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November 2012 - Teeth? Don't talk to us about teeth.

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StuntNun Fri 23-Aug-13 09:11:14
PurplePidjin Sat 24-Aug-13 01:11:54


GTbaby Sat 24-Aug-13 01:22:32

Anyone else has appointment for a development reviews? Wondering what they do? What questions to ask? What should he be able to do?

ValiumQueen Sat 24-Aug-13 01:50:43

No appointment yet. Do not worry at all. It is just a very basic check to make sure all is well and there is such a wide range of 'acceptable'. They will be mainly looking for signs of hearing or sight loss, and to make sure baby is responsive and trying to do things for himself. There will be something in your red book about the kinda things babies are likely to be doing. But they are all different and this has no impact on their future career opportunities.

ValiumQueen Sat 24-Aug-13 01:51:47

And again thank you Stunt for the new thread.

Pikz Sat 24-Aug-13 06:24:52


Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 24-Aug-13 07:13:37


ChasingDaisy Sat 24-Aug-13 07:48:39

GT we had one at 7 months. She checked his pincer grip, his responsiveness to me and whether he watched a ball as it was thrown behind him. Also, the normal weight and length. She declared him very advanced grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 24-Aug-13 07:52:40

We had an appointment sent through, but we moved, I need to phone them really but the stuff is in a box somewhere. Maybe I should just phone the children's centre on Monday. hmm

Donnadoon Sat 24-Aug-13 08:08:33

Morning all brew thanks stunt for Fred

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 09:01:08


Morning all!
Struggled to keep up with the Fred this week with being back at work and then shattered at bedtime. Will try my hardest to catch up.

Just had breakfast and M is spoon feeding herself more and more often now, she's getting quite good at it.

M was 9 months yesterday so I took her to get weighed as we haven't been since 6 months. She's just below the 50th percentile. Was looking at her curve and if she follows the same pattern she won't be 9kgs until at least 12 months so no need to worry about new car seats for a long while.

Also, I'd wanted to buy some new clothes for her but wasn't sure what to get. She's in 6-9 now but don't want her to grow out of them quickly. But the 9-12 look huge. I've had a look at the next size guide and I think it'll be a while before she's in 9-12. The weight says from 9.5, she's 8.1 and it's taken her 3 months to go from 7.1 to 8.1. confused

ChasingDaisy Sat 24-Aug-13 09:28:53

Wow fatima the spoon feeding is impressive!

Clothes wise, O is in 9-12 month trousers and 3-6 or 6-9 month tops. He is 91st centile for length and 25th for weight. He has inherited his mother's body shape - long legs with short torso.

ChasingDaisy Sat 24-Aug-13 10:05:59

sad that was really hard saying goodbye to Oscar just now. He doesn't give his dad a beaming smile like he used to and he was quite shy around him. He has only just woken from his nap and now he has been whisked away from his mummy.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sat 24-Aug-13 11:06:49

jj we have this pushchair from Argos. It's quite good. We use it just for holidays. It reclines quite flat and has a basket. The swivelly wheels are good but can also be locked too. My MIL will use it when she watches J and in fact my dad prefers this to our vista as he can work it!!

Sleep is atrocious here. J woke up every 1hr50 mins last night from going to bed at 10.30pm with one nice 23 min one as well! I'm sick of it!

He is doing well with food. A bit fussy and prefers fruit to veg which in trying to alter but to be honest he eats so I don't mind.

We go on holiday for a fortnight in a week so I will need to take food to last us due to the whole allergy info in Spanish! Was thinking maybe pouches as they would be easy to pack? Any recommendation? Dairy egg and nut free?! I Will just get the wheat flakes I've been buying for breakfast.

I've had a nightmare with my pram but found out yesterday I will be getting a replacement chassis which is a relief!

PennieLane Sat 24-Aug-13 11:09:35

hmm chasing

At the dev review, checked eyes/ears/weight etc and watched the babies playing together to look for responsiveness/large motor/minor motor skills. We got referred for a squint, most people got referred for something! There was a HV and paediatrician. It was quite fun.

HV said her motor skills were advanced. Shucks. Amazing seeing varieties of babies, I swear one LO was 2 yrs old with size/speaking/movement but just 10 months!

Home fromA&E at 3am. Suspected mild measles. Poor little scrap slept in my arms all night. So very very tired. Children's A&E is a sad place. There was a baby up for adoption who'd be turned away at the door and wanted to take him home hmm

Kyz Sat 24-Aug-13 11:12:29

Marking place

ValiumQueen Sat 24-Aug-13 11:27:30

Chasing, he sees his dad once a week yes? That is a long time for baby. It might be that you need to review contact. Tricky. I guess the test is how he gets on.

ValiumQueen Sat 24-Aug-13 11:36:19

Pennie measles? Yikes! I thought they had been given those jags? Poor little baby for adoption too. hmm

Chasing (((hug))) a week is a long time for a baby. See how he gets on. If he is finding it distressing you may need to review things.

ValiumQueen Sat 24-Aug-13 11:36:46

Oops. I thought the first post had not happened.

Lily311 Sat 24-Aug-13 11:53:12

Just marking place

ValiumQueen Sat 24-Aug-13 12:00:00

Maclarens all the way for lightweight pushchairs. The one we have can be pushed easily with one hand whilst restraining a nutty toddler with the other. It will soon be my only pram as I really must sell my beloved Mountain Buggy hmmhmmhmm

I will see if I can find a cheapish Maclaren. Ours was preloved for £35 with all the bits.

ValiumQueen Sat 24-Aug-13 12:05:07

Best price I can see for a maclaren volo is £69 from pramworld, but the cover etc is extra. It does not recline, and is pink, an extra £10 for the black. This is why I like preloved stuff smile

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 12:43:06

Measles jab is at 12 months. pennie I hope it passes quickly.

StuntNun Sat 24-Aug-13 13:01:09

At this age Chasing it's normal for babies to only want their mum, or whoever is their primary carer. It's one reason why it's easier to start your child at nursery at 6 months old rather than later. J will not go anywhere near his granny at the moment and he sees her at least once a week. It is just a phase and it will pass.

While we're talking about measles, I have been advised to have J's MMR given at a hospital as there is a higher risk of a reaction due to his egg allergy. I hope she recovers quickly Pennie, I had measles at 3 and it only lasted a few days but I'm sure the rash is itchy.

MsJupiterJones Sat 24-Aug-13 13:02:53

Well done PR.

There is a Volo on eBay due to finish in a few hours, currently at £10. Sure it will go up though, everything does when you're buying...

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 13:06:38

Thanks btw stunt for remembering I wanted to end the thread. smile

RoLoh Sat 24-Aug-13 13:22:02

Glad to catch the thread in it's early stages for once! I never make it to the end smile

L is super clingy and I can't wait for it to be over though I'm sure I'll miss the cuddles when she doesn't want them any more.

At our health visit we got a lecture about feeding lumpy fiord to work her jaw muscles! Tbh I still mostly spoon feed as I'm too tired to be bothered with the mess of finger foods.

Exciting developments with activities though as she's walking with help and climbed all the stairs unassisted today. (not quite as excited about that one! Must remember to shut the gate)

Sorry to those with sick babies. Hope they get better quickly x

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 24-Aug-13 13:59:03

Phew I can post now pr has finished the last thread.

E was weighed again yesterday and again is exactly the same weight. She's been 6.8kg for about 2 months now. She has started to take a bit more food and she was very sick for at least 2 days between the last weigh ins so we are giving it another 2 weeks tube free before another review. I think he's going to need to have put on at least a little weight next time otherwise I fear the ng tube will rear its ugly head again. Still no point in worrying about that now.

I was all primed to do a long post but E has just woken. DH is out tonight so I can mn then to my hearts content. Laterz quiche.

Oh and quick hand squeeze for chasing.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 14:12:54

It's spider season. They're all coming inside. <shudders>

Eliza I hope that you don't have to go back to the tube. Other than the weight non gain she is healthy?

Kirrin Sat 24-Aug-13 17:05:40

Measles pennie ? Hope she's feeling better soon.

Just been looking at the Volvo, thanks JJ and VQ - won't be buying a full price one but will keep an eye for a cheapy.

There was the biggest spider in the world on my kitchen wall last night but in the time it took me to get something to deal with it the Hoover it vanished shock Luckily I found it floating in the dogs' water bowl this morning.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 17:12:45

I hate it when they vanish shock

i found a squashed one in my garage earlier. I think I must have squashed it during the night when I went in to get a twix something from the fridge. Soooo glad I didn't see it alive it was a big one.

MissMummy1 Sat 24-Aug-13 17:33:40

Hope M is better soon pennie xxx

No spiders here (thank fuck) but the next worst thing in the form of long legs. Ick envy . Luckily Aulay dog seems to be quite good at catching them. envy envy

M has been awake since 4am shock - she better go down better tonight than she did last night (10.30ish after a long drive in the car..)

Lily311 Sat 24-Aug-13 18:15:09

Completely off topic but can I ask you to do me a favour? I really want a dishwasher but I think my kitchen cupboards are not standard size. Can you measure me the length, width and height of your cupboards and also your dishwasher? The height is the most important, I need to find a machine which is less than 82 cm(height). and the depth might be a problem too as I have some pipes going in the back so can't really be deeper than 57cm. The pages I'm looking at list the machines as 85cm high and 60 deep. Grrr.

ChasingDaisy Sat 24-Aug-13 18:44:56

Will update about 'date' later. All good. I just need to get my head around what I want and what is best and am feeling a bit jumbled at the moment.

On the topic of living alone, I think if it was just me I would actually enjoy it. But living alone as a parent is fucking hard and I don't actually think the two are comparable. Living with just Oscar I feel very trapped. I feel trapped by being a parent at the moment and regretting some of my life decisions, which I know is awful of me as each one has led me to having Oscar.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 18:46:18

lily mine would be too big -depth 70cm. I know it is possible to get quite narrow ones - almost every Parisian kitchen I have ever been in was tiny - galley kitchens - so they do make very compact ones. Having big kitchens and appliances is an anglo-saxon thing I think. There is a sub brand of Whirlpool called Laden, they do quite small ones.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 18:50:16

chasing it is very normal to momentarily regret decisions. Don't feel guilty. Yes it IS very different, which is why you need to build yourself a support network. We are a start, but your childrens' centre wil help, your local MN group even the local Netmums group? You are not alone, there are thousands of mums just like you, going through the same feelings, regrets and hopes.

TheDetective Sat 24-Aug-13 18:51:24

Chasing Yep, exactly. That is how I felt too. The two can't be compared. The responsibility and the loneliness can be overwhelming at times all the time.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 18:54:18

And yes, in a sense, you are trapped. But look at it as constrained. But even with a DP you would still have constraints as the result of having children, especially if you don't have babysitters on tap. It is much harder for you, but try to look on the positive sides. You are possibly constrained by a lovely bubbly baby, but you are not trapped in an unhappy relationship with an abusive arsehole.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 19:01:58

That sounded a bit harsh. It was not my intention.

TheDetective Sat 24-Aug-13 19:09:46

You would - but you would hopefully have a happy family life. A loving relationship, friendship and company. So you are happy for those constraints.

ChasingDaisy Sat 24-Aug-13 19:13:48

Yep detective I would happily be constrained in a relationship with the loving father of my child.

Lily311 Sat 24-Aug-13 19:19:24

I hate living alone. I'm good at it but I fucking hate it. I so wish to be with someone.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 19:21:02

Ideally yes, of course. But reality is a long way from ideal. And no-one is suggesting that what you've done is easy. It's not. It was a very hard decision that a lot, most?, of us woukdn't have had the balls to take. Settling in to your new life, new flat is your last major hurdle. You are very capable of it.

Passmethecrisps Sat 24-Aug-13 19:24:22

Evening beautiful ladies.

Lovely evening here in central haggis land after a dreich day. Family passme have had a fairly chillaxed day popping out for a curry lunch then a wander round town before back home. Now sitting at the kitchen table with ageing pussy on my knee and a glass of red. P was shattered so went down earlier than usual. Fingers crossed she stays that way.

Lots to comment on as usual and I know I will miss something and feel like an arse later.

I really hope that wee E puts some weight on eliza. It would be pretty demoralising I imaging to go back to the tube after things seemed to be going so well.

Measles is a bastard thing pennie. Have our babies not been immunised? I thought they had. Glad the wee one is on the mend though.

Hi roloh! I love it when people pop back to say hello. Nice to see you and it sounds like you are being kept busy!

How's the weekend going pr? Is Dd1 any more mellow?

I have sore ears. Ouch.

Ah chasing. I can't wait to hear about your date but I am not at all surprised to hear that you feel like you have a head filled with mince. I also completely sympathise with the feeling of being trapped. Even with a DH I was genuinely starting to doubt my wellness in the last month or so of mat leave. We have no good friends to really speak of here and our families are a long way away. Any time alone means one at a time and time alone together is a long way off. I can only imagine how much more isolating your situation must feel. I second that, when you are ready, you should basically throw yourself to the mercy of the HV and get yourself to every group and support network that you can. It doesn't matter if you don't really like the activity or whatever but getting out the house every single day will make getting up feel less bleak. Please please take advantage of the offer of Pm's or similar just for a blether.

TheDetective Sat 24-Aug-13 19:24:40

And you will be Lily. smile

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 19:25:13

I think with a baby it must be hard. That baby will become an interactive communicative toddler. Who will then have school friends and their parents. And very soon you'll be aibu'ing about the worst ever childrens' parties (v entertaining reading on aibu right now!)

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 19:27:15

No friends or family here too pass. A blessing and a curse.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 19:29:04

And get yourselves landlines. I get unlimited free calls to both Hungary and the UK. And am almost always awake. Well, Two nights of three.

PurplePidjin Sat 24-Aug-13 19:29:11


Passmethecrisps Sat 24-Aug-13 19:34:35

Oh I hear ya, PR! Lovely to have them visit. For a wee while grin

lily you have such guts. I actually find myself getting ragey at how unfair life has been to you and O.

ChasingDaisy Sat 24-Aug-13 19:42:47

I chat with lily and detective in the evenings which really helps. I think I am starting to feel a bit like izzy did with all the talk of good sleeping and eating, but for me it is family life. I am going to go to bed soon in the hope that I feel less muddled in the morning.

ValiumQueen Sat 24-Aug-13 20:02:27

Chasing perhaps if you looked at it from the angle of being needed rather than trapped? I guess it amounts to the same thing though really.

J has had a better day and even self settled in his cot for his nap which is amazing. His skin is the clearest it has ever been. I have never cut out soy before. Could it be helping? please God it is!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 20:06:22

Fingers crossed vq

Shitty day today.

Night quiche.

Passmethecrisps Sat 24-Aug-13 20:07:06

Night night PR.

MsJupiterJones Sat 24-Aug-13 20:15:45

I am just reading that party thread too. Awful!

Does anyone else worry that their baby won't have friends at nursery or school or am I just crazy & have read too much MN? My mum sent a picture from a playgroup on Fri and L was sitting on his own while some toddlers were together at the edge of the shot. It was only a snapshot and I'm sure he was fine but it tugged on my heartstrings. The idea of him being rejected, bullied or excluded makes me feel sick.

Well after our first good night in ages, L has had the grumpiest day ever. Screamed and screamed and grizzled and then screamed again. Wouldn't let me leave him for a second, didn't nap, got tireder and grumpier all day. Doesn't help that he is trying to stand and having lots of little bumps. DH is away for the weekend & I've never appreciated him more (I'm not even going to compare it to those who have absent or unhelpful DPs but honestly, nuff respec - that goes without saying). I rarely lose patience but I was slightly frayed today. Need to clear up the massive mess in the kitchen but feel like just falling asleep on the sofa!

ChasingDaisy Sat 24-Aug-13 20:19:36

Yep, being needed is causing the feeling trapped. I think today I just got a glimpse of what life could have been like for me and what I am now missing out on. I am feeling very bitter and sorry for myself.

MsJupiterJones Sat 24-Aug-13 20:25:48

Sometimes when nice things happen they do make us sad for that very reason Chasing. It is fair enough to feel sad and bitter about the shit you have been put through. You don't have to put on a brave face or look on the bright side all the time and not with the quiche. Keep chatting to Lily & Det and the rest of us xx

Passmethecrisps Sat 24-Aug-13 20:26:07

Let yourself feel it chasing. You are entitled to feel bitter and angry. You are a very beautiful, bright young woman who has been emotionally and physically trodden on.

However, you have balls of steel even if you can't let yourself believe that yet. You are building the foundations of a wonderful life which will again contain flirting and dating and drunken shagging and tender moments and happy times.

