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November 2012 - To sterilise or not to sterilise (bottles that is)

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StuntNun Tue 13-Aug-13 19:44:18
Lily311 Tue 13-Aug-13 19:46:35

Yes till October. A trip to London will end my sterilisation journey.

BettyandDon Tue 13-Aug-13 19:52:54

My DD was born 26.11. We have stopped sterilising bottles. I even wondered today whether I could move her on to cows milk rather than formula as she is eating like a horse (well more than my 3 yr old). She is my 2nd and lets just say I am a little more relaxed!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 13-Aug-13 19:57:01

Welcome to the quiche Betty

Nope; here they have moved against sterilising even from newborn (as long as dishwashered or washed in hot water) but I stopped at 6 months

Pikz Tue 13-Aug-13 19:57:09

I want to stop but am a scaredy cat!

ValiumQueen Tue 13-Aug-13 20:03:15

Bottles and me done.

fruitpastilles Tue 13-Aug-13 20:40:52

I still do, don't know why I bother though with all the crap she puts in her mouth!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 13-Aug-13 20:41:21

grin VQ

Sterilise here, she remains a slave to her innards so don't want to upset things (potentially) more than they already are...

Passmethecrisps Tue 13-Aug-13 20:43:33

Oh! VQ's comment reminded me. I needs to get me some contraception.

Can't cope with progesterone. Can't have oestrogen. What to do??

PetiteRaleuse Tue 13-Aug-13 20:51:21

Ooh DH is done but is wimping out of the post snip test hmm ; is jerking off into a jar that bloody hard?

Pass not sure what type it was but cerazette is freaking evil. Avoid. No more hormones going my way until I need the menopause stuff. Snippety snip.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 13-Aug-13 20:56:59

Pass if you find the answer let me know. Cerezette killed my sex drive. It is a wonder F was conceived at all quite frankly. Although I still haven't had a period. I stopped feeding F weeks ago, and only fed her once a day for weeks prior to that hmm

MissMummy1 Tue 13-Aug-13 21:58:40

Dishwasher has been sterilising stuff for us for the past fortnight, no ill effects to date.

Contraception? Argh. I fell pregnant on the combined pill - despite neurotically taking it at the same time of day, every sodding day - and now have the implant. I have bled constantly for three months since having it fitted (bar two days..) and am giving it another 2 months before demanding the thing is removed. Sorry I am not much help, but I am eagerly awaiting an answer too!

ChasingDaisy Tue 13-Aug-13 22:11:02

I dont get on well with hormonal contraceptions at all so I am contraception free at the moment. Not that I need any.

I don't have a dishwasher and I find washing the bottles takes the most time so I may as well bung them in the steriliser too.

Lily I'm really looking forward to hopefully meeting you and O in October smile

PurplePidjin Tue 13-Aug-13 22:41:34

Boobs here, the toys get the occasional once over with Milton spray homemade from cheapie tablets <lazy>

Welcome Betty smile

Anyone else not going to bother with formula? I figure I've made it this far so might as well go straight to cows at 1, or boobjuice at bedtime, as it's easier. He feeds 5-6 times a day for 5 occasionally 10 minutes a time so it's not a huge palaver good excuse to sit down with a coffee is that normal for bf?

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 13-Aug-13 22:55:20

Feeling the need to move O to beaker, all my others had their milk from a beaker by now. O will drink water himself from one but milk? Nooooo. What to do?

StuntNun Wed 14-Aug-13 04:59:53

Pidj J has 4-6 breastfeeds a day. I think he could manage on less food wise but he likes to feed to sleep which is convenient for me for the moment. By now my other two boys had self-weaned so I'm playing it by ear as to how long to continue. He's not keen on formula but I wouldn't want to bf him any longer than 18 months.

Lily311 Wed 14-Aug-13 05:11:28

sophia O refuses the beaker. Even with water. I switch when she is 1, will throw all the bottles away.

No contraception here. We didn't use any for 8 years, always said we would be happy with baby. Actively tried for 2.5 years before I fall pregnant with O (had a mc 4 months before that). If I ever see any actions again I will not use anything. I am desperately broody for another.

chasing same here. I can't wait to go back to the UK.

ChasingDaisy Wed 14-Aug-13 05:21:24

I am also getting broody again now confused

MissMummy1 Wed 14-Aug-13 09:13:06

I am not broody. except where puppies are concerned blush Never have been. I adore M and, although I wouldn't rule out another in 4/5+ years time, I feel so blessed having her in my life. She is the absolute centre of my world and if I never have any more, then I am totally okay with that.

StuntNun Wed 14-Aug-13 09:17:37

I want another baby and a puppy <pout>

Pikz Wed 14-Aug-13 09:17:49

I'm on cerazette and seem ok on it.

I am desperate for another...but need to go back to work. If we get a wedding planned for April DP says we can start trying on honeymoon....but if its anything like this one could take 18months or longer!

StuntNun Wed 14-Aug-13 09:17:55

DH says no hmm

MissMummy1 Wed 14-Aug-13 09:30:39

Stunt there are still two springador bitches left in fife wink

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 09:50:25

Pikz I hope you will start lots of entertaining AIBU bridezilla threads for our entertainment wink

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Wed 14-Aug-13 10:02:48

Am still sterilising bottles. DH going for the snip.

StuntNun Wed 14-Aug-13 10:05:17

A sprigador sounds like too much for me to handle. I have had my name down with a German Shorthaired Pointer breeder for about two years but he hasn't managed to breed his bitch yet. I'll probably end up with another Lab tbh but I'm not sure when will be the right time for DH if ever.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 10:32:56

Aaaaaaaaaaggggghhhhhhh I had a brilliant last post.


MsJupiterJones Wed 14-Aug-13 10:38:38

Hello new thread.

We are sterilising bottles, dummies and sippy cup (steam, once a day). He only has boiled water, are others giving straight from the tap?

MsJupiterJones Wed 14-Aug-13 10:39:49

ps sorry PR!

PennieLane Wed 14-Aug-13 10:45:52

I'm still sterilising, we don't have a dishwasher. Bit she only has two bottles a day so not a massive faff. Will only take water from cup, but now she has teeth I guess I need to make more effort to stop the bottles . That might be my challenge for next month!

We will start trying for another late next year though at the moment I'm so tired it seems like madness!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 11:04:27

I hereby reserve the end of this thread for a swearing extravaganza.

StuntNun Wed 14-Aug-13 11:14:07

Yep just tap water here JJ.

ValiumQueen Wed 14-Aug-13 11:33:53

Just tap water here. When bf I went straight to cows milk at 11.5 months but not an option with J so will be on formula for as long as I can get it. Will try him on other non dairy milks for drinks at 1 and phase in. Will likely keep bedtime bottle for a while.

I must admit I would love more babies but I am far too old and cannot afford the ones we have. I feel our family is complete but would still love more. We hope to foster when J starts school.

MissMummy1 Wed 14-Aug-13 11:38:12

My client was due here at 11. Got text 5 mins ago, 'slept in b ther soon'. I am fuming at the rudeness (not the first time). AIBU to charge the full 2 hours he is booked for and cancel future lessons? I am damned if I am missing M's swimming lessons and working past 1pm angry angry angry

ditsygem Wed 14-Aug-13 11:47:44

MM def charge for the full two hours and just work up 1, that is the time they were booked for.

I am totally not at all broody. I really always thought I would have 2 or 3 babies, I even chose my pram based on the idea I would need to convert it to a double fairly quickly, but I just can't think of anything worse at the moment! I love F so much - he really is the centre of my world but I have struggled so much this time, I can't imagine doing it again, and with an older child to look after too! I think I must be too selfish. Poor DH, I think he would like another one in time but I keep telling him I just can't see myself changing my mind.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 11:48:12

mm when I was coaching the session finished on time, whatever time it started, and I always billed for the full amount. I also requested 48 hours notice for cancellation (whatever the circumstances) otherwise I billed the full session too.

I would bill the full session today, and remind oF the rules for the future. If you don't have them written into t&c then you should look into adding them.

You are a professional and deserve to be treated as such. Turning up late is disrespectful to you and any other clients you may have had booked later on. Obviously if you were late you would do the full two hours or just bill for what you did.

ValiumQueen Wed 14-Aug-13 12:51:50

MM charge full two hours and finish on time. I would not cancel future sessions though.

ValiumQueen Wed 14-Aug-13 12:53:47

Ditsy do not feel bad for not wanting another one yet. Also do not completely write the idea off of having more. After having DD1 I was convinced I would never ever have any more, same after DD2. Our little ones are only 9 months old. Be easy on yourself.

Brockle Wed 14-Aug-13 13:03:59

Can someone tell Yousef to take his milk from a bottle so I can bloody well sterilise some??

PennieLane Wed 14-Aug-13 13:29:19

Sorry pr!

ditsygem Wed 14-Aug-13 13:33:10

Thanks VQ

pp I'm not bothering with formula. When I go back next week M will just have water and then boob when she's with me. I figure ill switch to cows milk somehow after one.

What would happen if she was to have the odd cup of milk now?

I also had other questions to ask but can't remember confused

YellowWellies Wed 14-Aug-13 14:55:15

Dishwasher here for his one or two sippy cups a week of formula (to keep him used to nutramigen when I wean at 1).

As for contraception - we're trying to get updiffed from next month onwards so if it happened now it wouldn't really matter so we're not using anything (but not actively trying in tune with my cycle either). But I've only had one period and I'm not sure I'm ovulating yet due to BF so not sure when it'll happen. It'll be a while till I'm in tune with my cycle again I think.

Physically Jonas feels like the centre of my world as thanks to BF he's such a constant (often literally clinging onto me) but emotionally I wouldn't want him to feel like that as it's a lot of pressure. I went to uni with a girl who's Mum nicknamed her lolbob (love of my life and breath of my body - there was a lot of pressure it seemed in that relationship, she was the only child of a divorced Mum). So I'm maybe more wary of saying stuff like that than I should be???

Today is really odd I'm working on my laptop on my sister's bed whilst he plays downstairs, I'm going down to see him every half hour but I still feel like I've lost a limb. I know he's with my twin sister and in the same house as me but I feel a bit out of touch with him - I can't imagine leaving him somewhere other than where I am. We haven't been apart for longer than 2.5 hours since he was born and that's only been like 3 times...I don't know how folks manage to get back into hobbies and sports etc requiring extended time apart - I guess FF is the difference? haha.. I think I might be the one with separation anxiety grin.

It has made me realise that it is such a tough time (developmentally) for folks to go back to work - so many changes and separation anxiety. I'm lucky these intensive few days of freelance work are going to be over by Tuesday. Then I'll have to prepare myself for 2 days a week apart come the end of October. Wah.

ChasingDaisy Wed 14-Aug-13 15:11:16

Afternoon quiche,

Having a lovely day here. My ex neighbour came to MK today so we could go to soft play together. O loved it and he is completely shattered so is napping well too. I am so glad I have managed to keep in touch with her, as I think she could become a very good friend. Plus O and her LO are the beat of friends. I love seeing them together. He is 10.5 months old. Any ideas of a good 1st birthday present for him?

Also got chatting to a lovely local guy courtesy of Det grin blush

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 15:25:37

They call me Cilla Black grin.

Have fun ;) Glad to be of service!

Having the day(s) from hell here.

Thought O couldn't top yesterday? Pissing on the dog, smashing the floor lamp (glass), pushing over the highchair?

Well today he vomited in my mouth when he went in for a eat kiss of my face. Then I went in to the kitchen for 3 minutes, to prepare a salad. So doesn't take long does it? I came back in to find shit EVERYWHERE. On O from head to toe, in his fingers, on the floor, on the DVD's he had pulled off the shelves, on his toys, several very tricky to clean toys hmm, and on the chair legs. Then the dog ran in behind me as I figured tackling a shit covered O would be the best course of action, but the dog had other ideas, and started eating the clumps of shit off the carpet.

Add to that, nap avoidance and being a right whingy beast, well. Fuck me.

PR I am sorry, I have not made it out the house to the PO yet, DP is going to Asda tonight, so I have instructed him to get an appropriate envelope and do the posting. grin I can only hope he doesn't fuck it up and write the wrong address on the envelope. grin Anyway, it is DEFINITELY getting sent today.

To top it off, I seem to have put weight on this week, and that makes me very pissed off!

Hmpf. Anyone want to cheer me up? Oh, and it's a everyone fed, nobody dead day here too. O has watched a mind bending level of In the Night Garden. blush

MissMummy1 Wed 14-Aug-13 15:25:50

YW ff makes no difference here, I still hate leaving M for any length of time. I actually feel we are closer now too since we switched to ff, as not only does she not see me as 'just food' but she isn't fighting me anymore except bedtime - bf was always such a battle for us towards the end sad

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 15:26:38

Oh yes, and the climbing. He has deliberately moved a toy to the side table, stood on it, and reached the things at the back he isn't allowed - another lamp hmm and a picture.

He is trying to climb everything right now.


PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 15:36:12

Detective thank you - tis a bank holiday here tomorrow (I forgot until this morning!) and it would have got stuck in the backlog at La Poste so it's best it is sent later rather than sooner.

Sorry about your shitty day.

Very intrigued about your matchmaking for Chasing

Both girls have been asleep for an hour. I have tried to sleep but not been able to. Only six hours to go until DH gets back. I hate the fact that he feels he has to compensate for not being in the office on a public holiday by working late the other days in the week. Surely normal people bunk off early on days before holidays and weekends?

ChasingDaisy Wed 14-Aug-13 15:39:57

Det that sounds hilarious challenging grin Was he nappy free at the time? I assume that O would have no trouble in removing his own nappies though?!

YellowWellies Wed 14-Aug-13 15:49:25

Noooo I didn't mean BF makes you closer MM I meant that FF allows you to be apart longer and have hobbies away from the baby that you can't do if baby is BF and a bottle refuser. I don't think how you feed impacts on the physical bond between Mum and baby one tiny teeny iota. Different strokes for different folks. But for example I couldn't go and do a day's marathon running if a BF Mum but I could if baby would feed from a bottle.

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 15:57:25

Yes he was Chasing! But yes he has removed his nappy before now. hmm

He's got a nasty lingering nappy rash, hence the amount of nappy free time lately.

Now, I don't care how fucking bad it gets, the nappy is staying on!

PR The day will soon be done, and tomorrow, DH can be on duty. smile

I am willing 6pm to come. DP is being thrown handed O the minute he comes through the door and I am fucking off to do my own thing for a bit. hmm

Oh, and my friend who lives in Northampton - well when she got married, I was there. I met her husbands best friends. The both live in MK. One is cute, and quite possibly single. The other is not so cute, and not so single grin. But both are lovely guys! I made a friend suggestion to both chasing and cute possibly single guy, and sat back and let them get on with it. grin

And he is - lovely. Great with kids, lovely to get on with, funny, all the things you want in a guy. He wasn't single when I met him. Annoyingly! grin

ChasingDaisy Wed 14-Aug-13 16:02:52

...and he has offered to take me out for a coffee so I can get reacquainted with MK...

ChasingDaisy Wed 14-Aug-13 16:06:12

Oh and I read the snail and the whale to O today. What a beautiful story <sniff>

YellowWellies Wed 14-Aug-13 16:11:01

Also I think the Mum = 'just dinner' sentiments start to subside at this age anyway as feeding intervals extend. Certainly I'm feeling much more appreciated as a person than just because of my rack. somedays!

ValiumQueen Wed 14-Aug-13 16:33:30

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TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 16:36:57

Thank you VQ grin.

I know O was sent to test every last bit of my patience. <sits on hands>

Feck knows what is wrong today, he's just been laughing his head off, then screaming hysterically in the same breath?!

2.5 hours. Bedtime. Thank fuck.

ValiumQueen Wed 14-Aug-13 16:43:07

I was just thinking it was probably a good thing the stork did not drop O with me or PR grin

ValiumQueen Wed 14-Aug-13 16:44:05

He is developing at such a rate Detective it is no wonder he is crying and laughing. He is one awesome little fella.

Brockle Wed 14-Aug-13 16:44:32

I think breaks from the norm, including away from mum, can help sometimes. it helps any separation anxiety and Y seems to show us new things when he has a change in carer or routine. I would love to be a sahm but actually I think he benefits from me going to work.

had first lego piece in mouth today shock all lego has been banished upstairs lets see how long that lasts

Y is calling "zak" in his own unique way to get ds2's attention. Extremely cute as he says it in the same way that I do smile

Home after hols which were very lovely but unfort got food poisoning thanks to BA. A nice long complaint letter due to them given that they changed the type of plane and our seat allocation and left half of our luggage in amman because they could not get the cargo doors to open angry easyjet next time I think

Pikz Wed 14-Aug-13 16:44:57

Det i am shock and laughing sorry hmm big brew and biscuit

Pr I promise some bridezilla moments just for you! I can't wait to see mil when she finds out we are eloping! First wedding dress shopping on sat.

Pikz Wed 14-Aug-13 16:49:03

Vq you are so right. L is the same det and then I realise in the short space of a month he has learnt to crawl properly, climb, stand, cruise etc

Brockle Wed 14-Aug-13 16:50:49

O needs to come over as Y is too docile and I need to see what needs babyproofing detective

"she gazed and gazed amazed by it all and she said to the whale "I feel so small"" I love that book. Try Giraffes Can't Dance and the Smartest Giant in Town. DS2 loves The Highway Rat and I love Stick Man. Oh and Zog is ace grin

I will back away now.....

MissMummy1 Wed 14-Aug-13 17:14:34

shock shock shock detective

YW I wasn't hitting back at you!! Just describing our experiences. I loved BF initially, but as time went on it became so hard for us and M became more and more of a bollocks, so much so every feed for us was a teary battle (tears for both of us...). But that's just our experience.

Re my client, well he is a very short term (as in until next week) anyway so I stand to make a fair amount of cash this week by keeping schtum and not kicking up too much of a fuss. He wasn't impressed when I cut the lesson short at usual time and then charged him for two hours, but not pissed off enough to cancel tomorrow. He was over an hour late!!!!

And I have just been offered another interview. Eeep this one might actually be a goer. Not degree/career related in the slightest, but an excellent pay grade (way above where I am on the teaching scale atm) and flexible hours. Given how arsey DP's work are being about his sickness at the moment I am going to go for it. Interview next Thursday, start date the following Wednesday shock Here's hoping they are very flexible though as I have just agreed to have a client Wednesday and Friday after school until the Oct hols confused

YellowWellies Wed 14-Aug-13 17:53:27

MM totally agree - I was trying to differentiate between physical tie and physical bond but expressing my thoughts arse about face. I think if you BF or cosleep you're more physically tied to the child i.e. have to do every bedtime, every milk feed, struggle to go out without them if they are bottle refusers. I don't think the physical tie equates with the physical bond per se but the more physically tied you are the more relentless parenting is. I also think you can be very tied physically if FF but without any local family to help you out - I think breaks mean the difference between drudgery and sanity. DH takes Jonas out the house for two hours every Sunday and it's amazing. Brockle I think you're right time apart really helps but am v nervous about the prospect.

Ever think you're making parenting harder work than it needs to be? My sis had Jonas today he cried once - ONCE - all day (and only cos he bashed his noggin). Jeez you can see the difference experience makes!

Det hats off to you parents of early movers - I'm so gonna get my arses handed to me on a plate when he's mobile confused

YellowWellies Wed 14-Aug-13 17:54:58

arse not arses!!!! haha I've only got the one! grin

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 18:05:12

You don't make it harder YW! It's just babies and their parents. To be honest, it's babies and their mums! Nothing to do with experience!

I have seen both my children do exactly the same things - play up for me.

I know O whinges about 50% more when I am there. I know this because I am listening from upstairs grin.

I can safely leave DS1 with O while I go off and get ready upstairs. Yet he gets in to all kinds of shit, cries, whines, and attaches himself to me the second I am in the room.

He thinks I am a fool! I am not! I know he just does it for (more!) attention! He wants me, and all my attention if he can see me!

At work, I am a dab hand in getting the newborns to settle. Getting them to feed (usually!) etc. Mums look at me with amazement at this 'ability'. It's not ability, it is just easier as an outsider to deal with the babies needs in a less emotional manner. And they can't smell their mum. Just me, which in a hot maternity ward, I'd rather go the fuck to sleep than smell me!

Yet it was hard with my own... funny that wink.

And that is why J was fine for your sister grin.

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 18:08:37

Ahhh but see Brockle faced with toys and another baby to play with, I think O would behave ignore everything else. Or at least for a short while anyway!

But you can try grin.

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 18:09:37

Thank you VQ he is awesome to me! Just tiring!

And I pray for a quieter child next time. hmm

PurplePidjin Wed 14-Aug-13 18:12:00

YW R is happy for up to 3 1/2 hours with either vdp or my mum and has been for months now. We haven't pushed it further yet, there's been no need. I find it odd but it's definitely worth it for him and them, R settles as well for dp overnight as he does for me unless he's hungry.

R has a sore winky, off to the dr tomorrow and teatree oil in tonight's bath!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 18:12:09

I don't think it's parents who make it harder for themselves, I think it is today's society with the whole babies in the media spotlight, multi billion dollar baby food and toys and stuff industry which makes it harder. add to that the competing parenting styles, opinions and general judginess, plus differing medical opinions and to do/to don't lists about everything from the second you conceive. Plus the fact that as individuals we are more isolated than ever before - no more it takes a village etc etc.

I think for first time parents it is quite honestly baffling, terrifying.

PurplePidjin Wed 14-Aug-13 18:12:52

Oh, and kickboxing is 5 minutes walk away and comfortably after bedtime wink

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 18:13:57

Oh, and what Detective said - babies and children are nearly always better behaved for other people. Tis quite ego bruising.

