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November 2012 - Crawling? Already? Uh-oh!

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StuntNun Mon 24-Jun-13 22:05:43
PetiteRaleuse Mon 24-Jun-13 22:15:39

Mine's not and long may that last grin

Kyzordz Mon 24-Jun-13 22:16:56

Marking place! Eric cannot yet crawl, he can roll back to front, front to back, sit, stand holding on, walk holding on and bounces like a trooper. As for crawling he flails like a disabled worm, but gets about doing so!

How are the other quiche babies doing in the movement department?

Pikz Mon 24-Jun-13 22:22:57

Have a crawler in need of a crash helmet here!

ValiumQueen Mon 24-Jun-13 22:31:58

J doesn't even sit yet.

I wonder if this thread will be slower as everyone appears to have fucked off to FB :-)

ValiumQueen Mon 24-Jun-13 22:32:47

See, I am even forgetting how to grin

BigPigLittlePig Mon 24-Jun-13 22:56:37

Lol VQ

F rolled once from front to back. No rolling since, in any direction. She can sit for hours. Today she reverse bum shuffled about 10cms. She does a wicked stomach crunch. But actual movement? No, no chance.

Suspect she has her mothers wibbly wobbly arms and therefore cannot support her rapidly increasing weight to crawl.

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 24-Jun-13 22:59:18

Min can sit but cannot roll. We have laminate which doesn't help with the movement stuff!

StuntNun Mon 24-Jun-13 23:35:49

J can almost sit unaided at 7.5 months. He can't half roll though, you can't put him down without him flipping into his back. No sign of crawling at all, just angry parachuting. DS2 walked at 9 months, I suspect J may take a leetle while longer than that.

kirrinIsland Tue 25-Jun-13 01:21:57

Marking place

Lily311 Tue 25-Jun-13 06:17:06

O sits unaided even in slippery bath. She finally rolls from back to front and front to back, also does some commando crawling though she is extremely slow. She doesn't take steps when holding onto my fingers but likes standing up. My baby is growing up.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 25-Jun-13 08:20:00

"Angry parachuting" grin

StuntNun Tue 25-Jun-13 09:33:28

I can't remember who came up with that description PR but it describes it perfectly. He lies in his tummy with his arms and legs stretched up behind him, kicking his legs like mad as if he's trying to swim through the air. He doesn't even try to get up on his hands and knees.

PennieLane Tue 25-Jun-13 11:37:42

Hey! I think I've missed a couple of threads, marking place now.

LO crawls/rolls around-desperately need to baby proof. She also walks with her walker and pulls herself up on furniture. Think shell be a walker by 8/9months (like me). She does seem more toddler like now!

I have just got myself a new job-two days per week from jan (LOs 14 month bday actually!) feeling v happy as was redundant, and a bit lost. It's with old organisation in the same area, the job will eventually move to Mexico in 2015 but they want me to keep things ticking over until they recruit someone there. That's fine! Now need to find a good nursery!!

Passmethecrisps Tue 25-Jun-13 11:55:40

Hia pennie

My P rolls like a commando on an assault course. I have detailed on the other thread her attempts at crawling. Apparently DH walked at 9 months and I was about a year. Not sure whether p will follow suit.

Donnadoon Tue 25-Jun-13 17:37:49


StuntNun Tue 25-Jun-13 17:51:50

Was that an invisible post Donna?

PetiteRaleuse Tue 25-Jun-13 18:42:45

Well done Lily smile

Brockle Tue 25-Jun-13 18:55:35

nope but he does some lovely backwards swimming grin grin and rocking on all fours grin

Donnadoon Tue 25-Jun-13 19:00:18

Ha sorry I had no time earlier ...erm so no crawling here..she razzes around in walker though, pulling on curtains and table cloths and touching hot oven door ..you name it.
She sits up beautifully and rolls
And she got her first tooth last night/this morn... I felt it with spoon this morn giving her her shreddies ! grin

PurplePidjin Tue 25-Jun-13 19:07:50

Nice one, Pennie!

I have a rolling, sitting, angry parachutist here too. I crawled at 7m and dp walked at 10m so I'm frantically trying to make at least my lounge safe!

R went down awake shock well, drowsy. Opened his eyes then dropped off on transfer grin

PurplePidjin Tue 25-Jun-13 19:09:15

Oh and Tara Moore is 1 set all with Kaia Kanepi. Fx for a second British woman to get through tennis

ChasingDaisy Tue 25-Jun-13 19:10:37

Lovely getting together stories smile

So today I have confirmed with the letting agent that I am to be taking off the tenancy and have sorted the council tax. Just tv licence and utilities to go. I have also been house and furniture hunting. But mostly I have been having major wibbles about how I will cope alone. I am already exhausted and I don't have any housework or cooking to do.

ChasingDaisy Tue 25-Jun-13 19:14:15

Another rolling, almost sitting, angry parachutist here. He does stick his bum in the air but then face plants. He has suffered a lack of floor time since moving here though due to the dog.

Bryzoan Tue 25-Jun-13 19:48:37

Another angry parachutist here. Ge is acomplished at rolling though and can sit for a little while unsupported before flopping. He also likes standing holding on to r's sand and water table and playing with eating the sand and splashing the water. He is loving clapping - and this lunchtime I convinced myself he signed "more". No real babbling yet - which I am really holding out for.

Really lovely hearing your and dh's story Lily.

Dh and I met on a dive club ski trip. I thought he was a bit wet because he didn't like live music. He thought I was a noisy adrenaline junky. Neither of us would have imagined we'd end up together. But... A year later I ended up without a car and he started giving me lifts to dive trips, and the more time we spent together the more I fancied the pants if him we realised we had in common. And it went from there.

Kirrin - I'm so sorry I got you mixed up with horsey. I was reading too quickly and got distracted by the horse. Hope you are coping ok. It's a horrible situation to be in.

Horsey - sorry I took your name in vain! Hope all is ok with you and with LO's arm now.

Stunt, vq and pr - gin big hugs all round. Pr we went for the stair gate when we moved r out of the cot. She hated it, but has gradually settled and now goes straight to sleep. We went in and settled her every 5 mins to start with.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 25-Jun-13 19:49:18

You'll cope chasing far better than back when you were walking on eggshells all the time. The worst of the sleepless nights is now over fingers crossed, and before you know it LO will be wanting to hold his bottle himself, feed himself much more confidently and want to move about on his own rather than be carried.

Then he'll go from that to potty training, being able to dress himself, into nursery then school. Every month there will be something you either don't have to do as much of, or at all. Or you'll get more used to doing whatever it is so you'll do it quicker, hardly noticing it. When he starts talking you won't have as much stress trying to interpret his crying. And you'll be able to set a routine which suits you, which doesn't take anyone else into account.

It won't always be easy, but one think I am sure of is that you absolutely will cope smile

PurplePidjin Tue 25-Jun-13 19:54:10

Probably not possible for most but i know there are others here in cloth...

Sainsburys are giving away a free pack of nappies if you spend £50 (including the cost of the nappies, you have to put them through with your order) i emailed my mum earlier (she regularly spends that much anyway) and just saw a thread on here - if you won't use them yourself, get them anyway and donate to a basics bank, church or children's centre


YellowWellies Tue 25-Jun-13 19:57:09

J is a happy sitter, delighted stander, happy roller and one who manages to move around by lying flat on his back and kicking. He's moved a wee bit yesterday by a sort of bum shuffle. Crawling - he gets the idea, lifts his bum or his shoulders - he's only managed to lift both ends occasionally (he once dragged himself 3 foot without lifting his bum but that's yet to be repeated) but is too wee of arm just yet - thank god. He's a furious sky diver within 5 mins of trying. He yells then dejectedly sobs into the carpet pounding his wee fists poor soul.

Madam that recipe for muffins (dairy and soy free whoop!) looks lovely thanks for sharing.

Just caught up on the 6 week weaning thread, my sister has a slightly evil but probably partially true theory that the folks who wean stupidly early do so because they want their kids to achieve something 'first' and once they get to reading, talking, other cognitive developments - the family stupidity means they're quickly overtaken. Told you it was evil blush but grin .

The in laws are here and worshipping the bear and MIL has only discreetly disposed of half of his BLW finger foods at meal time as a choking risk grin

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 25-Jun-13 19:58:56

No crawling here yet but she gets around by rolling all over the place which is bad enough. She can sit unaided for around 30 secs max at the moment.

Loving the get together stories. Bit of a long winded together story fir me and DH. I met my xp in Ibiza. DH was on same holiday but he was with someone. We (me and xp) had a snog in a club but didn't swap nos but his mate chatted to my mate so found out where she worked. When we got back to uk my xp went to where she worked and asked her for my no. I thought it was so romantic that he tracked me down. Anyway I was with him for 5 yrs but me and DH became really good friends during this time. Things fizzled out with xp so we split but remained good friends. Me and DH got closer and i realised that actually he was the one for me but he still had a girlfriend. My friend went travelling for a yr(same friend as i was on holiday with) so to get away from relationship shit I went to Bali for a month to meet her. DH realised he felt the same way about me so he split with his girlfriend, flew to bali to tell me how he felt and the rest is history. Xp is getting married at the end of this year and DH is best man so luckily it's all turned out well. I've now been with DH for 6 yrs but known him for nearly 12.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 25-Jun-13 20:02:00

Wrote a post before, but lilys manic posting made it vanish! Gist of it was....F is sticking up 2 fingers to food, but making up for it with oodles of ff. Dietitian went well, but nothing new to add to the quiche wisdom. Not to even try to introduce soya/milk until 12m+.

Loving hearing how people got together with their dps. I met dh at work, he used to take me on icecream dates, and we snogged in the changing rooms grin

Chasing you will manage fine my love, there is nothing you can't do - and this time round, you won't have to do with a dragon breathing down your neck.

Bryzoan Tue 25-Jun-13 20:03:54

Well done chasing. You will manage. Really. Just try not to stress too much about housework beyond the bare minimum to start with and don't put too much pressure on yourself to cook either. Just focus on enjoying o - it will get easier and housework etc can slot into place then. You are doing phenomenally for that little man of yours. X

YellowWellies Tue 25-Jun-13 20:04:21

But my god does he babble 'abba' 'am am' 'Dada' (not at anyone just yet) high pitched singing and making noises whilst whacking the palm of his hand over his open mouth 'awawaw'. Go white.

I met DH at work. Smokers corner. 1.5 years after we met, both newly single, I invited colleagues for a nerdy cinema trip to see a film on climate change at the phoenix in Oxford, lucky for me all tickets had sold out when we got there so we went to the next door pub instead and then I dragged him back to my lair bwahaha....

