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December 2012: we need more chocolate and cake!!

(993 Posts)
halestone Wed 25-Sep-13 22:07:45

New Thread

BopsX3 Wed 25-Sep-13 22:16:18

oooo new shiny thread grin

brew cake settling in smile

2blessed Wed 25-Sep-13 22:24:51

I am so so sorry for your loss fod

ddas Wed 25-Sep-13 22:48:00

So sorry for your loss fod can't imagine what you're going through.

FriendofDorothy Wed 25-Sep-13 23:05:29

Thank you. I am shattered but don't want to sleep.

WLmum Wed 25-Sep-13 23:22:53

You must be. I'll keep checking on here each time I'm up in the night in case you need some company. I wish I had something decent to say but everything sounds trite. Know that we're all thinking of you and will offer support in any way we can. Xxx

ISpyPlumPie Wed 25-Sep-13 23:25:40

FOD so sorry for your loss. My thoughts are with you and your family thanks.

utopian99 Thu 26-Sep-13 00:46:20

Hi fod, just checking in and hope you're getting some rest. X

FriendofDorothy Thu 26-Sep-13 01:00:08

Lying in bed but finding sleep difficult tonight.

WLmum Thu 26-Sep-13 03:22:18

Hey fod, really hope you're asleep at last but I'm up if you want company. Is mr fod with you? Xx

FriendofDorothy Thu 26-Sep-13 05:40:21

I slept for a couple if hours I think. Just spoke to my sister who is at gatwick. She is flying out to be with our dad. I wish I could have font with her but it wasn't doable.

Barbeasty Thu 26-Sep-13 05:45:26

FoD I'm really sorry.

The m42 was fine, as was the a road the sat nav brought me home on last night. .. DH said A was getting more and more worked up looking for me, and had just cried himself to sleep when I got in at 10.45.

Just got to brave the motorway twice more. ...

Oh I just posted on the old thread.... blush

We all slept until 7:15. Dp is grumpy because he over slept.

Fod my thoughts are still with you thanks

utopian99 Thu 26-Sep-13 08:13:52

V nice spotty, although sorry for stressed dp. Found out during 1am feed that some cheeky eejit has hacked my phone account! Thankfully Vodafone are very easy to get hold of at that time of night; hurrah for Indian call centres!

utopian99 Thu 26-Sep-13 08:15:59

Poor A beasty. I left O with DM for 4 hours while I went to survey a client's house, almost put out that he didn't seem at all fussed when I got back!

It's ok he wasn't as grumpy as I thought grin

Beasty that must be horrible sad

PurplePidjin Thu 26-Sep-13 08:38:09


itsMYNutella Thu 26-Sep-13 09:01:19

Good Morning all.
Fod I hope you managed some rest. Still sending you all our best wishes and lots of strength!

beasty awww poor baby, it's horrible isn't it we worry so much about everything when they won't remember this bit at all! Probably a good thing that we can't remember being in nappies smile

utopian I've left DS with my mum a couple of times and he doesn't seem at all bothered that I'm not there. I'm not sure if he wants me or just the boobies!

My mum has helped put DS down for a morning nap.... It worked fine! It took at most 30 minutes and when I said "that was fast" she said it wasn't. I told her that if I try I fight him for an hour and give in and feed him to sleep or I simply feed him to sleep.... I think DP and mum will be putting DS down for naps until Monday! Maybe he will have learnt by then that he can fall asleep without boob??? Perhaps I should also stick on a big thick jumper before I try confused

Maryland2013 Thu 26-Sep-13 10:10:53

FoD I'm so sorry to read your news. I hope you got some rest. Hope your dad can get home soon..

halestone Thu 26-Sep-13 13:32:45

FoD your in my thoughts and prayers today.

Beasty awww i think that its cute that A misses you H doesn't seem abit bothered when i get home from work.

Nutella, good luck with sorting DS's naps

Bop yay to Olivers new teethgrin.

We're off to wigan today to buy DP something for H's Christening. We were meant to go early but H refused to sleep till 1:30am and then was up alot screaming it sounded like she was in pain, then she'd get comfy and fall asleep again. She only actually woke up for the day at 11:50. So now we're in a rush.

itsMYNutella Thu 26-Sep-13 17:15:12

I haven't fed DS since this morning.... Holding out for the bedtime feed..... My boobies are definitely starting to feel a bit full....

How come Nutella?

itsMYNutella Thu 26-Sep-13 18:39:00

Spotty I'm trying to get him used to naps without boobie; it has meant he isn't really coming to me for a feed. I've offered him water from his bottle as usual when out and a sippy cup of water with his meals.

I'd really like it if he fed morning and evening. Do you think he needs more? I'm expecting him to carry on wanting two night feeds though. It would be nice if he would sleep all night smile but it'll happen sometime!

utopian99 Thu 26-Sep-13 18:46:10

O seems to be starting to phase out day feeds and cut down nights too. I need to stop offering and wait for him to 'ask' really, but it's an easy sleep cue..

Bad side effects is I seem to have a blocked duct. Rubbish. Might see if I can have a hot bath tonight.

How are you fod? Still thinking of you.

Oh no utopian you have my sympathies if you need any advice in your girl wink

Nutella they say at this age they should be having 4/5 bf per 24 hours so I think what you're doing is fine smile if when wink he starts sleeping through I would probably offer feeds in the day again if he's still under a year. I'm going to stop offering all day feeds once ds hits a year and I will get rid of the bottle he has at night too. I will give him cows milk in a supply cup. I wonder if it's possible to just do one feed a day as I like the first morning one....

itsMYNutella Thu 26-Sep-13 19:24:51

spotty that's interesting about them still having 4/5 feeds a day, where is that? We have a packet of powder (for emergency use if I'm not here and DS won't settle) and on the side of the box it says 1/2 bottles from 6 months on which I though was odd. DS has eaten really well today and is starting to take more water so I'm hoping I can take advantage of that and drop some feeds. He will be 9 months next week.

utopian O is only a few days older than DS (1/1) how many times a day does he feed? He honestly hasn't come to me for a feed all day today (I haven't been putting him down for naps today).

I wonder if advice is different where you are Nutella, milk is the most important thing in their diet until they're a year old. HV's here advise 3 bottles a day once weaning has properly begun and it was a HV that said 4/5 feeds per 24 hours. DS is ten months today and has 3/4 feeds from me and one bottle a day.

utopian99 Thu 26-Sep-13 20:17:58

nutella he still has morning and night feeds, and one mid-late morning to make him sleep so I can work but if we're busy with groups he'll skip it and have a rice cake and dried apricots instead. I offer about an hour after lunch but he's less and less bothered and tends to wait till 5ish as I give him a mid afternoon snack anyway (supper is at 7.30).
Still on 1/2 overnight though..

WLmum Thu 26-Sep-13 20:20:54

Ts eating has been rubbish for a few days, I think it might be because she's back to taking lots of milk at night. Am starting to stop them again (started again because she had a cold and teething) so it'll be a few nights of gentle battling. Hopefully then I might get some decent sleep.

fod been thinking of you all day. Xx

WLmum Thu 26-Sep-13 20:24:41

Just off to ice the cupcakes I made for a Macmillan coffee morning tomorrow. They didn't rise very evenly so I'll chop off the tops and pipe buttercream on to hide it. Now, whatever will I do with all those cake tops?? [slopes off to find custard]

Barbeasty Thu 26-Sep-13 20:47:13

Spotty with DD I found I could manage with feeding being really up & down when she was 1-2. So even a night away so no feeding for 24 hrs wasn't a problem. I think your body would adjust to 1 a day.

A isn't bothered too much by my leaving him for a 10hr working day, but I think he's worked out that it's 10hrs if you see what I mean. So going to over 17hrs yesterday threw him. Nursery said he seemed emotional and not himself today! But I did get lots of smiles this evening.

DH had told DD that she'd have to change his nappy last night, because he's not as good as me, as a joke. So when he was getting him ready for bed last night DD got out of bed and asked if he needed her to change the nappy.

BopsX3 Thu 26-Sep-13 21:10:22

Nutella, Oliver's formula fed and he has two 9oz bottles and that's it, he doesn't night feed at all. Up until a few days ago he had 9oz In the morning with breakfast, 5oz about 10am ish and another 9oz just before bed but my HV told me to cut out the 10am bottle so he just has the two 9oz ones now

BopsX3 Thu 26-Sep-13 21:12:40

Ah barbeasty that's lovely that your DD wanted to change a nappy smile

I've told my 2 older DSs that they're on nappy duty before and they both ran off screaming and hid under their beds grin

itsMYNutella Thu 26-Sep-13 21:46:03

Beasty your DD is such a sweety! How long did you feed her for, if you don't mind me asking?

Bops that's interesting about bottle feeds. Thank you.

If DS comes to me and wants more I'll give it to him but I was sort of curious to see if he would last all day. I have noticed before that if we are out a lot he will fall asleep in the buggy; but when we were at a friends the other day and he was tired he came to me for feeds but wasn't really interested, just wanting comfort really and probably to go to sleep. He won't feed while we're out because there are so many things to see and do. I'll see how he is tonight.... grin

halestone Thu 26-Sep-13 22:30:02

My HV said H should be on 20oz of formula a day now and that her actual meals would make up for the reduction in formula. But H is awful at weaning some days she does ok some she eats nothing. I've decided to follow her cues and get her what she wants.

Hoping for a better night than last night. Do you think its possible for Colic to come back at this age?

WLmum Thu 26-Sep-13 22:31:59

If I'm not working I offer T mid morning and mid afternoon feeds in addition to the wake up and bedtime feeds she always has. Sometimes she guzzles, sometimes she's too interested in other stuff. She has been having one big feed and one/two snack feeds during the night which I'm aiming to slowly (ish) stop.

WLmum Thu 26-Sep-13 22:36:30

I think that's a good plan for now hales. If she doesn't up her food in a couple of months you can tackle it then. I don't think it's possible for colic to come back. Could something else have been troubling her? Teeth? Cold?
I thought of you when I met my friends new born - very ginger - like her mum, H and the cat! My friends hair is very distinctive and a bit of a trademark and she's delighted that lo is ginger too.

I can't imagine it's colic Hales. Maybe she had something that upset her tummy? Or it could be teeth as always.

We had a bad night with this molar, I stopped counting at ~5 wake ups. DS is back up to 6 x 5oz bottles per day. He's been refusing food since he was ill with that cold. Slowly trying to build it back up again and reduce the milk but he's but having it.

I'm glad your sister is able to go out to your dad FoD. Do you have support at home still?

halestone Thu 26-Sep-13 22:47:05

Willyou and WL it could be the molar but i think i'm imagining feeling it as i can't feel it now. Though that seems to happen alot with H's teeth before they pop through for good IYSWIM. She has got rosy cheeks and a red bum though.

Gingers are well the best WL haha. H's is very very Ginger i love it too, i'm very proud of it for some odd reason. Was it weird seeing a newborn? I can't imagine having a newborn now, although i would like to be able to put her down whilst i go the toilet and come back and she still be in the same place.

FoD i hope you manage to get some sleep tonight.

BopsX3 Thu 26-Sep-13 22:50:57

I have 2 ginger children grin

Ds2 and Oliver are ginger and I'm ginger myself. DS1 is the odd one out in my house with blonde hair

WLmum Thu 26-Sep-13 22:57:45

It was lovely and she felt so tiny (8lb). I had a lovely 'on the shoulder' cuddle and felt just a smidge broody! That was a bit odd as I didn't/don't particularly feel like that about bil/sils lo (4 months ish) but maybe that's because we're not very close and my friend is one of my oldest and bestest.
I think teeth can play hide and seek for a bit and I think it's the movement before they properly pop through that often causes the most distress. Poor little lambs.

WLmum Thu 26-Sep-13 23:01:21

bops a bit oddly my friend didn't want her ds to be ginger (he's blond) but I have a secret thing for ginger men - not brown ginger but proper ginger! Have had several ginger grown up crushes - Don't tell DH!

BopsX3 Thu 26-Sep-13 23:06:21

Ill post a pic on my profile in a second of how ginger DS2s hair is. I took it the other day because I was trying to show a friend what my hair used to be like before I started dying it

2blessed Thu 26-Sep-13 23:10:40

hales H's feeding pattern sounds a lot like R's. He's mixed fed now and generally loves his food but sometimes very fussy. Its easy for me now so long as I'm at home but hope he'll go with the flow once he starts nursery.

He's been in bed since 8.30 with one wake up for a quick cuddle.

BopsX3 Thu 26-Sep-13 23:15:01

Ive put it on. youll have to let me know if you can see it, its the first time Ive put a pic on my profile. Im v.proud of his hair grin

also, I have no idea why my profile says I have no children... I have 3! confused

PurplePidjin Thu 26-Sep-13 23:15:29

Thinking of you fod thanks

R gets up at 5:30-6 for breakfast with daddy. Boob at 7:15, sometimes nap but i think he's dropping that one. He sleeps around 10ish for 40-60 minutes, earlier and longer if he hasn't had the breakfast nap, later and shorter if he has. Then around 1:30/2 for 30-40 minutes. Dinner is 4:30 now dp has started his new job, then books, bath at 5:30 and boob 5:45. He only comes out of the cot for a nappy if he wakes after midnight otherwise a hand hold and Ewan (sometimes calpol) settle him down.

Tonight he woke after I'd gone to work so they took him downstairs, read some books then dp put him back to bed shock

I'd rather he had milk in the day and got the sleep at night, he's pure grouch when he hasn't had enough over night despite his short naps!

halestone Thu 26-Sep-13 23:33:41

I have no idea how to get on profiles Bop, on here on my phonehmm

WL i have always had a thing for Gingers apparently alot of boyfriends and crushes have been ginger. Its a longstanding joke that if a mans ginger and not good looking i'll normally fancy them haha.

jackandjilly Fri 27-Sep-13 06:37:39

Morning all

Still thinking if you FOD

Well it was my best friends mums funeral yesterday. She did amazingly well and managed to get through her reading. I stood up with her and held her hand. There was not a dry eye in the place and it was totally packed out. The younger siblings all did brilliantly too, poor souls. hmm

J was not happy about being left with people he didn't know very well. Think he is a bit of a mummy's boysmile

Stayed with my friend last night, had a few wines and a chin wag. V late to bed and up at 4.30 ouchy! Got a 3 hours drive home today.

utopian99 Fri 27-Sep-13 06:56:22

hales click on anyone with a blue name on the thread and it takes you to their profile..

bop what Glorious Hair! How old?

I have a horribly sore throat. This doesn't bode well.

BopsX3 Fri 27-Sep-13 07:29:56

Jackass jolly what a wonderful friend you are smile

BopsX3 Fri 27-Sep-13 07:30:28

Utopian hes 4.9, also a December baby smile

Barbeasty Fri 27-Sep-13 09:07:32

Nutella I fed DD until about 25-26 months. Really we stopped because I was moving into maternity clothes that were useless for feeding! And I wanted to have a pause between feeding her and DS being born.

DH has managed to pull the handle off the family fix car seat base in his car. So, I looked to see where we can get a replacement, thinking we'd get another easy fix base because they're cheaper (and I prefer it) Except the price has gone up, and they cost about £120!!

I'm wondering whether to spend a tiny bit more and get a different seat plus base combo, then we'd have one in each car.

I don't want the next size up seat, because we have 2 rear facing ones (one in each car) that DD is in and A will use when he moves up, but DD isn't ready to move to a booster yet.

Argh. So expensive, and complicated! !

Stacks Fri 27-Sep-13 12:37:20

Checking in to new thread. I'm relieved to hear of other on/off eaters. T is going through an off phase and I'm trying not to stress. Had him weighed last week and he's dropped of his line (below the 50th now) for weight. HV said he should be on 3 meals a day, with dessert at lunch and dinner. I struggle to get him to eat more than a few spoonfuls of anything these days. Yesterday he had less than 1/6 of a jar of food. He eats maybe slightly more of my food, but still an insignificant amount. He's also started taking everything out of his mouth?, including foodshes always liked before. Just chews for a bit then scrapes it all out with his fingers. sad

People waver on calling T ginger, he's just a really light blonde I think. DH hates being called ginger and he's adamant T has no red in his hair at all.

Still thinking of you FoD. flowers

BopsX3 Fri 27-Sep-13 12:41:21

Omg! I've just realised my pp says jackass jolly shock goddamn auto correct on my phone! I'm so sorry, it's supposed to say jackandjilly confused

halestone Fri 27-Sep-13 15:32:41

Bop i love that hair colour (i've come on my laptop for a nose) Heidi's is a lighter than that though. Thank You Utopian for telling me how to get on Bops profile i would have never figured it out smile

Stacks and 2blessed, H has always been like that with food we can hardly get more than a couple of mouthfuls of food in her, she will eat some of ine but again, not alot. But after saying that shes well above the 99th centile line but she always has been. People often think shes alot older than she is and are surprised when i say shes only 9 months old.

JackandJilly i hope you and your friend are ok. thanks

Fod I'm thinking of you today thanks

Hi everyone been at work most of the day. Ds happy but I just took dd's temp and it was 39.8 shock neurofen administered will check again in half an hour

Maryland2013 Fri 27-Sep-13 18:01:52

Hey spotty
We have a fever here too... Up in the night and very very grumpy today. I feel like we only just got over the last c

Maryland2013 Fri 27-Sep-13 18:02:29

The last cold...
He's refused all his food too today. sad

utopian99 Fri 27-Sep-13 18:56:45

I was making tiffin today and O got hold of a bit. He is now overtired and catastrophically hyper. All my own silly fault; we are going for a walk in the sling as a desperate attempt to induce sleep...

WLmum Fri 27-Sep-13 19:55:31

T seems to have gone off food quite a bit too. I've found spreading some of her dinner on a rice cake works quite well, then I sneak in extra spoonfuls when I can.

Hope dd is ok spotty

We had car shenanigans today - result is £400 poorer and a very grumpy me.

WLmum Fri 27-Sep-13 19:57:20

Mmmm, tiffin! I was very restrained at the Macmillan coffee morning - it was all very posh and no one seemed to be eating much, rather buying it for later so I didn't want to look like a massive pig.

utopian99 Fri 27-Sep-13 19:59:22

Sorry to hear about the car WL; I've done a spotty wink and forgot mot. Turns out it was due August 9th, argh!
O calmed down in the sling and had early (for him) supper, so now in bed. Dh is catching up with a friend from Manchester in the city still so looks like an evening of drawing beckons. Got to get it done but quite fancy sacking off in favour of dubious TV..

Barbeasty Fri 27-Sep-13 20:01:56

Oh dear WL, accident or service?

DH managed to get a base for "just" £80 at a shop near his work, so sorted. But if anyone has the maxi cosi family fix base, be aware that the handle is a weak point!

No fevers here, but horrible colds all round still. I'm glad I have a daily steroid inhaler- I'm the only one without a chesty cough.

FoD I hope you're taking care of yourself and doing ok.

Barbeasty Fri 27-Sep-13 20:05:40

I manage my MOT because 2 garages write and tell me it's due (the dealer I got it from and the dealer the previous owner used).

Spotty and Utopian put next year's MOT in your phone now!! For a month before it's due so you can book it!

Ouch WL sad

Oh no utopian! I felt a bit sick thinking of driving dd and ds round not being insured

WLmum Fri 27-Sep-13 20:10:08

Neither, repairs that I put off after the mot and service til the next credit card month.

Ooh thanks Utopian, I had my MOT done this week but I'd totally forgotten to tax it as I couldn't do it until after the MOT. I've done it now.

Complete tea refusal tonight. I'm looking forward to the many night feeds that always result from J having no tea. He's napped like a trouper today though. 2 1h45m naps. This tooth had better hurry the chuff up and I've run out of calpol sad

Mmm tiffin. DP and I are on strict diets. I put on 8lbs in 10 days being a pig on holiday shock. I already want to dive head first off the wagon.

What's happened to the car WL?

AH x post. I've had MOT and tax this month but it's a diesel so only £30 tax.

I had to tax mine too angry stupid cars

envy WillYou mine was £100

WLmum Fri 27-Sep-13 22:18:59

willyou I'm hoping that cutting out night feeds will lead to better eating again. Bit chicken and egg though isn't it.

