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DECEMBER 2012: Please babies sleep, before you turn 1!

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halestone Sat 02-Nov-13 15:29:57

new thread

halestone Sat 02-Nov-13 15:34:12

haha WL That sounds quite funny.

sorry about everyone else's poor sleep H went to sleep at 4am but then cried alot in her sleep so hardly any sleep was had here. Hoping for better night tonight but i doubt it will happen as she has only just gone down for nap. Also her appetite is worse than normal today i think shes in pain somewhere.

I've got two gannets, I don't know how I'm going to afford to feed them both as they get older grin

I'm looking forward to sausage and mash for dinner (with the red cabbage) and veg. Debating whether or not to do yorkshires and stuffing too blush we will be having them tomorrow with roast chicken but I do love them...

WL I expect you made someone's day!

Stacks how was the train journey, apart from ds not sleeping?

ISpyPlumPie Sat 02-Nov-13 16:45:05

Thanks for the thread Hales.

I'm sure the babies are telepathic sometimes. N also decided thst pulling pyjama bottoms down would be a fun game this morning but DH was his chosen victimgrin

We went to get N's first shoes today. He's a size 3G and very proud of his big boy shoes.

Have also discovered what looks suspiciously like a molar trying to break through N's top gum. Could explain the even crapper than normal sleep we've been having.

Hello all. Checking in.

Very nice WL, hopefully you brightened up someone's rainy Saturday!

DS went back to sleep at 1:30 (after his 4th bottle) and only got up at 7:45. He clearly knew it was DP's get up the traitor. I've got up at 4:30 everyday for the last fortnight. After drinking 24oz of milk in the night, DS had 1.5 weetabix, a full slice of toast and some organix for breakfast. It must be a growth spurt.

Just been to a 1st birthday pool party, it was lovely but as ill advised as it sounds grin. Too many big kids and grown men nearly drowning the babies. J wailed in changing rooms, when the little shits other kids were blowing party horns and all the way home.

I am exhausted now but the lovely hosts sent me home with loads of cake. X-factor, wine and cake before an early night for me. DP's off to play poker tonight.

WLmum Sat 02-Nov-13 17:24:48

Thanks for the new thread hales.
Hmmm, Ts appetite seems a bit down too.
Really hoping that we've reached the worst point of sleep training and that it starts to get better tonight - we've got friends coming for a take away tonight so will probably be late to sleep, then swimming lessons and 12 people for lunch tomorrow. Seemed like a good idea at the time!

PurplePidjin Sat 02-Nov-13 17:55:56

I have a sleeper nowadays, sorry blush

Pool party sounds like a nightmare! I find the only way to cope after swimming is rice cakes. Or cheerios. I lay him out a mini picnic on the bench while i get dressed then do him!

We're doing a Dear Zoo party joint with a friend. My mum is going to do a book corner, I'll do a bit of a sing song, plus a free for all of toys in the church hall - we've put on the invitations to bring a toy to share instead of a present

Argh I'd hate a pool party too, I'd be making dp go instead!

WL I saw they're doing the stick man live but only in London....I've got dd the book for Christmas.

lazzaroo Sat 02-Nov-13 18:31:08

Utopian, yes, just turned 10 months. Born 30/12. Something is also going on with her naps. Think we need to adjust them but haven't quite worked that out yet. She was up at 4.30am! Went back down at 7.30am but then resisted next sleep at 11am. Had 40mins at 12.30 but that's it. Feeding her now & then she'll be asleep. She is making a lot of developmental leaps too, especially with walking (not unaided...yet!).

Ds completely refuses to stand/walk. He cruises loads and pulls up on anything (including flat surfaces) but if you put him down he just collapses to his knees. It's quite frustrating as I think he could do it if he tried. He was the same with sitting though I suppose. He just never did it as he wanted to crawl all the time, even though he could do it...

WLmum Sat 02-Nov-13 19:57:36

pidj that sounds lovely, what a nice idea.

spotty some babies just insist on doing things only when they are completely ready.

I would be worried about the safety of a pool party and would wonder just how much enjoyment the 1 year old would get.

As we've got guests coming the house is clean (ish) and tidy (ish) - its so nice! DH have the dds tea so I could shower and do hair and make up. 'twas lovely. I'm hungry now though and food will be ages.

That sounds nice Pidj. I can't really be arsed to do much and it'll be the 16th Dec. I may do a gluhwein and Stollen party for the mums and the babies can fend for themselves while we chat!

J's exactly the same Spotty. If I stand him up and let go he'll stand there for ages but as soon as he realises he's stood unsupported he drops to his bum. Oh well, he'll do it soon enough. When's F's birthday?

It was safe tbh WL as there were loads of spare adults. We commandeered the shallow end/steps as baby central (far away from the big kids) and they had a fantastic time climbing in/out and splashing each other. I think it helps that we regularly meet up to go to swimtots/for a splash so we're used to looking out for each other's babies. The pool provided a life guard and baby float seats.

It was properly hard work though. There were 7 babies in the changing room wailing in unison at one point.

DS is poorly, he's been crying off and on (mainly on) since 2pm. He's hot to the touch but the thermometer says he's only 37.8. I'm not convinced.

The weather here is horrendous. I had to wait for a deluge of rain to pass before I could drive home from the pool. And the fireworks keep waking J up. At least I have wine and cake.

What are you having WL? Hope you're having fun with your guests.

Barbeasty Sat 02-Nov-13 20:31:13

Thanks Hales.

A is the same Spotty. DH will try to make him stand and you get a withering look and after a second he very carefully sits down. So frustrating.

I really hope teeth are coming. He won't let me put a finger in to feel, so hopefully they're breaking the surface. And I need sleep tonight. It's been a week of worse than normal sleep, it's not fair.

He's barely eaten (again). A mouthful of lunch, same at dinner and the tiniest bit of chocolate brownie. Teeth? I hope so.

Tbf WillYou that would be a temp for dd and ds who usually average 36.6. It's really windy here too, all the doors are rattling from the draught. Luckily no fireworks near enough to disturb really.

Ds' birthday is 26th November sob sob sob every day I think about having another one I think as his first birthday approaches it's getting worse.

Hope you're having a lovely take away WL smile

DS is usually between 36 and 36.2 Spotty. Does that mean this is a temp? I've given both calpol and ibuprofen but it's not moved at all.

Hopefully just teeth Beasty. I am sick to the back teeth of bloody teeth!

Yep anything over 37 is a temp and over 38 is a fever. I would guess it's just teeth but would keep an eye on it and maybe remove some clothing.

Beasty I hope you get some sleep

I've put him in his old summer sleep bag instead of his big thick one. I'll give the ibuprofen half an hour and check him again.

He's back up due to fireworks. I need even considered that they would keep him awake before.

PurplePidjin Sat 02-Nov-13 20:47:52

19th here, Spotty that's like 2 1/2 weeks shock party is 30th though, in between the two birthdays smile

Shit I haven't even thought about a party confused

ISpyPlumPie Sat 02-Nov-13 21:03:55

We're just going to have close family and friends round for a birthday tea for N. Thinking of doing a bit of a Very Hungry Caterpillar theme - there seems to be loads of party bits with it on, I reckon I could have a bash at a cake and it certainly suits the Very Hungry N!

He absolutely adores Dear Zoo as well. Sounds like it'll be a great party Pidge.

How glad am I that we decided against taking DS1 to a firework display? It's wild out there. Really hoping it improves tomorrow. We're planning to take the boys to see Blackpool illuminations. Think they'll really enjoy it and will be a nice birthday day out for me

Terrible isn't it ISpy. I got drowned earlier, I was trapped on Ashton baths car park grin

FriendofDorothy Sat 02-Nov-13 21:56:09

Just checking in so I don't lose the thread. Will be back later when I have more time x

We're up to 38.5. No other symptoms. Advice please!

What medicine did he have when?

PurplePidjin Sat 02-Nov-13 22:24:24

WillYou if it's not responding to pcm/brufen, get medical advice. In the meantime keep his fluids up and strip off to nappy. Cool bath or damp flannel on the back of his nack, but make sure he's dry for an hour before leaving the house smile

I find medicine wears off after about 3/4 hours. Agree with pidj though if the medicine isn't reducing the temp it sounds like an infection. If he's due more medicine I would see what it's like after that, if not I would call ooh (111 are rubbish IMO). It's always best to get it checked out. Dd had a temp of over 40 once and they weren't worried as calpol brought it down. She was older though

He had calpol at 6 then again at 10 but puked it straight back. Ibuprofen at 6.

Am texting friend who is paeds nurse. She thinks it's a UTI.

Ibuprofen at 8 rather

FriendofDorothy Sat 02-Nov-13 22:50:50

My boy had barely any tea tonight. Think he was completely overtired. Managed to have a bath and then boob and has been in bed for several hours. I am now worried that it will be a difficult night now!

We went out for lunch today with my mother-in-law (she has been driving me nuts!) and there was another family behind us and the woman was breastfeeding her little one, very discretely. There was this evil woman sitting on the table next to us and she proceeded to bitch throughout the entire mealtime about children eating out, creating mess, feeding from the boob etc etc. I was so cross with her that on the way out I had words and told her she was the rudest woman I had ever met.

halestone Sat 02-Nov-13 23:10:29

Willyou, if worried i would tempted to get advice from the ooh also if it gets any higher i would to A+E.

FoD good for you she sounds like a horrible woman.

WL i hope your having a lovely night.

H is also barely eating at the moment as well.

Maybe she should employ her own private child catcher FoD, so she's not bothered by pesky children in future.

Open window + replacement dose of calpol + open window + wet flannel = freezing mummy temp of 37.6! Yippee!

Can teething make them this poorly or is it likely to be a virus? I haaaaate having a poorly baby. Ive been so worried.

WLmum Sat 02-Nov-13 23:41:40

Oh dear willyou. No, teething would not make him this poorly. I would assume virus so carry on as you are but get medical advice if his temp goes up again and doesn't respond to meds. It is coming into chicken pox season so watch out for spots (dd2 had it at 8 months with sustained temp of 40).

Good for you fod she sounds vile.

Have had a lovely night (take away curry - happy divali btw) and a tad too much wine smile

His temp may be separate then as we're both covered in dribble. My grey top is soaked through as is his vest. I put a vest on him as I felt wrong having him naked when it's so cold!

Still up watching in the night garden I'm afraid here. Hope the rest of you are fast asleep.

DS finally crashed out at 12:50 but was back up 35 minutes later. DP's in now and is insisting he'll be fine to take DS for a bit, but I've packed him off to bed and he can do the early shift so that I can sleep. That feels a very long way away right now!

utopian99 Sun 03-Nov-13 02:38:48

Really hope ds is fine will you, but as the others say if his temp won't stay down, call ooh or a&e. O had a persistent high temp and we ended up in ooh where they confirmed it was an ear infection in both ears. Once he got through the first day's worth of antibiotics he was so much better..

fod she sounds like a miserable old bat.

O came to his first fireworks in Greenwich today. Awesome ones, but as it was after his supper, and dh had him in the sling, he actually slept the whole way through!

Night weaning again tonight. Feel like Hateful Mother, but I almost can't feed him at night anyway, because he drinks too fast and is sick. How are you getting on, WL

2blessed Sun 03-Nov-13 04:13:33

Thanks for the thread hales

Happy birthday ispy wine flowers cake Hope you all enjoy blackpool.

Hope temp settles down willyou and you can all get some sleep.

Have lurked a bit over last week, been so tired. R had a tummy bug for nearly a week, so lots of poo explosions. Both dp and I were a bit sick with it too.
R is 10 months today! I bought his first pair of shoes yesterday since he's doing more walking.

Happy birthday ispy!

Ds seems to think 5:30 is an appropriate time to get up hmm

WillYou I agree with WL, although teething can cause a temperature, it shouldn't cause a fever. Hopes he's feeling better this morning why do they always seem to go downhill at night?!

I'm going to brain DH. I've been up all fucking night. He's just come down and said what the hell are you doing? Why are you letting him cry? SERIOUSLY? SERIOUSLY? He's cried for 12 fucking hours and he's now noticed.

He took him off me and took him upstairs. I've bollocked him and sent him down. I was downstairs as I didn't want to wake the neighbours again. He said it's not worth going downstairs as he keeps falling asleep then waking up screaming. I said don't tell me what he's doing, I know what he's doing, he's been doing it for 12 hours.

I am back in bed, there will be words in the Willyou household later!

WLmum Sun 03-Nov-13 08:49:35

Poor willyou and babywillyou. Hope he's feeling better, you get some sleep and DH is suitably apologetic.

I think last night was a little better - first wake 2ish, gave a little slow side boob (think tonight am ready to go no boob) and then cuddling/rocking/patting to sleep. She still resisted but I'm sure it was less time. Up again at 4.45 when I just gave a full feed as I know I'm not going to win at that time, in with us at 6 then up at 6.30. Hope you had a progressive night utopian.

WLmum Sun 03-Nov-13 09:02:25

2blessed hope you're all feeling better now.

Oh and I got up at 3.30 to give dd2 her inhalers. Hmm, so not a great night then!

PurplePidjin Sun 03-Nov-13 09:21:44


R slept 5:55-6:15-5:00-7:40 shock and the boys have gone for a jog in the Forest with dp's club. I'm getting in the bath then they'll be back with something from the farm shop to roast for dinner grin

Poor WillYou hope you're having a nice sleep.

Sounds lovely pidj I've just put a red wine beef casserole in the slow cooker.

Think we will go for a walk to the castle ruins this afternoon (dd likes it there) then go to costa to warm us up. I love cold days smile

Hey peeps, I've had another couple of hours and feel almost human!

