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June 2013 Bebes (1)

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Olimoss Mon 01-Jul-13 19:03:42

Including our friends from late May & early July!

Thought time for a postnatal thread.

So. I'm craving a nightly glass of wine already, week
5 of motherhood. Anyone else?!

MrsBri Mon 01-Jul-13 19:14:37

Not yet, but I'm a few weeks behind you!

See how I fare :-)

forgetmenots Mon 01-Jul-13 19:17:16

As I'm mixed feeding I have had a couple of glasses (not in the one night!) but have to say it wasn't that I was missing ... It was all the food! So I've been enjoying shellfish, cheeses, cured meats, runny eggs.... Yum smile

Hawkmoth Mon 01-Jul-13 19:26:22

I had a couple of sips of champagne after the birth. Would have drunk the whole glass but was over excited!

Got another week of antibiotics. Not very well at all, and now my BP is low as well. Will just have to spend more time in bed feeding baby!

forgetmenots Mon 01-Jul-13 19:35:30

Aww hawkmoth sad I'm still on lots of meds for low iron (big blood loss), begged for them to avoid a transfusion and not sure now if it was the right decision. It's taken me weeks to feel human. Really hope you feel better soon flowers

massagegirl Mon 01-Jul-13 19:54:17

I had a bit of bad evening last week and went and had a cry in the garden with a glass of white while my oh bounced the baby!

massagegirl Mon 01-Jul-13 20:01:21

Hope you feel better soon hawk

Steffanoid Mon 01-Jul-13 20:07:03

im not a drink person, even one, since going on the anti depressants nearly 3 years ago now, I got very paranoid about the dont have a drink warning. tbh I dont miss it and I used to really enjoy a drink the one thing I've indulged in is runny egg and I can't wait to have a soft ice cream like a flurry, I dont even miss caffeine although I did learn chocolate contains caffeine!!shock

is anyone else getting totally sick of doing the clexane injections? I've got 4 more weeks to do of them yet, im gonna run out of leg

AmIGoingMad Mon 01-Jul-13 20:12:39

Aw hawk, forget and massage I hope that you're on the mend soon! And you too pink apples!

Am I still allowed on here what with not being post natal yet?!?! Ha! Pre op was fine today. They freak you out with the things they have to warn you about tho don't they?!
I have to get to hospital on weds morning for 8 but I could be at any point during the day then. I'm hoping the fact I'll be 40+8 at that point might push me up the order over other electives?! I can but hope!
The thought of not eating from midnight is worrying me. But not drinking water is even worse- I'm constantly thirsty and guzzling the stuff at the moment!

Oli- please have a glass for me while you're at it!

AmIGoingMad Mon 01-Jul-13 20:13:35

What are clexane injections?!

AlohaMama Mon 01-Jul-13 20:18:50

I have partaken of a glass or two. I would say I've also been enjoying all the 'banned' food but after doing research I excluded very little food when pregnant anyway. Am currently trying to get my fill of poke (hawaiian-style sushi) before we leave.

MrsBri Mon 01-Jul-13 20:29:30

Clexane is an anti clotting drug, AmI. I'm on my last injection tonight. I was meant to have 7, but as I was given too many I'll be having 9.

Steff, it's a bit extreme how many you're having. How come you need them for that long? And I have to have them in my tummy too :-/ DH administers them for me, thank god.

I'm very tearful at the moment. It feels like I'm going a bit mad at times. Ah well, something else to deal with!

Sarah2506 Mon 01-Jul-13 20:38:16

It's weird how things are so different between hospitals. I never got the injections post section, except for two in hospital! I was never very good at excluding food either aloha, so no post pregnant treats here. Are you looking forward to moving back now? I've been to Hawaii a couple of times and can safely say the south coast if England is not the same:-) Go to the Cheesecake Factory in Waikiki before you leave- I've never found anything like it here!

pinkbear82 Mon 01-Jul-13 20:45:52

evening all.
hawk I hope you are better soon and feeling more human.
forgets and massage make sure you are giving yourselves a bit of tlc as and when you can.

I had half a pint of cider the other day... took me forever to drink it and afterwards I wondered why I bothered! used to love cider.

ami - glad today went well. the scary info is so silly - when they were going over the info when I almost had the emergency c section and again when they did the epidural I couldn't help but think just get on with it! So 3 July will welcome your lo - how exciting!

mrsbri - sending hugs. hope tomorrow you feel differently and don't forget we're here to listen to rants, however silly things may sound.

dp ended up having his tooth out so tonight should be a better night and just involve settling the baby.

SunnyL Mon 01-Jul-13 21:03:35

I've had a few glasses of wine but it doesn't seem to be doing it for me anymore. DH poured me one tonight but I took one sip and told him to have it. Bit silly but when I was 40+2 I stood in the drink aisle in the supermarket drooling over all the booze I could soon drink but now I can I don't really want it.

What I do want is sushi and Brie. Not together though.

Loads of people have bought us 0-3months but we have limited stuff for the next age ranges so we're going to use the gift receipts to exchange for the larger sizes where we can. Hopefully that doesn't make us mean as we still love the gifts I'd just like to stretch the nice clothes out a bit longer.

Steffanoid Mon 01-Jul-13 21:07:19

I dont know why I have to take so many now im angry
you should see the bag full of the damn things and the tiny sharps box that fits about 2 of them in it

MadameJ Mon 01-Jul-13 21:59:38

Hello again, things seem to be going well here so far, DD2 is a complete star and bf'ing really well, so well infact she has gained 7oz in 10 days!!!! DD1 seems to be taking everything in.her stride and loves helping with her little sister so at the moment im happy happy happy!

AlohaMama Mon 01-Jul-13 22:02:04

do not envy those of you having to have all those injections. Injections don't really bother me - in moderation - but sounds like you're a human pincushion steff!!

sarah we are working through our bucket list of places to eat out and go to. when the shippers come we'll move out of our house and into a hotel in waikiki for 3 nights. it will either be like a mini-holiday at the end, or more likely, running around like mad things finishing off all the errands. shame you think the south coast is not like here, i was hoping it would be an easy transition...

Steffanoid Mon 01-Jul-13 22:06:11

I wouldn't mind aloha but you should see the bruises I've still got from the 'doctors' who pit tge canulas in and took blood in hospital, my veins dont show up, especially with water retention, it took 2 doctors and a nurse to find a vein in my left arm, they didn't find it funny when I told them I'd be a rubbish drug addict due to the lack of veins, in my defense I was still high off the drug concoction I was on!

AmIGoingMad Mon 01-Jul-13 22:24:47

Ha! I'd love to have seen their faves stef!smile

I also have to say that anywhere named the Cheesecake Factory would get my vote!

Mrsbri don't worry- its the crazy hormones. Take care of yourself too.

It'll be interesting to see if I end up with those injections too. Things seem to vary so much between regions don't they.

Those who had c sections- what did u eat the night before to keep you going til goodness knows what time?! I'm ravenous at the moment and have had to get up to eat in the night a few times in the last wk.

AmIGoingMad Mon 01-Jul-13 22:25:04


Marking place!

My parents brought me a bottle of champagne in the hospital grin along with some crackers and roquefort to eat, too. Ate the crackers, champagne is still in the fridge. I have had a couple of beers though, what with it being nice and sunny for the last few days!

MrsBri Mon 01-Jul-13 23:09:30

AmI, you need more injections if you labour before having a section. DH has just administered my last one. Thank god!

I would eat a shed load of slow release carbs, such as porridge, the night before, AmI. I would be more worried about drinking too as I was SO thirsty towards the end.

We have a bottle of champagne in the fridge too. I don't fancy it yet though. One day!

With regard to being tearful, some of it is general hormones and some is more targeted. Story time!

When we got engaged FiL kicked off at us, slating me and telling Bri he was making a mistake, really going to town and saying he wouldn't come to the wedding. Proper character assassination.

We had all already booked to go to NZ to see DH's brother that Christmas and a truce was called before then. But...I got terribly drunk on shots one night and declared that I thought FiL was a f*** c***! Not to his face, but I apparently caused a total scene, which I don't remember!

Anyway, we were ejected from his brother's house and stayed in a motel for the rest of the trip. I was then shunned and not spoken to after the trip.

None of his family came to the wedding, though they were invited for DH's sake. I was persona non grata.

Until we announced the pregnancy. Since then they've been all nicey nicey and telling me how great I am etc. Which is clearly due to wanting to see Amy when she was born.

So, I was then put in a situation where I had to be nice to the people who refused to speak with me or attend their son's wedding because they decided I was so awful and it was a mistake for DH's sake which I've been pissed off about ever since, but have tried really hard to just get on with it.

So, fast forward to now with a new baby following c section and raging hormones, combined with being 170 miles from my family and I'm a mess.

The fact is, I don't like his family. I think they're a disgrace for not coming to the wedding. I don't want to spend time with them.

They're banging on about wanting to come round and see Amy, telling me to ask if I need anything and offering help. Basically suffocating me with kindness.

I don't feel comfortable breast feeding in front of them so don't want a constant bloody presence. I've coped without them for a year. I don't want them involved now.

So, now I'm torn between what DH wants (his family would live in each other's pockets given the choice) and what I want (for them to leave me alone). Even if I did get on with them, my idea of how much time you spend with your parents is very different to theirs and I couldn't put in the hours they would like.

So...arrrrghhh much?

Sorry it's long, but I'm using this as therapy!

Oh, and I have barely any friends up here either. I feel very alone. :-(

pinkbear82 Tue 02-Jul-13 03:48:06

mrsbri you have my sympathy. out laws are pain at the best of Times. And yours sound slightly similar to mine.

I think be honest with your dp. say his parent's can come around for an hour at x time - but that it's up to him to tell them and stick to it once they are there.
if Amy needs feeding while they are there take her upstairs and if anyone says anything say she needs no distractions to feed properly.

one thing I've learnt since having Violet, you can pretty much get away with whatever you want. everyone's so besotted they are bending over backwards - make the most of that I'm sure in a months time them playing nicely will start to wear off and normal service will be resumed.

if you need someone to listen feel free to pm me or fb me - don't feel alone, and you aren't going any more mad then the rest of us. sending a big hug

massagegirl Tue 02-Jul-13 05:29:09

Mrsbri they sound like a bloody nightmare. Agree take her upstairs to bf, I have done that when I'm not comfortable getting my baps out with certain visitors! It must be hard not knowing people where you are. When you and Amy are ready I'm sure you will meet people at baby and mum groups and classes. Hormones are going to be going mental too so be kind to yourself.
Ps I also think if you do allow them round you shoukd be quite cold, no small talk etc. sounds like they need to grovel their way into your babies life can't just click their fingers and get to be in it. I'm prob the wrong person to give advice I'm sooo stubborn and I never forget! Xx

SunnyL Tue 02-Jul-13 08:05:44

To be fair MrsBri i dont think i'd have needed the vodka shots to call my FIL that if he'd tried to tell my DH not to marry me! You're a bigger person than me to let them back in without an apology.

MrsBri Tue 02-Jul-13 08:22:24

Thank you for reassuring me that I'm not in the wrong here.

I'm trying to be the better person, but I actually really don't want to be. They're only interested in the baby so have to be nice to me so I don't tell them where to go.

I already told DH last night that they're lucky to have access at all.

I'm so pissed off with it all right now. :-/

forgetmenots Tue 02-Jul-13 08:27:03

I have no contact at all with my ILs MrsBri (and sadly for him now neither does DH). Long story that I've put an abbreviated version of on too many threads! But can lend an ear if you need to talk about this. They sound vile.

MrsBri Tue 02-Jul-13 08:54:10

I'd love to achieve that one, forget! Shame DH won't consider moving to where I'm from. I'd love to escape here.

Hawkmoth Tue 02-Jul-13 09:26:22

I'm too ill to have visitors :D

It's the only upside.

ella0 Tue 02-Jul-13 09:34:34

I hope those who aren't feeling great feel better soon.

Sorry to hear what you're going through MrsBri. I'm not confident breastfeeding in front of most people yet (apart from medical professionals!) so I've been going upstairs too.

I don't drink, but I gave up caffeine (apart from that in chocolate!) while pregnant so I'm more excited about being able to have a cup of coffee.

I only had the injections for 5 days post section (I had them on my stomach). I had the midwife come out every day to do them as I didn't like the thought of my DH administering them (he's taken a plaster off me before, and it hurt!). My usual midwife couldn't make it one day and when her replacement did it it really stung afterwards so technique does matter!

I'm glad your pre-op went ok, AmI. Although I wasn't allowed to eat after midnight, I was allowed to drink water up until 6am (I had to go in at the same time). I drink a lot of water too so was worried about it, but I was ok on the day. I was supposed to have my bloods retaken on the day as my platelets were low (which was a risk for the spinal block) but they forgot to do it first thing which delayed my procedure. They put me on a drip to prevent me getting dehydrated while they waited for the results and I felt fine. I can't remember what I ate (possibly a massive pizza!) but I know that I ate up until the last minute! Hope it goes well. Probably not much use now as I'm guessing your section is today (though my pre-op was 3 days before!).

Sarah2506 Tue 02-Jul-13 09:39:11

I'm sorry you feel so rough mrs bri. I don't have quite the same problems with the in laws but I do find them very intrusive and overbearing. DH has five sisters. All wanted to visit immediately, I said no. I didn't want any visitors. Not even his parents. However. The annoying thing for both you and me is that the in laws do exist and one way or another we have to live with them forever. I found that a token emailed photo or five and sucking up a parental visit for an hour bought me peace and quiet thereafter. I played the martyr, because that's what I do, but it wasn't actually that bad. I think that if you can arrange a visit on your terms it's much better than having it forced on you. Then you can enjoy being all passively aggressive and polite so they can't fault you whilst scoring points in your head.

Isolation is tough. Have you had the health visitor round yet? She turned me onto children's centres which have a huge amount of good local stuff. I know you didn't do nct but maybe you could do a postnatal course? They don't cost as much and everyone does it purely to meet people. Also our nct area has a free baby and bump group on a Thursday open to all. Maybe check that out? Lastly I have found that new mums go to cafes on their own and start conversations with others in the same boat. It's a veritable pick up joint, our local Starbucks. Once you are on your feet you will do this too. It won't be long till you have your legs back. Until then chin up:-)

AmIGoingMad Tue 02-Jul-13 10:05:36

I typed a huge post earlier and then lost it all- grrr!

Mrsbri they sound delightful!shock
So sorry you're having to deal with this at a time when you should be able to concentrate on yourself and Amy. If you do go ahead with them seeing her soon maybe try a different strategy. You could go to theirs or meet for a coffee on neutral ground. Bear with me! I know it seems like you're making all the effort at first glance. But- it actually puts you more in control of the length of the visit. You can leave after the agreed hour or so. It's much more difficult in your home to get people to leave. Most friends will understand the yawns and act on them. Your in laws don't sound like the type to take this sledgehammer hint.

I agree with Sarah too about feeling less isolated soon thanks to baby groups etc.

And come here and unload any time at all- we're all very good listeners!

Ella- thanks for that! Elcs tomrw. Am going to load up on carbs today I think and might even set an alarm for 11.30 pm so that I can drink a pint of water before the midnight deadline! Does that sound daft? I'm just hoping she stays put til tomrw now. I've had one or two twinges this morning but nothing too bad so far. Hopefully it's nothing.

Sarah2506 Tue 02-Jul-13 10:20:27

AmI I'd say you are totally fine drinking until a couple of hours before- you need to to take the morning antacid! On the eating front I did think about downing a pizza but then I thought that, in the absence of breakfast to move things along, I would then be having surgery with a massive amount of food in my system. And that might not be fun at the first post section poo. Just saying:-)

forgetmenots Tue 02-Jul-13 10:31:42

Exciting amI smile make sure you have a relaxing day!

Olimoss Tue 02-Jul-13 10:35:20

MrsBri - totally second previous advice about getting in with some local mothers or groups. Our NCT meets every week and, Althing past-life Olimoss wouldn't believe it to hear me say, it's a godsend.

AmI - eat fibre! Eat fibre! Good call on the pint before midnight though. I was allowed to start sipping water bout 3hrs post section and it took all my self control (I do not have very much to begin with) to scarf the whole lot. And if your partner can have nice cool fruit, ready chopped (pineapple
particularly good and refreshing) to munch on, then I also recommend that.

My mum had Joe in her room last night to give me and the boyfriend a good nit's sleep after a couple of dire ones when J was suffering a bit of constipation. I felt AWFUL bout not looking after him during night but clearly not that awful cause I totally took Mum up on her offer! I got a pretty good night's sleep considering i still woke all the time looking for j!

Despite all my concerns re: having her stay so long it's been great. Am going to really miss her. I don't have any family of my own over here in UK so will miss that support (and in-call babysitting!). Am lucky in that boyfriend's parents are actually very cool and incredibly generous, but flip side of that is they ate really no good for babysitting till J is much older. But then they will be older too...hmmmm.

I think I've reached peak boobjuice production as levels have stayed pretty consisten for last couple weeks. That's fine,except J's capacity for milk way outstrips my supply so we are increasingly moving from 50:50 combo fed to 25:75. I feel bad bout it but not much I can do, really. He's only 5 weeks old and although I expressed colostrum and gave it to him, obv with his fistula it was going in, round and out again, and never got near his stomach as there was no pipe to take it there! So he never got colostrum and I know there are immunities and antibodies in breastmilk so had hoped to express for three months. Not sure it's going to be possible now, don't want a sickly baby, specially after his touhg start!

Also now considering need to watch what I eat. Boo. Got to get in swimmers next Tues for baby swim....horrors....

Olimoss Tue 02-Jul-13 10:36:53


Right, I'm offering blanket apologies for this and any future posts full of errors. I'm such a spelling pedant as well. It grates.

MrsBri Tue 02-Jul-13 10:58:37

You're all so lovely :-) It makes me cry every time I read your supportive posts!