PurplePidjin Wed 14-Aug-13 18:22:22

The fact that we even differentiate between parenting styles, PR hmm

I "babywear", cloth bum, extended bf etc and my sling/nappy friends find it odd when i tell R No or to use kind hands. They can't get their heads around me feeding him puree, or the fact he's been in his own bed since 6 weeks and own room at 18. My regular playgroup friends find me a bit odd for using reusable nappies and no buggy (well, rarely)

Why does it need a label? Why can we just quietly get on with doing what suits us and our babies as individuals?!

Oops, sorry, big rant blush

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 18:28:34

Exactly. All parenting, however easy it looks to some, is just muddling along doing the best you can for you and the baby innit.

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 18:30:57

They'd hate me then Pidj as no is all I ever bloody say.



I think you parent for that child. Both mine have needed a different style of parenting. I've got my own way - but it has to be adapted for that child! Sadly!

I am excited for my sling to arrive tomorrow. I plan to walk down to baby group with it if I feel comfortable. I will push the pram so I don't end up stuck (as I am a little nervous of carrying that kind of weight).

Wonder what they will think of me when I turn up. No one comes in with a sling on. As far as I know no one uses re-usables either.

In fact I've never met anyone who uses re-usables. And I don't know anyone who uses a sling, although I have seen people around with them, far more in the last year. In fact, 2 years ago I never saw anyone with a proper sling.

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 18:32:43

To be honest. I've been quiet the last day or two after reading a couple of threads on here.

One in particular saying how parents these days make it more difficult etc.

I wanted to reply, but I won't waste my time, it falls on deaf ears.

It just made me sad inside that people would judge how I parented my child.

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 18:33:12

On AIBU I hasten to add. Not in this group!

It just made me feel sad and crap!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 18:35:23

Yes but Detective that is what the baby industry has done. All the books and information everywhere means everyone is suddenly an expert. Knowledge is a good thing, and means we can get an opinion and do what is right for us. But society has also become so much more judgemental of individuals.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 14-Aug-13 18:35:28

Book suggestion, "the big sea" by Martin Wadell I am going to do that with my girlies next summer in Ireland.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 18:35:59

This is one of my favourite rant topics so I'll shut up now.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 14-Aug-13 18:37:17

I have just bought DD1 Mallory Towers. He heeeeeee

PurplePidjin Wed 14-Aug-13 18:40:21

Think of yourself as a trendsetter Det I've accidentally converted a good 75% of the mums I've met since having R blush

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 18:40:33

I would say that it only makes you an expert in your own baby.

I know what O needs, wants, can read him well etc.

Give me another baby, and I'd be fucked. I'd have no idea.

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 18:42:43

See I think that is the thing - if I had known someone with a sling and been able to try one and buy one in a shop where I could see them etc, I'd have most likely bought one before he was even here grin.

I hope it goes well. I'm nervous about carrying the weight, and about him pulling my hair. Also about my clothes. I'm not entirely sure some of my outfits are suitable for wearing a sling with them unless I'm happy for my arse to be on show grin.

Lily311 Wed 14-Aug-13 18:45:48

det hahahahaha . Sorry grin.

Here, in Hungary no one, well hardly anybody baby wears. The sling meeting consisted of 3 women. Or uses cloth nappies. I am a weirdo. Or so they think. Also for doing the 7-7 routine. Kids don't go to bed before 9 here. Or O not having earrings, baby girls supposed to have them strangers say to me. But you know what? I don't care. It works for me so I carry on doing it.

My ergo drives today and it's very comfortable. I only used it at the front but will try the other positions tomorrow.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 18:45:56

Well you probably wouldn't be fucked, the experience would help you. But yes, you're right. But look at AIBU and see how many people think they are absolutely right and judge other mothers on oretty mich anything you can think of.

In The Night Garden is meant to be very hypnotic isn't it? Both girls and the dog are transfixed in front of the TV.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 18:51:01

DH was commenting a while ago that MIL would soon be wondering about getting the girls' ears pierced. I said that's not happening until they are teens. He made the mistake of saying that she might just go ahead and get it done anyway if ever she is in charge of the kids.

I said that that would be a surefire guaranteed way of never being allowed near them again grin

I'm not against ear piercing at all, but would be worried from a safety point of view. PUlling on them or gettingnthe caught in clothes etc.

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 18:53:33

Not sure, but O is definitely hypnotised by it thank fuck as it is one of the only times I can get things done! That and waybaloo. blush

Whatever works for you, right?!!

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 18:54:30

That'd be a case of over my dead body PR!

Could you not sue for that kind of thing?! I mean if someone without parental consent mutilates their ear?!

Just musing grin.

PurplePidjin Wed 14-Aug-13 18:54:30

R was 28 hours old the first time he was wrapped. I started going to sling meet at 7 months pg.

How do you get a baby, a buggy and a bag of shopping up to a flat without leaving any of them alone? Ditch the buggy and get a sling smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 19:10:55

DH on his way back, a couple of hours earlier than expected. Have made it through the day without murder nor mayhem. Well, maybe a little bit lot of mayhem.

LO just fell over in the baby jail and walloped her head. I hate this period of knocks and bumps every day. It's very stressful for everyone.

Lily311 Wed 14-Aug-13 19:12:09

No piercing here either until she is old enough to understand the pain and how to look after it. I don't care what everyone thinks but I will not do it. My sister had it done for both girls the day they were born, eeek.

Pikz Wed 14-Aug-13 19:21:49

I so agree with you parent the baby you have.

People look at me strange when I order a plate of food for me and feed him from it. Why not? He loves lemon sole!

Pikz Wed 14-Aug-13 19:22:19

Sophia get st Clare's as well!!

YellowWellies Wed 14-Aug-13 19:25:34

Awwww he's just pulled me close for a big open mouthed snog - OK maybe he does appreciate my muddling through smile .

Wish I wasn't working from 9 til 11pm tonight and then 9am-3 and 9-11pm tomorrow and 9-5pm and 9-10pm on Friday. Not sure my brain can make a good job of parenting and freelance at this intensity. Wah no time for wine until Friday. shock shock shock shock shock

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 19:25:53

I need to step away from AIBU! Just read a thread about Waitrose cafe not being the place to sing to a baby.



YellowWellies Wed 14-Aug-13 19:30:36

Parent the baby you have so true. I think 'ooooh I couldn't cosleep' but you know what? I would if it were the only way to get sleep. Never say never. We planned to mix feed but CMPI jinxed that and turned him into a bottle refuser as he associates formula with pain. Meh - next time! Also never assume that what your baby does with ease is anything to do with you and your parenting skillz - when medicated for reflux Jonas sleeps really well but it's nothing that I do that's made him that way as I know from using the same routine on bad reflux days and his sleep going to pot! confused

Passmethecrisps Wed 14-Aug-13 19:34:48

Evenin all!

Snail and the whale = awesome.

Parenting labels = harmful and divisive. WTF is attachment parenting? Who isn't attached? It is so fucking offensive to suggest that if people don't parent the way you do that they are not attached.

P had only been left for a working day once before I started back at work and that was with her dad. She has taken to being looked after by the CM like a very happy duck to water. Bizarrely for a backward anti-social person I seem to have made a wee person who just loves being with people. I was worried about feeding as p has only ever taken a handful of bottles from anyone other than me. It seems to be goings fine - she sometimes takes lots and sometimes little. No pressure.

Actually, on that note talk to me about snacks. I don't do snacks. I eat at mealtimes. It's not an issue it's just the way I eat. So because I don't snack I have never bothered giving p snacks. She is offered 3 meals a day and 4 bottles.

The CM offers p snacks at 11am and 3pm. She actually eats quite a lot at these times - a whole banana, satsuma, breadsticks and mandarin and a corn thin today spread across the two snacks. She then didn't take much of her afternoon bottle. Still plenty but much less than I usually like her to take. Does everyone else offer snacks? I am more than happy to let the CM do her thing but I would like to know what you all do so I know where to go with it. The CM mentioned to DH today that she feels P is weaning herself off the afternoon bottle. This is grand but is it dependant on snacks? And if it is is that ok?

Passmethecrisps Wed 14-Aug-13 19:40:04

Oh! And the weins were back today so back to full throttle. As I walked in the building I had my first mobile phone to confiscate followed by two lots of tears within the hour. These things were not related! Exam results make for changes to life plans = tears. It was brilliant to be back in the hanky-holding seat and help them see the wood for the trees. Love it.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 14-Aug-13 19:49:35

Evening all.

YW I'm the same as you - don't really snack unless there's chocolates floating around but on nursery days, F has extra meals. Mind you, she has the same amount of milk as well. Porker grin. But I think snacks are fine. Glad she's getting on so well though.

CHasing oooh MK man sounds nice. Lots of details if coffee goes ahead please.

Pikz I loved wedding dress shopping. Enjoy! Also lots of details please. And do share how the "we're eloping" conversation goes...grin

Det words fail me. I can only hope that O calms down so you can laugh at us lot, when our immobile tubbies start to cause chaos. You could rent him out as a babyproofing tool though. He would no doubt find the weak spot in any house, within minutes!

PR ((hugs)) I hope things improve soon, I really do.

((Hugs)) also for VQ and evil and your poorly bubbas.

I am broody. Veery broody. I think we'll start trying in perhaps 18 months time.

DH lowered Fs cot today - she looks all diddy in it sad She has charmed the wotsits off my mum today, grinning and mooing all the day long.

YellowWellies Wed 14-Aug-13 19:52:07

We don't really do snacks either other than emergency rice cakes and a banana when we're out and about. My sister asked me the same thing today and I feel blush that I've not been offering them. She gave him a banana this am and mini pittas and humus this afternoon and he had loads. But he had a smaller lunch - I think I've been serving massive meals when he'd be happier with eating littler meals but more often.

I hate the term attachment parenting too. I don't like any 'camps' or extremes even attachment parenting which I do a bit of (baby wearing, carry him whenever possible, extended BF, not treating them as 'an opponent' to be battled). My sis had a pal who was v into it with her pfb - never saying no etc. That soon changed when DC2 turned up and DC1 (proper wee madam) kept going for the baby. Suddenly 'no' was on the approved vocab. I like to take what suits us and use it smile

BigPigLittlePig Wed 14-Aug-13 19:57:44

Oh, and I'm currently reading the BFG to F at bedtime. I think I'm enjoying it more than she is grin

BigPigLittlePig Wed 14-Aug-13 20:01:02

Parenting....hmm. See, because of Fs personality, my parenting with her is probably fairly well into the Attachment Parenting Camp. But that's because she would only sleep in my bed, wouldn't be put down, and is very cuddly. There are plenty of other babies who really dislike being carried/cuddled and prefer their own space.

I suspect it is a bit like cats. Cat owners parents think they're in charge, whilst the cat baby really rules the roost and inside is all grin and [smug]

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 20:04:53

pig I remember once being gobby talking about child rearing at a bbq here in France and comparing it to owning animals. Everyone was shock but there are so many similiarities grin

yw I'm a grazer. Much prefer small meals and snacks to three large meals a day. In fact I started to put on weight when I moved to huge meals and no snacks.

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 20:05:05

No snacks here - not yet anyway. Like YW I have emergency snacks for when out - but that is purely because once he starts screeching, it is the only thing that keeps him quiet and enables me to finish what I was doing and get the fuck out of there before full on meltdown occurs!

We're 3 meals, 3 bottles here. But it seem's very much compacted to the end of the day? confused

Milk feed in the morning, either has it in the small hours or once he is up. Breakfast an hour after bottle, or after we are up if bottle was in the night.

Then from 8.30ish he goes easily til 12/1ish til lunch is offered. Then I offer a bottle mid afternoon, usually before or after his afternoon nap, depending on time. I generally like to give it about 2.30/3.30. Then dinner at 6ish, bottle at 7.30.

So he has a big gap in the morning, but then it seems all squished in together!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 20:05:25

DD1 is singing into a hairbrush. Isn't that supposed to come later?

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 20:07:20

He could probably drop the afternoon bottle to be honest. But as I only dropped the morning one a week or so ago, I am reluctant.

And it would mean he had 16oz a day. Although I could make up 9oz bottles. I am sure he would take those giving him 18oz.

Shall give it another week or two.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 14-Aug-13 20:09:19

Enjoy PR. Dsd has done that for eeeeever. And now likes to snog herself in her mirror grin

PurplePidjin Wed 14-Aug-13 20:15:50

R is increasingly squeaking for "real" food over milk during the day. I give him 2 baby sized rice cakes or organix gingerbread men, with some water. I think he's growth spurting atm though, he's needing both boobs at bedtime and breakfast. I just wish things would settle the fuck down!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 14-Aug-13 20:20:07

F is growth spurt central too PP. Suddenly started demanding an extra bottle in the morning, on top of draining every last drop of her other 3 bottles. I am amazed by how much they can polish off in one sitting.

Passmethecrisps Wed 14-Aug-13 20:29:21

So would a couple of rice cakes and water be ok? I think I have a totally skewed idea of how much food she should have. I also wonder if she might be better as a snacker like PR says. That's how she has done bottles as that is what is recommended with reflux so I don't know why I would be bothered about snacky solids. I think I was brought up to believe that snacking was bad.

Passmethecrisps Wed 14-Aug-13 20:31:51

Sorry for blahing all over the thread but what do people think about the amount of snack stuff? For her lunch she had a couple of spoons of purée then sooked more off a pitta. She also had 21oz of milk.

Aaaargh. I hate all this food business

GTbaby Wed 14-Aug-13 20:34:46

Hello new thread.

Lo was a lil pickle today after his nap. He was knocked out for three hours. I got a good bit of crochet done on bumps blanket grin
He woke up, had milk. Tried to sort out his clothes for bump while he played in crib. No luck! Bought him down he was a winge bag. Gave him his dinner and yogurt as dessert. Back to winge bag. He then was super clingy / winge/ crying for 45 mins. Until sis came over to help me bath him. N fell asleep again. Seems he was tiered which is weird after such a long nap.
But I was shattered in his 2.5 hour awake time!

Really hope he is asleep for the night now!

Off to catch up on the thread

And I sterilise. No idea why I still bother. But think it just finishes off the cleaning.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 14-Aug-13 20:36:40

Pass I think as long as you teach them healthy snacking, it is fine. DSD, given half the chance, would eat biscuits/crisps/toast between meals, then not have her main meal. She can have pretty much unlimited fruit/veg though, which stops her overeating at snacks...I'm blethering now too.

ChasingDaisy Wed 14-Aug-13 20:37:40

O has 3 meals, 2 snacks and 4 bottles a day. Typically:

7am 7oz bottle
8am half a crumpet & a dozen blueberries
10am 6oz bottle
11am rice cakes and water (not always)
1pm bread or pasta with cheese, meat, egg etc. Fruit pot.
2pm 6oz bottle
4pm raisins
5.30pm few bits of meat and vegetables.
7pm 7oz bottle

StuntNun Wed 14-Aug-13 20:37:47

No teatree oil for boy babies Pidj.

StuntNun Wed 14-Aug-13 20:38:40
Passmethecrisps Wed 14-Aug-13 20:44:09

Thanks peeps. I think I am struggling with the lack of control with p being away from me. I don't doubt the CM one iota but I just struggle to accept that some of her changes might be due to the CM and not me. Says me who was hoping desperately that the CM would sort out P's eating! Be careful what you wish for!

Passmethecrisps Wed 14-Aug-13 20:45:08

And chasing make sure this gent passes the quiche test - can you imagine anything more terrifying than be introduced to the whole quiche?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 20:45:13

Pass my paed (in Lux) advises that as long as they are not just snacking on crap that until the age of 4-5 they eat when they're hungry, and that she hardly looks at weight gain (except if there's not enough of it) until then. A French paed on the other hand may well ask you to keep a calorie diary already hmm and say four meals a day: breakfast at 7-8; lunch at 11-12; afternoon snack which is more like a light meal at 4pm and then an evening meal at 8pm.

So don't stress.

Pikz Wed 14-Aug-13 20:50:14

Pass I give a couple of rice cakes/a rusk/yoghurt mid afternoon

7am wetabix/porridge with fruit and formula with water to drink

9.30am 7oz bottle

12pm Philly sandwiches/ fruit/ yoghurt/ cold meat with water

1pm 7oz bottle

3pm rice cakes and water to drink

5pm cooked meal of cottage pie etc with fruit/yoghurt dessert

7.30pm 9 oz bottle

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 20:51:11

He passes the Detective test grin.

No barking required from me wink.

Passmethecrisps Wed 14-Aug-13 20:52:10

That is very helpful pr. As was your daily breakdown chasing

Her snacks are all fruit other than rice cakes or corn thins. So this should be ok.

Roll a fat one pass!

Passmethecrisps Wed 14-Aug-13 20:56:50

Thanks pikz.

At the moment at routine seems to be

6:30 5-7oz

7:30 toast and peanut butter (every single day! It is all she will eat!)

10:30 5-7oz

12:00 lunch of maybe purée on a pitta bread or oatcakes. Fresh fruit like 2 strawberries and a quarter of of peach

2:30 5-7oz

5 dinner of pretty much the same as lunch.

All CM has done is added solids alongside 10:30 and 2:30 as the bigger children have a snack then. I figured she wouldn't take them if she didn't want them.

TheDetective Wed 14-Aug-13 20:58:21

Just found another dairy free thing.

Asda rich tea fingers.

Don't know if everyone else knows - probably!

But will be useful for the future. I buy them as 1 syn on SW per biscuit. grin

PurplePidjin Wed 14-Aug-13 20:59:12

Stunt i think two drops in a bath once might be ok wink normally we use mum+me emollient wash (no sodium laureth sulphate) but wanted the anti-bac until i can get to the doc tomorrow. He's also smothered in metanium.

And has needed settling twice already hmm

PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 21:19:20

We haz a sleb in the quiche. JJ was quoted in the weekly let's sell you things MN email, talking about Ewan.

Kyz Wed 14-Aug-13 21:21:51

Evening everyone! Didn't realise the old fred was finished! I shan't reply to owt on the end of that acos i've got 5 pages to catch up on here shock

Sterilisation - was planning on sterilising bottles for as long as he's drinking them I think, and I don't sterilise bowls, I did sterilise spoons but i'm not sure I need to be doing that now? I've no idea :/ Oh, I sterilise dummies too.

Contraception - I have the implant in, was put in earlier this year, forget when, but it's for 3 years, that'll do me just nicely I think I was bleeding heavily at first but I haven't had a period for about 3 months now. I like that I can just get it removed if we decide we want to try for another but it's there and I don't have to faff with anything. Sounds good to me! With the one I got removed before, I had bled constantly and hated it.

water - filtered tap water/cooled boiled water/bog standard water. I give him whatever and he drinks whatever blush. I guess it's never a bad thing.

sounds like you've had a lovely day chasing smile

LOL detective I'm sorry, but I giggled and sniggered all the way through your post! I reckon he can't handle how quickly he's developing, like vq said, he doesn't know what to make of it. He sounds fantastic though!

eek brockle food poisoning is not nice at all! and eek at the lego in mouth thing! E keeps picking up EVERYTHING and I am constantly checking his mouth for things. Usually he hasn't had anything. Today, he had wallpaper. Really? All the toys in the world and at 9 months old he is pulling off wallpaper. Great!

I agree with you all re: parenting styles etc, I have found being a mum really stressful because 1) I don't know what i'm doing 2) i'm always doing it wrong in someones eyes 3) i don't have the confidence to do the right thing without reassurance. Some of my friends think some of the things i do is odd, and others for other reasons.

I also know e plays up more for me than for others, little blighter!

Elyza likes the waybuloo? thing and in the night garden. E likes 3rd & bird at the moment

pass I sometimes offer a mid morning snack, if E doesn't eat much at breakfast or seems particularly whingy. I couldn't work out what the whinging was but if I give him some rice cakes or something it stops so he must be hungry sometimes blush. If he wakes up from his nap after 11 then I won't offer a snack. I just do lunch a bit earlier. He usually goes...

7am - 8oz
8am - breakfast offered, will eat up to 5 scoops porridge or a crumpet or a large slice of toast, or a pot of fruit puree/pouch of fruit puree. He sometimes eats nothing
10-11 - if he's awake, he is offered a snack. Usually eats it, especially if he didnt eat much of breakfast. Usually 2 rice cakes, a dozen puffits, with water
12- lunch
12:30-1 - 8oz offered, 4-8oz drank
4-4:30 - tea, with juice or water
sometimes i'll give him something finger food wise if i'm eating tea later than him and he wont behave
7pm - 8oz bottle

I never know what to do re:snacks and I haven't tried not offering a lunchtime bottle because if I did he'd only be being offered 16oz which doesn't seem enough.

Can't remember what else I wanted to say...

PennieLane Wed 14-Aug-13 21:24:27

I use sling and buggy interchangeably, 50/50 (though have never had a problem getting up to flat with shopping&buggy-light buggy and good bags!) but don't identify in any camps. I hate all that shit and there's a lot of attachment parenting dicks (with awful children and awful names confused) in the v liberal place I live in which has made me dislike it. Just a combo of everything that works for you is best!

Already having a shit night here confused

This face confused expresses a lot!

PennieLane Wed 14-Aug-13 21:26:27

Also good q about snacks, have been trying to decide myself of late! Might start offering fruit in afternoon. I like the French thing of 4pm cake for me!

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Wed 14-Aug-13 21:31:55

I know the thread has moved on but totally agree with pass and others that parenting labels are divisive and unnecessary.

