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Dec 08 - three is the new two.

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Vagolajahooli Fri 28-Jun-13 13:23:29

Well it seems appropriate you cheeky breeders.

Vagolajahooli Fri 28-Jun-13 13:28:46

Hope you all found it after the false start. Posting from my phone so a little harder to cut & paste

Happy Birthday Beans.

My phone killed a post yesterday so I didn't post a long one and now I can't remember.

Invis did I ask when & where you are ggoing in Australia? I feel bad I have no idea what you do, but I'm sure other people do and no wonder they want to listen to you.

Ooh, nice one vag.
I hope this thread is not clairvoyant though. I'm definitely happy to stop at two (although my period is worryingly late confused).

JamInMyWellies Fri 28-Jun-13 13:40:37

Thanks VAG, I too have no idea what invis does.

Spot gwan you know you want to.

Already the OMG you are massive comments have started, honestly am I the only woman in the world who shows early and has big bumps.

NO I DON'T, JAM!!! I am happy to live vicariously through other people's pregnancies and yummy babies but I could not do it all again!

How annoying re-the bump size comments. Do you have a stock response to them?

sybilfaulty Fri 28-Jun-13 14:21:00

Thanks for new thread

Mckayz Fri 28-Jun-13 14:35:49

Thanks for new thread Vag.

Happy Birthday Beans.

Spot, 3 is a lovely number!! grin

Rubena Fri 28-Jun-13 14:55:06

Thanks for the thread!
Eek 3 would do me in.... (but I'm v happy for all the wanting 3 clubbers! grin)

Rubena Fri 28-Jun-13 14:57:56

oh, and isn't Invis in the world of law???

DeidreBarlow Fri 28-Jun-13 15:00:04

Marking my place! 3 would be divorce for me seeing as DH has been snipped!!grin

Rubena Fri 28-Jun-13 15:01:55

grin @ Deids!

beans37 Fri 28-Jun-13 17:19:42

Thanks guys. Lovely day, including McDonalds (Bleugh) and Despicable Me 2 after nursery this morning. Brilliant film! Loved it! Had both DDs on my knee for most of it, so poor bump has been fairly roundly squashed for a couple of hours!

Got more than 20 cards, which was lovely! And lots of lovely presents from DH and the the girls. And jewellery from Mum and one sister and a rather childish purse from other sister! And a pair of fire bellows from ILs. Slightly random!

Out to v posh pub for dinner tomorrow night. Hurrah! X

beans37 Fri 28-Jun-13 17:37:06

Jam, I get constant comments about size of bump. They were references to big at early stages and now everyone says I'm neat, so who knows!

I'm also having v painful stabbing pains in ovary area, like bad period pains. I've forgotten if that's normal? Reassurance please!

And am going to buy a tarp and cheapo towels! Thank you! X

Artichook Fri 28-Jun-13 18:44:24

So have you decided on a home birth Beans? Exciting! How many weeks are you now?

DS asleep already I just have to work up tge courage to try the arms to cot transfer, in in no rush though as DH is left wrangling the girls while I am sitting quietly on our bed MNing and listening to Radio 4. Sometimes BFing is the perfect excuse.. Night three with no colic (so far, touch wood etc). I was sooooo sceptical about cranial osteopathy but since that treatment he has been a different baby. I honestly don't get it as they only laid their hands gently on his head but he was oddly calm as they did it and has cried so much less ever since. He is still more windy than the girls but he is a lot, lot better. Not sure what to make of it all.

beans37 Fri 28-Jun-13 18:47:32

How amazing, Arti! Something to bear in mind for DC3 as DD2 was a an unholy nightmare bit of a difficult baby.

Am 28 weeks on Sunday. Shit! Nervous.

JamInMyWellies Fri 28-Jun-13 19:30:50

Arti that is great news. We did CO with both of ours. Particularly for DS1 who had a quite traumatic birth. It was fantastic. Went to this fab place in the city thats a charity so you only paid what you could afford.

Beans well done on the HB I am pondering it too. Especially if I have a Christmas day birth.

Artichook Fri 28-Jun-13 19:33:12

We went to that charity place too Jam. Brilliant!

I hadn't clocked that you are due at Christmas, another Dec baby but a five year gap. Can't believe we were all preggo and chatting half a decade ago!

Honsandrevels Fri 28-Jun-13 19:35:13

Thanks for the new thread vag.

Happy birthday beans, glad you had a lovely day.

Lady your description of dd1 and dd2 was spookily like my two even down to dp calling her wicked! I've told DH wicked is a bit strong. My dd2 doesn't bite (touch wood) but lashes out causing really deep scratches. Dd1 has a bit of a scar on her face from one attack.

Oh and I understand completely with the 'where's the drink/snack/book/camera etc Grrrrrrr

Yes me too Rubes, I'm thrilled for those that want 3 and love hearing all about it but I'm watching from the sidelines grin.

Arti Fab news on ds.

Vagolajahooli Fri 28-Jun-13 21:52:52

Spot its not obligatory, or a prediction. I take no responsibility for any 'happy accidents'.

Kayz I forgot to say we've been to a few Tour de Fance last days in Paris. I'm happy to give advice for your mum, where to watch etc. One thing I will say is if they can take a little step ladder or something they can unfold and stand on they should. The crowd along the champs is usually about 4-5 deep but it doesn't matter if they can get a step above them they will still have a great view. If they want to spend a bit extra they could look at getting into one of the special tents with seating.

Anyhoo I'm happy to help with any questions.

Vagolajahooli Fri 28-Jun-13 21:56:56
Vagolajahooli Fri 28-Jun-13 21:58:31

this is what we have

TheInvisibleHand Fri 28-Jun-13 22:06:26

Vag - its Melbourne then Sydney i'm going to - first too weeks of August more or less, which did not make me too popular at home. First trip to Australia so am pretty excited about it.

Rubes has the right idea on what I do. Probably can't be Mich more specific without outing myself

Lady - yes, it is a new free school did goes to and it worked out well. D's will go there too and he practically owns the place already. No worries there.

Can't post more now but happy birthday beans!

Vagolajahooli Fri 28-Jun-13 22:15:25

Oh that's nice, we will be in Australia at the same time, though I'll be up in sunny QLD. It will be cold when you go over but it should still be nice, it's around 15 degrees this time of year in Sydney though it can get upto 20. Melbourne is a bit colder but is a great city at anytime of year, yummy restaurants.

JamInMyWellies Sat 29-Jun-13 08:47:24

Bollocks girls am bleeding.

Artichook Sat 29-Jun-13 11:09:03

Oh Jammie, I hope you and the baby are OK. You are well into the second tri now aren't you? Hopefully the baby is fine. Are you on your way to the hospital? Thinking of you lots and lots and sending white light. xx

DeidreBarlow Sat 29-Jun-13 11:16:00

Oh no jam! Am praying everything is okay. I'm sure your at the hospital now but am thinking of you x

sybilfaulty Sat 29-Jun-13 11:33:47

Oh darling, so sorry to hear this! Am sure you are at the hospital - hope you get reassuring news. Am thinking of you and sending love XXX

JamInMyWellies Sat 29-Jun-13 11:46:03

Spoke to midwife, they said take it easy and keep an eye on it. If it gets worse to go to A&E where they will transfer me to the epu. Also spoke to my dsis who is a midwife she said the same.

beans37 Sat 29-Jun-13 13:31:38

Jam, am thinking of you. Are you ok? What's happening? X

JamInMyWellies Sat 29-Jun-13 14:04:33

There has been no more. So that's good but have got sort of period pain but can't decide whether I am just imagining it.

Artichook Sat 29-Jun-13 14:26:35

That's good news that the bleeding has stopped. Can you take paracetamol so you don't obsess about the pains? Also make sure you do rest. Will they scan you if you go to the EPU? If do I might be inclined to go.

Rubena Sat 29-Jun-13 14:34:58

Oh dear Jam. Hope all is well. Id be tempted to go in anyway, for piece of mind. Is it far? Hope you're ok.
Keep us posted and sending positive thoughts that all is fine x

DeidreBarlow Sat 29-Jun-13 14:44:06

Jam if its not too far and you can get someone to watch the boys can you go to the EPU? Surely they would scan you and you'd get some peace of mind x

JamInMyWellies Sat 29-Jun-13 15:03:01

According to my midwife, they cant refer me as I am still under 20 wks (16wks) That I need to speak to a gp and get them to refer me or go to A&E. They and my DSIS think its because DH and I had sex this morning and thats what started it. I will see how we go for the rest of the day and if it starts again will go straight to A&E.

beans37 Sat 29-Jun-13 16:46:53

That's ridiculous! They'll do a scan at 6-8 weeks but not at 16??? Seems nonsense to me. Do head to A&E if you're fretting. Chin up lovely girl and do take paracetamol as Arti suggested xx

sybilfaulty Sat 29-Jun-13 19:12:39

In my area you self refer to EPU. I knew them all by name at one point as I went so often. If you've had sex, chances are just bruising of tissue which is engorged with extra blood flow etc. poor you. Take it easy and lots of love x

Honsandrevels Sat 29-Jun-13 20:34:15

Oh Jam, lots of love to you. It is much more likely to be something innocuous at 16 weeks.

Mckayz Sat 29-Jun-13 20:39:23

Jam, got everything crossed for you.

JamInMyWellies Sat 29-Jun-13 22:22:57

Thanks everyone. There has been no more just sort if occasional sludge (sorry) when I wipe. My DSIS is coming down next wkend and is going to bring her sonic heartbeat thing to check for me.

Thanks again lovelies.

beans37 Sun 30-Jun-13 07:31:37

Hope you got some sleep last night Jam? How's things this morning? Any better? Hope so.

Went out for birthday supper last night with DH, which was just lovely. We had a really great time. DDs kicked off when we left, which has never happened before. I was a bit flummoxed about what to do. Luckily they calmed down a bit before we went and our sitter was lovely. They don't really know her so think they were a bit insecure. Although she is an assistant at DD2's playgroup.

All well this morning though. Phew.

beans37 Sun 30-Jun-13 21:23:48

Where is everyone??

TheInvisibleHand Sun 30-Jun-13 23:07:40

Jam - fingers crossed, glad it sounds like everything has calmed down.

Beans - sounds like a nice night.

DH and I managed to escape (for the first time ever since DD was born) to have an overnight away without the DCs. Didn't go far, just to Suffolk and had a really lovely time. We weren't gone for long but it felt like a real holiday and felt like ourselves a bit. DCs had a ball with their old nanny, who they were really happy to see and who was glad of the chance to spoil them. A good thing all round. We are so hopeless at prioritising this sort of thing - but we really should do it more often.

Rubena Mon 01-Jul-13 08:21:01

sounds lovely Invis, and well overdue! We plan to do a lot more of that soon!
Glad everything sort of stopped Jam, and your sister can give you some reassurance at the weekend. Nerve wracking stuff.

I had a small head injury last week which is causing a lot of inconvenience! Was taking the dog to her routine Vet appt and decided to run there - fine. Stopped to tie shoelace up near low clearance (at side) brick bridge (tow path goes under) when jogger came other direction out of blue, dog spooked and projected me into brick bridge. Massive egg instantly and bleeding, managed to call dh who was out on bike trailer doing nursery run, he only had a spare pair of ds pants with him which had to mop up with during Vet visit. Only a graze but now the internal blood has tracked south and eye is completely black and swollen and at half mast. I have to work on Wed and it's not pretty. I'd be able to cover this graze enough but can't really disguise the eye. Hoping it goes down very fast hmm

Rubena Mon 01-Jul-13 08:21:33

glad you had a nice B'day Beans. I love posh pubs

JamInMyWellies Mon 01-Jul-13 08:29:52

God Rubes that sounds hideous. Glad you are ok though.

Invis that sounds lovely, I love a night away with DH it just reminds you to be you again. SO lovely.

Beans mmmm yummy food.

So am having a total nervous breakdown re bleed and although its stopped am being a bit mental. So have spoken to my lovely midwife this morning who is happy for me to pop up to the birthing unit and have a quick listen for the HB.

DeidreBarlow Mon 01-Jul-13 09:30:48

Jam, I'm sure the MW can give you some reassurance. No wonder your stressing though!! Thinking if you.

Rubes your head injury sounds like its got worse not better! Really hope the eye goes down for Wednesday.

So I have my meeting at DS school later this aft. Can't be arsed but must go hmm

JamInMyWellies Mon 01-Jul-13 11:28:23

I have been seen and heard the HB so all ok. There seemed to be some confusion as to why I wasn't booked in for a 16wk check anyway as I wasn't scheduled to see the midwife until 21wks. So anyway all good nothing to worry about. Thank you all for your kind words.

Artichook Mon 01-Jul-13 11:31:14

I hope you have heard the HV now Jam. Thinking of you.

Rubes, you poor thing, that sounds awful. Are you in pain? Will work let you work when obviously injured?

Good luck with the school mtg Deids.

Yesterday was my birthday and we had such a lovely day. DH's work had a family fun day at a sports ground. The sun shone and there were bouncy castles, bungee trampolines, face painting, a pool, gorgeous food, a celeb tennis match which bizarrely featured the Govenor, Michael McIntyre, Andrew Strauss and a former Wimbledon champ, then a cricket match with various government ministers and famous cricketers. All very odd but fun to watch while sipping Pimms. All three kids were on top form too. It was bliss but DS making me pay today by being rather fussy. He is a tricky one is DS, I can't always work out what's wrong when he is cross.

Mckayz Mon 01-Jul-13 11:37:41

That is wonderful news Jam. Very relieved for you.

That sounds painful Rubes. Hope the bruising goes down soon.

Arti, that sounds like a fun day.

beans37 Mon 01-Jul-13 12:16:44

Arti, maybe the Pimms?? Hee hee! What a lovely sounding day.

Rubes, you poor thing. How miserable. Really hope it goes down for work!

JamInMyWellies Mon 01-Jul-13 12:26:54

We were gong to go to that Arti but boys had a party then we were out in the eve so couldn't go.

Dieds good luck this arvo.

Rubena Mon 01-Jul-13 14:05:38

Jam, so glad you got some reassurance. I was thinking about you today and thinking - geez I'd be the same and I'd have to get peace of mind before your dsis can make it - and then you did! smile

Arti, sounds like a lovely day. went to ds's school fayre on Sat as dh working. Didn't go quite as well as numerous stares at the head I'm sure assuming I'm a subject of domestic violence or something as it looks exactly like I've been punched in the face, then a disaster with the bouncy castle as too many bigger kids and had to get refund and put them on the under 5's castle -much to their disgust after the open day at the leisure centre the other day and they practically had a giant castle / slide to themselves!

Anyway, thanks all. I'm in no pain - not since day 1 really but did keep the co-codomol levels up on day 1 but none since! I just look like a freak and not sure work would be happy about that. Dropped off kids at nursery and had to tell the story again in dd's room, then ds's teacher said "Great just in time for show and tell" so ds proceeded to tell the class that "mummy headbutted a bridge" and to make it worse they were doing "safety awareness week" at nursery and were very pleased with my contribution!
Right, was able to cancel hair appointment as friend is coming tomorrow for hair and fizz grin She's been at Glastonbury, and didn't get conformation she was coming tmrw so had a back up appt! But all good she seems to have recovered, and I won't have to tell my story 3 times at the salon to the colour girl, cutter, and blow dry girl!

Rubena Mon 01-Jul-13 14:32:54

Oh, and Vag - you'd be very pleased with my homeopathic approach to this! I found in the cupboard the stuff I took for my CS's - (will never know if it helped but since I had amazing recovery and not much pain, I'm going with it) anyway I have regular Arnica pills which has directions on, but also have this blend of stuff that was sent to me from Helios in London, which was specifically for surgery healing etc and also bruising. It doesn't have any directions though, so I'm just kind of popping them left and right hmm anyhow, the label says "ARN/Bell-P/Calen/HYPER/STAPH 200 4gp Pillules" Any advice? or just take them like the Arnica, and hope all this lentil weaving stuff has some benefit grin
Even if they do nothing, and it's just my brilliant healing genes, I'd rather them not sitting around in the cupboard as I remember they weren't cheap!

beans37 Mon 01-Jul-13 15:20:44

Rubes, you do make me laugh!

Went to midwife for 28 week check. Said I'd like a homebirth, but I don't really like her very much. She measured me and said I was only measuring 22 weeks, which was scary. Then measured again and said, oh it's 26 weeks this time, not so bad. Hmmm. I'd rather she'd just kept schtum and re measured quietly. I am now all concerned. And am worried I'll get her for me homebirth, which I don't really want.

Meantime DD2 sick everywhere this morning. Haven't had another episode, but she is v fractious and am hoping she'll nod off on the sofa whilst goggling this afternoon. We've don't Action Tots and she did join in, which is good. But she's now clearly gone peaky. Hey ho.

Jam how are you actually feeling? Are you ok?

DeidreBarlow Mon 01-Jul-13 16:39:00

Ham so glad you heard the HB & got some reassurance.

Meeting was a waste of time!! Same old talks of strategies to control temper which Pre school manager said she hasn't had to use in weeks as he's been fine. They rambled on about him needing his own personal space especially if other children were kicking him or pinching him at carpet time shock. I pointed out that it wasn't DS who needed space but the child(ren) who feel the need to annoy him. Granted DS should keep his hands to himself but I fail to see how it's all DSs fault! HT nodded a lot and said he sounds like he will fit in fine, thanked pre school for their input but will only address any issues that they see as an issue! Thank The Lord for some sensible thinking.

Naughty me though did say I didn't see the Inclusion Woman's comments as relevant as she only observed him for 2 hours, 10 months ago whereas I'd had him for 4.5 yrs. oh and she was sat there wink

beans37 Mon 01-Jul-13 16:55:26

Brilliant work, Deids! Tiger Mother instincts doing a great job there! Head sounds like a very sensible person. Hurrah!

Rubena Mon 01-Jul-13 17:06:15

Exactly Deids, glad you spoke up.

Vag, where are you??? I'm popping these pillules like there's no tomorrow! Guess they're hardly Codeine..... hmm

beans37 Mon 01-Jul-13 17:07:17

Have you googled the ingredients, Rubes?? Maybe hold back and see how you cope without?

JamInMyWellies Mon 01-Jul-13 17:14:16

Well done dieds. grin

Beans I think the measuring thing is not really something to worry to much about. What would the chances be of getting that midwife if you have home birth?

I feel ok thanks for asking. Just my irrational head getting one over my rational head. Will sleep much better tonight I would think. Am starting prego yoga tonight so will be all zen like. gringrin.

beans37 Mon 01-Jul-13 18:16:21

I loved preggy yoga with DD1. With DD2, I used to tell DH I was going to preggy yoga, but actually took my book to a local pub and have a soft drink and read for an hour! Evil me. Just needed some peace and quiet!

