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November 2012 - Thinking about first birthdays? Already?

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StuntNun Tue 06-Aug-13 10:37:48
Pikz Tue 06-Aug-13 19:34:36

I'm with pass. Brown paper and boxes here.

ButchCassidy Tue 06-Aug-13 19:42:28

Marking place still hoping to keep upsmile

Lily311 Tue 06-Aug-13 19:48:39

She will get one book. End of. She will have her cousins over for cake though.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 06-Aug-13 19:59:42

A helium balloon for sure, keeps her entertained for days!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 06-Aug-13 20:18:48

Chocolate cake for me and an empty box for her. <joke>

just the chocolate cake for me then grin

Oh OK, and a book, and presents from relatives. And skype calls with relatives. And masses of cuddles.

ValiumQueen Tue 06-Aug-13 20:43:34

And Christmas wink

fruitpastilles Tue 06-Aug-13 20:49:33

S is getting a talking, singing picnic basket thingy, we went to my cousins yesterday and her little girl has one, well, I've never seen S so impressed with a toy! Must find out the make and where it's from.

ChasingDaisy Tue 06-Aug-13 21:04:40

Oscar will be getting a few nice wooden toys and books from me. He is having a party too. I want to celebrate.

ValiumQueen Tue 06-Aug-13 21:05:17

J will have clothes and nappies and wipes. He also has a hungry caterpillar trolley for sleep-overs and holidays.

I have never read the hungry caterpillar. Perhaps I should.

He has had his Thomas day bag early in preparation for nursery.

GTbaby Tue 06-Aug-13 21:11:11

I bought him graffalo book set. Wooden jigsaw. And a few wooden instruments. All with Xmas in mind, oops forgetting about bday.
Think I might save instruments for Xmas as he will be more capable of playing with him.
And take out a toy from his stash for him. All the toy gifts he has been bought I just put away re gifting. I'll regift one to him! Is that mean? He has enough toys.

Or I'll give him a play buddy! His brother can be his gift. Lol.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 06-Aug-13 21:49:01

Leavimg the end of last thread for kyz

mm a star wrap is a brilliant idea and congratulations on your interview !!!

Kyz Tue 06-Aug-13 21:52:42

Ohh thankyou pr I have stayed up specifically to see if I could end it, am so chuffed grin saddo

I don't know what i'm getting E yet. He has a ballapalooza but i'm not sure if it's for birthday or christmas. Part of me wants to go all out and have a big party and get him lots of things, and the other part of me thinks it's pointless and I should get him a few things but save my money for when he's older and wants parties with friends from school etc.

vq I read that to e tonight, it is fantabbylous and over in minutes which really helps here as he has no attention span for stories atm

He's just farted and turned the video monitor on! And with that, i shall go to bed, night all x

ChasingDaisy Tue 06-Aug-13 21:57:00

Feeling blue tonight.

But I got Snail and the Whale from the library today so may read that before bed.

Night all x

BigPigLittlePig Tue 06-Aug-13 21:59:10

Enjoy chasing

Well done MM

Det has she got a swing? You could get a good swing 2nd hand with some change left over for treats?

Passmethecrisps Tue 06-Aug-13 22:00:51

Oh chasing, the snail and the whale is my absolute favourite book. Ever. I love it. It's a lovely story

BigPigLittlePig Tue 06-Aug-13 22:12:23

We read it tonight. Although Freya was asleep by the end grin

YellowWellies Tue 06-Aug-13 22:17:38

Was going to suggest the quiche approved star blanket too! It's my standard new baby present too - they're just so useful.

MM great news on the interview - well done Mrs!

Lily we have the ergo. After some advice from Pidj on how to fit it - I love it. I wear the bear when he's really grumpy or clingy. We often walk to the corner shop in it - its comfy enough that I'd happily go further (though J's only 7.5kg) but babywearers what do you do re change bag? I love the buggy for not having to carry anything.

MissMummy1 Tue 06-Aug-13 22:19:28

Thank you all! Although as suspected, after childcare I am better off still working for myself sad Although this will be more stability and something on my cv. Plus I can still tutor freelance in my free time.

I am dying my hair tonight. I have only done this myself twice, both disasterously. Although tonight I am going darker (highlights are way too much maintenance and now look tacky). Hmm.

Oh and I might have some really exciting news tomorrow night! VQ and stuntnun have been taking bets all day grin wink

GTbaby Tue 06-Aug-13 22:21:34

Back to last thread... And recommendations on gift ideas. I've had two ppl ask what I want for bump... No idea why to say.
We have everything. I've told one person an ear thermometer. As that's the one thing I wanted with LO but never bought.

Anything looking bk you wish you had bought?

Evening all!!
We're back from our travels, well I got back Sunday night but have been busy busy since.
Camping and bikes were fab. M is now a little pro walker with the v tech thingy, she was walking it up and down the field we were camping in. She's also a champion climber after learning how to eat in and put of the tent.
She's also just got her fifth tooth! And today she learnt to climb the stairs shock she really is growing up fast now.

DH has had to go away with work, working nights in County Durham. First time he's ever worked away so it's just M and I yesterday until Friday. We're coping ok so far.

I need to catch up on the Fred but have caught a few posts of the last page.

mm1 Are the straps on the bottom or top hole? Apparently they're supposed to come from level with or below the shoulders, so up and over like you've described, rather than above the shoulders.
Woop woop for the interview!

Can't remember anything else grin

YellowWellies Tue 06-Aug-13 22:33:46

Fatima she's an all action girly smile shock ! Glad you're coping solo - DH is working in the Falklands in September for a week sad and I'm a) jealous as hell of him gadding round the planet especially somewhere he'll see penguins and b) a bit nervous of flying solo for a week.

MissMummy1 Tue 06-Aug-13 22:37:06

<twiddles thumbs> 6 minutes to go...

Fatima she sounds amazing! And I am sure you are doing fab this week. Going solo the first time is daunting.

Yeah, straps go up and over shoulders. I am determined to keep her in it as long as possible but she is so tall confused

PurplePidjin Tue 06-Aug-13 22:37:44

Ooh, i helped someone! blush

Never too late for cloth nappies, remember there's another 2 years of buying them to go! Little Lamb do awesome deals, or buy pre shat loved smile

Most areas have a sling consultant who will come to your house and show you how to use different types. Maybe offer to take the older two for a treat and pay for that if you think she might be that way inclined?

I went to a kick boxing club tonight, I'm determined to shift this last stone but get hungry and grumpy if i cut down food. Fabulous fun but at £8 a week I'm not sure i can afford to go back. I'd go swimming but the pool is closed for renovations until October and i don't want to drive to one because I'd be out of the house too long if vdp needed me.

PurplePidjin Tue 06-Aug-13 22:41:15

I have a long strap on my bag, so across the body.

R and 3 friends from baby group all within a month of each other, we're thinking about hiring the church hall, filling it with toys and just letting the babies run riot for an hour grin

TheDetective Tue 06-Aug-13 22:44:18

I'll have a think about the star wrap! It might be useful. Did anyone use them in a pram though? She has a double side by side, and no car seat to put in and out, car seat will be remaining in the car.

I do think it is very strange that pikz, fatima and I seem to have acquired such adventurers, when they were all born on the same day.

I never really thought there was much about star signs or the like. But I am starting to wonder. grin

MM Bloody tease!!

ValiumQueen Tue 06-Aug-13 23:25:02

I actually think straps should start above shoulders. Because of the risk of slippage. Too late to google, but I would bet money on it. You can buy a clip Detective to hold the straps together, but they can actually be more dangerous. I think it is time to move to his ff seat.

As a recent new mum to no.3 I would recommend taking the other two out as your gift, or do cooking or laundry. If she wanted a sling she would already have one.

YellowWellies Wed 07-Aug-13 01:18:50

Det yes they're all Sagittarius - the adventurer - which certainly describes those three to a tee. Whereas Jonas and the early November babies are more introverted naval-gazing Scorpios. Pass's P seems an obvious exception to this 'rule'. I actually do birth charts (Ha I did once in a former life that had spare time!) see I'm plenty woo blush . I've drawn up Jonas' - its actually v similar to mine we're both Scorpio sun, Aquarius moon (and a few other bits in common). I wonder if we'll lock horns when he's older any more than we would anyway.

Kirrin Wed 07-Aug-13 04:05:12

Glad all is well daisy

Nappy changes are a nightmare here too - I literally have to pin her down to stop her rolling away whilst trying to stop her putting both hands onto her pooey bottom. Which doesn't leave me with a free hand to actually change the nappy.

I've been buying Star wraps for all new babies too. We had so much use out of ours, and so many compliments. And yes, I used mine in the pram all the time detective

Well done on the interview mm smile

Thechick Wed 07-Aug-13 05:02:32

Gt can you ask for vouchers for a particular place like John Lewis or mothercare and then when you do need something they are there.
Det my go to gift is aden and anais muslins, the large ones. They are a little bit pricy but so versatile and a real treat. You can get them cheaply at tkmax if not then amazon.

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 06:22:08

My poor O is in so much pain sad. What a horrible night. Bloody teeth angry He won't even let me near him to put teething gel on and if I do manage to get some on, it is such a battle that he ends up even more upset. I will pop to Boots after soft play to see if they have any 5ml spoons I can use for calpol. Finally managed to get him back down now after he woke the whole house up at 5 but I can still hear him sobbing in his sleep over the monitor sad

Oh. Cute guy works at the Boots pharmacy counter.

Donnadoon Wed 07-Aug-13 06:49:22
Kyz Wed 07-Aug-13 06:57:17

<yawn> 6 is an improvement on 5:30, it is. He seemed to be trying to go back to sleep too. Wondee if he'll go back off after his bottle

<goes and catches up>

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 07:02:52

det I just skim read the thread as I was so excited about my great idea for your gift, but as usual Sophia brings up the rear with the start blanket suggestion!

yw I have just replaced my Donkey with a Nipper out and about as it gets brilliant reviews as a light weight off reader and a bit cheaper than the mountain buggy. I have already tested out the rain cover In torrential rain and it is amazing. Anyway I am really pleased with it and I have heard great things about the out and about double too.

Well done with the interview mm and I can not hold on any more for your exciting news. It is too exciting.

It is DS1s birthday today. This time three years ago I was just about getting ready to go to hospital in sulubrious Slough.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 07:07:37

Off roader.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 07:09:09

chasing I have found spoons much easier with O. Haven't really used syringes at all.

PurplePidjin Wed 07-Aug-13 07:14:36

7:15-3 then 4, 4:20, 4:45 when he decided it was kick mummy and play time so i left him to it. think dp got him up at 5:30 ish. I feel like hell.

PennieLane Wed 07-Aug-13 07:16:42

Well done mm what's the exciting news?!

I'm going for birthday books but I'm also stealing the duplo (sp) idea from here. I'd quite like to buy a keepsake from HK as that's where we'll be, like a box or something she can have forever. Christmas probably books and clothes! Although I love the idea of a rocking horse if I can find a cheap one!

PennieLane Wed 07-Aug-13 07:17:46

brew PP you sound like me yesterday! Although our night was ok last night, I'm still knackered!

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 07:30:41

Morning peepers.

Star wrap is a great idea. I wish we had had one.

P is towards the middle of November - is she close to the star sign cut off? Is that what it is called? I am sure it has a proper name. I don't think I am much like a Sagittarius. Am I? Go on, enlighed me grin

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 07:31:32

Sounds shite pp

PurplePidjin Wed 07-Aug-13 07:31:52

The night before he was up 2:30-4:30 with his bastard teeth. We had 1 good night on Friday when the night weaning had nearly worked then the fucking teeth fucked the whole thing up. Four of the little fuckers.

It is Wednesday, right?

R has a rocking horse but as it only cost a fiver at a nearly new sale, he's just having it grin friend of mine is a librarian so I'm going to ask for a list of essential classics and suggest them if asked. Plus some from us.

Thechick Wed 07-Aug-13 07:56:36

Donna our babies are 10 months today. They will be 1 in 2 months. I can't believe it. The time has gone way too fast.

fruitpastilles Wed 07-Aug-13 08:04:25

Ooh mm what's the news? And congrats on getting an interview!

kyz what awesome rat names! I luffs bottom too, used to watch it with my dad all the time. That and red dwarf, they are his faves.

We have the snail and the whale now, haven't read it yet though, I keep reading S room on the broom, I love it.

S was born on the 13th, I assumed she was a Scorpio, but thinking about it I have never actually checked, off to google now.

Happy birthday to ds1 sophia

pp brew

S woke up 3 times before I went to bed last night, 1 of those times took me an hour to get her back to sleep, the other 2 were just dummy inserts, then she woke at just before 4, another quick one and then up for the day at 5:15. She looks about ready for a nap. I might give her her breakfast first though. She's currently pulling herself up on the tv unit and biting the top confused I've no idea what to block it off with. Think we might end up putting the telly on the wall.

Lily311 Wed 07-Aug-13 08:05:52

Good night here apart from the one o'clock scream, she managed to put one of her legs through the cot bars and got stuck. I rescued her and she slept till 7. She is down already for a nap, very very whiny.

Oh, I met one of my neighbours yesterday for the first time and she has a ten month old and a 5 year old. I'm so happy, we are having a play date this afternoon already. The funny thing is that she has the same surname as me, we are not related though.

Did I tell you about my experience with the personal trAiner? I went there 3 times a week, it's dead cheap here, like £8 an hour. She said it was cheaper if I trained with someone else and she arranged another girl to join. I said great. Than a guy joined, than another girl. She than invoiced me for the full price. I told her that wasn't the deal and she said all the others agreed to pay the full price . I told her that for that amount I would expect 1:1 session and that good bye, I was going to find a different person. She is now emailing me that she could do 1:1 with me and which days are good. I'm ignoring. Don't mess with me cause I'm not taking shit I say. I found another gym yesterday and will try that out.

Lily311 Wed 07-Aug-13 08:06:28

O is a Scorpio and so am I. I need to prepare for the teenage battles.

StuntNun Wed 07-Aug-13 08:11:35

I just nearly bought a Manduca. I must be going mental with sleep deprivation or sumfing.

PurplePidjin Wed 07-Aug-13 08:27:58

R and i are Scorpio, 4 days apart.

Manduca are great, Stunt, what stopped you?

YellowWellies Wed 07-Aug-13 08:28:17

Pass P is close to the Scorpio / Sag cusp but still the Scorpio side. My two best mates are similar - I think its a great mix. If you Google 'cafe astrology' it can generate natal charts for free on birth time, place, date info - then you can just Google interpretation information. This sounds so bad but when I went into labour on MM's FP's and my evil ex's birthday I was desperate not to give birth until the next day (early Scorpio) as my ex was a late Libra cusp and I find them compulsive liars / charming charlatans. Even though it meant a longer labour!

We nearly joined the roll off the bed club - I caught him as he was disappearing off the side!!!!! Arrrgh he is now speed rolling shock

A good night here - one wake up at 1.15 - then down til 7.50 smile

Donnadoon Wed 07-Aug-13 08:29:37

chick Omg just realised yes 10 months today, wowzers where has the time gone? <sob> don't want my baby girl growing up too fast...ignore me I'm hormonal smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 08:46:39

I'm a Scorpio and was really chuffed that LO was due to be one too. As it turns out she was delivered two weeks early and is, I think, a Libra.

DD1 is a Pisces. She was born on my ex's birthday. The OB GYN popped in to see me on the night I went into labour, at about 10pm. I said is there anyway she can be born tonight or the day after tomorrow, not tomorrow? He said no, unless we do a c section right now. So I said yes, that will be fine, go ahead. He looked at me a little hmm and said we'll see how labour progresses. Dammit. Needed a c section anyway the next morning, and now her birthday will always remind me of him. Not that I will ever let on to anyone. It's just annoying that of 365 days of the year that was the one.

The irony is that he now has a child born on my birthday. Twat.

YellowWellies Wed 07-Aug-13 09:58:16

I'm a Scorpio too smile

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 10:19:15

I'm a Pisces. Not sure what O is. 28th Nov anyone?

Pikz Wed 07-Aug-13 10:25:22

YW I hadn't thought of that... Yep out little Sagittarius adventurers.

I'm a Taurus... Stubborn as you like!

StuntNun Wed 07-Aug-13 10:25:22

Ha the price tag Pidj! I would love to be able to do back carries but I can only work out front carries with my woven wrap.

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 11:22:35

Loitering outside Boots trying to pluck up the courage to give cute guy my number....

ditsygem Wed 07-Aug-13 11:29:57

Do it Chasing!!

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 11:30:17

Seize the day chasing!

You can never regret what you have done, only what you haven't

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 11:32:36

I have had a wee look at the chart stuff for p but I don't understand it. I found myself picking out the bits I liked and ignoring the bits I didn't. Which is why I am not much for the whole thing anyway.

Kyz Wed 07-Aug-13 11:39:39

Morning all! Had a rough morning this morning sad e did 7-6 which is better, fed at 6:45, but then fell asleep at 7:15 until 8:20 which makes the rest of the day difficult. Put him down for a nap about 2 hours after he got up, he kept crawling about and stood up at the bars and i went to go into him and then I heard an almighty crash. He had stood up and then fell backwards and hit his head on his solid cot end. He was not happy and then took an hour to go to sleep. He refused breakfast again, but I'm used to that now!

Qq, I've read a couple of times about people only given LOs a bottle at night. Am I supposed to be using something other than a bottle now?

Also, I'm wondering if he needs to take a bit more milk/solids but he won't do breakfast still and I'm keen to not go backwards and give a fourth bottle at tea mostly because it squashes things right up and he's a pain at bed time with that last bottle then. Does it sound feasible to make up 4oz and give it in his sippy cup at tea time with his solids? Or is this a bad idea/step backwards/something I haven't thought of? Or should I focus more on getting him to eat breakfast if anything? thanks quiche!

I have never read snail and the whale. I am guessing I should?

Post a pic on fb of your new hair mm1

gt I never got a star wrap and wanted one

Sounds like you had a lovely time fatima and m has learnt alot whilst you've been away!

Going to take a peek at little lambs for nappies, or buy some second hand ones and try them out I think, thanks for the advice pp just trying to convince dp I'm not making more work for myself/spending extra

I think e is Scorpio, 6th nov. tbh I've not looked but I will do now, am curious

Sorry you had a bad night chasing poor o sad yours doesn't sound good either pp sad

Happy birthday to your ds1 sophia smile

Ooh I fucking forgot about sweary fucking weds. I will swear today too I am sure. Lots.

Ooh nice to know another bottom fan fruit

That's handy lilly smile be nice for o to have a same aged friend smile that's crap re the gym too, like you'd pay full price when you've been told its cheaper with more people!

<has no idea what a manduca is>

Happy ten month day to mini chick and mini Donna

pr that is very ironic!

Oh go on chasing!!!

I was going to give e a blw style lunch with spoon fed pudding, but I'm not sure whether to. Part of me thinks he won't eat enough if I do which is why I usually spoon feed something and give some finger foods. Ah well. Might as well give it a whirl, he still has a bottle at lunch so what's the worst that can happen?

Lily311 Wed 07-Aug-13 11:46:01

Just looking at the pictures of the flooding in herne hill, a couple of months ago I lived 10 min away from there! Hope Thames water fix this mess.

chasing did you??

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 11:49:48

So close....but failed. I had the perfect opportunity but hesitated and he was then busy. Kicking myself.

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 11:56:46

Thank you for the gift ideas! I am thinking either star wrap or Ewan - I may wait a week after the baby arrives, and then chat to her and see how she is getting on. I guess some gifts are more useful depending on the kind of baby you have! I have a swaddle she can lend so have ruled that out as a gift.

VQ I shall google about the straps. It would be a shame to move him though as he still has room in his seat, and would prefer to keep him rear facing til he is walking and has more control of his body, if that makes sense.

Chasing do it! You know I did it, and it worked! grin Even if it doesn't work out, he will be flattered, and you will feel great that you had the confidence! So, what is there to worry about?!

