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November 2012 - The Adventure Continues

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StuntNun Wed 03-Jul-13 05:10:10

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1787896-November-2012-Crawling-Already-Uh-oh

This thread's topic is what size of nappies are your babies in? And how are the cloth bum babies doing?

Donnadoon Wed 03-Jul-13 06:44:37

bear size 4 here

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 07:05:33

Size 4 too. She's short but, erm, cuddly grin

fruitpastilles Wed 03-Jul-13 07:46:00

Another in size 4 here.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 08:17:25

Size 4s due to curvaceous thighs grin

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Jul-13 08:36:28

Size 2 with wool longies over night, size 1 with PUL wraps during the day. That's bamboo fitteds, he's normally in easyfits (which are btp) or small realeasies during the day.

<looks up>

<realises nobody has a clue>

<shuts up>

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Jul-13 09:23:03

I know exactly what you are talking about PP. Sadly I cannot cope with cloth at the moment due to other pressures plus all the creams he is on would damage them sad

J is in 4+ or 4 depending on what is cheaper.

Does anyone use value nappies? He is between sizes at the moment. We get the tesco pull-up ones for DD2 at night and they are fab. Too big for boy though. I put one on him and everything just came out the leg holes. Oops. Silly mummy.

When I feel better, and if his skin problem is rectified, I would love to give cloth another go.

StuntNun Wed 03-Jul-13 09:42:30

Are 4+ the same size as 4 only more absorbent VQ? J is in size 4 as well, in Tesco Ultra Dry.

Donnadoon Wed 03-Jul-13 09:59:26

I use Aldi now I used to be a Pampers Mum but Ive been converted and Im impressed with them.

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Jul-13 10:39:05

I think so stunt. Besides the weight ranges overlap so much.

Aldi nappies are good, but not always cheapest.

Stacks Wed 03-Jul-13 13:49:45

Marking my place to lurk more.

Thank you for finding all the info on the nhs guidelines for cmpi/allergies. I had a read through the few bits I understood and got DH to look too. There's a bit he's latched onto though - that an elimination diet can change an allergy from mild to potentially serious, so should only be done under advice from a dietician.
DH then made me eat some chocolate cake. Practically forced me.

I was happy with the decision last night, now I'm unsure again today. Not helped by the awful night we had. He woke every hour all night, but from 8-10:30 he settled well - fed him and put him straight down and he went straight to sleep, and resettling him at 9 took literally 30s - pick up, quick cuddle, down asleep. 10:30 til 1 am I tried settling him the same but just no joy. He'd fall asleep ok in my arms, and transfer fine. Then 1-10 mins after being put down he'd wake crying again. I tried for ages, even fed to sleep at 11:45. Finally gave in at 1am and coslept but he still woke me very hour after. When cosleeping he'll usually only settle on the breast, so he fed quite a bit overnight. That said, both breasts were unusually full this morning, so I don't think he ate as much as normal.

BP reading about what your awful CM said had me in tears. No wonder your amazing LO wasn't happy with her. If I have suppressed anger at T when he's crying he takesuch longer to settle. They sense these things, and having an angry stranger look after you muat be awful for them. Hugs for you both.
My next door neighbour is a CM and lovely. Really great with the kids and the parents (she's even offered to take T for free for a couple of hours for me after a bad night). I go over quite often with coffee and am amazed how well she handles the kids. From wilfull 3 year olds to a room full of boisterous 5 year olds. Always gentle, calm and firm. I think it helps she's a Christian (though that could be my stereotyping).

VQ lidl nappies are great. They got the mumsnet best nappy award last year. I used them when T was too small for cloth and in a brief lazy period and they're great. We're full time cloth now though.

I like easyfits though we regularly get poo leaks (any advice on that Pidg?) and bamboo fitted size 2 overnight. Just bought some little lamb pocket nappies which I'm hoping will be as good as the easyfits, or better. I'm too cheap (and DH too tight) to buy more expensive easyfits, but we only have 4 so I really struggle keeping him in them. I also have 1 mio solo, and 2 bum genius. We used to do full time bamboo but I struggle to dry them (damaged all our size 1's by putting them on the rads to dry), so only use them overnight now.

<stops waffling on about nappies>

<realises I've not sworn for swearing Wednesday, fuck>

<that's the first time I've publicly sworn in years>

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 14:00:50

How does it feel stacks ? grin

Stacks Wed 03-Jul-13 14:08:44

I feel naughty. Hope my parents don't read MN.

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Jul-13 14:50:16

So close!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 14:52:59

Thanks for the help chasing - went on this website for some inspiration but couldn't use most of the words in case I got told off grin

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Jul-13 14:53:02

Size 4 here. Sainsbos Little Ones by day and Pampers baby dry at night.

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Jul-13 14:53:50

<bookmarks site>

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Jul-13 15:00:06

I don't want to be boring, VQ wink

They might just not fit right, Stacks don't buy more till you've established if other brands fit better, it's quite an individual thing. Maybe buy preloved ones to try? I love my realeasies, but have easyfits because dp can manage them (clumsy left hand, not patheticness wink) I didn't know you could damage bamboo fitted on a radiator? Thought it was just PUL <oops>

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 03-Jul-13 15:00:31

Size 3 here. Normally pampers baby dry but tesco replaced them with active fit. They're doing the job at the moment.

chasing big congrats on the flat news.

I like the sticky post on fb. I'm pleased that I had matched the prolific posters mn name and rl name. What I do love is reading the kiddies names, especially those with more than one DC as obviously they are never written on here. There are some lovely names.

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Jul-13 15:12:35

I love reading the names of the kidlings too smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 15:25:13

grin at the end of the last thread. Very inspiring !

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Jul-13 15:37:53

Yes indeed. I am sad I missed it. Perhaps we should set ourselves a challenge to fill an entire thread with swear words today? <<conscious of Stunt glaring at me>>

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 03-Jul-13 15:39:58

Ok I have made my batch of puree for the nurse coming tomorrow.i also called the hospital and the nurse called me back. She said that James can have both ranitidine and omeprazole together but if I felt the ranitidine wasn't working then I could just do omeprazole. I think we will do that first as I hadn't noticed much difference on the ranitidine, except maybe he would do a 3 hour chunk at the start of the night. Decisions decisions. It just seems a bit excessive to try both without seeing if the omeprazole works alone.

I also went to GP again about my wonky finger. He assures me it cannot be broken yet without X-ray vision I don't see why it couldn't! He is getting me in for blood tests tomorrow!? Maybe suspects RA? And I've been given a weird cream to put on it 3x a day. It's not swollen the wonky but is bony!!


ValiumQueen Wed 03-Jul-13 15:40:17

Thank you Chasing, he is a little trooper. His default setting is happy, so if he isn't I know there is something wrong. He just commend a huge glob of mucus, and started giggling smile

We also get full on snogs here. Have done for weeks actually. He also likes to slip down and bite your chin too. And it hurts as he has 4 teeth now.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 15:40:37

That would draw attention to us in active convos. And at mnhq.

But ok then. Fuckity bollocky shitting wank.

Am baking banana bread. I am sick of handrinsing banana out of LO's vests and scraping it off her chair. So am giving myself a break from that she can have her bananas in banana bread the next few days. If I dn't eat it all myself.

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Jul-13 15:42:21

Izzy I thought RA would give symmetrical symptoms? I do hope it is not. Any family history? It is ages since I looked after anyone with it and cannot even remember if it is hereditary.

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Jul-13 15:45:33

It is not hereditary and can start asymmetrically. It still doesn't sound right to me.

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 15:45:34

Detective is a knob.

Why the fuck did I not realise I hadn't eaten?

3 quorn sausages and 2 fried eggs later, I am recovered. hmm

What a dick. Paracetomol on an empty stomach!

I'll be back on the laptop when DP stops destroying the house putting up safety gates.

That man is not built for DIY I tell you....

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Wed 03-Jul-13 15:48:06

Size 4s here, Aldi during the day, Pampers BabyDry at night when they are on offer.

chasing grin

BPLP wine and thanks for you.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 15:54:46

Izzy gout? Although a bit out of the demographic - you're not a rotund, elderly, port-quaffing gent, I suppose?

Stacks Wed 03-Jul-13 16:20:10

I've been struggling today with T, but we just had a bonding session over Oreo cookies. Did everyone know they're dairy free? T had half of one side of a cookie, the first thing he's demonstrably eaten - it was there, then nothing but crumbs smile

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 16:26:58


I'm back, and fighting fit hah!

VQ I don't know the answers about the blood/mucous. But at least you have something for his chest. I think GP's think reflux is a load of old shit from paranoid mothers. I don't really care any more, as long as I get what I went for. Don't let it bother you easier said than done as pretty much the vast majority of parents with refluxers are going through the exact same thing with GPs etc.

Also, regarding your MH, you know why it is the way it is right now. There is a reason - don't let the GP's use anything 'against' you regarding J. As I said before, your MH and reflux issues are intrinsicly linked. Obviously I don't know specifically what other factors are impacting on you at the moment, but I have some idea. If a GP dared suggest it is your MH making you think things, stop them dead! Tell them that the reason your MH has been harmed is because you have not had the care you needed for your baby when you needed it most! You have been let down!

I'll stop ranting now. I will. I could be on the wrong tracks here, but I could SO easily be you. The only reason I am not is because DP takes more than his fair share of nights even if I do have to wake him and that I don't have any of the other issues with illness, and my other child is 11. No little ones.

You have a DH who doesn't 'do' the nights. 3 children who are all getting more than their fair share of illness, and a baby with reflux and CPMI plus skin issues. And you are supposed to go back to work while coping with all that?!

Ok, so I didn't stop ranting blush. I will now. Promise.

Lily311 Wed 03-Jul-13 16:27:13

chasing that news made my day

We are in cloth (eBay cheapies and lollipop pockets) during the day and inaldi or lidl during the night. She is in size 4. I think aldi is a bit better than lidl though I can't fault lidl either, it might just be my preference. They are the cheapest here. Tesco value is like paper and tesco own leaked on O.

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 16:31:25

Nappies - size 4 here. We tried the Asda ones. Didn't like them - they leaked in size 4. So he's currently in Pampers simply dry or whatever they are. Orange pack.

I must try some cheaper ones really. It's only the fact that those 2 are the only choice in Asda where we do the majority of our shop! Lazy really! grin

BP I've been thinking about you! You know when all this is sorted, and you find some fabulous childcare, you will look back and be able to laugh about this. And you can tell F she flunked childcare at 8 months old ;) But then tell her what a bitch the CM was and how mummy came to the rescue for her!

Also, I had a dream about you last night. You were a stick insect doctor. I don't remember the details. But I dressed like a man in drag and took the internal haemorrhaging stick insect to the hospital. confused

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 03-Jul-13 16:33:39

Oh and we are in size 4 or 4+

I got boxes of pampers baby dry easy up pants in size 4 that were only £3 for 56! Haven't tried the, on j yet but at that price couldn't resist. I bought 5 boxes!

I'm not sure about RA but can't think what else he'd be testing for, he didn't say and I didn't ask. Was just annoyed he won't send me for a fricking X-ray, it's wonky! Ah well we shall see!

GTbaby Wed 03-Jul-13 17:17:18

Wtf comment #3 or rather action. She "pretends" to feed him a digestive biscuit. I say don't , i dont want him having biscuits, he will eat it "no don't worry he won't eat it" "mum he will and then he will want more" knowing what she is like I go to get him off her. As I walk over she breaks off a few crumbs and stuffs them in his mouth.

Arghhhh. I'm not apposed to the biscuit. I have given him ice cream and pizza it's the fact she totally ignored me saying NO. I know if I let her give a biscuit today she will take the mic and give him really sugary things. So I rather just say no to her full stop.


Sry haven't caught up on this / last thread. I cant get coverage on my phone at work and when I get home I have so much to do hmm Hope you are all well.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 17:46:46

There have been two flies shagging on my ceiling for HOURS.

Lucky buggers.

Donnadoon Wed 03-Jul-13 17:50:46

GT WTF Is this your Mum or Mil?

YellowWellies Wed 03-Jul-13 18:10:27

Just a quickie as have to start tea but big hugs to BP I guess lots of folks made redundant have started CM in the recession - she clearly doesn't have the temperament. Shows you how hard reflux babies are and what a wonder woman you are for helping your lovely lass smile through it. God can you imagine if one of her kids had reflux!

Chasing high fives and fist bumps (Pass stylee) awesome sauce! Also 'cunt socks' is a swear word of genius - was that yours?

Det and VQ hugs....

We're still in size 3s but largely because we've a stack to use up! confused

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 18:14:38

If it is your mum it is a little easier to be blunt and say my baby my rules.

With MIL I suppose you have to be a little more diplomatic.

I'm not sure how.

I'm probably not the best person to advise grin. Although it is easier for me in some ways as I just say no he can't have it it has dairy/soya in.

Like you say, I've no problem with him having things, but it should be his parents decision what and when he has them! Not his grandparents!

Does anyone elses baby just scream and scream and scream? At nothing? O is crawling around just screaming. High pitched, brain numbing, headache inducing screaming. He does it loads, usually just when he is annoyed at something. But he is crawling round doing it at the moment hmm.

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 18:16:11

I just told DP 'the oven rang, it will be here in 10 minutes'.

I think I am losing my mind!

What I meant is the delivery driver rang and the oven will be here in 10 minutes. grin

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 18:27:31

<huge evil cackle>

<saunters off thread>

Clue: fb

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Jul-13 18:45:24

Yep YW that was my made up swear word grin

GTbaby Wed 03-Jul-13 19:01:18

It's the mil. If it was my mum is could quite easily say no. And more importantly she would listenshock lol

Mil is only here for 6 weeks 5.5weeks not that I'm counting so FH keeps telling me to keep the peace hmm

Grumble grumble. Plus with them being bk I can't just sit on MN. Feel like I constantly need to be doing something. Currently I'm putting lo to bed not sat in my room MNing

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 19:06:20

Feeling a bit more positive this evening. We're off to look at my top choice of nursery tomorrow at 10, where a lot of Fs friends will be going. They can have her Monday, Tuesday and Thursday with immediate effect, and Wednesdays from September. I think we can cobble together Wednesday childcare over the summer hols, with friends and DHs annual leave. MIL still having F on a Friday morning. It seems nice. Good Ofsted. Big outside play area and meadow, with forest school when they get older. Grow their own fruit & veg, meals are included. Really hope it's as nice and I get a good feel about it.


<Puffs out chest>

Detective dreamt about me [smug]

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 19:07:09

GT I would be saying I had an "upset tummy" and disappearing to the loo for protracted periods of time every now and then.

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 19:14:03


DP has just done that very thing BP. THE BASTARD!

I'm going to go and disturb him. grin

It was a fucking bizarre dream confused. Very odd. And I wasn't me. <Worries about sanity>.

Ace about the nursery! And yes, annual leave/parental leave between you and DH, and rope the family in. 8 weeks is nuffing grin in the grand scheme. And you can stick 2 fingers right up at that cock face.

GTbaby Wed 03-Jul-13 19:14:14

Izzy. Just a thought. It might be something sounds kinda like gangly? blush My sister had it in wrist. It's we're fluid leaks out of joint and collects under skin. Hard like bone. Not painful. Google it and see if you have similar symptoms.

fruitpastilles Wed 03-Jul-13 19:16:54

Oh my god pig I am fuuuuuming on your behalf angryangryangryangryangry how people like that can think they are capable of being in that job is beyond me. I really hope you love the nursery and that F settles well there, it sounds lovely.

chasing excellent news on the flat, I bet you can't wait to start buying things can you? I'm a bit jealous actually, I've always wanted to live on my own and to have everything how I wanted, I've always lived with friends or cousins.

vq I hope J's chest clears up with the antibiotics, poor mite. I'm also glad that you have your ad's now, it's nice to see that you are looking after yourself as well instead of putting yourself to the bottom of the pile. Your beautiful babies need their mummy well smile

gt isn't it annoying when people do that. We was at a BBQ the other week and my auntie said I was cruel because I said S couldn't have any chocolate cake and then proceeded to give her some.

GTbaby Wed 03-Jul-13 19:22:30

Finally caught up with this thread. So lo is in 4+ pampers baby dry, day time and night. I keep trying to convince FH to try cheaper nappies during the day but he is being a proper nappy snob.

Although yesterday lo leaked 3 times so now worried we need size 5 !
Think I might go and get asda nappies. Try them out stealth style see if he notices or lidle brand.

GTbaby Wed 03-Jul-13 19:31:41

Argh fruit. I would have gone nuts at chocolate cake!
Mil is a feeder. Everyone says it ,today nephews are over and she makes comments like order them pizza for dinner. Their mum says no, we have dinner ready at home and Friday is pizza night. And mil will be like "oh don't worry they want pizza, give them your food tomorrow, I'll pay, order them pizza, boys do you want pizza" and won't let up.
She will never stop giving the kids food. But it's always junk. Cupcakes, crisps, chocolates , biscuits.

The kids have all been trained by their parents to say no to grandma or to ask parents before saying yes, so at least they can keep an eye on how many treats they have had.

She also does this to grown ups. Like the lady in father ted "go on go on go on go on go on go on" drives us all nuts.

Better go and look busy downstairs hmm

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 03-Jul-13 19:31:42

A ganglion gt? I don't think it's likely, it's an odd place for one and doesn't look like one.

GTbaby Wed 03-Jul-13 19:33:02

Yep izzy that's what I meant.

fruitpastilles Wed 03-Jul-13 19:38:42

Haha gt I love father ted, mrs Doyle cracks me up! Although not funny if you're getting that all the time.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 19:59:49

If I complain to Ofsted, what will happen?

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 20:02:54

They will investigate the complaint I assume? Will have a look in to it.

We are just having our first unmitigated disaster of a bedtime. Not bad, 7 months and this is the first time it has gone properly balls up at bedtime.

He fed, took the whole bottle and seemed like he wanted more. No more bottles made up. So now he is wide awake, screeching in his cot, while a bottle cools. hmm

He refused to go asleep, instead he sat bolt upright in my arms, hitting me and investigating the headboard behind me.

Feck. I've never had our bedtime routine fail.


TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 20:11:16

Oh. Okay.

Went back up to him as he had upped the indignant screeching to I'M REALLY FUCKING ANNOYED COME AND RESCUE ME NOW levels!

So I picked him straight up from where he was stuck. He snuggled straight in my arms and closed his eyes hmm. I rocked him gently and patted his bum for 3 minutes. He opened his eyes from time to time, checking I was still there. Touched my face, checking once again, that I am still there! Then he was gone. Put him down, and yep, he's gone.

That was odd. I now have half a bottle sat on the side. D'oh!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 20:15:46

Have had a look on Ofsted website. It will be obvious it has come from me. I'm not sure I have the oomph to do it. Better to just retreat angrily and have done.

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 20:18:14

No no no!! Please don't. Think of the other babies and children who may be in her care. She needs to know she has acted very wrongly here. sad

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Wed 03-Jul-13 20:37:06

BP I do think you should complain, but if the source of the complaint is obvious, wait until you've got your cash back and the contact between you is definitely over.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 20:39:15

She just rang. She has had a think and would like to try again next week. I politely told her to fuck off. A cheque for the full amount we had paid, less the few hours she has had her, is on its way.

When I am feeling a bit more together I may write her a letter, pointing out the issues that I have had there are many She will know any complaint via Ofsted is from me.

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 03-Jul-13 20:39:16

Hello. Been lurking again. Sorry!

pig I am so so sorry to hear about how F had been treated. If you can bear to, please report her. ((Hugs))

Hooray chasing.

vq you have had so much illness to cope with and have managed so well. Am glad you have the anti ds to help.

bry belated happy birthday to R.

det O sounds like so much exhausting fun.

Am sure there are more people to say things to. Oh yes, izzy am v glad you are getting help with J. I never sent the gaviscon as you moved off it pretty quickly. Does anyone else need Gaviscon?

LO on the largest setting of the Motherease one size nappies (birth to potty) plus the large wraps and toddler size Holden's Landings at night. She is a giant though.

Had a tummy bug yesterday. Got two objections to our extension plans. Double fuck sticks.

In other news LO is gorgeous and DD1 is hilarious testing boundaries and turning 3.5 tomorrow.

Sorry to those I've missed. Will be back.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 03-Jul-13 20:39:46

I can not believe a new thread.

Firstly.....thank you so much for all the friendship, reassurance and kind words last night. You lot are absolutely fabulous darlings. My self esteem was once again knocked I to oblivion.

I phoned the loan people.

They said I didn't have any previous loans.

I didn't have enough credit cards.

They could see how I was ok because of this.

So I said basically that my good behaviour had gone against me.


S I went to my bank.



Why didn't I listen to DH who said to Do that in the first place.

Went to the car place.

Bought a grand c max.

Love IT.

Perfect for me. Mahoosive boot when I don't need the two extra seats which I do occasionally but not all the time.

DH was great this morning, Sadi he would get the finance if I couldn't, he doesn't really do sympathetic but I was so worried he would just think I was crap but he didn't.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 03-Jul-13 20:40:12


fruitpastilles Wed 03-Jul-13 20:44:54

Bit late but forgot to say before donna congratulations, got a tad broody reading your news then looked over at S bashing the life out of the surround sound speaker and snapped out of it

sophia that's brilliant news. I too have a very very shit credit rating from being a stupid 19 year old hmm it's reassuring to know it can be recovered! I'm glad your dh was understanding too smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 03-Jul-13 20:44:54

Anyway less about me. O has the pox. He seems ok at the mo, what a trooper. But I know get to the weekend when all the spots are out and it is hot he will really struggle so it is good we have a quiet weekend planned.

He has gone to bed ok so hope we don't have a broken night.

Also need to say

Congrats donna that is wonderful news I hope things going ok for you.

I need to spot up on unthread and find out what has happened to you bpsounds rough.

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 03-Jul-13 20:45:59

Massive cross post. Sorry.

Get in sophia c maxtastic! We are now a two Multipla fog car family.

gt that would drive me crazy.

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 03-Jul-13 20:46:18

Ooh and congrats to donna.

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 03-Jul-13 20:49:29

Uh oh sophia sorry to hear about the pox :-( virasoothe gel is good!

kirrinIsland Wed 03-Jul-13 20:49:32

Shit bplp sad I agree with detective that the CM has done you a favour, but it may be a while before you appreciate that thanks

Ash - just read a bit more and I no longer think it'll be a while before you appreciate that. What a bitch. I would definitely complain sad

detective Yesterday I received a pay slip for over a grand from my old employer. I rang them and asked what it was for and was told it was because I had qualified for the full mat pay with them so they still had to pay it to me even though I had left. Surely not, I said, as I left to take up a new job? But she insisted they were right. As much as I would have liked them to be right, I knew they couldn't possibly be so I asked her to check and get back to me. Sure enough, today I get a phone call explaining they were mistaken and could I return the money. I have reached the conclusion that a lot of HR departments don't really know what they are talking about! I knew that was impossible and I know nothing about HR!

Best wishes to J VQ I have my fingers crossed that your current run of bad luck ends now.

grin grin for the flat chasing Congratulations.

MIL sounds like a nightmare GT

grin at the oven ringing you detective

N is in size 4s. We use the kiddiecare ones from morrisons. They're pretty good.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 20:49:37

< hi-5 sophia >

That's the 2nd hi-5 of the day, who's next??

