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November 2012 - In which the babies start to reach their first birthdays

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StuntNun Fri 20-Sep-13 05:15:59
Pikz Fri 20-Sep-13 07:28:30

Oh god it's all gone so fast!!!

PurplePidjin Fri 20-Sep-13 07:52:12


Church Hall booked for party, we're going joint with a friend from feeding group smile

StuntNun Fri 20-Sep-13 08:09:42

I just ordered J's big present for his birthday - a Smart Trike everything else will be DS1 and DS2's old stuff wrapped up for him! blush

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 20-Sep-13 13:10:54


ChasingDaisy Fri 20-Sep-13 14:53:03

We will be having a small family party. I think XP and his family are planning a grander affair over compensating much

Can I ask two questions?

1. Naps. Oscar has been having three. Yesterday, I gave him 2 as an experiment (30 and 60mins) and he slept 13 hours last night don't hate me. How much are the other babies napping?

2. Shoes. I am getting pressure to buy O shoes but he isn't even crawling properly yet. When are shoes necessary? Will he need something other than socks on his feet this winter?

Bryzoan Fri 20-Sep-13 16:41:55

Not sure what we'll do - maybe close friends with kids and family for some songs and then sausages?

Chasing it sounds to me like you have sleep and naps nailed - well done :-). Shoes wise, g has some because he loves playing and standing outside. Also he pulls his socks off all the time and it is getting chillier. They don't need them at all at this age unless you want / need them to have them (for playing outside for example). If o isn't standing I would think a snowsuit with feet enclosed would be just as good. If you do get shoes make sure the fit well and are very flexible so their bones aren't constricted as they grow. Here is some advice from startrite www.startriteshoes.com/advice/crawling/

PurplePidjin Fri 20-Sep-13 18:23:48

R has a pair of Daisy Roots - leather upper, suede soles. Tough enough to cope with the park but soft and unstructured so he can find his feet smile

Donnadoon Fri 20-Sep-13 20:00:25

chasing I just bought dd her first pair of shoes today £24 from clarks shock But she desperately needed some as she is sliding and bashing her head on the laminate / tiled floors at home, and they have a lovely soft grip to them, perfectly fitted too, so only you can decide when he needs them but from what you've said he doesn't need them yet.

StuntNun Fri 20-Sep-13 20:15:59

J has a pair of pre-walkers from Clarks Chasing but only because I take DS1 and DS2 to the playground and he likes to walk around holding on to my fingers for balance. My other two never had shoes until they started walking unaided outside.

Kyz Fri 20-Sep-13 20:31:08

Evening all, day turned out ok in the end, E was in a better mood once his dad got up so he must've just wanted alternate company lol.

For lunch I ended up doing a lovely pasta sauce, carefully instructed by pr and he loved it, thanks very much pr smile I will do cheese on toast sunday I think as we are out tomorrow.

sounds like a lovely walk bplp smile

good stuff re cot napping yw long may it continue

sounds like a really nice non-date with non-date guy chasing smile

ouch pikz hope he's feeling better soon the poor mite

hope you're ok pennie

ouch pp hope your knee feels better soon

gt sorry the sale didn't work out but at least you still have a car like you said.

Partywise, it's e's birthday on Weds so we're going to have a cake after tea then, but the fair is in town the week of his birthday so on the saturday we are going to the fair with his cousins and his little friend round the corner and then we'll come back and have a bit of a tea party. I think!

Chasing E slept really well at night too when he dropped from 3 naps to 2 a few months back. I got E some shoes from clarks the other day because he's so long his feet poke out under his raincover on his umbrella pushchair and it's getting colder but he is cruising now. I have had a look at the daisy roots pp mentioned and they look fab smile the ones we got from clarks are for crawling and cruising and are softer and more flexible than the my first shoes range. He loves wearing them and seems very comfortable in them after an initial bit of wobbling because it must've felt quite strange for him!

Donnadoon Fri 20-Sep-13 20:47:44

Oh yes sorry should have been clearer, dds shoes are pre-walkers for cruising and crawling.

GTbaby Fri 20-Sep-13 20:48:35

Lo has one 3hour nap. I want to try and get it to two. But struggling to find energy to implement.

Shoes-he has a pair of converses. Lol. Never worn. Ill prob buy him some when he starts walking.

Can we talk teeth as well? Brushing teeth to be precise. How often?
As FH does mornings and lets me sleep in he claims to forget.
Lo seems ok with it when I actually do it. Likes taste etc. but is it end of the world if he misses a day?
Just thinking when bump arrives/I get more tiered FH will do morning and sleep time. Do I want to argue about lack of teeth being cleaned?

ChasingDaisy Fri 20-Sep-13 20:53:51

Thank you for shoe feedback. I think I will go with my instincts and leave it as long as possible. I am going to buy a cosy toes for his new stroller (Graco Evo mini) so if he is out that should keep his feet warm and I can't see him walking outside for a long while. He managed one forward crawling step today smile Also, me saying 'cowabunga' induces hilarious laughter, every single time. As does my Compare the Meeekat meerkat. He has a gorgeous giggle.

So, yeah, dropping his third nap seems to be making his night time sleep better and he is easier to get to sleep at night but the last hour before bed has become quite fraught as he is getting very tired. I feel very mean and am questioning whether to bring back the third nap. I might try and encourage him to have a longer second nap. Hmm..thinking to do.

Non-date guy is indeed lovely and yes pass the 'does he, doesn't he' stuff is very exciting. Although can leave me feeling a bit insecure. Am trying to enjoy it for what it is though and make sure that I can be happy without a man so that anything that happens is an added bonus easier said than done

Passmethecrisps Fri 20-Sep-13 21:26:00

Favourite thread ending evar pp!!

Do try to enjoy it chasing. It sounds lovely but what is also lovely is you learning all about yourself and loving what you find.

ChasingDaisy Fri 20-Sep-13 21:28:01

Thanks pass. For the first time, I am actually starting to like myself. I am becoming a nicer person. I have never liked myself before.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 20-Sep-13 21:41:17

chasing two naps here, sometimes one. And leather/suede slippers. Will get her shoes when she walks, so, I think, another few months away. She does have some very fluffy warm outdoor slippers for winter pram walks. At nursery they have six place prams to take even the toddlers out to the fields. Then they let the walkers loose grin

Kirrin Fri 20-Sep-13 21:47:35

Excellent thread ending pidj and I hope the knee is ok

Hope all is well in HK pennie

I had a very similar email when selling my horse box GT and posted a thread on MN to find out what the scam was - I knew it must be a scam as he wanted to pay full price for it unseen and was sending a "man" to pick it up - oh, and he was in the States confused - but I couldn't work out what the scam was. Didn't realise Paypal would just merrily refund a buyer like that - put me off it a bit to be honest.

Kirrinhorse's leg is still broken sad The vet has sent the films off for a second opinion as to whether it needs even more time - it's been 5 months already - or whether its not going to get any better, in which case its horrible decision time sad sad sad

Thanks for the kind words everyone. Still struggling on here although not as bad as I was a couple of days ago. Have booked a GP appointment for end of next week. Implementing a bedtime routine as of tomorrow night with DP's support.

ChasingDaisy Fri 20-Sep-13 21:49:42

Oh poor kirrinhorsey sad

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 20-Sep-13 22:03:42

Oh no kirrinhorse sad

chasing I'm so happy for these lovely positive moments. You know those bad days are crappy little blips don't you?! There's a pattern to them. It's normal, but maybe on a calendar note the good and bad days. Like the wonder app thingy smile

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 20-Sep-13 22:04:21

apple glad you got an appt

Passmethecrisps Fri 20-Sep-13 22:06:06

sad kirrinhorse fingers crossed all goes well

Bless you chasing. You are not becoming nicer - you are just loving what's there. A love affair with you. That should be the relationship we work hardest it.

ChasingDaisy Fri 20-Sep-13 22:13:34


ChasingDaisy Fri 20-Sep-13 22:18:11

Det and VQ, you two have been quiet. You both ok?

BigPigLittlePig Fri 20-Sep-13 22:19:09

Hugs kirrin & apple
Hi-5 chasing
Ice pack and wine for pidj
wine & [chocolate] in anticipation for izzy and whatever the night may hold.

Screamathon tonight, teeth are causing havoc. But a nice and vair civil party for dsd with all her mums family. Piglet now asleep on me in the lounge with me dropping toast crumbs on her head. Reminds me of when I dropped an enormous chocolate coin on her head when she was 2 months or so old blush grin

ChasingDaisy Fri 20-Sep-13 22:22:56

I dropped my phone on Oscar's head when he was about 2 months old blush More than once blush blush

daisychain76 Fri 20-Sep-13 22:26:30

Evening, hadn't thought of shoes. H doesn't even wear socks as he slides about when he crawls with them (he tends to push himself along with his toes) and because no one in our family ever manages a matching pair

Just trying to plan some farm-themed stuff for H's party. Thinking green jelly with animal sweets, a tractor chocolate cake, pin the tail on the donkey and, erm, that's as far as I've got.

Hope everyone gets a decent nights sleep tonight

Sorry to hear about kirrinhorse sad How long before you know?

C has a pair of Clarks shoes that we bought a couple of weeks ago. He's hardly worn them. At £26 it's a bit of a waste until he's walking.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 20-Sep-13 23:31:47

I dropped E at 3 months chasing beat that! I don't think you had joined us back then. Or you pig . Yes, I dropped my baby. On a wooden floor. She landed on her head.

Had to relive that moment today at nursery paed appointment. "Can you run me through any major health issues for the girls?"

Took half an hour of me talking.

I think vq is ok and Detective is definitely ok as she is celebrating winning a cacherel coat on ebay. She got it for a steal, just 10€, the thieving detective. hmm

TheDetective Fri 20-Sep-13 23:52:54


Bargain that coat.

O is going to LOVE it!

I am fine thanks chasing just hating work. Tis all. grin

Today took the biscuit. Put it this way. I was in 5-9pm. So why did I only leave at 9.50?? AFTER the late staff who finish at 9.30 left.........

TheDetective Fri 20-Sep-13 23:53:45

And my dinner - at 10.20pm, was burnt. hmm

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 21-Sep-13 00:04:18

Re naps, it's been a long long time since E has had 3 naps. I try to get her to have two but sometimes it's only just one. She had a grand total of 45 mins nap today. It's so erratic as it depends what we are doing the day. Yesterday she napped from 11-11:45 and then 2:30-4pm.

Had a nice evening having a couple of friends round for dinner and enjoying some wine.

Cant remember for the life of me what else I was going to waffle on about so i will spare you all and just take myself off to bed instead. Night all.

ValiumQueen Sat 21-Sep-13 01:42:05

Another fred! Wow!

Been very busy here, and now J is poorly. DD2 has been unwell with a shocking cough and wheeze, and now J has got it too so I am up with him. Nearly called an ambulance earlier as his breathing was shocking, but it has settled now. I will get him looked at in the morning. The girls used to be rough but nothing like how boy does. Poor wee scrap.

Seems I was right about poor old MIL. Something sinister on the ultrasound so been told it will be a long hard fight. This is what the Dr said to her. Having more tests to confirm what it is and if it is anywhere else.

I did not get the job but neither did anyone else. Seems they have someone lined up for it but had to advertise. Hmm.

J is now loving nursery after a shaky start, and is crawling like a pro and standing up on his own holding onto things. He is eating tons and has halved his milk intake. He is also sleeping much much better. Except tonight, but he is ill.

Big hugs to Izzy as I see from FB that sleep remains an issue. At least he keeps well in himself, although it is unimaginable what it must be like to have poor sleep for so long.

Well I am going to snuggle down with wee Darth as he is asleep in his bouncer. Not had the bouncer out for weeks.

Shoes - I see shoes have been mentioned. I have heard Startright are much better than Clarks, and having got a couple of pairs in charity shops I am inclined to agree. Jacob is now in a pair of 4.5. Just for show really. I have a Clarks foot measure and will intermittently get them measured to ensure that my measuring skills remain. I am not averse to second hand from charity shops or eBay while they are young and shoes have little wear. Once at school though I think it is a bit different as they are in them so much. I ask for money for birthday and Christmas to cover the cost of two new pairs for DD1. I have also been known to sell shoes on at a profit. I do not feel bad about this as the charity benefits when I buy them and the person who buys them off me has not spent weeks trawling the shops for the right size.

Anyhoo, night night quiche. It is my Dads 80th birthday party tomorrow so hopefully I will be able to make at least an appearance. He and his sisters may be in the Daily Mail in a couple of weeks :-)

ValiumQueen Sat 21-Sep-13 06:39:33

Just crawling into bed. Bad night but J seems quite perky this morning.

fruitpastilles Sat 21-Sep-13 07:41:35

Hello quiche, sorry I've been awol this week, I have been busy looking after dp, had to take him to a&e early hours Monday morning, his back was hurting so much he could barely breath. The hospital was rubbish and just said what it wasn't not what it is. He was so dosed up on pain killers that he went straight to work after the hospital and by the time they wore off I had to get a taxi to his work to pick him and the car up as he could barely breath again. So I've been running round after him as well as S while he's been laid up in bed.
Anyhoo - I feel quite mean now, S isn't having a birthday party, we will just take her to our local social club with all of the family, between me and my cousins we have lots of children so it'll feel like a party with them all there anyway, although that's not very different to most weekends haha.

Have slim read but not managed to read properly, so sorry the sleep training didn't work out izzy I was so hopeful after reading about the first night. But as others have said, J will get it when he is ready. I'd leave it a couple of weeks until trying again.
pp soooooo sooooooo pleased about vvvdp's job, when does he start? (Sorry if I've missed that he already has, or that you've already said)
chasing it's lovely to hear you sounding so happy, I loved how you described non date guy. He sounds really special and he is very lucky to have met you!
kyz you are a brilliant mum! E couldn't wish for a better mum, the fact that you are worried about the things you aren't able to do proves that. Please please give yourself a break chick. Loved the fb pic - which also proves that you are a great mum, not that you need proof!
apple sorry to read that you are struggling, I really hope dh is

fruitpastilles Sat 21-Sep-13 07:44:27

Ooops posted to soon!

apple I hope your dh is on board now and will give you the support you need off him. Well done for making the gp appt!
Sorry to hear about kirrinhorsey sad
vq poor J again, there really is no let up is there. Nice to hear apart from his illness he is sleeping better though. Poor mil too.

Right that's all I can remember, sorry for waffling on.

fruitpastilles Sat 21-Sep-13 07:45:32

Oh and I've skim read not slim read ....... Nothing slim about me not even reading grin

fruitpastilles Sat 21-Sep-13 07:48:37

Oh and shoes, S never wear them, I bought her some little boots from tesco yesterday they were only £5 an so cute, just for show though so I'll only put them on her when we go out. I've been wondering about getting her some 'proper' shoes, but she can't walk so I'll wait until she can.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 21-Sep-13 08:06:36

VQ family in the Daily Mail eh? I hope you'll linkie when it comes around.

Morning all. Strange night here. I went to bed late, then couldn't sleep. Unusually for me I was worried about the girls. Mentioning the dropping incident last night and yesterday morning's paed appointment got me all anxious about winter coming. Which is silly because there's not much we can do about that.

fruitpastilles Sat 21-Sep-13 08:11:54

That's understandable though with the shocking winter you had last year ginge

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 21-Sep-13 08:30:57

Well I went from that to going through everything which could go wrong with the kids. Ever. Made myself cry sad sodding periods.

PurplePidjin Sat 21-Sep-13 08:44:10

He starts a week on Monday, he's got a load of holiday to use up.

Knee much better after a cuddle with a hot water bottle and a full night's sleep grin

6:30-5:30, hurrah!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 09:00:22

Morning all.

Have been offline for a couple of days and have just skim read. izzy sounds like you have been having a rough time. I am so sorry. I have no advice but you definitely have my solidarity.

Sorry too about kirrinhorse sad

In brief here we had a coffee incident yesterday. Oliver reached out and pulled a cup of coffee all over him. As luck would have it ( because I was busy hosting a curry night on Thurs and one was not to hand) I had only put a sleep suit on and no vest. S I ripped off the sleep suit and put Oliver in the kitchen sink! We smothered him in sudacream and then aloe jelly and you wouldn't believe it but he was left without a mark. ( mummy nervous wreck though)

Then DS1 trapped his fingers in the door.

Then he stood up and fell on a train!

I am not sure who needed the Friday night glass of wine more me or him.

DH has taken them out for their Saturday morning whatever it is they do. I feel more than ever I need these Sat mornings. I love having them all the time but it is so stretching and tiring. I did used to feel I didn't really deserve them but now I feel I really do.

