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November 2012 - The first fearless steps and the rest of us hoping our babies remain stationary for a bit longer

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StuntNun Sat 07-Sep-13 08:25:10
StuntNun Sat 07-Sep-13 08:26:20

DS1 walked at 15 months, DS2 at nine months. J will be somewhere in the middle I think.

fruitpastilles Sat 07-Sep-13 09:08:24

Thanks for the new thread stunt

S can stand unaided for about 5 seconds occasionally, I don't think she's in any hurry to walk, I'm glad, keeping up with her while she's crawling is hard enough!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 07-Sep-13 09:11:28

DD1 was 15 months. I think LO might be a little earlier as she is so determined to follow her sister around. I would like it to be later rather than sooner.

Brockle Sat 07-Sep-13 09:16:56

ds1 walked at 11 months and ds2 at 10 months. I reckon Y will be closer to ds1. hope you have loads of rest today chasing

PurplePidjin Sat 07-Sep-13 09:24:08

R is constantly on his feet but needs something to hold on to. He hasn't got the hang of his push along walker yet hmm

C pushes his walker faster than his legs will carry him and ends up falling forwards. He hasn't got the hang of his sit in walker either and only moves backwards in it. Doh!

Pikz Sat 07-Sep-13 10:46:57

He's trying desperately and using everything as a walker. But he doesn't have enough balance yet.

PurplePidjin Sat 07-Sep-13 12:04:39

I haven't got a sit in walker as not much room, but he cruises around everything! Loves my parents' wrought iron kitchen table then has to be rescued from under the squiggly bits grin

ChasingDaisy Sat 07-Sep-13 17:14:34

I don't even have a crawler yet....feeling quite smug grin

PurplePidjin Sat 07-Sep-13 18:25:21

R's got so chilled out since he's been able to do things independently that it's worth it. But then, he's not into everything and can be left while i pee... For now...

Lily311 Sat 07-Sep-13 18:27:55

O walks around holding onto my fingers. She can't stand on her own. Hope it will last. I'm not ready yet.

pp good luck with interviews.

Donnadoon Sat 07-Sep-13 18:30:47

All mine walked within a week of their 1st birthday, reckon little miss will be the same.

ChasingDaisy Sat 07-Sep-13 18:45:16

Damnit, I wanted to finish the thread winkgrin

Yay, Oscar is in bed! Strictly and Brendan Cole here I come. Swoon.

Passmethecrisps Sat 07-Sep-13 18:46:38

Evening ladies.

Good luck with the interviews pp

How was the duvet afternoon chasing?

P cruises furniture very confidently and is happy one handed. She did aim a step or so towards me earlier. I would give her another month.

Can I share an image from my day with you?

DH in the hallway. Stark bollock naked and hairy. One foot on his drill bit box, staring seriously down the blade of a saw. All while p wearing just a nappy is bouncing around and grinning while clinging onto his legs.

It was like a fucked up Athena poster!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 07-Sep-13 18:52:32

Pass grin

We just had a hot air balloon land in the field at the bottom of the street. They came down low enough over the house opposite that we could wave and call to the people in it. DD1, with her current obsession with planes and helicopters, was over the freaking moon. LO waved and squealed too.

YellowWellies Sat 07-Sep-13 19:01:40

Pass that's fucking brilliant! grin

MM hope you're feeling better and have a great night tonight. Is Aulay dog able to go out next week?

We've had a great day at IKEA getting baby proofing bits. He's got so many bruises on his head from exploring I'm surprised SS aren't knocking at our door blush . Then went round some naice shops in Edinburgh New Town antiquing.

Jonas stands and walks in his walker, pulls up onto his knees against everything and can stand and step if I hold his hands but he's thrilled at finally crawling so I'd be really surprised if he walks before 15 months to be honest!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 07-Sep-13 19:03:57

So, the other day as I was about to chicken out of going go to my aneasthetists appointment DH sat on the bed and it collapsed. We took it apart and I was going to hoover when it felt like something flew into my eye. Put saline drops in it but it felt worse.

After a while went and looked and my eye ball was swollen on one side - like a clear lump of pus, as if I had a wandering contact lense (sorry, TMI, look away now if you are squeamish about eyes).

Googled my nearest opthamologist, who is just over the border, phoned them and they told me to go in immediately. Nothingnto do with dust in eye, complete coincidence, and it is an edema. Except I didn't understand the explanations - he didn.t speak much French.

I am now putting drops in every two hours I am awake and at night I have to put cream in it. Onto the actual eyeball. He merrily annouced I was showing signs of early stages of glaucoma (my mum and granny have it too so not much of a surprise).

Anyway the cream blinds my eye so has to be done at bedtime, but I sleep so little it is still blind when I wake up... hmm

I have to go back on Monday evening to see how it is going. It hurts less now which is good, just feels like it has sand in it.

Upshot is we have a lovely new bed with underbed drawers. I love it.

And that kind of nightmare is pretty representative of the last few weeks, but will update more later.

Passmethecrisps Sat 07-Sep-13 19:09:44

Oh fuck me ginger. That sounds horrific.

Kyz Sat 07-Sep-13 19:12:54

Marking place! Have rest of last Fred to catch up on and this one too

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 07-Sep-13 19:13:49

Yep, it is a fucking pisstake. I feel like karma is biting me on the arse the last couple of years healthwise for my various past crimes. Anyway I have chickened out of my gastro exams over te next few weeks. Rang hospital and told them: You can't do that, she said. Watch me, I replied. I am not well enough for a voluntary GA at the moment. It's not urgent.

Watching a documentary about Josephine Baker - wow she was incredible. Well worth reading about, what a woman.

Pikz Sat 07-Sep-13 19:15:12

Checking in with a hysterical baby. Have a feeling am going to be up most of night.

I feel like shite warmed up to the point I pos just to check.

Ginger that is terrible sad big hugs

Kyz Sat 07-Sep-13 19:33:51

Evening everybuddy!

You sound very busy at work bplp

Hope you enjoy yourself madame

chasing hope you've had a nice chilled day today, sounds like you've needed it bless you. I have found myself shouting at e sometimes especially now he is into everything and nothing is sacred. He pulls himself up on absolutely everything and falls down and then hurts himself/is upset.

evil sounds lied you had a lovely time at the aquarium!

stunt thank you for the new Fred, I think you are handling the situation brilliantly fwiw

I've never seen strictly...

Walking... E stands up without holding anything for up to a minute at a time roughly, and today walked the length of the lounge with his vtech walker. He goes round furniture quite well but drops to crawl if its quite a way. I have no idea when he will walk but am wondering if it'll mean he stops hurting himself so bloody often??

pp good luck with the interviews

Lol brilliant pass!!!

Gosh pr that sounds awful! I am trying so hard to get used to your name change honest!

Righty everyone.... I'm wanting a new pushchair... I'd like a 3 wheely good for everything can cope with long/heavy child type thing.... Any recommendations? Thank you in advance! I only have an umbrella buggy now and am looking for something else that I can use everywhere and anywhere

Donnadoon Sat 07-Sep-13 19:46:49

kyz I can recommend my zia 2 it was £130 including rain over and footmuff, very sturdy, had from birth and suitable until right up to walking age and not needing a pushchair anymore. Shame that I'm now looking for double buggy s grin

ChasingDaisy Sat 07-Sep-13 19:49:37

I ended up not needing the duvet day in the end. After I dropped O off I went for a coffee and a mooch around Tesco. I bought me and Oscar some clothes and a little gift for non date guy to thank you for being an awesome friend. Not sure when I last updated about him, but I saw him last night. I've told him loads about me and vice versa- he knows all of my crazy confused grin There's a really brilliant connection there and he is lovely. We both aren't in quite the right place for a relationship at the moment but he is quickly becoming an awesome friend smile

ChasingDaisy Sat 07-Sep-13 19:53:20

QQ. Are people still having their pushchairs parent facing?

Passmethecrisps Sat 07-Sep-13 20:05:35

Sounds lovely chasing

Still parent facing here.

TheDetective Sat 07-Sep-13 20:09:33

HAHAHA Pass that's the kind of shit that goes down in our house. I am never brave enough to post it though! Maybe I will next time! grin

Beer (I wanted to call you Beer...mmmkay?!) fuck. Sounds not good. And a big fucking coincidence. However, new bed, awesome. I love a new bed.

Chasing O is rarely parent facing. I switch him occasionally, but he's a 'show me the motherfucking worllllllllllllllllllld' kinda baby. No surprise there then?! He gets bored parent facing. Shouts til I switch him round. I think he wishes he had a 360 degree swivel head!

Kyz I loved my mothercare 3 wheeler with DS1 it was one of my favourite prams. Very bulky though. But ace to push. Like a dream. They still do them I believe. Oh, and I reckon E will be walking any day by the sounds of it. That was where O was when he just took off!

Walking. O could be a little less smug about it hmm. That is all I have to say!

I have decided I will let him climb the stairs twice a day. In the hope that is satisfies his climbing urges. hmm

Today in 5 words. Climb, whinge, drool, snot, strop.

I have less hair.

fruitpastilles Sat 07-Sep-13 20:13:05

S is still parent facing..... until tomorrow when my new pushchair comes.

kyz I can recommend the baby jogger city mini, I've got the normal 3 wheel version but I really want the GT version.

chasing I have the Oyster parent facing still but my BJCM faces out and M loves it

TheDetective Sat 07-Sep-13 20:14:01

DP wants another baby. He suddenly said to me, 'fuck, he's really growing up quickly'. He looked sad. He wants to do it all over again.

I may use this to my advantage. And tell him we can have another if he does ALL night feeds. grin

TBH, I'd like to have another sooner but financial wise we need to save up - I am NOT doing only 6 months of mat leave again. It was horrific. I want 9 months. So we need to save up 5K minimum. sad

And the thought of hyperemesis with a baby like O to look after. Or any baby really. No ta. grin

fruitpastilles Sat 07-Sep-13 20:17:19

fatima that's what I have coming tomorrow, the gt version, I'm so excited sad cow

fruitpastilles Sat 07-Sep-13 20:19:42

det my dp said the same today, about her growing up quickly, not about another. He works so much so really misses out, he's not doing overtime this weekend so has been here with us all day and couldn't believe the changes in her. Makes me a bit sad that he misses so much.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 07-Sep-13 20:23:12

We have an umbrella buggy so forward facing. I use the parent facing big truck to take her into the garen and to block off the hallway. On dog walks we have a carrier on the chest. I'd put a picture up but it pushes my already huge knockers down and is vvv unflattering. So the odd rambler and horse rider, boar and deer are the only ones to see that.

ChasingDaisy Sat 07-Sep-13 20:28:04

I do love my Sola but I think I may have to invest in a more lightweight umbrella buggy at some point. Perhaps the Luna, but I'm not sure if that comes in any colour other than pink...

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 07-Sep-13 20:32:34

The nights are drawing in so dd1 is up most evenings to chat with the hedgehogs nesting in our woodpile. She loves them.

Passmethecrisps Sat 07-Sep-13 20:42:20

We will need to get an umbrella for our hols. Nice is pretty hilly though so not sure what to do for the best

Passmethecrisps Sat 07-Sep-13 20:42:45

I want a woodpile with hedgehogs in.

Passmethecrisps Sat 07-Sep-13 20:43:07

Love hedgehogs. They are full of awesome.

I know fruit I'm v jealous grin
I'm really tempted by one but seeing as I already have a BJCM it's a bit of a waste of money. I'm going to look at the Versa GT in place of the Oyster and then reason with DH that it'd DC2 if we have one wink

chasing they do a green Luna I think but I don't think it's umbrella, I think it folds in half but not certain.

fruitpastilles Sat 07-Sep-13 20:56:09

Ha that's what I told dp, I said we can use it for number 2, he actually believed me grin

Ha ha, that's what I was thinking. If I got a BJCM GT then I'd use it with a carrycot from birth

fruitpastilles Sat 07-Sep-13 21:05:40

To be fair though, if it's as good and long lasting as I think it's going to be, I'd have no qualms using it for dc2

Evilwater Sat 07-Sep-13 21:13:06

Hello all,
chasing great to hear you had a good day.
N is facing the world in his a pram.

To sum up today, two words:
Attachment theory sad aka separation anxiety.
So he's just wants to be around me, and just me. Normally he's happy with my family, but no not today. Everyone is a stranger, but me sad as soon as I went out of a room he screamed and cried till I came back. And I mean every time.

So what should I do?

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 07-Sep-13 21:18:53

evil just sit it out, act as normal, leave when you have to but always tell him you love him and when you'll be back. Good practise for later. At the nursery they always remind us to say goodbye and that we will be back in an hour, two, four, etc. The French work on the theory that babies understand anything and everything from almost newborn. I don't quite believe that but think they do understand so much more than we think, that making and keeping promises even now, and explaining things, is good practice.

YellowWellies Sat 07-Sep-13 21:19:08

Still parent facing here until Monday when my nipper 360 arrives! Whoop di doop! Kyz the nipper / outnabout 360 is an amazing all action push chair 3 wheeler off road job. Currently £165 and free delivery and rain cover from Oxford pram centre online.

DH is just fitting a stair gate to keep Jonas out of the kitchen / off the kitchen step. Man he's going to be a pissed off bear at breakfast!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 07-Sep-13 21:20:30

Oh, and that they have to get used to us not being there all the time. But as long as they know we're coming back it won't hurt anyone.

Evilwater Sat 07-Sep-13 21:23:26

Thanks ginger it's so difficult to know what to do. He's very distressed, and it's up setting.


YellowWellies Sat 07-Sep-13 21:26:18

Evil lots of hugs, reassurance and keep him close - build up his confidence and his already secure attachment to you and he'll be ready to take on the world in a few weeks. Separation anxiety is a good sign - it means they're strongly attached to you - babies who don't bat an eyelid when their Mum's leave are much more troubling to psychologists. Pushing them away to toughen up as they recommended in the olden days makes separation anxiety much worse so just lots of love and cuddles. What a wee sweetheart he is smile .

MsJupiterJones Sat 07-Sep-13 21:29:05

Hello new thread.

We're still in Ireland, making the journey back tomorrow. Hope it goes as smoothly as the outward one. It's been a nice week with the in-laws, I am very lucky despite possibly complaining about them on the recent IL thread .

L has come on in leaps and bounds this week, so many people to chatter to that he is making lots of new noises and sounds, he's also learnt to clap (from seeing sea lions at the zoo). He is much more confident on his feet and cruises from surface to surface, pulling himself up on everything (particularly radiators confused). He's gobbled down MIL's food which has pleased her! He also seems to find me really funny and we have had some hysterical times. So a very good week.

Not so good is he has a nasty cough and cold so is streaming and waking himself up with coughing. He's a bit clingy and fractious but doing well considering.

Look forward to catching up properly when I'm back. Hope quichelings are behaving! xx

Evilwater Sat 07-Sep-13 21:33:16

It's nice to know I'm doing things right yellow hopefully ill put some pics up soon.

YellowWellies Sat 07-Sep-13 21:57:31

Hurrah elderly fat cat can haul ass over the kitchen stair gate - here's hoping pup and bear will be trapped grin

TheDetective Sat 07-Sep-13 22:02:38

sad O isn't fussed when I go. He's always happy to see me when I come back though.

But I can leave the room fine.

He is fine with strangers.

I've fucked this up. sad

Bryzoan Sat 07-Sep-13 22:05:25

Chasing - I am even more pleased to know you are getting a lovely friend than a possible relationship. Glad you had a good day today in the end. X

Stunt - hugs

Peaches - awesome to have you back. Sorry to hear you've been having a tough time.

Dh and I watched strictly. I thought rod Stewart was surprisingly good. I have added him to my "fantasy strictly" celebs line up. So far I have:

Rod Stewart
Robbie Williams
David cameron
Mr bloom, and
Anyone from rhyme rocket

That doesn't look so great written down. I am not deeply impressed with ashley whatsisface from Hollypaks taking part when his baby is about due. How to miss spending time with your newborn and make your partner feel rubbish all in one go. Nice.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 07-Sep-13 22:08:37

You're doing the right thing evil . You're back at work so the separation thing has to be got through but he will be fine.

DD1 never went through the separation anxiety thing but because she was used to being looked after by others for the first three months of her life, as I was so ill, it was to be expected. We're fairly close now, when it suits her grin

So. Nursery. DD1 has been fairly easy. I've been building her up to going, and she really needed the social aspect and the discipline. Over two weeks she went in every day from 30 minutes to 6 hours and is reasy to go full time on Monday. Whoop. She nap dodges there too, much to their dispair, but apart from a few incidents where she tried to nick other girls's hairclips she has settled in verywell.

LO has found it much harder. She did 90 minutes on Friday and will go up to 6 hours by the end of next week. Hysteria to the point of fainting the first couple of days (10 and 15 minutes) but, although she is stillcrying most of the time she has started to build a relationship with her key worker, ie turns towards her now when she is upset, rather than away from her.
It's hard, and DH has had to take next week off too (his sudden unpaid leave request was accepted with no quibble, funny that) as I am on sick leave and have to stay in most of the time.

But the nursery workers are good, I trust them 100%. They don't have to suck up to us as the places are so oversubscribed, so can afford to be honest about how things are going. They are being so lovely with LO in particular as she is finding it so hard. They have assigned her a much older woman as her key worker as they know she doesn't have a nearby granny. I thought that was a very sweet detail to have thought about.

They have decided not to try and make her nap in the dormitory til she is ready and will put her in a bouncer, swing or pram as they see fit to ensure she does get rest.

The facilities are fab. A garden which is in part tended by the big kids, so dd1's group. A swimming pool room which is more like a giant bath for water play, but filled with polysterene balls in Winter. A huge big games room which is a soft play area. And then the three main rooms for the age groups. There is also a 'classroom' for quiet activities for the bigger children, dormitories for each age group, and a huge wooden veranda which runs right round the building, which is open for the kids to run or crawl free as long as it doesn't rain or snow ( though there is a fence to stop the toddlers from running ocer the babies).

You know what? If there weren't so many small people there I would like to go there for daycare myself!!!

The menu for September is great. A raw veg starter; meat or fish; cooked veg; a cheese course then fruit or pudding. It is far better than the leftovers or pasta I fed them at lunch. On Friday DD1 ate coleslaw, cod in a tomato sauce with green beans, brie and fruit salad.

OK. So that's nursery summarised. I'll talk about me on FB. Tomorrow maybe.

Bryzoan Sat 07-Sep-13 22:10:08

Det g is mostly happy with anyone too. He is also always delighted to see me, and very secure. You haven't fucked it up. They are all just different.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 07-Sep-13 22:13:04

bry Mr Bloom would be great, but paired up with Mr Tumble.

Detective you've done nothing wrong. He's self confident, not indifferent. Oh, I popped a very little something in the post for you yesterday. Something I can't use but I hope you will. Nothing exciting, just a book.

Thanks for the welcomebacks grin

Brockle Sat 07-Sep-13 22:21:30

bry Chris and Poi from show me show me should be on the list.

det you have a happy confident little boy who is secure and clever cos he knows you will be back. Sep anxiety doesn't affect all babies. Y smiles when I leave and smiles biggest when I come back. he doesn't like me leaving the room when I am in but I can live with that. smile smile

PurplePidjin Sat 07-Sep-13 22:21:49

R isn't fussed when i leave unless he wants milk or a nappy sad

He has never been parent facing in a buggy. My mum's friend passed on a buggy for me so my mum didn't bother buying me a nice one. It's total shit and everything i didn't want - ff, tiny rattly wheels, horrible lime green, no way to attach a car seat or any kind of nice enclosed pram bit. He was 8 mo before he'd tolerate being in it for more than 5 minutes sad

I hate being poor

YellowWellies Sat 07-Sep-13 22:21:54

Det it might not have hit yet or might have hit aaaages ago for Oscar as he was such an early mover. Separation anxiety seems to be linked to independent movement - perhaps a fear of getting lost from caregivers when they can crawl makes sense evolutionarily speaking? I remember you mentioning a period that O was really clingy and whingy. That was probably it but given he's a boy in a hurry it was aaaages ago. Jonas' has just kicked in this last week he's been proper crawling. I'm trying to be flattered.

horseylady Sat 07-Sep-13 22:26:01

Hi ginger

We have seperstion issues here a bit. Getting slowly better.

I'm feeling awful though. I'm working so much it's fucking crazy. I've hardly seen him the last couple of days sad yesterday I worked730am to 10.30pm then today 8-6 sad I'm competing tomorrow so will be out for ages too sad I might take half a day Monday or Tuesday to just sit and cuddle him.

Dh ultra broody. I am very much not. I feel like my life is just stupid and another baby would just not be good. I've told him not to mention it for at least 6 months.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 07-Sep-13 22:49:32

Tired mummy pig.
Super snotty poorly little pig


GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 07-Sep-13 22:58:37

sad (((hugs))) in direction of the pigsty.

(((Hugs))) pidg

Does anyone ever want to comment on a friends/family members FB status and tell it like it is. Someone's irking me at the moment and I really want to write "FFS you're a twat! Face up to your responsibilities and realise how easy you've got it. Stop fucking moaning. Oh and stop writing about eastenders/x factor/your neighbours dogs rabbit and get a life"
And breathe grin

Oh and can I have another internal scream at MIL and bloody purées again? God knows how many times we've said M doesn't have puree, she just eats what we eat. She tried to give her a shepherds pie pouch when she had M this week. M refused to eat it. MIL tasted it and said it doesn't taste very nice. MILs friend said "why not just blend up some normal shepherds pie". confused
Both DH and I looked like confusedangry and said again she doesn't eat purées, she eats the same as us, why would it need blending etc etc
Why is she so desperate to feed her bloody purée, she didn't eat them at 6 months so why the frig would she be suddenly having them now nearly 4 months later.
Arghh feels better to get that off my chest, MIL is lovely really smile

Kirrin Sun 08-Sep-13 00:20:49

stunt sounds like you're handling things well.

chasing glad you had a good day. That break must do you the world of good.

Good luck with the jobs pidj

Your poor eye peaches Hope its not giving you too much grief.
That nursery sounds fab. LO will settle soon enough. Lucky your DPs work are understanding ;)

You haven't done anything wrong * detective* I reckon YW is spot on.

I had a shit day sad Crap mum of the year award goes to me. I undid N's buggy straps and then got distracted by DD1 - literally for a second but long enough for N to lean forwards and fall out shock sad She's fine but I feel completely shit. It keeps replaying in my head. Add another screechy moment at DD1 this evening and I'm starting wonder if this parenting thing is really for me - I'm really not good at it.

Bryzoan Sun 08-Sep-13 01:38:46

Kirrin - sorry you've had a bad day. Don't beat yourself up though. All of us have at the very least had near misses on accidents. You aren't a crap mum. You always sound like a great mum to me when I read your posts:

Horsey that sounds really hard. Hope things ease up soon.

Hugs and hankies to the pigsty, and hugs to pidj too - hope your interviews go well.

Sorry about your eye peaches and also that lo is struggling to settle. Hope next week is better for you both.

Mr tumble and chris and poi would definitely be on dd's fantasy strictly list. She would happily watch a documentary about the royal family if they were in it.

wellieboots Sun 08-Sep-13 04:02:33

Marking place and resolves to post more than once on this thread. I thought we had a walker here, DD. took a couple of steps on Monday but now we're back to holding fingers again. Oh well, I'm not in a hurry!Good to see you back peaches. Hugs to stunt chasing and anyone else who needs them.

GTbaby Sun 08-Sep-13 06:02:23

Wtf why am I awake? Can't get bk to sleep confused betting on snoozing 5mins before lo wakes. confused

Off to catch up on thread.

ChasingDaisy Sun 08-Sep-13 07:09:58

He's been awake an hour and I'm already sick of the whinging. It's constant from the moment he wakes up. Apart from when he's with anyone else of course. Plus it is Sunday and I hate Sunday's. They're family days.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 08-Sep-13 07:24:32

ginge that sounds Rough about your eye, but nursery sounds great.

Don't worry kirrin I remebered this weeks a toddler and a baby is hard physically you need hands and eyes everywhere if you new how many head meets concrete incidents we have had you would be shocked. O has now perfected his judo fall and just smiles!

det my O has never had separation anxiety. EVER. Though like you say always pleased to see me. I think it was because he was in nursery at 6 months.

Another day at Slieve Fairy. We now have a task am thinking downtown tonight. Or is that getting a bit passé?

PennieLane Sun 08-Sep-13 07:37:08

Thanks for new thread stunt and I hope things improve. Sounds like you've got it under control.

chasing glad you had a good day, and peaches v sorry to hear about eye-sounds horrendous!

