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December 2012: and now the babies have mischief in their eyes.

(998 Posts)
halestone Sun 25-Aug-13 21:51:45

New thread

PurplePidjin Sun 25-Aug-13 22:02:42

Thanks, Hales brew

ISpyPlumPie Sun 25-Aug-13 22:03:59

Cheers Hales.

Spotty - poor DD. Is there any way you could speak to the fit pharmacist before Wednesday about stopping her cream? Otherwise, 111 sounds like a plan - hope you get someone helpful.

Willyou - it will be Ashton we go to for swimtots, most likely on a Wednesday. Will let you know if we are definitely going, could be a mini meet up smile.

Had a lovely evening. Both boys were really good for Grandma and it was very nice to just have a bit of a laugh together without having to worry about rounding up small people as well.

2blessed Sun 25-Aug-13 22:06:12

Thanks hales

Ooh lovely ISpy.

Thanks for the thread Hales.

halestone Mon 26-Aug-13 03:39:44

I'm not quite sure how this has happened but i'm on the edge of my bed whilst a naked well shes got her nappy on H has got the majority of the bed. But at least she isn't screaming nowgrin

Thanks hales.

Glad you had a good time ispy smile no pharmacies open until tomorrow when I might as well just call the doctor! I know it sounds awful but dd has nursery tomorrow and I've paid for it so don't want her missing it blush

Ds is nine months today shock

I just bought an R&R carrier blush don't tell dp

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 07:45:54

Happy 3/4 birthday, MiniSpotty! Dp has an r+r and loves it, it's the jolly roger one i haven't told him it's reversible smile

I got the owl one smile

Barbeasty Mon 26-Aug-13 08:42:21

Jealous of the r&r, but I love my boba.

DH refuses to baby wear, and tolerates my growing sling stash with bemusement.

We've just noticed a gouge taken out of the plaster in the lounge wall, by DD's giant picture. First attempt to find out what she'd done consisted of "the wall did it by itself". We eventually established she'd swung her umbrella into it.

IsThatTrue Mon 26-Aug-13 08:54:42

I feel like a zombie. This boy needs to learn to sleep!

Down at 7. Awake at 8, 9, 10, 12, 2, 3 (all at least 20 minute feeds) and then up for the day at 5. I handed him to DH at 6.30 and got a couple of hours but I honestly feel like the walking dead. This is going on way too long!

Thanks for the thread lazza

spotty if the rash isn't bothering dd I'd keep using the cream tbh, it'll be doing more good than harm iykwim. DS has reactions to a lot of antibiotics (rashes) but the pluses of giving the medicine far outweigh the negative of the rash.

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 09:02:23

Babywearing daddies are The World's Sexiest Thing Ever!! It's a brilliant way for them to bond - dp has been taking R out since he was 2 weeks old so i could get a bath.

R slept 6:45-5:15 with two 10 minute wakes at 11:30 and 12:30. I woke up at least twice wondering wtf i was doing lying down, and apparently the silence at 3am woke dp!

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 09:02:58

Oh, and the tooth count is up to 4 now grin

Oops beasty! Pesky children.

Sorry you're getting crap sleep IsThat.

Ds is still toothless!

Equimum Mon 26-Aug-13 09:26:16

Happy 3/4 birthday mini spotty! I'm another who's very jealous of your R&R. I have, however, just bought a new Lenny Lamb roses wrap which I love. Just need to practice some different carries now!

Isthat so sorry that you're feeling do exhausted. Are you able to get some sleep during the day today?

F has a horrible cold, so we've been up most of the night, and DH leave for a week in the USA in less than an hour. Could be a long week!

2blessed Mon 26-Aug-13 09:38:51

What's an R&R? I wouldnt mind getting some sort of sling/wrap for nipping out quickly... I'm so late

Happy bank holiday everyone!

Hope you get some rest today isthat

It's a rose & rebellion carrier. They're£80 but there's an offer on zuilly for £50 smile

Morning all, sorry you had such a rubbish night IsThat.

I had a good night here. DS up at 12:30 and then for the day at 6:30. It was DP's turn to get up as I let him sleep until 9:15 yesterday. Off he trotted to the spare room with J, leaving behind his on-call phone, which woke me up at 7:15. hmm

And as a lovely added bonus J has another stomach bug. We've gone through 2 sets of clothes already today. My friend's baby has had it for a week but didn't think to mention it until they were ready to leave after 6 hours. Awesome.

2blessed Mon 26-Aug-13 09:49:42

I want one! Looks very easy to use. Thanks for the tip spotty

Barbeasty Mon 26-Aug-13 09:58:40

Oh willyou not good on either front. I'm glad I don't do on-call any more, I think that would be the last straw with A's sleep!

Spotty I was going to check you'd seen the zulily deal. If only they'd put the preschool ones on there.

DH would rather just carry in his arms and suffer. Some very strange "man" thing. I'll leave him to it and use my slings!

Dd's so tiddly she will still fit in this one grin

ddas Mon 26-Aug-13 10:16:29

Love the patterns on the r&r's.

We have an ergo which I couldn't live without!! Especially with two it's a totally necessity- at least that's what I told dh when he saw how much it was even on sale! But I love it so totally worth it. It even looks manly enough that dh is happy to wear it Barbeasty

Didn't get on with the ring sling though.

Has anyone else's lo gone off breakfast? Dd used to love her wheatabix with puréed fruit but won't eat anything now and we've tried porridge, cheerios etc although she's happy to eat some toast and Cheerios if she can do it herself do maybe it's the spoon she's gone off of.

hales I am enjoying work. Some days are tough and wonder why I'm back but most of the time I finish the day happy that I feel useful in a not only a mum way.

utopian99 Mon 26-Aug-13 12:12:34

Ooh spotty thanks for the r and r tip.off! Like the nautical (reminiscent of the ahoi wrap) but really secretly want the tiger designs. Argh - may have to sacrifice a wrap..

2blessed Mon 26-Aug-13 12:18:40

ddas R only likes porridge/cereal and yogurt from a spoon. All other foods he has to feed himself generally throw around. Took me ages to narrow it down.

IsThatTrue Mon 26-Aug-13 13:00:28

No such luck on resting today, I'm working all day and for once actually have a deadline.

DS is happy to spend time in the buggy now, and as I'm back to wearing heels it's probably better I don't try and carry him in a sling too often. Really can't afford a new one anyway. Although I can still use my stretchy if I wash it before I use it.

itsMYNutella Mon 26-Aug-13 14:49:34

HELP MY BABY IS BROKEN!!! As I might have posted on here before DS is has an aversion to napping and when he naps it's normally 30 minutes.... He is on his third nap of the day confused and has been asleep for about an hour confused confused very odd.... he very nearly crawled earlier...
Ok so he isn't really broken (he also got up super early at 6:30 <yawn> he normally gets up around 7am or later). But I wish he had told me he was going to sleep longer! I have a wedding to plan!! - any websites/tips/ cashwink welcome grin

2blessed DS was trying to get some food onto a spoon himself the other day. I've forgotten what it was; but you could see what he was trying to do and although it was rather unsuccessful it was very cute.

ah he's awake... bum

itsMYNutella Mon 26-Aug-13 14:52:42

2blessed I was also going to say DS prefers to feed himself but enjoys yogurt or porridge on a spoon.

lazzaroo Mon 26-Aug-13 18:49:06

Oh my word, we've had traumatic poo situation! TMI alert! Poor baby lazza really constipated yesterday. Finally managed to go at 1am but screamed & it literally bought tears to her eyes sad. same thing earlier today, she was clearly in so much pain. Then I had brainwave & fed her, I think it does something to help (&obviously comforts) and she managed to pass it. "Hooray for booby power"....to quote DH telling his parents how we sorted it (they were here!)

Has since done a much softer poo with minimal effort smile

Off on holiday tomorrow so may be absent for a bit. Hope you all have a good week!

Have fun Lazza, where are you off to? Glad DC managed to poo!

DS is a screaming, explosive pooing, teething nightmare. 2 of his 5 that popped through last Sunday have decided to cut properly today. Two full top teeth in one day. He can't eat, hated his bath and DP had to sing him to sleep (grin). He's had everything except calpol and DP couldn't understand why I wouldn't give it to him until after the neurofen had kicked in. Obviously now if he wakes screaming again we have somewhere to go.

3 week holiday detox begins tomorrow hmm so I'm using up the leftover party wine tonight grin

Have fun lazza congratulations on the poo wink

WillYou poor j but wow at all the teeth!

I have to write to my doctor to say they're allowed to give out information about whether or not I have a history of substance abuse to my new employers can someone help me with how to word it?

WLmum Mon 26-Aug-13 20:24:27

Thanks for the thread hales
spotty id keep it simple, 'dear dr, it is a condition of my new employment that you confirm that I have no previous record of substance abuse. I therefore give my consent for this information to be released to xx'. Yours sincerely, spotty. '
Do you have to pay?

All this talk about wraps reminds me I really need to sort something out for T. I have got a mothercare version of a baby bjorn which I used a handful of times with dd1&2. Since then I have learnt about the hip issues - does anyone know (lazy WL avoiding own research) if issues are the same using them for back carries? Love my ring sling but def hurting my back now but I really can't afford to buy anything else. Got some baby stuff on eBay to raise cash for bills next month :-(

jackandjilly Mon 26-Aug-13 20:53:48

Thanks for the new thread hales grin

IsThatTrue Mon 26-Aug-13 21:32:24

Well if this evening is anything to go by I will be trading in my DS for a new one tomorrow. 2hrs 15mins to go to bed!

> tired <

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 21:45:14

WL the hip issue thing isn't proven. However, compare high street carriers with their strip of fabric between the legs to less known types with fabric right across from knee to knee. Would you rather sit on a bar stool or in an arm chair? Iyswim. Also, on the less known types the weight is distributed to the outer shoulder muscles, on the high street types it's the neck, which is uncomfortable for the wearer.

You can pick up a mei tai - ties instead of buckles - for pence on ebay. Palm+Pond aren't great but MNS designs I've heard good things about. £20-30 iirc smile

utopian99 Mon 26-Aug-13 22:13:56

Second what pidj says - we used ergonomic types frombbirth but a friend has just swapped after trying one of ours as she said it was so much better on her back/neck..

Little man now has one tooth just breaking through, top right, and one threatening an appearance beside it but further to the right, so if they both emerge will look a bit lopsided (poor ds.) Teeth have messed up what was a relatively settled 5hr-feed+4hr sleep pattern. Urghggg.

Also had a bit of a scare pfb moment yesterday when his rash suddenly got a lot worse over 4 hours, and ended up in urgent care till 3 in the morning, only tobe given aantibiotics and more creams. They seem tobe jhelping but his neck looks awful and I can't help feeling that no one's really that sure what it is. Just want him to be better, although I guess he isn't behaving as if he feels at all unwell..

halestone Mon 26-Aug-13 22:31:50

Utopian aww i hope hes ok now and that you are toothanks H's teeth didn't come through in the conventional order either apparently its called cross teething and causes more discomfort for them. Touch wood though H seems to not get too distressed whilst teething.

Willyou i hope J's ok i would be pretty upset if a friend had brought their poorly baby round and didn't mention it till towards the end of the day.

Lazza enjoy your holiday.

WLmum Mon 26-Aug-13 22:40:55

Thanks pidj, makes sense. i just checked the mc carrier and it only goes up to 26lb and as Tabs is already over 21lbs I'd need something else soonish anyway.
Why are palm and pond not great? I don't think ties instead of buckles should be an issue. Just trying to work out what I need to look out for before making a purchase. All those on eBay at the moment seem to be new and as you say £20-£30 so not too bad. Will keep looking. Thanks for the advice. Wish we had a sling meet round here.

WLmum Mon 26-Aug-13 22:49:57

pidj mns have a lovely owl print one on eBay right now, DH said he would be ok with it owl side out (secure in his manhood!).
They offer to make it with longer straps - I guess this might be good for me as I'm very tall and not as slim as I think

IsThatTrue Tue 27-Aug-13 01:45:21

When does this sleep regression thing end? I feel like he's using sleep deprivation as a form of torture.

I've no idea IsThat but I'm hoping soon. We've been up for an hour and a half now. I just need to sleep!

IsThatTrue Tue 27-Aug-13 05:06:27

It took 2 hrs 15 to get him to bed. That was at 9.15. He's been up at 10, 11, 1, 3, 5! He best go back to sleep quickly this time. It's been 30-45 minutes each time so far hmm

I hate moaning about sleep and I know this will get better. But right now I feel awful.

IsThatTrue Tue 27-Aug-13 05:07:36

Urgh fat fingers.

Meant to say willyou I hope you got DS back to sleep!

PurplePidjin Tue 27-Aug-13 05:08:05

P+p are quite small so don't last as long smile

Dp has jolly roger print also secure smile

PurplePidjin Tue 27-Aug-13 05:09:34

P+p are quite small so don't last as long smile

Dp has jolly roger print also secure smile

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 06:38:35

Thanks pidj, small is no good for my big beauty!
willyou and isthat sorry the los are being so tricky. Sleep deprivation is most certainly a form of torture. Fx they are more amenable soon!

Thanks WL I will write that. I hope not I will charge it to new employers if I do hmm

Sorry for people having crappy sleep brew

Ds was awake at 12:30 last night but got himself back to sleep without me having to get out of bed. Dd has been dry for three nights so I'm thinking the cause of the wetting was the thrush

jackandjilly Tue 27-Aug-13 07:54:01

Sorry to hear of rubbish sleep and poorly babies. Fx for speedy recovery and some good night stretches.

Going away for a few nights before the dreaded work! It's going to be a crazy week next week as I'm back at work, ds will be going to the cm and dd will start big school!

Barbeasty Tue 27-Aug-13 07:59:06

WLmum there are a couple of good selling groups on Facebook where you might be able to pick something up.

Not a great nights sleep, but worse was that A woke up when my alarm went off at 5am. He wouldn't feed or go back to sleep, so I had to choose between leaving him crying in his cot while I got up or take him downstairs where he could see me but would still cry and almost certainly wake DD up (better sound insulation through walls than ceiling in our house).

So I had to hear his crying while I got up, showered, have breakfast and get my lunch etc ready.

Thankfully we had a lovely half hour feed before I left home and lots of smiles. I much prefer having to wake him up at 6.15.

And DH was waking DD up as I left, so I haven't seen her today. Stressful start to the week!

It's taken me 1.5h to get j to sleep, including a walk in the pram and a short drive. He's now asleep on my chest, 3 minutes in and he's just done an enormous stinky poo. I'm just going to put a peg on my nose and wait until he wakes as he's shattered confused

halestone Tue 27-Aug-13 11:29:33

Oh Willyou theres nothing worse than a stinky poo.

Isthat and Willyou i hope the babies start sleeping better soon we finally had a good night last night first one in a long time.

Beasty i hope your week gets better soon.

H has finally crawled today i sat quietly and watched her as soon as she got near the tv i picked her up and kissed her. Unfortunately she choose that moment to vomit niceee! Still chuffed she crawled thoughgrin

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 11:46:23

Oh dear beasty. I hid that fb group as it seemed to be very expensive (and lovely!) woven wraps. I think I'll go with a mei tei as I want something that's a bit more pop on and off-able. T seems to be increasingly mummy ish, howled just now when I gave her to mil and then later put her down to wash my hands.

hales Tabs is still a big puker - 3 times so far this am, luckily just milky, the foody ones are gross. If I don't wipe it immediately she finger paints with it - so gross!

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 11:47:12

Well done on the crawling though!

halestone Tue 27-Aug-13 12:00:47

Showing her artistic side already WL? Maybe she'll be the next Monet haha

I just got the appointment through for ds's referral and it's in Southampton argh. I've been told I can't take any time off work in my 6 month probation period and I really wanted to go to dd's first nativity and now there's this as well sad

Barbeasty Tue 27-Aug-13 12:15:37

Yes, I ought to hide it. I went looking to spend about £50 on a ringsling and came away with a beautiful wrap that cost twice as much. But someone did refer to anther group called bargain slings or something, and if you posted saying what you were looking for someone might offer something.

Yay on crawling, boo for puking. Fingers crossed A seems to be improving on that point.

Not so good is the email DH just had from his mum asking how she can stop DD calling A a little bugger, and telling him to "come here you little bugger". Oops. Not my fault, this one.

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 12:24:35

beasty that is hilarious!
I've just been experimenting with the moby again and whilst it does provide the most fantastic cuddle it was hurting my back in no time, and as stretchys aren't recommended for back carries it looks like its time to move on.

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 12:25:51

spotty wait til you start and see - places often write this in their contracts but individual managers can be more flexible. Maybe there'll be someone you could swap a shift with?

I hope so! I'm going to phone Southampton in a bit as I was told they did a clinic in Chichester which is much more convenient....

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 14:02:15

Lovely owly print mei tei ordered.

Barbeasty Tue 27-Aug-13 14:05:31

Spotty cross post. I missed DD's first nativity because it was the day A was born. She arrived late for it too.

I hope you can sort something for DD's appointment. I've only just twigged how far Southampton is from you ,that's mad. Can you go online and check what clinics the consultant does nearer you? Ours do them in all sorts of tiny hospitals, and we're much closer to the main one.

Beasty I phoned and she doesn't do a Chichester clinic anymore. The secretary said if we went anywhere else we would be waiting much longer too. It also means we will have to go there for the op probably, 8am nil by mouth etc. It's not going to be fun but I can talk to her about it at the appointment I suppose.

WL that looks really cool! I can't wait to get my R&R!

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 14:35:26

The r and rs look fab but way out of my price range (specially the pre-schoolers!)

Pita re hospital apts but if that's the only option then so be it.

I missed dd1s first carol concert as I was still in hospital after having T. DH videoed it for me.

DD's nativity in in the afternoon and then they have their Christmas party afterwards which parents attend so I'd really like to go, will just have to wait and see I suppose, hopefully my record or one day off sick in over six years will let them know I'm reliable and won't be taking days off willy nilly..

Won't you get holidays to take though Spotty?

They don't like you taking time off in your probation period

Maryland2013 Tue 27-Aug-13 15:23:52

Spotty you're entitled to holidays though, I can't see that being legal in terms of employment rights saying you can't take holidays in the first 6 months??!!

Doesn't one of the mums on here work in HR or is a lawyer? Unless I imagined that...

Maryland2013 Tue 27-Aug-13 15:25:47

Hales well done H on the crawling! DS will only crawl backwards!?

I know I don't want to creat a bad impression though!

Maryland2013 Tue 27-Aug-13 16:16:37

It's not unreasonable to ask for holidays when you have 2 children- work life balance and all that!

You accrue 1 week per 3 months that you work there as a statutory minimum. They cannot tell you you can't take any holidays for 6 months!

I know they can't legally but I'm not going to do anything to annoy them jobs are hard to come by same reason in my old job I worked 7:15-5 with no breaks. Im in a really bad mood, I've got a headache and ds has been moaning non stop for hours

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 18:27:59

Hey spotty did you do the 5+2 diet? Seriously time for me to stop being such a pig and now T is feeding less I was wondering about effect on supply.

itsMYNutella Tue 27-Aug-13 18:38:02

Hales congrats on the crawling! DS is still in commando mode but he is so fast! He gets up on all fours and does that very cute wiggle. Although today there was more arm and leg movement in the wiggle so I'm sure he won't be long confused he has also started to pull himself up (not to standing, not yet) on a few things...

spotty when do you start your new job? I'm sure they will be flexible about it, they must know from your interview/ application processthatyou have kids. Hope DD is feeling better too.

We had a rotten night last night. DS kept waking up screaming, almost hourly from 12:30 onwards.

Today MIL came and took DS out for a bit over an hour. She is 69, had a big heart op two years ago and really hasn't done much about diet fitness etc. she also doesn't have a mobile... I was a little bit worried about them, is that unreasonable?
She was sweating when she brought him back so much so her glasses were steamy I showed her how to use the breaks and put the buggy flat if he slept etc. of course he didn't sleep though. She told me he was chatting away to her for the last 30 mins or so.
Yes that's what he does when he gets really tired.
Her response was "why doesn't he close his eyes and go to sleep then?" angryHonesty I could have thrown her out of a window I told her that sadly he doesn't go to sleep that easily well he does but you need to listen when someone explains a few tricks to you on how to help him sleep
Ho hum...

Didn't effect me at all and I lost 1/2 stone that wasn't shifting after ds. You can still eat on the fasting days as long as its under 500 cals.

Dp is decorating our rooms and we've got chalkboard paint in the dc's bedroom it looks really good!

PurplePidjin Tue 27-Aug-13 18:47:53

R commandoes, occasionally gets up on all fours the decides wriggling is faster. He crawls "properly" on the odd occasion he's on carpet or rough grass. He much prefers standing and hauling himself round furniture - sit on our floor and you'll be instantly covered in mountaineering baby!