I don't a know chances of having that midwife. Wonder who I can ask without being rude! Just don't fancy having her peering up my vag (no offence intended, Vagahola).

Rubena Mon 01-Jul-13 18:25:33

Oh I don't think I'm playing with too much fire here Beans. winkIt's just to reduce the bruising. I'm not even convinced it does anything anyway!
Never did bother with preggy yoga. Might be too tree huggy for me. -She says as downs concoction of herbs and flowers in a desperate attempt to give anything a go! grin
I love that you wagged yoga and went to the pub. I couldn't as I'd be tempted to have a wine spritzer hmm

Rubena Mon 01-Jul-13 18:26:38

Yes I see how you like to avoid that midwife Beans. She's all over the shop! Just get dh to measure you.

JamInMyWellies Mon 01-Jul-13 18:47:48

Be careful Rubes you might wake up wearing a hemp nightie and drinking elderflower tea. grin

DeidreBarlow Mon 01-Jul-13 18:48:09

shock rubes you junkie!!wink How is the eye?

I once went to yoga (non preggo version). I had to pretend I was a tree, seriously! I only went once. Not my thing. However I can see how it could be relaxing during pregnancy, though I would have found a spritzer and a good book more relaxing!grin Naughty beans wagging Yoga!

DeidreBarlow Mon 01-Jul-13 18:49:13

Ha ha Rubes in a hemp nightie grin gringrin love it jam. Enjoy the yoga & a peaceful nights sleep.

Rubena Mon 01-Jul-13 19:07:31

Dear God, brilliant! Any such nightie would give me nightmares!
The eye is looking much better.... Must be the Arnica overdose.

dh is now not on call, but doing a late list hmm not sure what the effing difference is - still won't be home before kids asleep! Cannot believe they have been collected from nursery, and in the bath without so far any..............

was actually about to type screams or fights, when dd just let out a massive shriek as ds pushed her in the bath and she clunked her hair. Barely visible scratch, but she's convinced it matches mine and needs medicine hmm

Honsandrevels Mon 01-Jul-13 19:58:56

Hello everyone,

Jam That's fantastic news. Hope the pregnancy yoga is nice and zen like.

deids Well done! Your DS doesn't like being pinched at carpet time? Who does? hmmWhat an odd thing for them to say. The HT sounds as though she has the situation weighed up well.

Rubes Ouch, that sounds painful. I thought it was impossible to overdose in that sort of thing <disclaimer: not medically qualified>

beans You could ask about the number of midwives they have on the rota and how likely it is that you'll have a midwife you have had before. That might give you some idea. If she says, 'I do all home births'then you can rethink!

That measuring thing is entirely unscientific.

arti Sounds like a fun afternoon. I suppose even when you've had two babies before all babies are different. Is he more settled now?

Can any of you tall ladies (rubes, arti?) point me in the direction of where to get dresses that are long enough in the body? I find that since having the DDs, when dresses ride up to empire line they look like maternity frocks.

We're seeing friends soon and I know I'm being unkind but I'm really not looking forward to it. Our friend is the man in the couple and his gf is so critical and sour it makes even the most nice day uterly joyless. She also harps on with her views on parenting. Often it isn't what she says but the way she says it. E.g before her DC was born she was very keen to bf, fair enough, but added that anyone who didn't try bf was cruel confused. However when bf didn't work out for her she was bitchy about bfing friends who just fed their babies all the time and made their babies clingy. She is bloody annoying. I'm thinking of trying out the MN staple 'did you mean to sound so rude?' on her when she makes passive aggressive comments on what my dds are wearing/eating etc. That or shout at her really loudly grin.

Vagolajahooli Tue 02-Jul-13 12:26:07

Hons that is excellent I think I might use that. In fact I'm gonna tell a friend about it as she would love to use it on someone she knows in Oz.

Just popping in quickly I'm having trouble keeping up as have a shed load of readings to do. Why do these people need to write 50 page articles surely they could summarise the main points they are trying to get across in a 3 page or better 3 paragraph article. Loving the topic as I can relate to my experience but just a lot of reading

So I can't respond to everyone but Rubes am I to understand that you're just taking all the homoeopathic meds not just the arnica. Basically it will support your system so not bad but it may not do anything. Just watch belladonna it shouldn't be taken in high doses. And some of the meds can elicit an emotional response. I can't remember which ones but I had to take one to help my migraines and it did help but also caused a huge emotional response, I'm talking mega.

Jam hope you are feeling reassured now, the reason they jump to do scans with bleeding at 6 weeks but not so fussed at 16 weeks is that bleeding at 6 weeks can be an indicator for ectopic pregnancy which obviously is a medical emergency. At 16 weeks can be just par for the pregnancy or something else which is not so good but not necessarily life threatening for the mum. In the majority it is harmless so they jusy have a listen if that is possible. Also Jam with DS2 @ this stage I was still under the NHS and they insisted as it wasn't my first pregnancy I didn't need a 16 week check up. I swear they make it up as they go along.

Beans I can understand your frustration with the HB, I think you need to find a MW you can talk to about it andfind out if you csn refuse that not very good one. I remembered one who couldn't even take a blood pressure, I ended up talking her student through it. Made the decision to go for the independent MW easier. You've got to be comfortable with it all, most MW are amazing really, but the not very nice ones seem to be absolutely horrendous and can really change the course of the birth.

Rubena Tue 02-Jul-13 19:57:18

Ah thanks vag but doesn't matter. homeopathic stuff is not my thing to say the least, just thought I'd use up what someone sent me ages ago. I've never really truly believed it did squat.
Dh at work tonight so kids in bed and enjoying a red. That rhymes.

Eye still purple
Hay fever killing me slowly.

Vagolajahooli Tue 02-Jul-13 20:14:48

Oh you poor thing it is evil.

I've just discovered that virgin has a paying lounge for club members at Heathrow woot woot. We have 5 hours to kill there on the 17th and was envisaging wandering around WH smith forever. But instead I can book in and chill out with the boys and maybe have some dinner before the flight woohoo. Might check if there are any paid lounges at Singapore too.

Anyone watching Wimbledon?

Rubena Tue 02-Jul-13 20:24:42

Vag what airline are you on? Sounds like a Code share. Virgin doesn't fly to Singapore.

JamInMyWellies Tue 02-Jul-13 20:32:16

Vag check you bank acc services. We have a premier barclays acc and with it we get airport angel cards which allow us free use of lounges all over the world. Tis v handy when travelling.

Vagolajahooli Tue 02-Jul-13 20:42:05

Oh no I don't mean a virgin lounge in Singapore just any paying lounge. Most of the Asian airports have paying lounges. KL & Hong Kong def do. I'm pretty sure Singapore does. The London terminal 3 lounge is a virgin lounge for club members and you pay according to your club level. I'm only red so I have to pay £52 for the boys & I. It's a lot but to be honest by the time we have dinner and buy bribes to keep them occupied I'd be paying close to that at restaurants & WH Smith.

Vagolajahooli Tue 02-Jul-13 20:42:57

Thanks Jam we have an ABN Amro gold card so may well have something for us.

Rubena Tue 02-Jul-13 20:47:03

Agreed Vag - well worth it.
Yeah we have that with Natwest. And travel insurance and so on - they suck at banking though.

Vagolajahooli Tue 02-Jul-13 20:55:12

Oh know aren't they. I was with them when I first went to the UK and they were abysmal. DH was with Barclays they were also not much chop. They wanted to meet me and interview me before they would let me have a joint bank account with him! I was with first direct who said "yeah sure we'll let him on your account".

Mckayz Tue 02-Jul-13 21:12:41

I love Natwest. Never had a single problem with them. I left HSBC as they were so useless.

beans37 Wed 03-Jul-13 08:00:27

I'm with Kayz!

Vagolajahooli Wed 03-Jul-13 09:18:20

Omg I could get sued for losing them customers if I tol you all of their uselessness. They were so bad that when I went into my branch to close the my account to transfer to First direct the branch manager had to ask the obligatory "and why exactly have you chosen to leave us, is there anything we can do to change your mind" I reeled off a couple of the things they had done, she just "oh yes I can understand your decision, there is not much I can do in that case". Bless her, she was quite embarrassed. To be honest though the UK banking system is a bit crazy, different people seem to contradict what others have said. NL is not much better. Though they do give kids cool presents when they opena accounts.

Bloody hell it's bucketing down here I think we are getting the weather you had yesterday. The poor kids, it's their sports day today and they said they would email whether it was cancelled this morning. At 7.30 they said it would go ahead as it was cloudy but not raining. At 8.30 I took the kids to the sports field in the pouring rain. All the teachers where trying to sort out what activities they could still do in the slosh of the sports fields while us parents where making excuses of things we needed to go do then would pop back later. Thank fully the Directeress finally saw sense and called it off. So I'm home now thinking about starting an assessment.

Indith how's your study going.

Jam how are you this morning.

Kayz I saw on FB that DD is walking, how are you feeling about that?

Right better go do some work.

Rubena Wed 03-Jul-13 09:23:51

Natwest Private - the only thing private is their bank managers - so private you can never get hold of them. 'Helpful Banking' my arse.

Mckayz Wed 03-Jul-13 09:44:06

I'd never leave Natwest after all the shit I had with HSBC.

Vag, she took 5 steps and has not done it again. So maybe it was a one off fingers crossed, I'm not ready grin

Rubena Wed 03-Jul-13 10:25:08

we won't either Kayz, mainly as they get you with the longevity thing [sigh] but I also believe they're all as bad as each other.
wow walking minikayz!

JamInMyWellies Wed 03-Jul-13 11:38:20

FFS ruddy dog is chasing something have been stood in the middle of a field bellowing his name for 20 mins. angry

All good today Vag no more bleeding starting to feel a bit of movement now which is nice.

Kayz I can't believe she is walking. Clever girl.

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 11:51:59

Hello, lovely ladies! Blimey, I've got 83 posts to read I see! Excellent, I'll make another coffee. Apart from usual hecticness I got ill (bronchitis plus a few extra thrills) so I have been off the radar a bit. Anyway, the good news is that I have just been told we are getting an offer letter in the post for the mortgage smile So this means we can may off a few debts, finish off the house a bit, sort the garden, get a conservatory or convert the outbuildings...and have another baby if I have got the cojones....Not sure I have grin Time will tell...Right, now to read the entire thread so far. Good title Vag.

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 12:23:27

Jam, I am so so glad you are ok - was very concerned when I read up thread of your bleeding. Don't get zazzing about, Missy! You need to look after yourself.

Kayz, that is astonishing that DD is walking! DD2 was 16 or 17 months and that was early in our household grin

Rubes, your poor eye. That is really awful! However, forgive me but I have had a little chortle at your adventures in homeopathy grin I dutifully took arnica after my cses, when I remembered. Am not convinced it helped but who bloody knows. However, I do think you have to believe in it a bit for it work. So how is your fitness regime progressing? I see you and DB on Twitter talking about your runs. I can only boggle!

Hons, how was your meeting with your friend and his DW, the Joy Leecher? She sounds blimming awful. People who waste their lives, sitting around and criticising everyone else give me the pip. Plus, I was most amused by the thought that people who don't bf are cruel grin I am indeed Cruella de Milk.

Arti, how is DS? Do you have just one session of Cranial Osteopathy or do you have more as needed? Do you have hols planned?

Sybs - any news on work?

Beans - not sure how it works but can you not ask for a different midwife?

A local friend is having a baby next month. She doesn't know the sex. She has two boys and really fancies a girl. I had a dream the other night and she had a baby girl in it so I wonder if my dreams will predict the future? Beans, I am thinking you are going to have a boy but that is based on nothing more than a hunch!

Banks - I banked with NatWest since I was a student, never found them very good. Changed to HSBC a few years ago and found them brilliant, but that was when I had the HSBC Premier Account. Since they demoted me to the ordinary account they are are quite crap. However, NatWest have just given us a mortgage, for which I am v grateful. Basically, I think they're much of a muchness. DP is with Barclays. Don't think much to them either.

I went to see Baz Luhrmann's Great Gatsby the other night and I really loved it. And I am a real fusspot about book adaptations.

Vagolajahooli Wed 03-Jul-13 12:53:33

Hooroo lady! If you like the great gatsby then I might give it a go. Have been umming & arring because I loved the book and don't want it ruined. But I do love a bit of Uncle Bazza.

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 13:00:31

It's a pretty faithful adaptation, Vag. Aside from the use of a simple framing device. It is also very well cast and just full of the usual verve and colour that you'd expect from Baz. I just loved it, could watch it all again.

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 13:01:00

Also, the sour reviews (in this country anyway) really annoyed me.

Rubena Wed 03-Jul-13 13:06:42

Yay Lady! So pleased the mortgage came through - can't wait to see the progress on the house. Big weight off your mind I bet. And wow does that mean you are officially "trying" for #3??? I'm excited (if its what you truly want) and as I remember, you don't actually seem to need to "try" wink
Health kick is going well (though I wish I'd started earlier)- Deids (and recently Vag) is a great mentor grin but it's actually going to be a way of life now as I'm not going to get lazy every Winter like the normal pattern! But rather carry on now that ds will be at school and dd 3 days a week nursery, so I can manage to keep getting / then staying fit! I'm quite enjoying it. Just waiting for dh to ride (40 miles) home from work so I can go out before I have to get ready for work! It appears dh is getting back on the bike......! And gym gear packed in the overnight bag grin

Eye is now a shade of brown and yellow. Hoping to apply loads of makeup and cover most of it. Worst part is, my head is better pretty much, so the bruising around my eye looks like something completely separate!
Yes I think Arnica and the like is not really anything other than a mind thing. Just reading a few things supports that.
Anyway, if it works for some - great hmm and why not.

Rubena Wed 03-Jul-13 13:07:07

oh Bummer I wanted to watch that......

DeidreBarlow Wed 03-Jul-13 13:23:54

Woo hoo great news on the mortgage Lady!

I bank with Natwest and have since they gave the pigs out!!blush Obviously they've allowed me to have a debit card since wink

Jam glad things have calmed down for you. Take it easy!

Yes rubes I'm with you on making this a long term exercise thing. I'm doing the shred till my hols so that'll be more like 40 days. But then plan on doing something at least 4 days a week. Might try mixing in a bit is swimming when the weather cools off

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 14:07:16

I remember those pigs, DB grin Gosh, they must have suckered in damn near every kid in Britain with those gurning china piggies.

As for #3, Rubes, it does not mean we are officially trying grin It means I need to get my head round whether it's what I really want - or not. Trouble is, I am no further forward in my head. This is an example of how my mind swings on basically a daily basis - we have just drawn up new wills and that sets me off thinking that family is all that's important, another child would be the most precious thing in the world...Then the last couple of days, being ill, the house chaos, finding it hard to cope with the girls even though they are (for their age) really well behaved and low maintenance...feeling tired and old even on a proper night's sleep...The dreaded pregnancy insomnia which messes with my mental health...Worrying about upsetting the apple cart with the girls...so...I just don't know. Although I got pregnant easily both times I really cannot believe that the same thing would happen at 41 - would it? Although I did read a long piece in the Times on Sat, written by a fertility doctor (woman) who says that declining levels of fertility in your late 30s/very early 40s have been overstated. I would be a bit scared of having a healthy one though. Still, my granny had her last one when she was mid-late 40s (that will not be me, I hasten to add...)

Mckayz Wed 03-Jul-13 14:47:46

I'm going to be really unhelpful and say DO IT grin my 3 are super even if I am shattered.

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 15:07:09

Actually Kayz, like you, everyone I know with 3 (quite a few round here) seem thrilled with it. All extremely happy with their decision. Does not assuage my nagging doubts though...! (Also you are a lot younger than me grin)

Rubena Wed 03-Jul-13 17:07:09

Lol, but who in the world would go on to have a 3rd child then announce anything other than it was a great decision! hmmBut of course ill be so excited if you do truly decide lady, that a 3rd is for you!! gringrin

Rubena Wed 03-Jul-13 17:09:41

I think no matter what, once another child is in anyone's life, it could never be a regretted decision. As it'd be loved so much and every other problem fades away.....
It's making the right decision in the first place I suppose. Anyway. Rambling and don't have time to! Standing by for another preggy announcement.... [excited] !

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 17:15:44

I suppose that's true grin I mean, once a kid is there you usually can't imagine anything else or bear to think of them unborn. Hmmm. My life feels so hectic already, though! Double hmmm. Another baby though...You see, I could go on like this forever but sooner or later I have to decide and that's it.

Mckayz Wed 03-Jul-13 17:30:50

I read on here once that you will never regret a child but you might always regret not having another. My aunt says she has always regretted not having another one.

DeidreBarlow Wed 03-Jul-13 17:31:00

You see I never doubted for a moment that two was my limit. Even if I'd had two girls that was all I wanted. I think the fact that your thinking about it really means you want 3 grin. What does DP think or will he just go with the flow??

JamInMyWellies Wed 03-Jul-13 17:42:12

Lady you could do what DH and I did and just have a month of lets see what happens.

Vagolajahooli Wed 03-Jul-13 17:52:51

Kayz that is true, but my SIL had 4 & still regretted not having another! That is what I worry about, that I will have another and I will still have that feeling of wanting another. I know I will regret not having more, but I also love what we have now. I do hear what mums of three are saying though. I've heard from more than several that they felt their family was complete when no. 3 came along.

Rubes you make me giggle. Hey do you know anything about taking small musical instruments on as hand luggage? DS1's violin teacher would like us to take his violin with us to Australia so he can practice, but I wouldn't want to check it in to the hold, but we will already have the boys 2 trunki car seat back pack things & my little rolly bag thing. I should really call the airline shouldn't I?

Took DS2 to swimming & it was a watch lesson which was nice, (don't like to boast but he is the best in the class, far superior to the other children). Then did the big sprint across to DS1's basketball class. There is a kids playground at the end of the basketball court with a 4 meter high fence to protect from stray balls. Anyhoo ds2 was playing happily and I was sat on a bench near him when all of a sudden I was hit square on the cheek with a ball some kid had kicked from the bball court. He wasn't from ds1's group he was just a kid messing about and he was big. He must have kicked it so hard as even having had to go over the fence and to me who was about 20 meters from where he'd kicked it. He managed to hit me so hard he bent my glasses and has given me one hell of a headache. As you can imagine I was not amused and gave him an earful. There were several little kids in the playground and if it had hit one of them they'd have needed to go to A&E.

Mckayz Wed 03-Jul-13 17:55:28

I definetely do not feel like we are complete yet. I bloody better do when/if we have a 4th. I will not being having more than 4.

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 18:07:30

Oh Vag, that sounds horrid. I bet you felt like swinging for the little twerp.

Jam, I worry if we did that the decision would be taken out of my hands and there'd be another one, pronto!