DS is still wailing pretty much constantly but conks out from time to time as he's so exhausted.

I've managed to get 1 bottle and 5 blueberries into him today, I'm counting it as a win!

DP is suitably chastened, I told him I was pissed off he didn't even check on us and what he said to me this morning. He apologised and said he was half dead at the time. Weren't we all grin

halestone Sun 03-Nov-13 13:06:57

Happy Birthday Ispywinethanks

2blessed i hope your all feeling better.

Willyou how is DS now?

Pidj, i am so envy of that sleep.

Ooh I missed that it's your birthday ISpy. Have a lovely day cake

He looks a bit better Hales, he was very pale and listless before. He has his mischievous glint back. I took him for a blustery tramp around in the pram and he's now asleep. It's done me the world of good too smile

PurplePidjin Sun 03-Nov-13 14:30:38

It should be clicking into place for quiche babies soon? We night weaned in early September then sleep trained 3-4 weeks later - so at 9 1/2 - 10-1/2 months. He's been doing a solid 6-6:30/7 ever since with one wake up for a nappy (he's teething so does occasional very smelly wees that must burn because he gets upset) I had to get the right moment to push him; after the 9m growth spurt and just after some major teething.

Stacks Sun 03-Nov-13 17:10:46

Checking in to new thread. Just read back through all the posts, but didn't get to 'listen' as had DS complaining the whole time.

Spotty - the train journey was good, apart from T being too stimulated to sleep. He behaved really well though, we had quite a few comments from other passengers on just how angelic he was smile We were all exhausted when we got back though, DH and I were in bed by 8!

DH has been a bit better about eating this week, but we still struggle to get much in him. Some days have been fantastic (he's eaten more than 2 teaspoons for a meal), others not so good. I'm wondering of we have a growth spurt accompanying this cold too though. He'll sleep 2 hors after a feed, but only 15-30 minutes after a cuddle to resettle. I think tonight I'm going to try feeding at every wake and see if we can get 3-4 two hour sleeps, rather than 20 wake ups and 1-2 feeds. It's frustrating though, as he's been night weaned for months.

WL (or was it Willyou?) sounds like you had a horrendous night. Really hoping for less screaming and more sleeping for all tonight. Glad DH apologised too.

Hope teeth pop through and better nights are had, and that the fever came down and poorly LO is feeling better. Did you call ooh?

FriendofDorothy Sun 03-Nov-13 17:17:02

Can somebody talk to me about night weaning and sleep training.

a) Do I need to do it?
b) How do I do it?

grin At dh not eating stacks, assume you mean ds wink

Fod you don't have to do it, completely up to you. How often is ds up?

Right that's it ds is having a party three weeks today. I've verbally booked a hall. shock What have I done?!

FriendofDorothy Sun 03-Nov-13 17:34:38

He is up at least once a night, sometimes more. He tends to sleep from round about 8ish until 2am-ish when he wakes for a feed and then goes back to sleep until 6ish if we're lucky.

PurplePidjin Sun 03-Nov-13 17:40:35

A) only if you or dc are struggling with lack of sleep. I was coping and could see that R needed me, then the balance tipped and he started getting grumpy and over tired

B) pick a time and just don't feed after then. Midnight to 5am or something. Cuddle, rock, sing, anything but don't feed. Offer water - a friend of mine offered formula and her ds hated it so decided it wasn't worth waking up! For some people having daddy do nights for a few days helps because the dc doesn't associate them with milk. As soon as it gets to your morning time, latch on.

You should get results within a couple of days - if you don't, or you get prolonged hysterical crying, stop. R mumps and moans but only gets hysterical and actually cries if he needs something - calpol or bum change.


I requested a call back from NHS direct Stacks. They said to keep dosing him up, keep an eye in him and ring ooh if he doesn't eat/drink/wee.

He isn't eating or drinking but I just managed to get him to take 4oz of formula. <high fives self> DP has thrown DS' nappy in bin though so I'll have to go rooting to make sure it's wet. Lovely.

I will be a much better mnetter as soon as he feels better. For now I'm aware it's all me, me, me (or us, us, us).

ISpyPlumPie Sun 03-Nov-13 20:09:49

Thanks for all the lovely messages everyone. I've had a great day. Blackpool was fab. We are now the proud owners of two giant flashing light sabers and N really enjoyed helping himself to our fish and chip mainly chips supper.

* Willyou* - really hope J is feeling better soon.

FriendofDorothy Sun 03-Nov-13 20:12:12

I am starting to think about birthday and Christmas presents. Does anyone have any idea what they are going to get their LO?

WLmum Sun 03-Nov-13 20:19:38

pidj quiche babies??!! Haha!
fod absolutely agree you don't have to do it if you're happy with the way things are. I decided to do it as I was happy enough with one wake but there were some nights when she'd be up three times, each needing boob to settle. Also she doesn't always eat that much in the day and I'm sure she sort of doesn't need to as there's always milk on tap at night. I've been giving just a short feed the last few nights to make sure she's not too hungry/thirsty and then settling with cuddling/rocking/patting. If she's got too upset I've given another short feed and started again. I'm now going to move to no boob unless she gets v upset. Cuddling/rocking will slowly be replaced by patting only which will then be phased out.

Family WL have had a lovely weekend of lots of lovely company, food and wine! Quick Hoover, spot if knitting and early bed before back to school and work tomorrow.

PurplePidjin Sun 03-Nov-13 20:30:03

Mn clique = quiche. We are a quiche, and have quiche babies who belong to the quiche

Iyswim hmm

IsThatTrue Sun 03-Nov-13 20:30:38

I lost you all again, I really am rubbish. I hope all mums and babies are well.

I'm in the middle of designing our new house and sorting out quotes etc. it's taking up a lot of headspace tbh.

Ds2 is doing ok, still not quite walking thank god but he's worked out how to position his toys to create steps so can climb on the sofa/table/tv unit.

We've been night weaning. Some nights are better than others but we usually get 2 wake ups at most ( and 1 is before midnight). The next may be 6am if I'm lucky (which I suppose is technically morning). I'm definitely feeling more human with a bit more sleep.

DH is away in India from tues for 3 weeks so who knows how I'll cope then. confused

I've got ds quite a bit. I think I probably won't realise how much until I get it all out blush what I can remember:

A wooden with wooden blocks in
A fisher price choo choo musical train thing confused
A wooden click clack fire engine
10 That's not my....books
3 toot toot vehicles (parents getting him the garage)
Melissa & doug wooden stacking blocks
A my first drum set
Some bath stacking cups
A bath drum
Socks (stocking filler!)
A few other melissa & doug vehicle sets which I may well save for next year...

PurplePidjin Sun 03-Nov-13 20:44:05

R had a foam jigsaw play mat with a town on and a musical activity table. He'll be overwhelmed on the day by family plus had grown out of the dj booth so he's had them early - and is loving them.

He's got a duplo train and some magnetic stacking blocks for Christmas.

I refuse to feel guilty about not getting him much. He has as much love, singing, playing, reading as he can handle and we go to a group every week day. He has what he needs.

DS is still up, will this day never end!

WLmum Sun 03-Nov-13 21:41:14

pidj I don't get why it's a quiche but I get how the babies belong to it! And quiche is delish so all good.

I am not getting T anything new for her bday & xmas - I have kept back some of the toys from dd1&2 which I will wrap and present. Love the sound of magnetic stacking blocks though. My thinking is always save the money now while their needs are few and simple, and they don't know any better, and spend it when it all changes! All 3 have v few new clothes, most are hand me downs which they love. There will be plenty of time for them to be fashion conscious.

ddas Sun 03-Nov-13 22:16:37

We're getting dd a dolls house for bday- the elc one but as you can get as good as new second hand ones with all the furniture in them I'm keeping my eye out on eBay for one. Hate spending the mad prices for new toys even if we can afford it. Although at the moment think ds will like it more than her! But know that before she reaches 2/next Xmas she'll start playing it so figured we'd get it now. For this Xmas not sure yet- probably something practical since she'll be getting lots from other people and she's got all ds's toys.

halestone Sun 03-Nov-13 23:01:06

Arghhh i wrote out a huge post and its gone.

Willyou i hope you and J are ok. You don't need to worry about your posts at the moment we're all here to support you it's horrible looking after a poorly baby. Are you booking a GP appointment tomorrow? It may help ease your mind.

Fod we're not sleep training although H gets up at least 2 times a night because i can cope with that. She does however go back down quite easily. She rarely has a bottle of a night now and regularly goes 8-10 hours of a night without one.

Isthat how are your house plans coming along?

We havn't decided what we're getting H for her birthday it will probably something practical like clothes. For christmas we're getting her a Little Tikes red/yellow car, the ones they sit inside and use their feet to get around and some books. Spotty she has some of the 'thats not my' books and she loves them. We have asked close family to buy clothes for either christmas or her birthday and a cheap toy for the other one IYSWIM.

WL your weekend sounds lovely grin

I have been given more hours in the chippy which means i don't need to look for another job and H's childcare will cost us nothing as there at times DP can look after hergrin

utopian99 Mon 04-Nov-13 02:50:34

Hi all, been catching up but can't remember who and what as brain utterly fried. Friday night he slept through, yesterday woke three times I settled and four times dh settled, and tonight slept 7-12.30 but then woke every half hour from then, and now won't go down at all. He falls asleep in arms and cries as soon as we move towards the cot. Have calpolled just in case but it's not made a difference. Dh is shattered so I've taken over again, but no idea what to do apart from you pick up, put down, which has been going on for half an hour so far with no improvement. He's not going for boob on pick up, have no idea what's up but totally lost here. Sorry for being a bit mememe as well here, his sleep had been so much better last month and is so much worse now.

2blessed Mon 04-Nov-13 04:25:22

1st wake up! R slept 9-3.50. He's had a bit of boob but wouldnt settle back in his cot, so he's in with us.

We're getting R stocking fillers e.g books, musical instruments and cars for christmas. Keeping it simple this year.

We had a lovely sunday. I went to church and left dp and ds watching cartoons. Then we went to crystal pal palace for a late lunch. R ate very well grin.

Feel quite organised for the week - R's and my ironing done and meals planned. Must keep this up hmm

Hope lo's are giving their dm's a chance to sleep.

I was thinking the same ddas, dd's birthdays in June so she has the opportunity for next level toys every six months.

It's that bargain thread that's got me buying-addictive! On the plus side I can easily keep bits back for birthdays etc. dd has got quite a bit for Christmas but again her main present was only £13 and then I've got her loads of books oh and a wooden kitchen aid type thing grin

Ds woke at 6:30 and dd is still asleep. Does anyone else have a thumb sucker? Ds is always sucking his thumb..

IsThatTrue Mon 04-Nov-13 07:08:03

For birthday ds2 has a vtech alphabet train thing. My mum will buy his first shoes when he starts walking and mil is giving money. He has so many clothes (hand me downs) and plenty of toys atm. For Xmas I've git him a few loft out puzzles, some Xmas books, and a box of mega blox. I'm hoping he won't be too overwhelmed as the big dcs are with their dad so it'll be a bit quieter for him.

hales the house plans are going ok, we're just working out what is essential. How it's cheapest (one contractor that can do everything vs several for different things). Trying to plan kitchens and bathrooms. Costing out what furniture we need for each room and finding fabric for the curtains, which I've decided to make all of with blackout lining. What doesn't help is we can't get in there properly until the beginning of dec. and DH goes to India tomorrow for 3 weeks. So things are kinda at a standstill. hmm

Well last night DS woke at 11.45 buy I shushed and rocked and was back in bed by 12. Then he woke at 3.45 I fed him and then shushed and rocked and was back in bed by 4.15. Then he woke at 6.39 and came in for his morning feed, now he's passed out on my arm. I have 10 minutes until I need to get dd avid ds1 up for school.

It's ds1s 7th birthday today! Dd turned 9 a few weeks ago. Why do they grow up so quick?

ddas Mon 04-Nov-13 08:09:48

It does go so quickly! I can't imagine ds or dd being that old but know it'll be here before I know it sad

spotty where's this bargain thread?? Always on the look out for one lol

Just found ds's Xmas present on eBay a wooden train table- ends tonight so fingers crossed.

halestone Mon 04-Nov-13 08:23:58

Utopian we've been struggling to get H back in her cot so i gave up and now co-sleep but as soon as shes over the longest cold i'll be trying to get her back in her cot. Sorry i have no practical advice just thought it may help to know someone is in the same boat.

2blessed that sounds very organised.

Isthat wow 3 weeks away i would struggle without DP for that long. The house plans sound hard work but worth it.

Spotty H doesn't suck her thumb.

Barbeasty Mon 04-Nov-13 08:45:52

Great news Hales

A is getting a thing where you hammer the pegs down and a box of duplo of his birthday, and planning on getting him a toy farm plus animals for Christmas. Also going with the giving him stuff he'll grow into plan. DD's birthday is exactly 6 months from Christmas, so much easier.

She thinks she's having a party, with lots of babies coming. But actually we're planning to go to the aquarium and then lunch for A's birthday.

utopian99 Mon 04-Nov-13 08:49:13

is that what is it you do again? If I can help in anyway with architectural input (for free), just ask. If you are in the industry anyway, ignore my sleep scrambled brain.

hales thanks for the support. When he's I'll we co sleep but I am trying to get him out of expecting it. This put down problem is new on me though. He is up and perky after finally settling at 4.20, dh and I are broken.

Poor you Utopian I have no advice but what about posting in sleep. They're always nice and helpful over there.

Yay to more hours and no childcare Hales, that's fantastic news.

