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FEB 2010 Proper threenagers now!!

(410 Posts)

Come on in, Chicas!

Dive into the bubbly and home-baking and take advantage of our deluxe creche....

ClimbingPenguin Fri 19-Jul-13 21:09:22

Thanks IC

DD was proper wiped out today and had bit of a meltdown come bedtime. Just in time for DH's weekend away

JF huge congrats on the job

ScienceRocks Fri 19-Jul-13 21:16:08

<hands out homemade redcurrant and rose cordial, or blackcurrant, mint and lime cordial topped up with fizzy water>

Thanks IC!

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 19-Jul-13 21:45:10

Thanks IC
SR taking the latter please!

JewelFairies Sat 20-Jul-13 09:34:59

Thanks IC smile

StoneBaby Sat 20-Jul-13 12:35:01

Thanks IC grin

Bearcrumble Sun 21-Jul-13 11:34:53

Thank you IC

Good luck with 2ww SB.

I too have been rough on occasion with DS when he has hurt DD or when he is being particularly screamy/confrontational. I hate myself afterwards. The worst is often if I have the baby in the carrier because I can't pick him up and I can't leave him. I was literally pulling him along by his arm because he was refusing to go where I wanted. In the end I realised it was pointless and we went home but I was fuming. He is only three and she is very clingy and it must be crappy for him not to be able to do a lot of the things we used to do - crafts, baking and painting are out really while she is so young and so active/grabby. I don't have room for a playpen and she'd scream the house down in one anyway.

Baby slept quite well last night but I had insomnia!

JewelFairies Sun 21-Jul-13 12:00:43

Nooooo, I've just discovered a grey eyebrow hair! shock

ClimbingPenguin Sun 21-Jul-13 12:47:35

it will get better bc I am astounded at the progress DS has made, it's fair to say he was very clingy. Still has moments but he is started to give as good as he gets. He understands turns etc. Half the battle is working out how word stuff, changing mindset and getting ready 15 mins before you think you should.

Those magic painting things are handy, plus they are old enough to do a fair bit of crafts without too much intervention. Baking when I do it, I used to pre-measure everything out first while they were sleeping. Now she doesn't sleep then we can measure it then and bake it later. Easel painting hasn't really happened for ages but table top painting isn't too bad. DS is starting to do playdough without eating too much and they have separate puzzles, so there are ones he could destroy.

SconesForTea Mon 22-Jul-13 12:22:02

Thanks for the thread IC. Love the title!

Feel really blue. There are very few PT jobs and the few I have applied for I have not heard back. I am contemplating evening pub work (at least I wouldn't have childcare costs) but worried it would be too knackering and also the last time I applied for a pub job I didn't get that one either hmm I feel so trapped, trapped, trapped and now and wondering if everyone is right and we should try to move back to London ('back' for me, DH has lived here all his life and is resolutely opposed to London. So am I really, but there is NO WORK HERE).

What can I do, from home, in the evenings, or I'd have childcare costs?!! Or I suppose I could try the local restaurants. They may need summer staff. I can't help but think how has it come to this. And they may not want me either, I have never waited (I have worked in pubs but the pubs didn't want me).

I have given up on baking and even really jigsaws unless DD2 is asleep. I just find it far too stressful with their competing needs. I can only really cope if I take them both out of the house for the afternoon. Contemplating where to go this pm as I don't seem to have any friends who want to see me (self-pitying? Moi?) and it is really too, too hot to walk far. For them more than me.

I thought last week I was in a much more positive mood and was quite self-congratulatory on keeping positive. Turns out it was just we had a couple of undisturbed nights and that makes such a difference. I think the heat is affecting their sleep so much, their room is regularly 27 or 28, it is just too hot. That's with blackout curtains closed all day and fan on. The window only opens a crack because of the safety catch. What do you all do?

Bearcrumble Mon 22-Jul-13 14:45:08

Just suffer through it - have to have windows shut as our part of London is so noisy (and all the flies). So true about the amount of sleep making so much difference - I am a different person after a good night. So much more focussed and patient.

Got to go and collect DS from nursery but thinking of you, Scones. Anything you can do self employed? Will try to post more later. x

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Tue 23-Jul-13 08:17:52

I don't think it is hot! The night time temperature is below 20 (or even 25).
I wonder if those who are hot at night sleep with the same pyjama and duvet as when it is cooler. At 28 it is perfect for underwear and a tank top and may be a sheet (no duvet). The rule is windows open when (if) the outside temperature is lower than the inside one, otherwise windows closed, and create a draft when it is cooler outside. If you open your window at night and close your bedroom door it is almost useless you need a big space for air movement. Draw the curtains of the rooms which have direct sunlight until they are in the shade (even better if you have shutters). Anyway the heat wave is finished isn't it! that was summer...
Sorry just saw you can't open the window, can you get rid of the safety catch? if not open all the windows a little bit and wedge the doors so they can't close and open the front/back doors for a bit too.

Scones I am in the same situation. I am not sure what is your background is but any chances that you fit in with marketing (online), moderating or online secretary/accounting?
I have look at moderator but my internet connexion is too crap, so I might try again when we move in a more "modern" area.

I agree a good night sleep makes a huge difference! My problem is DH snoring and MIL shuffling to the toilet should I buy her a chamber pot?
And the girls dreaming and calling me in their sleep. DH even took the perversion to another level and his snoring is sounding like DD2's moaning hmm, which makes me wake up to check on her only to realise that she is fine and fast asleep, when I go back to bed I must admit that I have thought of murder!

ClimbingPenguin Tue 23-Jul-13 11:59:31

bc same here I feel like crying some nights, I have a few nights of getting to sleep before 12 and then for no reason I regress again.

SconesForTea Tue 23-Jul-13 12:00:39

Mous thanks for the ventilation advice. We could take off the safety catch but I just don't trust DD1 not to try to jump out of the window. She has no fear, and no sense. At what age are they trusted with windows, I wonder??? Mum says she doesn't ever remember putting on catches with us as children.

Hopefully it will get a little cooler now the thunderstorms are (meant to be) arriving. It has just rained all over my washing angry but no thunder yet and still soooooo humid. It didn't drop below 26 in the girls' room last night.

Mous I have no idea what online marketing or moderating would involve; but probably my internet connection isn't good enough either sad It can be pretty rubbish.

Yesterday I was horrible to DD1 all day and felt so awful. Today I was horrible to her again this morning before nursery. I can't seem to stop myself. She is so tired and whingey because not sleeping at night, I assume because of the heat. Then whinges all day. It drives me spare. She keeps DD2 awake too as they are in the same room. So annoying.

Two friends have had terrible news. One, a close friend committed suicide leaving DW and 1yo DD. Out of the blue. Horrible. The other, found out at her 22w scan that baby has serious heart defect and would require surgery, I didn't speak to her personally so don't know how viable the pregnancy is but they are not continuing with it. Terrible. I tell myself, all day, how lucky I am to have two healthy DDs and a DH who loves me. I still can't shift this black mood.

ScienceRocks Tue 23-Jul-13 14:31:58

Scones, what awful news (on both counts). It does throw things into perspective, but a black mood is a black mood. When I am in the doldrums, I try and change things up a bit. Going out for the day is great, but even just having dinner on a picnic rug in the spare room instead of at the table is enough to make the DDs stop whingeing and start giggling, and then I start feeling better too.

BC, we have had houses where keeping windows open at night isn't possible and it is unbearable in the heat. We do the things Mous suggests, and it definitely keeps the house (and us) cool.

DD2's last day at nursery today. Feels like only a week ago that I was handing over DD1 on her first day, but it was in fact nearly six years ago shock. They are having a little party for DD2, which is lovely. Everyone is telling me I will sob when we leave for the last time, but I don't think I will. While I am grateful for all they have done for us, it is time to move onto the next stage and DD2 is so excited about going to her pre-school that I can't help but be infected by her enthusiasm.

ScienceRocks Tue 23-Jul-13 14:32:46

Scones, meant to say that the job thing is really hard. Have you thought about stuff you can do with the girls in tow? Mystery shopping, for example.

ClimbingPenguin Thu 25-Jul-13 10:57:09

My coworker and his partner lost their twins at 23 weeks recently sad

JewelFairies Thu 25-Jul-13 15:58:13

CP sad

Oh CP how awful for them sad

Scones sorry to hear you're still feeling so down. I know you don't think you are depressed, but I think maybe you are. I'm not an expert and I think feeling tired and trapped by your situation are explanations of your mood, but also triggers for proper depression too. So perhaps it can be treated...?? My heart aches for you when I read your posts and I hear how fed up you feel. Children ARE bloody hard work, but if you're finding it hard to find any joy in your situation (as well as the inevitable worries and frustrations) I think something is probably wrong. Is there anything we can do to help? It looks from the other group that there are a number on the thread who feel or have felt very similar.
Big hug to you xx

Things here are fine - DH has finished for the summer - yay!! And tomorrow we're off to WOMAD, can't wait!! MIL offered to take DD on Saturday so we could spend the day onsite with only DS, who would be no trouble at all, bless him.

We had a play date today with the friend DD was so vile to when she came here - and talk about boot on the other foot! The friend (in her own house) behaved in a very similar unfriendly fashion to DD (who was pretty philosophical about it). Her mum laughed when I said actually the schadenfreude made me feel a lot better about DD's behaviour. We agreed to meet on neutral territory next time.

StoneBaby Thu 25-Jul-13 21:26:03

scones sad for you. It sounds a lot like flyingcloud on fb.

IC have a good time at WOMAD.

So I'm now 3 days late BUT still BFN every time I test and I tested a lot!

Waves to all

ClimbingPenguin Thu 25-Jul-13 21:49:03

<holds SB hand>

In good news I got 8 hours sleep last night.

StoneBaby Thu 25-Jul-13 21:57:16

CP great news

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 26-Jul-13 07:51:11

CP sad

JewelFairies Fri 26-Jul-13 22:18:31

Scones, bit late in the day to reply but just to say it took me three years, many many applications, many interviews, and a 10k+ salary cut, to get a job after a career break. It will happen for you but you need to address your state of mind first and seek and accept help. thanks

ClimbingPenguin Sat 27-Jul-13 16:13:28

<takes deep breath>

I'm at the ILs and my days outdoor climbing got cancelled

StoneBaby Sat 27-Jul-13 18:27:57

CP oh no!! Good luck and if you have difficulties find their drink cabinet wink

Bearcrumble Sat 27-Jul-13 18:45:10

Scones and CP - sorry to hear sad news about your friends. How awful on all counts.

Oh, CP -try and stay calm but don't let them get away with any crappy comments/stuffing DD with ham.

I've had a couple of better nights too - feel a lot more sane and focussed.

ClimbingPenguin Sat 27-Jul-13 19:11:15

I've come to bed already

SurvivalOfTheUnfittest Sat 27-Jul-13 22:50:59

Awful news for your friends Scones and CP. Thinking of you and them.

stoofadoof Tue 30-Jul-13 21:58:32

<found you> you've all been busy! have been away on hols, nice but good to be home and before that I was wiped out with sicky bug for 3 days - really rough! will try and catch up!

JewelFairies Tue 30-Jul-13 22:12:07

Stoof, nice to hear from you smile

JewelFairies Wed 31-Jul-13 08:57:19

I've just seen the invisible car. Light grey BMW doing 90 on the motorway without lights on, in heavy spray, drizzle and fog and zero visibility. I nearly pulled out in front of the idiot. angry

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Wed 31-Jul-13 11:27:09

shock JF DH went on a road safety thingy for work and the guy did say that light grey cars are invisible no matter what they, should always have lights on.

ScienceRocks Wed 31-Jul-13 19:27:21

Just marking my place x

JewelFairies Thu 01-Aug-13 08:28:54

Mous I'm considering getting a neon green car next wink

I'm ahead of myself today despite getting up late. Have already dropped the girls at their holiday club (trip to the beach today the lucky things) and have a list of things to get done before work. Only to find everything is still shut! Now sitting outside the surgery to collect repeat prescription and they won't open until 8.30. Then have to collect a parcel and the depot also opens at 8.30. Knew it doesn't pay off to be up early and efficient! smile Should have taken more time over my coffee which I left half drunk on the table.

Eek at the invisible car with tosspot driver. JF.. shock

WOMAD was totally ace, DS and DD both loved it and their enjoyment added to ours. They were both reasonably content to let us hang out and listen to music and neither made any fuss when it started raining. At one point, I took DD for a stroll just with me and we had loads of fun together trying on silly glasses, having a go in an old-fashioned swing-boat and clambering into various display hammocks. DD was also great at using the portaloos, which made life easier too.
(I feel like I'm repeating myself...have I said all this already??!)

DS is finally crawling - as some of you have noted on FB! He's enjoying his new freedom of movement and I'm wondering if I should fit a stair gate onto the kitchen door.....

DS is also in his own room as of tonight. I'm working towards him sleeping through by the time we go to an wedding overnight in early October. Given that DH is on holiday, DS is healthy and between sleep regressions, it seems like a good opportunity. I've just started putting him into his cot after his story rather than his feed and so far, so good (night two). A bit of bobbing up and down and minor complaining, but asleep within 20 mins. Here's hoping...

stoof good to hear from you! Sorry you've been ill.

JewelFairies Fri 02-Aug-13 10:27:41

It's been a long week... I panicked earlier because I couldn't find my keys. Then realised they were in the ignition of my car that I was driving! D'oh.

IC Sounds like a great success. Shame about the weather but on the other hand maybe preferable to 30 degrees every day.

I'll have to start packing tomorrow for our trip to my parents. Had my mother on the phone to say its currently 38 degrees, and to take lots of water for the journey...

ClimbingPenguin Fri 02-Aug-13 23:05:16

I think I have found a nursery I am happy with. It also happens to be cheap enough to offset our rent increase which means I will give up tutoring now. Feeling quite relieved on all three fronts.

JewelFairies Sat 03-Aug-13 08:08:57

CP (and Mous) Be sure to let the local council know you have a child starting reception in 2014 so that they can send you the relevant forms. Were I am the forms go out Oct and are due back December. They won't automatically know your child exists and needs a place so it's down to you. Crazy system if you ask me but thought I'd mention it just in case you don't know. smile

ClimbingPenguin Sat 03-Aug-13 15:57:59

Thanks, That's why we're moving now, before school application starts (schools our way aren't very good). Will make once we're moved in and into nursery to chase them up. We will be due a hv for DS around then as well.