DP says he is happy either way. He absolutely loves babies but worries about money, spoiling current family unit, and above all having a healthy one as I am so old hmm On a shallow note, the thought of the weight gain makes me very mis as I know I struggle to lose it. I am hardly Kate Moss now but as a rather pudgy size 12 I at least look passable and when I look back at photos of myself when DD1 was a baby it makes me feel terrible. Which is a shame.

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 18:10:07

Now 4 is definitely more than I can contemplate, Kayz grin

I didn't anticipate having more than 2 originally but I knew as soon as I had DD2 I didn't really want it to be the last time. And I haven't been able to chuck out any baby stuff. But that is not exactly a solid or rational basis for having another child!

JamInMyWellies Wed 03-Jul-13 18:18:01

Lady that is exactly why we let mother nature take her own way otherwise we couldnt make our minds up for all the reasons you mention. But the boys are so delighted at the thought of a baby. Lets hope it stays that way once it pops out.

beans37 Wed 03-Jul-13 18:27:05

Ha! Lady, your excuses reasons are EXACTLY the same as mine were. And sometimes I still worry for those very reasons, despite being less than 12 weeks shit away from due date. It does keep me up at night, but also from a 'how the hell am I going to cope' perspective. And fear of ruining my perfect little nest I have now. I do so love my girls and we risked it and, if I'm totally totally honest with myself, it's only in the last week or so that I've actually got excited about the new arrival. I think I've been in a state of denial and slight terror about it. But now I'm thinking how much fun we're going to have. Although I do admit, I do keep also thinking, 'this time in 3 years, we'll be really really happy'!!!!

But I am excited now. Especially when I watch my belly contort into weird shapes as the nipper wiggles around.

I'm treating myself to our lovely teenage sitter this afternoon. She's doing the 4-7 stretch for me. Happens to coincide with Murray match, which is a bonus. I would like Murray to win, but Verdasco is very easy on the eye for the next round if Muzzer gets knocked out!!

beans37 Wed 03-Jul-13 18:29:25

Am also starting to find Djokovic rather sexy.

beans37 Wed 03-Jul-13 18:30:57

Bleugh. Have just remembered I had an erotic dream about Andrew Castle last night. DO NOT FIND HIM SEXY!

beans37 Wed 03-Jul-13 18:36:25

And finally....
Lady, look at what a great job you've done with your girls... Well behaved and low maintenance and that's largely down to you. Just think what a great Mum you are and how lucky a third child would be to have you. Frankly, same goes for all of us!

Vagolajahooli Wed 03-Jul-13 18:52:53

Beans you're definitely having a boy.

Ds2 is driving me nuts at the moment. I ask him what he wants for dinner/lunch he's says one thing I make it for him then he screams & says he doesn't want it. This morning he woke me up screaming and whining about not wanting to go to school/swimming/anywhere. He's just whinged about having to have a wash. I love him to bits but he makes so much of my day a trial. And to make it worse I get so aggravated by him all day that by the 100 whine about something I end up yelling & screaming back at him. Ds1 gets upset but worst of all I've caught them speaking to each other with the same impatience that I speak to DS2. I fear I'm making them both easy to anger and just angry unreasonable men.

beans37 Wed 03-Jul-13 18:58:07

VAG! Please don't think that. They all know exactly how to push our buttons. I love mine, but they drive me to screaming regularly. And use my horrid words (not sweary, but bad tone etc) against each other too, but they, and yours, are good good children, with a good mother, just a worn down one! They'll be fine and so will you.
Re food, if mine refuse what I've made, then I've reached the point where they just have to go without. It's not as bad as it used to be!!

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 18:58:36

Beans, you are talking me round a bit grin Thanks for the lovely compliment but I think I mostly lucked out with the girls. Oh blow, put it like that though and I would love another...it would be madness in many ways but in a few years it could be grand.

Still a bit of soulsearching to do yet, though! And it would be nice to get rid of a bit more weight so I start off slimmer.

Andrew Castle?? Beans, your subconscious needs a serious pep talk! Tennis players are generally quite hot though. And I still fancy Boris Becker! I don't usually go for blokes with that sort of colouring.

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 19:01:42

Go easy on yourself Vag. The food thing can be such a nightmare. I do sympathise. Your boys know you are potty about you and if you lose it now and again (as I can promise WE ALL do) well, they will know you're not a flamin' robot. Your boys will be gems when they are men - I say that with utter certainty.

Vagolajahooli Wed 03-Jul-13 19:06:09

I don't know whether he just doesn't listen and thinks "oh she just asked me a question I'd better say yes" & then later he's thinking "why have we got meat balls for dinner I don't want these". Today I asked him he wanted a cheese tosti for lunch he said yes, I made gave it to him, straight away "I dooonnnt waaaannnnnt ttthhhiiiiiisssss!". Then this afternoon we were at the super market & I said "would you like meat balls for dinner, shall I buy some meatballs" "yes mummy", then tonight he acts all horrified that I gave him meatballs for dinner. I'm considering videoing him saying yes to something to play back to him later, but suspect that maybe a little immature.

Vagolajahooli Wed 03-Jul-13 19:12:24

Who is watching the Murray game?

Thanks ladies

Vagolajahooli Wed 03-Jul-13 19:13:27

I'm not seeing what your seeing in Verdasco Beans.

beans37 Wed 03-Jul-13 19:16:14

Maybe don't ask for his opinion on it? I always do and it always ends up in a row! So I should learn from my own mistake and just give it to them. I've done it a few times and although they've argued a bit, they generally eat it in the end! Food is such a bone of contention for everyone!

Mckayz Wed 03-Jul-13 19:38:46

I have always fancied Andrew Castle. Yum yum yum!!!

I have stopped asking DS2 what he wants for breakfast. I just dump something in front of him. He wanted cereal and never bloody ate it. I threw so much away that now he gets what I decide and usually it is eaten. Bizarre.

Rubena Wed 03-Jul-13 19:41:52

Hmm don't know vag. Depends on airline. I think it's not really given any extra allowances and just gets included / counted in your cabin luggage etc. but check with Singapore as in not entirely sure. I know if it was a big cello or something it gets its own seat but has to pay a charge.
Yeah that would be what Id panic about - having a healthy child, but I worried about that at 35! Family unit thing - I don't think the children get too rocked. The girls would love a baby and they always adapt. I think it's something you two have to decide yourselves duh obviously rubes I know! But you know what I mean.
Deids I know- I was quite excited selling baby gear on eBay and watching the cash roll in. Guess that makes it clear. Had to book hire car for my brother the other day for our hols and you should have seen me cursing with trying to fit his 3 in a sensibly priced car! But. Small thing I know - just depends what you want more.
Vag ds can be exactly the same! I just say its that or nothin. Then he eats it. Same with dd. but ds way less fussy.
Right must go as at work now.

Rubena Wed 03-Jul-13 19:43:23

4 Kayz. Crikey!

DeidreBarlow Wed 03-Jul-13 19:58:40

I can see the attraction of Verdasco but Andrew Castleshockgrin

Don't go there on food DS is a nightmare! That said when I look at it over z week it could be worse. Children are sent to test our patience, push our buttons and look too cute while they are doing it!!

JamInMyWellies Wed 03-Jul-13 20:05:35

Andrew Castle is positively a dreamboat compared to who I dreamt about last night. Peter Crouch blush I mean Peter Crouch for gods sake!

The DS' are bloody rubbish at eating DS2 more so than DS1. Quite often they go to bed having eaten nothing as once a week I cook something that I know they wont eat as I need them to start hopefully at least tasting something different than bloody beige food.

So am bleeding a little again tonight. Tis completely my own fault. Ended up chasing the dog over a field to catch him, then this afternoon I moved a chest of drawers and then moved another upstairs. I took the drawers out so it wasnt exactly super heavy but I guess a bit too much. So now am feet up on the sofa while DH makes dinner.

Indith Wed 03-Jul-13 20:25:23

oh gosh, erm hello. just saw you on active convos.

you are talking about having more babies though so I'd better go again!

DeidreBarlow Wed 03-Jul-13 20:39:25

Jam sit down and please take it easy! But don't fall asleep...seriously Peter Crouch!! The stuff nightmares are made ofgrin

Mckayz Wed 03-Jul-13 20:40:26

I am re-thinking 4. DD won't go to sleep and is causing utter chaos.

beans37 Wed 03-Jul-13 20:49:57

I quite fancy Peter Crouch secretly (not any more). Suspect he has a big willy.

Mckayz Wed 03-Jul-13 21:02:06


I had have a huge crush on James Beattie when I was younger. Now I see him on a regular basis it's so embarrassing as I tend to go red. Not good when we have a VIP thing to go to.

Honsandrevels Wed 03-Jul-13 22:10:01

Peter Crouch or Andrew Castle?? I'm not sure which is the worst option though. During my last pregnancy I had a sex dream about Ed Milliband, it was horrible.

LadyT I'm settled on two but I don't know how you'd decide except to go with your gut instinct. Clearly no one regrets a third when they arrive, babies are lovely! Yet if you looked at it from a financial perspective, a bigger car, shoes, holidays etc then you'd stick with two or never have children in the first place! It's great you got the mortgage though and can make a decision rather than feel you have to stay at two.

Vagolajahooli Wed 03-Jul-13 22:18:36

Haha I think I remember that one Hons.

I blame Sybs, she is a perfect advertisement for having three. She is fabulous. By the by where are you Sybs? What is going on with work?

ShadyLadyT Wed 03-Jul-13 23:40:57

What makes you think that, Beans, is it because he's tall or some kind of sixth sense? [Grin]

Hons, that must have been a shocker about Ed Milliband. I mean, his brother at a pinch - a real pinch - but just thinking about kissing Ed Milliband makes me screw up my face. Politicians are a not very fanciable bunch, though, on the whole.

Dreams can be powerful things, though, especially sexy ones. I had a dream about a boy at school when I was about 12 and I fancied him the whole time. He wasn't even very good looking. But he was very charismatic. He's an academic now, lectures in Economics. I still google him occasionally grin

I feel a bit flat tonight which is weird. We have stressed for months about this mortgage - eight maybe - and we'll have the cash before the end of the month. I should be thrilled! But I feel all dreary which is unlike me. Maybe it's the fretting over the decision (already) to have a third one.

I am going to read some more chapters of A Fortunate Life. Never has there been a more ironic title. Tragedy and maltreatment lurks round every page turn.

TheInvisibleHand Thu 04-Jul-13 08:19:50

lady, congratulations on the mortgage, that must be a huge relief. I can understand the flat feeling though. I find that often when you've been focused on something for a long time, there is a real anticlimactic feeling once the initial euphoria has faded.

On the three thing. i'm very clear in my mind that in an ideal world I would have had more. but I'm also clear that the moment for that has passed really. if I am very honest with myself, whilst I am sure I would dearly love another child - I can imagine regrets . I guess I feel that at my age and with our life the way it is, I might be pushing my luck. I have 2 sparky, happy healthy children. I can a fine that if we added a disabled child to the mix, for example, would add a huge strain on all of us. I know a couple of people with down's kids. whilst they are great parents who adore their kids and would not wish them away for a second, it's still really hard. my dad is pretty disabled and became increasingly so as we grew up, not easy. Then there is all the other work, money whatever stuff, which I guess come put in the wash, but do mean something. sorry to be eyoreish about it, but I figured i'd put down the other view!

I'm on another stupid o'clock train to the middle of nowvhere have had my fill of this week!

ShadyLadyT Thu 04-Jul-13 10:58:16

Oh dear, Invis - not much of this week left - nearly Friday! You are right on the three thing as well of course...which is the problem. Arguments full of merit on both sides. DP and I need to have a proper long chat about it. I also worry about my career (what there is of it that remains...) I interviewed Inspector Montalbano though, that's going to be in the paper on Sunday.

I am still coughing like Little Nell and am off to have lunch with DH's Dad and other elderly relatives, all in their late 70s or early 80s and a little hard of hearing...SO I WILL BE DOING A LOT OF SHOUTING.

Nolda Thu 04-Jul-13 14:01:05

OMG on interviewing Inspector Montalbano! Did you practise your Italian? Which paper will it be in? Glad to hear you got your mortgage offer too blush.

Rubena Thu 04-Jul-13 14:29:41

Invis. I completely relate to that.

Its 39 degrees still and 530pm in Dubai. An melting. smug to say hooray I'm on holidays after this! grin

Rubena Thu 04-Jul-13 14:49:43

By that Invis the 2 healthy children, not the, would have had more grin

Have a nice day shades. Hope you don't lose your voice!

ShadyLadyT Thu 04-Jul-13 15:01:30

You're in Dubai, Rubes? Waaaaah! I know it's work but I envy every single one of your trips.

I am on the bus home to collect the DDs from my friend. I have done her a favour a few times so nice to cash it in grin Actually she is babysitting for me Sat night as well but that's a straight swap and I will do the same for her within a month. I am taking DP to see The Great Gatsby!

It will be in the Mail, Nolda. On Sun. I did the interview online, sorry grin But it was in Italian (with help from my teacher] I'm not totally thrilled with my translation but it's a new skill for me.

Rubena Thu 04-Jul-13 15:08:39

Yes just a night stop Shady. After all the pox fiasco time off I thought I'd better make an appearance. On hols after this thoughgrin
Was going to say, I also know the flat feeling after stress of something you're waiting on. We both had that after dh exams.

Artijoke Thu 04-Jul-13 15:53:13

poo. poo. poo everywhere. all over ds, in his hair and hands, on my bed, down my skirt, under my chin. full shower for us both. bed stripped, carpet cleaner out.

am i making you want a third yet ladyt????

back later to persuade you properly.

beans37 Thu 04-Jul-13 16:07:50

I am madly tidying the house in anticipation of my lovely NCT friend and her children coming to stay tomorrow. Not sure why, when I have two small DDs determined to spread rubbish everywhere. Shortly to be banished to the garden for some serious bouncing action to get them good and tired.

Is it terrible how much I'm looking forward to my weekend with no DH? I love him so very much, but sometimes find it quite stressful trying to look busy when all I want to do is veg out and put my feet up. At least with just the DDs I can sit back and let them play as long as I interact enough to keep them happy! NCT friend coming to stay tomorrow night, then she's off in the morning and Mum is coming up for the day to help me out at the school fete so I can see if I can find some very small second hand uniform for DD1. She really is terribly wee. Then a quiet night in and Sunday am going out for lunch with my lovely friend in the village who walks the dog regularly. She's in her late 60s, but I hope I'm like her when I'm that age. So lovely and sparkly and just fun. I am taking her out for lunch with the girls as I owe her. We have an amazing gastro pub nearby, which is where I went with DH for my bday.

Rubes, I love the sound of Dubai. How marvellous. It is gorgeous here today, though. The washing has dried in double quick time, which is great.

DH playing tennis with a friend tonight, so I can revel in my delicious cauliflower cheese, which he thinks is a side dish. I think it's a whole meal. And it was given to me by a friend in the village who runs the gardens of a huge estate, so she always hands us fresh veg. Yummy!

V impressed with Italian interview, Lady. How do you manage it all?

Arti - how lovely to be so covered in poo. And you sound very zen about it. I hope you're just going to through his clothes away and soak yours in Vanish???

Last night I was SO uncomfortable with this baby. Its head seemed to be sticking into my ribs and it really bloody hurt. I think it's turned now. Phew.

I need something to eat. It's not me, it's the baby.

Honsandrevels Thu 04-Jul-13 17:55:14

Ooh I love cauliflower cheese. My dh was once on a stag do with my old boyfriend (they have a mutual friend) and the boyfriend asked dh if I still make my delicious cauliflower cheese! confused. Bit odd!

Rubena Thu 04-Jul-13 18:12:20

I do the same beans. In fact will be cleaning even more due to fam coming. But 5 kids in one house.... Won't stay tidy long!
Its not bad at all Beans, however I'm the exact opposite. Always seem to crave dh bring home and night / weekend with. Then when he's on call over night I HATE it and especially when they change him last minute.
Think it's just the sheer amount of work he always seems to do, couple with me not having much going on outside of kids life, so I crave family time constantly! But I can see it could go both ways depending on others situation. Just that I'm probably more needing a life! going away is not very often and also quite an independent experience. Right my food here grin

Artijoke Thu 04-Jul-13 18:40:51

That is odd Hons! You asked where sells good dresses for those of us who are long in the body. Sadly non of the cheapo places are good if you are tall. For dresses I rate Fenn Wright Manson, Hobbs and if I am feeling very rich then Whistles.

Beans, why do you have to lo

Artijoke Thu 04-Jul-13 18:59:38

Sorry! Typing while swaying DS to sleep.

Why do you have to look busy for your DH Beans? What would he say if you lay down and said you were too tired and pregnant for activity? I did that from about 5 weeks in this time.

Lady, I totally understand your reservations about going for number three. We had exactly the same worries and we ruminated over them for literally years. I don't think many people ever feel sure about a third, it IS a risk. We could never stop asking the question which we eventually took to indicate we needed to go for it because not doing so was obviously not sitting comfortably. Even when I got the positive test I did not feel at all sure that it was the right thing to have done and when we got the 1in 10 chance of Downs I feared we should never have taken the gamble, I've never felt more terrified in my life and it did ruin the whole pregnancy. BUT now DS is here and I just know it was right for us. I know that it was right despite the sleep deprivation, despite the fact that DD2 was difficult in the first weeks, despite the fact DS is unsettled a lot, despite the fact I'm run down and the house is a tip. We just feel right, we feel like we were all meant to be together, we feel like a unit, like we will support each other through our lives in this shape. Practical issues like money, or paying for holidYs or fitting in cars seem utterly insignificant really. The trouble is that you can't be sure you will feel the same without taking the gamble. Good luck deciding!

Artijoke Thu 04-Jul-13 19:31:56

Me again. Still rocking DS. DS still valiantly fighting sleep. Can't wait to go downstairs and EAT but it's not looking close. I've cooked a tomato, chorizo and lentil soup and its calling me, the bar of Green and Blacks is also calling. sleep DS, please sleep. I need to pack tonight too as we are off to Devon tomorrow, can't wait given the gorg weather.

beans37 Thu 04-Jul-13 19:45:23

I think, Arti, that it's because of my upbringing. I have this inbuilt guilt about being lazy or sitting on my arse. When actually, I am perfectly entitled to some rest time! I know it is weird!

Your description of 3 is lovely and it's kind of how I feel. I just couldn't stop wondering about a third.