I do plan to get involved in baby groups soon, once we've mastered leaving the house, that is. It'll come soon enough.

And the inlaws have seen Amy, they're just desperate to come again and I can't be doing with it.

And his mum texts every day to tell me they're there. I bloody know you are love! You're suffocating me.

Hopefully it'll even out soon and I'll get into a routine which they can fit into :-)

AmI, dried apricots are the way forwards. My first poo was just fine thanks to these.

ella0 Tue 02-Jul-13 11:06:08

It doesn't sound daft AmI, but I'd check about the water as although I couldn't drink anything else after midnight, I was allowed water until 6am (as Sarah says, you need it to take the tablet in the morning!). I didn't have any problems going to the loo afterwards, but then I didn't have any problems during my pregnancy either.

I had a three course meal and drinks within an hour of coming out of my section (as that's when the food happened to come around, I was hungry and they said I could give it a go) and I was fine! A friend who had a section was also fine with food straight afterwards, but my sister was sick just after having some water, so I'd take it slowly!

I'm similar in feeling alone. Neither of us have any family anywhere near (I've always missed them my family as we're close, but now I really miss them sad ), and few close friends. The health visitor has advised me to go to mum and baby groups but I don't feel ready to yet (I'm still nervous about taking the baby out of the house by myself, plus I'm quite shy).

Don't feel bad, Oli, you need to look after yourself too.

ella0 Tue 02-Jul-13 11:10:58

I apologise for my feeling alone paragraph as it doesn't make much sense - I'm tired!

AmIGoingMad Tue 02-Jul-13 11:18:09

I did double check on the water thing and she confirmed nothing after midnight. I have to take one of the tablets before bed and then take the other to the hospital with me to take just before the op- probably so that they can stop me using it as an excuse to guzzle water!

I agree that getting out and about to baby groups is difficult at first. Especially as you're aiming for a specific place and time so its harder than going out for a walk etc. the first time I managed it with DS it turned out that the group was off that week! And it's not easy when you're shy. Getting there early so that people come to sit with you rather than you having to join fixed groups can help. And I always make an effort to talk to someone who looks new and I'm sure others do the same. It's also easy to find a topic in common- your little ones! So just asking someone the age and name of their little one can get the ball rolling.

SunnyL Tue 02-Jul-13 12:44:47

Rant coming. I've clearly pushed my pram through dog shit and have tracked it through the house when I came home. I'm now stuck sat on the sofa feeding bubs looking (and smelling) at ruddy dog shit. What really pees me off is I have a dog and know how flipping cheap and easy it is to clean up after your dog. Now I'm going to have to mop the FRICKING floor. It's not like I've got nothing else to do today.

Aaaand breathe.

Steffanoid Tue 02-Jul-13 13:32:06

on the in law front maybe you could text back saying thanks I'll be sure to let you know when I need you then they can sit and wait for you to text?

MrsBri Tue 02-Jul-13 13:44:00

I've tried that, Steff, but she keeps banging on about coming round to help. :-(

Sunny, dog poo is a huge issue round here. Some weirdos even put it in a bag and then abandon the bag on the floor / tie it to a tree / bush. WTF is that about?! I hate it.

pinkbear82 Tue 02-Jul-13 14:29:14

how frustrating sunny!

violet and I are having a bed day today - just chilling out together and catching up on some sleep.

ami hope the twinges have settled down.

Steffanoid Tue 02-Jul-13 15:32:34

thats a bit rubbish ami, in some ways I think im lucky when it comes to people, because of the depression people tend to leave me alone or just message once and then leave me to it.

just think if your twinges turn into labour that will bump you up in terms of importance to get your c section!

we've just had the health visitor round, im so so happy, Ethan is back to birth weight!!

forgetmenots Tue 02-Jul-13 16:05:37

BRILLIANT news Steff smile just shows what you're doing is working, how great!

That's great advice AmI about baby groups. Thinking of joining my first one next week and felt a bit unsure!

MrsBri Tue 02-Jul-13 16:29:17

That's great news, Steff :-) I think I've got the message across today though, basically saying I don't need them round as I'm fine! Was maybe a touch rude, but I'll blame the hormones! :-)

Just had the midwife round and Amy has put on 2oz since Saturday, which is great. Really encouraging that the breast feeding is working.

And she said that my scar should be nigh on invisible once totally healed as it is doing really well.

And Amy weed on her. Funny!

Sarah2506 Tue 02-Jul-13 18:12:10

Back from hospital after midwife referred us because of suspected jaundice. Doctor took one look and said 'well clearly this child is not jaundiced' which was what I had thought. So that was a waste of time but for the fact she was weighed and has put on 12 oz in 8 days. I'm so impressed! Weight gain really makes the continual nipple pain, hassle, sleep deprivation etc worthwhile, doesn't it?

Good luck everyone braving local baby groups. It is a bit scary. I am extremely bolshy under normal circumstances but found it quite scary. Not sure why. But the reality is everyone loves a new baby so they will be all over you immediately with offers of making tea if they can have a cuddle!

AmIGoingMad Tue 02-Jul-13 18:31:10

Well done on the baby weight gains everyone!

That's a pain about the hospital trip Sarah. Better that she picked something up that wasn't there rather than the other way around I suppose tho.

Well done mrsbri on the in law front!

The twinges have calmed down quite a bit thankfully! I have everything crossed ( apart from my legs which quite frankly are impossible to cross) that it stays that way!

Getting really nervous now too. I'm a bag of emotions at the moment. Nervous about the op, excited about meeting her, guilty for how much DS s world is about to change, desperately hoping that nothing starts before the op tomrw. Aaargh!!!!

AmIGoingMad Tue 02-Jul-13 18:31:34

Sorry! I'm a worrier by nature!

forgetmenots Tue 02-Jul-13 18:43:01

Good luck AmI! Can't wait to hear your news smile

Steffanoid Tue 02-Jul-13 19:05:01

we're in a bit of a conundrum with our local groups, we moved from a to b 5 months ago, im still registered at the docs in a and thats where the hcv comes from incidentally a cow I went to school with! my sister goes to the group in a so I dont really want to go there, I feel I've always lived in her shadow, the hcv is posting me details of the ones in b but who knows how long that could take to get here and I dont know tge town well enough to know where it is, hopefully it will be good though

pinkbear82 Tue 02-Jul-13 19:47:39

ami I'll do the leg crossing for you if you like?! wink best of luck for tomorrow and fingers crossed you're one of the first!

well done mrsbri be firm and I'm sure Dh wants you and Amy happy as his main priority.

just had a try out session with the breast pump and managed 1oz in about 15min. don't know how you ladies manage it! not sure if I'll get bored of it confused

Steffanoid Tue 02-Jul-13 20:16:30

pink thats so food, is that after a feed? after Ethan has fed dp will give him tge bottle and im lucky to get 10ml off in 20 mins!
ami I hope you're eating some good food, it's 2 for Tuesday at dominos wink

Sarah2506 Tue 02-Jul-13 20:21:46

steff are there any children's centres near you? Should be more than just one group to choose from.

pink pumping is easier earlier in the day. I do it just after the morning feed from the other boob:-)

Steffanoid Tue 02-Jul-13 20:46:48

thats the info my hcv is posting out I think theres a sure start centre about half an hour away
I need to take him down to the library as well cause they do rhyme time

tomorrow is my first proper day by myself, today and yesterday my mum came over for lunch , my aim for the day is to walk to the shop which shouldn't be too hard

pinkbear82 Tue 02-Jul-13 21:01:07

That's reassured me a bit. Will try again in the morning and see how it goes. We have a wedding to go to on Saturday and I don't mind feeding in front of strangers but the dress I brought is a halter neck.... Brain wasn't quite in gear obviously, and perhaps having a few bottles of expressed milk to offer would be handy.
Plus would love the late evening feed to be a daddy feed. We'll see!

arlandria666 Tue 02-Jul-13 21:08:52

just caught up on this thread lovely to hear about the little ones coming along smile
mrsbri your inlaws sound horrendous!!
pink that's good going with expressing I remember being in tears after 45 mins and not even having 20ml when I had to cup feed (which doesn't even seem real now!)
think Elliott is having a growth spurt (he will be 6 weeks this Thursday do they have one anytime now?) either way he is feeding like he has never been fed!!

Growth spurt at 6 weeks, arlandria, so yes! We've just come off the back of that one winces at sore nips again

arlandria666 Tue 02-Jul-13 23:49:25

Just when things seem to be settling a growth spurt pops along to remind you just how tough it can be!!
just wanted to check something out, a friend was round today while Elliott was in mammoth feed mode and told me to give him water,I didn't think you gave breast fed babies anything else?

AlohaMama Wed 03-Jul-13 00:56:28

ooh good luck tomorrow AmI

for those expressing, or having supply issues, when I had lack of supply with ds I took fenugreek capsules which really helped. I'd also express after feeding in the morning (apparently morning is when you have most supply!) and kept that milk to try and stimulate extra production. I think at one point I may have adding in an extra pumping session but I think at that stage my low supply was partly because ds fed fairly infrequently. Also ditto what someone said (on the other thread?) about being relaxed, looking at baby, etc etc. And having a very good breast pump.

Had a success today. Went to the beach this morning with toddler and baby and it was good. Met a friend with her baby & toddler which helped as 2 sets of eyes to watch the boys. The hardest part was just the logistics of getting from car to beach with all the paraphernalia and then rounding up the toddlers to get back again. Was a welcome 'break' after a particularly trying morning with ds acting up a lot (ignoring us, in everything, throwing and hitting). Hoping I have sufficiently exhausted him that he'll take an extra long nap this afternoon!!

Steffanoid Wed 03-Jul-13 02:16:37

arlandria, yiu aren't supposed to give them anything other than milk until you wean them, the only exception to this is if they're constipated then a little cool boiled water can help

Olimoss Wed 03-Jul-13 03:11:36

Arlandria - Joe is combi-fed and so can and does have some cooled, boiled water, particularly when he's looking like constipation might be nigh (had a couple of bad nights with it recently).

Also will be offering it to him when weather is hot but I do understand that this is fine for combi- or formula-fed babies in a way it isn't for bf ones.

J has had a persistent mucky left eye since he came home. It clears for a day but always comes back. Tried saline and boobjuice - neither seem to shift it. Ideas?!

Sarah2506 Wed 03-Jul-13 05:22:57

I love my husband. Correctly identifying that I was so tired madness would surely follow he key me sleep from ten till now keeping the small girl going with all the expressed milk in the fridge. Glossing over the fact that I now have no expressed milk back up and will need to pump- which I shall do in front of Wimbledon- I am so grateful. And must have been pretty sodding knackered to sleep through two feeds and a couple of changes. I've sent him to the spare room now as he has work tomorrow. Good lad.

SunnyL Wed 03-Jul-13 06:00:54

It really makes a difference doesnt it Sarah? DH is day off today and did the 3am feed for me. I slept through from 11am til now and feel like a new woman. The only downside is my pj top is soaked through with milk!

AmIGoingMad Wed 03-Jul-13 06:15:03

Thank you for messages- will update when I can!

pinkbear82 Wed 03-Jul-13 08:38:57

right am just sterilizing the equipment and then I'm going to give this expressing lark another go. Tried Violet with the bottle last night to see if she would take it and I don't thing's going to be an issue.

She is however in a bit of a grump this morning and won't be put down without screaming so currently have her in her baby carrier while littering around. we are both up and dressed so I guess that's a good start!

curlyclaz13 Wed 03-Jul-13 08:42:02

Good to hear how everyone is doing. Oscar seems to be doing well was 40g off birth weight at 15 days and hv should weigh him today. Had a feeding frenzy on Sunday which was bloody hard work despite knowing it only lasts a day ! I need to get to a baby group but am being a wuss about going on my own for the first time.
I am sure in laws are sent to try us, not quite as bad as mrs bri's but not that dissimilar mine have tried to pair OH with other women over the years and clearly I'm not good enough until getting pregnant then they are all concerned about me. They keep going on about being involved and have been over more times in the 3 weeks Oscar's been here than the last 6 years we have lived together ! they have also bought things like prams, car seat and crib for their house. as if I would leave him there any time soon ! They have already said a few times about having him so we can go out, err no thanks I choose to have a baby and am going to spend as much time as I can with him not palm him off for a night out any time soon. ( just because they ditched their kids any chance they could) . sorry about the rant can't moan too much to OH about them grin

pinkbear82 Wed 03-Jul-13 08:57:32

ha curly! I have the outlaws offering to have Violet when ever I like 'its only fair they did it for dp other children' - like you I had a baby to be with it and watch them grow. not pass them off asap to let my hair down - I hardly ever went out before having her, I'm even less interested in going out now.

dp said to me the other day -you really love her don't you? ex-wife never looked at the girls that way, they were a bother to her but you can see you love your little girl to bits.

took all my strength not to make some quip back about his delightful ex. I just smiled and said I wouldn't have it any other way.

outlaws and ex's should be part of the getting to know dp process - like before you even start to think you like the man...

MrsBri Wed 03-Jul-13 09:03:04

Curly, your ILs are definitely similar! All this banging on about seeing baby and coming over to help (so they can see baby) drives me mad. I know MiL thinks she will get baby during the day at her house too. Nope! I'm making the most of my maternity leave and need to spend time with my baby as much as possible.

learnermummy Wed 03-Jul-13 09:19:51

Hello all had forgotten this thread was here.
MrsBri your in laws sound delightful hmm.
My in laws moved 4 miles away last week (from 100 miles away). Have opposite problem with them - very hands off and would have to ask for them to help with any of the kids, they never offer! You can't win really.
Everything else good here except the pain from my sodding piles. It was that that kept me awake last night, not Anna hmm.

curlyclaz13 Wed 03-Jul-13 09:20:39

Well they are only little for a while and it's my job to look after him and I love doing it. I think even OH is surprised by how I am with him as I would not call myself maternal ! We are supposed to be going to a village fete with them Saturday and they keep going on about some evening thing and us staying overnight. Not fil (not married ) moans if you get up for a wee in the night so a crying milk monster is not going to go down well.

pinkbear82 Wed 03-Jul-13 09:50:38

learner hope the piles clear up without any further help! I had some banded a while ago and it was agony! They said take paracetamol for the next day but you'll be fine. A week later inward phoning the gp in tears and he prescribed stronger painkillers and said he wasn't surprised and that I should have had something stronger from the start! So be warned - if they offer banding allow at least a week for recovery! and get a holey cushion to sit on

Got about 45ml expressing this time - it's in the fridge now and hopefully will be used as a daddy feed tonight.

learnermummy Wed 03-Jul-13 13:33:22

Sounds delightful pinkbear! Did it take long to recover?

curlyclaz13 Wed 03-Jul-13 13:41:11

learner have you been to the gp about the piles ? I had the same problem and got some prescription stuff that the midwife recommended. it truly is magic bum cream ! I need to remember to keep using lactolose as constipation is really not fun sad .
hv has been and oscar is doing well and is now 4oz over birth weight at 3 weeks she thinks he will be a giant ! 53cm long and has big hands and feet.

Blimey! M got weighed and measured this morning, he's 7 weeks tomorrow nad weighs 5.86 kgs and is 56.5 cms long. The HV claimed he was "nicely in proportion", so that's good. She did his head circumference too, which was bang on average.

Had to take DS1 with me too, who also wanted weighing and measuring (and got a sticker for being good...). For reference, he's 3y5m, 101cms tall and 15.8 kgs grin

DontmindifIdo Wed 03-Jul-13 13:59:49

Ah, I've found you again!

PILs and fully equiped nurseries - yep, mine did that when I had DS. He's stayed over 3 times in his 3.5 years, that includes the night I had DD! It's such a waste of money, but let them do it and smiled nicely. Some people do hand over their DCs at every given opportunity, and some from what I consider to be far too young (how could anyone cope with being parted for a whole night from their DC at this stage? It wouldn't be a nice thing at all.)

Arlandria - if your exclusively breastfeeding and on demand, then you do'nt need to add water in. DD fed every hour on the weekend, I think it was just the heat, I was drinking tonnes of water too so I guess she was thirsty.

Sooo, anyone else trying to stop themselves having unrealistic body recovery plans? DD is 4 weeks old, and I'm annoyed I'm still looking 5 months pregnant. I know it'll be at least another couple of weeks before swelling goes down and I can see what the actual weight gain damage is, but it's still annoying me. I think I was so ill after having DS, I did'nt feel this good and being out and about until he was more like 8 weeks old, by which point I was looking a bit more normal (fat but not swollen if that makes sense), it's giving me an unrealistic view of what I should be looking like.

DontmindifIdo Wed 03-Jul-13 14:01:29

MrsBri - could you manage your MIL by having a date inthe diary for them next to see Amy? So maybe agree with your DP you'll go round on Sunday afternoon and send her a message saying that, it'll at least keep her off your back between now and then....

pinkbear82 Wed 03-Jul-13 14:06:43

rue I love that you had both weighed and measured! only right I'd bubs was getting it done - guess maybe you and hv were lucky you didn't get the same treatment wink

learner I was off work for a week ~ in a job where I sit down all day being able to do so comfortably was quite important.
I'm happy to admit I don't ever do things the easy way so I may be a one off case.

Steffanoid Wed 03-Jul-13 14:17:02

why on my first day properly alone is it I get a pounding headache and Ethan decides to have an awake day with approx 100 nappies and constant feeding? I can't wait till dp finishes work at 4 so I can go for a wee with tge door closed grin

pinkbear82 Wed 03-Jul-13 14:42:50

steff you have my sympathies ~ Violet is very windy today and does not want to be put down. it's amazing what you learn to do one handed!

hawk hope you are feeling a bit better today.

aim I hope you're enjoy snuggles and that everything has gone well.

I'm sure Violet's first words are going to be related to our dog!
no dog, down dog, leave it Dog, and if we're unlucky, bloody dog! poor girl.