Hope fod is bearing up ok.

ISpyPlumPie Fri 27-Sep-13 23:34:13

Car tax day here today as well, but another one with a £30 bargain diesel so can't moan. Also managed to get through MOT with only a replacement bulb needed (but think I was due an easy year after last year's expense).

Have had a grumpy little man the last few days. Think teeth are the most likely culprit - he's obsessed with finding hard things to chew, and I'm sure I can see the start of a molar. Took DS1 to the dentist today and she tried to have a quick look at N's teeth too. He wasn't really playing ball, and she almost got bit but everything looked fine as far as she could see.

Still thinking of you Fod.

Dd woke me up burning up again. I've given medicine and she's trying to go back to sleep, I can't sleep though!

2blessed Sat 28-Sep-13 05:59:30

2 wake ups here. Definitely thinking teeth, one of his top front teeth is coming through.

utopian99 Sat 28-Sep-13 06:16:52

Yeah, we're a bit stuck with no mot! Thankfully no major trips till I can get it done..

O slept 8pm-5.45am with a quick resettle from dh at 11pm. This is unheard of in our house... Maybe chocolate is the answer after all! (I jest)

Ds did 6:30-7 unfortunately I was up with dd for a bit. On the plus side dp isn't working or playing football this weekend shock

Maryland2013 Sat 28-Sep-13 07:28:28

We were up countless times with v unhappy baby. He's so sad. I'm so tired!

I hate paying for car stuff, feels like such a waste when there's nicer things to spend money on!

Beasty how long have you had the family fix base? You say the handle is knackered?

Poor you Maryland and 2blessed.

Hope DD feels better soon Spotty, does she feel unwell or just hot?

Next door went to work at 5:45 and left their dog yapping and flinging himself against the internal door. I finally managed to wake the (20 year old, lazy, childish) daughter at 6:45 and it's stopped. Unfortunately me hammering on the party wall woke Jamie so we're watching bubble guppies. [terrible mummy emoticon]

Dd loves that WillYou! She's got a cough and a tummy ache so I'm assuming it's a virus. She often suffers with them. That would have really annoyed me angry are they usually so inconsiderate?

They are not inconsiderate Spotty, they are twats. Enormous, great, fucking twats with bells on. (So yes!)

Barbeasty Sat 28-Sep-13 08:31:27

Maryland we used it for about 15 months (or just under) with DD, and then for the last 9 months with A. So about 2 year's use. Which I was thinking wasn't too bad, until I remembered it's meant to go with their next stage seat so really should last at least 4 years!

The handle us beyond broken- it came off in DH's hand.He had to get the tool box out to get the seat off.

A woke lots, including a noisy and playful wake at midnight.

Maryland2013 Sat 28-Sep-13 09:52:24

Beasty I think I would be tempted to try to return it. If it's meant to last 4 years then it ls not fit for purpose?
I'm a serial complainer. I love the sale of goods act (!!)

I would complain too!

Aha WillYou I think I remember now

Dd's still not great her temp is down to 38.5 without medicine but she hasn't had a wee since 3:30 this morning.

What fruit is everyone giving their dc atm? It's not great this time of year we tend to stick to apples, bananas and satsumas but ds can only eat the bananas due to lack of teeth hmm

PurplePidjin Sat 28-Sep-13 12:37:51

Pears, bananas, dried apricots, raisins, apples, tbh i tend to stock up on multipacks of ready-pureed fruit to have as pudding or mix with breakfast.

Ds can't eat any of that as. I use fruit purée in breakfast too also have some Ella's fruit pouches. I don't eat much fruit really so I worry a bit! blush

2blessed Sat 28-Sep-13 13:00:48

R eats nearly every fruit which I'm really pleased about. He also eats red pepper, cucumber and mange tout quite happily.

Fx your DD feels better soon spotty.

Today seems to be one of those not eat much days. DP tried all different things for his brekkie but R wasn't having it. I just made toasted pitta with cheese and hummous and he picked at it before feeding from me and now he's napping.

spotty ds doesn't have any teeth yet - he loves his bananas but also ripe plums at the moment and he likes sucking slices of juicy apple. canned prunes mashed up and spoon fed are also great especially if he's been eating banana as it offsets the propensity for getting bunged up.

apart from fruit ds is refusing all food but milk since he got a cold 2 weeks ago, he's now reverted to waking for milk every 1-2 hours through the night... I wish he'd eat sad

my condolences fod

lazzaroo Sat 28-Sep-13 14:38:45

spotty fruit favourites here are plums, blueberries, raspberries, apple (sometimes I grate it for her), banana.

Baby lazza cutting her third tooth & I think it's giving her a bit of grief. I ordered her a Sophie giraffe which arrived today so hopefully she'll enjoy chewing on that!

The house is a mess (again!). DH at rugby, DD out with my sister & baby lazza asleep but instead f tidying I'm wasting time on the bargain thread!!

Thanks everyonesmile

Watermelon is a good one spotty, asda do little triangular snack packs so that you don't have a whole one wasted if no one else will be eating it. And of course the good old cutted up grape!

ISpyPlumPie Sat 28-Sep-13 16:03:36

N likes bananas, pineapple, mango, melon, apple, berries, watermelon - basically pretty much anything that comes his way. Must admit to being quite lazy and getting a ready prepared fruit platter for many of these as it's just easier blush.

Hope DD is better soon Spotty.

Have booted DH round to PIL's with the DC so I can try and make the house look slightly less like a bomb's hit it. Have sorted the kitchen, but really should be hoovering now. Instead I've booked DS1's birthday party for November, and now appear to be mnetting.....

BopsX3 Sat 28-Sep-13 16:29:08

Oliver's greedy and will eat anything you out in front of him. He generally has strawberries, apples, bananas and grapes. That's all I tend to buy though as they're the only fruits my 2 older sons will eat.

He's a bit under the weather today though but can't figure out whats up with him sad no temperature, no cough/cold, new teeth have just come through, he's eating and drinking fine, but he's very sleepy and cuddly, which isn't like him at all. He'd rather try and stick his fingers up my nose or play with my hair or try and climb off my knee to get something than sit and cuddle. There's just something not quite right with him but can't put my finger on it

Maryland2013 Sat 28-Sep-13 18:32:41

DS loves mango, banana, blueberries, watermelon and orange. He's not as bothered about apples raisins and apricots although likes puréed apples.
Spotty we use a fruit net thing with a handle for the harder fruits and DS loves gumming them til they turn to mush. He loves it! The only things he picks ups with his fingers are orange blueberries and banana. Bananas are brown and I cook the blueberries for a minute or 2 to soften.

Barbeasty Sat 28-Sep-13 20:04:43

The hipp fruit pots are good too. They're a pudding at nursery that A likes and I think they taste pretty good.

DD is pushing it. She's really into her doll and being a mummy at the moment, and whenever DH or MIL give her a present for being good she tries to ask for one for "baby". Because baby has been so good.

I'm thinking "baby" might get a dress and a tiny chocolate father Christmas in a small stocking!

ddas Sat 28-Sep-13 23:51:00

Love the things they say barbeasty. Ds told his nana that he felt sad and a biscuit would make it all better.

spotty dd's was also toothless till a couple of wks ago- now one tooth wonder but she could manage very soft pear, raspberries, mango, banana, kiwi & orange if I got rid of all the bits. With apple & harder fruits I cut them up into chunks and put in microwave for a couple of mins to make them soft enough for her to gum them.

ddas Sat 28-Sep-13 23:53:09

That's supposed to say just dd not dd's thankfully only 1 & not twins!!

2blessed Sun 29-Sep-13 03:21:49

Hope O perks up soon Bop

Just trying to get back to sleep after R's wake up. Nice chilled day today, looking for much the same from sunday.

lazzaroo Sun 29-Sep-13 08:45:59

Morning all...have come to all you wise ladies to canvas opinion....it's dd1 birthday in Dec. Her best friend has bday 6 days after (I have been friends with his mum since we were babies ourselves). We gave DD a party last year. friend hasn't done ds party yet as it has cashed with others. So, am thinking about suggesting we do a joint thing this year? They go to pre-school on same days & we have same group of friends so invited kids would be very similar.

I don't really want to get trapped into joint parties forever! But I don't think that will happen as next year they will be at different schools.

Ayone done this? Will it cause stress!! I.e costs, cakes etc etc!!

2blessed Sun 29-Sep-13 09:23:46

I think a joint party sounds like a great idea. Have a chat with your friend and agree budget/reponsibilities at the outset. Wouldnt worry too much about subsequent birthdays too much, as you say the DD's will be going to different schools and may form new friendships which that alone could make a joint party untenable just in terms of numbers alone.
Have fun, love party planning smile

jackandjilly Sun 29-Sep-13 10:22:57

A joint party sounds like a great idea to me. Split cost of food and entertainment, hire of hall etc plus extra hands to help. Plus it saves family's going to two parties in one weekend.

Can I ask a question to those giving blueberries. Do you chop them? smile

Maryland2013 Sun 29-Sep-13 10:44:45

Nope Jack, don't chop them although usually cook for 2 mins until they're just about bursting as much softer. They cone out while too (TMI??!!)

Maryland2013 Sun 29-Sep-13 10:45:11

* come out not cone out!

Maryland2013 Sun 29-Sep-13 10:45:47

*whole... Bloody phone!!!

I half them JackandJill.

Prior to MN I'd have said a joint party was a great idea, but I've read too many horror stories grin. I think as long as you lay out exactly what both of your expectations are (i.e. one isn't thinking of spending £20 and one has hundreds to spend) you'll be okay. Plus get 2 cakes, they have to have their own cakes!

DS has 2 molars coming now, however, I think we're way off them making an appearance. He gave DP the runaround from 2-4 this morning. In the end I got up and got in the spare room with DS as DP was starting to lose his rag a bit. He'd gone from a gentle shhshhshh to a terse shush DS, that's enough. Time to go to sleep now. Shush. Which was proving pretty counter productive.

I got up and dosed him to the eyeballs, he'd fall asleep, I'd lay him flat and the second his jaw touched the bed he'd shriek the house down. In the end I had to prop him up to sleep and we went off about 6ish.

DP must be knackered confused

lazzaroo Sun 29-Sep-13 11:34:05

Thanks all. Yes willyou, I think that's the only reason I'm doubting myself!! Seeing her later so will see what she thinks. Can I also just clarify we didn't plan to have babies at same time in some weird way! It just happened! We didn't know we were each trying...we ended up with due dates 1 day apart smile

I don't chop or cook blueberries!

Barbeasty Sun 29-Sep-13 12:40:43

So long as you are both clear about what you want, a joint party could be good.

A is revolting. He went too far today, not content with trying to put his hands in the toilet. I was getting my breakfast and heard bumbling and banging noises in the downstairs loo next door to the kitchen.

When I got in there the toilet brush holder was on its side on the floor, and A's hands and the feet of his baby grow were soggy. DH eventually found the brush behind the toilet. Gross.

Sadly we can't keep the bathroom doors closed, because DD struggles to open them. So must remember to shut A securely away if I'm not there.

And DD's choice of present for excellent behaviour at church? Moist toilet tissue to use as wet wipes for her doll.

I've put her to work now. She's picked all the crab apples off the lawn so I can make some jelly later. And I picked my quinces earlier so I've got to decide what to do with them.

BopsX3 Sun 29-Sep-13 12:58:01

Barbeasty Oliver is a toilet explorer too grin he's fast as lightening in his walker and he's in there before I realise he's gone

My 2 older boys keep "forgetting to flush the loo after they've used it though confused Gross!!!

Safe to say I have quite a large supply of anti bacterial hand soap and hand gel

Barbeasty Sun 29-Sep-13 13:17:17

He's much worse than DD ever was.

Barbeasty Sun 29-Sep-13 19:00:30

I take it back.

On the way to Slimbridge she drew 2 monsters on one leg and a policeman on the other knee in red felt tip.

In the way home, I thought DH had confiscated the red pen. But it would appear not. One arm is now covered in red spots.

But just to even things out, when I was putting her to bed, A was playing with the big cardboard box again, and he tipped it over so that it was completely over him and he was stuck in the dark. He didn't like it!

Tomorrow is another day!

Oh dear beasty! Dd is currently in bed screaming because she wants to stay up hmm how ds has stayed asleep I've no idea, he's right next to her.

I've got too baskets of washing to fold sad

lazzaroo Sun 29-Sep-13 19:10:17

My god, baby lazza is screaming, I'm crying, dd1 is crying because I can't do her story & DH seems oblivious. Yep, tonight is the night I decided I had to try something to improve our nights. It's horrible & I doubt it's even going to bloody work. Baby lazza must ate me right now....2 minutes feels like forever sad

Barbeasty Sun 29-Sep-13 19:21:54

That's the thing though, with 2 or more you can't please everyone.

We did manage to stop DD pulling her top down on one side in the pub, so baby could have some milk. Pretending isn't good enough, the doll needs access to the pipple! She agreed to wait until the car home.

Dd pulled a highchair on top of her today when we went out hmm

Lazza she doesn't hate you. Tell you dh to snuggle with dd1 and read her a story or you do story and he deals with dd2 for a bit he really needs to support you on this

2blessed Sun 29-Sep-13 19:27:35

Sending you and all of the other mum's with screaming lo's a hug lazza

I've said it before but I'll say it again, I love reading stories about your DD beasty.
Had a really productive day today. DP took R to see his family and I have cleaned, cleaned, cleaned. Also made a lovely roast dinner and now chilling out and catching up on what I've missed.

PurplePidjin Sun 29-Sep-13 19:33:37

lazza i did gentle sleep training with a bit of cc (i mashed up all the methods into something i was comfortable with) R now sleeps 6-5:30/6 with 1 or no wakes. Last night, in the travel cot at MILs, he woke at 7:15 and 8 (noisy big cousins) then slept til 6:15.

You're giving him what he needs not what he wants

lazzaroo Sun 29-Sep-13 19:47:15

Thank you all. She's asleep now but I hated every second of it. It took about 40mins. I kept going back in to reassure & every time she was out of her gro-bag! As soon as I picked her up to put it back on I could feel her relax & she could hardly keep her eyes open. Then screaming commenced as soon as I got near the cot. She absolutely most definitely dd not want this! I hope you're right pidj

DH did DD's story. He's convinced this is going to work because it did with DD, I'm not so sure.

Jealous of your productive day 2blessed. even when I get time alone (very rare!) I can't find the energy to do anything constructive.

utopian99 Sun 29-Sep-13 19:52:10

Sorry for those with howling LOs. We have been at my cousin's today and had a lovely day but O is now over tired and hyper again! Have given him early supper and now doing milk but the odds of him going to sleep any time soon are slim...

I need to prep a load of documents for a pre-start meeting tomorrow, which the client only gave me notice of in the middle of Fri afternoon. And it's at 8:30am.

WLmum Sun 29-Sep-13 20:16:01

I'm just feeding T to sleep (how she's still awake on 2 x20 min naps today I don't know) before my 3rd trip of the day to the leisure centre! First there was big 2s swimming lessons, then dd2 had a party there and tonight is my swim night.

lazza I agree with spotty and pidj - DH needs to pitch in and in a family, sometimes one person has to lose out so everyone else gets what they need. I'm guessing you're at the point where you need better sleep to be a better mummy/wife/happier person. All of which are necessary for everyone. Fx she gets the hang of it soon. In the meantime there's wine.

I have discovered a fun game - exposé myself to T and she bobs up and down with excitement, cover them up and she cries, repeat at speed for much hilarity!

2blessed Sun 29-Sep-13 20:26:02

love that game WL grin

DP and R are not home yet hmm.I think I may retire to my bed...

Ds is very uninterested in boob atm.

Have fun swimming WL smile

Barbeasty Sun 29-Sep-13 21:27:24

A is wide awake. This isn't meant to happen!

jackandjilly Sun 29-Sep-13 21:42:28

J goes wild if he sees my boobs, I have to dress v quickly! He also took a swipe at dh's exposed nipple yesterday, much to my amusementgringringrin

BopsX3 Sun 29-Sep-13 22:42:40

Looks like I'm in for a loooonng night sad my twatting neighbours are on one again hmm they've woken my boys up twice so far. I now have Oliver and DS2 in my bed and DS1 is asleep on the couch next to me. Neighbours are still banging and shouting though confused

WLmum Sun 29-Sep-13 22:46:14

Oh dear bops that must be awful. I'm sure my girls would find that quite upsetting. You could call environmental health - a friend of mine did it a few weeks back as her neighbours were having a mega party until 4.30am.

ISpyPlumPie Sun 29-Sep-13 22:49:31

Lazza - hope you're feeling ok. Don't think there's an easy way to deal with it, but sounds like you are getting there (even if it doesn't feel like it). Would second WL's suggestion of wine in the meantime.

Hope the meeting goes well Utopian.

We have a toilet explorer here too. Funnily enough, I don't remember it being an issue with DS1 either but N will seize upon any gap in the door with lightning speed.

Have had a nice evening - went for a meal for our sixth wedding anniversary. Went a bit earlier than we would have gone pre-DC, and got back just in time for N's "only mummy will do" zone so all good smile.

BopsX3 Sun 29-Sep-13 22:51:28

I was thinking of reporting them to my landlord (I'm in a HA house) but I don't feel I can as my house is extremely noisy during the day. DS1 has SEN so he's very loud, boisterous and has no self control. However, my house is quiet after 7.30 once the kids are all asleep.

My neighbours are drinkers and they're always arguing and banging at night. They were banging that loud the other night it sounded as though they were going to come through the wall hmm

WLmum Sun 29-Sep-13 23:06:18

Report them bops. You can't help that ds has sen and so is noisy, and people will always expect/tolerate more noise during the day. Night noise like that must be considered anti social behaviour. I would def report them. My neighbour has mental health probs and so we accept some noise and behaviour (but I have had a word with his carer when its got a bit excessive). We know he can't help it but I would be less tolerant if the noise was due to people just being arseholes. Are there neighbours on their other side?

ISpyPlumPie Sun 29-Sep-13 23:06:28

Sounds horrendous Bops sad Would definitely speak to the landlord - you shouldn't have to put up with that.

BopsX3 Sun 29-Sep-13 23:12:48

Yes they have neighbours on the other side. I explained to all my surrounding neighbours when I moved in about DS1 and his needs and they were all lovely. I didn't get chance to speak to my connecting neighbours though as I never seem to see them. I've seen the 2 teenage girls that live there and occasionally the guy that lives there but never the wife (I presume), but I've only seen them a handful of times.

I'll give my landlord a ring tomorrow.

Definitely complain Bops. Hope the don't keep you up all night.

MaMaPo Sun 29-Sep-13 23:45:20

Zooming in for a quick hello! The mapo family I'd into week 2 of our US road trip. All going well so far - flight was ok and baby has been ok given she's slept in 4 different places so far. Still waking 1-2 times a night but she's on no schedule so I don't mind.

Americans are very lovely with babies! So far we've been in NYC, Boston and Maine and people constantly come over to chat with C or compliment her. Lucky she can't understand, she'd get a big head.

Did I read on FBI that we have some new pregnancies around? Congratulations!

MaMaPo Sun 29-Sep-13 23:47:02

FBI? US autocorrect at work!

PurplePidjin Mon 30-Sep-13 07:16:59

lazza R didn't want it at the time either. But last night he slept 6-6 with a bum change at 10:30 (teething wee, the pongy type!) he was asleep by the time I'd put his nappy in the bucket in the bathroom next to his bedroom. And he wakes up and chats to his toys in his cot every morning. Much better than the 2 hour screamathon at 3 o'clock every morning that we had a month ago! although i miss the 8 o'clock lie ins

PurplePidjin Mon 30-Sep-13 07:18:07

Bops there are laws against noise at night. Noise in the day is fine and expected - report!

FriendofDorothy Mon 30-Sep-13 08:00:49

Does teething make their wee smell stronger?

lazzaroo Mon 30-Sep-13 08:07:31

Morning all. Baby lazza still woke at 2am last night but dh settled her without much fuss. She woke again at 4am so I fed her. Then she was up at 5.45am. God knows what went wrong with dd1 though, she came into our bed at 4.30am & I don't think she went back to sleep! They are ganging up on me!

bops hope you got some sleep. I agree, you should complain. Your situation & theirs is very different.

