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November 2012 - Summertime, and the babies are sleeping (mostly with a few notable exceptions)

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StuntNun Sun 21-Jul-13 20:07:03
ChasingDaisy Sun 21-Jul-13 20:12:02

I'll christen the new thread with a biscuit.

I have a baby who is a bit of both. Have had a couple of nights of sleeping through, but more often than not we are getting 2-3 wake ups.

fruitpastilles Sun 21-Jul-13 21:01:14

S is sleeping through, and even in this weather won't sleep unless she's in her pjs and a sleeping bag, with a fleecy blanket to rub on her face!

Pikz Sun 21-Jul-13 21:20:32

I have a sleep througher but he hates naps and is a pain to get to bed at the moment

BigPigLittlePig Sun 21-Jul-13 22:16:53

Sleep through-er here too - at last! I never thought I'd say those words! But an early riser. A very early riser. 5am is not morning F!

PurplePidjin Sun 21-Jul-13 22:31:04

2 short wakes is normal here, with last night the exception. Hoping he catches up with the rest of you soon!

Who else is still bfing? Seems like most have moved to bottles now for various reasons?

TheDetective Sun 21-Jul-13 22:36:58

Still russian roulette here!

Some nights he sleeps, most are now at 1 wake up. Thank fuck.

But early wake ups more the norm here too sad

StuntNun Sun 21-Jul-13 22:51:19

Still bfing here Pidj. Now that J is on solids he doesn't get any expressed milk or formula at all as he can just have solids if I'm away from him for any reason. I'm not looking forward to that first tooth though!

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 21-Jul-13 23:18:29

E sleeps through. I think the tube feed I used to do before I went to bed carried her through the night. However when I haven't been able to do that due to the tube coming out it hasn't seemed to disturb her. For the last 3 nights she hasn't had the tube at all, day or night. I did wonder how it would effect her nights. First 2 nights she woke around 5 for a quick bf and went back till about 8. Last night she went till 7.30am.

TheDetective Sun 21-Jul-13 23:29:53

So what are we classing as sleeping through? I class it as bedtime (which here is between 7 and 8) and 7am!

itsnotyouitsMeals Mon 22-Jul-13 00:26:29

Still bf here. Just finished feeding DD1 at 3.5 yo. Hoping I can persuade this one to stop earlier esp as diary free! Sleeps with one wake usually though not tonight.

Lily311 Mon 22-Jul-13 04:51:16


I'm broody. Very much so. I'm 34 in oct and frankly i have no idea what the future holds.

O woke screaming, I can feel her top tooth, well the gum is swollen. Hope it pops soon.

O sleeps through. Thanks fuck.

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 22-Jul-13 04:53:27

Sorry for the thread ending. I'm tired, grumpy and emotional.

det I'd class sleeping through as midnight til 6am just now!! No point moaning that J isn't as you all know that anyway and are probably sick to death of reading about it. I think I'm going to take a break from here. It's getting too hard reading about everyone else's babies and how well they're eating and sleeping. Especially when J won't touch food and isn't sleeping or napping. It's too hard to take. I can't cope anymore. Hopefully I'll report back at some point that he's cracked it but for now thanks for all the support.

Lily311 Mon 22-Jul-13 05:24:44

Oh izzy huge hugs. I'm pretty sure J will crack it and you will all be so happy.

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 05:32:56

Oh izzy massive hugs. I wish I could make everything better for you, I really do.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Mon 22-Jul-13 05:47:53

Oh izzy I wish there was something we could do to help. Take a break if you need to but wears all here for you.

YW I got updiffed with S around DD's first birthday - we have 21 months between them. Quite a tough first few months, even though I'd say they are both pretty easygoing DC (no major food or sleep issues). 2 under 2 is just a juggling act, elder DC still needs a lot of physical care, and newborn needs constant contact. I think that after this first year, the age gap will have so many benefits - I hope!

I'm pretty sure S is last baby. In fact I know he is, but it seems so final saying that.

YellowWellies Mon 22-Jul-13 05:48:35

PP still EBF though planning to wean at one - think I'll possibly also wean earlier if I get preggers as I don't want to tandem feed as that was possibly why my niece arrived 3 months early (it was that or suspected listeria) and I'd be terrified of having an early prem. 36 weeks was fine 27 weeks would be shock shock shock shock Also I want to eat calcium rich foods cheese and chocolate oink oink oink grin

As for sleep 3 nights a week its one wake up about nowish and then he goes til 8.30 / 9am and 4 nights a week there's none but he's up by 7.30am - I prefer the nights with one waking! It's been good for 3 months so that's why I'm convinced we're due a horrible regression.

Izzy it will be James so soon darlin it will - don't disappear. You are doing so freaking amazingly. I wish I could make you a RL full dairy brew with lots of biscuit. It's v easy to forget a meds dose - it's happened here a few times, also I'd have caved and BF too. Maybe the first night of pure FF you need to put ear plugs in and let DH do the battle?

Bryzoan Mon 22-Jul-13 05:55:22

Oh izzy. I too was envy reading of all the sleeping. G was up loads too and hasn't had fewer than 3 wakening for months. More than that last night though lost count plus dd twice too. Don't leave us. Others may be blessed with sleep - but have other crap to contend with that I am definitely not envy of.

I hate to say it though but I do think you need to bite the bullet now, switch to bottles of neocate and stop offering bf. If you try and do a bit of both I think he will stop taking the bottles - he isn't daft. I know you must be sad about the bf and it is really inconvenient - but you both need that sleep and he needs to start recovering from the reflux. And if dh forgets the meds again give him what for. You won't nail the sleep or the solids till he is recovered or recovering at least. And I fear that bottles without bm is what's needed for that.

I have been having milk traces but know I have to cut them - and if that doesn't work will be joining you on the switch. G and I both need more sleep too - and while I love bf, if it is making him uncomfortable and stopping him sleeping I know it is not what is best for him. I will give a full on dairy exclusion a go but can't manage more than that diet wise at the moment. Family life is just too challenging.

Big hugs izzy - hope you can get a bit of rest today.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Jul-13 06:28:34

We do 7:00 to 06:30 on a good day 05:45 on a bad day, which seems to be a lot at the mo. this isn't too bad as I get my evenings and on work days we leave the house at 07:15 so I need them up by 06:30. Really I like to have half n hour to sort myself out before the boys wake but that just hasn't been happening with the light and warm mornings.

DS2 would sleep later normally but he doesn't normally have a lunchtime nap every day. During the hot weather though he has been up early, lunchtime nap and normal bedtime. He has a Gro blind but O's window is too big. I tried. Charcoal fleece blanket over the curtain rail which helped but I noticed the weight was pulling at the middle bracket a bit and as we are renting I idn't want to wreck it.

Ahh well. I am doing afternoon tea today for the team and their kids from the baby group I go to. It has finished for the summer and I didn't get to go to the last one because of pox. And I will never go again. sad

Kirrin Mon 22-Jul-13 06:31:36

izzy sad I wish I knew how to help you. please remember we are all behind you, even though I'm sure that doesn't seem like much use at the moment.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Jul-13 06:47:23

izzy I know I really don't know what it's like and I didn't even stick to the bf'ing as I found it too hard, so I admire all those of you who have. I mean REALLY. And tbh I have had a lot of moments in the early days where everyone is going on about bf'ing and I have felt absolutely and completely inadequate. So I kept quiet, but I didn't stay away because there is nothing like having a network of other mums who do pretty much understand what you are going through. So please don't go away. thanks

Pikz Mon 22-Jul-13 07:07:00

Izzy you are amazing. We are right here routing for you xx

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 07:08:33

izzy (((hugs)))

Shite night here. LO was fine. Even though despite the fan running all night the room when I went in just now was 26.5°. Why did the weather go literally from needing the heating on one week to sauna the next?

We had a bad night though. DD1 is being particularly naughty at the moment. I don't know if it is her age, or the fact I am distracted with work, or that she is stressed by the heat too, but she's being a fucking nightmare. Anyway she couldn't sleep last night so made sure we couldn't either. By kicking me and pulling my hair. Not to hurt me, it seemed to be a kind of joke. But she was the only one who found it funny.

The weekend has been horrible. We're all too wound up to relax, and the heat is too much. We have spent the weekend shouting at each other. DH is not coping with the fact I am not coping at the moment.

The yesterday MIL phoned up suddenly saying that with the heat we must be finding things difficult would we like to drive the children to their house (1000km away) and leave them there for a month, but only from mid August.

DH has told her we will think about it. I thought about it for less than 10 seconds. Over my dead body.

StuntNun Mon 22-Jul-13 07:35:59

Please don't go Izzy. You're definitely not the only one struggling with bad nights. At the moment I feel like I would give anything for a full night's sleep. Before the holiday I was on the point of phoning the HV and saying I couldn't cope any more and they would have to take my children away. Then in the morning everything would seem okay... until the next night rolled around. We're definitely seeing some improvement with my exclusion diet and the hourly wakings have stopped but J is still usually up several times a night. I got the reflux diagnosis a little earlier than you (6 months) and my J is only allergic to egg but I'm sure you would see the same improvement if you switch to formula. It really looks as if your J is still reacting to trace allergens in your diet. Could your DH give some or all of the bottles at night? I know my J will only take formula if he's very hungry or I'm not there. Maybe a schedule would work, try him every three hours or four hours like clockwork for a couple of days so you know he will be hungry.

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 07:37:24

PR this might cheer you up - the Duchess of Cambridge has been admitted to hospital in early stages of labour grin

My stepmum just hurried excitedly into my room to tell me.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 07:38:39

Yes I just saw it on BBC Breakfast. This is the beginning of the madness.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Jul-13 07:40:43

Hoorrrayyy * chasing* <runs to put Skye news on>

Sounds rubbish pr big hugs. Xx

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 07:43:19

My money is on a boy. 7lb.

Far too excited grin

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 07:50:37

I reckon girl. A shade under 7lb.

Hugs Izzy. Please do not go.

J is still not sleeping through. But he did ok last night waking at 5.45. He woke and self settled at 12.30. He is now a tummy sleeper it seems as he was soaking this morning but the back of his nappy was dry.

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 07:55:28


I should have come on last night - would have stopped my whining ass in its tracks.

P has done roughly 7-7 since she was 5 weeks old. No idea why, she just has. When she was swaddled we had to wake her at 7:30. We did do a feed at 10:30 though.

When she was weaned off the swaddle her mornings are more unpredictable but she never goes past 6:30am. That is fab.

Last night she woke at 2:30 - no apparent reason. She was just awake. I shoosh patted, rocked, put down, she was still for a few tantalising minutes before rolling back over and looking at me over and over again. By about 4am she was getting very upset and even once asleep she cried out and wailed fr another half an hour. In the end I think she was properly asleep by about 4:30. I had to wake her this morning as if she slept longer then everything would go to shit.

breaking news Kate is in labour. Bet she wasn't put into a ward with 4 other women being left to wait until the day shift comes in.

izzy I suspect that things may get harder (if that is possible) before they get easier. J will need to get used to the bottle and break his habit of comfort feeding. As will you. Can DH get a couple of days off work? My suggestion, for what it is worth, is that he needs to take charge of nights. He does the settling and bottle feeding. This will make it easier for both you and James as the temptation just to BF and settle quickly won't be there. As for missing doses - it happens. You will get into a routine where it just becomes part of your morning. If J starts to happily take a bottle you could maybe try my method of giving it - you still lose meds but it is stress free. You do need to use vari-flow teats.

Had more to say but that post took about 40 minutes so I will take a look back.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 07:56:01

I think it will be a boy. Or a girl. Somewhere between 5lb and 10lb grin

I hope for a girl but would actually bet it is a boy. Just under 8lb..

If it is a girl I hope they don't call the poor thing Diana.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Jul-13 07:56:12

OMG am too excited for words. Waaaah!! Not much work will be happening today, BBC news website will be perused often.

Izzy ((hugs)) I look forward to hearing back when the wee man cracks it. As others have said, we're here if you need us. You are quite remarkable, and a wonderful mummy, please don't lose sight of that xx

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Jul-13 07:57:29

I think a girl around 7lbs too. And my money is on Alexandra!

Poor woman though it is going to be hot. Was similar when I had DS1. Though I bet the Lindo wing has great air con.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Jul-13 07:58:14

Lol pr

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 07:58:48

I bet when she requests an epidural she isn't told that the anaethetist is busy with someone else, or on a tea break, or gone home for the evening.

Can't help but be excited about it. Not excited about the press for the next 18 years few weeks though.

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 08:00:06

Actually, here is a sleeping through question. P wakes at least twice every night for her dummy. Last seconds on a good night. Still sleeping through?

I am guessing boy 6Ib 12oz called Albert.

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 08:04:30

I bet they won't be sending her home to labour!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Jul-13 08:04:42

Ah pass. If I have to get out of bed, it doesn't count. But then I am lazy grin

Loving the newborn pics on fb - I did once try to go back and find them on fb but there were so many photos I gave up! This way is perfect though. Some of our babies have hardly changed at all (GTs H to name but one!)

Must get ready for work.

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 08:06:03

Elizabeth. To keep in with the Queen.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Jul-13 08:06:40

I too thought that vq

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Jul-13 08:07:05

Bet she also won't have to wait and wait and wait for painkillers stronger than paracetamol because they can't examine her because no doctors are around, and they don't reckon she's in established labour, and then finally appear with some diamorphine heroin only to whisk it away because she's fully dilated. Nope. Bet that won't bloody happen you can tell I'm not bitter about my analgesia free birth, right?

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 08:08:30

Pass what would happen if you did not put the dummy back in? I am not convinced she is sleeping through. She is however sleeping. If sleeping through, then they self settle as they will still wake occasionally.

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 08:09:57

Would love it if baby was called something which goes against the Mumsnet 'rules' like Chardonnay or Wayne. Or they spell a traditional name differently.

Dummy stuffs require getting out of bed and going into P's room.

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 08:13:38

If I didn't put it back in she would cry.

We have just been discussing putting her mattress flat. She spends most of her time actually upside down which can't be very good for her.

ditsygem Mon 22-Jul-13 08:26:03

izzy I feel for you - I think you are a bloody goddess for coping! I was coming on here to complain that I had to sing down the monitor several times through out the night and then was up with F from 4.30am-6am and then up for the day with him 20 mins later, but I know that isn't half as bad as what you deal with and I just want to say what ever you are feeling I understand. Sometimes when I am spending 2 hours rocking a 23lb baby back to sleep for the 20th time in the middle of the night I think I can't go on, but then morning comes and you just keep going. Just know it has to pass, he can't still be doing this when he is 5 so at some point it will end - it has to! Big hugs x

I call sleeping through the night 7.30pm-6am here. although to be honest I would take anything after 5.30 really!

ditsygem Mon 22-Jul-13 08:28:29

Strangely excited about Kate being in labour - although feel sorry for the poor girl that the whole country knows. It doesn't bode well for a relaxing labour where you feel unpressured and unwatched really does it?
Although then I remind myself that she will have a paed on call all hours of the day, breast feeding specialists on hand, nannies, night nannies and sleep trainers to help after and then I don't feel so sorry for her!

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 08:30:37

Pass we have the mattress flat now, did so when we swapped cots. J was ending up the wrong way. I think you should try as P is pretty well controlled. And even if P is sleeping through with your help, you clearly are not hmm

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 08:32:54

I don't feel sorry for Kate. She knew exactly what she was signing up for. It must be awesome knowing you are carrying a future monarch, and she gets to shag Wills so I have no sympathy, just jealousy grin

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 08:40:38

If it is a girl I reckon Elizabeth Diana. George Spencer for a boy.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 08:42:48

grin I'd rather do Harry tbh.

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 08:45:07

I luffs Harry.

Bryzoan Mon 22-Jul-13 08:47:36

I can't think of much worse than knowing the world has been told I'm in labour and the media is camped out on the steps. And all those advisors might be useful - but I think I'd want to tell them to do one. Still - she is hopefully a bit more tolerant than me...

Bryzoan Mon 22-Jul-13 08:48:45

And you're all right - she's likely to be ok for analgesia and not deeply affected by the shortage of midwives...

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Jul-13 08:50:54

I wonder how much pressure knowing everyone is hanging around waiting will affect her labour.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Jul-13 08:51:52

I wonder if she is running a live birth thread..... <goes off to check likely candidates>

YellowWellies Mon 22-Jul-13 08:54:29

I reckon between 8 and 9lb and a girl. Names - no clue, maybe something old but unusual like Adelaide or erm...

Bryzoan Mon 22-Jul-13 08:56:58

Sophia - it would be fun to start one!

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 08:57:14

I dreamed she had a girl and called her Ivory. No idea why.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 09:04:46

Abigail would be a nice name. But I'm going for Charlotte Elizabeth Diana if tis a girl.

James charles Henry if tis a boy.

MsJupiterJones Mon 22-Jul-13 09:08:43

I'd laugh if they said she was only 2cm and sent her home.

YellowWellies Mon 22-Jul-13 09:24:33

Right five minutes of news 24 coverage and I'm ranting like a sans culottes!!! Apparently Kate's incredibly hard working but only did 19 days of work this pregnancy envy oh and Diana had a terribly long and difficult first labour - it was 16 hours envy hahahaha. Oh and there won't be a running commentary from the palace on how the labour progresses so why are you attempting one BBC!!!!????? Where's the 'clearly a Republican' emoticon?

Pikz Mon 22-Jul-13 09:43:02

Chasing came across this on Bbc website. Thought it might be useful in custody talks http://bbb-news.com/blog/2013/07/21/nights-away-from-mum-leave-babies-less-secure-new-findings-could-affect-custody-rulings-for-young-children/

MissMummy1 Mon 22-Jul-13 09:44:02

16 hours?! Long and hard?! Chokes muesli in M's direction.

I am fed up of it already <scrooge>

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 09:47:57

Thanks pikz thanks looks interesting.

<stays quiet about my 11.5 hour induced labour>

Pikz Mon 22-Jul-13 10:12:58

I came on here this morning to write a massive rant about how come everyone else's baby but mine has naps and 3 hour ones at that. I saw izzys post and stopped in my tracks because my heart proper goes out to you izzy.

So far L self settled for his nap and has been asleep nearly 2 hours. This has never happened before and will probably never happen again. How long do I leave it before I go to check he's alive?

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 10:44:33

pikz! Just the very person. What were the steps to the self-settling thing the nursery gave you?

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 11:19:24

Bugger. Have loads of deliveries due but need a shower. Can someone keep an ear out for the door please?


MsJupiterJones Mon 22-Jul-13 11:44:44

Pass, was it you saying about P waking for the dummy? Just to say L went through a phase of that but has now learnt to put it back in himself or sometimes just self settles without. Occasionally he'll get it stuck behind his head & need me to pop it in but it's nothing like it was a few weeks ago. I didn't do anything, he just got better at it. So hopefully P will too. Not sure if that is helpful or not?!

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 22-Jul-13 11:49:18

izzy please don't go. I know it must be hard to read about other babies sleeping, but that aren't all doing it. I know you and stunt have it particularly bad. Perhaps take a little break from posting during the night. I know when I used my phone at night I found it harder to switch off. If you do feel you need to step away for a bit just remember we are all here rooting for you.

I don't feel sort for Kate as she knew what she was getting herself into. However I don't envy her.

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 11:54:40

Yes it is JJ! I woke her this morning as she was still sound asleep at 6:45. When I turned the light on she just sort of shuffled, rooted around, found the dummy and sooked it in.

Sometimes she does one quick "wah!" And shuffles. I usually go in and put her dummy back in. Other times but much more rarely she does proper sobs until it is back in.

I don't mind particularly as I am not a good sleeper anyway so am often awake at the time. It does mean that I never get more than 3 hours unbroken sleep. I can't complain about that though, really.

I feel it is my fault as P used to self-settle but now can't basically when she stopped being swaddled she forgot how to do it - even though she was never swaddled in the day and self-settled for naps then.

It's no biggy. I might try to work on it a bit though over the next few weeks as I would love her to go to the CM able to self-settle at least in theory.

Lily311 Mon 22-Jul-13 11:55:14

I reckon it's a girl, 8lb 1. 25 hours labours for me so who knows?

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 11:57:40

Oh and one of my parcels arrived when I was in the shower. Ran to the door with conditioner in my hair all dripping wet.

One arrived earlier. Couldn't find my keys so had to go out the back door and out into the street in my dressing gown! I took p with me as in my head that looked marginally better.

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 12:01:46

My feeling is that labour is always hard no matter how long or short. You will almost always feel like you have been hit by a bus for weeks after and be left emotional and exhausted.

If I was really to get into it I think the focus on length and difficulty of labour is unhelpful and generated by the media to create a woman Vs woman scenario. Look at all the focus on 'natural' births Vs those with medical intervention. You carry the baby for 9 months and love it until your heart explodes. We all do no matter how fast or slow the labour, how 'easy' or hard it was or how many staff are on stand by.

<rather confusedly steps off soap box>

georgee Mon 22-Jul-13 12:15:46

Izzy lovely, just wanted to send you a hug and say that my James was up six times last night, I think more times than that the night before actually - and I'm always hearing in toddler groups etc about these babies that sleep through, or at least five hours at a time, and it seems like those babies are on a different planet to mine! He has NEVER slept through - the most he's ever managed is five hours, and I can count the times he's done that on the fingers of one hand.

It's exhausting - during the day (like now) I can just about manage but during the night and first thing it's like torture! Just hang in there, take a long term view if you can. Things will get better. I will continue to post about my terrible nights if it makes you feel any better!


Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 22-Jul-13 12:26:56

I agree with you pass labour is hard for everyone and with every birth, I had a really long one for DD1, (3 days of discomfort, although a lot of that was latent phase it hurt) 20 hours for DS1 and a long latent phase but a short active labour for O.

I am ready for my afternoon tea. Sandwiches x a squillion, mini quiches, cupcakes, party sausages,rocky road and strawberries. Had to steal a sandwich.

Don't go izzy, I'd be useles in your situation, you're doin g so well.

M has reverted to being fed to sleep for naps and won't go to bed until at least 9pm and then waking for 2-4 feeds a bight as a result we didn't get up until 9am this morning. Not good when I got only 4 weeks left of mat leave, need to get some sort of routine sorted.

pp we're still BF, never had a bottle, complete refuser. When I go back to work she'll just be having solids and water during the day, no milk.
BF is starting to become a bit of a pain for half the feeds, M fights and scratches and nips and wants to get up and play. Stresses me out!

And as if to proves my point, M was just feeding and had fallen asleep although still sleep feeding. Try to transfer to cot, suddenly wide awake.