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 19:34:49

Hmm, maybe my bf excuse is starting to wear thin then spotty! I'm the same weight as I was before becoming pg with T but I was at my heaviest ever then. I'd really like to lose a stone. Perhaps I'll give it a go on Friday. Great idea with the chalkboard paint.

nutella not u. I was secretly

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 19:37:15

Oops! Secretly pleased that pil had to call bil/sil back from a night out as they couldn't settle 6 wo dn. not just mine who are tricky to settle then! I know they always thought it was because I was bfing (which to a certain extent is true) and thought it would be much easier all round to ff. I'm a big meanie aren't I?!

I was hoping it would come off on its own all this 'bf helps you to lose weight' er no it doesn't! I think once I'm back at work I will be eating less!

Nutella I would be exactly the same!

halestone Tue 27-Aug-13 20:51:58

I think i imagined the crawling as she has absolutely refused to do it again today.

Nutella that would wind me up as well, but good on your mil for giving it a try grin.

Spotty i have no suggestions about holidays etc but normally everything has a way of sorting itself out in the end. So i'll keep my FX that you get those days off.

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 21:02:38

I second hales, that's a lovely approach.

MamaTo3Boys Tue 27-Aug-13 21:04:30

Is this thread for parents of babies born in December 2012? X

Yes it is although we have a few waifs and strays from November and January wink

MamaTo3Boys Tue 27-Aug-13 21:06:02

I'm in the right place then grin DS was born 17th December smile

Welcome 3boys smile feel free to boast, moan and ask any questions grin

MamaTo3Boys Tue 27-Aug-13 21:09:34

Thanks smile

I do have a question as it happens. Where are all your little bundles of mischief upto with their physical development milestones?

I think my baba may have an extreme case of lazyitis haha

Ds is 9 months (just under 8 corrected) and sits, commando crawls, pulls up onto knees and sometimes (rarely) standing, loves to stand though up against the sofa etc and has just learnt to very slowly climb the stairs. He can sit but hates it. Doesn't feed himself at all if I try to hand him some food he just sits there with his mouth open looking at me grin

MamaTo3Boys Tue 27-Aug-13 21:43:21

Haha he sounds like fun! grin

My DS can't sit unaided yet. He lies on his tummy and pushes his head off the floor and rolls but thats about it.
He doesn't attempt to feed himself, wont even hold his bottle.

Defo a lazyyyyy baby!

Hi mama. My DS was born the 16th, he won't hold his bottle (even though when he wasn't strong enough a few months ago he'd insist on doing it himself hmm) but he does the other things on your list plus pulling up. Do your other 2 bring him whatever he needs? People usually say that 2nd and 3rd babies are lazier as they have willing slaves to pander to them grin

Does anyone have any thoughts either way on cruising shoes? People keep recommending them to me as J is doing a sort of butterfly stroke on land and likes to practice walking. But I thought barefoot was supposed to be best for learning to walk.

halestone Tue 27-Aug-13 21:57:45

Welcome 3boysgrin my DD is more vocally developed than physically. She can sit unaided i thought she crawled today but has since refused to do it. She can pull herself up but only onto people.

Willyou i'm not sure about cruising shoes. On a sidenote though have you seen the shoes for babies in clarks? Their fugly. I know their for practical reasons but they could of at least made them pretty.

grin Hales I've not looked. I'm off to google the fugly shoes!

Aw I think some are quite cute Hales. Like these and there's some pretty pink ones. Admittedly the boys ones that ill be buying are ugly!

I like these for boys. But OMG the price for baby shoes shock

MamaTo3Boys Tue 27-Aug-13 22:06:14

The older 2 DSs don't really pay much attention to DS3 :S they'd rather be off playing their own games outside etc. they're 4 and 7. Apart from lots of hugs from them in the evening when were on our "wind down" hour.

Not 100% sure what cruising shoes are :S but DS1 and 2 learnt to walk in bare feet apart from when we were outside. Then they'd normally wear crawlers.

MamaTo3Boys Tue 27-Aug-13 22:08:13

Ah those boys shoes are cute! Dont think I'd pay that much though for shoes they're probably going to grow out of quite rapidly haha

WLmum Tue 27-Aug-13 22:15:20

Welcome mama - I'm your opposite number - mama to 3 girls! Dd3 is much more physically advanced than dd1&2 were at this age, she sits, crawls, pulls/stands up on anything that keeps semi still and has let go for a nano second here and there.

Sod the expensive shoes, get some grippy socks! I tried T in soft leather ones that dd1 had when we were camping but she just kept taking them off. None of mine liked shoes or even socks much. Bare feet before it gets too cold I say.

halestone Tue 27-Aug-13 22:22:34

Willyou they look nice on the t'internet but in real life they are so ugly. I went to the store in Clarks store in Aintree at the back of Mothercare and the Mothercare shoes were much nicer, and cheaper as well. I brought them so H could play outside in her walker, turns out there was no point she can twist her foot out of shoes so easily. I now stick with WL's suggestion on socks with grippers on.grin

PurplePidjin Tue 27-Aug-13 22:29:13

Welcome, 3boys smile ds is 9 months (19/11 but was due 30/11 corrected from 2/12!) he crawls, pulls up, cruises, sits etc. He's mixed weaned so has purees from us and finger foods blw style, he can drink from a sippy cup but not feed himself with a spoon he probably could but I'm too scared of the mess most of that has come in the last couple of weeks - he's a month older than most here though. He says mamam and dada and ta plus other sounds that might mean something - there's a sort of mumumumum he makes for milk (demand bf) and akh which might be cat?

He has soft shoes (£4 from Asda) for the odd occasion he's crawling or walking out and about, like at the park, otherwise he's got bare feet. I took him out of babygrows as soon as he looked like pulling up, we have wood flooring and it's very slippy. MIL bought him a gorgeous pair of white leather Daisy Roots with bears on from TK Maxx, I'm hoping he grows into them in time for his christening in just under 3 weeks!

MamaTo3Boys Tue 27-Aug-13 22:43:21

Wow everyones babies sound like they're coming on in leaps and bounds smile

DS is due his development check on 10th sept so ill mention it to HV about him not sitting etc. maybe she can suggest something other than tummy time which she suggested last week.

Poor DS spends loads of time on his tummy as it is, if he's there any longer he'd practically live on the floor haha

PurplePidjin Tue 27-Aug-13 22:49:25

He'll do it when he's ready, 3boys. In the meantime, why not sit him with his hands on his ankles for support, a v cushion behind him and a favourite toy in front of him? Or if you've got an activity bar thing with stuff that dangles? He must sit ok for food!

MamaTo3Boys Tue 27-Aug-13 22:59:34

Yeh he sits in his high hair at meal times but leans in the back of it for support.

He can sit up straight he just can't balance, he falls to the side. I generally sit behind him on his playmat or something to try and support him without fully supporting him if that makes sense. I keep my hands either side of him and give him a nudge back into an upright position if he starts to topple.

Maybe I try and support him a bit too much and its me thats made him lazy :S

halestone Tue 27-Aug-13 23:06:48

3boys i wouldn't worry too much about it theres bound to be things that your DS can do that our babies can't yet. I've decided that babies do what they want when want. But by the time they start school they will all be walking and talking. and we'll all probably hate that they can say mum haha

To get H to sit i use to sit behind her ok the floor in a sitting position with her toys all around us so we could play and she'd lounge back on to me. Eventually she started leaning forward to grab her toys then she started sitting but not leaning on me at all so i put cushions down behind her. Then she would self correct if she started to fall which then led to her pushing herself up into the sitting position.

halestone Tue 27-Aug-13 23:07:46

X post sorry. I think the way your doing it makes sensegrin

IsThatTrue Wed 28-Aug-13 05:22:14

Not sure I thought I would be celebrating 4 hr wake ups at 8mo, but by god it's done me some good!

Welcome 3boys ds2 is 8.5 mo (8th dec) and has been on the mice since 6mo with commando crawling. He got real crawling at 8mo and cruising. He also likes to let go while standing hmm. But dd and ds1 were less physically advanced. Dd sat at 6mo but in sure ds1 was 8mo, and I out it down to the fact he was chubbier so had to do more to balance himself. I hope the hv makes you feel happier and possibly gives you some help.

willyou/WL (sorry sure it was one of you but can't for the life of me remember which one) WRT diet, I can't restrict my calories or my milk supply decreases. What I've done is stop eating as much processed stuff, fill up on fruit veg/ protein. Reduce the carb portions. And run 3x a week. I'm now 26lbs down (in 8 weeks) 24 left to go. Good luck.

Don't bother with any shoes at all. Dd's physio said for any baby they don't recommend shoes until they've been walking properly for six weeks (obviously they need them outside) always bare foot indoors.

3boys ds has only just started sitting really he just refused to before that. He spends all his time on his tummy even sleeps on it. Dd sat at 8 months and crawled a week before her first birthday.

Ds didn't wake until 6:15 smile and is now having a lovely feed. Dd is still asleep! Unusual for my early risers.

Equimum Wed 28-Aug-13 07:24:08

isthat glad you had a better night. I hope the number of wake ups continues to decrease.

Yay Spotty for kids sleeping in (never thought 7am would be a lie in!).

3Boys As others have said, all children develop at different rates, but do have a chat with HV to put your mind at rest. DS will be 8 months tomorrow and he sits, crawls, pulls up, cruises etc.

DS slept better than he had been last night. Hopefully his cold is on it's way out now.

Have local group of mums coming for lunch etc today, so need to do some cleaning/ hiding the clutter. Decided to clean toys last night and accidentally 'killed' the Fisher Price cookie jar by filling it with water! Luckily, a night in the airer brought it back to life grin

WLmum Wed 28-Aug-13 08:06:09

isthat I love that ds has 'been on the mice since 6 months' - unusual approach to weaning! Sounds like you're doing amazingly with your weight loss. I'm just having a serious loss of will power and keep eating the kids biscuits etc. I've worked out a menu for a fast day that looks doable. Still debating whether to give it a go or wait a bit longer.

WLmum Wed 28-Aug-13 08:06:40

Just getting off the train to work - boo.

IsThatTrue Wed 28-Aug-13 08:36:57

grin WL I should not be allowed to post at 5am.

> ahem <

DS has been on the move since 6mo.

No mice have been harmed in the weaning of this baby!


Eek dp just found a spiders nest behind the coving

MamaTo3Boys Wed 28-Aug-13 09:53:46

I guess some babies are just later than others with physical development. Ill try not to worry but ill have a word with HV next time I see her smile

DS has figured out he can grind his teeth this morning confused the sound of it is going through me!

Ugh Mama I had hold of J's face the other day when lhe started doing it. I could feel them rasping against each other envy (sick face)

We're off out for a walk with my sister and her horse-sized dog. we can't go fast as her appendix scar still hurts. That suits me fine!

utopian99 Wed 28-Aug-13 10:30:46

Loving the mice weaning! wink

Barbeasty Wed 28-Aug-13 10:45:05

I know babies will put anything in their mouths, but mice.....

When we got DD's first shoes they wanted her to have been walking independently for 6 weeks, and to be using flat feet not tip toes.

Small bit of advice for when you do get shoes, we used a specialist child shoe shop and they measured a teddy's feet first. That made it slightly easier to get DD to agree, so might be worth taking your own teddy and see if they'll do it.

DS is definitely cruising, and thinks it's the most amazing thing ever to crawl into the kitchen. But we must stop DD "helping" and dragging him back by one leg.

Turns out she just liked the sound of the word bugger. Didn't even know it was a word. Back to calling him a little robot. No idea why, but only she is allowed to.

Oh yeah independent shoe shops all the way. Clarks are awful ime. Start rite shoes or European brands much better

IsThatTrue Wed 28-Aug-13 15:13:40

DS has his first fat lip. He face planted into the floor from all fours. No idea why, he was very tired though. His 1 and only tooth gave him a split lip. Looks really painful although it can't be too bad as he's eating/feeding fine and still putting toys etc in his mouth.

This boy is going to have many many a+e trips!

IsThatTrue Wed 28-Aug-13 19:22:21

Hmm, worse than we first thought. He's badly bruised his top gum and isn't eating/feeding properly now sad

Nightmare child!!

halestone Wed 28-Aug-13 19:32:17

Oh isthat i hope he and you are ok.thanks Could you give him some ice to take down the swelling? Or give him some frozen grapes to suck on?

Oh no IsThat, will he eat a yoghurt or ready brek? I remember dd's first tooth through lip incident. Have you given him neurofen?

WLmum Wed 28-Aug-13 19:35:25

spotty I hate finding spiders nests. Have the Hoover at the ready - as soon as you disturb it tons of baby spiders will be running everywhere.

I had to express at work today - just when I was thinking I thought if make it another hour my boobs filled up like air bags! Poor little T did cry when I got home but a nice big boob feed sorted her out.

I've got ear ache :-(. No wonders babies are miserable when they have it.
Ts bottom gums are looking quite swollen and she's quite dribbley. Wonder how long before teeth appear.

mama I don't think it sounds like you've got anything to worry about re development. As you say, just a lazy baby (or maybe a bit uncoordinated). I had friends who's babies were walking before dd1&2 were even trying to crawl. Dd1 was particularly rubbish and she is now at 6 sometimes lazy but generally not very coordinated or physically confident (but not in an off the norm way).

MamaTo3Boys Wed 28-Aug-13 19:50:22

Isthattrue - fat lips aren't fun at all sad DS2 fell out of the back door and face planted the concrete outside when he was just under 1.

Blood everywhere! I panicked and started running round like an idiot trying to find my phone to ring a taxi for A&E (these things tend to go missing in emergencies) and DSs dad picked him up, cleaned him up and revealed that it was only a tiny cut.

It swelled up a few hours after though so we gave him an ice pop to suck on which took the swelling down x

DP hoovered it and filled the gap grin

Hmm I need a new bra for work as I only have nursing bras! Might have to get one on eBay as no high street stores sell my size hmm

MamaTo3Boys Wed 28-Aug-13 19:53:25

Tried cushions round Oliver today (using his name as I don't like this DS1,2&3 thing) he toppled a few times but eventually got the hang of it and sat unaided for 10-15 mins, which is an achievement for him smile

Think he may have been using me as a cushion to be lazy and lounge around on haha.

MamaTo3Boys Wed 28-Aug-13 19:55:16

Think I'd move house if I found a spiders nest confused

Hate the things! Yet my 2 older sons thinks its hilarious to pick them up and chase me round the house with them. Little devils!!!

3boys we get massive ones in the Autumn, a good 3 inches long and 2 across. DP is scared of spiders and has broken our sofa trying to kick one. They're so big that their legs stick out of a pint glass if you manage to get one over one. Yuck! Sounds like Oliver is quite capable of sitting he just isn't that into it!

Yay well done Oliver!

Ugh to a spiders nest Spotty. I'm a lot more scared of creepy crawlers since I've had J. No idea what that's about.

grin To the idea of your DD pulling A around by the leg Barbeasty. She really is a little comedian!

Hope you're day at work wasnt too bad WL.

Sorry about the fall IsThat. Hope he feels better soon. I second the ice pop idea.

DP went to work this morning leaving me with a perfectly round-headed baby. He returned to find an egg of unknown origin on DS' forehead. He's gone to football and now there are two confused He'll never leave me alone with him again.

DS has grown 3 new teeth this week and don't we know about it. He now has 3 top teeth to go with his 2 bottom ones. He keeps biting everyone so I'll have to address that next blush

He currently won't go to sleep. It's been 1h 20 so far.

Oh WillYou DP is at football too but is bringing me back chocolate wink DS has been really miserable so I'm wondering if he will get a tooth? No other signs though and I can't see any.

IsThatTrue Wed 28-Aug-13 20:40:16

spotty try www.brastop.com free delivery if you order over £75 and free returns. I tried on loads in Ann summers today but they don't go above a G cup and it was too small. I do know a 32 chest fits though so that's a plus! Lol

Oh thanks IsThat they've got free delivery until saturday. It just annoys me because I can't try any on before I buy them. I need a 28 band not a single shop in my nearest city had them (apart from New Look in an A cup hmm)

Maryland2013 Wed 28-Aug-13 20:45:01

Spotty I get all bras from bravissimo... They have good sales too. Had to buy new ones recently as boobs have shrunk post pregnancy/ breast feeding. To be fair I'm not that bothered as they're more in proportion now!

I'm dreading DS starting to crawl and cruise as these accidents are inevitable!

Maryland2013 Wed 28-Aug-13 20:47:33

Also, debenhams back sizes are really small so you might be ok with 30backs and down in cup? 30 are miles too small for me there but Freya and bravissimo 30 fit great.

I just want to try them on first I really don't have the money to be buying 6 different styles/sizes at £30 each. Not going near a Debenhams unfortunately (nearest is a good 40 minutes away). Might have to stick with the nursing ones until I actually get paid wink

MamaTo3Boys Wed 28-Aug-13 20:57:56

A bit off topic, but what are you all planning for babies birthday?

I know its early, but I have to plan well in advance as I have 2 December birthdays to sort out this year shockconfused

halestone Wed 28-Aug-13 21:16:43

Yay to Oliver 3boys grin we're thinking of presents but not party's etc yet.

Spotty my sister has humungeous boobs and buys all hers from bravissimo but i think their quite expensive.

WL i bet T loved her bf when you got home it must be a really nice way to spend some time with her.

Willyou yay to the teeth and boo to eggs on his head.

Beasty i love the sound of your DD she sounds hilariousgrin

I don't have big boobs at all!

I don't know about ds' birthday. I will be working sad

Maryland2013 Wed 28-Aug-13 22:22:09

Online shopping spotty! Usually free delivery and returns!

WLmum Wed 28-Aug-13 22:28:55

spotty Guildford now has a Rigby and Peller - they are expensive but are made to measure and excellent quality apparently. That's what I'm asking for for Xmas!

WLmum Wed 28-Aug-13 22:40:57

After I stopped feeding dd2 I tried the m&s bra fitting service. The lovely lady brought me just about every bra in the shop and she couldn't find one that fitted properly. I was there for hours and it was so depressing.

IsThatTrue Wed 28-Aug-13 23:33:44

spotty that's where a credit card comes in handy, order on the cc, try on, send back all that don't fit/you don't like, they refund the returns to the cc, you then only have to pay off what you ordered.

We have DS a frozen teething ring to try and stop the swelling. And have him nurofen half an hour before bed.

Is that my credit card has crept up over the past month blush I really shouldn't!

IsThatTrue Thu 29-Aug-13 08:10:39

Oh I c. Your best bet is to order 1 on free delivery if you know your size then.

We're going for a family run this morning. Lets see how that goes!

Barbeasty Thu 29-Aug-13 08:15:47

The good news is A was in his cot until 4am! I guess that counts as his first sleeping through. Although he wimpered and went back to sleep a few times so I didn't get to sleep through. He took some waking at 6.15 too.

The bad news is I switched on my laptop when I got into work this morning and it has a blue screen and isn't working. IT are sending an engineer, probably sometime this afternoon.

So a day of forced filing for me....

Oh beasty blue screen of death shock

Barbeasty Thu 29-Aug-13 08:37:30

I know. (Somewhere at home we have his and hers tshirts with a blue screen, which programmer DH thought were so amazing. ....)

The it help desk man didn't even try anything, just booked a technician as it's almost certainly hardware.

I'm just lost without a computer! It does make me glad I upgraded my phone the other week though, as I'm in the Bristol office and can play on 4g. DH is very jealous...

We're planning a trip to the aquarium for DS birthday, but no idea what to get as a present.

envyWe don't even have 3G round here

utopian99 Thu 29-Aug-13 09:00:53

No idea about O's birthday as it's the 27th. Thinking we might see if we can persuade pils to come to my parents and have family Christmas with very small family birthday for O after.. he'd enjoy the day just for having both dogs there! (Apparently they are the Most Hilarious Thing at the moment.)

IsThatTrue Thu 29-Aug-13 09:11:41

No idea for ds's birthday, probably just a family thing. The big ones will want some sort of fuss making.

WLmum Thu 29-Aug-13 09:13:12

isthat how lovely. I was going to try for a quick jog this morning but my back has been really sore. Did some back exercises instead - really must try to do them daily.

Barbeasty Thu 29-Aug-13 09:14:35

We don't get anything but an intermittent 1g signal at home, but since I spend a couple of days a week working in Bristol, I decided to bite the bullet and get it. Makes filling time much more enjoyable. ...

A's birthday is the 14th, so most places will be in Christmas special mode. I'm hoping the aquarium won't (but will still be open).

Every present I think of DH just points out that DD will probably enjoy it more. But you only have the one time of year, so I want something he won't grow out of before his next birthday. It's easier with DD- exactly 6 months between Christmas and birthday.

MamaTo3Boys Thu 29-Aug-13 10:48:48

I was thinking of maybe having a small family party thing at home for Oliver's bday

Then going to the brewers fayre near me for my 4yo 5th bday for a meal as it has a soft play area in there. Do you think I'd have to reserve a table well in advance with it being on the 30th December?