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 25-Jun-13 20:06:59

Got my dates completely wrong...I've known DH 16 yrs and been with him for nearly 10. How could I get that wrong!! Not that it matters but feel I should correct it grin

YellowWellies Tue 25-Jun-13 20:07:14

Go white = gobshite fecking demure autocorrect!!!!

Evilwater Tue 25-Jun-13 20:14:58

chasing glad too see your moving on so well.
pass hope your LO settles in the other room well.
Tis morning has been a complete disaster! n just cried and screamed, and thier were tears everywhere, and snot! The ONLY place where he would stop crying is on me, and NO where else. sad so I gave him some paracetamol and he seems to cheer up. smile he went to nursey and he was ok. He slept loads there so I'm guessing, he is mega over tired too.


Evilwater Tue 25-Jun-13 20:20:48

Lets see, n is 9 months next week. He can sit up for long periods but can't sit up from laying down, finger walk loads, and at a huge push craw 50cm. That's pretty much it.


fruitpastilles Tue 25-Jun-13 20:41:13

S can't crawl yet, she rolls around all over the place now though, I used to leave her on her playmat while I had a showers, until the other week when I found her under her cot when I got out. She can sit for hours if I sit her up but can't sit up herself from lying down. She is trying to pull herself up, but only when she is on the settee and using me to do it.

Pikz Tue 25-Jun-13 20:48:45

Big hugs VQ and PR

Chasing you will be all kinds of awesome and living without fear.

I met DP on a ski lift and he lived in joburg and I lived here. 3 months after we met he sent me a plane ticket to joburg and the rest is history. He emigrated over here 9 months after we met. Was 5 years at the weekend.

Canada tomorrow, am exhausted and not even there yet. But a tooth had cut and he's cracked crawling so hoping for a good sleep tonight.

Donnadoon Tue 25-Jun-13 20:52:26

Oh and I met my DH at 15 ... 18 years ago...I thank god everyday I've been so blessed. grab the sick bowl sorry!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Tue 25-Jun-13 20:57:57

YW I inspired myself and have just taken a tray of the banana muffins out of the oven!

DS cant quite crawl forward, but zooms around backwards, gets onto all fours and sort of propels himself forward, usually ending in a face-plant. He rolls onto his front immediately on being put down, and really rears up. He can sit for a couple of minutes, getting better, and is very strong on his feet - he will stand holding onto fingers, or grabbed by DD and forced to 'dance' or 'wiggle'.

I've told this before but DH was my first boyfriend and person I shagged. We dated as teenagers, I decided he was unsuitable, broke up and stayed in contact. I went to uni, he got with his exP, and had DSD. We stayed in touch sporadically, but got together for what I expected to be just a quick and dirty fling which wouldn't increase my numbers blush after he and his exP broke up. Got engaged after a year, married 9 months later, and our little surprise DD arrived 18 months later. It's a bloody slog at times, he infuriates me beyond comprehension, but he's a great dad, is making more of an effort, and I never have to worry about being anything other than completely myself in front of him, scabby feet, hairy legs and tantrum central and all.

ChasingDaisy Tue 25-Jun-13 21:04:47

Some really romantic stories here. Me and XP met at work. He was my line manager. We both became came out of long term relationships within a month of each other and hooked up a few months later. Rebound thing for us both possibly.

Passmethecrisps Tue 25-Jun-13 21:06:41



<wipes stinking fish out of eyes>
<flicks flakes into box
<posts spring loaded box to MK>

Thanks for the fish VQ. I have been needing that all day actually. I don't know WTF is wrong with me but I need a good fucking shake.

Congrats on the anniversary VQ. Lovely. DH and I met at uni. Were good pals. Snogged at grad ball but he left to go to London. 6 months later I texted him merry Christmas and he responded by inviting me down to stay. I worried for days about whether is should pack a sleeping bag - was it presumptuous not too. My pal told the story at our wedding including the fact that my PJ's came back unworn. We waited 11 years before getting engaged then get married and pregnant within 6 months. Nae messing around with us.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 25-Jun-13 21:16:48

6 months til Christmas everyone grin

Thanks for the recipe madame

I've known DH 10 years this summer, and been together 9 years and 2 weeks. There was a couple of months where we kept snogging but I fancied his mate. Realised his mate was taking the piss and DH and I got together. Don't think people expected it to last as I was much much younger but it has.

M learnt to crawl yesterday but so far doing only short distances (to place she shouldn't be - wires, shelves, fireplace) she rolls lots and sits up from lying down. She's started climbing and pulling herself up on things. She loves standing up and tries to walk but gets excited, bounces and falls over grin &#128041;

Think I need to get M some less babyish toys, what does everyone play with now they're past the bouncy chair, playmat stage?

Kyzordz Tue 25-Jun-13 21:38:49

Got the end of the last Fred to catch up with never mind this one! Bet this reply takes me ages!

Thanks for the dried fruit advice, will try some soon, is on my to do list! Tomorrow was just gonna do stuff on toast for tea blush not sure if this will be substantial enough for e for tea or if I should get him a tub of purée something out.

Tv... Eric used to be mesmerised by the tv but he's not all that fussed by it now tbh!

Sounds like an awful night vq hope tonight's is better!

brew for everyone needing one though I realise I'm very late with the brew!!

Aww yw what a lovely kissy moment!!

pr I've nothing to suggest but I really do sympathise and hope you can resolve things. The plan of action you have sounds good though hope you can get dp on board

Definitely sounds like eggs are an issue for j stunt after reading your post. Hope he continues to improve with you not eating anything with eggs in

No bplp I don't think you are being unreasonable, that's a fuck tonne of money for a hen do!!

Woohoo brill news det fabby sleep from o!!!

pass e is dead set on trying to crawl too only he's bloody rubbish at it! This afternoon he kept lunging to the floor only to wriggle and squirm and moan that he can't sodding get anywhere!!

Lots of lovely 'how we met' stories! Me and dp met at school when we were 13. We got together at 14, and it's been ten years this September. Time flies!!!

chasing you will cope and do a brill job of it too, honest you will smile for now just take each day as it comes smile

6 week weaning Fred... Will have a peek if I can find it....

<shakes pass lots> I think you're doing great lovely, p will get there. We should have a good shake up together! Are we still weaning buddies? Do you have anything in particular planned for p tomorrow?

PetiteRaleuse Tue 25-Jun-13 21:39:20

LO likes noisy toys. Anything that needs batteries and can be bashed to make sound or light or both.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 25-Jun-13 21:41:26

F is going to the childminder tomorrow for the first time sad

What shall I do in the 3 hours I am child free!? other than panic like crazy and possibly cry

PetiteRaleuse Tue 25-Jun-13 21:44:35

Read a book; have a lovely long bath; get your hair done; nails; go shopping; take a book to a coffee shop; sleep....


MadamGazelleIsMyMum Tue 25-Jun-13 21:46:53

BP just enjoy it. Do not do chores. Do something for you.

fatima DS likes noisy toys too. Also a weird material chicken thingy sister brought him from theUS. And packets of wet wipes. And he gets very excited about DD's babies, but isn't often allowed to hold then, or if he is, they are usually snatched right back grin

Pikz Tue 25-Jun-13 21:47:18

Fatima same as PR but include maracas and a tambourine. His favourites are some horrible vtech ball thing and the front of a vtech walker. He also likes the fisher price giggle gang on my iPad and his hi chair stick on toys.

Arghhhh my mum has a cough and its doing my nut in!!!

PurplePidjin Tue 25-Jun-13 21:51:11

BP sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

We went to a friends at the weekend and she loved playing with the v tech walker thingy. Think we've some toys in the loft that were given, will have a gander.

Her fave toy at the moment is a cricket bat rattle

ChasingDaisy Tue 25-Jun-13 21:54:04

Thanks for the fish, I need a good slapping. Feeling very sorry for myself tonight. What have I got to moan about huh? Right, off to bed. 'Night all.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 25-Jun-13 21:57:33

Night chasing

Getting ready to give F her first ever nocturnal bottle. Feels very odd.

F lurves to play with fiddly things. The fiddlier the better. Shoelaces, labels, ribbons - you see the trend?

TheDetective Tue 25-Jun-13 22:16:21

OMG, Pikz and Fatima our babies were born on the same day, and they all sounds so VERY similar!

Pikz O loves the front of his vtech walker. He's been button bashing since 10 weeks old!

The flowers spin in the sun..... FUCK OFFFFFFFFFF!!!!

Fatima toys wise, just everything and anything noisy. Got a vtech bundle from facebook. I'd still say the vtech walker is the favourite though hands down! He likes small rattles, and sophie the giraffe too.

horseylady Tue 25-Jun-13 22:18:59

Crawling here. Huge distances. Nutter baby. He tries to climb as well. Mummy is one his favourite things to climb. Must get him on a pony. He was trying to climb the dogs. I stopped that one.

Hugs to those that need it.

Pass shell eat when she's ready. The HV asked me how weaning was going. I said slowly. She asked what we were doing and said it sounded ok. Which considering he voms so much was a surprise. Anyways, she will eat when she's ready. There's a lot of people who say their babies didn't eat till later. Told the HV about the elbow incident and she wasn't very nice sad said shell check for the a&e report. Jesus, he's fine. We don't know how it happened.

TheDetective Tue 25-Jun-13 22:22:24

So, O has been mobile since 4.5 months. Whirling his way around like feck knows what. The second he figured rolling, that was it really.

Crawling since the weekend, and is getting faster and faster and covering more distance each day. He only crawls to where he shouldn't though. Of course. I expect no less from him! Fireplace, wires, xbox/sky box/dvd player, laptop. VQ O made it to the shiny pebbles today.... siiiiiiiigh! We just heard the tinkling of them falling on to the granite below.

Sitting - check. He has been sitting steady and for long periods for the last 2-3 weeks. He started sitting at 5.5 months but it took a month for him to master it fully.

He also likes to lift his bum in the air, and flip his legs up, then slam them down. It goes through me. It should hurt him. He uses it as another tool to get around. Weirdo.

Does anyone elses baby kick the crap out of them? Changes are a nightmare, as it is kick kick kick, roll, kick, roll, lift and leg kick. Over and over. And it is worse if I do it on my knee, as I end up with his head on the floor, and holding on to one leg.

He's a real mover hmm.

Fuck. I'm fucked.

I won't bore you with the story of how I met DP! It's long and embarrassing!

TheDetective Tue 25-Jun-13 22:23:59

Oh and he needs to hurry up and learn to sit from lying. He's half way there!

TheDetective Tue 25-Jun-13 22:26:52

Oh, speaking of teeth - anyone recommend a toothpaste? O likes his teeth brushed, but not with toothpaste.

We have the milk tooth one. Need something very mild tasting if anyone knows of any?!

