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DECEMBER 2012: Please babies sleep, before you turn 1!

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halestone Sat 02-Nov-13 15:29:57

new thread

halestone Sat 02-Nov-13 15:34:12

haha WL That sounds quite funny.

sorry about everyone else's poor sleep H went to sleep at 4am but then cried alot in her sleep so hardly any sleep was had here. Hoping for better night tonight but i doubt it will happen as she has only just gone down for nap. Also her appetite is worse than normal today i think shes in pain somewhere.

I've got two gannets, I don't know how I'm going to afford to feed them both as they get older grin

I'm looking forward to sausage and mash for dinner (with the red cabbage) and veg. Debating whether or not to do yorkshires and stuffing too blush we will be having them tomorrow with roast chicken but I do love them...

WL I expect you made someone's day!

Stacks how was the train journey, apart from ds not sleeping?

ISpyPlumPie Sat 02-Nov-13 16:45:05

Thanks for the thread Hales.

I'm sure the babies are telepathic sometimes. N also decided thst pulling pyjama bottoms down would be a fun game this morning but DH was his chosen victimgrin

We went to get N's first shoes today. He's a size 3G and very proud of his big boy shoes.

Have also discovered what looks suspiciously like a molar trying to break through N's top gum. Could explain the even crapper than normal sleep we've been having.

Hello all. Checking in.

Very nice WL, hopefully you brightened up someone's rainy Saturday!

DS went back to sleep at 1:30 (after his 4th bottle) and only got up at 7:45. He clearly knew it was DP's get up the traitor. I've got up at 4:30 everyday for the last fortnight. After drinking 24oz of milk in the night, DS had 1.5 weetabix, a full slice of toast and some organix for breakfast. It must be a growth spurt.

Just been to a 1st birthday pool party, it was lovely but as ill advised as it sounds grin. Too many big kids and grown men nearly drowning the babies. J wailed in changing rooms, when the little shits other kids were blowing party horns and all the way home.

I am exhausted now but the lovely hosts sent me home with loads of cake. X-factor, wine and cake before an early night for me. DP's off to play poker tonight.

WLmum Sat 02-Nov-13 17:24:48

Thanks for the new thread hales.
Hmmm, Ts appetite seems a bit down too.
Really hoping that we've reached the worst point of sleep training and that it starts to get better tonight - we've got friends coming for a take away tonight so will probably be late to sleep, then swimming lessons and 12 people for lunch tomorrow. Seemed like a good idea at the time!

PurplePidjin Sat 02-Nov-13 17:55:56

I have a sleeper nowadays, sorry blush

Pool party sounds like a nightmare! I find the only way to cope after swimming is rice cakes. Or cheerios. I lay him out a mini picnic on the bench while i get dressed then do him!

We're doing a Dear Zoo party joint with a friend. My mum is going to do a book corner, I'll do a bit of a sing song, plus a free for all of toys in the church hall - we've put on the invitations to bring a toy to share instead of a present

Argh I'd hate a pool party too, I'd be making dp go instead!

WL I saw they're doing the stick man live but only in London....I've got dd the book for Christmas.

lazzaroo Sat 02-Nov-13 18:31:08

Utopian, yes, just turned 10 months. Born 30/12. Something is also going on with her naps. Think we need to adjust them but haven't quite worked that out yet. She was up at 4.30am! Went back down at 7.30am but then resisted next sleep at 11am. Had 40mins at 12.30 but that's it. Feeding her now & then she'll be asleep. She is making a lot of developmental leaps too, especially with walking (not unaided...yet!).

Ds completely refuses to stand/walk. He cruises loads and pulls up on anything (including flat surfaces) but if you put him down he just collapses to his knees. It's quite frustrating as I think he could do it if he tried. He was the same with sitting though I suppose. He just never did it as he wanted to crawl all the time, even though he could do it...

WLmum Sat 02-Nov-13 19:57:36

pidj that sounds lovely, what a nice idea.

spotty some babies just insist on doing things only when they are completely ready.

I would be worried about the safety of a pool party and would wonder just how much enjoyment the 1 year old would get.

As we've got guests coming the house is clean (ish) and tidy (ish) - its so nice! DH have the dds tea so I could shower and do hair and make up. 'twas lovely. I'm hungry now though and food will be ages.

That sounds nice Pidj. I can't really be arsed to do much and it'll be the 16th Dec. I may do a gluhwein and Stollen party for the mums and the babies can fend for themselves while we chat!

J's exactly the same Spotty. If I stand him up and let go he'll stand there for ages but as soon as he realises he's stood unsupported he drops to his bum. Oh well, he'll do it soon enough. When's F's birthday?

It was safe tbh WL as there were loads of spare adults. We commandeered the shallow end/steps as baby central (far away from the big kids) and they had a fantastic time climbing in/out and splashing each other. I think it helps that we regularly meet up to go to swimtots/for a splash so we're used to looking out for each other's babies. The pool provided a life guard and baby float seats.

It was properly hard work though. There were 7 babies in the changing room wailing in unison at one point.

DS is poorly, he's been crying off and on (mainly on) since 2pm. He's hot to the touch but the thermometer says he's only 37.8. I'm not convinced.

The weather here is horrendous. I had to wait for a deluge of rain to pass before I could drive home from the pool. And the fireworks keep waking J up. At least I have wine and cake.

What are you having WL? Hope you're having fun with your guests.

Barbeasty Sat 02-Nov-13 20:31:13

Thanks Hales.

A is the same Spotty. DH will try to make him stand and you get a withering look and after a second he very carefully sits down. So frustrating.

I really hope teeth are coming. He won't let me put a finger in to feel, so hopefully they're breaking the surface. And I need sleep tonight. It's been a week of worse than normal sleep, it's not fair.

He's barely eaten (again). A mouthful of lunch, same at dinner and the tiniest bit of chocolate brownie. Teeth? I hope so.

Tbf WillYou that would be a temp for dd and ds who usually average 36.6. It's really windy here too, all the doors are rattling from the draught. Luckily no fireworks near enough to disturb really.

Ds' birthday is 26th November sob sob sob every day I think about having another one I think as his first birthday approaches it's getting worse.

Hope you're having a lovely take away WL smile

DS is usually between 36 and 36.2 Spotty. Does that mean this is a temp? I've given both calpol and ibuprofen but it's not moved at all.

Hopefully just teeth Beasty. I am sick to the back teeth of bloody teeth!

Yep anything over 37 is a temp and over 38 is a fever. I would guess it's just teeth but would keep an eye on it and maybe remove some clothing.

Beasty I hope you get some sleep

I've put him in his old summer sleep bag instead of his big thick one. I'll give the ibuprofen half an hour and check him again.

He's back up due to fireworks. I need even considered that they would keep him awake before.

PurplePidjin Sat 02-Nov-13 20:47:52

19th here, Spotty that's like 2 1/2 weeks shock party is 30th though, in between the two birthdays smile

Shit I haven't even thought about a party confused

ISpyPlumPie Sat 02-Nov-13 21:03:55

We're just going to have close family and friends round for a birthday tea for N. Thinking of doing a bit of a Very Hungry Caterpillar theme - there seems to be loads of party bits with it on, I reckon I could have a bash at a cake and it certainly suits the Very Hungry N!

He absolutely adores Dear Zoo as well. Sounds like it'll be a great party Pidge.

How glad am I that we decided against taking DS1 to a firework display? It's wild out there. Really hoping it improves tomorrow. We're planning to take the boys to see Blackpool illuminations. Think they'll really enjoy it and will be a nice birthday day out for me

Terrible isn't it ISpy. I got drowned earlier, I was trapped on Ashton baths car park grin

FriendofDorothy Sat 02-Nov-13 21:56:09

Just checking in so I don't lose the thread. Will be back later when I have more time x

We're up to 38.5. No other symptoms. Advice please!

What medicine did he have when?

PurplePidjin Sat 02-Nov-13 22:24:24

WillYou if it's not responding to pcm/brufen, get medical advice. In the meantime keep his fluids up and strip off to nappy. Cool bath or damp flannel on the back of his nack, but make sure he's dry for an hour before leaving the house smile

I find medicine wears off after about 3/4 hours. Agree with pidj though if the medicine isn't reducing the temp it sounds like an infection. If he's due more medicine I would see what it's like after that, if not I would call ooh (111 are rubbish IMO). It's always best to get it checked out. Dd had a temp of over 40 once and they weren't worried as calpol brought it down. She was older though

He had calpol at 6 then again at 10 but puked it straight back. Ibuprofen at 6.

Am texting friend who is paeds nurse. She thinks it's a UTI.

Ibuprofen at 8 rather

FriendofDorothy Sat 02-Nov-13 22:50:50

My boy had barely any tea tonight. Think he was completely overtired. Managed to have a bath and then boob and has been in bed for several hours. I am now worried that it will be a difficult night now!

We went out for lunch today with my mother-in-law (she has been driving me nuts!) and there was another family behind us and the woman was breastfeeding her little one, very discretely. There was this evil woman sitting on the table next to us and she proceeded to bitch throughout the entire mealtime about children eating out, creating mess, feeding from the boob etc etc. I was so cross with her that on the way out I had words and told her she was the rudest woman I had ever met.

halestone Sat 02-Nov-13 23:10:29

Willyou, if worried i would tempted to get advice from the ooh also if it gets any higher i would to A+E.

FoD good for you she sounds like a horrible woman.

WL i hope your having a lovely night.

H is also barely eating at the moment as well.

Maybe she should employ her own private child catcher FoD, so she's not bothered by pesky children in future.

Open window + replacement dose of calpol + open window + wet flannel = freezing mummy temp of 37.6! Yippee!

Can teething make them this poorly or is it likely to be a virus? I haaaaate having a poorly baby. Ive been so worried.

WLmum Sat 02-Nov-13 23:41:40

Oh dear willyou. No, teething would not make him this poorly. I would assume virus so carry on as you are but get medical advice if his temp goes up again and doesn't respond to meds. It is coming into chicken pox season so watch out for spots (dd2 had it at 8 months with sustained temp of 40).

Good for you fod she sounds vile.

Have had a lovely night (take away curry - happy divali btw) and a tad too much wine smile

His temp may be separate then as we're both covered in dribble. My grey top is soaked through as is his vest. I put a vest on him as I felt wrong having him naked when it's so cold!

Still up watching in the night garden I'm afraid here. Hope the rest of you are fast asleep.

DS finally crashed out at 12:50 but was back up 35 minutes later. DP's in now and is insisting he'll be fine to take DS for a bit, but I've packed him off to bed and he can do the early shift so that I can sleep. That feels a very long way away right now!

utopian99 Sun 03-Nov-13 02:38:48

Really hope ds is fine will you, but as the others say if his temp won't stay down, call ooh or a&e. O had a persistent high temp and we ended up in ooh where they confirmed it was an ear infection in both ears. Once he got through the first day's worth of antibiotics he was so much better..

fod she sounds like a miserable old bat.

O came to his first fireworks in Greenwich today. Awesome ones, but as it was after his supper, and dh had him in the sling, he actually slept the whole way through!

Night weaning again tonight. Feel like Hateful Mother, but I almost can't feed him at night anyway, because he drinks too fast and is sick. How are you getting on, WL

2blessed Sun 03-Nov-13 04:13:33

Thanks for the thread hales

Happy birthday ispy wine flowers cake Hope you all enjoy blackpool.

Hope temp settles down willyou and you can all get some sleep.

Have lurked a bit over last week, been so tired. R had a tummy bug for nearly a week, so lots of poo explosions. Both dp and I were a bit sick with it too.
R is 10 months today! I bought his first pair of shoes yesterday since he's doing more walking.

Happy birthday ispy!

Ds seems to think 5:30 is an appropriate time to get up hmm

WillYou I agree with WL, although teething can cause a temperature, it shouldn't cause a fever. Hopes he's feeling better this morning why do they always seem to go downhill at night?!

I'm going to brain DH. I've been up all fucking night. He's just come down and said what the hell are you doing? Why are you letting him cry? SERIOUSLY? SERIOUSLY? He's cried for 12 fucking hours and he's now noticed.

He took him off me and took him upstairs. I've bollocked him and sent him down. I was downstairs as I didn't want to wake the neighbours again. He said it's not worth going downstairs as he keeps falling asleep then waking up screaming. I said don't tell me what he's doing, I know what he's doing, he's been doing it for 12 hours.

I am back in bed, there will be words in the Willyou household later!

WLmum Sun 03-Nov-13 08:49:35

Poor willyou and babywillyou. Hope he's feeling better, you get some sleep and DH is suitably apologetic.

I think last night was a little better - first wake 2ish, gave a little slow side boob (think tonight am ready to go no boob) and then cuddling/rocking/patting to sleep. She still resisted but I'm sure it was less time. Up again at 4.45 when I just gave a full feed as I know I'm not going to win at that time, in with us at 6 then up at 6.30. Hope you had a progressive night utopian.

WLmum Sun 03-Nov-13 09:02:25

2blessed hope you're all feeling better now.

Oh and I got up at 3.30 to give dd2 her inhalers. Hmm, so not a great night then!

PurplePidjin Sun 03-Nov-13 09:21:44


R slept 5:55-6:15-5:00-7:40 shock and the boys have gone for a jog in the Forest with dp's club. I'm getting in the bath then they'll be back with something from the farm shop to roast for dinner grin

Poor WillYou hope you're having a nice sleep.

Sounds lovely pidj I've just put a red wine beef casserole in the slow cooker.

Think we will go for a walk to the castle ruins this afternoon (dd likes it there) then go to costa to warm us up. I love cold days smile

Hey peeps, I've had another couple of hours and feel almost human!

DS is still wailing pretty much constantly but conks out from time to time as he's so exhausted.

I've managed to get 1 bottle and 5 blueberries into him today, I'm counting it as a win!

DP is suitably chastened, I told him I was pissed off he didn't even check on us and what he said to me this morning. He apologised and said he was half dead at the time. Weren't we all grin

halestone Sun 03-Nov-13 13:06:57

Happy Birthday Ispywinethanks

2blessed i hope your all feeling better.

Willyou how is DS now?

Pidj, i am so envy of that sleep.

Ooh I missed that it's your birthday ISpy. Have a lovely day cake

He looks a bit better Hales, he was very pale and listless before. He has his mischievous glint back. I took him for a blustery tramp around in the pram and he's now asleep. It's done me the world of good too smile

PurplePidjin Sun 03-Nov-13 14:30:38

It should be clicking into place for quiche babies soon? We night weaned in early September then sleep trained 3-4 weeks later - so at 9 1/2 - 10-1/2 months. He's been doing a solid 6-6:30/7 ever since with one wake up for a nappy (he's teething so does occasional very smelly wees that must burn because he gets upset) I had to get the right moment to push him; after the 9m growth spurt and just after some major teething.

Stacks Sun 03-Nov-13 17:10:46

Checking in to new thread. Just read back through all the posts, but didn't get to 'listen' as had DS complaining the whole time.

Spotty - the train journey was good, apart from T being too stimulated to sleep. He behaved really well though, we had quite a few comments from other passengers on just how angelic he was smile We were all exhausted when we got back though, DH and I were in bed by 8!

DH has been a bit better about eating this week, but we still struggle to get much in him. Some days have been fantastic (he's eaten more than 2 teaspoons for a meal), others not so good. I'm wondering of we have a growth spurt accompanying this cold too though. He'll sleep 2 hors after a feed, but only 15-30 minutes after a cuddle to resettle. I think tonight I'm going to try feeding at every wake and see if we can get 3-4 two hour sleeps, rather than 20 wake ups and 1-2 feeds. It's frustrating though, as he's been night weaned for months.

WL (or was it Willyou?) sounds like you had a horrendous night. Really hoping for less screaming and more sleeping for all tonight. Glad DH apologised too.

Hope teeth pop through and better nights are had, and that the fever came down and poorly LO is feeling better. Did you call ooh?

FriendofDorothy Sun 03-Nov-13 17:17:02

Can somebody talk to me about night weaning and sleep training.

a) Do I need to do it?
b) How do I do it?

grin At dh not eating stacks, assume you mean ds wink

Fod you don't have to do it, completely up to you. How often is ds up?

Right that's it ds is having a party three weeks today. I've verbally booked a hall. shock What have I done?!

FriendofDorothy Sun 03-Nov-13 17:34:38

He is up at least once a night, sometimes more. He tends to sleep from round about 8ish until 2am-ish when he wakes for a feed and then goes back to sleep until 6ish if we're lucky.

PurplePidjin Sun 03-Nov-13 17:40:35

A) only if you or dc are struggling with lack of sleep. I was coping and could see that R needed me, then the balance tipped and he started getting grumpy and over tired

B) pick a time and just don't feed after then. Midnight to 5am or something. Cuddle, rock, sing, anything but don't feed. Offer water - a friend of mine offered formula and her ds hated it so decided it wasn't worth waking up! For some people having daddy do nights for a few days helps because the dc doesn't associate them with milk. As soon as it gets to your morning time, latch on.

You should get results within a couple of days - if you don't, or you get prolonged hysterical crying, stop. R mumps and moans but only gets hysterical and actually cries if he needs something - calpol or bum change.


I requested a call back from NHS direct Stacks. They said to keep dosing him up, keep an eye in him and ring ooh if he doesn't eat/drink/wee.

He isn't eating or drinking but I just managed to get him to take 4oz of formula. <high fives self> DP has thrown DS' nappy in bin though so I'll have to go rooting to make sure it's wet. Lovely.

I will be a much better mnetter as soon as he feels better. For now I'm aware it's all me, me, me (or us, us, us).

ISpyPlumPie Sun 03-Nov-13 20:09:49

Thanks for all the lovely messages everyone. I've had a great day. Blackpool was fab. We are now the proud owners of two giant flashing light sabers and N really enjoyed helping himself to our fish and chip mainly chips supper.

* Willyou* - really hope J is feeling better soon.

FriendofDorothy Sun 03-Nov-13 20:12:12

I am starting to think about birthday and Christmas presents. Does anyone have any idea what they are going to get their LO?

WLmum Sun 03-Nov-13 20:19:38

pidj quiche babies??!! Haha!
fod absolutely agree you don't have to do it if you're happy with the way things are. I decided to do it as I was happy enough with one wake but there were some nights when she'd be up three times, each needing boob to settle. Also she doesn't always eat that much in the day and I'm sure she sort of doesn't need to as there's always milk on tap at night. I've been giving just a short feed the last few nights to make sure she's not too hungry/thirsty and then settling with cuddling/rocking/patting. If she's got too upset I've given another short feed and started again. I'm now going to move to no boob unless she gets v upset. Cuddling/rocking will slowly be replaced by patting only which will then be phased out.

Family WL have had a lovely weekend of lots of lovely company, food and wine! Quick Hoover, spot if knitting and early bed before back to school and work tomorrow.

PurplePidjin Sun 03-Nov-13 20:30:03

Mn clique = quiche. We are a quiche, and have quiche babies who belong to the quiche

Iyswim hmm

IsThatTrue Sun 03-Nov-13 20:30:38

I lost you all again, I really am rubbish. I hope all mums and babies are well.

I'm in the middle of designing our new house and sorting out quotes etc. it's taking up a lot of headspace tbh.

Ds2 is doing ok, still not quite walking thank god but he's worked out how to position his toys to create steps so can climb on the sofa/table/tv unit.

We've been night weaning. Some nights are better than others but we usually get 2 wake ups at most ( and 1 is before midnight). The next may be 6am if I'm lucky (which I suppose is technically morning). I'm definitely feeling more human with a bit more sleep.

