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June 2013 (2) - attempting to get into a routine!

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MrsBri Thu 08-Aug-13 01:29:14

New thread for us ladies. :-)

AmIGoingMad Thu 08-Aug-13 02:25:00

Thanks mrsbri! Marking place!

curlyclaz13 Thu 08-Aug-13 02:43:44

marking place.

pinkapples Thu 08-Aug-13 03:16:48

Marking my place grin

Morning ladies....

AlohaMama Thu 08-Aug-13 06:14:54

Ah the thread title says it all. My attempts at a routine have failed dismally the last two days, due to Evie's apparent inability to sleep in the morning. Yesterday she only slept 1 hour in the morning, when she was in the carrier, this morning just off and on - she'd cry every time I put her down, and if she dozed off in my arms, she'd cry when I put her down to sleep. Then both afternoons she slept for 5 hours and at that point I'm reluctant to wake her up to feed according to schedule. Nights are still fine, which I'm thankful for, but I wish she would just be able to spend 5 minutes not in my arms in the morning. It's the most difficult time as that is when ds needs entertaining

I've decided maternity leave is all wrong. I'd rather go back to work after 4 weeks, then take maternity leave when baby is 4 months and has learnt to self-soothe a little bit!

Sorry for moany post, just been a tough couple of days.

AlohaMama Thu 08-Aug-13 06:15:30

ooh and thanks for new thread mrsbri!

Aloha I know what you mean. Ds seems to be really fighting the sleep during the day so then gets really cranky. He fusses at breast, and not interested in play mat etc when over tired. Nightmare for cooking dinner as he won't go down.
Thankfully getting more of a pattern at night (even if I did feed 4 times!!)

Hawkmoth Thu 08-Aug-13 07:18:35

I'm sorry to have to post this, but last night Bobbie moaned to be put in her cot, then slept for six hours from midnight. She's done it, become reasonable!

AmIGoingMad Thu 08-Aug-13 07:41:44

Aloha I hope that things get better soon. It's hard isn't it. I definitely agree with the mat leave thing!

Hawk that's amazing!

We had 10-2.30 then 3.30- 6.30 here last night so it could be worse.

AlohaMama Thu 08-Aug-13 07:45:21

Well done Hawk!

I know I shouldn't complain too much as nights are pretty consistent - feed at 7.30-8.30 ish, work on getting to sleep (tonight was quite easy), and then she'll go till around 3.30/4.00 am. And then go straight back to sleep for another 1-1.5 hrs. It's just the mornings....

Never thought I'd say this but I'm quite looking forward to moving back in with my parents in 2 weeks, just to have an extra pair of hands to hold the baby!

Hawkmoth Thu 08-Aug-13 10:27:15

It's evenings here that are a pain. Getting the children to bed when baby is cluster feeding and screaming when off the boob is a nightmare of fisticuffs and toothpaste all over the bathroom. But I can pay that price.

Aloha, love it when my mum comes and I can hand baby over... And have a hot brew! Interestingly, I still can't stomach coffee.

curiousgeorgie Thu 08-Aug-13 10:42:59

I don't know what we did or how we did it but Sephy slept from midnight till 7.15 last night grin

(DD1 up at 2 after a nightmare though so you can't have it all!)

learnermummy Thu 08-Aug-13 10:44:08

Morning! Marking my place.

Didn't really get into proper daytime routine with either of mine til starting weaning at 6 months and suspect this little lady will be similar! Might be easier if formula feeding.

Have both older kids out til 3pm today so loving the peace here! Just hope Anna let's me get some stuff done!

Sarah2506 Thu 08-Aug-13 12:18:23

Marking place. Jabs are horrid aren't they. Did anyone else cry?! I just felt so mean! Admittedly she seemed perfectly fine within half an hour!

learnermummy Thu 08-Aug-13 12:56:56

Anna is a different baby today, currently having her second decent nap. Trouble is - is this because a) I've given up dairy, b) I've given up fizzy drinks, c) I've persevered with the colic drops even though she spits most out, d) the boys are out or e) none of the above!!

MadameJ Thu 08-Aug-13 14:03:29

Well just returned from our 6 week check and have officially lost what little faith I had in the hv. They weighed dd and she is now 12lb 10oz so obviously I was feeling very smug!! I then get told that I need to start spacing her feeds out....what a load of nonsense, what would I do say "sorry sweetie the hv said you need to wait a bit longer before I give you boob" grrrrrrr!!!!

SunnyL Thu 08-Aug-13 16:01:03

Ola just a quick check in. Spent the morning with the NCT girls wondering just this i.e. whether I should be worried about the lack of daytime routine or whether I should just go with the flow. I've been reading articles 'African babies don't cry' which pretty much tell us to stop reading books and to take your cues from baby. It's quite true you know. When I fly long haul I can sit quite happily next to an African baby and not be disturbed vs a European or an american baby which can make for a nightmare journey. Or maybe I just sit next to the wrong people. Being a mother can really make you doubt yourself can't it!

pinkbear82 Thu 08-Aug-13 16:12:42

Hello ladies - thanks for new thread mrsbri.

Any resemblance of a daytime routine went out the window this week with the dsds here (they go home Sunday evening). 8 year old DSD has just taken dd off of me as I finished changing her, because she can settle her.... Well dd has now fallen asleep on her, I did offer DSD to put her in Moses basket but no, she wants to hold her....hoping for a nice 3 hour nap and DSD won't pull that move again. She'll sulk either way, if I put dd down or now because she's stuck holding her, but this way being her choice she'll scream less.

That was quite whiny of me, I'm tired today, and its starting to show with less patience. And a little fed up with my house not being my own and having to remind DP that his dds would like to spend some time while they are here with him, and while he isn't in a grump or rushing around.

Roll on next week when I can get a routine back. Is it too early for wine?!

curlyclaz13 Thu 08-Aug-13 16:39:30

pinkbear it's never to early for wine
I hope things return to normal soon.

pinkapples Thu 08-Aug-13 19:46:21

Been to the doctors today about Theiah's skin they reckon eczema but that it should clear up got some cetraben for the daytime and some hydromol for nighttime which is lovely for massage as its really greasy :-)

learnermummy Thu 08-Aug-13 20:34:21

What a load of nonsense Madame, why on earth are they suggesting that? Well done in the amazing feeding you're doing.

DontmindifIdo Thu 08-Aug-13 20:53:53

Hawk - yay! did you know that 6 hours in a stretch is the offical defination of 'sleeping through' that sleep specialist medical professionals use? you can now smugly say "oh gosh, she's sleeping through already." and look suitably 'perfect mum' at frazzled others... wink

Madame - the HV rules, you don't ask for advice, if they offer you any, you nod and smile, nod and smile, then go off and do what works - and woo on the big baby !

i think we have a sort of routine, it's just a crap one for me, she sleeps pretty much all morning, but then is awake all evening - however right now she's asleep, but I'm putting that down to the jabs today, IIRC, DS slept loads in the 24 hours after each set of jabs. I'm a little concerned she's not taking enough milk in the day, is struggling to finish each bottle, so needing a couple of night feeds still, if I could just get her to load up in the day time we might get more sleep...

I ca'nt believe she's 9 weeks now! I also can't quite believe the bag I took to hospital is still sat in the corner of our bedroom with a couple of things in it that need to be put away.

Evening all, just checking in from my holidays! Currently have 6, 5, 3 & 3 year olds in bed, 1yo and M are still up and rampaging! We're with my sis, BIL, nephews and niece smile nice but a bit stressy with all the kids.

M is 12 weeks old today shock can't quite believe it tbh. He's got really smiley and alert over the last week or so, which is lovely - he spends ages looking around trying to see what's going on grin

Re routines, not a chance! He's sleeping really well at night though, from midnight or 1am ish to 7 or 8am the last couple of nights, which is lovely - probably jinxed it now though grin

pinkbear82 Thu 08-Aug-13 20:58:11

Thanks curly, I have been a bit selfish this evening and had some me time (well dd was with me) but have made DP have his two and keep them busy!

I never quite understand hv's most come from some kind of a medical background, mainly nurses these days but some midwives....how can they be so useless. I spoke to mine about Violet's reflux and he (yeah a he) told me she was probably just taking too much milk in. Funnily enough when gp suggested talking to hv re giving the gaviscon and tips I decided not to bother. The pharmacist was far more helpful.

Hawkmoth Thu 08-Aug-13 21:22:07

Dontmindifido... I can balance that smugness with frustration at not being able to do anything in the day. Well nothing useful anyway. I managed to go to the shops for a birthday card on my own with her today. I was very wobbly legged pushing the pram up a hill. A long way to go with my iron levels. I've been anaemic on and off for EVER but this is the worst I think.

So yes, that was an hour where I didn't have to hold her. Now is her light sleeping time so I'm in bed with a DVD set on. Baby is on my belly, iPad in front on the v-cushion. I've got my boob in her face, but not mouth, so that she feels happy enough to keep her eyes shut while she puffs and frowns and wrings her hands. This, and the constant need for sugar, is the hardest part of breastfeeding.

I've got HV on Monday. Not sure how good she is as last time she just filled in a ream of paperwork!

curiousgeorgie Thu 08-Aug-13 21:36:08

Pinkapples - Sephys skin was so bad all over I was sure it was eczema and we've been religiously putting oilatum on her every nappy change and also in her bath with prescribed hydrocortisone in her creases twice a day and its really starting to clear up now and they're saying it was just 'baby rash'.

Her 7 straight hours at night was great but I've really paid for it today! She didn't sleep even one minute from when she woke up until 4. It makes me feel so sad for the life my DD1 used to have.

My parents are offering to take us all to chessington world of adventures tomorrow while DH is at work...been a complete recluse lately so trying to work up the bravery to go, DD1 is only 2 but she completely loves it there are deserves a treat, but I have visions of Sephy screaming all day long confused

curiousgeorgie Thu 08-Aug-13 21:37:34

And Hawkmoth, that sounds blissfull! I pine for the days I used to lay in bed with DD1 with a DVD on smile

AmIGoingMad Thu 08-Aug-13 22:01:36

I'm impressed with all these babies sleeping through! Dd went 6 hours between feeds today but unfortunately it was this morning and not during the night!

Curious I'm also feeling sad for the life DS used to havehmm Enjoy chessington tomrw. I'm sure it'll be fine! I'm Aldo a recluse at the moment. Hoping being able to drive from next week will make that better.

Sorry you're having a crazy week Pinkbear. Only a few days left now thankfully!

HV advice is crazy. I'm getting good at the nodding and ignoring tactic now!

MrsBri Thu 08-Aug-13 22:26:23

Just running in to say...OMG poonami!!!

Poo all over Amy, vest and new jim jams, accompanied by lots of screaming.

I'm hoping that the purge was the end of all the tummy troubles now and all the nasty wind and screaming will stop.

Enjoy your time away Rue.

I'm glad you managed me time, pink.

Chessington sounds great, Georgie.

Hi to everyone else...I'm on my phone so can't go back to see who else I'm speaking to!

SunnyL Fri 09-Aug-13 06:15:48

Oooh Dontmind i think i get to be one of those smug mothers as Lily slept from 8pm to 3am. Didnt realise that counted as sleeping through.

Of course cant be too smug as i was out for coffee yesterday when a lady came up to me and said 'Excuse me but your baby has just been sick all down your back'. This was made worse by my realisation that i'd forgotten the change bag. She then went and did a giant poo which she had to sit in until we got home. I was very crafty though and passed her to DH and didnt say a word about the lovely surprise he was going to find in her nappy grin.

pinkapples Fri 09-Aug-13 06:38:34

Love the craftiness sunny grinI would have done the same

Have fun at chessington I bet you have a great time

Apparently last night Theiah wanted me to be one of those mothers too she had a bath and bottle at 7 then slept till 10 then had a bottle and nappy change and slept from 10.22pm until 5.47am gringringrin
A one off no doubt but made me feel better

curlyclaz13 Fri 09-Aug-13 07:46:06

Good poo news MrsBri !
nothing on the sleep scale some of you get but last night was 11, 2, 4 and 7.30 grin and no poonami's grin

MadameJ Fri 09-Aug-13 07:52:44

No long stretches here either, I did actually manage to get her to sleep by 8 (which was a first) and then she woke at 11, 2:30 & 5.00 for a feed and she took ages to settle at 2:30!!

pinkbear82 Fri 09-Aug-13 08:03:31

I'm still trying to get Violet to go more than 2 hours between feeds! If I can get her to sleep as she starts to get cranky during the day we can get to 3 hours but other wise it's not always working.

We went out yesterday and were having lunch in a cafe and I was feeding Violet, there was an old couple on the next table who were cooing over her, and when she finished feeding, as DP had managed to eat his food, I passed her to him to wind so I could get on with mine. She did the loudest burp ever the old couple roared with laughter and were over the moon.... A couple on the table the other side looked less than impressed!

DP at work again today, distracting the girls on the wii until a decent hour as they want to go outside to play, and aren't the quietest! Might also do a picnic lunch somewhere, shall see how the morning goes!

Hope all of those going out and about today have lovely days, enjoy and remember, someone back along on here said it, even if baby is screaming its only a few seconds others are passing you and therefore hearing it. And the little ones always have a knack of making it sound so much worse. Have a great day.

AmIGoingMad Fri 09-Aug-13 08:43:05

Very good advice there Pinkbear- I hadn't really thought of it like that. I suppose its only you stood there the whole time and aware of how long the screaming's going on for- others just get a feeling view of it!

Those using formula- what are you doing for out and about feeds? Are you using ready made or taking a made up feed with you and storing it in a certain way?

There's some mighty impressive sleeping going on here! Enjoy and well done for having magical babies!

I'm going stir crazy as is DS I think. Can't wait to see gp next week! Am lucky that pils are taking DS out tho.

MrsBri Fri 09-Aug-13 09:05:58

That's a good point re the screaming / passers by. Hadn't thought of it like that!

The screaming carried on after the poonami, but she still had awful, violent farting. Once the comfort milk has worked through the system it should ease, though I'm hoping the poo has helped too.

She's been farting in her sleep without pain, which is promising.

She also slept 23.15-3.45, which is great :-) Once she feels better it should improve more.

It's good to see a lot of others doing the same.

AmI, we have a bottle bag to keep bottles cool and and ace Tommy Tippee flask which we use to heat the bottle. Or we use a carton if it is a longer day out.

pinkbear82 Fri 09-Aug-13 09:39:22

Must remember it myself sometimes! Still can get flustered and flap a bit. But it stays at the back of my mind.

Of to see the penguins today....buses, busy town centre, buggy, packed lunch, etc etc, bound to forget something! Suppose as long as I come back with the same children I set out with that's something!!

pinkapples Fri 09-Aug-13 09:45:45

Sounds good mrsbri fingers crossed it improves for you

Aml we fresh boil water and put it in the bottles then put the powdered formula in one of those containers to add to the bottle (don't like the idea of formula sitting in a bag till we need it) were lucky she drinks it hot or warm or room temp so no need to heat if out but if we are somewhere where we can get hot water to heat it we do grin

DontmindifIdo Fri 09-Aug-13 09:59:46

Yep, noone realises that "sleeping through" is only 6 hours in a go. Really puts it into persective doesn't it?

DH got ratted last night at a colleague's leaving drinks. As we are co-sleeping with DD, I made him sleep on an airbed rather than in our bed last night (well, he could have had the sofa) - I'm debating making this a regular arrangement, I rather like having the whole bed for just me and the girl... grin

MrsBri Fri 09-Aug-13 11:00:40

Has anyone else's baby eaten less / slept more recently?

Amy refused most of her last feed, and cried a lot. She's been asleep ever since.

She seemed ok in herself, apart from the crying, earlier, and was babbling at me while I was changing her and smiling at me.

Should I be worried or see how it goes? Just conscious it's the weekend tomorrow so I can't get advice easily.

I think she's probably really tired from all the screaming over the last couple of days, but she hasn't refused food like that until now.


DontmindifIdo Fri 09-Aug-13 13:48:22

MrsB - DD has also been a little off her food and sleepy, I've put that down to her jabs yesterday - and the weather here is very muggy. She's basically slept all morning, not looking forward to this evening...

Are you FFing? If so, I'd just keep offering her little top ups. If BFing, it could be she's getting more efficent so she's taking less time to get the milk out IYSWIM

Hawkmoth Fri 09-Aug-13 14:34:02

Argh! I'm just spending my life waiting for the next antiques programme on telly. 28 minutes to Secret Dealers. Baby again with face next to boob, also her arm is casually draped over it in a somewhat proprietary manner.

Cake please.

SunnyL Fri 09-Aug-13 14:50:55

Operation Get Lily to Sleep in her Cot in the Daytime is off the starting blocks. Managed 20 mins of sleeping this morning followed by 20 mins of chatting to herself. This afternoon wasn't quite so successful when we managed 15 mins before full meltdown occurred. The articles I've read seem to suggest that if I just stick at it she should spend longer and longer napping each time.

Has anyone else who have had difficulties with daytime sleep had any success? There seems to be 2 schools of thought - one that I should persevere and the other that she'll nap in her cot when she's good and ready.

Mrsbri are you around the 6 week mark? Everything went a bit funny on us around that time for feeding and sleeping. Perhaps that's it?

AmIGoingMad Fri 09-Aug-13 15:00:16

Mrsbri E has seemingly dropped one of her morning feeds in favour of sleep for the last two days but then has fed more frequently than usual in the late afternoon/ early evening. Maybe she'll do that?

I would probably monitor and get her to out of hours if you are worried over the weekend.

Im sure its just a combination of the new milk/ hot weather/ relief after her poo etc.

Pinkbear - enjoy the penguins!

Pinkapples- so you add the powder to the water after its cooled then?

AmIGoingMad Fri 09-Aug-13 15:01:03

Well done sunny!

MrsBri Fri 09-Aug-13 15:50:21

Amy's had a full feed now. It seems that she's perked up :-)

The new formula has to be made up as you need it, so we have a flask of hot water and a chilled one in the fridge to do that quickly.

And yes, we're 7 weeks on Sunday, Sunny. Well done re the cot. We will be doing that too once we've got back into the nights which will resume when the night time screaming stops. Fingers crossed that's soon after yesterday's poo.

Hawk, that's not good, is it? Amazing how standards drop when you have a new baby. :-/

And now I can't remember who else to reply to!

pinkbear82 Fri 09-Aug-13 16:51:40

4 buses, penguins, gorilla hunt and the library and we're all home in one bit. smile

mrsbri glad Amy has picked up. always a worry if food isn't being accepted.

still need to buy a mattress for our cot! her crib and Moses basket have seen us through so far. her cot at the moment has a selection of random
baby items in. And the chair in her room has been claimed by the cat!!

MrsBri Fri 09-Aug-13 17:56:59

Arrhghhh...back to evening screaming :-(

It's definitely poo-related. Or lack of poo, I should say.

This new milk had better kick in soon.

Glad you had a good day out, pink :-)

pinkbear82 Fri 09-Aug-13 18:04:58

Ooo mrsbri you have my sympathy, sending soothing hugs to you all. Must be horrid. Hoping it settles for you soon.

SunnyL Fri 09-Aug-13 18:17:14

I'm with you on the early evening crankiness MrsBri. Ours is sleep related though. Being a piglet the only way to calm her is feed her, wait for her to puke most of it back up and wait for her to scream again. Hilarious.