PurplePidjin Mon 30-Sep-13 09:03:15

Yes, FoD, it's the dribble they swallow. R does the occasional really stinky one that upsets him as much as a poo! Might be more noticeable in cloth?

Morning all. Good night for us last night, only 2 wake ups and one was at 10:30, so doesn't count in my book as I hadn't even gone to bed yet. Up at 7:30 when DP's alarm went off, so we all got half an hour together. Much better than the 4 hour screamathon (2-6) the night before!

J has started picking up things we say grin. Yesterday he said "whaaaat?" I'm the style of an old Irish man from the airport. DP and I keep doing impressions of the man as he was really grumpy at security and then his pants fell down to reveal his grey y-fronts blush Today's word is hola! It's so funny grin

I'm attempting to make him self settle for naps, he's so tired and has nearly been asleep about 10 times then jerks back awake. He's currently pulling himself around the bed like something from the walking dead as he's too tired to lift his head/open his eyes.

Sorry you have twatty neighbours too Bops. Hope you can get somewhere with the landlord.

Ha J's fallen asleep! He raised up onto his knees and then passed out! Falling forward and landed with his head in my lap! I love babies. I'm so jealous of all the new ones on the way. I am ridiculously broody, must remember how awful the first trimester was and how sick I was.

Hope you're having a good time Mamapo. I love people having a good fuss over babies. I've turned into a person who can't walk past one myself.

I'm full of the joys of spring today!

WLmum Mon 30-Sep-13 09:49:13

We had a dreadful night here - was up 2.15 til 4.15. I think she might have had a belly ache as she's had some fearsome nappies over the last 2 days. She gets to have a lovely long nap now while I go to work. Boo!

BopsX3 Mon 30-Sep-13 09:54:46

Hi FoD, how are you doing? ��

Neighbours finally went quiet about 2am. Luckily Oliver and DS2 didnt wake again once they'd got in my bed. I had to wake DS1 though to get him into bed, he's too heavy for me to lift. Just come in from the school/shop run, put Oliver down for his nap and made a brew. Going to ring the landlord in a minute.

I've noticed smelly wee nappies aswell, didnt associate it with teething though, I thought it was just boys as DS1 and 2 have very strong smelling wee aswell.

WLmum Mon 30-Sep-13 10:03:00

willyou that's amazing! We are a long way off speech yet - not even mama or dada here

He's a proper babbler WL. Nothing's in context obviously but he'll suddenly just say "Oh dear" and DP and I will do a double take and grin! Hope you have a good day at work.

DS says dadada all the time but only says mumum mum mum if he wants something (usually a cuddle or boob). It'll be interesting to see when he talks, dd was having proper conversations at 18 months (as was I) but dp didn't talk until he was 4, his mum only realised he could talk when she heard him singing along to the neighbours theme tune grin he has three older brothers though so they spoke for him whilst he grunted!

I've always found teething makes the wee more acidic and can cause sore bottoms

halestone Mon 30-Sep-13 10:25:24

Lazza hope your feeling better today, i think you reach a certain point and you have to try a method that suits you. Sleep deprivation is horrible.

Bop hope things get sorted with your neighbours you shouldn't have to put up with that.

It was H's christening yesterday we had a lovely day surrounded by all the people we love. H and DP looked gorgeous. DP's ex didn't change her mind and DSD wasn't allowed to attend so that put abit of a dampener on it.

I'm just waiting for the HV to come and do H's 9 month assessment and see how much weight she's put on in a month.

What was the reason DP's ex have for that Hales? (Might have missed this while I was away). How sad for DSD to miss her sister's christening. Really she's the one missing out most sad

Stacks Mon 30-Sep-13 11:15:34

Are all babies meant to have a 9m review, or is it different accross health boards?

T started crawling last week, he's still not very confident or fast though. He also doesn't seem to be an adventurer, he basically only ever crawls to me or the cat bowls and still wants to be on his feet all the time. My days now involve putting T down among his toys and walking away, being crawled to, climbed up and screamed at till I walk him back to his toys and hold his hand so he can bend down and play with them while standing!! So frustrating, I just wish he wanted a bit more independence.

Still no teeth here, T has a go at most foods though, soft and hard. He can do really well just gumming at an apple core - he gets a good amount of fruit off without help.

Stacks they do a 12 month review here. Ds has two bottom teeth both came through a week ago.

I tried ds in satsuma after some of you said orange and he really liked it smile

BopsX3 Mon 30-Sep-13 11:36:42

Oliver had a 9 month review at the beginning of September. The next one will be when he goes for his 12 month needles confused

Rang the HA and they're sending a housing officer round on Friday. Hopefully they'll at least maybe give next door a warning or something. I don't want them to get evicted or anything, just an official "keep the noise down past a certain time" will do

halestone Mon 30-Sep-13 12:25:13

Willyou because we refused to tell her how much money DP put towards H. And because she's only H's half sister, and she didn't want us playing happy families, and she's tried banning DSD from seeing me. She must of realised this sounded petty though and the day before the christening put all over FB that DSD wasn't allowed to go as none of DP's family had gone to DSD's. She forgot to mention that they didn't go as she didn't tell them DSD was getting christened.

9 month assessment went well she doesn't have another one till shes 2. The HV was happy with her and said both her height and weight were above the 99th centile so shes not worried about her weight. I think every health authority must be different as she won't be seen again till shes 2.

Spotty H loves satsuma's grin

Stacks H prefers standing and walking around. Its really hard work doing it ALL day hmm

How silly Hales. Obviously I've never been in that situation but part of being a parent is growing up a bit and putting your child first over your petty arguments. I'm sure DSD would've had a great time.

Barbeasty Mon 30-Sep-13 13:09:50

We have a 9-12 month review, then a 24-30 month.

I just looked up from playing with DD, and found A chewing one of the fake coals from the gas fire! He's obsessed with the thing. I had to wipe the residue from inside his mouth with a dishcloth, as well as his face and hands.

Not sure whether it beats the toilet. ...

Nearly time to get out and go to playgroup. I wonder what they'll get up to there.

BopsX3 Mon 30-Sep-13 13:11:40

Hales she's just being ridiculous. My XPs ex was like that. She wouldn't let her DS come to my house to play with my DS (his half brother) as she didn't want DS1s (from a previous relationship) SN to "rub off" on her DS. Bloody ignorant cow she was hmm

Sorry if that's confusing confused my history is pretty complicated grin

lazzaroo Mon 30-Sep-13 14:19:20

stacks glad it's just not baby lazza who keeps heading for the cat food! confused

hales I'm ok. Just dreading bedtime & having to go through it all again. Especially as it didn't make much difference last night. Am hoping (& praying!) that tonight will be quicker. With dd1 it got easy really quickly, by the third night she was self settling with no tears.

Stacks Mon 30-Sep-13 15:20:26

DS tries to latch on to my tummy... Does that mean my boobs are flat or my tummy fat?

Maryland2013 Mon 30-Sep-13 16:13:18

Hales you have my sympathy. It's just such a shame for the kids really. My DSD's mum told her DS isn't her real brother (!!)
Glad you enjoyed the christening!

Bop I hope the warning works. We had terrible neighbours in our old house it can really get you down.

We have a developmental check next week they do them round here between 8 and 12 months.

2blessed Mon 30-Sep-13 16:33:23

stacks R does the same with my belly button, I laugh then he starts laughing. I think its cute.

hales glad H's christening went well.

R slept through until 5am! Whoo! Lazy day today, popped to sainsburys to pick up some bits in the last day of their 25% off clothes event. Stuff for work sad.

utopian99 Mon 30-Sep-13 16:42:28

We don't get a check till 12 months.

O likes to try to latch onto my arm - no idea WHAT that means? hmm

hales your poor DSD. My friend has a step daughter, when she got engaged to her dh the exp (they actually split up before she found out/told him she was pg) told her that now daddy's getting married they will have a baby 'to replace you'! I was utterly shock and so sad for the little one.
Needless to say they did have a baby but have made absolutely sure he is a brother NOT a replacement!

halestone Mon 30-Sep-13 16:43:33

Lazza i have my fingers and toes crossed that tonight is better for you.

Maryland we had that my DD isn't her real sister but her 3 other children are real sisters apparently. She also told DSD when i was pregnant that when the new baby arrived her dad would only love her 1/2 as much as he loved her before. Grrrr she makes me very angry and is the type that uses DSD as a weapon and puts every nasty thought she has about me and H on fb. We ignore it and i think she hates that.

Bop i would be fuming at your ex's ex saying that about your baby but it just shows her ignorancehmm

halestone Mon 30-Sep-13 16:46:38

Utopian we're the same we make sure that DSD is treated equally and try to make sure she always has a good time. I think when shes older she'll realise about her mum and find it strange that we only ever say positive things about her mum, when her mum is saying horrible stuff about us.

BopsX3 Mon 30-Sep-13 18:34:39

Oh I was fuming hales I'm sure you can imagine my reaction! Just shows shows her lack of understanding towards SN and children with SN. Everyone except her clearly knows that SN isn't contagious! Think she was just using it as an excuse to keep her DS away from me.

I have Oliver's hospital appointment tomorrow for his eyes. I'll find out whether or not he's having glasses. He's going to look like the milky bar kid if he does grin bless him!

lazzaroo Mon 30-Sep-13 18:53:13

Here we are again...it's been about 10 minutes, I've been in twice for kiss & cuddle, & the screaming has turned into grumbling, so I guess that's progress! ....And now it's all quiet smile

Forgot to say hales that I'm glad christening went well.

Haven't had any contact about check up. Would like to know how she's doing height/weight wise but I work on clinic day now.

Spoke to my friend about joint party for DD's & we're going for it smile

Hope hospital appointment goes ok bops. 2 of my cousins kids have needed glasses....1 won't keep them on & the other fell over about an hour after getting them & they broke!!

ISpyPlumPie Mon 30-Sep-13 19:47:44

Glad the Christening went well Hales.

Am shock at some of the stories about ex's/step-siblings etc. It's so sad that some people can't be mature enough to put their own feelings aside and the children first. Sounds like you and DP have got it just right though Hales, pity about DSD's mum.

Hope the appointment goes well Bops.

Sounds like progress indeed Lazza smile.

Hi Mama. Trip sounds like it's going really well.

We have a 9-12 month development check here, but the hv told me that as they are so busy with new-born visits atm it is likely to be nearer 12 months before they get to us.

N's babbling is definitely taking on more form now. We've had "mamama" (mainly when he wants boob) for a while. DS1 also gets "gegee" (N-speak for Jacob) fairly consistently. He seems to mimic the sounds of words sometimes too, but not had anything as clear as J yet Willyou - sounds adorable.

DS1 was an early talker (as was I apparently) but I've already noticed that N seems to be more physical/interested in exploring everything. DS1 would sit engrossed in stories at this stage whereas N wants to grab the book and see what it does. I just find it fascinating how different they are, and it will be really interesting to see how both of their characters continue to develop. I reckon I've got a thinker and a do-er (both fab in different ways) but could end up being totally wrong.

PurplePidjin Mon 30-Sep-13 21:36:33

We get Mamam (all adult females) dadad (adult males) ta (thank you) vrrm vrrm (at cars) GAH! (cat) and mumumumum accompanied by biting my clothes hmm for milk. He's discovered his baby gym is great for pushing around on the wood floor - walker is too unstable - so i can leave him be for a while happily mooching between toy piles!

Also high 5, waves, tongue clicking and the thing where you push your lips up and down with your finger and it sounds like wibble...

BopsX3 Mon 30-Sep-13 21:51:45

Aww all this baby talking sounds adorable!

Oliver just says dadadada all day everyday to anyone and anything grin. He also says ninininini when he's hungry.

WLmum Mon 30-Sep-13 22:29:55

Interesting ispy. T is far more physical and 'into everything' at this age than my big 2 were and they were early talkers. Although they weren't the first in our groups to start speaking, they made really fast progress and spoke in complete sentences early. Wonder what T will be like.

We had an 8 month questionnaire then a 2 year check.

Happy christening H sorry the ex is still being an idiot. I'm so saddened by what some people say to their kids.

Sorry but can't remember what else I read!

MaMaPo Mon 30-Sep-13 23:55:18

Also very impressed with chatty babies! C says dadada at everything, but also fffff and vvvvv! She does fffff when I blow in her face and she tries to copy me. She's waving with a closed fist and an open palm, and started pointing this week too. Dear thing is just pointing at everything!

Well, at the m

MaMaPo Mon 30-Sep-13 23:56:17

Also very impressed with chatty babies! C says dadada at everything, but also fffff and vvvvv! She does fffff when I blow in her face and she tries to copy me. She's waving with a closed fist and an open palm, and started pointing this week too. Dear thing is just pointing at everything!

Well, at the moment she's very close to biting me while she feeds - exhausted after a long day in the car. We drove through Maine, New Hampshire, Verm

MaMaPo Mon 30-Sep-13 23:57:32

Well, damn it! Sorry everyone! To finish off...

Vermont and Massachusetts to New York State. My husband has gone out for an emergency nappy run - and to buy wine. A beautiful drive today but long enough!

utopian99 Tue 01-Oct-13 00:53:16

Sounds like a glorious trip mama!

We don't have any words yet, or even a sound I could claim as a word. sad he roars a lot still, and sings to himself and makes an 'interested' noise and so on but no mamama/dadada or anything like it. I wonder if this is because he's been focussing on walking, but now he's sorted that I'd love to be able to communicate better.
He has started waving though - although sometimes it becomes more of a facist salute. Hnmmmm.

2blessed Tue 01-Oct-13 01:35:15

R says dadada and eh when itd just he and I having a chat. We live on the main road and lately when an emergency vehicle goes by, he has to sing along with the siren. Great reading about all these vocal and mobile babies grin

1 wake up so far...

MaMaPo Tue 01-Oct-13 03:36:49

First wake up here too - but only been in bed 2.5 hours. When I came in she was sat up in the very corner. Now wide awake. Given I didn't get any sleep since 4am I feel dead on my feet.

WL and ispy dd was the same as she didn't crawl until a year or walk until almost two she spoke well and generally understood more

Hales glad you had a lovely christening for h sorry about dp's twatty ex.

I just cannot eat breakfast this early all I can manage is coffee.

My baby's one next month shockshockshock

Mama so jealous of your trip! Hope you're all sleeping smile

BopsX3 Tue 01-Oct-13 07:26:50

I had to wake Oliver up this morning. He still sleeps through. I'm was thinking though that it may be because he's not breasted. I've always formula fed my boys and they've all slept well. Although I was told breasted babies are generally more settled.

MaMaPo Tue 01-Oct-13 07:39:03

Bops, I think it's sheer chance. Within a close group of friends who had babies within 2 months of each other, and all of whom were breast fed, there were 2 champion sleepers, one absolutely dreadful one and 2 middling ones. Maybe my baby would sleep better if I shifted to formula but I'm not convinced. Her personality doesn't fit - she doesn't get drowsy, she's curious about everything and seems to have a real FOMO (fear of missing out.).

BopsX3 Tue 01-Oct-13 07:50:03

Ah I see. I've never breasted so I have nothing to compare to really. It was just a thought.

Hope you all start getting better nights soon

PurplePidjin Tue 01-Oct-13 08:26:16


Bops, the "ff babies sleep better" bollocks is a huge reason for bf failure in this country. Your choices are your choices but please don't discourage others by promulgating the myth.

BopsX3 Tue 01-Oct-13 08:32:29

Oh I wasn't trying to discourage anyone. I think breastfeeding great and I would've done it myself if I could've done. I didn't mean to offend anyone. Like I said, i was told breasted babies are generally more settled and I think the bond you get with your baby when you breastfeeding is amazing. It was just a thought I had, that's all, I didn't know if there was any truth to it confused

halestone Tue 01-Oct-13 11:32:58

Sorry guys but i have the most beautiful baby in the whole wide world shes just so squishy and cutegrin

Spotty wow a year already, its scary how quick its gone.

Mama i'm glad your enjoying your trip. grin

Bop i BF for 4.1/2 months and have FF for the others i think its down to the baby too.

Pidj i don't personally think that Bop was helping to spread myths, she was expressing a thought, which she admitted was based on her experience. Thats all we can do as mothers express our opinions based on our experience.

Maryland2013 Tue 01-Oct-13 12:54:37

I just thought that Bop was discussing her own experience. Which, incidentally is the same as mine. DS is FF after switching from BF and as soon as we switched he was more settled and slept better.
That doesn't mean I discourage BF. As mothers we are entitled to feed out babies as we wish.

Mama your trip sounds ace. I'd love to so a USA road trip. Trying to convince DH we could do it next year (!)

PurplePidjin Tue 01-Oct-13 14:25:47

As a bfing mum - and especially now an extended bfing mum - i have to keep my mouth shut about the benefits of bfing in case i offend a ffing mum. Perhaps that should work two ways?

Woo hoo I'm home so busy at work today. Have to leave in half an hour to get dd from nursery though, who called to say she has a low temp but is fine confused picking her up normal time though...

Ds is teething again and so far today has slept for three hours and 45 minutes! I've got him a teething necklace now so will let you all know what happens (I'm definitely a sceptic!)

itsMYNutella Tue 01-Oct-13 14:58:29

I can understand what you mean pidj even My Mum's first idea to solve T's sleeping habits was to give him a bottle. But then he was supposed to start sleeping better when he started solids (he eats everything and lots of it most days). When that didn't work he was supposed to sleep better once he got moving... He isn't walking yet but he wiggles and crawls and pulls up like he is the energiser baby! grin Each baby is different (sob! I'm going to do my best to make a sleepy one next time). There are so many "myths" when it comes to babies I don't think it'll ever be possible to stop. It would be like getting rid of stereotypes - all the Beer drinking sausage eating Germans would have to disappear grin somewhere with their cycling, garlic & beret wearing French friends.

T has always been chatty. He doesn't have any real words but does "mumumumum" a lot and if you say to him "where's papa?" He does go and look for DP grin. He also does lots of noises when he is thinking and examining something. Right now a remote control is being bashed and he is saying "tuh tuh duh duh uh" to it... No idea why.
We also get waving, clapping and sometimes he just sticks his arm in the air with his middle finger sort of pointing at you and he loves it if you then tickle his hand.

Nutella are you bringing him up bilingual?

itsMYNutella Tue 01-Oct-13 15:10:14

spotty yes, although English will probably be our predominant language at home because I'm lazy. I'm also hoping to send him often to Grandma and Grand-père for a bit of time off French in the holidays one day.

Such a good idea. If I spoke a second language I would do it too (I can survive in French but only just!)

halestone Tue 01-Oct-13 15:22:39

I would love for DD to be bilingual i think its such an advantage in later lifegrin

I have just been the dentist i have the all clear for 6 months. But she did hurt me when checking my gums. I am such a wimp!

Hales I HATE the dentist!

halestone Tue 01-Oct-13 15:46:43

I remember you saying that Spotty. I always take my nan or grandad with me haha.

Stacks Tue 01-Oct-13 15:52:00

I think T may be dropping to one nap a day sad

avoids bf/ff discussion, it's like talking politics or religion at a dinner party

lazzaroo Tue 01-Oct-13 15:53:18

Bloody he'll. We've been waiting since seeing a consultant in June for an appointment for a sleep study for dd1. Phoned today as figured 3 months was more than enough tine to have waited without hassling.....they don't know where the referral has gone. It hasn't arrived so have to put a new urgent one in angry

lazzaroo Tue 01-Oct-13 15:55:00

Oh, and baby lazza was up from 1-2.30am last night! I just think I don't make very sleepy babies!