StuntNun Tue 25-Jun-13 22:35:15

I cannot explain how I met DH as it is a long-winded story, suffice to say he was dressed as a carrot at the time. We started going out in 1996, got married in 1998 so it'll be out fifteenth anniversary this November if he's in the country, he's missed the last four because he's been in Japan!

YellowWellies Tue 25-Jun-13 22:36:12

Det Jonas tries to kick me in the neck / use me as a lever to kick away off the change mat when I give him omeperazole envy .

Horsey shock to your horrible HV!!!! I know they have to be cautious but shock shock shock

Jonas' only noisy toy is the jumperoo and he's often in that without the sound on blush he loves wipes packets best (probably because he's deprived of noisy toys!)

GTbaby Tue 25-Jun-13 22:39:02

Detective. I wana know! Tell us all the cringe worthy details.

YellowWellies Tue 25-Jun-13 22:41:40

Yep I've got my brew ready go on Det wink

ValiumQueen Tue 25-Jun-13 22:48:45

Not caught up but just want to report a fucking awful bedtime. Awful awful awful reflux with full on screaming. Inconsolable. Beyond a fucking joke, and this is with a full day of ranitidine and the only solids was rice cakes and papaya. Teething and I cold granted, but my God it was bad. Of course I am blaming myself although fuck knows why. Just because I do I guess. I have a fish and will be slapping myself shortly. Grr.

TheDetective Tue 25-Jun-13 22:57:30

Oh the jumperoo is falling out of favour now that the monkey is crawling! I have to say, I won't miss it grin. The only thing it is good for is keeping him in one place while I do stuff!

Actually, that's a lie, it kept him entertained for ages. But it's frigging enormous!

O uses all his moving tactics when it comes to ranitidine! He's cool with calpol now and ibuprofen. But fucking HATES ranitidine with a passion! He used to hate calpol - I thought it was the texture. Now he is on solids and used to texture he's fine with it. It's the taste of ranitidine he hates. Not sure how on earth to fix that one, except for mixing it with something. But what?!

O doesn't trust me with a syringe these days as he doesn't know if he's getting calpol or ranitidine! He's very cautious! He prefers to hold it himself hmm.

M also loves wipes packets hmm

Nappy changes are a nightmare as she either rolls over and tries to bugger off or does sit ups. I end up giving her a baby wipe or a nappy to try keep her entertained.

TheDetective Tue 25-Jun-13 23:24:22

Erm, well, when I split with ex DP I had no friends where I live. I decided I needed to make friends. A girl I knew from school who had previously moved to the area started chatting to me over facebook. I kept getting random adds from people who were friends with this person from school. A couple of men added me - one in particular was very good looking. We would chat online all the time, eventually he gave me his number. He said he wanted to meet me, but would make excuses not to at the last minute.

Then a person who happened to be facebook friends with both him and me asked me if I wanted to meet up, and I figured why not - I'd already chatted to this guy online, and knew that the person I went to school with knew them. The good looking guy was messing me around, and here was someone else asking me to do stuff. I was lonely, and wanted to get out and do things! So I figured I should go for it.

So I met him in the local park good open space, busy area etc! grin. And got on like a house on fire. That was in Feb 2009.

Eventually I met this other guy. Stuff happened. He turned out to be a twat though, a user. Proper cocklodger.

The day before my birthday in Nov 2009 the cocklodger, and the other dude were my house. The plan was for them to stay over so I wouldn't wake alone on my birthday (first ever birthday as a single person!). Cocklodger didn't want to stay, but he wouldn't leave me alone with the other guy.

I was sat on the sofa watching a film with the other guy - when he took hold of my hand underneath the duvet we were under. Previously I had not had any romantic feelings towards him, but it was like it hit me out the blue. When he held my hand I just felt something different. Like a feeling of 'coming home'.

Yes, the friend is now DP! All along from the first time he saw me, he wanted me. I didn't know this. I was too busy with the cocklodger. But he waited and bided his time! And it paid off!

2 hours later he was in my bed, and the cocklodger was left to sleep on the sofa.


I don't like how this story makes me sound! But oh well!

Oh and the cocklodger - turns out that he had set DP up to meet me so he could check me out without actually having to meet me confused. WTF?! Anyway, DP says he wanted to meet me, as he fancied me! So whether the guy had asked him to meet me or not, he would have asked me to at some point anyway!

Shame that the cocklodger is DP's best mates brother. One of the reasons I hate his best mate - but not the only one. He's a frickin' weirdo. Him and his brother haha!

I hate the fucking cocklodger. He wouldn't let anyone else have me, but wouldn't commit to a relationship. He spent my money, used my house, my things, my time. Got what he wanted without putting anything in. No idea why the fuck I put up with that at all. But DP picked the right moment to pull me out of that twats grasp! He went apeshit when me and DP went upstairs together that night. grin


TheDetective Tue 25-Jun-13 23:24:58

I have to sing through the changes Fatima but I don't think it really helps much any more!

izzybizzybuzzybees Tue 25-Jun-13 23:35:14

Popping in to say it's not your fault vq

My night is shite already. Have had 4 wake ups since bedtime. One feed.

Bedtime now...

Blardy hell second wake up already and it's not even 12. Think she might have another tooth on its way as she didn't have much tea but was chomping v hard on cold cucumber on the right side of her mouth

Fingers crossed she goes back down and sleeps until 7am fat chance

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Tue 25-Jun-13 23:58:49

Not going brilliantly here as DS has decided that now is the perfect time to exercise his vocal chords with his entire repertoire of sounds, at the top of his lungs. He's been fed, despite surely not needing anything, and is now wide awake, noisy and wanting to play. Not as bad as some of your nights but annoying. Oh, and DD taught him to blow raspberries. Loudly. Awesome grin hmm

ValiumQueen Wed 26-Jun-13 00:28:54

Thank you Izzy. Sorry you are having a poopy night. Have you noticed any improvement at all since you changed your food?

I am now on the floor in DD2s bedroom. One hot little lady with a temp of nearly 40. Breathing sounds dreadful. No word from J yet. Another day off nursery today I think. Bugger.

PurplePidjin Wed 26-Jun-13 01:45:37

Third wake. Have deployed calpol.

ValiumQueen Wed 26-Jun-13 02:01:15

Vom fest here. Now it is out hopefully she will sleep. And I can creep away slowly back to my room. My bed. Then J will wake no doubt.

MaMaPo Wed 26-Jun-13 02:16:14

Oh hello you lot. I think I've missed your last few threads.

Very little in the way of locomotion here. C can sit unaided though still wobbly, and on her tummy pushes up on her arms or does angry parachuting. No crawling, shuffling, rolling. But she's a youngun at 6.5m.

Has anyone gone through a phase of 2am wakefulness? It's party time here. Please someone reassure me it is indeed a phase!

ValiumQueen Wed 26-Jun-13 02:54:39

Yo Po! Yes it is a phase for most, normal for some. Unheard of for a rare few. I found that happened when my first two became mobile but did settle, to return every now and then.

Thankfully my J has yet to do that. I think I would prefer playfulness than illness or discomfort though.

Just back to my bed after three fucking hours. Poor DD2 is still coughing like a very coughy thing but is that beat she has not noticed me go. Hopefully. My poor old bones were getting sore on the old cot bed mattress I keep under her bed for such eventualities.

I have a hideous cough too.

ValiumQueen Wed 26-Jun-13 02:56:00

PP those nappies in sainsburys. What make are they?

Evilwater Wed 26-Jun-13 03:13:42

Another crap night here. n has decided not to stay sleeping. angry this is the 2nd time he has woken majorly tonight. Mummy is not impressed and it doesn't make for a good day.


PurplePidjin Wed 26-Jun-13 03:24:51

Own brand iirc

MaMaPo Wed 26-Jun-13 04:37:39

Oh, thanks vq. A combination of wakefulness and teething means we're on our 3rd feed of the night. Yawn. She can't be hungry, surely, but I figure it's soothing for her if she's in discomfort.

Nights like this I really really wish we had more than a 1bed flat. Would love C to have her own room. Not until November! She'll be nearly 1!

Lily311 Wed 26-Jun-13 05:44:45

Friend left, O slept through. Yey.

Toys, she likes her comforter though only gets it at nap and night times. She loves stacking boxes, brio train track (chewing not playing) and she adores her fisher price animal train. But the best things are shoes, wipes, remotes, nappies.

ChasingDaisy Wed 26-Jun-13 06:11:52

Erm, Oscar slept through... 7 - 6 shock First time ever!

kirrinIsland Wed 26-Jun-13 06:17:32

congratulations on the job pennie

sorry bout the shit night VQ Hope tonight is better brew

I'm just off to get on the bloody train as my car got clamped at work yesterday - 30 miles away! grrr Not remotely consoled by the fact it's all my own fault grin

Lily311 Wed 26-Jun-13 06:18:02

Congratulations to minichasing!

StuntNun Wed 26-Jun-13 06:28:41

Man I'm tired. J slept 9 - 3 then 3.30 - 6.15 but I didn't get to bed till 11.30 because I was tidying up. confused The house is an utter disaster area and I have a viewing tomorrow night. I was hoping to get the place tidy yesterday so I could clean today but I didn't even get the downstairs finished. I'll just have to stay up tonight until it's done. Not great when I'm already wrecked. I don't even want to sell the house any more as I have a planning application in for an extension but until that's approved I suppose we need to keep our options open.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 06:40:30

Fab news chasing

Completely forgot to congrat pennie on her new job so congratulations. You don't fancy moving to Mexico once the contract is up?

stunt was about to lay into mrstunt for not helping you but Iirc he is in Trier?

One wake up here, but I kept myself awake as usual...

After the two early waking, thought I was in for a night of crap sleep. Took myself off to the sofa away from DHs snoring and thrashing.

M slept 11:30-5am!! Longest she's done in a long time. Yay!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 07:41:43

Sorry you had such a bad night vq

StuntNun Wed 26-Jun-13 07:46:48

Yep PR MrStunt is in Germany, DS1 is playing up something chronic including pouring water in DS2's bed Monday night so I had to change his sheets. J decided to greet the day at 6.15 this morning and now he's complaining that he's tired the silly sausage.

PurplePidjin Wed 26-Jun-13 08:03:03

We were up ever 1 1/2 - 2 hours all fucking night.

Do not expect me to make sense today so just like normal then hmm

Passmethecrisps Wed 26-Jun-13 08:27:50


To do list for today:
Chill the fuck out
Go for a walk in the sunshine
Entirely unreasonably buy a coffee (we have a 12 cup coffee machine and we drink a full pot every morning)
Find a sacrifice to make to the snot, reflux, teething gods for VQ, izzy, stunt and so on
Laugh at the fun things P does like squealing at the cat or finding her new frog bib hilarious.
Try not to get wound up by the mess and the whingeing

And swear a lot. It is fucking Wednesday after all

PurplePidjin Wed 26-Jun-13 08:38:36

To do list for today:

Teach friend how to use stretchy wrap for her nap-dodging 7wo
Give blood
Work tonight drink tea and play uno

ChasingDaisy Wed 26-Jun-13 08:49:10

oh fuck, there were some really shit nights last night sad

VQ poor J and poor you, that sounds horrendous.

stunt, once again I wish I could fly over there and help you.