It will just take time. You deserve to feel fucking angry - you were wronged.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 24-Aug-13 20:38:50

Hugs chasing I can empathise with the regrets thing as I often feel so regretful and a stupid weak fool for marrying my ex H but I have my wonderful daughters. I don't know if I will ever move on from that contradiction in my head, especially on low days when I miss my girls.

I am sure you will settle to your new life, I realise how hard it is with no family and friends as this was my life when I had DS1 and slowly I go there, I am an introvert with extrovert tendencies so by the time I left last week, 3 years in, I had some good friends. This time I have family here and no friends. I am going to take it slowly and make sure the ones I make are the right ones. I have you lot, I is ok.

Feeling a it worn out.


Kyz Sat 24-Aug-13 20:48:00

Right. Fred.

No appointment yet, no idea what is asked either

Wow fatima that's impressive re the spoon feeding. E on the odd occasion manages to get the spoon end in his trap, but that is purely chance I reckon.

izzy e wouldn't touch veg at first but loves it now, j is doing fantastically smile

Bless pennie hope lo is better soon

Hey roloh nice to hear from you

eliza I really hope she gains a little before the next review! It would be lovely for her to not need the tube. Got everything crossed!

I would be rubbish at living alone, I think some of you are really very strong for coping in situations I know I could not. Big hugs. I couldn't imagine it being just me and e, god knows I love him more than anything in the world but I would just be so lonely.

chasing I'm not a patch on those lovely ladies but am about some evenings if you ever fancy an extra body to chat at

That's brill vq here's hoping you've found the culprit!

Night pr, hugs

jj I have similar fears but e doesn't go to nursery yet and school is further away. I am sure l has plenty of friends, and its good he can amuse himself smile sounds like a difficult day for you today, I hope you have a good night tonight to make up for it a little bit

chasing you're young and lovely and you can only go up from here smile you are amazeballs methinks

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 24-Aug-13 20:48:50

Well I now have 2 sleeping babies, the tv to myself (catching up on Britian and Irelands next top model, my guilty secret, well that and 90210. I have a lot of crap on my sky planner) and the lap on so ready for a girlie evening, minus any other girls apart from you!

E is totally fine apart from not putting on weight. She isn't dehydrated, is pooing reguarly with plenty of wet nappies, drinks water out of a tommee tippee cup now which is also farily new, eats purees well and enjoys finger foods but tends to spit/sick up lumps, sleeps well and is happy apart from when DD1 throws her about and teething issues. And a strange thing is happening, she has started drinking from a bottle. Can't remember if I mentioned this in a previous post so won't witter on too much about that. She drinks milk fine from a cup in the morning so won't change that. Prob has 6/8ozs inc what she has on her brekkie. Then after lunch she won't take milk from a cup but appears she will from a bottle. About 4ozs this time. And then after dinner again cup is hit and miss so sometimes she has a bottle. Last night she had 40zs but when I went to check on her before I went to bed she had been sick, coffee granual type sick again. So tonight the most she took after dinner was 2ozs so will see what happens sickness wise tonight. I'm so confused, I can't just work her out. Oh and to add she has a bf first thing in the morning and last thing at night. Sometimes during the day but more often than not refeuse. I don't know whether to persist with the bottle or stop as it appears perhaps that is causing the sickness. I tried adding gaviscon to the bedtime bottle the other day but that came straight back up. I need to start writing down exactly what she has to ea t, when and in what form. Plus her meds. Sometimes she spits the ranitidine out so not sure how much she takes must get the spoon that stunt mentioned. The consultant said to reduce the ranitidine but I don't think she is ready. She seems to hiccup lots more than she used to and burps. Never did this when she was ng tube fed but she did before it went in. I don't expect any of you to have any miracle cues but it helps to write it all down. Perhaps I need to get her referred back to the consultant. We haven't been signed off, next seeing him in november but I expect I could get him to see her earlier if I cry lots! As the dietician doesn't seem worried about her health should I try and just get through the next 2 weeks as it is such a huge learning curve for the both of us and if I write everything little thing down perhaps we'll figure out a pattern/issue? Ah sorry, this has become a massive post about me. Wasn't supposed to be. Just not really had the time to post my issues lately and it seems I have a phew smile

pennie so sorry to hear about your troubles. Glad you are back home safely with lo.

chasing I hope you sleep well and are brighter in the morning.

Ah schuks, taken me so long to write this everyone is going to bed! Night pr

pass love the sound of your evening. Enjoy x

I think I have conjunctivities and am feeling quite hot and then cold. DH playing golf tomorrow and spent this afternoon with the inlaws so would feel bad about calling on them tomorrow. Hope a good sleep sorts me out. Think I have been burning the candle at both ends so totally my own fault. Got some quiet time coming up before a week in Derbyshire horsey terriority if I remember correctly. DH will be with us for that break so I should get some time to myself.

Think I have chewed your eyes off enough for now. Will go back and catch up with missed bits of the thread properly.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 24-Aug-13 20:49:08

jj i know what you mean. I think it is natural to just want them to be happy.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 24-Aug-13 20:54:43

kyz I knew I'd cross posts with you waves

On the subject of the 8 month check I was a bit worried about E as she seems to do very little, however they checked her pincer grip by putting a smartie on a table to make sure she could pick it up and then swiftly removed it before she stuffed it in her mouth, gave her a break in her left hand to see if she swapped it to the other hand which she did, asked if she sits unadied which is yes, asked if she moved which was a big fat nope and then weighed her and took her length and head circumfrance. Oh and gave her a couple of free books one of which we already had from DD1's review but beggers can't be choosers. So nothing taxing or to worry about.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 21:03:53

What do they say about the coffee granules vomit eliza ?

BigPigLittlePig Sat 24-Aug-13 21:17:20

Evening all.

Lovely day today, roaming through the woods near my house - found a lovely lily-pad covered lake pond, ate picked lots of blackberries and had Chinese for tea. Now struggling to breath as have eaten too much.

Chasing <<hugs>> Could it be that the emotions/regret is the anger part of the grieving process? I know dh feels very angry/upset at times that he "wasted" so many years with his evil ex, and got himself embroiled in debt, trashed his credit rating, etc - but he has A out of it all, so of course it is worth it. As time passes, I hope you can come to some kind of peace with it all. I hope this comes across ok, and isn't offensive/patronising/whatever.

Pennie hope LO is ok, very sad about the baby for adoption sad

Izzy have a belated brew

Eliza I will have my fingers crossed that Es weight is ok in a fortnight - I suppose it is good she hasn't lost any. I still haven't weighed F for a few months - I should, as we're sort of guessing at the ranitidine dose. Another hiccupy baby here too, so think her dose needs to go up.

I haven't seen/heard from our HV since F was 4 months old. I had no idea they're supposed to have some kind of check!? Ah well, F seems fine. She can reverse crawl now [smug emoticon] - managed to get herself stuck under the coffee table earlier, silly moo. She is so scrumptious. On the subject of clothes - she is still in 3-6 months on the whole, with one 6-9 romper suit. And todays cardigan was a 0-3 month one...still cannot work out this sizing lark.

Early start tomorrow to do a car boot sale - loads of kids clothes (3 yrs worth of dsds stuff), toys, games etc, so am hoping to make a tidy bob....

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 24-Aug-13 21:18:33

Bloody nothing stunt First time she did it I went straight to a&e (with the muslin cloth that she vommed all over) and saw a peadiatrician who said couldn't see anything wrong with her and was just one of those things! Then when I mentioned it again when we were in hospital they said it's prob to do with acid in the vomit but as she didn't do it whilst we were there they couldn't confirm. I haven't washed the sheet that she did it last night on yet (have changed the bedding I hasten to add!) so perhaps I'll keep that as evidence.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 24-Aug-13 21:19:35

Oh sorry, that was to pr. I thought you'd gone to bed!

MsJupiterJones Sat 24-Aug-13 21:20:41

Eliza I'm glad E is doing well and had a good check, but I'm sorry to hear that she hasn't put on weight and it is quite worrying about the coffee grounds vomit. I hope very much that she doesn't need the tube again. It does sound like with the hiccups and so on that she is having some trouble with digestion. Coffee grounds vomit can suggest an ulcer I believe? Poor thing, she has been through enough and so have you.

Glad you are enjoying your tv fest though!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 24-Aug-13 21:29:51

I ask because coffee grounds vom is often digested blood. From an ulcer as jj says but I guess it could also be from some cut made by the tube? Without panicking (because it's not new blood) I would ask again next time you see a doctor. If it were urgent I think it would be red blood, not coffee ground stuff. But am only going on what the doctors told me about ulcers etc. I think to be sure they'd have to go look with a gastroscopy but obviously with a baby they might be hesitant. I wouldn't panic but would definitely flag it up with whichever hcp you see next.

I did go to bed. But got up again. Going to try again soon.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 24-Aug-13 21:32:31

True "coffee ground" vomit = partially digested/old blood. From ulcers, gastritis (or inflammation), small tears, trauma. Dark brown vomit can just be from gastric stasis, or reflux of bile back into the stomach.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 24-Aug-13 21:33:08

Caveat: that's in adults. Although I suspect kids are not that different on that particular front.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 24-Aug-13 21:52:15

Thank you ladies. Now I'm not sure if it's coffee ground vomit or just dark brown. Its defo one of those. I will keep the sheet (or subsequent fresher ones if she does it again) and flag it up at the next check. It's certainly not fresh blood, I would major panic if that happened. It did once when she was a couple of days old, luckily the midwife was due that hour so no long term panicking required. Thank goodness E isn't my first as I would be beside myself. I take my hats off to all the mummies going through reflux and any other illness/condition and worry. What these babies put us through eh. Luckily they are all so scrummy grin.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 24-Aug-13 21:54:44

Coffee grounds, you can literally see black grains as though you've emptied a cafetiere. Anything else is just dark vomit.

Apologies if anyone is eating whilst reading this I am but have the stomach of an ox after 9 yrs in the NHS

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 24-Aug-13 22:03:48

Thanks bplp Will get sheet and study it. Yet again this quiche rocks. Your knowledge astounds me every time.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 24-Aug-13 22:06:03

If someone had said to me, pre-motherhood, that I would study, really quite closely, nappy contents/vom/other unidentified substances, I wouldn't have believed them. Now it is a near daily occurence grin

Passmethecrisps Sat 24-Aug-13 22:12:10

I am always trying to engage my GP in poo chat but he screws his nose up. Silly man!

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 24-Aug-13 22:18:36

I know what you mean bplp I would have thought it would turn my stomach but it doesn't. DH on the other hand nearly vomms himself whenever E is sick. He can't handle it.

It's hard to tell from the sheet as she rolled about in it before I saw it but from looking at it I can't see any lumps, apart from a couple of orange bits that are obviously carrots. And no more sick so far tonight so that's good.

Now all I need is my eye to stop oozing gunk!

<<feels guilty for hogging thread so goes off to check out the shananigans in aibu>>.

ValiumQueen Sat 24-Aug-13 22:19:50

There is always carrots. Night night all x

Kirrin Sat 24-Aug-13 22:36:08

((hugs)) to chase and lily I cannot imagine how hard it is being on your own. But you will not always be alone, and in the meantime you need to build up a support network of friends. There are some great people out there, who will help you when you need it, babysit, support, pour the wine and commiserate when you need it. You just need to get out there and find them.

Hope your eye stops oozing soon Eliza

I am off to bed too - night all

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 24-Aug-13 22:42:50

Haha vq never a truer word said.

Night all x

TheDetective Sat 24-Aug-13 22:49:10

Can anyone help me?

Please have a look at my thread. It might not make sense! But help! Fucking jobcentre have started paying ESA in my sodding bank account! Fuminggggggggggggg! angry

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sun 25-Aug-13 00:14:12

Hello new thread. Am so busy not had time to catch up properly yet but will try and keep up with this one.

Bryzoan Sun 25-Aug-13 00:59:16

Hi all,

Sorry about the lack of weight gain Eliza. I really sympathise. Dd only had her ng tube in a month but it was hard for both of us to adapt when it came out. I hated having to measure everything and she vommed loads more than with the tube too. Must be so so hard for you both after all that time. Hope you get the coffee grounds resolved. If it happens again maybe see if you can get a good photo?

Hugs to the loneliness and trapped feeling chasing. I think it will be hard but get gradually less so. And the fact that you had a taste today of what life could be like means perhaps it can be somtimes? And I think you will meet the right man in the end - please choose bloody carefully though! Would it work for exP (if you trust him enough) to have a little more contact with o to both help with familiarity and give him a break? Or could your dad commit to having him an evening a week for you to do something non baby? Big hugs - you are doing so well. Definitely use sure start and as many groups as you can.

Jj - I worry about things like that all the time too. Being a parent is so worrying sometimes it is ridiculous...

Bryzoan Sun 25-Aug-13 01:00:52

Det sorry - looked at your thread but haven't a clue...

Bryzoan Sun 25-Aug-13 01:02:34

Oh and Eliza - your eye... Try cleaning it with your breast milk if you can face it. Works wonders.

LuisGarcia Sun 25-Aug-13 02:21:10

Hi everyone.

Really sorry that this is a driveby post, but I need to say a couple of things.

First, we're grand, thanks. MrsG is back at work, so I barely have time to eat let alone internet. L and J are sleeping better. Sometimes. They are an absolute joy to be around, though (in daylight hours).

Secondly, well, this is the hard one to get across properly. You have all been awesome for me in a time of need, but mumsnet as a whole hasn't. You were all brilliant about accepting me as an equal parent.

Thirdly, chasing I still lurk. I'm so glad you're a proper functional family of 2. You are brilliant.

Pikz Sun 25-Aug-13 03:58:50

< runs across to the IOW to give Luis a massive squidgey hug and one for Mrs G and L and J >

Can anyone explain what the fuck has happened to Ls sleep please? How come he is now waking crying 2/3 times a night after sleeping through for so long?

Pikz Sun 25-Aug-13 04:00:45

^ runs across to the IOW to give Luis a massive squidgey hug and one for Mrs G and L and J ^

Bryzoan Sun 25-Aug-13 05:20:49

Luis it is wonderful to hear from you. Hugs and very best wishes to you, mrsg, j and l.

You have been brilliant to us too, more is the point. Sorry to hear the rest of mn has missed out o your friendship. I guess we were a bit prickly too when you first rocked up - sometimes it is hard for people to let go of preconceptions. No excuse for sexism though. Parents have a tough enough time as it is without isolating eachother / making eachother feel bad. Doesn't seem to stop it happening sadly. Sometimes I think people seem to need to get prickly to validate their own world view / decisions. I love how this quiche doesn't do that.

Anyway - if that was a goodbye post, I'm sorry. You've been a great friend to many in the quiche in our hours of need and we miss our dad. We will always be pleased to see you as and when you pop back in. Lovely to hear all is well for you all though. I just hope you are looking after those knees.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 25-Aug-13 08:09:49

Good to hear from you Luis I'm sorry you've had a bad experience. This thread or on FB will always be a place you are welcomed with open arms.

ValiumQueen Sun 25-Aug-13 09:26:15

Luis you will always be our Daddy, and you will always be welcome here. Would a name change help? I am sure we would soon realise who you are (((hug)))

ValiumQueen Sun 25-Aug-13 09:29:12

Pikz the dreaded 9 month sleep regression?

J slept until 7. He is a star. He is also 10 months old today.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 25-Aug-13 10:31:20

Sorry you've had a bad experience luis the rest of mn can be pretty harsh. I only post in this bit really. Hope you at least check in with us time to time. And it's lovely to read things are going well for you, hope the nights get better soon.

Thanks bry eye is still gunky and bearly open now. I think it's conjunctivitis. Just hope neither of my girls get it. Am using separate towels etc. perhaps I'll give the bm a go (squims).

ValiumQueen Sun 25-Aug-13 10:41:19

Detective I looked at your thread. Ask your union is my only thought. It is baffling.

ChasingDaisy Sun 25-Aug-13 11:17:42

Luis we miss you.

Oscar has started eating solids again today thankfully. He came yesterday with tooth number 3 having popped through so that explains it.

ValiumQueen Sun 25-Aug-13 12:22:15

J seems to have 2 more teeth actually through today, bring the count to 9. I guess I should be pleased most of the teething trauma is over for us. And relieved I am no longer bfing him. He has a daft number of teeth for one so young. The girls did not have this many until almost 2 IIRC.

TheDetective Sun 25-Aug-13 13:25:27

Oh ffs! Sat here in some stupid poolside dress type thing. Not planning on getting dressed, doing my hair or anything when DP announces he has invited his mum over.

I want one fecking day to slob around ffs! None of us are dressed and the house is a mess.

Great. Fucking men. hmm

StuntNun Sun 25-Aug-13 13:58:24

Eliza the breastmilk will help with the conjunctivitis or you can get chloramphenicol eye drops over the counter.