Does anyone else find bedtime hellish? I have literally just had DD1 sobbing uncontrollably about being left in bed. She's been whiney all afternoon and I have found her so bloody irritating. Why can't she just go to sleep? Ended up me screaming at her and giving her a smacked bottom. I know I should probably just hug her, but that feels like conceding, somehow. Am left now feeling distraught and guilty. We both calmed down before she went to sleep, but I just feel do frustrated and cross. She's so damn dependent on me and cries if she can't see me. If I go to the loo I have to do it with the door open and god forbid I should nip into the house to get something or have a wee while she's in the garden; even if I explain to her where I'm going! Feel like I may go insane. And if DH is in charge, she constantly asks him where I am. It's driving me nuts. I love her so terribly much, but apart from when she's at nursery, I get no breathing space and I feel so damn claustrophobic. HELP!

JamInMyWellies Thu 04-Jul-13 19:58:22

Beans I too am not enjoying bedtime at the mo. Am so tired of fighting with DS2 that by 7 I just want them in bed and to leave me alone. Poor DS1 is really missing out on me reading to him as I just cant be arsed.

Ooh Arti that soup sounds lush can you give me the recipe.

Also Beans I also hear you on the sitting thing. A friend this morning tried to take my ironing off me and told me to go home to bed. I didnt let her and I went to Costco and Ikea to get some bits instead.

DH out tonight so have ordered a pizza and a movie on box office.

JamInMyWellies Thu 04-Jul-13 19:59:02

Oh and Rubes very envy of your pool time.

beans37 Thu 04-Jul-13 20:40:55

It is just really hard and I find myself being a bitch to her and I hate myself for it.

Artijoke Thu 04-Jul-13 21:22:08

I know exactly how you feel Beans. We were having hellish bedtimes a few weeks back when DD2 was reacting to DS' arrival. She kept calling us back to her room again and again and I just have no energy or patience left at that time of day. I also know what you mean about feeling claustrophobic, DD2 likes to be with me all the time and she wants to talk and talk and talk and what ever answer I give to her incessant questions just sparks another question and if I switch off and give vague answers she notices and badgers on and on. We all flip at times, I often hate myself for the way I react to me kids when I am tired but it gives me a little comfort to know I am not alone in feeling like that.

Artijoke Thu 04-Jul-13 21:22:50

Jam, how is the bleeding now? IKEA does not sound restful. Please rest.

beans37 Thu 04-Jul-13 21:50:42

It gives me comfort too, Arti! Such a relief to know I'm not the only one! It does feel like badgering sometimes. But I know I'll miss her when she's started school!

JamInMyWellies Thu 04-Jul-13 22:08:33

Maybe its 4 yr olds. They are sent to test us.

Arti Ikea was actually v relaxing. A quiet hr driving to get there listening to the radio and again home. Then a wander around getting some bits and bobs for the house. And although I spent my last post complaining about DS2 he was a delight while we were out.

SummerLightning Thu 04-Jul-13 22:41:54

Hello! Can't keep up but DH out for the night so thought I would pop on and say hello.

I get very fed up of my 4 year old too. He is the king of whinging. Whinge whinge whinge, nag nag nag. Also with the questions questions questions as well, which is sweet, but they are all the sort of questions that DH can give great answers to such as "how does an engine work", and I think he recognises my vague bluffing answers as just that :-) DD on the other hand is lovely and very cute. I am horrid to my two as well Beans when I'm tired and they push my buttons. They know they are doing it as well, little sods. Thing is, some of the time they're sooo adorable, but other times, just so so so so annoying!!

Oh on number 3, the whole idea filled me with dread, before DH got the snip I would worry all the time, and if I was slightly late there was not even a hint of excitement, just dread! I think that says it all. It's 2 for me, I am one of 2 of a happy family and DH is an only so the idea of having 3 is a bit alien to both of us. But then i have never been broody in the first place.

You know what I am not sure I have even said congratulations to Jam?! Or even Beans? I must have. But if not congratulations!

arti hope you got your tea!

lady woohoo on the mortgage, that is such good news. Maybe you should just chill out about the whole no 3 decision and enjoy the fact that the money pressure is off for a couple of months if you are feeling a bit flat.

very impressed with all the exercise girls, I have seen you on twitter. I still go running and do a lot of cycling but not really doing anything competitive at the moment (triathlons, etc).

Hmm, feel like I should give some news from me as not been on for ages! We went on holiday with Neilson to Turkey, very relaxing, in a run around doing lots of sports kind of way. hurrah for kids clubs. Bloody expensive though, won't be able to afford it in school holidays (hence doing it now). Went camping with the tinies for the first time last weekend, very fun, but we did luck out on the weather. Trying it again the weekend after next with my bro, which should be awesome regardless of the weather as hardly ever get to go away with my bro and family. DS's school has announced there is a week of no school (home visits only) and then 2 weeks of part time, which is highly annoying. We were hoping to take some long weekends over the summer holidays and take half term off with them but now that's all out of the window. Grrrr, so annoying. Has anyone else got this?

beans you said your DD1 is small, my DS too. He is such a midget, I am a bit worried about him going to school, he's quite immature and looks so small! He's only 1m tall.

Right gonna post this now and put question time on.

JamInMyWellies Fri 05-Jul-13 16:13:18

Hello SL! I was weirdly thinking about you the other day.

Can I just say. Why does hot weather always happen when I am halfway through a leg wax cycle. So next wk when its scorchio I will need to wear a maxi dress so I don't scare the villagers with my unsightly soon to be waxed legs.

beans37 Fri 05-Jul-13 22:08:43

I have a pant moustache to be proud of, but luckily I can't really see it any more, so I don't care! Ha!

Vagolajahooli Fri 05-Jul-13 22:20:50

A pant moustache!

Now all your talk of dodgy sexxy dreams & crushes. I know he has a gawky noggin, but Mr Murray has a lurvely body & delish bott bott.

DH has gone to Belgium on a beer drinking weekend, so flying solo. Should go to bed as got to get up early for DS1's swimming club.

Hope all who are resting should be resting. Beans can you tell me exactly why DH thinks you should be constantly busy, whilst also grow his offspring. You realise right now you are always doing something. You are growing lungs, brains & for all you know a willy.

Jam isn't it sad that these days time in a car to chill & listen to music is quality time for us.

Hoi SL, sorry you're worried about DS' height, but I feel a bit bad I've no idea how tall DS2 is at the moment. I know he is a lot shorter than his school friends, but we did decided to move to a country with the tallest population in the world.

Mckayz Sat 06-Jul-13 05:12:06

Vag, that's interesting. All the Dutch people I know are really short. Granted I only know about 8 and 5 are from the same family. grin

JamInMyWellies Sat 06-Jul-13 06:17:54

Last nights dream major improvement. David Beckham! grin

beans37 Sat 06-Jul-13 15:39:52

Vag, it's not DH who thinks I should be busy... It's me!

I'm afraid I'm not with you on the Murray thing. He's just tooooo pugnacious. Sorry. Plenty of other tennis players more appealing and more physically attractive... Nadal the delicious beaver, for example.

Ooh, good dream, Jam. I'm hoping for an interlude with David Tennant. Purely because when I was pregnant with DD1 I dreamt he could breathe through his ears, if you know what I mean (leer).

So, children had friends to stay last night. Cue sleep at nearly 10 and up at 6. Fun evening ahead! It was my lovely lovely friend from NCT. But I wouldn't be entirely surprised if her son was diagnosed with some sort of SN. He is exactly the same age as DD2, but can hardly speak at all, is very violent and seems developmentally streets behind any other child in DD2's Playgroup etc. I have o idea though; maybe he'll get there in his own time. Sure he will, but he hasn't come on at all in the past year or so, where most littles that age change so fast!

beans37 Sat 06-Jul-13 17:06:46

PS HAPPY DAYS! Still boiling hot in the garden and endless paddling pool and aqua slide action. Girls so very tired. AND I went to the school fete and got nearly all DD1's new uniform second hand for £6.50!!!

beans37 Sat 06-Jul-13 19:38:49

I have never seen my daughters so tired, but will they buggery go to sleep. Grrrr!

beans37 Sun 07-Jul-13 03:42:27

Insomnia is a horrible thing. I am awake and worrying about where the new baby is going to sleep as no builders are available to do our planned extension until September, which is too late. Bugger bugger.

JamInMyWellies Sun 07-Jul-13 07:42:15

Beans insomnia sucks. I do hope you have managed to get back to sleep. We are turfing out children from bedrooms and moving them around to fit in at ours. Still umming and ahing about extending or moving. You will manage it my love. Bubba can sleep in a dresser drawer.

beans37 Sun 07-Jul-13 08:35:53

Thanks Jam. We do have a spare room, so it's really not the end of the world, but we have people to stay a lot. And I'm no good at having the baby in with me. And was fretting about the new one keeping DD1 up all night when she'll have just started school etc. always seems terrible I the dead of night! Did awake stint from 2.30-6am! YAAAWWWWNNNN!

TheInvisibleHand Sun 07-Jul-13 11:22:49

beans, I put my two in together from early on (even though we have spare rooms). amazingly D's very rarely woke did even when he was wailing his head off. It will work out. sympathies on the building work though. we are just psyching ourselves up to do a loft extension..

glorious day. we were going to the fruit farm this morn to get strawberries but from the website sounds like they were pretty much cleaned out yesterday. wander down to the woods I think then throw the docs in the paddling pool while trying to watch tennis.

sybilfaulty Sun 07-Jul-13 12:40:52

Hello everyone! I am back! I am employed (for now). I am also very hot and being nagged to build a paddling pool acquired on a tesco jaunt that looks rather too big for our handkerchief of a garden.

Hope P Pool will work its magic so I can catch up properly on Ipad whilst supervising and drinking wine. Hope everyone well and happy.

Love to you all.

Vagolajahooli Sun 07-Jul-13 13:45:53

Nice to hear your are still a working women Sybs.

Sorry about lack of sleep and worries Beans. We put out two together when DS2 was 2 but really could have done earlier, but that doesn't help for super early on for you.

Also trying to sort afternoon entertainment here in time for tennis was hoping to wear them out at the beach but neither wanted to go. We went until late yesterday then watched the doubles finals & the women's final replay so really they're a bit knackered. Anyhoo I went back to my own childhood summer fun and constructed a quite fantastic slip'n'slide in the back garden. Not much of a slant here so used their slide & a lot of detergent with a tarp & sunlounge mattress. Worked wonders they are happily tired, cool and ready to watch the tennis. DH due back at 16.30. If Murray is looking crap later might go to the beach for tea.

Rubena Sun 07-Jul-13 16:27:36

Great news Sybs!
I should be making up beds for the tribe arriving tomorrow, but I'm watching Wimbledon (exciting times) while sunning myself grindh working all weekend again [sigh]

beans37 Sun 07-Jul-13 17:07:12

Hurray queen Sybs! Well done you!

Am watching Murray while the girls watch Mike the Knight. We've spent the whole afternoon in the garden either on the slide and slip n slide or in the paddling pool. It's been marvellous. Am desperately trying to stay awake. DH back from his cycling trip later, but not til 7ish. 160km a day for 2 days. In this heat. I'm not jealous!!! Have had such a lovely weekend with the girls, bar bedtimes! Am actually less bothered by his 2 weeks away as a result.

Rubes, are you walking your dog in this weather? I'm not. It's too hot for me and she is jyst flopping down on the cold kutchen floor. Need to do early morning ones.

Rubena Sun 07-Jul-13 17:24:04

Gawd I can't bare it!!! Edge of seat type stuff!
Yeah still "jogging" her every other day or so but even 8pm is too hot! Have had some pathetic attempts at exercise!!
Urgh!!! Here we go!!!

Rubena Sun 07-Jul-13 17:26:34

Nice work Andy. thanks

Mckayz Sun 07-Jul-13 17:46:23

Murray was brilliant!!! grin

Vagolajahooli Sun 07-Jul-13 19:59:08

The gluts & nips did it!

DH got home in time for us all to watch him win. The boys loved it. Would love to take them next year. Might come over and try to get ground tickets so they can sit on the hill

Rubena Sun 07-Jul-13 20:16:35

do it Vag! You can stay with us - I'd love to go to. Used to live half a mile away but still only a quick train ride now!
Murray does nothing for me what so ever. In fact I'm happy for him as he deserved it - finally! But I'm more excited that I finally got to see him smile (and attempt to crack a joke)

Vagolajahooli Sun 07-Jul-13 20:27:55

Oh I'd put a bag over that head but since he started with Ivan & that fitness trainer he's got a lovely bod.

Maybe we could have a Dec 08 ladies day at the tennis!

Honsandrevels Sun 07-Jul-13 20:33:41

Phew, the tennis was stressful! The girls watched it with us and dd2 was chanting 'Andy Murray'. Very cute!

Dd1 has been throwing up half the weekend, I think she's got the bug dd2 had. She is sick almost everytime she has a temperature.

Thanks for the tall shop recommendations arti, I'll go for a trying on session when I'm next in Manchester.

Rubena Sun 07-Jul-13 20:49:10

Great idea Vag!

Oh Hons I forgot you asked that about the tall thing. To be honest I struggle. Boden do taller stuff but I usually like their kids stuff and not their grown ups. I'm kind of in between so can usually get into most stuff at regular but do struggle with arm length for coats in winter therefore tend to fall back on Next. With jeans if you get pricier ones then you can dictate length so I just buy 34/36 length. I'm usually ok in Summer tho. Looks like you got some advice anyway.
Right am having a cleaning sesh tonight instead of a run since dh at work!

Vagolajahooli Sun 07-Jul-13 20:58:19

Hons DS1 was yelling "break him, break his serve", even when Murray was serving. They went mental when he won. It was like when Arsenal score a goal. Something equally as rare as a British Wimbledon champion.

Mckayz Mon 08-Jul-13 10:16:22

It was like that here Vag. They were hugging each other and DS2 even shed a tear or 2.

Speaking of DS2 and tennis. He will only talk to me if I call him Andy. It is getting slightly tedious now.

beans37 Mon 08-Jul-13 14:57:46

Ha! Mine were watching Mike the Knight and other beebies throughout!

Have just given in and bought myself a maternity swimming costume. I have to admit that I am actually properly pregnant now... Have squished myself into a non-maternity tankini to go to a friend's house for a swim and it's just not attractive. Went for this one as thought it was pretty inoffensive. Even nice. But if the summer's going to be this sunny, I may have to squeeze into a cozzie quite often!

After my night of insomnia, I slept from 9.45-6.45 last night. Marvellous. Had to get up for girls twice, which was annoying! But I had a pee while I was at it, so it wasn't wasted awake time!

What's the news on this sunny day, ladies?

Vagolajahooli Mon 08-Jul-13 15:48:24

Bleugh I've wasted this gorgeous day with a killer migraine. Thankfully DH came home from work to do pick up for me and have taken some bits & it's settling down now. Managed to sit in the garden for a bit while the boys played on the slip'n'slide. Such a gorgeous day. I did manage a work out this morning which is good but I wander if I let myself get dehydrated and that bought it on. I should have maybe gone for a swim at the beach instead.

I like that bikini Beans.

Vagolajahooli Mon 08-Jul-13 16:24:44

Aargh just remembered I have a dinner thing tonight. Really don't feel like it but it's a farewell so better go.

Artijoke Mon 08-Jul-13 19:01:57

Hi all

Back from lovely weekend in Devon. We could not have picked a nicer couple of days for a visit & we took full advantage of the weather with picnics and river swimming and letting the girls stay up and outside with us until 10pm each night. They are suitably exhausted and asleep already which is good as the builders are arriving to start work on our loft tomorrow and I have to clear it this evening. What a lovely night for hard physical labour in a hot attic room! DH chose a good night to have to work really late.

Lovely to hear from you SL! Sorry your DS is in a whinging phase. Where did you camp? Would you recommend it? I'm always on the look out for good tips, we are off to a tiny site in Oxfordshire the weekend after next.

I'm glad your migraine is better Veg. It's stiflingly hot to be doing exercise. Surely there is no need in weather like this as the sweat pours out even when you are stationary!

DS crying. So much for the dream of clearing the loft.

Vagolajahooli Tue 09-Jul-13 00:14:08

Soooo drunk. Migraine fine now, but might have a hangover to replacement it tomorrow.

beans37 Tue 09-Jul-13 07:22:39

How you doing, Vag? Throbbing head again? What did you get up to?

DH got up at 6.15, so thought I'd just bite the bullet and do the same. Been ready since 6.30 and the girls are still asleep. Lucky buggers. How come they never sleep this late when I'm knackered and desperate for some sleep???

Demolition on our brown and orange bathroom starts today. Yay! Arti, how did you get on with clearing the attic?

sybilfaulty Tue 09-Jul-13 07:56:37

Hello everyone.

Blimey, it's hot already. I went to the Lido yesterday morning and had a lovely, if chilly, swim, but I caught the sun in 1.5 hours! Oh dear. THe kids are also really brown, despite liberal applications of factor 50. Bad mummy.

Beans, we are alos having our shower room retiled today. What have you gone for? Our is boring cream but at least it will be smart without the tiles falling off the wall, as they currently are. Can we come and admire it (and you) over the hols?

Vag hope your head is not too sore.

Am off swimming again today. My redundancy issues have resulted in a small weight gain (all of it wine, natch) and I need to shift it or my clothes won't do up!

Jam, I saw about meeting you DH on FB. Is he American? I am guessing not. I also thought your oldest was 7, but that can't be right either! I am so rubbish. Hope all well with new baby and the bleeding has settled.

Arti, I am planning a raid on the Curtain Exchange in Fulham next Wed. Might you be free afterwards for coffee - or perhaps something more refreshing? Would love to see you and young A.

Kayz, not long now til DH back. How's the jewellery business going? Hang on in there.

Any more news of a meet up date? I had epic fail last time I tried and picked the week when most London folk were away!

Mckayz Tue 09-Jul-13 08:25:12

Sybs, it isn't going at all. It is flaming impossible as DD is still bloody rubbish at sleeping anywhere that isn't on me. I am hoping that we can get her sleeping in her cot when DH gets home. Only about 2.5 weeks to go.

What holidays are you all going on?

I can not wait to go on holiday. We are staying at Heathrow so DS1 can see the planes and then going to Legoland. Then we are going to PILs for a few days. So not really a holiday but nice to get away. Also having a day trip to Calais at the end of August. Going to buy mountains of cheese, which explains why I look like the Michelin man!!

Artijoke Tue 09-Jul-13 10:28:26

It's the clearly the week for Dec '08 mums to redesign their bathrooms. We are having our loft redone for an au pair. It requires a new bathroom. Tile wise I am going for white beveled adve metro tiles with black and whites tiles in a chequered pattern on the floor. What are you two going for Beans and Sybs?

Sybs, I would love to meet up next Weds. I can drive down Fulham way. What time are you coming?