We've a walker here, but she doesn't do distances. She walks between furniture or to me if I'm on other side of room say. She'll do 4/5 ft alone.Still holds hands when outside, although I drop her hands and she'll carry on until she realises. I'd say this is how sep anxiety has manifested itself here. I thought she'd just be walking all the time but its like she has to develop the confidence that I'll still be there/she won't walk away, and you can sometimes see the panic if she realises I've let go of her hands. But she's growing with confidence everyday and I love seeing it. It is odd though as thought it would be like crawling where they are just off. She does more and more everyday and now prefers it to crawling.

Went to a wedding last might, just me and DH. Had to socialise though which was a Shame as wanted to hang out together. Feeling hungover this morning. Eek.

pass great image!!

fruitpastilles Sun 08-Sep-13 08:31:33

Hope L's cough clears up soon jj have a safe journey back.

Nursery sounds fab peaches I'm sure LO will settle soon, it sounds like she is making progress anyway. Hope you eye clears up soon.

Hope little pig is feeling a bit better this morning pig and that you had a decent sleep?!

Hugs kirrin you are not a crap mum at all, you are the best mum your dd's could wish for. These things happen. We put the heating on yesterday for an hour and I completely forgot to factor in S crawling and touching the radiator, cue lots of crying and me feeling totally shit. The living room radiator was promptly turned off!

brewbrewbrew To pennie hangovers and lo's don't mix well! I was the same last Sunday!

S had a lie in this morning, she didn't wake until 6:30, she's normally a 5:30 kinda girl. Apart from getting her down in the first place she had a better night that the past few, a few cries out in her sleep, one was a piercing scream though that scared the crap out of me. A couple of dummy inserts and that was about it. She didn't go down until 9 though, when she's normally asleep by 6:30.

fruitpastilles Sun 08-Sep-13 08:32:39

Did we hear from vq yesterday? Hope she's ok!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 08-Sep-13 08:33:00

Obviously I mean TV. I also have lots of tasks.

GTbaby Sun 08-Sep-13 08:43:01

Lo is parked right in front of tv. Can't decide if I should just enjoy him distracted or discourage such behaviour.

And as I decide option one is ideal this morning he crawls over and starts climbing up me confused

Passmethecrisps Sun 08-Sep-13 09:38:22


Where is VQ? Don't think she's been on for a couple of days. Preparing for job interview maybe?

Good god M stinks!! Can I swap her for a nicer smelling baby please envy

Chocolatestain Sun 08-Sep-13 10:24:35

Hi, haven't abandoned you ladies completely, just been a mega-busy week and DH is in India for work for ten days (there's no-one to hand d over to for any time at all so it's quite full-on).

Chasing your man friend sounds perfect and it's a win-win situation. If romance should blossom at any point in the future, then the relationship will be based on a really solid friendship and you can be sure that you're not being lust-blinded into ignoring any psychopathic traits. And if romance doesn't happen you've still got a bloody good mate and we all need those.

D is crawling, cruising, standing unaided for a few seconds and into absolutely everything. I met up with some of my NCT group last week and despite being the youngest and smallest baby there, D had the longest reach (determination rather than monkey-arm genes I think). Couldn't believe it when the other mums nonchalantly put their mugs of tea on the coffee table. They had to be hastily removed as soon as D spotted them!

Is anyone else struggling with the change in temperature? D has lived in vests and shorts all summer and suddenly I'm having to think about sleeves and socks and nothing fits.

Oh and he put bird poo in his mouth yesterday.

Evilwater Sun 08-Sep-13 11:32:04

Morning all,
n and I are having a Pj day. We are going to chill all day, as P is away for the day. I'm starting to watch breaking bad, after so many of you watch it.

As for nicks birthday, it depends on the weather. If its sunny and the front garden has been done then have a outside party with summer toys. If its rainning, then hiring out some soft play, or do messy play in the dinning room. Of course finger food, and cake.


We're having a lazy day too. M is still in her babygrow, I've got dressed but only in to my trackies.
Going to do a bit of housework and then mooch about. I've got to do get up and drop off as well as getting ready for work on my own tomorrow so I want to get organised tonight.

We're the same chocloate it's suddenly colder but all her 6-9 stuff seems too summery but it'll be a while before she's in 9-12. But I feel strange buying 6-9 when she's already 9.5 months. Could do with buying some tights and long sleeve t-shirts.

fruitpastilles Sun 08-Sep-13 13:07:33

S had been whinging all day, I've just put a bit of water in an empty 2ltr bottle, best. fun. ever!

ChasingDaisy Sun 08-Sep-13 13:08:57

Fatima I've posted on FB I have some 6-9 month long sleeved vests that Oscar has outgrown very quickly. They're unisex and am happy to post them out to anyone who wants them. I can post a pic on FB if anyone is interested.

ChasingDaisy Sun 08-Sep-13 13:18:39

Ok quiche. I need birthday present ideas for O's friends first birthday. I want to spend about £20.

fruitpastilles Sun 08-Sep-13 13:27:28

chasing I just bought S the fisher price laugh and learn cookie shape surprise, she luffs it. It was only £11 off amazon.

chasing that's a lovely offer. I'll check what vests we have in the cupboard, she still squeezes in to 3-6 in vests at the moment but I think she'll be moving up in those shortly.
We bought M a push along trolley thing with wooden building blocks in sainsburys yesterday. Meant to be £15 but was on offer for half price. You could get something like that?

PurplePidjin Sun 08-Sep-13 13:40:09

Rant alert...

So, R's sleeping is still fucked. Was improving last week, then i went to work Thursday and it's deteriorated until last night he woke at 9, 11, 12, 1 for a hand hold back to sleep, 4:20-6 howling - nappy change and calpol. Slep till 8:30 but dp and i are exhausted, he's not getting better as fast as he could and I'm struggling to shield him because I'm so tired. My mum steps in for a couple of hours at a time but hasn't offered an overnight and I'm not going to beg.

Today SIL rings. She's just had other baby dn over night. This is SIL with 2 dc, one severely autistic. SIL whose husband walked out on her and is an utter fuckwit over both money and contact. SIL who has enough on her plate. Other baby dn is a month older than R and has two healthy parents plus an adult brother living at home.

AIBU to be really really pissed off at that? I can't and won't say anything to dp. But really - taking the piss much?!?! angry

No, they haven't suggested we might like to do the same...

PurplePidjin Sun 08-Sep-13 13:43:59

Sorry, that was massively self-indulhent, selfish and self-pitying. Ignore me everybody else does

StuntNun Sun 08-Sep-13 14:19:07

Don't want to play devil's avocado advocate Pidj but maybe the others are more forward at asking for help? I don't think I'd let anyone else have J over night tbh as it would be difficult for an unfamiliar person to settle him repeatedly. The sleep dep is definitely the worst problem, I can't believe quite how bad it is.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 08-Sep-13 14:24:02

pp but did she offer or was she asked? Sometimes we can get into the waiting for an offer all and invite, and that is to forthcoming, and the ther person might be happy too if asked etc. iykwim be careful not to descend into martyrdom.

Obviously if she offered but didn't offer you then different case entirely.

PurplePidjin Sun 08-Sep-13 14:27:44

Yeah, plus they're closer, dn is ff and sleeps through...

I'm raging because it's fucking cheeky of them to ask tbh. SIL has enough to deal with looking after a high-needs child plus younger nt sibling. That's why i would never ask. The other baby has 3 adults around, none of which to my knowledge have taken SILs two out to give her a break. We had the nt dn to stay in the last 2 summer holidays (asd dn would hate it) and take them out when we can...

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 08-Sep-13 14:28:00

My typos get worse.

PurplePidjin Sun 08-Sep-13 14:30:05

There are practicalities that mean R probably won't go alone till he's bigger (I'd trust her in a heart beat) the having one not the other is a bit of a side issue to the other stuff tbh

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sun 08-Sep-13 15:16:19

Our neighbours have been offloading a specific sort of local plum,- they have a glut. Two huge crates in the last week, so have spent hours washing, stoning, bagging up and freezing them. I have no idea what I will do with them but expect stories of adapting puddings. I am crap at puddings. Oh well.

chasing how are you feeling now?

I am sick of teething.

DD1 was up half the night. I don't know why, possibly nightmares..

PennieLane Sun 08-Sep-13 15:30:23

We're struggling clothes-wise too but cheap long-sleeved t-shirts are good. I figure I can always put them away for next baby. She's in 6-9 and 9-12 is way too big but agree its annoying buying smaller size for just a few weeks!

We're no longer parent facing as new McLaren Quest arrived this week. I love it!

Pikz Sun 08-Sep-13 15:35:04

DP is being amazing. Taken a very grumpy baby for a walk and ordered me to lie down.

Am at a loss as to his sleep. After 4 months of sleeping through we have descended into chaos. No idea why. All 4 top teeth through plus two bottom ones and he's still waking once a night screaming sometimes for an hour. I understood all the wakings when teething but I don't understand this.

MissMummy1 Sun 08-Sep-13 15:55:18

Clothes -argh. M has just moved mostly into 9-12. I thought she had loads. I sorted through her wardrobe this morning and she doesnt. So I have spent most of the afternoon ebaying smile .

M slept through for my mum!! In fact they had to wake her up at 8am shock shock shock . I hated being away from her but we had a lovely night. When we picked her up she was delighted to see P and then when i picked her up for a cuddle she burst into tears sad confused

Lazy sunday here. Just going out for an indian buffet after vetoing all local carveries.

VQ I hope you are okay lovely. xxx

PurplePidjin Sun 08-Sep-13 16:24:24

R is in 9-12 vests but only just growing out of 3-6 tee shirts. Everything else is 6-9. Mind, he does have a fat squishy bum!

We're going to ask SIL if she'd like R overnight in a month or so shock we can stay a mile up the road with MIL where i doubt I'll sleep well as it's where i was trapped while dp was in hospital i trust her and it doesn't seem to be as big an imposition for them as it would be in my family

ValiumQueen Sun 08-Sep-13 17:12:24

Not caught up but just saying hi, we are ok, and will be back very soon. Very busy here.

Pikz Sun 08-Sep-13 17:20:25

Waving at you VQ.

We are in 12-18 here with the odd smattering of 9-12 trousers.

ChasingDaisy Sun 08-Sep-13 17:52:59

Hey VQ, glad you're ok.

Who on earth designed babies so that their top 4 teeth all come through at once? Sadistic bastard angry

PurplePidjin Sun 08-Sep-13 18:20:05

brew for VQ, hope you get rushed off yoyr feet all the way to a nice soft armchair soon smile

Chasing same twunt that gave R his bottom two at the same time, followed by the top two 3 and 4 days later...

Tired baby is asleep in bed with no fuss. Tired baby is tired but not over tired iyswim confused

QQ - we've had shop bought fresh lasagne for tea and we've got a portion left for M's lunch, should I just zap it in the microwave tomorrow or give cold?

Lily311 Sun 08-Sep-13 18:30:59

Hi quiche,

O was at my parents' on fri night than I spent sat night there too, just came back. It was lovely, she adores my mum and dad. Sadly their dog disappeared overnight, it's a 14 year old puli, we searched for him everywhere. I think it is under a bush somewhere in their garden but couldn't find him, he is probably deadsad. He couldn't escape, the garden is secure. Just feel so sad although he was old and blind and quite fragile.

O is in 6-12 and 9-12 clothes, she is really long. I got some eBay bundles for her and my sister also gave me tons, I only have to buy vests and socks for her.

pr can you do jam? Or chutney?

pidj that's very cheeky. My brother asks his MIL to have my nephew every weekend as they are so tired. All they do is complain. His wife doesn't work, nephew is in pre school from 8-3 every day. I mean wtf? He also sleeps 7-8 hours per night than sleeps an additional 2 with mummy and daddy.

PennieLane Sun 08-Sep-13 19:45:24

pikz we have the sane thing. LO slept through from 8-26 weeks, then most nights (4-5 p/w) until 9 months, then that regression has brought us to our knees. Up for an hour or two every night, it did get much better but it's still frequent night wakings. I don't know what happened. I can only blame the regression!seems to be better on days when she eats lots, but I think self-settling is key. Going to try to have naps in cot only (not pushchair) and work on self settling when move to HK. So frustrating! So solidarity from me but not much help hmm

Good to see you vq

PennieLane Sun 08-Sep-13 19:46:01

So sad about their dog lily that made me cry hmm

Pikz Sun 08-Sep-13 19:58:38

Thank you pennie. So frustrated with all of it.

The hv said oh it will get better when he walks!!

YellowWellies Sun 08-Sep-13 21:08:35

<Slumps onto sofa with a sadly dairy free brew , adds a slug of whisky> grin

I'm knackered. Mad weekend. Too many adventures. Four hours of baby free speed gardening topped it off and has potentially pushed my back over the edge. Garden looks fab I can barely walk and couldn't lower the bear into his cot tonight! DH and Jonas played in the garden whilst I got the garden ready for winter. Jonas loves eating soil. blush The house looks like a shithole as a result as we had far more fun things to do this weekend.

YellowWellies Sun 08-Sep-13 21:10:51

Oh and I've been eating dairy traces this weekend and its not gone pear shaped smile smile smile smile smile smile smile I got to have curry sauce with my fish and chips!

ChasingDaisy Sun 08-Sep-13 21:12:28

Struggling again today. I'm rubbish at this. I hate being alone. Really really hate it. And at the moment, I hate being a mum too. I feel like I have messed my life up. I don't feel like I can contribute on here anymore - all I do is moan and reading about everyone's family life is hard. I don't know where I fit in life at the moment. I don't want to do the mum thing, but I have to. Usually when I'm newly single I'm out and about enjoying myself but now I'm trapped. I knew the depression would come back at some point so I had been expecting this, but it is my turn to take a break from the quiche now. I just want to hide inside my head.

Sorry to hear about the dog lily

pidj yes it's a bit cheeky. Especially if they never reciprocate.

C had no teeth a month ago. He now has four at the top and two down the bottom. Surely he can't still be teething? His sleeping hasn't improved much but I'm used to being permanently knackered.

One of the reasons I want another baby now is to get the sleepless nights out the way. We saw a newborn when we were out shopping yesterday. DP couldn't stop looking. He's worse than me! I want to lose some weight first or I fear I'll never lose it. Actually not so much weight, I'm back to my pre pregnancy weight, but I'm bigger round the middle. If I could get rid of that I would be happy.

Now have to get my work clothes and C's bag ready for tomorrow. In for one day then a day off. My mum has Tuesday off too so we will do something together. I feel like I haven't seen her since I went back to work.

X-post.chasing please keep posting. Sorry you are having a tough time. Will you consider seeing a doctor about it? (((Hugs)))

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 08-Sep-13 21:29:35

Hi new thread.

Had a lovely afternoon/evening at mil for her birthday. Both girls charmed everyone and crashed out when we got home so a success all round. Just catching up on last nights strictly. I do like the new pro dancer yum, not sure of his name. Not the one called Kevin! Can't wait for it to actually start now.

E has been forward facing in her pushchair for quite some time. I also have a baby jogger city mini and love it. I have a quinny too and although that does parent face she hasn't been for months. She prefers looking out and being nosey.

Very kind of you to offer out the vests chasing. E is still quite comfortably in 3-6 months and I probably have quite a few 6 months plus vests in the loft from DD1. I keep meaning to get out the next batch and sort it out but as E still seems to be a long way off I haven't bothered yet. And yes, agree about bastard top 4 teeth. I guess at least it gets a lot of teething out of the way at once but having all 4 come through is a killer.

lily Sorry about your dog sad

Bryzoan Sun 08-Sep-13 21:48:31

Don't leave us chasing. You and o have a family life, thoug yours is a particularly challenging one it is just as valid. All of us find it hard sometimes even in less difficult circumstances so don't be hard on yourself. You jave come so far it is amazing. Do go to your new Gp (have you registered yet?) and your sure start centre to get help. You can do this. You are awesome.

daisychain76 Sun 08-Sep-13 21:50:27

Hello, found you all! Time slipped away from me and gave up on last fred.

Chasing hugs.

No walking here but plenty of crawling, cruising and teething.

Evilwater Sun 08-Sep-13 22:04:51

Hello all,
chasing are there any baby groups you can go to? They are a lifeline in RL for me. I feel like that sometimes, that I've fucked everything up, but you haven't. Your a great mum,and your doing it on your own. Look at what you've faced, and come out for the better.
Give your self break, great mum.

Sorry to read of the missing dog.

N has been chilling most of the day, he's had two suppers tonight! He's also whined alot, and been very tired. I've bathed him, so he is squeaky clean, and he's dropped off to sleep at 730 ish on his own.


Elizadoesdolittle Sun 08-Sep-13 22:06:19

Sorry chasing That was a cross post. Please don't leave or take a break from the quiche. You don't just moan all the time, you really contribute and have also sounded very positive of late. I'm sorry the depression has come back but we are here in good times and bad.

I just bought E her first birthday present. A fisher price say please tea set. Was on amazon for £10.99. I kept meaning to get one for DD1 when she was small and never got round to it.

PurplePidjin Sun 08-Sep-13 22:34:51

Chasing i get pretty fucked off too, reading about all the lovely things people are buying, the days out, holidays etc. All i do is get ignored whinge about how R's shit sleep is getting shitter.

But don't go. I like hearing about your adventures, and the first excitement of meeting a new man, and your lovely new flat smile

BigPigLittlePig Sun 08-Sep-13 23:02:38

Chasing hugs my lovely. I love hearing about your fav new life too, and all the adventures you've been having. And pidj too - I love hearing about the ever more frequent positives (and they are there, even if you don't feel like they are).

As for moaning, it's good for the soul. Get it off your chest here where you can pretend that people read it, then you don't have to do it in RL grin

VQ glad to hear things are ok.
Evil sounds like a fab day.

Thank goodness for hot showers and very very very strong coffee. 3 hours sleep was all I got in the end. The consultant dared to comment on my being 10 mins later than he wanted me in work (but still 50 mins before I was supposed to start) - he got a death stare. I would not recommend getting ill in the southwest this week, you may encounter a frazzled and brain-melted doctor grin

See, I like a good moan too!

PurplePidjin Sun 08-Sep-13 23:08:46


YellowWellies Mon 09-Sep-13 04:58:07

I think we all have stuff we can be envious about - the trick is not to let it eat you up. But that's easier said than done isn't it? OK we're financially comfortable now after long years of slog after DH's PhD and our relationship is pretty solid (but his ex was a prima donna and mine a sociopath so we've not always been lucky!) but I still get envious hearing about folks' Mums taking their babies and regularly giving them time off - selfishly because I'd love a day or night off to break the grind and won't realistically get one for years yet some seem to have one every week and take it for granted; more sentimentally because I'd have liked my Mum to have been able to meet J and DH before she died. No ones life is a total bed of roses. But thanks to Chasing and PP and others who are feeling a bit glum. Don't go - we'd miss you xx.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 06:44:16

Morning all. I agree with yw we all read the thread and feel slightly pissed off or even envious about something or other that the others have but we don't. Or don't have but we have that we don't want to. It's human nature.

LO insists on holding her own bottle for every feed now. When she's sleepy she will hold my hand too. I'm torn between being glad that I have etxra time, and sad that she doesn't need me anymroe. Even though she does, as she can't exactly make her own milk.

I'm going to wean both girls onto cows' milk in a couple of months. We are spending €30 a week on ff. I would in theory be able to buy enough organic, microfiltered, fresh, gold dusted full fat milk from freaky smiley dancing cows in Jersey and have enough saved at the end of the year to buy my own dancing cow at this current rate. Though DD1 has cut down on her ff habit.

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 07:09:34

I want a dancing jersey cow to entertain me

PP and chasing don't go. I completely agree with YW and ginger. We are all differing situations and there is something I'm sure we always feel sad/envious about.

Another night of up and downs 7.00-12-1-2-6.45

No idea!!

Lily311 Mon 09-Sep-13 07:25:04

pr O holds her bottle too. I feel so sad. She doesn't only hold the bottle but wants to lie on the sofa/carpet/wherever but not in my arms. My girl is growing up.

chasing Please don't go. It is very hard to be a mummy. Especially in your case. When I feel down a bit than I always imagine holding O's hand when she is a bit bigger and skip on the pavement. You are a great mum of O and you will make such wonderful memories for him. Sending you hugs.

I can't wait to finish with formula. I have 1 box left so my brother is sending me enough to last me till November. You can't buy formula here without prescription and we still don't have NI number here so he must send us some.

I have an assignment due tomorrow. Yep, did it again and just read the instruction today. Oh well, I will muddle through somehow when she goes to sleep. Feel really bad that others struggle on this course and I don't give a shit about it. Exam is in month time so better change my attitude.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 09-Sep-13 07:44:06

We have the pox sad I feel horrible that I have to go to work and leave her with dh when she's poorly. Accounts for the bad nights. Poor baby [weep]

PurplePidjin Mon 09-Sep-13 08:15:01

Shitter of a night - think hour long crying then 40 minutes sleep - till 1:30 when i checked his nappy. It was barely on, and he was basically peeing into the velcro not the absorbent bit. Thanks dp, that was really worth it hmm

PurplePidjin Mon 09-Sep-13 08:17:19

Oh, and i worked bloody hard at my degree, postgrad and professional qualifications. Dp worked his way up to middle management in a large company. Illness and redundancy don't care.

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 08:21:09

PP that's the issue isn't it... Illness and redundancy don't look at any of them. Big hugs.

Rubbish about the nappy and the sleep brew

Pig sorry to hear of the pox. Big cuddles to the pigsty.

GTbaby Mon 09-Sep-13 08:26:12

Is it insane to take a insanely grumpy lo to nandos?
He was really hard at home n FH was at work. Then took him to my mums and the same. Cousins mentioned going for food. So I took my snotty nosed nightmare child.
Hoping the change would help. He was manageable which was good. Helped by the fact there were a few of us to take turns picking him up.
And he enjoyed the chicken blush

FH n I were discussing last night how hard we are finding lo ATM. I'm struggling most as he wants attention n cuddles which bring on Braxton hicks from picking him up sad he cries for no reason n something we tried half n hour go which didn't work all of a sudden works.
Does really make me think of some of you who have this all the time. Seriously your all superwomen. thanks

Money doesn't make you happy. And you can be surrounded by ppl and still be lonely. Corny. But true.

Hugs thanks brew wine To all who need it.

PurplePidjin Mon 09-Sep-13 09:26:22

It'd be nice not to feel guilty every time i eat though hmm

Much harder to be miserable in a BMW than on a bike. I'd be a lot happier if i didn't have to worry about each bill and food shop.

GTbaby Mon 09-Sep-13 09:30:47

Why did I bother getting dressed? Just had calpol spat all over me confused

ditsygem Mon 09-Sep-13 09:33:35

hugs to chasing and pidj. Please don't go, but if you do need a break to concentrate on RL then come back when you feel ready. I have to say I find the reassurance from others that I am not the only one who struggles with night wakings, grumpy days, feeding problems etc really great on here. Us all being able to come on and moan is what makes it such a useful place I think.
I do have the secure family life and enough money and I'm grateful for that but it doesn't make life easy - being a mum is bloody hard and sometimes I don't want to do the mummy thing either but ofcourse that's not a choice and my DH works long hours so its pretty much just me and F most of the time. I think all mums deserve a medal - particularly single mums! (thinks there should be a medal icon)

ditsygem Mon 09-Sep-13 09:41:05

Your right pidj that must suck. No advice I'm afraid but hugs

PurplePidjin Mon 09-Sep-13 09:57:35

Sorry, i get very defensive at the implication that 5 redundancies in the first 8 months of last year (1 for me, 4 for dp) leading to our current situation is somehow because i haven't worked hard enough. Yes, i chose a low paid career but that was in the belief that i could save for my MA in music therapy not that a member of the SLT in my 1st job would bully me out of an otherwise good place and into a series of short term pt contracts thanks

YellowWellies Mon 09-Sep-13 10:08:36

Sorry Pidj when I mentioned that we struggled when DH was doing his PhD it wasn't saying 'we've worked hard to get here' but rather I can empathise with being absolutely skint. We had £200 a month for food, bus fare, fuel, clothes and 'disposable' (haha!) income. No one is judging you pidj but sometimes it feels very hard to say anything without causing offence to someone sad thanks . I can empathise with feeling guilty when I eat but for different reasons (playing the has it got dairy in it and will it hurt him roulette!). I don't want to think this thread has to be edited so we don't mention partners, possessions, sleep or the million and one other things that could cause offence (like when you buggers are eating chocolate wink ) - it's been, since we POAS way back in spring 2012 a place where we can all just vent and share and I do hope it can stay that way.

pidj and chasing sorry you feel that way. Life isn't a bed of roses for anyone, we all have issues in our lives I'm sure. Yes my parents help us out a lot and I'm grateful for that but DP's parents are 4,000 odd miles away and I have no idea when they will even meet C. It breaks my heart, then I come on mn and see people slagging off their ILs and it hits a nerve. That's life though I'm afraid and this thread is great for everyone to share the good and the bad. I hope neither of you leave but if you need to take a bit of a breather then I understand.