Will try and get some photos up later

stoofadoof Sat 03-Aug-13 22:09:32

<place marking> (not still avoiding the village hall books, obv!)

SconesForTea Tue 06-Aug-13 11:04:25

Hi everyone, my phone has stopped working more or less so I don't get to read or post much.

Not much to report really, I have been unable to shake my blue mood apart from the weekends when I am really happy. That's why I don't think I'm depressed; I love it when DH is around and we share the housework and the childcare. I just hate doing it all on my own in the week. Most of my friends work PT or FT and aren't around to socialise, or those that are usually around are on holiday. Or busy the days I am free. Or have decided that I'm too much of a whinger to want to socialise with.... Anyway, I seem to be alone much of the time (i.e. alone with the girls, I would love to actually be alone). I am trying to smile but I do feel sad and lonely.

Sending lots of love and get well vibes to SR's dad.

ScienceRocks Thu 08-Aug-13 15:13:47

<marks spot>

<looks round nervously for MN jinx>
DD has been doing her poos in the toilet the last couple of days.....

rainbowweaver Sun 11-Aug-13 00:04:07

Great news ic <keeping fingers crossed for you> grin

Sorry to hear that scones sad can your LOs go to a childminder at least for a day during the week to give you time alone?

stoofadoof Sun 11-Aug-13 20:03:30

<quiet week on here!> good news IC <keeping FX!>

stoofadoof Sun 11-Aug-13 20:05:14

letter from tax credits say they've overpaid by £365 last year… I don't understand how as the details I gave them this time last year turned out (somewhat surprisingly) to be perfectly correct… confused and [need a smiley for SKINT]

JewelFairies Tue 13-Aug-13 13:09:20

I've rumbled my girls. Turns out they have been back and forth to my dad several times a day, asking nicely for squares of chocolate. He's a big softie. After ten days (!) of secrete chocolate fixes they got careless and I caught them red handed grin. Not sure who to tell off, the girls or my dad, or to just laugh about how sneaky they have been.

JewelFairies Tue 13-Aug-13 13:09:41

Stoof Ouch.

ScienceRocks Tue 13-Aug-13 15:45:42

JF, reminds me of the time my sister and I babysat for my brother and his then girlfriend (now his wife). Between the two of us grown ups, we had nine children to look after, the youngest being my dd1 (aged just over a year) and my brother's son (aged about eight months). Whenever he cried, one of his siblings would go over and make a bit of a fuss and he would stop. It was several hours before my sister and I realised that they were giving him a chocolate button each time!

The joy of this story was that dd1 decided she didn't like me looking after another baby, and raised hell if I even picked him up. So my sister had to do all his nappies. All 11 of them grin

JewelFairies Tue 13-Aug-13 15:53:12

grin SR
Luckily my dad has also handed out dried prunes in between dark chocolate, so there has been no problem with constipation so far with dd2...

Bearcrumble Wed 14-Aug-13 08:50:24

We have lost our tax credits completely now. They are offering to pay 800ish over the next year and then reclaim it but I think we'll just tell them to keep it now to avoid hardship later on.

It's good that DH is earning more but I think we are slightly worse off. Hopefully his earnings will continue to go up.

We had a lovely afternoon with Scones and her DD1. Went to pub with playroom and then playground. Scones DD lost her bunny for ages but Scones finally found her stuffed inside a plastic aeroplane. My DS has a tantrum over me saying no to ice cream but apart from that they were very good.

ScienceRocks Wed 14-Aug-13 10:04:25

Glad you and scones had a nice time, BC. Wish I could have made it. Next time...

IC, great news on poos in the toilet! Is it continuing?

We don't get tax credits, but did lose our child benefit at the beginning of the year. Hmrc offered the same "deal" for that, in that you could receive it but then have it reclaimed. How can that ever be a good idea?

How is everyone? I'm trying to work through my enormous to do list before we go on holiday on Saturday. MNing isn't helping.

JewelFairies Wed 14-Aug-13 13:37:02

<Wonders aloud if we should have had tax credits the past few years, remembers not being arsed to fill in any of the forms when made redundant in 2009, shrugs shoulders and goes in search of cake...>

Eek at tax credits overpayment!!!

SR after 6 consecutive days of using the loo for her poos, DD has regressed to nappies again. Frustrating.... But hopefully it won't be too long before she works up the courage to try again....

So lovely to see CP and her DD at our place the other day!! And what a talented photographer you are, CP - as well as all the other things you're good at!!

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 16-Aug-13 20:23:40

fell off the thread just checking in without reading <sorry> blush

JewelFairies Mon 19-Aug-13 09:59:43

Mous How are you doing?

SconesForTea Mon 19-Aug-13 20:20:14

Hi everyone

Bizarre about the tax credits, the offering to pay and then reclaim it I mean. Why would that be better than not paying it in the first place? All the extra administration. Crazy.

Shame about DD's poos, IC, never mind, I'm sure she will get the hang of it again. DD1 still point blank refuses to even consider potty or toilet.

She had another UTI-like incident (screaming with pain when weeing, a bit of blood, raised temp) but the doc said her urine was clear. So no idea why it keeps happening (well, twice).

We had a nice week at my mum's (and a lovely meet-up with Bc and her two grin) but just as I was due to come back, my step dad had a third heart attack. It was a mild one, but the angiogram showed that three of his arteries are almost entirely blocked and so he is having a triple bypass this week. The odd thing is he seems ok, although of course very worried about the op. I did come back home in the end, I think it's easier for mum not to have us under her feet, and she is spending a lot of time at the hospital.

DH was supposed to sand and polish the kitchen floor while we were away, but he had a DIY disaster and it is only halfway through. He is usually very good at getting on with things so is a bit upset by it. Knowing us, it will stay in this half-done state until the girls and I go away to mum's for a week next summer.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Tue 20-Aug-13 10:19:16

scone sorry to hear about your SD, Fx for the op.
JF I am worried panicked and aimless I am turning around like a headless chicken. My plan Z has been used not sure what to do next... But I am OK, thanks for asking.

SconesForTea Thu 22-Aug-13 08:51:27

Mous sad What about your DH? Is he jobhunting? It is hard; very hard. There are plenty of jobs in London but not necessarily in other parts of the country. I have an interview tomorrow (cautious yay) but it is way, way, way below what I 'should' be doing. And pays peanuts, I'm not sure if it will cover the childcare. But I have to do SOMETHING.

Keep posting Mous

ClimbingPenguin Thu 22-Aug-13 20:10:29

<jumps in>

ClimbingPenguin Fri 23-Aug-13 19:54:24

scones how was it?

ClimbingPenguin Fri 23-Aug-13 19:59:58

and mous how was today for you?

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sat 24-Aug-13 08:15:18

Scone FX the interview went well!

DH has had a raging toothache, got much worse over the week end of course and all emergency services have been closed since we left the UK! Even the rota of pharmacies shock. Better now after a week of ABs but he had to camp at the dentist for a while to get seen.

Scones I don't think he has been looking at all, hence my panicking. I will have to give him an ultimatum too sad.
I can't find anything to apply to and even if I could my confidence is rock bottom everybody think I am an idiot, they won't take me for a public facing job due to my appearance, I have a foreign name, I can't even meet new people because I can't invite them around I need to find a course I can do to get up to speed with the market but I am completely lost at what to do.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 26-Aug-13 09:49:03

Gaahh I smacked my head in the door yesterday, it hurts a lot! feeling sorry for myself... <sniff, sorry>

JewelFairies Mon 26-Aug-13 21:04:26

Mous Hope you are okay.

I'm back in the UK and feeling very sorry for myself, too. sad

ClimbingPenguin Mon 26-Aug-13 21:30:18

<hands out chocolate>

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Tue 27-Aug-13 07:57:57


LeMousquetaireAnonyme Tue 27-Aug-13 08:34:08

On my 3rd cup bowl of coffee! DD2 still sleeping shock! hmmm peace

I didn't bang myself on purpose, promise! Better today thanks JF. Even if being here is driving me up the wall. All the very annoying things about DH are learnt behaviours. MIL stops jobs in the middle for a rest, leave rubbish everywhere, drop food on the floor (not cleaning), have snacks and leave everything lying around until next time 2 days, gaahhh. I would give her some slack for her age but since DH was is like that I am sure she has always been the same. It is all getting passive aggressive too. It is unbelievably kind of her to have us but DH needs a kick up the arse and I need a house of our own considering kicking the tenants out so I can get our house back.
DH's toothache is back so I guess I will spend the week nursing again beating him with a stick until he stops complaining and go to the dentist <sigh>

I can't even get to know people because I can't invite anyone back for tea or playdate. they are avoiding me like the plaque when they learn about it

JewelFairies Tue 27-Aug-13 19:08:31

Mous I would strongly suggest you do some kicking! (Give your tenants notice or not renew when their contract is up, and tell your dh he'd better sort out some income for when you move back into your own house!). Can you set yourself a deadline eg. be back in your own house by Christmas?
I just spent three weeks under the same roof as my parents and I love them dearly, and they are wonderful for putting up with four people descending on their quiet life. But there is no way I would live with them for any length of time.

SurvivalOfTheUnfittest Wed 28-Aug-13 00:17:43

Little lurk and love to all.

I echo JF, mous - even the loveliest of parents and in-laws start to drive you mad after a little while sharing the same living space. Good advice on a deadline to get into your own place....
Meantime, have a <hug>

JF are you okay? Back to UK Blues getting better? Be lovely to see you one of these days!

Sorry for the absence - we've been in Cornwall for a week with tricky internet access (hence my improved ability to solve cryptic crossword clues..!!). It was a lovely week, only two REALLY crap nights of sleep, the rest okay (one was because DH forgot to put on DD's night nappy....wet bed at 02.30, tried to settle her in with us, gave up after 2.5 hours of non-stop fidgeting - DH ended up taking her outside where they both curled up under a duvet on a single mattress in a tent in my DSis' garden for a few hours....I got 20 mins more kip before DS was up for the day....felt a bit weary, I can tell you..!)

Meantime, DS has just turned one and is celebrating by eating brilliantly (apart from sweet stuff - wasn't overly grabbed by his birthday cake, but wolfed down the chili lentils I'd made!!), and sleeping until 07.00ish with only one nocturnal awakening. Crawling and cruising are coming on apace and the withholding seems to be nipped in the bud, although he's still on Lactulose at the moment.

DD is on generally good form too - apart from the wet bed incident, she hasn't woken in the night for a good few weeks, after a run of interruptions because of nightmares <whacks MN jinx> and has recently been much better at playing with other children, including a new ability to "adopt" older girls in the park and then boss them around shamelessly (much to their delight, in most cases!!) Her previous dislike of the beach seems to have gone and she decided she wanted to stay in Cornwall "forever" so she could have easy access both to the beach and her beloved cousins. All good!!

ScienceRocks Sun 01-Sep-13 10:29:28


SconesForTea Mon 02-Sep-13 22:28:58

<waves to Survival>

Good to hear from you, IC! Your holiday sounds lovely. And a very happy birthday to your DS. One already! Wow.

<Studiously ignores the fact that DD2 is nearly two, not my baby, nooooo>

Mous your poor head. No wonder it is hurting with all that's going on with you. I agree with the others, some kicking is in order. You need your own house and own space, and your DH needs to look for a job!! What is he playing at?!

Sorry that your confidence is at rock bottom. I feel the same. A course sounds a good place to start. Are there any publicly-funded ones where you are? There are a few around here (as an area of high unemployment/deprivation) although they are all very basic. Still, have a creche. I am considering doing one just for the childcare (honestly).

My job interview went well, but there were a couple of sticking points and I didn't get the job. I have learned that I need to bullshit more and sell myself more. I think perhaps I could have got it if I'd been a bit more bullish, but at the time I wasn't convinced I wanted it. Now, of course, I wish I'd got it hmm.

Nothing else on the horizon at all, jobswise.

DD1 has an obsession with sleeping in our bed at the moment. This morning she ended up in our bed with DH and I was in her toddler bed with legs hanging out.

stoofadoof Thu 05-Sep-13 09:40:08


CP - your suspicions about DS were right...I've had a chance to look properly and he does appear to have an upper lip tie. It obviously hasn't caused us feeding issues, but I'm now thinking I should probably get it sorted to fend of future dental/speech issues. What do you think?
Anyone else with experience of this?

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 06-Sep-13 08:55:53

scones Sorry you didn't get the job. I can't bullshit and I won't.

IC can you get to the GP or ask HV for advice? Has he been to the dentist yet? DD1 has undetected tongue tie and we got it checked by a SALT when she was 6 who advise to leave it as it is but I would guess your DS is too small for this? Unless they can check babbling.

My bump was small but I was apparently seeping blood through my pores as I have a patch of "purple heads" on the point of impact hmm.

Local skills are very very basic, but I am debating if it is worth doing anyway just to get something on my CV, like web design?

JewelFairies Fri 06-Sep-13 10:30:19

Priceless parenting moment last night that brought tears to my eyes (admittedly doesn't take much to make me blub). dd1 let her sister wobble her first wobbly tooth grin and they beamed at each other.
Can someone please explain the tooth fairy to me? Nothing like that where I come from!

Week has gone well but getting up early and leaving the house at 6.45 is taking its toll. Yesterday I walked out of the house in slippers wink. I could try going to bed earlier I guess.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 06-Sep-13 10:43:03

In france we have a "little mouse" petite souris which comes and replaces the tooth with a coin. We did the same with DD1 with a fairy because everybody else has a fairy. Tooth (or note, see later) under the pillow before bed, coin in the morning.
DD1's 1st teeth was swallowed and was a drama! So we left a note instead. Since we were at friends she had a little box that my friends gave to her and a danish coin.
50 p or 1 pound should do. DD1 was just as happy with anything she won't be able to spend the danish coin or the euros she has had for a very long time and doesn't really care.

JewelFairies Fri 06-Sep-13 10:56:59

Dh told me last night he got 2p from the tooth fairy! grin I think dd1 would be happy with the same- she has no concept of money yet - but I think I can stretch to a pound (in case she tells her teacher and friends she got 2p!)