Kayz, how nice that your DH will be home so soon. Your holidays sound nice. Our plans are: a weekend camping in Oxforshire with lots of friends, then a week with the outlaws in their cottage in Pembrokeshire, then a week at home, then a week on the coast with friends in Devon (staying in the house where the Dashwoods lived in the film version if Sense and Sensibility (the Emma Thompson/Kate Winslet version)! Then 24 hours at home for DD1's birthday. Then a week in a villa in Provence with a different set of friends. Then a week at home and finally a last weekend of glamping in Kent before school starts. I'm excited about it all!

Artijoke Tue 09-Jul-13 10:31:17

That should say be beveled EDGE metro tiles. The builders have started and aren't half noisy. Can't see DS napping through the drilling. I'm not sure I thought through the impact of having all this work done.

Mckayz Tue 09-Jul-13 10:42:08

That sounds nice Arti. I am trying to persuade DH to try camping. He just doesn't see the point of it when there are hotels and caravan parks.

JamInMyWellies Tue 09-Jul-13 10:54:07

That's sounds lovely Arti.

Hurrah for removal if 70s beige and orange Beans.

Good news on the job front sybs. My 2 also have little tans but am always slapping on the cream.

I did meet DH in NY but he is a London boy. We were both working over there. DS1 is 6. So easy to work out the math. Pregnant 5 mins after meeting. Good job it was love at first sight. gringrin

Vag how's the head?

Mckayz Tue 09-Jul-13 11:03:29

Vag, and other cyclists. Is it better to get a trailer or a seat for DD? We want to start getting out on the bikes and get the boys riding theirs more often. DS2 still has stablisers and DS1 is a bit wobbly too. But not sure what to do about DD.

I also need a new bike. Might have to go to the shop.

DeidreBarlow Tue 09-Jul-13 11:38:38

Hello lovely ladies! Not had a proper chance to catch up, but can see its all go on the bathroom front!grin

Just spent a lovely few days camping in Anglesey. Perfect camping weather, including a picnic on the beach listening to the tennis. Back now though to the diet & exercise before we go to Lanzarote next Saturday!

My diary is so full these next two weeks. Got loads of induction events etc for DS starting school and as DD moves up to Juniors I've got lots of 'leaving' things for her.

Vag are you hungover then??grin

SummerLightning Tue 09-Jul-13 12:28:34

Hello guys
arti we were in Norfolk camping at a place called breck farm near sheringham. It was a fairly basic campsite (though I don't know what campsites have as standard these day, obv it had showers etc). The really nice thing was you were allowed proper campfires and barbies which was lovely. Bad side was we were about 5 mins walk from loo block and forgot the potty. Obviously dd decided she needed a poo in the night. And then failed to actually do one. Little sod.

Kayz re bikes I'd go with the seat option. Basically cos its cheaper. Our seat was 10 quid off eBay. If you could get a deal like that you can try and see if you'd use it. If its for trips with the boys you aren't likely to go miles for now anyway.

Arti v jealous of your holidays that sounds amazing! In fact jealous of holiday chat it general as we have had our main holiday.

beans37 Tue 09-Jul-13 13:32:13

Yes, we had our main holiday back in March to Oman, which was a total holiday of a lifetime, so I can't complain!man, it was heaven. Off to North Wales on 2nd August for 10 days, just the girls and me. DH is feeling guilty as he had to spend A LOT of money on his bike at the weekend, so is practically throwing childcare at me while I'm in Wales, which is great. Also I think the guilt is down to not being there as he'll be cycling the wilds of the UK. so, am in the throes of organising someone to come every day from 3-7 to help me and so I can have a snooze and a bit of a break myself. Yay!

We're getting these tiles in the bathroom on the floor and inside the shower. Then a brand new white bathroom suite and beigey/cream (NOT BROWN!) tongue and groove and then a darker beige (not brown!) on the walls around it. Hoping it'll be chic, rather than a bit shit! I saw a bathroom I loved on rightmove, so I took a photo of it. We're also getting a sink inset into a little cupboard, which I think will be quite cool. I suspect I'll be very jealous that it's the kid's bathroom and will end up using it myself.

I am LOVING this weather. Not loving having to do the ironing this afternoon though!

beans37 Tue 09-Jul-13 13:38:16

PS Kayz, if you're really struggling with DD's sleep, do give these people a try. I did with DD2 and it worked a treat. Actually until DH bogged it up, but it's not that expensive for 30mins on the phone and they will answer as many emails as you want in that week after. They also helped me a few weeks later for no extra cost! link here

beans37 Tue 09-Jul-13 13:39:20

PS it isn't all for newborns either, I called them when DD2 was 2 as I was at the end of my tether and sanity. Hence the big gap between DD2 and this one!

SummerLightning Tue 09-Jul-13 13:44:44

Haha how much is a LOT of money beans? Going back to chat ages ago about how much we spend on clothes - I have been tracking my finances and this year I have spent about 10 quid a month on average on clothes ( just a couple of cheap things all year). Bike spend however, despite being modest by my standards (no actual new bikes) hmm maybe 10 times clothes spend!! Oops!!

Honsandrevels Tue 09-Jul-13 14:14:48

A bathroom re-tiling epidemic! No bathroom adjustments here but we're having a new kitchen light fitted and a new tumble dryer delivered this week. The fun never stops!

Mckayz Tue 09-Jul-13 14:37:31

I need to blow up my kitchen. The washing machine is knackered, fridge is knackered, drawers are shit.

Artijoke Tue 09-Jul-13 18:24:12

Ooooo DS is going to be famous. A friend is editing a baby care book to be published in conjunction with One Born Every Minute and she needs a baby for photographs and asked if we would let DS have his picture taken and be in the book. I jumped at the chance as its several free sessions with a prof photographers and free discs of all the shots. Brilliant.

beans37 Tue 09-Jul-13 18:41:23

Ooh! How lovely. My friend is setting up her own photography business and wants pregnant women to photograph and is using me. Has also said she wants to photograph DDs as a bonus. Yay! Freebies!

SL - £650. Ouch!!!

JamInMyWellies Tue 09-Jul-13 19:04:16

Arti that's fab!

Beans if your friend wants another fat sweaty prego to photograph let me know.

Love all the holiday chat think we are ✈ off to Florida again. The lure of cheaper baby stuff and empty beaches oh and that I am desperate for a California Pizza Kitchen buffalo pizza might sway it for us.

beans37 Tue 09-Jul-13 19:29:21

I don't know how much longer I can cope with the hell of bedtime with DD1. She's lying weeping in her bed and I'm crying in my room. I had to stop myself from lashing out at her. She doesn't do this for anyone else. Why just me?

beans37 Tue 09-Jul-13 19:51:34

Sorry. Ignore me. Am having an unable to cope moment and I can't get hold of DH to find out when he's going to get home. DD1 desperate for me not to go outside. She's so clingy and I don't know how to cope. Was shouting at her and I'm sure the neighbours could hear. Not that that really matters, but think I'm hormonal and over reacting. Bugger bugger.

JamInMyWellies Tue 09-Jul-13 19:55:17

You can cope. Bedtimes are hideous. Go and have a sneaky glass of wine. All will be forgotten in the morning.

Mckayz Tue 09-Jul-13 20:00:51

Beans, I've just yelled at the boys. They just won't stay in bed, constantly up and down the stairs.

Thanks for that link earlier. I think I might speak to them. DD is now sat playing instead of looking tired.

beans37 Tue 09-Jul-13 20:21:29

DH was at a work drinks thing. Spur of moment. Jealous.

Large glass of Viognier coming my way. Not too large, of course!!

Thanks Jam, I know I can cope, I just sometimes don't think I want to!!

Kayz, hang in There x

JamInMyWellies Tue 09-Jul-13 20:30:17

I hear ya on the not wanting to. I would love to throw a massive hissy fit and just walk out.

My 2 are also not asleep yet either. grr.

beans37 Tue 09-Jul-13 20:39:34

Mine are totally sparko, both knackered, hence the screaminess. DD1 NEVER does this with DH or anyone else. And it's not like it makes me kind to her, I end up screaming at her. If she was nice, I'd be nice too. Why does she seem to want me to be horrid? I just don't understand!

Anyhow, I'm sure it's a phase!!!

Mckayz Tue 09-Jul-13 21:13:42

Mine are asleep now. DD on me, in her typical place, I tried the cot last week and had 3 hours of screaming with me sat with her.

The boys are great sleepers with everyone else. When they are at their Dads or stay at my Mums. Tend to go to bed with no fuss and sleep past 6am. I keep thinking about turning my alarm off as there is no point having it. But knowing my luck they'll sleep until 8 and we'll be late for school. I can not wait for DH to get back so I can have some lie ins.

Artijoke Wed 10-Jul-13 07:07:46

Beans, have you considered a reward system? Maybe a sticker chart or promise of a treat if she does not cry at bedtime. DD2 was playing up at bedtime after DS was born so we said if she was good at bedtime Mon-Fri (and in our case if she also stayed in bed until her alarm) then we would take her to the ice cream parlour each Saturday. She needed a bit of reminding and a few threats that her sister would be going for ice cream alone but it worked a treat. The added bonus was I got ice cream every Saturday.

DeidreBarlow Wed 10-Jul-13 09:18:05

Just popping on quickly but beans bedtimes are my most hideous time of the day! And my two are pretty good. But with the heat, tired girls & a hormonal mummy it's no wonder you snapped. I hope you had a restful night and feel better today

I agree with Arti & some sort of reward system, let her pick the treat maybe or the stickers for the chart and really get her involved? Big hugs x

Vagolajahooli Wed 10-Jul-13 12:37:11

Beans bedtime is fine in the Vag house its the mornings that are evil. Ds2 almost always wakes up in a foul mood. 3 days of the week he has a long day at school and on those days he just wails about not wanting to go to school. If it's a short day he is fine about going to school but finds something else to get dramatic about. This morning he was just so horrid I didn't even give him hug goodbye. DH took him to school and I just turned and ignored him. Grrrr. Now I've picked him he is fine like nothing happened.

We are also having a bathroom done but we won't get to enjoy it as it is in the London house. Im a bit cheesed off, we payed for all these works in the middle of May and they still aren't finished. I went made at the real estate lady yesterday as they seem to have no idea when it will be finished. She is meeting with the contractors today and hopefully we will have some answers.

I'm shattered today I need a little kip, but it's swimming & bball afternoon today.

beans37 Wed 10-Jul-13 18:18:21

Thanks for tips. Have also spoke to DD1's teacher, who is going to chat to her about it. And I've spoken to DD1 myself and reassured her.

I'm just waiting for DH to get home, then am heading into fetal assessment unit as have some pinky colouring on the loo roll when I wipe after a pee and quite a sore back. Think it's probably a UTI, but best to get it checked and they've tole me to come in ASAP. Unfortunately, the quickest childcare I could get was DH coming home from work, so will be over an hour from when I called them and they said to come in straight away. But no one else able to help out!! Ho hum. Think feet up for a bit is called for!

Honsandrevels Wed 10-Jul-13 20:39:57

Oh dear beans, have you made it to the hospital yet? Hope you are ok.

DeidreBarlow Wed 10-Jul-13 20:49:36

Oh beans lovely I hope your okay x

JamInMyWellies Wed 10-Jul-13 21:00:12

Beans do let us know how you are lovey. I am free tom arvo if you need help with the girls.

beans37 Wed 10-Jul-13 22:06:18

Oh you lovely girls. Sorry, am absolutely fine. Baby, pee, blood pressure all fine, was just told off for being too busy!! Must resolve to take things a bit more gently. Easy to say with two smallies, eh??

Right, asleep for me.

Night all and thanks again, lovely people, and sorry to be a worry.

Honsandrevels Thu 11-Jul-13 07:53:42

Phew, that's a relief beans. Now take it easy! Try for activities at home where the girls are outside, keeps the clearing up to a minimum. Bubbles, tea parties with water, chalking on the patio, digging! I added bubbles to our paddling pool on Monday and sponged them down instead of a bath. That saved lots of faffing, they loved it, although I'm not sure how clean they got.

Mckayz Thu 11-Jul-13 08:21:19

That's good then Beans but you must slow down!! More feet up and less running about.

JamInMyWellies Thu 11-Jul-13 09:25:06

Take it easy Beans, feet up. Cbeebies day for the girls.

I have always loved Dustin Hoffman and particularly his role in Tootsie. This just confirmswhat an awesome man he is. I wish all men could feel like this and some women. We are all so bad at judging on aesthetics.

Artijoke Thu 11-Jul-13 11:10:13

Good news Beans. Are you managing to rest today? Could your DH take a few days h

Artijoke Thu 11-Jul-13 11:14:35


...holiday to give you a real break?

Bloody builders have just told me that one of the walls I wanted to demolish is a supporting wall. They have discovered this after totally stripping the room and knocking down other walls so there is no going back yet I see little point in persuing my plan as I can't open the room up. We are now spending £11k for little gain. How cross can I be that they didn't realise this problem before they said my plans were fine? I guess this is why people pay architects. I'm so gutted and don't know what to do, I'm to sleep deprived to think how to rescue the situation and yet cannot afford not to rescue it.

Vagolajahooli Thu 11-Jul-13 11:25:24

Bloody hell Arti that's a bit crap. This is probably a stupid question but could they put supporting columns in so as to open it up a little more?

Beans glad you're ok, but def sort out the relaxing a bit please. Could you get that babysitter in the afternoon/evenings a bit sooner?

We are all tired here, it is nearly the end of school and everyone seems to want a piece of poor ds1, he has an extra gymnastics session on Saturday plus a little comp on sunday. He has violin group lesson tomorrow plus his teacher has a special guest violin person coming from Canada who she wants him to come along to a class with. Plus he has two friends coming to play after school tomorrow as they both want to play with him before he goes and he has a birthday party invite between violin & gymnastics on Saturday! Poor little bugger. I have vetoed all activities for the three days that we are still here next week (apart from the beach) as I don't want him tired. Im so glad I booked that lounge at Heathrow airport. think we just sit & chill out there when we get to terminal 3.

JamInMyWellies Thu 11-Jul-13 13:25:58

Arti, surely your architect or the actual builders should have found this out before any work was started or agreed to, therefore they are to blame. Double check your contract with them, this should not have happened.

Vag everyone is knackered here too apart from DS2 who is back to waking at 5am. DS1 however I am having to haul out of bed at 7.45 every morning.

Vagolajahooli Thu 11-Jul-13 13:38:21

It's so sad making them get up isn't it. We really should all be up by 7 30am to get to school but I end up letting him have an extra 15mins. The two of them were so shattered last night I didn't hear peep out of them after lights out. Usually there is a little giggle or 3 but nothing, complete silence.

beans37 Thu 11-Jul-13 14:01:01

Oh Arti, that's shit. As Vag said, can they put in a couple of columns and an RSJ to keep it supported? Make the columns a kind of feature? What a bugger.

Went to DD1's first ever school lunch today. V sweet. DD2 is at Playgroup all pm, so DD1 and I having a spot of time together this afternoon. She has impressed me with her writing skills and letter knowledge. She's just been copying what I've written, but she did v well. V proud!

And her marvellous teacher has done a sticker chart for her for when she doesn't cry at night! Yay!

beans37 Thu 11-Jul-13 21:34:25

Hassle free bedtime from DD1. No DH and she went down with only one brief peep, when she called down to me to ask which room I was in, and that was it! Hurrah!

.have just made and eaten a delicious chicken souvlaki. Deeeelicious!

Vagolajahooli Thu 11-Jul-13 22:51:32

What a good girl well done to you both Beans.

beans37 Fri 12-Jul-13 14:59:51

Another glorious day here. Been lying in the sun while the girls play. So nice not having to do anything. Was meant to be going to ILs, as they have a pool, but DH has organised to take the girls there for the day tomorrow, leaving me to have a day of doing nothing! Bliss!

And have just eaten a load of delicious asparagus for my lunch. Happy days.

Vagolajahooli Fri 12-Jul-13 16:07:36

Poor ds2 is flat out like a lizard drinking. Dh has taken ds1 to his violin lesson, I'm shattered but have race tonight so I put the tele on for him so I could have a lie down and bless him, he fell asleep. He's lying on the rug at my feet. Oh he's so sweet. It will work out well as my race is at 7.30pm so he'll be awake enough to come along and watch.

I have to be up at dawns crack tomorrow as I'm going to Antwerp for the day with some girlfriends. I'm going to need a lot of caffeine.

Vagolajahooli Fri 12-Jul-13 18:51:07

Bleurgh have skipped race am feeling like crap, sore throat which has been brewing all day. Now I've got a temperature. Bluergh Bluergh Bluergh

Artijoke Fri 12-Jul-13 19:02:58

Oh no Veg. I hope you feel better for your girls' day out tomorrow.

We have the headmistress of the bew school where DD2 will start Reception coming for a home visit next week. She is doing this for all the kids (it's a brand new school and they will be the first pupils so she has the time). Should I bake or is that to much like sucking up? We also have a pupils picnic for the school tomorrow. We won't know anyone. The letter says being food. Do you think that means "bring food for your family" or "bring food to share"? And if its to share what should I take to a picnic of (potentially) 60 4 year olds and their families???

JamInMyWellies Fri 12-Jul-13 21:19:52

Evening all, am catching up on the telly and watching the programme last night about food poverty. God it makes me realise how lucky I am. I wish I knew how to get my boys to understand how lucky they are that we can have whatever we want to eat. Think I am going to volunteer at a food bank.

DeidreBarlow Sat 13-Jul-13 08:28:01

Morning, vag how are you feeling? Hope it's eased a bit and you make the ladies day out.

Went out last night for a friends hen do. Drunk too much wine and have a headache! There was a Motown tribute act, that lacked any actual Motowngrin. It was funny

DD is out for the day with a school chum and her family do its just me and DS. Need to get going and take him somewhere. Oh and I need to have a little parent proud boast, DD got a brilliant school report. She exceeding across the board for your average 7 yr old at the end of Yr2. And she's still 6! Right boast over grin

Rubena Sat 13-Jul-13 09:12:40

Hellooooo. Haven't had a hope in heck to catch up but did earlier see something about Arti's plans - yes can't you just get an rsj put in? Would cost lots more thats all. I would say they are massively to blame with that oversight.
It's been non stop since db and fam 5 kids and 4 adults here! Have done madam Tussaurds, boats in Regents Park, pubs, strawberry picking, and now Spain tomorrow. Massive hayfever attack then something in my eye whilst searching for a hospital dbs gf was in last week, and almost had to check into the eye hospital myself. Eyes puffed right up and both db and my phones ran out of battery. Eventually got it sorted but wasn't pleasant!
Managed to squeeze in ds first school visit. Seemed happy enough but barely told me anything they did!
Hope all are well - lovely weather! Ds swimming lesson soon and then I must pack - yippee

JamInMyWellies Sat 13-Jul-13 09:31:23

Rubes am exhausted just reading that! Have a super time in Spain.