Sunny we have just had same cycle. Feed sick then sleep....
Bit concerned sleeping earlier than i'd like but I've not eaten yet so hoping ds will go in crib so I can eat.
I've come to the conclusion that unless I need ds weighing, hv's are useless. What do they get paid for exactly?!

pinkapples Fri 09-Aug-13 21:04:00

Yes aml we do grin

Hopefully it'll kick in soon mrsbri and yes this is the 2nd day Theiah has gone from 12.30-5.30 without a feed she just doesn't seem to want the one between 2/3 that she has been having its now looking like 5 bottles of 5 per day but well see what happens in the next week or so

MrsBri Fri 09-Aug-13 21:19:20

That's interesting. We look like we're heading for 5x5 too. Hmmm!

We just stealth fed Amy. She looked like she was waking for food, so I made a bottle and DH fed her before she fully woke. She's now milk drunk and zonked. Result!

But I don't like to tempt fate. :-/

pinkapples Fri 09-Aug-13 21:57:43

Unfortunately I have a baby doing acrobatics so when she does finally go to bed she better stay there! grin

pinkapples Fri 09-Aug-13 22:27:23

A quick development question are your babies turning their heads towards sounds? I know Theiah hears them as if I clap loudly she'll blink and startle but she doesn't turn yet towards it just wondered if any babies were and how old they are gringrin

Pink not noticed, we are 7 weeks. It's usually between 12-16 weeks though

MrsBri Sat 10-Aug-13 02:48:25

I've not noticed either, also almost 7 weeks. She apparently moves her eyes towards us if she hears our voice somewhere else, but I've not seem her turn her head, only jump. I'll keep an eye out.

Amy has just slept for 5.5 hours, and we raised her from that sleep to feed and change her so we can all go to bed. We were all on the sofa!

It's been an exhausting week and as we've had no poo today, she may still be in a terrible mood tomorrow. We shall see!

Hawkmoth Sat 10-Aug-13 10:40:19

Hi pinkapples, Bobbie does turn her head towards sounds. She's 6+3 and has been doing for a while. Like DS she could support and turn her head very early. She mostly turns to look at the other kids and smile.

pinkapples Sat 10-Aug-13 16:16:34

Wow hawk grin yea Theiah can hold head and moves with quite a bit of control just not really toward sound yet although her eyes do gogrin

SunnyL Sat 10-Aug-13 17:06:14

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn. I have just woken up after a 2hr nap. How decadent. No idea where my baby and DH arebut the house is suspiciously quiet.

Feel very naughty as i was planning on starting that C25k thing today. Lazy lazy me!

Hawkmoth Sat 10-Aug-13 17:34:09

Pinkapples, the baby rolled over during her newborn check on day 3. She's an outlier obviously. Just hoping this doesn't translate to early walking/chaos. The contained and portable stage is all too short.

curlyclaz13 Sat 10-Aug-13 20:00:08

has anyone cut their babies nails yet, ? Oscar's are sharp and when he feeds he wiggles his little hands about and grabs my boobs. I am scared to do it in case I nip him.
Also anyone else bf use anything to occupy their lo's hands ? I had to take my necklace off as he grabbed it and I didn't want him breaking it, but him clawing me is a bit annoying !

AlohaMama Sat 10-Aug-13 20:18:03

curly I sometimes just hold her hands in mine to contain them, or swaddle her during feeding. I've cut her nails loads, they grow so quick and are so ridiculously sharp. I use nail scissors - find them much easier to control, and less likely to clip off the end of her finger!

Does anyone else's lo ever cry mid feed? Not sure if its tummy ache or what but its horrible to watch.

curlyclaz13 Sat 10-Aug-13 20:40:53

I think I would need about six people to swaddle him with his arms in grin I will buy some nail scissors and brave it, is it easier after a bath so they are softer ?

Curly my ds's nails are so soft I'm just peeling them off. (The long bit obviously not the whole nail!) they come off really easily and then I don't have to worry about cutting him. He is using his hands alot more and really starting to grasp things.
No hope of swaddling his arms in either!

pinkapples Sat 10-Aug-13 21:52:23

Wow hawkmoth that's fab Theiah was rolling from back to side at about week 2 what I noticed today was a conversation between her and my mum which was quite funny grin my mum would talk then stop and Theiah would make some really good vocalisations and sounds was hilarious

curlyclaz13 Sun 11-Aug-13 10:31:56

oh dear I am turning into a clingy mum. OH has just gone to the shops with oscar in the sling for the first time, I know he will be ok but I am twitching away waiting for them to get back. The shop is about two minutes walk away. OH has been desperate to wear him since the new sling came but Oscar is fussy in the evening so this is the first chance, I'm not dressed yet and I think OH has done this on purpose so I can't come too (and take over/panic). How has this happened ? I am usually so laid back sad

curlyclaz13 Sun 11-Aug-13 11:06:13

Following a near meltdown they are back safe ! local shop wasn't open so they walked to town. I didn't get dressed and run to the shop in a panic at all no not me blush . OH came back in singing at the top of his voice having passed they local church nearby and overhead their enthusiastic singing.

Hawkmoth Sun 11-Aug-13 11:40:56

Hmm. He could have texted to let you know he would be longer. I know what you mean about the worrying though, it can be paralysing but it does get easier.

We were all set to go for a walk today but instead I'm sat feeding the baby and it's started raining. I'm so bored that I've started having really detailed dreams about things like driving somewhere and shopping in charity shops. Today really smarts though because normally ten to twelve is not a feeding time and I can actually put her down or go out. Sulk.

curlyclaz13 Sun 11-Aug-13 12:08:23

Well I would of called him but he left his phone at home, the shop is only two minutes away but he won't ever go without it again after I pointed out I had no freaking idea where he was or what had happened.

DontmindifIdo Sun 11-Aug-13 12:55:06

oh bless Curlyclaz! It's ok to be a little bit OTT at this stage, just remember your OH is Oscar's parent too and after you is the safest place for your wee man to be. Make sure you do let them have lots of time together, a daddy/son bond is an important one.

(But yes, phones on when in charge of DCs!)

Steffanoid Sun 11-Aug-13 13:08:53

hi everyone! We're back after a lovely holiday only downside was bils 9mo screaming every time they do her nappy and every time it felt like they were stood right outside our room! back home now and ethan is in his cot in our room and last night he was asleep in there from half 7 with us in the living room with the monitor on it was literally glued to my ear with the tv right down!!
hes got so much more vocal and attentive this week its unreal

Sunbeam18 Sun 11-Aug-13 13:30:07

Anyone else had a period yet? Think mine has started today - boo. Bleeding stopped 3 weeks after birth and am now at almost 7 weeks so assuming it must be period? Feels and looks like it. Damn; could have done without that for a few more months.

pinkapples Sun 11-Aug-13 14:44:15

Well sunbeam I am having what I think is a period my lochia stopped about 5 weeks afte birth and now I'm nearly 9 and I've been bleeding for what will be 2 weeks on Wednesday! Not cool!

curlyclaz13 Sun 11-Aug-13 15:29:48

I have a horrible feeling mine are back, already bled twice after the initial bleed and now spotting and cramps. I thought bf was supposed to mean no periods not having them every two weeks. sad

pinkapples Sun 11-Aug-13 16:39:42

Miscalculated it will be 4 weeks on Wednesday hmm but I think it's coming to an end now

I have an apt with the consultant with my stitches on the 10th sept but Theiah's first swimming lesson is the 8th sept... Opinions on whether I could swim or not?

SunnyL Sun 11-Aug-13 21:46:15

Oh god it's been a long day. I have no idea what was wrong with the little girl but she pretty much screamed all day and fed every hour. She passed out very quickly after her bath tonight so was in bed by 8 but woke up within 15 minutes and I've been listening to her grumbling over the monitor for the last 1hr45 minutes. According to the ruddy app she is meant to be exiting the grumpy phase any day now. Fat ruddy chance I reckon.

It's all made worse by DH being on night shift so I've got to creep around all morning, then in the afternoon when he got up he tried to take over but she wanted nothing to do with him and now it's my turn again. Rubbish.

curlyclaz13 Sun 11-Aug-13 22:38:09

Sunny, I hope she sleeps soon.
Oscar still is not really sleeping in the day, I think we managed about an hour today while in the sling, I have no idea why I am not in bed myself niw he is asleep, I am knackered ! weekend's go so quickly I am looking forward to OH having a week off soon so hopefully I can get some sleep smile now just to master expressing without oscar noticing and wanting to be fed !

Olimoss Mon 12-Aug-13 06:53:18

Morning all - yet again I've not had a chance to catch up on the thread for a few days - sorry, I'm a very bad thread member.

Hope everyone us doing ok?

Joe has become a bit of a minor miracle and is now off all reflux meds, total med-free. Surgeon is absolutely stoked with him, it's aces.

I rewarded poor Joe by deciding it was time to try a proper routine, and he subsequently rewarded me by bring a dream. He's in definite 4-hrly during day, a dream feed at 1030pm which gets him through to 330am usually, then a quick top up and I'm this morning going to have to wake him at 7am to start the day.

Bloody brilliant! Not that I could moan he's been awful prior but clearly he was ready to go longer between feeds. He should now stop putting on weight so fast, which was starting to concern us all. He's 13 lb, was 7lb2oz at birth (gone from 25th to 60th centile) but think that's cause he was eating 8 times a day. Down to six now.

So Tizzie Hall 'Save Our Sleep' was what I used. I say 'used', I mean ignored everything but the bit I wanted.

We've booked a trip to Morocco in October ... staying in a nice villa so assuming all should be on. Do you think there is anything in particular I should take? I guess I should give him only water I have boiled myself? Or do you reckon taking pre-made formula easiest? We are there a week, it'll weigh a ton!

Apologies for me-me-me post. Will go back read the thread now, before I get J up.

Olimoss Mon 12-Aug-13 06:55:12

Ah I see my boasting bout J's sleep was poorly timed - apologies! If its antyconsolation I'm STILL bleeding ... def not period. Boyfriend despairs of ever getting lucky again !

Olimoss Mon 12-Aug-13 07:00:44

Mrs Bri - we definitely found when J was your daughter's age that he had moments of constipation, not helped by fact he had to have Gaviscon with every feed. We got the Aptimil Comfort & he's been fine since, to the extent that now, at 10+5 we are reintroducing 'normal' formula.

Now he's not on Gaviscon we've been having some quite frankly amazing ( and intimidating) crap-filled nappies.

Good luck!

MrsBri Mon 12-Aug-13 07:38:16

That's excellent news re Joe, Oli.

I'd have thought that boiled water would be fine, and that's what I'd do. You'll need one lot of your baggage allowance for the formula otherwise!

The comfort milk does seem to have released Amy's bowels somewhat! We've been getting one ENORMOUS smelly nappy a day. I know what you mean by intimidating.

We've put her back on the Gaviscon as well as she started grunting and flailing at night again without it, so was clearly suffering in some way.

Have you been to your GP about the bleeding, Oli? It does sound frustrating.

I've now stopped with all lochia and we resumed DTD yesterday. A quickie on the lounge floor while Amy slept. Classy and romantic. :-) Can I just say that condoms are hideous. But better than any other non hormonal alternative.

I really want to have a period, as strange as that seems, as I want my body to return to its usual state.

With regards to fingernails, we've cut and filed Amy's. She did take a chunk out of her nose on Saturday night though, sadly, so I filed them again yesterday, which is up there as a task with clothes that have buttons on the back. Who thought either was a good idea for a baby?

She's still having her longest sleep between about 9-2, which isn't ideal. I'd prefer midnight-5, but never mind!

Sorry to people I've missed. It's a pain being on the phone!

MadameJ Mon 12-Aug-13 08:39:48

Well mrsbri.....we also dtd on the lounge floor whilst dd1 was having a nap upstairs and dd2 was asleep on the floor (infact I think dd2 was probably conceived on the very same floor!!) Parenthood is soooo glamorous x

SunnyL Mon 12-Aug-13 08:55:17

Oof thats better. LO made up for being mean by sleeping 10-5 and then on til 8.30. So i'm recharged and hopeful its going to be a better day. Shes just beamed at me when i went to pick her up so fingers crossed.

Oli we're looking at booking either Greece or Lanzarote end of sept. Are you taking your whole pram? I think LO will be too small for buggy still?

We've been DTD in the spare room. DH has tried it on when Lily was in the basket next to us but it felt weird so we're decamping when the mood takes us. YY to condoms being horrid. Im back on the pill now though and will be getting the implant next week.

Quick Q - how is eveeyones pelvic floor? I went running yest and felt like i was peeing myself the whole time blush

curlyclaz13 Mon 12-Aug-13 09:49:12

half decent night's sleep ! 11.30 -3 4-6.30 which is great for us smile

pinkapples Mon 12-Aug-13 10:06:04

Awful night with my previously angel baby after I went out for the evening and left her with her dad hmmm not sure ill be doing that again in a hurry

So jealous of you all dtd we just want to pounce on each other but sadly have to hold off hmm

In terms of pelvic floor I think mines alright not losing any wee as yet

Any opinions on the swimming I mentioned?

Our angel baby has also gone missing. My ds who never cried, fed well and had good routine (ish) has gone and been replaced by a baby who won't sleep during day, cries all day, and really fussing at breast. I have lost all sense of what he wants now. Tried infacol and dummy is helping but he will fall asleep in my arms then wake up after 10mins screaming. Not sure what it is, possibly griping tummy, really not sure if its just a phase but its exhausting for me. Looks like I'm getting nothing done again today, I can't bear to take him out when he's like this. Got first jabs this week can't imagine they will help!

MrsBri Mon 12-Aug-13 10:56:49

Ah, Madame, I just showed your post to DH! It's all glamour, isn't it?!

Sunny, that's good that angel baby appears to be back :-) Amy appears chirpier now, but she has awful painful farts. We're starting the Infacol again today to see if that helps. It's all trial and error, isn't it?

And pink, not so good re your little one regressing. :-/

Re swimming, if you're still bleeding I'm not sure if you should go. Are you using towels or tampons? If the latter then I'd go.

We are hopefully going swimming in September too.

Is anyone else going to do baby signing? We will do that after the massage classes end in October as it sounds amazing.

I'm booking yoga for September too. We're going to be busy soon :-)

And the good news is that with Housing Benefit we can just afford for me not to go back to work early, which is awesome.

SunnyL Mon 12-Aug-13 13:26:40

Just been shopping to get a dress for Lily for her christening. It appears to be easy to buy clothes to dress your daughter up as a hooker (Next I'm looking at you) but buying a simple white cotton frock isn't that easy. Could get a mahoosive white bridesmaid dress but I didn't think it would be that appropriate for our little church on a normal Sunday morning.

Anyway mission accomplished in the surprising location of Boots the chemist. I never knew they had such nice clothes.

AmIGoingMad Mon 12-Aug-13 13:45:48

Great news re staying off work mrsbri!

Pinkapples- can you phone gp and ask for their advice over the phone?

I'm very jealous of all of these holidays! No such luck here but that's our own fault for not being on top of financial planning for my mat leave.

Lochia wise- I stopped after two weeks but have had a little bit back and forth. Most recent was tiny bit on say morning. I put pad on and there was no more. I bet if I hadn't put pad on then it would have started back properly!

Sleep wise E is also having her longest sleep 9-2. I need to make myself go to bed then but its nice to have 5 mins with DH. No dtd here yet with juggling DS and DD! 6 wks post section on weds which is anniversary so that would be great timing but DH is away with work! Sod's law! Am hoping to get bk on pill soon. I didn't wait for period with DS so will see what the dr says this week.

pinkapples Mon 12-Aug-13 14:57:15

Mrsbri towels at the mo as don't want anything anywhere down there won't be too bad as hubby can go with her or grandma but I wanted to go on her first lesson sad

I might phone that's a good idea

Had my angel baby back today gringrin think she knows mummy's back

curlyclaz13 Mon 12-Aug-13 15:13:45

pukey baby here today, about half his feeds one or the other of us is wearing. He doesn't usually throw up but he is happy in himself so will keep an eye on it. I think he has been piggy today as has fed more than normal.

Olimoss Mon 12-Aug-13 16:08:10

Sunny - Joe has actually been in the pram seat for a couple of weeks now - he's almost grown out of the bassinet and is too interested in the outside world to be cooped up in it. We have an iCandy Strawberrry and the seat reclines all the way and has two other more upright settings. So we just have him laying flat and he's all good. In retrospect we could probably hav gotten away with not buying the bassinet, it's only used for his daytime naps at home...

We will probably only take his carseat to Morocco though, as have a two-hour transfer from Marrakech, maybe we will bring the buggy but not the pram setr. For trips to the souk he can just squish into the carseat on the buggy I guess. Or we could take the baby carrier....we are flying Sleazyjet so prob be a massive pain in thenass to being the whole contraption.

I'm hiring a carseat for when I'm home in Oz and buying a cheapish stroller that lays flat for use over there. It'll just live there and do him for next few years on visits home.

rrreow Tue 13-Aug-13 14:09:34

Marking spot, am sooo behind!!

We're not introducing any form of routine yet, although I can see a pattern emerging and stretches of 5-7 hours in the night seem to be becoming the norm. Yay!!

Anyone else's baby teething already? (sorry if this has been mentioned up-thread) Z is 10 weeks on Friday and he's been gumming his hands / my fingers like crazy for the past 2 weeks or so. He's had a little bit of a molar (or maybe a canine) showing since birth. It doesn't seem to be moving, but the whole of his gums seem to be bothering him. Teething gel says from 3 months!!

curlyclaz13 Tue 13-Aug-13 14:47:55

Oscar has been chewing his hand a lot and is grizzly (and sicky yesterday) and I had a feeling it might be that but hoped not.

Sunbeam18 Tue 13-Aug-13 15:23:14

Oh God - am in a cafe in my own with babe and just had totally humiliating experience. Just got coffee and cake when he started screaming. Knocked down chairs with my pram wheels when trying to get to a discreet table to feed him. Boobs out with no discretion, whole upper body showing when milk starts spraying out. Am totally mortified. He is now asleep in pram and am eating well-deserved cake!!!

rrreow Tue 13-Aug-13 15:34:54

Aww Sunbeam brew I'm sure no one noticed! I'm not just saying that. I have never noticed anyone breastfeeding (apart from people who use a cover, as it's much more noticeable that that's what they're doing) ever.

curlyclaz13 Tue 13-Aug-13 16:16:27

Sunbeam I am sure nobody noticed your boobs ! hope you enjoyed your cake.

pinkbear82 Tue 13-Aug-13 16:27:18

Have managed to read but been manic few days! Went to dp's motocross race over the weekend, 2 adults, 2 medium children, 1 baby and 1 crazy dog in caravan, and rave going on in field next door.... I'll let you all picture just how relaxing a time that was! shock

Been gp today as have developed a lovely cough that sounds as tho I have been smoking 100 a day my whole life (having never smoked its quite perplexing) I have asthma. Got a course of steroids and a steroid inhaler to use. Hoping they settle the cough quickly, can pretty much guarantee a coughing fit as dd settling for sleep!

Teething has been mentioned here too....watch this space.

Handle on car seat broke yesterday, considering just buying the one that goes with pram/buggy and not a new isofix/getting this one repaired at present, currently the car DP has doesn't have isofix and not sure that will be changing any time soon, and can see some perks to quick trips with car seat attached to buggy...

Hope all routines/almost routines are going well. Now dsd's are home hoping we can get back into s kind of routine!

MrsBri Tue 13-Aug-13 17:14:55

rrreow, yes, Amy is going to teeth any day now and she's just over 7 weeks. It's her lower front where they're on the way through. Watch this space here too!