I have to spend my Sunday tidying up too Detective. confused DH has taken DS1 and DS2 out leaving me in an awful tip. It's not even that I mind so much but there's nowhere to put James down to play that isn't covered in debris, coins, plectrums and wires. It really isn't fair for him to have no space of his own apart from his cot. I have tidied and vacuumed the living room but I have to spend all my time keeping him away from the fireplace, TV, Xbox and everything. But if we're moving in four weeks there isn't much point babyproofing now.

PurplePidjin Sun 25-Aug-13 14:10:16

Stunt why don't you start on the packing? <whistles innocently>

ValiumQueen Sun 25-Aug-13 14:43:30

I am making chicken broth smile I am using the bones from the roast dinner DH made this morning (it was ok, just a bit anaemic and done the SW way) J has been asleep for 3 hours shock

ValiumQueen Sun 25-Aug-13 14:47:04

Although I likely need to throw it all away as I should have soaked the sodding broth mix overnight and boiled for 10 minutes and skimmed etc. fuck grin any thoughts on how to rescue it?

ValiumQueen Sun 25-Aug-13 15:00:12

Well, having looked on the net, the broth mix contains nothing with toxins in that require soaking, it is just done to speed up cooking. I plan to cook it to death anyway. Good.

PurplePidjin Sun 25-Aug-13 15:13:14

Just keep boiling wink

R and i went swimming this morning, dp is roasting a chicken for tea. Grampa's apples off the tree in the garden are a new favourite food, peeled and sliced. Chosen over breadsticks no less!

I think his sleep issues are related to his dislike of wet nappies. Am going to experiment with different types of boosters - probably microfibre next to his skin under the fleece liner, then either a Holdens Landing or Bamboozle (the recent good night was mf and Bamboozle) and his longies over the top. Cloth users, any ideas?

StuntNun Sun 25-Aug-13 15:22:26

No chance of packing Pidj as I still have J and he is very unsettled at the moment, we've been on wall-to-wall Calpol for the last 24 hours. I'm thinking a top tooth may be about to make an appearance as he's off his oats as well poor thing.

What is a SW roast chicken VQ?

TheDetective Sun 25-Aug-13 15:59:04

I liked a SW roast dinner grin. I will never ever ever use proper oil for my roast potatoes again! I love them done in frylight! confused They are so crispy and perfect! Nom nom!

MIL is now on her way over, mad dash around the house, and everyone has had pants thrown at them grin.

Okay. I know this may be totally tempting fate, but I think O is finally sleeping through the night. Properly. I have not given him a night feed for a month. DP has twice, but the last one was 3 weeks ago. It has all coincided with reducing his milk down to 3 bottles. confused He doesn't even need the bottle when he wakes. I am toying with dropping that one and just doing breakfast now. I don't know though, as I thought morning and night was the 'correct' timings for the milk feeds?

Anyway, we still have some unsettledness going on in the cot with him tossing and turning. But intervention from me and DP is much much less, and is usually reserved to the time before we have actually gone to bed.

Also, we are no longer getting the 5am starts, because he isn't waking for that feed then being unable to go back down. He wakes after 7 now. Today was 7.30, so was yesterday.

I did threaten him though, as I am going back to work in 3 weeks. grin He better not have a sodding regression after this!!!

I don't want to rub anyone's faces in it blush. I am well aware others are having shit nights still. I just wanted to offer some hope that eventually, they will fucking sleep! I wish I could see in to his mind and work out exactly what the reasons for the sleep are! I would like to share them!

On pondering further - several things came together at once. The mornings got darker, the 4th bottle was dropped, we got a blackout blind, although it is shit, and I didn't think it had ANY effect although perhaps it was enough to make a little difference?? Also lunch was given more reliably.

Or maybe he is just wearing the fuck out of himself with his boundless energy?

Fuck knows.

TheDetective Sun 25-Aug-13 16:07:40

And the extra hot weather fucked off too. It is just humid now as opposed to roasting. hmm

Ooooh, I did have a quiche question! Clothes! And what are your babies wearing?!

The weather here is cloudy but it is consistently warm. Even when raining. hmm I would say outside varies 20-25 degrees.

O hasn't worn a vest under his clothes all summer. He hasn't worn a cardi or jacket all summer either.

At night he is wearing a vest and a 1 tog sleeping bag. He likes to be very warm at night though. Occasionally he wears a babygrow if it has dropped below 24 in his room twice then!.

In the day in the house he is either wearing just a nappy, or a vest, occasionally a babygrow.

When we go out he is wearing either shorts/tshirt/short romper, no vest. Or jeans/dungarees/leggings with a short or long sleeved tshirt.

Yesterday we went out and he was wearing chinos, with a short sleeved tshirt.

I was wearing a summer dress, and DS1 in shorts and tshirt. It was about 20ish degrees. We were all warm. O was sweating when I took him out his car seat.

Yet when I was looking around at everyone else, people were generally in 'autumn' wear. People wearing jackets, trousers, long sleeves, etc. We probably looked like a bunch of knobbers, but we were very clammy and warm.

Is it just us? O sweats terribly. So do I. DP sweats the worst though grin. DS1 doesn't sweat, but always moans he is hot. So, in the last couple of days, what have your babies worn?!

Lily311 Sun 25-Aug-13 16:17:51

* pidj* o had bamboo and microfibre booster but the bed was soaking wet every night, we are in aldi disposable during the night now. Not much help, sorry.

ChasingDaisy Sun 25-Aug-13 16:25:58

Det O wears a vest, trousers and t-shirt usually at the moment. Shorts if it is extra warm and long sleeved t-shirt if a bit more chilly. At night he is in a long sleeved vest, short sleeved if hot and 2.5 tog sleeping bag as I don't have any 1 tog ones.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 25-Aug-13 16:28:18

Det - today - babygro (lazy day) and cardigan. Yesterday - tights, cord dress and cardigan; day before - long sleeved vest and dungarees. But F is a cold baby - still in babygrow and 2.5 tog bag at night.

F just drank 10 oz of milk in one go. This is UNHEARD of shock. Such a little piggy.

Will catch up properly later - hope nice days are being had by all xx

PurplePidjin Sun 25-Aug-13 16:29:29

He's not out-weeing them, that's the thing Lily the nappy is wet but not the bed in the morning. Wool is fab for that. So it must be the sensation inside iyswim?

R is generally in vest or tee shirt + jeans/jersey trousers/dungarees. I avoid babygrows due to the fatal combination of cruising and parquet!

PurplePidjin Sun 25-Aug-13 16:32:03

In other news, I'm finally getting on with my crochet. They might just be finished before he grows again!

Lily311 Sun 25-Aug-13 17:48:52

O has been wearing a vest and shorts only though it's still around 30 degrees here. She slept in 0.5 tog sleeping bag with nappy on but yesterday I put a vest on her as it really cools down during the night. She has some gap pjs, I can't wait to start using them.

PurplePidjin Sun 25-Aug-13 20:33:58



I take it I'm the only sad fucker here, tucked up in bed with CSI and wine

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 25-Aug-13 20:35:39

Grr teeth.

O has been wearing this week, a vest, a pair of trousers, socks, a t shirt, a cardi or hoody. That is in NI. In Berkshire he was in shorts and a T. Vest only at bedtime. Here he is in vest, b Gro and sleep bag at bedtime.

Ikea today. Crazy. We decided to get the wardrobe interior stuff for our wardrobes. Great idea, but when it comes down to it is complicated and confusing when you are doing 4 wardrobes. And you have to kids with you.

Anyway is over now and I won the last two purple cushions in the store!

Ad we are still smiling.


Have also just seen the major value in Pyrex dishes with glass lids. We ate outside, managing to save food from flies, then leftovers straight in frigde, defo a bonus when you are extra to a field of cows.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 25-Aug-13 20:39:05

<climbs in all cosy with pp have own wine >

Donnadoon Sun 25-Aug-13 20:43:03

I'm here , I'm waiting for some new programme to start at 9 pm on BBC1

BigPigLittlePig Sun 25-Aug-13 20:46:21

<flops onto bed with sophia and pidj with a big fat crumble-filled belly>

PurplePidjin Sun 25-Aug-13 20:59:57

<kicks dp out to the sofa and budges up>

BigPigLittlePig Sun 25-Aug-13 21:04:09

<good job as need extra space for the spare crumble --not that there's much-->

PS. dh only heard the rhyme "there were 3 in the bed and the little one said" a few weeks ago - he has gone 28 years without knowing this song. Am I the only one who finds this strange? That song was a staple part of my Saturday morning in bed with mum & dad grin

ValiumQueen Sun 25-Aug-13 21:11:22

PP I fashioned larger fleece liners for my bamboo nappies so they were nappy shaped and wrapped around the waist too as I think a damp waist must be horrid. I think if you go baby, fleece, microfibre, bamboo and bamboo booster/s, and wool. If that does not work, sposies!

J has been wearing a T shirt and leggins, with a cardi if out, at night he is in a vest with a 1 tog sleeping bag and a blanket tucked in, a cellular cotton one. It is what the little love likes.

He has had the best day ever. Slept all night, woke happy, 3 hour nap at lunchtime, eaten small amounts, but no discomfort noted at all with solids, and his skin is clear. If only it were like this more often. He is still awake though, but he is happy with it smile

The broth is cooked, and pretty vile tbh grin I know better, I really do!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 25-Aug-13 21:18:04

What boy legging have you vq ?

TheDetective Sun 25-Aug-13 21:22:46

I'm here! Wasn't too bad having MIL here! I do like her! I just didn't want to put a bra on or brush my hair!! Lazy cow!

So after the first step 2 days ago, we had 3 little steps twice tonight. MIL was encouraging him <wibble>. He doesn't need any fecking encouragement!

Think MIL is feeling a bit overwhelmed with O's dietary requirements! She keeps asking questions! I've told her not to worry, I will always make sure he has everything he could possibly need when he goes! And a list of emergency 'can have' foods if she is desperate grin.

Tonight O had 2 rich tea fingers. Scoffed them both. I think he liked them grin.

Currently watching Fall Out Boy playing at Reading (on the telly!) and reminiscing about my crush on Pete Wentz grin. I so want to see FOB live one day... ahhhhhh.

TheDetective Sun 25-Aug-13 21:23:28

I think it is possible I have the sweatiest baby in the quiche! What an accolade O!

BigPigLittlePig Sun 25-Aug-13 21:29:32

Fs head, in the car seat, on a hot day, would possibly rival O det grin

McVities squashed fly biscuits fruit shorties, which are dairy/soy free, are met with mooing sounds by F, a vair big hit.

I don't know how you reusable-nappy-mummies get your head round all this bamboo, fleece shizzle. I read what you write, and sort of nod sagely, whilst aware that I have no clue what you are talking about grin

Det has MIL agreed to baby proof her pad a little bit yet?

PurplePidjin Sun 25-Aug-13 21:31:43

Fuck off VQ angry


Hmm, i have a fleece lined WN that he wore this afternoon - and finally napped in - so might try that. Then sell the entire stash to fund more. It's always the bloody expensive ones isn't it! Although Holdens Landing customs (given by a friend who doesn't need them apparently) weren't great either, but that was minus the fast-absorbing mf...

PurplePidjin Sun 25-Aug-13 21:34:54

BP i see you sposie-users talking about 4 and 4+ and leaks and ponder bemusedly grin

I couldn't use sposies if i wanted to. No dosh. Although TC appear to have dropped 2k into the account, i need to check against the figures they sent through for arrears they owe hmm

Kyz Sun 25-Aug-13 21:35:48

Evening all smile couple of pages to catch up on, here I go!

eliza I think writing it down is a sensible idea and its really encouraging that e is fine bar the weight gain smile I hope writing it down does help and you see a pattern. Hope the conjunctivitis fucks off soon too

Looked at your Fred too det and no idea either sorry

Hey luis we all miss you, lovely to hear from you smile hope you still pop in from time to time! I reckon j has the gummy quiche babies shares in teeth as well as his own grin he has lots!

Happy 10 months day to j vq! Well done too on the snooze

Regression pikz?

Sounds like o is sleeping really well det! I thought the morning and evening bottles were the ones to stick with too but I guess with all other aspects there's no hard and fast rules so if o wants rid of the morning one first maybe it's ok to go with that? I am still unsure of dropping e to two bottles though I think he will manage. Today he ate a sandwich and a yoghurt for lunch and only had 2oz of his bottle but the sandwich was cheese, and was two slices of a normal loaf of bread bar crusts and he ate the lot. I am not sure if this is 'enough' to not need the milk though ??

Weather wise it's about the same here det and e wears a baby grow and a 1 tog bag. He doesn't fit in any of his long sleeved vests anymore I need to get new ones, but would probably be ok in one of those. He likes to be warm in bed though. Daytime wise he hasn't worn a vest for yonks and is usually in shorts/t shirt or trousers/t shirt and socks. I barely ever put shoes on him and he hasn't worn a jacket in ages now.

Good luck with the crochet pp smile

Sounds like good times sophia hurray for the last cushions!

E loves rich tea too det can o have ginger biscuits? E loves them and recommends them if so!

Is there room in this big ass bed for me?

In dietary news I have managed to drink 500ml water daily for a while now. Starting small but a massive achievement for me lol!

TheDetective Sun 25-Aug-13 21:44:20

I think so BP she seems to have taken stuff on board. We can only give it a try, and if it doesn't work, she either baby Oscar proofs a bit more, or he goes to a CM!

TheDetective Sun 25-Aug-13 21:45:30

Kyz I haven't looked at ginger biscuits, or many biscuits tbh! I will have a nosy next time I go shopping and see what he could have! I am keeping to soya traces, so it opens up a lot more which he could have. Thank goodness.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 25-Aug-13 21:47:32

Oh thanks for reminding me kyz - I was going to say to det re: the bottles - F hasn't had a breakfast bottle for at least 6 weeks now. She has a big breakfast, and water, then has a big milk drink mid-morning. Very very occasionally she'll shout for milk but even then, she'll only have 2 or 3 ozs. So I think if O isn't fussed on that bottle, it's not the end of the world. He'll get what he needs in his own way.

TheDetective Sun 25-Aug-13 21:57:01

That's good to know BP! I think it would be easier for us to be able to drop the morning bottle to be honest. As when I am back at work, it will make things easier in the morning.

He has a 1 weetabix with 4oz milk plus a full fruit pot in it for breakfast. It's quite a substantial breakfast really.

I might try that tomorrow. Breakfast when he gets up. Then after his morning nap offer a bottle. Which would be around 11-12ish. He could have a later lunch though. Then skip the afternoon bottle.

To be honest, the only one he really wants is the bedtime one.

Just talked it through with DP now..! We are going to try this: Giving him half his bottle in his breakfast instead of the Oatly, then the other half in his sippy cup so he has it as a drink with his breakfast. That way he is still getting the same amount but less in a bottle as such.

That could work well. I tried his milk in his sippy cup today, he took about an ounce before getting a strop on for the bottle hmm. Will keep encouraging the sippy cup with breakfast then maybe.

Pikz Sun 25-Aug-13 21:58:46

BP L is exactly the same with breakfast milk now too.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 25-Aug-13 22:04:53

Det we have b'fast at 7. Bottle at 9.30/10, snack 11ish, lunch 1, bottle 3.30, tea 5.30, bottle 6.30.

Pidj grin glad to know I'm not the only one who's routinely baffled lol.

Kirrin Sun 25-Aug-13 22:08:26

luis Lovely to hear from you. Glad all is well. Please keep posting, we've missed you. MN does seem to be hard on men confused Some people just seem to make negative assumptions as soon as they realise the poster is male - very weird, but we have nothing but positive thoughts about you smile

detective N also only wears a baby grow at night if its less than 24 degrees. She often only wears a vest at night - although our upstairs bedrooms do get very warm.
She hasn't had a vest on in the day for ages - mostly just leggings and a thin long sleeved top.

congratulations on the water consumption Kyz grin

both my girls woke at 7 this morning shock They also both woke once in the night, so room for improvement, but still!

We had a pottering about type of day, apart from being silly enough to go and get DD1 some some new shoes. Completely failed to consider the whole going back to school thing - doh! It was madness. But DD1 only had one melt down all day and was pretty delightful the rest of the time so I'm not a gibbering wreck and we actually had a pretty nice day!

ChasingDaisy Sun 25-Aug-13 22:23:21

Gah, there's lots of bottle dropping going on. O is still on 4 6-7oz bottles a day plus a 3oz one most nights which I am trying to wean him off. He always drains the bottles and I have only just managed to reduce it from 5 to 4. What is the aim with milk? To be done with bottles by the time they are 1? I'm completely clueless.

daisychain76 Sun 25-Aug-13 22:26:38

Hello newish thread! Busy weekend. Out of the blue H just started crawling yesterday thwn clapping today oh and a tiny (2 steps) bit of cruising. His developmental check isn‘t til he‘s 11 1/2 months. I seem to recall older dcs checks being pretty basic.

eliza whereabouts in Derbyshire are you going? Hope E starts putting on weight soon.