DH is away in India from tues for 3 weeks so who knows how I'll cope then. confused

I've got ds quite a bit. I think I probably won't realise how much until I get it all out blush what I can remember:

A wooden with wooden blocks in
A fisher price choo choo musical train thing confused
A wooden click clack fire engine
10 That's not my....books
3 toot toot vehicles (parents getting him the garage)
Melissa & doug wooden stacking blocks
A my first drum set
Some bath stacking cups
A bath drum
Socks (stocking filler!)
A few other melissa & doug vehicle sets which I may well save for next year...

PurplePidjin Sun 03-Nov-13 20:44:05

R had a foam jigsaw play mat with a town on and a musical activity table. He'll be overwhelmed on the day by family plus had grown out of the dj booth so he's had them early - and is loving them.

He's got a duplo train and some magnetic stacking blocks for Christmas.

I refuse to feel guilty about not getting him much. He has as much love, singing, playing, reading as he can handle and we go to a group every week day. He has what he needs.

DS is still up, will this day never end!

WLmum Sun 03-Nov-13 21:41:14

pidj I don't get why it's a quiche but I get how the babies belong to it! And quiche is delish so all good.

I am not getting T anything new for her bday & xmas - I have kept back some of the toys from dd1&2 which I will wrap and present. Love the sound of magnetic stacking blocks though. My thinking is always save the money now while their needs are few and simple, and they don't know any better, and spend it when it all changes! All 3 have v few new clothes, most are hand me downs which they love. There will be plenty of time for them to be fashion conscious.

ddas Sun 03-Nov-13 22:16:37

We're getting dd a dolls house for bday- the elc one but as you can get as good as new second hand ones with all the furniture in them I'm keeping my eye out on eBay for one. Hate spending the mad prices for new toys even if we can afford it. Although at the moment think ds will like it more than her! But know that before she reaches 2/next Xmas she'll start playing it so figured we'd get it now. For this Xmas not sure yet- probably something practical since she'll be getting lots from other people and she's got all ds's toys.

halestone Sun 03-Nov-13 23:01:06

Arghhh i wrote out a huge post and its gone.

Willyou i hope you and J are ok. You don't need to worry about your posts at the moment we're all here to support you it's horrible looking after a poorly baby. Are you booking a GP appointment tomorrow? It may help ease your mind.

Fod we're not sleep training although H gets up at least 2 times a night because i can cope with that. She does however go back down quite easily. She rarely has a bottle of a night now and regularly goes 8-10 hours of a night without one.

Isthat how are your house plans coming along?

We havn't decided what we're getting H for her birthday it will probably something practical like clothes. For christmas we're getting her a Little Tikes red/yellow car, the ones they sit inside and use their feet to get around and some books. Spotty she has some of the 'thats not my' books and she loves them. We have asked close family to buy clothes for either christmas or her birthday and a cheap toy for the other one IYSWIM.

WL your weekend sounds lovely grin

I have been given more hours in the chippy which means i don't need to look for another job and H's childcare will cost us nothing as there at times DP can look after hergrin

utopian99 Mon 04-Nov-13 02:50:34

Hi all, been catching up but can't remember who and what as brain utterly fried. Friday night he slept through, yesterday woke three times I settled and four times dh settled, and tonight slept 7-12.30 but then woke every half hour from then, and now won't go down at all. He falls asleep in arms and cries as soon as we move towards the cot. Have calpolled just in case but it's not made a difference. Dh is shattered so I've taken over again, but no idea what to do apart from you pick up, put down, which has been going on for half an hour so far with no improvement. He's not going for boob on pick up, have no idea what's up but totally lost here. Sorry for being a bit mememe as well here, his sleep had been so much better last month and is so much worse now.

2blessed Mon 04-Nov-13 04:25:22

1st wake up! R slept 9-3.50. He's had a bit of boob but wouldnt settle back in his cot, so he's in with us.

We're getting R stocking fillers e.g books, musical instruments and cars for christmas. Keeping it simple this year.

We had a lovely sunday. I went to church and left dp and ds watching cartoons. Then we went to crystal pal palace for a late lunch. R ate very well grin.

Feel quite organised for the week - R's and my ironing done and meals planned. Must keep this up hmm

Hope lo's are giving their dm's a chance to sleep.

I was thinking the same ddas, dd's birthdays in June so she has the opportunity for next level toys every six months.

It's that bargain thread that's got me buying-addictive! On the plus side I can easily keep bits back for birthdays etc. dd has got quite a bit for Christmas but again her main present was only £13 and then I've got her loads of books oh and a wooden kitchen aid type thing grin

Ds woke at 6:30 and dd is still asleep. Does anyone else have a thumb sucker? Ds is always sucking his thumb..

IsThatTrue Mon 04-Nov-13 07:08:03

For birthday ds2 has a vtech alphabet train thing. My mum will buy his first shoes when he starts walking and mil is giving money. He has so many clothes (hand me downs) and plenty of toys atm. For Xmas I've git him a few loft out puzzles, some Xmas books, and a box of mega blox. I'm hoping he won't be too overwhelmed as the big dcs are with their dad so it'll be a bit quieter for him.

hales the house plans are going ok, we're just working out what is essential. How it's cheapest (one contractor that can do everything vs several for different things). Trying to plan kitchens and bathrooms. Costing out what furniture we need for each room and finding fabric for the curtains, which I've decided to make all of with blackout lining. What doesn't help is we can't get in there properly until the beginning of dec. and DH goes to India tomorrow for 3 weeks. So things are kinda at a standstill. hmm

Well last night DS woke at 11.45 buy I shushed and rocked and was back in bed by 12. Then he woke at 3.45 I fed him and then shushed and rocked and was back in bed by 4.15. Then he woke at 6.39 and came in for his morning feed, now he's passed out on my arm. I have 10 minutes until I need to get dd avid ds1 up for school.

It's ds1s 7th birthday today! Dd turned 9 a few weeks ago. Why do they grow up so quick?

ddas Mon 04-Nov-13 08:09:48

It does go so quickly! I can't imagine ds or dd being that old but know it'll be here before I know it sad

spotty where's this bargain thread?? Always on the look out for one lol

Just found ds's Xmas present on eBay a wooden train table- ends tonight so fingers crossed.

halestone Mon 04-Nov-13 08:23:58

Utopian we've been struggling to get H back in her cot so i gave up and now co-sleep but as soon as shes over the longest cold i'll be trying to get her back in her cot. Sorry i have no practical advice just thought it may help to know someone is in the same boat.

2blessed that sounds very organised.

Isthat wow 3 weeks away i would struggle without DP for that long. The house plans sound hard work but worth it.

Spotty H doesn't suck her thumb.

Barbeasty Mon 04-Nov-13 08:45:52

Great news Hales

A is getting a thing where you hammer the pegs down and a box of duplo of his birthday, and planning on getting him a toy farm plus animals for Christmas. Also going with the giving him stuff he'll grow into plan. DD's birthday is exactly 6 months from Christmas, so much easier.

She thinks she's having a party, with lots of babies coming. But actually we're planning to go to the aquarium and then lunch for A's birthday.

utopian99 Mon 04-Nov-13 08:49:13

is that what is it you do again? If I can help in anyway with architectural input (for free), just ask. If you are in the industry anyway, ignore my sleep scrambled brain.

hales thanks for the support. When he's I'll we co sleep but I am trying to get him out of expecting it. This put down problem is new on me though. He is up and perky after finally settling at 4.20, dh and I are broken.

Poor you Utopian I have no advice but what about posting in sleep. They're always nice and helpful over there.

Yay to more hours and no childcare Hales, that's fantastic news.

The storm has passed here! Whatever it was. J screamed until 11 last night, despite a delightful 10pm drive through the rural back roads! In the end he crashed out then woke again at 11:45. ITNG and calpol got him back down at 12:15. He woke at 6 for a bottle then 9:10!
He has am awful rattle on his chest so may take him to docs just for checking over.

IsThatTrue Mon 04-Nov-13 09:36:18

I do office stuff, have no idea about architecture utopian I may need to take you up on that.

Ds just screamed all the way back from dropping dd at nursery. It wasn't until I got home I realised he'd made himself sick sad

WLmum Mon 04-Nov-13 10:29:08

Oh utopian that's rough. No real suggestions other than a bit of cc which I know you weren't keen on.
Can you get someone to take O for a bit so you can grab a nap?

We fared rather better - wake up at 2ish and she went back down with just a quick cuddle. 4.30 wake I caved and fed her and she went til 7! My boobs were very lumpy and painful!

halestone Mon 04-Nov-13 11:55:48

Utopian that does sound rough. I think Willyou's suggestion of posting in sleep may help someone has got to have been through it before and they will know the answer.

Willyou yay to you getting some sleep i hope J's chest clears up soon.

Spotty i hope DS isn't coming down with something.

Beasty a trip to the aquarium for A's birthday sounds lovely.

Utopian I missed your post blush sorry you're having such a tough time sad I don't think I have any advice I'm afraid. My niece has always been an awful sleeper and was an early walked, very bright. Wonder if there's a connection?

jackandjilly Mon 04-Nov-13 13:24:10

Marking place

Be back later to catch up smile

Maryland2013 Mon 04-Nov-13 13:28:14

Sorry to hear about bad sleep.. We've had disturbed nights too with coughing coughing coughing it's driving me mad!

Birthday/ Xmas presents all sound ace. I think we're going to get a trike- one of those with a stick handle on that the parents push with until they're bigger. Parents have already bought mega blocks.. I also think we will go to sea life. I'm guessing it will be cold/ rainy/ snowy (?!) mid December so indoor activities all the way!

Spotty where did you get your 10 x it's my books? DS loves those smile

I agree with whoever said (sorry) that we should try to save pennies on pressies now while they don't really get it so we have more later! We also shouldn't feel guilty about not buying loads or feel pressured to buy loads.. My DSD (13) got an iPhone 5 last year (not from us) so we're never going to be able to top that so won't even try!!

Can anyone recommend any nice fancy baby clothes shops that I can browse on while DS is napping?

I've not bought any birthday or christmas presents yet. I have no idea what I'm getting. I'm going to copy off you lot when I can be arsed to start shopping.

ISpyPlumPie Mon 04-Nov-13 15:34:20

N is getting a Happyland submarine for his birthday and a trike with a stick handle for Christmas. Will be getting some books and a few other bits too, but definitely agree with less is more at this age especially for DC2 when the house is already packed to the rafters with toys.

Great news about the extra hours Hales.

Hope things get better soon Utopian. Really wish I had some advice but both of mine have been poor sleepers -- understatement--. They have both been early walkers too so maybe there is a correlation Spotty

Maryland2013 Mon 04-Nov-13 15:46:32

Willyou... Do you mean like Boden? Baby joules, john Lewis, jojo maman bebe?

Thanks Maryland I had a bit of a snoop around but didn't see anything I HAD to have!

The books were from WHSmith for £12 but sold out super quick. I've got bits from eBay selling sites and all dd's happyland stuff is from eBay. She has the alien bits and loves them even now smile

Maryland2013 Mon 04-Nov-13 21:10:48

What is happy land?

Happyland is little people and playsets, I think it's from the ELC but not sure. My uncle has got DS happyland zoo for Christmas.

ddas Mon 04-Nov-13 21:42:52

Happyland is great for toddlers. We're a big fan.

Past 2 weeks been thinking about stopping bf- keep thinking I'm ready and want my body back but then chicken out. Worried I'll regret it & this my last so once I stop that's it. Sounds a bit silly really!!

ddas Mon 04-Nov-13 21:44:03

Plus will have to figure out another way of getting her to nap/sleep without the boob. My DM,dh and nursery seem to manage it but she won't do it for me and hold out till she gets boob!

WLmum Mon 04-Nov-13 22:22:03

Not silly at all ddas I know exactly what you mean (although I'm not quite ready)

ISpyPlumPie Mon 04-Nov-13 23:32:11

We've got the spaceship/alien Happyland stuff too as well as loads of other bits. DS1 also still likes playing with it every now and then (especially if N has shown an interest in it) so it's definitely proved to be good value so far.

I'm another one who's alternating between wanting my body back and not quite being ready to close the door on bf. Given that since early 2009 I've been either pg or bf (or both!) it's going to seem quite strange when I do stop. Am more than a bit scared about the impact of the change in hormones if I'm honest - it's bound to affect me somehow isn't it?

Barbeasty Tue 05-Nov-13 05:35:11

Up every 20 minutes since 2am and when I got A from his cot I slipped on something. I've really hurt my ankle and 2 toes, and I dropped A (although only once I had collapsed onto the floor iyswim). He was fine, I'm so not up for work today!

But his 2 top front teeth have broken through at last, and his babbling has become more like conversation.

Oh no beasty sad

Re bf when I stopped I didn't have any problems with hormones but ds had been on nursing strike for so long my supply had really dwindled.

Eugh I find it really hard to eat this time of morning.

2blessed Tue 05-Nov-13 07:16:24

Ouch beasty

Not the greatest of nights here. R spent most of the night in our bed attached to my boob. Everytime I tried to take him off he would wake up. DM is coming to collect him whilst I work from home today.

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 07:38:46

T slept 8.15 til 4.45! Hoorah! Feed and back down til 6 then in with us dozing on the boob til 6.45. Think ill give it a few days before tackling the 4.45 wake up. Sorry for rubbish sleep elsewhere.

beasty that sounds nasty. Hope you manage to rest it for a few days.

8:15-4:45, 5:00-8:15. Boom! Obviously he's still poorly (chest infection if I didn't say I'd worked it out) so that'll have an impact.

Massive improvement in speech here too, I love watching them change smile

Barbeasty Tue 05-Nov-13 12:27:20

I'm not sure how much of the poor sleep was down to having to come back to work today! I think I really need to start putting A back in his cot, we disturb each other otherwise and wake each other up.

I'm resting my leg behind a desk today. But I do have a brief site visit tomorrow.

I more or less let DD choose when to stop feeding, so I guess I'll do the same with A. No getting pregnant and forcing the issue this time!

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 12:27:31

Wow willyou that's great sleep! Hope his chest is better soon.

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 12:28:38

hales I've been meaning to say great news on the job/childcare front.

ISpyPlumPie Tue 05-Nov-13 14:52:47

Beasty - sounds nasty. Hope you recover quickly.

Fab sleep Willyou.

N's getting more conversational all the time. He's always babbling away "chatting" to us and the changes in tone (combined with a fair bit of pointing) means he's getting really effective at communicating his needs for someone without much of a vocabulary grin.

Stressful day at work, awful headache and only just sat down for lunch. Have to leave to get dd in half an hour. Woe is me sad

lazzaroo Tue 05-Nov-13 15:32:22

That's horrible spotty. Hope headache lifts soon. And you beasty, hope your leg better soon.

Think I may have passed my stomach bug on to dd1. She was supposed to do her sleep study last night. We got the monitor on her toe at 8.30 & then at 9 she was crying out. We thought it was the monitor disturbing her but she'd been sick everywhere sad. needless to say the sleep study was abandoned, she ended up in bed with me & I'm knackered (as ever!)

Good sleep WL. hope your little one better soon willyou, good sleep will speed recover for sure.

ddas I am feeling the same about bf. I do want to stop. But at the same time,it's so easy I wonder why I want to set myself up with another challenge!

utopian I hope you have found some helpful advice on sleep board. I am onbviously rubbish at inducing good sleep as both mine have been terrible (I'll stick with the theory about the link with brightness & early development! wink)

Work today & baby lazza did a 2 hour nap for my mum! Have just tried to get her to sleep now though so she's not awake too long before bed but she's not having it. Well, went to sleep on me but woke when I put her down. Will just have to keep her going now I think confused.

lazzaroo Tue 05-Nov-13 16:12:43

Baby lazza has just bitten dd1. Really hard, left little teeth marks shock sad

Poor dd1 lazza sad I feel much better now the headaches gone but still having a tiresome day! Looking forward to beef stir fry for dinner smile

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 16:44:26

Baby lazza bit me! Poor dd1

Glad you're feeling a bit better spotty

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 19:31:57

Found a great bday/Xmas pressie for my mum to give T - a vetch car garage - saw it in tesco earlier for £38 but amazon have it for £26 with free delivery. She loves watching balls roll down so hopefully will enjoy cars too! And it'll be a bit different to the oodles of girly stuff we already have.

That's what my parents have for for ds WL smile it's a good price. The three cars that go with it are currently £14.98 but if you keep an eye on them they sometimes go down to £9.99. I've got those for dd to give to ds (although she's seen the ad on tv and requested it for herself hmm!)

utopian99 Tue 05-Nov-13 19:41:13

Thanks for the advice everyone - had a good read in sleep and lots of similar threads so we have ideas. He did sleep better last night but then I was horribly sick so dh had to do settles at 2, 4 and brought to me at 6. I've felt really weak and achey all day, and I think dh is catching it now. What a miserable bunch.
Currently trying to feed to sleep with fireworks going off everywhere hmm, but on a good note the Nipple of Pain (where he bit me a month ago) has gone!

Also thinking about when to stop bf but it's so useful I think I'll wait till he's 1 before forcing it..

Poor you utopiansadi really hope things improve for you soon thanks

lazzaroo Tue 05-Nov-13 20:08:35

We have got that garage for baby lazza too! And my parents are giving her a set of cars! smile

Ds was --climbing on--playing with one at toddler group so I know he'll like it smile

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 20:34:02

Haha great minds! T just climbs on everything at the moment, she's a total menace!

utopian boo to sickness. Hope you all feel better soon.

Speaking of climbers, baby Willyou climbed behind the telly today and fell behind the unit. He was not happy! I'd have stopped him but I was too busy taking a picture blush

ddas Tue 05-Nov-13 21:53:03

Dd has a few marks on her forehead from climbing then falling blush luckily I know it's not just with me as the days she's at nursery she's a regular on their accident book! It's a good thing they have an excess of brain cells with all these bumps!

Another vote for the vetch garage. My dad got one for ds last year. Both ds & dd like it although ds has mostly outgrown it.

IsThatTrue Tue 05-Nov-13 22:01:26

I'm glad it's not just my baby who's climbing everything! He's worked out that he can push things up to other things and create steps! The only problem is when it's his walker he pushes to the sofa/tv unit/shelves as the walker invariably scoots off again! hmm he's constantly falling. I laugh at him and tell him to stop being a twit > mean mummy <

PurplePidjin Tue 05-Nov-13 22:39:25

You'd think with all that money, vtech would be able to make toys that play music that's both in tune and in time hmm

WLmum Tue 05-Nov-13 23:02:51

T is also a little monster about changing her nappy - as soon as her back touches the mat she's up and with such force and determination in worried I'm going to hurt her if I hold her down. My other 2 were so compliant!

Weird night tonight. DP fell asleep feeding DS and didn't actually feed him hmm DS is a super sleepy sleeper and has to be prompted to drink constantly before he slips into total unconsciousness. He woke for his bedtime bottle at 9:30 and then again at 1. We shall see what the rest of the night will bring.

utopian99 Wed 06-Nov-13 03:11:37

Dh is feeling awful so I said I'd do all wake ups. So far he's woken 10.30, 1 and 2.30, taking 45 minutes to settle every time. I'm getting absolutely sick of this, has anyone ACTUALLY ever made it work, or is it just that you've gone on trying till they grow out of it anyway.

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 06:14:54

Fed up.com

Up at 4am (and midnight). Desperately tried to get her back to sleep but gave up at 5.15. Frustrating thing is I know she'll have a rubbish nap and wake up tired & grumpy.

utopian I'm sure by now dd1 was sleeping through. We did cc with her at about 9 months. Annoying thing is we've tried that with baby lazza & it hasn't made any difference. She settles easily at night, but still wakes anywhere between 1 & 3 & then gets up early (5ish).