Steffanoid Wed 03-Jul-13 14:59:42

pink that seems to be all im saying "alfie stop looking in the Moses basket, alfie leave him, alfie get down" alfie is currently lying on the sofa staring at said Moses basket, he's obsessed

DontmindifIdo Wed 03-Jul-13 15:48:33

pink - you need a sling!

arlandria666 Wed 03-Jul-13 15:48:59

Steff and Pink I am with you both on the dog thing!! Elliott's first word will more than likely be Meg no lol!
Don'tmind haven't given any water my friend was adamant I should I knew I had heard otherwise xx

pinkbear82 Wed 03-Jul-13 16:28:57

don'tmind I was looking at some earlier ~ mind field! I have a carrier thing a friend lent me but she seems very wobbly in it.

dog ladies - it's going to be 'no Marvin' here!! I have put him out the back now after he spent 30 mins chasing a fly around the front room!

MrsBri Wed 03-Jul-13 16:45:47

Very amusing re your dogs!

We've just been out for the first time since coming home. Only a stroll around the block, but I feel good for it.

Dontmind, I think I'll do they with the inlaws, thank you. :-)

curlyclaz13 Wed 03-Jul-13 16:48:02

It's the cat's causing issues here, they use me feeding oscar as an excuse to do things like sit on the dining table or on his play mat then ignore me going no flump, get off idgie !
I have a stretchy sling (hug a bub) and it is great. I think it is the same as a moby ? I bought it off a friend so not 100% on that. Oscar loves being in it and leaves me hands free. Bit scared bending down with him in it even though I know he is secure.

learnermummy Wed 03-Jul-13 16:49:50

Curly I did go to gp yesterday and have suppositories but its actually got more painful since so think may need to go back. Am taking lactulose too but am afraid of going today it's so sore already hmm. Pinkbear I don't like the sound of banding!

pinkbear82 Wed 03-Jul-13 17:12:48

we'll done mrsbri round the block is a good start!

learner after the week it was much better! honest. fingers crossed it won't come to that!!

our cat just carries on as normal! ginger ninja never returned and I wonder what he would have made of it all! but t'other one is very good. she prefers the baby to the dog!!

SunnyL Wed 03-Jul-13 18:05:25

Erm on the size front, Lily was 56cm at birth. On the chart the HV gave us she is over the 100 percentile spot. Weight wise she was 70th oercentile so while she is tall she wont be a heifer. Her feet and hands are also huge though. Reckon she'll have to be a swimmer with this physique. she'll probably tower over me at age 10 as I'm 5ft5.

My pooch is just getting 'sorry Tally' all the time as I can't get out for walks as quickly as we used to, or play fetch with her so easily (baby regularly has a giraffe ceremoniously dumped on her head). Dog does like the swingy chair though - has been giving bubs an extra push or two in it.

rrreow Wed 03-Jul-13 18:42:10

DS1s first word (and only word for nearly a year!) was the name of our cat grin

MrsBri Wed 03-Jul-13 19:23:28

They don't measure babies when they're born here, sadly :-/ Amy isn't short though! She also didn't look like she weighed as much as she did. Deceptively heavy!

Sarah2506 Wed 03-Jul-13 19:59:25

Does anyone find the size of baby clothes really bloody annoying?! 0-3 in one shop is another shops new born and somewhere else's 3-6. And unlike us the babies can hardly try them on first. Grr. Polly has crazy long legs and is busting out of 0-3 already.

Olimoss Wed 03-Jul-13 20:40:33

Sarah - yes, and I have a heap of clothes from Oz as well and there it's all 0000, 000, 00 and 0.....! There are some things Joe isnt going to get to wear, mostly the twee things with 'daddy's boy' and little appliqué animals type logos. Can't bear it! Will be sending them off with the Health Visitor to be donated to vulnerable families through social services.

Speaking of, the HV visited today and and J is now 4.5kg, having put on another 500g in the last ten days. He's eating so much but is somehow still a longish, tidy-looking baby rather thana fatty boombalada. Wonder if/when he will explode!

He's five weeks old today, has been home nearly three weeks. Feels weird that such a short amount of time can also seem like forever. I can definitely see a change in his face and his strength in holding his head up, co-ordination, etc. I'd now like him to begin giving back a little - a smile would be nice!

curlyclaz13 Wed 03-Jul-13 21:31:12

I just had a bath and shaved my legs. I have fresh bed sheets on. smile

learnermummy Wed 03-Jul-13 21:35:39

My dinky little one is still too small for 0-3 clothes! Had to buy some more newborn stuff today!

AmIGoingMad Wed 03-Jul-13 22:08:34

Hello! Not had time to read and catch up yet.
Baby Elodie Grace born today by c section. 8lb 15!
Will update properly when I get the chance.

curlyclaz13 Wed 03-Jul-13 22:12:27

congratulations !

Steffanoid Wed 03-Jul-13 22:15:02

oli well done on the weight gain smile
congrats ami, beautiful name thanks

MrsBri Wed 03-Jul-13 23:26:31

Congrats, AmI. Such a gorgeous name. :-)

ella0 Wed 03-Jul-13 23:34:18

Congratulations AmI. Lovely name (I'd never heard it until a couple of months ago, when someone I know named their baby that). Thanks for your post on baby groups by the way smile .

SunnyL Wed 03-Jul-13 23:51:52

Congrats AmI. Is that all the babies here then?

Ive got a cranky one here. Hasnt poo'd in 24 hours. Also seems to have bad wind too and the only thing that makes her happy is nursing off me which shes been doing for 5 hours getting more and more violent as clearly there is bugger all left in my boobs.

MrsBri Thu 04-Jul-13 00:53:30

Have you got any formula in the house, Sunny? We keep some in for emergencies. That may help settle her. Not sure about the pooing though.

We've realised the chillies in our food doesn't seem to agree with Amy, so hopefully after avoiding them today she'll have fewer exploding follow through farts and wind.

I hope you get baby settled soon, Sunny.

AlohaMama Thu 04-Jul-13 01:14:36

Congratulations AmI, and I love that name!!

curly that sounds like plenty enough achievements for one day!

pinkbear I have a boba G3 and love it. Works well for newborn as they just kind of snuggle down in it. It's quite structured for wearing around the house (probably not a big deal there, but hot here!) but it's all I've used for taking her out so far.

sarah agree on clothes. Call me anal but I ended up taking everything I had, lining it all up in size order and putting into piles in order of size, regardless of what the label said. Can confirm though that the newborn sleepsuit which was all baggy on her when she came home from hospital now looks too small. How can she grow so much already!

Another achievement this morning. Managed 30 minute drive with toddler and babe to other side of the island to meet a friend and go to the beach. Took hours to actually leave the house with all the luggage but it was fine once we were out. Toddler now suitably worn out and napping smile

Withalittlesparkle Thu 04-Jul-13 02:21:55

Finally ready to join the post natal group!!! Can't believe my baby is 4 days old!! Am going to go back and read through the thread while mini sparkle sleeps (soon as I try to sleep he wakes up)

pinkapples Thu 04-Jul-13 02:30:18

Oh my goodness that took me ages to catch up!

Marking my place... Are we all hanging out here now?

Withalittlesparkle Thu 04-Jul-13 02:32:14

Quick question is everyone breast feeding? MiniSparkle has latching issues and just gets frustrated so have turned formula feeding!

Would love some support but I mostly get disapproval and judging!!

pinkbear82 Thu 04-Jul-13 03:37:36

sparkle I think there is a mixture of feeding happening. I'm bf and yesterday for the first time expressed and dp gave the ebm bottle before bed.
At the end of the day you have to do what ever works for you. Bubs is being fed, loved and cared for - that's what is most important, doesn't matter how that happens.

Have you tried expressing and then giving via bottle - don't forget it's early days and your milk might not be in yet that might make a difference. I hear nipple shields can be great too.

I'm sure some of the more experienced mummy's May know more and be more help. But don't feel bad, and you won't get judged here. This whole parenting game comes down to what works best for you and lo - everyone is different. hope I make some sense and haven't gone on too much~lack of sleep tonight may be coming out

aloha I love the fact you can head off to the beach ~ makes me very jealous! obviously won't be the same over here weather Wise, or I would imagine view Wise but are you going to be near a beach? I'd imagine you'll miss having such wonders around you. I'd have to have pictures up to day dream over I think.

ami I might have already congratulated (I hope). HOpe the first night is going well and that you are doing ok.

Sling Wise I have spent some time on eBay and ordered one that's very similar to a Moby one - slight budget issue - if we get on well with this one when it arrives I shall look into getting a proper one.

hope this makes some sense! waffling springs to mind. smile

pinkapples Thu 04-Jul-13 06:16:38

Sparkle I was like you and started off bf now 3 weeks in we are ff at night Theiah seems to settle and stay asleep longer on it and I am expressing 2/3 times a day although not sure whether to just go with formula now but don't want to throw away my expressed 'liquid gold' as they call it grin will see how today goes on the theory if formula at night bm in the day

Steffanoid Thu 04-Jul-13 07:05:02

sparkle, were combination feeding here and so are a couple of others x

Olimoss Thu 04-Jul-13 07:54:48

Sparkle - we are combi feeding too, have been since day 1, EBM and formula. Joe point blank refuses the boob, we've tried literally everything. He latches on really well, takes 4-5 big sucks, comes off and goes all boot-faced, locks his lips together & refuses anything else titty related!

some babies just like bottles better I guess. He's fine in the combi feeding. I'd have to do it even if I was BF as I don't make anywhere near enough milk for him.

Speaking if, what sized meals are your darling bundles taking in, and how often? I am sure J is being OTT as he has between 10-150ml every feed, 8 times a day.

Ami- big congrats!

Olimoss Thu 04-Jul-13 07:55:55

* 100-150ml per feed

Steffanoid Thu 04-Jul-13 08:01:07

oli we're having boob for about 5-10 minutes then between 10-20 ebm then between 80 and. about 110 of aptamil each feed, like you about 8 times a day

SunnyL Thu 04-Jul-13 08:11:34

We're kindo of combi feeding too. Tends to be bottles in the night and boob during the day but we have a bit of a piglet and demand sometimes outstrips supply so we do top up sometimes with formula in the day time too. When it comes to expressing i can have great days where i get 150ml in 20mins and then crap days where it takes me 3-4sessions just to get 100ml. I bought loads of milk storage bags for the freezer but i'm still not making enough to have any left over after little Miss Greedy gets her paws on it.

The best bit about bottle feeding is the milk drunk look on her face she gets at the end. Looks like me after a bottle of wine!

massagegirl Thu 04-Jul-13 08:47:09

Am also combi feeding. 2 x 90ml bottles of formula a day, I just don't express enough and probably never will sad what's great is that oh does her 11pm bottle so I can get some sleep until her next feed which is anywhere between 2-5 am. She is breast fed on demand other than that and at nearly 6 weeks has no real routine to feeding a feeds a lot of the day!

Withalittlesparkle Thu 04-Jul-13 09:03:01

Oh ladies you've made me feel so much better! I'm going to push on with the expressing see if I can get any milky goodness and just be happy in the fact I'm doing my very best for the baby!!

pinkapples Thu 04-Jul-13 09:42:01

Well I think after the morning we've had I'm now switching to formula and just expressing to relieve boob pain as she's just literally thrown the whole 4oz back at me hmmcue change of clothes for everyone and very dissatisfied baby I'm sure it's just not good quality it looks really watery

MrsBri Thu 04-Jul-13 10:07:11

That's not good, pink. I think I'd have cried :-(

We are almost exclusively breast fed with tiny formula top ups when we are tearing our hair out. And last night when DH couldn't wake me to feed Amy! We only ever give enough to tide her over rather than a full serving though.

If we had to we'd give her more though.

pinkbear82 Thu 04-Jul-13 10:11:10

go sparkle

t'other pink don't be so hard on yourself! you've had so much to deal with you are doing fab. And if it helps my expressed milk looks watery too. Same goes for you, you are doing what's best for your LO - and what ever you decide is ok. Bubs is loved and cared for and is being fed. If it works for you then that's the main thing.

this might make you all giggle dp had a slight moan last night that something hadn't been washed yet. I kindly reminded him he knew where the wash basket and machine was he could feel free to put a wash on at any point. Collecting the rest of the washing this morning I'm 99% positive one item of mine made it into the wash but not one item of dp's remains unwashed! hmmm. oh and of course he didn't dry or sort the washing but it's still job done as far as he cares hmm men. Remind me why I was pleased to have him home again

MrsBri Thu 04-Jul-13 10:22:41

Pink, I'm clearly so lucky with my DH as he's really good at doing the washing from start to finish! Plus most other things too :-)

You need to get him trained!

Hawkmoth Thu 04-Jul-13 10:43:26

We're going to decide on topping up today after she's weighed. Although, after she was feeding non-fecking-stop from 2300 to 0330, then screaming again at 0450, I would have quite happily given her a pint of lager in a bottle...

MrsBri Thu 04-Jul-13 10:58:46

We cluster feed in the early hours, Hawkmoth. The best milk comes I'm then, so it's a sensible choice for babies to feed then.

I fed between 12.30-3.00 and then again at 4.15 this morning. We then had 3 hours' sleep. W00t!

And I agree re topping up. If she doesn't put on enough weight I'll have no hesitation to combi feed. Can't be doing with the pressure if they're badgering me about her weight!

pinkbear82 Thu 04-Jul-13 11:00:45

mrsbri I have a man who I'm fairly sure has managed to get his mum to do everything for him! I think that may have included most things when he was with his ex too - she certainly doesn't strike me as a woman who ran around behind him!
He's very good at talking the talk but not walking the walk. I love him really

3 items of mine made it into the wash wink

hawk nooo, I hear whiskey is the thing wink start them on the hard stuff.

Any one else find eBay a danger during night feeds?! I keep buying things all needed but not at 3.30am!!

Hawkmoth Thu 04-Jul-13 11:24:04

Hmm. I'll accept it as normal, but must get a nap in early evening. Although my chest is getting better my reserves are very low and I just feel ILL all the time.

I'm afraid my DH is a bit of a marvel. He's a SAHD so we're both at home, though he does do some evening and weekend call centre work. At the moment, he's making soup and the whole house smells wonderful.

rrreow Thu 04-Jul-13 12:17:27

Congrats AmI! You must be so relieved she's finally here. Love the name, so pretty.

Steffanoid Thu 04-Jul-13 12:21:06

hawk, he sounds very well trained, my oh can make food under strict instructions, granted he can work the washing machine better than me but after a day full of feeding with Ethan yesterday he got home and went to tge toilet for fourty five minutes!

learnermummy Thu 04-Jul-13 13:43:06

Congratulations AmI smile I know a lovely Elodie smile.

curlyclaz13 Thu 04-Jul-13 13:50:52

another week of failing to go to the breastfeeding group, Oscar has been awake since 9 and fed pretty much constantly. just put him in his pran and he has fallen asleep. has anyone got any tips for encouraging them back to sleep after a night feed ? the last few nights he doesn't seem to settle after a feed. hv suggested a top I had been wearing in the crib so it smells of me, tried it last night and it worked when I first put him down but not after.

rrreow Thu 04-Jul-13 14:42:53

Caveat: this is NOT a judgement on formula feeding or topups, but I did a lot of reading about breastfeeding and wanted to share some stuff that might not be common knowledge. So when it comes to breastfeeding/formula-feeding you can make informed decisions that suit your personal circumstances and baby. I also recommend the Breast/Bottlefeeding forum on here, there are some people on there who know lots about this stuff.

You don't actually ever run out of milk. Before a feed, your boobs will feel full and heavy, because milk accumulates during the time you're not feeding. Then when the baby drinks they're 'emptying' your boob, usually drinking with quite big gulps as they drink the foremilk. As your baby feeds your body actually continues to produce milk. After a while the milk slows down to more of a trickle, but this is the good milk. It's the 'hindmilk' that is more fatty and will fill the baby up more than the watery 'foremilk'.

As long as the baby is suckling, your boobs are stimulated to make more milk. It also tells your body about your baby's needs. So if after a feed your baby seems hungry, it doesn't mean you don't have enough milk, have 'run out' or your milk is not filling them up, it just means you should put them back to the breast so they can have more and stimulate your body into making more (as it also has a knock-on effect to the next day). If at the end of a feed you give formula, you're basically taking away the stimulus that tells your body how much milk it needs to make for your baby, which results in lower supply (and can give the impression that your baby needs formula).

I just downloaded an app called iBaby Feed Timer. It's quite helpful to gather some data about your baby's feeding habits (whether they be breastfeeding, expressed milk, formula or mixed feeding) and helps you remember which breast to offer! It also helps you keep track of how long your baby has been on one breast and you can set a minimum time for it before it tells you to switch, which is helpful to make sure your baby is getting to the richer hindmilk. It's definitely showing me some stuff about Z's feeding that I didn't realise. It also has pretty graphs and statistics grin

Ooh rrreow that app sounds good, better than pen and paper anyway!

I was going to post something along the same lines (and we are mix feeding fwiw). BM works on a demand and supply basis rather than supply and demand - ie you won't just produce milk for no reason, there has to be a demand for it before your body knows it's needed. And if there's a demand, then your body will keep supplying it (although not always fast enough to suit baby, which is where the frustration, beating with fists etc comes in!).

It's also why growth spurts work/happen, or so I was told - baby is bigger or making a developmental leap and needs more milk to fuel it but your body is used to producing just the right amount for the old them. Cue a day or two (or week or two for the 16 week growth spurt!) of fairly relentless demands for feeding, which triggers your body to produce more/more quickly, which then satisfies baby so they stop demanding so often.

rrreow Thu 04-Jul-13 16:11:05

Wow that app is impressive. It has a function where it can tell you when the next feed is 'due' (I demand feed but still, it's helpful to know at least an indicator) based on your baby's average feeding habits. Z is sleeping and my boobs just got a spontaneous letdown, so I thought I'd check the app to see when it thought the next feed should be, and it's in 2 minutes time! So my boobs and the app are perfectly in sync grin

MrsBri Thu 04-Jul-13 16:15:55

That's quite interesting. I'll look at that app as we're recording on scraps of paper at the moment!