MsJupiterJones Mon 09-Sep-13 10:49:36

I agree YW. All of us have things that others don't and it can be hard to hear when it's your 'without' but equally I enjoy hearing about others' successes and happy times as much as it is a relief to hear when others have the same worries or difficulties. I belonged to another supportive group on MN but it got to the point where you weren't welcome unless things were really bad and couldn't post about anything positive.

I feel bad for posting that I had a nice week with the ILs but DH and I have never had holidays apart from visiting them - we both pursued creative careers that didn't work out and in our late thirties are just starting out, so I do understand what it is like to have no money.

There are some on here that have had to deal with extreme circumstances and I won't pretend to understand what that is like, but the quiche is an exceptionally loving, supportive bunch and I don't think that anyone is without empathy through their own worries or fears.

I hope no-one decides to leave but everyone takes breaks from time to time when they need to, safe in the knowledge that the warm collective quiche bosom is waiting for their return. xx

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 10:54:02

I think yw you are right. In a group as large as this it is hard to say much without possibly causing offence or upset. I just try to be happy for those of you who have the whatever I don't have, relief that I don't have some of the problems others have, and empathy with those who are having trouble too (not just relief!)

It's very easy to get a snapshot of people's lives on here and not see everything that isn't posted, past or present. But I think we should still be able to post what we need to post, be that a boast, a comment or a whinge.

Here's my boast: it is almost noon and I have had to sit through no cbeebies yet today. It's a fucking record. I love nursery.

Here's my whine. I went to pick up LO from her two hour session and DD1 caught sight of me and thought I was picking her up too. She was so happy then so hmm angry and sad . I felt horrible. She was having a good time when I arrived so no reason not to leave her, and I'm sure she settled back in in minutes. But I felt horribly guilty for taking her sister home and not her. She must just not have understood.

GTbaby Mon 09-Sep-13 11:05:08

Just some advice I thought I'd remind you of seeing as we have quite a few teeth.
Lo sucks his thumb. He has developed a patch of hard skin. More so since his teeth have come in.
Can't remember who recommended it. But using lansol nipple cream for a couple days has really helped.

Jic anyone else is experiencing similar.

Kyz Mon 09-Sep-13 11:10:16

Not caught up properly but will do later. Dishing out some hugs for those needing them x

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 09-Sep-13 11:21:45

I try to keep my posts positive as that's generally my disposition. But that doesn't mean I have had things easy, as I think it was yw who said we only see a snapshot of people's lives on here. We know not of what's happened pre baby days. And there are so many of us on here that have had to deal with such awful situations that I can't comprehend going through. But I think we all need to feel we can share what we are going through be it negative, positive, or jut generally need to rant, boast etc. god knows I've done my fair share of venting on here. I'm putting this really badly but just wanted to say I like the fact we can all share our experiences both good and bad and would like to think we don't have to feel guilty for posting about good things for fear of upsetting people. But I do understand it can be hard when you are in a situation were you can't have the family life you hoped for. But I like to think this quiche is a sort of support network too.

Gosh ir got to rush to get DD1's pre school injection so no time to read back my post. I hope it comes across as intended and doesn't offend anyone xx

YellowWellies Mon 09-Sep-13 11:43:59

Apple, Eliza, Ginger and others have put it better than me. We all have crosses to bear and some folks struggles are more than I could cope with and I include your situation in that Pidj sad . I also know that my rants about folks taking advantage of in laws / relatives close by say more about me and my jealousy / chip potato field on my shoulder about losing my Mum and not having that option - than anything else. I know your reality is incredibly hard Pidj and given our current political climate you must feel defensive but no one has implied you are in your position because you've not worked hard and none of the quiche would - its just not that sort of place, and it's a little hurtful that you could think it. As the saying goes, if hard work really was the secret to riches, women in sub Saharan Africa would all be millionaires. You are where you are from sheer bad luck. We know that and would change it if we could thanks

Ginger awww poor DD1 she'll be playing happily within 2 minutes I'm sure - little tink.

Has anyone else realised that their previously angelic baby was actually just immobile and plotting all the stuff they were going to wreck!!! He's such a little bugger now he's moving - I say 'no' he smiles and keeps doing it, or worse gives me a kiss or a pat on the arm and then ignores me!!! shock shock shock

MissMummy1 Mon 09-Sep-13 12:01:41

Morning. P and M have been packed off for a few hours with the macpac and a picnic so I can crack on with some housework. The house needs gutted!

I dont really know what to say to this morning's chat. I am someone who is so easily worn down and takes everything personally. I have always been conscious that others who havent worked a day in their lives seemingly have so much more than me, and as much as I hate to admit it, this bothers me.

BUT I can take some comfort from the fact I own my 9yr old renault outright and next door will lose their 63 plate BMW with one missed payment. I have awful, disinterested ILs and an alcoholic, abusive, waste of space biological dad; but a fantastic mum and step dad.

Pidj has a VVVVDP and I have, well, a P. Just.

But I am a glass half empty person by type and constantly need to remind myself of these things.

We all have things others don't, and those who look like they have lots of material posessions probably either owe the bank £££££s or have ishoos elsewhere in their lives. We have friends who can put on a great show to the outside world that they have a solid loving relationship, own their own house/pub/sports cars and are loaded. I know for a fact they are one missed pay cheque away from bankruptcy and sleep in different bedrooms because they cannot afford to seperate. They are bloody good actors though.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 12:05:11

Yes yw they are starting to practice for toddlerdom. LO finds it hilarious when I say no. And has a real temper tantrum when I stop her from doing something. They are starting to push our buttons for attention and test our boundaries. They'll stop when they are a bit older. About 20 years older.

ditsygem Mon 09-Sep-13 12:06:17

Haha YW that is so cute that he gives you a kiss or pat on the arm before being naughty! F is definitely one who was plotting all the trouble he could get into before he could crawl. His first crawl ever was straight across the room to the fire place and some little african wooden carvings that were on there which he promptly battered against the fire place!

YellowWellies Mon 09-Sep-13 12:09:21

Exactly - some folks have their hearts and problems on their sleeves and rant a lot blush confused confused confused grin like me! Others hide their problems even from themselves. As with most mortgage payers we're only a few months away from being out on our arses if DH lost his job.

I'm having a housework and washing day. Sorting out the bears winter wardrobe and bah humbug but the hand me downs we've got from our sisters are all summer stuff so I think I'll need to get an eBay bundle. Gift horse mouth blush !

PurplePidjin Mon 09-Sep-13 12:18:44

Ooh, forgot to say - went to see the vicar this morning to get R's paperwork sorted for his christening on sunday. Vicar got the first proper wave!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 12:24:39

Ooh I went through LO's clothes the other day. Took all the unsellable stuff to the Red Cross which was my good deed for the year. Kept a few brand new pieces back to ebay - ebay is shite here, not worth the petrol it uses to drive to the post office (30km round trip) It was all second hand anyway.

It's so strange putting her in clothes it feels like DD1 was wearing just a few months ago. The last 12 months have gone so fast. I loved getting out the winter clothes though, the little snow suits and fluffy boots. Bye bye summer, fuck right off and close the door on your way out please. Hello cosy autumn and winter, don't be as harsh on us as last year please. grin

Also last week I spent ages ironing name labels into their clothes. I got bollocked by nursery for not having done it. Not sure my iron had ever touched anything that isn't work shirts. That and the plum stoning and freezing yesterday made me feel a bit domestic goddessish. Then I looked at the mess the house is in and got a grip.

Donnadoon Mon 09-Sep-13 12:46:03

I luffs this quiche
I love the way our quiche problems are quickly dealt with and we move on
I am generally an up beat person
But I dont mind reading other peoples moans and groans , it doesnt bring me down
So keep posting whatever you ve got to post smile

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 12:56:21

Arghhh so LO has 25 scoops of formula a day. We are away 10 days and an average carton has 200 scoops ish. So I need to take two cartons right even though we will only maybe get through a bit of it.

Wish I could have breastfed sad

I love this quiche too.

Yay for proper waves PP

I bet LO settled quickly ginger

We are in naughty boy pat on the arm and smile territory all the time YW. He learns at least 10 new tricks a day!!

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 12:58:24

Oh and anyone searching for winter stuff next are doing some good basics like 4 long sleeved tshirts for £9 and two pairs of trackies for £9 and if you get one of the leaflets in store you get £10 off your first online order so I just got 4 tees and 2 trousers for £8. Great as he's in 12-18 and the prices of the clothes have gone up.

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 13:02:14

Oh and extra thick hair bands have saved me a fortune in cupboard locks especially in our ramshackle cottage where normal ones don't fit!!

Lily311 Mon 09-Sep-13 13:15:29

Can I just say thanks fuck for the vtech walker? It keeps a very grumpy baby entertained.

ChasingDaisy Mon 09-Sep-13 13:15:39

I feel awful for having provoked an argument of sorts. I love this quiche and you have got nw through the worst of times. I know that I hold back on mentioning how well O is sleeping so that I don't seem insensitive to others but we shouldn't have to censor ourselves. Yesterday was particularly hard as taking O out on Sundays means that I always encounter families.

Anyway, I have sent off for my provisional driving licence today and will be starting lessons as soon as it comes through. Also, my dad is babysitting on Wednesday night so I can go to the cinema by myself. I'm a sucker for a Richard Curtis film. Off to the Children's Centre for baby group tomorrow and am going to beg for help from the family support workers. Thinking about trying to get O into their childcare sessions a couple of hours a week.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 13:19:09

chasing it was a discussion, not an arguement smile

Sounds good re the whildren's centre and babygroups. I hope you feel better soon. flowers

Passmethecrisps Mon 09-Sep-13 13:45:39


Lucky vicar getting the waves pp. DH texted me earlier to tell me that p was waving at meerkats at the safari park. Apparently the sea lions were initially boring then beyond scary. P seems to wave to get your attention so she often does it when your back is turned.

What are you doing this afternoon YW? I might get a chance to pop round for the yogurts as I have a meeting in town. Or tomorrow morning perhaps.

PurplePidjin Mon 09-Sep-13 14:05:50

I love Matalan and Asda - not too much emphasis on the Blue and Pink. R has a 12-18 pink tee shirt from Asda with a T-Rex in specs on it, I think it's awesome and can't wait till he grows into it! Also some nice not-blue-but-still-boyish stuff like jersey dungarees from Matalan. He had green, red and yellow car babygrows from there last winter.

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 14:19:50

PP how do matalan come up size wise? Asda is infuriating as would be ace for clothes but they are so short sad I keep meaning to drive to matalan to look.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 09-Sep-13 14:28:35

Housework and washing day here too in between posting on mumsnet. We've not had a day home for ages so am well behind on stuff.

E's weight has more or less stayed the same, well she is 100g less than last weigh in 2 weeks a go. So we now have powder to mix into her food, maybe the same as stunt mentioned. So another weigh in in 2 weeks. I can't get any more food in her and she just won't drink much milk no matter what I try so hopefully this powder will give her the boost she needs.

E's ok for clothes at the mo but DD1 seems to be rapidly growing out of everything, including shoes. So an expensive time coming up but it's nice to know that E will get to use it too. Probably when she's about 12 at this rate!

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 09-Sep-13 14:33:26

Ah pr you've reminded me I still need to buy labels for DD1 when she starts next week. Our iron only gets used on very special occasions. Weddings, funerals and such like.

YellowWellies Mon 09-Sep-13 14:39:22

Chasing it was a discussion love and my response was prompted by Pidj as I was worried she'd got the wrong end of the stick. Hope you're feeling more upbeat today.

Pass today I have the most miserable cling-on baby. I can only assume (yet again, but I could be right one of these days....) teeth. Slicks of snot, oceans of drool, satanic nappies, totally off food, hand in mouth constantly, inconsolable about EVERYTHING (5 minutes ago about sitting on the lawn!!). So yeah, I'll be in. The house looks like a thermonuclear device has gone off in a garment factory as I'm sorting out his clothes when I'm allowed to put him down. Which isn't often. Thank god for the ergo or there'd be no tea tonight. So come round whenever. Tomorrow morning we'll be around from 8.30 until 10 when we go to playgroup - would be lovely to see you smile smile .

Is Jonas the last baby to get teef? - he's 10.5 months and still a gummi bear. My niece got her first at 13 months so figure we might be slow too..... But dear god after today's palaver I hope we've not got another 3 months of this.

YellowWellies Mon 09-Sep-13 14:42:53

The last time I ironed was for a wedding I went to aged 21. That's more than a decade and then some ago shock shock shock ! Poor DH does it in our house as only his stuff gets ironed. I used to quite like ironing whilst listening to music but suddenly it became one of those life's too short activities.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 14:46:23

LO got her first two at 7 months exactly. Next week she will be 11 months and we still don't have any more teeth, despite weeks of swollen gums and general grmpiness. Every few days we say that they are definitely on their way..

Passmethecrisps Mon 09-Sep-13 14:47:16

Poor bear. No teeth here either.

Passmethecrisps Mon 09-Sep-13 14:51:40

I'll see how this meeting goes YW. If I can then I will. Otherwise maybe we could do lunch one day?

<wonders how acceptable it is to invite oneself to lunch>

fruitpastilles Mon 09-Sep-13 14:58:17

No teeth here either!

YellowWellies Mon 09-Sep-13 15:24:09

Wednesday or Friday suit you for lunch? smile

PennieLane Mon 09-Sep-13 15:28:29

Very snotty grump baby here too-a devil of a cold just as we're about to fly. Brilliant.

Her nose started bleeding because its so sore from snot wiping. hmm

I won't have time to post in the next week or three! So catch up in a few threads time. I'm sure there will be many more walkers and even more teeth by then. Still just the two here (arrived at 8 months).

fruitpastilles Mon 09-Sep-13 15:45:30

Good luck with the move pennie hope it all goes well. Can't wait to hear how you are all settling in in a few weeks xx

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 15:52:16

So excited for you pennie. Good luck and can't wait to hear all about it

Passmethecrisps Mon 09-Sep-13 15:58:38

Meeting cancelled!

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 16:25:24

Pass run like the wind and give YW and Jonas a big squish from us

YellowWellies Mon 09-Sep-13 16:53:28

OK want a cure for whinging babies - get Pass round - he was deeeelighted to see her!

ChasingDaisy Mon 09-Sep-13 17:28:39

<summons pass>

Seems we all have whingy babies at the moment. Bless them, must be a lot going on.

ChasingDaisy Mon 09-Sep-13 17:36:19

Driving instructor chosen. Solo cinema ticket booked.

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 17:55:44

Well done chasing. Wish I was closer as would love to see that movie too!

L cheered up a lot after a 2 hour nap and some jacket potato.

PurplePidjin Mon 09-Sep-13 17:56:28

Pikz big like Next shock

Interview went well, I'm signed up to the agency. Also had one in a local costume shop, bit last minute dumped Rafa with dp and ran but fingers crossed. Would be ft, but an hour for lunch and within sight of home so dp could tell work where to stick it and have time to heal properly. Not taking it if they offer minimum wage though, and I'd need to change the day off hmm cheeky?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 09-Sep-13 17:58:50

Piglet has pox inside her mouth, and nappy rash so bad it's bleeding - not a happy girl. Poor dh has earned himself some v's but is exhausted - hes had quite a day of it.

PR hope dd1 was ok in the end - luckily they're easily distracted at her age.

Chasing watch out MK! Sounds very exciting - and no doubt it will give you lots of independence once you pass your test.

Sorry to hear there are so many grumpy babies - challenging times eh?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 09-Sep-13 18:00:11

Nice one pidj - no harm in a bit of negotiation. DH always says you don't get if you don't ask - very true although I am cowardly by nature

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 18:24:52

Well done PP. nothing wrong with negociation. As a boss I never mind being asked and don't think it's cheeky. Crossing everything.

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 18:25:07

Poor poor piglet sad

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 18:46:52

Massive bruise on my knee from crawling races with L. Clearly he won.

Good luck pennie Hope it all goes smoothly.

That's exciting chasing are you looking forward to the driving lesson?

Aww poor piglet. That doesn't sound very pleasant.

DP had the RSPCA call round today. FFS. Apparently someone reported him for kicking our dog hmm They said it was supposed to have happened last Thursday at 3 when both DP and I were at work. Why do people make up shit like that? The dog jumped up at DP while the man was here and kept trying to play with him. He said he looks healthy and well looked after and doesn't have any concerns. Too right.

The more I think about the RSPCA thing the more it upsets me. Our dog is as much a part of the family as C. I think of them both as my babies and neither of us would ever do anything to hurt him sad

Passmethecrisps Mon 09-Sep-13 19:01:00

Poor wee piggy. Sounds awful.

Not cheeky pp. I think that's your right!

It was lovely to see you both yw!

fruitpastilles Mon 09-Sep-13 19:02:27

Fingers crossed pp

I passed my test last year chasing I was 33 weeks pg, think I only passed because the examiner felt sorry for me grin I can't afford a car so am still on the bus but it's nice to know I've got my licence.

Poor little pig, I really hope she's better soon pig that must be awful for her.

Oh no apple well I'm glad they saw how well looked after the dog is. I just don't understand why some people do the things they do.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 19:12:23

Been back to the opthalmologist. The oedema has gone. The fact it reacted so quickly to treatment indicates for him for some kind of autoimmunity issue.

Keep me away from Dr Google.

Will mention it to my GP next week.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 09-Sep-13 19:38:44

Ginge any kind of inflammation will settle with steroids (I think that's what they gave you?) - could be anything, including small foreign body/abrasion with associated swelling and pain. Autoimmune things tend to be less focal. And def steer clear of dr google.

Having a total mare of a bedtime here. Disaster of the highest order.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 20:15:46

pig betwwen pregnancies I had sore wrists. I still do. Was supposed to get xrays done but I had to cancel due to pregnancy. Gp suspected some kind of arthritis. I s'pose I'd better mention that to new gp. V bad atm with the bad weather.

ginge Google is not your friend. Glad it has cleared up.

A work colleague announced her pregnancy today. Her DD is a year old and only two months older than C. I'm so jealous envy I found it difficult not to show it and surprised myself with how strongly I felt.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 20:34:29

Don't worry I'm not going to google. Anyway, it's gone. I can ignore it now <sticks head in sand>

week 3 of nursery and my two are full of snot. When I start saying I will take them out of nursery to stop them getting ill please remind me how much we all hated me being a sahm.

Sorry the piglet has the pox. Better now than later? Dd1 is vaccinated but LO will be done at 12 mo. I know there was a bit of for and against on fb the pox vaccination but I'm still going to do it.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 20:39:59

Tis pissing it down with rain here. Aibu to be glad and to be obsessing over the soups, pies and casseroles that autumn will bring? I love autumn.

And the chimney is being swept next week ready for the fires. Will take dd1 to the forest at the weekend to collect wood. She loved that last year. Have to do it before the hunting season starts. Not only do I not want to be shot but the boar go silly during the hunting season (can't blame them) and I HATE wild boar except on a plate

fruitpastilles Mon 09-Sep-13 20:47:12

Ahh I'd LOVE a big open fire. ginger that sounds like my idea of heaven, going to collect wood for my very own fire.
I love winter and can't wait to wrap S up all cosy and go for walks in the cold. I much prefer winter to summer.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 09-Sep-13 20:54:56

Ah poor wee piglet Hope it clears up soon. It takes me back to when E had it. It's not nice at all but once it's done it's done tries not to think about my friend whose 2 DD's got it twice.

chasing Good luck with the driving lessons. Being able to drive brings so much more independance I find. And enjoy the cinema. I love the cinema and quite fancy that film. Sadly none of my friends do. Perhaps I should take a leaf out of your book and go alone. My friend does it a lot. I don't know why I never do!

pr Been pissing it down all day here too. I hate it though. I don't mind the autumn/winter when it's bright and cold so you can just wrap up and go out. The constant grey that we get in the uk gets me down. shudders at memory of last winter and prays this winter is kind to us.

pennie Good luck. Look forward to hearing about your adventures in a couple of weeks.

apple what an awful thing for somebody to do. I hope that's the end of it.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 21:02:39

fruit the fireplace is one of the reasons we moved here. I love it but with the girls it scares me. We can't find the right fireguard. They have those huge ones that you canfix to the wall, but we aren't allowed to fix thing to the wall. So I think fires will be limited to once they are in bed.

fruitpastilles Mon 09-Sep-13 21:14:14

Oh, that's true, but just think in a couple of years, freezing cold, coming up to Christmas with the Christmas tree lights on and a big roaring fire. I think I've just invited me and S for Christmas at yours haha wink

MissMummy1 Mon 09-Sep-13 21:17:09

apple what a horrible horrible thing to have happen. I was so sad reading that anyone could be so cruel as to accuse your DP of that sad

I am very jealous of YW and pass ' rendezvous and a little jealous I didn't think to gatecrash grin

Speaking of which, YW are you going to be at your DSis' tomorrow. My mum can't make it but we could pop by for an hour or so? I need to be away about 2.30ish as working earlier than normal. <grump> Anyway, would be lovely to catch up. Aulay dog is allowed out a week tomorrow - the rest of this week is a bit nuts but could introduce you to the furry shark next week?

I have felt snotty and worn down all day. Today I mostly hate being a mum/house wife/dog owner/responsible adult. Woe is me.

Kyz Mon 09-Sep-13 21:23:22

Hiya all - I expect this will be epic so feel free to ignore me smile

Thanks for the buggy recommendations smile Still not sure what i'll go for but I need to save up for it anyway or ask for one for xmas from dp but it's good to have some ideas of what is out there and is quiche tried and tested.

chasing Sounds fab, you'll have a very good friend at the very least, then smile E is ff in his pushchair and has been for ages - he prefers looking out.

evil i'm sure it'll just be a passing phase, bless him. E isn't really fussed when I go I don't think. He is bothered when a door is shut, but not because I'm on the other side of it, more because he is then contained! Det O sounds like a very confident little boy I wouldn't worry about him at all!

Hope L is better soon jj sounds like you've had a nice time though smile

I watched strictly, having never ever seen it before watched it because of rod stewart performing and I am quite taken and may watch it again next week! Well, i'll record it as me and dp have been together 10 years on saturday so i probably should do something else other than watch tv!

Sounds like a fab nursery pr, it's great they are spending so much time with LO to help her settle. Sounds like a great menu too!

You sound very busy horsey hope you get some time out soon to spend with e smile

hugs bplp hope F is feeling better soon! Sorry to read much further down the fred about the pox sad wank!

fatima all the bloody time, my sister is a PITA and I quite often want to tell her so!

aw kirrin accidents happen, glad N is fine bless her. You are doing great smile

hey wellie and choc smile

Choc I am finding the same thing, E has been in summery things for ages now and all the long sleeved things he has are 9-12 and I had to squeeze him in one today, so I will need to get him some more asap! He has no long sleeved vests but I've recently bought socks and he has quite a few pairs of trousers.

glad you're ok vq

Chasing i'm sorry you struggled so much yesterday - sounds like today has been better though? Please do keep posting. I am sorry if anything I have said has ever upset you - i do try not to offend/upset anyone when I post but it's bound to have happened once or twice sad

equally pp I don't mean to ignore you about r's sleep ever, but I don't want you to think i'm being... forgot the word... sarcastic? not quite but similar, if i say i'm sorry to read about r's sleep and i really am sorry you're not getting much sleep still and then mention in other posts e sleeps well etc. Does that makes sense?

hugs and flowers all round methinks. I hope to have not offended anyone in the quiche or indeed pissed anyone off. I am definitely one for doing my fair share of whinging even if my issues seem like nothing to others (and I agree, sometimes I get really worked up about the tiniest things) and I apologise for that. I don't know. I always felt like the quiche was the place I could vent and moan about anything/mention/talk about everything.

lily so sad about the dog sad

pr wish e would hold his own bottles lol he will sometimes hold it for a bit of the morning one but doesn't often. Mind you he won't be a baby for much longer and I like that he still needs me for things.

Sorry about the shit night pp was it much better after you checked his nappy?

yw oh yes, E definitely was plotting and now he can stand up and grab things he is into EVERYTHING!

eliza hope the powder works in e's food

pp vicar was very lucky getting that wave!

e has the bottom two teef but only just, one you can feel more than the other.

good luck pennie!!!

glad the interview went well pp if you don't ask you don't get, so i don't see why it'd be cheeky to ask smile

oh bplp poor f sad

grrr apple how bloody annoying, and really daft! You know you haven't hurt him and that's what matters most smile

hope vq and stunt are both ok!

can't remember what else i was going to say, i am sure there's more but this has probably been a long enough post!!