My god stacks, 1 nap already! Hope it's a long one wink

Maryland2013 Tue 01-Oct-13 15:55:54

Pidj no one has t

Maryland2013 Tue 01-Oct-13 15:56:11

Pidj no one has t

Maryland2013 Tue 01-Oct-13 15:57:41

Aargh bloody phone. (Fat fingers)

Pidj no one has to keep their mouths shut!
Everyone is entitled to their opinions because everyone does things differently and as they choose to. I get a lot

Maryland2013 Tue 01-Oct-13 16:03:51

Aargh bloody phone. (Fat fingers)

Pidj no one has to keep their mouths shut!
Everyone is entitled to their opinions because everyone does things differently and as they choose to. I get a lot of people looking down their noses at me for FF and I hate it! My DS is happy and healthy and that's all that matters for me really. I don't think anyone should feel pressured to do one thing or the other- whether it's someone telling you to put rusks in bottles or give bottles to help sleep or BF because that's what you're advised to. We can all make our own decisions! We're all intelligent enough to do so..

I agree with Nutella there's so many myths! So we're all doing something "wrong" if we listened to them all!

I have the dentist too next week- we're all getting I. There while it's still free?!! I'm dreading it I've not been for about 4/5 years, eek!

DS says hiya dadda and dad da da da and squeals at the cat trying to miaow at him. Cat legs it...

Lazza I bet you're furious?!

itsMYNutella Tue 01-Oct-13 16:15:59

Maryland you made a good point there (eventually wink) about whatever we do, according to some bod somewhere it is bound to be "wrong"!

Spotty I did pretty well in Spanish and French at school useless when you then learn German but what's really annoying now is I can follow the gist of something simple in French but when I try to answer my brain looks in the "foreign language box" in my head and I try to answer them in German confusedmy poor frazzled brain!

DS just bit my arm. I of course said "Owww" and he squealed back "EEEeee" great - he thinks its hilarious when I say ow hmm
I better go and stop him playing with the plant pots...

lazzaroo Tue 01-Oct-13 16:48:29

Yes Maryland, I am. I remember asking the consultant how long it might take & she wouldn't say so I wasn't expecting it to be quick but didn't know how long to wait before chasing. Glad I phoned now! She has enlarged tonsils & instead of whipping them out, like they would have done 10 years ago, she's seen the ENT consultant & now has to have this sleep study.

BopsX3 Tue 01-Oct-13 17:59:24

Pidj - I'm sorry, I really didn't mean to offend anyone or for it to sound like I was spreading myths or anything like that. I was trying to ask a question more than make a statement but I obviously worded it totally wrong confused I think there's pros and cons to both ff and bf and people do what's best for them.

Lazza that's terrible about them losing your referral. Have they said how long it'll take for the new urgent one?

I have the dentist tomorrow confused I hate it too!

Oliver's hospital appointment went really well smile we don't have to go back for another 6 months now. They're keeping an eye on the turn in his eye (no pun intended grin) as it runs through his fathers side of the family so he's at risk of it getting worse. But apart from that he's doing well and making progress. They had to put drops in his eyes though which stung sad my poor little man screamed the place down and refused to open his eyes for the next 10 mins

Oh bops poor ds. I have to have drops to enlarge my iris when they do the diabetic retinopathy test and they really do sting sad

Lazza that's so annoying, at least an urgent one should be two weeks or so?

Ds gives the best cuddles grin he nuzzles right into your neck with one arm right around it grin

BopsX3 Tue 01-Oct-13 18:23:12

That's what it was I think spotty. They were to enlarge his pupils so they could see right to the back of his eyes

lazzaroo Tue 01-Oct-13 18:27:48

Glad appointment went well bops, was just thinking about that.

Re: out appt, They said to get back in touch if I haven't heard anything by the end of the month.

lazzaroo Tue 01-Oct-13 18:28:19

Sorry, our not out!

That's exactly it bops, poor baby sad

halestone Tue 01-Oct-13 19:23:53

Awww poor DS Bop but glad he's sorted now. Good luck at the dentist tomorrow.

Lazza i hope you get the appointment soon.

Nutella is your DP German then?

In case anyone hasn't seen this product recall daily fail link...

WLmum Tue 01-Oct-13 21:28:23

Fwiw bops I didn't think there was anything wrong with your post/question. Theres nothing wrong with asking a question. I'm passionate about bfing and would have chosen to do it even it were definitely the case that ff babies sleep better (glutton or fool??!), but I also don't think there's anything wrong with ff. we all have to do what works for us.
pidj I respect your passion for bfing.

Poor baby bops that sounds awful!
spotty hope dd is ok
Just discovered that dd1 has got 2 veruccas. She is just a virus magnet.
nutella being bilingual will be awesome!

itsMYNutella Tue 01-Oct-13 21:36:40

Hales yes DP is German. I met him almost 4 years ago in New Zealand. We were both on holiday. That's why we've decided to set our wedding date as 2nd Nov. We met Oct 31st and first kissed on the 1st and the 2nd is the closest Saturday. smile He is wonderful.

Spotty when DS screams for no reason (ok, there probably is a reason but not one we know about) we often say we are just poking him in the eye grin
Urgh, he was super painful this afternoon. He followed me around shouting and moaning! I hope it is teeth or his cold and that he gets over it soon! It really made my head hurt!!

DP made me watch iron man 3. The things you do for love hmm

ISpyPlumPie Tue 01-Oct-13 22:00:18

Glad the appointment went well Bops and hope yours is sorted soon Lazza.

How's DD Spotty?

Back to work tomorrow sad

WLmum Tue 01-Oct-13 22:40:36

Awww nutella that's so lovely. DH and I have been together for 17 years (married 12). We don't have much time for each other at the moment but on the whole we rub along nicely. I'm really hoping that next year money won't be so tight and T might go to bed without a boob so DH and I might be able to get the odd weekend away together. Our lives are so hectic it's nice to be able to just 'be' together.

WLmum Tue 01-Oct-13 22:42:02

Oh no ispy! Is ds going to nursery? Fx the days goes quickly and then you get loads of cuddles from your boys.

halestone Tue 01-Oct-13 23:14:56

Ispy i hope your 1st day back goes well.

Well getting H to sleep tonight was a struggle. She learnt how to blow raspberries on my belly weekend so she does it all the time now. She did it tonight but got bored so crawled up my chest put her head against mine said awww and put her arms around my neck and then kept kissing me. It was super cutegrin

2blessed Tue 01-Oct-13 23:57:37

oh hales that sounds like a lovely end to the day.

Busy day today. Defrosted freezer, shopping delivery, meeting at nursery and then onto playgroup all by 11.30. Tonight I am knackered and feeling unappreciated again... Hey ho!

Barbeasty Wed 02-Oct-13 06:15:38

Good luck for today, ISpy.

I'm heading straight to site today, so I managed to sneak in a half hour lie in. Just sleeping until 5.30 makes such a difference.

Good luck ispy!

Dd seems fine I just think she's wiped out. Hopefully half term will help her out

WLmum Wed 02-Oct-13 09:47:46

I would like to award myself the gross trophy. After a maggot on the counter last week, this morning dd1 says 'mummy, Tabs has got something that looks weird'. She was sitting on the kitchen floor playing with a slug!! So gross! I can only assume it came in on the pram wheel. Washed her hands (twice), threw slugsy out, bleached the floor then noticed the slug juice on the foot if her baby grow - cue another retch.
And my Hoover is broken and new one won't be ready for collection until tomorrow.
Yuk yuk yuk!

hales that sounds super cute. Bless her.

itsMYNutella Wed 02-Oct-13 10:12:54

WL that is gross! Ewwww. But it has reminded me of a story about my nephew. My mum loves her coffee and grinds up beans most mornings. She keeps the leftover grinds in a jam jar with a lack plastic coffee spoon. My nephew saw this jar once and asked "grandma, have you got a pet slug?" grin Sorry If I've told it before.

ispy have a good first day at work!

hales DS likes to smother me in kisses. Yesterday I was lying on the floor being an obstacle course for him - obviously- and after elbowing me in the stomach a lot he launched himself at my face and have me lots of lovely open mouth dribbly kisses hmm then he started trying to bite my lip!

halestone Wed 02-Oct-13 10:26:28

WL ewww babies really will play with anything.

Nutella yeah the kissing turned into biting. I'm not sure how to stop the biting if i say stop or no she smiles and bites me againhmm Any suggestions on how to stop will be gratefully received.

Spotty glad your DD is better.

Beasty yay for abit of a sleep in.

halestone Wed 02-Oct-13 10:27:39

2blessed i hope you have a nicer day today. Could you hint at DP to take you out for a meal so that you can feel abit more appreciated.

Hales biting is a stage they all go through unfortunately. DD sometimes still does it now. All you can do, in my experience, is to remove them (ie put them down) and try to offer something they can bite! I hate biting!

Yuck WL! My friend's dd actually ate a slug when she was two. Her childminder saw it in her mouth but it was too late she had swallowed it!

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Wed 02-Oct-13 11:35:48

Ha my mums friend's daughter sucked a slug dry while they were sat in the garden. My mum was nearly sick!

We've been up since 5, not sure why. He was just ready for a play I think. We've been to swimtots and he's now zonked out. I'm exhausted and starving as he ate half my weetabix this morning. He ate all of his porridge and then was hanging off my breakfast bowl like a leech!

Baby bubble and rhyme this afternoon, it's all go go go.

PurplePidjin Wed 02-Oct-13 11:55:43

I have to be passionate about breastfeeding. I have no choice, i can't afford formula. If i didn't breastfeed, R would starve.

BopsX3 Wed 02-Oct-13 12:24:07

Eeewww all these slug stories are gross! Kids do some disgusting things sometimes grin

DS1 decided to go on my eBay account yesterday when he was playing on my phone and ordered £25 worth of grand theft auto 5 posters shock he's a nuisance! I think he thought he was buying the game. I've already told him he can't have it so he must've decided to take it upon himself to order it grin. Luckily he hadn't paid for it so I've managed to cancel the order. Phew!

itsMYNutella Wed 02-Oct-13 13:37:24

willyou that is so disgusting! and it also made me LOL in the street.
Ew ew ew GROSS!

lazzaroo Wed 02-Oct-13 14:41:46

Help! Baby lazza's 'dribble rash' is back with a vengeance. The cream the dr gave us cleared it up before but it's really red again today and she keeps scratching at it & making herself bleed. It's red & sore all under her chin, neck and top of her chest. What can I put on it for instant relief?

Love all the stories....apart from the slug ones! Baby lazza is super cuddly too & gives good hugs. Especially when I get in from work. It's lovely smile

utopian99 Wed 02-Oct-13 15:09:39

Talking of biting, O bit me really hard while feeding last night. I managed to train him out of it when the first two teeth came through so not sure why it's starting again or what to do as it hurt so much I practically starred crying.
Am also wondering if feeding will prevent our chances of conceiving the next one as ideally we'd like it asap. Can I really nosily ask those of you pg already how often or if you are still bf? He only feeds about 5 times in 24 hours these days..

utopian99 Wed 02-Oct-13 15:11:27

lazza we've found sudocream works wonders..

Utopian have you got your periods back yet? I got mine back a month after ds started sleeping through.

Lazza have you got any of the cream left from the dr?

BopsX3 Wed 02-Oct-13 15:55:08

Just made a complete twat of myself at the dentist hmm when he's finished with my teeth I tried to rinse my mouth out but because my face was numb on one side I ended up dribbling all down chin. Then I tried to walk out of there with the protective glasses on. He asked me if I'd forgotten anything so I patted my pockets and said no, then he reminded me I still had the glasses on. Then booking my next appointment I couldn't talk properly so sounded like Oliver babbling away grin I am the worlds biggest fool!

BopsX3 Wed 02-Oct-13 15:56:01

Lazza I second sudocrem. It works miracles smile

lazzaroo Wed 02-Oct-13 17:16:22

Thanks, we've been using sudocrem & E45 so will keep going! Yes spotty but I wasn't sure it was okay to use it again. Do you think it'd be okay?

utopian99 Wed 02-Oct-13 17:34:44

No periods yet spotty. (Never thought I'd actually WANT one!) O is still not sleeping through, but will happily choose to go for 5 hours without milk even during the day, in favour of solids and water to drink.

Lazza I would just don't use it for more than five days or so.

Utopian I always heard they're more likely to return once they're sleeping through. Milk production is at is highest between 2 and 6am.

Barbeasty Wed 02-Oct-13 18:06:50

After DD my af didn't start until about 6hrs after we started ttc, and DD didn't sleep through until I was about 4 months pregnant with DS. I was still breastfeeding on demand when I got pregnant, though not much at night.

Exhausted after walking miles at work today, then making mincemeat and starting to make quince& apple sauce (which might be frozen in a minute, rather than bottled as I've hit exhaustion point!)

And now DH will be late back so bed time to be done on my own.

Ds Is so grumpy with his teeth he's not sleeping and dp has buggered off to football to leave me to get both dc to bed. Dd's been awful lately anyway and ds just keeps waking up crying sad

Change of plan dp just phoned to say his accelerator cable snapped [snigger] so he's meeting his boss to try and fix it then he will be home grin

utopian99 Wed 02-Oct-13 20:04:18

Bwa hahaja for your dp spotty!

Was talking my mum about bf vs biting vs sleeping. She said in her day they had q bottle with a bag inside that collapsed as you drink so more like bf, anyone heard of something similar?

O is so cute with dh now; he has developed a 'chase me' game he plays with dh when he gets home, involving proper giggling fits. I. Shall be reading your slug stories to dh later. He has a proper phobia of them. grin

Utopian is your dh 'fun time daddy'? Dp is and always was with dd too. As soon as they see him it's suddenly play time to them!

utopian99 Wed 02-Oct-13 20:15:34

Pretty much! Recently he's been putting a lot of time into become 'cuddles daddy' as well, so he can help at nights now milk is less of an essential; they'be spent a lot of time slinging together (I got him an r&r finally). It's pretty sweet how happy he is about it actually. smile

halestone Wed 02-Oct-13 21:18:30

Talking of slugs i've just gone to put a dirty nappy in the bin outside and stood on one barefoot eeeeee i want to vomit!

lazzaroo Wed 02-Oct-13 21:18:55

Thanks spotty, I'll give it a go.

Definite Funtime daddy in this house. He is particularly good at winding DD up before bed! I guess it's even more so because he's away for days at a time.

Never heard of that kind of bottle utopian.

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Wed 02-Oct-13 21:43:26

I looked into that kind of bottle Utopian when DS had his tongue tie and couldn't latch. I'll trawl my threads and get back with a name.

Ugh Hales our patio is infested with them. In the week before I went away I stepped on 5 slugs or one hardy slug 5 times. That's when I started bringing in the tumble drying in shoes!

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Wed 02-Oct-13 21:52:38

I can't find the thread utopian, sorry

WLmum Wed 02-Oct-13 22:48:30

Yuk hales! I am so glad I'm not the only one with a slug tainted child though!

utopian if you read DH the slug stories he may never put ds down again!

Fx we all get some good sleep tonight.

WLmum Wed 02-Oct-13 22:50:10

Loving the name willyou. We foolishly agreed to let dd1 have a little Halloween party this year. It'll be a bit if a pita but cute though.

ISpyPlumPie Wed 02-Oct-13 23:03:43

Thanks for all the good wishes. First day back was fine - really nice to catch up with everyone properly and had just the right amount to do so I felt useful without it being too hectic.

DH's refusal to take more than two consecutive days' annual leave this year has had the unexpected bonus of leaving him with enough holidays to look after N one day a week for a month, and it worked out brilliantly today. He apparently didn't get upset at all and settled perfectly well without milk. Luckily he did want a big feed as soon as I got home though, as it felt like my boobs were going to explode!

Utopian - I was still bf on demand when I got pg, but as DS1 was 2 it was at a much reduced rate (although we never did manage to fully nightwean until he stopped altoghether). My periods came back at about 14 months iirc so I'd had them for a year beforehand - only took 2 months ttc compared to 8 first time round though. Will keep fx it all works out for you.

Slugs have a habit of congregating near our doorstep in the rain too so I've had the odd squelch underfoot when putting something in the bin - Hales I feel your pain!

utopian99 Thu 03-Oct-13 02:19:04

Thanks ispy and beasty, good to know. (Not about the slugs!) Also loving the name willyou; so the bottle does still exist if I can only find that thread?

Dh suitably horrified by slug-sucking stories and urgh hales!. He may be having nightmares tonight! Bwa haaaaa...

WLmum Thu 03-Oct-13 02:22:12

Right that's it. Hardcore cc coming Ts way. I've been up for 2 hours again. She's had cuddles/milk/neurofen/milk/cuddles/patting etc. for the first time with her I felt really cross and now can't sleep as I feel really wound up.
I keep hoping a gentle push will be enough and then making excuse. She didn't eat much today so probably was hungry but its going to have to be tough. I need sleep.
Rant over!

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 03-Oct-13 04:12:42

Utopian I think I'm thinking if something slightly different that you use at the beginning to stimulate supply and stop nipple confusion, I had a quick google and couldn't see the bottle your mum means.

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 03-Oct-13 04:15:05

Ugh I hate the two hour wake ups WL, sometimes you have to do what you have to do.

J's back to 2 night feeds at the minute but I'm going to wait until this huge molar is through before deciding what, if anything, to do.

halestone Thu 03-Oct-13 04:34:00

WL i hope your ok. I find that i get stressed more easily if she doesn't settle of a night i think thats because i'm the most tired. I think you should have a cake day today.

Willyou i also love the name grin i hops J's tooth comes through quickly but these Molars seem to take an age i spotted H's it feels like 2 weeks ago yet there still no closer to being here.

Ispy glad you had a nice 1st day back grin

Beasty i hope bedtime went ok.

Utopian hope you enjoyed tormenting DP

Bop sounds like a fun dental experience.

Spotty i hope your DP's car gets fixed soon, but i'm secretly chuft with you grin

I know this has been asked before but can they have cows milk as a drink yet?

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 03-Oct-13 04:40:55

Not yet Hales, 12 months.

I know what you mean about the molars. He's been screaming and grabbing his ear for a week and a half and there's now a small bump on his gum, that's it! Teething poos started again today though so fingers crossed for some movement.

halestone Thu 03-Oct-13 04:44:08

Heidi has the red cheeks and is sleeping better these will be teeth 10-11 though that i can see so i don't think the poor thing has stopped teething since her 1st ones come through in May. I know its bad at the moment as today she actually sat down and had her calpol with no fuss. I mean actually just swallowed it from the syringe with no crying/screaming or squirming i was shocked.

Molars are the worst ds only has the bottom two but I think he has more coming.

I've never heard of that bottle utopian. I do know people who've got pregnant before periods returned but also people who had to stop bf completely I think it all depends on the person.

Dd wet the bed again last night. She's just so under the weather at the moment, so tired all the time, feverish every one and then, coughs, colds sad hopefully half term will help.

WL poor you I hope the cc works quickly for you.

Ispy glad you had a good first day back smile

Ds has a temp sad 38.3, teeth? Or something else? I've always been told teething causes a temp but not a fever, fever being over 38.5. But as a family we have quite low body temps of about 36.6...

I've got to have a blood test today as my thyroid was borderline last time. Same thing happened after dd think it's a pregnancy thing.

lazzaroo Thu 03-Oct-13 06:45:31

WL I know exactly how you feel. I've reached that point several times but this week was breaking point, as you may have read. Anyway it's been 4 nights. Last night baby lazza got herself to sleep in 2 minutes & then slept till 4am. I fed her & she went back down till 6am. I hope it wasn't a one off! Either way, you have to do what is needed for everyone.

Hope DS is ok spotty. when baby lazza had roseola a while back her temp hit 39 & dr told me that while teething can cause temp it's unusual for it to go that high. She had a high temp for 3 days & then rash came out (hence it's called 3 day fever).

WLmum Thu 03-Oct-13 07:08:24

I did think of you lazza! She was having a quick settle at 2ish then a feed at 4 and up at 6/6.30. Not great but I could handle it. This week it all seems to have gone very wrong. I know her teeth are probably a factor but can't be that much of an issue as she's fine all day.
She's all happy and perky today and I feel absolutely dreadful.
I'm going to try and catch a nap this morning when she's napping and dd2 is at preschool then write off tonight. No feeds, no pick ups and probably lots of crying. She got hysterical when I left her for about 30 seconds last night.