The storm has passed here! Whatever it was. J screamed until 11 last night, despite a delightful 10pm drive through the rural back roads! In the end he crashed out then woke again at 11:45. ITNG and calpol got him back down at 12:15. He woke at 6 for a bottle then 9:10!
He has am awful rattle on his chest so may take him to docs just for checking over.

IsThatTrue Mon 04-Nov-13 09:36:18

I do office stuff, have no idea about architecture utopian I may need to take you up on that.

Ds just screamed all the way back from dropping dd at nursery. It wasn't until I got home I realised he'd made himself sick sad

WLmum Mon 04-Nov-13 10:29:08

Oh utopian that's rough. No real suggestions other than a bit of cc which I know you weren't keen on.
Can you get someone to take O for a bit so you can grab a nap?

We fared rather better - wake up at 2ish and she went back down with just a quick cuddle. 4.30 wake I caved and fed her and she went til 7! My boobs were very lumpy and painful!

halestone Mon 04-Nov-13 11:55:48

Utopian that does sound rough. I think Willyou's suggestion of posting in sleep may help someone has got to have been through it before and they will know the answer.

Willyou yay to you getting some sleep i hope J's chest clears up soon.

Spotty i hope DS isn't coming down with something.

Beasty a trip to the aquarium for A's birthday sounds lovely.

Utopian I missed your post blush sorry you're having such a tough time sad I don't think I have any advice I'm afraid. My niece has always been an awful sleeper and was an early walked, very bright. Wonder if there's a connection?

jackandjilly Mon 04-Nov-13 13:24:10

Marking place

Be back later to catch up smile

Maryland2013 Mon 04-Nov-13 13:28:14

Sorry to hear about bad sleep.. We've had disturbed nights too with coughing coughing coughing it's driving me mad!

Birthday/ Xmas presents all sound ace. I think we're going to get a trike- one of those with a stick handle on that the parents push with until they're bigger. Parents have already bought mega blocks.. I also think we will go to sea life. I'm guessing it will be cold/ rainy/ snowy (?!) mid December so indoor activities all the way!

Spotty where did you get your 10 x it's my books? DS loves those smile

I agree with whoever said (sorry) that we should try to save pennies on pressies now while they don't really get it so we have more later! We also shouldn't feel guilty about not buying loads or feel pressured to buy loads.. My DSD (13) got an iPhone 5 last year (not from us) so we're never going to be able to top that so won't even try!!

Can anyone recommend any nice fancy baby clothes shops that I can browse on while DS is napping?

I've not bought any birthday or christmas presents yet. I have no idea what I'm getting. I'm going to copy off you lot when I can be arsed to start shopping.

ISpyPlumPie Mon 04-Nov-13 15:34:20

N is getting a Happyland submarine for his birthday and a trike with a stick handle for Christmas. Will be getting some books and a few other bits too, but definitely agree with less is more at this age especially for DC2 when the house is already packed to the rafters with toys.

Great news about the extra hours Hales.

Hope things get better soon Utopian. Really wish I had some advice but both of mine have been poor sleepers -- understatement--. They have both been early walkers too so maybe there is a correlation Spotty

Maryland2013 Mon 04-Nov-13 15:46:32

Willyou... Do you mean like Boden? Baby joules, john Lewis, jojo maman bebe?

Thanks Maryland I had a bit of a snoop around but didn't see anything I HAD to have!

The books were from WHSmith for £12 but sold out super quick. I've got bits from eBay selling sites and all dd's happyland stuff is from eBay. She has the alien bits and loves them even now smile

Maryland2013 Mon 04-Nov-13 21:10:48

What is happy land?

Happyland is little people and playsets, I think it's from the ELC but not sure. My uncle has got DS happyland zoo for Christmas.

ddas Mon 04-Nov-13 21:42:52

Happyland is great for toddlers. We're a big fan.

Past 2 weeks been thinking about stopping bf- keep thinking I'm ready and want my body back but then chicken out. Worried I'll regret it & this my last so once I stop that's it. Sounds a bit silly really!!

ddas Mon 04-Nov-13 21:44:03

Plus will have to figure out another way of getting her to nap/sleep without the boob. My DM,dh and nursery seem to manage it but she won't do it for me and hold out till she gets boob!

WLmum Mon 04-Nov-13 22:22:03

Not silly at all ddas I know exactly what you mean (although I'm not quite ready)

ISpyPlumPie Mon 04-Nov-13 23:32:11

We've got the spaceship/alien Happyland stuff too as well as loads of other bits. DS1 also still likes playing with it every now and then (especially if N has shown an interest in it) so it's definitely proved to be good value so far.

I'm another one who's alternating between wanting my body back and not quite being ready to close the door on bf. Given that since early 2009 I've been either pg or bf (or both!) it's going to seem quite strange when I do stop. Am more than a bit scared about the impact of the change in hormones if I'm honest - it's bound to affect me somehow isn't it?

Barbeasty Tue 05-Nov-13 05:35:11

Up every 20 minutes since 2am and when I got A from his cot I slipped on something. I've really hurt my ankle and 2 toes, and I dropped A (although only once I had collapsed onto the floor iyswim). He was fine, I'm so not up for work today!

But his 2 top front teeth have broken through at last, and his babbling has become more like conversation.

Oh no beasty sad

Re bf when I stopped I didn't have any problems with hormones but ds had been on nursing strike for so long my supply had really dwindled.

Eugh I find it really hard to eat this time of morning.

2blessed Tue 05-Nov-13 07:16:24

Ouch beasty

Not the greatest of nights here. R spent most of the night in our bed attached to my boob. Everytime I tried to take him off he would wake up. DM is coming to collect him whilst I work from home today.

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 07:38:46

T slept 8.15 til 4.45! Hoorah! Feed and back down til 6 then in with us dozing on the boob til 6.45. Think ill give it a few days before tackling the 4.45 wake up. Sorry for rubbish sleep elsewhere.

beasty that sounds nasty. Hope you manage to rest it for a few days.

8:15-4:45, 5:00-8:15. Boom! Obviously he's still poorly (chest infection if I didn't say I'd worked it out) so that'll have an impact.

Massive improvement in speech here too, I love watching them change smile

Barbeasty Tue 05-Nov-13 12:27:20

I'm not sure how much of the poor sleep was down to having to come back to work today! I think I really need to start putting A back in his cot, we disturb each other otherwise and wake each other up.

I'm resting my leg behind a desk today. But I do have a brief site visit tomorrow.

I more or less let DD choose when to stop feeding, so I guess I'll do the same with A. No getting pregnant and forcing the issue this time!

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 12:27:31

Wow willyou that's great sleep! Hope his chest is better soon.

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 12:28:38

hales I've been meaning to say great news on the job/childcare front.

ISpyPlumPie Tue 05-Nov-13 14:52:47

Beasty - sounds nasty. Hope you recover quickly.

Fab sleep Willyou.

N's getting more conversational all the time. He's always babbling away "chatting" to us and the changes in tone (combined with a fair bit of pointing) means he's getting really effective at communicating his needs for someone without much of a vocabulary grin.

Stressful day at work, awful headache and only just sat down for lunch. Have to leave to get dd in half an hour. Woe is me sad

lazzaroo Tue 05-Nov-13 15:32:22

That's horrible spotty. Hope headache lifts soon. And you beasty, hope your leg better soon.

Think I may have passed my stomach bug on to dd1. She was supposed to do her sleep study last night. We got the monitor on her toe at 8.30 & then at 9 she was crying out. We thought it was the monitor disturbing her but she'd been sick everywhere sad. needless to say the sleep study was abandoned, she ended up in bed with me & I'm knackered (as ever!)

Good sleep WL. hope your little one better soon willyou, good sleep will speed recover for sure.

ddas I am feeling the same about bf. I do want to stop. But at the same time,it's so easy I wonder why I want to set myself up with another challenge!

utopian I hope you have found some helpful advice on sleep board. I am onbviously rubbish at inducing good sleep as both mine have been terrible (I'll stick with the theory about the link with brightness & early development! wink)

Work today & baby lazza did a 2 hour nap for my mum! Have just tried to get her to sleep now though so she's not awake too long before bed but she's not having it. Well, went to sleep on me but woke when I put her down. Will just have to keep her going now I think confused.

lazzaroo Tue 05-Nov-13 16:12:43

Baby lazza has just bitten dd1. Really hard, left little teeth marks shock sad

Poor dd1 lazza sad I feel much better now the headaches gone but still having a tiresome day! Looking forward to beef stir fry for dinner smile

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 16:44:26

Baby lazza bit me! Poor dd1

Glad you're feeling a bit better spotty

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 19:31:57

Found a great bday/Xmas pressie for my mum to give T - a vetch car garage - saw it in tesco earlier for £38 but amazon have it for £26 with free delivery. She loves watching balls roll down so hopefully will enjoy cars too! And it'll be a bit different to the oodles of girly stuff we already have.

That's what my parents have for for ds WL smile it's a good price. The three cars that go with it are currently £14.98 but if you keep an eye on them they sometimes go down to £9.99. I've got those for dd to give to ds (although she's seen the ad on tv and requested it for herself hmm!)

utopian99 Tue 05-Nov-13 19:41:13

Thanks for the advice everyone - had a good read in sleep and lots of similar threads so we have ideas. He did sleep better last night but then I was horribly sick so dh had to do settles at 2, 4 and brought to me at 6. I've felt really weak and achey all day, and I think dh is catching it now. What a miserable bunch.
Currently trying to feed to sleep with fireworks going off everywhere hmm, but on a good note the Nipple of Pain (where he bit me a month ago) has gone!

Also thinking about when to stop bf but it's so useful I think I'll wait till he's 1 before forcing it..

Poor you utopiansadi really hope things improve for you soon thanks

lazzaroo Tue 05-Nov-13 20:08:35

We have got that garage for baby lazza too! And my parents are giving her a set of cars! smile

Ds was --climbing on--playing with one at toddler group so I know he'll like it smile

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 20:34:02

Haha great minds! T just climbs on everything at the moment, she's a total menace!

utopian boo to sickness. Hope you all feel better soon.

Speaking of climbers, baby Willyou climbed behind the telly today and fell behind the unit. He was not happy! I'd have stopped him but I was too busy taking a picture blush

ddas Tue 05-Nov-13 21:53:03

Dd has a few marks on her forehead from climbing then falling blush luckily I know it's not just with me as the days she's at nursery she's a regular on their accident book! It's a good thing they have an excess of brain cells with all these bumps!

Another vote for the vetch garage. My dad got one for ds last year. Both ds & dd like it although ds has mostly outgrown it.

IsThatTrue Tue 05-Nov-13 22:01:26

I'm glad it's not just my baby who's climbing everything! He's worked out that he can push things up to other things and create steps! The only problem is when it's his walker he pushes to the sofa/tv unit/shelves as the walker invariably scoots off again! hmm he's constantly falling. I laugh at him and tell him to stop being a twit > mean mummy <

PurplePidjin Tue 05-Nov-13 22:39:25

You'd think with all that money, vtech would be able to make toys that play music that's both in tune and in time hmm

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 23:02:51

T is also a little monster about changing her nappy - as soon as her back touches the mat she's up and with such force and determination in worried I'm going to hurt her if I hold her down. My other 2 were so compliant!

Weird night tonight. DP fell asleep feeding DS and didn't actually feed him hmm DS is a super sleepy sleeper and has to be prompted to drink constantly before he slips into total unconsciousness. He woke for his bedtime bottle at 9:30 and then again at 1. We shall see what the rest of the night will bring.

utopian99 Wed 06-Nov-13 03:11:37

Dh is feeling awful so I said I'd do all wake ups. So far he's woken 10.30, 1 and 2.30, taking 45 minutes to settle every time. I'm getting absolutely sick of this, has anyone ACTUALLY ever made it work, or is it just that you've gone on trying till they grow out of it anyway.

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 06:14:54

Fed up.com

Up at 4am (and midnight). Desperately tried to get her back to sleep but gave up at 5.15. Frustrating thing is I know she'll have a rubbish nap and wake up tired & grumpy.

utopian I'm sure by now dd1 was sleeping through. We did cc with her at about 9 months. Annoying thing is we've tried that with baby lazza & it hasn't made any difference. She settles easily at night, but still wakes anywhere between 1 & 3 & then gets up early (5ish).

She seemed really hungry when she woke, desperate for her porridge. Despite feeding lots between 4&5. Could my milk be getting a bit rubbish?!

If you get really desperate utopian have you considered a sleep clinic? (Ponds?).

My tooth I had the root canal on is seriously aching. I'm very sad my back teeth came through with no enamel on them. Do I give the root canal another go or do I just have it out? I'm only 26 my body is so crap sad

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Nov-13 08:24:50

utopian it worked for R within days

halestone Wed 06-Nov-13 13:10:40

We have just had weemagedeon, she waited till i took her nappy off and wee'd all over herself and managed to cover half the living room as wellshock There must of been a hole in her changing mat and the inside of it went squishy so i've binned that. I have never seen so much wee.

Utopian and Lazza sorry about the bad nights. This time last year my sister came home with my niece and was really struggling with lack of sleep so put her in my bedroom so she could get a rest (i was 37 weeks pregnant) she asked me to do CIO with her so i did it took a week to do. My sister said she couldn't do it as she couldn't bear to listen to my niece cry but it didn't upset me as much as it did her. She said its different listening to your own baby cry than listening to someone elses baby cry.

Willyou i hope J's chest infection is better today.

WL i also have a huge wriggler when she gets on the mat its so hard to get a nappy on her.