YellowWellies Mon 09-Sep-13 21:43:49

Kyz if you've ever offended anyone I'll eat my hat - you're lovely.

BP get well soon piglet! Well done Daddy Pig for awesome sickbed care smile .

Apple that's awful sad . Poor mutley and poor DH being accused of something so sick.

PP negotiate away - it's easier to wangle what you want at this stage - so I'd just ask and see what they say.

MM we all have days like that when I know personally I'd happily be an irresponsible teen again smile hope you feel better tomo and yip I'll be at my sister's in the afternoon. With new buggy which makes the bear look like a teeny tiny half pint! He's errr, got lots of room to grow into it! Can't wait to meet your furry land shark grin next week Monday or Friday works well for me. Fancy a walk?

Jonas has eaten a bit of banana soreen, a small handful of cherry tomatoes, some cheerios and enough fruit puree to get his omeprazole into him - but no other solids. No real meal at all - just hours of BF. His tum was rumbling when I put him to bed but he just wouldn't touch solids today. Teef? Eegad I'm going to see him all night aren't I? sad Poor sausage.

TheDetective Mon 09-Sep-13 21:45:02

<Sticks left arm in>

<Sticks left arm out>

In out, in out and shakes it all about


MissMummy1 Mon 09-Sep-13 21:48:53

Perfect, I'll aim to be with you for 1.30ish. Will double check with work for next week but Friday could be a goer. Being of lab origin Aulay-dog isn't allowed to walk for further than 5 mins per month (so about 10-15mins roughly just now) but a walk would be lovely!

<repeat, not jealous of your 360> envy

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 09-Sep-13 21:52:19

kyz Strictly isn't on again till 27th September so you'll be ok to celebrate your anniversary in style smile

And I do love your epic posts.

daisychain76 Mon 09-Sep-13 21:57:26

Sat here trying and failing to do marking that has to be done by midnight. Fingers crossed H has a good night after this. Took him ages to settle.

Got a shock today. He'd been in his highchair, got him out to feed him and found a bit of cellophane in his mouth! No idea where it came from. Its a good lesson for me to not try to do too much at once though as I was making lasagne and rice pudding, unloading dishwasher, tidying table and shovelling organix things at him at the same time! Has made me stressed all day though.

Hope good nights are had all round. Sorry, being too tired to name check.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Mon 09-Sep-13 22:01:15

pidj remember your selling points when you negotiate. It would be so good for them to have someone up the road with winter coming up..

BigPigLittlePig Mon 09-Sep-13 22:15:12

Sorry to moan but.


Bedtime just finished. JUST. After 4 hours envy And is it in Fs bed? No chance. Am tempted to line our beds with towels as there are serious quantities of drool and vom.

Daisy F manages to find every little bit of stuff going. There's only so much you can protect them against.

Ginge I love our open fire. LAst winter was a bit grim though. We got flooded into our village, if I had gone into labour the day before, we wouldn't have got to the hospital under our own steam...

Think I might head off to bed. Suspect won't be good.

Hoping VQ, izzy and det are ok, haven't heard from you lot for a while xxx

BigPigLittlePig Mon 09-Sep-13 22:15:48

Ah, clocked the post from det. Still, hope you're ok and not too nervy about work.

YellowWellies Mon 09-Sep-13 22:20:59

Woo yes Det good luck for work. VQ, Izzy how's tricks?

I love autumn - my fave time of year. I almost miss the Rayburn from the island. A wood burner is on our saving up for list. I suspect it could be a while as the flue liner is extortionate!

Pikz Mon 09-Sep-13 22:45:05

YW order the flue yourself online and the fire. The fitting is the extortionate bit. I found I saved tons doing this and actually the wood burner has saved us £££££ in gas.

GTbaby Tue 10-Sep-13 00:09:28

There will be 4 babies on my antenatal thread in nxt few days! A CS. An induction and a natural birth. Full spectrum there. Making me very nervous. Lots of kicks tonight.

Lo did something hilarious today.
He held out his bottle lid to me. Pulled my hand closer to him. Went to put the lid in my hand. Then snatched it back went "ahhh" then giggled. Then did it again Z few times. Was SO cute.

Had development check today. Lo was good showing off his brick banging skills. Then came the weigh in which triggered crying and whining for rest of the session. He is 98% so still a big baby. Been asked to go in again in 3months so they can check his weight.
Oh well. Lo got some free books so he is happy. He likes books and looking at pictures. Has distracted him from crying quite a few times this past week.

Sleep time!

Bryzoan Tue 10-Sep-13 00:41:36

So excited for you gt. Loads of luck :-). A corner of me is very jealous - though a third right niow would probably finish me off! Am ebaying baby stuff atm as we have agreed no more but my subconscious is screaming at me to keep it all!

PurplePidjin Tue 10-Sep-13 05:56:14

R did 6-4:30 shock

Hour and a half of yelling and he's still not asleep but at least i had the sense to snuggle down at half 9 lol

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 10-Sep-13 07:42:33

yw I took a picture of O in his nipper with the cosy toes on as he looked so snuggly the other day, just for you. I will put it on fb.

kyz we love you you are delicious.

pidg we love you too I hope you get what you want out of the Interveiws.

det is it work? Hope all goes well.

In operation switching to Rural NI time DS1 has on,y just appeared. O was up at 6:45 which is ace. He also seems to be getting used to lying in his cot for half an hour after he wakes.

I must clean our wood burner today we have already been using the l e in the kitchen/family room just in the evenings though as we haven't got fireguards yet.

Can't wait for an all day fire.

Blackberrying today. What can I make? Any thoughts.

Oh, pr you could do your damsons as a damson crisp bit like a crumble but use pecans, ground almonds, olive oil, and maple syrup for your toppings. I will pm you the exact details. Is yum and quite healthy.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 10-Sep-13 07:48:37

I suspect our wood burner will be our main source of heating this winter, depending of course on how windy it is. <dons wellies ready to go foraging>

Pikz Tue 10-Sep-13 07:54:17

Well done mini fairies!!

PP that is a improvement... Come on mini PP give mummy some sleep.

Well after no capol and only half a bottle and refusing Togo to bed til 8.30 he slept til 7!!!! Wtf. This makes no sense now!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 10-Sep-13 08:08:37

It never really does pikz

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 08:21:44

Thanks sophia . They aren't damsons but are mirabelles, which would work out well in any damson recipe. They are sweeter than damsons. I won't be making jam or chutney as we don't really eat either, other than a local strawberry jam occasionally. A jar lasts a year though...

Morning all. Not the most excellent night here in fact at 2am tried to post an 'i'm up too message' but the sodding site was down. LO was v upset this morning to go to nursery sad

DD1 ran off to the ball pool and didn't look back.

PurplePidjin Tue 10-Sep-13 08:23:13

Sophia ice cream, crumble, crumble cake, cordial, wine, bramble jelly...

6:15-7:30. Calpol. Just need to sort out the nightly 4am screamfest now hmm any tips or shall i post in Sleep?

Pikz Tue 10-Sep-13 08:28:47

PP we have the same at 4am usually. All we have found is music, dark room, milk and capol and cuddles.

We use this m.youtube.com/watch?v=ldI9XdIWQBQ&desktop_uri=/watch?v=ldI9XdIWQBQ as was given the album and it is lovely. We use it for every sleep to create an association. Don't know if it helps but it seems to calm L when it goes on.

PurplePidjin Tue 10-Sep-13 09:07:52

I do dark room, white noise on Ewan and rub his back/hold his hand. Sometimes it works immediately sometimes he has to be left for increasing amounts of time till he's ready confused

Better than the 4 feeds a night i had a month ago, i guess...

YellowWellies Tue 10-Sep-13 09:40:41

Pidj there's not a specific food trigger for bad nights is there? It reminds me of Jonas' all night comfort feeds before his reflux / CMPI was dealt with. Ironically he sleeps much better on a medicine who's key side affect is insomnia! hmm

I know some folks think CMPI is bollocks and dismiss as wind or over tiredness which is a bit galling when you've a baby coughing up blood but not all have symptoms as severe, and it could be another food in your / his diet rather than dairy. His sleep seems to be worse post weaning?

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 09:47:47

Ooh I forgot to gloat mention that I beat Luis at wwf last week. First time ever. Am running at a success rate of maybe 0.5%

StuntNun Tue 10-Sep-13 10:03:52

If anyone is looking for clothes Boden are doing 20% off until the 12th using the code DIM5 at checkout. I've never used them but they sell baby clothes.

Sorry but I haven't been able to keep up with the thread so indiscriminate hugs / wine / brew and thanks to those in need. I'm doing the MN low carb bootcamp at the moment so I'm off the wine which is a pain great for weight loss.

J's sleep, contrary to expectations, has got worse instead of better, even with egg completely out of his system and the reflux has consequently died down. DH and I are up several times a night with him for up to two hours at a time. It is now 300 days since I had a full night's sleep. confused

DH is away on business for a whole week from Friday then back for a few days then away for another full week so I'm going to be on my own for a lot of nights as well as having to organise DS1 and DS2 and manage the house move which is currently looking like it will be between those two weeks away. shockhmmconfused So tonight we start controlled crying as per this suggestion as there's no way I'll be able to get through the next few weeks on even less sleep than I'm currently getting. I really don't want to do it as I suspect J may have pain in the night but I don't see any other way. We did CC with DS1 and DS2 when they needed it but they didn't have these extended periods of crying in the middle of the night so it was straightforward sleep training with them. So now it's make or break time. At least DH is made of sterner stuff than me so it will be easier for him to go in to J without being unable to resist picking him up for a cuddle.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 10:25:56

Makes sense stunt . I think not only you but LO will be better with good stretches of proper sleep. LO is always better after a good night. The odd wake up is fine, and normal. We all sometimes get thirsty during the night - I do. She went to bed early last night and woke up at two for a quick feed. She was doing her I'm hungry shout so I didn't quibble. But repeated wake ups and difficulty settling back down must be awful, and for both of you if you can find a way of managing it then life might start to slot into place again, iyswim.

Kyz Tue 10-Sep-13 10:38:37

Moooorning all!

Aww shucks, thanks guys blush

yw hope the solids avoidance has resulted in teef? Eric went right off food but seemed to be eating better yesterday and ate breakfast again this morning with teefs as a result

Good to know thanks eliza smile thought it would be weekly, or is it weekly once it's the 27th?

Gosh daisy wonder where he got that from?? E keeps scaring me to death ATM as he chews as he's crawling about and I keep thinking he's eating something he shouldn't! So far he hasn't but if I don't keep panicking and checking its guaranteed he will have something in his mouth that time!!

Eek pig that sounds horrendous!! Hope you managed to get some sleep in the end! Poor little piglet sad

Hope work goes ok det

Bless him gt that's so sweet! smile eeeeee so exciting!!! Not long now :D

Ooh well done mini-pidj! And mini pikz!

No idea what you can make sophia but nommomnom I love blackberries!! Sounds like sleeping is going well for o too smile

brew pr hope lo is ok today. Sounds like dd1 enjoys nursery then!

I hope it works/helps stunt it must be so sodding tough for you all I can't imagine sad sounds like you're going to be really busy the next fortnight or so too. Good luck with everything flowers

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 11:23:54

Poor LO had another bad morning. We're going to slow down the adaptation process a little more....

Pikz Tue 10-Sep-13 13:29:20

Oh no ginger. Do they know what's causing it? Or nothing in particular?

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 13:43:16

Just prefers to be at home with mummy I think. This morning she was particularly distressed as another baby wouldn't stop crying. Am starting to think about resigning and staying at home with her full time and leaving DD1 in nursery. LO could try again next year. We're on week three and she is making progress but is weeks off doing full days. She fell asleep on her key worker this morning with pure exhaustion having cried for over two hours.

I know she could get there in the end if we persist, but it wouldn't necessarily be fair on her. Will reconsider at the end of next week. Going to keep going with at least half days until then. She would be better in a CM situation but (a) I can't afford one and (b) after the last experience I al not sure that I will trust another. Mine had the best reputation in the area and she was a real cunt, if you'll excuse my French.

Pikz Tue 10-Sep-13 15:18:41

And I think I would prefer to be home with mummy too. What a hard one. You can only go with you gut instinct on what is right for them.

L doing the impression of the perfect baby today. Amazing. I have got so much done and sorted. Most importantly have had an amazing time with him. With no whinging, crying or anything. Just awesome day. Am writing this so when I look back I can see we had amazing days when I am having a truly crap one.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 15:23:27

I wouldn't. There is far more for her to do there, it is much more interesting. Remember we don't have baby groups here, so other than take her out pottering there is nothing I can do with her, as I know no SAHM. She is far better off at nursery, I just hope she realises it before we give. I am a much better SAHM when there are no children at home. But if it really is too distressing I will of course stop it.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 15:37:09

I just took her to the shops and she screamed hysterically as soon as anyone stopped to chat to her. She was not like that before sad

ChasingDaisy Tue 10-Sep-13 15:46:00

Oh peaches that is difficult. I guess if you can see improvements, however small, it is worth persevering with? She won't remember this time and it sounds although it will be worth it in the end. Glad DD1 is settled though smile. Have you seen her benefit from nursery?

So, a better day here today. Kicked off with a lovely package and card from peaches which made me cry. Took O to our first group at the children's centre today. He rode forward facing for the first time which he loved - chatting the whole way there to goodness knows what. I felt a bit odd though. My baby is growing up. The last time we went to a baby group like this was 3 months ago and he was very shy and clingy but he totally surprised me today. He was the most confident, chatty, smiley baby in the room. Goodness knows how he got so confident but I was so proud. There was another baby there with the same date of birth as O and I got chatting to some nice mums. As it was the first session of term there were some other newbies which was nice. There was an 8 month old who was the spitting image of your R pjdj grin

I have also just come off the phone from booking my first driving lesson. Drivers of MK, you may want to avoid the roads at 10am on 7th Oct grin

ChasingDaisy Tue 10-Sep-13 15:47:12

Although I wont actually be let loose on proper roads will I? confused

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 15:56:42

I had my first lesson on a quiet housing estate, so it won't be too scary chasing

DD1 has already started to change since going to nursery. She's grown up very quickly, is pretty tired but obviously loves it. And her speech is better too. She is thriving, apart from the snottiness.

ChasingDaisy Tue 10-Sep-13 16:23:26

That's brilliant about DD1. I popped into the local nursery today (attached to the children's centre/primary school). Am thinking about starting O at a session a week at some point before his first birthday. That's when I hope to go back to work and I really think it will help his confidence.

TheDetective Tue 10-Sep-13 17:04:10

Thank you for the good luck smile

Did half a day today. I feel fucked. hmm I'm aching all over, but mostly in the fanjo hmm. Which is ridiculous. I didn't actually do any clinical work. Just updated on changes, sorted out shifts for the next 6 weeks, annual leave, return to work and risk assessments. hmm I'm not very happy with my work but I'll update that on FB.

Of course - the inevitable happened last night. O spent 2 hours screaming just after I had gone to bed. Then started screaming again at 6.30. So I think I got maybe 4 hours sleep by the time I calmed down enough to actually sleep.

I just typed a long moany post about the rest of my day, but you know what. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme, does it?

Thanks for the reassurance about O! I have been watching him and I think he does show some signs of SA, but only if there is no one else in the room when I leave. He is content enough if someone is around. Unless it is me he specifically wants. Which he does. So I guess it isn't as severe as some, but must still be there. Will keep watching grin.

I'm still torn over the childcare options. I like the idea of MIL having him as I know he will be loved and fussed over.

But I am finding it hard to not ask too many questions. If that makes sense.

For example, on Friday when we did a test run, he came back with a graze on one side of his head, and about 5 small bruises on his face, all the same size and shape. I'm pretty sure he must have kept banging his face on the same thing. But I was hoping MIL would have told DP what happened so if we were asked, we would know. I don't feel comfortable asking, as I feel it is accusatory almost?

Today he has a sore bum, I want to ask MIL was it like that this morning. But feel I can't. Where as I would just ask a CM straight out, as it is more business like.

I just feel like I need to know everything, as his mum, and that I don't like not knowing things.

Does that make sense? I know it is silly, as we have free childcare. Guess I'm being glass half empty here!

Donnadoon Tue 10-Sep-13 17:19:01

No Det YANBU to want to know how he acculmelated his bruises and bumps and sore bum...perhaps ask him in a sing song voice infront of her " ooh what have you done to your face?" Or if DP collects he MUST ask her.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 17:24:25

I would ask anything you would ask a childminder but with a smile and far more casually. You are massively lucky to have free childcare of course, but at the same time you do kind of need to know about bumps and bruises. With the red bum you can say something like I noticed his bum is a bit sore, do you think we should put more cream on it. Asking for her opinion will flatter her. It's not manipulation but it's just careful if you are worried about being too confrontational.

TheDetective Tue 10-Sep-13 17:27:34

Last time it was DP who picked him up, and he said he would ask her. But he hasn't.

I'm not concerned - but I wanted to get him weighed this week, and think it would look odd if I don't know how he got 5 bruises and a graze to his face. So just want to know so I can answer if asked!

His sore bum is less of a concern, pretty sure it is due to teeth, but as a parent of a really little one, you feel you should know!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 17:28:03

DD1 has been learning manners at nursery. She keeps shaking my hand and saying Bonjour. They don.t let her leave until she has waved bye bye at the group either. And instead of coming and kissing me on the lips she sticks her cheek out and air kisses me on both cheeks, French style. It's so cute but a little disconcerting.

PurplePidjin Tue 10-Sep-13 18:25:40

Peaches that sounds rough. Separation anxiety? I would be tempted to try lo again in a couple of months sad

Ooh, R has a twin?!

Glad you had a good one, Pikz grin

We had a nice day. All the "bigger" babies turned up to feeding group, normally R is the oldest. Swapped numbers with a couple i haven't seen very often - including my friend due next month whose house has just flooded, bringing down her 2yos ceiling which may contain asbestos. I'm seeing her tomorrow to lend her my maternity clothes and might go through R's toys to see if there is anything for her ds. They're living in hotels, don't always know if they'll have somewhere to stay that night, and can't take anything from home in case of dust sad my mum's just checking my hand-me-down bag that lives at hers for clothes that might fit her ds. What a nightmare!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 19:11:27

Yes, I think separation anxiety. I will lose the place if I withdraw her, so need to be sure re work etc. At the end of next week I will consider the options.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 19:13:06

God that must be a nightmare pidj bad enough at any time but awful when pregnant sad

PurplePidjin Tue 10-Sep-13 19:30:07

I know sad I've got jeans, linen trousers, 2x leggings, 2x tights, 3x nighties, 2x tunics, a frock, a lightweight jumper and half a dozen tee shirts. Not all maternity but fitted me all through and won't mind a bit of stretch. Plus a few toys and some books R isn't quite old enough for yet. Plus an age 2-3 designer jumper i got in a car boot recently that might do. It has a spider on, her ds is a spiderman fan! I thought about a charity shop trawl but really can't afford it sad

Passmethecrisps Tue 10-Sep-13 19:39:55

Beans and mashed potato is a perfectly reasonable dinner? Or have I just burned my mumsnet membership?

Glad today was ok det. I was so confused reading your post as while I was reading it I got a text from a colleague which appeared at the top of the screen. I was reading it and then skimmed onto your bit about having a sore fanjo. I was all hmm why does he have a sore fanjo?

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 19:40:15

Do they have insurance?

Passmethecrisps Tue 10-Sep-13 19:41:34

pp sad that sounds awful. I would have thought ss would have been able to help in some way. Although maybe not

Lily311 Tue 10-Sep-13 19:48:11

Oh pidj how awful. I hope she has insurance?
pr I think O would behave the same way as your little one, she is not happy with lots of other people and with people she doesn't know. She is friendly but if she can't touch me than she becomes tearful.
det I would ask MIL. you want to know what happened. I always ask my mum about things, she doesn't take it as an offence thankfully.

chasing way to go with driving licence. Thankfully I will still be in Hungary on the 7th ;).

We are back in the UK on the 10th Oct for 2 weeks and planning to meet up with chasing either on the 16th or 18th. Anyone wants to join us and make it a quiche meeting?

I had a bad day today, not sure what triggered it. Just felt so down. But it's over now, I feel much better. I texted a mum I met last week and we are meeting up tomorrow morning with the kids. There is a 'neighbouring' day on Saturday in the complex where I live, the management company organises it to meet each other. I actually can't wait, will be nice to meet some of my neighbours.

And dishwasher is getting fixed on Friday afternoon. I'm debating whether to just use up all my plates from now on or still do the washing up grin.

Pikz Tue 10-Sep-13 20:17:42

PP how awful. You are being an amazing friend.

Ginger I really hope she settles soon. I'm dreading starting Ls settling in for those reasons.

Lily big hugs

Chasing can't wait to hear about lessons!

StuntNun Tue 10-Sep-13 20:24:26

J is asleep. We did controlled crying and he cried for two and a half minutes before falling asleep. Beginners' luck perhaps? Let's see how the midnight screamathon goes before we start counting our chickens. According to the Troublesome Tots website we were doing it all wrong so there have been some major changes today. Currently trying to get DS1 and DS2 to bed without waking J.

Lily311 Tue 10-Sep-13 20:29:58

What do you mean you were doing it wrong?

fruitpastilles Tue 10-Sep-13 20:43:59

I've just read that link stunt S has become increasingly difficult at bed time and throughout the night. I do lots of the things on the list, ie; still feeding to sleep (well used to until she decided sleep is for the weak) she has a dummy and I rock her. I am going to definitely have ago at changing the bedtime routine for a week and see what happens. It can't get much worse than it is now. She's only just gone down. This is the baby who used to go down at 6:30 reliably every night and sleep until 5:30 with just one dummy wake up. Now she wakes up about a million times and has started ending up in our bed, just so I can get a few hours.

Pikz Tue 10-Sep-13 20:50:36

Interesting stunt on the give bottle 20 mins before bed. He always has his bottle last. Wondering should we move this? He seems to have lost all self settling capability.

TheDetective Tue 10-Sep-13 21:00:49

I don't want to upset the apple cart on that one - and I don't want to say anything because if I do I KNOW I will jinx it and it will all fuck up.

But... the last thing I do is feed him, sometimes he falls asleep with the bottle. Sometimes not.

Do you remember the last time I moaned/worried/whinged about rocking a gigantic baby? It's been a good few weeks now.

It's working for us. I didn't change anything or do anything different. O just 'got' it.

If he hadn't just got it all of a sudden, I'd probably give the change a go though.

For us, it seems (bar teeth) the sleep/self settling/sleeping through the night/sleeping til a reasonable after 7 time in the morning all happened together.

I am so hoping whatever you are doing tonight works Stunt. Please please please post your tips on FB in case Izzy doesn't see it! smile

Pidg that was awesome sleep from R last night! smile

Also, wow, how tough on your friend. Is she insured? I really hope so.

MsJupiterJones Tue 10-Sep-13 21:19:33

Sounds like a good start Stunt. Like Det, L seems to have 'got it' in the last few weeks. Don't want to jinx it but he seems to have been able to self-settle a few times before I've got to him, not all the time but enough to give me hope. Anyway I hope very much you have a good night and it is a turning point.

L had his check today, he's 10.5mo now and the HV was very happy with his development and probably quite weary with enthusiastic pfb mum listing all his achievements . His weight is now on the 50th centile! Unbelievable considering he was so far below the 0.4th and his weight was such a worry for such a long time. He is 9th for height which has increased, I hope he grows to be a reasonable height as he has a tall daddy and v tall relatives which I think could be hard if he turns out to be a shorty. I am 5'3" so I'm sure he'll blame me if he is!

Eliza I hope E is doing well on the powder you're adding to her food, I always think of you when we have a weigh in.

DH has been 'babyproofing' but has chucked all the stuff he's moved on to the dining table. I am trying to smile nicely grin

Evilwater Tue 10-Sep-13 21:23:14

Hello all,
chasing glad to read your feeling better.
det sorry to red your work is not good.