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 03-Oct-13 08:25:30

Help! Jamie wants to play but I'm so so tired. We were up 4-7, then DP got up and I had half an hour. I cannot function on 4 hours sleep any more. I should've had a baby at 19, I could manage on 2 hours then post clubbing grin

Go out WillYou. Have coffee and cake and home for a nap!

utopian99 Thu 03-Oct-13 09:12:40

Sorry for bad nights WL, whenever we have a night bad enough for me to start muttering about cc it turns out to be illness or teeth and he's much better the next night so maybe T will be better tonight? Def a cake day first though.

What about the babisil Silbottle? (Can't make a link work for some reason on my phone but they sell on amazon)

itsMYNutella Thu 03-Oct-13 09:15:00

Morning ladies.

ispy I'm glad your first day back went well! I'm starting to think I'd quite like to have a job to go back to but being a freelance teacher is not going to work hmm or I'm just too disorganised to plan lessons and drop DS at a childminder if I can find one that would take a baby under 1 yr old
Oh well perhaps I'll set up an English childminding business, that'll work with pugs qualifications right??hmm

WL I am much too wimpy to go hardcore on DS... He'll just have to bf forever grin
He wakes up and cries at about midnight but will settle back to sleep with a cuddle. Then he wakes around 2 and again around 5 and he normally gets 1 boob at each wake up.... I want to try offering him water or just try cuddling him back to sleep but then when my boobs are really full I change my mindconfused

DS does do daytime naps without boob now though. Hurrah!

Lazza fx baby lazza keeps up the good sleeps for you!

I was going to write more but I'm being clawed by my miniature hooligan and I need a shower.

WLmum Thu 03-Oct-13 09:43:30

Feeling your pain willyou. I've decided to eat chocolate, drink tea and tidy up (test out my new Hoover!!) instead of nap. I think trying to nap and ignore all the mess will stress me out more.
Right kitkat chunky didn't touch the sides, what's next??

WLmum Thu 03-Oct-13 11:26:24

New Hoover is awesome (how sad am i?)but I've spotted so many bits that need cleaning or sorting. Oh well, not going to happen today.

utopian99 Thu 03-Oct-13 11:29:32

Ooh ooh - muffin? Slab of green and blacks?

nutella snap on your lo sleep patterns!

Can I find out other people's daytime naps? We used to be three v regular ones, but more and more he's having one late morning and one late afternoon instead.

Maryland2013 Thu 03-Oct-13 11:43:01

Hales my HV told me the other day that DS can have cows milk as a drink now- with meals etc he just can't have it as his main milk..

WL we have a baby dyson- a handheld one. It's one of my favourite things we've ever bought. I need to get out more..

Utopian we normally have 1 naps a day, one short (up to an hour) one long (up to 2 hours).

Ds goes down two hours after wake up, say 8am ish, and sleeps 90mins to two hours. Then has another sleep two hours later and sleeps the same again. If he's really tired he will have a short 3:30 nap too

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 03-Oct-13 12:06:17

Maltesers are always the answer WL.#

DS has been on 2 naps for about 3 months now Nutella but he sleeps late in a morning (8ish, don't hate me, see earlier post). SO he'll sleep 10:30-11:30/12 and then 2:30/3:00-4:30/5:00. He averages about 3.5 hours nap a day. Recently he's started dropping one or other, e.g. yesterday he only slept 1-3. That was a loooooong morning grin.

Ooh we have a ball dyson, bought last year. At first it was awesome but it's all ready starting to lose suction. I really want a handheld one as DS won't let me use the big one. He screams blue murder and tries to punch the hoover!

What's with the slug infestation in Wigan and surrounding areas?

halestone Thu 03-Oct-13 12:08:29

Thank you Willyou and Maryland. grin

Utopian H has a nap 2 hours after she wakes up and then she has a second one around 4pm. Tbh they vary in length and she sometimes has another one around 7:30pm. I get all excited thinking shes asleep for the night but it always a trick and then shes up till 11pm instead of her normal 10:30pm.

lazzaroo Thu 03-Oct-13 12:18:25

It seems the trade off for a half decent nights sleep is day naps going to crap! confused

utopian our naps are usually 2 hours after first wake up, then 2-3 hours after that. To be honest, most days we have 3 x 40min sleeps. I have a very distant memory of her sleeping for 1 hour and half, but she seems to have forgotten how to do that.

Today she was really unsettled at her 8am nap, only had about 10mins. Woke really grumpy after her 10.30 nap so I got her back to sleep & let her sleep on me. Haven't done that for ages but it was lovely smile. I thought about everything else I should be doing & then thought 'sod it' smile

Barbeasty Thu 03-Oct-13 12:38:44

WillYou have you cleaned the filters? Makes a huge difference.

But our Dyson broke (again) last month, so I've replaced it with a miele and I love that.

But the best thing is how much use both DC have had of the box. It's still just about hanging on, taking up masses of space! It's been a dragon cave, witch's house, climbing frame and walker. Only point it wasn't liked was when A got stuck inside it, in the dark!

WLmum Thu 03-Oct-13 13:20:37

willyou maltesers are the reason T was 9.9 at birth!!!

halestone Thu 03-Oct-13 13:31:31

I love Lindt balls and also Reece's peanut butter cups grin infact DP can get me some later haha.

halestone Thu 03-Oct-13 15:51:14

I've had so many baby related injuries today headbutt to the eye. Scratched my neck and chest apart loads of bites and a refusal to sleep equals a grumpy H and a grumpy me! Oh and i forgot the opened palm slaps she seems to have learnt!!

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 03-Oct-13 16:02:21

I was just coming on to report my BRI Hales. The little bit me in ASDA! I was less than impressed and have teeth marks in my arm.

He also fell whilst cruising today and bounced off our padded leather bed frame. I thought he was fine but then spat out a load of blood confused. Then walking round Aldi later he suddenly just had a chin full of blood again. I think he'd bitten his lip then messed with it in Aldi and made it bleed again. I felt like a right scumbag mum shopping while her baby quietly bleeds in the trolley!

PurplePidjin Thu 03-Oct-13 17:52:03

R is shifting his naps again but currently 9 ish and 1:30 ish for 45-60 minutes each. We're pretty flexible in the day though so it depends what we're doing and how we're getting there iyswim.

itsMYNutella Thu 03-Oct-13 18:19:59

Our naps are: first nap within two hours of getting up (which is 7- 7:30 ish) so nap is 9/9:30 ish and he sleeps 30-40 mins. Lunchtime nap is normally straight after eating and normally outside in the buggy. I find that at home it is a 40 minute nap but in the buggy it can easily be up to 1hr 20 mins - very long nap for us. Then often at about 4pm he needs another snooze for about 30 mins depending on how the other naps have gone.

Utopian a friend of mine whose DS will be 1 next month is also in exactly
the same sleeping pattern... Weird...

itsMYNutella Thu 03-Oct-13 18:20:39

I mean with the night time wakings. He used to sleep through from about 8 pm to 7 am.

Argh it feels like ds has been crying alllll day. I know he's teething and grumpy but it's really grating on me. I've told him to shut up a few times blush

WLmum Thu 03-Oct-13 19:15:26

T has been lovely all day (sorry spotty) which makes me not want to beast her tonight but I know after another 2 hour wrangling I'll be desperate. I think it proves my theory that although she might have a bit of teething going on, it's not generally a problem so night shenanigans are as much 'want' as 'need' iukwim.

Barbeasty Thu 03-Oct-13 19:16:33

Well, I've just put DD to bed and I'm about to go and pick up my chinese. Don't worry, DH came home from work an hour early because he feels so ill. So I'm not leaving her home alone!

Got to take wide awake DS with me though.

Ooo yum we're having Chinese tomorrow because I'm going to forget to get the chicken out the freezer....plus I'm running out of Tupperware grin

Both dc in bed asleep without a fuss! Not sure how long it'll last

WLmum Thu 03-Oct-13 19:49:44

Way to go spotty
I'm meeting my old boss for lunch tomorrow, its just a social catch up but she knows I'm after a job!
spotty your fears about your job have all disappeared? Have you settled in now?

Not really sad it's pretty hard going. People who've been there years still say they don't know everything and they still feel new. Some of the doctors are horrible too. I spend most of my time worrying I'm going to make a mistake and get in trouble. Hope your ex boss has something to offer you smile

utopian99 Thu 03-Oct-13 20:35:04

Good luck WL, sorry for the way things are at work*spotty*.
Up to Manchester tomorrow for family stuff of dh's but also seeing friends- will be packed but fun I hope. Trying to meet up with some of the guys from my bastard ex employer. They all got rather done over by one of the directors after I left so there's a bit of a 'wartime' solidarity between us all, plus one of the guys has just had a new dc2, and one'a wife is due literally any day now.
Also hoping to catch old nct people- could be a weekend of reunions!

Barbeasty Thu 03-Oct-13 20:52:47

Sounds good Utopian.

Good luck WL. Hopefully she'll have something for you.
I hope it gets better Spotty, and Chinese is the way to go. A is so clingy, even putting him down makes him cry, I really couldn't face cooking.

I'm just trying to work up the energy to go to bed!

Maryland2013 Thu 03-Oct-13 21:01:12

DS head butted me at the weekend and split my lip. It bloody hurt!

Hales if you like Reece's cups do you like Reece's pieces or peanut butter m&ms? Amazing. Our little local Tesco has just started selling them but £1 a bag!!!

Whereabouts in Manchester are you off to Utopian?

WLmum Thu 03-Oct-13 22:22:33

Not sure I can do any cc tonight having just watched the news about serious case reviews of ss etc failing to protect vulnerable children. I just want to cuddle all mine and never let go.

halestone Thu 03-Oct-13 22:27:18

Maryland i love all things Reeces my dad went to Norwich in August to spend a week with my sister and brought me a bag of loads of different reece's stuff. I loved them all haha.

Utopian hope you have a lovely time in Manchestergrin

Spotty enjoy your chinese tomorrow and i hope you enjoyed yours tonight Beasty.

WL good luck tonight.

DP is in my good books i text to say i was struggling today and that H was pretty much fighting me and her sleep. I forgot to mention i wanted chocolate. He showed up as i got H to sleep with a bounty trio bargrin and then he cuddled up to me and told me how much he loved me awwww.

halestone Thu 03-Oct-13 22:29:02

WL i saw that and i agree it makes me want to cuddle H close and make sure she knows she's loved. How sad that some children well infact that anyone can be put through that.hmm

PurplePidjin Thu 03-Oct-13 23:17:41

WL i feel like that after work (youth club) sometimes. I just want to shake the parents and shout What The Fuck Do You Think You're Doing!!!!! Right in their faces blush

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Fri 04-Oct-13 02:54:23

smile Aw welcome to the softies club everyone. I've come to the conclusion I'll draw the line just before I end up one of those ineffectual mothers who sits and watches as their "spirited" little darlings do exactly what they want verruca salt wink I've not seen the news tonight and have avoided all the threads as they have "upsetting content" warnings on and I don't want to get upset before bed. I'm a terrible stewer.

We're up screaming in pain again. If it doesn't come through soon, I'll be forced to go in and fetch it out myself.

utopian99 Fri 04-Oct-13 03:18:46

South Manchester Maryland, with a smattering of Cheshire..

Yay for your dp hales! and chocolate

Know what you all mean about the ss news. What really upsets me is what a small child muwst be thinking, when the person they most helplessly love/trust by behaves like that.

Hope not tmi but I have a white dot on the nipple where O bit me, and it still really hurts to feed on that side. Anyiideas what I can do or what it is? Am still alternating sides in case it's a block but it won't go away. spotty - you are the queen of all boob problem sorting? Anyone? I can't just stop on one side!

utopian99 Fri 04-Oct-13 03:19:44

Oh and crossing everything for a speedy tooth eviction wilyou..

Ds just bit me!! It resulted in a very loud 'oh fuck' from me blush

Utopian look up milk bleb/blister on kellymom. Is it raised? You really need to pop it. If it's flat you need to try and peel the skin off.

We've over slept by 20 minutes luckily we always get up in plenty of time!

WLmum Fri 04-Oct-13 09:50:39

Phew, luckily no beasting required - she slept til 4.45, feed til 5 then slept til 6.15. That'll do me!
I'm feeling particularly sensitive today as dd1s bestest friends mum called me last night to say she's changing schools. Dd1 will be devastated. It's not a surprise as we've both been on the waitlist for a school that's closer to us and much better than the one they currently attend. Dd1 is a sensitive soul and doesn't make friends easily so this could be a tricky time coming up.

WLmum Fri 04-Oct-13 11:31:27

Old boss has cancelled lunch today. Not having such a good day.

Barbeasty Fri 04-Oct-13 12:56:28

WL fingers crossed for a better afternoon. Does this move your DD1 up the waiting list?

Oh no WL sad sorry for bad day and your dd. yay for good sleep though smile

I've been at work since right, just tried to feed ds, he had a few sucks and decided he didn't want anymore! I think he could be self weaning??

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Fri 04-Oct-13 15:26:01

DS is weaning himself off formula Spotty, he's now dropped all daytime bottles and just has 3 at night hmm

Hope your day improves WL thanks

WLmum Fri 04-Oct-13 15:26:54

beasty theoretically yes but so so annoyingly, even though we only live 100 metres further away than her bestie, 2 other people have joined the waiting list between us. We're now at number 3 - same place as we were over 2 years ago. I could cry.

spotty T sometimes does that but usually after a bit of coaxing she'll take a reasonable amount from her fave boob.

WL do you think I could just feed from one side now? he really hates the left side it's pretty bad at its job since the mastitis wink

lazzaroo Fri 04-Oct-13 18:35:17

Sometimes I think baby lazza secretly logs on to my mn account and reads my posts....after nap discussions yesterday, today she skipped her 10am nap! Will see what difference, if any, it makes to tonight.

WL that's sad for your DD. We went to look around a possible school for DD next year today. I find the whole thing scary & a bit sad!

Is there a 9 month growth spurt?! Baby lazza is eating like a pig....and still not feeding any less confused

WLmum Fri 04-Oct-13 20:06:13

spotty I'm sure just one side would be fine.

lazza its totally scary! Dd1 has a different friend (a girla that she likes but rarely plays with) coming home for tea next Friday. Fx they will start to play together at school. I just want to wrap her up and keep her with me!

T has learnt to wave properly today. So cute. And she's started to really enjoy her bath which is lovely.

jackandjilly Fri 04-Oct-13 20:16:41

Evening all

WL I second the idea of wrapping up our big dd's and keeping them at homesmile my dd had her first harvest festival today. She was really excited I was going but soon got upset when she realised she couldn't sit with me and ds. Hope your dd makes a new BFF!

Well in the last two weeks we have learned crawling, pulling up, waving and clapping ahhhhhhhh where has my baby gone!

PurplePidjin Fri 04-Oct-13 20:31:18

Big growth spurt somewhere between 7 and 10 months, which is why i held off with the sleep training till i knew it had passed. It's linked to them getting mobile and therefore independent - R happily scuttles off at grandma's/play group now, even round corners and out of sight if he's aiming for someone. I think the next one is 12 but don't think any will be quite this big. At least, R is doing recognisable sounds which is language started, he's got 5 teeth so knows what's going on there and is beginning to be independent moving away from me to play with toys. That's the major development stuff covered afaik, it's fine tuning from here on in!

WLmum Fri 04-Oct-13 21:48:44

Busy fortnight jack!

T ate a handful of sudocrem tonight - you'd think it would taste disgusting but she seemed to quite enjoy it! She wolfed down the fish pie I made for her at tea time and cried when it was all gone. First time ever I think. Hoorah.

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sat 05-Oct-13 00:52:13

Ah I miss my baby! He's at his gran's as we've been to the local hero awards sobfest.

I neeeeed another baby! I am ridiculously broody, waaaah! But I want to devote myself to j at the same time. I'm so contrary!

Wow jack that's great smile

WillYou I'm so glad I had 2.5 years of just dd. it's time you'll never get back again. At the same time though two close together apparently get on so well. It's such a personal decision.

Home alone today with two grumpy children. Loads of washing and cleaning to do

WLmum Sat 05-Oct-13 07:44:47

Do it willyou! It was lovely being able to devote myself to dd1 for 3 years but during that time we were always trying for another one which was always in the back of my mind. I used to worry that if the age gap got too big she wouldn't get the benefit of a sibling as a playmate. It's only since dd2 has turned 3 that they play nicely together. It's not just the age gap though, their personalities are very different and as I said above dd1 is not the most social.

I'm back to thinking I need to do cc. T was up at 12, 2 and 5.30 each time needing a feed to settle. I'm wrecked.

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sat 05-Oct-13 09:49:11

Poor you WL, I think they know when you're at the end of your tether so give you a good night to mess with you. Then it hurts all the more when they go back to waking again!

I am hungover this morning. We went to a charity awards night last night and were pretty drunk. I drank wine exclusively, that never ends well. My neighbours have picked the one Saturday we could've had a lie in to hire a bloody chainsaw and tackle their leilandi.

Trying to work up the energy to go and pick up J from MiL. Bleugh.

WillYou you need to go out for breakfast first smile

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sat 05-Oct-13 09:54:50

Do you think wetherspoons would deliver if I explained what dire need I'm in? grin

Mmm I love a greasy breakfast!

Tesco tried to substitute my oregano for mixed herbs angry

halestone Sat 05-Oct-13 12:40:29

Willyou you could practice while you decide whether to ttc againgrin Hope you get a greasy breakfast.

WL i hope things go well for your DD1 and her new playdate.

Jack your DS is coming on so well nowgrin

Me and DP got to watch a film alone on TV last night. It was so nice to curl up and cuddle. apparently i have turned into a emotional person and love him loads at the moment

halestone Sat 05-Oct-13 14:59:57

I know this makes me a bad mummy but i was having a Bacon Butty for dinner H ate half apparently it was the best thing ever. I was just surprised she ate so much she never eats well.

WLmum Sat 05-Oct-13 15:06:32

Wow hales H has some good teeth/chewing action then - it was years before the bigs could tackle bacon.

halestone Sat 05-Oct-13 15:16:09

WL she was biting small chunks off she loved it but ate half i was shocked!

I've just text dp asking him to pick up some bacon for breakfast tomorrow mmmm. I don't think dd has ever had a bacon sandwich!

halestone Sat 05-Oct-13 15:43:04

Spotty my DP makes me go to my nans every sunday as apparently she makes the best bacon butties ever and she does one for us all every sunday.

Aww that's so nice! I love little family things like that smile

FriendofDorothy Sat 05-Oct-13 17:09:07

Fuck fuck fuck.

Not only did my Mum die last week, now my little kitten has been run over and killed smile

I saw that fod. Completely shit sad

Dp has just been to that his grandad will likely pass away in the next day. He has motor neurone disease, probably diagnosed about a year ago maybe less sad

itsMYNutella Sat 05-Oct-13 18:43:38

Oh Fod I am so sorry! Sending lots of hugs your way. Wish I could think of some great words of wisdom for you but I can't. I'm just genuinely thinking of you and sending you all our best wishes instead. X

spotty that's also poo!

pidj I'm so glad you said developmental leap. DS has been sooooo hard all week! He definitely has teeth coming (2 on the bottom and I think 2 at the top...) he has had a rotten cold which he has kindly shared with me and the last two nights have been simply ridiculous. There is no other way to describe them! Please, someone lie to me and tell me he will start sleeping again soon!!!

On another note we made it around Ikea today with no screaming. From me, DP or DS. That has to be amazing right??

itsMYNutella Sat 05-Oct-13 18:45:51

And hales could you please post me a bacon butty? Preferably with some brown sauce on! smile

PurplePidjin Sat 05-Oct-13 18:55:52


Actually nutella R now sleeps 6-6 with 1 or no wake ups, a combination of passing the leap and some gentle sleep training...

WLmum Sat 05-Oct-13 19:41:32

fod that is so shitty. I am so sorry.
spotty ditto. Mnd is so awful.

hales love the ritual - I never knew my grandparents.

T has had ridiculously little sleep today but has been mostly chirpy and just had a great play before now attempting to feed her to sleep.
DH has got me some Dutch courage for the night ahead in the form of chocolate cheesecake and wine.

PurplePidjin Sat 05-Oct-13 19:51:04

R used a dummy to go to sleep confused he hasn't used one for 7 months although i occasionally offer hmm

WLmum Sat 05-Oct-13 20:20:28

I wish T had taken a dummy. With dd2 it was such a great sleep cue.