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 06-Sep-13 11:04:20

But he could buy something with 2p in his time! 10 p is the min. ie pack of haribo but since I didn't want DD1 buying sweet I increased to magazine price, 1 pound in romania! Because of her elephant memory we are stuck with that.

JewelFairies Sat 07-Sep-13 10:04:04

Dd2 is bonkers this morning. Hopefully only tiredness from three long days in her nursery class with lots of new children. I made the mistake yesterday of asking if she'd played with her best friend and she howled because the girl with the difficult name has gone into Reception. Oops, because the girl is tiny I had assumed she wasn't four yet.
Roll on next week when dd2 will do five days and I will be away at a conference for three days. Oh dear, I feel a bit sorry for dh having to cope on his own.

stoofadoof Sun 08-Sep-13 08:19:10

<another quick wave> and confirmation that the tooth fairy is fairly generous in this house and leaves £1 coin for each tooth… (aside from the first one, where the tooth fairy wasn't at all organised or sorted and had to leave a £2 coin aaargh) I've just had a random (as in unorganised and last minute) week on leave…. it's been ace, doing the school run, tidying and cleaning, decorating and cooking tea… I know the novelty would wear off, but I know from my experience doing a year of SAHM whilst in NZ I could deffo cope with it for a year or two… ho hum I reckon if I had six months without having to go to work I could get the house and garden sorted! :-D I guess the grass is always greener!

Arf at the disorganised tooth fairy, stoof..!!

Well, for us first-timers, it's coming up to primary school choosing time. Mums of older ones - any tips??!

JewelFairies Mon 09-Sep-13 22:28:40

IC First thing to remember is that there is no choice! You did the right thing in considering schools when you bought your house, so in your case I'd put down the closest and nicest as your preferences and then hope for the best... smile

ScienceRocks Tue 10-Sep-13 07:37:59

I agree with JF. Also:

Read the primary schools brochure done by your local authority. Copies will be available from schools and usually online. It will list all the schools in the borough and give information on how many people applied over the ,set few years and the maximum distance away from the school that they took someone.

Go and have a look round your nearest few schools to get a feel for what they are like.

Ask questions, particularly about wraparound care provision if you are going to need it due to work, and local holiday playschemes.

Ask if there are any bulge classes planned. This will again be a boom year and in densely populated areas, bulge classes are put on to accommodate the surplus. These are usually planned a few years in advance (I found out that my local, tiny, difficult to get into church school was down to take one the year I was applying for dd1 and it vastly increased our chance of getting a place), though schools may not be forthcoming about the details.

Read ofsted reports, but take them with a pinch of salt.

If you need to do a supplementary form, make sure you do!

Make sure you are within last year's catchment for at least one school you apply for. Failing to do so gives the local authority the opportunity to place you anywhere in the borough.

As the above implies, in my area it is a real scrum for places.

Brilliant advice, thanks! :-)
Luckily, we have two good'uns nearby, and we fall in both catchments, by the look of it....we shall see!!

ScienceRocks Tue 10-Sep-13 16:38:34

I should add that I only got wind of the bulge class at dd1's school because my journalist's nose sniffed it out of LEA board papers (all in the public domain, so not dodgy, but not entirely transparent either). I appreciate that this makes me sound a little unhinged, but the school situation round here is quite tricky because it is such a densely populated area with new houses and flats being built all the time and a complete lack of thought about the supporting infrastructure. I also became an expert in the admissions process with all its rounds of offers and what was considered fair grounds for an appeal, because I was so convinced we would have a problem. We didn't but I was able to help several friends who did.

So, in short, if there is any chance that you might encounter a problem, read and inwardly digest the admissions process so you know what to do to maximise your chance of getting one of your top choices. And don't try and play the system, it never works!

You are a font of wisdom, SR!
<lost in admiration>

ScienceRocks Wed 11-Sep-13 09:53:07

I've already submitted my application!

JewelFairies Wed 11-Sep-13 10:53:49

On my way to a conference and found it hard to say goodbye to the girls who I won't see until Friday night. Sigh. Was also up half the night with dd2 who has a heavy cold sad

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Wed 11-Sep-13 14:10:30

Why, why, WHY? Why dad can't poo standing up? why? why? why? Why girls can't pee standing up? why?

JF They will be fine and spoiled by your DH! and you will be able to sleep! <hugs>

ClimbingPenguin Wed 11-Sep-13 20:47:48

Ah, but not the first night unless you get drunk like I did. I tend to sleep badly when travelling away now.

Well we have moved house, been ill, travelled for work and gone to a wedding and a christening in the couple of weeks. We go on holiday on Saturday.

<slumps into corner>

JewelFairies Wed 11-Sep-13 21:10:08

CP waving at you from the Lebanese restaurant in town...

ClimbingPenguin Wed 11-Sep-13 21:15:55

Oh I love Lebanese envy. My appetite has returned so off to raid our empty cupboards

SurvivalOfTheUnfittest Fri 13-Sep-13 23:22:03


CP that sounds manic. I had spotted your absence but, having had tooth drama, failed to write it on here or FB.

IC make sure that you are not only in the catchment, but within the distance that the school took children from last year. We have a village school so it's a no brainier for me but I know that point catches a lot of folks out. If both may be full, make sure you find a slightly less popular third choice that you're more likely to get so that you have a fall back position.

JF hope the time away has gone well and dh hasn't just called in his mother!

Have you all spotted the Christmas bargain threads on MN? I've been getting quite a lot of stuff as I think Christmassy shops may overwhelm me.

JewelFairies Sat 14-Sep-13 13:23:43

Feeling really rubbish at the moment and then embarrassed to be so ungrateful of what I've got. Having been to a conference on ageing probably doesn't help. The thought of potentially living another 50 years (most of my relatives either side lived to their 90s) and having to work maybe another 30 years fills me with dread. If it wasn't for my girls I'm not sure I'd want to carry on carrying on.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sat 14-Sep-13 13:39:57

Oh JF <hugs>.
We can go on chatting till our late 90s together (I have almost centenarians on both side of my family). I have never ever thought our generation would retire but always been met with hmm

JewelFairies Sat 14-Sep-13 15:03:15

Mous It's a deal. We can snigger and tut tut about the youth of 'today' and remember how good things were in 2013 grin

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sat 14-Sep-13 19:55:18

grin or get purple hair and do pranks on unsuspecting youthling!

JewelFairies Sat 14-Sep-13 20:46:57

grin Sounds good to me .

We just had some unexpected drama with dd1 suddenly shouting for help from upstairs. Dh and I rushed upstairs fearing the worst. Dd1 has lost her first tooth and was somewhat alarmed about the small amount of blood. Must remember the tooth fairy... grin

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sat 14-Sep-13 21:02:49

At least she didn't swallow it! and she didn't make you dig through her poo for 3 days, oh no, never! grin
do it in the evening no matter what! don't be fooled that you can somehow get up before she does!

JewelFairies Sat 14-Sep-13 22:40:51

All done smile. Despite too much wine... Dh a bit alarmed at my low spirits this morning and

JewelFairies Sat 14-Sep-13 22:41:50

plied me with wine and chat tonight to cheer me up.

SurvivalOfTheUnfittest Sun 15-Sep-13 08:16:11

JF hope the wine and chat helped. I have never liked the idea of getting old and also have had 90somethings on both sides of my family. Now, I'm trying to live more for each moment. I also like the idea of us lot chatting away through the years as we knit by the fire! Mous's pranks on youthlings sound cool too. How long do we have to wait?!

JewelFairies Sun 15-Sep-13 09:19:13

Why wait? I feel old enough to dye my hair purple.. grin

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sun 15-Sep-13 11:12:40

I have to wait till my hair are whiter to dye purple otherwise it will be lost on my dark brown wink

JewelFairies Sun 15-Sep-13 16:16:55

Have you all seen the babysitting a 3 year old thread? Made my day! It's been moved to classics.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sun 15-Sep-13 16:29:11

Yes I did grin I have to check the conclusion now!

JF are you feeling any better today? x Thanks for the thread tip!

Survival where are the Xmas bargains threads?
Thanks for the school tip!

Mous I see we've both posted on the child psychologist thread...be interesting to see what he says....

Actually, DD has been on good form this last week - she's so much more adventurous than she used to be (and is sporting some new bumps and bruises to show for it) and is great at playing pretending games with her toys. She's also been having lots of fun playing with DS (when she isn't trying to sit on him...) and is definitely appreciating how great it can be to have a sibling playmate. They're so cute when they have crawling races or splash each other in the bath or make faces at each other while getting overwhelmed with giggles. It makes the squabbles all worth while!!

stoofadoof Mon 16-Sep-13 20:27:10

<wave> barely keeping up at the moment, so am in awe of youz lot - specially sotu and CP who deffo have tonnes on and are still posting! off to look for the child psychologist thread IC … we're just waiting for the first appointment for DD with the CAHMS team… she's currently on melatonin to help get her off to sleep, but is absolutely crippled with anxiety at the moment… started early June and just can't seem to help her this time, poor wee thing… must be bad… GP took one look, had a little chat with her and said 'well DD, shall we see if we can get someone to help you?' he was ace with her, and she said she felt better straight away cos he hadn't laughed at her … sadly, that's 3 weeks ago now and no appointment yet, so her happiness at promised help is somewhat reduced!

SurvivalOfTheUnfittest Mon 16-Sep-13 20:55:46

Stoof I have to warn you that in my area CAMHS do a triage session and then don't see anyone except life-threatening problems for about 6 months due to the waiting list. I hope your area is better.

Christmas bargain threads in Christmas topic.

Have dealt with dh's ashes today and also taken the boys in the sea in wetsuits. It's been a big day and I'm hoping to be in bed shortly.

Oh stoof, your poor DD sad
And poor you. After our experience earlier this year, I know how desperate and helpless you can feel when they're like this. Good luck xx

ClimbingPenguin Mon 16-Sep-13 22:04:10

stoof that sounds really tough!!

JewelFairies Tue 17-Sep-13 07:58:38

Stoof Your poor little dd sad

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Tue 17-Sep-13 10:56:19

Stoof poor DD. Is she 6? That's when DD1 was at her worse.
To get her to sleep I needed to "scratch" her back (caress with nails: very relaxing) while talking about "the beach" (made tropical paradise with birds and water falls...) I let her fall asleep in my bed too.
At school the teachers agreed to let her have trinkets (bracelets and key rings on bags and pencil case) she could fiddle with to calm herself down.
Hope you can have an answer soon.

ScienceRocks Tue 17-Sep-13 13:51:21

Stoof sad

Cp, how is dd1?

JewelFairies Wed 18-Sep-13 22:32:58

I love autumn. Driving to work I get stupendous views all the way to the Devon Coast (in the right weather) and I like having dinner by candle light. We even had a fire the other night using up a few bits of coal from last winter (ie May). The downside is waking up to 15 degrees in our bedroom in the morning and all of us being full of cold. I caved in earlier under the pretence of a test run and put the heating on for a little bit.

JewelFairies Fri 20-Sep-13 06:43:18

The oldest person (with verifyable records) lived to 122. Oh my. I wonder if our children beat that? What would the world look like in 2130? Will there be mn?grin

JewelFairies Fri 20-Sep-13 09:38:19

Oh dear I've killed the thread...

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 20-Sep-13 09:40:15

The next generation is supposed to live less than us and declining further after that. Probably MN but not in the form we know it. Not sure we can imagine how the world would be, my great-grandmother was born 120/130 years ago (1890s) she wouldn't even have been able to begin to guess how the world is now!

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 20-Sep-13 19:10:13

If anybody is missing a period I have it! please take it back hmm just 1 week since the last one.
DD2 just walk in my bad last night carrying a lantern she was freezing and just slept on me, I didn't grrr... Asked why she came she said she like stroking me hmm. I didn't send her back because she was freezing but I should have

JewelFairies Fri 20-Sep-13 21:21:23

Thanks, have enough of my own, both periods and children in bed....hmm

ClimbingPenguin Sat 21-Sep-13 20:25:39

Thanks mous mine was running late until you posted that.

JewelFairies Sat 21-Sep-13 21:08:24


stoofadoof Sun 22-Sep-13 08:24:17

hello! yes mous she'll be 7 at end Nov… she's been going to sleep in our bed then transferred to her own for a year now too!

Melatonin finished thurs night, fri night she was still awake when i eventually gave up and went to bed at 11… poor thing… last night better - I fell asleep with her for half an hour grin

JF I love autumn too! we've been brambling like there's no tomorrow - 10lb in the freezer waiting for the crab apples to catch up to make jelly… couple litres rosehip syrup now bottled, black currant jelly, damson jelly both done, fennel pickled, peas and bean blanched and frozen with 'christmas dinner portions' set aside so we have mostly our own veg on christmas day..

10lb of plums turning into jam today after we've been swimming, and i need to clear the veg patch out ready for winter crops…

wood neatly stacked and nice and dry

oil tank full (800 litres, ouch!) and ready for the heating being turned on (NOT before 15th october which is when we gave in last year!!!)

bedroom temps down to single figures some mornings now - DS has a little oil heater in his room though, and his stays a toasty 17 all night!

our clingfilm double glazing fitted over the last few weeks - must be working cos we have condensation on the outside of the windows this morning grin

mammoth post, sorry, but yes i really do love autumn, all the smells, the lovely clear nights and mornings, the hedgerows groaning under the weight of hips and haws, sloes and crabs…. the hens were tucked up on top the sheep in the paddock yesterday, fast asleep - must have been nice and warm!

stoofadoof Sun 22-Sep-13 08:26:01

oh, we had the fire and the stove lit yesterday, twas proper chilly!

JewelFairies Sun 22-Sep-13 10:01:18

Wow, stoof can I come and live with you please? We live close to the centre, surrounded by gorgeous parks, but the downside is our garden is the size of a postage stamp. Can I put in some orders for chard and kale and sprouts? <Drools slightly>

Sorry to hear your dd is still struggling. My dd1 is struggling to adapt to the workload of yr2 but her grumpyness is of course nothing compared to what your dd is going through.