Nick has been wonderful today. His behavour has been amazing. The only down side is my tongue has been stinging all day. It's just the tip and the sides. angry


YellowWellies Tue 10-Sep-13 21:26:22

Det I'm with you a wee bit - our sleep went totally to pot for about 2-3 weeks right on cue for the 9 month sleep regression and we have changed NOTHING night time routine and it's better than it ever has been (only had two wake ups last night due to teeth) but normally he's down at 8pm and up for the day after 7.30am (and this morning up after 9am!) with one waking a night maybe 3 nights a week and sleeping through the rest. So for many of the wee ones once they get through this regression they could sleep better than they ever have, IF the regression is the issue. We do all of the no-nos on that list - feed to sleep, feed on demand in the night, have never left him to cry and rock and sing him to sleep if needs be and if that's the 'wrong thing' then damn the results are worth it (and maybe I should start a counter site saying it's the 'right thing')! I don't like sites that tell you you're doing parenting wrong as there is no one size fits all and they just undermine folks confidence and trust in ourselves. What I'm trying to say is don't panic if your sleep has suddenly gone to shit, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater and changing stuff that has previously worked, then maybe bear with it for a few weeks to get yourself through and you may well find that everything rights itself as they emerge out the other side of the regression anyway?

PP your poor pal - that's awful.

My cousin and his Mrs are at the labour ward round the corner from us tonight after being induced... fingers crossed the bear will have a new cousin by the time we wake up. There's been a few health scares around this baby (weekly scans as there appears to be twice as much fluid as there should be and there are worries about problems with the babies oesophagus) so please all keep yer fingers and toes crossed.

Evilwater Tue 10-Sep-13 21:26:22

I forgot to add I love watching breaking bad. But what's the deal with the pink bear?


TheDetective Tue 10-Sep-13 21:56:15

Pass That must have been a very odd image grin.

Men having fanjo's. Bit odd grin.

PurplePidjin Tue 10-Sep-13 22:06:13

MsJJ that's fantastic thanks

Stunt R just "got it" with help from my hybrid method hmm last week. Work and him suddenly needing an earlier bedtime fucked it up but he's there again now i hope. Down at 6:15, resettled at 6:45, not a peep since. I suspect separation anxiety for the 4am screamathon, plus teeth niggles. Hopefully he'll soon drop it/grow out of it smile

Kyz Tue 10-Sep-13 22:11:11

Evening all!

E has been very cuddly today, made me wonder if he's coming down with something as he usually likes a quick cuddle but he sat with me for a good 10 mins being cradled. Odd! Enjoyed the cuddle anyhow!

Bless her pr sad she really is finding it tough isn't she sad I hope things settle down for her and she starts to enjoy it as it sounds like she would benefit from being there in the long run.

Glad today was a better one chasing smile o sounds a complete delight! My first lesson was on a quiet housing estate too smile

det I would definitely want to know, just because!!! I always ask when e has been at mils or my mums but usually they'd tell me anyway probably cos if they don't I ring them lol. Glad today was ok smile

Aw pidj that sounds really tough, ESP since she's pregnant too, gosh what a nightmare! Lovely of you to help out though

Hugs lily glad you're feeling much better now. If I weren't such a social retard I'd love to meet you guys

Hope you have a good night stunt

Sounds like l is doing brill jj!!

N sounds like a treasure evil smile

Everything crossed here for your cousin and partner yw smile

Kirrin Tue 10-Sep-13 22:18:48

I have read but cannot possibly comment on everything in the time I have to post!

Good luck with the move pennie

Thanks for the "Next" tip pikz - I have been looking online for some cheapie winter bits with no luck so that's good to know. And I have Next voucher!

Cuddles to Piglet bplp - hope she's feeling better.

I am currently in the Netherlands with a bit of a crap Internet connection, hence the lack of posting. I do miss catching up on what you're all up to when I miss a day or two.
I know am guilty of moaning when I don't really have much to moan about so I apologise for that, and I promise to stop thanks

I had to change a stinky nappy earlier and commented to DP that it was "the mother of all nappies" How wrong was I?! About 2 hours later she produced another one that took both of us to contain, a shower and a complete change of outfit. It was down both legs and into her socks shock Lucky she's cute really smile

Pikz Tue 10-Sep-13 22:36:29

Waving at kirrin and Kyz.

Off to Bedfordshire with me. Hoping for another successful sleep but we shall see.

StuntNun Tue 10-Sep-13 22:46:19

We've never had good sleep YW but now that the reflux and egg allergy are controlled it seems to be an appropriate time to start sleep training. Lily the website I linked to isn't prescriptive, but basically the advice from it was ditch the dummies and stop feeding to sleep. So J had bath - pjs - feed - teeth - sleeping bag - story in cot - night night and left without a dummy. Previously he would have finished his bedtime routine being fed to sleep then transferred to his cot with the dummy in. Day 1 of controlled crying starts tonight. Hopefully I won't be a sobbing mess tomorrow morning!

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 10-Sep-13 22:51:43

Sounds really tough pr. DD1 has been a dream to settle at any nursery/pre school she has gone too. BUT E is a completley different kettle of fish and as DH put's it, is a mummy wuss. So I'll be interested to see what she's like when it comes to settling in nursery. I really hope she get's it in the next week or so.

JJ That's fantastic about L. Well done him and give yourself a big pat on the back too. E is eating well so hopefully the powder will give her the calorie boost she needs.

GT Hope you're ok. Can't believe how close you are to due date. Time flies.

kirrin Enjoy the netherlands.

det Glad today went well.

pp How awful. Sounds like you are doing all you can. You're a good friend.

lily and chasing I'd so like to join you on a meet. But DD1 will be at nursery so I'll need to arrange for someone to look after her for a bit and drop her off. I'd quite happily take her out for a day but she's starting a new nursery and they are really strict about time off. Wankers. I think I should be able to decide when I take my child out of nursery. Anyway, I'm digressing, will see what I can do!

Took the girls swimming today which seemed to wipe them both out. DD1 asked to go to bed at 7pm, and E wasn't far after. Will take them more often if that's the result.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 10-Sep-13 22:52:59

stunt Good luck. I am crossing everything for you and throwing tons of sleepy dust J's way.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 10-Sep-13 22:57:41

Oh and meant to say yw Am sending masses of positive vibes your way. I really hope all is ok and look forward to hearing the news.

Right, memory of a sieve tonight obviously. I shall take myself to bed. Night all x

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 22:57:50

DD1 my nap dodger did a three hour nap at nursery. It is now almost midnight and she is chatting away. Thanks nursery. Will be telling them to cut it down to 90 minutes max tomorrow. I wish she'd nap so reliably for me. She has spent the evening telling me all about nursery. Well, showing. Her favourite toy there is the mini kitchen with plastic dishes and food. I wonder where she gets that from.

Sending positive vibes to yw's cousin. Am sooo glad that is never going to happen to me again. I was induced with dd1. Got epiduraled very quickly (the norm here) and ended up emcs anyway. Trying 'naturally' was a last minute decision.

Are you on work or hols kirrin ? Is it as damp there as it is in the rest of Benelux? Feeling v autumnal here. Did mac 'n' cheese this evening to celebrate the cold weather grin

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 23:00:14

Oh and good luck stunt I have very firmly crossed my fingers for you flowers

GTbaby Tue 10-Sep-13 23:21:30

Evil pink teddy. Can't tell you with out spoiling it. Lol

Stunt thanks for that link. Lo is going to bed later n later recently. Never had a routine. He doesn't bath every day. There is no space in his room for a chair. So story time is hard. Could do it in my room I guess.
Something to consider ASAP. Before bump arrives!

Chasing also considering starting lo at day care attached to the sure start for 1or2 sessions a week. Benefits -
- time alone for me with baby
-social interaction for lo
- full time day care next year won't be such a shock
- I get out of the house lol to drop/pick up.
I'm the higher earner and with 2nd year of maternity pay we dont have alot of disposable income. But FH agrees that it's money well spent.

So much to think about.
Random thought. Must add bake well tarts to my hospital snack bag list wink

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 23:26:46

GT when I was 8m pregnant with LO I put DD1 into nursery four mornings a week including lunch until LO was 5 months old. It really helped me bond with LO and have the energy for DD1 the rest of the time. Despite the winter illnesses I don't regret it at all. Well worth thinking about.

I gave LO a bath today. First time I have done it. DH normally does baths. My back is wrecked.

GTbaby Wed 11-Sep-13 00:50:17

Oh and need advice on blood tests.
FH has said a few times that lo is a lil bow legged. But we dismissed it as he has very chunky legs.
At gp today we bought it up. So dr wants to check for rickets. Cue X-ray and blood tests.

I have to wrestle lo to wipe his nose, how do I get him to sit still for blood rest and X-ray.
I'm even more worried about X-ray as I won't be aloud to go in. So need to give FH as much advice as possible before hand.

As with giving calpol FH thinks best way is to pin down arms and force open mouth. However lo is alot better if u just distract him with a toy and then will happily open mouth and take small amounts slowly with no problems. I try to model this for FH rather then moan at him. But worry he will revert to pinning down during blood test/X-ray and upset lo. Am I being all pfb?

Kirrin Wed 11-Sep-13 02:25:37

I'm on hols peaches It is very damp indeed! Luckily there are several indoor options here smile

Bryzoan Wed 11-Sep-13 03:05:23

Gt - sorry to hear about your worries. Do his bit drops have vitamin d?

Dd has had to have lots of bloods and x-rays. She hates them. I am usually very gentle and pfb with her but usually find a firm cuddle/ hold the only way for them and kindest as it gets them over with most quickly. I sing to her too. With the bloods ask them about ametop / magic cream to numb the area. The x-ray will be very quickly but dd is scared of the machine. I would get dh to check it is in position before lo lies down so it doesn't move on top of him (this panicked dd at her first x-ray and I think is why she is still scared now). G has to have his first x-ray next month too as he is now too big for ultrasound for his hip checks. Hope all goes well for you results wise.

StuntNun Wed 11-Sep-13 07:18:22

J did 8-4.45 and I did 10.45-4.45. He went back in his cot after his usual 4ish feed and slept until 6.50 although he was scratching his eczema the poor wee thing. So we survived day 1! Two more nights before DH heads to the US for a week. Is there anything I should get him to bring back that's cheaper there? He has Saturday free. I was wondering about an iPod for DS1's birthday.

GT H should be getting enough vitamins from formula but it would definitely be worth giving vitamins as well. My DH is bow legged and he has to be careful buying trousers or they can look a bit odd. Also I would say you definitely need to establish a bedtime routine for H. It's not necessarily an issue now but when he's a toddler then the bedtime battles will begin. My DS1 is 10 and he still has a set bedtime (in bed for 8.30, lights out at 9) and a bedtime routine (no screens after 7.30, PJs on at 8 then some milk and toast or biscuits and a book - although he reads his own bedtime story now). Having a bedtime routine programmes children into going to sleep when you want. If you do it right then they almost can't help going to sleep after their bedtime routine is over - toddler battles notwithstanding.

Pikz Wed 11-Sep-13 08:18:13

Well done J and stunt.

I got frustrated and cried at 2.30 after an hour and a half awake screaming. I am just at a complete loss. It doesn't happen every night.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Wed 11-Sep-13 08:43:46

stunt that sounds like a big improvement.. Erm, I guess electronics in general and jeans, I believe. Clothes in general are cheaper over there, though maybe that is no longer the case for the UK since Matalan etc arrived.

Baaaaad night here (relatively, I guess). DD1 dropped off at about midnight. LO who starved herself of milk yesterday woke up at 2 and 5, happy but hungry. Went down again easily each time, but I am no longer used to night wakings.

The dog had the squits, on my bedroom floor, which I only realised after walking in it barefoot at 5am. So cleaned that up without waking the rest of the household (my fault, I gave him leftover mac 'n' cheese and it must have been too rich). Realised last night I was getting a cold and today am a shivery snot monster. I'd be happy to place a bet that the girls will have it at the weekend and DH will have it too. It's not the worst cold ever but just bad enough for me to feel sorry for myself and feel that I deserve a fried cheese and bacon sandwich.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 11-Sep-13 09:15:54

Sounds much better stunt. How did discussions on Sunday go?

Sorry about your fanjo det, I hope O gave you a good sleep last night. Are you straight back into shift?

pass beans and mash ip with a bit of grated cheese if appropriate sis a fine meal. We rediscovered it a couple of weeks ago. O loves it.

I have very sadly just made a cottage pie before the day begins. I am off to try a toddler group this morning. A bit nervous, I would find it all too easy to stay up here on the hill and pootle round with the kids just seeing family. But really I should go and see if there are any friends to make. hmm

YellowWellies Wed 11-Sep-13 09:30:35

GT good luck for x-ray I'm sure the nurses will advise FH on how to hold H. As for medicine giving - you're exactly right - distract, distract, distract. We give medicine twice a day every day and the advice we were given was NEVER to pin down a baby and administer medicine when they're crying as you risk them aspirating the medicine into their lungs which can lead to pneumonia and even drowning! Better not to give a non essential medicine like calpol than to injure him. Give FH a smack from me!

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 09:46:48

Good luck sophia! I braved my first group yesterday and as it was the start of term there were plenty of other newbies.

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 09:48:42

If a guy texts you first thing in the morning it means he's been thinking about you, right? I've been playing it cool with non-date guy and haven't text for a few days. Was going to text him tonight but he beat me to it grin

Does anyone have any recommendations for a savings account I can set up for C? I was talking to my mum yesterday about his birthday and Christmas and there is really nothing he needs. I will get a few small presents but it will be spending for the sake of it. My mum said she will give me some money to put in an account and then when he needs new shoes, clothes etc I can draw the money out and go and get what he needs. My grandparents will probably do the same. We're not talking a huge amount of money though and I would need instant access to it or access within a short time frame. Any ideas?

Good luck with the xray gt I hope it goes ok. Will try to catch up with the thread later, I'm at work until 5.30.

Kyz Wed 11-Sep-13 10:32:43

Morning everyone, still not sure I'm completely awake tbh, though I'm not sure why!

Don't be silly kirrin, I think everyone moans a little here and there and issues for one person might seem insignificant to another but they're all still issues and still valid. So if you want to moan, go ahead! Fwiw I don't think you moan much at all!

gt sounds like it would be beneficial for lo to go to nursery once or twice a week smile I definitely wouldn't be wrestling lo to administer meds, I distract e with singing or giving him something to hold and do a little at a time, seems to work ok for us though it can take a little while to get it all into him sometimes. Usually he is very good though.

Sounds like a much improved sleep stunt for both of you smile

Oh pikz sad massive hugs and pr that doesn't sound much fun at all!

Good luck at the group sophia

Indeed chasing smile

Hope you find something suitable apple

StuntNun Wed 11-Sep-13 10:50:34

Apple if you can afford to put some in every month then a Halifax Regular Saver pays 6%, otherwise the best account is the Halifax Young Saver which pays 3% iirc.

DH was 'spoken to' by his mum and dad Sophia but he hasn't discussed anything with me. He has definitely dialled things down a notch and DS1 and DS2 are happier as a result. If J's sleep training goes well and we get the house move done then hopefully stress levels will drop down again and it will be easier for us all to get along.

Peaches jeans are a good idea as DH has lost loads of weight over the summer so he could treat himself to some new clothes. I looked up iPod prices on Amazon but there actually isn't as much difference between prices as there used to be. If he buys another guitar I'll wring his neck!

J is asleep in his cot - honestly I don't know myself! Maybe he was in sleep regression all that time or maybe this is a one off. I've made a huge could barely get the lid on stew in the slow cooker so that's dinner sorted.

Kirrin Wed 11-Sep-13 11:02:24

Thanks kyz smile

GT I have no experience of X-rays, but DD1 has had a couple of blood tests now. They put a cream on them, leave it for an hour and then distract distract distract while they take the blood. She has been totally unaware they have done it both times [grins]

Good luck sophia smile

YellowWellies Wed 11-Sep-13 11:50:38

Just been to Jo Jingles baby music group with the bear and I think I'm not cut out for baby groups. So saccharin! The poor franchisee hosting the group looked like she was dying inside talking in a sing song voice to glove puppets. When am I allowed to take him to the pub instead!!!!!! We got the last 4 weeks of term for £12 but eegad we're not going back next term. Plus its harder when they move, he kept nonchalantly crawling off, thoroughly disinterested in the singing and dancing, to go and rob toys out of the toy box!

My cousin's Mrs had a wee girl this morning after typical transverse lie / pointless 2 hours of pushing / EMCS clusterfuck birth. I hope she's not gutted as she's v proud of her natural delivery of her DD1 and had hoped this one would be straightforward despite a very complicated pregnancy. Thankfully it seems LO hasn't got any oesophagus problems smile smile smile smile .

Stunt awesome news on both sleep and DH smile .

Tea (veg Rogan Josh) is already cooked. What to do with the rest of a dreich day? hmm

GTbaby Wed 11-Sep-13 12:08:48

Thanks for tips folks. Gp gave numbing cream. Will give FH iPad as distraction.

Right really need your advice. On being induced. And I want your advice based on your thoughts. Not based on how I'm coming across.

Basically I'm having itchy hands arms feet. All symptoms of OC , a liver condition in preg.
Ds1 I got itchy at 37weeks and was booked in for induction 2days later and had dS1 at 38 weeks.
This preg. Start itching 4weeks ago. Weekly monitoring and blood tests. Tests show my bile acid is normal. It's when results get high they get cautious and medically induce.

Dr did say. If I want inducing he was happy to do a sweep today and two more over nxt week.

What would you do?

YellowWellies Wed 11-Sep-13 12:17:15

If you're worried I'd have an induction. It does increase the risk of complications and medical intervention but being worried is probably worse. If possible I wouldn't want LO until after 36 weeks as their lungs aren't quite finished and having a wee baby is scary in itself (it's a lot harder to establish BF as they don't have the suckle reflex until 37 weeks).

YellowWellies Wed 11-Sep-13 12:23:27

Its not impossible to BF before 37 weeks but it is harder and you need lots of support so maybe factor that into your thinking.

How many weeks are you now gt? If full term then I would probably opt for induction.

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 12:30:54

GT I was induced at 39 weeks so if you want any advice about the actual induction process I'm happy to help x

GTbaby Wed 11-Sep-13 13:15:13

Chasing how were you induced? As I think if it was a medical induction I'd be happier. As once pessary is in your on your way. But with just a sweep I'm a lil nervous.

Sry I'm drip feeding. But here is the emotional side of it. Some of you will remember this.
The reason I'm apprehensive is I really delt badly with internal exams last time. And the thought of going through again is scary.
Like why am I putting myself through it when nothing is technically wrong. My bloods are normal. Baby's monitoring is fine. Movement is regular. Have a scan later to check baby is fine.

Didn't help that I had a male dr, and male student dr AND FH in room. N I seemed judged for not wanting a sweep. Dr said "well your obviously not that worried about the baby" which set me off crying and made me feel worse. The student dr was nice to me though.

I know FH wants me to just have the sweep. But he isn't saying it.


How regularly are they going to be monitoring you gt? If you are uncomfortable with being induced and there is no need to be at the moment then hold on but get checked out at regular intervals in case anything changes at which point you can reassess.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 11-Sep-13 13:25:33

gt if in doubt go in, you know the drill. Good luck. Xx

Keeping everything crossed for you stunt that things are on the up.

yw don't take this the wrong way but you remind me of my mum. Is the language you use and her outlook on the world always makes me think that is what she would think/say. And coincidentally the other week when you were talking about being a blue stocking, only a few few days after that my dad said in conversation about my mum ( which is rare since he has remarried sad ) .. "...she was a bit of a blue stocking really" . Is not something that often comes up in conversation.

Toddler/baby group was fine. Everyone was really friendly and someone introduced themselves as being in DHs class at school! hmm . They served sacks (toast, tea,and scones) at 11:30 though and the has upset Os routine abit. He had some snack, so didn't want lunch. Was knackered so went straight to bed and hasn't really settled. I will give him 10 more mins and if he doesn't snooze he can have some soup and have a catch up half an hour later.

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 13:34:34

GT, I had 3 sweeps first. 3 days apart if I remember rightly. Caused a couple of mild contractions but nothing more. So went in for medical induction. Went in at 11. Fetal heart rate monitored. Pessary at 1pm. Contractions started immediately. Waters broke 4.30pm. Moved to delivery room. Then a few hazy hours of contractions and gas & air. 8.30pm epidural and hormone drip as my contractions were doubling up and not regular (I refused to have the drip unless I had an epidural) Oscar born 4 hours later. 11.5 hours from pessary to baby.

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 13:38:28

Oh and I was induced due to concerns about his growth and a few episodes of reduced movement so I had to be attached to the monitor throughout the labour.

YellowWellies Wed 11-Sep-13 13:51:26

Sophia aww thanks! I think. Am assuming your Mum was lovely not an old battleaxe wink grin . Though I could certainly see the resemblance if that was the case.

GT you are perfectly within your rights to ask for a female doctor, no med students and FH out of the room at any point. The most important thing is for you to be calm and relaxed as labour needs oxytocin - a hormone that is stifled by stress. Look after yourself chick x

ditsygem Wed 11-Sep-13 13:55:38

GT I personally would hold out I think if you are scared of internals an induction birth with probably a fair amount of intervention is only going to make you tense and not an ideal frame of mind to be in for a gentle labour - but then I was totally against any intervention bar C-section last time and ended up with a 40 hour drug free labour followed by an emergency c-section so i have no experience of induction...I think if they are monitoring baby and you then I would wait until something changed or it happened naturally - but only you know if the wait is more stressful for you then just going in.

I just took F for his 2nd ever swimming lesson - the first was at 10 weeks and he screamed non stop then tried to sleep on me so we havn't ever gone back until now. This one was much better but he was still grizzly and cried towards the end but nothing too major.
For others who took their babies to swimming classes - how long does it generally take for them to be happy during it and not cry at all?

YellowWellies Wed 11-Sep-13 13:59:27

Ditsy Jonas still cries if tired or cold. The pool where our lesson is is over 35c so its usually fine. He's been since 15 weeks old but has always loved water so not sure what to suggest other than only go in after a nap or else here its WW3! smile

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 14:02:58

Yep, my induction did involve a fair amount of examinations etc.

I'm yet to take O swimming. Must sort that.

He was awesome today. We went to central MK for shopping and people watching. Someone approached me in Costa yes I have an addiction, don't judge me to tell me what a lovely smile he had. He spent the whole time bouncing on my legs and smiling and chatting away. A real happy chap. Thank god.

Solo cinema trip tonight.

Bryzoan Wed 11-Sep-13 14:04:56

Gt - how horrible of the dr. I would have cried too. Totally unfair. My understanding is that if your body is not ready a sweep is very unlikely to work. How many weeks are you again? I rhink I would get a second opinion and if there is genuine concern ask for a medical induction if you would prefer that rather than mess around with sweeps. Good luck.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Wed 11-Sep-13 14:05:29

GT I was induced with DD1. We tried a sweep on the Monday or Tuesday and it didn't do anything but leave me feeling violated, and I don't usually have issues with internals. It was a horrible experience. If you don't want a sweep, don't have one . They are NOT always effective but are always, at best, uncomfortable. At the start of my second pregnancy I told my OB GYN that he was never to do one again on me. Like those attempts to manually turn a breech or transverse baby I find it pretty barbaric for something which isn't reliable, all in the name of avoiding a c section hmm . Anyway...

It didn't work and I was induced a few days later with pessary then drips. Ended up with a c section anyway, but I don't think that was linked with the induction.

ditsygem Wed 11-Sep-13 14:06:30

Chasing that sounds like a lovely day with O. and from your earlier post - a text first thing in the morning is definitely a good sign! smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 11-Sep-13 14:09:21

chasing I envy you the solo cinema trip! I have always planned to and never got round toot. Doubt it will happen now. No cinemas. confused

Is ok yw she was ace, though could be scary, full of grit and determination, very loyal, a tad messy as she could always think of something more interesting to do so yeah good really. I like to talk about her but can't much because of the stepmother. I am flying back on Sat to meet up with some of that side of the family. I am looking forward to it.

Oliver up and having impromptu not in the routine soup!

Pikz Wed 11-Sep-13 14:13:42

Ditsy swimming took a couple of weeks but like YW he's been going since 14 weeks.

GT I had a sweep it wasn't too bad and started labour for me. I was relaxed and ready for it to start. What was barbaric was the attempted turning between my contractions but yours isn't breech so nothing to worry about.

Do what you feel is right xx

I had several sweeps when I was in labour because it wasn't progressing and they hoped that it might speed things up but they did nothing for me at all.

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 14:16:34

My feeling on sweeps is that they only work if you are ready anyway. I didn't actually find them too bad though and I was worried about internals.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 11-Sep-13 14:18:05

I had sweeps with 2 and three. One sweep worked for number 2 it took 2 for number 3 and number four all that was needed was a bit if jigging about at baby and toddler group!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 11-Sep-13 14:18:27

I agree chasing

YellowWellies Wed 11-Sep-13 14:25:10

Awww Sophia she sounds epic and a lot like my dear departed Mum. I love talking about her too - it helps keep the memories warm. brew to yer Mum xx

GT so I guess quiche wisdom is avoid induction if you have a choice and want to avoid internals. I'm guessing second time will be much easier though? I genuinely didn't notice internals once labour was underway blush hmm bucket fanny much? grin

StuntNun Wed 11-Sep-13 14:57:39

GT I'd say if you're not at full term then a sweep is probably pointless and given your trouble with internals last time it would probably be very unpleasant too. Why not let them keep monitoring you for OC and if you are having signs of it then ask to start with the pessary or drip.