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 03-Jul-13 20:51:59

bp that is awful. You defo should complain. Some babes can take 3 weeks or so to settle. When O started there was one that was struggling and he just got lots of love and patience. Everyone needs to just stick with it. It's a massive thing for them. Horrible horrible woman. Big piggy hugs for you. I am sorry you had to have that happen, is hard enough going back to work.

chasing I am so happy for you. I hope you feel really excited for your new start! you have done it you are an inspiration. Xx

kirrinIsland Wed 03-Jul-13 20:52:05

Cross post sophia Congrats on the loan. Sorry about the pix - hope its quick and painless!

MissMummy1 Wed 03-Jul-13 20:54:19

Okay, where was I. Stealing myself for 10 minutes with a massive glass of wine. Mid packing, not even started on M's stuff, ballsed up my spray tan, generally getting a bit stressy. I am meant to be graduating tomorrow, 200 fucking miles away shock

Massive congratulations donna - I was momentarily broody too...

BPLP I actually cried reading your post. How fecking awful for you and F. She sounds vile. Complain complain complain. (and give F a big squeezy cuddle from M and me)

Sophia was about to add my sympathies on the loan situ but just read your update - hoorah!

VQ hugs. Lots and lots of hugs!

Chasing my new hair and me are just fine! (minus the above stressyness!) And you have a lovely new home for you and O! Wine all round!!!

Must go and pack....

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Wed 03-Jul-13 20:54:49

Good news about the dosh BP. I was getting all geared up to help you open a mah-hoo-sive can of whoop-ass on that bitch.

sophia well done for challenging. Not currently using credit is a negative, they can't see evidence of your ability to cope. Glad all sorted now.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 20:57:32

MM did you decide what to do with your hair for the graduation? Don't forget to show us on fb.

Madam would have loved to see you in action (oo-er) grin

MissMummy1 Wed 03-Jul-13 20:59:19

Nope still undecided BPLP - I may just leave it natural or stick a fancy clip in it...

Sophia boo to pox :-(

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 20:59:59

Fuck yeah Sophia! Excellent news! Am well jell! I'd love a mahooooosive car. Fed up of squishing in my crappy clio! I might make DP have it come October when his insurance runs out.

Next doors car alarm is going off for the 6th time today. It is REALLY fucking me off now. How long would you leave it before saying something? <Wibble>

Kirrin I can't be arsed with dealing with all that kind of shit. Numpties really get on my only nerve. I just want to poke them in the eye and run away laughing blush.

DP has left the TV on some food channel. It's some American food programme. The woman is making massive meals which look fucking amazing don't get me wrong! but they are so unhealthy. And she is, um, very large. I can't take her seriously. I couldn't make any of her meals as they are full of fat and goodness knows what. I mean they look amazing. But I'd be triple the size I am now! But I'm still drooling and pissed off that he has left the TV on this channel and has the remote. He isn't even in the room FFS!

BP shock. What a prize fucking cow. She is only thinking of herself in this scenario. Cunt cunt cunt. Oooooh, lemme at her!

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 21:10:09

Would I be unreasonable to buy DP a set of fancy kitchen knives for his 23rd birthday?


He has wanted some for ages. Not sure he would want them for his birthday!

But, he loves cooking, and buying him kitchen stuff actually makes him very oddly happy.

I'm still not sure though... I'd kill the bastard if he bought me anything kitchen related for my birthday!

But then again, he is odd...!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 21:10:15

Det my bestest ever chum (who's going to have F on Wednesdays for us, saint) said that, if she'd been there today, she would have "done a Mr Pig" ie. smacked her in the chops.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 03-Jul-13 21:11:15

Woo hoo sophia Nice one. I have a c-max, love it. I would have liked the grand one but our budget didn't stretch that far. Enjoy!

bplp Am so fucking glad you were able to tell her where to go! What a cheek. I really do think you should complain but I can completley understand your feelings in wanting to just walk away.

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 21:13:33

See, protecting ones own brings out the primal side BP. Never have I been close to violence except where my children are concerned!

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 03-Jul-13 21:17:31

Oh and pidj have you looked at ethletic trainers? Like converse but ethical and cheaper to boot (geddit?).

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Jul-13 21:18:46

Thanks for all of your congrats.

I'm feeling a bit odd to be honest. The flat is a step down from what I am used to and it is an area I don't know well and will be completely alone. I have also felt quite ashamed at having to explain to so many people over the past few days that I am completely reliant on benefits at the moment. I know that this is a new start for me and O and this is my rock bottom but it is hard to get my head round the idea.

My plan for the next 12 months is to join baby groups, make the flat nice and cosy, learn to drive and find a job.


Off to bed now to get my head straight.

Donnadoon Wed 03-Jul-13 21:20:52

Thanks again everyone
bplp sorry about your shitty childminder , loved PRs and Dets spitting
sophia sorry your lad got the pox...glad he is battling through it

YellowWellies Wed 03-Jul-13 21:22:18

<Dances with pom poms> for Sophia

MM have a cracking time smile

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 21:23:34

det if you go to tk maxx you can buy a fab set of kitchen knives for 15£. Could be the first and last time I join a conversation of where to buy cool stuff in the uk. Anyway.

Here and now. I have a snot-filled, whiney, crying unable to sleep baby. That would be me! LO also snot filled and difficult but DH dealing with grin sad

Colds suck.

pug I'm so glad you told her where to go. I would secure a place at nursery, as it appears you have done, and complain anyway. She deserves it. At nursery the staff will be able to share the hugs and consolations. And her curiosity will get the better of her - she will decide that the other babies are interesting, and she wants to do what they are doing. I know in the uk it is all about individuality, but kids wants to do what other kids do. Even 8 month old babies. I can see it now with LO and DD1. If DD1 is in the garden, LO wants to be there too. If DD1 is eating on DH's knee, LO wants to eat on mine. It's very tiresome, but kids are reassured by other kids.

sophia your news is wonderful. Well done!

chasing every time I think of your news I do a little jig. As sophia said, you are an inspiration. Am so proud of you.

Erm. Anyone else going on fb more often to check up on quiche news than on real life news? Have realised the quiche has become vvv important. Hmm. Oh well, you all rock !

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 21:28:55

Pug?! I like it <considers name change>

The quiche is the mutts nuts. Couldn't care less about what others are waffling on about on fb. Newsfeed is always full of a combination of Nov 12 babies, and pictures/adverts shared by various acquaintances.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 21:30:31

chasing just read your last post. I know how easy it is to not follow through on plans. I'm not sure I have admitted it on here before but I used to be a professional coach. a good one as my last client married me and would be delighted to help you with setting objectives and following them through. Kind of like a personal business plan. You WILL settle in there and your new life is going to rock.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 21:34:10

Oops sorry about the pug pig

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Jul-13 21:36:55

4 pages? 4 fucking pages?

Hell's bells.

P rocks size 3 sainsbos little ones during the day and size 3 pampers baby dry at night.

I thought I would be a reusable nappy person. I also thought I was a BF person. And a no dummy person. And a no Ella's kitchen person.

I thought I would be a lentil weaving, swishing out the house to drink mochachocasoyskinnyorganicfreerange coffee at 7:30 am with my organic baby clad in her fuzzy nappies sooking happily on my fabulous and still perky norks.

What the fuck did I know? I am too bone idle for fuzzy bums.

The patterned ones are too awesome for words though.

I am in awe of you fuzzy nappy peeps.

ChasingDaisy Wed 03-Jul-13 21:38:21

Thanks PR I will PM you.

pug I like it.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 03-Jul-13 21:45:51

Ooo I like pug too.

det if he wants knives then he will be really pleased with them as a pressing I should think.

We are size 4. I am usually Tesco own but am trying the Waitrose nature natural bio degradable thingy ones, just because a.) that is where I was today b.) I thought they looked softer for the pox.

The grandiose c max is a used one but a demo. It does have a few miles on it, but is immaculate.

I is liking your plan chasing cosy is the name of the game. Normal to be scared, try and chuck in a Bit of excitement though too. We are all exited for you. Xx

BigPigLittlePig Wed 03-Jul-13 21:49:10

Before too long chasing you will be one of them laydeez wot lunches with your chic bachelorette pad.

Off to bed. Anticipating a bad one.
Thanks for today peeps xx

StuntNun Wed 03-Jul-13 21:52:56

No no Detective, he will love them because knives are macho. I was just using DH's santoku knife to cut up a celeriac root and it's so easy. I love having proper sharp knives for cooking. I also have an electric knife sharpener from Lakeland to keep them tip too.

J won't settle again tonight so another bad night for me. This morning I was so tired I just lay listening to him cry next to me on the pillow because I didn't have the energy to get up. He has a cold so it could be that, or teething, or just the fact that he doesn't fucking sleep.

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 21:53:28

Chasing I started off at 16, in a grotty council house with a baby.

Thanks to help from my mother and begrudgingly my dad I got quickly back on my feet.

I went to college for a year when DS1 was 6 months. I learned to drive, started learning when DS1 was 8/9 months, passed test when he was 23 months. My mum helped me to buy my first car. She paid the loan for the first 3 years, I paid the final year.

I went to uni, starting when DS1 was just turned 2.

By the time he was 3.5 I was out the council house and in to a privately rented 4 bed detached house grin always had ideas above my station!.

I qualified when DS1 was just turned 5. I bought a house (on my own grin ) a year later.

So it took 6 years, to reach my final goal. But I did it! Against the odds! And if I can - anyone can!

Ok, I wasn't single, but DS1's dad wasn't much use in the grand scheme.

Hope that gives you a little positive thinking! smile

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 21:54:35

Sounds like the knives could be a good idea then grin!

YellowWellies Wed 03-Jul-13 21:55:11

Pass I thought I'd be into cloth nappies but hells bells my washing pile keeps getting cloned daily. I do however like the sound of those biodegradable ones Sophia as I am feeling like the world's crappest environmental consultant! (though back in the dim and distant I did carbon footprint cloth vs disposable and the difference in carbon terms is minimal --ignores water, landfill, resource depletion issues--)

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 21:55:47

And by the sound of things your Dad will be in the position to give you a good helping hand along the way. smile

It's what any parent would do, right?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 22:02:34

Mwah ha ha. I used to think I would cope with cloth nappies. Then I realised that in France they are nigh on impossible to buy (a) and that I am lazy (b)

DD1 was a week old when I decided to buy a tumble dryer just because of the extra laundry. And she barely even posseted.

I'd have lasted 5 minutes with cloth nappies.

<doffs cap to those that do>

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 22:04:16

Ooooh, another grrrr from me today. I've had a day of GRRRRRRing!

Got a letter from work (another, yes!) saying I was being put in to a pension from 1st July hmm. It is to do with the government forcing employers to put all employees who meet the conditions in to a workplace pension.

I am not in the pension. I don't want to be currently. I am going to join it in 3 years. That has always been my intention. I will be working til fuck knows what age anyway, so delaying starting my pension isn't really an issue.

And who the fuck do the government think they are FORCING me to put my money in to something I DO NOT FUCKING TRUST. I am not giving a penny up to those cunts.

Anyhooooo... I rang work because the letter has absolutely no information about how to say fuck off no. And implied that you couldn't say no!

After a few mumblings, they agreed I could say no, but can not say no until I am enrolled. Which apparently isn't the 1st of July like the letter says. They will write to me again and then I have to ring back.

FFS. Just make a fucking note I said NO!

Kyzordz Wed 03-Jul-13 22:05:09

Gosh guys the end of one fred and the beginning of another to catch up on!? What are you trying to do to me?!?


Glad J enjoyed turtle tots izzy smile I've no advice re: feeding but I hope you manage to find the solution that works best for your family smile How did the pureeing go?

Eliza E's eating sounds like umm, e's lol! He will eat really well sometimes for up to a week but then it goes all rubbish! How did e do with her cup today? Eric's eating has been so so today. Mind you he has drank less today too so he could be having one of those days. Breakfast was hilarious, the usual palava, lunch was a complete no go and tea was wolfed down! Odd boy.

Happy birthday to DS2 stunt smile Hope you get some sleep tonight! You sound like you are in desperate need of some!

det I let e into my bed this morning at 5 till 7:30, he hasn't done it for such a long time and I miss him. Plus tomorrow morning me and dp are going down to london to see bon jovi, I drop e off at 10am and won't see him till 2pm saturday sad I am dreading it, really in knots about it, so bed time tonight took longer and this morning we had extra snuggles. Also why the fuck did you get a phonecall from the jc?!?! you have a bloody job! Idiots!

vq sad sending hugs to you and J, really glad the blood is due to a fissure - well, it's better to not have blood at all but for it to be a fissure rather than something more sinister iyswim is 'good' (I hope this is coming across as i'm meaning it to!) I hope the abs help J's chest, bless him

catbag hellooo! missed you!!!!

sorry to read about the bad nights last night sad very late brew

ooh bry very brave re the party! Hope it goes well and R has a fantastical day smile

yw nine months regression? really? I do not want said regression in this house

Evil half a slice of toast isn't bad going smile Keep up the good work n!

Oh pr that is so cunting unfair! Fucking bolloxing cold! I hope dd2 gets better soon!

pass breakfast goes very similarly here with alot of nnnnnnn nnnnn noises. If preoccupied with toys or something he will eat something from a spoon. If not, he usually will not, and tends to half arsed nom on toast. Soreen goes down much better and he tries and gags on bagel

BPLP OMFG, i would be absoloutely livid and really upset! What a complete and utter bitch! She does not deserve to look after F! She should not be looking after any kids with an attitude like that!!! I would definitely report her, what an awful awful woman. I really hope you find something else for F, what a vile individual, i'm so so so fucked off on your behalf!!!! <Reads onto next fred> ooh hope the nursery is as good as it sounds smile

chasing that is THE best news EVER!!! So so pleased for you and O :D :D :D :D :D I know it's really scary but look how brilliantly you're doing! You will come back from this and do fantastically smile O is so so so fucking lucky to have you

Guyyysss stop talking a minute i've only just finished the last fred!!! Right.... onto this ere new one!

Cloth nappies... had always intended on using them, and never got round to it blush and I wouldn't know where to start now! E has size 5+ pampers active fit in the day and the blue dry wotsits at night, though.

I also love the sticky on fb, some gorgeous names, and lovely to realise who is who, I think I had most people sorted anyway but not everybuddy

I need to get the end of a fred at some point, i have never finished one yet!

Sounds like a good plan with the bananas pr. What I am sick of is the fact eric likes to poo in his highchair. So twice this week i have thrown a vest away because he has made it all shitty and grimm because he poos and wiggles and eats and just ew. The only saved bit was the boy himself. And even then he practically needed a hosing down!

Glad you're feeling better now det eating are important, you knows!

gt that would royally piss me off. I have had the same 'argument' with my dps grandparents. They constantly want to give him bars of chocolate or biscuits! I'm not fussed about him having the odd treat but he doesn't need stuffing full of them all the while and definitely not just before a bottle when I know he'll ram the lot down his neck!

LOL PR I will be in a hotel room with dp for two nights from tomorrow. I hope to pass the time in the same manner as the flies :P though not on the ceiling

also, hope you feel better soon, and LO too

Hey meals! lovely to hear from you smile

sophia WOOOHOOO!!! glad o seems ok with the pox hope they piss off soon

mm1 i have had a packing session for going to london. I have had to pack e's stuff too because he is going to mil's for the time we are away. It is mega stressy packing for me, dp and then e! Why does it feel like moving out when i have to pack eric's things?!?! Hope you get your packing etc done alright smile

fuck me, page 4, finally!!!

det if you reckon he'd like them, go for it! smile My mum likes kitchen stuff too the weirdo. Or at least i hope she does cos i keep buying her it :P Not really, I always buy her something she needs eg kitchen stuff and then something she wants too like a book

oh pass you make me laugh! I thought similar and didn't manage it either! Eric has a dummy, is ff, eats pouches of ek and has disposable nappies. am the epitome of lazy in mum-world

Oh my goodness!

Right, to add my little bit, if anyfucker has gotten this far...

Took E swimming today for the first time, how crap am i?!?! and he adored it, tried swimming, didn't cry even though he was tired, was really enjoying himself smile He's been a sod bit difficult with food today and i'm now worried about going away tomorrow :S but he'll be ok, right?

He has stayed at mils overnight so i know he is ok there, and he was there during the days when Elyza was in hospital, I just worry and I am going to miss him more than I could describe. It's not fair. Why is it that when I leave him for any length of time I feel like I can't breathe? Who on earth made me this way? Sure I love other people but if they went away, ok, fine, see you soon. If e is not there I feel like a deer in headlights. I panic, and I worry, and I fret and then I panic some more.

Come across a lovely song by Rod Stewart called pure love. Unfortunatley came across it on the ipod tonight putting eric to bed, ended up in utter pieces on the floor with him laughing his tits off snogging my chin. Weirdo. God I love that boy.

Right... I have checked, there have been no more posts, and this must be the longest one to date...?

Kyzordz Wed 03-Jul-13 22:06:20

oh detective and your most recent grrr post sneaking in!

GRRRRR wink wink

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 22:13:23


Sowwwwwwy Kyz grin

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Jul-13 22:15:13

Stopping by again dead quick.

Huzzah huzzah booyakasha to yoo sophia!

Lol at being snogged kyz! P has discovered my eyeballs and keeps trying to pluck them out. In a lovin way.

BP DH has offered to arrange a hit man. Dexter stylee? Ya dig?

How wiz yer piknik YW?

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 22:16:04

Feel the same re: leaving him.

I think because the last couple of months have been such hard work in terms of sleep/feeding I feel that if anyone else looks after him all the work will be undone. So I feel nervy leaving him. Even though O is actually fine with being left. As far as MIL says anyway!! Plus as much as I'd love a break, I just don't want to leave him. Feels like a massive part of me has dropped off. You know, like my leg. Or my brain. confused

It's hard. It is. There is no getting away from it. Just enjoy your time off and look forward to getting back to him!

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 22:17:16

Do they do baby knee pads?!

O's knees were very red this evening after a day of crawling about!

Poor boy! It probably didn't help that he was just in a vest today as it was warm, and he was too hot in a babygrow in our house!

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Jul-13 22:20:13

Oh and izzy my DH has gout like *BP suggested. It does look like that. It flares up and hurts like you can't imagine. Well, you probably can. At its worst it was excruciating. It is transient and ibuprofen is the key. Paracodol is also good.

He is not elderly or rotund or port drinking well, not much anyway!!

Kyzordz Wed 03-Jul-13 22:45:54

I worry he will refuse to eat anything, I also worry he will forget me. Dp booked the tickets, I wanted to go, I also wanted to go and see pulp but didn't because I couldn't bear to leave him. But dp meant well and I do love bon jovi and mil has had e before and sees him at least once a week, I am sure he will be fine <wibble>

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 03-Jul-13 22:52:48

Kyz puree making went well, hoping puree eating foes too ! Will update tomorrow!

pass I've only ever seen gout all red and shiny lookin but maybe it is. Who knows?! Have blood tests tomorrow and will get results next week I expect.

Bedtime for me. James has bee down twenty minutes, with one wake up already!

Passmethecrisps Wed 03-Jul-13 22:53:39

<grabs kyz>

<states slightly intensely onerous her eyes>

He. Will. Be. Absolutely. Fine!

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Jul-13 22:54:56

Not caught up properly, but just wanted to say Detective - you see me smile I could have written that myself if I were only honest enough. Of course you left out the bronchiofuckinglitis and recurring chest infections for him and me, and the fact I am very old and very fat. Plus I do not have a 21yo with a huge wanger begging me for sex every day grin

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 03-Jul-13 22:54:57

Get off FB vq and get off of here too! Bed! Now!

ValiumQueen Wed 03-Jul-13 22:55:15

Ok mum x

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 03-Jul-13 22:56:35

Night night :-) sleep tight sweetheart lol

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 22:59:20

izzy good luck with the purees. I use the same Avent pots. They are so useful.

kyz enjoy the time off and mind that ceiling [wink_]

Night quiche.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 03-Jul-13 22:59:33

Ooops wink

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Jul-13 23:01:02

Aaaargh, too much to catch up on! Sorry, I'm not as organised as Kyz!

I find an extra load of washing every three days far easier than hauling boxes of nappies up the stairs and storing them!

Cam home from work tonight to a baby asleep in his cot and vvvdp watching tv <proud mummy> he's still asleep (from 8:15) so fx Operation Forcefeed Milk has been a success hmm

kirrinIsland Wed 03-Jul-13 23:02:07

I got some cloth nappies off free cycle in just before DD1 was born. And put them back on free cycle again a year later, having never even taken them out of the box blush Who was I kidding?! I am far too lazy for that sort of thing!

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 03-Jul-13 23:07:31

Detective I vote for the knives. Sounds like a thoughtful present from what you've said.

VQ Go the fuck to bed my lovely.

Kyz Yes, I agree. Both E's sound remarkably similar. This morning she couldn't get enough of the cup but would she take puree from a spoon today, would she hell! Prefered finger foods which I'm happy to give her but I need to make sure she gets food into her, which she bearly does doing it BLW stylee. She loves holding the food, playing with it and noming it, but then coughs it back up. I wish I could work her out. They are silly little sausages!

And make sure you go to Bon Jovi. E will be fine, you will be fine and you'll have a great time. It's hard leaving them but it does get easier.

itsnotyouitsMeals Wed 03-Jul-13 23:07:58

Thanks kyz

You will have an amazing time and E will be fine though it is vvv hard to leave them. LO had her first bottle on Fri as DH and I went to see Laurie Anderson at the barbican. We were gone 5 hours and I cried on the way there! It's still hard second time.

I did not think I would be the co-sleeping type but still doing it 3.5 years down the line! You never know... though did always plan to cloth bum. Getting a load of nappies free from a mate helped. She's having number three any day and I need to return them. Luckily I have another load from a friend. Lots of cloth bum types in Oxford.

chasing have said it before, but you are brave and strong and can do anything. det is an inspiration.

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 23:11:27

I snorted and made the dog bark VQ.

I am very fat, and feel old too. smile Nothing like children to add a decade or 3 on, is there?

DP thinks he could keep up daily shagging. The reality is, he can not! Hah! He's got nothing on this old bird ;) Not that anything is occurring lately thanks to O!.

But yes, I skated over the broncifuckinlitis and termed as 'illness' lmao. But given it is sweary wednesday, I should have fucking well included it grin.

Feeling any better? Chest wise?

TheDetective Wed 03-Jul-13 23:14:29

Inspiration? shock

No, just lucky. smile Hard work and luck, and at least one good parent to make sure they were there to catch me when I fell. Thank fuck!

I should go to bed. Really. Right now....

Have fun kyz. You WILL be fine! More importantly. E will be fine!

I'd kill to see the Jove. Biatch! grin

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Jul-13 23:20:13

Aaaaaand he's awake. 3 hours. Ah well.

Happy to find a loving home for any unused fluff. I shall fb a pic of my new favourite wrap grin

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 03-Jul-13 23:22:28

I can beat that pidg J is awake after an hour... Screaming! Not fun! I want to sleep!

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 03-Jul-13 23:23:32

pr my avent pots arrived today from amazon. I am well impressed!