Sunbeam, I'm sure it's only because you felt conspicuous that you feel like that. Like others said, I'm sure nobody paid attention.

Pink, sounds so relaxing. Not! Bet you're glad to be back!

SunnyL Wed 14-Aug-13 05:15:22

Gaaarg just woke up after a horrible nightmare and had to poke baby to check she is ok. Shes been asleep since 9.30 and my boobs are leaking everywhere they are so full. Serves me right for going to zumba last night and getting DH to do bedtime.

pinkapples Wed 14-Aug-13 05:24:59

Oh no sunny but glad baby is ok

Theiah's been a pickle tonight after last nights 10.25-4.45 tonight she's woke me at 2 and 5.10 not impressed! But she's obviously hungry as she's polished off 2 5oz bottles so fingers crossed shell sleep a bit nowgrin very tired

SunnyL Wed 14-Aug-13 05:57:12

I gave in and woke her up as she'd been asleep for 8.5hrs. Perhaps it was her jags which she had yesterday. Did anyone elses LOs sleep lots after their immunisations?

I can't believe others are noticing teething too I thought I was going bad. Ds is very dribbly and constantly gumming his fingers. Chewing dummy like mad and gone off feeding from me (takes bottle fine).
I thought 8 wks was too young?

Sunny we gave ds first bottle last night before bed. I woke at 2.30 feeling like I had a pair of volcanoes on my chest waiting to erupt! Filled both breast pads!

AmIGoingMad Wed 14-Aug-13 10:05:47

All these long sleep stretches- wow! When did they start? We're 6 wks today and I'm hoping it starts soon as initial signs of 5 hour stretches were fleeting!

Sunbeam that sounds awful! Like others have said I'm sure people didn't notice.

Pinkbear that trip sounds... Interesting! And most definitely not relaxing!

We had to go back to docs yesterday with sticky eyes and now have drops instead of cream thank goodness!

DH away with work overnight today so that'll be interesting!

In positive news- tried my pre pregnancy jeans on today and they fit! Yey! I'm much more comfy in leggings tho so that's what I'm wearing- again! I can also drive again! Woo hoo! Shame its raining- so much for planned trip to the park!

pinkbear82 Wed 14-Aug-13 10:20:13

Ami woohoo for being able to drive again, I don't drive but can imagine once you do suddenly not having that freedom is very frustrating!! I'd be tempted to just go for a drive anyways.

Saw my mum last night and while changing nappy she too asked if there was teething going on as very rosey cheeks - top and bottom and dribble city.
Someone mentioned teething gel, I think dentonox (sp?) can be used from birth, I did have a tube in just in case and mental dog decided to chew it. But might be worth checking out.

Mammoth lazy day here. Blanket on sofa still in pjs. And I plan on staying like it.

Olimoss Wed 14-Aug-13 11:27:09

You've all got me paranoid about teething, poor J has had my finger running round his gums this morning!

He's been a bit weird this morning - woke him for 7am feed but would only take 50ml, and that with some fighting, and then slept till 9am (usually he'd be awake till 830am, then sleep till 1030am for second feed at 11am). Just tried some more bottle at 1045am and he took 80ml and again has fallen straight to sleep. And he seems a bit more sooky than he normally is.

Not sure what it could be. His temperature is fine, he's smiley in between times.

Steffanoid Wed 14-Aug-13 11:38:36

really not doing well at keeping up here but I am very much lurking

we're starting to get a little bit of a routine here. putting ethan down at about 7 with a feed doing a dream feed when we go up to join him in the bedroom at about 10, he stays down till between 2 and 3 then about 6. Apparently daytime naps are for wimps and not something we do.

ethan is super vocal which is really cute and super smiley too no sign of teething here which im secretly glad about he will gum the bottle a bit at times but that's the extent of it

looks like you're all doing well. will try to check in a little more often

Sarah2506 Wed 14-Aug-13 12:23:27

So we braved the tube for the first time today. Remarkably easy! Flat access at our end, lift at London bridge. All good. Feel adventurous!

Olimoss Wed 14-Aug-13 12:36:06

It's good isn't it Sarah?! I did H&C to Ladbroke Grove the other day. People helped getting pram down steps, then we bush-bashed our way through the Portobello crowds.

Back at baby swim today, lesson 6. Bit disappointing J hasn't grown actual fins yet.

rrreow Wed 14-Aug-13 13:23:40

Yay Sarah that's great! Did you manage to get a sling from the library the other week? Public transport is even easier when babywearing. I've just returned a Didymos which I got on with so well that I'm going to buy one for myself. I can easily wear it for hours, go for long walks etc. And I'd usually describe myself as someone with a dodgy back.

Sunny, yes I've heard they sometimes sleep for ages after their jabs. Unfortunately not the case for us, but he seems well otherwise. Glad he's not suffering the way I did when I got the WC jab while pregnant, I was in a lot of pain for nearly a week!

curiousgeorgie Wed 14-Aug-13 15:38:44

For anyone who has teething babies Ashton & Parsons powder is actually amazing (like gold dust though, I had to find it online.)

Olimoss - I took DD1 to Aquatots baby swimming from 8 weeks... She's nearly 3 now and still can't swim!! Brilliant for water confidence though so I'm starting DD2 in a couple of weeks.

Started signing her up for loads of stuff to get a bit of a routine going. Baby massage, Gymboree, the swimming and baby yoga.

Can't remember who it was that said they're in pre pregnancy jeans!! But I'm so so envious, I think I'm going to be in leggings forever!

DD1 is getting really interested in the baby finally, she's cleared her a small edge of shelf in 'her' playroom for her toys... Very generous wink

pinkapples Wed 14-Aug-13 16:29:37

Awww busy busy everybody were doing swimming and baby gym at the moment bit worried ill still be bleeding by the time we start swimming on the 8th also have had to rearrange my tattoo for Friday so I gave enough time to heal

I thought babies didn't teeth till 4 mths Theiah's always got her fist in her mouth

SunnyL Wed 14-Aug-13 20:30:16

I know I shouldnt say this - it will be completely silly of me but......we started following the E.A.S.Y routine from the baby whisperer today and it worked! Perfect baby all day - she even slept in her cot twice! Not sure if it's just a hangover from having her injections yesterday but if it works I'm totally sold on that book!

curlyclaz13 Wed 14-Aug-13 20:43:28

can I ask what toy's etc you have and what is popular with your babies ? we have a play mat, a ball with music and light and a soft rattle but that is all.
I think we need more stuff to entertain him but don't know what.

Steffanoid Wed 14-Aug-13 20:52:20

We've got a play gym a lamaze Freddie firefly which ethan loves cause of the colours I think and rustles and we've got a seahorse with a light up belly and lullabies which I use at night time

pinkapples Wed 14-Aug-13 21:17:34

We have a play mat with things dangling down from it that entertains Theiah most of the time we have a bouncer starlight chair from mamas and papas but she's not keen on that we just keep trying then she has 3 of the Lamaze toys (dragon/lion/Emily doll and the horse) that's it tho for now would be interested to see what everyone else's babies are playing with
We're looking at getting Theiah a mirror as she is fascinated by mine in the bedroom when she catches herself in it

AmIGoingMad Wed 14-Aug-13 22:52:29

Curious yes Ashton and parsons are truly amazing! They are like gold dust though. I was told its because the bloody drug dealers are using it as a way to stretch their supply out. Madness! The evil gits!

Did go for a drive today and it felt good!

We have a taf toys playmat, a woozit, some Lamaze toys, a cute tommee tippee mirror thing etc- all from DS! Dd isn't hugely interested in them at the moment but does seem to be warming to them!

curiousgeorgie Wed 14-Aug-13 22:54:41

Sephy doesn't seem very interested in toys. She has a playmat with toys hanging, mobiles in crib, cot & above swing, and a few Lamaze toys but just ignores all of them.

I did put her car seat in front of jake & the neverland pirates earlier (my older DD was watching) while I got bags from the car and it held her attention for about 15 minutes so I'll definitely be trying that again!

We're having the evening from hell tonight, after getting into something of a routine over the past week or so she's been crying pretty much solidly since 7 and even though she seems starving, is just spitting all the milk out the side of her mouth.

Just read in my confirmation email that its 'absolutely essential' to bring a travel changing mat to baby massage tomorrow... Realised I don't have one. I figured I'd just take a towel / old blanket or muslin.. But then it goes on to say also bring three towels, a blanket and some muslins so I'm ill prepared as always! wink

Georgie sorry your having a bad night. I hope it improved for you.
We had a manic 4-6am, had to get bottle as ds hungry but refusing breast. Seems ok now.
Regarding toys, we have a basic bouncy chair which is great for putting him in if he is calm while I need to do something, such as cook dinner or put shopping away, or getting dressed after shower.
We have a fancy swing/bouncer chair someone bought us that rocks or vibrates with music that he's not bothered with. A play mat/baby gym that we maybe have 5-10 mins on mainly looking at the little mirror. Started showing some interest in a rattle but not for long. Hoping as he gets older his attention span improves

curlyclaz13 Thu 15-Aug-13 08:53:42

we do have a bouncy chair otherwise known as the shit chair as every time he is in it he fills his nappy !
he loves the black and white cat on his playmat, stares at it for ages and yesterday started 'talking' to it.
injections for us today sad hope he is ok after as it is the bf group today and the only thing I do out the house each week.

SunnyL Thu 15-Aug-13 09:09:48

Hmmm fell out with DH overnight about 'empty promises of help'. He keeps saying he wants to do feeds at night but he no longer wakes up when she does. Last night he didnt even bother making a bottle up. So apparently i was meant to wake him up and send him downstairs to get a bottle while the baby screamed beside me. Yeah cos that would be lovely and a great help for me.

He's taken baby and dog out for a walk while i stew.

Hawkmoth Thu 15-Aug-13 09:23:26

Oh dear Sunny. What a knob. And, he should be able to take baby down with him!

SunnyL Thu 15-Aug-13 10:14:24

He's been making it up to me this morning by taking baby off me. I've had a lazy morning lying in bed playing on the Internet. He finished work at midnight tonight and has promised to bring a bottle to bed with him and do his best to wake up when she does. We shall see.

Anyway we've kissed and made up for now.

Curly how did you get on with jabs? We had ours this morning. He did so well bless him just have to see what he's like later today

Sunbeam18 Thu 15-Aug-13 13:55:10

Curly, we also have a bouncy chair that has the same effect! He always poops in it , must be the angle!!!
Hope the babes are ok after their jags (Scottish form of jabs!).
Im having time out for a facial this afternoon - cant bloody wait!

Lucky you sunbeam, very jealous !!

hedgehogy Thu 15-Aug-13 14:32:29

Curly, we cut baby's nails when she's asleep. We've had to do it a couple of times as although she doesn't scratch herself, she hurts me when she's feeding.

I think we have a teething baby here too! She's been chewing her fingers and seems quite agitated at times (she's normally a very happy baby). We can see what looks like a tooth that might be about to come through, but it's hard to get a proper look. She's also refusing to take a bottle (my husband used to give her one at night to give me a break) - I think she wants to feed from me for comfort. I've bought some Nelson's gel as it's supposed to be good, but as you can't use that till 3mths I've also bought Dentiniox gel.

We're getting 5-6 hrs of sleep in one stretch at night which is great (we have done for a few weeks), but I'm going to look into the easy routine as even longer would be amazing!

We've started to take baby swimming. So far we've just gone to the local children's pool ourselves, but we're thinking of signing up for water babies.

DD's favourite toy by far is her crib mobile - one by tiny love with animals on it. It's not a toy as such, but keeps her more entertained than any of her other toys. She watches it for ages, laughing and smiling and 'talking' to the animals, as well as waving her arms and legs around! We don't use it to get her to sleep - she loves Ewan the sheep at night time - but it keeps her entertained if I need to do things during the day (she isn't happy just sitting in her bouncer or chair). She also likes her rainforest gym, a Lamaze dog (she smiles and laughs just looking at this!) and firefly, and the seahorse that plays music. She has lots of toys but is still a bit too young to be interested in some of them.

curlyclaz13 Thu 15-Aug-13 16:42:18

Jabs went ok, cried having them but was smiling after the oral one. he seems ok but a bit more clingy this afternoon.

curlyclaz13 Thu 15-Aug-13 18:54:28

I have a very unhappy baby, screaming every time he comes off the boob, won't keep a dummy in. He isn't hot so I am reluctant to give him calpol. I guess I am in for a night ob the sofa.

curiousgeorgie Thu 15-Aug-13 19:53:27

My DD1 was like this after her jabs and I gave calpol as the nurse told me it can sometimes give them an almighty headache... Are you only supposed to give if they have a temperature?

I highly recommend baby massage to anyone who might be thinking about it... Sephy hates being put down and isn't much of a daytime napper, but after her massage at 2 today she fell asleep in the car and slept solidly (with me moving her into bed with a barking dog in the background) until about 10 minutes ago!! I'm going to do that again tomorrow wink

curlyclaz13 Thu 15-Aug-13 20:11:40

I was only told about a temperature as a side effect and poss diarrhea. I might try calpol if he doesn't calm down, was ok on the changing mat for about half an hour but back on the boob now. poor bubba.

arlandria666 Thu 15-Aug-13 21:03:33

curly my little one was like that didn't have a temp but I gave him calpol because he was crying like I've never heard him sad he wouldn't even settle properly on the boob I gave him the calpol he slept for 5 hours and woke a different baby xx good luck

curlyclaz13 Thu 15-Aug-13 22:16:09

calpol is at the ready but he has been asleep for just over an hour but keeps stirring so will see how we go. thanks for the reassurance.

Steffanoid Thu 15-Aug-13 23:28:23

right I really cant be normal. ethan went down at 7.20 with a dream feed over an hour ago and is as flat out as dp. I'm wide awake. ive even done the filing tonight and feel like I could fold all the washing and tidy but I think the dog and dp would get super pissed off with me...

AmIGoingMad Fri 16-Aug-13 08:21:02

Curly how is little one today? I hope he's feeling a bit better and that you all managed to get some sleep.

Olimoss Fri 16-Aug-13 09:01:02

Joe didn't produce a crap for 24hrs but oh sweet jesus did he produce a crap this morning. CRAP. It deserves capital letters. So wrong to be face with a fountain of shit before breakfast.

Hope those of you post-jabs are doing ok. Is Calpol the same as paracetamol?

I'm working from home today but all legit and stuff so have a mountain of stuff to produce. Naturally J has been a (cute) pain in the butt this morning and my plans to get most of it done before 9am have fallen by the wayside. Boyfriend is, of course, still upstairs in bed asleep although is technically on annual leave so I can work.

* saint face *

Olimoss Fri 16-Aug-13 09:02:51

And he's literally just produced another massive nappy full of crap.


SunnyL Fri 16-Aug-13 10:14:44

Oli my friends and I are collecting poo related phrases to describe the horror. So far we have


Of course when talking of them you need to use either the voice over from the Muppets Pigs in Space or the bloke who does the voice over on the X Factor.

Olimoss Fri 16-Aug-13 10:27:35

Sunny - that's aces! We have used poosplosion when the contents of the nappy actually made a break for freedom.

Must they all start with 'poo'? What about things that describe it positively? Ahem.


Or geographical terms?

River of Shit
Fountain of Shit
Crap Mountain
Valley of the Poos

curlyclaz13 Fri 16-Aug-13 10:31:38

oscar seems to be back to normal now. We have many poonami's here, I think I am having a good day if I don't need to wash to bedding !

pinkapples Fri 16-Aug-13 12:16:39

You two have just made me chuckle walking down the street I must have looked like a right nutter

Just had my tattoo done and it looks lovely a testament to my beautiful little girl pictures on Facebook soon

Sarah2506 Fri 16-Aug-13 12:57:43

Several Poonamis here the last couple days. Three outfit changes by lunchtime. Washing machine on twice. My electricity use has doubled since mat leave!

Feel absolutely dreadful today. Polly sleeps like an angel- 9 till 5 most nights. I just can't get to sleep or stay asleep. Today I have been awake since 2am. It completely sucks. Feel totally out of it. And as she doesn't do daytime sleeping no chance of rest today either.

Sunbeam18 Fri 16-Aug-13 13:13:04

Hilarious - love it (the poo descriptions). We had a constipation dy the other day, Oli, followed by a pooggernaut the following day. It went so far up his back that his hair got dirty!!
Today is feeling relatively under control - we got a semi-decent night and the cleaner is currently cleaning the house. Yay.
We are off on a few days hols to London tomorrow (driving from Edinburgh). Are we insane??

SunnyL Fri 16-Aug-13 13:40:31

Poo-gernaut is flipping brilliant. That's being added to the list.

Sadly Oli my mum says I'm not allowed to use the word crap. I always got a smack on the back of the head for using that word.

Actually DH and I were talking about what to do about our awful potty mouths. Apparentky we swear far too much for a small impressionable child. I'm firmly of the opinion that my child will be cool at school cos she will know far more swear words than any other child. DH thinks that the teachers will hate her.

We're currently working on the theory that any word that Ron Weasley uses in Harry Potter must be acceptable. So far that includes bloody hell and piss off.

Mutley77 Fri 16-Aug-13 14:06:57

Yes calpol is paracetamol - I think is better than what you can get here in Australia Oli as all the seasoned ex-pats get it brought over from England - the taste makes it easier for kids to take, I think that's the only difference.... Luckily I'd heard that before my parents visited so they brought a load and my dad declared it at customs - to be told "oh yeah don't worry about that, everyone brings it!!!"

My DD has poo days and not poo days - luckily we don't have leaks as she is sick every five minutes so I have more than enough washing to do!!! Even my older DC now say "Will she stop being sick soon?!"

Sleeping no better here - had 2 horrendous nights and I am struggling big time. Hope your baby ok now Curly. I did give DD calpol about six hours after the injections as she was crying in a really uncharacteristic way and was impossible to comfort, so I figured it was pain. A dose of calpol and a sleep and she was fine.

curlyclaz13 Fri 16-Aug-13 16:56:41

Sunny we are quite sweary too, we really need to reign it in but I am sure we will fail !
I have a very sleepy baby today, he very rarely sleeps during the day unless out in the pram or sling but he has slept most of the afternoon waking for a couple of feeds. I am sure it is due to his jabs but it would be nice it lasted so I could get some bits done every day ! grin
off to the mothership's for tea tonight as OH is going to his parents as usual ( not a sore point at all !) and my sister is up for the weekend and we have only seen her once since Oscar arrived.

pinkapples Fri 16-Aug-13 17:22:19

We have a long nap in the afternoon she's been asleep since 2pm woohoo long may it continue still not had our jabs yet as they were cancelled they are booked for the 29th

curlyclaz13 Fri 16-Aug-13 17:53:09

major rookie error got half way to mums and realised I had left the changing bag at home and no time to get it. Cross your fingers for me !

Curly ds is sleeping more after jabs too. He is also pretty placid, watching me hang washing out, make dinner, run bath etc quite happily.
Not needed calpol thankfully.
Hope everyone has a good wkend.

