nov-13 22:59:32

Good God, don't remember that much detail either! I totally understand. Makes my mil sound like passive aggressive Mother Theresa.
In a dilemma about Christmas plans, and also planned to take dh to work next. Anywho, bit wound up and full of bubbles, so must sleep on it. I know I'm also upset about ongoing db situ. Wish I didn't dwell on things so much [sigh]
good nights all x

RTjoke Mon 11-Nov-13 09:32:41

Have you survived the weekend without popping Jam? When does your DH return (& when is you EDD?)?

Rubes, sorry to hear things still aren't great with your brother. What is happening now?

JamInMyWellies Mon 11-Nov-13 09:41:44

Rubes my MIL is saccharine sweet passive aggressive. Normally doesn't ever make comment about DH going away. When he did the 3mth 7day a wk thing never once contacted me to ask if all was ok. Never mentions getting in touch if I need help. Then on Fri eve neither of our reg babysitters could come so had to ask them to sit. When she left all sweetness and light I will be in touch over the wkend see how you are getting on and don't forget to call us if you need anything. shock But DH was there so it was a real show for him. Then walking out the door said cant help if you go into labour though. And surprise surprise not a dicky bird from them all wkend.

Whats happening with your DB, is this all from when they visited ages ago?

RT how was your sleeping last night, any better?

Rubena Mon 11-Nov-13 10:00:13

wow Jam - how crappy. Just don't bother telling them until a bit after you've had the baby. Evil me.

Oh I don't know. Brother and I have always been quite close. ie calls on Skype, messages every other day or so just about nothing really. Since the post holiday fall out it's all changed. He would say he's talking to me, (and does to Mum) but it's only if I ask a specific question, and then it's one word answer text. He thinks I need to apologize, but I know his GF (and he) overheard incorrectly / misunderstood / only heard part of it so I refuse to when I don't think I should. Mum agrees (she was at end of phone) but won't get involved. I'm sure it'll mend in time, but makes me sad. Been going on since Beginning August. Stupid part is, his GF screamed and swore at me in a drunken rage one time when I was in a posh kids shop at Westfield, and I got ushered out of the shop. Not one word from her or him about that. It was so bad I refused her tickets not long after, then it just sort of blew over.

Rubena Mon 11-Nov-13 10:03:25

that was years ago but point is I never got an apology from either of them. And even if I did say a few things about them that fateful phone call -gate night in Summer - it was all stemming from my disappointment with their focus of holiday with us etc. Nothing sinister. Anyway, too long and complicated and multifactorial to explain on here. Just gets me down. Probably just all need to get together again, except not sure when that would be.

JamInMyWellies Mon 11-Nov-13 10:06:28

Thats crap Rubes. I can only sympathise I fell out with one of my sisters and it took several yrs to get better so I understand your pain. Have some flowers and a brew and of course wine

RTjoke Mon 11-Nov-13 11:03:49

It's really sad when disagreements rumble on Rubes. I can imagine you feel sad. Any chance of a trip to Oz next year.

Thanks for asking about sleep Jam. No better I'm afraid. This morning I decided to try getting DS to nap in his cot (I normally feed him to sleep on my bed) and he screened for 45 mins with me going in every two mins. I eventually gave up. He starts nursery in two months and they aren't going to breast feed him on a cosy king size bed every time he is tired. Every time I do any kind if controlled crying our au pair is so visibly distressed that I feel like Cruella De Ville and give in.

Talking of nursery my work have today agreed to my bid to work a short Thursday and work from home Friday. So I will be home after school two days a week which will feel so different to my old hours. I will work v l

RTjoke Mon 11-Nov-13 11:06:22


... V long hours Mon-Weds ('til 10pm on Mondays!) but DH has negotiated a short Monday so he can do school pick-up then. I feel so good that the girls will have one or other parents at home with them after school three days a week for the next few years. Plus DS will only do two long days and two short days in nursery. I feel we may have cracked this work/life balance thing AND DH will be really involved.

DeidreBarlow Mon 11-Nov-13 12:51:51

Rubes sorry that the situ with your DB is still rumbling on. It sucks big time.

Jam, your MIL sounds like my sisters MIL. My BIL is in the Navy, used to be away 8/9 mths at a time and her PIL never once picked up the phone to see if she was okay, how she was coping with 3 boys all under 7, never visited or anything. It drove her mad because as soon as BIL came back they were phoning up, all pleasant on the phone, when can they visit etc etc. My sister actually stopped speaking to her MIL completely. Think its been about 5 years nowshock

Arti glad your working hours are looking good - when are you going back?

Rubena Mon 11-Nov-13 14:49:43

Don't know re trip to aust arti. Next year could be tricky as I have a green card to sort out in the US. Alsoa potential US wedding and probably dh moving place of work again (last time)
Just off the dreadmill. No time for primping so guess I'm turning up for school run a disheveled mess again. grin

Rubena Mon 11-Nov-13 14:50:08

Oh and arti that work set up sounds fab!

Vagolajahooli Mon 11-Nov-13 18:55:58

Argh I feel Bleurgh. After my lovely laydees day out yesterday I feel crap today. Tummy pains and general tiredness. Ds1 has something similar and was off school today. Ds2 is fine but I kept him off as easier than having to pick him up. We mostly watched Animal Planet channel while I dosed on & off all day. Can't believe how much I have slept. I have to be really tired or sick (or on night duty) to sleep during the day. I had to miss crossfit and I'm not sure if I'm going to make Pilates tomorrow.

Rubes, is it the GF who is causing the problem with DB. I mean maybe there was the initial supposed insult that she has continued to whinge about to him so he won't leave it because she keeps at it. DYKWIM.

Arti that all sounds great with the job. Don't worry about the nursery naps for DS. Ds1 would never nap in his cot at home and would only ever feed or be walked in his pushchair to sleep. But at nursery apparently he was one of their best sleepers. He used to happily lay down played with his blanket for a bit then off to sleep. Bizarre

Rubena Mon 11-Nov-13 19:15:02

I don't know Vag, I mean, He let rip on my claiming HE overheard me bitching as well, but to be honest, I think they both genuinely believe what they thought they heard, and my mum won't say to them, what she said to me ie mum said " I cannot believe they are reacting like this - you didn't say very much bitching to warrant this" (she was the other end of the phone call that night, and she was also sober grin) She says she's "suggested" they are over-reacting, but she doesn't want to labor the point as she has had a bit of a one sided relationship with my db of and on at times. They are going to be with them at Christmas, and she said she will have a chat with them, but tbh I'm fed up, and if she does my db will say "I am talking to her" (but he's not really if you know what I mean) Urgh, I don't know.

Hmm Vag, tiredness, sicky feeling, withdrawl method, Maybe you're clackered!??!! grin

Rubena Mon 11-Nov-13 22:46:12

The prettiest Xmas wrapping paper is ever seen bought from Costco is quite possibly the most messy and annoying ever. Tape doesn't stick, glitter everywhere. OCD thru the roof. grin

Vagolajahooli Tue 12-Nov-13 08:42:08

Crikey that reminds me Rubes we've not bought or eventhought about what to get the boys for Christmas. It needs to be ssmallish as we need to drive them all over to Austria. We can get a couple of bigger things and give them those for Sinta Klaus here on the 5th December. I might be cheeky and buy them some new clothes with characters they like on them. They are both really into mine craft at the moment and star wars Oh might also get the lego star wars wii game. Oh and DS1 is right into the beast quest book series so might get a few more of those. Wow I'm answering my own questions. Anyone with older ones (6+) what good chapter books in English are kicking about these days. We have read most of the Walliams books and DS1 is quite into fantasy novel type stuff and knights and Archery. Any recommendations? I might also freshen up their dress ups box.

Vagolajahooli Tue 12-Nov-13 08:43:57

Haha and definitely not that Rubes. Would have to almost be immaculate conception. Still feeling crap today but feel on the mend at least. I have skipped pilates in favour of tidying the house and getting some reading down for uni.

Rubena Tue 12-Nov-13 08:58:23

Am waiting outside Boots for it to open like some kind of addict. Going to get strongest codeine I can get over counter. Perhaps I won't pose the question to pharmacist like that. Dh forgot / had no time to get it.

Rubena Tue 12-Nov-13 09:12:59

The answer is, not very strong [sigh]

Rubena Tue 12-Nov-13 09:42:12

Dh just said have a good rummage in the first aid kit. Found exactly what I just bought. Pissy strength codeine. Gin and tonic it is then....

TheInvisibleHand Tue 12-Nov-13 10:41:49

sorry to post and run, but in answer to your question vag, Mr Gum series (Andy Stanton) very popular in our house. There is a great audio book set as well, which is one of the few that doesn't make me want to shoot myself after it has been on for the 6th time on a long car ride...

TheInvisibleHand Tue 12-Nov-13 10:41:56

sorry to post and run, but in answer to your question vag, Mr Gum series (Andy Stanton) very popular in our house. There is a great audio book set as well, which is one of the few that doesn't make me want to shoot myself after it has been on for the 6th time on a long car ride...

TheInvisibleHand Tue 12-Nov-13 10:42:12

sorry to post and run, but in answer to your question vag, Mr Gum series (Andy Stanton) very popular in our house. There is a great audio book set as well, which is one of the few that doesn't make me want to shoot myself after it has been on for the 6th time on a long car ride...

TheInvisibleHand Tue 12-Nov-13 10:57:04

aargh not sure what happened there. you can tell I don't do this a lot. stuck waiting for v late colleague. annoying

TheInvisibleHand Tue 12-Nov-13 10:57:39

aargh not sure what happened there. you can tell I don't do this a lot. stuck waiting for v late colleague. annoying

JamInMyWellies Tue 12-Nov-13 11:15:39

Am losing the will to live. At cash and carry with chair of PTA. Trying to get stuff for disco and Christmas fair. Really the most irritating person ever.

DeidreBarlow Tue 12-Nov-13 14:44:15

Are you ill rubes?

Jam hope you survived the Cash & carry!!

RTjoke Tue 12-Nov-13 18:19:50

Living the dream, if the dream is a terrible nightmare. DD1 just copiously & violently commend all over packed tube train. Sick everywhere, on commuters, flowing down carriage floor etc. there are no words to describe it really. DD2 then had massive tantrum as she didn't want to get off tube.

RTjoke Tue 12-Nov-13 18:20:24

For commend read vomited.

sybilfaulty Tue 12-Nov-13 19:13:25

Oh arti, how dreadful for you. How are you both now? I know you don't like sick but you have done so well to manage your phobia. I remember Dd1 did a huge wee in a packed train when she was about 5. I didn't know one child could produce so much but it went everywhere. Lots of people looked sympathetic abs I decided I wouldn't recognise those who didn't so it didn't matter. Poor A. Hope super au pair helping and that Dh is home and helping you to deal. So sorry darling. Big hug xxxx

JamInMyWellies Tue 12-Nov-13 19:17:34

Oh Arti god you poor thing. Well done for coping. How's DD2 now? I hope DH is on hand to help. Big hugs and a stiff drink needed.

DH now staying in US for another couple of days. He's flying to SF this evening. It means he will get to meet my 4wk old nephew before me. Now home on Saturday.

RTjoke Tue 12-Nov-13 19:38:58

Oh Jam I can't believe they extended his stay. How many weeks exactly are you? How are you feeling?

I have to say that the au pair saved the day again today. She was on the tube with me and she wiped DD1 down and held her hand & stroked her hair as she continued to be sick.

sybilfaulty Tue 12-Nov-13 19:44:13

Poor wee girl. How rotten for her. Glad au pair is proving worth her weight in gold.

Jam, there had better be diamonds in this or a handbag at the very least.

Rubena Tue 12-Nov-13 21:30:21

Oh Arti hope dd feeling better. Well done AuPair again. Dd pissed in wine section if Waitrose once. Awful for all.
Jam how frustrating he gets to see the bub first! At least it's only 2 days extra not 2 weeks.
No deids it was for the coil fitting as I'd googled too much! Couldn't get any decent painkillers in the end. Anyway as Sybs said, it was completely fine - even with the faffing around the nurse did with her chair height and having to triple check the coil box for the right size / type one! No sense of urgency - while metal clamps and a tube are in my twot at all. Even her assistant not fetching the stuff very fast as too engaged telling me about her family house in the Philippines! (all fine there but family house has roof ripped off - sad) Not saying it was a pleasant experience, but def not necessary for a local anaesthetic! Anyway will keep you posted if the devil leaves me on no hormones grin

Very lovely report back from the patent teacher meeting tonight too so I think the boy deserves a trip to the waterslides!

JamInMyWellies Wed 13-Nov-13 00:31:19

Am 35wks so still loads of time to play with. Actually feeling ok this wk apart from the usual tiredness and the pelvic pain reared its head again. But ok really. Weirdly I don't mind the extra couple of days he is there now what's a extra two days.

RT that au pair really has stepped up. Well done her box of chocolates her way. Hope your evening has got better.

Rubes had to laugh at the pudding in the wine aisle. Really wouldn't have been appropriate anywhere else. gringringrin

Just got back from a lovely night with some girlfriends. Far too late to be up on a school night but it was long overdue and fab

JamInMyWellies Wed 13-Nov-13 00:32:27

Pudding??? Bloody iPhone. Pissing pissing in the wine aisle.

beans37 Wed 13-Nov-13 05:53:15

I reckon 5.45am counts as DD3 sleeping through the night, doesn't it??? 8 weeks old today! Great girl. She may be a devil in the evenings, but that's brilliant!