I need to sort out settling in with both GMs and the CM before I go back to work. How did everyone else go about it? She's fine bein left with my sis so no need to worry about that. She's stayed with my mum for the odd hour but never been on her own with MIL.
I'm thinking leaving her for the odd morning with Mum/MIL to get her/them used to it.

CM it's a bit harder, she's only going one day a week so by the next week could have forgotten her. Her first full day with the CM and me at work would be 20th Aug. CM has said she has Mon-Weds free in summer hols so suggested we go a few days in a row.
Would me going with her on a Monday, then going with her but leaving her after a bit ok a tues, and then the same but leaving her longer on the weds sound do able? I'm clueless.

Sometimes, like with her lack of napping, I feel more lost now than I did when she was a newborn sad

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 13:21:02

Just for yellowwellies :


You're welcome wink

Pikz Mon 22-Jul-13 13:45:04

Pass this is what I got told and am trying to do (it works like his morning sometimes and yet the afternoon one has taken an hour to get him down!)

- start with morning nap
- get consistent with routine ie if its bag, teddy etc
- play music/lullabies as these are often used in nursery. I find this works well.
- don't rock them. Place in cot with a cuddle and then sit by cot stroking them if needed until asleep.

I got told not to keep picking them up but to give a quick cuddle if hysterical. I also got told to just work on one nap at a time and do the others with the same teddy/ bag/ music but rock etc if necessary til you crack the morning one.

Oh and they must have been up 2-3 hours at least.

I am exhausted after an hour of getting him to sleep.

Jims Mon 22-Jul-13 13:58:21

Another one here in the middle of Operation Nap In The Cot. May shortly be renamed as Operation Shout Til You Make Mummy Feel Terribly Guilty. We're on Day 2. Naps were getting better (sometimes, with a wing and a prayer) but only in the buggy and while convenient sometimes, I'd much prefer him to be settled in his cot in the day as I think he'll get better quality of sleep eventually. Yesterday I failed the resettle after his initial 40 mins til i gave up after being shouted at an hour later and put him in the buggy so he didn't sleep too late - as that seems to lead to the early morning wke-ups. Today resettle has been more effective so fingers crossed he stays down...

izzy i feel for you. As everyone says it will get better but I can't imagine what it's like at the moment. I'd only add that it's prob best not to decide anything in the night pr early morning as things always seem different from in the day.

Still BF here too. Have head in sand about return to work in 2.5 weeks -sad. Am thinking may have to express at work as boobs end up like watermelons on the days he doesn't take as much, even without dropping feeds. Last week, one went red heading towards mastitis when it got overfull. Was v thankful it sorted itself out by feeding on that side first for the next day.

Also randomly, i bet on the royal baby's name today using my kids' names and the free bets for signing up. I figure if they are going to have to share their name with the most famous baby, they should get some recompense!

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 14:15:37

Operation Nap in Cot moves on to stage 2 tomorrow. So far he has successfully napped on the bed alone with me in the room for one full week. Tomorrow we move onto naps in the cot confused

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 15:10:56

Thanks, pikz. We already use Ewan for every sleep and she goes in her bag every sleep. My problem is that as soon as she goes in the cot she starts crawling around. She gets absolutely past herself if I turn her over. I will start tomorrow though. Hopefully she will have a better night so won't be so tired so quickly.

How long should you attempt to get them to nap before giving up? I always feel under pressure as there are bottles and meal times to have.

She is sleeping now after being rocked but waking three times on transfer. Hopefully she has a good hour.

Good going chasing! Sounds like your Operation Nap is going really well.

Kyzordz Mon 22-Jul-13 15:29:29

Afternoon all!

E sleeps 7-7 usually, sometimes goes to bed between 7 and 8 but used to always go to bed at 8ish. He's done 8-7 with a df for months and for a few weeks/a month does the full 12/13 hours without a feed. I feel very blessed with such a good sleeper. He is no hassle for naps either. I hope saying this does not change his sleeping but he has two naps a day. All that happens is it gets to nap time and I put him in his cot, kiss him, give him a dummy and walk away. 1 in say 50 times he may need seeing to, eg dummy given and put the right way up but not usually. Morning nap is an hour to 1 30, afternoon is 2-3 1/2 hours. If it helps, he can be a pain in the arse when we're out, does not like to nap and can get mardy ESP where food is concerned.

I feel really guilty that he sleeps so well when some of you have such bad nights still sad izzy I am sorry you feel it's a bit much reading about babies sleeping and eating and I totally understand but please don't go sad if you really feel you must then please do look after yourself and come back whenever you need to. You'll really be missed and you'll always be part of the quiche. I felt similar to sophia I didn't manage to bf e and felt like crap reading about the other babies doing so well sad so I do sympathise that you are finding it hard sad

chasing you're doing so well with o's napping smile

eliza that is positive then that she still sleeps well without the tube feed smile

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 15:39:14

You have a sooper dooper sleeper there kyz grin Ditto what you and Sophia said about bf. I managed 3 measly days. Izzy I think you are beyond amazing.

O used his library card for the first time today and got 4 books out smile The whole time we were in there he refused to listen to me reading to him and just kept staring at the cute dad reading The Gruffalo to his son. He did the voices and everything. Swoon

I also found out about a soft play group at the local gymnastics club which we are going to on Weds. And I bought a highway code book to start putting my Learn to Drive plan in action. Productive day.

O is currently managing to nap through the noise of next does kids having the noisiest water fight in history.

Now, has she had that baby yet.....

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 15:39:48

next door*

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 15:40:20

Oh and bought a lovely chair for Oscar's new room from a charity shop smile

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 17:10:50

There is not one room in my house under 30 degrees right now. Despite fans being on full all day and all shutters being closed when the sun has been that side of the house. Outside it's 32 and no breeze.

Clarella Mon 22-Jul-13 17:14:48

checking in after a few threads!!!

passes round hob nobs and tea for royal baby watching

yep you don't see me much cos he doesn't sleep!!

BUT I think he slept 4 hours or possibly more last night in my bed grin . usually it's every 90 mins.

hope all are well I will attempt to catch up later quichettes off to bake and royal baby watch

dh will be very annoyed if it's a boy and called George grin

Clarella Mon 22-Jul-13 17:15:52

bugger I've been fbing too much. forgot that * is different on mn

add < and > to bold posts....

Clarella Mon 22-Jul-13 17:17:57

oh yes operation nap in cot .... we managed 5 min today confused

I freaked and phoned nursery today blistering on about reflux and only napping in sling or pram. I sensed in her tone of voice she was used to it!

Pikz Mon 22-Jul-13 17:26:15

I love this thread... You never feel alone.

After a disastrous lunch time nap the 4pm one was in pushchair and painless!

And we have a top tooth... Now up to 3 and he's walking about on hands and feet... According to a book is a pre cursor to walking... Shoot me shoot me now... I spent his whole nap tidying up!

TheDetective Mon 22-Jul-13 18:14:00

<Shoots Pikz> grin

Izzy Please don't go... I don't get bored of reading what you say, I just feel guilty as fuck as I want J to get better. sad

If it helps, O tried to start the day at 3am last night. Me and DP were up and down trying to settle him from 3am for the rest of the night. At 5.45am I gave up and shoveled a full whammy of calpol and ibuprofen in him and he went quickly back to sleep but on top of me and I couldn't fucking breathe and was up for the day 30 minutes later... First night since 4 months that he has slept in my bed. Not sure what the matter is. But something is bothering him, as his day times are pretty crap too right now.

My guess for the RB is girl, Alice, 6lb9.

The November Reflux curse strikes again ladies... I came across a colleague this afternoon. She is on maternity leave. Her baby was a November baby (but due early Jan). He's just been diagnosed with silent reflux. Both me and my colleague were practically sobbing in to each others arms I did cry, like a fucking tool, in the middle of Tesco over how hard we've found it, and the whole reflux thing, and crap care etc etc. Someone must have told her O had reflux as she said she had heard he did, and could I give her some advice.

I'd actually just come out of a meeting at work (but not where I actually work - on a different site 10 miles away) and popped in to the Tesco. So was a chance meeting!

Speaking of work, I had been to see some health and wellbeing person from HR, who basically told me they don't see this as a pregnancy related condition, and will not be treated as thus. And they can terminate my employment if I am not back in 2 months.

Why the fuck did I not take someone from the union with me? I'm a dickhead. I should have known better. I just thought that given the nature of the problem, the fact I am being treated at that Trust etc, I wouldn't have a problem at this point.


TheDetective Mon 22-Jul-13 18:23:34

Now I know this will not surprise anyone... but when I got home this afternoon, O had just woken from his nap. I walked upstairs to get him, to find him stood up in the cot. Nothing unusual there, right?

Except for the fact the little bugger had managed to get out of the grobag shock hmm fuuuuucksake!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 18:28:30

angry for Detective what the actual fucking fuck? What is it supposed to be related to? Your vag just decided to break itself.

Thechick Mon 22-Jul-13 18:29:47

I'm still bf pp not sure when I'm going to stop, but ill just see how things go when I go back to work. I have a little one who isn't sleeping through. He's slept through twice. And he wakes between 1 and 3 times.

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 18:37:23

I wonder if PND is a pregnancy related condition? I guess they could argue your problems are birth related as opposed to pregnancy related Detective. I guess they could say PND is not pregnancy related either as it is Post Natal.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 19:02:01

Well that's yet another kick in the tits for women returning to work if things like PND and birth related prolapse don't count.

TheDetective Mon 22-Jul-13 19:04:24

Yes, that is exactly what it feels like. That or a kick in the broken cunt.

I'm so angry. But really, I should not be. I am not angry for myself - I am angry for other women who may find themselves in the same predicament.

Fucking arseholes. Union better get back to me sharpish!

I don't get how they could say it isn't pregnancy related. You don't have your vagina cut open otherwise surely hmm.

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 19:09:42

Are they being pedantic and saying it is birth, not pregnancy related? What dicks.

TheDetective Mon 22-Jul-13 19:16:10

They said once the baby is out then that is it. Anything after, tough shit. hmm

TheDetective Mon 22-Jul-13 19:17:01

I might argue. The episiotomy was performed before the birth. Have that, arseholes!

YellowWellies Mon 22-Jul-13 19:28:42

Yeah having an episiotomy after birth for like shits and giggles happens alllll the time. envy What a bunch of buttmunches. Sorry you're going through this Det sad

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 19:33:19

That's astonishing det. I am aghast at the laissez faire attitude to the health and well being of staff. Are you going to seek union advice?

Don't know what's wrong with me today. I've got a face like a slapped arse. Moped round sainsbury's full of woe is me having to label check and not being able to feed penny cheese (what a disaster) and then came home to try to --force --feed p her dinner. Then I decided that I could make a fish pie in the time between tea time and bath time. What a fucking disaster. Between p refusing to stay away from the cooker and falling into the cat's meat and the cat deciding that the metric ton of haddock I had given her wasn't quite right and could I try again with more. Honestly, it was like one of the opening scenes for casualty where you sit at home watching as the person takes that inevitable step off the kerb into a fucking bus.


P is asleep for now. DH has made me sit down to play with my NEW PHONE and is finishing the fucking fish pie.

Hia clarella. I frequently emotionally vomit on my childminder about eating and sleeping blah blah blah blah. She just smiles nicely and nods her head.

PR that sounds miserable. It is much cooler in jocklandshire today and there is meant to be a huge break in the weather to tonight. Thank fuck.

Lily311 Mon 22-Jul-13 19:35:10

I live in a gated riverside property. There is a boat competition starting tmrw, visitors from Canada rented out a couple of apartments. A group of 20 or so people sitting downstairs drinking and talking loudly. There is nothing here. The garden faces nothing, the river is on the other side and has beautiful views. Why don't they fuck off there? Why the hell are they in the garden sitting on one bench and the rest standing around it when they can go out and sit by the river? O has been crying bec they wake her, they are so loud.

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 19:39:37

Oh lilly that would drive me mental. So they could essentially have the riverside to themselves I presume? Can they not hear O crying? Tossers.

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 19:40:34


Somebody make me less dumb?

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 19:44:17

That's crap lily and pass

boo to shitty days.

I can hear thunder. But what's the point in thunder if it doesn't come with lovely cooling rain eh?

YellowWellies Mon 22-Jul-13 19:45:40

Sounds like you need wine or brew Pass my dear. I do hate those days every day when even the simplest and once relaxing pre baby activity becomes akin to climbing K2. I've been known to go and roar in another room when having a day like that. I hope you feel happier tomorrow. Today I made a chicken and sweet corn pie (with a creamy oatmilk nutmeg sauce bechamel type job) and it was yum but to offset this success I put too many clothes in the washer (with the buggy cosytoesblush ) and wrecked my favourite top. Oh and we got the cats collar back from the last garden he was beaten up in. We've really done fuck all of note. On the plus side I'm not having contractions and trying to push a baby out of my nethers with the world and his dog looking at their watch - so I'm feeling rather smile

We've decided to aim for October updiffing if poss so I can wean Jonas and eat dairy for the first two trimesters. But best made plans and all that....

YellowWellies Mon 22-Jul-13 19:47:49

PR I looooove thunder. My favourite weather.... I want a good electrical storm envy

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 19:48:19

Thank you peoples.

I have that song in my head now PR

I hear thunder
I hear thunder
Hark don't you
Hark don't you
Pitter patter raindrops

And so on.

fruitpastilles Mon 22-Jul-13 19:50:22

Grrrrr pass so do I now lol, sorry you've had such a shitter of a day!

det I am so angryangryangryangry on your behalf, I was going to say make sure you fight it, but there is no doubt in my mind that you will.

Lily311 Mon 22-Jul-13 20:03:24

Yes, the whole riverside can be theirs. But no, they need the garden. Fuck them. I shut the windows and shutters but it's 40 degrees during the day and was looking forward to the evening breeze.

The funny bit is, they rented the penthouse apartments from abroad as they are stunning and wanted to save on the tickets for the competition. Now none of the apartments have views of the race as it's on the other side of the city.hahahahaha. And it's predicted that this week is the hottest temp above 40 degrees. I hope they will enjoy the heat where no shadow can be found...

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 20:04:30

I'm happy to say I don't know that song smile

Well we've come inside DH is scared of storms but I hope it will be a good one. Since the weather forecast is for the heatwave not to break for at least another week I am fairly pessimistic that this will be a proper storm.

Lily311 Mon 22-Jul-13 20:06:14

And where is the royal baby??? I know, I know, leave the woman alone but I want news!

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 20:11:01

Lol YW. I have this vision of you having cheese sweats while eating an entire wheel of Brie

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 20:13:28

I want to know exactly how many centimetres dilated she is and whether she has told William to "fuck off to the far side of fuck you baldy bastard!"

Lily311 Mon 22-Jul-13 20:14:45

Haha pass. I'm sure she did.

Evilwater Mon 22-Jul-13 20:14:51

I've finished my weekend of nights hurry! grin but I've only had 3 hours of sleep in the past 24 hours. So if I don't make sence it's that. Work was ok, again not the correct number of staff or a good skill mix. The boss was in a fucking bad mood when she arrived this morning. Saying that having another HCa was a "fucking waste" and generally being an arse. I'm glad that RN stood up to her and said it worked out very well.

n has been very sicky again, it's just stomach juice and sour milk. Both smell nasty, he's also having green liquid poo of which there is lots. He seems to be drinking more milk, not less, so much for weaning, sad angry he still has his cough, angry but he's now coughing during the day now. So no improvements there,sad I just wish I knew why he kept doing this!!! Is it reflux? What I need is another member of the quiche with me at the drs, backing me up. As every time I go, I feel like a munch-howsans mother.

P is good.

I'm knackered, and off to bed very soon.


ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 20:15:06

And if she has professed her love for the anaesthetist yet.

I'm scared of storms too. We might be getting one tomorrow. <wibble>

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 20:17:15

Ugh, my ex friend has posted lovey dovey pictures of her and my O on facebook sad angry He's my baby you cowbag.

StuntNun Mon 22-Jul-13 20:18:35

I need to catch up with the thread but just wanted to mention that my GP has refused to prescribe Gaviscon and Ranitidine together so we've only been given the Ranitidine. If I had to choose I'd rather have the Gaviscon as it stops him being sick all the time, whereas I'm not sure whether the Ranitidine is actually doing anything for him or not. Has anyone else been told something similar?

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 20:21:57

Love a bit of stormy action. Something must be in the air as aged pussy has gone mad. She has chased two cats out of the garden and tried to catch a magpie and two sparrows. She is like a old coiled spring. Thankfully she seems to have worn herself out and is purring peacefully while paddling at her bed.

Poor wee N Eric. That does sound refluxy. Remember though that reflux can be episodic and it could pass. Just like adults if a baby has a virus or something it can cause an upset stomach and reflux. You could pop to the docs and explain the symptoms before asking for some gaviscon. Quite possibly a few sachets of gaviscon will ease the rumblings in his tummy. Well worth detailing those symptoms to the doc.

Lily311 Mon 22-Jul-13 20:22:06

chasing I asked everyone not to put pic of O on Facebook.leo's niece did put one, she has 600 friends. I told her to take it off otherwise i cut her out completely. I'm a bitch I know but she is my baby and I don't want everyone to see her there. So tell her if you don't like it!

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 20:24:52

Eh? stunt that sounds bonkers. P got IG, ranitidine and domperidone all at once. I have never heard anyone mention that they couldn't have both. Could you ask for carobel? Mix it like a paste and administer just like IG with BF. does the same job.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 20:25:55

chasing you can report the picture and ask fb to remove it as being identifiable as your (ie the one with parental responsibility) child. Might work?

Jims Mon 22-Jul-13 20:26:14

Chasing I feel like that about pictures and cuddles F has with people I like, let alone people I don't!

So Day 2 of Operation Nap In Cot when a lot better than expected today. After a re-settle 40 mins in to his lunchtime nap, he went down for another 1 hr and 30 mins. I think he'd have gone longer had I not woken him for our next-door-neighbour's first birthday gathering. However, I'd be hugely surprised if it gets repeated tomorrow although I can but hope. So much better than his hour-long screamathon yesterday!

I massively alternate between feeling sorry for Kate knowing that so many people are interested in her giving birth, her parenting choices etc; and just being a bit jealous that she'll have so many people to help her. We have no relatives nearby to help with the kids and my Mum is very sick of me trying to incite her to move down.

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 20:28:11

A woman after my own heart Lily.

Jims Mon 22-Jul-13 20:28:33

I also have some unused infant gaviscon if anyone would like it.

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 20:31:00

It's ok PR I'll let it pass this time. I'm doing the passive agressive thing of responding to every 'aww he's cute' comment with a thank you so there is no doubt as to whose baby he is.

YellowWellies Mon 22-Jul-13 20:34:05

Pass and cambazola, roblochon dunsyre blue, a big sweaty salty mature cheddar etc etc

Evil I've always thought J had reflux (I know I see it everywhere but I've called it pretty well too!) from his screamy unsettled behaviour, his dislike of being laid flat when he was wee, his back arching when feeding, his grumping at times (probably tummy pain) to his persistent cough and vomiting. His cough could well be stomach acid irritating his throat but he could also have refluxed into his lungs in which case it's pretty serious - but either would mean he's in pain and as his Mum only you can go to the docs and get him help. I'd write down a list of all of the symptoms he's had since he was wee and go and see the doc. Google reflux symptoms as you might find some you've forgotten he had. You've suspected it too for ages haven't you? What does P think?

Lily311 Mon 22-Jul-13 20:34:14

The thing about Facebook is if someone puts a pic up and tags you than thousands can see it, privacy or not. I know that no one in my friends would repost or tag a pic without my permission. A friend had her baby pic used on a website advertising baby products without her permission, someone just downloaded it. No, thank you. My baby, my rights.

Lily311 Mon 22-Jul-13 20:35:08

Yes to unused gaviscon. I mean I have tons left if someone needs it.

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 20:36:32

J is a bottle down on the day. He has fallen asleep in his high chair twice and in the Jumperoo twice. Growth spurt me thinks. Three of these incidents were before he was lassoed out of his bouncer by DD2. I had just gone to make bottles and heard screaming from all three. Poor J was flat on his face with his feet caught in the harness. Oops. First of many I am sure.

Night night all, and a hug for you Pass x I too have been very upset at being unable to give J cheese.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 20:37:00

It's a boy!!!

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 20:37:09

It's a royal boy!

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 20:37:43

Haha PR if anyone was going to beat me to it, it was going to be you!

Evilwater Mon 22-Jul-13 20:37:51

yellow he thinks it's a bug, as drs say. Mind you if the drs said to bath in spaghetti for a week we would do it.

det that's awful! I never heard such drivel. I hope the unions sort them out.


YellowWellies Mon 22-Jul-13 20:38:06

Sorry I meant N not J Evil am far too used to wittering on like a blethering idiot about my own son! blush

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Jul-13 20:38:22

I wouldn't swap places with Kate for all the tea in China. Much as I love showing off my baby, it is on my terms, not on the terms of the worlds media. Privacy is an undervalued commodity. That said I am sooooo intrigued to see the baby!

Det that's total wank would have used the g-word but don't dare! - I hope the union are able to help you out although no doubt, you'll give them a piece of your mind!

Lily could you chuck a bucket of water out your window? wink

Stunt that's just plain stupid. Of course you can give them both together! If you want our gaviscon supply, then pm me and am happy to send it your way xx

PR can't imagine for one moment why you don't want your MIL to have the kids....!

Pass have a <squooooosh> you silly sausage. Better day tomorrow.

DH and I were watching a program earlier - The girl withh 90% burns. We got as far as the bit where her mum was describing discovering that the room was on fire with her daughter in it, and were both in floods. I literally had to sob at him to turn it off. Bloody awful.

DH came with me to collect F from nursery today - we went into the room, and she was sat on the floor, merrily nomming a toy. She didn't see us, so I was en route to her to say hello and give her a cuddle, when DH sort of bellowed "littlepig". She jumped a country mile and screamed with shock, then sobbed and sobbed! I think dh was a bit gutted, as I've been raving about the amazing grins I get when I collect her!

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 20:39:08


Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 20:39:26

Really? Never? Did they GM him?

I can hear cheering. Honestly, I can. Weird

Lily311 Mon 22-Jul-13 20:41:02

Oh, I feel slightly disappointed. Wanted them to have a girl.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Jul-13 20:42:03

Waaah excited! A little prince! 8lbs 6 - a wee whopper! I bet Kate feels on top of the world. That feeling when you first hold your newborn baby and sniff their scrummy smell? Nothing like it.

Evilwater Mon 22-Jul-13 20:43:14

Yay another boy!!

That should read "he would do it"
Also N isn't sleeping through night, he always wakes up for milk.