O has had night feeds the last 2 nights after doing so well before then. <Sigh> Also lots of failed transfers going on here all week. I am putting it down to a developmental leap. I think I have noticed this happening around leaps. It usually lasts a week or 2.

I am hoping this leap is not fucking walking. hmm

DP is being very kind today! He let me have a lie in, then woke me up saying he would take O out this afternoon. He followed it up with, 'and you are not to do any bloody housework, okay?!' Erm, fine by me! I asked him why, and he said because I have had O nearly every day since he has been back at work. Yeah? And?! Oh well, if he thinks I've got it tough, who am I to argue! Looking forward to reading a book or something this afternoon grin.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 11:57:14

I loved bbc London news this morning: 3 streets have been flooded due to a burst water wipe. Thames Water have apologised.

Oh well that's ok then.

Bloody public services should never EVER have been privatised.

Fingers crossed for chasing

kyz the advice is to move to milk in a sippy cup from about now. I've only ever used a bottle for milk. Weaning them onto a messy sippy cup for milk is a battle I've chosen not to fight. Everything else is in a sippy cup for LO and normal cup for DD1. Except when it's very hot and I have put juice or water in a bottle for LO to trick her into drinking more.

Ooh weather news. I went outside this morning to feed the dog and was in my nightie and I SHIVERED. It felt so good to be not too hot.

Lily311 Wed 07-Aug-13 11:57:43

I Think you need some paracetamol. Or cough medicine. Whatever is behind the counter...

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 11:58:40

I am a Scorpio. O should have been a Scorpio, given he was due on the 3rd November. He was born 3 minutes in to Sagittarius grin.

And this is what it say's about him.... shock

Sun in Sagittarius

Restless, cheerful, and friendly, Sun in Sagittarius people are generally on the go. They have a love of freedom, and a disdain for routine. Generally quite easygoing, Sagittarians make friends with people from all walks of life. They love to laugh and tease, and get along well with both sexes. Sagittarians have an often blind faith in people, and in the world. Their optimism is infectious, although it can get them into trouble from time to time. These are curious people who love to learn. Their idealistic nature is hard to miss.

Although generally easygoing, Sagittarius is a fire sign. This gives natives a generally quick temper. Fortunately, they're usually as quick to forget what got them angry in the first place. The need for escape is generally strong, and some Solar Sagittarians come across as a little irresponsible. They're generally easy to forgive, however. After all, their direct, honest approach in life is admirable.

Short description:

He is good, idealistic, enthusiastic and warm-hearted. He is independent, has a taste for travel and freedom. He is curious and fair-minded.

Weaknesses: He is too adventurous and leaves things to chance: takes risks which cause problems: he is rebellious and sometimes tactless when offering opinions.

All of the above describe O to a tee. Fuck!

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 12:01:47

I got a calpol spoon from behind the counter, only he wasn't serving...

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 12:03:29

P was induced so surely that would make a difference? When actually born vs when should have been born.

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 12:04:31

Another day chasing. I am very happily married but it would make my day if someone as handsome as you are lovely have me his number.

YellowWellies Wed 07-Aug-13 12:08:09

Chasing just walk back in and say bold as brass "I've been plucking up the courage to give you my number - it's not something I normally do! But if you fancy going out for a coffee sometime - call me". He'll be dead flattered and it's always nice to make someone's day. Do it do it! As Pass says it's the things you don't do that you regret. What's the worst that could happen - he might politely tell you he's gay or he has a girlfriend - in which case you just tell him it was 'worth asking' smile . And the 28th makes O a Sagittarius or saggy hairy arse as my Sag DH calls himself grin .

Pass some aspects will contradict others - the most important elements in an interpretation is Sun, ascendant (rising sign), the elements (how many planets are masculine / feminine, how many earth, air, fire, water etc), the Moon, Venus and Mars. Outer planets and aspects between planets are secondary. I also put more weight on the sign of a planet than which house it falls in. I realise I'm a very odd scientist for having an interest in astrology.... blush smile

Pikz Wed 07-Aug-13 12:09:40

Det describes L completely as we'll!!!

Go chasing go!!!

YellowWellies Wed 07-Aug-13 12:12:07

Nope Pass it's when you came out that matters. I should have been Sag / Capricorn cusp but came early as a Scorpio. Even with induction.

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 12:13:00

I think p seems more chilled that maybe O or L but less chilled than J or J or the other earlier babies. Hmm.

Strap wise det vq they're definitely not meant to come from above the shoulder, well not on the cabriofix anyway. They're supposed to come from level with the shoulders. Not from loads below either. M is in between the two strap holes at the moment so I use the lower one and pull her bum a bit lower. She normally shuffles down anyway.
I wouldn't move him FF yet if you can help it.
det did you manage to look at the ERF at winstanleys?

QQ - when do they start digesting better? Ms nappies stink at the moment but the last couple of days she's eaten quite a lot of peach and there's chunks of peach in her poo.

kyz m has had cherry toms, cucumber, pitta and hummus for lunch, so not loads. Going to follow it with a bit of natural yogurt and raspberries. Seems to be enough for her though as she doesn't feed much during the day now. And from a week on Monday will be having no milk between breakfast and tea.

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 12:41:13

That was my original plan YW! Damnit, I really want to go back down there now but I can't. Bugger it.

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 12:49:26

MM M is a Sagittarius too isn't she?! grin

I would have thought the Scorpio's to be more fiery!

Me, DS1 and DP are all in harmony. Supposedly! Scorpio, Cancer and Pisces.

Fatima No, I haven't been yet, as I wasn't planning on buying one til late Sept/Oct time when I figured he would be nearing outgrown his other seat!

Kyz we did a finger food and a spooned desert for lunch. I generally do mosy days. He had ham, breadstick, cucumber, and some of his beloved sweetcorn rings grin. Followed with pureed fruit spooned in as fast as my little fingers could go. He bloody loves fruit hmm.

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 12:59:33

kyz O always has a finger food lunch. Bread, cheese, meat, fruit etc. He has decided that he doesnt actually want to eat anything at the moment though. Fucking teeth.

Well I checked my receipt from yesterday and I now his name is Tom.

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 13:12:54

So I've solved the car seat problem. What a dickhead. Took the insert out. I had been reluctant to do so because the seat seems far too hard without it.

But now I've taken it out, I see the difference it makes! He's fine in it now. Loads of room yet. Have put a picture on facebook to show!

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 13:51:02

Ha problem solved det!

I wish you lived locally, I'd totes be asking you to go in there for me grin

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 13:58:56

And I would so do it! Balls of steel grin

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 14:01:15

I have no doubt that you would grin

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 14:42:19

Been reading up about seat strap positioning.

With rear facing car seats use the slot level with or below the shoulders, never above.

With forward facing car seats use the slot level with or above the shoulders, never below.

This is to do with direction of movement in the most common impact i.e. from the front.

Kyz Wed 07-Aug-13 14:45:03

Afternoon. Phew. Could be going worse I guess! Fucking glad it's sweary weds, bloody dogs are driving me mad, bastard fur everywhere, I Hoover every day, sometimes twice and STILL there's fur all over the shop!


Very nice of your dp det smile

Ahh I see pr. I'm not sure e would do great with bottles in his sippy cup, he drinks well out of it but also chucks it everywhere! Hmm. Also, you sound unwell sad

chasing I think yw's plan sounds a good un

fatima does m have much milk/bf? E is only offered 3 bottles now as he dropped the tea one to an oz or two but I worry sometimes that he needs more.

det I did pesto pitta pockets and spooned him an organix pot but ended up spooning him some cauliflower cheese as that's what I had and he wanted some.

I've never given e ham, does it go down well?

I think the problem still is that I am worried he won't take enough because I'm scared if He doesnt sleep well and i don't sleep at night I'll be a crap mum, I'm no good with no sleep sad and I'm the first to admit it, I am terrible. Also I still have the irrational fear of choking type thing going on. I need to get a grip I think! He eats pretty well and only gagged once on pitta bread.

I had to do the same thing with my car seat det, though I am looking for an excuse to get a new one, mine is a baby weavers one and I hate it!

Grr, gotta chop potatoes up. Can't be fucking fucked to fucking move never bastarding mind chopping cunting potatoes ESP not ones that require nobbing peeling first. Bollocks.

As you were.

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 15:00:50

Ham goes down VERY well here. I have ham on the bone - so it is quite thickly sliced.

I do worry about the salt content as it is quite high. I let him have small pieces, I put them in his mouth for him as his lordship requests hmm. He devours them. I'm pretty sure he would eat a whole slice given the chance to!

I feel the same. I'm sofa camped, watching trashy tv. Sod the book! grin Guess DP will be home soon though. He went out just after 1.

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 15:09:13

I am at my desk. At work. Checking my emails. And eating chocolates that someone very kindly left for me!

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 15:11:38

I am enjoying the peace and quiet here. The girls are having a great time and are running Daddy ragged grin I am torn between cleaning and washing CSI from the beginning. I am loving knowing that it is only my crap that needs picking up, sorting, washing etc. I also left the washing up overnight because I wanted to! J is a bit puzzled and keeps looking for everyone.

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 15:13:40

Pass you do not start until next week, but I understand why you are there. Hope it makes you feel a bit more prepared. How is DH and his studies?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 15:14:05

I'm not unwell - I shivered because after weeks and weeks of heatwave this morning it was under 20° and hasn't gone above 25° all day. It's bliss. I hate the heat. I was happy to shiver.

Unless my posting style today would indicate I am unwell. Is it because I'm not swearing enough?

Buggery bollocky wanksocks grin Better?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 15:15:17

vq In your position I would blitz the house and then watch dvd boxsets and read trashy novels the whole time. envy

kyz I just let her bf when she wants, I figure if she wanted more she'd let me know. Today she hasn't bf much, her last feed was at 7am. She's since had brekkie and lunch. I'm guessing when she wakes from her nap she'll want a bf before tea. But last night she fed a lot over night as she kept waking with her teefs.
Some days she'll bf more often, especially if she's had less meals.
It's hard because I don't want her bf all the time and then not be able to when I go back to work so I'm trying to get her used to not having it all the time.

Right, what can I cook for tea for M and I? I've got a lasagne I was going to do, or I thought about veggie pasta. But I've a butternut squash that needs using. It's hard just cooking for me and M

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 15:43:56

VQ it is bliss just picking up after yourself! It does get lonely after a while though, so just enjoy it for what it is now! A nice change!

And watch the sodding TV!

There is not enough down time in our lives. Make the most.

I am sat here with a house that needs cleaning top to bottom. 9 months ago, I could not contemplate sitting here and actually feeling relaxed knowing it needed doing. I have learnt thanks O! to manage those feelings and squash them to oblivion! grin I don't let the house get in to total chaos, but it isn't how I would like it in my ideal world. Oh well. It's all the dog's fault anyway. Fecking hairy bitch!

DP text me to let me know that the bababa that O was doing as he left the house has carried on all afternoon! My baby is babbling! Finally! I was a little worried grin. I think it might have helped that I have been doing bababa at him all day long for the last week. grin

StuntNun Wed 07-Aug-13 15:44:14

Good news in the Nun household today, we were approved for the bigger mortgage ha ha ha haaaah the fools, the fools gave us the money! I'm fucking glad interest rates have dropped so much, our new monthly payment will only be £90 more than we paid for the first for years on our bastarding fixed rate mortgage even though we're borrowing 1.5 times the amount of money we had borrowed then. We were on 5.5% when everyone else's variable rate mortgages were dropping by £100 per month. The downside is we're going back to a 25 year term so won't own the house until we're both 62. shock Jeez by then even the hypothetical DC4 will be an adult. shockshock

J is loving standing up now, he giggles the whole time. He can't quite pull himself up to standing yet.

StuntNun Wed 07-Aug-13 15:44:39

*five years

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 15:51:43

I have also decided not to get O any babygrows in 9-12. Given his love for being on his feet, and the fact he has worn the feet and knees in on all his 6-9 ones - which haven't had much wear anyway due to the weather - I figured PJ's would be more practical.

So I picked up a pack in Asda yesterday. Great. Except for the fact the sodding pants fall down over his feet anyway!!! I am going to get him some skinny fit ones. I've seen some on eBay. Hopefully they will be better.

I might get a couple of babygrows. Just because I do love them. But mostly I think pj's will be practical from now on.

Can I have nap advice please? O is fighting going down for both naps. He does seem tired though. And will sleep up to 3 hours. If we are home he has around 4 hours of napping a day - split over 2 naps. He sleeps around 11 hours at night. He usually has a nap after 2.5-3 hours of wake time.

Would you try and get him to have one longer nap? I'm concerned that if I do this, it will end up being right over the middle of the day, and then lunch is a bit buggered? I think he is a bit young to be dropping the morning nap also. I'm not sure. The fighting could be a developmental leap?

I might revert back to the old fail safe of pushchair naps for now? Or is that just giving up for an easy life?

Speaking of which, when O goes to my mums, and DP's mums, I am planning on telling them to just rock him in the pram to sleep. This is far the easiest way to get him asleep. I want to make their life as easy as I can while they have him. Would this make my life harder at keeping him in his cot for naps though?

Any thoughts?

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 15:58:06

I have decided not to buy cakes for the wider team for my leaving. No one talks to me anyway. I have just bought an individual pressure for each of my immediate tea, that they would actually like, and I will then just slip away.

Is that bah humbug?

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 15:58:21


PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 16:16:32

sophia I think that is a perfect compromise.

detective you might find O goes down easier for others so I'd let them manage it how they see fit. If it is easier for them to rock to sleep in the pram then that is fine; if he goes down in a cot easily then that's great. They'll work out what is easiest. Assuming they know about looking after babies and respect dietary requirements I think you just have to let them get on with it.

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 16:24:34

See if I was looking after someone elses baby, I'd want to know how the parents put them to sleep - even if I tried my own thing, so that I knew a 'failsafe' way of sorts.

My mum hasn't looked after a baby since me. grin

Ds1 was 2 before she would have him!

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 16:44:29

My mum popped in when J was having his toast (or not) and said 'oh you poor thing, has mummy not put butter on for you?' She did not know there was milk in butter apparently.

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 16:55:25

My mum didn't know there was milk in biscuits (most!) VQ.

We went out to a nature reserve type place yesterday, and she took a packed lunch. She wanted to make it for everyone. I said I would bring mine (due to SW) and O's. She said I can bring things for him, he can have a biscuit can't he now. I said no mum, most biscuits have milk in. She said 'hasn't he outgrown that now?' with a very confused tone to her voice. hmm

And yes, I have explained before that he will outgrow it, but not likely under 1, but hopefully before he goes to school!


TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 17:04:44

Oh, a massive hit here - crumpets with vitalite on.

He loved them!

Have found the Organix range of finger foods and some of their meals very good in terms of being milk free. O had their banana and raisin porridge this morning and it was a big hit.

I find having the odd few bits of baby specific food very useful now, especially when we go out, or are in a rush.

Though to be honest, weetabix is quicker for his breakfast! I just can't be arsed blending the fecking porridge oats up sometimes. blush He still won't take porridge without a little blending. GRR!

This is their allergen information www.organix.com/sites/organix.herogtc.net/files/u17982/Allergen%20Data%20June%2013_0.pdf

O seems to prefer their stuff to EK.

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 17:07:39

I find it very odd and strange funny how Asda's own brand bread sticks are milk free. Yet exactly the same one's in a mini size say not suitable for milk allergy on the pack.



The mini one's would be fab for O! <Tut>

GTbaby Wed 07-Aug-13 17:20:10

Off to the new local kiddie care!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 17:25:35

Often things say they are not suitable for allergies because they are made in the same place as something made with ie dairy, or nuts, or whatever; which means there would be a small risk of a trace. Someone on the last thread checked somethingnwith a baker in Sainsburys who said the actual specific bread was whatever-free but because of the risk of being made in the same place. Not sure if I am making sense.

If I was looking after a child I would of course want to know how things are done at home, but I meant that if another way works for them then they should do that (within reason). So wanted to reassure you that although O is tricky to put down in a cot for you he might not be for your mum or MIL, or might be for one but not the other etc. Te rtw will be stressful enough I think for you so as long as they know how you do things I wouldn't worry about going out of your way to make things easier for them as they will muddle through to find what suits them. Like we have to. When DD1 went to the CM she did all kinds of things she wouldn't do for me. They'e funny like that.

MissMummy1 Wed 07-Aug-13 17:35:32

Eeeep literally hopping from foot to foot with excitement here!!! Will (hopefully) be back with news later grin

MissMummy1 Wed 07-Aug-13 17:36:33

Oh and ta very much for carseat advice vq - I was worried I was doing it all wrong!

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 17:43:16

How exciting mm!

That was me PR. It is a precaution only. Obviously of you have über anaphylaxis or something you certainly wouldn't take the risk. I have been buying p the mini breadsticks from sainsbury's as they are perfect but do warn about manufacturing methods.

It felt good Vq. It was 45 minutes of getting logged on, checking this that and the other that I won't need to Do on Monday when everyone is busier and everything g takes longer. The chocs were a nice surprise as well.

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 18:36:20

MM this better be fucking good!

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 18:36:31


PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 18:50:20

Mwah ha ha ha ha. I've just been reading some legal stuff about that issue I've been having. Will put on fb later. But mwah ha ha ha ha!!!!!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 18:51:03

And yes mm it had better be good.

PurplePidjin Wed 07-Aug-13 18:58:39

I had to explain to a friend yesterday about how our other friend's twins aren't identical. She actually asked, and didn't notice the barely suppressed laughter from a couple of us. She clearly never watches CSI and i should learn to keep my fat gob shut

Oh, they're boy-girl twins, btw hmm

Arf to the boy-girl identical twins grin

detective could O have ready brek?

Just found out the company I work for is in takeover talks with a big German pharma company. Hopefully shouldn't mean any change to our jobs though

KatieLily12 Wed 07-Aug-13 19:22:22

Woefully behind already but just popping in to say hi after bumping in to Crisps on another thread (and being v amused by seeing her there defending me!)

Hello all! Hope you're all surviving x

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 19:27:25

Fuck yeah katie!

KatieLily12 Wed 07-Aug-13 19:28:09

Hahahahaha I wa highly amused

Sarcasm is lost on some people eh?

PurplePidjin Wed 07-Aug-13 19:29:08

Ooh, linkie Katie, I fancy a bit of a barney grin

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 19:30:26

This better be good MM grin

I might have cute guy news later. Might.

Lily311 Wed 07-Aug-13 19:32:29

chasing, mm, pr stop teasing, start typing!

StuntNun Wed 07-Aug-13 19:38:29

Wot Lily said. We're all in suspense here.

Pikz Wed 07-Aug-13 19:42:46

Seriously I'm very bored in holland. Dp out with his team and L asleep so am in bed and out of lives on candy crush so get typing!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 19:44:53

Where are you mm . Come. On.

What chasing did you leave him your number? Have I missed something?

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 19:45:47

It was ages ago. Someone was being a moose so I battered her with the quiche fish.

Where the feck is Mm? Shall I go round her house and poke her with a stick.

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 19:46:36

After I chickened out of number giving I turned to facebook. And sent him a message. Nothing more to tell yet....

Lily311 Wed 07-Aug-13 19:47:36

How did you find him on Facebook?

BigPigLittlePig Wed 07-Aug-13 19:48:07

Jeepers guys, you're leaving us hanging tonight!

What a nightmare, bollocking cunty arsey twattish day. Busy doesn't sum it up. I didn't stop all bloody day, was late home so have barely seen F, and all I had to eat since breakfast was 3 quality street. And a patient died. Tomorrow had better be better.


F5 F5 F5....grin

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 19:49:35

I belong to an MK group where people post shout outs etc. I posted asking if anyone knew him - he replied...

KatieLily12 Wed 07-Aug-13 19:52:48

Pass was very polite. I was a tad withering,

What's the latest on sleep then? Currently trying self settling with zero success. Hurrah!