I felt like I muddled through with DD and we survived. But I did worry about the fact that I was doing x and not y etc. With S, I have so much more confidence in knowing what kind of parenting suits me and the baby. Plus I couldn't give 2 shits what anyone generally thinks about what I choose to do although I often find myself "explaining" to my DM why I permit DD to be surgically attached to her dummies at the age of 2.5. But that's because I don't think I match up well to someone who was such a natural, SAHM. Woah, digression.

I think you parent how it suits you as well as the baby. I have a good friend who is chaotic and messy. Trying to implement or stick to a routine would make her ill. I need a routine. My DC have a routine although it is flexible.

pass don't underestimate the pack mentality when it comes to DC and food (animal analogy PR ad BP). My DC eat almost everything they are offered (in terms of variety, not quantity) at nursery, including things they will not eat for me. Because they sit and eat with other children.

High 5 for chasing.

Here's hoping tonight is better than the last couple for everyone. Deep breath!

PurplePidjin Wed 14-Aug-13 21:35:51

4 settles hmm

PR and other haunters, have you found my fred in Classics yet? Twas under a not-very-subtle seasonal name change...

Evilwater Wed 14-Aug-13 21:38:05

I think I'm starting to have anxiety issues, every time I leave n I get all worried and emotional. After all this time I would have thought I would have been better at this. As for parenting these past weeks I've felt I've not really done any! I've just let him lead in what he wants.

As for feel and milk:
7am milk about 6oz
8 am ready break and EK fruit
10 sometimes a snack or milk.
12 ish, sandwich or other normal food.
15 milk
17 EK stage 3 meal.
19 9oz of milk.

Yes I'm broody too, but we have agreed to wait at least a year. I loved being pregant, but the first 4 and half months. Hell.
I am so, so grateful for the quiche.


PetiteRaleuse Wed 14-Aug-13 21:38:07

About to pop my pill. Thanks to all of you who got me through the day, especially the morning and were so encouraging and lovely on here and on fb flowers

Night quiche. Consider me switched off for the night.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 14-Aug-13 21:44:19

Night night pr . Xx

It took me four goes befor I felt confident in my parenting! The Sophia theory is love them, love them, love them, and show it, and be patient and always kind and make every moment matter and smile even if you don't feel like it (and it is false and like a CBeebies presenter)

Right I am off to show some love hmm to DD1 who is engrossed in the Dork Diaries and will be reading all night if I let her!

daisychain76 Wed 14-Aug-13 21:54:15

Evening (night pr)

Dh sterilises Hs one bottle a day. Will knock it offf when he‘s one (in a month and a bit!!) and just bf/give cows milk.

l agree with those saying you parent to the child. Never co slept with other 2 dcs but witth H have a routine of putting him in with us early morning to get more sleep.

H just started having bits of snacks ~ rice cakes mainly. He is so active (constantly trying to move even tho can‘t yet) l figurd he probably needed it.

Loved Mallory Towers and St Clares. Love Jennings and Darbishirre too. Reading dcs Polly and the Wolf books at the moment imho some of the funniest children's books ever.

Very excited tonight as getting a piano (from a local charity shop) tomorrow.

MissMummy1 Wed 14-Aug-13 21:56:16

I am a grazer (read, I survive on sugat hits) so it is a huge effort for me to make sure M and I eat properly. Our days usually go like this though:

6am bottle
8am breakfast: weetabix/pancakes/toast/other and fruit
11am bottle or snack: rice cakes/carrot sticks/breadsticks/other
1pm lunch: pittas/veg/fruit/yoghurt/etc or an EK pouch if out --or being lazy
3pm opposite of morning (ie bottle OR snack)
5.30pm tea: whatever we are having
7.30pm bedtime bottle

I don't know if this is right but it works for us.

We coslept, bf, tried and failed with slings, but arent pro any type of parent. I am pro surviving the day, although see m as a team mate, not the opposition.

I have just bought a boat! YW 's BIL's dinghy to be precise grin grin grin I have wanted one forever <passes off as dp's birthday present> Kids next door are desperate to use it too smile

BigPigLittlePig Wed 14-Aug-13 21:58:25

<Resolves to unashamedly copy sophia>

My parents didn't have a spare penny when we were growing up, but they showered us with love, boundless, unending, unconditional love. DH on the other hand was bought things, all the time, but is one of the most insecure people I have ever met, and has some seeeeerious ishoos with his parentals.

Love is the way peeps <peace out sign>

Night y'all xx

YellowWellies Wed 14-Aug-13 22:05:33

Daisy I'm on the look out for a piano on Gumtree. Just a 'free to collect' or up to £100 squids job nowt pricey. I managed to accidentally buy a Victorian sideboard / DIY project for the dining room ('accidentally' because it was a make me an offer thingy on Ebay and I offered half of what the asking price and they only went and said yes... ) which I need to paint duck egg blue when J finally goes off to nursery and I can do stuff like that... ha as if

MissMummy1 Wed 14-Aug-13 22:19:59

Ooooh I would love a piano <eyes up empty space in lounge post furniture shift around> I always dreamed of having a really battered, old piano in my house one day. One we could lovingly attempt to restore and I could lovingly attempt to teach my children to play. Alas I have too much on my hands just now sad . Next years project smile

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 14-Aug-13 22:46:30

I agree with parenting children differently. You have to as babies are individuals and need different things. DIdn't really think about things like that till E came along and I have done so many things different with her than I did with DD1. I just assumed that I would parent the same way as that's all I knew, but turned out I knew nothing! If we were to have a third I now know that I may have to come up with yet another parenting style to suit that babies needs. As long as they are all loved and cared for. Sophia I love your parenting theroy.

E gets snacks but only really as DD1 asks for them so I take the oppotunity to give E something then. I don't think I'd remember otherwise! Particular favourites of E's are the organix sweetcorn rings and EK rasberry and vanilla puffits. I also try and give a fruit puree or yogurt as one of her snacks.

Today she's eaten so well and even drank a fair amount of milk but also has been very sicky. Just bloody typical.

We've had a great day with some friends at Godstone Farm. Having a quieter day tomorrow and then on Friday we're off to lollibop. Not sure if many of you will have heard of that what with this quiche being mostly haggis peeps but it's a kiddies festival. We went last year at Regents park but this year it's at the olympic park. Is manic but great fun. Just seen weather forecast and it's due to rain. Bugger off rain. DH just reminded me what a lovely summer we're having so I guess I shouldn't complain but I will anyway.

MsJupiterJones Wed 14-Aug-13 23:22:11

Wow lots of interesting discussions today. And I'm slightly alarmed to hear I'm in a MN email! PR will you forward it to me if I give you my email? I think I wrote some bollocks about Ewan in the small hrs when slightly delirious.

Parenting wise I had no label but kind intended to err on the hippy side with DS. So far we've had a CS, given up bf and mostly failed on the cloth front. Loved the bedside cot, sometimes use slings and BLW. So a bit of everything really. Det put it best that you parent the child you have. As I read somewhere, 'no one has yet written a book about your baby' - which has helped when reading stuff. Sophia your theory gave me a little tear in my eye - a really simple and moving way to put it that I won't forget.

Like others I have snacks for distraction and sometimes if he still seems peckish - the usual Organix rice cakes, sweetcorn rings etc. He often has a bigger meal at lunch than later on as he is usually getting tired by supper time. Our day goes something like:
7am 6oz bottle
8am toast, fruit, pb, porridge
12mid 6oz bottle
1pm quiche/soup/meat&veg
3pm banana/rice cakes if req
5pm 6oz bottle
6.30 egg on toast/veg
7.30 4oz bottle
It's not set in stone though, dependent on his (erratic) napping and any journeys or activities. He rarely finishes all his bottles now but I offer water with any food or snacks.

This morning he was up at 4.30am which was a killer as I'd had a rare evening out and a small g'n't. So I am hoping for a better night tonight. He is still sleep-crawling & waking himself up.

We have some new favourite games: 'running away' - he crawls towards the hallway & keeps checking I am 'chasing' him while giggling to himself - and 'dropping things for Mummy to pick up' - this is less hilarious. I guess he is learning to use his new independence. Any other quichelings doing similar?

GTbaby Thu 15-Aug-13 01:26:58

Oh no. I hear lo chatting away in his cot. I went to put his blanket on him and he woke and gave me a smile (melt) then I said good night and Walked out. But I can still hear him awake. Go to sleep!

Det. I'm same as you. I would prob have bought a sling with lo if I knew ppl locally who use them, nearest meet is 30min drive away. I ordered two off daisy baby site (I think that's what it's called) and they were too small.
Going to try again this time. Think ill use it abit more with a NB n toddler to deal with in a few months.

First wake up, so not too bad. Fingers crossed for no more.

Can't remember who said as I'm too tired, but mention slavering on metanium. Don't slaver it on. Metanium should just be used as a thin layer so you can see the skin texture through it rather than heaping loads on. Less is definitely more with metanium.

ValiumQueen Thu 15-Aug-13 01:59:44

Fatima I remember a day at nursery when a new worker used almost a full tube of metanium on DD2. I was furious due to expense and also the state of her skin. I agree, much much less is more.

Well, J went to sleep at 9 after drinking a whole ounce of his bedtime bottle so I am expecting him to wake any time. I was kept awake by not so DH shouting at the fucking football, and now the fat sod is snoring and keeping me awake. I need to talk to him about this, or move into another bedroom. Oh, and I have a period that looks like Dexter did it hmm I am looking forward to the menopause.

PurplePidjin Thu 15-Aug-13 03:44:37

I've given in after an hour (of him chuntering in his cot, not screaming!) and am on the 2nd feed of the night.

I actually can't focus properly

ValiumQueen Thu 15-Aug-13 04:49:15

I could happily throttle FBH at the moment. I got an hour on the sofa as I could not bear his snoring, but have come back to bed as I woke up sore. He is doing his apnoea trick now. I could still hear him snoring from the couch btw.

PP I hope the feed was quick and sleep inducing and your eyes are now firmly shut and in dreamland.

Madam I hope you are asleep and LO is having a more peaceful healing night x

Evil (((hugs)))

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 04:56:37

Sophia that is beautiful smile I am copying that and keeping it somewhere I can read every day.

Parenting styles. Hmm, well I'm certainly not the parent I thought I would be. I have faced a bit of criticism and hmm for being pretty pfb with O but I couldn't care less. I did a lot of co-sleeping at the start, letting him sleep on me for naps etc and he now sleeps beautifully in his cot so it seems like it was the right thing for him. My parenting mantra is to take everything at O's pace. I definitely don't see him as an opponent either - we are a team.

Not quite sure why I'm awake as I haven't had a peep from O all night yet. Back to sleep for me.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Thu 15-Aug-13 05:12:15

Thanks VQ.

Beautiful sentiment sophia

S slept well but is now awake and treating me as a climbing frame! Guess we are up then!

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Thu 15-Aug-13 05:16:20

S is so vain! Am putting off getting up by showing him pictures of himself and he keeps kissing them!

Pikz Thu 15-Aug-13 07:05:07

Madam L snogs the mirror! Vain boys

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 15-Aug-13 07:14:50

Morning. vq I am thinking you need a full nights sleep. Somehow, somewhere? Would it be poss for DH to do the sofa one night? Even if Friday when he is not up in the morning.

We are making sponge Beans on toast today and pop sock grass head thingys. And I am getting hair do. grin

ValiumQueen Thu 15-Aug-13 07:42:27

DH is working Saturdays too for the foreseeable future so I cannot really ask him to go on the sofa. Much as I would love to. If I did not have the period from hell I would have gone in with my eldest on her mattress that pulls out from under her bed. I may do that tonight if it eases up a bit. When I was on the pill my periods were fairly light. May need to consider taking something. Maybe homeopathic.

ValiumQueen Thu 15-Aug-13 07:44:27

What are sponge beans? Or did a comma evade you at this early hour Sophia grin I need to follow your parenting tips as I am a grumpy grump bag.

PurplePidjin Thu 15-Aug-13 08:08:27

He'd had enough by 4, failed transfer, dp sat quietly with him till 5:30 then got him back down for a whole half an hour.

9 month regression? Or am i just really really shit at this?

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 08:36:30

Regression Pidj. Or teeth. Either way, nothing you have done or haven't done. Promise thanks

Oscars new skill of the day: giving things. When he is holding something, hold out your hand and ask him to give it to you and he will smile Then offer it back to him and he will take it back.

ditsygem Thu 15-Aug-13 08:56:09

Morning! I just caught up from last night and today and its just lovely to hear people really enjoying their LO's (inbetween the harder times we all have!) it makes me remember to be grateful for F and to delight in all the new things he is doing. (soppy moment over!)

Loving all the book suggestions, I have made a huge wish list on the book people, ready for birthday and christmas presents (I placed a huge order for him last week just because, so feel I should save some things for presents now!)

I hate parenting labels too, and also for being made to doubt my parenting skills constantly because people always disagree with the way you do things - "F should self settle, F should never need a bottle at night, You left weaning too late" these things aren't said direct but are definitely implied in things people say! I am learning to be more confident in the decisions I have made for him and am happy to be led by him. It seems to be working well for us so far! I love the idea of parenting the baby you have, and no one having written a book on your baby - I will try to remember that!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 15-Aug-13 09:10:22

pidj it's regression, you're not crap. Too much to discover. LO is harder to put down to sleep now but the night time wakenings have slowed again massively. She'll be ten months on Monday.

I slept in til 9 when DH sent in the girls to wake me. An hour with them was too much apparently. I got a good 8-9 hours sleep though which was lovely.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 15-Aug-13 09:12:03

ditst I am so envy of your access to the Book People. I sometimes go on there for some book porn. Cheap booksets. Mmmmm.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 15-Aug-13 09:40:33

Well. The girls have this amazing mister maker book. We make the baked beans out of orange tissue and orange paint and pva glue and we make the toast out of a sponge grin I will put on Facebook later.

((Hugs)) vq I suspect my periods will be the same when they get back to normal, I am going the homeopathic route also. I have a telephone consultation next week with my homeopath. I will have to find a new one in NI but for now I will chat to the one who knows me. Let me know how it goes vq

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 09:52:55

My periods have been horrible since giving birth. They came back at 8 weeks and are long and heavy sad

PennieLane Thu 15-Aug-13 09:55:12

thanks pidj Defo regression. It's the same here. sad

PetiteRaleuse Thu 15-Aug-13 09:57:44

Same here re the periods. But a slight improvement last time. Am also going to look into something non hormonal to make them behave a bit better.

PennieLane Thu 15-Aug-13 10:03:34

JJ my LO does the dropping and chasing thing too, or races me to a toy. I pick up the dropped item, put it back, she drops it etc to hysterical laughter. She also gives me things, like food or toys, but recently if I pretend its really heavy this is also hysterical. Odd child.

In these tiring days, I am still extremely thankful to have her in my life, and for those moments. Also thankful to be avoiding UK winter grin

TheDetective Thu 15-Aug-13 10:03:42

Another heavy horrible period person here! Only since birth. Waaaaah!

I totally know I am going to jinx this but O is doing pretty well with sleep at night currently.

He has had one night feed in 2 weeks now. Dropping to 3 bottles made a difference confused.

He is still unsettled in the night, waking just to cry out, fidget etc. 4/5 times he will settle himself. We seem to get one bad night now and then.

Last night he was unsettled again but not requiring any input from anyone! He woke at 5.44 and I was like fuuuuuuuck not now! Then the next thing I knew it was 7.30. So he must have self settled again.

I am dreading a regression sad we usually get ours early. He is 9 months next week so I was expecting it before now.

MissMummy1 Thu 15-Aug-13 10:39:46

I have just sold Matilda's MY3 !!! <sob>

PurplePidjin Thu 15-Aug-13 10:58:10

R has Canestan. I also asked the dr for calpol (he's seen both dp and i for things so knows the score) which he added - i just lugged 5 bottles home from the pharmacy! And Morrisons do white choc buttons in big packs unlike tightarse Milky Bar ones for 39p. And R had a 30 minute nap on my back - his napping has been shot to shit too the last few days. So, a good morning despite a slight tendency to tears from me grin

Still no period here, I'm dreading the first one confused

ValiumQueen Thu 15-Aug-13 12:50:37

PP I hope the canesten sorts his bits out. Hopefully that will help his sleep too.

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 12:51:02

O seems to be falling into a pattern of sleeping 7-5 then waking for a 3oz feed before, usually back down until 6.30-7ish. I'm happy with this considering how many times he was waking before, but am going to start diluting his 5am feed to gradually wean him off it.

Another nice morning here. A friend of my dad has 3yr old twin girls who were born at 27 weeks and we took O to visit them today. They are adorable and their mum is lovely too. She's about the same age as me and has the potential to be another friend smile

Oscar is worn out with all the excitement and just had a proper giggling fit in his sleep smile

PurplePidjin Thu 15-Aug-13 13:05:57

Me too, itchy bits can't be conducive to peaceful rest! Put him down for his pre-lunch nap in his car seat (halfway stage to eventual cot naps, otherwise he insists on being on me) and got stuck there anyway as he needed constant rocking to stay asleep sad

Bryzoan Thu 15-Aug-13 14:55:35

Chasing - can you remind me of the basics of your 'operation nap in cot'? G has decided only my bed or the car / buggy will do, and I am not impressed. It is really tricky juggling him and dd when they are both getting tired.

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 15:34:25

Of course bry.

My issue was that O would only sleep on me. So for the first week I got him to sleep by the usual rocking etc and then when he had been asleep for ten mins I popped him on the bed next to me. Each nap I decreased the length of time he was asleep before transfer. Then after a week I did the same thing but popped him into his cot after he had fallen asleep. I still can't put him down awake but he will stay in his cot for all naps now. It wasn't the battle I thought it would be smile

Afternoon all. M woke at 1:15 and then 5am-ish last night so not too bad.

Few Qs - has everyone started thinking about 1st birthday/Christmas pressies or just the super organised amongst you? I think I might go back through the thread and write a list of all the books recommended.
I don't think we'll buy much for birthday and Christmas, our families the ILs will probably go over board anyway.

For M going to CM/GPs next week, I've bought a nice notepad I love notepads to write about M in. I'm thinking of writing rough routine in it, ideas for food, likes, dislikes etc in it. Any ideas of what I can add?

And another random question what ages do you think is best and what age too young for Disney World Florida?

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 15:54:48

Fatima I decided today that I am buying O a wooden noahs ark toy for his birthday. Should we start a post on FB for people to add their book suggestions?

I might have a date next week. Not a 'date' date, just a drink and a chat date...

GTbaby Thu 15-Aug-13 15:55:16

Fatima! I was wondering about Disney land as well!
Obviously 2 DS so close in age means we can go at a good time for both, rather then to young/old IYSWIM.

I already have a few gifts. But only because bump is due a few weeks before lo's bday.

Lo woke up 45 mins after his nap sad not quite the same as yesterday's 3hour blissful nap shock
And we are meant to be going to my cousins at 6. So really wanted him to be rested, gave him some food and now put him down in cot again. Please please please sleep.

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 16:02:10

GT do you need any newborn baby clothes at all? I have decided I might need to part with some of Oscar's sad

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 16:06:59

Speaking of Disney Land, what is the best age for Lapland? My dad wants to take O one Christmas.

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 16:38:25

Just seen some pics of O's cousin. She has XSIL's pre nose job nose grin Cute though.

ValiumQueen Thu 15-Aug-13 16:50:25

I am putting a Littlelife back pack with reins on Js Christmas list. A dinosaur one smile

fruitpastilles Thu 15-Aug-13 16:52:45

My cousins baby has reflux and a tongue tie poor thing hmm

fruitpastilles Thu 15-Aug-13 16:54:18

Ooooh chasing how exciting! I'm already looking forward to hearing how the 'date' goes.

Pikz Thu 15-Aug-13 17:11:38

I've been to work for the afternoon. Is it bad to have really enjoyed it?

ditsygem Thu 15-Aug-13 17:32:36

We to F to Disneyworld Florida at 6 months. He loved it! He loved the characters and lots of the rides are actually fine for any age - they just sit on your lap (like the little mermaid, haunted mansion, toystory, small world etc - not the rollercoasters!)
But saying that, we then said we wouldn't take him again until he is around 4/5 so he can really enjoy all the rollercoasters etc as well and it will be a worthwhile trip. But Disneyland paris I would happily do at this age or any age really!
My nephew is 3 and they have booked for next may when he will be nearly 4 and he is so excited! but then again he also enjoyed it at 2 years just not in the same way I guess!

Brockle Thu 15-Aug-13 18:01:38

I have just bought Y his main birthday and Christmas presents blush

PetiteRaleuse Thu 15-Aug-13 18:02:04

I live two and a half hours' drive down the motorway from Disneyland Paris <boasts> but am going to leave such an expensive day out for another two years so the children will be old enough to remember it.

I have been boycotting the US for trips since the Iraq war - even when I went to Niagara I refused to cross the border, and since then have been too poor anyway. IF we go one day it will be a holiday of a lifetime thing when the kids are much older and able to remember forever and be old enough to go to and appreciate Harry Potter World at the same time . I'm thinking a week on a ranch in Yellowstone, a week or ten days doing a couple of the theme parks and a couple of weeks to visit San Francisco, LA and New York. There are lots of places I would like to go in the States, but (a) it's expensive and (b) as I said, politically it would annoy me to go. But maybe in 15 years they will be a bit more my cup of tea, politically speaking. Maybe. And I might have won the lottery by then. Yesterday's two euro win doesn't count.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 15-Aug-13 18:03:01

chasing yay! So exciting!

Lily311 Thu 15-Aug-13 18:18:36

I honestly will not buy O any presents apart from a book for her birthday and a book for Xmas. I can't justify money for toys.

We have the little life backpack, the red one, it's so cute. I can't wait for her to use it. I got it for pennies from a lady who de cluttered her house.