I need to get a routine going this week and start swimming or something.



Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 09:01:53

Oh vq startright are well worth a few extra pounds. The girls startrights last them a good two or so terms, clarks have fallen to bits before they have got to the end of term 1.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 09:04:41

No mountains today there is a complete blanket of mist. sad

PurplePidjin Sat 21-Sep-13 09:04:58

My mum has offered to buy the First Shoes. I'm very tempted to go for Dr Martens just to piss her off blush

TheDetective Sat 21-Sep-13 09:10:01

O had a bad night. Screaming at regular intervals for no known reason. He does that anyway sometimes but self settles now (since he re-learned it!) so I wasn't used to -- happy about-- getting up in the night again. Grrrr. Got used to longer stretches of sleep again.

Also, shit timing since I only got in from work at 10.15, I only went to bed at 12. There is NO way I can come home from work and go straight to bed. Even when I am on an early the next day. It's impossible. You need time to wind down/eat/get ready for the next day.

So I am a liiiittle grumpy this morning grin.

I did manage to placate O in bed with me for cuddles for half an hour. By the use of in the night garden on my phone. grin

He will not cuddle/lie on bed/ stay still any other way. Needs must, right?!

He is currently posting the thing that you put the stacking rings on through the fire guard. It is currently behind bars on the hearth. FFS. It is his favourite new game. Posting shit through bars. Cot/stairgate/bannister/fire guard. Even the bars on the back of chairs. hmm

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 09:14:37

Massively stressful morning here. O has been whinging non stop since 5.30am. I think he is getting a cold. Of course, he won't cry at all when he is with XP all day and I'm sure he will start up again as soon as he gets back home. I desperately need a break but I have so much housework to do today that I'll be lucky if I get an hour to myself. I just need a break.

ValiumQueen Sat 21-Sep-13 09:16:20

Sophia I am so glad O is ok after that. Enjoy your rest this morning smile

Ginger (((hug))) have you considered something homeopathic for your periods? I need to look into something soon. The ADs help to an extent.

Need to go and rescue Daddy from the kids. I got a couple of hours in before the shouting started.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 09:38:04

Oo I am going the homeopathic route.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 21-Sep-13 09:51:20

vq glad to hear j is doing so well. Sorry he's poorly again though hmm

Poor kirrinhorse hmm

Both girls managed to co-ordinate and give me a lay in this morning which was nice. Been very slovenly and only just finished breakfast. Got a busy day seeing the in laws, then swimming and to my friends so better get my arse into gear. Hope you all have a good day.

Oh and chasing I know it's hard but do less chores and give yourself that break. You need it and it will benefit O more than say the hoovering being done.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 21-Sep-13 09:54:29

sophia E poured a cup of coffee over the other day. Luckily she tipped it to the side as opposed to all over her. I really had that heart in the mouth feeling. So glad O was unharmed. Sudacreme does wonders for things like that.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 21-Sep-13 10:10:10

chasing put your feet up
sophia that must have been frightening, v lucky though

I'm a little sceptical when it comes to alternative medecine I have to admit.

StuntNun Sat 21-Sep-13 10:13:22

Definitely Netflix Sophia.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 10:14:23

Enjoy your day chasing

ginge has worked really well for me wrt regulating my cycle which was all over the shop after I had DS1. I just think that the ultimate origin of drugs is plants etc, so it is just going back to the beginning really but without any dubious chemicals. If it doesn't work, no harm done. Worth a try if you are struggling. I found my actual sessions with the homeopath just as good actually because they really delve into who you are.

Brockle Sat 21-Sep-13 10:23:47

its too early to be at a play gym party just too early sad is it 11 yetkl

MsJupiterJones Sat 21-Sep-13 10:28:00

Hello new thread.

Inspired by VQ I looked on eBay for Clarks foot measure, the going rate seemed to be £6-£9 + £4.50 postage.

Had a quick google and realised Clarks sell them direct for £6 + free P&P.

Just thought I'd share in case anyone else was looking. Hopefully will come in v handy and mean I can buy 2nd hand/ cheaper shoes in the right size!

ValiumQueen Sat 21-Sep-13 10:36:59

JJ I bought a dodgy one off eBay 7 years ago when the going rate was £40 as they were clearly stolen blush I got mine for a few quid as it was listed wrong.

Pikz Sat 21-Sep-13 10:38:53

And look for John Lewis sale. I got some fab cruisers for L for £12 in their sale.

Det L posts everything everywhere... Apparently best game.

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ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 10:57:14

So, O has got a cold. So have I. I'm grumpy. I really want a sofa day but there is so much to do and I'll never manage to get it done when Oscar is here so I won't get my rest. Yes, I'm feeling sorry for myself today.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 11:02:54

What was that about? Above?

How would I slow cook a joint of beef do you think?

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 21-Sep-13 11:14:46

Did we get spammed? Anyone see the message?

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 11:15:18

I didn't see it. Must have gone quickly.

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 11:15:49

Erm, slowly Sophia?


Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 11:16:42


Pikz Sat 21-Sep-13 11:19:51

What kind of joint Sophia?

ValiumQueen Sat 21-Sep-13 11:42:39

Slow cooker Sophia? Or wrap tightly in foil and place in a low oven for a long time. Or Google. You cannot really go wrong with beef thankfully.

ValiumQueen Sat 21-Sep-13 11:43:56

J has just bitten my leg and drawn blood. Not impressed my son. Not impressed at all.

Passmethecrisps Sat 21-Sep-13 12:08:01

Just been out in the car trying to get p to sleep for an hour. We have a lunch date when she normally naps and she only managed 30 mins this morning. I can see this is going to go well .

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 12:28:19

Not a great day quiche wide it seems. When the babies are in bed tonight let's all meet back here for a moan. I have chocolate, matchmakers, popcorn and wine

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 12:28:48

It a big bit of silverside. I have a slow cooker section on my new oven. So I thought I would try tomorrow.

I decided to do the weekly meat deal at the butchers. So you get a selection of stuff for £20, they give you a list and you can choose which selection you have, which helps me as I like to meal plan. Then the fifth time you do it you get it free.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 12:29:53

You never know pass the company might keep her going.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 12:42:16


Netflix or LOVEFILM?

Hello fred and quiche!

Have been absent from the thread for AGES but saw a shiny new one today so thought I'd attempt to keep up again, I've missed the chat on here! Thank you all for the advice on FB with regards to planning for weaning babylaughalot off bf. I'm taking her down to 3 feeds a day from today to see how she gets on. She will drink water easily and I'm wondering whether to introduce a cup of juice at some point in the day, maybe apple juice?

Sophia we have Netflix and love it. It's particularly good if you like TV series, you can binge on so many! They both do a months free trial so why not try the both out then you can decide which one provides the best content for you. DP has agreed that when we move (in 2 weeks, eek!) he's doing to ditch our Sky subscription, which at £65 per month is a no brainer compared to £5.99 for Netflix.

<waves> It's good to be back! grin

MissMummy1 Sat 21-Sep-13 13:27:19

I'm here. Just seem to have less and less time to post, but I am skim reading every night!

Sorry to hear about your horse kirrin

Izzy I am so so sorry night times are disastrous. Are you sticking with sleep training for now in the hope he will improve?

Sophia we also sacked sky and got Netflix. I have cancelled it at the moment after a tricky few months over summer but it is great in so far as you aren't stuck in a contract and can take out a month whenever!

Ginger (sorry I can't help myself!) I have caught myself the last few nights staying up worrying about all sorts of things happening to M. It is horrible. Go easy on yourself. x

After reading of izzy's sleep issues I feel really guilty typing this, but bedtime routine and a little sleep training has worked real miracles here. So, our bedtime routine is going like this (it starts anywhere between 6.30pm and 7.30pm)

Dog walk, bath, teeth jammies and sleep pod, 15 mins of stories, bottle and sleep.

The latter bit is a bit tricksy as she has a habit of falling asleep on her bottle then waking screaming when we put her in her cot. DP's attitude to this was to take her downstairs and let her play until we go to bed hmm but I have persevered the past 3 nights, with lots of rocking/shushing/etc - and last night leaving her to cry for literally 3 minutes - and she has gone down.

Now this is the really miraculous bit. She has stayed down!! Until 8.15am, 8.30am and 9am respectively!! I have not, paranoidly watching her on the monitor every hour, but she can sleep! Adding further weight to my theory that DP imagines her waking.

Last night my sister babysat while I worked. I wrote the routine out for her and she stuck to it, I only had to finish the rock/shushing - and this was when I left her to self settle - when I got home at 8.30pm. Amazing.

Pikz Sat 21-Sep-13 14:36:04

Can someone please stop L trying to fly continuously. It's exhausting.

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 15:20:43

I hate having nobody to spend my Saturdays with. It's depressing.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sat 21-Sep-13 15:50:50

I got half way. Toe v sore indeed. Could have continued but toe and fitness pace would have made it extremely slow and we had a safety related deadline which I couldn't have met. I would have liked to have tried but this was the safer, sensible option.

Am gutted but ok. Still higher than I have been, and the way down showed me what I had managed. Toe doesn't look too horrific but I can't bear anything touching it.

Waiting for my amazing friends now. Overall a fantastic day and I will be back, better prepared and in better shape and not with a shitty infected toe.

Will catch up properly when I can.

Much love quiche.

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 17:43:13

I hate XP. Hate him. He was here 2 mins dropping O off and managed to make me cry. I hate him.

ditsygem Sat 21-Sep-13 17:48:45

hugs Chasing try not to let him get to you. What did he do? have a wine and remember how much better off you are without him.

MissMummy1 Sat 21-Sep-13 17:55:19

Fucker chasing what has he done?!

madame - you bloody well should be proud of yourself, you've done amazingly!! <waves at you on your return flight from under the big red bridge> Oh and get that toe sorted!

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 17:55:34

He was just snappy and argumentative. My whole life used to be like that.

PurplePidjin Sat 21-Sep-13 17:56:56

Evening all wine

I have skimmed but got nowt useful to say as always

Well done Madane thanks

Got R some lovely clothes in h+m, gap and next sales today. 4 next tee shirts £4.50 in plain green, yellow, turquoise and pink. Tbh I'd have paid the £9 if I'd ever actually seen them in store hmm

PurplePidjin Sat 21-Sep-13 17:57:52


Passmethecrisps Sat 21-Sep-13 19:26:11

<< chasing >> try to focus on the fact that you can now shut the door on him and get on with the rest of your evening. And your Saturdays won't always be lonely.

Good attempt madam!

Lunch went well in the end. P was her usual self. She has been very off food and milk today. She has hardly eaten or drank anything. Generally though she seems fine. I took a vid of her walking this evening. At lunch she was full on showing off and I caught her walking the full lengthy of her bedroom after the vid

MissMummy1 Sat 21-Sep-13 20:10:15

I don't want to tempt fate, but we have just had the most successful bedtime to date. Asleep in under an hour with no tears, hoorah!

izzy I just wanted to suggest, is there anyway your DH can take over bedtime for a while? P has been doing it here for the past 3/4 months and it has been an utter disaster. Every night is a massive fight - never in bed before 10.30pm and always followed by multiple wakenings. He went onto nights at work for the first time since June on Thursday and I have done solo bedtimes since then, with a very strict routine. A small amount of CC when needed but mainly just sticking to a new routine and not giving in like P does. I wondered tonight if having someone other than you would help J? Like M with her dad, she has been used to playing up for so long that fighting sleep and getting back up to play was a routine for her. I am rambling, but what I am trying to say is can he take over and give you a break? And give J a fresh, new, no nonsense routine for a few nights to break the cycle? And give you a much needed rest!!

PS Hope your sale went well today and you made lots of moneys smile

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 20:11:49

OK, we are very fortunate in that this is Oscar's first cold, but I have just realised that I have no idea how to deal with it... He has just woken himself up sneezing and needed cuddling back to sleep. He sounds really snotty bless him. So, what can I expect and what do I need to do to help him get better? I'm actually clueless.

Passmethecrisps Sat 21-Sep-13 20:19:06

chasing I have a menthol vaporiser thing which plugs in. It gives 8 hours of menthol and seemed to make a massive difference. Also snuffle babes on her chest and or feet. He might need a wee drink of water in the night. Does he use a dummy? I found the dummy a real help actually as it helps them breathe

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 20:20:01

Awake again...this is going to be a long night...

Passmethecrisps Sat 21-Sep-13 20:20:52

And p'a colds last two days or so. It will totally depend on the cold bug and wee O's ability to fight it off. As he has had no illness he should be fighting fit in no time

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 20:27:49

Thanks pass, I'll keep him cosy at home for the next few days. He settled himself back to sleep this time, bless him. I'll try and get hold of some rub and a vaporiser tomorrow. He doesn't use a dummy.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 21-Sep-13 20:40:58

chasing if you shove a rolled up towel under his mattress so his head is lifted slightly it will help him breathe more easily. Saline solution squirted up the nostrils will help keep it clean too. Good luck. We've all still got colds too.

MsJupiterJones Sat 21-Sep-13 20:46:43

If you don't have a vaporiser and he is struggling tonight, a bowl of hot water with some Vicks or olbas oil in helps.

Even just a bowl of hot water will help a bit due to the steam. Just don't tread in it!

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 20:56:13

Thanks everyone. He's a trooper. I'm not. I hate being ill. Next wake up I'll pop a towel under his mattress and I've got a bottle of water in the fridge for him.

An old flame from uni has been messaging me tonight, asking if I'm ok. I know he just wants to try and sleep with me again but it has been nice to have the conversation.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 21-Sep-13 21:08:44

Chasing what a total cunt. I hope you can take a small amount of positivity though in knowing that that was a mere 2 minutes of your day. As opposed to weeks and months. I do poos that take longer grin tmi?? As to the cold, yes to propping cot. F has to sleep sat up when she's at her snottiest. And don't worry about food too much if he's off it - a few days of milk and minimal grub won't matter in the grand scheme of things.

MM glad you have bedtime cracked, what a relief!

Well done madam - I tried to climb up one of the New Zealand glaciers with an ingrown toenail. Had paid so battled on, but bloody hell it was sore. Definitely something I would not be in a hurry to repeat! But well done, hope you had some clear weather so you could appreciate the views.

VQ sorry to hear J is poorly again sad - although evidently well enough to gnaw on some flesh!? Wee bugger.

Loved seeing the video of wee P - I still can't believe some of the babies are walking.

We've had an exhausting but lovely lovely day. It was dsds 6th birthday - so all the excitement of presents over breakfast, trying out the new roller skates (hairy, dicey, heart-in-mouth etc etc), lunch with my parents & brother, walk in the woods with a napping baby, BBQ birthday tea with my family plus the ILs. And F has been a total superstar. She has smiled and cooed and cuddled and kissed all day long. We played crawling catch - much hilarity and chuckles as she scuttles away. And she tried melted marshmallows - what A Treat. Her face basically said "mummy, why have you kept these delicious things from me for 10 months? and fed me things like spaghetti bolognese, and sandwiches, and tomatoes? when there are marshmallows in the world?!" And at bedtime, she was so pooped that she literally flaked out with a genteel sigh when her head hit the pillow.

Currently crashed out myself on the sofa whilst dsd and her "bf" are watching Elf!?

GTbaby Sat 21-Sep-13 21:12:44

Ginger does your lo sleep in same spot all night. Was just thinking I should have elevated LOs bed when he was sick. Then thought about which side his head is usually on... He moves all night, at times side ways as well as length ways.

Question. Do contractions start off short and far apart. Then end up short and closer together. Not having any. Just wondering.
Also. If my waters break "gush style" would I have time for a shower first ? Contractions n pain allowing? Realising how clueless I am. blush

YellowWellies Sat 21-Sep-13 21:15:46

Chasing am so glad you're out of that shit. A few months ago he was making you feel that shit full time - well done you on getting free.

MM amazing news on bedtimes and kick your DP and his confidence undermining 'I'm a better parent and Tilly loves me more' ways when he gets in from work. Do a proud dance who can get her to sleep? Her Mumma smile

Having an amazing time in the lakes. DH and I missing living in the boonies. though next time it'll be in the mountains not on a windswept rock Bear has been amazing and did 12 hours between the car and a strange cot last night. The cottage is open plan and he's been zooming around like a crawly giggling Ferrari. More weekends away please.

Madame you kick ass love - half way up Ben Nevis injured? Amazeballs! Pour yourself a wine and feel rightly proud.