Please god say its not only me

Lily311 Wed 07-Aug-13 19:58:31

Great news chasing, keeping my fingers cross while pressing f5.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 07-Aug-13 20:00:12

F5 F5....

Come the fuck on guys!

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 20:04:23

Not just you katie.

Hang on.

I will be back properly in a bit.

KatieLily12 Wed 07-Aug-13 20:04:26


I appear to have ambled in to a frenzy.....

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 20:13:41

missmummy has promised is some amazing news this evening.

chasing is batting her eyelashes at a hot guy in boots.

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 20:15:20

Oh. And BP that sounds awful. brew or wine?

BigPigLittlePig Wed 07-Aug-13 20:17:56

Irish coffee pass? Best of both worlds? It's always hideous on the first Wednesday of August, this year was particularly bad. I am thankful (prematurely I know) that I will never ever have to do a "first ever day of being a doctor" ever again.

C'mooooooooon MM!

KatieLily12 Wed 07-Aug-13 20:22:37


(Settles in for news)

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 20:24:38

Aaaah BP! Fingers crossed for good health for everyone until, ooo, November.

Puts my back to work worries into perspective

YellowWellies Wed 07-Aug-13 20:25:39

Reminds self never (where avoidable!) to be in hospital the first Wednesday in August!!!

I know what MM's surprise is nyah nyah nyaaa na na wink

Katie Lily lovely to see you! J is OK self settling at night but at nap time - not of late ever other than in a blue moon!. Apparently he needs a bosom for a pillow (as the song goes... showing my age).

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 20:25:49

<grabs car keys and a big pointy stick>

I'm a comin MM!

PurplePidjin Wed 07-Aug-13 20:27:00

BP winebrewwine

Ooh, Chasing!! Brave!!

Come on peeps, i wanted an early night hmm

Successful night weaning fucked up by teefs here, Katie but I'm ever hopeful between the yawns...

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 20:27:51

P cannot self settle but now settles to sleep in my arms with a bit of face stroking and a story. Not ideal but meh. I won't be rocking her to sleep at 18 so whatevs

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 20:29:04

I am veeeery excited by chasing hunting down her man. That is so awesome! I'll bet he is all blush grin blush

BigPigLittlePig Wed 07-Aug-13 20:30:14

<imagines 18yr old P returning from a night out to snuggle into bosom>

This had better be good.

KatieLily12 Wed 07-Aug-13 20:30:33

(Hums cornershop tune)

She's now in a cot which is amazing but will not fall asleep solo. She doesn't feed to sleep or need rocking etc but likes a cuddle. Fine. Except she's started trying to crawl off or not want to be pinned in when she's not ready to drop off quite yet. If I put her down though she just plays then meltsdown when she eventually notices she's exhausted.

I don't want her to cry but I don't want to pin her down either??? I'm also working a little now so need naps and evenings to write and edit.

Is all the news man related? How exciting.

fruitpastilles Wed 07-Aug-13 20:31:28

Oooh chasing well done you! Flirting is the way forward, always lifts your spirits I think! Let us know when he replies.

mm huuuuuurrrry up grin

Kyz Wed 07-Aug-13 20:33:17

Evening all, what've I missed? <reads> Starting where I left off as always smile

Det I might try a bit of ham then, wouldn't give it often cos of salt content - what kind of small are we talking? You know how I worry and need everything literally spelling out for me blush

hope you enjoyed the chocolates pass and the time catching up with work related things.

fatima I can imagine it being a bit tricky, but it sounds like she's getting used to not bf'ing in the day doesn't it.

That's it now det you won't shut him up now he's started!

vq glad you're enjoying the peace and quiet smile

woohoo stunt that's great smile I am not looking forward to e standing after him twatting his head earlier the one time he's pulled himself up!

det I'd stick with the two naps I think - well i'd have to for e because he'd full on meltdown at even the thought of just one I reckon! I think it's probably developmental or at least I hope it is cos E is fighting naps atm! I'd also see if they work out their own ways to get him to sleep - perhaps tell them that you resort to the pram if he won't go off, maybe? as a kind of failsafe?

nah sophia that sounds fairynuff to me!

i've only tried e with crumpets once, he seemed confused and didn't eat any. I have some, maybe he could try some for breakfast tomorrow. I am a bit less bothered about spooning something into him at breakfast cos he doesn't really eat much anyway. He will eat ek baby brekkie pouches, or organix fruit pots or yoghurts. Do I go with this and try weetabix etc every few days or do I keep giving him 'proper' breakfast in the hope he gives up wanting yoghurts/ek brekkie etc?

e loved breadsticks when he had them, but i've never let him actually eat one yet. He's not had them for ages though tbf. when he did i just let him suck the hummus off them and took them off him if they broke blush I had visions of one getting perfectly lodged in his throat.

hey katie! Sleepwise we've always had it pretty damn good here but most recently he has learned to move and is struggling to self settle and keeps waking early in the morning. I am crossing everyfuckingthing that he goes back to his 12 hourly night stints and lovely 'pop him down and walk away' naps!

ooh lookit you all with your exciting lives and suspense!!!! smile

aw bplp I bet it doesn't get any easier losing patients sad hugs

oh c'mon guyyyys with your brill news... spill already!!!

MissMummy1 Wed 07-Aug-13 20:38:26

I am here! Everything finalised - will post a picture of my exciting news when I get home grin grin grin grin

Kyz Wed 07-Aug-13 20:39:35

forgot to say, one of my best friends and his new gf came round earlier to visit and for various reasons i've not seen him in months and he's not seen e for ages either, and e was such a good boy smile tea time wasn't even that difficult considering it had lumps of steak in it, was really proud of him. This has resulted in a broody kyz which will be gone as quickly as it came when he has me up early in the morning again

Lily311 Wed 07-Aug-13 20:40:11

You better be at home soon...

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 20:41:14

piggy of course I had forgotten. It's the day that the new graduates get unleashed on patients day isn't it. Erm, you're in the south right? A friend of mine just graduated and is in a place beginning with p and ending in mouth... Pm if you're in the same place so you can help her. She did declare on fb that there were no deaths today in her care. <shivers> at idea of being ill in August.

Ok I will put my news on fb in a bit. It's just legal bs, but VERY nice to hear.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 20:42:50

chasing you ROCK. Nothing to lose.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 07-Aug-13 20:48:42

Sadly PR that is not my stomping ground.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 20:55:48

Shame. She's lovely. Went thru school with her then at about 25 she switched course and mature studented through med school. Like my little bro is now. Just finished pre med and will start year one in a few weeks. He'll be 27 this year!

Kyz Wed 07-Aug-13 20:56:05

the suspense is killing me!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 20:56:30


Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 21:06:53

I am now flicking between fb and MN like a loon. Hurry up I have to go to the airport in 20 mins to get big boys.

Can nt wait to see them.

Kyz Wed 07-Aug-13 21:08:23

Whilst I wait, i am looking at cloth nappies. Is one of the Bamboo nappy kit 20's enough, from the little lamb website? or would I need more than that? it's this kit....


Still trying to convince dp who insists it's hard enough changing a normal nappy when e spins over and fucks off the way he does!

Kyz Wed 07-Aug-13 21:08:39

me too sophia!!!!

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 21:08:52

FFS! I want to go to bed! First time in months J decides to go to sleep at a decent hour and I am up waiting on fucking news from MM!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 21:10:12

O does the same kyz is highly irritating. Impossible to change a nappy. All of mine have done it except DD2, who was and is a very very good girl, but never tidies up and gets away with it. By smiling and not making a fuss about it!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 21:10:37


TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 21:11:32

My f5 button has worn down. It now says l- grin

Chasing grin grin grin grin grin How lucky was that?! Much easier way of doing to too!! grin

I need to know more! What did you say?! What did he say?! C'mon!!!


ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 21:11:38

Kyz do not buy any nappies until you have talked it over in detail with either PP or myself or one of the other cloth users. £180 is a lot to spend, and if you are sure you want LL, like their page on FB and buy when they have an offer. I bought 10 LL bamboo for £30 so do not pay that price please. Also the wraps are shite. I should be free tomorrow to pm you with my thoughts.

ChasingDaisy Wed 07-Aug-13 21:11:42

I'm guessing puppy!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 21:12:35

I think puppy too.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 21:12:47

Or house.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 21:12:57

New shoes?

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 21:14:13

Oh. I am going puppy. Fo sho

Passmethecrisps Wed 07-Aug-13 21:14:31

Puppy with shoes

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 21:14:38

Those who struggle with nappy changes, make sure you have everything laid out first, including several wipes already out of the packet and the bag open. I find the best thing to occupy him is another clean nappy as that is what he wants, and turn the TV off so there is nothing to distract him. I also find a sibling helps to hold his puddies and entertain his top end.

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 21:15:30

A new job in a puppy shoe shop in Edinburgh.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 07-Aug-13 21:16:24

On the suubject of animals, I am informed that today, pussypig caught and ate a slow worm <boak>

PurplePidjin Wed 07-Aug-13 21:16:52

Bamboo fitteds do us 4-5 hours, so 20 would be nearly a week's worth! 2 parters are more faff to change which is why i tend to use them for nights. Have a look at AIOs or pockets, they go on just like sposies and dry faster.

I have 15 AIOs and 4 night nappies and wash every third day smile

PurplePidjin Wed 07-Aug-13 21:18:54

PS vdp manages fine even with an unreliable left arm hmm

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 21:18:56


ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 21:20:37

MM has probably got stage fright now.

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 21:22:02

MM has posted on FB

Kyz Wed 07-Aug-13 21:24:54

That would be great vq thankyou smile I just thought it looked like you got alot, I will look at their fb page and pp I clearly need to have a look at the other nappies as it took me ages to work out what you meant by AIO! I shall tell dp he has no excuse then pp!

VQ I do try to do that, I ask someone to entertain the top end if someone is about, or I give him a clean nappy or his trousers as he wants something to play with stuff in his mouth! I definitely need to get into the habit of checking his wipes before starting a nappy change as I always seem to be at the end of a bloody packet!

PurplePidjin Wed 07-Aug-13 21:25:24


Start here, and try a few. Different brands suit different babies, bit like shoes, so don't buy an expensive kit without trying that type first.

Kyz Wed 07-Aug-13 21:34:03

cheers pp smile

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 21:34:25

I have at least five wipes opened and separated. More often than not most get put back, but sometimes you need more. I am quite glad he is on gaviscon as it makes his poos easier to manage.

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 21:35:35

With bamboo you would need about 20 of the fuckers as they take so long to dry.

I am a pocket girl grin

ValiumQueen Wed 07-Aug-13 21:36:52

Must sleep.

Night night smile

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 21:39:04

Sup sophia?!

Kyz Wed 07-Aug-13 21:44:48

off to bed too, night night! Thanks for the nappy advice smile

hope all is well sophia smile

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 21:48:16

O was a right PITA to put to sleep tonight.

I also have the worlds most useless black out blind.

So shit, that I am taking it down and taking it back to fucking Argos. Pile of crap.

It lets in the same amount of light that was there before it was up. What's the point in that? Also. It doesn't roll up or down.


PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 22:15:44

vq I get nappies prepared and DD1 or DH in sition to distract from the change.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 22:16:26


If neither of them are available the remote control gets it.

MissMummy1 Wed 07-Aug-13 22:36:54

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 22:53:39

I just had a nosy at your eBay items MM. I got to the bottom of the page, and roared with laughter!

The 'sponsored links' are: www.bondara.co.uk/male-performance-sleeve-bundle www.bondara.co.uk/bargain-hen-night-bundle and www.bondara.co.uk/ultimate-hen-night-bundle.

I think I want a dick stick! grin grin grin

MissMummy1 Wed 07-Aug-13 22:56:44

Did you see the bastard negative feedback some moose left me? Rage!!

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 22:57:24

No, but I may now have to look!!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 07-Aug-13 23:00:07

I am fine. I was urghing at the sloe worm. grin

Just went and got my boys back from the airport, feel very happy and relaxed and knackered.

TheDetective Wed 07-Aug-13 23:00:36

hmm So she buys a black shirt for 99p, and complains about hair and fluff? Does she realise that black stuff tends to do that?!

Hasn't she heard of sellotape?!

MissMummy1 Wed 07-Aug-13 23:06:48

The top was immaculate. I knew she was a nightmare right from the start, took a week to pay then asked for it to be sent first class - which like a mug I did. Weirdo.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 07-Aug-13 23:12:15

And this is why I don't do ebay.

<nosey> what was deleted?

PurplePidjin Thu 08-Aug-13 04:49:45

Yeah what got deleted?

R slept 7:15-3:45 but is being a nightmare to get back down. He's had calpol and water and is fine when sleeping on me but i want my bed!!

Lily311 Thu 08-Aug-13 05:13:54

kyz you really need to try different ones, I hated the little lamb ones as they took days to dry out. Same as lollipop bamboo. I also tried mothereas and one life nappies but didn't like the 2 part system, it made her look very bulky. i found bumgenius great but i wouldn't pay the price. I love lollipop pop'n'gro pocket ones and also eBay cheapie pocket ones, I now have over 20 and wash every 3rd/4th day. You need a minimum of 13 to last you for 2 days and microfibre inserts dry out within hours. With lollipop you can get seconds on eBay for half the price or check their websites as they often do promotions. eBay cheapie one, I use the seller yellowbloom, can highly recommend, the nappies cost £3-£4 each. Try Velcro and poppers, minky and printed, I like all but some have preferences.

Good night here, she is still asleep.

Pikz Thu 08-Aug-13 06:35:13

I hate teeth and 9 month growth spurt and massive developmental leap all in one. Up every 45mins from 12-6. Am dead on my feet hmm

TheDetective Thu 08-Aug-13 06:55:12

It was MM's eBay link?!

I'm feeling watched. hmm

O did 8-6.30. Woke me up shouting bababa louder and louder! grin

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 07:07:26

Morning all, 7-6:50 here smile woo! Will catch up soon, looks like a quiet night though which I hope means good nights!

StuntNun Thu 08-Aug-13 07:22:11

I wish it was still sweary Wednesday cos we had an awful night. I don't know whether it's teef or sleep regression but J was very whimpery yesterday evening. I ended up taking the mattress out of the cot and sleeping on it with J while fucking DH had the kingsize bed to himself. He finally settled at 1:45 and went back into his cot but there were a couple more wakenings after 4. Honestly it's bad enough when J has a bad night but DH makes everything much worse. He was trying to comfort J but he was holding him rigidly in his arms so he was immobilised and shaking him up and down. It doesn't look very comforting but he always does it. Then he was going to take J downstairs and co-sleep on the sofa with him. I mean wtaf?

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 07:35:37

detective ive found the gro blind really good, coupled with rhe blackout curtains it is pitch black if I so wish. I love it, but don't have it that dark because I don't want him to only sleep in proper darkness. glad I got it though, maybe one would work for you/o?

bet you're chuffed to have them back sophia

I am going to see if I can try different ones lily the link pp sent me was to a website where you can try different nappies. I'm hoping to go as cheap as I can without compromising on quality, but dp said he thought it would cost more after I showed him the set for £180 so if I sort it for cheaper he'd be pleased! I just though the set looked good as it has the bucket thingy etc and it means idiots like me can't forget something important!

aw pikz brew to you and others who had a bad one last night sad

hmm stunt I bet reasoning with him in the silly hours isn't fun either. sounds like a proper shit night sad I don't suppose j finds that thing your dh does very comforting at all :/

hmmm.... I smell a shitty nappy.... it wasn't smelly 10 mins ago when I fed him his bottle! I shall go fix this!

which reminds me, re cloth nappies, do you use them at night too?

ditsygem Thu 08-Aug-13 07:42:08

I had all the best intentions of using cloth nappies when I had F, but then found the first few months generally so hard that I completely forgot to think about it again!
stunt I feel for you, that does sound like a crappy night.
F was actually quite good last night, well slept to 5.30am when he was standing in his cot so I got him up for the day (he usually wakes at 6.20ish) and took him to my room as I always do to give him his first bottle before I get up and shower etc. He downed his bottle at 6am and fell back asleep for 40 minutes in my bed! Really hoping he didn't think it as a night waking and that he can get that treatment anytime he likes in the night - I am always so strict on not leaving the nursery with him during the night!
chasing whats the cute guy news this morn? any messaging overnight?

Jims Thu 08-Aug-13 07:53:41

Who needs an alarm clock for work with a baby in the house? Although to be fair it was f's best night ever waking up for his morning feed at 5.30. Couldn't be bothered to go back to bed for 20 mins after so that was me then. Must learn to go to bed earlier. So now i'm on tge train to work wondering if my line manager wil be in so that i can actually get into the new (to me) office!

fatima my dh works for a german pharma company in didcot. He's now on extended paternity leave - they're reasonably family friendly if the same one.

det F also gets rubbish at sleeping when developmentally up to stuff. It's now that my DS1 started walking and your O seems similar...!! smile

Hurrah for all men news. Not hurrah for bplp's day at work
Or rubbish nights stunt

Jims Thu 08-Aug-13 07:57:17

Am also wondering how to start a campaign for part-time season tickets for train travel for part-timers. Am outraged by chunk of salary that goes on travel i don't use. Maybe mumsnet wpuld be a good place to start? Fgw replied on twitter said 'there isn't the demand...'!

TheDetective Thu 08-Aug-13 08:00:16

Gah fuck. No walking. Not yet!

Luckily I don't think it will be just yet - he's not got the balance on two feet for more than a second or two! Thank fuck!

Though I can't remember how long that all takes to learn. I seem to remember watching babies learn to stand but then it takes a few weeks to walk after that? Yes?

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 08:08:38

Whoever suggested crumpet, thanks smile e is nomming one, at breakfast time! Post more later am typing without looking much so can keep eye on him so dknt want to post much

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 08:17:16

Feeling stressed this morning. O won't eat any breakfast and has whinged non stop since 6.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 08:19:03

Morning all smile

Sorry for those with shitty nights and shitty DHs.

Stunt my SIL tried to settle my first by doing just that and she vommed all over her. She has not held a baby

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 08:19:19

detective there were 5 months between DD1 standing holding on to something and walking in her own.

Maybe MNHQ read our threads as they are so fascinating and they want to pick up tips on how to be fab parents...

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 08:20:29

Fucking app!

She has not held a baby of mine since. Not so easy when it is their daddy though.

J slept 7.30 to 7.45 which is the best ever. He also went into cot awake.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 08:22:14

Could be PR.

Put a link on FB MM.

I am amazed the N word was not deleted. Perhaps it was because it was crossed out.

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 08:22:42

And I'm having my first ever filling later. Happy fucking Thursday.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 08:24:25

My go to nappy is an eBay cheapie too. I will message you today Kyz. With just one baby here I am itching to use cloth again. I think bamboo at night only personally as they are bulky but very absorbent. Or a sposie. Many folk use a mix.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 08:24:42

Ugh the PM is on BBC Breakfast and I can't find the fucking remote to get his smugarse face off the screen.

I feel sick.

Anyway, Thankful Thursday. I'm thankful for a break in the heatwave, for my lovely DH, for sleeping pills, for the legal system and for Twixes.

And for the fact that they've finished talking to the unelected Prime Minister. Ugh. <shudders>

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 08:26:16

vq It was in the context of the conversation and wasn't meant to offend I'd guess. Did you enjoy an evening on your own? Well, with J.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 08:34:41

J was asleep so early and I had every intention of going to bed early, but wanted to hear MMs news. I am clearly too nosy for my own good. And then I got worried and found it hard to sleep. Nodded off around 12.30 but had to put my phone on the landing as I wanted to check FB constantly.

It is lovely being on my own with J but would not like it more than a couple of days.