We've only ever used top up when I'm at my wits' end if she's not latching and is fractious and hungry as breast feeding isn't meant to break either of us mentally! And I only ever use a small amount to give me a short break before trying again.

Thankfully she's latching better now so it isn't needed too much.

I watch the speed of the gulp for knowing which milk is being drunk as slower gulping is the hind milk. For us that's also very bloody loud too! :-)

But I think that people need to do what works for them as it really isn't the easiest thing to do / get used to.

forgetmenots Thu 04-Jul-13 17:24:04

Good info on combifeeding (I'm doing this too). There are many reasons why mums end up doing this but it's good to debunk some of the myths!

Huge congrats AmI! Beautiful name, glad she is here at last!

Thanks for the app tip rreow

DontmindifIdo Thu 04-Jul-13 18:24:00

Congrats AmI! Lovely name.

Also combi feeding here, but not doing top ups, more doing 3 bottles full, and then bfing the rest of the time. I think I'll give up bfing soon, not sure I'll get past 6 weeks, I'm finding it hard going and not actually liking it this time round.

MrsBri Thu 04-Jul-13 19:49:20

Goodness, Amy won't stop eating tonight. My poor nipples can't take it!

I'm not sure how long I'll breast feed for. I'll see how it goes. My intention was to last 6 months, but we shall see.

Sarah2506 Thu 04-Jul-13 20:07:22

It's so hard isn't it. Polly has fed almost non stop all day. I put this down to the heat. We need to drink more and so of course so does she. It's going to hit thirty degrees next week. I cannot imagine quite how much of a battering we will all be taking then!

I went to a baby group today. Lots of people were saying how much they were enjoying it and how fulfilled and blessed they felt. I bravely said that actually, whilst the Small Girl is lovely and I wouldn't be without her, maternity leave is pretty boring, exhausting and repetitive and breast feeding is a hassle and I hated being chained to the sofa constantly feeding her. I immediately regretted being honest but then others started saying 'actually I feel like that too but it's just not the done thing to admit it'. I was so relieved. I thought it was only me that felt this way at times.

learnermummy Thu 04-Jul-13 20:07:43

Thanks for the tip rrreow, will look for that app now. Am totally demand feeding but would be nice to see her patterns!

curlyclaz13 Thu 04-Jul-13 20:31:21

sarah I feel the same, I have fed nearly all day and if not feeding he is niggling. it is hard and boring a lot of the time and then it gets to oh getting home and you realise you have done nothing all day, thankfully he realised I am not just being lazy after 5 minutes of a moany baby ! I am dreading it getting hotter.

DontmindifIdo Thu 04-Jul-13 21:07:24

I know what you mean about the constaint feeding and the sore nips - i've given DD a bottle at 7 and she's now fast asleep, but she'd been pretty much constaintly feeding from 2- 6. Can I just say, I feel I'm properly a mum of 2 now- today, while DD was doing her mamouth afternoon feed, I built a brio train track with 4 interconnecting loops that covered our dining room floor, including a raised track section, and then recreated "Blue Mountain Mystery" (Thomas the Tank Engine film for those who don't have a toddler - I was "devious desiel") - all whilst DD was latched on. Yep, I've got this motherhood thing nailed wink just no one look at the state of my kitchen or the overflowing laundry basket

I think that when the weather is hot, we'll just have to keep feeding and feeding - while I don't think I'm going to last long bfing - I think while it's hot it's easier to be able to just feed and feed and keep them hydrated.

SunnyL Thu 04-Jul-13 22:52:05

I hear you ladies on the constantly feeding thing. Baby was sooo well behaved during the day i thought i had the wrong baby. Fast forward to this evening though and shes been on since 7.30. Right nip is v sore cos she keeps trying to head bang when still attached. Ouchy! Tried a bottle of boob milk but she was having none of it.

Got a coffee morning with my neighbours tomorrow. Quite excited to have been invited - i wasnt invited before when i.wasnt.a.mummy. Now i'm one of the chosen ones!

Hawkmoth Thu 04-Jul-13 23:15:48

Baby has only lost a tiny amount of weight but MW suggested top ups. Thinks my chest infection and illness has delayed my milk coming in. Think she might be right as last night was the first time I leaked from the non-feeding boob.

Anyway, baby will only take an ounce of formula after feeds so far, and that's not bloody easy. Just need her to turn her weight round, which I'm sure she will as I recover.

MrsBri Fri 05-Jul-13 01:06:38

Oh god, Sunny, Amy keeps pulling her head up and to one side while she still has my nipple in her mouth! Arrgghh!

I just let Amy sleep so her feed was 4 hours after the last one so I could get a nap. Decided she wasn't going up go hungry!

I've just sent DH to bed while I feed on the nursing chair downstairs. Thank god we have another coming for the bedroom tomorrow as feeding in bed is very uncomfortable.

Dontmind, that's awesome how much you've done while baby is attached. :-)

BumbleBee2011 Fri 05-Jul-13 01:14:43

Marking my place/catching up.

Rreow thanks for the app tip, might have a look into that...though bfing is really different this time around, I could've used something like that last time with DD1 (she was ebf til 20 mo, but it was touch and go at the beginning. Slow to put on weight, not settling between feeds, sore nipples and an episode of thrush). I'm glad we persevered but it was really only at 4 mo that I felt things were finally settling down.

This time Millie is a really "strong feeder" as DH says, she just gets on with it, takes very little time in comparison, hardly sicks up afterwards, no sore nipples, no counting down the clock like last time, I even seem to have skipped the engorged bit at the end of the first week. And the 2 times she's been weighed she's bang on where she should be - the whole thing is so much more relaxed, I feel very lucky.

She has a mild case of jaundice (which I'm hoping the sun next week will sort out), otherwise nothing to report, quite dull really as everything is going super smile Even DD1's terrible 2s seems to have mellowed, she's loving having a little sister (at least for now). Enjoying the sport on TV atm (especially while bfing, good excuse to stay put), really well-timed as far as mat/pat leave goes!

pinkbear82 Fri 05-Jul-13 07:50:56

I think I might try and sell dp and dsd's - thank goodNess work/school is happening today. And don't even get me started on the ew!

Had about 2 hours sleep and it wasn't due to the 4 wk old in the house.

Today is going to be a loooong day - considering hiding at my parents house until the dsd's have gone Home tonight.

pinkapples Fri 05-Jul-13 08:02:00

Oh no that sounds awful pinkbear defo hide if you can I find that helps hehe

Hubby is off today so he's got up changed Theiah's nappy and taken her out in the sling to walk the dogs so that I can get dressed in peace grin

pinkapples Fri 05-Jul-13 12:10:04

Theiah's having a day with her daddy today so I'm off to have my nails done grin feels weird without baby

pinkbear82 Fri 05-Jul-13 12:28:28

Sounds fab pink enjoy!!

Violet has been quite cryey the last few days. A real screamy cry, I've been using infacol, she's feeding we'll and nappies etc are fine - she won't settle for ages and its heartbreaking when she goes for it.

Hope everyone's enjoying the sun!

AmIGoingMad Fri 05-Jul-13 13:03:51

Hello all! I've caught up on bits and pieces but taking a while so bear with me!
Here's my birth update:

Well we went in ready for section. All nervous but geared up for it and at that point I knew it was the right thing for us after the awful first labour and birth. They then took me over to labour ward, and decided to scan me just before going over to theatre. And she'd turned back from breech so consultant decided that the c section could not take place and I'd be sent home to see what happened confused! I had a meltdown and explained in no uncertain terms ( whilst in tears and hyperventilating ) that I would be going nowhere until the section was done. I know its major surgery and like to think that I'm educated enough to make an informed decision. To have everything change at the last minute was too much- especially as they'd decided not to scan to check when is asked them the week before! The consultant agreed in the end and off we went to theatre. Elodie was born and I was told that it was very likely that I'd have ended up there for emcs given her size and my previous birth. The whole section was a very positive and calm experience ( apart from the arguments beforehand) and I'm so glad that I stuck to my guns ( not something I'm usually very good at). Elodie is fantastic and our first night in hospital was lovely! Apart from the poor sleep obviously. But I felt so much more human compared to DSs birth. Breastfeeding was the only downside to be honest. I felt so good in every other way but was feeling rubbish about bring so bad at it again. I know I could have worked on it and I have massive respect for you all for doing that but I decided not to torture myself and Elodie as I had last time. Switched to formula yesterday and know its the right decision for me and our family. We were then discharged yesterday and got home in the evening although no dr came to check on me. Just had mw care and mw discharge! Pares checked Elodie tho. She is doing great! Our DS is coping well ( so far). I feel a little like I've been in a car crash in between painkillers but still remarkably better than I felt after 'natural' birth last time!

Sorry for such a long update post- I think it's been therapy for me!

forgetmenots Fri 05-Jul-13 13:28:21

AmI - it sounds like you have been the very best kind of tiger mum! You fought and made decisions about birth and feeding that will only be to Elodie's benefit. Huge respect, delighted you are doing better this time! My 'natural' (ha, ha) birth involve induction, then epidural and forceps, with my body going into trauma mode after. And my feeding was still is a mess. Don't let anyone tell you you didn't do the right thing! flowers

ella0 Fri 05-Jul-13 14:07:17

I need that app, I'm currently using scraps of paper too.

Sarah, I agree re the breastfeeding. It's usually not too bad during the day, but in the late afternoon, evening and night feeding can be almost constant. I hate being chained to the sofa or bed in a particular position. My husband gives baby one bottle during the night to give me a break.

MrsBri, which nursing chairs have you bought? I think I need one.

My nipples haven't been sore while breastfeeding (I've been told they shouldn't be if the latch is right, as your nipple should be at the back of their mouth, near the soft part) but when baby has finished feeding she very occasionally pulls back a bit so she's just on the nipple and starts (what feels like) chewing - if that's what it's called with gums rather than teeth! For comfort I assume. It's really hard getting her off too, she has a really tight grip - ouch!

Oh gosh, AmI, it must have been so stressful finding out she'd turned (very unusual and therefore unexpected at such a late stage!). Good on you for sticking to your guns; I bet you were so relieved when they agreed to go ahead with it. I'm glad you had a good experience and that you're both doing well smile . I don't blame you for not torturing yourself with the feeding; you've got to do what's best for you.

learnermummy Fri 05-Jul-13 14:23:36

What a nightmare AmI! Glad it all worked out for you Jan the end.

MrsBri have you tried lying down to feed in bed? I wouldn't do it any other way, but them I am very lazy!!

That app is great by the way rrreow, nice to start to see her feeding pattern. She's 10 days old and already put on 6 oz so am v lucky that my milk must be good stuff smile.

Just getting the paddling pool out here. Enjoy the sunshine everyone x

Steffanoid Fri 05-Jul-13 14:43:44

well done ami for sticking to your guns, can't believe they decided to scan you after tgey wouldn't last week, silly people!

rrreow Fri 05-Jul-13 14:52:53

Just went to a mums & baby meet up, now sitting in the station with baby in sling listening to a man play the piano! Feeling quite positive despite ongoing sleep deprivation.

BumbleBee2011 Fri 05-Jul-13 16:27:11

Wow AmI, well done for sticking to your guns, I would've been raging after they wouldn't scan you before (!!) Sounds like everything is/was under control doing it your way, sometimes that's the best thing you can do by your existing family, so definitely the right call there.

Ella0, DD1 used to do the end of feed chewing thing with me, when she was about 4 weeks old I caved and we got one of those orthodontic dummies - she immediately settled down (as did my nipples). Not my proudest parenting moment but who knows, we might not have carried on BFing without that little bit of respite. Plus she was starting to suck her fingers, which was a red flag for me (my sisters and I all sucked our fingers til quite late, I think at least you can take a dummy off a child for things like school!) I think she even settled into a healthier feeding pattern as opposed to the constant snacking taking place before. Once she'd fallen asleep I'd take the dummy out so she would still wake up to feed.

It's been just me and Millie today, DH has taken DD1 to York Railway Museum with FIL. MW has just been and discharged me, Millie's gaining weight nicely and her jaundice has cleared already so yay!

Hope you're all enjoying the sun, I'm enjoying the tennis on TV...tomorrow we're tackling the jungle that is our garden, so we can make the most of it next week!

curlyclaz13 Fri 05-Jul-13 16:45:53

What are you dressing your little ones in in this heat ? at home Oscar is pretty much just in a short sleeved vest but I put a sleepsuit on him to go out earlier but I am not sure if this is too much ? I have bought a couple of 'short' sleepsuits today for the weekend and if the weather continues !

learnermummy Fri 05-Jul-13 16:55:48

At the moment Anna is sleeping in the pram in the garden wearing just a short sleeved vest. I did add a pair of trousers when we went out earlier. It's so hard to know how much they need to be wearing isn't it.

Steffanoid Fri 05-Jul-13 17:19:04

Ethan protested to being in a short sleeve vest and socks earlier, wouldn't settle till he had his long sleeve suit back on, think he likes being toasty like me!

pinkapples Fri 05-Jul-13 17:19:37

Curly I was just wondering that grin

Theiah's been asleep in a vest today sleep suit with no vest for bed and then we dress her in tshirt and trousers for going out so that she's covered up bought her a hat today from tesco to cover her head as all she had is knitted ones but it is so warm I haven't got a clue what's to much or not enough

ella0 Fri 05-Jul-13 17:33:22

Thanks bumblebee, I'm very tempted to try an orthodontic dummy now as she is a constant snacker at times, and does try to suck her fingers sometimes (very true about being able to take a dummy off them). Anything to get her into a healthier feeding pattern!

Flippin autocorrect tried to change snacker to snicker and then slacker!

curlyclaz13 Fri 05-Jul-13 18:05:05

I am failing at finding a sun hat for him I have jersey ones but they seem warm. I want a cotton one with a brim particularly if he is in the sling. anyone seen any ?

Steffanoid Fri 05-Jul-13 19:06:16

I got one from Sainsburys curly, saw some in mothercare too im sure

webminx Fri 05-Jul-13 19:18:20

Hello, can I join? DS2 was due 23rd June but just arrived today. He won't latch on and has done nothing but sleep since he was born at lunchtime today. I've tried naked tummy time on me, sleeping on me, trying to express the colostrum into his mouth etc. but it's not working! I've even dribbled some drops of formula (from one of those readymade bottles) into his mouth but he's spat it out and gone back to sleep. MW seems pretty relaxed about it, but I can't relax and take a much needed sleep (quite a long labour!) until I've at least got a couple of drops of food into him! What should I do? Any advice? Sleep and try again when he wakes up or try to wake him up and drip some expressed colostrum into him again? I can only get 3-4 drops at a time! He's still bringing up mucous from birth too, which doesn't help...
I FF DS1 so this is all new to me! Any help welcome!

learnermummy Fri 05-Jul-13 19:43:01

Welcome webminx smile and congratulations.
I wouldn't worry too much yet. My first was like that and his labour was long. Jaundice made him very sleepy and uninterested too. Have yourself a sleep and try again later.

DontmindifIdo Fri 05-Jul-13 19:50:24

Ella - DD also does what we have named "the dramatic finish" (ie "lets see how far mummy's nipple will stretch" - ouch"!) so far I've not found a solution. She's also clamping down and hurting quite badly at the start.

Webminx - I had similar problems with DS, skin to skin is great. No better advice (ended up having to express for a few days), can you post on the breast feeding board? Some v good advice on there.

Steffanoid Fri 05-Jul-13 20:13:14

webminx hi and congrats, if the mw isn't bothered I wouldn't either, he's been through the labour too and is tired like you, get a couple of hours if you can stop staring at him for that long and try again later smile

pinkapples Fri 05-Jul-13 21:19:16

Welcome webminx don't panic Theiah was born and slept she didn't eat till midnight and was born at 3.32 grin I wouldn't panic x

webminx Fri 05-Jul-13 21:30:03

Thanks all - have sterilized the electric pump and will express some more colostrum and syringe that in later. Have also given a teaspoon of formula and he's gone back to sleep. Phoned labour ward also and they had very similar suggestions so not going to stress out. Going to grab the chance of a nap as suggested! :-)

MrsBri Fri 05-Jul-13 22:10:26

Evening...bad day here in that Amy has been sleepy and uninterested during feeding and has had loads less today than the last few days. :-/ Dreading her weigh in tomorrow.

And I'm struggling with constantly feeding her too. On a 3 hour feeding schedule I'm only getting 90 minutes to myself due to how long she feeds for. I've just let her go 4 hours as I was asleep which isn't great for getting food into her.

The thought of another night like last night where she didn't sleep til gone 5 just fills me with dread.

But anyway! Ella, our first chair is a Baby Weavers from Kiddicare and the new one is from eBay. Not sure which but came to about 114 quid with postage.

Learner, yes, I've tried lying down feeding and I'm not keen on it. It wouldn't work at home due to our duvet also.

Steffanoid Fri 05-Jul-13 22:23:37

I take back my pp about Ethan wearing loads, he's spent the past hour in just nappy, he was crying and felt warm in just the vest, took his temp which was 37 under his armpit, cue me spotting imaginary rashes, he's eating loads this evening and being quite an awake little boy

MrsBri Fri 05-Jul-13 22:33:29

We can't be as hot up here as a lot of you seem to be. Maybe because we're coastal?

It's still only 19 degrees in our house so no overheating.

rrreow Fri 05-Jul-13 22:48:10

It's 26 degrees in our bedroom currently! Got the fan on.

MrsBri, I think a sleepy day after a hungry day is normal. Z fed like mad on day 10, then slept a lot on day11. I totally hear you about dreading the nights. I'm currently averaging around 5-6 hours a night spread over 4 stretches. Slowly going insane...

curlyclaz13 Fri 05-Jul-13 23:10:24

24 degrees here, Oscar is in a 0.5 tog sleep bag for the first time tonight so I hope he sleeps in it. I think we will be buying a fan pretty soon. I would agree with sleepy day after hungry day.