SurvivalOfTheUnfittest Mon 23-Sep-13 09:27:22

Little wave having dropped boys back off at school/per-school after holiday. Both being pretty unkind to me which I won't tolerate but can appreciate its basis. It's a fine line that I'm walking.
Ds2 starts gymnastics today. I'm hoping that it will help him strengthen his wobbly legs and give him an outlet for his physicality and need to jump/climb/balance.
As for me, I need to start my long list of phone calls as I start to try and get ds2 back on the straight and narrow health wise.
Ds2's room was at 21 degrees still last night as we have a fairly modern house. I was really hot! Usually like Autumn too, but have my dh's wedding and my birthday to get through before Christmas.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 23-Sep-13 14:32:32

SoTU I hope you get help for your DS2 and that the gym help.

Cp glad I could help thanks for taking off me tired

DD2's preschool is going to ask for a SALT referral for her. They should come to see her at playschool and determine if she needs a proper referral or if we can wait and see...
She is making progress though, but dropping beginnings or endings of words: mato, nana, tuter (computer) but we have to-mango! (she knows there is a to somewhere it would seem)
We will see I don't believe it is the multilinguism and her teachers don't either, so a step forward ?

stoofadoof Tue 24-Sep-13 07:17:29

grin JF you've not seen our house!!!! honestly, I'm quite ashamed some days!!! it's clean (--mostly--) but needs a shed load of work, the wallpaper's been off in the kitchen for 2.5 years whilst we deal with some damp, and it all needs decorating, we re-puttied the windows a couple of weeks ago (georgian sliding sash) and hoping we can get the paint on them before it gets too cold/wet… aside from the veg patch, the garden's barely tidy, but it's home! can't grow sprouts here - the rabbits fell them just as they're getting ready grin tried yellow beetroot this year, which i was really looking forward to, but the mice have had every single last one of them!

DD back to docs today, really don't want any of us relying on tablets to get her to sleep, but at end of tether…

<hugs>sotu mous

Very impressed with all the harvesting and preserving going on in your house, stoof!

Sorry for being a bit quiet here - not much to report, really. I've booked to look round our two local primaries before I put in my application for DD. They were both oversubscribed last year, but we fall a few hundred metres inside the longest distance from which they took a pupil last year, so I don't think we should have a problem. And the one I'm currently favouring is only round the corner, anyway..

Survival lots of love to you - sorry the boys are being mean to you, but as you say, it's easy to understand where it's coming from (but still no fun). Good luck with the health research...

I'm starting to think about what I would like to do work-wise once the DC are both at school and I'm increasingly attracted to the idea of counselling, especially wrt anxiety-type disorders. Trouble is the amount of time to retrain...any words of wisdom from any of you?

Sorry mous you've probably got one of my periods - haven't really had any proper ones since the coil was fitted (no complaints here!)

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Tue 24-Sep-13 16:59:22

IC I wish I had word of wisdom, I need to retrain too, I absolutely have no idea where to start at least you have an idea! I think I need an advisor/coach thingy but don't know where to start either...

good luck with the school!

ClimbingPenguin Tue 24-Sep-13 22:05:27

Start scouting around now and when DS is in nursery you'll have time to do training

SconesForTea Tue 24-Sep-13 22:24:29

Hi everyone I've been struggling to keep up but we have given ourselves a rare evening off our to-do list (apart from DH starting on some kitchen shelves earlier this evening. We should really be working for my local client, too tired).

We were in Cornwall at the same time as Survival and met up briefly, it was lovely. That was a rare sunny half-day, the rest of the week it mainly poured. It always does seem to when we are on holiday (probably because we always holiday in the UK hmm).

CP, how is DD's finger?

stoof I hope you get help for DD soon. She sounds in a terrible twist. I am in utter awe of your produce and your preserving. That is exactly how I see myself one day: eating my own veges for Christmas (and many other) dinner(s). Maybe when the girls are older.... That seems to be my answer to everything.

JF sorry you were feeling down, I must admit the prospect of living to advanced old age doesn't fill me with gladness. I have seen too many older relatives living very sad lives in old age to look forward to it.

IC well done for thinking about schools, I am aware that I have to do something about it but I haven't got as far as working out what. I suppose I am still waiting for someone to write to me to tell me what to do. But they don't?

Mous great news re the SALT referral. Any developments your end?

Career change, hmm.... Well I would need a career to change it. I am applying for a couple of part-time finance jobs this week but hold out little hope as I don't have the relevant experience. I am starting to wonder if the only way I will get a job is to go full time. Even then the salary won't be brilliant, but would at least cover childcare. I worry about the impact on the girls though. I know that some children are in childcare from an early age and seem fine; but going from being at home FT to being in childcare FT is a big step. So I do seem to find myself in the position of staying at home, for their benefit; or working, for mine. I have been SAH (obviously) but I am getting so stressed with them every day; would I and they be better off if I worked FT? Or is that a total delusion? I am not a morning person and am very tired every day as it is; and it would be very long days for them in childcare. I don't know what to do, but I am tired of being at home and tired of being so skint all the time. I have basically cancelled Christmas; can't afford it.

stoofadoof Wed 25-Sep-13 07:06:41

IC it's free food (aside from the sugar and vinegar!) and makes a LOT of christmas gifts!!! grin i guess it's also what we both grew up with… career change? dunno… one of my besties career changed into counselling after her husband left her and two boys (when she was 40ish) - she started volunteering with relate… 20 years later she retired from senior position with NHS… so I guess her path was volunteer, train and then work based learning / day release…. another friend is currently career changing into occupational therapy, but no kids so has just chucked herself into FT uni course (though incredibly skint now!)

scones gtg sort breakfast for everyone now, but will be back later!

Volunteering is a good shout, stoof!
I could probably stretch to a 12-week OU Introduction To Counselling course (might get help with fees, in any case) which would be a good way to find out if it's truly want I want to do before throwing too much time and money at it. It would also set me up to continue with more focused courses subsequently.

Scones it's a dilemma, for sure. But the children are getting older now and I think you could really do with some time working for someone other than your own offspring. A decent nursery wouldn't do them any harm, as I'm sure other working mums on this thread will testify!

ScienceRocks Thu 26-Sep-13 17:20:47

Doing dinner so can't say much but wanted to mark my place and will return soon thanks to all.

ClimbingPenguin Fri 27-Sep-13 20:17:45

well mine had had a full time parent while April, and they are doing really well.

JewelFairies Sat 28-Sep-13 10:30:16

CP But your two were familiar with the nursery when you went back to work even if they hadn't been for a few weeks beforehand.

ClimbingPenguin Sat 28-Sep-13 13:58:41

one afternoon a week and they hadn't been for a 4 months. They never really got used it as it was too infrequent (well DS was better than DD)

DD1 is already familiar and DD2 wouldn't take long doing full time exposure. I did a few weeks of 3 days and it was a lot harder than full time.

JewelFairies Sun 29-Sep-13 21:41:07

I know, just meant to say your two had some exposure to nursery. I think it would be hard for a child to go from always at home to full time.

stoof Thought of you today when my six year old shouted in the park 'I hate this world!' sad

iC That OU course sounds good. As does volunteering. I did the same (sitting on a committee unpaid) and it has helped my return to work in terms of confidence as well as some cracking references. Having said that, I am not one to ask when it comes to changing career. I tried to change direction but ended up full circle back at what my initial interest was... smile.

Waving to everyone else. My bed is calling... Alarm will go off at 5.53. One drawback of early mornings is that cold air and rushing is not good for my asthma.

ScienceRocks Sun 29-Sep-13 22:29:54

I know it's not the same thing at all as stoof, but my dd1 is a complete handful at the moment. So angry. Everything has to be on her terms, otherwise she goes into meltdown sad

JewelFairies Mon 30-Sep-13 09:40:15

SR I wonder what is going on at that age because those of us with 6/7 year olds seem to report similar problems but different severity. I've had tantrums including lying on the floor kicking and screaming, with dd2 looking on in surprise.

ClimbingPenguin Tue 01-Oct-13 20:49:48

My mother always insists there is a thing at 7 akin to terrible twos or teenagers

ClimbingPenguin Tue 01-Oct-13 20:53:43

Dd has been discharged to GP now but still needs dressing changed twice a week. Well more as it falls apart a little but they have been giving me spare stuff. Have to say my last effort was better than some of the nurses.

JewelFairies Tue 01-Oct-13 21:59:34

Come to think of it, I was a little pest at 7/8 blush

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Wed 02-Oct-13 07:53:42

Really? In France 7 is "l'age de raison" i.e when children start to behave and think. (reasoning age?) You get your 1st real watch because you are responsible enough (and usually can read the time) to take care of it.

All DD1's friends where lovely and polite even the ones tantruming like mad until 5/6. I like 6, 7 and 8 yo they are sweet, funny and have great ideas. They do start to have adult feelings and thoughts that they can't really express very well though.
DD1 is worse at home when something happen at school that she can't control and it can takes weeks of brewing before it comes out in words.

The clever ones also realise that the adults/parents and teachers, don't know everything and are not completely in control either, which scares them. You are normally suppose to realise that when you are in your teens and have the maturity and will to get on with it (and it is good for you to do it).

1 to 1 time with DD1 is always good, leave the lo with dad and a girls day out. Shopping mall, pizza, park, picnic, cinema (it is SO expensive in the UK shock), museum... last one we took the bus to visit a castle. Time to talk, play and explore.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Wed 02-Oct-13 08:11:04

Actually hearing the tantrum going on with DH I swap your 6 yo for my 3 yo anytime hmm

ScienceRocks Wed 02-Oct-13 09:08:59

Mous, you are very wise. Thanks for the advice (and reasoning). thanks

How are you?

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 03-Oct-13 12:51:41

SR flowers
Not sure how I am. I do probably need help sorting my life. NOt sure where to start.

Shall I get on the school governing body (or at least try to be elected?) or is it pointless because I am "forrin"?

ScienceRocks Thu 03-Oct-13 20:18:46

Yes Mous, do it! I have found being a governor slightly terrifying but really interesting.

And voluntary work always bolsters a cv...

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 07-Oct-13 13:34:56

SR why terrifying?

DD2 is counting in welsh grin no idea of the real pronunciation though!

JewelFairies Mon 07-Oct-13 18:25:07

I also own a Welsh speaking (mainly singing) dd2. She likes winding me up with it because she knows I'd rather have her speak German!

JewelFairies Mon 07-Oct-13 19:00:44

SC and Mous... I've just realised you are talking about being a governor, not part of the parents' association (or PITA as I like to call it). I did wonder why you would put yourself through it grin. Now also understand why you were stressed about Ofsted inspection SR. What does being a governor involve?

ScienceRocks Mon 07-Oct-13 19:24:19

I do PTA too (general do-gooder that I am). I'm secretary, though am about to stand down after two years.

Being a governor is terrifying in terms of the responsibility and accountability. I am named health and safety governor, and also on the curriculum committee. I have really enjoyed getting to grips with all the policies, but sometimes the enormity of it feels overwhelming and it has taken me a year to even vaguely feel like I know what I am doing! Takes up quite a bit of time too.

And yes, that's why I was stressed about ofsted! I was called in to talk to the inspector and was also one of the governors present for the result. It really felt like a huge responsibility.

But it is hugely rewarding, especially if the governing body is open and supportive (as it is at dd2's nursery school). Great experience too.

stoofadoof Tue 08-Oct-13 07:31:20

scones <getting back MUCH later than originally intended!!> my first question to you was going to be can OH take on some of the childcare? how it's turned out in our house is I've been FT since DS was 11 weeks, and OH was at home for 18 months, then he went into PT work…. I'm sorry I can't remember enough about everyone to know if that's even remotely possible, but wondered if it's something you've even begun to think of? the other thing would be about doing some volunteering? at least one of the DD's will be getting free hours now I think? or even what about taking an evening class in something that you find interesting (pottery, guitar, spanish, whatever) that would give you some time for yourself if getting back to work isn't working out at pres… round here a full term of evening classes for someone in work is around £25 depending on which course (those with 'qualifications' are more expensive obv) and I thought of you when I looked at the brochure for someone at work the other day - there are some short classes in 'gifts for christmas' ;-)

mous SR JF I too think there's something that happens around 6/7 - i've definitely noticed it amongst friends and colleagues with DC's the same age… I think the thing with DD is that she has all that going on, but is even less able to deal with it than usual cos of the anxiety stuff…

met with play therapist yesterday - lovely and starting some work with DD tom - two sessions a week here at home… put my mind at rest a bit and explained how DD is stuck in stupid brain and can't get back to clever brain for some reason - all made perfect sense and also helped me understand that we're definitely not making a mountain out of a molehill and what DD is going through isn't the usual for everyone…. has to be said there's been a lot of 'helpful' suggestions from family friends and colleagues like 'she just needs some clearer boundaries, you've been too soft, you're pandering, ooh I know you just want to kill them at that age don't you'

also got her camhs appt on friday, but i don't imagine for a moment they will accord her any clinical priority when there are kids harming themselves etc so don't expect anything further after the initial appointment and some recommended parental reading! grin

work really cack at pres, got some v complex and v sad cases ongoing.. best get off!

JewelFairies Tue 08-Oct-13 17:59:21

So how is everyone's heating situation? Have you succumbed yet? I've only had the heating on once so far to test if the ancient boiler is willing to wake up, but apart from that it's been too mild. Did buy four bags of coal though (100kg! It's the minimum our coal man will deliver), so ready for the ice age apparently starting at midnight tonight if the radio can be believed. Dd1 keeps asking if I can please put the heating on and mean mummy tells her to put some clothes on instead. The classrooms at school are boiling so they tend to come home in polo shirts/shirts.

No heating yet, JF!! We almost succumbed when it got chilly in the middle of September, but no need for the moment. Hoorah, we deserve a mild autumn after that freezing Spring....

Ah, Mous, clearly the secret of well-behaved 7 year-olds is to give them a watch!
<makes note to remember this in a few years time>

stoof I'd be very interested to hear how the play therapy goes! Good for you for sorting it out.

We've just changed from three afternoon sessions at nursery for DD to one full day and an afternoon, starting next week. It'll be interesting to see how she does. Especially at lunch, given how picky she can be...

DD and DS have both had croup, although fingers crossed it's subsided into normal coughs and colds now. Two nights ago I had three trips into our shower room to get some steam, first one with DD then two with DS shortly afterward. DS has been worst with it, bless him. He's usually quite stalwart with illnesses, and he's still smiling and laughing, but on a very short fuse because of his tiredness with the disturbed nights....right on cue, he's just woken up coughing....

stoofadoof Wed 09-Oct-13 07:22:27

no heating yet! grin though we have had the fire & stove lit a few times…

oh dear IC

and mous cake brew thanks

stoofadoof Wed 09-Oct-13 07:23:36

JF our school have finally been getting a new heating system fitted the last few weeks, so school has been much of a muchness with home (ie toasty jumpers and tights!!)