Vag how are you feeling today?

Dieds awesome news on DD.

Am about to make a meringue and top with the huge amounts of fruit off the allotment. Then we are off this arvo to a friends who have a farm with a huge lake on it. So all the older boys and Dads are going fishing while us Mums and littler children are paddling pool and drinking and enjoying the sun (obviously I wont be drinking).

Oh and other pregos and recent pregos. Were you more insane this time round. I am worrying way more than I did with DS2. Movements are a lot slower and feel different the last couple of days. I know I am still super early to be feeling anything and chances are the baby has just shifted and its hot etc etc but am defo a bit more bonkers about it.

beans37 Sat 13-Jul-13 11:47:32

Maybe it's a girl, Jam? Are you finding out what it is?
I think I'm a lot more laid back this time than last, but only recently. It's also been a while, so I can't remember what it was like. I just know I'm a lot more knackered. Maybe it's having 2 already and that I'm older. Who knows. I'm also enormous!!

DH has wonderfully taken the girls off to his parents' house, so am having a lazy morning tootling around reading and doing bits and bobs. Loving it. He's taken the dog too, so no guilt that I should be walking her in this heat, which is killing me! I'm loving it, but man am I ever boiling!

Am also taking time to really think about my Dad, which is lovely. I haven't had time to focus on him for a while and I miss him so much, but I know how incredibly lucky I was to have him and I am focussing on the happiness he gave me and my family. I love him so!

Honsandrevels Sat 13-Jul-13 20:46:00

That's lovely about your dad, Beans. Glad you have had a restful day.

Arti Mmm tricky. I think I'd bake but something low key that dd2 can 'make'. Perfectly piped dainties might be a bit OTT! We've dd's reception teacher coming for a home visit in September. I expect the picnic is bring stuff for yourself and maybe something to share too. Sharing food gives you a way in to talk to people if you don't know anyone.

Vag Hope you feel better today.

JamInMyWellies Sun 14-Jul-13 08:25:36

Beans hope you enjoyed your day.

Arti I would take a sort of pick and mix picnic which can easily be shared if thats what happens.

We had such a lovely day yesterday the big boys all 6yrs loved the fishing and us girls had a great natter in the sun. While the younger ones played all day long in the paddling pool. Ending in huge amounts of pizza and happy faces all round. Didnt get home until gone 9 so the boys have only just woken up LUSH!

Artijoke Sun 14-Jul-13 08:26:57

I think you are right Hons, a bit of child led baking is in order.

Quick question, DD1 woken up with hugely swollen eyelid. Just one. No pain or itching. She is panicked. Does anyone have any idea what it might be?

beans37 Sun 14-Jul-13 08:36:26

Could it be a sty, Arti? Or could she have been bitten in the night?

Am off to Lincolnshire this morning. Think I am being a bit of a bolshy teenager, but some friends of ours live in the same village as my middle sister (who I'm usually v close to) and they've asked us up for the day. I asked my sister if we could pop in to see her before we go to theirs and she wasn't sure if they might be in Norfolk, which is fine. However, last Monday she said they weren't going to Norfolk so would be lovely to see us. She said they'd be tired, so could we get there for 10.30-11ish. Still fine as not due at friend's til 12.

Then last night, she texted to say her DH had arranged to play mixed doubles at 11.30 at their neighbours, so p,ease could we try to be there for 10-10.30, then at 11 we can hang around at their house til 12 if we want. Is it just me, or is that incredibly rude? It's 1.5hrs away and I probably see my sister about every 2-3 months at most, despite talking to her most days. I've texted this morning and said please could she try to postpone her tennis for half an hour so we don't just have 30mins with them, then 30mins of waiting around. Feel like we're playing second fiddle to people she sees the whole bloody time!


beans37 Sun 14-Jul-13 08:38:15

PS I should post that in AIBU?!!!

Vagolajahooli Sun 14-Jul-13 10:15:12

That's a bit bizarre Beans? It's not like they have to block out the whole day. Why can't they just play tennis after lunch? I don't think YABU

Arti take some food for you then take a load of carrot & cucumber sticks and hommous.

For the headteacher what about ginger bread men you can make the dough then dd2 can roll and cut them.

Artijoke Sun 14-Jul-13 10:27:07

You really aren't BU Beans. I would be really hurt by that behaviour. I hope she changed her plans on receipt of your text.

Have you gone to Spain now Rubes? I think so. Hope you are having a fabby time. Why was your brother's gf in hospital?

This is damn hot weather for breastfeeding. DS and I are sweaty messes. I just offered him cool boiled water (to give myself a break, I know its not necessary) and he gulped down 120ml. Not sure what to think of that.

DD's eye is even more swollen. DH thinks we should take her to A&E, I think that is an overreaction so have packed him off to the opticians with her. I hope the optician will give some advice and not just send them packing.

Vagolajahooli Sun 14-Jul-13 13:34:28

Oh sorry Arti I meant to address the eye question. You do need to be careful with eyes, but in the absence of pain & a temperature I think the optician's is the perfect place to take her. Much better than a germ ridden A&E. If tthe optician feels it warrants further investigation then they will refer onto either A&E or a clinic early in the week.

Your right Arti the water isn't necessary as your milk is adjusted by your boossies to be more hydrating in hot weather. However, don't think you should think anything into him gulping the water. If you're thirsty and someone you trust offers you a drink, you would skull it right? I know I would.

Thanks for asking about yesterday, took lots of paracetamol & neurofen during the day as well as regular 'fluids' & had just a brilliant day with my mates. Two of us were coming from den haag and the other was travelling over from Brussels. We had a small hassle as my friend from here missed the train & I didn't want to wait at the ugly den haag HS station so we all travelled separately to Antwerp. But when we finally caught up we didn't stop yabbering & cackling, it was so much fun. You would be pleased ladies after topping up our caffeine we headed straight to the champagne bar. Yummers. It has a lovely high position in a lovely mall. We shopped loads, had a small fight with the manager of Cortefiel because my friend changed her mind about a jacket she bought (the button fell off) & the manager wouldn't take it back with a full refund. So I'll never be able to shop there again. But otherwise a fun relaxing (we even had a massage) day. I couldn't believe how quickly it went, we caught the last train home at 10pm but it was still too early!

Vagolajahooli Sun 14-Jul-13 13:35:22

I think we should plan a continental meet up. I'm still up for meeting anyone who fancies a trip to Amsterdam.

Artijoke Sun 14-Jul-13 15:15:20

How careful do you need to be about eyes Veg? Optician was closed so DH took DD to the pharmacist who said it needed checking as her cheek was swollen too. We were going to head to A&E but DH's 93 year old gran was panicking in the heat so we had to buy her a fan and head to hers. Now the swelling is a little better though the eye is red. Still no pain or fever. Should we still go to A&E on this hot, hot day or is it safe to wait and see how things are in the morn?

Vagolajahooli Sun 14-Jul-13 16:17:51

It sounds to me like she has been bitten by something overnight and that is causing the swelling. It seems to me that your instinct is telling you its more a wait & see situation. Obviously I can't see the eye so can't really comment on that (you're welcome to pm me a clear photo on FB) but unless her eye is actually involved (at the moment it is just the area around the eye) I think you're ok. If things don't improve maybe a gp appointment tomorrow if you can. GPs might know better, where is JJ.

JamInMyWellies Sun 14-Jul-13 16:51:57

Arti try giving her a little piriton. If it is a bite that should help the swelling.

Artijoke Sun 14-Jul-13 18:43:04

Thanks Veg and Jam, I actually don't think it's a bite as her eyeball is red too but I do think its getting a bit better and A&E did seen overkill so we are taking the 'wait and see' approach.

I'm lying in a wet nightie in front of a fan while VFing DS to sleep. It's sooo hot.

beans37 Mon 15-Jul-13 08:11:06

How is DD doing this morning, Arti? Any improvement?

I spoke to my sister and apparently her friend gets such bad hay fever that she can't open her eyes after a certain time of day, so they had to play in the morning. I still don't see why they couldn't have done it next weekend, but I went to see my sister anyway and it was nice. But am still smarting a bit and I think that was pretty obvious. You don't just accept a better invite when you've arranged something else!!

Spent a stinking hot afternoon at a fete near Peterborough yesterday. The kids loved it, but I think it all got a bit much as they were very tearful by the end of it! Until we discovered the wobbly mirrors. They loved them. Although I would fiercely recommend that you DO NOT try them when 30 weeks pregnant. Very depressing!

Does anyone have any tips on restless leg syndrome? Seems I have it, and however exhausted I am, I can't get to sleep for ages as I just want to kick my legs around!!!

Rubena Mon 15-Jul-13 10:05:25

Hi! Not time to catch up but so far Spain very agreeable. We have the use of our own 3 bed 2 bath villa with 3 decks and a jacuzzi / plunge pool. Lovely. Tapas last night after afternoon of swimming. Off for BBQ and swimming today at another house. Must go need to find supermarket and get cavasupplies! grin

Vagolajahooli Mon 15-Jul-13 15:55:51

Sorry Beans I just used to kick my legs about. Not much help I know. What causes it, is it a potassium deficiency or something. Maybe bananas would help, or am I thinking of gout.

Rubes hooray relaxation for you both at last. Enjoy.

Arti piriton is a good idea. How is it today? If the eye id still red I would see about a gp appointment.

Beans what sort of a twat expects someone to change their plans with family because they have hayfever. Your sister's neighbour is a pillock. Besides exercise improves hayfever, DH was doing laps around the old Tuscan farm we were at on our wedding day to settle his hayfever. So a tennis match would be fine. I'm sorry but those neighbours are dickheads. There is an appropriate time for the use of that word & that time is now. Sitting in my garden sipping a kir cidre while the boys are happily occupado. I was all for taking them to the beach but they wanted to come chill out at home. Fair enough so I'm here enjoying our lovely garden. We have our camp table & chairs permanently set up so we can have dinner out here lovely.

Oh though one downer, bloody country of my birth seems to be the only one in the world that doesn't allow trunki boostApacks to be used for kids in cars. So I have to hire a booster at €63 for DS2. Ds1 doesn't needa carseat over tthere so that is cool. But it's annoying to spend that much on a bloody booster seat which I could buy for way less.

Bloody hell whilst 'talking' to you I have been sipping on my cider & I'm feeling quite pished already might need to eat me timks

JamInMyWellies Mon 15-Jul-13 16:37:34

Tell it like it is vag. grin

I am so freakin hot. Sports day this arvo. Sweaty!

beans37 Mon 15-Jul-13 16:58:18

Jam, don't know if you've seen, but there's a weather warning round us for this week; far too hot to be outside for any length of time, type weather warning! DDs and I went for lunch with a friend at this local garden centre, which does lovely sandwiches and has THE MOST amazing gardens for us all to meander around. But, it was really really too hot and despite thinking I was mostly in the shade, my back feels decidedly crackly from sunburn. Oops. I'd also forgotten how quick it is to tan when up the duff, so have changed about 4 shades darker. I know DH finds me terribly attractive when I'm brown, but fortunately my frequent mention of my growing piles and my enormous belly are preventing bed action. It's been 2 weeks now, but my libido has gone kaput. Particularly as it's too hot to do anything but lounge in bed! Cannot face a bonk.

Rubes, your holiday sounds bliss and your photos on FB are making me green with envy. But in a good way. I do like seeing other people's holiday snaps on FB; I'm not one of those mean spirited souls who find it offensive!

Where's Lady got to? And Indith, how is everything? Kiwi has disappeared totally too. Ho hum.

Vag, that's annoying re car seat. Grrr. And yes, think you're right, although neighbours didn't know I was coming round, am more pissed off that my BIL accepted their invite knowing I was coming round and it had been in the diary for ages and that my DSis didn't say no! Never mind. DCs got to see my lovely niece and nephew and I got half an hour with them to find out their news. They're off moving soon to the most amazing house. Am fiercely jealous as it has 3 acres and a pool and is quite beautiful. Set in deep countryside in the middle of nowhere. Luckily they're only renting, or I might have to go and live there!

I can't wait to get to North Wales... 2 weeks on Friday. BRING IT ON! I just hope the weather stays like this. Would be magic to be on the beach every day in the sunshine. Heaven.

DeidreBarlow Mon 15-Jul-13 17:41:49

Ha ha vag your use of the word 'dickhead' made me gigglegrin. Although you are quite right, those neighbours are! Beans I'm glad you got a little QT with your sis though.

Yes you and jam need to keep in the shade. It's so hot! More so down your way than up here

Hols for us on Saturday. Cannot wait. DD and I have just had our holiday haircuts, loads if ironing done. Just need to think about when I can find time to pack hmm

JamInMyWellies Mon 15-Jul-13 17:44:55

Really Beans, I hadn't heard that. Have to say thought I had creamed myself up properly but one shoulder is rather red tonight. Some very kind mums had brought a gazebo to the school and set it up beside me so was able to duck under and shade a little.

I too would be very envy about new house sounds fab.

Mckayz Mon 15-Jul-13 18:45:45

Beans, that house sounds lovely, I would be very jealous too.

Arti, I hope DD's eye is better this morning.

DH has been told today that he has to do a course in Singapore which means he'll be home a week later than he is meant to be. It's really annoying as I could do with some help as I am shattered and we go away on the 4th and he should now be back the 1st or 2nd.

Artijoke Mon 15-Jul-13 19:03:55

Beans I had restless legs this pregnancy. I found drinking LOADS of water helped and eliminating all caffeine. Also going to bed before I got too tired. Tiredness def made it worse.

There are quite a lot if missing people aren't there. JJ is another. And ZJ is pretty quiet at the mo. Effie too but she's been gone an age. I hate it when people disappear from our thread. I still think about Trace.

DD's eye was much better this morning. Swelling gone, just pink eyeball now. I'm glad I didn't sacrifice our Sunday to A&E.

In big news DS, my teeny DS, my eight week old, the one I consider a newborn, has cut two teeth!!!!!!! Well he has actually cut two teeth shaped holes in his gums but I can see white specks at the bottom of each hole. Both girls were 7 months when they got their first teeth. I can't believe it and its made me all broody as my baby us growing up! He is such a delight at the mo, all smiles and adoring looks. I could eat him. And I could have another. But I won't!

Honsandrevels Mon 15-Jul-13 20:53:49

Wow arti, dd1 had teeth at 3 months. They look so much older with teeth.

Vag Def bananas for potassium. I was put on a low potassium diet once.. no bananas, coffee or chocolate.

Beans That tennis thing would have really annoyed me! Glad you enjoyed the trip.

It was much cooler up here today so I'm hoping dd2 will sleep better tonight. This morning she came in our bed at 4 but thankfully went back to sleep. When we woke up at 7 she put her little arms round me and said 'mummy, my sleep all night'. So cute but such a tinker.

JamInMyWellies Tue 16-Jul-13 14:04:45

Woohoo holiday booked 2 wks of Florida beaches. gringrin Now just need to get bikini ready ��which will be interesting with the size of my belly.

beans37 Tue 16-Jul-13 17:31:30

Oh Jam. So very jealous. I am melting in this heat, but it is divine compared to the miserable weather until recently. DH out tonight... Do I watch Luther on my own? He said he'd watch it with me on iplayer tomorrow night, so I think I might have to hang on or I won't sleep! I caught up with the last two and my GOD it was brilliant!

JamInMyWellies Tue 16-Jul-13 17:37:29

Told you Luther was fab.

I too am melting. At least on holiday we can have villa days where I can laze in the pool and at the beach I can wallow in the sea like a beached whale. Can't wait DH super stressed at work.

beans37 Tue 16-Jul-13 19:05:14

After a year of DH being highly stressed at work, he finally isn't! Hurray! But he is staying in town tonight. I think it's time he had a bit of a social life. Poor thing.

Man I'm hungry.


Artijoke Wed 17-Jul-13 12:57:33

Throughout the cold winter, spring and early summer I swore I would not complain about the heat ever again. Trouble is heat and newborns do not mix well. DS' room was 32 degrees last night and he just could not sleep. He wanted to feed lots which I totally understood but I hardly got any sleep and now its even hotter today and I walk over three miles a day on school runs and I am dizzy with heat and tiredness. I nearly passed out with the heat in the playground and had to sit on the floor with my head down (I pretended to look for something under the pram, not sure I pulled that one off!). I would love it if we were by the sea and there was a breeze but central London in the humid heat is defeating me.

Phew, got that off my chest. How is everyone else? Beans and Jam are you still surviving?

beans37 Wed 17-Jul-13 16:07:57

It is a sweat pit out there. And our car doesn't have air con, so driving is a bit hellish, even with the windows open! Could you drive, Arti? Might give you a bit of a break from the heat.

Bit of bad news today; we didn't get any of our planning permission, so we can't get our small loft extension done. Not so bad as far as the big one goes, as that was possibly gong to be v expensive and we weren't sure we could afford it. But the smaller one is a real blow. Am feeling weedily close to tears!

Artijoke Wed 17-Jul-13 18:35:25

That's bad news Beans. This gov passed legislation to make it harder for councils to block planning permission so it's surprising. Did they give a reason? Could you adjust your plans and reapply?

We don't have air con in our car either. It's like a mobile oven in there.

beans37 Thu 18-Jul-13 08:28:18

Architect is finding out the reason today. Fingers crossed we can do our small conversion in the meantime... The problem is, it just gets so expensive to resubmit and pay again! We seem to need so much doing at the moment... New car, new bathroom, new tiles, new kitchen, new carpets! It all hits at once, doesn't it? I think we'll have to do one thing per year!! Although the car is a bit more urgent, as we don't have room for a third in the current one!!

JamInMyWellies Thu 18-Jul-13 09:32:12

Sod the car being important for No3 you need it for air con.

Arti how are you feeling today. Please take care of yourself. Lots of water. How is DDs eye and how did you get on at the picnic?

We are cancelling outings to the park as it is just too hot and doing paddling pool dates at friends houses instead. Much better.

Nolda Thu 18-Jul-13 10:29:46

Poor you, Arti, it sounds hellish. I think you need a new car with air con, too.

Keep strong, Beans. I hope your architect can sort it out so you can have the small loft conversion, at least.

beans37 Thu 18-Jul-13 16:38:33

HURRAH! We don't need planning for the small loft! YEEEEEHAH! And they've said that i we wanted to get permission for the big loft, we need a pitched roof rather than a flat roof, which is v dull, but v easy, so architect re-drawing and resubmitting for no extra fee. Yay! Life feels a bit happier now.

Now to nag DH into submission about the car. I honestly don't need to be involved in the purchase as he knows my requirements, so I can leave the rest to him.... It'll be 2016 by the time we get it!

beans37 Thu 18-Jul-13 16:39:20

PS Jam, v sensible on the no park outings. It is far far too hot. We've had the whole afternoon in the paddling pool. Me too. And it's freeeeeezing! But so nice.

sybilfaulty Thu 18-Jul-13 16:46:13

Hello girls. Sympathies to all struggling in heat , especially the preggos and Arti.