MrsBri Fri 05-Jul-13 23:19:27

That's good to know. Hopefully it's just that then. We've had two very hungry days, so would make sense.

I get about 3.5 hours' sleep in one hit at night then nap for about 1.5 hours late evening to see me through the night. I totally understand your insanity, rrreow.

arlandria666 Fri 05-Jul-13 23:57:30

Elliott has been feeding so much lately I am hoping its a 6 week growth spurt and not just due to the heat a heatwave is surely going to dry me out!! I have just put him down he has been feeding on and off (more on!!) since 6 o'clock I am hoping he will sleep for at least 3 hours but he is still stirring now so I am not hopeful sad

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 04:19:53

Hmmm...we have one of those womb noise things now and Amy managed to settle in her bed nest when I put her in it, which she hasn't been doing. So I've just has 3 hours' sleep.

When she's changed I'll do another feed and see what happens. We will have only done 8 feeds in 24 hours though, which is loads less than normal and only just hitting the minimum requirement. :-/

See what she's like today, I suppose. Though if I use figures between midnight - midnight it's different. Maybe I'll do that and hope today is better. :-)

AmIGoingMad Sat 06-Jul-13 06:16:13

Thanks foe the supportive messages on my update. smile

it doesn't seem as warm here either. Although having not left the house yet I could well just be wrong as our house tends to stay cool when it's warm out.

Little miss has been far less settled in the night than last night. But she's just fed and seems pretty content at the moment. She's doing what DS did tho and guzzling her milk only to end up making herself sick as she's had too much- probably common with formula I suppose. We're trying to sort it by rationing her during the feed so that she's digesting little bits at a time. She's not happy about that tho !

Feel like a bad mummy this morning. I just had to try to cut some of her nails as they are beyond scarily long. I clipped a little too far with one. She's fine and hardly reacted. I'm the one that was in tears.

Steffanoid Sat 06-Jul-13 06:36:49

ami we have to have burping pauses with Ethan else he ends up covering dp with sick grin

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 07:33:26

Awww, AmI :-( I need to do Amy's nails too. We're just keeping scratch mitts on for now.

I forgot to respond to your update, sorry. I'm glad you stick to your guns. They can't muck you about like that. It's not fair. At least the consultant saw sense.

And our house stays cool too. It was 20.8 in our room overnight. Not so bad.

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 08:07:35

Oh, Ella, my eBay chair is much nicer than my other one.

It's a Serenity chair sold by Proqom on eBay. Ordered Weds, came yesterday. It's very comfy.

AlohaMama Sat 06-Jul-13 08:40:22

Joining you all on the recent mammoth feeding frenzies. Had friends round to dinner and a baby pretty much attached to the boob for about three hours. Ouchie. I'm guessing it might be weather related here too as today was a hot one. 30 ish and only light breeze. Hoping the feeding marathon means a long sleep now? she says hopefully

AmI well done you for sticking to your guns though sounds very frustrating that you were denies a scan before. You must have been all over the place mentally. Hope you're feeling OK and can just concentrate on your little one.

learnermummy Sat 06-Jul-13 08:55:22

MrsBri are you sure Amy is feeding for the full 90 mins and not just comfort sucking at the end? Anna feeds for about 10 mins on one side, I'll then change her nappy to wake her up and then swap her to the other side for another 10 mins. She only goes 2 hourly in the day though generally. Glad your new chair is good. I know lying down isn't for everyone. Luckily don't need to worry about this duvet in this weather!

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 09:39:07

She is feeding, yes. Or her jaw is going like she is!

She's a big baby so eats well :-)

I sometimes get comfort sucking, but thankfully not too often.

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 09:54:26

Oh, and she's glugging too so definitely eating!

And 90 mins is 3 boobs as it's generally 30 mins per boob, then she takes herself off.

SunnyL Sat 06-Jul-13 09:57:08

I just did a whole night by myself and baby behaved!! Yay. DH was on night shift and after last weekends disaster I was worried it would all go Pete Tong but it went ok apart from the fact she hasn't been back to sleep since 7.30 (she normally sleeps on DHs chest then) so I've not had breakfast but I can afford to miss a few meals in return for a quiet life.

SunnyL Sat 06-Jul-13 09:59:07

MrsBri what are the minimum feeding requirements you are following? We're just feeding on demand and I gave up on that app after 2 days so no idea how many feeds she is doing. She did put on over 200g in a week so clearly isn't starving.

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 10:12:20

On demand too really, to an extent, but at least every 3 hours during the day and every 4 at night if we are having to wake her.

We get weighed again today, so will see how we're doing.

learnermummy Sat 06-Jul-13 10:13:52

Anna does 2 to 3 hourly during day with 20 min feed each time, then cluster feeds from 7 to 9 ish. At night she goes about 3.5 hrs but only feeds for 10/15 mins then straight back to sleep. Suppose she might go longer at night if I made the effort to convince her to have the other boob but I'm too tired and lazy!

learnermummy Sat 06-Jul-13 10:15:37

Is your midwife still visiting MrsBri? Mine only weighed her once at 6 days and then health visitor weighed yesterday at 10 days. Not getting weighed again til 6 weeks now.

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 10:32:28

Anna is clearly an efficient feeder! Amy is still glugging away at 10-15 minutes!

And yes, the midwife is still visiting. I think because I had a CS, but I'm not sure! Or maybe because we aren't back up to birth weight yet. Who knows?!

Every area does things differently anyway, so can't compare to anywhere else!

BumbleBee2011 Sat 06-Jul-13 11:07:54

Just had our first really good night, after feeding non stop yesterday Millie slept from 11pm til 3:30, then woke again at 6:30, then 8:30 - and because of her busy day out yesterday her big sister also slept in til then!

Only downside is my boobs were full to bursting by 8:30 as she only takes one side per feed, so I've now got the pump/steriliser/bottles out - got 150ml within 20 minutes, so first deposit has now been made into our milk bank smile Brings back memories of sitting in my friend's office expressing during lunchtime at work.

Hoping today is a sleepy day, then I can help DH out with the gardening.

Morning (just!) all grin

M is currently sleeping, has been since just gone 9am, so have spent the morning getting the paddling pool out and filled for the big two, who are now running naked around the garden. Fun times!

And I've managed to do a fair amount in the house, so am feeling pleasantly productive, hurrah. Need M to wake up fairly soon though, else I (or my boobs at least) might explode.

MrsBri - we weren't discharged till M was 3ish weeks old, because he wasn't back to birth weight. He got weighed every 3 or 4 days for the duration hmm it was a complete pain.

AmI - congrats, and good for you for managing to stick to the original plan and not being sent home!

Re BFing - M is having snacks/drinks rather than full feeds mostly at the mo. Which is a bit of a pain as I never feel he's fed properly, but then I lose my appetite when it's hot too, so maybe it's normal. He fed 15 times yesterday for no longer than 15 minutes max but normally 6-8 mins (according to that app!).

rrreow Sat 06-Jul-13 12:14:27

Definitely also noticing the snacking/feeding for thirst trend too. Small feeds as often as hourly sometimes!!

I'll be on my own with both DC today from early afternoon onwards. DH is working till midnight. I'm sure I'll survive but am a bit apprehensive!

Was thinking of taking them out as there is a square fair near here. But what do you do when you're out & about and the baby needs feeding? Keeping in mind that DS1 is 26mo and I can't really tell him to stay put somewhere, he'd just wander off. Would love to go though, this weather is too good to stay inside! Any advice?

curlyclaz13 Sat 06-Jul-13 13:03:03

lots of drinking going on here, not a lot of sleeping though. We are going to the poxy fete in a bit so I am going to try to feed him to sleep and cross my fingers he will sleep in the car on the way there and stay asleep in the pram when we get there. I have no chance do I ? !

AlohaMama Sat 06-Jul-13 13:10:37

Rrreow I found that taking did in the carrier means she'll usually stay asleep most times we've been out. I've bf her a couple of times at the playground which has worked OK as ds (also 26 no) will at least stay in the vicinity and I can walk around while bf just enough to follow ds around. For longer expeditions my plan is to always take the pushchair so I can strap ds in if necessary and keep him amused with books and snacks. Mainly snacks. Fortunately Evie is a pretty quick feeder, usually less than 12 mins or so, so hopefully ds will stay put.

curlyclaz13 Sat 06-Jul-13 13:13:16

Didn't quite finish that post as someone wanted boob ! I haven't fed in public yet and OH just said we won't be able to park close so I can't sit in the car to feed.

learnermummy Sat 06-Jul-13 13:27:33

Yes think Anna is quite efficient feeder. Also she never lost any birth weight so must be why we hardly saw midwives.

Feeding in shade at a carnival currently, luckily OH here too with other kids, although I could trust my 4 year old not to wander. I'm using an apron style feeding cover I bought on eBay for £7 and its fab!

BumbleBee2011 Sat 06-Jul-13 14:27:48

Haha Aloha I was going to suggest good to keep a 26mo "entertained" whole feeding a baby - our eldest is obsessed with babybels though admittedly she gobbles most things up quite quickly.

Curly I used to practice "public feeding" at home iyswim, using a cover or feeding top in my front room first so that I didn't panic once out and about. I'd say by the time you've used something twice at home you're unlikely to get caught out by straps/things getting stuck etc, even if you're a bit flustered. It does feel like an achievement the first time you feed in public, and before you know it you won't be giving it a second thought. Makes life a lot easier being able to feed literally anywhere.

BumbleBee2011 Sat 06-Jul-13 14:28:22

That was supposed to be "food" to entertain toddlers...

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 15:50:18

So...still no weight gain. I think I'll switch to formula now as I can't be doing with the stress of trying to feed Amy enough to gain weight. Amy needs a relaxed mum as well as food.

Just need to work out what we need to buy and how often.

Steffanoid Sat 06-Jul-13 16:22:17

we got through a box of 1st aptamil in a week Mrs bri
tgey had a tommee tippee microwave sterilizer for 13.50 in Tesco I think it was, hth

forgetmenots Sat 06-Jul-13 16:30:57

MrsBri - I'm using aptamil as I'm combifeeding, could this be a happy medium for you?

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 16:31:41

Thanks, Steff :-)

Thankfully I bought a steriliser while pregnant, and some bottles. We have cartons of formula I bought for emergencies, which we have started on, so I need to buy some powder now. I think we will both be calmer now.

Steffanoid Sat 06-Jul-13 16:33:11

ladies who have had sections, do you know if there are any rules on having baths and using bubble bath? a friend just have me some new mum bubble bath and I was wondering about using it although not while it's so blooming hot! im in our coolest room and Ethan had just a nappy on it's 22.8 degrees in.here, I usually have it at 16/17 in the winter!

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 16:34:16

I'd try it, forget.

Can you PM me to tell me the details of how you do it?

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 16:36:12

I don't know Steff. I was considering a bath, but hadn't thought about that. :-/

Sarah2506 Sat 06-Jul-13 16:51:55

mrsbri is there someone you can call to speak to about your situation? I seem to remember you saying there was a local support thing that lasted weeks to encourage bfing? Totally respect your decision to do what's best for you both but think it would be a shame to give it up when some local support could help? When they weighed Amy were they worried and what did they suggest?

Sarah2506 Sat 06-Jul-13 16:52:42

steff no, you are fine to after your stitches are out!

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 16:57:58

The midwife was baffled really. Couldn't think why she wasn't gaining weight as all the other factors are there. I physically can't do any more than I am as I'm exhausted already.

She wasn't concerned as such, but I can't keep going through the weigh in stress. And Amy needs to grow.

Sarah2506 Sat 06-Jul-13 17:25:09

The stress of the situation is not going to help at all! And I know if it was polly I would totally be reaching for formula- that's why it exists! As was suggested up thread, get some formula into her and then see how you feel. Combi feeding sounds like an excellent compromise. I think I've already said that when polly was being an absolute nightmare and just not feeding properly we found that expressing and feeding it back to her really helped- she stuck at the bottle in the way she wouldn't at the boob.

Should add I am so not part of the breastfeeding mafia. However it saves you money and helps you lose weight. For those reasons alone I am persevering!

massagegirl Sat 06-Jul-13 17:41:46

MrsBri I totally understand, I used to dread the weigh in and see no progress, I cried a lot and was absolutely shattered. I found breast feeding clinic really helpful and they diagnosed tongue tie, others had missed it, since then she has put on weight but I am continuing to combi feed and it is a happy medium. I had so many days when I wanted to give it up. Crack open the formula get oh to give her bottle and you get some sleep and then see what you feel like doing be it ff or combi feed, I totally agree that happy mummy equals happy baby. It's bloody hard work this being a mummy.

Steffanoid Sat 06-Jul-13 17:59:18

we're finding the combi feeding is a happy medium for us, I like that he's still getting tge goodness from me but at the same time knowing he's getting fed enough,

Sarah good to know about a bath, had my stitches out at day 5, my oh says the scar looks amazing considering it is only just over 2 weeks ago now smile

pinkbear82 Sat 06-Jul-13 18:28:47

hi everyone. haven't had time to catch up as currently in hospital with Violet. (fear hormones may make this habit Tmi for lots- sorry)

I was feeding her yesterday when suddenly she stopped breathing and blood was coming out of her nose, dp got her breathing again and luckily we were very close to hospital. She is currently in hdu, being tube fed. They think milk got into her lungs and basically she suffocated on it sad

I'm expressing for her feeds at the moment and am really trying nit to freak myself out about trying to breastfed her again when she is well enough.

I thought we had lost her, have never been so scared or relieved when she started crying again.

she has just been taken off of her oxygen to see how she gets on. Thank God she's stubborn!

hope everyone is ok - will try and catch up in the early hours of hand holding/expressing.

Steffanoid Sat 06-Jul-13 18:41:55

goodness pink, I.can't imagine what you were/are going through! glad you got to hospital and are in the best place, hope she picks up soon, sending positive thoughts your way thanks

forgetmenots Sat 06-Jul-13 18:45:44

Bloody hell pink flowers you must have been so scared sad

I really hope Violet is better soon, and I hope you and your dp are doing okay - will be waiting to see your update.

massagegirl Sat 06-Jul-13 18:47:53

Oh my god pink that is so awful and terrifying. Look after yourself and your lovely baby. Thank goodness she is alright x x

SunnyL Sat 06-Jul-13 19:07:38

Oh Pink how horribly scary. Well done to your DH for having the presence of mind to do mouth to mouth. Must have been the longest wait for an ambulance in the world. My thoughts are with you.

MrsBri Sat 06-Jul-13 19:13:47

Shit, pink. How utterly terrifying for you.

I'm so glad all seems to be getting better now. I hope they find out what happened and how to prevent it happening again for you. Xx

arlandria666 Sat 06-Jul-13 19:26:12

my goodness pink how terrifying glad she is okay xxx

can I just ask if the heat has made anyone else's baby sleep more? Elliott has mostly slept between feeds today still had plenty of wet nappies but not like him (maybe its something to do with mammoth cluster feed 6 til midnight last nite...waking again at 2.30 awake til 5!! and back up at 7!!)

don't want to moan about the summer time but jeeeez its HOT!!

Steffanoid Sat 06-Jul-13 19:36:32

we've had a lot of awake today arlandria, had a good 4 hour stretch while we were out but have had pretty constant feeding/burping all afternoon, think he's uncomfortable, he's been stripped off vs a vest quite a few times

rrreow Sat 06-Jul-13 19:50:00

Pink how awful and scary. Glad your DP literally saved her life. Hope she is doing better now.

Arlandria, Z has been feeding almost every hour today and not sleeping much. He seems quite uncomfortable with the heat. Probably a case of different babies like different things, I'd already noticed he doesn't like being warm (in the sling).

SunnyL Sat 06-Jul-13 20:02:53

We've almost not had any sleep today in the heat. Shes clearly hot and using boob to try and cool down. She was on me practically the whole time from 7.30am to 3.30pm. We've just had a cool bath which appears to have helped.

DH's best man finally came to meet bubs this afternoon 3.5weeks after she was born. He only lives 10 mins away and its been a bit of a sore subject. Ive been so pissed off on his behalf as i think hes been a shit friend to DH recently and takes advantage of his good nature.

DontmindifIdo Sat 06-Jul-13 20:13:47

Pink - gosh that's horrible to hear, I'd glad she's ok now though and well done for your DP.

We've also been feeding all day and sleepy but not getting any length of sleep.

Sunny, my BIL and SIL live a 15 minute drive away and they haven't met DD yet. She's 4.5 weeks. I was invited there for Wednesday afternoon (SIL is on mat leave with DN, who is coming up to a year, so not hard to leave the house with), Wednesday PM is the only time I can't do next week, she's not offering other times or offering to come here...

pinkapples Sat 06-Jul-13 20:29:34

Oh no pinkbear! Well done to dp I hope baby picks up soon and your back home thanks

The sun has not had a sleepy effect on Theiah all day she has been awake finally fell asleep at 5.40 woke at 7.30 and went straight back off (we've been out all day and she was very irritable so bath home wash and change into practically no clothes)

SunnyL Sat 06-Jul-13 20:40:03

Don'tmind - that's pretty shoddy too.