Goodness hales! Ds weed on the floor last night but it was only about a tablespoons worth! Nappy change is difficult here too. hmm

halestone Wed 06-Nov-13 13:16:40

Spotty shes always done big wee's her nappy is always wet through after a wee. Obviously she may do smaller wee's before that but i wouldn't notice that.

Well if ds is anything like dp then he has very poor bladder control hmm dd is just like me and has a bladder of steel grin

Ds has learnt how to do the 'red Indian' noise (sorry I know that's not PC but didn't know how to explain it) only he does it with his fist! Still can't get him to clap though...

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Nov-13 16:56:36

R tries that but with his hand in his mouth! Also wibble with his fingers on his lips.

He can indicate yes and no, mama and dada in the right context, muh for more/want that with reaching, and we've had bee (ball) bah-bee (doll) vrrm vrrm (lorry) ta (thank you) gah (cat) and teddy plus attempts at names - noo for his friend (v recognisable name) and kay for aunty katie

I don't think ds will be an early talker like dd was. He says mama dada and ta (I think it's ta, I don't say it to him but my step mum does and he says it when he wants something smile)

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 18:10:20

Whata long day. Baby lazza is knackered (as am I!), so I'm trying to keep her awake to get at least a bit of milk into her. She practically fell asleep at the sight of boob tonight! So, another early night & I'm mentally preparing myself for another early morning sad. DH can't come home soon enough this week!

spotty no clapping here either! And not such impressive talking pidg. I'm worrying (unnecessarily I hope) about it as dd1 has a speech delay & if baby lazza does too, maybe it's us.

So, tomorrow's another day & with dd1 in pre school I'm going to focus on reversing baby lazza's over tiredness....naps will be my mission! Sure early mornings are linked hmm

Oh lazza I'm sure it's just one of those things! I know how hard it is not to 'symptom spot' when there's things in the family though! Good luck on the naps tomorrow. Dd has her pre school jabs and I have the dentist hmm

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 18:32:01

Hope so! and my car has MOT/service tomorrow....I think it's going to be an expensive one!

sad Now dp has just been told that his nan only has a week to live sad

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 19:02:51

So sorry spotty. Hearing news like that certainly puts things in perspective. No more whinging from me.

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Nov-13 19:10:00

lazza when i moved R's bedtime back to 6 he started sleeping longer - overtiredness made it hard for him to stay asleep. A friend of mine was putting her dc down when she seemed tired, only to be up every 2 hours all night. It was her birthday so i popped over after bedtime and dc was acting like R does when he's screamingly desperately in need of his bed - overexcited, giggling, bouncing, needing constant interaction - she started putting dc down at 7 after the dinner-bath-milk shenanigans and now gets 7:30-6:30 with the last part co-sleeping. That was within 2 nights.

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Nov-13 19:10:51

thanks Spotty

FriendofDorothy Wed 06-Nov-13 19:12:59

We have a terrible wriggler too. I feel like I would rather put a nappy on the cat!

Do it fod!! Let us know which is easier wink

Maryland2013 Wed 06-Nov-13 19:16:55

Oh Fod that's so very funny. Although I fear you would get your eyes scratched out?!

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 19:18:21

Thanks pidj, I'll try to get some decent naps in tomorrow & stick with an early night. I've kind of got to the point where I don't know what to tackle first! Today has been so frustrating as she has only napped for 40mins at a time, even though she's obviously still tired when she wakes. Long naps seem like a distant memory (apart from yesterday when she randomly slept for 2 hours in the pushchair!!? I was at work envy)

halestone Wed 06-Nov-13 19:28:07

Lazza i hope it works out tomorrow and the naps lead to better sleep.

Spotty, sorry to hear about your DP's nanthanks

FoD i agree do it then put the video on facebook haha.

MrsNutella Wed 06-Nov-13 19:52:42

Hello all, I think you don't need me to explain the name change grin
Sorry, I've not really kept up, it's been manic her; but I've done my best.

Fod I think I would rather put nappies on a cat than DS at the moment! Honestly you would think I was laying him on pins and trying to pull his legs off or something the way he wriggles!! I've found distracting him with snacks works best - although it sadly isn't foolproof.

Spotty DS does that noise with his fist too. It's so cute! Not much proper talking going on. But when he is pulling up on DH (oooohh first time writing that blush) he does go dadadada
And sorry for your DP and his sad news.

Lazza I have no advice, I think worry comes with the job as mummy. But it just shows you care.

hales thanks for the new thread.

Anyone want some leftover cake?

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 20:00:34

Congratulations mrs! hope everything went as planned smile

Oooo congratulations Nutella! Hope you had a lovely day thanks

WLmum Wed 06-Nov-13 20:06:06

mrs squueeaalll! Hope it was all totally fab and pretty please may we have a photo on fb? Absolutely want cake!
spotty sorry about dps nan, so soon after his grandad too.
utopian dd1 was a particularly horrendous sleeper and in desperation I did full on cc at 6 months. It was so very tough but took 3 nights and then we had 7-7.
T has learnt to do a pig noise which I love so will post a vid on fb. No real words or particular attempts at words though.

halestone Wed 06-Nov-13 20:14:54

Congratulations Mrs grin Nutella. I hope you had a fabulous day. I agree with WL please put a pic on fb and i'd like a slice of cake as well grinthankswinethanks

jackandjilly Wed 06-Nov-13 20:34:09

Congratulations mrs Nutella! grin Yes to cake and yes to a lovely pic! Hope it was a fantastic day.

We also have a wriggler and a climber. He wriggles so much I'm constantly getting poo on the carpet hmm his favourite place to climb into is the fireplacegrin will post a pic on fb

WLmum Wed 06-Nov-13 22:51:24

Beautiful fireplace jack!

WLmum Wed 06-Nov-13 22:53:08

I can't upload the T pig vid atm as my group fb is playing up b

utopian99 Wed 06-Nov-13 23:20:23

Hurrah and congrats mrsnut!! Yay to cake and wedding photos, I do love a wedding.. grin

Dh has shaved himself a particularly rakish/dubious no for November. Is it wrong that it's a bit of a filthy awful to admit turn on? blush

Thanks for the words of support re sleep. Dh and I had a chat and decided we just can't be hard core enough to force cc. Feeling a lot happier again, we're just going to take it in turns to do cuddle to sleep as he's happily given up going for night boob. Sorry for all the whinging recently and it does mean a lot to have people who understand, even when we all follow different ways.

utopian99 Thu 07-Nov-13 04:25:04

Also spotty so sorry for your dp and his grandmother, thinking of you.

fod a few weeks ago I would have totally agreed with the cat-nappy scenario. Now we have tongue sticking out games/grab mummy's glasses, which helps no end (although trousers on is still a chasing game - we have been known to tour the house in the course of getting dressed...)

Solidarity on sleep lazza - we can hold each other's hands. They need a wrinklky eyed emoticon on mn.. Forprolonging naps have you tried wrapping/slinging baby lazza? That's my surefire way to get an hour+ from O. and I can reach round him to draw grin

pidj I think you have something on the earlier bedtime- when O gets to bed by 7.30 he seems to sleepbbetter than if he's very tired after.

lazzaroo Thu 07-Nov-13 05:41:38

Up at 4.40, morning utopian! fed at 1am also. DH back tonight so am hoping we can come up with a plan of action to tackle early mornings! Even dd1 was up at 5.30 today....it's going to be another long one!

Re:naps, we never really got on with sling. Plus she will NOT give in to sleep with stuff going on around, just gets more & more overtired. So it has to be in her room when we're home really, espeially with dd1 around. I walk her round & then she goes in cot. It's getting harder though (not just because she is so heavy now!). I used to be able to re-settle her if she woke early (&grumpy!) but past few days it hasn't worked.

Argh not the best night. Dd wet the bed so ended up in with us the she wet the bed IN OUR BED! I thought it was me to start with blushshock I just don't understand. She only ever seems to do it when she's coming down with something but she's just got over slapped cheek!

I've got a friend who's moaning on fb that her 4.5 month old is only going 3.5 hours over night. It makes me angry he's a baby fgs it's what they do plus I never put ranty statuses on fb when ds woke two hourly until he was seven months plus she's weaning him when he can barely hold his head up (obviously I keep my opinions to myself hence the moan on here!)

WL the vtech toot toot cars are down to £9.98 smile

Congratulations Nutella, yy to photos!

Sorry to hear about DP's nan Spotty, is it his grandad's wife or from the other side?

Sorry about shite sleep Utopian and Lazza, glad your DP is coming home Lazza, hopefully you'll be able to come up with a plan. Every time I get to the end of my tether I consider cc Utopian and then I realise I'm way too soft and end up cuddling to sleep again.

DS had weed out of his nappy down his leg at 5am so I had to do a whole body change. Thankfully he went back down in my bed. We're getting loads more leaks now as I can't put the nappy on him properly and check it before he's off.

Ha I've got one of those on my fb Spotty. Her DS is 5 weeks and she was complaining that "bedtime" takes ages. Surely there's no such thing as "bedtime" at 5 weeks, they just feed and sleep all day and night. She's trying to get him on a Gina schedule and is putting him in his own room at night and expecting him to stay there.

<sits in hands>

PurplePidjin Thu 07-Nov-13 08:30:41

Nutella thanks

I cc'd, but if he was trying to sleep i stayed and held his hand. Actual howling means he needs something, shouting or moaning just means I Don't Want To. I don't push it if he's actually crying, i solve the problem

Daddy got first steps this morning envygringringrin

It's his nan on the other side (his last grandparent). I still have all my grandparents. Poor dp

MrsNutella Thu 07-Nov-13 08:41:56

Utopian & Lazza I'm still cuddling to sleep. We did try a bit of sleep training a few weeks ago and it seemed to pay off but then he got a horrible cold and we had the wedding so it was the route of least stress & most sleep!
Although DS has now settled into a sort of schedule, he wakes between midnight and about 2am and gets a small bottle and then wakes again between 4 & 5 ish and gets a second bottle. Often he sleeps until around 7. Sometimes he wakes around 6 and then we give him a third (or a bit of sneaky booby- while there is still a little something there) and he goes back off till 7/7:30. We can live definitely live with that at the moment.

Daytime naps - he usually has three x 30 minutes. Although the lunchtime one is sometimes longer he often still needs the late nap even if he slept for over an hour at lunch.

I will try and get a pic up on FB. Problem is the profi ones take 4-6 weeks to be ready... Will see what I can scrounge from friends profiles smile

MrsNutella Thu 07-Nov-13 09:02:36

Ok, pic is up on FB.

WLmum Thu 07-Nov-13 09:47:16

utopian glad you're feeling happier and have found a plan you can live with for now.
spotty thanks - I saw them last night so got the order in smile
pidj T regularly does 6/7 steps for DH but only 2/3 for me. Fair enough as dd1 walked for everyone except him and he was sad about being last to see. Shockingly I can't remember a thing about dd2 starting to walk (poor middle child!)
Beautiful pic mrs, you both look amazing, and the setting looks fab too.

lazzaroo Thu 07-Nov-13 10:01:01

Seriously now, does anyone understand my baby? Because she has become a mystery to me! She was up at 4.40am. Had 45 mins at 6.45am, so up again at 7.30am. Woke up screaming. Rubbing her eyes & yawning in car from pre-school to garage, but I though 'that's ok, we have a long walk home'. ONE HOUR later & we're home.....she is not asleep confused. So much for our catch up on sleep day. What the hell is going on?! Maybe it's something else making her whingey at home after all?! You'd think after 10months and second baby I'd be better at this by now sad

lazzaroo Thu 07-Nov-13 10:26:46

She has however just picked up my mobile phone, put it to her ear & muttered 'dada dada' smile. She can stay wink

Oh Lazza we all have those awful days. Sometimes they're utterly exhausted and yet they keep on and on. brew to you to keep you awake! Hope she's not too whingy.

DS on the other hand just did something amazing! We've been to the park as mummy was going out of her mind stuck inside for 5 days with a poorly baby and when we got back DS seemed happy enough in his pram. So I left him by the back door playing with the little plaits on his hat and he's only gone and self settled! He's asleep! I didn't have to rock/feed/cuddle him! In centuries to come villagers will write songs and rejoice when they remember this momentous day winkgrin

Equimum Thu 07-Nov-13 11:35:00

Congrarulations mrsNutella

Great stuff Willyou

Sorry about DPs Nan Spotty

DS doesn't really speak yet, but he seems to know when people are leaving and initiates waving (unless it's me who's leaving!). He also seems to use dada in context quite a bit.

We also have a wriggler and regularly do laps of the bedroom. I struggled for ages tiger his trousers on this morning. I then popped him in his travel cot while I got dressed, only for him to promptly remove said trousers and wave them at me shock. We'd also lost a sock before we left the house and a slipper by the time e arrived at nursery angry.

I feel your pain Equimum, DS has removed his silly little soft shoes 5 times today. I only got them as my mum kept saying how cold his feet would be in socks.

halestone Thu 07-Nov-13 14:39:48

Lazza sorry your having such a crap day after a crap nightthanks FX its getting better now.

Equimum, H waves at everyone leaving but me.

Utopian i'm glad you and DP have come up with a plan with your happy with.

We've just brought H's Birthday presents, a doll that goes in the bath and an activity table. Just got to buy her clothes now. I also brought her a walker for now so hopefully she'll leave my dad alone.

H has quite alot of words that she uses in the right context Hiya, dad, mum, nanna grandad, duck, dog, yes and no and she says tigs and tskk tsks when she see's cats. (Tigs is the neighbours cat that lets himself into our house alot, so now she thinks all cats are tigs)

halestone Thu 07-Nov-13 14:40:56

And yay to J for self settling, Willyou. I am very jealous i still rock to sleep with music.