She seemed really hungry when she woke, desperate for her porridge. Despite feeding lots between 4&5. Could my milk be getting a bit rubbish?!

If you get really desperate utopian have you considered a sleep clinic? (Ponds?).

My tooth I had the root canal on is seriously aching. I'm very sad my back teeth came through with no enamel on them. Do I give the root canal another go or do I just have it out? I'm only 26 my body is so crap sad

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Nov-13 08:24:50

utopian it worked for R within days

halestone Wed 06-Nov-13 13:10:40

We have just had weemagedeon, she waited till i took her nappy off and wee'd all over herself and managed to cover half the living room as wellshock There must of been a hole in her changing mat and the inside of it went squishy so i've binned that. I have never seen so much wee.

Utopian and Lazza sorry about the bad nights. This time last year my sister came home with my niece and was really struggling with lack of sleep so put her in my bedroom so she could get a rest (i was 37 weeks pregnant) she asked me to do CIO with her so i did it took a week to do. My sister said she couldn't do it as she couldn't bear to listen to my niece cry but it didn't upset me as much as it did her. She said its different listening to your own baby cry than listening to someone elses baby cry.

Willyou i hope J's chest infection is better today.

WL i also have a huge wriggler when she gets on the mat its so hard to get a nappy on her.

Goodness hales! Ds weed on the floor last night but it was only about a tablespoons worth! Nappy change is difficult here too. hmm

halestone Wed 06-Nov-13 13:16:40

Spotty shes always done big wee's her nappy is always wet through after a wee. Obviously she may do smaller wee's before that but i wouldn't notice that.

Well if ds is anything like dp then he has very poor bladder control hmm dd is just like me and has a bladder of steel grin

Ds has learnt how to do the 'red Indian' noise (sorry I know that's not PC but didn't know how to explain it) only he does it with his fist! Still can't get him to clap though...

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Nov-13 16:56:36

R tries that but with his hand in his mouth! Also wibble with his fingers on his lips.

He can indicate yes and no, mama and dada in the right context, muh for more/want that with reaching, and we've had bee (ball) bah-bee (doll) vrrm vrrm (lorry) ta (thank you) gah (cat) and teddy plus attempts at names - noo for his friend (v recognisable name) and kay for aunty katie

I don't think ds will be an early talker like dd was. He says mama dada and ta (I think it's ta, I don't say it to him but my step mum does and he says it when he wants something smile)

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 18:10:20

Whata long day. Baby lazza is knackered (as am I!), so I'm trying to keep her awake to get at least a bit of milk into her. She practically fell asleep at the sight of boob tonight! So, another early night & I'm mentally preparing myself for another early morning sad. DH can't come home soon enough this week!

spotty no clapping here either! And not such impressive talking pidg. I'm worrying (unnecessarily I hope) about it as dd1 has a speech delay & if baby lazza does too, maybe it's us.

So, tomorrow's another day & with dd1 in pre school I'm going to focus on reversing baby lazza's over tiredness....naps will be my mission! Sure early mornings are linked hmm

Oh lazza I'm sure it's just one of those things! I know how hard it is not to 'symptom spot' when there's things in the family though! Good luck on the naps tomorrow. Dd has her pre school jabs and I have the dentist hmm

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 18:32:01

Hope so! and my car has MOT/service tomorrow....I think it's going to be an expensive one!

sad Now dp has just been told that his nan only has a week to live sad

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 19:02:51

So sorry spotty. Hearing news like that certainly puts things in perspective. No more whinging from me.

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Nov-13 19:10:00

lazza when i moved R's bedtime back to 6 he started sleeping longer - overtiredness made it hard for him to stay asleep. A friend of mine was putting her dc down when she seemed tired, only to be up every 2 hours all night. It was her birthday so i popped over after bedtime and dc was acting like R does when he's screamingly desperately in need of his bed - overexcited, giggling, bouncing, needing constant interaction - she started putting dc down at 7 after the dinner-bath-milk shenanigans and now gets 7:30-6:30 with the last part co-sleeping. That was within 2 nights.

PurplePidjin Wed 06-Nov-13 19:10:51

thanks Spotty

FriendofDorothy Wed 06-Nov-13 19:12:59

We have a terrible wriggler too. I feel like I would rather put a nappy on the cat!

Do it fod!! Let us know which is easier wink

Maryland2013 Wed 06-Nov-13 19:16:55

Oh Fod that's so very funny. Although I fear you would get your eyes scratched out?!

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 19:18:21

Thanks pidj, I'll try to get some decent naps in tomorrow & stick with an early night. I've kind of got to the point where I don't know what to tackle first! Today has been so frustrating as she has only napped for 40mins at a time, even though she's obviously still tired when she wakes. Long naps seem like a distant memory (apart from yesterday when she randomly slept for 2 hours in the pushchair!!? I was at work envy)

halestone Wed 06-Nov-13 19:28:07

Lazza i hope it works out tomorrow and the naps lead to better sleep.

Spotty, sorry to hear about your DP's nanthanks

FoD i agree do it then put the video on facebook haha.

MrsNutella Wed 06-Nov-13 19:52:42

Hello all, I think you don't need me to explain the name change grin
Sorry, I've not really kept up, it's been manic her; but I've done my best.

Fod I think I would rather put nappies on a cat than DS at the moment! Honestly you would think I was laying him on pins and trying to pull his legs off or something the way he wriggles!! I've found distracting him with snacks works best - although it sadly isn't foolproof.

Spotty DS does that noise with his fist too. It's so cute! Not much proper talking going on. But when he is pulling up on DH (oooohh first time writing that blush) he does go dadadada
And sorry for your DP and his sad news.

Lazza I have no advice, I think worry comes with the job as mummy. But it just shows you care.

hales thanks for the new thread.

Anyone want some leftover cake?

lazzaroo Wed 06-Nov-13 20:00:34

Congratulations mrs! hope everything went as planned smile

Oooo congratulations Nutella! Hope you had a lovely day thanks

WLmum Wed 06-Nov-13 20:06:06

mrs squueeaalll! Hope it was all totally fab and pretty please may we have a photo on fb? Absolutely want cake!
spotty sorry about dps nan, so soon after his grandad too.
utopian dd1 was a particularly horrendous sleeper and in desperation I did full on cc at 6 months. It was so very tough but took 3 nights and then we had 7-7.
T has learnt to do a pig noise which I love so will post a vid on fb. No real words or particular attempts at words though.

halestone Wed 06-Nov-13 20:14:54

Congratulations Mrs grin Nutella. I hope you had a fabulous day. I agree with WL please put a pic on fb and i'd like a slice of cake as well grinthankswinethanks

jackandjilly Wed 06-Nov-13 20:34:09

Congratulations mrs Nutella! grin Yes to cake and yes to a lovely pic! Hope it was a fantastic day.

We also have a wriggler and a climber. He wriggles so much I'm constantly getting poo on the carpet hmm his favourite place to climb into is the fireplacegrin will post a pic on fb

WLmum Wed 06-Nov-13 22:51:24

Beautiful fireplace jack!

WLmum Wed 06-Nov-13 22:53:08

I can't upload the T pig vid atm as my group fb is playing up b

utopian99 Wed 06-Nov-13 23:20:23

Hurrah and congrats mrsnut!! Yay to cake and wedding photos, I do love a wedding.. grin

Dh has shaved himself a particularly rakish/dubious no for November. Is it wrong that it's a bit of a filthy awful to admit turn on? blush

Thanks for the words of support re sleep. Dh and I had a chat and decided we just can't be hard core enough to force cc. Feeling a lot happier again, we're just going to take it in turns to do cuddle to sleep as he's happily given up going for night boob. Sorry for all the whinging recently and it does mean a lot to have people who understand, even when we all follow different ways.

utopian99 Thu 07-Nov-13 04:25:04

Also spotty so sorry for your dp and his grandmother, thinking of you.

fod a few weeks ago I would have totally agreed with the cat-nappy scenario. Now we have tongue sticking out games/grab mummy's glasses, which helps no end (although trousers on is still a chasing game - we have been known to tour the house in the course of getting dressed...)

Solidarity on sleep lazza - we can hold each other's hands. They need a wrinklky eyed emoticon on mn.. Forprolonging naps have you tried wrapping/slinging baby lazza? That's my surefire way to get an hour+ from O. and I can reach round him to draw grin

pidj I think you have something on the earlier bedtime- when O gets to bed by 7.30 he seems to sleepbbetter than if he's very tired after.

lazzaroo Thu 07-Nov-13 05:41:38

Up at 4.40, morning utopian! fed at 1am also. DH back tonight so am hoping we can come up with a plan of action to tackle early mornings! Even dd1 was up at 5.30 today....it's going to be another long one!

Re:naps, we never really got on with sling. Plus she will NOT give in to sleep with stuff going on around, just gets more & more overtired. So it has to be in her room when we're home really, espeially with dd1 around. I walk her round & then she goes in cot. It's getting harder though (not just because she is so heavy now!). I used to be able to re-settle her if she woke early (&grumpy!) but past few days it hasn't worked.

Argh not the best night. Dd wet the bed so ended up in with us the she wet the bed IN OUR BED! I thought it was me to start with blushshock I just don't understand. She only ever seems to do it when she's coming down with something but she's just got over slapped cheek!

I've got a friend who's moaning on fb that her 4.5 month old is only going 3.5 hours over night. It makes me angry he's a baby fgs it's what they do plus I never put ranty statuses on fb when ds woke two hourly until he was seven months plus she's weaning him when he can barely hold his head up (obviously I keep my opinions to myself hence the moan on here!)

WL the vtech toot toot cars are down to £9.98 smile

Congratulations Nutella, yy to photos!

Sorry to hear about DP's nan Spotty, is it his grandad's wife or from the other side?

Sorry about shite sleep Utopian and Lazza, glad your DP is coming home Lazza, hopefully you'll be able to come up with a plan. Every time I get to the end of my tether I consider cc Utopian and then I realise I'm way too soft and end up cuddling to sleep again.

DS had weed out of his nappy down his leg at 5am so I had to do a whole body change. Thankfully he went back down in my bed. We're getting loads more leaks now as I can't put the nappy on him properly and check it before he's off.

Ha I've got one of those on my fb Spotty. Her DS is 5 weeks and she was complaining that "bedtime" takes ages. Surely there's no such thing as "bedtime" at 5 weeks, they just feed and sleep all day and night. She's trying to get him on a Gina schedule and is putting him in his own room at night and expecting him to stay there.

<sits in hands>

PurplePidjin Thu 07-Nov-13 08:30:41

Nutella thanks

I cc'd, but if he was trying to sleep i stayed and held his hand. Actual howling means he needs something, shouting or moaning just means I Don't Want To. I don't push it if he's actually crying, i solve the problem

Daddy got first steps this morning envygringringrin

It's his nan on the other side (his last grandparent). I still have all my grandparents. Poor dp

MrsNutella Thu 07-Nov-13 08:41:56

Utopian & Lazza I'm still cuddling to sleep. We did try a bit of sleep training a few weeks ago and it seemed to pay off but then he got a horrible cold and we had the wedding so it was the route of least stress & most sleep!
Although DS has now settled into a sort of schedule, he wakes between midnight and about 2am and gets a small bottle and then wakes again between 4 & 5 ish and gets a second bottle. Often he sleeps until around 7. Sometimes he wakes around 6 and then we give him a third (or a bit of sneaky booby- while there is still a little something there) and he goes back off till 7/7:30. We can live definitely live with that at the moment.

Daytime naps - he usually has three x 30 minutes. Although the lunchtime one is sometimes longer he often still needs the late nap even if he slept for over an hour at lunch.

I will try and get a pic up on FB. Problem is the profi ones take 4-6 weeks to be ready... Will see what I can scrounge from friends profiles smile

MrsNutella Thu 07-Nov-13 09:02:36

Ok, pic is up on FB.

WLmum Thu 07-Nov-13 09:47:16

utopian glad you're feeling happier and have found a plan you can live with for now.
spotty thanks - I saw them last night so got the order in smile
pidj T regularly does 6/7 steps for DH but only 2/3 for me. Fair enough as dd1 walked for everyone except him and he was sad about being last to see. Shockingly I can't remember a thing about dd2 starting to walk (poor middle child!)
Beautiful pic mrs, you both look amazing, and the setting looks fab too.

lazzaroo Thu 07-Nov-13 10:01:01

Seriously now, does anyone understand my baby? Because she has become a mystery to me! She was up at 4.40am. Had 45 mins at 6.45am, so up again at 7.30am. Woke up screaming. Rubbing her eyes & yawning in car from pre-school to garage, but I though 'that's ok, we have a long walk home'. ONE HOUR later & we're home.....she is not asleep confused. So much for our catch up on sleep day. What the hell is going on?! Maybe it's something else making her whingey at home after all?! You'd think after 10months and second baby I'd be better at this by now sad

lazzaroo Thu 07-Nov-13 10:26:46

She has however just picked up my mobile phone, put it to her ear & muttered 'dada dada' smile. She can stay wink

Oh Lazza we all have those awful days. Sometimes they're utterly exhausted and yet they keep on and on. brew to you to keep you awake! Hope she's not too whingy.

DS on the other hand just did something amazing! We've been to the park as mummy was going out of her mind stuck inside for 5 days with a poorly baby and when we got back DS seemed happy enough in his pram. So I left him by the back door playing with the little plaits on his hat and he's only gone and self settled! He's asleep! I didn't have to rock/feed/cuddle him! In centuries to come villagers will write songs and rejoice when they remember this momentous day winkgrin

Equimum Thu 07-Nov-13 11:35:00

Congrarulations mrsNutella

Great stuff Willyou

Sorry about DPs Nan Spotty

DS doesn't really speak yet, but he seems to know when people are leaving and initiates waving (unless it's me who's leaving!). He also seems to use dada in context quite a bit.

We also have a wriggler and regularly do laps of the bedroom. I struggled for ages tiger his trousers on this morning. I then popped him in his travel cot while I got dressed, only for him to promptly remove said trousers and wave them at me shock. We'd also lost a sock before we left the house and a slipper by the time e arrived at nursery angry.

I feel your pain Equimum, DS has removed his silly little soft shoes 5 times today. I only got them as my mum kept saying how cold his feet would be in socks.

halestone Thu 07-Nov-13 14:39:48

Lazza sorry your having such a crap day after a crap nightthanks FX its getting better now.

Equimum, H waves at everyone leaving but me.

Utopian i'm glad you and DP have come up with a plan with your happy with.

We've just brought H's Birthday presents, a doll that goes in the bath and an activity table. Just got to buy her clothes now. I also brought her a walker for now so hopefully she'll leave my dad alone.

H has quite alot of words that she uses in the right context Hiya, dad, mum, nanna grandad, duck, dog, yes and no and she says tigs and tskk tsks when she see's cats. (Tigs is the neighbours cat that lets himself into our house alot, so now she thinks all cats are tigs)

halestone Thu 07-Nov-13 14:40:56

And yay to J for self settling, Willyou. I am very jealous i still rock to sleep with music.

WLmum Thu 07-Nov-13 14:58:04

Wow hales that's a lot of words! Think you're going to have a little chatterbox on your hands!

lazzaroo Thu 07-Nov-13 15:35:44

It has turned out to be a lovely day so far! Baby lazza eventually went down at 10.45am and slept for an hour & half. It makes such a difference. But I did nothing different so have ni way of controlling whether she'll sleep for 40mins or longer. So frustrating! We had lunch (she had lunch....I have just realised I didn't have anything! So all I've eaten today is 2 cakes blush) and then went out with friends. She's gone to sleep again in car in way home, so a much better day for naps.

Am now £300 worse off after paying for MOT & Service....better stay away from bargain thread tonight!

Impressive chatting hales

I am forever trying to find a pair of socks! I've got to the point where finding 2 that are vaguely similar is a success and will do the job!

PurplePidjin Thu 07-Nov-13 17:23:58

R wears tights

ISpyPlumPie Thu 07-Nov-13 17:54:28

Congratulations Mrs Nutella thanks

Yay to the walking Pidge and wow to all those words Hales

Sorry to hear about DP's nan Spotty sad

Glad you've agreed on a sleep plan Utopian and hope things improve for you soon Lazza. Well done to baby Willyou though - lets hope it catches on with his thread buddies!

N wears tights too. He kept pulling socks off and I could never find a matching pair either. Boots had a nice set of three pairs in navy and red, and they look just like socks when he's got trousers over them.

PurplePidjin Thu 07-Nov-13 18:00:32

99p in the 99p shop here wink

Maryland2013 Thu 07-Nov-13 19:18:11

Congrats mrs Nutella smile

Maryland2013 Thu 07-Nov-13 19:22:08

Wow Pidj walking ! smile
And Hales that is a LOT of words
Both v impressive.
DS just says dadda ALL the time, typical!! He just say mama too though and a funny sound at the cat which is always the same sound but not a real word IYSWIM.

hope those having sleep troubles get some respite soon..

Equimum Thu 07-Nov-13 19:22:23

Wow, Hales that's amazing!

fo little Pidge.

Keep meaning to buy some rights for DS. H&M do some really snazzy ones in boyish colours. They also sell felt slippers which cover the whole foot and secure with Velcro both sides - they take DS a while to get off wink.

Well, DS decided not to nap at nursery today and to only have a twenty nap this afternoon. He's just going down now, but I predict a foul night - fifty minutes sleep since 5.45am doesn't bode well!

Went to collect some of DSs presents today. We're doing a musical stocking with wooden maracas, castanets etc so I picked the remaining bits for that up. I then found TKMaxx had some great wooden toys in, so also got a stacking penguin and hammering bench. When I eventually got to Debwngams to collect what I'd ordered, it was in the most enormous bag confused and we were on the train!

these are a favourite in our house. Dd and ds both love them (thinking of birthdays etc)

lazzaroo Thu 07-Nov-13 21:06:01

That's good to know spotty, I ordered those a while ago for baby lazza's bday smile

FriendofDorothy Thu 07-Nov-13 22:25:24

I bought some of those from an NCT sale for £2. Bargain!

halestone Thu 07-Nov-13 23:19:01

Me and DP got an unexpected night to ourselves so went out for a meal and to the cinema. We watched Bad Grandpa we literally cried laughing. T'is very crude though but hilarious. I'm off now to enjoy a sleep which i'll wake naturally fromgrin

2blessed Fri 08-Nov-13 02:04:44

That looks great spotty

Yay to all the chatty and walking babies. R says dad and mum (when I'm not around). He is so cute and affectionate, I tend to use speaker phone so he can join in and he'll kiss the phone when I say ' say hello to granny'

Can't wait for 5pm! Work is ok, but best part of my day is picking up R. YHoping his diarrhoea has finally gone. Dr suggested removing dairy from his diet for a few weeks

utopian99 Fri 08-Nov-13 02:43:13

Hello and hurrah for R's steps pidj, and all the chatty babies. Despite tearing about like a mad thing these days O still has nothing I'd call words - lots of yaya/heya/baba etc but nothing else. He does have a very cute way of going 'hmm' to himself When examining something interesting though (like my hairbrush) hmm

We went to pick something up just before his normal supper/bed time and got a spectacular flat tyre so didn't get home till almost 9pm; the poor little man has therefore had only biscuits for supper as he was way too tired for anything but boob when we got back. Have just given him more as normally he doesn't go for milk in the night but I think today is a bit abnormal.

spotty I was thinking of those sound blocks - good to know they go down well. Also brio's magnetic stacking blocks, might treat the nursery to a lovely toy chest for christmas if I can find somerhing old to paint..

utopian99 Fri 08-Nov-13 02:46:08

Also your night out sounds great hales, my bro has offered baby sitting in a couple of weeks and we are very excited!