I'm quite chuffed with myself as I have just learned a new skill. How to break eggs into a pan one handed like chefs do. In fact even cooler than that I did it with my right hand which is my wrong hand. Of course this was all necessitated by a cranky baby that won't be put down at all.

learnermummy Sat 06-Jul-13 20:49:59

Pinkbear how terrifying for you. So glad your OH was with you x

The heat has not made my lo sleepy at all. She's been really irritable all afternoon, screaming as soon as she's put down/ off boob. Hoping she'll be worn out by bedtime!

arlandria666 Sat 06-Jul-13 21:04:00

maybe he was just exhausted from yesterday we've not been out since half 8 this morning it's really cool in my lounge so maybe that's helped he has still woke for feeds and has been feeding on and off since 6.30 but we have had first non windy smiles tonight smile

Steffanoid Sat 06-Jul-13 21:29:50

anyone else's lo's thrown up? Ethan has now had 2 baths as he threw up all over dp and then Moses basket a few hours later, not sure if he's over eating because he's hot, he's not running a temperature. he's not very giving with his burps either so think he may be over eating there too, just hope this one doesn't end up coming back up

Olimoss Sat 06-Jul-13 21:49:30

Pink - so sorry to hear that but glad she's in HDU and you were quick to get her there. Doesn't stop it being terrifying though, does it? I really empathise....good luck. X

Joe has just been in an aussie-style vest & nappy on these warm days, not even covering him up at night, bar a single muslin over the Moses basket after the 3am feed. He's been a bit of a nightmare (to be fair, prob not that much of a nightmare, but def diffcult compared to his usual self) with his schedule last couple of days. Am hoping he's just figuring out how to eat more/sleep longer!

Can I ask a tmi question? Prob most relevant to those of you combi-feeding, especially if expressing breastmilk. How long did you bleed with lochia for, and if you got your period, how quickly dd it come?

curlyclaz13 Sat 06-Jul-13 21:55:21

pink, what a scary thing to happen. Well done to your OH for saving her. I hope she is home soon with no ill effects.
Oscar was grizzly all morning but fell asleep in time for the fete so we had to go sad . We didn't even look round as we ended up in the pub ! then at family friends house. OHs mum kept saying 'I WANT a cuddle, I haven't had one this week'. I was thinking I wants don't get. Then I kept being told leave him here while you go to the fete, err no if he wakes he needs feeding !
back home now after buying a fan on the way and he is asleep on me.

learnermummy Sat 06-Jul-13 22:05:01

Steffanoid Anna threw up entire feed this morning all over me and we both had to get into the shower together! Think just overeating due to heat.

pinkbear82 Sat 06-Jul-13 22:05:28

thank you everyone. She's settled nicely for now and stats are looking better than they have done.

bloody scary and I just had a massive wobble when dp sent me to rest, the stopping let me think about it all far too much. Although I know I should rest, I don't think I will be able too while in here and Violet isn't 100%.

Can't help but now have a massive question over feeding her again. I know there was probably nothing I could have done differently but I can't help feeling it all happened while I was doing something for her and that's to blame. hmm

As for this weather it has a lot to answer for in messing up routines for you all - keeping little people hydrated and cool is not an easy task! hope everyone has a good
night xx

pinkapples Sat 06-Jul-13 22:07:55

Oli I was combi feedin until 2 days ago but now Theiah's just having formula but I'm still expressing to help sore boobs I was bleeding until about 8/10 days after birth then it stopped but I had another bleed on day 16 which has now stopped (now I get a pink tinge when I wipe but am now wearing my old knickers and no pads)

SunnyL Sat 06-Jul-13 22:21:57

Ach ive lost count of how many times ive been puked on today. In fact had to break off from writing this to catch some projectile vomit. Shes been feeding all day as hot, doing a tactical chunder and then demanding more. Looooooong day!

AmIGoingMad Sat 06-Jul-13 22:23:21

Pinkbear that's awful! So glad that things are picking up now! Poor you and Violet and thank goodness your oh was so amazing. Sending huge hugs to you all.

Mrsbri don't worry whichever way you decide to go on the feeding. You've done amazingly well already and Amy will thrive if you decide to ff, bf or combination. I know I've said this before but I truly believe that a happy mummy is the best thing for any little one. I know children who are amazing in every way who were breast fed. I know equally as many who were formula fed- including our DS. Have a think and just go with what's right for your family.

Steffanoid Sat 06-Jul-13 23:08:07

so glad it's not just us on the vomit/restless issue, have finally got Ethan settled strangely in a long sleeve/legged suit and nappy, he was sleeping on us but waking when put down in just a vest he woke up, think he didn't feel safe enough in just the vest, hopefully we'll get a few hours now,

Anyone not getting any sleep watch the film wanted on ITV, it's got James mcavoy in it and Angelina jolie I luffs it

pinkapples Sat 06-Jul-13 23:51:20

Well after a 6-10pm sleep stint I am now suffering for it as baby has just had a feed and is now raving in the Moses basket not looking like I'm getting any sleep is it! grin

curlyclaz13 Sat 06-Jul-13 23:57:28

25.5 c in here and rising the fan is on so it feels a bit cooler. have got him in a nappy and 0.5 tog bag not sure if that is 'right' or not. just fed but he is still wriggling so might need to do other boob then cross fingers for sleep.
fair bit of vom here today as well. Poor little ones don't know what to do with themselves.

AlohaMama Sun 07-Jul-13 00:58:24

pinkbear that sounds absolutely horrendous. I'm so glad she's doing better, hope you're home soon. I can appreciate your worry about breastfeeding. I'm now slightly freaked out as Evie fairly regularly chokes when I feed her as I think my milk flow is a bit forceful. Even waiting the few seconds for her to breathe again is scary so I can't even imagine how you felt.

Sorry for everyone struggling with the heat. It's pretty much like that here every day at the moment but I figure babies here are probably more acclimatized to it, so I try not to worry. Evie sleeps at night in short sleeve babygro and swaddling blanket under her arms (made out of thin jersey) but we have the ceiling fan on. Day time, just in nappy or short sleeve babygro.

Hawkmoth Sun 07-Jul-13 03:06:23

Pinkbear, hope Violet is back to full fitness soon. Really can't imagine what you went through, I don't know what I would do.

Re combi feeding, finding it v difficult to get baby to take bottles, but need to get her weight up quickly. She's having 3oz after each feed, but really only taking between one and two. I'm starting to really stress about the weight gain, and just want to start enjoying her. Seems my chest infection is getting better at last though. I'm coughing much less but still quite breathless and sore when I do anything. Ear and throat still bad, but no longer full of mucous, which is a relief!

I've not been out with baby yet as I don't have the energy. Last night I moved the washing to the dryer and reloaded the machine... I was exhausted and weak as a kitten. Difficult not to feel just a bit useless.

MrsBri Sun 07-Jul-13 08:21:29

Hawkmoth, I'm sorry you're stressed about weight gain. It's a horrible feeling, isn't it, positively dreading the next weigh in? <hugs>

I hope baby starts eating more soon and you can start to relax.

And other places outside of the house will be there when you feel better. Just concentrate on getting well and you can do more afterwards. :-)

SunnyL Sun 07-Jul-13 08:41:59

I reckon Lily's true calling is to go work for the CIA. Just when you think she is going to break you she backs off and turns into perfect baby again. Yesterday was rubbish. She was far too hot and used me as an ice lolly all day, didnt think she was ever going to settle last night and stop screaming and then whammo. Lovely sleepy little girl slept in her basket perfectly.

Really need to read the signs of when she is getting overheated and strip her off earlier. She slept in just a nappy last night until 5.30am when i put her nightshirt on.

As a result DH and i were planning on booking a cheapy holiday to theCanary islands in sept/oct but we're going to wait and see if she copes any better with the heat by then. Otherwise it might need to be a city break somewhere cold!

Hawkmoth Sun 07-Jul-13 11:03:34

Just wondering... Any babies got tiny boobies? It's very odd and didn't happen with my other two.

MrsBri Sun 07-Jul-13 11:52:29

Yes, Amy has. It's the hormones in your breast milk. :-)

ella0 Sun 07-Jul-13 11:59:31

I love that term, DontMind grin

Thanks for the chair info MrsBri.

I was shown the lying down position first and like it, but I'm scared of falling asleep.

The midwife visited us more often, I think partly because I'd had a c-section and she had to administer the injections, remove the stitches and check the wound, but also because our baby lost quite a bit of weight (she was a very big baby at birth!) and she wanted to check that she was gaining it back (and more) before she discharged us. It was a stressful time but the midwife was really supportive and made me promise I wouldn't get stressed over it. She said it was just because she was such a big baby.

MrsBri, you've had a big baby too so it will be harder work to get her to gain weight. I feel for you as I was in the same situation a few weeks back. With breastfeeding, it's hard to know how much they're taking in. My husband now gives baby one bottle a night (expressed if I've had time, or if not, formula), which gives me a break and we can also see how much she's having for one feed at least. Starting this was the turning point for us, and baby started to gain weight with just this one bottle (I breastfeed the rest of the time). As Sarah has found, she sticks at the bottle. You have to do whatever is best for you, I agree that happy mummy equals happy baby.

My baby is a snacker too. At the moment, in the day she usually feeds for 5-10 minutes at most. Later on in the day it's constant snacking and I don't get 10 minutes to myself between feeds (I wish she'd have one big feed then give me a half hour break!).

I haven't fed in public yet either (unless you count a special feeding room) and I'm worrying about it. I bought a cover but I feel self conscious wearing it. I'm tempted to take expressed milk in a bottle when we go out.

Steff, I've been told to use nothing on my c-section wound for 6 weeks (I was told this when they took the stitches out!), so no bubble baths. Though I've been adding a couple of drops of lavender oil (in milk) to my baths anyway.

I'm so sorry to hear about what happened pinkbear. Thank goodness she's alright.

My baby has been awake more and more irritable in this warm weather.

MrsBri Sun 07-Jul-13 12:39:01

That's interesting to know, ella. And it provides me with hope too. :-)

At least you had a midwife visit to do the clexane injections. My DH did mine! And my stitches were dissolvable.

Apparently my wound looks great and may not leave much of a scar either. Which is great.

I think we will just FF now to be honest. I'm mentally drained from breast feeding, which isn't good for either of us. I do feel a bit bad for her. But ultimately she needs to grow and we both need to be happy.

curlyclaz13 Sun 07-Jul-13 13:19:10

Those of you expressing what pump are you using , I want to express so OH can do maybe one feed a day and a few on hungry horace days ! Don't want to (and can't afford ) spend a fortune.

Sarah2506 Sun 07-Jul-13 13:29:22

Ella I have a cover and I love it but I really wouldn't recommend you take it on its first outing in this weather. This is because it gets pretty hot under there as it is and also the first time you use it the baby is a bit 'why is there a sheet on my head'. I would defo practice at home before cracking it open in public as it were!

learnermummy Sun 07-Jul-13 13:38:36

Actually found my apron cover invaluable today Sarah as we were out at car show and there was no shade so at least she was covered when feeding. Stupidly hot to be out today though, home now to cool off and watch the tennis! Have sent OH off to Argos for a tower fan!

massagegirl Sun 07-Jul-13 13:47:22

Learner I'm just back from argos with a fan! Has really helped cool her down.

Steffanoid Sun 07-Jul-13 13:54:20

curly we've got the tommee tippee one we've got the bottles too so it all fits together, I wasn't too keen on the one we had in hospital, medela I think? hurt my nipples, the tt one has got a silicone cone so is a bit more malleable

Hawkmoth Sun 07-Jul-13 13:59:21

Baby's the coolest one here. All windows open and all curtains closed so it isn't too bad.

My mum thinks her face is a bit fatter today so feeling a bit more optimistic for weigh in on Tuesday. Still can't get her to drink more than two ounces of formula though.

ella0 Sun 07-Jul-13 14:47:38

MrsBri, they gave me the option of letting my DH do the injections but I refused (I've experienced his plaster pulling off and wasn't willing to risk it!). Lucky you having dissolvable stitches; I spent days worrying about having mine out, though it was all for nothing as I didn't feel a thing! Apparently my wound looks great too (though I had an elcs so I think they usually do).

Bf is really really tough, MrsBri, I had no idea how hard it would be beforehand. Tbh I think I'd be happier if I ff as I really struggle with the cluster feeding and I've had a couple of bouts of mastitis already (due to her snacking), which I've been told is likely to carry on recurring - this scares me. Feeding in public is worrying me too, as I've said. I'm persevering for now though.

Curly I'm using the Medela Swing electric pump. I went to a breastfeeding class while pregnant, and although they aren't supposed to recommend anything, the midwife/ breastfeeding expert raved about this pump. I get on well with it but it's quite expensive. Steff, they shouldn't hurt your nipples if you use the right size nipple bits.

Sarah, I've tried my cover once at home and my husband has put me off using it. It's plain black and definitely not one for this weather! It's a bubbalug http://www.bubbalugs.co.uk/ . I can't even feed at home in front of visitors - I go into a different room, but this isn't ideal when she cluster feeds - and as we've got some staying this week I need to work something out. I've tried the vest and top method but I can't seem to do it as discreetly as I'd like.

Hawkmoth Sun 07-Jul-13 15:11:22

We've settled on a name - Roberta Primrose. Bobbie for short.

SunnyL Sun 07-Jul-13 15:26:19

Welcome Roberta. Lovely name.

Curly we got the Philips Avent pump kit cos it was on offer but I also liked that it came with all the bottles and tubs that fit. It works fine for me but I have no experience of trying any others out there.

Watching Andy Murray on the sofa with Abby that is treating me like an ice lolly.

Olimoss Sun 07-Jul-13 16:05:25

Curly - i have a Medela Swing, wouldn't swap it, it's aces.

learnermummy Sun 07-Jul-13 17:37:23

The fan has worked wonders here, she's slept for a good chunk this afternoon.

Ella will post a link to my cover later, it's easy to use and cheap.

learnermummy Sun 07-Jul-13 17:51:36

My cover is from www.badjily.com but I bought through their eBay shop.

curlyclaz13 Sun 07-Jul-13 18:47:17

The fan has been magic here too !
Anyone else's baby got an inbuilt dinner sensor ? nearly ever time food is ready he wakes up and needs a feed himself, first rare steak in months only slightly ruined by feeding him while eating.

pinkbear82 Sun 07-Jul-13 19:33:35

evening all.
I have to say being stuck in hospital while it's quite so hot seems a bonus at the moment - pretty sure trying to do anything normal would be a nightmare.

the good news is Violet is out of HDU, off all her monitor's had her tube removed and is back to
bf again. She still needs iv antibiotics but the improvement is amazing.

slightly scary feeding her again, so have asked to see the breastfeeding coordinator tomorrow, just for reassurance really.
scared silly at being on my own with her tonight as dp not allowed to stay now out of hdu and she's not 1-2-1 with a nurse any more. but trying to keep calm and not focus on it all too much.

hope you all manage to cool down enough to sleep and have good nights - lovely to see the sun but it has a lot to answer for!!

learnermummy Sun 07-Jul-13 19:59:11

Curly, mine definitely has a dinner sensor too! All meals have to be one-handed and always have to drape her with a muslin in case I drop food on her!

learnermummy Sun 07-Jul-13 19:59:46

Great news pinkbear. You'll be fine tonight x

Sarah2506 Sun 07-Jul-13 20:09:07

Pinkbear so pleased to hear that and respect for wanting to keep up with the breastfeeding regardless.

My daughter is overheated and overtired. Cannot get the flat to any sort of respectable temperature and she has failed to sleep all day. We happily live next to the east coast mainline and with the windows open its so bloody noisy which doesn't help! So she's on a feeding frenzy, refuses to sleep or settle and it's doing my head in! All the normal calming measures involve her getting my body heat which isn't great!

arlandria666 Sun 07-Jul-13 20:19:51

great news pink xx

curly I have lost count how many times I have dropped pasta on Elliott!! He has a meal sensor and also a mummy is about to take a nap sensor!!

He has also been mega cranky had about 3 five minute naps and fed on and off the rest of the day!!


Steffanoid Sun 07-Jul-13 20:30:50

Ethans tiredness has caught up with him today and he's slept all afternoon, we have figured he won't sleep in short sleeve vests so have had to put him in a sleep suit and he's very happily slept all afternoon, hoping it continues into the night

pink, so glad you're on a normal ward now, still can't imagine how scary it must have been and even though you're not 121 use the buzzer and take all the help you can, you'll be ok without dpbiscuit

pinkapples Sun 07-Jul-13 20:47:57

For all those with babies struggling to sleep have you tried putting them on their tummies? I know it's not recommended and I wouldn't do it overnight as obviously the risks are obvious but during the day when you are watching it has worked a treat with theiah as she seems to feel snug... and something else babies that sleep on their tummies in the early days develop a higher language ability than those that learn only to sleep on their backs grin not sure how true this is tho

rrreow Sun 07-Jul-13 20:54:32

Seconding pinks suggestion for tummy sleeping. Works a treat!

forgetmenots Sun 07-Jul-13 21:05:36

I let DS sleep on me in his carrier... Puts him on his tummy, helps with wind!

MrsBri Sun 07-Jul-13 21:20:14

Pink, I'm glad Violet is on the mend now. Please don't be scared about feeding her. Have they given a reason for what happened?

And Amy sleeps on me on her tummy. She loves it :-)

pinkbear82 Sun 07-Jul-13 21:22:38

the nurse yesterday put Violet on her tummy at one point to try and sooth her - worked a treat! she at the moment is favoring just her nappy and being on her side.

pinkbear82 Sun 07-Jul-13 21:26:50

mrsbri - they think milk went the wrong way and then it getting into her lungs caused her to suffocate. my friend who is a nurse and her mum who is a mw, both feel she probably had a chest infection brewing and that the milk going the wrong way was the tip of the iceberg for her.
guess it's one of those things that's
kind of unexplained and no one really knows.

have to have resus training before we go hoMe just to be on the safe side.

cyclecamper Sun 07-Jul-13 21:45:29

I've only just found this thread! Been out of it, rather.

pinkbear that sounds terrifying. I'm glad Violet is recovering. We had to have the neonatal resus training too.

Nye is not terribly happy with the heat and just wants to nurse all day, poor sausage. He's 8 weeks old now and had his first lot of injections last week. He's finally grown into the newborn clothes, although he's still a bit skinny for them. We have got a bike trailer for him now and he seems to like that. I'm hoping he relaxes a bit at some point - I've never known such a stressed baby!