MadameJ Sat 17-Aug-13 08:12:46

Good morning all. I am chuffed to announce that we had our longest stretch of sleep - 6.5 hours quick feed and back to sleep. Unfortunately I had to get up with Dd1 otherwise I would still be asleep now ♡

pinkapples Sat 17-Aug-13 08:53:38

Awww well done Madame I bet your feeling lovely and refreshed hehe I'm waiting for Theiah to wake up she fed at 2.30 and is sleeping beautifully

We went for dinner last night tho and there was lots of pass the baby and loud noises as the restaurant just got louder and louder so she's probably enjoying being in a quiet space grin

curlyclaz13 Sat 17-Aug-13 12:10:21

how do you get them to sleep so long ! ? we are still pretty much on two hour feeds overnight.
After the epic snooze yesterday afternoon he was awake until about midnight so made up for it. Thankfully we survived at mum's without needing to be changed. grin

MadameJ Sat 17-Aug-13 14:04:38

Curly, usually dd feeds every 2 hours overnight but yesterday was a really busy day with very few proper naps followed by a mammoth cluster feeding session, unfortunately I don't think it is something she will repeat tonight!!

curlyclaz13 Sat 17-Aug-13 14:29:42

Out of curiosity those who are getting longer sleeps are you on formula ?

MadameJ Sat 17-Aug-13 14:59:44

I'm ebf Curly (although not sure if I actually qualify as having a long sleeper after just 1 night!!)

SunnyL Sat 17-Aug-13 16:04:32

We're BF and getting the longer sleeps.

Has anyone started doing these dream feeds? Can't decide whether we should try it as I'm already pretty happy with the amount of sleep we're getting and worried it might disturb her too much.

Steffanoid Sat 17-Aug-13 16:45:38

we dreamfeed. he literally doesn't wake when we pick him up for it

hedgehogy Sat 17-Aug-13 17:38:17

Curly, we're bf too and getting long stretches of sleep (we had a record 7 1/2 hrs last night without doing anything differently!). It's since we started a routine at 6 weeks of bath, feed and bed every night.

hedgehogy Sat 17-Aug-13 17:41:10

Also, the cluster feeding stopped at around the same time that baby started sleeping for long stretches, so I don't know if that's because she's feeding more efficiently now.

Hawkmoth Sat 17-Aug-13 19:57:02

We're mixed feeding and getting long stretches, but often DH is asleep by the time she needs the last top up so she's not actually having one before the sleep every night. Am still totally paranoid about weight gain though so struggling with how many bottles to give, wanting to stop formula sad

This morning she woke me up with screaming after having pushed herself head first into the bars of the crib. She's got a bruise! Can see now why they sell bumpers despite the risks.

curlyclaz13 Sat 17-Aug-13 20:27:39

We haven't started a routine yet, need to buy a monitor then will try when OH is off in a couple of weeks, I am managing ok with the sleep I am getting for now and Oscar is happy as far as I can tell.
He has started scooting too, last night after his first sleep in the crib I found he had moved all the way up so his head was touching the end of the crib. He can't scoot if hi feet are covered so changed him into an all in one and he didn't scoot off ! he has nearly come off the changing mat a few times as well. Escapee babies already !

DontmindifIdo Sat 17-Aug-13 20:47:23

DD is formula fed, but she's not taking the full amounts she's supposed to be taking - so I think we're going to be going a while before she sleeps through... Saying that, last night she went from 10:30pm to 4:30am - I remember this with DS, he didn't just drop the night feed, it got later and later (DD started at 2, then it was 2:30, then 3:30 and now last night 4:30) - the tricky bit was when it got to about 5:30am, and I couldn't get him back to sleep - at least this time round I'm prepared that in about a month's time I'm going to have very early starts to the day with DD sad

Found last night hard because DS was having nightmares (apparently they were having a bike race and a big scary tiger was trying to steal the bikes) - so he was up for an hour in the night as well - not at the same time as DD so it was 2 lots of them to deal with (DH managed to sleep through all this!)

DD doesn't seem to want to sleep in her cot, has anyone else got this? She'll sleep in the sling, the car seat, her pram (but only if it's moving, no sneaky pushing for 10 minutes then parking her in the hall for a couple of hours), my arms, our bed, but not hers. I've got her to sleep by cuddling her in our bed, have just relocated her to her cot, but not holding out much hope for this lasting...

Oh, and today I had my first trip without her (not counting times I've just nipped to drop DS at nursery on days DH is working from home, tha'ts less than 5 minutes in the car) - took DS to see Planes. Must say, he seems to really have enjoyed having "mummy time" without his baby sister there. How are other mums of more than one managing their older one's needs?

pinkapples Sun 18-Aug-13 08:19:59

Christening today omg so much to do today!

Hawkmoth Sun 18-Aug-13 08:35:18

Eight hours (without a bottle first)... I have wet the bed, DH and the baby when I fed the first side! Love the smell of milk in the morning...

SunnyL Sun 18-Aug-13 08:35:44

Well dream feeds are a waste of time. She still woke twice in the night at her usual time.

Good luck today Pink. We've got our christening next weekend any my mum is stressing at me. She doesnt appreciate my more laid back attitude!

curiousgeorgie Sun 18-Aug-13 09:55:51

We formula feed and are getting long stretches in the night. Usually 11.30 till 5.30 and then back to sleep till 10ish but once or twice 11.30 till 8.30 ish... It's the same sort of pattern that started happening with my DD1 (although she started settling down at 3 weeks whereas Sephy is almost 8 weeks) but we're quite happy with it. I never could manage a dream feed without completely waking her?

Dontmindifido - I'm actually finding it really hard still not being able to spend much alone time with DD1. Sephy is doing well at night but won't sleep anywhere but in a moving pram or my arms in the daytime so we haven't been doing much during the week. Trying to ignore the cleaning etc so I can squeeze in playing with her before Sephy gets up (DD1 gets up about 8.30, so I only get this time if Sephy gets up in the night and goes longer...)
I try to make sure she has really great weekends when DH is around to help more with the baby, Peppa Pig World, Cinema, Birdworld, Minigolf and meals out with all our friends in the evenings last weekend so that should hold her for five boring days with mummy wink

In other news, I went to see Derren Brown last night, has anyone else seen him live??! Amazing! grin

curiousgeorgie Sun 18-Aug-13 09:56:39

Good luck with all the christenings! We've got ours in three weeks and so far I've organised nothing!

MrsBri Sun 18-Aug-13 11:38:12

I'm so jealous of the long sleeps going on. Amy just doesn't seem to want to go without food for that long.

I don't think she eats enough during the day, possibly the same issue Dontmind has, so can't go that long.

If she'd take the 5 x 180 she's meant to be on, rather than 100, 120, 150, depending on her mood it'd be better, I think.

We have a Baptist dedication in November and a christening early next year, I imagine. Not organised that.

We couldn't decide which to have, so will have both!

I wish I could escape my maternity clothes. I'm actually too small for them but too big for pre-pg clothes. It's getting me quite down being fat. :-/ But apart from what I am doing to lose weight I'm not sure there's much more I can do. It's annoying. How's everyone else feeling?

Can't remember what else I should be replying to now either. Never mind!

DontmindifIdo Sun 18-Aug-13 16:22:45

Mrsbri, yep, dd won't take more than 120mls in a sitting, she should be in 160 hmm I think that until that increases, we won't be getting more sleep. Debating trying to fit another bottle in during the day, but can't work out when...

Sarah2506 Sun 18-Aug-13 16:56:56

We aren't in any way religious so no christening. Wonder if anyone else thinking of a naming day? Think would be nice to do something to mark her arrival.
Mrsbri I've lost two of my three stone through mainly walking and breastfeeding. It helps that I have no sweet tooth these days either. Do you walk much by day? We can accumulate eight or so miles just by starting early. Little and often. Nothing too hardcore. I'm back in pre engagement clothes, but no where near pre pregnancy clothes!

MrsBri Sun 18-Aug-13 17:17:40

Sarah, I've just started ramping up the walking and I do 2-3 miles per day at the moment. I try to go relatively fast too, so about 4mph on average. I've also just got back on the cross trainer today, so that'll help with toning and weight loss.

I think I'd get bored walking around Southport for 8 miles a day to be honest!

My plan is to just do 15 mins per day on the cross trainer with at least 30 minutes' walk on top until we go to my parents' next weekend. Walk more while we're there, then up the cross trainer to 30 mins per day with at least 30 minutes' walking on top when I get back.

I've not been able to do too much before this week as my stomach was still pulling quite a lot inside. As long as it's gone before I go back to work, that's my aim!

Dontmind, that sounds about right for feeding. We're demand feeding, so no chance of fitting another feed in. If Amy hasn't asked for it she won't eat it. :-/

She's turned into a clingy baby again today. But according to Wonder Weeks we are just into a 2 week grumpy period. Made worse by the imminent arrival of teeth. And jabs to come on Wednesday. Happy week ahead!

Sarah2506 Sun 18-Aug-13 17:36:54

4mph is going some but probably no bad thing! I dress in workout gear when we go walking so I can go fast and get sweaty! I drive out of town and so I can walk in different places which helps with motivation. I also express and leave a bottle so I can go to the gym a couple of times. My first cross trainer type exercise was exhausting! But it got easier. The main problem I have is that in the absence of stomach muscles I get very bad back ache which is quite limiting.

MrsBri Sun 18-Aug-13 17:54:36

Yeah, I've just started to wear more exercise-friendly clothing as well so I can build up a sweat. 4mph is slow for me, pre-pg / op and without a pram. With all of those factors combined it feels quite fast! And poor Amy doesn't appreciate me going much faster.

I used to do 2 hours on the cross trainer with only a 5 minute break after an hour, so I'm hoping my stamina returns soon!

An email I just received said c section ladies should leave it 12 weeks before exercising. I can't wait that long to start losing weight!

Sarah2506 Sun 18-Aug-13 18:04:30

Any hills your way? I don't think blanket generalisations about exercise and sections are helpful! You know your body and what's right for you. If you were unfit before then now would not be the time to start a new hardcore routine but if you start back on what you used to do slowly then that should be fine I would think. I ran two miles yesterday. Biggest problem now is my knees. Loads of extra weight on them has mashed them completely, running very painful. Do wish I hadn't packed on 20kgs! Need to get right back down before we even think of a second baby!

SunnyL Sun 18-Aug-13 18:26:33

MrsBri I started that C25k last week and I'm quite enjoying it. I'm definately not a runner - I've never enjoyed it. However there arent many forms of exercise I can do with a baby in tow but on a smooth path I can run with the pram. It starts off nice and easy and it's giving me confidence that I'll keep it up.

Other than that it's weight watchers for me. They gave me a gold star this morning <preens>

MrsBri Sun 18-Aug-13 18:32:00

My knees are screwed too. They've always been bad, but they've been better the last couple of years after I lost 2 stone. Now the weight and knee issues are back. :-/

We're going to try for another next June, so it really needs to bog off way before then!

Not many hills here. We're coastal and quite flat.

Sunny, I use My Fitness Pal to count calories. I'm not sure about running as my knees probably won't be too happy, sadly.

It's all very annoying really. And patience isn't a virtue of mine.

DontmindifIdo Sun 18-Aug-13 18:55:17

Ladies, repeat after me: "9 months on, 9 months off!"

Seriously, let's let these war wounds heal before we try to get our pre-baby skinny jeans on! Mrsbri, my advice would be buy a pair of jeans a size bigger than your prebaby ones, just give yourself time. I think walking is the best plan now, no trashing recovering bodies.

Personally I've got 3.5kgs to go. My aim is Christmas. I think that's a realistic timeframe.

DontmindifIdo Sun 18-Aug-13 19:10:35

Oh and mrsbri, hadn't clocked before you're in southport! Is it raining? As a child, my nana would drive us to southport in the school holidays (far classier than Blackpool, which was for <whisper it> common sorts), she didn't believe weather forecasts so normally we'd be sat in the car looking at the beach in the rain eating our sarnies before being driven back again...

curlyclaz13 Sun 18-Aug-13 20:15:13

I was lucky that I didn't put much weight on and now a a bit lighter than pre pregnancy but I needed to loose weight before. My diet is atrocious, I eat far too many cakes and biscuits for ease but I have bought some healthy cereal and will try to not buy or make as much crap. I need to exercise more but am lazy, I need my bum kicking.

MrsBri Sun 18-Aug-13 20:27:37

God, 3.5kg is nothing. I've got way more than that to go, but Christmas is my target too. I lost 12kg in 3.5 months the other year, so I know I can do it.

And I think I'm about 2 sizes bigger what with the weight on my thighs and my weird shape now. I can't face buying jeans that big :-/

I was nice and slender before. It's a real mental blow now, as even at my heaviest I wasn't this heavy and I've never looked like this. I'm struggling with it.

And no, no rain here right now. Yesterday was hideouts though! You'd have come on a day like yesterday, no doubt, Dontmind. :-)

MrsBri Sun 18-Aug-13 20:35:03

Hideous, not hideouts.

AmIGoingMad Sun 18-Aug-13 20:59:32

I think that losing the weight is a little easier second time around for what it's worth. It has been for me. Last time I needed to but the bigger jeans to see me through but this time I tried my old jeans in to see if I'd need to again but was fine to wear them instead! I think its because the only time I manage to sit down at moment is when I'm feeding dd- I seem to be running around like a crazy person the rest of the time!

AmIGoingMad Sun 18-Aug-13 21:02:10

Oh and I'm also finding it really difficult to accept the lack of one on one time with DS.

Speaking of one on one time... I'm such an idiot. Got tipsy last night and we dtd for first

AmIGoingMad Sun 18-Aug-13 21:05:50

Time in months. Then realised I hadn't started taking my pill again yet and we didn't use a condom! Such a fool. Cue shitloads of panicking and a trip to chemist for morning after pill and now stressing and praying that it bloody works. I'm so stupid and have never been so reckless before. My timing is impeccable. To top it all off, I had to be served in pharmacy by a past pupil. What a bloody day!confused

DontmindifIdo Sun 18-Aug-13 21:18:19

oh AmIGoingMad - I'm sure it'll be fine. Scary, but unlikely.

Sarah2506 Sun 18-Aug-13 21:29:36

Oh AmI that's bad but all things considered its unlikely to turn into anything. Is it wrong that the former pupil aspect makes it slightly amusing?!

Wish I only had 3.5kg to lose! Double it and then some! Exactly how many calories does breastfeeding burn a day? Presumably less as she feeds less as time goes on? I'm not eating particularly with weight loss in mind so assume it must be the BFing that helps. I only lose a pound a week so not exactly excessive!

MrsBri Sun 18-Aug-13 21:38:53

Ooh, AmI. Oops! And I'm sure it'll be fine. And I agree with Sarah re the humour aspect!

And it's apparently 500 calories per day, Sarah.

I'm aiming for 2lbs per week, which means I'm allowed 1200 calories per day, net. It can be a bit grim!

Sarah2506 Sun 18-Aug-13 22:20:32

I'd find that pretty impossible! Could you consider the five two thing everyone else seems to

Sarah2506 Sun 18-Aug-13 22:20:53

Should say everyone else seems to be doing!

DontmindifIdo Mon 19-Aug-13 02:21:15

Sarah, it's between 200-600 calories a day. For the first 6 months it gradually increases, then drops off once they are weaned.

All my extra weight is on my tummy - not a good look. hmm

MrsBri Mon 19-Aug-13 04:16:51

I think I'd f

pinkapples Mon 19-Aug-13 04:30:18

Awww mrsbri I am also struggling I wasn't exactly twiggy before but everything seems bigger now and a lot more wobbly... Not cool I'm up 2 dress sizes too but hoping to lose by Christmas so fingers crossed now the christening is done (everything went well and Theiah was a little star) I can start to eat right x

MrsBri Mon 19-Aug-13 04:32:31

Oops...I think I'd find that worse as the fasting days you're only allowed 600-700 calories. I'm not sure how sustainable that is. And any less than 1000 net and your body actually goes into starvation mode. I think the weight loss on that diet may be harder to keep off.

If you do enough exercise in a day you actually get to eat relatively normally (for us); it's just that I have to pay more attention to portion size of pasta / rice / potatoes etc. My snacks are usually fruit too.

After yesterday's half hour walk and 15 mins on the cross trainer I consumed about 1050 net calories and ate a full dinner which is the meal I don't cut too drastically else I wouldn't sleep!

If I had scales I could say if it's working, but I don't. I assume it will be though.

My tummy is round, but it's not fat, it's how my muscles have split and formed. I'm hoping as I exercise that these tone up and go back together else there's no hope!

Tummy fat shouldn't be too hard to lose if you're careful, Dontmind. I really recommend My Fitness Pal for calorie control.

We just tried a food mugging on Amy. Now she can 'talk' she wakes us up by talking to herself about being hungry! We got her up, fed her and changed her in 18 minutes before putting her back in bed. We just had to get her up to wind her, but it's all been much calmer and quicker than normal. We didn't put any lights on in the rooms we were in either.

5.5 hours' sleep, give or take, prior to feed. See how we go now :-)

Back to sleep for me.

Hi everyone
Sorry not been on for few days not had an easy week.
Ds has decided he no longer wants to be breast fed (AmI as you saw on other thread). He is just point blank refusing to even try latching on.
Taking bottle no problem thankfully so now having to try get my head around formula, bottles, sterilising etc way quicker than planned. Formula terrifies me as I have no idea what I'm doing with it. In exchange for all this extra work I also have incredibly painful breasts. I have been trying to express but just don't have enough time in the day to so it enough, and I'm starting to get very little out so not sure how I go about letting them dry up without causing mastitis or blocked duct.
If I'm not breastfeeding I'll now need to start watching what I eat. But at least dh can look after him while I do some exercise! Got a wedding in October so that's some motivation, and on the plus side I don't need to wear a nursing friendly top/dress. I'm absolutely gutted though, as I was really enjoy breastfeeding and hoped to do it longer. I hadn't budgeted for milk either so better start cutting back on treats now.
Sorry for epic post!

Sarah2506 Mon 19-Aug-13 08:12:52

Ah yes I see its about 25 calories per ounce, and they can get through 25 ounces a day. That's a gym session everyday.

I don't think I would hack the five two thing. It's crazy isn't it. Loosing weight is the easiest thing ever in theory , move more, eat less. Hardest thing in reality! My friend was a perfect size ten and only wore tailored fitted stuff beforehand. She's never got back in her wardrobe. My clothes are mainly forgiving jersey dresses so I can get back in those with the stretch.

Magical sleeping baby has just slept seven till eight waking only at five. I however woke at two and didn't really get back to sleep before feeding her, and certainly didn't after just cos she grunts in her sleep. The noise is awful!

SunnyL Mon 19-Aug-13 08:39:09

Arg. My lovely sleeper disappeared last night. She wokea 2, 4, 6 and 8. Not sure why - we were out and about lots yesterday so maybe she didnt get enoigh to eat?

On the weight thing as i say i'm doing weight watchers and it really works for me so long as i'm honest. We had our NCT reunion bbq yesterday so stuffed my face so will need to behave for the next few days. The amount you can eat when breast feeding and still lose weight is astonishing though. I did buy bigger jeans after the birth but i'm now holding them up with a belt.

MadameJ Mon 19-Aug-13 09:11:46

Ah littlemiss thats awful I hope you feel better about it soon!

Well my sleeping baby sleeps wonderfully when we have being out all day and she has poor naps but boy is she grumpy beforehand!!

MrsBri Mon 19-Aug-13 09:39:57

Littlemiss, my milk just eventually dried up without me doing anything special. It took about 4 weeks.

Our child benefit covers the cost of formula, thankfully.

I'm sorry DS has taken against it. I didn't know babies did that (I knew jack shit about babies though!).

Pink, it's difficult changing size and shape, isn't it? And Sarah, I'm not sure I'll be able to do the tailored look again either. Is it easier if you're a younger mum, do we think?