Pass lovely video! grin

BigPigLittlePig Sat 21-Sep-13 21:16:05

Oh gosh GT what things to have to consider! My waters breaking was the first thing of labour I knew. And there were, erm, many hours between that and F. I think if your contractions are still fairly spaced apart then you should be fine. I would be guided by that probably. And as time goes on, the contractions get longer and stronger and closer together unless your me when the fuckers virtually stopped but that was because of the bowling ball bladder I needed to empty So yes, remember also to pee grin Eeeep it's so close!

YellowWellies Sat 21-Sep-13 21:21:06

GT my contractions broke gush style and I had time for a cuppa and breakfast. Had to head to the hospital early as I was only 35+6 and I was told I might need to be air ambulanced. Don't feel you'd need to rush for a shower though - I actually had one at about 6-7cm dilated in the hospital it was lovely pain relief.

YellowWellies Sat 21-Sep-13 21:22:35

I had 22 hours between waters going and Jonas arriving BTW!

MissMummy1 Sat 21-Sep-13 21:24:37

So glad you are having a great holiday YW ! I cannot WAIT to meet Betsy next week grin although after his good behaviour on your visit, Aulay has been an utter bollocks today, boundary testing toddler puppy much?

GT my labour started with many very fucking many hours of really irrational contractions. Anything between 2 mins and 30 mins apart. On reflection, I think I was in pre-labour for about a week before this given my complete inability to walk the length of myself and sporadic contraction-like pains. Oh and my waters broke about an hour before Tilly actually appeared!

BigPigLittlePig Sat 21-Sep-13 21:24:52

YW I was 35+6 too. Your mws were clearly nicer than mine, as they wouldn't let me off the fecking ctg machine! A shower?! No bloomin' chance. Although was probs because they kept muttering about the "size of the baby" hmm

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 21:27:16

GT I was induced so slightly different, but my waters went with a gush, 3 hours after the pessary. My contractions got pretty intense straight away and O was born 7.5 hours later. But I think the pessary made things move faster than they otherwise would have. I was 39+3.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 21-Sep-13 21:30:31

GT I know this is absoutley no help to you whatsoever but everyone labours differently and every pregnancy leads to a different labour (ish). Both E and DD1 were born about 40 mins after my waters broke so no time for me to shower. In fact at any point during my labours showering was the last thing on my mind! If I recall the contractions got longer and the gaps shorter as I got nearer to delivering. You seem to be quite anxious about labour, which is a normal feeling. But I think once you actually go into labour you stop stressing and something inside you kicks in and you just get on with it iyswim. As bplp said be guided by your contractions. So exciting grin.

YellowWellies Sat 21-Sep-13 21:30:59

BP I seriously think someone should set up a maternity tourism business to Kirkwall - the service was awesome and unpressured in the way that only a hospital with 80 births a year can be, given how shit the weather can be ie too windy for the air ambulance - the staff have to be able to handle anything.

I swear there's a tawny owl like 10 yards away. DH and I sat on moonlit verandah, listening to the beck rushing past and drinking wine. Tis lush.

GTbaby Sat 21-Sep-13 21:46:27

Thank you ladies. I know it changes with every person n birth.
But I think all this pregnancy I assumed my OC would be bad enough to be induced. So I'd have a mw telling me what's going on.

And now I doubt I'll be induced, unless I hit 41+6 at which point they will induce me. Pls pls pls I can't be preg for another 3weeks!

I don't feel like I experienced birth really last time. Although I'm not disappointed with my experience. Just don't feel like I know what to expect.
Last time I got to about 4cm but nothing I could identify as contractions. Just constant uncomfortable feeling.

I am however considering giving you minute by minute updates. shock Lol. Part of me thinks its a nice thing to read back. But also think it will be a bit mean. As at some point ill go silent and distract you all with my birth. Lol.

Come on baby. We all want you out.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 21:56:05

gt I had a long latent phase with DCs 2 and 4, irregular contractions, but definitely contractions, for about 3 days until things started to get regular and things stared moving. They were ok, I could chat through them and go for a walk, more like strong period pains. But I knew they were it. All mine came quite quick after waters breaking but then you could turn it round and say my waters tended to break late on, close to delivery. It is scary not knowing, but even if things had gone to plan last time things could still manifest differently this time.

Keepus posted. Xx

chasing twat face. And remember to keep your head on with university boy, you have been so focused lately it's fab. Saturday seems to be your weak point, but remember you work hard caring for O 6 days and nights a week, a day to refresh yourself is important. Xx

MissMummy1 Sat 21-Sep-13 21:57:15

YY to live labour fred!

slaps broodiness out of self

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 22:00:37

Also, my memory might serve me wrong, but don't they advise against showering/ bathing after waters have broken because once they have broken there is a risk of infection.

Or something like that hmm

BigPigLittlePig Sat 21-Sep-13 22:01:29

Yes do it GT! I missed all this the first time around as was too busy reading the funny birth story freds to take away the fear blush used to drive dh demented by chuckling to myself on the sofa although would have ended up in the wrong group if I'd joined antenatally. Anyway. Please update us with all the gory details! On the subject if joining the fred - ginge I do recall the droopping-the-baby-on-the-head incident. Think I discovered you lot in most active in early Jan...

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 21-Sep-13 22:01:31

Another Yes vote from the fairy camp, to live birth thread!

ChasingDaisy Sat 21-Sep-13 22:05:43

Yes to live birth thread!

pig, snap. I would have been on the Dec thread had I joined before O was born.

sophia you are very right in that Saturday is my weak point. When I stop rushing round I find I think too much. I am constantly on the go 6 days a week so it is a bit of a shock to the system. And don't worry, my head is screwed on with uni guy. I would never go there again.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 21-Sep-13 22:12:52

Ah well the Dec thread wouldn't have been all that bad then chasing wink I can v much remember gatecrashing and this feeling of total relief that there were other sofa-pinned, sleep-deprived, reflux-discovering mummies. I can also remember having to catch up on 100+ messages each morning from overnight. Quite glad you're not all that chatty now grin

MissMummy1 Sat 21-Sep-13 22:14:13

Had I joined after M was born, I would have been camp December confused

Kirrin Sat 21-Sep-13 22:14:30

Sorry about your MIL VQ - fingers crossed for her.
Glad J is settled at nursery now.

N has no proper shoes yet as she is only crawling, it she does have some fake leather slipper type things that are quite cute.

How is DP dong now fruit That must have been a worry. is it the pain making his breathing hard?

Blimey sophia - you had a bit of a morning didn't you? Glad the coffee incident ended well.

Well done madame Sorry you didn't finish it, but given the circumstances you did well. Many would not have even tried.

chasing sad You are doing so well. Don't let that fucker bring you down. ((Hugs))

izzy I think MM might be on to something there a it was DP dong bedtime for a few nights that got N sleeping in her cot and then through the night a bit longer. Not sure what the difference was by she wouldn't do it for me.

Glad you're having a good weekend away YW - sounds lovely

GT bear in mind second labours can often be quicker. I had on off contractions with DD1 overnight, proper regular contractions from about noon the next day and she was finally just before mid-night. With N, same on off ones over night, but for stronger by 6ish so I had a quick shower and set of for the hospital 15 minutes away. I only just made it.
And a live birth thread would be great smile

GTbaby Sat 21-Sep-13 22:21:37

I will delight you with all the details. If nothing else it might put us back in most active for a bit grin

need to find the funny birth story threads!

Fairy I was told yes to shower no to bath.

Chasing. If I may add. You only had to endure him for 2mins. Then he left. Then he had to leave his son and your beautiful home. You have won. You have control over your life now. Keep thinking... It was only two minutes.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 21-Sep-13 22:31:45

GT I get all butterflies and excitement when I think of your nearly-arrived new arrival. I shall be sat here whacking F5 every minute so often when you tell us the news grin. Funny birth thread are frickin hilarious if you can find them!

PurplePidjin Sat 21-Sep-13 23:30:17

GT if waters go before contractions, you go in to be checked. Well, i was told to. 38+1 and my cx started in the car. He arrived 34 hours later with the help of syntocin(on? Sp! The induction stuff) as there's a risk of infection if you haven't given birth after 24 hours. I had a bath which was lovely but slowed things down hmm

The December lot are lovely (R's original due date was 2/12 so I've been there from the start) but not as busy as here.

Olbas oil on a muslin tied to the cot works here. When he was tiny i put a drop on the nose of his cuddly dog!

I can't believe i have the same baby. Down without a whimper at 6:07, self-settle at 9:45. What's he plotting hmm

PennieLane Sun 22-Sep-13 05:44:42

Thanks for your thoughts. Storm not here yet, quite looking forward to enjoying the sight from the 32nd floor though will be annoyed at having to stay inside. Just like a rainy London day at moment-relief from temps in high 30s. We're finally over jet leg. We're settling nicely and mainly enjoying the delicious food!

Naps. M has 1 hr 10.30-11.30 and one 2-3/3.30 and generally sleeps 12 hours straight through. Will proves drop AM nap at 1 years old. She will now only sleep in sling or cot which is annoying as used to only be pram. Annoying for different reasons. She's walking, so we bought her shoes but only when she was properly walking outside unaided. We went for Startrite. Apparently it's better to be shoeless for as long as possible.

Everyone seems to be having a shit time and sorry to gear about all the colds. It's really tough. Second oblas oil and snuffle baby, work v well. We have tooth no. 3 here and no. 4/5/6 v clearly nearly through. All top ones. Feels like she's really growing up.

My waters broke 30 mins before M arrived, it was the only reason I went to hospital! Contractions hadn't started.

Anyone heard from fatima?

PennieLane Sun 22-Sep-13 05:46:16

Sorry for typos!

YY to live birth thread!!

People have started taping windows up. Maybe we should be more bothered about the storm!

Lily311 Sun 22-Sep-13 06:23:05

25 hours of labour here. Contractions were 4-5 min apart for 18 hours, water went when they broke it. I had a back to back labour and O was born 1 hour after they gave me epidural.

We have cruiser shoes and she loves them. They are pink,and soft.

A friend is here, leaving tonight. We had fun last night at the wine festival, I have headache. She is a pro at flirting, I should really learn some lessons.

PurplePidjin Sun 22-Sep-13 07:31:11

Wake up at 12 for calpol/nappy then awake for the day at 4:45 sad

Pennie, be careful thanks

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sun 22-Sep-13 07:41:06

Take care pennie

LO woke screaming at midnight. Took about 40 minutes to calm her down. Nightmare or tooth? Or both? Seems fine this morning.

YellowWellies Sun 22-Sep-13 08:06:22

No shoes here and there won't be til he's walking. I'm from Yorkshire and don't do unnecessary expense! grin

Pennie listen to HKO advice on TV - super typhoons are shock shock shock shock .

Sophia I was allowed both shower and birthpool after my waters went? Wonder if it's cos they went naturally?

Passmethecrisps Sun 22-Sep-13 08:06:28


Super fast question

If I make p meatballs with pork and beef - what do I use instead of egg as a binding agent?

Also, anyone got some ideas for a squash and sweet potato curry for the wee ones?

MissMummy1 Sun 22-Sep-13 08:12:36

I dont know whether to be alarmed that DP managed to sneak in at 1am without waking me,M or A up. Or just pleased he didnt wake any of us up? Either way, M slept from 8 till 7.40am. I am sooo pleased we seem to have this sussed (and wish I could get her to give certain quiche babeez a pep talk!)

Take care pennie

fruitpastilles Sun 22-Sep-13 08:59:09

Woohoo for a sleeping M mm now you just need to make sure dp sticks to the routine if he takes over nights once he's finished his night shifts.
S has been sleeping in her travel cot in our room the past few nights while her room is being decorated, I can't wait it get her back in her own room and sort her sleep out, it went to shit just before she came in our room, but we do finally have teefs! One I can feel has cut but I can't see it, and a second has very nearly cut, so that along with regression seems to explain it. She's in the habit of waking and me bringing her in our bed now though which I never did before so need to get her out of the habit.

Live birth thread would be brill gt I can't believe how quick it seems to have come round!

chasing xp is an utter cunt, I bet you loved closing the door behind him, knowing you haven't got to see him for a whole week.

yw sounds like your having a lovely time. Dp is off this week, we were going to get away but his back has scuppered that hmm

fruitpastilles Sun 22-Sep-13 09:03:15

pass I've just read that cooked rice makes a good substitute! or mashed potatoes (not sure if that would go with meatballs) or tomato paste?

fruitpastilles Sun 22-Sep-13 09:05:25

Or breadcrumbs

StuntNun Sun 22-Sep-13 09:37:20

I had no waters when I went into labour. I didn't have a gush or a trickle so I have no idea where, or when, they went!

Kirrin Sun 22-Sep-13 10:03:13

I don't know what happened to my waters either!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sun 22-Sep-13 11:02:57

My waters were broken manually. I remember when she came at me with the water popper implement being very glad for the epidural grin They came out with a gush but she had put something round the end of my bed to mop it up. I had thought the mucous plug was the waters. I had no preparation for the birth as up until a week or so before DD1 was breech, so I was supposed to have an ELCS but it was cancelled at the last minute. I often wonder how different everything would have been if I had insisted on going ahead with the ELCS.

wellieboots Sun 22-Sep-13 11:09:05

GT my waters broke before contractions started. I had to go in to be checked for a couple of hours, then came home. Contractions started about 3 hours after I got home, and by late afternoon were about 6 mins apart and lasting about 30 secs. From there they got closer and longer until the end. But everyone's different and you will manage it in your own way. We will all be rooting for you. So exciting!grin

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 22-Sep-13 12:13:32

mm I'm not sure DH doing bedtime for the next wee while will help anything as if anything j was worse the night he tried the routine and the CC. Plus there's the fact that my surgery is upcoming and I simply cannot have him doing bedtime for a good while now when he will need to do so much for me after the surgery. I'm literally not allowed to lift j for 12weeks.

Sleep is still a nightmare, he was still awake at midnight last night! I haven't had a chance to read the no cry sleep solution yet but will do soon hopefully.

Special thanks to bplp for taking the time to PM a proposed routine.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 22-Sep-13 15:38:45

Heaven is - both girls asleep on the sofa, tea in the oven and complete silence grin

ChasingDaisy Sun 22-Sep-13 15:58:28

Sounds lovely pig. I have a sleeping boy and for once I am allowing myself to relax on the sofa. Today is another low day, but the lows aren't as low as a few weeks ago, so that's progress. I think I am also PMT-ing which doesn't help.

fruitpastilles Sun 22-Sep-13 16:01:08

I wish my tea was in the oven,
I keep telling dp to put the meat in and he keeps telling me to do it hmm looks like there won't be any tea in the fruit house tonight we're both as stubborn as each other.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sun 22-Sep-13 16:46:15

Baked a batch of biscuits and the neighbours' kids turned up to play with the dog and ate them all sad Also ended up agreeing to let them come on dog walks with me when they are around during the week and at weekends. I'm not good with other people's kids. They were here four hours. I'm knackered and neither of the girls have napped and are cranky little buggers right now. Tonight will be pasta carbonara. Easiest dish and comforting when knackered.

GTbaby Sun 22-Sep-13 18:10:08

Scared mum n sis as they thought I must be in labour. Unable to contact me for two hours stressed them out. I was only napping!

Bryzoan Sun 22-Sep-13 18:15:31

Grumpy kids here too. Loads of dodgy nappies this week and dd spent yesterday throwing up. G is streaming with snot and redefining clingy. Dh is busy at work so has been out all weekend. And I have a dentist appt tomorrow for a filling.

Well done on your climb madame - very impressed :-) am sure you will ace it next time when your toe is healed.

Bryzoan Sun 22-Sep-13 18:16:09

That is quite funny gt!

PurplePidjin Sun 22-Sep-13 19:02:38

Peaches you're mad!

Went shopping with a mate today and got R's birthday presents - a foam jigsaw playmat with a town on, and a musical activity table. He's having them now to replace the outgrown dj booth and because there'll be an over load of stuff all at once for his actual birthday. He needs a new "big" toy now, that's safe to cruise around!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sun 22-Sep-13 19:29:39

I'm just aware that the neighbours have found me unusually shouty a little unhinged strange this year so am trying to be nice to them all. And since the grown ups hardly say hello to me anymore I'm making an effort with the kids.

GTbaby Sun 22-Sep-13 19:54:22

Good strategy peaches. Sry just remembered you don't like ginger.

Just got cramps sensation. Thought shock then remember its constipation.

Can you tell I'm bored?