Bp H is in reusables all day (sposies at night) and l‘m still not sure l understand all the terms or even do the nappies right really!

Making salted caramels tonight. Not a good move weight wise!

Bryzoan Sun 25-Aug-13 23:51:47

That is amazing vq. Perhaps you are turning a corner. Hope you are having a good night.

Well done daisy's h.

Chasing - no. It is just that by far most of their intake should be from food. They stil need milk, be it bf and / or cows. Up to you how to give it but I reckon hv's would nudge you towards cups rather than bottles after a while as better for teeth and mouth development - open cups are best for speech development (small victories - we've just got dd drinking independently from one at 3)! We are bf but I would like to just be on a morning and evening bf by 1 - though will need to take advice as g is one of the dairy free crew so may need more.

TheDetective Sun 25-Aug-13 23:59:03

Well done H daisy! Funny how they just get up and go one day...! grin

Re: milk intake. According to my dietician appt on Friday, the actual intake doesn't matter so much, it is how much calcium they are getting. She didn't give me the figures, but I expect you can find out how much calcium is in their particular milk or the average BM, and then how much they should be having.

She said that O was just about having enough calcium at 24oz plus 4oz on his breakfast. She said if he drops lower he will need a calcium suppliment.

She said by the time he is 1 he should be having 2 milk feeds, it doesn't matter if it is now, or then, just at some point. She said if his calcium intake drops, he can simply have calcium suppliments.

So, in a nutshell. Don't worry, and there are always suppliments if their intake isn't 'enough'.

Bryzoan Mon 26-Aug-13 04:13:47

How much calcium are other dairy free bf mums getting? I am taking pregnacare bf supplements which have 800mg. Also having calcium rich bread and oatly so prob averaging another 400 per day. I have no idea how much g is getting. He has very little that isn't from me. I am a little concerned because his femoral heads still haven't ossified (he still has regular hip scans). Still waiting to see a fecking dietician. This has reminded me to hassle again on Tuesday.

Bryzoan Mon 26-Aug-13 04:16:58

He averages 6 bf in 24 hrs still
- the night ones seem the most effective though (I'd like to phase them out but haven't the nerve).

StuntNun Mon 26-Aug-13 07:11:53

Quiet night last night then? J was up three times before midnight so I ended up giving him a late breastfeed but then he slept for six hours once the Calpol kicked in so that was a relief. Still no sign of that top tooth yet. DS1 and DS2 have both lost three teeth this summer holiday, both on the same day on one occasion. The tooth fairy has been working overtime here particularly awkward when you have an older child who doesn't sleep well and when both boys share a room.

That sounds like plenty of calcium to me Bry. Afaik breastmilk contains 280-400 mg calcium per day and you are getting far in excess of that which should be enough even if absorption isn't 100%. If you're worried you could give G other sources of calcium such as sardines, tinned salmon, kale, bok choi, oranges and would you believe, Cheerios! One possible cause if you think there is a problem could be G's vitamin D intake as this is needed to properly absorb calcium. Are you giving vitamin drops daily?

Has anyone had any advice on tapering ranitidine? I know you're not to stop it dead as there's a hormone-driven rebound effect but I want to stop J having it and I'm not sure how slowly to decrease the dose. I think J's reflux is secondary to his egg intolerance and that's why his reflux became apparent relatively late on (diagnosed at six months). So I'm thinking now that the egg is out of his system he doesn't need the ranitidine any more. I will continue on with the Gaviscon as he still pukes if he misses a dose but I don't think he needs both mediations any more.

StuntNun Mon 26-Aug-13 07:13:40

*medications stupid spellcheck I already changed it once!

Bryzoan Mon 26-Aug-13 07:25:43

Thanks stunt, that is reassuring. Yes, he has vit d in drops. His hip consultant doesn't seem worried about his bone development being a little late so I will try not to either. Sounds like you got a bit more sleep... Wishing you more still though.

Happy Monday everyone. Enjoy the bank holiday. I am off to a children's farm with sil - should be nice :-)

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 07:27:00

2 wake ups. 10 minutes each. 11:30 and 12:30


Up for the day at 5:15 not so great sad

MissMummy1 Mon 26-Aug-13 08:02:13

Every half an hour.... sad

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 08:23:37


BigPigLittlePig Mon 26-Aug-13 08:23:51

<Hi-5's pidj>
<Hands brew to MM> Dog or baby or both??

Stunt no idea re: the ranitidine. I have often wondered this though with F, as the trigger for her reflux is long gone, so you would think that the reflux would go too. But if ever she misses a dose or two, she is not good.

Bry I freak out about Fs calcium too. Det our dietitian didn't mention calcium supplements, but I don't see how she can possibly get enough. She has perhaps 20oz nutramigen a day, max. And there can't be much else in the food she eats. The only calcium supps I've seen in the shops are for 3y+ though. Might find out the number and ring our dietitian soon. Anyhoo.

What are peoples plans for the bank holiday?

And where is PR? She has been quiet apart from on wwf where she's kicking my arse

ValiumQueen Mon 26-Aug-13 08:46:19

Sophia, J has a few pairs of leggings that are probably for girls tbh, but not pink. They are age 2-3 but cropped so just right for him at the moment. I had them for DD1 so they are very old.

PP why 'vq fuck off angry' ? I read this last night and immediately left the thread as it really upset me. I do not know what on earth I said to deserve that hmm This morning I have come back and noticed a wink further down so I am guessing you were joking. Didn't help last night though.

J settled really late due to wind and a bit of reflux with it, but yesterday was so much better. And he is only just stirring now.

DD1 hysterical going to school today. School is no longer fun apparently. P3 is when they start proper work it seems.

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 09:04:31

Sorry VQ, it was at the outrageous suggestion that i might use despicables. I didn't mean to upset you sad

MissMummy1 Mon 26-Aug-13 09:08:53

Teething baby. Puppy is ace, he sleeps. Although he did chew through Dp's drysuit boot yesterday angry. But M? She was inconsolable last night with teeth. Calpol did nothing sad

VQ I am so sorry to hear you were upset last night. I must say I raised an eyebrow but then assumed I had missed a joke or something. Sarcasm is very hard to gauge without tone. <big hug>

ValiumQueen Mon 26-Aug-13 09:10:47

Ah, I see. smile From a cost point of view I can recommend the Tesco value nappies. They are £1.41 for 20 I think, and if you were just using one a night it would be affordable. If it helps you and him sleep then it might be worth using them at night. I have used a combo, varying with age. For example there was a time when DD2 was just in cloth at night as no sposie could keep her dry.

Brockle Mon 26-Aug-13 09:13:26

I know I post really rarely but your DD1 has me worried vq as DS1 starts year 3 this year too. a shock is coming I think! ds2 is starting year 1 as well so I will have my work cut out I think! smile smile

I lurk a lot and whilst its hard to read about peoples amazing sleeps its good to know it does get better. especially for people that have really struggled with sleep in the past. good nights and happy babies should be cheered not mocked smile.

can I ask a q? Yousef hates cow and gate formula. has anyone found a formula that is more palatable? really struggling with this. sad he is bf but ff fed on my working days but he takes virtually no ff and then feeds all night sad

BigPigLittlePig Mon 26-Aug-13 09:53:10

Dsds school report said that she focuses brilliantly on tasks that she has set herself (ie the art corner) but needs to work on applying the same concentration to teacher-set tasks (ie actual work as opposed to play). This term could be interesting lol - she has already informed me she doesn't like her teacher because she is "strict" - as opposed to the "miss honey" reception/y1 teacher lol.

I got your joke pidj - but read it in the same minute as I read VQs comment so I guess it was in context.

Donnadoon Mon 26-Aug-13 09:53:45

Brockle we use Aptimal , my sister has just introduced formula to her five month old and after c+g refusal she seems to be enjoying the Aptimal smile

Brockle Mon 26-Aug-13 09:57:22

thanks donna will get some ready made today smile

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 26-Aug-13 10:02:09

stunt e was still on 3 doses of ranitidine until recently. I then dropped to 2 (which you probably did a long time a go). I was advised to reduce each dose every couple of days which i did. However this is when e started doing that brown vomit so I put it back up.

daisy we are staying in a little village called hartington I think it's called. Not that far from Matlock bath.

Well I was supposed to be having a nice day out with dh the 2 girls and our friends and their 2 children but I'm really not well enough. So annoying. So dh is goin to go and I'll just lay on the sofa!

ValiumQueen Mon 26-Aug-13 10:06:36

Brockle maybe your younger one starting school for the first time will help your older one, being the big brother etc, helping detract from anything he is not so keen on. DD1 is a drama queen at the best of times, and she is not happy that mummy and her two siblings are at home either. That changes of next week hopefully.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 26-Aug-13 10:12:21

Oooooo. The carpets go in today. And the fridge ,cooker, washer and dryer arrive. I am getting impatient to get in now and to start my new life. It is a nice little holiday cottage but there is nowhere really safe to put O apart from the high chair so I have to have eyes in the back of my head. All the toys are in boxes up at the house and I am shopping for food every couple of days, partly because I don't want t o have loads of food to transport and partly because I am not getting any time to do any meal planning, I don't like doing it that way. We eat boringly as I don't have time to think.

And I have been living out of a suitcase for nearly three weeks and I am fed up with that.

And the bloody town is shut off today for a fish festival and I need to go and get food. Grr.

Moan over. I am grateful, really I am. Just impatient and have an irritable feeling day. Not helped by feeling bloated.

Lily311 Mon 26-Aug-13 11:14:42

I got the joke too pidj and vq. I use aldi nappies, here they are the cheapest and one big bag is enough for nearly 2 months. I don't want to wake up for a crying baby because she is wet.

So after 3 months it's raining. I feel happy. I love the rain. I need to make a couple of phone calls and someone is coming to see how I live, apparently I might be able to get some kind of benefit for O though living in the newest building next to the river will not help. We shall see.

Off to do some Internet banking, I am hopeless nowadays for keeping an eye on my finances.

YellowWellies Mon 26-Aug-13 11:32:17

Just a quickie to say hello and hope everyone is well. Holiday going great so far. Bryz I was advised to take 1200mg a day of calcium whilst dairy free and BF. Will try to catch up. Love to all xx

GTbaby Mon 26-Aug-13 12:15:26

Oh fuck wank shit. Our cot mattress cover only comes off on one side. And have been using it upside down! So now side that does not come off is dirty.
Fuck shit shit FUcking shit.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 26-Aug-13 12:41:12

Ok feeling less poo now.

Have had a nice quiet morning with boys, made quesadillas for lunch O loved them, obviously cut into little bits. Both having a snooze, have caught up with ironing, made a shopping list that covers 48 hours, swished and swiped the bathrooms and now have coffee, banana and Doctors.

Getting back on top of stuff has perked me up.

I hope you are all enjoying your bank holiday.

The carpets are going down, the white goods are at the house and the kitchen fitters are back finishing up.

StuntNun Mon 26-Aug-13 12:46:41

BigPig I'm no expert but looking into proton pump inhibitors it appears that one response to anti-reflux medications is an upregulation of the hormone that promotes acid production in the stomach. So if you stop taking them abruptly then there will be an overproduction of stomach acid. That's probably why missing a dose or two causes such dramatic effects. It doesn't necessarily mean that the medication is still required. I have tapered J from 2.5 ml to 2 ml and I'll decrease it every two or three days unless I see any adverse effects in which case I'll keep it at the same level for longer.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 26-Aug-13 13:06:11

I'd love to get F shot of the meds. We haven't properly tried for a few months, when she had obviously outgrown her dose and her symptoms started to creep back in. Shall attempt to drop it down gradually and see what happens <gulps>

We appear to have been invaded by wasps. Who love the raspberry jelly that F has had for pudding hmm Fecktards.

GTbaby Mon 26-Aug-13 13:31:03

Not caught up totally. Hope everyone is well x

VQ if I'm honest a couple things have upset me recently on the thread. But thing is I know ppl don't mean to upset others here. This is a safe environment. But like with any friendship group ppl miss hear/miss read and misunderstand things. Hope your feeling better today.

Det. I'm a lazy mummy. Lo wears a vest most the time at the min as its warm. When we go out we put on tracky bottoms or trousers.
Yesterday I got a hoody out for when its chilli at night. At night time he wears a vest with a cellular blanket on. I
I haven't been using his grow bag as its very hot at night. But I'm now cautious of using it when it gets cooler as he stands up n worried he will trip up.

I would like to use re useable. But FH is like no way. Mil is like not in my machine. But have to say when I look into it, it is so confusing! N worried that I'd end up spending loads on trying difference types lol.

Right better get some food. So hungry all the time.

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 13:41:31

Very quick lunchtime stop over.

How are we all? Sorry you were upset last night VQ. How are things today?

I asked my GP about reducing meds and he shrugged his shoulders and said 'drop a dose'. I am a bit confused though as I thought ranitidine was to do with H2 receptors and omeprazole was a proton pump inhibitor. Either way, I was planning taking maybe half a ml off per week and going that way.

In other news I think I accidentally fed P cheese last night. No ill effects at all. In fact she slept as well as she has for a very long time.

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 13:43:06

Oh fuck! PR?!

ValiumQueen Mon 26-Aug-13 13:45:14

Stunt Ranitadine is not a PPI though.

About PPs comment, I do not want there to be an argument about whether it was a joke or misleading or how I should have taken it. It upset me. PP explained. End of.

ValiumQueen Mon 26-Aug-13 13:47:13

PR will be at nursery getting the wee ones settled. Her DH is off too so I am sure she will be fine.

ValiumQueen Mon 26-Aug-13 13:47:37

I am fine Pass, thank you smile

TheDetective Mon 26-Aug-13 13:58:40

I fucking KNEW I tempted fate with saying O hadn't woken in the night for weeks.

Course he fucking woke last night! But it was quite cute. Because he turned his own Ewan on to harp! grin

So all is forgiven! He did eventually manage to settle and slept til 7.50. Phew.

I am not going to mess with O's doses of Ranitidine, as although he has increased his vomiting confused he is settled enough for me not to want to rock the boat. I am not doing anything til he is 1.

I tried my work uniform on this morning. It is a little loose on me now! grin Before I was pregnant it was tight. It did get looser with the hyperemesis though.

I would like to lose 4 or 5 more lb before I go back as that would make me feel even better smile I've now lost 2st 4.5lb. I would like to get to 3st by October. I am averaging half a stone a month. It feels so slow. I don't think my colleagues will notice I have lost weight when I go back. I think they will be expecting me to be much slimmer than I am. But then they didn't see the weight pile on after I had O!

StuntNun Mon 26-Aug-13 13:59:35

Yes ranitidine is not a PPI and there doesn't seem to be much indication on whether it has the same hormonal upregulation effect. I'm going to go with the precautionary principle and reduce J's dose gradually as ime going cold turkey is usually not the best option with most drugs.

TheDetective Mon 26-Aug-13 14:24:27

Oh, and this morning, DP went in to O's room to get him up, and he was shouting muma muma muma over and over at DP. Then DP bought him to see me, and he was grinning and giggling. grin

He's having massive developmental leaps right now. With his speech, walking, and he is finally clapping after months of looking at me with a 'WTF' expression!

Such a lovely age right now... shame they have to grow up really...!

StuntNun Mon 26-Aug-13 15:32:39

No developmental leaps here. No talking, no crawling, no waving, no clapping. We must be having a developmental plod instead!

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 26-Aug-13 16:27:36

Worst night in a long time. That's all I have to say. I do not know why he was wakes crying now. Most of the time he can be settled by a hand on his back or side and switching on ewan. I don't know what else to do.

I had my Gyn appt today. I'm back on the waiting list for surgery. Great! He also told me I'd ideally never return to my job as it's too manual. Also told me that woman think they're superwoman after surgery and lift things they shouldn't!

ValiumQueen Mon 26-Aug-13 16:58:27

I am sorry you had a bad night again Izzy. Could it be teeth? Have you tried calpol? And gel? Perhaps it is regression. Is he having a leap? He is the right age. Previously you would not have noticed due to constant crap nights. Also sorry about your undercarriage. Would medical retirement be an option then? Could you qualify for disability or is it just that job? Is there a clinic post or admin post they could swap you to?

ValiumQueen Mon 26-Aug-13 17:00:31

I am sorry you had a bad night again Izzy. Could it be teeth? Have you tried calpol? And gel? Perhaps it is regression. Is he having a leap? He is the right age. Previously you would not have noticed due to constant crap nights. Also sorry about your undercarriage. Would medical retirement be an option then? Could you qualify for disability or is it just that job? Is there a clinic post or admin post they could swap you to?