They will be in BLS tonight wink

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 08:42:44

Lovely, I'm sure those that live in BLS will be pleased to see them smile

DD1 was laughing in her sleep at one point during the night. It's the first time ever in ages that I have been glad to be co-sleeping. It was so cute.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 08:44:42


StuntNun Thu 08-Aug-13 09:18:30

Aaaaarghh! Pooplosion followed by wee mid-nappy change. confused I ended up putting J in the bath and running the shower over him (no hot water for a bath). He didn't know what was going on.

fruitpastilles Thu 08-Aug-13 09:28:57

Morning! These bloody teefs want to hurry up, last night wasn't as bad as the night before but still bad enough. stunt join me for a brewbrew

chasing I had my first filling a couple of months ago, well I had 2, 1 on either side, it wasn't as bad as I was expecting it to be to be honest. So hopefully it won't be for you either. Any messages off the cute guy?

kyz yay for crumpets. I've never tried S with a crumpet, I have some so I'll give her one tomorrow and see how she goes.

fruitpastilles Thu 08-Aug-13 09:29:38

Oh forgot to say, that does sound cute pr smile

fruitpastilles Thu 08-Aug-13 09:31:38

We are finally getting S's room decorated, woo yes I know it's a bit late! I can't wait until it's done, I'm also quite looking forward to having her cot in our room while its being done, especially while she is having these bad nights, I'm lazy haha! She hasn't been in our room since she was 10 weeks so I think it'll be nice, am I mad haha

Passmethecrisps Thu 08-Aug-13 09:36:15

Good morning!

Mid-nappy change wees are a pain in the ass. Thankfully p goes red in the face when she wees so you can usually preempt the actual weeing

Interesting night here. P did not wake up once. Not one single dummy insertion. I woke with a jump at 5:30 and, obviously, thought she was dead. I persuaded myself not to go barging into her room and dozed off again only to have an intense anxiety dream all set to the soundtrack of Susan's house by the Eels.

VQ you asked about the thesis progress. All I can say is "fine!" In a sort of clipped and thin lipped fashion grin My MIL says that meaning 'fucked up, intense, neurotic and emotional' so it fits beautifully! It would be ok if I could get the beggar to go to work. He hangs around here for ages in the morning then eventually goes for a shower. But after 20 minutes I realise he isn't actually in the shower yet but that 20 minutes was a poo. Then he wander down another 20 minutes later in just his boxers and bimbles about a bit. Back off upstairs for another 10 minutes then, just then, he might be ready.

This morning he asked how on earth we would manage next week. I had to bite my tongue.

Just as well I think he is awesome as I could ring his wee neck sometimes. He just likes hanging around with us that's the problem.

It will get done. It will get done.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 09:44:42

pass if that continues it'll make potty training much easier. I think it is the Chinese that potty train at 9 months. I'll have to dig out the article about it. Anyone ready? grin

Passmethecrisps Thu 08-Aug-13 09:50:33

Oh yeah PR what is that thing called where people never use nappies? I just imagine spending all my time staring intently into P's face poised to grab her and fling her over a potty

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 09:55:58

I think in the old days they trained earlier than now because nappies were such a pita to wash. My MIL started mentioning it every conversation from the day DD1 turned one. She even threatened to potty train her herself when she was up last year while I was in hospial having LO. Kept going on and ON about it I had to be very, erm, clear. And DH was also very, erm, clear. And she never mentioned it again.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 09:56:16

What's that thing called? Madness.

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 09:59:31

Quick update. Cute fb guy was a case of mistaken identity. But am currently feeding O outside boots having given my number to a member of staff to pass on. It is his day off today.

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 10:03:54

I had every intention of using cloth too ditsy but like you I found the first few months too difficult to even think about cloth and then completely forgot, and re-remembered when e got to 6 months but thought it too late/not worth bothering by then!

Ahhh chasing could it be the pesky teef again? Hope it goes ok for you at the dentist too smile

Woohoo vq that's a sleep and a half! Well done j smile

pr that sounds really cute smile

Ooh fruit how are you decorating it?

Go chasing!!!

Potty training talk, have I missed something? Feel like I've missed something!

fruitpastilles Thu 08-Aug-13 10:08:58

kyz errrrm no idea haha, ideas welcome! I've seen a few wallpapers I like, 1 that I love but it's a bit busy to do the whole room in so might just do 1 wall in it, if that's the one I go for. We've got a carpenter coming in to build shelving/storage units in the alcoves to make use of them, and because I couldn't find a bookcase to fit when we went to ikea.
I just can't wait for it all to be done and to have a nice place for her to sleep/play smile

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 10:10:12

Elimination communication.

Passmethecrisps Thu 08-Aug-13 10:13:34

That's the one VQ!

PurplePidjin Thu 08-Aug-13 10:29:07

There are mad people that refuse to use nappies then ones like my mum/gran etc that start holding the baby over the potty every time they change a nappy...

R's new things are playing peepbo - hiding his head behind my arm and popping up grinning - and the word Mumum.

He slept 7:15-3:45 then 5:10-6:30 in the end. Better, but...

PurplePidjin Thu 08-Aug-13 10:40:20

Oh, and nappy costs...

Pack of sposies for a fiver lasts 3-4 days. So, £10 per week. My whole stash cost about £200 (generous estimate) not including the ones I've sold. So i had my money back in 20 weeks or so.

I do two extra loads of washing per week - 60* wash plus 2 extra rinses - and line dry.

R just tried to pull up on his walker - push along type - and went splat over on his back from sitting! He's fine, playing now, but should i get rid of it? I'm already paranoid about him pulling the dj booth over and thinking of selling it...

YellowWellies Thu 08-Aug-13 10:46:26

I remember when travelling in Western China on the silk road (wah wanderlust reminiscing envy envy envy envy ) seeing lots of toddlers in this wee yurt encampment running around with the bottoms cut out of their trousers. Thing is we were halfway up the Tibetan plateau so their wee bums were bright red with exposure / sun / windburn! When I got altitude sickness I realised I could have done with a pair of bumless pants too grin grin grin grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 10:53:06

envy of yw's travelling past. I wasted my 20s with twats and didn't travel much at all. Except with the twats.

I hope to be healthy and wealthy enough in the future to put my regrets to sleep. Will have to go to Tahiti at some point, DH wants to be scattered there. sad

Lily311 Thu 08-Aug-13 11:01:35

kyz you don't need a set, buy the bucket separately in the corner shop, just make sure it has a lid. Also get a mesh on eBay, I bought mine for £1 so you don't need to touch the nappies when loading them in the washing machine. I also sold tins of nappies, got back the money for the whole set really.

I'm grateful for my amazing siblings, companies who deliver to Hungary, calpol and my lovely O.

chasing give him calpol. No need to suffer for either of you.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 11:06:33

PP that is how they learn. He will fall many many times. The DJ booth may well be a liability now. I am guessing he is a bit beyond it now too. We gave ours away as I was worried J would tip it over. Make sure book cases and TV and cabinets are secured to the wall. Or get a play pen.

We will get the play pen out today as he has mastered speed rolling and can get to the plug sockets in seconds no matter what way I point him.

Off to baby clinic today to have his wee chest listened to. Very wheezy again since last evening.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 11:09:01

I am thankful my boy slept last night and that my girls are having a lovely time on holiday.

I am thankful for some peace and quiet. I am really benefiting from it.

I am thankful for antidepressants that work. I am thankful for the quiche.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 11:10:08

I have sent you a couple of messages Kyz.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 11:19:37

I have sent you a message too PR. I am not very pleased with MN messages at the moment. Very unreliable IMO.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 11:26:36

I get an email through when they arrive - maybe you can set it up to do that?

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 08-Aug-13 11:30:55

Feeling stressed can I just have a little rant. Thank you.

I am having the girls at my dads next week because all the beds are down at ours.

Their dad is demanding I pick them up in the morning.

My boys are not in nursery on a Monday

DH should be at work

The girls are two hours away

My dad and my step mum have a hospital appointment in the afternoon so can't get the girls for me

DH doesn't want to spend the money on nursery on Monday as they leave on Thursday

I have said I will take the boys with me but icey reception from step mother

Feel like no one sees how difficult it is for me to juggle everyone and make everyone happy.

Someone has to make a compramise but who should it be.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 11:40:50

We see how difficult it is for you Sophia. Not that it helps. I would rather have the boys in nursery an extra day as I would prefer they were not travelling all day.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 11:41:43

No advice sophia but that sounds very stressful flowers

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 11:43:55

I need to check my emails more often I think PR. My old phone beeped with each email but my new one doesn't. Yet.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 08-Aug-13 12:11:06

Thanks. vq 'twas virtual understanding I needed. Unless DH can be at home easily dad has smoothed the waters and I will have all 4 at dads till Wednesday then the boys will come back for a couple of days in nursery before they leave.

I just had a meltdown in office.

Most probably a build up of everything just poured out.

I will feel better once I have had a hug from DH.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 12:17:30

Understandable Sophia. It is a big thing moving let alone with 4 kids to consider.

Pikz Thu 08-Aug-13 12:29:41

Sophia I for one think you are legendary for what you are doing.

Wondering how I'm going to make it to 7pm on the little sleep I've had.

Lo seems much improved thank god.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 12:39:09

Can I share something really silly but which has made me ridiculously happy? I have been wanting to batch cook in preparation for my rtw but somehow have lost loads of tupperware. I have been searching and searching for a specific type I want, but everything comes in expensive mixed batches with some stupidly small ones, of which I have a large unused colleaction anyway. In the end I came across a trade supplier online and have been able to buy a batch of 30 identically sized and dimensioned freezable dishwasher proof food containers. They arrived this morning and that, couple with izzy's news, has put me in an incredibly good mood. I am going to be able to batch cook 30 lovely meals, and buy some more slightly larger ones too, because they are so excellent.

How sad am I? Very, I know. I think though that some of you secretly will understand grin

PurplePidjin Thu 08-Aug-13 12:40:29

<<<hug>>> brew for Sophia. Also apple lattice i bought when i was at the bakers earlier

I'd get it if he splatted from eg the sofa, but from a toy designed specifically for babies learning to walk? Really?

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 12:41:33

Filling done. Ouch. Plus I had a reaction to the adrenaline in the injection. I am to do nothing for the rest of the day. Does someone want to tell Oscar that?

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 08-Aug-13 12:44:47

Thanks pr and pp. Apple lattice. Yum yum yummy.

pr I join you in your excitement. What are you batch cooking, have you decided?

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 12:47:35

I must admit I did not keep the walker for DD2 as DD1 used to face plant constantly. She used a pram. Might get it out for J.

I understand PR. all the same size? Wow! I have Pyrex ones but they cost a fortune. Some are older than MM though.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Thu 08-Aug-13 12:54:27

sophia hugs, you are managing so well with so much stress.

chasing very brave, I am impressed.

I have nothing interesting to say. I'm still really busy at work but slightly less manic. DS still has a cough. I've knocked the inhaler on the head as it just made things worse. Waiting for paeds apt. My toe problems have come back and I need to do something about it because I can barely walk at the moment. But am too fucking busy to go to the dr. I am also in serious denial about the whole mountain climbing thing next month. After a flurry of effort early in the summer, I've done no prep for about a month, remain seriously unfit and weigh nearly 20 stone. How the fuck am I going to get my fat arse up a fucking mountain?

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 12:54:46

PR I love Tupperware! It is on my to buy list. I want to get all different sizes.

Pikz Thu 08-Aug-13 12:58:18

Pr I get it totally!! List of what your cooking please!!!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 13:05:50

These were 15€ for 30. And stack perfectly. Going to order more. I'm going to do pasta sauces, curries, chilli, ratatouille, maybe a soup or two, fish cakes (whch won't need the tubs but anyway) various pie fillings (will need the larger tubs for that so must order them) , beef bourgignonne and other casserole type things. Obviously not all today, but as of yesterday I will just be making double of everything and freezing what's left, then on days I don't have to cook I will make something for the freezer. After years without a decent sized freezer I now have two, and love them very much. I dream of the day I will own and fill a huge chest freezer. When I go to my mum's I spend lots of time going through the freezer and am envy

Once this month's pay has gone through I am going to place orders with the local beef farmer and the local pig farmer. They do huge batches of various cuts of meat and the €/kg is far cheaper than buying it in the shops.

Wow I really am sad.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 13:18:06

This afternoon I am making ratatouille. Enough to eat with lamb chops tonight, baked fish tomorrow plus for two more meals to go in the freezer. Yum.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 14:02:53

Nothing sad about that PR. smile

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 14:02:54

I want to come and live with PR.

Just met an 18 week old who weighs the same as O shock

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 08-Aug-13 14:04:33

Marking place. Have shit loads to catch up on so will read through thread properly and post tonight. Laterz.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 14:05:25

I mean the freezer envy is sad, not the yummy meat <carnivore emoticon>

ditsygem Thu 08-Aug-13 14:30:19

Just had to share that my baby who has always been rocked to sleep by me standing up, sometimes taking 20 mins and still some crying - has gone down for his last 3 naps just with me sat down cuddling him and a little bit of jiggling, and this afternoon he didn't even cry at all, not one bit! I am so excited by this (as he weighs 23lbs and I was wondering how my back was going to cope as he got bigger!) it gives me hope that one day he will actually go to sleep on his own!
That's all - just had to share smile

TheDetective Thu 08-Aug-13 14:40:34

envy Ditsy I need to work on that hmm. I've just rocked O in the pram as I want to go out.

Speaking of the pram. I feel like a MASSIVE bitch. sad

DP is in work today. Working 9.30-7. Last night he offered to get up with O in the night - and get up with him in the morning. I said no, you are at work all day. He said he didn't mind because he thought a day looking after O was harder.

But not only does he have to work all day today, as soon as he gets home I'll be running out the door to go to SW. He will then have to do O's bedtime literally as he walks in. Then he will have to do dinner, bottles, washing up etc. Plus he took DS1 to the holiday club before work, and got him organised to leave the house this morning.

So I feel really really really bad that when I discovered he hadn't done the one thing I had asked (take the pram out his car) I had a proper moan at him, and made him feel guilty. blush

So guilty that while I was sat in baby group, he ran in, told me the pram was at home, kissed me, and ran back out. He'd used his 1 hour break to do the 10-15 min walk to his car, drove home, dropped it off, came to find me, and then went back to work, doing the 10-15 min walk back to work. I am not sure if he had any lunch.

So now I feel very bad. I could have managed without the pram. But I might have made out to him that I couldn't. blush

<Slaps self>

GTbaby Thu 08-Aug-13 14:51:54

Det. We can all have moany days. Don't feel bad x
However in kiddicare I thought of you. They have baby grows with kinda built in socks, fold over like mitten are. Would solve your fallin down PJs lol. They were £15 each though, which I thought was a lil expensive.

TheDetective Thu 08-Aug-13 14:53:44

Oh that sounds fab... but very expensive shock.

I was toying with the idea of going to kiddicare this afternoon. But am going to mothercare tomorrow, which is next door. So would make more sense to go tomorrow grin.

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 14:58:22

It is normal not to be able to open your mouth wide enough to eat after a filling, yes? confused

That's ace ditsy, I need to work on that before O gets much heavier so it is lovely to hear success stories!

Pikz Thu 08-Aug-13 14:58:24

PR can I fly you over to fill my freezer plllllleeeeeaaaaseeeee envy

TheDetective Thu 08-Aug-13 15:01:04

Chasing I have had a few dental procedures done, and a few times I've not been able to open my mouth wide, it was the local anaesthetic.

I reacted to it too by the way - ended up being given Glucose to drink after I fainted and was shaking.

I haven't reacted since. Was very odd! But sometimes local doesn't numb me well. More than once I've had to go home with a partially numb mouth and no filling done. hmm

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 15:08:29

Freezing tip: if you line your tupperware with freezer bags and fill them then once frozen you just seal and stack, freeing up the tupperware for re-use. And the bag is nice tupperware shaped to easy to label and store tidily.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 15:37:11

Hmm. My mum gave me that tip but I have just seen it on a batch cooking thread I am on. I hope my mum isn't on MN.

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 15:59:15

I had the glucose drink too det. Went in there thinking how bad can it be, I've given birth?! Saying that, I had a similar reaction to the epidural.

StuntNun Thu 08-Aug-13 17:18:28

J has a new noise. I suspect he may be a banshee. hmm

Jims Thu 08-Aug-13 17:32:21

Knackered. And all i did was read in to stuff. And clear my inbox. And smile at lots of people pretending not to be too gutted to be back at work. Although actually it was nice to see some of them again.

Was given a kindle for my birthday for train journeys but have actually just caught up on here instead! Who needs a kindle at the rate you lot chat.

PurplePidjin Thu 08-Aug-13 18:29:51

Screaming in agony all afternoon. Nothing helps - nelsons powders, calgel, orajel, dentinox gel, calpol, amber necklace, cuddles sad

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 18:34:20

sad pidj any idea what is wrong?

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 18:44:45

sad Pidj. Do you think it's teeth? Maybe something cold for him to gum on?

Thank you to whoever suggested calpol on a spoon! It has been a revelation here.

Also, a few ideas for foods for spoon refusers: Scotch pancakes for lunch and stir fry for dinner went down very well with a teething-spoon-refusing Oscar today.

PurplePidjin Thu 08-Aug-13 18:52:55

Is teefs. He even refused cold cucumber which is normally a hit! Yoghurt with fruit puree for tea, although he had a good go at a bit of veggie burger and some cheese.

TheDetective Thu 08-Aug-13 18:59:27

Chasing Do you have the pack of scotch pancakes? Wondering if these are dairy free grin. I love them. I need an excuse to buy some!!

Pidj fuck, poor wee thing. Have you tried anything icey to chew on? That's my only suggestion. Or Ibuprofen?

O has found a love. For In The Night Garden. I am not complaining. It is keeping him entertained. He is sat right next to me on the sofa, like a proper person as DS1 put it! Now I can never ever use my laptop if O is on the sofa with me as he will not stop bashing it. He hasn't noticed it grin.

He is mesmorised. By this and Waybaloo. hmm

Ah well, 30 minutes of TV won't kill him! He's had a busy day!

So, DS1 has been to a new youth club which has opened in the centre of town. It's the biggest one in the country, and is brand new. Has lots going on, and is always full and busy. It has a skate park, badminton courts, a rock climbing wall and all kinds with in it! It's quite amazing really! DS went to the holiday club today (£5 for all day!) and David Cameron turns up to see the place in action. DS has DC's autograph on his arm now... hmm

How do I feel about this? GUTTED! I've missed a heckling opportunity. Can't stand the fuckwit. I wish I had known!! GAH! I asked DS1 if he said anything to him. Nope. I feel I have failed to train him sufficiently now!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 19:10:24

Oh no Detective you could have wiped that disgusting smirk off his face. Ugh. Horrible horrible man. <spits>

And it's never to early to teach your son that his arm needs to be scrubbed clean asap grin though I have to say meeting the PM at his age is pretty cool.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 19:11:18

You need to teach him some choice phrases in case it happens again. Not sweary, but pithy put downs for smug arse politicians.

PurplePidjin Thu 08-Aug-13 19:25:22

He's down now. Fx he stays there for a bit.

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 19:25:26

I'll check det...

Bryzoan Thu 08-Aug-13 19:26:25

Det - probably you will now see ds on the news getting his arm signed. Arm signing sounds one up on baby kissing for the hip and down with it.

I once had a rather unsettling dream about David Cameron. He was very nice in it. Have never seen him in quite the same way since...

Butch - I think I remember you posting about the fingers before? Hoping you get some support and answers soon, and that they are nice answers.

G is teething too. Litle wretch keeps taking chunks out of me. Good job I am so very very patient.

Chasing - glad you are having fun but please take it easy with mr boots - no rushing into anything. Enjoy your space with o for a bit... Please?

And mm I hope your puppy is settling in ok. I think you are quite mad of course, but hope at least you are mad and happy.

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 19:36:23

Don't worry bry I'm not looking to rush into anything. Not looking for a boyfriend, just a flirt really.

Bryzoan Thu 08-Aug-13 19:47:17

That is music to my ears chasing grin enjoy your flirt.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 19:48:43

He's probably quite an interesting person to have a drink or dinner with, if the cameras are off and he's not being a slugarsed PM. In fact my fantasy dinner party would have him and Camilla there, as well as Boris and John Prescott.

