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Jan 2013: Part Six. Part SIX!

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Angielka Wed 23-Oct-13 09:52:07

As I so frivolously finished the last thread, I thought I'd better start a new one. Go!

glorious Wed 23-Oct-13 10:58:08

New thread, hooray!

Thanks for the good wishes meringue and angielka. fingers crossed the boss does say that, I haven't got through yet.

glorious Wed 23-Oct-13 11:49:22

Not quite as good as all that but I do have my new hours provisionally agreed smile

Ooh, shiny! So sorry to hear about your mum glorious hope it's all a mountain out of a molehill and she's fine.

Well, progress in Cupcake towers. I just rang the HVs again about DS' sleep - last night we had awful screaming until 11pm, when I finally co-slept and he spent the night propped up against my tummy. Didn't expect much help as my HV is useless, but she's on a course so I was directed to a different HV, who listened to me for about 2 minutes and promptly said it sounds like classic reflux and get him to the doctor ASAP. We're off to the sit and wait clinic this afternoon so maybe, just maybe, we'll be sorted out.

Don't really know whether to be relieved that somebody finally listened to me or unbelievably sad that DS has quite possibly been in a lot of pain all this time. sad

CreepyCrawly Wed 23-Oct-13 11:58:03

Fingers crossed for you cupcakes, don't beat yourself up, you weren't to know. And for you and your mum glorious.

Not a great night here, up from 3 until 5 and then I couldn't get back to sleep so have pretty much been awake since 3, with loads to do today. And now a nap refuser.

Had a huge row this morning, because I'm mental and crazy and unreasonable because I don't want this girl staying over the night of the works christmas do. "Oh I've already told her now". Well fucking untell her!

Love the name change pascha. Don't think I need a halloween themed change grin

CreepyCrawly Wed 23-Oct-13 12:00:14

And thanks for the new thread angie. I echo the SIX?!

lollipoppi Wed 23-Oct-13 12:40:37

Hope your mums ok glorious! thanks

Cupcakes that's great hope you get some answers at the doctors! Not so great on the girl staying at your house front, do you know her that well?

lollipoppi Wed 23-Oct-13 13:37:13

Sorry, sleep deprived! I meant to say creepy not so great on the girl front! Sorry cupcakes!

Tugstonia Wed 23-Oct-13 13:56:39

Cripes, thread 6! Thanks for the new thread Angie.

Just trying to catch up with everyone's news as haven't been on for a while. flowers to you and your mum glorious, do hope she's ok. and flowers to creepy and cupcakes as well. Hope your DHs get their shit together, and hope the HV sorts out your DS sleep cupcakes.

DD slept for 12.5 hours last night without waking! This is after about a week of waking every hour until midnight and then waking up for the day at 5am... She then projectile vomited this morning in the car on the way back from Sainsbury's sad I think she's carsick rather than sick sick, poor little mite. And now the car stinks

Bunty how is your DD now?

DD's still not interested in crawling/moving. She loves the door bouncer though. Her latest thing is pointing. And giving me big, slobbery kisses smile

CreepyCrawly Wed 23-Oct-13 14:18:26

I do know her, but I'm not comfortable with her and DH's friendship. Especially because the plan is - she comes here with DH after work to get ready, we all go out for food. I come home after eating to relieve mil of babysitting duties while they stay out and get a taxi back. Tell me I'm not being unreasonable to not be happy with that arrangement!

Way to go on the sleep tugs, car sick is shit though. I had it so bad for years. Love the pointing and kisses grin Nancy has started scrunching her nose up and now breathing heavily, a bit like a demon haha

lollipoppi Wed 23-Oct-13 15:28:58

YANBU! stupid planning on behalf of your DH, and stupid arse for even thinking this is ok!

It's ds1 birthday tomorrow he will be 3,
Even more shocking is that DD will be 1 in 13 weeks!!! shockshockshockshock Where has the time gone??

Creepy I agree with the others, your DH is being a plonker. Does he realise it's not on and just not care, or genuinely not see the issue?

tugs I swear by ginger for car sickness (biscuits, cake, whatever). Used to run a brownie pack and whenever we went on coach trips I would hand out ginger biscuits before we left. Never had a girl be sick - not even the ones who we were told had chronic travel sickness.

So after 2 hours waiting to see the GP we finally got in - he actually didn't seem convinced it was reflux on the basis that DS is never sick (isn't that why they call it silent??), but I think realised I wasn't leaving until he did something so he prescribed gaviscon. Gave DS a dose tonight and when I tipped him back to start rocking him he went to scream as usual, then just looked really shocked and lay quietly in my arms and went to sleep. Maybe we will actually make progress. I don't even care if he still wakes up every two hours - so long as he doesn't wake up screaming as if he's in agony!

Lostbobbles Thu 24-Oct-13 08:56:11

Happy Birthday to your DS Lolli

Creepy, what is your DH playing at, you need to tell him that she is not staying as neither will he be if he carries on with this shit. Wonder how he would feel in role reversal situ?!

Glorious big hugs and best wishes to you and your poor mummy thanks

Cupcakes, my DD1 had silent reflux and was hardly ever sick. Feel so sorry that if it is, it wasn't picked up on sooner but main thing now is they are listening. If gaviscon seems to not be working after a while ask for stronger meds. Also may want to add some prunes and other 'bowel movers' into his diet as it can be do constipating. Wish him well x

Not much going on here, DD2 sleeping much better and is standing unaided for about 30 seconds before carefully sitting down. bet she won't walk for ages

Week one of half term is nearly over and DH back tom grin

Angielka Thu 24-Oct-13 12:19:07

Happy birthday to DS lolli DD1 was 3 at the end of September. Can't believe I'm grown up enough to have such a big daughter!

MIL is staying. I popped out for a coffee with my maternity replacement this morning and just before I left, she put Molly on the sofa and walked away to find a toy to give her... I shouted calmly pointed out that Molly can now crawl and perhaps putting her on the floor might be safer than the sofa. If we make it to Monday without me losing it, it will be a miracle smile

Angielka Thu 24-Oct-13 12:19:38

How was the night cupcakes?

Tugstonia Thu 24-Oct-13 14:43:40

Ok so I think DD actually was sick sick rather than carsick... My neighbours have all had this D&V bug going round and I've had very dodgy tummy too for the last 24 hours sad Grim.

Our 12.5 hour record sleep was indeed a one-off. Last night madam wouldn't settle and was up countless times after midnight.

Cupcakes how was your night?

Angie shock at your MIL leaving Molly on the sofa!

YANBU Creepy, sorry your DH is being thick. He needs to put himself in your shoes.

Our night was quite good. Did the bed time routine and when I lay him back in my arms to rock him to sleep he wrinkled up his face and started to scream but after literally a second he just stopped, looked a bit shocked, closed his eyes and went to sleep. Normally he screams for up to an hour before dropping off. He then woke at 9pm and 10pm, but then went until 3.30am. Woke for the day at 7.20. No screaming at any point so I'm happy with that!

I'm supposed to give it a week then make an appointment with the GP to discuss long term treatment.

Our dogs have started going into DS' room to check on him before we go to bed. So cute.

CreepyCrawly Thu 24-Oct-13 18:04:52

Thanks all. He's being a bit of a dick. He asked me to think about it, we might be rock solid by then and it'll be fine for her to stay. It's 100% not happening.

Happy birthday littlelolli! Hope he had a fab day.

Yikes at your mil angie! They move so quick now don't they, can't be left for a second. Lucky you were still there to tell her!

Hope you're both better soon tugs

Yay on a better night cupcakes, hopefully it'll continue. Dogs are great aren't they! Mine nudges Nancy when she's crawling towards something she shouldn't be. And tries to swap toys with her. He's just been making her laugh by sniffing her toes

angiel it must be a generational thing. My step mum tried to sit DS on a kitchen stool a few months back (when he was only about 6 months old) and wondered off! Thank god I was right there to grab hold of him. She managed to raise three children of her own but I guess they had a few bumps and bruises along the way!

Creepy I have to say even my DH thinks your DH is being a dick, and mine thought it would be OK to invite his ex fiancé to our wedding hmm.

I bloody love gaviscon. And yoghurt in a pouch.

CreepyCrawly Fri 25-Oct-13 09:57:51

On a kitchen stool?! Whaaaat?! It does make you wonder how the human race has survived doesn't it!

Up 4 times last night, and started the day at 5:30. A top tooth is poking through now so hopefully it was that. I miss my excellent sleeper sad

I had cake for breakfast.

Angielka Fri 25-Oct-13 10:21:15

I'm eating M&Ms creepy. It helps smile She'll be back to sleeping properly now the tooth is out. Believe!

LOL cupcakes I think they just forget. It was such a long time since they had little babies to care for, they forget exactly what it entails...

Had quiet morning so far - MIL took a sleeping pill last night and is still in bed.

glorious Fri 25-Oct-13 15:59:03

Yay cupcakes what a change! But a kitchen stool shock

I am getting to the end of my tether with sleep sad This cold has made things even worse and now she's teething too. Going to have to try gradual retreat or pick up put down or something because I just can't cope with any more months of hourly wakings sad She's bloody grumpy while awake atm too so it's just miserable.

Sorry he's still being idiotic creepy

glorious Fri 25-Oct-13 15:59:55

Should add I'm not proposing to start anything until she's better. Maybe that's why it won't gohmm

salt1 Fri 25-Oct-13 16:51:29

hurray have found you. just need to catch up now ...

lollipoppi Fri 25-Oct-13 17:24:49

Well DP has joined the twat club today, having a ding dong at me about the house! The house is clean and tidy, but the kitchen cupboards are a mess!!??
Who the fuck gives a shit about the state if my tins in the kitchen fucking cupboards!!

Oh and to top it off I dropped the grill tray on the floor after cooking and spilt hot fat and oil all over my brand new brown leather winter boots, it's the first thing I've bought myself in about a year and they're ruined hmm

Sorry, rant over!

DS had a lovely bday yesterday, now just got to prepare for his party on Sunday!

shock At all the DMs/MILs leaving babas in silly places!! It's so easy to forget how fast they can move!

Cupcakes glad you kind of had a better night, hope the gaviscon is doing the trick! DD is on that too and we saw improvement in sleep within a few nights

Just off to collect DS from nursery, it's pissing it down and my cars broke hmm

Lolli I have the opposite problem - I will spend hours organising kitchen cupboards and completely neglect to vacuum (and with 2 hairy dogs vacuuming is fairly necessary). DH doesn't notice any of it though so that's OK. What a shame about your boots - I would be gutted sad

glorious we use a calpol-plug in when DS has a cold and they're amazing. Think I might have mentioned them before so apologies if you've already tried! I feel your pain, though - it's just exhausting. Somehow the fact that he's tired / grumpy makes me feel worse, too.

Very jealous of all the cake and M&Ms...

Lora1982 Fri 25-Oct-13 20:45:07

Im glad no one seems to be suffering today :-D I feel bad coming to say that we are running smoothly here.

We did have a hiccup with food for a couple of days, he seemed to really go off lumpy food, screaming, kicking, the lot, but I figured out its because he was in his rocky chair and he's not sat upright and since moving to the high chair hes been fine.

For colds we use the plug in from calpol too refills are a rip off I also put some snuffle babe and olbas oil in a tub of boiling water. His room smelled potent!

6 days till my last payslip then two months of zero. Im so proud ive managed to save nearly a grand so I can pay my bills those two months! Anyone who knows me will know that its a massive achievement for me, im so crap with money.

On the m&ms situ my friend from work fetched me a massive bag of the peanut butter ones back (last time I had them, I had saved them for three months to have as my reward for pushing a child out)theyve clearly all gone now.

Lora1982 Fri 25-Oct-13 21:18:54

On a side note I wanted to make a gravy dexter can have... so I googled baby gravy, dont do it ladies, im still non the wiser how to make it for him.

Hi all. Glad to hear some sleep improvement, hopinf all the babies start sleeping through soon as we are so close to birthdays smile

Have been having trouble connecting to internet and discovered why this morning as i watched Ivy remove phone line from the wall! Beginninf to think this child needs a cage! She then spent ages standing against a chair whilst trying to pull the curtains down confused

Creepy hope your dh is starting to grow up. What a fool, surely making surw you're happy is more important than some random flowers

Lora well done on the savings.

My dcs all halloween discos at school last night. Far too much sugar was consumed and they were up too late ans have been a nightmare today but clearly had a great time. Now on half term so trying to decide how to keep them amused without spending any more money.

Pascha Sat 26-Oct-13 07:58:12

Hello everyone. Thanks for the new thread Angiel Thought I'd better namechange back just for this thread otherwise I get confused. (doesn't take much, especially today).

Apple Dan has a thing for wires, he's disconnected me more than once thlgrin. Not sockets (yet) but it can't be long I don't think. His brother never had that fixation so we never really babyproofed them. More fool us.
Creepy your dh is an idiot. I hope he sees sense soon.

I have a woolly fuzzy head this morning. DS1 had a very sudden severe attack of croup (!) at 10 last night. Struggling to breathe so much he was blue-lighted to A&E where we spent the next 5 hours. 2 nebulisers later his O2 sats are back up in the mid nineties and we are home again. He is fast asleep in bed, DH is fast asleep in bed since 6am. I got to bed at 5am and Dan woke me for the day at 7.15am <yawn>

I have a bucket of tea and the internet and the telly and Daniel is happily wrecking the living room and kitchen smile No breakfast yet but I will get round to it in a while.

Pascha Sat 26-Oct-13 08:14:37

Ok girls. Two links for you on entirely different subjects

1.www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/html/videos.html The top video is very useful information. Watch it all the way through. As our ninja warriors are all getting about or on the brink now its pertinent I think.

2. Birthday present idea Half price.

3.Babies laughing at dogs Well, you can never get enough of that can you?

Happy weekends!

lollipoppi Sat 26-Oct-13 08:42:14

Oh my god pascha that must have been so scary! Glad he is ok and your back home now!
Sending you some matchsticks to get through today!

Pashca! Hope you guys are all doing OK today. Thanks for the links - will check them out later as for some reason my PC speakers aren't working... <checks for pulled out wires>

I have buggered up the morning nap. Tried to transfer him to his cot but he woke and once he's had about 5 minutes of sleep, he won't go back to sleep if woken up. So he's now pushing the dog bowl around the floor. One step forward, two steps back.

Picked up a Scout toy in Sainsbury's yesterday as a Christmas pressie for DS. Down to £11.99 at the moment.

octanegirl Sat 26-Oct-13 10:20:19

Lora Baby Gravy hahahaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

Found you all!

lora we use kallo very low salt stock cubes, you could add a cornflour to thicken it into gravy. Well done on the savings.

Sorry to those having hard times idiot dhs , Pascha that sounds scary.

Dd slept through last night till <drumroll> 7am smile

Love the slide thing pascha. I have been lurking on the Christmas bargains thread and have bought loads from there

Pascha Sat 26-Oct-13 13:33:07

Me too, MrsBug I have a cupboard full of christmas presents now.

Just caught up with all the posts now. Cupcakes I hope the gaviscon makes a difference for you.

Dan has been standing +*8888-
holding 8on to the edge of the 8sofa6 6f8aor some time now77 and he's currently helping me type [7-+*********************************

OY! ge-t o2ff you little horror

got to go and

Pascha Sat 26-Oct-13 13:35:27

Disaster averted by application of phone to baby. Normal service resumes.

Gosh i'm so tired, i'd forgotten what its like. All parents of non-sleepers you have my sympathy.

grin at Dan helping you type Pascha

Question of the day here is: right who drew on the baby?!

Pascha that must have been scary. Srnding flowers brew and cake to get you through the day.

Pascha Sat 26-Oct-13 15:32:02

Oh god they're fighting over cars again hmm Is this how it goes from now on?

Apple who are the protagonists? Biro or felt tip? Are they all blaming each other?

CreepyCrawly Sat 26-Oct-13 17:01:55

shock at baby gravy!

lolli what a cheek! I'd get everything out of the cupboards and put it all on the work top! Gutted about the boots, and the car sad

Well done on the saving lora. I'm pay free now too.

How frightening pascha! And thanks for the links.

Love the idea of a cage apple. Have you found the culprit yet?

A better day here. Big row last night, followed by a big talk (and a big make up), and she's not staying now. I think I got through to him that it was totally unacceptable. Thank you a for making me feel less crazy.

A better night last night too, our radio broke and it seems Nancy now prefers silence for sleeping.

Wrt the clocks going back, I've just had my extra hour on the sofa grin

Lora1982 Sat 26-Oct-13 17:38:22

I got baby stock cubes so I'll nip shops for cornflour, thanks. Much better idea than google.

We have a cage already I use it so I can make food in peace and have five mins. Dp calls it the naughty box though and I keep having a go cos I dont want him to learn what it means!

When will he stop choking on his biscuits ffs babies are so selfish.

pascha i'm afraid the fighting will probably drive you nuts! Dd1 is my main suspect as she has form for colouring herself in. Was a washable crayola as i learnt long ago that they are easiest to wash off grin

creepy i need the cage so i can go to the loo without having to worry where madam has got to

Angielka Sat 26-Oct-13 19:33:25

Argh! Anyone else's baby grinding their teeth? Since Molly's top ones came in she's started doing it and it's just awful. Sends shivers down my spine!

Angiel all mine have done that it drives me crackers! Its like nails on a blackboard...arrrggh hmm

Yep, DS is driving me crackers with his teeth grinding! Hope the novelty wears off soon.

Birdies Sat 26-Oct-13 20:41:57

Hi everyone - need to catch up on all your news - will have a good read tomorrow so this is a quick me post, but finally got DD1 's results and is good news! As good as we could have hoped for anyway, nothing getting worse which is brill. Am celebrating by stuffing face.