VQ and PP yep, it is the Sainsbos little ones nappies. I use them for O's daytime nappies and they're pretty good.

O is a kicker here too. Favourite toys are packets of wipes, keys and remote controls. He loves his jumperoo, stacking rings and stacking cups.

To do today:

Walk to the library with O and register us both with a library card.
Pack up O's too small clothes.
Take name off utility bills at flat.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 08:55:15

To do list for today:

- prepare batch of ratatouille
- do a couple of hours of study (45 minutes already done)
- prepare guest bedroom
- write up business plan new routine and long term sleeping objectives
- laundry
- write up my return to work plan (don't ask but it involves lists and lots of organisation and reorganisation of the house)

Exciting life led here. But I am feeling much more positive today. I think it's because after yesterday's discussion I'm allowing myself to be more control freakish open to organising the home like I would organise the office. Writing everything down really helps and I presented the new rulez to DH last night as a done deal, and we were able to have a focussed discussion rather than a vague 'oh we must do something about this' one.

Yes, aware I am coming over as a sad case.

ValiumQueen Wed 26-Jun-13 09:32:21

Fucking child tax credits have cut our money in half with no warning. I will be spending my day on the phone to them. Whilst looking after two sick kids.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 26-Jun-13 09:37:53

Fuck me chasing that's awesome!

I'm down with the shit sleepers club. 6oz at 10pm, then she woke at 1.50. There was no effing way she was hungry, so I rubbed her back for 40 minutes until she fell asleep. Which lasted 10 minutes hmm. So I slept on a cotbed mattress on the floor (sound familiar vq!?). She spent the night between my bed and hers. BUT didn't feed again until 5am (otherwise boobs would have exploded in a messy fashion). So 7 hours between feeds which is much better. I am determined to crack these nocturnal snackings, she doesn't need them. I kept reminding myself of the article I posted a few weeks ago, where the author said "of course they'll cry, because who wouldn't, when your favourite drink on tap is removed". The gist of it was, they cry because they're pissed off, nothing else. And it was true.

Anyhoo. She has been deposited at the childminders in a screaming fit with oodles of tears pouring down her face and heart rending sobs sad. Worst. Thing. Ever. Only 3 hours til I can collect her though grin

To do list:
Make a very strong pot of brew and hand round to fellow sleep deprived quiche mummys
Go to baby group without a baby so I can gossip with RL mummy friends (this isn't too weird, no?)
Collect the piglet from CMs
Spend hours cuddling her and trying to make her giggle

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 09:40:42

shock why the fuck have they done that? Twats.

I am mildly irritated by some fb related passive aggressiveness from my SIL. Has gone through my England photos liking all the ones of DH and the DC; in fact the only photo with someone she knows on that she hasn't liked is the one with just me on it. I hate being so stereotypical and having such issues with my MIL and SIL but they are quite ridiculous.

<waves at MIL in case she is still stalking and google translating these threads>

Lily311 Wed 26-Jun-13 10:34:32

Tesco does online shopping as of today in Hungary, guess who placed an order for tmrw eve?? I'm fucking fed up going through the whole city. The best thing is that delivery is exactly the same price as the return bus ticket.

To do list:
Unload washing machine
Load washing machine
Finish cleaning
Catch up on emails
Take O to playground

Kyzordz Wed 26-Jun-13 10:49:50

Morning all! 8-7, with a wake up at 6:20 but think that was because of dp getting in from work, he went back off with his dummy smile

Catching up from where I left you all last night...

bplp do something for yourself, hope it goes ok smile bet f will be fine smile

Ds likes noisy toys and things with lights but mostly he wants the remotes! And phones. Neither of which he is allowed. Probably why he wants them! Oh and tags and laces and buttons too. And Sophie the giraffe

pikz e loves his horrid vtech ball too. I hate it!

No idea on a toothpaste det sorry! Still no teggies here!

Oh vq that does not sound fun at all sad

Nappy changes are a nightmare here too, he wants to be anywhere else and is a bugger to hold down!

Hey mamapo nice hearing from you smile e did a period of waking up at about 6 months I think, it didn't last long so hopefully you'll see the back of it soon

brew for all the bad nights sad

Fuck yes chasing how awesome!!!! Well done o!!!!

Sorry totally forgot to say congrats on the job pennie hope you enjoy it!

Definitely swear a lot pass hooray for sweary cunting weds!

Glad you're feeling more positive pr smile glad the discussion went well also smile

Fucking hell vq?!?!? Hope you get it sorted

Today's to do list...

Not stress about weaning/meals today
Get some cleaning done
Spend some time outside
Sort out freezer/fridge thing because both are full of random things and I expect lots more space once they're sorted out

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 26-Jun-13 11:25:51

Pidj well done on the blood donation. I need to get back into that too.

mamapo DS does this. Happy and wanting to play until it all gets too boring for words so screaming replaces the chatting/singing/blowing of raspberries.

VQ fuckers

BPLP it will get easier to leave her. She probably stopped crying the second you'd driven off.

pennie yay! on the job front!

PR Military style organisation of absolutely everything in written form is the only way I can cope with life anything stressful. I make my plan, I inform people of the plan I pretend to take comments on board, we execute the plan. Even the word plan makes me feel calm and happy. PLAN <soothed>

kyz looks like you and chasing had good nights grin envy

To do list for today:
- thread some currency for greek friends getting married who are having a money dance
- book in chap to come and steam clean the floors at home (original wooden floorboards in old terrace house which look lovely but which are so fucking filthy and DS is obsessed with zooming around on them)
- Menu plan for next week
- budget for next month
- see if new Wednesday routine makes a difference to bedtime tonight
- attempt not to lose temper with DH for minor reasons although how minor is being lazy, initiative-less, blind-to-chores, etc

PLAN <soothed>

wellieboots Wed 26-Jun-13 11:57:34

hello! Have missed the last I don't know how many threads but just wanted to pop in. DD started crawling last week, the flat is total chaos. She had been sitting for quite a while, about 5.5 months I think. Her new trick today was using DHs knees to pull herself from sitting to kneeling, where has my baby gone?! Hugs to all who are dealing with illness and non sleepers.

PennieLane Wed 26-Jun-13 12:00:01

Thanks everyone grin pr I do fancy Mexico, a bit like YW I have eternal wunderlust!

Sounds like some really awful nights hmm and brew I've been up since 3, but for good reasons-have just arrived in Belfast for a couple of weeks in NI/Ireland.

Loving the how we met descriptions. Makes me remember being young and carefree and it made me smile! We've been together 10 years too, married two. Met at uni, my friend arranged to sit next to him at college ball, but we hit it off. She met someone else and is still with him!

StuntNun Wed 26-Jun-13 12:01:22

Top tip for traumatised mummies leaving their darlings at nursery / childminders... When DS1 was in nursery I would park outside the window for his room and take him in - cue hysterical crying, clinging to my leg, etc. I would prise him off my leg kiss him goodbye and walk out to the sound of heartrending sobs BUT when I got out to my car, i.e. ten seconds later, I could look in through the window to see him playing quite happily with the other kids.

StuntNun Wed 26-Jun-13 12:02:29

Welcome to NI Pennie the weather's nice today isn't it? Did you get your itinerary sorted out?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 12:15:40

It works doesn't it gazelle

Plan. Rolls off the tongue beautifully.

Like List. I get a little excited when I start a new list. Not as excited obviously as ticking things off it as they are done. Lovely lovely lists.

Pig the first time DD1 went to CM she cried quite a lot. The second time she cried when dropped off then stopped as soon as I left. That went on for quite a few sessions. After a week or so DH just handed her over and she didn't look back. If it is a good CM she will be happy to be handed over in the morning, but happy to be picked up in the evening.

I do remember how hard it was though. I cried the first day back at work every time I thought of DD1. Managed to just phone once though. The best thing to do is be busy during the session so you don't get time to dwell.

Hmm. Anyone remember just before the holidays DD1 had weird coloured diarrea? During the holidays it cleared up. But it is now starting again. I can't think of anything majorly different to her diet. She is drinking her usual milk, I guess she eats a bit more pasta here. But she also ate it in England. Not ill, no symptoms at all in fact. Just lots of weird poo.

ValiumQueen Wed 26-Jun-13 13:02:12

They are questioning our child care costs. Again. Seems they wrote a letter but I have not seen it. It is meant to be random checks but they did this last year. I wish they would tell you in advance. I hate them. If I still lived in Preston I would be there now demanding to talk to someone. I have a number for my claims manager. No name just a number. I have been calling it all morning and it does not go through. I am beyond angry.

As my manager has still not got back to me I am technically meant to be back at work a week on Monday. I will be off sick. I cannot cope as it is without work in the picture.

GTbaby Wed 26-Jun-13 13:09:50

Oh no VQ. That sucks.

Do we get a baby tooth brush as soon as 1st tooth appears... Twice a day? Someone bought we baby toothpaste. But need to get a toothbrush in prep for a tooth finally breaking through.

Speaking of teeth. My tooth ach is killer. Any ideas on local anaesthetics in pregnancy? Incase I need a filling? It's totally distracting. Couldn't sleep last night.

Omg. I just saw lo stick his tongue out. He has a tongue tie so its a first ! I wonder if its stretched?

ValiumQueen Wed 26-Jun-13 13:13:33

Local is fine GT. They have to use a special kind of filling so would cost more. If NHS they need to get permission to spend. Not sure if that applies in a pain situation though.

ValiumQueen Wed 26-Jun-13 13:42:34

I must remember that I am back on full pay soon. Thank fuck this did not happen before now.

Will post on FB but just heard back from HR smile good news it seems.

ChasingDaisy Wed 26-Jun-13 14:17:05

pig have you been reunited with piglet yet? Did you enjoy baby group sans baby?

PR different type of water causing DD's runny tum?

Took O for a trip down memory lane, walked round where I used to live and past my old school. Got us both registered at the library so O has his first library card smile. he will love books damnit Also found out about rhyme time and story time at the library which we will start this week. O then had his lunch al fresco smile

BigPigLittlePig Wed 26-Jun-13 14:28:42

Yes we're reunited chasing! She got on ok. But only had half the length of nap, half the amount of milk....double the amount of grumping! She was sound asleep in the CMs arms when I got there, apparently following an epic meltdown toy wouldn't do what she demanded of it or something Thanks for all the reassurance thanks

Anyhoo. She has just scoffed dinner plus some, and <drumrolls> rolled from back to front! Twice! Late to the game, and probably the only times she'll ever do it but still, clever piglet!