YellowWellies Thu 08-Aug-13 19:48:46

Hello all hope everyone's had a lovely day. wine to all Mum's of teething babies. I went round to my sister's and herded the 2 and 4 year old as well as Jonas whilst she had estate agents round to look at the house. I kept them all alive so I feel epic. OK it was only for 2 hours blush smile .

They were playing together properly with a fisher price garage it was so lovely to watch. It's the first time the cousins have really played together. Jonas mostly tried to eat the cars grin but he had so much fun commando crawling round after cars he panned out on my nephew's bed mid toddler riot! envy ha when I think of the darkened room, lullabies and BF needed to get him to nap in the cot at home..... clearly he just needs a big bed, broad daylight and the sound of a dinky car demolition derby....hmm

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 19:49:39

Slugarsed? Smugarsed.

Bryzoan Thu 08-Aug-13 20:01:33

Slugarsed is good too. That does sound a fun dinner party.

Bryzoan Thu 08-Aug-13 20:05:35

Well done wellies. I'll take that wine - thank you.

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 20:14:10

Thanks for the wine YW with my antidepressants and local anaesthetic, one glass should do the trick wink

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 20:19:45

Evening all!

Madly busy today, glad to be sat down now!

Aww pp the peekaboo is very cute, e sometimes does it with a towel or something but not reliably. Definitely sounds like cloth is cheaper, have managed to convince dp to let me try them out and see how we get on.

lily what's a mesh? like a mesh bag thing to put them in?

Glad you got it sorted sophia I don't blame you for being stressed it's really stressful moving house as it is without any added stress

ooh pr that sounds awesome! Also love good tupperware! Excellent tip about the freezing in bags thing too, brilliant. Never would've thought of that, d'oh! And can I come and live with you and eat your foods, pleasings?

argh madame last thing you need for climbing a mountain is poorly toes! Do you think you'll be able to do any prep between now and when you do the mountain climb? Bless you, you sound like such a busy person!

that's brill ditsy smile

det we all have bad days lol, I have felt similarly guilty at similar explosions at dp who often hasn't reeeealllly done much wrong, and is generally pretty good, but just misses really obvious little things that just serve to annoy the fuck out of me.

oh pidj sounds awful sad poor little R sad hope he settles soon - do you have a mesh fruit thing? e likes that with fruit in to nom on when his gums are a bit sore, sounds like R is feeling it a bit more than that though sad

but yw that is pretty epic! I don't reckon I could manage it!

Well today I have mostly been de-fleaing the entire house. Fucking took forever. This morning I found a flea, on E. Was not impressed. Immediately locked stupid fucking dogs out of the house and took E to MILs and washed every scrap of soft furnishing I could and promptly de-flea'd the dogs by comb, shampoo and drops, and sprayed/foggered/hoovered/blitzed the house. There simply cannot be any fucking fleas now. I got enough stuff to do it again in a couple of weeks, has cost a small fortune. They don't normally bloody get fleas! I feel really bad sad E is staying there tonight and I am spraying again and hoovering again before bed and then again in the morning. I have taken down all the curtains, washed all bedding/cushions/anything else that will fit in the washing machine. Phew.

Passmethecrisps Thu 08-Aug-13 20:21:04


Do you know that more people vote in the X Factor than in general elections? So. My proposal is that we have the general election Big Brother style. 6 weeks, every party who can raise a deposit represented and they are on show 24 hours a day. It must be the party leader who is in there and they are allowed one telephone call a day with a party adviser. The contents of the call would be recorded and published. They would have tasks just like the normal BB house including the weekly budget.

So there!

Anyway, back to babeality.

Sounds shitty awful Pp. Poor wee squidge.

I am vair impressed with your batch cooking plans pp. We used to have a mini chest freezer and it was awesome. The one we have now is great but simply doesn't have the space for full on batch cooking.

P had a half day with the CM today. I left her at 12:30 when she was already overtired and hadn't had lunch so I was half expecting to get a call saying I had to go back. Well, she nommed a decent lunch, self-settled for her nap which lasted well over an hour and worked on standing completely unaided with the enthusiastic cheerleading of the other children there. When I arrived at the back of 4 she was pleased to see me but not in a "omg where have you been? Way. She stood and sang stories to the kids and ate an entire peach!

She did miss a whole bottle though. Would you believe me if I said I wasn't worried about it?

Well I am a tiiiiiiny bit but not massively. When I arrived she was perfectly happy and then ate the peach which I presume meant she was peckish. She has had 20oz today so I am sure all will be fine.

She went to sleep looking all happy like she had had a lovely day

YellowWellies Thu 08-Aug-13 20:22:47

The toddler herding did make me hmm hmm hmm about whether to wait a bit longer for a second. My niece is just shy of 2 about the age Jonas would be when no.2 arrives if I get knocked up in October. Bloody hell it's a hard age - mischievous wilful little buggers. When do they start listening to you???? wink

StuntNun Thu 08-Aug-13 20:26:02

YW hahahahahahahaaaa! About 32 I think!

Lily311 Thu 08-Aug-13 20:26:24

Would you buy a second hand bike seat for a baby ? I'm torn whether I should get a new one or used. New is about £80 here. Used is half. Is the same rule apply as for car seats? I will use a bike on a daily basis with O, the most I will cycle is 15 min each way.

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 20:27:57

I am sure she's ok Pass if she's been nomming a little more smile Bless her, sounds like she did brilliantly :D I also like your idea for big brother style elections, brilliant! Though I loathe the usual big brother, I would love that.

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 20:31:00

About 25

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 20:32:26

Aww pass sounds like P had a lovely day smile

Passmethecrisps Thu 08-Aug-13 20:33:00

Wait? You are supposed to start listening to your mum?

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 20:33:03

Lily I would go for second hand. Bike seats do not go through the same extremes of temperature that a car seat does.

PurplePidjin Thu 08-Aug-13 20:34:02

Kyz a big mesh laundry bag. Buy a lidded bin (mine was £4 in Wilko) then use the mesh bag like a bin bag. Stick a sanitary pad to the lid and drop essential oil on (i use olbas) so it smells nice. Remove bag to wash nappies.

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 20:47:00
YellowWellies Thu 08-Aug-13 20:49:38

Yey P for awesome childmindeeing smile

Pass I always rant that you should be allowed to vote in either big brother / xfactor type shit or a general election. Not both blush .

A few weeks ago Daddy was the shizzle as far as Jonas was concerned - am really chuffed that at the moment I'm the one getting all of his heart melting smiles and delighted squeals when he's with someone else and spots me. smile Selfish I know...

Passmethecrisps Thu 08-Aug-13 20:58:37

Is toddler herding different if they are your own?

YellowWellies Thu 08-Aug-13 21:04:18

Ha I suppose you can sellotape them to the wall / lock them in a cupboard without their parent's complaining? The 4 year old was v good but the 2 year old (and I love her dearly) is a wee feck. I'm BF J and she was gleefully lobbing toy cars over the stair gate - trying to get the estate agent (a girl after my own heart!!!) chuckling at any suggestion to stop throwing projectiles at the nice lady trying to value the house!!!!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 08-Aug-13 21:06:04

That's great news re the CM pass you must be relieved smile

DD1 listens if you bribe her with sweets. But if once you've promised sweets you go on too long she zones out and starts chanting 'bonbons' all obsessed zombie like til she drowns you out and you give in.

PurplePidjin Thu 08-Aug-13 21:10:09

Just like that, Kyz. I unload the nappies and chuck the bag in with the wash, but then I'm normally unloading the downstairs wet bag at the same time so already mucky.

If you buy a load of poundshop baby flannels, dampen them and store in freezer bags you don't need to but wipes either. Chuck them in with your nappies wink

BigPigLittlePig Thu 08-Aug-13 21:33:16

Evening all.

Sorry to hear bad days/nights - have a late brew. F was up with the lark today, although as I had to be at work for 8, that was ok.

PR I share your freezer dreams. Also need to do some batch cooking, although won't be any time soon.

Pass I'm so glad to hear the CM went well, fab news. F has dropped another bottle, all of a sudden, so is only having 3 a day now. I was a bit confused but she seems fine. Just need to get her drinking more water.

Chasing hope the numb mouth recovers soon. I don't like the dentist, have luckily also avoided fillings so far. I would be a complete wreck!

Det oops re: pram rant.

Madam <dons nagging hat> sort out the toe you wally!

Shockingly busy day (again) - began the day at 8, didn't leave til nearly 6. Poor F was still having her tea at 6.45. Still. She went to bed okay, so can't have been too worried....

Bryzoan Thu 08-Aug-13 21:33:45

That is hillarious pr. R is the same with 'phone'.

Love your election idea pass. And the cm sounds brilliant. Lovely to hear.

Yw if you want more practice with toddlers while you decide the quiche has a plethora we could post to you? R would love Scotland I'm sure...

YellowWellies Thu 08-Aug-13 21:36:50

grin grin grin Thanks Bryz

grin grin grin grin to bonbons PR

Passmethecrisps Thu 08-Aug-13 21:42:02

Well here is another thing from the CM! P was rummaging in the chnging bag while I was signing contracts. She pulled out her water cup and started trying to drink from it. Once CM flipped the sucky thing p was away. Then she flung it down and carried on. It seems strange but her recognising and being able to act on something like thirst seems amazing to me. I don't often drink water so never think about it but I have decided to leave a cup at p level for her to help herself to.

More Irish brew to BP

Passmethecrisps Thu 08-Aug-13 21:46:57

What happened to madam's toe? I have missed something. Poor you though.

How is the mouth chasing? Did O get the "chill out and let mum rest" memo?

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 21:52:20

I was all set for an early night to rest my poorly mouth when there was an almighty crack over the monitor. Poor love had whacked his head on the top of the cot. He was properly screaming, sounded like he was saying Ow Ow Ow sad Couldn't give him calpol as he had some before bed so I gave him cuddles and some water which calmed him down enough to sleep. I shall be following shortly.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 08-Aug-13 21:58:26

I think she has an ingrown toenail, pass ewwwww grin

I should go to sleep. I have a 13 hour shift tomorrow. And Saturday. And Sunday sad Instead I just want to eat chocolate.

ChasingDaisy Thu 08-Aug-13 22:03:46

Chocolate is just as important as sleep.


Chocolate is more important than sleep.

TheDetective Thu 08-Aug-13 22:10:56

This week I lost 3lb. So tonight I am eating a 3 course meal.

The courses are this:

Starter: Almond croissant

Main: 2 chocolate eclairs

Dessert: Chocolate sundae and a chocolate bar grin

I also stole a salt and pepper chicken wing and 2 spring rolls from DP's chinese meal!

Awesome grin.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 08-Aug-13 22:33:18

Hi all, first evening in for what seems like yonks so had lots to catch up on. I had to abandon the end of the other thread but have managed to skim read this thread.

Too much to reply to everyone individually so I'll just give wine and [coffee] to those in need and hand round high 5's to the good news.

E is a scorpio like myself. She was born the day before my birthday. Am hoping she isn't going to be as head strong as DD1. She seems a lot calmer but then looking back so was DD1. Think it was at 18 months that the changelling times hit.

Had a fab trip to the world that is Peppa Pig. We drove up on Monday, stayed overnight, went to PP world on the Tuesday and got back late Tuesday night. Both my girls were little stars. I've got lots more mummy daughter trips lined up. I was dreading the school holidays but am actually having a great time. Off to Bath week after next for 2 nights this time. Going to visit family and I'll take the girls to Longleat. Love it there. I could do with being at home a bit as the place needs a bit of tlc but that kind of stuff can wait. How a house can get in such a tip when you're not in it I'll never know. DH does the basics like load and empty dishwasher, pick shit up off the floor but doesn't think to do washing.

Looks like we will be heading to Derbyshire for a week in September too which is an unexpected treat. DH might even be able to join us on that one which will be good as we've not seen much of him of late. He bought me flowers so think he missed us.

Went to an outdoor screening of dirty dancing last night. Was hilarious. About 400 pissed up women (not me unfortunatly as I chose to be designated driver) and 10 very bemused looking blokes.

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 22:41:38

thanks pp smile good idea about the flannels too!

god bplp you sound mega busy! Eeek! I hope you get to sit for a very long period of time and do absolutely fuck all for at least 3 days after this mammoth shiftathon?

bless p pass i find the little things they do amazing sometimes, i love it when eric picks up something new and he turns it over and over, squeezing it and studying it as if to catalogue it for future times when he finds it, so he knows what it is. eric is drinking quite a bit of water, a cup is left somewhere where he can either get it or see it, he has a non spill one for when he is playing and a sippy cup for when i can control the mess he makes flinging it about as if for fun.

oh chasing we had that the other morning, E stood up at the bars then fell back and hit the solid end of his cot, was a very loud thump and he was quite upset sad

Det very well deserved, you are doing so very well!

Small achievement here. I am sat eating cherries, not chocolate. Today I have managed to eat no chocolate or biscuits or crisps. I have drank juice or coffee (1 sugar) or water eugh and I declined ice cream then cried inside

Small steps and all that

ValiumQueen Thu 08-Aug-13 22:42:54

I carried a watermelon.

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 22:50:16

oooh hey eliza! so glad the girls were good when you took them out smile sounds like you're having a great time smile How is e doing without the tube? nice that your dh missed you, bless him smile

TheDetective Thu 08-Aug-13 23:05:15

Thanks Kyz! And well done on the self control!

Can we talk food again!!?

Quantities and milk volumes. Just so that when O gets weighed and he has yet again jumped a centile, I can be sure I am not over feeding him!

Today is not a typical day, but this is what he ate today.

7.30am 7oz milk

8.30am Breakfast: Banana and raisin porridge - 140ml (roughly)

12.45pm Lunch - refused everything except about an eighth of a breadstick.

4.30pm 8oz milk

6.30pm 120ml spinach, potato and carrot puree. 70ml fruit puree.

7.30pm 6oz milk.

Lunch would usually be finger foods eg very small pieces of ham or chicken or egg , plus a salad or veg item ie: slice 2 pieces of cucumber or 2 lettuce leaves, and a carb item ie. 1 breadstick, 2 rice cakes. Not much of this is consumed, small bits of the protein are, and some of the carbs but usually only what I put directly in his mouth. Not really managing the salad or veg as finger foods, they get chewed then spat out when he can't swallow them. I follow up with around 70-100ml of a veg/veg+meat/fruit puree. He doesn't always finish this.

He is very good at stopping when full. He will only take what he wants. So I feel okay at what he is having.

Any thoughts?

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 23:15:43

I think that looks fine detective though I'm not 100% cos I measure in weight for solids, I will check on my converty thing and write what e has, but o is taking a decent amount of milk still smile and eating something at all 3 offerings even if not alot at lunch today. It was offered so he would've eaten it if hungry I'm sure smile lemme see what e has n I'll write it out in ml for you

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 23:18:01

Twat, they're the same thing, aren't they? It is grams and mls that are the same isn't it???

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 23:24:26

It has to be unless my brain isn't following some worldwide change, lol! They were the same last time I checked... Twat.

Right, e has...

7am - 8oz
8-8:30 - not often he eats anything but today a crumpet, and a 45g yoghurt
12 - 130g cheese pie, 60g puréed mango
12:30 - 8oz
4 - 200g lamb roast dinner, half a fruit pouch so about 45g I think and another yoghurt cos mil is soft, about a dozen Ella's kitchen puffits.
7pm - 8oz

Today he drank a bit more than usual and ate breakfast but the other two meals he eats about 130-200g savoury for lunch then 150-300g for tea, depending on how he's feeling I guess and whether he likes it. Usually 20-22oz milk

Fucking hope they are the same when converted, or the above isn't much use to you. I didn't check but I'm sure they are...

I don't think you're over feeding him, you're offering him a decent amount and he is controlling what he takes smile

Kyz Thu 08-Aug-13 23:32:50

Before I forget to ask, lovely pr where did you get your Tupperware from if you don't mind me asking smile

TheDetective Thu 08-Aug-13 23:43:42

Yes they are Kyz! Same thing grin.

It sounds similar then to what O is having! Phew! I just don't get the worry of the HV and overfeeding. I would think it is hard to overfeed at this age?

Especially a baby that can't have bloody dairy FFS!! grin

TheDetective Thu 08-Aug-13 23:45:02

The 3 bottles that he has now dropped were around 180ml on average. So he is having less than that in amounts of food.

So I figured it seems like an okay amount, rather than too much.

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 02:29:08

Definitely detective I know e stops eating when he's had enough and when he's definitely had enough he purses his lips and that's that, you couldn't force him into more than what he needs or wants! I don't get the worry either, but still get 20 questions when I go to weigh in I didn't go last time about what I feed him and why is he big etc.

PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 02:52:35

12:05 with calpol
Dp just put him in his cot after an hour and he immediately wok up. Now trying feeding.


Kirrin Fri 09-Aug-13 04:34:24

sad PP Any sign of any actual teeth? Hope they pop through soon.

grin to toddler hearding YW Thats the same age gap I have and it's mostly fine, if a little non-stop. And yes, you can borrow DD1 to practice on any time you like.

One more day of my work course to go. I'm enjoying it but I'll be glad to get to the weekend. My house is a tip. Nothing else seems to happen on work days.

And I actually have a phone smile No numbers yet, but at least I can make a call if I need to.

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 05:30:34

sad Pidj. Hope your night has got better since then...<hopeful emoticon>

Luckily O has slept through until now after his head bashing. Quick feed and I am just waiting for him to self settle back to sleep.

That doesn't sound like over feeding to me at all det. For comparison this is what O typically has when not teething.

7am 7oz
8am Baby porridge with chopped up fruit.
10am 5oz
12pm finger foods lunch, typically a few fingers of pitta. slice of cheese, meat, egg. Perhaps a fruit pot.
1pm 6oz
4pm 3oz or water
5pm fish or meat finger food with noodles/pasta etc plus veg. He doesnt tend to eat too much of this.
6.30 6oz

He will also usually have a snack of rice cake or breadstick between meals if he seems peckish.

Comparing that to yours it seems as though my O is eating a heck of a lot...I hope I'm not over feeding confused At the last weigh in he was following his centile and he is very long. He is getting a podgy tummy and thighs but that is normal for babies, right? confused I am conscious of trying not to project my own weight issues onto him.

PennieLane Fri 09-Aug-13 06:43:27

For those no one Facebook, what was MMs surprise?

FWIW I really didn't get on with LL nappies, always leaked so sold all mine on eBay. I would try some out before buying. I'm tempted to try cloth again but CBA to sort it out. I'm interested in the Chinese potty training article pr I just can't imagine it!!

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 07:26:20

FFS spent from 5 until now trying to settle him. I'm fucking shattered, my mouth hurts and I just want a break. I've just dumped O on my dad. I can't even look at him at the moment. I know it isn't his fault but I am struggling with this today.

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 07:44:59

sad chasing. Will your dad take him for a while?

pennie it was a gorgeous puppy

Nobody puts VQ in the corner grin

DH and I just bloody watched P fall flat on her face. Poor wee soul. She got a hold of the walker box which is still waiting to be recycled and pushing it around. She got up on it and was using it as a step to reach things higher up so we called on her. Of course being a good girl she turns around and heads towards us crawling right off this box and landing on her head. Poor wee soul cried and cried. Even fake sneezes didn't cheer her up. She is fine now though with no obvious damage. Pair of silly buggers.

det, kyz and chasing I think your meals look fine. I wouldn't be worried at all about over feeding. I think at this age that is pretty hard to do. P sucks on toast for breakfast, some purée for lunch with breadsticks or something and the same for dinner normally. She has a range of wee bits of finger foods but I have been trying to offer less choice to lessen waste and the potential of p thinking it is a game. Her actual amounts of solids are tiny. Proper tiny. In grams I would say maybe 30 grams? I don't know but thereabouts.

The babies are all so different though that any comparisons are a bit limited. Many babies would be starving on what p ate yesterday for example but she was quite happy. Our babies are not tiny anymore and, for the most part, will lead the way.