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 15:05:17

I have a crawler! He can only crawl backwards, but still, he's on the move!

Kyz Wed 11-Sep-13 16:05:33

Still need to catch up but am fed up today! Whinge whine whinge sodding whine all sodding day so far. Bed time will be welcomed this evening!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Wed 11-Sep-13 16:54:41

Here too kyz and DD1 has only been home 20 minutes.

LO had a fall earlier on. Wasn't sure whether to take her to the Dr or not, decided against it, and she's fine apart from a bit of a bruise on her forehead. I was eating and she was the other side of the sofa so I am not quite sure what happened, but she didn't land with a bang, it was her crying that alerted me, so she can't have hit her head too hard (wooden floors, makes quite a nasty noise when they hit their heads hard).

She slept for 15 minutes at the nursery (in the worker's arms) and an hour this afternoon. Still refusing food at nursery, and tomorrow we will do the same hours again. And very clingy this afternoon. Where has my superstar self soothing sleeping in cot baby gone?

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 17:22:11

What do nursery say about the situation with LO peaches?

I've burned my hand on a saucepan. Ouch.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Wed 11-Sep-13 17:27:05

Just to keep on at it but not increase hours until she is ready. Which is fine smile

fruitpastilles Wed 11-Sep-13 18:00:24

Sorry not caught up yet but just have a QQ, I know they can get red cheeks when teething, but do the cheeks go hot aswell? S has bright red burning hot cheeks and I just wanted to make sure that its teething and not something else.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Wed 11-Sep-13 18:03:44

I would check she doesn't have a temperature and give her some calpol if she looks uncomfortable. LO often gets hot flushed cheeks, but no fever, which I put down to teething.

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 18:04:33

oh bollocks, now he's trying to stand up...

fruitpastilles Wed 11-Sep-13 18:13:52

She doesn't have a temp, I've given her calpol anyway, think we are about to get tooth number 1!

TheDetective Wed 11-Sep-13 18:20:44

O had one hot bright red cheek when he got top tooth (tooth number 3) this week. smile

Chasing O crawled one day, pulled up to stand the next, and started cruising at that time too.

All happened together really!

Oh and climbed the stairs at that point too.

Just be glad you have no stairs! grin

I am feeling hungry. Beer Peaches package arrived today. Lots of yummy healthy recipes minus lashings of butter! to try out. I can't wait! There are some fab ones in there!

Am doing a cheesy pasta bake tonight from the SW magazine. Except the 'sauce' is made up of 3 eggs, 150g fat free natural yoghurt, 200g low fat cottage cheese, 75g parmesan and a tea spoon of mustard powder.

It looks gross. confused

Please taste good. <Wibble>

O has slept for 5 3/4 hours today. <Double wibble> his afternoon nap was 2-5.20! I hope he sleeps tonight!!!

He's in a lovely mood now though. smile

Donnadoon Wed 11-Sep-13 18:30:49

envy at receiving packages from peaches
The only packages I receive is shite I've bought and regretted off ebay

MissMummy1 Wed 11-Sep-13 19:04:37

Just a quickie as I haven't caught up yet and we have people coming soon, BUT those thinking ahead to Christmas or birthdays or needing clothes in the next size up <whistles nonchalantly> Vertbaudet are doing £15 off a £20 spend with either a free music set or colouring set with the voucher code 0628. This includes their sale stuff.

So basically, I just bought M £30s worth of pyjamas AND some music instruments for a fiver grin

Thanks for the code mm. C has been sleeping in only a nappy in the warm weather and has no PJs in his size so he needs some desperately. I'll take a look on their website. A bundle of Next trousers I bought off ebay arrived today. Paid about £6 including postage for four pairs and they look like new.

It was DP's day off today so he had C while I went to work. We all left the house at the same time and they took the dog out for a walk. I took C to the shop when I got home to give DP a bit of a break and we got some treats for the dog as it's his birthday tomorrow grin

PurplePidjin Wed 11-Sep-13 19:57:28

I'm expecting keyrings from vistaprint with the Raphael daydreaming angels, plus some ebay nappies. Hoping they both arrive in time for the christening on sunday - the keyrings are for the godparents and the nappies happen to be white; i only have 1 plain white one, pretty sure CitH will look crap under white velvet hmm

MsJupiterJones Wed 11-Sep-13 19:59:27

GT I was induced at 38 wks, sweeps & internals were the worst part and I am still affected by what happened so I understand your feelings. It sounds like the doctor was extremely unprofessional and unfair. From what I have read since, I wouldn't have the sweeps again as I think they only work if your body is beginning to be ready. Induction didn't work on me either and I had a CS - the baby just wasn't ready I think.

Chasing that is great about the crawling, L did the backwards crawling first too, very cute.

Great tip MM on the Vertbaudet, thank you.

ditsygem Wed 11-Sep-13 20:12:13

Thanks MM order just placed!

Kyz Wed 11-Sep-13 20:24:28

Right, going from where I left off this morning rather than my whinge from earlier today

wow stunt sounds like J is doing really well!

good news about your cousin yw congrats to them on the birth and i'm pleased there seems to be no oesophagus issues smile

gt I'm not sure re the induction but if you don't like internals perhaps it's best to wait? I wasn't induced so have no experience of sweeps or anything though! I definitely second yw though, if there's something happening you don't like, say so. If you want shot of FH at any point or you're not comfortable with whoever is in there, say so. I had said i'd have med students in there but then panicked about it and changed my mind. Luckily there were three other women giving birth at the exact same time, so the med students had plenty to look at!!

hope you enjoy the cinema chasing sounds like a great day today smile And have fun with the crawler, it's all hands on when they start moving at the speed of light and it won't be long now! E went from crawling to cruising in days, it just happened so fast!

pr e had a fall too, I didn't take him to the drs either and he seems ok, he whacked his head on the bath, he'd stood up against it and slipped just as i went to press his bath seat down to stick to the bottom of the bath sad Felt ever so guilty! He seems ok though but I do think it'll bruise. Hope LO is ok bless her. Before then though it's been whinge whinge whinge all sodding day, not eating much and just generally being pissed off. I hope your LO gets used to nursery soon bless her sounds like it's really thrown her sad

fc o goes down ok det smile

hope you get your parcels in time pp

thanks for the tip mm!!!

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 11-Sep-13 20:27:09

Cheers mm Am in shopping mode today so will get on their website. Now the weather has changed I need to buy E more clothes as all her 3-6 months are summer, bar a few items. Felt so funny buying stuff for 3-6 months when she's 10 months old! Still will be nice to see her in new clothes. I am so bored of all her stuff since she's been in it for what seems like forever, and a lot of it is DD1's hand me downs!

SO for an hour and a half today as I was in sole charge of 3 children. I looked after my niece for a bit who is 6 weeks old. She was absolutly perfect. DD1 was a bit of a pita as she kept wanting to hold her and generally playing up and E whined all the time I held her as she was jealous. Was so funny to see E being like that as she doesn't really view DD1 as competition. Have utmost respect to you GT for having another on the way with such a small age gap and to those of you with 3 DC's. I would really like a third but it did make me realise I would have to wait a while until DD1 is at school which means E will then be at pre school.

Passmethecrisps Wed 11-Sep-13 20:52:02

We had first steps!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Wed 11-Sep-13 20:57:36

LO showed her first signs of jealousy today too. I was holding a whiney dd1 while lo was in her high chair, eating, and lo started throwing her food and holding her arms up to me. French children aren't supposed to throw food.

My cold is horrible this evening so am off to bed.

Night quiche.

PurplePidjin Wed 11-Sep-13 21:22:08

Hurrah, Pass grin

I've got 2 friends interested in me doing some ad hoc nannying now. One with twins a month younger than R. Now that could be fun hmm

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 11-Sep-13 21:24:10

I'm so sorry peaches but that really did make me giggle (the throwing food bit, not about your cold). Bless your lo. Sleep tight and hope you feel better tomorrow.

woop woop for P pass. I bet she looks so cute toddling along. I wish I could meet her. I think she's so adorable.

Disclaimer...I think all quiche babies are adorable but I do have a soft spot for wee p.

Evilwater Wed 11-Sep-13 21:32:40

I'm jelous pass n just dosn't want to walk.

N and I have stated manly at home, as he slept 730-0810, with a few wakings. He then got very tired at 10 ish, and would not sleep to 11, and then woke at 1. So a sleepy restful day.

Tomorrow I have to work nights, so ill go into town and have a nose. Then sleep in the afternoon.

chasing glad to read things are looking up for you.
big hope the pox goes soon.
gt good luck
det hope your work is better.

E il

Kirrin Wed 11-Sep-13 21:46:41

Thanks for the vertbaudet code MM - I love their stuff.

No experience of sweeps GT but if you're nervous of internals then I'd steer clear unless you have to. You're well within your rights to ask for an induction, and you're being closely monitored anyway. What the doctor said to you was vile and unfair sad

Yay for first steps pass smile

Ad hoc nannying sounds good PP are you going to take them up on it?

That's the sort of age gap I was thinking eliza A friend just announced she's expecting her third today and I realised I was actually proper jealous! So I guess I can conclude that I really do want 3. Which is a shame as DP doesn't!

TheDetective Wed 11-Sep-13 21:53:34

Well done P!! Now the fun really begins pass?!

O was practicing his walking today. He decided he wanted to keep one foot in the same spot, and walk around it?! Weird child, just walking on the spot round and round!

Then he was walking between me and DP. Except he would only walk to me. Not to DP. He would turn around and grab hold of me and refuse to go anywhere!

I definitely have a mummies boy on my hands there. hmm

Despite mammoth napping, he went to bed just after 8. No problem. shock

grin at LO peaches! The dog is the jealous one in this house grin.

Evil How are you finding nights with having a baby? I have my first one's in October. Dreading it. Mostly due to DP not waking to O.

MM Thanks for the tip!

I would like advice on DS1. I will do a separate post!

Evilwater Wed 11-Sep-13 22:03:39

det he has to wake, cause the babies will only get louder. I do worry when N has been difficult, but apart from that P does the nights anyway so it's not different to any other day.
The only things that does bother me is the amount of milk P wants to give n, and weather P puts n to sleep at his bed time. I'm only doing one or two nights a week, so dosn't hurt.

Since being back at work, p is taking more interest in n and interacting with him more. It's not loads, but it's a start.


Elizadoesdolittle Wed 11-Sep-13 22:13:18

kirrin I remember that feeling from when I had DD1. Everytime someone told me they were pregnant I was so envious. I have lots of pregnant friends at the moment and so far haven't felt that way. I think the fact that although E is 10 months, she's so tiny so seems like a baby still so the thought of having a newborn now just doesn't compute. I think your DD1 is a bit younger than mine if I recall. My DD1 is 4 in Jan so will be starting big school next Sept. But my DH also doesn't want another although I reckon I could persude him too, somehow.

yw I have been thinking of your cousion and looking out for news from you. Hope alls well.

TheDetective Wed 11-Sep-13 22:16:22

Okay, so since starting high school last week, DS1 has made one particular friend. I think this is because he is in his form, and lives close, so they walk to school/home together.

Monday night I got a text from this boys mum. To cut a long story short, it was DS1's night at his dads (his Dad lives in the town centre, about 2 miles from me). The mum thought the boy was at mine. Obvs he wasn't. I rang her to speak to her as I assumed she would want to know where her son was.

Turns out that both this boy, and DS1 had walked back to the boys house after school, and had wanted to walk to town together and go to subway confused. DS1 knows he would not be allowed to do this. As far as I was concerned his Dad should have picked him up directly from school at the end of the day.

I rang his Dad to clarify what was going on, and where they were. His dad was quite short with me, but they were at his flat, and had not walked to town thank fuck or anything else. I didn't get any more answer than that. His dad knows I wouldn't allow DS to walk/hang around town at this point.

Then, yesterday they both turned up at my house after school. DS1 knows the rules. The rules are that he must check with me in advance if he can have a friend over after school. He didn't do this. I was stood upstairs trying to get O to sleep when they arrived. I was in my PJ's and braless hmm. Also, it had been my first day back at work!! I wasn't very happy.

I let his friend come in any way, as I didn't want DS1 to not have a friend.

Well. Fucking hell. The boy is so INTENSE. In your face, rude, smart arsed. Larger than life, and speaking way past his years. confused hmm

His parents turned up a few hours later to collect him - I had made him ring his mum to tell her where he was and check he was okay to be here. He was so rude to his mum, properly cheeky. And they just let him act like it. I was cringing in my fucking PJ's still as O wouldn't stop whinging yesterday afternoon.

The boy is very intense, doesn't stop talking, and I find it hard to believe that my DS1 likes him. But it seems so.

So, they arranged to meet down the road to walk to school this morning. Except at 7.55 the boy turned up at my house. While I am in bed, DP is walking around the house in dressing gown. Luckily O was up. I'd of gone mental if he had woke him up (the dog barks when any one comes to the door).

DS1 spoke to him on the phone after school today I say spoke, I don't think he got many words in... and has told him he can't come in the morning. He is to ring DS1 and meet him down the road or outside. DS1 doesn't leave til 8.15-8.20, and at 7.55 certainly isn't ready - not even dressed usually!

So, my question is - how the fuck do I get this friendship to 'calm' a bit. It seems so intense. He was supposed to meet him in the park today after school but I said no in the end as DS1 had homework, and it was raining.

Tomorrow DS1 is going for tea. Saturday night they are having a sleepover.

What do I do?! I have no idea how to calm this the fuck down! With DS1 going to school so far away before, I've never had to deal with children just turning up at my house and I don't fucking like it!!.

GTbaby Wed 11-Sep-13 22:26:04

Det that sucks.
It's a hard time making friends in secondary school. However just because they are friends now doesn't mean they will be later this school year. Friendship groups change SO much when they first start and get to know each other.

I would talk to ds and explain all meets must be arranged at least a day in advanced. So this kid can't just turn up at the door in a "can x come to play" kind of way. And if he does DS knows it will be a no.
Maybe limit week day meeting. He can see him all day at school so home time should be homework/family time.
I had a year 7kid tell me "I'm not aloud to sit nxt to x, my dad says I'm not aloud to be his friend" shock 3years on, he still says same thing if sat anywhere near him.
I'm sure you wouldn't go to this extreme. Please don't! Lol

GTbaby Wed 11-Sep-13 22:29:04

Oh and det. If you find he is rude to you call him on it. Sometimes kids need to be told they are being rude, as they honestly don't realise.

TheDetective Wed 11-Sep-13 22:33:13

Haha! No, I wouldn't go to those extremes! Ds wouldn't listen any way!!

When DS started, we wrote the 'rules' out. This caused a meltdown the night before he started hmm because one of the rules was actually that all meeting with friends must be arranged 24 hours in advance. And the parents must get in touch with me, or me with them so that I know where he is, and the other boy's parents know where their child is.

And so that if the other parents aren't interested where there child is, then DS1 won't be going to their house!!

He also isn't allowed to roam the streets. That caused another strop hmm.

TheDetective Wed 11-Sep-13 22:35:59

I text DS1's dad earlier voicing my concerns. I got a text right back saying 'I totally totally agree' first time he has agreed with anything. Ever.

He also mentioned that the boy had been given a detention already. And that he was on his last 'warning' (I'm not sure what the warning is as he didn't elaborate on it to DS's dad!).

Kirrin Wed 11-Sep-13 22:44:45

My DD1 is 3 in Jan eliza I'd need her in school before I could even think about another!

Nothing worse than an intense 11 year old det grin Hopefully the friendship will just fizzle out as they each meet new people as term goes on. Fingers crossed.

YellowWellies Wed 11-Sep-13 22:47:01

Yay P!

Det he sounds a nightmare! envy

YellowWellies Wed 11-Sep-13 22:51:31

Oh and Eliza baby girl arrived safe this morning after a tricksy labour (manually turned baby, waters artificially broken, induction, g&a, diamorphine, then she went transverse and an EMCS was needed in the end - so they got their monies worth from the NHS!) but bar Mum being very sore, all is well and baby is BF like a pro.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 11-Sep-13 22:54:28

Oh gosh yw Sounds like mum went through the mill and then some. But I'm so pleased there was a happy outcome.

YellowWellies Wed 11-Sep-13 23:04:00

I know so much for second time being easier - her first was all natural, no painkillers, no intervention and this baby was smaller - random eh?!

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 23:14:13

Glad I did it but don't think I will again. Film was good but sad. I cried. Surrounded by fucking couples.

ChasingDaisy Wed 11-Sep-13 23:21:06

Ha, the couples weren't fucking. Wasn't that kind of cinema. Or film.

daisychain76 Wed 11-Sep-13 23:55:28

Hello all, just had my first night out at a “proper“ show (ie not involving an adaptation of a Julia Donaldson book or Mr Tumble) for years. Went to see Cabaret with Will Young. It was fantastic!

Well done pass‘s P.

Thanks for the code mm.

det l think l‘d keep any opposition low key and see if it fizzles out.

GTbaby Thu 12-Sep-13 04:23:13

confused At being awake.

wellieboots Thu 12-Sep-13 05:41:19

I know it's the middle of the night over there but just wanted to share with the quiche - my DD is the most awesome baby in the universe and I am so utterly blessed to be able to spend every day with her.

To those of you who "know" me, you will know that that is not a boast or a soppy spewfest, but me finally having lots of good days (pnd and family/IL ishoos sad) and being much more able to enjoy her. So I hope you'll indulge my soppiness just this once and be happy with me.

Hope you are all asleep and all the quichelets are behaving - yay to wee p for walking pass, hope you are feeling better det (can you talk to the union again about your work adjustments?) and thinking of you gt I am so angry that doc told you you weren't looking after your baby or whatever it was - I am shock about that. good luck! stunt glad to hear J is sleeping better, hope tonight is going well and yw glad to hear the news from your end, did it make you broody?! Can't remember any other news so will sign off now.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 12-Sep-13 07:11:21

wellie is great you still feel like that. How are things going generally?

Unfortunately chaps every labour can be different regardless of the amount of children you have had, they are not necessarily easier or worse. What changes is your mindset, your confidence in what you are doing and what you want. Luckily I ended on a high but was a roller coaster before that!

I deduced that maybe O was cold at 5 in morning, so last night I put him in a winter sleeping bag, with arms and we had a 06:45 waking again. I am off to the big smoke (Newry hmm ) today and will be purchasing some long sleeved vests.

Kirrin Thu 12-Sep-13 07:24:23

Glad to read such a positive post from you wellies Its lovely that you're feeling good smile

Pikz Thu 12-Sep-13 08:15:23


Yay pass for walking P!

We had another sleep through... Fingers crossed this means sleep on the mend. Clearly we will screw it all with an 11 hour flight today! Off to find a wedding destination. See you in 10 days xxx

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Thu 12-Sep-13 08:42:42

wellies that is great, am v happy for you smile

Detective Your DS1 sounds like a sensible kid I wouldn't worry too much about inappropriate friendships just yet. In the first year it is so nervewracking that we are always grateful for any friendship but change best friends about 15 million times.

pikz enjoy your trip envy

chasing well done! Maybe not a romcom next time? Not sure if I already mentioned it but I went to see Love Actually in Paris on my own. I loved going to the cinema on my own but was going through a particularly bad time with XP and came out surrounded by happy couples at Christmas shopping time. The lights were all on in the shops and I was aware that I should be happy but wasn't. But lone cinema is generally a nice experience.

Self indulgent rant: I fucking hate colds. They are such stupid twats.

Dropped LO at nursery. She only started crying when I handed her over. Until then she was looking round curiously. Big progress. Not sure how long she is staying today. They are going to call me if they can get her to sleep somewhere other than their arms and then give her her meal, or try to, after that. Time to get on with some housework. I meant to go pick up my glasses from the optician but it's 18km away and even driving to the other end of the village this morning was almost impossible as I was so snotty hmm

Oh well, at least I should be better before the girls get it...

StuntNun Thu 12-Sep-13 09:17:11

Fab news Wellie long may it continue.

We had another okay night: J was asleep by 8, he woke at midnight but only cried for 2.5 minutes, then it was after 5 before he woke for his night feed. If he keeps on like that then I shan't bother with night weaning as it looks like the one night feed is pushing back towards morning anyway. I have completely abandoned formula as he was getting so little that he can just have cow's milk if I'm not around to feed him for any reason.

PurplePidjin Thu 12-Sep-13 09:20:35

Yaaaaaaaaay Wellie grin

Pikz enjoy smile

Chasing drama of the vair serious variety might be less sickening?

<pours lemsip for PR> <chucks in plenty of medicinal brandy>

We had wakes at 3:15, 4:30 and up at 6:30 although he wasn't his usual chirpy self. All short and not too much crying! I also dug out the sleeping bag - only the 1 tog, he's a tummy sleeper, sleeps in a wool nappy cover/trousers and runs quite hot generally - so might attempt the 2.5 tonight. Down at 6:15 seems to work and might negate the Thursday problem as i can leave at 6:15 and still be on time smile

daisychain76 Thu 12-Sep-13 10:02:54

Fab post wellie. Sat here on a wall outside the clinic where H has his 9~12 month check at 10.30. Walked around for an hour to get him to nap, too tired to walk anymore and daren‘t go in a cafe in case it wakes him up!

wellie Great to hear you sounding so positive. I have been thinking of you. How are things with DH at the moment?

pikz Have a nice time

Back to the daily grind of work. I've been doing spreadsheets and daydreaming ahead to next year to get through it. I'm devising a budget and if we stick to it we should be able to afford to go to Turkey in May/June time and fly over DP's family to meet us so they can see C for the first time. It's really important to me so we will have to be really strict or it won't happen. DP's family don't have a lot of money, they are not poor by Iran's standards but foreign travel is beyond the reach of most normal people so unless we pay for them too then we won't see them. It's a massive burden and weight on my shoulders but has to be done.

ChasingDaisy Thu 12-Sep-13 11:12:46

Is it bedtime yet? Just had to sit in front of the washing machine for 15mins to calm Oscar down. He was crying real tears at his inability to crawl forwards hmm I'm knackered.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 12-Sep-13 11:31:30

I am playing being chasing in Starbucks with Oliver. DS1 is somewhere digging potatoes with nanny and I have come to town!

He is sharing my tomato and mozzarella panini.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Thu 12-Sep-13 11:36:51

I would love to go to Iran apple . Though maybe not in the current political climate. It's supposed to be such a beautiful country. I read John Simpson's books and he wrote very engagingly about it. Wish i hadn't lent those books out. Do you always meet them in Turkey?

chasing the more frustrating he finds it the quicker he will work out how to go forwards.

We have progress. LO did a 50 minute nap in her bed at nursery and ate five spoonfuls of food. Has come back home for her second lunch but tomorrow we are going to let her stay til 1. Next week we will be building up to the full day.

One of the nursery workers while I was there actually shouted at one of the babies. She was massively bollocked, right in front of me which was uncomfortable for us both, and then sent out to speak to the 'headteacher'. They explained that she has been in the toddler section the last few years and is no longer used to the calmness of the baby section. I am a little hmm but I kind of understand it must be hard to adapt.

I have occasionally shouted at LO when really wound up (my fault not her's) and very often at DD1 the last couple of months because she can be really naughty, but a nursery worker shouting at a baby? In context it was being a little mischievous. She was feeding it (couldn't tell from behind if it was a boy or a girl) and it was apparently taking its food back out of its mouth and throwing it back at her, then laughing. Which must be really fucking irritating, and I would certainly raise my voice slightly if LO did that. But she actually shouted so loudly I jumped. Knowing full well a parent was in the room (which doesn't make it worse just makes it even more unprofessional).

Anyway it was so embarassing when she got bollocked and sent out to calm down and talk with the boss. From what I could tell she has already been warned about it.

So glad she is not LO's key worker, and that they dealt with it so quickly but it was so blush and awkward and I would really rather not have witnessed it tbh.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 12-Sep-13 12:05:07

wellies that's great news.

apple that must be quite a weight on your shoulders. I expect your DP misses his family terribly.

chasing perhaps next time go to a film that won't have lots of couples there. Although to be honest I would have thought that kind have film would just have been girls. It's my DH's idea of hell being dragged to a rom com. Glad you did it anyway. Won't be so scary next time.

peaches what an awful situation. Sounds like the nursery are at least dealing with it appropriately. I like to think in that situation I wouldn't shout at a baby but I find looking after my own kids wearing enough as it is at times, which is why I'd never work with children. I know my limits.