Also love a plan here. And lists. And putting things on lists that I have already done, so I can cross them off grin. I love holiday packing for this very reason. Everyone gets a list. List list list. Plan plan plan. Aaaaah.

Pennie enjoy your trip.
PR what is the master plan re: dd1 and sleep? And what's happening to the incontinent cat?
VQ good job it's sweary Wednesday eh? Cunts.

TheDetective Wed 26-Jun-13 14:34:22

Detectives to do list:

Do fuck all!

Seriously grin.

It's my day off it seems! O did a 3 hour sleep this morning - so did I! Then DP got him up and took him off out. I don't expect to see them again til almost 5! Excellent!

If DP takes him out, I usually do stuff in the house. But not today, oh no! I am having a lazy ass day, and I do not give a shit!

Chasing I'm over the frickin' moon for you! I've been waiting for that day to come for you! Clever O! Keep it up! Do you think it is coincidence that it has finally happened not long after you moved out? I suspect the fact he is in a more chilled out environment has allowed him to relax smile

VQ TC's are cunts. The are part of the government. Who are cunts. Nuff said. Hope you are getting somewhere with them this morning. Are you taking parental leave or going off sick? Personally, I'd go for the latter - you are going through a VERY tough time. I could say more, but won't on a public forum. smile Look after number 1. No other fucker else does.

Wellie That is O's new trick today too! We piled cushions between the two sofas and the side table - to stop him getting to the wires. So he climbed up them, then sat back on his knees looking rather too pleased with himself for his efforts hmm. He just pulled the pillows out. Raaaah!

I have a fireguard issue. The depth of every single fecking one I am looking at is 46cm. Our fireplace is 47.5cm in depth. Fucksaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake!

PR I like lists too. And plans. I hope it goes according to, erm, plan!

GT Yes, think you start brushing straight away. I'm only getting it in once a day at the minute - it all feels a little pointless as he feeds to sleep near enough, so I'm doing it before bed, but then he has a feed. hmm It hasn't been done in the mornings yet, as DP has been doing his morning routine while I've been doing the school run this week. And it takes DP a while to remember things...!!

O slept 9.20-6am last night. The reason for this? MIL! We went to the cinema last night, and I told MIL he wasn't due a sleep til bedtime (which we would be home for) when we dropped him off. She said he just fell asleep hmm in his car seat at 6.45. Slept for an hour, woke up seconds before we got back for him. So as a result he was cranky the rest of the evening, then wouldn't go down til 9.20. And I proved a point to DP. The later O goes to bed, the earlier he gets up. DP did the 6am wake up - and he said, yep, you are right, as he just wouldn't go back to sleep. And had less than 9 hours, which isn't normal for him. I've noticed that - when he's gone to bed after 8.15, he's always up at 6. If he goes earlier - he goes til after 7.

Also found out that he didn't just 'fall asleep'. DS1 said she was rocking him in the car seat.

Siiiiiiiiiiiigh. This is why I don't like leaving him with other people. He might not have a set in stone routine, but one thing is definite - no sleeping after 5pm!!!

ChasingDaisy Wed 26-Jun-13 14:34:28

One good thing about my current situation is that I have a notebook full of lists and a head full of plans grin

TheDetective Wed 26-Jun-13 14:36:41

Chasing that sounds awesome! You sound very happy! He will love the groups! smile

ChasingDaisy Wed 26-Jun-13 14:44:14

Thanks det, he seems to be coming out of his screamy/clingy phase at last and loves smiling at everyone so I think he will really enjoy the groups. Plus, I love libraries so win win. I knew he would get there with sleep in the end, I'm glad he has finally proved me right!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 26-Jun-13 14:45:41

I love the 2 groups I go to, will really miss them. I even welled up today, sad times. I've met a really good friend through the boob group I used to go to, we're going to swap daytime brew for nocturnal wine grin

BigPigLittlePig Wed 26-Jun-13 14:46:20

Chasing you have no idea how much I'm hopinh F follows suit on this one!

TheDetective Wed 26-Jun-13 14:58:04

It will be funny awesome if she does BP grin.

When I go back I'm still doing groups with O, til he doesn't want to any more. I can just drop in and out of them as I like - no need to go every week. I'll still go as long as he enjoys it! It's nice to spend one on one time with him. smile

I've just emailed my manager asking to not work more than 1 saturday out of 4. Let's see how well that goes down. confused

BigPigLittlePig Wed 26-Jun-13 15:14:01

One good thing to come from the CMs today - I said to her that dh has been put back on to shift work, and she won't charge a retaining fee or similar, if on some weeks we take her in a few hours later. Which will be a significant saving financially for us.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 15:37:36

Loving the positivity from chasing smile See how much you've come on in a month?

When I have typed up the master plan I will c&p it here grin

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 15:51:55

No change in water chasing they have both only had evian to drink, even in their bottles. Apart from the pop DD1 had during the holiday, but at that point she was fine.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 15:57:11

That sounds pretentious. Over here everyone uses bottled water for preparing baby bottles and there are only a few suitable brands, including evian, which is my favourite, and not as stupidly expensive over here as over there.

PurplePidjin Wed 26-Jun-13 16:16:38

One pint duly donated. Mum took R for a walk but dropped him back just after i got back and sent dp to rest why the fuck didn't he do that during the hour the house was empty?! so I'm slumped on the sofa with brew being serenaded by DJ Riff Raff on da wheelz ov plastic...

TheDetective Wed 26-Jun-13 16:20:08

I'm bored. shock

It's times like this I get up to mischief grin.

Hope my baby comes back soon!

Still trying to find a fucking fireguard!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 16:21:54

Well done pidj flowers . Giving blood is so important.

GTbaby Wed 26-Jun-13 17:13:06

I have an evening off. Going to cinema with bro and sis to war h new brad Pitt movie, extra pop corn and ice cream pls grin
fH is having lo. My mum did offer, but I know FH will end up in pub if left alone.

Thanks for tooth info det and VQ.
I'll add baby tooth brush to list of things to get on tesco run. Also need one of those plastic bibs that catches food. I'm sick of stained clothes.

TheDetective Wed 26-Jun-13 17:15:23

Someone has shoved a rocket up DP's arse.

Fucking hell. Almost (ALMOST!) feel redundant. And lazy grin.

Brockle Wed 26-Jun-13 18:11:37

I am expressing in a fucking storeroom. at least it has a fucking chair in it. oh and ican't use it at lunch time when I need to because that's when the cleaners use it. fuckers. so I have to wait till 2.30 pm when my breasts are good and sore. there is a meeting room I could use but no that's for proper stuff like conferences. tempted to get my tits out and express in the "breakout" area and see who dares complain. cunts. angry angry angry angry angry angry angry angry so glad its Wednesday. as you are.

horseylady Wed 26-Jun-13 19:03:31

The nursery he's going to is closing. Fuck.

Fog ran off and got taken to rspca.

Thank fuck it's swearing Wednesday!!!

Spent all day sorting out childcare. Or trying tooz

BigPigLittlePig Wed 26-Jun-13 19:04:29

Brockle that sucks. If there are no "proper conferences" going on at lunchtime, why don't you suggest to them that your boobs need a conference with a pump?

Det did you get up to any mischief?!

PR looking forward to this laminated plan very much.

Night 4 of piglet being put in cot awake. Only took 16 minutes tonight. First night was closer to 30 grin.

The rogue cat made its way into our kitchen again tonight, and was discovered midway through nomming dhs last slice of cake grin. DH was not happy. The cat may have encountered some water.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 19:33:50

It's almost at final draft stage. I have been tweaking it after observing DD1 today. It's in French. You'll have to goofle translate ;-)

Passmethecrisps Wed 26-Jun-13 20:40:58

S'up biatches?

Good to see the to do plans today.

Mine went pretty well. No coffee but treated myself to a m&s sushi.

P still whinging but I was much more chilled and just gave her moral support. She did actually manage 3 steps crawling today so we have progress.

Glad the CM visit went fairly well BP. I will be doing that next week and I am veeeeery anxious about it. What did you do with your time?

I had fuck loads to say.

Ah! Good on you for giving blood pp. I got a letter recently saying I couldn't for a year after giving birth. There is a bus comes to our school though so I will get soon enough.

I embraced the mess of baby nomming today. Pics on Facebook. I actually had to excavate her nostrils with a cotton bud.

Day 1 of getting M up earlier and hopefully to bed earlier had gone well. After sleeping 11:30-5am (a lot longer than normal) she then fed and went back down until we had to wake her at 7:20 so I could take DH to work.

Spent the day with my sisters as per usual on a Wednesday, she napped twice!! Took her to pick DH up at 6 and she fell asleep in the car. Got home, woke, fed, straight back to sleep so she's been in bed since 6:30!

She woke 30 mins ago for a feed so we put a night time nappy on and sleeping bag over the vest she's had on all day and she's gone straight back to bed.

So far so good.

Decided we needed to start getting up earlier than 9/10am seeing as we'll be getting up at 5:30/6 when I go back to work.

ValiumQueen Wed 26-Jun-13 21:35:39

Pass I meant to say the other day that you will think back fondly to washing food off the floor when you are clearing up poo :-)

Passmethecrisps Wed 26-Jun-13 21:36:46

Good job fatima

Can babies get territorial over toys yet?

Today p was lying on her tummy on the floor. The pussy came over looking for some attention. In between the two of them was P's favourite toy - a Vtech soft radio "dance baby dance". P stared unflinching at pussy, reached out, grabbed the radio and pulled it away. The whole time she did this was didn't break her stare at pussy!

Passmethecrisps Wed 26-Jun-13 21:38:07

Thank you VQ! grin with an aging pussy I already have my fair share of poo cleaning!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 26-Jun-13 21:42:06

Pass that last sentence sounds so very wrong grin

And on that note, am off to bed. FC a better night than last night. Can't be much more hellish, right?

horseylady Wed 26-Jun-13 21:43:30

Right as my brain is basically mush today from crying and stressing, pros and cons if nursery vs childminder? ATM I'm verging towards childminder as I think he'll go out more and be better in a home environment going to groups etc as I have been. I can't believe this has happened but anyway. At least he's not started yet.