MamaTo3Boys Thu 29-Aug-13 10:50:26

Also, we had a major turn around with Oliver this morning grin

My dad came round and had him standing up holding onto his hands! Couldn't believe my eyes! My dad thinks I'm being too soft with him and not pushing him enough. I think grandads just have that magic touch wink hahaha

utopian99 Thu 29-Aug-13 11:17:04

WL hope your back gets better. This cruising/pre walking stage is really taking its toll on mine too. Rather hoping the scoliosis doesn't get worse..

is that what a lovely idea, v jealous. Used to run quite a bit with the pram when he was 2-4 months but have been so busy lately have failed miserably.

Barbeasty Thu 29-Aug-13 11:31:54

Mama I think if you want somewhere specific I'd book. That's the problem with these winter babies!

One shiny new laptop ordered. Mine was obsolete and unsupported. Hope I haven't lost too much stuff, but I'm surrounded by people backing up now!

Beasty I was thinking the same re getting ds some presents to grow into as dd is a June baby so much easier to spread it out.

Oh and yay Oliver grin

IsThatTrue Thu 29-Aug-13 12:30:53

Well our run was lovely, DH and DS went home after 2.3 miles and I carried on to 5miles, it was lovely, poor DH is quite unfit atm but he did 17 minutes non stop. I'm very proud.

Just found out my brother has kicked his dp (of 8 years) out, via text. He's such a cunt! Although its now 75% certain I'll get my mum and dads house. Which is great news for us. I feel so sorry for his dp though!

utopian99 Thu 29-Aug-13 13:42:27

Crikey is that do you know why? (Sorry, tell me off if I'm being rampantly nosy)

Dh was getting a bit morose at being unfit since we moved south but moved offices two weeks ago and has since been cycling in and is SO much happier. I keep getting happy text messages telling me his latest times!

IsThatTrue Thu 29-Aug-13 17:31:48

Tbh I can only attribute it to him being a prize A twat!

WLmum Thu 29-Aug-13 20:24:14

Epic parenting fail - accidentally gave T twice the dose of antibiotics she should have sad. All 3 have got the same abs, but big 2s are double the strength of Ts. Being a total div I picked up dd1s bottle and merrily dosed her up. Dd1 pointed out my mistake. Dr said its fine and just skip the next dose but I feel a bit crap. It'll def give her a bad belly as she's a bit iffy as it is. Cancelled plans for tom in anticipation of muchos poo.

itsMYNutella Thu 29-Aug-13 20:27:25

utopian I love your use of "rampantly nosey" I miss words like rampant... It's a bit much to explain its uses to non natives confused

isthat well done with the running <impressed>!

spotty if you order from bravissimo you can send it back and have another size sent to you for free - they even post exchange orders to Germany for free! I am a very happy bunny!

WL oh dear... confused <passes extra wipes>

DS has been sleeping awfully, waking every 1-2 hours, suddenly last night slept through until 3 ish am and then fed and slept until 5:30 ish and then he woke again about 6:15 and I took him to bed with me and managed to get him to sleep until 7:30 yipeeee I needed that!

Oh no WL! Easy mistake to make try not to feel bad.

Oh dear IsThat that doesn't sound good.

Ds has been pulling up lots today. Can do it on dd's table now which is eye height when he's kneeling.

Spoke to my step mum today about what needs doing with the children when I go back to work next week sad

IsThatTrue Thu 29-Aug-13 21:28:55

Hmm my brother is definitely moving out but my dads being unreasonable about the house. Urgh I hate having to play hardball with family.

Hmm maybe wait for things to calm down a bit IsThat? What does your dad want to do with it?

Mn is being crap tonight!

halestone Thu 29-Aug-13 22:07:53

Spotty i'm having trouble with mn tonight.

Nutella i lived in Germany till i was 7 i miss the curryverst and frickadellas (not sure of either of those spellings.

WL don't feel too bad it's an easy mistake to make. Hopefully you'll have a diarrhoea free day tomorrow.

We took H to a farm today, she did not like being in her pram and screamed and arched her back so that i couldn't get her in. In the end i ended up holding her and pushing her pram it was very awkward and because of that i don't think either of us enjoyed ourselves very muchhmm

halestone Thu 29-Aug-13 22:08:22

Isthat sorry about your brother xxx

Hales you need to get her a smart trike for Christmas grin I bet she would love going round in that

halestone Thu 29-Aug-13 22:24:03

Sorry about the kisses H started crying as i was typing so i rushed and forgot.

Spotty she would love thatgrin are anyone elses babies really losing their tempers all the time at the moment? H seems to absolutely refuse to do anything she doesn't want to i.e todays screaming and arching her back so i couldn't get her in her pram.

J is Hales. He's being a horror at the minute, he does the red faced, breath holding kind of crying anytime he doesn't get his own way! He had a full scale tantrum today as I told him no to touching the oven confused

He looks a right mess with all his bruises all over his face. He thinks he can walk unsupported now. The carpet/walls/tv table disagree wink

I was a mini hero today! A baby at the baths flipped his swim seat and was trapped upside down under the water. I swam over at the speed of light and yanked him out of there. There was a lifeguard nearby but I was first on the scene and felt quite chuffed with myself. I also managed not to drown J in the process which was a bonus!

halestone Thu 29-Aug-13 22:52:17

Well done Willyouthanksthanks i would of been terrified.

FriendofDorothy Thu 29-Aug-13 23:00:00

Thought I had already posted on this thread. We have been away on holiday, camping followed by a festival which was fun. The mountains of washing isn't though.

Also, I took The Little Mister to have photos taken dressed as an Elf today. Hilarious!

MamaTo3Boys Thu 29-Aug-13 23:02:16

Well down willyou smile I would've panicked. I'm not very good in emergencies unfortunately.

Isthat I wish my brother would get rid of his dp. Can't stand the girl hmm

Oliver doesn't tantrum as such, he tends to do the rapid breathing, huffing and puffing thing with eyes screwed up and nose crinkled haha I can't help but laugh when he does it, he looks so funny! grin X

IsThatTrue Fri 30-Aug-13 01:17:41

willyou that's amazing! Well done you!

spotty well it's just the fact it's a shit pit atm. Going to cost serious money to be liveable. We're willing to do the work but obviously only for a return. But he keeps saying things like 'well if I sold it blah blah blah' whereas he was subsidising my brother living there hmm all just feels like I'm being screwed over somehow. But this is our only chance until inheritance that we're going to get a house of our own. So it's a really big thing.

DS was very happy last night to have the big children back. He really does miss them when they go away. Only 1 week left until they're back at school now though!

utopian99 Fri 30-Aug-13 03:43:42

willyou that's definitely heroic! Poor baby (what was it's parent doing?)

is that sorry to hear about stupid house issues, hope your dad is a bit more sensible after sleeping on it.

WL sorry for impending poo, but easy mistake to make. O is on antis for his rash, and drugs for teeth, and hates taking either, how is T? Poor drugged up babies.

Well.until now I have always settled O as we still feed to sleep but over the last few nights he's been finishing his feed still awake and quietly rummaging in the cot for 5 minutes while I rub his back, 5 minutes extra milk or cuddling and then to sleep.
Nothing worked tonight so after an hour and him having finished wanting mill I asked dh to give it a go as normally he wriggles but I'd run out of ideas. Turned out they say quietly watching the night sky together for 10 minutes, then he turned into DJ's chest, snuggled up and went to sleep! CUTE and also yay! grin
Dh has been a bit sad O wouldn't let him settle him so really happy, plus he's only just woken after 6 hours.

Good news utopian smile

IsThat tell him if he sells it he can give you a deposit for a house grin

Wow WillYou well done you!

3boys that's what ds does screws up his noes and makes a noise like a hedgehog!!

Everyone is asleep...but not me hmm

utopian99 Fri 30-Aug-13 05:41:02

Oh spotty don't worry, so are we. O has just woken up again. He gets himself sitting up or standing very quietly then bursts into tears when he realises we're not there.

2blessed Fri 30-Aug-13 05:51:56

3rd wake up!

Will catch up properly later, feeling really really knackered at the moment.

A few people have asked about R's birthday. My home is a bit small to host so thinking may hire a hall for a few hours and hire in some soft play bits.

Hope everyone is getting some sleep.

IsThatTrue Fri 30-Aug-13 06:55:54

spotty the mortgage is the problem not the deposit sad fx my dad stops being an idiot.

Only 5 wake ups last night smile yay.

Ds's mouth is looking a lot better today smile

We couldn't even buy a shed with the amount a bank would lend us! Although if we moved up north we could probably get a house grin

PurplePidjin Fri 30-Aug-13 07:01:19

R has bizarrely started to like his buggy, but he's mainly on my back in the sling so maybe it's the novelty? 9 month regress still hasn't fucked off, up 3 times last night although the hour long sleep-refusals seem to be over thankfully. I've duffed up my back, so where I'd usually sleep while the boys have breakfast I'm waiting for ibuprofen to kick in. I could barely get R in and out of his cot last night despite a patch and a support bandage sad will he fun this morning as dp has a job interview so we're going with him to a nearby shopping centre. The buggy's at my mum's and a sling is probably a bad idea. Good job he likes shopping trolleys!

WLmum Fri 30-Aug-13 07:48:42

Go willyou! But yes, what were the parents doing and how on earth did lo manage to flip it?!

DH doesn't start work til later so is downstairs with the dds. I'm feeling grumpy and prowly though so need to find something to do.

I was half expecting to be changing nappies in the night but didn't need to. She did have a long feed about 1.30 and then at 6.45 for almost an hour! I guess it's comforting if she's got a grumbly belly. Poor lamb.

WLmum Fri 30-Aug-13 07:56:04

Good luck mrpidj hope your back gets better pidj. I need to be super strict about not feeding lying down and not lifting dd2 etc. just going to do exercises.

utopian99 Fri 30-Aug-13 08:09:28

Good luck pidjmr!

Poor you Pidj, hope the ibuprofen kicks in. Good luck MrPidj.

We all went in a big group (baby group isn't on for a couple of weeks) and she'd just taken her eyes off him for a second. He was 1y old and a very strong kicker. He had steered himself just behind her back and managed to shove his hands through the middle and pull himself over. Think he just was feeling mischievous and bit off more than he could chew. All's well that ends well and at least I now know to watch J like a hawk in his ring.

Argh I've just had a friend request on fb from my TEN year old little sister... What are my parents thinking?!

MaMaPo Fri 30-Aug-13 10:46:46

Morning all! Haven't been on in ages, we just got back from our 10 day holiday last night (over an hour late, thanks to slow French trains which made us miss our connection). We had a good holiday, lots of driving (about 1100km in all) and we stayed in 4 different places. C did well mostly, pretty good with sleeping in the car, and she also did all right with sleeping in her travel cot and other beds. We also kept her up late a lot while we ate out, and she mostly managed fine. She's really sleep deprived though, wouldnt sleep later if she went to bed late, and so now I'm on project Sleep until we go away again (which is on, erm, Sunday).

Hope all the babies are doing ok! Haven't read the thread but a quick skim of the page shows some rotten sleep going around. sad for that. C started the holiday alternating between awful sleep and sleeping through, and now seems to be up once or twice in the night for prolonged sleepy feeds. She hasn't eaten much solid food while on holiday (French baby food seems high in sugar and is really, really mushy and watery) so that's probably why. Of course, it could be sleep regression too - she'll be 9 months next week.

halestone Fri 30-Aug-13 12:09:15

Those pictures sound adorable FoDgrin

Isthat FX it all sorts itself out soon with the house.

WL hope your feeling less grumpy now.

Hope your back is better soon Pidj and that Mr Pidj is successful with his job interview.

Mama that sounds like a nice holiday. Is it the America trip your going on this sunday?

MaMaPo Fri 30-Aug-13 12:36:23

Hales - no! We're off to Denmark for one last visit with friends before we leave the UK in (gulp) three weeks. It's feeling like a whirlwind at the moment. Sometimes I think we're crazy doing all this with a baby.

halestone Fri 30-Aug-13 13:08:56

Awww Mama i think your making nice memories whilst you've got chance it sounds lovely

Welcome back mama!

I got my r&r!!! Ds loves it grin

WLmum Fri 30-Aug-13 20:07:08

mama I second hales and spotty
spotty fb pic please!
hales I was until T dropped my iPhone - shattered screen take 2 :-(

I have almost survived my first fast day on the 5/2. Looking forward to my soup! It has made me realise just how much I snack.

Stacks Fri 30-Aug-13 20:34:57

Hello again everyone. Sorry I've been AWOL - we've never stopped with the terrible sleep, and have just come back from holiday too. So not much time or energy to post.

DS woke me every hour last night, so tonight I've decided to try CC. So far so good, I put him down at 7 and the crying stopped by 7:15. It wasn't nice as he'd cry more after each time I went in, but he settled fantastically quickly all told. Just hoping he sleeps for a while now.

I hope weight loss goes well for those of you trying. I'm actually in the other boat - losing quite a lot of weight. In down to 59kg and for a while lost around 1kg a week. I'm now having second breakfast each day and high calorie snacks to maintain this weight.

I bought a woven wrap recently. I like it, and DS doesn't seem to mind it, but I do find it a bit of a fiddle to get on. I'm using basically the same wrap technique as for the moby, but obviously having to tie with DS in it. I can't get the tension right though, so think I'll have to get along to a sling meet. It's a Didymos Malawi Fishes if anyone is interested.

DS can sit unaided really well, and is excellent at correcting his balance. He quite often will only settle in his pushchair if he's grumpy by not being strapped in - he loves playing with the crotch strap. As a consequence he's got good at balancing even when the pushchair is moving or going up and down kerbs. He's also been pulling up to standing for about the last 4 weeks, and takes steps while holding on (again, for about the last month). No signs of crawling though, and can't sit himself up from laying. He's also not long started rolling back to front. No sign of any communication, except taking the piss copying people coughing. That and really high pitched squealing hmm.

MaMaPo Fri 30-Aug-13 21:43:46

Hey Stacks - good luck with the CC. We seem to have backed off the whole self-settling thing as we've been on holiday and so I've been feeding to sleep. We've decided that given how disrupted everything will be until November when we're back in Australia, and given all the teething, there's no point insisting that she put herself to sleep. Feeding to sleep it is, I guess. No problem with that. If we get really disrupted nights I might revisit this plan though.

QQ for the group - anyone have a baby who is a confident sitter, but has recently started throwing themselves backwards? C has been sitting with increasing skill from about 5 months but in the last 3-4 weeks I have had to put cushions behind her or leave her on her back or front as she has had some nasty knocks from just letting herself go and conking her head on the floor. Any idea what's going on?

WLmum Fri 30-Aug-13 22:02:42

Hi stacks I guess it's the lack of sleep keeping your weight down. I was the same with dd1. Good luck with the cc. It is hard but it does work and sometimes its the only option left. Sounds like a great start - just 15 mins. Dd1 was over an hour first night.

mama no idea! T sometimes falls backwards from looking up too far.

Stacks Fri 30-Aug-13 22:04:01

Mama - T doesn't sit as well when he's tired, could it be that? Not had him throwing himself back though, it's usually more falling sideways slowly.

Spotty - been laying in bed realising I forgot to say - if you can get to a bravissimo shop they should have your size. They measured me as a 28 GG (!!!) and had that size in stock in a small shop. It was a nursing bra though.

Pidg - good luck to Mr Pidg. Mr Stacks had an interview today, no feedback for up to two weeks though.

utopian99 Sat 31-Aug-13 03:24:36

mama could it be a precursor to trying to stand? Before O worked out about pushing himself up from all fours he would just straighten up, hoping the adult behind him would act as a prop... hmm

stacks sorry to hear about sleep issues and weight. I've suddenly dipped below my pre-pg weight due to a spree of the d&v last week (apologies for tmi) but doesn't seem to have affected supply.

Small man has taken to waking up quietly and standing up in his cot to look for me before bursting into tears. I often wake up to him weeping, holding onto the bars - itl looks hheart breaking. Do people have any recommended good nightlights? Might mean he's less upset in the dark?

WLmum Sat 31-Aug-13 07:07:43

utopian bless him! I did a bit of a search for decent night lights that we could have in the hall for bigs going to the loo in the night but came back empty handed. The only ones I could find were the small 'glow' plug ins. So now we leave a light on downstairs that shines a bit up the stairs. You can't even buy really low wattage light bulbs for the hall or a table lamp anymore.

itsMYNutella Sat 31-Aug-13 07:58:44

Morning all!
stacks it's funny, I find with a bit of sleep deprivation I smack more and gain weight but when it's really bad I'm not interested in food and loose weight confused although I'm 4 kilos off pre-baby weight and would need to loose about 10 kilos to be a healthy weight

utopian that would make me so sad! DS rarely cries, when he wakes he sometime has a crawl in his bed and finds his dummy which he then smacks against the bars I should get him a tin mug or he just starts to chat...

Does any one else's non tummy sleeping baby roll onto their tummy in their sleep and then wake up upset? It's a trick of DS' confused

Also, my happy hooligan fell at the park yesterday. Every Friday morning I meet an international group of ladies & babies. It's great because we can chat in English grin. There is a massive sandpit at the park. We sit at the side on some benches... There is about a 30cm drop into the sand pit. I was talking to a friend and looked at DS, he was close to the edge but I figured (since he was busy playing with a bucket) that he was ok. Look back seconds later and he was laying face down in the sand.
Of course i jumped into action and picked up my poor precious baby. Did he cry? No. He was quite happy and had used the opportunity to stuff his face with sand!shock He is a little nutter!

FriendofDorothy Sat 31-Aug-13 09:10:30

Well my inability to get up and go yesterday is maybe explained by the fact that my period started this morning. The first one I have had in 18 months.

MamaTo3Boys Sat 31-Aug-13 10:03:46

Hi all smile

Sorry to hear youre having sleepless babies sad Oliver is v.lazy. He goes to bed at 6 and (through the summer hols) hasn't been getting up till 9. I have a feeling thats all going to change soon though, I've been too lucky with his sleeping patterns so far.

He's also discovered whats between his legs haha in the bath last night he wouldn't stop pulling it shock x

MamaTo3Boys Sat 31-Aug-13 10:07:45

Oliver doesn't seem to nap during the day though, maybe that's why he sleeps all night? He tends to have about half an hour at 12ish then thats it x

Equimum Sat 31-Aug-13 10:14:10

I have a happy little man this morning - daddy was walking through the front door when we got up. DH has just spent a week in New York and we've both missed him lots. They're now both having a nap.

Stacks did you try the cc last night? How did it go?

Utopian we have also just been leaving a hall light on and the door ajar. I did fall in love with a porcelain rabbit night light, but it was nearly £70 shock

Good luck to those of you trying to lose weight. DH is currently attempting the 5:2 diet, although I dare say that he may not have stuck to in the US this week grin. I'm still a couple of kilos off my pre-baby weight, so really need to put some effort into getting that off. DH insists it's all the milk I'm carrying round, but that would mean I'm storing about 2 litres!!!

ddas Sat 31-Aug-13 10:19:37

mama wow for 6-9!!! That's amazing- not even my 2 yr old will sleep that long. Think dd is going to be same as ds & be an early riser. I however am not a morning person!

fod rubbish to have period but guessing in one way a good thing as means you're probably ovulating again and seem to remember you wanted to start trying for no 2?

I got mine a few weeks ago fod. Boo!

Just got some bras delivered and I'm spilling out of them. Will have to go for expensive ones not eBay blush

No bravissimo here unfortunately.

Pidj hope mr pidj's interview went well

MamaTo3Boys Sat 31-Aug-13 10:47:06

I don't get to sleep in till 9 though haha my 7yo DS has me up at 5.30-6 every morning. He also wakes a few times in the night due to his ADHD, but generally sends himself back off to sleep x

MamaTo3Boys Sat 31-Aug-13 10:48:56

What's this 5:2 diet? I keep hearing people talk about it but have no idea what it is lol. Trying to find a diet myself that hopefully works. I've tried all kinds with no luck sad x

Dd just told the lady at the door that my bras are too small hmm

IsThatTrue Sat 31-Aug-13 13:14:58

Hi everyone. Well I went on my first night out since DS was born last night. It was lovely to chat and drink and giggle. And when I got home I found out he had slept the whole time smile so I was very happy.

Then this morning DH and DS came to watch me do my parkrun and I got a sub-30 minute personal best so I'm very happy with that too.

Also my dad appears to be being a lot more reasonable with regards to the house. So me and DH may have a house soon. smile I'm merrily spending hours time on Pinterest!

I hope babies are sleeping better, especially for you stacks I hope the CC works.

WLmum Sat 31-Aug-13 16:33:06

fod I'm currently on 2nd af since being pg - big boo - but explains my grumpiness!

3boys you eat normally for 5 days and 'fast' (500 cals) for 2 non consequitive days. Somewhere there's a big ole thread about it. DH does it with quite good results and I started yesterday. Feel really positive about as aside from the weight loss it has positive health benefits such as lowering cholesterol etc. I know I couldn't stick to an everyday diet so fx for this one.