I'm not sure how many of us are over 30, but is it worse for us, even if we try? Or is it all genetics / luck?

We only got a further couple of hours' sleep out of Amy, sadly. Not sure how she can go 6.5 hours between feeds on 100ml but only 3 on 150ml. Contrary child!

Olimoss Mon 19-Aug-13 10:30:47

Oh god the weight thing. Although have been back at pre-pregnancy weight since week 2, pre-pregnancy weight was Still Way Too Much. And as you say, Mrs Bri, the shape is all different. So clothes that fit before now fit differently, or don't fit. I don't think my stomach will ever be quite the same, and it was not that good before. I was 39 in July and although never a skinny minny am used to feeling and being quite fit, with rock hard abs, albeit ones hidden under an insulating layer. My left knee is absolutely cactus, am back at ortho surgeon's tomorrow as need another operation, maybe two. So right now even swimming is off the menu, and if I do a big walk (did about 3 miles this morning, not that much) then the next day I am a bit crippled. Gah.

I'm down to pumping once for about ten mins total every morning, with the aim of stopping completely soon as I can. J is 12 weeks on Wednesday and I figure that's not a bad effort. I just take the pump off before the boob is entirely drained and very day take a bit less from each boob. Now down to 60-70ml so do you reckon once I'm down to 30ml or so, say, total, I can just try and stop completely?

We have J down at 7pm, dream feed about 11pm and he sleeps right through till 3am for that, then another dreamfeed-stylee top up at 3am but we can't get him to sleep beyond 5-530am in the mornings although he's not due to eat till 7am. I am unsure right now how we'll ever manage it! Although we are not, and have not, ever suffered sleepless nights with him so musn't complain.

Can't believe the time is going so fast, eh?

MrsBri Mon 19-Aug-13 13:31:10

Question: if you knew somebody was reading this because you'd mentioned it in passing and you were uneasy about it, would you stop posting? How would you feel? :-/

Hawkmoth Mon 19-Aug-13 13:44:19

Depends who the someone was. I've not put anything on here that is too personal, and I've probably mentioned most of what I've said to other people in passing.

MrsBri Mon 19-Aug-13 13:56:03

I've put it on the Facebook group in case they're still reading it.

SunnyL Mon 19-Aug-13 15:34:44

My baby stinks of sick. It's all over her back, her hair and is dried up in her ear. Despite all this I just want to kiss her all over.

I would never never have believed that was possible 3 months ago. God I love being her mummy.

Ok goey moment over. Go back to your lives.

SunnyL Mon 19-Aug-13 15:35:35

Oh and MrsBri I think my DH used to flick through this when I left my iPad open. Never really bothered me.

HungryHorace Mon 19-Aug-13 15:51:54

Sick is one up from poo!

pinkbear82 Mon 19-Aug-13 15:56:00

I have a little girl that wants to be on mummy 100% today, cue not much else getting done.

Mrsb you know what I think!

How is everyone handling the teething? I'm using a detinnox gel, which seems to help a little, a tether which she's not keen on but I'm fairly sure it the teeth making her clingy today.

HungryHorace Mon 19-Aug-13 15:58:12

We have vague signs of teething but the teeth aren't quite breaking through yet.

Pink, that gel is good, isn't it?

Our LO has been clingy for the last few days too. And grumpy, right on cue according to Wonder Weeks.

curlyclaz13 Mon 19-Aug-13 16:01:29

Went to our first baby group today. wasn't that great and oscar was the youngest by a couple of months. They were doing footprints but Oscar's are a big smeary mess !
put our names down for baby massage which I am looking forward to.

pinkbear82 Mon 19-Aug-13 16:36:35

Ah yes HH the gels a bit of a life saver. She quite likes it too!

She's resting up on my knees looking around and as long as I bounce her she's quite happy at the moment.

I need to step away from the sherbet lemons, they aren't helping anything confused

HungryHorace Mon 19-Aug-13 16:38:38

I'm sure they're helping something. Just not anything practical! :-)

pinkbear82 Mon 19-Aug-13 16:47:31

grin HH - the dogs quite keen to have a try of them as well. P

Dd finally just fallen asleep on me. Now no one make a sound and fingers crossed I don't cough. Desperate for a wee tho blush

Sarah2506 Mon 19-Aug-13 17:12:35

I have made so many references to 'my online ante natal group' that one day someone will track me down. I wouldn't mind so much now but back when we were all constipation, piles, reflux, stretch marks and god knows what other horrors I wouldn't have been keen!

Sarah2506 Mon 19-Aug-13 17:55:15

Oh and Curly I get that a lot too. It's like the mum community generally doesn't make it to baby groups until three months minimum!

Totally agree on the way we now hold weight. I have for sisters in law with kids. They have all lost their weight but report that they can't get in their wedding dresses because these were corseted and their ribs have expanded.

My main focus is to just return to a sensible weight and not be overweight. Beyond that I'm not too bothered. It's not like I'm on the pull!

Hawkmoth Mon 19-Aug-13 21:49:47

How can I lose weight when I'm starving from 5am to midnight? Argh!

AmIGoingMad Mon 19-Aug-13 22:33:06

With baby groups its really frustrating as just when little ones are at an age when they're able to really get the most out of them and enjoy, most of us mums have to go back to work. My son has definitely gotten more out of them now and I'm thinking that he's the one that'll benefit most when I take them during this mat leave. It's a shame for dd that there's not going to be a baby number 3 here so she won't get the same experience iyswim.

And Sarah and mrsbri- the humour of the former pupil serving me was not lost on me despite the sheer panic attached to the situation. And luckily enough it was a really lovely one.

Mrsbri could a name change help you feel a little better?

Olimoss Tue 20-Aug-13 07:16:22

Boyfriend took breast pump to work yesterday to exchange it at John Lewis ( it had lost some if its suction power). He didn't exchange it & hasn't brought it home. So now I can't pump.

What's best? Bit of hand expressing or massage in the shower?

I woke him up to ask where it was and he just mumbled, 'Sorry, babe' and is now fast asleep again.

Boys are dumb.

pinkbear82 Tue 20-Aug-13 09:47:11

No advice l

HungryHorace Tue 20-Aug-13 09:49:44

Typical man!

Hand expressing if you can manage it, I think, Oli.

pinkbear82 Tue 20-Aug-13 09:50:56

I'll start again.....

No advice oli, but I agree boys are dumb.

Glad today is the last day if my steroids, I'm fairly certain they are responsible for me having turned into a sobbing wreck and fire breathing dragon, with a bit of mehness mixed in.
DP got full swings of this last night, but he was an arse to start with and failed to think about anything that came out of his mouth first!

Oli hope you get some relief, I guess what ever brings it is best.

Hope everyone has a good day x

Oli the bath is great for helping with engorged breasts. Just a little squeeze = milky bath water!

hedgehogy Tue 20-Aug-13 11:17:18

MrsBri, I name changed for this reason.

Devilforasideboard Tue 20-Aug-13 11:30:39

Um, would anyone mind if I joined you lovely people? I'm in the July thread/group but DS arrived in the middle of June and seems to be developing according to his birth date rather than due date so you guys seem to be going through the same stuff we are.

Speaking of which we seem to be in 9 week growth spurt hell at the moment - fussy, not settling for naps (will only nap on me at the moment), not sleeping so well at night and feeding a lot. This passes, right? I'd just started getting him to self-settle a bit using shh-pat but clearly picked the wrong time for that hmm

Welcome devil.
Yep ds now 9 wks and constantly hungry today. Not great when you have been told to express every 2 hrs!!

Olimoss Tue 20-Aug-13 13:43:59

Ok thanks all - tried a bit in the shower this morning. Not great fun! I'm supposed to be stopping expressing anyway but pretty sure this isn't the best way ....!

DontmindifIdo Tue 20-Aug-13 14:05:45

Hello Devil!

MrsBri - name change. (also how do I join the FB group?)

Right, development yesterday, I ignored the lying on their backs advice, put DD down on her front and she slept from 8pm to 5am with a dream feed at 10pm (proper dream feed, she didn't wake for it) in her cot - considering we were used to her sleeping only in our bed and in our arms, and only after 10pm, waking 2-3 times a night, this was bliss! So, everything crossed it wasn't a one-off...

HungryHorace Tue 20-Aug-13 19:47:32

I'd be so nervous putting DD down on her tummy. How did you sleep last night?! Sounds amazing though. :-)

We think the reflux seems worse now, so that may work for us too. Just need to be brave!

Our dream feed didn't help last night. She has less sleep than the night before when she didn't have one. Hmmm.

Her eyes are sore and gunky again now, so we will have to see if we can see a GP tomorrow when we go for jabs. The joy!

DontmindifIdo Tue 20-Aug-13 20:08:31

I slept fabulously, right up to the point DS had another nightmare at 2:30am and took over half an hour to settle down. <sigh>

Anyway, put her down on her front again, she's been asleep for 45minutes so far. (keeping everything crossed)

Popped into a new shop that's opened near me today, I tried on a couple of things because DD was having a sleep in her pram (great!) they had those mirrors that can be angled to see the rear view and so while I was getting undressed, I got a good old look at my arse and back of thighs in the mirror, with very bright, unflattering light (not so great). This image has burned into my mind and I now am far too aware of the challenge ahead. This is not helped with the Great British bake off being on the TV, god damn it I want cake and I want to be back in my pre-dd jeans ASAP, these two things are not both possible...

Sarah2506 Tue 20-Aug-13 20:10:38

HH when you say sore and gunky can you describe? P has gunky eyes but the pharmacist said not to worry. I don't know if its sore. It doesn't seem to bother her, but then little does!

On the sleeping on tummy thing didn't we all do that and survive unscathed? Funny how fashions change....

Ds sleeps on his front, only way to get more than 10 mins sleep at any time!!

HungryHorace Tue 20-Aug-13 20:17:41

They're a bit pink, Sarah, so I assume they're sore. They get worse when she's been crying a lot. They've really gunked up this afternoon so need looking at again. I want to make sure she hasn't got another infection.

I'd have to try DD on her tummy during the day first to see how she slept. There's no problem turning her head as she can do that fine.

I'm avoiding mirrors. It's the best way! I'm not in denial. No, not me!

pinkapples Tue 20-Aug-13 20:54:50

Theiah sleeps on her tummy in the day and we get maybe 3/4 hrs at a time grin can't complain tho as she is on her back as night (I'm not brave enough for tummy at night) she she goes 9.30-3 then 3.30-8/9am so were doing ok

In other news...

still bleeding lightly hmm

Tattoo is lovely but now scabby and red so am waiting for the scabs to come off hmm

Baby's skin is still mega dry hmm

Hope baby's eyes get better soon and for all those suffering sleepless nights things are bound to improve as our babies get bigger

Steffanoid Tue 20-Aug-13 21:59:43

hh have you put any breastmilk in the eyes? supposed to be good for them cause of the anti bodies

AmIGoingMad Tue 20-Aug-13 22:00:10

Welcome devil! maybe we should swap threads as dd was due in june but came in july! nope- cantleave these ladies- they know too much about me! but welcome devil- they're a lovely bunch here!

Ha don't mind! I'm the same with wanting to be in shape again whilst also eating copious amounts of nicies! I think the achievement of fitting in pre preg jeans at the moment is lessened somewhat by the fact that they were probably the 'interim' ones I bought after DS!!!

As for gunky eyes- same here! We had ointment first then a few weeks later some drops and things seemed to clear up but now gunky again!!! I would definitely say tho- protest if they try to give you ointment as that's soooo much more difficult to get in correctly than drops!

Has anyone heard anything from aloha? She hasn't been around in a while and must be due to move soon.

Sleep wise DS slept on tummy from second he was able to roll onto it so it'll be interesting to see if dd does the same.i spent night after night attempting to roll him back each time only to give up after the tenth attempt. It's always the position on me that they've been most settled in so I shouldn't be surprised that's his they choose to sleep really. DS still sleeps in tummy at 2.5!

AmIGoingMad Tue 20-Aug-13 22:01:07

X post- no breast milk available here undfortunately!

HungryHorace Tue 20-Aug-13 22:05:17

I was wondering about Aloha too. She must be in the UK thereabouts? They were having a holiday before coming across, iirc, so maybe they're on that now.

I'm sure she will be here soon :-)

MadameJ Tue 20-Aug-13 22:07:39

Another tummy sleeper here but only on the day, thankfully at night she doesn't mind sleeping on her back!

AlohaMama Tue 20-Aug-13 23:29:48

Hi. I'm back! I have tried to keep up but no time to post. We got back to England yesterday afternoon, after a busy week of shippers coming, moving out, staying in Waikiki for three nights (less glamorous than it might sound with all four of us in one tiny room - ds was relegated to the bathroom to sleep while did slept on a towel on the floor!). The flight was actually OK despite airline being a PITA and moving our seats we'd booked months ago. They'd actual,y assigned our 2 yr old ds to sit by himself 12 rows behind us whose genius idea was that? And we lost our bulkhead seating and hence bassinet. Anyway we're here now and are nearly unpacked into my parents house. Ds has copec remarkably well with the transition to living with granny and grandad (who he'd only met 3 times before) and sleeping in a big book bed. Amazingly he's still stayed in bed and had good naps. evie is bit more unsettled last night. I think she was cold, though maybe jet lag too, with the 11 hr difference.

So what are your lo's all wearing in bed? How many layers of clothes and blankets? And what about in the day? I'm trying to figure this all out.

And are using nursing covers acceptable do you think or should I try to master the subtle approach?

And where can I buy new shoes - I only own flip flops grin and so the reverse culture shock begins.

I guess I should name change too.

Sorry for ,long post.

AlohaMama Tue 20-Aug-13 23:32:35

And all the typos. I'm sure you can figure it out. Ds sleeps in a big boy bed. Not a book. That would just be mean.

Aloha you must be exhausted!
Ds is wearing a vest and sleep suit for bed, no sheet yet as temp in our bedroom is 28c/83f according to the thermometer. We have some gro bags for when it gets cooler.
During the day we are either in the same, or just a vest, or a romper suit. Started getting cold feet so sometimes wearing socks too.
My ds is very changeable at the moment, he no longer self soothes to sleep but needs rocked in my arms to sleep. He really fights it too pretending he's hungry but then he over feeds and is sick.
Introduction of powder formula not going down too well, cue multiple nappies and sick = multiple change of outfits. But my milk is nearly zero so not much we can do. Trying to express as much as possible.

pinkapples Wed 21-Aug-13 03:49:02

Nice to see your back in the UK aloha and nearly settled. In and the flights were ok it sounds like you had a time of it

Dd is wearing a sleepsuit and then swaddled in blanket at nighttime were quite cool here at night then in the day we have outfits either trousers or tshirts or dress and cardi

pinkapples Wed 21-Aug-13 03:50:09

Do let us know if you name chAnge but I don't suppose ukmama has the same ring to it grin

DontmindifIdo Wed 21-Aug-13 07:21:51

Aloha, welcome back! Dd is in sleep suit with one blanket at night, her room is very hot so would rather go with a bit cold than too hot.

Second night with dd on her front, and she slept 7-7 with a quick feed at 3:30 - think this is working for us.

AmIGoingMad Wed 21-Aug-13 08:37:44

Hello aloha! I'm glad the big move is complete!

Dd wears Sleepsuit and has one cellular blanket at night. Daytime is a bit more confusing to be honest as the weather here doesn't seem what it's doing so I either overdress or underdress her daily! Generally vest, t shirt, leggings. Sometimes cardi.

I got some bargain flats on asos which also avoided the shopping with two little ones!

Dd only woke once last night! Yey!

AmIGoingMad Wed 21-Aug-13 08:39:42

I'm still mostly in flip flops and denial! And I'm pretty sure feeding covers or subtle are approach are bit fine here too. I'm not bf ing so hopefully someone more knowledgable will help you out with that one.

AmIGoingMad Wed 21-Aug-13 08:40:00

*both not bit

SunnyL Wed 21-Aug-13 08:50:55

My boobs are about to explode! I went to Zumba last night and DH had already put her to bed by the time I came back. I expressed a bottle before going To bed as DH has been away and wanted to do a night feed. She then slept for 7.5hrs so in 12 hours I've fed her once and I've got to pop to the Drs this morning for my implant so still can't feed her. It's going to burst my bra in a minute on the right side!

Impressed you lot can even put your babies on their tummies. Lily screams blue murder if I try to do a bit of tummy time with her.

Anyway the best news ever is I got a stitch at Zumba last night. This is ace as it means I actually have some form of stomach muscle in which to get a stitch! Small things people, small things.

MadameJ Wed 21-Aug-13 08:51:00

Aloha welcome back! Dd sleeps in a sleepsuit and is swaddled in a blanket, I sometimes add a lightweight sheet on cooler nights. I use a nursing cover as I have an extremely strong let down which tends to leave poor dd choking and me leaking everywhere so it's much easier for us. A lot of people say that the covers draw more attention to what your doing but it's personal choice.

My amazing baby slept 10-5:30 again last night so I'm starting to think it wasn't a fluke. It's so strange as dd1 didn't sleep through until she was 16 months and I have done nothing different!!!

pinkapples Wed 21-Aug-13 09:47:42

Sunny I can't do tummy time when she's awake she doesn't like it but when she's sleepy she sleeps longer on her belly x

Hawkmoth Wed 21-Aug-13 10:03:09

Just put DD in sleeping bag in the hope that it would make her less mobile and warmer... She's a wriggler. She is warmer, but was still at the top of the crib with her head against the bars this morning. No more bruises though, thankfully!

massagegirl Wed 21-Aug-13 10:16:36

Hello. Sorry not been on for ages! Well at 13 weeks she is sleeping 7.30pm til 5am with dream feed. Still wont sleep in the day but is happy enough to be out and about. I fact went to baby cinema and she did sleep all the way through a very noisy film so maybe that's the answer. I've started spinning classes once a week and a couple of buggy fit classes to try shift some weight but I am always hungry which isn't helping!

Sarah2506 Wed 21-Aug-13 10:20:08

Hello Aloha and welcome back! What crazy airline was that? Did you have baby on you the whole way? Where you living now?

Flip flops still in use here. It's warm! Nursing covers completely acceptable. I use out and about but not in front of friends and family. Personal choice though!

Sunny, similar here. Fed baby and went to gym. DH fed her then she slept through. So 14 hours between feeds. Pain!!

curlyclaz13 Wed 21-Aug-13 10:27:27

What is this sleep you talk of ? I think Oscar has about 7-8 hours all in. a couple of hours in the day but not in a block then about 6 at night waking every 2 and this week waking about 5-6 and not going back to sleep. It seems he just doesn't need it as he is happy otherwise.

Olimoss Wed 21-Aug-13 11:25:56

Welcome back Aloha!

HungryHorace Wed 21-Aug-13 11:27:40

Welcome back Aloha :-)

We have vest and sleep suit plus sheet and single layer blanket here. Our room is about 19 degrees.

Daytime tends to be top and trousers with either vest or cardi plus socks. Though yesterday was a vest only as it was rather hot on our walk back from the HV.

In other news, I've just started my first period in 11 months! It I assume it is as I'm achey and bleeding and my lochia finished a while ago.

LO had her jabs today. Seems OK, if a bit grumpy. :-)

HungryHorace Wed 21-Aug-13 11:28:26

And I want some of this sleep you mention too!

Olimoss Wed 21-Aug-13 11:31:00

Oh, and J is sleeping in a long-sleeved, short-legged onesie, swaddled in a muslin with a cellusr blanket laid over the crib after about 10pm. I'm def keen on him being too cool rather than too hot...

