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November 2012 - Next stage car seats and yet more teething

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StuntNun Sun 28-Jul-13 19:14:25
TheDetective Sun 28-Jul-13 21:30:43

Fucking teething angry.

And fucking expensive car seats angry again!

ChasingDaisy Sun 28-Jul-13 22:02:25


Pikz Sun 28-Jul-13 22:07:57

Det I concur!!!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 28-Jul-13 22:36:52

Fucking insomnia.

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 28-Jul-13 22:48:40

Can I still join this thread even though there will probably be at least another 20 threads before E goes into her next stage car seat?

StuntNun Sun 28-Jul-13 22:54:31

Eliza it'll be a while before J is into his too but I managed to get a cheap one from Kiddicare in a sale. grin It's now taking up valuable space in J's room. hmm

I can't believe I had to buy more car seats actually. We had loads from our first two kids but apparently they have expiry dates so J got all new ones.

daisychain76 Sun 28-Jul-13 22:59:05

Stunt l have never heard of expiry dates for car seats <psnics> where do you find this out?

fruitpastilles Sun 28-Jul-13 23:06:46

Lots of teething going on and still no teeth grrrrr! I'm not looking forward to buying the next stage car seat, is it just me or does anyone else feel overwhelmingly responsible when choosing things like this?

MissMummy1 Sun 28-Jul-13 23:10:46

See what I did?! grin grin grin

fruitpastilles Sun 28-Jul-13 23:12:21

Good finish mm I had just typed out my post and lost it, luckily it was nice and short.

My friend that I have known since I was 11 done the same with S's christening, she txt me to say she was taking her little sisters to Cadbury world, she had double booked, I couldn't believe it, Cadbury world isn't going anywhere but S only gets christened once.

TheDetective Sun 28-Jul-13 23:13:45

I have just read a review of my pushchair. I say review, it has pictures and review periodically from the first 6 months.

Baby is Oscar. Born end of October. So I was like, awwww how cute. He has the same pushchair.

Then I read the review and face palmed.

The woman is thick. So many things. First of all, she reckoned at 24lb and 6 months he had outgrown the seat. I still have the newborn insert in O's seat, and he isn't small FFS!

Anyway, I digress. When looking at car seats, I thought that about the expiry date thing. I mean, what is the point in getting a group 1/2/3 seat that lasts up to 12 or whatever, when it should be replaced long before then?!

YellowWellies Sun 28-Jul-13 23:38:44

Good finish MM and I'm another who'd never heard of car seat expiry dates....

Checking in, missed the whole end of the last thread.

Ms sleep is wearing me out, tonight it's actually making me feel ill. Well I don't know ir I'm feeling ill already and the lack of sleep isn't helping. But I hate it when I feel like this, I'm shattered and awake in the middle of the night and it makes me feel panicky ill.
It took until 10pm to get M to sleep and I ended up feeding to sleep. Swore that if she woke, I would only cuddle and put back down until at least 4hre after sleep. She just woke after 2.5hrs and after picking up, rocking etc I've ended up just sticking my boob in her mouth to get her back to sleep. There's no way she should need boob after only 2.5 hours sad
DHs snoring is annoying me and he's hardly making a noise and it feels like my sleep and dreams are blending in to my awakeness, hard to describe but I just feel yucky and anxious ill.

I don't really expect you all to do anything, just wanted to write it down for an anxiety release. Hopefully make me feel better.

She's now asleep again so I'm going to attempt some more sleep

itsnotyouitsMeals Mon 29-Jul-13 01:11:39

Hugs Fatima. Hope you get some sleep. Night from Oxford!

StuntNun Mon 29-Jul-13 01:31:18

Detective from about four my DS1 and DS2 ended up in booster seats anyway.

Some car seats have an expiry date printed on them, otherwise it's six years. I have a 6.5 year gap between DS2 and J so none of the ones we had for DS2 are still usable. It's to do with degradation of the plastic. In the event if an accident the car seat is subject to high forces and the straps can break out of the seat. There's a scary crash test video on YouTube where you see the dummy fly right out of the seat. It does depend on where the seat has been stored. If it has been in a loft or car then it has been subjected to thermal stress, if it has been at a consistent temperature then the plastic won't have degraded at fast. I have to say I was a bit skeptical that this was a licence to print money way to sell more car seats until I asked my mum to check DS1's baby seat which was ten years old. When she took it out of the loft the straps pulled right out of the body of the car seat by hand, the plastic crumbled around the attachment point.

StuntNun Mon 29-Jul-13 05:22:12

It's quiet tonight. J is on his third feed of the night. He keeps waking up and squealing. I have no idea how DH is going to be able to manage at work tomorrow.

ChasingDaisy Mon 29-Jul-13 05:29:44

Second feed here, well I say feed, he is only having water this time. He keeps waking himself up by getting into daft positions in his cot.

YellowWellies Mon 29-Jul-13 05:38:19

First feed but he had 3 wake ups which DH handled before we went to bed. No idea why - regression or teething are my catch alls!

Brockle Mon 29-Jul-13 05:43:43

I fly 2000 miles and you have gone through 2 threads? smile

car seats. hmm. we have a lovely britax first class but its approaching six years. grrr. may get DH to stress test it! both my big boys are in booster seats. a friend of my mums tried to buy a boisterous seat in mothercare and was told that they would become illegal under new car seat laws so she bought one if those big seats up to 12 years hmm as far ad I know that is bollocks so mothercare are either crap or sheisters grin

well we are here in middle east and SIL is a million times nicer than in the past. she has converted and it has really suited her. still mad that between us we have six boys at eight and under. you can imagine the madness in the paddling pool grin grin

Y was a total whinge bag mama obsessed grumpy pants the first two days but then he cut two teeth and is now charming everyone in sight.

however he wakes up two hours earlier than everyone else. he goes down for his nap when everyone wakes up. yawn.
presents - well Y has loads of stuff from boys. we need a top up of jigsaw puzzles and want a new ride on for him. trying to justify the vtech zebra but its a bit too much. we got ds1 a trike with a parent handle from Elc. eight years later and its still going strong. Y will be its fourth owner as its currently with his cousin.

may take a trip for the millionth time to see where baby Jesus was born. I will try to take one of those tacky pics with Y sat on the spot. bye! xx

Pikz Mon 29-Jul-13 05:55:37

Right epic drive to holland time.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 29-Jul-13 05:59:29

Good luck pikz

Pikz Mon 29-Jul-13 06:49:15

Thanks Sophia how you feeling my lovely?

Left over toast chicken sandwiches to sustain us. Nom.

Passmethecrisps Mon 29-Jul-13 07:22:16

More travels pikz! Good luck.

Have a nice time brockle - sounds like happy chaos.

How are you doing today mm?

YW I am also using the teething catch all. Last night was the third night in a row p has woken fully and needed settling. Although last night was 10 minutes rather than an hour so much better.

How are you this morning fatima? Your post made me feel terrible for you - I know what you mean by feeling anxious sick. Horrible.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 07:22:33

Enjoy Holland pikz Don't smoke too much weed.
Enjoy the Middle East Brockle

I have had my worst night's sleep in forever. Was in bed at half past nine as tired. DD1 messed us around for a while but was asleep by 11. I was still awake when LO stirred at 1 (though I left her to do it and she didn't cry, just sang for a while and went back to sleep). Then went into that kind of fitful delirious sleep where you wake up every few minutes, unsure what is real and what isn't. Then DD1 needed the loo at 4 which has never happened before, but anyway. And I have been wide awake since then apart from a brielf moment when I fell asleep just before LO and DH woke for the day.

And what was I thinking of all night? Work.

Passmethecrisps Mon 29-Jul-13 07:26:58

Are there any more uppababy vista users on the thread? I know cacacaz and izzy use them but I don't know if they are reading. Anyway, det reminded me about the newborn insert. P has been in her seat for ages but she still seems much too small for it and it doesn't seem very comfy. I was wondering if getting the insert was worth it. Apparently it last over 20Ib. Might help her sleep in it if it is comfier.

We are off to seem lovely pal in Edinburgh today. Torn between taking very small set of wheels with car seat for ease of train journey and big set of wheels for ease of all the paraphernalia I need to take!

Passmethecrisps Mon 29-Jul-13 07:29:12

Sounds awful PR. Hope the kids are kind to you today.

Donnadoon Mon 29-Jul-13 07:35:47

Morning everyone dd is in an isofix from halfords £89 no idea of brand though, DH bought it and its ace, proper sturdy and snug.
Got my 1st midwife appointment this morning because I'm 10 weeks, it's going to be very weird walking into that room with dd in pushchair, got no choice but to take her, but I can't believe she is going to be a big sister!
She is only a little dot herself!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 29-Jul-13 07:38:42

Much better thanks pikz a bit bruised still I will stay of work till we'd or thurs I think, but think I'm recovering quite well, prob thanks to,lads of rest over the weekend. DH will be back at work today but I have a friend coming in and then tomorrow the boys will be in nursery so I an have a v quiet day.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 29-Jul-13 07:43:02

Hugs for fatima and pr sounds like you both had stressful nights. brew perhaps pass could whizz up a superior coffee in her fancy coffee maker?

Cacacaz Mon 29-Jul-13 07:57:36

Pass is that the insert for the pushchair part of the vista? If so, then we are using it. It seems more comfortable, so we haven't taken it out.

Kyzordz Mon 29-Jul-13 08:13:14

morning all. qq, e was sick at 4am and had a really runny dirty nappy then one like water at 4 but no temp (it's a bit low actually) but he drank his bottle fine just now (he woke late) and seems totally fine. do I just see how he is?

as for the nature of the fred, e still has no teefs! also going to look at car seats at Halfords I think. I'm not keen on ours and I've no idea how good it is, it's a babyweavers thing from kiddi care.

oh lovely, eric is singing screeching

brew for the bad nights sad pr hope today isn't a difficult one

hope you did manage some sleep fatima

hope you have a lovely time brockle!

good luck pikz

hope you have a nice day pass

hope the appt goes well donna

glad you are recovering well sophia

Thanks everyone! I did manage some sleep but could have done with more. Sorry for the whingey nature of my middle of the night post, just sometimes feel like I'm losing it in the early hours.
pass I think it was you that sympathised before when I was going through the 4 months sleep regression and feeling ill with it. It really does feel horrible but I find it hard to explain. I kept nudging DH for making too much noise snoring but he wasn't even snoring, it was sleep blending in to wake making me feel a bit out of it.
pr seems like you we're suffering from similar shite sleep sad hugs from me

M woke again at 5, so only 3 hours again. I left her though, well I was too tired to get up. But she must have self-settled. She then woke at half 6 so DH got her, she fed and fell asleep and we had to wake her to put her in the car. She's now at MIL, starting to get her used to being without me before I go back to work. She's only there till lunch though but gives me time to do some jobs and enjoy a brew in peace and catch up on the thread

Does anyone have any advice for sleep training? I've told Dh he's going to have to have some sleepless nights to help me because it's making me feel ill.
I go back to work three weeks today so could really do with her going to bed at a descent time and hopefully just one wake up before then, ha ha fat chance. We're going camping on Thursday-Sunday so is it worth trying anything before then?

Car seat wise, M is still in her cabriofix and at only 8kg, will be for a while. I think we'll get to at least one with it, if not 15 months. Then possibly ERF, I quite like the new maxi cosi ERF or the britax one that's coming out but don't know how far our budget will stretch. If not it will be something isofix and maxi cosi probably.
She has a Britax First Class for MILs car although it hasn't been used yet.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 29-Jul-13 08:54:10

Quick post.... kyz I'd just see how he is. With no temp or loss of appetite its likely just to be an odd sickness that babies do occasionally. If he doesn't do it again I wouldn't worry x

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 29-Jul-13 09:13:06

kyz agree with * eliza*, as long as he is drinking and is hydrated and seems himself don't worry, though is really runny nappies continue for over 24 hours a quick trip to the dr.

fatima ( disclaimer all my children are loosely Gina Forded) I always find if you can sort out the days then the nights follow. We had a wobble last week with O he wasn't settling at night so I reviewed where I was in his routines. He is now going down for a morning nap at 09:00- 9:45 lunch at 11:30 -12:00 then bed for 2 hours at the most, up milk, tea at 5 milk at 6:30 and then bed. No afternoon nap after the lunch time one. This is sometimes quite hard to achieve as he gets a bit grumpy late afternoon but we just entertain him or give him a small snack. Once he is sleeping longer in the morning it should level out but it has sorted his settling at night, pretty much straightaway. Xx

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 09:25:17

Just marking, and to say to Stunt... Thank you for that tip :-) and thank you again for sorting a new thread x

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 09:27:14

Sophia is that not a bit too early to be going back to work? I thought you had finished up anyway.

PurplePidjin Mon 29-Jul-13 09:31:44

Went down at 6:50. Quick resettle at 8. Woke at 12:15, dp did 15 then he slept restlessly for 10 then i got him down in 10, so 1am. Quick resettle at 2. Woke at 3:50 and needed water, nappy change - first dirty one at night in months - teething gel and calpol to be back down at 5. Woke at 6:40 so a lie in!

Apart from the big 3:50 one, he shouted but wasn't upset iykwim. No rooting etc so i think he wakes and is pissed off not to be asleep. But shoving the dummy in and cuddling seems enough for now!

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 09:32:33

If anyone is looking for a play tunnel then I heartily recommend the ikea one. We had others that broke in minutes, but this one is indestructible even having been used in the garden and left out in a storm.

StuntNun Mon 29-Jul-13 09:38:29

wink VQ!

Kyz my biggest recommendation for a car seat is make sure you get one that reclines. Then when they fall asleep in the car they can lie back a bit. With DS1 I got one of those 9 months to 12 year car seats and when he fell asleep in it he ended up slumped forward against the straps with his head lolling around which didn't look very comfortable. Also when he was four he asked for a 'big boy car seat' so we ended up getting a booster and not using the big car seat for the whole time anyway.

Sleep has been pretty awful here too, J was up for three feeds last night which seems totally unnecessary. He's 8.5 months and 20 lb, I really think he should be able to go longer than 2.5 hours at night now. I'm doing as Sophia suggests, working on the daytime naps (I put him down at 9ish and 12ish and let him sleep as long as he wants) in the hope that he nights will sort themselves out. I'm undecided whether the dream feed actually makes his sleep worse or doesn't make any difference. I'm certainly not convinced it's helping at all. Where I'm having more trouble is with his milk feeds. Sometimes I get the feeling I'm annoying him by feeding him when what he really wants is to go to sleep. And messing around with the gaviscon is a bit of a pain as well as sometimes he drinks the gaviscon but then refuses the breast. My mum keeps going on about switching him to formula but he doesn't really seem to like formula at all. It would make it easier to give him his meds and vitamins though and I would be able to eat eggs again.

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 10:03:04

Stunt I wonder if it is time to swap to ff too. I think it would help on many levels and he would drink it if no other option. Would he be able to have regular formula or would he need Nutrimigen type formula? I think you need the chance to rest, and not bfing would give you more physical resources, plus it would help identify the allergens, exclude them more effectively, and help with the treatment of reflux.

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 10:06:25

As of next year children over 4 will needs high back booster. The seat-only units will no longer be sold or legal. Backs will be available to buy for some seats like graco. I think if there is no room for the back, like if there are two other seats in the car already, then that is ok to have just the seat bit.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 10:32:37

How do people manage with three car seats? We have two and there is no space for a passenger between them, though I managed to wedge myself in there once, I wasn't able to put on a seat belt. There would definitely be no space for a 3rd seat.

Kyzordz Mon 29-Jul-13 10:41:03

Thanks all, I'll just keep am eye on his nappies then and hope its just a one off sickness thingy.

I also agree its best to sort daytime naps first, and stunt I think I'd seriously consider ff in your situation too. I'm all for breast feeding but wouldn't manage as you have on little sleep etc sad

Thank you for the car seat advice too stunt would definitely get a reclining one!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 29-Jul-13 10:45:51

vq I finish on 9 th Aug. do you tank it is too early? DH thinks I should take all of this week off ie Tues Wed Thurs. I had said to my boss I would take each day as it comes and not commit to anything for this week. So I was going to decide at the end of each day. The bruising has come out now and it looks a bit vom.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 29-Jul-13 10:48:11

pr is imposs with three seats. As both the girls were just in regular booster I swapped one of them for a bubble bum which is narrower for when we have three seats in the back of the car. Or get a new car!

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 29-Jul-13 10:51:16

pr I guess it depends what car you have. I can fit a passenger in the middle at the back but I doubt I could fit another car seat there. So I guess if I were to have a third I'd need a new car. I nearly bought a car with 7 seats and I wish I had now as I could go on trips out with my sis and niece but never mind. My sis can drive, she's just a bit nervy about it.

StuntNun Mon 29-Jul-13 10:54:13

Really VQ? I thought they were being phased in more gradually than that so it was only children that were 4 that would be affected. I wonder how that will affect my DS2 who is 7. We have two high back boosters but they are more than six years old however DS2 would be strapped in using the car seat belt so in the event of an accident there wouldn't be the issue of the straps potentially breaking through the plastic. DS1 is creeping ever closer to 135 cm so hopefully he won't need to be in a car seat much longer.