Pikz Mon 22-Jul-13 20:44:20

Hope they call him something obscure

Pass I too have had one of those days...to the point DP said I am worried about you...it's just teeth and crawling and growth spurt all in one.

Det I have to use zip front bags where the zip ends by his feet with no poppers or he gets out!

Pikz Mon 22-Jul-13 20:44:49

I wwwwwannnnnnt a tinnnnnnny bbbbbabbbbbbbyyyy

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 20:48:57

pikz is that it? Teeth and crawling and growing? It's not that p is on terrible form - she was much worse before learning to crawl but so sleepy but can't/won't. She now starts to sob as soon as I turn Ewan on and is in hysterics while I try to wrestle her into her sleeping bag.

And some fucking kids just woke her up running the full length of my street just screaming. Not a playful scream or a frightened scream but just screaming to fill the air with their own noise.

Pikz Mon 22-Jul-13 20:50:23

Pass we have that exactly...I think it's too much going on. It's like his brain can't cope.

Pikz Mon 22-Jul-13 20:52:08

We have found getting him in his bag but then sit in his arm chair and talk and cuddle him for 10/15mins seems to lead to less screaming when put down.

Kyzordz Mon 22-Jul-13 20:53:05

Evening all smile

chasing you've reminded me I wanted to take e to the library smile will try and do that this week. Sounds like you've had a mega productive day, go you!

clarella 5 mins is better than no mins trying to be positive smile

detective that is fucking wank! How the merry fuck is it not pregnancy related???

pass everybody has those days, have a hug. If it helps I wibbled at tea because e was being difficult and he only has 3 bottles and omg he might die and so forth and then I thought no, I can't wibble, think of the quiche! So I tried my best to be unbothered and tomorrow is a new day smile hope your tomorrow is better smile

lily that would do my head in too, ugh!!

Just started rumbling here too, I do love a good storm

evil poor n sad he really does sound refluxy to me too

Oops vq!

A boy, lovely smile

GTbaby Mon 22-Jul-13 21:01:26

Found u. 150 posts already. Blooming hell.
Lo is being a delightful little bubba. Crying every 10mins. Interrupting my news watching.

Our babies will be in the same school year lol.

Right on cue. Crying again. Better go

fruitpastilles Mon 22-Jul-13 21:03:29

Ooh a boy, I didn't even know until I looked on here, no need to watch the news with you lot grin
I can't wait to find out what they have called him, I'm a little obsessed with knowing what people have called their babies. I'm off to see my friends week old baby tomorrow, soooooo excited, it's deffo going to make me very broody though.

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 21:06:03

Well, J woke about 3 minutes after I posted so. Has had his bottle and is wide awake.

Evilwater Mon 22-Jul-13 21:11:23

Thanks kyz I've seen 3 different drs and all three dismissed reflux. sad

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 21:17:19

It's raining. And proper lightning too.

My satellite uk tv went down so have been watching the news on French TV this evening. They're obsessed.


BigPigLittlePig Mon 22-Jul-13 21:25:32

Am off to bed. All the excitement has worn me out.

Nighty night.


ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 21:31:04

Our babies' first day of school will be overshadowed by HRH!

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 21:33:03

Chasing the cut of point for school in Scotland is end of feb. is it different in England?

PurplePidjin Mon 22-Jul-13 21:33:53



ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 21:34:46

That was a blank post on the app PP

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 21:34:55

Yep VQ. September there. So our babies will be in the eldest in England but youngest in Scotland.

Passmethecrisps Mon 22-Jul-13 21:35:32

The app is tosh. Your posts always look fine but they obviously don't work for you guys.

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 21:37:14

Yep September here. As pass said, the English Nov babies will be amongst the eldest in their year.

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 21:41:16

Oh that first evening with a squishy newborn. God it was awful. Especially with LO as the morphine ran out early evening and I was only allowed 3g of paracetamol every 24 hours after that. Then the mw forgot to bring me my 2am dose and I was in agony. I might have sworn at her when she finally brought it at 6

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 21:46:31

PR I was thinking for a moment you were going soft grin I must admit the first evening with J was great as I was so drugged up. They gave me something which made me quite loopy. I had quite a big bleed as I usually do, and I said "oh just whip it all out, I won't be needing it again".

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 21:47:06

Unfortunately I have bad memories of the first few days with Oscar. Didn't feel the bond at all and felt totally out of my depth. Spent most of my time in hospital worrying the midwives by crying constantly and not eating or sleeping.

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 21:48:54

The app has its benefits. For example you can do this:

smilesmilesmilegringrinwinkwinkshockhmmconfusedblushconfusedangrysadenvybiscuitthanksbrewwinebiscuitwinebrewenvysadangryblushconfusedconfusedconfusedhmmshockwinkgrinsmilegrinwinkshockhmmconfusedblushangryangrysadenvywinebrewthanksthankswinebrewbrewwinebiscuitenvyenvysadenvybrewthanksthanks which would take hours on the normal page.

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 21:49:50

Chasing I was like that with my first. It is a big thing having a baby x

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 21:52:32

We were talking the other day about reflux babies being wide awake - J barely slept for the first 48 hours which was odd considering he was a section baby and also drugged up to his eyeballs. Even the MWs were baffled as they could not settle him, unless he was on me, on his side and pretty much upright. The girls were not like this at all. DD2 slept for 8 hours the second night much to my annoyance.

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 21:54:19

I am feeling quite a bit brighter. The tablets are no longer affecting me like a mallet to the head, and I am able to enjoy things again, and feel a bit happy. This also coincides with J being much much better and sleeping more.

Fab news about HRbaby. At least they won't be able to steal Ms name grin

I've been sorting out Ms clothes this aft, taking her 3-6 out of her drawers and then sorting 9-12 and 12-18 stuff I bought in the sale. Still need to go through her 0-6 stuff to decide what's being kept and given away. It made me v nostalgic and emotional, she's growing up so fast and I'm starting to feel broody. I don't want to feel broody though incase we never get chance to have a second.

DH came home as I was feeling all emotional and had some bad news. His work mates wife was due 5 weeks ago, ended up going 2 weeks over due and being induced. They've just found out at work that the baby girl died last week just short of two weeks old sad she had a chromosomal trisomy that they didn't know about until she was born. Made me even more emotional and I shed a tear for the poor couple and what they're going through. Gave M am extra big cuddle tonight.

PurplePidjin Mon 22-Jul-13 21:56:37

I was up all night just watching him. Had a nice chat with the night shift, then made breakfast for the other lady in my ward because they expected you to fetch your own from the other end of an endless corridor. Wasn't offered any pain relief either. Actually, don't think i saw staff unless i went to the office...

Kirrin Mon 22-Jul-13 22:04:15

sorry, I've only skim read due to a nightmare bedtime and still plenty to do before I can go to bed myself.

detective That is awful. I cannot believe they can say that. Hopefully the Union will prove to be of some use.

bedtime has fallen apart here. I had it down to a tee - story to DD1 whilst giving N her bottle, Kiss DD1 goodnight and leave, sit with N while she settles herself to sleep eventually
Now - DD1 bounces off the walls while I attempt to read her a story, N too busy rolling round the room and laughing at her sister to be interested in her bottle, kiss DD1 good night and leave the room, DD1 screams the place down while I give N her bottle, N refuses to settle because DD1 is still tantruming, DP abandons all hope of a peaceful evening and comes to put N down, I go to DD1 and she prattles away about life the universe and everything until she realises I really am going to sit in silence til she goes to sleep, DD1 goes to sleep. 2 hours after we came up to bed.

time for plan B. I have no plan b, but I need to come up with something before tomorrow night as I definitely won no awards for parenting tonight blush

TheDetective Mon 22-Jul-13 22:04:43

Feel awful. Been trying to read while I've got the most awful griping pains. I hope to fuck it isn't rotavirus. hmm Already emptied one half... think the other half is ready to spill over. Sorry!

Pains are easing but still there. Please fuck the fuck off!

Chasing I got so fucking angry when I saw what you wrote. I was all ready to go and kick that bitches ass. But luckily for me! I saw your second post first. So I played sickly sweet! But I want to fucking smack that cow right in the smug buttface. angry

I hope they call the prince Jeff. grin Or Keith. Perhaps Cliff, or Trevor?! No?

Fatima Fuck sad Poor family. It makes me run cold when I read these things, let alone know the family involved. It's just so devastating and cruel.

Pikz I investigated the grobag, he had removed the popper from the side, and the two poppers from one shoulder. And shimmied the fuck out. hmm

TheDetective Mon 22-Jul-13 22:05:55

Kirrin Can't DP do bedtime with you? It might be easier for now while one still needs a feed etc?

fruitpastilles Mon 22-Jul-13 22:07:56

vq glad you are feeling brighter, long may it continue!

TheDetective Mon 22-Jul-13 22:09:28

I'm afraid to fart. confused

Kirrin Mon 22-Jul-13 22:10:08

cross post with about 10 of you.

fatima thats awful sad I don't know how people cope with things like that. I feel absolute fear just hearing about it sad sad sad

Glad things are looking up VQ

PR That made me laugh out loud.

Kirrin Mon 22-Jul-13 22:14:18

DP is pretty good detective But he has had both of them all day while I have been at work, He has now gone to work himself, and he is fasting. I pretty much accept that bedtime is my problem. He is quite often already at work when they go to bed so I need to be able to do it myself. I think the problem is that DD1 has twigged that I am sitting with N while she settles and is jealous sad I have tried and tried to get N down earlier so I can do DD1's bedtime just us, but it is just not working at the moment.
I will come up with a plan for tomorrow, and probably just keep trying things until something works.

TheDetective Mon 22-Jul-13 22:15:43

I see! Hmmmm, I've not had to do 2 to bed, so counting my blessings there!

PetiteRaleuse Mon 22-Jul-13 22:15:59

vq that is good news ! smile

That's fab news vq

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 22-Jul-13 22:19:08

vq So glad you are feeling much more like your usual self. Long may it continue.

detective DH want's the royal baby to be called Trevor. Once when we were discussing names for DD1 he said he wanted Trevor for a boy or Trevor Bitch for a girl. Needless to say I didn't bother involving him in any further discussions about names.

I'm looking forward to hearing what they call him. fruit I love hearing name announcements too.

fatima That's so sad sad

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 22:22:02

Three to bed is fun too. J is just asleep so going to try to transfer him. DH has already gone to bed poor tired thing. Hint of sarcasm there btw.

If you are reading Izzy, we miss you x

ValiumQueen Mon 22-Jul-13 22:23:18

Trevor Bitch - I nearly woke J with my response to that one!

ChasingDaisy Mon 22-Jul-13 22:27:45

Your poor poor DH VQ. Poor little love needs his rest.

So so glad you are starting to feel brighter. Antidepressants can take 6-8 weeks to work so that may be a factor but I'm sure it is J doing much better which has really helped smile

Kirrin Mon 22-Jul-13 22:33:13

king trevor would be great!
I can't remember who mentioned Chardonnay upthread, but I was hoping they would go down that route too - just for the comedy value grin
What about Nigel?

YellowWellies Mon 22-Jul-13 22:34:17

Trevor Bitch <snigger> grin

MsJupiterJones Mon 22-Jul-13 22:42:25

VQ that news has made me happier than the Royal Baby today. V pleased.

Just looking at a pic from L's first night, holding on to my little finger. Never been happier. Also the liquid morphine was great. Hope hrh is having a similar experience right now. The happiness not the morphine!

GTbaby Mon 22-Jul-13 22:56:53

Det angryangryangryangry omfg! Fucking idiots.

Chasing I had to ask someone to remove a pic from FB of lo. She seemed really put out "only my friends can see it" erm well of the over 300 friend u have I know 20. So take it off!

Fatima. What a sad time for that couple. Heart breaking. Telling my bump to be safe and healthy.

My lo sleeps well apart from today! He first slept through at 8ish weeks. But then went off on a tangent n woke one a night for a feed.
At 6months we decided to get tough. Start giving water at 3am feed. N it worked.
He now regularly does 7.30- 7. But the nicest thing is we wake up to him playing , chatting to himself and amusing himself (rather then crying) which makes wake ups less stressful. And for the last two days he has surprised us by sitting up on his own in his cot. Q panic at lowering cot!

Right must go to sleep now.

GTbaby Mon 22-Jul-13 23:21:35

Oh n I didn't realise WWF would resign all my games! Going to have to start all over again. I'll be bk to normal playing speed on Wednesday. Can't wait for summer holidays!

I'm laid wide awake, listening to DHs snoring, wondering if M is going to wake. About 45 mins ago she woke and cried once and obviously went back to sleep. Now I can't sleep because I think she'll wake up and because DH is a noisy snory twat

Kirrin Tue 23-Jul-13 02:53:42

Brilliant storm here, but now my bed is rather crowded! N is having a bottle and DD1 is excited/scared of the noise and lightening.

PurplePidjin Tue 23-Jul-13 03:51:01

Every fucking two fucking hours. Forgot the fucking bedtime calpol hmm

Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 05:58:21


So tired. O slept through afterall. I want a newborn snuggle, I just tries skin to skin with O and she blew raspberries on me. Great.

ComradeJing Tue 23-Jul-13 06:01:36


do I need to top up with bf or has he had enough

Hope everyone is well. Has been Aaaaaaages since I last posted!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 06:10:47

Morning. Shite night here. Depite leaving all windows open all night the house hasn't cooled down at all. Well, it has, but only to 26 degrees. It felt like a proper storm, but it was just messing with me smile

LO up twice as she's hardly eaten during the day (too hot I guess) so was hungry during the night. Fun.

I drank too puch coke yesterday evening as it was the only cold thing I had so was buzzing til about 3 anyway. I try not to drink it during the evening but it was just soo hot. Note to self: put water in the fridge. Twat.

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 06:34:23

Couldn't sleep. Now up for the day. Fuck you thunder. Cunt. angry

20 minutes of wasted time and effort rocking a great big lump for him to shoot back up seconds later thanks to the cunting thunder.

DP back to work today. Good timing haha!

StuntNun Tue 23-Jul-13 07:21:17

We still had two feeds between bedtime and morning. confused Maybe J isn't getting enough solid food in the day.

We viewed a house yesterday and I'm going to phone the estate agent today and put an offer on! It has a spare room, i.e. an extra one that we don't actually need! We could have a spare bedroom or a kids playroom or a second tv in it. I'm trying not to get my hopes up though as they've been dashed so many times before.

M decided 4:44am was a good time to get up for the day. Ended up with her in with me, cuddled up spooning. Now my arm aches but at least she went back to sleep eventually

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 07:43:13

Stunt you do not need to be subtle with us. We know that room is earmarked for baby number 4 grin

J slept from 10.30 ish to 7! Well done my boy! I woke numerous times due to bad dreams and things on my mind, but I feel fairly rested.

Pass how is hubby getting on with his approaching deadline?

Pikz Tue 23-Jul-13 08:21:03

So please vq for both you and J.

l on a mission today... Currently moving the high chair he is sat in up the room by dragging himself along using the tips of the dining chairs... He already got the wetabix out of the cupboard earlier.

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 08:32:09

Good morning,

Absolutely delighted to hear you sounding more like your old self VQ. DH is doing ok, thanks. I think he is berating himself for not managing his time better earlier but, like me, he is a fly by the seat of his pants kind of guy. It's going to be a pretty tough few weeks but come September it will be pretty much over.

No storm here and no rain yet. Very overcast though so won't be long now I reckon.

Good luck with the house offer stunt. Is it one of the ones you showed us?

I laid the cot mattress flat last night and turned the sound off the baby monitor. P woke once for her dummy - I waited a bit to see what she would do but she was sleepy crying so I went in to her. She was in exactly the same place as I left her when she went to bed which is unusual. Then she slept without a peep until 6:30. I will give it another few nights before deciding if any genuine impact has been has been made.

That is hilarious pikz! Boy on a mission! P was 'running' around yesterday using a shoe box like a walker.

Donnadoon Tue 23-Jul-13 08:33:42

Morning everyone, marking place, glad it's cooled down
Hope they call the royal baby James (biased because I have one)
Izzy come back soon, flowersmust be bloody awful for you reading how all the other babies are eating and sleeping, is this your last baby ?grin

StuntNun Tue 23-Jul-13 08:36:04

Actually VQ I always thought that miniStunt#4 would share with J since DS1 and DS2 have shared a room since DS2 was 6 months old. I really hope we get this house though. It's this one.

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 08:39:41

Beautiful house stunt! Fingers crossed.

QQ. P has started to cry at nap times when I put Ewan on. Should I keep using Ewan with the New Regime or use the music on the baby monitor?

YellowWellies Tue 23-Jul-13 08:46:43

My royal baby name guess is Arthur. Did anyone see the crystal encrusted Moses basket on BBC news - let's hope that basket's occupant isn't a puker!

VQ you are sounding like your old self.

Swit swoo Stunt smile

Hope Izzy got some sleep.

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 08:49:17

Perhaps P is sick of Ewan. J is similar so I use music on my phone.

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 08:50:12

Yes ladies, I am feeling more like my old self. Thank you for your kind words. smile

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 09:20:03

Crystal encrusted? Do royal babies not try to stuff things in their mouths? Wonder what Kate's HV has to say about that! grin

Well, first nap of the day with no rocking. She was totally exhausted mind you as she started eye rubbing at 7:30. DH was fixing the stair gate so I couldn't try putting her down until just after 9. I popped Ewan on (actually forgot about trying something else), put her in her bag (started to cry and crawled off), so we sat down on the floor together and read Peter Rabbit. She was eye rolling by the end but went into her cot essentially still awake although barely. She rolled into her front and as far as I know is asleep. That took about 10 mins in total. I think we will hit the book shop later and get some sleepy stories.

I will try the lullabies on the baby monitor as well. The benefit being that they can be turned on by the parent unit rather than having to go in the room.

pikz I think you are absolutely right with the idea of there just being too much going on. If I can plan nap times a bit better I will try to integrate more down time - p doesn't really do down time right now.

ChasingDaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 09:26:37

Morning all,

Up every 3 hours here last night. Combination of the ridiculous heat and O banging his head on the cot bars.

Operation Nap in Cot enters stage 2 today, where I actually attempt naps in the cot. As I type he is just waking up from a 35 min nap in his cot smile. 5mins longer than usual. Good boy.

Clarella Tue 23-Jul-13 10:00:36

hi all - can't find issys post but from what I've picked up she's still battling sleep and food?

just to reassure you issy so am I. looks like we're going to move towards cosleeping (at least try him in own cot till we come to bed) and food - well he tries a heck of a lot so I guess it's blw but consumes v little (sometimes none) and changes his mind alot. I'm going with it and low expectations of amounts and just making it fun. 'my child won't eat' book helps.

at the end of the day I have to go back to work - a very physical work - in 6 weeks and my thyroid is still adjusting and I need my sleep!!!

MsJupiterJones Tue 23-Jul-13 10:06:04

YW my guess is Arthur too. Or Alfred. Or Albert. L could have been an Arthur but it sounded silly with our surname.

Kyzordz Tue 23-Jul-13 10:18:40

Morning all, good night here, 7:20-7:30 and no disturbances. Wish I could give a couple of hours sleep to others as a donation. Unfortunately I didn't sleep very well at all, was just too sodding hot!

Eek det hope you feel better soon :|

vq so pleased you're feeling much more like you, best news I've heard in aaages!!

Good luck with the house offer stunt

I hope the royal bay gets a good name!

Was more I wanted to say but in a rush and can't do my double screen thing

georgee Tue 23-Jul-13 10:52:15

Hi all

Just to log my night - down late at 8.20 (DH put him down in the end because I had to go out to a meeting), up then:

11.10 feed
1.10 needs nappy change (v unusual) which seems to freak him out, then up and down until 3.00. I can't settle him for more than 40 mins at a time but during this time he's refusing the breast - that's a new one!
3.00 turf DH out of bed to settle him. I sob uncontrollably for about three minutes then think 'Get some sleep you silly moo'.
5.00 - accepts a feed this time.
5.50 - up again, DH settles him
6.45 - up for the day.

I suppose at least that shows me he can go six hours during the night without a feed! Feels like he's going through some sort of transition where he's less interested in breastmilk. Not to mention sleeping.

Hope you all have a good day. Weather's broken here - thunderstorms and everything.

I think with the Royal Baby name, 'Charles' will be in there somewhere.


georgee Tue 23-Jul-13 10:53:47

... he's not bad at napping though, I'll say that for him. Usually around 2hrs/day in the cot. Good luck to those struggling with naps!

YellowWellies Tue 23-Jul-13 11:00:54

Georgee Jonas seems to be starting to lose interest in BM too - this makes me hope that 'Operation wean him in October so Mummy can be a big fat updiffed chocolate eating porker' might be OK and not too distressing for either of us! He now meeps to let me know he's done feeding and wants to go in the cot - rather than feeding to sleep. And he's napping in the cot as we speak <high fives and chest bumps Chasing>

OK am a weather geek looking at radar feeds - I've been loving this morning's storm but oh my word the size of the supercell coming later shock shock shock shock I hope I get to my sister's before that bad boy hits.

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 11:20:39

Fecking men. Why do they exist again?!

He bought new trousers for work. Did he try them on? Did he fuck. So he's left the house in a bombsite in his rush to get to a shop for trousers before work.

O won't stop screaming. He's really really unhappy. Refused breakfast and everything shock. He's been like this for a week now. So the house is still a bombsite, and I can't move for having a clingon. Fucked off. I need to eat/brush teeth/brush hair at some point. Looks like it won't be til this afternoons nap. hmm

This post took a while. O is 'helping'. hmm grin

YellowWellies Tue 23-Jul-13 11:27:17

He's still asleep in the cot - its been an hour now! Woo hoo! smile smile

Pikz Tue 23-Jul-13 11:32:15

Well done bear!

Det I too have a grumpy terrorist. eBay for him today!

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 11:33:19

J is all refluxy again. The ranitadine works for a while then stops. Grr. No illness at all. Just when I think he is sorted. Do not think it is teeth either as he has six of the fuckers already. His skin is not too bad either which makes me doubt teeth.

Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 11:40:38

What's going on today with our grumpy babies? Are they punishing us for feeling broody? O is awful, haven't had a day like this before. Nothing is good, doesn't want to nap. Just calpoled her and shut the bedroom door, I can't bear her whining, sounds awful but she has been whining since 7am.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 11:47:45

LO is grumpy today too. I think it's the weird weather and changes in pressure.

We're due another big storm this afternoon but by Thursday will be back in the 30s with 34 predicted for Saturday. Which is just a pisstake. Heatwave, bugger the fuck off, now.

