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Is there a September 2013 group yet?

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Gingerandlemon Sun 15-Sep-13 19:41:25

Just that really! I gave birth two weeks ago on 1st September and am so ready to start asking everyone if they're going through the same stuff as me!!

HDino Mon 16-Sep-13 07:25:55

Hi
I'm also trying to find the same. Welcomed our little baby girl almost 2 weeks ago. Can't believe how quick the time is going. How you getting on Gingerandlemon?

Peabody25 Mon 16-Sep-13 08:10:25

Not seen one but would love to be part of one! Had our little boy on Thursday!

Gingerandlemon Mon 16-Sep-13 16:17:22

Let's start one, Peabody! How are you getting on?

Gingerandlemon Mon 16-Sep-13 16:20:16

Oh sorry hdino I didn't see your post. We have a lovely group of three!

How are you both doing? I'm ok but had an emcs and struggling with the recovery. Our little girl is amazing though so I'm not holding a grudge smile

Wincher Mon 16-Sep-13 16:23:11

We're all still over on the antenatal group for now, it feels bad to leave those still waiting! Can't link right now as am feeding, but come and find us there and maybe get people to come over here!

Wincher Mon 16-Sep-13 16:26:49
Gingerandlemon Mon 16-Sep-13 22:59:08

Thanks Wincher!
I'd lurked a bit around the August antenatal club because we were due on the 26th but our little peanut had other ideas and decided she would wait until 5 past midnight on the 1st to be a September baby and the very oldest in her year! I'll either start hanging around the September club if I have chance or else chat with the other couple of ladies here for now and encourage people over later! Either way I look forward to getting to know you all a bit and hear all about your babies smile

HDino Tue 17-Sep-13 15:36:10

Hi ginger. Our little girl is an angel and we are loving parenthood. Still trying to get to grips with breast feeding. Didn't think it would be this complicated hmm.

Gingerandlemon Tue 17-Sep-13 18:46:31

I know it's a minefield, huh? And surprisingly painful although I'm not sure why because we've had our latch checked plenty of times. Our little one has a bit of a tongue tie though which is getting fixed Thursday so hopefully that'll help.

What have you called your girlie? Was your labour ok?

Peabody25 Wed 18-Sep-13 07:01:22

Sorry, didn't get chance to reply yesterday! Our little guys doing brilliantly! Can't believe you can love one little person so much! Hes Feeding really well just need to get the hang of the Moses basket for sleepy time! Slowly building up time spent in there and alternating with time spent on mummy or daddy. Everyone else doing okay? Those if you who's partners have or will be going back to work soon after pat leave, what are your plans for who'll do what? We thought maybe split shifts and me going to bed a lot earlier.

Gingerandlemon Thu 19-Sep-13 05:27:58

My husband went back to work Tuesday and I've been doing most of the night shifts since I'm breastfeeding and he really needs to be alert for his work. He gets up to help if I need him to for whatever reason but I generally feel a bit guilty asking! He tends to take her for an hour or so before bed and in the morning though and she's a pretty good sleeper so it's not too bad. Plus my mum has been coming over in the mornings so I get to catch up a bit then too. On days when he doesn't have work the next day he stays up later with her and gets up earlier.

I know what you mean, I completely smitten with my little one. I just smile at her all the time and have to struggle not to keep kissing her while she's sleeping or else I wake her up!!

HDino Fri 20-Sep-13 06:27:33

Quick question Ginger who made the diagnosis of tongue tie? Our HV came round yesterday whilst I was breast feeding and noticed my daughter makes a clicking sound and suggested maybe its tongue tie. She didn't check her or anything. I'm thinking of going to the GP today to get him/her to check.

Got to say I'm a little peeved at the HV as I thought she would check

Thanks

Gingerandlemon Fri 20-Sep-13 18:02:18

Yeah that's strange. Why mention it if she's not going to help you with it? Ours was made by the midwife when we were leaving hospital. They checked for various things when we were getting ready to go. They spotted it and then said to mention it to my community midwife when I got home. She was a bit disgruntled that they hasn't. Sorted it but made the referral and they saw us two weeks later.

purplemurple1 Fri 20-Sep-13 21:09:59

Hi,

Can I join you?

I should really be on the Aug thread as my boy came 8days early on the 31st Aug.

Peabody - OH goes back on Monday officially (although he has worked 10days during the last 3 weeks of holiday/parental leave), I do the midnight feed and he does the 5.30am feed 3/4 days a week when he is home/working from home I do the others and I'll do the 2am feed 6 nights a week. weirdly I'm finding this OK and I'm not esp. tired. Other house work and baby care is split 50/50 when we are both home and off work, otherwise I do most of it as I'm only working 1 day a week and he is FT. We both have an incentive to make to fair as we swap roles in a few months and I go back FT and he takes parental leave for a few months.

Is anyone else mixed feeding? Our boy lost 15% of his birth weight so we started mixed feeding 11 days ago, and we're struggling with how much to feed and understanding why does he comes of the breast dribbling out breast milk and then needs a bottle 2min later? I'm thinking of dropping the bf so we can be more confident he is getting enough food.
How are you finding it?

HDino Fri 20-Sep-13 22:12:57

Thanks ginger! Well went to GP earlier and she said there's nothing but to come back if there are further concerns.
Just feel like I'm constantly worrying at the moment - does help with PIL constantly passing comment!

Purple we've been mix feeding as well because of the same reasons. Some days she content with bf but some days needs a top up. I want to keep up with the bf as even a little bit of nutrients is good I suppose.
Maybe your baby's going through a growth spurt?

Kkklll Sun 22-Sep-13 21:52:05

Hi all been looking out for this group too! We were due 27th August but our little lady didnt make an appearance until 5th September, bit of a traumatic and long labour, finishing in theatre with attempted forceps delivery-failed so emergency c section. My husband went back to work last week. He does the midnight ish feed and I go to bed at 10ish then do the night feeds. Nice to have some people to chat to as I am more or less house bound and can't drive for 6 weeks! The whole c section knocked me for six especially as I had never been in hospital before.

FreckleyGirlAbroad Thu 26-Sep-13 08:42:08

Can I jump on too?? (Or really carefully clamber on as all a bit sore still). Our ds joined us exactly a week ago today but stated in neo natal unit for first 5 days. Now finally home and we're all still fumbling in the dark, especially re the feeding..... He seems to be on the boob 24 hrs a day and we're trying to wean him off the bottle which he had every 3 hrs in the hospital.

HDino Thu 26-Sep-13 08:56:22

Welcome kkklll and freckley. Glad to hear you're both well ( as can be) and so are you're little bubbas.

Freckley how's your little one? How's the feeding? Has your milk come in?

My DD is now 3 weeks and still feeding on demand - i.e every 1.5/2 hours. I always worry whether she's getting enough. Can't say I've got the best supply of milk

FreckleyGirlAbroad Thu 26-Sep-13 09:22:50

Hdino, thanks for asking! He's just fine and gorgeous and feeding really well. The only thing I'm struggling with is that I don't think at night he takes enough to give him a good period of uninterrupted sleep so we end up giving him a top up with formula as he is used to that from the hospital. I want to start expressing so I can give him a decent amount at bed time to help him go down. It reassures me to know your dd's on demand is every 1.5-2 hours like here!!!!

Frenchgin Thu 26-Sep-13 09:46:20

Hi all my ds arrived on 2nd September 2 weeks late! He's utterly gorgeous but driving me to distraction with his sudden unwillingness to sleep at night. He too likes to feed every 1.5-2 hours and I'm not convinced he gets enough each time. Bf is definitely one of the hardest things ever!

Kkklll I can empathise I ended up with emergency c section too totally wasn't expecting to not be able to drive for 6 weeks so restricting - although tbh getting out the house can be a mission anyway!!!

Hope everyone's doing well.

Mooster1709 Fri 27-Sep-13 13:34:34

Hi all, hope it's ok to join you from the September antenatal thread. Dd is 4 weeks now and the sleep deprivation is still killing me! She's also really really sicky -after every feed - which makes feeding in public a bit of a nightmare...

PurplePoppySeed Sat 28-Sep-13 14:12:05

Hi everyone, another member of the sept antenatal thread popping in to say hi! DD born 18th born at home in a birthing pool and so far I've not ventured more than a short walk away from home! First trip out this afternoon!

Anyway, just wanted to say hi, will be frequenting the other thread until all babies appear than straight back here xx

fl0b0t Sat 28-Sep-13 18:02:03

Hi all! Another from the Sept 2013 Antenatal thread here!

Baby Robin is 3 weeks old on monday and awesome (if we ignore the intimittent colic!). Been out and about a few times but then had a relatively unstressful birth (until third stage) and no stitches, plus managed to keep walking and cycling (cycled up to 38+2 and baby born at 38+6, would have continued cycling up to 38+6 but had no reason to!!). Husband went back to work on Thursday and we're coping ok so far.

Spent the day watching the cycling on telly and putting together baby's Keepsake book that a friend made for him- so we walked into town to print some pictures and been sticking them into the book. smile

Also have a blog here: bumpytimes.wordpress.com/ if anyone wants to read my ramblings!

SGJ Sat 28-Sep-13 20:35:38

Crashing from the ante-natal thread too! DD2, aka Erin, will be 4 weeks on Monday and is lovely! She's a very placid and undemanding baby (so far!) which I feel I somewhat deserve when taking drama queen DD1 in to consideration! But overall all is going well and I'm loving life with 2 daughters.

badguider Sat 28-Sep-13 21:38:17

Hi,

Another from the September ante-natal thread. Ds was due 5th September but arrived on 31st August - hope you'll still allow me on the thread? smile

So four weeks old today. Pretty easy birth and recovery thankfully. We can get out and about so long as its places I can feed. Ds is bf and only goes a max of two hours between feeds. Feeding is going ok but I'm a lot more comfortable in friends houses or at dedicated baby meets than just generally out - and being outside on my own with nowhere immediately obvious to sit and feed stresses me out after one time I got trapped on a park bench and it started to rain!

CharlW1 Sat 28-Sep-13 22:40:25

Hi all - im from the September ante natal thread too - I was due 6th September but had Isla on the 29th August- can not believe she'll be a month old tomorrow!

sailinggirlie Sun 29-Sep-13 06:45:21

Ginger! You were due the same day as me! My daughter waited till the 3rd to arrive! X

sailinggirlie Sun 29-Sep-13 06:51:35

Oh and I'm glad to see other emergency c sections here too! Well, not glad for you but glad not to be alone! Hadn't anticipated that at all and the no driving and limited lifting is doing my head in!! Xx

Joskar Sun 29-Sep-13 09:08:18

Hi,

Also from Sept ante-natal thread.

Labour = hellish. Labour for 8 hours then discovered she was breech then EMCS.

Feeding = hellish. Very little supply. Expressing all the time. Boob refusing. Formula.

Baby = awesome. Just the best wee girl in the world. Utterly charming and beautiful and obv extremely intelligent.

kipsonline Sun 29-Sep-13 20:11:14

Hello! Another sept-antenatal thread-er here too! Although DS3 was actually born early on 16 aug... V fortunate to have a 30min (yes, really!) v straightforward labour but just as well with a DH who works long hours and a v lively 6 and 3 yo to keep up with.. Am fully bf, not getting a huge amount of sleep and never any chance to catch up in the day but don't feel as bad as I should, again, just as well grin currently enjoying wine and cake after a crazy day...

RunningBear78 Mon 30-Sep-13 08:50:57

Rrrroooooaaarrrrr crashing in from the September antenatal thread grin hello!!

babybear born on the 14th, 10 hour straight forward labour at home. Feel pretty much recovered now and have been out and about quite a bit. First public feed at the council offices when we went to register ds, coupled with gigantic noisy poo during the registration interview ...and first public nappy change. Same happened the next day at the hearing test. Also bf and changed on the grass in a local park! Feel quite brave about the whole thing, but do need to sort clothing out ...

jennimoo Mon 30-Sep-13 13:42:59

Hello! Also from the antenatal thread but DS arrived 26th August so 5 weeks today. He's DC2 so not really had time to stress about anything this time around. BFing successfully it seems as he's growing huge!

Wincher Mon 30-Sep-13 15:40:44

I amalso from the antenatal thread, ds2 was born2.5 weeks ago. Had the perfect home water birth and have found things much easier second time round, but the sleep deprivation is a real killer.

Rollermum Mon 30-Sep-13 16:26:17

Hi everyone,

I'd like to join you all smile Congratulations on all your babies!

My DD1 was born a week ago on 23rd, after a difficult birth - 5 day induction wiped me our, then long labour with drip and ended in forceps delivery. I lost a lot of blood and still feel utterly exhausted.

My DH is being great, and BF is going better than I thought it would at this stage but emotionally I am fragile and desperate to catch up on sleep.

Am amazed so many of you are able to go out and function in the real world - hopefully we'll get there!

FreckleyGirlAbroad Mon 30-Sep-13 16:58:27

* badguider* I so know what you mean about the feeding when out and about. I had to enjoy the pleasures of feeding whilst sat on the disabled toilet in a department store the other day! Plus my D's trends to latch on then just lie there, as though it's more a comfort thing than feeding!!!

Those of you with stitches, how long before this feeling of being hit between the legs with a cricket bat starts to fade! I'm 11 days on and the bleeding is showing down but the aches...... Ohhh the aches!!!

BinarySolo Mon 30-Sep-13 17:11:09

Hi there I was on the anti natal thread too. Ds2 was due on5th sept but born on 29th august. He's so perfect. Labour was induced so done and dusted in 6 hours. 6 excruciatingly painful hours!

Only told one person this in real life, cos it makes me sound insane, but when he was born he was really alert and smiling. I mean really smiling so that even his dad comment. And the crazy bit which may be a side effect of copious amounts of gas and air, but he was sort of sparkly.

That looks so stupid now it's written down. blush

WaggyBlueElf Mon 30-Sep-13 17:28:00

Hi, I was a (pretty lazy) member of the sept antenatal group as well. My son was born on sept 11th (there's a date no-one will forget!) after being induced. I found labour really tough - v painful v quickly and contractions that were too strong and too close together according to the midwife. And after pushing for an hour, he still wasn't budging so had an episiotomy and ventouse to get him out. Ouchy. Stitches are a lot better now but they did get infected after a few days, which was fun.

He can't work out how to breastfeed (or he's too lazy to) so I'm expressing and giving it to him in a bottle. Bit hassley but never mind. I also think he's got a bit of colic - for the last few days he's been screaming more than usual for no apparent reason. We're trying infacol and burping him religiously, but if anyone has any other tips they'd be gratefully received. Ah, here we go, screaming again...best go!

MammaGnomes Mon 30-Sep-13 19:43:36

Hi all,

From the antenatal thread too although I have tailed off a bit but kept up to date on FB

Eliza was born on 19th so 11 days old today she's currently snoozing in her Moses basket - runningbear I swear I get her out sometimes ha ha

pretty straight forward labour only 8 hrs active which I hear is pretty good for your first?!

OH goes back to work tomorrow so I'm guessing that's when I'll find out exactly how hard this parenting malarky is. I'm nervous but also excited that I can do things at my pace and figure out our own routines. I also have my mum for a few days to help out.

weebarra Mon 30-Sep-13 20:03:59

From the antenatal thread too. DD, my DC3, was born at 37+4 on 21st August, so is six weeks old on wed.
We're doing fine, she's had no choice but to fit into the interminable school run that is my life!
I've developed an abcess in my breast which isn't responding to anti-bs so currently feeding from good boob and topping up. DD is gorgeous but high maintenance, loves a good vomit too, so we're on the gaviscon.
Her big brothers adore her!

Checking in from the anti-natal thread. A big lurker but chip in when I can. I'm so confused with names now as I check the FB group a lot more.

Emily is 11 days and it feels like she's always been here. DD1 (16mo) just loves her.

Still managing to BF and pleased that she only lost 1.4% of her weight on day 5 and was weighed in at 7lb 10 on Thursday (up from 7lb 3!) smile

Kittenkatzen Tue 01-Oct-13 01:06:24

Hellooooooooooooo!! Another from the AN thread here, have been so slack on mn recently though and only really keeping up with the fb page, will try and do better!

DS was born 20th September after a pretty hellish 36 hour labour which started out calm and dignified in a birthing pool in a mw led centre and ended in an ambulance transfer to hospital followed by failed ventouse, forceps, episiotomy, the works. Currently still hobbling round the house fighting cabin fever having burst a stitch - ouch sad

In the plus side, little W is amazing and doing well bf despite a tongue tie. We were discharged by the mw today after he gained 6oz in under a week...the little piglet is now 8lb 12oz!

Hello, another ante-natal poster here. DD2 was born 17th by EMCS. Labour was ok until it wasn't (baby was struggling), and I ended up having a lot more of an operation than expected due to excess scar tissue from last time. Ended up stuck in hospital for a while, and was feeling pretty low, but recovery is actually going really well. Feeling pretty good, both physically and emotionally. I reckon the lovely baby cuddles are helping with that.

Our little porker didn't actually lose any of her birth weight, and by day 4 had actually put on 2oz. Will hopefully get weighed again this afternoon. We're ff as I was just too beaten up after the op to keep up with bf. Still feeling a bit sad and guilty about it as she took to bf so well (unlike DD1 who chewed!) but she's doing really well, so I'm sure I'll get over it.

Binary, that didn't sound stupid to me, it sounded lovely. Probably something to do with the gas and air, beta-endorphines, and oxytocin, but still lovely. smile

fl0b0t Tue 01-Oct-13 12:43:44

Hi all!
Anyone else got a baby going through the three week growth spurt?!
My word. He's been okish at night but two days running I've barely been able to put him down after his morning feed as he just wakes up and wants to feed again! Poor poppet! STARVING!

I've also twinged my lower back (bloody car seats!) so trying to avoid the up/down/up/down of trying to get a baby to sleep in the moses basket!

In other news- my sister moved about 40 miles away (but opposite side of London) and started a new job end of August (she's a teacher) (oh and got married but that's a whole other thing)... and she's only been to see her nephew once in the first few weeks of his life (where she talked about her new job for three hours)... and I haven't heard from her in two weeks :-S I texted her yesterday inviting her and (bah) husband over but she said they're not free for 3 weeks.... AIBU to think she will regret not seeing her (currently only blood relative) nephew when she realises how much he has changed? She loves kids, but seems very disinterested in Robin :-( My SIL (who has a baby) seems more interested!

EmmaDee Wed 02-Oct-13 01:13:27

Hi all, also from the antenatal thread, little Thomas was born 11/09/2013. Waters broke early hours of sSu day morning (8th) went to hospital with drunk dh in tow as I was only 38 weeks. They sent me home back in Monday had pessary didn't work up to labour wars late in the Tuesday evening for iv. Totally mental labour had remi (crazy stuff) then epidural eventually!! Then after 19hours the wee man's head not presenting properly had to go to surgery for forceps. Horrible way for him to arrive but to be honest I can't remeber very much!!

Well hope your all enjoying your new bundles ad much as me, however if anyone has any magic sleep dust it would be greatly appreciated, or baby hypnotism techniques?!

Frenchgin Wed 02-Oct-13 13:19:29

Horrible though it is its good to hear others are struggling with sleep deprivation I don't feel so alone!

DS started off well even sleeping 4 hours sometimes but has regressed and now at 4 weeks if I get 2 hours in a row & 5 hours overall (in 10 minute chunks!) it's a good night! He's decided he doesn't like his Moses basket any more which is making things difficult.....

FastWindow Wed 02-Oct-13 20:37:58

<waves at roller>

Hello, can I join? Had DD on the 22nd, sneeze baby, and double surprise when she didn't have a willy. Spent nine months (and 5 loooong days) convinced I was having a bit as the pg was identical to my first.

Still a bit shock that I'm a mum of two!

FastWindow Wed 02-Oct-13 20:38:37

A boy. A boy. Damn phone.

Joskar Wed 02-Oct-13 21:14:53

How are the breastfeeding mums doing?

I'm desperate to bf and it's just not happening. DD is not interested. She's 11 days old and not ill in any way. I'm expressing all the time to keep the supply going and to give her as much as poss of the good stuff but (somewhat bitterly) topping up with Aptamil. Doing lots of skin to skin and trying to create positive boob associations. Starting to feel a bit dispirited. I think the noise of the pump (Philips Avent) is starting to wear my nerves thin. Plus it leaks all the time (if anyone is considering buying it save your £100 would be my advice!). Don't they use repetitive noise as a form of torture in some countries?

Any thoughts? Anyone else?

fl0b0t Thu 03-Oct-13 02:33:35

I loved the sound of the medula ! But then it was given to me second hand which is the kind of price I like! bf now going well here but my boy is a hungry hippo. Was worth persevering for us. Have you been to any more bf clinics?

Frenchgin Thu 03-Oct-13 05:35:39

Hi Joskar sorry you're finding bf hard. I really struggled at first and ended up going to the local midwife led centre quite a few times to get help. My problem was a poor latch though & we were having to top up with formula too.Can you get to a group with a bfn? They can be really helpful.