About to brave the tube again. Pretty sure there are lifts at Russell Square, yes?

HungryHorace Wed 21-Aug-13 11:45:24

The tube map doesn't say it's accessible, Oli.

Olimoss Wed 21-Aug-13 11:48:44

hmmm I am sure it has lifts....weird.

HungryHorace Wed 21-Aug-13 12:15:40

Maybe they've not updated the map?

I'd forgotten how crap periods are. Grumpy post-jab baby and grumpy me too!

rrreow Wed 21-Aug-13 12:29:00

Lifts at Russell Square yes, but steps from platform to lifts (about 10-20 steps). There always seems to be someone happy to help though unless it's very quiet.

Olimoss Wed 21-Aug-13 13:36:50

You're right Rreow - made it to Russell Square ok with help from nice lady up the stairs. No lifts at Hammersmith till December! I dud a comedy step-by-step descent and managed fine....hope I find a helper on the return trip. Up those buggery stairs will suck.

Olimoss Wed 21-Aug-13 13:37:00


joanna0211marie Wed 21-Aug-13 14:16:52

Can I join?? Need baby friends! My lo was 5th June.

Welcome Joanna!
So proud ds is still on his play mat/baby gym after 10 mins, he normally gets bored after 2 or 3 minutes we have progress!! I was beginning to think I'd wasted a small fortune in mamas + papas.

Does anyone use nipple guards?

Mrs81 Wed 21-Aug-13 15:10:39

Hi smile Room for yet another? DS was born June 13th.

We're mostly getting the hang of things but plenty of curve balls keep us guessing!!

joanna0211marie Wed 21-Aug-13 15:14:22

I used too, before I stopped bf, had a horrendous time, really cracked nipples, thrush in my boobs, mastitis and an undiagnosed tongue tie made me think this is not for us!

I'm thinking of trying some. Are they pretty easy to use?

joanna0211marie Wed 21-Aug-13 15:42:57

Yes, the ones from boots are good, think they're about 5 pounds and look like those suction cups that attach to glass and tiles, you just moisten the outer part with milk and they stay put quite well, would only use them one feed on one feed off or 1 day on 1 day off because the midwife says they interfere with supply.

I might pop out tomorrow to get some. Ds has stopped latching on, only wanting bottles for most feeds so its worth a try. Can't be any worse for my supply than not feeding or pumping

joanna0211marie Wed 21-Aug-13 15:55:22

I tried putting dd back on the breast after using bottles and she just wouldn't take it, I was so sad it didn't work for us, and true about the supply, he's maybe gotten used to the bottle teat filling his mouth so the guards should help

SunnyL Wed 21-Aug-13 16:01:27

Im beginning to think that Baby Whisperer book may have something. I started following the EASY routine last week and she started sleeping during the daytime. Today i started following their advice on sleeping without aids and its worked - TWICE! Yes yes i know its only 1 day but it makes a change from me pounding thepavements with the pram to get her to sleep.

Sarah2506 Wed 21-Aug-13 19:06:32

How much are people paying for swimming lessons? I was quite horrified at the suggestion I pay 165 quid for ten lessons! That's in a school pool though. A community pool has lessons at 65 quid for ten but its fair to say the facilities are no where near as good. I'm keen to have lessons so will suck it up but it does seem a lot. I don't want to over commit to endless costly activities before I hit the no pay stage of proceedings!

HungryHorace Wed 21-Aug-13 19:14:20

We're paying £140.00 for 14 lessons at a private pool. It's Puddle Ducks, a national franchise. Who's the provider of yours? I suppose London would be dearer though. I think a friend I met in Conception who lives on the outskirts of London said hers are something similar.

Mrs81 Wed 21-Aug-13 19:17:05

That seems like a lot of ££. We haven't signed up yet but there's classes near us that are c£45 for a block of 8 lessons. Not sure what the best age is to get them started in the pool though. Any ideas?

We're also doing puddleducks after a recommendation. Price varies per pool here so some pools slightly cheaper per lesson. Some are schools and some are hotels.

HungryHorace Wed 21-Aug-13 19:46:18

Anyone who's had a period, was it lighter than your pre-pg periods. This one is already tapering off. Hurts though :-/

joanna0211marie Wed 21-Aug-13 20:14:58

My period started extremely heavy for 2 days, light for another 2 then stopped, im on blood thinners though for a dvt

DontmindifIdo Wed 21-Aug-13 21:03:10

oh god, just had my first baby period, stupidly heavy the first 48 hours - as in, not been that bad since I had a miscarriage last year. Also v crampy and painful. I've not been a nice person to be round.

On better news, DD is on night 3 of sleeping in her cot, before 8pm and staying there! Wooo!!!!

does anyone want depressing? Towie star who gave birth in June photographed out last night (warning - daily fail link) She must be wearing 3 pairs of spanxs, that's not what she looks like, right? right? Where's her mummy tummy gone?

DontmindifIdo Wed 21-Aug-13 21:04:11

sorry, that should read "first post baby period" !

pinkapples Wed 21-Aug-13 21:06:20

Welcome newbies mrs81 my daughter was born 13/06 aswel grin

Sarah were paying for swimming 60 for a 5 week course a bit much but hopefully will be worth it :-)

Don'tmind when I see pics like that I think of all the cuddles I'm getting from ds, seeing him change each day, more smiles, more vocal and more interested in things, and the way he looks at me that makes me think the mummy tummy can wait. I would much rather be at home with him than in the gym with a personal trainer, eating a liquid diet or what ever it is they eat (which must have an effect on breast milk).
Yes I feel really unsexy at present, but my job is to be his mum

DontmindifIdo Wed 21-Aug-13 21:20:39

Littlemiss - see, I think I would like to look like her (well, the flat tum, not the masses of someone else's hair glued on my head), i'm just too lazy... still it'll be autumn soon and a big coat covers all wobbly bits.

Re swimming lessons, I would say it's not really something you need to sign up too if you don't want to spend the money, just go when a toddler or training pool is open to the public and take them for a swim. We've just started DS on swimming lessons at 3.5years old. (would have done it earlier at 2.5 or 3, but the only swimming lessons for under 4yo our pool does are on a Wednesday and Wednesdays was one of my working days) I think with DD we'll do the same thing, take her regularly to splash about and get her water confident, not really having formal lessons until she's old enough to take instructions.

SunnyL Wed 21-Aug-13 21:43:03

We're doing the baby swim sessions at our local council pool. Think it's £3 a session. Twil do her for now.

Dontmind I've no idea who that bird is but I can't say I aspire to be her. Yes she has a nice bum but I have a nice brain. If it was my job to look good I'm sure I'd spend more time in the gym. Thankfully my clients couldn't give a monkey if I brushed my hair that day so I'm fine. In fact in my line of work (environmental consultancy) they probably take you more seriously if you don't brush your hair.

pinkbear82 Wed 21-Aug-13 21:45:03

Not sure she ate anything at the meal they were going for... Still if I had the money to buy a new wardrobe to suit my changed shape and probably someone to prepare food for me it'd be easier too. But little miss is right, I'd far rather spend time with dd and see her grow. Even if I do feel like a heffalump.

Dd been far more content today which was fab. She is currently in her crib making her piggy noises falling to sleep.

AlohaMama Wed 21-Aug-13 21:51:08

Hmm, now I'm worried I'm overdressing her. But she kept waking up the other night then when we put an extra blanket on she slept much better. Maybe she needs time to acclimatize then I can start reducing the layers. I'm looking forward to her getting over the jetlag so we can give up the 3 am parties.

Sarah - it was United. Chosen for their mileage program as my dh did a lot of travel within the US. Not too impressed. I had her on my lap most of the way but it was actually not too bad, she slept a lot and I just slept holding her. We're now in Newbury (Berks) with my parents, looking for somewhere to live (maybe Lymington?) in time for our shipping to arrive mid-Nov.

Good to read the discussion on tummies - must remember to do some tummy time for her. And pelvic floors for me. And exercise. And eat less.

HungryHorace Wed 21-Aug-13 22:20:21

I think she's in shaping undies! But what does it matter?!

I don't have the time or inclination to lose my weight that quickly. I am on a diet, and I am exercising (taking DD for walks in her pram) but it isn't going to be a fast process.

I'm beginning to wonder if this is a period as everyone else had heavy days. My lochia stopped 4 weeks ago though, and I didn't cramp like this with that either, so it must be a period? Confused.

Sarah2506 Wed 21-Aug-13 22:31:34

That chick gave birth half an hour after me. I don't look like that. Note that Coleen Rooney wore a loose dress, code for she's still a bit fat. I don't care beyond not wanting to be overweight and want to avoid buying new clothes. I do go to the gym but those two hours a week are literally the only time I'm away from Polly. I don't feel bad about that. She is in her evening sleep at the time and an hour out makes me a better mummy:-)

pinkbear82 Wed 21-Aug-13 23:56:02

Agree Sarah, and I think it depends what you were doing pre baby too. Having an exercise routine in place and enjoying it must help you get back into it after.

I've never been good with exercise, which makes it all the more daunting. It's the same as this whole baby game, different things work for different people, and that's ok!

We should all be proud of ourselves, we have wonderful little ones, our bodies went through a lot to have them. In an ideal world we'd all be just as we wanted without hard work. But then again I think, as frustrated as I feel, I would hate to be totally perfect and not have a worry. It just takes a bit of adjusting and finding a new routine.

Olimoss Thu 22-Aug-13 09:08:20

Sarah - we pay £115 for a series of 9 lessons in a really nice purpose-built pool, class size around 6-8 maximum. Really good instructors, definitely see progress, so worth it.

rrreow Thu 22-Aug-13 14:06:14

Aloha you're probably not overdressing her, as she'll still be used to warm temperatures and so will experience the temperature here as colder than someone who is acclimatised. If that makes sense.

Mutley77 Thu 22-Aug-13 14:08:23

Welcome back aloha - hope you are coping ok with the adjustment. I kind of know where you are coming from with temperature. Here in Australia we are into the 20s during the day here everyone is in winter clothes and I am dressing DD in more wintery outfits, whereas I imagine these temps in England I would have her in summery outfits. I think babies acclimatise ... Also, the beginning and end of day here can be really cold so it's all about layers.

Wish I could be skinny. The recovery shorts are fab though.

I am lazy with DC3 and won't be starting swimming lessons until she is 8 months and I have got DS off to full-time school so more time to focus during the day! Tbh I probably won't even put her in a pool until then unless I feel it will help her with temp control in the v hot weather.. Can't be bothered with the faffing about dressing, undressing.

Hawkmoth Thu 22-Aug-13 15:26:19

I've lost a bit of weight. My current jeans are dropping off so I have to walk round with my hands in my pockets all the time. Feeling optimistic, I bought a pair a size smaller yesterday and I can't get in them. Think it's because they are black and stiffer, but I'm seriously knacked off as I'm starting to look a bit odd!

I'm not in a massive rush, it's a slow job, but I don't want to have to buy loads of interim clothes as we just can't afford it.

curlyclaz13 Thu 22-Aug-13 16:56:33

Been to have Oscar weighed today he is now 10lb 10 at 10 weeks and still following the 9th centile. He hasn't been measured so no idea how long he is.
HV told me to make him sleep during the day as he currently doesn't unless he is in the sling or out in the pram.

DontmindifIdo Thu 22-Aug-13 19:27:06

Hawkmoth, buy a belt...

Hawkmoth Fri 23-Aug-13 06:08:58

They're not the right shape for a belt. Too high in the waist so I'd be very uncomfortable.

Bloody baby wakes for a feed and goes straight back to sleep. I'm wide awake watching a fly crawl over DH and worrying about the other two going to the doctor at half past eight.

Took the pram on some cobbles yesterday, baby loved it! Used to take DD1 on them often and I'd forgotten how funny it was watching a baby bumping and jiggling along. Would recommend.

pinkbear82 Fri 23-Aug-13 07:39:33

Hawk dd loves bumps! The bumpier the better for her. I'm sure ppl think I'm cruel. And totally sympathise on the being awake when bubs isn't.... 4am I'm wide awake, power cut (took me a while to work out why no lights I tried worked!) house down the road alarm going off, neighbour out with ladder trying to sort it. All rather entertaining.
Hope ur dh didn't eat the fly wink and that all goes well at docs.

Dd went 6 hours last night, 8.30 - 2.30 without a feed, longest ever. I didn't know what to do, I felt rejected!!! grin

Off to the aquarium today, which I am quite excited about.... Think the dsds are too, but clearly they just don't appreciate the build up.

curlyclaz13 Fri 23-Aug-13 08:04:29

Power cut here too (or fuse blown but haven't checked yet)
oscar went down at 11.30 and woke every hour until 7 and is wide awake now. How does he do it ? I cannot wait until tomorrow when OH can have him between feeds so I can sleep.

Sunbeam18 Fri 23-Aug-13 11:18:13

Hi, and welcome back Aloha. Hope you are adapting ok to the uk.
We are still in London on our small holiday - reason for this being that the car broke down on the m1 on our drive down last Sunday. We were stranded on the hard shoulder for over an hour with baby in the car. Not a pleasant experience. We then got towed 100 miles to London, so need to get the car fixed before we can drive back to Edinburgh.
Keir is not sleeping well away from home so lots of coffee is being drunk in Islington cafes!

SunnyL Fri 23-Aug-13 11:28:58

Aww sunbeam that's tough. Escaping the Edinburgh crowds only to get stuck in London. Bummer.

I've just finishing decorating Lily's christening cake and even if I do say so myself it looks flipping awesome. It's not exactly subtle but if big and tropical to reflect the fact that DH and I met in Fiji so is covered in frangipani flowers. Hopefully it will taste good too.

Folks are arriving tomorrow for the christening weekend so it's a big BBQ at our house tomorrow night then a big garden party at my parents on Sunday after church. Going to be exhausted come Monday!

pinkapples Fri 23-Aug-13 22:09:12

Oh no sunbeam do they know how long it will be? I bet you can't wait to be back home now after such an eventful break

Awww I'm sure it's lovely sunny and I'm sure it tastes great have a lovely weekend it sounds like you'll be busy

Am I the only one with mood swings feel so cross most of the time and its mainly hubby getting the brunt of it kicked off tonight when he accused me of not caring for Theiah all because I can't remember when I took her to the doctors for her eczema and therefore don't know when I should take her and tell them the cream isn't working grrrrangry how rude! I checked the prescription date on the side of the cream so I do in fact know and it was 2 weeks ago should I have remembered or was he being a tw*t?

Also do you think 2 weeks is long enough to give a cream to work ie can I go back now and tell them its doing nothing but making it worse?

curlyclaz13 Fri 23-Aug-13 22:23:04

pinkapples you are not being unreasonable not remembering the date ! I would go back if the cream is making her worse.
I don't think men get motherhood, my OH is lovely but sometimes I. wany to punch him, he has gone out tonight, when he left oscar was crying his eyes out as he is overtired as am i his argument is he can't do anymore than I can angry thankfully Oscar has finally fallen asleep and I am in bed too.

rrreow Sat 24-Aug-13 01:31:06

My toddler has been asleep since 8.30pm, my baby has been asleep since 11.30pm. SO WHY AM I STILL AWAKE AT 1.30AM?!!! sad

Mrs81 Sat 24-Aug-13 03:34:21

Pinkapples, 2 wks seems long enough to give the cream a decent shot so def worth going back to docs. (and I'd have prob forgotten the date of last appt too)

Curly, I hope you are getting a better night tonight smile

Does anyone have any tips for re-introducing bottle feeds of EBM? DS used to take a bottle fine, but now rarely does - as though he's forgotton how to suck : / More often than not, when DH tries to give him a bottle there's just a lot of fussing and crying until I cave in and BF instead...

SunnyL Sat 24-Aug-13 04:34:29

Mrs81 we had a period around 6 weeks when she started refusing the bottle which apparently is quite normal in the growth spurt. We gave up completely for a week before retrying. When we did we did it during the middle of the day when she was quite awake and not cranky. Shes now perfectly happy with a bottle again. Hope it works for you.

Mrs81 Sat 24-Aug-13 06:17:51

Thanks Sunny. DH is off work on Monday so will make a point of trying during the day this weekend and three days on the trot.

Now you mention it, the bottle fall-out here was prob around 6wks too.

Hope your christening and accompanying celebrations go well this weekend by the way. Your cake sounds amazing grin

DontmindifIdo Sat 24-Aug-13 12:35:57

Oh. My. God. The girl slept from 7pm - 8:15am with one feed at 10:30pm. Truely fabulous. I should feel great, except well, my old friend was visiting, had a bit of vino after nearly a year of not drinking and I was throwing up in the night and now feeling like death. A hangover with a grumpy baby and a bouncy toddler is not to be recommended. My diet plans have been shelved in exchange for eating left over chocolate cake from last night and drinking lots of black coffee.

Ladies, learn from my mistake, re-introduce alcohol slowly - we have lost our tolerance to it.

I really hope last night wasn't a one off with the sleeping, I could do with this being the new arrangment.

HungryHorace Sat 24-Aug-13 13:24:04

I'd gladly take a hangover if DD slept like that!

curlyclaz13 Sat 24-Aug-13 15:25:05

A better night here, I had a 3 hour block of sleep followed by a 2 hour then every hour until 8 am. I have just ordered a monitor and a Ewan the dream sheep ready for trying to sort a routine next week.
What has worked for you, I am thinking bath, story, feed, down in crib with dream sheep ? I have put my name down for baby massage but that is not for a few weeks yet.

curlyclaz13 Sat 24-Aug-13 15:46:14

I forgot to tell you all about our fun adventure yesterday, We went to meet OH from work with the intention of going to his parents for tea, this involves a train journey and I had him in the sling half way there somebody decided he wanted feeding but no time on the train so shove my finger in his mouth to calm him. Start walking up cue screaming fit so i had to stop take him out the sling and stop to feed him in a bus stop, didn't notice the cctv camera until after !

arlandria666 Sat 24-Aug-13 21:29:19

curly I bath Elliott have a cuddle and feed and he goes down between 7 and half past with Ewan on he has been sleeping til about 11 to midnight feeding then 3 ish and then 7 ish on a good night...sometimes he falls asleep on the boob but other times I just put Ewan back on and by the time I have been to the toilet he is back asleep.
he is 3 months now tho and up until 2 weeks ago he wasn't going down until about 9 ish just being fussy from 7 til then!! I am hoping this will last but I won't hold my breath lol we haven't tried to get him into a routine it's just happened thankfully

Curly we do bath around 6, then bottle and bed. I'm going to introduce a book before bottle soon (when he stops crying when he gets out of bath!)
Then it's sleep around 7-1am.
Feed then another feed around 5.
This works for now so I can get on with jobs while he is in bed (cook tea, sort washing, iron, watch tv if I've done jobs during day).
Dh suggested putting him to bed later so we have a later night feed but this is when ds is tired, and its easier to cook (and eat a hot meal) when he's in bed!

We are also starting baby massage and baby yoga in sept. can't wait!

Mrs81 Sun 25-Aug-13 05:12:34

Curly, we usually bath between 7 and half past, followed by a feed (too much crying to do a story atm). Feed can take anything up to an hour then DS falls aslseep. Left to his own devices, he'd then sleep until anytime between 1am & 3am, and then wake again later in the night but I started doing a dreamfeed around 10.30pm and he usually sleeps until 4-5am and needs a feed then.

We still get some duff evenings and nights but for now he's pretty good at night. (No idea how long that will last!!!)