MissMummy1 Sun 22-Sep-13 20:11:04

Chinese ordered. Necessary after a disaster bed time and the realisation that my slow cooked venison stew has not been slow cooking angry fucking p switched my slow cooker off by mistake

He is also not going to work till 1am as his boat is fucked. As a result, bedtime ended in tears and wails of 'dadadada' over the monitor angry angry angry

Other than that it has been a nice sunday smile

peaches myneighbours have witnessed me having several meltdowns blush

TheDetective Sun 22-Sep-13 20:25:11

Bottle at bedtime skipped.

O doesn't want milk. He wants to suck. But not a dummy. Either a bottle (with or without milk!) or a muslin cloth.

He fell asleep in 2 seconds of muslin sucking as I was still buttoning up the growbag confused.

Looks like we are off to the GP for a px of calcium drops tomorrow. Well, DP is. I'm at work. sad

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sun 22-Sep-13 20:28:17

Just home to tidy house, nursery bags packed, washing done, kids asleep, and an Indian food order en route. DH has been fab while I was away. Bless him. He might earn a shag v like pidj's vvvDP.

Sorry to hear of snotty, teething non-sleeping babies.

GT I am looking forward to the live birth updates!

BigPigLittlePig Sun 22-Sep-13 20:43:25

Det I am blaming O and his bottle-dodging tendencies for influencing F. She has gone from 3x 8oz bottles a day, to <drumroll> nothing in the morning. Maybe 5oz after lunch. And 6oz at bedtime. WTF? 3 days ago she was having 3 full bottles. I mean I know this is supposed to happen but was expecting it to be a little more gradual. Still, she is eating like a total pig so it's all good. It felt very strange only making one bottle to send to nursery tomorrow. I shall also be ringing the GP for some calcium drops tomorrow!

Peaches I didn't know you didn't like being called ginger. I apologise for the multiple times I have called you ginge blush

Chasing lovely to hear that the down days aren't so down as they once were.

Back to work tomorrow, with painkillers and mouthwash. Not sure what it will be like, shall attempt to avoid conversation hmm

YellowWellies Sun 22-Sep-13 20:48:12

Home with pup. She's safely in her den. Breeders reckon being the last to collect a pup is smart as she's had four nights sleeping on her own so shouldn't cry. Hmmmm hmm we'll see. She's already peed on the carpet! She's very lovely. smile

ChasingDaisy Sun 22-Sep-13 20:52:26

Yay for YellowPup!

Oscar is a trooper. He keeps sneezing himself awake, having a little cry and self settling back to sleep. He ended up sleeping through until 6 last night.

Quick cooking question: Me and O share meals and we both like stir fry. But I've been serving it without a sauce as everything I would usually have would be too salty. Any suggestions for an Oscar friendly stir fry sauce I can make?

Hi all

Another fred (!!) I still need to catch up.

I'm still here though, thank you pennielane for asking after me smile

Struggling a bit today and sometimes when I post I feel a bit ignored, but I know that's just me being stupid and the thread being fast moving. I'm ok though, will snap out of it tomorrow i'm sure.

Going to try catch up and post properly later, probably when I'm feeling less glum grin

Hope everyone else is ok?

GTbaby Sun 22-Sep-13 21:00:15

Madam I'm sure there will be lots of false starts hmm

Chasing what do you use currently. Can't you stir fry the veg. Take his out, then add your sauce? Gives his food a chance to cool down?
I'm not a stir fry expert lol. I used to use just soya sauce or pre made sauce. But haven't made one in ages.

Kirrin Sun 22-Sep-13 21:02:07

Welcome to your new home YWdog smile

I am very glad of late that we have no neighbours within earshot - shouty doesn't cover it some days blush

Indian here tonight too - but no slow cooker mishaps to blame it on!

Glad things seem better chasing

Hope it's ok at work tomorrow bplp

GTbaby Sun 22-Sep-13 21:03:20

Hello Fatima. I was also not posting because it got so fast.
It's now very quite. Good and bad points there.

Come out lurkers! Just say hi so we know your still there! No need to name check, comment or justify. Just say hello. Been a while since I have done the lurkers shout out so give me results ladies grin

MissMummy1 Sun 22-Sep-13 21:05:24

Yaaaay for Betsy !!! (hate to break it to you, we collected A last and he cried howled for 2 nights - duvet over crate!)

Hi fatima smile xx

Kirrin Sun 22-Sep-13 21:07:44

Cross post fatima I know what you mean about feeling ignored but this thread does move so fast and I think with lots of us back at work etc etc a lot of us are on skim read and quick post schedules. It's nice to see you back, hope you feel better soon thanks Is there anything in particular wrong?

Passmethecrisps Sun 22-Sep-13 21:08:11

Hia fatima! I think we have all felt like that. It can be really hard when having a baby makes you feel a bit invisible anyway. Or is that just me? Hope you feel better very soon.

Enjoy your takeaways mm and madam.

P has been totally off solids for two days. Cries when she has it in her mouth. I presume her mouth is sore. Poor wee soul as she is bright as a button every other time.

chasing what about a satay sauce? Made with peanut butter. A wee drop should be fine.

Passmethecrisps Sun 22-Sep-13 21:09:07

Oh and quiche hug for Betsy!!! Omg! Puppy!

BigPigLittlePig Sun 22-Sep-13 21:13:02

GT when you've had the baby, can we look forward to your rambling dead-of-night comedy posts again?? I used to love those!

How exciting YW - hope tonight goes well for you all, and no more carpet incidents.

Chasing I would just give O dry stir fry. That sounds awful doesn't it. Or water down a bit at the end for him so he gets a little taste without the salt?

Hello fatima <waves> Hope you're glumness dissipates soon smile

My db, who is beyond lovely and chronically single has vair excitingly possibly met someone....well they've never met in the flesh but met online and spent 2 hours on the phone today. Have never heard him sound so excited about a girl before so am desperately hoping it turns out well for him. Lots of quichey crossed fingers should help grin

BigPigLittlePig Sun 22-Sep-13 21:14:00

Oh yes YW - am waiting for a fb photo please don't think I've missed one already have I??

ChasingDaisy Sun 22-Sep-13 21:15:49

pass XP is allergic to peanuts so that is a no go here. Good idea GT, not quite sure why I didn't think of that blush

Anyone seen the SMA advert? That is totally me. I forget sometimes that all other mums must feel as frazzled as me during the day. Must make some more mum friends.

fatima I think we can all feel like that from time to time. It was so much easier to tell to everyone when I was sofa pinned all day! But even if people don't reply, I can say for certain that what you write will be read. If that makes sense.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sun 22-Sep-13 21:16:13

Hey kirrin and fatima gringrin

YellowWellies Sun 22-Sep-13 21:16:28

Well she's down in her den and if she's crying I can't hear. I can do CIO for puppies not babies grin . There is now two bitches in our house init grin . I is top bitch init.

Fatima, Kirrin <cuffs heads affectionately> we luffs you lots but I personally have the memory of a sieve and when posting on the tablet can't scroll back to remind myself who said what, midpost. So if I've ever made you feel ignored I'm very sorry blush .

Ahh thank you everyone for the 'hellos' smile That's made me feel a lot better already. I know it's not me and the thread moves fast, and I know a lot of people have things going on.
What passme said struck a chord, I think I'm feeling a bit invisible. Don't really know how to articulate my glumness, just feel a bit stuck in a rut and bored with some of the mundaneness. I think it's just a low day though, tomorrow is a new day smile

M on the other hand is fab, although a bit of a handful. Her toy of choice today was a plastic sieve, she's been sticking her face in to it! Mad child.
She's learnt lots of new tricks this weekend, shakes her head when you say no, lifts blankets over her face to play peekaboo, does 'so big', says 'ta' when you give/she gives you things.... Can't believe how much she's growing up.

On another note, I have a voucher for 20% off M&S online that can be used four times if anyone wants a code? Has to be used tomorrow and only on clothes, beauty, household things

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sun 22-Sep-13 21:29:00

fatima S loves all kitchen utensils too. The sieve is a hit but nothing compares to the fish slice. He luffs it. Tears when it's time to let go. Lunatic.

GTbaby Sun 22-Sep-13 21:33:33

BP not sure ill return to middle if the night ramblings. Firstly cos i gave up on my 2post limit crusade. It's to quiet for that now.
Can you believe I only learnt diff between quite and quiet a few months ago? please hope I used it correctly above lol
Secondly think my insomnia is caused by my miss timed day time naps. And I'm not getting as many naps now. And when I do I still manage to sleep at night. I'm fully aware or have just realised some of my recent posts contradict this.

Also FH is stepping up a lot ATM. So can't post about his twatishness.

Could complain about my piles but that's a bit blush

All I have left is moaning about being sick of being pregnant. Never been this preg before. Imagin another three weeks of waiting for my live thread.

Passmethecrisps Sun 22-Sep-13 21:41:29

fatima I found it hard to explain but eventually I went for 'furled and invisible'. You know you are massively important but the person you were has become a bit smudged almost. That's how I felt. I am not sure if you know but I felt like this for a while (longer than I let on or admitted) then essentially had a bit of an episode at work. I am now on the combined pill which has worked wonders. I feel better than I knew I was feeling bad if that makes sense. Theoretically I am not supposed to have the combined pill but my GP felt that the impact on my life was greater than the apparent risk. Worth considering if you can.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sun 22-Sep-13 21:44:41

Fatima sorry you have felt ignored sad I think we are all posting less.

Where is kyz she has been quiet the last couple of days unless i've skimmed too quickly.

I'll post on FB tomorrow a work update...

House full of daddy long legs or whatever we're Supposed to call those flying bastards that still wave at you long after you kill the buggers. And you swat at them and they fly right at you. They freak me out as much as spiders, and that's despite the fact I have a spider bite on my foot at the moment.

Night quiche, no idea re stir fries chasing I have never made one as woks scare me. They get so hot and spitty. I don't have a chip pan either. I hate spitty hot oil.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sun 22-Sep-13 21:47:19

pass I get the feeling invisible thing too in real life. I am no longer PR but PR DD1 and LO's mum. Even nursery when they phone me during the day say Hello, is that LO's mum? Just calling to say...

GTbaby Sun 22-Sep-13 21:48:18

Watch out. I'm eating spicy noodles that FH made.

All that's going to happen is heart burn, isn't it?!?

BigPigLittlePig Sun 22-Sep-13 21:50:50

Not if you wash it down with raspberry tea GT grin

^ ^ ^
Scientific, that.

Brockle Sun 22-Sep-13 22:09:32


Elizadoesdolittle Sun 22-Sep-13 22:10:05

fatima I know what you mean about the mundaneness of it all. It's good for the kids to have routine but sometimes I find I'd just like a bit of spontanaety every now and then. But that's impossible when you have kids. Silly things were starting to wind me up. LIke breakfast always being exactly the same down to the minute details, ie DD1 pouring her milk a certain way. I'm probably not explaining this correctly so feel free to ignore my waffling. If you don't need the M&S code would you mind pm'ing it to me? I have been meaning all weekend to order DD1 some more uniform from M&S but not got round to it. 20% off would be really welcomed smile

chasing When I do stir fry I do as gt said and just take bits out for the DD's first and then whack on the sauce for me.

We've just had an indian takeaway too smile

GTbaby Sun 22-Sep-13 22:13:45

Is it to late to do hypno birthing? For a course yes. But getting the book. Not sure if I should just go library n reserve it. Sod's law by time I get it baby will be here.

GTbaby Sun 22-Sep-13 22:25:24

Hiya brockle wine

YellowWellies Sun 22-Sep-13 22:34:24

Hiya Brockle!

Pup has been asleep since 9pm after taking herself off to her cage..... fingers crossed! Was going to leave the radio on for her but I don't think she needs it.

GT I think hypnobirthing needs quite a bit of practice to get familiar with the technique? Might be a bit late to practice the visualisations and breathing? I'd recommended any book by Ina May Gaskin though if you want to feel more relaxed about the birthing process?

Brockle Sun 22-Sep-13 22:35:15

I wish! I never used hypno birthing techniques until my placenta was being removed. the mw suggested it and I wish I had known about it earlier so I certainly don't think its too late. smile

Kirrin Sun 22-Sep-13 22:41:25

Thanks for all the hellos grin I know I'm not being deliberately ignored - I wasn't complaining, honest.

'Mundane' is a pretty good word to describe life at the moment. Like eliza said, its knowing that the exact same thing is going to happen at the exact same time each day that gets a bit waring. That and not being able to just pick up your phone and keys and go out. And on the rare occasions when you can do that you spend the whole time feeling like you've lost something.

I just shared a bath with a daddy-long-legs. Sadly, I didn't realise til I got out! The house seems to be full of them. And spiders, but I try not to think about that.

GT Order the book. You might be right about Sod's law - but that's not a bad thing, right?!

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 22-Sep-13 22:55:04

Haha kirrin I do exactly that. Leave the house with bloody everything but the kitchen sink and spend the whole time fretting that I've forgotten something. It's ridiculous!

I went to Penshurst Place today and had a lovely day but there were absolutly hundreds of daddy long legs sitting on the grass, wafting up as soon as you got near them. I hate them with a passion. Those and wasps are things I can't deal with.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 22-Sep-13 23:09:51

Hello to brockle and fatima

fatima I always look for your posts, I think it's because I've 'known' you longest from being on the ticket threads.

Well Dh is back from Newcastle eventually. He visited a strip club for the first time in his life, the rest of the boys slagged him as he'd never been before. He seems to have had a great time, not as great as some thankfully!

DS still being a complete nightmare unfortunately. He's just so reluctant to sleep it's ridiculous. I think I may call HV and see of she has any advice. He's still awake now and has had one nap today, granted it was an hour in his car seat.

I'm getting concerned about my surgery as my MIL is still reluctant to mind DD after hurting her back a month or so ago. This leaves me mum who doesn't drive, twelve weeks is a lot to ask of anyone! Dh will be taking 3 week unpaid leave, we can't afford it but needs must. DDs nursery have suggested asking HV if DS could get a funded nursery place for and emergency placement. We've been allocated 5hrs a week for him just now to allow me to rest and him to get better at eating. He will start next week and do 2.5hours on two days. He has two 1hr settling sessions this week. I'm kinda scared! But really looking forward to a guaranteed nap!

Em... Not much else to say. Except welcome to betsy!

I've listed a bunch of stuff on Gumtree after not selling much at the market. Can't see it selling either :-(

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 23-Sep-13 00:28:41

I've just managed to put James in a sleeping bag into the cot.

Plan for tomorrow.... Read the bloody sleep book I've bought!!

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 23-Sep-13 00:39:29

And that should have read ttc threads, not ticket threads fatima stupid autocorrect!

GTbaby Mon 23-Sep-13 00:42:34

So wondering how to start my birth thread...

Oh fuck? (Remember that's how you found out I was pregnant again. Lol)

Cough cough. Ladies and gentleman I have an announcement.

Arghhhhh panic it's happening.

Must think of something funny to open with. wink

Bryzoan Mon 23-Sep-13 05:14:01

Fatima and kirrin - it is funny I always really enjoy both of your posts. I am a proper goldfish though so always forget what I wanted to say when it comes to posting.

Mundanity - can relate to that... Think that is partly why I got a real rising swell of panic when I left work. I used to be quite spontaneous with just dd but it is harder to be with 2. Hopefully that will ease as they get older.

Hiya brockle :-)

Gt - the visualisation I found best was rings of colour like a rainbow spreading our like ripples on a pond (to help the cervix open). I would live a live birth thread - but whether you get to post or not know that we all are willing you on.

Bryzoan Mon 23-Sep-13 05:14:39

Any more news on your horse kirrin?

Lily311 Mon 23-Sep-13 06:08:27

I read the posts but have no energy to reply to anyone really. It's madness here with friends visiting, studying for exam and just being a lone parent. The next two weeks will be hectic and I really don't want to miss a live birth thread.

My baby is 10 months old (I know most of our babies are), how did that happen??

Thanks again for all the replies. It's really helped perk me up. Don't feel you have to specifically name check me everytime I post now though, just so I don't feel ignored grin I know you're all reading.

I feel shit this morning, don't know if it's a dodgy tummy or nervous energy. It feels like when I used to be on ADs and had had an awful night with my head full of crap. Will see how i feel when I get to work and are distracted. Also have period pains sad I bet that's contributing to my mood.

Will read everyone's posts on shoes and birthday parties and catch up later.

M is 10 months today!! Happy 10 months detective and pikz

Thechick Mon 23-Sep-13 06:46:15

Testing testing using the app to post for the first time

Thechick Mon 23-Sep-13 06:53:08

Fatima I felt a bit ignored too, so I stopped posting but I still do read every now and again.
It's my first day back at work today. I don't want to go. I love being at home with this little one. I really wish I could be a stay at home mum. I feel like I'm abandoning the boy.