StuntNun Tue 23-Jul-13 11:49:37

Be aware bfing peeps that breast refusal is common at this age. My DS2 'self-weaned' off the breast at nine months but wouldn't take formula which was a worry, so ended up being fed a lot of yoghurt. In hindsight this was probably a nursing strike and I could have maintained bfing for longer. Interestingly I did try to prolong bfing but I thought that was a selfish desire to continue for my sake rather than for DS2's wellbeing. Now I wonder whether that was maternal instinct at work. By the time we realised he was never going to take formula it was too late to go back to bfing. Just a thought to remember if it seems like your baby is losing interest, at this age it's probably a temporary situation.

I have big news to update the quiche with but it will have to wait until nap time.

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 11:49:45

Yup, I'm blaming the thunder and teeth, it's gotta be, right?!! for this.

Pikz I considered offering him for free on facebook earlier. grin I may still do. Arghhhhhhh. hmm

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 11:50:19

P is sitting in her high chair watching the rain. Occasionally I can reach around her and stuff a mouthful of fish in her gob.

Also a bag of whinge. It's like she is bored. She probably is!

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 11:50:36

Stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunt how can you do that to us! Fuck!

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 11:51:27

I have every single toy out for O. It is giving me approx 5 minutes of peace before he whinges. Okay, he is whinging now. I have no idea what the fuck at.

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 11:52:47

He's just looking at his toy and crying.

I am wondering if it is because the light projector on his cot works through either crying, or hitting it. He thinks all toys must work in this way?!

He's funny in the morning, he lets out a piercing scream, the music starts, and he stops. 5 minutes pass, and the music ends. Scream erupts again, instantly stops to the music! He can do that for a good 30 minutes! grin

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 11:56:25

Can't get my bloody email working on my new phone. Arse

ChasingDaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 11:58:23

I reckon it is the change in weather. I feel very sick tosat because of the pressure in the air.

High five YW! O is in his cot for his second nap of the day right now. Took a grand total of 5 minutes to settle him smile

Stunt! That so isn't fair! <Stamps foot>

On a completely separate note, I am trying to work out my budget and see if I can actually afford to eat so any money saving tips would be fab smile

ChasingDaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 12:09:16

I'm sitting on the sofa with a cuppa while O naps in his cot. First time in 8 fucking months!

Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 12:13:14

No weather change here, it's 40 degrees still.

chasing cloth nappies and wipes. Coupons. Cook from scratch. Veg and fruits from market. Batch cook and freeze. Meat once a week. Compare utility suppliers. No sky or virgin, only watch free view, subscribe to lovefilm instant instead. Walk, don't use public transport. Hotukdeals for presents.switch off everything before you leave the house, unplug if you don't have a switch. My electricity bill was £8 a month for a one bed flat bec nothing was on standby. If you need to use the oven, cook more things at the same time to make it worth while.

Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 12:15:22

Oh and debrand. Check out some threads and buy supermarket value things. I can recommend a couple of things such as chopped tomatoes, frozen vegetables, etc.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 12:23:01

stunt you tease!

Anyone else got a screamer? LO has just realised how fun it is to scream, just for the hell of it. DD1 joins in. It's horrible. I hope the neighbours don't think I'm up to child torture.

DD1 is being a PITA. I can't wait for the nursery workers to teach her some discipline (great mum eh?) because i am at my wits end with her. No means nothing to her other than carry on, see how much mummy will take. She plays with the dog's food and water, throws her and the dog's toys over the fence next door, just out of reach so every evening I have to go round and ask for them back, and deliberately wakes LO from her naps. That plus losing her temper if LO goes too close and either throwing stuff at or hitting her sister and believe me the creche won't be happening a moment too soon.

Naughty step (chair in our case)? Just walks away. Sent to bed? Jsut comes running straight out again (literally as I type she has just done that). Banning sweets/ toys? Couldn't give a flying fuck. Lots of one on one time and she's lovely. But the minute it is over she starts up again.

If I raise my voice she laughs. If I speak quietly she ignores me.

I love her very munch but these last few days I don't like her very much. I know what the trouble is. She is bored, and lonely, and needs some social interaction that involves other kids or, at least, other people, away from her sister. She is sick of being kept inside, but is so naughty when out with LO too that I can't take them both anywhere on my own. If I take her out just me and her she is an angel.

I give her masses of quality time - as soon as LO is asleep or playing quietly I am with DD1, but if I need to do something else, even go to the loo, she will do something naughty, or wake her little sister up.

I am so bored of being a SAHM. I loved it when it was just me and her. Feeling bad about wishing this special time away but I am so looking forward to them being in nursery. There is nothing for me to do with them other than home based activities which DD1 will not do as long as her sister is around. The pool is shut for the summer, even if I could have handled them both there, which I can't; playgroups don't exist; there's not even a safe childbased activity place. No open farms or even playgrounds that are suitable for under threes. And even those playgrounds aren't enclosed properly. I have a season pass to a local zoo but I can't handle them both on my own. DD1 misbehaves too much when I try. Plus it is too hot to go.

Fed. Up.

ChasingDaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 12:23:56

That's brilliant, thanks Lily. I got a letter the other day saying I am entitled to Healthy Start vouchers equivalent to £6.20 a week which I can spend on milk, fruit and veg. Me and Oscar will be eating the same thing at mealtimes to save cooking more than one meal. Am planning to do a Costco shop once a month for meat and fish. Luckily my flat has a big fridge/freezer.

MissMummy1 Tue 23-Jul-13 12:26:56

Chasing agree with everything lily has said. We are on a massive money-saving spree this month. Batch cooking with reduced food and making/freezing several meals has saved us a fortune alone. We tried the cloth nappy thing but it really wasn't for us, but shop around on nappies. I bought Tesco's own ones when they had a baby event on - month's supply for £15 and so far no leaks. Scrapped the sky in favour of freeview and Netflix. Having orange mobile and broadband has worked out very cheaply comparatively too. No short journeys in the car. In fact, no journeys if can be helped in the car. And now I am on a MASSIVE shop around for cheap car insurance angry .

Stunt I want to know your news!!

Pass have a look at the IP address settings - I got a geek to sort mine as my outlook mail had a silly extension thingy. Wait, your a computing teacher? Ignore me.

We had friends round last night. M graced us with her presence until 11.30pm. And just to make sure we couldn't possibly have a lie in, decided 5am was when she was starting the day. AND I have a hangover after 2 glasses of wine sad

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 23-Jul-13 12:27:33

lily you are fab

chasing my friend writes this blog, she is an amazing budgeter and great at making meals stretch. She managed to save up for a holiday by saving on her food shops last year. no running in the kitchen

We have stopped Skye for when we move and we will do free view and Love Film

Oliver has started not going to bed at night till 9 pm. His daytime naps are limited to no more than 2-3 hours a day but since Thurs he just kicks up a stink at bedtime. Once he is back up he is no trouble tbh, he just scoots around on the living room floor and we get on with whatever we were doing, but I am concerned it is becoming a habit. I am shock all my children have gone to bed at 6:45 no questions. Is it the heat? Is it his snotty cold? Could it be a surprise tooth?

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 23-Jul-13 12:29:03

stunt is it nearly nap time? It must be?

It's number 4 isn't it?

MissMummy1 Tue 23-Jul-13 12:29:07

Yes, Costco too. Although double check as I've found things are often cheaper when on offer in supermarkets.

Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 12:37:41

Aldi nappies are fab too and cheap. Can't comment on wipes as I only used them a handful of times, I still use cloths or cotton wool and water. I don't use fabric conditioner either, no need really. And break dishwasher tablets half, believe me it works the same as using a whole. Use eBay to buy oscar's clothes, I got 44 items for £9 for O.

In the uk I used to shop in tescos and used the vouchers for flight tickets. I miss that!

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 12:38:07

Either an offer on house accepted or No. 4 I reckon

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 23-Jul-13 12:38:22

Ohhhhh pr you need a network. Maybe there are lots of other mum's where you are feeling the same. Maybe this is your niche.

Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 12:41:09

Or both?

pr same here. Nothing to do. Apart from playgrounds, river and zoo. But too hot to be out even for an hour.

StuntNun Tue 23-Jul-13 12:58:18

PR this will cure DD1!

It's not good 'big news' I'm afraid, I was at the GP today and have been diagnosed with osteoarthritis of the lumbar spine at the tender age of 37. Apparently it's common in people over the age of 45 so talk about old beyond your years. I did something to it last year, ending up on hospital with a suspected ectopic pregnancy which turned out to be 'just backache'. I think everyone, including me, thought it would get better after the pregnancy but it has got worse, I can't sit comfortably in the sofa, lie on my back to sleep, or walk easily in the morning. I'm a bit shocked tbh, I thought they were going to tell me I had a slipped disc or I needed an operation, not that I had a degenerative joint condition of old age. So I have spent a bit of time on Google wondering where to go now with diet, exercise, lumbar supports and physiotherapy.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 13:02:38

I've been in the area for five years. Making friends has proved almost impossible, especially as I don't even know of any other mums in my village that don't work. We've moved house a few times and as is so often the case once you move village you'e out of sight and out of mind. Some old neighbours came for a bbq a few weeks ago and we just suddenly had nothing in common anymore.

I'll be fine once the kids are at nursery. We'll meet other parents there and little by little we'll fit in with the community. Maybe the fact I'm going to help some local kids with their English will help.

I'm just crap at being a SAHM. The children and me will all be happier once they are out of the house a lot more. I can't get on top of the housework now they never nap at the same time and LO is so mobile I can't just put her in her pen while the floor dries for eg. I need my personal space back, time to read a bloody book. Bdtime routine is still a fucking nightmare, because she is so fucking disobedient and makes so much noise we just give in and let her sleep with us.

I'd like to think I have PMT as I normally do when I feel as shit as this but I don't.

Besides this is a strange are for making friends. There is an MNer in a town about 100km away (so too far to pop in for coffee) who gave birth to twins last year. At the pre natal twins special class at the end she stood up and suggested they all exchange email addresses and phone numbers as they were all due with twins at about the same time. Not one person did it. She felt like a right wally. In this area you have the people who have been here forever and have their own network, then you have the newcomers like us. Most of us work in banking and finance (so dull socially) and anyway they make their friends via work. I work in a team of three, and i don't think I'll be seeing either of my co workers socially any time soon.

There are expat mum and baby groups up in Luxembourg but, ok, it's only 20 miles away, but getting there will be a nightmare. With the traffic it'll take ages and anyway, I did the whole expat scene in Paris and quite honestly it is extremely dull. They are all trailing spouses of bankers or EU people if they remain SAHMs. Everyone else goes back to work.

Nevermind, in a few weeks things will get easier. Just got to get past the heatwave.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 13:06:55

stunt that must have been a shock to hear that. I'm due to go for xrays on my wrists as my GP things I am showing signs of arthritis. It's a horrible thought isn't it. I also know what it is like to live with chronic back pain - also horrible.

Nothing to suggest I guess except to research the facts, and try and work out some support as needed. <<<massive hugs>>> though.

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 13:08:39

Oh Stunt I am so sorry x hopefully your Google search will come up with something helpful.

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 13:10:12

PR I have similar problems with DD2 and dread going out with all three on my own as she bolts. She is over 3 now and I was hoping she would be a bit better. She is an angel at Nursery though.

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 13:11:26

Stunt sorry to hear that sad What did the GP say to you? Can they offer treatment etc?

Good idea to google and get some information. You have to be pro-active these days, sadly.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 13:12:12

Yes a lot of things you have said about your DD2 have resonated VQ

I just assume when she is in nursery full time in the evenings she'll be knackered and weekends are always easier as we are both here so can either all go out together or take her out and about separately.

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 13:12:29

<Attacks PR with a hug>

<Recovers stiff upper lip>

I don't have any useful suggestions. Other than move back to the UK?

And yes, nursery sounds like it will be good. For the girls, and for you too.

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 13:15:59

I just had a shock moment.

Took O upstairs for a nap after yet another refused meal.

Decided it was too hot to rock him. And I needed the loo. So I put the grobag on. Put him in the cot with his blanket to cuddle eat and put the cot mobile on to keep him on his back hopefully.

I went the loo. Came back, to find he had rolled on his side and appeared to be going the fuck to sleep!

That was 30 minutes ago. So I assume he is actually afuckingsleep! YES!

I think he just likes being put to sleep, he can go to sleep himself. He just chooses to be rocked. hmm Time to put the foot down. He's too heavy for that shit now! Cuddles, yes. Rocking, patting and walking, no.

Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 13:28:58

stunt so sorry

O is asleep. I'm in for a shit night. It's 2.30 here, way too late for her to have a nap. Arghhh

Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 13:54:45

Can anyone recommend me a sling for O? Current one is until 10kgs and she is fast approaching that. I need something for our trip in October.

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 14:03:38

I knew it was too good to be true. He woke after 40 minutes. It's my own fault. I opened a box of eggs (plastic packaging, noisy as fuck) to make some lunch hmm. Woke him straight up. Picked him up and he was wide awake. Didn't want to be rocked. So did the cot mobile again. It worked, and he took himself back off to sleep. For 5 fucking minutes. And that was that.

He is now up, and grumpy as fuck yet again.

I feel like tearing my hair out. I've given calpol, but really don't know what the fuck is wrong!!! He won't stop hysterically screaming for more than about 3 minutes. sad

Hurry up bed time sad

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 14:04:12

He normally sleeps 2-3 hours sad 45 broken fucking minutes do not equal a happy detective!

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 14:12:50

stunt that sounds horrendous. Awful

PR no solutions I am afraid.

MM I am but this has been totally arsed. So much so that I am considering just making a new email address and being done with it

StuntNun Tue 23-Jul-13 14:19:57

I have sling group tomorrow Lily if you want me to ask any questions. I'm hoping to borrow a mei tai as I'm not confident with my woven wrap and back carries, I suspect it isn't quite long enough and long woven wraps seem to cost a lot more than mei tais. DH borrowed a Baby Bjorn when we went to the Edinburgh Camera Obscura and J loved it! He didn't know they were evil contraptions that destroy babies' hips.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 14:25:38

Ok I know I said in my routine plan that no napping after 3pm but girls, just go the fuck to sleep and stop trying to outscream each other. I have had to closethe fucking windows it is 30 fucking degrees in here.

For sale, two babies, all accessories included. 50p. An extra 10p you get a dog too, cats included.

Pikz Tue 23-Jul-13 14:34:36

PR we could do a bulk lot... Your two girls, Oscar and Luc plus pets... Sure to sell!

Stunt I am so sorry.

Am chucking stuff out now L finally asleep... Am bored of the mess and junk.

StuntNun Tue 23-Jul-13 14:50:15

Still no news on the house offer < bites nails frantically > it was a low shot across the bows (£195k on a £210k house) so there's no way they'll accept.

I am making plans to try and increase the amount of exercise I'm doing. DS1 wants to get some practice at swimming lengths as his school has a competition every year - one of them did 5000m last year. shock I was a bit shocked actually as it seems like a lot for a 9 year old to do 'just because'. I could understand if they were raising money for charity or something. I swam 2500m once and I was dropping with exhaustion when I got out of the pool. 5000m is 200 lengths ffs. Anyway last year DS1 wasn't allowed to attempt the challenge which I wasn't happy about. He isn't a great swimmer but they could at least have let him try. So swimming once a week would be a good option and I coul swim lengths with DS1 while DH plays with DS2 and J. Then I have the cross trainer gathering dust in the kitchen. I had been trying to up the amount of walking I was doing which was easy when the boys were at school but hasn't been happening since school finished. Unfortunately the dog is broken so we'll have to start going for walks without her.

I'm also going to go the the physio and ask for some advice on posture and lumbar support. He saw me before the back pain started for unrelated neck pain so he should have a good idea of what's changed. I find sitting on the sofa to watch tv very painful so I could do with a recommendation for a good chair.

When I see the pain that my parents and MIL are in with arthritis I really want to put in some good lifestyle changes now to preserve what I have and hopefully even strengthen up the muscles surrounding the damaged area.

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 15:00:38

I just snapped at Oscar to shut up for 5 bloody minutes. I don't know what the fuck is wrong. He is fine for 1 minute then just starts screaming at the top of his lungs. Hysterical screams.

Now going to be late for school as he is having a fucking bottle. hmm

And I'm sweaty as fuck.

Can we bring sweary Wednesday forward please????!!!!!

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 15:07:22

stunt when I broke my back the only chair I found comfortable was the desk chair we had at home in the pc corner. It was quite a good one (until the fucking cat finished it off) and supported me perfectly while also being nice and comfy. Could be worth you going to an office furniture shop and trying some out? I wheeled it all over the flat, to the living area to watch t , used it as a dining chair as well as at the pc. It was wonderful.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 15:08:06

detective I already started sweary Wednesday grin

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 15:11:23

Oh good. Weather warning for more lovely storms. Yay.

PurplePidjin Tue 23-Jul-13 15:24:13

Lily what type suits you best? Decent buckles are £80-100 (not sure on hungarian prices!) and brands to look at are Rose and Rebellion, Connecta, Manduca, Beco and Boba.

Mei Tais are cheaper, work like the buckle carriers but tie instead of clipping. Avoid Palm and Pond as they come up small. MNS on ebay have a good reputation

Then there's ring slings and wovens. Amazonas, Lenny Lamb and Little Frog are all about £50 new - probably cheaper, LF are a Polish make and so postage etc will be less smile

Kyzordz Tue 23-Jul-13 15:29:38

Afternoon, just as soon as I picked the iPad up lo starts crying. He always sleeps for a good 2 hours in the afternoon. Why not today? Argh!

Odd that there are so many grumpy unsettled babies today! E isn't his usual self, he's been a bit whiny and crying when he wouldn't usually. Hope they all make up for it tomorrow and bloody well sleep tonight

Speaking of sleep, e usually drains his 3 bottles, so 24oz. Yesterday he wasn't fussed on the last half of the lunch bottle, but drank it and today he flat out refused the last 3oz so will only have 21oz max today. He has eaten more at lunch than usual so I'm assuming that's why he didn't want the rest of his bottle. Didn't eat much breakfast as usual. I am now worried he is trying to drop another bottle and is going to wake at night. I fucking hope not!!!

Well done on the nap yw's bear!

Oh pr you sound very fed up sad how far away is nursery?

stunt sorry to hear that sad I hope a few lifestyle changes can help stop things getting any worse

det FC for you it's a toof and its through soon, that sounds like a very un fun day sad

These tips on money saving are very much appreciated here too, really need to save some cash ATM, have fuck all in terms of savings

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 15:46:31

At the top of the village behind the chateau kyz

Or did you mean how long til it starts? Sorry. The settling in period starts in four weeks and 6 days, not that I am counting oh yes I am

StuntNun Tue 23-Jul-13 15:55:21

Maybe the thunderstorms are making the LOs extra sensitive?

Just had a call from the estate agent; there could be more big news today!

Kyzordz Tue 23-Jul-13 15:57:34

Ooh ooh stunt hope it's good news this time!

grin pr I meant how long until they go... Not toooo long then and it sounds like it'll give the girls something to do too smile

ChasingDaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 16:16:18

Third nap was a fucking nightmare. Took me an hour and two transfer fails to get him down. Then he wakes up after half an hour. 45 mins and 3 transfer fails later, I've given up and dumped him with my dad so I can get some space. he is really tired and wants to sleep, so just fucking sleep! It's so hot and my dad is so loud around the house that he keeps waking up. Now I'm worried that this will go and fuck up his good bedtime routine and he won't go down/stay asleep tonight.

Stressed and really fucking hot.

Did someone mention bringing sweary Wednesday forward??

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 23-Jul-13 16:16:55

stunt we were a bit wide of the mark then. What does this mean for you long term? Can it be managed? Big huggeroo. Xx

Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 16:17:25

Carrier wise I'm looking for one that I can use both front and back. With clips, I am not good with wraps and with those that tie. i had a close wrap and didnt like it. like the bjorn and have one but i wont use it for O. Light weight, don't want one of those back packs with supports. I don't mind the price (having said that I will try to find a bargain) and will order probably on a uk site and my brother can bring it home. I want something that I can use for the next year. I will google the ones that got mentioned.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 23-Jul-13 16:17:45

stunt yep some counter active good news required please.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 16:17:57

It will be brilliant for them. I am so chuffed that they got the places we are really lucky, those places are like gold dust, it's a brilliant nursery. DD1 is a really sociable child and needs interaction with other children, and we don't know any her age. Sometimes I'm really sad for her as she will stand at the garden hedge listening to other children playing, or when I take her to the park she runs and watches the older children as close as she dares. I kind of remember the lonely curiosity about other children from when I was just a bit older than her - my loneliness was due to shyness - and I don't want her to lose the confidence she has. Which is why it is so important that she learns to interact with other children asap.

After my rant earlier on I ignored them both for a while. LO was in her walker and DD1 decided to play with her. I kept an eye on them of course but left them to it and they very cutely played together for about half an hour. When enough was enough I gave DD1 a hug and told her I was proud of her for looking after her sister so well and she turned, looked at me out of the corner of her eye with a smirk and said 'bonbon?' So she got a sweet. It was very cute, I almost felt guilty for being so annoyed with her earlier on. Then she grabbed LO's pee filled nappy (I was changing her) and threw it right at me.

StuntNun Tue 23-Jul-13 16:28:16

It took a bit of haggling but we have sale agreed! I've been burned before so I won't be counting my chickens, if you don't mind me mixing my metaphors. But at least in principle we will be moving house. Oh help, now we have to pack! And I live with a hoarder. It's going to be horrible. At least the new house has a big garage so we'll be able to dump loads of stuff in there and unpack gradually. DS1 and DS2 are already deciding which bedrooms they're going to have.

Sophia the osteoarthritis isn't going to get any better but there's loads I can do to prevent or delay it getting any worse. I think the big shock is because I've been putting up with the pain and stiffness but thinking it was going to get sorted out. Now I have to adjust to it being a permanent feature of my life and something I'm going to have to deal with proactively. My MIL is in a terrible state with her arthritis and I don't want to end up in such a bad way.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 16:43:30

That's great news stunt moving house is always very exciting..

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 17:13:11

Good news Stunt - lovely house too smile

We would love to move, and were due to view a house this week but the time is not right. We cannot really afford to move and I am not sure I could cope with the stress. We need to appreciate the lovely home we have, and be grateful for it.

Kirrin Tue 23-Jul-13 17:29:03

PR your DD1 sounds just like mine was - I think we are about 6 months ahead of you. Nursery was the making of her - lots of interaction with other kids, bit of peer pressure and discipline and she is a different child. She still wants a lot of 1-1 attention and gets jealous of the baby, and still pushes her luck a bit but gives in much more easily and actually listens to me sometimes too grin

So sorry about your back stunt what a shock. Swimming is a good plan I think.
But great news on the house - it looks lovely.