I must admit I really didn't think bf would be this difficult. My ds is 4 weeks now and still having good and bad days but I'm glad I've persevered. Although night feeds when he's taking 2 hours I could happily hand over grin

Hope things get better soon

Batbear Thu 03-Oct-13 08:25:45

Can I join in too? I lurked last night during my nighttime feed!
My DS was born on 5 Sept (13 days late) after an induction. He had a tongue tie which was treated last week, but has been BF all along and is doing better now the tie is cut.

He's got a horrible cough and cold at the moment thanks to his 3 YO brother giving it to all of us. It's making him a bit miserable but he's managing so far!

weebarra Thu 03-Oct-13 14:30:55

Joskar - not doing great with bfing. DD completely refused to latch onto right breast in hosp. Went to bf clinic and eventually got her to latch with nipple shields, then I got an abcess and she won't latch even with the shields.
She's fine on the other boob but it's so frustrating, esp as I fed DS2 till he was over 2. And yy to the sound of that bloody pump!

Joskar Thu 03-Oct-13 21:01:22

The bloody bastarding arsing pump broke today.

One week! One effing week it lasted! So, so, so pissed off. £100! Tears have been shed. Trying my best with the hand pump. At least it doesn't make a noise. Hopefully the hospital grade one will arrive tomorrow.

Thanks for the advice. Can't go to clinics because I can't drive post c-section and the clinic is 20 miles away and I loathe the two MWs that run it. One of them suggested I take Domperidone. When I asked her about the pros and cons she told me to Google it shock! So angry with all the MWs I've had contact with I don't think I can look at one without spitting.

However...

Today DD took the boob three (THREE!) times! So, so happy!

Maybe...maybe we've turned a corner. Maybe.

Keep your fingers crossed for me folks.

JethroTull Thu 03-Oct-13 21:05:27

Hello. Can I join? I was a lurker on the Oct thread but didn't manage to post much as found it hard to keep up. I ended up having an ELCS on 23rd Sept as baby was breech.

I'm another one struggling to to BF, had very little support whilst in hospital. DS struggles to latch on. Am expressing at the moment & last night gave him a formula top up which helped all of us massively - 4 hours straight sleep seemed like a week! Have got an appointment with BF counsellor tomorrow so am hoping that will help. I suspect a tongue tie...
It is good to read that it's not just me. It was driving me insane. I was an emotional wreck yesterday!

JethroTull Thu 03-Oct-13 21:07:14

Joskar I agree with you about most midwives. Unhelpful, unsupportive and more interested in moaning to their colleagues than helping mums. <rant over>

fl0b0t Fri 04-Oct-13 00:46:52

Sorry you guys had crappy experiences with mw. Ours were great mostly!

Batbear Fri 04-Oct-13 01:26:05

Glad things are improving Joskar - hope this is a turning point for you.

Jethro DS tongue tie made feeding tricky (mostly painful for me). Since it's been done it is less painful although he is still learning how to feed properly.

DS cold is still nasty- he is otherwise ok, but as I can hear him wheezing at times so will ring the HV tomorrow for advise I think.

Frenchgin Fri 04-Oct-13 03:37:43

That's good news Joskar fingers crossed it keeps improving.

Anyone else awake? 2 hours sleep so far trying to keep awake as DS (said through slightly gritted teeth...!) try's to suck each boob dry. He's extra disgruntled tonight darn it!

Frenchgin Fri 04-Oct-13 03:40:10

Regarding mw around here they are soooooo overworked (mine was in appointments 7am-8pm with rarely a break) I think that post natal care can take third place to ante natal & labour which is very frustrating.

Livvylongpants Fri 04-Oct-13 05:09:44

Joining you all ! My little lad was born 27th at 2.11am weighing 8lb and half an ounce. Was in active labour for only 169 minutes and had a really positive experience compared to the labour with 2 year old DD

Anyone else on DC2 finding it hard. Baby bobby sleeps amazingly well. Normally 9 - 12 has a but if milk then back down until 3.30 then up again around 7.30. However DD had been waking between 3.30 and 5.30 and gets up for the day and the exhaustion is killing me, actually started crying at 3.30 this morning when she got up sad

Frenchgin Fri 04-Oct-13 05:32:57

Hi Livvylongpants I'm finding it hard enough with one! Is waking this early a new thing for your DD? Hopefully someone will have some advice for you.

I've managed 30 minutes sleep since last post so completely understand about the crying feeling very frustrated as don't know how to make things better. I'm going to be very grumpy tomorrow!!!

Livvylongpants Fri 04-Oct-13 05:40:39

Yes it is a new thing. I think it started as me and DH took it I. Turns to sleep downstairs with the baby so that both of us feet decent sleep (I express and feed, through choice which seems by to happen on here that often)

DD co-sleeps (sooo not doing that this time) so I think she woke and went to find the missing parent, now we are all back upstairs she's just got in the habit now sad can't believe bobby is a week old already. I feel sad knowing ill blink and hell be a toddler, I must be the only person who loves the newborn stage!!

I feel your pain with the tiredness, you are not alone lol

Livvylongpants Fri 04-Oct-13 05:41:36

So tired I can't even spell, off to register his birth in te morning so no sleep when DH gets up either

mynameisnotmichaelcaine Fri 04-Oct-13 06:18:20

Aww, hon. Having a newborn and a toddler was the hardest thing I've ever done. Hang in there, it gets SO much better. Baby Casper is my third (born 15th Sept), and it's a doddle in comparison, as I cart dd and ds1 off to school and go back to bed if I need to.

Batbear Fri 04-Oct-13 08:00:02

Hi livvylongpants - I have a 3 year old DS1 as well. The lack of rest is pretty hard. I so far haven't managed a day time nap, although I have gone to bed at 8pm once DS1 was safely tucked up.

DS1 used to sleep at 8am for a long stretch and used this as a showering/nap window. Now when DS2 drops off after his early feed, DS1 is waking up and is full of energy and ready for breakfast. He's a really good boy, but doesn't want to cuddle in bed - he has too many things he wants to do!

The plan is to use his 2 afternoons at nursery as a small catch up window- not that it has worked yet

weebarra Fri 04-Oct-13 09:38:53

Hi Livvy, I have DS1 who is 5 and DS2 who is 3. It's hard work! But they love their little sis and I'm sure I'll gradually become less knackered. It's definitely easier than when I had DS2.

JethroTull Fri 04-Oct-13 09:52:34

I'm in awe of anyone that is has more than a newborn to contend with! I struggle with MiniJeff & a dog! There's only been one day in 2 weeks where I've been dressed before lunch time. I just keep telling myself that it Will Get Better...

jennimoo Fri 04-Oct-13 13:37:13

It's most easier with 2, no time to think about how tired you are or if you're doing it right. Just on auto pilot!

jennimoo Fri 04-Oct-13 13:37:28

Most = almost!

kipsonline Fri 04-Oct-13 16:41:59

I'm on caffeine fuelled autopilot I think with 3. Haven't yet managed a daytime or even an evening sleep yet (7 weeks today ) but still feeling strangely bouncy, although no amount of concealer can cover these panda eyes hmm

kipsonline Fri 04-Oct-13 16:43:17

Maybe it's all the cake that's keeping me going actually come to think of it hmm

mynameisnotmichaelcaine Fri 04-Oct-13 18:04:51

Lol kips, I've been eating a LOT of Jaffa Cakes. My milk must taste of orange!

Batbear Fri 04-Oct-13 18:10:37

Last time I used cake as a crutch and took my time with everything which was lovely.

This time my challenge is to have us all dressed and ready for 9 am so we can go out or do something. It's not always worked but it does feel like I've don't well if we manage it!

Took DS2 to the doc with his cold - he has prescribed saline nasal drops to help ease his congestion (it'll be like a reverse sneeze) poor little man!

OH is out tonight so I am doing the whole lot (and going to bed early!)

PurplePoppySeed Fri 04-Oct-13 18:21:32

Wow this thread's moving fast, I struggled with the antinatal one too! Having such a crap week. Weeks 1 & 2 went so well in comparison! Woke on Monday with a fever, shivers and engorged boobs, as the day went on one of then got more and more painful and turned red! Luckily managed to see the doc and got anti bs for mastitis!

By tues it was really improving but I'd caught DHs cold (which he got from the midwife!) with the lack of sleep and already not well its hit be really hard & now Millie's under the weather too - cranky and struggling to latch as she's snotty which results in her being upset �� last night she slept in me all evening, then from 10pm-3am we battled with trying to feed!

Seriously wondering about using an actimel bottle tonight before bed as it might be easier for her? What would you do?

JethroTull Fri 04-Oct-13 19:42:27

Purple we used a formula top up earlier this week when MiniJeff just wouldn't settle on my breast milk. It gave us all 4.5 hours straight sleep which seemed like a week at the time!

juniper9 Fri 04-Oct-13 21:55:29

I'm using a few formula top ups- baby doesn't sleep unless held, and I'm exhausted. I got DP to take her downstairs this morning (he slept through all of her grousing and complaining last night!) and he kept her happy for a few hours. Meant I could sleep, but also meant she had formula.

It made me cry to watch him feed her formula last night, but it was 5am and we'd been trying to settle her since 11pm. I'd fed from both boobs for about 2 hours, and I just couldn't handle it any more.

FastWindow Sat 05-Oct-13 03:27:49

juniper don't stress. Baby is getting fed, however that is, that is the most important thing. I don't have enough milk to feed DD, so I'm topping up with ff, and DH gets a go, and I get a rest. Much too much is placed on bf these days. Yes it's best. But if you can't, for whatever reason!! Don't let anyone tell you you've 'failed'. If baby is happy and putting on weight... You're doing your job as a mum!
Yikes... Essay...

Queazy Sat 05-Oct-13 05:56:50

Hi all, hope you've managed to get some sleep tonight. My LO is 4 weeks old and has had reflux more or less since birth. I was so exhausted I used formula to mix in with some of her medicine instead of expressed milk (feeding and expressing at same time too hard) and she was even worse. Now think she may have cows milk intolerance and have had to give up dairy!! No sleep, giving endless meds and needing to read all the food labels...recipe for disaster! I wanted to say that I would also be v prepared to give formula if she could have it - you need to do what gets you through the day.

I had an all-nighter with no sleep last week and it was painful. I've found DH going back to work hard and have been a zombie in the daytime. Everyone tells me it gets easier though - we'll get there! Just don't beat yourself up about the odd formula top up...I think we're doing well to be breastfeeding the rest of the time and functioning on so little sleep smile

Queazy Sat 05-Oct-13 05:57:45

p.s. Purple, how are you feeling now?

PurplePoppySeed Sat 05-Oct-13 07:53:38

A bit better this am for some sleep - brought DD up at 9 to start the 2 hour battle to get her to sleep, then she only woke at 3 & 6 smile being noisy now, but it felt like a much better night! I'm worried the mastitis could come back as I've got the opposite problem to most - too much milk, so I still have lumpy full boobs - another reason I'm thinking formula might not be good, I'm also worried about expressing as I need her to drink more or my supply to reduce!! The cold is going slowly, but its just like being pregnant - I can't take anything!

Livvylongpants Sat 05-Oct-13 09:48:48

Hello all! Had a much better night last night. DS slept 9-12 12-15-3.30 4-5.30 5.35 - 745. As well as 2 year old DD finally sorting her sleeping as she stayed asleep until 7.45 too. God did I need it lol
Is anyone else unable to let there DH do the night shift, I express and feed so he could do it. But I panic that he would fall asleep with him of over feed him (he will take too much milk then puke it up lol)

Feels like a madhouse here, have 12 year old DSS who lives here, 2 year old DD, newborn DS, a collie and a jack Russell!!

fl0b0t Sat 05-Oct-13 23:08:07

Sounds great purple and livvy! We've had a couple of ok nights like that. . Sleeping ten until midnight, one until three and f for until six or similar. Last night he wouldn't settle for a few his early morning. This evening he has been feeding almost constantly from eight pm until now. Very tiring.

Joskar Sat 05-Oct-13 23:15:48

A Good Day!

DD fed from the boob for several hours today. Every hour-three hours from 6.30 am til 8 pm. I seemed to run dry after 8ish (can this happen?!) but I've tried to express something for every formula bottle she has had. Seem to have much less milk in the evening. Hopefully the supply and demand will even out a bit if I carry on with the expressing as well as the feeding. Only thing has been that she's been very windy and poopy this evening. Could this be the lentil soup I had for lunch?

V, v tired but so happy. Even nicer is that I think she must have a decent latch because it isn't very sore when she feeds. Still taking advice of older hands and applying nipple cream though!

Frenchgin Sun 06-Oct-13 00:03:01

Hey Joskar from what I've read its natural for you to have less milk in the evening (end of the day tiredness I guess!) but if you're like me you will find your boobs fill with a vengeance at night.

I was told to express a little milk & use that on sore nipples before & after a feed it did work for me instead of using nipple cream but thy weren't that bad in the first place. No idea about the lentils but sounds possible!!

I'm hoping for a night that doesn't involve being awake more than asleep but doubt its going to happen........

Frenchgin Sun 06-Oct-13 00:13:34

Queazy did you manage to catch up on some sleep during the day? Hope so & hope tonight is better for you.

Queazy Sun 06-Oct-13 00:44:48

Unfortunately not hmm We had visitors too who stayed 5-9pm so had to eat after that and missed any evening nap. The tot did her first gummy smile today though which was beautiful!! smile

Psyching myself up for another long night!!

Batbear Sun 06-Oct-13 01:30:32

Joskar - glad you've had a good day - make sure you are drinking enough water too - my supply seems to reduce if I am dehydrated.

Queasy - I can't believe your guests stayed for such a long time during what is bound to be dinner time! Not the most considerate thing! Poor you.

DS2 is sometimes coughing so much with his virus that he is projectile vomiting. After feeds I need to keep him upright for a while to stop him bringing it all back up.

I feel so sorry for him, he has lost a bit of his voice (silent crying at times) and doesn't seem to feel well at times. He's not got a temperature though so there is little more I can do.

Hope everyone has a quiet night

Frenchgin Sun 06-Oct-13 04:07:56

Oh Batbear poor you it must be really difficult to see him ill & not be able to do anything. Hopefully he will recover soon & that you are managing to get some sleep tonight. X

Mooster1709 Sun 06-Oct-13 06:30:33

Morning all! Thank god we had a better night - sleeping 12-3 and 4-6. Had two horrific nights in a row before this where DD wouldn't sleep anywhere but on me, refused to be put in basket etc. so although she slept, I couldn't, and was surviving on the two hours I get when DH takes her from 9-12.

Someone in my antenatal class suggested taking up a flask of hot chocolate, magazines, DVD's to watch in laptop, iplayer etc on ipad, snacks etc. basically to assume that you're going to be up all night and if you're not it's a bonus. It helped, especially the hot drink. obviously I was still weeping by the time 6am rolled around and DH took over, but I survived longer than usual...

Queazy Sun 06-Oct-13 07:20:25

That's such a good idea Mooster! I'm going to stock up tonight.

My lo slept from 1:30-5:30 last night, which was so needed by me! I didn't sleep before and she's still gradually settling now so that 4 hrs will be my lot! Mornings are particularly testing as by the time she's settled there's an hour until next feed...I have to weigh up sleep vs. shower/make up. I forgot to wear make up out yesterday and looked a right state!! smile Xx

juniper9 Sun 06-Oct-13 09:51:41

I've signed up for netflix and end up watching that quite a lot. It saves where you're up to with a show, so you can dip in and out (assuming you remember the plot!)

fl0b0t Sun 06-Oct-13 17:58:37

juniper snap with lovefilm! and I like to surround myself- water, infacol, snacks, ipad, phone, muslins etc so I'm prepared for most things!

JethroTull Sun 06-Oct-13 21:35:32

Expressing & feeding is the chance I get to catch up with texts & MN / Facebook etc.

Frenchgin Sun 06-Oct-13 22:05:14

iPad was a treat to myself before Thomas was born & it has been a godsend for the long awake hours! Love the idea of hot chocolate ready to go, may have to try that sometime.

Good luck one & all for a sleep filled night - around feeds of course!smile

Batbear Mon 07-Oct-13 00:33:26

Evening everyone!
Hope today has been good. DS2 has seemed a bit better today so hoping tonight will be a bit better too.
I still feel quite tired though - stayed up for homelands with my OH instead!

DS2 was awake quite a bit today so hoping for more sleep tonight! Hope you are all getting sleep too!

Mooster1709 Mon 07-Oct-13 03:49:18

Any suggestions for good series to go for on netflix juniper (or anyone else!)? I'm all out of inspiration...

Queazy Mon 07-Oct-13 05:59:32

I'd recommend getting all the series of Homeland. The latest series is on TV now, so you can watch the whole lot. Apparently The Killing is fab - I'm about to buy it myself !

fl0b0t Mon 07-Oct-13 06:17:25

Homeland is good! Also got the killing in my list. Watching Downton Abbey and may finished Luther too.

fl0b0t Mon 07-Oct-13 06:31:35

Does anyone use s breastfeeding app? When Robin first went onto feeding on demand after his sleepy jaundice start, I downloaded Feed Baby Pro which was and still is resit handy. You press L or R on which side your are feeding and can outside or stop it. You can edit entries, view graphs and compare days which is tacky handy. I can't keep track of when he had feed etc so find it rant handy. However I'm not sure we need it any more and it is s bit if s pain and extra thing to think about. ... should I give it up? ! Anyone else using an app or have used one?

jennimoo Mon 07-Oct-13 06:49:03

I used an app with DD... For over a year! Once I started it was hard to stop.
This time I'm bit tracking at all, trying to just go with it and relax.

jennimoo Mon 07-Oct-13 06:49:28

NOT tracking it all

Well that was a fun night. SS1 woke me up twice, DD2 three times (twice for feeds), and annoyingly DH woke me up twice. Once by snoring so loudly, and once by grabbing my shoulder and sleep talking jibberish at me. angry

As for tv shows, I've watched 2 and a half seasons of the new Hawaii Five-O! I wouldn't necessarily say it's good, but it's kinda funny and very easy to watch.

JethroTull Mon 07-Oct-13 07:47:45

Mooster try Orange is the New Black on Netflix. And depending on your sense of humour Breaking Bad.

badguider Mon 07-Oct-13 08:30:06

I have an app I tried for a couple of days but stopped as there was no discernible pattern smile I will try it again if it seems a pattern is developing. Also the week by week baby book indicates that in a few weeks time we'll have to work harder to ensure they get enough naps in the day so it will be useful then.

In the meantime I just set a simple timer after each feed so that if I can't tell if he's rooting or not I can always see how long its been since his last feed. This is also useful for deciding when to leave the house or whether to try for a shower or nap.

Rollermum Mon 07-Oct-13 08:31:32

I have been writing feeds in a notebook, and was wondering about an app. I read somewhere it can be encouraging to see progress over time - not sure what that looks like - longer gaps for sleep maybe?

I have been driving myself mad by watching any old TV when breastfeeding. I think I need to be more targeted with things I like. I have Lovefilm - any recommendations of good series? I have seen all of Nurse Jackie, which was great.

fl0b0t Mon 07-Oct-13 12:21:53

rollermum (love your name, are you a rollerskater?!)- You can download Feed Baby for free (I wanted some extra features so I actually bought the pro version!) and I found it quite useful. I was using a notebook to start with but I kept losing pens and trying to write in the dark etc- whereas I'd have my phone on me anyway :-) I am seeing a bit of progress and could see the 3 week growth spurt really clearly in his feeding patterns! smile

mango- my husband also wakes up suddenly to talk crap! I get DH to do night nappy changes- esp if it's been a hard night of lots of feeding. baby grizzling doesn't really wake him up, so I don't feel bad about asking him to do nighttime nappies. Robin has been refusing to fall asleep anywhere expect on my chest or next to me in bed after feeding. I tend to leave him with me for 30-45 mins after the feed and then can put him in moses basked. husband has a habit of waking up, panicking about where the baby is and feeling him to make sure he is breathing. then husband properly wakes up and apologises a few times for appearing like he doesn't trust me. Kind of comical if one weren't so tired! smile

Rollermum Mon 07-Oct-13 13:18:44

Hey Fl0b0t, thanks! Yes, I play roller derby - a contact sport on quad skates. Or, I did - cant wait to get back to it! Thanks for the app info - I'll give it a go.

fl0b0t Mon 07-Oct-13 14:44:12

Ah ha! Nice one! I used to do artistic roller skating (also quads) :-) but enjoy a decent street skate too!

I hadn't heard of roller derby until last night when it was on an episode of Hawaii five O, which I publically admitted to watching for the first time earlier today, on this thread! grin

It seemed pretty brutal on the TV Rollermum, is it bad in RL?

Rollermum Mon 07-Oct-13 19:49:11

You're braver than me Fl0b0t - I find skating outside terrifying! I had to bail on a London street skate onto a roundabout once grin Wasthr name of the app definitely Feed Baby? I couldn't find that name but lots like it, and would be good to go with a recommendation.