I had to buy a bigger car PR! My S-Max comfortably fits three full size car seats in the middle row which was the main reason for getting it. Plus there's a spare seat for DC4 if that ever happens! grin

I'm actually fine with continuing to bf indefinitely but I am under pressure from DM and DH other people and that insidious question: So how long are you planning to bf for? At the start I was aiming for 6 months exclusively bf, to at least one year with mixed feeding and stopping completely around 18 months. DS1 and DS2 lost interest self-weaned at 8 and 9 months respectively so I think it's best to be led by J. I am considering trying to introduce a bottle of formula each day but that would be more for helping with the sleeping issues by making sure J can have a substantial bedtime feed and I can have wine than for my own sake. If J seemed to like formula then it would be different but he'll only reluctantly take an ounce or two.

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 11:05:06

PR you just need to buy a bigger car. We have a Touran and we have two huge maxi Cosi seats by the doors and a high back booster in the middle. Thankfully DD1 is a little waif so can squeeze through. I would not fancy the chances of an adult getting in there. We have two seats in the boot but if up then there is no room for a pushchair. Useful for emergencies though.

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 11:08:20

Sophia I think it is too soon. I thought it was 2 weeks recovery. What did they advise you? I guess they didn't. People think it is a little op but it is actually quite a significant one and you need to heal properly. Not just the skin but the bits inside. You do not want adhesions or internal bleeding x

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 11:13:50

Stunt that was what the bloke in halfords told me on Saturday. I would be happy to use a booster older than 6 years due to it being the seatbelt holding them in.

We have thrown away all our old infant seats even though they were spotless as they are too old to even give away. I cut the straps and removed the covers so the tip rats would not be tempted to sell them on.

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 11:15:58

I am in soft play heaven. Yes heaven as I only have the girls with me. Daddy has taken J into town so it is me and two happy screaming girls. Bliss! It is amazing the more kids you have, just having one less to deal with seems really easy smile

YellowWellies Mon 29-Jul-13 11:16:34

Stunt I'm getting that question a lot too! And the 'oh you've done ever so well' / 'given it a good go' etc comments which whilst well meaning do undermine BF as they imply BF is hard or an ordeal or something to be endured with gritted teeth rather than enjoyed - this creates a vicious circle as society thinks BF is difficult and women lose confidence in their bodies - and given BF is 95% a mental game - loss of confidence is often terminal for establishing it. I think these comments usually come from those who struggled to establish BF and assume that all BF is like the difficult and painful first few days of BF. When I wean in October I'm only doing so because I want chocolate (and to try for baby no. 2) I'll miss it dreadfully and I think Jonas will too. It's such a simple calm time of the day when I BF him to sleep. The thought makes me sad sad but I'll be honest I'm going to wean for selfish reasons not because it's been a torturous process.

I spoke too soon on him being cool after his missed meds - apparently it takes 24-48 hours before it impacts via an acid uptick - he's been a screamy munchkin today as a result. Sneezes, any loud noise = weeping hysterics when only being in my arms will do confused It's going to be a long day.

itsnotyouitsMeals Mon 29-Jul-13 11:42:37

yw I know you want the cheese and chocolate (me too!) but I conceived while bfing and fed all through pregnancy. However you may not want to do that or tandem feed and also I wanted a much bigger gap so DD1 was just over 2 when I got DD2's bfp. Just a thought. And stunt I know it's hard when you are getting pressie but go for it I say! Bf as long as you want. I fed DD1 for too long in the end I think (3.5 and she would still like to keep going!) but I was aiming for 2.

itsnotyouitsMeals Mon 29-Jul-13 11:43:23

Pressure not pressie!

YellowWellies Mon 29-Jul-13 11:48:12

Meals I would happily tandem feed other than it can cause uterine contractions and seems to have been what made my twin sister go into labour at 27 weeks. Given Jonas turned up at 36 weeks I'm already nervous of early labour. It seems to be something my family does (I'm a 34 weeker)....

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 12:02:34

DH's car is a vw tiguan which looks big from the outide but is surprisingly comfy on the inside. It's a company car and is being upgraded to an audi a6 estate in November angry which I hate the idea of but may be roomier. I wanted him to go for a touran. I've got a yaris which I love but is quite compact. Was a hypothetical question really I doubt I will need a third car seat.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 29-Jul-13 12:03:59

They didn't say anything vq I haven't even got a discharge letter I realised yesterday, but I'm sure I can give them a ring if I need one, I know a lady who works there. I am just going with how I feel and then adding a bit of caution as I tend to think I am ok,which I am sitting around, then do too much then feel rubbish. So I won't do that this time.

I am not taking any pain killers now as I don't need them I just feel sore, not painful. I take your point though about the insides. You don't know what's going on in there. ( they took a picture of it ewwww, I saw my Fallopian tubes hmm )

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 12:26:03

After a quick google the NHS advice is return to work 5-7 days post-op Sophia. Clearly I am a softie. I would still advise take all this week off. It is not as if you get much of a chance to rest. Make the best of it I say smile

Lily311 Mon 29-Jul-13 12:41:22

I managed to reserve the car seat det got in halfords, the last one in the store my brother is closed to. Still cheaper to send it to Hungary than buying it here.

I have an assignment due tomorrow aBout babies' first words, it is so interesting to read the material as they are at that stage when they are starting to Babble. O is bang on track. But obv this means I have just started reading the martial and will need to stay awake all night. Argh.

TheDetective Mon 29-Jul-13 13:22:07

Afternoon! smile

Good stuff Lily. They went fast! Thank you Pidj, hope you've got yours now!

DP has taken O to soft play grin. Apparently he is making all the other children and parents laugh with his escaping antics hmm grin.

He looks so cute in his little dungerees today, I'll take a pic later. The colours really suit him!

I'm enjoying the time to myself. But no idea what to do. So I'm sat on the laptop hmm.

TheDetective Mon 29-Jul-13 13:23:59

I forgot to add O woke regularly all flippin' night long, but self settled them all hmm til 6.20. DP fed him, and put him to play in his cot. I suspect he might have gone back to sleep for a little while as it was after 7.30 before he cried to get up shock.

I'm really not sure why his sleep is so restless. <Scratches head>.

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 13:47:39

Did you look at that website Detective? I got 7 pairs of PJs for gifts too. You just cannot beat One Direction for 7yo girls.

I am feeling exceedingly anxious this afternoon. Absolutely horrid feeling. Soft play went horribly wrong when DH called asking me to pick him and J up, so I had to get the girls without the usual countdown, DD2 then told me she had done a poo, then I got lost, then DH nearly crashed the car. Grr. It was going so well. I should have just said no to him.

TheDetective Mon 29-Jul-13 14:04:56

I did VQ! I've not ordered yet, as trying to work out if there is anything else I want too! Like you say... good cheap christmas presents there!

Most Men always fuck everything up....

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 14:17:10

J looks so grown up in his car seat smile and he looks chuffed to fuck to be in it.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 14:44:31

I love the way my girls are starting to communicate with each other now. When DD1 isn't slyly trying to inflict some sort of pain on LO they are really very sweet laughing together.

Four weeks til nursery starts. Four weeks til I shed tears of... Joy grin

Actually I will be very upset when it comes to it. Despite DD1 being a little monster it has been fun watching her turn into one. She was an angel until LO was born. Plus nursery should coincide with major mobility as far as LO is concerned and I'm quite glad I won't have to keep an eye on both at once all day every day. Though, like with DD1, I know I will probably miss her first steps and her first words even. And probably she will finally get the knack of crawling once there and more interesting things happen.

I wonder how my DH will cope with getting them both up, fed, washed, dressed and out of the house every morning (I normally leave for work at about half six in order to be able to leave work early to get them in the evening; but of course all that might have changed by then)

I am also feeling anxious this afternoon vq I am expecting some kind of answer today or tomorrow from work, hoping to get the chance to go to the doctor tnight if DH can get home on time because I really need some kind of sleeping pill or tranqs or ads, and seeing my gastro consultant later in the week, and haven't seen him since I had the awful stomach issues and I think it is going to freak me out a little, even though he is lovely etc and, saved my life so very much in my good books.

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 15:08:20

Do prioritise seeing the Dr PR x

PurplePidjin Mon 29-Jul-13 15:11:21

I got it. Well, sort of...

Drove 50 miles to Portsmouth, asked for it at the desk... They couldn't find it. Looked again, nada. So we waited, they discussed, looked on the computer...

And gave us an ex-display one in a current colour for the £50 grin

Apparently the nearest was going to be High Wycombe or Kidderminster shock

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 15:27:10

I would vq but I am not going with the girls, so am at the mercy of my DH's workload. He has already had to take too luch time off this year for bits and pieces and is running low on half days. Though I suppose he could take some unpaid leave, but until I am back at work we can't really afford it. The Dr is there from 5-7 in the evenings so if he could just get back for half 6 that would be just enough time. Everything would be so much easier if I could sleep a little. Since this whole thing started back in MARCH it has been hard for me to relax. Even less so since it all kicked off in May.

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 15:34:27

I am just worried about you x I understand the pressures you are under (hug)

TheDetective Mon 29-Jul-13 15:44:30

I understand PR. Fellow insomniac here. Mine is due to night disturbance though, rather than stress. When I did nights then days I had the same problem as I have had recently.

Currently not having a problem, but it's only been about 2 weeks.

If O slept in the night more reliably, I'd be okay. Dreading going back to work and doing 2 weeks of days and 2 weeks of nights all mixed up in a 4 week period. Fucking cunts.

I'm going to be properly screwed.

Pidj I'd have been shaking with rage if they had done that to us! Good fucking job they gave you that seat though. It's one of my massive bug bears, companies that say they have stock, so you travel a long way for it, to find out they have sold it to someone else. hmm

I made DP ring up to check and he was only traveling 5 minutes down the road! blush

TheDetective Mon 29-Jul-13 15:45:16

Have you tried anything to break the cycle? Medication wise I mean.

PurplePidjin Mon 29-Jul-13 15:50:23

Rage? They were really nice about it! No point getting arsey when calm and friendly gets such good results <mwahahaha>

TheDetective Mon 29-Jul-13 15:51:04

Internal rage!! What would you have done if they hadn't sorted it?!

That's what gives me the rage!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 15:56:03

No you can't get anything effective otc here, and anyway I only take stuff on prescription because of my stomach. And I have had very little opportunity to go to the Dr because is out of the house so much. I am on my own here 13-15 hours every day. He's been doing more so that he will be able to do less once I have rtw without feeling bad about it.

TheDetective Mon 29-Jul-13 15:56:13

I just need to let a little something out.

A colleague has just posted on FB pictures and a birth announcement. She has had a homebirth this morning. A large number of my colleagues were there at her home. Pics show her in her pool and my colleagues around her.

I can't explain how I feel fully, but was okay with O's birth, the way it turned out at the time. But right now I just feel complete envy and sadness that 1) she had her home water birth and 2) so many of my colleagues were there with her, in a friendship capacity.

Feeling very lonely, isolated, and shit at life right now!

I know it's silly, and no need to reply. I'll get over it!

And just ignore the fact that this same person didn't even consider having a home birth until a few weeks ago and she laughed and scorned me for mine.


fruitpastilles Mon 29-Jul-13 16:48:59

I hope you manage to get to the drs pr

I still haven't taken S to a soft play, is there much for babies to do there? I thought it was just for older children.

I have just given S scrambled egg again, the first time she had it she come up in a rash all around her mouth, she has since had egg in banana muffins and she was fine. She has come out in a rash again. I thought she would be ok been as she was ok with the muffins. I feel awful now hmm I have given her some piriton though.

StuntNun Mon 29-Jul-13 16:57:22

Fruit some people can have thoroughly cooked egg, e.g. cake, but not softly cooked egg, i.e. scrambled, fried, boiled, mayonnaise.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 17:00:09

detective <hugs>

I don't think i'll get to the Dr today DH is still at work and won't be home on time.

Maybe tomorrow.

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 17:00:58

Detective, I bet she did not have a thread named after her though x

fruitpastilles Mon 29-Jul-13 17:01:10

That must be the case with S. The reaction has gone again now, it went as quickly as it come, but that might ave been because of the piriton.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 17:06:54

fruit did she get any of it on her face? I ask because when LO smears tomato sauce and several other foods actually over her face, ie puts her hands in it then wipes her brow, she gets a rash where it goes. But it disappears within a couple of hours, and she doesn't seem any the worse for it.

fruitpastilles Mon 29-Jul-13 17:10:51

Yes pr she had it all by her nose which was all red as well, she's fine, it hasn't bothered her at all. She had a drink of water that she brought straight back up but apart from that she's ok.

YellowWellies Mon 29-Jul-13 17:15:17

Good news on the car seats PP, VQ.

Hope you get to the docs soon PR.

Wah fruit we've just had a similar experience thanks to Asda bakery's fuckmunch employees - their garlic bread that's dairy and soy free - not last week thanks to a labeling error angry angry angry angry Me and my sister were wondering why Jonas' and Willow's sleep had been so bad, and why they seemed so refluxy. Isolated it to that garlic bread, asked in the store and got a blush staff member. Apologies are all fine in our case but jeez some folks have anaphylactic reactions to dairy.

We had our new fridge freezer delivered and installed today. The delivery lads were cooing over the bear who put on a theatrical lunchtime show of cooing, gooing, roaring, babbling, farting and a bit of eating for them. They reckoned he could be a baby model I told Jonas they probably say that to all the babies wink . I do love big auld blokes who coo over babies like mother hens - it makes me smile

YellowWellies Mon 29-Jul-13 17:24:29

Det sad I can totally get how you're feeling about your colleague's birth experience. Third time lucky maybe? FC for you when you try again.

fruitpastilles Mon 29-Jul-13 17:26:41

yw that's terrible, fucking idiots, some people just don't realise the importance of labelling things properly.

S has just crawled in between the chair and the wall and got herself stuck, she was so cute whimpering for me to help her out, I half wanted to leave her there haha.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 17:34:21

Fingers crossed if he puts his foot on it he should be through the door soon. And I am ready to go...

StuntNun Mon 29-Jul-13 18:53:42

Fuck fuck fuck. J just choked on a piece of plastic. He was eating dinner so I thought it was a bit of food stuck but it was a piece of wrapper. DS1 had dropped a bit of plastic on the floor. DH put J on the floor to play and I said, watch out there's a piece of plastic on the floor. DH took it off him and I went off to make dinner so I'm not sure how he got it again. Bloody careless DH. I keep having to take guitar picks and coins off J. Now I'm having flashbacks to the time DS2 choked on a 20p piece. He came so close to dying it was pure chance that he survived. Now I'm terrified of anyone choking.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 29-Jul-13 18:58:04

I have just picked an emerald up from out of the carpet grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 29-Jul-13 18:58:37

A craft one. biscuit

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 19:13:33

YW a letter to head office? Might get vouchers and an assurance they will take things more seriously in the future.

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 19:16:02

Gosh Stunt. Even my 3yo knows small things must be kept away from J. Your DH needs a good telling off. Hope you are feeling a bit calmer now and J is ok x

StuntNun Mon 29-Jul-13 19:44:19

J is fine thanks VQ. He was very upset at the time, frightened and screaming. It's only me that was traumatised and that's due to DS2's incident years ago when he was a toddler which was really serious. I'm very pissed of that DH took the plastic away from J (it was on the floor close to him so he hadn't actually got to it at that point) yet he managed to get it without anyone noticing.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 29-Jul-13 19:45:03

Evening all.

Fuck a duck stunt - glad J is ok. Luckily my dh had an expensive wake up call with the cat eating plastic and other odds and ends, so our house is relatively baby proof famous last words - I hope your dh learns rapidly from this.

Det I have been thinking a lot about Fs birth. I never got so far as a birth plan, given that she was early. I've been wondering whether it would be weird to go to the NCT antenatal classes, when I'm upduffed with no.2, even though I've already had a baby....I don't envy you your shift pattern. Mine is a bit shit, but at least there are no nights, yet sad

Sophia I would take a few more days yet, as you say, you are tending to be a bit sore still if you overdo it. You have a lot on your plate at the moment, so don't rush around too early.

PR I hope you manage to get to the doctors.

Kyz hope E is ok, and no more voms.

YW sad nobheads. It's things like that that make me sooo twitchy. I struggle with relinquishing control over Fs food whilst she's at nursery, but they seem to be doing fine.

It has been 4 days since I fed F now. I'm not getting any more engorged/sore, although I have managed to convince myself about ten times that I have breast cancer fucking idiot that I am thanks to some seriously lumpy boobs. I have stared today at some chocolate cake, and my birthday cake, and been soooo tempted. I'm not sure what's stopping me. I think I might cry though when I eat dairy, because then I know that that really is the end of bfing.

Sleep training (*fatima*) - I know I've said before what I did with F, but here it is again in a nutshell. We picked 7 hours overnight (10-5) where I would not feed her. If she woke, she was offered water, and cuddles, but not fed. Like PPs LO, F screeched and shouted in a pissy sort of way, although didn't do any hungry cries. We had 2 shocking nights, where she was awake and cross for several hours, night 3 was much better, and by night 4 she was sleeping 7-5 and I was on my knees. Fatima I would wait til you get back from camping, and use that disruption to your normal routine, as the trigger for changing things. Good luck xx

Evilwater Mon 29-Jul-13 19:46:50

What a good day, we now have baby gavision at evils house. It's the powdered stuff, and I put it in his milk and its made such a difference. I now have a nice baby. Of course I've lied to get it. blush

I tried to get N to do some drawing with crayons, but it was a complete water of time.

Just a quick question, it says to mix in 4oz of milk. If I have 9oz do I put x2 powders in? And what are the best times for N to have it?

Off to read the thread.