I have wondered before if sweary Wednesday just isn't enough anymore?! Perhaps we need two sweary days a week?

PetiteRaleuse Tue 23-Jul-13 17:36:25

That's very reassuring kirrin thanks smile

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 17:47:41

I vote for sweary weekdays.

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 18:08:37

Can we just have swearyroundthefuckingclock?

Stunt What a day of highs and lows! The house looks utterly gorgeous. Verrrrrrry envy envy envy.

I declare the bad mood babies are due to the weather. Just been to Asda, and I have never seen so many bickering couples confused. In fact I'm pretty sure I have never seen a single argument in a supermarket except at Christmas but that doesn't count!. 3 seperate rowing couples entertained me on the way round. O finally chilled the fuck out - think as it was cooler inside there it helped.

Now back home and he is playing nicely trying to pull the fireguard off hmm but whatever. As long as he isn't fucking whining I don't care!!!

DP text me to say his work asked him to do overtime tomorrow. I hope he said no. I hope I hope I hope!

Now got to try and make dinner, when I still feel very nauseous. <Bleurrrghhhhh>.

DP has a sink full of dishes and a dog hair covered house to come home to. And me. Sweaty. And sweary. Lucky DP eh?!

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 18:10:27

I thought you already did Detective grin

MsJupiterJones Tue 23-Jul-13 18:21:39

Stunt and Lily one thing to think about with soft structured carriers (with buckles) is whether you need one with straps that cross or not (for a front carry). I loved the look of the Boba 3G but when I tried one at a sling library it just slipped off my (slopy) shoulders. I now have a Rose & Rebellion which crosses over and is more comfortable. I haven't mastered back carrying yet!

PurplePidjin Tue 23-Jul-13 19:01:41

3 of my bf group have gone for the R+R, and dp loves his smile

I've accidentally converted all the mums I'm friends with OOPS

Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 19:08:27

msjupiter thanks so much, I was looking into the boba 3G and quite liked it though I think you might be right. How about the ergo? Rose and rebellion was recommended by another friend too.

MsJupiterJones Tue 23-Jul-13 19:13:11

Lots of people love the Boba so you could be fine Lily but it's just something to consider if like me bags tend to slip off your shoulder. I didn't try the Ergo but it seems good. R&R is great although don't know how long it will last size-wise.

Have been watching bloody Lindo Wing door for last hour.

ChasingDaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 19:16:41

Tiny little royal baby hands smile

MsJupiterJones Tue 23-Jul-13 19:19:22

Doing the royal wave!

PurplePidjin Tue 23-Jul-13 19:25:09

Ergo doesn't cross smile i tried one and the buckles dug into my boobs, as they did to another friend blessed in that department! Best to try a few tbh. When do you want it? I could fb you local meets for when you're over if you're ok to wait?

ChasingDaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 19:26:51

Watching Will as the doting dad made me cry.

Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 19:35:04

pp I need it before. Just found a sling group in my city, emailed them.

Evilwater Tue 23-Jul-13 19:37:48

Hello all,
Had a wonderful time with N today, we went to jump 123 which is soft play. He loved it and was exhausted after it. I'm here at bingo, and there is no healthy option, and no dairy free.sad but there is a side salad. confused

stunt congrats on the house.
det it's the weather, I feel like complaining at this moment.


Lily311 Tue 23-Jul-13 19:38:04

I was very worried about O today, she screamed and screamed. She had a second dose of calpol and for the first time ever I had to go for a walk to get her to sleep in the sling. Poor baba.

Great news stunt.

StuntNun Tue 23-Jul-13 19:55:54

Thanks guys. The house doesn't look quite so good in the flesh as it does in the pictures, but it's definitely a step up from where we are now. If I ever get my hands on the idiots that lived here before us it won't be pretty.

PurplePidjin Tue 23-Jul-13 19:58:56

Hurrah, Lily! grin

Evil i wondered what you were on about on facefuck!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 23-Jul-13 19:59:24

Another whinger here today - although she was fine for the first hour or so when I picked her up, bedtime was a bit hideous. She does have tooth number 3 breaking through though, which is making her reflux play up (sounding as though she has a 20-a-day habit again).

Stunt sad but also grin - hope the house move comes through.

PR dd1 sounds....characterful grin

Chasing I'm glad operation nap is going well so far, long may it continue.

DH is sat next to me eating Ben & Jerrys. Not. Fair.

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 20:09:37


Pikz Tue 23-Jul-13 20:11:16

I want Ben and jerrys

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 20:11:22

Almost an hour and a half after bedtime started p is still not down. We have had two stories, lots of cuddles and face stroking, time to self-settle, gentle rocking, slightly more energetic rocking and still she is awake. She just cannot switch off. Every time she is put down she rolls over, crawl away and pulls herself to standing. Every. Single. Time.

MissMummy1 Tue 23-Jul-13 20:29:31

Fucking hell, a massive bolt of lightening just landed in our street. Everyone's car alarms are going off and my power is down. And DP has fucked off out on his bike to visit his workmates. Prat. <scaredy cat face>

Stunt so sorry to hear of your back. My mum suffers from sever back problems and I know how debilitating it can be. She relies on constant heat therapy (heat pads etc) and finds swimming helps a lot. Hope you can get on top of it. xx Great news about the house though - I am keeping everything crossed for you!!

YellowWellies Tue 23-Jul-13 20:30:06

Hmmm just heard thunder - remnants of today's cracking super cell. Will it wake him I wonder? please no sad Woo the rain is like someone's turned a hose on!

Stunt yey and boo!

PR wine my sister was having one of those days with her two.

Pass I hope she's asleep now wine

And whose idea was it to dress the royal bird in heels? less than 27 hours after giving birth NO ONE should be in heels. Still at least she was wearing her post birth bump with pride. Well done that girl.

MissMummy1 Tue 23-Jul-13 20:30:12

I am too scared to go out and turn my car alarm off

YellowWellies Tue 23-Jul-13 20:31:47

MM what's he doing on a bike and diving???? His work are going to be hmm hmm hmm hmm as he shouldn't be doing either should he?

YellowWellies Tue 23-Jul-13 20:32:58

MM would it not have hit the fuck off great metal bridge in your back garden? You'll be fine xxxxx

ChasingDaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 20:35:29

pass do you think it is a developmental leap affecting P? Sounds like her brain is just too switched on. That's probably not very helpful, sorry. Just a thought that popped into my head as I was reading your post.

MM that is my worst nightmare. But you know, it can't strike twice so you're safe now grin

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 20:47:13

<grabs bottle off YW and takes a massive swig>

Cheers, dollface.

She is asleep. Thank goodness.

I wanted to cook dinner for my husband. For once. I still did but it was hardly relaxing

DH: so, have you heard from . . .
Me: I'll go
Me: still not fucking asleep. She had ripped Ewan from his perch and he was all wet when I rescued him.
Me: anyway. Yeah, she called earlier and . . .
DH: I'll go this time

And so on.

I would like you to know, however, that on finding a fruit fly in my wine just now I calmly fished it out and placed it on my napkin before blowing on it gently to dry it off.

I am owed one

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 20:51:42

Thunder and lightening, very, very frightening me!
Galileo, Galileo, Galileo blah blah blah

And so on.

chasing I think you are right and it does help to rationalise it. 2 naps today were fabulous and very pleasant. I had high hopes for this evening. Ach well. Not the end of the world. Rather now than at 2am

MissMummy1 Tue 23-Jul-13 20:53:54

YW nope. He is actually cycling to work as we speak to "see his boys" - twunt. My car has stopped screaming but I am so scared. I'm such a girl sad

Also, on peering out, I have noticed he didn't take my washing in as requested. Prat prat prat. angry

Pass M was like this last night when we had friends round. They just know...

MissMummy1 Tue 23-Jul-13 20:54:56

Oh my word, it has just struck a house further up the village shock

The whole quarry (including my house) actually just shook!!!! <wibble>

YellowWellies Tue 23-Jul-13 20:59:33

You're on the bottom of the hill it'll hit the houses up by the bridges before you. Be smug at your low altitude smile xx

MissMummy1 Tue 23-Jul-13 21:02:03

Be smug my baby is still asleep grin

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 23-Jul-13 21:05:36

stunt What a day! Sorry to hear your horrible news but fab news about the house. I love the kitchen. It's very similar to mine (although that one is about 3 times the size of mine!). Fingers crossed everything goes through ok. Ive been trying to move for a year now. We finally have good buyers but theres not one house on the market that I like fussy much so I can see these buyers pulling out as they won't wait forever. Am hoping once the school holidays are over there will be more houses on the market.

pr I can sympathise. My DD1 can be an absolute terror. She used to be a bolter but now at 3.5 is much much better. She needs social interaction and lots of it. I'm lucky though as I have a large network of friends with kids. I really couldn't cope if I didn't so you're doing a bloody marvellous job. She went to nursery at 18 months for just one morning a week and it really benifited her. Hang on in there.

Oh I missed them leaving hospital. Still I'm sure it will be on the news. I wonder when they will anounce his name.

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 21:07:23

Oh <snogs stunt > hoorah!!

YellowWellies Tue 23-Jul-13 21:11:30

grin I'm equally smug at my (so far) thunder proof baby.

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 21:13:26

No thunder here. The rain has just come on though - almost biblical

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 21:15:05

My baby is still awake. And unhappy with acid. Fucking ranitadine.

Evilwater Tue 23-Jul-13 21:18:55

pass you are deffo owed !!

Pikz Tue 23-Jul-13 21:23:36

Pass if it makes you feel any better L has gone to bed 10 mins ago...there was no point before that..he was just crawling and trying to walk and failing! Like a manic thing

I baked weaning goodies from my weaning cookbook around him and made dinner. He has never gone to bed this late.

Weaning scone fingers= lush!

MissMummy1 Tue 23-Jul-13 21:33:36

Wimper... someone come and be my thunder buddy? confused

BigPigLittlePig Tue 23-Jul-13 21:34:51

MM I would, but it's not thundering here. Proper coward though. Head under pillow with fingers in my ears job here whenever there's a thunderstorm.

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 21:35:06

Poor you mm!

Scone fingers sound delicious.

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 21:35:47

Och I love a wee thunder and lightening - makes me feel all primal.

Evilwater Tue 23-Jul-13 21:39:11

I am so going to complain about no healthy options.

Kirrin Tue 23-Jul-13 21:56:36

ooh, I love a good thunder storm. None here yet but it is trying to rain.

bedtime was better tonight, if you ignore the fact that DD1 fell asleep on N's floor! There was no screaming so I'll take that as a win grin

I'll be honest, the royal baby news coverage is starting to irritate a little. It lovely an all but there isn't really anything new to report so they're having to resort to drivel. I couldn't help but think of all the threads you get on here complaining that the in laws want to visit too soon - imagine how Will and Kate feel!

ChasingDaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 21:57:48

Just caught up with thread. Lily and Det how are your O's now after their screamathons today?

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Tue 23-Jul-13 21:58:37

stunt rubbish news about the back. Fingers crossed about the house all going smoothly.

PR I have days like that too. Nursery is so good,am sure it will help.

evil how annoying.

Am fucking manic at work this week. Barely have time to draw breath at the moment. BP I will respond to you soon.

Wishing you all a good asleep, especially iZzy if you are lurking at all.

ChasingDaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 22:10:17

Can I ask what you are all doing with bathing now? How often, do you use any bath products/shampoo etc?

I bath O every 2/3 days and only use water for it and washing his hair. Is this still ok? Or will it not be getting him clean enough?

Also, his hair is quite dry and fluffy, most babies I see have lovely silky hair. Am I doing something wrong? It just gets washed with plain water every bath time.

Feeling a bit blue tonight. Royal birth made me feel emotional and lonely. And broody

Kyzordz Tue 23-Jul-13 22:11:38

Evening all,

god today has been a shitty one!

that's great news stunt about the house. Can't remember if I already said that or not!

I do think we need another sweary day. Today has been one!

hope all the upset babies are ok tomorrow, mine is asleep and i'm praying he stays that way the miserable so and so

vq hope j settles ok

pass glad p has gone asleep

izzy if you're lurking, some hugs and i hope you're alright lovely

jealous of the thunderstorms, nothing here tonight and i LOVE them, even though the thunder kept me up last night

hope everyone gets a decent sleep tonight. Sorry for the lack of posting, though i bet you're all glad to not have to read my epic posts! It's just a little house martin fell out of a friends nest and i've raised a house sparrow from hatching age before, so this little guy is left in my too busy hands. He is eating, drinking and pooing well but they take up alot of time, this little fella needs feeding every 20 mins or so. He will be released back in the garden when he is fledged. Not my garden, my friends. Anyway, between that and e and the usual, i just haven't had the time. Sorry quiche.

BTW he is called ernest whilst he's here

night xx

Evilwater Tue 23-Jul-13 22:22:20

no rain or storms here!
Have good nites


Elizadoesdolittle Tue 23-Jul-13 22:23:51

chasing E has a bath everynight but that's really only as I bath DD1 everynight as part of her bed time routine cos she's always filthy. I don't use any products on E apart from Dentinox shampoo for her cradle cap and I don't do that every day. Probably about every other day or every 3. I don't think there is any need for any soap etc this age.

kyz Blimey is there annything you can't do. Not content with raising E, helping your mum with Elyza you are now rearing baby birds. No wonder you don't have time to post much Loving the name ernest.

ValiumQueen Tue 23-Jul-13 22:30:27

J has just settled poor wee boy. He sat on the front step with daddy watching the rain and lightening and he thought it was the best thing ever.

Sweet dreams all.

I thought the royal baby was called Ernest when I saw the last post.

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 22:31:34

kirrin I turned the telly off at 7am and it hasn't been on since

kyz! If I do come back as a fruit fly I hope I come back in your wine! You will have me under heat lamps in no time. You are a lovely, lovely person.

chasing p a bathed every night in oilatum bath stuff. Mostly just playing rather than washing. With the heat recently and p being covered in sun block e did use a splash of bubble bath. I just rub her head with the flannel. Does his scalp need moisturised?

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 22:40:26

Bathing is a rare occurrence here to be honest. Proper bath once a week I'd say. I stick some baby bath bubbles in as his skin seems fine with it.

Been using the shower more. It's fascinating for him grin. He had a quick shower tonight after spaghetti gate. But that is mostly because he was covered in starchy dog hair hmm.

I mostly wash him with a flannel.

O improved when DS1 came home from school. Then deteriorated again when DP got home at bedtime. I don't know why he has decided he must steal food from my plate now. Just mine. No one elses. hmm.

Have started having to think about meals to make sure there is something he can have! Even though he already has his dinner....!

He did eat dinner tonight. After food refusing all day. So that's good.

Pass What time do you do bedtime? And what time is her last nap? I'm starting to think about putting O down before 7. Just to see... his bed is closer to 8 now as trying to fit all feeds etc in is making things rushed. But will give it a go.

He hardly slept today. Not like him at all. I hope to fuck he sleeps tonight. He went down very easily, and has only woke because knobhead woke him fixing a fan outside his room. hmm

DP agreed to doing overtime tomorrow and thursday wonder why hmm, so now I have 4 days ahead to look forward to with 2 children on my own. Fabulous. O better stop whinging!!

TheDetective Tue 23-Jul-13 22:45:09

I'm a little lot emotional tonight. Tomorrow is DS1's last day at primary school.

I have written my mum a card, trying to tell her how grateful I am for everything she has done for DS, and me. But words don't really cut it sometimes! Have bought her a big bouquet of flowers for DS to give her.

But when do I give them? She will be at the leavers assembly obvs, but do I give her them after the assembly is over, or do I get DS to give them during the assembly. Not sure how other people would react, so thinking of giving them when it is over.

End of an era here. Start of new things for us. But the realisation I won't see my mum like I do now, and won't have her to remind me of everythings. She won't see O all the time like she does now, or DS1. I won't have the constant reliable childcare she has given me all these years. It's making me feel very sad. sad

Mum has been on the phone crying tonight! God help us tomorrow. I'm not bothering wearing make up!

ChasingDaisy Tue 23-Jul-13 22:54:56

Det sounds like you have a lovely relationship with your mum.

kyz you really are lovely.

pass I used to use Aveeno on his scalp as it was dry but it is fine now so no need. I think it is because he has thick Chinese hair and I don't know how to handle it. XP was going to be in charge of hair.

O woke just as I fell asleep. FFS. I am hot and pissed off. Why won't he sleep for longer than 3 hours? I thought I was really getting somewhere with his sleep when he started sleeping through until 5. Now we are back to square fucking one again.

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 22:55:01

Oh bless you det. Must be a weird time.


P's 'routine this week for sleep is

6:30 up (usually before. Anytime after 6am)
9am nap for approx 1hr 15. She bizarrely wakes at pretty much 1hr 17 every time!
1pm-1:30 nap for approx 1hr-1:30
Bath 6:15
Bed and asleep aim for 7pm

Today she woke from her afternoon nap too early which made h rest of the day shit. She was like a coiled spring by bedtime and massively overtired. She was twitching.

Pretty delicate balancing act really.

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 22:58:52

No chasing! Just a wee blip, that's all! All your hard work will pay off.

In hair chat, could you scope out a local hairdresser with expertise in Chinese hair? I'll bet if you wandered into a few salons with the beautiful o they would be charmed into giving you some advice - maybe even some samples of things to save for when he is bigger

Passmethecrisps Tue 23-Jul-13 23:00:08

And det the rule used to be no naps after 5. I think now it is after 4. She has slept until 5 a couple of times recently and both times were nightmare bedtimes

YellowWellies Tue 23-Jul-13 23:56:35

We bath every night and only use a touch of oilatum. Don't use any baby shampoo - and he has lots of curly hair. Aren't they just a needless expense at this age?

Ernest is one of Jonas' middle names - after our lovely Ghanaian obstetrician on the island who got him the fuck out Jonas was the first boy he'd delivered on the island. He was such a wicked guy.

Bryzoan Wed 24-Jul-13 00:39:06

So sorry about your arthritis stunt. Time to put yourself at the top of the list for looking after. House is very exciting, fingers crossed.

Here is to wishing ernest a fast recovery kyz

G hasn't managed more than 1 half ht nap today and has been very unsettled. Has been very refluxy this evening and has a high temp so have given him calpol and stripped him down. Can a bug make reflux worse? He and I both need more sleep. So far he has managed to sleep on and off this evening but only upright and on me. Have now given up hope of a cot transfer - will be happy if I can get him to sleep next to me.

Bryzoan Wed 24-Jul-13 01:58:56

And we keep being dive bombed by a massive moth.

StuntNun Wed 24-Jul-13 03:37:33

J is bathed every other night ish with Oilatum bath oil Chasing and I give his hair a wipe over with a flannel.

Lily311 Wed 24-Jul-13 05:06:11

O woke at 11 screaming. She was fine as long as I put my hand on her back but cried when I left. It was a 30min battle. I wonder what is wrong with her.

She has a bath every night. I use tesco baby head to toe wash, she is very sweaty and sticky, water is not enough. She is a funny little one, hates her ducks in the water, as soon as they are out she splashes about happily.

Evilwater Wed 24-Jul-13 06:27:54

N woke up screaming at 12, just like when he was a new born. He had a very arched back, and his cry was a high pitched, and he was very difficult to settle. He only settled when I gave him is milk, and I could see it was on account of a sore throat. He took ages to get back to sleep, and I had to give paracetamol. I've not had a nightlike that since he was a newborn.

No rain or storm here!
N Was having a bath once a week, but since it was so hot he had one every single day.


MadameGazelleIsMyMum Wed 24-Jul-13 06:41:33

S is bathed every night, sometimes with bubble bath, sometimes not. Hair washed twice a week ish. DD was having a bath every night so S slotted into her routine. They both love the water and its a good wind down to bed. Aim for them both go be in bed by 1830, asleep by 1900. Doesn't always go to plan huge understatement as I am often doing bedtime just me.

Was it kirrin also having bedtime problems when doing bedtime solo? When my routine works, it is great. This is what we do. Stop playing and upstairs by 1800. Both into bath, washed, dried and into pjs and back downstairs for milk and cartoons (DD) while I feed S his last bottle. S into cot preferably having fallen asleep on bottle, then DD to bed for a story and sleep. If S doesn't fall asleep on the bottle then he rarely is happy to self settle, so I usually have to dart between the two rooms. Sometimes DD falls asleep while waiting for me to finish settling DS, and she doesn't get a story sad but by and large it works for us.

TheDetective Wed 24-Jul-13 06:51:45

O just broke his cot mobile. The bit that the mobile itself attaches to has snapped off so you can no longer hook the music box plus toy part on. So completely useless and more importantly, dangerous still can't find the piece that snapped off!!.

I didn't realise they weren't to be used after 6 months. hmm

Going to take it back anyway as I'm pretty sure an 8 month old shouldn't be able to snap it though.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 24-Jul-13 07:05:14

Chasing we have to have a dunk in the bath every evening after tea, as she is so grubby (think food in ears, hair, fat folds) that it is easier to run an inch of water in the bath and let her splash. No products though. Maybe once a week I use a little bit of baby shampoo on her hair, usually if her hair smells a bit funny, or has got suncream in it.

Det hope today goes ok. I bet you're reeeeally looking forward to 6 weeks with them both wink

Luckily bedtimes here, when dsd is here, aren't too bad. She is quite content to read her books in her room and wait for me to finish - but she is nearly 6 so that much older.

I hope izzy is ok, if she's lurking.

F was up at 4.55 today. I made her a bottle but she only had 2oz, so she's clearly not waking hungry. Ended up dragging the spare mattress back into her room, and she settled on that next to me. She's still there now. I've been awake ever since envy. Think I shall attempt one final bit of sleep training, to crack the 5am wake-ups.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 24-Jul-13 07:06:00

Have just clocked a "royal baby in car seat incorrectly" thread. FFS leave the poor things alone!

Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 07:13:37

I saw that. They have more coppers than a shiny black shoe convention and will be travelling in convoy.

I imagine their instructions were to get into the car quickly and go.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 08:11:24


Pikz Wed 24-Jul-13 08:11:25

We bath every night here... He loves it and we use a little bit of cheap baby bubble bath as he likes the bubbles. It's his bedtime routine and he knows it!