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Wed 09-Oct-13 07:28:17

1/2h in the morning and fire at night. Mainly because it is too damp.
School is boiling.
SR I help the PTA too.

SconesForTea Sat 12-Oct-13 09:24:41

It's cold now, isn't it? Brrrrrrrrrr. I cycled into town in the pouring rain yesterday without gloves - all downhill so freewheeling through the freezing rain - I thought my hands might fall off. Note to self: wear gloves.

I have a job!! One of the positions I don't have relevant experience for, came good grin Well the MD more or less admitted that I was the only applicant and he is desperate, but hey smile It's three days a week, doesn't pay much and is quite a long drive for a scared driver (40mins each way) but IT'S A JOB!!! I am really hoping that I can be a nicer and less shouty mum to the girls now I won't be with them every day.

I have also agreed to be a Trustee for a friend's charity, and now there will be a little bit of money coming in I am determined to take piano lessons and start playing again.

Get well soon to your DCs, IC.

Glad your DD is getting the help she needs, stoof.

Everyone have a good weekend. It's not raining at the moment!!!!!

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sat 12-Oct-13 09:58:32

Wah! Congratulations scones that is brilliant!

ScienceRocks Sat 12-Oct-13 12:25:57

Great news Scones! When do you start?

JewelFairies Sat 12-Oct-13 21:40:52

Scones Congratulations! Have you got childcare sorted?

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sun 13-Oct-13 08:35:43

just woken to a DD1 in uniform rummaging for her skirt! grin at least now I know she can do it without prompting!

JewelFairies Sun 13-Oct-13 13:10:58


SurvivalOfTheUnfittest Mon 14-Oct-13 22:31:15

Quick lurk.. Well done Scones and good luck with the CAMHS appt Stoof. I also experience the wise words of friends and relatives and know how you feel.

Yay Scones - that's great news..!!! So pleased for you! I reckon it will do you the power of good, even if it makes certain aspects of your life a tad more complicated....

I'm feeling slightly more human again after a week of awful sleep because of poor old DS's cold - which caused even more night waking than the croup. He's still a bit snotty now, but much better and his appetite is almost back to normal. But DD has got another cold now, so I've been up with her a couple of times the last couple of nights (but not so much - at least she responds well to a dose of anti-histamine-containing cough mixture. Although in desperation, I ended up giving DS anti-h to help him sleep better - and it worked).

I'm most impressed with the parent governor work by you people!!

Our heating is now on for an hour or two in the morning and in the evening. Ah well.

While I was putting DS down for his nap today, DD needed a wee, so fetched her potty, did the deed, wiped, emptied the results in the toilet (without spilling anything), swooshed it out with water (ditto), washed and dried her hands then took the step stool to the larder and helped herself to a single chocolate button (which she now gets provided she wipes and hand-washes after her wee). I expect many of your DC are similarly self-reliant, but I was most impressed by DD's business-like approach (and amused at her doling out her own reward..!!).

Incidentally, DD's still on 2xsachets of Movicol per day, but has started self-initiating more often. If this trend continues and becomes more entrenched, I reckon we can finally start reducing the dose. She's been on the laxative programme for almost a year now....

ClimbingPenguin Thu 17-Oct-13 20:33:54

I might have hidden this thread and now need to work out how to unhide it blush

Scones brilliant news, and glad you sound happy about it. Can you have an extra half day childcare?

IC sounding positive with DD

I have to say DD is going through a lovely stage atm. It is nice to be able to trust her walking about etc and only worrying about DS darting off.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Wed 23-Oct-13 05:10:51

CP did you managed to unhide?

DH is snoring away happily I could kill him, so tired...

IC that sounds like good progress!

Scones how is the job?

<waves to all>

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Wed 23-Oct-13 06:30:55

Gah, F@&* british houses there is nowhere to escape the snoring! angry

JewelFairies Fri 25-Oct-13 20:41:53

Mous, or coughing. Poor dd2 is really not well and with hindsight I should maybe have taken her to see a GP this week.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sat 26-Oct-13 17:10:52

JF how is she today?

JewelFairies Sat 26-Oct-13 20:34:28

Better, mous. Did feel awful yesterday when I asked for advice in two pharmacies and they both said they thought she should be seen by a doctor (she coughed on cue to prove how poorly she felt). She had a good sleep last night and has been cheerful today despite the long drive home. Think I got away with it this time.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sat 26-Oct-13 20:45:06

Glad to hear she is better!
DD1 got up at nearly 10 this morning shock, she was a 4 am baby there is hope for you all around the corner!

ScienceRocks Sun 27-Oct-13 09:18:03


JewelFairies Sun 27-Oct-13 14:09:04

dd2 is stomping around upstairs shouting that things were so much better in the olden days... grin. Considering she is 3 1/2 I wonder when that was.

rainbowweaver Mon 28-Oct-13 08:52:59

How's the storm in your area? We had a windy night but now all more or less normal. Had a BFP last night, wasn't expecting it as I thought we had missed the window this month. But did a 10k run yesterday morning and felt rather breathless, plus period was late (but cycle had been erratic recently). So got a test yesterday. Excited smile but still coming to grips with it!

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 28-Oct-13 09:08:09

Rainbow fab news!
Pretty quiet here trees still standing and lots of rain but we are on top of the hill and haven't been out yet... Still windy and rainy
Hope everybody is fine!

JewelFairies Mon 28-Oct-13 10:20:40

Rainbow Wow, fantastic news!

Not much to report from here. Lots of rain but I didn't even wake in the night. No obvious travel problems either although I have delayed driving this morning (and now find it difficult to get myself into gear at all...).

ScienceRocks Mon 28-Oct-13 17:41:35

Rainbow, how exciting!

Wind and rain here too, but all fine. I hate the wind (and it is very noisy where we live, on a hill!) so I made sure to go to sleep before it started.

Nothing much to report here either. I don't feel like I am coping very well with the DDs (particularly DD1) so I have bought some parenting books in the vain hope that they will help. A bit teary today, but will shake it off soon.

rainbowweaver Mon 28-Oct-13 22:22:48

Thanks! Will now have another test just in case....

Feel somewhat cheated of a hurricane after all the build up. But it seems to have hit other places really badly.

science sorry to hear that. What's happened today?

stoofadoof Tue 29-Oct-13 07:08:54

<quick wave>

stoofadoof Tue 29-Oct-13 07:09:15

whoop rainbow

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Tue 29-Oct-13 07:57:43

Are you OK SR?

JF how is dd2?

After going out of the house the road down is a stream, the village at the bottom was flooded and there was also a landslide blocking the way to the main town, which made for an interesting cross country ride, nothing that a detour can't sort! (If you have been living there as long as DH I would have been completely lost!)

JewelFairies Tue 29-Oct-13 17:50:16

Dd2 is better and has passed on her cough to dd1 grin

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 31-Oct-13 18:13:38

I have a "catowl" going: meow hoohoo! supercute

JewelFairies Thu 31-Oct-13 22:09:55


SconesForTea Fri 01-Nov-13 06:45:49

Hi everyone, I feel like I have dropped off our thread, no time no time, it makes me sad.

Rainbow that is fab news, did you test again? How do you feel?

SR what's up the DD s? You do do much, with being a governor snd PTA and work and your parents. Is DH being supportive?

JF hope illnesses are better?

Mous how is your school governing going? And how is DD2? Any joy with DH too?

CP saw that you have weaned DS. How does it feel? We are a long way off weaning I think. I'm in no rush actually as it's my last link to her being a baby. In a way I wish I was still feeding DD1, it would give us a connection.

SconesForTea Fri 01-Nov-13 06:57:54

stoof hope work has improved, and how is DD?

I have NOT been coping with DD1. Our relationship is pretty dire. We are trying to ensure that I get 20mins golden time with her every day, we have only just instigated this and certainly haven't seen any benefits yet. I know it is s long term project. I just feel totally snd utterly worn out by her. Every day she has at least one meltdown, usually in the morning which are now rushed and stressed. My answer is to get up even earlier, go to work earlier (leaving the house before my previous waking up time, in fact) leaving DH to take them to childcare. I honestly feel at the end of my tether. I had a sobbing fit over dinner last night because DH hadn't got me a birthday card. I am so flipping tired. I know I need to go to bed earlier, but how?? There is always so much to do in the evenings, or we are socialising at the weekend. Out tonight for my birthday, I am dead on my feet but will perk up once we get to the pub and drink too much. I have been looking forward to tonight for ages, I am not cancelling (sensible option). Then a family psrty for DD2 on Saturday, lots of work, and Sunday I am working all day for a friend (earning very good money I can't turn down but it will be a looooong day).

SconesForTea Fri 01-Nov-13 06:58:33

I should be getting ready for work! !

ScienceRocks Fri 01-Nov-13 10:20:54

Scones, are you enjoying the new job? I understand the whole end of tether thing. It sounds a bit like you are doing too much. Will the social life calm down soon? Sorry things are difficult with dd1. I had a very similar spell with my dd1 at this age, and it definitely settled down when she went to school. I appreciate this is a long time off at the moment, but hang in there!

ScienceRocks Fri 01-Nov-13 10:22:18

Oh, and let stuff go in the evening Scones. Or get a cleaner so you don't have so much to do! It sounds like it will be money well spent if you are so knackered that you are crying.

In the meantime, have some thanks and brew x

JewelFairies Fri 01-Nov-13 14:05:23

Scones. What SR said - give yourself a break! It will take a little while to get used to your new routine. I'm just about there after two months in my new job. I get up at 5.45 to leave the house at 6.30! Most of the housework simply has to wait until the weekends and then dh and I share it.

JewelFairies Sat 02-Nov-13 11:34:26

I'm rocking the Halloween look again this year after finally succumbing to a cold virus. I'm white as a sheet, red nose, straggly hair... While dh takes the girls to a much anticipated birthday party incl lunch and then champagne and cake <sulks>
On the plus side, I get a lot of 'me' time today while sulking in bed. If my head didn't hurt so much I'd watch a film.

JewelFairies Sat 02-Nov-13 11:35:50

Wow, I sent a message from the future at 11.34. Or maybe I'm delirious.

JewelFairies Sat 02-Nov-13 11:42:09

Okay, I'm officially spooked. The clocks around me all show different times. My phone says 11.12, my alarm clock 11.41, desk clock 12.23...

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sat 02-Nov-13 15:48:37

There is something spooky in your town with the clocks JF we went today to the museum there and the clocks were all different too confused...

JewelFairies Sat 02-Nov-13 16:42:29


JewelFairies Sat 02-Nov-13 17:58:14

Mous hope you got home okay. It's howling out there. My lot aren't back yet, must be a good party (sulks some more).

JewelFairies Sun 03-Nov-13 02:19:25

I've sorted the clocks out and most of them now have the same time - in this case 2:18. Except my phone which is half an hour behind.

Sorry I haven't popped in for a while...
<marking place, back soon>

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 04-Nov-13 12:18:00

waves to IC.
I am here between power cuts and router malfunctions!

JewelFairies Mon 04-Nov-13 14:35:01

I'm here too. Dh refused to let me go to work today so I've slept all day. Just got up to collect the girls from school (dd2 finishes at 3).

ScienceRocks Mon 04-Nov-13 16:38:37

I'm here too.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 04-Nov-13 20:11:14

JF I hope you feel better soon, sounds more than a cold though take care!

JewelFairies Mon 04-Nov-13 20:16:58

Mous - It's quite similar to Christmas when I had flu (the real thing), including it coming on very quickly, having excruiciating pain in my legs and back, and not being able to get out of bed for nearly three days. Would be just my luck... I'm calling it a bad cold and plan to go to work tomorrow (where's the 'stupid' emoticon?).

rainbowweaver Tue 05-Nov-13 04:53:33

Also here, haven't done the 2nd test yet, scones.

jewel Glad your DH made you stay at home. When you're that tired, you just need to sleep. My birthday was also on Sunday and felt tired, so rested the whole day and celebrated at home instead of going out to celebrate. Felt much better yesterday!

scones you should see if you can sleep early too! maybe when the kids sleep!

SconesForTea Tue 05-Nov-13 07:18:22

Yep I know that half (or more) of the problem is that I have no reserves whatsoever. Like many parents, I'm running on empty. But there always seems to be so much to do in the evenings! The to-do list grows ever longer... which I also find stressful.. I love ticking things off a list smile

Happy birthday rainbow, I missed that on FB. No wonder you're tired, in your condition grin Spending the day in bed sounds like utter heaven. I mainly cooked and cleaned (and was a grumpy lunch guest to poor DSis).


SconesForTea Tue 05-Nov-13 07:21:13

I REALLY hope you are NOT at work today! Your cold sounds extremely bad and your body needs to recover - you know that <wags finger> Aren't you interacting with the elderly too?

SconesForTea Tue 05-Nov-13 07:25:53

Thanks everyone for your kind words. The crisis isn't over yet (I felt very down yesterday morning and unable to cope with the girls) but I hope we've put steps in place to deal with it. A longer day and earlier start for me (only 15 mins later than your 5.45, JF, how do you do it?!) , a longer day in childcare for the girls, but hopefully fewer screaming fits in the mornings.

DD2 is 2! I'm a bit in shock.

JewelFairies Tue 05-Nov-13 07:46:07

Scones - no I'm not at work today... Got up earlier and realised there was no way I could get dressed and drive down the motorway for an hour in pouring rain. I've coughed all night and I'm still so achey that I can't stand up straight. Whatever this is, it's nasty. I haven't been ill since Christmas so I guess I was due something hideous.

JewelFairies Tue 05-Nov-13 07:48:31

Rainbow - happy birthday! :-)

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Tue 05-Nov-13 07:53:11

JF I was going to say flu... Stay in bed!

Rainbow Happy Bday!

Scone, Good luck.