MamaTo3Boys Sat 31-Aug-13 19:50:50

I'll have to try that one then and see if it works for me smile

Stacks Sat 31-Aug-13 19:55:01

CC seems to have worked wonders. I put DS down last night and he was asleep within 15 minutes, and only really cried for a minute or two. Grumbled for a while before sleeping, and woke 6 times through the night. However though he woke me through the monitor he settled himself with just a little grumbling each time. I actually spent a whole night in bed. Next step is to spend a whole night sleeping then DH has some plans for not sleeping, poor man has been neglected for months.

Utopian - aww, poor tyke! We have an ikea alien night light. They're cute and come in two colour ways - red, purple and pinkish, or light blue, dark blue and green - they can be set to one colour or cycle between them. I use it for a feeding/changing light in the night at times for DS.

Nutella - DS ate sand at baby peep the other day. I was watching close trying to stop him but got distracted so he got a handful in - I thought "that'll teach him" and waited for the grimace and spitting... Instead he went back for more!!

FoD - sorry to hear about AF starting. Hope it's not too bad for you. I'm dreading mine returning, it's just so convenient not thinking about it.

Mama - I can't believe your DS doesn't get up till 9! Wow. Shame big kids get you up anyway though. My DS (born on Christmas Day) found his willy a couple of weeks ago. He seems to pull it so hard I'm afraid he'll pull it off! DH assures me they're tougher than they look. hmm smile

Equimum - woo for your DH being home. I'm not sure I could manage without mine for a full week. There is a fair amount of weight in breasts and milk I think, has your bra size changed much? I've gone from a B/C cup to a GG! I wouldn't worry about a couple of kg unless you're feeling unhappy with how you look. Feeling healthy is what matters.

Spotty - good luck finding some bras that fit but aren't too expensive or ugly. The bravissimo ones I've got DH really doesn't like. They're supportive though, which is good I guess. Got to love your DD, it's funny the things they chose to share smile

IsThat - glad you enjoyed your night out. I've not had one yet, or even a break of more than 2 hours. I've been invited to a Christmas do on he 7th dec though that I think I'll go to. after DS slept last night and didn't need feeding. Super well done on your running, I've been thinking about starting running a bit. Just now I'm just walking loads, generally at least 2 hours for DS to nap, I manage about 10 miles or so I think. Also, awesome news about the house, that must be so exciting! I've been day dreaming about new houses recently.

Stacks I'm so pleased for you fingers crossed things keep improving smile

Stacks Sat 31-Aug-13 20:00:51

Oh, tonight DS went down with less than a minute of crying, and maybe 2 minutes of grumbling. He sounds heartbroken when I put him down and walk out the door, but he stops crying so quickly I think he must be ok? I hate the thought that he's just not crying because he feels abandoned and unloved and like there's no point sad I think that's just irrational fear and guilt though it is right? I'm not a terrible mum?.

MamaTo3Boys Sat 31-Aug-13 20:12:18

Stacks I did the CC thing with Oliver but from early on. It's tough for the first few nights but it gets easier. Oliver doesn't cry at all now when I put him in his cot. I tuck him in, read him a story, kiss him goodnight then leave his mobile and nightlight on and come downstairs and he settles himself x

Barbeasty Sat 31-Aug-13 20:39:37

This boy doesn't learn. He tried climbing over the arm of the sofa to reach the remotes, and slipped. Luckily I had hold of the end of his sleeping bag so he was shocked but not hurt.

Quick feed to settle him and he's off again. Madness.

I'm shattered. We went to the kite festival in Bristol this afternoon. Really good, but lots of walking. A loved it, and was really excited the whole time. First back carry in the boba helped!

DD has been saying for ages that she wants a kite so I got DH her a nice stunt one and a smaller, more age appropriate butterfly one.

A is really likes the Peppa Pig balloon DH bought for DD. Not the balloon itself, but the string and the rings it's weighed down with.

WLmum Sat 31-Aug-13 20:43:56

Great news stacks. You are most definitely not a terrible mum. As long as you give them lots of love and attention at other times, and you went back in to reassure him when he needed it, he'll be fine. Celebrate that he's learnt a new skill and you just might get some sleep (followed by some action!).

Oh we swapped rooms yesterday so dd and ds are in together now <sob sob> was fine though they both woke usual time with dd running into us and ds having a little chat!

I have a question for the cc-ers. I've tried it with DS but he honestly just breaks his heart crying. I leave him for a couple of minutes to start with and then when I go back in he's stood up reaching for me sobbing. He won't settle at all without being picked up and starts again claws and hangs onto me as soon as I put him down. If I stay in the room, sat next to the cot to do it he just cries and cries reaching through the bars at me.

I just don't see it working for us. Do you think he's just not ready? Or am I doing it wrong? I can't bear how upset he is. I can get him to self settle in my bed in minutes with a bit of mild whinging then transfer him no trouble, he'll then sleep at least 8 hours so other than the fact that some nights it's up to 2h to get him to want to settle himself we are getting enough sleep.

I don't know what to do! Am I being too soft? Do I wait and sort it after holiday? confused

WLmum Sat 31-Aug-13 21:54:03

willyou it is tough. How long have you tried sitting by his cot for? If you don't feel like it needs doing, my advice would be don't do it. You need to really want to do it to harden your heart enough. You could try sitting in his room cuddling him til he's sleepy then putting him down and trying to keep him there for a bit. If he gets too upset pick him up and cuddle again etc. that approach would take longer but would be gentler. I did it that way with dd2 but she was quite a bit older.

WillYou do what you feel comfortable with. I always fed ds to sleep and he just naturally stopped falling asleep when feeding and went down fine. That was after I'd sorted day time naps though. There was a bit if cc then sad it's easier to deal with in the day though

I've tried sitting there for 1.5h in the end WL, he was just really really upset. He sleeps well in the day, but again only in our bed not in his cot.

I think I'll leave it a while and wait until I'm at the end of my tether. Maybe I'll start with daytime naps then Spotty.

utopian99 Sat 31-Aug-13 22:18:47

will you if it feels like it's not worth the pain for both of you then don't. The HV tried to tell us to do it and it broke my heart. We still feed to sleep but recently he is feeding a bit to be sleepy then falling asleep on his own, either being cuddled or in the cot with me talking quietly to him. Frankly I decided I don't mind the half hour it takes if I know he's happy (and dh tidies the kitchen while I settle him.) I think what WL says is right - you need to need to do it,so there's nothing wrong with things as they are if you're okay.

fod bummer for AF but if you"re hoping to start again then ultimately good? We're going to start soonish but I'm still on the mini pill - would love to manage no periods for three years!

Equimum found these on eBay - are they your porcelain rabbit? Half price! pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=261273807470

is that great news on the houslike it's not worth the pain for both of you then don't. The HV tried to tell us to do it and it broke my heart. We still feed to sleep but recently he is feeding a bit to be sleepy then falling asleep on his own, either being cuddled or in the cot with me talking quietly to him. Frankly I decided I don't mind the half hour it takes if I know he's happy (and dh tidies the kitchen while I settle him.) I think what WL says is right - you need to need to do it,so there's nothing wrong with things as they are if you're okay.

fod bummer for AF but if you"re hoping to start again then ultimately good? We're going to start soonish but I'm still on the mini pill - would love to manage no periods for three years!

Check out eBay: ht

Equimum found these on eBay - are they your porcelain rabbit? Half price! http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=261273807470

is that great news on the hous

utopian99 Sat 31-Aug-13 22:19:52

Argh!! Ruddy cheap awful stand in phone! angry

utopian99 Sat 31-Aug-13 22:22:11

is that great news on the house. I've finished drawing up our planning application; just need to actually complete the sale now... hmm

MamaTo3Boys Sat 31-Aug-13 22:33:29

Willyou I'd just leave it for a bit, its really not worth it if its just stressing you both out. Maybe try again in a few weeks?

With DS1 (who was a nightmare sleeper!) I did the CC at about 12 months. I still had his cot in my room so started off by lying on my bed and pretending to go to sleep and he eventually dropped off too. Then I started sitting up on my bed reading a few nights later, then quietly pottering about and popping in and out of the room, then sat on the landing outside the room, and just carried on like that until I was eventually downstairs and he was self settling. Took a while but we got there in the end.

I think it's just a case of trial and error to figure what works best for you and your baby x

Well dd woke at 4am gabbing a bit of a moan (think she needed a wee) which woke ds but they were both in bed asleep again after 15 minutes so the room sharing seems to be going ok. Lie in until 6:15 hmmgrin

IsThatTrue Sun 01-Sep-13 09:16:42

Bad night again with a 6am wake up. sad

My brain goes round and round with to do lists for house (once finance is sorted we're on, but it needs gutting and starting from scratch) so I'm finding it hard to get back to sleep everytime DS wakes!

halestone Sun 01-Sep-13 09:54:17

Sorry for the bad night Isthat, but yay to the house news.

Stacks yay to the CC working grin

Spotty i'm glad the room sharing is going well.

FoD booo the AF starting again.

Willyou, i second the others only do CC when your ready. We have accidently found out that Bruno Mars when i was your man on repeat puts H to sleep. i am starting to hate tht song now though

Utopian i hope you planning application goes smoothly.

halestone Sun 01-Sep-13 09:57:39

Beasty i hope your DD and DH have a lovely time playing with the kites.

Equimum i'm glad your DH is back.

3boys envy of the 6-9 sleep.

Stacks Sun 01-Sep-13 10:08:50

Well, we had an amazing night. T slept 7-4! Then cried/grumbled till 5, but slept then 5-8!!!! Just 3 nights ago he was waking hourly and I was cosleeping and feeding all night out of desperation. What a turn around. That's the most sleep I've had continuously since I was 8 months pregnant.

Willyou - it took me 2 months to decide to do CC, even with sleep as awful as it was. What decided it for me was concern over DS - if he wasn't sleeping for more than an hour at a time he wasn't getting the sleep needed to grow and develop. With your DS sleeping 8 hours anyway, I'm not I'd do it in your position, particularly as you've tried it and he's not giving in. Have you tried reading "The No Cry Sleep Solution"? It has loads of practical suggestions for getting LO to sleep, things like ensuring the hour before bed is calm, quiet and preferably in dim lighting, making sure your bed routine is predictable so LO knows what's coming.

Good luck on the planning application utopian. I'm not sure what its for though? I didn't read back on the last thread.

IsThat great news on the house. So exciting. I'd love a project like that to do, though my DH would hate it. Will you have builders in or do DIY?

MaMaPo Sun 01-Sep-13 10:21:11

Isthat - I have missed your house news. Are you moving? Buying your dad's house? Congrats either way! And I'm with you - lying awake at 3am with a thousand things on my to-do list.

Silly husband - we're off to Denmark today and had to sort out the house this morning (changing sheets, tidying etc) as some friends are staying here while we're away. So he stays out last night until 4.30am so got a princely 1.5 hours sleep. I did NOT let him sleep in. I was a bit pissed off with him to be honest - yesterday I got a bit upset as I am beginning to get really jealous of him being able to just head out for a whole day at a time, whereas I am still quite tethered to the baby. He dealt with it really badly, got cross (so helpful!) and then does this. I mean really. Bah. Not in a good mood.

Stacks - so pleased for your good sleep. Ours was OK - she didn't settle until 8.30pm, really odd, then woke for a feed at 4.30 and up at 6. I wish she could sleep a little later! At least she's asleep now. Here's hoping your good nights continue.

halestone Sun 01-Sep-13 10:38:15

Stacks well done to the good sleep last night, i have my FX many more will follow.

Mama i don't think men understand how hard it is being with a baby all the time. And they definitely don't understand that sometimes we need a time out or that we would like to do something by ourselves just for a little while. I hope your ok and that your trip to Denmark goes smoothly.

MamaTo3Boys Sun 01-Sep-13 11:28:00

Trying to get the house clean with 3 children running round is a nightmare! Lol

Oliver's being v.grumpy today sad dont know whats wrong with him. A new tooth or something maybe?

Stacks that's really great!

WillYou I agree with stacks.

Mama what an arse I'd be pissed off too.

Well dp loves the r&r (fb photo to follow). I could tell he really wanted to use it as he kept saying 'are you ok with him? Are you sure? Do you want me to take him?' grin We've just been out for breakfast and an old lady was amazed by it said I was a dab hand at getting him on my back. He did keep pulling my hair though even though I had it up hmm

utopian99 Sun 01-Sep-13 13:31:05

Great news on the sleep stacks!
Planning app is for a dormer loft conversion on the flat we're buying in London. Getting everything ready now so it can be submitted the day after completion (v impatient.)

Sorry about your dh mama, I am very lucky mine quite happily accepts that I get the worse end of the deal doing 24/7 childcare on top of the business but as he still won't take a bottle there's not much we can change anyway!

IsThatTrue Sun 01-Sep-13 13:51:24

mama we're kinda going into a part but part rent on my parents old house (that my brother has run into the ground). It's a lot of work, I'm happy to DIY decorating but it literally needs gutting, we're relocating the kitchen, the bathroom needs redoing (including tiling) some walls need re plastering. The roof needs some attention and it needs re rendering. The garden isn't safe as some of the steps have corroded so that needs sorting. There's a shed that is only for for demolition. All the windows need replacing. If I get my way we'll be changing the rear access so that it won't be through the (new) kitchen.

Just lots and lots to do.

Glad you dragged DP out of bed Mamapo. I'd loved to have seen the poor dear's face grin

Wow that does sound like a lot of work IsThat.

Sod the cleaning Mamato3.

Thanks for the CC advice everyone. I think I'll wait a while.

Took DS swimming today and bumped into DBiL in the pool. His DS had what looked suspiciously like slapped cheek hmm but DBiL kept insisting he was just hot. I know nothing about slapped cheek but it had better not come between me and my holiday!

Anyone else's DC having what seems to be a huge growth spurt? DS ate everything thrown at him yesterday plus almost 1L of milk (inc 2 night feeds, not done that in months). He has been unfillable for a couple of days. Teeth are still making him miserable and he's not stopped moaning all weekend.

MamaTo3Boys Sun 01-Sep-13 15:46:06

Wish I could willyou sad house is in a disgrace! Haha not have chance to have a proper whole house clean the past few weeks with the kids being off school. May leave some of it till Wednesday when they go back though wink

Barbeasty Sun 01-Sep-13 17:56:18

Mama I'll join you in the need to clean. The house is a pit, and I've got at least 1 of my nct group coming over tomorrow.

First swimming lesson of the term today. Not too bad, given the utter lack of practice.

Utopian & IsThat sounds exciting. Good luck to both of you.

And Utopian, I like the didy fish. I've got steel blue fish.

ISpyPlumPie Sun 01-Sep-13 18:13:24

Hi everyone. Sorry I've been AWOL for a bit - broadband went down, then we went to Anglesey for a few days as PIL kindly lent us their caravan.

Had a lovely time while we were away, just nice to be able to chill out and not think of the thousand and one things I should be doing round the house in the rare moments that both DC are occupied/asleep. Only problem was that the caravan is quite a confined space for N's endless cruising/exploring and he's now sporting a small shiner under one eye.

N seemed to come on quite a bit when we were there. He'll now stand completely unaided for a few seconds, before realising what he's doing and plonking right back down. The 'mamas' are much more consistant and he will repeat it as he's crawling towards me if I've dared to put him down momentarily. DH appears to have been re-christened "ba" and babbling in general seems to be comprised of more definite sounds. He is developing a temper though - he will yell if something doesn't go his way and DH got a slap for the crime of taking his toothbrush away.

Oh and N has also discovered his willy grin

WLmum Sun 01-Sep-13 19:25:28

Exciting house plans utopian and isthat no wonder you have lists going round your heads! We bought this house on the condition that we could re-work the ground floor - work was completed just a couple of weeks before T was born - phew! Washing up in the bath at 8 months pg is no fun! It was hard and has left us totally broke but we love it and the house would have been really tough with 2 dc and a newborn in the old layout.

Am putting a v tired T to bed first tonight - big 2 have snuck in and are sitting in the corner- ah bless!

3boys - clean house? I know the words but forgot their meaning!

WLmum Sun 01-Sep-13 19:26:44

ispy if it is slapcheek don't worry too much, it's a mild virus, my big 2 barely noticed they had it. Fx it's not though!

Stacks Sun 01-Sep-13 19:51:28

This CC was going so well, and we're getting amazing sleep with it, but I feel so guilty tonight. I'm worried I'm not doing it 'right'. T cries when I put him down, but only intermittently, so I don't go in. However tonight it was 20 minutes of crying, and his poor throat sounds so hoarse. He only cries for a minute or two before going quiet for a minute or two, so it's really hard to follow the CC timings. Should I go in more, even if he's not crying non stop? It all started so easily and worked so quickly that now I feel trapped and like I can't stop, and paranoid that if I do it wrong it won't work sad

Oh stacks sad I'm not sure what to suggest really. I would probably only go in after 2 or 3 minutes of continuous crying (or however many minutes you're doing)

utopian99 Sun 01-Sep-13 20:49:32

Can't help with advice stacks but hope you and lo are okay by now...

Ispy I'm so envy of your talking! We have almost mastered walking (keeps launching off on his own, this will only end in tears), but nothing even vaguely like words.
Dh is trying to teach him 'mummy' but not a consonant yet.

utopian99 Sun 01-Sep-13 20:52:20

I have just emerged from resettling O to dh halfway through shaving having given himself a comedy tache he was so pleased with he waited outside the nursery to show me. It was pretty amusing. (I'm really not sure we're at all mature enough to have our own child...)

PurplePidjin Sun 01-Sep-13 21:32:31

Evening all wine we're finally back from Santa Pod - got caught for an hour on the M40 sad R was a huge hit with all our veedub mates, charmed the socks off even the hardcore big toughies! (one ex footie hooligan, one babyphobic lesbian) He loved all the big cars, and we even had a civilised meal in the hotel with wine (for the grown ups) grin i had to have my pudding in the room because i was shattered He still wakes x3 per night but it's down to 5 minutes of cuddling with a feed at 4am. He was dropping off the 0.4th line at 5 months and is now nearly 25th so i think he's just growing. Bit fed up now, dp and i are both small so i wasn't expecting to breed a giant!

It was me not Ispy WL with the slapped cheek. I only care if it stops us getting on a plane to Spain but if it's only mild I presume it won't.

grin Utopian, for movember DP grew a dodgy tash and used (jolene) moustache dye to bleach it. Everyone said he looked German.

Fucking nightmare bedtime tonight, I may look into no cry ss, as I gave cc another go (he was exhausted but would not sleep) and he just kept climbing up the cot wailing. I gave it up as a bad job after 1h 45m and he's finally asleep now. confused

WLmum Sun 01-Sep-13 23:02:54

willyou sounds like the no cry ss might be worth a try for you. It talks a lot about gradually changing things. It would be a slow process but hopefully a less harrowing one.

stacks I think if you go in with intermittent cryin you run the risk of disturbing his attempts at self settling and maybe confusing things. I would either only go in after a couple of mins of continuous crying or sit with him quietly from the start and only leave when he's asleep/not crying at all. Easy for me to say though I know, and so tough to be in the middle of it.

Ds' wide awake sad not sure what to do. Had to bring him into our room so he didn't wake poor dd up. I'm getting angry with him I just want to sleep!!

PurplePidjin Mon 02-Sep-13 02:51:22

Spotty I've had enough and have instigated cc. Every 5 minutes he gets a cuddle. On 4th one and he's calming. I'm fucked off with getting up to cuddle him all fucking night.

Stacks Mon 02-Sep-13 03:57:35

CC isn't a fool proof solution. T has been up twice now, 12:45 and 3:45. Much better than he was sleeping, but much worse than lat night. I maybe just broke it by feeding him too, but I didn't want him crying for ages and keeping me out of bed longer. There's no point thing to make a hungry baby settle.

I really hope consistent sleep becomes the norm. I need to start getting real sleep as does he. CC is meant to work within a week if you're consistent. It's also meant to be bad the first day and get easier. Mine was easy the first day and getting harder! sad

Ds never usually wakes up so luckily I don't need to try it. I'm wondering if its teeth or a growth spurt. Up at 5:30 sad

Stacks ds only started sleeping through when I stopped feeding him at night, obviously I still fed/feed him if I can't settle him

WLmum Mon 02-Sep-13 06:31:12

Urgh - early to bed means early to rise. Up at 5.30 - I fed her in our bed in the vain hope that she might go back to sleep but no. She must have taken lots as she's been sick 3x already.
stacks it might be because you fed him but its always a judgement call. Like spotty T and dd2 only started sleeping through when I stopped all night feeds, however with T it has been a bit more 2 steps forward and 1 back for various reasons. If I feel that I really need to feed as she just won't settle I only offer the slow side for decreasing durations. Then she gets sleepy and is back in her cot before she's fully asleep.
Later on dd1&2 got into the habit of waking for cuddles so I had to do more versions of cc like pidj
You're not at the end of a week yet are you? Try not to lose heart, its all progress from where you were.