RT, your au pair has turned out fab. Well done her and you for coping. Brave thing.

Jam, you are very stoic. Lunch next week to celebrate??

beans37 Wed 13-Nov-13 05:54:24

PS Also love the weeing in Waitrose. She's clearly a Lidl girl at heart....

Rubena Wed 13-Nov-13 07:34:44

Wow jam didn't realise you were even that far along. Exciting grin
Nice work beanette 3. Long let it continue.

Rubena Wed 13-Nov-13 07:36:14

She's prob more aldi girl grin
Actually she thinks she's a princess so maybe Marks grin it was some time ago back in TT time, so I forgave her and she was devastated!

DeidreBarlow Wed 13-Nov-13 08:24:37

Ah Rubes forgot about the coil. Glad it was okay(ish!). Peeing?! In Waitrose?! Hilarious. Although I imagine not so much at the time. DD once pooed in a swimming pool on holiday. She wasn't even 3, kept asking to go but DH and I were in the middle of a 'heated' chat. By the time one of us went to lift her...well not good!!blush

Beans definitely classed as slept through. Clever girl.

Arti what a star your Au Pair is. I'm so glad she was with you. How is DD1 today? Hope it was a one off thing and not a bug.

JamInMyWellies Wed 13-Nov-13 08:28:55

Beans totally slept through. Well done mini bean, and yes to lunch next wk. What days are you free again?

RTjoke Wed 13-Nov-13 09:02:35

Wow Beans! DS has done 7-5.30 once in his whole life and he is six months. Go Beanette.

Glad you are sanguine about the extended trip Jam.

Can you feel the coil now it's in Rubes?

Where is Lady?

And "hi" to lurking Invis.

DD1 fine this morning. A friend's toddler was sick at our house on Sat and since then her whole family have fallen one by one so I am pretty sure we aren't out of the woods yet but I am surprisingly calm about it.

Vagolajahooli Wed 13-Nov-13 09:37:04

Crikey RT, I'm not surprised you are calm about the prospect of more, you've coped with the unthinkable on the tube, could it really get any worse. You & AP had to deal with a truely horrifying scene. How did you clean up the other tube passengers. Did everyone exit at the next stop?

Jam poor you, will look forward to hearing what he gets you. I have a friend here and her DH is away in either the US or Singapore 2 weeks out of every month. He was complaining that on this last trip he was not in first class so hadn't slept and was jet lagged. His wife had just spent the last two weeks dealing with their 3 & 6 year old, both who had been unwell and not sleeping properly, plus she has a suspected hernia and ended up with an infection in a cut on her finger. As you can imagine he got no sympathy from us wifeys.

Hooray for a good report Rubes. DS2 has his first proper parent teacher meeting today, in a couple of hours actually. I'm sure it will be pretty straight forward. DS1 doesn't have one today as we have the special meetings with his teacher. Apparently he's done his special test and we'll meet with his teacher about the results soon. Part of me keeps hoping that they'll actually discover he is some sort of misunderstood genius. But I don't think so.

RTjoke Wed 13-Nov-13 09:56:01

He will be a misunderstood genius in his own way Veg. He is such a lovely boy and so talented at sport, music and languages, he really is a sort of genius.

We didn't clean up the other passengers. I offered baby wipes but the whole Tube carriage just stared and stared. The sick was mainly on the floor but never have you seen one person expel so much so it was sloshing about. We exited at the next stop as DD1 was still retching and I couldn't begin to clean up that much sick armed only with a few wipes. Weirdly nobody else exited. I think they were all too stunned and didn't want to follow us. They were also kind of trapped by the sick. It was unspeakable really.

beans37 Wed 13-Nov-13 10:15:10

RT please take heart, DD3 only slept from 10.30-5.45, not 7pm!!

Don't feel about the tube passengers... Imagine the story they've got to tell people now!

Rubena Wed 13-Nov-13 13:23:30

Wow Arti you've certainly been copping a lot of spew (for Vagwink)
No, I don't think you're ever supposed to feel the coil in?
Have been on mission to find dcs mittens / gloves that stay on after meltdown from dd over gloves not going on on school run. Bloody chilly today. Found done thermalite ski type ones with Velcro. Ds's look huge tho. Got dd a new coat too as she's had the same one for 2 winters and it's trashed. Dds swimming at 2.
Yes where is lady? We chatted a week ago about getting together but Lady, are you out there?
Right must get dd sorted.

Rubena Wed 13-Nov-13 16:11:47

Bugger. Just missed a call from my brother when on school run. 1am his time. Then I text & asked all ok. He said yes but then he sent another I didn't get until later, asking me a good time to ring, so now he probably thinks I couldn't care less I think cause he followed up with "fine I get it, I'll only call if it's an emergency" I think he's gone to sleep now. Hopefully this is progress but given the time he called I'm sure it was wine talking. [sigh]

Got dd a gorgeous coat from Gap. Puffa style, long, with frills at the bottom. Even the hood is padded and sort if looks like a snood when not on as a good.

......... Ah he's just called back. All fine and normal. Still up as just back from Perth (they did ironman over there) I am so pleased. Only a 5 min call and nothing spoken about re that phone call situ but he said it was good to talk to me. I hope it's a sign he's drawn a line. smile

Vagolajahooli Wed 13-Nov-13 17:00:17

That's nice to hear, how did their ironman go? Lucky he wasn't drunk might have over done it and end up catching the porcelain bus to deposit a technicoloured yawn wink.

DeidreBarlow Wed 13-Nov-13 18:54:33

Rubes fab news on the call from your bro.

Rubena Wed 13-Nov-13 20:00:02

Yes, hoping he wasn't instructed to call by anyone hmm it was almost over the top nice / formal.
Vag your gonna fit right back in - too funny! Apparently they did ok - and about 20 mins quicker than their first one. He doesn't love it, but she's become obsessed - almost overnight.
DH not home tonight.... again.... [sigh] am knackered though today, so early night.

beans37 Wed 13-Nov-13 20:40:09

Rubes, it's a first step in the right direction, which is great.

tried putting DD3 down in her moses basket upstairs tonight. screamed the house down. bugger.

I'm very windy. pooey.

beans37 Wed 13-Nov-13 20:55:05

I also have a sore lump in my armpit. ouch.

Rubena Wed 13-Nov-13 21:14:46

I get that a lot beans. Often ingrown hair or a lymph node I think

JamInMyWellies Wed 13-Nov-13 22:07:16

Beans I had a dodgy spot a couple of wks ago felt farking enormous but disappeared a few days later.

Rubes am so glad your DB called, small steps.

How sad is this everyone. I just wrote a list of stuff to buy at boots tom, 2 top items Prep H and tenas. WHen did I become someone who reg bought prepH and tena ladies?

ShadyLadyT Wed 13-Nov-13 22:31:40

You have such a good excuse though, Jam grin

So sorry to be AWOL dear girls. The usual crazy rushing plus a bit extra. Will bore you all about it tomorrow as I should have some time.

I didn't even know there was another thread!! I don't think a thread has got to 156 messages before without my having seen any of it!

Rubes, you thought about the Coil and had it fitted, all in that time! I'm not brave enough. No news on No.3, largely cos we keep forgetting to do it at the relevant time. Doh.

Arti - that sick on the tube story was a shocker. Poor, poor you. I actually spent last weekend with our mutual friend D!

I must go as I am blooming shattered - so much to respond to on here - much love to all.

Hons, I'd love to do Secret Santa.

Vagolajahooli Thu 14-Nov-13 08:31:35

Morning ladies. How was everyones sleeps? Beans any chance of a repeat sleep through performance? I wouldn't say I had a bad nights sleep but the bloody catd decided to push the Hamster cage off its shelf and I woke at 6:30am to an almighty crash and hamster cage stuff all over the place. The poor hamster is ok but he was due a clean out of his cage so hamster floor fluff stuff was intermingled with hamster poo poo. Gross. Naughty cat. I've finally cleaned it all up but for some reason the cat is now cross with me and is constantly meowing.

Beans could the sore area be a milk duct, or is it too far into your armpit?

Vagolajahooli Thu 14-Nov-13 08:32:13

Hi Lady lovely to 'see' you as always.

Vagolajahooli Thu 14-Nov-13 08:37:37

Oh and Jam do tena ladies come in thin liners? These days my pelvic floor has improved to a level where I only have ishoos if my bladder is full and I sneeze three times in a row OR if I have to skip or bounce. This is where the thin tena ladies come in. I'm doing this crossfit thing now which I love, but some times we have to skip or do hoping things. The other day I had to do 90 jump ropes x 4 & 30 jumping jacks x 4. It was carnage, and I didn't even think I had anything in my bladder. So I need something to wear with gym tights. And do they...erm...have any deodorising capability?

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 09:10:41

Vag I went into the (sorry tmi) coil fitting on a breakthrough bleed (ever since changing into that awful mini pill) and they said it was fine to put in still. Anyway the bleed I was having has nearly gone even since coil fitted (odd as I was told I'd have bleeding or spotting after it's in for a bit) anyway, I can't use tampons for a week so haven't gone to gym as I was concerned about pad with Lycra. Do you think it would be ok? (Sorry for the subject!)

Massive mitten related meltdown by dd on school run this morn. Seriously, am I the only one who has enormous issues with gloves / mittens on kids?

Vagolajahooli Thu 14-Nov-13 09:20:12

This is my concern Rubs I don't want any obvious pad-age in that area, not that people look (& it's probably better than a wet patch) but you know. I'm not even really sure how to fit it in to my atire as I wear G-bungs (that's for you Rubes).

Omg it is pissing down here I need to find a wet weather solution.

JamInMyWellies Thu 14-Nov-13 09:31:40

You can get super thin ones which according to DH dont show. There are deodorising ones but personally I dont like that awful flowery smell that they have.

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 10:43:48

I'm a permanent g-string (vag that term of yours must be NSW?) wearer so have got done thin "thong" ones but just not sure if they will stay put running. Would hate to have one slide down my thigh somehow. Anyway it's almost gone but will go when dh gets home with one on and report back. wink

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 11:24:45

Urgh me neither jam.

Vagolajahooli Thu 14-Nov-13 13:40:50

Omg Rubes that would be mortifying. Esp as some of the stuff we do includes hanging from a pull up bar frame thing. Imagine if it popped out the bottom of my 3/4 length tights!

Vagolajahooli Thu 14-Nov-13 13:42:01

Mmmm....flowery smell yeah not so good but it's only for the session and if it covers up...erm...anyway.

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 13:58:49

Hopefully we'd notice it before it popped out the bottom. Oh dear. The images in my head now. From what I hear on FB if my mates crossfit sesh's, I can see why you're worried. It's full on. It's a shame wee comes out a different part. Otherwise easy fix.

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 14:00:36

What do you mean need a wet weather solution? Btw

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 14:05:26

Have just taken dd for her flu misting. Meant to be next week but had a cancellation. Let's hope not much fever or anything develops. Not sure I can bare it after her behaviour the last few days.

Vagolajahooli Thu 14-Nov-13 17:46:31

Rubes what do you mean a different part? What easy fix?

Sorry should have said a wet weather cycle clothing solution. My over trousers have lost their water proofness and I keep getting saturated jeans on the school run. I have actually just bought a good poncho as it will cover my head well and has a face cover and will cover my legs. I see now in the context of our other discussion, the words 'wet weather solution' may have sounded a bit icky.

sybilfaulty Thu 14-Nov-13 18:00:08

Vag, you are funny. Wet jeans are the worst though. Take so long to dry and feel cold and euch.

I'm on for secret santa. To be honest, I'd be up for a draw of names quite soon as I'm not too bad time wise right now but shortly work will hot up then ill be stuffed again and santa will come late. Boo! Should we set a date for those of us who are interested to make ourselves known? Who is going to be Santa this year?

Knackered tonight. Kids tea done, chicken for ours, kids to bed then I foresee a cheeky episode of it takes two before Dh comes home. I remember watching it when I was pregnant with Lucy 9 years ago. Happy days.

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 18:11:48

Ah vag I meant the need for tena lady for you is a different need than for me and if you had same prob you could just shove a plug up there. Trying to be cryptic to spare our readers but I think I'm giving the visual anyway. So what I meant is, Shame wee doesn't come out the same hole as period does as tampon would avoid the pad dislodgement worries.

Dh rang to say bike light broke so went to cycle shop for cheapy on the way home. Was expecting 645 arrival and at gym by 7 to test panty liner / Lycra situation but not looking good. He always underestimates.

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 18:14:13

Oh now the crank has completely ripped off dh bike and it's unrideable. He's only got to Richmond park. I predict no gym for me, and a glass of wine poured imminently.

Mckayz Thu 14-Nov-13 18:46:09

Just marking my place. Absolutely shattered after a night out on Tuesday and can not seem to catch up with anything.

Hope everyone is ok

JamInMyWellies Thu 14-Nov-13 19:28:58

Enjoy the wine.

I too was a little unsure of your wet situation Vag, thanks for clarifying.

Am I tempting fate? DH not home until Sat but have decided to start packing a bag for the birthing unit. You guys will see me through wont you?? grin

DeidreBarlow Thu 14-Nov-13 19:40:14

Good grief what's going on with all these leaky bits and the need for weather proofing?!confusedshockgrin Actually have read back and it all makes perfect sense!