YellowWellies Mon 29-Jul-13 19:51:02

<Staggers toward whisky cabinet> sad confused well I'd just like to not recommend any CMPI babies combine missing a dose of omeperazole with eating fecktard Asda feckmunching garlic bread made by incompetent arsewanking cretins. Today has been tough sad he was in so much pain poor little soul. God it reminded me of December when I was just cutting out dairy and battling with the NHS for omeperazole. Still it has proved yet again that I've really not been imagining his symptoms - and that CMPI isn't just babies being overtired, windy or colicky. Anyone who suggests that to me today is in danger of wearing an Asda garlic baguette as a butt plug.

VQ they did offer vouchers but Asda isn't somewhere I normally shop as its out of the way, plus their allergy labeling is dreadful (you have to read every ingredient on most products as they don't put allergens in a warning box so it makes shopping twice as long) and now to be honest I just don't trust them. I used to go in just for the garlic bread as it's nice to not have to make it from scratch when you're in a rush and it's the only ready made garlic bread we can eat envy allegedly.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 19:53:31

Phew. Long wait at dr but got the woman, yay. Eliminated depression, said stress. Has given me tranqs to use as and when and sleeping pills to, again, use as and when. Referral to shrink if I need it for any reason work

Will update on fb but still waiting answers from Them so will do job lot tomorrow.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 29-Jul-13 19:54:04

Evil F was veeeeery sensitive to the erm, constipating effects, of gaviscon. So I would start with a lower dose - perhaps 1 sachet with each feed, and see how he gets on. Constipated baby = not much fun. Glad that N seems so much happier though smile

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 19:56:43

Evil, yes two sachets in a full bottle. You can give it every feed, or less often if you feel it is needed less often. Try to encourage water and fruit and veg to help offset any constipation that may occur. Perhaps start by giving am and pm bottles and increase if necessary?

BP it is perfectly normal to be convinced you have breast cancer after feeding. I have done this three times and was thinking the same today. It takes a long time for boobies to calm down fully after feeding for a long time. It is over 3 months for me. It is also normal to feel sad. Lots of hormonal stuff going on, plus your baby growing up, not being so near, doubting they love or need you so much now etc. These things should be fleeting though, and will soon be overtaken by all the wonderful new things she is doing smile

YellowWellies Mon 29-Jul-13 19:58:25

BP big hug my love. When you're ready go and eat that cake for all of us dairy freers xxxx

Stunt wah! sad sad sad I'm so glad he's OK. I'm terrified of choking after I nearly choked a few years ago - I was home alone and convinced my number was up. It's such a terrifying design flaw the human epiglottis (though it does enable speech so meh....). I hope you get over the shock quickly.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 29-Jul-13 20:02:04

<removes dust from drippy eyes>

Thanks guys thanks

Fucking hormones

YellowWellies Mon 29-Jul-13 20:02:38

Evil awesome news! He's always been nice but now he's not in pain he'll find it easier to show it. Good luck with the gaviscon dosing. Coincidence - I'm putting together a craft cupboard to keep my niece and nephew busy when they come over - I gave Jonas a crayon too today - he just tried to eat it!!!! grin

Evilwater Mon 29-Jul-13 20:06:07

sophia well done on finding a emerald, I hope all is still going well after your op.
stunt chocking can be very scary, I an totally understand where you are coming from, I just hope your H realises the dangers.
det I think it's right to feel the way you do. I'm also in the same boat as you, the lady who is now on mat leave had a home water birth, and it all went perfect (doent make you sick! ). Also her breast feeding is making me envy too. But it's the luck of the draw. I've reflected on N's birth, and I'm glad he came early. If he had been any bigger, I would have to had a emergency c section. Try and focus on the positives.
friut I'm glad she is ok.
yw they can get into serious trouble for not labelling it correctly. If you really felt strongly then take it up with trading standards.
big I'm glad the sleep training has worked well. I'm to much of a chicken to try it on N. I'm hoping its just the reflux he wakes for, and we will get it sorted soon.
PR I'm sorry you can't get anything good.

I hope I've not missed anyone out, if so, I'm sorry.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 29-Jul-13 20:06:42

Oh and I read The Snail and the Whale to F tonight. She I loved it! Well. She enjoyed licking the book and scratching it. I loved reading it. She got a bit cross about 80% of the way through, but I was too into it to stop reading blush

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 20:07:40

Oh. V cool. The village pharmacist, with whom I was still a tad angry, popped into the Dr waiting room at 7pm. Said, is anyone expecting an urgent scrip? We all said no (phew, no gastro bugs in there) and she said good, can close. (she closes at 7 but was going to stay open if need be. Cute eh?)

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 29-Jul-13 20:11:22

Sorry stunt I wasn't trying t o make light of it with my emerald comment. The reason I spotted it was because earlier this evening we had a moment we thought O was choking on something, sounded awful but was just a coughing fit. It is really scary. We have a long haired rug and honestly there is all sorts in there, the Hoover doesn't even get alot of it up.


Hope you get a good night now then pr.

Thanks bp. I do take being off sick quite seriously,it is quite a rare occurrence, I think the last time I was off sick was when I was pregnant with DS1, I don't go out of the house and until maybe the last couple of times I wouldn't even put a wash on. If I was off sick then that meant pjs and no jobs. So I am quite conscious of it even though I am leaving next Friday So anyway I think between you lot and DH I have been persuaded to take the rest of this week. I have removed my dressings today, but popped a clean one back on the lower set of stitches as they are right on the knicker line! confused

det being the sensitive flower I am I would have been hurt by that also, and a bit miffed. Big hugs, mini toblerone and a Domino pizza (who, by the way, since our quiche domino Monday (I sadly remember it was a Monday as DH and DS1 had gone to Ireland), keep texting me. Was v tempted actually yesterday DH off to Ireland again tomorrow wink

Evilwater Mon 29-Jul-13 20:16:14

vq and big thanks for the info. I've already given him dose at 1400 as he was in pain, and it worked wonders! grin I've also given him a double Dose now, as nite time is the worst. But hopefully he can start healing, and be much better in the morning. I will give one dose from now onwards.

big apparently it takes over a year for a lady to recover from pregnancy and childbirth. I did think the other day that I could be up diffed, as my nails were amazing, and I was very emotional. But I'm not as I have the coil.

I'm also been thinking about number 2, but not till N is older and can help. p thinks I'm mad. Children are so amazing! I'd like a girl. I missed being pregnant.


YellowWellies Mon 29-Jul-13 20:19:13

BP I continue reading regardless of book rage if I'm committed and need to know the ending grin

BigPigLittlePig Mon 29-Jul-13 20:24:16

Haha yw she was like an angry worm, wriggling and squirming to get off my lap, and screeching all the way. I just read louder and quicker grin

Thanks BPLP that sound similar to what I was thinking of doing. I've read on here about not allowing boob within 4 hours of last boob. So if M wakes after two hours then just to give water and cuddles and pop back in cot. After four hours she can feed and then same again. When she does feed, time it and then cut it down by a minute every few nights. Don't know how do-able it is but worth a try.
I think I'll have to rope DH in so he can do the none feed wake ups so she doesn't smell milk.

Just caught up on the last thread. lily I'm not too far from Leeds if you want to meet up when you're there.

Scary stuff with the choking stunt glad he's ok. M is forever picking things up that I haven't even spotted.

Glad you got to see the dr pr I'm contemplating whether to go but I think it's just part of my cyclic moodd coupled with tiredness.

I've had quite a productive day, deep cleaned the bedroom, we've lots of surface space that gets v dusty and isn't cleaned often enough. Chucked loads of clutter out. I'm now going through Ms clothes to keep, give away, sell or charity shop.

We've been looking at the weather and its given it to be v hot when we're camping. We're now not sure what to do food wise as it will be hard to keep things cool in the tent.
We might have a lazy camping trip and eat out/takeaways each night and take tinned or packet stuff for during the day.
I don't know what to take for M now. Any suggestions greatly received

PurplePidjin Mon 29-Jul-13 20:36:20

YW if that had been my friend i stabbed the other day, she might have died - it was touch and go from that lick of chocolate, she went into respiratory failure in the ambulance and that was after i did the epi pen thing. Please make a huge huge fuss, you can always use vouchers on clothes!

BP <<<hug>>> chocolate will be there and waiting when you're ready

R has slept 2 1/4 hours today, in the car there and back. That's a good napping day for him. Down at 7:00, 2nd boob at 7:30 so hopefully no engorgement over night desperately seeks hands to hold

BigPigLittlePig Mon 29-Jul-13 20:37:31

Sounds like a good plan fatima - I had time pressures (was due back at work 6 days after I started night weaning) so went for the short, sharp shock rather than anything more gradual. If dh won't get on board, then can I suggest a thick bra with breast pads, and a t-shirt? wink There was no way F was getting through that lot lol.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 29-Jul-13 20:38:37

< Proffers hand to PP >

ValiumQueen Mon 29-Jul-13 20:41:15

Glad you got seen PR x

Kyzordz Mon 29-Jul-13 20:47:21

Evening all smile E has been doing runny poo all day but not been sick, doesn't have a temp etc. Seems fine. Whingy at bed time but it was getting on a bit, he still doesn't like to be up for more than 3 hours at a time! Thanks for asking BPLP

sophia surely you need a bit more time off to get better soon?

gosh it sounds hard work fitting lots of seats into cars. I will remember this and get a bigger car if we ever have any more! We have a nissan almera tino atm.

oh yw sounds like a really difficult day sad fucking fucktards at asda

hope you get your stuff done tonight lily and manage some sleep too!

det sorry you feel like that sad I can understand though, I would feel the same. hope you feel more bubbly bouncy and happy in general soon!

Hope S is ok fruit

Glad you got to the dr's pr hugs, hope the meds given help with your sleep

Fuck stunt that would terrify me, and after the experience with your DS2 no wonder it scares you so much - is J ok now? And did DH get a telling off? I hope he realises how serious it is

Oh evil that is brilliant :D I am so pleased for you!

bplp bless you, you've done a wonderful job with F, enjoy your cake when you do have some smile

sounds like a good plan fatima

E is crawling a bit quicker today smile He goes straight for any wires, so baby proofing time for me. Best look for a stairgate!

PurplePidjin Mon 29-Jul-13 20:48:42

fatima R settles fine for me smile

Camping food: quorn sausages, eggy bread and beans. Packet cheesey pasta with tinned tuna and sweetcorn. Dried soy mince reconstituted over night, with tinned toms and spaghetti. Fried pizza - unsweetened scone dough in a lightly oiled frying pan then topped with passata and mozzarella. Veg curry from a jar plus potato, carrots, peppers etc.

Evilwater Mon 29-Jul-13 21:15:03

Oh, just seen the VW advert, I love it. Infact it's happen to me too.

Passmethecrisps Mon 29-Jul-13 21:15:16

Snail and the Whale is my favourite. Even if I do always get a lump in my throat when the whale gets beached.

Choking sounds terrifying stunt. It is a lesson to crisp acres that is for sure - we are still a pair of messy fucks. I am glad j is ok and I hope you feel better soon.

Good job on the gaviscon evil.

yw I am angry on your behalf. What a total fuckwit. As pp says that kind of shit could kill someone. How is the wee man now? What terrible timing with the meds as well.

Strangely after VQ asking yesterday if P's meds needed upped DH mentioned last night and took it upon himself to up them this morning. Well she nommed like a champion all day today. And she was a total smiley superstar at my friends. She squealed and crawled and bounced and stood and blabbered happily for hours! She had lunch with us very contentedly then cosied in for a wee snooze come nap time!

She took a long time to settle at bedtime - only just gone down actually having been trying since 7pm - but I think she was just struggling to wind down. Her wee arms and legs were twiddling and whirling.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 21:20:38

I got seen but won't pick up scrip til the wkd.

But it was good to talk everything over with an outsider. For one thing , re the Big Issue, I'm not going mad.

I'd told DD1 I was going to the Dr but I wasn't ill, she wasn't to worry, but when I got home she wouldn't stop playing with my hair and saying Maman, ca va? So I had to say of course mummy's ok, but mummy had to go to the doctor because of her shoutiness bad moods. And the doctor has given her pills to make everything better as of the weekend and it's not your fault.

Because it isn't.

I'd cope with her if I didn't have the other issues.

But because of them I'm now going to be tranqued, and put to sleep because of pills.

Which makes me Even Angrier.

Which is no good thing. For Them

Passmethecrisps Mon 29-Jul-13 21:23:15

Rrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr PR!

Passmethecrisps Mon 29-Jul-13 21:24:58

Rrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr PR!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 21:26:01

And I was expecting a final solution today. WHICH I DIDN'T GET.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 21:30:02

<releases inner tiger and lioness and screams>


Not you quiche

My maternitt leave, first half, was fucked up by serious illness. The second half by grown adults who are just twats.

And I am angry that it has come to this.

Very. Fucking. Angry.

Evilwater Mon 29-Jul-13 21:34:11

Breathe PR breathe!


fruitpastilles Mon 29-Jul-13 21:42:18

Fuck stunt I hope J is ok now, how scary, I'd be a blubbering mess if that happened to S. I hope you have stressed to dh that he needs to be more careful, but I bet it was just as scary for him to and will be the kick up the arse he needs.

Haha pig that's exactly what I do when S is fed up of the book. I've got the snail and the whale on order I'm sooo excited for it to arrive, I also ordered the gruffalo, room on the broom sound book, tabby mctat, what the ladybird heard and chocolate mousse for greedy goose. We are going to ikea tomorrow to eat cake buy her a bookcase.

evil glad you have the gaviscon now, hopefully N will start to get better.

pp I'm here for handholding!

kyz glad E is ok in himself, I need to baby proof and get stair gates as well, probably should be doing that tomorrow instead of getting a bookcase.

Yay for P being better today pass

Glad you managed to get to the drs pr at least now you will have the pills there if you need them!

PennieLane Mon 29-Jul-13 21:42:36

fatima I could have written your post, terrible sleeping emerging here. I remember someone saying there's a 9 months growth spurt so I think it's that combined with teething and heat. Winning combination hmm

DH was walking her in the pram at 1am last night. It was all going so well. hmm

She's only 17lbs so think we're in the car seat until a year. I can't imagine her as a big sister already donna must seem weird! Hope pregnancies are going well!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 21:45:10

Oh, and best part of the GP conversation?

-the pharamcist accused me of being pregnant
- do you want me to refer you for a tummy tuck?
- do I need one?
- I think no, you have a little excess bump but two healthy children. And you're not having any more. I certainly wouldn't think you were pregnant, judging by your naked tummy... But.. If it is a big deal for you I can refer you
- no, but thank you so very much for being so lovely
- life is bad enough for new mums..... Here's a scrip for physio, if ever you get the time.

Vive la France. Lovely. Feel so much better about myself.

Kyzordz Mon 29-Jul-13 21:47:25

glad upping the meds helped P pass smile bless her

pr it's so unfair sad go on, vent as much as you need to here, with a big GRRRRRR

PennieLane Mon 29-Jul-13 21:51:06

PR and det sorry your workplaces are so shit, in different ways.

lily what texts are you reading for your course? Would be v interested to read about language development etc just put of interest/keep brain engaged!

Off to buy snail and the whale!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 21:59:22

Me too lily would love to know your reading texts

I'm really sorry if my last post came across as boasting. But, actually, I think that should be the norm. My GP knows I'm not having anymore kids and was happy to refer me to a surgeon for an eval on tummy tuck (two sections and another abdo surgery); same coversation will refer me to psy if the meds don't work or aren't enough; also talked about a worrying mole, didn't even look but gave me a scrip for a dermatologist...

And since I spend my life on the UK internet watching the Uk news...I'm wondering how they manage here, when lots of you lovely ladies have been left seriously in the lurch for very basic things.

Maybe it is time to shout.

MissMummy1 Mon 29-Jul-13 22:17:20

Jeez stunt - so glad he is okay. Reading things like that terrify me. Big glass of wine for you.

I'd be really annoyed too YW but think you handled it perfectly. Mistakes are unfortunately made and clueless ignorant people like me the majority of the population probably have no idea of the effects something like this can have.

WRT the bf'ing chat earlier. I have to say I found it bloody hard work. All 5 months of it. If anything, for us it got harder the longer it went on. In the early days I even joked with my MW about how easy it was and why on earth people made such a fuss. Oh how fickle I was... Don't get me wrong, I loved the closeness and the special bond M and I had. But the hourly feeds, constant pain, and just how damned draining it was is enough for me to be open minded to mixed feeding future children from the get go. Before having M I was 100% she would be bf exclusively for at least a year. Sadly for us it wasn't to be, and I realise now that the amount of pressure I put on myself did not do anything to help. I haven't written it down like this before, but the immediate difference in both of us after we switched to ff is incredible. M is thriving and I don't feel dead anymore. But that's just our experience, and I am the last person who will tell anyone else what to do.

Umm, <twiddles hair thinking of what I came on to say>

PR your situation just sounds so crap. Big hugs. (DD1 sounds adorable though, even when you're describing her naughty moments she just sounds like so much fun!)

Bedtime took 3.5 hours tonight, including two walks around the village with each of us and a run in the car. I had a dentist appointment today <shudders> <unshudders because suspected filling is not needed grin > and she took a look in M's mouth. Apparently top teeth are imminent - no shit Sherlock, she hasn't freaking slept for days!!!