The only bit I did read quickly above is pascha's link to something which I'm now going to have to buy, damn it! Actually really want some things X can climb on as she's trying to climb on everything so that could be a good thing to get.

salt1 Sat 26-Oct-13 22:12:41

baby gravy haha x x (isn't that what bill Clinton offered Monica whatshername) x

Oh poo! There is fucking rain coming into the living room! Seems roof over bay window has given up. Yet another phonecall to landlord sad

Sorry Birdies should have said yay to good results for dd1! smile0

Lora1982 Sat 26-Oct-13 23:02:14

The teeth grindings very temporary I think. Dexter didnt do it long, probably because of the disgusted face I gave him.

So whats ppl getting for xmas? Im leaving most to the gp's not the drs I bought a panda outfit for our entertainment, a new fluffy blankey and im making a bauble & stocking

Lora1982 Sat 26-Oct-13 23:03:05

Ugh apologies for use of the word blankey...

glorious Sun 27-Oct-13 04:55:10

Yay for DD1 birdies and boo to windows apples and grinding teeth. No teeth to grind yet here but some impressive bumps so I don't think it'll be long.

Mum's skin issue is fine grin One down one to go.

Ellen is asleep but I'm awake confused

Anyone seen bunty ? Hope she's ok.

salt1 Sun 27-Oct-13 05:22:34

glad dd1 is ok birdies. hope water situation is better apples. teeth grinding yuk but no teeth here perhaps some coming as been up for 2hours crying and shitting. even woke dp x

Birdies Fantastic news for DD1 and glorious great news about your mum. Apple hope the landlord fixes the leak promptly. Are you likely to get caught in the storms predicted for the next few days? salt that must be pretty bad - of your DP is anything like mine an atomic bomb wouldn't wake him! Hope you're all OK.

Lora so far we've got a Scout Toy (paid for with nectar points), Toot Toot Drivers set (paid for with voucher), some books, stacking rings, and some cars. Need to get a few stocking fillers - mostly bath stuff really. I'm also making the stocking, as well as a stuffed elephant. Really must get on with it!

Resisting the temptation to google baby gravy...

Does anybody know how to explain Daylight Savings to a 9-month old?

Meringue33 Sun 27-Oct-13 09:02:59

God Pascha glad DS1 is home safe. Good news about your mum too, Glorious.

Love the slide. Where would you put it - the garden?? They have one like that at the feral mums & tots group I've started going to.

I was thinking about this or this for Christmas.

I saw Bunty on the bf threads this morning, so she is around!

Pascha Sun 27-Oct-13 09:35:58

The blocks thing is good. We have a similar ride-on type thing from DS1's first birthday (Wilson from Chuggington actually) and we have races now with DS1 on his little scooter thing and me holding Dan on Wilson and beeping the horn chasinig round and round the kitchen grin

Must dig a picture up of him on it.

I dunno really about the climbing frame thingy - if you have space indoors then it would be perfect, otherwise, good to keep for the garden in the spring/summer. DS1 had a folding plastic slide from someone which was good for indoors in the winter as it was easily tucked away. It still gets good use.

Christmas is pretty much covered for us with the vtech walker and some WOW cars and bits. DS1's stocking is filling up nicely. He's 3 so the first year he really has an idea. I've got foam gliders, a slinky and a whoopee cushion to go in as well as some chocolate coins and Cars moccassins.

I just love stockings. It was always the best bit for me on christmas morning seeing it on the end of my bed. All the tat is so exciting at 4am smile

Lora1982 Sun 27-Oct-13 20:01:34

Ooh ive demanded told mum about the toot toot cars, he like them.

Dogs taken a dislike to him crawling, not sure what to do. He growled and went to his box the other day but tonight he like nudged him on the arse

cupcakes looks like we will be getting some of this storm early tomorrow sad it was a sudden massive downpour last night that produced the leak dp thinks some lead come up on roof as if i have any idea what that means Feel like i am constantly calling agency as something else breaks sad

lora already got Ivy some toot toot cars for her birthday,am busting to play with them myself blush

For xmas have got her building blocks --which i had to wrestle off my older dc--puzzles and aquadoodle. She doesn't need much as she is happy to play with her siblings. If they sit on the floor for long enough she uses them to pull up. Its so cute!

Anyone elses baby find today hard? The clocks may have changed but no one told Ivy..she was a nightmare after 5.30 and in bed by 6.15 as she hadn't slept since 12

Lora1982 Sun 27-Oct-13 22:19:39

Same h,awake at 5.30 slept for twenty minutes after boob at 8 slept at 10 but NOTHING again til 7

Grr shes just been up crying, normally i am safe til at least 2 sad

Managed to get her back down without a boob though..so thats something... hmm

<prays for sleep>

Meringue33 Mon 28-Oct-13 07:25:58

Slept 7.30-4.45 which is pretty good... Won't go back to sleep though!!!

Apple we also had a nightmare day yesterday - naps and feeds all over the place. He wasn't even in sync with his routine on BST hmm. Seems OK today though - only 2 wake ups in the night and up for the day at 6am like normal.

Lora Have you tried doing some positive reward based training with your dog? Whenever your DS is crawling around randomly give the dog a treat (or a piece of kibble from his daily ration if you're worried about weight). Make sure you don't treat him if he growls. The worst thing you could do is tell him off for growling - dogs do a very set routine when concerned about something: Freeze, Growl, Snap, Bite. Humans find the Freeze hard to spot so the first thing we usually see is Growl. If you do anything to stop the growl (aside from teaching him not to be afraid), he may well go straight to Snap, which is obviously not good. Do anything you can to make your DS crawling a positive experience for your dog, and make sure DS doesn't antagonise him. (sorry - dog trainer here!)

Are we not supposed to play with check the toys before giving them to our DCs? Would be a tragedy if they opened them on Christmas Day and they didn't work!

lollipoppi Mon 28-Oct-13 09:13:23

Good new for your DD birdies and your mum glorious!
Apple sorry about your leak hope they get it sorted soon!

We had DS1 bday party yesterday, he had a fab time but is defo all birthdayed out now and very tired and grumpy today.

Horrible night last night, DD was up screaming twice and DS1 was up twice too confused

Highlight of my day so far ..... Dd has done her first solid poo in 3 weeks! Whoop grin

Tugstonia Mon 28-Oct-13 09:35:21

Morning all. Yes we're all screwed up here too because of daylight savings... DD did sleep from 6pm to 5.30am though so that's a good run. The previous few nights she's been a nightmare. She has a streaming nose and phlegmmy cough the poor lamb. And she's constipated so we've been feeding her prunes - no sign of any poo yet though. Yay Lolli on your DD's solid poo!

Great news about your mum Glorious and your DD1 Birdies! smile Apples hope the landlord can sort out your leak v soon.

Here in S London there's not much sign of the storm. Any of you ladies affected by the storm? It's a bit windy, but I'm not sure it warrants shutting down the entire transport system... DP is 'working from home' today because he can't get to work. Hope we don't drive each other mad!

Lolli 3weeks thlshock

Stormy night here. Dd kept waking, I think because of the wind as her room faces south west and was very noisy. Brought her in with us when we went to bed and all snuggled up including the cat

Dd has worked out that she can stand if she holds onto the furniture but can't quite pull herself up yet, so every time she falls back down I have to go and help her back up again. Not very conducive to me getting anything else done today.

lollipoppi Mon 28-Oct-13 10:43:57

3 long.smelly.disgusting.weeks indeed! confused

We seemed to have escaped the storms, it's just raining lots!

glorious Mon 28-Oct-13 12:57:13

We have a large bit of tree down in our garden in SE London (not our tree).

DH has either pleurisy or a pulmonary embolism (tests in progress) sad

Thanks for good wishes on my mum. Still waiting to hear on breast issue.

HV told me 4 feeds a day was too much (DD not quite 9mo). Pretty sure the advice is still to feed on demand, and of course milk should still be her main source of nutrition. I just smiled and nodded as I was too tired to argue but it's annoying they are often so ill informed.

Sorry, bit of a glum one.

Angielka Mon 28-Oct-13 13:14:59

Oh glorious sad things happen in threes so that's DH, Mum and stupid HV. Fingers crossed on the run of bad luck to stop now... I give Molly 5 feeds still sometimes if she wants it plus one or two at night if pushed and nothing anyone could say would make me change that apart from the night feeds, I'm pulling the plug on that soon

Yay for solid poo lolli grin

Bugsy Molly pulls herself up and loves standing. I'm sure DD will pull herself up soon and let you get on with other things soon. Put her favourite toy on the sofa; she'll soon get the hang of it wink

Hope the messed up body clocks sort themselves out soon. I had both girls awake and ready to get up at 5 this morning, but somehow managed to convince DD1 to go back to bed and brought Molly in with us where she slept until 7.30am. Might not have been able to face the day otherwise.

CreepyCrawly Mon 28-Oct-13 16:58:45

I hope the leak is sorted for you soon apple, what a pain.

glorious, I hope DH and DM are alright. Nancy has about 5 feeds most days and that seems to be the norm for their ages.

Nancy's started doing little hand actions for Twinkle Twinkle, the cutest thing. I also love how much she loves her lamb that she sleeps with (sometimes draped over her face).

Haven't made much of a start on Christmas yet, have got a book and matching cuddly toy from jellycat though. Toot toot cars look fab!

Still feeding on demand here too, DS has three good meals a day plus usually 4 bfs (and still a couple in the night, though this is decreasing now we're sorting the reflux). I smile and nod to what most of the HV says.

glorious do you know how long until you get results back for your DH and DM? Thinking of you.

Not much storm action here, really. I did see a slightly wonky telegraph pole this afternoon though.

I have just booked my first evening out since DS was born - off to the theatre with a friend. I'm stupidly excited but also slightly terrified by the thought as DH will probably have to put DS to bed - not something he's done before. What are the chances that I'll come home and find DS still awake?

DS has learned to wave and click his tongue today. I think we need a video of Nancy doing Twinkle Twinkle so I can see what the actions are.

Lora1982 Mon 28-Oct-13 22:29:10

Thanks cupcakes I'll start the reward whilst he's moving tomorrow, I started giving him more fuss incase it was jealousy and I give him treats while he waits for dexters biscuit to fall on the floor so he associates good times round the baby.

Its odd I realised he was avoiding him but was ok with him playing fetch and tug of war. Its almost as if he thinks he's more dominant than the baby because today we were saying 'errrrm' when dexter was touching something I didnt want him to and the dog reacted how he does when I say errrm to the cat, he came running in with an im here to sort it out face but he stopped before he got to dexter when we shouted him to leave thank god. Im going to be honest n say ive not done his walks so im going to make an effort to slot them in when I send dexter for his nap at ten so that should help too.

Lora depending on the breed and the individual dog it's often mental stimulation they need more than physical (though they will need some exercise!). If we can't get out for a walk a good training session usually wears my two out just as much - if not more so. I usually sit on the floor with a pocket full of treats, DS on his mat with his toys and run through tricks with the dogs. I've also taught DDog 1 to help with the housework (eg unload washing machine, bring laundry from bedroom to kitchen etc) so it's actually a help. The dogs love it and it keeps them entertained. Usually when a dog growls at a crawling baby it's due to fear so keep on with the treats and I'm sure it'll be fine. Dominance theory has been widely discredited in dog training now so it's probably not that. I'll stop now before I bore you all with my dog behaviour soap-boxiness.

Awful night here last night - DH was really late home from work so couldn't help me give DS his gaviscon. Thought I'd managed to get enough into him (though the fact I had to completely change his vest and sleepsuit probably should have hinted that I didn't). Of course he woke up screaming a few hours later and the screaming continued long through the night -even after DH and I re-dosed him. I wonder if he was just really distressed that he thought the pain was over and suddenly it was back - he was really bad last night sad . Ended up bunking down with him and eventually got a few hours sleep but planning a nice easy day today.

I found some really lovely star shaped building blocks online last night and now I can't find them again. Wanted them for Christmas for DS. Hmph.

DanielHellHoundMcSpaniel Tue 29-Oct-13 11:07:58

[[ http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B000XSV60M/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1383043924&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX110_SY165 Tip Top Toys Interstar Rings 24 Chunky Linking Stars]]

Something like this

Pascha Tue 29-Oct-13 11:10:06

Yes that sort of thing! Sure I found them for £5 last night though. Must keep looking!

I've been sitting here freezing my bottom off all morning wondering why, and just realised my lovely DH left the front door open when he went to work this morning. Didn't notice as the door into the porch was shut.

Pascha Tue 29-Oct-13 11:54:38

Bargain. I'm getting some of those!

In our house it's usually me who does dim stuff like leaving the door open. I'm getting better though as ds1 is an escape artist so I lock us in now.

Birdies Tue 29-Oct-13 13:13:59

glorious hope everything with your DH turns out to be ok.

Just seen those linking things, I'm getting some! Debenhams have a 20% of toys sale at the mo and I think there's a code for a further 10%. I bought a few things for my girlies including a massive tractor for £10 (reduced from £20). Just don't know if I will be disciplined enough not to give it to DD1 early!

Creepy Nancy is a little superstar to be signing already!

cupcakes sorry about your shit night.

X has been poorly for over a week now - with a cold and now her cough sounds awful. She's only had one little cold before, I haven't seen one go on this long before. Do I need to do anything other than use calpol? It's just her cough sounds horrible but she's playing and eating still.

She is also now waking at 5-something and hungry at random times which is due to the stupid clock change and maybe her cold. I felt like stubbornly sticking to the old time forever but I think that might get a it complicated!

Birdies Tue 29-Oct-13 13:14:49

It's buy 3 get 20% off on those toys. What else shall we buy?! grin

Birdies Tue 29-Oct-13 13:17:44
Birdies Tue 29-Oct-13 13:18:30

I like these as a stocking filler: www.mothercare.com/ELC-Jungle-Flutter-Ball/136009,default,pd.html

Might see if a couple of my friends want to split the pack with me.

Oh and Birdies you definitely should by them. I'm planning on buying the Happyland Pirate Ship for myself DS

lollipoppi Tue 29-Oct-13 14:59:18

Ohhhh loving these links!!
Birdies hope X is better soon, a little trick for the cough, pop some Vicks on the soles of her feet and put her in socks or sleep suit

Pascha Tue 29-Oct-13 17:24:08

Oh hooray I finally have phone and internet back! Its not pretty surfing the net on 3g only. Off to look at all the links now.

Angielka Tue 29-Oct-13 18:06:34

Lovely lovely links. These kids are going to be spoilt rotten!

glorious Tue 29-Oct-13 18:26:10

DH just has pleurisy smile Never thought that'd be good news! Should hear about DM next week.

If only there had only been three bad things angielka . My grandma was also diagnosed with dementia two weeks ago, we had a scary trip to out of hours with E, and the washing machine broke. That'd be 6 but then there was the tree so two more to go! wink

impressed by your dog knowledge cupcakes . Probably between us we know everything!

glorious Tue 29-Oct-13 18:26:57

Oh and do they really help with your washing cupcakes ? Such a funny picture grin

glorious DDog 1 can unload the laundry from the machine and also gather up dirty laundry that's been strewn around the house. It depresses me that I have been able to train the dog to do this, but utterly failed to train my husband. He did not take kindly to my attempts at clicker training him.

Glad it was good news for your DH, too. Well, as good as pleurisy can ever be.

We are off to Mothercare tomorrow to buy toys. <excited>

cupcakes i want a dog anyone to help me too! Can't seem to train any of them to be helpful at all! Am off to mothercare as soon as half term is over too smile

glorious hope dh is better soon and dm is ok. Hope you are ok too thats a lot to deal with flowers

Thankfully storm missed us so no more leaks.

Loving all the links. We still have happyland fire station and a fairyboot which the dc all still play with - well Ivy eats them but everyone else plays!

birdies Ivy is all out of sorts after clock change still plus also getting over.a.cold. I can't get het to sleep any later than 6! And she is still up at 2. I really woukd like to sleep all night just once every now and then sad

Pascha Tue 29-Oct-13 20:30:49

envyI have two cats. One of them is in the washing basket. Asleep. On top of the clean clothes angry. Thats the extent to which my pets do housework.

DS1 has a streaming cold which has followed on from the croup on friday night. I can hear Dan coughing over the monitor. I have shares in Calpol. No problems with the clock change though.

We have the Happyland Garage and the Farm already in the loft. DS1 never really played with them much so hopefully they will have a new lease of life with Danny. I quite like the Toybox musical train I was playing with them the other day at mothercare. Not sure its worth £30 though.

glorious Tue 29-Oct-13 20:32:03

Thanks, I'm ok, just getting on with things.

just realised I was a bit unclear when I said we must know everything between us. I know nothing about dogs, I meant we must have lots of experts on different things smile

Brilliant stuff about collecting dirty washing. I'd carry on with clicker training DH though, if only because it might annoy him into action! Are these clickers easy to get hold of? wink

Meringue33 Tue 29-Oct-13 22:02:42

Glad your DH has had good news Glorious, really hope things improve soon.

Cupcakes can you find me an Old English Sheepdog that does the housework and grooms and washes itself?? I really love the idea of a dog but after having a baby not sure I'll ever have the energy.

Exhausted as always after Pramercise on Tuesdays. It is just a bit too hard a workout for me :O

Meringue dogs are a doddle compared to babies! Especially my foodie labs who will do anything for a treat. Not sure about self-grooming Old English Sheepdogs though. That might be a bit much.

We had a six hour stretch last night. SIX HOURS! He has never done that before. It's all very exciting.

Birdies Wed 30-Oct-13 07:25:07

Been up since 4-something sad. I've been trying to get her to sleep an hour later in the mornings, but she's decided to wake an hour earlier each morning. Plus she had her awful cough on and off all night. I feel sorry for her but I also feel very sorry for myself!