Rubes hope you get to the gym but it's not sounding good for DHs bike!

Am worn out. Hate Thursdays as both DCs have swimming but DD is at 4.30 & DS at 5.30. It's too far for me to come home. So I'm just stuck in the changing room for half and hour. Then home and run about like an idiot making lunches for school and dinner!! I've gone past hunger just need a wine!

Indith Thu 14-Nov-13 19:43:39

ditto kayz, I just cannot catch up with everyone! I lurk, think I'm about caught up to do a decent post later on and then by the time I come back to do it you are taking thongs and I'm list again grin grin .

arti hope the vomit leaves you alone for a bit. so pleased your ap is being fab.

On my phone so can't scroll back. hum. May come off the app and go on the mobile site instead so I can scroll back and attempt some sort of catch up. Back soon.

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 19:52:22

Hi Deids, I have that on a Wed at the moment. Drop both off at 840, dd at pre-school until 1pm - collect her - but her swimming not until 2 (home and swimming both 5 min away) so have to go home in between, then collect ds at 3.
DH home in about 10 mins - managed to get let on train before end of rush hour, but have abandoned gym especially since it closes in an hour. Think I might revisit dd's pre-school days.... again. Having M, T, W to get things done and gym is too squashed at the beginning of the week.... But can't decide if I move Tues morn session to Fri or Wed to Fri (which alleviates the 45 min filling in)

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 19:54:00

Deids I thought ds had school dinners - no? I get why people don't post for ages - that happens if I don't - get so far behind it's too hard to go back - then if I do keep up I tend to ramble too much grin case in point.

Indith Thu 14-Nov-13 20:00:50

Nope mobile site also crap for catch up purposes. What I need is my laptop and a note pad.

But dh is downstairs with ds2 who is sort of improving on sleep but still won't go to bed. If he sees me though he fusses and yells and cries for me and won't sleep so I am banished until fh can get him off and in bed. Tis a hard life having an enforced lie down with mn or a book.

Rubs hope family stuff calls down.

Vag I'm not sure my pre baby pelvic floor could have coped with that mental workout and bouncing let alone my post baby one!

Got to say I'm a comfy shorties sort, no danger of anything slipping out here.

got to dress the big 2 as smurfs tomorrow. Should be fun!

Then must do work. Am in a funk about work so I keep starting at books but doing nothing. Must get a grip, find motivation and get back on top. less crap eating, more exercise and general feeling better about myself. Oh and less making an idiot out of myself crying at uni because of another girl pissing me off and pushing me just that little bit too far. More gin might come into it too. I need to drink more. That's a good resolution isn't it?

Much love. Shall be good and check in more. you'll get sick of me making lots of little comments to avoid falling behind again.

Indith Thu 14-Nov-13 20:06:01

Monday is our mad night trying to pick up from childminder and get ds1 fed before beavers. Good job beavers is just a case of doing a drop kick from the door. I often leave dd at home alone and take ds1 to the hall with ds2 tucked under my arm looking very disgruntled as he was half way through dinner.

Other days vary according to what I'm doing with my hours. poor dh. He is very good really.

JamInMyWellies Thu 14-Nov-13 20:13:13

hey Indith.

Our maddest night is a Wednesday. I help at school in the afternoon, so before I go have to make sure packed up tea is ready. Then straight from school to golf for DS1 then 20 mins in-between while I dash to gymnastics for DS2. We get home around 6.30 then its chuck in the shower and straight to bed then I collapse. MOndays and Thursdays are pretty tricky too involving swimming and karate. Great day is Friday no after school activities just home watch a movie or play a game.

DeidreBarlow Thu 14-Nov-13 20:13:55

No DS has packed lunches. He's way too fussy for school dinners. He wouldn't eat anything! Having said that he's taken a liking to pears and raw carrots at snack time which is new. Guess he's just copying his pals.

Indith Thu 14-Nov-13 20:23:11

mine don't get the choice, they have school dinners. ds1 can be an arse. thankfully dd eats everything under the sun.

or slow cooker is our saviour, there are so many times we have to chop everything the night before, chuck it in the show cooker in the morning so we can eat the moment we walk through the door in the evening. I really don't know where is be without my childminder and dh picking up the pieces when I'm on long shifts etc. If I'm on at the weekend dh ends up taking all 3dcs to rugby, coaching ds1s age group, dd goes to her session but has normally had enough about half hour before the end as she is the youngest so then she comes and hangs of his leg and ask the while he has the toddler to deal with. I might complain about him from time to time but I really shouldn't.

Although have I told you that he decided to ignore the pins I left out for the dcs poppies, ignore the suggestion of sticky tape and decided instead that the best way of making sure they didn't lose their poppies was to poke a hole in their jumpers and stick the stalk through.


With a skewer.

2 ruined jumpers.

honestly I'd love to know what was going through his head!

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 20:27:05

Guess I'm lucky ds eats most, as I'm no good getting out the door in the morns - so not a morning person, but wish I was. And I feel quite spoilt actually as it's not an option to have school do lunch at most state schools back home. Will you switch him when they are free next year? DD won't eat most but like Summer, I'm still signing her up - she seems to eat when she's hungry hmm
Must go dh back, and roast chicken ready.

Mckayz Thu 14-Nov-13 20:31:01

DS1's clubs start next week. It's going to be chaos.

I saw GP about the ongoing 3 week period and I'm getting the depo jab 3 weeks early as that should stop it. It bloody better do. This is getting tedious. She said about taking regular ibruprofen for 2-3 weeks but it gives me heartburn. Being a man is so much easier.

Indith Thu 14-Nov-13 20:37:52

3 weeks kayz flipping heck you poor thing. How the jab sorts it.

I'll blame you for stealing mine.

Mckayz Thu 14-Nov-13 20:42:02

It's doing my head in. GP thinks it could be because DD only feeds overnight now. Considering completely stopping but not sure how to really.

Indith Thu 14-Nov-13 20:53:19

Now I know that my anatomy and physiology will not be as good as the gp but I'm at a bit of a loss to see how her only feeding at night would make you bleed non stop.


I'm genuinely curious.

continuing to feed may mean you are not ovulating even though you are having periods. But I don't see the link to prolonged period.

Mckayz Thu 14-Nov-13 20:59:58

It was to do with progesterone. I'm sure it was when you feed your progesterone level raises which stops you ovulating or something. So as she's not feeding as much as she was the progesterone levels have dropped.

She did explain it all. But I'm not sure if that's the right way round.

Indith Thu 14-Nov-13 21:04:55

hmm I suppose you bleed when progesterone levels are low. (The placenta when pregnant makes progesterone, that's what stabilises everything and stops your uterus from contracting)

and prolactin is inhibited by progesterone. This if feeding lots at night and keeping prolactin up you are keeping progesterone down.

But if that followed that it brought on a period and didn't stop then all bf women would be constantly bleeding and we are not.

JamInMyWellies Thu 14-Nov-13 21:09:14

Quick little chuckle for you all.

After speaking to DH at tonight on facetime. DS1 asked if he could face time the Queen. grin

Mckayz Thu 14-Nov-13 21:09:17

I don't know. All too confusing for me.

Indith Thu 14-Nov-13 21:09:48

But to be honest I don't think even the experts quite know how periods and bf are related since they come back at different times for different women. Our can't half muck your cycle around though!

The drop in feeding would certainly make it more likely that your cycle would resume. I'm just confused as to why it would resume and not stop!

After my lovely skipped period I am now awaiting the next one, in day 29 or 30, I forget. Have had cramps and mood swings and everything in the right order, just lacking the period. normally when they come back after a child they go straight to a nice 28 day cycle and behave themselves. ism most miffed that they are not doing the same this time. grin

Indith Thu 14-Nov-13 21:09:48

But to be honest I don't think even the experts quite know how periods and bf are related since they come back at different times for different women. Our can't half muck your cycle around though!

The drop in feeding would certainly make it more likely that your cycle would resume. I'm just confused as to why it would resume and not stop!

After my lovely skipped period I am now awaiting the next one, in day 29 or 30, I forget. Have had cramps and mood swings and everything in the right order, just lacking the period. normally when they come back after a child they go straight to a nice 28 day cycle and behave themselves. ism most miffed that they are not doing the same this time. grin

Mckayz Thu 14-Nov-13 21:14:00

The doctor said hers came back at 5 months with her DC1 and she fed until 22 months and then 6 weeks with DC2 and she fed until 18 months.

I picked the depo jab as everyone said they had no periods at all on it. Not weeks of periods.

Jam, that's great grin

Indith Thu 14-Nov-13 21:17:55

fickle things periods. 4 months, 9 months and 15 months here!

jam I missed that before. That's fab. Hey him to write and ask, see if he gets a response.

DeidreBarlow Thu 14-Nov-13 21:24:05

Yeah will defo sign him up if I'm not paying for school dinnersgrin. TBH he is getting better, but I think he'll be eating cheese panini every dayhmm

My cycle is every 24 days. It's a pain but I'm not going back on the pill even if it was longer.

Vagolajahooli Thu 14-Nov-13 21:44:24

I'm confused Indith & Kayz but the GP seems to say it with confidence. Right on that she was a longer term Bfer, all the female docs I knew stopped early, not really of their choosing but due to very unsocial hours. Anyhoo, I would have thought it would make period irregular but not a long bleed. But if that is a change that happened recently then it might be that. As far as stopping Kayz. With DS1 I stopped offering when he was only having one at bedtime & with DS2 I initiated the stop when he was having two a day, it was a couple of months shy of his third birthday.

We have to make school lunches. Generally its a sandwich or roll with ham, cheese & pesto or peanut butter and honey. Depending on how much of a rush we are in. Plus snacks. They also all have a carton of milk a day at school but DS2 prefers a yoghurt or kwark drink.

Friday is our busy day for activities. But if we're not having activities then we seem to have a troop of kids here for after school play.

Vagolajahooli Thu 14-Nov-13 21:45:15

Jam that is funny about the Queen. I hope you at least looked up if she has an account? Or does she Skype?

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 22:15:54

Too funny Jam.
If you pack a bag that means you won't have to go in grin
How odd Kayz. All beyond me. All I've heard about depo is weight gain, but then trade off is no period! Weren't you talking about having a fourth at one point? Why not just stay off it wink
How's the foot deids? I'm getting a bit achy if I don't exercise the leg daily but might be not stretching in between or colder weather.
Dh should be back earlier tmrw so will pad / Lycra / test then, then hopefully off the weekend and treating ds for a great school report. He chooses bike riding. I'm gonna freeze!

Rubena Thu 14-Nov-13 22:31:22

Oh great. The war of the effing radiators has started.

Vagolajahooli Fri 15-Nov-13 08:00:16

Has your heating gone Rubes?

JamInMyWellies Fri 15-Nov-13 09:15:57

You turn them up DH turns them down?

Vagolajahooli Fri 15-Nov-13 09:20:34

Ha that's what happens here Jam. I've tried to plead that surely it more efficient to just leave them at the same constant temperature.

JamInMyWellies Fri 15-Nov-13 09:48:07

It is more economical to do that Vag. Thankfully ours is all underfloor downstairs so its not easy to change the temp. But I am trying to save money this yr so have turned all the thermostats down 1degree.

Indith Fri 15-Nov-13 09:56:45

WE used to have wards too.

Can't wage war with the fire though. It is either on or off.

RTjoke Fri 15-Nov-13 10:01:25

We had a our radiators bled yesterday. It's made such a difference, our house is properly warm for the first time in ages and ages.

beans37 Fri 15-Nov-13 10:03:52

My periods were back exactly 6 weeks after I stopped feeding both times. On the nose. Weeeeird.

DH and I have been using withdrawal method. Silly billies. Lets hope its worked... Must get some condoms.

I'm doing my Xmas shopping. Trying to decide what to get big DDs. They want emotion pets. Hmmm. Got DD1 the most disgusting animator Disney princess doll for her birthday. But it's what she wanted!!

Now onto stocking fillers...

RTjoke Fri 15-Nov-13 10:19:00

I find stocking fillers easy but am at a loss for big presents. DD2 wants the Play Mobile school but it is over £100. She does play with Play Mobile for hours and hours though. Still I think it's too much. She also mentioned a play kitchen but I think she is too old really. Basically I am stuck.

Rubena Fri 15-Nov-13 10:35:20

Yes he claims that they are set on 22 deg and do therefore that is normal room temp. He looked for a thermometer last night. I don't give a fuck quite frankly what the thermometer says as I'm still cold. This house is a shambles and we can't do much until we own it then underfloor heating going in, and I know the radiators are messed up but dh would happily live in an igloo I reckon.
Urgh I have booked the dreaded soft play party for ds birthday for his school mates. Can't get out of it anymore with all the kids having them!
Dear god, stockings. Big issue with mil when she made them then filled them without telling me. I had done the same as they are MY kids. Was so angry Then this year she asked for them back do she could fill them and I said no don't worry I have got stuff for them to which she replied "no I've already got it all" I'm fuming.
Big presents- ds getting new bike for bday. He wants a remote control space ship that actually flies for Christmas and is going to ask Santa - help! blush Mil is wanted to get dd a bike with stabilizers but not letting her as ds did do well in balance bike.