The implant - I need some experiences. I had it fitted about 2.5 months ago. First period was 6 weeks late. Lasted 10 days of really heavy bleeding. Stopped for two/three days. And has fucking started again. Is this normal?! How long should I give it to settle before demanding the fucker is taken out? no chance of babies with the staleness of our relationship right now

fruitpastilles Mon 29-Jul-13 22:26:40

mm I have the implant, I got it when S was 7 weeks old. I had heavy bleeding for about a month, then I spotted constantly for about another 2. Now I have no idea when to expect a period, I had nothing after the spotting until last week when I had a couple more days spotting.
I was regular as clockwork before having S, to the point of knowing I was updiffed the day after I was due on.
Sorry that is probably no help at all. They do say to give it at least 6 months though for it to all settle.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 22:37:14

stunt that must have been very frightening <hugs> and <a bollocking> to your DH.

yw I would write to hq and if you want me to tweet and get people to retweet...

PetiteRaleuse Mon 29-Jul-13 22:40:56

mm she is adorable. Even when she has decided to throw all her lego bricks at me, one by one, I secretly wish I had dared to do that when I was her age grin

The GP came up with the idea she is distracting me, that she somehow knows I am stressed, so is trying to protect me, in her way. Her bad behaviour does coincide with a certain work telated call from earlir in the year.

But she could just be a pita toddler...imo

BigPigLittlePig Mon 29-Jul-13 22:41:13

Yes MM - 6 months to let things settle. When I went on the mini pill, I had 3 or 4 months of chaos, then nothing at all for 18 months grin

I was the complete opposite re bf. Before F was born, I had all the stuff for ff, and told dh I would give bf a go, then see how things went, but would "probably only do it for a couple of weeks" - 8 months later hmm - BUT, I have loved it. Mastitis, tongue ties, leaky boobs, biting and all.

Chasing you have been quiet - am hoping this is because you are busy cross-stitching rather than anything else xx

Night all.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 29-Jul-13 23:04:43

RIght I've been rubbish at posting lately so will try and engage brain and respond accordingly:

kyz Glad E is ok and no more sickness.

Evil Yay for gaviscon.

fatima That sounds like a good plan. I hope it works.

Re choking, it's made me realise that my living room will need total reorganisation for when E's on the move. The house itself and adult stuff is fairly baby proved still from DD1 but it's now her stuff that needs sorting. She is a typical 3 year old and leaves stuff everywhere. I have told her that it's very dangerous for E to get hold of small things but I'm not sure how much she understands. I think I'm going to have to put all her small toys in her room and not let E go in there unsupervised anymore.

pr I love hearing about your DD. I think her and my DD1 would get on like a house on fire. You speak so highly of her even when you're at the end of your tether. I wish I could be so magnanimous about my DD1 when she's being a little terror shit. And no, you're post didn't come accross as boasting but if it had I wouldn't begrudge you it.

pass Glad P nommed like a superstar. She's such a cutie pie.

Right, brains gone to mush so I'll bid thee all farewell and head off to bed. Hope there are lots of sleeping quiche babies.

Fucks sake! I was shattered tonight.
DH got home and my eyes were closing so I took myself off to bed at 9:30. Why the hell am I still awake?!! I've just been laid here waiting to fall asleep. Bollocking bastards
DH came to bed 45 mins after me and took about 3 mins to fall asleep, he's now lightly snoring. Think I might punch the sleeping wanker grin

itsnotyouitsMeals Tue 30-Jul-13 01:00:48

Fair enough yw. That sounds pretty scary.


stunt am so glad J is ok.

det and pr bastards the lot of them.

pp hope it's going well.

fatima get some sleeeeep.

evil pm me your address and I'll send gaviscon.

kyz and pass glad babies looking up.

pig have cake! And cheese! And chocolate.

fruit eliza mm and everyone else hello and good night!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 30-Jul-13 04:12:30

Ahhhhhhhhh. I awake. shock period pains I think....grrrrrr.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 30-Jul-13 06:27:47

Or maybe a funny tummy.

Lily311 Tue 30-Jul-13 06:29:10

penny, pr ill try to put the book on Facebook. It was interesting to read about the first words although I think the study has flows as it doesn't really mention in details developmental delays.

We have rain, I'm so happy. Yest we managed to stay outside for 5 min, it was so hot and humid, was over 40 degrees.

StuntNun Tue 30-Jul-13 06:55:04

Wait for it...

StuntNun Tue 30-Jul-13 06:55:22

...wait for it...

StuntNun Tue 30-Jul-13 06:55:38

...wait for it...

StuntNun Tue 30-Jul-13 06:55:53

8 until 5!

StuntNun Tue 30-Jul-13 06:56:16

Get in!

Pikz Tue 30-Jul-13 06:58:38

Stunt I have the Pom poms out in holland

Wtf kind of holiday place has no oven... I already want to come home L been up since 4.30 uk time!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 30-Jul-13 07:08:05

stunt IN . That is great. Well done J. Well done mummy more!!!!

pikz that s ludicrous. However just eat out.

ValiumQueen Tue 30-Jul-13 07:19:43

Very pleased for you all Stunt x

Yay stunt

After all my fretting about M having crap sleep, last night she did 8:30-1am then 1:15-7:15!!! shock

I on the otherhand, although shattered, struggled falling asleep and only slept 2am-7am angry

But woohoo for M!!

Jims Tue 30-Jul-13 07:42:27

Wahey stunt that's brilliant news. A better night was had here too so maybe there was something in the air last night (rain?!)

For all those struggling with sleeping, i found a book called how to overcome insomnia the best solution. I don't know whether it would have passed anyway with time but i tried this in desperation and it worked, although horrible to implement at first:


On a countdown here, DH starts his extended paternity leave thurs and i'm back on the 8th. Unless my union man shows he's worth my subscriptions and gets me bank holidays too.

Also a very belated comment re nappies. We use bambo here which are supposedly the more environmentally friendly ones. They aren't cheap but not horrifically expensive if bought with 20% off from www.ethicalsuperstore.com. They're running a sale at the min. I couldn't face tge washing with sicky babies of reusables.

vq didn't realise J was at the top of the weight for rear facing. I can't wait to swap F but am hanging on for a bit.

ValiumQueen Tue 30-Jul-13 07:52:11

Jims our seat was from DD1 but had never been used in the car so had not experienced the changes on temperature as always stored in the house. It did not fit our old car at the time. The two seats I used for the girls were too old so were thrown away before J. I contacted Silver Cross who said it was safe, but the weight limit was 10kg not the usual 13 kg. I therefore felt he was safer in the ff than his infant seat. It has gone to the tip to ensure it is not used again.

ValiumQueen Tue 30-Jul-13 07:53:12

He was 9 months and a couple of days when we swapped :-)

Bryzoan Tue 30-Jul-13 08:03:56

Way to go stunt (little dance). May this be just the start...

Det - I think your feelings re those fb pics were perfectly natural. But you have your o now - and that is what matters. That and that you have done your absolute bloody best for him in pregnancy, planning your birth, managing your birth and now. And he is awesome. You have everything to rejoice in and feel proud of. A couple of pics round a pool are a fleeting snapshot. And as vq says - she didn't have a thread named after her and 60 sleepless quichettes cheering her on. You'd have needed a bloody big room to fit us round a birthing pool!

Evilwater Tue 30-Jul-13 08:10:37

Morning all,
stunt great news! I'm so jelous envy
pr that's horrible!!!! shock shock no wonder all the French people are skinny they cheat! Can you complain about the pharmacist? Wat a horrible lady.

Wll N woke up screaming again, you'd think I would get used to this. Same old reason coughing. Gave him some milk but he really didn't drink it. confused how long do I give the gavision to take a good effect?

But he's so much better this morning, getting into trouble, exploring everything and is happy.
A confused Evil

BigPigLittlePig Tue 30-Jul-13 08:15:56

Evil if he does have reflux, it will take a little while for the damage to heal. It is encouraging that he seems better already though.

Stunt and fatima - grin well done J and M! Definitely something in the air, F managed 7-5, then self settled shock and slep until I woke her at 7.15!

<waggles pom poms and retreats out the door to work, doing a wee jig on the way>

Evilwater Tue 30-Jul-13 08:26:05

Thanks big
Yes I'm jelous! envy

PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 09:01:12

evil I don't think the pharmacist meant to offend, she was genuinely excited about a new arrival. I'm not sure tummy tucks are cheating either. I've never known anyone who has had one so I don't think they are offered all that easily. I don't want one anyway as I don't think my tum is too bad and to be honest I don't want any more painful surgery, I've had enough the last few years. Though I am considering breast reduction, but not for a few years.

Will see what physio can do anyway, but I will only be able to go if I am off work and the kids are in nursery, so we will see. The local physios are based in the spa town just over the border. Would be nice to have a session then to go in the spa pool - it's one of those hot outdoor geothermic thingies.

LO woke at 5 this morning but DH went, after much grumbling. I slept a couple of hours uninterupted anyway.

PurplePidjin Tue 30-Jul-13 09:16:49

Sorry sorry sorry, rushed for time!

Went down at 7, twitched so gave 2nd boob at 7:30. Resettled at 10:30. 1st wake 1:15, he nearly went then yelled so i gave him teething gel at which point he decided to play for an hour hmm dp got him down at 2:30 after calpol. Up at 5:30, kept giving me hope by dropping off for a couple of minutes.

Will catch up later xx

StuntNun Tue 30-Jul-13 09:25:57

Don't be jealous Evil, that was the second time he's technically slept through the night (the first time was 11 until 6 I think) in 255 nights. I daren't even hope he'll do it again soon. Even if he does I think I'll need a year to catch up on my sleep. Maybe it was something to do with upping his ranitidine dose.

In even more brilliant news I have lost a stone! I only have another 2.5 pounds to lose to reach my pre-pregnancy weight. Hopefully I'll be able to achieve my target by the end of the school holidays as that's another four weeks.

Passmethecrisps Tue 30-Jul-13 10:03:53

I am so chuffed for you stunt! On both the sleeping and the weighloss front.

I am currently sitting in the car outside ikea. I am jiggling in my seat as I really need a wee but p is sleeping and I want to give her 10 mins more. Not sure my bladder will comply actually.

Well done littlepig too smile

PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 11:06:09

Brilliant news stunt

Just looked at my prescription. It's for xanax. Isn't that the middle class mum's drug of choice? Or was that in the 90s?

TheDetective Tue 30-Jul-13 11:14:27

<Sidles in to thread sheepishly>

Thank you... you are all right. I've moped, and got over myself!

Oh bollocks someone awake. Will be back to post and whinge ffs!

TheDetective Tue 30-Jul-13 11:24:20

Back. O now up from the shortest nap ever hmm

Terrible, terrible night here. Lots of screaming (O) and shouting (DP) and hiding under a pillow (me).

Basically, he woke up an hour after we went to bed. I hadn't yet fallen asleep. I heard him roll out the toddle pod and hit the cot bars. DP got up to put him back, but he wouldn't go down. Multiple failed transfers, water and calpol later he went down. But just kept waking every 5-10 minutes.

DP was being a dick as he always is in the night, and kept waking up when the dog moved, a car went past, I shuffled in bed. But a screaming hysterical baby? No. That doesn't wake the fucking cunt him. hmm angry

Oh, and this morning O has ripped a piece of wallpaper off the wall. How do I know it was him? I found it in his mouth. It must have been in there quite a while as he'd been playing at my feet for 20 minutes and not ventured to the wall where he has ripped it from hmm.

I've realised, I can not baby proof from O. sad

Clarella Tue 30-Jul-13 11:27:40

checking ingrin

woo hoo stunt!! that's brilliant newsgrin grin I'm so pleased for you!

I'm going to try hard not to moan about my every two hours. on the positive he slept 7-9 (been waking every 20 mins then) abeight on a comfy pillowhmm but I'm at the point where fuck sids guidelines if he'll sleep better on his head so be it!

blown up birthing ball and considering avoiding some night feeds this way (think this has helped you bplp?) only thing is that he's not really eating much food.

thing is I don't want to loose all the night feeds as when I'm at work I won't be able to express much and so want my supply to keep going at night. but it'd be nice for him to try to attempt some 3 hr stretches! also he's bloody swallowing air again no matter what I do so gets wind angry

I however am feeling brighter I'm not completely convinced he has cp for example however I'm trying to decide if I should try antidepressants. I have avoided for years as seroxat fucked me over when all needed was a thyroid test but I know how vital it is for lo for me to be well for his health. and I'm not sure I am. and go back to work in 5 weeks. hmm

M managed to eat a guinea pig food nugget this morning hmm
She's now walking across the living room, backwards and forwards, shouting and screaming. Strange child grin

Passmethecrisps Tue 30-Jul-13 12:39:17

Just checking in from ikea Mumsnet HQ

No dime bar cake?! WTF is that about?

ChasingDaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 12:59:34

Hola quiche,

Sorry, have been very tired and busy and unable to read or post. Will endeavour to catch up later during afternoon nap.

Just back from a tea and cake date with my old next door neighbour and her 10 month old. Was very lovely and the two boys adore each other. Lots of babbling, screeching and holding of hands. The boys that is. I try not to screech in public wherever possible. Took a bus in MK alone with O for the first time today so that's another box ticked.

In other news, I am now declaring Operation Cot Nap a success, 2 weeks to the day after we started. Yesterday all three naps were in cot, no transfer fails and 40mins, 1hr and 1hr20 respectively. Plus he slept 7-6 last night smile

Need to go and make me and O lunch before he wakes from his nap but will catch up on quiche news this afternoon x x

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 30-Jul-13 13:21:27

That sounds like a good day chasing hope it has made you feel positive.

DH has tottered off to get his car transporter. He sees is as a big adventure. I am really worried about him. and the fact he is on the ferry as freight he gets a complementary cabin but he has to share with an unknown trucker he is due home any minute to load up.

ChasingDaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 13:34:30

Thanks sophia it has put me in a good mood smile. Oscar was a star despite being very tired.

Pikz Tue 30-Jul-13 13:57:07

I can't baby proof against L either det. He's a nightmare now.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 30-Jul-13 13:58:05

He is back hmm

PurplePidjin Tue 30-Jul-13 14:04:47

PR grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr angry

R is pulling up on his dj booth. He is wearing a baby grow and shoes because his feet slip on the parquet hmm

Pikz Tue 30-Jul-13 14:23:46

An stuck in bathroom as L has closed the door and has his head against it!!!

PurplePidjin Tue 30-Jul-13 14:30:52

Oops, Pikz dp once got shut out of ours when he popped out for a nappy liner and R rolled. Luckily a gentle shove solved th problem

Kyzordz Tue 30-Jul-13 15:01:33

Afternoon smile 7-7 here but when he woke he'd leaked runny poo through his gro bag. Was going to get a doctors appt but he has poo'd since and it seems to have a better consistency so I've left it for now. If he's done another later and it's still runny ill ring, our GPS will make time for him, he's lovely.

I've got the implant too mm and I'm still all over the place. I don't bleed much though which pleases me in comparison to the last implant when I bled almost constantly for about 4 months!

stunt woohoo! Frigging awesome!!!

Woohoo for f too bplp!

Sounds like a very difficult night det!

I would give the ad's a good think clarella, and perhaps talk to the gp if you feel you might need them?

That all sounds fantabbylous chasing smile

To warn everyone, I may name change, do previous posts keep your old name? I am concerned of a certain RL person coming on here, as she would never let it rest after reading stuff I've said about her!

Yes previous posts stay in your old name kyz

I don't know what to pack for camping. It's given it to be sunny but I don't want to get caught out and not pack anything wintery and it be cold.
Think i'll pack some short rompers for M and then leggings and t-shirts and a couple of cardis.

What should I dress M in at night? It's given it to be 18 thurs night and then around 14/15 on fri and sat night so I might just go with LS vest, babygrow and 2.5 tog sleeping bag.

Arghhh why am I incapable of making a decision grin

Feel like I should be doing something but I think I've done what I can until DH gets home with the car. Going to end up rushing round tomorrow I imagine

PurplePidjin Tue 30-Jul-13 15:20:43

Yes, kyz, but under some circumstances MNHQ will delete all your old posts for you. Or, if you can find the suspect ones, report them individually stating your reasons smile

Passmethecrisps Tue 30-Jul-13 15:27:56

kyz I think they do retain their old names. Glad wee E seems to be a little better.

Lovely time had with the haggis quichesters as always.

What I always find valuable is someone else's perspective who has kind of shared your journey. For example, I have been stressing about feeding p - she doesn't eat much, the mess and the waste. I set up P's lunch of which she eats nothing and VQ says "do you think you might be offering too much?" I say "nah. Don't reckon so" but then mull it over. Seeing what the other babies were eating gave me an insight again - no she doesn't eat much but she eats more than others. And yes, I am offering too much! Sometimes too much choice can be a bad thing for a girl.

Also, I have been worrying about P's might wakings the last few nights and getting myself into a "she will never sleep more than 45 minutes ever again" fankle. A quick blether to izzy had me handing myself a grip. Of course we all have our own contexts and levels of tolerance but at the end of the day we all just have to find ways of coping don't we? The night I spent with P waking every 45 minutes last night is some people's every night. Doesn't stop me feeling a bit meh but it did give me some context.

chasing you have done a fab job with little O. Being able to sleep well is a gift and you have very gently helped him along the way.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 15:42:52


They're screwing with my head. Bastards.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 15:45:05

Glad you all had a good time smile

Jims Tue 30-Jul-13 15:45:30

fatima when camping, i found the actual temp dropped much lower than the forecast so F woke up a lot. I double sleeping bagged him on some nights and we were away in the hot week. Though it may have been cold due to the clear skies. Also, my DH had a silver space rescue blanket thing he put over the cool box in the day outside the tent, this meant the cool blocks were still frozen when we got back rather than being warm when he didn't.