JewelFairies Tue 05-Nov-13 11:19:54

Beats me how I could ever think of going to work today. I can't even get dressed... confused

JewelFairies Tue 05-Nov-13 11:36:43

Beats me how I could ever think of going to work today. I can't even get dressed... confused

JewelFairies Tue 05-Nov-13 13:41:28

Oops, double post.
I've now had a shower and got dressed grin

JewelFairies Tue 05-Nov-13 16:17:33

What's happened to CP, are you still around?

rainbowweaver Wed 06-Nov-13 01:18:48

Well done for staying in bed jf!

Thanks all for the birthday wishes. DD made me several cards, which I will carefully stow away. smile

ClimbingPenguin Wed 06-Nov-13 21:59:26

erm still around (just) but haven't worked out how to unhide the thread yet. Just found it by going into my internet history.

rainbow huge congrats and lots of fingers crossed for you

scones happy b'day to DD. Sounds like you have some plans to put in place so i'm assuming a good convo happened with DH?

Have you had the new HV check yet? We had ours same week as parents evening at nursery. I'm sorry if it is bad form to brag, but DS came out above average in all areas, including the one we half ticked could only do somtimes (fine motor skills - it is the area I have neglected with both of mine, but especially once there were two of them). His key worker thinks he is a genius. He is bright, but I think it comes out more as his speech is pretty good. However, I think he will be cleverer enough to realise not to look it grin

JF hope you are resting. I had a day at home due to bad asthma, I remember having a grand notion that I would just work in bed as it was only walking around I couldn't do. 6 hours laters I woke up. Asthma is still not great, even with new inhaler. At least one episode a week, normally 2 or 3. Then again, if I didn't go out running it might be better. Am fed up of it affecting day to day life and exercise. though. Hope you don't pull anything coughing and if you do, get good painkillers

Work going mostly well. I enjoy it but my workload has got a bit silly so need to bring that up with my manager which i am procastinating about as don't want to appear shit. I know I have more than others, mostly because I am split between divisions but still feels like failure. My direct line manager is really good and I can be me around that team. My supervisor in another area is a bit shit though.

anyway enough about me, because frankly, that is always boring. Hope everyone else comes along and continues chatting, especially as rainbow has reappeared

JewelFairies Thu 07-Nov-13 09:16:49

Good to have you back CP. Your job sounds generally fine but the work load is a problem. And I don't like the sound of your asthma!! Get yourself checked out again for that!
I saw a GP friend this morning when I dropped the girls off at school and he said from what I describe (sudden onset, pain in legs and back, not getting out of bed for four straight days...) it sounds like I have proper flu. How lucky is that to get real flu twice within a year and not be ill in between? Wonder why I bother getting the flu vaccinations when I manage to get the strains not included in the jab.
I'm mostly out of bed now but everything I do brings me out in a cold sweat and I have to lie down for a bit. I've pretty much written this week off work-wise.

JewelFairies Thu 07-Nov-13 11:17:06

Do any of your dc who still need a nappy at night show any sign of not needing it? dd2 is desperate to get rid of her nappy but it is soaking wet each morning which makes her a little sad. I have explained to her that it's not something she can do at will and that her body is not quite ready yet.

JewelFairies Thu 07-Nov-13 13:49:30

CP Forgot to say grin to your ds. He sounds like a smart cookie grin

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 07-Nov-13 15:16:13

DD2 was almost always dried before we moved but now she is almost always wet in the morning, we will keep with the nappies (she doesn't care it is part of her night time outfit) as long as possible because it is impossible to wash and dry bedsheets quickly enough here.
She is in Lidl size 6 pull ups, cheap and looks like pants.
If your DD is still in proper nappies you could change for those or similar instead, less baby like or the big girls 4 to 8 yo night time pants (more expensive, is it huggies or pampers?)

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 07-Nov-13 15:18:33

those they are definitely more expensive but because your DD2 mind she might accept more easily a product design for bigger girls.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 07-Nov-13 15:24:04

Last word promise! Show them to her because they go up to 15 yo so she shouldn't feel bad about it...

ScienceRocks Thu 07-Nov-13 16:16:20

CP, there is a school of thought that taking nappies off at night speeds up night dryness because otherwise the night nappies wick away the moisture and the child can't feel the wetness. However, I think this is bobbins, and that ADH levels have to be adequately high before night dryness can happen. I have been very lucky with my two that they have more or less done night and day dryness at the same time, but dd1 (aged seven) has several friends who aren' there yet. One of my mum chums persists in putting her ds1 in pyjamas only, mainly because his younger brother is dry at night, but she ends up washing sheets and drying mattresses almost every day. Each to their own, but I'm not sure I would be as calm with all that as she is!

So this is a very roundabout way of saying that I think that you are doing exactly the right thing. Reassure her that it will come in time, and carry on as you are while her nappy is soaked in the morning.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 07-Nov-13 16:58:32

SR that is weird because DD2 is waking up in the morning when she pees, she is just already peeing instead of waking up before she needs to go. I could wake up before her and get her to go, I suppose ... [where is the tired emoticon?]

ScienceRocks Thu 07-Nov-13 17:22:04

Do you lift her when you go to bed, mous? Sometimes that is enough to make them wake up before they need to go in the morning (when they are sleeping less deeply anyway), otherwise their bladder is so full first thing that they don't quite make it.

Or it might just take a little more time, but it sounds as though she is on her way.

I should say that my two were probably helped by the fact that they weren't great drinkers, so they probably didn't have much to pass anyway!

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 07-Nov-13 17:23:08

Do any of you have a simple book about friendship (changes..) DD2 is very sad (her very sad face is a story by itself) because her only friend doesn't want to play with her. She talks about her a lot and bring her gifts, flowers tree branches, I think it is because of the difference of speech, she can't play properly unless it is hide and seek type of games or babies. She has never mind with anybody before.
I tried to explain that she might have prefer to play with a boy today but she is not not her friend anymore. DD2 doesn't seem to get it.

rainbowweaver Fri 08-Nov-13 00:01:05

sad had a search round and found this list of free ebooks, some of which look suitable from their descriptions. There's a worst best friend title, who wanted to play with someone else. Maybe if you have some time, play even more with her leading the play? Then she has an alternative to her friend.

On the night dryness side, a couple of times when I had travelled DD started wetting again when I came back, we took her to wee in the middle of the night for a couple of days and talked about what happened when the bed got wet, and that seemed to solve it. I think it's a decision they make. It may be more convenient to wee in bed in the morning when you wake up, esp if wearing a nappy rather than having to wake up. (I had a feeling that was a factor a couple of times with DD). May not be the case all the time though...

cp a couple of times when I had too much to do I just prioritied what I would focus on and told my boss that I would do X, and do Y on best effort, and ignore Z. so that he had the chance to comment / change. This mean you've already thought of the solution and just want to agree priorities with her/him....

Accidentally pressed the register button on mumsnet and found out they're not accepting new registrations!

rainbowweaver Fri 08-Nov-13 00:01:50
rainbowweaver Fri 08-Nov-13 01:40:14

cp Just saw you have 2 managers, so speak to the direct line manager first and tell her/him that you also intend to speak to the other one. Also best you speak to both yourself....

jf DD also didn't want to wear nappies so we talked to her and agreed that she will not wear nappies to bed if she was dry in the morning 30 days in a row. (In reality we didn't reach 30 days in a row) once we were comfortable she would be dry she was out of nappies. We did tell her that as soon as she wet again (in the beginning) that she would be back in nappies. No threats though, just logical discussion and reasons. It seems to work so far!

Having a bizarre beef craving....

stoofadoof Fri 08-Nov-13 09:36:07


now on day 7 of sickness/diarrhoea bug…. urgh… it goes away and I have a day of feeling worn out but not being ill, then it comes back again… i thought i'd got through it as not ill since tuesday, but i've been up for hours through the night again….

hoping i manage not to pass it on to the rest of them (touch wood all ok so far)


more soon

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 08-Nov-13 09:45:04

stoof how awful! Have you been to the GP? If it doesn't go on its own there is a chance it is not viral, and would explain why you are not spreading it too. It can be bacterial or parasitic and you might need some medicine. Take care. Hope it passes soon.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 08-Nov-13 09:46:55

rainbow I had beef cravings with DD2 too, probably iron deficiency.
thanks for the link.

rainbowweaver Sat 09-Nov-13 00:35:07

You're right. Pretty certain it is iron deficiency. Taking iron tablets, when I remember....

JewelFairies Tue 12-Nov-13 18:15:49

Hope you are doing alright rainbow smile. Must admit that the thought (never mind the real thing) of the first trimester tiredness nearly finishes me off... wink. I keep that in mind when I see my colleague with bump and two other colleagues with newborns.

Stoof Hope you are fully recovered and haven't had any setbacks.

I went to work for the first time in ten days and coped okay. Still easily exhausted and can't wait for a lie down...

SconesForTea Wed 13-Nov-13 19:33:35

Glad you're over the worst JF. It definitely sounds like proper flu. You must be very unlucky to keep catching non-vaccination strains shock

I have got the girls to bed after one of the worst bedtimes ever: spilt water, spilt liquid vitamins everywhere, DD2 bitten tongue and blood everywhere, DD1 fell and hurt her back. Chaos and screaming. First solo bedtime in a while as DH is working late, I'm shaking from the stress now. Is it just that we're all really knackered? ! I should be downstairs getting dinner and washing on but feel unable to move from my bed.

Rainbow do try to rest whenever you can. Second pgsare sooooo exhausting . And the 1st tritrimester is definitely the worst (imo).

stoof seen on FB you're feeling better, thank goodness, sounds truly appalling.

Mous sorry about friend , sad

Gotts go

SconesForTea Thu 14-Nov-13 13:28:23

CP really sorry to hear that your asthma is so bad sad

We had the new HV check, DD2 couldn't do everything which I thought was fine. But the (very lovely) HV seemed insistent that she could and kept trying to make her thread beads or line up blocks. Also she was concerned that DD2 has dropped to 25th for height. Wants to check up on her in 3 months. Fine, I have no problem with that, but do wonder if it's a good use of their time and resources. I was very short til a teenager.

At DD2's check I mentioned at some length my concerns about/problems with DD1. The HV thinks I am depressed. DD1 iz having a developmental check at home tomorrow. I think any problems are mainly mine, actually, and if DD1 had a more chilled out mother her behaviour would improve. I am trying, but by God I find it so hard sometimes. Being at work is so, so so much easier. Just the mornings and evenings are now majorly stressful.

SconesForTea Thu 14-Nov-13 13:33:37

I make resolutions to be a better mother, then something happens, and I lose it. It's like my fuse is so short, it's not even a fuse at all. I hate being so shouty, so why can't I stop it? I have told myself to count to 5 before shouting but in the heat of the moment I don't remember. I don't want DD1 to remember her childhood as scary sad But often, she totally IGNORES me until I lose it and shout. Not blaming her, she is 3 and I am the adult. But it is really infuriating.

ScienceRocks Thu 14-Nov-13 18:38:53

Scones, I hear you on the shouty mummy thing. I have been reading " how to calm a challenging child" and "happy, easier, calmer parenting" (or something along those lines, I can never remember the order the adjectives go in). I get it while reading, and vow to put it into practice, but then it doesn't quite go to plan and I end up shouting and then feeling even worse than I would do usually because I have failed sad

Still, better to read and try, than carry on. Dd1's behaviour has definitely improved overall as a result of my (mostly failed) efforts.

The developmental check for your dd1 sounds a good idea, and it seems as thought they are keen to keep an eye on dd2, which is also good. Glad you saw a good HV.

What are you going to do about the possible depression? I know ADs are scary, but they can make a huge difference. It's an illness, you know, and you wouldn't think twice about taking antibiotics for a chest infection...

Anyway, have some thanks and brew for talking to someone about it all. That is something to be very proud of.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 15-Nov-13 14:42:42

Scones brew, if the HV think you are depressed it would be wise to get it checked. It might explain why you are a bit shouty with DD1 too. I am sure your not a bad mum.

ClimbingPenguin Fri 15-Nov-13 20:11:16

Scones I just wanted to say a huge congratulations on being honest with the HV.

JewelFairies Sun 17-Nov-13 07:58:53

Grrrr. Everyone is having a lie in and I've been awake since stupid o'clock, unable to get back to sleep. angry Ahh, dd2 has just emerged from her room so I'll declare it officially breakfast time grin.

JewelFairies Mon 18-Nov-13 19:26:28

IC all okay with you?

JewelFairies Tue 19-Nov-13 09:26:29

Snowing! grin I seem to be talking to myself a lot on this thread. Time to lay it to rest?

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Tue 19-Nov-13 11:54:42

sunny! grin

ClimbingPenguin Tue 19-Nov-13 13:21:59

nah, I have been meaning to post more on here.

just been busy and stressed and feeling guilty as so many people on our thread are really struggling.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 21-Nov-13 09:59:22


stoofadoof Thu 21-Nov-13 21:02:08

JF ha…

i struggle keeping up with everything! MN tends to be an occasional afterthought for me just lately - particularly since I got my new phone which works really well with FB but not with MN!

CP I know exactly what you mean!

JewelFairies Thu 21-Nov-13 21:29:10

Stoof Mine is the opposite. My phone is fine with mn (via the web page - the app is no good) but refuses to load fb confused

ClimbingPenguin Thu 21-Nov-13 22:48:15

Feeling happy tonight. I think after a busy week and a really bad three days of asthma last week it get good to do some physical exercise again.

An odd thing at work has blown over (for now) and I have a well received lecture today smile

JewelFairies Sat 23-Nov-13 00:37:12

CP Hope your asthma improves. Mine's bad right now. Post viral infection (query flu) and too much cold air. If inrush out of the house in the morning I struggle to make it as far as the car.

Just checked on dd2 and she's upside down on top of her duvet grin.

Mous Any news on your interview?

ClimbingPenguin Sat 23-Nov-13 15:28:12

The green inhaler didn't really work in the end, turned out I just had a random good night. They have now doubled my brown inhaler to see if that works otherwise next step is tablets apparently.

The annoying part of mine isn't that I have a attack and its over, but for 1 -2 days afterwards any kind of walking across the building or up/downstairs involves a recovery afterwards and me being very short of breath. I have to take my inhaler several times to get through any run as well. Have you been to see anyone about yours?