I forget how bad sleep deprivation is until I'm back in it. Anyone else feeling like a zombie this morning?

cupcakes 6 hours is good, I want that again!

glorious glad you got better news re DH.

lolli doesn't Vicks normally go on their chests?! I will try anything for her though as its just not getting any better.

apple and pascha how are the colds in your house? What exactly is croup as well?

lollipoppi Wed 30-Oct-13 08:29:45

Very jealous of the helpful dogs! Thankfully DP is well trained (slightly OCD) when it comes to housework so it's normally me getting in trouble grin

Birdies, yes normally on the chest, but ds1 asthma nurse told me about putting it on the soles of feet, it's saved me countless sleepless nights with ds1 and his asthma and never ending coughs and colds!

Pascha Wed 30-Oct-13 08:41:36

Croup Barking cough like a seal, inflamed windpipe and trouble getting their breath. Mild to moderate can be dealt with in a steamy room keeping them upright and calm and its not necessary to see a doctor. Severe causing difficulty breathing needs steroids and nebuliser. Not an experience I want to repeat. Very very frightening watching him struggle for air, those few minutes waiting for the ambulance were possibly the worst of my life. Certainly the worst of his.

And now we have streams of green snot everywhere smile. Croup is really a collection of symptoms linked to several viruses, one of which is the common cold which is what we now have. Both boys coughing for England as well. Oh dear.

The most annoying part is I had earmarked this week (half-term) for toilet training and thats gone by the board so we shall have to wait til Christmas break now I think. I never envisaged a whole year of two in nappies hmm.

Six hours Cupcakes? Brilliant! Gold star to minicupcakes grin

Birdies Have tea and lots of cake and go online shopping. You know you want to.

Glorious glad there's better news about your DH. "just" Pleurisy is a whole lot better than PE to deal with. DH is already primed to make me tea and toast in bed in the morning and he's quite good at housework (luckily as I really am not). I need the clicker for my children instead.

Lostbobbles Wed 30-Oct-13 14:22:02

Hi All

Glorious sorry to hear about your DH wish him well.

For all babies with coughs, asthma etc, my nephew suffers terribly and my SIL says the viks cool mist humidifier has been amazing for him.

Loving all the shopping links like I really need more help on shopping front!! I am struggling with DD1's Xmas ideas. I did buy DD2 the fisher price magic mirror and will get her the bruin animal piano as it's the toy she goes for everytime at play group. She also loves the pop up animal toys must get DH to fetch ours down from the loft

Been busy here with half term entertainment duty confused

Popped down South at the weekend to visit family, stayed in hotel on sat night. DD2 was bit of a nightmare sleeping.

Last couple of nights have been good . Her sleeping through quota (7-5ish) is now up to 3.

Cupcakes - impressive dog training. I've given up on DH training quicker to do it myself......

Pascha Wed 30-Oct-13 15:44:54


I'm just sitting here with my coffee and chocolate, Baby Jake on the telly, just Daniel here for company, musing on why the hell I'm bothering with christmas and birthday presents when all he actually wants to play with is DS1's cars?

Tugstonia Wed 30-Oct-13 15:55:46

Yay on the 6 hours cupcakes! That's excellent. And glorious hope your DH recovers soon from the pleurisy and that your mum gets good news on the breast issue flowers

Croup sounds horrible Pascha, must have been really scary for you all. Get well soon Dan, DS1 and you.

Need to check out all those shopping links! I haven't thought about Christmas yet...

Tugstonia Wed 30-Oct-13 15:56:36

And get well soon Xanthe as well birdies smile

Birdies Wed 30-Oct-13 18:17:08

Aw thanks tugs. She seems all weak as she keeps falling on her tummy when crawling, but I think it's tiredness as well. Is anyone else having trouble keeping baby awake for the extra hour? She wants to go to bed at 6am but I can't get used to 430am wake ups!

pascha croup sounds horrible. What do you do for your boys coughs? Annoyingly I haven't managed to get any Vicks yet. I have online shopped though. Of course!

Birdies Wed 30-Oct-13 18:19:06

lolli and lost I will definitely get the Vicks stuff tmrw though, thanks for the tips.

And thanks to whoever recommended the fisher pricer mirror (I can't go back a page to see), that's now on my list! And both my girls will love it so hopefully will get lots of use. Can't see that piano for sale anywhere though.

Pascha Wed 30-Oct-13 18:29:44

I use Snufflebabe which is basically Vicks. Annoyingly I have a Karvol vaporiser plug-in but it seems to be discontinued and can't find the refills anywhere. I had a Calpol one but it has a really annoying nightlight thing feature which we had to tape over to hide it.

Olbas oil dropped on a hanky under the sheet is an alternative if you have any lying about.

I feel very virtuous as despite feeling a bit crap myself I have made 2 cottage pies. One for dinner and one for the freezer! Go me Mrs Batch-Cookey-woman!!!

newbie6 Wed 30-Oct-13 22:05:46

Hi everyone,

Just trying to catch up, so much going on! Hope your DH will be ok glorious! Hope your wee one gets better soon Pascha.

Well I'm at the end of my tether, my DS is still waking every few hours at night. No teeth yet but can see them beginning to come through. Keep wistfully remembering when he used to sleep through, what has happened??? Do you all think this is normal for teething? I stupidly thought it might just be before a tooth pops up that he might be unsettled but this has been going on for about 2 mths now and it's worse cos he used to sleep through.

I am feeding him when he wakes up as it's the only way he will settle again, am I doing the wrong thing? He does self settle as well as when he wakes I wait a few minutes before going through and occasionally he self settles but more often than not, I need to feed him.

Keep telling myself, it's a phase that will pass but beginning to wonder now?!


Lostbobbles Wed 30-Oct-13 23:23:08


Fun musical piano so baby can compose and play their own melodies. Great educational toy for children ...

Meringue33 Thu 31-Oct-13 07:39:45

That's a shame Cupcakes grin

Newbie this LO acquired six teeth between four and eight months... His sleep was atrocious. We seem to be in a period of brief respite at the moment.

Managed to finally wear down persuade DP we should get the Little Tikes slide... Just in time for sale ending! angry

Birdies Thu 31-Oct-13 08:52:27

newbie are you giving him calpol?

And are you bottle feeding? If bottle feeding I would water down the milk more and more at each feed. Their tummies very quickly adjust to being hungry in the night if they get fed in the night. But I know sometimes its impossible not to. Have you tried jiggling to sleep instead as well? If breastfeeding you're meant to reduce a feed by a minute each time, but I don't get how that works as surely the rate if feeds varies as well so it would be impossible to work out.

I'm rubbish at going to her too soon but if she is crying I always go to her. If its intermittent crying, apparently that's when they are falling asleep.

Easy to give advice, but I'm still battling very early wakings so what do I know!

Thanks for the link lost

Birdies Thu 31-Oct-13 08:54:57

Ps am on a mission to find Vicks or snufflebabe today, couldn't find anything locally yesterday.

Have to share my little purchase yesterday (well, not that little) - have booked a little cake smash photoshoot for X's first brithday. Didn't get proper photos done when she was born so I feel it's justified grin I She will love it!

Birdies Thu 31-Oct-13 08:55:49

merignue I've also missed the sale damn it

Angielka Thu 31-Oct-13 09:04:51

I'm trying to get rid of our night feeds at the moment too newbie I've been on the case for a few days and DH is getting sent in when Molly wakes to try and settle her without being fed but more often than not he brings her to me after failing miserably she refuses to go down again.

The thing is they know what they want now, don't they?! I'm doing the reducing bf by a minute at a time, and surprisingly, so far so good. We've got from two wake ups of 10 min feeds to last night one wake up of 5 mins. I was totally unsure about it too birdies but I think it's just gradually getting their bodies used to not taking calories in, in the night. I'm away for two days and a night with work in a fortnight so I want to leave my parents and DH with a baby who sleeps through... HA!

newbie6 Thu 31-Oct-13 22:11:04

Thanks for your replies, I'm formula feeding. I have also tried baby paracetamol but it makes no difference. He has just woken so waited and didn't settle so went along, picked him up then put him straight back down and just shushed him, gave him a dummy and he has gone back to sleep so am going to try that now rather than always feeding him. Hoping it is his teeth though that is causing the waking up so taken some comfort from Meringue, I pray his teeth will suddenly appear and normal service shall resume, for a bit anyway ;) x

Hello all, I'm back smile

We started sleep training last Friday when my inlaws we're down. It's hard. Tbh I'm now only doing it at naps if she doesn't settle with a quick cuddle (which is horribly bad and inconsistent), but I can't keep doing at least an hour of screaming for each nap, which sometimes means she doesn't sleep at all as she gets so wound up, and at night we were having at least a 2 hour battle to get her to self settle, and then it was getting to 3 hours in the middle of the night. The whole point was more sleep, not less sleep and more screaming.

She's been up 2 hours at this point. I am losing the fucking plot. TBF she's been better the last few nights with only one awakening and back down within an hour hmm but she's had a stinking cold so she's probably been so bloody zonked even she can't fight it.

Hv back next week. Can't wait to tell her, "started off really strong, but by day 4 it all went tits up because I refuse to let my baby howl for at least 4 hours a day".

It's not even as if I bloody leave her! I'm say where she can see me!


sorry. Hope everyone is ok. I'll have to go and read everything I've missed, so apologies if I've missed something big from someone - will extend congrats/sympathies in advance.

<hugs> to glorious and creepy. sad

Is anyone else's little devils- angels taken some steps? C took her first ones nearly a month ago, and is still being a lazy wee shite and not bloody walking. Really hacking me off tbh as she stands there unsupported and then very casually squats then sits down. Ds wanted to wall everywhere after his first steps (although he was taking them now). Just want to encourage her to stay on her feet so I can get some peace from her moaning she can't run

Meringue33 Fri 01-Nov-13 08:32:06

Hugs Bunty

Do you think it would be better if you did leave the room? We haven't had to do sleep training yet but friends who have say its better to be out of sight. They swear its half an hour of crying max.

Very snuffly baby here sad Poor one was standing up in the night in his cot howling hysterically, DP thinks its because he was so snotty.

He has just learned to pull up to standing on furniture but hasn't taken any steps along it yet.

lollipoppi Fri 01-Nov-13 08:33:34

Bunty hmm this worked for me, hope it helps .....
DD would only fall to sleep on me so for the first day for naps and night we lay with her on the bed, not snuggled but just next to her, shushing and patting
Day/Night 2, still on bed but with only my hand on her back shushing and patting
Day/night 3, on bed just shushing
Day/night 4, in cot, shushing
This part may have gone on for a few nights, just to let her know I was there
Now she self settles, goes to bed awake and falls to sleep and if she wakes in the night she self settles back to sleep
Don't know of this will help at all, if not maybe this will wine

lollipoppi Fri 01-Nov-13 08:35:03

Oh and Bunty, dd is the same with steps, she has been cruising round furniture for over a month, and walks all round the house pushing her walker, just no steps!! Lazy like mummy! smile

I've left her before with white noise. An hour later and a wound up baby and she didn't sleep the rest of the day.

She's currently SCREAMING in her cot. I have the music on the iPhone and headphones in, volume up full. I can't do this anymore. She is wrecking my marriage.

She won't settle in our bed at all, lolli. She climbs all over us, and I've tried shushing her in bed, in cot ... She just screams to get out.

She is fucking demon spawn.

lollipoppi Fri 01-Nov-13 11:17:58

hmm ok, I have no other wise word of wisdom then, sounds like you've tried everything!
Have you looked into silent reflux?

Thanks for trying thanks

I did say to dr I thought she had reflux as she is/was sicky, but because she's happy and gaining weight they won't investigate. sad

lollipoppi Fri 01-Nov-13 12:00:51

That's bollocks, DD was happy and gaining weight too and she had silent reflux!
I'd go back to the doctor and ask beg for a course of gaviscon

I think I still have infant gaviscon somewhere - it made her terribly constipated but she did sleep better - any tips on how much/when to give/how to avoid constipation when she is now prone to it anyway, please??

CreepyCrawly Fri 01-Nov-13 12:34:18

Welcome back bunty, so sorry that sleep is still so bad for you. I have no suggestions, but hopefully the gaviscon will work for you.

Hope DS is better soon meringue

Newbie, my wonderful sleeper turned bad sleeper for about 2 and a half/3 months. She seems to be getting better now but we haven't really changed anything, I think she's realised more sleep is much better. Hope things get better for you soon.

No steps here, and barely any pulling up either. She's happier to pull all the DVDs off the bottom shelf. I think she's been watching the dog too much too, she's been crawling around this morning with a toy in her mouth.

She was sobbing in her sleep this morning. I thought she was awake, but she was fast asleep. Bless her, it was horrible. And the night before last, she bit me as I was feeding her. I said ouch and she started making weird noises, like she wanted to cry but couldn't. That was horrible too sad I wonder if maybe she realised she had hurt me...

CreepyCrawly Fri 01-Nov-13 12:35:36

Hope X is on the mend too birdies, and your entire household pascha

lollipoppi Fri 01-Nov-13 12:51:02

Bunty, DD is FF so we just add a sachet to a bottle, is your DD BF? I think cupcakes has just gone on gaviscon and BF so maybe she can give you some advise? I think it does say on the back of the box how much to give and how to administer

It does make them more "solid" but dd adjusted to this within a few weeks.

Hope it works!!

gringrin On copying the dog!

Yes, dd is bf - cupcakes would love some advice please!

grin copying the dog made me laugh!

Lostbobbles Fri 01-Nov-13 15:03:46

Bunty sorry about your situ, My DD1 had silent reflux and it took us a while to get it diagnosed as HV dismissed because of weight etc...

Anyway DD1 was BF we used to mix the gaviscon with small amount of water or exp milk and feed through a teat of a bottle or can use a syringe.

For constipation I up fluids and give small amount of prune juice or orange juice. Brown sugar water I've heard works for some. Also apply a water based lubricant around her bottom.

Hope situ improves x

No steps here yet, just stands and slowly sits down.

Birdies and All others with poorly DC's get well soon.

bunty sorry you are having such a hard time, no advice but flowers for you.

Dd still not crawling, she just wiggles her way around on her bum. She is pulling herself up on the furniture and takes steps while I hold her hand, do you think she's likely to skip crawling?

bunty sorry things are so hard. Hope things can get sorted soon. Have no experience so no advice sad

Ivy has been on her feet for a while. She is constantly pulling up on everything and will use anything as a walker. I have also taught her to hi five smile very cute
We have lots of babbling now, she never shuts up or stops moving..am shattered!

She is 10 months today, how mad is that?!

Ooh, I'm here! Sorry - we are staying at MIL's at the moment so off doing fun things like shopping and not been online.

Bunty yes silent reflux here - DS thriving, happy, gaining weight but screaming at bed time and for naps. We have the sachets of Gaviscon on prescription but think it's available over the counter. We have to give him half his feed (so one boob), then mix up the sachets as directed on the box (2 sachets mixed with 6 tsp water). DH has to spoon it in to him whilst I hold his hands out of the way as he doesn't like to be spoon fed. He doesn't seem to mind the taste of it though and takes it without a struggle. Then I swap him over to the other boob, he falls asleep and I transfer him to his cot. He's been on the Gaviscon for 10 days now and his sleep has gradually improved every night, we're now getting 6 hour stretches where before we were lucky to get 2. The main difference is that he doesn't scream. The first night I went to lie him down to rock him as he hadn't fallen asleep on the boob, he scrunched up his face and opened his mouth like he was about to scream, then he just stopped and looked really surprised. He then yawned and went to sleep.

My GP didn't believe me either but the HV did so he gave me the Gaviscon based on that. We now need to go back and discuss long term treatment, as the Gaviscon should be given with every feed (so we're sometimes faffing around with it at 3am), but there are some once-a-day treatments that they switch you to once they've established it's reflux. I think these are prescription only.

We have crawling with toys in mouth here, too. Also got dogs. Slightly worried that his first words will actually be barking.

Went into Mothercare today and the toy sale is still on in store for anybody who missed it. I might have gone slightly OTT. Christmas pretty much sorted though. Also got some baby friendly bits in Lush. I love Lush.

DS has learned to wave. He waves ALL THE TIME. Today he waved to the whole of subway as we left (and most of the people waved back! He was thrilled).

lollipoppi Sat 02-Nov-13 08:35:37

How was last night Bunty?

So not had my car for a week, got car out of the garage on Thursday after needing a new tyre and new battery, and somebody reversed right into the side of my car yesterday on the nursery run, cannot open either passenger side door and not safe to drive with children in car confusedconfusedconfused

Meringue33 Sat 02-Nov-13 09:07:07

So sorry you are going through this Bunty thanks. Wish I lived nearby so I could offer some babysitting and sleep.

How annoying Lolli angry.

LO still not well and up much of the night. DP taken the brunt of it this time and I had my first lie-in (to 8am!!) in ages!

Thanks for the sympathy and thanks - some lovely words - you'll make me cry!

We had an excellent night shock

Up once, quick feed, back down. God knows if it's a once off, but I am just glad of the sleep! She's napping at the moment, it's amazing how much better I feel. We even made it out for breakfast and a walk around the park. We've been playing with the kids. It's a happier household today.

mrsb sounds like she may skip crawling, or only crawl until she totally finds her feet. My ds did what your dd is doing, he then crawled for two weeks then took to his feet and never crawled again!

Thank you cupcakes - it's so hard to get listened to and not written off as a paranoid mother. I have also went ott for Christmas and birthday blush I love the waving! We also have random clapping, which is also adorable.