Operation nap in the cot going quite well here too. 50 mins this morning til i woke him to go to rhymetime and then another 2 at 1pm. I woke him again as i don't like him sleeping too late! However both neighbours planning extensions v soon so that might all go to pot anyway!

I spent the time household budgeting. Fun fun fun. Not.

Jims Tue 30-Jul-13 15:47:47

Oh and Operation Nap in the cot has got a lot better since i left him to cry briefly. As it took me 30 mins to get him to settle when i was there with him screaming, i gave crying a go and he went off in less than 10. Now wondering whether i should have tried earlier. Oh well!!

That's what I though jim. When we went in May it was a lot colder so I knew what to expect. DH thinks it'll be just like being in our bedroom but I remember from last time we went towards the end of July that it still dropped cold. I've put a 2.5 and a 1.5 tog. I can always double bag or add a blanket if I need to.

There's a McDonald's and a m&s food 5 mins away and a supermarket 10 mins so we may just take snacks and buy fresh stuff down there

Donnadoon Tue 30-Jul-13 16:16:45

thanks pennie smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 30-Jul-13 16:17:22

Layers fatima layers.

Am turning into my mother.

GTbaby Tue 30-Jul-13 16:35:52

Finally Checking in. But suspect my nxt post will be checking in on nxt thread!

Hope you are all well. Hugs to those who did it and woop woops to those who have made break throughs re teeth/feeding/sleeping/ crawling/walking.

I'm really enjoying lo ATM (obviously I have since birth) but he just seems to do so much now and notices everything. New things all the time. Teeth and first clap! I was so excited about the clapping. His love of labels is crazy.
I love how he sleeps with his bum in the air. Lol

Anyway. Gotta go feed my bump!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 16:37:24

envy at m&s food. I love their sausage rolls. And pretty much everything else they do. First stop at service station on the way home I bought a 6 pack of sausage rolls and shared them with the dog. Erm, maybe that's why I still look pregnant.

YellowWellies Tue 30-Jul-13 17:25:51

Pass great post - it's so true I love meeting up with team haggis as it sorts my head out. We all have stuff we worry about whether it's reflux, having a tiny baby, having a big baby, the rate they're doing or not doing stuff, how they eat, how they sleep - whether they're trashing your house etc. For me I've always worried about how wee Jonas is after being prem especially as he can't eat dairy to fatten him up but I take heart that whilst dinky he does eat well so will catch up and is up to the same developmental shiz as the other mini haggi. Indeed at boob giggling and red Indian battle cry impressions he kicks ass....

I also love what he takes from the other babies when we meet - last time he definitely watched Stunt's J and Pass's P whizzing around and it boosted his own attempts at crawling. So much so he commando crawled / slid under the sofa today! Apologies if any baby haggi pick up his Sioux war cry impersonations.blush

About the dime bar cake - I might have bought it all and given it to a homeless dude so I didn't have to watch you all scran it wink. grin Bwahahaha

Kidding. But I am sooooo going to eat a whole one come October grin

YellowWellies Tue 30-Jul-13 17:29:05

Oh and Jonas in full reflux screamfest thanks to 'baguette'gate gave MM the worst car journey ever. Sorry dude!

horseylady Tue 30-Jul-13 17:57:34

First day back at work done!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 18:12:23

How was it horsey ?

ValiumQueen Tue 30-Jul-13 18:31:13

Not caught up yet, but just feel the need to share that my childcare costs will be £385 per week just for two. That does not include after school and holiday care for DD1. FFS!

PennieLane Tue 30-Jul-13 19:12:16

I too have realised I cannot baby proof M. She's too into EVERYTHING! pass I also realised I was offering too much/too much choice. Now I do 'courses' of a few bits and stop when she's getting bored. Takes longer but defo less mess.

Jealous of the haggis meet up though I am attending a MN meet up in HK next month!

Good to hear from you gt not long now!!

M is asleep!! In her cot! At 7pm. OMFG!!!!
I'm shattered so am mooching on the sofa until DH gets home from work with takeaway so I can eat and then go sleep. So much for packing.

chasing we're camping not too far from you this weekend. Is there any restaurants or take always you can recommend in the Towcester, northants, MK area? Is MK Xscape any good for food?

Passmethecrisps Tue 30-Jul-13 19:17:51

Oh how was it horsey? How were you and how was E?

Flipping, chuffing Nora VQ! Time to send the weins down the mines I think.

How was the journey back YW?

Passmethecrisps Tue 30-Jul-13 19:19:56

Yep pennie! For tea p had half a pouch thing then a spoon or two of fruit purée. That's fine. I get myself all frantic that she must eat something and end up confusing her I think.

YellowWellies Tue 30-Jul-13 19:30:49

The journey back was much better. He mumped and meeped a fair bit but didn't get his revenge and wake a sleeping Matilda. He's been such a happy chatty bear since we got home and has been practising his backward sliding - so I think he enjoyed it!

VQ OMFG! That's crazy!

Horsey how are you both?

ChasingDaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 19:46:14

Evening quiche,
Fatima MK Xscape is ok for food but the Theatre District and Hub are better and are close by. What type of place are you looking for?

Well jel of quiche meet. Love the photo a bit too much. Very glad to see izzy looking so well. Hope she is doing ok.

stunt I am sooo pleased you got a good night last night. I have been wishing hard for that for you. BTW, I sent you book back, did it find its way to you safely?

pass thank you thanks I feel like me and O have managed it together. We are a little team now.

Clarella I am taking Fluoxetine and it has helped me no end. Only side effect is that it makes me clench my jaw at night. It has helped me cope massively. I also took them before I was pregnant though and didn't find that they helped much. My GP thinks it is because I am making positive decisions this time around. I don't know how much this helps you but I just wanted to share my experience with you.

Today was a good day. O is such a star, I love this age. He is just hilarious. Was lovely seeing my old neighbour today although it is sometimes difficult knowing she lives next door to XP. We have identical parenting styles and it is lovely to talk to somebody like minded. She is joining me & O for soft play in 2 weeks as well which is great. I am so grateful that she has stayed in touch after I left.

Mood wise I am up and down at the moment. Today was good and I felt happy but XP is always niggling at the back of my mind. I managed to go 48 hours without any contact with him which felt good and I now only talk to him about O. I'm hoping it will get easier in time.

I realised today that I have been in two long term relationships since I left uni and am enjoying finding out who I actually am. I'm surprised to find out that I'm not the person I thought I was. I'm braver and stronger and more confident.

Oops epic post blush

BigPigLittlePig Tue 30-Jul-13 19:49:08

Evening all.

Horsey I hope it wasn't too bad back at work, and I hope you got loads of smiles on your return home!

VQ that's ridiculous! It's also the reason I won't be having any more babies for a while, despite dhs pleadings. Would it be cheaper to have a nanny?

Stunt well done on the weight loss, you must be so chuffed.

Chasing I expect to see photos of the completed cross stitch in, ooh, a few days probably, now you have all this spare time on your hands! grin

Kyz you'll always be kyz to me.

I'm very envy of the Haggis meets, there's such a big group of you. Lovely as ever to see the photos - hope Izzy is managing ok.

I accidentally had milk, in crisps, at lunchtime. So that's it. End of bf <sobs>. Will be tucking into some Ben & Jerrys soon om nom nom.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 30-Jul-13 19:50:34

<Hi-5's chasing>

You rock xx

PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 19:50:49

vq shock that sucks!

chasing woo hoo! <waves pompoms and high kicks>

pennie what a fab experience HK will be envy

YellowWellies Tue 30-Jul-13 19:51:59

Chasing that's so lovely to hear. Am really glad that exploring your freedom with your wee sidekick and finding out who you are and what you want from your life is going so well for you. Am v proud of you chick x

horseylady Tue 30-Jul-13 19:54:54

Mum had Him so he was fine. He starts in child are sept 2nd.

Work ok, am shattered will be very busy. Feel quite sad in that it feels like the last 9 months never really happened?! Work the same. But then that was always going to happen so I wasn't worried at all.

Am quite short tempered tonight though sad

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 30-Jul-13 19:59:51

horsey pop your feet it, it is a shock to the system going back to work.

chasing your posts are getting more positive by the day! grin

stunt hi fivers. Well done. That and the good night sleep must make you feel stacks better about life in general

While the cat is away mummy will have prawn and mango curry. Yummy. (DH doesn't do prawns after a stunt in a prawn factory).

Thanks everyone for holding my hand through the op last week and the ensuing recovery. I am still taking it easy but feel so much better. thanks < wipes away a what would I do without the quiche tear>

chasing Your day sounds lovely!
Food wise, we're camping at Whittlebury Park to watch superbikes at Silverstone so we'll be at the track during the day until tea time. We've decided that instead of taking lots of food that will go off in the heat, we'll go to the Tesco for lunch things and then eat out in evenings.
So somewhere we can drive and park at/near. Not too fancy and BIL is a fussy bugger. And that is cheapish. Looked at Xscape as there's a nandos, pizza express etc. and I think a red hot world buffet. We might get a takeaway one night.

I am also jealous of the haggis meet

BigPigLittlePig Tue 30-Jul-13 20:04:38



Icecream I have missed you.

Bryzoan Tue 30-Jul-13 20:04:48

Aww bp that's hard. Enjoy the ice cream - and well done. End of an era...

Go team o and chasing! I have no doubt you'll continue to do eachother proud.

TicklishMould Tue 30-Jul-13 20:04:53

Evening all. I won't announce myself, i'm sure i'm obviously me smile I might save my old posts or some of them for memory purposes ask MNHQ to delete my old posts/the relevant ones as I really will be in the shit otherwise!

Fatima I've no idea what i'd pack for camping tbh, but I think what you suggested sounds ok!

pass perspective really does help. Whenever I've had a difficult time settling E or a 'bad' night by our standards coming on here and reading the different things other quiche members are dealing with really puts it into perspective for me. Our bad nights are what other quichsters have to deal with all the time, or our difficult meal times are what others might actually consider a raging success. Context and perspective and knowing other quiche members are worrying about the same things as me or coping through worse helps me manage too. It also makes me feel guilty about moaning or stressing but it mostly holds me together, the quiche is definitely a positive thing!

Aw GT lovely post, and nice to hear from you smile I am waiting for E to clap. He doesn't yet, or even show signs of trying to!

Congrats on the commando crawling/sliding yw!

How was work Horsey? How was E too?

OMG VQ that's alot of money shock

Well, E did a cool thing today. I had cBeebies on for him for the first time in ages and 3rd & Bird came on and he was flapping and laughing and really excited watching it. He's never done that before, he used to just gorm at the tv whenever it was on, and then stopped bothering with it once he got to about 6 months. Also, he keeps crawling to the dvd player and hitting it. I decided i'd tell him 3 times and after that move him and tell him no. This happened once. After I moved him he went back and I said no, and he looked at me and squealed in delight with the dirtiest cheeky grin. He slowly went to touch it again and JUST before he put a finger on it he turned round with a grin again to see if I was watching him. I said no trying so hard not to laugh at him and he came away from it, result! However, DP nearly died laughing because he couldn't contain himself to be fair I had to try very hard!

Bet lots more has been written since I started this!

TicklishMould Tue 30-Jul-13 20:05:36

Oh I don't like this. I want to be me again.

TicklishMould Tue 30-Jul-13 20:08:11

Might've been a biggish post chasing but was a nice positive one for the most part! smile Glad you've had a fab day smile

horsey go and chillax, you deserve it smile

ChasingDaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 20:12:07

Fatima I reckon Xscape is your best bet then, I think there is a Harvester there too. The Theatre District is opposite and it has a Bella Italia and Red Hot.

Thank you everyone blush Without you I wouldn't have even left him. Oscar owes a bunch of wonderful wise women more than he will ever know. I'm beginning to see what our life can become and I feel so lucky to have him by my side. He is just the best thing ever and I can't wait to help him grow up

Kirrin Tue 30-Jul-13 20:20:36

Yay stunt That's fantastic. Well done J. Now keep doing it!!
And congrats on the weight loss too smile

VQ shock How long before you can send them out to work? And is it worth you gong back?!

Glad work went ok horsey It does feel surprisingly normal to be back doesn't it? Even after months and months. I felt like that and I didn't even go back to the same job!

No news here. All very dull.

ticklish you are very obviously you! Stick with it, you'll soon get used to it says she who has never really name changed

Lily311 Tue 30-Jul-13 20:23:12

chasing I can see myself in you now. I am so happy to see your post about O, he really is the best thing that happened to you.

O was so giggly today, she is such a joy. She grabs my finger at every opportunity and pulls herself up. Tiring for me.

Assignment submitted, now watching trashy movies.

YellowWellies Tue 30-Jul-13 20:23:30

Ticklish love the name smile

Pikz Tue 30-Jul-13 20:28:18

VQ chimneys for them than wink

thanksTeam chasing thanks ( Pom poms!)

Glad on the up sophia

Much love to everyone and wine

Holland isn't too bad praying for a later morning than 5.30.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 30-Jul-13 20:30:50

I think I may have been a little foolish. I may have eaten too much icecream followed by chocolate and now feel a teeny tiny lot bit sick envy

ChasingDaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 20:31:05

Lily whenever I am finding things tough I think of you. You genuinely are my inspiration. Can't wait to meet you and O in October

ChasingDaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 20:31:52

pig I just stuffed my face with sorbet and am contemplating the chocolate biscuits....

TicklishMould Tue 30-Jul-13 20:35:30

I actually cannot eat anything else bad for me now, I really am fat. I really want to send DH to get me some matchmakers, but I know I shouldn't!

Hope you enjoyed the ice cream bplp

Pikz Tue 30-Jul-13 20:39:56

Bplp gorge and get it out of your system!

ChasingDaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 20:48:39

Matchmakers! Nom nom. And more nom. I scoff them non stop at Christmas.

Evilwater Tue 30-Jul-13 20:50:13

chasing I'm glad you are having a great time.
horsey I'm glad your work was ok. That bill is a bit steep.
stunt congrats on the weight loss. Got any tips?
fatmia I hope the camping goes well.

You all look fab at the meet up.

N has been more like himself and getting into trouble. Even my mum has noticed the difference. I love gavision!
I was slightly embarrassed, as N kept staring at Asian family. Of course he's never seen an Asian family, but why did he keep staring? What am I going to do with when he comes across a person of African descent?


PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 20:52:43

I just ate a twix ice cream. Yum.

Evilwater Tue 30-Jul-13 20:54:50

There is no sweets in evils house. Not even a farleys rusk sad hmm..... Ice cream

StuntNun Tue 30-Jul-13 20:57:11

Evil I'm doing the Mumsnet summer low carb bootcamp info here although I only started it partway through because I wanted to get my exams out of the way first. There's another bootcamp starting in September to lose weight for Christmas if anyone's interested. I have lost 14.5 pounds in 43 days and that includes ten days of holiday where I was cheating quite a lot a little. So it definitely worked for me. DH went on the diet with me and he's looking trimmer as well.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 21:03:14

evil I think if you don't make a big deal of it he'll be fine. DD1 did the same when she was about 9 months old. We took her to Paris to spend a weekend with some friends and for the first hour or so she just gawped. IBabies aren't racist of course but are curious, and I guess it is normal that they would look at someone who looks different to themselves.

Works the other way too. When I took DD1 to the Lakes a few weeks ago we took a steam train and boat ride with three coachloads of Chinese tourists doing the same trip. I could see them, one after the other, staring and discreetly trying to take pictures of me and her, particularly the teens. In the end I stopped still on the platform and posed. We're blonde and I think getting close to a blonde child was a curiosity for them. It was funny. (she stared at them too)

izzybizzybuzzybees Tue 30-Jul-13 21:05:18

Hello. Hope you remember me.

Just popping in to say that I went to the haggis meet today and was told some people were asking after me. Just wanted to say I appreciate it.

I hope to be back at some point where I won't fill up the thread with my moaning and endless night posts.

At least I know where to find you all, the thread was in most active so felt mean not to say hi!

Hope everyone is well.

ChasingDaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 21:07:26

Yes PR Chinese folk are often fascinated by blonde westerners smile although I'm not entirely sure how happy XP's grandparents were about him procreating with one...

StuntNun Tue 30-Jul-13 21:07:31

Yay Izzy good to hear from you. Don't worry you aren't spamming the thread and sometimes it's good to get things off your chest. We ain't going anywhere so dive back in when you feel up to it.

ChasingDaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 21:08:47

<runs up to izzy and gives her a big hug>

Just do whatever is right for you lovely. But please don't feel that you aren't welcome here, you are missed and we are all thinking about you x

Pikz Tue 30-Jul-13 21:08:57

Izzy whizzy big hugs thanks

StuntNun Tue 30-Jul-13 21:09:58

Chasing I asked my dad one time how his parents felt about him marrying a black woman, remember this was the early 70s and it wasn't that common at the time. Apparently my granny said "At least she isn't Irish"! Facepalm on my granny's behalf.

We haven't much food in and i'm too tired to cook so I've just ordered Chicken wings and cheesy chips from the takeaway down the road, naughty me.