Pikz Thu 04-Jul-13 02:18:56

<sneaks back into civilisation>
I need one of pass's summaries for the past week..

LuisGarcia Thu 04-Jul-13 02:52:39

I need one of pass's summaries for the past week..

Chasing has a flat and everyone is secretly applauding, VQ has everyone worrying about quichemummy, MrDetective is earning a d to go with his p and it's driving her to find new things to rant about, GTBaby has the squits, donnadoon has some news for you, PR is taking it to the highest court in the land, BPLP's cm got some seriously terrible careers advice at school, Sophia needed and got a quiche cuddle, and everyone is outing themselves on facebook, comparing nappies, wishing they could give Izzy a night off and getting mad at Stacks gp.

kirrinIsland Thu 04-Jul-13 03:49:13

Brilliant summary luis smile Now, if you could just do that every day?!

StuntNun Thu 04-Jul-13 05:05:38

Oh no busting headache. hmm That'll teach me for hitting the wine last night after a terrible day. The conversation went like this:

Me: Oops I appear to have accidentally opened a bottle of Merlot.
DH: How did that happen?
Me: Not sure, the lid just came off in my hand.

Hurry up and feed, J, mummy needs painkillers and a glass of water.

Lily311 Thu 04-Jul-13 05:06:02

Great summary.

I luff my cloths. It is much much easier to wash them than always looking when I need to buy nappies. Not to mention wipes, i have not bought a packet since O arrived. saved quite a lot i guess.I started with OneLife, than little lambs, lollipop, charliebanana, eBay cheapies, fuzzy buns but now only have the eBay cheapies and lollipop. Sold the rest.

kyz you will be fine dreading next weekend when my mum will have O from sat pm till sun pm
sophia I'm so very pleased for you, glad your bank approved.
det knives are awesome. I still can't get my head round how young your OH is. Or how young everyone is in the quiche. I feel I'm an oldie.
chasing it will be fine. The place will only have happy memories. I still don't know the area or anyone around here, it's not as bad asi thought it will be.

MissMummy1 Thu 04-Jul-13 05:27:22

I think I am the youngest.....

I have woken up with a bloody cold. Or hayfever or something. I am coughing and sneezing and feel quite sick (defs not wine flu, I stopped at half a glass) Today is going to be fun...

StuntNun Thu 04-Jul-13 07:30:55

Apart from the hangover we had a brilliant night last night. The evening was rubbish, we didn't get J properly asleep until 10 but then he slept until almost 5 (probably shouldn't have stayed up having wine and cheese and watching Person of Interest. Then after my shower I went in to see J and he was playing with his teddy in his cot. Hopefully that means he's getting over this rotten cold just after infecting me apparently.

Evilwater Thu 04-Jul-13 07:35:13

Just catching up, N has had a very snotty nose and now it has gone to his chest. sad he has been waking up every night screaming/crying. One night he had to sleep with me because he just couldn't settle. So he has become clingy. So we are going to the Drs as this has all happened since he came off the antibiotics, sad P is coming too, and is starting to take more interest in N. grin

Chasing-chasing that's amazing!
Big- that's awful about the childminder.
Sophia- we had loads of trouble with trying to get our morgate. I'm so glad yours is all sorted.
Nappies- I knew that reusables where not right for us.
Donna- congrats

I'm sorry that I've not posted.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 08:32:22

Morning all.

Feeling much more positive today, like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. Thanks for all the support yesterday and offers of hitmen!

Stunt sounds like a lovely evening, I hope you don't suffer the after effects for too long. I long for the days when I didn't get a hangover, now I only need to sniff a sambuca.

Izzy and pidj how was the rest of the night?

Looking forward to hearing how J gets on playing with the purees today, Izzy - hopefully some will accidentally get into his mouth (I'm presuming that's the aim?) I know Fs first food was lime jelly during messy play at baby group grin luckily we avoided the custard

Evil I hope N is ok, not nice to see them upset.

Kyz holy moly, that was an epic post last night my love! Can't wait to see the length of the post when you get back from London wink Enjoy yourself, lots.

Luis how are your knees these days? And how is Ls sleep?

Just trying to think of things I need to ask the nursery. It's all a bit strange and new, hoping I will either like it, or not confused and it will be obvious.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Thu 04-Jul-13 08:34:18

luis great summary, very witty, I especially liked the "careers advice" comment.

evil poor N. S has had a horrid cough he just cannot shift. He's on round 2 of antibiotics. Hope you get something from the GP.

stunt high-5 for good night! And the whole "the lid just came off in my hand" made me LOL.

det my DH would be super happy with some knives for his b'day, I think definitely go for it.

kyz it will all be fine. It is very hard to leave them to start off with, but the more you do it, the easier it gets.

We had our floors steam cleaned y'day. Old terrace house with original wooden floorboards in lounge and kitchen diner. Lovely, but really hard to keep properly clean because we are lazy mainly. With DS zooming around the floors, licking them, we thought we would get it done properly. It's amazing. I think this is how I know I am a proper grown up, I actually derive pleasure in spending money on getting things sorted at home, rather than spending it all completely frivolously (although a lot of that is still going on).

PetiteRaleuse Thu 04-Jul-13 08:57:12

Excellent summary luis

Morning all. Sorry about the hangover stunt ; good luck at the nursery pig ; hope things are improving in the valium household (ooh that sounds bad doesn't it? grin ) and good luck at the doctor's evil

TheDetective Thu 04-Jul-13 09:19:16

Morning! Seems like okay nights??

O woke at 2.30 again. Whyyyyyy?! You are 7 months old. You have slept through. You certainly can go til 5-6am before waking.

Please do it again.


PetiteRaleuse Thu 04-Jul-13 09:20:55

It is so much harder to get saline drops and a snot sucker into an 8 month old than it was a few months ago.

StuntNun Thu 04-Jul-13 09:22:05

There's a trick I do with a headlock and one knee PR.

^ was a joke in case anyone's about to report me to SS.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 09:29:10

PR in the dead of night the other night, when F was drowning in snot, I could barely even wipe her nose, she was thrashing so violently. I did think that a snot sucker would have the potential to accidentally perform a frontal lobotomy or similar.

ChasingDaisy Thu 04-Jul-13 09:33:47

Morning quiche

pig good luck at the nursery today. Surely anything will be better than the CM from hell, right?

stunt so pleased you got a good night.

kyz I know how hard it will be for you to leave E, but he definitely won't forget you smile

Good night here, 6.45-4-5.30-7.30. My dad looked after him while I had a shower and he said that he managed a backwards crawl/shuffle thing grin Off to the library later for story time.

Feeling a bit more positive after some sleep. Lily and det you are my inspiration and PR is my coach smile

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 09:36:16

<plans baby-proofing of pig residence within the next few days, as chasings O is becoming mobile>

Have written down the multiple grievances re: CM. I am going to write a letter of complaint to her, and copy it to Ofsted. A friend has pointed out that I am too nice and try to see the best in everyone, but in this situation, I need to complain, I really do. It doesn't matter if she doesn't like me (repeats ad infinitum). Will post on fb once it's written.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 04-Jul-13 10:06:25

I will be drafting an important letter today too. If DD1 lets me.

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 10:15:31

Morning all :-) After seeing Luis refer to me as quiche mummy, I am considering a name change, although quiche granny may be more apt. I am the oldest by a long shot, and I see Stunt as Quiche Mummy :-) obviously Luis is Quiche Daddy, and not just by default. MM is quiche baby smile Kyz is Quiche big sister and Chasing is Quiche hero, Pass is Quiche Nutter wink and I will not go any further for fear of causing offence grin

YellowWellies Thu 04-Jul-13 10:17:41

I've left two loads of dry washing out on the line in a monsoon. Arse. Not the most auspicious start to the day. grin

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 10:17:53

I guess I should mention J too really. He is awesome. He slept from 10.30 to 9am although of course that worries me. He is full of smiles whilst trying very hard to breathe. He vomited all bottles but one yesterday, but is still peeing. He loves his antibiotics thank fuck.

Today I am thankful for antibiotics. And the quiche. Obviously. Always thanks

PetiteRaleuse Thu 04-Jul-13 10:29:19

I forgot it is thankful Thursday.

I am thankful for my paed who took one look at a photo of DD1's poo and said too much milk. I am thankful that she didn't say to stop all dairy and am thankful that the fact that DD1 just had one milk feed yesterday means that today the contents of her potty were much improved.

I am thankful for another type of professional that will help me in the weeks to come.

I am thankful for cbeebies.

I am thankful that this cold is not too bad and that I am already feeling better. I am hopeful that LO will be the same in a couple of days, and am hopeful that DD1 may not catch it at all.

I am, as ever, thankful for the quiche, for the laughs, the tears, the support and the hugs. And the swearing. Problems seem smaller when you've got 60+ people cheering you on.

Pikz Thu 04-Jul-13 10:53:25

I am thankful to be back in England and on my way home grin

Pikz Thu 04-Jul-13 10:53:53

I am also very thankful for luis's summary!

Lily311 Thu 04-Jul-13 10:57:35

I am so excited, I bought one of those bins which you can fix on cupboard door and opens up as you open the cupboard. I'm sad,I know but I always wanted one grin.

Good luck [bigpig], hope you like the nursery.

[stunt] you made me laugh, did you read the thread in nannies where nanny accused the mum of being an abuser? For getting calpol in the child. O certainly can complain too as I have to restrain her to get some medicine in.

[kyz] enjoy Bon jovi.

Anyone have an idea what to cook from rhubarb? My dad said he never ate any and they are coming for dinner tmrw before we go to the theatre. I'm thinking apple and rhubarb crumble? not that I ever cooked one before

I'm thankful for my student card as I can buy cheap travel cards.
Thankful for my lovely babysitter so I can finally get back into shape. Also thankful that it's dead cheap here.
Thankful for the quiche, I luff you all.
I am thankful for O, she makes me feel good, loved, cheerful and needed.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Thu 04-Jul-13 11:00:14

VQ do go further. I like the idea of Official Quiche Roles. Always interesting the way one is perceived by others methinks.

Thankful Thursday, eh?

I am very thankful for the quiche. It's good to know there is a friendly supportive place to go with anything. Coming onto the thread is like going into a big roomful of friends who are ready to help solve any problem. I may be calling on you guys soon. Just in case wont post details here, will go to FB.

VQ I am also thankful for anti-biotics, and the fact that S seems to like the taste.

chasing I don't want to sound patronising, but I am very proud of you. It cant be easy to effectively start a new life, on your own, but you are doing so bloody well. Making the flat all cosy will be lovely, and you can so carve out a lovely, happy, fear-less existence for you and O.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 04-Jul-13 11:14:10

...and you know there is always someone there with some support. Is great. I love the quiche too.

Am sporting the baby drool on shoulder look in the office today!

Marking place while I catch up

Few quick comments in the end of the last thread

Cocking illnesses VQ Hope J is better soon
Cunting work det
Arsing nobhead CM BP

YellowWellies Thu 04-Jul-13 11:17:34

I am thankful the sun's come out so I can just leave the washing on the line. Bagsie I'm the quiche's bovine stasi operative grin . Death to moo juice!

It's raining again mudderfupping BBC weather and its startling inaccuracy for anywhere north of Watford envy . Ah well it'll be sunny later.

PurplePidjin Thu 04-Jul-13 11:25:17

I'm clearly the Quiche nappy bore Hippy wink despite my lack of cosleeping-blw-dreadlocks-n-tiedye credentials!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 12:07:29

Thankful for nurseries with spaces at short notice.
Thankful for the quiche and it's ready supply of hitmen and women.
Thankful for my mum who is just ace.

Am back from seeing not one but two nurseries.

First one, with the meadow, was lovely. Airy, bright, small (in terms of number of children), well-spoken staff (yes, snob alert). Open plan between different ages but with low-level barriers to stop rowdy toddles trampling on the immobile babies. But cost a freaking fortune, and completely unflexible, ie. you pay for 4 full days, regardless of what you actually need/use. F got picked up by one of the staff and wept.

Second one, on hospital grounds, is less nice, premises wise. A bit hot and stuffy like the rest of the hospital then, smaller rooms which are isolated from one another. Less immediate outdoor space, but access to the local parks. They charge per quarter of an hour (!), and work their staffing around the demand placed on them - so can accomodate shifts and charge accordingly. They charge a minimal retainer if you are on holiday and therefore not using them. F played happily for 30 minutes whilst I was in and out of the room, one of the carers sat next to her but not in her face (which she bloody hates) and chatted to her, and had lots of smiles.

If money and time were not an issue, I would want to try the first one. But they are an issue, and I need somewhere flexible. The bonus is that F seemed happier in the 2nd one, and I will be no more than 10 minutes walk away if she is upset.

Evilwater Thu 04-Jul-13 12:27:09

I'm thankful for the NHS, which I've used many times as a worried mother. I'm also thankful for my friends who have made me realise my faults of course the quiche.

The dr said N is fine. It was just reassurance given.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Thu 04-Jul-13 12:36:04

Glad N is fine evil.

BP tough one if you are torn. The first one does sound lovely, but your childcare needs to work for you, and it doesnt sound like that one will. Given your job, shift work etc, and the location, cost and flexibility, from a completely outside point of view, seems like a no brainer to me.

sophia I get dressed literally last thing before I leave the house to try and avoid that look. I usually have errant baby emmissions somewhere.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 04-Jul-13 12:42:11

pig I agree. No brainer. Would go with the second one. Would you be able to pop in during breaks like they do in greys anatomy ?

ChasingDaisy Thu 04-Jul-13 12:49:19

Yep, no-brainer pig smile

Loving the quiche roles chat but blush at mine. I am not worthy. Definitely agree with Luis as quiche daddy and not by default. He is a strong backbone (pastry?) for our quiche and is a shining example of how a daddy should be.

Currently sat eating my lunch in a park which I have just walked round 50 times to get O to sleep while O snoozes. I don't know where my shy, clingy boy has gone. He loved story time, which was full of noisy children and singing. But he was smiling and babbling away, was happy to be held by my friend and even gave her a wave of sorts as we left smile

I am feeling very poorly today. I need the Quiche Doctor please.

Today I am thankful for the quiche. More than I can say thanks

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 04-Jul-13 12:51:33

bp having had 4 mini fairies through nursery my advice would be that yes outside space is important, but what's most important is the atmosphere when you are there. Imagine your first gut feel when you walk in. f will get the feel too. Look at as many as you like you will get there in the end.

I looked at two posh expensive ones and one cheaper one, funnily enough also on hospital grounds. The expensive ones were lovely but the cheaper one that didn't look so snazzy had a lovely industrious happy atmosphere when I walked in. My mum was an Ofsted Inspector specialising partly in nursery provision that is attched to school sand I tried hard to think about what she would have said.

I went with my gut and it has been great. They are like an extended family to us and when I had O they were so helpful as we have no family locally. All the girls do babysitting for extra pennies. DS1 loves it when the one that we use comes round.

I was quite tearful writing their resignation letter!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 12:57:10

Chasing you called!?

Sophia it's tricky, because on gut feeling alone, I'm not sure. I am torn. I preferred the 1st one, but F seemed happier in the 2nd. If I had known the costs beforehand, I wouldn't have looked at the first because I can't really afford it (£705 a month for 4 days/week).

I think I will end up using the 2nd, for convenience as much as anything. And yes PR I can pop in on my breaks grin

ChasingDaisy Thu 04-Jul-13 13:02:52

pig I have a sore throat and a cold. Could you please prescribe me a full day of bed rest and junk comfort food. And inform Oscar of his responsibility to allow me to do this grin

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 13:04:47

<attempts Jedi mind tricks with O>

Not sure if that worked and I missed the lecture where they told us how to make babies listen

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 04-Jul-13 13:21:05

Maybe pop back for a second look pig. To stimulate your gut! grin

Pikz Thu 04-Jul-13 13:53:43

Pig I agree with the wise fairy. Go back and check how your gut feels.

Get better chasing

Babies don't get jet lag do they!

itsnotyouitsMeals Thu 04-Jul-13 14:00:08

Also pig do you get childcare vouchers? Up to £243 a month salary sacrifice so worth £80 more due to not being taxed on them. More if higher rate tax payer. Might sweeten the cost of first nursery if that's the one you want

Just a thought also but maybe F needs a v long settling in period? Our nursery (been going on about it on FB as it is fab) won't take a child until they are happy they've settled so do loads of sessions with you and then build up the time they're left if that's what's needed. Perhaps ask the nurseries their policy on this? Sorry if stating the blimmin' obvious!

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 14:34:18

Pig do you qualify for the childcare element of working tax credits? Might be worth checking as can be worth up to 70% of your fees. The vouchers can be claimed by both parents if their employers do them, and I know for a fact yours do. I personally would go for the hospital one. Up I have never been able to find anywhere that just allows you to pay for what you use, and being near enough to pop in would be great, although I do not recommend it as can be unsettling for baby and mummy.

I have antibiotics for my lovely chest infection.

Jacob has a lower strength steroid for his eczema.

He also has Domperidone for his reflux, on trial for a month. If no improvement we can try Omeprazole.

Oh, and I am signed off to the end of the month. I guess I should tell my boss. Tomorrow.

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 04-Jul-13 14:36:05

Sit down vq I will bring you a knee blanket and a cuppa. Xx

Pikz Thu 04-Jul-13 14:41:15

Massive massive cuddles VQ

itsnotyouitsMeals Thu 04-Jul-13 14:45:45

Get well soon vq & vp.

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 14:50:35

Ha ha, thank you smile lovely cuppa!

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 14:51:03

Thank you ladies thanks

PetiteRaleuse Thu 04-Jul-13 14:56:08

Sounds positive vq

Can excema be worsened by hard water? I ask because LO has two patches on her face which come and go. They went completely at my mum's , where the water is so soft it feels like conditioner compared to the disgusting water we get here, where you get out of the shower and have dry skin. Anyway her excema is coming back.

DD1 has just, albeit a bit late in the day, gone for a nap. In her bed. smile

meals our nursery has a long settling in period too. It's a good idea.

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 14:58:16


Thoughts anyone? (Property Porn) I think it would cost quite a bit to get sorted, but may be a little gem one day. Not sure.

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 15:01:26

PR Jacob has not had many baths in his short life as he always has a sodding cold. I do however wash him twice a day, and his neck more often. I use oilatum so I would think that would balance any hard water. Good thought though, and yes I am happy with what the Dr and Consultant said. He is also to have 2 sachets of gaviscon with every sodding bottle. There may be prunes on his future.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Thu 04-Jul-13 15:07:55

Settling in very important. My nursery has a standard offering but they amend it if the child needs more.

VQ I doubt BP is entitled to any tax credits. But the voucher scheme is definitely worth it, both DH and I do that and it does make financial sense. Just wish I could sacrifice more!

Glad you got some drugs VQ. You get better.

Excellent news re miniPR.

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 15:11:19

Probably not Madame. I keep forgetting that I have three kids, and that makes a lot of difference to how much you can earn and claim. If we just had one, we would not qualify.

Lily311 Thu 04-Jul-13 15:14:17

Go the fuck to sleep O, stop fighting.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 04-Jul-13 15:25:29

Ooh that looks lovely vq in need of some freshening up but I like

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Thu 04-Jul-13 15:27:35

Good idea though, even if wishful thinking!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 04-Jul-13 15:33:40

Love it for a long term family home. I love those old typical Scottish houses they make me think COSY

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 04-Jul-13 15:53:15

vq I didn't know you saw paeds today. Good news they are doing a trial of meds. The domperidone is used to speed up gut movement and help vomiting isn't it? Is J sick quite a lot then? Forgive me if you've already said.

I had that daft childrens nurse out today. All my puree making was pointless as after she had spoken to the SALT they felt that playing without food would be more beneficial just now to encourage him to get used to touch on his face and maybe try putting toys in his mouth and to copy us opening our mouths etc etc. She has said it will be a very long process :-(

She discussed the BF thing a little. I get the feeling she too thinks I should quit. She talked about maybe getting DH to do night feeds with bottles so he only gets breast during the day and doesn't comfort feed at night. She also is of the impression I need to have him fully on bottles prior to my surgery. I'm honestly so stuck as to what to do sad

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 16:10:58

Izzy I saw the GP who had been in touch with the Consultant paediatrician for an opinion. Jacob is not and has never been a puker, except due to coughing which is entirely different. They want him to have double gaviscon to keep everything down, and Domperidone to move the food through. I think it is bollocks, but I am not a paediatrician. I bet you were pissed off about the purée. Grr!

As far as I am concerned I have already moved into that house and am decorating after the builders have finished the two storey extension grin It is a lovely house in a great semi-rural location with masses of potential, and could be a forever home, but in the meantime would be more than adequate. It is very near the centre of Falkirk, but you would not think so. We also have chickens and a vegetable plot grin DH is a bit smitten too, and considering he only drove past it this morning.... Oh well, no harm in dreaming.

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 16:12:31

Cosy is very important in Scotland.

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 16:15:53

I am very suspicious of the false ceilings though. Been caught out there before.

Pikz Thu 04-Jul-13 16:17:33

VQ I would love that as project house!!

GTbaby Thu 04-Jul-13 16:21:57

Luis- I have the squits! I hope your referring to the verbal kind wink

GTbaby Thu 04-Jul-13 16:21:57

Luis- I have the squits! I hope your referring to the verbal kind wink

LuisGarcia Thu 04-Jul-13 16:24:51

That's a great double post, but I was referring to your excuse for MNing in secret

PetiteRaleuse Thu 04-Jul-13 16:31:13

I keep thinking it is Friday and have been frantically checking my inbox. I have to find something to do to get me through tomorrow without exploding with impatience.

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 16:31:34

Right, that makes sense now Luis.

The kitchen is fugly! Have you seen where the oven is? WTF? Deffo a project. Reckon they would need to take less for it too as it would be a brave person who would buy it.

GTbaby Thu 04-Jul-13 16:39:46

Luis only issue there is that she will want to feed me xyz because it'll do my insides good shock I can not give her any excuse to feed me.

School sports day so am exhausted. Didn't do much. But still. PIL have guests for afternoon tea so I'm hiding in room "resting". Trying desperately not to fall asleep as it will mess me up tonight, and I'll have nothing to do other then post here grin

I'm getting constant mild heart burn every evening and today have swollen feet shock being updiffed is not nice ATM

TheDetective Thu 04-Jul-13 17:09:52

VQ I actually think that sounds a good plan from GP. I know you say he just voms when he coughs but do you mean he has an actual cough/cold at the time? O coughs then voms 75% of the time he voms. The rest of the time he just spits up silently and rubs his hands in it!.

I'll await your clarification!

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 17:21:32

Yep. Cold inducing cough. Little possets occasionally otherwise. Better than being told to fuck off, and she did not say that the consultant had said it was not reflux either.

Kyzordz Thu 04-Jul-13 18:37:53

Hello all, updating from London! Hotel is minutes from the British museum so just had a potter round there. My tummy is in knots and I am struggling to keep tears at bay, I miss Eric so much sad but it is lovely to be somewhere else and I'm really looking forward to tomorrow smile I am assured Eric is fine, he isn't eating solids too well but I am trying to reassure myself it's not the end of the world, he still gets plenty of milk. Anyway, enough waffling about me, let me read what you guys have been up to...

brew for the bad nights but there aren't that many of them by the looks of it??? E did 7:45 - 6-30 then came in with me till 7:20, so I am not going to complain. He only wanted his dummy but I wanted cuddles blush

Brill summary luis!