Hey Mango it can be quite full on - injuries are pretty common, but it isn't as bad as films as TV (eg Whip It). There's no punching for example!

Mooster1709 Tue 08-Oct-13 00:20:46

I used a notebook for the first few weeks, and even drew up a spreadsheet at one point, but have given up on both now... An app sounds much easier so might have a look at that.

DD is 5.5 weeks now and I was wondering about beginning to try getting her into some kind of routine. Is this madness do you think? It's just that she can go 5 hours between feeds but always does this in the afternoon, and is then really fussy in the evening, and goes 3 hours at a time overnight. It's the evening I'm most concerned about really -any thoughts?

JethroTull Tue 08-Oct-13 02:49:58

Mooster I'd like to try & do the same. I've read a couple of books but not sure where to start! Hopefully someone more experienced will come along & give us some advice....

fl0b0t Tue 08-Oct-13 06:07:44

Yup, app is called Feed Baby... Android app though? Not sure if there's an iphone version or not?

PurplePoppySeed Tue 08-Oct-13 07:53:56

I've given up on feeding apps since I got mastitis as I figured I should concentrate more on her latching! Will try again when she's a bit older but at 3 weeks she doesn't have much of a pattern anyway!

ION - DDs got nappy rash really badly which I'm hoping was only due to my antibiotics? But annoyingly I finished then yesterday only for my boob to start killing again!

FastWindow Tue 08-Oct-13 09:17:32

Anyone getting pains after peeing? Like a stabby pain right at the end, when bladder is pretty well empty?
No pain when actually peeing (no razorblades here, thank god)
Sorry tmi, but I guess we've all shared a lot worse on this and the pg threads!!

FastWindow Tue 08-Oct-13 09:19:07

While I'm in sharing mode, anyone bf, getting shooting pains in boob? Like from the nipple straight back to the ribs iykwim?
God, I'm a wreck.

JethroTull Tue 08-Oct-13 09:56:59

Purple - mastitis is the work of the devil isn't it. I had it over the weekend & felt like I was at deaths door. By the time I saw the doctor yesterday afternoon it was clearing up. Are you still managing to feed?

PurplePoppySeed Tue 08-Oct-13 11:17:28

Jethro - yes and have been trying the cabbage leaves. The first time I got it, I thought I'd beaten it myself, only for it to appear again, spoken to the doc again this am and have more anti bs, could try and fight it myself but don't want that horrible fever again!

I'm finding it harder to feed through it this time as I assume the blockage it nearer the nipple confused

Fast - my mastitis started like that, so check your whole boob for lumps and massage them down toward the nipple under a hot shower to try and get rid!

FastWindow Tue 08-Oct-13 16:00:04

Thank you purple. Good tip.
What causes it???

PurplePoppySeed Tue 08-Oct-13 18:12:26

Blocked ducts that then get infected! I've read a few reasons, bad latch, germs from babies mouth etc etc! The one I read that I think might be my cause is that if you have any other bugs you often get mastitis too & I've got a throat bug/cold that DD has caught too sad

Joskar Tue 08-Oct-13 20:17:36

Tales of a Wannabe Breast Feeder

A Very Bad Day

DD has not had boob all day. Angry wee octopus. Bright red and beating her fists whenever I've offered it.

I've cried all day.

I loathe expressing with every fibre of my being but I've been permanently on that effing machine today because I have blocked ducts.

I feel utterly despondent. All the progress we've made seems to be out the window. I feel as though she will never be properly breastfed and I'm just wasting my time and energy. I'm so exhausted. My (incredibly stupid) health visitor informed me that I should regard this as a "golden time". I wanted to punch her on the nose. Only a complete sadist would regard this as "golden".

I resent every bottle of formula I have to feed my child. I hate sterilising. I hate trying to work out if the formula is the right temp or if it's been hanging about too long. I hate how much it detracts from my feeling like a mum. I don't feel like a mum at all. I couldn't give birth to her (emergency c-section for undiagnosed breech) and I can't feed her. What the hell am I for? I'm supposed to be able to feed my child.

fl0b0t Tue 08-Oct-13 20:42:53

joksar so so so sorry to hear about your crappy day. It's so hard to enjoy a lovely baby when you are feeling shit about not being able to do what we are all sold as the natural option. I can totally empathise as my first week at home felt exactly like that. I hated every bit of formula, found expressing exhausting. ... Have you got any specialist bf clinics locally? If so keep attending every single one as I promise if they can help they will. Failing that, I'd try la leche league at I've heard wonderful things about them. Please don't dispair. You're f doing a great job at persevering and many women wouldn't and don't. If you really want to bf, try your hardest to relax. I know it's not easy. Make sure you get the help you need x x

Joskar Tue 08-Oct-13 21:36:28

Clinics are 20+ miles away and I can't drive because of the c-section. Added to which I don't think I can stand to look at another midwife in particular the one who runs the clinics. LLL have no one in the area neither do NCT. They are very nice on the phone but cannot offer any practical advice that I haven't already tried.

Sorry. I realise that all sounds really negative. I think I'm using all my positivity up. Thank you for your message, fl0bot. Did Robin just start feeding? Was there anything that precipitated the change?

Kkklll Tue 08-Oct-13 21:42:14

Mooster1709 and JethroTull I'd like to try for some sort of routine but again no clue! Lol the books make it sound so easy but don't actually tell you how to achieve it! Our LO will go generally 3 hours between feeds and sometimes 4/5 hrs through the night which I'm very pleased with but it's different every day. I have my 6 week check next week at 10.30, the first time I actually have to be somewhere at a set time ....hmm we'll see how that goes lol

SGJ Tue 08-Oct-13 21:52:03

Oh Joskar, you poor sod. What a crappy day. I don't have anything amazing to suggest (wish there was a magic solution) but the only thing that springs to mind is to try feeding in the bath?? Must have heard it somewhere because it's a totally random suggestion but perhaps the combo of skin to skin, nice relaxing set up, warm temperature to stimulate milk flow and good for c-section recovery too will prove to be a success?? No idea but worth a try I guess.
Huge kudos to you for your perseverance; if it was me I'm not sure I'd be doing as well xx

JethroTull Tue 08-Oct-13 22:28:47

Joskar I could have written your post over the weekend. IVF baby, c-section birth & to top it all off miniJethro refuses to latch. I've tried tried tried for 14 days. I've expressed for 14 days. I went to see the BF counsellor, numerous hideous Midwives have grappled with my boobs. I gave in. For me, my mental health & my baby's well being outweighed my longing to do 'something natural' & BF. it is THE hardest thing I've ever tried to do. You have my utmost admiration for sticking with it. Have you set yourself a cut off date?

Joskar Tue 08-Oct-13 23:48:06

Thanks for the bath suggestion. We've tried that. Babies are pretty slippery when wet but mostly it was the screaming that made me think it was a no go! It was nice at first but the logistics are complicated.

Jethro That's a good decision. It's incredibly difficult and I think you've done really well to take it. It may come to that for us too but we've hired the pump for another 10 days so I suppose I'll go for at least that long.

I know it sounds foolish but I really feel like I need the breastfeeding to help me get over the c-section. It was all so dreadful. Totally unexpected and completely preventable had I had competent care. One minute she was a bump in me and I was pushing her out without pain relief and then she wasn't and it was all frightening. I feel so disconnected from the whole thing. It was 15 mins before I got to see her and 45 before I got to hold her and I just feel a wee bit like she isn't really mine. I feel like I'm just looking after her til her real mummy gets here. When I bottle feed her I feel like I could be anyone whereas on the rare occasions she lets me breastfeed her I actually start to feel like I might really be her mother. I feel proud and happy. When I bottle feed I feel completely inadequate.

Rollermum Wed 09-Oct-13 04:41:40

Joskar - just wanted toads that I understand about feeling disassociated from your baby. I had a long, difficult unexpectedly instrumental induction / delivery and have found it hard to mentally regroup and think it has affected how I feel as a Mum. I really hope your perseverance after such a difficult time pays off.

Fl0b0t - I couldn't find same app for iPhone. Downloaded Eat Sleep for for which is ok but slightly counterintuitive.

I've got my FIL staying. He didn't ask how I was, how the baby was, and did a 20 minute rambling monologue about how tired he was. I had just been in the bedroom crying from lack of sleep but managed not to punch him. Ugh.

Mooster1709 Wed 09-Oct-13 05:42:25

Oh joskar poor you. Are you managing to get any sleep? Everything feels so much worse if not. I am bf and had a pretty straight ford birth but I still sometimes feel like I'm looking after DD for someone else (having been up since 3.30 with her I'm currently wishing the 'someone else' would come and rescue me!). I say this because I think it's pretty normal and that maybe you shouldn't be putting so much pressure on yourself. How old is your LO? Are you getting out much?

kipsonline Wed 09-Oct-13 07:45:39

Joskar I just wanted to say I'm thinking of you and wishing a much better day your way. Everything you are feeling is completely normal given the crappy time you've been having (on top of an unusually crappy pregnancy). Have you got a decent friends/ family support network? The only other piece of advice my friend in a similar situation a few years ago found helpful, although incredibly hard, was to treat each day as a new day, without the painful associations from the day before, so that starting each day stress and guilt free there was a wonderful possibility it might all finally come together. And not to beat yourself up if it doesn't (again incredibly hard). [huge virtual hugs]

Batbear Wed 09-Oct-13 08:23:12

Joskar - sending hugs from here too. Sounds like you had a horrible start with your birth too. It is very tough and you have done so well expressing and working so hard at the feeding.

I remember with DS1 that I didn't feel like he was really mine and instead it was more of a hard job that you didn't get a break from. It took weeks to feel that maternal bond properly.

Try and be as kind to yourself as you can - in the end you have to go with what makes you feel sanest. Motherhood has lots of guilt that comes with it - we all feel that way sometimes.

PurplePoppySeed Wed 09-Oct-13 08:45:30

Oh joskar, just to echo what everyone else has said, it's a tough time for all new mums, made worse for you by a horrible birth experience. You're doing amazingly to persevere, especially without being able to get out etc.

With my DD, she gets herself soo tired and then so worked up she will not go anywhere near my boob - actively pushing it away. It's so upsetting when you know they're hungry as well.

I keep saying to myself it only gets better, but DD has a cold so the last week has been much harder than the first 2! But it's true. It will get better and in a few months time (or maybe a little longer) this stage (and birth) will start to feel like a distant memory & our little ones will be giving us something back thanks

Redbird12 Wed 09-Oct-13 12:43:20

Just wanted to add my support as well. DS now 18 days old, born via EMCS. Lost 12% of weight by Day 3 which made me realise he wasnt latching and feeding properly. Midwife told me if i didnt top up with formula he would be taken back to hospital. Ordered an electric breast feed and stated mixing expressing with formula as baby was screaming with hunger but fighting every time i tried to put him to the breast. Had various midwives and breastfeeding experts round, incl from hospital and NCT, found he would suck a bit with a nipple shield but still wouldnt latch.

Eventually we paid to see a private lactation consultant a few days ago who diagnosed posterior tongue tie and snipped it. He fed immediately from the breast afterwards but has since continued to resist. He will suck a bit for comfort but seems to resist latching on, i dont know now if he has got to used to the bottle teat. Not been able to express very often due to him wanting to be held all the time so my milk is now drying up and i think we will shortly be switching to just formula.

I think i will actually feel better once we have just made the decision to switch, i hate seeing him working himself up into such a state trying to latch on and from a selfish point of view, it will make my life easier than trying to juggle bottle feeding with all the cleaning and sterilising along with expressing, trying to breast feed and holding the baby all the time. DH is self employed and runs his own business so hasnt been able to take much paternity leave and due to Emcs, i am unable to drive and get out to any support groups so feel like i just need to do whatever i can now to keep me sane and baby fed.

fl0b0t Wed 09-Oct-13 16:54:19

redbird that sounds crappy too. sad

I've had a hard night (banished dh to spare room as he had a cold and I don't want it! ) and then a hard day too.Baby up for a feed at one am then grizzled on and off until 5 when I gave up and let him sleepb in the bed with me til seven. He then grizzled again until almost two pm. Then slept in the sling for an hour or so and had grizzled all afternoon so far. Feeding on and off for between 3 mins to 50 mins!

Left him to scream in the bouncy chair so I could chuck some food in the slow cooker for later. Now he is feeding again! !!!

JethroTull Wed 09-Oct-13 17:49:27

Sorry to everyone having shitty days. Redbird, sounds like you've really been through the mill too. I'm in a similar position in that now I've made the decision to switch to FF I'd just like my milk to dry up - reducing expressing has just made boobs v painful & huge.

Anyone got any strategy for keeping baby awake more in the day so they sleep at night?? Another sleepless night fills me with dread....

fl0b0t Wed 09-Oct-13 20:19:05

Jethro I believe current theory is that keeping babies up during the day doesn't assist with sleeping at night? 'sleep breeds sleep' etc?baby has been awake for most the day (since 1 am he has had about 4 hrs sleep) so we'll see what happens tonight. ..!

Anyone getting annoyed with their hormones?
I've never had great skin but it's gone haywire the last two weeks. I look awful which is not what I need right now sad

Mooster1709 Thu 10-Oct-13 03:28:57

Well, I am having a second horrible night in a row. Every bloody time try to put DD into her Moses basket after a feed she screams. She will only sleep with me holding her and I am knackered. Last night she was ok until 3.30 but I was up for the rest of the night after that, and so far have been up since 1.30 tonight. Arrrgh.

And yes to the skin. Mine got so much better while I was pregnancy but seems to have reverted to it's old crapness again now. with the added treat of hyperpigmentation...

Rollermum Thu 10-Oct-13 04:30:42

Hey Mooster - that sounds very hard, hope you get her down in the end. My DD seems to have missed her longer sleep tonight but I have had some sleep so shouldn't complain!

Anyone else struggling to sleep once they have the chance? I am exhausted but even when DD is asleep (or with someone else) I can't relax. It's partly because I am waiting for her to cry, and partly because my brain keeps rehash

Rollermum Thu 10-Oct-13 04:32:16

Sorry - posted too soon...

...and partly because rehashing what happened in hospital. Including nightmares once I am asleep. Not fun.

And on skin - yes, mine is terrible too - really rough!

WaggyBlueElf Thu 10-Oct-13 05:28:31

My skin's the opposite - dreadful while pregnant, but cleared up the day I gave birth. I was thinking / dreading it not going til I was done breastfeeding. Bizarre what hormones can do to you.

Sorry to everyone struggling to breastfeed. I'm in the same boat. He'll latch but then gets too impatient to suck. He'll now go on occasionally with a nipple shield but I'm expressing all his feeds and giving it to him in a bottle (which I know reduces the chance of him taking anything from me even further. Hey ho.) It's faffy but I'm resigned to it now. The trouble's going to come when I want to go out for longer than a couple of hours with him - having to find somewhere to express, looking after him while I'm doing it if I'm on my own etc. Would it be wrong to just stay in for the next 5 months?!

Speaking of which, has anyone gone visiting anyone overnight yet? We're visiting DP's friends and his parents in a few weeks and I'm really daunted by it. I think it's a combination of having to remember so much stuff ( and fitting it all in the car!) and being in a strange place for night feeds and expressing. Both households are lovely though, and his friends have a toddler so babies aren't completely alien to them. I am going to my parents for a weekend before then (much more familiar place, not as far and for not as long) so at least I'm getting some practice in - and that will give me some idea what I'm likely to forget! I'm being ridiculous aren't I.

Sorry, just realised how long and rambling that was - I blame the lack of sleep!

Frenchgin Thu 10-Oct-13 06:27:57

Sorry if this has already been mentioned (I'm too tired to focus properly!) but for everyone struggling with breastfeeding have you checked your baby isn't tongue tied? My DS was not the best feeder & I had him checked by a lactation consultant this week. Turned out he had 50% tongue tie. Can't say its a miracle fix yet as only 2 days since cut but for those who are struggling and want to continue might be worth checking out?

Sending ((hugs)) to everyone who's struggling its so so tough. Xx

WaggyBlueElf Thu 10-Oct-13 07:49:39

Thanks Frenchgin. DS did have a slight tongue tie but it was sorted before we left hospital. Doesn't seem to have made much difference unfortunately.

Frenchgin Thu 10-Oct-13 09:59:20

They can regrow apparently could this be the case?

In other news I'm very proud of myself when DH said this morning "I'm tired I lay awake for an hour last night" I managed an indulgent smile & didn't strangle him!!! Oh to only be awake 1 hour of the night

Gerty1002 Thu 10-Oct-13 13:52:48

New to this thread... was on August antenatal thread but DS was 11 days late bringing us to 11 Sept and his weight to 10lb4oz!

Having a rough time at moment, had to give up BF after 5 days due to inverted nipple agony amd now having trouble with FF.

DS was getting terrible painful wind, which I think was caused by him being between teat sizes - size one was too small and he kept flattening it and he was getting it too fast from size two. switched to comfort milk on advice from HV which helped with how he fed as milk is thicker, allowing him to feed from size 2 quite well.

Problem is now he has been doing around 10 poos a day, some of which are pretty explosive and also full of mucus. He's crying in pain a lot until he poos... been awake since 2am with him.

No idea where to go from here, still waiting on call back from HV from leaving a message this morn. Don't want to keep switching formula but I'm at a loss.

Any advice much appreciated.

fl0b0t Thu 10-Oct-13 17:50:15

wow gerty that's a whopper! smile
frenchgin you did well. My DH is really sensitive about not saying things like that thankfully. Having said that, he's got a cold and had the spare room last night so slept 10pm til 7:30am. He's kindly working at home today to giveme a hand, but he's feeling so crappy he's gone back to bed! Baby has only slept twice properly since 1am- in the buggy when I walked 3 mile round trip to town to open his bank account and now- in the sling (refused to sleep in moses basket/ anywhere except attached to me in the sling). So I'm running on fumes and DH is blissfully unaware and snoozing. Having said that I do NOT want his cold! So he can stay away!

Wincher Thu 10-Oct-13 18:47:46

Waggyblueelf we stayed with friends last sat night, ds2's first ever night away from home as he was a home birth! The car was pretty rammed... he slept in the carrycor bit of his pram which was fine. We all slept in together with ds1 and I was worried ds2 would wake him, but he didn't. We're going away this weekend and the one after, too! But in both the places we're going ds1 will have his own room.

The stuff you need to take gets worse once they need a travel cot, high chair, toys etc...

Lexilicious Thu 10-Oct-13 19:02:06

Hello all! Just checking in briefly, back later with some chat and will read the thread properly too. I was 'Rake...' on the previous thread btw.
DD (8 Sept, home birth, hosp transfer with dodgy 3rd stage blood loss) is lovely, snoozing on my chest just now while DH deals with a roast beef dinner. Older brother started in Reception year when she was a week old and is very helpful and unfussed about it all. Bf-ing going very well, sleeping is so-so.

juniper9 Thu 10-Oct-13 19:06:19

Flo- which bank did you go with? DD received a cheque in her name, which means I need to open an account for her. She doesn't have a birth certificate yet, though!

Joskar Thu 10-Oct-13 19:54:07

Tales of a Wannabe Breast Feeder

A Much Better Day

Didn't need to give formula until 5.30 today. 12 hours of bfing! Hurrah! Also without nipple shields. I'm not thinking this is the end of our troubles but it's encouraging. Very proud of DD.

Frenchgin Def no tongue tie. Two of my friends struggled to bf because of that so I was well warned.

redbird My DH is also self employed. I worry when he doesn't go to work to help me because if he doesn't work he doesn't earn. This month is my last good wage. We're very much in the same boat, eh?! Eeek! My sister in law had to ff after a total bf/pnd nightmare. She sent me a really useful email that made me feel so much better. She pointed out that it's formula not poison and we are fortunate to live in a country with clean water so really it's not that big a deal. Breast is only best when it's best for everyone. If it's causing you to lose your sanity then go with the formula.

Everyone's support has been really important to me. I felt so despairing the other day and your messages made me feel so much better. Thank you all so much.

juniper9 Thu 10-Oct-13 20:49:54

Glad you're feeling a bit happier about it all, Joskar. I think we mums are put under such pressure to breast feed that we lose sight of the fact that babies do perfectly well on formula. If you were to look at your peers, could you tell which were formula and which were breast fed? I doubt it.

fl0b0t Fri 11-Oct-13 03:22:54

Juniper Halifax have a great couple of doubts at the moment. 1yr at 6% with no access and you can put up to s hundred in each month. Also a 6% kids saver whichyou can't touch til they are 18. Moneysaving expert recommends it and we already bank with halifaxso was easy smile

SomethingLovely Fri 11-Oct-13 04:08:04

Hi ladies.... I wonder if I could join your group? Another sleep deprived September mum here! DD born 14 Sept, by EMCS after failed induction at 38 weeks (I'm T1 diabetic). And like some of you have been saying, I've got issues with BF too, after all the stress of being in hospital, DD in SCBU overnight and formula fed for a few days, so am expressing and bottle feeding, and only really have any luck BF with nipple shields. That's the brief highlights, sitting here expressing while DD finally sleeps after about 5 hours of fussing! So I hear you all on so many counts... Hoping I'm the only one awake now, but guess not?! X

WaggyBlueElf Fri 11-Oct-13 05:21:31

Nope, I'm up SomethingLovely! Just expressed and little fella's now stiring for his food. Dontcha just love those 4am alarms?!