Thanks for the help chasing May venture to in to MK one evening

Nice name Ticklish smile

PurplePidjin Tue 30-Jul-13 21:10:12

Evil r does that and half his family are black! Our next door neighbours are south east Asian, he's fascinated by the two little girls. He stares at friendly-looking people mostly, i find, maybe tell them that's what it is if they even notice?

envy of the chocolate munching. Although homegrown strawberries and raspberries with clotted cream was an excellent pudding here

Yay Izzy Big hugs!

PurplePidjin Tue 30-Jul-13 21:12:46

Stunt my gran dearly loves dp but has to be told off for her language occasionally nigger in the woodpile, anyone?

BigPigLittlePig Tue 30-Jul-13 21:19:49

F will stare and stare and stare at anybody. Black, white, Irish, Chinese, man, woman, hermaphrodite, cat. She isn't fussy lol. Depending on her mood, she will fix them with a steely "don't mess with me" stare, or beam. She is particularly enthralled by a wee girl at nursery who's parents come from somewhere I don't know, but who is blessed with the most beautiful jet black ringlets, and enormous, puppy dog eyes. Beautiful.

TicklishMould Tue 30-Jul-13 21:25:12

I am itching to change back sad

evil my cousins dh is African and is very dark, the first time e met him he just stared and stared, luckily her dh just said 'ooh the little boy hasn't ever had a cuddle from such a big old bear before' and as he is such a smiley chap e really warmed to him smile e is a right people watcher regardless though, he is always bloody staring at someone!

izzy really good to hear from you!! Feel free to come back whenever is right for you but you certainly weren't clogging up the Fred at all

Mmmmm pp I'd be just as happy with strawberries, I love a good strawberry!

Evilwater Tue 30-Jul-13 21:25:22

Thanks pr we don't have much diversity where I am.
stunt I will be Deffo doing the low carb diet. I still got alot to lose.


PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 21:40:10

We don't have much diversity here either. DH is half Tahitian and my granny who is very racist but does her best to hide it kept asking what colour DD1 was going to be. Erm, don't know granny, scans don't tell you. You could tell she was worried about it but didn't want to say. She has mentioned a few times since the girls were born how pale they are, but in a pleased not worried way hmm grin

YellowWellies Tue 30-Jul-13 21:41:12

Jonas best bud at playgroup is a wee black boy they often stare at each other with big curious eyes especially when holding hands / twatting each other. The wee boy has v cute pin curl hair - his Mum reckons it's going to be an awesome 'fro when he's older and Jonas has big gingery curls - they're fascinated by each other's hair and the differences in their skin colour. As PR says babies are programmed to soak up new sights and sounds and when they see someone different or unusual (to their eye) they do stare. It doesn't make them racist. Jonas is however beardist. My cousin was sporting new facewear the other week and it made him weep.

Stunt good skills. My body has gotten used to dairy free I've found all the bad dairy free stuff so my weight loss has stalled. I'm not going to diet for weightloss whilst I'm on a restrictive diet (though maybe not eating whole packs of wine gums in one sitting mightn't hurt?) but when I stop eating bread / baked goods the weight just falls off. I need to have muesli and koko milk for brekkie rather than having bagels with J.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 21:41:38

It's a good job my grandfather is no longer around actually I'm not sure what he'd have thought about me marrying a French man, let alone one that's half Tahitian grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 30-Jul-13 21:45:12

Ahh well. My boys are ginger. I am ginger. DH is ginger. DD1 is ginger.

DD2 is not.

They are leading a sheltered ginger lifestyle.

DD1 said " did someone swap DD2 in the hospital? She is not like any of us?" She meant looks and personality. She is right. DD2 is not a ginger worrier, she is a mouse brown happy go lucky one.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 30-Jul-13 21:45:59

I am off for a mini fab because of you lot. grin

Evilwater Tue 30-Jul-13 21:47:21

I keep being asked when N s ginger hair will show up! By his great grand mother. She is 95 this year and she uses the words when she was young. It can be very embarssesing. She's much better than she used to be, we've stopped her from using the N word.

YellowWellies Tue 30-Jul-13 21:49:33

PR a pal of mine when I lived in HK was blonde - she got a lot of attention when we went to mainland China as blonde hair is seen as gold and symbolic of wealth - I bet the Chinese tourists wanted pics with you and DD1 for good fortune.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 30-Jul-13 21:55:00

LOL sophia at "mouse brown happy go lucky one" grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 30-Jul-13 21:57:13

yw that's really interesting! Good job they didn't see my mousey roots. I quite like the idea of being a symbol of wealth. Would prefer obviously to be wealthy, but maybe being considered as a good luck charm is a sign that I'll get there one day.

<runs off to play the lottery>

Lily311 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:00:30

My brother married the only mixed race girl in the city. My nephew has amazing skin and hair and they always get stared at. My sil's and nephew's names are Nigerian and no one can understand or spell them. There is more diversity in Hungary now than 10 years ago but people still stare and think it is curiosity.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 30-Jul-13 22:01:35


ChasingDaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 22:02:40

All the talk of dieting and wanting to lose weight makes me sad. I would do anything rl gain weight right now. Being thin isn't all it is cracked up to be.

I was worried about O not looking like me when I was pregnant and it affecting bonding. But unless you know he is half Chinese I don't think you can see it.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 30-Jul-13 22:03:21

Evening all, glad to read of good nights for stunt and of the quiche meet. Loved the photo.

QQ: I took an antihestime tablet as I have an infected insect bite. I then read that it says do not take if BF. I'm not worrying and won't take any more but should I worry?

Evilwater Tue 30-Jul-13 22:04:20

Nite all. Sleepy dust to all.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 30-Jul-13 22:05:18

Chasing I'm with you on that. Operation "fatten the pig" has now begun. I haven't weighed myself in a while, but I know that my bottom half is in a size of clothing I haven't worn since I was about 14 years old. I can count my ribs sad

ChasingDaisy Tue 30-Jul-13 22:13:17

sad pig, horrid isn't it? Do you have a plan? I need a getting fat plan!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 30-Jul-13 22:36:24

Um. Eat more. Do less.

TBH, the only time I have ever put on weight was when I was drinking lots in the first year at uni. This isn't exactly a sustainable way to put on weight though. I shall try with chocolate, icecream, cheese etc. I don't hold out much hope. I think I need to gain at least 1.5 stone before my clothes start to fit again.

StuntNun Tue 30-Jul-13 22:51:45

Cheeseburgers Chasing? That's the Hollywood method for gaining weight. Make sure you're eating often enough. Add fat where you can, e.g. butter on potatoes and vegetables. Eat the fat on bacon, pork chops, chicken skin. Eat full fat yoghurt. Drink whole milk. These were all tips we had for DS2 when he dropped off the bottom of the percentile chart. Chances are you aren't eating big enough portions.

Eliza the antihistamine passes into the breast milk but won't do any harm. Antihistamines are famous in the pharmaceutical world for how safe they are.

My experience Chasing is that some people spot you are mixed race a mile off and others won't notice.

ChasingDaisy Wed 31-Jul-13 05:14:58

Thanks stunt I have started using whole milk in my porridge so that I only need to make one batch for me and O. I snack on nuts etc. I am definitely not eating enough to gain weight. Difficult at the moment as my stepmum cooks all of the meals. She thinks she is fattening me up but they follow WW and have very strict portion sizes etc. They don't even get close to 2000 calories a day but think that they eat a lot hmm Barely touches the sides for me. Will be easier once I have moved but I do find it incredibly difficult to gain weight. I have done nothing but lose weight since giving birth. Bit worried where it is going to end up.

Speaking of which, I am still giving O baby porridge, is there any reason he can't normal porridge with me?

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 31-Jul-13 05:51:43

chasing normal porridge should be fine, but real oats not the simple ones. Take it nice And slow you don't want to put on too much and get stuck in a rut. My guess is stress has played it's part and it will go on naturally when you move and grow in confidence. I remember the feeling of get me back when I left ex DH is a lovely freeing one.

Morning. DH made it to Holyhead. In my bets they are just pulling into Dublin. I will release breath around lunch time.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 31-Jul-13 05:52:32

Op I used to wizz apricots into porridge for girls. Was yum.

Pikz Wed 31-Jul-13 06:29:25

Anyone want a teething baby? Can post from holland?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 31-Jul-13 06:48:29


Bollocky bastarding stress inducing twats stopped me sleeping again (erm, not the children) I can't wait to pick up my prescription this afternoon.

Passmethecrisps Wed 31-Jul-13 07:05:12

Goooooooooood morning.

How are we all this morning? The sun on shining in central jocklandshire.

P is using a woven storage box like a walker and is shoving it across the floor while looking at us and grinning. Every time I try to get a pic she stops doing it.

DH is taking her to the CM this morning where she is being left for a couple of hours. Yikes!

P is a fan of beards. She squeals at men with beards. She will stare at anyone irrespective of colour!

Passmethecrisps Wed 31-Jul-13 07:06:12

Fucking twatting knobbing bawbags PR. Again, not the children.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 31-Jul-13 07:11:54

Pisswearing, knobtickling, ginsters pr

Mornings you guys.

Passmethecrisps Wed 31-Jul-13 07:12:33

Also, re weight gain, I have found that if you watch thin people eat (not that I make a point of doing that you understand) there can be a lot of plate activity but not necessarily eating. So lots of cutting up and moving food around. It can can a deliberate avoidance - I did it when trying to lose weight - or a nervous energy behaviour.

I still like VQ's idea of having a fat donation bank. I could give your ribs a good covering BP and some of my booty pork would make a smashing wee pair of boobs grin

PurplePidjin Wed 31-Jul-13 07:42:32

Dp shaved his beard off when R learned to grab. Not many of his long dreads have survived either hmm

grin 7:15-5:30 with on half hour battle wake up grin

fruitpastilles Wed 31-Jul-13 07:50:51

Nice name change ticklish

Glad you are ok izzy

S is a starer, she will stare at anyone she has no preference, she's just bet nosy like her mummy I really should try that low carb diet, I've come to the conclusion though that I am far to greedy to do a diet, I never stick to it, so for me exercise is the way forward, I'm starting spin classes next week, and a bums tums and thighs class, well that's if spin hasn't killed me grin
Well done on your weight loss stunt

We are all ginger here too sophia well, I say ginger, dp is more grey now and I have blonde highlights.

chasing S has normal porridge, well that or weetabix.

No sun here pass it's pissing down, hope P gets on ok at the cm, has she been left there on her own before or has she just been with you? I can't remember.

Shitting cuntybollocks wank stains!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 31-Jul-13 07:52:58

DH has offered to be a fat donor pass but thanks anyway! No pushing of food around my plate, it must be said, but a good friend who had an eating disorder was certainly guilty of that.

Pidj AMAZING!!!!

7-7 here again. Woke herself up having spun 180 degrees and was headbutting the cot hmm

PR I hope the motherfucking cunt-nobbing arseweasling tablets work.

fruitpastilles Wed 31-Jul-13 07:54:56

Please tell me they grow out of the need to pull hair soon?!

Cacacaz Wed 31-Jul-13 07:55:07

Morning everyone. I have decided that I must try to post more instead of lurking.

We had a lovely morning, yesterday, at the Jockland meet up.

pass I hope P has a lovely time at the childminders today

vq ouch re childcare. I do think that a nanny might be a cheaper option for you. I would reccommend calling a few agencies, they will be able to give you an idea of cost etc.

pikz I too have a teething baby. At this rate we are going to have shares in calpol.

eliza I have been taking piriton for months now. I was told it was the safest antihistamine during pregnancy and breastfeeding, however if I found it wasn't working I could try some others. I wouldn't worry easier said than done, I know

eliza antihistamines such as cetirizine and loratadine are fine. I'd almost die without mine, death by hayfever!

ticklish porridge is fine. And the simply original ones are fine, but not the flavoured ones as they're a bit sugary. M has ready brek as it's a bit quicker. Spoon it, stir in milk, 30 secs microwave. But if I was having porridge she'd have that with me.

Fucking woop woop for Ms sleep!!! She did 7-10 (I woke her coming to bed) and then 10:30-5:15am!! Woohoo. Then she had another hour or so til 7am.

I've moved M up a size in babygrows, her 3-6 were too small. But the 6-9 I've put her in is huuuuge

Passmethecrisps Wed 31-Jul-13 08:47:36

Not suggesting that you have an eating disorder BP!! I hope it didn't read that way? I do have a pal that does this though - she even does fake chewing.

Well, p has departed to CM with DH (and the world's largest changing bag and accompanying instructions!) She has been there for half an hour alone but has spent lots of time with the CM. I will be picking her up at 11am so a nap and a bottle for the cm to manage. Hence I sent DH out the door armed with sleeping bag, Ewan the sheep, about 7 dummies, 10 nappies, spare clothes and so on. I became proper PFB by writing a list of instructions "she likes her milk quite warm, sometimes to the harp on Ewan's right paw . . . "
I am sure she will be fine. I am currently sitting with a coffee wondering what to do with my couple of hours off. Might go and lie on the bed and read. I should really do all the housework I haven't been doing.

Brilliant sleeping PP!

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 31-Jul-13 08:58:30

Thanks to those for advice re antihistamines. fatima I'm taking the first one you mentioned. Just took another one, my insect bites are soooo itchy.

A grey miserable day here. DD1 has tennis this morning then might wander up to the library.

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 09:00:46

Morning fellow cunt-wearers grin

Thank you for the info about Nannies Cacacaz. Thankfully tax credits help ease the burden otherwise I simply could not afford to go to work as that is more than my take home pay. We are just waiting for news of our review. It is horrible waiting as you never know if they are going to give you a nice lump sum or cut your payments.

StuntNun Wed 31-Jul-13 09:25:21

Cetirizine should be fine Eliza as it's one of the older antihistamines so breastfeeding women have been taking it for decades.

Fruit the book about low carbing is £2.99 on Kindle or available in print. There's no calorie counting or carb counting, and you're supposed to eat when you're hungry so there's no need to starve yourself. I have lost weight but been able to maintain my supply of breastmilk, which I wouldn't have been able to do if I cut my calorie intake. The MN support group is outstanding and there's a lot of support. It's an unconventional way of eating so it's probably best suited to someone that does a lot of the cooking in the household. I tend to cook two vegetables with each meal so DH and I just have meat and veggies while the kids have their spuds, rice, etc. as well. But there are adaptions for vegetarians and advice on eating out and takeaways on the support thread.

Kyz Wed 31-Jul-13 09:29:10

Morning all! Have reached a compromise, couldn't not be me! Felt really odd. Anyway this is less obvious.

E had a very restless night and was crying at 5:30, which was shortly followed by a poosplosion so I'm guessing that's why. It couldn't have been hunger as when I did feed him at 6:50 he didn't drain it, odd. His poo is getting better in consistency but I still don't know whether I should take him doctors

Hope all goes well at the CM's pass

chasing E has had ready brek and baby porridge, but I've not bothered giving normal porridge yet cos he doesn't eat breakfast still anyway!

That is beginning to concern me now actually. Breakfast is supposed to be important and yet he refuses more than a few mouthfuls sad of everything. Will try normal porridge and see what happens.

Fucking wanking arse geese pr (not the kids)

Woohoo pidj and bplp and fatima!!

Hey cacacaz smile glad you enjoyed the meet up!

Well, my attempts to not eat chocolate last night worked! I had a small portion of what was left from tea, which admittedly wasn't the healthiest of foods but it wasn't chocolate and that is a success for me! blush. Unfortunately dp will offer to go to tesco 5 mins away day or night if I ask for something so it's all too easy to eat crap sad I must tell him to refuse in future. It's all his fault. Bastard. lol!

fruitpastilles Wed 31-Jul-13 09:49:05

Thanks stunt I'll check it out.

Haha kyz I blame dp for me being fat too, he is a fantastic cook and when we first got together he used to cook me amazing meals and would always give me the same portion size as his. I was a nice healthy weight before him lol. He has put weight on too, we got fat together and joke that we are both feeders haha. But it's got to a point now where we both need to do something about it.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 31-Jul-13 10:05:31

Agh just spent fucking ages tidying away lego and associated crap and DD1 has just tipped the box on the floor again. And is kicking the pieces in every direction.

Has to be tidied as we are going to the hospital this afternoon for my appointment and if I don't tidy the dog will chew it all up. Agh.

Fuckety fuckety fuckety bollocks and merde.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 31-Jul-13 10:25:18

My life pr, my life. Pick up Lego. Someone tips it out. Pick it up. Tip it out. And it goes on.

I can donate some wobbly tummy and bing wings.

YellowWellies Wed 31-Jul-13 10:39:40

Stunt I've downloaded that - thanks. I also quite like the idea of the 5:2 fasting diet. Both would be kinda long term lifestyle changes rather than short term point counting diets I guess which works better for me. I've only dieted once before to lose weight for our wedding and that involved cutting out bread, cheese and junk food and just substituting with loads of fruit and veg. Gah I didn't know how lucky I was in my 20s when I never put weight on and ate like a hog yet was always size 8-10. My Mum warned me my super fast metabolism would slow down after having kids. envy I've lost 30 lb this year thanks to dairy free - would like to lose another 12 but if we try for number 2 this autumn I'm just going to gorge, balloon, bloom in the first trimester again no doubt blush

MissMummy1 Wed 31-Jul-13 10:39:57

Morning all, will do my best to catch up!

<waves at cacacaz >

<lols at sophia's mousey daughter> - who is beautiful btw!!