Lol stunt sounds like a well deserved bottle though! Pleased you had a good night last night smile FC he is getting over it now smile

Oh mm hope you feel better soon!

evil glad doctors said n is fine smile and it's great p is taking more of an interest in him now

bplp you didn't think you could get shot of me that easily do you? ;) I am having a break from London with a cuppa in the hotel room because my feet are killing me and my nerves aren't allowing me to have a coffee in a coffee shop blush. Having said that I'm gearing up for a pint in a pub later on! I'll feel better after a drink or two. I am glad you have decided to complain, it really does need doing, will look for letter on fb later smile I would go with the second of the two from what you've written it sounds like it suits your situation more smile

Ooh madame I bet they are wonderfully clean! I do love a good clean floor, it doesn't matter how much you polish and tidy the floor neeeeeds to be clean IMO to make it look all finished

Aww vq I am honoured to have a quiche title smile blush I am not sure i deserve one though. Bless j, wonderful sleep from him but understandable that you are worried. FC he improves soon, poor mite. I hope the drs new plan works for him. He is such a gorgeous gorgeous boy. Lots of cuddles for you too

Helloooo pikz!!

I've always wanted one of those bins too lily am quite jealous now!

chasing hope you're feeling better soon bless you

No idea about water and eczema pr but woohoo, dd1 is doing fantastic!

izzy sorry you didn't get to use purées but hope the process helps j, bless him sad

Right, I'm pissing off back out now, see you all later, am so thankful for the quiche and dp and mil for having e and e for being great. You lot are like an extended family and I rang mil and then mum and then came to update you all and read what you've been up to

YellowWellies Thu 04-Jul-13 19:44:09

Kyz enjoy!!!!

VQ good luck with the Dom Perignon as we christened it in our house.

BPLP local would be my choice I reckon and only paying for what you use is as rare as hens teeth.Thinking about my primary school I didn't care about the appearance or facilities it was the 'feel' of it. Somewhere warm, cosy and full of happy little folks even if the setting wasn't perfect.

Quick q - has anyone else's wee person been reeeeeeeaaally sleepy when teething? He's had 3x 1.25 hour naps today. This is unheard of since he was teensy.

We also had our first injury today - he face planted onto a hard plastic pirate toy and has a big bruised nose. Poor sausage. Hope he hasn't got black eyes in the morning shock. Am glad he was sleepy before this or else I'd be worrying about concussion paranoid Mummy.

Listening to DH readying him for bed - it sounds as though wee hands might have found a code brown nappy grin grin grin grin DH sounds rather queasy wink.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 19:56:29

YW grin at code brown - might use that phrase for dh next time a nappy situation occurs on his watch.

VW thanks to help you get well soon - all of you. Hope the concoction helps J, although am sure if germs would just do one, he'd be a bit better.

PR that's awesome news re: dd1, long may it continue.

Kyz have a wine for us all

Izzy I suppose it's too late to stick the purees in the freezer now? Guess it'll be soup for tea tomorrow wink. Please don't feel pressured into stopping bf. Giving bottles at night is one way of breaking the link, but I managed to night wean F without doing that, and without dhs help. It can be done, and you can continue to bf, so that alone should not be a reason to stop.

Had a major wobble earlier. Nursery 1 in my head has a big sunshine over it and the fucking meadow and nursery 2, well, it's more in the shade. But I know it needs to be nursery 2, really. I am going to have a quick google of other nurseries around the hospital though, to be absolutely certain. MIL has F for 4 hours tomorrow, so could be interesting. This afternoon, I went to a friends, who F knows very well and is usually quite happy with. I sat F on her lap whilst I went to do something and within seconds she was sobbing, proper heart rending cries. This week has really screwed her up sad

Lucky garden got a loooong pm from me. Am considering just writing, "Dear Ofsted, please read the incoherent ramblings below, then action"

kirrinIsland Thu 04-Jul-13 20:06:22

Seems like most of us had a reasonable night?!

That house looks great VQ Needs some work, but not too much a it could be done slowly if needed.

bplp the second nursery sounds pretty good to me - flexible and with a nice feel to it. I'm sure you can find a nice meadow to visit somewhere else!

Have a fab time kyz

I am doing another full week at work. I wouldn't normally be in work today and last night dreamt I forgot to go in and woke up in a panic!

Has anyone got a Zafira? There's a good NHS deal on round here so I was gong to have a look at 1 this weekend. Never really considered one before so would be interested to know what others think.

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 20:08:59

BP little ones have very short memories. She may be picking up on how you are feeling too. She has also not been well. She will be fine x

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 20:12:03

We are going to go and have a look at the house. There are lots of things that are ringing alarm bells, but many that intrigue. A nice little trip out for the family anyway.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 04-Jul-13 20:13:50

pig you can always go back for a second visit flowers She may have had a bad experience this week but she will forget it. No irrevocable damage done smile

kyz read a review of bon jovi playing at glasgow earlier in the week. He still has it apparently. Enjoy.

Night quiche.

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 04-Jul-13 20:40:23

We have a zafira. Just bought it this February. We love it. Massive boot when just used as a 5 seater. Used as a 6 we can still fit the vista and a fair bit in and as a 7 it's handy just for the fact that you can fit so many in.

bplp I'm intrigued as to how you night weaned? We have the problem that he isn't taking solids so not that unusual for him to want fed really is it? I think they feel if it was bottles then we could see which wakening are hunger and which are for comfort. It's tricky but as yw said the other day I think I need to give the omeprazole a chance to work first.

kyz glad you're enjoying London. I've always wanted to go but haven't managed so far.

To those who said nights looked good. Ours wasn't, as per usual but I figure there's no point in posting to that effect as it's even boring me now!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 20:46:58

Izzy this is what we did (the rest of you feel free to ignore as likely to waffle)

I picked a period of 7 hours overnight when I was not going to feed her. You could start with, say, 5 hours, eg. 12-5 (we did 10-5). She got a good feed at 10, waking her for it if necessary. Whenever she woke the first night, I tried to settle her, in the dark, with cuddles or whatever. I wore a bra and t-shirt, so less likely to smell milk, and I slept on a single mattress on her bedroom floor with her. The first night, not a lot of sleep was had. She was offered water in a bottle, which she refused. I lay next to her in the dark with my hand on her tummy, and talked to her, and eventually she would dose off, then wake and shout (but not a true hungry cry, more a pissed off one). Once 5am came, and not a minute before (believe me I was tempted) I fed her. The second night was much the same, although marginally more sleep was had (again on the floor, together). The third night, it was like she just got it. By the fourth night, she had stopped waking for the 10pm feed and was sleeping from 7-5, having previously woken on average 3 or 4 times in those hours expecting feeding. Was bloody hard, and I nearly cracked at about 4am on the second night.

Passmethecrisps Thu 04-Jul-13 20:54:27

Hola birthers,

Nice summary luis. Good job.

When we were in the hospital with P we were endlessly telling various docs and nurses that P was on 4 doses of Dom perignon a day. Lucky her!

I hope that the plan bears fruit VQ. I am glad you have also got some drugs for your own infection.

Happy Bon Joving Kyz!

BP I so don't envy you your task. The whole business is horrendous. Take a look at others and go with your gut. I do like the sound of being able to pop down at break time though.

Hia pikz! Welcome back.

P has been sleepy as a sleepy thing and totally off her solids. I can only assume teething or a growth spurt. Like you YW, napping like we haven't had for months.

Evilwater Thu 04-Jul-13 20:59:25

Tomorrow I'm back working. Yep from 7:30 till 8! I'm nervous about it, and I hope N doesn't vom down my uniform. He will go to nursery from 7 till 6, be picked up by my mum, and bed time routine done by P.

Wish me a whole load of luck!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 04-Jul-13 21:14:05

Good luck Evil flowers

TheDetective Thu 04-Jul-13 21:15:12

I have about as much energy as a drunk slug.

Evening quichesters!

Can someone feed me some chocolate please! I need resuscitation by chocolate! STAT!

VQ Crap. If the sodding cough would do one, you would be able to get a handle of the vomits. Gah. So frustrating. :

BP Ok, so I don't actually know how hospital doctors work. Well, I understand about rotating etc. But most of the doctors I've known - career and GP trainees move to different hospitals in the very fucking wide locality. You are SHO yes? I could be wrong!! Would you not be going to a different Trust at some point? If so, I'd not go for the one at work, unless it was local enough for you to keep her there? But finances wise, that sounds awesome and I'd go for it.

Further things I've thought about - if you were out late, would DH be able to get to the nursery to pick her up? Probably stupid questions! Plus I'm tired and not thinking all that straight so feel free to ignore me!!!

Our doctors all do a combination of 9-5's and some 9am-9pm in the week. Then the rota puts someone on the weekend on 9-9s, as well as doing a couple of 9-5's in the week. And I think it is one week of nights every 6 or 8 weeks or something. I've not paid too much attention to be honest!

Would any of this be the same for you? And would DH need to do a lot of the dropping off or collecting? Also, remember when you are on nights, someone will still need to take her to nursery for you to sleep? Is it close enough for DH to do that?

VQ See that style of house doesn't appeal to me, but I can see lots of positive for it! It looks really in the back of beyond?! Is it? grin That would be a bonus - except when it snows. Which in scottishland, is a fecking lot!

MM Hope you are having a fabulous time! And hope knobhead has left his diving shizz at home!

Izzy That's disappointing. sad I'm sorry I don't have any useful advice. But sending my good vibes J's way and hoping things get better, and fast!

O had a nice day. He was in a good mood all day! He was very good at baby group today, and was cuddly and wanted to sit on my knee grin. I was delighted! All the mums were saying O was very funny to watch, he is a boy on a mission! I agree. No wonder this week and last week I've had my best losses since I started at SW. I've been running around after the little firework!

Anyone looking forward to the sunshine that is supposed to arrive tomorrow? I am smile I am going to enjoy it because I HAVE CLOTHES THAT FIT!!!!

Back in to 16's comfortably with room to spare grin. Got half a wardrobe of 14's to get back in to though! So bring it on! Another stone and a half and I should be able to start wearing some. smile

TheDetective Thu 04-Jul-13 21:16:19

Good luck Evil. You got your shifts sorted then? Have you dropped to 3 days? smile

Bet N will love playing with the other babies in nursery!

TheDetective Thu 04-Jul-13 21:20:34

kirrin Who is that deal through? I need to know more about NHS deals on cars please!!!

Forgot to add to last post. My new oven arrived yesterday. Apparently new ovens don't come with power cables. So we found the correct one, and bought one today. DP wired it up while I was out, and we put the new oven in.

IT'S FRICKIN' AWESOMEEEEEEEE! OMG! It's huge! Much more room than the last one even though it is the same size! The grill pan is beyond enormous! It slides in like one of the trays so it is the full size of the oven! We did a massive tray of SW chips on it tonight, and they cooked perfectly. And quickly!

I didn't think there was anything wrong with my last oven! But this one knocks socks off it! And it was one of the cheaper models on the market! Not the cheapest, but by no means an expensive one!

So glad I got it grin. <Sad fucker>!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 21:30:18

Nice one det!

Shifts sound like mine, although I don't have any nights until I go onto the fun rota that is the admissions unit, next spring. DH works at the hospital too, so not an issue re: pick ups etc - they also take non-hospital kids, although charge them more. And yes, we do have to rotate through the "locality". The next closest hospital to me is 30 miles away, and as of august 2014 I can look forward to commuting 100+ miles a day as we cannot move from here. Happy times.

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 04-Jul-13 21:31:20

Thanks bplp that's helpful. I don't know if it's something we can do just now as hes still waking in pain due to reflux and not on solids but definitely a plan of action for soon ish I hope!

He's still up and showing no signs of tiredness or hungry....

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 21:31:33

And yes, good luck evil. It sounds as though N has really enjoyed nursery so far, I bet they wear him out!

kirrinIsland Thu 04-Jul-13 21:38:46

Good luck at work tomorrow Evil

No harm in looking VQ smile I reckon you just have a feeling if a house is right for you as soon as you walk into it.

Thanks Izzy It does look as though it ticks all the boxes - massive boot but room for extra passengers as and when needed.
detective The deal is for a new one for £9995 if you work for the NHS and have a relevant union membership. The rrp is closer to £17000 apparently, but a quick google tells me that lots of dealers have a similar offer on - its just that the one near me has done it via its "preferred partners" scheme - of which the NHS is one.
And congrats on the 16s - you have done well smile

And sorry for mentioning the good nights Izzy - although I think the word I used was "reasonable". I guess that doesn't apply to you either sad I reckon the cheers the quiche will raise when you finally get a decent night's sleep will be heard up and down the country.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 04-Jul-13 21:56:35

They'll be heard from across the Channel grin

TheDetective Thu 04-Jul-13 22:04:46

Thanks Kirrin! I'll have a gander! That's £5 under budget for meeeee! And new too... could be a winner! I might have to wait til January next year though for one, as finances will be tight til then I think.

BP Ahhh, that's good, didn't realise DH worked there too! Well, that alone would sell it for me!

Shame about the shitty rotation though. I was doing 80 miles a day for 2 years. Fucking hated it angry. But was my only option as jobs for NQ were impossible to get. Took 2 years to get a local job. sad

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 22:19:44

Det meant to say to you, my friend was having a gander of the fred to see what everyones responses had been about the CM, and she said "that detectives funny isn't she?! fucking this, fucking that" grin I had to explain it was sweary Wednesday but yes, you do like to use the f word.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 04-Jul-13 22:23:57

izzy Sorry your puree making was a waste of time. Sling em this way if you like, I have to start batch cooking again on Sunday and I find it bloody annoying. The SALT advised me to let E play with the purees, get messy and get used to the feel of food even if she wasn't eating it. She does eat it though so perhaps that's why they have given you advice. Are they going to follow up the appointment and keep a close eye on J?

Kyz Enjoy enjoy enjoy. Have a beer or 2 for me and give Jon a wave. I luffs him. What a lush speciman of a man.

vq Enjoy the house viewing. I think it looks like a fab project. It looks so pretty from the outside. and I think it's bloody cheap but that's cos property is so expensive where I live

kirrin I hired a Zafira on holiday. I was impressed with the amout of boot space.

Evil masses of luck for tomorrow

<throws truck loads of chocolate at detective>

I went on the tour of the birthing suite with my DSIS this evening as her husband got stuck at work. God talk about how to make me broody.

YellowWellies Thu 04-Jul-13 22:34:42

Pass Jonas is super sleepy and off his solids - race you to a tooth? Dear god may it be soon....

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 04-Jul-13 22:43:20

eliza I'm not sure I could post purée, be a tad messy! Lol! I can see their point as J won't put toys in his mouth or anything which is unusual in a baby his age.

He's away to bed now without a feed, hasn't fed since around 4pm! Argh!

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 22:48:37

Detective you would think it was in the middle of nowhere from the pics, but it is amazingly near town. Just down the hill and under the canal and you reach civilisation. There is even a pavement all the way so even though it is a narrow road it would still be manageable with a pushchair.

It is a very good price, but would need a lot spent on it I think. Someone has really messed with it.

Jacob is a world better after two days of antibiotics and even self settled. He grinned from ear to ear when I put him in the cot once the fucking wind was shifted. He was so glad to see his mate Ewan. I wish I felt better, but at least I have antibiotics now. When I woke this morning it felt like I had bricks for lungs.

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 22:50:34

And before you say Izzy, I am off to bed. Just waiting on a bottle. I do hope you have a bearable night x

TheDetective Thu 04-Jul-13 22:51:01

BP. I think fuck is one of my most used and loved words. Cunt is my favourite, but some cunts don't like it. So I use it privately. On the world wide web grin. Nah, just around those who I am comfortable with wink.

Mum still thinks I don't swear. I know you will find this amusing! She apologises for swearing in front of me. Oh the irony!

Eliza thanks for the chocolate! I've had my second wind now. D'oh!

TheDetective Thu 04-Jul-13 22:56:35

Well, one out of two ain't bad VQ?! Tomorrow it is your turn to wake up better!

See that price here would get a lot more? But if it is a good price where you are, then get thinking it over!

There is a fabulous house on my road. I really want it. It's a doer upper! But I'm stuck here. 15 houses down! It's a big victorian detached house. 5/6 bedrooms, 3 reception rooms, separate annex. £100k! Needs a lot doing though. But it's beautiful!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 04-Jul-13 22:59:47

Head's in the shed. Dragging dh to both nurseries tomorrow. Interestingly, having sat down and calculated finances, both nurseries work out the same price, so long as we are sensible with our annual leave. I think the meadow may win out. That nursery excites me. I feel very unemotional about the hospital one. Will see what tomorrow brings.

<Chucks a load of horse tranquiliser sleep dust at quiche, paying particular attention to izzys house>

Night, you lovely lot xx

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Jul-13 23:04:20

I think a lot of folk think Scotland is cheap for property. Some places are, granted, but I have not found it so. The offers over system is a bit misleading too, as offers over 185 for example, they will be hoping for 210 plus. I think the Scottish system is way better though despite this.

Off to dream of the house. It is so opposite to where we live which is a box in an estate of boxes, and so overlooked.

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 04-Jul-13 23:09:26

Goodnight everyone, we have a still sleeping J which is odd as he hasn't fed as i mentioned before. DH going to do next feed. I'm gonna watch some crap hart of dixie before giving in to sleep.

Oh and thanks for the dust!

izzybizzybuzzybees Fri 05-Jul-13 00:02:42

I expected J to wake up for a feed and he hasn't! He's been in bed since about 10.30pm! I've brought up a bottle, a flask and some formula powder so DH can feed him if he wakes in next hour. Figure that way we can see he takes a good feed! Bloody wee pest! I could been sleeping for an hour! I'm gonna try now.

LuisGarcia Fri 05-Jul-13 00:32:21

Thanks to all those who asked. L is sleeping better now. I'm getting more sleep on the one night in ten she isn't ill, growing or teething. That's still more, and she needs skiing to sleep less.

My knees hurt still, but that'll fix itself long term [philosophical]

MrsG has been back at work for a couple of week, hence my relative absence.

izzybizzybuzzybees Fri 05-Jul-13 01:40:11

Fucking cunting formula refusing atsebadgering baby! He wouldn't take the bloody bottle si I had to feed him anyway!!

Back in cot so will see how long that lasts! I reckon 5 fucking minutes!

YellowWellies Fri 05-Jul-13 02:17:30

VQ offers over is dead at the moment - everything is going for the home report value or less. We got ours for just under the HR value which was £10k less than the offers over asking price.

Oh Izzy sad sad sad sad

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Jul-13 02:31:31

Really YW? Ooh good to know. A house is only ever worth as much as someone is willing to pay.

J woke choking with coughing at 2 and has taken an ounce or so. Poor wee boy.

Luis good to hear you are getting a bit more sleep.

YellowWellies Fri 05-Jul-13 02:35:30

Every penny off the asking price can go to the doing it up fund. Exciting!!!! grin

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Jul-13 02:45:58

Any thoughts YW? Would they have taken the chimney breasts out do you think? There don't seem to be any actual chimney breasts but I thought they might be flush with the wall as the walls are so very thick? Poor DH is so smitten with it.

Anyway, I am going to try to get a few more winks. Poor J is still coughing and coughing, and ripping at his throat too sad I wish I could make it all better for him. And my antibiotics are shifting some gunk I can tell you?

Good to have not heard from Izzy again (hopeful)

Detective, when you wrote slug earlier, I misread it grin

StuntNun Fri 05-Jul-13 04:33:12

Sorry to hear J is being tricksy about his bottles Izzy, I hope you got some sleep.

Good luck with the nurseries tomorrow BigPig, I hope your gut gives you a strong preference. My DSs have been in three different nurseries. One of them looked good superficially but it was like baby jail, DS2 was desperate to get out at home time. Another had a real family environment and the boys were welcomed with open arms every day, I had to cajole them to leave! The last one was very reliant on gifts of toys and seemed quite small and cramped but their activities were fab, the boys were kept well occupied with wet play, messy play, dressing up, very much organised chaos. The first and last I had no qualms about leaving them there but the middle one was soul destroying and I ended up moving DS2 to a childminder. So my advice would be to look at the children, are they engaged and happy or are they just 'doing time' until they're collected.

StuntNun Fri 05-Jul-13 04:34:21

Sorry my description wasn't great the order I listed the nurseries wasn't the order they went to them in IYSWIM.

izzybizzybuzzybees Fri 05-Jul-13 04:52:48

Not 5 mins, he managed almost 3 hours!! Wow! Fed and back down now! Another 3 hours pretty please?

Evilwater Fri 05-Jul-13 05:38:04

Ugg.... I'm up for work.

Bryzoan Fri 05-Jul-13 06:52:53

Brilliant izzy! Fingers crossed you are getting more. Really sorry to hear the solids are so very difficult. Hope the mouth play helps. Can you see the SALT directly?

Hope mrsg is settling back ok at work luis - bet she is missing you all.

I have a quick question - stomach muscles. I thought mine had come back together pretty much. But I noticed a big gap again this morning. Don't know if it is just that I have a bit less flab thanks to dairy free and so can now find them or whether they are worse. G is a real lump and I find it horrible getting him out of his cot - which happens a few tines a night still. And I have to carry both r and g a lot during the day. R's physio is coming this morning so will ask her (though she is a kiddy specialist so might not know). But I wondered how the other quichesters with separated abs were doing now?

Bryzoan Fri 05-Jul-13 07:11:13

House looks beautiful vq. Would be much much more expensive in our neck of the woods.

StuntNun Fri 05-Jul-13 07:38:55

Another 'good' night here (relatively speaking). J would not go to sleep until just before 10 but after a dream feed at 11 he went until just after 4. Then from 4.40 he is still asleep in his cot. Maybe he's just shattered from being awake so late but it was sooo nice not to have to either get up with him at 5 or bring him into our bed.

Thanks for the night weaning tips BigPig. I did the same a while back, refusing to feed J between 10 and 4 (unless he was ill or distressed or really wouldn't settle). He now usually waits until 4 for a feed but he is properly starvo and feeds for 30 minutes taking both sides. To me that means he isn't ready for night weaning yet. I have been occasionally dropping the dream feed which results in his night feed happening earlier, between 2 and 3. So if me cutting out egg does improve J's sleep I think I would be happy with one night feed between bedtime and morning. It would be different if I were going back to work but I have to find a job first after being made redundant.

Is anyone else job hunting? There are only three or four employers in Northern Ireland in my job type an I've already worked for two of them. Everyone seems to be using recruitment agencies now so I'll have to be serious about a return to work if I sign up to one. My childminder is going through a rough patch with unreliable parents, e.g. they're working overtime so not picking up until 7 but not paying her extra. So I'm pretty sure she would give them notice if I wanted to steal their place. It's easier with us having three as they all arrive and leave together and we were always flexible when she wanted time off for holidays, etc. I suspect she may want to get her paws on J as well, he's a real sweetheart. But I'm conflicted about going back to work as well. DS1 starts his last year at primary school this year and I'm very worried about the transition to Grammar school. His primary only has 90 children so they've been able to accommodate his special needs most of the time. But at Grammar school it's going to be sink or swim time and he's very sensitive. So I think it would be easier if I was at home until he's settled in. But that leaves the question of money doesn't it! We're £600 a month worse off with me not working. Some of that would be recouped by lower petrol costs and food bills, and I put my redundancy money into the mortgage which reduced our payments by nearly £150 but there's still a shortfall every month. It's so hard to decide what's best isn't it?