Maryland2013 Mon 02-Sep-13 08:44:34

All this sleep talk has got me thinking- is it really bad that DS generally feeds to sleep? Not always, sometimes he finishes his bottle has a little cuddle then he's asleep (no rocking etc).
In the daytime I lie on the bed with him and ignore him (!) until he falls asleep or cuddle him when he's v tired and he drops off.
I know though that if I put him in the cot awake but sleepy he just wakes up and starts rolling and trying to crawl... No way will he sleep.

Do I need to change how he goes to bed or can it wait??!!

PurplePidjin Mon 02-Sep-13 08:50:15

He woke at 12:45, i dozed off with him in the chair so he went down at 1:45. Then woke and shouted at 2:30. That pisses me off, he needs to learn to go back to sleep and me helping isn't helping iyswim? The whole process took an hour, which is the same length of time it takes gently, and he put himself back to sleep at 3:30 waking just before 7 lie in!

By the third set of 5 minutes he was hysterical for just seconds then shouting at me crossly. Then intermittent shouts. Then, because he was ramping up when i went in, i left him grumping. 15 minutes later he was asleep. A week ago, I'd have been horrified at trying it. He would have just got crosser and crosser and I'd have got upset. Something's changed and he's ready to learn, just like with weaning.

We had a similar night to everyone else. He woke up for a shout at 11, back down after a cuddle. Woke at 2 for a bottle and then up at 6:30.

Maryland, that's exactly what I do but lying next to him ignoring him is now taking up to 2 hours so that's why I'm trying to change it.

Glad it's working for you both Pidj,

DS is deep DEEP into separation anxiety. He's wailed the house down for the last 3 days unless he is physically touching someone (doesn't matter who). I think this is why cc isn't working; he's terrified I won't come back. I'm going to get the

WLmum Mon 02-Sep-13 08:57:09

maryland not wrong at all if it works for you. It's only a problem if its a problem for you. I generally feed T to sleep as its usually when I'm doing school reading with dd1 so it keeps her quiet! In due course I'll change things around but this is the way it works for me just now. Day naps she's usually rocked to sleep in the pram out for a walk or in the garden.

DS messed with my phone.

Get the NCSS and give that a go. I'm fucked off now with spending hours everyday getting him to nap/sleep at night.

Stacks Mon 02-Sep-13 09:14:42

Maryland I'm still pretty much feeding DS to sleep. It's just before he's always woken on transfer and taken a while to rock to sleep before a successful put down in the cot. Now I feed to sleep/sleepy and put him down, say night night and leave the room. Like Pidg says, I think he was ready to learn to settle himself, as the first night was so quick and easy for both of us.

I think it's common for these things to get better then worse though. Something about the LO realising that maybe this new way isn't a one off but here to stay, and showing their displeasure. I hope that's all we've run into here.

Last night was the first night I fed him since starting CC 3 nights ago. It took half hour for him to self settle at 12:45, which wasn't too bad. Though I fed at 3:45 as he was sounding very upset on the wake up, not just grumbling. I fed for 10 minutes then put him sown awake, and he was quiet within 2 minjtes and asleep in 10 (just occasionally talking to himself in the mean time). Then slept til 7:30.

We're 10 minutes into shouting for this mornings nap though, which isn't too bad so far but he doesn't sound close to settling yet.

Willyou check out eBay or amazon second hand for the ncss, I got mine for £3.50. There's a lot of good common sense stuff in there, even if you do eventually try CC again. I think seperation anxiety could screw all this up for us here, but I can't keep putting off sleep training till there's not a chance of teething/development to screw it up.

Anyone else still have a toothless baby?

Sorry others had bad nights, I'm grumpy today with just two wake ups, don't know how I managed the usual 6-8!

Maryland2013 Mon 02-Sep-13 09:18:08

Thanks Willyou and WL, that's really helpful. I'm glad it's not just me I was worried in setting myself up for problems but I guess there's plenty of time for 're training'?

Sounds like good progress Pidj smile

Have other people tried NCSS with success?

Maryland2013 Mon 02-Sep-13 09:23:03

Stacks sometimes the extra sleep is just as bad as less- I made the mistake of going back to bed yesterday when DS had his nap and felt hideous! Your body just needs to get used to less wake ups I guess?!
It sounds like you're doing well though..

3 teeth here and can feel the ridges of the next ones coming (top front two- DS has a random one on the top but at the side!)

Stacks Mon 02-Sep-13 09:30:22

Just a quick wee share. Someone linked this to me the other day and I thought it was good To parents of small children

Ds is still toothless. I start my new job today sad

Stacks Mon 02-Sep-13 09:37:44

Argh, he cried to quiet then my FIL came round and woke him up shouting up that he was here.

Stacks Mon 02-Sep-13 09:53:34

Spotty good luck with the new job! How many hours are you working today?

Only five today, but until 6:30 and I then have to pick both children up from my parents and then come home. They usually start going to bed at that time so they will be knackered. Hopefully the will just get used to it.

WLmum Mon 02-Sep-13 09:57:22

T is still toothless, but bottom gums look suspiciously fat so not sure for how long.

Good luck spotty

WLmum Mon 02-Sep-13 09:58:33

stacks I've seen that before but it's great isn't it.

MamaTo3Boys Mon 02-Sep-13 10:03:12

I found that not feeding them during the night worked for me when doing CC. Instead I offered them water or juice. Think they just gave up waking up for a feed as they realised they weren't getting one lol

MamaTo3Boys Mon 02-Sep-13 10:03:37

Spotty good luck with the new job smile

MamaTo3Boys Mon 02-Sep-13 10:05:24

Oliver has 6 teeth. 2 at the bottom and 4 at the top. They came through in sets though. He got his bottom 2 one offer the other at 4 months. Then nothing for a while then at 7 months the top four all came through within 2 days.

halestone Mon 02-Sep-13 11:32:04

Sorry to hear of all the bad nights.

Ispy your holiday sounds lovely i hope N's black eye is ok.

I normally feed H to sleep but more often now, i have to put Bruno Mars on repeat and rock her to sleep. Its down to about 3-4 plays and shes gone, theres alot of fighting though. I'm convinced H is intent on pulling every hair out of my head. The good news is that it only takes 10-15 minutes to transfer her to her cot now though and if she wakes i hum the song and she goes back to sleep. When she wakes up during the night i put her in my bed then transfer her back to the cot when shes deep asleep.

Spotty hope you have a lovely first day at workthanks

Stacks i love that link.

Equimum Mon 02-Sep-13 11:37:14

Good luck Spotty

I'm still feeding F to sleep. He just doesn't settle otherwise, but he tends to just suddenly make transitions with sleep, so I'm still hopeful we'll naturally progress when the time is right.

Busy week here. My horse moved out of full livery at the weekend, so I'm now having to go to him twice a day, with F in tow shock. Then tomorrow, F has his first settling session sad.

Barbeasty Mon 02-Sep-13 11:55:31

Good luck spotty. If bedtime is a nightmare could your parents get them into pyjamas, teeth cleaned etc before you collect them? Then you can get them to bed quickly once you're home.

I think I'll wait until A sleeps most of the night before not feeding to sleep. Now I'm at work the evening is a bit of a cluster feed, until he's asleep.

But then we'll put him in with DD, so hopefully he'll settle ok. That's my cunning plan anyway.

MamaTo3Boys Mon 02-Sep-13 17:42:37

Hi all smile

Oliver's been a PITA today, wouldn't have an afternoon nap, constantly hungry, grumpy, frustrated and wouldn't let me put him down sad

Also, how much milk do you give your LOs? Ollie has about 18oz but is really fussy with his meals. Sometimes he'll eat the full lot and want more afterwards and sometimes he just refuses to eat at all confused I thought maybe i should give him more or less milk? But not sure which with him being so up and down with the amount he eats

I'd give him more Mama if he's not eating much. 18oz is the minimum at this age.

Hole your day has gone well Spotty

Oh and you just described J for the last week Mama. He has mostly been hanging from my hair for the last 3 days.

MamaTo3Boys Mon 02-Sep-13 18:09:00

They're so stressful sometimes aren't they confused he was grumpy yesterday too. I'm wondering if its teething again.

I didnt realise 18oz was the minimum. It's just been the way his routine panned out. He has about 5oz in the morning with breakfast, another 5 (ish) oz mid afternoon when he normally wakes up from his nap and then a full 9oz before bed x

PurplePidjin Mon 02-Sep-13 18:36:54

Is anyone else still bf? I figure I've finally got to the quick and easy stage so why stop, but i think it's more common than not to switch by now...

If R doesn't eat, i give him pureed fruit/yoghurt and easy finger food. It's usually teeth.

Stacks Mon 02-Sep-13 18:40:38

We're still bf. I thought about giving T some formula the other day, but he's never had a bottle either so I'd be doing it just for the sake of it really, and then not sure he's take it. He doesn't feed much through the day really, just when I'm putting him down for a nap/bed. I keep meaning to feed him more in the day but he doesn't ask for it so I forget.

Stacks Mon 02-Sep-13 18:44:19

Oh, and he still eats hardly anything at mealtimes. We're just BLW as he's not keen on being fed. He'll take a few spoonfuls of a pouch or soup or whatever, then refuse point blank to have more. He'll eat puréed fruit from the spoon though, which we use to give him his medicine.
That said he's currently enjoying gnawing on corn on the cob. It's just 90% of what I feed him seems to end up on the floor at least once. I figure if he was hungry he'd find a way to let me know.

Barbeasty Mon 02-Sep-13 19:10:17

I'm still breastfeeding on demand, and it's completely random how much A eats.

Today has been very much a milk not food day. But now he has a temperature, so I'm not surprised. I'm clinging to the gallons of dribble and desperate chewing, and resolutely ignoring the single spot on his back. It will be teeth and not anything infectious!

Suddenly he's pulling up and standing all the time. I had to put him in his cot and leave him wailing while I got up this morning. He was just so determined to stand or climb.

I'm still bf on demand but its generally 6,10,2,6 with the odd one thrown in for good measure.

Ds was really happy today apparently. I've only been home 15 minutes. It went fine but I start at 6:45 tomorrow shock

jackandjilly Mon 02-Sep-13 19:38:10

I'm roughly the same spotty, 4 times a day morning/ breakfast, mid morning, mid afternoon then bed time. I start back at work tomorrow so we will see how that goes.

Glad today went well with the new job.

Hi mamagrin

Sorry for the lack of personal messages!

PurplePidjin Mon 02-Sep-13 20:13:02

4-6 times here too. He can be given a snack and drink instead but until his sleep improves I'm not going to drop one!

He dozed off on the boob at 6:45 so i put him down - normally I'd put him back on till he was fully asleep. Left it 5 minutes, went in laid him down and rubbed his back. No dice. Left for 10 minutes. Same routine. Nearly but not quite. Left for 15 minutes. Same routine. 2 minutes of back rubbing.

He's still asleep!

WLmum Mon 02-Sep-13 20:15:55

I'm still bfing, when at home it's about 4 times a day but she sometimes doesn't really want any during the day. Morning and evening are always good feeds.

My mei tei arrived today, its lovely but she still feels very heavy in it and I'm not sure how my back will hold up. T absolutely loved it though, found the whole thing hilarious.

When I got home from work she didn't cry but was just really excited. It was lovely.

spotty glad your first day went well.

Jack ds was fine without a feed but my longest day will be seven hours.

jackandjilly Mon 02-Sep-13 20:42:58

9.5 hours tomorrow, same Wednesday and 7.5 Thursday, please tell me it will all be finegrin

I will have to surgically remove him on Friday gringringrin

utopian99 Mon 02-Sep-13 21:25:14

We're still bf on demand but offerring food first, so demand is rather less. Morning and evening the biggies. We don't do cc and still feed to sleep as once asleep I can just dump him unceremoniously in the cot and he just rolls over and stays asleep.

Recently he's been choosing to stop before sleep and then fall asleep naturally so long as I stroke his back in the cot, so hoping we can avoid cc. When not teething he wakes at 4 hourly intervals for brief milk, if he wakes at less than that I just rock him so I think he's starting to not wake up unless actually thirsty now.

Having said which, two teeth broke the gum last night - he didn't properly settle from 3.30 to 5.30!

WLmum Mon 02-Sep-13 21:29:59

Try not to worry jack I worried about how T would cope away from the boobs but she just eats more at meal times!

MaMaPo Mon 02-Sep-13 21:36:22

I'm still bfing but had - having? - a serious wobble about it. I posted in sleep about it - any advice welcome! Thread is here - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/sleep/1841547-9mo-started-using-me-as-a-dummy-What-do-I-do

Eating solids is still rubbish. A couple of mouthfuls of porridge, 1 banana, half a plum, couple tablespoons plain yoghurt and a couple of rice cakes. That's it for the whole day.

2blessed Mon 02-Sep-13 21:47:18

Hi All

Glad today went well spotty.

Sorry to read about these non sleeping lo's. R is consistently inconsistent with his sleep. Last night he slept through for first time in ages, usually he wakes up 2/3 times. I go back to work next month so have to start trying to get a regular patter going.

We're still bfing on demand here and R has 3 meals. Thinking about introducing formula as I can't express enough for when I'mnot around. Guess it signals the gradual end of bfing which saddens me but has to happen one day.

R has 2 teeth coming through at the top but not at the front - random. He's going to look like a mini dracula smile

Spreading sleepy dust over the thread....

FriendofDorothy Mon 02-Sep-13 21:58:40

I am still breastfeeding on demand, but he is eating quite a bit of food now so the demand is decreasing.

The Little Mister fell out of my bed this morning - I woke up when he thumped onto the floor! Fortunately we have a low bed and he seemed absolutely fine!

WLmum Mon 02-Sep-13 22:08:06

Ooh mama that's tough. All 3 of mine would have used me as a human dummy forever more but when I'd had enough it was a case of just say no! I'd feed until I thought she'd finished and then detach and rock to sleep. They didn't like it to start with but got used to it quickly and that was the start of better nights and naps. I reduced the length of each night 'feed' until I stopped offering at all and just a quick cuddle sufficed and then a pat then nothing.

IsThatTrue Mon 02-Sep-13 22:12:07

Ds's dive out of the highchair was quite a shock FoD I'm not sure why how he does these things. But he has only got a graced cheek to show for it, and he was trying to do it again at lunch. No sense no feeling!

We're still bfing on demand. He still feeds 6/7am, then before and after nap time, after lunch, before and after nap time, after dinner and bedtime. Then 2/3 times in the night. He has 3 meals a day but only 1/2 a GU ramekin if porridge/yoghurt. Finger food he eats some but about half is floor bound.

ISpyPlumPie Mon 02-Sep-13 23:46:16

Still bf on demand here too. Quite variable how much in the day - sometimes it can be so little I think he's about to self wean, but then there are days when he'll still have a big old feed. His preference appears to be for feeding after bedtime though. Definitely think we've got a little bit of reverse cycling going on.

Also still got a very good appetite for solid food too.

utopian99 Tue 03-Sep-13 03:14:30

Rereading my previous post <hollow laugh> he did a normal 4 hour stint, quick milk asleep again, then awake half an hour later and would NOT settle for cuddles/rocking. Have given in and given more boob. Am hoping this is okay and we can get back to normal once teeth are more fully through.. Please?

utopian99 Tue 03-Sep-13 05:57:25

And now he's just done the poo of his life. (I knew it would happen, he'd not been for days but still...) This is not the best night! Since 2am I've had 2 hours sleep.

Why don't mn have an emoticon for bawling your eyes out?

ddas Tue 03-Sep-13 07:29:29

We're still doing our mixed bf/formula top ups.

Bf's coincide with waking up, naps & bedtime as it's the easiest way to settle her.
Think if you're still bf at this age less likely to stop now?

2blessed having to introduce some formula at this age doesn't have to mean the end of bf as your supply will readjust. We've always had to mix feed and now at work as I can't express enough has formula the 3 days I'm at work during day and although supply has gone down she's still very keen to bf when I am home. Supply has improved since i've been trying to make sure to express once at work and in evening even if it's just a quick 5 mins.

Glad work went well Spotty.

I fell asleep with J yesterday and he had 3.5h in the afternoon only waking at 5:30. This did not make for a happy bedtime. He finally went down at 10pm, he nearly broke me! But them he obviously realised I was at the end of my rope as he slept through until 6:45 and is back asleep now! I upped his lunch so I gave him finger foods as normal but also a bowl of fruity porridge too. I feel like Mary poppins today grin

MaMaPo Tue 03-Sep-13 08:10:19

These babies are keeping us on our toes! C fed to sleep fine at a friend's place, woke up happy as anything at 9.30pm when we caught the bus home, then took ages to feed to sleep, at 10.30pm. But then she slept until 6.15am which is great.

Bought her some lovely wooden blocks yesterday. We're in Copenhagen and some of the stores have children's furniture. As you can imagine, there is some seriously stylish Danish kids furniture out there. I want all of it! (We bought none of it.)

PurplePidjin Tue 03-Sep-13 08:22:07

R put himself to sleep at 7:15. Woke at 4. Back to sleep at 5 having not left the cot. Woke for the day at 7:30!


utopian99 Tue 03-Sep-13 09:07:10

Hurray for R! We had the worst night for a long time, but I feel worlds better after pain au chocolate for breakfast (any excuse.) O ate an entire bowl of fruit porridge and is now playing quietly with his bricks to make it up to me..

MaMaPo Tue 03-Sep-13 10:44:16

This baby has napped for 2.5 hours so far this morning. We're on holiday! We want to go out! But she's been so sleep deprived I'm loathe to wake her. Lucky our friends have such a nice apartment here...

AnnMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 03-Sep-13 11:38:37

hello ladies - sorry to butt in but I am looking for MNers to take part in an online group next week about weaning.
I'm specifically looking for first time parents with a baby aged 4-10 mnths who are starting to think about or wean onto solid food.
There's a prize draw for taking part. I can send you full details if you PM me smile
thanks very much......

ISpyPlumPie Tue 03-Sep-13 13:06:15

Sorry Ann - would definitely be interested, but don't think I qualify as am on DC2.

Yay Pidge smile.

Mama/Utopian - really hope some sleepy dust comes your way soon.

Just dropped DS1 off for his first session in pre-school. He looked so grown up in his little uniform. Felt a little bit anxious about it, which surprised me as he's been going to nursery since he was 1. Think this just feels far more like a step towards big school. Needn't have worried -he practicaly ran through the door and announced "I'm here!"

ISpyPlumPie Tue 03-Sep-13 13:07:07

Should have said I felt a little bit anxious, not DS1.

I replied to that Ann, have participants been notified?

2blessed Tue 03-Sep-13 15:44:46

Great sleep pidj

Thanks for that ddas def makes me feel better.

mama R has started using me as a dummy too, yesterday I stuck his real dummy in his mouth otherwise I'll get nothing done.

Really grumpy lo this afternoon, now 1 of the top front teeth are coming through and he has a cold sad

Took him to get weighed this morning and he is 19 odd lbs at exactly 8 months. The weighing lady recommended I see a hv as his weight hasn't increased a great deal. Hv said he's fine, she's not worried and that some babies level off. Now a bit worried. Dp says he expected R to weigh more now. I suppose he will go back to wanting to put a rusk in his bottle.

ddas Tue 03-Sep-13 15:53:33

Some of these sleeping babies need to teach the others how to sleep! We're still totally hit & miss. Had a few nights last week when slept through then awful night yesterday! Although not going to complain as before every night was bad so at least now she sometimes gives us time to recover!

What centile was he on previously compared to now though? Growth does slow as they get older but what matters is whether they are following same centile in their red book.

Sorry haven't read everything...

2blessed that sounds fine to me hmm if you're not worried about him... Ds was 16lb at just over seven months and had dropped a few lines but they weren't worried

PurplePidjin Tue 03-Sep-13 18:22:05

R was 17lb 13 at 9 months and nearing the 25th centile! 19lb is a great weight, don't forget stage 1 car seats are 20lb/9 months smile

Oh good point pidj. I don't know what ds weighs but he's nowhere near the top of the seat?

PurplePidjin Tue 03-Sep-13 18:32:58

0+ goes to 13kg, 1 starts at 9kg smile

lazzaroo Tue 03-Sep-13 18:37:26

Hi all! We're back from a fab holiday smile perfect weather & just lovely time. We went to Jersey. Got back last Friday and I then slumped into return to work blues!! Had first full day today. Baby lazza was fine, but pretty pleased to see me & desperate to feed when I got home. She ate well during the day but not keen on formula.

I'm quite suprised though that boobs didn't feel any fuller when I got home. Don't know what that means, if anything!

Haven't had chance to catch up on everything but can tell sleep is still a mixed bag for everyone. Same here! And I guess she may okay catch up with feeds overnight?!

itsMYNutella Tue 03-Sep-13 18:42:44

pidj I'm sure our carseat goes up to 13 kilos (about 28lb?) argghh wasn't expecting to even think about newsing to buy him a new one yet...