Just back from baby sensory. Was lovely to see E interacting with babies her own age. Unfortunately I had to take DD1 with us but I hope not to every week. She was good but I had to remind her that it was Ella's time and to leave her alone on several occasions. She moves her around so much. Poor E spends ages trying to get some where and DD1 picks her up and puts her back where she started. E gets frustrated. Makes me think that's what snails must feel like when I move them in the garden.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Thu 12-Sep-13 12:24:01

Eliza I would never be able to work with children, especially in a large nursery or primary school. The noise gets to me just the few minutes I pop in and out. Excellent snail/ slow moving baby analogy btw made me proper laugh out loud grin

ginge Yes we always meet them in Turkey. I've never been to Iran and would love to take C on my own but it's complicated. DP can't go back there because he was only a teenager when he left and never completed the mandatory two year military service so if he went they wouldn't let him leave the country again until he has finished it. Then because he didn't do the military service they won't give him an Iranian passport and because he hasn't got a passport we can't get one for C. C can't travel there with a British passport because his dad (and surname) is Iranian so by law he is an Iranian citizen too. So the easiest thing to do is meet them in Turkey even though it costs an absolute fortune. I feel sad that C can't go and see his dad's country. Perhaps one day things will change. We live in hope. DP says we would love it and will be pleasantly surprised how beautiful it is. Completely different to a lot of people's perceptions of it. I've seen photos but that's it.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Thu 12-Sep-13 13:07:48

Yes I wasn't expecting to read descriptions like John Simpson wrote. Ten plus years on and I still remember the descriptions. I had a friend in London who left greece before doing his military service and was pleased when the Schengen Agreement came into force because he was able to travel back via a Schengen country and wouldn't need to use his passport and be flagged up. There used to be similar issues in France too, but they fortunately abolished it about ten or twelve years ago. We moved to London to avoid XP's military service and we weren't intending on going back to Paris until it was abolished and pardon was given to all the people who had got out of it.

daisychain76 Thu 12-Sep-13 13:57:57

Well, found H's developmental check a waste of time. He is "fine" (told to me about 100 times). Wasn't done by a HV but a nursery nurse which I was a bit [sceptical] about as, not meaning to be rude to any nursery nurses, I am trained as a teacher so I feel I probably know as much about child development anyway. Only interesting bit, apart from free books and a toothbrush, was he was weighed and is 21 pounds 7 ounces so on 75th centile corrected, a good jump up from last time he was weighed (in February) when he was 25th centile corrected. A relief after all the hassle about weight when he was born.

Really interesting to hear about Iran and the passport issues apple sad to think your dh can't go back, but lovely to hear you might all be able to meet in Turkey.

That must have been very awkward ginger.

We have contemplated changing C's surname to mine then he can travel with his British passport on an ordinary tourist visa because nobody will know he's Iranian. I don't want to change his name though. It's him. It also means when we get married I won't be able to take DP's surname. DP could travel over the Turkish border where there are few checks and it would probably be ok but it's not a risk we feel comfortable taking. Plus he would have to travel alone because if I'm stopped near the border, being British, I could be accused of being a spy! I think we'll stick with Turkey.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Thu 12-Sep-13 15:38:12

Sounds like the safer option. Must be hard for your DP though not to be able to go home. Maybe things will change with the new generation.

ChasingDaisy Thu 12-Sep-13 16:23:17

Flip, I've just poured boiling water all over my hand. Ouch.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 12-Sep-13 17:26:26

Suds team chasing

Kirrin Thu 12-Sep-13 17:43:52

Glad to hear nursery is getting better for LO peaches But shock at proper shouting at a baby for spitting out food - glad she's not your keyworker.
when i did my settling in session with DD1, I was under threat of redundancy at the time. Obviously very stressed about it all but I remember thinking it could be worse - I could have to work in a toddler room grin

I was Egypt a while ago and got chatting to 2 retired Australian ladies who had travelled absolutely everywhere and both said Iran was their favourite. I have wanted to go ever since.

Kirrin Thu 12-Sep-13 17:45:57

How's the hand chasing ?

ChasingDaisy Thu 12-Sep-13 18:51:25

sophia did you and O enjoy your coffee date? It's actually my favourite thing to do with Oscar, he loves the atmosphere in there and loves showing off and I like being in busy places at the moment. Plus I get to eat cake.

Hand is sore sad Was my own fault. Was pouring the water to make Oscar's bottles and checking out my reflection in the kettle at the same time hmm blush

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 12-Sep-13 18:56:19

I meant sudacream!! grin

We did chasing it was great to spend some time with him on his own and he was by far the best behaved baby there.

GTbaby Thu 12-Sep-13 20:43:48

Go to sleep go to sleep go to sleepconfused
FH is at work. I can't hack looking after lo on my own. Baby is so active/bordering on painfully so.

From his crying sounds like lo is no at least laying down.

Silence... Whimper... Has he given up and decided to go to sleep. Please please please.

Can't do another night like yesterday. I was so uncomfortable.

He started again.

He woke up at 4wouldnt settle. Then I couldn't sleep for ages.

Go to sleep! Sounds like fake crying now. Nope getting louder. He was just resting and rebuilding his energy in the silence.

Argh I can't take it b

GTbaby Thu 12-Sep-13 20:56:10

Argh. He has fallen asleep on my lap sad He will wake on transfer won't he?

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 12-Sep-13 20:59:28

He might be so knacked he doesn't.

GTbaby Thu 12-Sep-13 21:00:01

Wow. Such a quite day on the thread!

Apple such a shame about logistics of visiting family. Can't imagin being in that sit. But must be hard.

Peaches. As the kids say nowadays ... Awkward!

Chasing! Your poor hand.

Ok lo is breathing really heavily now. So must be very deep sleep. Fx.

daisychain76 Thu 12-Sep-13 21:06:53

Hope he‘s gone down for you gt and that the hand‘s better chasing.Easiest day ever to catch up on!

Kyz Thu 12-Sep-13 21:16:46

Evening all, been a mad one today!

Brother got his fingers caught in the inner workings of a motorbike. I have no idea of said inner workings but when I saw his fingers after they were freed from said bike and they were millimetres thick. Looked awful. He is in the hospital now but I haven't heard anything other than that he is in the children's ward waiting to be seen.

I lost 2.5lbs this week, good stuffs!!

iPad battery is dying sad will catch up ASAP

YellowWellies Thu 12-Sep-13 21:34:41

Eeeeeek Kyz poor bro!!!!

GT poor you and poor H. Hope you get a good night.

Wellie your post this morning started my day with a smile .

The bear is a bit under the weather today, totally off his food (which has me worrying about if his meds need upping) squitty bum, BF constantly. Can't tell if he's reacting to the ABs for his cough or got a tummy bug. Despite this he's been a real pet today, crawling all over the house but racing back to me when I make kissing noises for a smooch and a cuddle and he hugs so enthusiastically now it melts my heart. I luffs him so much.

Oh and I had a. one. singular. milk chocolate last night. It was amazing. And took all of my resolve not to snarf the whole bag! He didn't react either.... smile

Kirrin Thu 12-Sep-13 21:45:14

shock kyz your poor brother. Hope he's ok xx

sophia I did try and work out what suds team was supposed to say but had to admit defeat - glad you've put me out of my misery grin

Poor bear YW but grin grin for the baby smooches and for the chocolate.

Wishing you a comfortable nights sleep GT It can't be much fun for you at the moment.

Kyz Thu 12-Sep-13 21:57:33

Right, I'm on my laptop now. Figured I might aswell as i'm waiting for DP to get back from the hospital. Mum was tied up with work and I had e to sort so dp took him and now he's on his way back to grab his stuff for work to go again. Anyway, I can't go to sleep yet so here I am! Brother hasn't broken anything, not sure how because they looked a real sight bless him, so they should all be home soon i'd have thought.

congrats on the first steps pass lovely smile

hope your cold fucks off soon pr

sounds good re the nannying pp smile

it's good that p is being better with n evil smile

det your ds1 sounds a sensible boy and from what i know of kids at high school, when they all get bunged together they make some friendships but alot of the time they go in and out of different social circles until they find their niche at first. Younger-than-me-sibling-or-foster-sibling number 6 has just gone up to high school, and is forever mentioning different new friends but there's a couple that have come up regularly. I would definitely make sure he knows things are arranged in advance in future though. We got a strop with the no roaming the streets thing too. Bloody kids!

what a lovely post wellies glad to read you're so happy smile

woohoo for another sleeping through pikz

how unprofessional of the nursrey nurse pr!!!

love the snail analogy eliza made me chuckle! glad you had a good time there

apple it's a shame your dp can't go back home. I hope things change. I bet dps family will adore C when they meet him.

hope your hand is ok chasing

hope he settles ok gt and you get some sleep, must be really tough now you're right near the end sad I found it uncomfortable enough without a big baby to lug about!

yw poor bear, hope he feels better soon sad v.pleased he didn't react to the chocolate too! good stuff! Sounds like he's been awfully sweet today!

GTbaby Thu 12-Sep-13 22:06:12

Kyz poor brother. How old is he?

YW poor bear. But know what you mean about kisses n cuddles. It's a great feeling.

Need to sort out his bed time routine really. I just don't have energy. But think ill have to. Think a tooth is about to break thro. So hope he will be easier soon.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Thu 12-Sep-13 22:11:38

So have tried to catch up but am sure there are things I have missed.

wellie so nice to hear you so positive. How are things with DH?

apple sounds super complicated and a lot for you and DP to take on. But family is important.

GT sounds like you're getting into the fed up end stages.

chasing well done for cinema trip - I love the cinema alone, a real indulgence. And S loves the washing machine too for being soothed.

peaches not nice to have witnessed but hopefully how it was dealt with was reassuring.

We are back from hols. Had a lovely, relaxing time with our 4 nights away. We were so ill before we went it wasn't quite what we had planned, but it was amazing to have a break and some decent sleep. Made me realise how tired I have been and how shit the sleep has been - 4 x 10 hour really, really deep sleeps, so much deeper than I have slept since before DD was born I think, plus 2 x 2 hour naps PER DAY. Of course some of that was getting over the illness but I imagine a decent proportion was just the carried over exhaustion.

DC were amazing at Granny's house, really good, slept well - for someone else, of course - well behaved, no real tantrums or tears and my Mum loved having them. She cried when we left. Bless. I am so lucky to have her! I was a bit concerned that they would prefer her to me (patient, kind, gentle, never shouts etc) but DC were delighted to see us. And DD made me cry my year by repeatedly choosing me for cuddles instead of DH (she is a real Daddy's girl), and at one point stopped eating (unusual for there to be an interruption) to clamber onto my lap, looked me in the eye, vair seriously, and said, "My [I] missed you Mummy" and gave me a great big smooch and cuddle. S wouldn't let me out of his sight and showed me his new skillz - mainly climbing stairs and a slightly kamikaze attitude to hurling himself into the ball pool. All great fun. Amazing to have had a break but I did miss them terribly. 4 nights was the perfect time away.

ChasingDaisy Thu 12-Sep-13 22:11:39

Brilliant chocolate news YW smile And goodness, your bear sounds adorable. So loving smile When I ask Oscar for a 'kiss kiss' he puts his hand towards my mouth for me to kiss it smile

GTbaby Thu 12-Sep-13 22:23:22

Oh and on the sweep front. FH called day assessment , who have been asked to do my sweep tomorrow. As one of my concerns is DR said there was no gas n air. But the MW he spoke to was very reassuring actually. They do have GnA. She said if I wanted to stop at any point I could. That I could change my mind at any point. FH was also nice about it and said it was totally up to me. He isn't pressurising me.

So my decision is to meet the mw, who I'd meet anyway for bloods and monitoring. And if I like her/ feel comfortable with her then ill do it.

Think one of the things bugging me yesterday the Dr and his "bedside manor" he explain a 4th degree tear by using the sentence "you shit and bleed out of the same hole".
The whole experience of speaking to him has really annoyed me. I just want to yell at him STOP BEING A DICK. (I watched lady leg last night. So funny)

Oh n I had like a drop of colostrum out of one boob today. Does that mean I'm getting ready for labour?

Right hungry now. Then bed time.

Kyz Thu 12-Sep-13 22:42:51

He is 15 gt not a baby I know but he looks like that three year old little boy I used to read to at night when he's screaming in pain and has hurt himself sad I am sure it did hurt too, it looked horrible. The spiky bits on the gear things went either side of his bones which is the only reason they're not broken.

Aww sounds like the kids were brill madame glad you enjoyed your break smile

Wow gt what a tosser of a doctor!!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Thu 12-Sep-13 23:02:19

madame good to know you got a break and I am not oh no not at all jealous. Ok yes I am.

I'm still a bit hmm about the nursery incident. If it had been my baby I would have withdrawn her on the spot. I get being frustrated with a baby but not shouting like that at a mealtime. And I say that as a shouter. I'm in two minds as to whether I should discreetly ask if that employee can not have one on one with LO. I'm not pfb at all, and am v much pro discipline, especially when it's others who will have more clout over my kids than I do. But the ANGER she so suddenly demonstrated has upset me.

Will sleep on it. They dealt with it well, and I trust LO's key worker completely, she's lovely. And dd1 is thriving, I don't want them to think I'm a complainer. But honestly. Shouting at a baby? In front of a parent? Even in France that's not on. Right?

GT best of luck for your appointment xx

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Thu 12-Sep-13 23:03:23

kyz I hope your brother recovers well. It must have been very scaryfor him xx

PurplePidjin Thu 12-Sep-13 23:07:08

Hope you get some rest GT that sounds like a sensible way to go about it. This is your body, do whatever you feel comfortable with!

Kyz yikes! Hopefully no nerve damage and he'll be home soon thanks

Holiday sounds amazing Madame envy

YW envy

R went down at 6:10, so my mum and dp drank tea! He's in 2.5tog tonight fx that's it, I'm shattered!

PurplePidjin Thu 12-Sep-13 23:08:23

Definitely not on, PR, gross misconduct surely?

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Thu 12-Sep-13 23:23:45

Possibly not in France. They have different childrearing norms here.

Lily311 Fri 13-Sep-13 05:16:58

I fucking hate insomnia. Was up between 1 and 4.30 and now again. What happened to my sleep? O slept through. I have sore throat and O has snotty nose. The first cold in over a year. I hate it. Not a good start of the day.

My cousin is coming to fix my kitchen cupboards so the dishwasher can find its place.

kyz hope your brother will recover.

gt keeping my fingers cross for you for today. Hope everything goes well.

pr how awful. Glad your LO has different key worker.

gazelle glad you had a good holiday.

det wanted to comment on your ds1. My sister was very similar to him personality wise and completely disrespect the rules when moved up school. My parents were at their wits end. At the end they stopped pocket money and she was grounded for a month. No visitors were allowed. My father also made sure that she did extra chores. It worked and she never invited friends back without asking first afterall.

StuntNun Fri 13-Sep-13 06:10:12




8:30 - 5:55 smile

Do I get a prize now?

Donnadoon Fri 13-Sep-13 06:48:43

Yay James! So pleased for you stunt, I think life will be up up up now smile

wellieboots Fri 13-Sep-13 06:52:15

Yay James!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 13-Sep-13 06:57:58

Best news to wake up to in ages stunt well done James!

ChasingDaisy Fri 13-Sep-13 06:59:21

Yes stunt! Bloody amazing! grin

And I now have broadband! Yay!

Bryzoan Fri 13-Sep-13 07:03:35

Wahooo stunt!

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Fri 13-Sep-13 07:09:05

Brilliant stunt!

Passmethecrisps Fri 13-Sep-13 07:28:04

I am so delighted for you stunt. Well done you.

Your holiday sounds wonderful madam. Fantastic.

Brilliant post yesterday wellie.

Poor brother kyz. At the end of the day, a child in pain is a child in pain even if they are in their teens.

det boundary pushing nd finding their groove is quite normal when starting secondary school. If you are concerned then don't hesitate to contact the school - they will probably tell you he is a wee mouse in class - they redress the balance by acting out at home.

I am delighted to hear about wee cousin't safe, if problematic, arrival yw. J is a superstar of mega proportions. Wish p have me snogs!

I would be really troubled ginger. I feel shouting at any child is pretty rough when that is your job. Even working with teens I rarely ever shout other than simply to be heard over the racket. I think it would be worth a quiet word just out of concern for all involved actually. They way she was treated isn't great either.

YellowWellies Fri 13-Sep-13 08:41:45

Its normal for them to BF every 1-2 hours (during the day only thank fuck!) when ill isn't it? I know I shouldn't limit it as the antibodies will help him shake the bug - but crikey it's like having a newborn but this time without a chocolate habit to survive on!!!!

PurplePidjin Fri 13-Sep-13 08:51:36

Yaaaaaaaaaay Stunt!!!!!

YW R still feeds 4-6 times a day (is night weaned)

Fucking p put R's fucking nappy on wrong again. I didn't even think to check because i thought he'd learned after last time, less than a fortnight ago. So i was up at 11:50, 1, 1:30, 3:30, 4:30 when i changed him and p got both barrels. He's an adult, he can see it's wrong, it's a task he completes adequately at least twice a day, if he's struggling he can fucking well ask, not expect me to check as if he were an incompetent child angry there's still a sore patch on R's leg from last time angry

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 13-Sep-13 09:05:40

Brilllllliiiannntt stunt I am so pleased for you. Xx

Brilliant news stunt. Very pleased for you!

det He will probably make loads of other friends and hopefully they won't still be hanging out in a few months. I understand your concerns though.

C slept through until 6.30 this morning which is a minor miracle. DP took him downstairs and let me stay in bed until 7.30. Busy day at work today but then have the weekend off. Taking C in town tomorrow to open a savings account for him. Thanks for the info stunt I think it was? The account where you get 6% you aren't allowed any withdrawals but they do an instant access account with 3% interest which is better than I thought we would get.

Yes as you can imagine it is hard for DP not being able to go back. Especially when there are family weddings, illnesses etc. His dad hasn't been well recently so that's been really tough for him. At least we can meet them in Turkey though and we all get a holiday out of it. It's nice for them to be able to relax and do things they aren't allowed to do back home. Normal things we take for granted like going swimming together and having a few drinks.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 13-Sep-13 10:56:33

My hair has been cut. I don't like it. Nevermind.

Donnadoon Fri 13-Sep-13 10:59:02

It'll grow huh?

Donnadoon Fri 13-Sep-13 10:59:30

Will you have to wear a hat til it does?

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 13-Sep-13 11:10:19

No, it's not that bad. I wanted it short though and they refused.

I psyched myself up to talking to nursery this morning but it was the shouter doing the registration/handover thing. I didn't say anything as I didn't want to upset her in case she shouted at me . It was a little awkward after yesterday's events.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 13-Sep-13 11:52:29

Here's some good news. I was just about to leave the house to pick up LO when the phone rang. Was her key worker to say she has had lunch and is sleeping in her cot so she will call me when she wakes so that we don.t need to disturb her.

A) yay this will be the second day she has been settled enough to sleep in the cot
B) the first time she has eaten anything more than a couple of spoonfuls of food there
C) isn't it nice of them to call and tell me to stay at home til she wakes?

That's good news ginge. It seems she's getting there slowly but surely.

YellowWellies Fri 13-Sep-13 12:25:09

Ginge I've had a hair disaster too - let's just say that nice and easy 'natural darkest brown' hair dye should, more accurately be labeled 'one dimensional matt Goth black' envy . You've got to laugh grin .

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 13-Sep-13 12:38:58

peaches no not on at all, and neither was disciplining the shouter in front of you either. But, I would be inclined to leave it as that for this insistent. Especially as DD1 seems to be settling (fab news). I'd keep a careful eye out though, difficult I know as you have very little contact. But if you feel you need to raise the issue by all means do so. You are entitled to voice your concerns.

madame sounds wonderful. Reminds me of when I went away for 3 nights to Marrakech when I was pregnant with E. god knows when I'll get to do that again. Very very envy

kyz so sorry to hear of your brother. Really hope he's ok.

chasing yay for broadband.

I went to see priscilla queen of the desert at the theatre last night. Was quite bizarre. Had Noel from hearsay in it (if any of you remember them!). He didn't come over camp enough for me. Still, was harmless fun.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 13-Sep-13 12:39:53

Oh and how could I forget, yay for j stunt. I really hope he's turned a corner.

ChasingDaisy Fri 13-Sep-13 14:14:49

Rain. Broken umbrella. No coat. Friday the fucking 13th indeed.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 13-Sep-13 14:32:44

LO caught my cold.

Here we go, time to hold on tight for the winter illnesses ride....

Lily311 Fri 13-Sep-13 14:51:41

Way to go stunt, so very pleased for you.

And well done to lo pr.

7 solid poos are ok? She is teething and can't stop pooing. The smell is awful.

Evilwater Fri 13-Sep-13 15:17:04

Hello all,
Finished my night shift this morning, and still feeling tired. N is asleep, at the mo and I've got breaking bad on, I've just started season 4. It's good!!! The bath has to be the funniest.

The house is a dump, I've got lamb stew in the slow cooker and it looks bad. And I've got work tomorrow, all 12 hours, that I'm only going to get paid for 11.
Oh, and the boss, is upset that we the staff have a sleep in our unpaid break when we do nights. Seriously is she going to wake us up? Grr....

And I keep scoffing biscuts,

The thread is very quiet. I can actually keep up for once!

ChasingDaisy Fri 13-Sep-13 16:26:03

What's quiche opinion on this? XP wants to come and see me and O at the flat next week. Do you think he has a right to see where his son is living?

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 13-Sep-13 16:47:05

Tough one chasing

I guess he could try and argue that he has a right to see it, but I personally would try and avoid it if at all possible. Any comment he makes will bug you, and it will be an invasion of your personal safe space that you have created to get away from him.

How do you feel about the idea? It really is your decision. If he just wants to see it on O's behalf then you could show him some photos.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Fri 13-Sep-13 17:00:29

Agree with peaches, tough one. How would you feel if XP moved house and was having O overnight - would you want to see it, to visualise where O is staying? When DH moved in with me and DSD was going to start staying overnight in our flat, I invited her mum to come and see it. But there was no back story really, no issue for me or DH in terms of his exP coming into our space. I guess it is completely personal, no wrong decision.

evil sounds like a long day! And what does your manager expect?

peaches how was LO this arvo?

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 13-Sep-13 17:04:14

She's full of a cold thanks Gazelle but was at home during the afternoon. Next week we are going to progressively leave her longer and longer in the afternoon. They think another week to week and a half before she does full days...

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Fri 13-Sep-13 17:06:57

It's a big change though and they are v aware at this age. It's actually quite a quick build up really I think, she's making real progress, and the cold probably isn't helping.

ChasingDaisy Fri 13-Sep-13 17:40:47

I will absolutely be vetting anywhere that O will be staying overnight. But my instinct tells me that XP isn't actually that bothered. He knows I will create a safe home for him and he has seen the outside of the building. I think he just wants to spend more time with O as he is off work and I don't want to cause an argument for the sake of it but I don't know how comfortable I would feel with him here.

PurplePidjin Fri 13-Sep-13 18:35:48

Chasing don't do anything you're not totally sure of. He's bloody lucky to get anything beyond an hour a week of supervised contact in a centre with a social worker present, tbh. I'm not sure I'd even let him have my address if i were you!

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 13-Sep-13 18:43:24

Ewwwww chasing I would feel uncomfortable about that tbh. I see the point, but do you really want to be alone with him in a private space? Could you get a chaperone?

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 13-Sep-13 18:44:29

I have loads I want to say to everyone but am struggling to get some child free, not knackered time to write it. It will be epic when I do!!!

ChasingDaisy Fri 13-Sep-13 18:58:37

I wouldn't feel unsafe, I think it would just be...odd, I guess. This is my home and my new life, away from him. We had originally planned to spend O's birthday together - I've got to figure out how to tell him that that ain't happening now.

MsJupiterJones Fri 13-Sep-13 19:40:08

Really glad to hear about Stunt's J last night, more of the same please!

Chasing did he say to you he had a right to see where his son was living or just ask to come round? If so that sounds like he is trying to regain some control and I would be quite wary of him. If he just asked to come round more casually, then fair enough but it would still be a no from me. When I escaped from my bad relationship, my new place (a room in a shared house) was my haven, I felt quite protective of it and was very picky about who came in (although I did let a nice young man come round a few times who is now DH!) - go with your gut instinct which sounds like a firm no.