Oh god lolli glad everyone is ok, what a bugger about the car! angry I hope you caught them doing it?

meringue thanks thanks, lovely, and have some brew - I hope your teeny feels better soon

Birdies Sat 02-Nov-13 11:55:30

Thanks everyone,pleased to report X seems to be a bit better today. I couldn't find any Vicks but got Snufflebabe for the soles of her feet and a plug in calpol thingy. What would I do without all of you!

In very exciting news (for me anyway!) X pulled herself up to standing yesterday for the first time! Has now overtaken my little DD1 though, but hopefully she'll get there eventually.

bunty glad you got some sleep and are feeling better.

mrsb sounds like she may not crawl, which is great as it's not an actual milestone anyway.

meringue glad you got a lie-in!

X slept 7-6 last night (dreamfeed at 10pm). Must have been the Snufflebabe etc! I think I slept about 7 hours in a row but feel worse for it, I don't think my body us used to such deep sleep confused

lolli that's a total pain re car, hope you get it fixed soon.

cupcakes thanks for the mothercare reminder. Think I'm going to get these:


Plus the fisher price mirror, and those clicky things. And I may make a little trip over there this afternoon. And it's only bloomin November, this is way too organised for me!

lollipoppi Sun 03-Nov-13 11:19:40

Whoop whoop Bunty!! Hope last night was good too!!

Birdies glad X is doing much better too!

I have a nap refuser today hmm

Re the car, I heard it happen but she did pull over too thank god!
Her husband called yesterday and has booked my car into a garage to be fixed and he has organised me a courtesy car for a week while it is fixed which I thought was nice as busses only run every 45 mins where I live!!

Hope everyone's having a good weekend and the fireworks aren't waking babies too much!!

Pascha Sun 03-Nov-13 16:35:29

Glad you got a good night for once Bunty, fingers crossed it continues.

MrsBug DS1 didn't really crawl very much - maybe for about 10 days then he was cruising from 10-11.5 months when he suddenly let go and ran across the room hmmshock. Daniel has just started moving along the sofa a few wobbly shuffly steps, also letting go with one hand. Other than that its scrambling all the way over everything - bags, toys, small pieces of furniture... Not shoes though. No. Shoes are edible apparently hmm. He has a fetish for my slippers particularly and removes them from my feet to chew. If I take a shoe off him he bursts into great big histrionic blubbery tears grin He's such a drama king!

Your poor car Lolli! Thats exactly the kind of thing my mother does. All her insurance claims are from her reversing into someone else. Its happened surprisingly frequently over the years.

CreepyCrawly Sun 03-Nov-13 19:39:06

So pleased you had a good night bunty, long may it continue.

Shit news on the car lolli, but very decent of them to organise a courtesy car. Hope yours is fixed soon.

They can be so dramatic pascha can't they?! Such funny little things.

Nancy hasn't been herself the last couple of days and tonight in the bath she was covered in a horrible rash. Took her to hospital and they've said it's just a viral thing. Horrible seeing her so upset because she honestly never cries, and obviously when I saw the rash I immediately thought the worst. She's fast asleep now bless her.

Hope everyone's had a nice weekend

Lostbobbles Sun 03-Nov-13 22:30:13

Good news on sleep Bunty
: Glad X is feeing better Birdies. Oh also IMO I wouldn't bother with gadget toys, I had similar for DD1 and she never really played with them, they know they are not the real deal.... I just bought new house phones and gave the old one's to DD2 to play with she was obsessed with them and she hasn't touched them but is constantly trying to get the new ones little bugger

Creepy sorry to hear Nancy not well, Lois is getting snotty again grin She had a viral rash a while ago, looks horrible but cleared up quick. Wish her well it's so sad seeing them poorly.

Mother guilt alert! Lois is currently sporting a graze on her eye, I put her done yesterday went to get my bag to leave and she followed me so fast my shoe clipped her hmmhmm DH has loved informing everyone that I did it the swine

Aside from that we have had busy weekend, date night Friday, went to lovely restaurant and it was so great to have some us time. which we are not going to have for ages now as MIL is going away until Xmas hmm Friends for dinner last night, lunch round in-laws house today, then popped out this arvo to buy new sofa cushions random but DH decided he hated the old ones

Anyway best get bed, back on the school run tomorrow. hmm

lost that could backfire on your dh! Dp was in charge when ds2 fell off a roundabout and broke his wrist. Ds2 told everyone that his dad did it shock fortunately he is well known for being clumsy. it was only a matter of time til something broke

creepy hope nancy ok. Its horrid to see them like that and hard not to panic.

bunty yay sleep! Hope this becomes a regular thing.

Ivy saw her first fireworks last night. She looked unimpressed better than dd1s whining though was a bit late for her though so we paid for it today with a cranky baby.

Lora1982 Mon 04-Nov-13 08:12:19

Morning all. Im pleased your getting somewhere bunty.

My tesco vouchers arrived so I doubled them and got this: www.very.co.uk/vtech-discovery-activity-tree/1301874646.prd?aff=google&affsrc=acquisition&cm_mmc=google-_-PLA_Toys+And+Games-_-Toys+and+Games+PLA-_-GUco1Sox_27741572588

He loves the older version my mum has so I know he'll like it and cos of the vouchers it cost me 2 quid smile

Lolli Glad you're not without a car. It's a nightmare with a LO, isn't it? DH and I are having to share at the moment - I get the car Thursday and Friday as DS has activities to go to, but it's all a bit of a pain. We are out of fresh fruit and I can't get any!

Bunty how is the sleep going? Hope it continues to be good.

We had 2 nights in a row where DS did 6 hour stretches but now all gone to pot as he has a cold. Have been co-sleeping the last 2 nights. <sigh>

We have our nursery induction this morning <wibble>

glorious Mon 04-Nov-13 14:44:23

DM is fine! Thank goodness. Hoping this is the end of the bad run now.

Brilliant you've seen an improvement bunty . We had a couple of 5 hour stretches in the cot when I took the side off and put it by the bed, and she stayed in it until 4/5. Going backwards now though hmm I think she's getting cold so going to try more layers.

How was nursery cupcakes?

Great news for you and DM glorious.

Nursery was fine this morning, though it was only an hour and I didn't leave. Not that he would have noticed if I had. He crawled off after a couple of girls. Shocking behaviour.

Two hours tomorrow and I have to leave him. I'm planning to make his Christmas stocking (or at least make a good start on it) to keep myself busy.

theboutiquemummy Mon 04-Nov-13 15:49:03

Hello everyone part 6 already very late to the party as ever marking place to catch up on all the news

glorious Tue 05-Nov-13 07:55:41

Eugh I couldn't sleep until gone 5 and then next door's toddler woke me up sad

Meringue33 Tue 05-Nov-13 08:48:59

Thanks Bunty smile Glad you are getting some sleep. So sorry about your night Glorious, that sounds rotten brew

This LO slept 8-6 last night, an all time personal best!! I heard him a few times, think he woke, played with his toys a bit then went back to sleep... Good boy!

So glad Nancy is ok, Creepy!

Struggling to keep up with the thread! We've gone class crazy here as I know my maternity days are numbered. Went to Mini Movers, a music and movement class on Saturday, it was the best yet. LO loved it, especially the bit where you had to crawl around purring like a cat... He does this all day anyway so was v good at it, the teacher was impressed!

Blatantly skiving Pramercise today though as its three degrees outside and pouring with rain.

glorious what is next door's toddler doing waking you up? hmm

I have just dropped DS off at nursery and left him there. I have a whole two hours without him. <sob>.

Meringue love the purring! We have tongue clicking at car noises here, and yesterday lots of T-T-T-T sounds. I'm back to work next week but only Mon-Wed mornings so we've found classes that fit around that. Still don't want to go back though.

Pascha Tue 05-Nov-13 09:56:07

Classes? shock I was thinking of swimming in January. Otherwise he gets carted round wherever DS1 is due to be blush.

I'm on second breakfast here as have been awake since 4.10am. DS1 had a bad dream and ended up in our bed watching fireman sam on the ipod while I lay squished to one side pretending I was still asleep hmm. Second breakfast consists of dark chocolate and some ginger tea so far.

pascha apart from rhyme time Ivy is mostly just taken along with us to beavers,cubs, school assemblies etc etc! I do keep meaning to take her to local swimming pools toddler sessions as my olde dc enjoyed those but its such an effort and i'm lazy

glorious how did next doors toddler get you up? Irs annoying enough when its your own!

cupcakes hope you are enjoying your free time. it will fly by.

meringue love the purring! Yay on the sleep smile

Am starting to try and work out how to get Ivy out of our room. She already uses travel.cot in dd1 room durinf the day but its the box room so there is very little space and she still wakes at least once a night. So am worried aout her disturbing dd1 but also dd1 still jealous and not sure abour lack of supervision in mornings?!

Any ideas?

Meringue33 Tue 05-Nov-13 12:11:07

Pascha I find chocolate cures all manner of ills. Mini Movers is a crawling to four years old class. I didn't think the age group would work but it does!

He said mama yesterday too for the first time. Not in context or anything but it beats dadadada!

glorious Tue 05-Nov-13 13:19:28

Oh next door's toddler just screamed and screamed, he does it several times every night. He didn't come and ring the doorbell or anything grin

Little man is ill. Been eithe asleep or crying all afternoon, refusing food and no yet nappies. At the gp now praying they don't make us wait too long.

Meringue33 Tue 05-Nov-13 18:38:11

Oh no Cupcakes what did the GP say?

Angielka Tue 05-Nov-13 19:04:22

How was the morning alone at nursery cupcakes? and what did the doc say?

glorious at least if next door ever hear your little one you don't have to feel bad!

meringue yay for personal bests - Molly did hers too last night grin 7-6 with just one wake at 5 when she settled herself back to sleep. I could get used to this...

apple Molly is in with DD1 and to be honest even when Molly was having really bad nights, her screaming didn't seem to bother DD1 in the least. She slept through it all. The jealousy might be a worry, although I think since my girls have been in the same room, DD1 has got more tolerant of Molly and is usually quite sweet with her. If the baby isn't seen as getting special treatment by being in with mummy and daddy, maybe the jealousy will take more of a back seat? I dunno, you know your kids best.

Is Nancy better creepy?

Oh and I meant to say before, Molly is still doing her crazy one foot/one knee crawling but the kid can cross a room in the blink of an eye! DD1 never crawled and went straight to walking so they're all different, bugsy and yours might not bother with the crawling. I didn't apparently although my DM loves telling people that's just because I was lazy enough to be happy sitting

angiel thank you, i am beginning to think that dd1 probably would be sweet with her and try to take care of her generally and the jealousy isn't so bad anymore. I hadn't thougt of it from the perspective of Ivy having mummy at night, was a bit worried she would feel Ivy was invading her space but the travel cot has been in there for ages <musing face>

Will try moving her.soon as i would quite like our room back smile

cupcakes hope he is ok

Chest infection. Poor mite is really miserable. Not even trying the ant tonight, he's snuggled up with me.

Pascha Tue 05-Nov-13 22:05:14

sad poor ds, Cupcakes. hope he's better soon.

newbie6 Tue 05-Nov-13 23:03:30

Hope your wee one gets better soon cupcakes.

We had a scare at the weekend and ended up in a & e, wee one was vomiting with high temp, told it was a stomach virus, thankfully he seems better now but missed his first day at nursery. He is still not sleeping well at nights, no idea what to do. Am just telling myself it must be teething and he will eventually remember that he used to sleep through, it's so hard trying to work every day and look after him with no sleep sad hopefully if nothing else, nursery 2 days a week will allow me to catch some shut eye if work is quieter!

Hope everyone else is doing okay


So many poorly babies sad hope they all feel better soon, what a shame.

HV was round today, and lovely as always (she really is!). Gave her our sleep diary and she agreed it wasn't working - 4+ hours of screaming a day for her to 'self settle' isn't normal, esp as I was in there.

So, we're getting referred to specialist hospital health visitor, my Gp is getting a kick up the arse to sort her referral to a consultant for the sleep issues and, HURRAH! She thinks it may be reflux. Not hurrah that she is potentially in pain, but hurrah that Someone has listened, not written me off as neurotic, and that there is hopefully a fix and end in sight

ESP as dd is currently away in the car with daddy as she won't. Fucking. Sleep. He's been sent to midnight pharm at boots for infant gaviscon.

How's the Christmas shopping/birthday shopping going? I'm done for the kids, inc c's birthday, just a couple of bits for family to get, and all of dh. He's a fussy bugger. No clue what to get him.

lollipoppi Wed 06-Nov-13 08:44:46

thanks and wine and brew for everyone! Hope all the poorly babies are better soon, Bunty glad somebody is taking you seriously now!

Been in hospital with ds1 since Monday, he had an asthma attack and had to be admitted as needed hourly nebulisers and oxygen, we got home last night, he still isn't too good but the community nurse is coming out to see him today to check his stats

Bunty .... Christmas shopping!!?? I've not even started!!

Meringue33 Wed 06-Nov-13 08:57:01

Oh no, hope all the poorly babies are better soon.

Asked DP to resettle LO for me at 6.30 this morning, he'd been up since five. Got up a few hours later and found he hadn't even put a blanket over the baby, poor wee thing has a cold, bare feet and it's chilly in here!

Oh and he's hidden my meds again! Keeps saying he's worried baby will find them but they were in the centre of the kitchen table well out of reach to crawler.

Grump grump grump. We have the 8-10 month check today smile

Tugstonia Wed 06-Nov-13 09:41:33

Morning all. Sorry to those with poorly babies. Lolli hope your DS1 is ok and can come home soon, that sounds scary flowers. And your DSs too newbie and cupcakes.
Bunty sorry sleep is still crap but hurrah that the HV is listening to you and you're getting a referral. Fingers crossed that proper treatment will mean DD (and you) will sleep!
Glorious excellent news about your mum!

DD has been a misery the last few days. Definitely teeth - I can see the top two coming through, though she still doesn't have the bottom two and I thought they were normally the first ones? She's off her food and just looks so sad sad Meant to be meeting a friend in town but can't face it with poorly baby and pissing rain.

So impressed with those who've done their Xmas shopping! Need to get organised.

Have a good day everyone smile

Bunty fantastic news, so sorry it's taken you so long to finally get this help though. I know the feeling so well, I honestly didn't know whether to laugh or cry when DS was diagnosed with Silent Reflux. Really hope they don't keep you waiting much longer.

newbie it's so scary when they're poorly, isn't it? DS is in a right state, basically just slept or cried all yesterday afternoon. Been asleep for a couple of hours this morning, too, and you all know how rubbish he is at napping usually. Didn't help that the nurse we saw yesterday was really mean, had a go at me for not having given him any calpol yet (he went downhill really quickly, and DH said maybe don't give him any as we were only 40 minutes off the doctors appointment and he was worried they might want to give him something else - perfectly logical to me). When I said he was off his solids but taking breast milk she said "Oh, you're still breast feeding? Well, at least your doing something right for him." If I hadn't been so busy fretting about DS I may well have slapped her.

Christmas presents for DS pretty much done, not done birthday yet though as we're planning to see what he particularly likes out of his Christmas presents and go from there.

Just realised how bad the typos were on my last post! Sorry, was on the phone. We didn't try the COT, not ant.

Tugstonia Wed 06-Nov-13 10:27:21

Oh my god. Cupcakes what a total bitch that nurse was to you. That's outrageous. I'm shock and angry on your behalf. Hope your DS gets better soon flowers

Angielka Wed 06-Nov-13 13:17:45

RUDE! cupcakes you should compain!

Hope all the sick babies get better soon and cake and brew for the tired mums.

Birdies Wed 06-Nov-13 13:25:38

cupcakes you need to do a letter of complaint about that, it's shocking. And for what it's worth I think it was perfectly sensible not giving calpol. Hope he feels much better soon.

I've just written a complaint letter to my surgery about 3 things, one of them about them not doing the hip check at 6 weeks and us having to go on for a scan. I wasn't going to complain but this morning I took X for her flu jab (we all have it to protect DD1) and we got sent away being told she doesn't need a second. Well she does. And now I have to go back in again. F-ing useless nurse.

bunty glad things might start to improve once she gets diagnosed.

tugs and newbie hope your babies start to feel better soon (and anyone else's I've missed).

lolli how scary, is he ok now?

Wow apple sharing rooms?! I can't imagine mine getting any sleep although maybe I should try it. I have a white noise machine in each room just to block out the noise from creaky floors!

glorious Wed 06-Nov-13 13:27:14

lolli that sounds horrible you poor things.

cupcakes I can't believe that, totally unacceptable. Complain!

tugs thanks, and agree about the rain. We went to Lewisham earlier (local high st) and it was a bit miserable. But we were in search of a warmer sleeping bag as E has been cold and with the heating on she finally slept a whole night in her cot rather than coming in with me. Still woke up all the time but I slept better in between.

bunty so glad you're getting some proper help.

Birdies Wed 06-Nov-13 14:16:59

Talking of babies being cold, does anyone have the room at the recommended 18 degrees? It would be freezing! I put X in a winter sleeping bag (2.5 tog) and the room is between 20 and 21 degrees. Am I doing the wrong thing? I couldn't sleep if the room was cold but are babies different?

Birdies a friend recently mentioned room temperature to me and I turned the thermostat up to 20 in DS' room as a result. He didn't sleep any better, but it least I wasn't freezing when I got up to see to him.