2blessed like the others have said as long as he is following his line ish and the hv isn't worried then I wouldn't be worrying. I don't know what DS weighs - but it's around 8 kilos (so 16lb?) he just turned 8 months at the weekend smile. He isn't a fat baby, he is all muscle and has a very vigorous training regime! grin

Those with babies that are starting to pull/stand up... What was the precursor to it? DS is close to proper crawling; but his efforts seem to have changed from balancing and wobbling on all fours (knees & hands) to pushing his legs straight while his arms are outstretched ( so he ends up on toes/feet & hands) confused there are some definite pulling up efforts starting to happen too... Blimey baby! You couldn't stay nice an calm on the floor for a minute could you?
He is also bending a leg up under himself and looks like he will sit himself up soon too.... Anyone want to swap a quiet non crawling baby for my happy crazy kamikaze hooligan baby?

Same here re boob fullness lazza ds still seems to have a good feed though. Glad you had a good holiday smile

itsMYNutella Tue 03-Sep-13 18:46:08

Ahhh cross posted -pidj phew! Good then we can ask for his big erf seat for Christmas hopefully.

Welcome back from holiday lazza! Sorry about the return to work blues. I find planning another holiday is the best cure wink

Oh, and we are off to England on Thursday. We will be driving over so I can stick up on essentials I can't wait! Although I'm not looking forward to a long drive with DS hmm

Ds does that Nutella. Sometimes babies bear walk instead of crawl (hands and feet instead of knees)

2blessed Tue 03-Sep-13 18:59:58

Blinking phone, thought I had responded ages ago.

He was on 91st at birth then went to 75th until july and now he's close to bottom of 50th. His df has made it clear he is not happy hmm

Things are not good may have to nc and start a thread.

R pulls himself up to stand and does these deep plies really fast when music is playing. I so love my little poppet. Makes everything else worth it smile

2blessed Tue 03-Sep-13 19:01:59

Glad you had a good holiday lazza

PurplePidjin Tue 03-Sep-13 19:13:15

2blessed <hug> pm me if you like

This controlled crying malarkey. Is it meant to take 15 minutes on the second day? Only, i got the impression it was hard...

It's going to bite me on the arse now, isn't it hmm

Stacks Tue 03-Sep-13 19:14:58

Well, last night was a great night for us! I fed DS to sleep at 7:30, put him down awake though, and kept my hand on his back like I used to pre CC. When he was calm and still, but still awake, I left the room. He cried for less than a minute before falling asleep, and slept till 5am. 7:30-5!! Brought him into bed with me then and fed back to sleep till 7:45. I still feel exhausted though, I think it'll take my body a while to adjust back to actually getting some sleep.

Spotty, glad your first day went well. Good luck for your next shift.

Jack how did work go?

I wrote all this hours ago, but got interrupted by T. Bed time now, so I'll post then read back again.

Oh 2blessed I hope you're OK?

Stacks that's such good news, you will feel knackered for a while but your body will adapt again smile

Pidj sounds to me like R was ready for it!

Barbeasty Tue 03-Sep-13 19:29:47

2blessed can DH take him to the HV or GP? Maybe hearing it directly from a health professional might help him? At the very least they can suggest sensible healthy eating....

A bear walks a bit, and is definitely trying to walk properly. Eek. That and the climbing, can't afford to take our eyes off him.

WLmum Tue 03-Sep-13 19:58:31

Sorry to hear things are tough 2blessed. Some babies do slow their weight down as they get on the move. Do you think he is getting enough milk and solids?
Does he seem happy and settled? You can bump up his calories to an extent by adding double cream to food but I would only do that if I was really worried. I'd go by how he is in himself.

nutella T did hands and feet on the floor, bum in the air for a bit before standing. She's another one you can't take your eye off - climbing on stuff and putting all manner of unsuitable in her mouth.

Really disappointed with the mei tei and am going to return it sad. It's just not at all comfy and doesn't feel like it supports T well enough. I've had the straps as tight as possible but its no good. Maybe I need to try something more structured. I'll have to use our old mothcare carrier for Saturdays planned walk in the woods but that's not great either. Hmmm.

WLmum Tue 03-Sep-13 20:02:48

Someone on here had an ergo - * utopian* maybe? Do you rate it? Does lo still feel heavy? How is it for your back? Muchos gracias!

utopian99 Tue 03-Sep-13 20:21:33

WL we don't have an ergo but do have a connecta which I think is much the same. Weight wise I'd say it's as comfy as my wovens, O is v happy in it, and dh likes it too - let my friend have a go who immediately went out and bought one as she said it was way comfier than theirs (although that the was a high Street carrier.)

You live near ish to Woking I think? I could lend to you for a try before you buy?

itsMYNutella Tue 03-Sep-13 20:22:56

WL we have an ergo (and a moby and a Calin blue wrap) I like the wraps because they are cosy and snugly. Although my CB wrap is thin cotton and takes a bit more work to get it cosy. DP likes the ergo and finds it quiet comfortable although we haven't done any really long walks in it.

beasty des is fortunately only climbing me or DP at the moment.

wl DS puts everything in his mouth.... He loves shoes envy> sick face... especially daddy's smelly shoes and flip flops facepalm and laces... He loves to chew laces! Strange baby....

MamaTo3Boys Tue 03-Sep-13 20:24:40

Aww all you LOs sound like heaps of fun with the pulling themselves up trying to crawl etc. Oliver's still not doing any of that sad he's making progress though. He can sit unaided for quite a while now and stand if you hold him. He keeps his legs perfectly straight though and will not bend them, and he stands on his toes and again, won't move his feet. But he's getting there, slowly smile

Last time I had him weighed was a few weeks ago just as he was about to turn 8 months and he weighed 20lb 3 shock he's a big boy! Haha but then all my boys have been pretty big.

MamaTo3Boys Tue 03-Sep-13 20:26:06

2blessed, sorry to hear things arent good sad I 2nd bar beastly, get DH to take him the health visitor and hear it from the horses mouth so to speak x

MamaTo3Boys Tue 03-Sep-13 20:27:29

*barbeasty, sorry, autocorrect on my phone confused x

utopian99 Tue 03-Sep-13 20:29:12

nutella sounds very much like the precursor to O's walking. He can now cruise from thing to thing until he runs out of hand holds when he shouts until I come to help him. hmm

2blessed sorry to hear about bad times; thinking of you..

pidj when I tried it because the pushy evil midwife said wwe should it was miserable and I gave up after three days. R must be ready and just needed a bit of encouragement?

Glad you had a good holiday lazza!

utopian99 Tue 03-Sep-13 20:31:41

We have another who likes to chew shoes. SO not right. And he likes to hold his hands out towards dogs, any dogs, to be licked. Urgh..

Stacks Tue 03-Sep-13 20:45:00

2blessed sorry hour DH is giving you a hard time. I know a mum at a local bf group having the same issue. I don't really know what to suggest for either of you. It's a very specific and personal problem, dealing with ones DH. Getting him to talk to a HV or dr himself is a good idea. Thickening milk with rusk or baby rice really won't help (I don't think) as milk is the most nutrition rich thing to eat, if you fill them up with useless bulk you just get less milk in. I hope you get something sorted ((hugs)).

Pidg, T was 'easy' to do CC with to, mostly. Worst on the 3rd day for some reason. I've also stopped going it for daytime naps as it just didn't seem worth it. Yesterday we had 40m of crying for a 40m nap sad

Mama, T isn't crawling or moving independently at all. I'm just trying to relax about it, he'll get there in his own time. He's been pulling himself to standing for a month or so though, because that's how I used to get him up after a nappy change - hold his hands and pull. After a while he started doing the pulling.

3boys dd's physio said they go up onto their toes to create more tension. It's just because they have low muscle tone. Dd still does it now when she's tired.

I'm so tired. Dp's alarm didn't go off this morning and our 5:30 waking dc didn't wake until 6. I was out the door at 6:10 and didn't eat anything until 2:30 sad stupid work.

WLmum Tue 03-Sep-13 21:00:27

Yep we've got a shoe chewer here - so gross. The Velcro straps on dd1&2s sandals are particularly tasty.

utopian thank you that's really kind of you but I think I'm just going to go for it as I really something for the weekend.

MamaTo3Boys Tue 03-Sep-13 21:00:53

My HV kept mentioning physio for Ollie confused he's only been sitting and standing for the last week. He still doesn't pull himself up though or sit himself up from lying down etc. he only does it if I put him like that.

I've been standing him up in his cot in the morning and getting him to hold onto the side, or standing him up against the sofa to try and encourage him to do it himself.

The physio won't do much until they're walking ime. The average age for walking is now 18 months and crawling is later too. They're blaming it all on the 'back to sleep' campaign.

WLmum Tue 03-Sep-13 21:21:39

3boys my big 2 were doing nothing at this age. Just sitting but no attempts at moving or standing. I can't remember if I mentioned it to anyone but certainly no interventions were suggested. They crawled about 11 months (dd1 commando) then walked about 14 months. They don't have any problems at all. It's hard but try not to worry.

MamaTo3Boys Tue 03-Sep-13 21:43:55

I think it's possibly his vision thats slowing him down a bit. He can't see straight so maybe its putting him off trying to balance or something. His left eye turns in so he always looks like he's cross eyed bless him. We're back at the opthamologist in October though so hopefully they'll be able to help x

WLmum Tue 03-Sep-13 21:50:31

The connecta looks more like the mei tei. Found a site that seems to have cut price ergos but I think it might be a bit dodgy.

jackandjilly Tue 03-Sep-13 21:53:29

J loves a good old shoe chew too, dd's crocs are his fave!grin

Thanks WL and stacks, work was fine all in all. J woke with a cold so I was pretty worried about leaving him but he was fine. He was so excited to see me and teary too. Off to bed now as I'm totally knackered and tomorrow is another busy day.

Sorry to hear of your troubles blessed. Fx for everything to turn out good.

IsThatTrue Tue 03-Sep-13 22:26:12

Haha, shoe licks are a favourite in our house and as he also licks the floor I don't bother stopping him grin

Bad bad sleep still. sad

Sorry to hear of problems 2blessed I hope things work out for you.

PurplePidjin Tue 03-Sep-13 22:27:56

Be very very careful, there are lots of fake Ergos. If in doubt, go for Manduca, Beco, Boba, Connecta or Rose and Rebellion or post on the Slings And Things - FSOT fb group smile

PurplePidjin Tue 03-Sep-13 22:30:24
WLmum Tue 03-Sep-13 22:50:31

Great minds pidj! That's exactly what I've done, waitrose is at the end of my road! Collect tomorrow. I'm stressing about the £100 I've just spent but I really need to be able to carry her to be able to do stuff with the biggies, plus she (and I) love being up close. Best get the lovely moby on eBay.

WLmum Tue 03-Sep-13 22:54:32

Got the bundle of joy one though as I like the sleeping hood and storage pocket. The storage pouch on the ring sling is so so useful.

ddas Tue 03-Sep-13 22:59:05

We have an ergo & love it but haven't tried it on my back with dd.

We got on sale from a site recommended by a sling meet- think was natural nursery. Will see if can find out.

Dh tried to carry ds (age 2 but probably size age 3) on his back with it but he point blank refused and only wanted to be carried on dh shoulders.
spotty your dd looked so comfy in the r&r- I hope we can persuade ds to try a back carry.

ddas Tue 03-Sep-13 23:04:56

Just checked it was the natural nursery but not on sale anymore & I just saw your previous message.

Hope you like it as much as we do. Can't feel dd's weight at all although she is tiny!

2blessed Tue 03-Sep-13 23:17:16

Thanks all.

I've thought about taking him to the hv but think would fall on deaf ears. Things will work out they have to because I am only moving forward.
Went to the gym with a friend this evening - just what I needed! First exercise for me since R was born and I'm knackered and aching. He was already for bed when I got in so quick cuddle and bottle and hd was off to bed. Fx he has a good sleep with no teeth trouble.

PurplePidjin Wed 04-Sep-13 04:22:28

WL would you get a decent quality all-terrain buggy for that money? hmm

WLmum Wed 04-Sep-13 07:37:05

Thanks ddas that's good to know.
pidj even an all terrain buggy would be a pain in the woods, and I also need something for inside when I'm baking with the biggies, or playing in the playground when T gets bored and frustrated left in the pushchair. As T is my last, I hope I'll get a good resale price at some point in the future.

I haven't been paid from my old job (person who does wages is on holiday and although she scheduled the payment it didn't go through). I'm £100 past our overdraft in the bill account and in my overdraft on my personal one. I've already put the pitiful amount of savings I had into the joint account. Dp gets paid tomorrow but I have no petrol and dd's got nursery today. It's really stressed me out. We usually max the overdraft on a five week month so being paid late has just messed everything up.

PurplePidjin Wed 04-Sep-13 08:04:19

My point exactly, WL wink

WLmum Wed 04-Sep-13 09:41:20

Like I said pidj, great minds!

spotty I was up late last night stressing about money. Paying for the leak and last weeks car service (plus the £450 work they said will be necessary soon) has left is in the shit. I'm desperately trying to find more stuff to eBay. We'll just about get back on track and then it will be Xmas. Too depressing.

Dropped dd2 off for her first morning at pre-school today - she was happy and excited, I was fighting back the tears.

Ds face planted into the arm of the sofa from standing this morning and now has a big red swollen nose!

halestone Wed 04-Sep-13 11:17:12

2blessed i hope your feeling better today. Could you tell DP that although your DS has dropped centiles he is still learning new things and thats a sign he's getting the amount he needs to develop.

WL i hope your DD enjoys her first day.

Spotty i hope your old works figure out your wage quickly. I'm another one who spends alot of time worrying about money.

Stacks i'm made up that your finally getting better sleeps.

3boys i saw my HV last week and she said that shes coming out to do the 9 month check at the end of September. She said that as long as they can roll around and sit up with a little bit of support then they are happy with their development.

Jacks i hope you had a lovely day back at work yesterday.

We've had a couple of nightmare days with H. Shes cried if i've held her, cried if i've not held her. Cried if we've played on the floor with her, cried if we've not played on the floor with her. The only time shes been happy is if we've been outside and shes thrilled if the neighbours dog or cat is outside as well. I'm hoping for a better day and shes gone down for her 1st nap ok so FX.

WLmum Wed 04-Sep-13 13:50:31

Poor H (and you!)

IsThatTrue Wed 04-Sep-13 15:27:29

Sum total of 25 minutes napping today, in. 2 hits, both on me. angry and tired!

Stacks Wed 04-Sep-13 15:46:53

Oh no IsThat. Any idea why? We've had an ok day, but our washing machine has died in the middle of a nappy wash, and the cat has thrown up everywhere!

Stacks Wed 04-Sep-13 15:47:47

Has H been better today hales?

How's DS looking spotty?

Hales we still have days like that she's happier tomorrow.

Poor you IsThat sad

He's ok stacks grin just a bit bruised!

Ds has just eaten a whole 12 month + hipp Organic meal and a yoghurt!

Ha I popped on to say a total of 25 minutes nap today too! I've shoved him round the block in the pram as he's being a horror. He was so tired he'd have passed out in his dinner.

I'm fed up! And now I have to iron and rehang the fucking curtains. I never wash the curtains as I'm a slattern but DS covered them in tomatoes and we have a viewer this Sunday. As we have tickets for the races on Saturday for DP's 30th this is spectacularly bad timing!

IsThatTrue Wed 04-Sep-13 18:21:34

Ours was due to the fact dcs had 2 friends round and everybody knows that naps are impossible when you have visitors especially 6yo fecking noisy ones

So overtired now he keeps going arse over tit.

4 teeth now, and saw the dentist today. I had to turn him upside down to get him to open up, but he didn't cry at all so that's a good sign.

OMG ^Isthat we went to the dentist too hmm I an not a troll just copying your posts I promise.

After repeated screaming for the best part of 2 hours I've given in and DS is having an early night. I will pay for this later I'm sure but he's beside himself with tiredness.

WillYou same here ds is already asleep!

IsThatTrue Wed 04-Sep-13 18:44:34

grin you'd have to be a very sad kinda troll to copy my boring posts willyou. But as we're in this weird synchronised universe atm could you possibly get your baby to sleep for 12 hrs and be happy and nap tomorrow wink Ta very muchly grin

DS always starts feeding to sleep at 6.30. I'm normally out of here by 6.50 when he has his pre-nighttime nap, normally waking up around 7.30, feeding again then he's down. unless it's a really bad night and I don't get to leave his room for 3 hrs hmm

DS has drunk his bottle and is now wailing with tiredness again. Give it another 5 minutes and I may join him. I may pierce my own eardrums so I don't have to listen to him cry anymore.

this is all

IsThatTrue Wed 04-Sep-13 19:23:45

Oh willyou wine I do love that video though!

Well ds's pre-nighttime nap was only 30 minutes, so we're feeding to sleep again but then he should FX be out for the count.

Apple roasted pork with roasties (sweet potato for me) and cauliflower and broccoli cheese. Mmmmm can't wait for dinner!

halestone Wed 04-Sep-13 19:39:32

I'm hid in my bedroom after giving H a bath DP has took her down. I am so fed up of H crying, i know that makes me sound terrible but its so loud and i can't figure out whats wrong. My back hurts from constantly carrying her around (shes 26lb now), my head hurts from the crying. I can't get anything done as she is constantly needing me there. I mean even if i go the loo she has to come with mehmm As a sidenote i have been bleeding for 3 weeks so i'm exhausted and hot and bothered.

Sorry for the huge whinge post, please someone tell me this is a developmental stage and my happy baby is going to return.

MamaTo3Boys Wed 04-Sep-13 19:45:47

Aww hales, we all feel like that at times. It doesn't make you sound terrible at all, it makes you sound human! It's all part of being a parent. Hope things get easier for you soon x

WLmum Wed 04-Sep-13 19:51:28

Weird - we went to the dentist too!!

Sorry to hear about lack of naps and lots of crying.
hales it is not wrong to hide from your children! DH and I take turns! The clinginess is a normal stage and will pass. Does it help if you give her calpol? Could something be hurting? It is so extraordinarily stressful when they cry and moan all day and you can't figure out why. It's bad enough when you do know why!

I've been horrible and shouted at the big 2 today which is not like me. Of course I feel horribly guilty now.

Dd1 is back to school tom and dd2 has her second morning at pre-school. Just deciding what errands to run! Think I'll do one that involves a long walk for me so I can burn a few calories. Have done 2 days of fasting and lost 3lbs. It's made me realise just how much I actually eat!

IsThatTrue Wed 04-Sep-13 20:06:14

WL I'm planning to do 5:2 as and when my weight loss slows. Right now I've lost 30lbs in 10 weeks, just 20-27 lb left to go hmm

IsThatTrue Wed 04-Sep-13 20:07:29

Sorry fat fingers...

hales it's awful when they're like that. It doesn't make you sound horrible at all. None of us are perfect. Unmumsnetty hugs being sent your way.

utopian99 Wed 04-Sep-13 20:20:40

Feel for you hales - I think we all have put down and take 5 moments, it's only natural.
Also sorry to hear about poor napping.

O had a lovely afternoon chasing bigger girls (3-4yo) round the garden. Really taking after his father this one!

I now feel guilty for not taking O to the dentist - he has two proper bottom teeth and three cutting at the moment, should I go just as a routine thing?

Also guilty as I miss timed supper so have had to feed him to sleep with no real food first. sad he did have a lovely play with dh while I made it but is now asleep; if I'd had a tiny ounce of common sense I'd have asked dh to give him supper from one of the prepped lunches I have for us.. Idiot mummy.

utopian99 Wed 04-Sep-13 20:21:50

Ooh forgot all my bold-ing on names, sorry. Seem to have absent brain this eve..

Utopian your dentist will just say to bring him along with you to start with

Barbeasty Wed 04-Sep-13 20:25:27

Hales, absolutely take a break and let DP take over. And if you're exhausted then maybe get the GP to check you for anaemia from that bleeding.

I was just holding A in the kitchen, talking to DH. Suddenly A grabbed my pint glass of water and flipped it onto the stone floor. Broken glass and water everywhere. DH is clearing up; A is resolutely not falling asleep on my lap.

PurplePidjin Wed 04-Sep-13 20:35:00

For those with OHs working regular hours, dp loves having his own set times with R. His responsibilities are breakfast and bath time. Means i get an hour in bed while they eat, and 20 minutes to tidy up of an evening. I think I've bathed R about 3 times and given him breakfast twice! No matter how tired he is, how much his head hurts or how slow his arm is being, he wants his time - he was most put out last week when T was still asleep when he left for work grin

They have a brilliant bond smile

IsThatTrue Wed 04-Sep-13 20:36:11

utopian I only took ds2 as the others had their 6monthly appointment. I don't think dd saw a dentist until she was 3 as I wasn't registered at one just take DS along with you when you go. And don't beat yourself up about dinner. DS didn't have lunch today because we were busy. He had more boob, no harm done. smile

Hales I'm with you. If you're a bad mummy so am I as J has cried for almost a week and I'm ready to join the circus. He had a good day yesterday but other than that he has had to be on me at every second of every day. The other day I had a wee while trying to prise his hands off my sanitary towel!