Congrats btw, hope your DD is ok after being in SCBU.

Joskar, I'm so glad you had a better day - hope it continues.

We managed two sessions feeding with nipple shields yesterday, so progress here too. I still haven't managed to whip it away without him noticing though. Too observant for his own good he is grin

HettySunshine Fri 11-Oct-13 07:45:50

Now that all our (September antenatal group) babies have arrived I came looking for a postnatal group and here it is! So nice to you all on the other side!

I'll go and have a lovely catch up on all the mn news now (I've been neglecting mn for our Facebook group since lo arrived).

smilesmilesmilesmile

PinkApple86 Fri 11-Oct-13 15:40:54

Hello all, another ante natal thread person here. Ds was due on 19th Sept but eventually arrived on 1st Oct at 40+12, But i don't want to join a thread full of new people so just marking my place here grin Congrats to all on your safe arrivals thanks

Batbear Sat 12-Oct-13 06:40:46

Morning all - hope everyone had a reasonable night. Mine was ok after an evening of crying and feeding (DS2 not me)!

He was really unsettled until about 10 - when I finally got him to sleep. I wonder if we've got a little growth spurt coming.. He's nearly over his cold too so able to feed more easily.

Hope you have something nice planned for the weekend (even if it is just a rest with another pair of hands)

SomethingLovely Sat 12-Oct-13 09:48:43

Morning all! batbear I have no idea the real signs of a growth spurt, but have a feeling we might be going through one! If lots of fussing and crying (or screaming uncontrollably), extra feeding and reluctance to sleep are symptoms then it could be?! Did get some infacol just in case it was tummy pain... Just fumbling our way along with this new baby business...(FTM, obviously!)

I'll have to get to grips with exactly how old all your little ones are, DD is exactly four weeks today... Can't believe how time's starting to fly by now.

How's everyone's feeding / expressing going? I have a feeling I might end up exclusively expressing, but for some reason feel guilty about it! There's so much negative opinion online it's hard to stay positive & sure of your decisions... Downside is how often you have to pump, but feeding is a bit quicker so I guess it balances out - and I find being able to see exactly how much she's drinking reassuring.

Anyhow, sorry, long post - wishing you all well for the weekend! X

Rollermum Sat 12-Oct-13 11:27:26

Morning all!

My LO is 2.5 weeks (but 17 days overdue) and I think she must be going through a growth spurt! She fussed and fed all evening / night. Was feeling desperate for sleep and for first time fed her in bed this am and managed to doze at the same time for nearly three hours, so at least feel a bit more rested.

I feel bad for co-sleeping like this. Having read up on it I had decided not to do it because we have a large high bed and I am technically obese, though not vast. It was nice to rest though. Anyone else do this?

SomethingLovely I don't think you should feel guilty about expressing. BF is so hard and everyone does what they can to feed their baby. I've been lucky and BF is going ok but I agree there is so much stuff out there to guilt trip mums if they can't BF or stop 'early' or pump etc. I have LLL's The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding which has been v helpful, but it has quite a heavy feed until 2, avoid being apart from baby and pro-co-sleeping approach which feels a bit stifling though I agree in principle.

My sister is visiting with her 3 DCs today - the most visitors I've had so far! Eek!

fl0b0t Sat 12-Oct-13 11:30:29

somethinglovely sounds like a growth spurt to me! We have done two cycles of that at weeks three and four. Painful. Lovely baby is bf well but refusing a bottle from daddy sadwhich is making daddy stressedsad so we are Working on that.

Had two welcome nights of 3 Ish hour gaps between start of feeds so got five hours sleep total each night smile

Even went out kind of last night! ! Baby cried so dh walked up to the bar I was at with baby to so him cryingand walked back together.i got 90 mins alone out with friends and got to walk home safely but dh was almost in tears with stress sad

WaggyBlueElf Sat 12-Oct-13 12:36:35

Fl0 - my DP gets very stressed when the baby's crying as well. I've told him that probably makes it worse but he can't stop himself. Well done for getting out though! DP and I had a sneaky coffee after registering him this week as mum was babysitting. Felt v odd to be out together and babyless.

Wincher - good idea about sleeping in the pram, why didn't I think of that?! I find it incredible how much stuff such a tiny person needs, not helping that I'm expressing as he won't often take milk from me so we have bottles and steriliser to consider as well. Don't even want to think about more stuff when he's older.

SomethingLovely - not sure I should ask this but why is expressing frowned upon? It is more faffy, especially the sterilising, but I'm in the swing of it now and plan to do it for as long as possible. It has its advantages as well as DP can do half the night shift meaning I get some sleep!

SomethingLovely Sat 12-Oct-13 14:13:12

Hi waggy it's more that I've seen quite a few sites and threads that are a bit doom & gloom about expressing! How hard it is to keep up, how your supply will dry up, how nursing is so much more efficient etc etc... Makes me feel a bit disheartened, so have stopped googling too much and am just going with my instinct (which says it's right for us) - and like you plan to keep it up for as long as poss... Nice to have someone else in the same boat to talk to! And totally agree about split night shift - think I'd have lost my marbles otherwise.

fl0, oh my god! you went out - at night! 6pm feels late to me now, oh how times have changed... A friend also told me this morning that it could be a growth spurt, or just what babies do from now until about 8-10 weeks old, am preparing for the long haul, let's see what happens!

rollermum we did co-sleep once but I was so paranoid I didn't sleep and just watched DP and DD sleep to make sure she didn't get squished or fall somewhere, wasn't very relaxing! We got one of those co-sleeping cribs but she doesn't really like it and prefers it with the sides up ( Sod's law, could have bought a far cheaper one with normal sides!) so it's more enclosed... The only place she really likes, goes against all the recommendations, is on my half of the sofa, on a mothy Primark microfiber throw, wedged in with a half bolster thingy... All warm and snug! DP and I sit squashed on the other half while madam snoozes...

PinkApple86 Sat 12-Oct-13 19:07:43

I think my ds has wind?! He's just 11 days and after feeding (exclusively BF) he screws his face up and knees and grizzles. I've tried leaning him over my shoulder and tapping and rubbing his back. Sometimes I get little burps. He's getting hiccups a lot. Anyone got any tips for de-winding the poor little one? I'm new to this.

Rollermum Sat 12-Oct-13 19:12:35

SomethingLovely I hear you on the paranoia. I think it might work for us for naps, but deeper sleep withDHfeels too scary.

PinkApple I am completely new too but I find my DD burps for me if I sit her upright on one of my knees and rub her back quite vigorously / pat her back. She leans forward slightly and I have to support her head because her neck is sometimes still floppy. I find that works for me but DH finds over the shoulder like you said better.

LO met three of her seven cousins today. They kept saying how tiny she is - so cute.

fl0b0t Sat 12-Oct-13 23:23:29

Co sleeping wood be much less scary if nhs didn't make it so scary sad

pinkapple could be colic? Do some Googling smile hv Told us our little one had colic at 2 weeks old with similar symptoms . Infacol seems to work quite well!

Having a stressy evening as Robin had been feeding on and off since about 7pm and screaming Inbetween. I'm tired!

fl0b0t Sat 12-Oct-13 23:26:01

somethinglovely people talk such crap on the net! my friends little boy couldn't latch so she expressed for a year. She expressed so much that she got an award for how much she donated to the scbu at John Radcliffe hospital in Oxford smile keep it up!

Mooster1709 Sun 13-Oct-13 02:32:05

Oh ladies, I am at the end of my tether. I know I only ever moan on here at present - will try to be upbeat again once I've got this off my chest...

DD (6weeks) will still only sleep on me the majority of the time. She hates being on her back -screams in agony. It used to be only every few nights, but now I end up holding her most nights so am getting hardly any sleep. I don't know if it's reflux or just a general sleeping problem, but I am getting desperate. I've spoken to the health visitor but they didn't have any advice apart from raising the head of her Moses basket, which I've done. She's on infant gaviscon, but not for every feed.

Every time I try to put her down she'll stay asleep for about 10 mins and then start screaming. During the day she'll sleep in her buggy, and sometimes in the Moses basket - it seems to be much worse at night.

I'm thinking of blowing my minuscule savings on a night nanny or a maternity nurse or something, but don't know where to find a good one/where to get recommendations, or even if this is what I need. Does anyone have any ideas?

When I've had some sleep I really enjoy DD but at present I can't, and this really upsets me. Especially when all my NCT friends go on about how in love with their babies they are and how everything is wonderful, even at 2am.

Sorry for the essay...

Rollermum Sun 13-Oct-13 04:38:32

Hey Mooster,

That sounds incredibly tough and trying. You arenot alone in not finding new motherhood all enchanting loveliness. I have found adjusting to the constant demands of LO hard and at times resented the lack if control and above all the lack of sleep - and my DD does actually sleep for done small chunks of time. I have also wondered about getting in some help, if that is what you need and you can find someone that seems right for you, do it. I have no advice on how best to do this though. Worth a separate MN post?

Really hope it gets better soon and it is just a phase as people say.

SomethingLovely Sun 13-Oct-13 05:07:50

Mooster you're not alone at all in feeling like this... Sleep deprivation will radically change your emotional perspective about motherhood and your baby while it's happening, and then with a decent night's sleep you feel like a new person! A friend who had her baby at the start of the year had a maternity nurse spend a few nights with her daughter so she could get some sleep and her sanity back - she said it was definitely worth the money, I'll see how she found her lady, was in London.

Also re the sleep positions, I'm not saying this is ideal or recommended, but my DD sleeps a lot on her side, with her arms out in front of her which stops her rolling over onto her front... She prefers that to lying on her back, I read somewhere that babies don't much like lying on their back, makes them feel like they're falling? Anything's worth a shot I guess...

fl0 thank you - that's really encouraging! Nice to hear a success story!

juniper9 Sun 13-Oct-13 06:07:43

My DD sleeps on her side every night. She will not go down on her back, and after a few nights of having to hold her I was at the end of my tether. I tried raising her Moses basket but that didn't work, so I asked the mw and she said to pull a rolled up blanket in front of her so she can't roll forwards. She's slept much better since.

jennimoo Sun 13-Oct-13 06:53:39

Another who puts DS on his side, but due to permanent stuffiness. We have him right next to my head in the bednest so I feel quite safe doing this.

Gerty1002 Sun 13-Oct-13 07:17:59

Interesting comments about sleeping positions... my DS is four weeks old and gets very congested, particularly in the early hours of the morning. Come 5am there is no chance of getting him to sleep flat on his back - I have to hold him or put him in jis swong chair which ia slightly more upright. Thought anything but on their back was a no-no but might chat to health visitor... he loves being on his tummy

PurplePoppySeed Sun 13-Oct-13 08:07:32

Pink - my dd hardly ever burped until we started infacol yesterday, but one of my books does say that babies who don't burp get the hiccups instead as they also help bring air back up, so I've stopped worrying

Lexilicious Sun 13-Oct-13 08:22:45

I have a hiccupping, burping baby on me right now...!

I was hanging off the end of my tether last night with the bloody cluster feeding. Roughly 6pm it started, I had ten/twenty mins to wolf down my dinner, I even attempted a lovely long soak in the bath, only to have to have a 'half time interval' and get out to feed the baby (DH got in the bath) then once reasonably satisfied I got back in. Fifteen mins of being tickled and played with by daddy while I had Bath Part Two, then the wailing started again. It's not colic or reflux, just neediness. Tiredness makes it more difficult for her to latch on properly so she gets frustrated I think. Must have been midnight by the time she was full enough and happy enough. Then she wanted to sleep being cuddled which was quite sweet but doesn't make for a solid night's comfortable sleep for me at all.

Long day visiting people today. I may be back with some rants this evening.

fl0b0t Sun 13-Oct-13 09:39:06

I bet lexi! we had the same from about seven til half eleven last night and I was getting very frustrated and tired. He then slept beautifully so all is forgiven. .. how you had s good night!

Today I've got a visitor. An old, good friend who lives up north but is Down for the weekend. I tested her yesterday to check she was still ok to visit and she didn't reply. Sent her a jaunty text this morning enquiring abut hangovers as she was at a hen do last night, and she replied saying 'no hangover but a horrible cold' . I then and if she was still on to visit or whether she was to ill and contagious, but no reply! Wehave a lot we want to do today so I kindof need to know. And lively as she is, we don't want her germs.....

juniper9 Sun 13-Oct-13 16:31:01

As someone asked about how old our babies are, I thought I'd cut and paste bits of the spreadsheet in here. I've only done it as birth day, MN name and gender.

Hope that's ok with everyone...

Born on:
16th August
Weeblewobbling: boy
Kipsonline: boy
Derpess :boy and girl (twins)

21st August
Weebarra (Whyriskit): girl

22nd August
Belvedere: boy

24th August
CheeseStrawCraving: boy

25th August
Girraferama: girl
AlwaysInLaLaLand: girl

26th August
JammyTummy: girl
Jennimoo: boy

29th August
Georgie22: boy
BinarySolo: boy
Charlw1: girl
Andadietcoke: girl and girl (twins)

31st August
Badguider: boy
Herewego2: boy

1st September
Flipflump: boy
Gingerandlemon: girl
MeanMrsMustard: girl

2nd September
SGJ: girl

3rd September
Sameoldsonganddance: boy
Frogchops: boy

6th September
Dancemummy09: girl
Jemimahpuddleduck: girl

7th September
OrdinaryGirl: boy

8th September
RakeABedOfTyneFilth: girl

9th September
Slowblonde: boy
Fl0b0t: boy

10th September
Redandyellowandpinkandgreen: girl

11th September
Emmadee: boy
Dexterpat: boy
Dorita75: girl
Wincher: boy

13th September
Kimjayne: boy

14th September
Runningbear78: boy
Weareboatsremember: girl

15th September
LCR77: girl
MummyOfPrawn/Orangekittens: boy
eeeknumber3: boy
Manoodledo: girl

16th September
HettySunshine: girl

17th September
Bippidee: girl
MrsMangoBiscuit: girl
GirlWithTheYellowHat: girl
Geesescareme: boy

18th September
Astroming: boy
Purplepoppyseed: girl

19th September
C0smos: girl
MammaGnomes: girl

20th September
Kittenkatzen: boy
SamiadsTiredMummy: boy

21st September
Joskar: girl

23rd September
Dakomponist: girl

24th September
Derbynottsleicsnightnanny: girl

26th September
TripleRock: boy
Kilkers: girl

27th September
racheymo2: boy

29th September
Nerual: boy

1st October
pinkapple86: boy

2nd October
Juniper9: girl

4th October
Fozziebear: girl

9th October
Readytosettle: boy

Thanks to SGJ for compiling the original spreadsheet!

Rollermum Sun 13-Oct-13 16:39:44

Can someone add me please? I only have internet accessing my phone and can't copy and paste -sorry! My girl was born

Rollermum Sun 13-Oct-13 16:40:32

Dang sorry - girl was born on 23rd September smile

PinkApple86 Sun 13-Oct-13 16:50:58

hmm I don't think ds has colic as he doesn't cry. He actually rarely cries. I think he's getting frustrated as I'm still struggling with our latch on the right boob so he's on and off, therefore sucking in bits of air. Been youtubing some BF vids so going to have another go when he wakes up. Is anyone else having trouble BFing on one side? midwife says it can happen and baby might just prefer one side which is ok but I'll need to express the other side but I'm scared to ruin it all by giving him a bottle before I've given it a chance to get established.

fl0b0t Sun 13-Oct-13 16:57:40

There ya go rollermum
pinkapple My right isn't great also (and all my righthanded friends who have BF have said the same.....- so may be linked to using righthand more confidently to feed at left breast?
Have you tried feeding lying down?

My right boob is deffo leakier and faster flowing- so baby guzzles lots of air in and tends to be more sick and need more burping. But left breast is his favourite- he latches perfectly!

Born on:
16th August
Weeblewobbling: boy
Kipsonline: boy
Derpess :boy and girl (twins)

21st August
Weebarra (Whyriskit): girl

22nd August
Belvedere: boy

24th August
CheeseStrawCraving: boy

25th August
Girraferama: girl
AlwaysInLaLaLand: girl

26th August
JammyTummy: girl
Jennimoo: boy

29th August
Georgie22: boy
BinarySolo: boy
Charlw1: girl
Andadietcoke: girl and girl (twins)

31st August
Badguider: boy
Herewego2: boy

1st September
Flipflump: boy
Gingerandlemon: girl
MeanMrsMustard: girl

2nd September
SGJ: girl

3rd September
Sameoldsonganddance: boy
Frogchops: boy

6th September
Dancemummy09: girl
Jemimahpuddleduck: girl

7th September
OrdinaryGirl: boy

8th September
RakeABedOfTyneFilth: girl

9th September
Slowblonde: boy
Fl0b0t: boy

10th September
Redandyellowandpinkandgreen: girl

11th September
Emmadee: boy
Dexterpat: boy
Dorita75: girl
Wincher: boy

13th September
Kimjayne: boy

14th September
Runningbear78: boy
Weareboatsremember: girl

15th September
LCR77: girl
MummyOfPrawn/Orangekittens: boy
eeeknumber3: boy
Manoodledo: girl

16th September
HettySunshine: girl

17th September
Bippidee: girl
MrsMangoBiscuit: girl
GirlWithTheYellowHat: girl
Geesescareme: boy

18th September
Astroming: boy
Purplepoppyseed: girl

19th September
C0smos: girl
MammaGnomes: girl

20th September
Kittenkatzen: boy
SamiadsTiredMummy: boy

21st September
Joskar: girl

23rd September
Dakomponist: girl
ADDED! Rollermum: girl

24th September
Derbynottsleicsnightnanny: girl

26th September
TripleRock: boy
Kilkers: girl

27th September
racheymo2: boy

29th September
Nerual: boy

1st October
pinkapple86: boy

2nd October
Juniper9: girl

4th October
Fozziebear: girl

9th October
Readytosettle: boy

Rollermum Sun 13-Oct-13 17:48:17

Thanks Fl0b0t!

SomethingLovely Sun 13-Oct-13 20:10:02

Mooster - just coming back to you on the maternity nurse agency, not sure where you're based but the place my friend used was Silent night Nannies, in London - silentnightnannies.co.uk, but she found them just by googling so I guess you could do that for your local area...

Mooster1709 Mon 14-Oct-13 05:19:36

Thanks everyone for being lovely. And thanks for bothering to checkout the nanny stuff something. Good job I didn't read the thread last night or you would have made me cry...

Interesting on the sleeping on side idea - I'd heard about this but have been too paranoid. Might ask the HV about it this week.

Tonight has been so much better - DH took DD from 8-12, then she slept until 1.30, and again until 4.30, in her basket. I'm letting her go to sleep on men ow and will try transferring again in a bit. But even if it doesn't work, I've had a lot more sleep than usual...

pink, I gave a bottle of expressed milk very early - week 2 or 3 I think (already can't remember) - and did it every day. It hasn't caused any probs with BF, and I think I did it because I read some research saying that it actually doesn't.

Livvylongpants Mon 14-Oct-13 06:18:45

Hi somethinglovely

I expressed and fed my DD for 5 months and will be doing the same this time round for 2 week old DS. He's getting breast milk whether its from a bottle or breast is irrelevant is what my HV said.

How is everyone. The sleep deprivation is killing me, I can't sleep when baby has his long afternoon nap as I have a 2 year old DD ( who also gets up at 5.30 )

Really struggling now as only had about 12 hours in last 3/4 days sad

mynameisnotmichaelcaine Mon 14-Oct-13 06:27:32

Livvy could you put a dvd on and barricade the three of you in a room, and at least doze during nap time?

Do you go to bed as soon as ds does? I am only surviving because as soon as Casper has finished his evening feed-a-thon, I go to bed. Not really seen dh for four weeks, but sleep is top priority atm.

Those of you with much older kids, how are they? DD is still sad that C isn't a girl, and she said yesterday there are times she wishes things were back how they used to be. I suppose it's good she can express these things, but it made me really sad. DD is 9.

Lexilicious Mon 14-Oct-13 09:01:56

I had a much better evening yesterday and will try the same tonight to see if it wasn't a fluke... Went to bed straight after dinner, about 8pm. Fed baby on and off for three hours while reading a book - the plan was to see if it was the stimulation of TV screens that was causing the evening fussiness. Sometimes I couldn't read the book because baby was wriggly and wanted to play, and the feeding was on off on off but not in the screaming fussy way of some evenings. Think we settled down to sleep about 11.30 and got a four hour stretch, but again I didn't turn on any lights to actually see the time. The last wake up that I couldn't get back to sleep from was 5.20 so I'll definitely need an afternoon nap today!