Thanks for the support guys, might have to draft a letter but to be honest the entire surgery is absolutely useless. When I've complained in the past I get the same "we apologise if this caused offence however our staff are extremely busy blah blah blah." Not sure I have the energy,

DS is such a state, bless him. We get about 20 minutes of happy babbling / playing before tiredness hits again and he just doesn't know what to do with himself. sad

glorious Wed 06-Nov-13 16:27:56

birdies our room is 18 or colder but I wouldn't follow our example! Think the sleeping bag we were given wasn't 2.5tog any more so she was cold even with 2 vests and 2 sleepsuits. Hence a new bag, merino sleepsuit on the way, more heating!

glorious Wed 06-Nov-13 16:57:53

Sorry for double post and the whinge I'm about to have.

Does anyone else sometimes feel like a totally shit mother? I started off feeling so sure of myself but the last couple of months have really knocked my confidence. She won't sleep and I feel like it's my fault. She doesn't crawl. I don't think I play with her enough (we cuddle lots, feed, try to get her to nap, run around seeing people or doing chores). I had a big sob at DH last night because I feel like I'm letting her down. He was lovely and told me I'm amazing, and I know if this was any of you I'd tell you not to be so hard on yourself. But I still feel useless sad

lollipoppi Wed 06-Nov-13 17:42:33

Thanks all, nurse has been today and his stats are much better just got to carry in with the 4 hourly inhalers and he should be fine in a few days!

Cupcakes shock and angry for you! Sounds a lot like my doctors who on Monday morning told me Coles oxygen levels were 88% (anything below 92 would require a mask with oxygen being pumped into him) and needs to be In hospital, I said I have no car as in garage he told me to get a taxi shock I called ahead to the hospital to say were on route as he has open access to the childrens wards and they hit the roof!!! Within 5 mins of us being at the hospital a doctor was in the phone to my GP telling them what a disgrace they are for not phoning an ambulance!

Glorious I feel the same sometimes, I really feel like Darcie gets left out and just tags along with whatever DS1 is doing, compared to the attention that DS got when he was a baby she is practically neglected!
Your absolutely NOT a shit mummy, I'm sure we will feel were not good enough or not doing the right thing for them for the next 18 40 years!!

glorious first of all flowers and don't be so hard on yourself ;) Honestly being a mum is hardand you are tired which makes everything seem worse. You know you are loving her and doing your best for her. Thats all they need!

Not all babies crawl and lots of babies just don't sleep. Is there any way you can take a break? Get dp to take her and try and get some sleep.

I found with my older dc that the first year is hardest and it all seems to get a little easier once they are 1 of course some things get harfer but generally sleep gets better which helps

glorious sorry just read that back, sounds a bit patronising - its not meant to, jus wanted to offer some reassurance. Long day (and night) and brain gone on holiday blush

Angielka Wed 06-Nov-13 19:27:19

shock at your GP lolli. That's a disgrace too. Jeez, I'd be writing letters left right and centre.

glorious I don't think there's ever been a mother who hasn't felt a bit shit about themselves once in a while. It's bloody hard work and they're all different, and they don't come with a manual and just when you think you've got the hang of one thing, they go and chnge something. Don't be so hard on yourself. thanks and like apple says, try and take a break. Even if it's an hour on your own, or a nap.

Crawling is not a milestone. My sassy three-year old never crawled but runs about like a mad thing now.

Nobody feels like they play with their babies enough. That's life. Just hang on in there. Again, like apple said, some things will get easier.

biscuit brew cake

Angielka Wed 06-Nov-13 20:25:29

Oh and apple I didn't think you sounded patronising, but re-reading my last post I totally do! blush

glorious Wed 06-Nov-13 21:09:02

Oh you are all so lovely, you made me cry again (in a good way). Neither of you were patronising at all. I'm glad to hear it might get better. I think part of the problem is that I'm always a bit of a perfectionist and this motherhood lark can't be perfected. I don't know how all of you with more than one do it.

I'm not really worried about the crawling, just wondering if she should have spent more time on the floor. But strangely this evening she did get her knees under her for the first time, so who knows! And she pulled up to standing from lying in her cot. So maybe she was reading my post shock wink

I will try to have a break. DH being ill and starting a new job has meant I've had less rest than normal. E won't be settled by anyone else atm, think it's separation anxiety, so perhaps a daytime coffee/bath/nap at the weekend.

glorious Wed 06-Nov-13 21:10:51

Oh and reassuring that everyone feels bad sometimes, though of course I'd rather all mothers were always happy smile

Lostbobbles Wed 06-Nov-13 22:44:44

Hi All

Lolli/cupcakes totally shock and angry at your gp's.

Wish all DC's well

Glorious, As the others have said we all have shit mother syndrome at times. I feel so guilty that my DD2 has to spend so long in the car everyday on the school run and then be dragged to activities. I also have the don't play/teach/talk enough worries.

Bunty I'm very impressed with Xmas shopping. I'm so not organised have bought a few bits and amazon cart is ever increasing with more 5 minute wonder tat .... Oh I have decided I am going to buy DD2 the toot toot pink garage.

DD2 tried to step yesterday steps used loosely, more a case of I'm moving my feet but if you don't catch me I will face butt the floor wasn't keen to try again today despite me spending all day trying to make her

Wish you all good nights

glorious I often feel like a shit mum too, especially over his sleep. From when I was quite young I've so desperately wanted to be a mother, there's nothing else I'm really any good at and I thought this would be my 'thing'. It's hit me really hard that it's not come naturally, it's been so hard DH and I have pretty much decided no more children, which breaks my heart as I was a miserable only and didn't want that for DS. I do think 6 months plus is a really tough time. When you have a newborn, you're exhausted and you don't know what you're doing, but everybody expects that. Now, we're still exhausted and we still don't know what we're doing, but everybody seems to expect you to be fine. Try not to be too hard on yourself. I get through by remembering that it will pass, and all too soon our babies will be teenagers off living their lives and we will be wishing they were tiny again!

Meringue33 Thu 07-Nov-13 07:52:50

shock at Cupcakes and Lolli's HCP experiences, so angry on your behalf. That's really outrageous what that woman said, Cupcakes!

Glorious I have shit mother syndrome all the time! I am a perfectionist too which is not a good quality to have as a mum! I find it so frustrating, I am 34 so was in my chosen career for 12 years before having babies, felt v confident etc and I had no experience of babies at all so being a new mum was a massive shock!

I worry so much about the stupidest things, the other day was literally agonising for ages over whether I should go to closest supermarket (there and back in time for lunch, nap in cot after), or further nicer one (lunch in cafe there, then probably LO would sleep in car on way back... But then he might wake up on arrival...) Round and round these bloody thoughts went!

Part of the problem is they are so unpredictable and it's really very little to do with us. I can do x, y, z as planned but that may or may not = a prompt nap and a long sleep at night! They are just not programmable!

Anyway glad I've got that off my chest! Went to the 8-10 month check yesterday. HV said he is doing fine overall tho he scored slightly low on communication. Think I need to make more of an effort to talk slowly and clearly to him and tell him the names of things!

They seemed really keen to push CC for any babies not sleeping through, which seemed odd to me. I thought they would only mention CC if someone raised it that they were really struggling. I said we were hopeful he would grow out of it himself soon.

Meringue33 Thu 07-Nov-13 07:54:49

Oh yeah and Cupcakes, we are planning another one, but not for at least 3/4 years! Biological clock be damned smile

Pascha Thu 07-Nov-13 09:37:21

Just back from nursery run. For the first time Dan has not been asleep and doesn't want a nap so my lovely morning peaceful coffee time has disappeared <sob>.

No more babies in the pipeline here, although I said that before the first, and after the first, and we still have a second. DH has his appointment with the urologist in a couple of weeks though so hopefully soon he will be properly done this time.

Glorious Daniel has been standing for a month or so, but only in the last week has he stood in his cot (at 3am, shouting at the purple dinosaur on his wall hmm). He commando crawls so no hands and knees here, but as Angie says, its not actually a milestone, some babies never crawl at all. I think your DD is likely to bypass it altogether now she's figured out how to stand.

Newbie and Lolli and anyone else with poorly children, its shit isn't it? We've all seen rather too much of A&E recently. I would like to have one week without some form of illness. Haven't seen that since August.

Bunty so glad you finally got a referral for Cameron. I've also almost finished christmas shopping. Just a couple of awkward people left to buy for and thats it. I feel quite smug about it this year.

Lostbobbles Thu 07-Nov-13 22:08:44



Angielka Fri 08-Nov-13 08:45:26

love it lost grin

Lora1982 Fri 08-Nov-13 09:45:23

Is anyone else still suffering with crap bones and joints? I get nasty throbbing between my hip and knee and it stops me being able to walk a lot of the time.

glorious Fri 08-Nov-13 09:49:50

cupcakes you are so right about how everyone expects the newborn phase to be difficult but actually in many ways it gets worse/more complicated. But I'm sure you're the best mum your DS could possibly have and you are doing so many good things for him without realising.

meringue I know exactly what you mean about leaving an environment at work where you knew what you were doing. And those dilemmas about how to organise the day in the face of a totally inconsistent baby!

I'm feeling better smile Pleased that E sleeping in the cot means the odd wine

Tugstonia Fri 08-Nov-13 11:11:37

Morning all. How is everyone and how are the bubs? DD still miserable, she has a viral thing and high temp. I can see two top teeth poking through now. She's off her food and refusing to breastfeed as well sad

Glorious glad you're feeling better. I also feel like a shit mum a lot of the time. I think it's par for the course! DD isn't crawling either and hates being on her tummy so can't see how she'll ever learn to crawl. She's also not interested in standing up. They just all do things at different stages. Plus I think Ellen's a late January birthday as well isn't she? So a lot younger than some of the other bubs. Someone put this video on Facebook earlier - it's v cheesy but quite sweet smile

Love the card Lost!

glorious glad you're feeling better about things. I was going to say that if you do want to encourage you're little one to crawl you could always try a turtle tots class. Ours has all sorts of exercises to encourage movement. Tigem I thought how much easier it was when DS stayed still so I reckon you should sit back and enjoy it!

Lora terrible hip pain here, too. Shooting pains down my right leg and sometimes it just goes numb and I have to grab onto something so I don't fall over. They don't tell you all this stuff, do they? One day I'm going to write a book called 'the truth about having children'. It will have chapters like 'things you can do in the car whilst waiting for your baby to wake up' and 'what will hurt after you give birth: everything'. They will hand it out in schools and teen pregnancy will be a thing of the past.

Rubbish day so far. DS bit me on the leg and I pulled my leg back and he lost his balance and fell over - big red mark on left side of head. Then realised car seat had been taken out of the car (thanks, DH) and had to ring my dad to help of put it back in. Got in car to take DS to gym - no petrol (thanks, DH). Took ages to refuel as everything went wrong, nearly got accused of stealing fuel. With all the faff DS didn't sleep on the way to gym, so was really tired, fell over - big red mark on right side of head. Just got good from gym, he fell asleep on the way so now I'm waiting. Sigh.

Meant to be going out tonight - first time since DS was born. Am feeling very wobbly about it but really don't want to let my friend down.

Lora1982 Fri 08-Nov-13 11:35:17

Same cupcakes, I nearly fell over taking the pram and dog for a walk last night. I get slight relief from wearing a knee support. Pleased its not just my body being shit. And NO they tell you the bone pain dissappear s.. the liars. I can add chapters to your book 'dont expect to be dressed before ten, your little darling will be though'

Lora It can be a joint book. Anybody else got any chapters they want to submit?

My last post was really miserable. Here is something less miserable:

Whenever I get DS' toys out, I put his play mat out first. Yesterday I put the mat down, he turned around, smiled and crawled right over to it, plonked himself down and waited for his toys. So cute.

Pascha Fri 08-Nov-13 12:27:04

Does anyone elses baby scuttle away giggling whenever they are caught heading out the door/towards the cat/into trouble? He's so cheeky! He gets halfway there, stops, looks round waiting for me to call his name and when I do he just zooms off even faster laughing maniacally!

Oh yes pascha Ivy does this too! Thats how you can tell shes up to no good smile

cupcakes that book sounds great. I was given a book after ds2 was born. It was the first year told from babies perspective, like a diary. It was pretty funny but i can't remember what it was called or what i did with it

After 4 babies my body is old and creaky and frankly feels a bit broken these days sad

Ivy went from 7 -6.30 last night without me feeding her! Would be great news as i'm trying to drop night feeds but she was a nightmare between 2.30-4. Felt guilty not feeding her but i honestly think its just habit and i really need her to be ok to move rooms. And i'd love a full nights sleep too! grin

Meringue33 Fri 08-Nov-13 15:10:40

My body is wrecked!!! I have pain in my SP, which is weird as I never had SPD when pregnant. Thinking about going to the doc for that one. My knees are wrecked and my back is put out from top to bottom!

Cupcakes my car is stocked at all times with juice, a magazine and a packet of chocolate hobnobs smile

He has such a funny sense of humour. He likes to sneak up behind me then burst into giggles.

No sneaky giggles here but DS finds the dogs hysterically funny, especially dog 2. He just sits and giggles manically at her. She looks really anxious and then runs away. I think she's getting a complex.

I think DS is trying to walk. He keeps pulling himself up on things and then just launching, falls flat on his face, cries, and then does it again. hmm

glorious I definitely feel a bit crap most days, especially this time around with all that's going on with Cameron. Stupid doctors make me feel like I've got munchausens, so I doubt myself.

Thanks pascha! Dan sounds adorable.

We had an amazing night on Wednesday, and she slept from 10 until 6!!!

Last night was shit. She's got this chest infection and keeps waking herself up coughing up a lung. I do think the gaviscon is helping. Issue is, the monkey now doesn't want it from a syringe, a cup, a spoon, and will only tolerate one sachet in 4oz of milk.

cupcakes how many sachets and when are you giving it? Only with milk feeds?

Cameron let go of the table 2 nights ago and walked to me with no prompting! shock and started saying 'ta' when handed food something. Very proud but jeezo. All a bit quick.

apples that's brilliant! Well done ivy!

lora love the card. Is very apt! I also have random pains. My sacroiliac joint crunches and clicks when I'm walking. Am a bit worried ...

Polyethyl Fri 08-Nov-13 18:09:57

When should I start worrying about a persistent cough? She had a cold 3 weeks ago and she hasn't shaken of the cough yet. She's perfectly healthy, cheerful and active otherwise.

Birdies Fri 08-Nov-13 18:29:09

Don't doubt yourself bunty,you know her better than anyone. Ignore the stupid doctors.

glorious I feel guilty at least once a day - I feel like I don't play with them enough, or cook for them enough etc etc. And today I had bad period pains, and my milk seems to be disappearing and I was so tired I lay on the sofa and left them to play for a bit. And X accidentally bit DD1 on the nose. So I've been feeling guilty about that too.

cupcakes seems to be a biting trend today!

poly I took X to the doctors yesterday as she is in her third week of having a cough and she didn't seem herself yesterday. Doctor listened to her chest etc and all fine but she said its the right thing to bring them in if they don't seem themselves. You could get her checked out but if she's well in herself I doubt they would do anything. Might make you feel better about it though.

poly I think the standard rule for anybody is if you don't shake something within 2 weeks see the GP, so I'd make an appointment.

Bunty he has 2 sachets mixed with 6 tsps of water half way through his bedtime breast feed. At the moment he only sleeps in his cot at night, the rest of the time he's on me so upright. When I work up the courage to try putting in his cot for naps I'll give the gaviscon with the feed before the nap, too.

I'm going out tonight. First time since DS arrived!

Sorry to everyone having a hard time. [Flowers]

Can I add my knackered wrist to our list of ailments? Caused by holding my increasingly chunky dd for hours while she bfs to sleep.

Birdies Fri 08-Nov-13 21:11:04

Haha bugsy I'm still bf to sleep too! although my milk supply has really dropped so I need to think about moving to bottles. Though how to get her to sleep then?!

Shopping bargain in case anyone's still looking for presents - just bought this:


Much cheaper than anywhere else.

Pascha Fri 08-Nov-13 21:25:11

Bunty did you know that supply can dip when you have a period and come right back up again when you finish? Your milk might only be temporarily low.

I still feed Dan ti sleep at bedtime.

My addition to the list if woes is the sore throat from constantly telling them ti stop fighting over cars...

Pascha Fri 08-Nov-13 21:27:31

I meant Birdies not Bunty

Birdies Fri 08-Nov-13 21:45:18

Oh no I didn't know that. I will wait a few days then and maybe will improve...

Lora1982 Fri 08-Nov-13 22:58:29

It usually takes mine about two days to get back to normal birdies. Although I think if I stop taking motilium it will disappear altogether. Id like to aim for one so I'll carry on forking out for a couple more months.

Starting a bauble tradition so im looking to buy him one every year. I really waant a good fun one thats not going to smash etc cos this 1st ones got to live a very long life.

Angielka Sat 09-Nov-13 05:13:44

Lora my SIL started that kind of tradition with DD1 - it would be lovely, except our tastes are a little different, and she has provided the 3 ugliest scariest tastelestest (it is a word) baubles I have ever seen so far hmm. You know those kind of faux-old multicoloured sparkling ones in the shape of snowmen/teddy bears... I know you'll do it properly!

lollipoppi Sat 09-Nov-13 07:19:47

Morning all! Hope all the poorly babas are feeling better soon

Ds1 is much better now, it's been a looonnnggg week hmm

Angielka grin on the baubles! Just stick them at the back of the tree unless she comes round!

Ds1 had that elefun and loved it, must dig that out for DD! I also managed to pick up the butterfly elefun from a charity shop for £2.50!

Going to pick my car up today, I'm hoping it will be the end of my car troubles!

Poly like others have said I would take her to the docs, I'm sure everything will be ok but good to put your mind at rest (also try my magic cure of Vicks on the soles of her feet!)

Lora what a lovely idea - I came across this the other day which might suit: www.frombritainwithlove.com/baby-boys-first-christmas-handmade-personlised-wooden-bauble.html

Birdies I really love the ball popping toy but DH says it's just asking for trouble with two Labradors in the house. He may have a point.