Lovely photo mrsnut! Looking forward to a few pro ones too when you get them - did mininut have a good day too?

We have clapping! grin

Barbeasty Fri 08-Nov-13 08:18:10

Welk done all the clever babies, and congratulations MrsNutella

When I put DD to bed last night she called me back so she could tell me something. She made me sit down, then whispered "Mummy, I want another Anthony."

Not happening! But I did tell her how happy it made me that she likes him enough to want another. And then we discussed where another one could go and that there weren't enough highchairs.

And the smile on A's face when he saw her this morning why were they both up at 5am was lovely. Long may it last!

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 10:13:47

That's lovely * beasty*. Dd1 wanted to give dd2 away to the pirates for such a long time but they both love T and I have had quite a few conversations with dd1 where she's said 'if we have another baby...' And I've said 'there won't be any more babies'! This has obviously led to an awkward line of questioning about how can I be sure there won't be anymore!

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 10:14:49

Torrential rain here so I'm just feeding T to a stupor then going to attempt a nap in her cot for just about the first time ever!

I'm off to ikea! I'm so excited after being in isolation with the sickly bambino for 6 days! Wahoo! I've even invited a baby group friend and we're making a day of it with a trip to a play barn place.

Congrats on the walkers, J's sti to scared to let go. He can stand unsupported and will let go though. Yay for clapping too spotty

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 12:03:57

Fab willyou so glad he's well enough to venture out.
T has been asleep for 1.5 hours so far! At this rate I'm going to have to wake her up for lunch before dd2s gym class.

MrsNutella Fri 08-Nov-13 14:29:36

Utopian mininut is a total people person (thank goodness) and was quite happy playing and being passed around for cuddles (mostly amongst my family who were all really excited to see him). Yes I'm really looking forward to some pro pics! But it'll be a little while yet.
We also had a photo booth, the results of which I can't wait to see!

Someone asked where we had the wedding - it was here in Germany. The venue was stunning and I'm so glad we chose it.

Spotty those blocks look really cool! I fancy getting something musical for DS I just hope it won't drive me insane

MrsNutella Fri 08-Nov-13 14:30:19

And thank you everyone for the congratulations!!!

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 19:34:06

Looks like we're heading into one nap a day territory. After. Lovely 2 hours late morning she hasn't been back to sleep. Has mostly been fine, bit whingey here and there and quite Velcro but that's quite normal. Challenge is going to be finding a good time slot to avoid preschool and school pick ups. Ah well at least being winter(ish) she'll be snuggled up in the pram with the rain cover on so might not get disturbed be preschool kicking out.

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 19:34:47

Mission for tonight is to knit the first mummy kangaroo a second back leg!

IsThatTrue Fri 08-Nov-13 20:17:55

Ds2 took his first steps today, 5/6 steps a few times. He was delighted with himself. Predictably he did it while DH is away in India sad

Congratulations on walking/clapping/talking babies.

And congratulations to mrsnutella and your DH! smile

We just went to a fireworks display and DS liked it for a while, then moaned on and off when the bangs were a bit loud. Thankfully we could go into the hall and get away from it while leaving the big kids to watch.

halestone Fri 08-Nov-13 22:32:27

Yay congratulations baby Isthatthanks

Also congratulations baby pidj thanks

WL i'm dreading H dropping a nap.

Willyou hope you had a lovely time at Ikea.

Utopian i hope you and DP enjoy your night out when your brother babysits.

H got dead excited today as my niece came home for a visit. When H is excited to see someone now she covers her mouth and cries. Its so cute.

halestone Fri 08-Nov-13 22:33:59

I forgot to say that beasty what your Dd said about A sounds lovely.

And spotty yay to clapping grin

WLmum Fri 08-Nov-13 22:46:28

Knitting mission accomplished!

Warning don't get slightly pissed and look at newborn baby pictures while snuggling your now big baby. May result in a small amount of tearing up!

My mum and dad have had J for a couple of hours. They got him to sleep at 11 (it's never any later than 8:30 for us), he's just got back up. Please god don't let this be the pattern for the night confused

Congrats on walking baby IsThat

Barbeasty Sat 09-Nov-13 07:21:40

Hope you got some sleep Willyou

A was wide awake just after 5, and I was downstairs with both DC just before 6.

My brother and his wife are coming this morning to see what they want from our baby stuff. Still haven't found the girl clothes (they haven't said what they're having).

A little thanks Beasty.

I'm having a rant here as if I don't I'll start an argument on fb. I've been going to the same baby group twice a week all year. They've organised a Christmas party and have put the details on fb yesterday saying that tickets will go on sale next week. A second message has gone on today saying that it's pretty much full now angry I asked WTF as obviously they said tickets would be on sale next week. And she said yes but some people have messaged me to say that they can't come to the sessions this week so I've reserved their tickets. So now there's hardly any left but these people are guaranteed one. Its really irritated me. Bastards!

I'm so cross. I've just had two complete nobs deliver my food shopping. They thought it was hilarious they were nearly an hour late and were so bloody rude.

Barbeasty Sat 09-Nov-13 17:21:20

Start your own rival Christmas party for those who can't get tickets!

DD chose her birthday and Christmas presents for Anthony today. A JoJo's jumper with a robin on it and some stickle bricks.

We're off to the fireworks later. See what A makes of them.

Oh and WillYou that's shit. Tell them you can't go either and can they reserve you some tickets. They should have told the other people that they can only reserve them once they've gone on sale ie after everyone who does go to the group that day has bought theirs

Barbeasty Sat 09-Nov-13 20:29:25

A loved the fireworks; DD still doesn't. It's funny how they're so different in things like this.

Beasty dd is too scared for fireworks as she hates loud noises so neither of them have ever even seen them!

WLmum Sat 09-Nov-13 20:36:15

spotty my big 2 have always been v scared of firework bangs and loud noises in general - this year I bought them some ear defenders (£7 from amazon) and they went to a dus

WLmum Sat 09-Nov-13 20:36:46

Doh - cold fingers! A display and loved it.

Excellent. I really want to take her. Also have the problem that ds can't stay awake past 6:30 dd's always been the same but I think she's getting better!

I'm tempted Beasty, especially as DS' birthdya is the 16th. I could just combine the 2.

DS' routine is all to cock. We left DS with my mum and dad last night and he only had 8h sleep all night then 4 hours of naps today. Now we can't get him into bed. And I've just been a twat and done exactly what I hate DP doing to me. I went in while he was doing bedtime and woke up DS just as he dropped off. In my defence DP always falls asleep doing bedtime except this time and I went to wake him and bring him down. blush

We have 2 more things to go to this month and I don't want to go now, it's not fair on DS and it's not fair on the babysitter. sad

DS hates loud noises, I didn't even try him with fireworks this year. Think I'll leave him a couple of years yet.

Barbeasty Sat 09-Nov-13 22:00:48

DD still hates things like the hoover, hairdryer and hand driers.

They put the music up really loud at this display, to drown out most of the bangs. But A was happy whatever.

He also likes the hoover etc.

Willyou someone for our playgroup has done a really nice Christmas party for a couple of years where every contributes a couple of pounds to cover the hire of the village hall, then it's bring & share party food. Someone dresses up as santa and you bring a wrapped present if you want them to get one. A few people bring some toys/music. It worked really well.

WLmum Sat 09-Nov-13 22:57:31

willyou that's outrageous! I'd be mega pissed off.

Beasty ds loves the Hoover! He tried to climb on it and lick it hmm

I have no idea why I'm awake....

Ds was just trying to comb his hair with my comb grin

ddas Sun 10-Nov-13 09:38:34

Aw dd tries but it's combing her head not hair as still pretty much hairless- that & her size makes her look like she's 6 months- very cute smile

willyou sounds all very cliquey- I'd be annoyed.

Dd terrified of the fireworks but ds loves them so us girls stayed at home.

Think I need to try and spend more quality time just ds & me. When we're together as a family a lot of the time it's dh running after ds & me dd as she's the baby. But now she getting older & doesn't need boob all the time think we need to mix it up a bit. Would be good for dh to bond more with dh too as she's really clingy with me (she gets very jealous if ds has a cuddle with me and tries to push him off- we'll have to nip that one in the bud!!)

Barbeasty Sun 10-Nov-13 11:15:50

ddas I know what you mean about the split. I've got another week off at the end of the month and I think I will ask MIL if she can have DS on his own for a day so I can spend a day with DD on her own.

A woke up at 2.30 am and started whinging. I looked around the bed and got confused that he wasn't there. Then I realised he was still in the cot & I'd had 4 hours sleep- best night in ages!

I've finished applying for DD's school place and filled in the supplementary forms. We've managed to have 3 out of our 4 choices which had them.

And the ham is cooked and dauphenoise potatoes are nearly ready. Yum.

ISpyPlumPie Sun 10-Nov-13 13:55:30

ddas - I've been trying to spend a bit more one to one time with DS1 as well. When N had one of his settling in sessions at nursery, we went out for lunch together and I've got tickets for us to go and see a panto in a few weeks. Much as he (generally) loves playing with N, I think he does appreciate having some special things just for him too.

Beasty - we've just got DS1's school application stuff (they do things more slowly here grin). We get three choices and all of ours will be C of E schools. The Vicar has filled in the supplemental form for the Church we attend, but I'm not sure how it works for the other two. Presumably we'd come under the category of 'regular worshipers at another Church' but would this be evidenced by the form we've already had filled in, or would they each need their own form completing confused. Hopefully it will all be academic as there's only a handful of children who regularly attend our Church, so DS1 should get a place but I really don't want to take it for granted. Best get researching....

lazzaroo Sun 10-Nov-13 18:01:00

We're doing school applications too! It's scary! And have been talking about getting baby lazza into nursery in the new year. My mum has her at the moment.

willyou I know what you mean about routines. I have gone out twice in 10 months & both times baby lazza has been awake when .I got home. Leaving me with the fallout & wondering if it's worth it!!

I'm not brave enough to post in AIBU but I'm a bit put out by the in- laws. They live a fair way away (3 hour drive) so we don't see them all that often. Dh is going up for a wedding next weekend (kids nt invited so I'm not going) & staying at theirs. He thought it might be nice for dd1 to go & spend some time with them. They said they can't because they have a quiz night that night so wouldn't be able to babysit confused

I've got to do school application too sob sob...my poor baby!

Ds is trying soooo hard to say dd's it's so cute!

Lazza I expect that is an excuse. Maybe they don't feel able to or don't want the responsibility. If I were you I would feel offended but I'm sure they have the best intentions smile

lazzaroo Sun 10-Nov-13 18:11:01

You're probably right spotty, but she's nearly 4 & really no trouble. I just get a bit sad because I know they wouldn't hesitate to babysit their 2 year old grandson.

Baby lazza is already in bed again. I tried to get her to have a late afternoon nap, but despite being whingey & me taking her for a long walk she wouldn't sleep. Naps have gone to shit! Help!

PurplePidjin Sun 10-Nov-13 18:38:51

Spotty I'd be fuming angry it winds me up when I'm shattered and my mum won't take him to the park for an hour so i can catch up on housework - she's 10 minutes up the road and we see her at least once a week. 3 hours away, sporadic contact and bias in favour of another grandchild just isn't cricket!

Lazza roll with it? 2 naps a day and a 6pm bed time gives you your evenings back wink I'm often in bed by 8

lazzaroo Sun 10-Nov-13 19:50:25

I'm trying to pidj, it's the 4.30/5am starts that I'm struggling with. I thought that if I could stop her being over-tired by bedtime it might help with the early starts. Bedtime is easy peasy & leaves me being able to have some time with dd1 before she goes to sleep. Guess we can't have it all!

WLmum Sun 10-Nov-13 20:05:50

lazza I'd be sad and cross too. My mil whilst on the whole is great and has the dds lots and has a fab relationship with them, never stays to dinner or to do their bath and bed as she 'has to get home to do fils tea'. He can't wait or microwave his own meal (pretty much all they eat is m&s ready meals!) once in a while?

I'm just pouring a large glass of wine. I was horrid mummy and shouted at dd2 for dropping yet another full cup of juice off the table (it feels like she drops a full cup/bowl etc off the table every day atm) and then at dd1 for going on and on and on about me opening the new ketchup whilst I was on my hands and knees under the table wiping up. Shouty mummy = 3 crying children and feelings of guilt. And they've been really good today. In my defense I was up a lot last night - dd1 once, dd2 twice and dd3 once.

WLmum Sun 10-Nov-13 20:11:40

In other news, T is now doing a passable 'quack' to add to her snort. That girl does love old macdonald!

Barbeasty Sun 10-Nov-13 20:45:20

That's sweet WL and it's incredibly easy to become shouty mum when they gang up like that!

We've got 2 Catholic schools, of which it will take a mistake somewhere for DD to not get in, and then the village school is CofE. The next village along is a community school. It's just all the forms! The council bit was easy by comparison.

And yes Spotty so young! Although she's keen to go already.

WLmum Sun 10-Nov-13 21:48:26

Yep I've done forms for dd2. Having done it once before doesn't make it any easier, I still cried when she started pre-school. I've applied for a place for dd1 at the junior school that's attached to the infant school that dd2 will most likely (bloody hopefully) will go to. She's been

WLmum Sun 10-Nov-13 21:49:05

On the waitlist for the infants for 3 years!

We will have no problems getting dd into our catchment school. It's a community one (and a forest school). There's never a problem with schools round here though and there's only CofE or community. Dd wants to go now too I'm really worried about it, what if someone's mean to her?!

ISpyPlumPie Mon 11-Nov-13 09:42:14

I can really empathise WL and I've only got two of them to deal with. DS1 is incapable of letting A Thing drop, and will keep making the same request in sn increasingly whiney voice at exactly the same time as N is screaming/heading towards something hazardous.

Have a teething boy who's also full of a cold sad

Just about to mske Ds1's cake ready for his birthday tomorrow. Can't believe it's 4 years today since I was sat in the hospital deciding whether to agree to eviction proceedings!

FriendofDorothy Mon 11-Nov-13 10:49:04

I am back at work today. It's going ok, so far.

Rather typically though I noticed that The Little Mister has spots all over his bum and on his hands. He has either got chicken pox, or hand, foot and mouth. Terrible timing. I have been off work for 6 weeks and he comes down with is now! Fortunately the childminder is happy to take him anyway.

halestone Mon 11-Nov-13 10:51:32

Willyou, i hope you've sorted tickets to the christmas party now, but if you haven't i would be tempted to go with Beasty's idea of throwing a rival party.

Lazza, could you ask your IL's if they feel nervous about having DD. They maybe scared of doing something wrong.

Good luck everyone with the school applications.

Ispy i hope DS's cake turns out nice.

In other news H fell asleep at 10pm last night and only woke up at 9:25 this morning grin. She did get fidgety about 5am so i changed her nappy while she was asleep, and the fidgeting stopped.

halestone Mon 11-Nov-13 10:52:48

Oh FoD i hope DS is ok and that your first day back goes wellthanks

halestone Mon 11-Nov-13 10:53:11

Oh FoD i hope DS is ok and that your first day back goes wellthanks

Fod chicken pox usually starts on the torso I think. Poor ds there's a lot of h,f & m round at the moment.

Hope works going ok smile

Barbeasty Mon 11-Nov-13 11:42:51

Oh FoD they know how to time it, don't they.

A has surpassed himself in the disgusting stakes today. I thought he was chewing on tumble dryer fluff or something. But no, it was a snail. Vile child!

And then he purposely tipped DD's glass of water onto the floor.

Ah well, he can always eat some playdoh at playgroup. ...

halestone Mon 11-Nov-13 11:58:07

Hahaha Beasty that has made me gigglegrin

PurplePidjin Mon 11-Nov-13 12:26:13

Scrambled egg with spinach on onion bagel is a healthy lunch right? The 12 month growth spurt is upon us with accompanying night wakings <yawn>

MrsNutella Mon 11-Nov-13 12:30:32

Fod poor little mister! Hope he's ok. And I hope that being back at work is going well.

beasty eeeeewwww gross! I have to ask; where did he get the snail?

School applications all sound very scary... And so far off. I'm sure it will all happen all too soon though.

I'm a bit worried about tiny man. He isn't eating terribly well, breakfast was mostly refused and linch has been four slices of bread and butter (baguette size slice), because he won't eat anything else. Also he has (sorry TMI) slightly white/pale poo... I'm debating taking him to the dr. Although they don't open again until 15:00 (12:00 -15:00 lunch break anyone?!)... He is usual cheeky self otherwise.

Barbeasty Mon 11-Nov-13 12:56:40

He was fiddling with the cat flap between the kitchen and the conservatory, and it must have made it into the conservatory somehow (we don't have cats, but the previous owners did).

He just stole some chocolate that DD left lying around. Maybe that will teach her....

WLmum Mon 11-Nov-13 13:15:27

I did apologise to them at bedtime and explained why I was cross.
spotty I really worried about dd1 as she always came off badly at toddler groups etc and she's so very sensitive ans i dont particularly like the school shes at but touch wood so far so good.

halestone Mon 11-Nov-13 14:30:40

Nutella i would probably take him the drs about his poo and if you think his appetite is off.

WL my mum use to apologise to us of a night and explain why she got upset when we were younger. I think it always worked out well plus i have a great relationship with my mum now.

lazzaroo Mon 11-Nov-13 18:01:54

Bloody he'll, just lost massive post! Try again...

beasty that's gross & probably would have made me throw up!

fod how's your little one? And you nutella? did you go to doctors?

hales, I did suggest to dh that we(he!) talk to them about it but he says he doesn't want them to feel obligated. And if they really would just prefer to go to the quiz nigh & it's not just an excuse, it'd be pretty awkward. I'm just glad we asked before mentioning it to DD.

He's just punched me in the eye again! Never have I come so fucking close to losing it. I am calm now but I had a moment of scary pure rage at how hard he was fighting despite being utterly exhausted sad

WLmum Mon 11-Nov-13 21:24:08

Thanks hales that's great to know. I've still been feeling a bit guilty today though - dd2 is only 3 and I'm a grown up (supposedly).
beasty good to know T has a yuk rival. Just like A she likes to play with the toilet brush and nappy buckets, as well as slugs. Found her with the top of a tin can she'd lifted from the recycling bin yesterday.
fod hope work is ok and the lo is feeling ok. Dd2 had h,f&m last year and wasn't that poorly.
willyou you need to start establishing some fight club rules!

WLmum Mon 11-Nov-13 22:34:50

Poor buba T is suffering with teeth. Have just administered nurofen and now boob.

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 00:05:54

H has finally just gone down, her sleep is so hit and miss and there is absolutely no routine to it.

Willyou i hope your eye is ok, could you invest in some goggles for protection haha.

WL i hope T isn't too troubled by her teeth.

Ds has a sick bug. Four times in 35 minutes sad

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 00:35:59

Spotty i hope he's ok thanks and that you are as well.

He's been up being sick all night. I've had a few hours sleep in dd's bed blush he's happy in himself when he isn't being sick. I've got to go to work now hmm

Barbeasty Tue 12-Nov-13 08:05:40

Oh poor baby spotty.

A wouldn't go to sleep yesterday. I was breastfeeding him when DH brought my dinner in (bless him, he'd cut it up for me). A sat up and started trying to take my food. I had to keep giving him fork fulls of potato to keep him away from the rest!

He's got a really horrible cough and cold now though, so I'm just waiting to catch it and need more medication! So long as it's before my maternity exemption expires .....