But when am I going to fit in watching Strictly, Montalbano, Grand Designs...?

fl0b0t Mon 14-Oct-13 10:29:49

Holy cow my baby is hungry! I'm starving but baby has been on the Boob for 45 mins! I'm in bed still...

Creamtea1 Mon 14-Oct-13 12:04:38

Hi all! Finally checking in - little girl born 18th sept.
am bf and its going ok, apart from trying a bottle -have been expressing some milk when I can and tried it in a bottle at 3 weeks exactly and again yesterday (3.5 weeks)
Total and complete refusal by dd! Crying and pulling away and not a solitary suck. I was surprised as when she was 2or 3 days old I had to give her a couple ounces of formula in a bottle which at that point she took no probs - and seemed to know how to suck the teat. I guess that now it's a few weeks later she's fully in the bf sucking technique so now the bottle is alien. She also won't have a dummy.
Any tips?

Redbird12 Mon 14-Oct-13 17:53:00

Hi All, if anyone is on a computer can you add me on to the birth list at some point, boy, 21st Sept. Finding it hard to move off the sofa as DS only seems to like to sleep on me during the day! As soon as i try to put him in his Moses basket, he wakes up and cries. It's forcing me to relax (and watch lots of daytime TV) but it's frustrating at times when i need to go and put some washing in or sterilise bottles or just eat!

At night, he sleeps in his cot on a Cocoonababy mattress, was expensive but we have found he sleeps really well on it and rarely cries/screams. Got ours from Jojo when they were doing a discount day and dont regret it as DS will settle himself to sleep in it, sleep for 4 hours, wake up for a feed and then sleep for another 3 hours, feed again and then sleep a bit longer. However, he seems to know that's for night and wants to sleep on me in the day!

I have moved pretty much just to formula now as was struggling to find the time to express enough and DS just getting too stressed trying to latch. Appreciated all the support on this thread though and fl0 read your thread about feeding as well which helped me realise bf is definitely not straightforward for many of us! Just using the ready made formula cartons for now for ease and read they are better for baby when under a month old (i guess less risk as already sterile), costing us a fortune but just doing what we can to make our lives easier.

We have also given in and bought DS a dummy at the weekend. I always said i hated them but he was constantly wanting to suck and i kept offering him the bottle which i think meant he was overfeeding and just sicking it back up. He doesnt use the dummy for long but just sucking it for a couple of minutes seems to help soothe him when he's distressed.

So i am now ff and using a dummy which was not my plan at all but like the birth (which ended up as an EMCS), i am realising with babies there's not much point having a plan, it's better just to go with the flow and react to whatever seems to be best for you and your baby.

Hope everyone ok today and getting some sleep.

fl0b0t Mon 14-Oct-13 18:03:23

redbird you're right about plans! I think the most you can have is an idea of ideals and open mind to the options! We've not gone down dummy route as he doesn't Seem too bothered by sucking!

SomethingLovely Mon 14-Oct-13 21:16:51

Redbird I was really tempted by the Cocoonababy mattress, but was a bit put off by the price, but now I'm not sure - I'd pay that much for a few good nights sleep! Do you find its ok in a cot & baby's safe from falling off it?! DD isn't good at settling in her crib despite having fleecy sheets & rolled up towels to wedge her in...

Weareboatsremember Mon 14-Oct-13 21:32:31

Weird question - does anyone else get a weird pinching sensation on the back of their upper arm when breastfeeding? It's very odd and I don't know if its normal or not! Dr google reveals nothing smile

Rollermum Mon 14-Oct-13 21:57:14

weareboats I have a similar thing but in my armpit - one side only. I was thinking it must be far back breast tissue but it is really far back so could be similar. I've been massaging it which seems to help.

Weareboatsremember Mon 14-Oct-13 22:12:54

Glad it's not just me roller. I was starting to worry about it as its such a strange feeling but like you, only on one side (my right). I'm surprised noone else has mentioned it?

Joskar Tue 15-Oct-13 00:04:15

Tales of a Wannabe Breastfeeder

Sunday Worst day ever. Complete breast refusal. So much as a sniff of me and she was going mental. A wee crimson octopus with flailing fists. I have never cried so much. Emotionally at the end of my tether. My mind harking back to the HV's parting words to me on Friday: "I never had a problem breastfeeding my children. I'm trying to imagine what it must feel like. It's a massive rejection of you, isn't it?"

Quite.

By Monday morning I was so upset DH and I were seriously considering throwing in the towel and just going with the formula. After all it has to be better than the rage my daughter displays at the very notion of feeding at the breast. It won't give her three heads. It'll be fine.

Monday 11 am DD accepts the breast and feeds as though she has always done this and doesn't stop until 11 at night. Genuinely. As cluster feeding goes I'd say 12 hours is not half bad. I think there was maybe three or four 20 min periods when she didn't feed at the breast. Utterly shattered but can't stop grinning.

Tuesday Feeds all day from 4 am no bother. A few hours of sleep (together) this time. Am exhausted but totally delighted.

Who has stolen my daughter and replaced her with this other calm, boob loving bairn?

grin grin grin grin grin grin

Rollermum Tue 15-Oct-13 03:06:49

Yay Joskar! That's great smile I wonder what changed? Either way it sounds likeshe clicked with it.

SomethingLovely Tue 15-Oct-13 03:29:21

That's amazing Joskar, such good news!! 12 hours is a proper marathon.., But hmm at the HV's comment... Really not v helpful!

Batbear Tue 15-Oct-13 03:50:52

Just catching up after an odd weekend. DS1 was poorly and spectacularly vomited on the floor. So far he's kept it to himself for which I am v grateful!

Please can I be added to the birth list too?! DS2 born 5 Sept.

Colicky symptoms seem to be worse in the evening here so we've started gripe water a few times a day to help with getting some air up. Think his slightly odd feeding style from his tongue tie is the cause. Despite it being cut he doesn't latch quite like he should.

Re sleeping positions DS1 was a horrible sleeper. Hated being on his back and would wake after 20 mins. In the end I put him on his tummy for a daytime nap - and watched him - he slept for hours! I then had him sleeping on his sides with a rolled up towel behind him - all worked a treat. As he was in a non smoking house I decided this was best for him. He still sleeps on his tummy at 3 YO.

Joskar - your efforts have been amazing -
So pleased for you!

Mooster1709 Tue 15-Oct-13 07:59:33

I feel for you livvy - don't know how people manage two! I second the going to bed early - could you express for a 9/10 pm feed and run away to bed at 7or 8? It's the only thing keeping me going.

So pleased for you joskar - I hope she keeps it up!

So * lex* do you think the tv was a factor? Have been wondering the same about DD but feel a bit bad handing her over to DH for the evening and banning the telly as well.

That cocoonababy mattress looks great - might be the answer for my Moses basket refuser but bloody hell it's expensive, especially since LO is already six weeks and it seems to only be recommended for the first few months... Anyone else got one?

And YY to the pointlessness of plans... And to ever thinking anything is a pattern, or that any cause-effect relationship can be found!

Redbird12 Tue 15-Oct-13 14:33:56

something lovely and mooster re: cocoonababy mattress, yes price seems to have gone up even more since i bought mine plus you will need a spare sheet unless you keep washing the same one. I managed to get mine under £100 with a Jojo Maman Bebe discount but only justified that by looking at resale value on ebay which was close to £80!
They now seem to be £130 everywhere but also out of stock when i looked at John lewis, Amazon and Jojo so that doesnt help (Jojo will take orders but with 5 week leadtime).

It has worked well for us, we have it in the cot but to make sure it wasnt too high, we dont have the normal cot mattress in there at the moment, we just placed a blanket underneath it so it's not on bare slats. DH had alread built the cot with the base at the highest level and couldnt face redoing it but would also be fine to place straight on to cot mattress if you had the base lower. You cant use it in a Moses basket as it's too high but you could just use the Cocoonababy mattress by itself as well as the baby is strapped in. Defintely feels safe. It will also ne good for nights away from home. So i would recommend it despite the price, however if your baby is already a few weeks old and you're going to have to wait a few weeks for it to arrive, not sure it will be worth it as can only be used for approx 4 months.

Lastly just to add to joskar, well done, really impressed with you keeping going with bf (we have switched to formula but admire anyone with more patience than me when faced with a screaming baby to keep going). Not very helpful comments from HV though!!

fl0b0t Wed 16-Oct-13 06:30:03

Hurrah joksar. No rhyme or reason, just perseverance! Well done!

Rollermum Wed 16-Oct-13 08:07:25

Hey all - my eyes are on stalks as we had a rough night. For the last two nights LO won't go int the Moses basket at all. She was great before and had slept for 5-6 hour stretches. Now she won't feed or rock to sleep, won't settle herself (which is fine for a 3 week old). My DH takes her after she's been feed at 10 and midnight, tries to settle her but she just screams which makes me feel gulity and then hands her to me. We ended up co sleeping from 3 til 8 which isn't something I wanted to do!

I was all set to avoid trying to lay down routines until 12 weeks or so but feel like I'm losing my sanity. I even picked up the Gina Ford book my sister gave me, but I can't envisage it working - as she is BF and doesn't go long between feeds. Also I can't see her settling without help.

Anyone doing anything at all structured at this point? I wonder if I could at least make day and night more distinct somehow - all is totally random at the moment!

dakomponist Wed 16-Oct-13 09:18:51

Roller, it sounds like we have the same child. They were born on the same day after all. Not happy about the co sleeping going on at the moment either.

Rollermum Wed 16-Oct-13 10:01:50

Ha! At least we're not alone! Maybe they are right on trend. My DH thinks its a grin and bear it phase to get through. (Mumbles:easy for non BF parent to say). Are you going to attempt a routine / change of habits anytime soon?

SomethingLovely Wed 16-Oct-13 10:12:09

Roller & dakomponist, I'm in exactly the same boat as you both... DD will not sleep at night, at all, anywhere (except the sofa, eventually)! Her preferred bedtime is between 3-5 am, sometimes she'll go down til about midnight then stay up, last night she went from 9.30 to 3.30 awake and crying a lot, am totally frazzled today. Haven't tried co sleeping but was talking about it last night, and wasn't sure whether it was too soon for a routine (4 weeks old) - interested to know what others have found works? Am praying it is just a grin & bear it phase! She's a bit sicky, but that doesn't really seem to bother her, it's more she just can't switch off and keeps waking herself up more & more...

Rollermum Wed 16-Oct-13 12:19:51

Yes - it's exactly like that - can't switch off and gets upset. But sleeping loads during the day.

My instinct is saying it is too soon for a routine but have read a few things that have confused the hell out of me.

fl0b0t Wed 16-Oct-13 13:02:00

Sounds like a growth spurt- famously one at three weeks. We had it here (Robin is now 5 weeks old) and I promise it will (probably) pass. I refuse to contemplate much of a routine yet (baby feels far too small currently) but I keep him more stimulated during the day and at night it's all hushed voices, lights off, lying down to feed etc. Too soon to be conclusive but it seems to be working at the moment. The growth spurts are TOUGH but keep at it smile

SomethingLovely Wed 16-Oct-13 17:45:14

Yup, same here Roller - great sleeping in the day, different child at night!

Fl0 - how long did the growth spurts last for Robin?

Redbird thanks for the info on the Cocoonababy, I'd probably be more tempted if I could get one quickly, there's a seller on Amazon who wants £200! Thieves! Am going to try the carrycot tonight rather than the crib as she seems to like the enclosed-ness of it...

Rollermum Wed 16-Oct-13 19:57:25

Is it constant feeding at night? With LOos was like that for a few days so I thought it was a growth spurt but last night just wouldn't settle but didn't feed a lot.

She is asleep next to me right now buying just waiting for her to turn...

Rollermum Wed 16-Oct-13 19:59:51

But not buying!

Also I've just realised I feed with rugby hold with her propped on pillows where she generally falls asleep and I just leave her snoozing next to me. Maybe this is part of the problem as if feeding in arms I'd have to put her down?

fl0b0t Wed 16-Oct-13 21:28:25

Growth spurts lasted a few days. We had one at 3v weeks and I've at four. Now waiting for the 6 week!

Batbear Wed 16-Oct-13 22:10:53

I think my DS has hit the 6 week growth spurt right on schedule! Almost constant feeding from 6-10pm. I'm shattered!

DH working late shifts all week so it is hard to juggle constant feeding with another DS to think about and get to bed!

fl0b0t Thu 17-Oct-13 04:43:36

Yikes batbear. Sometimes Robin cluster feeds like that anyway so with any luck I won't even notice the 6 week (haha yeah right).

SomethingLovely Thu 17-Oct-13 05:38:49

She isn't really feeding more often, but possibly drinking a bit more each time (EMB in a bottle, so can keep an eye on quantity)... Dunno really, feeling pretty despondent (and f*cking knackered!) now, after sitting up for another six hours watching her fight going to sleep... She gets to the point of nodding off, then wakes herself up again... She's exhausted, and to make myself feel even more annoyed about it she was pretty much asleep at 1.30 and I bloody woke her up by moving her! And since then she been getting herself in a state.... OH will have to take over at 6, need some poxy sleep!

Rollermum Thu 17-Oct-13 08:36:21

Hope you all got sone sleep! I had two chunks of 1.5 then one of three so shouldn't complain but feel shattered. She did go down and stay asleep in basket but only from 3.30-7.40am.

I've a mad urge to go to nearby town for shopping / change of scene. But am by myself with LO and invokes a short train ride (15 mins). And I've not BF in public before.

fl0b0t Thu 17-Oct-13 11:27:10

somethinglovely- I had a bit of a night like that. DH had popped to spare room around 1am because he had a crappy day at work. I got 2 hours sleep then baby was awake, feeding, winding and crying from about 2:30am. I did the same accidental wake baby up trying to move him (and kicked myself for being such an idiot), and dh came to rescue me at 6am and took the baby downstaitrs for nappy changfe and a cuddle, so i got a little more sleep..phew!
rollermum go for it!! bf in public is fine smile

sorry for bad typing, snoring baby in one arm!!

SomethingLovely Thu 17-Oct-13 11:40:42

Wow fl0, we had the same night! Glad you managed to get some rest, I did too from 6ish - amazing how grateful I am for 3 hours sleep these days! It's a bugger when you wake them up by accident isn't it? Hopefully the all-night waking a will pass at some point...

Roller - hope you did go out in the end, once you've done it once it'll seem so much easier - maybe just have a plan for where you'll feed & change when the time comes... Some shops / centres have nice family rooms, was super impressed with westfield's, armchairs and cubicles for feeding etc, nappy change bays etc, brilliant! Are these new? Never needed that sort of thing before!

Weareboatsremember Thu 17-Oct-13 11:42:51

roller you should totally go for it. Bf in public is absolutely fine, if a little nerve wracking the first time you do it. I wear a vest top underneath my clothes so I can pull up my top layer and pull down my bra and vest so my tummy is still covered. I use a muslin cloth too, but a friend uses a scarf to cover up the boob. Good luck!

jennimoo Thu 17-Oct-13 13:25:55

Just read through quickly, finding it hard to keep up. Neither of mine had any kind of routine for a least the first few months. I think some babies naturally tend towards a routine so with a little shove can do it, but plenty can't... I have some days where DS seems to be awake all day, others asleep all day! Mostly asleep still though at 7.5 weeks!

And with BFing in public I'd try to have someone with you the first time, makes it so much less scary! I have some giant muslins which are great to cover up as you try to get them to latch. I try to position myself so that therevisntblikely to be anyone standing behind / over me. The worst place in a cafe is by the queue!

fl0b0t Thu 17-Oct-13 22:34:28

Another night like last night. Been in bed two hours.. Baby had one 40 min feed and fell asleep. Woke up windy when I tried to put him down. Dh did a nappy change, baby screaming. 25 mins into another feed. He seems pretty restless. ..I wonder if we are hitting the 6 week growth spurt early?

Anyone else find winding the baby their last favourite job? I'd rather change a hundred nappies then wake up my sleepy baby to jiggle him about for an indefinite amount of time. Can't help that he didn't seem to enjoy it either.

Livvylongpants Thu 17-Oct-13 22:52:54

Hello all, in glad (that sounds mean) that I'm not the only one having not much sleep. Was so exhausted last night that OH did the night shift. God getting 5 hours straight was lovely, DS is fed exclusively expressed milk and I have built up a small store of it so I don't always need to be on hand when he is hungry.

DS is 3 weeks old tomorrow and I finally feel a bit like I'm cracking the whole 2 kids thing. Yesterday and today we had a few hours in the day and another few in the evening when both children are asleep. We get out a lot too, I find if I take DD (2) to a playgroup etc in the morning it makes my day easier as she's less bored although I do worry about DS picking up a bug from the snotty toddlers.

Also I find getting DS to sleep is easier when DP does it. I think it's the smell if milk making the small boy want to eat.

PinkApple86 Fri 18-Oct-13 04:04:24

yes fl0 I really struggle with winding. I try all the positions but I can get anything out and the little one keeps squirming and ends up with hiccups. dh is much better at it than me.

Rollermum Fri 18-Oct-13 07:04:05

Well I didn't make it to town in the end - partly because DD was really restless in the morning, and partly because when I googled prams on SW trains it was unclear what would be allowed. I agree re breastfeeding in public - if I make it to the local bumps and babies group today that would be a good first attempt!

DD had a very similar pattern yesterday - only goes in basket from 3 until 7. Awkward, but it's a start!

On winding I find it easier now than at the start but she still ends up with hiccups a lot.

SomethingLovely Fri 18-Oct-13 11:50:36

Good luck today then Roller if you do get out! I find public transport tricky, stairs everywhere on the tube (and only 5 weeks post section can't lift pram by myself)and only one space in the bus, so have been using the sling, but it's tricky to get her in & out to feed, change etc while out & about!

Agree fl0 about the winding! but if you don't you know it'll bite you on the arse later - couldn't properly wind DD yesterday while out because she was cocooned in the sling insert and she was sick by the time we got home, I felt like such a bad mum. What I find does help is feeding, changing happy then winding - by the time she's laid down flat and been picked up again it kind of works it's way out more easily.

& Livvy you are by no means alone with the sleep deprivation! We had another 6 hours wide awake in the night, my child is nocturnal it would seem, so I get an hour or so before midnight and go back to bed at 6am for a couple. Hope I can reset her body clock, but I'm so desperate in the day I do tiptoe a bit, TV on sometimes though, curtains open.

Can I ask what people do about changing in the night? Do you feed and change in the semi-darkness to keep things quiet? I don't really have room in the bedroom to change her so end up taking her next door, but it's brighter and it probably wakes her up a bit more. Might see if I can create a changing area somewhere in the bedroom...

jennimoo Fri 18-Oct-13 14:10:20

I only change at night if he's definitely done a poo, otherwise just leave him. I change him in his room and it's really bright and does wake him up a lot, but I don't think I could get him very clean in low light!

Livvylongpants Fri 18-Oct-13 14:16:28

I chane him on the bed. I keep the lights off but we always have hallway light on and door open so I have a little light, also being second child I can change with my eyes shut.

Out boy is sick a lot, I honk he guzzle so much milk but then he can't hold it all down

Unfortunately life goes on for us with second children. I came home 2 hours after having DS, got DD back 3 hours after that. We have carried on doing the playgroup a as usual and poor DS has jut had to fit In with us

PinkApple86 Fri 18-Oct-13 16:16:42

Are any BFers using infracol whatever it's called? I looked at it in boots today but the instructions said add to bottle before feeding but I'm ebf so can I use it? just squirt it in his mouth? sorry if this is a dumb thing to ask!

Mooster1709 Sat 19-Oct-13 03:24:56

pink yes - just squirt it in their mouth if bf. Speaking of which, I've got lazy with giving infacol, must try harder!

Pleased to hear I'm not the only one getting no sleep. It's brutal isn't it? Dd is 7 weeks and 90% of the time can't settle herself. Will go to sleep on me but when I try to move to basket will either wake straight away or 15 mins later.

Resorted to co-sleeping last night, out of desperation, but then felt guilty all day...

fl0b0t Sat 19-Oct-13 07:30:04

A slightly better night here. Co slept a little but managed to put him down for a bit too so no 2 til 7 an screaming! Thought the in laws are here so I might start screaming next.
kellymom.com/parenting/parenting-faq/fussybaby/
Someone posted this recent and it made me feel much better about everything. There was also amn thread about Co sleeping and I'll post and link to that x

fl0b0t Sat 19-Oct-13 07:31:31

www.mumsnet.com/Talk?call=ThreadsImWatching

Lots of rl experience of Co sleeping

Lexilicious Sat 19-Oct-13 09:25:56

Well our co sleeping days have ended and I am a bit sad about that. DH wanted to try B in the cot (the Moses basket never worked for her, I think it wasn't firm enough support) so we got it down from the loft and bought a new mattress. Last night was the first night on her own, just shy of six weeks. She had a screamy evening (and to answer Mooster I think quiet evenings without TV definitely help keep things calm, but don't have much bearing on the rest of the night) but went down to sleep in my arms with a few mini feeds when I was ready for bed. I gingerly put her in the cot and she snuffled a bit but then relaxed.