I am driving to Broadstairs tomorrow with my boy on his school trip to the beach. We do have air con but it really eats up the petrol. My friend Lisa is Thelma to my Louise. I am worried about the music. It's magic, country or radio 3 in my car but she is rather cooler than me so that might not work.

We have several posters MIA. Summer, JJ, lady - where are you?

sybilfaulty Thu 18-Jul-13 16:48:23

Great news re loft Beans. when are you starting? Will you do the small one then the big one? Lots of works going on at yours. Clearly you a nesting. When are you off to Wales?

beans37 Thu 18-Jul-13 17:26:04

Hi Sybs! Also Spot MIA.

Yes, small one first, then will get in structural engineer to see if roof needs to be removed to do big loft. If that's the case then we won't do it as will sit almost double. But if not, then we'll do it in a year or so.

Due to be cooler tomorrow. Pheweeee. I don't want to wish away the glorious summer, but just a few degrees cooler will be a bit of a relief! Felt a bit faint today!

Mckayz Thu 18-Jul-13 17:52:01

Good news about the loft Beans.

It is meant to be hotter here tomorrow, we have the end of school picnic and I am dreading sitting there as there is no shade.

Honsandrevels Thu 18-Jul-13 22:14:42

Gee whizz, it was hot here today. Poor dd2 kept taking her dress off and wanting to sit inside 'my too hot'. I had a five minute sit down in the cellar today. Nice and cool.

DH's brother and wife are staying with us tomorrow on their UK tour from Oz. I've bought new towels which makes me feel very middle aged for some reason. The old ones had some holes in and were bought in 2002 so they are a legitimate purchase but still..

JamInMyWellies Thu 18-Jul-13 23:43:04

So what do you do with a husband who has been at Lords all day just arriving home so drunk he has vomited in the garden angryangryangryangryangryangry

Honestly he is nearly 40 FFS

beans37 Fri 19-Jul-13 08:11:38

Oh Jam. He'll be feeling like death this morning... Make him clear it up!

DeidreBarlow Fri 19-Jul-13 13:38:42

I've been married 10 yrs today. DH took day off work to take me out to lunch. Told him we had to be back by 2 as I have a teddy bears picnic with DS at school. Don't an hour driving round looking for a country pub he had no clue of where it was. Never found it mother of all rows and home with no lunch as we had to get back for DS. I'm angryangryangry. And starving.

Now I've to pack for our hols tomorrow, be at school in nx 20 mins and he's sunbathing in garden. I'm still starving. Knob head!!!!

Jam I'd make DH clear the sick up and anything and everything else I could think of!

Mckayz Fri 19-Jul-13 14:07:00

Oh Deids that is terrible. But happy anniversary! Go pour some water over him.

Jam, I hope you made DH clean it up!!

JamInMyWellies Fri 19-Jul-13 14:56:23

Bloody Men dieds!

beans37 Fri 19-Jul-13 15:11:47

Grrrr. I suppose the thought was there, but the execution was appalling! Have a McDonalds!!

My children have been gutted not to have a bath for over a week... The shower appeal has now become a battle. Bathroom is far from finished, but lovely plumber has got the bath working for us so they can have one tonight. Phew!

Love the sunshine; hate the flies.

JamInMyWellies Fri 19-Jul-13 17:49:55

Blimey its hot I am sporting a bikini top which is failing to hold my mahoosive norks in, denim cutoffs and a baseball cap. Topped off with a very sweaty face. Happy Sunny afternoons, hope the neighbours aren't looking out their upstairs windows.

beans37 Fri 19-Jul-13 19:49:52

My mahoosive norks failed to materialise. Sadly.

DH did bedtime tonight, phew. One of his friends came round and they've gone for a run and a pint. I embarrassingly wept on his friend because my feet are so sore and a quite swollen and I just suddenly felt overwhelmed with how much childcare is ahead of me for the next 6 weeks!

We're not eating til 9 and I'm so hungry!! Crisps me up, baby.

JamInMyWellies Fri 19-Jul-13 20:36:50

Beans I know if you are free we can get together and moan about being swollen.

beans37 Fri 19-Jul-13 22:15:29

Jam, I would absolutely LOVE that! Yes please!

ShadyLadyT Sat 20-Jul-13 00:26:37

I'm here, oh fabulous ladies! Missed you. Just got back from my book group and DP is in bed so I am snatching some time to post even though I can't do that catch up I want to.

Basically, last week DP spent most of it at the Test at Trent Bridge and the night before he went we had the mother, father and godfather of all rows (not about him going away for four or five days, I didn't mind that) so to cheer myself up I upped and offed to London for a couple of days with the girls and it was bloody bliss. I know I won't be able to do that when DD1 starts school so it was extra sweet.

And this week, because I am the pre-school chair there just seems to have been loads I have needed to tie up bef the end of term. We break up on Tues. (And then there's been all the usual of my Italian lessons, stuff with the girls, trying to work, endless other crap. And of course, the sunny weather is such a gorgeous distraction!).

I have started doing the 5:2 diet so have had two fast days this week. Haven't lost a gram. I will try it for a month and see. I am keen on the general health benefits but am predominantly doing it to shed some lard, so if it's not helping me to do that I might sack it.

Am still wrestling with the third child thingy. DP and I aren't getting on that well so that's offputting although we've already got two kids so what difference would a third make? I get so tired in the evenings, though. Is that everyone, or just old old me? I mean after the whole supper and bedtime routine I feel about 163. But I have to say the girls have been so magnificent and interesting and sweet the last couple of weeks, a third tempts me. Until I think of the DISTURBED NIGHTS. So still a ?????? on that front.

Well, I have blabbed on about me horribly. I am sorry about your anniversary lunch, DB, that is such a shame. Is it hols for you this w/e? Rubes, how is lovely Spain?

Beans, I am so sorry about the planning permission, that must be very upsetting when you have geared up for it. We had a surveyor over this week to discuss plans (maybe a conservatory, maybe converting old stone outhouses at bottom of garden to an office each) and he has discouraged our ideas and suggested completely different stuff, so now we are a bit stuck and need more time to think. Actually, I am in no mood to rush into anything. So that's fine.

Arti - what on earth happened with your loft stuff? Worried for you. Are you at Wilderness in a couple of weeks? And you know it's about 3 miles from my house? grin I know you are going with pals but happy to pop over for a coffee.

I have to repeat this conversation with DD2, it has worried me. Her sister was eating some nuts (under supervision, of course).

DD2: I don't like those naughty nuts.
Me: Don't worry, they're nowhere near you and we have your medicine.
DD2: But they talk to me.
Me: Oh, really? What do they say?
DD2: "You're going to DIE".

We have never said anything like this to DD2 about her allergies. It must either be DD1 (which she denies) or some kid about pre-school.

Sybs, am I right in thinking you have escaped the chop at work? Did i get that right?

Jam, I bet you look lovely in cutoff and a bikini top!

Right, better go up to bed. I am facepainting at the school fete tomorrow. I suck at it. They will all have to have 'butterflies'. Or my normal make up face.

ShadyLadyT Sun 21-Jul-13 08:26:13

Oh dear, have I gorn and killed the thread? The sun left the West Oxon Cotswolds yesterday. It's even more dull today and the forecast for the next few days doesn't look brilliant. I love that magical sunny weather and I hope it returns... On the plus side, it's easier to sleep and I get more done.

We are going for lunch today. To Nando's! Am a recent convert.

Rubena Sun 21-Jul-13 10:32:40

I'm here lady. Sorry to hear about the Barney with dp. Is it all sorted now?
Back from Spain. Lovely time. Weather perfect. Lovely accom despite howling dogs every night. Great company. Night out last night not quite as enjoyable. Nothing like dropping 300 quid on a night out to only be hungry after, and have to devour pizza at 2am. To add insult to injury, cancelled original Gaucho Grill res to join others which we were cautious of, and then sat and listened to some guy I didn't know, talk about his marriage probs all night. Never mind. We live and learn.
At least I didn't drink much so manage a (very pathetic) light jog this morn, after 8 days off at least it was better than I thought! Adrenaline I guess as still seething about night out.
BBQ later with the outlaw and fam.
Deids and Vag hope hols are going nicely!
Right I have salads and burgers to make x

beans37 Sun 21-Jul-13 15:55:06

I'm here Lady! Lovely to have you back. And Rubes, holiday sounds lovely. Think of last night as a story for you to tell about a truly crappy night!

Hope all ok with DP now, Lady?

So relieved the sunshine is back this afternoon. We had a fantastic BBQ and I have NEVER seen the DDs eat so much! DH and I didn't do too badly either! DH talking about taking the girls to his parents, but am suspicious of hot air. I'd like him to as after today. I'm on my own with them til 17th August, pretty much! Obviously I'll see other people, but DH away next Saturday until 10th and I don't get back from Wales til 13th.

beans37 Sun 21-Jul-13 16:11:23

Than DH at work til the weekend... Oops. Posted too soon!

Although I say that, I'm hopeful that I'll have 4 hours of help every couple of days in Wales, which will be lovely.

Wow it's not out! DH playing on trampoline with girls. Nutter!

Honsandrevels Sun 21-Jul-13 16:28:43

Just a quick stop in, I'm ill. How can I have a cold and cough in the middle of summer? I completely lost my voice yesterday. Feeling worse today.

LadyT Sorry to hear about the row. I certainly feel exhausted after the whole tea, bath, bed routine. During the day I plan evening stuff like weeding the get patch properly or doing some baking, and then I expand my last ounce of energy with bedtime and lay prone on the sofa.

Deids Hope you bought yourself something nice to eat to celebrate in the end. That drive must have been sooo frustrating.

Beans Aww, try not to panic. I remember when DH went to Australia I was sooo worried about how I was going to cope. Try and break the time down in your mind and concentrate on getting through a few days at a time. Also get invites to other people so you aren't the one having to cook/ entertain.

Rubena Sun 21-Jul-13 18:59:07

Already applied that Beans! Good plan!
Nice BBQ, bit let down by the cricket.
Morning exercise majorly counteracted by afternoon drinking wine urgh.

Rubena Sun 21-Jul-13 19:02:09

Hope you feel better soon Hons. I was ill late in week. Carried on having wine. All good now. Sil struck down with it. Blaming it on abs lol and downing olive leaf extract - whatever works. Or doesn't hmm

Rubena Mon 22-Jul-13 08:10:28

Just read back as missed so much. Only got to Deids. I'd be furious too. Hope you are now enjoying hols.
Jam. Appalling. Hope you made him clean it up. Rub his nose in it.
Watched "This is 40" last night. Hilarious! Can SO relate!
Kids at nursery today. Nice break as with 5 here it's been full on. Have to collect ds early and go to big school for meet the teachers hour. Then to the water slide before getting dd.

H007 Mon 22-Jul-13 09:31:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

beans37 Mon 22-Jul-13 16:59:41

What's everyone feeding their nippers for tea in this hot weather?

Mckayz Tue 23-Jul-13 09:00:27

Beans, the boys have been asking for sandwiches a lot as it has been too hot. I've made a lot of pasta too that we can eat cold.

DS2 has been up before half 5 for the past 4 mornings. So much for a lie in during the holidays.

Artijoke Tue 23-Jul-13 11:36:33

Hi All

Still melting here. Although we managed a weekend of camping in Oxfordshire at the weekend and it was perfect camping whether: warm but not hot and not too much blazing sun but no rain. There were 23 of us, 10 adults and 13 children and DS was not even the youngest. I was dreading it before we went and seriously worried that it was the worst plan ever but DS slept well and the girls were in heaven and I got to hand out with friends and stay up late and drink lots of wine so it was a great success.

In other news we have found a way around our loft wall issues. We still cannot knock the whole wall down as there are supporting pillars in the wall so we are keeping the pillars and losing the wall and trying to make a feature of the pillars. It won't look great but its better than keeping the wall.

In other, other news I got DD1's KS1 SAT results yesterday and she got the highest level in every test. I am so proud of her but obviously can't say so to many people in RL so thought I would creep on here and let it out. She also got a glowing report which said not only is she very strong academically but she is funny and kind and a great role model for the class. I cried! Love her so much.

How are you feeling now Hons? Better I hope. It must have been miserable being ill in the heat.

Are your relativs still here Rubes? Thats a long visit. It sounds like you are enjoying it though which is great. Did your DS like his "meet the teachers" day?

Beans I hate cooking in this weather so the DDs are getting lots of quick food like omlettes, pasta pesto, baked salmon, sandwiches etc. I am totally uninspired by it all TBH. What about you?

Right, got to go as am sevign squash at the KS1 end of term disco. I know how to live I do.

Rubena Wed 24-Jul-13 14:23:50

After a sort of rubbish last night of hols with the fam I'm now having the most awful day ever.
If taking my family to the airport and saying goodbye isn't crap enough, I then broke down on the M25 hard shoulder with both kids in car and had to wait at least 45 min on hold for AA to answer then, had to go thru ridiculous lengthy new membership details before they would even take my location down and get a bloody tow truck on its way!! I'm now at a "safer location" waiting for their guy to come and look at the car!! And beans you will appreciate this. I actually pissed in an empty bottle. Worst day ever. And it's not over. This fiasco has been 3 hours nowangry

Nolda Wed 24-Jul-13 15:41:43

Oh heavens, Rubes! What a nightmare. I hope the AA man arrives soon and gets you back home.

Rubena Wed 24-Jul-13 17:33:50

530 pm. Am now on a train. Still not home. My brother will probably be in Tokyo before I get home.

Rubena Wed 24-Jul-13 17:33:50

530 pm. Am now on a train. Still not home. My brother will probably be in Tokyo before I get home.

Rubena Wed 24-Jul-13 17:34:22

So bad I had to say that twice

beans37 Wed 24-Jul-13 17:46:15

Oh Rubes. Misery on such a hot day. Thinking of you all xx

Mckayz Wed 24-Jul-13 18:07:08

Oh Rubes that is terrible. xx

JamInMyWellies Wed 24-Jul-13 18:36:08

Crap Rubes wine a plenty when you get home.

JamInMyWellies Thu 25-Jul-13 16:28:12

Hows things today Rubes?

Have just solved the problem of what the hell to wear over my bikini on the beach. I have customised 2 of DHs old t-shirts. Who needs expensive maternity wear when a pair of scissors and an old t shirt will do. grin

Rubena Thu 25-Jul-13 17:09:38

Talk about highs and lows Jam. Have gone from holiday high to sad about family leaving and major car issue : money etc.
H&M have a lovely comfy lightweight loose beach throw dress. Sort of knots at the back. I took it on hols. Was about £6. Perfect if preggo!

Got back at 630pm last night after tow trucks busses waiting at services waiting for trains and walking to get home.
Specialist poncy dickhead says gearbox buggered. we Find it VERY hard to believe in a car of 40k miles. Quote from him 4k. Garage down the road says 1300. Either way seems odd to have this problem. I'm ready to call watchdog. It's like we are getting signs not to buy the house - or rather our hand forced.
Also sucks that I can't plan when to see fam again. Governed by school holidays now, which is disastrous.
Anyway. Won't bang on about me.
Oh and one more thing- dd has decided to blatantly start pissing and pooing on the floor. Thought it was no prob as started when family arrived and house full plus hols. But just did it again. Don't know what to do about that. Guess I have to plonk her on loo and make her go periodically.

Rubena Thu 25-Jul-13 21:25:59

Well if no one else is around I will bang on about me! smile
Turns out I didn't need to join AA either as we were covered under private banking. Guess they are slightly helpful banking. Shane they don't highlight this more. Shame dh isn't more contactable at work that day so I'd have known sad

beans37 Fri 26-Jul-13 18:19:10

Hello! I'm here. Albeit briefly; off to Cotswolds tonight for DD1's starring role as a bridesmaid tomorrow. I have even just conditioned her hair. We're not leaving til 8ish, so going to try to get them off to sleep first, then hopefully they'll snooze the journey away. But I doubt it! Worth a try. DD1 in first ever bunk bed experience tonight. Could be interesting.

I am zonked already and need to do a 2.5hr drive. Then DH off on his road trip tomorrow, straight from The wedding. It's my first time ever of being treated as one of the oldies and having to leave at 4pm and not invited to evening do! Am delighted as means I don't have to entertain the girls at the party! DD2 not being a bridesmaid, but very excited about being allowed to wear her favourite dress (despite wearing it most days!!!). Then we're driving home post wedding. Hopefully home by 8 and kids straight to bed. Then take away for me. Yay!

Gosh, that was boring! Sorry!

beans37 Sat 27-Jul-13 20:46:10

Guys! So quiet... Did I send you all to sleep??

Honsandrevels Sat 27-Jul-13 21:03:04

I'm here beans. Hope the wedding goes well!

Rubes What an awful day. Can you get a 2nd opinion on the car? I hate dealing with garages as I know nothing about cars and feel that is taken advantage of.
Arti Fantastic news on dd1's report. She sounds lovely.

Thanks for wishing me better but I'm still coughing and sneezing delightful green snot. I smell like winter - all olbas oil and eucalyptus pastilles. Hideous.

sybilfaulty Sun 28-Jul-13 10:44:00

Was the wedding good, beans?

I was horribly unwell yesterday and still feel a bit delicate today. A quiet day beckons. What are you all up to?

beans37 Sun 28-Jul-13 12:23:48

Sicky ill, Sybs? Hons, are you feeling any better? Poor you lot. Am hoping against hope not to be struck down in next 2 weeks without DH!

Wedding was lovely. DD1 looked just glorious. I was v proud. And DD2 behaved really well as well, so was a great day. Long old drive home yesterday... Less than 24hrs in the Cotswolds! Dropped DH off at Cheltenham Spa station and he's gone down to Penzance. He was v nervous. Set off this morning. Got a very excited message from him as they got going! Girls and I just have just been on an idyllic walk, with them dressed as fairies. V sweet and they LOVED it! I did too. They ran for about half an hour, non-stop. Hoping they'll sleep well tonight! They didn't get up til 8.10 this morning. Heaven!

Mckayz Sun 28-Jul-13 13:28:03

Sybs, hope you feel better soon.

The wedding and walk sound lovely Beans.

Hons, I hope you start feeling better soon.

Rubes, I second getting another opinion on the car. We took ours somewhere for an MOT last year and were quoted £550 for all the work, labour, parts and another MOT. We took it somewhere else and it was only £200.

I have woken up with an awfully painful back. It really hurts to move or sit still, I can't stand up straight at all. I've taken paracetamol and ibruprofen and used that Voltogel stuff. No difference.