DS slept the whole time I was out last night - woke up twenty minutes after I arrived home and stayed awake until 2am. He only went to sleep then because I gave in and co-slept. Up again just after 6. Need brew and cake

Lora1982 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:09:14

I think I prefer that wooden one! I was looking at this: http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=151159898136

Same here we cant have the elephant with the dog... god knows what we'll do with the ball pool dps mum wants to get

Lora1982 Sat 09-Nov-13 08:10:34

I pressed the convert links button goddammit. Well its a normal bauble with a character made from fimo sat on top

Angielka Sat 09-Nov-13 09:22:06

Ahhhhh, sitting with a cuppa and second doughnut while Molly sleeps and DH takes DD1 out. Hope everyone has healthy sleep-filled weekends grin

Birdies Sat 09-Nov-13 10:49:56

Good luck with car lolli!

I'm loving the bauble idea, think I might do that for my two.

Can anyone recommend a good train set? I'd like something where the trains go round on their own. Thanks smile. Have a nice weekend everyone!

glorious Sat 09-Nov-13 12:08:52

Mmm doughnut.

Sitting in cafe waiting for people for first local meet up. Think it's just me so far, no pom bears or mn scarves in evidence...

Angielka Sat 09-Nov-13 17:31:49

How did the meetup go glorious?

Meringue33 Sat 09-Nov-13 18:59:24

We've just got the Happyland one Birdies. It's on special offer at ELC.

Ooh a meetup, Glorious! How exciting!!

Lora1982 Sat 09-Nov-13 20:02:46

Hope it wasnt a solitary meet up :-D im having one on monday with a group of laydees from my 'awesome leicester mums' group on facebook

glorious Sat 09-Nov-13 20:40:29

It was small but perfectly formed smile One other person made it and she was lovely. Phew! Might be one next week too for those who couldn't make this one / were ill. We'll have to have one if you're over around Christmas angielka smile

Meringue33 Sat 09-Nov-13 21:29:21

One day in the distant future when we have all recovered from baby madness and are capable of sorting such shit out we must have a meetup for this thread!

Pascha Sat 09-Nov-13 21:37:47

I was thinking the same thing Meringue. God knows how or when though.

That would be lovely! We should take over a soft play in the middle of us all.

Lora1982 Sun 10-Nov-13 08:46:30

Dreaming off the day ive recovered from baby madness :-D

glorious Sun 10-Nov-13 08:57:43

Yes let's! We'd end up somewhere random if we go for the middle, that'd be fun smile

I don't think I shall ever recover from this madness, but I'm still up for meeting. Have we discussed where we are before? Wouldn't it be lovely if mumsnet had a "find a central point for all of these mners" tool?

DS fell asleep sitting in a shopping trolley. He won't sleep in a cot, but he'll sleep in a shopping trolley. hmm

Yes i'd be up for that!

cupcakes smile at sleeping in trolley, babies are wierd aren't they.Hope things are improving for you.

<whispers> Ivy has gone 3 nights without night feed shock She is still up once at the same time but is settling quicker now. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

She has learnt to play ball with ds1, he throws to her she grabs it and sort of flings in whatver direction she is facing. She thinks its hilarious.

Hope everyone having a lovely weekend smile

Apple the ball flinging sounds adorable! Dog 1 keeps dropping a tennis ball in DS' lap and staring at him hopefully. DS picks up the ball and chews it. Dog 1 looks despondent and wanders off. Hoping DS gets the hang of fetch soon before Dog 1 loses all hope.

Went to visit my dad today for the last time before he moves - he's leaving the house I was born in and where I grew up, but when I asked if he'll miss it he said that the place held "nothing but bad memories" for him. Well, thanks for that Dad.

I'm starting back at work tomorrow and dreading it. First day at nursery for my little man and have no idea how he'll get on. And DH hasn't even asked how I'm feeling about it. Someone remind me why I married him again?!?

Birdies I think Brio do electric trains which are supposed to be good and very robust. Would that be the sort of thing you're after?

glorious Sun 10-Nov-13 20:57:03

cupcakes shock at your dad! Good luck for tomorrow, enjoy your tea in peace. I'm sure nursery will be just fine.

Very cute about the ball apples .

Yay for meetups! I don't mind collating a list of where people are if that'd help - people could pm if wanting to avoid being outed. Then we could try to work out a sensible location, which will probably take several months anyway grin

Lora1982 Sun 10-Nov-13 21:44:19

Im quite proud of dexters ball antics he qite happily pushes it to me back n forth. He also has started pitting the balls in the top of the vtech tree mums got <proud face> I think I helped him with the chucking for the dog cos everytime he touched one id say 'chuck it for the Oofins'--in the hope he didnt try and eat it-- so now he drops it so itll roll for the dog

newbie6 Sun 10-Nov-13 22:02:57

Hi everyone,

Well we ended up at out of hours doctor again with DS for same thing as last weekend! Vomiting and temperature, what is going on?? He seems better today thank goodness but I'm a wreck! He had his first day in nursery on ?Friday but he was only there for about 3hrs and I went to get him. They told me he had cried but they had managed to settle him but when I went to collect him he burst into tears and just looked so unhappy, it broke my heart and he got sick on the Saturday.....nightmare! Please tell me this is all normal!!


lollipoppi Mon 11-Nov-13 08:43:23

Hi all, hope you had a good weekend

Ds1 and DD didn't wake up until 8am today shock considering they've both been getting up at 5.30am for weeks I feel like I've slept for a week!

I am defo up for a meet up!! That would be great!

Cupcakes good luck on your first day back at work today!

lollipoppi Mon 11-Nov-13 08:44:09

Newbie hope your DS is better soon, there's so much going round at te moment

Aw newbie how awful sad it is normal, when they first start nursery they pick up everything. What a shame he was upset - again, normal.

cupcakes good luck today!

Dd still has this horrendous mucusy cough so going to go back to doc today. We've had two excellent nights since starting gaviscon (wed was 10-6, last night was 7:30 - 3:30 - shame she was then up until 5:30 hmm ) so I think it is helping. It's just a bugger to get it into her as she hates it. Going to ask about Zantac as apparently that's only once or twice a day.

Pascha Mon 11-Nov-13 12:00:22

Poor DS, Newbie and poor you. I know what permanent illness feels like, we haven't had a whole good week since DS1 started preschool in september. OK today though, touch wood.

Bunty* I hope you are starting to turn a corner with this - 7.30-3.30 is brilliant. Definitely push for the ranitidine, its better than gaviscon.

Off to pick up DS1 now. Have just fed Dan his lunch- poached fish, mash and veg. Very boring but it was all I could think of to do quickly.
I need some inspiration I think - what do you all cook?

Meringue33 Mon 11-Nov-13 12:22:02

We will need to stick pins to a map! I'll PM you Glorious but suspect it will take us years rather than months to sort out smile

Sorry to hear that Newbie. We have an early settling in session tomorrow, I am so nervous at the whole process. Think I am going to sob my heart out when I leave him for the first full day.

Pascha, I've been working through the BLW cookbook, even tho it really annoys me because it doesn't give you a time needed for the recipes. I also use the Hamlyn book of 200 slow cooker recipes, which is awesome, and just substitute baby stock. The meat dishes come out really tender so easy for LO to eat.

lollipoppi Mon 11-Nov-13 12:34:01

Pascha if you think that's boring, Darcie is currently scoffing and egg mayo sandwich shock can't get more boring than that, but by the looks of it she is enjoying it grin
Anyone else's LO tell you they've finished lunch by chucking the remaining food on the floor hmm

Glorious il pm you, I rekon by the time we organise it the kids will be at school and it will just be is lot wink

glorious Mon 11-Nov-13 12:59:44

Ooh meringue you've reminded me I want a slow cooker for Christmas, thanks.

You're probably right lolli that it'll take forever. That's probably a good thing as with lots of us back at work/going soon I reckon we've got enough on our plates!

pascha we're having tuna pasta bake. She has lots of fish as she loves it.

I've just booked us a posh lunch out for the week before I go back to work in February when she'll be with the childminder smile

Pascha Mon 11-Nov-13 13:03:50

Oh yes Lolli, all over the floor. Then he leans sideways to see it and giggles hmm

Posh lunch? Lucky you envy

Birdies Mon 11-Nov-13 13:40:49

I'm having a stress - can someone reasurre me or is this a bit odd? I daren't post on the child behaviour thing in case someone says something scary. Hoping im just being an idiot.

X is doing well I think - she crawls well, she kneels up, she sometimes pulls herself up and she has a few different babble sounds. But she does this weird thing where she wobbles about every now and then - she sits there and wobbles her bottom and shoulders and head and looks a bit deranged. And now she's poking her tongue out a lot. I can snap her out of it if I get her attention. I haven't ever seen another baby doing that though. Should I be worried?

Thanks, pascha. I am queen of boring for meals blush I make a big pot of homemade soup on a Sunday and dd and I eat it for lunches. I also have some cheese so she can have a cheese sandwich.

Dinner is usually pasta of some description, although we have made forays into sausages last week. I'm generally doing finger foods which aren't too messy as she is at the
Don't dare try and feed me stage. Lots of fun with soup, it has to be said.

I'm a horrendously fussy eater, and because I cook for just she and I during the week, it's what I'll eat.

birdies don't panic! Ds and dd, although ds mostly, both went through a phase of sitting and shaking their head. It's cause it feels nice/funny. The wriggling on her bum, I've read, could be because it feels nice on her lady bits. Little girls are apparently well known for (ahem) humping stuff. Wriggling like that may feel the same.

C likes to stick her tongue out and look simple, generally when I'm extolling her genius virtues. Honestly, I am the worlds biggest worrier and I wouldn't be worried.

Birdies Mon 11-Nov-13 13:59:43

Phew thanks bunty. I just rang my mum too as was getting myself worked up and she said she thinks she's just experimenting with different movements. Haha re the lady bits, although surely they're too little to even know they've got any?! Does the humping start around 10 months then? I never knew that!

I think its cos my older DD isn't walking so i can't compare the two of them and the things X does are so different to what I'm used to.

Off to feed her to sleep in a bit will be back with meal ideas. Although I just do the odd big batch cook, nothing overly exciting.

Meringue33 Mon 11-Nov-13 16:27:49

Birdies has she just started the wobbling?

LO has just in the last couple of days started shaking his head and hands in a way that's quite alarming. I've had to hold off Googling "symptoms of Parkinson's/ MS/ CP" as I know I'd scare myself! I am telling myself it is just another random movement he has just learned to do.

Meanwhile I've managed to drop the shopping with a dozen eggs in it hmm.

We use a lot of recipes from www.babyledweaning.com/ - watch out though as the quantities are American. I didn't realise American pints are different to UK pints confused

When I picked up DS from his first day of nursery he was sitting in a highchair sobbing. Proper tears, hiccups, the works. I arrived whilst they were still serving lunch so I was going to wait to go in (saw them through the door) but then I saw he was crying so went straight in to get him. They said he'd been fine until the other 2 babies had started crying which had set him off, but the other 2 babies weren't crying. Not sure what to think, really. Breaks my heart to think of him unhappy but can't afford to not work. Is this sort of thing normal for early days at nursery?

Angielka Mon 11-Nov-13 21:20:02

birdies Molly does the head shaking like a deranged animal thing, and it was only when I saw her doing it for the first time that I remembered DD1 did it too. She also does a bit of rocking forward and back when she's sitting up, almost jumping from sitting if you see what I mean usually accompanied by grunts when she bounces. They're all normal and we're all normal for thinking it's totally weird grin.

Sorry about the eggs meringue did you manage to save any for a quick emergency omelette?

I'm up for a meet-up although I'm the awkward out-of-towner whichever place you choose hmm.

I'm very boring for food too, but since DD1's alarming allergy incident at nursery, I've stopped her having school dinners and have taken on the task of preparing her lunches to take in. I've got a couple of lunchbox recipe books and am planning to do stuff that suits her lunchbox as well as Molly's and my lunch... we'll see how that goes.

Angielka Mon 11-Nov-13 21:22:03

Oh and cupcakes meant to say, DD1 went through a long phase of crying when I showed up at nursery, and she was very senstivie at the beginning, crying when others cried. She still doesn't like it now she's 3, but in nursery she soon settled down and got into the routine. The beginning is so hard, but they take it in their stride. Good luck!

It's my birthday tomorrow - a quiet day in with Molly not even pretending to do the housework is in order, followed by romantic meal out with DH. Can't wait grin grin grin

Birdies Mon 11-Nov-13 21:48:57

meringue no she's been doing it for a while. She added a new move today though - nods her head really far forward then really far back, meaning her whole little body jiggles back and forth. So she's got the sideways jiggle and the forward and back going on. Plus the tongue thing. She does it more when she's tired. It sounds a bit different to the head shaking people have mentioned. But trying to just go with the experimenting with movement theory.

angiel thanks, sounds a bit more like X with the rocking. Although X is like a bowl of jelly jiggling about. I forgot to add the grunting, although she saves that for when she's eating! I'm probably not conjuring up a great image of her, she's a dainty little thing really!

cupcakes did you see newbies post about nursery - sounds like you're going through the same thing. I haven't sent mine yet but I have heard that it can take a while for them to settle in.

Food-wise I do a nice cottage pie which they both like, a chicken, potato and broccoli thing and a fish thing. Hmm, that's about it. Oh dear, maybe it need to expand my repertoire a bit. Ella's kitchen features a lot but X isn't that keen.

Happy birthday for tomorrow angiel!

Lora1982 Mon 11-Nov-13 22:25:52

Dexter does a violent head shake when we say nononono no. He also does the rocking front n back side to side shoulders mainly when he's dancing

HHappy birthday for tomoz angielka!

Poundstretcher are selling wooden activity cubes for 8.99 off to get one saturday

glorious Tue 12-Nov-13 05:50:00

Happy birthday angielka ! thanks

We have the tongue thing birdies , I tell her she's not a puppy hmm She went through a phase of shaking her head too

Have I been up since 1 or did I doze? confused E keeps waking up 10 mins after falling asleep.

Birdies Tue 12-Nov-13 07:54:27

With the tongue thing, do yours stick end of tongue behind bottom teeth and then kind of stick the middle bit out? Actually I just tried it and it's quite fun!

Seem to be sleep regressing here. I not only stay up for the dream feed at 1030pm but she also decides 330am would be a nice time to wake up too. I then can't sleep for over an hour and at 6am she's awake for the day. I keep thinking I should move to bottles and try and get her to self settle.

glorious did you get any sleep?

Forgot to say thanks for the train set ideas. Whoever recommended the Hapoyland one, I love the look of that and saw it in John Lewis for £20. But the next day it was up to £32. I think the £20 was a pricing mistake, wish I'd bought it at the time. Oh well.

Anyone else's older DCs like In the night garden? DD1 would happily watch it all day if I let her. I'm going to look for some toys to do with it today to get for Christmas. Not sure what to get though.

Birdies Tue 12-Nov-13 07:56:53

Ps lora does he only do that when there's music on then?! That would be very cute if they're actually dancing!

Lora1982 Tue 12-Nov-13 09:23:38

He does it to the tv theme tunes, my singing, toysand when hes in bed waiting to get up.

He's doing that thing where you flick your lip with fingers to make a sound change. I think she must be just experimenting with what she can do birdiies

Pascha Tue 12-Nov-13 10:25:35

Birdies DS1 has just rediscovered ITNG aged 3 after about 18 months of being completely bored by it. Now he's found a whole new level of understanding (as much as it can be understood, anyway). Daniel just stares in wonder at it, giggling all the way.

I'm booking tickets for the live show next year when the dates come out. I wanted to this summer but he couldn't really give a monkeys about it then.

Dan doesn't really do all that much yet. He copies me when I tilt my head to the side and sometimes tries opening and closing his hand in a proto-wave. Very little babbling, mostly still just squeals, giggles and shrieks. DS1 was the same, no real chatter til well over a year.

CreepyCrawly Tue 12-Nov-13 13:15:47

Happy birthday angie

birdies, with the tongue thing, I think it's because they can feel their teeth. Nancy tucks her top lip under her top teeth, and then stick her bottom lip over the top (rubbish explanation). It makes her look like a little old woman.

She's a bit of an escape artist now, she's figured out how to climb out of her chair. And she's really found her voice the last week or so, and laughing a lot more too.

Hope work has been ok cupcakes, I'm sure nursery will get better soon, and for you too newbie.

How do you wean off night feeds? She eats more at night now than she did as a newborn. It's still only twice at the most, but none would be better!

Lostbobbles Tue 12-Nov-13 15:10:34

Happy Birthday Angie thankswinex

Happy birthday Angie - hope you have a lovely day.

DS seemed much better today. He was crying again when I arrived but I waited outside without them seeing me and after a few seconds somebody went and picked him up. He was quite happy then. He had beef stew for lunch. He eats better than I do!

Creepy my friend is trying it at the moment by reducing the length of time she feeds by a minute at a time. I'm not sure how it really works though - I reckon if I tried that with DS he'd just drink more quickly!

creepy i weaned Ivy at night by basically ignoring her blush But i'm sure she was only waking up through habit and i was just feeding her because it was easy. Its been less than a week though and she still wakes up and i hide under the covers til she settles again . I do give her a kiss etc to help settle if she doesn't settle herself though i'm not mean smile

cupcakes glad today went better.

Happy birthday angiel

Whoever was aaking about ITNG we have some figures from it and a ninky nonk that a friend passed onto me. Think i saw them in argos.

We have lots of shouting and she is climbing everything including ds2, she uses his hair to pull up! And has discovered our old play kitchen and just sprnds ages opening to door.