Kyzordz Wed 26-Jun-13 21:53:57

Hellooo all! Writing this then an early night for me, hopefully

Hiya wellieboots good to hear from you smile

Hope you enjoy it in NI pennie smile

I love lists too pr I wrote a massive one today, it feels so good to cross things off! I tend to break my to do list down into tiny bits, so it looks huge but isn't that big and just means I get to cross things off more often and feel like I'm getting somewhere blush

Well done pp smile

Hope you enjoyed your day off det and hope you have a nice evening gt smile

That sounds really unfair brockle sad

pass sounds good! I often find food up e's nose blush. Today has been a pretty good day in weaningdom here too. Am prepared for tomorrow to be doubly rubbish to make up for it! Today he ate at all 3 meals, quite a sizeable amount at lunch even. 100g of purée, and some finger food. That's quite a bit for him. Not sure how much he 'should' be having but he seemed to even quite enjoy the purée he had, it was red pepper, tomato and carrot. Also that last sentence made me spit coffee on the iPad. Don't tell dp :p

That sucks horsey, I hope you find somewhere for him to go, I've no idea which would be better, I think personally I'd like a cm for the reasons you suggested but then I think nursery is pretty good for the social aspect.

E has been good today, bit of a whingebag toward bedtime and I'm not sure why cos he didn't wake up till 6:15 but apparently was so exhausted he had to cry in the bath and fall asleep as soon as his head hit the mattress!

PurplePidjin Wed 26-Jun-13 21:54:01

R napped in the sling for dp at 6 when i left, howled in the bath (too cold, oops!) and has been down since 8:30. Clever daddy! I really should go to bed, between the no sleep last night and the lack of blood today I'm shattered. Am off to a mate tomorrow, hers are big so she like cuddles mwahahahahahaha just need to get vvvdp to running club for 9:15 hmm

TheDetective Wed 26-Jun-13 21:59:39

Horsey was it on a hospital site? Same happened to the one at mine last year. Closed with just days notice.

It's happening more and more. sad

My personal preference is a childminder, or a mix of CM and nursery. Certainly up to 2 anyway. But that's just me. It would obviously depend on the CM too. I go on gut feeling when meeting them. I've not yet been wrong, thank goodness.

For me I like the fact that a CM has a smaller environment than a nursery. I know there are more workers in a nursery and the children have key workers, but I prefer the idea of one person continuously, getting to know them, their family etc. Or at least that is how it was for my previous experiences. I also prefer the idea that the keyworker won't change with a CM unless I chose to. Where as people come and go at nurseries, staff change etc. I want the continuity for O.

I also like the idea of a home from home, less structured environment. I don't want his naps/feeds/nappy changes etc to be done at the same time every day. I'd rather be able to say (dictate?!) that he sleeps and feeds at x time, and nappy changes are done when they need to be, not just to a timed schedule. O doesn't let you know he's got a dirty nappy, and they don't smell. So he needs regular checks rather than changing to schedule. He could of had a poo hiding in there for 3-4 hours.

I'm kinda waffling now. But given my own personal previous experiences, I found a CM worked better for us at a young age.

O will go to nursery when he is older. But I will always have a CM once we need childcare as this is what I will use when he goes to school. I want to build a good relationship with a CM as we will be living here throughout O's childhood, and he will be going to a local school, where we will need a local CM.

It has to work for you and your needs though.

The downside for me with a CM is that you can't just drop them off or pick up when you want. Although if the CM is local enough it isn't too much of an issue. And if you work very set hours it is fine. Me and DP work shifts so it could be a pain in the bum. But I've gone to where the CM is in the past and dropped off/picked up there. Eg at a toddler group, or at the school etc.

YellowWellies Wed 26-Jun-13 22:00:35

Two loads of washing washed and on the line, three loads of dishwashing, mowed the lawn and strimmed the edges, made a slow cooked lamb stew, roasted butternut squash and sweet potatoes, freshly made baby lunch and dinner, baby nails all cut, and oh planted up the entire front garden with over 70 plants - even with my sis and DMIL helping / holding the bear I. AM. FUCKING. SHAGGED. Must havewine wine wine wine wine wine wine wine wine wine wine on nom nom... DH and his Dad went fishing together (their father's day present) and rolled in at 7pm claiming tiredness grin grin grin grin grin I laughed and handed DH the hose to water the new plants in smile

TheDetective Wed 26-Jun-13 22:01:28

Oh and less chance of him getting hold of other kids food and eating things he can't sad

Evilwater Wed 26-Jun-13 22:01:41

Well fuck sticks today,
n was seemed very tired this morning,but apart from that seemed ok. I let slip what was happening with P at the end of baby group sad, and the lady seemed a bit concerned, and said I could talk to her any time. blush
Anyway, went to my mums to try and feed N some sandwiches as its on P no go list. angry He still seemed tired but ok, he even crawled quite a distance. grin I've gone and got baby gates grin.

So the fuck up starts when I get back. angry and sad
Long story short, N had green snot coming out of his nose and P wanted me to phone the drs about it. P has a cold at the mo, so I've not been worried. I refused, so he phoned. He got a emergency appointment, and we were up there in 15 minutes. Dr looks about and N has uslars on the back of his throat. n has antibiotics, and is much brighter.

So I'm never going to hear the end of it.

Passmethecrisps Wed 26-Jun-13 22:07:42

Rubbish rubbish horsey.

Personally, my feelings are that a good childminder and a good nursery will both have their advantages. I felt much more comfortable with nursery because it was like a mini-school. I recognised the posters on the walls, I got what they were trying to achieve. I found childminders much harder to get my head around. P is now signed up (as long as the lady doesn't change her mind!) with a CM because we couldn't get get the places we needed at nursery. Now we have an actual CM I feel better about the way things have gone - more flexibility, a home environment, small numbers of people and so on. It doesn't stop me blubbing whenever I think about it but hay ho.

I am sorry you had to deal with it.

brockle if you could brass neck it I would love it if you sat in the staff room expressing. Pumping passive agressively.
A store room is hardly acceptable really.

Fist bumps kyz! Weaning buds fo Eva! Tomorrow I think p will have toast with peanut butter. Lunch is likely to be an Ella's kitchen thing and maybe some finger type stuff for tea. As p is knew to spoon feeding I thought I would stick to 1 a day. She had bean casserole the other day. I think I will leave that one for a while! We all suffered. Poor p.

horseylady Wed 26-Jun-13 22:07:53

det I'm thinking like you now. I think till 2/3 he'd be better with a suitable cm or nanny. I'm going to look at nurseries anyway. I've put an advert on a website too so might get something back. Yeah it's running at a loss so they won't subsidise it. Why they don't just increase the fees? But anyway. As I said to a couple if folks, I was going to go back tomorrow so good job really I took9 months. And I was wobbling about nursery too.

TheDetective Wed 26-Jun-13 22:08:02

Thank kyz! I did enjoy it, but I am worried. I think someone swapped DP. confused

He literally hasn't stopped til now. He's been on the go all day with O, and doing housework all evening.

In fact every time I go to do something, he's fecking well got there first. He asked me to make O's bottles (he normally does them). The kettle started spouting water from the thing you click at the side to turn it on. Literally, water pouring out from it when you tipped the kettle (we've had it 6 weeks!). So I put a pan of water on to boil. Went in to get said pan of water off boil, to find out not only was it off the boil, but the bottles had been made.

He's finished off the curtain poles, and cleaned up the mess.

He's done 3 lots of washing up.

He went back out to the shop for detergent for the washing machine when we found we had ran out. Then he put O's washing on without me asking again.

And he took the dog for a walk, and picked up DS1 from scouts.

He's hung up wet washing.

He even hoovered the living/dining room at 8.20 this morning.

Oh, and when I came down to iron DS's uniform at 8.20, DS1 was already dressed in the uniform that DP had gone and ironed. That's despite him getting up at 6am, feeding O, then getting back up at 7 when he realised O was just not going to stay in his cot playing any longer.

O was changed, breakfasted, and medicated before 8. And as I say, DP was hoovering when I came downstairs.

Can we have a WTF for DP please?! And he can have a vvvDP today!!!

Passmethecrisps Wed 26-Jun-13 22:13:09

Oh fucksake evil I so feel for you. Honestly i don't know where to start. Right. Poor n is unwell. That is the be all and end all really, isn't it? 9 times out of 10 the green snot would have been his cold. But anyway, you need to be a team! He should be backing you up and vice versa. It's awful that it feels like point scoring.

Passmethecrisps Wed 26-Jun-13 22:15:28

Passes wine to Det! Good job!

Evilwater Wed 26-Jun-13 22:18:28

Sorry I've not caught up,
det great news on your DP
horsey sorry to hear about the childcare troubles. n is in a nursery as I felt he would benefit more there, and he has! I've posted on Fb
big I'm glad F enjoined her time at The CM

To everyone else brew

TheDetective Wed 26-Jun-13 22:20:16

Brockle Do you work for a large company? Can you speak to HR?

"The Workplace Regulations and Approved Code of Practice require employers to provide suitable facilities for pregnant and breastfeeding
mothers to rest.The Health and Safety Executive (HSE)recommends
that it is good practice for employers to provide a private, healthy and safe environment for breastfeeding mothers to express and store
milk. It is not suitable to use toilets for this purpose. You can find out more about this on the HSE website, www.hse.gov.uk/mothers,
or by phoning their helpline."

Evilwater Wed 26-Jun-13 22:23:52

Thanks pass. When were came home he said "I'm glad I've not left you yet, as N would be in hospital all the time". I'm getting at the end of my rope.

Luckily P is off 4x4 over the weekend. So I get the house to my self.

izzybizzybuzzybees Wed 26-Jun-13 22:26:46

J still wide awake after a massive vomiting episode... All over me and the lovely new couch :-(

I am in bed. DH had J. We have the nurse coming tomorrow to help with weaning J. Hoping for a miracle!

vq have noticed no difference in J's sleep since changing diet. He is shit at sleep. Sleeps better in our bed but I do not.

TheDetective Wed 26-Jun-13 22:29:28

Actually. I've just realised - I'm near ovulation time. This means DP knows sex could be on the cards.

Twat, he's sucking up to get a shag!

Cynical, me? Never!

Evil He said that?! What a cunt, fucking hell. shock

Evilwater Wed 26-Jun-13 22:35:47

Night all. Hopefully N will sleep.
det thanks.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 22:41:20

horsey a cm is a good way of avoiding the winter bugs. At nursery he'll pick everything up but will be immunised by the time school comes around.

I don't have the choice. It was either 800€/month nursery for both or 2400€/month childminder. DD1 never got ill with the cm, but as time went on we had a very bad experience so put her in creche. At which point she got ill, a lot, but she was happy in a large group. Depends if you get a good cm.

kirrinIsland Wed 26-Jun-13 22:44:17

Glad the childminder went well bplp

That's shit horsey Lucky you've still got time to sort it out. I sent DD1to nursery at 18 months. She loves it and its been great for her, but if I have buy in childcare for N before she's 18 months I'll probably go for a childminder - more personal and family like.

stunt Hope you got the tidying done and don't stay up too late. Good luck with the viewing

evil Hope N is feeling better soon. Don't feel bad. As pass said, 9 times out of 10 you'd have been right.