Indith Fri 15-Nov-13 11:07:25

RT check out the ongoing christmas bargains threads on here. They often link to good deals, I've seen a few playmobil deals.

Honsandrevels Fri 15-Nov-13 19:32:55

Blimey Rubes, I'd be really pissed off if my mil did that with the stockings. I'd wait until much nearer Christmas and then say you haven't got them and you must have returned them to her last year. Could you get dd's a kite in the shape of a rocket? Not exactly remote control though!

I've got dd1 a sylvanian family house, and dd2 is getting a balance bike as their main presents. For dd1's birthday dh wants to get her a full size keyboard. I think she'd prefer Lego! The bargain thread in here is great. I got dd2 the octopod from my parents reduced to £20 after seeing it on there.

Sybs I agree it would be good to set a date to sign up for the secret Santa so we don't leave it till the last minute.

Honsandrevels Fri 15-Nov-13 19:33:38

Rubes that was meant to say ds

Vagolajahooli Fri 15-Nov-13 19:35:42

Ha that's what happens here Jam. I've tried to plead that surely it more efficient to just leave them at the same constant temperature.

RTjoke Fri 15-Nov-13 19:39:53

You or right Veg? Think you said the same thing at 09.20 this morning! Maybe you just feel v strongly about radiators.

Just back from M&S where an old lady mistook me for the au psir's mother!!! She is 19 FFS. Am depressed.

Am off to read the bargain thread.

Vagolajahooli Fri 15-Nov-13 19:43:34

What the....? That was random, the phone seemed to have saved the last post I wrote & then posted it when I rtried to get rid of it.

Poor DS2 had the day off school today because he has a cold. Now he is in bed and coughing his guts up (Rubes wink ). Poor little poppit. He had to miss swimming lessons too. Bit of a bummer as he will have to miss next week when we go away, but he can do catch up classes.

I'm stuck on presents I think we will get DS2 a nikko mini remote control car. The one that go in the water and some ice skates and hope the ponds & canal up the road freeze over again this year. Otherwise, they aren't going to get much use in Australia.

JamInMyWellies Fri 15-Nov-13 21:52:29

Eurgh have just see the prediction for freezing weather and snow next wk. Guess I best get the winter tyres put on Babs.

JamInMyWellies Fri 15-Nov-13 21:57:05

Oh and Christmas I am pretty much sorted apart from DH. Children are getting quite alot but we dont buy stuff during the yr anything they get they have to save their pocket money for. So selection of board games, books and the usual toot for the stockings. For their big joint pressies DH has bought them an ipad mini. Which I am still a bit hmm about as its so much money. But I am a mean mummy when it comes to electrical stuff I am very restrictive on when they can use it.

DS2 is getting a teksta robot dog obviously in pink and DS1 has got him a fart gun for his birthday. Not having a big party but has chosen 4 friends to go bowling and put for pizza.

Rubena Fri 15-Nov-13 22:00:45

Snow next week??blush Didn't hear that yet!
Vag hope ds feels better and stops coughing his guts up (wink) went to the gym when dh returned (very speedily from work with his new crank) but sorry I could not carry out panty liner / Lycra experiment as fortunately spotting seems to have stopped.

Rubena Fri 15-Nov-13 22:06:21

Jam I think we are donating ipad 1 to the kids as dh been offered a freebie new one which will be mine grin because he wants my laptop to take to work as it's small and light for cycling although he is now looking up newer versions of mine hmm Out old ipad was planned to be a lighting control thing but now wants mini for that. Not sure how this house purchase will ever happen! grin

RTjoke Sat 16-Nov-13 06:39:13

Wow. After some truly awful nights of constant feeding and resettling and rocking DH decided we need to stop all milk at night. He slept in DS' room last night and I went to bed at 10 and just woke up now. Longest sleep in nearly a year and still no sign of DS who often wakes for the day before 5. Go DH!!

sybilfaulty Sat 16-Nov-13 06:50:08

Wow, Arti, that's amazing. Is he going to do it again tonight for you? Can you put your head down and get another hour in just in case it's a one off from Mr A? Sleep when you are really tired is so wonderful. It's like a drug. Hope you have a restful day.

I am off to lead a seminar on Corporation tax today. Go me! I keep thinking of the money but it's hard at not even 7 on a Saturday. Kids are all up already though. DH sound asleep. At least they are big enough to help themselves to toast....

DeidreBarlow Sat 16-Nov-13 08:09:48

Lord I have hangover! Went for early birthday drinks last night with my friends. We haven't been out in ages. Way too much wine consumed! Thankfully DD off to a recording studio for a friends birthday in an hour or so, only one to amuse! They are doing a 1 Direction song & she gets her own CD!! She's been wailing like a cat most if the week 'practising'. Will be interesting to see what they sound like grin.

We've bought cheaper tablets for DD/DS at Christmas. Mum has bought them Furbys!! But she got 25% off so They were a bargain. Rubes I totally get the way you feel about the stocking. My MIL was the same. Although 'Santa forgot' and left it at her househmm. That way she got to watch them open it....

The foot sore this morning after heels last night. I went swimming yesterday though. Running still seems a long way off sad

DeidreBarlow Sat 16-Nov-13 08:10:48

Forgot to say Arti that is a cracking nights sleep! Well done DH, is he doing it again?

Vagolajahooli Sat 16-Nov-13 08:37:13

RT I was about to say hmmm not sure about stopping feeds overnight as still little but if DH is willing to put that much effort in than I think it is definitely worth a go. Well done to Mr.Arti.

Jam dh announced last night that we were getting another tablet and I was also a bit hmm. But actually his arguments were fair enough as we are using them like laptops and like Rubes to control stuff in the house and will be doing more of that. Plus he can buy it through his company so a bit cheaper. Deids see if you can take the tablets out and charge them up and use them first. We bought some cheap ones last year for the boys to use on the long drive to Austria for Christmas last year. It was about 30 minutes into the long drive to Austria that we discovered one didn't workasit's battery wouldn't charge properly. We were able to return it. But then just outside the 30 day return period the other one did it too.

DeidreBarlow Sat 16-Nov-13 09:37:37

Yeah we've had a play on them already vag. They are pretty good for the price. They'll certainly do for the DC's.

Man I feel rough. Need to tidy the garden. I hope the fresh air will help me.

Indith Sat 16-Nov-13 09:51:39

wow arti!
He is still little but I guess if he really was hungry then he wouldn't settle for dh and you really wouldn't have slept through it. so of it works and gets him settling between feeds again then that's fab.

ds2 is still selling for dh at night and is improving. He has even fallen asleep in his own bed a couple of times shock . He still quite likes a feed around 4 or 5am though and then dh pops him back in bed.

I got a Wii off eBay for the dc for Christmas. ds1 especially is feeling behind his mates on the tech front. But I don't want stuff they will play too much on alone so went for something the family can play.

I have this fancy new phone too so I'm going to sort out my old handset with some suitable games and then disconnect from the wifi and let them have that.

The Battle of Christmas had begun with who we see when and trying to prise dds birthday presents of people so she can have them on her day and not get handed both Christmas and birthday ones on boxing day.

love Christmas but could do without the stress. grin .

RTjoke Sat 16-Nov-13 09:54:56

Turns out DH had a god awful night with DS awake from 11-2.30 then 4-5. I think he might have a sleep problem because even when I feed him he refuses to settle and is just awake loads in the night. He is six months now so not so tiny Veg, at least not so tiny as to justify the terrible sleeping he displays. He was a pretty great sleeper for the first 10 weeks of his life. I'm not sure what has happened.

RTjoke Sat 16-Nov-13 09:57:58

Sorry to go on about sleep but I just wanted to add that he happily goes down into his cot wide awake at bedtime and puts himself to sleep. Once my other two could do that they also put themselves back to sleep after night wakings. DS just won't. I'm mystified.

Rubena Sat 16-Nov-13 09:58:01

Well done Mr Article! Hope you get another turn at sleeping smile

Hope you feel better soon Deids. Have some OJ with salt in it if you can bear it, or a barocca in lucozade, or if all else fails a Bloody Mary will sort you out! Sorry about the foot. For what it's worth, I felt my leg was an AGE off getting better then sort made a massive improvement almost overnight. Different though I guess as I'd been doing strengthening closed chain stuff at the gym which you can't really do, but nice job with the swimming smile

Hons - yes regarding stockings, "they are in the loft" I'm filling them myself and then she can just deliver the stuff she has at some point if she so desires or bring it Christmas day. I'm going pick what I want to go in from her pile (if anything) take out the chocolate, and then the rest of her things bought for their stockings (without consulting me again) can be little presents under the tree from Santa.
Another issue I have is DH works like a b** and we barely get time to see him these days, and this weekend is the first in many he's off - right on time the email arrives last night from mil "are you around at the weekend"...... I'm so fed up of finally getting a weekend with dh and the kids, then mil wants to be here too. The answer is going to be "no, we are not" I just need a weekend with my immediate family please! DH slept until 930 so better get off here and carry that out then!

RTjoke Sat 16-Nov-13 09:59:57

Sounds like you are making progress with your DS Indith. Good on your DH.

Looks like I'm the only mean mummy who won't buy a tablet/console etc. maybe I should relent but I'm such a screen addict and I don't want the girls to be like me!

Rubena Sat 16-Nov-13 10:00:23

Oh, cross posted Arti - strong coffee for MrA, and let's welcome him into your world! Eeek, hope you get it sorted, are you calling in the pro's then? Can the AP get up?

Rubena Sat 16-Nov-13 10:02:24

I'm a screen addict too Arti, mine are doomed.

Indith Sat 16-Nov-13 10:16:13

RT it has taken me a while before giving in to the technology! Ds1 will be 7 in Jan.

I think I've been mulling it over for a while. A bit ago we did a fab summer activity thing that was a couple of days a week for the summer holidays. It was run by an artist who did animation (wallace and grommet style with plasticine) and he got the kids to make models and then to animate them using the computer. He also had a couple of ipods and things with apps to maniplulate images so they took photos and did cool stuff with them. Ds1 especially loved it and got a lot out of it so I guess I can see what technology can bring and how being familiar with it can be a good thing.

So I have the wii because I'm hoping it will stop him from begging for a ds. And I will pop stuff I consider suitable, mainly stuff to have fun with images and some learning games on the old phone. I feel more comfortable with that that I do letting them play wiht current phone or my computer because I know I can disconnect from internet and they will be totally safe from stumbling upon anything unsuitable and they won't be able to accidentally buy anything!

Sorry Dh had a crap time at night. It was however the first night of doing it!

Being able to settle himself is great even if he only does it at bedtime.

How about you agree that you feed around 11pm and 4/5am but that at waking between that dh settles him? That is a reasonable amount of feeds for his age, you will know in yourself that he isn't hungry and your dh can work on getting him resettling between feeds.

He was only poorly pretty recently too and that can stuff up sleep for a long time. Plus some babies are just like that. So many things could be disrupting his sleep, growth spurts, developmental stuff. Lots of things make their brains buzz and stop them form being able to resettle. He will get there eventually. It just sucks getting there.

You know at 4 months ds2 was dropping off to sleep after a feed all by himself at night and only really waking a couple of times for feeds. He was doing nice 4-5 hour stretches and I thought he would be like ds1 and sleeping 13 hours a night by 6 months.

Ha bloody ha.

A couple of nights ago was the first time he had ever settled himself since then. He is 19 months.

And we are only just now returning to 4-5 hour stretches.

But on a positive note having a cold and stuff isn't ruining any progress the way it used to, he is getting more into sleeping things off.

Busy weekend this weekend. More stuff to tick off the to do list (I have to make lists with things like tidy garden for the winter as dh seems to think the faries will do it), family film night tonight, I promised ds1 we'd go look at shelves for his bedroom, then tomorrow ds1 is playing rugby in Sunderland, I have to take dd to training in Durham and entertain ds2 during it, dd has a birthday party in the afternoon, ds1 is buying some second hand playmobil with his pocket money so needs to go pick that up, dh wants to go rowing at some point. Oh and I have shed loads of uni work. Which is why I'm on MN of course hmm grin. Plus usual house is a shit tip, laundry, ironing etc.

Vagolajahooli Sat 16-Nov-13 10:41:30

Not all Arti I think if it is something you want to stick to for whatever reason then stick too it. We are such an IT household because of DH but I make sure reading gets forced into their lives over the screens. At the moment dS1 can't get enough of books and DS2 still loves being read to and just looking at books. But I think at the moment they have a healthy relationship with the IT stuff. DH is building a server for their mine craft worlds and he is involving the boys in that. He is also going to start teaching DS1 simple programing. So we are trying to balance the screens with a bit of education. The only thing I harp on with the boys is that they sit up properly and engage their abs when they are playing. I've looked after a lot of teenagers with poor posture and crap muscle tone from too much gaming and sitting badly,

Indith, we use the Wii all together. But I find the boys mostly use it when their friends come over. Contra to my initial belief about video games, they are actually quite social. The kids have to work together in games like phineas & ferb and there is a lot of histerical laughing.

JamInMyWellies Sat 16-Nov-13 11:24:04

Do agree with you Vag. Although we also have all the tech. Reading a book and playing lego are by far the most popular in our house. I think you can strike a healthy balance. I allow them to play on our old ipad when we are stuck in the car at various after school clubs and when we travel. It rarely gets used otherwise. They do also use ipads at school every day as part of their lessons. Its the way things are going for the future of our children. I dont think not letting them or restricting access would have a detrimental result. Everyone should do what they feel is best for their children. Thats just parenting isnt it?