Pikz Fri 05-Jul-13 08:32:19

Stunt, glad to hear of a good night

Izzy I hope you got some more sleep

LO still asleep here...jet lag clearly means an epic 13 hours and counting sleep...I am sure I will pay for this!

I need help...anyone recommend some corner cushions...LO is crawling and intent on getting stitches before he is one and he is just attracted to every sharp corner!

horseylady Fri 05-Jul-13 08:35:33

Sorry really not read this last week with childcare hunt!!!! Going to look at a new nursery today and another Tuesday. Unless today's is ok then I'll prob sign him up. Tuesdays is out the way for dh to do a drop off. Will see.

Stunt - going back to my job so no pressure to look. Ill see how it is when I go back, but assuming they go with what they've offered me, I'm happy staying there.

I half read the end of wed, I offer 3x meals a day. Some days he's mega hungry and eats everything in sight. Other days he's hard work. Today he's mainly eating sainsburies yoghurt as they're out of date today......

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Fri 05-Jul-13 08:38:16

Good luck today evil.

stunt it is a difficult balancing act. I don't envy you that kind of decision - its actually easier for me as I have to work no matter what, I think having the choice causes its own form of agony!

izzy great news that J managed 3 hours! Fingers crossed this becomes a habit!

bry I dont think I have abs so cant help!

BP enjoy the second viewing. You've been given lots of tips, you know all the facts for both, perhaps now is the time to see what your gut says.

luis good to hear there is less skiing required now. Hope MrsG is finding being back at work.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Fri 05-Jul-13 08:41:05

Oh, and DS discovered strawberries in whole form, not puree. Strawberries are good. He cried when they were all gone. Will pop a pic on FB.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 08:42:12

Baby Jake on cbeebies seriously freaks me out. Everything about it right down to the tuneless singing freaks me out. Even the chortling.

Anyway, morning all.

Izzy can you not freeze the puree? Or try playing with it a bit anyway?

The worst of LO's cold is over I think. DH has woken up with it this morning. Though he has been saying that every day this week. Just DD1 to go...

She had a slight temperature last night but I ignored it and it went away on its own.

ChasingDaisy Fri 05-Jul-13 09:39:49

Stunt what a hard decision for you to make. No good advice from me I am afraid, but what jumps out at me from your post is that you are a fantastic mother as you are clearly putting your children's needs first smile

VQ I love that house. Could be a real forever home. And yep. it does seem cheap to me.

Good start to the day here, O slept 7 - 4.30 - 7.30 all in his cot and has wolfed down porridge, mango puree and toast for breakfast smile. Plus he is wearing a cute pair of dungarees.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 09:48:14

stunt I don't know if I am looking for a job or not. I need to go back to work, but things are very complicated at the moment. Ideally for me if I do haveto look for a job I will be able to start doing so properly in September, once the children are at nursery.

ChasingDaisy Fri 05-Jul-13 09:55:44

bry my abs separated and felt very weak, but over the past month they seem much stronger. Not quite pre-baby strength but almost. I haven't done anything in particular to help it along, it just seems to have happened. May be worth a visit to your gp?

StuntNun Fri 05-Jul-13 10:07:22

I'm very lucky in being able to delay going back to work. Being made redundant was a pain because I don't have a job to go back to but the redundancy payout has certainly made my finances a bit easier. It won't last forever though and we have drastically cut down on spending to eke it out as long as possible DH's stupid £45 karting idea notwithstanding. It's very different with three kids though. My childminder does offer a discount for having all three children but it would still be something like £1000 a month for childcare and I don't earn enough to make that worthwhile, I've done working just to pay my childcare fees before. If I hadn't been made redundant I would have been able to keep getting childcare vouchers for my maternity leave and along with DH's vouchers that would have almost paid for childcare until DS1 started Grammar school. Given DS1's chequered past (expelled from after school, lost two childminders, threatened with expulsion from school three years ago) I think he may need a lot of support through the transition to secondary education. He's a very bright lad (FIL has genius-level IQ) but his emotional and physical development is far behind his peers which is a recipe for being bullied. My original idea was to retrain as a teacher assuming I've passed my exams and get my degree but there aren't any jobs going so that plan is currently on the back burner.

MissMummy1 Fri 05-Jul-13 10:10:08

Just flying in for 5 mins!

Gogeous house vq - or at least could be after you have waved your personal touch over it!

Quiche baby - LOL

I graduated yesterday. Gorgeous day. M was a star turn. Lots of lovely photos but all on my camera so wont be able to upload any until we are home on Monday.

Off to an open air pool this morning. And Matilda has discovered sofa cruising shock

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 10:21:23

Congratulations mm1

stunt even if you were made redundant it doesn't necessarily mean you can't work there again the future. I worked briefly in a bank here and just after I left they did a huge cull. Sacked something like 40% of staff. Three years later they rehired half of them as business picked up.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 10:22:16

Open air pool? All the way up there? <shivers at thought of it>

LuisGarcia Fri 05-Jul-13 10:28:34

The words you are all making are giving me sentences on WWF. Today I've got "The Royal We".

Yesterday I had "Hey, ya turd"

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 10:38:47

Have a shitty hand this game luis though I hope won't end like last time's thrashing. In case anyone has any doubt, I got thrashed.

StuntNun Fri 05-Jul-13 10:50:54

I don't know PR, they really treated me like shit. From the way they acted you'd have thought I was being fired for something, not made redundant. Could be that HR are just arseholes though.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 11:11:18

Very possible that they are. I think HR have to be. Though am reserving judgement til end of today.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 05-Jul-13 12:09:30

Congratulations MM, can't wait to see pictures of you and M in your lovely dresses. Enjoy the pool.

Evil I hope today goes ok.

Stunt I'm like madam, in that the decision was out of my hands - either back full time or abandon your career. Full time it is then. Tricky to know how to balance everything, and keep your sanity at the same time.

Off out to collect F from MIL - shall see how she has got on....then it's off to Nursery 1 with dh. On paper, we should pick Nursery 2. But the old gut...well...it does like number 1. Forget who said about a nursery where they had "family groups" with kids of different ages who share the same key worker - they do that there too which is another tick in the positive column. Anyway <slaps self> stop waffling piggy.

Enjoy the sunshine.

Lily311 Fri 05-Jul-13 12:28:34

Congratulations mm

Yest I had a non napping child, today she doesn't want to be awake. My parents are coming for dinner and my oven decided to break down, the chicken is half roasted. Grrrrrr.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 12:30:33

Agh. Can't concentrate on anything and keep snapping at the poor children though if they would have their nap my mood would improve a tad

Still waiting for an answer godammit.

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Jul-13 12:45:08

PR may not be any consolation but I am also having a fucking awful day with fucking cunting work. Tried to phone in sick for Monday. Should not be this hard to get hold of someone. Anyone. Ended up phoning HR and bursting into tears. Made a right tit of myself.

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Jul-13 12:48:49

Lily sorry about the chicken. Cannot really get away with half cooked chicken. Hope LO is ok. J is sleeping a lot, and it is worrying when it is out of character for them. He fell asleep on the Jumperoo while I was on the phone. I took a pic and will put it on FB in a while.

PR we do have sun up here sometimes you know grin

Evil, hope you are getting on ok

Stunt I also have no option but to work. Had a message from the Lottery, got all excited. £10. Woo.

itsnotyouitsMeals Fri 05-Jul-13 13:19:14

bry I have a 6cm gap between my abs. Hosp appt on Tues. will update then.

pig was me that said about family groups. DD1's nursery has them and it's lovely as DD2 will be with her all the time once she goes plus the toddlers get to play real life babies and the babies get loads of attention. All supervised of course.

If your heart says that's the nursery for you then go for it. Peace of mind is worth a lot.

Glad you had fun mm. Fingers crossed pr. Get well soon the vq and p.

Lovely day innit?

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Jul-13 13:24:49

Lessons learned for today:

It is best to only shake a medicine bottle when the lid is actually on it.

It is possible to change a baby's nappy and end up with poo on your cheek.

It is possible to use an entire pack of baby wipes on one nappy change.

Donnadoon Fri 05-Jul-13 13:29:45

Congratulations MM
LOL At poo on cheek sorry VQ
PR I too find baby jake hideously facinating and watch with deep burrowed frown on my face

itsnotyouitsMeals Fri 05-Jul-13 13:30:11

vq oops. Cloth wipes?

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Jul-13 13:38:49

It was too hideous for cloth wipes. I would have had to throw them away. The Nutrimigen is utterly horrid, add in antibiotics and it is even worse. I have a pretty strong stomach, but that was beyond a joke. Poor mite.

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Jul-13 13:39:41

DD2 cannot understand why J doesn't talk like baby Jake.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 13:41:03

Amoxycillin poos vq ?

<fedexes truck load of wipes to ValiumPalace. >

itsnotyouitsMeals Fri 05-Jul-13 13:44:54

Oh poor thing. Yes anti bs are sods for messing up the bowels. Maybe get some baby probiotics?

Just researching fleece wraps for nights as LO has a giant bum like her mum and am having leaks which I never had with DD1.

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Jul-13 13:51:58

Yes. Amoxicillin.

I will look into probiotics, but probably will contain dairy. Will look in a mo.

Fleece wraps are ace, but kinda damp smelling and can wick if baby sits in them for a length of time. They can be used more than once but I washed them after each use. They dry so quickly too. I love them. I was going to branch into woollens and longies before trouble struck Valium Palace, but PP is very expert in these.

I used size 3 bamboo LLs with DD2, with extra boosting, and a fleece wrap. Bum the size of a small planet but no leaks ever. No cuddles until it was off though, and a good wash, if not bath before facing the day.

itsnotyouitsMeals Fri 05-Jul-13 14:13:39

Think those ones are ok?

Good to know fleece worked. I have Holden's landings and minki huggles for nights but generally use Motherease wraps. Thing is giant girl has a very high bum crack(!!) so wee pours out. Didn't happen with DD1 so going to try stacinator wraps like shorts with a fleece edge. Was your DD damp to feel in the morning? Can't quite get my head around it. Tried wool once.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 14:15:46

Have to go to pharmacy to pick up probiotics for DD1. Smething to do with replacing bile? Ddn't quite understand what the paed said. She said it would kind of reset her bowels? Reducing the milk has really helped already, even though she is compensating with more yoghurt and cheese. So it isn't a dairy intolerance, just too much milk instead of food.

ChasingDaisy Fri 05-Jul-13 15:16:33

Oh VQ envy As if you and J haven't gone through enough.

So my news today is that I feel happy. Properly happy. I feel free and that a world of opportunity has opened up before me. Am going to learn to drive in the new year - my dad is getting me my provisional licence for Christmas. I am so excited to build a life full of love and fun for me and Oscar.

Had a lovely day in the sun today - me and Oscar are now resting indoors while he naps and nanny and grandad are in the garden building O a swing smile

TheDetective Fri 05-Jul-13 15:17:43

Everything contains fucking dairy VQ! I picked up Boots own brand teething powder and it had pissing lactose in it!

Beautiful day out there! Hope the quiche mummies, daddies and babies are getting to enjoy it!

Walked to a brand new soft play that had opened by our house today. It's fabulous! Really good for babies! For the crawlers for definite. And rollers! I'll put some pics up this evening on Facebook smile.

MM watch out haha! O crawled/pulled self up at the same time pretty much! Get some eyes in the back of your head ordered! grin

O had his first try of a ready made dinner today. It was an EK one. Pork dinner or some such. He hated it! Oh dear. He doesn't refuse much! DP tasted it and said it was awful though so I'll give him a try with another. Was hoping to be able to use them for eating lunc out as it is such a faff taking homemade ones out as they need defrosting/heating and a lot of his have chicken in which needs heating really hot and cooling.

Pfffft. Awkward child!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 15:57:25

chasing that post has put a huge grin on my face grin how lovely to read

detective LO liked the roast lamb and the lentilly EK pouches the most.

TheDetective Fri 05-Jul-13 16:07:23

Im on my way to Morrisons now so I shall give those a look! I have my email from EK with me with the dairy free ones listed! I rang them yesterday and they sent me a list out smile

Can anyone recommend a good booster style high chair for taking out that O won't be able to escape from? Thank you!

ChasingDaisy Fri 05-Jul-13 16:08:07

Oh and PR, I'm ready smile Will PM you tonight when O is in bed.

horseylady Fri 05-Jul-13 16:08:17

Ds hates the ek meals. Will eat the veg/fruit ones. Not the meals.

I think I'm going with a cm. dh doing my head in as wants as cheap as possible. May end up in proper full blown argument at this rate!!! Stupid bloke.

Vq hope he gets well soon xx

TheDetective Fri 05-Jul-13 16:13:32

Cross post chasing. I've got a big grin on my face for you!

It's an awesome feeling isn't it?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 16:22:21

You sound ready chasing smile looking forward to your message.

I might not answer immediately as am planning on an early night as getting up first thing to go to the market tomorrow as by late morning it will be too hot and the fruit stands will be covered in wasps. But I will answer by tomorrow evening.

Pikz Fri 05-Jul-13 16:30:05

Chasing that is awesome grin

Amoxipoo is the worst hmm

Det the gro one works for this monster!

Stacks Fri 05-Jul-13 17:14:05

You guys can really talk! I'm managing to keep up, just.

Izzy, I hope you get a good night soon. I finally broke last night - cue dumping a screaming DS onto DH before running back upstairs and crying under the duvet. sad

I thought I'd see I'd you guys knew about this website. You can buy stuff half price or less, but only one of each. It's great for the food pouches, you can see which brands/flavours your LO likes without paying full price. Few people from my breastfeeding group used it, then signed up their parents/inlaws to order again.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 17:22:14

stacks we used to get through threads in 3 days back in the day when we were all permanently stuck to the sofa and it was too cold to go out and get a life.

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Jul-13 19:54:08


BigPigLittlePig Fri 05-Jul-13 19:55:32

Evening all, what a lovely lovely day.

Chasing you made me beam from ear to ear, so happy for you.
VQ amoxipoo sounds terrible. If it helps, Mothercare have buy 1 get 2 free on Huggies wipes at the mo grin
PR I love French markets, they're about a million times better than the ones over here.

So I dragged dh around the nurseries today. My gut told me to go with the meadow one. Financially we can make it work, it is a lovely place which encourages the children to go outside in all weather - and we abandoned F for 30 minutes whilst we sorted paperwork and she was mooing and growling contentedly at the staff having spent the morning screaming MILs house down She starts on Monday with an induction thingummy. I am off work for another week, unpaid - but am doing a locum shift on Sunday afternoon which will more than make up for the loss.

It all feels goooood smile

Bryzoan Fri 05-Jul-13 20:00:39

Chasing that is so wonderful to hear grin. You have earned that happiness. Thank you for sharing it with us.

Vq - sounds rough. Hang in there.

Mm - cruising?!?! Yowsers.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 05-Jul-13 20:00:59

Hehe I was pleasantly surprised that I didn't have pages to trawl through this evening. Not that I find it a chore of course, just sometimes it's nice to be able to read and post without having to read through too much first iyswim. I'll stop now before I dig a huge whole for myself! I remember the days when gtbaby tried to police our posts and limit them, with very little success I may add!

stacks Thanks for that website. Never heard of it. I jut through away pretty much a whole meal of lovingly made puree that E hardly touched. It's depressing doing that so I'll get a load of food from that site to put in the cupboard for times like today.

chasing What a lovley happy post. So pleased for you. And what a nice thing for your dad and stepmum to do.

Congratulations mm I'm glad it was a lovely day.

I too can't stand baby Jake....freaks me out!!

Got to go...E has stirred. Be back laterz

Bryzoan Fri 05-Jul-13 20:03:45

Brilliant bp! Sounds really great. You have truly made a bad 'ting good as rastamouse or pass might say!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 05-Jul-13 20:05:18

Tonight F had spag bol, unpureed, as it came. She liked it, lots. Unfortunately, on the last mouthful, it went the wrong way and we had the first vom incident since weaning began. Thank goodness for pelican bibs grin. My mum looked like this shock and dsd looked like this envy then announced she didn't like her tea, which made me look like this hmm. And F just grin and mooed for more.

PurplePidjin Fri 05-Jul-13 20:07:03

Tired, grumpy, teething, snottery, nap-dodging baby

Am broked

ChasingDaisy Fri 05-Jul-13 20:14:36

Oscar went to sleep at 7 but woke up at half past and has been screaming ever since. no idea why. I settled him once, but as soon as I was out of sight laying on his floor, he screamed again.

StuntNun Fri 05-Jul-13 20:16:25

Nice to hear you sounding so positive Chasing, the first of many happy moments from now on.

I have just washed broccoli out of the bath. shock Oh well there's a first time for everything.

We're going on holiday on Monday, only to haggisland (mmmm haggis) it's true but I suspect I will need to pack the entire house.

YellowWellies Fri 05-Jul-13 20:29:41

Stunt great timing for a visit to Scotland - it's due to be 25-6 degrees in Fife. Are you going to visit the haggis quiche? We'd love to see you smile

Evilwater Fri 05-Jul-13 20:43:38

Hello all, I'm back from work.
n was wonderful, he is now asleep and I'm scoffing a custard pot. grin work was fine.

My feet are swollen, and are very sore.

I'm going to have a cuppa then bed.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 05-Jul-13 20:50:30

I've done that too stunt Bloody stuff gets everywhere!

kirrinIsland Fri 05-Jul-13 20:51:09

Yay for 3 hours izzy smile

bry I haven't found my abs yet. When I do I'll check if they're separated or not. I'm not sure if I'll know if they are or not to be honest....

Congratulations on your graduation MM Glad you had a good day.

Lovely to read your post chasing This really is the start of the rest of your life smile

O proof portable high chairs detective ? having seen the photos on FB I'm not convinced such a thing exists grin

Thanks for the website stacks I am off to place an order.
How are you feeling now? Did you get any sleep?

Glad work went well evil

I have finished the second week of my work course - so far so good. I do feel a bit brain dead though! I am both amazed at the ops and medical things that can be done for people and horrified at the sheer number of things that can go wrong with us. Kudos to you medical people who are actually out there doing this stuff.

I have been really lazy this week and used pre-made formula all week shock Really has helped with getting other stuff done in the evenings though - making bottles seems to take much longer than it should.

ChasingDaisy Fri 05-Jul-13 21:17:44

Almost two hours and he won't bloody sleep. he never does this. And he is going to see XP all day tomorrow.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 05-Jul-13 21:26:17

kirrin I agree. Even though I now make the bottles up for 24 hours I still feel like it takes forever and is such a faff. Glad your work course is going ok.

pr Enjoy the market.

bplp Sounds like you made the right choice. I really hope F is happy there.

I'm sulking tonight. I really want to watch the tennis but I can't stand Murray. Sorry haggis peeps. It's not that he's scottish, it's the whole hoo ha that comes with him and I can't bear his bloody mother and the stupid crowd. I really wish the Djorkovic V Del Porto was on this evening as I would have loved to watch that one. Murray is ruining my love of wimbledon.

YellowWellies Fri 05-Jul-13 21:34:02

Come on Murray!!!!!! See I luff watching him compared to say Henman of old, because you don't get the screamy harridan middle English naice Mums squealing 'Tim' with anguish every five minutes. Possibly because he's not so shit! smile Mentally he's on fire - cracking performance!

PurplePidjin Fri 05-Jul-13 21:34:24

Chasing heat, light and my stress have everything fucked here, might O be picking up on your tension over sending him off with cuntbadger XP tomorrow?

Recipe for the dairy-freers (tested on R today)

1/2 tin peaches drained, retain juice
4 apricots, stoned and quartered
Baby rice

Blend fruit. Add 1 part rice to 1 part fruit and 2 parts juice and mix till smooth.

The juice from a tin of peaches did my remaining 6tbsp rice nicely, with puree left over for his morning weetabix. It's the only thing he's actually eaten and enjoyed today!

daisychain76 Fri 05-Jul-13 21:39:02

Hello not-so-new thread. Need to catch up. Still working sad. On the upside the sling lady came to the house today, taught me some hip carries with woven wraps and I got a free loan of a connecta from the sling library. It's so nice and easy!

Oh yes and H is in Aldi size 4s then ebay cheapy birth to potty reusuables which I doubt will last him more than 3 more months. I need to sell my teenyfits to fund new purchases, but I just love them sooo much and it reminds me of H being tiny <insert must get out more emoticon>

YellowWellies Fri 05-Jul-13 21:40:39

Whoop whoop Murray!!! Lots of happy folks north of the border. Am amused how he's described as Scottish by the commentators when he loses but British when he's kicking ass grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 21:44:12

pig you are getting a week's unpaid leave??? envy

back to catch up on other news.

Just thought I'd mention I am seriously angry tonight.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 05-Jul-13 21:46:00

Haha YW That was a brilliant cross post. Me moaning about Murray the same time as you adoring him. I hated Henman too. He was as dull as. I like tennis players to have some personality. My all time fave is Andre Agassi. I got to see him play at centre court.

PurplePidjin Fri 05-Jul-13 21:49:17

daisy their legs slim down when they start to crawl, so don't write your nappies off quite yet. I'm hoping to get a good long time out of my realeasies - he's on the largest leg popper setting but barely middle at the waist. As they're size Small i think we're doing pretty well!

I'm organising a collection at baby group to buy teenyfits - our peer supporter is due in October and asked on a fb page how to guide family to buying nappies, specifically newborn size. I'm going to chuck in some wraps etc i cba to sell and hopefully make a nappy cake grin <ssh it's a secret>

YellowWellies Fri 05-Jul-13 21:52:52

Haha Eliza we is playing cross post tennis innit! Am v envious of your seeing Agassi - my all time favourite crush was Boris Becker.

Bryzoan Fri 05-Jul-13 21:52:59

Chasing - same here! And I really need to get the house ready for dd's party tomorrow.... Come on babies - pack it in.

Passmethecrisps Fri 05-Jul-13 21:54:42

<skids into Fred>

love being compared to rastamouse! Finally! Finally I am cool. DH got compared to Jarvis cocker today - we are obviously some kind of über couple.

chasing apart from the wee man's screamthon recently I was dead chuffed to read your happy post. Go gettem!

First day of work done evil. Enjoy your tea.

P was back on noms today.

bp your emoticon illustrated description of dinner made
Me laff!

Oh and can I just jump in and be the first to say that I am sick of the heat. I cannae cope. Ideally, the outside temperate would be between 6 and 18 oC.

ChasingDaisy Fri 05-Jul-13 21:55:31

He's finally in his cot after 2.5 hours of screaming. And he is sobbing in his sleep sad I had so many things to do this evening as well. And I missed the tennis. And I just had an almighty row with XP.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 21:56:22

I'm up late and spitting feathers. I don't think I'll be up in time to go to the market tomorrow.

I have rarely been so angry witjout there being an element of hurt. Pure anger. Tis going to have to be channelled into some fighting energy.

Hear me roar quiche. I. Am. Fucking. Furious.