Hoping for a better night here tonight. n was great but DD1 has a molar coming through and was up and down all night sad

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 22:50:21

In September ideally LO would go to a cm, but I already sacked the 'best' in the area for being crap. Dd1 will be fine at creche. LO, not so sure, but the places are like gold dust- it is a very good creche. And I figure she can't have a worse winter healthwise than last year...

But French nurseries prepare them for French school. Rigour, routines, discipline. Unthinkable to you guys probably, but essential if they are to go thru the French system as mine will.

It pains me to say it but it is for the best for my two. And I'd rather they be in a group with several minders than on their own with one that, after a few months, I realise I coukdn't trust.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 22:55:55

Ooh. I'm ovulating today. Had a bit of a non protected shag over the weekend. But DH should be clear by now? Almost three months post op? Doingthe test next week....

Moving on.



Writing that down has freaked me out.


YellowWellies Wed 26-Jun-13 22:58:43

PR if there were the equivalent of French crèches here in Scotland I'd send Jonas in a heartbeat. They are amazing. My sister is going to take him two days a week once he's one so I can do some freelance. I'd like him in a nursery setting after three but wish our nurseries were more like the French.

YellowWellies Wed 26-Jun-13 23:00:24

PR shock shock shock shock wink wink wink wink

TheDetective Wed 26-Jun-13 23:03:44

What's the difference YW?!

PR grin

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 23:06:29

No winks please.

It was silly. I can't physically have another baby. Already my ob gyn bolloxed me for getting upduffed with LO.

Was a v good shag though...

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 23:08:00

Difference is just what I said. French creches are excellent if you are ok with structure.

YellowWellies Wed 26-Jun-13 23:21:01

Det French nurseries are staffed by highly trained staff, not minimum wage teens and the role is highly respected. Kids are taught manners and discipline, they're treated with considerable maturity ie how to appreciate different foods (they can have three course meals and a cheese course!!!), how to be a member of society, how to be responsible, all about their culture etc. French crèches are little societies.

It seems sad but from friends who've worked in UK nurseries there is far too little discipline (why do the tough stuff for min wage) and too much synchronised nap time regardless of kids individual schedules / which has a tendency to become time for staff to be on their mobiles sad . We don't respect child care enough in this country or pay staff well enough for it to be done with excellence and diligence as standard - it's too often the profession for those who leave school unqualified to do anything else. That makes no sense as its such an important role. There are some amazing nurseries and CM in the UK but the French system kicks our arses!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 26-Jun-13 23:33:08

What she said.

But if you're into free do what you like stuff, French nurseries don't suit. To work in one you have to pass tough, competitive exams. Maybe overkill, but you have a rcn on site all the time, and a paed pops in every week.

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 00:03:23

Ty! Sounds good to me! Are they more expensive?!

I am really rather disconcerted.

Ok so I just went in to the cupboard where the nappies/wipes are kept downstairs. I knew I used the last of the wipes at dinner. There was a brand new pack in there. DP has stocked it up. And he's stocked the upstairs box with nappies (was also empty).

I just hung up O's washing. He's remembered to use a colour catcher.

I don't know whether to be grin or angry. He clearly does know all the mundane shit wot needs doing. So why's it taken this long for him to do it?!


TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 00:06:42

Oh and the bastarding fucking cunting dog woke my peacefully, not woken up all evening, sleeping baby just as we came upstairs to bed. How?! By wagging her tail furiously on O's door and every hard surface to the left and right of it.


He's asleep now. Thank fuck.

PurplePidjin Thu 27-Jun-13 01:41:13

Brockle i express in the disabled loo at one job, and the storeroom at another. The difference is that I'm there 3 hours a week or less! I would be quoting Discrimination law at them if i were you

StuntNun Thu 27-Jun-13 05:52:30

Detective my fireguard has clips at the side that attach to rings in the wall so it wouldn't need to be exactly the same depth as the fireplace so long as the clips do up. It's one like this.

So no egg since Sunday but a very unsettled day today. I suspect last night's pizza. I gave up on tidying and was going to have an early night but DH phoned so I didn't get to bed until 10.45. J woke at 12 for a feed, DS2 woke me at 2 because DS1's alarm clock was beeping on the hour confused then J woke me again at 4, I managed to settle him by 5 and he woke up again at 5.15. Another sleep-deprived day for me, it seems never ending. My car is getting serviced today do I'll have to spend 4-5 hours hanging around Larne waiting. Then get back home and finish prepping for the viewing. This is going to suck.

Lily311 Thu 27-Jun-13 06:25:38

O slept 12 hours. But only had 10 oz of formula yesterday. Grrr.

Got a package delivered yest by ups and the driver was so handsome. Feeling guilty for noticing it. Went also for a personal trainer session and I'm really not in shape. I really worry about the cost though although much cheaper than in UK. I really hope she will be strict with me and put me on the right track. O was with a babysitter, screaming. Felt awful but I need to get 'me' back and she is with me all the time so it's beneficial for her in the long term.

horsey hope you will find something
lois saw your news on FB, so happy for you.
det hope he got a shag
stunt hugs

We are off to health visitor today, it's compulsory to have a 6 month check up here.

YellowWellies Thu 27-Jun-13 07:02:48

8.15 - 7am. Clever bear!

Det what's he done? wink

Lily don't feel guilty.

sad to Stunt

ChasingDaisy Thu 27-Jun-13 07:09:07

Oh evil I'm sorry but your P sounds horific, what an awful thing to say to you. Do not let him make you feel bad.

So O slept through until 5.30 smile. And has been asleep in my bed ever since smile smile

PetiteRaleuse Thu 27-Jun-13 07:34:10

detective are what more expensive? french nurseries? For me no, they are cheaper than cms but harder to get a place at. I applied for a place for my two last August and only got an answer a couple of weeks ago.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 27-Jun-13 07:37:43

evil your P really is a twat.

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 08:50:11

I mean cheaper than the UK PR. smile FT nursery in my area is around £600 a month.

Lily No shag! I have my reasons. Explained below!! And there is no need to feel guilty for noticing someone is good looking. It's human nature. Would you notice a pretty dress, nice scenery? A good looking woman? Yes! So feel no guilt. smile x

YW That's what I'm wondering! He's not so chirpy this morning grin.

Chasing! Hifuckingfive! 2 nights on the trot. Brilliant!

Strange night for O! After the dog woke him up, he settled quickly. But around 1ish (before I'd managed to fall asleep!) he woke again. DP tried to settle, came back and said to me I don't know what is wrong with him. I said, I know what is wrong! He wanted a feed. 2 of his 4 bottles he only took 4oz yesterday. So he was 4oz down on a usual day. O was fed, and took 4oz, then conked back out!!

Til I heard him gurgling in his cot when my alarm went off at 7.30 grin. He started whinging not long after that though!! So actually, not a bad night, as a decent stretch of sleep happened!

Today I have steroid injections in my fanjo. I'm actually shitting it. I am not looking forward to this.... waaaaaaaah!

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 08:52:09

Fuck. I meant to say thanks Stunt. I'll not order one online, rather get it in a shop, so if there are any problems it will be easier to return!

We need one desperately!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 09:10:07

OOOh det ouch!? Let us know how it goes sure you were going to anyway! Good work to dp though.

Not so good work for evils 'd'p though. Twat. Hope N is doing ok this morning.

Horsey I went with a CM as I thought it would be an easier environment for F to get used to - one main carer, quieter, can stick to her routine. As she gets older, I will put her perhaps 1 or 2 days a week in nursery for the social aspect of it.

Chasing envy is all.

Another night on Fs bedroom floor. She woke at 1 because she'd rolled onto her back. Quickly settled. Woke at 2. That's when I went on the floor instead of in my lovely comfy bed. Settled just before 3. Woke at 4. Awake for 50 minutes, trying desperately to eat my nose/cheeks/hands/duvet. I offered her water - if she could speak she'd have told me to do one, I'm sure. She shouted in a highly pissed off manner before nodding off 10 minutes before I would have fed her...and woke at 7. So 9 hours between feeds shock. Offered her a feed then, and she had a teeny tiny one, which goes to prove either a) she wasn't hungry in the night or b) she's saying a virtual "fuck you and your sleep training"

PetiteRaleuse Thu 27-Jun-13 09:27:25

Sorry detective I misunderstood. Yes, it's cheaper than the uk, as the best are state run. The fee you pay is meanstested. We will pay, full time, about 400-450€ a month per child, as we are over the meanstesting limit with our salaries. Some people, ie on minimum wage will pay a token 50€ or so a month, and then there is any amount in between depending on salary.

A childminder costs 1200€ a monh per child for cross border workers like me, and about half as much for people who work in France. Long and ridiculous reasoning which I cba to explain as it makes me so angry.

Nursery in Lux would be about €1400 per child per month fulltime. It would be less for Lux residents as they would get some state assistance, meanstested like in France. The nurseries there arr also excellent, but private. DD1 went for 7 months after I sacked the CM, but just for 4 mornings a week including lunch. That was €650 a month.

Childcare costs are also tax deductible. It's a good system.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 27-Jun-13 09:29:44

Good luck with the fanjo jabs btw.

<winces in sympathy>

BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 09:34:56

Thankful Thursday, yes?

Thankful for restoration of normal pay as opposed to maternity pay grin

GTbaby Thu 27-Jun-13 09:47:34

Full time nursery near my work is £1200 shock plus food money. shockshockshock

A friend paid £800 for twins 2 days a week. At a different nursery.

Kyzordz Thu 27-Jun-13 10:01:05


Going from where I left off last night...

evil I don't understand your dp when it comes to n sad you must find it so difficult and it's not fair on either of you

pass I had thought of toast and peanut butter too only I do not have any piriton in the house yet so should probably go for avocado. For lunch that is. Breakfast was oat and banana cereal and a bit of soreen. Now he's actually consuming toast etc i need to pay a bit more attention to the salt he has. Tea is pork, potatoes and vegetables. I will mush him a bowl and give chunks for finger foods, ill probably wear most of it but the thought is there!

detective wonder how dp will be today? If my dp was so nice I'd wonder wtf he'd done lol!

I like the sound of French nurseries personally smile

Oh stunt that sounds like a wank night

Woohoo yw a fab sleep!

Thankful Thursday, I'm thankful that e ate his breakfast without moaning about it this morning. I'm less thankful he woke at 5:30 for his dummy but it was for a minute or less and I suspect stupid dp woke him! He went back off till 7:20 anyway so not too bad

Passmethecrisps Thu 27-Jun-13 10:01:33

Morning lad and lasses.

Do you think there will ever be a time when we don't talk about our nights first thing?