Two weeks until my little one is 1 but he's not the oldest is he?

Ummm is GT in labour??

fruitpastilles Mon 23-Sep-13 07:46:07

Morning all, good luck today chick I bet it will fly by and you will be back with LO before you know it. gt isn't in labour yet! just trying out funny openings for the live birth thread grin

I read every post too, I just always forget what I've read blush I might start doing what kyz does and have 2 windows open, bit more hassle on the ipad though. Speaking of which, where is kyz ?

I'm off shopping today, dragging dp with me, his back permitting. We need to get S's next size up clothes, lovely winter stuff, I can't wait, I luffs winter! I get so excited to buy her new clothes, much more so than buying for myself, I loathe shopping for me.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 07:53:04

Urrrhhhh, gt did we miss something? Is it happening or is that how you will start your birth thread?

Sorry fatima and. kirrin like the others said I think we all have days where we feel like that. If is any consolation probably not I read everyone's posts and think of loads to say but when it comes to responding it;

A.) has gone out of my brain, and;
B.) someone starts
1. Crying
2. Shouting
3. Behaving like a reprobate and thus needs dealing with
4. Pooing
5. Banging the glass door

Which has actually just happened now but I have just plonked in front of CBeebies.

The other thing that happens is I have more opportunity around nowish to post, everyone has just woken up and thus they are happy to entertain them selves for a bit and it is fairly quiet. Through the day things ramp up and more attention is required and I don't get time. And these days, tbh I am too bloody knackered to do anything once they have gone to bed. So I read but don't post and by the time I post I. The morning the conversation has moved on.

Ok so. O has moved to a beaker for the morning and afternoon feed, but he has cut his milk right back. So I just tip his milk on his cereal in the morning so he gets it. And if he doesn't drink it at night I just tip it onto cereal again for supper so he gets it. Is that ok?

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 07:56:01

gt if you do start a separate thread remember to link us too it!!grin

I too luff winter clothes fruit. Mainly for me though.

Looking for a nice smart casual shirt dress that doesn't cost the earth anyone seen one?

Brockle Mon 23-Sep-13 07:59:16

I think Y has some inbuilt detector for the days I work. I have been awake since 4 30 with him. sleeps for wimps don't you know.

good luck chick, it gets easier thanks

gt you got me excited then!

on train, only time in the day I have to myself. wolf hall and a coffee. have a good day ladies xx

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 08:00:32

Ohhhh that's the other thing. I go my last pay from real employment in September. Yesterday me and DH went through our finances and we worked out how much he would give me every month. SCARY BEANS.

So he has upped the joint account and given me a lump of money,which is nearly what I would have ended up with before after I had dealt with all my financial commitments.

I had been worrying about it for ages, becoming dependant, I never really have been before. But I had better start doing what I am told sort of feel ok about it. I made him extra nice chilli sweet corn soup to take for his lunch. blush

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 08:01:57

Good luck chick it will be ok! I am sure you will enjoy some adult conversation and the odds are you are less likely to be pulling your hair out by 5 pm!

PennieLane Mon 23-Sep-13 08:04:24

Hello fatima, kirrin we missed you!

It's fab to see you back chick I've often wondered where you went as I really liked your posts. You remind me of a friend of mine. thanks For today, a tough day.

YY to the mundane. I'm in a new country and can't explore properly because of my timetabled day of naps and food. Did go to soft play today which M loved, she's obviously felt deprived of other children. She does seem to have caught the quiche cold, even from over here.angry

We survived the typhoon! It dodged HK at last meeting but was fun watching the storm rolling past.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 23-Sep-13 08:33:05

Good news pennie I have to admit I would love to watch a storm like that from a distance. I love those shows about twister chasers in the US.

Good luck chick I'm sure it won't be as bad as you think it will. Will be thinking of you today.

GT is this for real? I'm guessing not.

I keep thinking about those people in the shopping mall in Kenya. Apparently there were loads of families as the was some kind of children's event going on. Bastarding sodding terrorists sad

sophia that would freak me out a little too to be honest. I have always been so independent but the way things are going might have to rethink that.

Hope you feel better soon fatima I was a little ill last night with tummy troubles. I think stress related.

How are you enjoying Wolf Hall brockle ?

Right, off to update FB.

GTbaby Mon 23-Sep-13 08:39:22

Sry was just thinking about. That wasn't the start.

Wrote that. Went off to bore myself to sleep in active. And didn't check my phone the 6times I woke.

You'll know when it's the start. I won't be funny. It will be shear panic.

Dreamt about sex this morning. shock Only dtd 4times this year! Record low.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 23-Sep-13 09:21:39

Morning all and happy 10 months to the babies that are.

chick best of luck today.

sophia I can relate to how you feel. I was always financially independent until I got made redundant when I was preggers with DD1. Sounds like you have a similar arrangement to us. It works well and you'll get used to it.

yw hope Betsy had a good night. Love her name btw. A photo is needed on fb!

Going to do some online shopping at m&s now thanks to fatimas code.

Have the dreaded weigh in later. I really feel like E has put on weight over the last couple of weeks so we shall see. Fingers crossed. Would be nice if the threat of the tube returning could be completely removed.

YellowWellies Mon 23-Sep-13 09:28:26

Pup slept through. Well she didn't wake us - which was a shame as she pooed in her cage. DH let her into the garden at six. Then locked them both out so woke the house hammering to get in! What was I thinking?! Is it possible to have a pup and a baby and do right by either of them - feel like neither is getting enough attention confused . Mission today is get her reliably house trained and not jumping up at Jonas. Am just glad (sorry GT she's just a dog not a baby and I can cage her!!!).

<cuffs chick affectionately too> good luck at work xxx

StuntNun Mon 23-Sep-13 09:57:22

Chasing my DS1 and DS2 preferred their stir fries sans sauce until quite recently although DS1 does have sensory issues with some food textures, he can't have two different textures in his mouth at the same time. Now they like chow mein sauce but J has his served up before the sauce goes in.

Donnadoon Mon 23-Sep-13 10:39:31

Oh chick Heres hoping for a speedy whizz " where did the day go ?" Day
I think daisy76 H is first, tomorrow....and the reason I remember that is that my DS1 will be 17 tomorrow shock
Then its the twin girls smile (cant remember day sorry)
tHEN Evils N on the 5th
Then its our babbas on the 7th
Woo Hoo
So sorry if Ive missed anyone out there
hope the day goes fast for you flowers

GTbaby Mon 23-Sep-13 11:32:01

Nothing to report.

Feeling very anxious. Don't know what's wrong. U know that nervous feeling.
Hoping doing the dusting will distract me.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 23-Sep-13 11:54:23

Are you feeling the urge to clean GT ?

Pikz Mon 23-Sep-13 12:30:48

Woooop Fatima happy 10 months to us, det and you!

Having a disastrous time today. 11 hour flight back yesterday, valet parking curbed the car, broadband broken so had to fork out for an office for dp, LO jetlagged so up since 4.40 am. First settling in at nursery and he didn't settle at all so lasted 20 mins sad frog in the lounge and house we are buying jointly with mum has come back on survey with damp.

Can I crawl in a corner and weep?

Lily311 Mon 23-Sep-13 12:39:00

chasing annabel karmel has a stir fry recipe with coconut milk and korma paste. I find it for you if you don't have the recipe book.

My cousin had a baby 10 days ago, she is a health visitor. She put a pic up of baby in cot with a duvet on. Everything is just so wrong on that pic. I am going to offer her O's sleeping bags but I know she will refuse them as she wants everything new. I don't want to advise her anything as she is a health visitor but it annoys me.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 12:51:35

Yes pikz you are fully entitled. Sit down I will get you some soup. ( the Thais sweet corn soup is yum, and v restorative)

ChasingDaisy Mon 23-Sep-13 13:07:47

Can I have some soup sophia? No reason other than it sounds yum.

I have one of the AK books so I'll have a look lily, thanks.

I have eggs in the fridge. So for lunch one day this week I am going to cook O and me something egg-y. I last made an omelette 7 years ago and gave myself food poisoning. I may start with boiled egg.

ChasingDaisy Mon 23-Sep-13 13:08:28

Ooh good luck for the weigh in Eliza

ChasingDaisy Mon 23-Sep-13 13:13:45

GT I am jealous of your 4 times this year. I hope to increase my total from 0 by the end of the year hmm

Passmethecrisps Mon 23-Sep-13 13:24:50

Love soup. Just eaten school minestrone. Yum yum.

A frog pikz? An actual frog? Sounds awful. Have some cake

Good luck with the weigh in eliza. I really, really hope you get good news. P has a consultant app tomorrow so I can empathise!

I would also be a bit hmm lily. Is the guidance there the same with regard to no duvets? Just seems a no brainer when sleeping bags are so safe.

Passmethecrisps Mon 23-Sep-13 13:26:32

And chasing I reckon mr independence will love being given a boiled egg. Just make sure it is well cooked

ditsygem Mon 23-Sep-13 13:33:11

AArrrggg - Sorry for not replying to everyone I have skim read through as not got much time at the moment, but just needed to whinge.
F had a fever starting last wed and it finally broke on saturday - he was lethargic with it but fine whilst on calpol/calprofen. His eating went a bit up and down. Since then he has developed a rash (perfectly normal after a virus it would seem) but is fine apart from that. But he is now refusing most food and most milk as well but has woken up to past 2 nights for a feed. He hasn't had a feed for months in the night so its not like hiim at all. I think it is his first molars coming in, but I can't see them yet so we still have a way to go.
He then takes an hour to get back to sleep after the milk and its exhausting. I'm trying everything today to get him to eat more, cooking all his faves but its not happening. He is also being a monster at naps resisting sleep for as long as possible. and screaming through nappy changes - so happy periods are very short lived and its driving me nuts!!
Whinge over.

PurplePidjin Mon 23-Sep-13 13:42:40

For stir fry, how about 1tbsp tomato puree, 1 tsp garlic puree I'm lazy and 1tbsp balsamic vinegar as a soy substitute? Could add paprika, 5 spice etc to taste smile

ChasingDaisy Mon 23-Sep-13 14:37:57

Today O has learnt how to throw. Food and toys, specifically.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 23-Sep-13 14:55:38

Hmm. SIDS guidelines are different in each country. LO slept in a duvet or a blanket pretty much since birth. It was only after a couple of months reading you guys chatting about wraps and sleeping bags that I really thought about it. Here there is no mention of sleeping bags being safer, though they are available at a price and there is no mention of the safety or otherwise of cot bumpers. In fact the only advice I was given about SIDS was putting the baby on the back, airing the room and bedding every day and not letting them overheat.

I think it is like weaning advice and milk preparation advice - each country has their own advice and focus on some things more than others. Nursery was shocked today when I said I was going to introduce cow's milk to LO's bottles to phase out the formula as here it is not advised before the age of three. You'd have thought I had said I was going to add arsenic to each feed.

Well done O on learning to throw. The start of years of fun... hmm grin

GTbaby Mon 23-Sep-13 15:03:15

No ginger. No urge to clean. FH pointed out dust in front room a s asked me to do it after he vacuumed. That sounds mean of him but I think he was trying the "get active" approach to inducing labour.

Mil shouted at fil earlier and woke lo up half way through his nap. He gas had lunch n milk now So desperately trying to get him to sleep for another hour. Not working hmm he keeps rubbing his eyes and is crying over nothing. So deff tiered.

I could do with a nap too.

FH is at work till late. Sucks.

Checked library n all the hypno birthing books in London libraries they have access to are in loan and 2 reservations are ahead of me. Crazy.

Pregnsncy brain. But thanks to jet lagged mum n baby. Sometimes it doesn't just rain. It pours. But slowly things work out.

Chasing I'm jealous of your lovely bedroom. Been trying to work out what to do with ours since I moved in. And have changed nothing.
And mil had a hissy fit other day about feeding chair getting in her way. I won't go into it. As very petty. And I can't be bothered to argue as trying to keep things calm for fil before his heart op.
speaking of which. FH called consultant n they will only give one weeks notice of operation. Which sucks as they are saying mid October. During lo bday. So don't know what to say to ppl in regards to keeping date free.
We have said keep Saturday after bday free, but if we end up postponing it a week or so ppl won't be available. I know... Their loss. But will cause problems.

ALSO. Anyone know of a good online party supply store? Just want to buy all the novelty party bits. Matching Hats, plates etc for the kids.
Don't think you could link here. But on FB maybe?

was meant to be a quick post!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 23-Sep-13 15:07:41

Party Pieces. I believe the owners are short of a bob or two grin

PurplePidjin Mon 23-Sep-13 15:58:21
YellowWellies Mon 23-Sep-13 16:20:56

OK am feeling more on top of things! Can I recommend a pup for tiring out those with older kids and vice versa. My sister's kids have been over and they all played like mad things in the garden. No more accidents in house thank god.

GT fc FIL's op date works out.

Jonas is 11 months today!

Pikz wah sounds like a crap day.

Pennie glad the super typhoon missed you!

chick hope the day is passing quickly x

Waves to everyone.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 17:16:20

Please could I get something of my chest?

And then I will be done with it.

I am trying to structure my week with the boys so that we don't just end up blabbing at home. MIL is always really keen to have the boys so I thought if she could have one of them for a couple of hours once a week them I could take the other one swimming and alternate which boy.

Anyway, the times which I can have access to the pool are really limited.

So I asked if she could have O on ?Thursday. She said she couldn't as she was having her hair done. That's fine.

But then SIL phoned while I was there to say she had been offered a day's work on Thurs could she have DNeice. And MIL said yes. In front of me.

I do understand, is her daughter and is a days work but it has hurt my feelings and made me feel very alone. And that I want my mum who would put me first.

And I will buck up I. The next hour but at the moment feel a bit sad and tearful.

TheDetective Mon 23-Sep-13 17:22:13

Having a strop/stress.

Given O's crappy calcium intake - as per dietician advise, I am trying to get O calcium supplements.

DP was tasked with ringing for an appt with the GP this morning, and arranging the px. Now, back in August the dietician told me there was a manufacturing issue yeah, that shit again with the drops O would have been prescribed.

So, knowing this, I told DP to make an appt and not request a repeat (we had been issued a px of the drops with the manufacturing issue and never got them as he hasn't needed them). However he failed at dodging the receptionist. So didn't get an appt. I NEVER have this issue.

So of course, they just issued a fecking repeat of the calcium drops that we can't bloody get!

So DP handed it back, and apparently the GP looked at it, and said there wasn't anything else they could give him. The only other thing is a chewable one, but they won't issue it due to his age.

So, now what? confused

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 17:29:09

Demand an appointment det

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 17:29:30

Oh no that doesn't work.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 17:31:07

There must be something else? Alternatively copious amounts of broccoli, cabbage, and spinach! grin

Off out for some bucking up fresh air.

PurplePidjin Mon 23-Sep-13 17:58:52

Chickpeas and green leafy veg and shout at the health visitor, Det grin

Sophia that would piss me off too. Blatant favouritism of one gc over the other! It's not, or shouldn't be, about the parents relationship to the gp - O is her son's dc just as OtherGC is her DD's child angry

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 18:34:20

On that note pp or I fact anyone! is there any good chickpea ideas for ten month olds? O had some today in a ready made lamb tagging and loved them. I make chickpea curry, but what else what else?

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 18:34:34

* tagine.

TheDetective Mon 23-Sep-13 18:42:04

I have been furiously googling away.

Have found a couple of things which are full of calcium that he can have. Stupid fucking tomato allergy - baked beans are full of calcium!.

It's just a pissing ballache!

Sophia I am making falafel burgers this week from Peaches cookbook grin. I reckon they will be fine for babies smile. This is the recipe I am using.

MIL sounds very cruel - although I suspect not intended. I would feel very pissed off though. sad

PurplePidjin Mon 23-Sep-13 18:43:40

Hummus on rice cakes/pita/bread/breadsticks/cucumber. In any stew - beef, lamb, veg but i don't like them with chicken - or curry. Dal or any kind of bean stew. 5 bean chilli, with rice or in burritos etc. Falafel - I'll hunt out my sweet potato fluffle recipe in a sec, really easy and fab finger food - also dairy egg and soy free.

Frozen spinach is fab for just chucking in stuff. We had it in a cheese bechemal the other day on pasta then the day after as fish pie. Mixed with pureed cauliflower for fast pasta sauce (dairy free). R loves it hmm

PurplePidjin Mon 23-Sep-13 18:45:15
ChasingDaisy Mon 23-Sep-13 18:46:05

We had a chickpea meal tonight, O loves them. Just did a one pot dish of onion, sausages, chick peas and tinned tomatoes.