As ever. Fb for clues.

(((chasing))) sad

I started catching up yesterday morning and it's taken me until now.

I went out with some work friends this afternoon and left M at home with my Niece. It was strange leaving her and i missed her, suppose i'll have to get used to it sad

Got a banging hay fever head tonight so I think i'm going to take myself to bed

kirrinIsland Fri 05-Jul-13 21:58:53

i hate the heat too pass My ideal is 15-18 and sunny!

kirrinIsland Fri 05-Jul-13 22:01:11

Cross posts. ((hugs)) Chasing

I'd ((hug)) you too PR but I am in awe of your rage and keeping a safe distance! Channel that rage into winning the battle.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 22:03:43

So happy for Murray. I love him. Also loved shagassi Agassi.

pass Jarvis lives or did live in Paris. We used to go to the same bar. Sat next to or near him very often. He never exchanged a word with anyone. Sat in a corner sulking. He was my teen idol though I never approached him. He's uber cool though.

chasing put that fight with xp in a bubble and blow it away. YOU are in control now. Never forget that.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 22:05:39

He is or was at the time married to a French woman. (Jarvis that is)

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 22:06:21

kirrin I'm accepting needy of hugs

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 05-Jul-13 22:11:30

Oh chasing Im sorry. You'd had such a positive day.

yw lol at your crush on Boris Becker. Mind you, Andre Agassi in his early days are a bit questionable now.

TheDetective Fri 05-Jul-13 22:23:38

I love the heat. But not UK heat.

28 degrees in some foreign lands please!

TheDetective Fri 05-Jul-13 22:24:32

Pikz I will take your recommendation highly! If L can't escape... then O will be fine grin.

Off to have a looksie!

ChasingDaisy Fri 05-Jul-13 22:24:46

A Murray fan here. I think he's just misunderstood grin

Oh FFS, my dad and stepmum coming to bed has woken O up angry They have no concept of being quiet around a sleeping baby...

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 22:34:17

28 degrees and more planned here for the wkd Detective . Bbq tomorrow...

chasing you're stressed. Breathe. O will settle. He will. He will he will he will. <Mrs Doyle emoticon>

am sure someone mentioned her yesterday. Or am I just old?

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Fri 05-Jul-13 22:35:12

I adore Murray. Refuses to play the media more than strictly necessary, competitive, passionate, loves it. Good enough for me.

chasing good about happy. Rubbish about argument / XP.

bp glad all sorted.

It's fucking hot here. Seriously hot. Went to a friend's house for wine, pizza and tennis watching. Came home and DH had fallen asleep putting DD to bed. Ha!

TheDetective Fri 05-Jul-13 22:36:31

Yes. GT's blummin feeder MIL grin

28 degrees in my house right now and it's fecking disgusting!

Piss off heat! Well. Humid heat!

Gimme dry heat any day!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 22:40:54

But yes, Murray is misunderstood. You know why?

<gets on soapbox>

He made a comment about six years ago that anyone but England should win the world cup (football) . He was being interviewed with Henman. It was a joke. They laughed. But the Daily Fail made a headline out of it. Thereby unfairly maligning him as being against England. And Middle England has never forgotten. Or forgiven.

Andy Murray is Scottish and British. He is as dour as anyone (only ever used as a way of criticising Scottish people by the tabloids)

<gets off soapbox>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 22:42:03

But yes, Murray is misunderstood. You know why?

<gets on soapbox>

He made a comment about six years ago that anyone but England should win the world cup (football) . He was being interviewed with Henman. It was a joke. They laughed. But the Daily Fail made a headline out of it. Thereby unfairly maligning him as being against England. And Middle England has never forgotten. Or forgiven.

Andy Murray is Scottish and British. He is as dour as anyone (only ever used as a way of criticising Scottish people by the tabloids)

<gets off soapbox>

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 05-Jul-13 22:48:13

My friend said that Murray has the personality of a goldfish. I disagreed, that's doing a disservice to goldfish. Right that's enough Murray bashing from me.....

pr Hope you manage to have a good weekend all things considered.

Off to another BBQ tomorrow. I'm driving this time so no chance for a sore head on Sunday thank goodness. Hope everyone has a good day. Night all x

Pikz Fri 05-Jul-13 22:49:00


Massive hugs for PR and chasing and for VQ to get well soon.

YW I love Murray too...I got proper excited tonight.

LO is asleep and coping amazingly after Canada. He is now a super crawler into everything and has also learnt to bum wriggle whilst lying on his back. He also wants to walk everywhere whilst holding my hands. He is a massive handful but much more fun in a way with it. He seems to have grown into a toddler sized person overnight!

Det where is the fab outfit on fb from?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 22:51:34

Sorry for the double post.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 22:54:04

Murray has a lovely personality. Humble and kind. And I love his mum.

<runs and hides from Eliza. >

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 22:56:41

Major leaps happen on holiday. DD1 finally learned to walk at 15 months on the shore of Lake Geneva. She made big leaps in speech this year in England and LO too. Rolling and commando crawling.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 05-Jul-13 22:59:23

Grrrrrrrrr pr I have a right ranty head on me when I get going. Luckily I am a lot calmer on these matters than I used to be grin

Right really am off to bed....

PetiteRaleuse Fri 05-Jul-13 23:10:03

grin We'll agree to disagree then Eliza

The French pundits are backing Murray though. Djoko isn't liked for his extreme Serb nationalist politics... Just sayin'


Not that I am going to sleep.


StuntNun Fri 05-Jul-13 23:14:52

YW I'm in Banff Monday to Friday then St Andrews Friday to next Friday. I hope we get good weather, I promised DS2 he's be able to go paddling but forgot to mention that the North Sea is always cold!

TheDetective Fri 05-Jul-13 23:30:27

PikzWhere else?!

If you want to get it, I happen to know the Next sale is on July 13th. Well, I say I know. It should be. It usually is the second saturday in July. It's available online in 6-9 which was the size O had on! Not got it in 9-12 sad

But you should be able to get it in the sale...! smile

I'll be there next weekend -- 5am zzzzzzzzzzzzz--.

Bryzoan Fri 05-Jul-13 23:54:46

Sorry to hear about the rage pr and the fight chasing.

Chasing - please just let it blow over you. Xp most likely doesn't like you being so happy much - he'd probably feel better if you were on your knees begging to go back to a life if being his victim. Let it go and keep happy regardless. Sorry o is in pain :-(

Stunt - tough call re work. I went back when dd was 1 because I thought I had to - even though I also felt she needed me for some reason I couldn't quite articulate. I do wish I had listened to myself now. It wasn't just the time away from her - i think work took some of the headspace i needed to see clearly and help her sufficiently with her difficulties. She has been progressing so much more quickly since I started mat leave. If you can help ds get settled in grammar school you would be setting him up for success for a really long time, and it would be likely to have a big influence throughout his life. I say take the time to focus on him if you can as it sounds to me like you think that is what he needs.

GTbaby Sat 06-Jul-13 00:52:31

I'm going to moan.
My feets are swollen and hurt. My boobs are itchy. My legs from knee down just ach. Just fucking ach.
And I don't want tomorrow to be 3rd morning in a row waking with a FUCKING cramp.

PurplePidjin Sat 06-Jul-13 01:53:10


5 and a bit hours, hurrah! Just hope he goesback down for a good long stretch...

YellowWellies Sat 06-Jul-13 02:44:34

<barges onto *PR's soapbox>

PR yep it's that one 'anyone but England' joke that has been used by the Daily Mail and others in England to write off Murray's personality. And the fact he doesn't fawn over Claire Baldwin and Sue Barker (I can't bear either of them so like him for this!) And let's face it - his Scottish nationalism has much of the London media with a bee in their bonnets (want independence from us - how very dare he?!) but the English media don't emphasise Djokovic's extreme Serb nationalism.

I do agree with Eliza his Mum is a bit crackers but I reckon she's probably not the only parent of a Dunblane survivor to be a bit messed up with it. DH and I chuckled at the commentary last night - we spotted how he was only referred to as "Scotland's Andy Murray" after losing the 1st set and "Britain's Andy Murray" after winning the next 3!

<falls off soapbox>

Hmm this is v early for Jonas to wake up - he did this yesterday and we ended up with 2 wakings for the first time in 2 months. Better not be a new habit. better really not be a sleep regression. Called on DH to shush him back to sleep last night at waking no.2 and he was so out of practice, banging and crashing out of bed he was like a Marx brother envy .

StuntNun Sat 06-Jul-13 05:02:50

A rubbish night here. confused DH decided to hide the baby monitor so I was woken just after midnight by J full on screaming for attention. It took ages to resettle him then I went looking for the monitor but couldn't find it anywhere. DH was drunk fast asleep and wouldn't waken so I ended up trying to sleep on J's floor so I would hear him when he woke in the night. I couldn't get to sleep though, it was too uncomfortable on the floor. Eventually DH woke and told me where the monitor was but I was too wired to sleep by this point and ended up reading my book for a bit to get me back to sleep. What a waste of time when I could have been asleep. Naturally DH is out like a light and snoring away.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 06-Jul-13 06:13:09

Morning all. Hardly slept. Woke myself up with an awful dream. Woke DH and DD1 up too as I was crying so much. Wn't go into details but it was one of those dreams so vivid that you want to check everyone you care about is still alive.

Just as I was drifting off again LO started singing. I love her early morning mood. I can't remember what it was like to wake up and be so freaking happy, really fresh and ready for the day.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Jul-13 06:16:33

Congrats * mm* hope you have a great time at the ball tonight too.

chasing your post made me smile too. I am so happy to see the change in them in the last few weeks. Your dad seems to be enjoying grandparent hood and the picture you are now painting is lovely. Xx

Yep, I am a heat after to, though I can apply go to 21. I am. It looking forward to this weekend. Roll on August and the move to NI!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Jul-13 06:16:43


Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Jul-13 06:20:27

Just read your post about next sale * detective* I must not go. I must not go I must not go. But I really want to. We are getting rid of stuff at the mo.

dH has decided we are moving ourselves. shock

We must be absolutely bonkers.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Jul-13 06:32:24

stunt. Your dilemma. Do you know what, I think you want to stay at home for a little bit longer. And I think you have every good reason to. Get DS 1 (. Is that right?) settled in high school and once J is a bit older and easier, then go back.

I realise I go to work, and the only reason I do is to put some money aside for my daughters, which I had agreed with my Ex H. I will obviously be leaving in August. I have loved my career and going to work, mixing with adults and using my brain, but the juggling is really hard. And like you the benefits financially are probably negative.

My mum had a really successful career in education, she was a head of a really tough inner city school and then an Ofsted Inspector. She always worked when I was growing up and she said to me when I had kids, don't ever go back full time. She regretted missing those years. It had been in my head but I haven't listened to her till now!

However I enjoyed being a latch key kid as I am a bit of a loner, but I would have liked her at home more during my secondary years. So that is what I always thought I would do, develop my career and then cut it right back when they got to high school. Luckily I have been able to do it a bit sooner.

Anyway stunt you are an extremely intelligent woman have you thought about home schooling? shock

ChasingDaisy Sat 06-Jul-13 06:45:25

PR and YW have articulated my thoughts about Murray better than I ever could, but I definitely think he gets a rough ride from the media. He is a sportsman and a bloody good one. He doesn't need to be a media darling as well. He is so passionate about his sport and I think the interviews he gave immediately after last years Wimbledon final and the Olympics showed his true nature. I love his mum too. I follow her on Twitter and think she's ace.

O slept 10-6 in the end bless him.

Oh and no need to worry about me, I was the one doing all the attacking in the row, XP was playing the wounded soldier. He definitely doesn't like seeing me strong and happy.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 06-Jul-13 06:57:21

<Hi fives chasing >

Bryzoan Sat 06-Jul-13 07:24:52

<hi 5s chasing too>

Sorry about your dream pr. I had one like that when dd was 1.5 - horrific. Had me on edge for months :-(. Our brains are strange sometimes.

Your night sounds rotten stunt. I think dh should get a bollocking this morning. We had a crap night too - but g was just not right and up every hour again. He seemed really uncomfortable but everything we both ate should have been fine yesterday <confused>.

Lily311 Sat 06-Jul-13 07:40:39

Joining in the hi-five-chasing club. Well done you.

I went to an open theatre last night with my parents, it was amazing. Every year we go but this year the performance was just magic. I'm so glad I have tickets for next weekend too, it will be the Phantom of the Operahouse. O was with a sitter and slept all the way through, woke at 7. Clever girl.

It was weigh in today and I have no idea how but lost 1 kg. slimming world really does work though I cheated quite a lot. I'm happy.

Bryzoan Sat 06-Jul-13 07:56:50

Yay lily on all counts grin. Today is starting to look like a quiche good news day grin. We deserve one of those.

YellowWellies Sat 06-Jul-13 08:18:54

Bry I hope you're spot on with the good news day. Was it maybe dairy traces in a stock cube?

Chasing grin good for you for giving your ex a hard time.

PR I hate that sort of dream - I think they're linked with stress.

Well I was half right about the second wake up - sure enough he wailed for a feed at 5am, I dashed in bleary eyed, wrapping myself in my dressing gown - a walk of 10 seconds - tops. And he'd gone back to sleep. Little bugger! smile

PurplePidjin Sat 06-Jul-13 08:37:42

Stunt shock what a twat! Hope you survive the day brew

R slept 8-2-4-6 but dp got to him at 6so i slept till 8 grin

M did 8:30-2:30-7:45!! Woohoo!

Re. Next sale, it is definitely next weekend. I'm hoping I get another VIP invite so I can shop on Wednesday evening. Fingers crossed as M has a lack of babygrows in the next size up. Although the summer stuff in Next has been a bit lacking, too girly and frilly and pretty for me. I likes bright and funky

ChasingDaisy Sat 06-Jul-13 09:26:43

Can I take nurofen and paracetamol together? Got a migraine and need to attack it.

TheDetective Sat 06-Jul-13 09:31:16

Yup chasing smile

Passmethecrisps Sat 06-Jul-13 10:16:33

Hallo. Morning lads and lasses.

Sun is shining.

P was pretty unsettled last night - don't know why. No biggy really. She was crying out in her sleep at 5am so I brought her in with us. Big mistake! "OMG! It's mum and dad! Hahaha! Dad has fur on his chest - he makes a fun noise when I jank it!" Etc

Anyway, she was back in bed by the back of 7 for an hour and a half so all better now.

We have a play date with the childminder this afternoon. Apart from that no plans.

Any teeth yet YW? Nothing here yet but lots of drool and finger munching.

Dream sounds awful PR. I sometimes have dreams which leave my stomach turning for days. I have to keep reminding myself it was a dream. Did you get to the market?

I found the Murray chat interesting. We had the match on last night when having our tea. DH mused at one point "tell you what. If he doesn't win Wimbledon this year I am going to shit on his golden post box"

Firm but fair I though.

Oh! And that is very cool PR. DH has actually seen Jarvis Cocker's cock. And Kate Adie's tits.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 06-Jul-13 10:23:13

No I didn't get to the market. Sent dh with DD1 so I could clean and do laundry. Not quite done yet but I am putting my feet up while the floor dries.

Passmethecrisps Sat 06-Jul-13 10:28:22

Well you have to, don't you? Otherwise you would get foot prints on the floor.

I forgot to mention - I bought wine the other day and I got ID'd!!

Made my day.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 06-Jul-13 10:29:25

Odd night, F woke and clearly knew I was in her room so shouted and shrieked for about an hour til I relented and let her sleep in my bed. Up at 5.20 but luckily dh had heard, as was awake having had nightmares (something in the water!?) and got up with both girls.

PR I am apparently entitled to 12 weeks a year parental leave shock - suspect they let me have this one as my replacement is there until August...hope you can channel the rage angry

Late to the party, but hi-5's chasing - hope you gave him what for.

Wimbledon...usually I love it but really haven't got into it this year, too much else going on.

Off to the library in the sunshine, and tonight my ILs are having a BBQ for their pearl anniversary.

Passmethecrisps Sat 06-Jul-13 10:29:28

Oh. Aaaaaand.

P is trying to pull herself up in everything. Including the cat.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 06-Jul-13 10:30:15

Pass I have been ID'd fairly recently for buying paracetamol. I have wrinkles ffs. What 15 yr old has wrinkles?!

Passmethecrisps Sat 06-Jul-13 10:54:12

Bizarre isn't it BP?

This woman took. Good long look into my face before asking for ID. I have copious grey hairs, wrinkles and was buying various groceries along with my Pinot Noir. I can't imagine how many 17 year olds would have a similar shop.

TheDetective Sat 06-Jul-13 11:20:10

O was up by 3 for a feed again last night, then up at 6. DP got up with him as him waking at 3 and 6 mean I get very little sleep.

Shame he was shouting at 7.50 'WHY WON'T YOU GO TO SLEEP'. O had screamed and whinged all morning since getting up. He was going to sleep, but then hysterical screaming as soon as put down. Told DP to give him to me, and I lay with him in the crook of my arm. He slept til DS1 woke him thundering about at 9.20. So now his naps are right up the fucker!

hmm He should be sleeping through his first nap now, instead, he is crawling around my feet. DP is going to take him to the park. I want to go to the park. DP is moaning because he wants to go on his own. So I shall sit in the house. On my own. On a lovely day. hmm

DP said I should go out on my own if I want to. Um, where? I'd be lonely and bored. Bloody men.

I thought I might hoover up and do some cooking, but you know what. FUCK IT! I think I might find a book to read or something.

Hope everyone else gets to enjoy the sun!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 06-Jul-13 12:16:28

The house is like a sauna, but if I go outside for too long my hay fever flares up. DD1 enjoying it though. Currently nomming her first ever ice lolly.

Hate summer.

Plus it makes the floor dry too fast so my feet up moment was short lived.

I'm not in a good mood today.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Jul-13 12:58:18

All quiet here. all the boys in bed. Mummy in the garden. Feels a bit weird. Not doing anything.

I decided to try potty training DS1 again. We are having. Better time with it this time so I am going to stick at it.

O's pox seem to be moving along. He is still v spotty and getting a bit grumpy with it. We have had the air con on at night though And he is sleeping ok.

I think you need a good nights sleep pr the bad dream seems to have setup off on the wrong foot for the day.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 06-Jul-13 13:29:09

Air con? envy

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Jul-13 13:46:28

The DH earned another D by purchasing it the summer that I was pregnant with DS1. grin

ChasingDaisy Sat 06-Jul-13 13:55:28

Oscar with his dad, I've been to the hairdressers and now I have no idea what to do with myself.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 06-Jul-13 14:05:00

Chasing my mum, dh and dsd have gone into town. F is asleep. Ditto.

I intend to go and lie in the sun and bask in the temporary silence grin and eat gingerbread men

ChasingDaisy Sat 06-Jul-13 14:31:14

I am sitting in the sun reading a magazine smile Migraine has been successfully attacked, thanks det smile

PetiteRaleuse Sat 06-Jul-13 14:31:44

chasing Wimbledon final. Cheer on the French player.

PurplePidjin Sat 06-Jul-13 14:59:18

We had a lovely day - bbq picnic in the Forest for my friend's dd's 2nd birthday. Proper idyllic with the big cousins swinging from a rope swing and the little cousins paddling in the stream grin R has just gone down in his cot for a nap and, as i did the housework before we went out, I'm feet up with the tennis. Might get to do some crochet too if mn doesn't suck me in

ChasingDaisy Sat 06-Jul-13 15:12:15

Sorry PR I'm rooting for Lisicki.

Sounds idyllic Pidj, I love the new forest envy

BigPigLittlePig Sat 06-Jul-13 15:38:29

Piglet has partially lost her voice - a combination of a virus and all that screaming means she sounds like she has a 20 a day habit.

No thermometers in this house, but I know that it is bloomin' hot. Nonetheless, F, aka coldest baby in the world, still sleeps in babygro and 2.5 tog bag at night, and with vest & fleece blanket in the day takes after her mum then

MissMummy1 Sat 06-Jul-13 15:38:38

Trying to do my hair for tonight and realising I am a rubbish female....

ChasingDaisy Sat 06-Jul-13 16:43:06

MM I am a rubbish female too. Competely crap at all the hair and make up stuff.

Evilwater Sat 06-Jul-13 17:49:06

Hd a lovely day, with N. we saw great nana, and N went to his very first birthday party! grin of course he's not wanted to sleep at all the afternoon, and he is napping now.

I just hope he is ok, tonight as I'm on a night shift sad
Fingers crossed peeps


TheDetective Sat 06-Jul-13 18:16:58

Bloody hell! O has been whinging since 4pm. No known reason!

He's finally stopped! Because his mouth is full of food! He's had his dinner and cried in between every mouthful, even though he wanted the food!

Now he is happily sucking on 'sweetcorn rings'. Onion rings to you and me, minus any flavour! Organixs thingies. Fuck he loves them!

Oh. Fully expecting to see grass in his nappy contents tomorrow... siiiiiiiigh! Also, like E, Horsey, O has escaped from the patio doors, with quite some speed. Me running after him hmm. He made it to the grass before I got to him. That is, out the door, across the patio, and on to the grass! D'oh!

Hope your night shift goes well Evil!

Lily311 Sat 06-Jul-13 18:31:49

We had a boring afternoon, went to the swings after 5 as it was around 37 degrees before. Hate the summer here, too dry and hot. Not humid at least. I will try to put a video up, she is like a wind up baby in the swings, too cute.

I'm rubbish at hair and make up too :-(.

Good luck evil.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sat 06-Jul-13 18:48:12

Also rubbish at hair and make up. Think my current mascara is about 4 years old. I just don't wear it and figure I am so fat a bit of make up ain't gonna change it so why bother?

Hot, hot day here. Paddling pool in garden all day, so DC loved it. S just falling asleep on me, about to pop in cot, then wait for DH to finish putting DD and DSD to bed before we get a curry and watch Old Skool.

Hope everyone had lovely days and wishing easy evenings and uninterrupted sleep for all!

LuisGarcia Sat 06-Jul-13 18:59:21

I'm rubbish at hair and makeup, too, if anyone was wondering.

ChasingDaisy Sat 06-Jul-13 19:03:45

O had a lovely day with his dad. He took him into town and several people stopped to say how beautiful O was smile He is such a happy, confident baby now <proud emoticon>

Another nice day planned tomorrow, my aunt and uncle are popping down from up North to go out for Sunday lunch.

Oh and I got wolf whistled at today whilst carrying O <still got it emoticon grin >

ChasingDaisy Sat 06-Jul-13 19:04:28

Damnit Luis that has completely shattered the idea of you that I had in my head.

YellowWellies Sat 06-Jul-13 19:31:08

Went to the Scottish game fair at Scone palace today. Pleb that I am in spite of the wonderful charcuterie, venison, truffle oil and other naice things we picked up - what was my highlight? Discovering the chip van with chips and dairy free curry sauce! Epic grin

DH had fly casting tuition, we had a lovely picnic, watched dog shows, racing ferrets, falconry etc and mooched around the craft and gourmet tents. Jonas was in the ergo rubber necking and chatting to everyone and every dog. Just about managed to bite my tongue when I overheard a beheadscarfed hunter welly type moaning about not being able to dock her dog's tail and the resultant wagging putting her ornaments at risk shock shock shock

PurplePidjin Sat 06-Jul-13 19:46:37

Liar, Luis, you were beautifully presented when we had coffee wink

I, however, lack the "giveafuck" gene wrt my appearance. As long as i look vaguely female and clean, I'm good to go.