ValiumQueen Mon 26-Aug-13 17:00:53

Oops blush sorry grin

StuntNun Mon 26-Aug-13 17:43:09

Sounds like J can't self settle at night when he reaches the end of a sleep cycle Izzy. My J is similar, he prefers to feed to sleep but then when he wakes up in the night he doesn't know how to get himself back to sleep. Sleep training is the only way to resolve it quickly. You can do it for naps as well as bedtime. There are loads of different methods, you're best to pick the one that suits you. I did controlled crying with DS1 and DS2 but I can't remember how old they were. Once they were into a bed rather than a cot they both needed some rapid return as well (lying in wait on the landing to take them back to bed). With J I'm doing a combo of controlled crying and gradual retreat. Since he likes to feed to sleep I feed him with the TV on and sitting up so he won't go to sleep. Then when he's finished and sleepy I rock him in my arms until nearly asleep. Then I put him in his cot (sleeping bag, dark room, teddy and dummy) and put my hand on his back for a while. Then I say night night and leave him to it. If he cries I leave him for a minute or two but if he gets louder or seems upset I go in and resettle him. It doesn't always work and sometimes I end up boobing or rocking him to sleep anyway but over time I'm hoping he'll learn to settle himself. For some reason he'll only self settle on his tummy whereas otherwise he prefers to sleep on his side. I don't know whether something similar would help your J as well.

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 17:57:31

Izzy brew ours is discomfort from nappies, is there something making him uncomfortable like that? Teeth, wetness, a zip or popper that digs, likes/dislikes his feet covered? R has to have his wool longies, and long sleeved top. Won't sleep in fleece or PUL (or probably sposies, because they're also plastic). Nor will he go down in short sleeves or a too-heavy sleeping bag. I'm waffling, sorry, and you've probably tried all this. But if it's not tummy ache or teething pain, it might be some other niggly little thing thanks

Lily311 Mon 26-Aug-13 18:13:53

Oh izzy so sorry. Not sure what to suggest re J. Is the surgery waiting list good news? I hope the waiting list is not too long.

I accidentally bought a coffee machine. Well, I wanted one though I only drink coffee occasionally.

And we won't get any financial support cause O has property on her name. It's only half and I can't sell it till 18. Oh, never mind, I gave up on Hungary really.

Physio starts next week again.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 26-Aug-13 18:22:07

Izzy forget the brew - have a bottle of wine No ideas I'm afraid. I so so wish I had a magic wand that induced sleep in all the quiche babies, but J in particular. When he does finally get a full nights sleep, he won't know himself in the morning! And neither will you, lol.

Just put F in a hip carry using an old bed sheet I cut in half. I blame all you baby wearers, making me take scissors to my bed linen tsk tsk F quite liked it though as she could slap me round the face

ChasingDaisy Mon 26-Aug-13 19:52:34

Evening quiche,

Izzy I wish I knew what to suggest, but I am sure you've tried everything already! I really feel for you and am sending lots and lots of hugs and sleepy dust to you.

Sophia you are superwoman! I cannot believe the amount you have going on and the number of things you fit into each day. You really are an inspiration. I shall raise a toast to you when you move into your lovely home.

Speaking of which, I am going to sign the tenancy agreements for the new flat tomorrow and I collect the keys on Friday. Hope to have moved in by Sunday and have a bottle of wine (from date guy) to toast my new life. A Skype conference call was mentioned?! grin

So, the date. I feel bad that I haven't updated you all yet but needed time to get my head straight. I had a lovely time. We had lunch, mooched around the city centre, had a rainy walk around a lake and chatted non stop. He is extremely open and honest and we talked a lot about past relationships and love. He is like nobody I have ever met before and I felt quite scared about how strongly I could potentially feel about him. As we were being open I asked him whether he saw this as a friendship or possibly something more, he said that yes he could see it developing into something more as he 'really liked me' or 'liked me a lot', I can't remember the exact wording which is really annoying as I have been debating which wording would mean he likes me more... He wants us to meet up again. We are meeting on Thursday evening after O is in bed while my dad babysits.

So, an exciting week ahead.

O is thankfully eating solids again now his tooth has popped through, which is a relief. He is loving having his grandad home again and is babbling so much more now which is lovely!

Lily311 Mon 26-Aug-13 19:54:53

Yey for date night. Wording doesn't matter, he likes you and that's good enough.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 26-Aug-13 20:16:49

Hi-5 chasing! In fact, chest bumps are needed too! For contract and date night(s). I'm glad things are looking up at last. Just need to get you into your new pad, and with some new mummy & baby friends. Oooh, it's exciting!!

Lily we have a lovely coffee machine too, it gathered dust during my pregnancy (couldn't face coffee) and then afterwards (upset Fs reflux) but now, it is getting some good use fuelling my serious caffeine addiction

Turns out, baths with mummy with deep water and bubbles = HIGHLY exciting. So exciting that F nearly drowned felt the need to dunk herself underwater for a second which AGED me, about a billion years....

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 20:24:24

Evening wimmin.

Nothing to say but wanted to say hi.

I am pleased for you chasing. I would urge positive caution. If that makes sense. Kind of like you look both ways when crossing the road even though you fully expect you won't get run over - it's just a sensible precaution. He does sound lovely and, whatever happens, that fluttery tummy feeling is loads of fun and you so deserve fun. Enjoy it.

My possible cheese misadventure with p has got me wondering. P never showed the typical symptoms of CMPI - none of them. It was the docs who seemed sure. I am not sure I am brave enough but what would be the gentlest thing to give her if I wanted to test dairy? Is cooked better? The pasta sauce I gave her was actually a pizza base sauce and possibly had Parmesan. Although not very much. Hmm.

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 20:30:02

We have a posh coffee machine. We take our coffee machines very seriously grin. If we had the space for an industrial type one with build in grinder, DH would have one in a heart beat.

Hmm. I suspect neighbours are going to hack me off tonight. They are lovely folk but bizarrely slam their doors incredibly loudly. When we first moved in we managed to raise it subtly by asking if they had bother with the doors. They got a guy in to 'fix' them but they still heave every single door shut so hard it honestly makes the whole house shake. And despite being new builds they are not too flimsy so they really are heaving them shut. I have just had to go a resettle p because they have visitors who are equally heavy handed. Argh.

Anyway, I am sorry izzy. I wish I had advice but I think clutching at straws can be much more annoying.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 26-Aug-13 20:30:07

Pass I was advised small amounts of cooked stuff first, ie. cake or biscuit, that live yoghurt is a bit easier as the fermenting process begins to break down the CMP....raw milk is obv the worst. Wouldn't it be great if she was totally fine with it all! A whole world of yogurty, cheesey delight awaiting her.

ValiumQueen Mon 26-Aug-13 20:30:31

Have you checked the label on the sauce Pass?

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 20:32:59

I made it VQ. It was frozen and I was sure I knew what was in it - I would normally just make it with tomatoes and loads of veg cooked down and whizzed smooth. This one looked a bit creamy and I have a vague recollection of making one with Parmesan

StuntNun Mon 26-Aug-13 21:02:47

I have had a horrible evening tonight, I'm really at the end of my rope. DS2 has woken J up three times. After the second time DH ended up smacking him four times! shock And this was after he had accused me of scaring the children (I told them I wouldn't take them to the park tomorrow if they didn't tidy up their room). I feel like I would do anything to get away from all the noise and the mess. And to make matters worse I just found out that school starts on Thursday not Wednesday so I have to deal with another day of trying to persuade DS1 and DS2 not to spend the whole day playing computer games.

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 21:10:19

stunt let them. With the best will in the world is it worth your sanity? What is the worst that can possibly happen? Personally it sounds like you need the break a day of them playing computer games would give you.

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 21:11:25

<hug>brewwinecakebiscuit Stunt

From my days working with teens with SN, power cables are a lot easier to hide than entire consoles wink glove box of the car, potato bag, cleaning cupboard, empty vegetable bag in the freezer (spinach, cauliflower, broccoli) etc

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 21:14:12

It would be fab bp! Thanks for your advice. I suppose it is possible that the cooking of the Parmesan might have helped as well. I might tackle a biscuit in a couple of weeks. I must say, we are off to France on hols in 6 weeks and thinking I might not have to be utterly frantic would be fab. That might be pushing it though - I can't imagine she'll be nomming on Camembert for a while. Just a break from label checking or not having to try to explain in my non-existent French that she can't have anything from a cow.

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 21:14:59

grin! Love the idea of hiding power cables in bags of veggies!

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 21:15:44

Can you still take fuses out of plugs?

daisychain76 Mon 26-Aug-13 21:19:13

Oh stunt what a rotten evening. I often use not taking the dcs somewhere as a threat. Can you take your ds's out somewhere? I find it easier to manage when we are in the park or countryside and they can run off steam. Or, as pass says, the odd day of computer games won't hurt. Sometimes you all need a rest.

Sounds a lovely afternoon chasing.

Sorry for the awful sleeping izzy.

DH gave me a lie in today as I was up a lot with H. Unfortunately, H has developed an ear splittingly loud screech after closely watching dd have a spectacular diva tantrum at the weekend. So no sleep as I was woken up by totally happy screeching every 2 minutes (from downstairs!)

Eliza I have been to Hartington (I had a friend who had an amazing house her dh built himself there). It is lovely. Nice and near Buxton too, which has a lovely park (Pavillion Gardens) and Pizza Express smile

BigPigLittlePig Mon 26-Aug-13 21:27:27

Does anyone remember the thread I linked to ages ago, with the total ledg mum who lobbed the x-box out the window? Well, yeah, that. Maybe stunt is gearing up to be our resident ledg lol? <Hugs> though stunt - count down the hours if it makes it easier. And if all else fails, crack out the wine and cake

StuntNun Mon 26-Aug-13 21:27:42

I found a really good hiding place for the Xbox Pidj - in the picnic box! They would never have found it there. Unfortunately DH wanted it back so he could play Batman. sad

I don't mind them playing computer games all day occasionally but we had a three hour game of Monopoly Wii today so tomorrow needs to be a little bit more wholesome!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 26-Aug-13 21:32:31

Thanks chasing , somehow we are getting there. Am incredibly pleased for you and the way things are progressing. <joins in with the chest bumps> you sound very level headed about it all, but I bet you are scaredely excited. confused

If one put a wire in the freezer would it work following defrosting? Just a thought? (I like your thinking though pp )

A good day. Apart from all the progress at the house I took the boys to the local Fish Festival confused which was fun. I didn't get to sample any fish as I was juggling the pushchair and the toddler and daren't even contemplate the none handed scrabble in bag for purse, but I would have liked to. After tea while DS1 was engrossed in a Thomas DVD and O was enjoying some of the carrot stick organic crisps I whipped up a really nice and really easy sausage casserole for tea so felt very proud and oRganised when I went to collect DH for the house.

Tomorrow is furniture delivery and us moving existing furniture in. Will be tired I think tomorrow. ( as I am living from a suitcase and I didn't really think about it I only have one outfit suitable for working at the house. A park of Tesco grey skinnies ( really nice actually and only £12 ) a navy blue t shirt and some pumps, the tradesmen must think I am a real skeggy) even I am getting sick of the sight of myself in it

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 21:32:41

Bit of a faff, Pass? Remove power cable. Produce list of chores each with a value in minutes - eg pair all family socks 30 minutes, clean teeth 5 minutes (monopoly money is good if you cba to make tokens). Tokens may be exchanged 4-5:30 week days and 10-5:30 weekends. Failure to hand cable back at end of time means tokens will not be accepted for 24 hours. 48 for 2nd offence, 72 for 3rd etc.

Not sure how easy this is as a parent but works bloody well in residential school grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 26-Aug-13 21:33:41

A pair. Obviously. I do not know what a park of Tesco grey skinnies could be. More than 5 pairs?

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 26-Aug-13 21:35:01


<writes down pps methods for taking out when boys reach relevant age>

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 21:35:02

In a freezer bag, Sophia, one of the ziploc type. Or maintain a "You shouldn't have driven me to such desperate measures" attitude if it doesn't survive?

ChasingDaisy Mon 26-Aug-13 21:35:28

sophia funnily enough I would describe my current mood as nervously excited grin
smile confused

pig I remember that thread smile stunt is there anywhere outdoors you can take them to let off steam? Also, sad about DP.

PurplePidjin Mon 26-Aug-13 21:36:46

Did i mention I've only done this with a lot of back up, on kids that i don't have to live with, Sophia grin

StuntNun Mon 26-Aug-13 21:37:59

A Crunchie Blast makes everything all better. Apart from the diet obviously. It's not my fault, it was the only egg-free treat in the house.

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 21:43:49

What is a crunchie blast? It sounds delicious. I think I have to have one.did I mention that DH was worried I might be pregnant? Is this the time to work that?

StuntNun Mon 26-Aug-13 21:44:32

Did I mention that I got stung my a wasp today? The horrid little fucker was inside my shirt sleeve. Cue much howling and crying from me way to set a good example for the kids.

And DH's car cost £1,060 to fix. confusedconfusedconfused

Seriously not a good day today.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 26-Aug-13 21:44:36

Thanks daisy we have been there twice before. Bil parents own a cottage there and kindly let us use it. Lovely part of the country. Very rainy though!

I've spent the day on the sofa feeling like crap. DH took DD1 out and the pil had Ella so I was able to veg out. Still free awful though. Off to drs for me tomorrow!

I won't type more as the screen is hurting my eyes so ill bid you all goodnight and hope there are lots of sleeping babies x

StuntNun Mon 26-Aug-13 21:45:16

It's an ice cream Pass, honeycomb ice cream covered with chocolate and popping candy pieces.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 26-Aug-13 21:46:30

Ouch stunt

Pass what what!? Why did dh think this? Is it true?!?!

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 21:47:54

sad *eliza. Get yerself to the docs!

That sounds awful awful awful stunt. I have been very lucky and never been stung by wasp or bee. I still panicked when a lazy looking wasp buzzed round p who was literally covered in fruit the other day. Cue me trying to be all relaxed while she is teaching out trying to touch it.

Does it still hurt? I'll bet the car repair bill still does though

Passmethecrisps Mon 26-Aug-13 21:49:32

Drunken shagging BP. No need for excitement though as I am currently enjoying a period. I did laugh this morning though when I complained of stomach pains and he said "it's not your uterus is it?"

daisychain76 Mon 26-Aug-13 21:58:09

Ooh, l love Crunchie Blasts and hide the packet in the back of the freezer so dcs can‘t get them

Kirrin Mon 26-Aug-13 22:04:04

Half a stone a month may feel slow detective but added together its great! you've done brilliantly smile

Sorry you had such a bad night MM and izzy And good that you're on the waiting list izzy Is leaving your job something you could/would do?

date sounds good chasing and yay yay yay for the keys to the flat - what an exciting week you have ahead smile

stunt sounds like a crap evening sad Sounds very stressful. I agree with pass re the computer games.

Hope you're feeling better soon eliza thanks

I lifted N out of the car seat today and there was a dead wasp stuck in her hair shock I can only assume she squashed it and its lucky she didn't get stung.

ValiumQueen Mon 26-Aug-13 22:51:59

The boy has just fallen asleep.

Night night ladies and DaddyQuiche x

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 26-Aug-13 23:06:58

Thanks everyone. The waiting list is 4-6 weeks!

As for my job there isn't really an alternative. We can't afford for me not to work and there isn't really anything else I can do in my field. Patients are heavy, trolleys and wheelchairs containing patients are heavy, the equipment is heavy... Can you see a theme??

I'm screwed!

Hi quiche. Haven't logged on for a few days as its been a busy weekend here. It was my auntie's wedding Saturday. She cried the whole way through the service as did most of the women. Seeing my 84 year old grandad walk her down the aisle on his walking stick bless him was too much. Then today we had a BBQ for her new inlaws who are returning home to Barbados tomorrow. I've never known a BBQ like it though, was supposed to start at 2 but most of them didn't show until 5 shock grin

chasing Glad to hear everything is going well. It sounds very promising but I too would urge a bit of caution. One step at a time. If he's as great as he sounds then he won't mind going at your pace and taking it slow.

stunt That sounds delish!

Sorry to hear of your problem izzy. Not sure what to suggest sorry. Can your employer not make adjustments for you or are those things non-negotiable in your role?

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Aug-13 04:12:36

Aww Apple that wedding sounds delightful smile

Been awake with a snotty angry baby since 2.15, so nearly 2 hours. Grr!

ChasingDaisy Tue 27-Aug-13 05:29:41

Oscar is 9 months old tomorrow and appears to be celebrating by starting the 9 month sleep regression hmm hmm

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Aug-13 05:34:59

Oops Chasing.