Arti well at least DH has a bit more of an idea of how you are feeling. I would be secretly delighted at the huge sleep I had.

Fun morning. Baby had not moved since last night except in extreme pushing of tummy and then not much just a nudge really. So went up to the birthing centre to be monitored for half an hr. Of course the second they put the trace on he was all over the place. The consensus of the midwife was that energetic dancing at the school disco was prob to blame. grin

Off to pick up DH this arvo after DS1 has his karate grading. I have even ironed his Gi for him.

Right really must crack on.

Happy Saturday all.

Indith Sat 16-Nov-13 11:28:16

Much better half an hour on the monitor to make sure than ignoring it.

I die a little inside when someone rings up having not felt the baby move for well over a day.

Mckayz Sat 16-Nov-13 11:47:57

Jam, DD did that. I had a morning of her hardly moving so I went into the hospital. Where she started breakdancing as soon as the monitor went on. Felt like a right idiot

Rubena Sat 16-Nov-13 11:58:58

Back from swimming lessons with ds. now an afternoon of cycling. I'm gonna freeze! Fire side pub meal at the end I hope grin
Yes ds also enjoying his reading and writing thankfully as he's huge on the ipad / computers and actually his teacher was quite surprised at that as she said he doesn't scramble to one when it's computer stuff time at school. I actually caught him using the phonics app unprompted the other day and showing his sister so good balance here. Right. Better get cycle ready

JamInMyWellies Sat 16-Nov-13 15:16:29

Today is going so well. DS2 karate grading has really over run. DH flight has landed an hr early. He is now having to get the train home.

Is it bedtime yet??

beans37 Sat 16-Nov-13 17:14:45

We're not getting any tablets or anything for Xmas or birthdays either. They play with mine enough as it is.

DD3 also turning not hell child at the moment. My back is aching from carting her around as she won't be put down. Hoping its the jabs making her grumpy!

beans37 Sat 16-Nov-13 17:17:14

Sorry, interrupted by DH! Jam, I think you we're definitely sensible to go to be checked. Far better safe than sorry.

I got checked at about 30 weeks as I had pink on loo roll when I wiped after a wee. That's when they found I had Group B Strep, but forgot to tell me til the day before I had DD3 and discovered I couldn't have a home birth. Not that I minded as I'd forgotten how messy the whole thing is!

Jam, Tuesdays good for me xx

Rubena Sun 17-Nov-13 17:11:22

Back to back pub meals. Celebrating dh being home more than 10 hours in a row.
Love British pubs

beans37 Mon 18-Nov-13 12:30:53

Up from 1am-5am with various puking and pooing daughters. All of them! DH left for work at 7.20 and I barely heard him. Luckily the earliest waker was the youngest at 8.20, so I got a bit of sleep. DD1 up at 9.00 and DD2 up at 10.30!!! Very tired, sickly girls. DD1 was sick again at 9.30, but nothing from either since and both on good form. DD3 pooing like a trooper, but seems to be ok now. Phew!

I am very excited about bedtime tonight...

What's news with you lot? Rubes, I love your pub meals. How very sensible.

Did everyone have a good weekend? I definitely did amped am feeling quite refreshed by it, despite the crap night last night!

JamInMyWellies Mon 18-Nov-13 14:27:17

Oh no Beans how rubbish. Do you want to do lunch next Tues instead?

We too did the pub lunch yesterday was fab.

beans37 Mon 18-Nov-13 16:06:54

Next Tuesday would be great if you're up to it?? X

Rubena Mon 18-Nov-13 18:03:25

Sorry about nighttime dd activity in bean household. Hope a long peaceful night ahead awaits.

Nice weekend. Barely cooked. A pub meal each day. Nice though as dh hasn't had full weekend off forever. I am not piss fit anymore. 1 glass of wine straight to head. Thought it must be coming down off hormones. Dh says more likely getting fitter - less tolerant. Pleased.

Reception reading workshop today. Mufti day tomorrow. Wow reception is busy.

Indith Mon 18-Nov-13 19:32:31

mmmm pub lunch.

Sorry about the vomit and poo beans. Hope better tonight.

ds2 who was doing so nicely on sleep is pooing constantly, had a sore red bum and isn't sleeping. Ho hum. guessing molars though no sign yet but poo and red arse are good indicators!

went to try to buy bras today and failed. current ones too big though. down side of night weaning grin

need a couple of hours in Newcastle to do bravissimo and a few other shops for more clothes. went to metro Centre, big shopping centre combined with retail Park place of doom on the way from uni today. Was hell then got caught in rush hour traffic. Not my idea of a nice place to shop. Some uni work to do. Need dh to get the baby to sleep so I can go down and work where it is warm.

Honsandrevels Mon 18-Nov-13 21:18:07

DD has a mufti day tomorrow too. I had a look it up, I've never heard of one. We just had non-uniform days when I was at school!

We got had a relaxed weekend making crafty stuff ready for Christmas. Gift tags and bookmarks. Then made mince pies and put them in the freezer.

Indith Bravissimo are quite good at fitting over the phone.

dd2 has a horrible cold so I'm off for an early night to get some sleep in before she ends up in our bed. She woke me up a hundred times last night with requests for tissues, hugs, drinks, blanky, more hugs.

Vagolajahooli Mon 18-Nov-13 22:29:50

We called them mufti days in Oz. Maybe it's like flat whites and teenagers lilting up at the ends of their sentences. We Australians are slowly taking over your language mwahahahaha. One Australian themed pub at a time.

Weekend was quiet here Beans ds2 was sick and after DH let him go outside in artic conditions to bounce on the trampoline he had a decent wheeze and evil cough on him. He also managed to double dose him on paracetamol. I had to babysit a friends kids and told DH to only give him neurofen or cough meds as I had given him a calpol dose earlier. I texted to see how ds2 was and he said fine I just gave him some calpol! Grrrr. I worked out how much he had compared with his weight and it was on the upper limit but not dangerous. But still, Crikey! So new rule only I give meds unless I've written down what they can have if I'm out.

Rubena Mon 18-Nov-13 23:00:58

Vag. Sounds exactly like dh. doesn't listen. Don't worry I spent 4 hours in a&e recently when we thought dd necked a bottle of 6+ Benedryl if u remember. She hadn't. The calculations if what she was able to manage upper limit were interesting.
So funny as I was about to write I never heard of mufti either hons! Must if been different your area vag. We called it free dress day. Didn't have a clue when I got emails here from school about it!

Rubena Mon 18-Nov-13 23:02:03

Yay to the flat white! brew

Indith Tue 19-Nov-13 14:41:58

What is it with men and medicines?

Every bloody time dh asks me and every bloody time I tell him to check the bottle. To always check the bottle. To never rely on memory as you might be wrong, they might change dosages, or you might have picked up the wrong bottle.

I bought some calpol 6+ when ds1 was old enough for it. I went out. Ds1 woke with growing pains. Dh picked up the 6+, knew it was 6+ but gave him 10ml which of course was the dose for the baby version.

I think mufti has been around the English language for a while, I remember coming across it as a child when reading "Back Home".

Nolda Tue 19-Nov-13 17:42:18

I think "mufti" is British army slang. We call it that but our school calls it Non-uniform day.

beans37 Tue 19-Nov-13 19:32:20

Mufti is definitely an English army thing. We call it non-uniform day as well. Girls much better this morning so been to school.

I'm starving now.

Have joined the summer ball committee here. Not sure why really. Sounds like it's going to be rather hard work. Oops. Never mind. I've also been invited on a girls' night out with the new lot on 7th December. Rather excited! We leave for London at 5.30pm. Good luck DH with all 3 girls! Mwahahahaha! Not back til 2am on a coach. DH has promised to do all night feeds with a bottle. Brilliant.

Is it that hard for husbands to read medicine bottles? Honestly. The only reason I know the dosage is because I've read the bottle!!

Vagolajahooli Tue 19-Nov-13 20:44:35

My life is complete I just made peanut butter. After making tomato sauce over the weekend I have now managed to make two of my kids favourite condiments!
However, having barked at them for the two hours before bedtime I think I may have ruined my awesome mumness.

Vagolajahooli Tue 19-Nov-13 20:51:14

Oh and DH gave the right dose (I have worked out their doses according to their weight not the direction on the bottle) but he gave it an hour and half after the dose I had given before I went out to babysit when I had told him to only give neurofen or cough med if needed.

beans37 Tue 19-Nov-13 20:56:48

I have a triple chin.

ShadyLadyT Tue 19-Nov-13 21:47:03

You do NOT, Beans grin

Sorry girls. Oh man, I am feeling like I will never, ever catch up! We are off to Fuerteventura on Sunday for a week and I have got a lot to get done before then. It was a heck of a business, telling them we are taking DD1 out of school. It basically seems to have been outlawed due to an edict from national govt. Anyway, we are running the 'school is not a legal requirement until the term after the child turns 5' argument.

DP had to do a lecture tonight but he told me he'd back for supper. I expected him 8ish, maybe before. No sign of him, no text either. I do find it a bit rude.

I have so much to read back on so I will crack on with that. We had DD1's birthday party on Saturday, just over a week early. I found it quite stressful to be honest, I know that sounds a bit churlish. It's the first one I have ever done.

DP has just phoned to say he is on his way back. Urrgh, I have the biggest spot ever on my right cheek. If anyone has any foolproof overnight tips to make it look more cosmetically acceptable, let me know. It is big, red and sore. DD2 kindly offered to get her crocodile puppet to "bite it off". She's a can-do sort of girl.

Right, will embark on my reading back.

beans37 Wed 20-Nov-13 11:35:46

Lady, I'm too late, but a dab of perfume or toothpaste works wonders on a zit over night x

Rubena Wed 20-Nov-13 11:47:40

Wow Lady, good for you. Our school would have a fit I'd be scared. Are you paying the fine or don't you have to until they are 5? Have a fabulous time! I heard the toothpaste on spot thing too but never tried it. There's a concealer that Ocado do which has spot stuff in it - I use it all the time.
House purchase hit a wall again. Urgh fed up. Might be time to admit defeat and rent for another 12 months [sigh]

RTjoke Wed 20-Nov-13 12:55:26

Oh no Rubes, what has happened now?

Have a fab holiday LadyT. I hope it is warm and sunny and that you and DP remember to conceive number three wink.

Three days 'till my mass christening of all three kids. I am a little worried that I have arranged nothing to make it special. Its a 20 minutes service in the chapel at work (with no music as an organist would have been £250 and we only have 30 guests so singing would have been weak). DD1 will read "All Things Bright and Beautiful" and my cousin will read a Kahil Gibran poem. Then we have a 2 hour tea and cakes in a slightly characterless room in work but I feel I should have thought how to make that special and I have not. DH might say a few words of thanks for that is all I can think of. Any ideas to make it more interesting?

RTjoke Wed 20-Nov-13 12:56:42

Oh and toothpaste on spots does help. As does neat tea tree oil. I have had a HUGE spot on my chin for a week. It is gross. I think it might be a sign that my periods will soon return.

Vagolajahooli Wed 20-Nov-13 13:19:20

RT I've only been to one christening, for my godchild. After it was just tea & cakes at godchilds parents house and it was actually quite lovely. I don't think there were any speeches just a nice chance for friends and family to chat. Was quite a happy occasion.

Rubes I don't know how you put up with the stress, you must have some super charged vino.

Lady if it is not compulsory until 5 there is nothing they can do. I remember at DS1's UK school taking them out was severely frowned upon but all they could do was frown about it until 5.

Ooh gotta go will catch up more later.

JamInMyWellies Wed 20-Nov-13 13:43:37

They are properly militant about taking children out of school now. Its ridiculous. I heard of one woman with 2 children was fined per child per parent per day!!

Have a super time though Lady. grin

RT I have only ever been to 1 christening. It was at a chapel at Westminster maybe the same place you are using. Afterwards it was buffet in a private room at a pub. All very casual. Nothing to fancy.

Rubes really still problems what a cock. Hope it all gets resolved in to a nice cosy perm home for you all.

I am so so over being upduffed. Knackered, peeing myself, piles are horrendous, braxton hicks that last for forever. Just need to get our weekend away out of the way and then he can come. Slightly regretting booking to go away when so preg. Especially when DH is even noticing how much the bump has dropped. Should have had a spa wkend and taken the boys to my SIL.

DeidreBarlow Wed 20-Nov-13 15:44:47

Rubes sorry about the house move. It's been one thing after another hang it?

Jam I hated being pg. you have my every sympathy

Arti. Both my DCs christening were very informal affairs. I think what you have planned sounds lovely.

Had parents eve for DS on Monday. I went in feeling like I was going to be sick (had convinced myself teacher was saving all bad news for me, like nursery all over). She had nothing but good things to say. Yes he still loses his rag from time to time but she said it wasn't often. I love his teacher! grin

Lady have a lovely holiday.

Nolda Wed 20-Nov-13 19:44:17

Oh no, Rubes! What's up with the house? Is it definitely off?

Deids, super news re DS. So glad to hear he is doing well at school. Just goes to show how badly pre-school handled things.

JamInMyWellies Wed 20-Nov-13 20:16:55

Deids I am delighted to hear that your DS is doing brilliantly at school. Just goes to show what numptys the nursery were.