I think I need to cut his late afternoon nap in the same way I got rid of the early morning one.. I also need to cut some bottles but that shall be a battle after hols in holland ( I call it a holiday but dp will jump out of planes and I will try and entertain L with less stuff than at home and no friends )

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 24-Jul-13 08:30:05

The porridge oat baths I gave O when he had chicken pox seem to have for rid of his exczema. confused

PurplePidjin Wed 24-Jul-13 08:53:35

Bath every night here, R doesn't cope if his routine is messed with hmm we use Boots emollient stuff as it doesn't have sodium laureth sulphate in. Baths consist of 2" warm water, some toys and a lot of splashing!

An ok night, woke at 12:45 and 4:15. He didn't really settle after the 4:15 though, needed a quick walk at 5 then was up at 5:50. Nice for dp to have some time with him before work though smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 09:01:49

We do baths every two or three days depending on the heat and general dirt. LO loves them I can't wait to start them both at the pool in September. DD1 really loved her Sunday morning pool sessions last year. Am a bit hmm at paying for the child sessions - 150€ each for the year, term time only. 300 is a lot to pay out at once. But it would be good for all of us.

Random, minor emergency...

We're supposed to be going to my mums later this morning and then taking my DPs to a funeral this after. However M has done a large poo this mornings that has leaked in to the car seat!
How the frig do I wash and get the covers dry in time?
Arghh bloody turds!

Was contemplating leaving M with my niece rather than trailing her about waiting outside the crem but still have the issue of getting her to my nieces in a presumably wet car seat

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 09:08:12

Rinse and put plastic bags over them ?

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 24-Jul-13 09:32:00

I think the plastic bags here too.

It's right in the bloody corner crack as well. I've rinsed, rubbed some bio gel in to it and then rinsed again. It's sat on the doorstep to dry a bit then will have to go with plastic bag over it.
Will drop her with my niece then it only needs to be two 15 min journeys instead of multiple journeys adding up to a couple of hours.
Thank you

Evilwater Wed 24-Jul-13 11:03:50

fatmia is there a 15 minute wash? After that pop it in the dryer.

p is so funny, he is moaning about all the immigrants, when infact he is Spanish! grin


Kyzordz Wed 24-Jul-13 11:30:26

Morning all! Gosh this bird is like having a newborn!

eliza I studied animal care for 3 years and have a zoology degree so should know how to look after a little bird after all that! The sparrow I raised wasn't easy and they don't often survive but he lived to about 3 and was a funny little fellow. Tried letting him go and he stayed around the house and came back in every time I opened a bloody window. Little jack sparrow. Loved him to bits! Anyway Ernest wasn't bad through the night so I did get sleep, fed him a few times but he's old enough to go through now I just worried he would get cold and also he was on the floor all day until my friend (severely disabled) could get someone else to get him for her and he was sat out in the heat, so I wanted to make sure he was well fed and given plenty of fluids. Tonight I'm hoping he'll manage without for a bit longer but he is still unable to eat or drink for himself so perhaps not. He is still requiring heat too and as I can remember where I put my lamp thingy I am using a hot water bottle that needs changing regularly.

chasing e has a bath every night mainly for routine and I use Johnsons shampoo. He doesn't have bubble bath usually but it's all Johnsons when he does. I only use the shampoo because I frigging love the smell, it is wonderful

pass shucks, I just couldn't leave the little mite to it, I know it's nature and all that but if I died or something and someone found e I'd want him to be looked after, so I'll do the same for this little fella smile I think the hardest thing I cared for was a sodding baby crow. They're not small and he wasn't easy, but he got there in the end smile

det sounds like you and your mum have a wonderful relationship smile e has broken his mobile too, did it yesterday

Omg bry I'd die! I would save and nurture anything but I am petrified of moths! I hope g has a better day today, bless him

Eek glad you've sorted it fatima!

Lol evil

Hope izzy got some sleep last night and everyone else too.

Feeling meh today. Running out of silly purées and have no sodding time and he doesn't bloody like them anyway. Yesterday was one of those days, had to persuade him to eat and he just wasn't fussed, mind you he only had 21oz milk so maybe yesterday was just a not eating much day

Lily311 Wed 24-Jul-13 11:46:46

I have my Two nieces Until tmrw, they are 6 and 7. I luff them to bits and more importantly they cheered O right up. It's nice to have them and the age gap is perfect (between O and them). My nephew had his operation this morning, they took his tonsils out as the first step to help him hear. Op was a success and he woke up already.

Now watching some cartoons and truly enjoying it.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 12:12:38

kyz you're amazing. I once rescued a baby swallow, which I named Spit. He only lasted a few hours. I was ridiculously sad. I was going through a breakup and Spit seemed like just what I needed to stop the navel gazing.

Spent ages making a batch of lamb casserole for LO. Had put it in the little pots then in the garage to cool.was bringing the tray back into the kitchen to seal and freeze and tripped over the bastard cat. The dog was happy, and DD1 repeated the word twat for about 20 minutes afterwards blush

Then I was defrosting another pot for LO's lunch and for some reason it exploded in the microwave, which was fucking fun to clean up.

StuntNun Wed 24-Jul-13 12:20:48

Is no-one else trying this blw lark? I don't make any purees or other food for J, he gets what we have only cut up if necessary. We're not total blw because we do spoonfeed some messy things like yoghurt or mashed potato, but he seems to be doing fine and can chew even though he doesn't have any teeth. We had lamb chops done on the barbecue at the weekend and he loved it.

Lily311 Wed 24-Jul-13 12:27:26

I don't do purees. She eats what I eat. Cut up or not. She loves chewing. I bought one jar 2 weeks ago when went to see a friend in Budapest and she spitted all out. I spoon fed her though but she also holds a spoon.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 24-Jul-13 12:41:11

O seems to be moving more to BLW by default as I am back at work and don't have time to do all the separate meals like I did for the others. So is not officially BLW as he isn't choosing, I am iykwim, it is mummy lead weaning!! He is going to get a cheesy potato skin to ignt!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 12:43:54

Depends what we're eating and what we've got in. This lunchtime DD1 and I ate poached eggs (runny) and ratatouille (which LO doesn't seem to like much yet). Hence the defrosting of the pot from the freezer (a chickeny pasta leftover mix which I did last week.)

The lamb casserole wasn't pureed but was made specially for her with leftover roast - not enough for a proper meal for the rest of us, but enough for a few pots of casserole for those times we're eating unsuitable stuff.
I don't puree much anymore, other than a quick blitz.

Full on BLW wasn't for me tbh. She still has the odd pot of ready made puree, but seems to have realised that what I make is better.

PurplePidjin Wed 24-Jul-13 12:45:47

Stunt we're mixed here. R likes to sook on bits of meat, and can adequately deal with a mouthful of sausage <oo er> despite no teefs! I tend to do finger food at lunch when he's most alert, or distract him with a chip/cucumber stick/whatever while i shovel in some mush smile

Mini rant, please?

Met a mate in the park this morning. Chatting about whether we'll have more - she has 2, 21 month gap. I say we don't want a small 18 month gap because apart from dp and his db, every close pair i know has fought badly and i don't think I'd know how to handle that.

Apparently she found that offensive? Seriously, what part of my decisions about my family planning are offensive to her? Or was i a twat?

MissMummy1 Wed 24-Jul-13 12:58:08

Umm, I'd maybe be slightly offended PP, but I'm an over-sensitive twat who finds criticism in everything blush. I'm sure if it wasn't meant offensively she will know that deep down.

Kyz I am dead impressed with your skillz!

Hope you're okay izzy if you're reading - your fb photos of J were uber cute last night, even if he was sleepdodging!

I swither daily between wanting another baby RIGHT NOW and never wanting another. Usually in line with my menstrual cycle...

Food, M loves solids. She pretty much eats what we eat now, with the odd EK pouch thrown in when we're out and about. She is a champion nommer, I actually had a giggle this morning watching her savage her toast. She was ratting it like a terrier! confused I am beaming with pride at how amazingly she is doing with food as this was a huge worry of mine.

Can someone slap me please? I'm finding myself getting quite upset that some of the babies in her baby sensory class who are the same age as her are crawling and she isn't. I know it is ridiculous, I know she will most likely walk first as she loves standing. But I can't help but feel wibbly about it. She is not interested at all. blush

Lily311 Wed 24-Jul-13 13:03:46

mm o neither. Not a chance. Not even standing. Yest a lady said in the playground that her son was a pro at crawling at 8 months. I said that O was a pro at ripping newspapers into pieces and eating sand. She looked at me like I was an idiot. I DON'T CARE.

Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 13:06:51

We have found that our diet just isn't suitable for p on a regular enough basis. No dairy, eggs, salt or wine in the food seems to have rendered most of our normal meals inappropriate. I must admit though that I prefer the control of spoon feeding. She does love feeding herself toast and whatnot but other things just end up on the floor.

kyz p has just refused every single part of her lunch - even rice cakes went on the floor.

Actually, last night when trying to get p to sleep she was clawing at her ear until it was all bloody. This morning there is orange gunk on the sheet and I am not sure but her ear canal looks swollen (??)

She is happy as larry, is drinking milk fine and doesn't seem in pain at all. Should I worry?

Her nails are very long at the moment as I cannot hold the wee beggar still long enough to get them chopped. So it may have been an itchy scratch she gave herself.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 13:06:52

<slaps mm1 with quiche fish> LO is one of the oldest in the quiche and isn't properly crawling. She'll get there. Enjoy the lack of mobility while it lasts.

pp I probably wouldn't be offended but I rarely am smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 13:09:26

pass when LO's eardrum perforated she felt much better than before. It hurts less once it's done. Could this have happened? If so could be worth getting her checked out?

ditsygem Wed 24-Jul-13 13:15:25

kyz aww I think its lovely that you are looking after the little bird. Do let us know how he gets on. I am also someone who will rescue anything. Infact just this morning I rushed to get F into his high chair and pegged it outside as I was sure there was a rabbit in my garden and I wanted to check if it was wild or a lost pet and if it was ok. Turned out to be the neighbours cat curled into a small ball sunbathing!

mm1 I really wouldn't worry about it. F has been crawling since 6.5 months but is no where near saying anything. not even making any noises other then squeals or grunts. I spend forever saying mamamama and dadadada at him as well as reading and talking to him but he is not interested in trying. they are all so different and will just do each thing at their own rate.

We do a bath each night here, but that is a new thing since the heat - before then it was twice a week or thereabouts. But now he has gone to 2 naps I find it is a good way to kill the last half hour of the day when he is getting a little grumpy as he loves the water! I use an organic hair wash occasionally but often just water, lots of toys and splashing!

PurplePidjin Wed 24-Jul-13 13:20:50

I really was careful in my phrasing, i totally respect that small gaps are preferable to most people!

Am now sofa-pinned for a second hour-long nap today. Where did all this sleep come from, Little Fellow?!

ChasingDaisy Wed 24-Jul-13 13:26:18

MM O isn't crawling yet either and M is one of the youngest quiche babies. If I recall correcty, she is a champion chatter though smile

I think

Food is hit and miss here still, but getting better. He eats what I eat as he refuses a spoon. We have a lot of wastage and mess but the amount he is eating does seem to be increasing.

Going to start looking for a nice, gentle, non-chemically shampoo for Oscar's crazy hair.

Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 13:28:49

mm M is one of the most alert babies I know. She is all there with her cough drops no doubt about it. Many babies never crawl so she might just skip that stage. Who knows but she is certainly bright as a button.

Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 13:33:05

PR what would the impact be on her if it had perforated? I had her at the doc last week and he checked but there was nothing. She was pretty whingy yesterday and did claw at her ear all day. Hmm.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 13:49:44

The impact would be risk of further infection and, erm, water in ears would not be good either. I took LO in on a Tuesday as she had been whiny and grumpy and needed paracetamol a lot. The doctor checked her temp and ears. That night she screamed for about ten minutes and then calmed down and the next morning she was covered in gunk.
The paed put her on antibiotics and drops as a precaution to prevent further infection. No long term issues afaik.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 13:52:03

The perforation helped her as gunk had been building up from inside and putting painful pressure on her eardrum. Once it was perforated the pressure and pain was released and she was like a new baby. It happened a week or so after a mild cold.

Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 13:56:43

Right. Appointment made for this afternoon. Receptionist was lovely and said that with it being an ear just to bring her in. The joys of having a doc on uni campus - weeks and weeks of the year they have at least 2000 fewer patients!

Oh, and I just lugged an armchair up the stairs including over the stair gate. Why? So I have somewhere to sit in P's room because my back is sore. Dumbass.

PP I have been pontificating your dilemma while pairing socks. I think much depends on exactly how it was said. I presume she is offended because the implication is that her children fight like cat and dog. Do they? People get daftly offended when your lifestyle choices don't match theirs because that implies that theirs is not The Best One.

I found this before getting married, before having p, I find it now with going back to work, whether we have another and so on.

Is she a really good pal? I would be inclined to apologise for causing offence as that hadn't been your intention and leave it at that.

Kyzordz Wed 24-Jul-13 13:59:38

lily bet they're loving being around o, kids that age seem to love babies I've found!

Aww pr there was an injured something or other that I tried to care for as a child but he only lasted a couple of hours, I don't know what he was but I called him George. He was just little and brown.

stunt I try to do a mix of spoon feeding and finger foods. Eric manages lumpy purée just fine and can feed himself. I think the reason I insist on trying to spoon feed him something each meal is because I like to know he's eating something. Problem now is because he's only having 3 bottles when he is then fussy with his food and barely eats I have found myself sobbing through his naps because I am worried he isn't getting enough. It boils down to the overbearing worry I have that if he doesn't get enough he will stop sleeping at night and I do not do well on no sleep. I don't want to be a miserable moody mum who can't deal with e in the day because he doesn't sleep at night. I am petrified he'll stop sleeping through and I won't be able to cope. I already feel shitty enough that usually one meal is a pouch of something and that I can't work out how to leave the house very often without it messing with his routine. Mum keeps saying if he is eating, and then stops, he clearly is/thinks he is full. If so, leave him till the next meal/bottle and if not enough was taken he will take more at his next offering. She said I can't stress he won't sleep until he stops sleeping and then I do something about it but for now I need to trust him etc. I just don't trust him to feed himself enough when offered just finger foods for a meal. I guess I could do finger food lunch as he still has a bottle after lunch, so he'll drink that if he doesn't eat enough. I know, I'm rubbish, still. Plus as pass says my diet just isn't suitable, wish it was, I just don't have time to make 'proper' dinners sometimes and I don't want him weaning onto stuff and chips, stuff on toast or eating as late as we do when I do do a 'proper' dinner.

I am trying to make stuff less puréed but it always seems to end up like purée unless I put mini pasta in it. I'm just wank all round and very woe is me right now, please ignore

I don't think I would be offended pp not if you worded it carefully. Well, I'd like to think I wouldn't but like mm I usually take things to be a criticism and end up feeling rubbish even if people didn't intend to make me feel that way.

E is rubbish at this crawling malarkey. Elyza seems to do a lot more than he did at this age and I'm trying to not be bothered, tbh I think he's just a lazy so and so, he'll get there with everything just perhaps a bit later than others do smile see, am trying to be positive I'm just rubbish

pass I'd get it checked out personally but it's cos I'd rather know nothing is wrong than assume it and have them be upset/in discomfort when I could prevent it

Don't worry ditsy will keep you updated

Ugh. Woe is fucking me today. Probably best I fuck off till tomorrow lol!

Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 14:00:38

Hmm. I had her in last week with what the doc thought was a sore throat. Off her food, whingy, a bit unsettled at night, snotty nose and so on. Yesterday I could hear her nose rattle as she breathed.

She has no temperate though and seems largely alright. I wouldn't say she was covered in junk but her sheet has two patches of orange yuck with red spots in. And her ear canal looks messy.

Thanks for the info - I get so concerned about being seen as a PFB parent. It won't be my usual GP this afternoon as he isn't in. Weirdly thankful of that actually!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 14:09:58

Sounds like it is infected then. Might not have perforated but that would explain why she's feeling better. They don't always give antibiotics but LO got them as she was very small back then. I think it was March.

DD1 brought in dandelion clocks without me noticing and is blowing them all over the house. Oh well, it's a shit tip anyway.

ditsygem Wed 24-Jul-13 15:00:07

kyz you sound so down on yourself - when all I can see is that you are a caring mum trying to get the right food and nutrition into your baby. I am exactly the same about lack of sleep at night, F is not sleeping through at the moment even though he used to, so although I think I should be dropping a bottle at the moment as havn't dropped any yet and he is getting less interested in 2 of them, I havn't done it as I don't want to give him another reason to wake in the night!
I get really irrational about night wakings and feel like its the end of the world - but then each day you carry on and realise your not as tired as you expected to be.
If he doesn't have enough one day and doesn't sleep through, then you will know. But I guess until that day comes just go with it and let him take what he wants too. It's obviously enough for him at the moment!

Thechick Wed 24-Jul-13 15:24:57

mm1 H is one of the oldest too, he's just over 9.5 months and he's not crawling, not puling himself up, still falls over when sitting. But he'll get there

Pikz Wed 24-Jul-13 16:21:00

Mm do not stress I really didn't expect L to crawl so early. My close friends baby crawled on his first birthday and walked at 14 months. I expected him to be closer to this.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 16:28:09

<finds brick wall and bangs head against it repeatedly>


Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 16:32:03

DD1? The pets?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 16:38:23

Work. <growls>

Jims Wed 24-Jul-13 16:46:28

Ds1 got antibiotics for a gunky ear as our new family dr said he always gives them as the ear drum has perforated. This was after i'd walked in saying I didn't think he needed them as he was reasonably cheery which was the advice I'd had from several other doctors!

We bath both every night as part of the routine. Hard workwhen ihave both to put to bed on myown though.

pr sorry yourwprk are being complete twats

MissMummy1 Wed 24-Jul-13 17:04:15

Thank you all, I know I am being ridiculous, but reading it here makes me feel much better!

Baths: M has a shower every morning with DP. She sometimes has a bath with me, but we've had to put a bit of a stop to bathtime as she thinks it is hilarious to throw herself forwards under the water. Weirdo. Sodding swimming lessons!

TheDetective Wed 24-Jul-13 17:09:53


I think I have cried a thousands tears today. My mum cried more grin.

Thanks for thinking of me smile

DS1 is home and covered in fecking pen from head to toe. His shirt was signed, but so was the rest of him... hmm. Going to be so very strange. I think mum might have relented on having O on saturdays, as she knows this is the only time she will see DS1, and him too really. So fingers crossed on that one wink.

Having a bad afternoon here. O woke at 5.45 this morning, and was up for the day. But he seemed generally cheery enough. I went off to school with DS1, leaving him here with DP.

The arrangement was for MIL to watch him for 15 minutes for us while I traveled back from school this morning. (DP was due in work and I knew I wouldn't quite make it in time). When I got there at 11.15 she had given him food confused. Brown seeded bread. Now, I have no idea if that had milk products in, but given his grumpiness, and the terrible time I've had getting him to sleep, plus the increase in vomiting, I will assume it did.

I told DP. Who told her. And she messaged me. So I had to be all polite about it, when all I really wanted to say is DON'T FUCKING FEED HIM ANYTHING UNLESS YOU KNOW 100% IT IS DAIRY FUCKING FREE!! I'm going to get DP to have an in depth discussion about it with her. Just so I can be reassured. Feel like it isn't my place as she isn't my mum, but she is going to be looking after him, so I need to know she won't feed him anything unless I've sent it, or she understands what to look for on packaging etc. I'll give her a 'safe' list of products, so it is easier for her. Just don't want to offend, but don't want O being in pain, and having a scream fest!

Oh, and similar reasons why we aren't doing BLW here, most of our foods contain dairy and soya. Plus salt. It is easier (although not when I am bloody making them!) to make foods for him.

He will now often all the time steal food off my plates. So I make sure I keep some veg to the side so he can have something suitable to nom on while we are eating. I give him his dinner earlier than us because I don't want to feed him while trying to eat my own. It's a PITA.

So really, it goes like this - breakfast is puree pretty much as it is porridge/weetabix with fruit. Occasionally just fruit. Lunch is hit and miss - if he has it it is usually a puree. Dinner will be puree plus finger foods when we have our dinner, ie. veg, rice cakes, chicken, fruit, etc. He only has a pudding after his evening meal in an effort to tank him up to sleep through the fecking night!. Pudding is fruit. Once I have given him jelly, sometimes he has organix sweetcorn rings as a pudding blush. He loves those, jams as many in his mouth as he can!

I've tried to make it a bit lumpier, but he doesn't seem to approve! He will eat finger foods, but lumps can fuck off??!

TheDetective Wed 24-Jul-13 17:12:07

O has been turning the taps on in the bath hmm. I'm just glad that our hot water runs fucking cold constantly. Would be near enough impossible to burn yourself! There is a technique that takes 30 fucking minutes to running our bath. hmm

Need to get a plumber out really, but seems it might not be a good idea just yet!!

pidj I wouldn't have been offended. smile

Pass are you back from docs yet??

TheDetective Wed 24-Jul-13 17:14:21

MM I think quite a few of the quiche babies aren't crawling at the moment. I think it is the minority crawling to be honest. Like someone I've forgotten blush said I have a friend who's little one was really active, but just didn't crawl til 12 mths, then walked pretty much straight after! They all do things their own sweet way!

And M is one of the youngest too.

O is not a talker. I try and encourage sounds. But he just screams at me. hmm

PennieLane Wed 24-Jul-13 17:20:07

Hello! I keep missing whole threads! Just back from Latitude, was awesome, v different with a baby (though that is a v family friendly festival!) but not in a negative way. In fact, in many ways I enjoyed it more.

M sleeps through 8-8. We got there! god, should read those early threads to remember how impossible it seemed to us all (apols if not there yet, but it will happen!) M Is cruising (such odd word) everywhere manically and has corresponding injuries from falling onto things when gap between furniture is too big!)She is so energetic compared to every other baby I've met. At the festival all the babies were sitting happily but she had to be crawling around the field. She'll be so happy when she can walk independently (as will my back!) so I hope it clicks soon.

Hope you are all well! Have tried to keep up. Lots of broody talk grin how fun!

We're going to Hong Kong for four months till end of my mat leave for DHs work (we were considering longer but decided against it but four months is ok). YW any tips? We're off on 1st Sept.

off to read thread properly

MsJupiterJones Wed 24-Jul-13 17:26:15

MM L is 2 days shy of 9 months and has just started moving around, through a combination of rolling, backwards crawling and general flinging about. No proper crawling yet. He only learnt to roll back to front last week. I forget how old M is but at least a few weeks younger iirc?

Stunt we are fully BLW. Well sometimes I help L hold stuff if it's slippery but it's still his choice. He has same food as us with some adaptations for CMPI and salt levels, plus my famous quiches!