WLmum Thu 07-Nov-13 14:58:04

Wow hales that's a lot of words! Think you're going to have a little chatterbox on your hands!

lazzaroo Thu 07-Nov-13 15:35:44

It has turned out to be a lovely day so far! Baby lazza eventually went down at 10.45am and slept for an hour & half. It makes such a difference. But I did nothing different so have ni way of controlling whether she'll sleep for 40mins or longer. So frustrating! We had lunch (she had lunch....I have just realised I didn't have anything! So all I've eaten today is 2 cakes blush) and then went out with friends. She's gone to sleep again in car in way home, so a much better day for naps.

Am now £300 worse off after paying for MOT & Service....better stay away from bargain thread tonight!

Impressive chatting hales

I am forever trying to find a pair of socks! I've got to the point where finding 2 that are vaguely similar is a success and will do the job!

PurplePidjin Thu 07-Nov-13 17:23:58

R wears tights

ISpyPlumPie Thu 07-Nov-13 17:54:28

Congratulations Mrs Nutella thanks

Yay to the walking Pidge and wow to all those words Hales

Sorry to hear about DP's nan Spotty sad

Glad you've agreed on a sleep plan Utopian and hope things improve for you soon Lazza. Well done to baby Willyou though - lets hope it catches on with his thread buddies!

N wears tights too. He kept pulling socks off and I could never find a matching pair either. Boots had a nice set of three pairs in navy and red, and they look just like socks when he's got trousers over them.

PurplePidjin Thu 07-Nov-13 18:00:32

99p in the 99p shop here wink

Maryland2013 Thu 07-Nov-13 19:18:11

Congrats mrs Nutella smile

Maryland2013 Thu 07-Nov-13 19:22:08

Wow Pidj walking ! smile
And Hales that is a LOT of words
Both v impressive.
DS just says dadda ALL the time, typical!! He just say mama too though and a funny sound at the cat which is always the same sound but not a real word IYSWIM.

hope those having sleep troubles get some respite soon..

Equimum Thu 07-Nov-13 19:22:23

Wow, Hales that's amazing!

fo little Pidge.

Keep meaning to buy some rights for DS. H&M do some really snazzy ones in boyish colours. They also sell felt slippers which cover the whole foot and secure with Velcro both sides - they take DS a while to get off wink.

Well, DS decided not to nap at nursery today and to only have a twenty nap this afternoon. He's just going down now, but I predict a foul night - fifty minutes sleep since 5.45am doesn't bode well!

Went to collect some of DSs presents today. We're doing a musical stocking with wooden maracas, castanets etc so I picked the remaining bits for that up. I then found TKMaxx had some great wooden toys in, so also got a stacking penguin and hammering bench. When I eventually got to Debwngams to collect what I'd ordered, it was in the most enormous bag confused and we were on the train!

these are a favourite in our house. Dd and ds both love them (thinking of birthdays etc)

lazzaroo Thu 07-Nov-13 21:06:01

That's good to know spotty, I ordered those a while ago for baby lazza's bday smile

FriendofDorothy Thu 07-Nov-13 22:25:24

I bought some of those from an NCT sale for £2. Bargain!

halestone Thu 07-Nov-13 23:19:01

Me and DP got an unexpected night to ourselves so went out for a meal and to the cinema. We watched Bad Grandpa we literally cried laughing. T'is very crude though but hilarious. I'm off now to enjoy a sleep which i'll wake naturally fromgrin

2blessed Fri 08-Nov-13 02:04:44

That looks great spotty

Yay to all the chatty and walking babies. R says dad and mum (when I'm not around). He is so cute and affectionate, I tend to use speaker phone so he can join in and he'll kiss the phone when I say ' say hello to granny'

Can't wait for 5pm! Work is ok, but best part of my day is picking up R. YHoping his diarrhoea has finally gone. Dr suggested removing dairy from his diet for a few weeks

utopian99 Fri 08-Nov-13 02:43:13

Hello and hurrah for R's steps pidj, and all the chatty babies. Despite tearing about like a mad thing these days O still has nothing I'd call words - lots of yaya/heya/baba etc but nothing else. He does have a very cute way of going 'hmm' to himself When examining something interesting though (like my hairbrush) hmm

We went to pick something up just before his normal supper/bed time and got a spectacular flat tyre so didn't get home till almost 9pm; the poor little man has therefore had only biscuits for supper as he was way too tired for anything but boob when we got back. Have just given him more as normally he doesn't go for milk in the night but I think today is a bit abnormal.

spotty I was thinking of those sound blocks - good to know they go down well. Also brio's magnetic stacking blocks, might treat the nursery to a lovely toy chest for christmas if I can find somerhing old to paint..

utopian99 Fri 08-Nov-13 02:46:08

Also your night out sounds great hales, my bro has offered baby sitting in a couple of weeks and we are very excited!

Lovely photo mrsnut! Looking forward to a few pro ones too when you get them - did mininut have a good day too?

We have clapping! grin

Barbeasty Fri 08-Nov-13 08:18:10

Welk done all the clever babies, and congratulations MrsNutella

When I put DD to bed last night she called me back so she could tell me something. She made me sit down, then whispered "Mummy, I want another Anthony."

Not happening! But I did tell her how happy it made me that she likes him enough to want another. And then we discussed where another one could go and that there weren't enough highchairs.

And the smile on A's face when he saw her this morning why were they both up at 5am was lovely. Long may it last!

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 10:13:47

That's lovely * beasty*. Dd1 wanted to give dd2 away to the pirates for such a long time but they both love T and I have had quite a few conversations with dd1 where she's said 'if we have another baby...' And I've said 'there won't be any more babies'! This has obviously led to an awkward line of questioning about how can I be sure there won't be anymore!

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 10:14:49

Torrential rain here so I'm just feeding T to a stupor then going to attempt a nap in her cot for just about the first time ever!

I'm off to ikea! I'm so excited after being in isolation with the sickly bambino for 6 days! Wahoo! I've even invited a baby group friend and we're making a day of it with a trip to a play barn place.

Congrats on the walkers, J's sti to scared to let go. He can stand unsupported and will let go though. Yay for clapping too spotty

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 12:03:57

Fab willyou so glad he's well enough to venture out.
T has been asleep for 1.5 hours so far! At this rate I'm going to have to wake her up for lunch before dd2s gym class.

MrsNutella Fri 08-Nov-13 14:29:36

Utopian mininut is a total people person (thank goodness) and was quite happy playing and being passed around for cuddles (mostly amongst my family who were all really excited to see him). Yes I'm really looking forward to some pro pics! But it'll be a little while yet.
We also had a photo booth, the results of which I can't wait to see!

Someone asked where we had the wedding - it was here in Germany. The venue was stunning and I'm so glad we chose it.

Spotty those blocks look really cool! I fancy getting something musical for DS I just hope it won't drive me insane

MrsNutella Fri 08-Nov-13 14:30:19

And thank you everyone for the congratulations!!!

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 19:34:06

Looks like we're heading into one nap a day territory. After. Lovely 2 hours late morning she hasn't been back to sleep. Has mostly been fine, bit whingey here and there and quite Velcro but that's quite normal. Challenge is going to be finding a good time slot to avoid preschool and school pick ups. Ah well at least being winter(ish) she'll be snuggled up in the pram with the rain cover on so might not get disturbed be preschool kicking out.

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 19:34:47

Mission for tonight is to knit the first mummy kangaroo a second back leg!

IsThatTrue Fri 08-Nov-13 20:17:55

Ds2 took his first steps today, 5/6 steps a few times. He was delighted with himself. Predictably he did it while DH is away in India sad

Congratulations on walking/clapping/talking babies.

And congratulations to mrsnutella and your DH! smile

We just went to a fireworks display and DS liked it for a while, then moaned on and off when the bangs were a bit loud. Thankfully we could go into the hall and get away from it while leaving the big kids to watch.

halestone Fri 08-Nov-13 22:32:27

Yay congratulations baby Isthatthanks

Also congratulations baby pidj thanks

WL i'm dreading H dropping a nap.

Willyou hope you had a lovely time at Ikea.

Utopian i hope you and DP enjoy your night out when your brother babysits.

H got dead excited today as my niece came home for a visit. When H is excited to see someone now she covers her mouth and cries. Its so cute.

halestone Fri 08-Nov-13 22:33:59

I forgot to say that beasty what your Dd said about A sounds lovely.

And spotty yay to clapping grin

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 22:46:28

Knitting mission accomplished!

Warning don't get slightly pissed and look at newborn baby pictures while snuggling your now big baby. May result in a small amount of tearing up!

My mum and dad have had J for a couple of hours. They got him to sleep at 11 (it's never any later than 8:30 for us), he's just got back up. Please god don't let this be the pattern for the night confused

Congrats on walking baby IsThat

Barbeasty Sat 09-Nov-13 07:21:40

Hope you got some sleep Willyou

A was wide awake just after 5, and I was downstairs with both DC just before 6.

My brother and his wife are coming this morning to see what they want from our baby stuff. Still haven't found the girl clothes (they haven't said what they're having).

A little thanks Beasty.

I'm having a rant here as if I don't I'll start an argument on fb. I've been going to the same baby group twice a week all year. They've organised a Christmas party and have put the details on fb yesterday saying that tickets will go on sale next week. A second message has gone on today saying that it's pretty much full now angry I asked WTF as obviously they said tickets would be on sale next week. And she said yes but some people have messaged me to say that they can't come to the sessions this week so I've reserved their tickets. So now there's hardly any left but these people are guaranteed one. Its really irritated me. Bastards!

I'm so cross. I've just had two complete nobs deliver my food shopping. They thought it was hilarious they were nearly an hour late and were so bloody rude.

Barbeasty Sat 09-Nov-13 17:21:20

Start your own rival Christmas party for those who can't get tickets!

DD chose her birthday and Christmas presents for Anthony today. A JoJo's jumper with a robin on it and some stickle bricks.

We're off to the fireworks later. See what A makes of them.

Oh and WillYou that's shit. Tell them you can't go either and can they reserve you some tickets. They should have told the other people that they can only reserve them once they've gone on sale ie after everyone who does go to the group that day has bought theirs

Barbeasty Sat 09-Nov-13 20:29:25

A loved the fireworks; DD still doesn't. It's funny how they're so different in things like this.

Beasty dd is too scared for fireworks as she hates loud noises so neither of them have ever even seen them!

WLmum Sat 09-Nov-13 20:36:15

spotty my big 2 have always been v scared of firework bangs and loud noises in general - this year I bought them some ear defenders (£7 from amazon) and they went to a dus

WLmum Sat 09-Nov-13 20:36:46

Doh - cold fingers! A display and loved it.

Excellent. I really want to take her. Also have the problem that ds can't stay awake past 6:30 dd's always been the same but I think she's getting better!

I'm tempted Beasty, especially as DS' birthdya is the 16th. I could just combine the 2.

DS' routine is all to cock. We left DS with my mum and dad last night and he only had 8h sleep all night then 4 hours of naps today. Now we can't get him into bed. And I've just been a twat and done exactly what I hate DP doing to me. I went in while he was doing bedtime and woke up DS just as he dropped off. In my defence DP always falls asleep doing bedtime except this time and I went to wake him and bring him down. blush

We have 2 more things to go to this month and I don't want to go now, it's not fair on DS and it's not fair on the babysitter. sad

DS hates loud noises, I didn't even try him with fireworks this year. Think I'll leave him a couple of years yet.

Barbeasty Sat 09-Nov-13 22:00:48

DD still hates things like the hoover, hairdryer and hand driers.

They put the music up really loud at this display, to drown out most of the bangs. But A was happy whatever.

He also likes the hoover etc.

Willyou someone for our playgroup has done a really nice Christmas party for a couple of years where every contributes a couple of pounds to cover the hire of the village hall, then it's bring & share party food. Someone dresses up as santa and you bring a wrapped present if you want them to get one. A few people bring some toys/music. It worked really well.

WLmum Sat 09-Nov-13 22:57:31

willyou that's outrageous! I'd be mega pissed off.

Beasty ds loves the Hoover! He tried to climb on it and lick it hmm

I have no idea why I'm awake....

Ds was just trying to comb his hair with my comb grin

ddas Sun 10-Nov-13 09:38:34

Aw dd tries but it's combing her head not hair as still pretty much hairless- that & her size makes her look like she's 6 months- very cute smile

willyou sounds all very cliquey- I'd be annoyed.

Dd terrified of the fireworks but ds loves them so us girls stayed at home.

Think I need to try and spend more quality time just ds & me. When we're together as a family a lot of the time it's dh running after ds & me dd as she's the baby. But now she getting older & doesn't need boob all the time think we need to mix it up a bit. Would be good for dh to bond more with dh too as she's really clingy with me (she gets very jealous if ds has a cuddle with me and tries to push him off- we'll have to nip that one in the bud!!)

Barbeasty Sun 10-Nov-13 11:15:50

ddas I know what you mean about the split. I've got another week off at the end of the month and I think I will ask MIL if she can have DS on his own for a day so I can spend a day with DD on her own.

A woke up at 2.30 am and started whinging. I looked around the bed and got confused that he wasn't there. Then I realised he was still in the cot & I'd had 4 hours sleep- best night in ages!

I've finished applying for DD's school place and filled in the supplementary forms. We've managed to have 3 out of our 4 choices which had them.

And the ham is cooked and dauphenoise potatoes are nearly ready. Yum.