<Waves at everyone>

I'll try and keep up a bit now!

MrsBri Sun 07-Jul-13 21:57:20

I think they should give all parents resus training. I really want it but there aren't any courses here, sadly.

Hopefully once you've had the training you'll feel more secure about going home.

Welcome back, cycle :-) Good to see you here and fantastic that Nye is growing well.

pinkbear82 Sun 07-Jul-13 22:13:12

mrsbri could you look at st John ambulance/red cross and see what they offer? their courses can be really good and once you've done it keeping up to date with New procedures can be done online.

I'm lucky that all the childcare and youth work I've dine over the years has given me lots of different experiences and 'trauning' - nothing quite like having to put it into practice on your own - certainly never want that again.

grumpy night nurse on the ward tonight sad been lucky up to now!

MrsBri try contacting a local children's centre, lots of them do first aid for parents courses now and again. Also, download the (free) Red Cross first aid app for the iPhone (and I assume android as well), it's really good - it lets you select whether you're in an emergency situation when you launch it and walks you through the appropriate next steps. I'm a paediatric first aider and really rate it smile though fortunately my Rainbows are fairly good and not given (so far!) to seriously injuring themselves or each other grin

Curly - my pump is a Ameda Lactaline, the NICU recommended it when DS1 was discharged because it uses the same method as hospital-grade pumps and lets you tweak the frequency and strength of each pump, it's also a double pump and surprisingly quiet. But I had an Avent manual one before, which worked fine and was £20ish - only got rid of it because I was full time pumping for a couple of months and it gave me RSI.

Pinkbear - I'm glad Violet is doing so much better, hope you both get home soon. Don't dwell on the resus training!

Pinkapples - DS1 was a tummy sleeper, and DS2 has headed the same way. Both startle themselves awake about every 20 minutes unless they're lying on their sides or fronts. It about killed us until we worked out what was going on and how to fix it! Completely different to DD, who just liked being swaddled like a little sausage roll every nap/bed time.

AmIGoingMad Sun 07-Jul-13 23:44:10

Pinkbear I'm so glad to hear that violet is much better now! Thank goodness for that.

Mrsbri our HV did some first aid stuff with us last time around- choking, resus etc. I'm not sure if they still do it as we haven't seen her this time yet but it might be worth you asking?

Lovely name hawkmoth!

Lovely to hear from you cycle and great that Nye is doing well!

Well my boobs are like rocks today! Milk seems to be coming in even tho I'm not using it. Am hoping it will settle quickly and painlessly as it did last time.
Mw came to weigh dd today as they were too busy to come out yesterday. She says that she's only lost 0.45g so is now 9lb 1. Interesting.... she was 8lb15 born. So having lost a small amount of weight she now weighs more than she did born?! I swear I'd be more shocked if they told me something that made sense with the experience I've had with them!
I'm struggling to remember to take it easy. Keep doing something then thinking ouch shouldn't have done that. DH is getting a bit irate I think but I'm trying to take it easy. How long before you were carrying little ones up and down stairs after a section?

AlohaMama Mon 08-Jul-13 01:09:45

St John's do good first aid/CPR but you can probably get you tube videos online as a short term solution.

Welcome back cycle! Funny it seemed like you had Nye so long ago, but now 4 versus 8 week old doesn't seem so different.

Glad to hear Violet is on the mend pinkbear. Hope you're able to get the reassurance you need from your bf specialist.

Also hot here, Evie seems to be sleeping fine though, but she has developed infant acne on her face which I'm sure is partly due to the heat. Hopefully it will clear up soon. Both of us end up so sweaty breastfeeding, when we're done her poor face is sweaty and covered with milk.

ella I've got a bebe au lait cover, but bf covers are the norm here. From experience I'd say get if you do get one, make sure it has enough fabric - some of the cheaper ones may be smaller and it makes it much harder to cover yourself up. Also if they have wire around the neck of the apron then it holds it away from you so you can peer down and easily see what is going on. Definitely practice at home till you feel comfortable.

pinkapples Mon 08-Jul-13 02:36:26

Baby acne here too hmm looks worse than it is I think but still what happened to my baby!

Theiah is refusing to go back to sleep so I'm lying next to the Moses basket listening to her grunt and sing at me 3.5weeks old and she's already a pickle dh is being a waste of space as he just ends up getting cross and threatening to put her in her own room (something which I've told him won't work as well just listen to the crying from a distance) have no idea now what time to feed Theiah again as its taken me 1.5 hrs to get her bottle down so not a clue now and as for the sleeping well when she finally does drop ill just have to see how long she stays there

It's a good job I have this thread to vent at 2.30 in the morning

AlohaMama Mon 08-Jul-13 02:53:54

Yep pinkapples at least you know you're not alone! Agree that putting them far away doesn't help as you just end up straining to hear them! At least not until they are a bit older. Are you trying to feed her at specific times? Hope she sleeps for you, or that you sleep. I'm sure if she's hungry she'll let you know!

pinkapples Mon 08-Jul-13 02:59:40

No he's had enough and gone to spare room like a knob! Don't worry he'll suffer for that decision tomorrow wink (when I go out for a break that just happens to last all day) she's asleep now thankfully! No not specific times just between every 3/4 hrs as any closer together i think id lose the plot she does seem to do the 3/4 hrs at least its just getting her back off to bed but alls good now so going to try and sleep for a couple of hours

pinkbear82 Mon 08-Jul-13 05:33:28

ah pink - why do men think little ones respond to being told things like that!! And it always amazes me that no matter how soundly they have slept they are still 'so tired' - mind you it's giving me chance to really perfect 'the look' It now goes something like:
dp: (having slept for 7 hours and had two naps) I'm so tired I could sleep
for a week.
Me: (having had 4 hours sleep over the last 48 hours) hmmm (give the look)
dp : uh but, er, you must be more tired, you probably haven't had half as much sleep as me for a long time.
Me: (trying not to make a huge scene or say something I'd regret) I suppose not, but at least one of us is fresh.
dp : Right, just popping off to sort the Car out and stuff I'll be back in a bit - shame you can't come, remember to put the cot side up if you have to leave her, that's really important.
me: oh piss off. (followed by a few sarcastic remarks)
grin men!!

arlandria666 Mon 08-Jul-13 06:21:14

men!!! glad it's not just my DH who actually thinks our 6 week old son should "do as he is told" mmmmmm
I actually sleep better in the spare room as 1-I don't end up getting really pissed off that he sleeps through every murmer and cry & 2-I don't waste my energy kicking him really hard (by accident of course) because of number 1!!

he is also "soooo tired" I don't even respond to that comment for fear of what will come out of my mouth!!

Going to buy a fsn today when the shops open and a supply of ice lollys!!

AmIGoingMad Mon 08-Jul-13 07:57:26

Glad you got some sleep in the end pinkapples!

Have to be honest and say that DH is being amazing. After the c section he's like superman around the place! I don't think I'd be coping anywhere near as well without him. But I am formula feeding so he is able to do a lot more.

learnermummy Mon 08-Jul-13 08:52:49

Morning all. Last day of my OHs paternity leave today. Seriously have no clue how I will manage school and nursery run tomorrow! The school bell will be sounding now and I'm sitting in a towel and Anna's still fast asleep. I probably can't get all organised night before either as she'll likely be cluster feeding! Oh well!!

ella0 Mon 08-Jul-13 08:59:49

Thanks learnermummy and Aloha. The cover I have covers me up fine, it's just that it probably draws more attention to me than if I didn't bother with one (and it's plain black) - I wish they were the norm here. But at least no one will see anything. I need to stop worrying about what other people think.

Pinkbear, I'm so glad that Violet is getting better.

AmI, I'm lucky too in that my husband has been amazing after my section. He's doing all the housework, cooking, all the nappies while he's at home and a feed in the night too (I breastfeed the rest of the time). And he took a month off. I don't know how I'd have coped without him. I just have to concentrate on feeding at the moment and I'm struggling with that!

pinkbear82 Mon 08-Jul-13 09:00:48

learner you'll surprise yourself - of course you'll cope fine.

ami - my dp has a superman dressing gown....I can't knock him
too much, he's just a bit rubbish round the house, he
prefers to busy himself and feel
he's bringing in the money which is fair enough - just sometimes I wish he'd put his piles in neater places!! smile

pinkbear82 Mon 08-Jul-13 09:06:20

Ella with feeding out and about its never easy - I've used a muslin a few times to 'cover up' but tend not to worry too much. I try to have tops on that I don't have to pull up. to help.
oddly the middle of town wasn't an issue but at the doctors surgery the other week one of the staff gave me a real odd look which I couldn't quite believe!

learnermummy Mon 08-Jul-13 09:46:06

Ella you probably just think you're drawing attention to yourself, I'm sure nobody is looking at all.

curlyclaz13 Mon 08-Jul-13 12:17:21

Well I have done my first feed in public. Oscar decided he was hungry while in town so we headed to the nearby cafe that thankfully is run by hippies and known for being bf friendly. mum got drinks while I sat down with him thankfully he latched on straight away which considering he had been screaming his head off was a miracle ! he then had a mammoth feed for about half an hour. Glad I have done it so I won't be so bothered next time.

ella0 Mon 08-Jul-13 13:13:34

Thanks pink bear and learner.

Well done curly.

I've thought about going into a coffee shop if I need to feed, but if I go to town it's always by myself (I don't have family in the area), so I'd have to queue up to buy something while baby cries (and then deal with carrying a drink as well as pushing the pram!). My baby feeds randomly and doesn't go for set times between feeds, so going into a cafe to feed her before she cries doesn't mean she won't want feeding again 10 minutes after we've left. Obviously people must have the same issue no matter how they feed their babies.

curlyclaz13 Mon 08-Jul-13 13:22:30

Ella, I had feed Oscar before leaving home in the hope he would fall asleep as he has done every time we have been out but I think with it being hot he was thirsty so lasted 10 minutes before turning into hungry horace ! although mum ordered drinks I has left her with the pram so she asked them to bring the drink over and I had drinks brought to me in costa when they saw I was on my own with him.

ella0 Mon 08-Jul-13 13:25:16

Thanks curly, it's good to know that they are willing to help. I'm sure I won't worry so much once I've done it a couple of times.

pinkbear82 Mon 08-Jul-13 13:33:35

Ella - not sure what your town is like but if you have a mothercare or John Lewis they have great feeding/changing rooms. I think some department stores do too. might be worth having a check and seeing what you have close by.

I'm sure in most cafes if you go in and say you need to feed if when they have a quiet 5 mins could they bring you over what ever you want you'll have the money ready for them. might not work in some of the bigger ones but more local ones I'm sure would be over the moon to help.

Steffanoid Mon 08-Jul-13 20:39:56

I have spent the last 4 hours cleaning and cooking I feel very normal, dp has looked after Ethan, first meal I have made for ages, had a lovely cool shower too, made frittata from.start to finish smile

arlandria666 Mon 08-Jul-13 22:30:07

steff it feels great to do normal jobs doesn't it I strangely enjoyed cleaning the bathroom earlier smile

pinkapples Tue 09-Jul-13 01:17:50

Why why why when my husband goes downstairs to make a bottle does he feel the need to do all the household jobs leaving me with a screaming baby! angry

BumbleBee2011 Tue 09-Jul-13 02:04:09

Catching up - pinkbear glad Violet is OK, hope things will settle down again for you soon.

This weather has not been timed well - after a couple of days of cluster feeding the heat has made Millie more sleepy and I've been left with a blocked duct (or 2) on one side. Have tried warm baths, massage, block feeding on that side, expressing, and even talking to the boob in question, but other than reducing the swelling a bit it's not actually going away. The first day it made me feel really ill, though I've got some energy back, so I'm trying not to worry too much about it.

BumbleBee2011 Tue 09-Jul-13 02:12:23

Haha pink, they don't think do they...

MrsBri Tue 09-Jul-13 02:50:26

Pink, the same reason as mine in taking FOREVER to do the same task, as well as failing to prioritise to make sure we always have at least one feed in the fridge :-/

Really need to get back to doing housework regularly as he doesn't see dirt it seems.

And does anybody know how many times I'll have to mention mowing the sodding lawn before it happens?! I'm not sure what part of me having had a c section and boy being able to do it he doesn't get :-/ The look of it is driving me mad. Sigh.

MrsBri Tue 09-Jul-13 02:51:49

Not, not boy.

Mutley77 Tue 09-Jul-13 04:27:08

Hi - can I rejoin? I was around for a bit during pregnancy but have had a lot on (including emigrating) so haven't been on the June threads for a while. I had a baby girl on 10 June and she is lovely and my third DC. Is really helpful to see how others at the same stage are doing. Congratulations on the births of all your babies.

AlohaMama Tue 09-Jul-13 05:28:33

Welcome back Mutley. I think I remember you talking about emigrating. Where are you now? Hope it wasn't too stressful. We are in the process of doing the return...only 6 weeks to go.

AlohaMama Tue 09-Jul-13 05:32:30

Keep meaning to ask - for those for whom this is baby #2, how are you coping with the transition? And how are you managing your days/weeks?

Olimoss Tue 09-Jul-13 07:07:17

Hi Mutley - how's WA treating you?

SunnyL Tue 09-Jul-13 07:08:19

Ha ha Pinkbear. DH made the mistake once of going to get a bottle once but stopped off for a pee first. He'll not make that mistake again!

Those with cranky baby's in the heat - is it getting any better? I feel like it is so long as i keep her indoors. Its driving me and the dog a bit mad though as all we want to do is go for nice long walks in the sun.

SunnyL Tue 09-Jul-13 07:08:41

Ha ha Pinkbear. DH made the mistake once of going to get a bottle once but stopped off for a pee first. He'll not make that mistake again!

Those with cranky baby's in the heat - is it getting any better? I feel like it is so long as i keep her indoors. Its driving me and the dog a bit mad though as all we want to do is go for nice long walks in the sun.

SunnyL Tue 09-Jul-13 07:09:08

Darn it crazy phone!

AmIGoingMad Tue 09-Jul-13 07:10:51

Morning all!

Welcome bk mutley and thanks for your response on other thread!

Aloha- I'm lucky so far in that I've had lots and lots of help and haven't really needed to cope on my own. It will be interesting when DH goes bk to work!

Bumble grin at you talking to your boob!

A few questions for c section ladies:

When could you carry little one up and down stairs?

What painkillers are/were you on and how long for?

When were/ are you able to use baby carrier?

MadameJ Tue 09-Jul-13 08:13:28

Aloha, this is my second dd I already have a 2.5 yo. So far its being going really well and I have managed to keep to pretty much our pre baby routine. I think this weather has helped as we have being spending lots of time outside which always pleases DD1. The only thing that was initially difficult was whenever I was bf'ing, DD1 would keep asking me for things but now she seems to understand that once im finished I can play etc so thats improved!

AlohaMama Tue 09-Jul-13 08:37:37

Madame I think that is my problem, I don't have a pre-baby routine as such! I had to go back to work when ds was 12 weeks old and during the time when I was off, we had all the grandparents visiting. During the week I've been used to ds being with childminders and only having him home on Fridays which were often spent busy doing chores as much as anything fun with him. Suddenly I have a whole week to fill, 2 kids to look after and trying to keep ds sufficiently amused so he doesn't distract dh who works from home. I was very focused on getting ds on a schedule (had to be really for his childminder) and ensuring he could get to sleep by himself, but with dd she just has to be carted round in the carrier. I think I'm just finding the transition quite tricky! I'm not sure if I'm over-compensating by feeling like I need to be doing fun things with ds all the time, or how to balance activities for him, playing at home versus just needing to get on with housework.

Mind you, in 6 weeks time we'll be moving in with my parents for a few months so it will all change then anyway!!

curlyclaz13 Tue 09-Jul-13 08:55:20

Does anybody else wonder where they put all the milk they guzzle ? I just don't understand ! From about 6 last night he has been a horace and kept going all night since 5 am he has had 5 good feeds of around 15 minutes each. I am knackered and need food but waiting in for a piano to be delivered as OH decided he had to have one now.

Steffanoid Tue 09-Jul-13 09:06:00

ami, it was about a week for me going up and down stairs and I didn't have painkillers since before I left hospital which was day 2, I dont use a along/carrier so can't answer that one smile

I just answered the door to a very nice man bringing me a very unexpected delivery of flowers from my aunty, from m and s as well, dread to think how much they cost her! they're absolutely gorgeous and will fill 2 vases

ella0 Tue 09-Jul-13 09:08:48

Thanks pinkbear.

AmI, I was fine with stairs more or less straight away (taking it slowly) but I didn't carry the baby up and down them for a couple of weeks. I didn't want to risk it.

After I left hospital (less than two days after my section) I was just on paracetamol (4 times a day) and ibuprofen (3 times a day). I was advised to take them for at least two weeks, but that I could take them as long as I needed to. I'm still taking them now, but due to the mastitis I've developed rather than the section.

I've got a baby carrier but I'm not attempting to use it till the 6 week mark, just in case. I'm healing well and don't want to do anything that might impede recovery.

ella0 Tue 09-Jul-13 09:10:53

I wonder that too curly, as I keep reading how tiny their stomachs are!

That's a lovely surprise, Steff.

Mutley77 Tue 09-Jul-13 09:22:54

Aloha - I'm in Australia - the move and settling was hard work, I think I am starting to feel a bit more at home now my baby is here! Where are you going from and to? I can identify with how you feel in some ways as I gave up work at 24 weeks pregnant (and my social and support network) to move here so kind of felt at a total loss in terms of filling my days - esp with the kids were at school - my oldest two are 4 and 8. For me it is sort of easier now the baby is here as I actually have a purpose. This week is school holidays and my kids are watching TV all day today although we were out and about yesterday. I am anxious about the return to school as I have to do 2 school runs by car, leaving here at 8.25 which will be a real rush! But I appreciate I don't have a dependent toddler to look after.