Of course, I have to repeat this to myself every single meal time

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 07:49:56

Oh and pp that sounds awful. What a dreadful night.

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 08:02:52

det the pancakes have milk in I'm afraid sad And a fair amount of sugar. Oops blush confused No wonder O likes them.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Fri 09-Aug-13 08:17:27

For those of you worried about over-feeding, I think S eats quite a lot, and he's very much following the same 50th centile, so its just what he needs. This is what a typical day looks like:

6am - 6-8oz formula
6.30am - whole weetabix, bit of toast gummed
10am - 5-7oz formula
12noon - lunch something like half a bagel and spag hoops or cheese omlette or jacket pot and beans or whatever DD is eating. He'll eat loads if he is hungry and likes it, sometimes eats next to nothing. Always eats all of any fruit (3 ice cubes)/yoghurt (petit filous type) offered.
3pm - 5-7oz formula (but increasingly only around 3oz, think we are on the cusp of dropping this one).
5pm - mushed food like some kind of casserole. Ranges between nothing and all offered, which is, I'd say, the equivalent of a weetabix with milk sized portion. Again, always demolishes fruit or yoghurt if offered for pudding. Usually then sits in high chair while we eat, usually given some of our food eg pasta spirals and bolognaise sauce to keep him occupied. He'll often have a good go at this too.
6.30pm - 5-7oz formula.

pass and BP, yes, manky ingrowing toenail. After det said that her DP having it sorted had made a massive improvement, I went to GP who removed part of the nail. It made a difference for all of about 2 weeks when the re-growth did the same thing. I've also hacked about with it in an attempt to relieve the pressure which has of course failed and just made it infected and much worse, again I know I need to go and see them but am concerned there is no quick solution - the anaesthetic didnt work properly so she could only do as much as my pain threshold could take, which was most definitely not the whole nail, and I dont have the time to make and attend an appointment. Lame I know. It does need sorting, the sight of me bathing toe in dettol solution gives DH serious rage.

chasing have a break, a shower maybe, and don't have too many expectations for today.

PP same for you - sounds like a rubbish night.

izzy, if you are lurking - hope sleep is improving.

pennie me too - sounds interesting, but cant imagine doing it.

YW I think I have a similar age-gap to kirrin. Very hard work to start off with, but now we're 9 months in, it's getting easier and easier, and so nice that they really interact and will be chums and partners in crime like PR thinks her girls will be. And for me, 2 years old has been amazing, not terrible.

wellieboots Fri 09-Aug-13 08:27:11

disclaimer - haven't caught up on thread since this morning (my time), will go and catch up now. 9 months today, unbelievable!

Just wanted to ask if anyone else had seen the AIBU thread about DP helping with housework while the OP is on mat leave with DC1 (10 weeks). it's turned into a total bunfight with a couple of posters getting all sanctimonious about how much babies sleep and how you can get all the housework done, yada yada...it has made me feel quite crap and teary (bloody hormones and bloody PND). When A was 10 weeks I was in reflux hell, she didn't sleep much in the day, when she did she was on me, she bfd for at least 6 hours, and the rest of the time she was usually screaming. It's made me feel really inadequate and upset, one poster has said that it only takes 4 hours a day to look after a baby, certainly not a full time job, blah blah. Oh, and anyone who can't do it that way is incompetent apparently! Sorry for rant, it has wound me up on a day that I should be celebrating surviving 9 months!

StuntNun Fri 09-Aug-13 08:27:13

We have had three nappy leaks in two days, all poo of course. hmm Time to move up to size 4+ then?

After Wednesday's horrendous night, J went from 9-12:30 then 1-6:15. His sleep is completely unpredictable from night to night but there's definitely been progress since I went egg-free.

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 08:27:50

Morning all, MIL said e slept till 6:30, which isn't bad smile I swear I sleep less when he's not here, I did 11:45-2, 2:45-5:30 then 6-7:30.

Oh pp that sounds like an awful night, really hope you got some sleep in the end! Bless you sad

kirrin glad you have a phone again smile

Podgy is normal IMO chasing e models podge brilliantly so I wouldn't worry, doesn't look like you're over feeding either smile If you think it looks like today will be a difficult one, set yourself the goal of just getting to bed time. It works here especially for days where I wake up and it already seems hard work.

Thanks pennie am going to try some different ones and see how I get on smile will hopefully get round to ordering some today!

Bless her pass I remember when e rolled off a big footstool, we were both right there, and couldn't stop him. Madness! Poor p, least she's fine now smile re: food, considering how it started when p wouldn't touch anything I reckon her 30g is quite an achievement, really good stuff smile you offer it, so one day she'll decide her little tum could do with a bit more, cos that particular dinner is yummy! She'll get there, and they are all different as you said smile

Ouch madame I've had one and they really do hurt! I really hope you find time to go to the doctors with it soon, it must be making things ten times harder, not to mention the pain!

Not sure what time we're picking e up. Not sure what I'm feeding him today either, didn't get owt out the freezer, oops.

PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 08:31:04

Two bottom ones are nearly all the way through.

I changed him from 2.5tog to sheet sleeping bag and he slept 3 till 6:35. Stupid mummy (1tog was still damp from the wash)

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 08:33:55

I've not seen it wellie but bollocks to them. Every situation is different, and they might well have had babies who did sleep so much it allowed them to do everything they did before. I remember taking eric to have his 3 months photos done, and there was a lady there with a 3 week old and she looked fab, really skinny, nice clothes, hair, makeup. She seemed so with it. I had a stain on my baggy top and dp's joggers on, brushed barely hair, overgrown eyebrows and bitten down über far nails. I felt like total shit after that. But then as my dp said to me, she might get all the help in the world, have a constantly sleeping baby or even just different priorities. She might be going home to a pig sty. I LOOKED a pig sty, but had managed to do some cleaning at home! Anyway, I was trying to make you feel better, I probably didn't manage it sorry!

Lol stunt I think it might be time to move up a size then! Glad for a better night last night smile

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 08:39:23

Oh wellie have a [brew[

I genuinely think some people say things on MN just to get a reaction. I have seen some terrible things written and have reacted similarly. I have learned to stay away from thread with certain titles. Also, we all experience our first days with baby differently so to be quite frank no one is entitled to say what you should or should not be doing. I think I do less housework now than I did when p was tiny. She is now very active and needs a lot of watching and interaction so anything like cooking can be really hard. I am sure other people would cope no problems what so ever but they are not me so I don't care.

I hope you feel better for a rant. I hate the sanctimonious posters. I have seen all sorts - teachers are selfish for having babies and mat leave in term time; everyone can breast feed - those who claim they can't are liars: pre-making formula is akin to poisoning your baby . . . Twice!

Deep breaths

YellowWellies Fri 09-Aug-13 08:45:13

Aye Wellie ignore, ignore, ignore. I barely managed to keep the Rayburn which provided our heating alight in the first 2-3 months of Jonas' life thanks to reflux. If I hadn't have had a sling, an amazing DH and a decent fish and chip shop we'd have starved!

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Fri 09-Aug-13 08:47:27

I saw that thread wellieboots. Load of bollocks like kyz says. Some babies are easy, some are not, some people had oodles of time, some don't. Every baby is different, everyone survives the early days differently. Balls to it. You're doing fab.

ValiumQueen Fri 09-Aug-13 08:57:43

Not caught up but...

1ml does not equal 1g as ml is a measure of volume and g is a measure of mass. It is only the same if it is water.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 09-Aug-13 09:03:50

Ou est pr ?

wellieboots Fri 09-Aug-13 09:13:34

Thanks quichethanks I feel better already, and yes pass you're quite right, there are a lot of wonderful things on mn but there is also crap from time to time and that's all part of the fun I guess. At the risk of getting teary again, I am very very thankful for this particular corner of mn, I don't know if any other PN clubs are like this but it strikes me as something very special - right, that's enough blubbing for one day!

StuntNun Fri 09-Aug-13 09:24:36

We have a toof poking through at the bottom. J's days of gummy smiles are numbered!

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 09-Aug-13 09:41:54

A bit behind with thread but just read your post welliboots defo ignore. As everyone else says everyone is different and every baby is different.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 09-Aug-13 09:42:18

Oh and by the way this is the very best corner of MN.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 09:46:42

Chinese potty training: http://nacd.org/newsletter/0409_pottytraining.php
Off to catch up

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 09:47:14
PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 09:57:18

Ignore wellies there are some massively smug sanctimonious cunts on MN. And a lot of liars too. DD1 slept all the fucking time. the house was spotless. LO is much more demanding, the toddler likes making a mess and tbh I care about mess much less than I have ever done. This corner is a safe place.

TheDetective Fri 09-Aug-13 10:00:50

I posted on it a couple of times wellieboots.

I held my tongue soooooooooo hard! You can imagine my thoughts. It would have got me deleted! grin

TheDetective Fri 09-Aug-13 10:14:50


I think I just got a letter with an appointment for allergy testing for O!!

I'm not 100% sure. The letter is from where I work - while I was in work the week before last I went to the consultants secretary and left a message for the consultant requesting it.

The letter is for the 'blood clinic'. I can't think of any reason he would be attending there otherwise. He has never had bloods before.

I can't ring as I've literally just put O asleep with the white noise on my phone! WAH!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 10:21:51

Going to have to go and look at this thread.

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 10:37:21

Yep. Might join you in a bit Pr. Think that thread needs a serving of quiche.

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 10:39:14

Oh and can I get a hi-fucking-5 please? I took ageing pussy to the vet with P in tow! P sat in her car seat with the reception staff and blethered away taking turns to speak! She made their morning apparently. They were very complimentary. And aging pussy is fit and well.

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 10:40:10

And p thought that the cat box with ageing pussy in was the best walker ever

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 10:43:48

detective said it very well. I didn't feel the need to add anything. Hope the OP is OK.

GTbaby Fri 09-Aug-13 10:44:49

Wellie forget the fuckers. I must admit lo was a big sleeper when younger. But recently I've found it harder to juggle housework and looking after him. Adding in the eating cycle means I have less time for every thing else. Also he is alot more alert. He used to be happy just sitting alone playing with toys on his bouncy chair. Now he cries if we leave him alone in the room. Or if he can't reach a toy in his toy box he screams. Alot more demanding. All kids are different and so are all parents.

Had a scare this morning. Lo woke us up crying first time, in , I don't remember. Normally he chats away until we pick him up, but today he was crying sad poor little mite has a fever. Hottest I have ever felt him. Won't let me take his temp, can't use strip on head as he fights it and won't suck on thermometer. Given him calpol and he has gone back to sleep. Poor baby.
I put him to sleep after just milk for breakfast as he was tiered. Should I push food with him today? Or just milk so he gets more calories?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 10:58:29

Once the calpol has worn off (6 hours) take his temperature under the arm or up the bum in the meantime let him eat what he wants. Offer him food and make sure he drinks enough not to get dehydrated.

Lily311 Fri 09-Aug-13 10:58:52

I got a fine today. On public transport with valid student card and valid travel card. Fuck them, I will make a huge fuss on Monday.

Also another rejection for financial support for O. Reason? She has no NI nr here? Why doesn't she have? Cause I have to sue the government to be able to get birth certificate. Not my day today.

O is great though, currently sleeping. She eats well. Her routine is
6.45-7 7oz milk
7.30 1weetabix
10 banana
11.30 lunch followed by fruit
3 7oz milk
4 snack
5 dinner
6.30 7oz milk.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 10:59:09

Didn't feel the need to add anything but did so anyway.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 11:07:45

Your babies are all eating and drinking far more than mine. She has about 20oz of milk a day plus some water. Other than that a few bits of pasta or omelette, a slice of toast, a bit of banana or avocado and some puree most evenings.

StuntNun Fri 09-Aug-13 11:11:46

Fucking car. DH just spent £400 getting it serviced with new brake pads and loads of other stuff. Now the mechanic says it's going to cost a minimum of £600 to replace the differential. Ffs if we had known that we wouldn't have had all the other work done, the car isn't worth much more than that. But having paid so much already we kind of have to fork out the rest or we've just wasted the original £400. hmmsadconfused

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 11:14:15

P just choked on some water. She thinks it's hilarious

ValiumQueen Fri 09-Aug-13 12:41:48

I am sure you did not share the hilarity Pass.

ValiumQueen Fri 09-Aug-13 12:42:46

Lily sorry you are having such trouble hmmthanks

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 13:03:40

That must be very infuriating stunt

Lily I hope you win your case and that this settles thing for you.

Pass LO finds spluttering on water funny too. I think it's because I am trying so hard not to let on how stressful I am when she does it that I put on an inane grin.

Lily311 Fri 09-Aug-13 13:30:10

I just want this to end. Started the process at the beginning of feb and still nothing. Not even a fucking court appointment. I can't even go to the gp about stress as I can't register at the gp and private would cost me tons. I need to stay in the uk system till November as I want holiday pay now that they refuse to pay me anything.

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 14:48:13

Afternoon all. Eric down for a sleep, lots to do but posting first!

I've no idea what g = in mls then if they're not the same thing unless its water. Oops!

Aw stunt yay for toofypegs, or one of them!

Hi 5 pass very well done!

Bless him gt hope he's right soon smile

Aw lily that's so unfair sad It must be very frustrating for you sad

stunt that's really shitty sad

pass I hate it when e coughs and splutters on his juice, have to pretend it doesn't bother me one bit

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 15:17:36

Awake early from his nap. Just as I was about to do something productive. Fucksticks. What's Friday again? Is it for fucksake Friday? I hope so.

Pikz Fri 09-Aug-13 15:44:57

Helllllooooo engerland!!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 16:24:30

Welcome home pikz

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 17:01:29

Mmm cooking this tonight: http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/roastcodwithalemonga_3477

Replaced lemon with lime and added a thin layer of grated cheese under the breadcrumb mix. To go with the leftover ratatouille. Yum

Am starving. I forgot to eat at lunchtime the kids were driving me up the wall.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 17:01:46
ValiumQueen Fri 09-Aug-13 17:17:38

Fucking tax credits have fucking done it again. They are saying we owe them £2000 and our money is dropping to next to nothing. Last year they said we owed them £4000 and our money dropped considerably, but not this much. They reckon we are entitled to £670 for the year towards childcare. That would not even cover 2 weeks. We are way below the cut of limit as far as I can see, and we were assessed two weeks ago and the bloke said it was all fine. At this rate I cannot afford to go back to work and that is not right surely?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 17:23:47

Cunts. No, doesn't seem right vq but they've been fucking about with all that stuff trying to make life as hard for normal people as possible so it wouldn't surprise me.

I'm sure someone who knows something will be along soon to contribute something more, erm, knowledgeable.

Detective did you spot your DS on the news or in the local press last night or today?

PennieLane Fri 09-Aug-13 17:51:38

Thanks pr

That is totally shit vq I can't believe they are putting you through this!

thanks To others with work probs and ill babies.

M has mastered standing unaided from sitting today, and took her first steps unaided (about 1ft from me to the walker). Such an amazing moment. grin She'll be 9 months on Wednesday. She's been sitting/standing nonstop since but hasn't repeated the walking for DH. Felt so thrilled for her, and a bit teary. DH&i both walked at 8/9 months. Still no proper babbling though-taking hope from Det's O who finally did it!

PennieLane Fri 09-Aug-13 17:52:18

grin For MM! I bet Matilda loves the puppy!

StuntNun Fri 09-Aug-13 19:22:03

It's quiet on here, has everyone switched to FB?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 19:29:32

I'm here (echo)

Fwiw the fish recipe I linked to above went down a treat with the DDs even though I was v heavy on the lime. Easy peasy recipe.

Was just doing an online shop asking DH for his input but he was just grunting so obviously not listening. Said right, just out to suck off the neighbour. Grunt.

It's nice talking to a brick wall.

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 19:36:12


That's amazing pennie!! What a girl! P does lots of standing, pulling up, cruising and has stood unaided for a few seconds recently but no sign of having the balance to walk yet. That's amazing!

The tax credits business sounds total fucking shit VQ. What I don't understand is how agencies whose job it is to do this all the time can get it wrong so frequently? It's the same with payroll departments. When I first started teaching I had to wait 3 months to get paid anything only to be told repeatedly by payroll that is was 'complicated'. The school ended up paying my rent for a month. This happened in similar ways to various people over the years until my boss asked the head of payroll how many times mistakes were made with payroll's payroll.

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 19:37:50

Put on some lip gloss, hitch up your tits and sachet on outside Pr

Oh and how is that actually spelled by the way? Is that right? Doesn't look it.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 19:41:41

No that's not right but it's not a french word. It's sashay I think...
Sachet is a French word it means paper bag smile which is what I'd need if I were intending to do that. To put on the neighbour's head.

<lowers tone>

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 19:41:50

Did you give that to LO PR? I used to make something very similar. DH likes big food like stews and I prefer wee food like this.

I am having an internal battle about cooking for p. she just doesn't reliably eat anything so there is a) so much wastage b) all my hard work goes to waste. I made her a bolognese recently - not impressed. She has had tomatoes and beef before but this is meh.

Do you think it'll be okay if all she ever eats are crispy things?

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 19:43:35

Or a sachet of sauce. You could spread tommy K on him to make him more delicious. Or tartar sauce if you prefer

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 19:45:03

Yes she had some too. Loved it. P will get used to new things in her own time. As long as she is opening her mouth and eating something that is relatively healthy. This evening she had a shop bought baby purée with a few bits of ham I had knocking about in the fridge and a couple of forkfuls of the fish. I almost never give her pudding, more through laziness than anything else. She loves banana though.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 19:45:46

Good plan.

<bleaches brain>

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 19:48:41

P did hate banana - shuddered whenever I gave it to her but she had half a banana for dinner. Tiny piece by tiny piece stuffed in by me.

She usually opens her mouth for the first spoonful then clamps shut and that is it. Then she makes a weird noise for ages.

Sometimes she will sook purée straight out of a pouch. That means it has to be pouch food she gets.

I am trying to get her to at least eat a small piece of fresh fruit a day.

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 19:49:42

Just think of it like a deep fried mars bar. Or battered haggis

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 19:55:33


Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 20:08:32

<holds PR's hair>

Soz, dude.

Have you ever has either of those two things though?

I have and they are both delicious

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 20:12:06

Evening quiche,

lily I'm so angry for you that this is so difficult. Surely it just needs one person to show a bit of common sense?

VQ I hate tax credits and find it all so complicated. I too will need to figure out if I would be better off working or not.

High fives for all the standing, walking babies! O is still not mobile. Although he did shuffle the whole length of the hallway backwards on his tummy yesterday in his attempts to crawl grin Babbling is more his thing. And high pitched wailing singing.

He had a lovely day today. Went to the garden centre which he loves. He shared a croissant with me in the restaurant and then went to look at the fish. He was transfixed by them, especially the small black ones with goggly eyes. I am going to get us a fish bowl and a few fish when he is a bit older. Plus some flowers we can grow on our window sill. He then spent the rest of the day playing with/in a box grin

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 20:17:07

Oh and Oscar finished his lovely day with steak, chips and peas for tea smile

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 20:18:00

Harrow all!

pikz welcome home smile

Oh pr that looks bloody gorgeous. I had a pasta bake. I eat so crappily it's unreal, but I am trying to get better because it's no good me weaning E with good food if he's going to convert to the shit I eat when he is older. I am going to learn how to do this cooking business and see what I can do. Dp is whinging because he likes his 'comfort food' and i've told him he is very welcome to cook his own meals should he wish to do so. He went quiet, so I am guessing he isn't going to protest that much!

vq that is completely and utterly wank!! Can you not get it changed? Perhaps they have made a mistake? Wankers sad

That's great pennie bless her I bet you were so proud!