J is 10 months and is still in it seemingly. He has been awake since 2.15 and will settle on me but nowhere else. Has had bottle but made no difference. DH wakes at 5.30 anyway and I heard him pottering so said it was time to swap. He is not happy. Concerned he will fall asleep with him. FFS. Fucking men. Grr. Anyway, back in bed but girls will be up imminently. Seems futile but need to make a point if nothing else.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 27-Aug-13 06:20:21

Hope you catch a few zzzzzz vq will bring you brew and poached eggs around 7.

O has is top teeth sneaking out, and a cold it seems. He would not settle till about 9 ish last night and then was grumbling from 5:30. Not too bad I know, just unusual for him.

Bryzoan Tue 27-Aug-13 07:10:07

Oh dear. Sorry to hear about your day stunt - hope the sting is feeling better. And your work problem izzy - guess you will just have to talk to them and see what they say? You have to put your health first I think.

Chasing - boo to regression, yay that things are going well for you otherwise - hope the move goes well - but I'm going to echo the appeal to take things s l o w l y - I think it is really important you build confidence that you and o are fundamentally ok on your own - even though it is not what you want for yourselves long term.

Vq - sending your dh a fish pie - which is a cross between the quiche fish and a custard pie. Buck up your ideas please mr. Hope you did get some sleep in the end vq.

Love the sound of the wedding apple.

Sorry to heat pr is taking some time out. Will miss her..

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Aug-13 07:31:20

Thank you for the brew and eggs Sophia, and the fish pie Bry grin I got a bit of sleep and feel like I have been run over.

ChasingDaisy Tue 27-Aug-13 08:34:50

Thank you everyone, I feel like I have a bunch of big sisters looking out for me smile Slowly is the name of the game and luckily he seems to have the same approach. I am determined that me and O will have a life that functions independently of any man.

Off to my dad's chiropractor today to see if he can do anything for my back pain and cricked neck.

fruitpastilles Tue 27-Aug-13 08:51:56

Morning all! Haven't posted for a few days, we are in regression hell. I think it's that coupled with teething (we still have none) and to be honest it's just been a shitty few days and I'm expecting it to last a while.

Just wanted to say

bryz sorry I'm a bit late on this one, but IMO you have done the right thing for R by making that decision. You will never get this time back, and for you to be there to help her in any way you can will be such a massive help with her development in itself.

chasing glad the date went well. He sounds like a lovely guy, I hope things continue to go well, oooh and how exciting to be getting the keys!

sophia you sound like Wonder Woman. I don't know how you are fitting it all in, exciting times for you aswell. Bet you can't wait to just be in the new house now though can you?

stunt I hope today is a bit better for you.

vq glad J's skin has cleared up, fingers crossed you have found the trigger now. Sorry you had a bad night last night though.

brewbrewbrew To all those needing them. I'll be having a few strong ones myself today! I'll try and keep up with this thread a bit better.

Oooh and my cousin is 5 weeks pregnant, I told her about MN and then felt sorry that she will be on the April 14 thread, not the quiche.

Pikz Tue 27-Aug-13 09:16:55

Pooooooo everywhere. Poor sausage. Upset tummy from everything. I feel can just smell poo everywhere.

Just got him down to sleep so shall start the mass of washing!

brew To all.

Chocolatestain Tue 27-Aug-13 09:45:02

Hi, I'm fairly new to MN and have just found this thread. Do you mind if I join you? DS (Daniel) is 9 months today.
Izzy, we took pouches for our holiday in France recently and they worked really well. Plum and Ella's Kitchen do them (personally I prefer Plum because their flavours are more like things I cook and they seem to have more veg in, but that's just me). The ingredients lists are quite simole so easy to check for allergens. D will happily eat them at room temp which is really handy when out and about. Usually either Boots or one or more of the supermarkets will have some kind of multi-buy offer on them.

Chocolatestain Tue 27-Aug-13 09:46:15

* sorry, that's a simple ingredients list!

Kyz Tue 27-Aug-13 09:58:47

Morning all, hope everyone had a good night? <reads quickly cos has busy day today doing a whole lot of rubbishy things>

Before I start, yesterday at lunchtime E wouldn't eat anything at all hardly. He hasn't done this for ages and it made me really nervous. What would I have done if he did it at tea time when he doesn't take milk now? I was about to drop that lunchtime bottle given that he takes 1-3 oz most days now after lunch, but now I daren't. Teatime, he doesn't have a bottle. What on earth are you supposed to do when they're not on as much milk but then don't want the solids? It has made me really nervous again now. We were doing so well too. I do think it was teeth related, or something, I gave calpol about an hour before he had tea and he ate that fine and most of it was finger food. Lunch was a sandwhich and he has eaten all/almost all the two previous times i've given sarnies.

Anyway, enough about me.....

Daisy well done to H that's loads to do at once bless him!

Gah I have only just settled myself on oz, why do they not tell you how much calcium they need instead? At least you can bloody add up calcium cos of it being in yoghurts etc. Or is it because it's different for every baby? Any idea how to work out how much they need?

moaning is ok sophia i am surprised you're still sane, i'd be sat rocking in a corner trying to organise/do what you're doing atm! Madness!

Glad your hols are good YW smile

Det you've lost loads, you're doing brill!

izzy sorry for the shitty nights still sad Wish I had some advice sad

lily that sucks sad

chasing date went brilliantly then grin! And woohooo nearly new flat time!!! Glad O is back to eating solids too smile

<also writes down pps methods for when e is older re computer games/whatever else>

stunt a shitty day indeed sad hugs

go to the doctors eliza bless you, you sound quite poorly

sounds like a lovely wedding apple smile

eek brew for the bad nights sad seems there were a few of them

congrats to your cousin fruit smile sorry about the regression sad

eek pikz that does not sound pretty!

hey choc welcome to the quiche smile

Right, best get my arse in gear, got loads of shizzle to do, ugh

fruitpastilles Tue 27-Aug-13 10:17:03

kyz I'd try not to worry too much, E will take what he needs.

Hey choc welcome to the quiche smile

Welcome choc smile

It's my last day at home today so im feeling a bit down. Back to work 4 days per week from tomorrow. There have been tears already this morning. I'm still contemplating being a sahm but will give it a couple of months and see how it goes. One thing which will make it easier is it's payday tomorrow. My first proper pay packet this year and it can't come soon enough.

Sorry to hear some have been having bad nights. Us included. C had no teeth for 9 months then 2 appeared in the last two weeks and another 2 on their way. All at the top in the middle, he looks so funny grin It's meant plenty of sleepless nights and that combined with me returning to work is not going to be fun!

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Aug-13 11:04:40

Hi Choc smile Loving the name! (Wonders if ShitStain has been taken, although Pikz may be more deserving of that today)

J has just settled. He was inconsolable and refused any solids. I think it is teeth making everything else worse. His skin has flared up again! And he has had no soya except what is in the formula. Maybe I should ask for AA.

Lily311 Tue 27-Aug-13 11:20:41

Welcome choc

kyz I always think and say that there are days I don't want to eat anything, even without reason so babies might be the same. O had very little lunch today but I'm sure she will eat more at dinner time. I don't worry but than I have a chubby baby.

O is 9 months and 1 week old and started commando crawling yesterday. I'm so proud smile. Finally I have a mover!

GTbaby Tue 27-Aug-13 11:32:29

Argh such a bad night. Me not the lo. Sick of not being able to sleep. Sick of not being comfortable.
Getting that constant ache feeling in my tummy now. And feeling generally shit.
Snapping at FH this morning. Luckily he is being nice.
Lo has gone down for a nap now n all I want to do is sit. But got his food to prep.

Sry me me me post but in feeling shit and self indulging.

Moan over.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 27-Aug-13 12:14:12

Been to docs. As well as conjunctivitis I also have a throat infection. I have antibiotics and eye ointment now so hopefully it will clear up nice and quickly. Thanks for all your well wishes. DD1 is currently on her 2nd Disney film of the day. Think there will be more to come once Cinderella is finished!

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Aug-13 13:57:18

Hugs to Elisa and GT x

J woke with a fever. Bollocks.

Pikz Tue 27-Aug-13 14:09:39

Posted on fb too as here was so quiet. How long do you leave diahorrea/upset stomach before ringing GP. It's been 24 hours.

PennieLane Tue 27-Aug-13 15:40:58

Just checking in, been trying to read thread but have had to give up. Excited to see gt not long to go now....if I don't check in again, hope all goes well and everything is much easier second time around...grin

PennieLane Tue 27-Aug-13 15:42:31

Also measles is the 1 year jab...she's doing much better and we've got off lightly, but its been tough hmm

PennieLane Tue 27-Aug-13 15:44:45

Thank you for the well wishes everyone grin

TheDetective Tue 27-Aug-13 16:56:17

Another day, another escapade. hmm

And I can't believe this happened again!!!!!!!

O had a shower after his nap as he woke very sweaty and stinky.

Brought him downstairs to dry him after the shower. Just as I get down here, the phone rings. It's my GP ringing for my telephone consultation appointment early hmm. So I'm distracted for a couple of minutes.

I look up and can't see O well through the dining room table, but I see his fingers, poking some sort of brown object on the floor.

Yes. Poo. AGAIN. This time, it's worse. IT'S IN HIS MOUTH.

I just died a little inside. He has truly revolted me. envy

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Aug-13 17:58:33

Hi Pikz how are things? Hopefully you got answers on FB. So long as little one is weeing ok then I tend not to worry too much. It depends if there is vomiting and a fever to go with it. Keep feeding but just milk and water. If worried or more than 48 hours I would get them checked unless it could be teeth. Teething always gives my babies the squits.

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Aug-13 17:59:41

Pennie I am glad she is doing ok. I am watching J carefully in case he has it as there is a fever of no known origin.

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Aug-13 18:00:06

Detective. Mmm lovely grin

Lily311 Tue 27-Aug-13 18:00:16

I'm speechless det. Not sure if its funny in a way or disgusting.

My monkey found the napkins cause she is on the move and ripped all of them apart. Clever girl. Not so clever mummy for leaving them on bottom shelf.

Tomorrow my mum has O. I have hairdresser and beautician appointment. Very much needed.

TheDetective Tue 27-Aug-13 18:05:07

One thing is for sure, I am not kissing him every again! <boak>

Your turn to baby proof lily! I am looking forward to hearing what other quiche babies get up to on their travels wink.

VQ Poor J. Hope it's nothing nasty. Or another tooth for that matter?!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 27-Aug-13 18:17:48

Det I just literally LOLd, F gave me a look as if to say, what's up with you? I didn't tell her, don't want her getting ideas!

Oh vq your poor poor boy. It seems to be every week he's poorly, it's so unfair sad.

Welcome choc

Pennie I'm glad to hear LO is doing better now, must be such a relief.

GT have you packed your hospital bag yet? I'm v excited for you, as I wasn't on MN when all our babies were being born - so your ds2 will be the first quiche baby for me, if that makes sense...

Manic day today, not over yet. Lily I think I need to babyproof imminently too, am not ready for a mover! Help!

Lily311 Tue 27-Aug-13 19:04:58

I don't want to baby proof, wah wah wah. I want a non moving baby. I said no hundred times today. It's pretty awesome how fast they learn, I mean she was sitting down yesterday and crawled across the room today.

fruitpastilles Tue 27-Aug-13 19:20:31

Oh my god det I don't know whether to laugh or cry, poor you, poor O! I'm terrible for not letting S go nappy free, this has just reminded me why lol.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 27-Aug-13 19:28:52

detectives story reminded me about a story a friend at work told me. Her youngest DS had done a poo. She started changing him on the floor in the living room but her nappy box was empty. She literally dashed to the next room to get one. When she came back her DS1 was eating the poo out of the nappy and had smeared it all over DS2. There's lovely for you.

Pikz Tue 27-Aug-13 19:39:05

Vq thank you so much. Have had a hell of a day. He's now in bed. How is J now?

Det I think after all the poo I have seen today I am thankful I banned nappy free time ages ago!

Lily welcome to the world of the movers!!

Big hugs all round. I need wine but am forcing myself to exercise first.

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Aug-13 19:58:37

J has just woken seconds after I came to bed. Different rooms so I have not disturbed him. He felt cool earlier when I checked him, and he was babbling and blowing raspberries in his sleep. I have no idea why his temp went up. Hope it stays down.

Pikz I hope you have an uneventful night x

Donnadoon Tue 27-Aug-13 20:26:00

Welcome choc
Kyz I friggin love your summary s
GT how long now til due date?
Vq it's boiling where I am this evening after being chilly the last few nights
Det your lad is gonna keep you on your toes for the foreseeable grin I think he is ace ! Although I'm very happy with my delicate little flower that just sits nice and quiet playing nicely , just learned to clap her hands grin My next one will be like O I bet!grin

BigPigLittlePig Tue 27-Aug-13 20:40:48

We have movement! She crawled 2 steps (steps? shuffles? clunks?) in pursuit of a packet of wet wipes grin I nearly cried blush.

DH is under strict instructions re: the stair gate!

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Aug-13 20:46:37

Duders. Hahahahahahahahahaha. iPhone wants to correct duders to udders! Hahahahaha


Fuck me I am knackered.

Hia choccy. Welcome welcome.

Ach. Have forgotten everything. Hing on

daisychain76 Tue 27-Aug-13 20:48:26

Hello all, hope LO is better soon Pikz and that you feel bettter as wwell eliza. Sorrry to hear of more bad nights. Dh was up most of the night with H laast night appaarently, but l slept through it all blush

Needed the sleep. Took older 2 dcs on train to Southport for a play on the beach and fish and chips today. 2 hours each way by train. Alternate demands for food and moans about being borred every 2 minutes. Would say neverr again, but l always forget the bad bits by the next summer smile

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Aug-13 20:49:40

Hi 5 to a moving F BP! Get that stair gate put up!!

And more hi 5ing to lily's O for moving

eliza you have been through the mill and the wringer. Hell's teeth!

Weird about the temp spike VQ. Very odd indeed.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 27-Aug-13 20:49:40

Det I just read dh Os latest, erm, antics. His response? "He's a bit of a bugger isn't he!" There are 2 MN people dh knows about. Chasing (for her heroism), and O grin

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Aug-13 20:54:11

Oh aye. And pikz you were wondering about doc visits? I took p to the do after 5 days of unusual poo activity. No other unwellness at all. I think I would be taking L tomorrow if for no other reason than you are obviously worried and he is poorly. It is more than likely teething but worth a visit. My doc very patiently went through all the indicators with me using p as a wee exemplar - I nodded my head enthusiastically while thinking "yeah. If I am worried I will still be bringing her back in"

And envy det. Is he nappy free I take it? Poor p never, ever gets nappy free.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 27-Aug-13 20:57:28

F had 10 minutes of nappy free time yesterday. She weed no less than 3 time, THREE! Twice on a blanket, once on the bathroom floor. No way is she going nappy free once she's highly mobile!

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Aug-13 20:59:06

Ok. This morning I had cheese on toast for brekkie. I had it hanging out of my mouth while trying to sort p out (she was crawling under all the chairs in the kitchen clambering all over DH's shoes). She grabbed it amazingly quickly (*GT*?! Babies grabbing food!) and stuffed it in her mouth. I has my hands full of her so I had to shuffle about to get it back out. The whole while (maybe 10 seconds ) it was on her mouth p had a "where have you been all my life" face on and looked panicked when I yanked it off her. Little bizum.

Apparently she was in good spirits all day with the only unusual thing being that she refused to nap in the afternoon when she usually sleeps 2 hours. Might mean something, might not. However, now she has tasted the deliciousness that is cheese I am keeping my toast well away from her.

TheDetective Tue 27-Aug-13 21:09:43


Yes. He's a bugger alright! grin

But looks so innocent with it too. hmm

So. I'm fucked. <Plugs fingers in ears I'm not listening lalalala!>

Just goes to show, you never get 2 quite the same. wink

TheDetective Tue 27-Aug-13 21:12:55

I can't wait for O to sample the dairy delights out there... poor monkey sad

Maybe that's the reason for his behaviour?! Revenge for keeping the cheesy goodness away from him?!

After the last poo incidence, nappy free is a thing of the past. He'd just got out of the shower when the GP rang my phone for my appt. He scooted off as I was talking for all of 3 minutes. And in that time, he caused such mass panic. Me and DS1 were not happy!

Passmethecrisps Tue 27-Aug-13 21:22:00

A life without cheese is sad. Not that I intend p to have more for a while. Too scary and cheese on toast was not what I meant when I thought I would gently test her. She is just very grabby

Kyz Tue 27-Aug-13 21:25:22

Evening all smile Dunno what's going on here, e was ever so unsettled at bedtime so I gave calpol. He has drained all 3 bottles today and has eaten 'easy' foods like an ek pouch and a yoghurt, and some fruit, but refused jacket potato (he has eaten it before) and hasn't bothered with other finger foods like toast etc. I wonder if it's teeth. I guess it sounds like it probably is. Was just about to stop offering that third bottle but I won't now he's drinking it again, seems a bit unfair and I do worry about when he's offered less milk but doesn't eat solids and I have no backup bottle so to speak. Thanks for the reassurance guys smile

Aaanyway enough about me/us...