DH will be home Tuesday. There was a huge cock up on Friday as he was meant to be going to Singapore for a course but he wasn't given a visa of flights or anything. Just told he had to get a helicopter to Port-Gentil and Gabon and someone would meet him there with everything. Turns out he was meant to go to Libreville but the helicopters don't go there.

He was pretty annoyed but it means he can come home a few days early. He also got to see some elephants, giraffes and zebras as the helicopter flew over a reserve.

I hope you are all ok and still have nice weather.

Rubena Sun 28-Jul-13 16:58:06

Oh tis a long story. Only had that outrageous quote as we had it towed directly to Volvo after they said over the phone they'd extend us a courtesy on the expired warranty since the car so young. Turns out one service was not done at authorised service centre so it was promptly towed elsewhere. Aside from that Volvo will obviously only drop a new gearbox in rather than rebuild so the new place can do much cheaper fix although we still want to follow up with Volvo as a gearbox shouldn't get shredded after that little usage. All a bit odd, And annoying, and expensive.
Anyway am knackered after dds birthday yesterday and now ds's friends birthday today at soft play followed by pub on the way home.
Kids still knackered from Spain. Sleeping late, but they're a shambles by 6pm.

Rubena Sun 28-Jul-13 16:59:26

Sybs hope you feel better and Beans the wedding sounded lovely albeit a quick jaunt and tiring being preggo. Hope dh does well. Did you get your takeaway?

Artijoke Mon 29-Jul-13 09:07:51

Just popping in for a quick hello from Wales where we are holidaying with the in laws. They've only made me actually cry once, the rest of the time I'm just silently screaming inside. Actually it's not all bad at all, we've had two glorious days on the beach, managed a 3 mile coastal walk with the girls, been crabbing and today we are dolphin spotting on a boat. DS has been sleeping amazingly! I've had some 12 hour stretches between feeds so my breasts are rather Dolly Partonesque.

I hope you are all enjoying your summers. Beans you are a hero for facing the next two weeks so cheerfully. And Hons and Sybs I do hope you feel all better soon. Enjoy your reunion with your DH Kayz and Rubes I hope you get your car fixed without breaking the bank.

JamInMyWellies Mon 29-Jul-13 16:10:59

It's a BOY! gringrin

Mckayz Mon 29-Jul-13 16:24:52

Congrats Jam gringrin

beans37 Mon 29-Jul-13 17:59:37

Yay! Jam, that's ace! A whole team! How gorgeous!

Arti, well done you for bearing with it. Whereabouts are you in Wales?

Have been cheerful until DD1 had a total meltdown in the car today. I was driving along with the radio on full blast so I didn't have to hear the screams! On the up side, dropped the hound off with inlaws this morning, so that's one less thing to deal with! I feel a curry coming on tonight. Bugger it. Too tired to cook!

Rubena Mon 29-Jul-13 18:18:06

Congrats Jam! And wow, you really have a football team now!

Why do the inlaws have the hound beans?

Dd Is being a proper cow lately. Worse at 3 than as a terrible 2

Car won't be back until Thurs or Fri. Ran to preschool along tow path and wasn't sure where to cross canal. Turns out I went a bit too far but pleased I got a bit more exercise in.
Took bus home and had crazy driver. Quite scary.

beans37 Mon 29-Jul-13 18:46:10

In laws have hound as we're off to North Wales (via Shropshire and Wirral) on Weds for 2 weeks and the garden up there isn't enclosed and she's not allowed on the beach, so she'd spend the whole time locked in the house. No fun.

sybilfaulty Mon 29-Jul-13 18:49:52

Another fine son. How wonderful. Congratulations Jammy xx

Artijoke Mon 29-Jul-13 19:16:33

Congrats Jam! I love a matching brood. While I am delighted to have a son I was rather taken with having three girls when I found I was preggers. Are the boys pleased.

We saw dolphins today and seals and spider crabs. It was great. The girls loved the boat trip and MiL watched DS which was nice if her even if she smelt poo but felt nappies were "beyond her grandmotherly duty" so left him, when we got back his nappy had leaked up his back and down his legs, I had to throw his whole outfit away. Seriously, would you offer to look after a two month old if you were not prepared to change a nappy???

Artijoke Mon 29-Jul-13 19:17:47

Oh and Beans we are on the Pembrokeshire/Ceredigion border. PiLs have a house here so we come each year. Where abouts in Wales do you go?

beans37 Mon 29-Jul-13 19:25:11

We go north western tip. Sounds glorious. And no, I wouldn't offer to look after a 2 month old if I wasn't willing to change a nappy. How odd!

I'm with you on having 3 of the same. Of course I'm happy if its a boy, but think life would be easier/cheaper if the third was a girl too!!

JamInMyWellies Mon 29-Jul-13 19:40:57

Arti how bloody weird.

Beans we need to sort out that cake/lunch date when the littlies go back to school.

Kayz I saw on FB your DH is delayed again , how frustrating.

Nolda Mon 29-Jul-13 19:49:55

Congrats, Jam.

Your MIL is mental, Arti!

Mckayz Mon 29-Jul-13 21:19:09

Thanks Jam. Now hopefully he'll be home Wednesday. Ds2 asked if he wasn't coming home because their room is a mess. Tempted to say yes and see if they'll tidy up.

beans37 Mon 29-Jul-13 21:31:38

Having been quite little in this pregnancy, 3 people today have commentEd that I must only have a couple of weeks to go! Think I have suddenly popped out! Am enormous.
Kayz, do it! See what happens! Hee hee. Evil me.

Watching Tremors. Have never been able to see the attraction of Kevin Bacon. Still can't in this, but I LOVE him in those recent adverts and that episode of Will & Grace he was in. Yum.

Need to go to bed now. But will goggle for another hour, I'm sure!

Honsandrevels Mon 29-Jul-13 21:34:09

Hurrah Jam! Fantastic to have a matching siblet. k

beans37 Mon 29-Jul-13 21:49:22

PS despite all my chat about not being mad on the dog, I am missing her terribly. She just makes me feel safe!

Rubena Mon 29-Jul-13 22:34:51

When we don't get back in time to collect her (dog) from kennel, after hols, or have to drop her off a day early, I hate it. So weird without her in the house.
House finally tidy and on top of washing after family visit!
Arti your mil is mental - she makes my mother look like Mary Poppins.

ShadyLadyT Mon 29-Jul-13 23:44:14

Oh Jam, that's really lovely. How exciting. Bet the boys are thrilled!

I am just dashing in for now - last week we didn't break up until midweek then I had to take the girls to London to see their cousins from Bermuda, then we were off to the Midlands for my nephew's 21st, then today we've been in Swindon to sign some papers for the remortgage thingy then tomorrow is London as close friends over from Canberra, then Southampton for the night!

Have made it up with DP (though secretly am still a bit cheesed off), am TT DD2 and just racing around in the usual stupid way. I know it sounds idiotic but this school holiday just seems too short to get everything done that I need to. Am off to Mum's for the whole of next week, we're in Poland 14-21 Aug and then there ain't much of the holiday left!

Rubes - so crummy about the car. Really sorry. I know how awful those big car bills are. And I missed saying Happy Birthday to your DD.

Arti, I cannot believe you were so close camping! I could probably have walked! Oh but your DD1 has been a little star at school. Bet you're bursting with pride and I hope she is too.

And you were probably also close by for that matter Beans! Glad DD1 enjoyed being a bridesmaid - my DD1 adored it last year.

Sorry you are still waiting for DH, Kayz. Must be yucky.

Was looking at the Mitford graves today, most of them are buried fairly near hear. What a fascinating but weird lot.

Have lost bugger all on the 5:2. Mind you, I can only do one fast day this week.

Right, more soon hopefully. Must try to sleep....

beans37 Tue 30-Jul-13 22:18:39

Weather forecast for north Wales next week: rain. Yay.

Artijoke Wed 31-Jul-13 08:21:07

It's certainly raining in Wales today Beans, but for the last few days its been forecast to rain yet the sun has shone, so you never know.

Lady, where abouts in Oxon are you? I had no idea we camped so close. We basically camped under the white horse near a village called Uffington. It was stunning. We also went to another village called something like Buscot which had an amazing river we all swam in. I do love your county although I know you are ambivalent about it. It's good to hear you made up with DP, what was the fight about? Has it put you off DC3?

DD2 fell over spectacularly on the way home from the pub last night. I had to remove several small bits of gravel from a cut in her forehead. We would have taken her to hospital but hospitals that stay open past 6pm are few and far between in rural west Wales. I think she looks a bit better this morning. DS is doing his best to cheer her up with a series of the cutest smiles aimed in her direction.

Mckayz Wed 31-Jul-13 15:49:37

DH is finally home! DD sat looking at him for a while.

Vagolajahooli Thu 01-Aug-13 00:58:14

Hello ladies sorry for radio silence have been dealing with family and broken limbs (ds1 broke his wrist the day before we flew out).

Arti I am so proud of dd1 but a bit hmm at your inlaws, they make you cry and leave their grandson in poo? They know that is not nice.

Kayz sorry about your back how is it now? Psychologists would say don't say yes to the messy room question but I would have said yes instantly. What an opportunity!

Beans how is single parenthood treating you?

Hons & Sybs are you feeling better?

Jam yay another boy! If I had a third I'd want a boy, no idea what to do with a girl.

Rubes, nightmare with the car. That does sound odd that the gear box has gone already. Of all things that should go.

Rubena Thu 01-Aug-13 14:39:13

Hello Vag!! Hope ds is coping ok and the cast isn't spoiling too much fun! Guess it's Winter there though so easier..... Really hot here today.

My second lot of guests have now left. Originally felt a little miffed as we'd gone out of our way to attend their wedding in NZ and barely saw them then, not to mention spending about 1k to go there, but then they've been here this trip for a month and they stayed just 1 night with us. However that said, as much as I'd have liked them to stay longer, I'm happy for the break of never ending visitors to honest! But you watch, I'll be pining for someone to visit in about 2 days! I'm so far out of babydom though, I was surprised at how foreign it all was to me with their 21 month old! [look away preggo one's] and just quietly was so relieved to be past that baby stage of naps, crying, watching them on stairs, and poo!

The car: arghhhhhhh the new place was convinced it was the same issue as Volvo said (gearbox shagged) they even narrowed it down tho the dif in the gearbox after driving it, then pulled it apart and discovered the gearbox is like brand new angry Thankfully, we have written statements from Volvo saying we need gearbox replaced, plus photo's of completely pristine gearbox from the gearbox specialist but will no doubt have to pay for the labor involved to get the car back (after of course they fix the 'actual' problem - whatever that is) then we will raise hell with Volvo later.
Anyway, i'm standing by for news about it...... [fuming]

sybilfaulty Fri 02-Aug-13 11:54:28

Yesterday was intolerably hot, wasn't it? I took kids to park about 4.30 and we barely lasted an hour as it was roasting. We had to return home for a second ice cream and a lie down.

Today better but m managed to lose his raincoat so we are in turmoil. He is wearing t, t is wearing Ls and L is wearing one if mine! She keeps taking it off and draping it round her waist whilst dragging sleeves on floor. Wish my children were better at looking after things. I know it's just stuff but it is a real shag having to replace them because they lose or damage things.

Am feeling rather skint. We are watching monsters university at cinema and tickets, snacks etc come to 35 quid! Eek. Won't be doing this regularly. Thank god I've smuggled my own snacks for me in my handbag. A small packet of nuts and possibly a small can of pimms should make the film go with a bang. Naughty mummy. Going to wait til 1pm before tucking in lest any of my fellow Barry Normans think I'm an alkie.

Hope everyone is doing well.

JamInMyWellies Fri 02-Aug-13 12:10:21

I do that too Sybs. We take drinks and snacks from home. Order family tixs online (cheaper). If we can we also do the 10am showings cheaper again. I am the original skinflint.

It was disgusting yesterday. Took the dog out with the boys at 5. So so hot boys ended up in their pants swimming in the stream. grin

DeidreBarlow Fri 02-Aug-13 13:48:31

Hello lovely ladies. Back from my lovely hols in Lanzarote, with a small mountain of washing to work through. Kids had a ball. DS decided to abandon his armbands and swim without. Which is good but meant I did my best impersonation of a meerkat for the past week!

Eaten too much, drunk too much but was worth it. Diet starts Monday

Will try & catch up over the next few days but Jam. Congrats on the boy!grin

Mckayz Fri 02-Aug-13 15:19:31

I said yes about the messy room. The boys still didn't tidy it. DH sorted it yesterday with their help. We bribed them with 2p's for the amusements.

My back still isn't right. My right hip is really painful too. I've got some strong painkillers. Hope they work as we're away next week.

Vagolajahooli Fri 02-Aug-13 15:41:09

Hello ladies it 12.30am here and I need to get to sleepy byes but thought I'd pop on and say hooroo. Its a bit nippy here as I'm at my mums village called Stanthorpe in the coldest part of Queensland, but monday we are heading back up to brisbane which is in the mid 20's. Just met up with an old schoolfriend who lives in the next town was great fun we giggled through dinner then watched 'the heat' at the movies which was hilarious. I've nearly finished my first assignment for the unit I'm doing but have done almost no exercise. Will be boot camp when I get home.

Ds1 is getting on with his arm he can't do cartwheels or play violin (which is a bit annoying as we dragged the bloody thing all the way over here) but he can go for a swim when we head up to see his cousins on the sunshine coast later next week. Mum took them out to watch kangaroos at sunset tonight and tomorrow night I'm going to show them the southern cross. The night sky is so beautiful out here.

Rubes that's a bit dodgy about the gear box. What is going on with volvo?

Vagolajahooli Fri 02-Aug-13 15:46:35

Oops had to post.

Kayz your back sounds worrying, have they referred you to a physio or for any investigations?

Sybs I know what you mean about looking after stuff. Love the idea of a cheeky pimms o'clock at the movies. I have an image of you getting caught taking a slug by some teenage usher with a torch.

Hello Deids glad you had a nice time, meerkatting and all. Ds2 has become a bit lazy and wears his floaties again. Fine by me, I can enjoy watching chase lounge rather than bolt upright.

Mckayz Fri 02-Aug-13 16:25:37

No nothing Vag. On Tuesday he said it'll be fine by the weekend. Today he said it'll be ok in about 10 days.

beans37 Fri 02-Aug-13 20:54:56

DDs haven't been asleep before 9pm for days and are exhausted. But we're finally here in Wales. Had a lovely couple of days seeing DH on his way up the country. He was so pleased to see the girls and is doing very well. Against my better judgement, I am feeling rather proud of him!

Sybs, love the idea of Pimms in the cinema. Something I may also have to do!

Watching Sherlock. Love Moriarty!

beans37 Fri 02-Aug-13 20:57:35

Vag, meant to say, are you having a wonderful time?? X

beans37 Sat 03-Aug-13 12:38:52

DD1 having yet another meltdown. I just don't know what to do. Fear a going to be driven to violence!

Vagolajahooli Sat 03-Aug-13 16:16:47

Are you ok Beans. So far I've not been too mean with ds2 this trip but I think it is because we are always with other people so I have to not freak out like I would at home. I feel for you Beans did she settle down.

Having a nice time beans but it is a bit hard being with my family constantly. My brother has flown back down south, it was brilliant to see him and the boys loved him but he can be a bit intense. We are going to my sisters tomorrow she lives close and has loads of cats and two dogs. We are having a little Australian birthday party for ds1 while we are here and he wants it at my sister's. I think the animals have a lot to do with why he wants to go there but also because she & her girlfriend live in a massive block with loads of rocks and bush. They had a great time running around it the other day.

I didn't get to show them the southern cross because I mowed into my assignment tonight and they watched a movie and went to bed so I missed the opportunity. Will try tomorrow. We did see some more kangaroos tonight which was fun and as always mums lawn is full of beautiful, colourful native birds. But my assignment us finished yay. I haven't been able to put the time in I would like to so will just cross fingers for a pass, but happy it is done as next week is quite busy up in brisbane and I don't want it hanging over me.

Rubena Sat 03-Aug-13 17:37:22

Have any of you ever been so worried, upset, disappointed, angry, and sad about a multitude of events. Some related, some not, that although you want to moan about it all you don't have the energy to re tell it all? That's where I'm at right now. So really not trying to be cryptic or dramatic, just at end of tether, wanted to vent but realised Dont have energy!
Have just got home, put running gear on and plonked on the couch, waiting for it to cool down slightly. Although, I have enough adrenalin I should just go now.
Hopefully back later. And can catch up too.
I'm fine lol.

As you were.....

DeidreBarlow Sat 03-Aug-13 18:42:45

Oh beans hope DD1 has calmed down for you

Vag glad the hols is going wellsmile

Rubes I know exactly what you mean! Are you ok, you sound really fed up at the mo? Really hope things pick up for you and you feel a bit better. Get out for that run it will help clear your head and give you a bit if 'you' time x

So DD had her ears pierced today. She is 7 in 2 weeks, so it's an early birthday treat. Her 2 best friends both have pierced ears and I admit I caved to peer (hers) pressure. My mum is not happy with me! I know it's quite young but it's not that young is it confused

Artijoke Sat 03-Aug-13 19:00:06

Oh Rubes that does not sound good. Are you OK? I saw on Twitter that you have had some family stresses (I'm not a stalker, I lurk but never tweet, I worry how Twitter shows my real name and is easily google able).

And are you ok Beans? Remember you are solo parenting while heavily preggers so whatever is happening cut yourself a lot of slack.

Deids, I don't think it's that young,DD1 is the same age and has never mentioned ear piercing but I would listen to her arguments if she really wanted it. Is your DD more settled with friendships now? I remember that in Y1 she has similar issues to my DD1 with a manipulative friend.

Glad you are having a nice trip. It's a shame you have to study while on hols.

I an shattered, I ache with tiredness. DS has done some amazing nights recently so I'm not sure why I feel more tired than I did when he was waking every three hours. I think it's looking after the other two with no school or childcare DD2 is particularly exhausting at the mo, that girl needs to start school and be challenged by someone else). Did others find breastfeeding physically exhausting? I remember having more energy after I stopped with the DDs. Thing us I probably won't stop before he is 12 months and I need more energy RIGHT NOW!

Honsandrevels Sat 03-Aug-13 21:42:12

Hello everyone,

Rubes How are you feeling today? It sounded as though everything collided to create a horrible day. Heat doesn't help either.

Arti Do you think you could be low on iron? Try upping your red meat and see if you feel any improvement. Wash it down with orange juice to help absorption.

Beans I watched Sherlock last night too. I was on the edge of my seat even though I've seen that episode at least 3 times! Can't wait for the new series.

I realised what a saddo I've become when I was genuinely excited to find our new tumble dryer has a light that comes on when you open it like a fridge. What would my 16 year old self think of me?!