FriendofDorothy Tue 12-Nov-13 08:46:50

The Little Mister is ok, doesn't seem very poorly other than being a bit spotty. I am pretty sure he has H, F & M. The beneftis of him going to a childminder not a nursery are that she will still take him. Phew!

Oh sorry about the poor poorly babies FoD, spotty, Beasty and WL. I hope they feel better soon. I hope the work days aren't too hard for you either.

poor you Hales, I used to hate it when DS went down really late. I never got anything done.

J has still got his nasty cough. It's inly really bad at night but when it starts it makes him whoop. I shit myself at first thinking it was whooping cough but I think it's just a bad cough.

I have another scratch on my eyeball. Does anyone know of a boarding school that will take a 10 month old? wink

jackandjilly Tue 12-Nov-13 09:32:22

Oh no, sorry to hear of poorly babies. J has a cold and sick bug too. He puked in my freshly washed hair last nightconfused I'm off work with him today. Fx they all get better soon.

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 11:41:10

Wow theres alot of poorly babies at the moment i hope their all ok. And that all you mums are also ok.thanks And wine to you all.

Willyou everytime i get her sleep sorted a spanner is thrown into the works. Like at the moment she has been in our bed for about a month which means i go to bed when she does. Or if DP is hone its a very uncomfy night. I think i'm going to leave it for now as we go to Centre Parcs soon so i'll try and change it after that.

Happy Birthday to your oldest DS Ispygrinthanks. Hope the cake is lovely.

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 14:03:03

Arghhh today is very much a cake and chocolate day H won't stop crying or whining.

Also seeing the news about paying women to breastfeed has made me angry

Nice Jack, DS did that to me last week. The glamourous life of a mother!

You know what mn says about Centre Parcs Hales grin. Are you going for a Santa visit or will it not be on at the one you're going to?

I've also had to stop reading the AIBU thread about it Hales as it annoyed me too much.

Happy birthday to DS1 ISpy I am here for you if you need to dispose of some cake!

My boobs have filled up, they were a little bit empty before but feel engorged (I havent bf for >9 months now). Tis very odd.

Ds hasn't been sick again but has had two bouts of diarrhoea. He's slept lots today and is still really tired but his happy self!

Sorry to hear of other poorly babies

PurplePidjin Tue 12-Nov-13 17:06:39

brew and cake for mummies of poorly babies

R is cutting molars, his poos are vile and he's up at 4:45 in the morning but his naps are epic (for him)!

I bought bits for his birthday cake one of them today hmm

ISpyPlumPie Tue 12-Nov-13 18:27:00

thanks for all the poorly babies. I took my poorly little chap to the doctors this morning as he was sounding wheezy and had a temp of 38.9 overnight. His chest and throat are clear so it's a virus combined with teething. We've just got to carry on calpoling. He's not too bad in himself in the daytime at least.

Thanks for the birthday wishes for DS1. He's had a brilliant day playing with all his new toys and we had family round for birthday tea (soft play party on Saturday - eek!). As requested I made a purple firebreathing dragon cake (don't ask) but I thought using a chef's blow torch for the flames mightvbe a bit high risk so we comprised with candles.

Maryland2013 Tue 12-Nov-13 18:35:01

Wow everyone is poorly... Hope all babies get better soon.

Willyou we've been given an inhaler today for DSs cough.. He was definitely wheezing after his (2 hour) coughing fit last night. The coughing is horrific but viral apparently.

What's the debate is AIBU? Is it £200 they're paying people to breast feed? Obviously it's everyone's choice but bribery?! Is that the way to go? Hmmm..

I am dreading molars, people keep warning me about them sad

WLmum Tue 12-Nov-13 21:02:39

So sorry for all the poorly babies and mummies.

I'm having a not enough hours in the day/week day. I've been feeling a bit stressed/frustrated but am now remembering the Philippines and actually my life is sweet. Read a story in the metro about a young woman who swum to a wrecked airport to give birth. Texting metro to 70000 donates £5.

BopsX3 Tue 12-Nov-13 21:08:53

Hi everyone, sorry I've been MIA for a while.

How's everyone doing? I've read there's a few poorly babies sad hope they all get better soon!

Everything still pretty much the same here. Oliver still isn't walking or crawling confused he isn't even pulling himself up or going from lying to sitting and visa versa. He's extremely lazy!

Has anyone made birthday plans yet? I think ill just be going for a meal with my family, hopefully somewhere with a soft play area or such like for the DSs

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 22:07:02

Willyou i have just read what mn says about centre parcs haha that won't be happening. I have booked the sleigh ride and santa visit though, i can't wait.

halestone Tue 12-Nov-13 22:12:45

Sorry i forgot what else i was going to typeblush

Maryland basically a university are trialling giving mothers £200 in shopping vouchers if they continue to bf for 6 months. My personal view is that money could better be spent on education about bf in schools so that it becomes more acceptable to a new generation and also could be better spent supporting mothers who have a difficult time. The AIBU thread seems split about it though.

Hi Bopgrin you just obviously have a very chilled laid back boy. For H's first birthday we're just seeing family really and i may make a cake. and hope no one gets food poisoning

PurplePidjin Tue 12-Nov-13 22:23:13

R's birthday is next Tuesday

WLmum Tue 12-Nov-13 22:33:24

We've just had to decline an invitation to Ts special birthday twin - next to each other in hospital, same bday, same name! As it clashes with dd1&2s swimming lessons and DH is working so I have to take them and be in the water with dd2. Such a shame.

I need to sleep but am seriously irritated by this Christmas party situation! I saw the woman and explained that my friend (who I go with) is working that week and can only do the original day. She told me oh don't worry I've saved her a ticket, I just love little XX and would hate for him to miss out.

So now I'm even more annoyed on J's behalf that she obviously doesn't give a fuck if we miss out.

I've sent her a cheeky message asking if she's also saved me one as I'll be paying for friend's little boy too. But no reply. Tickets go on sale tomorrow. I have a feeling there's going to be fireworks.

J and I are in the spare bed. He keeps coughing himself awake in his cot.

jackandjilly Wed 13-Nov-13 08:50:43

Willyou I am enraged on your behalfangry she sounds lovely!!!!

halestone Wed 13-Nov-13 11:00:33

Willyou, thats disgusting, i hope you've managed to sort it out today.

Also i hope the poorly babies are better today.

PurplePidjin Wed 13-Nov-13 13:18:30

WillYou, that's outrageous angry

The advantage to molars is the epic napping. Managed to get R off my back into the car seat, home then upstairs out of his coat and shoes for another half hour in his cot shock

Ds slept for 2.5 hours earlier and only woke up as I was checking on him (stupid noisy door!) he's currently having fun with an empty wrapping paper roll, he's so cuddly atm.

WillYou let us know what happens, I hate cliquey things like that angry

halestone Wed 13-Nov-13 13:47:25

Molars are not equalling epic napping here Pidj we had an awful time with them. Therefore i am very envy of you, although her other teeth where easy and did equal epic napping its all swings and roundabouts i suppose.

Spotty yay to that napgrin

I have currently been trying to get H to have a nap for over an hour. I hate when they fight their sleep! She can barely keep her eyes open yet she can scream and also headbutt and pinch me grrr! Typical shes like this on one of the days my dad is actually well enough to be out of bed. I have made her some more herbal tea hopefully she'll fall asleep now!

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 13:55:44

No sign of molars here yet, but I'm looking forward to the epic napping... grin Oliver only has about 45 mins in the afternoon at the moment but he sleeps well at night so I can't complain really.

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 13:57:18

Willyou I haven't caught up with the tread yet so don't know the full story, but it sounds as though that woman's a bitch!

Ds only has two teeth! Still on two naps a day too...(sorry!)

Barbeasty Wed 13-Nov-13 14:27:29

4 teeth, random naps!

Another late night last night, but he fell asleep just before dinner.

When I came out of the bathroom this morning DD was waiting by the door and said there was a strange noise in the lounge. She wouldn't let me go and check in case it was a monster. Bless.

Oh yesterday dd said 'mummy, that frigging gate hurt my arm again' blushdon't know where she gets it from hmm

Got it sorted! Allegedly she'd reserved me a ticket. Only thing was she couldn't find it and then the tcket she gave me had someone else's name on. hmm Then again my friend's one also had someone else's name on!

What a shambles WillYou!

Dd now has sickness bug. She was sick all down herself and car seat. I had to pull over to clean her up and it got on my uggs angry I didn't have any wipes or even a muslin!

Maryland2013 Wed 13-Nov-13 16:00:05

Talc on the uggs Spotty to soak it up then brush it off tomorrow with suede/ sheepskin brush! Don't wipe them!

Luckily it was just one lump (sorry!) but that's a great tip thanks! She's just been sick again but we managed to get it in the bowl. Ds tried to inspect it and I only just managed to stop him putting his hand in it! Eugh I can't handle sick!

Oh no now dp has got it! There's no hope for me is there??

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 16:26:05

Spotty DS2 has been off school today with vomiting, as have 6 other children just in his class confused. I was up 4 times in the night with him and he threw up all over Oliver at tea time yesterday and all over me at dinner time today hmm confused shock. Hoping he'll be ok tomorrow though and it's just a 24hr thing (fingers crossed). But I can see it passing on to me, Oliver and/or DS1 too sad

With ds it was sickness over night then diarrhoea the next day but fine after that so I'm thinking just 24 hours? I know there's lots going round sad

Posted too soon....

Your poor ds2 it's really not nice for them but worse for you as you had to clear it all up wink

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 17:18:36

Eurgh its awful isn't it spotty confused I can't stand it. I was almost throwing up myself before when I was trying to take my top off (which DS2 had just vommed all over). Then it ended up in my hair and everything. Don't think I've ever run for the shower as fast before in my life haha grin

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 17:19:16

Sorry, that's probably TMI! Haha

PurplePidjin Wed 13-Nov-13 17:26:56

We're normally 2x40 minute naps at 10:30 and 1:30ish, today has been 1x90 minute and it's showing - dp's home early on time and is fighting a shouty baby into his pyjamas sad i wish these teeth would just hurry up and cut sad

Ds usually has two 90 minute naps but often one of them is more two hours.

Dd's still being sick dp is in bed. I'm really hoping I don't get it. Anyone with older dc what were they like first time they had diarrhoea, is it going to be as bad as I think?

I've got it now!

Maryland2013 Wed 13-Nov-13 19:41:51

Oh no spotty sad

WLmum Wed 13-Nov-13 19:55:50

Oh no spotty. Diarrhoea in 3 year olds isn't great. Keep a potty in her room so she can hop on quick if she gets enough warning. Tbh my big 2 only had it rarely and I don't think it was ever much not on the loo.

I can see Ts 2 top front teeth about to cut (that will make a grand total of 4). Naps are mostly 2 per day with one about 30 mins and one an hour + but I think we're slowly moving over to one as she can stay awake beautifully most of the morning if there's something exciting going on.

BopsX3 Wed 13-Nov-13 20:21:12

Spotty, only tip I have really is to make sure they're wearing pants that are easy to remove, ie- no buttons, zips etc. grin

I wish Oliver would sleep more during the day sad I feel as though I don't get any time to myself at the moment as I tend to catch up on housework when the boys are In bed. With him only sleeping about 45 mins ish in the afternoon I get chance to have a brew in peace then maybe a quick tidy up downstairs then he's awake again.

Oh poor Spotty household, I hope it's quick and mild for you all.

Pidj can you post your biscuit recipe again please?

ISpyPlumPie Wed 13-Nov-13 21:21:31

Spotty hope you all recover quickly. Also hope everyone in the Bops household is ok now too.

We are transitioning from two naps a day to one. I don't think it's always advisable for him to drop his morning nap tbh, but he won't be told grin.

Today was the first time I felt properly guilty about going back to work since having N. I was terrible last time round, but this time I just accept that we can't really afford for me not to work and also that I shouldn't feel bad about trying to preserve a career. This morning he was being super clingy though due to his cold and teething, and was so upset when I left him. He's actually been fine all day but I just felt so bad. I know I wouldn't have a job for long if I took a day off every time he had a cold, and that when he's well I actually think he benefits from spending some time at nursery but it is hard leaving him like that sad

Maryland2013 Wed 13-Nov-13 21:35:08

For those of you with older DCs when do they normally change from multiple naps to one long (ish) one? My friends baby is nearly 15 mths and has to be woken up from a 3 hour nap from 10am ish

Bops how does that sound?!

I'm trying to get the nursery to enforce 2 naps but there's so much going on I think he would do better with one around lunchtime rather than half an hr am and total refusal PM!

Maryland2013 Wed 13-Nov-13 21:39:17

Oh Ispy you shouldn't beat yourself up! As parents we have to make difficult decisions and although I'd love to stay home it's just not financially viable so we have to do what we have to do. I feel bad too but I'd feel worse if we lived in a tiny house with no room in a not very nice area with crappy schools just so I can stay home.
You're providing smile that's a good mum!
And yes think of the benefits of nursery aside from the work thing... Sometimes I think DS has much more fun at nursery with all the activities going on - I can't compete with all that!

ISpyPlumPie Wed 13-Nov-13 23:34:40

Thanks Maryland. I should know by now that feeling guilty comes with the territory.

Not sure about naps. Really can't remember with DS1. Think it was around the time he turned 1 but can't be certain. Not very helpful sorry!

WLmum Wed 13-Nov-13 23:44:51

I think you feel a certain amount of guilt whatever decisions you make/situation you are in - yep ispy goes with the territory. Our babies are loved and cared for and at the centre of our worlds - nothing to feel guilty about really!

hales sorry to hear your dad is still so poorly - for some reason I thought he'd had an op and was rather better.

WLmum Wed 13-Nov-13 23:45:24

Sorry posted too soon - hope he/you are ok.

WLmum Wed 13-Nov-13 23:47:05

I think you have to judge the dropping a nap according to the child - I know some babies who stopped napping altogether at 1 and other who still had a couple of hours at 4!

Mine's down to 1 nap already. He had had 1 2 hour afternoon nap since he turned 9 months.

A nap in the morning can be forced of we desperately need to do something during his usual nap time but it'll only be 40 mins, there will be no 2nd nap and 5-7pm is horrific! grin

DP promised to do the late night feed, and yet here I am.

Well dd stopped being sick about midnight and dp wasn't sick again. I was every 1-2 hours from 8pm until 5am. My kidneys really hurt too. First sick bug in about eight years!

jackandjilly Thu 14-Nov-13 07:57:50

Oh no spottyhmm

My dd and dh have it now too. Dd came running in at 4.30 having been sick in her room and mine! She woke up ds too. Looks like its me next.

Pre sick bug we are on two naps. 30-40 mins around 9 and 1hour+ after lunch.

PurplePidjin Thu 14-Nov-13 08:27:16

1/2 cup cereal
1/2 cup apple juice
3/4 cup plain flour
1/4 tsp ginger

Mix, roll, cut into small shapes. I need to investigate cooking times and temperatures, high+fast gives chewy biccies i think low+slow might give crunchy ones?

Oh poor them jacksad I've just been sick again. Need to decide about work tomorrow really....

Barbeasty Thu 14-Nov-13 08:28:17

Oh no. Hope you're all better soon.

A was awake until about 22.30 last night. He was happy, just not sleeping.

He seems to have one big nap at about 11.30/12, but fell asleep in the car on the way home from nursery. And I let him so I could put DD to bed. Lesson learnt until next time

We got the CD of nursery photos yesterday, and saw the swimming ones and have ordered the CD of those too. Really lovely, so just need to get the frames to give them as Christmas presents.

BopsX3 Thu 14-Nov-13 09:24:10

DS2 is fine now and is back in school so it was only a 24 hour thing. Hope I don't catch it confused it's awful when I'm ill because I'm a single parent, I still have to do everything I normally would no matter how I feel sad hope everyone feels better soon x

jackandjilly Thu 14-Nov-13 10:41:13

I wouldn't go in spotty. Hope you feel better soon.

Fx you don't catch it bops. I hope I miss out toosmile

Well we have all been to bed for an hour. Woke up to find my friend had left a leap frog table outside for ds. That should keep him out of the sick bowls!!! grin

Poor poorly babies and mummies. If I were you Spotty id ring in sick, especially with it being a HCP setting.

Thanks Pidj, I shall try them out. I'm off to aldi later so will get some baby cereal.

Jamie has just farted and pooed all over his clothes. It (and this is major TMI) smells like teething poo, but I'm not sure if stomach bug poo would smell the same? His nose is streaming and he's discovered that he can suck snot off his top lip. Babies ming!

While discussing poo I have a question, MiL told me last week that Jamie is constipated as his poo isn't runny any more. But he's on 3 meals and 2 snacks per day now and only 2-3 bottles. Surely his poo will be increasingly solid as he's eating solids?

jackandjilly Thu 14-Nov-13 10:41:52

Post a swimming pic on fb barbeasty!

Barbeasty Thu 14-Nov-13 11:10:19

I'll put a picture up when we get the swimming ones. I can only see the proofs online with "sample" all across them.

But (I think) I've linked to our swimming company's fb page, which has DD as their cover photo at the moment.

WLmum Thu 14-Nov-13 11:21:56

willyou his poo will likely smell the same ish as the smell is caused by it moving too fast through his system. Ts poo has been solid or semi solid for ages now depending on any given days ratio of food to milk. He's only constipated if he's having trouble going or the stool is really hard.

T decided 4.45 was morning today. Alright for her having a 2 hour nap this morning. I didn't get to bed til 12 then a feed at 2.30. May be a bit done in by tea time - and I'm making something new so they'll probably all complain but its time to expand the family tee menu'

WLmum Thu 14-Nov-13 11:25:28

pidj those biscuits sound fab - think I'll give them a try with porridge oats. What sort of cereal do you use?

Equimum Thu 14-Nov-13 11:49:13

Sorry for all the poorly mummies, babies etc. these bugs sound horrible!

Willyou Wen I was driving last week, DS sneezed twice and I could see streaks of snot in the mirror. Next thing, he was suckin gthem into mouth and licking his top lip. I felt quite positively sick! On another note, DSs poo is definitely quite solid now he's eating lots of food. He doesn't appear to be straining excessively and they're not like rocks, so I was assuming that was normal.

BopsX3 Thu 14-Nov-13 11:58:22

Willyou I was told a while ago with one of my older DSs that they're constipated if its coming out like rabbit poo. Small pellet type things haha sorry tmi. Hope this helps in some way. Not sure if they're still giving that advice or not though

Willyou when ds isn't ill it teething he has solid poo and I put it down the toilet.

Starting to feel slightly better but struggling with the diabetes. Phoned in sick and good job as my poor step mum has it now. I feel awful.

Is it cruel that we've given ds a bottle and only some grapes and an oatie bar for lunch? The thought of food is just too much blush

jackandjilly Thu 14-Nov-13 13:59:33

Spotty that's good by my standards and I'm not even ill!! Ds has had skips and boob so far!

halestone Thu 14-Nov-13 16:49:41

Sorry about all the sickness and diarrhoea, i hope everyone is feeling better soon.

H has done rabbit dropping poo for ages she has 2-3 poos a day though i just assumed this was normal. I am wrong and she is in fact constipated she doesn't seem to strain to get it out but i can tell when shes having a poo.

WL my dad is mostly better he's in remission from his kidney disease but they wouldn't let him have heart surgery due to them thinking that it probably won't help him. Someone elses dad had heart surgery on this thread though. He just isn't very mobile and struggles because of joint problems. He is like a walking sick note everything that can has gone wrong in him.