PurplePidjin Sat 05-Oct-13 20:32:00

Nor does R! He went through a phase at about 15 weeks and loved it but has spat them since. He was chomping on his hand so i tried and it worked! I had to go to the shop anyway so picked up some 6+ months ones for him! and white chocolate buttons for mummy it's very bizarre confused

Barbeasty Sat 05-Oct-13 20:45:24

FoD it doesn't rain but it pours. Really sorry. Hope you're doing ok.

Spotty it's horrible. My aunt had it. Probably diagnosed 18 months before she died. DD went to her funeral at about 3 weeks and her family liked that they had the same name (not named after her). And someone from my NCT group had a sponsored walk today to raise money for it because her BIL has it.

IsThatTrue Sat 05-Oct-13 21:29:22

Hi everyone, I'm sorry I've been AWOL. DS is the amazing non sleeping baby, I'm managing in about 3-4 hrs a night and its affected my ability to concentrate. I've also been dieting and exercising to try and get some 'me' back.

I haven't kept up but just read the last few posts and I'm so sorry to hear about your mum and kitten FoD

WLmum Sat 05-Oct-13 21:31:59

pidj I always wonder if its nice on the teeth.
Dd1&dd3 are teething together -so cute! Dd1s 6 year molars are coming through as well as having lost one of her baby teeth, and says they don't hurt at all! She was always ok with her baby teeth too - a red chin but not really any bother.

WLmum Sat 05-Oct-13 21:42:46

2 wake ups so far but both times settled quickly with a 'rock' in the cot.

Dd's awake too hmm he's been really unsettled the past few nights must be teeth.

Sorry to hear about lack of sleep IsThat

Barbeasty Sat 05-Oct-13 21:46:43

DD was pretending to breastfeed her doll this morning. We were trying to work out what she was doing with her other hand.

Turns out she was mumsneting using her phone. blush

WLmum Sat 05-Oct-13 22:10:38

beasty hahahahaha!

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sat 05-Oct-13 22:11:41

Oh FoD what an awful thing to happen. I'm really sorry.

Sorry to hear about your GFiL too Spotty.

Sorry about the lack of sleep IsThat, can you see any reason for it?

J is being so cute today. He's been super hungry and really sleepy after hardly sleeping for I know it all and won't do it your way MiL. He grabbed me by the lips and tried to bite my nose, I couldn't help but laugh.

Pidj J has never had a dummy (complete refuser) and for the last 3 weeks at baby groups he keeps preying on the smaller babies and stealing them shock. We're going to get a name for ourselves!

I developed a 5pm hangover, but luckily by then DP was feeling a bit better and I handed over to him for a bit.

IsThatTrue Sat 05-Oct-13 22:32:07

willyou I'm not sure tbh. We now have 5 teeth so it could have been that, or his cold, or he's just a bugger who likes waking mummy in the night for some booby!

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sat 05-Oct-13 23:17:19

That's us too IsThat, j had a cold, got 4 teeth and dropped all day feeds a couple of weeks ago, preferring to feed at night. This too shall pass...

BopsX3 Sat 05-Oct-13 23:40:47

Hi everyone smile just read the past couple of posts.


Oliver doesn't have a dummy either, but he won't go to sleep unless he's sucking the corner of a blanket or a teddies ear or something. Ds1 had a dummy untill he was about 2 and ds2 had one untill about 6 months.

halestone Sun 06-Oct-13 00:15:07

FoD so sorry for your loss, your still on my thoughts and prayers.

Spotty sorry about your GFiL i hope your DP gets to spend some time with him.

Isthat i hope DS's sleeping improves for you soon.

Willyou aww i'm glad you've had a lovely day. grin

WL i hope your cake and wine go down well.

H is still refusing to sleep FX she goes soon. She is also a complete dummy refuser but in the last couple of weeks when she finds one in her toy box then she chews for a while.

Beasty your DD sounds so funny grin

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sun 06-Oct-13 02:15:25

Just gave DS a bottle, usual size. He drank it in 3 minutes flat. Didn't touch the sides. One moan and zonked back out again. I told you he was sleepy and hungry grin

IsThatTrue Sun 06-Oct-13 03:30:48

willyou see DS just spends all day/night feeding. He's started eating again the past few days but had been refusing real food for a while (I think teeth related).

He's been feeding for 1/2 he but my boobs were fit to burst as this is the first wakeup since 7pm, which I think is the longest he's ever slept! I went to sleep at 10.30 which means I've had 4 1/2 hrs sleep already. I could honestly get up for the day right now (obviously I won't if I can get DS back to bed) I've got so used to surviv

IsThatTrue Sun 06-Oct-13 03:31:16

^surviving on no sleep.

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sun 06-Oct-13 06:41:32

Fx you got a little more sleep IsThat. Hopefully the food will increase back up and so will the sleep. J has just started eating again after our holiday and is walloping everything put in front of him. I hope DS2 does the same for you.

WLmum Sun 06-Oct-13 07:23:49

T is such a monkey - every time I say right that's it she sleeps better! After 2 early settles last night she slept til 4.30, fed and sleep til 5.50, fed and sleep til 6.30. Obviously that's not perfect but liveable and not worth tackling in my view.
isthat glad you had a better night. I hope it's the first of many.
Swimming lessons, bike riding, gardening and sorting some photos for us today.

Ds didn't wake up until gone seven! Dd woke at four though and I just could not get back to sleep.

Dp is going to see his grandad today (if he made it through the night). Apparently he is in a vegetative state now such a cruel disease. I feel bad the children can't say goodbye (for him) but I don't want dd to see him like that. He was always so fit and healthy

PurplePidjin Sun 06-Oct-13 07:36:14

WillYou R does that, or if he's enjoying something another baby will come and take it. I tend to keep going to the groups where the mums don't just go "it's ok, he can have it" because what does that teach them about snatching/sharing?! I must be really lucky though, i bump into the same nice mums with slightly older babies at all the groups i go to cheap and walking distance not met any cliquey snobs yet! There are some pretty mad 2yos though, I'm reserving judgement till i work out if that's what 2yos are like (my bf's isn't nor are a couple of others i know!) or ineffectual chavvy parents hmm

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sun 06-Oct-13 09:19:22

I've met some lovely mums at baby group. There are groups within the groups but not cliques. People with similar aged babies tend to sit together (which is good so the older babies aren't clobbering the newborns) but everyone's friendly enough. I tend to think if you don't want to talk to me I don't want to talk to you so I don't let it upset me there (massive change for me as I was such an anxious worrier pre-DS).

My friends and I have a lord of the flies situation going on, we let them govern themselves grin Not really but we don't get upset/shouty about a bit of hair pulling/shoving as they're all so tiny. It's a oops sorry, he'll get him back next week and move on vibe!

That said the groups I go to are split into non-walkers and steady on their feet, so no marauding 2 year olds. My friend's little boy is not at all like you describe, my nephew is (as BiL spoils him rotten) but luckily as he gets his own way at home he's completely taken aback when other children don't let him get away with it and so is a perfect angel at nursery/play group!

Told you she can sense weakness WL, on your "I-mean-business" days she knuckles under!

Ds just tried to put his sock on his foot grin very unsuccessfully!

Now he's just found a rogue carrot stick from dd's dinner last night (she must have dropped it somewhere we didn't see wink) and he's crawling around with it in his mouth

jackandjilly Sun 06-Oct-13 11:33:50

So sorry FOD can't imagine what you are going through. My thoughts are with you.

We have kissing to add to our list of achievements. Awwwww

Barbeasty Sun 06-Oct-13 12:20:03

A has slept through lunch. But he needs to wake up soon or he won't have time to eat before we leave for his swimming lesson.

But DD won't be going swimming. She came back from church, had some water and a jelly bean, and threw up. Looks like she has what DH had. I'm hoping it's what I had the other week and that I'm not going to go down with something else.

And my arm hurts! I had the flu jab yesterday. So far it's been hit by DD's doll and by A.

I've got my flu jab next week. I hate jabs!

Poor dp didn't get to his grandad before he passed away sad

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sun 06-Oct-13 13:47:17

Oh no Spotty, that's really tough. Hopefully DP can remember him as he was not terribly ill in a hospital bed. thanks For him.

WLmum Sun 06-Oct-13 14:26:19

Sorry to hear that spotty. Hope dp is ok. Maybe your turn to but him chocolate!

halestone Sun 06-Oct-13 16:15:39

Spotty sorry to hear about your GFiL hope your all ok. Your in my thoughts and prayersthanks

jackandjilly Sun 06-Oct-13 17:07:19

Ah spotty thats toughhmm poor dp

Barbeasty Sun 06-Oct-13 17:16:24

Really sorry to hear that Spotty.

Is your DD having the vaccine? DD had it yesterday too, so I suspect that didn't help with how she is today.

I got home and DH is feeling very guilty. DD felt better so he put her on the swing. He'd just finished cleaning up when I got back from A's swimming lesson, and DD was fast asleep on the sofa.

They missed the lesson where A got thrown in the pool.

Thanks everyone. Dp seems ok I suppose it helps that it was expected so not a shock.

Beasty no she's not she doesn't have anything that requires her to have it.

itsMYNutella Sun 06-Oct-13 18:23:07

Spotty sorry to hear that, and sorry for your DP.thanks

Beasty when you say DH was cleaning up the mess... Was DD not very well on the swing??

DS is driving me potty this evening! He is happy one second, screaming banshee the next (and its about 70% banshee to 30% smiling). He didn't eat much dinner and threw himself around in his high chair. He managed to hit his head on the high chair, more screaming. I wiped his hands apparently too hard because they were covered in dinner, more screaming!
DP cuddled him after I couldn't take it anymore and he did settle down. Then changing for bed.... Ooooohhh that was fun! I'm not sure where teeth end and this growth spurt starts! shock I just hope it is all over soon.

I'm just putting DS to bed and then I'm going to need a dark quiet room to sit and rock in while repeating the mantra this too shall pass confused

Barbeasty Sun 06-Oct-13 18:39:37

Yep. I was warned not to walk on the lawn.... he pushed her on the swing and she was sick. She's come downstairs now, complaining that DH had out her to bed.

Spotty DD doesn't have any factors any more, but they are meant to be vaccinating all 2-3 year olds, so DD came under that.

IsThatTrue Sun 06-Oct-13 18:47:28

Sorry to hear do didn't get to see his GF spotty I had that with my nan and my auntie.

And I hope dd is better soon barbeasty imagine putting a sick child on a swing hmm

Well he slept 7-3, 4-6.30 and then sleepy fed in our bed and didn't wake until 7.45!! Hurrah! Now all he has to do is the same again. I can cope with that. (The 7-3 stint is the longest he's ever slept for and therefore the longest I have slept in approx 14 months!)

Things are progressing slowly with my parents house but there's a 75% chance we will be moving into it. Which is great, but the thought of moving is stressing DH out. I'm just trying to declutter as much as possible.

Beasty I didn't know that? (And I work in a drs surgery hmm). Off to investigate....

Hmm was it a nasal spray beasty? Dd hasn't been offered it but then I never do either I have to ask hmm she has vaccinations in a few weeks so I will ask then

WLmum Sun 06-Oct-13 19:48:18

spotty I second beasty. My letter says they are doing all children under 5 but starting with 2-3 yos. Dd2 had hers last week with no ill effects.
nutella T absolutely hates being wiped so I just carry her over to the sink and run her hands under the tap and use my wet hand on her face. She's at the great stage of wiping some of every meal on her head and in her hair, so my wet hand goes over that too.
isthat that's great sleep - fx its the new pattern! L

WLmum Sun 06-Oct-13 19:48:53

Yep dd2 had nasal spray.

Hmm I don't understand why I haven't heard anything

Barbeasty Sun 06-Oct-13 20:37:30

Yep, nasal spray. Really quick and easy and let me jump the queue

2blessed Sun 06-Oct-13 23:54:59

Night all <<waves>>, not posted in a while been a bit busy prepping for going back to work.

FOD that's really shitty about your cat.

Beasty once again I love yout tales of your DD, breastfeeding her doll and MNing at the same time... Hope everyone feels better soon.

spotty sorry for you and DP's loss.

R is getting more confident standing unaided and I'm sure he took a step before stumbling into me on friday but hasn't done it since confused. He's on really good form at the moment, think he'll be ok in nursery.

Why are both my children still asleep?! I got woken up my next door's music hmm

Ds is nowhere near standing unaided although he has let go of the sofa a few times; he just fell straight back and hit his head...

halestone Mon 07-Oct-13 09:06:09

2blessed when do you start back at work?

I'm in shock H fell asleep at 10:20 last night, woke at 7:15 this morning. I changed her bum and she fell asleep while i was doing it. Shes just cried now so i have given her a bottle and shes back asleep.

halestone Mon 07-Oct-13 09:49:53

Shes just woke up now grin

WLmum Mon 07-Oct-13 09:49:57

Wow hales great sleep! T slept til 4 then had a feed but was up and down until settling in my bed about 6.15. Somehow she managed to sleep through the big 2 getting in and then me moving her back to her cot! She finally woke about 7.40 and is just falling asleep on the boob before I go to work. My word its so much easier getting everyone ready for school without her under my feet!
Told dd1 about her bestie moving schools. She was sad but ok. She said she wants to go to that school too to be with her friends (her other bestie moved there at the start if term) but we're 3rd on the list so will be a while yet.

Wow hales that's amazing! Ds slept 6:40 until 7:30 big sleepy head. Even dd did a good solid 12 hours.

WL your poor dd sad the admissions for first school has begun in this area do you suggest I look round a few schools? I know our catchment one is a great school (it's a forest school with a brand new under cover pool, small village etc) and if so do I just email them to arrange a viewing or do they do open evenings?

Stacks Mon 07-Oct-13 10:53:46

Why are babies broken? Why won't they sleep when they're tired?? sad

itsMYNutella Mon 07-Oct-13 11:57:58

Stacks we had a ridiculous week last week that was a growth spurt/ developmental leap. He seemed fine during the day. A bit of extra whinging in the afternoon and then really fussy right before bed. DS would then sleep soundly until almost midnight and the rest of the night was just, well, stupid!
Fx, touch wood and someone hand me a rabbit foot; but last night he seemed back to normal : slept till 2 ish, fed, slept till 4:30ish fed slept till 6:45. Only difference was he fed longer (about 20 mins) and it was definitely for comfort.

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Mon 07-Oct-13 16:00:48

DS is totally sleep blocking me! We're having a little nap in my bed, he's just woken in hysterics after 20 minutes. He screamed the place down for 5 minutes, then passed back out. Now I'm wide awake. Not cool, DS. Not cool.

Barbeasty Mon 07-Oct-13 16:43:07

Spotty we phoned and arranged to look around a couple of schools, but check their website, as it probably says and will say if they have a open day. Both had us around within a week of my phoning.

One had 2 year 5s show us around and then the head saw us, the other the business manager showed us around (the head was on holiday because she was meant to have retired but they haven't managed to appoint a new head).

We are pretty much guaranteed a place at our first choice (Catholic school where we're in the top category after looked after baptized Catholics, which has only turned away 1 child in the last 6 years and never gets beyond 60% Catholic). But we're still using all 4 choices, in case something goes wrong. I'd rather be at an ok school nearby that we've chosen than a random one the council chooses.

FriendofDorothy Mon 07-Oct-13 16:47:30

My nipples really hurt!

I am not sure whether The Little Mister has teeth coming through or whether he is just feeding more than usual but they hurt!

Ouch fod!

We only get three choices here but I know the three I want to look round. Will use all three and ring them at some point smile

WLmum Mon 07-Oct-13 19:57:07

spotty def look around them. If nothing else it gives you a comparison. The school you mentioned sounds lovely though.
Dd1 seems ok atm but next week will be the real test when her pal has actually left.
fod poor nips! Have you still got any lansinoh or similar? Every now and then I get a bit sore, usually if she's human dummyed me and a little bit works wonders. How are you holding up?

itsMYNutella Mon 07-Oct-13 20:10:44

Fod. I totally agree with WL's advice... I still have plenty of lansinoh (spelling?) that I didn't need hmm I've found it actually very useful for my nose while I enjoy the horrible cold DS has shared with me!

We had dinner out tonight!! grin We know a midwife student who volunteered to babysit (she is the loveliest baby sitter you could wish for) when we met her at the hospital and we stayed in touch. She has been round a couple of times to meet DS and today was a real test, we had a dance lesson (for the wedding) at 5 and then we went for dinner at nice restaurant nearby. It was lovely.
But now poor DS keeps waking and whinging. Might get some calpol ready for him. Poor love.

utopian99 Mon 07-Oct-13 20:46:07

Ooh nutella so impressed with your dance lesson. Before we got engaged dh and I had a few salsa classes which were great fun then work stopped play. Don't do architecture kids.

Dh has had a horrific time getting home from work due to a jumper on the tracks so I fed O, got him ready for bed and now they've had a lovely chilled out play and he's asleep. I genuinely think he waits for daddy now, which is cute!

spotty thanks for the nip tip grin it is a bit urgh but think you are spot on.

fod so sorry about your kitten, on top of everything. Sending friendly thoughts your way.

beasty poor sick dd but once again great stories!

WL bad luck on your dd and hope she pals up with the new girl? Schools are such a minefield.. They were discussing secondaries on woman's hour today and I'm still none the wiser!

Have been away for ages and only just catching up so apologies for those I miss.

WLmum Mon 07-Oct-13 22:27:33

nutella lansinoh is also great for cracked heels! Glad you enjoyed your night out. I think I'd quite like proper dance lessons but not sure about DH. We just did the cuddle sway during our first dance.
Oh no utopian do you know where the jumper was? There were lots of police by a bridge right by my house about 6.30 this eve...poor person and their family.

WLmum Mon 07-Oct-13 22:36:40

Oh god, just looked at the bbc travel news - it was near my house. Poor desperate person. One of Ts middle names is after a friend of dhs who hung himself so it always strikes a chord.

halestone Tue 08-Oct-13 01:56:10

Tonight i am paying for last nights good sleep! Shes crying and hitting alot!

2blessed Tue 08-Oct-13 04:09:40

Today we braved ikea by public transport!Traffic was awful on the way home, I had to stand on the bus Got a few bits that I needed wanted, for an hour and a half. Its normally a 40 min journey. DP sorted dinner and R for bed and I was in my bed before 9. Also coming down with a cold. R woke up 20 mins ago.

hales I go back on 21st sad. Hope DD has settled back to sleep.

2blessed Tue 08-Oct-13 04:13:01

Yay to dance lesson and dinner out nutella. DP and I still not had an evening out...

WL it's so sad isn't it? Lansinoh is also great for dry lips grin

I feel awful waking the children to go to work sad

utopian99 Tue 08-Oct-13 07:10:48

Ah, sorry to hear it was near you WL. I have such problems imagining what drives someone to that state, I guess I should count myself lucky to not be in such a position. My mother worked for the Samaritans for a bit, she always came home and gave us huge cuddles afterwards but they aren't allowed to discuss calls.

Sorry to put a downer on people's mornings, hope your DC are okay spotty? O slept from 8pm-6.45am! shock shock

I still woke up at 1, 3, and 5... hmm

itsMYNutella Tue 08-Oct-13 07:48:21

WL you're right. It is very sad.

Utopian not at all jealous of the sleep... Not at all...

DS sort of slept well. I fed him at about 2 but woke at 4, 5 and 6 because he was whinging and I thought he was awake but he was still asleep.
He is not well sad his cold is awful! When I got him out of bed this morning he fed well but he felt really hot. He was very unhappy. We checked his temp (38.8 I think) and gave him some paracetamol. Then I cuddled him in bed and fed him a bit more. 10 minutes later, I kid you not my happy little hooligan was back.

He is now shouting at me and refusing breakfast. He is a poorly little man... It's going to be a long day!

itsMYNutella Tue 08-Oct-13 08:29:36

Arrrrgggghhhh I've spent the last half an hour cuddling the monster to get him to sleep. He is a tired, teething, full of cold miserable screaming baby. Anyone want to swap? He should be asleep soon(ish) and then I get a 30 minute break... Yay confused

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Tue 08-Oct-13 08:47:32

Oh poor baby Nutella, keep him topped up with painkillers and lots of cuddles.