PennieLane Wed 24-Jul-13 17:27:48

We're doing BLW, she won't take a spoon. That means a bath every night after dinner as still so messy.

mm I wouldn't worry about crawling, each do their own. My M is advanced physically, but is yet to babble or say anything at all. I think it's one 'skill' at a time.

YellowWellies Wed 24-Jul-13 17:30:19

MM Jonas is 8 months adjusted 9 months actual and is only just starting to crawl (backwards at present!) - he's been focussing on chatting and fine motor skills until this point and as a prem and from a long line of dyspraxics I didn't expect him to crawl early (my sisters two were 10 and 11 months - and her wee prem crawled before her big fat brother!) . Its only the last fortnight he's been interested in floor time remote controls.The speed with which they do things is nothing to worry about at this stage.

Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 17:32:00

Just back in. Apparently her ears are gunky but not infected. No temperature and seems generally fine.

YellowWellies Wed 24-Jul-13 17:36:09

Jonas does seem advanced at ranting though - I changed his nappy when he was overtired and he full on lectured me. My sister was pissing herself. He was so cross and using proper ranty verbalisation! <proud> grin

Pennie have lots of tips. Remind me to PM you. Have loads of HK albums on my FB page if you want to nosy - there's so much to see and do. Am totally envy. wink Go and eat dim sum in Stanley for me smile

Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 17:48:57

Would you all like to know what P's favourite toy is at the moment?

It's a sample bottle. From when I was pregnant. Unused I should add. She found it in my handbag and has been fondly nomming it ever since.

Let's just hope she doesn't get to attached we need to take it out with us!

StuntNun Wed 24-Jul-13 18:11:17

I'm so fucking cross with DH right now. J has been, shall we say, difficult for the last two days and the general drooling and instant magic Calpol cure makes me suspect that first tooth is on its way out at last. But he's unputdownable and pretty hard work so I was waiting for DH to come home so that one of us could mind J while the other got dinner made. Anyway the arsehole only went and scheduled a fucking guitar lesson when he got home from work! With a random ten-year-old girl who's gran lives round the corner from us. He's not a guitar teacher, he's not even particularly good and no money has changed hands. Big fat waste of time. If I had spare time I'd be sorting my car insurance or deferring my student loan or, I don't know, making dinner for my family. Not messing about giving lessons. Twat.

PurplePidjin Wed 24-Jul-13 18:22:12

Bought this for R, very funny!! PR will approve wink

The apparently offended friend is a passing acquaintance and I'm not bothered really, just find it odd that my choice not to have a 16-18 month gap is seen as a criticism of her 21 month gap hmm she is a tad on the eccentric side...

TheDetective Wed 24-Jul-13 18:26:05

George Alexander Louis. Lovely smile

Pikz Wed 24-Jul-13 18:31:50

I like the name a lot!

ChasingDaisy Wed 24-Jul-13 18:38:18

Ahem, if I can refer to an earlier post, I predicted a boy called George grin ignores fact it is O's cousins name so XSIL will be very smug

Lily311 Wed 24-Jul-13 18:40:41

Very nice indeed. Alexander was on my short list for a boy (well, actually the only name on it hence I decided O needed to be a girl I had 2 names on the girls list.

Pikz Wed 24-Jul-13 18:51:51

L just laughed so much he snorted!!

MissMummy1 Wed 24-Jul-13 19:39:25

George is was on our next baby's name list. That will be a no now then. sad

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Wed 24-Jul-13 19:40:10

Benn on the go at work for over 12 hours, am fucking manic and a bit out of my depth and lacking in support because my boss is on hols (and this always happens) and my workshy, technically senior but otherwise a bit hopeless colleague is not helping me and actually managed to fall asleep at his desk today angry angry angry [RAGE]

Oh, and S has antibiotics AGAIN for his fucking cough, and DH has fucking gout sad

And DH the fucking baby whisperer put them both to bed like it was an actual piece of PISS and text me to say, why do I make out like solo bedtime is hard work? angry

And I will go home to sleeping babies (who I barely saw this morning) and do some more work. And come in early tomorrow, to do more work. angry

And in return for all this work I'm churning out, I will create more work for myself, and then when I try and raise a bill, get told my time costs are outrageous. angry

Thank FUCK it is sweary Wednesday. Fuck, fuck, arse, bollox and cuntsticks.

Just came on to vent. Back to, um, I don't know, maybe - work. angry sad

Will check in with the thread and read it properly at some stage. Hope everyone's day has been better than mine grin

StuntNun Wed 24-Jul-13 19:41:45

MM my brother's wife is due in November and was going to call his sprog George after our grandfather. My dad and my brother both have George as a middle name so I reckon he's more entitled to use it than the royal family, after all they've had loads of Georges already <petulant stamp of the foot>

YellowWellies Wed 24-Jul-13 19:52:53

George just reminds me of the idiot Prince Regent from Blackadder.... come to think of it?! I like George for a girl but not a boy.

Jonas just ranted at his Dad too - DH and I were creased up. Poor little man is tired and grouchy but oh so funny when he's ranting 'a dab ba ga wa ba ddddd ewoooo bbbbb bah' and gesticulating wildly grin

He only had 2x 45 min naps in the pushchair as we were out and about - but the days he had 2x long cot naps I saw him at midnight and I'd rather he slept thru than napped for so long. I think the ideal for us is 1 cot nap and 1 pushchair nap a day.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 24-Jul-13 20:18:44

Total fucking nightmare at bedtime today. Although it's less hot, it feels so much more humid. Poor F had a sweaty head sad and it took a good 45 minutes to settle her. Plus tooth number 3 is now visible, and putting her off feeding and making reflux worse. Fun all round then, really.

Pass glad P doesn't have an infection.

PR cunts.

Madam ((hugs))

Det hope the waterproof mascara held up!

No crawling here - sometimes I get a bit [worried] about it, especially today as there is a 5.5 month old at baby group who is just about to crawl, and a 4 month old who is merrily rolling all over the place. But then I look at F, who is puzzling over the intricacies of something the chair leg and am grateful I don't have to babyproof just yet, and she stays where I put her!

Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 20:33:01


Evilwater Wed 24-Jul-13 20:37:50

madam sorry to read about your work problems.
pass glad to read your LO are getting sorted out.
det your in laws are a bit thick!
chasing don't worry about the crawling, n is not wavering or talking yet.

n is having thick ready break or purred fruit for breakfast with 7oz of milk. Then my food for lunch, ie fish fingers chips peas, sometimes with 7oz of milk. Evening meal is a stage 2 meal from EK, with a dessert. He has snacks throughout the day, usally fruit, cheese or biscuts.

I'm so ashamed of N today! sad sad
Yes he put his fingering the eye of another child, not just any child but a disabled one sad yep that kid with the special helmet, and did that child scream. blush sad


StuntNun Wed 24-Jul-13 20:38:15

Quiche fish slap required here please. I completely forgot that J's teething (big ropes of saliva like an overexercised Labrador) would have made his reflux worse. No wonder my iggle man has been having a rubbish couple of days with loads of vomming and back arching.

Kyzordz Wed 24-Jul-13 20:44:42

Evening all. Just as I boot the laptop up E is awake. I don't know what's up with him, he's barely eaten today and been really whingy, and not himself. No obvious signs of anything though that i've spotted so far anyway other than the fact he hasn't wanted to eat much.

ditsy everyone will tell you it's in my nature to be down on myself, it's just how I am sad generally because i'm busy messing things up or panicking i've messed things up. Like now, now i'm wondering what is wrong with my normally well sleeping happy chappy. I've broken him somehow, it must be something i've done but bugger knows what!

Grr det that would annoy me. I mean you're not even being a fussy parent and saying 'no xyz' just because, but he actually shouldn't have them for medical reasons. Grrr! E was the same with lumps for a bit, he eats finger foods fine but wouldn't eat lumpy puree. Now (except today and yesterday) he eats lumps just fine, I think he just had to get used to it.

hey pennie! That sounds fab! Bet you're looking forward to Hong Kong too!

I honestly did like the sound of BLW I just couldn't bring myself to do it completely. I like to think I give e the option, though, but was thinking of making either breakfast or lunch just finger food. He has a bottle before breakfast and a bottle after lunch so if he didn't eat much i might be more inclined not to worry about his intake iyswim?

We have had a breakthrough with crawling today and he has managed arms and legs for five 'steps'! He is so lazy and this felt a real achievement smile Good thing to come out of a thoroughly miserable day!

Ernest seems to be doing well smile I do worry that he's not quite right but it's hard to tell because baby birds are pretty wibbly wobbly anyway. He is still very hungry and eating and drinking with gusto and toiletting all over me like a trooper so i'm sure he is ok, or at least I hope so. He definitely likes being warm so the hot water bottle is renewed every 3-4 hours.

oooh stunt i hope you told dp off! I hope J is better soon too with his teething, poor mite

I like the name too, sounds lovely smile I've always liked the name George but prefer less used names so wouldn't use it anyway, but it is a lovely one smile One of my cats is called Louis smile

Oh madame that sounds like a fuckbuggering amount of work to be done! I hate it when dp swoops in like some sort of genius too with e. Why is it they manage to do that? fuckers. Hope tomorrow is better

pass glad p doesn't have an infection, has she settled well tonight?

bplp doesn't sound like much fun! E has been a handful too esp where feeding is concerned but I don't think he even has teething as an excuse. Hot weather will have to be his reason though i think he's just being awkward

E is back asleep now, didn't go into him and he went back off.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 20:49:58

pass good news re the ear smile

gazelle sorry you've had a shitty day wine

kyz <fish slap>

stunt <fish slap>

pennie envy

Sweaty and miserable here. Een thou we had more storms and lots of rain I can't get the house cool. I stink.

<stumbles sleepily in to the Fred>

I really need to do something about bed times and nap times. I am utterly exhausted. 6pm we started bedtime, she's been asleep 20 bloody minutes and ended up feeding to sleep in the end. sad
We're going camping next week so there's much point doing too much in case that knackers it up again but I need to break the feeding to sleep and late nights.

Sorry I haven't caught up properly, will do when I can when I'm laid wide awake at midnight no doubt

<stumbles back out and to bed>

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 24-Jul-13 21:10:43

kyz I'm with your mum on that one. There isn't anything you can do about E's sleep until if he starts waking up in the night and chances are he won't. DD1 was fully BLweaned and never woke in the night due to hunger. You have to learn to trust E. You cannot force feed babies, believe me I try reguarly with my E but it just won't work. You're doing marvellously. E is a fantastic height and weight, you really don't need to worry about him not getting enough.

yw I'm with you on that one. First nap in the cot and second nap out and about is what works best for us. Whether or not she actually gets that depends on what we are doing but that's my ideal napping routine.

madame Ouch! What a day.

pass Glad sweet little P is ok. The pee pot made me smile. E reguarly plays with her syringes and will often by pass toys to get to them.

bplp Sorry you had a shit bedtime. Hope F's sleeping peacefully now.

mm No crawling here too. She shuffles backwards and rolls about but no actual crawling. And long may that continue. Enjoy the lack of movement whilst you can. It won't be long before she's toddling everywhere and you'll be wanting these days back.

So we had our dietician appointment today. It's been decided that E will go onto a high calorie milk (can't remember what it's called) but we will get it on prescription. Once we get that (probably on Monday) the tube will then come out for 2 weeks. After the 2 week trial period we have another review to see how she is getting on and we will take it from there. So a positive step. She hasn't put on any weight for a month though so was a bit gutted about that but she has grown in length and is still on the 9th centile (just) so they were'nt too concerned about that. The main thing they were concerned about is making sure she drinks enough water. I was focusing so much on the milk that I forgot about that. Apparentley at this age they should be having around 800ml of water a day which seems a lot to me. It does take into a/c breast milk and water from foods like melon, cumcumber etc which helps I guess. So I've been told to watch for signs of dehydration and to call the dietician if I have any concerns but if I'm happy the tube can stay out for the full 2 weeks. So a hesitant woop from me!

Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 21:18:17

Thanks peeps.

P nommed her bed bottle (with a full Peter rabbit break in the middle) and dozed off while having her face stroked. Went down at 7pm and not a peep since - watch me jinx it!

Are you home yet madam? That sounds thoroughly unpleasant. And to be frank I think your Dh was a bit mean. I hope you are home eating dinner prepared by Dh seeing as he had such an easy bedtime!

P is currently sporting horn like bruises on her forehead and one massive one on the back of her head. I thought they were supposed to be learning cause and effect - I bash the ball, the ball goes boing. So why not "I pull myself up on the sharp edged small table, it falls over and I bash my head on it. Hard. Better not to that again!"?

My dad is Alexander and I love it. We were going to use it as a middle name for a boy. Sister got there first though and our deal was first come, first dibs! We also wanted to use George but my SIL had a cat called George who got squashed. Felt a bit wrong.

Passmethecrisps Wed 24-Jul-13 21:22:57

800ml? Sounds loads eliza! Glad things are progressing though. P also loves hr syringes and will nom on them for ages. By the way, has that always been your name?

Sometimes I only read the first part of the name and I don't realise there is more

ChasingDaisy Wed 24-Jul-13 21:26:38

Have read thread. Twice. But not really been able to remember much of what has been said or what I wanted to say. I am struggling in the evenings at the moment. Lonely and sad.

How are the other Operation Naps going? YW O usually has naps 1 and 3 at home and nap 2 out and about in the pram/car seat. Nap wise, we had an improvement on yesterday. I realised that the common denominator in shit naps/bedtime is the bloody heat. When it is so hot in the bedroom that I am sweating, we have a hard time of it. Anyway, today being cooler we had nap 1 in cot, which I actually had to wake him for as we were off out and nap 2 in the pram as he was shattered from soft play. Nap 3 was better than yesterday. Went down with no transfer fails, woke up after 30mins so I went in, no eye contact or talking, picked him up and walked him back to sleep which took 5 mins and he then slept another 35 mins. Good bedtime here as well. Must remember that this is only day 2 of him napping in the cot after him napping on me for 8 months so I can't expect miracles.

I genuinely feel that the reason it seems to be working now is that he is just ready for it. I have tried before and it hasn't worked. I think he needed the comfort of sleeping on me. I have always tried to do things at O's pace and it seems to have worked for us so far.

Fuck, I've babbled. All about me. I lose the ability to think clearly come the evening for some reason. Too much time to think I guess and to miss having someone to share my nights with. Desperate for a cuddle.

Evilwater Wed 24-Jul-13 21:28:35

Chasing ((hugs))


BigPigLittlePig Wed 24-Jul-13 21:33:16

I bet Kate Middleton never has to stay up making purees.

Kyzordz Wed 24-Jul-13 21:34:06

Eliza I know deep down I need to just go with it, he's never done wrong yet and I should stop stressing. I always feel an instant wave of guilt after i've posted, I have fuck all to moan about and I spend so long moaning and some of you have so much to deal with and are so supportive. Thankyou. It sounds like the dietician appt was really quite positive! So she hasn't gained weight BUT they weren't concerned and she's going on a high calorie milk which should hopefully help smile And 2 weeks without the tube, woohoo! Hopefully she'll have gained a bit of weight when she has her next review but it's a good sign she's growing despite no gain isn't it :D That sounds an awful lot of water?!?! E can't possibly have anywhere near that much, I take it formula won't count? He doesn't have any breast milk and drinks maybe 4-5oz Juice per day, so thats what, 150ml? Eek!

Pass E keeps whacking his head trying to crawl. Oddly if he brushes by something he squeals like a stuck pig and cries at me, but if he proper whacks his head/has a bruise/makes me go ouch and wait for screaming he just looks at me. Weirdo!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 21:36:47

800ml including milk?

chasing there is an expression in French: mieux vaut etre seul que mal accompagne : it's better to be alone than badly accompanied. The loneliness will go you know as your confidence grows.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 21:37:56

pig I think Pippa's the cooking expert in that family. Maybe she'll bring out a puree book in a few months.

Kyzordz Wed 24-Jul-13 21:38:14

Oh Chasing i'm sorry you're feeling lonely sad

If you're ever online i'm often lonely in the evenings as dp works nights, so if you ever fancy a chat i'm here

I think you're making great progress with o's naps smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 24-Jul-13 21:38:55

mm remember I keep saying they are all different. But don't worry she won't get to university to yet crawling!grin they all get there in the end, but completely understand you want her to be doing things the same as others. DS1 was born 2 days later than his cousin and they have developed at completely different rates, it is really interesting to watch, and I have a friend who has twins and, obviously, brought them up the same, and the have both hit milestones at completely different times. Anecdotes over.

Rant rant rant removal men who didn't put the cotbed together properly last September when I specifically asked the, to pay attention to it and toddlers who think that a cotbed is the place to do gymnastics.

Rant rant rant, who opened the to toblerone which tempted me to eat loads when I have already gained 4 lbs in the last couple of weeks.

I have my sterilisation tomorrow < runs off and hides>

Have discovered one of the mums at nursery works in the post op care and will be the one to wake me up. Have been promised VIP treatment hmm

Am looking forward to a couple of days in bed making it for allot is worth. wink

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 24-Jul-13 21:41:25

<passes chasing and stunt a mini toblerone>

Anyone else need chocolate therapy?


BigPigLittlePig Wed 24-Jul-13 21:43:11

Good luck for tomorrow sophia.

Eliza 800mls!? There is no way, no way at all, that F gets that. Milk or no milk. Poor mite is having a battle with her bowels actually, as she's eating a lot more, especially on nursery days, when she has 5 meals a day...but not much water, despite trying. Watch out when the floodgates open...

Off to bed now. It's my birthday in the morning smile - first one as a mummy.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 24-Jul-13 21:43:43

Only if you have dairy and soya free chocolate therapy, sadly.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 24-Jul-13 21:44:38

Oh and I think my babyis the only baby who hates white noise. You know he has been struggling to get to sleep the last few days, i thoughts teeth, cold, heat etc etc. tonight I tried turning the air con off at 8:30 when he was still whining. Pretty much straight to sleep. confused

YellowWellies Wed 24-Jul-13 21:46:26

Chasing I think you're spot on - you can try to force change on babies but if they're not ready it's like trying to push string uphill. Personally I can't do stuff which makes him unhappy just because its convenient to me hence I can't do Gina Ford (don't get me wrong I'll happily tell him off and discipline him when he's misbehaving as a toddler I'm not a pushover but at the moment he is wee and just not capable of being deliberately 'naughty') I think your gentle and generous parenting of O is a wonderful inspiration smile and you'll have a closeness that those who impose their will on their children will never know.

Operation nap in cot has been smile Jonas is definitely happy to nap in the cot now and sleeps deeper and longer in there but if he has too much daytime sleep his nighttime sleep suffers. Unless the regression is here shock shock <runs off to bolt the door>.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 24-Jul-13 21:46:29

Actually I do have some of the aforementioned chocolate bp shaped like a lollipop! ( we have been soy intolerant since back in the day with DD1 always have a stash here, feel free to pop in )

Kyzordz Wed 24-Jul-13 21:51:10

I am indulging in chocolate therapy. I actually look pregnant again. Has it stopped me? Has it bollocks. I am a fat fucker. There, i said it :P

Hope it goes well tomorrow sophia smile

sounds like your napping op is going well too yw good stuff smile

Jims Wed 24-Jul-13 21:52:05

chasing Operation Nap here bit of a disaster today (Day 4). Days 2 and 3 much better with long post-lunchtime sleeps with a bit of resettling required. Today he was up early and I had DS1 at home too. Was desperately trying to get home from soft play with him awake to do lunch before his nap, which I just about did but lunch was fairly hopeless as he didn't eat much and then was overtired when he eventually went down. He had 1 hr 20 with a resettle but refused anymore. So that meant he had a short nap at 4 too - but in recent past experience, this had led to the early mornings. Oh well. Sounds like your day was more successful - long may it continue!

Eliza - Yay for the tube being out. Hope it goes well over the next couple of weeks.

On the babies moving subject, the all babies being different thing is definitely going on here. DS1 walked incredibly early at 9 months, with the merest hint of a crawl after he'd already started walking. But he couldn't stand still until a fair few weeks later so he had to walk between things or we had to pick him up when he fell over for the fifty-millionth time. F is crawling, cruising and now starting to stand on his own at 8.5 months which is a far more sensible way of doing things and will hopefully avoid the collection of dents in head that DS1 acquired, only one for which we went to A&E! And I speak literally, not metaphorically, he had one in his forehead for several years until it eventually grew out, from crashing into the bay window corner wall.

They both seem to take after their Dad who walked very early and has not been able to sit still since.

Jims Wed 24-Jul-13 21:57:05

Apologies if that seemed boastful, as a result of early walking, I am not expecting early talking.

ChasingDaisy Wed 24-Jul-13 21:58:52

O might manage about 8mls of water a day hmm

Thanks everyone. Couldn't cope without you all. Genuinely.

Thanks Sophia but I've just eaten a whole bag of Thorntons Vanilla truffles so feeling very envy . Fuck knows why I am still losing weight. At a ridiculously low weight now. 6lb 11 FFS.

Thanks YW, just feels natural. He has always been a bit slower with eating, he only had tiny milk feeds for a long time. Finger foods is definitely what he prefers and he is keeping to his centiles so I am not too worried about how much he actually eats. My stepmum is desparate for O to crawl/walk/talk and keeps trying to 'help' him by moving his arms and legs hmm I just want to let him figure it out for himself. Imagine how chuffed he will be when it finally clicks!

I think he is more than ready for cot sleeping, he seems positively relieved in fact. Hot weather is probably helping with that. I crept into his room earlier when he was asleep and he lifted his head to look at me, huffed and turned away from me grin

kyz you sound completely lovely. You can tell there isn't a bad bone in your body. I would love to meet you one day smile

And as if you all didn't know already, PR is competely wonderful and has been helping me enormously these past few weeks despite having so much shit to deal with herself thanks

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 24-Jul-13 22:11:58

Yes pass Thats has always been my name.

Hehe I don't want to get everyone fretting about water intake. Perhaps it did include formula too. In fact thinking about it, it must do. Either way, don't all get your knickers in a twist smile

Yes please sophia I love toblerone. I've been fancing a bit of choccie tonight, was moaning to DH earlier that we didn't have any.

bplp Huge big happy birthday wishes for tomorrow x

ChasingDaisy Wed 24-Jul-13 22:13:20

<chucks eliza my toblerone>

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 22:13:49


Good luck for tomorrow Sophia have say I could do with a couple of days bedredt grin

pig I hope you have a great birthday tomorrow flowers

where's vq today?