Woke at 1 for feeding, and she also had a big crap, so since it was DH's idea to have her in the cot, when I put her down I asked him to change her. He did... When she next woke at 4. She then peed on herself while being changed, so he had to do a sleep suit change, well, handed her to me for feeding with a new sleep suit to put her in one-handed while she was on the boob. He left me in bed and went downstairs because being that awake at that time of day he knew he wouldn't get back off to sleep. So I could have had the last part of the night cuddled with baby, but I put her back in the grobag in the cot at 4.20 and was next woken at 7.40. I grudgingly agree that the cot seems to work well for us all (early-hours changing issues notwithstanding...!)

Rollermum Sun 20-Oct-13 09:45:17

Lexi glad the cot working for you. I can't wait to get LO into grobag as I think faffing with blankets and a cold bed make her wake up.

Fl0b0t hope inlaws haven't made you start screaming yet?

Mooster getting anymore sleep?

We had a terrible day yesterday with lots screaming, digestive pain. But then in the evening / night she went 4 hrs between feeds three times. Amazing! Probably won't happen tonight because she's so random but gives me hope.

I am trying giving up dairy, started yesterday. My pre-pregnancy hives are back and LO also has a rash. Digestive discomfort can be an issue too.

fl0b0t Sun 20-Oct-13 15:54:16

No comment re: screaming!
Robin had his worst night ever last night. We tried to go to bed early, about 8pm ish and it went very wrong. Robin screamed like he's never screamed before. DH took him for a walk in the sling which worked at first, so came back about 11:30pm with a sleepy baby. Who promtly woke up. Did a feed, and he screamed a bit more, so lovely DH took Robin downstairs and cuddled him to sleep until about 1:30am. He's never been like that before- absolutely inconsolable. Screaming with fury. Absolutely horrible. Had to be when inlaws were here so I was a bit more tired and on edge- and DH kindly helping out which was great but MIL I'm sure already thinks that DH does everything for me, so I didnt' want to appear like I was letting DH do everything, even though obviously I do 80% plus of the childcare usually! Very stressful :-(

Rollermum Sun 20-Oct-13 19:42:33

Oh no, sympathies Fl0b0t! Sounds horrible. I know what you mean about MILs. Mine basically said 'pull yourself together for sake of DH' when was tired and exhausted from traumatic birth. Also heavily implied he shouldn't have to do too much childcare because has to go to work. True, but some balance is needed!

Hope you've had less screaming today. Been so so here.

Joskar Sun 20-Oct-13 19:45:39

fl0b0t Martha had one of her worst days when my MIL was staying. According to my nutter HV "stress flavours milk" which is clearly bollocks but I reckon mummy being on edge makes baby much more likely to create. If I was you I wouldn't give a toot about what your MIL thinks of her son caring for his child. He isn't helping out he is doing his bit because he can't do even half of the baby stuff. It's only right that he sit up with the screaming bairn not a favour. I cannot even begin to imagine how difficult this childcare carry on would be if it weren't for modern, useful DHs. My DH is better at getting Martha to sleep particularly if I've been trying for ages. I reckon my tension and the smell of my milk combine to keep her fractious.

ION

Those of you from the antenatal thread might be interested to hear that my SPD returned having taken only a two week break following the birth. It's not as bad as it was but particularly difficult to lie down. Hmmph! I would weep but I'm too tired and dehydrated to summon up the tears.

Livvylongpants Sun 20-Oct-13 21:30:30

Flobot sorry to hear you've been having a bad time of it. Is anyone's DC constantly eating, DS seems to feed about 3oz every hour or so (unless he's having his long afternoon nap or at night) he's fed expressed milk, I'm starting tk think he's just drinking it for comfort and I should stop offering it, but he roots something chronic so I'm sure he is hungry and just a pig he will be weighed tomorrow for te first time since he was 10 days old (he's 23 days old now) so will see how much he's put on. I reckon he's about 10lb now (he was 8lb at birth)

He's moved into 0-3 month stuff too, which makes me feel sad that he's getting bigger already sad

Gerty1002 Sun 20-Oct-13 21:50:26

Haven't been great at keeping up with this thread and need to add myself to the stats but just read the last post by Livvy and had to mention that today my DS moved up to 3-6months clothes! He never went in his newborn things sad luckily we hadn't bought many! I was a little sad at putting his 0-3 away but also excited as he has some gorgeous 3-6 smile.

People were sensible with their gift buying after discovering his 10lb4oz birth weight!

Joskar Sun 20-Oct-13 22:20:24

Livvy How weird. DH and I were just wondering about the same thing. DD has mostly breast but with some ebm and some formula. Today she breast fed from 10 am until 8 pm with only very few breaks to be changed and doze very lightly. Then she had 100 mls of ebm and I have no doubt she'll have a full 4oz bottle of formula at some point plus more breast at 2 am and then again at 5 am. It's relentless. I thought it was a growth spurt but it's been over a week now.

DD gets weighed at least once a week by one or other of the hideous health professionals we have attending us. She has never been below the 50th centile for weight and seems to be gaining steady but not excessive.

Livvylongpants Mon 21-Oct-13 01:57:34

Wow joskar that's a long feed! We do no breast at all, I did the same with my DD. I have THE most sensitive nipples ever and / children that suck like dysons which just lead to a painful experience for me, however them getting breast milk is important, hence my 5 hourly 'milking' sessions.

I've slotted back into the routine I had with my daughter. I pump 8oz at 11 (Milk keeps for 6 hours at room temp) heat till very hot and put in insulated bag, put nappy, wipes, spare grow and bottle into a bag to take to bed. Before I go to bed I put a cleaning nappy on and force offer him some milk. My reasoning is to reduce any reason for him to get up other then being hungry. So he has clean bum, clean clothes and a grow bag and grows with fold over mitts so he doesn't get cold.

I've no idea if any of these work though, but they make me feel better smile

Queazy Mon 21-Oct-13 03:49:06

My goodness, my 6wo has a cold and on night 3 of no sleep hmm Just fed and winded her and she woke again after...30mins!! Argh! I've got a cold too and such a headache. She doesn't sleep well in the day at all so I'm surviving on. 3-4 hrs a night. Anyone else feeling ill through sleep deprivation?! hmm X

Gerty1002 Mon 21-Oct-13 06:33:40

Queazy I'm feeling rather run down too so I empathise. I'm ff but DS (6 wks) is VERY hungry so wants fed 7oz every 2.5 hours and is terrible at getting wind up lately so the process of feeding, winding and changing (he poos almost every feed) is taking 1.5 hours. If he doesn't get his wind up half way through the bottle he refuses to take the rest! So very little sleep here these past few days.

Gerty1002 Mon 21-Oct-13 06:35:56

Oh and my DS is very snuffly in general, often waking with a blocked nose. Try putting Olbas Oil for children on a tissue and place near.moses basket or at top of cot... it says not to use until 3 months but I don't put it right under his nose as instructions state. Also swear by saline drops or spray.

fl0b0t Mon 21-Oct-13 07:07:50

Aye I'm sure stress compounds grumpy baby. ... they'regoing soon....

joksar I can't bridge it has come back! How unfair! What will they do for you?

Iv have just changed the grossest napply ever, and he has a really grumbly wundy tummy

badguider Mon 21-Oct-13 08:17:55

I am so behind with this thread but just wanted to say we are going through similar.
Ds fusses from 9pm ish to 11/12 then sleeps in two chunks with a feed half way till about 4am then has wind grunting and straining 4-6ish then another decent sleep till 8.

Dh covers the 9-11 shift with a bottle of ebm so I get a chunk of sleep then I get little sleeps the rest of the night.

Seems the evening fussiness is totally normal but does anybody else get the 4am gut troubles??

Wincher Mon 21-Oct-13 08:51:28

Ds2 is still feeding every 1.5 hours at night which is pretty wearing. Wish I could somehow get him to take more and go longer. He normally settles ok in the co sleeper cot but from around 6am tends to sleep on me.

We are now into the 3-6 month clothes and size 3 nappies... where has my tiny newborn gone?

Queazy Mon 21-Oct-13 10:42:36

Wincher, I have the same issue that DD will only sleep on me in the morning. I just attempted the Moses basket again and she only slept for 30mins.

She's just growing out of her newborn stuff, and her long legs are even stretching the 0-3 months too!

Thanks for suggestion of children's olbas oil! I didn't know they did that, so really helpful.

I had (another) quick question - do you swaddle in the daytime? I just can't get DD to sleep more than 30mins at a time and wondering if swaddling in the day could work!

X

Gerty1002 Mon 21-Oct-13 11:55:25

Queazy I've never swaddled as DS is too strong and just pulls his arms out and kicks the blanket off!

badguider We have 5am gut troubles but also 2-3am. Basically half an hour to an hour before he is due a feed. Doesn't seem to happen during the day though!

Lexilicious Mon 21-Oct-13 12:29:08

badguider we have evening fussiness combined with gut troubles - gets two things out of the way at once I suppose! She saves her crap for about 11pm, and once that's done, she can go down to sleep properly.

So I got sleep from 11.15 to 1am, then to 4am, then DS whispered in my ear at 6am that he had wee'd in bed, the ensuing kerfuffle woke baby so she had a sleepy feed at 6.30, then a proper grunty grumbly feedmenowdammit at 8.15. She seems to like a two hour morning nap and a two-three hour afternoon nap with only a little playing in between. Most of her alert time is late afternoon and evening. DS is definitely more lark than owl so life could be interesting if baby continues in this vein!

SomethingLovely Mon 21-Oct-13 14:30:05

queazy we do swaddle in the daytime and at night. DD (5 weeks) won't settle and stay asleep without it... She kind of jolts her arms around maybe 10-20 mins into sleeping and wakes herself up. She can wriggle out of most normal wrap swaddles so we bought a Miracle Blanket which is like a straight jacket, holds her arms straight down by her side (gerty this could work for your DC perhaps) and she settles pretty well in it... We get roughly 3 hours stretches asleep day & night (and in response to discussion about feeding quantities & frequency, she usually has about 100mls of expressed BM each feed, feeding every 3 hours)...

The night time 6 hour wakings have passed for now though, thank god! Tested out only keeping everything dark & in the bedroom, bottom slathered in bepanthen and changing dirty nappies rather than the damp ones - she's still a bit unsettled between sleeps but at least not up all night - hope I haven't jinxed it by posting!

jennimoo Mon 21-Oct-13 15:28:31

Joskar - sorry to hear about SPD sad I'd been wondering how you were.

I'm starting to get twinges again the last couple of weeks, started about 6 weeks.

Rollermum Mon 21-Oct-13 18:45:25

Does anyone else find the need feed(s) take hours? I feed LO for 35ish mins, it's getting her settled again that takes time -like 3.5 hours total last night. Urgh. Badguider it could be wind causing it but not sure.

Wincher yes! Can't believe they grow so fast. She is too l

Rollermum Mon 21-Oct-13 18:47:14

Sorry posted too soon - she is too long for newborn and that's a shame because they have the best built in scratch mitts. Her nails are like tiny pins! Even when I cut them.

PurplePoppySeed Tue 22-Oct-13 18:05:59

DD has wind issues literally all day long & explosive poo! She's ok at night (mostly) but there is a lot of grunting and straining which makes it so hard to sleep! Infacol helps but our first try of gripe water last night resulted in projectile vomit, so that was a waste of money! I can't find a pattern of when sometimes its night sometimes day so I'm thinking I may have to change my diet as its getting unbearable for both of us confused

Batbear Wed 23-Oct-13 05:08:53

Can't believe some babies are getting into 3-6 months stuff - time is flying isn't it! My little one has huge flipper feet, so I expect I'll need to size up soon too!

I managed to get him to drink expressed milk yesterday from a bottle (which we'd delayed due to tongue tie op) so happy now that I might be able to escape for a bit!

Need to get my act together and get him weighed this week though!

Hope tonight has been easy for everyone

Rollermum Wed 23-Oct-13 11:26:23

Purple that sounds frustrating. What changes are you thinking of making to your diet?

Batbear that sounds like what I want to do! I've been reading about expressing and got v confused. What time of day do you do it? And how do you work it into the normal feed pattern?

LO was really difficult all day yesterday but slept ok. The HVsaid her rash was heat rash, and she'll be ok in just a baby grow. So I'm trying it, but also holding offon dairy for now.

Queazy Wed 23-Oct-13 11:48:49

I've given up dairy too - how are you finding it? I ate moussaka after 3 weeks to test it - felt a bit delicate and DC had a bad night, but so hard to know if it was due to the food as she has 'bad nights' quite frequently!

Have any of you read the Wonder Weeks book? It suggests they're going through leaps or growth spurts around this time.

badguider Wed 23-Oct-13 16:01:25

Ds had a shocker of a night last night - from 3ish he only slept 45mins of every hour and woke me grunting and straining with wind for the other 15... it was relentless...

Handed him to dh when his alarm went off and he happily sat in his bouncy chair all through dh's shower and breakfast while I slept. Dh put him down again next to me without waking me when he left and I got another half hour so 1.5 in total - phew!

But what on earth can I do about the night time? How can I get him to stay asleep longer than 45min? As soon as he wakes he realises his tummy is bubbly and won't settle again lying on his back, I have to put him upright to get him back to sleep, so I can't see how any dream sheep or whatever is going to help that sad

PurplePoppySeed Wed 23-Oct-13 18:24:19

Yep I'm cutting out dairy too + caffeine, alcohol (which I haven't really had much anyway), and any veg that makes me gassy! Day 1 of doing this didn't go well though, forgot that would include chocolate so slipped by 11am, then realised I didn't have anything in the house for lunch that didn't involve cheese, so made do with plain pasta with olive oil, pepper, tomatoes and red pepper, then ate cake this afternoon oops!

SomethingLovely Wed 23-Oct-13 22:25:33

Sorry to hear about your night badguider, it sounds grueling... You said he settles when he's in his bouncy chair? What does he sleep in at night? You probably have, but just in case, have you tried raising his mattress at one end? I realise there's only so much height you can put under one end but maybe it'd help... DD did sometimes have gut trouble in the night like you describe, and was really unsettled as a result. Not sure how you're feeding - FF or BF - we use bottles for breast milk and it made me super paranoid about washing and sterilising thoroughly & not letting milk sit out too long. Not sure what made it go in the end, sorry I know that's not terribly helpful but I totally sympathise as it's really difficult watching and listening to them strain and struggle in pain from wind...

purple just wanted to say I've had mixed results with gripe water, but overall I find it more effective than infacol. In fact I found infacol made D more sicky generally. I did have a projectile vomit incident with gripe water once (think she'd gulped it down, you have to give quite a lot compared with infacol and it's a funny taste) but the rest of the time I think she finds it quite soothing and we've had some great burps afterwards! We've been using a plastic syringe to drip it in, bit long-winded but hopefully avoids it coming straight back up again. You know your baby best but it might be worth another go?

fl0b0t Wed 23-Oct-13 23:52:29

Hmm I am not keen to give up dairy! Had a cheese fest last night and baby had very smelly nappies today.

After screaming all evening again last night he slept much of the day. Saw hv in the morning and she reconsstress of in law visit had probably caused much of baby stress so we need to take it easy fit a few days. So had a tv day! Tired as all hell still. Thirdcattempt to put baby down....

Rollermum Thu 24-Oct-13 01:21:41

Can't put my LO down either! She has been crying almost solidly since early evening - in off the boob arghhh! DHgot v stressed trying to settle her, which he doesn't normally. She seemed really hungry but also really windy.

She asleep now on me after a feed and I'm reluctant to try to put her down! Wondering if the Moses basket is too small as she flails and hits the sides with her arms - but hates being swaddled!

Hope we all get some sleep...

Batbear Thu 24-Oct-13 02:45:41

Had a reasonable day here yesterday as I have now got to 7 weeks and that little spurt seems to be over. He's 12lb so happily putting on weight too!

I'm trying to stretch the gap between feeds as he can be a snacky feeder (5 mins and hungry 30 mins later) and that meant he's only just woken after a 5 hour sleep! Amazing.

rollermum for expressing its finding when he is having a good sleep and going for it. He has long naps in the morning so I can get it done then - feed from just one side, settle him to sleep then express the other. If he wakes and fusses I try and settle without feeding to give me a chance to get my milk back. Does that make sense?! confused

Rollermum Thu 24-Oct-13 07:46:51

Thanks Batbear that is useful. After expressing and you fed again do you go back to the first boob? If that makes sense! Are you using the bottle as a chance to sleep or escape? smile I got confused because I read a couple of posts online suggesting you need to express when you would have fed, which makes it pointless for sleeping / getting out. Sorry for all questions.

Queazy giving up dairy is ok. I had some headaches. I am concerned my overall calories have gone down because there are fewer foods I can just grab.When LO screaming yesterday was concerned it was affecting milk supply but don't want to leap to conclusions.

badguider Thu 24-Oct-13 09:51:43

Had a spectacular white noise success last night so have just ordered a Ewan smile

He still woke every 45m but i just played 15m of white noise app and put my hand on him and we both went straight back to sleep.

We tried white noise at 2/3wks and it didnt work so quite surprised that it did last night.

Only issue is that dh keeps waking needing to pee cause of the noise smile

SomethingLovely Thu 24-Oct-13 11:12:56

Ewan has been our saviour too! Though I also downloaded the Harvey Karp CD, there's some good various white noises on there - we use the raindrops one, and have it playing on repeat from a little iPod next to her! When she's really grumpy we turn the volume up to settle her, them keep it on v low when she's sleeping...

fl0b0t Thu 24-Oct-13 11:29:59

Wish white noise worked over here! Works a treat on me....

Livvylongpants Thu 24-Oct-13 13:12:27

I am toddler-less thus afternoon. Oh the bliss!!! Just me and the boy (4 weeks tomorrow where has the time gone) its so relaxing, just feed him, pump milk and cuddle.

I just love to revel in the newborn lovliness. I remember thinking it was hard when daughter was tiny, I never realised that toddlers were sooo difficult (or maybe just mine) it makes bobby with his reflux and not sleeping for more than 2 hours seem easy

PurplePoppySeed Thu 24-Oct-13 18:01:58

Thanks somethinglovely, I might try that - just need to get a syringe, we also tried it during an evening when she was already worked up, so that may not have helped. She started getting upset at 5 today, but I've managed to get her off to sleep in a swinging massage chair thing or borrowed, she keeps looking like she's about to star crying then chills again which is good so far, wonder how long it will last!
Chemist told me today to try infacol 20 mins before a feed instead of just before, difficult though as she sees it as a warning that boob is coming!

Joskar Thu 24-Oct-13 19:48:48

Re: Wind

We've gone from bottles to boob and found boob much less windy. Bottles seem to be hellish for letting in the air. No solution just an observation.

See thrush? It can feck off btw. Makes mastitis and breast refusal and even wind look like a walk in the park. So pissed off and sore. Am having wine and I just don't care!

3Caramel Thu 24-Oct-13 20:20:41

I agree with you livvylongpants! New babies are so much easier than a screaming 2 yr old...

Saying that I have totally forgotten everything from the first time around - like counting the small victories of managing to put on a load of washing, putting baby in bouncy chair for 10 mins without tears etc. I love the intimate baby cuddles & feeding, but am looking forward to having more if a routinue in place to make things easier in dealing with the toddler.

Can anyone remember / does anyone know when things start to fall into more if a pattern or routinue?

(Ps. First post on this thread - have only just stumbled upon it! I've got a 2.1 yr old ds1 & 5 wk old ds2. Hello ladies & congratulations!)

Livvylongpants Thu 24-Oct-13 20:52:28

I find if your in une carefully he will have a sort of routine already, I have noticed that DS has a long afternoon nap around 1... So I have pulled DDs nap earlier so they both nap 1-3 most days to save my sanity it also means I get a chance to have a long pumping session and so some housework. I Hoover when the kids are asleep as The noise tends to help DS nap for longer

Come to think of it maybe he likes the white noise, I will look into a white noise app

I found this time with DS I just went into autopilot, I immediately slotted into the same routine I had with DD

I put kettle on, wash up, bottles and pump equipment in steriliser, make tea, warm bottle and stick wash on.

Next time I go to do a bottle I move clothes from machine to tumbler and put new wash on

Next time I Fold the dry clothes

The whole thing takes about 5 minutes but makes me feel like I've achieved something smile

Batbear Fri 25-Oct-13 03:57:16

Amazing Livvy - looks like you are doing really well. I'm not noticing a routine but feeds are spacing out so hope we are not too far off. Having said that I am just doing what I need to and he's brought along for the ride!

roller - you are totally right. I go back to the non-expressed side for the next feed. So far I am using it as an escape - even if it is just to spend a bit more time with the toddler and also to give Daddy some bonding time.

I had my 6 week check at the doctors yesterday - possibly the quickest appointment ever! "Are you ok? Any questions"... Not really worth the 30 minute wait in a germ filled waiting room!

Rollermum Fri 25-Oct-13 05:18:08

I tend to get washing and stuff done with LO in the sling, but it is quite painful on my back. She is really hard to put down in the daytime.