We slept well last night. DS slept 9-11 (woke up with tooth pain), straight back down until 2:30 (also toothache), then through until 7:30. He woke up crying and screaming and went absolutely apeshit when I tried to change his nappy. You could hear him from space!

itsMYNutella Tue 08-Oct-13 09:34:26

Little bugger only slept for 20 minutes then slept a bit more on the boob and then slept cuddled into my neck hmm I don't mind but it would have been awesome if he had slept 30-40 minutes on his own.
I've turned the washing machine on for him while I jump in the shower. It's in the bathroom next to the shower so I can keep an eye on him.

WLmum Tue 08-Oct-13 11:17:55

Oooh just had an email from an ex-colleague asking if I'd like to explore a job share option with one of her reports - er yes! Fx it leads somewhere!

Sorry to hear of screamy teethy babies. T just had a good cry on the way home from the park about being tired. I boobed her at home and she's off. Crazy babies - if you're tired go to sleep!

halestone Tue 08-Oct-13 12:51:23

After a horrific night we've had a much nicer day today. She keeps trying to walk over to me to kiss megrin

WL i have my FX that something good comes from hearing from your old Colleague.

2blessed i hope you enjoy the rest of your maternity leave.

Willyou and Nutella, although so far today has been nice with H. I can relate to screaming babies. These past couple of weeks i have learnt that she has got a cracking temper! But i suspected she would with having ginger hair and green eyes and an Irish grandmother.

Fx WL!! I'm all coldy again today. Both dc cried at being woken up but were happy by the time we left. Now to get some lunch!

WLmum Tue 08-Oct-13 15:51:43

My god a child has been hit by a car in my village. I feel sick.

Oh WL that's awful sad

2blessed Tue 08-Oct-13 18:34:51

Awful news WL.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you on the job front.

WLmum Tue 08-Oct-13 20:00:37

Phew, news is that the little girl that was hit is not seriously injured.

jackandjilly Tue 08-Oct-13 20:03:53

That's awful WL have you heard anymore? Hope they are ok.

Fx on the job front

Well I have been back at work a grand total of 5 weeks and today I resigned! No one particular reason, just feel I can't juggle everything and do each thing justice. I'm not actually making any money, just holding my job for longer term. I will worry about it in a few years time.

Good news WL smile

envy Jack good for you

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Tue 08-Oct-13 20:11:09

Glad to hear it WL. FX on the job.

Wowzer Jack

DP is entering his 14th hour at work or he's left me and has a 14 hour headstart don't worry I'd still hunt him down

Today J has been in the wars. One of his favourite things to do is push the clothes airer around and today he shoved it over and it collapsed, trapping his fingernail. He then pulled the radio over onto his other hand. He cannot be trusted for a second.

jackandjilly Tue 08-Oct-13 20:13:50

Cross post WL, that's good news.

Barbeasty Tue 08-Oct-13 20:37:46

Also envy jackandjilly. Just waiting for my numbers to be drawn on the lottery....

WL good news and fingers crossed.

I got to MIL's today to pick the DC up and A was asleep on her lap. She was telling me about how he's definitely ill, not been himself etc. Then he woke up and had a feed.... all smiles and absolutely fine.

DD is just confusing with her imaginary games. It's so hard keeping track of what she insists she's called each day. Normally various cousins, with a sister who has her name. Last night she slept on the floor with a duvet wrapped around her to be a sleeping bag for her sleepover. DH says she woke 4 times (I still got the worse deal with A!)

halestone Tue 08-Oct-13 21:25:31

WL i hope the little girl recovers quickly.

I spoke to soon this morning, H has been a nightmare with crying i've gave her Calpol, Anbesol, ice cubes for her teeth pieces of cucumber. But shes screamed and clung to me i havn't eaten as she won't leave my arms. I feel so sorry for her i don't know whats up and i feel abit guilty for feeling angry at all the crying. Shes finally fell asleep in my arms but everytime i try to lie her down she wakeshmm Looking like another long night tonight.

itsMYNutella Tue 08-Oct-13 21:47:14

Willyou that sounds like a day with my DS grin. DS has pulled the washing airer on himself, last week he upturned a watering can - which he thought was brilliant and he keeps manoeuvring to sitting on the changing table at the momentconfused I do my best to change him super fast (while he is scratching at sore bits & I'm trying to distract him with something) with his legs hanging off the change table so he can't use them for pushing....

Hales I'm really sorry to hear H has been hard work! Hope she isn't in too much discomfort.

WL fx that little girl gets better fast!

jack well done you! It's not an easy decision to make and follow through.

DS has been super hard today sad he has refused almost all food. He cried every time he hit his head on anything. He is definitely not well and I feel horrible for getting so wound up at him confused I feel a bit of a failure that I can't cook and do simple chores because DS keep me busy running around after him.

But in other news, I'm not sure if this is from last week's growth spurt, but DS has started proper crawling! It looks really cute. He still goes back to commando belly crawls if he wants to speed up though smile although he is still trying to cruise - hence the numerous times he bumps his head on a daily basis.

Utopian and someone else mentioned the dance lesson. They're quite keen on dancing in Germany and we had a few lessons before our mammoth wedding year in 2011 - I think we went to 5 but were invited to 6 or 7....
I also went to a Tupperware party a couple of weeks ago.... It is all a bit 1970s isn't it wink

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Tue 08-Oct-13 21:50:42

Poor H Hales, hope she settles for you.

Yay good news on the crawling Nutella. Our holiday with lots of time crawling on stone flags in bare knees completely cured DS of commando crawling!

Hales I saw this thread and thought of you grin

DP's still at work, 15 hours and counting! I'm off to bed. Night all.

2blessed Tue 08-Oct-13 21:54:50

beasty I'm like you waiting for my numbers to come up. Good for you jackandjilly!

WL really pleased to hear that.

hales have you tried ashton & parsons for H? R hasn't been troubled too much by his teeth but a friend of mine swears by it.

2blessed Tue 08-Oct-13 21:57:08

R and I have just had a singing session and now he's fast asleep next to me in my bed. Fx for the transfer.

WLmum Tue 08-Oct-13 22:30:06

I don't feel so bad about T and the slug last week now !

hales and nutella sorry about hard work babies, it is awful when they're like that and would literally try the patience of a saint.

jack good for you. That's why I left my proper job after dd1 (although I was making money - foolish woman!). 5 years later I'm ready to try again.

utopian99 Wed 09-Oct-13 08:48:14

jack good for you! I left my job was pushed when I told them about pg just before O was born, and now run my own practice but am so much happier, and flexible.
That being said I now have enough work we're interviewing babysitters to come and play with O on Mon and Tues afternoons so I have time to get everything I need to run the business done..

utopian99 Wed 09-Oct-13 09:07:14

Has anyone else deliberately night weaned? Last night was our first - water on hand for drinking and unlimited cuddles rather than boob. He wasn't very happy but wasn't crying his heart out as I never put him down till asleep again but it took an hour! So last night was 8pm-2am, 3-6.45... Not bothered about the lack of sleep but trying to do it for fertility, just wondering how successful anyone else has been?

Utopian I kind of did as I wouldn't feed him if it was less than four hours and he just stopped waiting. Had he continued I probably would have gone up to six hours then eight etc

PurplePidjin Wed 09-Oct-13 12:50:59

I did, utopian, we're now getting 6-6:30 with a bumchange and self settle around 2 smile

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Wed 09-Oct-13 17:40:37

I did a huge post earlier and it's gone. I cannot be arsed to rewrite it.

DP worked 7am-11:45pm last night, then was on call all night, luckily he didn't get called out. He's not seen J in 2 days. I'm pissed off, he's pissed off and his boss who worked 9-5 yesterday has come in today and said "Oh you shouldn't have done it like that, do it like this." He's not best pleased.

Someone has smashed into a lamppost just around the corner and you can't get anywhere near our house in a car so god know when he'll get home again.

itsMYNutella Wed 09-Oct-13 18:21:22

willyou I'd be angry too! Honestly, I'd be tempted to say something... But I do know its never easy. DP's boss is a twunt and does a really crap job. Other people DP knows on the same level as his boss say things like "yeah, I don't know how Xstill has a job"shock

I had an err interesting day. DS is still poorly and I think I might take him to the dr tomorrow. His cough isn't any better and I reckon his throat must be sore because he is refusing all food except fruit purée pouches and soft white bread buttered. sad

The weekly course we go to finished today, there is a new course starting in two weeks which we will definitely be going to! The lady who runs the course asked how I was and I couldn't stop myself from bursting into tears sad. I'm so worn out DS is a very active baby and I don't get a break. Winter is coming and people are talking about winter tyres which really doesn't help. She was so lovely and gave me some tips and had promised to email me more info later. I'm going to look for a child minder who can take DS for a couple of days a week. So off to the dr for DS tomorrow and also for me.

Oh Nutella are you ok? Do you have much of a support network where you are? Baby sitter sounds like a good idea so you can get some 'me time'.

WillYou that's rubbish I hope he gets home soon.

Any ideas on what dp and I can do in London? Going to see Micky Flanagan in two weeks and want to make a day of it....

Fourth try at posting angry

jackandjilly Wed 09-Oct-13 20:33:08

Thanks ladies for your kind words and support.

Nutella I feel for you it does sound tough. Hopefully a regular break should help. Let us know how it goes at the doc (hugs)

Will you your dps boss sounds lovely! What a crap situationconfused on your behalf!

Utopian I did night weaning but only had to do it for one night! He was a fast learnergrin same as you I cuddled plenty and just offered water in a beaker. It wasn't a massive deal for him but I did feel a meanie! He sleeps 12 hours solid now. Fx O sleeps well tonight.

Had dd's first parents evening tonight, I am one proud mummygrin love my girl!

WLmum Wed 09-Oct-13 21:34:18

Grrrr I just wrote a long post and lost it.

nutella hope you're ok, some time out sounds like a good idea. Remember, a refreshed mummy is much better than a half dead one!
spotty oh so many things to do - I'd visit a museum or gallery - national portrait, v&a, Tate, Tate modern, etc, walk along the south bank and have a meal, visit the oldest wine bar in London - Gordon's just by embankment station, have a drink in the Punch and Judy overlooking Covent garden square...

I had an email from the job share lady saying her circumstances have changed so its no longer a goer. Harrumph.

jackandjilly Wed 09-Oct-13 21:37:29

That's frustrating WLconfused

Shopping of course spottygrin

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 10-Oct-13 00:58:58

Rubbish WL.

Massive hugs Nutella I hope you can get some support and a little time to yourself.

DP got home at 6:30, do not too bad. He's properly exhausted though. He looks grey.

I can't sleep!

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 10-Oct-13 01:51:37

Still awake hmm I'm going to be Really sorry in the morning!

FriendofDorothy Thu 10-Oct-13 05:58:25

Ew. Have just had to completely change The Little Mister after a poo of doom. He wasn't impressed!

I was thinking the V&A. Can't really do shopping as can't be bothered to carry all the bags round with us! (will be getting the train).

Ds is awake I've still got an awful cold. Going to our local toddler group today it's £4 shockshockshock

Thats shitty WL I hope something comes up soon

utopian99 Thu 10-Oct-13 07:19:12

Good sleeping again 8-4.30 but then an hour and a half v settling, both of us had a go. Gave up and boobed him at 6, for all our Sanities (plus I count that as morning these days..)

It's funny because I have actually therefore had decent sleep but that last stint from 4.30 ruined me.

PurplePidjin Thu 10-Oct-13 08:24:56

It does, utopian, it seems to nullify everything that came before.

R did 6-5:30, then dp got up with him til 7:15 smile

itsMYNutella Thu 10-Oct-13 09:42:49

Thanks ladies, I won't bore you with my moaning; I feel ok, but that I'm only just coping and I'm not really happy. I sometimes get angry at DS and really impatient and I hate it and I want that to stop! I just don't really feel like me most of the time. I think this last week has tipped me over the edge and I'm considering giving up bf so that I have my body back.
I also don't want to fight DS anymore. And he gave my nipples a good chomp last night confused I don't think he would ever self wean, he loves a nipple for comfort.

WL that is so frustrating about the job! Fx something better pops up!

Spotty the V&A has the most amazing jewellery gallery (sponsored by Mr & Mrs Bollinger IIRC) and the whole place is lovely to wander around. But don't go through the tunnel - if you go by tube. Go up to the surface and walk, there is a lovely pedestrianised zone around there and lots of nice place for cake to eat.

Utopian hope you get better sleeps soon! Totally agree that missing out that last bit/ having to get up unexpectedly early can really ruin a good sleep!

DS is awake from his 20 minutes recharge... Although he had a good sleep last night 7:30-1am ish for 15 minutes feed/ nipple chomping. Some coughing and then awake at 6:00 for a feed and back down until 8am! Awesome sauce! He is still refusing food though... Not sure if he needs the dr or if he is nearly over it...

WLmum Thu 10-Oct-13 11:40:30

nutella your attitude sounds very healthy. If stopping bfing is right for you then its right. You've made it to 10 months - that's no small thing.

My morning was going well - T slept 8 til 4.15, fed then back down til almost 7. Then I was getting everyone's breakfast and lunches packed and I dropped a 3/4 full milk bottle on the kitchen floor. Milk and glass everywhere. Luckily T was in the dining bit. Of course she was v keen to come and investigate so was banished to her high chair. Dd1 was v sweet trying to keep her away. It's her bfs last day at school today :-(

itsMYNutella Thu 10-Oct-13 13:03:00

WL will she still see her friend or do they not live close by? Lovely that she was helping keep T away.

Spotty you got me thinking about a support network, no I don't really have one. PIL would love more time with DS, but that wouldn't be very relaxing for me... I've actually started a thread about it in AIBU- -yikes, puts on flame retardant gloves & picks up hot potato-- here

halestone Thu 10-Oct-13 13:30:12

Nutella i hope your feeling abit better today and also that you get some support. Sending some unmumsnetty hugs your way.

Willyou i hope DP gets a break from work soon there some long hours.

WL i hope DD1 is ok.

Utopian i havn't started night weaning yet. But i'm thinking of starting it soon, as some nights H goes 10-11 hours without having a bottle but sometimes she needs one after 6. I know its FF isn't the same as BF though.

Spotty i would do touristy thingd like visit Buckingham Palace and take an open topped bus tour around London. But i havn't been since i was a young girl.

Hmm Nutella I don't think you're being precious but then I know I am so I'm not one to talk grin

We go to London a couple of times a year hales smile I think dp wants to go to the Tower of London but I want to do V&A.... Then lunch (any recommendations?) then covent garden as I like it there.

Went to the toddler group thing. It was quite good but I still can't get over the fact that it's £4!

Eugh. This afternoon is going so slowly. I'm being grumpy and just sitting here all coldy [woe is me] whilst the dc entertain themselves ie moan lots and argue. I just want it to be dinner time (beef casserole with roast potatoes and yorkshires anyone?)

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 10-Oct-13 16:17:27

Ooh Spotty that sounds awesome, if I wasn't having a rather yummy peppercorn chicken with veg and a baked sweet potato myself I'd be envyenvyenvy Also autocorrect has just changed you to spooky and I think you should be SpookyTeacakes for Halloween grin

Id not be keen on leaving him Nutella, they sound well meaning but not physically up to it. Tough discussion to have though. How's it going in AIBU? Are you being massacred?

Someone else has been sacked at work! I'm so not looking forward to going back!

SpookyTeacakes Thu 10-Oct-13 16:26:12


WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 10-Oct-13 16:40:38

High five!

PurplePidjin Thu 10-Oct-13 17:01:26


PurplePidjin Thu 10-Oct-13 17:04:03

Nutella, I've got 6 weeks till Rs 1st birthday and he's down to 3 a day, two first thing and bedtime. Otherwise I'd be thinking the same as you. 1is so close though I'm just going to go straight to cows milk in a sippy cup.

WLmum Thu 10-Oct-13 18:42:18

Top marks spooky!
Ireman pidj!
I think I'm going to bf T til university! Half of me looks forward to cutting that tie, half of me dreads it and wants to cry!
Dd1s bf gave her a teddy and a matching half heart necklace. Dd1 cried all the way home. :-(. They will see each other every Tuesday at rainbows and hopefully we'll keep doing alternate tea and drop offs so they can play together between school and rainbows.

IsThatTrue Thu 10-Oct-13 18:48:25

We're still feeding 3-4 times a night and about 6 times a day on average. But he's eating well at mealtimes too, he has 1/2 a scrambled egg with a couple of cherry toms for breakfast. Lunch he has a couple of crackers/breadsticks with Philly, some cucumber spinach leaves carrot and pepper sticks. Or a cooked lunch of spag Bol/macaroni cheese/sausage and mash/lemon and herb breaded chicken and rice (all with steamed broccoli and carrot. He eats some of each and leaves the rest. Dinner is normally fruit purée and porridge as he's knackered by then and won't eat real food. He also has snacks of fruit and rice cakes.

Sorry for the long spiel it's good to write it down to get sons perspective that he's doing ok. I took him to get weighed today and he's 19lb2 and still on his centile line from birth, so we've got to be doing something right. I think he just burns a lot of calories as he's never ever still!

Our new thing is standing unaided, every time we do it we give ourself a round of applause and look around to check everyone has noticed! I'm dreading him walking though!

WLmum Thu 10-Oct-13 19:42:58

Wow isthat that's. great range of food. I tried T on scrambled egg today but it didn't go well although she liked it last time.
Her new thing is walking on her knees - it's hilarious.

SpookyTeacakes Thu 10-Oct-13 19:56:39

Egg is the only ds won't eat (like dd and I). Tonight he ate his bowl of casserole, then dd's and then screamed for some of mine and dp's hmm. He's a marmite lover too grin

I've got loads of washing to fold and I really can't be bothered!

SpookyTeacakes Thu 10-Oct-13 20:23:54

Dp just smashed the bridgewater 'daddy' mug I bought him and I cried blush but then he had a go at me for making him feel bad!

utopian99 Thu 10-Oct-13 20:35:46

grin for the name spooky..

O suddenly went to town on supper tonight - half a chicken and cabbage pouch, a whole pot of apple and pear, a lump of cheese and half a slice of bread and butter! No idea why- exciting day with Ga (his gm) maybe..?
He also feels rather hot and is measuring 99 deg f - I've given calpol but no symptoms of anything else, maybe a bit more sick than normal. Poor little crumb.

Also - we bought our flat yesterday and I submitted the planning application today. Boom. Efficient utterly OCD or what?

utopian99 Thu 10-Oct-13 20:37:31

Oh no spooky*, just read last post..

SpookyTeacakes Thu 10-Oct-13 20:43:56

grin It's ok he's gone upstairs in a grump with his coffee in his favourite boring plain white mug (which he was reaching to get when he knocked over the other one).

Congratulations on the flat and fx for the planning smile

halestone Thu 10-Oct-13 20:44:14

Congratulations Utopian thanks i hope your new home brings you many years of Happiness. Also i hope DS is feeling better soon.

Spookygrin to the name change. hmm To your DP breaking the mug.

WL the heart necklace sounds lovely.

Talking about food H is still pretty much hit and miss but she's getting better at it. She'll eat scramble eggs if my grandad makes it but not if anyone else makes it. Shes started saying Ta when we pass her things now grin i feel like shes growing loads. My baby seems to be disappearinghmm

itsMYNutella Thu 10-Oct-13 22:18:01

Evening ladies, just a quick hello and thank you before I go to bed. Thank you especially for your support on AIBU - it is scary over there grin. I could have written more but I felt bad writing mean things about the PIL. And I got the answer I was expecting, it's ok if I'm not happy but yes I am being a bit precious. smile

Anyway... Dr has diagnosed PND. Which I feel is more of a coverall and simplifies treatment options. I have a referral for therapy which I'm actually looking forward to perhaps because I love to have a good moan and tomorrow we have an appointment with a "family service" who should be able to help us find a childminder.

I feel so much more positive today, really like a weight has been lifted. I hope this feeling stays a while!