ISpyPlumPie Sun 10-Nov-13 13:55:30

ddas - I've been trying to spend a bit more one to one time with DS1 as well. When N had one of his settling in sessions at nursery, we went out for lunch together and I've got tickets for us to go and see a panto in a few weeks. Much as he (generally) loves playing with N, I think he does appreciate having some special things just for him too.

Beasty - we've just got DS1's school application stuff (they do things more slowly here grin). We get three choices and all of ours will be C of E schools. The Vicar has filled in the supplemental form for the Church we attend, but I'm not sure how it works for the other two. Presumably we'd come under the category of 'regular worshipers at another Church' but would this be evidenced by the form we've already had filled in, or would they each need their own form completing confused. Hopefully it will all be academic as there's only a handful of children who regularly attend our Church, so DS1 should get a place but I really don't want to take it for granted. Best get researching....

lazzaroo Sun 10-Nov-13 18:01:00

We're doing school applications too! It's scary! And have been talking about getting baby lazza into nursery in the new year. My mum has her at the moment.

willyou I know what you mean about routines. I have gone out twice in 10 months & both times baby lazza has been awake when .I got home. Leaving me with the fallout & wondering if it's worth it!!

I'm not brave enough to post in AIBU but I'm a bit put out by the in- laws. They live a fair way away (3 hour drive) so we don't see them all that often. Dh is going up for a wedding next weekend (kids nt invited so I'm not going) & staying at theirs. He thought it might be nice for dd1 to go & spend some time with them. They said they can't because they have a quiz night that night so wouldn't be able to babysit confused

I've got to do school application too sob sob...my poor baby!

Ds is trying soooo hard to say dd's it's so cute!

Lazza I expect that is an excuse. Maybe they don't feel able to or don't want the responsibility. If I were you I would feel offended but I'm sure they have the best intentions smile

lazzaroo Sun 10-Nov-13 18:11:01

You're probably right spotty, but she's nearly 4 & really no trouble. I just get a bit sad because I know they wouldn't hesitate to babysit their 2 year old grandson.

Baby lazza is already in bed again. I tried to get her to have a late afternoon nap, but despite being whingey & me taking her for a long walk she wouldn't sleep. Naps have gone to shit! Help!

PurplePidjin Sun 10-Nov-13 18:38:51

Spotty I'd be fuming angry it winds me up when I'm shattered and my mum won't take him to the park for an hour so i can catch up on housework - she's 10 minutes up the road and we see her at least once a week. 3 hours away, sporadic contact and bias in favour of another grandchild just isn't cricket!

Lazza roll with it? 2 naps a day and a 6pm bed time gives you your evenings back wink I'm often in bed by 8

lazzaroo Sun 10-Nov-13 19:50:25

I'm trying to pidj, it's the 4.30/5am starts that I'm struggling with. I thought that if I could stop her being over-tired by bedtime it might help with the early starts. Bedtime is easy peasy & leaves me being able to have some time with dd1 before she goes to sleep. Guess we can't have it all!

WLmum Sun 10-Nov-13 20:05:50

lazza I'd be sad and cross too. My mil whilst on the whole is great and has the dds lots and has a fab relationship with them, never stays to dinner or to do their bath and bed as she 'has to get home to do fils tea'. He can't wait or microwave his own meal (pretty much all they eat is m&s ready meals!) once in a while?

I'm just pouring a large glass of wine. I was horrid mummy and shouted at dd2 for dropping yet another full cup of juice off the table (it feels like she drops a full cup/bowl etc off the table every day atm) and then at dd1 for going on and on and on about me opening the new ketchup whilst I was on my hands and knees under the table wiping up. Shouty mummy = 3 crying children and feelings of guilt. And they've been really good today. In my defense I was up a lot last night - dd1 once, dd2 twice and dd3 once.

WLmum Sun 10-Nov-13 20:11:40

In other news, T is now doing a passable 'quack' to add to her snort. That girl does love old macdonald!

Barbeasty Sun 10-Nov-13 20:45:20

That's sweet WL and it's incredibly easy to become shouty mum when they gang up like that!

We've got 2 Catholic schools, of which it will take a mistake somewhere for DD to not get in, and then the village school is CofE. The next village along is a community school. It's just all the forms! The council bit was easy by comparison.

And yes Spotty so young! Although she's keen to go already.

WLmum Sun 10-Nov-13 21:48:26

Yep I've done forms for dd2. Having done it once before doesn't make it any easier, I still cried when she started pre-school. I've applied for a place for dd1 at the junior school that's attached to the infant school that dd2 will most likely (bloody hopefully) will go to. She's been

WLmum Sun 10-Nov-13 21:49:05

On the waitlist for the infants for 3 years!

We will have no problems getting dd into our catchment school. It's a community one (and a forest school). There's never a problem with schools round here though and there's only CofE or community. Dd wants to go now too I'm really worried about it, what if someone's mean to her?!

ISpyPlumPie Mon 11-Nov-13 09:42:14

I can really empathise WL and I've only got two of them to deal with. DS1 is incapable of letting A Thing drop, and will keep making the same request in sn increasingly whiney voice at exactly the same time as N is screaming/heading towards something hazardous.

Have a teething boy who's also full of a cold sad

Just about to mske Ds1's cake ready for his birthday tomorrow. Can't believe it's 4 years today since I was sat in the hospital deciding whether to agree to eviction proceedings!

FriendofDorothy Mon 11-Nov-13 10:49:04

I am back at work today. It's going ok, so far.

Rather typically though I noticed that The Little Mister has spots all over his bum and on his hands. He has either got chicken pox, or hand, foot and mouth. Terrible timing. I have been off work for 6 weeks and he comes down with is now! Fortunately the childminder is happy to take him anyway.

halestone Mon 11-Nov-13 10:51:32

Willyou, i hope you've sorted tickets to the christmas party now, but if you haven't i would be tempted to go with Beasty's idea of throwing a rival party.

Lazza, could you ask your IL's if they feel nervous about having DD. They maybe scared of doing something wrong.

Good luck everyone with the school applications.

Ispy i hope DS's cake turns out nice.

In other news H fell asleep at 10pm last night and only woke up at 9:25 this morning grin. She did get fidgety about 5am so i changed her nappy while she was asleep, and the fidgeting stopped.

halestone Mon 11-Nov-13 10:52:48

Oh FoD i hope DS is ok and that your first day back goes wellthanks

halestone Mon 11-Nov-13 10:53:11

Oh FoD i hope DS is ok and that your first day back goes wellthanks

Fod chicken pox usually starts on the torso I think. Poor ds there's a lot of h,f & m round at the moment.

Hope works going ok smile

Barbeasty Mon 11-Nov-13 11:42:51

Oh FoD they know how to time it, don't they.

A has surpassed himself in the disgusting stakes today. I thought he was chewing on tumble dryer fluff or something. But no, it was a snail. Vile child!

And then he purposely tipped DD's glass of water onto the floor.

Ah well, he can always eat some playdoh at playgroup. ...

halestone Mon 11-Nov-13 11:58:07

Hahaha Beasty that has made me gigglegrin

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Nov-13 12:26:13

Scrambled egg with spinach on onion bagel is a healthy lunch right? The 12 month growth spurt is upon us with accompanying night wakings <yawn>

MrsNutella Mon 11-Nov-13 12:30:32

Fod poor little mister! Hope he's ok. And I hope that being back at work is going well.

beasty eeeeewwww gross! I have to ask; where did he get the snail?

School applications all sound very scary... And so far off. I'm sure it will all happen all too soon though.

I'm a bit worried about tiny man. He isn't eating terribly well, breakfast was mostly refused and linch has been four slices of bread and butter (baguette size slice), because he won't eat anything else. Also he has (sorry TMI) slightly white/pale poo... I'm debating taking him to the dr. Although they don't open again until 15:00 (12:00 -15:00 lunch break anyone?!)... He is usual cheeky self otherwise.

Barbeasty Mon 11-Nov-13 12:56:40

He was fiddling with the cat flap between the kitchen and the conservatory, and it must have made it into the conservatory somehow (we don't have cats, but the previous owners did).

He just stole some chocolate that DD left lying around. Maybe that will teach her....

WLmum Mon 11-Nov-13 13:15:27

I did apologise to them at bedtime and explained why I was cross.
spotty I really worried about dd1 as she always came off badly at toddler groups etc and she's so very sensitive ans i dont particularly like the school shes at but touch wood so far so good.

halestone Mon 11-Nov-13 14:30:40

Nutella i would probably take him the drs about his poo and if you think his appetite is off.

WL my mum use to apologise to us of a night and explain why she got upset when we were younger. I think it always worked out well plus i have a great relationship with my mum now.

lazzaroo Mon 11-Nov-13 18:01:54

Bloody he'll, just lost massive post! Try again...

beasty that's gross & probably would have made me throw up!

fod how's your little one? And you nutella? did you go to doctors?

hales, I did suggest to dh that we(he!) talk to them about it but he says he doesn't want them to feel obligated. And if they really would just prefer to go to the quiz nigh & it's not just an excuse, it'd be pretty awkward. I'm just glad we asked before mentioning it to DD.

He's just punched me in the eye again! Never have I come so fucking close to losing it. I am calm now but I had a moment of scary pure rage at how hard he was fighting despite being utterly exhausted sad

WLmum Mon 11-Nov-13 21:24:08

Thanks hales that's great to know. I've still been feeling a bit guilty today though - dd2 is only 3 and I'm a grown up (supposedly).
beasty good to know T has a yuk rival. Just like A she likes to play with the toilet brush and nappy buckets, as well as slugs. Found her with the top of a tin can she'd lifted from the recycling bin yesterday.
fod hope work is ok and the lo is feeling ok. Dd2 had h,f&m last year and wasn't that poorly.
willyou you need to start establishing some fight club rules!

WLmum Mon 11-Nov-13 22:34:50

Poor buba T is suffering with teeth. Have just administered nurofen and now boob.

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 00:05:54

H has finally just gone down, her sleep is so hit and miss and there is absolutely no routine to it.

Willyou i hope your eye is ok, could you invest in some goggles for protection haha.

WL i hope T isn't too troubled by her teeth.

Ds has a sick bug. Four times in 35 minutes sad

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 00:35:59

Spotty i hope he's ok thanks and that you are as well.

He's been up being sick all night. I've had a few hours sleep in dd's bed blush he's happy in himself when he isn't being sick. I've got to go to work now hmm

Barbeasty Tue 12-Nov-13 08:05:40

Oh poor baby spotty.

A wouldn't go to sleep yesterday. I was breastfeeding him when DH brought my dinner in (bless him, he'd cut it up for me). A sat up and started trying to take my food. I had to keep giving him fork fulls of potato to keep him away from the rest!

He's got a really horrible cough and cold now though, so I'm just waiting to catch it and need more medication! So long as it's before my maternity exemption expires .....

FriendofDorothy Tue 12-Nov-13 08:46:50

The Little Mister is ok, doesn't seem very poorly other than being a bit spotty. I am pretty sure he has H, F & M. The beneftis of him going to a childminder not a nursery are that she will still take him. Phew!

Oh sorry about the poor poorly babies FoD, spotty, Beasty and WL. I hope they feel better soon. I hope the work days aren't too hard for you either.

poor you Hales, I used to hate it when DS went down really late. I never got anything done.

J has still got his nasty cough. It's inly really bad at night but when it starts it makes him whoop. I shit myself at first thinking it was whooping cough but I think it's just a bad cough.

I have another scratch on my eyeball. Does anyone know of a boarding school that will take a 10 month old? wink

jackandjilly Tue 12-Nov-13 09:32:22

Oh no, sorry to hear of poorly babies. J has a cold and sick bug too. He puked in my freshly washed hair last nightconfused I'm off work with him today. Fx they all get better soon.

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 11:41:10

Wow theres alot of poorly babies at the moment i hope their all ok. And that all you mums are also ok.thanks And wine to you all.

Willyou everytime i get her sleep sorted a spanner is thrown into the works. Like at the moment she has been in our bed for about a month which means i go to bed when she does. Or if DP is hone its a very uncomfy night. I think i'm going to leave it for now as we go to Centre Parcs soon so i'll try and change it after that.

Happy Birthday to your oldest DS Ispygrinthanks. Hope the cake is lovely.

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 14:03:03

Arghhh today is very much a cake and chocolate day H won't stop crying or whining.

Also seeing the news about paying women to breastfeed has made me angry

Nice Jack, DS did that to me last week. The glamourous life of a mother!

You know what mn says about Centre Parcs Hales grin. Are you going for a Santa visit or will it not be on at the one you're going to?

I've also had to stop reading the AIBU thread about it Hales as it annoyed me too much.

Happy birthday to DS1 ISpy I am here for you if you need to dispose of some cake!

My boobs have filled up, they were a little bit empty before but feel engorged (I havent bf for >9 months now). Tis very odd.

Ds hasn't been sick again but has had two bouts of diarrhoea. He's slept lots today and is still really tired but his happy self!

Sorry to hear of other poorly babies

PurplePidjin Tue 12-Nov-13 17:06:39

brew and cake for mummies of poorly babies

R is cutting molars, his poos are vile and he's up at 4:45 in the morning but his naps are epic (for him)!

I bought bits for his birthday cake one of them today hmm

ISpyPlumPie Tue 12-Nov-13 18:27:00

thanks for all the poorly babies. I took my poorly little chap to the doctors this morning as he was sounding wheezy and had a temp of 38.9 overnight. His chest and throat are clear so it's a virus combined with teething. We've just got to carry on calpoling. He's not too bad in himself in the daytime at least.

Thanks for the birthday wishes for DS1. He's had a brilliant day playing with all his new toys and we had family round for birthday tea (soft play party on Saturday - eek!). As requested I made a purple firebreathing dragon cake (don't ask) but I thought using a chef's blow torch for the flames mightvbe a bit high risk so we comprised with candles.