O is having his first night away on Saturday. I am currently trying to make plans to go out and get drunk.

PurplePidjin Mon 23-Sep-13 18:48:20

Det buy tinned haricot beans then, and chuck them in stews etc smile

sophia it's understandable you are upset, I would feel hurt at that too.

gt I hope FIL's op date works out for you.

chasing make the most of your free night and let your hair down. You deserve it.

Still stress city here. I have started with a bedtime routine but so far I'm noticing no improvements at all. It was so hard getting up for work this morning then I come home to DP moaning about his job and a whingey baby. I'm fucking fed up of hearing about DP's work problems. It's not his fault and Tesco are cunts but I'm starting to lose sympathy when he comes home miserable and does nothing about it. If you're that fucking unhappy then look for another job! I know it's not easy to find a job these days but he doesn't even try. Sorry for the language blush

It's my day off tomorrow so I might call the GP surgery when they open and see if I can get an emergency appointment. If there wasn't so much uncertainty with DP's job I would probably get myself signed off work but it's not wise at the moment <sigh>

TheDetective Mon 23-Sep-13 19:17:06

I forgot to add, happy 10 month birthday *M and L! Thank you for reminding me - as you may see on facebook. I forgot blush.

I must have sounded like a right dickhead at work today. Colleague asked me how old O is. 9.5 months, well, almost 10 months.

Get home, read here and see that actually, he is 10 months today. DIIIIIIIIIICK!


I enjoyed work today. I am hoping I make an even better midwife now I am back. I feel my general life knowledge has come on in leaps and bounds. I feel more confident. But I have terrible fuzz brain. I have to write EVERYTHING down.

I am sore though. But, coping. I am in again on an early tomorrow. I am a little worried about it as I haven't done 2 consecutive days yet, and today was my first full day. I have been in pain every day after the shifts I have done so far.... confused

Thanks for the bean ideas grin. I tend to make stew with tomatoes though. Apart from chicken. Chicken and bean stew it is then?!

Tomato allergy is actually more of a PITA than dairy. Well, not on it's own. But together, it is a fucking nightmare!

O has come out in an allergy rash on his face today, but we don't know what to. He's had nothing he doesn't have regularly, and nothing particularly allergen inducing! It looks very very similar to the tomato reaction.

He is also spectacularly grumpy. But that is because he is demonstrating how he did not fucking appreciate me fucking off for 9 hours today. hmm

He has also pulled off all the motherfuckingcunting corner cushion guards.

And climbed up on to his car seat, and tried getting on top of the fireguard.

I should have stayed at work.

DP thinks it is amusing how O will not leave my side when I am in the room. He cries to sit on my knee. Then gets down. Then cries because he is down. The joy. hmm

Haha det C does that too - when he's on the floor he cries for me to hold him but as soon as I do he wants to get down again. He doesn't seem to know what he wants.

Brockle Mon 23-Sep-13 19:28:56

I second kicking up a fuss det

I do stir fry with no sauce chasing and Y loves it.

I would be seriously pissed off and rather hurt sophia but I hope you enjoy your walk smile

really enjoying wolf hall peaches . I never thought cromwell was the villain he was made out to be so enjoying the fictional cromwell. lovely to be trading again after a brief hiatus.

waiting for take out as have orrible period cramps sad

Lily311 Mon 23-Sep-13 19:28:59

O has ear and throat infection. sad

We are at my sister's tonight, babysitting. Not ideal with a sick baby. Never mind.

GTbaby Mon 23-Sep-13 19:49:01

From one mememe post to another.

Fucking mil. Driving me loopy.
Didn't get lo to sleep earlier. Decided just after 5was better to have dinner and milk then sleep all night.

So he is super cranky n I being him up to my room to calm him n rock him to sleep.
He is crying. He stops. Droopy eyes. She walks in - if he doesn't want to sleep let him play. I keep shushing trying to keep my mouth shut. Lo is eyes wide open looking at her. She starts talking to him! Oh don't u want to sleep. So I said "well it's the 2nd time you've woken him today" picked him up n moved him so he was facing away n carried on shushing. Eventually she walks out. Literally 30seconds later his eyes are closed.

I just don't get how she thinks she is making life easier.
She refuses to admit she woke lo earlier. Kept saying he was already awake. So him crying straight after her yelling outside his bedroom had nothing to do with her? Yeah fucking right.

I know I sound selfish complaining about fil heart Op date. But they refused to change their holiday dates and post poned the op knowing it could coincide with me giving birth and lo bday.
And we live in the same house! A new born baby and a 1year old is stressful enough for everyone. Add to that tip toeing around fil.

Even bil said he hoped I had the baby early as it would be a bit stressful for me n fil to be in hospital at same time.

Ok I can see this turning into a major rant. And me just going off on a tangent. So going to stop now and get some lunch!!!!

And breath. And think calm thought. Stress will not help with bring on labour.

YellowWellies Mon 23-Sep-13 19:52:39

Ditsy get well soon to the wee gem. Apple brew xx

PP awesome recipe ideas. smile Det the wards are lucky to have you. Hope the fanjo is forgiving tomorrow. Peaches great news on the settling in. Sophia I'd be hurt by that too.

Well it's bedtime and we survived. Everybody fed and nobody dead (though our tea looks singed). Highlight of the day was when pusskin and woofer finally met without me holding someone. Puss fluffed up, hissed, shot evils at Betsy - who whimpered and retreated. Am glad puss has retained top spot. Jonas isn't keen on puppy ear washes and has started saying mumumum to get my attention when he wants to be rescued. He used to just use it when upset - now he can nag too.

YellowWellies Mon 23-Sep-13 20:08:32

Lily get well to O too.

GT brew (raspberry leaf!) sounds like you need to vent!

YellowWellies Mon 23-Sep-13 20:08:34

Lily get well to O too.

GT brew (raspberry leaf!) sounds like you need to vent!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 23-Sep-13 20:17:33

GT every evening I log on and skim read to see if there's any news! MIL sounds like a bit of a pita (nothing new there??!) - not a lot you can do though re: the op etc. Hopefully it will all just fall into place and be ok <crosses fingers>

YW glad betsy had a good day.

Det F does the same thing with "pick-me-up-up-uo" then "er down down down!" repeat ad infinitum. Bless her though, it is sweet if a little wearing.

Sophia I would be upset by that too. Also miss my mum (and dad) and being able to pop over for a cuppa. Although my mum did reveal that she checks rightmove every day for houses in our locality imagine dhs face at that hahahaha

Pikz thanks glad you're back safely

Also glad you're safe pennie and the storm turned out to be nothing much.

Eliza good luck with the weigh in.

Chick good to see you back.


Lamb chops in the oven need rescuing. F in bed mooing to herself in her sleep. She tried to climb up her cot today shock I thought she'd restrain from such antics, being prem and all that. Turns out not <gulp>

GTbaby Mon 23-Sep-13 20:17:53

Peaches you joked. But party pieces website is best I've come across.

Pikz Mon 23-Sep-13 20:26:24

YW sounds like betsy is settling in really well. I get mummy now when he wants anything!

Sophia I would be very very upset. Hope the fresh air works.

Det I second PP and the frozen spinach in everything. I do this all the time. I hope I get a midwife like you next time. L also just wants up and down allthe time.

Apple sending a massive hug

PP loving the recipes, keep them coming

Chasing hope the getting drunk plan works!

Brockle enjoy the take out

Get well soon O, and hugs lily

GT honestly I don't know how you cope. I couldn't do it.

PurplePidjin Mon 23-Sep-13 20:38:20

I have finished R's first hat of this winter - he was Rudolph then a teddy then an easter chick last year, this year he's starting off as a dragon grin next on the hook is a fox for my friend's dd, then i need to plan his Christmas one. Robin? Christmas pud? I also want to make one that looks like a shark biting down, but I'm not sure how to do the colours as i normally make hats in the round confused

Wish i could afford takeaway both financially and health wise sadenvy

2 nights and we'll be cracking open the champers though wine

<falls in to the Fred and wails>

I am ill sadenvy

After feeling vomtastic all day but managing to get through a day at work I came home at four and have thrown up numerous times since envy
I haven't been sick for the last hour or so but still have tummy ache and feel generally weak and dead. Guessing it's a tummy bug, hopefully a fleeting one.

Now not sure what to do about work tomorrow confusedenvy

ChasingDaisy Mon 23-Sep-13 20:47:54

My first love got married last week. Sob.

PurplePidjin Mon 23-Sep-13 21:05:35

Don't go, Fatima you're contagious thanks

Chasing mine still delivers chinese for a local takeaway. Very cool at 24 to fund the weed habit not so much at pushing 40 hmm i bet his mum still buys his pants and irons his tee shirts too hmm

GTbaby Mon 23-Sep-13 21:15:00

Pp. put a pic on FB! I'm going to attempt a hat and mittens now my blanket is done. Found a crochet pattern on ravelry last night.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 23-Sep-13 21:26:19

I want to learn a skill like crocheting. I loved the hats you did last year pidj - they were ace.

Need to write a presentation for Friday - hate hate hate public speaking sad Also have no idea what to do it on. Oh well.

ChasingDaisy Mon 23-Sep-13 21:31:35

pig picture them all naked. Or is that for job interviews? Or something.

fruitpastilles Mon 23-Sep-13 21:37:25

pp Christmas pud deffo!
Love the blanket gt I also wish I could do something like that but I don't have the patience or talent!
S is also a fan of pick me up, now put me down, sooo tiring!
Hope you feel better in the morning fatima
yw you need to put a pic of betsy on fb, my gorgeous little goddaughter is called betsy so she's all I can picture when I read about betsy pup, not so good when she is pooing in her cage grin I got a visual of my betsy doing it ha.
Good luck pig I'd be shitting myself. Sorry that's probably the most unhelpful thing I could have said! I'm sure you will be fine though, why do you have to do that?

fruitpastilles Mon 23-Sep-13 21:38:28

lily I hope O feels better soon aswell, poor little thing.

fruitpastilles Mon 23-Sep-13 21:41:22

Oh and sophia I too would feel horrible about what mil did today, at the end of the day they are all her grandchildren, if she had said no to having the boys she should have said no to having your niece aswell. She at the very least could have gone about it a bit less blatantly if she was going to do it.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 23-Sep-13 21:54:20

Someone just posted this on fb...thought of izzy lol grin

My children mean everything to me!

READ THIS AND HAD TO SHARE: A HILARIOUS TAKE ON SLEEP TRAINING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE BABY: 'OK, here’s my situation. My Mummy has had me for almost seven months. The first few months were great. I cried, she picked me up and fed me, anytime, day or night. Then something happened.Over the last few weeks, she has been trying to STTN (sleep through the night). At first, I thought it was just a phase, but it is only getting worse. I’ve talked to other babies, and it seems like its pretty common after Mummies have had us for around six months.

Here’s the thing: these Mummies don’t really need to sleep. Its just a habit. Many of them have had some 30 years to sleep and they just don’t need it anymore. So I am implementing a plan. I call it the Crybaby Shuffle. It goes like this:

Night 1: Cry every three hours until you get fed. I know, its hard. Its hard to see your Mummy upset over your crying. Just keep reminding yourself, its for her own good.

Night 2: Cry every two hours until you get fed.

Night 3: [Cry] every hour. Most Mummies will start to respond more quickly after about three nights.
Some Mummies are more alert, and may resist the change longer. These Mummies may stand in your doorway for hours, shhhh-ing. Don’t give in. I cannot stress this enough: CONSISTENCY IS KEY!! If you let her STTN (sleep through the night), just once, she will expect it every night. I KNOW ITS HARD! But she really doesn’t need the sleep, she’s just resisting the change.

If you have an especially alert Mummy, you can stop crying for about 10 minutes, just long enough for her to go back to bed and start to fall asleep. Then cry again. It WILL eventually work. My Mummy once stayed awake for 10 hours straight, so I know she can do it.

Last night, I cried every hour. You just have to decide to stick to it and just go for it. BE CONSISTENT!
I cried for any reason I could come up with. My sleep sack tickled my foot. I felt a wrinkle under the sheet. My mobile made a shadow on the wall. I burped, and it tasted like pears. I hadn’t eaten pears since lunch, what’s up with that? The cat said 'meow'. I should know. My Mummy reminds me of this about 20 times a day. LOL. Once I cried just because I liked how it sounded when it echoed on the monitor in the other room. Too hot, too cold, just right - doesn’t matter! Keep crying!! It took awhile, but it worked.

She fed me at 4am. Tomorrow night, my goal is 3:30am. You need to slowly shorten the interval between feedings in order to reset your Mummies internal clocks.
Sometimes my Mummy will call for reinforcements by sending in Daddy. Don’t worry, Daddies are not set up for not needing sleep the way Mummies are. They can only handle a few pats and shhing before they declare defeat and send in the Mummy.

Also, be wary of the sleep sheep with rain noises. I like to give Mummy false hope that listening to the rain puts me to sleep sometimes I pretend to close my eyes and be asleep and then wait until I know Mummy is settling back to sleep to spring a surprise cry attack.If she doesn’t get to me fast enough I follow up with my fake cough and gag noise that always has her running to the crib.At some point I am positive she will start to realise that she really doesn’t really need sleep.

P.S. Don’t let those rubber things fool you, no matter how long you suck on them, no milk will come out. Trust me

Kyz Mon 23-Sep-13 21:58:40

Evening all. Hope everyone is ok, seems I've a bit to catch up on. Been a bit tough again, E seems to be teething some more and is waking in pain sad He has had pre-emptive calpol tonight but still woken several times since going down at 7pm. I am going to write this then try to sleep, i think. I probably won't be as epic with as I am capable of, if at all, sorry in advance. I have read everything though I promise.

sorry to hear about the still broken leg kirrin sad

Oh vq sorry to hear poor J is poorly again! Glad he is enjoying nursery though! Also very sorry to hear about your MIL sad

eek fruit your poor dp, how is he feeling now? And how are you? Thankyou for your lovely comments, I really appreciate it smile It has taken a bit of quiche loving to get me to feel a bit better about things and hopefully it can only get better from here ignores the last few days

glad Oliver didn't get burned sophia I have banished all cuppas to the windowsill after e plunged his hand in one the other day. Thankfully as usual my coffee was freezing so he wasn't burned but it scared the shit out of me!

I think I may get a clarks foot measure too. thanks for the tip jj

Poor you and o chasing hope you both feel better soon

Ouch vq (leg biting)

Netflix sophia mum has it and apparently it's brilliant

hey mnisslaughalot lovely to hear from you again!! I think the general consensus is if they drink water fine don't bother with juice - but over the summer when it was warm weather I gave E fruit juice diluted with water with meals to encourage a bit more into him. He sometimes has juice with meals now but not necessarily all the time. E likes pear, apple, orange, raspberry, pretty much anything really.

madame you did amazingly to get halfway, well done!

GT yes to a live birth thread, how exciting! My waters just trickled out at some point, I think. I didn't really have any to speak of, they certainly didn't gush!

sounds like you're doing really well re the sleeping mm! smile fab

how exciting, yw another little pup! smile she sounds so sweet!

fatima I'm sorry you've felt ignored sad I haven't meant to ignore you, and if I have i'm sorry - It takes ages to reply to everything and unless i'm on my laptop like tonight I can't remember everything. Same goes for you too kirrin and thechick

poor p pass hope she's alright again soon - e is also off food again but not total refusal today.

aww bplp that's lovely for your db! smile

brockle hiya smile

maybe try putting it on eBay Izzy? Sorry to hear sleep is still crap sad really wish i had something useful to suggest.

happy 10 months day those that are 10 months today!

Lily sounds mad, and exhausting. Hope o gets better soon, poor mite.

Gosh this has taken me hours to write so far, I have been into E about 20 times since he went to bed, he is currently sobbing into his blanket, poor soul. Not sure what else I can do for him bar calpol :'( I reckon i'll be on his floor tonight!

Hope you've had a good day chick I bet it has been tough though sad

pr the shopping mall thing is awful isn't it sad It's made me really sad sad My thoughts are with the people and their families, terrorism is horrid.

oh pikz bless you sad you are certainly entitled to a bit of a cry sad hugs

everything crossed e has gained weight at the weigh in eliza

doesn't sound like much of a fun time ditsy hope the sodding teeth come through soon and F goes back to doing a bit more eating and sleeping for you

happy 11 months day to the bear, yw

aw sophia can totally understand why you're upset, I would be too. Surely any/all of her grandkids should be treated the same? They are her childrens' children, no?