Pass E would be like that at one point. A little while back I used to have a pouch warmed ready on standby, because he would eat a small amount of what I cooked and then finish up with a pouch, he hated my food. He got better with it, and unless it's a new thing I do not have a pouch on standby. In fact I don't warm one unless he really really isn't liking it and hasn't eaten much at all. She will get there smile Does she seem to have a liking for any particular flavours? for example eric likes lamb things, cheesey things and tomatoey things. He isn't as fussed about chicken unless it's chicken he can tear and eat himself (The chicken strip things pr said about once went down very well). Maybe you could go with something she already likes in a pouch but home cook it? or have you tried mixing a cube of good stuff with a pouch? Mind you you've said she likes it straight from the pouch... erm. I bet you tried anyway. Smeared on toast/rice cakes? Perhaps giving her her own spoon with a little on and sort of, spoon bits into her when she's concentrating on that?

Eric likes banana but gags alot with it. It makes me nervous to give it, especially since a friend told me her 3 year old nearly choked to death eating a banana. I hate stories like that, they put me right off sad

He had crumpet again for breakfast. It's probably not a staple breakfast is it? D'you think I should do a crumpet as a reserve but try with something like weetabix/cereal/porridge first, or do a crumpet one day, then something different the next day?

Bet there's been loads of replies. well not loads, cos it's mega quiet today!

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 20:22:22

Sounds like a fandabby day chasing smile E has a small tank with some fish, because my sister had a goldfish she wasn't really bothering with/looking after very well so I nicked him and called him Elvis. And today we got him a couple of goldfishy friends and a plec to help clean his tank, plus a new ornament. They need a bigger tank, methinks!

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 20:22:32

Oh, of course, lily. sad the whole situation just bounces from one ridiculous red tape issue to another. It is like the whole establishment have forgotten completely that there are human being involved in all their rules and processes.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 20:24:13

kyz there's lots of butter in that recipe. It's v comforting.

pass tbh I'd rather suck off the neighbour. And he is an old, v old man. A shouty one. I don't like unfried mars bars or haggis; deep fried can't be an improvement.

YellowWellies Fri 09-Aug-13 20:26:09

OMG battered haggis and deep fried Mars bars are delish. Tsk tsk PR pearls before swine...

We've had a lovely day out at beecrags country park - I love the views from up there. It was so clear you could see the Wallace Monument so Jonas was all 'Mum, Mum we have to wave to Jacob and Penny' grin . We went there for DH's office's summer BBQ it was lovely (though the dairy free food bought for me was all gluten free hmm confused - good thing I ate before!!!) Jonas was basically the coolest toy ever for all the kids - but he loved it.

Tax credits grrr sounds like the feckers at HMRC who can never manage to explain anything correctly (or indeed explain the same thing in the same way twice) - they are either inept or deliberately obtuse angry .

YellowWellies Fri 09-Aug-13 20:28:20

PR the batter goes all sweet and caramelised it's AMAZING. But yeah if you don't like Mars Bars (dairy free freaker goes 'but how can't you like them!!!!!') its maybes not the pud for you smile

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 20:30:03

chasing you are notching up the good days. V happy for you smile

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 20:32:35

Yeah but yeah but no... Haggis? Sorry I eat all kinds of gross stuff but you couldn't persuade me to eat that. I did, once. Ugh. Never again, not even if it was covered in garlic butter.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 20:33:29

I like mars ice cream though ate six of them on Sunday

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 20:34:07

Mars bars are yuck envy

pass I don't know if this helps at all, but eats best when his food is in tiny pieces so he can use his pincer grip to feed himself. Peas and raisins are particular favourites. Would P perhaps enjoy the game element of eating this way?

Thanks PR I am certainly making headway in getting over XP. We literally only ever talk about O now and I don't think I would care too much if he found someone else. Going to collect the last of my stuff from the old flat tomorrow but popping in to see O's best friend next door as well so I am trying to see it as a positive trip. Plus cute guy from boots should be given my number by his kind colleague tomorrow

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 20:34:54

Weather report: no more than 25 the next week, and down to ten at night. Perfect. The heatwave has fucked off. Yay.

ValiumQueen Fri 09-Aug-13 20:45:35

But Chasing, everybody should be better off in work surely? And that is not aimed at you, but at the fucking system. I would be better off out of work. I would be better off if I split with my husband. That is not right.

I have run the new figures through the calculator at entitled.com and when my costs go up (Monday) our payments should be about £6K more. It seems the more you pay out, the more you get. I thought it was 70% up to £210 a week if you have 2+ kids, so long as you earned less than a certain amount which is pretty high when you have three of the little buggers. Also they have not taken off my pension contributions which is about £2K. If we hadn't been told just last month that everything would stay the same I would not be so fucking angry.

If this had happened six weeks ago, I would have probably asked for admission to a MH unit for fear of playing with traffic. Thankfully I am a lot better now.

ValiumQueen Fri 09-Aug-13 20:47:07

Deep fried haggis is awesome. Have yet to try mars deep fried but I know I would love it too much.

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 20:50:25

Oh absolutely. I am entitled to income support as a lone parent until O is 5. But I have a work focused interview when he turns one and that is when I aim to get back into work. But if I doesn't make sense financially then I'm not sure what to do. I can't really afford a drop in income but equally I don't want to be out of the work place for another 4 years.

ValiumQueen Fri 09-Aug-13 20:57:51

Have you looked into tax credits for O? And as this years money will be less than last year, you update them once the claim has been processed. I have no idea how income support etc works, but I know you can get Child Tax Credits without working or paying for childcare as they come under Working Tax Credits.

YellowWellies Fri 09-Aug-13 20:58:09

Jeez all you Mars Bar haters... I'd trade a limb, OK not a limb, maybe a digit for one right now. Nearly nine months since milk chocolate....

Chasing that's great news about XP. I found when my ex got together with a new girlfriend (actually two ladies at once, who didn't know about the other - he was nice like that) it hurt when I first heard - primarily the speed with which I was 'replaced'. Even though I left him - the speed of change can be shock shock .But when I saw how he treated them it was good confirmation to me of how poorly he treated me and it helped me not to take it personally as treating women like shit was, I then realised, just what he did. It wasn't about me at all.

When he got one pregnant and the other girlfriend found out about the other, and they set to at him like drink throwing banshees - in the same beer garden as me and my pals..... well I'd be lying if that wasn't a karmic high point of wooo my entire twenties. Seeing him trying to calm things down and act all cool and debonair, dripping wet, with two furious women, I nearly soiled myself grin grin grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 21:02:33

The UK needs to learn from France, Germany and Luxembourg on this. In France childcare is very heavily subsidised. I'm going to be paying the maximim amout for my two of 800€ a month for both of them together. Someone on minimum wage for example would pay maybe €100 for two. Tax deductible. Putting children in nursery creates jobs AND contributes to the economy as parents are freed up to work. My problem was that there a very few subsidised places in France for cross border workers, and I'm not entitled to cheap places in Lux as I live in France. Which would have meant that if I had had to put the girls in nursery in Lux I'd have been looking at €2500/ month. Tax deductible even so.

I get really angry at the striver vs shirkers debate in the uk. Ffs create jobs and make it easier for people to work. Germany manage it. France less so but the French are contrary buggers

PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 21:03:45
Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 21:05:13

it sounds a lovely dinner pr, dp is very fussy but even he might like that. I say very, compared to me he is very fussy.

sounds like a great day yw

I am not a mars bar fan either - now, mars bar ice creams on the other hand are scrummy

The system seems to be against people, it's so unfair! It would work out better for us if either neither of us worked, or if we split. I really want to get back into work but I am actually scared at how we would be affected financially! I'd love to go back to uni but i can't see it happening tbh.

it's like they like to make it harder for you to work, rather than easier! Seems like it encourages people to not work, which is very unfortunate sad I prefer to be working, makes me feel useful. I am 'ok' with the fact dp works and i currently do not but I want to be doing something productive after E is one, i think. Fuck knows what, though sad

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 21:05:56

Fish tanks are lovely for babies. Like telly but better.

I do not like mars bars. Yucky yuck. Coat one in batter and deep fry it and it becomes amazing.

I also like haggis. Deep fried or otherwise. And black pudding. I have the dietary preferences of an old man.

P would have loved a wee wave back at her pal YW. She was in a very sociable mood today. The ladies at the vet today were complimenting her excellent social skillz.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 21:07:49

And chasing you need to ensure xp pays his full whack to you <friendly nudge>

yw I would have loved to have it out with XP with the other women. Loved it. But he was such a cunt charmer that when he did get caught out he brazened it off. One day I will ensure he gets his comeuppance. Not bitter, just... Still angry.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 09-Aug-13 21:08:07

I love mars bars ice creams. They remind me of being on holiday with my parents in the south of france many many many many years a go. Don't think I could eat six in one day though, i'm impressed pr.

To answer your question from a long time a go kyz E is doing really well without the tube, thanks for asking. The proof of the pudding will be when we see the dietician on Monday but she is coping well. She doesn't drink that much milk. Prob has no more than 8ozs a day but she does eat well. I do need to try and up her fluid intake inc water but not sure how. If she doesn't want something she just clamps her mouth shut. My main struggle is the bedtime milk. She's just not interested. She does self settle well though and goes from 7pm roughly 6.30am so she doesn't wake from hunger. I'm interested to see if she's gained weight on Monday but also dreading it in case she's lost some.

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 21:09:47

VQ I get child tax credits for O. As I didn't work during the last tax year and it no longer counts XP's income, I am getting a reasonable amount - £60 p/w Then I have child tax credits and income support of £70 a week. It is enough to live on. Just. I think I will end up working part time - less than 16 hours a week, so either two full days or a few evenings. Luckily, my dad is willing to provide childcare for 2 days a week.

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 21:11:00

Hmm. Sobering. DH is investigating life insurance for me us as as of next week I will be back to travelling 400 miles a week and suddenly that really matters

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 21:11:10

*child benefit and income support.

PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 21:11:23

PR if i were working it would be in childcare as it's the easiest to get employed in (my experience is LD) but i can't afford to. 7 years experience working with people with SN and challenging behaviour and all I'm worth is minimum wage. No one can afford to hire trained, experienced staff but surely society can't afford for our children to be raised by barely literate teenagers aka a large proportion of the nursery staff I've met? Lovely, kind, friendly... But also clueless and giggly and ignorant sad

Bitter? Moi?

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 21:14:14

PP your situation makes me rage. I have lost count of the number of lovely (sometimes) but clueless young ladies who proclaim to have a desire to work in child care. I let rip at a girl a few years ago who was plenty bright but wildly lazy and massively disaffected. She eventually admitted that she had categorically no interest in the care of other people's babies but thought it would be easy.

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 21:14:30

YW that is awesome karma grin The thing is, I know that at the start he will be a 'good' boyfriend, fancy dates and the like. His true colours won't show for a good few months. Plus, for some reason I think I would feel a bit weird about him bringing another girl into his family. I know I dislike my ex in-laws but it would hurt a bit I think. But I am definitely getting there.

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 21:16:03

pass and pp indeed, child care seems to be the career of choice for erm, how should I say...chavvy young mums, around these parts.

PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 21:16:04

Oh, and if i didn't work I'd be on £130pw maternity allowance from 29 weeks pg. As i work, i got 90% of my £98 per month for the time i was off.

But, i was unfit for work and kicked off JSA at 29 weeks pg. So I've had no income since last September. Nice reward for keeping my job, hey?

PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 21:17:49

Don't get me started on TAs in schools angry

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 21:17:51

That makes sense chasing. As the mother of O you are part of that family for better or for worse so someone else in there is bound to rub. Thankfully for you you know what a bunch of utter cunts they are.

I can see you having lots of fun in the coming months. Lots of low level flirting just to bump your confidence. A wee flirt is like having the sun on your face.

Evilwater Fri 09-Aug-13 21:19:06

I just want to say thank you quiche, for making my day so much much better.
Thank you.


Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 21:20:42

Err, like I did pp <shifts uncomfortably and looks at feet>

Ehm. I did think of your the other day actually. But I am a but scared to suggest anything because you have had 'helpful suggestions' until they are vomming out your nostrils.

. . . . . . Ignore the following . . . . .
OU teaching?

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 21:20:54

Perhaps that was a bit judgey pants. But I see a lot of young girls with no qualifications who have kids and want to go into child care. I think they reckon that as they have a child of their own it will be easy. But that isn't going to help our children be educated properly. One reason that I am glad O is going to be raised primarily by me and my family is that we all have a good grasp of basic grammar. XP's grammar is terrible and I would hate O to pick up on it and start speaking that way too blush It is one thing I am a bit snobby about.

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 21:21:35

How did we do that evil? I am glad you feel better though.

How is N tonight?

You work long hours by the way. What is it you do again?

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 21:27:31

chasing it is not snobby to want your child to have a good understanding of basic things.

I come from an extended family who believe that education beyond primary is largely unnecessary and generally just for 'snobs'. One particular relative, when called in to primary school to talk about her child's terrible behaviour told the head teacher that she "needed a fuckin guid shaggin"

Never make apologies for wanting your child to be educated.

And you have a point about the nature of many child care workers. It is only through reading the full record of children when they come to me that I have any understanding of how challenging and intense the job of nursery teacher is. The girl I am talking about thought that it was all "playing in the wet sand"

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 21:33:21

pp they look awesome! I may have to invest in some, I found pouches really convenient, this would be brill i reckon!

Your situation is really unfair sad It makes me really mad sad

I have everything crossed eliza that it goes well on Monday smile It sounds promising, if she eats well smile Would she perhaps drink juice? You've probably tried her on it already but on very hot days i've diluted apple/orange/pear juice for e to encourage him.

Aw evil bless you smile How did the quiche manage such things? smile

I am trying so fucking very fucking hard not to eat any ice cream. I am really craving ANYTHING with sugar in. Today I have had a mugshot for lunch and a pasta bake for tea. Not the healthiest, granted, but I have not eaten anything rubbish for almost 48 hours i think. AND i drank a pint of juice. Thats me for a fortnight now, i am going back to coffee and pepsi max now.

Evilwater Fri 09-Aug-13 21:33:22

pass I work on the stem cell unit as a HCA. Pretty cool, at times. From what was posted on face book, about the misplaced empathy. I was getting by upset about it, and also angry at the GPs again.

I spoke to P, who said N is getting better. Which has also made me happier.

Right bed!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 21:34:41

pidj to work in nurseries here you have to have passed a two year childcare post A Level qualification, and it is not minimum wage. Childminders otoh need a three week training course and a childproofed house. Some are excellent but I had a bad experience. France isn't very SN friendly. I honestly have never come into contact with an advanced SN person here. I have NO idea what happens to them. I guess they go into full time specialised day care and then adult day care sad I was talking about it with DH the other day. We watched Mr Tumble and later on Magic Hands on cBeebies and he was astounded. Other than the odd news bulletin with signers here there is no imdication on French TV that handicapped people exist. I know of one person who had a dyslexic child and she had to fight, REALLY fight to ensure she was kept in regular school. My ex neighbour has a slightly mentally slow child - I wouldn't have ever noticed- and she has been put into a specific school, 20 km away. And don't get me started on autism. Here shrinks blame it on a lack of maternal bonding!!!!!

So France is good for childcare in some ways, unless you have special needs.

BUT those who have psychology or other skills to deal with SN are valued as are regular child carers.

Turned into a bit of a rant.

Oh, I have more. DD1 is 2.4 and doesn't speak much sense . Our paed is in Lux and says she doesn't worry about speech til 3 going on 4. Next door but one have a boy the same age, who understands perfectly but who just says a few words. His paed is in France and he is already in speech therapy. At not even 30 months.

And in this one post are all my main gripes about France. In a wal nut shell.

PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 21:34:54

Pass i work 4 hours a week term time at a job I'm devoted to. It's more of a hobby, I'm just lucky enough to get paid.

OU teaching? Hmm, doubt they'd want a thicko like me. But i might have a nosy just to depress myself further

Our children are growing up TOWIE due to lack of intelligence in the staff paid to raise them. Women will never be equal when their role models as tiny infants are more interested in Big Bother (sic) and hair extensions than anything in wider society. Nail painting is a normal activity in nurseries - what does that teach children about the value of personality and freedom of speech and thought?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 21:36:34

pidj I was trying to say your skills would be valued here as SN workers are few and far between. No mainstream schools have more than one, if that.

PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 21:40:00

Don't forget we spent the first 6 months of the year on SSP, the tax credits didn't come through till May, my work forgot to pay me after ML (so jan-june) and dp is now doing 16 hours a week at £8 an hour. And damn near killing himself to do that much.

Bed time. Crying.

TheDetective Fri 09-Aug-13 21:40:29

Ello mofo's!

PR I found him hanging about on a video of some boy talking to the camera about the visit. I wouldn't have known it was him, if it wasn't for 'the hair'. Couldn't mistake his barnet bobbing about!

VQ You know my opinion on the TC fuckers. They will have it wrong. Again. Keep plugging away. sad

Lily fucking red tape. Fucking stupid backwards laws. Fucking government. Fuck fuck and fuck.

Why did they dispute a valid card btw? Idiots.

Pennie Well done M! It's a lovely moment isn't it? But one I can definitely wait for. I need less activity in my life right now. Not more grin.

All this food talk is killing me! I am very hungry today. I am on my period. I assume this is why. I don't have anything in that I could really have though. I need to be good. Waaaaah!

You know I mentioned about a letter this morning for an appt for O? Well, DP was out at the time. He came in 15 minutes later and I told him about the letter. He cut me off to say 'oh that was what your post was on about wasn't it?'. I was like, huh? What post.

Turns out the bastard is logged in as me on his phone, and has the threads I am on page on. <RAGE> Fuck OFF!

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 21:42:14

Nail painting? Nail painting. Let me tell you something. If p came home from anywhere with her nails painted I would be pretty fucked off. Child's party at 5 years old. Maybe. Nursery? Fuck right off.

And pp and cannot for a minute see why you are not qualified. I have a chum who does this and while hard work it sounds ideal for working from home

PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 21:44:45

Nor do schools here, PR. Inclusion means sn kids are left disrupting ms classes while teachers with about 1 day's training to cover the entirety of sn mutter darkly about naughty kids and smacks. TAs are invariably Head of the pta types who want a naice little job to fit in with the kiddies so the hubby doesn't nag them about getting back into the real world

Have been turned down for many many many TA jobs. Everything else in the field is shifts. I damned near killed myself doing shifts, i want office hours like normal people!

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 21:45:26

Dear mr det,

Hello duder. You are not a bad sort obviously and largely you make our lovely det happy. Come and join us properly a la luis. We almost never bite.



PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 21:47:54

I have a Desmond (music) and 1/3 of a MA (english lit)

And NVQ3.


PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 21:48:57

Ha, major x post blush

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 21:50:10

sad and angry pp

You are talking primary?

I can't really say anything as I have been too blunt about where I work specifically. However, what you say does not surprise me.

A small part of my job is working alongside everyone else to ensure that as many children as possible can access mainstream. Part of my experience is that we would employ someone like you. Teachers in my school often defer to the expertise of the TAs (that probably sounds bad but I hope you understand what I mean) and while it is never easy we have had some major successes in keeping children in ms. Mind you, my school has the largest department of additional support in Scotland so we are lucky to have access to such a wealth of expertise and range of needs

ChasingDaisy Fri 09-Aug-13 21:50:46


Thanks for the interesting chatter tonight quiche.

Night night x

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 21:55:36

Ahahahaha! I did day we almost never bite!

pp I have a general degree. Couldn't even get myself a sodding honours. Wrong degree but whatever. At the end of the day much of it is chance. Where you are and what is happening at the time. I have met plenty people who have waxed lyrical that people without at least 2:1s shouldn't be allowed to teach expecting me to agree. Fuck that and fuck them.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 21:57:19

My CM was a lazy cow who wanted easy money. Like pig's I'd guess. My ex neighbour is a qualified nursery nurse who switched careers to be a hairdresser. Last year she (stupidly) made a suicide attempt. A rubbish one, she hardly bled. She has been swiped off the equivalent ofsted. For life. But she is a brilliant cm. i'd (and I have) handed both children over in emergencies with no qualms. And was going to ask her to take care of them if needed over the next few weeks.