I had a busy day looking after my nieces and nephew. I am drained but O loved it and I managed to video her first attempts at crawling, rocking on all fours than moving forward by a millimetre smile.

I am planning a us trip this October but don't know whether I should do it on my own with O or shall I wait till she is older. I want the first holiday with O and without Leo to be a significant one and I've been to everywhere in Europe (apart from sweden and finnland) with Leo so need to fly further for a new country. Thinking of New York. Any suggestions what else we can do?

TheDetective Thu 15-Aug-13 18:38:22

What did you get Brockle?

Chasing grin

And I saw a wooden Noah's Ark in Wilkinsons today for £16. No idea if that is a good price. I just saw it!

Pikz Not at all! Glad you enjoyed it hope it was a bloody rest!.

So O has been banned okay, it was suggested, but still! from the baby groups I go to. <Wibble>

I'd already given up on baby sensory because he just wouldn't sit and do anything for more than 2 seconds.

The singing one he's fine while the music is on, but in between he speeds off.

They suggested I move up a group to the toddlers one. But that is for 12-14 month plus. I think O is a bit small at 8.5 months. confused.

Will have to investigate other things to do. For when I am off work sad

Sling arrived!!! Just got home a 6 and it was with a neighbour. Not next door, but across the (main!) road and 4 doors down. confused

We've had a go at a front cross carry. Of course he wriggled out after 5 minutes of enjoying himself. He saw the toys and got free. If I didn't keep hold of him, he would have been dangling by his ankles!

Think we need to work on it, although I had him very tight. Was a bit hot though.

TheDetective Thu 15-Aug-13 18:42:25

I took DS1 to Eurodisney for my 21st. So he was 3. Well, 3.5.

He loved it, but think he would have appreciated it more another year older.

I have never been to Florida. I would like to. But I am not sure it is something we could ever afford. It would cost around £5000 including spending money.

I did tell my dad I wanted to go for my 30th, and that he should pay.

I think he might tell me to fuck off if I remind him of it next year...!

Plus, 2 friends of mine went at the same time - separately with their respective families. Both came back pregnant shock. We were in the second year of our midwifery training, and there was only 10 of us in the group! I think I'll give that a miss grin.

ValiumQueen Thu 15-Aug-13 18:48:46

Disneyland is also beyond our budget. Even if I had the money I would not take them until the youngest was 5.

Passmethecrisps Thu 15-Aug-13 19:25:24

Evening lovely wimmins

I am very excited about your not a date chasing!

How is the wee man's widgie pp? Poor widgie.

Don't feel bad about being at work pikz. Horses for courses. I taught a full day today and I was bouncing. Then I came home and saw p in the back of DH's car as he arrived home with her at the same time and she squealed and giggled with delight. Lovely.

Although I did have a weird moment. I was at my desk at lunchtime and decided to pop the radio on the computer. As soon as it started I welled up. I have listened to radio 6 all day every day for months now. I think just hearing it took me back to pottering in the kitchen with p. I know she is having a lovely time with the CM though. She is the star of any gathering they have and loves the attention. She was absolutely exhausted tonight. I have never seen her so tired. A lovely tired though. The tiredness of a happy day.

I loved sophia's parenting type. Just love them and show it. My goodness of every child I met and just been loved in an open way I think I would have to do less teaching of feelings that's for sure.

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 19:58:34

Aww Lily I would love to see the video of O attempting to crawl smile

BigPigLittlePig Thu 15-Aug-13 20:09:00

Also dreading first period pidj. No doubt it will strike when I am at work one weekend, and be akin to the texas chainsaw massacre confused.

Chasing is this the man det pointed you in the direction of? Or is there another one wink grin!?

Det I think O will be able to hold his own at the other baby groups. A lot of the ones I went to kicked the babies out and into the next group up, once they were mobile.

Had just managed to get F to sleep tonight, when she did an almighty poo. Little bugger. Had to start from scratch. Dsd has put herself to bed whilst waiting, bless her albeit with the pillow over her head.

Every morning, I bring F into our bed for a cuddle when she wakes up. She has taken to patting dh on the back until he wakes up grin - very cute. No idea where she gets the idea from must train her to usse her elbows for maximum efficacy

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 20:13:26

pig this is det's matchmaking attempt grin He sounds proper lovely. Has offered to help me move etc. If nothing else, I'm hoping he could turn into a good friend smile

PurplePidjin Thu 15-Aug-13 20:17:02

A bit less sore, thanks, and he's been a little calmer. He ate a proper dinner tonight, he's not been eating well in the evenings for a couple of days, and he went down completely zonked on the second attempt - i haven't seen him that deeply asleep for yonks. Fingers crossed! I'm pondering a meander to the pist office and around the blick for some fresh air so have probably jinxed it now. Vvdp is brilliant but has been at work this morning and is shattered from taking over at 4am so i don't feel it fair to leave him if there might be hassle iyswim. He needs a rest.

Passmethecrisps Thu 15-Aug-13 20:25:41

Glad he seems better. A quick walk out would be ok, surely?

I meant to say earlier, I woke up at the back of 1am to the sound of DH softly swearing and p whimpering. He had woken to her dummy needs and I hadn't! Sadly the dummy had got lost so he had to run down stairs for a new one which made p cry which woke me. He was very frustrated as I think he had been hoping to announce this morning that he had done it alone. He did tell me that apparently even p was looking for her dummy, feeling around the mattress. Having done it twice a night for 4 months means I know where it hides!

That sounds very cute BP!

Pikz Thu 15-Aug-13 20:39:08

Det it was a little rest! And nice to use my brain and see Ls face when I came home.

Det we are the same...it was suggested that he needed different activities

So we are doing gymbabes and swimming. Gym babes is ace here.

I am going back to work to put a aside a few Disney dollars along side paying the bills obvs so I hope to take him when he's 5/6 but at the rate I can save it would be when he's 18!

TheDetective Thu 15-Aug-13 21:07:46

Right, tonight I shall try and find some nice groups for him! Am sad though as I have made friends at the groups who have seen O progress from a normal baby, to a nutter grin.

I don't see them outside the groups. sad

Chasing It is not matchmaking grin. Honest. grin.

Passmethecrisps Thu 15-Aug-13 21:12:39

det go back and get their numbers.

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 21:21:45

Yes Det go back and get their numbers!

PurplePidjin Thu 15-Aug-13 21:25:30

I walked, posted the last of the christening invites, and he was fine. Makes a change from Tuesday when i came home from kickboxing Buffy lessons to find dp had been trying for an hour because of the fuckwit gas company!

PurplePidjin Thu 15-Aug-13 21:26:30

Det definitely at least let them know which groups you're moving on to smile

Lily311 Thu 15-Aug-13 21:29:34

O has been screaming for 20 min. Proper high pitched scream. She doesn't want me to touch her. I gave her calpol . What else to do? She is in pain but doesn't want to be hold or pat or anything. My heart aches.

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 21:36:18

Lily sad Is it teeth? If so, something cold to gum on?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 15-Aug-13 21:36:57

Lily would singing help? Sometimes when F had baaaaad reflux and nothing would do, singing made me feel better, and sort of half quarter distracted her. Hope poor O is feeling better soon xx

BigPigLittlePig Thu 15-Aug-13 21:38:36

My Avent microwave steriliser has managed to melt 4 rubber seal thingies now. Avent are about to feel my wrath. Man mummy cannot live on bread only 3 rubber seals alone, so they say.

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 21:44:47

Or do you have a cot mobile or projector that might distract her and calm her down a bit?

PurplePidjin Thu 15-Aug-13 21:45:09

<holds Lily's hand> R had a couple of sessions like that last week, cutting his two teeth. It does pass. Cuddles and as much teething stuff as you can safely get down - i was alternating calgel and orajel with Teetha powder blush

Lily311 Thu 15-Aug-13 21:46:23

I'm pretty sure it's tooth. I just switched the telly on and she is watching advertisements. Poor baby.

Lily311 Thu 15-Aug-13 21:47:57

I am actually so tearful. I want to take her pain away.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 15-Aug-13 21:49:01

(((Hugs)) lily and O

Ooh vq that's a good idea. I'm going to get the nemo fish or the giraffe one for M.

Thanks for all your views on Disney land/world. Agree it's v expensive, and it's the kind of holiday I want M to be able to remember. Just that MIL has decided that she'd like to go to Florida for a big birthday in a few years. As in all the family. And DH has a big (extended) family. M won't yet be 4. I'd have preferred her to be a bit older. And I'd have preferred that kind of holiday to be something that DH and I plan.
I don't think we'd be able to afford to go anyway and if we could afford, there's other places I want to go first.

It's the same year as my 30th and if I went anywhere I'd want to go somewhere for that. In fact before having M we had plans to do Las Vegas/New York at some point around that time as it will be our 5th wedding anniversary, my 30th and DHs 40th in the space of 6 months.

And anyway, I was hoping we'd be having or have had another DC by then. Sorry for the moan, just annoys me when people make plans for you. It's a nice idea but there's other things to consider.

All your talk of contraception and broodiness has for me thinking about planning for DC2. I might start a thread on it in conception/infertility at some point.

vq DHs relative got a cracking deal for Disneyland Paris. 2 adults, 2 children, flights, accom and 3 or 4 days (can't remember which) for £395 I think it was. When DH and I looked last year it was going to be nearly a grand just for us two.

I'm feeling a bit wistful (is that even a word) tonight about tomorrow being my last day of mat leave. Makes me feel like these months have flown by and M will be grown up before I know it. And a bit sad that M might be out only one.
Not sure what to do tomorrow, use the day to try sort household jobs while I have chance or relax and enjoy the laziness with M?

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 21:54:48

((((lily)))) it is awful isn't it sad We had a night like that just before a tooth popped through. Fingers crossed it is here by morning x

daisychain76 Thu 15-Aug-13 21:55:11

Poor O lily hope she sleeps soon. H has a random 80s music station on every night which seems to soothe him.

Got my piano. Was £200 including delivery so a bit more than you‘re after yw but seeems ok. Getting some one out to check. Can‘t wait to sit and bash out songs from musicals veerrry slowly smile oh yes and l suppose the dcs could have the odd go too smile

Went to Nationaal Football Museum in Manchester today (trying to go to seaside but train cancelled). I woukd ddefinitely not recommend it!

Poor O lily I vote watching a nice film together for distraction. Or could you take her out in the pram, distraction but not being touched? Although I suppose darkness isn't very exciting in terms of distraction.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 15-Aug-13 22:00:24

Fatima play with M all day, sod the housework. Enjoy smile

Lily311 Thu 15-Aug-13 22:02:52

The pram is in storage, I live in a flat and have a storage room in the basement. We are watching ncis. Not the best choice but can't find the remote. She is drifting in and out of slep now with screams in between. I had it easy in the past 9 months, my baby has never been so distressed.

ValiumQueen Thu 15-Aug-13 22:08:19

Big hug Lily x

Fatima that is a good deal. We would need passports though grin One day we will go somewhere nice. DD1 wants to go to Egypt. Not for a while I think.

J will not sleep. He is in the jumperoo and I am hoping he will wear himself out. Troubled with wind I think.

DH was very upset he kept me awake but has happily toddled off to bed at 9 pm leaving me to deal with J. He was up late last night watching football. It seems when J will not settle he goes to bed but when J settles he stays up. Perhaps I am just blaming him because I cannot blame anyone else. I just feel like I am doing it all on my own and I am tired. I have no idea what will happen when I am back at work.

Lily311 Thu 15-Aug-13 22:25:26

She is asleep next to me. I need to move her as I'm too scared to co sleep. Wish me luck.

Hugs lily, glad that O is now dozing.

Bloody passports VQ, we had to buy mine and M's for our holiday this year and DH will need a new one next year. I've been to Egypt 4 times, enjoyed all 4 times, but yes I wouldn't want to go again for a while.

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 22:26:37

Good luck Lily x

Lily311 Thu 15-Aug-13 22:33:45

Transfer success. Thank you for listening to me tonight. I hope she will sleep through now.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 15-Aug-13 22:36:02

Oh lily I hope it sorts itself out is terrible when they are in pain.

I have missed the actual date and location of the date chasing please could you just remind us of all the details.

Right. I have done well. I have been at my dads now putting up with my stepmother all week. I really try to like her and and we don't get On too badly but fucking hell (sorry I know it is Thursday) she is stroppy and puts on a worse and more frequent whiney voice than my DDs. And she is always telling me I am wrong. Grrrr. Arrgghhhh. I have come to my room. Home tomorrow. Sad to say bye bye to girlies but I will be glad to see the boys in the morning.

To add to it, we have a ginormous next unit in the lounge which is not coming to NI and someone who was going to have it came round tonight, in a normal car and not prepared to help dismantle. Weirdo what did they think? It would go in a couple of Tesco bags? I was cross, being let down at the last minute. Thankfully I put it on a Facebook boot sale page and it went within the hour.


You know when you have a load of hurdles? And you think you have jumped them all? And then there is the surprise hurdle? Please let there just be that surprise hurdle.

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 22:39:30

Tis looking like next Sat sophia. Details TBC.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 15-Aug-13 22:40:46

I will watch this space. grin

Pikz Thu 15-Aug-13 22:40:49

Big hugs lily.

Hope the unit is gone Sophia.

Vq am praying for sleep for you. Will get my rosary out if necessary.

L has been ace today. Proper ace. Hoping for a repeat tomorrow

Pikz Thu 15-Aug-13 22:41:47

Chasing am contemplating how we can get a quiche ear piece so we can all come on your date...

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 15-Aug-13 22:42:26

Venting here helps so much. It has most definitely helped averted a most heinous crime this evening!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 15-Aug-13 22:43:34

Lol pikz

We could prime chasing on what to say! grin

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 22:46:45

grin at quiche ear piece.

Lily I am sending over my share of sleepy dust for you x

Fatima most definitely spend the day with M tomorrow. You definitely won't look back and wish you had done the housework instead.

kyz where are you missus?

Have we done thankfuls today? Here are mine: The quiche for literally saving changing my life.

My O for taking everything in his stride so wonderfully and giving me the best reason in the world to get up every morning.

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 22:47:42

sophia grin I feel like I have an obligation to live the single life on behalf of the whole quiche!

Pikz Thu 15-Aug-13 22:52:40

Miss chasing you so do....!!!!

Fatima play with M... We need some mischief stories!

TheDetective Thu 15-Aug-13 22:55:27

Chasing you and O need to come and visit me and O!

The invite still stands, and I would very much look forward to it! grin

I am planning on going back to work on the 16th Sept even though I am still in pain, but oh well, gotta earn a living sad although it will be part time initially for 4 weeks, then hopefully 4 days a week for 2-3 months.

Pikz Thu 15-Aug-13 23:01:58

Sophia that's exactly what I was thunking!

ValiumQueen Thu 15-Aug-13 23:05:56

Thank you Pikz x

Have we heard from PR today? I hope you are ok my dear x

Little sodlet is asleep. I think it is another fucking tooth. His skin has flared up again this afternoon.

Sophia you are amazing grin

TheDetective Thu 15-Aug-13 23:06:05

Chasing I am holding back from messaging him and telling him he better treat you well grin. But then that would look crazy.

So I am silently threatening him to not be a dick!

I am pretty sure he will have been celebrating my friends husbands 30th today or tonight.

I might message her though just to check all is good and what I thought was right?! She wouldn't say anything to him!

That solves it then, a lazy day of mooching and playing with M tomorrow and no housework grin

V excited about your date chasing

I am thankful for this quiche to allowing me to talk shit at all times of the day and I am thankful for the IVF clinic in Manchester that allowed me to have the best 10 months off work with my amazing little girl grin that's soppy for you

ChasingDaisy Thu 15-Aug-13 23:09:18

Go for it det grin Best to confirm his single status...

YellowWellies Thu 15-Aug-13 23:47:14

Sophia crossing fingers your last surprise hurdle is a wee doorstep sized dinky thing...

Lily poor O I hope she sleeps through. Eeeeeegad I'm dreading teeth appearing - all that screaming would take me right back to his two months of reflux hell sad

Pass sad that you felt teary - you soft moo. Meant affectionately! If you want to cuddle a wee baby with a dislike of cow's milk on a lunchtime I could pop J in some stripey tights smile and serve baby cuddles with brew

Just off to bed - four nights on the trot I've been freelancing til gone 11. Am shattered. Wahoooo I am thankful for the bottle of Marlborough Sound Sauvignon in the fridge with my name on it for tomorrow night and also thankful that I have the chance to do freelance.

TheDetective Thu 15-Aug-13 23:47:38

I did!

And he is!

He was at my friends tonight as I thought! grin

She has confirmed everything I told you!

ChasingDaisy Fri 16-Aug-13 00:21:20

grin det

TheDetective Fri 16-Aug-13 00:28:31

<does happy dance>

<wiggles arse at chasing>

<remembers fat and sore arse and goes the fuck to bed>

G'night fuckers! grin

GTbaby Fri 16-Aug-13 00:53:01

VQ , PR was commenting about US n politics earlier. So I think she's ok wink

Chasing, thank you so much for your generous offer! We do have loads of clothes tho. N I few more given to us today!

Lily hope lo is now ok n sleeps thro the night.

Disney I think I may wait till lo is 6 n bump is 5. So they can remember the trip but they are young enough for it to be magical. Although I suspect Paris is more likely then Florida.

Right bed time.

PurplePidjin Fri 16-Aug-13 02:36:40

Every. Fucking. Hour.

Not milk. Not teeth. Not thirst. Bum changed.

What am i doing wrong?

Lily311 Fri 16-Aug-13 05:37:05

She woke at 4.50 screaming. Calpol and a bit of milk, she was asleep 15 min later. Poor baby. I just cancelled the babysitter, supposed to be in the gym at 8. No way, we are taking it easy today.

Lily311 Fri 16-Aug-13 06:12:44

pidj I have a friend who advices parents on sleep. She always says not to tackle the sleep itself but look at the whole routine: sleep, feed, activities,etc. if you send me an average day routine, I forward it to her and see what she suggests.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 06:42:05

Morning. I am thankful for my sleeping pills. Two nights in a row. Feel like a new woman this morning, but DD1 isn't up yet so it might not last. I took one last night as tomorrow I have to go for blood tests first thing and have to be nil by mouth and medication free for 12 hours before. But I really have to go get them done as they were prescribed by the doc last visit and I want to see her on Monday and don.t need a bollocking for not having done them.

PurplePidjin Fri 16-Aug-13 06:52:31

He slept till 5. Now feeding in hope of the morning nap he's been refusing recently. Lily, i might try that if i can remember what it was before it fell apart 2 days ago.

ValiumQueen Fri 16-Aug-13 08:06:11

Thank you GT. The days blur at the moment.

PP if it is just the last couple of days, it could be he is coming down with something. It is often impossible to work out what is causing distress and waking.

J has just vommed his breakfast and meds. So fed up of this shit.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 08:26:55

flowers vq

Lily311 Fri 16-Aug-13 08:39:55

Fuck, just caught her trying to stand up in her cot.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 08:46:38

And cake

Lily if she's anything like LO she'll go from trying to doing very quickly smile

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 08:47:15

Is there cherry on that cake ? I don't like cherries on cake.

thanks VQ and PP

Hope O is feeling better this morning lily

M woke once at half two and then up for the day at half 7. Not a bad night. Shame it took me until half 11 to get to sleep, I went to bed at half 9 grin

M is currently having lots of fun playing with an empty pampers box hmm

StuntNun Fri 16-Aug-13 09:07:04

I haven't been able to get on here lately due to rubbish phone reception in Manchester. hmm

Looking at your mealtime lists isn't anyone getting a night feed any more? J still demands to be fed at least once in the middle of the night. I was trying to avoid feeding him last night, shushing and patting him in his cot, and my DM said she'd take him for a bit so I could sleep. She only took him downstairs and gave him a bloomin' bottle - he took nearly 7 oz. I suppose I should be pleased because he's been turning his nose up at formula lately, but I'm gutted that I can't get him to night wean even though he's just below the 75th percentile, so obviously eating well enough.

We has a piano! grin But neither DS1 or DS2 have ever showed any interest in playing it. Of course DS1 has his hands full with trumpet lessons at the moment. After his grade 3 triumph he has decided he wants to go straight for grade 5 before he finishes primary school which will be a lot of work for him and a lot of nagging for me. Unfortunately his teacher isn't keen which is a shame because I think she should capitalise on his sudden upsurge of interest. DS2 shows no sign of being musical at all drummer then!! although DH bought him a half size flying vee guitar hmm I have a sneaky suspicion J will be a cellist so if he shows any aptitude I might start him on the piano and/or violin when he's older. But only if he's interested, I don't believe in pressuring children to play an instrument. DS1 wanted to play the trumpet from the age of 3 but he had to wait until he got his adult front teeth at six years old.

I don't think there's a 'too old' for Disneyland. We went to Disneyland Paris three years ago (DS1 7, DS2 4) and DH and I had our share of fun rides and shows and the boys both had a great time. It cost £1200 for a five day holiday then but it would cost us twice that now. It's probably cheaper if you can go on the Chunnel rather than having to fly.

Great idea re the reins backpack VQ, I'm going to steal that.

ChasingDaisy Fri 16-Aug-13 09:22:30

stunt O has a 3oz feed most nights. Usually at 5am but last night at 2.30am

PennieLane Fri 16-Aug-13 09:50:12

pass I will have that feeling anytime I listen to women's hour in the future thanks

I think after a few good nights we might be out the other side of regression-take heart pp

If I was at work now I'd be working in Egypt crisis. Made me realise how very far away from work mode I am. Finding it fascinating how you're finding it, as although its a good thing to work,I think I'll find it hard mentally to switch.