I'm still being sick every hour. Green bile (sorry tmi) does anyone have any advice? Everyone was fine after a few hours but I'm nearing on 24 sad

PurplePidjin Thu 14-Nov-13 17:38:18

I used ground rice today, just whatever's in the cupboard! Los+slow+not too thin, today's batch are a bit crispy (30 mins @ 150*)

PurplePidjin Thu 14-Nov-13 17:39:49
halestone Thu 14-Nov-13 17:43:34

Just make sure you keep hydrated spotty plenty of water or even flat lemonade. I hope your feeling better soonthanks

Maryland2013 Thu 14-Nov-13 18:14:22

I second flat lemonade it really does help. I hate sickness bugs I had a 24 hr one last week- hope you're all better soon.

DS poo is solid too now really. I was told that constipation = rabbit droppings poos so if we have this I up his water and sometimes give diluted orange juice and it sorts it out straight away. I think it would be more of an issue NOT to have solid poo now with all their food??

WLmum Thu 14-Nov-13 20:26:09

I would have thought so too maryland
spotty you poor thing. If you can bear it a few spoons of plain boiled rice and apple purée - the brat (bananas, rice, apple and ??) is recommended by Gps. Dioralyte is excellent for rehydration - a syringe full every 10 mins, then if you're not sick for an hour up it to every 5 mins.

lazzaroo Thu 14-Nov-13 21:04:41

Sorry to read of so much sickness, hope everyone feeling better soon.

I think the 't' might be toast!

WLmum Thu 14-Nov-13 21:25:25

That's what sprung to mind lazza but I wasn't sure. I'm busy procrastinating. Really need to get on!

WLmum Thu 14-Nov-13 23:41:13

T seems decidedly snotty. Boo

Enormous teething poo at 4am, every mother's dream! I now have a totally wide awake baby screaming with laughter and DP has to be up in under an hour hmm. Take pity on me J, please?

Hmm no such luck, he's just done another sickly smelling poo. Today I will mostly be sleeping when he sleeps and will not be going to swimtots as planned!

Sob another poo! My poor baby. please let it be teething so I don't get it too

ddas Fri 15-Nov-13 06:00:48

Wish dd would learn to sleep past 5.30! So tired- think need to accept she's going to always wake up early and go to bed early myself.
Honey saw your scan fb picture- guess 12 wk scan? Glad all well. Can't remember who else was due in may- stacks & seconds?? If you're still reading the thread hope all's well.

ddas Fri 15-Nov-13 06:04:07

Oh no so willyou . So much d&v going round. Hope everyone else with sickness is getting better. spotty you were saying you're still being sick- maybe now diabetes related? Guessing you're keeping an eye on your sugars.

jackandjilly Fri 15-Nov-13 07:10:05

Now it's my turnhmm

Barbeasty Fri 15-Nov-13 07:29:38

Hope all this sickness clears up quickly and doesn't come my way

We've got colds and coughs instead.

I'm shattered, but at least it's Friday. I'm just hoping my site visit finishes in good time and that I get an early finish.

I need to get an anniversary card for DH, it's 11 years tomorrow. Must not forget! I bought the present yesterday. At least it's his turn to take me out for dinner this year.

PurplePidjin Fri 15-Nov-13 08:01:08

We had one at 4:15 WillYou he eventually went back to sleep at 5:30 and is still slumbering my birthday lie in hmm

Solidarity with the early pooers! He was up 4-7 pooing copiously and then I wrestled him back to sleep until 10. Even though we were up for those 3 hours in the middle, 10am feels lile an awesome lie in.

There's just been yet another squelch in the nappy region. I may throw him straight under the shower as his bum looks a bit sore.

Get well soon Jack. How are you today Spotty?

Barbeasty Fri 15-Nov-13 10:30:31

A hasn't pooed for a couple of days (definitely not Wednesday or Thursday) so I'm hoping he'll do it for granny today.

On the train on my way back now. So fingers crossed I'll get my early finish. Just so long as those pesky trains run to time ....

Oh no jacks. I'm starting to get there not been sick since four. I felt so ill last night I nearly begged to go to hospital so they could take care of the diabetes and I could just concentrate on feeling better. Having high sugar levels just makes it worse. Now i have awful heartburn!

Sorry for me me me I have read your posts just not really with it. Dc slept until 7:30....

Happy birthday Pidj wine and cake for you!

Hope you get an early finish Beasty

It must make it so much worse Spotty, hope you feel better soon

halestone Fri 15-Nov-13 11:26:30

Happy Birthday Pidjthankswine

Hope your feeling better soon Spotty and JackandJilly. Willyou i hope J is ok. And WL i hope T is ok.

FX for that early finish Beasty.

Utopian i can't remember seeing your name for the last few days hope your ok and that DS's sleep is getting better.

WLmum Fri 15-Nov-13 16:04:16

Happiest of birthdays pidj!

DS has just panned out in the car for the first nap of the day. He may be staying up watching a bit of children in need with me I feel!

PurplePidjin Fri 15-Nov-13 17:57:40

Thank you thanks

R is in fitteds with wool trousers over to air his nappy rash out, it's working too grin he looks like a tiny hippy!

ISpyPlumPie Fri 15-Nov-13 19:40:57

Many happy returns Pidge thanks.

Get well soon Spotty and Jacks

Hope LOs are ok Willyou and WL.

We're hopefully coming out of the other side of colds here, fx it's the same for you soon Beasty.

DP's putting J to bed. DS has now been screaming crying for over an hour without a break. I went up to see if he needed a break and he waved me away looking annoyed but honestly I cannot listen to this any more. It sounds like he's going to be sick he's that upset. I don't know what he's doing but it's clearly not working. If I go he'll think I'm just undermining him but I have to go and do something. sad

TheDetective Fri 15-Nov-13 20:58:40

<Runs in to fred, gives Fandango a wedgie and runs back out to November babies>



PurplePidjin Fri 15-Nov-13 21:18:08

Wtf are you doing trespassing in here Det <stern glare>

You'll have a job Detective, I'm in bed in my enormous jamas. You'll have to pull them an awful long way to wedgie me. I don't know if I mentioned it, but I'm KNACKERED!

She's a wrongun that Detective, I'd advise you all to stay far far away from her! grin

I've cuddled the bambino to sleep, now to brave DP's very weak wrath!

TheDetective Fri 15-Nov-13 21:38:27

You might have mentioned it once 15 times I can't seem to remember...!

Go the fuck to sleep then! grin

<Runs back out before pidj gets confused over freds* grin

For those who are confused, Det and I went to soft play today and I am now exhausted!

WLmum Fri 15-Nov-13 21:51:01

willyou I'm a serial giver of hands! Occaisionally DH has got the hump but at the end of the day we both know I'm just better at it!! Haha, actually because of his shift work they don't get any consistency with him so of course it works better for me.
T was a rotter to settle so am expecting a bed guest later - I'll try to resist but am v tired after a week of v late nights/disturbed nights/early mornings (a winning combination) so resolve will be weak. Poor little snot monster.
Poor baby pidjs bottom. Air and metanium are the key.

I'm off on a bike ride through the woods with a good pal tomorrow am. First time I've been on my bike since before being pg with T and pal is super fit cycle to work kinda gal.

WLmum Sat 16-Nov-13 06:25:33

No overnight chat? Hope that means everyone was sleeping rather than busy being poorly/seeing to poorly babies.
T did much better than I expected, just one wake and feed at 2.30 then up at 6.10 - normally I'd bring her into out bed for half an hour but she's so snotty I didn't want her to be so flat so up we are.

Ha if only WL. DP did the night feed but DS was having none of it and wouldn't go back to sleep for him. I had to get up, change him out of his wet clothes (he keeps drinking so much in the night that his nappy leaks) and give him calpol at 4:30. Yawn!

PurplePidjin Sat 16-Nov-13 08:16:16

R slept 6-5, and the rash is almost gone now. He's a big fan of his longies though, not sure if he'll be happy to go back to jeans!

PurplePidjin Sat 16-Nov-13 18:09:34


WLmum Sat 16-Nov-13 20:26:40

Where is everyone?

WLmum Sat 16-Nov-13 20:31:52

We went to a birthday party this arvo and T fell asleep on the way home so I'm now trying desperately to get her to go to bed.

Barbeasty Sat 16-Nov-13 21:08:00

We were in Oxford with all DC's cousins all afternoon. Manic, but both DC enjoyed it. A enjoyed joining in with the pass the parcel.

Then we went out for dinner for our anniversary. Just back, and A was straight at me for milk.

Hopefully he'll go off soon and I'll get a good night. maybe the wine I drank will help

FriendofDorothy Sat 16-Nov-13 21:13:25

I am here, just having a really grumpy, sad day sad

PurplePidjin Sat 16-Nov-13 21:19:50


WLmum Sat 16-Nov-13 21:37:59

Good for you beasty
Poor you fod. Anything particular triggered the grump or just general?
Poor T keeps waking up crying. I gave her calpol before bed but she's so full of snot

ddas Sat 16-Nov-13 22:21:15

I'm just not with it today. Dd decided to give us an even earlier start than normal.
Ds has been challenging today which found difficult when sleep deprived- just don't have as much patience when tired! The terrible two's really does exist! Although with ds it's defiant two's!

ddas Sat 16-Nov-13 22:22:20

fod sorry to hear that- you've had a rough couple of months.

ispyplumpie Sat 16-Nov-13 23:14:54

Busy day today with DS1's party this morning and Church Christmas fair this afternoon. Party went really well. DS1 enjoyed it and I got to spend some time with some lovely friends. N met Father Christmas at the fair - it was all going so well until they took a photo and he decided to scream. Will be an interesting picture grin.

<<hugs>> FOD

halestone Sat 16-Nov-13 23:45:45

I've had the type of day where i mostly haven't had a clue what i've been doing.


I've just got H to sleep no doubt me or DP will end up in the spare bed tonight. FX its me grin

Hope DS1 enjoyed his party Ispy.

Bigs hugs FoD

I love out spare bed Hales, it's stupidly comfy.

I've been to a friend's fortieth and J totally behaved himself for my sister! Turns out it's just my mum and DP's mum nit wanting to put him to bed! My sister followed my instructions to the letter and he was asleep for 8:30, much better than the 11pm reported by my parents last week. I told my mum to cuddle him to sleep and that he may cry briefly but to persevere, youd think id suggested locking him a room with a pride of lions!

This is the first wake up since she put him down! Yippee!

WLmum Sun 17-Nov-13 12:38:11

That all sounds good willyou. We only had one wake up last night too despite the fact that T is hardly eating any solids at the moment - due to her cold and emerging teeth I guess. Just trying to boob her to sleep now.

Have you seen fb? Poor Spotty is in ITU.

halestone Sun 17-Nov-13 14:28:06

Wow Willyou and WL there some good sleeps.

I've just spotted FB as well i hope Spotty feels better soonthanks

We had hardly any sleep last night although H had loads she fidgeted all over the bed and when i escaped to the spare bed she woke up and cried till i came back hmm

Barbeasty Sun 17-Nov-13 19:22:30

We thought DD had reacted to the glitter make up stuff her cousins put on her face yesterday. "Luckily" it was just the pink felt tip that Granny had given her to draw with in the car on the way home. The good news is that, as predicted, it's all come off in the swimming pool.

A slept no better or worse than normal, so sadly some rather nice wine isn't the answer to good sleep!

WLmum Sun 17-Nov-13 20:07:51

What a shock for poor spotty!

Just boobing a hysterical T. She's hardly eaten again today and just got really upset which isn't like her at all. Poor wee baby.

I majorly threw my toys this afternoon about the house being a constant tip. I did overreact but honestly as fast as I can tidy one place DH and dds trash another place. I got home yesterday about 2 after a very rare jaunt to find the house a complete mess, art and craft crap stuff all over. DH and I were both going out separately at 3 so given that he also hadn't wrapped the present or started getting the girls ready for the party there was no time to sort it. He went off on his not so rare jolly (nights out that start at 3 piss me off) so I did all 3 dds at a party, tea and bed on my own then tidied everything up and hoovered etc. This afternoon while uber clingy T was asleep I was upstairs sorting some stuff for an nct sale for max one hour - complete fucking tip again - don't ever buy moon dough! All over the floor so I had to Hoover again so T didn't eat it all. Oh and I had to wipe soup off the wall from where DH had given dd2 lunch. Ffs.
Tomorrow our parents will look after the girls here while we're at work - I absolutely cannot knock the free childcare but again I'll come home to a shit tip.
I have apologised but its really getting to me.
Ok rant over!

utopian99 Sun 17-Nov-13 21:04:08

Hi.all; sorry for being awol! (although thanks for checking up hales.. smile O is getting quite adept at killing my phones so.no mobile internet at the mo. unless dh donates his phone . greater love hath no man.

Just.checking in to say about spotty, hope she's okay; also the rest of those battling sickness.

Happy v late birthday pidj , glad you have a healing pidjchick bottom. Sorry about house chaos wl, i really feel for you. Hugs for you too you*fod*, wine all round ..

WLmum Sun 17-Nov-13 22:42:37

Thanks utopian its petty I know and I'm not a neat freak but 1 vs 4 is unfair! DH is running scared and has been looking for things to tidy but I know tomorrow will be back to normal - he's always been a messy bugger. My only hope is to slowly train the girls.
My pesky little monster has broken my iPhone charger by constantly chewing the end - she's obsessed! As soon as I catch her with mine and take it away she goes off and ferrets around til she finds dh's. that and saying no while shaking her head at me while she holds the toilet brush. Monster!

WLmum Sun 17-Nov-13 22:51:54

Ha I just asked DH where my pj t shirt was (after he made the bed!!) - doh - I'm wearing it!! In my defense it was under a sweatshirt!

ddas Sun 17-Nov-13 23:01:04

Feel for you on the cleaning wl- doesn't seem to matter how many times I clean within a second the dc's or dh have make it look messy again. A neighbour came round unexpectedly as her bunny had escaped and come into our garden and although I had done a massive clean the day before house looked like a bomb had hot it courtesy of the dc's being up a few hours. Very embarrassing. Felt like explaining but then she's had kids so probably understood.
We got dd her first pair of shoes today- growing up too fast. Walking quite well now but has yet to master getting to standing from the floor so if she falls has to find something to help pull herself up on so she can carry on. Only a matter of time though and her crawling days will be gone sad
Today also managed to eat a yogurt on her own with her spoon - where have our little babies gone!

Barbeasty Mon 18-Nov-13 07:40:27

I feel you on the cleaning. I spent 3 days of my week off last month tidying and cleaning. You really wouldn't know it now. There are rooms I won't let A in because of the state on the floor.

DD tidied the lounge yesterday, in return for chocolate cake, and half an hour later she'd made it a mess again.

But hey, I'm off again next week, so I can spend all my time re cleaning and not doing fun prep for Christmas!

There's lots of low level stuff being done by both DC at the moment (A is emptying drawers and every so often traos his fingers, DD is "being helpful looking after him") so I have no idea when/how I will get to have a shower this morning. And I've given up on the idea of making it to Bounce and Rhyme at the library this morning.

Really I could do with going back to bed, maybe next week!

WLmum Mon 18-Nov-13 09:36:22

So glad it's not just me that's embarrassed when people come round! Even my messiest/dirtiest housed friend has just a cleaner so I can't even console myself there!

How are you now beasty

WLmum Mon 18-Nov-13 09:43:31

ddas that's impressive spoon skills!

WLmum Mon 18-Nov-13 10:29:50

I'm having second thoughts about the nct sale - received the seller guidelines which are super stroppy and they'll take 35./.! Perhaps I'll just eBay instead.

halestone Mon 18-Nov-13 13:26:15

Wow WL thats quite a percentage. I hope your DH is helping out more now.

Ddas i'm am also impressed with your DD eating from a spoon. H hasn't tried that yet but i think thats my fault as i haven't really given her chance to yet. I can't stand food being everywhere so i try to minimise the mess i think i'll have to let her try now.

halestone Mon 18-Nov-13 13:28:25

Beasty i hope your next week off doesn't involve as much cleaning.

Utopian i hope your phone gets fixed soon.

Spotty i hope your feeling a little better todaythanks

Barbeasty Mon 18-Nov-13 15:31:01

I left them to it so I could get up and they were both in one piece when I came back down. We gave the library a miss, but we're just back from playgroup, which they both enjoyed.

I'll be able to be more on top of things in the new year. At the moment the days when I have time between getting home from work and collecting the DC I have to express a bottle for A. I'm going to stop that after Christmas, once A is 1 and doesn't need a bottle at nursery. That will be a good 30mins to an hour freed up.

And once he's 1 I'll start getting stricter at night, and start night weaning. It just feels wrong to do it when he's making up for the feeds he doesn't get in the day 4 days a week.

And WL what is it about chargers? A has broken a couple through chewing too.

My iPhone charger is never safe. I'm on my third since Jamie became mobile.

35% WL? That's outrageous shock

We have tooth number 8 today, so he has all 8 front teeth now. I'm presuming that was the cause of the horrific wees and poos I've been coping with the last few days.

I've been to baby group this morning, J was a pain, flinging himself into a paddling pool they had set up to wash hands after playing with messy food. Then I had to go to town with a baby with soaking wet feet (I had a complete change of clothes with me except for socks) hmm

I've bought some lovely brightly coloured tshirts from H&M, everywhere else seems to just have dull grey, navy, mustard ones at the minute.

FriendofDorothy Mon 18-Nov-13 16:43:16

I have a proper snotty, grumpy baby today. Even the childminder commentated that he didn't want to be put down at all.

lazzaroo Mon 18-Nov-13 18:03:32

Blimey WL that's a bit much. I'm sorting stuff for an NCT sale next weekend. I paid £10 for the table & now I'll keep whatever I make on the day.

Foul nappies here today. Maybe teeth.

We've had a couple of decent nights. I've been in a foul mood today though. Can't snap myself out of it.

My house is always a mess!

Is spotty okay?

ddas good spoon work. Baby lazza is getting very frustrated trying & making a huge mess everywhere!

Spotty's still in ITU Lazza she's in ketosis. She said she would be seeing her consultant today so fx they'll get it under control.

J is wailing, his teeth are killing him. We're watching back to back Peppa pig until the calpol takes hold and I can have my tea.

MrsNutella Mon 18-Nov-13 19:17:30

WL they really want to take 35% off you for the things you sell?! That's outrageous! shockshockshock Have to say I'd be looking elsewhere.

I've forgotten who was up to what... Some impressive spoon action going on! Very impressed DS likes to try and spoon stuff himself but doesn't always manage it grin. Although even when I offer him something (spoon or lump of food) he still manages to flick it on the floor hmm
Still no walking here, but some very cute wobbly standing. We also get lots of pointing and "da" wish I knew what he was pointing at half the time. But it is cute and he laughs lots when I copy him smile

MrsNutella Mon 18-Nov-13 19:20:24

Oh and DH has taught DS to throw a ball - sort of - which is lovely and cute but not something I really appreciate when DS is in his buggy...

Barbeasty Mon 18-Nov-13 19:53:48

When I made A some cheese on toast for his tea, DD had "a really good idea mummy. I should have the soft bits, and Anthony can have the crusts."

She was made to watch Anthony eat his dinner, and she got the last soldier (after he looked straight at her and dropped it over the side of the chair!)

WLmum Mon 18-Nov-13 20:18:11

lazza I did find an alternative sale that was £15 for the table but tbh I thought that was a bit steep too. Bit fed up really as I'd hoped to make a few quid but it hardly seems worth it.
I'm currently trapped trying to get T to bed - every time I take her off the boob she goes nuts. 5 more mins then its going to be a battle of wills, my boobs can't take any more dummying.

PurplePidjin Mon 18-Nov-13 20:28:27

We're without income again

WLmum Mon 18-Nov-13 20:34:20

Am going to lose my mind.

WLmum Mon 18-Nov-13 20:35:04

Oh no pidj has dp lost his job?