Oh, and we also found better nights started when we stopped using Moses basket & moved onto cot plus he seems to really like his baby sleeping bag too smile

Good luck!

HungryHorace Sun 25-Aug-13 09:39:15
MadameJ Sun 25-Aug-13 11:06:26

Thats hilarious HH!!!

I'm getting slightly concerned that my dd is the only one without a good bedtime routine. She seems to still want to cluster feed in the evenings but when she does finally pass out she does a 6/7 hour stretch so selfishly I haven't tried to change it
She isn't grumpy in the evening just hungry so hopefully I am doing the right thing following her lead??

HungryHorace Sun 25-Aug-13 11:19:12

We have neither routine nor long sleeps, Madame, so you're doing better than us!

MadameJ Sun 25-Aug-13 12:36:32

Ahhh they have changed it now hungry!!

HungryHorace Mon 26-Aug-13 00:46:30

I know. Disappointing.

I did put a photo on my profile but even though I made it public it wasn't showing up earlier. Silly MN. :-/

SunnyL Mon 26-Aug-13 07:48:26

We've had a tremendous weekend here. It was Lil's christening weekend and a lot of people had travelled up to help us celebrate so its been a flurry of partys with DH also running tough mudder in amongst it all (a mental 12 mile run over obstacles including barbed wire and electric shocks). We all survived despite routines being chucked out the window and baby being passed around so many people.

Was bed early for us last night though.

Today is quiet except our first swimming session. We've got a swim nappy - mio bambino - but my SIL reckons i might need to double bag her. Anyone any knowledge of that?

Hawkmoth Mon 26-Aug-13 08:08:42

Great start to the week. I've been up since five. Everyone else was asleep but baby won't go back in the crib without screaming and DH is very noisy and sleeping diagonally. DS has just got up and is playing with his action figures.

Supposed to be going to the pub this afternoon with my sister. I think not. Very scary reflection in the bathroom mirror an hour or so ago... Any chance it wasn't me?

Sunny we are doing puddleducks and they request double nappies so a happy nappy on top.

pinkbear82 Mon 26-Aug-13 09:21:18

Hawk it wasn't you wink hope you get to go and enjoy it!

Had a fancy dress party on Saturday, made dd a baby dragon outfit using some of her first baby grows, if there had been a prize for best I think she would have won grin (would of had to have been best home made and cutest/youngest wearer small print attached)

Am trying not to scowl at DP - I'd just gotten back to sleep after not being able to get back after 4.30 feed, about 6, he stretches and announces he's ready to start the day... Cue dd stirring does DP get up and get her, nope, nudges me and says she needs sorting angry then dd falls back to sleep about 8.30 I drift off to be woken for a cup of bloody coffee. Wahhhh.

SunnyL Mon 26-Aug-13 15:25:01

Phew. Didnt need to double bag but did need to discretely wipe away a bit of puke. The things i never thought about when swimming before!

AlohaMama Mon 26-Aug-13 19:52:24

Vaguely trying to keep up, but on holiday in Lyme Regis with the family right now and internet reception is patchy at best. Had a horrendous night last night with dd, who did not go to sleep till 2am. She had been awake since about 6.30pm. How is that even possible??! Napped fine in the day so I can't work out what was going wrong, just hoping not to have a repeat performance tonight. Part of me wonders if she just needed to cry it out but as we're staying in a big house with parents, 2 sisters + families I felt I needed to keep her quiet. Urgh.

On another topic, anyone got any tips on how to stop baby poop staining clothes? I can't seem to get them clean, not sure what to do.

Glad you had a good christening Sunny.

Aloha I use vanish either the pre wash spray or the tub of powder that you add to washing machine.
Then hang on the washing line as the sun bleaches them out.

Sarah2506 Mon 26-Aug-13 21:10:44

Napisan working well for us Aloha!

pinkapples Tue 27-Aug-13 02:56:27

Aloha we have the poo problem to so will be anticipating answers grin

We were getting into a routine but now so for some reason Theiah decides tonight's the night for singing in the Moses basket hmmm not cool! Although she sounds like she's having a great time

May have actually stopped bleeding now so that's good woohoo

Hope you enjoyed swimming what did you do exactly? We're starting in sept not sure what to expect

Devilforasideboard Tue 27-Aug-13 09:11:12

Hello again! I posted and then disappeared as DH found out he's being sent away with work for six months tomorrow. I have no idea how I'm going to cope although have now got a childminder sorted 2 days a week to give me a break plus a cleaner.

Is anyone else struggling a bit with the feed/sleep thing? I had it sorted then he started doing one longer stretch at night (woo) so I moved on to getting him settled earlier. We do bath/bottle/bed from about 6.30 and asleep by 7.45 but he now wakes crying at about 10.30, 11.30 and then needs fed at about 12.30. I'm thinking of trying feeding when he wakes at 10.30 to see if he'll then go longer. Does that make sense?

SunnyL Tue 27-Aug-13 09:27:12

Pink the swimming involved a lot of singing and dunking babies in time with the music. Involves getting over my fear of singing anywhere other than the car but the LO's definately enjoy it.

Devil - 6 months? Jeez that's rotten. A lot of sympathy for you. I hope you've got family near by.

Devilforasideboard Tue 27-Aug-13 09:59:17

Sadly not but we're moving in 6 weeks and will have much more support then. Just these 6 weeks to push through really and my mum is coming down for at least a few days which will be a massive help.

Ps I'm with you on the singing thing, I'm even embarrassed to sing for the baby!

pinkapples Tue 27-Aug-13 18:46:23

Anyone else having serious issues with finger/hand sucking? I knew they discover there digits at this age but she's at them constantly

DontmindifIdo Tue 27-Aug-13 19:07:16

Devil, I'd feed at 10:30, obviously your lo needs more food through the night and that sounds a far more civilised time to do it than 12!

Dd has been really sicky the last couple of days, poor wee thing. Trying to just keep up her liquids. hmm

Also she's started getting a little cradle cap, ds had it really badly and I had hoped she'd miss it. Time to crack open the olive oil and invest in some jaunty hats for her...

curlyclaz13 Tue 27-Aug-13 19:09:31

pinkapples, Oscar is the same, I thought it might be teething but I'm not sure, he has taken to sucking his lips today as well. I have got him a sophie giraffe to chew but he hasn't got the hang of it yet !

DontmindifIdo Tue 27-Aug-13 19:12:05

Oh and noticed today Boots have 3 for 2 on baby clothes, and they appear to have lots of things that are neither pink nor blue! (am already sick of pink, plus I don't think it suits dd, pink is a hard colour to pull off, there's a reason very few adult woman wear it)

Mrs81 Tue 27-Aug-13 19:49:23

Yes, there's a lot of finger/hand sucking here too. I think its a comfort thing for DS as he's been doing it for as long as he was able to find his mouth. He'll also suck on muslin cloths/soft toy given half the chance.
I've assumed not teeth yet because there's no accompanying flushed cheeks etc (but this is DC1 so I might be being naive about teething!)

A bit of a fail on the bottle feeding this weekend (it worked for one day, not the other two). Hey ho.

curiousgeorgie Tue 27-Aug-13 21:15:42

Hi everyone smile

Need to catch up on the thread but just had a quick question...

Has anyone had a period yet? I only had very light bleeding for a couple of days after my c section and then it went away, I'm not breastfeeding and have formula fed from the start and yet it's been 9 weeks now and still nothing...

With DD1 I had the same post birth bleeding and a period 4 weeks later so didn't know if I should start to worry! blush

HungryHorace Tue 27-Aug-13 21:26:43

We have hand sucking here. And she will suck my finger too, actually pushing my finger in her mouth to gnaw on! Yuck!

We can see her teeth, but they haven't popped through yet.

Georgie, I had a light period after almost 9 weeks. It was light but crampy. Or I assume it was a period and not the return of lochia as it's stopped now.

Sunbeam18 Tue 27-Aug-13 22:35:53

Georgie, I had a period at about 7 weeks that lasted about 3-4 days. I'm EBF so was surprised. I believe it's quite normal not to get one for many months after the birth?

pinkapples Tue 27-Aug-13 22:44:13

Were formula feeding after 4 weeks of breast feeding and I think I had one about week 7 Theiah's now 11 weeks on Thursday and it just stopped about 5 days ago

We're now on formula after 9 weeks of ebf so not sure when my period will return. Got the mini pill from gp but not started taking it yet.
I'm still trying to express though.
Think my milk has nearly gone though got nothing from one of my breasts last night. Not sure if that's it gone or if it was worth trying some fenugreek. I wake up in morning in pain feeling engorged and struggle to hold ds against them but when I express been getting very little. Not sure when its time to grudgingly call it a day as ds still won't take nipple

For those on bottles, how many oz does your lo have? MW said very different to what's on box of formula.box says 6oz 5/6 times a day for 10 weeks but mw said 3-4oz every 3-4 hrs. I'm struggling to work out when he's actually still hungry or just guzzling if its there, I don't want to make him sick and aware bottle feeding can stretch his tummy.
Currently has around 5oz every 3 hours not sure if I tried increasing it to 6oz if it would keep him going longer?

HungryHorace Wed 28-Aug-13 09:38:36

Littlemiss, the most we have is 5oz at a time. It tends to be between 3-5oz, depending on how LO feels. She won't finish a bottle if she doesn't want it. We don't want to stretch her tummy so aren't upping it yet, especially as she mostly doesn't finish a bottle anyway.

As long as they're eating enough and putting on weight, my HV doesn't mind how they eat.

I wish DD would go longer, but she won't, sadly. She went 5.5 hours between feeds last night. Sadly the feeds were 6.30 and midnight. Not when we wanted sleep.

DontmindifIdo Wed 28-Aug-13 11:31:26

Littlemiss - DD normally has about 4-5oz, we normally make up the full feed she should be having (180mls, just over 6) but she's rarely finishing it. For timings, we're feeding at roughly; 7am (or when she wakes up), 10:30am, 2/2:30pm, 4:30/5pm (but this is only a 'top up' of 90ml/3oz), 6:30pm, 10:30pm (we dream feed that one), then she normally wakes between 3:30 - 4:30am for another feed.

It's worth keeping an eye on how much your DS is having, add it up and you'll have an idea if he's got enough/needs more. Some DCs need more than others, my DD doesn't seem to want that much.

I can highly recommend the dream feed at 10:30pm, it really does get you a longer stretch of sleep when you want it.

HungryHorace Wed 28-Aug-13 12:23:30

The dream feeds don't work for everyone, Dontmind, as DD still wakes 3-3.5 hours after one :-(

We don't have regular times, but DD feeds every 2-3 hours during the day, she will go a touch longer after her 6/7 pm feed, then every 3-3.5 hours at night.

We keep a diary of feeds and she always has at least the 900ml the 5 x 180 mls would total if she was to conform to this! Some days we have 1.1 litres in total.

An example now is she screamed for food and only wanted a 40ml top up before going to sleep.

I'm wondering if the hungry baby milk would help at night.

Mutley77 Wed 28-Aug-13 14:48:27

Hungryhorace we have the same night issue as you. Ddhas done the odd 5 to 5.5 hour stretch but aalways from 630 or 7. Dream feed doesn't help as she will only take a small feed at 12 (or whenever she wakes for it or we wake her!) and wakes religiously 3 hours after. I therefore think to let her sleep the long stretch is better as it is teaching her the habit of sleeping longer without food even if that stretch of sleep is not well timed!

Daytime feeds are 3hourly like clockwork too. but then she was ill after being born and we had to feed her 3 hourly at a minimum so I can't really blame the poor child for getting accustomed to that!

Sorry about bad typing, am on. Phone.

Mutley77 Wed 28-Aug-13 14:50:33

Sorry also I am making up feeds of 180ml but often Dd only drinks 120 or a little more. Other than 1pm, for some reason she is hungry at lunchtime and drinks that one straight down!

pinkapples Wed 28-Aug-13 18:29:06

Theiah does what it says on the tin for the most part... She has 5x 6oz bottles (she's 11 weeks tomorrow) in a 24hr period so between 8-9am then between 1-2pm (sometimes longer) then a dinner time one about 6-7pm and another about 10.30pm sometimes dream feed sometimes not then she wakes between 3-4am. She drinks all 6oz in about a half hour 45 min session

The exception to this is some nights she gets up at 1am and 5am not the 3-4am which is a nightmare but that's normally once every week or so

HungryHorace Wed 28-Aug-13 20:45:01

Why isn't my baby playing by the rules?! :-(

HungryHorace Wed 28-Aug-13 20:45:48

Oh, and we've bought some hungry baby milk for the night feed to see if that gives us longer.

Mutley77 Wed 28-Aug-13 21:15:53

Hungryhorace I know it is draining when they don't sleep but honestly each baby is different. None of my kids have played by the rules; dd1 slept from 7 to 7 pretty much every night from age 9 weeks. Ds was more typical and dd2 has only just stopped waking 3 hourly at 11 weeks.
Your dc is doing a long stretch which is great and over time the stretch will move or become 2 stretches with just one night feed at 12 or 1.
Fingers crossed the hungry baby milk will help it along, keep us posted.

pinkapples Wed 28-Aug-13 21:44:28

Mutley is right every baby is different but hopefully the hungry baby formula will do the trick and yes, if your getting one stretch that's great there still only little at the end of the day (although they grow so quick, put Theiah's hospital tag round her leg to measure today and she's got so big)

curlyclaz13 Wed 28-Aug-13 21:47:58

HH, you are not the only one with a baby with a faulty sleep function, Oscar wakes every two hours, I occasionally get three hours but that is from nine when I am still awake !
I have only just started to get him to sleep in the day and since Saturday we have tried to get a routine at night and he has gone down for nine, I am going to try to bring that forward if I can. Any tips for bringing bed time earlier ?
He has started poking his arms through the bars of the crib and due to not having a sleeping bag on last night he got his leg stuck at 7 am and was screaming bless him, sleeping bags all clean for tonight so hopefully no repeat but if he gets stuck again I think he will have to go in to his cot bed sad

pinkapples Thu 29-Aug-13 05:06:23

No tips for bringing forward we just did the same routine earlier but I think we are suffering a bit since she started going from 8pm she's woke at 1 and 5 for the last 3 nights - not happy

May move her into her cot where she will have more space - opinions please? (In our room still)

pinkbear82 Thu 29-Aug-13 05:38:43

Dd is still feeding every 2 hours during the day.... I am trying to get it longer to 3 at least but that last hour she will grumble constantly unless she is asleep. Nights every 3 hours. Very occasionally she'll go longer at night, but certainly that isn't the norm!

She's 12 weeks today and bf. she has only ever spent maximum of 15 mins feeding and is still suffering with reflux, this can also play a part of how long she manages in between.

She is sound asleep atm and has been for a while, I how ever am wide awake :/

HungryHorace Thu 29-Aug-13 07:09:43

Babies aren't very reliable / consistent are they?!

Pink, is she really squashed and contained at the moment? She may like more space and be calmer. Or make noise taking advantage of it!

Minor miracle last night. DD ate at 9, then slept for about 5 hours until 2.45. She would only settle on me afterwards, but still then had another 3 hours' sleep and almost 4 hours between feeds. Getting there.

She only ate 110ml at 9 too. Imagine how long we would get after a full feed. It wasn't even the hungry milk!

Mrs81 Thu 29-Aug-13 07:22:44

We transferred to the cot at c8 wks, mostly because there was so much wriggling going on, he'd end up with bum at bottom of basket and legs in air hmm

He still wriggles in the cot but (thankfully) is such a short arse that he can rotate 90+ degrees. He'll start clobbering his head soon on the bars though!

Hawkmoth Thu 29-Aug-13 07:46:06

Not going to post about Bobbie's sleeping, because it's not normal and not helpful. But she does wake up if there's the slightest draught. She absolutely hates having cold hands, and screams big time. Also screams when she pushes her head against the bars, although yesterday she had bar marks impressed on her forehead and I had to wake her because I was leaking everywhere.

She hardly looked at me yesterday, but had smiles for everyone else. Felt a bit taken for granted really.

Today should be poo day. There really should be some middle ground between eight a day and one every 48 hours. The last one was clearly the work of an evil genius.

SunnyL Thu 29-Aug-13 07:57:51

Hawk we had the result of 4 days on constipation yesterday. My dad who has 5 grandkids and 3 kids of his own had to leave the room. Giggle monster thought it was hilarious!

No advice on the sleeping thing. Some weeks we have magic baby who sleeps for 6-8hrs in one stretch. Other weeks we have naughty baby who wakes up every 2 hrs. Of course naughty baby tends to emerge when DH is on nightshift and im on my own.

Pink we are moving into the cot next week as she is getting too big for the moses. There is about 1 inch clearance at her head now.

curlyclaz13 Thu 29-Aug-13 08:03:26

every hour again last night sad

pinkbear82 Thu 29-Aug-13 09:25:10

I think lack of sleep is clearly having an affect on clear thinking.... We have a 10 wk old puppy.... She's very cute and to give her credit she slept very well last night and didn't hear a peep out of her.
The thinking of I'm at home so training time can be given, love going out for walks with dd so now we'll take dog along too (and it'll stop the popping into shops and spending) clearly wasn't as logical as I thought. hmm Can I nappy the pup up too?!

After two bad nights of sleep for me, I have just put the pil off coming round, pup sleeping, dd almost down, I too am going to sleep. And nt feel guilty I dodged the pil, they can come round when their son is home and I have had sleep so don't accidentally be rude to them.......

pinkapples Thu 29-Aug-13 10:18:03

Yea she is a bit squished not much clearance anywhere to be fair about an inch if that at the head end if that and she kicks out which sends the Moses basket rocking so will attempt to fit cot in our bedroom tonight and see if it helps :-)

pinkapples Thu 29-Aug-13 10:18:25

Yea she is a bit squished not much clearance anywhere to be fair about an inch if that at the head end if that and she kicks out which sends the Moses basket rocking so will attempt to fit cot in our bedroom tonight and see if it helps :-)

HungryHorace Thu 29-Aug-13 12:10:46

I think that's a good plan as she may not be overly comfy now. See how it goes.

And swerving the PiL is always a good plan, pinkbear!

Mutley77 Thu 29-Aug-13 14:42:11

We put DD in her cot, from Moses Basket, when she was about 3 or 4 weeks.... (in our room as plenty of space and her room on a different floor so not practical esp with so many night wakings!! - as well as I like having her close at this age). We did put her in her carry cot for quite a few nights around 6-10 weeks as she seemed to like being more contained and slept better. However she is pretty much too big for that now and seems to be used to having the space in the cot.

Hope everyone gets a good night's sleep tonight. Is 9.30pm here so am going to bed shortly to try and make the most of DD's (hopefully to be continued) 6 hour stretch until 1 a.m. - and hoping that it will be followed by another 6 hour stretch until 7!! (highly unlikely).

Olimoss Thu 29-Aug-13 15:10:36

Omg have just learnt about the 4-month sleep regression. Is giving me horrors as will be on own travelling to and in Australia when it's due. Anyone else?

Re: feeding and sleeping, J tends to have two little short naps in the morning between his 7 and 11am feeds, then again at 1230pm for a longer 2-hr sleep, then a nap again about 430pm before bath, feed and bed again at 7pm. He's dream-fed at 11pm then at moment is feeding at 3 and 7am. We are currently reducing his 3am feed by 20ml a night to get him off it, and hopefully to feed better in the morning, rather than the annoying snacking he prefers. So far so good.