Here's to hoping its a stage and here's to lots of cake wine and if all else fails [valium].

MamaTo3Boys Wed 04-Sep-13 20:47:46

I'm having trouble getting my 2 older boys to go to sleep tonight sad
You'd think after getting up early, their first day back in school and playing out with their friends before tea would be enough to tire them out.
Don't know where they get their energy from, I'm exhausted!

Barbeasty Wed 04-Sep-13 20:53:39

Missed that bit utopian. Our practice will only register them once they're 2, but our actual dentist will have a peek before then if they have a few teeth & let him. We were advised to take DC with us so they get used to the idea.

And the clingyness is a stage. The nursery suggested that it's as they become mobile and realise they are their own person.

Although DD still likes to wander into the bathroom when I'm there.

WLmum Wed 04-Sep-13 21:58:43

utopian T only came to the dentist as dd1 had an apt, she was asleep in her pram through the whole apt! She doesn't have any teeth anyway! That was the hospital dentist as dd1 has a weird tooth that broke in half top to bottom when she was 2 and no-one knows why so it's monitored, but our actual dentist that we saw a couple of weeks back made us all appointments on the off chance that T had some teeth in 3 months time. She was pretty cool and said it was more about getting them used to it and didn't mind if T caused havoc on the floor while I was in the chair.

T did some independent standing in the garden today!

No dignity in parenthood - boobs were out after feeding T, 3yo decided to have a go and then so did 6yo! I'd be lying if I said it wasn't weird!

WLmum Wed 04-Sep-13 22:56:26

isthat that is amazing weight loss - well done you! I should have a stock of calorie controlled meals by then so happy to share. DH eats the same things every fast day - the boredom would kill me faster than the hunger.

MamaTo3Boys Wed 04-Sep-13 23:12:00

What finger foods do you give your LOs? I was thinking of starting Oliver with some at dinnertime instead of having full cooked meals all the time but can't think what to give him. At the moment he normally has weetabix for breakfast, them spag Bol or whatever I'd made the night before and frozen, then another cooked meal or jar of baby food at tea time x

halestone Wed 04-Sep-13 23:24:16

Thank you everyone. Willyou i'll have a valium thank yougrin

Utopian i wouldn't worry to much about supper. We often miss meals for one reason or another but H has a terrible appetite so that might be why she doesn't care.

3boys the 1st finger food we tried with H was carrot but that was because it was cold and she was teething. But she loves carrots cucumbers peaches grapes and strawberries.

WL and Isthat congratulations on all your weight lossgrinthanks

ddas Wed 04-Sep-13 23:24:30

Our favourite finger foods at the moment are pasta, cauliflower cheese, avocado, sweet potatoe, Spanish omelette, broccoli & carrots.
Oh and of course any fruit but especially mango.
Try and give her finger food for dinner- some carbs, veg & fruit.

MamaTo3Boys Wed 04-Sep-13 23:43:44

Thanks smile

I do the weekly shop tomorrow so ill pick up some pasta and fruit and veg. Ill let you know how he gets on with it. He's got used to lumpy food now, he used to suck all the sauce off it then spit the lumps out so havent really tried finger foods yet x

Mama anything and everything is finger food here. Toast, chopped up omelette, sandwich thins spread with hummus,strips of pepper, you name it he'll fling it round my living room eat it.

So we're lying in bed and we have a conversation that goes like this. "DP did you put those bottles you made in the fridge?" Him (quite short) "Yes!" So why are they sat in a bowl of cold water when I've just popped to the kitchen now hmm

Ps good choice Hales. Can I get madam a rhinoceros tranquilliser to wash that down with? wink

IsThatTrue Thu 05-Sep-13 06:24:07

Um....DS was up at midnight...and I think he slept until now shock unless I am so sleep deprived I forgot a wake up in its entirety. hmm that's pretty amazing sleep for him. I've only had 6hrs in a row about twice since he was born! smile

I hope others had a better night too.

Yay IsThat! Apparently dd woke three times last night but I didn't hear her! It was 30 degrees in their room though...

Stacks Thu 05-Sep-13 08:59:49

Woo for good nights for people. We had a good night here too, though this morning I woke up hearing T crying from his room - not through the baby monitor. No idea why, it was all switched on.

Hales how was your night? Better than yesterday? It's so hard when they cry for what seems like no reason.

Will the bottles be ruined now Willyou? Silly DP.

Mama we give most things as finger food here. Most of it ends up on the floor though. Sweetcorn on the cob goes down well though, cook it as normal, then once cooked slice it into penny shapes through the core. T loves gnawing on them. Also standards like toast, carrot sticks, sweet potato wedges and chips.

Sigh, I keep telling myself I won't try CC in the day as its too distressing for T and I. He cries loads more and doesn't nap that long each time. Still I just put him down asleep, he woke up as I left but I continued to leave thinking he'd fall back asleep quickly. 10 minutes of screaming later and I feel terrible, but I also feel I can't go pick him up as that'll confuse the night time training. sad

Barbeasty Thu 05-Sep-13 09:09:56

I don't know quite what time A woke up, but I was woken from a deep sleep and it was dark. So it wasn't until half way back from the cot to my bed that I realised I was carrying him upside down blush

Then he woke again at 4.10 which is a new habit that I don't like. I don't really sleep properly then until I have to get up at 5am. I'm really tired.

itsMYNutella Thu 05-Sep-13 09:10:15

mumof we do weetabix with milk & fruit or just fruit or some non sugary Cheerios things. He loves pasta, bread, a bit of marmite or Philadelphia spread on bread goes down quite well. He really enjoys tortellini/ ravioli type pastas - I normally buy the spinach and ricotta ones and then use various types of sauce on it. We normally do porridge for dinner and for snacks I have breadsticks and fruity slice things in my bag and usually a fruity pouch thing which he likes to squeeze all over himself feed himself

Well, last week we had some awful nights and now he is pulling up on things and starting to sit much better so perhaps it was a developmental thing? This week he has mostly woken around midnight for a feed and then slept until 5 ish and then slept again until 7 ish.
I think we haven't got long before more teeth and proper standing... I think I'm excited about it hmm need to do some more baby proofing though...

We are also still BFing - he loves the boobies grin.

Barbeasty that's hilarious grin

Barbeasty Thu 05-Sep-13 09:31:19

He was very gracious and didn't cry. I think we were both a bit confused. Milk soon made up for it!

Hahaha Barbeasty that's officially too funny.

J is screeching himself to sleep on my chest. His "I'm not tired" routine would be so much more convincing if he didn't have to stop for a yawn every 30 seconds or so. DP showed me how to get him to sleep. You have to let him kind of CIO while holding him to you or he will just play and never sleep. It's stressful but less so than trying for 2 hours and him still not sleeping.

This morning while getting J dressed I realised he was standing independently! He was holding the chair and I went to put his tshirt on and realised I didn't have to take his hands off it as he'd let go a few seconds earlier and was just standing on his changing mat shock He slept 9-11, 11-3:30, 4:15-7. He was starving this morning and last night though. Think I need to bump up his food but not sure what else I can give him.

Ooh ravioli nutella that's a good idea. I'm so out of good meal ideas. The freezer is tiny too so I need things that I can eat so there's no leftovers.

lazzaroo Thu 05-Sep-13 09:40:19

stacks we did cc with dd1 at night but it never worked for s in the day.she was always rocked to sleep or settled in pushchair. It didn't seem to confuse things, it still got her sleeping through & naps just lengthened over time with no change from me.

Baby lazza has, I think, heat rash and/or dribble rash under her chin. It's got a bit more widespread over past couple f days & a bit drier. Any suggestions regarding best cream to use on it? Her plentiful chin(s) rubbing constantly doesn't help! smile

lazzaroo Thu 05-Sep-13 09:45:08

Oh, and we're doing same sort of finger foods. Scrambled egg works too. Anything on toast! Tomato puree & melted grated cheese on toast is a favourite. I got some ideas from a blw blog. Can't remember the site but if you google blw meal ideas it'll probably come up.

Am also still bf. Was hoping to have day weaned onto a cup by now but she's got other ideas!

lazzaroo Thu 05-Sep-13 09:48:23

Sudacrem for dribble rash Lazza, every time you see it's wet just dab the dribble away with your fingers too (that's all the time then).

lazzaroo Thu 05-Sep-13 11:06:49

Thanks willyou, that's what I have been using so will carry on. She is a constant stream of dribble. Soaks a dribble bib in about 5 mins! Think the heat has just aggravated it over past couple of days.

We have similar dribble issues. Poor ds has two massive white heads on his chin that I definitely do not want to squeeze wink

WLmum Thu 05-Sep-13 11:12:43

beasty I think that's the best sleep deprived co sequence I've heard! Hilarious!

lazzaroo Thu 05-Sep-13 12:14:38

Is it possible to overdose on blueberries?! Baby lazza is have berries after her lunch and just keeps shovelling them in! smile easy peasy finger food & great to take out and about for snacks.

spotty baby lazza laughed her head off when I was testing out dd1 's robot & it was singing and dancing smile

Oh I can't wait to get mine. Wish I'd ordered more wink

IsThatTrue Thu 05-Sep-13 16:01:28

Well after our great night and dcs going to school have helped, DS is on his 3rd nap of today. shock

30 mins (while I ran), 2hrs, and 20mins so far! shock

Glad you're having a better day IsThat.

I've got a much happier baby today too. He had 1h 45 this morning and then we went to debenhams and he hogged shared a veggie lasagne. He's just had a bottle and gone down again. I know it's late for a nap but I'd rather this than what happened last night!

DS loves blueberries Lazza. They had them cheap in Aldi a few weeks running. I did have to convince the doctor when he had diarrhoea that there was blueberry skins in there not blood!

Oooh a lovely teething spot Spotty, not at all tempting...

I'm still sniggering intermittently thinking about Anthony hanging upside down Barbeasty! grin

Just had a flick through all the photos on Facebook. How cute are half dressed babies? Much cuter than a fully dressed one! smile

WLmum Thu 05-Sep-13 16:54:29

Pesky T has a new fave past time - emptying dd1s chest of drawers! The drawers slide out really easily and throwing freshly laundered clothes all over the floor is the best game ever. Monkey.
Ergo has arrived but don't think I'll get a chance to play with it today.

Naked ones are the best grin

ooh the monkey WL, happy tidying!

I'm partial to a tshirt and a bare bum Spotty grin

Stacks Thu 05-Sep-13 19:12:44

Every night I feel like the worst mum ever. T doesn't cry long when I leave now, but he sounds just so, so sad. sad

Love the upside down baby beasty. Remember to look for the hairy end in the cot before you pick them up ;)

WL T loves emptying things, drawers, toy boxes any box. I tend to sit him down infront of a box of stuff at least once a day. He had great fun with the kitchen utensil pot the other day.

Glad you've had a better day IsThat and WillYou, how has your day been hales?

I've never tried T on blueberries, will have to order some in. He had a really good day eating today, much less stuff ended up on the floor. Maybe the result of night weaning?

IsThatTrue Thu 05-Sep-13 19:23:32

Bedtime isn't going well, he's too hot and when I transfer him he wakes. He's sitting very quietly with my nipple on his mouth atm hmm

WLmum Thu 05-Sep-13 20:31:39

Yep, we're back on the boob. I think her bottom middle teeth are on the rise and whilst not causing great misery I do think perhaps niggly. She's waking up crying from naps and in the night which is unusual.

Poor dd2 has recently got really scared of a few things - automatic doors and being shut in places (like tesco not cupboards!). We're planning on an end of summer hols trip to Legoland (free tickets from the sun!) but tonight she cried and said she wants to stay at home as we might get shut in. I'm not sure how to help her. I've reassured her as much as possible but to no avail. I know she'll enjoy it but I don't want to force her.

Hmm WL really not sure on that one. We went to legoland in June dd loved it. We hired her one of the car/buggies they do double ones too smile tell her they don't have doors grin how long until you go?

WLmum Thu 05-Sep-13 21:04:51

We're going on Sunday. I've told her that she can go in the buggy and we'll carry T, told her there'll be treats in the picnic etc but she's just got a bee in her bonnet.
It's thrown us a bit as she's always been the confident one.

Hmm what about involving her in some decisions? Looking at the map and deciding which rides you will go on? It's a tough one I suppose it's just another phase that she's going through...

Dd is ill. Temp over 39 all day. Before bed she said her ear hurt. I have to work tomorrow too sad she fell asleep in her bed before 6:30 and is still sparko

IsThatTrue Thu 05-Sep-13 21:27:59

He's not in bed yet. I have up at 8.15 (1hr 45min after starting bedtime) so I could make and eat dinner. He's been perfectly happy downstairs. I've just bought him back up to try again and he still doesn't seem to be going. Finding it really hard this evening. Just want some downtime and I won't get any as I'm knackered so it'll be straight to bed. And then all the night wakings, the 6.30 alarm, the school run, work and DS all day. I just need done time sad roll on say morning run!

jackandjilly Thu 05-Sep-13 21:44:10

Bloody busy week so not much time to catch up.

Ds has been fine at the cm's

Dd has been in tears all night about big school. Today was her first day, I'm dreading tomorrowhmm

Beasty that is THE funniest thing ever! gringringrin

WLmum Thu 05-Sep-13 22:08:49

Sorry to hear that jack. I'm sure she'll settle down and have a great time soon enough but for now it must be very tough.

halestone Thu 05-Sep-13 22:23:05

Beasty thats Hilarious grin

Isthat and Willyou i'm glad you've had better days. Sorry your nights turning out to be a bad one though Isthat.

WL i have no suggestions on how to help your DD but i liked spotty's idea it might give her a sense of control.

Spotty hope your DD is better tomorrow.

Jacks Sorry your DD had a bad 1st day hopefully tomorrow will be much more positive for her.

Stacks i think that your doing the best thing for T but it will upset you as your a good mum so hearing him cry is triggering your maternal response. The benefits your giving him in the long term though are far better, be kind to yourself. Thank you for asking about H shes not cried today as much but i have literally had her out all day. We went to our local town for the market she had loads of old women cooing after her. She only had one nap though for an hour and has just gone to sleep now. I'm hoping for a successful transfer to her cot FX.

WLmum Thu 05-Sep-13 22:46:39

hales could she just be bored and frustrated at home? You mentioned before she was better outside. I know T gets bored sometimes and she's had the big 2 to entertain her. Could you spend more time outside? Picnic lunch/breakfast/tea, feeding the ducks etc. do you do any baby classes? Libraries have free story and rhyme times.

2blessed Thu 05-Sep-13 23:05:00

Hi All,

hales sure its just a phase, hope she perks up.

Oh beasty that had me chuckling.

spotty R has a whitehead above his lip that looks like its ready to pop.

Sorry not updated, had a very busy couple of days with family (thankfully no drama!). Also busy doing voluntary work for next few days, will be longest periods R will be without me. Have been shoving his dummy in all the time in prep as he insists on using me as a dummy.
Hopefully over the weekend there will be time for dp and I to have a proper talk. We're both under a bit of pressure at the moment.

pidj I've tried to pm you but for some reason the 'message poster' function isn't working for me.

Hugs and sleepy dust all round.

halestone Thu 05-Sep-13 23:16:33

WL i think she could be bored inside i will try doing more outside. We're getting our garden done tomorrow so hopefully we'll be able to stay out more. Thanks for those suggestions i'll definitely be trying most of them.

2blessed the dummy idea is a good one. I hope that when you and DP get chance to talk that it helps things for you.

PurplePidjin Fri 06-Sep-13 06:22:38

Children are like puppies, they need exercising daily!

WLmum Fri 06-Sep-13 06:48:27

Three 5.30 starts in a row coupled with super busy evenings and so v late nights = 1 v tired WL. Sole goal of today is to be in bed by 9.30! (And spend some quiet 1:1 with dd2).

hales one of our local children's centres has a sensory room which is great and free plus of course other play sessions etc. it's really worth checking them out if you don't already. If T were my first I'd def take more advantage.

WLmum Fri 06-Sep-13 06:50:10

Also do you have a local toy library?

WLmum Fri 06-Sep-13 06:52:23

Mums and tots groups are usually plentiful and a cheap couple of hours where H can get her fill of watching big kids race around.

We had a lie in today until 5:50 hmm

Dd is feeling less hot will see how she gets on today I'm only working until 1:30 anyway. It's still boiling here , waiting for this rain to cool it down

utopian99 Fri 06-Sep-13 07:50:00

WL , jacks hales and spotty wishing you happier DSs.
O definitely gets frustrated if we stay in all day. We tend to stay in and read books/play in the morning then go for a walk or to a group around lunch/early afternoon. Had to drive to London to meet our downstairs neighbor-to-be and check she's okay with our planned works; she was really lovely though and has a 9yo dd who said when O is bigger he can use her trampoline smile (garden is shared between the two flats.)

Had a great sleep from 9pm when we got back to 3.30am, but then waking every 40mins after that, screaming from teeth. Have given lots of gel and more calpol to come soon.

beasty that story is hilarious. Glad A didn't seem bothered - a new world view for him?

I was feeding O and a bit spaced out from all the wake ups at 5, when dh let himself very quietly into the nursery to offer help. I didn't hear him so just became aware of a dark human sized form appearing in the room and screamed like a 50s slasher film heroine. blush scared dh and O silly, so had family cuddles to calm everyone down again. Nothing like a bit of early morning drama eh?

Chucking it down here too. Fantastic news as we have tickets for the races and it's going to be cold and wet all weekend!

We have been up all night. He just never really settled at all. At 4 we got in the spare bed but had been woken 5 times by then. Not sure what's up, hopefully just the heat.

<hands round matchsticks and caffeine-filled drinks>

grin Utopian you skittish kitten!

halestone Fri 06-Sep-13 08:13:57

Pidj i do take Heidi out in her pram daily so she 'is exercised' i just don't go to any groups. She does spend time with the neighbours children outside and loves the neighbours dog and cat.

WL i will look into what groups are in our local area, hopefully we'll find something.

Utopian haha i'm sorry that you got scared but that made me giggle.

H was up most the night but i'm convinced its because she needs a poo TMI sorry.

WLmum Fri 06-Sep-13 09:12:48

Hope dd is better v soon spotty

Barbeasty Fri 06-Sep-13 12:52:38

spotty hope your DD is better and work was ok. It's horrid, that pressure of an ill child and a job.

I managed to keep A the right way up last night. But with wakings at 12, 2, 3, 4 and getting up at 5, it was tempting to turn him upside down!

Roll on home time!!

She's fine today grin apparently a night in mummy and daddy's bed was all she needed hmmgrin

WLmum Fri 06-Sep-13 14:35:50

That's good spotty.
I've got a nap refuser today. She's happy enough but has had nowhere near enough sleep since 5.30am. It's so wrong - if I was offered a nap I'd do a good 3 hours! Hope she's not a pita at bedtime.

Ergo looks good. Will try it out properly tomorrow. Still a bit worried about the £105 it cost but but but.

willyou loving the phrase skittish kitten!

It's £100 well spent WL I just looked at my credit card statement shockshockblush I'm not telling dp...

Ds has two naps at my step mums today an hour each which is ok considering it's only the second day he's had naps there

WLmum Fri 06-Sep-13 16:14:31

eBay buyer has just been to pick up the infant car seat - sob!

Oh sob WL lalalalala they're still newborns lalalalala!

Today I have sold DS into baby slavery. I am not his friend! He would not nap at all and just shrieked and clung all morning. I needed to do my asda shop so dropped him at my mums at 11. Picked him up at 1 and mil picked him up at 3 so that I can clean/declutter for our viewing on Sunday.

I have printed holiday tickets, sorted car insurance, reserved baby milk at the airport, taxed my car, booked a leg wax, decluttered everywhere, cleaned the whole of downstairs, sorted tickets for the races tomorrow and done the washing. Still to clean the whole of the upstairs and do the ironing. I am fit to drop tbh and have made the mistake of sitting down. Giving myself until the end of the radio 2 news before kicking off again hmm

WLmum Fri 06-Sep-13 16:35:35

Bloody hell willyou that's going some! And to think I was pleased that I've given the loo a wipe over!

I've got very mixed feelings about the end of my baby era. If we were rich I'd have another but we're not. So the plus side is I can start to think about a proper job again, getting some interests of my own back etc.

After having J I thought I'd quite like 3/4 but after this horrendous clinging/up all night stage I think I'll probably stick to two (if we're lucky enough to have another). I'll still have the next one soon though, get it all over in one go.