Hope those going back to work are settling back in. Ds1 took a while to settke when he started nursery when i went back to work. But he did settle in the end and enjoyed it.

Angielka Tue 12-Nov-13 21:19:53

Thank you, thank you thanks. Have had a lovely restful birthday topped off with a glass or two of bubbly, a gorgeous Indian meal and two birthday cakes greedy pig.

creepy I also did the reducing bf at night by a minute at a time, but got stuck at 4 mins... hmm then we were hit by bugs and I felt sorry for the poor little thing unlatching her when she was mid-glug.

I'm away with work on Thursday and Friday so Molly (and DH and DPs) will have to deal with no night feeds and only breast milk from a beaker for a couple of days heaven help us all. I wonder how easy it will be for me to leave my meeting for milk-expressing breaks hmm

DD1 was wandering around the living room singing 'yes my name is iggle piggle' this afternon so you can add her to the list of ITNG fans. We don't have any kids channels so she's only ever seen it on youtube, but that was enough. I don't get it at all!

Pascha Tue 12-Nov-13 21:44:29

Happy birthday Angiel cake and wine. I'm not jealous at all of curry and birthday cake envyenvy

Glad it was better today Cupcakes. Fingers crossed it stays good.

Meringue33 Wed 13-Nov-13 07:09:52

Omfg!!!!!!! The baby slept through!!!!!!!! Not even 7-5 but 7-7. Thank you God!!!!

Happy birthdayangiel

Dd has been up all night vomming. She has stopped now (and has eaten two oatibix and has a big grin on her face)meanwhile I am knackered and me, dp, dd and our bed are all covered in sick. Lovely.

Congrats meringue

Meringue33 Wed 13-Nov-13 11:02:58

He's just been vomming all morning sad Hope being poorly isn't the only explanation for sleep!

Hope your LO is better Bugsy. I've got a whole wash of sicky clothes now - mine and his!

Happy belated birthday, Angie smile cake

Happy belated bday angie!

Ranitidine seems to be working. Two good stretches last night 7:30 - 11:30, then 11:30 until 3:30, up for the day at 6:30. I can cope with this!

glorious Wed 13-Nov-13 13:26:25

eugh to the vomming. It's so much worse now they're eating more isn't it. milky vom isn't so bad.

I'm so glad it's helping bunty smile

We've been to our first playgroup today. It's one our childminder goes to and she suggested we go together for a bit to start getting E familiar with her. E went off playing with her quite happily and made a picture of a poppy with glue and tissue paper. Bless! She doesn't start until February so it's a very gentle beginning. Feeling quite positive about it smile

Tugstonia Wed 13-Nov-13 13:44:01

Happy belated birthday Angie! cake wine flowers

Bunty great news on the rantidine and sleep!

Yay Meringue too on the sleep! Although boo on the sick sad Hope your DS is ok. And your DD too mrsbugsy.

My DD threw up in the car yesterday and it managed to get everywhere. She seems fine though, think she gets carsick.

DD (well me and DP really!) watches ITNG too. Is it just me or is every episode pretty much the same?!

CreepyCrawly Wed 13-Nov-13 21:45:51

Yay on the sleep meringue! And so pleased things are getting better for you bunty.

Hope the spewy babies are better soon.

Thank you for the suggestions on the night weaning, little madam slept from 7 til 6 straight through. I'm telling myself it's a one off though.

Had a lovely day today. Even though she hardly slept, she's been absolutely lush. Ya know those days where you just have so much fun with them and it makes your heart hurt? I'm not allowed to do anything on my phone though, she grabs it and gets Siri up. Not even sure how she's figured it out it why she does it.

CreepyCrawly Wed 13-Nov-13 21:47:22

Glad second day was better too cupcakes. And for you too glorious, the poppy picture sounds lovely.

God yes glorious I could handle milky vom, but dd throwing up actual food last night really grossed me out, especially as she was in bed with me at the time and it went all over me and in my hair envy < boak

On the plus side dd is now peacefully asleep and I have just booked a holiday smile

lollipoppi Thu 14-Nov-13 09:16:42

Mrsbugsy yuk on the sick but envyenvy of you booking a holiday!! Where are you going?

Hope all the vommy babies are better soon!

Yay on the sleep Bunty and meringue!

Off for Darcie's 9 month check today, I don't really know what to expect I can't even remember DS having one?

Anyone changed car seats to a forward facing one yet? DD screams in her baby seat, she hates it, depending on her weight today I may go and buy a forward facing one I think she would be much happier in it!

How's your LOs daytime naps going? DD seems to have given up on them and just has 1 nap after lunch confused

Lostbobbles Thu 14-Nov-13 09:18:50

Bugsy/Meringue- wish dc's better. Not at all pleasant and Tugs, car seat vom is the worst, washing those covers is such a hassle.

I'm dreading solid food vomiting bugs , my DD1 is five and so far we have escaped so going to jinx that now by writing this

Pascha was it you who said you have the kiddy car seat? Is it the one with the impact shield instead of harness? If so how did your DS1 get on with it at first?

Also anyone have any present ideas for 2yr old boys?

I have had my mum and step dad staying, my SD has Alzheimer's so it's been hard work, feel so sorry for him and especially my mum as she literally does not get a minute free of him, he follows her everywhere like a puppy hmm. DH has kindly informed me that if I ever get like that I'm going in a home!! Such compassion!

No further development on step taking can still only manage 2/3 and doesn't seem that interested.

Good news on your DD Bunty, just sorry it took so long.

Oh and Bugsy v envy of holiday

Meringue33 Thu 14-Nov-13 10:22:55

Urgh now I am down with the lurgy too. DP has luckily stayed home to help look after us both. Am in bed holding sleeping LO, who won't be put down. Unfortunately am parked opposite our mirrored wardrobe and keep catching sight of my green and horrid face!

Lolli my LO loves the forward facing car seat and hardly cries in it now. He also mainly has an after lunch nap now, for 1-2 hours, though he sometimes also still has a morning nap too.

Pascha Thu 14-Nov-13 10:32:04

Lost yes we have the Kiddy Guardian Pro for DS1 and will get another for DS2. He has always been absolutely fine in it, very secure and comfortable and the impact shield makes a great table to drive his cars and a headrest when he's asleep.

I can't actually remember what we got DS1 for his 2nd birthday blush It was only last year! I just looked through photos and can see a Happyland farm, a My First Scooter, a toy tractor and trailer. I am quite sure he got a multitude of cars, vehicles, books. For christmas he got an ELC wooden garage, playdoh, wooden train set etc.

Also very envy of a holiday. We have been vaguely planning to do Disney Florida in 2015 when DS1 is 4.5 before he starts school until we realised that he doesn't actually like rides. He's scared of the ones outside the supermarket when they are turned on. Danny isn't great with loud noises and bangs either. So no rides, and no parade, no fireworks. No point in going is there? Maybe we will reconsider when Ds1 is about 8.

Dan is now scooting round furniture and pulling up on everything. He's turned into a right menace to leave anywhere for long. The room divider gate is coming back out this weekend before I lose my mind.

Bunty so glad Cam is improving sleepwise. Hope it continues for you. Meringue Yay on 7-7! Not so yay on the sick though. Hope you feel better later.

Lolli good luck with the 9m check today. We have ours at a year here, think DS1's was 13 months. He ran into the room so no need to check mobility status!

We are going to lanzarote, not the most exciting destination but made sense for a first holiday with dd in terms of cost vs weather, short flight and no jet lag. I am more used to backpacking and budget hostels so am ridiculously excited about staying in a hotel with a pool and booze food included.

It has cheered up an otherwise pretty grim day - I have been vommed on again and then dd pooed on the floor while her nappy was off.

We have a 12 month check here btw

Meringue33 Thu 14-Nov-13 14:10:20

Been sat reading this thread to cheer me up

Lora1982 Thu 14-Nov-13 15:18:11

Finaly updated his photo for anyone wishing to see him now.

Meringue33 Thu 14-Nov-13 18:16:26

Awww what a cutester Lora. I didn't know you were a photographer, neat! smile

lollipoppi Thu 14-Nov-13 18:49:18

Check up went fine, she is on the 50th percentile for weight and the 98th percentile for height!

My DS loved trains at 2yrs and still does! You can't go wrong with trains or cars for boys smile

Meringue what a lovely chat thread, nice to know there are lots of lovely people out there

Pascha Thu 14-Nov-13 21:10:16

Aww Dexter is gorgeous Lora what lovely pictures.

glorious Fri 15-Nov-13 18:47:33

Can't see the picture on my phone, will try later on the computer.

We've had a really lovely day. E was in a lovely mood and was beguiling strangers all day. We had lunch with a friend who told me she's expecting her first in May, so exciting! E was a good advert for babies (I didn't break it to my friend that she's not always like that!).

Anyone got exciting weekend plans?

Urgh, dd has given me vomititus

lora hes gorgeous! And reminded me that every week i see this book in the library called don't do that dexter, makes me think of this thread and your dexter! blush

mrsbugsy oh no hope you get better soon flowers <saves cake for when you're better>

Ivy has a nasty cold sad although she has been quite happy all day shes been getting steadily snottier.. Still managed to make lots of noise in ds2 assembly...the teachers have been forwarned!!

glorious congrats to your friend. Its lovely when you have those days when they are just yummy. Shame its not all the time though, this lo is already throwing little paddys when we take things off her!

Lora1982 Fri 15-Nov-13 22:56:53

Shall have to amazon that book, sounds extremely useful :-D

So its friday I had one can of cider (black fruit no less) and attached the bookcase and toy shelf thing to the wall so he cant pull them over. This is what lifes come down to!

Hes being a nightmare recently too, waking a lot at night. Its possibly teeth cos his cheeks are bright red and constantly has a finger in his gums. Nurofen best work tonight!

Theres an indoor play place opening up near me and its free to go today and tomorrow so im looking forward to that secretly hoping I see some bad behaviour from parents so I have something to start a thread about

Oh glorious im in lleicester for your little location collection... cant inbox on my phone for some reason

Lora1982 Fri 15-Nov-13 23:03:56

Bought it :-D there was two, one with flaps and one with a boy jumping on a bed, I got the flaps (interesting sentence there)

Heeheee! Hope you both enjoy it grin

Meringue33 Sat 16-Nov-13 08:41:44

It's really cheering isn't it Lolli smile

thanks Bugsy. It's horrid this virus. LO is over the sickness but still has D so lots of washing. This morning his sleep suit, sleeping bag etc all had to be peeled off and washed at six thirty am. Toxic stuff.

We are quarantined at home and are missing his first swimming lesson today sad

Urgh been sick all night, at least dp is home today so is looking after dd while I lie down

I have got a killer headache now too, I think bfing and being sick have made me dehydrated

Meringue33 Sat 16-Nov-13 11:01:27

Get some Dioralyte in you Bugsy. Black currant cordial helps with the taste. Alternatively I favour Lucozade Sport.

Lora1982 Sat 16-Nov-13 11:05:30

Oh no, your all ill? Bless you. Hopefully it'll be over soon

Lostbobbles Sat 16-Nov-13 19:37:46

Not sure who was looking at getting a personalised Xmas decoration but not on the high street have a few options

Pascha Sat 16-Nov-13 20:08:35

Danny climbed the stairs all by himself tonight! grin He's starting to let go of things and stand by himself for a second or two as well.

Sitting here in front of the log burner watching crap on telly waiting for DH to get back with the curry and beer. Get well soon everybody.

Lora1982 Sat 16-Nov-13 23:47:02

Twas me, I'll take a look and do more shoppin I know im being silly about what he can n cant do yet but I see other babies much more social and able etc. Hes fine and chatty with us and family but hes totally against interacting with other kids I know I shk just wait. ..

glorious Sun 17-Nov-13 08:17:32

Go Danny (but only while pascha is there to catch you!)

bugs how are you? Sickness while bf is awful thanks

I've just given E a homemade egg free muffin for breakfast. I It's nice, hooray!

Birdies Sun 17-Nov-13 09:44:21

bugs hope you feel better today. And hope the poorly babies are better too, apple how is ivy?

Thanks for reassurance over wobbling and sticking tongue out, has stopped the tongue now and seems to just be trying different movements! She's now got lots of babbles and new noises so I'm now just enjoying watching her try things and learn, it's very sweet.

dexter is very cute lora! And I would say don't compare to other babies....but I can't talk as I'm always worrying about one thing or another!

pascha wow he'll be off soon! Right I need advice on baby walker - as what point do you know they're ready for it? I've got the vtech one but I think she would just push and fall flat on her face, how can any babies use them?!

Pascha Sun 17-Nov-13 09:50:24

I have the vtech one too Birdies. I haven't yet got it out though, he would definitely fall flat on his face. I put batteries in the front bit that comes off though and he plays with that on the floor or (more likely) standing at the little table. I'm aiming for christmas for the walker bit.

Lora I agree with Birdies. This is exactly the right age to start being more wary of other people. Dan even gets a bit shy at first with his nan and he sees her every week. Babies don't really do any more than pull faces at each other til quite a bit older than this I think.

Birdies Sun 17-Nov-13 09:57:56

Thanks pascha, I have the electronic bit off too but the walker bit just sits in the corner of the lounge. Maybe it's for when they've taken their first steps then. It would be quite good if there were little stoppers or something at the front wheels so they could push it a tiny bit without falling over. Hmm maybe we should invent something!

Hi all hope everyone is feeling better.

birdies Ivy is snotty and sounds like darth vador but otherwise quite happy unless i try to wipe her nose

We have an old chicco walker, the one with shapes to post, Ivy has been using it for a while. It has brakes though so she just gradually got used to pullinh herself up with it, now shes off everywhere and so pleased with herself! I wanted to get her the vtech one but can't really justify it sad

Exciting day yesterday..went to laundrette as washing machine on the blink.again grrrrr. Have engineer coming out on weds, have no idea how i will.cope angry

Lostbobbles Sun 17-Nov-13 11:46:32

Hope all the poorly babies are on the mend and you are feeling better Bugsy thanks

DH away now for a couple of weeks hmm.

Currently in soft play confusedconfusedconfusedconfused MADHOUSE

Birdies we have been using vtech walker for a while, at first I just walked with her but now she is a whizz only forwards until she crashes, has not mastered turning

Sorry not been online much - rough few days here. Bugs hope you are feeling better.

We have the VTech walker. DS is fine on it but we have quite thick carpets so it doesn't go very fast.

We have been summoned to a 12 month check with the HV. Does anybody know if these are compulsory / what happens if we don't go? Don't think I can take another session of telling me where I'm failing.

lollipoppi Sun 17-Nov-13 13:42:51

Hope everyone is feeling better soon

We have a walker DD is currently zooming up and down the hallway on it but we also have thick carpets, she also hasn't mastered turning and throws a paddy when she gets stuck!

Very brave to go to play centre on a Sunday! We have been trying to decide what to do all day and yet were still in the house, may go out this afternoon

Cupcakes we had our 8-10 month check up last week, they just weighed and measured her and did some development checks like can she clap 2 bricks together and does she respond to her name ect ect, I doubt they are compulsory

glorious Sun 17-Nov-13 14:56:46

Similar check here, and I just glossed over her sleep (I said that she still wakes but gave no impression of how much) and smiled and nodded through all the bad advice.

But I get why that sounds unattractive. It isn't compulsory.

Hi all, thanks for the well wishes, I'm feeling much better today, no more vomit just feeling a bit washed out. flowers

Dp looked after dd pretty much by himself yesterday, except for bringing her to me a couple of times to bf. It was the first time he's looked after her for so long on his own and I think he did pretty well. So one good thing has come out of me being ill.

Do we all have the vtech baby walker then? Dd loves hers, she pulls up on it but it is kept wedged in a corner as she would go face forward otherwise.

cupcakes we have the 12 month check coming up too, however it will be the first time we have seen our HV since dd was a few weeks old so I'll be glad that she is getting checked over by someone. I can't imagine that they can force you to have the check if you don't want it.

Thanks everyone - our 8 month check was a group event and rather humiliating for those of us (i.e. me) with non-sleeping babies. Not keen to repeat the experience so will try and wriggle out of it.

Apple meant to say we got out VTech walker at a bootsale for £1.50. There are a few indoor bootsales around our way so perhaps you'll be lucky?

Pascha Sun 17-Nov-13 19:41:34

Why are you getting an 8-month and a 12-month check Cupcakes? I always thought it was one or the other. I would be inclined to say you've already had the first check and everythings fine thankyouverymuch and cancel it.

Pascha - dunno. They just keep sending me letters summoning me to things. It's getting a bit tedious.

I have just fallen asleep giving DS has bedtime BF. That's the third night in a row. This is getting a bit ridiculous. Surely a normal person should be able to stay awake past 6.30pm? DH had even washed up by the time I got back downstairs!

Meringue33 Sun 17-Nov-13 21:05:18

Cupcakes I could happily sleep for Britain at the moment.

LO asleep in my arms after over two hours of screaming hmm.

Babies... They take everything you have and then some more.

I was worried what next door were thinking.... Then heard their usual Sunday night almighty row about homework kick off... Doubt they'd have heard us over it! (They have two DC, 13 and 15).

Lostbobbles Sun 17-Nov-13 21:05:24

Cupcakes we don't get either 8 or 12 month check in my area.

glorious Mon 18-Nov-13 08:21:56

cupcakes that's dreadful about the 8 month check sad

And sorry about the screaming meringue .

I had a wobble and couldn't sleep last night as the childminder came over to go through the paperwork and settling in and it really brought it home that I'll be leaving my girl sad At work 10.30-3 today (seeing her at lunch) so maybe that'll remind me of the good things?