Vagolajahooli Wed 20-Nov-13 21:24:22

Yay finally someone is seeing the real deidsboy, dumb stupid nursery nobs. Hard enough as it is being a working mum and they decided to make it more super stressful for you.

I feel bad DS1 had his parent teacher meeting last Monday and I forgot to mention it. There isn't much to say academically at this stage as they don't do formal teaching here until they are older its all just structured educational play and socialisation at the mo. But she is happy with him and seems to quite like him. She was AKs teacher and got on well with him too. She said he is very enthusiastic then started to laugh. She said sometimes she needs to ask him to be a little quieter with his enthusiasm as he can be very load. But she said he is super confident and very observant and is great at talking and explaining things in Dutch. She said at a recent museum visit he actually took over from the tour guide for a couple of the exhibits!

Jam poor you, I hate that feeling. Can you cancel the trip or is it locked in?

We are off to Berlin Friday and I'm still nervous about being so far from the boys. They will spend most of the time with friends but will come home at 10 on Sunday morning and our babysitter will look after them until we get home in the evening. I'm going to make them a bunch of pizzas and leave them in the freezer. Plus loads of bread rolls and peanut butter plus snacks to eat during the day. I'm sure they'll have a ball actually.

Mckayz Thu 21-Nov-13 09:38:43

Deids, great news about DS.

RT, after my DCs christenings we just hired a room and did a little buffet.

We all have colds again. I've been giving the kids vitamins in the hope that this winter we wouldn't be so ill. Doesn't look like it's worked.

Rubena Thu 21-Nov-13 10:55:40

Well done deidsboy'sschool, I knew it was the dumb arsed nursery and not poor deidsboy. Great news.

Urgh we keep coming into problems trying to arrange the mortgage and onto 3rd lender now, however the only one decent now, wants more deposit and it's just not possible. DH always has the "no worries it'll be fine / totally doable" attitude, then when we run into issues / questions, no-one can get hold of him, and he plays the "I have no time / I'm so busy" card, which I know is true, and is the very reason I think more sensibly about these things and suggested we bow out awhile ago. He is constantly knackered and cannot rely on working even more to make it all go ahead. It's actually not possible! He's finally thought more about it as well that it may be better to rent for another 12 months then we will buy something we really want, where we know for certain is where we need to be for his work which will be about the right timing for that. It just means we will have to move again twice in the next couple / few years!
I'd be a lot more stressed if I was still taking that pill I can assure you. Feel strangely calm as it'll be a weight off with all the pressure of the house. We are just going to tell the vendor how it is and see what he say. I'm pretty sure I know the answer though!

Sorry about the sickies Kayz.

Rubena Thu 21-Nov-13 10:56:41

RT I haven't a clue about Christenings - but it sounds fine?

Rubena Thu 21-Nov-13 10:59:12

Oh and Vag I think I know what you mean as I hate being far away even when DH is home!! I might take dh on my next trip, but it's only 3 nights away and I'm a little concerned about that! I guess you are talking about non-family looking after them? I'm sure they'll be just fine, but it's always harder for us mums.

Mckayz Thu 21-Nov-13 14:28:49

Does anyone want a 17 month old walking whirlwind. I'll have her back in a fortnight when her dad should be home!

Vagolajahooli Thu 21-Nov-13 14:57:54

Oh dear Kayz. Rampaging is she? Fingers crossed it is only two more weeks until he is home. He'll be home then until after Christmas won't he?

Rubes that's all a bit of a poo. I fear now we will have trouble re-mortgaging if you are having trouble getting loan. Can he get any help through the NHS? I know he probably wouldn't qualify for the key worker loan thing, but I seem to remember NHS employees could get deals through some banks as part of the governments thingy to keep NHS health staff close to where they work.

I am shattered. Have been making pizzas to freeze for the babysitter to pop in the freezer for their tea on Sunday and also a huge spag bol for their dinner tomorrow night. Thought I'd cook it up and take it to my friends where they will be staying until Sunday morning, then she doesn't have to cook anything tomorrow. Yeah, Rubes, that's the drawback of no family close by, we have some lovely friends looking after them but on Sunday we will have to pay about €100 to have them looked after for the day, and I feel a little nervous that if something happens we can't jump on the next train home.

Mckayz Thu 21-Nov-13 16:19:55

I'm sure it's like living with Godzilla. DH should be home until the middle of Jan then he's off to Singapore for a course.

beans37 Thu 21-Nov-13 17:13:42

Feeding the girls oxtail stew made by my Mum. Have told them it's lamb and they're eating it. Mwahahahahahaha! It actually smells like dog food. We're having it for our supper later too. Hmmm.

Rubena Thu 21-Nov-13 18:09:03

Beans that's evil! I love lamb but not oxtail stew. Big difference! But hey, if they're eating it, win win.
Nah Vag, the latest lender is actually a specialist for professionals loan. DH not home tonight, so not even sure what we are doing but from last nights chat I think we are both on same page now to just present the situation to the owner and be prepared t move. The stupid part about it is we will probably have to pay more in rent than our mortgage would've been. Don't think we are ready to sell our flat yet either. I think it's more sensible to rent again until dh has his permanent job. I can still have the kids at the same school, even if it's moving further afield, as dd should be in on sibling status first before distance from school right?

kids are knackered. dh on call so I've done dinner, bath and milk and they think it's 7pm bedtime in about 10 mins! Mwahahahahahaha! grin Bit evil here too, but they need some extra sleep!

Rubena Thu 21-Nov-13 18:14:58

Oh and Summer (if you are lurking!) we ordered ds's bike for his birthday and went with the Isla bike - they said a week and it arrived in 24 hours! He sort of knows he's getting it but is still going to be pumped. I've got 12 already confirmed for his party and 6 yet to respond - only 2 no's so far. Crikey, could be a soft play party for 20. Fortunately it's attached to a golf club so I may have to nip in for a quick vino beforehand to cope grin

Indith Thu 21-Nov-13 18:17:18

vag you are so organised!

rt christenings sounds fine to me, low key, nearest and dearest for a nice chat and food.

db your boy always sounds so lovely. glad he is doing well at school.

kayz I'd forgotten how manic toddlers can be! trail of destruction wherever they go.

rubes the house stuff sounds like a right faff on. Hope it resolves.


ds2 is getting well into the tantrum phase. screaming fits about anything and everything. Have just managed to pull him out of one by pointing out that ds1 was doing apoo and did he wasn't too go see it and say bye bye poo? grin crazy boy.

He had the runs yesterday so I spent all afternoon and all day today with him. cm will have him back tomorrow thank goodness, I'm so behind on work now!

dd is so tired. She feel asleep after school today, can't have been later than 4.30. At dinner time I went to check on her, decide to stick a pull up on her as she is flat out and just leave her til morning. She woke up while I was sorting her and decided she wanted dinner. id taken her pants off by then, anyway she was dancing from one leg to the other and in pain so we ran down 2 flights of stairs and through the house to the loo. Just in front on the loo the niagra falls flowed or of dd and cascaded onto the floor. I have never seem a bigger we in my life, nor afaster flowing one. It was incredible. bathroom was flooded.

poor dd.

She is rather more awake now sheet dinner, hope I manage to get her to bed at a reasonable hour! They are all watching tv. dd was hosed down after her wee. Can I be arsed to bathe the boys?

jammy one how are you holding up?

Indith Thu 21-Nov-13 18:21:43

Oh and ds had said he doesn't believe in father Christmas or magic! says he thinks stockings come from the shops but doesn't know how they get here or where the mince pies go that we leave out.

Argh! This is brand new today so I guess there is some gobby little rat bag at school destroying the innocence of my child grin . But sad . Need to do some magic rekindling. pnp messages coming up!

Rubena Thu 21-Nov-13 18:45:13

Indith, I was actually thinking about that today, and what if one of the bigger kids in the playground tells ds all that stuff. I'd be horrified. The other day I actually caught myself discussing stockings in front of ds and suddenly realized and quickly swung the conversation round as though it was to do with my tights for work hmm I'd be horrified as I get so much enjoyment out of the kids believing in Santa. We leave wine and beer out for him (no idea where that goes) Carrots for the reindeers the dog eats!
Kids asleep - well needed.

Rubena Thu 21-Nov-13 18:51:09

Oh and I LOVE those pnp messages from Santa!! Kids freak out.

ZuleikaJambiere Thu 21-Nov-13 21:30:26

Hello ladies, how are you? This makes me the crappest poster ever, as I haven't checked in for ages and here I am to ask for advice. But if I offer wine and brew and thanks and biscuit, will you forgive me? I hope everyone is well and all the children are excited about their birthdays - Deids boy and Shady girl very imminent, happy birthday to both of them.
So my question is about treasure boxes - my lovely new niece is very lovely, but my sister has said no Xmas pressies as she's inundated with new baby gifts and hand-me-downs. So I thought I'd assemble a treasure box, as DN will be 2 months by Christmas so good timing for her. But as I'm as crap a Mum as I am a poster, I didn't do them for my own girls. So what goes in one? What do little snuggly babies like?

Thanks you ladies, love to you all x

ShadyLadyT Thu 21-Nov-13 22:55:57

Hola ladies. Started trying to do my epic catch up on my ancient iMac and it won't post. I haven't lost it but I do have to retype it. Let's see how far I get as it's quite late now...

Lovely to see you ZJ. Sadly, I haven't got a farkin' clue what goes in a treasure box. A newspaper, a fashion mag, Private Eye? That would be fascinating to read many moons hence.

It's DP's birthday today and MIL and her DH are here again. They were only here last week. Admittedly they are coming to do us a favour and I should be more gracious - we are going into London for the day on Sat, for a posh lunch, a film and then a concert which is part of London Jazz Week that DP asked to go to - and MIL is babysitting. But I have such a lot ot do tomorrow, and they make me feel so grumpy. And I am not usually like that. Worse, earlier today MIL walked DD2 over the busy A road by our house looking in completely the wrong direction (I was on the other side of the road). Cars were speeding towards them. She often takes the girls to the park when I am no there, but now I will never rest thinking about her crossing the road with them.

I have to pack tomorrow because of being in London all day Sat. We get back late on Saturday night then have to leave for the airport at 3am. I am worried about coming back to chaos in the house late on Sat night (which is usually the case when MIL has been looking after them). Ho hum! It was 24c in Fuerteventura yesterday so the weather should be quite pleasant.

Yes, Rubes, the fine brought in by the govt is £60 per parent per day and local councils are already enforcing it. However, having taken legal advice (of course) - until the term after which DD turns 5, they can't pursue us. So we're good for now. But I deplore the entire policy. However, will probably be keeping in line from here on in.

Rubes - am very sorry to hear that the house purchase is hitting a sticky patch. But I have great faith in these professional mortgages so it might be third time lucky. I have alwasy found smears painful and uncomfortable - really uncomfortable so I don't think I could cope with a coil fitting. Maybe I am a massive wuss!

Right, so much more to say but will post this in case it vanishes.

ShadyLadyT Thu 21-Nov-13 23:16:27

Arti, did you do your parenting course? Not that I think for a second you need it, just curious what they taught you because DD1 has been a bit of an evilton since starting school. Rudeness, angry with me a lot...It's very wearing.

As to No 3...it's the wrong time of the month for a holiday baby grin It seems like a nice idea in the daytime. If ever I am awake in the middle of the night though it seems like the most stoopid idea every (for us). oh, and Arti - I think your christening sounds extremely nice. What more do you need?

Vag - you and Rubes talking about eggs and chicken's bums and poo on them (all the eggs we get from the farm are COVERED in poo) - makes me think of ZJ once trumping that by saying she'd once seen massive eggs with blood on the them because they hurt the chicken to lay <swoons>

Vag - how amazing that your DD2 can chatter in Dutch. What do the boys feel about knowing they will be going back to Oz one day?

Hons, I love your method re: Christmas deccies with 1st for lights and other bits. DP is not getting his way re: late getting of the tree this year.

Kayz - oh my - did you say your DD is 17 months? Really? Where did THAT go? How long have you got DH for?

Beans - spot is still awful. But a lot better than the other night. I think it might start looking more passable from tomorrow, certainly from Sat. Re: the programme The Escape Artist, DP actually bought new window locks as a result of that, which doesn't inspire confidence. He represented a murderer the other week. I am so sorry DD1 doesn't remember your Dad. DD1 claims to remember mine but I wonder whether she does, really. The girls quite often say they are sad, out of the blue, and say it's because he is dead but they say it in a very comical way. In fact, I am certain DD2 just copies DD1. Anyway...love to you.

DB - I am so glad your DS got the thumbs up at parents' night! Just what we all expected! Good lad.

On a similar topic - another cheer for your DS1, Jam, doing so well at school. I think you are coping with the last horrid bit of pregnancy very bravely. You are moaning a lot less than I would be, that's for sure. When is your special weekend?

Indith - you mentioned someone pushing you too far on your course. That sounds unpleasant. Has the situation resolved at all?

Will post this and then do more.

ShadyLadyT Thu 21-Nov-13 23:24:15

Chickens' eggs. Not chicken's! Am typing too fast.

Nolda - how are you settling into the new crib? And being a worker? I think I would like it, I must say.

I am interviewing people tomorrow because we need a new member of staff at the preschool. I've interviewed people before in my life, but not for anything like this.