JewelFairies Sat 23-Nov-13 16:50:39

The brown inhalers never worked for me but I've been on the powder inhaler (symbicort) for years now which has been brilliant. Although I've also reached the highest strength of that one and also have tablets for nights (singulair). Haven't needed ventolin for years, except after illness like now. It's rotten - hope your asthma stabilises soon. thanks

ClimbingPenguin Sat 23-Nov-13 17:07:15

symbicort didn't work for me grin

but i might try it again

<ignores the fact I am suppose to be working on my LC survey>

do you think 17,000 words might be too long?

ClimbingPenguin Sat 23-Nov-13 19:20:04

that's literature survey

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sat 23-Nov-13 21:15:36

shock dd1 has been on singulair! shock never had asthma though hmm

Not sure CP! I actually don't remember counting in words! there is so much I don't remember

Hope you can both sort your asthma out.

just checking!

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sat 23-Nov-13 21:15:57

Damn still not working!

JewelFairies Sat 23-Nov-13 21:18:01

Mous It's for allergies rather then asthma so it makes sense.

JewelFairies Tue 26-Nov-13 17:25:32

dd1's Christmas wish list: 'I want a pink real Furby that moves please'
I had pointed out some Furby key rings and soft toys to her at the weekend, so I think she wanted to make it quite clear that she's after a real one. Cruel mama grin

ClimbingPenguin Wed 27-Nov-13 20:23:25

I have decided to get DD a crafty thing, now need to think about DS.

I'll be honest I just don't get Furby's

JewelFairies Wed 27-Nov-13 21:15:04

CP Neither do I [Grin]

JewelFairies Wed 27-Nov-13 21:15:30

Er, grin

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 28-Nov-13 15:23:12

I don't either confused

CP ride on? trike? DD2 had a cheap mothercare ride on when she was 10 months, it is still her best toy today! That and DD1 old scoobydoo van that she has managed to inherit and has always coveted.

I have been to the dentist as a semi emergency with DD2. She has been having black teeth blush All fine, her teeth are very clean, might need a bit of more help for the back ones. It is more green (copper) than black (iron) and the dentist diagnosed staining because of a changed in minerals in the tap water confused.
I have been flagellating myself for the last week thinking I didn't take care enough of her teeth her
put whip back in the cupboard for next time

JewelFairies Thu 28-Nov-13 20:32:44

Mous Blimey, do you drink from a well or something? I've never heard of children's teeth going green from tap water!! shock

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 29-Nov-13 07:55:47

Well almost it is the village supply (local spring/well/?), that or the neighbour are poisoning us or the chicken farm is releasing crap around confused.
I have researched wink and some people (not many) have chromogenic bacteria in their plaque, they are more susceptible to metal variation in the water, food or even just their own blood.
Those bacteria concentrate metals in their little pouch scientific name wink which makes their colonies dark green/black...
I still need to help her brush more to avoid the plaque. blush

The good news is people having those bacteria are significantly less susceptible to teeth decay grin

The dentist did a double take (it wasn't obvious to her blush) and at least she didn't ask me if Angelique's ate some paint or something. Best of all as she is still under 4 it was free! Nice surprise.

To finish the day in beauty I have had to scoop a lost vole out of the kitchen it is so cuuute, and the HV called to make an appointment (hoping this is about DD2 speech delay even if she said it was to make contact).

Today is not bad either no school (inset) and one my best friend (DD2's oddmother) is coming over...
<skipping like a little girl>

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 29-Nov-13 16:01:34

GAhh! Just when you thought you nailed parenting... DD1 has been invited for a sleepover. DD2 has been sobbing and unconsolable for a 1h this morning nothing has happened yet, it is in 2 weeks' time
She wants her sister confused

JewelFairies Fri 29-Nov-13 17:13:24

Awwww, bless. dd2 was very brave when dd1 went on a sleepover in August but she was very relieved to have her sister back grin

ScienceRocks Mon 02-Dec-13 08:07:23


JewelFairies Mon 02-Dec-13 19:00:24

hiya grin

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 02-Dec-13 20:14:14


JewelFairies Tue 03-Dec-13 22:34:51

Glad to see this thread still active grin

JewelFairies Thu 05-Dec-13 21:33:33

Or not grin

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 06-Dec-13 06:54:58

fsmile <- santa nicolae fangry <- pere fouettard

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 06-Dec-13 06:57:03

A good thing that the adults don't put their shoes or DH would have had a stick.... mawwwaaahh

JewelFairies Fri 06-Dec-13 09:28:50

grin We did put a shoe out but we've been good grin. I got marzipan filled with nougat <drools>

SconesForTea Sat 07-Dec-13 10:30:29

Hi everyone. Just checking in. DD2 is ill and attached to my boob on my lap, and DH and DD1 have gone to get a Christmas tree.

I need to shift DD2 soon because we have this weird infestation of teeny flies in our front room in the bay window (gross) and this is my chance to attack them with bleach. They have been there for 5 months, we can't see where they are coming from although they were originally from a windowsill plant. Really horrible. They not only fly but crawl all over the floor <shudders>

SconesForTea Sat 07-Dec-13 10:37:23

I had a really lovely afternoon with DD1 yesterday, doing crafty things while DD2 slept. It was so lovely; it was a revelation to me because honestly I have not enjoyed spending time with her at all lately. It just reinforced to me that it is my problem, not hers, and that I need to make more time for her and change my attitude. It's fine when DD2 is asleep but I'm not sure how I'll manage it once she's not napping any more. Thankfully DD2 doesn't seem in any danger of giving up her nap yet <touches everything wooden in sight>

Then I did a jigwaw with DD1 this morning before DD2 woke up. I know that is a normal parenting thing to do, but it's the kind of thing I haven't done for ages because of The Rage. And again it was lovely. But DD2 is still more at the destroying jigsaws stage than making them (behind, probably, but that's the poor neglected second child for you).

I feel suddenly more chilled out but perhaps that's because we had a good night and I have not had much alcohol to drink lately because of my ongoing cold. Lessons to be learned there.

Right - DD2 is asleep so I must go and clear up flies <boak> They're going to get all over the TREE <wails>

<waves furiously>
Sorry I've been so neglectful of the thread lately - mainly because of getting Xmas sorted, so every opportunity online has been spent sorting out presents for DD, DS, DH and our respective families. That, and a busier social life (mainly child-centred) with the approach of Xmas and various birthdays and other things....whew.

I'm so sorry to hear you've been ill JF and stoof and that your asthma has been playing up, CP how are you? How's T1 going, rainbow? How are your DD2's teeth and friendship issues now, Mous? SR are you feeling any brighter now?

Scones I find DD kicks off most when she is bored and not getting enough attention. She's great at playing on her own for longish periods, but obviously needs adults to notice and play with her too. So yes, doing activities with her is a great idea. I've started playing "pretending" games with DD, helping her to reinvent some of her toys as different characters in different scenarios etc. and she loves that. It often means she will then continue the game on her own when I've dipped out, too. It is hard though, trying not to be too shouty. I definitely shout too much, despite my best efforts and all the positive parenting strategies I try and put into place. When DD carries out unprovoked attacks on DS in particular, I tend to lose it pretty quickly.

But to catch up, the good news is that since DD won her Big Girl Bed for 20 poos in the loo, she hasn't regressed to a nappy at all (by choice - she did one at night when she was a bit poorly, I'm not counting that). She's now down to one sachet of Movicol per day and it's looking good for reducing that as well.
She too still needs a nappy at night and shows no sign of not doing so for some time. I'm interested in what you say about ADH SR....

DD has reached the dizzy heights (!) of Size 6 shoes now - eek! Time to get the wallet out again!!

DS is walking with more and more confidence, starting to climb everything and is insatiably curious about everything in the way DD never really was (well, not to the extent of turfing out everything within reach!) He still adores books and now comes up to me or DH with a book and tells us (in his own language) that he would like it read to him, please. He still wakes up a couple of times a night and we're currently going through a phase of him taking a while to resettle, which grinds me down somewhat. I think he's going to have to be Ferberised after Christmas as I'm running out of patience with it now. But generally, he's on good form!

Has anyone else discovered Boots Cold and Flu Defence nasal spray? Bloody brilliant (and okay during pregnancy/breast-feeding). I've managed to reduce DS' last two colds to minor sniffles, DD's last one was over in two days and I've fended them off myself completely. The DC's hate receiving it (although it doesn't really cause much sensation) but, by golly it seems to work!!

JewelFairies Mon 09-Dec-13 18:33:04

IC Hold that wallet- I have a bag of shoes for you!! grin

Yay, thanks JF smile

How about we exchange them for tea and cake next time you're in the vicinity of our place, JF? smile

...or coffee, of course!

JewelFairies Wed 11-Dec-13 21:42:37


LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 19-Dec-13 06:27:55

I have let the thread fallen out of my list and let JF talked to herself so just waving to get it back and to everybody watching!

JewelFairies Thu 19-Dec-13 13:21:31

That's quite alright Mous, I like my own company fgrin. I'm considering deleting my fb account though, so if anyone wants me I can be found here and also happy to give my email address to anyone who wants it.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 20-Dec-13 12:13:38

just gaahhhh, MIL has manflu, she can't do anything. Has asked for opinion on Xmas gifts for the dds and then completely dismissed them apparently books for dd1 and a princess dress for dd2 are not good enough even if I know they would both love it. Now they have 3 presents each that may or may not arrive in time despite everything else being bought already. Great their birthday is soon. Apparently children fight if they don't have the same number of presents not mine and all my idea are to be dismissed hmm
just gaaaaah

stoofadoof Fri 20-Dec-13 21:24:32

hello! don't ditch FB JF I'll never see you!! I keep giving myself a kick up the bum, but I just can't keep on top of both mn and fb.. i'm only here cos mous said!! maybe i need to do some more work on my phone to suss out how to get MN working on there!

DH has flu (no, honest, he really has) am keeping everything crossed that none of the rest of us get it… IC am intrigued by the boots thingamajig - how does that work then?!?! fconfused

right, off to bed - just can't get enough sleep at the moment and it looks like i'll be solo parenting this weekend, with the addition of poorly dh to look after…

also been getting a really weird rapid eye movement thing… i look like i've been hitting the class a's which obv i haven't, but it's weird… am avoiding googling at present - dont' want to know! (clearly I can't tell myself it's happening, but DH keeps noticing and filmed it for me so i could see it…. weird) any thoughts on a postcard!

JewelFairies Fri 20-Dec-13 21:56:54

Stoof thanks. Hope both you and your dh feel a bit better by Christmas. I had flu a few weeks ago ( I'm very clever and have now twice got the strain not included in the jab!). We're a sick household right now as well. Dd1 was very very sick last night (we have had to throw away the rug from her room.. Luckily I managed to stop her in her tracks before she reached the landing. Then got dh to tidy up because he's fab with sick and dog poo.) and I am very borderline with a chest infection (my lungs are shot after a few bouts of pneumonia leading to severe asthma ).
Ps. None of the family got flu when I got it last Christmas and November this year. Fx

As for your rapid eye movement - freaky. Try to get some sleep and rest please!

Mous Sending you strength and patience!! At least I have no MIL but I'm preparing myself for my sister visiting while we are at my parents...

ClimbingPenguin Sun 22-Dec-13 21:17:58

I had that too recently stoof passed after a week. Stress, caffeine etc seem to be main things

ClimbingPenguin Sun 22-Dec-13 21:20:21

I brought DD a present in the end (volcano thing from charity shop). Got DS a more suitable car garage as the one ILs got for his birthday was for 3+ and too delicate for him.

Got a puzzle out for DS a week ago, actually first time I have done them with him. A week later he can do the 25 by himself (he's a little attached to it though)

JewelFairies Mon 23-Dec-13 09:46:02

I like this. Just finished breakfast. Dh went to work early and when dd1 appeared at 8 demanding breakfast I asked her if she'd like to get her own cereal. She thought that was brilliant and went on to feed her sister, too. Then they came back at 9, asking what now, should they get dressed? fgrin By that point I felt guilty and got up. I'm now planning to teach dd1 to put the coffee on... There's light at the end of the small child relentlessness! Wonder what else I can delegate today.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 23-Dec-13 15:40:12

JF you will love 7/8 yo wink. DD1 cooks now and bake on her own, she is also the only one who can calm her sister sometimes she also is the only one who knows how to push her buttons, unfortunately She can also hoover and tidy with the right motivations...

JewelFairies Mon 23-Dec-13 15:53:55


JewelFairies Tue 24-Dec-13 15:15:42

Dd2 is already losing the plot in anticipation of Christmas (in our case tonight) and I am hoping there won't be a huge melt down. I'm not really in the mood yet but may cheer up over a nice dinner with wine and then presents in front of a nice fire. Dd1 has taken an age to lay the table with two crackers per person and little star shapes arranged around plates. She said earlier that she'd love Christmas even if she got no presents (but I'm sure she'll appreciate the longed for pink Furby making an appearance.

Merry Christmas lovely thread friends


JewelFairies Tue 24-Dec-13 20:12:11

Merry Christmas, too. We have two very happy, very tired girls :-)

JewelFairies Tue 24-Dec-13 20:35:22

Ok. So how do you make Furbies sleep?

JewelFairies Tue 24-Dec-13 20:54:04

Never mind the Furbies, our two were asleep in seconds smile

ClimbingPenguin Tue 24-Dec-13 21:30:10

i think dd very serious about santa, that and/or she was very tired at bed time and went straight off.

I am very excited, for the first time DD gets Christmas

rainbowweaver Wed 25-Dec-13 04:40:58

Merry Christmas everyone! Ho ho ho! Just finished being Santa - feel like one too what with everyone asleep and I'm tiptoeing around the house being quiet, now enjoying my (echinacea) tea....

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Wed 25-Dec-13 06:09:27

Merry Xmas to you all.
Yes 1st year that DD2 get Xmas too but then she has been briefed and rebriefed at playschool! hmm I think they do a bit overboard in the UK!
MIL went out at 6 pm yesterday to set the presents so nearly spoiled it for the girls DH is not able to anticipate, I did warned him to discuss our way to do it with her I think DD1 is determined to believe in santa no matter what because she saw her.
We were tracking santa with norad, and there was a bit of tears when they went to bed early because santa was reaching our old town already.
Then DD2: "grandma lives in the sky where we are now, my godmother lives on the ground where I was born" She is still confused of how planes work then!