Angielka Mon 18-Nov-13 10:17:40

glorious good luck at work. I was away with work on Thursday/Friday and had to leave Molly and DD1 with DParents and DH... they all survived amazingly well grin but I was on the verge of tears at various points throughout the two days. I even woke every few hours on the one night I had where I could have slept eight hours uninterrupted hmm

Hope everyone's feeling better and strong enough to tell useless HVs to sod off grin

Pascha Mon 18-Nov-13 13:37:46

Oh Cupcakes they do sound a bit crap. The 8 month check is a hangover from the old system of 7-9 month check, 18 month check, 3yr check. Now its moving over to 12 month check, 2-2.5 yr check and thats it. Some areas do one, some do the other, sounds like yours does both. How stupid.

Have a look at your red book. Has the next review page been filled in? Mine says 1 year review which is still blank. Yours might say that or 7-9 month review or similar. Whichever, if its still blank they probably don't have any record on the Child Health Computer of DS ever attending it.

I worked for a GP for a long time before giving up work and my dealings with Child Health have shown than even months after a family registers with a GP the CHS admin hasn't caught up! They can be shockingly understaffed, underfunded and administratively inaccurate in some areas. Its not the HV's fault (usually). They are just working to a list.

I would call them and query it.

Meringue33 Mon 18-Nov-13 19:22:49

Well we are still in the doldrums here. Washer packed up halfway through yet another pooey bedclothes hot wash. LO refusing to sleep in cot. Was hoping he'd finally be over this bug by now but we just had a nappy explosion in the Sainsbury cafe which was a nightmare to clean up. Ended up chucking pooey clothes away as had no nappy sacks to take them home in, and nothing to wash them in anyway when we got home.

Sorry to be all me me me at present! Please God just want this bug to end (then a nice clear stretch til the next challenge).

Oh dear meringue sounds like you've had a really rubbish day. Hope you manage to fix / replace the washer soon. At least you can go shopping for more cute clothes to replace the ones you had to bin!

So I rang the HV today about this 12-month health check. Apparently they are replacing the old system of an 8-month and a 12-month health check with a 6-8 month and a 10-12 month check. So they're basically making it up as they go along. Managed to cancel the appointment as it's on a work day anyway, but she didn't have her diary with her so couldn't reschedule me. She's going to call me tomorrow to do that, so all I have to do now is avoid all calls and I'm sorted!

glorious when are you going back and what hours are you going to do? I'm finding it OK and DS has settled really well at nursery. I arrived to pick him up today and he was still eating his lunch. He took one look at me and then just went back to his lunch. Apparently macaroni cheese with sweetcorn trumps mummy. hmm

DH has eaten a loaf of bread that I made that went very, very wrong. The bread maker didn't mix properly so there were lumps of flour all through it. He said it tasted it fine but I'm worried the yeast won't have activated properly and it'll start to ferment in his stomach. Sorry, TMI!

Actually, I'm not worried anymore. He's just squeezed me on the shoulder as he's walked past me. On the shoulder with an infected cyst on it. I nearly hit the roof with the pain! Don't care if he gets ill now. Hmph.

Well I am now clear of the vomiting bug, but dp has gone down with it. Except of course he has it much worse hmm

octanegirl Mon 18-Nov-13 21:06:27

Hello all...
I had a bit of a miserable time at his 10 month check. First, the Doc was shocked that I was still breastfeeding, even looking a bit taken aback. She then spoke to me like I was an idiot, telling me that once he was a year old he didn't need it any more etc.
She then went on to say that I should be worried that he doesn't babble (he did at about 6 months, but hasn't since). He says Ooh a lot and grunts in concentration. And growls when I feed him. But no dadada or mamama or any variation thereof.
I just thought he'd sort himself out but now she's knocked my confidence....

Pascha Mon 18-Nov-13 21:18:32

We've just got 'ooooooo' this week and 'gagagagagaga' today aged 10.5 months. He has said 'mumum' and 'dadada' but only a bit and not for a while. Actually for a while around 8-9 months he said very little at all really. Lots of squealing and random 'aaahhs' and 'eees' coming through in the last two or three weeks though.

Oh and DS1 only had 10 words altogether at 2 years - most of them were animal sounds. Now at 3.2 he chats away nicely. By 4 he will be the same as all the early talkers.

Grrr..just lost a huge post, stupid phone!

octane that dr sounds rubbish! Ds1 never babbled and although he was a lateish talker there are no problems. Ivy makes a lot of noise but tbf its pretty noisy here so we might forget her otherwise ;)

And he may not need bf but its lovely and comforting and if your happy then why not ?!

meringue our washer has been kaput for days, its a nightmare. I'm going slightly loopy watching the pile of washing grow... I hope yours is fixee soon.

Ivy is getting over her cold now but needs night weaning again as it didn't seem fair to not feed her when she woke up all unwell..

Hello all, dropped off my active convos and lost you for a bit. Horrendous few days here, like you,*cupcakes*. My dp's were down and have seen the full extent of her devil childness - apparently that's how I was.


No wonder I didn't get a sibling until I was 7.

My spd seems to be back with a vengeance, having to sleep with a pillow between my legs again sad and ds has diarrhea, so having to work from home with two of them. My week is somewhat fraught!

Hope everyone is well - well done pascha's danny on climbing the stairs!

Bunch of wee monsters these end of year/new year babies ...

Lora1982 Tue 19-Nov-13 00:36:11

Well the dr quite clearly mad a fool of herself in my opinion. She said 'he doesnt need it after one' id of said thats all well and good, but he's 10 months bitch.

I need help. He's gone from happily sleeping 7/8 til 7,30 to waking up at 11. Nothing will settle him apart from a bottle, he refuses the boob but will take the bottle! Hes quite clearly wanting it because he polishes it off and I can get him back sleep after his ahouty pre bottle antics sad

Its hard going back to work, did everyone survive when you got back? I went in today my official going back day will be 12th of jan, I'll be doing a day less and mum n dad will have him a few hoursone day.

glorious Tue 19-Nov-13 08:05:08

angielka I cried the first time I went to work too. It's amazing how much more capable everyone gets when you're not there isn't it. Boo to waking up though!

cupcakes I'm not back until February, just trying to get up to speed. Hours will either be 32 over 4 days or 21 over 3 in a more senior role in a job share. I'd be better off doing 4 days at my current level but the job share is two levels up so a good move longer term.

octane what rubbish from your GP. Obviously everyone should stop or continue as works best for their family, but there are actually still plenty of health benefits to breastfeeding a toddler (e.g. they get fewer colds, the mother's risk of breast cancer continues to decline.... kellymom.com/ages/older-infant/ebf-benefits/)

Sorry it has been so tough again bunty

Polyethyl Tue 19-Nov-13 09:25:24

Last night as I nursed the baby to sleep I said to her "if you go to sleep within the next 15 mins and stay asleep until at least 7am - I'll buy you a new rubber ducky". And to my astonishment she did! Bribery works already!
This morning my DH and I were so well rested that we DTD. I'm so delighted that I'm now in search of the perfect rubber duck to thank baby. Is this the start of a long future of bribing her to behave?!

glorious Tue 19-Nov-13 09:45:15

Wow brilliant poly! I'm going to try that tonight! Do you think it has to be a duck? grin

lollipoppi Tue 19-Nov-13 09:45:33

Octane shock at your doctor! Ignore and carry on as you are!

Mrs Bugsy your poor DH, must be awful to be a man and have everything twice a bad, poor lamb wink

I hated going back to work after ds1 but after a few weeks he settled well at nursery and I started to enjoy work again, it made me feel a bit more human smile

Will be going back to work sometime in the new year when DS1 gets his free hours at nursery and I can afford to put DD in for a couple of days!

Polyethyl Tue 19-Nov-13 10:07:01

Octane - I had a weigh in at the sure start centre yesterday - my DD is on the 60th percentile, crawls and babbles and eats everything put in front of her three times a day.... but I am also still breastfeeding on demand. The HV tried to persuade me to drop the feeds. I politely expressed surprise that I was being encouraged to breastfeed less and the atatmosphere became frosty. It's bonkers - why do they say these things? !?!

octanegirl Tue 19-Nov-13 17:34:37

Exactly! One one hand they are bribing new mothers with £200 to BF, then they tell us who still are, to stop! WTF?

Lostbobbles Tue 19-Nov-13 20:48:50

Octane - angryangryangry did you ask if she had any good advice! At my weigh in last week, the hv congratulated me for still BF grin. Re language she mentioned up until 2 they are all so different.

DD2 is such a chatterbox loudmouth compared to my DD1. She now does Moo sound and says bye bye.

Bunty sorry your having shit time again

Really feel for you guys going back to work, I am being such a wuss this time, even the thought of leaving her in the gym crèche is making me nauseous or that could be down to gym part I was a lot tougher with leaving DD1. Need to sort myself out.

Gymboree day today, DD2 gets so excited when we walk in, so cute.

Lostbobbles Tue 19-Nov-13 20:50:08

Obv DD2 weigh in not mine, lol nappy off please shock

octane am shock at your Dr, you could point him to the WHO guidelines that babies should ideally be bf till they are at least two.

A few weeks ago I was worried that dd wasn't really babbling so I mentioned it to the HV who was very doom and gloom about it; then a couple of days later she suddenly started saying hey-hey, then the next day it was la-la, and now we get the full range. So it can start out of the blue.

I also read a book called baby talk, which had some useful suggestions about encouraging speech, which were:

Talk about whatever the baby is currently focusing on
Use simple sentences eg 'that's a ball'.
No background noise
Spend half an hour a day just sitting playing and talking to baby with no distractions
Copy any noises they make

That was about it I think. I wouldn't bother reading the book if I was you because it takes a few hundred pages to tell you what I've written above, and the way it's written makes you panic if your baby isn't doing what the book says. I've read it so you don't have to wink

Oh and according to this bf may actually promote language development. So double fail to your doc.

Am sure its helping Ivy speech development..she grabs at my chest going bbrrr when she fancies a feed grin

Today Ivy finally moved to a forward facing carseat - weightwise she could have moved ages ago. Feel like she grew up abit today!

grin lost

Rhyme time today she actually claps in the right places now sometimes but refused to sit down today, just climbed all over me and used anyone to support her including another baby

Angielka Tue 19-Nov-13 21:29:09

I love you all. Honestly, it makes me so happy to see that despite the crap one or several of us has to go through in rl, there's this group of mners who can provide links that show we're doing all right and everyone out there against us is wrong and should sod off.


octanegirl Tue 19-Nov-13 21:45:12

Yay, I feel way better, thanks y'all!
In yo' face Doctor beaaatch!

Question for other BFers - is anyone's baby showing less interest in boob? He's a bit "meh" about it in the last week and today refused the left one TWICE. Finally took it at 6pm. Maybe the left one tastes different to the right? Surely he can't be showing his political leanings at such a tender age?

I'll be really sad if he throws in the towel. Is it just a phase do you think?
He yanks himself off and twists around to try and find interesting things to do. I've tried taking away distractions but then he tries to find new ones.

newbie6 Tue 19-Nov-13 21:45:45

Hi everyone,

Well I'm at the end of my tether, LO refuses to sleep at night. He eats fine during the day, naps for no more than 1 to 2 hrs, has a set bedtime routine but since he was 4 mths (when he used to be a great sleeper) he now won't sleep longer than best case 5 hrs but more often than not 3 hrs? Only way to re settle is to usually give him a bottle of milk. I'm soooo tired and working full time from home too, honestly want to cry. Am I doing something wrong? He used to self settle and I do leave him before going to him but can't face leaving him more than a few minutes when he is sobbing his heart out?



newbie big hugs. Afraid I have no advice but every sympathy, as Cameron is exactly the same.

glorious Wed 20-Nov-13 07:39:12

Just sympathy here too as Ellen is worse sad (hourly most of the night, but now doing 5 hours at the start which is amazing! And sleeping in her cot!).

angielka I agree, you lot are fab thanks

glorious Wed 20-Nov-13 07:41:04

Oh and octane yes, she's not keen to feed much in the day. I'm trying not to push it but just keep offering in calm environments. Night is another issue!

Angielka Wed 20-Nov-13 08:25:36

octane Molly still like bfing but I've heard loads of people talk about pahses where they find other things just so much more interesting. I know I'm producing way less milk now too, as when I was a way for two days I expressed and not that much was coming out. I've expressed regularly and had much more in the past too so it's not a baby vs pump thing. They are gradually deciding how much they need and I've heard of nursing strikes too. PLUS, I have to admit I am now only feeding from one side. It happened with DD1 too (earlier - from 8 months). One side clearly produces less/it comes out slower/tastes different??? and both my girls decided to focus on the other side, which is a vicious cycle. I am a bit wonky, but it's working fine hmm

newbie so sorry you're struggling. It's so tough with sleep issues. I really don't want to come across as smug, but Molly for the first time in her life slept 7-7 last night. We have had nights of 2 hourly wakings, we've been through early rising (5 each morning for a looooong time) and we've had screaming for no reason and recently we've been struggling a bit with night weaning but I just want to give some kind of hope that it doesn't last forever. I know some people on here have had medical reasons for difficult nights though, so maybe it's worth checking in with your GP? I'm sorry, I can't remember if you've already done that...

CreepyCrawly Wed 20-Nov-13 10:22:52

How can a newborn sleep 8-12 hours a night, and then at 10 months be up every 3 hours?! She blows in my face now too to make sure I get up. Also, why is the mountain of toys not as exciting as the DVD player/stereos/phone.

Haha apple, rhyme time can be quite a challenge now can't it? There are 3 babies in our group all having to stand up. One of them has just started walking and just walks through everyone.

I cannot believe the attitudes of some of your HVs! The mind boggles.

Yay on the sleep angie!

Lora1982 Wed 20-Nov-13 11:08:36

We've also had a crap few nights well I have dp didnt deal with it I put it down to him learning how to pull himself up and the start of a new cold. I turned his room into an aromatherapy den and he slept through, thank god.

We also only boob from one side, it stems back to abcess days though. Cant say my boobs look wonky though and plus he only has it twice, three times max

Let him have his leapfrog activity table early mum says im bad but my reasoning is he needs it now not in a month when he gets loads of other stuff.

Pascha Wed 20-Nov-13 12:20:07

I really don't see the point of keeping stuff back for christmas if they could do with it now. Dan has half his present already. He will be just as happy with a balloon in a box to open anyway.

He went through a difficult stage of daytime feeding for 30 secs max and finding everything else too interesting. He's come out the other side now and settled back down again. I put it down to the eternal teething coupled with lots going on. He has 4 feeds a day and none in the night thank goodness.

Been to playgroup this morning where DS1 was happily off with his friend playing cars and Daniel would not consent to sit nicely in the baby area with the baby toys so he was scrambling all over the hall being scooped up by whichever parent he happened to climb through the legs of. He's dangerous.

Birdies Wed 20-Nov-13 14:00:27

newbie I'm sure you've tried everything but what's the temperature in the room and what does he wear in bed? I think the room needs to be much warmer than the recommended 18 degrees, so 20 degrees all night with a 2.5 tog sleeping bag. But heh, what do I know, X slept 7-7 also for the first time ever, but then last night she was up loads. And I've no idea why. But everyone says it passes, so you just have to get through it somehow and believe it will get better. In my opinion though you are doing exactly the right thing by not leaving him to cry for long.

octane I would complain about the doctor if I was you and refer them to the guidance someone mentioned earlier.

I'm so temped to give mine their presents early but am trying to resist, although creepy I agree, nothing seems to be as exciting as remote controls, electric cables and cardboard.

Does anyone else spend half the day fishing inedible things out of baby's mouth? She eats quite a lot of paper as well when I don't get there in time, so the corners of her books are disappearing and she's chewed through my Blackberry!

newbie6 Wed 20-Nov-13 14:15:34

Thanks everyone, really appreciate your replies.

Temperature in room varies between 19 and 20 degrees and he is in of those merino wool sleeping bags to regulate his temp but may turn the heating up to see if it helps, I'll try anything!

Not spoken to doctor as he is happy and content so think I may be laughed out the surgery!

I think what bugs me is the fact he was such a good sleeper who would self settle and then from about 4.5mths he has turned into a nightmare. He does seem to be learning lots of new things at the moment what with crawling, pulling himself up and also starting nursery a couple of days a week,maybe his wee brain is in meltdown?

I will hang on to the fact that it will pass, eventually, hopefully soon!

Thanks again,


Birdies Wed 20-Nov-13 15:13:28

newbie that temp sounds right so maybe don't turn it up! I wouldn't want to be responsible for him waking even more!! If it's any consolation, X self settled too until about 4.5 months old. She was sleeping 9 hours in a row at that point, then another 3. I've been trying to get back to that ever since (she's nearly 11 months). It's not as bad now so hopefully it will continue to improve and hope that will be the same for you. Sounds like he may just be in a busy phase of learning lots of new things.

octane yes re bf, I can only feed X in a dark quiet room, usually with something draped over her eyes! Gone are the days of being able to feed downstairs/anywhere.

Anyone else find the teeth painful now though? It really hurts when she first latches on. If I knew how to give up bf I would, but not sure what to do and am being lazy in not finding out.

Angielka Wed 20-Nov-13 19:42:13

birdies Molly has six teeth now and when the four top ones came in (almost all at once...) it was a bit painful when she latched on. I think it's just a question of the baby getting used to the new mouth shape though because I can honestly say I don't feel a thing now, a few weeks later.

Fingers crossed for good nights all round cake

Meringue33 Wed 20-Nov-13 20:39:22

So the Christmas lights have knocked out the power in the whole neighbourhood! Been sat in dark and cold since 5pm, and it's snowing!!

And poor LO fell fast asleep without even having his bottle earlier, so who knows what the night ahead will bring.

thanks cake to all those struggling. I am off to bed!