He's growing rapidly out of the Moses Basket and we can't fit the cot in our room, really, not without a bit of hassle. His room is right next door to ours so do you think it will be ok to move him? Am nervous but he's getting a bit squished in the basket, still using his wedge and a swaddle, too.

12-week injections yesterday (a week late) with nary a sign other than slightly reduced appetite to show for it. Babies are funny things....

Hope everyone is doing ok, haven't had much time to pop in lately due to work and life and what seems like continuous visitors staying.

curlyclaz13 Thu 29-Aug-13 15:15:02

I am aware of the four month sleep regression, what happens if they aren't sleeping by then ? I can't do every 30 minutes shock

HungryHorace Thu 29-Aug-13 15:30:31

Maybe they start sleeping, curly! :-)

curlyclaz13 Thu 29-Aug-13 16:32:36

here's hoping hh ! it's a good job they're cute isn't !

pinkapples Thu 29-Aug-13 16:59:05

Oli I'm sure he'd be ok in his own room we are having her in our room tonight in the cot which I just moved on my own might I add not easy! And if alls ok then she'll be In her own room next week 12 weeks as I'm going back to work
We're a little bit more conscious as DH's sister died of cot death when she was 4 mths sad

hedgehogy Thu 29-Aug-13 17:08:42

Hawkmoth, did the poo change after immunisations? DD used to poo (a small amount) in more or less every nappy. Since the first lot of vaccinations, she poos once every few days! She's not constipated as it's still runny (she's bf) but the change was sudden after the immunisations. The HV said it could be the rotavirus vaccination but the nurse said it's probably coincidence (I doubt it as it happened instantly). Whatever the cause, they're nightmare nappies!

curlyclaz13 Thu 29-Aug-13 17:22:00

Those of you whose babies have outgrown moses baskets do you have prams with the same issue ? There is not much room left for growing but I know that they should stay flat in the pram until six months. Has anyone swapped to the pushchair seat yet ?

Olimoss Thu 29-Aug-13 17:36:03

Curly - J has been in the pram seat of our iCandy Strawberry for 4 weeks now as he hated the bassinet ... Us fine as the seat lays flat. He's so much happier that way...

Olimoss Thu 29-Aug-13 17:37:40

Thanks Pink - good luck tonight!

Olimoss Thu 29-Aug-13 17:38:02

Thanks Pink - good luck tonight!

hedgehogy Thu 29-Aug-13 17:56:15

Curly, dd has outgrown the Moses basket and is in a crib, but she still has a fair bit of room in her pram (icandy strawberry, which she's happy in).

That's interesting that the seat does lie flat, oli, as I've read that they shouldn't go in the seat until 6 months if possible (we haven't tried it out yet). I read somewhere that someone used the seat earlier and padded it out with the maxi cosi car seat insert so baby could lie flatter. I must test it out.

Mutley77 Fri 30-Aug-13 02:30:03

I'm going to swap to the pushchair seat in a few weeks as Dd is huge in carrycot. We will be going into spring then so will keep her in carrycot before as it's easier to keep her warm.

Our seat lies flat otherwise I would probably squeeze her into carrycot for longer!

pinkapples Fri 30-Aug-13 07:51:02

Well changing to the cot did absolutely sod all sad up again loads (should add shr only fed at 11pm and 3pm) I lost patience and went into the spare room so hubby dealt with her all night must admit I'm struggling after she was only waking once at 3am

I'm up and have fed her now and she's back down asleep on her belly think if she slept on her belly overnight shed sleep for hours but I'm just not brave enough so I guess I'll just have to see how long this phase lasts

SunnyL Fri 30-Aug-13 07:59:46

We had our first night out last night with a babysitter. Was flipping magic and i have to admit i only checked my phone twice. My mum was so chuffed to be babysitting and baby was an absolute angel for her. Gives me hope we can do this more often. Although my head is a little tender today so I may break my rule of no telly before 6pm and be a bit of a slug today.

But what is this 4 month thing? Ive got a perfect baby atnight. I dont want it to change.

Olimoss Fri 30-Aug-13 09:08:41

Curly - I think with iCandy you are ok to use the pram seat as long as you use the flattest setting of the three. J is definitely much happier in it - he can see out of it better, you can see him better, is all good.

This is from the iCandy site:-

"What do I use if my child has grown out of the bassinet before 6 months?

The iCandy Seat Units can be used with babies under 6 months only if they have outgrown their bassinet however they must be in the fully reclined position. When the baby can sit up unaided they can be placed in the other available positions."

MadameJ Fri 30-Aug-13 09:11:29

I have swapped over to the pushchair but it lies completly flat and there was no way I could carry on wedging her into the carrycot!!

Anyone got any ideas about how to get dd to bed earlier? During the day she completely self settles but come the evening she wants to be on the boob constantly and I cant get her to bed until she passes out, she does then sleep really well but it would be nice to have a little time to myself in the evenings! I have tried putting her down earlier, she wont be rocked and ewan the sheep seems to annoy her!!

Olimoss Fri 30-Aug-13 09:13:03

Sunny - http://www.mannlymama.com/2012/12/wonder-week-19-aka-4-month-sleep-regression/

Olimoss Fri 30-Aug-13 09:13:35
SunnyL Fri 30-Aug-13 10:13:54

Nope, no sorry, not going to happen. I refuse to succumb to this 4 month regression thingy. If ignore it it won't happen right?

Olimoss Fri 30-Aug-13 10:26:44

That's my approach, Sunny....!

Mrs81 Fri 30-Aug-13 11:05:21

No no no! 4 month regression sounds hellish. I will either a- join in the ignore it and it goes away tactic or b-run away for a week and leave DH to stomach it.

Alas, we'll probably be doing option c round about then- go and stay with the inlaws for a few days confused We might never get invited back!

Hawkmoth Fri 30-Aug-13 13:48:45

Hedgehogy she's not had any immunisations yet. The appointment has just come through for her first lot, she'll be 11 weeks. Pisspoor.

We're on day three today. I imagine she will wait until DH goes to work this evening.

Still paying the price for her sleeping at night. Can't put her down unless she's being pushed in the pram. Day times are becoming less and less productive... And I keep buying things online. Argh!

curlyclaz13 Fri 30-Aug-13 15:07:26

We have the babystyle oyster and it does say the seat should only be used from 6 months but it seems to lie pretty flat.

SunnyL Fri 30-Aug-13 17:57:59

Oh god a hangover with a small child is no laughing matter. I didn't even drink that much last night - like 3 glasses of wine. I have achieved nothing today except trying to replace my blood with diet coke and a diet largely consisting if ginger nuts and toast.

We've got another night out on Saturday with a free bar. Think I might limit myself to 2 drinks that night......

curlyclaz13 Fri 30-Aug-13 18:42:43

Oh dear sunny hope you feel better soon ! x
We have moved the cotbed into our room and put it up with one side missing right up against my side, hopefully this will make night feeds easier, only problem is how on earth I get out of bed, I have to clamber off the end ! not sure if it will work but like everything else we will give it a go and see.

pinkapples Fri 30-Aug-13 21:30:41

Yea curly we did that last night I had to crawl to the end of the bed to get out hehe

Steffanoid Fri 30-Aug-13 23:16:13

hello I'm still here smile mainly lurking.
we outgrew the first carrycot on the pram at about 7 weeks - mamas and paoas luna- but have since bought a second hand bebecar icon which has a nice wide carrycot as its shoulders we had the issue with. cot wise he's been in his cot for about 4 weeks maybe 3 now as he touched both ends of the moses basket and shoved his arms through the crib! he lies like a star in the cot it's cute smile

Hawkmoth Fri 30-Aug-13 23:26:38

I hate being right. Two shits. Bathroom wet through where I ineptly rinsed the shit off her lovely pink pants. DS up until ten o'clock so he'll be a bugger tomorrow. I'm just unreasonably tired.

pinkapples Sat 31-Aug-13 02:02:39

Have no idea where my beautiful sleeping baby has gone it has now been almost a week of unreasonable waking hours its like she's 6 weeks old again! And someone mentioned regression hmmm think mines already bloody started might give her water tomorrow so she might think oh that's crap and not bother waking for it then we can go back to 3am feeds

HungryHorace Sat 31-Aug-13 03:20:42

Has anyone with a teething baby seen actual teeth yet? DD has what feels like a couple of imminent teeth but no sign of them actually appearing properly yet.

We will probably wake one morning to a baby with a face full of gnashers!

MadameJ Sat 31-Aug-13 08:37:09

Well I managed a slightly earlier bedtime but then had wake ups at 3 & 5 so I don't think I will bother tonight!!!

HH no sign of teeth here thank goodness but I remember with DD1 she was pretty much "teething" ie red cheeks, chewing hands etc from 8 weeks but her first tooth didn't pop until she was 18 weeks so it can take ages!!

HungryHorace Sat 31-Aug-13 09:27:33

We had a 19.20 feed, followed by 00.20 and 2.30, then 6.30 and now 9.00.

She hasn't eaten as much as she should the last 2 days so I think she's trying to catch up.

DH let me sleep til 9. Feel like crap!!

HungryHorace Sat 31-Aug-13 09:28:16

Oh, and very interesting re teeth, Madame. Bugger!

MadameJ Sat 31-Aug-13 09:57:43

That's tough HH!! I hope you manage to get some rest today. I have decided on a pj day for us all today so DD1 is currently getting every single toy out so as you can imagine my front room resembles a toy shop that has being burgled!!!

SunnyL Sat 31-Aug-13 16:55:30

Has anyone here had mastitis?

Im feeling quite rubbish today. Cant get warm (Im in bed fully dressed with 2 jumpers on) feeling sick. I dont have sore boobs but LO has been feeding more often today and taking ages about it. She normally goes 3hrs between feeds easily but shes fed every 1.5 - 2hrs this afternoon. Or could it just be we both have a bit of a bug?

MadameJ Sat 31-Aug-13 18:09:12

Sunny I had it last time with DD1 and mine started like that and then progressed into very hard hot boobs and an extremely high temp. It may well be a bug if lo is feeding more so you may just have to wait and see what happens. Hope you feel better soon x

pinkapples Sun 01-Sep-13 02:20:11

Can I give my baby back yet I think she's broken either that or needs new batteries she keeps waking up laughing then going back to sleep then screaming for a feed in her sleep I'm not sure what happened but the baby I had a week ago has disappeared and been replaced with one that clearly doesn't work properly

hedgehogy Sun 01-Sep-13 10:24:04

Yes Sunny - mine started off like that too, but I'd go from feeling really cold (despite lots of layers) to sweating like mad. I was advised to drink lots of water, relax more (easier said than done!), feed/ express lots (making sure the breasts are always emptied), put a hot compress on before feeding and to massage regularly. I got rid of mine by doing all of this the first time, but the second time it developed into an abscess because I needed antibiotics. Hope you feel better soon.

SunnyL Sun 01-Sep-13 19:38:39

Has anyone any experience of freezing breast milk and defrosting it again? We defrosted 4 bags of breastmilk this week and at least 2 went off very quickly (within 24hrs despite being defrosted in the fridge overnight). This caused quite an issue last night when my sister was babysitting as LO rejected the bottle and was v upset. Thankfully she managed to settle herself and slept til 2am like usual. I'd really like to keep freezing milk since its great as a backup but if defrosting it is going to keep causing such issues I won't bother.

AlohaMama Sun 01-Sep-13 19:50:06

Hi all. Finding it hard to find the time to post at the moment. Back from our holidays and now trying to get on with normal life. Struggling with sleep for dd. She is doing great at night, but seems to hardly take any naps, and is just doing a lot of screaming. Now we're back 'home' I'm going to start trying to get her on a schedule and leave her to cry a bit. Not going that well tonight, but hopefully might be better tomorrow. Meanwhile, we're planning on starting to try potty training with ds tomorrow. Should be fun hmm

Sunny - I haven't recently but used to do that a lot. Are you sure the milk was definitely bad? The reason I ask was that I thought that was happening with some of mine, then realised it was just that the storage bags had a funny smell - kind of sour. When I smelt the bag before filling it, I realised that was what I was smelling, not the milk itself. I found it tainted the milk - even when you poured it out the milk still smelled funny. When I looked online I found others had the same problem. From memory, it was the medela bags that smelled, but lanisoh bags didn't. As I had a medela pump it was their bags I had been using to start with. Anyway just worth checking out.

Now our holiday is officially over, I've promised myself to start watching what I eat and start running. Not feeling too inspired yet though.

pinkbear82 Sun 01-Sep-13 20:16:23

I may well be wrong but I thought I read somewhere defrosted bm had to be used within 24 hours anyways? Could be well wrong tho.

I have to get back into expressing, as have a hen weekend in 21 days and need to leave enough to get DP and my mum through the weekend....starting it tomorrow. Might give the bags I got a sniff first tho!!

Had a migraine last night, and typically it was the one evening dd decided to feed every hour and scream in between. I couldn't stand the light on and may have definitely did yell at DP to turn the light off there may have been a f word inserted during asking him Ended up sleeping with a cold gel pack on my head, luckily by time I got up properly today it was gone.

Gotta go and collect the dogs from my parents in a bit, but dd has just dropped off and am thinking I might just send DP to do it and not risk upsetting the pattern with dd. ho hum

SunnyL Sun 01-Sep-13 20:37:46

Thanks for advice re freezing milk. I think the 'off' bottles of milk were about 24-36hrs old rather than the 12hrs the NHS website says. Whoopsie. I think i may also sniff my bags. Ive got lots of pots that i could use instead but used the bags because they took up less room.

Evening all, just catching up - been back from my holidays for a couple of weeks but school holidays mean that life is chaos! DD goes back on Tuesday though, and DS1 on Thursday so things should settle down soon.

M is massive - need to take him to be weighed soon, not been for 6 weeks or so. He grew out of all his 0-3 months clothes about 4 days after we arrived in France! Fortunately I'd packed a couple of 3-6m rompers and a couple of vests. He's feeding about every 2 1/2 to 3 hours in the day, but after a bottle of expressed milk at 7ish, sleeps till 11 when DH dream feeds him, then through until 7ish most nights - not every night, but probably 5 times a week. He's also really alert, smiley, and he "chats" so much, it's really funny.

Hawkmoth Sun 01-Sep-13 23:07:57

Agree Rue... That vocal ping pong they are starting to do is amazing.

SunnyL Mon 02-Sep-13 07:38:45

It was little girls first night in her cot in her big bedroom last night. I felt so sad to loose her company but she has outgrown the moses basket and there is no room for her cot in ours. It seems that she didnt miss us though as she slept from 8.30-4.30 before waking up at7.30 chatting away in her new room.

My little girl is growing up WAAAAIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLL!

MadameJ Mon 02-Sep-13 07:48:31

Morning all. How is everyone's stomach looking now, I weigh less than before I got pregnant but my stomach is still much bigger and it's driving mw mad. If anyone has any tips they would be great!!

HungryHorace Mon 02-Sep-13 07:51:01

Oh, Sunny. :-( It's going so fast, isn't it?

I think we will have DD in with us until 4 months and then move her to her own room. I've been told they sleep better on their own room as we aren't there to disturb them.

HungryHorace Mon 02-Sep-13 07:52:52

Madame, snap. :-( I think it's partly because my muscles split though. I really need to find time to do the exercises I was given. Or for Mutley to send me some of the recovery shorts from Oz! :-/

curlyclaz13 Mon 02-Sep-13 08:08:01

We have Oscar in his cotbed in our room in a sort of Co sleeping arrangement, right up against my side of the bed with the side of the cot off. We were talking about him moving in to his own room and OH has said it is never happening ! While he still wakes regularly it is easier for me to have him so close, thankfully there is room the house we moved fron a year ago had tiny rooms and I would have struggled with even a crib.
He does manage to turn round so he is across the bed, every time he wakes he has turned !

MadameJ Mon 02-Sep-13 08:22:34

HH was it just sit ups etc you were told to do?

SunnyL Mon 02-Sep-13 10:17:54

Hmmm DH dressed Lily this morning in a party frock. Im talking silk dress with petticoats. When i laughed at him he stropped off and got something more suitable. Only thing is its 9-12 months and flipping huge. May have to change her again before we go out as she looksridiculous.

HungryHorace Mon 02-Sep-13 10:31:33

Madame, I'll put a photo of the exercise sheet on my profile.

Sunny, DH won't choose an outfit for DD, that's my job. Good job by the sound of it!

MadameJ Mon 02-Sep-13 12:54:49

Thanks HH I will have a good look through later on the laptop. Have you being doing them long a d have you seen much improvement?

Hawkmoth Mon 02-Sep-13 14:58:28

Sunny... Bobbie is dressed as Spider-Man today! :D

We have no w retrieved all the next size baby clothes from the loft.

Hawkmoth Mon 02-Sep-13 15:04:44

Woohoo! DH has had to deal with the 48-hour shit.

HungryHorace Mon 02-Sep-13 15:39:14

Madame, I'm ashamed to say I've not done them yet :-/ There never appears to be time. I'm just trying to lose weight and then I'll see what I need to do.

And yay for DH's dealing with epic shits!

Ours are more like plasticine these days thanks to Gaviscon. :-/

Hawk grin how bad was it? I'm hoping DH gets the poonami here - we're currently on no shit since Saturday...

M had finally had his appointment for his 2nd set of jabs through, it's for Wednesday morning. He'll be 16 weeks old, so it's 4 weeks late and 7 weeks after his first set hmm

SunnyL Tue 03-Sep-13 07:06:44

DH has a cold. Hes really annoying me.

He also thought he was being nice by going to feed the baby at 6. Except he stood right next to the microphone to do it and wondered why i woke up. Heres a clue. THUMP.....THUMP THUMP.....COUGH...SNIFF SNIFF...THUMP.

oh Im not grumpy in the slightest. Ahem.

Hawkmoth Tue 03-Sep-13 08:13:45

The shit wasn't too bad. I had two leg fillers, this was just a belly button one!

I have a cold today Sunny, so my DH is also annoying! Neither of us will have a good day today. DD1 has been up since god knows when for her first day back at school. DS is, like every day lately, running about being a pirate. As for baby, her routine was totally destroyed yesterday with two trips out and an afternoon bath. Though she slept, she wouldn't go in her cot until 2am. We have been spoilt the last few weeks... This one hurts!!!

Got her 6-8 week check with the GP later. Since she's ten weeks tomorrow I'm guessing she will pass!

SunnyL Tue 03-Sep-13 08:26:01

Oh god Hawk you win. That sounds like a tough start to the day. Hope you all survive.

pinkbear82 Tue 03-Sep-13 08:33:53

Grumps here today too. DP was a first class knob before leaving for work.
Dd and I are back in bed, and quite honestly don't plan on moving, totally not what I had originally planned, but I can't be arsed. Just as well there isn't any chocolate and/or cake in the house.

I don't think I've had a single day with no poo from dd, its pretty much half the nappies I change are filled. Not sure what that says about dd....

Do the 12 wk jab appts get sent to us like the 8 week? We've not had ours through yet, but nurse said it had to be four Callander weeks apart which brings us to the end of this week. So haven't chased them yet, but wondering if I should.

curlyclaz13 Tue 03-Sep-13 09:20:42

We had our 12 week appointment sent to us for two weeks time when he is 14 weeks and 5 weeks after his first lot.
I hope those of you who have had crap nights/mornings days improve.

HungryHorace Tue 03-Sep-13 11:29:08

We make our own appointments. The guy who administered the jabs made the next one before starting.

For those of you waiting, who sends them to you?