YellowWellies Fri 13-Sep-13 19:49:16

Chasing what Jupiter said. The flat is your sanctuary, your new life after escaping an abusive relationship - don't let the abuser through the door as he'll try to spoil it for you, regain control or otherwise knock your confidence. He's lucky he's got unsupervised access and at most, should be content with photos.
The bear's finished his ABs today and is back on his solid food with a vengeance thank god! He and my sister's 25 month old DD were proper playing together today fighting over the same toy dumper truck and tea set it was hilarious! He takes no shit and neither does she hmm what have we created?!!!

Passmethecrisps Fri 13-Sep-13 20:26:13

Hallo hallo.

You have made a ball of 'tude yw! And so they should be. Life's too short for being polite over dumper trucks!

Fuck him chasing. Say no. If he wants access he can get a lawyer.

What a week.

Long story. But it is all good.

Outdoor activities day today. High point was a small fiery red headed girl with a helmet stuffed over all her curls calling out of some tunnels "miss passme? *miiiiiiissss paaaaaaassssssmmeeeeeeeeee!?!?!?!!!"

Cue me running like fury in a panic. Look down escape hatch to see said child thrusting a hand at me holding a tiny frog!

"Ah found a frog! Save it! It'll get squashed"

So I did.

And I thought to myself I hope p is the kind of child who halts proceedings to scoop up a tiny frog and deliver it to safety

ChasingDaisy Fri 13-Sep-13 20:43:51

I have no doubt at all that P will be that kind of child pass

He just asked casually to come round. I think I'll say no. This is my home now and whenever we talk I feel tense, which I don't want here.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 13-Sep-13 20:54:20

Lovely pass, I hope all the quiche babies are frog-savers.

Stunt grin x a billion - well done J!

That's it for now - not sure if this will even work fecking laptop

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 13-Sep-13 20:56:29

Good for you chasing you are making a lovely home for you and O, don't let anyone even attempt to spoil it.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 13-Sep-13 21:01:51

Woohoo and we're back in business! Not sure what happened to the laptop but I wrote a couple of eeeepic posts only for them to refuse to be posted angry

Ginge not good to hear about colds or shouty nursery nurses. But great to hear LO is settling in at last, and especially good given that she is full of cold.

Det I second what everyone else has said - teenage friendships are often intense and fleeting, especially at the start of secondary school whilst they all settle into their niches.

Kyz I hope your brothers fingers are ok today, sounds v painful indeed.

YW yay for chocolate! Glad J-bear is feeling back to himself and literally fighting fit!

Chasing please don't let him into your home. It's yours and Os pad, nothing to do with XP, and it is the one place that is absolutely your safe place. There are plenty of coffee shops in MK, no?! He can take him there, or in fact wherever he desires. But not your home that you've worked so hard to get just right.

Pidj sorry to hear P fucked up. Hope Rs bum isn't too bad.

So in pigsty news.
The pox is finally settling. F has gone to sleep in her own bed tonight for the first time this week - admittedly propped up on pillows but hey ho. She hasn't settled before 10pm all week, and has spent the nights in bed with me. Reflux has been a total nightmare, lots of squelchy hiccups and mini-voms and she hasn't eaten a scrap of solid food all week. Glad the week is over anyhoo, very glad to have got to Friday in one piece!

Kirrin Fri 13-Sep-13 21:11:59

Yay for sleeping through stunt grin

Yay for nursery sleeping peaches

Yay for broadband chasing and I think keeping exDP out of your new home is a good plan.

Yay for non- squished frogs too. I'm sure we are all raising frog savers!!

Glad you had a good break madame All that sleep sounds fantastic smile Must have been lovely to get away.

Last day of hols today. It's been lovely but DD1 is ready to go home - she keeps telling me she wants her own bed. Tbh, so do I smile

Kirrin Fri 13-Sep-13 21:14:23

Glad F is improving bplp Sounds like its been a tough time.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 13-Sep-13 21:18:57

bplp Glad little piglet seems to be on the mend, bless her. Well done for surviving the week.

Ah pass how lovely. I have no doubt P will be like that.

chasing Good on you for saying no. As others have said he is bloody lucky you've been so easy going about the access he has to O. IMO he has no right to go into home.

DH is out so am tucked up on the sofa with a cuppa and a cupcake. And also with the sound of rain pounding onto the window as the guttering needs clearing and its fucking annoying the hell out of me!.

GTbaby Fri 13-Sep-13 21:49:37


Lol at saved frog.
Boo at poorly lo ginger.

Chasing. Against the grain. You would want to see where lo stays. So I guess its ok for xp to want to. However with the history it's more complicated. And I understand why others are saying no and think its good advise.
However I just wanted to say IF you decided to let him come over, have someone there with you. Make it a collection only. Come in pick up Os things then leave. If it makes it easier say you and your "chaperon" are on your way out.
This is not me saying you should let him in, just a make sure your safe if you do.

They should really make a "scroll to last post " button. As I couldn't remember if I'd posted about my appointment today.
Mw today was really nice. However reassured me and FH and I that I didn't needed a sweep at this stage. Normal bloods and regular movement and convinced FH that going in labour naturally is the best thing for me and bump.
She was basically the opposite of the SHIT dr we saw was really kind and reassuring. And even said to me "you don't look happy, are you ok with everything I've said?" Which I was, just feeling exhausted so prob looked tiered.

Really hope I just naturally go into labour soon. Really nervous about knowing I'm in labour. I know many of you had said before "oh you'll know" but sil got to 6cm thinking she had heart burn and then gave birth with no gas n air and not a slight tear, oh if only it was that easy!

TheDetective Fri 13-Sep-13 22:12:07

So much to catch up on!

Chasing I am torn over it. On one hand - it is your home, and he shouldn't (and doesn't) have any right to step foot in it. More so because of how he has behaved. On the other, I would want to see where my baby lived etc.

I'm not sure. Maybe it is something for the future? And I agree to not being alone if he does come over.

I haven't been to exp's flat, but then he lived with his mum for the first 3 years after we split up. So I knew where DS1 was. Now he is older, I am less concerned - because he is old enough to tell me if there is an issue. If he was much younger I would definitely be asking to see his room etc. Although I think a picture would make me feel at ease. Could you ask him why he wants to see where you live? Depends on his reasoning perhaps?

YW I read about J being unwell - could it have been the chocolate? I know you said he didn't react, but then you said he was poorly? I read this yesterday, but didn't get chance to post it. I will go back and read again as I may have got the wrong end of the stick here.

Stunt I have the biggest grin on my face ever! I want your secrets now please!

Peaches I think I would speak to the nursery manager and say the incident has upset you and ask that your children are not cared for by this particular member of staff. Glad LO had a better session today!

Thank you for advice on DS1. He's pushing the boundaries a hell of a lot right now. There have been words. hmm I am encouraging him to invite other friends home. But not every sodding night. Which is what he seems to think is okay. hmm

I got an eBay bargain tonight. £9.99 for a toy bundle. Lots of wooden toys - this one in fact. I am very grin. I also got a Scuttlebug for £8, which I am collecting tomorrow. I have spent £40 in total on stuff for birthday/christmas. And have lots. smile I love a bargain! Have bid on some peek a blocks stuff. And am watching a vtech toot toot garage.

Am planning on getting cheap gift boxes to put them in, then wrap with paper. As I will struggle wrapping them otherwise. And I remember at 1 how much fun DS1 had ripping the paper off! I think O will love it!

I need to go back and catch up more. I have missed lots.

ChasingDaisy Fri 13-Sep-13 22:27:24

He just asked to pop round to see us both. I was going to say no but then felt bad for denying him the chance to see where Oscar lives. I don't know if the thought has even occured to him. He rarely even asks after him anymore hmm He has his first overnight stay in 2 weeks confused

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 13-Sep-13 22:34:58

I hope you are planning a lovely night out for you and non date guy taht evening chasing

Excellent bargain detective am v envy about the bargains you people get. I have someone bidding one euro on a brand new cacherel christening coat, that I was given and never used, no no big deal but it is worth at least 70€ second hand. Ebay is shite over here. That said I have dressed and prammed my two on similarly rubbish ebay bargains. But wtf? One euro for that? Tsk.

TheDetective Fri 13-Sep-13 22:39:08

I was actually about to buy a toy pram for £9.99 on it's own! I didn't think I'd be able to find a non pink one otherwise. Then I find one in the bundle with other things I was going to bid for separately. I am very grin.

A lot of the things I still want for him are from Ikea. This means, Ikea trip needed soon! Yay!

Coats are going for quite a lot on eBay at the moment - well here they are. Surprised yours isn't. sad

TheDetective Fri 13-Sep-13 22:40:30

Chasing DS1's dad doesn't ask about him at all. No interest in school stuff. No interest in anything really. confused.

Rarely texts him. Never rings him.

I don't get it. sad

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 13-Sep-13 22:46:03
TheDetective Fri 13-Sep-13 22:52:01

It's gorgeous! Defo worth more than a euro!!

I love your username grin.

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Fri 13-Sep-13 23:07:28

Before that gets reported I am not trying to sell it to any of you, as all our babies are too big and it is in France so won't post abroad except in very special cases ;)

The username has a long backstory, nothing to do with my current situation. I set it up about 10 years ago. Wanna hear it?

No? Tough shit.

So, when I left my xp a few months before our wedding back in 2003 I found a flatshare with an air hostess for air france. She was nice enough but very eccentrric and treated me, when she was in the country, as her wife. Asked me for help sewing buttons on her uniform, wanted me to wake her at stupid o'clock for her flights, but sometimes did sweet things, like do my grocery shopping, or my laundry, without asking. We muddled along for about 18 months until she got too demanding, ie texting me at all hours to get something out of the freezer for her and wondering if I'd keep her boyfriend, erm, busy, while she was away. Plus, the eccentricity turned into utter madness. So forgive me for an old link to my blog: pint-sized-rants.blogspot.fr/2012/08/a-rant-about-rubbish-landlords.html

She is number one.

Back then I didn't have a blog but did regular rants on email to friends and family, and nicknamed her Da Missus. My BFF who lives in Paris was in fact the person who replaced me as tenant, and got treated to the same kind of random behaviour. We bonded while I popped in to collect post.

I have enough anecdotes to fill a book, but this is why, back in the day when I was not married I gave myself the ebay moniker of da_missus. Voilà, a bit of PR history for you smile

daisychain76 Fri 13-Sep-13 23:19:29

Evening. Glad you saw a good MW today gt. I havr been thinking a lot about when l was in hospital having H this week (yesterday it was a year since l got takeen in with pre~eclampsia. The MWs made all the difference to me. With the consultaants l felt very anonymous and a bit powerless.

Glad to hear F is getting better bp.

That‘s great nnews stunt and madam that much sleep sounds like bliss.

Got to leave the house at 6.30am tomorrow and won‘t be back til 9pm (compulsory training course for work). Never left H that long so dreading it.

Got H‘s main Christmas prresent in Sainsburys today. A really big megablocks dumper truck with the blocks in it. Reduced from £30 to £20 and l can justt see him pushing it round and trying to ride in it. Babies are so much easier to buy for than 9 year olds!

Lily311 Fri 13-Sep-13 23:32:00

Sore throat, period and insomnia. I can deal with those but not at the same time.

GTbaby Sat 14-Sep-13 00:14:37

Love the landlord rants ginger.

Think I want to name change soon. My name is so boring.

GTbaby Sat 14-Sep-13 00:15:04

Lily that sucks x

wellieboots Sat 14-Sep-13 02:18:44

lily that sounds horrid, hope you get to sleep soon.
gt I am so smile that you had a better appt with someone sensible and feel supported. Sending you labour vibes for the right time.
Thanks to everyone who has asked after us - we are doing great most of the time (last night we had a bad night of 5 wakeups one of which was 1.5 hours, separation anxiety?). Teething gel and calpol didn't do anything sad poor bubba.
peaches loving the ebay username story and glad LO settling a bit better at creche.

But other than that DD has been sleeping pretty well for a couple of weeks now which has contributed to my improving state of mind. Bit stressed about trip back to the UK but looking forward to it as well. Things with DH are OK - we are communicating better, got some relationship counselling, need to do some more but having probs arranging childcare for it. My CBT has finished now and I was a bit worried about coping after that, but OK so far. I'm still bfing but now that she has cut down to usually 2, sometimes 1, feed during the day, I'm much happier and feel less trapped. I'm happy to keep doing morning and bedtime for a while longer, so maybe I can just get her to take cows milk during the day from 1 [hopeful] and then that would be much easier.

So, dreading the flight but looking forward to the trip itself. Slight issue in that my DM appears to not be talking at the moment, which could be a bit awkward, and not sure if I mentioned but FIL retired a month or so ago and so PILs are currently in Europe on a long trip and will be in London same time as us when we first arrive. Could be very interesting, they will probably see more of A than they ever have [hmmm]

Pikz Sat 14-Sep-13 04:52:48

Trying to remember loads whilst LO still asleep at 7.50!!! Local time.

Stunt I have the biggest grin hope last night was as good for J.

Hope little piglet is on the mend

Hope you kicked dps arse PP

Pass I want that kid too!!

GT glad the mw was better and you feel reassured.

Pikz Sat 14-Sep-13 04:53:27

Welles glad you are good and the uk will be great!

StuntNun Sat 14-Sep-13 05:49:00

It wasn't a one off, we had 8:30 - 5:20 last night. grin I'm not sure I can claim credit as I suspect we have naturally come to the end of a sleep regression that coincides with the sleep training but I can post what we've done with J if anyone thinks it would be helpful.

PurplePidjin Sat 14-Sep-13 06:01:40

GT that's much better smile

Wellie it's lovely to hear you sounding so much more positive


<drumroll please>

5:30! shock

PurplePidjin Sat 14-Sep-13 06:02:58

X post, Stunt grin Izzy's turn next!

Pikz Sat 14-Sep-13 06:35:17

Wow J and R!!!! Fab work.

Stunt I would love to know what you have done. If this isn't regression think I shall have to sleep train when we get home

Lily311 Sat 14-Sep-13 06:43:12

stunt I am so so happy for you.pidj and for you too!!! Can I actually ask your advise? O is in pocket nappies and the last week or so her wee volume increased. I only used one microfibre booster per nappy, last week used two but the nappies still leaked after 2 hours. I have a couple of bamboo boosters, should I use one bamboo+one microfibre? I will need to buy more bamboo boosters though. Or is there any other solution?

I think I haven't slept all night. I wonder what the cause is for my recent sleep troubles.

I feel horrendous, no voice, sore throat, full of snot. I'm so going to have the flu jab in October. I asked a cleaning lady to come and help me today, my dishwasher got fixed! Just waiting for plumber to install it, I actually can't believe that I redesign the bottom half of the cupboards just for a dishwasher. But so worth it.

PurplePidjin Sat 14-Sep-13 06:55:08

I would use one mf with one or even 2 bamboo, with the mf nearest her skin. Bamboo holds more liquid but doesn't absorb it as fast as mf. R has mf, bamboo and hemp in his - boys pee like a hose hmm

ChasingDaisy Sat 14-Sep-13 06:59:28

Yay for stunt and pidj! I am SO happy for you both grin

Well, I am shattered. Only got a few hours sleep. O slept 7-6 but I was too excited to sleep...

...me and one of my best childhood friends went to loads of pop concerts when we were teenagers. We were proper kids of the '90s. So The Big Reunion programme on ITV2 is my idea of heaven. Anyway, I wanted to get tickets for the tour this summer but they had sold out sad. But I just found out that they are doing a Christmas tour so I have just booked tickets grin. Me and my friend who I haven't seen for 10 years are off to relive our youth and be 15 again grin. I am ridiculously excited and spent last night listening to 5ive, 911 and Blue songs on youtube!

StuntNun Sat 14-Sep-13 07:31:17

The J guide to sleep training the chronically unsleeping baby

First make sure there is no underlying health issue. Until the reflux and egg intolerance were properly medicated / avoided, J was waking in the night in abdominal pain so all we could do was comfort him until it passed. More recently however his symptoms were pretty well under control but his sleep was still poor. That awake for an hour or two in the night thing seems to be a common occurrence at 9-10 months so must be another regression.

Fix daytime naps - we started doing 'nap by any means possible' so in the sling, pram, cot, car, in bed with me. Anything so long as you have two long (very approximately an hour) naps a day. Naps after 4 or 5 p.m. and very short naps should be avoided. If J gets a ten minute sleep it seems to reset his sleepy clock and he then won't be able to go to sleep for another couple of hours even if he's tired. IMO daytime naps and nighttime sleep feed off each other so they are both equally important.

Where we were going wrong - not having a reasonably regular schedule of feed and nap times, I was feeding to sleep, DH was rocking to sleep and we were relying on the dummy to get and keep him asleep.

Where we were going right - prioritising naps, having a strong bedtime routine and a set bedtime.

What we changed - stopped the dummies at nighttime, changed the bedtime routine to stop feeding to sleep, moved the bedtime story to the cot, started controlled crying. We also moved his bedtime to a bit later to be certain that he would be sleepy enough to want to sleep. Over time we will move it earlier 15 minutes at a time but I want to see if it's working before I change anything else.

What we do now - try and make sure he had two naps of about an hour long in the day (9:30 and 12:30). If he doesn't get these or sleeps later in the day then I will lower my expectations for that night, e.g. put him to bed later, expect more awakenings, longer crying, etc.

Bedtime routine - bath (if he has one), PJs, feed somewhere light and/or noisy so he doesn't fall asleep, brush teeth, into sleeping bag, into cot, read Winnie-the-Pooh, kiss goodnight, lights out and leave the room. He protests at being put in the cot, calms when he sees the big red Winnie-the-Pooh book, and cries when left however he hasn't actually cried for longer than 2.5 minutes so we haven't had to do the 15 second 'check and console' recommended for controlled crying. He always goes to sleep on his tummy. I find the video monitor is invaluable as you can see he's tossing and turning to get comfy but not actually sitting up or standing in distress.

Nighttime awakenings - before 4 a.m. wait five minutes to see of he goes back to sleep, then do 'check and console' every ten minutes until he goes back to sleep. After 4 a.m. being him into bed for a feed then either return him to his cot or keep him in bed until morning depending on the time and whether DH is away.

It's only been four nights so far but there has been a dramatic improvement in night sleep but also he's more able to self settle for his naps. I still have the 'nap by any means' policy but I have managed to put him down awake for a couple of naps and he has gone to sleep with the minimum of fuss.

I hope this helps anyone else with sleep issues. We have done controlled crying with all three DSs but I would say that the time has to be right, your child needs to be prepared for it and be secure and pain-free for it to work properly.

I used the Troublesome Tots website for advice and to pinpoint where I was going wrong.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 14-Sep-13 08:16:53

Woohoo to stunt and pidj!

On the subject of sleep, dsd is still sparko. Normally she's a 6am kinda gal so am a bit confused....don't want to waker her though if she's still tired.

Woohoo stunt and pidj!

Awesome bargain detective Loving your present buying! I've got one thing so far, seen some things on book people and in ikea but probably won't get much. What you getting from Ikea?

Def worth more than. €1 peaches

Sorry to all the poorly babies. M has a combination of a cold and teething so is v snotty and dribbly, sore bum and a bit grumpy, especially as she refused to nap all day yesterday.

Haven't been on much, had a bit of a mare this week and sometimes don't feel there's much I can contribute. But I am reading and enjoy hearing everyone else's stories.

We're off away for the weekend, staying in a hotel tonight, fingers crossed M isn't grumpy tonight

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 14-Sep-13 08:44:17

Fab news stunt and pidj that's brilliant smile

daisychain76 Sat 14-Sep-13 08:59:08

Great news stunt and pidg. Thanks for writing it all down stunt. I am getting to the point l need to night wean H and get some better sleep, so l am going to be studying your post carefully smile

Loving the pr username history.

chasing I think he has a right to see where O lives. If that is his reason for asking then I would let him come over to pick O up one day, have someone else there with you and make it a very short in and out visit. If however you feel he has alterior motives then say no.

stunt we had the most awful night ever last night and something has to be done. I will be checking out that website thanks. So pleased for you it wasn't a one off and things are on the up.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 14-Sep-13 10:54:26

Nap by any means includes lovely cuddles on the sofa with mummy, yes?

Lily311 Sat 14-Sep-13 11:06:05

chasing yes, I would let him visit. But as others said only if you have someone else in and the visit would not take longer than 5 min.

My cousin is in labour. They are having a boy. I can't wait for newborn cuddles.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 14-Sep-13 11:36:20

I think F has been taking notes from dets O. I was attempting to changing her nappy earlier on, when she proceeded to kick her heels into the poo, then flip onto her tummy and scuttle off. Pooey bottom wiggling along, pooey heels dragging at the floor hmm Thanks baby!

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 14-Sep-13 11:37:45

grin pig I love how you described that.

MissMummy1 Sat 14-Sep-13 12:09:28

Hi everyone, sorry I haven't posted for a few days. Been reading bits and pieces but not had 2 mins to myself! So here goes for a big catch up (and a quiche-fish-slap worth wobble..)

Utterly fab news on some sleep stunt - long may it continue!!

PR I don't really know what to say about the shouty incident. I am glad they handled it well but it would leave me seriously questioning things. Having done a placement (very briefly) in a (very poor) private nursery, I have big hang ups about other people looking after M.

Apple I can't imagine how hard that must be for all concerned. I went to school with a boy with Iranian family and he always waxed lyrical about what an utterly beautiful place it was. I never believed him until I saw his recent FB pics from a trip there. Breathtakingly stunning. I hope one day you can all go.

Chasing everyone has already said what I am thinking, but my response would be no. It is your space. When I moved into my own flat after separating from an ex, it was horrible having him be in it when he was visiting my new flatmate. Entirely different circumstances - we never lived together, he wasn't violent and our split was entirely amicable read my doing but yet I still couldn't cope with having him in my 'new life space'. Anyway, what I am saying is your flat is your space and there is absolutely no reason why he needs to be there.

Pass were you at ffirs? attempts deliberate vagueness and fails miserably Frog girl sounds adorable and reminds me of a pupil I had do something very similar on an outward bounds trip!

Having just watched Matilda falling asleep while trying to remove the dog's ears, I very much doubt she will be a frog saver blush I can but hope though!

GT glad you had a nice MW. You will know. I knew for all fucking 30 hours of it. Hmmph.

Hahaha PR I loved reading your blog. I have had some utterly ghastly landlords. I used to come home regularly to find my last one sitting in my apartment, drinking my tea and sifting through my things. She ended up being prosecuted for fraud, criminal damage and harassment. And has since had the flat repossessed. When I moved in I had originally planned to rent it for 6 months and then make her an offer (20k above what it is up for now). Ce'est la ve, I now have a dog and a baby so my days of swanky, top floor apartments are long gone. And it had a dodgy electric heating system that cost more to run than my 4 bed detached house.. Anyway, here it is - hasn't changed much. sad

Hugs lily

Wellies your post the other day, made my day!

Bargainous deal finding detective. You sound like my kind of person!! I have bought M a trike, duplo, a scuba diver fuzzy felts book, an IKEA hobby horse goat thing (totally ridiculous), a scots version of the gruffalo and some musical instruments. These will be split between xmas and birthday. I have a few other bits and pieces to get as stocking fillers and would love a wooden abacus for her. I am eyeing this up for her but cannot justify it this year so may buy it for her 2nd birthday.

MissMummy1 Sat 14-Sep-13 12:16:50

Wow do I win the award for biggest post?!

And now my wibble. Pleeeeeease all talk some sense into me. I have convinced myself I am pregnant. To the point where P has been dispatched to buy a test. I know in my head I can't be - I have the implant fitted and have dtd once since. I am still bleeding intermittently - although much much less than before and I still had 'periods' for the first couple of months with M while oblivious and still on the pill. blush

BUT for the past 5/6 weeks I have been feeling sick at random points throughout the day without warning. I have narrowed it down to a possible cocoa allergy (ffs) and I have had the same pressure headaches I had in the early days with M. And my lower back is all stabby and horrid like last time. And I am incredibly bloated, putting on (admittedly a negligible amount of) weight despite being very careful about what I am eating and I am exhausted all of the time. And the final straw this morning was throwing up after a mouthful of coffee. confused

So. Despite knowing I am definitely not pregnant, my brain needs to see one line on a stick to rationalise that I am just pre-menstrual. To say I have worked myself into a complete state is an understatement.

I fell pregnant on the pill, is it possible the implant has failed me too? confused

ditsygem Sat 14-Sep-13 12:27:49

MM just wait for the test as that will be the only thing that can convince you and make you feel better. hugs

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Sat 14-Sep-13 12:28:10

Wow. Good luck with poas mm

How would you feel if it was positive?

GTbaby Sat 14-Sep-13 12:29:27

Mm have you done the test yet?
Think it's sensibl