<hugs PR >

I had a lovely day yesterday, The car journey wasn't too horrific YW, Believe it or not, it was Tilly's whinging that was getting to me, J's cries had virtually no effect on me whatsoever - I think it is true that you cannot switch off from your own baby! M was taking great delight in squealing and upsetting the bear, she is horrible grin

I am feeling very stressy this morning. Things kicked off a bit with ILs last night. SIL (owner of bratty 8yo, not neglector of M) had a very nasty conversation with DP about how rude I am not sending an invite to MIL for M's party. Now you might remember I asked her which date in August would suit them to come over for it and they said the wouldn't be coming - was I unreasonable to therefore not send an invite? I don;t think I was. SIL did. I have tolerated months and months of their snide comments about me and nasty remarks and last night i snapped a little. I've kept a dignified silence until now but messaged her last night to say (as politely and least confrontationally as I could) that I am deeply hurt by their behaviour towards me when all I have done is shown them kindness. Her reply was vile. So today i have given DP the ultimatum to deal with it or lose me . I have basically said it is them or m and me as i am not tolerating their pish anymore.

And now I feel very unreasonable and want to crawl under a rock and hide. sad

Woe is me, anyone want to reassure me lie to me that i am not losing it?

Glad to hear of so many sleeping baby. If you're reading izzy - your time will come. I used to feel really jealous and inadequate reading of lots of sleeping babies when M was at her worst, but if anything it goes to show that they do eventually learn at their own pace. I bet you anything when J cracks it he will be sleeping 12 hours straight. brew

YellowWellies Wed 31-Jul-13 10:40:56

I can donate a fine pair of saddlebags and a Buddha belly - one careful lady owner. grin

MissMummy1 Wed 31-Jul-13 10:42:02

sp sleeping babies

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 31-Jul-13 10:45:13

Hugs mm is what I was saying on fb, some people just have weird logic, and then seem to be able to twist it round to make themselves the victim and you the victimiser. Is bizarre. You will never win. So in true Mumsnet style SMILE AND NOD.

(Disclaimer, I have tried and tried and tried but it has taken me till this year -aged 40-- to be able to smile and nod and not get worked up, but if you can make it that you don't get worked up and they are the only person who gets worked up then is a silent victory!)

YellowWellies Wed 31-Jul-13 10:48:05

MM I'm not a fan of ultimatums (generally true meaningful behaviour change never results from them and the other person feels all martyrish and resentful and it tends to stop the other person from using their own empathy) but his family sound like weapons of the highest order. I don't think you were being unreasonable in not sending an invite after you'd already checked WTF??? I can't see how she'd get mad about that? I bet the sisters have been bitching - I hope your DP has been standing up for you. As for the hissy fit - I'm the same, I can take so much but eventually I let rip and bystanders beware! blush

PurplePidjin Wed 31-Jul-13 10:52:16

MM I'd have done the same - a verbal decline in the planning stages means no official invite hmm iirc this is likely to be a back-breaking straw for the camel otherwise known as your relationship?

R is asleep on my back. I bought pounds and pounds of veg at the market this morning. My shoulders hurt sad<wuss>

Thechick Wed 31-Jul-13 10:58:04

I haven't seen the n word written down in a while. It was a bit weird to see. My granny is a bit racist too. I blame the crap she had to go through when she first came to this country still being ingrained but she does try not to be. H stares at everyone, it's all new for them and I'm sure they see a smiley face or laughing eyes before they see colour at ths age. I think sometimes we might over think things when it comes to race especially when there aren't a mix of people in your area. We know as adults it's rude to stare but babies are just being babies. I was on the train with dh and H yesterday and a little girl looked at all of us and said dh couldn't have been H's daddy because dh was pink. The mother shushed her but I thought it would have been the perfect time to have a conversation. And Chasing you can definitely see the Chinese in O, which is lovely, it's who he is. It's funny I didn't really think about the bonding and looking different to me but I did about ds1.

Evilwater Wed 31-Jul-13 11:02:16

Morning all,
chasing and big I've got plently of fat if you want it!

We had a baby that slept through!grin grin from 8- 530 I never thought it possiable!

pass I'm the same with N. he has a massive black rucksack, where all the other children have small kiddy ones.


fruitpastilles Wed 31-Jul-13 11:10:47

mm I'm with you on this one, why on earth would you send an invite when you already know they aren't going. Your SIL sounds to me like she was just looking to stir things up. I hope your dp stuck up for you.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 31-Jul-13 11:23:53

mm YANBU and tbh I would have given him the same choice. Your husband or partner has chosen you to spend his life with, and therefore should always stand up for you, even against his family.

chick I agree that would have been a great time to have a conversation. When I broke my back I had to wear a brace for quite a while. When it was cold I could kind lf hide it under a jumper, but on the warm days I wore it over a tee shirt and everyone stared. I remember walking through the village and caught a child's eye and smiled. The kid was pointing me out to his mum, who, when she realised I had seen them, looked mortified and shhed him. So I wandered over and said hello and explained the weird thing I was wearing to the kid and told him to knock on it as hard as he could to see that it was protecting me like a tortoise is protected by its shell etc etc.

People don't like being pointed and stared at (though babies excepted of course) but it can be turned into an opportunity for discussion.

Two very bad tempered little girls here. I'm staying calm though, am quite chuffed. The fact that I know I will be able to take something to help me calm down is helping me calm down iyswim.

Thechick Wed 31-Jul-13 11:34:58

I think that's the great thing about living in london. I never feel like an outsider but going out of london I've felt uncomfortable at times because of people looking at me, I'm sure it's mostly due to curiosity rather than any malice.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 31-Jul-13 11:55:52

I'm sure it is curiosity, natural I guess. Most people aren't malicious.

Though I can think of one person in particular who absolutely is (you see how I can turn any conversation into one about my work? This is why I need the xanax)

DD1 and I have just been feeding ill bumble bees on the terrace. There were a couple on the ground and I read on here a few weeks ago that a sugar water mixture makes them better. She loved it, though I had to stop her trying to stroke them. "Poor bee, poor bee, cuddle bee"

fruitpastilles Wed 31-Jul-13 12:27:22

Yay, my book order has just arrived, I'm overly excited to read the snail and the whale!!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 31-Jul-13 12:36:02

one of them died sad

fruitpastilles Wed 31-Jul-13 12:40:11

Poor bee hmm

TheDetective Wed 31-Jul-13 12:43:06

Fruit That's the same scenario here!

DP was 10st when we met. Underweight! 19, and skinny as fuck. To be fair he could have done with putting a stone and a half on. I was 11st4. I could have done with losing a stone and a half! But I was happy where I was (lightest I'd been for several years).

Then he moved in. He put over 5st on in 6 months. I put on 3 stone, but over a longer period of time.

Then after O I put on over a stone and a half.

So we both bit the bullet and did our first diet! As of today, I have lost 2 stone, and DP has lost 2st 6lb in a shade over 3 months.

DP is nearly where he wants to be bastard he wants to lose 5 more lb. I've told him to bugger off he can lose another stone so I'm not doing this alone!! I've got another 3 stone to go to my first target. And then if I can lose that, and maintain for a while, I may try and go for another stone and a half off.

That would put me at around a size 10, and I'm not sure I can keep that up.... we'll see!

No advice on putting weight on, other than eat too much shit - which is clearly what we had been doing here! Though for some people it isn't that simple is it?

Chasing DS1 is eating SW at dinner time. He lost 7lb in the first month. He was very slim before at 6st 12 (he's 5ft2)! So I have been careful to add extra fats to his foods in the form of whole milk, plenty of cheese, full fat yoghurts, nuts, bread, cream etc.

TheDetective Wed 31-Jul-13 12:47:45

O had a very late night last night thanks to falling asleep in the car coming home at 6pm hmm. I didn't even try putting him to bed til almost 9.30.

He woke at 5. Fed, back to sleep.

I fully expected him to wake up between 6 and 7 regardless of what time he went to bed as it hasn't seemed to have an effect before.

8.45. shock

8.45 shock shock shock


And you know what? I went to bed after he did last night! And DP did the feed. So I've had a shit load of sleep makes up for the night before grrrr!.

I'm still in shock here!

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 13:16:55

Detective the stuff from that website is fab. I have ordered more for the present cupboard. All my girls friends will be getting One Direction pjs come their birthday. My girls are getting matching sets for Christmas. J has a Thomas bag for nursery and a hungry caterpillar bag for holidays so he did ok too. They have sold out of a lot of stuff.

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 13:19:20

J choked on a blueberry today when daddy was looking after him and i was getting dressed. Everyone panicked and they are all traumatised. Vomit everywhere. J is still not happy as his meds came back too. Poor wee boy.

Lily311 Wed 31-Jul-13 13:22:53

The health visitor just came, it's compulsory to visit kids once a month under the age of one. So some weird things: O should have vitamin d every day even. she gets sun every day, plenty of it actually. Not allowed to eat (and I kid you not): beans, lentils, egg white, chicken thighs though breast is allowed, no use of milk in cooking, no strawberries, raspberries, kiwi, mushroom. That's the rule here, told her I was glad she was British so the rules don't apply. I mean wtf? Chicken breast is ok but no thighs? Strange, strange country.

I don't even want to talk about weight gain and loss, just makes me feel miserable. But well done det, you are doing well.

Passmethecrisps Wed 31-Jul-13 13:23:54

Poor bee sad

Poor J sad

P was a champion superstar at the CM. she managed a 30 minute nap which I am pleased with. The rest of the time she played and smiled and giggled. Apparently one of the other children said she would like to take p home. She had lunch when she came home and down for a nap. Perfect.

I am now watching breaking bad and waiting for my mushroom soup to cook.

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 13:29:42

Well done P! And how was mummy for those two hours? J starts on Monday so I am wondering how I will do. Just taster sessions mon and fri, then full days mon and fri until I am back to work.

YellowWellies Wed 31-Jul-13 13:30:37

Wah VQ I'm really confused as to what size their oesophagus is - and what sized food would choke them. I'm scared of giving sweet corn, blueberries, unmashed peas etc for choking reasons but what about bigger stuff like grapes? Big hug to you, DH and DS sad scary biscuits sad sad sad I am now shock shock shock shock about blueberries.

On a tangent but a thought from the haggis meet, those struggling with food refusal or other stressful mealtimes - do you reckon they need to be on a higher dose of omeperazole? If we give less than 2mg / kg per day food is a battle - at 2 you can pretty much shovel anything in / he'll try any finger food. I know it's not ideal to have to medicate the wee dudes but my view is is best to approach it aggressively now to avoid food aversions ie associating eating with a sore throat - in the future. Worth a shot?

Passmethecrisps Wed 31-Jul-13 13:44:06

I agree YW. P is still a bit meh sometimes but on higher meds she can eat a fair amount without seeming uncomfortable. So if she doesn't eat it it is because she doesn't fancy it rather than being in pain.

I have been giving P blueberries but she shoots them straight back out of her mouth anyway. I sometimes smoosh them a little bit before she gets one. Pretty scary.

I was fine, thanks VQ. I lay and read a book for a while. P was a wee but funny about taking her milk but that will be practice. I gave her it when I arrived to collect her so CM got a good look at P's preferred position and so on. P seemed very happy and was sitting in my arms smiling and giggling at the CM right up until we left.


StuntNun Wed 31-Jul-13 13:46:16

YW the low-carb diet would probably be quite easy for you given your current diet. The biggest problem would be not being able to have butter but you could substitute coconut oil, olive oil or lard. There's some Mumsnet info here and a Mumsnet questions thread. I'm amazed that I can eat lovely food, not be hungry at all, and still lose weight. If you look at the current Bootcamp thread then you'll see quite a few people have joined recently.

The low carb diet combines very well with intermittent fasting because you don't get the same hunger pangs. The recommendation is very strongly to establish low carb eating before introducing fasting as your body takes up to six weeks to adapt. Also you'll probably find that you lose weight very quickly at first then you can introduce fasting when your weight loss slows or plateaus. It's not necessary to be as strict as 5:2 though, some people skip one meal a day or occasionally see how long they can go before they get hungry.

Poor J VQ, I hope you're all feeling a bit less wobbly about it now. It's such a scary thing to happen.

I don't think it's the oesophagus rather it's how likely things are to stick. I cut fruit with a skin (blueberries, grapes) into two or four pieces but give raspberries and small strawberries whole. Big strawberries get diced and given with a spoon which is verrry popular. smile

StuntNun Wed 31-Jul-13 14:00:58

Forgot to say MM my PIL are twunts of the highest order as well. I don't seek them out any more and I passively try to avoid contact with them BUT at the end of the day they are DH's parents so I just have to suck it up when I have to spend time with them. I do stand up for myself though so I can see it coming to a row at some point. They were very against me doing an OU degree so if there are any snide comments about that now it's finished then I will almost certainly explode.

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 14:25:44

After talking to DH it seems J was not choking, merely gagging. DH overreacted as he was worried J would choke. He does not feed him often and I had tried to explain and he had said he knew what he was doing. He had given J a good wallop whilst upside down so no wonder the poor boy brought everything up. It really upset DH. The blueberries had been specially selected as they were tiny. I think at this age their gullet is about the width of a finger so grapes and blackberries are just the right size to get lodged and as they are hard they are potentially dangerous. I remember a small baby choked on a hot dog sausage and died, and another on a marshmallow as they are very sticky and swell.

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 14:27:12

MM I do not think an ultimatum will hurt. He is in the dog house as it is so needs keeping in line.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 31-Jul-13 14:58:12

Reality has hit today.

I am leaving my place of work for 17 years next Friday.

I am moving across the sea.

<scared girl emoticon >

Kyz Wed 31-Jul-13 15:01:04

Afternoon. Gee it's one of those days. Eric is awake early from his long nap. He never does this. I am leaving him in the hope he goes back to sleep cos he will never manage to get to 7pm from now and he's been unsettled mardy arse all day so far

I love Lego. Not looking forward to the endless tidying it up though!

mm I would've assumed a no to a verbal invite means I don't have to worry about inviting them via written invitation, how odd!

Aww pr that's sweet re: the bees. Sorry one died sad

Sounds like a good sleep there det!! You're doing fab with the weight loss too smile

lily some of those things are really odd!

Eek vq sounds very scary sad I can see why your dh would've thought choking as gagging looks awful IMO, I hate it. yw e manages really well with peas and sweetcorn and similar. I agree that it is the likelihood of things sticking, or getting lodged. On my first aid course the lady said that it is about the width of a straw, but it's things that are grape/blueberry sized that might get lodged in. Oddly I never worried about peas or sweetcorn, I assumed he would just cough them back up. Chunks of cheese scare me. As does untoasted bread.

Fuck sake. Fucking wankering cunting twatting hillbilly farmer bastard fuckers across the road have some fuck off truck thing roaring and waking e up. Fuck sake. Very tempted to go and stick a spud up the exhaust. Cunts.

pass well done to p!

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 15:29:55

Kyz is right.

A young child's trachea is the size of a straw. Fuck me. I knew they were tiddly, but not that tiddly.

Thank you Kyz.

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 15:31:26

I am getting really excited about Christmas already. I have started my shopping and have a list already.

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 15:32:33

Sophia MM was 4 when you started working there. It is a long time. You are bound to feel strange.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 31-Jul-13 15:53:40

Lol * vq*. I am happy, but just a bit scared. Emotional, but not sad.

fruitpastilles Wed 31-Jul-13 16:12:05

vq me and dp were talking about Christmas today, only about how S is going to destroy the tree though. He said shall we not put one up this year....... Errrrm I don't think so!

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 16:15:54

We put the Christmas tree in the play pen, or just have the little one on a high table.

fruitpastilles Wed 31-Jul-13 16:21:17

I think we might need to get a smaller tree, ours is 7ft, it touches the ceiling and takes up the whole corner of the room, either that or S will definitely have learnt the meaning of no come January haha.

PennieLane Wed 31-Jul-13 16:33:48

I agree thechick and it gave me a start to see the n word too.

Well done det I'm back to my usual weight, think its because of all the walking I do. chasing I used to struggle to put weight out and was given something called Build Up (basically opposite of Slim Fast but the same idea) by doctor. Maybe give it a go?!

PennieLane Wed 31-Jul-13 16:35:15

Exciting sophia!!

I'm catching Xmas fever from VQ!

Lily that us such a weird list!!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 31-Jul-13 16:35:40

Agh, Christmas!

<buries head in sand>

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 16:47:32

Got any grapes?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 31-Jul-13 17:46:28

lily they have some funny rules here too. I do a mix and match of the rules of each country which suit me grin

BigPigLittlePig Wed 31-Jul-13 19:36:08

Thanks VQ - got that nobbing song in my head now....dum dum du du dum.....waddle waddle grin

Thanks for all the offers of body parts guys! If only it was that simple. I had build up before, and complan, but it didn't help. Shall just eat like a big fat big and add cheese to everything.

Lily how strange! I kind of understand the vitamin D thing, as we slather our babies in sun cream, so they don't often get enough direct sunlight on their skin. 10 minutes a day is what they (and we) need.

Det well done you. And nice one O - what a lie in!

I had computer training today (yawn) BUT found myself in a room with 5 paediatric consultants grin. I probably pissed them right off asked them a few Qs about CMPI grin blush. They were very helpful though! I got a fairly standard sort of letter a few months back where they said to challenge with regular formula in 3 months shock which I have obviously ignored. They were quite shocked she is on Nutramigen AA, and intolerant of soya too, as apparently the number of babies who are this intolerant is quite low. Anyhoo. Was nice for me to have a chat!