I do however have sunburnt boobs hmm

StuntNun Sat 06-Jul-13 20:16:00

I'm fed up of people telling me how tired I look. hmm Yes James has only slept through the night once in seven and a half months. That I'd why I look tired. It's because I'm fucking tired.

ChasingDaisy Sat 06-Jul-13 20:24:51

I snapped at someone at work once because they told me I looked tired stunt. I thought I was tired. This was before I had a baby hmm Tired is my signature look now. Dark circles r us here.

ChasingDaisy Sat 06-Jul-13 20:25:12

Emailed you pr smile

kirrinIsland Sat 06-Jul-13 20:42:21

a very late hi-5 to chasing

sophia My mum said similar - her main regret in life was going back to work full time. I am hoping to string out part-time for as long as possible - even one they are
all both at school.
stunt I am thinking you should say off a little while longer - at least until DS1 is settled. Maybe keep an eye on the jobs pages so you wont miss it if the world's most perfect job comes up!

I am also rubbish at hair and make-up. I have the lazy long hair scraped back in a pony tail look - and it doesn't even suit me! I am still pondering whether to cut it all off. I have 2 weeks to make up my mind. I'll probably decide as I walk through the door to the salon.

I am spitting tonight. It has been really bloody warm here today, and some absolute twat has decided tonight would be a great time to burn some garden waste or something. The kids bedrooms are nearly 28 degrees and I have had to shut all the windows due to all the bloody smoke wafting into the house angry I've got fans going but all they are doing really is moving warm air around. We have an air conditioning unit somewhere, but i'm not sure where and anyway, its the sort that needs venting out of a window. I am a pretty tolerant live and let live sort of a person but this has really wound me up.

ChasingDaisy Sat 06-Jul-13 21:24:54


Can I tell you something quiche? Something daft?

Now that I am feeling happy and full of excitement at what my future holds, I am worried that I have bipolar and that this is just a manic period. I haven't been happy in so long that I genuinely don't know what's normal anymore confused

TheDetective Sat 06-Jul-13 21:44:12

Nothing is daft chasing!

I will text you my thoughts as they are probably quite personal.

But I do think what you are feeling is completely normal. smile

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 06-Jul-13 21:54:56

Fab day here. Went to a friends BBQ. Started off brilliantly by the Lions winning the test (I won't start another sport based rant as I'll probably be outnumbered again) but the Lions are the eptiomine of what rugby is all about. I can't even begin to describe how passionate DH is about the lions (I don't mean the furry kind) so it's hard for some of it to not rub off on me. We got engaged in NZ on the 2005 Lions tour. Anyhoo.....

The kids all had a whale of a time in the garden with the sprinkler on, bouncy castle and paddling pools. DD1 didn't stop all day. E however was far too sleepy to partake in much excitement and her day has bascially been: awake 8am sleep 10-12 then again 3-5 and bed 8pm. She's not been napping much at all int he day since we got back from holiday. Must be the heat.

pr It will be no surprise to you that I wanted Lisicki to win the tennis smile Hope it cheered you up.

Tomorrow there is a big free family festival near here which they hold annually. Is a great day out so I'll be off there (not avoiding the tennis at all, oh no) I just hope there is lots of shade there as the last time I went it was blimming hot.

We have one aircon unit and one cooling unit thing. E has the cooling unit in her room and we have the aircon leaving DD1 to suffer the heat. [insert bad mum emoticion] Must get her one!

Sounds like there have been lots of fun days had (sorry yours was dull lily).

Evening all

Sorry I haven't caught up.
Just posted a picture from our day on the FB page. Involved a trip to A&E for M after she got hit by a cricket ball watching daddy play.
She's fine, just got a lovely bruise and bump on her forehead, complete with seam mark. I, however, feel horrendous.

I feel better for getting her checked out but felt awful driving to the hospital. I'm normally so good with the ball. I curse parents that stand at the bar not watching while their kids run about paying no attention to the ball. And then I let my baby get hit. She was sat on the blanket playing and I was sat on the bench with my mum. I'd just thought about going to sit with her or putting her in the pram for a walk but she was playing happily so I sat at the bench to finish my drink and read a text i'd just got.
Next thing I know the balls coming, told my Mum to move her as she was closest but I felt like I was glued to the seat. Couldn't move fast enough.

It looked like it was going to miss her but it hit her pram and bounced back and hit her in the head. I've never heard her scream so loud sad Nothing would calm her down, not even boob. Took her to A&E and we were in and out in 30 mins! Nurse we saw was fab (and quite dishy too). M was all smiles, even putting her feet up on his desk grin

She's been full of life since: playing and singing. Now fast asleep in her cot. Not sure what to do with her tonight, whether to leave her, sleep in her room or bring her in with me to stop me worrying.

Sorry for the long post, just needed somewhere to expel all my panic from earlier

Pikz Sat 06-Jul-13 22:05:05

Can someone please explain why L is crawling around the lounge still 3 hours after bedtime laughing his head off yet when put in cot screams and screams? Bizarre!

Glad to hear of some lovely days and hope yours improved PR.

We went to a BBQ and caught some sun and L charmed everyone and loved the basin of water!

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 06-Jul-13 22:08:33

No not daft at all chasing My dad had bipolar. His highs and lows were so extreme he just never acted normally at all (whatever normal is). Although obvioulsy I have never met you but you don't seem manic at all to me. You've been through a lot of shit and have come out the other end. I think what you feel now is "normal". Please try not to worry and just enjoy it.

YellowWellies Sat 06-Jul-13 22:16:55

Fatima have her wherever you'll worry about her the least. She'll be fine but you sound as though you're still in shock xx

TheDetective Sat 06-Jul-13 22:17:05


Where the fuck are ya dudes?!

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Jul-13 22:44:22

Here. Tired. J still awake as fucking reflux is back now he is eating again. So fucking pissed off with our care.

But we had a fairly nice day at The Falkirk Wheel which is a canal lift, but rather fancy. Most things there are free, like an adventure playground, water play and parking, plus lovely grass to sit on next to the wheel. The cafe was reasonable too, but you can always take a picnic. And within walking distance of that house too wink

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Jul-13 22:58:53

Fatima poor M and poor you. At least the pram was hit first so it would have taken some of the power out of it.

J now asleep after another 2oz. He was beyond tired. As am I. The antibiotics are making me feel sick and dizzy. If I were not on them, and did not have my tubes tied, I would be peeing on a stick.

Night night all. Thank you for missing me Detective.

Oh, and Chasing, you Rock grin

Pikz Sat 06-Jul-13 23:01:45

Arrrghhh just got L to settle but took another 5oz milk and Capol and rocking. Not had a bedtime that bad since newborn days hmm

VQ I am sorry. Is there anyway you can get to someone higher up??

Chasing you are not bipolar. When I left my ex who was horrific I felt I had found me again and I was scared of how happy I was. It frightened me for months.

Fatima hope M is ok and igo with YW advice of wherever you are most comfortable.

Det if it makes you feel any better I think I found grass in Ls poo today shock

daisychain76 Sat 06-Jul-13 23:27:42

Evening. Glad M is ok fatima.

Thanks for the advice about nappies pidj . They areok round the legs but seem tight round the tummy. l got poppers but l think velcro would‘ve been better. Teenyfits are a fab present. When l had H he was early and small and a friend took the time to research and buy me a selection of reusables for premmies. It was a lovely gift because l just didn‘t have the time.

Chasing others will know a lot better than me but l think it is fairly normal for your emotions to be heightened after a big life event.

Doing a 13 mile sponsored bike ride with the youth group l run. Only tried bike l‘m borrowing once for 20 yards. Other than that probably last time l rode l was 18. I am worried!

kirrinIsland Sat 06-Jul-13 23:27:49

Poor m fatima sad Hope you are both ok.

VQ you really need a break - any chance?

chasing I'm no expert, but I suspect you may have been down for so long you've forgotten what up feels like.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 06-Jul-13 23:43:30

Happiness is frightening when you haven't experienced it for a long time. It's a normal reaction. You are re-learning freedom, how to breathe (yes, I am repetitive).

Fatima as a baby dropper I can imagine how scared and useless in the face of crying you must have felt. A screaming reaction to a head bump though is a good thing. Really! Toddlerdom and all the headbumps that incurs is coming soon. I reckon you should all dowoad lists of concussion symptoms to make those a&e trips less stressful smile

I am trying and failing to wind down after a bbq with friends. Realised once they had gone that I had spent so much time with the girls or ensuring that everyone ate that I ate one breadstick myself and half a sausage. Currently gorging on the cheese plate and wine

they were people we used to live next door to. Ate at each others every week. Moved two villages away and went six months with very little contact. sad

They were the people I turned to when dd1 was in hospital over new year. It's sad we lost touch. Tonight was stilted. Not like before. Out of sight out of mind...

Night quiche. May Murray kick ass tomorrow. Plan to get up early, clear up bbq debris and take us all out before it gets too hot. Back in time for Wimbledon of course.

LO has just gone down after 12 hours awake. Not one to miss a party. I can also hear DD1 chattering away. Lie in tomorrow? Would be nice. If I dare sleep.

Pikz Sat 06-Jul-13 23:45:38

Wishing you sweet dreams PR

PetiteRaleuse Sat 06-Jul-13 23:47:49

I'm wishing myself NO dreams x

PetiteRaleuse Sat 06-Jul-13 23:50:00

eliza I get the Lions thing. grin

YellowWellies Sun 07-Jul-13 00:36:54

Two wake ups already?? Pretty please may there be a tooth by morning.....

VQ did you go and see the house?

I'm hoping MM is having a whale of a time at her grad ball.

In between wake ups DH and I have been watching the Impossible on blink box - he turned around to me (us both snivelling wrecks) and said with a shaky voice that we're not taking Jonas anywhere with a tsunami risk until he's grown. Soft man wink

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 07-Jul-13 00:50:33

Having a nightmare with James tonight. He has slept for two hours so far and now will not settle. He's been fed so DH is in attempting to get him back in cot and sleeping.

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Jul-13 01:25:34

Sorry I have not read anything but need to use up some sweariness. We had a lovely lovely lovely evening but fucking SIL has ruined it. Needless to say she is the most incapable, rude waste of fucking space who is never having my daughter again. I want to go home right now but I am too fucking tired and angry to drive sad angry

PurplePidjin Sun 07-Jul-13 02:03:41

MM, elaborate? <hug>

Nearly 5 hours again. That's two nights in a row...

StuntNun Sun 07-Jul-13 04:33:37

What happened MM, sounds terrible?

Another disturbed night here. hmm I attempted to skip the dream feed because I was so tired at bedtime but J had me up for an hour at 11:30. Then I was up three times for dummy stuff, DS2 crying in his sleep and next door driving off at high speed making me think my car had been stolen. Now I'm up again with J for his night feed. I was hoping DH would give him a bottle but he told me to stop whining about how tired I am. I told him I would swan off to a hotel for four nights so that I could tell him to stop whining about how tires he was. Then I hit him with a pillow. blush Seriously though there's no way he could cope, half an hour of J crying and he loses his temper with him.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 07-Jul-13 05:04:54

MM that doesn't sound good. What on earth has happened. Good idea to not driving experience tired or angry.

stunt J was up for over an hour at last wake and only slept two hours when eventually put down. He's up again now and has been since 3.20am!so he's spent a grand total of 3hrs 50 mins in bed d tonight. Not fun, I feel your tiredness. DH was out Fri night, arrived home at 4am and slept on couch, all fine I hear you thinking. I was up with kids at 7 and we stayed upstairs til nearer 9 so that could sleep on a bit. I figured this way he might be more agreeable to me returning to bed for a nap. Went downstairs and he continued to sleep til 2pm!! This with DD playing around him and d's crying! Argh! I did go for a nap from 3pm tho!

DS has just finished feeding again so I will attempt transfer number 2372 of tonight!

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 07-Jul-13 05:26:23

Fucking idiots outside my house shouting and swearing and being generally unreasonable! Someone called leeann is getting shouted at a lot!

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 07-Jul-13 05:31:25

Right ds back in cot, leeann and tow have fucked off, I am going to attempt more sleep. Supposed to be going to church this morning but cannot see it far enough. Didn't go last week as was at hen doo on sat night. Worried minister will be all judge if we don't go two weeks in a row!

PurplePidjin Sun 07-Jul-13 05:33:35

Stunt angry

Izzy we live just off a pub route, so i feel your pain angry telling them to fuck off isn't helpful oh no no

2nd wake up shock

PurplePidjin Sun 07-Jul-13 05:35:09

Izzy, i make it once a month. They're just happy to see us livens up the sermon whenR joins in

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Jul-13 06:44:15

Oh no mm what has happened?

Sorry for the poo night stunt,izzy and yw

chasing like the others say i am sure you afe ok. However I do empathise as I did think that about myself after I left my ex. I could go from ecstatic for having got the old me back, like pikz to really low missing my girls in the week. Still I have super highs as I am so happy in my life, but I have the odd bout of the blues missing the girls. I am sure emotional changes are normal. Anyway, you deserve a high!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Jul-13 06:47:20

izzy I am not making it to church this week either because of pox and potty training, would just be too stressful. I didn't go last week because I was dropping the girls and won't be there next week either. <grimace emoticon > they sorry of expect it coming into the summer months I think. Is a big church anyway no one will realise till the next On my way! I go!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Jul-13 06:51:20

*Till the next time I go.

Can I have title of Quiche Sausage Fingers please Luis

Bryzoan Sun 07-Jul-13 07:17:09

Sophia - I'll fight you for it. I think I usually am the worst for that grin.

Stunt and izzy, what shamboloc half excuses for husbands do you have? I am sure they must have their plus points, but still. You two and vq have been having to cope with way more than is healthy. Time for some serious discussions on how you can get some relief - though stunt I can see that can't involve overnight. Izzy - wgat denomination are you? You seem really worried about your minister - i remember your concern about maybe gaving to move the baptism visit to take lo to the docs. Is he really that oppressive that he'd begrudge sleep in your situation? My mum is a minister and she would be packing you back to bed faster than you could blink!

Yw I am sorry for your crap night too.

Mm I hope m is ok and am so sorry you had a horrid end to your night.

R's party yesterday was really lovely. She and all the other kids were very happy and excited. My highlight was. Her face when I brought the cake out and she was so excited and tried to blow out the candles. I also loved the way she said 'oooooo' unwrapping her presents, and the joy she got dancing on her feet to the hokey cokey. G loved it too - especially the sweetcorn rings.

Bryzoan Sun 07-Jul-13 07:20:17

Ok I wasn't just trying to proove a point there re sausage fingers - promise!

Oh - and chasing. Quice fish to you. You are just happy. Enjoy it grin.

ChasingDaisy Sun 07-Jul-13 07:23:34

stunt angry. Seriously? Does he have no idea how much you have been coping with?!

MM I hope you and M are ok. What happened?

Thank you all for the reassurance, pikz and Sophia it is helpful to know that you have felt the same way. Saturdays are my 'wobble' day as it is when XP has O, and I saw XBIL yesterday too as he picked them up. He actually only lives 5mins away from my dad but luckily I haven't bumped into him yet.

O slept through from 7-5.30 and then was wide awake trying to pick the moles off my arm hmm Got him back down at 6.30 and about to wake him now.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sun 07-Jul-13 07:36:30

bry glad the party was good, R sounds like she had a great time. I have never been brave enough to do a party but DD would love all that, so maybe I'll take some inspiration for next year.

eliza totally get it too.

YW I positively howled during the trailer for that film. In the cinema. DH made me leave to compose myself. It was under 2 months after DS was born, and I just couldn't get the image of knowledge of the wave coming, but knowing you are not close enough to your kids to grab them and at least try and protect them. Fuck me, am welling up now.

MM hope all ok. Vent away.

fatima hugs. Hope M fine this morning to reassure you.

PR my plans for the day sound remarkably similar.

DD wouldn't go to sleep last night so I brought her in with me. Totally worth it as I got my very first, unprompted, "I love you Mummy". My heart is still a puddle on the floor.

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Jul-13 07:37:15


Been reading. Will post later.

Coffee everyone?

<passes round brew >

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sun 07-Jul-13 07:38:10

Oh and stunt WTAF?

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Jul-13 07:52:36

Thanks pass you read my mind.

chasing I get the Sunday blues when I drop the girls off, though not so much anymore it has been 4 years.

The Northern Irish contingent are over, SIL And BIL and kiddos. They usually stay with us but as we are in the tiny rental house this year they have brought their caravan, had a lovely few days at Longleat and are coming over to a campsite near us on the banks of the Thames today. I think Lego.and is in store for the next couple of days. Thus I think the afternoon will be spent bbqing on the banks of the Thames. Larvely. Lets just hope DS1 behaves with his potty and I don't have to spend the afternoon changing wet clothes!

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Jul-13 08:03:46

Stunt, do you remember when I said that your DH did not look how I imagined him to? I think that is because in the picture he looked like a kind attentive father, and sadly your descriptions of him here leave him lacking.

We drove past the house, and it looks idyllic. I think it is just a bit of escapism but we will view it next Saturdat just to be sure. Location is fab, but the homebuyer report has mostly 2s and two 3s so there are a lot of problems with it. Structurally it seems to be ok, and was built circa 1850. There are mice, and rot, damp, needs rewiring and new heating probably, the windows need attention etc.

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Jul-13 08:10:32

So glad M was okay fatima

In short, we told her we would be out until 2.30ish. Any problems phone us and we are only a 20min drive away. I left very very clear laminated instructions on her routine and dos and donts.

Well DH had 2 texts from them all night saying everything was fine. I phoned about 10ish and everything was alledgedly okay. I was knackered though so we decided to leave at 12.30 and sent them a text saying we would be back v soon. Back pings another one saying they are 'disappointed we have stayed out so long as it shows we clwarly dont care about them or our daughter and the little shit has been a nightmare'. Cue this face shock shock shock sad sad sad

So I drove back as quickly as I could to find M asleep on BIL in a filthy vest from yesterday (wtf? ) and went straight in to pick her up and cuddle her. Her face was blotchy and she had clearly been crying for some time. They hadn't given her a bottle the WHOLE night, no sign of her sleep pod or sleepsuit I left out for her and quite frankly it is bloody obvious they hadnt even tried to put her down in the travel cot. SIL then called me all the names under the sun for alledgedly blanking her when I went in before throwing a massive hissy fit and stropping off to bed. Not before calling M 'my little shit'

I am so angry it has taken me all my effort not to lose it with them. I feel sick that I left M with these people (she is a church going lawyer ffs). DP seems to be supporting me though on this one. I just want to go home now sad sad sad

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sun 07-Jul-13 08:17:48

MM that sounds horrendous, how awful to refer to M that way and behave so vilely. Glad DP is supporting you. I'd be inclined to cut SIL and BIL out. What kind of a person looks after a baby like that FFS?

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Jul-13 08:22:03

I really do not want anything more to do with them after last night. I feel sick as I know there is likely to be an argument this morning. I have told DP he either supports M and me or he stays behind. He is livid too though.

Bryzoan Sun 07-Jul-13 08:24:39

Mm that is horrible. Bug hugs to you and to M who is categorically a little darling.

MadameGazelleIsMyMum Sun 07-Jul-13 08:25:08

Can you avoid another argument by an icy repetition of something pithy that covers how you feel but doesn't leave the door open for discussion? And just get up and go?

BigPigLittlePig Sun 07-Jul-13 08:27:41

MM I literally feel your pain. It's awful, when you've put your trust in someone who assures you that they will be fine, ignores opportunities to call you when they are not, and then accuses the baby of being the problem. M will not remember, but it shatters your trust in most people. I am a nervous wreck leaving F now, after the CM incident. It's even worse that they are your family sad

I have woken with a massive fucking hicky on my neck and arm. I have vague recollections of F sucking my neck in the night but was so tired that I ignored it - what a fool! And I have to work later! No makeup under the sun is going to disguise that - plus am another rubbish female, even more so since F was born.

Stunt I have nothing to add thanks

Um.... needs kyz and her summaries Chasing I'm with everyone else, I think you are just feeling normal. Unless you have crazy unrealistic plans to go to the moon or similar?

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Jul-13 08:30:12

Yes mm1 your DP must suport you on this and in your place I would let them feel the full effect of my anger.

However don't worry too much about M she will very quickly forget her horrible evening with her aunt. You have nothing to feel guilty about; everything to feel angry about.

stunt your husband needs to man up and show you more support. It is his job as father of your children.

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Jul-13 08:31:07

I actually thoight of you when they said it bplp - they are the first people I have left M with other than my mum and I am devastated they let her down so badly. I am hoping to load the car up before they wake up so we can just go.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 07-Jul-13 08:37:39

MM you can expect to feel guilty about leaving her with them for some time, if my feelings are anything to go by. But you couldn't have known how inadequately they would be able to look after her, and she will not remember. Be kind to yourself ignores own advice

PurplePidjin Sun 07-Jul-13 09:01:06

"Of course she was upset. You completely failed to do any basic care, of the kind even dumb animals can manage. Phone us when you're ready to apologise for your neglect and abuse of our tiny daughter"


TheDetective Sun 07-Jul-13 09:10:58

What a fucking horrendous piece of work MM. Nasty, horrible, vindictive cow.

I hope karma comes and bites her on the fucking ass.

Get you and M out of there, and never look back. Time to cut ties. And tell everyone what she did and said. People don't approve of others neglecting babies. Which is what she has done. Or calling them little shits.

Glad to see VQ and Pass. smile Don't neglect your duties wink.

VQ Sounds lovely.... ahhhh smile Well. Apart from mice. And shit.

O now down for his first nap. I am on my own today. DP has gone out to do a car boot with his mum. Fuck knows why. I've dug a few bits for him to take. But it really isn't worth his while. I think he just wanted to escape for 6 hours hmm.

So, O woke as I got to number 26 on the sheep counter last night hmm because I ran out of Nytol!. Settled him back down. Think the toddle pod was making him too hot, so took him out, and he slept! Til 6!!! Good work!

Only down side.... he was up for the day. I prefer a 5am wake up because he has never failed to go back to sleep after that, til around 7 or so.

I'm going to go and make some breakfast, and sit in peace. After that I think I'll go and get ready and go to the car boot where DP is. It's a big fun day type thing too.

DS1 due back at 10 from a Scouts sleep over.

Will enjoy the next 50 minutes peace......................


TheDetective Sun 07-Jul-13 09:11:57

What pidj said. <Nods head>.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Jul-13 09:14:41

Good advice pidj

Qq: paté? Are they allowed it?

TheDetective Sun 07-Jul-13 09:18:22

Not a clue PR. I would say no, it's a high risk of listeria, so would probably steer clear til 1 perhaps?

Not sure....

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Jul-13 09:28:16

Just googled - yes they should wait til a year because of risk of food poisoning like undercooked eggs and shellfish.

Oh well.. I think she'll be ok, it was made yesterday and has been in the fridge since. DH gave her some. The risk is small though so I'll not lose any sleep over it.