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 24-Jul-13 22:23:18

Found this:
From 6 to 12 months, babies do not need much water but introducing some in a bottle or sippy cup can help them get used to the taste (or lack thereof) and consistency of the liquid. Limiting water to about 2 to 4 ounces per day is the typical recommendation as babies make the transition from an all-liquid diet to one involving solids, although some babies may benefit from closer to 6 to 8 ounces per day (such as in the case of constipation or extremely hot and humid weather).

So in short she must have been takling about total volume of liquid inc milk, food etc which obviously we have no way of measuring. Panic over!

Ah thanks chasing Yum!

ChasingDaisy Wed 24-Jul-13 22:34:50

That sounds much more sensible Eliza! My HV said that the 'desired' milk intake for this age is 550-700mls a day, so including water and watery foods that sounds about right to me.

Oscar tends to have lunch at 1 and dinner at 5 and had now only started taking an ounce or two from his 4pm bottle so it looks like that will be the first one to be dropped.

Kyzordz Wed 24-Jul-13 22:40:00

jims i'm quite happy for e to stay as a non crawler/walker, he's difficult enough to keep an eye on e as it is and he just rolls and shuffles and commando crawls about the place!

chasing and you seem like a lovely person, you really do. You and O clearly have a very strong bond and he's lucky to have you as his mummy. I would love to meet you too and you're not too far from me, I'm sure we can arrange something. I am incredibly shy until I know someone, and then I am loud and I speak my mind and I have a dirty, dirty vocabulary with lots of swearing in it :P

ahh eliza that makes sense!

I hope vq is ok, vq where are youuhooo?

MissMummy1 Wed 24-Jul-13 22:44:11

New carseat rules, urgh

You are so right Sophia - M is doing lots of things that those uber-competitive mums aren't. like not sleeping Good luck tomorrow xo

Bedtime has been a total nightmare tonight, involving a trip in the car. where I didn't convince myself the car was about to explode when stuck in traffic - came home with a hysterical baby and within 2 minutes (literally) DP had her asleep. So madame I know just how frustrated you must be feeling! Bollocks to work ishoos too sad

Oh and I went with Sainsbury's with my car insurance in the end. My old insurance company actually asked me if I "would consider paying £300 extra because they have been so good to me over 4 years" shock wtf?! Anyway, my point was does anyone else find dealing with these sort of phonecalls with a baby neigh-on-impossible?

Everything sounds really positive wrt the tube eliza - fc this is the end of it!

MissMummy1 Wed 24-Jul-13 22:45:18

mums' babies

ChasingDaisy Wed 24-Jul-13 22:49:04

MM I have had to make numerous phone calls in the past few weeks and more than one has ended with me saying "I'm sorry, I've got to go and attend to that screaming baby you can hear in the background" hmm

YellowWellies Wed 24-Jul-13 23:38:32

Third night on the trot with a near midnight feed which he's not needed or wanted in months - not to do with extended napping then given I only let him have short pushchair naps today. hmm confused Teeth, growth spurt or sleep regression? Meh envy or just for shits and giggles smile Now when he feeds he strokes my face awww xx

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Thu 25-Jul-13 07:03:52

pass he wasn't being mean, he was joking. And he did use the time between DC sleeping and me coming home to Hoover, cook, clean the kitchen and do the washing. So that did improve my day a bit. As did waking up to S singing in the cot. Ordinarily the 5am wake up would be irritating, but today it was helpful as I needed to be up early.

chasing big squeeze.

eliza that does sound an awful lot if it isn't inclusive of water in food/formula.

Have read but have forgotten what I was going to say. I also gave self therapy with food y'day. Bad. But so good. grin

StuntNun Thu 25-Jul-13 07:13:31

Sleep? Don't talk to me about sleep. I have no idea how DH and I are going to get through today. confused J wasn't actually too bad; I suspect but can't quite remember that he was up three times. But DS1 was up three times as well with a tummy ache. DH was really worried to the point of wanting to take him up to A&E. I suspect a more prosaic cause, the idiot was wearing these pyjamas that my mum bought him that were far too big. I put them at the back of his pyjama drawer but he dug them out and wore them because he 'doesn't like' any of his other pyjamas anymore wtaf? Anyway the waistband is so big that they won't stay up at all and I suspect it was all the loose material pressing into his stomach that caused the pain. You know how sore it can be when you wear a bra that doesn't fit properly? I think it was something akin to that. Anyway we'll see how he is when he wakes up this morning.

Passmethecrisps Thu 25-Jul-13 07:32:55

I see madam! I was all bosom hoiky on your behalf. I am glad things were better later.

P is sitting on the floor ear scratching. Aargh.

Weird yw. Is it a long feed? Thirsty?

All for the love of new pyjamas, eh stunt! Hopefully that 's all it was. Is he particularly prone to clothing sensitivities? I have taught few children with ASD and I know a couple who would get terribly upset about clothing being wrong.

The cot operations sound like they are going well. I have been trying to get P to sleep without rocking and <touches wood> it is going relatively well. I may just be replacing one crutch with another but sitting in an armchair reading stories followed by face stroking is considerably more pleasant and manageable than up to half n hour rocking. I figure that making the next stage being in the cot will be easier. Stories and face stroking in the cot rather than on me I me.

QQ re afternoon naps. P now goes down at approximately 1pm after her lunch. I would like her to sleep 1.5 hours or even 2. Unfortunately she seems to be struggling to sleep more than 45 minutes. After this nap she refuses to sleep again until bedtime meaning a pretty overtired P. yesterday I cuddled her in for 5 minutes when she woke after half an hour but she only managed another 15 minutes. She did go down fine last night but she was such a grump we ended up just going out a wee drive to give us both some peace.

YellowWellies Thu 25-Jul-13 07:44:56

Yawn well he managed 11.45 til 7.30 so I guess he needed the feed - though it seems more comfort sooking....

Pass we had that problem I ended up moving his nap til 3ish so that if it all goes pear shaped and he only gets 45 minutes - bedtime isn't totes emosh.

He is sat on the bed making v loud poo straining noises grin

Evilwater Thu 25-Jul-13 07:52:20

Sorry to read of all the non sleepers, stunt, pass
eliza congrats on the having the tube out, N drinks no where near that amount of water. Milk yes, he has about 1L a day, and I offer water all the time.


Lily311 Thu 25-Jul-13 07:59:53

O and the girls slept all night. They are leaving today, hope the grumpiness won't return.

pass O always sleeps longer if I put her down at 12. She has a 2 hour nap but if I put her at 1 than its 45 min. Not sure why.

eliza great news re tube.

Pikz Thu 25-Jul-13 08:07:58

Eliza great news re tube

Madam hope today is better

Sophia good luck today

PR praying to the work gods for you

Stunt and others sorry to hear of shite nights.

L woke at 5.45, I gave him a bottle and we got up at 7. Have just cleared up the most huge poo ever.

Operation nap in cot isn't going too bad but after initial success we are back to 45 minute naps again hmm am just about to start on operation milk cut down as he is drinking and eating a hell of an amount and I think it affects the napping.

PurplePidjin Thu 25-Jul-13 08:09:30

I had to be blunt with the Anthony Nolan bloke who rang because the baby was screaming. But he was waffling away and repeating himself, it was tea time and the only wanted cash not marrow! Although i had to ask 3 times to find out even that hmm

Jims Thu 25-Jul-13 08:19:19

<Passes stunt some matchsticks and a cuppa>

F has never slept through. We dropped the dream feed when he wouldn't go to sleep afterwards which seemed a bit pointless. Last night was 11.15, 4.30 and up at 5.30. Am hanging on for first nap as if he has three, that seems to be when he gets up before 6. I'm trying approximate gina ford times. When it works, he's v cheery so i'm going to keep persisting for a bit.

He's currently occupied with one of these:


He's played with it loads already. I got one from ebay for £10 for ds1 and it has been brilliant. First toy any visiting child heads for too. Really struggled to find one new for my nephew's 1st birthday recently so if anyone sees one, i'd highly recommend snapping it up!!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Jul-13 08:24:04


DD1 wouldn't sleep til midnight. So I have decided to let her sleep this morning and skip her nap later on. LO was up at 2 thirsty and then decided 6am was a good time to start the day. Went back for a nap at half 8 so I did the ironing shock

I need a lottery win. DH is really unhappy in his job at the moment sad

horseylady Thu 25-Jul-13 08:59:58

Teething and reflux hell here!!

Hugs to lots of you. I'm back to work next week and have had less sleep this last week than when he was a newborn. Or it feels like it. Actually went to the gp yesterday. Anyway. He'll be fine.

mm of our group of Nct babies, two are crawling. Two still can't sit unaided. They are older than m. Chill. What does it matter if they're first or last to do something? Dh and my dsis never crawled. My sister never rolled. She just sat and looked. Then at 11 months old got up and walked the length of room. They do things when they're ready to do them. Crawling isn't classed as a developmental stage now.

Right need to see if he's woken up yet. Can't possibly sleep for longer than 20 minutes between midnight and 7 but can sleep for an hour at 8??!! Bless him!!

TheDetective Thu 25-Jul-13 09:32:06

I reeeeeeeeeally need a poo. I am so bunged up. I've had tummy pains all week, and feeling sick. Can't eat much because it makes me feel like shit. But because I'm not eating enough, it also makes me feel like shit.

Feel like I'm going round in a circle.

Currently trying to work out how to get a glycerin suppository in when O goes the fuck asleep with out gel or gloves. hmm

I don't fancy putting it in as it is grin.

Gotta do it though, it's making me feel awful!

Sorry. TMI!!! grin

TheDetective Thu 25-Jul-13 09:36:25

I also have a miracle to report here. A real miracle!

O woke last night. It must have been 4ish as it was still dark but just a tinge of light around the curtains. O cried, and as usual I woke at the very first noise.

And so did DP shock shock shock shock shock shock shock shock shock shock shock shock. And even more shock was the fact he just sat up, and got out of bed, and went to sort O. shock

He has NEVER done this. I have to wake him and it can take 20 minutes and about 10-15 wake ups to get him up. And he crashes out of bed in a god awful mood.

Yet last night he woke the second O did, and got up without me asking, or any fuss??! What the actual fuck? Cunt. He can fucking well do it more often.

Pikz Thu 25-Jul-13 09:50:48

Naps are clearly for losers

Evilwater Thu 25-Jul-13 09:51:39

Well done det p!

n also pretty much slept through!!! Hurry!!!! grin
Now for the bad news, there is undigested peas in his nappy, should I be worried?


ValiumQueen Thu 25-Jul-13 10:05:40

Hi. Only just caught up.

Hugs to all with non sleeping babies, twattish husbands and/or work problems.

I am feeling so much better, I too was worried I was going a bit manic, but I am not.

Me and DD1 went on a play date yesterday which was great fun as two of the kids had a full on scrap and then the mums had a verbal scrap. Oops. There were 4 kids and 4 mums, all the others were only children, all the same age. I was very proud of DD and my parenting grin

I also did all the driving yesterday as DH was off, so I left him with J and did all the errands, shopping etc. No anxiety. I feel I can consider work now smilebut will give myself a few more weeks.

J is a gem. A bit refluxy but manageable. Never in bed before 10 but has slept until 7 or so for the last few nights. He is also getting a bit more enthusiastic about food, although still not eating a great deal. He is still not sitting for long, and is crap at crawling, but can roll for Scotland and is a real chatterbox.

A quiet day planned today, doing washing and housework. DH is off for two weeks from Saturday so I plan to be out and about more. Maybe even a haggis muncher event brew thanks smile

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Jul-13 10:11:53

Don't worry evil it's normal for peas to go straight through. Same with sweetcorn.

And tomato skin kind of rolls itself up into inch long sticks.

I know too much about poo blush

Kyzordz Thu 25-Jul-13 10:26:25

Morning! E didn't wake up till half 7 so he didn't starve himself yesterday it seems!

yw hope his night wakings stop as quick as they started! Is he taking a good feed?

Eek stunt hope ds1 is ok this morning!

Sounds like the non-rocking is going well pass I am pleased I don't need to rock e at his weight/size

I know it sounds silly but have you tried putting her down earlier? E goes for a nap 2-4:30. I'd prefer he woke at 4 and ate at about 4:39. Put him to bed at 1:30. He still woke at 4:30 or even had to be woken up at 5 before now

Aw horsey doesn't sound fun sad hugs.

Hope you do a poo soon det you sound uncomfortable! And yay for dp getting up!

Glad things are better vq smile

evil sweet corn and peas seem to come out a lot like they went in sometimes here too, think its fine smile

E had a banana porridge organix pot for breakfast blush I got them by mistake last time, and he seemed to love them. Anyway despite me knowing he eats them he was playing up. Am finding it hard not to get stressed. Any tips to stop me working myself up and getting annoyed? I know I shouldn't and I really try not to sad I don't shout at him or anything but alot of sighing is involved and I can feel myself practically bubbling and trying so hard to keep the calm and the smile! Tomorrow can be toast I think.

PurplePidjin Thu 25-Jul-13 10:31:16

Happy birthday BPLP wineflowers

horseylady Thu 25-Jul-13 10:34:12

I just take it away kyz I would also decant half of it, then it's not all wasted. Does that make sense? So you're looking at less. If he seems hungrier you can offer more? There's a method in the madness!! Etiennes hardly eating much. Dh battling with him but I've told him to stop. He's old enough now with enough weight behind him to survive on smaller amounts of food for a few days. So today he's eaten a good breakfast, and not vommed his milk. Compared to the rest of the week this is almost as much as he's eaten in a day lately.

vq take your time. Glad you're feeling better. Hugs x

Kyzordz Thu 25-Jul-13 10:38:00

Happy birthday bplp!!

That makes sense horsey I just worry cos e only gets offered 3 bottles now cos he stopped drinking the 4th and was eating really well. How much milk is etienne on? Hopefully he's picking up a bit now then if he's had a good breakfast smile

TheDetective Thu 25-Jul-13 11:03:39

Fucking hell.

O went to sleep. For 35 mins. He woke up angrily I tried to get him up but he wanted to be asleep.

So I rocked him til he went. But he will not go down. He will not even let me sit back ffs. Wakes instantly screaming like a banshee.

So now I'm sat on my bed with no back support still needing a fucking poo while O is fast afuckingsleep and I'm sweating buckets. FFS. What is this about??????!

TheDetective Thu 25-Jul-13 11:05:20

Finally he let me lay down with him. Well. It's been 30 seconds and he isn't yet wailing. He is fidgeting though....


Pikz Thu 25-Jul-13 11:10:08

Det if you work it out let me know... Have managed to get L to sleep after 4 hours by driving... Am going bonkers on how to get him to nap without rocking which I can't do as he is masssshove

TheDetective Thu 25-Jul-13 11:45:24

When I think I might have it, he may as well stick 2 fingers up at me by deciding that no, in fact, I do not have it at all.

I gave up because the nap was so fitful and horrible that he is now awake and screeching. I give the fuck up.

Off for Calpol. For me.

YellowWellies Thu 25-Jul-13 11:56:20

Have started looking at childcare options for when I go back to freelance two days a week.

My sister had offered but she's stressed enough with her own brood - and childcare with relatives has the worst outcomes for babies apparently (not sure why on earth that would be - unless they are more likely to spoil them or go against parent's wishes because 'they know best'? has anyone got any clues?) so am looking at nurseries. There's one 2 streets away which consistently gets great inspection reports and has a good reputation locally. So we're off to see it this afternoon - which feels far too soon to say he'd only start in late October / November. I did like the fact that they weren't afraid to suggest we pop right over to have a look and a play smile shock

Have also found a Montessori forest nursery for the over threes which he is soooooo going to go to a day or so a week when he gets that big. I'd go - it looks amazing! Its called The Secret Garden and is near Cupar so a bit of a drive but I will be driving by then. I'm going to take lessons on my freelance days as I just can't fit them in whilst a SAHM.

StuntNun Thu 25-Jul-13 13:04:16

You're quite right Pass, DS1 can get worked up about some things that seem to be quite trivial confused and he has recently taken against some of his pyjamas. I think it's a characteristic of ASD.

Kyz DH has prescribed extra fruit rations for DS1 as he has had bowel trouble before.

I have been out opening bank accounts for the kids today, they have a scary amount of money put away. We saved for five years for the first two and my mum has been putting what she would have paid in NI contributions since she reached retirement age. It has really racked up as we've managed to avoid touching it in the main so the three of them all now have investment portfolios! hmm I wish my finances were in as good shape.

Lily311 Thu 25-Jul-13 13:22:01

O has a crazy amount in her portfolio. Her inheritance. It's on name but she can't do anything with it without my consent, thanks fuck for that- sometimes you gotta love hungarian laws. My cousin got access to his saving account on his 18th and had nothing left over by the time he was 20. He can't even show anything off. I'm not even planning to tell her what she has till she is 21.

YellowWellies Thu 25-Jul-13 13:37:38

Lily wait until 25. I inherited at 21 and I'd frittered it on fecktard relationships 'because I love him' by 25. Technically your brain is still counted as pubescent until 25 as that's when your hormones and impulse control mature. At 25 I knew myself so much better than at 21 and I knew the value of money much better. And meh everyone is poor at 21 so its no hardship to wait a few more years.

Lily311 Thu 25-Jul-13 13:44:22

I will see. She might be as sensible as her dad and I were at that age. We both had savings already for properties by working while at uni. I will certainly not save or pay for her uni, she can work hard for that.

YellowWellies Thu 25-Jul-13 13:54:01

Very true I'm sensible now but I was getting over a bereavement - trying to find the unconditional love I missed in bad relationships.

Passmethecrisps Thu 25-Jul-13 14:02:58


Trying to rock P at a dainty 15 1/2 Ib was doing my back in - don't know how you guys manage *det and pikz. I moved an armchair into her room to sit in. I get her into her bag with Ewan playing and the soft lights on. We then sit in the chair while I read to her. If she is still awake I have been stroking her face until she falls asleep. <touches wood> faster, more pleasant and more effective than rocking at the moment.

MissMummy1 Thu 25-Jul-13 14:16:33

I am 21 blush

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Jul-13 14:21:58

I am pig sick of DD1 deliberately waking up LO from her naps. It is just so unfunny I could cry.

Every single fucking day. When she naps well, she sleeps through at night. When she doesn't sleep enough during the day she has bad nights.

Passmethecrisps Thu 25-Jul-13 14:29:26

pr that sounds utterly, utterly infuriating. How many days until crèche?

Passmethecrisps Thu 25-Jul-13 14:40:03

My granny looked after us. Sister from pre-school and me during the hols and after school on Fridays. She was a lovely, kind old woman but she was old. She liked to sit and watch the snooker on her black and white telly. She got annoyed with me reading because it was anti-social and got suspicious if you took yourself off to play. On the rare occasions that we stayed over on school nights granny would try to keep us off the school because she liked our company and was unimpressed by education.

My sister was overfed and encouraged to keep secrets from my mum by our Aunty.

I suspect many issues with family based child care come down to family dynamic. I love my mum but I wouldn't want her caring for p. she doesn't have the energy or the personality to provide the stuff I want for p if I'm not there.

Round where I live almost all child care is family provided and social demographic will have an impact on the future chances of those children in many cases.

Pikz Thu 25-Jul-13 14:52:21

Fucking unhelpful HV!!!

He's 11kg so 97th percentile which I didn't get too much shit for however the convo went like this:

Me: he's ace except he won't nap I the day

HV: well if he sleeps at night you any force him to nap

Me: but he surely can't stay up for 12 hours every day straight. He gets hideous.

HV: maybe he'll nap when he's moving

Me: he never stops moving, he crawls, climbs, pulls himself up and wriggles all day

HV: oh well maybe he will sleep when he walks

Me: excellent thanks for all your help


PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Jul-13 15:10:27

4 weeks and 4days

32 days

762 hours

Kyzordz Thu 25-Jul-13 15:30:16

No idea yw I'd rather leave e with dp's mum or my mum if she hadn't got elyza to sort as my first options. The nursery for when he's bigger sounds ace!

stunt hope that sorts him out!

I haven't a bank account for e nor any money for one yet sad well, he has about £150 that was gifts from people when he was born but its hardly going to get him into uni is it sad no matter, I'll try and stick some away for him as soon as I can smile

pr that would drive me nuts too sad not long now, not long!

Very unhelpful pikz, surely she could've come up with something better!

Lunch didn't go too badly, I got screamed at though. Where has my lovely placid baby gone? All of a sudden these past few days he can easily go from happy to real tears and screaming in seconds. I don't understand. No temperature or anything. Ugh sad

TheDetective Thu 25-Jul-13 15:31:14

<Runs in to thread and screams>

<Runs out of thread and screams>

<Runs back in thread and screams some more and shouts obscenities for good measure>


After the hideous 'nap' this morning, we had another shitty short nap this afternoon. Granted this one was a fall asleep in car seat job the second we came out of baby group. Normally he wakes up the second the car stops. I drove round for 20 minutes. Went to doctors to pick his px up, figured he would probably wake up but would fall back to sleep if I drove around a bit more.

No, he stayed asleep - this is nothing short of a miracle. So I figured we would chance coming home. Of course he fucking woke the second I took him out the car. hmm

So 30 minutes in total, and point blank refuses to go back asleep.

He is currently happy enough, but it won't last. And that is it til bedtime now. And DP in work til 7, as he has been the past 3 days.

And I still need a fucking poo.

<Deep breath>

PetiteRaleuse Thu 25-Jul-13 15:39:13

And just now while I was looking after LO DD1 slipped outside and picked some more dandelion clocks and blew them right round the house. I only just fucking hoovered.

I was so looking forward to being a SAHM. I imagined so much fun, and games, and laughter. And it used to be like that, despite all the illnesses. And it's just become a real chore every single day to do anything more than ensure they are clean and fed. And I hate myself for hating it so much. It's since the heatwave started that it has become really intolerable. By about 4pm every day I am a nervous wreck. Wishing away the hours and the days til I don't have to look after my own children anymore.

You know since LO was born I have had no more than two hours away from them, and that happened once.

She's gone from blowing dandelion clocks around to using up all the baby wipes on her sodding doll. Does she want to do a jigsaw with mummy? Read a book? Play with lego? Does she fuck. She'll want to do that kind of thing when I am feeding LO, or cooking dinner.

Oh well, at least she hasn't hit or scratched LO in the last hour.

MsJupiterJones Thu 25-Jul-13 15:50:31

My mum looks after L 2.5 days per week. She sends me lengthy emails purporting to be from him about ducks and parks and horses. I think he has a better time with her than me!

There are some strains, mostly around her desire to feed him sugar, often mixed with dairy products and frozen. But in general it is going well and it is lovely how he responds to her. I am really grateful as we are not well off, but mostly I am happy that they enjoy their time together.