Cleaning done! Ironing to do, not much though as I last did it on Wednesday.

lazzaroo Fri 06-Sep-13 17:21:17

Just wanted to say jack that I was like your DD when .I started secondary school. I remember it clearly. I hated it and cried when I got home, felt really anxious about it. I just worried about it so much. I remember my mum saying we could try a different school! But I knew I'd be the same wherever it was. Anyway, it didn't last forever. In fact it was probably a week or two at most. I'm sorry if that not really helpful! But I'm sure it will pass & in the meantime give her something to aim towards, something fun at the weekend to look forward too perhaps. And things to do in the evening to take her mind off it (I remember coming home & playing Game of life with my sister while we listened to Terence Trent Darby smile)

lazzaroo Fri 06-Sep-13 17:22:57

Discovered today that the trampoline makes an excellent outdoor playpen wink

ISpyPlumPie Fri 06-Sep-13 19:22:56

We're having nap issues too. Think N has pretty much dropped his morning nap now. He fooled me yesterday by having it in the buggy on the way back from preschool, but this morning he was determined to soldier on. He then fell asleep just in time for lunch, so we had a missed meal blush. If this is going to be his new pattern, I'lll have to bring his lunch forward but it's just impossible to know. My feeling is he needs his nap earlier as he gets increasingly frustrated with things, but try telling him that!

He is also uber-clingy. He's fine if he decides he wants to be off exploring something dangerous and unsuitable but the second I leave the boundaries of the zone known only to him we have a meltdown. As he gets more tired, he wants to be picked up and won't let go for a second. It's at its worst in the evening - we are basically back to baby juggling until our betime, which now consists of co-sleeping pretty much from word go.

Think it's a combination of a severe case of nine month cling, and the fact he seems to be going through a little bit of a leap - lots of independent standing, climbing and more 'conversational' babbling (if that makes any sense).

Sorry for the essay. He's brilliant but it's quite tough right now.

WLmum Fri 06-Sep-13 19:23:40

Haha lazza that dates you nicely, makes you about the same as me by my reckoning!
Am on track for my 9.30 curfew - both goals could well be achieved today!

WLmum Fri 06-Sep-13 19:30:51

ispy Ts naps schedule has been ruined by the return to school. Am just trying to wait until the new schedule becomes clear! Am really hoping that these 5.30 starts are not part of the new way.
Evening cling is one reason I just bought the ergo - T is often a bit fussy and clingy as she gets tired early evening but I've got to be able to do stuff.
Are you happy with the co- sleeping or wanting to change it?
Sorry it's tough just now, it could well be as you say due to developmental leaps. We've now got stair climbing but still no babbling, just baby noises iykwim.

ISpyPlumPie Fri 06-Sep-13 19:58:10

Tbh I'm not sure WL. When it wasn't all night, I just felt that it's what he needs at the moment, so go with it. We're in a situation now though where DH and I are sleeping apart every night (he doesn't feel comfortable co-sleeping - he's fine with me doing it, but worries about rolling onto N himself). In fact, it's got to the point where DS1 refers to the spare room as "daddy's room" blush. Don't feel that this is healthy in the long run. .

OTOH, I keep think it's just a phase, it'll pass and I don't quite feel ready to try CC yet.

I do feel though that I need to get it sorted before I go back to work next month, although I fully accept that in itself is likely to set things back again anyway. Aaaargh!

Stacks Fri 06-Sep-13 20:04:49

T has started singing recently. Not babbling or making any English speaking sounds, just lots of voice varying. It's cute though, and much better than his high pitched screech that's used for everything else.
He's also started taking things apart, tearing tissue, paper... finger foods. Well, kind of everything. Plus taking things out of his mouth to look at them half way through chewing. Anyone else?

We're a bit off the 9 month cling I think, just 8.5m now. There's signs of it coming though, when he's feeling fragile or tired he'll scream if I even think about walking away from him. I guess I should start getting him used to the sling!

Pidg, and other reusable nappy users - random question, what do you use to wash your nappies? Mine have detergent build up from using liquid. Going to do a strip wash but wondering what to use in future. I've heard you can use Bold 2 in 1?

WillYou I'm very impressed with everything you managed today! I'm seriously considering hiring a cleaner.

I'd like one more baby, now T is sleeping we might even manage it. Not for a while though, one seems like enough work for now. smile

WLmum Fri 06-Sep-13 20:49:21

Stacks I've always just used my normal non-bio, but do usually so an extra rinse. Never had detergent build up issues - to my knowledge! - how did you know?!

jackandjilly Fri 06-Sep-13 21:05:50

Lazzaroo- thank you it does help to know it will pass. She has had a better day today so that's a relief.

Terence Trent Darby, sign your name, that is a blast from the pastgringringringrin

PurplePidjin Fri 06-Sep-13 21:15:37

Powder is better. Try and avoid conditioner and optical brighteners smile

PurplePidjin Fri 06-Sep-13 21:17:14

I do prewash - 60* wash - at least one extra rinse. 1tbsp powder, occasionally a splash of white vinegar if the bamboo is getting crunchy.

utopian99 Fri 06-Sep-13 21:57:48

I do ecover powder or napisan, 50 degs normally. Strip washing preloveds I do a 70 degree with nothing in the drawer.. So far seems fine.

We're only just 8 months so as yet not too clingy and hoping to keep it that way. Sleep has gone rather downhill this week due to development jump (crusing and singing) and teeth though.

We're still aiming for three - were going to start TTC next month but there is a mooted friends trip to Ibiza next year (inc another couple with similar age baby so we can swap baby sitting duties,) so thinking of putting it off to November so I won't be so much at risk of early birth interfering. Not sure if that decision means IABU.. I still want them close in age though if possible.

Stacks Fri 06-Sep-13 21:57:55

WL they start smelling strongly when they're full of pee. Also don't smell completely fresh when clean. I read this blog randomly and it made me think I should give it a go.

I guess I'll be moving to washing powder soon. Some people have suggested ecoeggs, anyone tried them?

utopian99 Fri 06-Sep-13 22:39:55

No but I've heard recommendations too..

The Small is waking up grizzling every 40 mins - this is utterly new to him. Any ideas? He doesn't want milk to settle, just cuddles..

2blessed Fri 06-Sep-13 23:21:35

I've got the eco egg. Was recommended to me as I.have eczema. I found a thread on here I think in housekeeping. Don't use it often.

Stacks Fri 06-Sep-13 23:49:53

Utopian cosleep? Might be teeth or illness or just wanting mummy. Is he settling quickly each time?

Have you tried calpol? Even if he's not screaming a headache or toothache can be really bothersome even if not really painful.

utopian99 Sat 07-Sep-13 03:52:23

Yes, he's on alternating calpol and ibuprofen, poor thing. Have been giving him extra gum gel and milk and we now have sleep in 1.5 hr chunks. Might be cosleeping soon anyway, dh said the same thing about him just needing someone there while it's painful, poor creature. (Ds not dh!)

He did forget about teeth for long enough to have a great time jumping on our bed with dh earlier though.. grin

grin Utopian at your DH and jumping on the bed. I second teeth and i second cosleeping when they're poorly.they sort of check you're there, adjust positions and nod back off, all without you moving!

Mine's toying with a bottle, there's no way he's hungry the speed he's slowed to after a couple of oz. not drunk a lot today though as MiL didn't give it him hmm, they think he should be off milk now. I mean what do health professionals know anyway?

MamaTo3Boys Sat 07-Sep-13 18:03:32

Hi all smile how is everyone and all your LOs? Not had time to read through the thread but ill catch up later.

Oliver has discovered he can move around in his walker. So far hes emptied all the kitchen cupboards, pulled all the ornaments off the shelves in the living room, tipped the laundry basket out, pressed all the buttons on the washing machine mid cycle and emptied the tumble dryer shock little terror! Haha think its time to properly baby proof my house.

And you said he didn't move 3boys! wink

Ds just climbed onto the table (dd's table) pics on fb...

Ds just started crawling properly, not even a few crawls he just went off and did it! So long commando crawling!

MamaTo3Boys Sat 07-Sep-13 18:45:27

Haha he wasnt. The past 1-2 weeks hes all of sudden started standing with support, sitting unaided and pushing himself around in his walker grin. He was defo just being lazy haha.

Think i was just worried because on my 20 week scan they spotted a kink in his spine and also I was ill during pregnancy, in and out of hospital etc. The kink had disappeared on a 34 week growth scan but it was still in the back of my mind

MamaTo3Boys Sat 07-Sep-13 18:46:13

Spotty hell be discovering a whole new world again now as hes crawling grin have fun!

He's been getting around really quickly with his commando crawling so I didn't think he'd bother with proper crawling smile I got very excited blush

WLmum Sat 07-Sep-13 20:06:39

Great news 3boys and spotty. Crawling is just so cute. Ts fave thing is emptying stuff - today mostly the kids books.

Loving the ergo. First outing today and I managed to get a sleeping Tabs out of the car and into it without waking her! I had to put her on my front which I wasn't planning as she's so heavy but it was fine. She was prob in there for a good 1.5 hours, cutely asleep for about 30 mins under the groovy hood, while we walked in the woods. I love the woods too!

utopian99 Sat 07-Sep-13 20:27:19

Crikey spotty!

O has learned how to reach and turn off the wireless router. Not impressed.

WLmum Sat 07-Sep-13 21:42:11

Donated my wedding dress to oxfam today smile. They had a bugaboo in there! I told the old ladies how much it was worth and they were very shocked!

IsThatTrue Sat 07-Sep-13 21:51:49

Not much sleep being had here yawn

Will catch up properly soon.

I hope all babies and mummies are well.

ddas Sat 07-Sep-13 22:04:26

Wow that's going to be one very pleased person who buys it as I'm sure they won't have it on for what it's worth- although considering it's for charity they should.

5 years post wedding I've been trying to sell my wedding dress on preloved but not had much luck.

With ergo has anyone had older dc that not keen on it? Dd loves it front carry though as she's still tiny (in 3-6 months clothes still!!) but 2yr old ds refused again to go in it (on back)-total meltdown saying he was scared. Thing is even though he's been walking since 10 months he still likes to be carried when gets tired or just when fancies a cuddle. Dh can put him on his shoulders but he's just too big & me too small to do it.

Love the expression 9 month cling- so true. Dd will at the moment refuse to go to anybody else if I'm an option & will crawl around following me everywhere till I stop when she proceeds to cling onto my leg and climb!

WLmum Sat 07-Sep-13 22:31:16

Yep, I made several attempts to sell my dress and I only had person msg me about a viewing which never materialised. Decided to donate it as I need the space and if it ends up moth eaten or discoloured with age etc then no-one gets any benefit.
Your dd is tiny compared to my hunk of loveliness - 21ish lbs and in 9-12 month stuff. Just shows that they come in all shapes and sizes.
I tried dd2 (3.5) in the ergo at home and she loved it. I was curious as to how heavy she would feel - she's within the weight range but I wouldn't fancy it for long. I'm sure I couldn't manage her on my shoulders. Does your ds like a piggy back or only shoulders? Maybe DH could try getting him used to piggy back for a bit. Is it because he thinks you're not holding onto him?

ISpyPlumPie Sat 07-Sep-13 22:43:01

Yay to crawling Spotty.

Sounds like you've got your hands full 3boys but wow, what a change in two weeks.

Think it's lovely that you've donated your dress WL. DM has mine stored away together with hers and DGMs. We thought having the three generations would make a nice collection. Doesn't look like I'll have a DD to add her dress to it, but who knows one of the DSs might be interested in fashion or something.

We've had a real breakthrough today. I was doing an all day voluntary thing, and we'd arranged that DH would look after the DC and bring N along if he needed boob. He managed the whole event without, and settled fine for his nap. Think he transferred his clinginess to DH, but shows it isn't specific to me. I was out of the house from 8.00 am until 5.00 pm. So proud of him. Also far less stressed about going back to work now.

lazzaroo Sun 08-Sep-13 06:13:13

Morning. Hope some good sleeping has been going on. Not so here unfortunately. And I'm totally fed up with it. Baby lazza woke twice last night but each time for over an hour. She's gone back to sleep now but on dh. He goes away tomorrow for the week and I'm not sure how I'm going to do it!

Sorry, that's a whingey start to the day!

Baby lazza is getting around so quickly now and also keen to be on her feet.

That's good Ispy. I felt the same this week when I was away 7-4 and everyone survived.....although admittedly she was pretty pleased to see me by 4! I won't need to be away that long again.

lazzaroo Sun 08-Sep-13 07:55:05

Anyone tried their little ones with pate? Is it ok at this age or still to be avoided?

WLmum Sun 08-Sep-13 08:09:36

That's nice ispy it will be a fashion find in the future! I've got the longest marriage in the history of my family so there were no other dressed around!
Glad everyone survived with you away for the day. I'm getting better at realising that everyone is ok without me for a bit and its ok not to do everything exactly my way!

Boo to poor sleep lazza. T was up for a quick feed once but dd2 was up 3 times! I fed T from 5.45 til 6.40 in our bed, I guess there was a bit of dozing, then DH took her for an hour.
No idea about pâté I'm afraid.

utopian99 Sun 08-Sep-13 08:17:27

I've read that pate is best avoided till 1yo due to very high levels of vitamin a (cause it's made from liver.)

Sorry to hear about poor sleep. We had a Day of Many Doses while teeth moved some more, but might be out of the woods on nights as he then slept 8-4.15!

IsThatTrue Sun 08-Sep-13 08:55:40

He woke 10.30 (just after I'd got to sleep), 12, 2, 3, 4, 5 and I brought him into our bed as I was done in and needed to lay down.

Tired is an understatement!

WLmum Sun 08-Sep-13 09:26:18

Poor you isthat that is extreme! Do you ever get a chance to rest? Your well being is important.

MaMaPo Sun 08-Sep-13 10:19:53

Hi all - can't keep up with you at the moment. brew for the sleepless ones. Isthat, that sounds like a tough night.

ISpy, well done with your breakthrough! I still haven't been apart from C for more than 3-4 hours. She's not bad using a sippy cup now, especially the free one from the HVs which we stupidly left at our friends' in Copenhagen! I was thinking of trying her on some milk in the cup during the day and seeing if my husband can manage her. It's not at all crucial as we'll all 3 of us be travelling for 5 weeks. I have a bottle of formula in the pantry that I bought when C was about 8 weeks old, but I still haven't used it. Maybe I'll give it a try.

Not sure if I mentioned it but I think we have had chicken pox! C came down with some spots about 3 weeks ago, on a Sunday right before we were going on holiday. I spoke to a nurse on NHS direct and saw a pharmacist, both of whom thought it was just a viral reaction as she wasn't at all unwell. Anyway, we saw the GP for her 8 month check (though she's 9 months) and the spots haven't yet gone, although they're faded. And the GP thinks she's had a mild case of the chicken pox! I hope so and that she's now immune, as she didn't scratch or have any bother. They vaccinate for chicken pox in Australia so either way she'll have to have a blood test to check immunity status.

Anyone else's baby started waving? C has just worked it out and it's adorable. Last night we had friends over, and it was a funny evening, and she started social laughing too - laughing just because we were. So delightful. She's a really social little creature.

hi, sorry been awol.

isthat really feel for you with your tough nights, is it teething waking him? or is this usual?

feeling v PFB - i've got a poorly baby today. i don't let it get to me if i know what's up - he's had plenty of colds but this is quite upsetting for both of us.
earlier in the week he had his first ever fever out of the blue and for no apparent reason, it went away by morning with calpol and co-sleeping. now today he's vomitted loads, really curdled, not like the vomit he used to do regularly.
he's realy upset and howls with distress if i put him down for an instant.
i think he's teething though no sign of teeth yet (lots of ear pulling). and he hasn't pooed since tuesday morning!
any ideas what it might be/what i should do?
he won't take anything except breastmilk - i keep trying to get water into him but no chance sad

Mama if they get it before a year chances are they'll get it again especially if it was a mild case. I've had it twice.

Ds is refusing to feed today just grins at me every time I try hmm hopefully he will have a feed later on!

MaMaPo Sun 08-Sep-13 16:15:34

I've had it twice too spotty - ages 3 and 10! Horrible.

Prunella, sounds awful. I'd keep in bfing as much as possible, don't worry too much about water if trying to et it in is tough.

ISpyPlumPie Sun 08-Sep-13 17:59:51

Aw poor thing Prunella - hope he's better soon. I'd agree with keeping on feeding as much as possible. Maybe GP if he's no better tomorrow/gets worse tonight.

Mama - glad C hardly noticed she'd had chicken pox. Fx that it is over and done with for her now, though I have heard the same as Spotty about the likelihood of them getting it again if they're under one.

Isthat - think you are the deserving recipient of today's sleepy dust.

Had a lovely afternoon. Met up with my NCT group from when I had DS1, so it's now four years since we met. We now each have two DCs of the same gender. Was a not entirely successful mission trying to get all ten of them in the same photo, but they all had a great time.

Oh pru I missed your post sad I think I would be ringing gp tomorrow or HV for advice. Hope he's feeling better.

IsThat I don't know how you keep going brew

lazzaroo Sun 08-Sep-13 18:09:01

Evening. Been away from baby lazza for a while today (did a sponsored walk....4 miles....feet aching!). she was pleased to see me again but didn't take much milk. Nice to know she's missing me not just my boobs!! wink

The rash on her chest is getting worse though. It's spread and is really red. Am wondering if it could be ezcma? Think a trip to GP's is needed to check it out sad

Isthat fingers crossed for good nights sleep tonight

mama we're getting random arm flapping....which I like to claim as waving!

prunella hope your little one is feeling better

Thanks for pate advice utopian smile

Well done on the walk lazza!

I put on the r&r earlier, dp was the last to wear it, and the waist clip fitted perfectly hmmsad

WLmum Sun 08-Sep-13 20:32:56

spotty maybe your DH is very slim?

We had a lovely day at Legoland, the ergo was great and I even managed a quick breast feed with her in it! I did have to use one hand to shove my boob up and had loosened the straps so she sat a bit lower but it meant I could feed her in a queue which was super useful.
Dd2 even warmed up and went on a few rides.
Everyone is exhausted now.

lazzaroo Sun 08-Sep-13 20:38:27

WL that's good to know. We've got free tickets to lego and in a couple of weeks smile looking forward to it.

WLmum Sun 08-Sep-13 20:39:04

mama glad C wasn't too poorly. Dd2 had the pox army about 8 months (caught from pre-schooling dd1) and was so poorly I ended up at the walk in with her on Xmas day. My brothers partner is a gp and said it was the worst case he'd ever seen sad. Thank god I was still bfing as she couldn't tolerate anything else in her mouth due to the spots all around her mouth. She was so hot poor lamb we co-slept with her in just a sleeveless vest and no covers and I could feel the heat radiating off her. Poor thing always gets everything badly - dr said its because her immune system is constantly under fire from her ezcema.

lazzaroo Sun 08-Sep-13 20:39:31

Oops, Legoland blush

WLmum Sun 08-Sep-13 20:39:52

Pox army?! The pox when she was...

grin At pox army

WLmum Sun 08-Sep-13 20:43:56

lazza my top tip would be to use the baby change in the bricks resto - it was not busy, nice and clean and had a great mobile above the change station. It's near the Atlantis ride which is like a submarine thing with fish and sharks swimming about so great for the babes. We had 2 free tickets from the sun and did tesco points for the other 2. The only money we spent was 1 cup of tea so I could bf inside and the car park grin.

utopian99 Sun 08-Sep-13 21:18:36

lazza O had a rash on his neck a few weeks back that the doctor thought was excema that had got infected. If the red areas are quite sharply outlined it could be fungal, apparently. Definitely worth a trip to a doctor though, as they could prescribe an anti-fungal or anti-bac cream?

His new teeth are coming into their own today; ate his entire portion of our roast dinner (aside from courgette skin hmm) and came back for more.

In other news I have taught myself to make a croquembouche for his naming ceremony next weekend. Great fun!

WLmum Sun 08-Sep-13 21:48:11

Qudos to you utopian - I seem to recall that was a toughie on masterchef! And yum of course!

MaMaPo Sun 08-Sep-13 21:51:48

WL, that pox army your daughter had sounds dreadful. Poor wee thing.

Mmm, croquembouche!

Well, after a late and drunken night last night (we had friends over and foolishly decided to try to cull our liquor cabinet a bit prior to packing - cue lots of weird combinations) I'm off to bed. Night all, and I hope those of you most in need get some really decent stretches.

halestone Sun 08-Sep-13 22:27:49

Isthat i hope your getting a sleep tonight.

Mama i hope C's ok i'm glad she doesn't seem to bothered by her chicken pox.

Lazza i would definitely see your GP tomorrow if your worried. Poor little thing i hope DS is ok.

Prunella i also hope that you get some help/answers from your GP tomorrow. I would just keep offering BF's that has all the nutrients your DS needs. I hope your ok as well.

I think the 9 month cling may have hit early with H this last week has been a nightmare. My poor dad has got the brunt of it today though, he can't even walk out the room without her crying and he feels so guilty he picks her up. She won't come to me or DP if he's there.

WL i'm glad your DD2 had a nice day well i'm glad you all had a nice day but hopefully you know what i meant.

Utopian your DH story about jumping on the bed made me laughgrin it sounds so cute. I love watching DP and H play.

Well our garden is finally done i never need to mow the lawn again now we have an artificial lawngrin

PurplePidjin Sun 08-Sep-13 22:38:08

We've got the christening next weekend too, utopian, but all I'm doing is putting ready-roll icing on mil's fruit cake hmm