WLmum Mon 18-Nov-13 20:37:41

Nurofen administered. Bit more boob for now.

WLmum Mon 18-Nov-13 20:59:56

Help me! I've been trying to get her to bed for an hour and a half. My boobs can't take anymore suckling, my back can't take anymore swaying, my ears can't take anymore screaming. I've been up since 5.30 and I've had enough.

PurplePidjin Mon 18-Nov-13 21:07:41

Yup, lack of sales means no job sadangrywine

PurplePidjin Mon 18-Nov-13 21:11:32

WL nappy, open/close window, water, take off/put on a layer, check for trapped fingers/toes.

Turn on music, walk away for 5 minutes. Go back and reassure every 5 until she sleeps. If she looks like she's settling, stay and reassure. Only do this if you're absolutely sure it's temper or overtiredness thanks

WLmum Mon 18-Nov-13 21:18:08

She's asleep finally. It's a snotty cold and teeth so I wasn't up for cc in any form but basically she wants to dummy me all night which I can't do. I cuddled and rocked for comfort but bloody hell that was a battle.
Sorry to hear that pidj is he likely to be able to find something else? Is he fully recovered now? flowers for you too!

PurplePidjin Mon 18-Nov-13 21:47:59

Nope, scan today and the stress of everything mean his brain isn't much better than when it happens. He's only capable of working pt.

Oh Pidj that's so shit. I'm really sorry.

Glad you finally got her off WL, terrible teething here too tonight but all that wailing made him very tired and he fell asleep around 8.

Just before he fell asleep we were lying face to face on my bed and he snuggled up to me, put my chin in his mouth and blew a raspberry. Then he giggled at himself. It was fantastic smile

Xpost Pidj. That's even shitter <<enormous hugs to you and MrPidj>> sad

WLmum Mon 18-Nov-13 22:15:49

Oh no pidj that's awful news. With the exception of the wonderful and joyous R you've had a pretty tough year. Will you have enough money coming in to survive ok? Dp must be feeling pretty rotten too. Hugs all round.

halestone Mon 18-Nov-13 22:16:00

Oh Pidj i don't know what to say heres somethanks and wine

WL i hope T sleeps the whole night now to make up for a bad time settling her.

Lazza i hope your in a better mood now.

Beasty mmm cheese on toast now i'm hungry.

We're having a bad time due to DP's exangry we're banned from seeing DSD and haven't seen her for 5 werks now despite the previous arrangement being DP had her every weekend. We can't afford to take her to court about it. Shes slagging me off all over and sending messages to my friends about how i'm the scum of the earth. This is a woman whom i have never met or spoke to! Shes telling people i've sent her nasty messages as if i'm that pathetic!! All this because we've refused to tell her my income. I am so upset for DP he asked if we could take DSD to centre parcs to be told that DSD already has a family and doesn't need another one! All this is making him feel like giving up i have no idea how to help him.

PurplePidjin Mon 18-Nov-13 22:24:21

Barely. Haven't quite used all the saving yet thankfully so we won't starve for a couple of months yet. Have got a couple of bits for R for Christmas and birthday so that's covered at least.

ISpyPlumPie Tue 19-Nov-13 09:55:44

Pidge - I'm another one who really doesn't know what to say. Life is so unfair sometimes. Here's some <<hugs>> and lots of positive wishes that things start to go your way soon.

Hales - that sounds incredibly tough too. Have you tried posting on the legal board - there's a couple of really good family law bods over there? Alternatively I'm happy to pm you with a couple of thoughts (no magic solutions though, wish there was).

halestone Tue 19-Nov-13 11:46:23

Feel free to PM me Ispygrin i've ummed and awwwed about putting it on legal as i'm not sure if the ex will find it. I highly doubt she will but not sure yet.

H was such a fidget in bed last night again. I can't wait to get back from centre parcs and hopefully sleep train her back into her cot.

ISpyPlumPie Tue 19-Nov-13 12:23:39

Ok will do Hales though it might be later on when I'm not being clambered on by boys and can string a proper sentence together grin

halestone Tue 19-Nov-13 13:28:57

Thank You Ispy.

H has just face planted the wall so hard her nose bled.

Spotty if your back on MN i hope your getting plenty of rest.thanks

WLmum Tue 19-Nov-13 13:52:57

pidj I'm so sorry. Happy birthday to R!
hales that sounds dreadful. Can citizens advice help?

WLmum Tue 19-Nov-13 13:53:19

With dsd not poor H's nose!

halestone Tue 19-Nov-13 14:00:14

I hadn't even thought of that WL i'll suggest it to DP. Thank you grin

PurplePidjin Tue 19-Nov-13 15:52:44

R is having a lovely day although his teeth are bothering him again. Lots of lovely presents and we had cake at bf group too - i used apricot puree instead of jam so the icing could be taken off and the babies could have minimal sugar smile

halestone Tue 19-Nov-13 16:38:23

Is it R's birthday, today Pidj. If so Happy Birthday Rthanks

PurplePidjin Tue 19-Nov-13 17:13:59

Yes, 1 today smile cake

WLmum Tue 19-Nov-13 18:06:46

T has only eaten a few bites of actual food today. not overly bothered about extra boob either.

Happy birthday R! We need a party blower emoticon.

Poor H Hales, J face planted this morning as he tried to crawl while holding a pair of stolen knickers in each hand (he loves emptying my underwear drawer). I was less than sympathetic.

Super whingy baby here today. He's driven me a little crazy with his continuous whining to be picked up. DP's doing bedtime and I'm off to do an awful aerobics class to blow the cobwebs off me. Wish me luck!

Barbeasty Tue 19-Nov-13 19:49:10

Happy birthday R, and fingers crossed your luck changes soon Pidj

A was hit in the nose by a torch, and DD was flailing around on the sofa and rolled off it, landing on A this evening. He's fine though, wandering around playing with his noisy toys and fiddling with the sound system so I can't watch tv!

WLmum Tue 19-Nov-13 19:56:50

Shuddering at the memories of aerobics classes.

halestone Tue 19-Nov-13 22:06:54

Willyou i'm sure we have the same baby, H has been a super clingy whingy baby today.

Can't lift my legs! Perversely feeling quite good!

PurplePidjin Tue 19-Nov-13 22:38:17

I do kickboxing, aerobics etc piss me off with the inability to move in time to the music hmm

I need the music to keep me going Pidj otherwise I just give up 10 minutes in. I'm a lazy cow at heart but I can get a bit addicted to exercise once I force myself to go.

utopian99 Wed 20-Nov-13 02:02:56

I have a working phone! Insurance well worth it this time, and bomb proof case as well.

Just catching up pidj, happy late birthday to R, can't believe it. I'm glad he had a happy day (so much better than O's Dec 27th date, which I will probably always feel guilty about. ) really sorry to hear about your dp though, hugs [tea] wine (not Iin the same glass) and sympathy for the luck you've had with all this. Not helpful but maybe you're due a really good 2014 instead? Is there anything we can do to help?
will you, I know that perverse achey pleasure! Been too busy to run for the last few months and it's freezing and 8pm by the time O is asleep..

Sorry for the nose Hales, and on the ghastly ex front, I have a friend who had to tackle her dh's ex for the same thing, I can ask what they did as they're not rolling in cash for legal purposes? Pm if it would help?

Poor T, wl, O has been unable to put down without waking for a week now so I have been forced into cuddles over the cot top till he gives up and goes to sleep on his own. I am playing him Alphabet Zoo by Ralph McTell, which seems to help.

2blessed Wed 20-Nov-13 03:04:30

Been awol for a while, trying to catch up...

Belated birthday wishes to R, pidj! Really hope the tide turns for you and your family thanks wine.

Hope spotty is improving.

hales sorry to hear about stress with dp's ex. Don't people realise its the dc's who suffer the most?

And hugs to everyone with poorly/teething babies.

R has been super clingy and whiny over last few days. His stools are still quite loose, hoping its the back teeth coming through as he's been quite dribbly too.

Work is really busy but determined not to be stressed by it.

Welcome back 2blessed and utopian

Just had a 2 h playtime here confused and DP will be up in 45 m land will wake us again. Sob

halestone Wed 20-Nov-13 04:45:32

All advice is welcome Utopiangrin thank you.

2blessed yay to not letting work stress you out heres somewine it'll help haha.

Willyou oh no i bet your exhausted. I can't sleep again due to H's constant fidgeting and the last 2 nights shes screamed alot in her sleep. SiL suffered badly from night terrors when she was younger its not hereditary is it?

I'm back! We all slept in until 7:40 this morning shock dd has to leave for nursery in half an hour.

I'm still feeling wiped out but dp is home today.

Hales sorry your dp's ex is a twat and pidj sorry about your situation again sad

I've had to cancel dd's party as I haven't been able to get anything organised!

Welcome back Spotty glad you're home. Hope DP spoils you.

We had a fucking awful night. DP only gave j 2.5ml of calpol at first wake up (he was supposed to give it at bedtime but forgot). He was up and down a few times between 7 and 9 and then down until 11:30. Then he woke up screaming at 2:30 I dosed him up but he was wide awake. Got him back to sleep at 5:30 and he woke me at 7:15 (bloody hailstone) with an enormous poo that had soaked through everything including his grobag. Roll on naptime!

Equimum Wed 20-Nov-13 13:31:17

Glad you're home Spotty, I hope you continue to recover quickly.

Sorry to hear about your situation Pidge sad

Commiserations to everyone still suffering from a lack of sleep. DS has been doing okay but was up every 1.4 hours last night. Still, I know it could be worse (repeats to self, many times grin.

It's not something we'd usually consider, but I'm currently waiting at a casting session with DS. A big children's retailer is doing a fashion shoot in our area and he's been invited for a casting session this afternoon. Feeling really nervous - this is so far out of my comfort zone, it's unreal!

Barbeasty Wed 20-Nov-13 16:07:51

Good luck little equimum

I'm trying to decide which room to start tidying. So I have time to do some cooking next week. I think I need to pick one which won't be trashed by the weekend!

WLmum Wed 20-Nov-13 19:43:22

Yay spotty. Make sure you take it easy, you must be exhausted physically and emotionally.
willyou night time wide awakes are the worst. Hope you survived. I prescribe a big bag of cadburys crispellos - just discovered these amaze balls.
equi do we have a star?
At last T seems to be feeling a bit better - she's eaten more today and seems a bit less snotty. She woke me up a couple of times last night coughing so horribly I thought she'd been sick. Fx we've turned a corner.

WLmum Wed 20-Nov-13 19:46:23

beasty so glad it's not just me that's domestically challenged! I'm going to make some luverly chicken (quorn for me though) and leek pies for tea tomorrow. Will do baby ones for dds to turn their noses up at! Those posh pâté and olive etc dishes make great mini pie dishes.

PurplePidjin Wed 20-Nov-13 19:54:52

I think my best mummy mate is a mumsnetter, she knew what PFB was earlier hmm <waves overexcitedly at Aunty D if she's lurking>

Equimum Wed 20-Nov-13 20:17:00

WL loving the phrase 'domestically challenged' grin. That's definitely a label I can own. I'm also glad to hear T is feeling better.

We'll hear next week whether DS has been chosen for the fashion shoot, but was a total star in my eyes today, so Whether he get in or not, I'm enormously proud of him.

Stacks Wed 20-Nov-13 20:26:10

<relurks> I'm finding early pregnancy and DS a challenge. Hoping to get back into the swing of things soon though! How are the other pg mums feeling now?

We have walking here, he first did it at the weekend but I wasn't sure it counted. It's a bit uncontrolled, the leader at the play group today called me mean though, and said it's totally proper walking smile

Now I've lurked I'll go read back. Hope everyone is well!

Yay well done mini Stacks.

That's exciting Equimum, glad it went well.

That's what happened to me Pidj, it was actually because she was friends with you on facebook and I thought that's odd!

I opened a christmas tin of cadburys biscuits WL and I'm not even sorry. We got back in bed 9:30-11:30 and I felt sooo much better for it. The house was a wreck but DP and I blitzed it when DS crashed out dead on 7pm.

Also I neeeed an excuse to post one of these tardis grin

WLmum Wed 20-Nov-13 21:36:12

Loving the tardis!

When it's only midnight and your baby has already managed to wee through a pampers baby dry and all over themselves, you know tonight is not going to be your night!

utopian99 Thu 21-Nov-13 00:46:53

Very wakeful for no discernable reason here but now it's all worth it due to willyou's tardis
Massive geek out grin here.

2blessed Thu 21-Nov-13 01:22:34

Well done baby stacks

Good luck baby equimum

Relatively easy first wake up here. DS had his bottle then went straight back to sleep.

Another tired day, thought he'd be worn out after day at dm's but oh no he saved some energy for me. Other reason I'm knackered is I'm also pg. Still a semi secret in rl until my scan in a couple of weeks.

halestone Thu 21-Nov-13 01:33:19

Congratulations 2blessed grin

I hope all the babies decide to sleep for the rest of the night.

H has crashed and burned but my niece is here so i think thats why.

Spotty are you feeling better today? I hope your getting some rest.

Willyou i can't see your geek out. I never go on the laptop unless i'm starting a thread haha.

I too am domestically challenged hahahmm by the time Heidi is napping i just wanna sit down and not move.

Barbeasty Thu 21-Nov-13 05:45:26

Just a normal night here. A few wake ups but nothing major. Listening to the wind and hoping it dies down before I go on site this afternoon.

Early pregnancy 2nd time is a killer. It was the not being able to fall asleep on the sofa as soon as I got home from work, which I did first time, but having to deal with a lively toddler. It gets better until you're 39 weeks and 2 stone toddler wants to be carried up the stairs

Congratulations 2blessed smile I also remember is being awful second time round, in fact I felt much like I do now so you have my sympathies.

Thanks hales I'm getting there. My arm is still very painful from a bad reaction to one of the six hmm cannulas I had, I'm hoping it'll clear up on its own without antibiotics.

Equimum Thu 21-Nov-13 08:08:44

Congratulations 2blessed and Stacks (didn't realise you were pregnant until yesterday blush, so sorry it's a bit late).

Spotty I'll be keeping everything crossed for you.

DS woke at 1.15am and I started to feed him in the dark (as I always do), before realising he'd been sick. Spent the rest of the night cuddled up on the sofa with him while he engaged in a cycle of feed-puke-nap sad. Poor little lad. Mind you, he's now scooting round the living room, cruising along the fire guard etc like nothing has been wrong confused.

halestone Thu 21-Nov-13 12:06:12

I am so exhausted, H slept well but i was up from 1am till 5am i just couldn't sleep. H woke for the day at 7.

Equimum i hope DS is feeling better now.

Spotty i have my FX that you don't get an infection.

I think I've missed a birthday or two?! Been meaning to come on here before they started turning 1 - genuinely horrified. How many dec mummys are growing another ?! I've missed a ridiculous amount!! Going to try and catch up.....

WLmum Thu 21-Nov-13 19:51:01

Poor you hales fx you have a better night tonight.
T had a mammoth 3 hour lunch time nap - not sure if its because of moving to one nap so she's more tired or if she's still feeling coldy and toothy. She's still snotty and off her food. Rather love the idea of a regular mammoth nap!

2blessed Early days of my 2nd pg were really hard - I remember going to the theatre with my mum before we'd told anyone and I kept falling asleep during the performance. Thank god it was dark! I found sipping weal ribena throughout the day helped with queasiness. Oddly it wasn't so bad with dd3 - until the end when I used to wish for labour to start just so I could lie in a hospital bed!

I spent an hour in the dentist chair today - it was so relaxing!! I was lying down with nothing to do and no-one on at me. Awesome! I've got some beauty vouchers I haven't managed to use since my bday in march - seriously need to book in an hours pamper asap.

ISpyPlumPie Thu 21-Nov-13 22:06:36

Congratulations 2blessed thanks

2blessed Thu 21-Nov-13 22:56:26

Thanks all! Its almost friday, then I can chill out... hopefully ju

2blessed Thu 21-Nov-13 22:59:59

Hope you're feeling better spotty.

Lots of dc's sleeping soundly tonight and giving their mums a chance to watch I'm a celebrity/question time...?

halestone Fri 22-Nov-13 01:15:50

We're still up i havn't packed our cases for centre parcs and i am so exhausted i just want to sleep hmm

utopian99 Fri 22-Nov-13 03:28:41

We're up for regular 3am waking. Settling without milk takes a lot longer, but desperate to make my fertility come back so we can get no 2 brewing. V jealous of all the Dec 12 mothers with one already in progress, can I ask those of you who are if you're still feeding much at all? Everyone says it's not a reliable form of contraception but it's working too Damn well for us! hmm

2blessed Fri 22-Nov-13 06:20:30

utopian R has 3 bottles of formula a day and then boob for comfort/to get him off to sleep. Really want to wean him off by his birthday, so another 7? Weeks. Dreading settling him during the night without milk...

R has been sleeping since 9.10

Hope you're all packed hales. Love center parcs, have a great time smile

Ds slept nearly 14 hours shock ignored the fact that dd was a right pita all night

Equimum Fri 22-Nov-13 09:48:05

Wow Spotty that was some sleep!

DS slept 7.30-12.10, 12.30-6.40, so a pretty good night here too. I think he was exhausted after his tummy bug yesterday. Luckily, that seemed to be a 24hr thing.

We're going to try getting DS down without milk while DH is off over Christmas - don't think it's a battle I want to face alone, and DH is rarely home before 9pm/ out of house by 7am at the moment. Unfortunately, we're not doing it to TTC, just to make things a bit easier. I think we'll be waiting another year or so before we think about another one -although I'd like one sooner

Hey folks

Congratulations 2blessed, so many pregnant ladies on this thread now envy

Glad you're home Spotty hope you feel a bit better

Hope you got some sleep Hales, have bum fun at center parks blush

I have promptly forgotten everything else I read!

We went to watch Micky Flanagan last night. It was great - we boozed it up in a cocktail bar, got takeaway on the way home and I slept until 10am! MiL had DS, just about to go for him now. Poor DP had to be in work at 6, I imagine he'll be feeling decidedly less chipper than me this morning!

DS is growing I think. He slept 12 hours last night for MiL (the traitor), had a 30 min nap this morning and has just crashed out again.

He's also eating everything in sight. Ella's lamb pouch, chocolate pudding and a satsuma for tea, weetabix for breakfast and beans, scrambled egg and toast for dinner. I love it when he eats! I feel like I may become a feeder like MiL.

I must tackle the bomb site where my kitchen used to be while he's asleep.

WLmum Fri 22-Nov-13 17:57:05

Wish he'd have a word with T willyou she's still barely eating a thing.

WLmum Fri 22-Nov-13 17:59:08

Your night sounds great willyou. I had a hissy fit last night about how DH and I are just 2 people that live in the same house (although mostly not in the house at the same time!). We def need to do more dates. I am going out with my girly pals tonight though.

Ds has napped a total of 3.5 hours today. He always seems to eat whatever we put in front of him too. I'm making the most of it as I'm all too aware that it could all change very quickly!

MrsNutella Fri 22-Nov-13 19:53:03

pidj congrats to R being a whole year old! And fx that 2014 brings you and your family a much more awesome time! So sorry about DP. thanks

spotty glad you're home and on the road to recovery. Hope you soon feel back to normal.

Utopian I know this wont help in your quest for making baby 2; but as my mum says "you only really have one chance per month". Hopefully it will all work out for you soon and you get to have some fun practicing! The wife of a friend of mine had him on a schedule and was going a little bit baby crazy to the point where he said to me "honestly Nut, I'd just like a cuddle, I'm worn out" hahaha poor man! (A cuddle with his missus, not me grin)

Hmmmm what else is new.... DS is doing lots of pointing and "da" not sure if I wrote that last time.... Oh and many congratulations 2blessed

2blessed Fri 22-Nov-13 20:49:26

Sounds like a great night willyou. DP and I are having our first night out together next week - dinner and a show. Need to sort out babysitting...