I had a massage today - which was actually a full body massage I was bought for my birthday in APRIL. I seriously need to do less stuff.

We have a massive parking dispute looming in the village. It's creating a lot of bad feeling. if the new proposals get through we will have nowhere to park our car nearby so I have spent the last 3 weeks writing all sort of letters and wasting no end of time on it. It is quite a bummer.

There's a spot of cheerfulness left, I think I'd better have it. DP has lost 2 stone. He is putting me to shame.

ShadyLadyT Fri 22-Nov-13 00:22:39

I am in bed but still awake and grumping about MIL. She brings out the worst in me, the absolute worst. Mind you, I can't complain. Some people have that relationship with their actual mothers.

DD1 is an angel in the Christmas play. She's asked for a silk dress (I've got to make it). Here's me thinking of customising a pillowcase.

A special wave to anyone reading this on a nightfeed smile

Is it just me and Sybs for SecreT Santa? Might not be that secret in that case Sybs grin

Right, best try to sleep.

beans37 Fri 22-Nov-13 08:17:50

I'm on for secret Santa...

Aargh, DD3 hasn't stopped pooing since Sunday. A clean nappy every hour or 2. It's going to bankrupt us! Oh and was just bfing and she puked onto my nipple. Nice.

Lady, lovely to hear from you. Will post more once nappy changed, big girls' hair done and school run done!

beans37 Fri 22-Nov-13 13:07:47

Lady, how are you coping with MIL today?

God, I'm struggling today. Friday is my worst day as DD2 has no childcare and is very demanding on my attention. Have snuck off to post this. DD3 is hardly sleeping in the day and has gone back to being up twice a night, so my smugness is biting me on the arse! That'll teach me! So I'm knackered and grumpy and if I dare to try to be on the phone or something, DD2 comes chasing after me to demand things. She is now goggling happily, while DD3 kicks about on her gym. But I've got moments before she notices I've gone and she'll be on me like a shot!

DH also bugging me. We're meant to be starting some building works next week, which is a loft extension above the kitchen. Not a massive job, but still a lot of money and the total will be about £15k, which is enough to make me gulp. However, DH has now decided to quiz the builder about every aspect, despite instructing him to do the work a couple of months ago as he was far and away the cheapest. This guy is very nice and has done work for a few of my friends, so I'm keen to go with him. But DH now kicking his heels and also expecting me to be the one to deal with the builder, despite him being the one with all the questions, so I'm stuck in the middle trying to relay messages and inevitably getting various bits wrong. It's like chinese whispers, only more important! Plus I'm trying to look after 3 kids and would like to just crack on as it means we don't have to then use DD3's bedroom as a dressing room. We currently don't have any cupboard space in our bedroom and a lot of my wardrobe is in a drawer under the bed. Yawn yawn, but I wish DH would just take on the responsibility of talking to the builder, especially as he keeps telling me how he has nothing on at work. Clearly I'm not busy enough! Hmmm. DH says things like "Surely you must have more to say than just yes" as if I'm some kind of idiot who is just going along with it. But actually, I don't have any other questions!!! The guy has been pretty upfront about it all along. Ho hum.

Right, whinge over. Off to 20 year school reunion tomorrow. Taking DD3 with me as need to feed her.

Should be lovely.

Sorry to complain!


Rubena Fri 22-Nov-13 13:48:37

Decent catch-up Lady - noice. Happy belated to dp - well done on the 2 stone - wow. dh lost a stone himself in just 1 month cycling. He's still on the beers, though not as much. Can empathise over mil anxiety. I completely understand the road crossing thing too. I know the road you mean - I'd be a wreck. I've watched mil leave hot tea right in front of dd and pot handles etc, but I just tell her off and she hasn't done it since - she's so forgetful but it worries me - I hope you said something to your mil when you saw it?

When it rains it pours here, I've had letting agent calling, sales agent calling, landlord calling, financial advisor wanting instruction, and dh having me sort out a plumbing issue in the flat with half the info of what the tenant said, and questions from the plumber I can't answer - seriously I'm so fed up of this "I've got no time" standard reply. Well for farks sake, don't take on doing the entire plumbing yourself if you can't have time to answer questions about it when things go wrong. I don't know what kind of farking waterproof membrane was effing put down, or how accessible the pipes are!!
Anywho... in answer to what you said lady - I know they tend to be good mortgages, but it's just the extra cash that we are expected to find. Sounds like dh somehow (but has no time) spoke to the landlord today and still wanting to work something out.

I'm bloody freezing. Heating on constant and I'm still freezing.

beans37 Fri 22-Nov-13 13:56:04

Rubes, I feel your pain x

beans37 Fri 22-Nov-13 13:57:22

PS DH was the one who picked this builder's quote, so I'm struggling to see why he's questioning so much.

Rubena Fri 22-Nov-13 14:04:38

Beans! Cross posted! I fee your pain. I guess at least my dh has MAJOR workload and I have relatively none grin however, he half likes to control it all and then when it all gets too busy for him he hands over to me and I have to ask him half the stuff anyway. Pointless. He has just spoken to the tenant, and I've spoken to the plumber again so hopefully they are sorting it for him Tues - more money when we are already scraping the barrel for this house!
How exciting getting a loft conversion done though Beans.

Rubena Fri 22-Nov-13 14:09:03

meant to say hi ZJ! No idea about glory boxes either, but nice idea x

beans37 Fri 22-Nov-13 18:28:54

glory boxes... never heard of them, but they sound dirrrrty!!!

Nolda Fri 22-Nov-13 20:11:31

Hi ZJ! Do you mean a keepsake box or something full of things little ones will find exciting: different textures, sounds, colours etc?

Sorry about the poo, Beans and the vom!

Rubes, my DH often moans that I should organise this or that but boy is he fussy so wouldn't be worth it.

Pizza and then bed. So tired! Up early to take DD to twirling comp tomorrow.

Mckayz Fri 22-Nov-13 21:24:38

A quick BF question. I've decided to stop feeding DD now. Bit sad about it but it feels the right time for us. It's been about 36 hours since the last feed. Am I likely to get engorged or risk mastitis by just stopping?

beans37 Fri 22-Nov-13 21:38:22

How many feeds a day were you doing, Kayz? How do your boobs feel now, after 36 hours?

beans37 Fri 22-Nov-13 21:38:42

Am off to sleep now. Night all x

Mckayz Fri 22-Nov-13 21:51:22

I was just feeding during the night Beans, so maybe 3-4 feeds. Feeling fairly normal at the minute.

DeidreBarlow Sat 23-Nov-13 08:11:28

Kayz I was feeding DS 2 or 3 times a night when I stopped. Then he'd miss the odd night. I just stopped no engorgement. Although I'm not sure that's right but if your boobs feel ok you should be fine.

DS has a party every weekend for the next 4 weeks! He has a better social life than me! His own is tomorrow, 20 kids in a soft play hell. Joy. I cannot believe he is 5!! He is rather excited. It's his first 'real' party. All others have been a mix of cousins & DD's pals.

Indith Sat 23-Nov-13 08:20:45

You should be fine kayz, especially if you are at 36 hours since a feed with no problems.

beans hope the poo had calmed! Also hope the building work goes ok. Will be worth it and worth getting right.

Hello ladyt!

so tired dh was out worth rugby dads last night. I had friends round. trouble is I still can't get ds2 down, only dh can. got him to sleep, tried, he screamed. Then friends arrived so there was no chance. He was fine, chilled and didn't get in the way but didn't get him to sleep again until after they leftso that was 1130 or so. dh cane home at since point and managed to transfer him to his bed at 1am. He woke up several million times at night, I've fed him loads as of course dh not in a great state. and he woke early. of course. so have had sod all sleep! dh still in bed. dd still in bed. ds1 on beaver sleepover so at least don't have him bounding around. ds2 and me eating crumpets and watching beebies.

village Christmas fayre this afternoon. It kept getting cancelled due to deep snow so they have started doing it really early grin .

RTjoke Sat 23-Nov-13 09:46:08

LadyT I do love your catch-ups. How on earth do you rememberso much of what has been said? Sorry to hear about your parking battles and your spot but on the bright side it is great that your DH has lost such a lot of weight, I know you have always wished he would take better care of himself. I have started the parenting course, so far it's all stuff I know but it is useful to have two hours a week to really reflect on how I parent. Sadly they have yet to teach the easy, kind yet 100% foolproof way of dealing with highly sensitive and rather difficult Reception starters!

Kayz, I got mastitis both times when I stopped feeding the DDs and they were both down to only one feed in 24 hours when I stopped. I'm very prone to it though. Just keep a close eye out for symptoms if flu.

ZJ do you mean a box of interesting things for a baby? If so I've seen some great ideas on MN threads, maybe try a search (my memory is shot so I cannot think of any specifics right now).

DS slept 6.45pm-6.15am without a peep! His best night ever! I'm so happy.

It's all three kids christening today. I really hope they behave. DD2 is running round shouting "I cannot wait to be a Christian"! She also asked if Jesus could come to the service. DD1 announced at breakfast that she doesn't believe in Jesus because nobody can walk on water. The pre-meeting with the vicar should be fun.

RTjoke Sat 23-Nov-13 10:55:35

Fricking heck, DD2 has a fever of 38.9. Can't cancel the christening as family travelled from the US. Bugger, bugger, bugger.

Indith Sat 23-Nov-13 11:14:47

Drug her and hope for the best?

How is she in herself?

Hope it goes ok!

Sure family will understand though if you cancel, not a whole lot you can do!

Rubena Sat 23-Nov-13 11:21:48

Oh no Arti hope she comes good drugged.
Priceless that dd convo. I'm with dd1!
Went to watch dds ballet / performing arts she's starting in Jan. So cute. Now at ds swimming. On it goes. Bike riding this arvy.
Owner still keen for us to buy. Says we can work something out hmm maybe he's going to give it to us grin

DeidreBarlow Sat 23-Nov-13 11:36:10

Agreed, give her some Calpol & fluids and hope for the best? How is she in herself (other than being overly optimistic that Jesus is coming!!)?

I'm always amazed how quickly mine respond to Calpol its a wonder drug!

Rubena Sat 23-Nov-13 12:03:11

Calpol with ibuprofen Arti. Hope she's ok

Rubena Sat 23-Nov-13 12:03:51

Deids good luck with the party. Stuff drink before and after. I have the same next month. Eek!

Rubena Sat 23-Nov-13 12:04:20

StIFF drink! Don't stuff the drink grin

Nolda Sat 23-Nov-13 12:49:51

Arti, hope you have managed to drug DD2 sufficiently and are now enjoying the christening. My younger sister was always ill at weddings and christenings. My other sister and I used to tease her terribly with references to the Omen etc

Indith Sat 23-Nov-13 16:07:41

I'm sad. Got very excited when bras arrived in post today (fab service Bravissimo!) but they don't fit sad.

I will send them back, have reserved my exchanges by phone. Hope new ones fit. But have to wait for mine to get back to them and be processed and then for new ones to arrive. sad

Current ones are too big in back and cup and underwire comes up too high in the middle and is making me very sore.

Mckayz Sat 23-Nov-13 19:46:05

I really need some new bras. Some that aren't feeding ones will be nice!

Indith Sat 23-Nov-13 20:16:26

I've been out of feeding ones since I stated at uni and didn't feed so much in the day. The cleo juna is nice and easy to hoik boobs out of If needed. Not that you will need that kayz grin . Give your boobs a bit to get back to normal and treat yourself to a decent fitting somewhere good. I think there is a really good independent in York.

Mckayz Sat 23-Nov-13 21:38:34

I might ask DH to get me some nice pjs. I've been living in button front feeding nighties for 17 months!

Can't believe I fed her this long after the disaster with ds2 and how hard it was to get started.

Indith Sat 23-Nov-13 21:52:47

well done you.

Mckayz Sun 24-Nov-13 13:34:07

DH has asked me if I plan to go back to work. He's not fussed just wondering.

The only job I've ever wanted to do is be a flight attendant but XH persuaded me not to do it as he'd never see me. sad

I need some inspiration.

Indith Sun 24-Nov-13 13:56:33

What makes you tick? When was the last time you did something that left you feeling fulfilled? find those feelings and go from there.

Mckayz Sun 24-Nov-13 13:58:13

I have no idea.

Mckayz Sun 24-Nov-13 14:00:31

I think I'm struggling as I find it all pointless because DH works away I can only work between 9-3 or give all my wages to childcare like I did before.

Indith Sun 24-Nov-13 14:16:53

most of us have to pay childcare. That's why you need something you really want to do! Or you remind yourself that the childcare is short term. You get promotions so more money to take home, children grow and need less childcare.

But that's all a moot point really of you don't have something you want to do.

Do you like being at home with the children? As you say you don't have to go back to work. It is ok to just want to be a sahm.

Mckayz Sun 24-Nov-13 14:40:08

Yeah I love it.

When I worked before childcare cost £250 more than I got paid. I just don't see the point really if I have nothing to show for it.

Indith Sun 24-Nov-13 14:46:26

Yeah that really isn't worth it!

If you love staying home and can continue to do it then go for it. Your dh just wants you to know you have choices I guess smile . As dd gets older and starts nursery etc then you will have more chances to pick up volunteer work or do a college course with a view to working if that's what you want to do. Enjoy your baby while she is small smile .

beans37 Sun 24-Nov-13 17:18:15

Would you want to be a childminder? That way you can look after your own and also take on other children, so no childcare costs involved...