Maryland2013 Tue 12-Nov-13 18:35:01

Wow everyone is poorly... Hope all babies get better soon.

Willyou we've been given an inhaler today for DSs cough.. He was definitely wheezing after his (2 hour) coughing fit last night. The coughing is horrific but viral apparently.

What's the debate is AIBU? Is it £200 they're paying people to breast feed? Obviously it's everyone's choice but bribery?! Is that the way to go? Hmmm..

I am dreading molars, people keep warning me about them sad

WLmum Tue 12-Nov-13 21:02:39

So sorry for all the poorly babies and mummies.

I'm having a not enough hours in the day/week day. I've been feeling a bit stressed/frustrated but am now remembering the Philippines and actually my life is sweet. Read a story in the metro about a young woman who swum to a wrecked airport to give birth. Texting metro to 70000 donates £5.

BopsX3 Tue 12-Nov-13 21:08:53

Hi everyone, sorry I've been MIA for a while.

How's everyone doing? I've read there's a few poorly babies sad hope they all get better soon!

Everything still pretty much the same here. Oliver still isn't walking or crawling confused he isn't even pulling himself up or going from lying to sitting and visa versa. He's extremely lazy!

Has anyone made birthday plans yet? I think ill just be going for a meal with my family, hopefully somewhere with a soft play area or such like for the DSs

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 22:07:02

Willyou i have just read what mn says about centre parcs haha that won't be happening. I have booked the sleigh ride and santa visit though, i can't wait.

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 22:12:45

Sorry i forgot what else i was going to typeblush

Maryland basically a university are trialling giving mothers £200 in shopping vouchers if they continue to bf for 6 months. My personal view is that money could better be spent on education about bf in schools so that it becomes more acceptable to a new generation and also could be better spent supporting mothers who have a difficult time. The AIBU thread seems split about it though.

Hi Bopgrin you just obviously have a very chilled laid back boy. For H's first birthday we're just seeing family really and i may make a cake. and hope no one gets food poisoning

PurplePidjin Tue 12-Nov-13 22:23:13

R's birthday is next Tuesday

WLmum Tue 12-Nov-13 22:33:24

We've just had to decline an invitation to Ts special birthday twin - next to each other in hospital, same bday, same name! As it clashes with dd1&2s swimming lessons and DH is working so I have to take them and be in the water with dd2. Such a shame.

I need to sleep but am seriously irritated by this Christmas party situation! I saw the woman and explained that my friend (who I go with) is working that week and can only do the original day. She told me oh don't worry I've saved her a ticket, I just love little XX and would hate for him to miss out.

So now I'm even more annoyed on J's behalf that she obviously doesn't give a fuck if we miss out.

I've sent her a cheeky message asking if she's also saved me one as I'll be paying for friend's little boy too. But no reply. Tickets go on sale tomorrow. I have a feeling there's going to be fireworks.

J and I are in the spare bed. He keeps coughing himself awake in his cot.

jackandjilly Wed 13-Nov-13 08:50:43

Willyou I am enraged on your behalfangry she sounds lovely!!!!

halestone Wed 13-Nov-13 11:00:33

Willyou, thats disgusting, i hope you've managed to sort it out today.

Also i hope the poorly babies are better today.

PurplePidjin Wed 13-Nov-13 13:18:30

WillYou, that's outrageous angry

The advantage to molars is the epic napping. Managed to get R off my back into the car seat, home then upstairs out of his coat and shoes for another half hour in his cot shock

Ds slept for 2.5 hours earlier and only woke up as I was checking on him (stupid noisy door!) he's currently having fun with an empty wrapping paper roll, he's so cuddly atm.

WillYou let us know what happens, I hate cliquey things like that angry

halestone Wed 13-Nov-13 13:47:25

Molars are not equalling epic napping here Pidj we had an awful time with them. Therefore i am very envy of you, although her other teeth where easy and did equal epic napping its all swings and roundabouts i suppose.

Spotty yay to that napgrin

I have currently been trying to get H to have a nap for over an hour. I hate when they fight their sleep! She can barely keep her eyes open yet she can scream and also headbutt and pinch me grrr! Typical shes like this on one of the days my dad is actually well enough to be out of bed. I have made her some more herbal tea hopefully she'll fall asleep now!

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 13:55:44

No sign of molars here yet, but I'm looking forward to the epic napping... grin Oliver only has about 45 mins in the afternoon at the moment but he sleeps well at night so I can't complain really.

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 13:57:18

Willyou I haven't caught up with the tread yet so don't know the full story, but it sounds as though that woman's a bitch!

Ds only has two teeth! Still on two naps a day too...(sorry!)

Barbeasty Wed 13-Nov-13 14:27:29

4 teeth, random naps!

Another late night last night, but he fell asleep just before dinner.

When I came out of the bathroom this morning DD was waiting by the door and said there was a strange noise in the lounge. She wouldn't let me go and check in case it was a monster. Bless.

Oh yesterday dd said 'mummy, that frigging gate hurt my arm again' blushdon't know where she gets it from hmm

Got it sorted! Allegedly she'd reserved me a ticket. Only thing was she couldn't find it and then the tcket she gave me had someone else's name on. hmm Then again my friend's one also had someone else's name on!

What a shambles WillYou!

Dd now has sickness bug. She was sick all down herself and car seat. I had to pull over to clean her up and it got on my uggs angry I didn't have any wipes or even a muslin!

Maryland2013 Wed 13-Nov-13 16:00:05

Talc on the uggs Spotty to soak it up then brush it off tomorrow with suede/ sheepskin brush! Don't wipe them!

Luckily it was just one lump (sorry!) but that's a great tip thanks! She's just been sick again but we managed to get it in the bowl. Ds tried to inspect it and I only just managed to stop him putting his hand in it! Eugh I can't handle sick!

Oh no now dp has got it! There's no hope for me is there??

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 16:26:05

Spotty DS2 has been off school today with vomiting, as have 6 other children just in his class confused. I was up 4 times in the night with him and he threw up all over Oliver at tea time yesterday and all over me at dinner time today hmm confused shock. Hoping he'll be ok tomorrow though and it's just a 24hr thing (fingers crossed). But I can see it passing on to me, Oliver and/or DS1 too sad

With ds it was sickness over night then diarrhoea the next day but fine after that so I'm thinking just 24 hours? I know there's lots going round sad

Posted too soon....

Your poor ds2 it's really not nice for them but worse for you as you had to clear it all up wink

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 17:18:36

Eurgh its awful isn't it spotty confused I can't stand it. I was almost throwing up myself before when I was trying to take my top off (which DS2 had just vommed all over). Then it ended up in my hair and everything. Don't think I've ever run for the shower as fast before in my life haha grin

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 17:19:16

Sorry, that's probably TMI! Haha

PurplePidjin Wed 13-Nov-13 17:26:56

We're normally 2x40 minute naps at 10:30 and 1:30ish, today has been 1x90 minute and it's showing - dp's home early on time and is fighting a shouty baby into his pyjamas sad i wish these teeth would just hurry up and cut sad

Ds usually has two 90 minute naps but often one of them is more two hours.

Dd's still being sick dp is in bed. I'm really hoping I don't get it. Anyone with older dc what were they like first time they had diarrhoea, is it going to be as bad as I think?

I've got it now!

Maryland2013 Wed 13-Nov-13 19:41:51

Oh no spotty sad

WLmum Wed 13-Nov-13 19:55:50

Oh no spotty. Diarrhoea in 3 year olds isn't great. Keep a potty in her room so she can hop on quick if she gets enough warning. Tbh my big 2 only had it rarely and I don't think it was ever much not on the loo.

I can see Ts 2 top front teeth about to cut (that will make a grand total of 4). Naps are mostly 2 per day with one about 30 mins and one an hour + but I think we're slowly moving over to one as she can stay awake beautifully most of the morning if there's something exciting going on.

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 20:21:12

Spotty, only tip I have really is to make sure they're wearing pants that are easy to remove, ie- no buttons, zips etc. grin

I wish Oliver would sleep more during the day sad I feel as though I don't get any time to myself at the moment as I tend to catch up on housework when the boys are In bed. With him only sleeping about 45 mins ish in the afternoon I get chance to have a brew in peace then maybe a quick tidy up downstairs then he's awake again.

Oh poor Spotty household, I hope it's quick and mild for you all.

Pidj can you post your biscuit recipe again please?

ISpyPlumPie Wed 13-Nov-13 21:21:31

Spotty hope you all recover quickly. Also hope everyone in the Bops household is ok now too.

We are transitioning from two naps a day to one. I don't think it's always advisable for him to drop his morning nap tbh, but he won't be told grin.

Today was the first time I felt properly guilty about going back to work since having N. I was terrible last time round, but this time I just accept that we can't really afford for me not to work and also that I shouldn't feel bad about trying to preserve a career. This morning he was being super clingy though due to his cold and teething, and was so upset when I left him. He's actually been fine all day but I just felt so bad. I know I wouldn't have a job for long if I took a day off every time he had a cold, and that when he's well I actually think he benefits from spending some time at nursery but it is hard leaving him like that sad

Maryland2013 Wed 13-Nov-13 21:35:08

For those of you with older DCs when do they normally change from multiple naps to one long (ish) one? My friends baby is nearly 15 mths and has to be woken up from a 3 hour nap from 10am ish

Bops how does that sound?!

I'm trying to get the nursery to enforce 2 naps but there's so much going on I think he would do better with one around lunchtime rather than half an hr am and total refusal PM!

Maryland2013 Wed 13-Nov-13 21:39:17

Oh Ispy you shouldn't beat yourself up! As parents we have to make difficult decisions and although I'd love to stay home it's just not financially viable so we have to do what we have to do. I feel bad too but I'd feel worse if we lived in a tiny house with no room in a not very nice area with crappy schools just so I can stay home.
You're providing smile that's a good mum!
And yes think of the benefits of nursery aside from the work thing... Sometimes I think DS has much more fun at nursery with all the activities going on - I can't compete with all that!

ISpyPlumPie Wed 13-Nov-13 23:34:40

Thanks Maryland. I should know by now that feeling guilty comes with the territory.

Not sure about naps. Really can't remember with DS1. Think it was around the time he turned 1 but can't be certain. Not very helpful sorry!

WLmum Wed 13-Nov-13 23:44:51

I think you feel a certain amount of guilt whatever decisions you make/situation you are in - yep ispy goes with the territory. Our babies are loved and cared for and at the centre of our worlds - nothing to feel guilty about really!

hales sorry to hear your dad is still so poorly - for some reason I thought he'd had an op and was rather better.

WLmum Wed 13-Nov-13 23:45:24

Sorry posted too soon - hope he/you are ok.

WLmum Wed 13-Nov-13 23:47:05

I think you have to judge the dropping a nap according to the child - I know some babies who stopped napping altogether at 1 and other who still had a couple of hours at 4!

Mine's down to 1 nap already. He had had 1 2 hour afternoon nap since he turned 9 months.

A nap in the morning can be forced of we desperately need to do something during his usual nap time but it'll only be 40 mins, there will be no 2nd nap and 5-7pm is horrific! grin

DP promised to do the late night feed, and yet here I am.

Well dd stopped being sick about midnight and dp wasn't sick again. I was every 1-2 hours from 8pm until 5am. My kidneys really hurt too. First sick bug in about eight years!

jackandjilly Thu 14-Nov-13 07:57:50

Oh no spottyhmm

My dd and dh have it now too. Dd came running in at 4.30 having been sick in her room and mine! She woke up ds too. Looks like its me next.

Pre sick bug we are on two naps. 30-40 mins around 9 and 1hour+ after lunch.

PurplePidjin Thu 14-Nov-13 08:27:16

1/2 cup cereal
1/2 cup apple juice
3/4 cup plain flour
1/4 tsp ginger

Mix, roll, cut into small shapes. I need to investigate cooking times and temperatures, high+fast gives chewy biccies i think low+slow might give crunchy ones?

Oh poor them jacksad I've just been sick again. Need to decide about work tomorrow really....

Barbeasty Thu 14-Nov-13 08:28:17

Oh no. Hope you're all better soon.

A was awake until about 22.30 last night. He was happy, just not sleeping.

He seems to have one big nap at about 11.30/12, but fell asleep in the car on the way home from nursery. And I let him so I could put DD to bed. Lesson learnt until next time

We got the CD of nursery photos yesterday, and saw the swimming ones and have ordered the CD of those too. Really lovely, so just need to get the frames to give them as Christmas presents.

BopsX3 Thu 14-Nov-13 09:24:10

DS2 is fine now and is back in school so it was only a 24 hour thing. Hope I don't catch it confused it's awful when I'm ill because I'm a single parent, I still have to do everything I normally would no matter how I feel sad hope everyone feels better soon x

jackandjilly Thu 14-Nov-13 10:41:13

I wouldn't go in spotty. Hope you feel better soon.

Fx you don't catch it bops. I hope I miss out toosmile

Well we have all been to bed for an hour. Woke up to find my friend had left a leap frog table outside for ds. That should keep him out of the sick bowls!!! grin

Poor poorly babies and mummies. If I were you Spotty id ring in sick, especially with it being a HCP setting.

Thanks Pidj, I shall try them out. I'm off to aldi later so will get some baby cereal.

Jamie has just farted and pooed all over his clothes. It (and this is major TMI) smells like teething poo, but I'm not sure if stomach bug poo would smell the same? His nose is streaming and he's discovered that he can suck snot off his top lip. Babies ming!