AmI - I carried DD up and downstairs from day one - my physio said ok to carry the baby but nothing heavier. I do appreciate I'm on my 3rd C/S though so I am told the recovery gets easier each time and I also know what to expect.
I was on paracetamol, ibuprofen and tramadol (that seems to be given instead of codeine here in Aust). I stopped the tramadol when I came out of hospital as didn't want to be in an unnaturally deep sleep and stayed on the paracetamol and ibuprofen until 2 weeks post op.

Olimoss - I think WA is treating us ok - have had the extremes of weather from 40 on arrival down to 2 at night now!! It does seem like a nice place to live but I do miss home. Thanks for all your advice on the hospital system though - that bit all went v smoothly.

learnermummy Tue 09-Jul-13 09:56:00

Woohoo I have managed to deliver one child to school and one to nursery, all on time grin. Slight hiccup in the middle when Anna decided to throw up whole feed in the pram so we had to come home and change her before setting off for nursery. I've also managed to get a doctors appointment arranged for later to revisit my nasty piles hmm.
Feel good about my achievements so far today!!
Must go and put pram liner in the washing machine!
Welcome back mutley.

MadameJ Tue 09-Jul-13 10:09:45

Aloha, I am sure you will find what works for you all soon as its still really early days. I am quite lucky in that the baby is really easy going (in comparison to dd1 who was a bloody nightmare for the first year!!!!). Our balance is we tend to be out and about in the mornings, home for dd1 to nap and afternoons are pottering round doing jobs etc, that seems to work really well for us x

rrreow Tue 09-Jul-13 10:47:09

Z went a stretch of 5 hours between feeds last night!!! It was just a shame that DS1 decided to wake up right in the middle of it and require over an hour to settle back to sleep hmm so still haven't had longer than 2 hours consecutive sleep. But at least I know he can go longer than 2.5 hours between feeds now! I hope that bodes well for the future.

My right nipple is incredibly painful at the moment. Feeding from that side is really unpleasant. Some people on another forum suggested thrush. I'm not sure as I thought that would affect both nipples. The left is a but more sensitive than usual but not nearly as painful as right.

You know what annoys me? Both DH and SiL do this. I'll be feeding Z and they ask if I'd like a drink. I'll say yes and then they basically disappear for at least 30 minutes! Drives me nutty especially if I've asked then to refill my water bottle so am left feeding without any water for ages!!

Hawkmoth Tue 09-Jul-13 11:06:45

Rrreow, could not be doing with that. I get an overwhelming thirst when feeding and poor DH has to dash off for a pint of water... Sometimes has to give it me if Bobbie's in an awkward position!

Thrush can be one side at a time, or it could be that latch is different on different sides. I'm doing two different holds for mine, left is crook of the arm, right is belly to belly with a really firm hold!

Waiting for the MW to come this morning. The big weigh in. If she's not put on anything it'll be paediatrics... Not ashamed to say I'm shitting myself.

AmIGoingMad Tue 09-Jul-13 11:31:59

Good luck hawk!

Well done learner!

That's a lovely surprise stef!

Aloha I'm sure you'll settle into something naturally that suits you. I imagine the adjustment period must be really hard tho- I'm dreading DH going bk to work, especially as I'll be just 2 weeks post section by then! I'm just hoping I'm not housebound at that point as its not fair on DS. It's not that I don't think I'll manage to get out- its more that I won't be able to get down steep steps we have into the street carrying pram yet and it'll be a bit early for using the sling I'd imagine.

And thanks for the advice mutley and Ella! I've been on paracetamol (4 times a day) ibuprofen (3 times a day) and tramadol (4 times a day). I'm not taking the tramadol anymore as of today as I'm fed up of the fuzzy head and tiredness. So far I definitely feel slightly less comfortable but its not too bad so will carry on and see how I go.

AlohaMama Tue 09-Jul-13 11:57:58

Thanks ladies, don't know what I'm worrying about really, dd so far is pretty easy and ds, while being slightly high maintenance at the moment at least still takes a long (2-3 hr) nap each afternoon. I think I just feel much less confident about doing the much thing than I did about working!

AmI that is a whole other level of complication do have to be dealing with recovering from a c section. Hope you're feeling good by then but I imagine you still will need to take it easy.

mutley I hope you're settling in OK. I'm moving from hawaii back to England.

Mutley77 Tue 09-Jul-13 12:00:30

Congratulations learnermummy - sounds like you have at least 2 others as well, not just me then! I think I will treat myself to coffee and a muffin out when I achieve my first solo school run!!

AmI - sounds like you are coping brilliantly for less than 2 weeks in. Being housebound is a big fear of mine too so I hope you can manage it - but be careful with the pram, getting down you could possibly bump a bit but you would have to get up again. It sounds like the sling might be a safer option.

Good luck hawk - been through the weight gain issues twice now and I know how stressful it can be.

learnermummy Tue 09-Jul-13 12:22:03

Yes my others are 4 and 7 mutley. Coffee and a muffin sounds nice, shame Anna being a bit miserable today. Think will stay home and raid freezer for phish food ice cream smile.

Mutley77 Tue 09-Jul-13 12:23:16

LM - Phish food icecream sounds even better!!!!!! Mine are 4 and 8 so fairly similar. How old is Anna?

Mutley77 Tue 09-Jul-13 12:24:25

LM - Phish food icecream sounds even better!!!!!! Mine are 4 and 8 so fairly similar. How many days/weeks is Anna?

learnermummy Tue 09-Jul-13 12:46:16

She's 2 weeks today mutley. My other two are both boys and are totally in love with their little sister smile.
How are your 2 settling in to a new country?

Hawkmoth Tue 09-Jul-13 13:59:53

Woo... Baby's put on ten ounces since Friday. That can't be down to eight oz of formula a day, so my milk must have been delayed.

Also had a chat with MW about the birth and now it's all straight in my head I've realised that not only did I have a minor PPH, but also a placental abruption... Which is pretty fucking scary. There was a HUGE clot behind the placenta and it wasn't explained at all in the rush.

Getting a card for a full blood count from the GP tomorrow so I can start iron as I'm sick of feeling knackered.

rrreow Tue 09-Jul-13 14:30:00

Thanks Hawk for confirming it can be one side at a time, I didn't know that. I also think I saw some white stuff in Z's mouth (on his gums, he doesn't open his mouth a lot though so couldn't get a proper look), so I think it'll be worth trying to make a GP appointment.

Well done on the weight gain!! And also on getting more precise information on what happened. I think that's really important in order to mentally process your labour and be able to move on from it.

Steffanoid Tue 09-Jul-13 14:52:37

is there anything more boring than sitting waiting for the health visitor? she was due at 2 pm and isn't here yet, but I know as soon as I do anything, especially go for a wee, she'll show up,
had a visit from my sis, mum and nephew for lunch, had him and Ethan next to each other and they look the same size! Ethan was 10.1lb a week ago and my nephew is 16 weeks and 13.1 today, I think Ethan is gonna be a big boy!

pinkapples Tue 09-Jul-13 15:24:48

Oh no steff hope she turned up and apologised!

Booked a date for Theiah's christening today it's the 8th sept so hopefully the weather will hold out grin

Off to walk the dogs in a minute thought I'd feed Theiah first though then I might get a peaceful walk

pinkbear82 Tue 09-Jul-13 15:35:00

We're home! Violet still has antibiotics to take but we're home.

Have been sent to bed after a decent shower (mums staying to make sure I catch up) and luckily have enough expressed milk for the night feeds to be covered for me.

My phone broke yesterday which sent me into a spin as all my photos of violet are on there. Yet to sort it.

Well done everyone with getting things done and settling in the run of normal things again - I don't envy you all

Steffanoid Tue 09-Jul-13 15:44:18

well she came, he's weighing in at 11lb 3oz now, put on 1lv2oz in a week!

MrsBri Tue 09-Jul-13 16:19:13

Goodness, Hawk. It's probably best to not know these things at the time, I think, as too much stress and panic isn't helpful during labour / straight after.

Amy has put on 5.5 oz since Sat, so only 3.5 oz til back to birth weight. Very much a relief. And makes me feel a bit better about swapping to FF.

Hope everyone is still dealing with the heat OK.

AmIGoingMad Tue 09-Jul-13 16:49:50

Great weight gains all round!

We've had a slight loss here but measured against birth weight it's something like a loss of 1.8% so they're not worried but will re weigh in 2 days as we were worried about how watery her poos are too. My blood pressure's up too and swollen legs/ ankles still so they're going to recheck me in 2 days too. Stitches out tho so I'm just being careful not to move suddenly! Really paranoid about it!

Hawk that's scary! Agree with mrsbri tho that its probably for the best that you didn't know at the time. Speaking to mw after birth of ds freaked me out when I should have been relaxing as she said I was lucky to have given birth in this country as elsewhere in world could not have been so positive. I remember thinking that that wasn't the most helpful thing for her to be saying at that point in time!

Pinkbear I'm really glad to hear you're home with violet now. Rest and cuddle now!

AmIGoingMad Tue 09-Jul-13 16:52:07

And stef I can relate- we were told we'd have afternoon appt. then they phoned yesterday and said it was being moved to this morning. They turned up at 2.30!!!!

SunnyL Tue 09-Jul-13 19:23:26

Can someone please explain to my daughter that if you are too hot insisting on sleeping on a human is the equivalent to wearing a 37 degree hot water bottle. EVERY time i put her in the pram after passing out i get shouted at. Definately not going to be a scientist this child.

learnermummy Tue 09-Jul-13 19:29:01

Exactly the same here Sunny - only way I could get her to sleep earlier was to put her on the carrier on the school run - she must have been so hot! Every time I've put her down she's screamed hmm.

curlyclaz13 Tue 09-Jul-13 20:11:39

Same here, silly babies smile it feels like he has been awake and feeding since about 6pm until 5pm today. He has been asleep since 5 and I used the time to help build a piano, bake brownies, dinner eat and have a glass of wine. I feel normal !

curiousgeorgie Tue 09-Jul-13 20:18:39

Pinkbear that's absolutely terrifying, I'm so glad you're home now and everything is okay..

Seraphina has been refusing to be put down at all. She was either having a bottle or sleeping or being rocked by DH or me.. And with DH only having one more week at home I was starting to freak out that DD1 and I would have absolutely no time together if DD2 needed me 100% of the time.... So today I have bought the miracle swing! (A graco sweet peace soothing centre) I've seriously not had a second without her in my arms for the past week, and this afternoon she happily sat in it for an hour and a half while I played with DD, and went back into it for a four hour sleep after milk! (Just a recommendation for anyone struggling with the same problem smile)

Olimoss Tue 09-Jul-13 21:22:50

Glad you're both home safe Pink...

Mutley - glad you're settling in, probably good you moved there in winter as summer will be a bit of a shock!

Joe had his BCG today. Horrid, really, seeing him being stuck with a needle after he had been prodded, poked and injected hundreds of times in NICU...but he was fine with it. Passport docs sent off today so our trip home to Australia late Sept should be fine.

He's been a bit off schedule today but slept so much last two days in the heat, that's maybe it. Had a terrible migraine yesterday so thank god mum was able to watch him for a bit whilst I took blissful amounts of codeine! We start swimming classes tomorrow, he'll be 6 weeks exactly.

Amazing how fast time goes, huh? He's starting to smile a lot, is able to settle himself to sleep (albeit with a few cycles of cranky crying) and s chubbing up a little.

6-week check with Dr this Thursday - anyone had theirs & know what it entails?

cyclecamper Tue 09-Jul-13 21:48:39

Glad you got home Pink.

olimoss swimming classes sound fab. I'd love to do some but we can't afford it this month. Maybe in September.

Baby camper is also refusing to be put down. I'm making him wait a bit between feeds in the day (I aim for about 3 hours start to start) but he feeds almost constantly from his evening feed (7 pm today) until 10 or so at night. He doesn't really smile and mostly seems stressed.

AlohaMama Wed 10-Jul-13 01:12:18

Hawk - sounds very scary. Amazing what you find out afterwards that you aren't aware of at all at the time.

Pink - welcome home, glad Violet is on the mend.

Cycle - yep, we also have the evening fussy period, but mercifully a bit shorter than yours. Usually 1-2 hours, of on/off feeding/fussing/bobbing about. I've started letting her feed lots and then at some point, just deciding she's had enough, swaddling her and working on getting her to sleep with lots of swaying/bouncing and all that stuff. It's hard to make the judgement of when she's still genuinely hungry versus tired though. I think it's pretty common but I feel like I read that evening fussiness is supposed to peak at 6 weeks and then get better?

Tiring morning this morning, toddler woke early (4.30!!) and I'm not sure he went back to sleep. Cue lots of misbehaving all morning till nap time. Let's hope he wakes up in a better mood! In comparison, the baby is a piece of cake!

arlandria666 Wed 10-Jul-13 06:23:31

oli I've had my 6 week check they did baby at same time. she asked me how I found being a Mum, how my moods were, if I was breast feeding I said yes and she recommended combination feeding as in her words "you've still got to have a life & mist breastfeeding mums don't" I don't want to as I have had to cut dairy out she told me I could always try him on regular formula to see what happens think I will give that a miss!!
she asked about contraception.

baby she checked eyes,hips, tummy and looked at his boy bits lol.

thought she might have felt my tummy or looked at my scar but didn't

got his review with HV today no doubt they will tell me he is too small!!

learnermummy Wed 10-Jul-13 10:06:49

Most breastfeeding mums don't have a life?! That's great advice from a medical professional!!

Hawkmoth Wed 10-Jul-13 10:27:09

What weird advice!

Just slept from half six to ten with baby in bed. She did NOT want to be in her crib last night. Seems cooler today so hoping it might be easier and she might not want to feed until 2am. Mind you, without that I wouldn't have the joy of toast in the early hours... It just tastes better when you're exhausted!

rrreow Wed 10-Jul-13 10:30:46

Z had his BCG last week. Are you in London too Oli?

Do any of your babies cry in their sleep? Z has been crying on and off for the past 30 minutes, but every time I look at him he's sound asleep (even smiling in his sleep!). Obviously when I hear him cry I want to respond to him, but when I see he's still asleep my instinct is to just leave him until he wakes up?

It's DHs birthday today! We're having lunch just the two of us (well, Z is coming too but fingers crossed he will be asleep!), going to the park with both kids once DS1 is back from nursery and then to Giraffe for dinner. Looking forward to it!

learnermummy Wed 10-Jul-13 10:38:47

Anna seems to want to feed every hour this morning and cries as soon as she's put down. Am tearing my hair out. She's my third so feel I should know what I'm doing!

Olimoss Wed 10-Jul-13 10:41:44

Rreow - yes, in West London....

Arlandria - thanks for all that info!

pinkbear82 Wed 10-Jul-13 11:26:19

Learner I know how frustrating that can be and while we were in hospital because she was tube fed she didn't have any sucking to comfort her and they did giver her a dummy. (I was adamant I wasn't going to use a dummy for sleeping etc) however it calmed her straight away and I refused to let her have it for settling to sleep.

Anyways, violet was having feeds every hour this morning and at one point I thought she can't still be nary/thirsty so removed nipple and inserted dummy.... Calmed right away and instantly started fighting the sleep. Just a thought.

And please don't feel like you should know what you are doing - you do know what you are doing, being a great mum, to a new baby. Xx

learnermummy Wed 10-Jul-13 12:03:29

Thanks pinkbear smile. Am not against dummies and have tried one this morning but she kept spitting it out like it was choking her! I put up with the screaming for half an hour then gave in. She had a 5 min 'drink' and then slept for an hour, so maybe she was just thirsty!

pinkbear82 Wed 10-Jul-13 15:45:55

Lol little buggers aren't they! Hope it's been a better afternoon.

Steffanoid Wed 10-Jul-13 16:35:01

ladies im trying to canvas opinions, a lot of people think im very committed making a bottle up each feed, this is new mums themselves and even a nursery worker, they will sterilize 6 bottles, fill them with their amount of water, leave to cool and then add the formula as and when needed, one of them even adds the powder when it's hot, refrigerate and warm to room temperature as needed.

I know what tge pack of formula says and the hv, how do you guys do it?

MrsBri Wed 10-Jul-13 17:01:21

Steff, the warm water kills bugs in the formula, so I wouldn't let it cool before making it.

We make up a few bottles, refrigerate them and heat them as we need them, no more than 12 or so hours after making them.

Hawkmoth Wed 10-Jul-13 17:05:45

The MW told us to make it up with room temp water, totally different to four years ago. We're making up three bottles, from water that's only boiled five minutes ago and putting them straight in the fridge. DS did ok on this. Can't understand how the guidance changes so often.

Steffanoid Wed 10-Jul-13 17:11:09

that was how I understood it Mrs bri, but there are so many people who make it conflicting ways, the box says once you've made it use within 2 hours,

how can so many people do one thing so different to each other?

curiousgeorgie Wed 10-Jul-13 17:13:40

Steff I boil the kettle, fill six bottles, add the formula, let the bottles cool then put them in the fridge. I think we were told that you can't put them in the fridge warm / hot because then bacteria can grow.

We then warm them as and when we need them and use within an hour of warming. For going out I put a cold one in a cool bottle bag and heat it while I'm out / take a carton and a sterilised bottle and give it at room temperature.

Everyone I know does it slightly differently to be honest and all the babies are fine wink

forgetmenots Wed 10-Jul-13 20:14:55

I was just coming on to ask the question about formula!! Love this thread smile

curlyclaz13 Wed 10-Jul-13 20:20:15

Oscar has been screaming all afternoon, not a hungry cry but feeds if offered. I think it might be wind but not sure. I wish I could tell and make him better sad

forgetmenots Wed 10-Jul-13 20:24:15

Meant to say steff I've been making it up every feed too, and spending a fortune using ready made - but now I'm filling some bottles with boiled water, allowing to cool and adding formula as and when. HV suggested this but I wanted to ask as the box says different!