Spooky I love the name change!

isthat DS easily feeds that often and still twice at night on a good night. We have switched to formula which he seems to enjoy because he can eat on the move nosy baby

Right. Bedtime. Night night all! smile

WLmum Thu 10-Oct-13 22:39:53

Excellent utopian how v exciting. Loving the efficiency. What are you planning on doing to the flat? There's loads I'd like to do/needs doing in our house but currently there is a funds issue. I'm not sure one shower/bath is going to be enough when the girls hit their teenage years!

Wow to the speech hales. Our babies are swiftly moving towards toddlerhood aren't they - scary stuff.

WLmum Thu 10-Oct-13 22:53:35

Great nutella so glad it all feels positive, although sorry about the pnd obviously. I saw a therapist for a while some years back. Whilst she didn't actually 'help' me it was good to have someone to cry to outside of my normal life.
I don't think you're being too precious - if pil can't really carry ds there is a bit of a care issue. I know T can really hard to hold if she's struggling and I would be worried that someone not so strong could drop her. In reality he's unlikely to come to harm but if you don't feel comfortable don't do it. I wouldn't - and haven't - fil wouldn't change nappies but he and mil thought he could have dds alone for short periods if she wasn't available. I thought otherwise.

WLmum Thu 10-Oct-13 22:54:40

They def thought I was being precious but I don't care. My babies, my responsibility, my rules.

PurplePidjin Thu 10-Oct-13 23:29:34

R eats like a mad thing, i sometimes wonder if I'm over feeding him! 1-1.5 weetabix with 1/2 a fruit pot for breakfast at 6. 1/2 slice of toast or 1/2 a pear (or equivalent) mid morning. Pouch+fruit pot equivalent at lunch - he'll eat a whole egg + 1/2 a bagel, today we were out and he ate 3/4 of a toddler sized sandwich plus some baby sized rice cakes and 1/3 of my blueberry muffin. Dessert spoon of sauce + dessert spoon of pasta+fruit pot sized pudding for dinner. 3-4 breastfeeds during the day (7:30, 8:30/9, mid morning or afternoon sometimes and bedtime) depending on what we're doing. I do "don't offer don't refuse" so if he's grumpy i shove a boob in his gob. Today i offered water instead a few times when he grumped which helped so i need to get more valve sippy cups and let him have free access i think.

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 10-Oct-13 23:37:03

Glad the doctor was helpful Nutella massive hugs to you thanks

That's about what J eats Pidj, he also has 20oz of formula. All after 3pm hmm

Exciting times Utopian

<Waves to RL friend who may now be looking for her grin>

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Thu 10-Oct-13 23:38:44

J's giggling in his sleep, it is officially the cutest thing any baby has ever done ever! smile

utopian99 Fri 11-Oct-13 03:16:02

O is up with a cough. I can settle him with water and cuddles but he wakes every time I put him down. My boobs are rock hard as he didn't feed much during the day so hope I won't undo things by giving him a bit of milk but I suspect he feels a bit off anyway..

WL sorry for your dd, I hope they do stay friends. My oldest primary school friend went to a different school from me from 7 yo and yet she's probably still my closest and was moh at our wedding..

nutella glad you have some help coming your way. I think having a counsellor to talk to can do wonders just to allow you a vent, it really helped my DM through a tricky time.

Amazing speech hales, we still have no discernable words from O, I'm a bit sad about it, I so want to be able to tall better with him. Here's hoping he picks up some signs soon at least.

SpookyTeacakes Fri 11-Oct-13 06:08:46

Glad to hear you're sounding more positive Nutella smile sounds like your doctor was really helpful

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Fri 11-Oct-13 09:17:00

It's only 9:15 and if I hear pollywollydoodle holiday one more time I'll scream. Time to go out I think! Hope you all have a good day

utopian99 Fri 11-Oct-13 11:27:54

Hope no one minds but sick of phone GPS and looking for a cheap satnav. Who has one? Would you recommend it?

jackandjilly Fri 11-Oct-13 14:18:01

Utopian-We have a Tom Tom, it has been perfectly fine. Can't compare to any others though.

WLmum Fri 11-Oct-13 19:20:10

utopian that's lovely about your friend.
We also have a tom tom, happy with it but also can't compare it to anything g else but so so much easier than using your phone!

WLmum Fri 11-Oct-13 19:25:23

pidj you'll appreciate this - have started knitting Xmas presents for big 2. I know I'll have to wait 30 years until they understand the labour of love but I understand it.

SpookyTeacakes Fri 11-Oct-13 19:33:38

Utopian he's bound to talk a bit later than the ones who aren't as mobile yet smile

I'm really struggling to keep up with washing etc now I'm back at work. Even though today I only did 8-1:30 by the time I got home, changed, calmed the dc down and say down for lunch it was 3 and I'm knackered. So basically on the three days I work nothing gets done. At least I've nearly finished my Christmas shopping and we're off to London in two weeks and bath end of next month smile

PurplePidjin Fri 11-Oct-13 19:36:02

grin did i fb R's latest hat?

Stacks Fri 11-Oct-13 19:41:08

I was going to tell you guys about this ages ago, but forgot. Vertbaudet catalog had £15 off when you spend £20, plus a free wooden 'abacus' toy (it's really nice, T likes his). Just put in the code 2735 at the checkout. You can pay when you order or set up an account. They've got some nice stuff on there, including things like sleeping bags with detachable arms. Link here.

WL I've been making some despicable me toys for my dn for Christmas. I hope he appreciates the effort one day.

WLmum Fri 11-Oct-13 21:49:48

Awesome tip stacks I had just been thinking about getting T another snowsuit and this way I can get one for £8. Awesome!

utopian def don't worry about the lack of speech - my big 2 were not the earliest to start but were the earliest to be talking well. A friend with a slightly older ds commented last week about how eloquent dd2 is.

halestone Sat 12-Oct-13 02:08:50

Hope you managed to find a babysitter that you liked Nutella.

WL pictures are needed when you've finished knitting grin I cut out the fabric to make H a dress today it will be my first attempt at sewing baby clothes. Unfortunately i need to order more fabric.

Utopian my nan has a cheap one that i use to borrow which is good i'll find out tomorrow.

H is a very vocal baby and has alot of words and does loads of signs with her hands however she was one of the last in this group to crawl. I think she is just more inclined to develop vocally first. My friend with twins who are a month older said she thinks at this age they develop in one way quicker than another. I think i agree with her. and H takes after me i never shut up

halestone Sat 12-Oct-13 02:09:30

Also thanks Stacks for the tip i shall investigate their website tomorrow.

utopian99 Sat 12-Oct-13 03:06:05

Thanks for the tips, TomTom it is then! Just need to work out model now.. Also for reassurance on speech, dh says he thinks it's one development then another too, just me being a worrier.

You're all being deeply creative. envy My sewing machine is in storage and won't be joining us till Feb, boo. O's temp is still up - only 101f but I'm not happy about it. Am monitoring closely; he was super clingy today and kept getting away from the sitter for cuddles with me so in the end I gave up and sent her home as there was no point. Given that he is ill it was nice to ditch work and just be there with him though.

2blessed Sat 12-Oct-13 04:11:28

nutella pleased that you're finding a positive way forward.

I hope sickly lo's feel better soon.

Only 1 wake up so far...

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sat 12-Oct-13 04:34:01

We're on our second wake up and it's a long one! He's giggling, chatting and playing. He's also trying to rip off part of my face, preferably a nose, but a chin or an eyebrow would do! He keeps dribbling my bottom lip with his fingers and laughing to himself.

If it weren't 4:30 he'd be adorable!

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sat 12-Oct-13 05:09:28

Teeheehee he's foing massive farts now!

May be delirious as have been up for 1:45h now grin

2blessed Sat 12-Oct-13 06:43:15

Thats super cute WL.

We're on 2nd wake up and I've brought him into bed with us. Cue lots of back slapping on DP. I've had to say "mummy says ssshhh!" And bless R he'a trying to copy the ssshhh sound whilst still rolling around the bed.

utopian99 Sat 12-Oct-13 07:55:52

O is in with us too. Poor wee ill creature. Every time I settled him in the night he woke up again as soon as I put him down. He has now slept till 7.50 through which is unheard of..
My brother has volunteered to baby sit tonight but if he's still ill that might translate to just coming round for supper I think. He is lovely and really keen to get stuck in to uncle-ing but a sad and sickly ds might be a bit much!

WLmum Sat 12-Oct-13 08:49:01

3 wake ups last night and some handholding for dd2 = a shattered mummy. I think it might be teeth again for T as each wake required extensive boob to settle.

I'm knitting mummy kangaroos with pouches and joeys - will fb a pic when I'm done (but don't hold your breath!)

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Sat 12-Oct-13 09:17:42

Teeth here too. In the end we were up 3:30-6:30. Today will involve lots of carbs!

SpookyTeacakes Sat 12-Oct-13 12:16:06

Dp is so miserable all the time I'm completely fed up of it

halestone Sat 12-Oct-13 16:05:20

Spotty i can relate to that, all they do is whinge! I've told DP though that he's pushing his luck and he's trying to stop doing it as much.

H is having alot of temper tantrums today i can't wait to go to work! Poor DP is going to get it all.

WLmum Sat 12-Oct-13 20:37:17

I always send DH out for a run when he's grumpy and he comes back much nicer.
T has had bright red cheeks and chin today. Have given her some neurofen before bed to try to stave off teething pain.

utopian99 Sun 13-Oct-13 03:46:11

Hope everyone is getting good sleep. We'be had a day of ups and downs - met friends and got the keys to our new flat and then met my brother who came to stay for supper/the night.
Then while changing O noticed that despite having had a temp all day his hands and feet were icy which got me panicking about meningitis, then he was hugely and properly sick so called NHS direct who told us to take him to the out of hours doctor, where they diagnosed a proper ear infection. So I can relax a bit, but poor O is still burning up and now in our room for observation overnight.
We ended up having supper (chicken, mushroom and tarragon pie), at about 9.40...

SpookyTeacakes Sun 13-Oct-13 07:24:25

Oh no utopian! Glad it's nothing more serious but poor O, ear infections are horrible sad

I can't get ds to feed. I wouldn't say it's a nursing strike as he isn't totally refusing boob, he's latching on for a few sucks then latching off and prodding my nipple, then latching on etc etc.... I'm seriously thinking my milk has gone sad

WLmum Sun 13-Oct-13 08:09:13

Poor O utopian. Fx now its being treated he'll be better soon.
spooky T does that too sometimes. Just curious I think rather than frustration waiting for milk to flow. After a bit she stops and feeds properly.
Done in again after another shocking night. Swimming lessons and lunch guests so better give myself a kick up the backside.

2blessed Sun 13-Oct-13 08:10:45

utopian great news about the flat smile.
Sorry about O's ear infection anfd hope he perks up soon.

R slept 9-4 and is now in bed with me having a bit of mummy milk. Hope he goes back to sleep for another hour.

SpookyTeacakes Sun 13-Oct-13 08:18:49

Well after he'd finished messing around he just put his thumb in hmm so frustrating I'm not ready to stop yet.

Sorry for the bad night is it teeth?

utopian99 Sun 13-Oct-13 08:46:03

Sorry for the sleep WL, hope if teeth they come through soon.

I am pinned to the bed by my arm which he has been asleep on since 6. hmm Temp seems a bit better though and assume he needs the sleep so keen to let him, as he was so obviously not well last night. Have antibiotics so hopefully improvement from here..

itsMYNutella Sun 13-Oct-13 12:39:58

Morning ladies.
Utopian sorry about the ear infection! We are battling off the nasty cold that has been going around. DS still has a cough, but it's horrible when they're ill and you can't explain to them why the feel like crap.

WL poo to bad sleep! I'm slowly giving up BF but still feed DS at night. When the milk runs out my plan is to offer him water and hope he starts sleeping through longer.

I was cutting my toenails this morning and DP was watching formula 1 DS who was crawling on me. Then DS fell and cut his hand on the scissors shockshockshock I felt soooo bad!!! When he stopped bleeding we could see a tiny pin prick so we relaxed a bit and DP checked his vaccination record to make sure he has had a tetanus jab. But it was really horrible to see him hurt sadpoor baby!

halestone Sun 13-Oct-13 14:02:14

Hope O is better soon Utopianthanks

WL i hope you get some sleep today.

Nutella i bet DS forgets about it quicker than you do, i think we feel guilt for ages.

My DP has been a star again today he told me to have a sleep in as i'm not well. I felt guilty though and went downstairs but he sent me back to bed! I'm going to be gutted when he goes to work at 3 though i won't see him till tuesday. Hoping H is easier than normal to look after.

WLmum Sun 13-Oct-13 19:59:57

That's nice hales hope you feel better soon. We've had a nice day but in going to skip my usual swim as I'm exhausted and suspect another bad night to come. I'm assuming teeth as she's been a bit red of cheek and chin, chewy and off her food - except boob of course.

My neighbour has put her house on the market and didn't mention it to us - poor form? I'm not bothered really just a bit surprised. Hope we get nice new people.

WLmum Sun 13-Oct-13 20:06:18

Dh has been crowing all day as this morning on bed T rolled over and said a passable 'dad'! I'm sure it was just as she came up short of her now (last couple of days) dadadada but it sure made his day.

2blessed Mon 14-Oct-13 05:22:13

Well done T. How did she sleep tonight WL?

2nd wake up with R, he has a high temp (38.6) so we've co-slept. Will take him to the doctors later. Teeth perhaps?

SpookyTeacakes Mon 14-Oct-13 06:52:19

2blessed high temp is teeth fever is infection. I would say that's borderline and as long as it's going down with calpol and doesn't go much higher I would assume teeth.

WL that's so sweet smile

SpookyTeacakes Mon 14-Oct-13 07:27:58

Dd is walking around in her witch's hat and magic wand saying she's a mechanic. I think she means magician grin

2blessed Mon 14-Oct-13 08:26:19

Sooo sweet spotty.
Thanks, I'm sure (and hope) its teeth but temp is creeping up again. Got an appt in an hour so fx.

Was supposed to start settling in at nursery today...

WLmum Mon 14-Oct-13 09:59:19

spooky that's funny. grin
Last night a bit better with wakes (and feeds) at 12,5 and 6.
DH and I are really feeling it now so I'm going to start gently trying to improve things. DH is all for cc but I think that's cruel if she might be in pain. Nurofen and minimal boob at first wake as a first step.

2blessed Mon 14-Oct-13 10:28:36

You've got to do what's right for your family WL, hope it goes well.

R has a viral infection. His tonsils and 1 ear slightly inflamed. Poor babs. Calpol, fluids and lots of cuddles.

SpookyTeacakes Mon 14-Oct-13 10:39:18

Oh no 2blessed. Dd gets viral infections. I think unfortunately some children are prone to them and it hits her every time she gets a bit run down. She's had a fever twice in the past month. Hope he feels better soon. Ime it takes about three days

WLmum Mon 14-Oct-13 10:54:40

2blessed that sounds nasty. Hope he feels better soon.

halestone Mon 14-Oct-13 11:27:44

2blessed hope he's feeling better soonthanks

I agree WL do what feels right for you and your family.

I still feel like crap and in a complete role reversal my dad is looking after me and trying his best with H. Although we are basically just doing what she wants so that she doesn't cry as the crying noise is making my head feel like its going to explode!

SpookyTeacakes Mon 14-Oct-13 11:29:34

Oh no hales is she frustrated? I think sometimes their brain is ahead of their physical development and they find it really hard (I might be making that up wink)

halestone Mon 14-Oct-13 15:47:55

She gets bored of playing with one toy really quickly so then moves onto another. Then she wants to explore the house and if we try and get her to sit still for a couple of minutes she cries. My head is just banging at the moment so i'm just letting her do what she wants so i don't have to listen to it. I wish DP was here.

halestone Mon 14-Oct-13 17:40:49

DP is heregrin

lazzaroo Mon 14-Oct-13 18:18:02

Evening all. Have been absent a while but checking in. Sorry for all poorly babies...and mummies...and hard times being had by some.

Lovely to read good news for others & sweet stories of what dc have been up to!

All ok in the lazza household, although I've been right royally fed up over the weekend. Nothing in particular, I think every now & again the tiredness takes over. I'm exhausted & nothing we try seems to make any difference to baby lazza's sleep. To be fair she's got 3 top teeth poking their way through so I guess I just have to suck it up a bit longer.

Think I want to stop bf in the day but don't know how to go about it! It's so easy this time round. I feel selfish for having had enough when I know it's really going to cheese her off!

SpookyTeacakes Mon 14-Oct-13 19:40:44

Think we're in a full on nursing strike sad

WLmum Mon 14-Oct-13 20:17:46

Hope you feel better soon hales. Glad you're being taken care of.
I have mixed feelings about revisiting sleep training - obviously I want better sleep but the pain if training is painful! The push really is that DH is being v good about letting me lie in whenever possible but as a result he's knackered and its showing. I also really hope that a better job is not too far away but feel that my brain couldn't cope at the moment on this level of too little, and broken sleep.

WLmum Mon 14-Oct-13 20:50:36

Oh no spooky! Why?! Is there anything you can do?

WillYouDoTheMonsterMash Mon 14-Oct-13 21:02:34

Argh he won't go to bloody sleep! 1.5 hours and counting. He's laughing, chatting, moaning, trying to crawl but collapsing from tiredness and has even posseted milk all over me, and yet still it goes on. Send super nanny ASAP!

ISpyPlumPie Mon 14-Oct-13 21:24:19

Sorry I've been MIA for so long. Will catch up properly soon, but apologies in advance a me, me, me post to explain what's been going on.

So, at almost 33 years of age my body has randomly decided to become allergic to .....something?! Have got really nasty dermatitis/hives and the itching is driving me demented. Nothing topical is helping, and the next step is antihistamines. The problem is, when the GP checked, none were suitable whilst bf. After a fortnight of scratching myself to pieces (has been going on longer really, but getting more severe) and a lot of soul searching, I decided it really can't carry on even if it means I have to give up bf sad. Went to the support group today, and came up with a plan to express and built a little bit of a store, then pump and dump to keep a supply up while taking the shortest course of antihistamines I could - might also need to ff if can't express enough beforehad to cover. They gave me the number of the drugs in breastmilk helpline though, and they seem to be saying that taking ahs for a short time might be ok anyway so will see what happens when I go back to the GP.

Am also absolutely covered in bruises just from itching so have had to have blood test to check platelet levels.

And also to to top it off, N had a bug last week (now completely fine) and I got it over the weekend. Got so dehydrated I fainted due to low bp and managed to cut my nose open as I fell. Spent Saturday night in A&E on a drip (think I was the only sober person under 70 in there) and now much better but sporting a lovely wound across my nose, which might scar.

In summary, I am slowly falling to bits. But, worse things happen at sea. Hope things are better for everyone else. Will do some reading and find out!

IsThatTrue Mon 14-Oct-13 21:26:02

Hi everyone. Sorry for being absent. And sorry to hear that babies and mummies have been poorly.

We have started sleep training. I've stopped feeding if DS wakes within 4/5 hrs. I just cuddle, rock and shush. The first night it took me 90 minutes and then last night 60 minutes at around 3 am. But tbh at least 2 days a week it would take me that long even with boob. Tonight I fed him to sleep at 7, he woke at 8 but I rocked him back to sleep by 8.10. Fx he sleeps for a while.

PurplePidjin Mon 14-Oct-13 21:32:15


I won't update you, it'd make depressing reading wink

WLmum Mon 14-Oct-13 21:46:42

ispy piriton is suitable for babies aged one and over - surely if they can have a direct dose then a watered (or milked!) down dose through the boob should be ok? I feel for you, that kind of itching is awful. Glad you're getting bloods checked too.

WLmum Mon 14-Oct-13 22:02:09

Woo-hoo I know how to live, just ordered a heated clothes airer!

ISpyPlumPie Mon 14-Oct-13 22:41:17

2blessed8/Utopian* - hope LOs are better soon. Also belated congratulations on the new flat Utopian.

Hales - hope you are feeling better soon.

Nutella - glad you are getting some support. Know I'm very late to the party but YANBU re: PILs - I'd be concerned too.

WL - that's my thinking about Piriton too. Based on what I've been reading, the main risk seems to be that prolonged