PurplePidjin Sun 07-Jul-13 09:31:51


Pate I'm not sure. Dp doesn't do pork/shellfish so we agreed we'd avoid those for R until he's old enough to ask what mummy's eating, then he can try it if he wants. Otherwise i probably would but only hermetically sealed supermarket stuff or from our lovely proper butcher.

R is asleep on me. I need to pee. Please may all those not making it to church pray for my pelvic floor instead? thanks

StuntNun Sun 07-Jul-13 09:48:40

Poor M MM, I'm sure you were gutted that she was upset and they told you everything was okay. Some people are just not cut out to look after babies. It would be different if she was crying but they had made every effort to comfort and look after her, or they had called you back early. Still at least she will get over it quickly and she wasn't hurt, you know you can't trust them with her again. Lots of mummy cuddles today and she'll be right as rain.

The house looks great VQ, do you have connections to do the work required? In my (limited) experience a house of that age should be okay structurally, but it's a lot of work to take on. On the plus side when it's done it will all be exactly as you want it.

Sorry you had yet another bad night Izzy, is there any sign of improvement in J's sleep at all? I think I'm so gutted because there seemed to be an improvement when I stopped eating egg then a marked deterioration when my J ate chicken nuggets which are flavoured with egg apparently. So I was all set for an improvement in my sleep which hasn't materialised.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Jul-13 09:49:00

confused what I don't get though mm is why they everything was ok when it wasn't? Weirdos. You had said you would come back. confused

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 07-Jul-13 09:57:52

mm glad you had a great time at your ball but so sorry to read it had a horrid end. It's so hard placing trust in people to look after your child, I can only imagine how awful it feels to have that trust abused. As others have said M will never remember this incident. We live and learn and you know that these people can never be trusted to look after your child again. At least you found out at this incident rather than further down the line.

pr and madame yay go lions. Roar!

E's learnt to clap. So cute.

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Jul-13 09:58:05

Apparently they thought they could cope. I made it very clear I was a 20 minute drive away, and then when we did come back early they were so horrible. Luckily they seem to have buggered off out for the day so we can quietly just pack our thingsand leave. I am so so angry but I think I might calm down and then write her a letter outlining why I am so disappointed and why I want Matilda to have nothing more to do with them.

I would be doing exactly the same had it been my sister, although worryingly my 18 year old dsis is far more capable than them.

I feel sick. Sorry sad

ChasingDaisy Sun 07-Jul-13 09:58:14

MM I would be livid. I thought my in-laws were bad but I would definitely be cutting them out. They don't deserve to have any contact with M at all.

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Jul-13 09:59:10

*I might wait till we have all calmed down

StuntNun Sun 07-Jul-13 10:17:00

I'm not sure why my DH is having such a difficult time coping but I think it must be down to stress. His job is extremely high stress, he has to travel abroad at least once a month and in the last two months there was a period where he was away in four of five consecutive weeks. That puts a lot of pressure on me, especially as I was just finishing my degree (exam results still to come eek!) so my mum has been coming over to help out which is great for me but the two of them don't get on <- understatement alert.

Personally I think a big part of the problem is DH's childhood experiences. His dad will not lift a finger around the house, even when he was made redundant and out of work for a year he wouldn't do 'women's work'. So my MIL was working a part-time job, doing all the housework and getting four children fed, clothed and out to school. So I think subconsciously DH's idea of how life should be is that he should come home from work and be able to do whatever he wants without worrying about looking after the kids or doing any housework. So that means when he does do any chores or looks after the kids he regards it as being a big favour to me! But that's all subconscious, consciously I think he really believes he is doing the lion's share of the housework and that other working fathers don't do that. He's made a couple of comments such as he's the one that always takes the glass jars and bottles for recycling. But in actual fact I probably do that as often as he does, it's just that he doesn't notice when I do it because I don't make a big song and dance about it. He also get annoyed that there's always drying washing hanging up in the house but I don't think he really understands how many loads of washing a family of five generate in a week and I'm too stingy to use the tumble dryer apart from in emergencies!

So I think he has a lot to deal with: stress at work, a feeling of too many chores at home, not to mention that I'm tired and stressed out as well. And that has led to a catastrophic failure to cope with family life. I hear him shouting at the boys and it just makes me think I'm glad he's not my dad. I shout at them too, DS1 and DS2 can be very difficult, but I try to temper it with love, affection and praise when they are good. Sometimes he plays the role of 'great dad', taking them on days out or buying them toys. But then he swings too far the other way and it's all put downs, threats of taking their toys away and smacked bottoms. He goes from permissive to authoritarian in the blink of an eye. Sometimes I think about making a note of all the things he says during the day but then that might depress me more.

I suppose I keep hoping that things will get better, especially as J's sleep has been so disastrous which is basically ruining our lives. I think it will be better when my exams are over / when school finishes for summer / when we are away on holiday. But maybe I'm just fooling myself and it will never get better.

Donnadoon Sun 07-Jul-13 10:17:55

Fucking hell!!! mm I ain't a swearer but shit !! Take your baby and never ever speak to these vile individuals again...don't beat yourself up, M will never remember the trauma, and if DP don't support you then fuck him too flowers

StuntNun Sun 07-Jul-13 10:18:42

Sorry my last post lost a bit in the middle. Stupid phone. You can have fun imagining what was deleted from the middle!

Donnadoon Sun 07-Jul-13 10:22:52

stunt from an outsiders point of view, you do have an awful lot on your plate, but I think that you are both doing your best to muddle through these tough months, I also think that it takes 12 months ish for the dynamics of a family to re ajust after a new baby. I think you are right about school and exams finishing and holidays coming up...you will all be able to breathe then.

StuntNun Sun 07-Jul-13 10:23:13

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

StuntNun Sun 07-Jul-13 10:24:29

What is going on, I keep losing a bit, will try on the website rather than the app.

StuntNun Sun 07-Jul-13 10:26:12

Last attempt...

I'm not sure why my DH is having such a difficult time coping but I think it must be down to stress. His job is extremely high stress, he has to travel abroad at least once a month and in the last two months there was a period where he was away in four of five consecutive weeks. That puts a lot of pressure on me, especially as I was just finishing my degree (exam results still to come eek!) so my mum has been coming over to help out which is great for me but the two of them don't get on (understatement alert).

Personally I think a big part of the problem is DH's childhood experiences. His dad would not lift a finger around the house, even when he was made redundant and out of work for a year he wouldn't do 'women's work'. So my MIL was working a part-time job, doing all the housework and getting four children fed, clothed and out to school. So I think subconsciously DH's idea of how life should be is that he should come home from work and be able to do whatever he wants without worrying about looking after the kids or doing any housework. So that means when he does do any chores or looks after the kids he regards it as being a big favour to me! But it's all subconscious, consciously I think he really believes he is doing the lion's share of the housework and that other working fathers don't do that. He's made a couple of comments such as he's the one that always takes the glass jars and bottles for recycling. But in actual fact I probably do that as often as he does, it's just that he doesn't notice when I do it because I don't make a big song and dance about it. He also get annoyed that there's always drying washing hanging up in the house but I don't think he really understands how many loads of washing a family of five generate in a week and I'm too stingy to use the tumble dryer apart from in emergencies!

So I think he has a lot to deal with: stress at work, a feeling of too many chores at home, not to mention that I'm tired and stressed out as well. And that has led to a catastrophic failure to cope with family life. I hear him shouting at the boys and it just makes me think I'm glad he's not my dad. I know I shout at them too but I try to temper it with love, affection and praise when they are good. Sometimes he plays the role of 'great dad', taking them on days out or buying them toys. But then he swings too far the other way and it's all put downs, threats of taking their toys away and smacked bottoms.

I suppose I keep hoping that things will get better, especially as J's sleep has been so disastrous which is basically ruining our lives. I think it will be better when my exams are over / when school finishes for summer / when we are away on holiday. But maybe I'm just fooling myself and it will never get better.

StuntNun Sun 07-Jul-13 10:26:42

Yay it worked, I'll stop spamming the thread now and go and pack.

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Jul-13 10:39:36

It just makes me think I'm glad he's not my dad



Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Jul-13 12:08:15

<wanders into thread brandishing pimms, strawberries and sunblock>

Remember your sunblock ladies and gent! Don't slather the kids and forget yourself! <nods wisely and speaks from experience>

Well. Don't know where to start actually. Might do a few posts and split things up.

chasing I missed the hi-5 ing so please accept this <bro hug> as an alternative. Plenty peeps have also given reassurance about how you are now feeling. I hope that you can relax and embrace the feeling of oxygen rushing round your body - all that time holding you breath must have left you deprived.

stunt you are so pragmatic and empathic - reading the way you describe your DH and the causes for his behaviour is quite emotional. Your DH is very lucky to have such a patient and sensitive DW. I am sure you are right that once sleep becomes a regular feature of your household you can all start working on being a proper family again.

WTF MM!? I just don't understand your SIL's behaviour. Why would she contact you twice to say all was well and then lose the rag? How bizarre. I could forgive the dirty vest and the sleeping on BIL if they had had a lovely time. You know what I mean? If they had all just been playing and enjoying themselves I wouldn't mind about the other stuff. I also wouldn't mind about the crying - babies cry and can be really hard to settle. But the accusations and name calling? WTF?

Here is my theory. They were having a lovely time and enjoying themselves, forgetting or ignoring the guidance you had left. Then things start to go a bit pear shaped, M gets overtired and hysterical (and we all know how distressing an overtired baby is) just as you text to say you are coming home. Panic sets in as they realise hey have no idea how to cope now and you text to say you will be back early. Your SIL realises how wrong thing have got but can't accept responsibility so blames you and M.

Accepting this as being the case here is what I would do. I would leave them a wee note thanking them for agreeing to sit for you . . . Bear with me! Say that you are not quite sure what happened but it is clear that everyone is pretty upset. I would explain that You are hurt by the references to M in a negative way and that you cannot accept that she is to blame for whatever happened. Then, maybe I would conclude with a kind of invitation for them to get in touch should they want to talk through the evening.

As I have said above, I would forget the lack d sleep suit, the dirty vest the lack of grobag. Leave it behind. Those things don't matter. What matters is the nasty accusation and cruel references to your child. My suggestion above I suppose also only stands if you have any interest in salvaging a relationship. If not then forget them.

VQ I have yet to visit the Falkirk Wheel. We might take a visit soon. Maybe some of this lovely sunshine will burn off the bugs, germs and snot from Valium towers.

I am not sure quite how you avoided 'accidentally' waking DH! That is one mega-snooze! Even after a boozy night I am not sure I could ever have slept that long on the sofa.

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Jul-13 12:11:32

Oh! Last paragraph was for izzy

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Jul-13 12:21:53

Other stuff I noticed from yesterday. . .

I am a pretty rubbish woman as well actually. Apart from being in possession of a vagina and a pair of breasticles I am not much cop at some of the other typical girl shiz. My hair is often unbrushed and almost always stuffed in a ponytail. My 'styles' are: high tail, low tail, folded over tail, bun, grabbed in a claw thing. Makeup wise I almost always wear mascara and eyeliner. Always have. Occasionally I foray into foundation and . . . Blusher! Not often. Wedding day for example.

How are you feeling today PR?

How did F get on with your MIL, BP? Did you tell us? Your story with the CM haunted me all say yesterday until we visited our CM.

I remember seeing det, kirrin, fatima, eliza, bry* and luis. <waves>! I know I will have forgotten someone and feel bad. tits and madam. Think I saw you as well

Stacks Sun 07-Jul-13 12:22:33

Someone asked of sleep was any better here. I'm afraid not yet. I've decided I want to be more positive about things since I broke the other day and practically threw a non sleeping DS at a computer playing DH.

I've also decided I'm only going to look after one child in this house, rather than constantly trying to get my DH to grow up. He's great, but can annoy me occasionally moping round the house complaining how tired he is, and how much his back and arms and knees hurt from having DS for any time at all. If I don't try and control it then it shouldn't stress me as much right? Just need to tell DH whenever he's being a dick bit childish.

I hoped dairy and egg free would have an immediate improvement on DS sleeping, but I think teeth or something has taken over. He's very unsettled thrashing his head side to side and waking crying. He's also like a boy possessed with a rabid dog! The way he wrings his toys side to side in his mouth across his gums. No sign of any teeth though.

Chasing glad you've got a flat sorted and a plan, you sound really happy. If you're needing furniture have a look for charities and things in your area. Up here we have The Bethany Shop which is a Christian run charity which focuses on furniture, there's also "fresh start" and "Edinburgh furniture initiative" all for people in a similar position to you.

Stunt it's hard when behaviour is so ingrained into someone they don't really see it. Shouting tends to breed shouting though, and you'll find your kids will copy his behaviour toward you and each other. I have found a temper in me I thought I'd overcome, being tired has really not helped. I've been reading a site called the orange rhino by a mum trying to stop shouting at her kids. She has some great tips for what to do when you feel like shouting, maybe your DH would be amenable to doing some of them?

I feel like I'm not really in a position yet where I should be commenting on all your news as I don't know you as well as you all know each other. I'm impressed by how supportive you all are though. smile

If I were to lurk on Facebook too, how would I find you all?

YellowWellies Sun 07-Jul-13 12:22:45

Bloody hell Stunt sad. What struck me there is he is offended by drying washing? Grow the fuck up - does he think the fairies dry washing or something??? WTAF to be offended by someone doing his washing!!!!

Bloody hell MM! Is his entire family psychotic?! I can't understand why anyone would do that to a tiny baby sad. Did they volunteer to take M or were they asked? Not taking their side but might it have been that they weren't comfortable looking after a baby but didn't want to say no knowing how important your ball was to you (they maybe just thought, how hard can it be?)? Has M spent much time with them before? Just wondering why the hell she went so batshit but they didn't have the fecking sense to call you!!!! I can see if she was just screaming and crying they may not have been able to change her vest or get a bottle in (they don't have kids do they? or clearly much experience!!) but for gods sake they should just have rung you! She's your daughter you wouldn't have minded a bloody call and would have been home in a heartbeat. Oh that makes me so angry for you all. Calling her a little shit shock - unforgivable no matter how stressed they were by her crying. M is adorable. I don't get how someone's first response when a baby is crying is anything other than empathy. Big hug to you. That must have totally spoiled your memories of the ball.

I've yet to leave Jonas with anyone but his Daddy but these stories (yours and BP) are putting me right off. I know I need to at some point but there's only really my sister who he knows well enough and sees regularly enough to not freak out if she were the one to cuddle him in the middle of the night - and she's the only one I'd trust. Actually no, I'd trust my PIL too - they probably wouldn't look after him exactly as I would want but they managed to raise 2 kids and look after their other 2 grandkids so they would at least call if he were upset (not least because FIL can't cope with crying babies). My pal has volunteered this week (she's down from Orkney) but he just doesn't know her well enough and he's right smack bang in the age for separation anxiety so don't want to push it - but I am going to bite the bullet when we go on holiday with DH's family next month - me and him are off out for dinner and drinks at the end of the week by which time he'll be familiar with Grandma and Grandad enough I reckon.

The bad night here turned ok thank goodness, calpol at 12.30 meant he returned to his normal schedule - had a quick feed at 5 and woke for the day at 9. DH let me sleep in until 10.30. Must have been his teeth disturbing him in the early evening? - poor wee chap. Calpol before bed tonight me thinks. We've had bad nights with his teeth every night this week when he hasn't had it (4 nights). Unless the dressed crab at the game fair I had, had dairy in it? Mindst if that were the case calpol would have made it worse not better.....

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Jul-13 12:30:39

I'm tired. I'm angry, very frustrated at not being able to do anything about my problem over the weekend. I have emailed the man that I hope will be able to help me to ask for an appointment. I tried in the email to explain the situation but it got long and whiney. And on paper it was all I don't like her she's a big meanie. I hope I'll be able to explain better face to face. Hopefully.

YellowWellies Sun 07-Jul-13 12:33:47

MM I've just read what Pass said. I bet she's right. I bet your SIL read the instructions and did the classic childless person's 'eyeroll' at mentions of avoiding overtiredness and the importance of routine and just got into playing with her / having fun, and has found out the hard way why you stipulated what they needed to do to care for M so specifically. I bet she then found that it was impossible to change her clothes and get her into her grobag by the time she was overtired and upset and had hoped that she would be asleep before you came home and didn't want to have to call you - and what they would see as 'spoil your evening'. I think Pass's suggestions are very wise but I can see why you might be too upset to countenance them just yet.

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Jul-13 12:36:52

Search for Nov 12 babies stacks. There is a picture of a pregnant lady with a flower on her bump. Don't feel you can't comment - we all started somewhere. Some of us have been together since our BFPs (or before - am I right?) and others joined after the babies were born.

You should defo join the Facebook group as that is where the pics all are and info about meet ups.

Poor wee squidge YW.

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Jul-13 14:12:05

Stunt I don't really know what to say other than it is incredible reading how you are trying to justify your DH's behaviour. He is indeed so lucky to have you and I really hope he realises this. Big squishy hug for you when you come to Fife!

Re SIL. I have two main issues:

1) Her poor care of M. Elements of this can be overlooked.

2) Her attitude. I do not know how much of this can be fixed.

We tidied her apartment then left quietly. DP has emailed her outlining his dismay. I am too angry to speak to her (although secretly proud that I kept a civilised silence last night and this morning while she stropped and slammed doors, the old me would have laid into her) but I think I will write her a letter when the dust has settled. I am stuck between sadness and anger, disappointment really shining through. sad

BUT we had a lovely weekend and I will not let that stupid, incapable witch ruin the wonderful time we otherwise had.

Now watching Murray with a punnet of strawberries out in the garden whilst editing some photos. Will pop a few up later in a month's time, there are thousands

StuntNun Sun 07-Jul-13 14:14:04

Many thanks for the link Stacks, I'll have a look at that. Tbh I think we're going to need counselling of some sort as DH will not consider that his behaviour is inappropriate. But realistically until J is a bit more settled I think it's best to plug on and try and get by. Who knows, maybe it's time for DH to look for a new job that doesn't require so much foreign travel. His work are very inconsiderate of family needs, he has to go to Japan for a month, they wanted it to be six months but fortunately his immediate boss said that wasn't an option for someone with young kids.

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Jul-13 14:15:20

YW we had a week of horrific nights before M's first tooth popped through. Maybe there will be teeths this week grin

Also, and this is the last I will say about it, I am especially annoyed about M being referred to as a 'little shit' as she has been an absolute star this week. She was awake from 4am until 10pm with just an hour sleep in the car on the day of my graduation, passed around about 100 people and smiled the whole day without a whinge. She has swam in the sea, played on swings and been cuddled by strangers this weekend without so much of a whimper. She has also slept amazingly and eaten everything we have given her. I am so proud of how great she has been that last night was just a massive kick in the teeth. I would hate to see how they coped with a difficult baby. angry

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Jul-13 14:26:18

Stunt, yes I have a friend who is a builder who could recommend local experts hopefully.

Pikz Sun 07-Jul-13 14:40:44

MM this just proves why I won't let anyone but DP or my mum have L despite DP wanting me to find a babysitter. I am so sorry. Big hug.

Stunt I am in ore of you. I would not cope like you are if my DP was not supportive. Huge huge hugs.

In this sport obsessed house we have F1 on one tv, Wimbledon on the other and DP and I stood in hall watching both and baby sleeping in car with all doors open as he fell asleep on way back from swimming!

I want to do a lions tour, playing it and watching rugby are my big loves after L and DP.

YellowWellies Sun 07-Jul-13 14:58:30

MM referring to any baby as a little shit shows someone's immaturity - you're being very calm and mature about this. M sounds like she's been a little star after a very hectic weekend. Did she enjoy the sea? I hope she's a water baby - with you two as parents I'm sure she will be.

Did she wake up to them after you'd put her down I wonder and then freak out wondering who are you, where's my Mum, where am I etc? Or did you ask them to put her to sleep for the night (this might have been a bit optimistic if she doesn't see them very often maybe? - especially after such a busy weekend but in which case they should have just said they weren't comfortable with this and you could have put her down and gone later). She sounds like she has been a total star as you say and she really is a very happy wee soul - little shit is totally uncalled for but says more about SIL than M. As others have said she won't remember it.

Ta for the advice re teefs. I hope I don't discover he's got one in a nippy kind of way.... grin there's none visible just yet. He's just gone for an afternoon out with Daddy so I can do some prep work for starting freelance later this month when my maternity allowance ends watch Andy Murray and seems to be in a good mood, it's just for the first few hours after I've put him down on a night that he's in a bit of discomfort. Tonight will be preemptive calpol I think. If he's anything like his Dad he'll not be erm, particularly 'stoic' in the face of illness or pain grin

ChasingDaisy Sun 07-Jul-13 15:30:29

Great game of tennis. Come on Muzza grin

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Jul-13 16:07:27

I am watching it too. I have no idea what's happening though. Every shot is followed by me going "who was that? What's just happened?"

YellowWellies Sun 07-Jul-13 16:23:14

Pass I'm the same. I can't tell which tall skinny bloke with a hat and two white wristbands on is which.... Did they not think of this!!!!

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Jul-13 16:49:38

Ah good djokovic has taken his hat off

YellowWellies Sun 07-Jul-13 17:37:31

Whoop whoop whoop! Jonas bear you better sleep tonight Mummy wants a celebratory wine Well done Andy Murray - thoroughly deserved!

izzybizzybuzzybees Sun 07-Jul-13 18:37:56

Shite night yet a bloody gain

Sunny day, bbq had at mum and dads. Now supping dad's homemade sangria... Yum! Maybe that'll help James sleep!

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Jul-13 18:43:48

Great match, he played wonderfully. And his mum looked so proud. Bless them. tennis

Lily311 Sun 07-Jul-13 18:44:31

I need kyz to summarise.

But let me just say huge hugs stunt and mm. Your SIl is an arse.

All good here, had a lovely day with my parents.

Evilwater Sun 07-Jul-13 18:46:05

Ninja post!!! HELP!
n room is 26c and the fan has been on for 30 mins, and it's not made a difference!

Is it ok to let N sleep in his vest?

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Jul-13 18:48:55

Evil yes. Vest is fine.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Jul-13 18:49:15

Although I would turn the fan off.

Evilwater Sun 07-Jul-13 18:49:35

Thanks VQ I will post when N is asleep.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Jul-13 18:50:20

When I brought DD1 home as a newborn it was around 28 at night. Horrid trying to keep such a wee one cool. Ours are bigger now so not such a worry.

ChasingDaisy Sun 07-Jul-13 18:55:23

I thoroughly enjoyed it.I loved his girlfriends reaction best. A shame that I was watching with a house full of Murray haters though hmm

PetiteRaleuse Sun 07-Jul-13 19:00:15

DD1 has just put herself to bed.

Her own bed.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Jul-13 19:04:16

PR to me that is far far more wonderful than Wimbledon smile

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Jul-13 19:04:46

I prefer bigger balls.

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Jul-13 19:15:02

Hoorah for own bed PR! Brilliant!

We did some splishing in the paddling pool this afternoon in between taking it in turns to check the score.

P's room is 26 oC. She is in a 1.5 tog sleeping bag and a nappy. It's the lightest we have and she needs the bag. She seems ok this far.

We have had a lovely weekend. I feel all comfy in my tummy.

Passmethecrisps Sun 07-Jul-13 19:20:01