I have never had any of this fallyfelly of which you all speak. E has had a tagine? thing from a pot and liked it so I was wondering about making more chickpea type things. I like them roasted personally. Nom.

chasing definitely make the most of it. When e first went to mils i hated it and sat and cried and couldn't sleep. I have since realised that spending quality time alone/with dp makes me a happier person overall. As does getting drunk, obviously! Have fun smile

Sorry to hear things are still stressy apple I think getting an emergency appt would be wise. Have you told dp to look for another job if he's not happy - you're right they're hard to come by BUT if he's really unhappy surely it makes sense to start looking for another job sooner rather than later?

glad you've had a good day at work today det smile I can imagine the tomato allergy being a PITA - alot of sw stuff has tomatoes in, as do alot of sauces etc. I'd be fooked, E loves tomato based sauces

Just been back into him again. Gonna be a long night.

gt sounds like a nightmare - hope it does all fall into place for you, bless you

aww fatima bless you, hope you get better soon!

pp i remember pics of r in hats you/ve done, they are awesome! E needs more hats. Xmas pud will be fab

BPLP that made me laugh!

Best fuck off then I think. He's crying again. Bollocks sad

Kyz Mon 23-Sep-13 22:04:31

Fuck me sorry guys that was epic. Sorry if I missed , going to and fro to lo made me lose my place alot x

BigPigLittlePig Mon 23-Sep-13 22:07:35

Kyz grin that's more like it girl! Good luck for tonight, I hope E settles for you and is feeling better xx

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 23-Sep-13 22:15:44

I love it when you get all,epic kyz

Thanks everyone for your support.

I felt better after the walk and less alone after a visit from some other family up the road.

Now I am going to try for a cuddle from DH.

fruitpastilles Mon 23-Sep-13 22:17:22

Aww poor E kyz I hope he doesn't have you up and down all night.

Love they post pig I think there are a few quiche babies who have read this!

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 23-Sep-13 22:25:09

I am bloody delighted to be able to report that E has put on weight. Finally! She put on 500g in 2 weeks. She now weighs 15ibs 10ozs. Going forward I need to get her weighed every 2 weeks at the clinic but the dietician doesn't need to see her till round her first birthday. She's going to phone me on weigh in days though to make sure she's staying on track. What a relief. Looks like the tube really is gone for good grin Think it must be down to the quiche positive vibes. Thanks all.

brockle I started wolf hall when DD1 was a baby but never found the time to get a good session in and as it's quite complex I was getting all my Thomas's mixed up. I really do want to read it but the book was so big (I had it in hard back) I have since down loaded it to my kindle but not got round to starting it again. I really must. I'm desperate to read bring up the bodies too. I love the tudor period.

fatima Sounds yuck, hope you feel better soon.

apple Really hope you get an appt.

chasing Hope mission get drunk works out.

Gosh, have forgotten what else I was going to respond to. kyz you put me to shame. E's woken up crying now so better go. I'll try to get back on but if not I'll bid ye all a good night.

fruitpastilles Mon 23-Sep-13 22:38:16

Wooooooop! eliza I am so happy to read that! Yay for E.

Kirrin Mon 23-Sep-13 22:42:28

Yay for a guaranteed nap izzy DS will be fine at nursery.

Hope you feel better soon fatima ?

Spontaneity is definitely harder with 2 bry I often struggle to think of things to do with them, as sometimes even simple ideas seem like a lot of effort by the time you've got everyone ready and out of the house.

Positive news on Kirrinhorse though. Specialist vet had a look at the X-rays and is actually quite pleased. Says it is healing, just slower than we'd like, so just give her more time. Plan is to take her out for a short walk each day for the next couple of weeks, and if she looks ok after that she can go out into a small paddock. So all is not lost smile

How was work chick ?

How was the clothes shopping fruit ? I might have do some that as I just opened the 9-12 month bag and found about a million vest and pretty much nothing else confused I'm hoping there is another bag somewhere!

I love my journey to work brockle Time to myself! Unfortunately I have to drive but I'm listening to my Harry Potter books uninterrupted and its great smile

I know what you mean about feeling dependant sophia but you are making a huge contribution to your family life - it's not just bringing in the money that counts. It all evens out, it's just a big change to get your head round.
And the MIL issue would have pissed me off too - did she have the grace to look embarrassed?

Glad the worst of the storm bypassed you pennie and good that M liked soft play.
Is HK soft play as lovely as UK soft play?! I went to one in holland that had a bar.

Sounds like a hell of a day pikz - have you recovered? Damp's not such a big deal generally - or is it too much?

ditsy sounds tough - poor LO, and poor you. hopefully some teeth will pop through soon and sleep will be restored.

Hi kyz Glad to 'see' you. Hope E settles and you get some sleep.

YY for weight gain eliza Thats great news.

Had a proper tantrum earlier. She was chewing a book so I took it off her and gave her the TV remote instead and she threw it, and then picked it up and threw it again grin Reminded me of a teenager going off in a strop and slamming the door - and then coming back to do it again just to make sure you noticed!

In other news, I think I may have broken my nose sad DD1 jumped up to dance just as I bent down to pick up a Lego block and she basically head butted me. She's fine, but I heard my nose crunch and its bloody sore. Not swollen too much though so maybe its still in one piece.

GTbaby Mon 23-Sep-13 22:43:01

Pig. I learn from you tube. Crochet is easy. Try a scarf for lo for this winter grin

Soph - glad ur feeling better now. Grand kids are grand kids. Regardless of whose they are.

Kyz So EPIC I got mentioned twice. Was a nice reminder of what's happened recently. Lol

Blabbing watching midwives from earlier tonight.

Kirrin Mon 23-Sep-13 22:44:09

That should say N had a proper Tantrum. Reads like I did. I would never tantrum. never

GTbaby Mon 23-Sep-13 22:48:48

Eliza. Woop woop

Kirin. Hope nose is okshock

fruitpastilles Mon 23-Sep-13 22:52:09

That's good news kirrin hopefully then kirrinhorse will keep improving.

gt you learnt how to make that blanket from you tube? That's awesome!

Clothes shopping was ok, got a few nice things from primark and matalan, I took 2 steps into next and thought better of it and walked back out again, I spend waaaay too much money when I go in there. I do need to get her a nice party dress though, she has a few birthday parties coming up, but I couldn't find one I liked.

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 23-Sep-13 22:56:54

Dh is up the stairs with the unputdownable baby.

I want to sleep in my bed with no baby!!!

I'm on page bloody 9 of the no cry sleep solution!! Page 9 is useless when I need to read 256 of the bloody things!! Argh!!

MsJupiterJones Mon 23-Sep-13 23:09:01

Eliza that is fantastic news. Well done you and well done E. winebrewthanks and lots of biscuit xx

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 23-Sep-13 23:54:41

Just skimmed but eliza that is fucking fabulous news. Yay!!!!!

Wow. Busy night on here. Will catch up tomorrow.

Happy 10 months to those who are there.

Good day here on the whole xx

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 23-Sep-13 23:55:52

izzy ((((((((hugs))))))) . That's all. Is the food going ok?

GTbaby Tue 24-Sep-13 00:59:41

Fruit it is 1 crochet stitch over n over again. With colour changes.
I learnt a few stitches last winter. Then made my sis a scarf for Xmas. Which was one colour n same stitch repeated.

I find it alot easier then knitting. Quicker too!

Seriously. Those who want to. Start of by making your lo a scarf. Choose a ball of yarn. The label will tell you what size needle/hook to buy. And you'll have a scarf in no time! A nice stocking filler!

Kyz Tue 24-Sep-13 04:19:10

Tonight has been hilarious. I am in complete awe of those with sleep dodgers. One night and I feel done in. I think I have managed a grand total of an hour's sleep. I don't know how you guys do it and I promise to never again moan at early mornings or the odd dummy cry. I feel like a fucking jack in the box. He is all snuffly so I don't know if it is teeth. Mind, they can get snuffly can't they.

eliza that is fantastic news!!!! Woohoooo!!!!!

kirrin yay for positive news re kirrin horse! Hope your nose feels better soon it sounds quite sore!

Hope you've had some sleep tonight izzy

Crocheting sounds ok gt was under the impression it was harder than knitting. I am still knitting e a jumper. All was going well until elyza was born ans mum hasnt had time to show me how to swe it all together and knit the thick collar bit. Would love to knit some more but am determined to finish this. Don't think it will fit so will have to give it to someone with a smaller person I think!

Bless him he's crying again. Fucksticks sad

Kyz Tue 24-Sep-13 06:35:52

I have given up and am having a coffee. He is in bed but awake. Desperate to sleep though which is why I haven't gotten him up. He is sneezing alot and whimpering. No temp though. I hope the lack of other quiche members means you've all had a good night's sleep! especially izzy

Pikz Tue 24-Sep-13 07:09:57

Waving at you Kyz, its hard why they sleep normally as it knocks you for six.

Ginger how long did it take LO to settle at nursery?

Izzy hope your night improved

Eliza that is awesome news

Kirrin glad for positive horse news and hope the nose is better.

Better night here 7-3-4.30-6 which is a huge improvement. Feeling a lot more positive thanks to dp and a cuddle and a smiling boy.

Now just to hope for better nursery!

fruitpastilles Tue 24-Sep-13 07:10:04

I had a not so good night too, although not as bad as yours kyz is E still snuffly this morning? chasing was given some good advice for O's cold the other day maybe you could try it for E tonight, in case he's coming down with one. I can't remember what it was though blush

S just wanted to play last night. I was not amused.

fruitpastilles Tue 24-Sep-13 07:13:34

Cross posts pikz glad you had a better night and are feeling positive smile

Kyz Tue 24-Sep-13 07:30:33

you sound much more positive pikz really pleased you had a better night smile

sorry your night wasn't fab either fruit sad e is still snuffly this morning, clear snot streaming from his nose, bit of a cough. pretty low temperature though at 34.1 :/ not sure what to make of that! e had a cold or two last winter, so I remember dealing with it then but the tips passed on to chasing have helped jog my memory smile I will read over them again.

e is up now. playing and sneezing quite happily but will not drink. he had half his bottle. he keeps lying on the floor so I think he is still tired. and his farts smell rancid. yum!

fruitpastilles Tue 24-Sep-13 07:35:11

Haha typical bloke farts then!

Pikz Tue 24-Sep-13 08:02:56

Lolol at the bloke farts.

Fruit sounds like a rubbish night. brew

Kyz he will be fine but it horrible whilst its going on.

Have managed to unpack! Woohoo. Order makes things right in my world. Such OCD!

Passmethecrisps Tue 24-Sep-13 08:21:28


I am so delighted eliza woohoo!

Oh dear. Just watching a toddler temper tantrum from one of our neighbours. He just knocked over the stone Loch Ness monster! Hmm. He now appears to be hiding behind my car. Fun times!

fruitpastilles Tue 24-Sep-13 08:22:19

We have all that to look forward too!

fruitpastilles Tue 24-Sep-13 08:22:35


PurplePidjin Tue 24-Sep-13 08:34:03

Eliza that's fanbloodytastic!!!!!!!!!!! thanks

Hello everyone else blush it's taken me an hour to catch up and have forgotten everything blush

Will pop a pic up shortly smile

Thechick Tue 24-Sep-13 08:38:22

Thanks for all the well wishes. I really appreciated it. The day was not as bad as I thought it would be. It was nice seeing everyone again and catching up on the gossip. My boss was lovely and basically said take as much time as I need to get back into things. It took me the whole day to get through my 2500 plus emails and I feel like I have no time to do anything but it was all okay.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 24-Sep-13 08:40:49


Remember pass they don't all tantrum. Much. grin I can count on one hand how many DS1 has had and DD didn't have one till she was 4. I think that May have been her line tantrum. She sulks. We won't discuss DD1. hmm

Good news about kirrinhorse kirrin I bet you are relieved.

Hope your day is better today pikz sounds like things are on the up.

Is a new day today. As MIL could not have boys on Thurs she is having them this morning so I can run my errands and clean upstairs. Can't go swimming as I have to stay in then for a stairs man.

Just pasted the below in by accident. Was going to remove but thought would be nice to share instead. Is lovely. I did it with blueberries and peaches and after blackberrying today I will try with blackberries and apples. And healthy. And gluten/lactose free!!!

Blueberry (or whatever fruit)crisp

4 cups of your chosen fruit.

For the crisp topping

1cup oats
1/2 cup unsalted pecans chopped up a bit
1/2 ground almonds
1/4 cup maple syrup
1/4 cup olive oil

Mix together all your crisp Ingredients
Put the fruit In 8 by 8 ish oven proof dish
Layer the crisp on the top

Bake at 180/200 for about 35 mins till fruit bubbles and top is beautifully golden brown

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 24-Sep-13 08:42:59

Good news eliza I bet you feel relieved.

Am pleased your day went well chick but how many actual emails did you manage to get through! I just binned all mine in the end when I went back. grin are you in again today?

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 24-Sep-13 08:50:52

Thanks all. Such a relief.

Sorry to read of bad nights and poorly babies. I thought I was in for a bad un as after I posted that she woke she took an hour to settle back down. Calpol sorted it in the end. I will revert to the usual and blame teeth.

DD1 has become obsessed with ET. I can think of worse films to have on constantly but she's a bit young for it so the constant questions get wearing. At least I manage to watch the end now without blubbing like a baby.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 24-Sep-13 09:02:56

pikz we took it really slowly for LO, leaving her for 5, 10, 15 minutes the first few days. She does fullish days now (8.45 - 5) and has been there for a month. It took two weeks before she stopped crying the whole time (up to two hours) but after that it was leaps and bounds. She still cries when I leave her, but she eats and sleeps well there, which she wouldn't if she was unhappy. She goes and plays with the other children rather than sitting back and just watching, but still gets upset if something bothers her routine. For example a mum came in yesterday about 15 minutes before me and she was furious that it wasn't me, and when I arrived I found her stood against the glass wall watching the door, crying and pounding the glass grin Shouldn't laugh but it was quite comical - not distress, but a real angry tantrum. So, horrible first two weeks, but can't complain at how she has progressed since smile

Pikz Tue 24-Sep-13 09:11:08

Thanks ginger. We are trying 10 mins today, he's napping now and I will take him when he wakes. I am so nervous.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 24-Sep-13 09:35:40

pikz I am sure he will be fine. It is really heartbreaking and tbh can mess your head up a bit when you first leave them, wondering whether you have done the right thing, but they do settle eventually. Xxx

Lobster peeps. What is nice to serve with a lobster Thermidore?

Pikz Tue 24-Sep-13 09:42:07

Thanks Sophia. Just dropped him.

Rice is good... Maybe flavour with saffron and peppers.

Kyz Tue 24-Sep-13 10:34:49

Lol pass I've witnessed some awful tantrums over the years with my siblings but some of them barely tantrum at all. My second younger sister had heaps of tantrums and is the most placid young lady in the world now! Well, she's got fire in her when she needs it but she would never start an argument etc. my brother started as he meant to go on, still tantrums now at 15! Mind you I think that's normal. He's a good egg really. I waffle. I apologise. I tired.

Glad it wasn't too bad chick smile

Sounds yummy sophia!

I have put e down for a sleep and he is stirring after 20 mins. Bollocks.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 24-Sep-13 11:41:28

My brother as a toddler used to bang his head on the floor during a tantrum, repeatedly. Til there was a bump on his forehead most of the time. It was horrible to watch but no long term harm done.

Kyz Tue 24-Sep-13 11:45:04

So did mine! He would hurl himself at a wall and slide down it banging his fists too. And he could go rigid and blue at the drop of a hat! Thankfully as my mums fourth she knew how to handle him. Little beggar.

Kyz Tue 24-Sep-13 13:44:22

Very quiet here today. I am trying to stay awake. Am crap.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 24-Sep-13 13:47:16

You're not crap kyz don't be so hard on yourself.

ChasingDaisy Tue 24-Sep-13 13:48:33

Oscar just crawled! grin grin grin grin grin grin

Kyz Tue 24-Sep-13 14:24:40

I don't mean to pr I am just knackered and not sure how I can be so done in after one bad night wheb others manage much better after constant bad nights

woohoo chasing!!! Bless him smile

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 24-Sep-13 14:26:55

Well done Oscar!

ChasingDaisy Tue 24-Sep-13 14:35:10

kyz, Oscar has slept through for the past 2 weeks. He woke up once last night and I'm shattered. totally normal smile

fruitpastilles Tue 24-Sep-13 14:44:50

Yay, go Oscar!

fruitpastilles Tue 24-Sep-13 14:45:46

S has leopard print leggings on today, dp keeps calling her bet lynch hmm

Brockle Tue 24-Sep-13 14:56:08

ds1 told Y not to do something yesterday so Y got angry, charged at him and bit ds1s toe shock grin I know I should have been cross but I was impressed at the understanding and temper. grin I think I may have my hands full with this one.

go Oscar!

stay away from the Christmas bargains thread. it is lethal.