While discussing poo I have a question, MiL told me last week that Jamie is constipated as his poo isn't runny any more. But he's on 3 meals and 2 snacks per day now and only 2-3 bottles. Surely his poo will be increasingly solid as he's eating solids?

jackandjilly Thu 14-Nov-13 10:41:52

Post a swimming pic on fb barbeasty!

Barbeasty Thu 14-Nov-13 11:10:19

I'll put a picture up when we get the swimming ones. I can only see the proofs online with "sample" all across them.

But (I think) I've linked to our swimming company's fb page, which has DD as their cover photo at the moment.

WLmum Thu 14-Nov-13 11:21:56

willyou his poo will likely smell the same ish as the smell is caused by it moving too fast through his system. Ts poo has been solid or semi solid for ages now depending on any given days ratio of food to milk. He's only constipated if he's having trouble going or the stool is really hard.

T decided 4.45 was morning today. Alright for her having a 2 hour nap this morning. I didn't get to bed til 12 then a feed at 2.30. May be a bit done in by tea time - and I'm making something new so they'll probably all complain but its time to expand the family tee menu'

WLmum Thu 14-Nov-13 11:25:28

pidj those biscuits sound fab - think I'll give them a try with porridge oats. What sort of cereal do you use?

Equimum Thu 14-Nov-13 11:49:13

Sorry for all the poorly mummies, babies etc. these bugs sound horrible!

Willyou Wen I was driving last week, DS sneezed twice and I could see streaks of snot in the mirror. Next thing, he was suckin gthem into mouth and licking his top lip. I felt quite positively sick! On another note, DSs poo is definitely quite solid now he's eating lots of food. He doesn't appear to be straining excessively and they're not like rocks, so I was assuming that was normal.

BopsX3 Thu 14-Nov-13 11:58:22

Willyou I was told a while ago with one of my older DSs that they're constipated if its coming out like rabbit poo. Small pellet type things haha sorry tmi. Hope this helps in some way. Not sure if they're still giving that advice or not though

Willyou when ds isn't ill it teething he has solid poo and I put it down the toilet.

Starting to feel slightly better but struggling with the diabetes. Phoned in sick and good job as my poor step mum has it now. I feel awful.

Is it cruel that we've given ds a bottle and only some grapes and an oatie bar for lunch? The thought of food is just too much blush

jackandjilly Thu 14-Nov-13 13:59:33

Spotty that's good by my standards and I'm not even ill!! Ds has had skips and boob so far!

halestone Thu 14-Nov-13 16:49:41

Sorry about all the sickness and diarrhoea, i hope everyone is feeling better soon.

H has done rabbit dropping poo for ages she has 2-3 poos a day though i just assumed this was normal. I am wrong and she is in fact constipated she doesn't seem to strain to get it out but i can tell when shes having a poo.

WL my dad is mostly better he's in remission from his kidney disease but they wouldn't let him have heart surgery due to them thinking that it probably won't help him. Someone elses dad had heart surgery on this thread though. He just isn't very mobile and struggles because of joint problems. He is like a walking sick note everything that can has gone wrong in him.

I'm still being sick every hour. Green bile (sorry tmi) does anyone have any advice? Everyone was fine after a few hours but I'm nearing on 24 sad

PurplePidjin Thu 14-Nov-13 17:38:18

I used ground rice today, just whatever's in the cupboard! Los+slow+not too thin, today's batch are a bit crispy (30 mins @ 150*)

PurplePidjin Thu 14-Nov-13 17:39:49
halestone Thu 14-Nov-13 17:43:34

Just make sure you keep hydrated spotty plenty of water or even flat lemonade. I hope your feeling better soonthanks

Maryland2013 Thu 14-Nov-13 18:14:22

I second flat lemonade it really does help. I hate sickness bugs I had a 24 hr one last week- hope you're all better soon.

DS poo is solid too now really. I was told that constipation = rabbit droppings poos so if we have this I up his water and sometimes give diluted orange juice and it sorts it out straight away. I think it would be more of an issue NOT to have solid poo now with all their food??

WLmum Thu 14-Nov-13 20:26:09

I would have thought so too maryland
spotty you poor thing. If you can bear it a few spoons of plain boiled rice and apple purée - the brat (bananas, rice, apple and ??) is recommended by Gps. Dioralyte is excellent for rehydration - a syringe full every 10 mins, then if you're not sick for an hour up it to every 5 mins.

lazzaroo Thu 14-Nov-13 21:04:41

Sorry to read of so much sickness, hope everyone feeling better soon.

I think the 't' might be toast!

WLmum Thu 14-Nov-13 21:25:25

That's what sprung to mind lazza but I wasn't sure. I'm busy procrastinating. Really need to get on!

WLmum Thu 14-Nov-13 23:41:13

T seems decidedly snotty. Boo

Enormous teething poo at 4am, every mother's dream! I now have a totally wide awake baby screaming with laughter and DP has to be up in under an hour hmm. Take pity on me J, please?

Hmm no such luck, he's just done another sickly smelling poo. Today I will mostly be sleeping when he sleeps and will not be going to swimtots as planned!

Sob another poo! My poor baby. please let it be teething so I don't get it too

ddas Fri 15-Nov-13 06:00:48

Wish dd would learn to sleep past 5.30! So tired- think need to accept she's going to always wake up early and go to bed early myself.
Honey saw your scan fb picture- guess 12 wk scan? Glad all well. Can't remember who else was due in may- stacks & seconds?? If you're still reading the thread hope all's well.

ddas Fri 15-Nov-13 06:04:07

Oh no so willyou . So much d&v going round. Hope everyone else with sickness is getting better. spotty you were saying you're still being sick- maybe now diabetes related? Guessing you're keeping an eye on your sugars.

jackandjilly Fri 15-Nov-13 07:10:05

Now it's my turnhmm

Barbeasty Fri 15-Nov-13 07:29:38

Hope all this sickness clears up quickly and doesn't come my way

We've got colds and coughs instead.

I'm shattered, but at least it's Friday. I'm just hoping my site visit finishes in good time and that I get an early finish.

I need to get an anniversary card for DH, it's 11 years tomorrow. Must not forget! I bought the present yesterday. At least it's his turn to take me out for dinner this year.

PurplePidjin Fri 15-Nov-13 08:01:08

We had one at 4:15 WillYou he eventually went back to sleep at 5:30 and is still slumbering my birthday lie in hmm

Solidarity with the early pooers! He was up 4-7 pooing copiously and then I wrestled him back to sleep until 10. Even though we were up for those 3 hours in the middle, 10am feels lile an awesome lie in.

There's just been yet another squelch in the nappy region. I may throw him straight under the shower as his bum looks a bit sore.

Get well soon Jack. How are you today Spotty?

Barbeasty Fri 15-Nov-13 10:30:31

A hasn't pooed for a couple of days (definitely not Wednesday or Thursday) so I'm hoping he'll do it for granny today.

On the train on my way back now. So fingers crossed I'll get my early finish. Just so long as those pesky trains run to time ....

Oh no jacks. I'm starting to get there not been sick since four. I felt so ill last night I nearly begged to go to hospital so they could take care of the diabetes and I could just concentrate on feeling better. Having high sugar levels just makes it worse. Now i have awful heartburn!

Sorry for me me me I have read your posts just not really with it. Dc slept until 7:30....

Happy birthday Pidj wine and cake for you!

Hope you get an early finish Beasty

It must make it so much worse Spotty, hope you feel better soon

halestone Fri 15-Nov-13 11:26:30

Happy Birthday Pidjthankswine

Hope your feeling better soon Spotty and JackandJilly. Willyou i hope J is ok. And WL i hope T is ok.

FX for that early finish Beasty.

Utopian i can't remember seeing your name for the last few days hope your ok and that DS's sleep is getting better.

WLmum Fri 15-Nov-13 16:04:16

Happiest of birthdays pidj!

DS has just panned out in the car for the first nap of the day. He may be staying up watching a bit of children in need with me I feel!

PurplePidjin Fri 15-Nov-13 17:57:40

Thank you thanks

R is in fitteds with wool trousers over to air his nappy rash out, it's working too grin he looks like a tiny hippy!

ISpyPlumPie Fri 15-Nov-13 19:40:57

Many happy returns Pidge thanks.

Get well soon Spotty and Jacks

Hope LOs are ok Willyou and WL.

We're hopefully coming out of the other side of colds here, fx it's the same for you soon Beasty.

DP's putting J to bed. DS has now been screaming crying for over an hour without a break. I went up to see if he needed a break and he waved me away looking annoyed but honestly I cannot listen to this any more. It sounds like he's going to be sick he's that upset. I don't know what he's doing but it's clearly not working. If I go he'll think I'm just undermining him but I have to go and do something. sad

TheDetective Fri 15-Nov-13 20:58:40

<Runs in to fred, gives Fandango a wedgie and runs back out to November babies>



PurplePidjin Fri 15-Nov-13 21:18:08

Wtf are you doing trespassing in here Det <stern glare>

You'll have a job Detective, I'm in bed in my enormous jamas. You'll have to pull them an awful long way to wedgie me. I don't know if I mentioned it, but I'm KNACKERED!

She's a wrongun that Detective, I'd advise you all to stay far far away from her! grin

I've cuddled the bambino to sleep, now to brave DP's very weak wrath!

TheDetective Fri 15-Nov-13 21:38:27

You might have mentioned it once 15 times I can't seem to remember...!

Go the fuck to sleep then! grin

<Runs back out before pidj gets confused over freds* grin

For those who are confused, Det and I went to soft play today and I am now exhausted!

WLmum Fri 15-Nov-13 21:51:01

willyou I'm a serial giver of hands! Occaisionally DH has got the hump but at the end of the day we both know I'm just better at it!! Haha, actually because of his shift work they don't get any consistency with him so of course it works better for me.
T was a rotter to settle so am expecting a bed guest later - I'll try to resist but am v tired after a week of v late nights/disturbed nights/early mornings (a winning combination) so resolve will be weak. Poor little snot monster.
Poor baby pidjs bottom. Air and metanium are the key.

I'm off on a bike ride through the woods with a good pal tomorrow am. First time I've been on my bike since before being pg with T and pal is super fit cycle to work kinda gal.

WLmum Sat 16-Nov-13 06:25:33

No overnight chat? Hope that means everyone was sleeping rather than busy being poorly/seeing to poorly babies.
T did much better than I expected, just one wake and feed at 2.30 then up at 6.10 - normally I'd bring her into out bed for half an hour but she's so snotty I didn't want her to be so flat so up we are.

Ha if only WL. DP did the night feed but DS was having none of it and wouldn't go back to sleep for him. I had to get up, change him out of his wet clothes (he keeps drinking so much in the night that his nappy leaks) and give him calpol at 4:30. Yawn!

PurplePidjin Sat 16-Nov-13 08:16:16

R slept 6-5, and the rash is almost gone now. He's a big fan of his longies though, not sure if he'll be happy to go back to jeans!

PurplePidjin Sat 16-Nov-13 18:09:34


WLmum Sat 16-Nov-13 20:26:40

Where is everyone?

WLmum Sat 16-Nov-13 20:31:52

We went to a birthday party this arvo and T fell asleep on the way home so I'm now trying desperately to get her to go to bed.

Barbeasty Sat 16-Nov-13 21:08:00

We were in Oxford with all DC's cousins all afternoon. Manic, but both DC enjoyed it. A enjoyed joining in with the pass the parcel.

Then we went out for dinner for our anniversary. Just back, and A was straight at me for milk.

Hopefully he'll go off soon and I'll get a good night. maybe the wine I drank will help

FriendofDorothy Sat 16-Nov-13 21:13:25

I am here, just having a really grumpy, sad day sad

PurplePidjin Sat 16-Nov-13 21:19:50


WLmum Sat 16-Nov-13 21:37:59

Good for you beasty
Poor you fod. Anything particular triggered the grump or just general?
Poor T keeps waking up crying. I gave her calpol before bed but she's so full of snot

ddas Sat 16-Nov-13 22:21:15

I'm just not with it today. Dd decided to give us an even earlier start than normal.
Ds has been challenging today which found difficult when sleep deprived- just don't have as much patience when tired! The terrible two's really does exist! Although with ds it's defiant two's!

ddas Sat 16-Nov-13 22:22:20

fod sorry to hear that- you've had a rough couple of months.

ispyplumpie Sat 16-Nov-13 23:14:54

Busy day today with DS1's party this morning and Church Christmas fair this afternoon. Party went really well. DS1 enjoyed it and I got to spend some time with some lovely friends. N met Father Christmas at the fair - it was all going so well until they took a photo and he decided to scream. Will be an interesting picture grin.

<<hugs>> FOD

halestone Sat 16-Nov-13 23:45:45

I've had the type of day where i mostly haven't had a clue what i've been doing.


I've just got H to sleep no doubt me or DP will end up in the spare bed tonight. FX its me grin

Hope DS1 enjoyed his party Ispy.

Bigs hugs FoD

I love out spare bed Hales, it's stupidly comfy.

I've been to a friend's fortieth and J totally behaved himself for my sister! Turns out it's just my mum and DP's mum nit wanting to put him to bed! My sister followed my instructions to the letter and he was asleep for 8:30, much better than the 11pm reported by my parents last week. I told my mum to cuddle him to sleep and that he may cry briefly but to persevere, youd think id suggested locking him a room with a pride of lions!

This is the first wake up since she put him down! Yippee!

WLmum Sun 17-Nov-13 12:38:11

That all sounds good willyou. We only had one wake up last night too despite the fact that T is hardly eating any solids at the moment - due to her cold and emerging teeth I guess. Just trying to boob her to sleep now.