Hugs to VQ. Chasing v exciting about Detective Cilla!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 09:51:04

I lept an eye on Our "routine" yesterday so I could give you an idea:

7am up and 6-8 oz milk
8ish a half slice of toast, buttered
9-10.15 (sometimes later) nap
Small snack of bread or cake or a few cornflakes if uo from nap earlier than 10.30
11.30 lunch; puree, or omelette, or ham and pasta
12.30 ish 5oz milk
14-15.30 ish, nap, sometimes longer
16.30 mashed banana or avocado
17.00 4 oz millk
19.30 Dinner and another 4-5oz milk
20.30 ish Bed --though often more like 21)

The last three weeks she has woken maybe two or trhee times during the night- and she'll have 3 oz to settle back down til 7

I guess she sleeps about 12-14 hours over the day.

I suspect all this will change when she goes to nursery full time. There will be two naps during the day still, at set times, and meal times will be at set times too, as will bottles [army]. I expect her to fall through the door knackered at about 6, have a quick meal and then bed by half past seven. A least the first few weeks. Once she gets used to it things might be different. DD1 was knackered the first few weeks of childminding I remember.

ChasingDaisy Fri 16-Aug-13 09:54:29

Good night last night. One ten minute waking at 2.30 and then up for the day at 7. I would be feeling very refreshed if I wasn't up until midnight hmm

O greeted me by waving from his cot this morning smile He can also now rock on all fours so I am assuming that crawling is imminent. My dad and stepmum are on holiday for a week as of tomorrow and the dog is in kennels so he will get plenty of floor time which he has been lacking recently. Will be interesting to see how we cope just the two of us again, but I'm hoping it will give him plenty of crawling practice.

We also have rivers of dribble here and frantic biting so am hoping another tooth pops through soon.

Have we heard from kyz?

Ha ha Chasing I had to check the first line of your post wasn't quoting me and it was more or less identical to our night grin

Job for today is to write in my "PFB rule book" and I also need to meal plan something for mon, tues and weds so we're not arsing around finding something to cook once we get in from work.

TheDetective Fri 16-Aug-13 11:58:18

Odd night here last night.

O woke at 4.30 and refused to be put down. It was DP's night, so I was awake while he grumped and paced up and down the landing and got a hysterical baby everytime he tried to put him in the cot.

Next thing is he goes 'I'm too tired for this shit. He's having a bottle'. Siiiiiiigh.

Anyway, he went back to sleep after the bottle.

Til 9!!!!!!!!!!!!! shock


The whole day is a bit fucked up now. His naps the last 2 days were shit and I was planning on working on them. But now here it is at 12, and he hasn't had his first nap. Bollocks.

We are going out in the car at 4 so he might have 20 minutes then.

Must go and try and put him down now.... hmm

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Fri 16-Aug-13 13:04:11

chasing exciting.

sophia fingers crossed that was indeed your surprise hurdle. Amazing how idiotic some people can be.

fatima end of this chapter, start of a new exciting one. It will be fine. You will miss M but it will all work out well.

Last night's bedtime was long and painful. DH at work, S fell asleep after his bottle, transfer fine, DD just drifting off when S woke up, which woke her up, and they were awake playing until 10pm. I brought them downstairs and bored them both to sleep by watching some rubbish on tv instead of fireman sam. S definitely has more teeth coming, about time too, he's had the bottom two only for 3 months. He also had terrible wind last night, from peas I think. He ate loads as I negligently gave him a bowl of them to keep him quiet while I ate practice his pincer grip. Well, he has that down pat and I suffered the consequences when old windy-pops couldnt sleep for all the farting. DD heard him and told me, all wide-eyed and conspiritorial, "Mummy, Seffy sarted - from his bot!"

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 16-Aug-13 13:19:58

Just popped on to gloat. I took the whole unit down in 30 mins. I mean really. And I am a girl. It is all stacked up waiting for it's new owner to come to collect later. What's the betting DH arrives home and says " oh we should take it now"!!

Physically I am pooped but my stress level and my blood pressure have returned to Normal. Even if we are let down again it is in a state we probably could slot it into the van or at least take to the rcycling place.

ValiumQueen Fri 16-Aug-13 13:27:08

Well done Sophia grin

GTbaby Fri 16-Aug-13 13:54:21

Stunt I weaned lo off his 3am feed by giving him water in his bottle. He kept refusing. So I gave up and walked out of the room (to get him milk) and while out he shut up n went to sleep. Lol. So 2nd night did the same. 3rd night he didn't wake. At this point however I was still doing a dream feed at 11ish.

Lo is just not having lunch. He is not interested. I suspect it's because he doesn't wake till late. But I don't want to wake him me earlier!

So his routine is
10- weetabix
1pm milk
1.30 Nap
4-5 milk
6 dinner
7.30 milk

If he wakes earlier he will nap in morning.
I don't want to cut down on his milk. May try a noon snack tomorrow? But it's hard as FH is leaving for work at that time n it's a busy time. Might just do finger foods so I can get on with stuff while he plays with his food.

Any advice welcome. Right lo is napping. So I need to get crocheting!

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 14:14:56

P can live in bread alone. Or she would rather

Pikz Fri 16-Aug-13 14:17:38

LO just projectile vomited all over his car seat. Ace. Everything just smells of vomit.hmm

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 14:26:04

Oo. Where did that come from. Random. Must have failed to post earlier.

I am sitting at my desk nursing a sore head.

Love the idea of dressing J up like P YW! Have kept the radio off now.

Just dashing through. See ya laters

ValiumQueen Fri 16-Aug-13 14:31:50

Js routine is as follows:

Wakes up when the fuck he wants,
Sleeps rarely, but if so it is when he fucking wants,
Has bottles 3 hourly when awake but only if he fucking wants,
Eats pretty much fuck all, but if he does, he then pukes it up grin

fruitpastilles Fri 16-Aug-13 14:58:15

Ugh. Not a very good day here. We are having the house decorated, there is nowhere for S to play without being cooped up. She's in her travel cot in the living room (there's too much mess for her to go on the floor) there's a bloke hanging doors upstairs so we can't play upstairs in her room and I can't take her out as it's pissing down. She's getting more fed up of not being able to roam freely as the day goes on.

GTbaby Fri 16-Aug-13 15:09:00

Oh vQ hugs needed? Well hugs
Sent regardless thanks

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 15:12:13

I can't decide if I am sad at having just one more week on my own with my two or fucking delighted a little relieved.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 16-Aug-13 15:18:09

I should imagine pr an obscene mixture of both!

I am going mainly offline for a couple of days as our broadband has been switched off, although I may have a chance to catch up tomorrow when we stop for lunch at my dads.

So this is it. The adventure begins. Thanks for putting up with my grumbles and stresses during the packing process!

Next time I post I will be in Stuntland

Hope you all get a couple of good nights sleepies.

PS pass I agree with P and so does DH we are bread lovers too!

MissMummy1 Fri 16-Aug-13 15:23:09

Good luck Sophia - excellent woman skills btw grin

MissMummy1 Fri 16-Aug-13 15:27:39

M has been a nightmare. All. Sodding. Day. From 5am she has whinged non stop. Avoided naps. Refused all food except biscotti gingerbread biscuits. And only stop whinging to smile at the fish in PAH. I was very tempted to stay there all day. Hmmph.

I am also getting a bit stressy that after pretty much constant contact our breeder hasn't replied to my email from yesterday and isn't answering her phone. I really must chill out a bit as I am working myself into a proper state that they might have decided to keep my boy blush sad

Umm, YW I can lend you stripey tights to dress J up as P in wink

VQ I am also stealing the reigns idea.

M walked across the lounge with her vetch walker last night shock shock - hasn't done it since but I was in the kitchen last night while she was (supposedly) sitting playing with it. I heard giggling so popped my head in just in time to see her striding across the lounge with it - proud as punch shock shock shock

Hope your day is getting better lily

MissMummy1 Fri 16-Aug-13 15:29:08


I also had my first sail last night in almost 2 years - I am soooooo unfit!!! BUT unlike DP managed to keep the dinghy upright, wahey I haven't lost my touch grin

MissMummy1 Fri 16-Aug-13 15:29:24

ffs autocorrect VTECH

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 15:29:50

mm do you know the breeder? Have you already paid up?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 15:30:22

Good luck with the move sophia

fruitpastilles Fri 16-Aug-13 15:32:31

How exciting sophia hope it all goes well smile xx

Ahh mm clever M! Lots of fun and games to come. M has been using her vtech walker as a zimmer frame today, walking with it at all opportunities grin

MissMummy1 Fri 16-Aug-13 15:40:36

Not personally and no money has exchanged hands yet. I am sure it is all okay, she wouldn't have gone to the effort of making me up an info pack yesterday and sending me lengthy updates and photos if she was taking the piss, would she? She seems so lovely. As DP says, they are probably just very busy.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 16:03:18

She was in touch yesterday? Well I'm sure you're worrying about nothing then smile of course she wouldn't bother giving you updates and sending pictures. A litter of puppies is a lot of work and she pight have gone out for a break now they are getting a little older.

ValiumQueen Fri 16-Aug-13 16:04:19

Thank you GT. I am ok smile but poor J has not had more than two consecutive days without illness it seems. The Gina Ford in me finds it quite hard sometimes, but he is wonderful and I love him to bits.

Take care Sophia x

MissMummy1 Fri 16-Aug-13 17:43:49

Panic over. I was worrying over nothing blush . And he is coming home in 2 hours!!!! grin grin grin

Lily311 Fri 16-Aug-13 17:49:20

Great news mm.

So she didn't cut those teeth. I'm in for a shit night. She was in a horrible mood this afternoon, not surprised really. Her gum is so swollen and nothing seemed to help, tried gel, calpol, granules, toys, etc.

She is so close to crawling, rocking back and forth. I can't wait actually, will be so much better.

ValiumQueen Fri 16-Aug-13 18:31:26

Lily J is also at the rocking back and forward stage. He moved one knee about an inch too. Then fell flat on his face.

Pikz Fri 16-Aug-13 18:33:37

Safe travels sophia grin

Big hug VQ

Ooooh exiting MM! Can't wait to see pics

Have had a Indian head massage. Could fall asleep right now but have a small spider man to look after! He's trying to currently work out how to stand up and hold things with both hands whilst doing so. I blame detective.

We have 6 teeth now so what I thought was sleep regression was clearly teeth. So am now praying for no regression!

fruitpastilles Fri 16-Aug-13 19:00:25

How exciting mm so you're getting him early then? I thought he was coming home the 20th, what a brucie bonus grin

PurplePidjin Fri 16-Aug-13 19:00:27

Today R did:

6 weetabix, fruit, raisins
6:30 bf
6:45 nap 40 minutes
10:30 bf
10:40 nap 40 minutes
12:30 scrambled egg, toast, fruit puree, biscuit
2:30 bf
3 nap 90 minutes
5:30 fish, spinach, cauliflower, chips, fruit puree
6:15 bath
6:30 bf to sleep - Ewan has just finished.

In between we do lots of playing - together and independently - and have been to knitting group and to my mum's. I wonder about insisting on naps in cot but a) it would be a huge battle and b) i would be driven insane if i were tied to the house like that. He currently naps on me, in the sling, in the car seat and in the buggy. His 2nd nap was while i crocheted round him! I like the flexibility.

Sophia good skillz! I did the cot base yesterday after dp said it needed two people hmm R supervised from the floor

I think the current problem ishis itchy todger. He was so close though and now it's completely fallen apart sad

ValiumQueen Fri 16-Aug-13 19:15:11

PP you would think he would sleep having eaten 6 weetabix eh? grin

Lily311 Fri 16-Aug-13 19:25:20

pp what time did he wake up this am? I'm going to email your routine to my friend.

Pikz Fri 16-Aug-13 19:29:40

VQ am trying to imagine eating 6 wetabix !

PurplePidjin Fri 16-Aug-13 19:33:43

Thanks for the help, VQ hmm

Lily he went down at 7 then woke at 11:15, 12:30, 1:30, 2:15 and 3:30 i think. Dozed intermittently on dp or i until 5:30 when dp took him down for breakfast.

He's now refusing to sleep and howling in his cot. I will go back in a moment when or if i can calm myself down

Pikz Fri 16-Aug-13 19:35:17

PP take a deep breath sweetpea. He can come to no harm in the cot. Glass of water. Big deep breaths and start again.

I know it's soul destroying but he will get there thanks

Pikz Fri 16-Aug-13 19:36:42

I miss Luis.

Am watching Nigel slater whilst wating for my water to boil to make my carbonara which is just eggs, spaghetti, pancetta, Parmesan and garlic.

Poured a glass of red, which I can't drink yet as can hear DP struggling with L as he is not wanting to go down.

YellowWellies Fri 16-Aug-13 19:37:19

Manic day working... so just off to catch up.

Today has been mad but on the plus side we have discovered Jonas will happily nap on someone other than me. In the sling. If they're my twin sister. And they keep walking..... grin. Seriously I do think this week has been a nice gentle introduction to daycare as I'm only in the next room and he's with someone he sees everyday. He's been so chilled about it all or he doesn't miss me or he can't tell me and my twin apart? hmm

I tell you what though think I'm up for mucho wine and a shag and no fookin work this evening. I've worked til after 11pm every night this week envy. And it sounds like I've got another 20 hours to fit in this weekend too. I'm gritting my teeth, ploughing through and telling myself the money is going toward decorating the lounge / buying a wood burner. The joys of freelance. I have to remind myself at silly o'clock that it would take months to save up this lump sum otherwise but I'm pooped so it's hard to be rational.....

ChasingDaisy Fri 16-Aug-13 19:45:47

I really admire all of you going back to work at the moment. It most be so difficult to juggle the two different parts of your life. Let alone the tiredness.

How was your first week back pass? I must say, it really comes across how much you love your job, which is lovely.

So my parents are off on holibobs at 4am tomorrow morning they'd better not wake Oscar... which means it is my first full week of solo parenting confused

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 19:48:27

yw I would love to be able to work freelance. My skills are cheap though, other than coaching which I never quite got qualified in.

DDs being a nightmare this evening. LO is exhausted and teething (though I always say that but we still only have two teeth); DD1 is perfecting her aim - she's bloody good at throwing stuff in the right direction. At me, the cat, the dog, at LO. Somehow she never bothers to throw her wooden bricks at her daddy though hmm

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 19:52:18

Jeezo you have a lot on YW! At this rate you will be bringing J to school to get some peace - I am sure he would go down a treat!

pp you sound done in. I simply cannot see why your boy struggles to sleep - everything seems in place. I know p sleeps much better in her cot but it is very tying. All I will suggest is that it might be worth trying for a week as you can at least strike that off the list of possibilities if it doesn't work. I so hope that you get some peace tonight. I really do.

How are you and J VQ? Are yours back at school now or is it next week? I know what you mean about an inner GF - I tried to ignore mine but to no avail.

Where is kyz? Not seen her for a while.

OMG I'll bet mm is bouncing off the walls!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 19:55:49

Have to say though that if I was freelancing the little darlings would still be going to nursery full time.

chasing arm yourself with good books and maybe some dvds. You'll be fine. I understand you're feeling a bit overwhelmed possibly at being on your own for a week cake

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 19:59:45

Oh and good luck sophia! I hope we can get some updates from you.

stunt has been off the interwebs as well hasn't she? Hope all is well.

How is the wee one lily? I felt so awful for you when I was reading back this afternoon. You sounded so heartbroken for your wee one.

P has actually started to engage in cuddles now - mrs "I'm too busy bouncing" rarely sits still long enough. When we were upstairs in her room she knelt on my knee, pressed her face against my cheek and stroked my arm. It was adorable. Then she started to stick her fingers up my nose which was less adorable but very funny.

And! I have made an appointment with the doc on Friday to discuss contraception so I will tell him that the quiche would like to know the magic solution.

ChasingDaisy Fri 16-Aug-13 20:04:08

pass I read your last paragraph as 'I have made an appointment with the doctor to discuss the quiche' grin

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 20:04:09

I really do chasing. Teaching is all is have ever wanted to do and I have lived and breathed it. It helps that it is a fab school. My week has been a lot of fun, thanks. P has had a ball and despite minor radio related wobbles I feel that we are definitely doing the right thing. Children, while pretty fickle are also rubbish at hiding how they feel. Walking into a class to a whispered chorus of "yus!" Is bound to make anyone feel nice! grin

ChasingDaisy Fri 16-Aug-13 20:05:18

pass I was thinking just yesterday that I bet you are the kind of teacher that kids just love. It must be so rewarding.

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 20:06:00

Hahaha! I should!

"So, the quiche would like to know . . . And madam of the the quiche has an ingrown toenail and it is really horrid - solution please? And VQ's J is always poorly - why?" Etc etc.

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 20:08:12

blush chasing! Some of them do and others are all hmm. I am a bit weird for some.

YellowWellies Fri 16-Aug-13 20:15:58

I have a lot on but the project has to be done dusted and delivered by Friday so it'll be mad but just for a wee while. Then will go back to 10 hours a week until J is one (bar other silly, random, mad requests cropping up out of the blue like this one). Can't say much about it but for the first time ever my client is a Prince. Not one of ours! And not that I'll ever deal with him directly.....

Freelance is good fun, you get to pick and choose projects (but given it's unpredictable you usually say yes blush ), no corporate drone boss can tell you what to think, I can pick my own hours, you can earn lump sums quickly (I earnt our first house deposit in three months) but then you can't rely on it as a steady income (hence DH pays the mortgage!) and there's no sick pay and the cat never takes his turn on the tea rota. And it tends to be feast or famine. I'd like to be an employee again when Jonas and sibling are at school. I miss the banter. But for now it's perfect. I must remind myself of that when working this weekend.

PR I think you should consider freelance coaching. Sod getting a final certificate - target a company you would like as a client and offer them some coaching sessions (time limit your offer so they don't take the piss) and I bet after working with you and hearing how motivational you are - they'll be paying you to do it in no time.

YellowWellies Fri 16-Aug-13 20:18:52

Pass 'yus' what a reaction - that's a real compliment from a bunch of teenagers! Hope you'll still be teaching there in 11 years time. No pressure smile

Lily311 Fri 16-Aug-13 20:20:32

pass she is asleep. I felt so emotional today,just can't bear her being in pain. I'm pretty sure we will both cry a her first break up with a boy or girl, I will so feel her pain :-).

My mum asked me to leave O with them for 2 nights. I can't. I could do one night but I don't want to. I'm debating what to tell them. And I won't stay with them, no air con in my room there and they predicted 40 degrees.

ChasingDaisy Fri 16-Aug-13 20:31:57

Just tell them that you don't want to leave her for that long Lily. I couldn't leave O for 2 nights either. XSIL did it at 8 weeks old and I was very shock hmm . I am yet to leave him for a night but I know he will have to stay with XP at some point. It is the dreaded Saturday tomorrow, but I have plenty of packing to keep me busy.

ChasingDaisy Fri 16-Aug-13 20:49:20

Calling kyz....I hope you are ok lovely and just too busy enjoying E to post smile

ChasingDaisy Fri 16-Aug-13 20:53:04

Chasing living the single life update: Have been having lovely text conversations with lovely guy. Get the butterflies in my tummy and everything. Currently figuring out how to get rid of the bags under my eyes & spots on my face before next Sat. As well as transforming my hair from straw-like to silk grin Speaking of hair, mine has really started falling out in clumps sad Is this just the post pregnancy hair loss? Seems a bit late at nearly 9 months on.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 20:58:42

chasing my hair is blocking the shower. I loved my pregnancy hair. It's normal... Unfortunately.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 16-Aug-13 21:03:07

Chasing I suspect I am well on my way to being bald. It does take the piss rather, 9 months down the line, doesn't it.

VQ and pp and lily - sorry to hear of ongoing woes with J, R and O. And PR I hope dd1 hasn't inflicted too many injuries on you/dd2/dog/cat.

Sophia GOOD LUCK! Hope the move goes super smoothly, make sure you put a pic of the new house up on fb - don't think we've had a finished one yet, have we?

Finally finished my 12th day at work, such a relief! But no rest for the wicked, as off to Cornwall for a wedding tomorrow. We were supposed to be camping but the shit weather has put paid to that, so driving there and back in one day confused. It will be worth it though, love a good wedding.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 21:04:38

lily tell them you don't want to leave her more than a night. Your baby, your rules.

Every time I mention creche to DD1 she says, in French bless her tadpoleness, boys, there are boys at creche, non?

I say yes, there are boys at creche. Girls too.

Aah, boys, she answers. Boys.

I'm assuming at her last nursery her bff was a boy.

yw I may just do that but can't yet. I was more a management coach than motivational, but maybe I could try and sell myself as motivational.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 21:06:50

pig you love weddings? I AVOID as far as I can. We only invited four non family members to mine. None of my family came. So we were ten, in total.

Weddings <shudders>

Pikz Fri 16-Aug-13 21:08:50

PR I reckon I will be ready for my first AIBU wedding thread by Monday

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 21:14:58

Excellent. Wedding threads I like.

Night quiche. Got to try and sleep. Blood tests tomorrow. Nil by mouth. Fucking hate that. Am a hag without something in me in the morning. Advance pity for the girls as I get them out of the house first light..

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 21:20:58

Where is VQ?

PR's post is crying out for a VQ dirty comment and a wink.

I said wink

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 21:22:04

And night night PR!

Love the idea of cuddling up with P as a teen sobbing about a stupid boy. Not her sobbing obviously but the closeness.