So pleased its friday night, tough ol' week at work. You know those times when you know you've earned your money?

Relaxing weekend ahead, really need to clean and fancy making stew oxtails.

FriendofDorothy Fri 22-Nov-13 23:37:30

I'm with you Utopian. I had hoped that number 2 might be brewing away nicely too. Kind of disappointed that it's not.

I am still breastfeeding but pretty sure I am ovulating.

WLmum Sat 23-Nov-13 00:11:57

Sending conception vibes to utopian and fod.
Great night out with the girls but got back to a hysterical T and a careworn looking DH. The boobs have worked their magic and she's fast asleep again. Poor buba T.

utopian99 Sat 23-Nov-13 00:43:55

Thanks for conception vibes! Sorry for your dh but yay for boob grin

We have been out with friends while my brother babysat O. It's been REALLY nice, being just grown ups for a change definitely need more of these evenings. He was a tiny little star for my bro too and only woke after we got back and had a glass of water, good boy. Feeling so generally happy I utterly forgot the no milk at night so he's now happily feasting away and I'm feeling a lot less stressed about no 2 while no 1 is so lovely

ddas Sat 23-Nov-13 04:46:37

It's hard when you're feeling broody but appreciate this time

ddas Sat 23-Nov-13 04:50:40

Sorry malco fingers.

It's hard when you're feeling broody but enjoy this time with him alone as they grow so quickly & is harder 2nd time round to get as much quality time.

After showing us she can sleep through for a few days last week the last two nights have been awful!
Low grade temps, no source, reluctance to eat so I suspect teeth that about to make an appearance.

ddas Sat 23-Nov-13 04:52:04

& means plans of possibly weaning from boob not going to happen.
Currently attached to it.

Ds has covered my sitting room floor in crumpet hmm

Barbeasty Sat 23-Nov-13 15:43:10

We went out earlier to get the amazing toy farm we'd seen for A for Christmas. It's no longer being produced. After the panic wore off we got him a lovely wooden rocking horse instead. He had a go on the one in the shop and liked it, so he should get some decent use out of it.

Then we got some lunch and A was a complete pain. Biting when I fed him, standing up in the highchair, really noisy.

DH was discussing with DD what they'd do when we got home which involved dressing up. DH said they'd put a tail on A and he could be a baby devil. DD said he already has a tail- a willy tail.

We couldn't keep a straight face!

Not sure exactly what's going on upstairs but when DH went to join them it sounds as though A has been dressed up in DD's clothes.

lazzaroo Sat 23-Nov-13 15:58:42

Glad you're feeling better spotty

I haven't posted for a while but keep an eye on what's been going on! Nt always good at remembering it all though!

Need a bit of virtual hand holding. I haven't bf baby lazza since 7am. She's been ok. Dh says we should just stick it out & stop now. He's home for a week. Longest stretch of support I'll get this side of Christmas. I'm worrying a bit because she's just not that interested in drinking milk from cup. Have offered it but she's only taking few sips. I'm also unsure about going cold turkey overnight, or whether I should give her bedtime feed and deal with that later. Am also dreading the possibility that she'll get her revenge by wanting to feed all night confused.

lazzaroo Sat 23-Nov-13 17:20:10

Ok, so I think we've agreed she'll still have bed time feed for now. Going to try night weaning from tonight though. So in theory she should just be on morning and bed time feed.

Can't believe birthday season has started. Happy birthday to the older ones!

PurplePidjin Sat 23-Nov-13 17:38:55

lazza it's pretty normal to drop to 2 feeds about now, we dropped in September at 9 1/2 months and some other friends were earlier. Calcium also comes from green leafy veg and chickpeas - tonight R had spinach, peas and cheese in mashed jacket pot plus a vege burger as finger food, then a fromage frais for pudding. Loads of calcium but no cows milk, at least not in "straight" form! R loves milk cold but won't drink it warm hmm i give him 1" in a free flow cup most days, he has water freely accessible in a non-spill cup plus boob x2 a day. Hope there's something useful in my rambling hmm

Maryland2013 Sat 23-Nov-13 17:48:54

I was also wondering when we would drop to 2 feeds, just as DS refused afternoon milk but was happily throwing grated cheese down his neck so thanks Pidj smile

lazzaroo Sat 23-Nov-13 18:16:23

That is helpful pidj thank you. I shouldn't worry having gone through it all once already! But my bf experience has been different this time & much easier for us both. She's eating a good varied diet. Am feeding her now & I think DH is prepared to try settling her overnight. Thanks again smile

PurplePidjin Sat 23-Nov-13 19:03:24

I did all the night weaning, because dp needs as much rest as possible to heal, but he'll go back for either of us once I've done the initial feed to sleep/vvv drowsy. Helpful as it means i can go out for the evening guilt free!

I'd feel different if he was a picky eater, but a 10mo with a good daytime appetite should be fine to sleep all night with no food. I've done one night feed since September, and that was 3:15 Friday morning - he's cutting molars and got a filthy cold, we'd just been through 2 1/2 hours of him shouting to be put to sleep (different to the distressed cry which means nappy change or calpol, occasionally drink). When not teething, he sleeps 6-6:30. That's from 2 hourly wake ups, and regular hour long crying jags in the early hours.

Ssh, don't tell my sling-cloth-nappy-hippy friends they'll tell me off sternly and look disappointed at me wink

WLmum Sat 23-Nov-13 20:14:40

That's lovely utopian. Enjoy these precious times. Have you tried an ovulation rest kit? If you are ovulating there's less pressure to stop bfing?
lazza although she might not like the change, she'll be fine. Offer alternatives to boob and she'll decide if she wants them. When I went cold turkey with dd2 she didn't really replace the boob feeds with anything (a dummy after a bit) as they weren't about nutrition but comfort.
DH and I are exhausted. Looking forward to an early night, a cuddle and as much sleep as possible!

MrsNutella Sat 23-Nov-13 20:38:25

Evening ladies. Sorry, can I just jump on the back of the feeding chat... DS has three bottles during the day and two small ones at night.... Do you think I could cut one out? The weird thing is he isn't eating much breakfast at the moment, lunch is hit and miss but dinner is usually a success. I'd rather he ate more and drank less but I'm it sure what he really "needs" if you see what I mean.... Although I'm sure the "every baby is different" rule also applies.

Ds has one bottle in the morning and one at night. Cows milk 6oz each time. I'm going to try to swap the morning one for a cup soon.

WLmum Sat 23-Nov-13 20:57:50

nutella 3 bottles during the day sounds quite a lot. I would be tempted to drop one and try to replace it with more food.

We've gone right off course with eating over the last 3ish weeks of teething/cold/teething. Cold seems to be getting better and she ate more today but I was at work so no boob from 6 til 6 and DH forgot to give her a cup of formula!

MrsNutella Sat 23-Nov-13 21:12:37

WL Hmmmm.... He doesn't drink that much - we usually make a 180ml bottles and there is often around 40-60ml left.... I guess I could try smaller bottles. He has one after his first morning nap (in the hope he eats breakfast). One after the long afternoon nap (ha, ok, the afternoon nap.... It's gone back to 30 mins hmm) and then one at bedtime. The bedtime bottle is the biggest (200ml I think) and he often drinks most of it...
The nighttime ones are 125ml I think.... And he usually finishes them....
I would like to night wean... But I know I'll do that when I have to.

I would swap the afternoon bottle for a snack?

WLmum Sat 23-Nov-13 21:45:40

I'm not really one to talk at the moment though nutella as T has boob first thing and last thing always, then usually one feed at some point if in working and 2 if I'm not, plus 1-2 during the night. Obviously with boob I've no idea how much milk she takes. She's not always great eater so a bit catch 22 I guess. I'm not bothered yet, waiting til it works itself out or I decide its time to change.

grin @ willy tail BEASTY. When I was 18 my then boyfriend asked his 6yo step brother what his tail was for, he looked at him like he was thick and said "Duh, weeing!" We'd have been in deep shit if he'd said anything else.

I'm exhausted, been to a 1st birthday party today. I also began night weaning last night after DS slept through for MiL without a feed. He woke at 3:30 so I shush patted for almost an hour and then coslept. I'll tackle cosleeping once he's weaned!

He only had 2 bottles yesterday - at 7pm and 9:30. 2 x 7oz.

Next doors dog has been locked out in the cold. It's going apeshit. So would I, it's fucking freezing out there!

ddas Sat 23-Nov-13 22:23:58

Dd has a feed when wakes up, after afternoon nap & before bed but we're in the process of cutting the afternoon one out as less interested in dinner due to it. Before it was boob with bottle top up, now just boob & next week a food snack instead.
I'd think if not interested in breakfast or lunch may be due to filling himself up at night with milk but you have to night wean when you feel ready to.
Once we get past a yr milk won't have sufficient nutients especially iron- this is why milk requirements should decrease and food increase to prevent anaemia.

ddas Sat 23-Nov-13 22:26:12

I'm hoping tonight will be better than last couple as desperate for sleep. Cold & teeth bad plus a naturally clingy baby not a good combination.

utopian99 Sun 24-Nov-13 01:37:27

Just written and deleted a massive rant about sleep training. O has been awake and miserable for an hour and a half. How the hell can that be a good thing? Am feeding him and fuck all this.

That's the conclusion I always reach with sleep training Utopian. If it makes you and your baby miserable then it's not working for you thanks

I'm feeding DS back to sleep as yet again his nappy had leaked everywhere. The wee was concentrated all around the front of his nappy and hadn't spread out along the length. I'm going to open a new box and if it's a dodgy batch then woe betide pampers! Hell hath no fury like a tired mummy! ( autocorrect changed that to ninny, it may be right).

2blessed Sun 24-Nov-13 06:53:34

utopian d o what is best for you and your family cake

[willyou] we've had the same problem here 2 nights/mornings this week. Was a bit baffled confused

I was getting bottles ready before going to bed when R woke up just as motd was starting. Took him in with me and we both drifted off. DP must have come and put him in his cot, cos I woke up in a panic when I sensed he wasnt there. So this is my first wake up. Quick trip to the toilet and then seasoned up the meat for today's dinner, lamb chops - yum

WLmum Sun 24-Nov-13 07:07:37

Wow 2blessed that's a great sleep!
utopian when I did sleep training with T the first night did take 1.5 hours of cuddling/rocking/shushing etc to get her to settle without boob. The time reduced vastly with each wake up and in a few days it was just a quick pat. BUT then there was teething and a cold and she was obviously feeling so rotten I wanted to offer any comfort possible. So we're back to 1-2 boob back to sleep per night. For me, I'm not sure it's worth the effort just yet when clearly it will be derailed with every tooth and she's still only just cutting her third! I know you're doing for fertility but stressing everyone won't help that either! Do you still feed him in the day? If you don't/stop and its only a bit at night surely that's not enough to stop you ovulating? Don't beat yourself up, things will work themselves out I'm sure. [hug]

lazzaroo Sun 24-Nov-13 08:30:37

It's interesting to see everyone having same thoughts about feeding....when to stop, how much food, snacks, night weaning etc etc. It's why I keep checking in...to remind myself it's not just me!

Last night was ok. I didn't feed her till she woke at 5.15am. She woke a couple of times in the night but there was no mammoth screaming fit, so really think she's ok without boob. She even settled for me quickly with just a cuddle. I just fed her again before her nap & then I'll try no more till bedtime again.

I do agree though utopian, if we'd had a real battle last night I would have fed her. You have to think of everyone. I dream of a nights sleep like that 2blessed!

Swimming pool party today! Dh is going to swim with dd1. Me & baby lazza will probably just chill in the cafe with coffee & cake! smile

FriendofDorothy Sun 24-Nov-13 08:49:06

We have been doing some Sleep Training with The Little Mister. Loosely following the Supernanny advice on her website so we have been doing Controlled Timed Crying.

So, we have a much clearer bedtime routine now. Boob in the lounge, Daddy takes him into the bedroom, gives him a story and puts him to bed. Then we leave him for 2 minutes if he cries, go back in and shush him and lie him down again, leave him for 4 minutes, back in again, then leave for 8 mins etc etc. It works a treat!

On the first night it took 38 minutes of crying, the second night it took 8 and the third night he was asleep in 2, the 4th night it was about 4 minutes.

Barbeasty Sun 24-Nov-13 09:24:44

I woke up in the night to find A lying sideways across the bed, with his head hanging over the edge. Discovered this morning that the crashing which had woken me up was him pulling my mobile onto the floor.

We were also woken up ar midnight by DD screaming. She'd managed to set the alarm on the clock radio in her room for midnight, and it was a beeping tone so terrified her.

This morning she was playing in the hall with A. She meandered into the kitchen, where I was getting her breakfast. Where was he? "He's on the stairs mummy, he thinks it's funny". Thankfully only 5 stairs up.....

A manages with 1 bottle in the day most of the week, a bit more when I'm at home. But he makes up for it overnight. I'll be dealing with it in the fortnight I have off over Christmas.

WLmum Sun 24-Nov-13 13:30:08

I'm currently trying to force feed T my left boob - it's so sore! I must have a blockage. At 11 months in I'd have thought all that was behind us.

utopian99 Sun 24-Nov-13 14:50:32

Ooh, sorry for the blockage wl, and your experience sounds great fod. For us it took 40 minutes on the first night, and 40 minutes each time when he woke twice in the night, and the same or worse for a week since then, culminating in almost 2 hours last night. I got really distressed and then said some unfair and stupid things to dh, so we had a big talk this morning and are back to cuddle to sleep I think for now.

It also turns out he is pretty coldy again, which I'm sure is made it worse but explains last night and makes me feel even worse about it. I just wonder what people did in the previous centuries? Co slept till they grew out of it? Left them with the nanny to CIO and tough on the poor thing?

I think we both feel messed up by the mixed messages about sleep advice. If we weren't trying for another I'd be up for sending him to sleep in his cot as normal and feeding at night. He's giving up milk in the day of his own accord anyway so I know it'll happen on it's own.

Barbeasty Sun 24-Nov-13 17:28:07

Utopian probably one or the other depending on how wealthy or otherwise they were!

Don't stress yourself with night weaning. The stress is as likely to delay things as any feeding.

I'd got pregnant with DD 1st month (much to DH's shock! ) but it took 6 months to conceive A. I was still feeding 3 months later. Just in the evening.

Good luck with the blockage WL.

MrsNutella Sun 24-Nov-13 19:55:00

Spotty I didn't have time to come back to the thread before, funnily enough I did offer him a snack this afternoon. He munched on it for a bit but I caved and gave him milk because he hadn't eaten much lunch.

Utopian DS is also coldy. He has been horrible to get to sleep the last couple of nights and I feel bad that it was perhaps because he was feeling a bit poorly hmm poor little babies. I do wish I could be more patient with him sometimes... But I do miss sleeping long, deep and all night long!

Speaking of seeping... DS was a bit whingey during the night (think it was the cold he decided to develop) so we gave him some ibuprofen. Then at 7:30 I thought he was awake but when I picked him up and took him to bed for a cuddle I realised he still had his eyes shut. He slept until 8:10. Although he wriggled a fair bit, poked me in the neck a lot (which hurt) and moaned a lot as well it was nice to cuddle him. smile

utopian99 Sun 24-Nov-13 19:59:50

Thanks beasty that's heartening. Feeling much happier about less angst tonight. Poor O has a filthy cold but dosed up on calpol has had quite a happy day on the whole with both dh and me to play with, while making tiffin and clearing leaves. Apparently throwing his Sophie into the bath with great force is a hilarious new game!

Went to London zoo yesterday for a friend's 30th, which he loved too. He is so generally happy, I hope it stays that way.

Hope everyone else had good weekends and sorry for my ranting.

2blessed Sun 24-Nov-13 20:37:02

utopian thats what we're here for cake. I would have been very lonely at times and constantly scratching my head if it wasn't for this (and ante natal) thread over the last year.

I've had a few hours to myself that I've used to clean. The place was just looking like a dump site. Watching x-factor and then afters while I watch homeland.

WLmum Sun 24-Nov-13 22:39:19

utopian tiffin is my fave! And I rather like raking leaves too! Mentioned ours to DH today but ran out of time. Will do them soon.
I've got a red patch on the outside of my boob :-(.

I've opened another pack of nappies and I still have a soaking wet baby and an only half filled nappy. I may try moving him back to 4s instead of 4+. He has been in 4+ a few weeks but maybe he's grown and changed shape and they've started to leak? Clutching at straws!

WL if it's red it sounds like mastitis. I'd get to a doctor ASAP before it really gets you. Massage and hand express in the bath/shower.

Keeping dd home from nursery today as she has a horrendous cough and fever, which she's had all weekend

FriendofDorothy Mon 25-Nov-13 07:28:45

We have a tooth! At last!

WLmum Mon 25-Nov-13 07:32:46

Hoorah fod!
Poor dd spotty. Dd1 has had an awful cough the last few days.
I think boob feels a bit better today. Just going to hot shower it and will feed T from it again before going to work. I'll make a dr apt if need be.

utopian99 Mon 25-Nov-13 08:08:39

Hurrah for tooth minifod!

We have horribly snotty clingy baby. He cried when dh left for work. sad Think we'll have a quiet snuggly day for him - not sure he'd cope with the sitter in his current state.

Barbeasty Mon 25-Nov-13 09:23:40

More snotty DC here. And DD is meant to be having her MMR booster this afternoon. We'll have to see how it goes.

And at 4am I woke up as A was crawling across the bed to get to the pint of water on the bedside table. I got him just in time!

Equimum Mon 25-Nov-13 10:43:38

Yay FoD

Oh no Spotty, Utopian and Beasty. I hope all your LOs feel better soon.

Beasty, I had to smile at the water attempt. DS shared his sickness bug with DH and I, so we shut ourselves in the living room on Saturday, laid on the floor and let DS (who had recovered by then), play around us. In the afternoon, he spotted DH's glass of water on the sofa arm which just happened to be above DH's head at the time - it's was amazing how quickly DH could move, despite feeling poorly, when having a glass of cold water poured over him brightened my day

MrsNutella Mon 25-Nov-13 11:59:49

Equimum that sounds hilarious your poor DH grin DS has a thing for glasses of water and will move at top speed to investigate.

Well, yesterday DS was shooting out big strings of gooey snot with every other sneeze; this morning at about 4:50 he did some very strange breathing sad a really dry rasping sound. We stood out on the balcony with him and rang the local children's hospital (which fortunately is about 3 minutes drive away). We gave him "subitmol" (sp?) and that also didn't seem to do much. He was ok in himself but very rattly.

So we took him to the hospital. They gave him something to inhale for a few minutes and when that didn't help a cortisone suppository. The dr was really nice and 30 mins after the suppository she still wasn't happy and said we could take him home, but he needs medicine every 3-4 hours or we could leave him at the hospital.
We decided to take him home stupid DH where we fought him back to sleep. Then at 8 am DH who had given up on sleep, went to the pharmacy and they said they couldn't give him what was on the prescription because the dr hadn't filled it in properly angry
So I had to ring the dr after 9am and eventually got through at 10:15 ish. I fibbed a bit and said DS was having more problems breathing. Along we went, got seen at about midday and honestly, it was the quickest appointment ever! And now I'm so angryangry Because I had questions but it takes a while to formulate them and of course the dr is gone by then sad I hate going to the dr here!!! It makes me feel so rubbish sad