DeidreBarlow Sun 24-Nov-13 17:28:29

Kayz hope you think of something you want to do...do you actually want to go back to work?

Blimey today had been a whirlwind! Can't quite believe DS is 5!shock He's had a super day, fab party (even if it was in a soft play hell) and totally spoilt rotten. As it should be. He's never had a big party so 20 if his little friends had left him exhausted and me in need of a large wine.

Lady happy birthday to O for tomorrow too...who's after that?

Mckayz Sun 24-Nov-13 18:15:09

Beans, no way! I wouldn't have the patience.

Deids, happy birthday to DS!!! I think I'd like to do something when they're older. Got ages to think of something.

Indith Sun 24-Nov-13 18:27:25

I'm in denial. none of them is actually allowed to be 5 until December.

Happy birthday small db and missT.

beans37 Sun 24-Nov-13 18:46:35

DD1 is on 6th December... She keeps asking how long she's got!

Vagolajahooli Mon 25-Nov-13 08:36:26

Happy birthday for yesterday DBboy and happy birthday for today missLady. Can't believe they are all turning 5!

Arti how was the christening? Loads of drugs would have done the trick long enough to dab the water and smile for the relies. Has been nice seeing your extended family.

Kayz, I don't think you need to change what you are doing. I think DH just wanted to let you know you have the option. He possibly feels that due to his job you have less options, but he might not realise you are happy with your current job. You did mention you were interested in history. Maybe in the future you could think about looking at courses, but DD is still only little so just enjoy being her mum at home. Don't feel because he mentioned it that you should be aspiring to something. Your happy so it's all good.

Back from Berlin and had a great weekend. The gig waa brilliant and DH and I got hilariously drunk on Saturday night. Found this bar that had a secret cocktail bar upstairs and it was brilliant. Though we got chased out because DH tried to steal their cocktail menu. The boys had a great time back here, though DS2 was a bit teary over simple things this morning so I think he did miss us a bit.

Nolda how is the new house?

Indith sorry about the bras that is sad. But the new ones will come soon.

Rubena Mon 25-Nov-13 09:48:06

Sorry bout the bra's Indith - that kind of thing very annoying - and yes a tad sad grin
Vag, so glad you had a nice time, and all is well with the boys. I should stop worrying if dh comes to work with me right?
Kayz hope you figure something out. I'm still on the fence about work. I loved it before kids, but I was also living on the other side of the world and going away was fun as I lived foot loose and fancy free. It's sort of changed after kids. But then again so have the terms, and I can somehow average 6 days a month. I still get anxious about going, but do also enjoy a little shopping or R&R trip now and then. I think it's case by case, and I'm still not sure how long I'll stay at it I'm really there for perks as the money is quite frankly laughable. Being dh's secretary will no doubt bore me to tears, but I'll perk up if it's saving us cashola and I get to do invoices grin Overall, do what makes you happy and works for your family now. It really is case by case smile
Lovely weekend of cycling down an old railway line which is now a bike path. Dog got so hot she jumped in the canal and dh had to fish her out shock scared the life out of me! DS managed 4.5 miles at a steady pace and said he "wished he had gears" (2 weeks ds, 2 weeks! grin) DD whinged most of the way and said she wanted to go to the pub after 5 mins hmm Fortunately went back to an old favourite and we thawed out by the fire - lovely.
Happy birthday O - is it today? And happy belated to PD!

Rubena Mon 25-Nov-13 09:49:15

Oh and deids glad ds had a nice day - hope you had a nice wine to recover! Right, must wrap more pressies grin

Mckayz Mon 25-Nov-13 09:59:44

Vag, we were chatting about what we think the DC will be when they grow up.

Happy birthday to O!!

sybilfaulty Mon 25-Nov-13 13:20:10

I can't believe that they are all growing up - this time 5 years ago we were all fit to burst. I had just started ML and was knackered. I am still knackered even though they are at school!

M is 5 on Sunday (along with JJ's S). We are having 4 friends over on Saturday for a party / playdate. Don't feel the energy for a full on shindig.

So just the 3 of us for SS then?

sybilfaulty Mon 25-Nov-13 13:21:24

Deids, as I recall your waters did burst when you were online. Wow! Glad DS had a good birthday. Bet you needed the wine afterwards though.

Lady is away in sunny climes I think? I am not at all jealous.

Right, must do some work. Back later.

beans37 Mon 25-Nov-13 13:41:59

and here we are awaiting the arrival of another baby! come on, Babyjam! wahoo!

We're doing the whole class to softplay, but sharing with 2 other children which helps with cost.

desperately trying to get DD3 to sleep. man, she's a fighter!! taken her out of her moses basket. so weird. the end of an era as it has done all of DH's kids and nieces and nephews. weep. DH mentioned we should have one more to keep DD3 company. ahem. NO.

JamInMyWellies Mon 25-Nov-13 15:00:33

Started writing a post and the bloody laptop froze. Will be back later for proper catch up. Off to do school run, double karate and quick trip to tescos and the dry cleaners. I love after school.

Rubena Mon 25-Nov-13 17:37:25

Mil has been eerily quiet. She's either busy, or worked out we needed family time minus an outlaw.
Dh late tonight, but working on his own time so not so bad. Dd and I having pate. She asked for it on Melba toast hmm not gonna be high maintenance at all grin she has good taste.
We've got about half from ds class coming plus dd and 3 outsiders.

Fabulous eBay weekend. £500 worth of bike related things sold! Pleased.

Rubena Mon 25-Nov-13 17:38:18

To ds's party that is.... In soft play hell.

Nolda Mon 25-Nov-13 18:41:53

Happy birthday to the early birthday Dec08 DCs.

Vag, glad you had a good time in Berlin.

Rubes, cycling outing sounds fun (minus the soggy hound). I hope your MIL hasn't gone quiet because she's planning to stay with you for the Xmas holidays.

Kayz, if you're happy at home don't change! I was definitely ready to go back to work but my youngest is almost 5. It is tough but the money is good as I'm only working last six months of tax year so looks good in the pay packet. Won't look the same if I'm kept on full time!

I'm loving the new house but there are still a lot of boxes. I haven't organised a party for DS. Seems v expensive to do the soft play thing but don't want to have it at home because of the state of the place. Argh!

In other news, DS was dry overnight and no pull-ups on. Might be a one-off but fingers crossed we're on the right track.

I'm expecting the Ocado man tonight with my annual delivery of swedish goodies. Can't wait.

Indith Mon 25-Nov-13 19:50:04

We did soft play for dd last year as we won the package in a raffle. Great as no work involved, just let them run riot then eat food. party bags and everything done for you. I enjoyed that! I could never justify the expense though, not at this time of year and then ds1 would expect the same.

There is a hall near us that is cheap so we have that booked for dd and then again in Jan for ds1. Shall have to dig deep, find some enthusiasm and play party games with the million children dd had invited. honestly, the girl has invited 27 children. I couldn't be bothered trying to sort out class politics and just let her invite the whole lot of them in the hopes a few will turn the invite down with it being so close to Christmas!

Honsandrevels Mon 25-Nov-13 19:51:10

I said yes to secret Santa, that makes 4!

Happy birthday to all the ones with birthdays so far. Blimey, five is so old.

LadyT dd1 has been the same since the starting school. I somehow thought that once you'd laid the foundations of manners etc, then they'd just carry along the same trajectory. How wrong I was! Answering back, going into a huff when she doesn't get her own way. Hope you have a lovely hol!

Arti Hope the christening went well.

Nolda We're not having a party because we didn't want a massive class party or upset anyone. It all seems a bit political in reception. So your ds isn't the only one without a party! Enjoy your goodies. Do you pack them away for the big day or have a quick sample early?

Indith Very disappointing on the bras. They usually exchange them pretty quick.

McKayz I think if I had to retrain I'd try and get onto an nhs funded course. Maybe physio or occupational therapy. Teaching assistants have very child friendly hours. You shouldn't feel you have to go back to work if you'd rather be a sahm though.

Dd1 has started talking about her list for Father Christmas which features several things I've not bought her. I'm a little concerned about how I'm going to sort that out without buying more stuff.

This is awful. I'm away for a work conference in a couple of weeks for two nights and of course dd1's school play performance is one of those nights. I'm gutted. Do most schools ban filming? I'm hoping dh can film dd's but for me. Every time dd mentions it or practises her song I feel bad.

Rubena Mon 25-Nov-13 20:05:31

Urgh, I know what you mean... I've had initial invites out early based on who ds wanted out of 15, then inched them up a bit as we are having 20. Only 2 have said no shock was thinking there'd be more. The only one's not invited are several girls who I hardly know, and a couple of boys who ds says are mean. I don't know. it's the first one (and probably last) I've done, so felt I could justify it that way. Doing my own Asda / Sainsbo's inspired party bags too.

Rubena Mon 25-Nov-13 20:06:58

Hons I think filming is fine. I filmed ds's entire performance at Harvest Festival, and no doubt will film his Nativity play. I've heard he's the King, but isn't giving up much grin

Rubena Mon 25-Nov-13 20:10:34

Nolda, you may well be accurate about mil! I casually mentioned (evil me) that we had thought about going to California for Christmas (her brother's house) cue the guilt us out text on the journey home, saying she's fretting about Christmas now. You see we are the only one's with grandkids, therefore we must be accessible to her for all holidays. Apparently my family are buggered. We haven't heard anything since except an email before this last weekend with a tiny sentence at the bottom (which I genuinely didn't see until later) asking if we were "around at the weekend" subsequently I never answered that, and we haven't heard a peep hmm

Mckayz Mon 25-Nov-13 20:31:37

Hons, our school is very very strict on no filming by parents. But they usually film it and you can buy a DVD.

beans37 Mon 25-Nov-13 20:39:16

DD1 has been promoted in her nativity (C of E school), from a pig with the line "oink oink" (lower than a sheep last year) to The Star, with the line "I am the star. Follow me". Oh yes. RADA beckons. Or at the least LAMDA with a part as an extra on Holby City. When she says "I am the star", DH and I have been sniggering that we are going to teach her to say "I am the star of the show" instead. But it might be a bit mean.

beans37 Mon 25-Nov-13 20:40:29

A bit mean to all the other children, because clearly DD1 IS the star of the show. Heh heh heh! Snigger.

Indith Mon 25-Nov-13 20:50:08

I'm sure she is the star of the show.

Vagolajahooli Mon 25-Nov-13 21:26:05

Crikey you ladies have been chatty this afternoon.

But where is Arti? I guess she has been busy with the christening & family. Didn't see any photos of it on FB though. Hope she is ok.

Hello Sybs and I see you there too Hons. You've been thinking of OT?

It's interesting the what will the kids do when their olderr question, Kayz. I have a friend who is a SAHM and she worries that she is a bad example for her daughters. I think that is a shame that she thinks that. I don't think children have to see both parents working to know how to aspire to something. I think motivation and work ethic can be shown in ways other than physically going off to paid work. (Though not sure I'm doing it that well). To be honest, I'd be happy if the boys decided to be the primary home based carers of their kids. Also my old job, as much as I loved it and hope to go back to it, was very stressful and I don't think I would have been a nice mum or a good example of working womenhood. I'm waffling now aren't I.

beans37 Mon 25-Nov-13 21:31:27

You are, Vag, but I like it.

Look at me, living the dream. I'm in bed.

Is it bad that I am encouraging DH to play one of his Xbox games in the hope he will feed DD3 quite late, therefore enabling me to sleep longer?? Although then maybe she'll have done her one lone stint of sleeping. God, this baby lark is a minefield of dreary possibilities. I've bored myself. Zzzzzzzz.

Vagolajahooli Mon 25-Nov-13 21:50:25

No that is a perfect idea Beans. How often do husband get encouraged to play video games. Your an angel of a wife Beans, he's lucky to have you. ;-p

RTjoke Mon 25-Nov-13 22:11:14

I'm here Veg. And there are christening photos on FB! It all went really well. Drugs and adrenalin saw DD2 through. DD1 did a fab reading and DS melted hearts by smiling throughout, even when practically immersed in the water.

I'm up for secret Santa.

We are doing a 5th party in mid Jan, I can't do a party in the week before chrimbo, it just feels wrong. DD2 wants 7 kids from her class and 5 from her old nursery. Several kids in her class have had all class parties so I feel a bit bad we aren't following suit.

Nolda Tue 26-Nov-13 06:59:30

Beans, that is funny ("star of the show"). DS is also a star but one of many. He says that he has two things to say but has no idea what they are so not looking good.

Hons I hope you get to see your DDs bit, fingers crossed filming is allowed.

Ocado man brought all the stuff. I need the fresh yeast to make the advent buns this week. Swedish coffee will be drunk whenever. Special sausages will be eaten on DS's birthday but the rest kept for Christmas.

Nolda Tue 26-Nov-13 07:02:26

Arti, so glad the christening went well. Will go and look at the photos now.

I'm up for secret Santa.

beans37 Tue 26-Nov-13 11:29:18

breastfeeding is meant to be a beautiful thing. Tell DD3. She's lying on me feeding away, then doubling up as she squeezes out a stinky poo. nice.

RT. so glad the christenings went well. We're having godparent dilemmas as this is our final one.

Just had a smear test. Yummy.