Thanks Batbear - I think I'll try expressing soon. Really hope I can do it!

Talking of 6 week appointments does anyone know if an internal exam is likely if I had episiotomy and tear? Really hope not.

Batbear Fri 25-Oct-13 08:55:37

Hi Roller - from what I remember last time they will only look if you want them too ( if you are worried about how you are healing etc).

Changed and fed DS before I went to bed last night and only had him wake at 3 and 6.30. Feel like I had some decent sleep last night!

fl0b0t Fri 25-Oct-13 13:02:33

batbear nice one! We had a good night- took three attempts (as usual) to get him down after 10pm (finally got him down about 11:30) and then he woke around 3:15 and then not til sevenish which was amazing. Sadly he was super windy after a 15 min feed so was being burped and cuddled from 3:30 am until almost 5:30!! Less good!

Gerty1002 Sat 26-Oct-13 08:30:23

Roller I had my six week check yesterday and was surprised by how brief and non-invasive it was. I very much expecting to have my stitches checked and iron levels checked after I haemorrhaged and was anaemic but she just asked me a few questions and took my bp!

Had an excellent night with DS last night, fed at 7:30pm, 12:30am and 5:30am, then went back to sleep til 7:40am! Happy parents this morning! Hooray for hungry baby milk smile.

Rollermum Sat 26-Oct-13 08:46:16

Thanks Batbear and Gerty for reassurance re exam at 6 week check. After induction over 4.5 days I have the fear of anyone going near my foof ever again and fear I would either cry or kick the Dr in the face in panic.

That's a good pattern Gerty my LO wake up times nearly identical last night but she woke herself up at 6.30am pooling! This seems to be the only fixed event in her day! So didn't go back to bed, but overall progress had been made. Mustn't get too excited - her patterns normally last all of two days!

Gerty1002 Sat 26-Oct-13 08:49:56

Same here Roller, just when I think we're getting into a good routine it changes!

Wibblytummy Sat 26-Oct-13 18:33:11

Oh how have I only just found this thread?! Hello and congratulations everyone!

Does anyone else have a little one who will not be put down? Dd is 5wks today and absolutely refuses. She is either feeding or in the sling. She cries in the buggy and car seat. At night she has to sleep cradled in my arms, she won't even sleep next to me in her co-sleeper crib with my hand on her, it's in my arms or tears!

I remember my DS1 was a clingy baby but not this extreme as he would sleep in his Moses at night for phases and happily in the car seat and buggy!!

fl0b0t Sun 27-Oct-13 15:07:15

Congrats wibbly. Just goes to show they're all different.

Crap nights have been:Saturday, Tuesday, Thurs, Fri and Saturday. I'm bloody knackered. Husband is lovely however and has done lots of baby duties where possible to keep me sane. I even got out for a bike ride today to try to grab back my Endorphins. ... kind of worked. Need to call drs first thing tomorrow to see if we can diagnose Reflux or something as Robin is getting increasingly gurgly, vomity and writhes around in discomfort after most his feeds but not all. I've been really Tearful the last few days with tiredness and frustration over not getting in able to help him like I feel I should be able to.

In other news her did the most ridiculous shart today and there was pooh everywhere. Even got under his toenails! proud mummy!

Rollermum Mon 28-Oct-13 19:58:59

Hey Wibbly congratulations! Not beingavkrto put LO down sounds hard.

Fl0b0t has today been easier? Wow at poo under toenails!

LO been sleeping all day but when tried to get some sleep myself just now she woke up of course. Feeling emotional about it because DH not around next three nights. If I have bad nights worried I won't cope.

Frenchgin Tue 29-Oct-13 03:33:32

Hi Wibbly completely feel your pain! My lo is 8 weeks and will rarely allow us to put him down. I can't do anything that takes longer than a couple of minutes unless it can be done wearing a sling so cooking dinner is out of the question! The good news is past 2 nights we have managed to get him to sleep in his cot but I have been up past 3 hours tonight trying again! Coupled with him never sleeping more than 2 hours the sleep deprivation levels are high!!

Very jealous of some of the sleep patterns on here! Can I ask do you use a routine every night? I haven't managed to get into one yet & wonder if it will really help him sleep 5 hours like the books say or if I'm wishful thinking......

Rollermum Tue 29-Oct-13 04:22:39

Frenchgin no routine here, but I try to notice patterns end get sleep where I can around them. Eg DD normally has a big sleep from around 6/7pm for up to 5 hours, so try to go to bed. BUT she didn't today so I've just had a frustrating evening trying to put her down. I do go for a walk about 5pm everyday to have a fixed point, not sure if it helps or not.

Anyone else struggling to get LO back to sleep in the night and / or put them down? It's like night isn't really night. I shouldn't complain though - I can normally put her down just not tonight!

Rollermum Tue 29-Oct-13 04:25:30

Also I've been reading No Cry Sleep Solution (pre-empytively really as she too young). Prior to 4 months there doesn't seem to be much point in a routine but can guide them towards recognising difference betweb night and day by getting out in daylight, also put them down sleepy bit asleep (yeah right!), etc.

fl0b0t Tue 29-Oct-13 05:28:00

No real routine here! hard to have a bed time routine when he tends to cluster feed all evening!

Thankfully had s good night so far. Robin goes down better if I feed him wrapped in a blanket with a little bit under his head. Then when I transfer him to the mosses basket, he is earn and Smells like mummy so it's less distressing. Works on the whole unless he is having s fussy evening.

Rollermum- you'll be fine with dh away-sometimes it's nice to have space and quiet. Have you got visitors planed?

Gerty1002 Tue 29-Oct-13 08:28:02

We have a loose routine of bottle, bath, little rub down with oil, story and bed. Tends to work a treat and he sleeps for five hours, wakes up for a bottle and has another five hours. Saying that we missed out bath time last night as his bottle was quite late and he slept just as well. I think the routine is more for us at this point but don't think it's a bad habit to get into!

Gerty1002 Tue 29-Oct-13 08:31:54

'Us' is DP and I - should have specified!

Rollermum Tue 29-Oct-13 09:11:28

Fl0b0t thanks smile no, no visitors planned. Am just hunkering down to get through it. So tired already...

Gerty wow, envy! How old is your LO? Are you expressing or FF? And what time do you start your routine? Sorry for all the questions, just keen to hear what others are doing.

Wibblytummy Tue 29-Oct-13 14:22:25

Phew frenchgin I'm glad I'm not alone! How have you managed to start the cot sleeping? Still not able to put madam down for more than a few minutes at a time. She won't even settle in for a cuddle with DH which makes me feel awful as he is desperate to spend some time with her. He also is getting the hump at not being able to cuddle or be close to me!

The only relief I have is that the nights are not too bad (if I just let her sleep in the crook of my arm!) We don't really have a set routine but she has developed this for herself: She will cluster feed from half 7 to about 11pm. Then conk out in my arm until 2am. So I get a good chunk of sleep to help me cope with the 45min nap/feed rotation we have thereafter. She always seems ready to have a good old sleep at 7.30am/8am but then DS1 is up and jumping on the bed and she has no hope of snoozing till she is snuggled back in the sling.

Gerty1002 Tue 29-Oct-13 14:52:50

Rollermum DS is 7 weeks tomorrow and ff - unfortunately gave up breastfeeding after five days of blood, sweat and tears. Inverted, extremely sensitive nipples and a VERY hungry baby (he's on 8oz already!) were not a good combination. I still feel very sad about it but know it was the best decision for us.

I'm very lucky that he sleeps so well at night, and not so bad in the day, though most of the time he likes to fight it. He's a very advanced.baby according to the health visitor, he was proper smiling at four weeks and is so very strong - he now weighs 14lb8oz!

We start whenever he wants his evening bottle, usually somewhere between 6:30pm and 8:30pm. Of course it doesn't always go to plan but it's nice to have something to aim towards.

fl0b0t Tue 29-Oct-13 18:02:16

gerty wow nice big baby!
So we Finally had the ok night last night which was great but I've totslly over done it today and I feel stupid and tired and sore. Walked to buggy fit (new instructor) walked back, explosive baby vomit over everything, walled to bumps and babies group, walked back. .... and thankfully my bou is asleep still. Replaced sugars, got a hot water bottle, had a short nap and popped some paracetamol.

But worried as I feel flu-ey and got one sore Boob. .. fingers crossed he just needs a huge feed. Don't want to express and he will wake any second. .... fx is not a problem!

Gerty1002 Wed 30-Oct-13 02:52:17

fl0b0t fingers crossed it's nothing to worry about.

I think I'll get a shock whenever baby no. 2 comes along, we've been spoilt with how good DS is ... feeding him now after a 7 hour stretch and 6 hours sleep! Tremendous!

Batbear Wed 30-Oct-13 05:23:03

Sounds like we are all coping ok - Roller my DH works shifts including nights - when he's away at night I go to bed as early as humanly possible (when DS1 goes to sleep) so that I can make use of DS2's early nap. It is possible, just be kind to yourself!
fl0b0t - hope you are ok - it all sounded exhausting! I'm still not doing the groups I'd hoped to. Still not quite in a routine.

Sleep here is generally ok - usually up twice, much better than DS1! Although we have had some occasions where he is wide awake and gurgling and smiling at 2am - which is cute but I'd rather sleep and chat with him in the morning!
Next stop - jabs - all booked for Monday along with his check!

Lexilicious Wed 30-Oct-13 19:08:46

We've had a lovely day today... We are all at home this week, (DS on half term, DH is freelance/consulting/extended self-funded paternity leave so is at home almost all the time, and I am taking 6m maternity leave) and we started the day on a massive mission to clean the house in advance of my entire family coming this weekend for the double christening of our two. Got a pretty good job done between us on the kitchen and bathroom while baby had her morning nap (has become pretty reliable, about two hours from 9am). Then we noticed it was sunny so we headed out for a pub lunch and a visit to a local outdoor museum. She fed at the pub, then snoozed as we walked around in the crisp air, fed a bit in the tea rooms, snoozed on the drive home

Back home, she had some more boob and a bit of interacting with big brother, walking around in the crook of my arm as I unpacked the dishwasher etc etc., then I put her in the bouncy chair and got on with putting a pizza in the oven preparing dinner for me and DS, and shooing DH out of the door with a sandwich, he's off to a client meeting this evening. She seemed to like being occasionally tickled by DS and listening to me singing along with the radio. After a while I look over thinking you're going to get demanding just at the moment I want to eat aren't you... And she has settled herself into a snooze slumped to the side in the bouncer! We got through our salad and most of the pizza before she snuffled and wriggled enough for me to notice she wanted feeding again.

So it's going rather too well at the moment, between now and when DH gets back I am sure there will be some disaster, most likely a poosplosion as she hasn't done a #2 yet today... DS is being angelic, the worst he'll give me is toothbrushing refusal.

Flobot keep an eye on those symptoms, make sure you're massaging those boobs in the shower if you get the slightest hot or lumpy feeling.

fl0b0t Wed 30-Oct-13 22:35:30

I feel all in a tizzy! seems most people are getting more sleep than me! On a good night we are getting up to 7 hours in 2 to three hour bits. But we've only had one good night in the last seven and the rest of the time is more like three or four hours.

There seems to be so little pattern. Only guarantee is that if he is fed and changed he will sleep in the buggy or sling if I go for a walk.

Dr prescribed gaviscon for Reflux but I have since Googled baby's Green pooh and the Internet tells me his latch might be poor and hence he only gets foremilk and less hind milk this may lead to short and unsatisfying feeds, windiness and not sleeping well which all sound about right.

I think it's laziness in terms of how I hold him when feeding and I need to pay more attention!

Joskar Wed 30-Oct-13 23:52:27

10 Things I Have Learned About Babies

1) They are all different
2) What is true today is not necessarily true tomorrow
3) Sleep is precious but not essential
4) There are no answers nor are there reasons
5) Nothing "works" or at least not three times
6) There's no such thing as a "good" baby
7) There's no such thing as a "bad" baby
8) No one else is doing any better than you
9) Your baby is much more forgiving of you than you are
10) Your baby really is better looking than all the other babies

Keep the faith, ladies. This too shall pass. In the meantime there is cake.

cake cake cake

fl0b0t Thu 31-Oct-13 05:55:48

smile Cheers!

Batbear Thu 31-Oct-13 06:03:56

We had the most amazing poo explosion yesterday. DH and I took the 2 boys to the shopping centre as we needed a few things. Things had been going swimmingly and we'd had some lunch and changed nappies etc.

DS2 got a bit cross in M&S and wanted to be held so DH carried him and commented that he seemed to be a bit farty - as we were heading to the checkout I said I'd pay and then we could go and change him again.

There was no queue so whilst I was paying DH came over and asked for muslin - thinking he'd been sick I asked how bad it was "really bad" he said. I paid and followed him round the corner where I saw the baby with poo coming down his leg (he was in dungarees), DH had a lovely bright yellow patch on his trousers and as I watched a little blob landed on the floor!

DH was given the changing stuff and a new set of clothes and hurried up the escalator to the changing room. Dodging some grannies who were cooing over him.

I grabbed the pushchair, DS1 and wiped the floor before heading to the changing room to help. He was all being cleaned almost from head to toe!

Really revolting and totally hilarious for DS1 - I can't imaging where it all came from!

DH was amazing and when we emerged from the changing room with a changed baby - you'd have never guessed!

PurplePoppySeed Thu 31-Oct-13 08:33:28

Oh dear, I'm really behind again, will try and catch up today!

Anyone having weird growth rates? DD has only put on 2oz in 2 weeks! Dropping from 75th to 50th percentile. Should I worry? Seeing HV today!

Rollermum Thu 31-Oct-13 11:01:37

Fl0b0t sounds very familiar sleep pattern! Except for last night when she slept 5 then 4 hours! Difference was DH is away and we co slept. Such a difference, I think I need to think about doing it more, though I'd rather do it with a side car cot.

Joskar all v true! Espec no 2.

Batbear wow! DH sounds like he handled it with aplomb!

Purple Hope your HV can help. I think weight gain is not generally linear?

fl0b0t Thu 31-Oct-13 21:54:01

Phew glad it's not only me (in a nice way). Dh wad in the spare room last night and we did sleep a bit better...

Lexilicious Fri 01-Nov-13 09:47:52

Joskar, a possible #11... The day you notice a pattern has formed, and think about using the R word... That's the last day of that pattern.

fl0b0t Fri 01-Nov-13 11:45:22

I liked the quote "this is todays routine" :-)

Joskar Fri 01-Nov-13 19:28:05

Lexi we can certainly add that as 11. Is very, very true.

12) DP is not doing you a favour when he feeds/changes/winds LO. His child too!
13) Pee and poo can and will go everywhere at the most inconvenient times
14) Even if you have swathed yourself in muslins, the baby will find the one spot un-swathed to vom on or will deliberately pull the muslin off you and then vom.

PurplePoppySeed Fri 01-Nov-13 23:26:44

Thanks roller HV pretty much said the same - phew

Rollermum Sat 02-Nov-13 18:22:49

Glad they reassured you Purple

Joskar ahaha on the muslins

I need an intervention on reading baby books. I don't know why I do it to myself but am reading Three in the Bed and The Baby Whisperer at the same time. They are on opposite sides re co sleeping.

Hope everyone having good sleep filled weekends!

juniper9 Sat 02-Nov-13 23:11:28

I have totally shot myself in the foot with naming my DD. Everyone else can use their initial in conversation, but if I use I then it just seems like I can't write!

My I (see?) has been hard work these last few days. She's not unhappy, but she just does not want to sleep. I can rock her to sleep but as soon as I move her she screams. I can't figure out what's wrong. I suspect nothing is 'wrong' but it's very frustrating!

Rollermum Sun 03-Nov-13 15:15:59

Juniper I have an 'I' too smile

The Wonder Weeks is about developmental milestones at certain weeks which can cause crankiness and refusal to sleep - it could be that? There is one at 5 weeks though may vary by 2 weeks or so. Also one at 8-9 weeks. My DD was two weeks (& 3 days!) late so she is heading for that next one now - it goes on due date.

fl0b0t Sun 03-Nov-13 21:30:52

I can't get my head around all these theories. Surely if any of them worked then everyone would use it?

We have had some ok days and nights but today had been challenging. Dh had taken baby D downstairs in the sling after slight argument about the fact that he didn't need to ask my opinion on everything! I know nothing more than he does. I don't 'want'him to do anything other than not ask me questions all the time. I'm too exhausted to make decisions or have the energy to make decisions for him too. Whether it's regarding nappy changes or techniques to get him to sleep. If I am the one always having the ideas, I feel like any failure to sleep/catch the dirty nappy we should have changed is my fault too sad her does a great job and is a wonderful daddy so I feel awful arguing or complaining but we don't have a particularly easy baby and I do all I can to ensure dh gets enough sleep and gets time to himself Inbetween working very hard to keep us afloat. ....

PurplePoppySeed Mon 04-Nov-13 07:10:42

Fl0 I feel the same, we seem to discuss options on what to try next whenever she cries! The colic seems to have returned after a few days peace + i now know she has a sensitive tummy as she got stinky and runny after I had a fast food lunch. its like being back at square 1 as I don't feel I know when she's hungry/tired etc!

fl0b0t Mon 04-Nov-13 08:58:49

Yup- TRying to read the cues is impossible. I had a couple of days where he seemed really unhappy so I just put a boob in his mouth. It calmed him, but I spent hours that day being a human dummy and of course got nothing done...... :-S

PurplePoppySeed Mon 04-Nov-13 11:07:53

Think my days are better if I go out & tbh week days seem to be easier as I think she's less confused by us!

fl0b0t Tue 05-Nov-13 05:11:17

After 4 good nights tonight he hasn't actually slept.

fl0b0t Tue 05-Nov-13 05:11:43

After 4 good nights tonight he hasn't actually slept.

Lexilicious Tue 05-Nov-13 10:35:09

((hugs))

Batbear Thu 07-Nov-13 07:32:08

Hope everyone had some sleep last night. D has been doing well with my first ever 5 hour stretch the other night.

Sadly a close family member passed away v recently and his funeral was this week. D had to come along as there was no-one to look after him, but luckily he was the best behaved child ever. Slept through church and was very happy to be passed around for hours around the wake. Made us look like we had an easy baby!

Immunisations are today, so hoping he doesn't get grumpy later.

fl0b0t Thu 07-Nov-13 12:53:32

Sorry to hear that bstbear. Hope the jabs go well! Robin had his this week and he was fine. Sleepy afterwards and then a few hours later he screamed so we did one calpol and he was slepy after that too.

Sleeping is still pretty shit here. On our best nights we get midnight to half three. Then another feed at six Ish and then again about half seven. But these nights are few and far between. grumps

Batbear Sat 09-Nov-13 04:45:11

Jabs were ok, he was only crying for a minute and was fine yesterday. Sadly today from lunchtime he has been off colour and wanted holding the whole time or would scream.

DS1 is poorly though with a massive temperature, swollen glands and a sore tummy so it may be that D has got some of this coming too (god I hope not)

DH is on nightshifts at the moment so I'm in bed with DS1 and the cat. DS2 is lying on me refusing to go back to sleep.

Hope everyone else is fairing better tonight

fl0b0t Sat 09-Nov-13 05:52:18

Surely the cat makes everything better? x

Batbear Mon 11-Nov-13 07:44:25

Urgh- is there a 9 week growth spurt too?

D has been feeding all the time every 2 hours last night and every hour in the 4 hours before bed!

Hope you all had good weekends!

Joskar Mon 11-Nov-13 12:27:02

Not that I wish to boast or jinx it or anything but Martha went to sleep before 2 am for the FIRST TIME since we took her home.

I feel like a new woman!

Obviously she is still cluster feeding from 7-12 and she was up from 3 am til 5 am so it's not perfect but I feel like we might be getting somewhere.

Hope everyone else is having similar small victories!

Creamtea1 Mon 11-Nov-13 15:50:27

Batbear - my dd is 8 weeks and last 2 nights have had the same thing as you. Hourly or constant feeding from 5-9 and then sleep till 11ish then she's waking every 1.5 hrs for feeding. Was just wondering if there was an 8 week growth spurt!

fl0b0t Mon 11-Nov-13 22:30:07

joksar I swear we have matching babies! cluster feeding all evening and not going to bed to midnight or one. Robin started having an evening sleep ten until midnight the last few days.

Last night wasn't great, neither was today but he Finalky slept for 3hrs from six until nine so I made dinner and we watched poiroit!

fl0b0t Mon 11-Nov-13 22:32:01

Ps creamtea and batbear-Robins 6 week growth spurt lasted weeks 5 to 8!!

Creamtea1 Tue 12-Nov-13 14:17:08

Argh we've got injections this week too!

Joskar Tue 12-Nov-13 17:49:00

I boasted way too soon. Damn it all. Last night she was feeding 8 pm - 3.30 am then 5.30 for an hour then 8.30 am. Cluster feeding I can cope with but if only she would sleep between midnight and four. I might feel like I'd had some kind of night sleeping. Plus which it's fecking cold (minus temps already sad) and it's really hard to keep the fire in with a permanently sooking wee demon attached.