ChasingDaisy Fri 16-Aug-13 21:25:17

Goodnight PR

pass, Lily's thread conjured up images of closeness for me too. I can imagine Lily and O being incredibly close smile

ChasingDaisy Fri 16-Aug-13 21:25:49

Lily's post, not thread.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Fri 16-Aug-13 21:29:01

Hope kyz ok. Well done for first week pass. Love the fact that your dr might advise on my toe. In tie news, I bumped my toe (oh the agony) and the nail... fell off. The bumping hurt, the nail coming off didnt. Weird or what? Anyway, problem shelved for a whole.

Fucking cunting teeth. S unhappy sausage. DD being really naughty. Work manic still so havent really done anything at home for ages. Decided not to battle bedtime if it wasn't happening so brought DC downstairs and let them whine while I did some cooking. A chicken and mushroom gratin, for anyone interested.

YW sounds really interesting. I need the safety and security of employment, plus can't really freelance anyway.

lily do what you are comfortable with.

brew wine for those in need. Sleepy dust for everyone.

Also miss luis and many others.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 16-Aug-13 21:30:41

Ha ha I nearly asked if, ahem, a bj counted, but that ain't going to happen. DH is, ahem, giving his all in the lab tomorrow. We're leaving him there to go to the supermarket.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 16-Aug-13 21:33:21

Ah PR this wedding promises to be fab.

Muddy field by the seaside? check
Big marquee with oodles of bunting? check
Giant outdoor games and a bouncy castle? check
Groom who loves air guitar? check

Waaaah I'm so excited! Frock and wellies are at the ready lol.

Hope the morning isn't too hideous PR.
Madam envy is all

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 21:41:24

I love a good welly wedding. Sounds fab, BP.

Good job on the old toe nail dropping offage madam

I miss catbag. And horsey.

Pikz Fri 16-Aug-13 21:43:16

I still owe catbag a trip to ikea!

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 21:45:28

Right. Night night quiche. DH is playing tunes from the 90s on the iPad and needs rescued from introspection, stat!

I hope everyone has a good night. Special dust and cuddles to lily and pidj

See you all at toast o'clock.

MissMummy1 Fri 16-Aug-13 21:46:55

I have a sleeping puppy - who is freaking adorable(!) - and a not so sleeping baby. Who is also adorable. Feeling very blessed this evening smile

Passmethecrisps Fri 16-Aug-13 21:47:43

sad luffs horsey and catbag

<imagines *PRs to do list for tomorrow. . .

Eat nothing
Wrestle Lego from Dd1
Drop DH to spunk testing clinic
Go to supermarket
Get shiz done>

BigPigLittlePig Fri 16-Aug-13 21:48:18

I think MM might be the most awakest quiche mummy tonight!

Night all.

Hope good Saturdays are had by everyone xx

YellowWellies Fri 16-Aug-13 22:09:29

I'm off to a wellie wedding in October. In Birnam Wood. All babies and little folks are going to be kitted out with fairy wings. Can't wait to see my boy as a curly haired fairy smile. Hippy weddings rock smile

YellowWellies Fri 16-Aug-13 22:11:02

MM he's gorgeous. Hope you're still feeling blessed at 3am wink

TheDetective Fri 16-Aug-13 22:19:17

I have good news to report.

A shitty bedtime was had, despite putting him to bed a little later tonight to make up for the late sleep this morning.

Every time I settled him rocking/patting etc. he would wake instantly the second I took my hands off him. He would just roll right over and stand up like a fucking meerkat. hmm

After the 4th repeat I was loosing my temper internally. I walked out the room, and shut the door. He was moaning, but not crying, kicking the shit out of the cot, trying to climb out (from the sound of him!) and generally sounding pissed off. I wouldn't say he was crying, but protesting more.

Anyway after 5 minutes of this, all went silent. I sat there and waited for ages. And then opened the door almost afraid to look... yep, he had gone the fuck to sleep! Himself! Wahooooooooooooo!

So, if he can do it tonight then he can sodding well do it every other night too hmm.

Rocking and patting does not make for a happy bedtime!

MissMummy1 Fri 16-Aug-13 22:19:19

MM has been the most awake quichester all week thanks to Miss-Regressing-Teether - I have just been too wimpy to whinge blush

Aulay dog has just found his reflection in the patio doors. Hi-lar-ious.

YellowWellies Fri 16-Aug-13 22:59:19

MM brew for regressing teethers. No teef here but I bet he's a total martyr when they do.blush blush

Jonas is 10 months next week and other than a week of difficult to settle the 9 month regression has either passed us by. Or .... is about to bite us on the arse.

My money is on the latter probably next week when we're on holiday with DH's extended family of FF propagandists for whom the answer to every baby problem is 'hungry baby formula'. They're lovely but I'm so nervous that any chirrup from J will be blamed on my 'eccentric' choice to BF him 'so long' blush envy as if it's indulgence. Come on wee darling keep up the good sleeps ranty Mummy has a principle to defend. wink grin

daisychain76 Fri 16-Aug-13 23:22:59

Hello, stunt H still has 2 night feeds plus his bedtime and first thing in the morning one. So, prettty much same as a newborn still!

Very jealous mm would love a dog but our 2 cats would have a breakdown.

fatima good luck for Monday, hope you had a lovely last day of mat leave.

det that sounds good. H has no self settling skills sadly.

Had coffee and a walk with a mum with a baby the same age today. H loved it so feel veryy guilty he doesn‘t know any other babies to play with. Just never manaaged to sort out going to baby groups really.

Better go to bed. Working tomorrow.

Oh yes, hope everything goes well sophia.

Kyz Sat 17-Aug-13 00:17:39

Hey quiche! Missed me?

Not caught up and I feel very guilty for this, but hope all is well?

sorry I have been away for ages a couple of days but I have been frantically decorating e his own room. I cannot fit a sofa bed or single bed in there, so cannot sleep with him. I am dreading it sad needs to happen though and it looks pretty good for a quick job smile just bright and plain but ok smile not sure if I should keep an air bed or something in there for emergency shit nights?

anyway am bollocksed so going to bed but I will be back soon and will try to catch up unless anyone has a summary for me?

Much love, night xx

I've decided it's time to come out of lurking and actually start posting again. Please can I join your lovely fred? thanks

det sounds like heaven to me. I have to rock C to sleep every frigging night. I very much doubt he could sleep without me. Have I spoiled him?

Not quite sure why I'm still up at this ungodly hour when C has been asleep for several hours already. Laying in bed worrying about going back to work - 28th of August so almost upon us. Also bricking it about having another baby. I'm super broody and have been for a few months now. To my shock DP admitted he wants another now too so I stopped taking the pill. He knows this and we haven't been being careful at all. He's also been wanting sex more than usual. Is it his way of saying lets go for it and why doesn't he just say it? I suppose I should broach the subject shouldn't I?

How many quiche babies are on the way and anyone going to be trying soon?

YellowWellies Sat 17-Aug-13 01:56:12

Stunt we still have a night feed 3 or 4 nights a week. I'm doing one now! You're not alone. I've not pushed dropping one and he does seem to be getting there himself.

Apple helloooooooo welcome back honey! Bah no I don't think you can spoil at this age IMHO. We're trying for another technically from next month but we aren't using anything now and my DH sounds like yours - definitely put 'knock up the Mrs' on his to-do list as it were. We're still BF though so not sure when it'll happen.

Lily311 Sat 17-Aug-13 05:44:48

apple welcome back

Good night here, she was up crying at 9.30 but settled back after I went in to stroke her back.she is currently singing in her cot and I try not to disturb her smile.

As for closeness I know I will feel all her pain. And I will threaten her partners not to hurt her otherwise I will get very very cross hahahahaha, I will be a wicked in law one day. But I'm mostly worried about friendships, girls are horrible to each other, aren't they? I think I will gently encourage her to choose a male best friend.

My mum just wants me to have a little break from O but I don't need one grin. I think I will leave her at theirs on Sunday afternoon and pick her up on Monday afternoon. That's a good compromise, isn't that? O absolutely adores my parents, she wrapped them all around her little finger.

MissMummy1 Sat 17-Aug-13 06:28:28

Hi apple

I think that sound like an excellent compromise lily

Puppy and M have tag teamed all night... brew

StuntNun Sat 17-Aug-13 06:42:55

Two night feeds last night and J must have woke up crying about twenty times. I feel utterly shit this morning, tired beyond belief. Maybe it's yet another tooth coming through.

PurplePidjin Sat 17-Aug-13 07:28:45

<<<hug>>> and brew and cake for bad nights

Little rascal gave me a battle at around 1 then went through till 5:45! Switched his own Ewan on and played then dp took him for breakfast. He's just having side B and I'm wondering if he'll nap.

Welcome back apple thanks

Lily, don't if you don't want to - your baby and your ability to decide if you need a break smile

PetiteRaleuse Sat 17-Aug-13 07:40:45

Utterly shit night. I woke at 1, didn't fall asleep again til 6. Up again now and don't know if we can get dressed and out by the time the lab closes. DH for some reason not seeing the urgency 'it can wait another week' . But mine can't the GP will not be amused if I havnn't done them on Monday when I see her.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 17-Aug-13 07:41:15

I'm hungry sad

PurplePidjin Sat 17-Aug-13 07:56:47

PR can't you go on your own? And have breakfast out somewhere afterwards? brew

daisychain76 Sat 17-Aug-13 08:52:33

Morning, only one feed last night (done by dh). Pleased but also slightly annoyed as been testing out MIL‘s theory he might need more to eat and might actually have to agree with her smile

Busyq day today~ work all morning, visiting owl sanctuary with DB this afternoon then seeing a comedy evening. Already feeling guilty won‘t have much time with H.

Sorry for the bad night stunt. Welcome back apple. Glad to see you back too kyz.

Lily girls friendships are fascinating to observe (dd is 6). They seem more intense than ds‘s were and there does seem to be a lot of focus on who is friends with who involved from an early age. Having said that, l don‘t worry as much about dd any more as l have heard her doing exactly the same (x do you like y? etc). Do worryabout it getting worse when she‘s a teen though.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 17-Aug-13 09:29:52

It's a 20km drive pidj to the lab and despite not being scared of needles I go quite faint afterwards and I am shit driver when alert. Anyway, almost done now, am in the waiting room.

Not a bad night here, one wake up at 4:30am. doesn't mention we were at my sisters for a takeaway so M didn't go to bed properly until 11

Welcome back apple I keep seeing you about on other threads.

M decided to be like detectives O this morning, although not as bad. She was having nappy free time and had crawled in to the kitchen to see the guinea pigs. I heard a familiar noise and went in and she was sat in a huge puddle of wee, slapping her hands in it and rubbing it all around the floor! Lovely child grin

ChasingDaisy Sat 17-Aug-13 12:55:42

Afternoon quiche,

Hope everyone is having a good Sarurday.

Average night last night, O woke at 3am for a quick feed and a bit of crawling practice hmm and then up for the day at 6. Haven't stopped since then, done lots of washing, ironing, food shopping, packing...

XP came to pick up O today. As soon as he walked in I just felt the atmosphere change. It felt tense and we bickered over stupid things. But I realised that our whole relationship was like this. No wonder I feel so free now. I am 100% over him and have no idea what I saw in him. I think he noticed my different attitude too, he told me how well I was looking and kept suggesting that we spend time together as a 'family' hmm . Realising what he has lost now I think. A question for the quiche though. How important is it for Oscar that me, him and XP spend time together? I don't want to confuse him and I also don't want him to pick up on any tension, but are there any benefits of this for him?

Lily311 Sat 17-Aug-13 13:10:19

You don't need to spend time with him and Oscar apart from school plays, graduation, marriage, etc. no need for family days. That's my opinion. But than I hate your ex so might not be the best person to advice you.

Lily311 Sat 17-Aug-13 13:11:22

sorry for typing mistake. My iPad has a life of its own and likes to correct me.

chasing yes it would be good for O if you both got along and spent time together. But if there's going to be an atmosphere he will pick up on it so it would be best not to. Maybe it's something you can work towards in the future but may be a bit soon now? You also need to consider if XP's intentions with regards to this are genuine or if he has an alterior motive.

I'm having a day at home today. After being out nearly all week I have mounds of washing, ironing and cleaning to do. C is asleep on my lap though so that's my excuse to sit watching Escape to the Country. I've not mentioned ttc to DP yet. I figured if he knows I'm not on the pill and he's happy enough to not use anything then he must know what the outcome will be. I can't imagine him being anything other than happy if I told him I was pregnant. But if it takes as long as it took to conceive C (11 months) then it will be a while yet. That's why I'm keen to start now.

ValiumQueen Sat 17-Aug-13 13:42:40

I agree with Lily. No family days. You are not a family. You are both his parents and that is different altogether. It needs to be clear for everyone. There will be times you will need to be together, but best avoided if at all possible. I think if you had parted under better circumstances it would be different. He was an abusive partner and therefore does not deserve family time, and O can still have a relationship with him, just not with you. You need to keep yourself safe, and the lines need to be clear.

StuntNun Sat 17-Aug-13 13:59:33

Chasing it would be lovely if, in the future, you could have a polite and stable friendship with your XP. But I do think that it is too soon and you both need to reorientate your own lives away from each other. I think you should be polite but distant for at least the next several months. Not to mention your not-a-date date, you need to have your XP firmly in your past if you're going to move forward with any other relationships.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 17-Aug-13 14:08:19

What vq said. He's trying to manipulate you. Don't let him get inside your head - he senses you're moving on and wants to get back the control he lost. As Lily says, sports days, school plays (if there's just one showing) and weddings. Even birthdays I think should be spread over two days, one with you and one with his dad. Until the message is clear and O is old enough to understand that Mummy loves him, Daddy loves him, but Mummy and Daddy don't live each other, and that is fine. We're talking closer to ten than two years though.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 17-Aug-13 14:10:58

So to answer your questions, not at all important and of no benefit to O smile

Don't ever feel that you need to spend time with your XP.

TheDetective Sat 17-Aug-13 14:32:24

Hello Apple! I've seen you around grin! Welcome back! It's a little quieter now, and easier to keep up I think!

Chasing I have typed a reply twice, but it is long and rambling, and not sure it makes sense! So I will just say, keep contact to a minimum, text or email. I barely see exDP now as he picks DS up after school and drops him there the next morning. No need to spend time together, not unless you want to. But given him and his personality, I don't think it would be of any benefit to O at all. Different possibly if it was amicable break up, but he put paid to that one, didn't he?!

TheDetective Sat 17-Aug-13 14:35:59

O woke at 3.30 last night and needed settling twice. Then he woke at 7 but played in his cot for an hour.

We got up, did his teeth, gave meds, changed nappy, gave him his bottle... then he fell asleep! For 3 hours! confused

He didn't get breakfast this morning, bless him. So I gave it at lunch grin.

I thought he was cutting his naps shorter, maybe not. I don't know! He must have been tired though to fall asleep so soon after being awake. He had been awake about 1hr 45, and only been out his cot 45 minutes!

ChasingDaisy Sat 17-Aug-13 16:58:07

Quiet here today. I fell asleep on the sofa for an hour which I haven't done since O was a newborn. Must be feeling relaxed. For those not on FB, I have now officially double barrelled O's surname, to be known as Oscar mysurname at school etc.

PurplePidjin Sat 17-Aug-13 17:00:24

R slept 8:20-9, 12-1 and 3-4 shock epic napping!

Chasing spending time en famille would be more likely to confuse O, better he grows up in an environment where he has two families - O+Mum and O+Dad smile

PR hope it went ok?

ChasingDaisy Sat 17-Aug-13 17:02:28

Brilliant napping Pidj! Bodes well for a good night. Sleep breeds sleep.

TheDetective Sat 17-Aug-13 17:36:29

Fingers crossed Pidj that's awesome napping!

Today, Oscar suddenly seems more agile than usual. Yeah. I know. He's already agile enough hmm.

But he just seems more toddler like, and less baby like. Odd. I think it is the fact he is 'playing' with toys. Rather than just chewing them and throwing them about, or bashing the buttons. He has spent time pushing his fisher price phone that is on wheels about. He has pushed it all around the room while walking on his knees. He has pulled it along on it's lead like a dog trailing behind him grin. He's been walking around with the walker, cuddling and patting teddies, rooting through the toybox for the toy he wants, rather than just dragging anything and everything out!

And today, he emptied the cupboard. Again. But instead of going for all the things he isn't allowed, he pulled out 'his' things only! His door bouncer, some toy for the TV MIL gave us but we haven't used, his bibs, his bubbles...

He's currently sat giggling to himself while playing with an xbox controller (old broken one that is 'his'!).

Funny how fast they change. sad

MsJupiterJones Sat 17-Aug-13 17:48:57

Chasing I agree with the others that it would be more confusing for Oscar to spend time with you together at this stage. As long as he has parents who (seem to) get on well and show respect for each other he will be able to grow up with a good relationship with both his 'families'. That is far more important and will give him more stability and continuity in the long term.

I was just thinking while looking on fb how impressed I am with you. It takes so much to stand up and say that this is not acceptable, go for the harder but more beneficial option. If you don't mind my saying so, well bloody done. smile

ChasingDaisy Sat 17-Aug-13 18:40:30

blush JJ thank you smile

And thank you all for your feedback. You confirmed what I thought. I think it is better for O to grow up with two distinct relationships with me and his dad. He will never know any different and I don't want to confuse things. He comes back from his dads happy which is great and I will never slag XP off to O.

PurplePidjin Sat 17-Aug-13 18:40:33

12-1 was in the sling at a music festival, 3-4 was in the buggy walking home. I had to bump him up the front scary because they lead straight onto the busy main road steps, but he stayed asleep in the hall!!

Det that's cute smile R picks what he wants from his treasure basket, hasn't got access to any cupboards! Baby gate on the living room door keeps him out of everything... For now...

MissMummy1 Sat 17-Aug-13 18:56:46

Chasing that's an excellent outlook to have.

M also seems much more grown up today. hmm

Homemade Thai curry simmering on the range. Baby... not sleeping. Puppy... not sleeping. Ho hum, there is wine in the fridge at least!

PennieLane Sat 17-Aug-13 19:00:49

Same here with M detective she's properly walking now, from me to granny today much to gran's delight. Not chewing everything but playing properly and figuring out solutions to things and 'talking' she's like a mini person now rather than a baby. hmm For what has gone but I'm also enjoying getting to know her properly and it's like being with a little friend.

chasing that's a big step re name and well done for being brave enough to take it. My friend is going through something similar and I keep thinking of you. It's so hard but very brave to make the right decision. Lots of good advice on here about family days.

PurplePidjin Sat 17-Aug-13 19:04:02

20 minute feed and he went straight down.

Just like he was a few weeks ago.

Tell me it's not going to go tits up now, i want to watch Harry Potter!!

PurplePidjin Sat 17-Aug-13 19:16:30

Yup, second side going down now sad

PetiteRaleuse Sat 17-Aug-13 19:19:19

pidj went ok thanks. We got out the lab, went and did shoe shopping for DD1 before the lack of food sent me into a dizzy spell and we rushed home for a real feast. V tired tonight but the girls are very awake. Will be a popping a pill the minute they go down.

V hot here today, but should be cooler tomorrow.

The dr in the lab who took my blood asked me if I was American. I said no, British, and she apologised grin

chasing you rock ! That is all.

Oh good, the premiere league has started up again hmm

Bought DD1's nursery pumps, winter boots and trainers today. Freaking hate summer. Felt all squishy inside to be buying winter boots <freak>

PetiteRaleuse Sat 17-Aug-13 19:19:57

pidj have you been reading the harry potter thread? I really have to rewatch the last two films...

YellowWellies Sat 17-Aug-13 19:34:39

Chasing am very proud of you too. Leaving seems a harder choice at the time than staying with an abuser but once you're out of the situation you realise that it makes for an easier life long term as you can be yourself and don't have to tread on eggshells or dread the next drama. O will not have to witness a dysfunctional relationship and he's going to grow up happier for it. Well done Missy x

PurplePidjin Sat 17-Aug-13 19:36:17

Waaaaaaay ahead of you, PR wink <mutters unintelligibly about black dragons and blond Dudleys>

10 minutes and I'm back in bed watching and shouting at HP:OOTP grin

YellowWellies Sat 17-Aug-13 19:40:37

Det I was saying the same to DH. Jonas is suddenly a chatty wee boy who plays with toys and chats to them and conducts proper little rants with gesticulations and intonation. He definitely has Mumum, Dada and hiya and babab which seems to be his word for the cat! grin He kisses and waves when asked too. Most of the time but not to heartbroken Daddy! He's also moving all over but primarily still by rolling and commando crawling. He's much less of a lump of baby observing the world and more a wee person trying to participate.

Woohoo Chinese and wine and another hour or two of work envy

ChasingDaisy Sat 17-Aug-13 19:43:00

blush at people being proud of me.

Linky to HP thread please! Mahoosive fan.

I concur. chasing you are incredible. Staying would have been the easier option but you put O first and decided you wanted a better life for him. You both deserve so much better than what XP could offer you. It's his loss and I hope he is starting to realise it.

Passmethecrisps Sat 17-Aug-13 19:46:49


Your wee one is walking pennie? Amazing!

P climbed the stairs this evening with the motivation being my iPhone which was always two steps above her. She is all over the place though - attention span of a goldfish so it will be a long time before she can do that without my hand on her arse!

chasing I hope you are doing an "I am a champion" dance.

I love Harry potter.

2 push chair naps today sounds great pp! P almost never sleeps in the pushchair. Too nosy.

DP is in the kitchen cooking which is a nice change. Aubergines tonight - my favourite.

C can say mama, mum, dada, baba (daddy) and na (no). He seems to have a good understanding of Farsi which I'm pleased about. We into a shop a couple of days ago and DP's iranian friend was working there. He spoke to C in Farsi and told him to give him a hi five and he did grin You're right det all of a sudden he seems all grown up <tears in eyes>

*we went. Duh!