However when I went to my GP a few weeks ago for sleepers and the xanax she saw on my records that I had PND. First I heard of it. Get this: when DD1 was three weeks old I was in ICU because I was puking and shitting blood. They kept asking me if I wanted to see my daughter. I said no. She's 3 weeks old, I don't want her to come here, I am dying. There is an infection risk. They called a shrink. I could hardly speak by now. The shrink sat next to my blood transfusions and said why don't you want to see your daughter? Do you want to harm her? I said no but if babies do absorb stuff she doesn't need to absorb this. This was hours before I literally died from blood loss (donate blood if you can) Two and a bit years on I have a PND record. Since the French lock women up for this (seriously) I said to the GP I am SO glad I didn't come earlier with my work related stress issues. she's young and open minded.

But an older one would have referred me for pnd. Which is taboo here.

I'm chatty tonight. Blame DH who quite happily waved me off to suck of the neighbour. I need adult conversation!!!

PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 21:58:18

Yeah, that's primary. At secondary, they just get excluded then fucked up by PRUs.

If i talk dp into moving 450 miles, will you give me a job? wink

Ta, Chasing <squidge> I'm going to read then sleep. I'll be back in the morning, calm. Hopefully tonight's our night looooooong sleeps...

PurplePidjin Fri 09-Aug-13 22:00:42

PR i was in there at 6 months + 1 week when they came to my town.

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 22:01:07

pp (((((hugs))))) I have nothing of value to add i'm sorry sad

shock that is norty, mr det! Hai, btw.

I had a bowl of ready brek. I know it is not good but it is filling, and I had a damn sight less of it compared to the ice cream I can put away.

I would not be very happy with nail painting at nursery. Goodness me.

LOL pr bless you. I like it when you're chatty!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 22:02:47

MrDetective you want to be in the quiche? fuck off Then get thee a username and don't scab about on your lovely DP's account. <chants> come and have a go if you think you're 'ard enough.

Meddling DPs.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 22:04:07


PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 22:05:08

I'd like to say I'm drunk. But I'm not. It's the xanax wink

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 22:06:02

Fo sho pidj!


<did anyone get the Thunder Cats reference?>

Passmethecrisps Fri 09-Aug-13 22:07:09

pr? Are you secretly Delia Smith?

daisychain76 Fri 09-Aug-13 22:08:38

Hi all, hope lo is feeling better now GT. Fingers crossed for Monday eliza. Well done on the healthy eating kyz. I have given up on that til after summer holidays. Sorry to those having bad times pp, Vq, Stunt and anyone l‘ve missed. You sound really positive now chasing and glad you feel better evil..

Well dhs suspected heart attack (complete with blue lights and being stretchered everywhere apparently) turned out to be labyrinthism (sort of ear infection). Means he needs lots of rest and l am rushing round minding dcs, working and preparing for ds1s birthday this weekend (trying to make a Gnasher cake)!

Oh meant to say that‘s lovely pennie. Wish H would work out how to move more (shuffles and hurls himself at things at the mo). He is ending up on his tummy crying every time l leave him for 30 seconds.

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 22:09:24

Yeah actually, mrdetective stop trying to be the real detective she is far too ace and you will never manage it, as lovely as you may be sometimes to our dearest det

Lol I am now happier, after eating ready brek. I think I have a serious issue. It can't be normal to crave crap food as much as I do?

In all fairness I do love healthy food too I just never get any of it sad Dp is allergic to salad and I never seem to have time to cook anything nice. I don't eat all day because i'm too busy and then end up eating tea and pigging out on shite after. I need to fix this. Should be inspired by the recent weight losses from other quichettes!

TheDetective Fri 09-Aug-13 22:12:42

I am confused grin.

What's going on here then?!

PR Really? shock. About the French and PND btw. Not the rest grin. Cunty McCunters.

No one listens to me either. I just whined at DP I am hungry. He's not taking me on. GRR!

I wonder if he will see any of your replies... time shall tell wink. I bet he checks tonight when he goes to bed. He's always on MN then. Bastard!

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 22:13:10

You sound very busy daisy, how is dh? how long will it take for him to get better? Hope he's not poorly for long, for his and your sakes! E was just like that before he worked out how to move!

BTW dp isn't actually allergic to salad he just won't tolerate it at all. Not even when he has a macdonalds, he takes the salad off or makes them make one without. He likes 'normal' veg but seems such a faff to make anything nice for me. I eat EVERYTHING except packet mash, jam on toast and cheap fish fingers. I think. Oh and I don't like tripe. I guess there's other bits and bobs like mars bars, lol, but I don't count them as food really.

Trying to think of foods i don't like now. I really do eat most things.

Am rambling, sorry quiche!

TheDetective Fri 09-Aug-13 22:15:26

Kyz try SW or WW (not that I know how WW works!). I have NEVER dieted. Never thought I could. Thought I didn't have the will power.

SW has changed a lot for me - even when I am bad - I am good bad! grin

So I have chocolate and crisps, but I know which one's are better than others!

To be honest, it was the amount of cheese and oil/butter in my diet that made me put weight on. I now realise how bad even my healthy meals would be!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 22:26:02

pass it was the passing references to the happy pills which gave it away wasn't it grin

Kyz Fri 09-Aug-13 22:28:23

Detective I did SW a couple of years ago, i'd love to get back into it, I just wasn't sure if the meals would be suitable for e because of them being healthy, and i'm wanting to get him eating the same as us, at some point! Or similar at least :S I lost about a stone and a half I think last time i did it and i really loved the plan etc. Once i start, I do really well, I just need the time to plan the first weeks meals and some motivation to cook the fuckers and I'll be set.

Now where do I get me some motivation?

YellowWellies Fri 09-Aug-13 22:32:19

Det sounds like me - I used to have 'healthy' salads consisting of woo 50% 70% dressing and parmesan blush and be all 'woo look at me and my healthy eating'!

I haz decided after a good third half bottle of garnache that I would fuckin luff a good quiche piss up. You ladies rock.

TheDetective Fri 09-Aug-13 22:37:23

You wanna see me on a night out. grin

I don't drink.

There is a reason why not. grin

Stone cold sober I ran down my road butt naked at 3am in the morning blush.

Could you imagine me plus alcohol? It's just not worth it!!!

daisychain76 Fri 09-Aug-13 22:38:30

He‘s ok thanks kyz but very grumpy he‘s off work for 2 weeks. Worst bit is he can‘t drive because of the dizziness and l don‘t drive either.

l am thinking of trying Tesco or similar diet in September. Are there any small changes you could make which don‘t take so much motivation ~ diet versions of fizzy drinks, skimmed milk for full fat, sweetner for sugar in coffee and the like.

YellowWellies Fri 09-Aug-13 22:47:39

Det I used to live in Finland - land of the sauna - it quite knocked any British fear of nudity out of me. Right well that's sorted at the piss up we'll be the streakers! wink grin

TheDetective Fri 09-Aug-13 22:49:12

Awesome! That's the entertainment sorted! grin

I still can't quite look the neighbours in the eye grin

YellowWellies Fri 09-Aug-13 22:49:34

Daisy that's tough sad I'm a non driver too (am learning soon...) it'd be rough if DH was off the road... get well soon to him.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 22:51:49

Yes Detective PND is very far from acceptable here. As is autism. I think my MIL's weirdness stems from PND. her doctor's remedy at the time was to go back to work, which she did, and felt better. But long term didn't solve it. I watched a documentary a while ago (but relatively recently, maybe 3 years ago) which claimed to be unraveling the mysteries of the 'baby blues' and was praising a McDonalds charity which was paying for mothers to go into retreats with their babies (but without DH and other children) as OPPOSED to being sent into care ON THEIR OWN. Admiteddly it did look like a very nice place to go, but WTF.

And autism being blamed on lack of maternal bond? The only other country in the world to officially back that is Argentina.

The French can be so fab, but so shite. Every day when I lurk on SN threads on MN I am thankful that I, for the moment, have not had SN diagnosed here in France.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 22:55:44

No fear of nudity in France either <streaks>

kyz fancy a move up north? South Lakes are, or were, recruiting. The animal park that is. The owner is lovely, despite how he was portrayed on the news.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 23:00:00

There was a Eurostar advert in France that was basically, come to England, streaking is funny there. There was a big poster of someone streaking during a football match.

You don't need to streak here. Just go to the beach. Or the local spa. All the oldies there are starkers and proud.

I bet my neighbour goes

Evening all!
DH us back from working away, we survived. It was quite nice actually, wouldn't mind him doing it every so often. And we'll be quids in when he gets paid next week. I'm trying to convince him to buy me a "back to work bag" seeing as I've only used a changing bag for the last 8.5months and M will need that.

I've been reading but don't really feel like I have much to contribute, been good to read though.

Tonight I may need a slap with the quiche fish. Been feeling a bit like I haven't got any friends. A girl I went to school with is getting married, a different friend got married about 6 weeks ago. We were in a big group of friends at school and all of them more or less are at both weddings, except me. They all stayed in touch with each other but not me. I know partly it was me as well, I felt I'd outgrown them, had met DH and went to uni etc. and I do have friends, different friends who I love. But it's sort of made me feel a bit sad, like I'm not worth staying in touch with. I know I'm bring stupid because I've got plenty of friends I have stayed in touch with. But I just feel a bit unloved. I think it's just a post-baby identity crisis though.

<slaps self>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 23:21:07

<slaps Fatima> people move on And sometimes it's hard not to feel left out. But it's not deliberate. Promise. And would you want to go to a boring load of weddings of people you're only kind of in touch with?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 23:27:22

My best friend from school suddenly got in touch a few months ago asking if she could come and stay in July. She wanted, in her words, a cheap holiday with her son. I said of course, open house. In June I asked her whe she was coming. Oh, sorry, I'm not coming, it's too far, I found a cheap campsite in Brittany. (same drive from Calais - four hours). I honestly don't think she meant to offend. And tough shit, I go mad for guests - LOVE cooking for them. Her loss. But it was school. Ages ago. She's moved on and so have I really.

Thanks pr you're right. And I know there are reasons why we drifted apart, all through high school etc I felt a bit of the odd one out even though we were good friend, I knew I'd be the first one to go.
I'm just feeling a bit wistful, but I got different friends. Ones that were more me. I suppose it's dragged up some feeling of inadequacy. Wow that's a bit deep for a Friday night.

On more lighthearted notes, I met the biker that I LOVE again at the weekend. Oh my god he is fit! grin

Damn right her loss! That's what I should think. They don't have me and the gorgeous M in their life, their loss grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 23:40:49

Exactly. You've grown up and are more you and have friends to match the grown up you. It's sad because we would like to keep bff but the reality is that we move on and our friends do too. It's a good thing really. We're no longer teenagers after all.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 09-Aug-13 23:44:43

I am very different from the teenage me and even from the 20s me. Wouldn't waste a second with some of my old school friends now. No point in hanging on. Others I would walk to the end of the earth for. But they would invite me to their wedding.

GTbaby Sat 10-Aug-13 01:20:20

Argh. Dh is giving mil MY lil suitcase. That I bought as my hospital bag. I wana murder him. He doesn't listen to me and I'm to tiered to argue with his. They will be gone tomorrow. Just need to keep shut for a few more hours.

GTbaby Sat 10-Aug-13 01:57:28

Lo update. He slept until 2. Then knocked out Again at 6. Just gave him a dream feed. Well an hour ago. He still feels warm. How long does the temp need to last before seeing a gp?

Getting jealous of wrap talk. Wanted one for lo. But dont don't know where to start. And local sling meet is not that local.
Might just get a baba sling ?? I think it's called. Looks easy enough. Or like look of stretchy slings that are kinda pre made.

Kyz Sat 10-Aug-13 03:44:45

Not read owt. Eyes hurt. Will read in morning. Worst night in a long time, just keeps waking up crying out, last was less than an hour ago. Think will calpol now.

PurplePidjin Sat 10-Aug-13 04:40:36

Diet soft drinks? Ffs! Just cut the crap. If an ingredient has more than 4 syllables, or a product has more ingredients than you have fingers, don't put it in your mouth.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 10-Aug-13 06:36:20

Morning. Ok night here except for me, surprise surprise.

pidg I can't work out who you're answering there smile but I personally loathe diet soft drinks too. Full fat coke all the way for me grin but never after 4

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 10-Aug-13 06:41:38

Ooo I just have to do a gentle stick up for nursery workers here. My experience of nursery workers, particularly recently, is that these days it is a vocation they choose because they love child development. There are lots of ways in which they can further develop their qualifications (Os key carere has just done a degree in Child development)and many of them do. The nursery my boys go to gives them a great start in their learning journey and focuses on developing the children's ability to be the best they can be through play. I sat down yesterday with DS1 s key worker to talk about how I could give him what they do when I have him at home with me as I am worried I will not be doing the structured kind of learning they do and the stuff she told me was all well thought out and all focused on getting them ready for school.

My nursery workers, anyway, get a big up from me, they work really hard and I know must do a lot of planning in their own time.

I will get off my box now.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 10-Aug-13 06:46:48

fatima but you have your little family. (((hugs)))) <chucks over quiche fish>

Anyway, it was a packing box I was on just now btw. I will go back under them. Running out of steam for packing now. [ shrivelled up Thomas emoticon]

It has been a tough two days. Me and DH at the peak of stress and. Neither of us are really stressy people. I think we might be popping out the other side but I reserve judgement.

I could cry at a moments notice.

ChasingDaisy Sat 10-Aug-13 07:26:17

sophia that is lovely to hear about your nursery workers smile Really restores my faith in them.

And go easy on yourself, you are facing a massive upheaval so it is bound to be stressful xx

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 10-Aug-13 07:51:13

Aren't you on the move soon?

ChasingDaisy Sat 10-Aug-13 08:08:50

2 weeks and 6 days to go smile

Pikz Sat 10-Aug-13 08:30:58

Sophia sending you hugs and lots of packing pixies to help.

brew For the bad nights

Loving being home... He slept 8-5.30 which is a huge improvement on the last few nights and I finally feel a little human and he can crawl and pull himself up to his hearts content.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 10-Aug-13 09:54:27

I love Saturday morning cleaning while DH takes DD1 out to the shops, and Saturday Kitchen on the TV.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 10-Aug-13 10:05:13

Morning all,

Sorry it's made you feel a bit shit fatima. I don't keep in contact with anyone from school. My BFF I met in college and I know I'll never lose touch with her. I'm a lot different now than I was at school but my BFF have grown together. Some friendships aren't strong enough to last through the changes we all go through. My DH keeps in touch with a lot of his school friends and they are such a tight lovely group. I sometimes wish I had that but then I think of all the lovely friends I do have and count myself lucky.

sophia happy packing.

We are going to view a house this afternoon. It's on the same road as the house we attempted to by earlier in the year. It's not being actively marketed yet so are getting in there first. I'm already in love with it but am scared I'm setting myself up for yet more disappointment. Still what will be will be and all that crap!

Then off to a bar in London for a friends 40th must stay away from the wine, repeat to fade.

Have a good day y'all.

I loathe diet soft drinks as well! When MIL goes to watch DH play cricket she always packs a picnic and offers me a drink. It's either diet fanta, diet vimto or diet 7up. They all taste rank. The only diet drink I like is diet coke and I'm going off that. I had a 7up free thing from boots the other day, it's was seriously horrible.

Kyz Sat 10-Aug-13 10:35:04

Morning all, fucking nackered sad every hour between 2 and 7, not had that for a long while!

daisy I do have diet drinks/juice instead and have cut down on sugar in my coffees. I need to make bigger changes I think.

I'd love to move pr and a job in animal care would suit me down to the ground smile I think because of my degree though I'm overqualified for basic roles but have no experience for the higher type thingies.

You do have friends fatima, the quiche! Glad you survived, well done!

pp I'd love to cut the crap, if it were that easy for me, I'd do it. And I know it's because I am rubbish and have no willpower sad

Oh sophia moving is stressful anyway, but you're moving really far away and your life will be changing drastically!

FC re the house eliza smile

Passmethecrisps Sat 10-Aug-13 11:10:09

Sorry! Running in for a quick rant!

We were looking forward to a peaceful weekend together before I start back at work on Monday. Well, i called my mum the other day for a chat and told her this. She asked would it be ok if she and dad came to visit.

Now I haven't seen my parents for ages so I said that this was fine thinking we would still have the other day of the weekend.

I got in touch with my mum on Thursday asking what day they would be visiting and she told me that they had booked a hotel and would be staying all weekend.

DH started to look a bit cross at this but we both agreed that my mum has had a rubbish time recently so it would be nice. There will be other weekends.

I texted my mum this morning asking if they could give us a rough time of arrival. She responded saying that some relatives were in town currently so they will be seeing them first before heading up. No clue about when this will be.

So basically we now have to hang about all morning with no idea when they will decide to leave. Mum has form for texting us 3/4 of the way through the journey basically giving us little notice. We can't book anywhere for lunch. I have no idea when will be best to put P down for her nap. I have no idea what their thoughts are for this evening. It drives me mad.

They did this the last time they came up. Apparently they were up for visit us but would mill around all morning giving absolutely no indication when they would hove to at ours. I have no issue with them taking their time or being relaxed but surely some indication of an arrival time is just manners?

They are lovely my mum and dad and my poor mum has been through the ringer. But aaaargh!

YellowWellies Sat 10-Aug-13 11:32:46

Pass go out for lunch - leave a note on the door saying where you are / mobile details. That'll learn them wink

YellowWellies Sat 10-Aug-13 11:35:13

I don't touch diet anything food and drink-wise. They're chock full of artificial sweeteners which actually make the body crave sugar. I don't know anyone slim who eats 'diet' foods / drinks - the only folks I do know who consume them are the ones perennially yo-yo dieting.

ChasingDaisy Sat 10-Aug-13 11:43:48

IMO the key to sustainable weight loss is a healthy diet and lifestyle, rather than a 'diet'. The mantra I try to live by is to make the healthy choice each time you choose something to eat. So just take it one meal/snack at a time and always have healthy options to hand. Nuts and dried fruit are a good snack.

ChasingDaisy Sat 10-Aug-13 11:44:32

In another life I would love to be a nutritionist.

Passmethecrisps Sat 10-Aug-13 11:52:03

Apparently the relies who they were seeing for 5 minutes have just left nearly two hours later. Still no idea if they have actually left.

They will arrive, we will drink coffee and eat biscuits and it will all be fine.

Lily311 Sat 10-Aug-13 11:53:26

O is so cute today, I think she finally started to think about moving. She tries moving her fat legs but they don't always respond :-).

We are off to a food festival this afternoon, nom nom.

StuntNun Sat 10-Aug-13 12:06:05

Bad Izzy has seduced me and another quichette into buying wraps. I can't wait to try them out (don't tell my DH!)

I'm very much of the opinion that diet drinks aren't good for you. There are studies that suggest that diet drinks may make you more hungry. What there isn't, is any studies to show that diet drinks help you lose weight. Not one study showing a benefit! I think eating normal foods is they way forward. My granny was a die-hard meat and two veg meal planner and she was slim for her whole life. If she bought a Mars Bar then she would eat a quarter of it for dessert and save the rest. She knew how to satisfy her sweet tooth without going to excess. If something has a lot of ingredients you can't pronounce then don't eat it.

Passmethecrisps Sat 10-Aug-13 12:17:18

As an avid not fizzy drink drinker I do have a positive experience of moving from normal to diet.

We had a child at school who drank at least 4 litres of full fat coke a day. The only change she made to her diet was changing that to diet as her family wouldn't support her desire to lose weight (she weighed in stones the same as her age). She lost 2 stones in one month. And kept it off.

StuntNun Sat 10-Aug-13 12:28:30

Four litres Pass? Diet or sugary drinks she'll have no teeth by the time she's 18!

Passmethecrisps Sat 10-Aug-13 12:33:14

I know! Poor soul was pretty desperate in many ways.

Passmethecrisps Sat 10-Aug-13 12:33:41

One of the two litre bottles was breakfast, I remember