Can't complain though. At least she is feeding. I wouldn't go back to the breast refusal for love nor money! Unfortunately I don't think this is a spurt. I think this is just her. She's been at this carry on almost without cease for the last four weeks.

How do you cope with injections?

Creamtea1 Tue 12-Nov-13 20:43:24

I found with my other 2 that injections either are a complete non event and you wouldn't notice any difference, or all hell breaks loose..and all the calpol does is lull you into an immediate false sense of security in that you think, oh they're ok...and then the havoc just starts when the calpol wears off! either way am not looking forward to it. I had one of each re BF and FF - for the bf baby they will want to be even more permenantly attached (is that even possible?) and for the ff baby a dummy and permenantly cuddles will be needed.
And breathe...smile

fl0b0t Tue 12-Nov-13 21:11:58

Hope injections go well!
joksar that sounds so familiar. At best we were getting cluster feeding til midnight then a feed about three and then six (but often not going back down for 90 mins after 3 am feed). The last week has been more irregular though twice he has slept in the eveningtrather than cluster feeding, and two nights have been more like sleeping 10-12 then 1 to 3.30 then 4:30 to six Ish. Day Time is anyone's guess.

Jabs wise we were ok. .... he slept then woke up screaming 2hr later. We have him some calpol and he slept a bit more and was fine after x

PurplePoppySeed Thu 14-Nov-13 16:00:05

Injections here today too. She was ok at the time, just a little cry then back to sleep, but then wouldn't feed at all or sleep! She finally descended into the worst crying I've ever heard at 3ish but I've manage to feed her now and she's gone to sleep - hopefully it'll last?

Creamtea1 Thu 14-Nov-13 21:37:23

Purple - literally exactly the same happened here today! Seemed happier after waking around 6 from the sleep.

fl0b0t Fri 15-Nov-13 06:31:25

We had one or two days of being very subdued after injections-so hopefully it will all settle.

In terms of feeding and sleep a typical night for us goes:
-cluster feed on and off 7 pm to half eleven
-sleep to about three and when for a feed
-30 min Ish feed lying down in bed and doze
-put baby back in mosses basket about 4 am
-sleep to about half five and wake up for feed
-15 minute Ish feed, get grumbly and don't want to fall asleep.
-4 minute Ish feed on the other side and fall into fitful sleep
-put down around half six of we are lucky
-sleep to half seven at a push? ??

Some nights (a whole three so far), we manage to get Robin to sleep around half ten. In which case is the sane as above with an extra wake and feed at midnight.

I hope that makes you all feel better about the sleep you get! !

WaggyBlueElf Fri 15-Nov-13 20:35:48

Well, at nine weeks and two days old, my son has decided he will take the boob after all. He finally made the breakthrough at yet another breastfeeding appointment this morning. I haven't even been trying him on there that much (almost exclusively expressing for him) but he more or less did it straight away. I'm sure the counsellor woman (who was fab) thought I was exaggerating the difficulties he's had with it! Two more successful sessions at home as well. So why now? What's changed? I thought he'd have more difficulty now that he's well used to bottles and dummies. I have noticed he's been pulling tongues in the last week or so, which he wasn't previously, will that have anything to do with it? Confused but happy!

fl0b0t Sat 16-Nov-13 05:28:21

How wonderful waggy! Great news!
We are busy trying to get R to take a Bottle. ... less successful! Had a hv and a friend who is a midwife try to help. .. going to have to persevere!

WaggyBlueElf Sat 16-Nov-13 08:29:56

Which bottles have you tried? Despite being so used to bottles, M wouldn't take any of the nice Avent or Tommee Tippee teats we bought. I ended up having to ring the postnatal ward who'd given us the teats he was using to find some similar - and they're the 99p bottles from pound stretcher! He loves them. Worth a try if R's struggling? At least it won't cost you much if he still doesn't like them!

Batbear Sat 16-Nov-13 10:10:14

Great news Waggy!

D has taken to expressed bottles quite happily and has the odd dummy to help him to drop off too!

Creamtea1 Sat 16-Nov-13 12:09:58

A miracle has occurred...there was a sleep last night from 7.30pm to 3.00am !!!

fl0b0t Sat 16-Nov-13 23:58:22

Good call waggy.. not sure where our nearest pound stretcher is. .. tried Avent and medula calma, neither of which he likes.

WaggyBlueElf Sun 17-Nov-13 08:29:58

Think you can get them in other discount shops as well Fl0 - Poundland and B&M etc if you have any of those nearby.

Great news Creamtea! Was last night just as good?

Creamtea1 Sun 17-Nov-13 09:32:04

Hi waggy! Not quite as good last night - 7.30 till 1am, feed and back down till 4, then feed and change and get up at 7.
Disclaimer though - the nights she has done this longer first stretch she has pretty much fed constantly from 4pm onwards.
Maybe it's an after effect of the injections and it will be back to 2 hourly tonight!

WaggyBlueElf Sun 17-Nov-13 13:11:05

Let's hope not! M's a pretty good sleeper at the moment - for the last week he's been going from 11.30ish through to 7.30ish - he eats loads in the evening as well and even though he's now taking the boob, we give him another 75mls or so of expressed milk before bed to hopefully see him through. It won't last though, we're not that lucky...

WaggyBlueElf Mon 18-Nov-13 10:29:53

Well it seems I posted too soon...normal, up all night sevice resumed last night. He's catching up on his sleep now, I unfortunately have too much to do to be able to join him. Bring on the coffee... Hope everyone else had better nights.

Creamtea1 Mon 18-Nov-13 14:21:15

Hi waggy, sorry to hear you had a tiring night. I too thought I was doomed - she didn't settle at bedtime till 8.45 and then was up for feeding again at 11.30...and then 2am..but very strangely then slept till 7am! Has never done a long stretch at the morning end before, it's always been at the bedtime end.

PurplePoppySeed Mon 18-Nov-13 15:37:38

Hi all, after my last post I think it's fair to say DD still hasn't gone back to normal since the jabs! Friday she did a pea sized solid poo and was clearly in real constipation pain, her colic was hundreds of times worse and I haven't been able to put her down!

I ended up drinking prune juice and having a curry in the hope that my milk would have enough in to make her go, but the curry wasnt great for her wind either!

Since Thursday she's been miserable - all I can think is rota virus mucking up her gut?

PurplePoppySeed Mon 18-Nov-13 15:39:04

Ps we've also struggled to get DD onto a bottle, tried the one with my medial pump, Avent, tommy tippy, mothercare, dr browns & one that looks like a boob and still no joy!

PurplePoppySeed Mon 18-Nov-13 15:39:37

*medial!!! Stupid phone - *Medula

fl0b0t Mon 18-Nov-13 16:07:59

Bugger abut the bottle refusal For you too!
Sat Night after a party we had a miracle. He slept midnight to seven am! Back to normal now (or worse).... ah well!
Shame about the colic etc too. Seems like Robin had kind of grown out of his Reflux and colic issues but still doesn't sleep like other babies! good thing he is so wonderful!

Creamtea1 Mon 18-Nov-13 17:13:44

flo does he nap well during the day? That's the trade off I seem to have been given - reasonably ok at night (after 2 hours cluster feeding) but in the day she literally will not be put down - either feeding, sleeping on me, or on the playmat briefly. Pushchair is ok so long as we are moving briskly!
So if anyone has tips for getting baby to nap not on me, or staying asleep in pushchair once it has stopped moving then let me know smile

Batbear Tue 19-Nov-13 08:09:11

flo my DS1 was like this. (Although he was feeding every 2 hours at night too). I bought a soft fabric wrap thing to wear and he tucked in there happily and slept.
Meant I was hands free to do a few jobs.

I'm still up twice in the night - but am reasonably happy with that!

PurplePoppySeed Tue 19-Nov-13 11:21:38

Oh fl0 good news he's grown out of the colic, DD is only a week or so younger so fingers crossed she does too!
Cream tea - I had similar issues in the day, still have her morning nap on me (now), swingy chair wouldn't work & the mat lasts for 5 mins only with me sat next to her etc, then suddenly last week she seemed to let me leave her in her car seat, so I now keep that in the kitchen & she sits there while I make lunch + we've bought a bouncer and its magical! Must be the fabric back makes it so comfy they are happy!
Have to admit though the 8-week jabs put her back to being clingy, I hope she's improving a bit this week!

fl0b0t Tue 19-Nov-13 21:40:56

Robin has no routine really. On a Good day he will have a longish nap from twelve to three or later but no other naps during the day although I try to encourage him and some days he doesn't nap all. He can now entertain himself better in the play mat so isn't so clingy! !

Rollermum Wed 20-Nov-13 07:17:13

My LO has no discernible routine! She is sleeping longer at night but still feeding 2-3 times, but am co sleeping so its bit too bad. Whispers: she seems to be going back to sleep after night feeds now which is vast improvement! But she's got jabs later so am sure will all go out the window again.

I second the fabric sling to get them to nap, though she's sort of awkward in it the past week - need to figure a better way to tie it. Also waiting for her to be 5.5kgs so can use the Ergo sling.

Also love bouncy chair to put her down in. Will happily watch me cook / shower! Especially if I sing or dance. God hope not scarring her for life by dancing hut she seems to find it amusing!

Went to a baby massage class yesterday. She screamed through first part, then fed, slept and pooed on their towel. Of four babies only one leg was actually massaged! Not hers grin.

Rollermum Wed 20-Nov-13 07:17:55

They should read not too bad!

Peabody25 Wed 20-Nov-13 12:38:34

Is anyone getting into more of a routine during the day? I'm getting an idea of eating and sleeping times in the day, but wondering whether I should be doing more with him? He's a really contented little guy, 10 weeks tomorrow and happy sitting in his chair or lying in Moses basket when awake and just looking around and chatting to himself! Just wondering how much time I should be spending with him when he's awake or if he's contented, just to leave him? I'll chat an sing to him a lot, make faces, tickle him etc to get reactions but should I be reading, having tummy time etc every day? The things I do are at no specific times, just ad hoc! Does this sound like your day?

Creamtea1 Wed 20-Nov-13 13:15:05

Hi Peabody - no real routine in the day here, the only reliable bit is that I know she will go on the playmat for approx 20 mins first thing in morning after she has woken up. During this time she will be happy and then do a massive poo! After this she gets progressively grumpier throughout the day until bedtime smile
Like her dad then really!

Rollermum Wed 20-Nov-13 14:00:04

No routine at all - not with sleep or feeding!

I do a bit if tummy time with her for a long as she seems happy, which is getting longer. I also have some black and white picture books which she smiles at sometimes.

I know what you mean though, sometimes not sure what to do with her!

fl0b0t Thu 21-Nov-13 03:24:38

Ib think hangung out with your baby will suffice!

Two steps forward and one back here! R started doing 4 or 5 hr Stretches at night ..... but just did 11-2 and only just hit him back to sleep on me. .... 3.22 and not sure I dare put him down!

Also bought a swinging crib from eBay for fifteen quid including delivery today so hopefully we can start to move him out of the mosses basket which is to small for our long baby

Gerty1002 Thu 21-Nov-13 21:16:30

Peabody We have a bit of a loose routine but it is slightly shifting at the moment as (touch wood) he has started sleeping 10-12 hours at night without wanting a feed! He seems to be feeding a little more often in the day to account for this and so still squeezes five bottles in.

Generally we're up at about 5-6am at the moment, feeding every 3-3.5 hours, with approx 1.5 hours of awake/play time between naps. His naps (he has 3-4) tend to be between 45 and 90 mins, usually longer in the morning. We then have a bedtime routine of 6:30pm bath or wash and change, 7pm feed, story or song and asleep by 7:30-7:45pm. He's a very good sleeper and usually self settles if not already asleep after a song smile.

Of course all this is subject to change if he is grumpy, has trapped wind or is having a growth spurt! He does sometimes wake with a tummy pain in the night but will usually settle with his dummy. We're extremely lucky.

PurplePoppySeed Sat 23-Nov-13 02:56:55

Creamtea - my day is very similar, starts ok, can use play mat/ bouncy chair with toys, then gets progressively grumpier due to wind, by the evening she's still a nightmare at 9 weeks sad

Creamtea1 Sat 23-Nov-13 10:19:26

Snap purple - makes getting dinner ready for other dc and me/husband (not 'd' today as we've had words!) a baby carrying, one handed nightmare!
My dd is 9 weeks too. Also I've run out of breast pads so have got panty liners in my bra!!

PurplePoppySeed Mon 25-Nov-13 19:58:48

Hehe - I'm using washables! But have occasionally ended up with them all on the wash

fl0b0t Tue 26-Nov-13 04:30:58

Things seem to be settling here for now (week sure change again soon! ) much more relaxed during the day-we play, cuddle and feed. Some times he had a biggish nap and sometines not. Nights are getting better on the whole! Phew!

Littlecurrentbun Tue 26-Nov-13 23:31:46

Hello, I had my first baby in mid September so would love to join the thread. He is doing well. Gets quite a bit of wind but is a good baby. I joined a mother and baby group and go walking nearly everyday.

He woke every two to three hours but miraculously slept until oz the past two nights. He that will be a habit he will keep!

Littlecurrentbun Tue 26-Nov-13 23:32:07

6am

Rollermum Wed 27-Nov-13 10:41:45

Hi Littlecurrantbun congrats on your baby.

I'm envious of the sleep some of you are getting! DD is generally sleeping a bit longer - sometimes 4.5 hours a stretch at night but generally more like 3, sometimes 2. But she is generally going back to sleep so that's an improvement!

Jabs threw her out a but but seems fine now.

Have been going to a baby massage class which she loves - recommend trying it!

fl0b0t Thu 28-Nov-13 18:39:22

Also doing baby massage smile
Hoping go to bounce and rhyme tomorrow at the librarytoo .

PurplePoppySeed Fri 29-Nov-13 07:36:15

Roller, I'm feeling the same, so many ppl having good nights and DD is the same as always! Which seemed good at the beginning, but not great now!

Rollermum Fri 29-Nov-13 10:12:35

I spoke too soon! She just didn't want to sleepily of yesterday, including last night. Just fed loads. Day before she slept loads, fed very little!

Fl0b0t be interested to hear how bounce and rhyme time go - I've been wondering about going to something similar but thought DD might be too young.

fl0b0t Fri 29-Nov-13 18:08:05

It was ok because he was in a good mood! lady running it was a bit loopy and it was better for older kids. But still ok. Good for learning rhymes and it's free. Don't think I'll go too often!

redandyellowandpinkandgreen Sun 01-Dec-13 15:58:23

Facebook suspended my account and I've had to set up a new one, how can I get back on the group?

jennimoo Sun 01-Dec-13 17:14:35

Inbox me your email smile

Batbear Tue 03-Dec-13 17:34:32

Ooh can I join the FB group too!! Thanks

Rollermum Wed 04-Dec-13 11:06:48

Can I as well? What do I need to do?

DaisySteinersChickenStew Wed 04-Dec-13 13:51:12

Ooo...me too if I may?

Peabody25 Thu 05-Dec-13 14:02:20

Me too please!

jennimoo Thu 05-Dec-13 14:19:35

If anyone would like to join the FB group please inbox me your real name and FB email address. I can then invite you and authorise you.
I warn you there's lots of posts!

FastWindow Thu 05-Dec-13 16:39:05

roller hi!

You've just done me a huge favour... By mentioning jabs, I checked when dds were due... Three weeks ago. Yes that's right she is having her 8week jabs when she will be 11weeks. I am angry to say the least, especially as she has had croup for a week. Anyone know if it could be due to not having first jabs?

Rollermum Thu 05-Dec-13 20:47:07

Oh no FastWindow! They're meant to send you a letter? I don't have the jab leaflet to hand but NHS site says it is diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, HIB (bacterial thing) and separate rotavirus. Not sure what croup actually is though?

FastWindow Thu 05-Dec-13 23:20:43

roller it's a vicious cough, viral. Can be very bad as they can't catch their breath and have stridor (wheezing on inbreath) however, she isn't that bad. Not the point though. I'm still so angry.

Apparently the surgery nurse has taken it upon herself to do the letters as Slough are passing it all over to Reading . Fail...

fl0b0t Fri 06-Dec-13 10:54:36

Ah fastwidowyou're near me! I'm Bracknell! Hope you get your hands sorted

FastWindow Fri 06-Dec-13 11:02:20

Snap fl0b0t. Hands...? grin she's having then on Monday. I presume that we will also have to postpone the 12week jabs, or they will only be a week apart.

fl0b0t Fri 06-Dec-13 11:05:09

Jabs!

Rollermum Fri 06-Dec-13 14:47:11

Oh your poor DD, sounds awful. That is really bad, and I imagine you're right re the spacing of the jabs. They have to be well when they have I think, so hope that doesn't delay it longer.

My DD is really clingy today and feeding every two hours. I thought the growth spurt was last week - that was every 1.5 hrs so a bit better! Would be the day I need to clean for guests this weekend...

Batbear Fri 06-Dec-13 17:31:18

Had our 12 week jabs here yesterday (at 13 weeks) he had slept and slept since (and therefore been crazy hungry when he wakes).
Hope you are sorted soon fastwindow with DS1 the letter didn't go out about the 12 month vaccination so he was 3 months later after I spoke to a friend and called the doc

FastWindow Fri 06-Dec-13 20:08:41

Thanks batbear and roller. She's fine now, just a normal cough. Never though I'd be pleased to hear one.

So, this thread is about sharing new baby stuff... I have one! Dd now cries properly. But she only gets tears out of her left eye, I guess the right eye will catch up soon. She's 10+5.

Rollermum Fri 06-Dec-13 22:05:36

FastWindow - DD only has tears in her left eye too! I assumed it was because that eyes gets a bit sticky, but maybe not.

FastWindow Sun 08-Dec-13 21:52:14

Hi all. Just a quick one to report tears from both eyes now. Apparently, the room service is too slow. grin

Batbear Mon 09-Dec-13 14:11:00

grin love that FastWindow! We get tears and squealing with being hungry.

FastWindow Mon 09-Dec-13 19:17:02

Jabs are done.

Not sure I made my point very well about the lack of notification. The nurse actually said lots of other people had the same problem but failed to see that it was her fault. Might have to put pen to paper.

She also asked us our names, then mispronounced mine and made up a new one for dh. I've been calling him it all day.

Batbear Mon 09-Dec-13 20:34:45

Fastwindow - she sounds brilliant hmm

At least the jabs are done. How is DD now? Did she need to practice her tears?

FastWindow Mon 09-Dec-13 22:45:49

Hi bat

Honestly, I didn't know what to say. Dh had to leave the surgery before I was finished wrapping Dd back up, to get ds from preschool. I really wish I'd said 'see you at home <realname>' but I don't think she would have noticed or cared.

She also said she could not understand why parents got upset when their lo cried, because in her opinion the vaccination was something that absolutely should be done and you were protecting them etc. Clearly she doesn't have children of she can't understand that otherwise rational people get upset when pain is inflicted upon their lo, no matter the reason why.

But Dd had a brief wail and was fine. I've been overdoing it a bit with the ear thermometer but she hasn't developed a temperature... Yet....

FastWindow Mon 09-Dec-13 22:55:04

I've nearly rtft now and I thought I would share something that might help a couple of posters way back in page eight or so.

There was a poster/so talking about cosleeping and worried about squashing babies and getting no sleep themselves.

I mix feed but mostly bf. I remember with ds the he'll of getting up to night feed, bring terrified of dropping him in my zombie trance, difficulties with putting him back in the cot etc.

So with Dd I decided to cosleep from the get go, and as I have a watered, cosleeping is extra difficult as you roll in together.
So I put her on this memory foam contoured pillow. It has two rolls, and a groove down the middle where your head goes, your neck is supported by the raised bit. It's ideal for Dd (until she can roll independently anyway) as she is right next to me but totally safe, and very comfortable to boot.

I think it came from Marks.

If anyone wants a link or a picture pm and let me know!!

FastWindow Mon 09-Dec-13 22:57:08

WaterBED arghh.

PurplePoppySeed Thu 12-Dec-13 21:52:41

12 week jabs here today too, just catching up about notice and I my case it was the HV that told me I'd need to book the jabs myself at the surgery - maybe your nurse thought the HV would tell you too?

PurplePoppySeed Thu 12-Dec-13 21:53:10

Ps so far so good /gingerly finding wood to touch

fl0b0t Fri 13-Dec-13 20:57:43

Jabs last week were horribleand led to no sleep at all. .. then when I was losing the will, getting really tired and tearful studdenly he slept through two nights. Back to normal now. .. down at eleven Ish then waking at 1, 3, 4,6 ... evening he has been pretty dozy after a very grumpy day. . . So maybe he is learning about sleeping in the evenings? Who knows!
I went back on the depo injection this week so no more babies for me for a while (insert 'small prick'joke here!!) And not so subtley managed to hint about dinner kind of eternity ring and we went shopping on Thursday :-) so all dandy. Who needs sleep? ?!!

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