Not long now gt - actually how long is it now until your due date?

glad you went to the docs eliza and I hope you get better soon smile

hope J is ok vq

det as long as he doesn't turn into my brother you'll be alright - he used to eat the contents of his nappy after both naps each day for months on end. It really did not matter what we did, he ALWAYS did it, and smeared it all over his cot. He would be seen to the minute we heard him on the baby monitor but he was like a silent little ninja. Drove my mum insane it did!

hope you have a nice day tomorrow lily smile

why thankyou donna I aim to please and I talk far too much it seems

woohoo on the moving bplp and lily

pass e is very quick too, only the last thing I had to fetch from inside his trap was the corner of an envelope. He got to the post before I did!

erm... what else...

It's been quiet today!

Oh, MIL gave e some apple for breakfast this morning. Don't think she stewed it. Must ask. Anyway, he survived. Is he allowed non stewed apple now or still not because he has no teefs?

I am right not dropping the 3rd bottle after his recent behaviour with lunch aren't i? He seemed ready to drop it before but then the last two days have proved otherwise. HV reckons to drop another one by the time he's 10 months but didn't really say why and I just said i'd drop it when he drops it but you all know how I fret over my decisions!

TheDetective Tue 27-Aug-13 21:37:03

I just remembered - we've had a crap time with naps today, several wake ups. On one particular wake up I was patting his bum while Ewan was harping away. The next thing, the battery dies and it makes that annoying fecking beeping noise that's guaranteed to wake a baby ffs and O grabbed the harp paw and was pressing it over and over! I had to prise the damn sheep out his grubby little paw and throw the fecking thing out the door in frustration!.

I love how he turned it on at 5am the other morning when he woke. I don't know why but it really makes me chuckle!

They aren't as daft as they make out, are they?! wink

TheDetective Tue 27-Aug-13 21:39:55

I've given O raw apple before. I think it is okay. He has 2 teeth though?

With the bottle, you could try dropping it, give him extra calcium through cheese, yoghurts, milk in breakfast etc. See what happens? You could always just give it later in the day if he needs it.

O has his late afternoon, not having had one since before breakfast.

I am very glad O is not your brother! I'd definitely die on the spot at that one!!! I am glad to be going back to work then to leave it all to DP!!.

O had some little crispy things on his tray tonight. Along with peas. The crispy things all got eaten. The peas got fed to the dog one by one.

The boy makes me laugh grin.

TheDetective Tue 27-Aug-13 21:41:24

As in, the dog sat open mouthed by the highchair, as O painstakingly picked each pea up practicing his pincer grasp, then put his hand over the side of the chair and dropped it straight in to the dogs mouth. About 20 times. grin

daisychain76 Tue 27-Aug-13 21:47:09

det l love reading about his antics. Can‘t wait to hear what he gets up too as a toddler smile

kyzH had raw apple with no teeth. BLW web site suggests it can be a bit of an awkward texture for babiees to cope with, but E clearly managed, so must be doing well.

Pikz Tue 27-Aug-13 21:48:43

Det does he have a bombs away noise... L makes a noise when he's going to drop something... If you say what are you doing he looks up grins and drops it..

Kyz Tue 27-Aug-13 21:51:13

I think it's very clever of him to turn it on on his own smile e has the rainforest mobile thing and tries to turn that on himself but it requires standing up and he can never be arsed usually!

I thought raw apple was a choking hazard but then he's better at eating now so perhaps it isn't anymore. Mil is round tomorrow for a bit so will ask her how he did with it and what she did with it too.

Good idea re: the bottle. When he's not refusing to eat his lunch he can put away a sandwich or a 190g ek pouch/equivalent of that I've cooked or more. I do him 250g portions and he usually eats all of that plus cubes of cheese, bits of ham/cucumber/tomato/puffits etc. thanks for the ham tip btw he loves it! It just worries me if he decides not to eat and I'm no longer giving that bottle. I mean what If I dropped it and he was fine and then decided not to eat at lunch or tea? What does one do with say a toddler/baby only having night bottle that goes off solids? :s

BigPigLittlePig Tue 27-Aug-13 21:53:07

Ah yes det - the "drop". F selects items she doesn;t want to eat, and they all meet this fate. Sadly, we don't have a dog, and the cat is busy catching slow worms lately instead of breadsticks.

Kyz I thnk you must go with your instinct. If he still eagerly drains the bottle then likely he needs it still. If he is fussing and messing with it, then I would try without it for a day or so. I don't see how the hv can say he needs to only have 2 bottles once he's 10 months old. They're all so different.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 27-Aug-13 21:55:48

Kyz on those days, I guess just offer lots of water and little snacks. Sometimes, F decides she wants a few ozs after breakfast. She has a unique squeal for this very purpose. You can always offer a bottle if you worry he hasn't had a lot.

GTbaby Tue 27-Aug-13 21:57:22

Pass lol. Funny how babies grab food?!?

I am 36 weeks. It's only just hit me that its only 2weeks till the point at which I had DS1.

Shall I do a live birth thread? I remember lo was one of the first babies, and I didn't want to write to much as I didn't want to freak other 1st time mums out. Lol.

I'm getting really nervous. I was induced last time so don't really know what it's like. And my blood tests for OC are coming back clear... So now I'm scared I won't be induced, so worried about how I know I'm in labour, what does a mucus plug look like, what does a contraction feel like?
I've kinda packed my hospital bag. Well I have a big carrier bag which I'm chucking things in as I remember them. But have just written a list of things I need to add. Which ill do tomorrow as I think the panic has set in confused now. However will not pack as much as i did last time. Lol

Oh crap. In having another baby.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 27-Aug-13 22:00:27

GT grin And I shall put some fizzy wine to chill for when it's all over.

Kyz Tue 27-Aug-13 22:03:36

bplp he was only having a couple of oz after lunch so I was going to drop it, but the past two days he's not eaten lunch well but drank the bottle which threw me a bit! Which is why I'm not sure what to do for the best

gt gosh really not long now! You'll know, it fucking hurts!

Pikz Tue 27-Aug-13 22:06:53

Arrrghhhh just got into bed and can hear him stirring. Please self settle. Please.

GT can't believe the time is nearly here!!!

TheDetective Tue 27-Aug-13 22:11:45

GT It is likely it will be easier this time. Well, quicker at least grin.

I still can't believe people are having babies! grin

I'm definitely waiting forever.

Do a live birth thread. But can you make it in the next 3 weeks please?! So I don't have to go to the loo at work to get an update!

No bomb dropping noises here grin. Actually, that's not true. When he has a nappy on, he makes a right old straining noise. Given the Gaviscon. Minus the nappy - deadly silent. Fucker!

Kyz Glad E likes ham! O refused the egg I made him for lunch today. So he got a breadstick (of which I don't know who got more, him or the dog) and a small fruit pot. <Shrugs> He's a big boy. I'm not worried if he takes small amounts. I worry if he takes too much grin.

I must take him to be weighed this week. He suddenly feels very very heavy, and his tummy has gone podgy!

Oh! We tried the plan today - of giving half a bottle in his sippy in the morning, with the other half on his breakfast. It did not go well. He cried like crazy in between every mouthful of breakfast, because he had heard the fridge open, and the bottle be prepared hmm. The bottle was demanded....

ChasingDaisy Tue 27-Aug-13 22:23:48

Yay to moving babies! As F and O are both a week older than my O I shall be baby-proofing my new place as soon as I move in!

GT you're 36 weeks?! shock Yes to live birth thread! I think 9 months is enough time to have lapsed for us to be able to re-live our labours without being traumatised grin You seem to be coping remarkably well, I really love your attitude to life smile Speaking of which, 9 months ago today O was 2 hours away from being born --and I had a fucking ace epidural so was happy as larry--smile

Tonight I have been the subject of one of 'those' FB statuses. You know, the passive aggressive 'X has really pissed me off but I won't mention their name or dare say it to their face' type status. So I commented on it acting all oblivious and pretending to be very concerned about her. Stoopid cowbag.

Chiropractor was ace. He realigned my pelvis hmm Apparently common in ex horse riders, of which I am one. He also did some work on my jaw/neck/shoulder tension and I had some acupuncture. Was so relaxing that I nearly fell asleep. The chiropractor has two half Chinese kids too so O was a big hit.

ChasingDaisy Tue 27-Aug-13 22:24:30

Det O drops food to the dog too. Best thing ever here!

Kirrin Tue 27-Aug-13 22:30:41

Hi chocolate smile

Yuck detective You need the jet wash on standby!

cuddles to L and J - hope they and you are doing ok Pikz and VQ*

Kyz N had a couple of days like that last week - she'd eat easy sweet stuff like yogurt but if it had even a hint of a lump she didn't want to know. She was a bit snotty, but nothing major, but it must have been that as she is now back to wolfing down anything she's given. Try not to stress about it too much - easier said than done I know.

please do a live birth thread GT smile I can't believe you're so close.

I hate those FB statuses chasing - has she responded?!

N had her first proper tantrum today. She took one of DD1's toys and was in serious danger of hitting herself in the face with it so I took it off her - absolute meltdown. It was like her little world had caved in. She was really cross grin

ChasingDaisy Tue 27-Aug-13 22:37:58

kirrin we had a similar meltdown over blueberries today grin

Chocolatestain Tue 27-Aug-13 22:38:44

Thank you for your welcomes and hope everyone has a good night.
Detyour poo story had me in creases. An open tube of foundation is the worst D has had in his mouth so far, but you've filled me with dread for what may yet happen!

PurplePidjin Tue 27-Aug-13 22:42:19

R has fallen in love with Grampy's apples from the tree in the garden, but shop ones have to be pureed hmm i cut into quarters, core, halve the quarter, peel, halve again. They're tiny so one slice is about 2 mouthfuls.

It's his christening in 2 1/2 weeks. I think I'm doing it wrong. MIL has made the cake. My aunt is going to decorate it. My gran is making a lemon drizzle for the ones who don't like fruit cake. My mum's doing sandwiches and quiche. All i have to do is show up with baby, fetch MIL the day before and possibly pick a friend up before the service confused aren't these things meant to be mega stressful? There's 30 ish people coming!

Kirrin Tue 27-Aug-13 22:47:36

chasing Did he go all red and cute looking grin

izzybizzybuzzybees Tue 27-Aug-13 23:23:15


Welcome choc. We've went for pouches, hope I'm taking enough. J has only started solids in the last week or two! Many issues going on.

I have a hair appt tomorrow for cut and colour! Di looking forward to it, it's in a fancy aveda salon!

TheDetective Tue 27-Aug-13 23:49:12

My head is overloaded with shit.

Not actual shit. I'll leave that in the domain of my son... hmm

I can't switch off. hmm

I'm currently looking for christmas presents for the entire family...

I just found this, might be of use for someone?! www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/3653296.htm

Also reserved some soft skittles from Argos for £2.99.

ValiumQueen Tue 27-Aug-13 23:54:20

I have been meaning to suggest that very thing for you Det. I too am Christmas shopping and now have all 98 of DD1s ruddy books. Shame she earlier said she was going off them, after reading 30 odd! Rainbow fucking Magic!

J asleep on my chest. Multiple failed transfers already sad

TheDetective Tue 27-Aug-13 23:56:56

Crazy christmas shopping ladies...! grin

Great minds eh wink

Go in your cot J, or FC won't come!

Did it work?!

ValiumQueen Wed 28-Aug-13 00:07:02

It did work thank you grin not sure how long for though so I am going to attempt sleep. In my bed.

My mum has given J a vintage push along/ride on horsey and it is divine smile Js preferred position is standing as of a couple of days ago so it will come in handy and with DD2 sitting on it, it should not run away from him.

Sweet dreams all x

TheDetective Wed 28-Aug-13 00:15:03

Run like the wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind VQ!

ValiumQueen Wed 28-Aug-13 00:17:40

And you go the fuck to sleep too Detective grin Dream of sale shopping with a wad of someone else's cash.

TheDetective Wed 28-Aug-13 00:21:55

My Dad's cash. grin

All of it.


StuntNun Wed 28-Aug-13 01:48:22

Welcome Choc.

I took the three boys to the zoo today so we had a good day out apart from the rain.

I told DS1 and DS2 that Tuesday was the last day of the school holidays and tomorrow is back to school. It isn't at all, school doesn't start until Thursday. So I'm going to wake then up tomorrow and tell them they actually have one more day of holiday! What would you do with an extra day of holiday?

GT all three of my deliveries were wildly different in terms of knowing they were starting, the amount of pain, the type of pain relief I used, etc. so try not to get too hung up on what happened with H as this one may be completely different. You may want to decide what you want regarding sweeps and internals seeing as that was an issue for you last time. I'm sure you will find things a lot easier with having your babies so close together. I found Juju Sunjin's Birth Skills very useful for labour but I know it's a bit woo for some people.

ValiumQueen Wed 28-Aug-13 02:16:55

1.5 hours and now vomit and a temp of over 39. Bugger

GTbaby Wed 28-Aug-13 02:23:28

Thanks stunt. Will add that to my list at the library.

VQ oh no! Has he been unwell all day? Sry haven't read back far.

ValiumQueen Wed 28-Aug-13 02:46:12

Yes. He was meant to be having another intro at nursery but was up last night from 2.15 after only sleeping 3 hours. He was shattered and very grumpy this morning, and woke from his nap with a fever at 2pm. He is asleep now on me and has so far kept PCM down, and that is bringing his temp down slowly. In the last two nights I have had about 4.5 hours sleep in total.

Is it the inside baby or the outside baby keeping you awake GT?

GTbaby Wed 28-Aug-13 03:08:53

VQ hope your sleeping now. I don't recall are you co sleeping? Or could you? So you can snooze between checking on him?

It's inside baby keeping me awake. Or it could be the ice cream I are. Or my snoring fh....

ValiumQueen Wed 28-Aug-13 03:19:27

It is very uncomfy at this late stage. I remember it well. Hope you get to sleep soon x

J is finally asleep on his changing mat on the floor in the lounge. We did co-sleep for the first 12 weeks only. It would not work now and the risk of vomit is too high too. I will try to nap on the sofa. Thankfully DH is off tomorrow so I will be able to sleep then. I must admit I have been quite worried about him tonight so will go to GP tomorrow. Poor wee lamb.

GTbaby Wed 28-Aug-13 03:30:14

Nn vq. I'm putting down MN in the hope I fall asleep with boredom.

ValiumQueen Wed 28-Aug-13 04:16:54

He slept all of 10 minutes. Just taken 3oz and asleep on me. I will wake DH at 5.30 if I can last that long.

ValiumQueen Wed 28-Aug-13 05:22:10

Just woke DH to take over. J still very hot and sad. DH asked for a minute. I said no as he would fall asleep again. He said he would not. I have shared a bed with him for 10 years so I know! He is up. He is not happy. I am going to try to catch a few winks. Not easy when I can hear J crying hmm

Lily311 Wed 28-Aug-13 06:16:05

Hugs vq. O has just woken up, it's an an hour ahead of UK time. She has gained speed overnight! Fuck!

ValiumQueen Wed 28-Aug-13 07:34:03

Thank you Lily. I got a couple of hours. J is still measuring 39.5 hmm

PennieLane Wed 28-Aug-13 07:46:51

I'm so sorry to hear about J VQ we're just starting to come out of things here. It's scary and horrible seeing them so ill. Hope all goes well at GPs and he's able to help and you're able to get some sleep today.thanks

Chocolatestain Wed 28-Aug-13 08:17:02

Sorry you had such a rough night VQ. The double misery of sleep deprivation and worrying over a poorly baby is a killer. Hope J perks up today.

Christmas shopping already - you ladies are so organised. I'm a bit if a last-minute panic Amazon trawler.

D developed a new skill this morning. He turned the telly on and found the CBeebies channel (not what DH and I had it tuned into last night I can assure you). I have a highly advanced, 9 month old telly addict, I'm such a proud mummy! (His other very advanced skill, according to the milestones charts, was playing with his genitalia at a very young age.)

TheDetective Wed 28-Aug-13 10:37:00

grin Chocolatestain that's frickin' awesome!

VQ sad Fuck me. When will it end for you? sad biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit biscuit in fact, a whole packet of them for your brew. smile

TheDetective Wed 28-Aug-13 10:39:57

You know I said I'd probably cursed myself talking about sleep the other day? Yeah? Well. I did.

What a dickhead.

5am start, and shitty fucking napping going on here.