How old is your LO pennie?

Passmethecrisps Sat 17-Aug-13 19:54:59

Also no chatting or proper sense of understanding here yet. I am very impressed with bilingual skills apple!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 17-Aug-13 19:58:55

I remember reading Harry Potter 4 in the tube when I was working in London once. Well before 5 came out. I remember we broke down and a) I was pleased and b) found myself briefly wondering why we couldn't just be magically removed from the tunnel.

Passmethecrisps Sat 17-Aug-13 20:03:12

One of my favourite things to mutter under my breath at rude people in supermarkets is "oh, I seem to be wearing my invisibility cloak!"

PurplePidjin Sat 17-Aug-13 20:04:12


He sleeps on me or in the sling, buggy and car. I can transfer to car seat in the living room but not cot. So i don't bother. Pick your battles and all that wink

MissMummy1 Sat 17-Aug-13 20:14:49

M is very chatty. She says: hiya, dadadadada, daddyeee!, rara (at my sister Laura) and we have had a very distinctive woof at my mum's dog.

Today she has giggled non stop. Every time Aulay puppy moves she loses it to the giggles.

ChasingDaisy Sat 17-Aug-13 20:21:20

We sure have some clever baybeez. O says bobobob which I think is dog. And when he is pissed off, he shouts mumum grin He can wave in context, high five when asked and give things to you when asked. Nowhere near walking though. thank goodness

ChasingDaisy Sat 17-Aug-13 20:21:53

MM that sounds lovely smile

TheDetective Sat 17-Aug-13 20:42:55

DP just put O to bed. grin grin grin grin grin

7 failed transfers, and one cold dinner later.... <Smug as fuck, yes I am> grin

I always do bedtime. DP does it occasionally. Very occasionally. I am not usually here if he does it.

When I put O to bed, every night without fail DP starts crashing around the kitchen putting dishes away and doing the washing up. I have asked him to do it once O is alseep. But he does not listen. Ever. hmm

So tonight, DP got a taste of his own medicine. And I didn't even have to do the dishes! wink

ChasingDaisy Sat 17-Aug-13 21:21:36

Oh god, Sirius just died sad

izzybizzybuzzybees Sat 17-Aug-13 22:24:17

Hello everyone.

I hope you don't mind me coming back. I've just read through this thread and think I can safely come back because there isn't as much mention of wonderful sleeping babies. I was just getting so depressed at everyone's babies sleeping and eating so well that I almost felt like a failure and at times was shouting at the iPad screen because I was jealous of people moaning about one wake up.

J is now accepting small amounts of food. We started last fri after DH and I decided to just offer food twice a day in the hope he would get used to it and realise that it had to happen. He will now happily have some wheat flakes with neocate for breakfast and dinner his hit and miss. Purée is the way to go for us as he won't pick anything up and eat it. Sometimes it takes putting the spoon to his mouth 5/6 times before he will accept and open up but he is getting better. Glad I trusted my instincts and didn't listen to the fuckwit nurses!!

I went to GP regarding the forumla debacle. Got the dr who most people not so affectionately nickname Dr chocolate teapot! He wasnt really listening I don't think but it worked to my advantage. He's put the neocate on the repeat slip and I will now get 8 tins at a time!!! Result!! I have arranged with chemist to have them do all the legwork so all I have to do is pop in to collect fortnightly. They'll do the same with the omeprazole and the Gaviscon.

So feeding is going well but sleeping is a disaster zone. He has coslept with us for the past fortnight which i hate. He no longer has a night feed, except very occasionally and it takes me ages to figure out thats what he wants! Hs naps are still atrocious, however he does nap for maybe 30 minutes in the sling which I like as my hands are free. We need to get him sleeping in the cot. I don't know how to though as he screams on transfer. I think he just hates the cot, I'm not convinced its reflux related any more as when he cosleeping he sleeps huge chunks.

I think that's all I have to say. Sorry for not namechecking anyone or replying but there was just too much!!

StuntNun Sat 17-Aug-13 22:32:11

Waves pompoms at Izzy Did you get your new slings yet? Mine have arrived at home but I won't get them until I get back from Manchester on Wednesday. hmm

YellowWellies Sat 17-Aug-13 22:37:41

Izzy welcome back love! Great news on the eating and on the repeat prescription smile good skillz! Fingers crossed the sleeping comes good too. Don't know what to suggest but I agree it sounds as though the neocate / omeperazole has sorted the reflux and the sleeping stuff might be behavioural now. How was the transition from BF to FF? Any tips? - it's looming large for us - he'll be one in October shock . God that's come around quick.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sat 17-Aug-13 23:31:08

Hiya stunt and Hiya yw

stunt yes I have both wraps in my hot little hands :-) Love the blue dahlia but I'm not convinced on the gaia one. I ordered a 6 and a 7 as i panicked and it seemed like I'd need a 7 for some of the carries I wanted to try.

yw J did really well moving from BF to FF. We had started giving him neocate at night slowly increasing the concentrations. I didn't express for those feeds so that my supply adjusted slightly. He went away overnight and had bottles only for that time so seemed like a good time to stop. He never had 'set' feeding times so I couldn't just swap a BF for a FF so we just choose a late night feed to be my last and moved him straight to the formula. That way seemed less confusing for him as he didn't have boob one time and bottle the next. It worked for us. I just expressed a little off for comfort and used good old savoy cabbages and ibuprofen! Discomfort lasted a week tops. I still have milk I've squeezed to check and it shoots! but J stopped the nuzzling quite quickly which was good as i was worried he'd root around a lot. I slept in a bra and tshirt for a week or two so that I didn't smell so much of milk when doing the many trips back and forth to settle him or when he was in our bed.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 17-Aug-13 23:45:12

Helloooooo. All progressing well. 1 house all packed up and somewhere on the Irish Sea as we speak. We are sitting n the queue at Holyhead. Tired and smelly. But at least the boys are asleep.

Off to catch up.

Welcome back izzy! Glad the Bf to FF transition went well and that you have sorted out prescriptions and starting to sort food.

I was just dozing off but am now awake wondering how drunk DH will be when he gets home. Said he wasn't staying out late. Just another few after I left him at half 8. He'll be leathered sad angry

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 18-Aug-13 00:26:22

Good job izzy you made some great headway there. Impressive.

I need a weeeeeeeeee.

We are still awaiting to get in the ferry.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 18-Aug-13 00:26:35

I need a she wee.

Argh why do I do this? I could be enjoying catching up on se sleep in an empty bed, instead I keep on dozing and then waking with my heart racing wondering when DH will be home and how drink he'd be.

Bloody anxiety.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 18-Aug-13 00:40:17

fatima have you got a good book to read? Any shite in tv worth watching?

Think I will put the tv back on sophia thanks. Bit annoyed as I should be catching up on some sleep before work on Monday. Don't know why I can't just sleep and think 'if he's drunk so what'. Suppose it's because I know what he's like.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 18-Aug-13 02:13:13

fatima I hope you've gotten to sleep but now. I can't sleep tonight either, which is bloody typical as for once J is actually asleep in his cot and has been for almost two hours!!!! This is a miracle! No idea why I can't sleep, I've given up and come downstairs and started tidying the kitchen. It's a riot so may as week be useful while I'm awake rather than lying getting frustrated at lack of being able to sleep while DH snores away!

Still awake izzy DH is home though, he came in at 2am, came upstairs to the bathroom and has taken himself off to the sofa to sleep as promised. I can't still hear him snore though.
Well done J on the sleeping! That's fab. That's how it seems to work with me with sleeping though too, when M sleeps well I can't sleep. In fact M still hasn't woken for a feed, not like her.
I find getting up and doing something and then going back to bed helps rather than just laying there getting annoyed.
Hope you get some sleep soon and J stays asleep a bit longer

LuisGarcia Sun 18-Aug-13 02:25:44

hey izzy. I'm awake too. don't be hard on yourself, your sleep needs repair work.

Spoke too soon, M is awake grin Hopefully not for long

Half tempted to keep her in bed with me for cuddles seeing as DH is on the sofa

Bryzoan Sun 18-Aug-13 03:01:12

Welcome back izzy - lovely to see you. You too apples, and mm. And luis grin. We've missed you.

Thanks for the napping recap chasing - will try that. I also think you are bloody amazing. How far you have come flowers.

A belated thanks also for all the birthday wishes. I had a really lovely dive with dh, a great meal out, and then a massage the next day. Birthdays don't come much better than that grin.

Sleep dust all round - to parents, puppies and babies.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 18-Aug-13 04:04:58

I've just spent around 40 mins trying to get j back in his cot. It goes like this :
Scream, pick up and calm instantly, he appears asleep after a few mins, try placing in cot, body hits mattress and screams start again. Repeat over and over til one step nearer the cot and the screaming starts. Have given up and he's in bed with DH. This feels like a massive step backwards as he had managedaugust about 3.5 hours in the cot which is amazing!!!

I've been cleaning the kitchen trying to tire myself out. Am going to finish up here and head back to bed. Maybe I couldn't sleep because I wasn't used to it having the baby in bed! Lol

PurplePidjin Sun 18-Aug-13 04:44:14

10 minute cuddle at 12. Awake 2:45-3, down awake to doze play, howling by 3:45 so fed, 30 minutes sleep and now an inconsolable mess. I'm sat in the dark with him letting him get on with it - he's shouting, not crying i can tell the difference and this is temper.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 18-Aug-13 04:57:30

Oh dear pidj that's not good. J is currently smoking in bed in dhs arms. I am still awake! We have church tomorrow followed by a 4 year old birthday party! Argh!

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 18-Aug-13 04:58:18

Oops! Autocorrect fail! Snoring! Not bloody smoking!

Arf at smoking smile

Oh dear pidg

It's me that's crying in this house. DH woke up and came upstairs to the loo about an hour ago, woke me up, flushed (we don't flush at night), came and got in bed instead of the sofa, passed out flat on his back with the loudest snoring I've heard, woke M. I'm now on the sofa, had to shut bedroom door on him, he's so noisy I can still hear him loud.

So angry, he knew how important this weekend was with me not looking forward to going back to work on Monday. Had two hours max sleep so far and I bet I won't sleep much tonight with work on my mind. Great stuff angry

Lily311 Sun 18-Aug-13 05:46:38

Welcome back izzy.

Great news on the prescription and swopping to ff. I still have milk though I stopped breast feeding 3 months ago.

Nice to see you luis.

Poor you fatima, hope you can have an early night or afternoon nap today.

O doesn't wave much and doesn't clap though she pats her knees if that counts? For the first time yesterday she sat up from lying down, I was well impressed. She changes so much every day, keeps me amused.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 06:42:57

Morning. Hope sophia got to the loo and is merrily arriving in Ireland.

Welcome home izzy grin at smoking I sympathise with the insomnia I sleep only on nights I have a pill. The other nights I may as well clean the kitchen but daren't in fact do anything in case I wake everyone up in our paper thin walled bungalow.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sun 18-Aug-13 07:45:19

Nice to hear from izzy, apple and luis grin

Shite night here too. Third shocker in a row. Think I have had an aggregate of 3 hours sleep the last three nights. No idea what's up but he wont go to sleep, wants to play and bounce and climb and throw himself around, cries if left on own, when he does pass out (upright, on someone) he wakes as soon as he is put in cot, wont go back to sleep, wants to carry on with the play, climb and bounce - aaaaaand, repeat!

Calpol not worked, shorter naps not worked, longer naps not worked, extra milk, which is a failsafe way to get him back to sleep if he wakes and wont go back down because it usually knocks him out, also not working. He had about 32oz y'day in addition to his food. We've taken massive steps backwards too with letting him fall sleep on and then come in with us. izzy you're amazing for coping with this long term. I'm on my knees. Really hope this is teeth/regression. Work is going to be interesting this week.

At least DH is massively pulling his weight now at home - am still "in charge" but he does a lot more.

fatima can you try and enjoy today or get a nap?

sophia are you safely arrived yet?

Hope everyone has a nice Sunday - quick visit to the inlaws then zoo trip then supermarket planned for us.

Hi izzy. I felt a bit like that too with everyone having brilliant babies who slept all night and me being awake half the night. C improved a lot with his sleeping in the last couple of months but has now regressed again with teething. Up several times last night then woke at 6.15 biting his dummy. He's now asleep again and despite being absolutely shattered I can't get back to sleep. We have taken to co sleeping since he's been teething and now he hates sleeping in his cot. Oh dear.

fatima Will your DH look after M later so you can go back to bed? DP is usually good like that. I get up with C most nights but he will often take him downstairs in the morning and let me stay in bed for another hour. He works on Sundays though so no such luck today. It will be me this time next week, up all night dreading going back to work. This week coming is my last full week at home sad I'm so unbelievably upset about it. Sometimes I think about it and I get so worked up I can't breathe properly!

PurplePidjin Sun 18-Aug-13 08:27:59

Fatima angry I'd be furious at that! Send them out for the morning with instructions to bring back and cook dinner angry

So in the end, between 2:45 and 6 R slept 4-4:30 and 5:30-6. Dp took him down, but he was nodding off over his weetabix and has now bfed and sparked out on dp at 8:15. He wasn't interested in bf or water overnight, just wanted to lie on one of us and play. Maybe i should scale back the going out? Am i overstimulating him?

Welcome back Apple, Luis and Izzy R has never slept particularly brilliantly but this is a whole new level.

brightonbythesea Sun 18-Aug-13 08:33:35

hello. I am very late (possibly too late??) but I thought I would say hello as I have a Nov born (12th) DD. enjoying reading the thread and seeing what my little one has in comnon with your babies. so, hi!

Pikz Sun 18-Aug-13 08:54:16

Iiiiiizzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyy grin

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 09:17:23

Hi brighton and welcome to the quiche.

brew and cake to pidj and fatima

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 09:19:16

gazelle when I saw your zoo trip planned I thought, oo good idea, will suggest. Was a lovely morning. Then it suddenly started pissing it down sad

Lily311 Sun 18-Aug-13 09:38:29

Welcome brighton.

So this morning she practices sitting up. Not fun when she is in need of a nap. I have awful headache, I strained a muscle in my neck while sleeping. Any idea what to do to make it better? Can't turn my head to the left.

Hi brighton Welcome!

Oooh zoo! I want to go to the zoo.

Thanks for listening to my ranting, I managed to sleep on the sofa til 7:30 when M woke so fed her. Then took her to bed with me and she dozed for half an hour of so. Then she woke up and went to play with DH, hitting him awake etc.
but after promises of getting up with her yada yada, he proceeded to let her play in bed for over an hour so a great lot of sleep I got angry
She obviously wanted breakfast too so after the tenth time of him saying "do you want some breakfast?" I'd had enough so got up with her and got her breakfast.

Just thought fuck it, why should I do breakfast again so he can be a lazy arse so taken her up to him and told him breakfasts ready, he's now up and feeding her.

But the thing that's just pissed me off, I've put the kettle on and got a cup put to make me a brew (he was still in bed). Then went to toilet and dumped M on him. He's come downstairs and reboiled kettle and made himself a coffee in the cup I got out for me and hasn't made me a drink. Fucking cheek. I was elder long mildly annoyed now that's just made me angry angry angry

Thanks for listening to me moan! It's good to have someone to rant too.

Feel like he's being massively selfish and making what should be my nice last day rubbish as I'm shattered, annoyed and weepy now. sad

apple Enjoy your last week off, that's how I've been feeling all week. Decided to have lots of lazy days with M to make the most of it rather than doing boring things like cleaning

BigPigLittlePig Sun 18-Aug-13 10:13:55

Morning all.

Welcome back izzy and luis - so glad to hear the food/formula is going well izzy. At least now you know the sleeping ishoos are probably habit rather than genuine hunger/pain, there will be a solution. There is nothing like the screams of a refluxey baby.

PR glad the tests are all done now, one less thing to think about.

Lily paracetamol and some heat (hot bath or water bottle) might help. Ouch, though.

Chasing I would caution against spending family time with xp. Children are very resilient, and very accepting of having 2 separate families. The only time we "socialise" with dhs ex-p is at birthdays, and school events. Works well for us, and minimises conflict. And well done on not slagging off ex-p. If you can stick by this, it is a good thing unlike dhs ex-p who spreads poisonous lies

Det lol at even more agile O!

Lovely lovely day yesterday, F was a complete star, minimal naps and lots of smiles, she kept going until 9.30, and we all survived the 4 hour trip there in the car. Terrible night once we got back, but she has woken this morning with rivers of snot so I think that's why.

Sadly have a wee hangover blush. Feeling as rough as a badgers arse.

fruitpastilles Sun 18-Aug-13 10:14:41

Morning all!

Hi izzy grin at smoking. Thank goodness for chocolate teapot! At least it's one less thing to worry about. Brilliant about J's eating.

fatima make sure your dp makes up for it today! Try and enjoy your last day with M and don't think about work too much (easier said than done I know)

Hey luis hope everything is ok in chez Garcia?!

Sounds like you had a lovely birthday bryz

pp brewbrewbrew

sophia are you there yet? Hope the ferry crossing went/is going ok.

Hi brighton

We are off out this afternoon, it was my aunties birthday yesterday but they didn't get back from their holiday last night so the whole family will be out today. Very much looking forward to munching my cousins 2 week old. I'm definitely going to be feeling broody!

ValiumQueen Sun 18-Aug-13 11:35:12

Welcome Brighton, and welcome back Izzy, Luis and Apple.

Fatima, I always worry when DH is out on the piss. Make sure he pays for it today and you get some rest and enjoy the rest of the time with wee M.

Lily I have heard sleeping with no pillow will help your neck adjust. I tried it myself with some success, but that was when J was up hourly so I got very little rest. Hope it is soon better.

J did really well last night sleeping from 8pm to 7.30am with only two wakings. The first I just rocked him and after 10 minutes he was fast asleep again, and the second time he self settled. He has one more dose of antibiotic, and the Omeprazole is nothing short of miraculous. I am hoping he stays well for a while now.

fruitpastilles Sun 18-Aug-13 11:39:26

I've got everything crossed for you vq x

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 18-Aug-13 12:17:38

Welcome * brighton*

I would be cross fatima angry

Well, absolutely shite night on boat. O woke on transfer from car to cabin at 01:40 ish a could not settle back down. So, DH has done all driving and dS 1is asleep so I take him out to settle him, but he would not stop whinging unless I was walking, I spent from then till 05:00 walking around the boat basically. I gave In then as we were close to arriving so I went back to the cabin and strapped him In his car seat. Luckily, apart from a breakfast stop I managed to snooze the most of the 2 hour trip to here.

Here safely, just chilling at the cottage before we go and see the house. Excited. grin despite the tiredness.

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 12:24:55

Afternoon all,

Haven't caught up on thread yet, apologies, but welcome back izzy smile

Well O slept through until 6 but I only managed about 3 hours sleep. No idea why, just couldn't sleep. First full day alone here today. I think I underestimated how lonely I would feel. Just need to get used to it I guess.

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 13:45:10

I've just realised that the next time I will get to have a proper face to face conversation with anyone will be next Saturday. That's depressing.

Bryzoan Sun 18-Aug-13 13:58:12

Chasing - what about popping over to that sure start centre? X

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 14:05:18

I can't get over to my new area from here, it is too far. I have soft play and story time to go to this week but they aren't really the type of groups where people chat. The reality of single parenthood has kicked in today. I have been so used to my parents being around that I have forgotten how lonely it is being by yourself. I don't know how people do this. I can't stop crying today which can't be good for O.

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 14:12:25

Ok, I've given myself a kick up the arse. I have text a friend to see if she wants to meet up this week and in desperation have also asked my mum if she wants to meet up to see O confused

Passmethecrisps Sun 18-Aug-13 14:51:40


Welcome back izzy and luis! You have both left holes in our quiche - glad they are being filled again.

And welcome to brighton. Always nice to have new faces. Never too late.

Good on you for taking action chasing. I am sure it won't always be like that. As you settle, meet people, get into a routine and so on you will find yourself in a new groove I am sure. I know it isn't face to face but you always have us - whether on the thread itself or on a wee private message. I am sure we could all do with a wee natter.

DH has gone to work and P is napping so I am MNing lesson planning and should get on with folding laundry. Wee p has been so tired the last few days as her sleep has been very broken - last night she woke every 45 minutes from bedtime. The dummy sorts it but only until the next time if that makes sense. Most likely teething as she is proper biting down on things.

I also have broth to make and this shit tip of a house to clean.

But lying on the bed on a dwam is passing the time much more nicely

MsJupiterJones Sun 18-Aug-13 14:51:57

Greetings Brighton and good to see Izzy, Luis and Apple. It is hard when other people's babies seem to be doing so much better but they all have their strong points. L is rubbish at sleeping and remaining calm in public wink which I find difficult but great at eating which is a relief after all the CMPI/bf/ftt stuff we had.

He seems to have decided to go from being barely able to roll (could do front to back but not reverse) straight into speed-crawling, pulling himself up and trying to walk. It is astonishing. He still chatters constantly but not specifically - lots of daddeee dadddeeee and a smattering of mumumum but not to each of us individually. And still the old favourite aboo aboo aboo. Got to say he's been in a much better mood since he learnt to get about - Det did you say this was the case with DS1?

VQ I hope very much that your lovely J has had his last antibiotic for a long while and has a period of calm for all of you. I hope you are taking care of yourself even though I know that's hard, it is necessary for your whole family.

Chasing sorry you are having a hard day and difficult transition. It is definitely worth getting to some groups even if it is hard, you will find info about other stuff going on (hopefully more convenient) and it is good just to say hello to people even if it is not a chatty group. Don't let yourself become isolated - you deserve better.