ScienceRocks Thu 26-Dec-13 12:01:39

Hope everyone had a good Christmas Day x

ClimbingPenguin Thu 26-Dec-13 14:16:41

I was quite grateful to nursery for getting them hyped up

stoofadoof Fri 27-Dec-13 03:29:36

Blooming work today... It'll all be storm damaged properties and homeless presentations from young people who've been kicked out or couples who've split up... Tis the season!

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sun 29-Dec-13 07:14:35

JF how is your chest? Did you gave up FB?

ClimbingPenguin Sun 29-Dec-13 09:40:34

stoof how did it go?

Hope everyone else is ok.

Here's wishing you all a New Year full of fresh hope and vitality xx

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Tue 31-Dec-13 18:09:37

Thanks IC! That is exactly what we all need, 2014 will definitely be better!
wine thanks
Thank you all for your support this year and happy new year in Kathmandu

ScienceRocks Wed 01-Jan-14 01:00:18

Happy new year lovely ladies x

stoofadoof Thu 02-Jan-14 15:13:19

Happy new year! Work was predictable thanks cp but not too bad-off now til. 6th...

stoofadoof Thu 02-Jan-14 15:13:58

Where IS jf??

SconesForTea Fri 03-Jan-14 12:30:29

Happy New year everyone.
JF please don't leave us on here too sad

It's okay, don't panic! JF is in Germany without an internet connection, I'm sure she'll be back with us once she's back home (due on Sunday).

ClimbingPenguin Sun 05-Jan-14 20:45:45

<waves all around>

I'm a bit tired tonight and considering cake, and possible an early night shock although my sleep is a bit shit lately

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sun 05-Jan-14 21:02:49

<Waves back>
We can both go to bed in 15 min and pretend to read...

Any Feb10 had some board games for Xmas? How are they faring with them and losing ? I don't remember DD1 being such a cheater even if she is much more competitive.

JewelFairies Sun 05-Jan-14 21:07:41

Belated happy new year! I'm back in rainy Britain grin

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sun 05-Jan-14 21:12:17

Happy new year JF. I hope you brought the sun back with you grin!

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sun 05-Jan-14 21:12:36

Off to read now! wink

ClimbingPenguin Sun 05-Jan-14 22:06:20

<wonders what time sherlock will be on iplayer>

JewelFairies Mon 06-Jan-14 12:40:34

It was dark when we got home yesterday so I was a little surprised to find this morning that we no longer have a garden fence...

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 06-Jan-14 13:56:21


ClimbingPenguin Mon 06-Jan-14 21:35:02

our kitchen is leaking. Times like this I am thankful we rent.

ScienceRocks Mon 06-Jan-14 22:34:25

Our bathroom and a bedroom are too, CP sad

JewelFairies Thu 09-Jan-14 12:13:52

Dd2 has gone back to eating cereal in the morning in disgust at being presented with British bread... grin She was in foodie heaven on holiday and once ate five slices of very fresh sourdough rye bread on its own. The bread is so delicious it needs no toppings. Maybe I should have a new year resolution to bake bread at the weekends...

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 09-Jan-14 20:33:36

I bought a baguette as a treat in LIDL and it just disappeared, as well as the french style rye bread, with DD1 only.

DD2 wanted to watch houses on right move as a bed time story! confused Is houseporn dangerous so early?

JewelFairies Thu 09-Jan-14 20:42:22

Hahaha, it's not just that we are the same Mous, our girls are too! I often by the rye bread from lidl, and my dd1 likes looking at houses... She has expensive tastes though and expects a swimming pool!

stoofadoof Fri 10-Jan-14 06:43:32

Mmm rye bread. With maybe a slice of masdam or leerdam or jarly... Mmmmm

stoofadoof Fri 10-Jan-14 06:45:24

And sourdough.... I keep meaning to make a sourdough starter, but a week of feeding it seems such a hassle... Really should do that!

ScienceRocks Fri 10-Jan-14 11:05:29

I did sourdough for a while last year. Managed about six months before I killed it! Was lovely, but quite strong tasting. Was very good for pizza bases!

I love rye bread too. Any bread, actually...

Yum to those breads....we're lucky here, some lovely indie bakeries where you can get delicious bread.....which reminds me, must get a loaf this afternoon....

So GP confirms I have got Carpal Tunnel Syndrome - so I'm off to get some wrist splints as a first effort towards sorting it out. If they don't work, I get the jabs and if that doesn't, the surgery. Meanwhile, I'm trying to put less pressure on my wrists wherever possible - DS' desire to walk a lot helps.

Another sleep-through from last night, hooray. Shame I couldn't benefit from it because of hand discomfort and DD's coughing. We're getting a steroid inhaler for her to see if that helps. I anticipate all sorts of fun and games getting her to take it..... But this cough has been going on for weeks now and the sleep disruption has impacted on her behaviour, too. Any tips on inhalers for LOs? She's getting the mask-type....

ScienceRocks Fri 10-Jan-14 16:37:56

IC, has she a blue or brown inhaler? Or both? The blue inhaler has an almost instant effect so motivates them quickly to get to grips with it and be happy to do it. The brown one is a preventer so is more difficult for them to understand the benefit.

My dd1 has had an inhaler since she was two, and took to the spacer device very well. Just assemble it all as directed, put it to her face, then press the canister so the drug goes into the spacer chamber. Get your dd to breathe normally, just through the spacer. Five breaths should do it, but I do ten to be sure. If she needs more than one puff, repeat the process, don't do two puffs with one lot of breathing if you see what I mean.

Got lots of stuff on this if you want to contact me...

ScienceRocks Fri 10-Jan-14 16:38:16

Sorry about the carpal tunnel, btw.

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 10-Jan-14 19:21:30

IC sorry about the carpal syndrome. Hope the splint helps.

Thanks for the CTS sympathy!

Well, DH and I had to hold DD down in the end to get her to use the spacer. We tried getting her to decorate it, saying it was like a trumpet, us demonstrating it.....but she wasn't having any of it.
It's the brown inhaler, so not easy for her to see the benefits. That said, I haven't heard her cough once since she had it, so maybe the placebo effect is doing the job!!

ClimbingPenguin Sat 11-Jan-14 20:56:48

There was a asthma one on 'Get Well Soon' should be on youtube. That might help?

ClimbingPenguin Sat 11-Jan-14 20:57:12

I love sourdough, plain or just a bit of good oil

SconesForTea Thu 16-Jan-14 07:35:00

DSis makes sourdough, it yummy. She keeps trying to give me some Mother but I'm scared of taking anything else on at the moment. Maybe in the summer...

Poor DD with the inhaler IC, I'm sure DD1 would have been exactly the same.

JewelFairies Thu 16-Jan-14 21:31:05

Dd2 got praised for getting cross in nursery today smile. She's normally laid back and tends to walk away from conflict but today she got cross with another child (rightly so by the sound of it) and the staff members were really pleased she was a bit more assertive. Way to go baby girl! She is a quiet, serious little soul but also very sensitive. Good for her to assert herself a bit. grin

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Fri 17-Jan-14 07:53:22

Good on her JF! grin

JewelFairies Fri 17-Jan-14 17:22:55

We put dd2 in school uniform earlier for a laugh and she looked incredibly grown up and very proud. But I hope she grows a tiny bit in height over the summer because I will be in tears (of laughter) on her first day in Reception grin. <mutters darkly that Britain is bonkers to send barely four year olds into full time school wearing formal dress>

JewelFairies Sun 26-Jan-14 09:12:19

Look, what a surprise, it's pouring down outside again angry

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sun 26-Jan-14 09:35:11

It is actually raining inside too for us angry

JewelFairies Sun 26-Jan-14 10:13:04

Oh, that's not good! We also have water coming in through the top of the frame in dd2's room and the bit under the bay window in our bedroom is soaking wet.
Mous, should we run away together and go somewhere nicer? wink

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Sun 26-Jan-14 14:44:23

I am in! grin

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JewelFairies Wed 29-Jan-14 17:46:12

Just did what would get me lynched in aibu... Left dd1 alone on the sofa watching iplayer, with dozing feverish dd2 and dashed to the corner shop for a loaf of bread. When I told dd1 what I was about to do she responded 'Cool!'.

I was gone less than ten minutes and curiously the house had not burned down, no one had broken in or lured them away, and I managed not to get run over by a car. It's the first time I've done this and probably wouldn't have had dd2 not been poorly.

But generally I think the UK is oddly hysterical about supervising children at all times. I walked myself to Kindergarten from the age of 5, across one main and several side roads. Admittedly that was in the mists of time but even now it's normal for 6 year olds to walk to school and back on their own. Dd1 finds this fascinating an is cross that schools won't allow pupils to come and go on their own until at least year 6, preferably secondary.

JewelFairies Fri 31-Jan-14 19:01:06

We've got a bike for dd2's birthday but it is beginning to look like a silly idea. Maybe we should have bought a dinghy instead... wink

rainbowweaver Sat 01-Feb-14 00:22:12

DH also did pop out for a couple of mins to the neighbours the other say. DD wasn't pleased though, and made sure to tell me about it. Mind you, he's also from Germany so more used to that. I'm used to constant supervision until at least 16 smile

Snap on the bike! Though she's only managed to go out once in it.

JewelFairies Sun 02-Feb-14 20:56:18

dd2 went to sleep super quick tonight, in the knowledge that when she wakes up tomorrow she is going to be much more grown up grin. Technically, she's not four until quite late tomorrow night but I won't let her wait for her presents that long wink.

SconesForTea Mon 03-Feb-14 19:24:18

With the bikes, will you use stabilisers? DD1 has a balance bike and we're hoping to transition to a pedal bike without them.

A couple of drier days this weekend made all the difference. So lovely going for a good old walk without getting soaked and then we forced the girls to walk to our local in a mini downpour which they did not appreciate

I think things chez Scones are settling down. DD1's behaviour seems much improved and I'm certainly finding her much easier to handle. Motherhood is even enjoyable, at times! <shoos away MN jinx>


SconesForTea Mon 03-Feb-14 19:27:03

is still nowhere near settled in her bed, and spends most nights in the travel cot (with a mattress) in the spare room. She has slept in her bed once hmm I'x have just put her back into her cot for a while but DH sold it.

SconesForTea Mon 03-Feb-14 19:39:02

With the bikes, will you use stabilisers? DD1 has a balance bike and we're hoping to transition to a pedal bike without them.

A couple of drier days this weekend made all the difference. So lovely going for a good old walk without getting soaked and then we forced the girls to walk to our local in a mini downpour which they did not appreciate

I think things chez Scones are settling down. DD1's behaviour seems much improved and I'm certainly finding her much easier to handle. Motherhood is even enjoyable, at times! <shoos away MN jinx>


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SconesForTea Mon 03-Feb-14 20:26:10

Do any of you have a sickly child? It seems DD2 is never well. She has yet another cold and cough, hot on the heels of the last one, the sickness bug, and whatever she had the week before that. She runs a very high temperature at the drop of a hat. We give them a daily vitamin; anything else we could do?

JewelFairies Mon 03-Feb-14 21:02:41

Dd2 is not the most balanced child at the best of times grin so she has stabilisers on her new bike. Dd1 had stabilisers for a day but they fitted really badly (bought separately for a second hand bike) and she was so desperate to cycle that she learnt to ride without in half an hour on the road outside my parents' house. I'm hoping dd2 will do the same in August so we can go for cycle rides on holiday. Until then she can practice here. (We do have a balance bike as well but dd2 has been too small for it and the weather too poor for a wooden bike...)

LeMousquetaireAnonyme Mon 03-Feb-14 21:25:36

Scones DD1 was like this, she is much better now! got better around 6.5 yo, mostly throats though no sickness bugs. at 4 she was doing around 2/3 weeks in 1/2 weeks out, awful, good job I wasn't working (you needed doc approval to go back into school too in Romania!)

rainbowweaver Tue 04-Feb-14 03:17:01

Stabilisers here too. At the start of a diabolical spd, I'm sure of it. Can feel my hips going.

JewelFairies Wed 05-Feb-14 14:20:16

Oh no rainbow, hope it settles.

SconesForTea Fri 07-Feb-14 19:00:29

Oh no Rainbow! Already? How far along are you now? And you had it last time too?

Mous that is what DD2 does, she is ill 3 weeks out of 4 no exaggeration. DH and Iconsider ourselves quite sturdy stock and wonder how on earth we've begotten this sickly child.

We have water coming in through our bedroom windows and through the front door. Can't work out how though. No way can we replace all the windows, damn ugly things that they are.

SconesForTea Fri 07-Feb-14 19:01:56

Where are you going in August JF?
We are going to York for a week at the start of July. I fully expect it to bucket down for the whole week.

SconesForTea Fri 07-Feb-14 19:03:50

DD2 still not sleeping in her bed aaargh! Feeling quite shattered after a fortnight of multiple wake ups. Should have realised we were doing ok on only one a night hmm

rainbowweaver Sun 16-Feb-14 06:50:37

Hope the sleep and DD2 health has improved scones! On a positive note, some friends of ours who had sickly LOs while they were young have found that once they were school age they were completely immune to nearly everything, having caught it earlier....
Yep SPD getting worse. Now some pain when turning over in bed, had it last time as well but it didn't start till month 7 or 8. Mind you last time, month 5 was when I probably overdid the yoga and started it off. Feeling somewhat sanguine about it, will probably book a gp appointment this week for physio referral. Expecting sometime around month 7 to have to wear a pelvic girdle of some sort!
Had a sunny afternoon today, and took the chance to take DD out for her 2nd cycling expedition around the block. She's taking to it like a duck to water, they're really growing up fast....

SconesForTea Tue 25-Feb-14 19:28:04

Good to hear from you rainbow. Yes, they are growing up SO fast. Since her birthday DD1 has been pooing on the potty with no protest. I know it should be the toilet, but after her point blank refusal until she was four, we're happy (and incredibly relieved) with potty poos for now. I was starting to worry if ahe'd be a schoolgirl in nappies not really only a little bit

Now for the dummy... Actually the dummy doesn't bother me at all, she only has it in bed and in the car, but I know that's our next battle.

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LeMousquetaireAnonyme Thu 06-Mar-14 20:04:35

you fell out of my list just checking in!

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rainbowweaver Sun 16-Mar-14 00:43:28

<waves back> had a lovely day at the beach today. Somewhat chilly in the wind but very sunny.