SIL came over yesterday, she was saying that the wife of a colleague is struggling big time with their 12 month old. He has multiple intolerances, and is on Pepti Jnr, but still only sleeping for 2 hour stretches at night, won't be put down, has dreadful wind/runs. The husband has slept on the sofa for the past year, and the mum is on her knees/gaunt/exhausted. I felt dreadful for them, as they have obviously been told numerous things. The latest was to feed him gluten (which he has obvious problems with) so they can check his blood for coeliac (test would be negative if he had excluded it) - but if he has gluten he screams and is clearly in agony. They are so confused sad. I told SIL to give them my number but not sure if she will ring. I feel sorry for her that she doesn't have the quiche wisdom behind her.

Pikz Wed 31-Jul-13 19:36:15

Poor baby. He's only been down an hour and already up crying. Am preparing myself for a bad night. Why does it have to happen when I am not at home?

BigPigLittlePig Wed 31-Jul-13 19:39:55

In fact, if it wasn't for the fact that SIL lives in Somerset, and the baby is 12 months not 8, I would have wondered if she knew izzy.

Pass fab news re: CM - has partially restored my faith in them.

Scary choking chat. I too have seen a wee one die from choking on sausage that his grandma gave him. Mercifully, these things are relatively rare, so I have to try to push them from my mind. F often gags on things, tonight was no exception, but if she can cough, then she is getting enough air in to expel air in the form of a cough. I have to keep telling myself that....Only once she has gone a bit purple, then done an epic vom whilst I soiled my pants

YellowWellies Wed 31-Jul-13 20:21:55

Oh BP that poor Granny she must have blamed herself forever for that sad and poor you - to see a wee one die must be the worst thing ever. Just reading that made me hug my snoring bear closer. So sad sad sad sad

We went to a petshow at a nearby village festival today. Hilarious. Jonas did much stroking / attempted fur pulling and giggling. He also got licked clean of rice cake by an overenthusiastic beagle grin then it was all too much for him and he feel asleep in my arms, in the crowded park, right next to the tannoy blaring out. I could also have kidnapped an amazing ragdoll cat called Boris who was just the bollocks. He owned the show and wasn't flustered by the 50 or so dogs around him. He just mooched along on a lead. Brilliant.

YellowWellies Wed 31-Jul-13 20:23:02

Pass yey on CM time!

Pikz brew brew brew xx

BigPigLittlePig Wed 31-Jul-13 20:35:18

<eyes pussypig>
<ponders lead>

<eats more chocolate>

ChasingDaisy Wed 31-Jul-13 20:49:04

Eek Christmas chat grin I luffs Christmas. This year will be an odd one but I am still excited.

Thanks pennie when I register with my new gp I will ask about that.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 31-Jul-13 20:49:53

Sorry to read of of poor J choking/gagging vq.

kyz That's a better name change smile I called you that anyway so very easy for me to remember.

pass Glad all went well at the cm.

bplp Yay for a peaceful hour and reading.

Can't believe there's xmas chat already! I absolutley love xmas but I'll get summer out of the way before I start thinking about birthdays and christmas! DD1 is an Jan baby so it all comes at once!

So E has had the tube out since Saturday pm. We're having out ups and downs. Eating is going really well on the whole so no complaints on that front. But milk is another matter. She takes it from the cup in the mornings. No interest any other time of the day. So the other night I tried a bottle before bed and low and behold she downed the whole thing. So last I did the same and again she took it no problem. But tonight, well she didn't want it anywhere near her. I just can't get my head round her. She can do it, and seems like she gives things a go twice but then rules them out. I'm still trying to bf but my supply is dwindling so much there isn't enough to keep her going. Ahhhh. Still I guess the plan was never to get her to take a bottle. She just got my hopes up a bit. During the day it's fine, she doesn't need milk. It's the bed time milk that gets me. I don't know how to do a soothing bed time routine without the milk. We do bath, story etc but it's like there's a bit missing. I stick her on the boob and she gets some but then seems to get frustrated that there isn't as much as she wants and starts kicking her legs and burying her face. I've now finally got similic on prescription so I guess that will help with her calorie in tact. Sorry that was such a rant. It wasn't meant to be. There are huge positives in that she seems to be thriving still without the tube. Will find out on the next dietician appt if she's mananged to sustain her weight but at the moment the signs are good.

My Dsis is coming for dinner tomorrow so trying to think of things I wanted to eat once I wasn't pregnant anymore. I know she wan'ts a rare steak but I don't think steak tastes as good at home as it does in proper restaurants but that might be just because I can't cook them as good.

This has taken me forever to type so there's probably lots of crossed posts.....will go and catch up!

Passmethecrisps Wed 31-Jul-13 21:23:37

eliza it must be endlessly frustrating and worrying. I have no suggestions but I can completely understand your worry and confusion.

BP you were in my head the whole time. When p fell over, bumped her head and needed a cuddle while we were there she was all cooried in sort of whimpering. Then the CM who had been looking at and talking to me started to laugh - p was tilting her head and peekabooing with her through my arm - all smiles and giggles. She obviously feels happy and comfortable. Thank fuck.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 31-Jul-13 21:25:03

Eliza did they ever find a reason for why E struggled with her weight gain? Sorry if you have said before and I've missed it. Will have everything crossed for you both that she has maintained her weight though.

Kyz Wed 31-Jul-13 21:34:35

Evening smile

s'ok vq smile It's about the only useful thing i've got to contribute lol!

sorry sophia cross posted before, i bet you're very nervous and excited all at once!

Christmas?! I can barely plan/see the way clear to August lol... oh wait... that's soon, isn't it? I do love christmas though smile

oh bplp that sounds a very difficult time of it your SIL's colleague and her family are going through. I do hope she gets in touch with you. And omg re: the sausage. Someone I know but can't mention properly gives her LO things like sausage and grapes as they are and it scares me to death to watch her eat them. She's one, but has been eating sausage like we do and grapes the same since about 7 months old. I bet that granny was beside herself and it can't have been nice for you at all - i'd really struggle with seeing something like that sad

yw sounds like a fun day! Ragdolls are amazing, I have 3 because i am greedy and love them to death and they are brilliant. Very docile and E adores them.

Glad you like this NC Eliza I figured most people call me this anyway and it's much less obvious because the old one was something everyone calls me as a nickname so it's pretty much my name depending on who you talk to! I bet that's pretty frustrating with E and the milk but it's fab that you're seeing so many positives in how she's going with the tube out too smile I have everything crossed that she maintains her weight/gains some by your next appt. A cup for milk isn't really suitable at night is it? I am guessing you've tried different sized teats/different shapes/bottles etc? Didn't want to suggest such a thing as i'm sure you've tried lots of different things! Anyway I hope she comes round.

Is it just me or is madame not about? Am i being daft and she's been on and i've gone blank or something?

Bet this is cross posted with lots of others

Oh forgot to say, mega whingy day from e, and still runny complete with a whole raisin so going to ring the doctors tomorrow

TheDetective Wed 31-Jul-13 21:39:08

VQ I ordered a couple of things, waiting for them to arrive! grin

I can't wait for christmas! Love it! Although I will be working this year sad I've ordered O's first present - although I think this might be for his birthday. I can't decide! I had a voucher so paid £30! Fisher Price Ballapaloosa!

I bought him a Fisher Price sit to stand Giraffe today. It's similar to something DS1 had when he was little - and was a firm favourite! So far O is loving it, but just for the balls on top! He's not grasped the concept of putting the balls in the hole to make them roll down the chute yet!

I'm keeping an eye on eBay for some wooden blocks and toys for him too.

And fuck off with the grapes you buggers <washes ears out with bleach> grin.

Oh, also I got a black out blind for O's room tonight. It's going up tomorrow. Fingers firmly crossed that this might help cut that bloody night feed out which I am pretty sure he doesn't actually need...

Oh, the tree. It's going in the baby jail. Only the other night I sat up and shouted FUCK! DP was like, what's up! I said. Three words. Oscar, Christmas, tree. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! The thought makes me want to cry!

The choking thing is scary. Hope DH has got over it now VQ.

I thought O was a bit quiet last night. He was hiding under the table with the dog. The dog had been given a carrot to eat. O was sat there eating a pre-dog chewed carrot. I nearly vommed at the thought! Had to fish it out his mouth without it going down his throat. I was quite worried as raw carrot is just too tough for him yet. And it was perfect throat blocking size. Fecking dog. Fecking baby! She'd been given the carrot in the kitchen but ran off with it!

Sophia you'll be fine! Completely normal to feel nervous. I'm envy. I'd love to be in your position right now wink.

ChasingDaisy Wed 31-Jul-13 21:44:58

I just literally LOL'd at the dog-Oscar-carrot incident det grin

The quiche is at its most awesome best tonight xx

TheDetective Wed 31-Jul-13 21:48:15

I think I only have one expression and one emotion these days. Exasperation.


Elizadoesdolittle Wed 31-Jul-13 21:51:14

Nope, bplp there has never been a medical diagnosis as to why she struggled to put on weight. On all her notes it says bottle aversion. But millions of women successfully ebf their babies without the need for bottles. In fact I did it with DD1 for the first 3 months at least and only switched to mixed feeding through choice rather than need. The silent reflux has been marked down as the reason to the bottle aversion but that's been under control with meds for so long now that can't be an issue (although I guess as it's silent it could rear it's head again but she is showing no signs of reflux pain). And yes kyz pretty much every teat/bottle has been tried. And now I'm racking up a nice collection of cups! She has 2 tt ones (very hit and miss) a doidy one and flexible cup which are the ones we've had most success with and I've recently added an oxo training cup to the mix which is proving to have mixed results so far. And yes pass you've hit the nail on the head. It is confusing as she has proved time and time again she can drink from any of these impliments. She just chooses not too! And we've tried ebm, water, various types of juice so it's not that she just unlikes the formula offered. Ah I don't know, I'm going round in circles. I don't want to go back to the worrying stage (well I do worry anyway but the worrying that turns into angst iyswim). I'm done with that. I'll just be thankful she does actually eat. She's a contrary little fucker grin

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 31-Jul-13 22:11:27

Wow detective I've never seen that beofre. Looks great, but huge. Why are all the fun toys at this age so big?! Mind you I guess E won't be in the jumperoo by then so one big plastic toy will just get replaced by another.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 31-Jul-13 22:12:04

vq that must have been terrifying. I work on the round stuff is chokeable: grapes, round berries, maltesers (for dd1) anything tube like. Anything that chould get stuck in the tube without letting anything pass iyswim. Because if something is soft, or hard but wonky, like an accidental bit of toy some air at least would get past, surely. Enough to get help or dislodge. I remember once dislodging something from DD1 when she was this age - by doing a heimlich type manoeuvre on her, because of what I had seen in films. Took her to the paed the next day, because I had since googled and seen what I did could have broken ribs etc. The paed said, nothing was broken, and, anyway, a cracked rib is far better than choking but any prolonged pain, ie more tha a few minutes and not çalmed by cuddles or calpol should be seen quicker. I hope DH is ok, I imagine it was scary for him.

Am I the only one not buying toys for LO? I just find she is ok examining the remote, or DD1's old toys, which are all broken. She has lots of books, which she eats, and the dog is fascinating. She has time in her jail, time on my knee and time in her walker thing. When she gets bored I dance or make DD1 dance or give her a crust of bread which is suckable but apparently fascinating.

sophia I would be scared but excited in your position. When I was 18 I moved to France. Moved back to the UK at 20, back to Paris at 22, and became an French-Luxembourgish worker 7 years later. I'm a bit envy but very excited on your behalf. I've got itchy feet now but we have to stay here for financial reasons a few more years. Next stop, an island. Enjoy the culture shock, albeit a minor one.

I'd love to talk about grapes but welnly sell lemonade here.

Christmas tree. LO will have no choice but to learn the meaning of the word no. End of. DD1 managed it at 9 months; am setting similar standards for dd2 and yes I may well be disapointed

kyz am v happy with your latest name, twas what i called you anyway.

Also missing gazelle I hope she isn't working too hard?

Glad izzy is Ok. Maybe we could offer her a day when we do a food and sleep amnesty? To be planned in advance? So that she could come and have a rant without having to read our food an sleep issues?

detective I am massively pissed off onyour behalf.

And on mine.

Kirrin Wed 31-Jul-13 22:13:06

bollocks. I just wrote a long post and lost it. I shall try and remember fat chance

MM I think you've done the right thing. You did invite her. She declined. What's her problem?

and stunt WHy on earth would anyone be against you doing an OU degree?!

PR Your DD1 sounds adorable smile

bplp Thats awful about the sausage. And the poor Granny sad I don't know how you deal with things like that. I can't even think about it without getting a bit panicky.

Eliza It must be frustrating not knowing what the deal is with E, but it sounds like she's doing well.

I just phoned up for DD1's blood test results, expecting them to say all was well, but instead they wanted me to make an appointment. They did say it wasn't urgent, but they've obviously found something wrong so now I'm worrying. The appointment is on Friday so not toooo long to wait I guess.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 31-Jul-13 22:14:44

Lol det

Yep * kyz* better get him checked out, hopefully he is ok but if his nappies are sloppy then something isn't quite right.

Now I never say this but tonight O is being an absolute PITA. He was asleep just before 7 but then woke up just before 8 and has screamed his head off ever since. First port of call teething gel, no. I took him downstairs with me and he was ok for 20 mins started whinging He has a runny nose so I thought maybe he us moving down with another cold and feels stuffed up so calpol. No luck. Put him to bed lay next to him. Whinged. Picked him up, happy. Brought him into bed with me happy but messing around. Given him some water and Have put him back in bed. Is shouting. But I don't know what else to do. He has not had any milk at night for about 8 weeks so I really don't think it is that.

<grimace emotion >

BigPigLittlePig Wed 31-Jul-13 22:14:52

PR no toys here - stingy mummy. Plus she usually just wants to be carried around anyway...

TheDetective Wed 31-Jul-13 22:22:09

O adores toys. More the better as far as he is concerned. hmm

He gets very easily bored, a toy will hold his attention for a few minutes. If there isn't another toy near by he will then start going for everything he shouldn't be more than he already does!. He spends a lot of time playing. Most of his wake time at home is either playing or eating.

Ball chasing is his current favourite activity. He likes to chase different types of balls! Funny boy!

I think if he had a toddler sibling, he would be more happily entertained!

We have masses of toys now. I see them as an investment though, properly looked after, they will go through 2 children, and then get sold on hopefully.

I am lucky to have a large living/dining room. All the toys are down here. Jumperoo is very close to being put away. But it is useful when we hoover so not sure whether to keep it out another month or so!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 31-Jul-13 22:27:16

eliza I bet you anything that in a few years you'll be on this thread telling us about the fact LO is wanting oysters, and some exotic cheese or something or other because she has become some kind of food uber-genius taster grin

She'll be tasting your spag bol and saying, yes, it would be nicer with a glas of chablis, but as I am 8, I know I have to wait


Your sôle marinée is divine, but would be lovely with a glass of wine


Fish and chips? Without the freaking peas? Are you taking the piss?

I'm trying and failing to be funny but, she'll get there, she'll eat and be fussy or not, but no-one will be able to deny that you have done and gone beyond your best for her. I am so chuffed that her tube is gone.

I went to the gastro enterologist today. He's a love. Chief of the gastro ent but saw me at my worst a few years ago, spewing and shiting blood like nothing on earth. We hadn't seen each other for a couple of years, s e my post op check. Walked into the room: oh, I remember you. And I relived the horrendous experience of the post DD1 few weeks. I have to go back in September for a gastroscopy under GA. I said, mais non, do what you have to do, I'm used to gastroscopies with no sedation. But he wants to scope and biopsy and all kinds of boring stuff. Very dull, but has to be done. I the meantime he says go ahead on the xanax, ppis and sleeping pills.

Ok then. Will give them all a go at the weekend.

YellowWellies Wed 31-Jul-13 22:27:25

Kyz perfect name and mahoosive ragdoll envy. They are too cool for school.

PR I've lived in HK, Finland, South Africa and all over the UK and have constant wanderlust. I blame being born in the year of the horse.

ValiumQueen Wed 31-Jul-13 22:33:51

Not caught up but wanted to give Kirrin a slightly pished (((hug))) about the blood results. If there is something of concern at least they know about it so they can hopefully treat it. Cold comfort I know.

Kyz Wed 31-Jul-13 22:34:28

What was the website vq and det? I'm being thick but can't find it, i've trawled through the fred but nope am blind ta much!

Also det both the giraffe and the ballapalooza thingies are AMAZING! E loves the fisher price roll about balls or whatever they're called and has some weirdy gumball machine that he enjoys.

Is it terrible of me to buy some toys from a car boot sale? I've dettol'd/steam cleaned them to death but snidey comments from certain persons make me feel a bit crappy for getting them sad

I had to laugh det at the dog carrot incident! Good job you noticed though!

She will get there eliza smile I had to repeat that several times this morning at breakfast time, and every other fucking breakfast time!! I really wish i knew what to do with breakfast but i am just grateful he does as well as he does and i don't want to do brekkie before bottle because he's dropped right down to 20-22oz now so am wary of changing anything else in case he stops taking enough milk

kirrin I hope dd1 is ok, not long at all now till friday, I can imagine it'll drag for you though sad

sounds like no fun sophia erm...anything like a cot mobile/music to distract him/chill him out?

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 31-Jul-13 22:34:52

I dream that my children will be like that pr

He has gone quiet. Dare I go in and check? No I think I will leave it for a while.