Brockle Tue 24-Sep-13 14:56:54

Y has jeggings on..... and a very manly t-shirt..honest...

ChasingDaisy Tue 24-Sep-13 14:58:09

When I was at the doctors yesterday, a chavvy couple kept calling their baby boy sexy hmm

Got the bus home from MK today, which was practically empty but there were two of us with prams so we were squashed together in the space designed to only take 1 pushchair. Anyway, we bonded over Sophie la Giraffe and then had that awkward moment where we got off the bus at the same stop and I basically followed her home - turns out she is one of my neighbours!

ChasingDaisy Tue 24-Sep-13 14:58:40

I asked Oscar for a kiss and he bit my face.

fruitpastilles Tue 24-Sep-13 15:06:23

chasing my friend does that all the time! he's very cute yes! but sexy?!?! Not what I'd call an 8 week old.

fruitpastilles Tue 24-Sep-13 15:11:04

Every time I ask s for a kiss she claps haha, think she's getting confused

YellowWellies Tue 24-Sep-13 15:35:25

Woo hoo! He's cut his front tooth and the one next to it is coming through. He didn't have a disturbed night at all confused I don't know whether to feel thankful I've a baby who's unperturbed and stoic about teething or sad that he's used to pain from his reflux sad . The only time he's cried have been when he's jabbed his sore tooth with pork pie and couldn't eat it! At 11 months and 1 day is he the last to cut his first tooth!?

Today I've been mostly fending him off the dog's nylabone puppy teething toys. And fishing my washing back off the pair of the wee buggers when they organise a raiding party on the washing machine grin !

ChasingDaisy Tue 24-Sep-13 15:54:27

So apparently crawling = nap refusal. As soon as I put him down asleep he pings upright. He better fucking sleep tonight. I've left him mooing in his cot so I can come and have a cry in peace. I'm tired and lonely. Everyone I had plans with this week has cancelled so it looks like I won't have a single conversation with someone I know until Sunday at this rate. Fucking fantastic.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 24-Sep-13 16:13:46

(((Hugs))) chasing

Would you like to skype at some point?

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 24-Sep-13 16:23:04

DD1 has had some fantastic tantrums. She did the whole head butting the wall/floor thing too. Looking back it was quite a short phase but horrid at the time.

(((Hugs))) Chasing but yay to O for crawling

Awesome news on the weight increase Eliza 500g in 2 weeks is loads, M puts on 1kg in about 3 months.

Sorry you had a shitty night Kyz

I had a shit night but it was me rather than M. Was up being sick at 2am but haven't been since. Had today of work so I've loafed around on the sofa with the duvet watching tv. M is at the CM so it's weird being home alone. Feeling better than I did though so think it'll be back to work tomorrow for me.

Think I might put a pasta bake on and risk a bit. Other plans for the evening is to write a list of birthday/Christmas present ideas.

PurplePidjin Tue 24-Sep-13 17:50:19


I reckon this would work with vitalite or olive oil for the allergics among us smile

GTbaby Tue 24-Sep-13 17:51:39

Mil has lo on a potty. He screamed n screamed n screamed. Is now sat on fil with no nappy. Slightly worried about scaring lo for life re potty training partly hoping lo does a wee on the floor. White carpet. Hilarious.

StuntNun Tue 24-Sep-13 17:52:05

GT wtaf?

Thechick Tue 24-Sep-13 18:02:50

Sophia about 100. They were mostly things that are happening in the company. I'm shadowing the person that has been doing my job tomo and then will probably start back on Thursday or Friday. Thanks again for all the hand holding. I feel like I have no time of my own now though!!

Thechick Tue 24-Sep-13 18:05:36

Fruit H does the same. He has kiss, wave and clap mixed up. GT my mum said I should get a potty. I just smiled and nodded.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 24-Sep-13 18:09:17

GT why on earth has she decided to try and potty train your child? Can you put a stop to it? I had to stop my MIL from trying to train DD1 while I was in hospital and she was 8 months older than H is now. hmm

PurplePidjin Tue 24-Sep-13 18:18:38

What's wrong with putting them on if it's fun? Forcing H while he screams is clearly unacceptable and i have my fingers crossed for poo down fil's leg but if you know they go at a convenient time, put them on!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 24-Sep-13 18:40:43

Nothing wrong if it's fun pidj but gt didn't make it sound fun. As importantly it's gt's decision when to do it. I told mil that every time she mentioned it I would start it a month later than intended. She soon shut up.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 24-Sep-13 18:43:21

Ridiculous. Don't think you should do it till they can string a sentence together and can communicate. You can really damage them doing it too early. Having said that did you see that thing on TV early in the year about being a mum and this group of women who never put their babies in nappies? They work out when they need to go by their face. It was on channel 4.

PurplePidjin Tue 24-Sep-13 18:50:15

Elimination Communication. I know a woman who's 1yo runs round at home in a nappy with no cover so he can feel wet confused

R hollers when he's dirty of too wet anyway, without getting piss on the sofa!

I clearly have mad friends as i find the idea of a potty for a 10mo completely normal grin <departs train precisely 2 stops on from Dagenham>

TheDetective Tue 24-Sep-13 18:51:07

I now know the reason for the 5.45am waking, resulting in giving him a bottle.

And the ultra clingyness yesterday.

Motherfucking bastarding tooth number 4! The other top tooth. So now we have 2 top front and bottom.

And of course now I have the laptop out, O is insisting on sitting on my knee. Even though he was perfectly content, playing at the other side of the room. So I am reduced to one handed typing. hmm

Crap day in the office today. Super aching today. hmm O however was utterly delighted with my return. He was in MIL's arms, and practically launched out of them, in to mine! Then MIL wanted to give him a hug goodbye, and he just shook his head and buried his head in me, clinging on for dear life everytime she put her arms out for him.

It's good to be loved!

Hope DP gets home soon. My fanjo feels like it's turning inside out. Feel like I've been kicked up the arse with a boot. hmm

Going to get O shoes tomorrow I think. If I can find any I like. Can't find any in Clarks or Startrite. So will get him measured for now. Does anywhere actually do nice shoes for babies? That won't cause foot damage? I don't like the styles in the above places.

Made a lovely spanish spinach omelette for dinner. Out of the book Peaches sent me! O loved it, particularly the spinach. Must make more spinach recipes!. I have eaten a load of it too! It's supposed to go with my baked potato for tea. Oooops!

Fatima Hope you are feeling better!

Chick It sucks being back at work. I'd love to stay at home.

Kyz Sorry to read about your bad night. It is true - you stop being used to the sleepless nights, so it seems harder to cope with just one bad one. Weirdly.

GT Your PIL's are fucking batshit crazy! Hope FIL got shit on. grin

Chasing Yay for neighbour with baby! Take her on a coffee date grin.

Brockle I love that Y did that! So cool!! That'll teach DS1 eh?!

O going mad, post will have to end here! Demanding child!!

ChasingDaisy Tue 24-Sep-13 19:31:38

GT poor H sad Is he coping any better with his baths now? O cried during his today so I'm wondering whether his skin might be getting sore again.

Well since he learned how to crawl a few hours ago, he hasn't stopped! He has mastered the kitchen laminate, pulled the phone socket out of the wall and knocked a glass of water over!

In other shocking news, the ex in-laws apparently think I'm doing a good job with O shock They are very impressed with his crawling as well as his eating. All helped by the fact that XSIL hasn't started feeding her 10 month old meals yet hmm He still has just milk and a few snacks. Plus, is nowhere near crawling. Yeah, I'm smug

Also non-date guy 'liked' my FB video of O crawling. I am more pleased than I should be about this

StuntNun Tue 24-Sep-13 19:53:38

Trying to start potty training when another baby is due any day is just about the worst timing possible. I know a woman who does EC with her baby but only for poos, but apparently he only goes every few days so that makes it easier.

GTbaby Tue 24-Sep-13 20:33:10

Reduced movements. Being monitored in triage. Had a routine mw app anyway. Heart beat sounds good. But still no movement. N my bile acids are a lil bit higher then they should be. Mw said baby is sleepy despite the cola earlier n lucazade just now is not helping. Getting a lil anxious.

Re potty training. In India they don't use nappies. To expensive. But they don't have carpets! She is a nut case.
Will try put a stop to it but suspect she won't try again as it is more work for her n I ain't sitting there.

Battery is low. So sry I'm I go radio silent on you all.

ChasingDaisy Tue 24-Sep-13 20:35:04

((((hugs)))) GT. FWIW I had several episodes of reduced movement and Oscar was completely fine. Thinking of you xx

GTbaby Tue 24-Sep-13 20:36:38

Chasing was going to do two baths a week. So nxt one was yesterday. But he was so poorly just washed him down with wet towel.

fruitpastilles Tue 24-Sep-13 20:38:54

gt I also had reduced movements! I had to be monitored quite a few times towards the end, S was fine as well. X

Passmethecrisps Tue 24-Sep-13 20:43:52

Hello all.

Sounds rubbish GT. Good excuse to eat chocolate though. Fingers crossed all is well.

P had her consultant appointment today. She now weighs 17Ib1oz so has put on 750g in 3 months. This makes her on the same curve which is between the 9th and 25th. Consultant was pleased. She is on the 50th height and 90th for noggin. She was showing off good style walking round and round his room. He was trying to make her come to him and muttering about stranger anxiety. Fat chance. She hurled herself at him and ended up stretched out on his knee getting her tummy rubbed!

Brockle Tue 24-Sep-13 20:44:01

that's cos you are doing an amazing job chasing

putting babies on pottys is fine if they are happy about it but it won't get them out of nappies any earlier. SIL did that with DN and he still wasn't potty trained at 3 and a half. Y hides to poo. if he is in a corner or under the table.he will be brewing a poo.

hope you are feeling better fatima smile

given that he will have shoes on so little det I would stick with clarks/startrite. get him some glam wellies for winter grin

Passmethecrisps Tue 24-Sep-13 20:45:32

And yes, chasing! O is secure and happy and healthy which is why he is doing so well.

Passmethecrisps Tue 24-Sep-13 20:46:34

P likes to stand to poo now. She makes grunts and her wee eyes stream. If you catch her eye she does a little strained smile at you.

ChasingDaisy Tue 24-Sep-13 20:52:28

Oscar is 90th for noggin too pass! I bought him a hat today and had to buy the 1-2 year old size shock

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 24-Sep-13 20:56:12

I am shock gt. Stupid bloody mil.

I can't really comprehend trying to potty train a child that can't speak. E does tend to poo roughly round the same times each day and I can always tell when she's going but no way would I try and potty train her. Still each to their own and all that.

chasing Haha good on you and good on O for showing up SIL's parenting ways. You should feel very smug.

fatima Glad you've managed to at least rest up today. Good luck with the eating!

brockle I know what you mean about the christmas bargain thread. Things like that end up making me spend more money as I try and justify buying things I wouldn't have before because they are cheap. I do keep my eye on it though to see if things I am intending to buy are on special offer.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 24-Sep-13 21:03:30

Thinking of you gt. Hope all is ok x

pass Am so pleased the appt went well. I was thinking of you earlier. P is doing fantastically well.

fruitpastilles Tue 24-Sep-13 21:05:23

brockle and pass you have both just made me lol and nearly wake S up....... At brewing a poo (I used to have a poo corner until I was about 7 where I'd 'brew' blush) and even more so when I just got a visual of P straining and smiling grin

BigPigLittlePig Tue 24-Sep-13 21:06:58

Hope everything ok gt xx

Knackered tonight, screamathon from a teething F who's just gone to sleep on me. Haven't had tea. Haven't started work presentation. Total nightmare.

<<Hugs to everyone who needs them>>

Passmethecrisps Tue 24-Sep-13 21:09:34

Haha! Maybe i should take a poo pic? Or is that abuse?

Thanks eliza I was really pleased. He is delighted with her eating and was happy that she is getting enough calcium.

I was watching her earlier and thinking how wonderful it must be to be so utterly trusting and self-assured that you can lie in the arms of a strange man and be completely unconcerned. How a shy mummy made such a loose lady is beyond me!

Passmethecrisps Tue 24-Sep-13 21:14:00

What's the presentation on bp? My pp tip is less is more. Let what you have to say do the talking rather than people gawping at the screen. Spend less time fiddling with the software and more time thinking about your delivery. As a shy person who loves public speaking I am an anomaly. Take 3 or 4 sharp breaths in just before you need to get up. Look at your audience, take a long breath in and smile. If people are on your side it really helps and if you smile at them genuinely then they will be willing you on.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 24-Sep-13 21:19:15

Whatever I like (lung diseases) - haven't even decided yet. Shall see if I can get it done at work tomorrow.

Pass how much milk does P have? F has had 8oz today confused so am a bit very twitched about calcium.

Passmethecrisps Tue 24-Sep-13 21:28:38

I see. People like to hear speaking. Trust that.

P has about 180-200ml in the morning. 120ml afternoon and 260ml evening. During the week she eats salmon, avocado, baked beans and hummus every week.

Passmethecrisps Tue 24-Sep-13 21:28:54

Paed gave the 'around a pint' chat

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 24-Sep-13 21:32:18

bp agree with passes presentation philosophy. Once worked with some Sky News/ BBC presenters on a regular event I used to run and they defo said, less slides, more talk, keep reiterating your message in different words and " leave them with a soundbite" hmm

Hope you are ok gt thinking of you! update us on your progress. Xx

Well done Oscar dude! You are doing a fine job * chasing*

Night night everyone. (Look at me, posting after 6!!!)

GTbaby Tue 24-Sep-13 21:35:13

This is not a drill. I'm being induced tonight at some point.

Is this the start of my live birth thread? Keep in mind folks that last induction took 3days... Can I just stay here with you guys? I can't think of a name for a new thread. And can't link from my phone anyway.

confused Oh I'm getting nervous.

YellowWellies Tue 24-Sep-13 21:38:28

BP was it you or Bryz who recommended the tescos free from tropical smoothies - heaps of calcium and great for CMPI babies. Another tool in the arsenal. The bear hates beans and avocado!!

YellowWellies Tue 24-Sep-13 21:39:41

Woooo GT lots of luck! Take care and may the force be with you smile

Kyz Tue 24-Sep-13 21:40:54

Evening all smile dp has been a star today, when E had his afternoon nap (or semblance of) he stayed home instead of going to the gym and I got 1.5 hrs sleep because he kept going in to see to e when he needed it only twice thankfully aaand when I woke up he said he had a present for me and in a big brown box was a brand new shiny nipper v3 buggy!!! He said it is an anniversary present, I thought it very sweet smile they are expensive and I had said the v2 were on sale but by the time he decided to get me one he forgot what I'd said and assumed I'd want the v3, lol. It is so nice and shiny. Unfortunately I didn't put the wheels on etc until e went to bed but I will test drive it tomorrow, providing e is up to it. He wouldn't eat lunch but only drank 2oz milk, I thought I should offer it based on his lack of eating. Then he would only eat puréed fruit for tea, and raisins, didn't even want biscuits. He did drink all of his bed time bottle though eventually. He has been asleep for almost two hours with 3 resettles so so far better than yesterday. Tonight he has a calpol vapour plugin to help, haven't used one before, and I gave pre emptive calpol.

Glad to hear its normal I'm so nackered! Have been feeling quite rubbish about that.

Lol brockle that would've cracked me up!!

Yaay for teefs yw!! smile

chasing e was the same! it stopped after a short while a week or two I think. He does still get up but instead of moaning he usually lies back down now. Glad the ILs can see what an amazing job you're doing!

Poor h gt he clearly wasn't impressed!! Hope all is well with bump, am sure it is fine smile ooh just read your last reply, fucking hell, good luck, so exciting!!!!

Glad you have the reason for early wakening and bottle det. I feel sorry for your poor fanjo and your achyness too sad

Good stuff pass smile p sounds so wonderful! E prefers to poo standing too lol

Aw bplp sounds none too fun sad hope you manage to get your presentation sorted and some tea eaten!

E has just stirred. FC for some sleep tonight. Seems that plug in is working well. I only got it last week cos it was half price and I thought it looked quite cool! Not sure where to get refills for it though!

Passmethecrisps Tue 24-Sep-13 21:40:57

Oh good luck gt!! It is soooooo exciting!

TheDetective Tue 24-Sep-13 21:52:56

<Waves at GT>


It should be a little quicker. Fingers crossed. smile