PennieLane Sun 18-Aug-13 14:57:25

Hi brighton!

She was 9 months this week (wed). When I say talking I mean babbling etc but waits for response and 'chats' in turn, he head swivels for 'cat' as she loves ours! Feel like she's more toddler than baby.

She took her first steps about 10 days ago and then didn't do it again for a few days as it seemed to freak her out but now walks between furniture and people short distances. We're going to Hong Kong soon so I'm glad extended family got to share that milestone before we left. Both DH and I and sibs were early walkers-I was 8 months-I think it's linked. She's only started babbling this week, I was starting to worry about that. She likes saying Jewjewjewjew, (god knows!) which as we live in an orthodox area it very amusing to me!

Think there's a few quiche babies who are on their feet or very nearly.

PennieLane Sun 18-Aug-13 14:57:45

Hi brighton!

She was 9 months this week (wed). When I say talking I mean babbling etc but waits for response and 'chats' in turn, he head swivels for 'cat' as she loves ours! Feel like she's more toddler than baby.

She took her first steps about 10 days ago and then didn't do it again for a few days as it seemed to freak her out but now walks between furniture and people short distances. We're going to Hong Kong soon so I'm glad extended family got to share that milestone before we left. Both DH and I and sibs were early walkers-I was 8 months-I think it's linked. She's only started babbling this week, I was starting to worry about that. She likes saying Jewjewjewjew, (god knows!) which as we live in an orthodox area it very amusing to me!

Think there's a few quiche babies who are on their feet or very nearly.

PennieLane Sun 18-Aug-13 15:02:27

I think that was confusing-she was 9 months by months on 14th. Lost count of weeks!

Lily311 Sun 18-Aug-13 15:22:01

chasing I'm not going to lie, it's utterly lonely being alone. But it gets easier and you need to make sure you talk to people and see people. I now see my brother once a week, going to the gym with my sister in law 3 times a week and I'm at my parents on Sundays. Routine helps. And this quiche. Do you have whatsapp on your phone? Or viber? Happy to text you if you give me your number, it's free and honestly it keeps me sane as all my friends are in the UK.

I didn't go to my parents today, have awful headache. Will go tmrw as it's a 4 day bank holiday weekend here. I will stay overnight with O there so I won't need to rush back.

Pikz Sun 18-Aug-13 15:40:28

Chasing it is lonely. No lie. My DP works 8-8 7 days a week. Some times longer. I make sure I leave the house every day and also go to 2/3 mostly free groups a week. I also go to see my mum once a week.

I use text a lot and photo on iMessage to text family and friends the funny things that happen in the day.

Big hugs xxx

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 15:41:27

Yep I have whatsapp Lily, I'll pm you my number. Have a poor screaming baby who won't nap sad Think it must be teeth but that is my answer for everything.

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 15:56:36

I'm breaking down again. O deserves so much better

ValiumQueen Sun 18-Aug-13 16:02:27

Chasing O has everything he could ever want or need in you x

StuntNun Sun 18-Aug-13 16:04:16

Want me to try and get a train down to MK Chasing?

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 16:04:25

We are both crying. I can't stop and I can't stop him crying. He wont nap. Calpol hasn't worked.

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 16:06:37

Oh god stunt no, you have too much to worry about without me as well. I'm sorry, I dont want to be a burden.

ValiumQueen Sun 18-Aug-13 16:07:18

(((((((Chasing and O)))))))

ValiumQueen Sun 18-Aug-13 16:08:13

Is there someone you could go to visit or stay with today Chasing?

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 16:10:18

No sad

StuntNun Sun 18-Aug-13 16:11:28

I have Tuesday free but the train is £60 shock so we would have to make a day of it.

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 16:25:36

Honestly stunt I couldn't ask you to do that. I'd feel terrible. Thank you so much for the thought though x

Pikz Sun 18-Aug-13 16:33:22

Massive hugs chasing and O. Can you go for a walk. Fresh air and change of scenery for you both.

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 16:53:25

I've just made stir fry for dinner for us both and he is wolfing it down so he's certainly a bit happier. Early night for him tonight.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 18-Aug-13 17:25:18

Hugs to chasing and O. It is another first for you so go easy on yourself. Even getting out for a walk and a coffee would be good and break up your day, maybe try for at least getting out of the house once a day even if it is to just to go and get your favourite tea.

We have been to the house. See FB. It looks great, I haven't been up there since Feb so was brilliant to go and have a look. Am absolutely knackered. O in pyjamas so just needs milk and bed. DS1 being super well behaved, jus needs pyjamas and milk and bed. Mummy has a cheeky wine courtesy of DH and dinner will be also courtesy of DH.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 18-Aug-13 17:46:47

Sorry about that I just had to deal with a child.

stunt qq. You have an English accent? Does your DH have an English accent? How ave your docs turned out? Do they have strong NI accent, if one at all?

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 18-Aug-13 17:47:09

Not your docs! Your dcs!

StuntNun Sun 18-Aug-13 18:38:09

DH had an NI accent albeit a mild or 'posh' one. DS1 (10) and DS2 (7) had English accents until they started school, now they have very mild NI accents with a bit of an English twang to them. They were both born here though so I expect they'll end up with pretty normal NI accents eventually. I moved from down sarf to Stockport when I was 3 (dad has a London accent, mum has a Caribbean accent) and I never quite got the Stockport accent whereas my younger brother did.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 18-Aug-13 18:56:36

I will be interested to see, DS1 doesn't seem to have an accent. I never picked up a really strong Brummie/ Solihull accent (honest) despite living there all my life, I think as my dad is from Cheshire and um was from Kent. Although perhaps . DH will go more bread now he is back.

I'm excited about my new life.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 18-Aug-13 18:57:08

Broad. Oh dear.

ValiumQueen Sun 18-Aug-13 19:07:39

DH called me last week from Lancashire and I did not know who it was at first as his accent was so strong after being there a few days.

I hope you are feeling a bit more settled now Chasing x

PurplePidjin Sun 18-Aug-13 19:09:28

Thanks for the brew smile

VQ I'd cross my fingers but they're occupied. I'll try and cross my toes!

Sophia how exciting, hope it goes smoothly smile

Chasing we're here, lovely

Pennie R likes aLah aLah hmm he's cruising but only with support, no solo flights yet! Dp was 10 months and skipped crawling shock

R napped 8:15-9:35, 10:45-11:45 and 2:15-3:15 just as i got the buggy up the Stairs Of Doooooooom and was rubbing his eyes through dinner. I'm praying to all the deities i can think of that sleep breeds sleep and we have a good night. Walking the 3.5 miles to my parents and the same back produced good naps, 2lb blackberries and very sore feet...

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 19:29:31

vq I slip into the same accent as your DH very quickly either on the phone or when I'm there, but only with people with that accent iyswim. Has your DH picked up a Scottish accent? I can't quite imagine that. I went quite posh when I left Lancashire. Accent-wise that is.

A really bad day here. Started well, I made a yummy brunch. Then found three large spiders in my shower, including one in my towel. And it just went downhill from there. The cat somehow pissed on my fresh bread, LO has been a nap dodging whingebag, DD1 has been a terror and DH and I have been bickering like never before.

It's been horrible. I took a full xanax as the half dose doesn't seem to be working anymore and it made me feel drunk and moody, not relaxed and happy.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 19:34:34

In fact if I wasn't already planning on seeing my GP tomorrow I'd certainly be planning it now. There were moments today when I honestly believed I should walk away from the girls and DH as they'd be better off without me. I know that's ridiculous, and I would NEVER do it, but there are moments of real darkness and pure despair.

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 19:49:19

PR that sounds a lot like depression talking to me.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 19:51:49

It's PMT. I'll be fine in a couple of days. I get it so badly nowadays.

Bryzoan Sun 18-Aug-13 19:57:56

flowers pr.

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 20:04:56

I think some types of antidepressants, like the ones I am on, are prescribed for bad PMT as well. Over here anyway. Worth thinking about?

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 20:05:02

Thanks. What makes it worse it that I am no longer on a lively four week cycle. It seems to be getting shorter and shorter. But I will not go back on the sodding pill.

Talking of which, am so strung up tonight I'm going to take one. sunday nights are always the worst, sleep wise.

Ooh I heard yesterday that national TV have been back in my village filming something about the most beautiful villages in France. Missed out on an opportunity to be famous for two minutes <saddo>

PurplePidjin Sun 18-Aug-13 20:05:10

<<<pr>>> that sounds like anxiety relating to your ongoing work situation not depression at all oh no definitely not that winkwinecake

YellowWellies Sun 18-Aug-13 20:05:31

We hosted my nephew's 4th birthday party today. Was hilarious with 9 wee folks running around, bashing merry hell out of a piñata, pass the parcel, musical statues etc proper old school. Brilliant. Jonas troughed on the 95% dairy free party food made by my sister - the only thing he couldn't try was the plate of cheese sandwiches. Not bad eh! He had sarnies, sausage rolls, scones, banana muffins, jelly blush and some fruit and veg honest!! DH and I collapsed after everyone had left and tucked into the leftover Chinese from yesterday and he rolled over to DH, tried to grab his bowl and went 'omnomnom' whilst making puppy eyes to demonstrate what he was after. This was after 1.5 EK pouches for tea and shit loads of finger food. It must be a growth spurt.

After having a house full of people to impress, he has decided saying 'hiya' is the best fun ever and gets him lots of attention. He was still rehearsing his successful moves at bath time when he responded to everything DH said with 'hiya' grin

A good day here so am really sad to hear of tough times for others.

PR I just want to belt you gently with the quiche fish and remind you that you are the heart of your wee clan and they would be lost without you and that this shitty stressful time will pass. Am glad you're off to the docs tomorrow.

Chasing thanks I'm still super proud of you whether sad or smile . You're doing an amazing thing - keep going hon. I echo the wise words of others to get out of the house every day and just descend on others for company.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 20:06:14

Yep , worth thinking about. Will ask GP tomorrow.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 20:15:02

Sarcasm pidj ? Don't get it.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 20:15:38

Though I am slow and a bit thick at the moment smile

YellowWellies Sun 18-Aug-13 20:16:58

PR I don't think pidj was being sarcastic but maybe suggesting you've been burying what you're going through in an attempt to be strong. thanks

Evening all!

We've ended up having a nice day, been to a friends for a BBQ. As soon as M is with other people/children she's not bothered about me and DH, she's off playing and barely gives us a glance.

More or less sorted for work tomorrow, just watching the MotoGP while I write my "M notebook"
I'm going to write emergency contacts, likes, dislikes, rough routine. I'm sending her with food to MILs tomorrow so should I write what's for when or just tell her or just leave her too it? Also, I want to write some don'ts but don't want it to look too PFB, should I just leave them put and hope she doesn't do them. Just things like just water, no juice or milk. No sweets/chocolate. That kind of thing. Don't want to look too bitchy though so may just leave it

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 18-Aug-13 20:21:19

Ohhh pr you are having a rough time you have had a lot to cope with no wonder you are anxious. Infact if you lived here they would prob be talking about a touch of pnd because of the stress of everything that has happened in the last year, and before that by the sounds of it. It is ok sometimes not to be able to cope, to buckle under the strain and to go aaarrrggggghhhhhhhh. It doesn't sound like you get enough time to nurture yourself, I think ou should prioritise a bit of nurturing madamme! smile (((hug))))

Pikz Sun 18-Aug-13 20:26:13

PR sending you the most massive cuddles and a gentle fish slap. You are coping amazeballs well with all you have been put under. I hope the doc can help you tomorrow.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 20:32:31

I am not even pretending to cope at the moment. I long for a few hours on my own, a clean house and a haircut. The children are picking up on my stress and are bored senseless. And the irony? Today, one week before going to nursery I discovered today that just 20km away there is the only baby activity group for 50+ this side of the border. We could have gone every Wednesday. And it's in English! Songs and shit for babies to get used to hearing English. Run my French people so would have had to stop myself from correcting them.

but am I forcing myself to be strong? Yes, of course. DH is brilliant and supportive but I am the rock in this relationship, always have been. He doesn't cope well when I don't, at least not with the horrendous pressure he is constantly under at work.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 18-Aug-13 20:32:54

F stood unaided for at least 5 seconds today. She was distracted at the time by the remote control, obviously. Fuck. She isn't going to bother crawling, is she? One day she's just going to get up and toddle after me confused

PurplePidjin Sun 18-Aug-13 20:35:52

No! Sorry! I meant the Dr could dx you with Anxiety to avoid the dreaded D word that the French are so stroppy about thanks

I was dx with depression and anxiety as a result of PTSD a few years back (junki neighbours had thugs hired to knock them about a bit. Thugs were v thick and got the wrong house at 3am. New uPVC front door require where they kicked it off the hinges). Anxiety Disorders are a medical thing.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 18-Aug-13 20:36:29

Fatima if the trip to MIL is regular, then I would firmly state your "rules" from the off - easier than trying to correct things later on. If friends/family or dh are looking after F I write a list of her rough routine, as it seems fair, not pfb, rather than leaving someone to work out what it's taken us 9 months to do...if that makes sense.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 20:43:43

pidj it's just pnd they are funny about; normal depression is accepted, and in fact less taboo than in the UK. She did diagnose me with situation related anxiety. Will see what she says tomorrow though. I hope it's her, not her colleague - I don't feel up to explaining the wholesituation again. I want a referral to a shrink too. I need to stop obsessing over this work thing and I think I might need some PTSD counselling over my illness from a couple of years ago - every stomach twinge brings me out in a cold sweat.

ValiumQueen Sun 18-Aug-13 20:44:26

PR today I could have happily got in the car and kept driving. Happily. I took the girls out for a treat, just me and them, and DD2 was the worst behaved I have ever seen her. We came home as I was embarrassed and ashamed. And very very angry. I, of course, blamed myself for her behaviour, but thankfully saw sense after a few minutes locked alone in the kitchen. Big hugs xxx

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 20:47:37

shock that must have been terrifying pidj . I lived in some very rough areas in Paris but the worst (ironically my favourite) was when I rented a flat in a quite nice building but often had to step over junkies in the rning as I left. I was often kept awake at night by brawls, DV and on one memorable occasion, gunshots.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 18-Aug-13 20:57:11

Your DD2 sounds very similar to my DD1 vq - brimming with love energyand naughtiness energy in equal measure? And you never know quite which side is going to present itself?

Fatima I would write a list of her habits, things which are really important, but keep the don'ts to a minimum. Say healthy snacks and drinks, eg rice cakes and fruit are better because the refined sugar in squash and sweets sends her into a nap dodging sugar high.something like that. Things that will help her make decisions but isn't too prescriptive iyswim. Then I'd just let them get on with it andlearn whatworksbest for 3everyone.

Thanks pr and pidj I've written a list of likes and dislikes and then a rough routine with notes about extra water and extra milk in foods. Will see how she goes.

pr good luck with your doctors appt tomorrow. Shrink referral sounds a good idea, if you're having health anxieties then I can sympathise with how quickly they can take hold from just a little twinge. And that's without me being through the experiences you have. (((Hugs)))

There was an article in the Telegraph about the pharma company I work for being bought out (it was finalised on Friday). Hopefully it won't mean too much change for our jobs.

PurplePidjin Sun 18-Aug-13 21:53:03

Yeah, that and the rival gang chucking stones up and shouting abuse on the way home from the pub. All going on while i was working at the local PRU hmm They were very friendly and polite, although i did have to call SS on them a few times - their 6yo had been excluded from year R and you could really see where he got it from sad nice community nurse told me he got put in care so i hope things are better for him now, sweet kid if you kept him in line. I think i was the first person to give him a cuddle and a compliment

Anyway, my point was meant to be that you could avoid all doubt by calling it Anxiety not depression. Then there's no worry about units etc.

ChasingDaisy Sun 18-Aug-13 21:59:18

Thank fuck today is over. All fed, none dead, right?

Goodnight quiche x

Passmethecrisps Sun 18-Aug-13 22:07:24

Everyone fed, nobody dead is my mantra, sista.

Sing it, quiche!

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 18-Aug-13 22:10:54

Hey quiche,

Sorry been a bit absent of late. Have had a mixture of a fab time and a horroundous time.

Have had lots of fun out and about at various places with friends and family. DD1 was so tired yesterday she didn't get up till 10.15 am and then asked to go to bed at 6.30pm as she was exhausted. Catching up from the excitement of Lollibop festival on the friday I think which was great fun.

E has been an angel behaviour wise but food/drinking have been an issue. We were advised by the gastro speciliast to reduce the ranitidine dosage to start weaning her off it. So I have and it's bitten us in the arse. She's started vommitting a lot, some of it is coffee ground vomit. She started drinking from a bottle which was so encouraging but it's been counteracted by the vommitting. I also ran out of ranitidine yesterday. I had ordered a repeat prescription from my GP but they said I wouldn't have it till 3pm tomorrow. Well I'm supposed to be driving to Bath for 3 days tomorrow morning so I went to my local PAU and they got me a prescription and called a couple of chemists for me to find out where it was in stock. I was so impressed with them. I'm finding it hard to get E to take the ranitidine. She started taking it by spoon but spits it out now so I think I'll have to try syringing again. Course when she had the ng tube I used to put it straight in there. Any tips for how to get the medicine in her would be gratefully received.

Anyway.....I will get back on track with the medicine and hopefully the vommitting will subside. I'm not hopefull for any weight gain this time but hopefully we can keep the tube out a bit longer. This is all such a learning curve. Hopefully we are over the latest little pitfull.

Sorry this wasn't meant to be a long woe is me post. There seem to be some tough times round the quiche again at the moment. pr and chasing my thoughts are with you both. You are both increadabily strong women and both facing equally tough challenges, albeit of different kinds. Sorry that probably sounds really patronising. I'm not good with words.

On a postivie note, my friend has just asked me to be godmother to her 2 DD's. The eldest one is 8 weeks older than my DD1 and he youngest is 2 days younger than E. I was overwhelmed that she's asked me. Unfortunatly I don't think I can do it as I've never been christened sad but I feel honoured that she asked me.

Bry Very belated happy birthday wishes. Sounds like you had a lovely time.

izzy welcome back. I'm so glad J is starting to eat. He'll get there and looks so happy in the pictures you post on fb.

pr and vq Whenever I read of your DD's it reminds me of my DD1. She is an absolute delight and terror in equal measure. I have to leep reminding myself it's good to have a girl with character but good god sometimes I wish she'd tone it down a bit a hell of a lot.

I'm not sure if I'll get online whilst I'm away. Am staying in a travel lodge with both DD's and I left it too late to book so all the family rooms are gone. Have to share a double bed with DD1 which will be interesting! going to visit my aunt who lives in Bath and I'll take the girls to longleat safari park so looking forward to it. Hope I can read of happier times round the quiche when I get back.

ValiumQueen Sun 18-Aug-13 22:21:32

Have a good trip Eliza x

PR I think our girls are cut from the same cloth grin

Everyone fed, nobody dead smile

Night night all, and hope you have the best night ever Izzy x

ValiumQueen Sun 18-Aug-13 22:26:58

Thankfully J loves his syringes no matter what they contain. He proper giggles when he sees it coming. Perhaps I should give him purée that way?

Eliza my J is so much better on omeprazole. Have they ever suggested that for E? It is much nicer to take as well. J hated the ranitidine as it is such a strong flavour. Could you dilute it with juice or something equally nice?

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 18-Aug-13 22:34:18

No vq. It's never been suggested. To be fair the ranitidine was doing the job whilst the ng tube was in. It's only since it's come out that the reflux is causing issues again. I'll have to go back to the pead and get E reassessed. I knew it wouldn't be an easy ride but I didn't expect to go back to square one.

Ah well, everybody fed, no one dead. Both DD's sleeping peacefully. Could be a lot worse!

StuntNun Sun 18-Aug-13 23:03:07

Eliza the Spilly Spoon is the shiz for getting medicines into wriggly babies and older children and my dad uses one because he won't spill the medicine even though he has Parkinson's.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 18-Aug-13 23:34:56

Thanks for the warm welcome back everyone. I'm hoping with time sleep will get better. Last ought he did so well with a good stretch in cot then screamy meltdown. He's been in cot now for half an hour. 11pm bedtime is ridiculous! Hoping I can sleep tonight . Shouldn't be a problem really as I had about 3hours last night of it was lucky! Kitchen looked fab tho!

Went out today and wore J in the sling for first time outside. He loved it and we wouldn't have managed where we were with a pram so was win win! I'm not sure I like the colour of one of the wraps I bought, it's a bit murky almost, and I am loving all the pretty ones on some of the sling Facebook groups! It's an addiction!

ValiumQueen Mon 19-Aug-13 00:22:53

Still cannot sleep. Grr. Spent the last couple of hours on FB trying to find my long lost niece hmm Managed to find a couple of exes though, so was delighted to see that they are both still sad bastards grin Actually made me really quite grateful for the fat hairy snoring lump next to me. He has his faults, but things could have been much much worse.

PurplePidjin Mon 19-Aug-13 03:37:43

Everybody fed, nobody dead.

StuntNun Mon 19-Aug-13 04:49:41

Did you know there's egg in horseradish sauce? One Sunday roast = the amazing non-sleeping screaming baby.

YellowWellies Mon 19-Aug-13 05:07:14

Eliza we give omeprazole mixed with a wee bit of fruit puree now as he was getting too good at spitting the entire dose back in our faces!!!!

Stunt that sucks!!!!!

*VQ, Izzy*hope you is tucked up in the land of nod.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 19-Aug-13 06:12:14

Morning quiche. Feeling a bit better as I slept but dreading the Dr appointment later on this evening.