We have had baba, mama, gaga, and hiya plus standing up and then clapping himself for doing it. Plus his wicked mischievous face as he stood there so very pleased.

And it's 9 month sleep regression territory. hmm

So I'm blaming everything else grin.

MissMummy1 Wed 28-Aug-13 11:14:56

Hi chocstain

Just more hugs VQ

GT I still cannot get my head around the fact you are 36 weeks!!!!!

We had a rubbish night but I don't feel like I can complain as DP was fab and made bottles while I fed her etc. He also let me lie in till 10am shock. So now I am mooching around my kitchen making bacon and pancakes. grin

He finally had his MRI yesterday - I don't think I said before but the reason he couldn't have it at his first appointment is he had failed to mention beforehand he has shotgun shrapnel in one eye so had to wait for xrays etc first. He also has a shiny new job being the boss of everyone on the river that his bosses have negotiated for him as he is not allowed back to sea for the foreseeable. Thank fuck, savings run out next week.

RE xmas/birthdays I have bought a few bits and pieces and the main 'big things' when I had more cash.

MissMummy1 Wed 28-Aug-13 11:34:03

Oh and I meant to post my bargain last night! In tesco with the sleep dodger. Using our store's new 'scan and shop' thingy - basically you scan and pack your shoppig as you go round then just dock the machine and pay at the end I am easily amused okay grin . Anyway, stage 3 EK tomato and veg pasta pouches, reduced to £1.60. Just those ones. Scanned them and they came through at 42p!! So I bet the last 7. blush She better bloody like them or we will be eating them hmm

MissMummy1 Wed 28-Aug-13 11:34:39

bet? bought

GTbaby Wed 28-Aug-13 11:52:22

QQ does ikea have baby food heat facility?

ValiumQueen Wed 28-Aug-13 12:07:30


ValiumQueen Wed 28-Aug-13 12:08:03

A quick answer for you GTsmile

GTbaby Wed 28-Aug-13 15:00:16

Thanks VQ. I looked online and could see any info. And knew the quiche would know the answer!

Lo is all fed and is napping in his pram! First time in ages we have managed that. And we are sat in pizza express yum yum grin

Bryzoan Wed 28-Aug-13 16:53:16

grin chocs, my g is also very good at grabbing his todge. Gets down there like lightening as soon as the nappy is off. Amazing reflexes...

I am thinking of inventing a baby straight jacket. Keeping him on his mat while I change a dirty nappy is becoming nigh on impossible. He is strong now and determined to parade his soiled nether regions around the bedroom. Not good.

Sorry for your awful night vq. Hope j is better today and / or you made it to the docs.

Woah gt - 36 weeks already?!? Loads of luck. You will know when you are in labour - and you will be brilliant. Looking forward to reading a beautiful birth story - I am feeling strangely jealous!

Mm your tesco shop sounds a bit like making a John Lewis wedding list!

Chocolatestain Wed 28-Aug-13 17:48:06

Ah, but the joy of a John Lewis wedding list is that other people pay (and you get a free cuppa - I love John Lewis).

I'll be first in line for the baby strait jacket when you've invented it, Bryzoan. I'm actually quite relieved when D goes for a todge fondle during a nappy change as at least it holds his attention or a while - as long as I'm nifty enough with the wet wipes to wipe the poo off before he gets his hands on it.

Hope J is feeling better today, VQ, and you all get a better night.

ChasingDaisy Wed 28-Aug-13 19:41:49

FFS. Oscar won't go to fucking sleep. Been trying for over an hour. He never does this. My back can't cope and I'm about to lose it so I've left him pissing about in his cot.

Bryzoan Wed 28-Aug-13 19:55:04

Same here chasing. Dd is in her room behind a stair gate noisily chanting "down down down" and I am smiling because she has at least found her voice a bit even if it is noisy and monotonous. G is wriggling and whinging, refusing feeds but trying to bite my t shirt and being a general pickle. He is doing loads at the moment but sleep is sooo uncool as far as he is concerned. Ach - I am starting to believe in that 9 month sleep regression.

Bryzoan Wed 28-Aug-13 19:56:34

And I want a lift for his cot. Getting him in and out is a killer. Has anyone ever designed a cot that is not back breaking?

Brockle Wed 28-Aug-13 19:57:02

I absolutely believe in 9 month sleep regression, as does Yousef who is wide awake and blowing me kisses!

ChasingDaisy Wed 28-Aug-13 20:01:37

I am a new convert to the 9 month sleep regression. O is 9 months today hmm Finally in bed, thank fuck.

I miss PR

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 28-Aug-13 20:17:58

Same here chasing O has a little cold which has resulted in a tickley cough and every time he drops off the cough wakes him. Usually I get him up and let him play when this happens, but we are knacked, so I am playing hardball. And just as I write this it seems to be working. He has just had a coughing incident and not gone ballistic.


(Our floor downstairs in concrete and we can't have it tiled till .october when it dries out so my feet are freezio. (We have had it sealed to keep out the dust)

fruitpastilles Wed 28-Aug-13 20:20:40

The 9 month sleep regression definitely exists and don't I know it hmm

Passmethecrisps Wed 28-Aug-13 20:50:21

Hello ladies.

Quiet at the moment.

Nothing to say really. Just saying hi.

Feeling a bit weird today. A bit morose. I quite enjoy a bit of morosity sometimes to be honest. Wee bit of navel gazing. Think this is dragging on a bit though. Feeling a bit on a sidelines of everything. Not really special to anyone. Just there. Ach well.

Anyway. I have just spent a happy held hour hoking through a bag of what we have worked out are 4th hand clothes. They are gorgeous and at first purchase very expensive. Lots of fabulous colours. I can't wait for p to be big enough to wear them. I was having a wee smile to myself earlier thinking 1st wear they will have been lovingly and carefully washed and pressed by the nanny. Second and third wears they will have been lovingly and carefully washed and pressed by the mum and granny. 4th wear they will be shoved in the washing machine and worn wrinkled!

Passmethecrisps Wed 28-Aug-13 20:50:46

Home is where your slippers are sophia.

Pikz Wed 28-Aug-13 20:56:42

9 month regression with teething = hell

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 28-Aug-13 21:05:21

Oh no pikz will wine help.

Hopefully pass they are here somewhere! I bought doe nice new scuff from moschulu and am excited to wear.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 28-Aug-13 21:05:41


Kyz Wed 28-Aug-13 21:13:16


E did well at lunch today, had a quiche, and tried blueberries (halved) for the first time, ate 19 halves! Along with 7 sizeable strawberries and 5 raspberries. Sure does love his berries! He also has discovered he can stand without holding on to anything for about 10-15 seconds whenver he feels like it. Scares the crap outta me!

Det I should probably stop worrying if E takes a small amount too, given that he is quite a big lad and is clearly doing ok for himself and capable of working out what he wants and what he doesn't!

Glad going to the chiropracter helped chasing smile

kirrin we are getting some tantrums here too. Usually over a whole lot of nothing and i'm not sure what to do with them?!? It's usually because he's told no when it comes to poking fingers in sockets/grabbing for hot drinks etc. I move him away and get a mahoosive screaming fit, sometimes for a few seconds, sometimes with tears and a paddy for a few minutes. No idea what to do or if it's normal or what! He gets really cross too!

Sounds like you've got a good handle on the christening pp smile

thanks for the skittles tip det sent dp for some today, will put them up for birthday or xmas

sorry for such a shite night vq and that j is so poorly again sad it's so fucking unfair!!!

choc that's pretty skilled!

Took e about an hour to finally go to sleep tonight too! Most unusual. fucking regressions. We had better not have a 5am tomorrow morning!

I am going to SW tomorrow. I am starting eating 'properly' on friday. I will do this, oh yes i fucking well cunting will!

Pass you are special to us smile so there! It has been quiet on here I've noticed. Maybe we should talk more? I know i've been busier of late so haven't been able to post as much.

pikz not good! sad

sophia oooh noes, not cold feet! hope you find your slippers!

Pikz Wed 28-Aug-13 21:19:04

Hope you find your slippers Sophia... Otherwise I'll send you mine grin

Pass I too don't mind some naval gazing... Just make sure there is a wine in there for you

Vq how are J and you?

Pennie I hope things are still improving.

Choco your LO sounds mega advanced! Aces!

Is o now asleep det?

Mm yay for DP job and hope your getting some sleep now

GT hope you had double dough balls!

Bry when you invent the baby straight jacket can I buy one?

Chasing hope O stays asleep now and Y is brockle and mini fruit, mummy fruit

Kirrin we too get tantrums... I have no idea how to stop them

Christening sounds ace PP

Oooh and all that with no swearing so happy cunting Wednesday ( that was especially for PR)

Donnadoon Wed 28-Aug-13 21:21:02

Again kyz I frickkin love your summaries grin
I think these mobile babies are wearing us out, today my little flower pulls herself up on the kitchen bar stools and the empty kitchen bin and needless to say they toppled over with her. She is not crawling in the kitchen again, apart from it not being the most hygienic floor in the world...
Anyhoo VQ How's your boy?
I'm 14 weeks tomorrow and not feeling sick like death anymore, woohoo!

YellowWellies Wed 28-Aug-13 21:21:36

Struggling to keep up!

Pass big squeeze and offer of a melancholy wee dram. You're the closest most special thing in the world to P.

GT I had j at 36 weeks - wow can't believe you're there already.

Where's PR? I miss her posts.

MM good saving skillz. smile

We're off to see a litter of pups tomorrow. We've had our name down with the breeder since Easter. V excited. They're border terriers. We figure I'm working from home for the next 5 years, walk 5+ miles every day and have our own place to wreck hmmm maybe better in rented!!! so there's never going to be a better time to get one.

Donnadoon Wed 28-Aug-13 21:22:05

Ooooh pikz your summary is brill too grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 28-Aug-13 21:24:45

Is there such a thing as a safe plug in night light? Is so dark here. Is for me not the boys blush

MissMummy1 Wed 28-Aug-13 21:26:09

YW puppies are fab! Aulay has been an absolute breeze compared to what I had expected. Toilet trained within a weekend and now has a firm understanding of his/Matilda's space. You need to come and meet him!

MissMummy1 Wed 28-Aug-13 21:27:00

His only crime to date is the decapitation of my scarecrow angry angry angry

MM It will get harder when he starts teething and chewing everything in sight, believe me. C put my brush through the bars in the dog crate yesterday and the bloody dog ate it then gave C his tennis ball in return grin

9 month sleep regression definitely exists and don't I know it.

GT so exciting! As others have said, don't get too hung up on H's birth, each one is different and is no indication of what will happen this time. Your body knows what to do now and it should be a bit speedier if nothing else.

It was my first day back at work today. The less said about it the better. Wish I didn't have to go back. My baby plans are on hold at the moment. I'm on medication (nothing serious - skin disorder) which means I have to take contraception as it could be harmful to the baby if taken when pregnant. But I have had the discussion with DP and he is open to trying whenever I'm ready grin so perhaps when I've finished this course of tablets and lost a bit more weight.

ValiumQueen Wed 28-Aug-13 21:57:15

Not caught up but just checking in so you do not worry. J is not a happy bunny and neither am I, but we are surviving. Gonna try to get a bit of sleep now c

PurplePidjin Wed 28-Aug-13 22:01:10

<waves wearily>

Been to dn's 6th birthday - that's my ILs 2 hours drive away. Fab time. Hate motorways. Love the lovely family. Lots of bouncy noisy kids and adults wanting cuddles from a very amenable R as most of them saw me last year very pregnant and the year before as dp's new(ish) girlfriend smile

Turns out i need to marzipan and ice the cake, so not off scot free. Any tips? cake

Kyz Wed 28-Aug-13 22:04:23

glad you're not feeling crappy now donna smile

ooooh more puppyness! lovely yw

not sure sophia sorry

ah sad apple sad sorry it wasn't great. Hope it gets better smile good luck with the babymaking stuff soon too smile I so want another, but can't just yet. also need to lose a little metric fucktonne weight for starters!

Pikz Wed 28-Aug-13 22:08:25

Ooohhh more puppies for YW!

Donna glad to hear you are feeling better. Am a little bit jealous as I loved being preggers from about 14 weeks onwards. Apple I want another now, but must be patient til April.

Sophia lindam do them.

Kyz, hope your ok and good luck with slimming world.

Vq and J just huge huge hugs xx

Pikz Wed 28-Aug-13 22:09:19

PP don't over handle either... Use cot flour for rolling both out and remember they shrink back when drying.

TheDetective Wed 28-Aug-13 22:11:07

So much to say. No energy to say it.

Will settle with hello and if you want to encourage your baby to walk, take them to a soft play. We aren't going back!!!

PurplePidjin Wed 28-Aug-13 22:16:21

What's cot flour? confused

MsJupiterJones Wed 28-Aug-13 22:17:10

Thinking of you and J VQ xx

daisychain76 Wed 28-Aug-13 22:18:14

Evening, supposed to be packing for a family break in Llandudno tomorrow, but have given up. Gt my MW with dd (my 2nd) made me laugh. She said “we don‘t say this at the time, but with your first baby the birth can be horrific. Second time round is usually a lot better“. And, in my experience, she was totally right smile (of course, she didn‘t mention 3rd babies...!)

Pass hope the moroseness is short lived. l find some brisk walking always helps me feel better.

Sorry to hear about all the 9 month regressions. l can say, with 2 months hindsight, it definitely passes but not soon enough

H has a huge bump on his forehead from launching himself over dh (who was lying down) onto our very unbaby friendly parqeut flooring. Has clearly not learned from it as has spent the whole day pulling himself up on various unstable objects (dd, toy pram, etc), trying to pull cats tail and generally hurling himself round in between eating any paper he can find. I am still a bit jealous of gt and donna tho!

Pidg is it plain icing or a themed sort of cake?

Pikz Wed 28-Aug-13 22:24:05

Corn sorry PP. stupid autocorrect.

Kirrin Wed 28-Aug-13 22:34:23

Just catching up quickly...

VQ I can't believe there is yet more illness in your house sad Poor J - hope he's feeling better and hope you get some sleep tonight.

chocolate I also have a telly addict, though admittedly not one that can turn it on herself smile Put her anywhere in the vicinity of a tv and she seems to develop a very flexible neck and goggle eyes grin

Great news about DP's new job mm What a relief smile Hope the MRI went ok.

Boo hiss to returning to work apple wine

My knowledge of cakes only extends as far as eating them pidj so I can't help you I'm afraid.

Hope you're not feeling too morose pass We love hearing from you - you're not on the edge here thanks

Love border terriers YW smile

Morose doesn't cover it for me at the moment - thoroughly fed up is closer, though I don't really know why. bedtime is getting later and later and I'm getting more and more stressed about it. and I keep snapping at poor DD1 when she's just being 2. Every day I vow I'll be good and patient and everyday it gets to bedtime and I have absolutely had enough and lose my rag. I've just had to go and cuddle her while she's sleeping - I hope she doesn't hate me.

On the positive side, I am going riding for the first time in adages tomorrow smile

Hmm.. I appear to have been paid too much. Do I query or keep schtum in case they underpay me next month? It could possibly be correct because it says I have paid £0 PAYE and I understand when you return to work after mat leave you get back the tax you have overpaid through your payslip. Am I right in thinking that or am I making it up? Having said that my gross pay on my payslip is what I should be paid for 5 days and I'm only doing 4 days since returning. I'm confused confused

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 28-Aug-13 23:11:58

Quick catch up. The stupid bloody antibiotics gave me a rash but the alternative according to the dr was another set of pills that will give me a dodgy tummy so i'll stick with the rash I think. DH tooks the girls out for the day and they had a whale of a time. Got train to london, went to lunch on the southbannk then got bus to greenwich, played in the park and got dlr and train home. They were both exhausted and DD1 asked to go to bed at 6.45pm. I should be ill more often or fake illness so I actually get to enjoy the time to myself. Anyway think I'm on the mend.

I mainly came on to say kirrin Please don't be so hard on yourself. I reguarly used to lose it at bed times. I was forever saying that I'd be more patient the next day but the same struggles/battles/tantrums would occur and I'd snap. But for a good while now things have been much better. I'm not really sure what's changed. Perhaps we just settled in our routine. Or I know DD1 goes in waves of naughtiness and that one has passed for a bit only to rear it's head at a later date. Whatever reason I just wanted to give you hope and say you're not the only one who has experienced this. And your DD1 does not hate you, far from it.

pass sorry for moroseness hanging about. Hope it disapears. I love your normally chipper quirky posts. You make me smile a lot. Hope you are smiling very soon.

More hugs for vq and lovely J.

Kirrin Wed 28-Aug-13 23:22:42

Thank you eliza smile
Hope you're feeling better thanks Sounds like your girls had a lovely day smile