I am dead chuffed for you chasing. 2 good nights in a row.

det our cat likes to have a bit of nocturnal blethering where she runs up and down the hall between the two rooms yowling and yowling. As yet, she has not woken P. it can only be a matter of time. Glad your night worked out fine in the end.

There was chat at one of my groups last week about CM vs nursery. Weirdly the mums were all very anti-CM and all had horror stories. I had just signed up ours so I was genuinely there with tears in my eyes. The next week though my CMs best pal is there and it just made me feel so much better.

When P is over 2 I think she will go to nursery. We will wait and see though. DH and I are both in agreement that 4 is awfully young to be starting school so she might be at nursery another year. Who knows though?

At the end of the day we do what we hope is best for our babies and what works for our families.

Hmm. P is smiling and squealing at the crims on crime watch roadshow. Think she needs to hone her intuition. Maybe she has! Maybe they are wrongfully accused? Or maybe has an eye for a bad lad?


Crap weather here. No plans for today. All groups closed for summer. Meh.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 27-Jun-13 10:12:03

DD1 will be starting school next year. She'll be 3 and a half. But it's fun until 6- they don't learn to read and write or do sums til they're 6, by which time they are very much ready for it so they learn quite quickly.

It'll be free though smile

MaMaPo Thu 27-Jun-13 10:38:16

pass, I absolutely cannot imagine not obsessively monitoring/discussing sleep every day. Just to keep consistent, we had a bloody awful night with 4+ wakes an 3 feeds and a very unhappy baby today. With teething, is it usual for the guns to be sore? Whenever I've tried to put bonjela on her top 2 teeth which are getting lumper, she flinches and pulls away crying. Not so for the rest of her gums.

Supposed to be going out for cocktails with other mums tonight. Timing is impeccable - but 9.15pm last night C was inconsolable. Not sure I can go now.

kyz, hello again. Sounds like you are all over this weaning malarkey. I have given up a bit at the moment as she's so cranky but will start again.

Impressed by those of you navigating child care and going back to work. I have no idea what I'm doing. We're moving back to Australia in 3 months and its not possible to put yourself on waiting lists unless you're resident, so... No idea of costs, but I know there are ridiculous waiting lists.

Right - despite sleep deprivation am braving the big wide world today. Will equip self with coffee and pain au chocolat.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 27-Jun-13 10:46:43

Agh. DD1 just took it upon herself to bring me her full potty. Full of weird poo and what seemed like several pints of piss, though I might be exaggerating slightly. Normally she does what she has to do then calls me so that we can dispose of it. Not this morning.

Of course she tripped while she was carrying it. All over my cleaned floors, toys spattered with shit and wee. And then she went and walked in it. Have got most of it up, but the pee has seeped under her toy chest and it is too awkward and heavy for me to lift with my back and ab issues. So I have to wait until this evening. And I am sat here looking at the sodding chest and shuddering.

I am thankful this Thursday that I don't have carpets.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 27-Jun-13 11:24:03

Nursery / CM talk is interesting. DD and DS go to a nursery about a 5 min walk from work. DH's pub is also about 5 mins away. We looked at several nurseries and one CM when it was for DD to join one. The CM we saw really put me off. She told me in no uncertain terms not to send a 5 month old to nursery as I would be "institutionalising" her, and that I "must" use a CM, even if not her. I am sure she meant well, but I like structure, DD will be "institutionalised" when she goes to school eventually, and I favour the reliability of a nursery, and the proximity of our particular nursery to our work. Expensive though, I pay over £800 pcm for 2 kids to go 2 days per week. That includes food, but not nappies.

Passmethecrisps Thu 27-Jun-13 11:24:47

DH is currently unscrewing the seats off our dining chairs so the covers can be washed because the cat did a massive sausage sick all over 1.

I read him your post PR and we both agreed that you win the 'disgusting start to the morning' award

Passmethecrisps Thu 27-Jun-13 11:29:59

madam that would put me off massively as well. I don't want people espousing one way or the other when it comes to my child!

And as far as keeping p from school until 5 - who knows. She might be ready, she might not. She might be a royal pain in the arse at nursery and need the new challenge of school.

If I have learned nothing else by becoming a parent I have learned that what I think now might change in the next 5 minutes. Never mind the next 5 years

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 11:35:50

It's okay. Panic over. He failed at the first hurdle!

I wanted him to get O ready, sort his bag out, pack bottle, food etc and tidy the mess of the morning away. I was getting ready and we needed to be out the house at 11 for my appointment.

I came down at 10.55 to nothing done. angry He had been on his computer.

So yesterday when it wasn't important he managed all that. Today when it is important - for me - he fails miserably.


TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 11:44:01

And now we are stuck in traffic. Perfect.

Should add he has to drive me as I might not be able to drive myself back without sitting on just one arsecheek.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 11:47:17

grin pass at sausage sick. So gross.

Reminds self, must clean cat sick stain from utility room wall from projectile earplug incident

GTbaby Thu 27-Jun-13 12:17:36

thanks For PR

And actually you deserve a bunch too thanks

Passmethecrisps Thu 27-Jun-13 12:51:35

Lying on the floor being clambered over by a growling P. I have spied more cat sick under the sofa.

<reminds self cat is old>

<turns other cheek to cat sick>

Good luck with fanjo injection det. I hate being late - I am here feeling stressed for you.

My doc said he didn't fancy giving me a steroid injection between my boobs - I can't imagine how he would cope if I required one in my fanjo.

ChasingDaisy Thu 27-Jun-13 13:04:59

FFS I have enquired after loads of properties today and they all say they won't accept housing benefit on any of their properties. God knows what I'm going to do.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 13:07:45

Chasing is it worth asking whether they would consider you, if your dad were to act as a guarantor?

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 27-Jun-13 13:08:56

Good luck with fanjo injection det

Yeah pass, it was the must aspect that I didnt like. I was already leaning towards a nursery, but that positively cemented the decision. And I couldnt agree more about changing your mind about stuff. DD was never going to have dummies, and how I judged those who just shoved a dummy in their child's gob. Ha. Ha. Ha.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 13:12:49

Madam can I pick your brains? How much does it cost to get wills written? Roughly. For me and dh (possibly mirror wills if that reduces cost and I can bend him to my way of thinking)

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 27-Jun-13 13:13:56

Chasing was going to say what BP said too, a guarantor could make a world of difference. Also, think about Gumtree, for private adverts, and be open with them and ask them to consider your circumstances. Can the old agents give you a reference about payment of rent on time etc? Can you find a nice new agent and explain the circumstances honestly, and ask them to ask their landlords to consider you notwithstanding their "no HB" stance? Perhaps indicate you intend to make it a longterm home (i.e. guaranteed rent for longer). You might need to ask a whole load of times, but someone may say yes. Also contact each agent in the area and ask them to send you a list of properties available where the landlord does accept tenants in receipt of HB, then you're looking at, and choosing from, properties where this won't be an issue.

ChasingDaisy Thu 27-Jun-13 13:25:34

Yep, I've mentioned a guarantor but it is still a flat no.

ChasingDaisy Thu 27-Jun-13 13:39:16

I've contacted most of the agents in town today and thy have all said that none of their landlords will accept HB. I'm losing heart now because I don't think I can bare to hear another no. I just need a hom for my boy.

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 13:40:21

It's done. Not too bad. Worst bit was the poking and stretching. And the cleaning agent.

Bad news is - looks like after everything the only way to help the external pain is refashi

GTbaby Thu 27-Jun-13 13:41:25

Just looking at my sleeping lo and can't believe how much he has changed and grown.

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 13:44:43

Pissing phone.

Refashioning. Which is what I've said all afuckinglong!!


Got to give this a week or two to see if any difference.

Bottom line haha! is there is still areas of redness, it is still bloody healing and I've had some tissue silver nitrated off (the granuloma).


Got to sit in clinc now for 45 mins in case of any problems.

On a hard chair <hollow laughter>.


BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 13:44:47

Chasing have a look on gumtree and in the local papers. If you can speak to the landlord directly, through private advertising as opposed to an agent, they may be more understanding. I bet the agents just say a flat no without even giving it an ounce of consideration.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 27-Jun-13 13:58:16

BP depends on how complicated it might be - sounds straightforward. As an example, my firm would charge £350 plus VAT for the two wills. I imagine this is a reasonably expensive fee for this sort of thing compared to smaller firms. However, you might want/need to take more specialist advice on the basis you have DSD, it depends what intentions you have/arrangements you need to have there. I can give you names of firms local to you to ring around to ask for costs estimates. I'd be inclined to shop around in case there are wide differences between costs.

M has been asleep for over 2.5 hours shock

It can't be me trying to rejig the routine yet, it's only day 2. Last night she did 6:30-8:30-1:30-5 fed a put back to bed and then up for the day at 7:30. Still 3 wakes up but not bad compared to normal.

Been to a musical activity class this morning so M can familiarise herself with the CM. She enjoyed it, fascinated by everyone smile
Put her in her cot just after 11 and she sat playing. Went back up and she was face down, fast asleep and has been ever since.

Not sure what to do now, waiting for her to wake up so we can have lunch. I was expecting her to wake at half12 grin

I've tidied and hoovered the living, tidied the bedroom, deep cleaned the kitchen, done the kitchen floor, done some washing, frozen some fruit and made some banana muffins. Oh and put some photos in to an album for my mum. Now sat watching the bill and waiting.

Glad the fanny stabbing went ok det

Bastard estate agents chasing I agree with looking for private adverts.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 27-Jun-13 14:29:03

Estate agents are cunts chasing

In France there is a website called particulier a particuler - individual to individual, where people rent direct with no agents. Is there an equivalent in the UK?

StuntNun Thu 27-Jun-13 14:41:26

BigPig we got mirror wills done last November for £135 under the Will Aid scheme.

Well I had a lovely morning in Larne apart from that it was pissing down but hey ho. I wandered down the high street, had a coffee, went in a few shops, fed J in the railway station waiting room because it was out of the rain shock had a humongous salad in Subway where James was on his best behaviour, did a bit more shopping then hiked three miles uphill back to the garage to collect my car. So I've more than done my exercise for the day and the car's all ready for our big drive across Scotland next month.

We've had good and bad experiences of nurseries and childminders, I think you have to judge each on it's own merits, you can't say one is better than the other. There are advantages, e.g. nursery is good for social skills, you don't have your child in a car several times a day for school runs, you don't have to worry about sick days or cm holidays. CM provide a family environment and can be a home away from home.

Lily311 Thu 27-Jun-13 15:07:22

bigpig I used the lady who advertises on mumsnet. It was £140 for mirror wills.

chasing I worked with agents, it's automatic they say no HB. Try gum tree, Facebook, local newsagents, local Internet forums. Explain, explain, explain, offer to put down higher deposit if you can afford.

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 16:15:42

Chasing local newspapers can be good for this kind of thing. Also, driving around areas where you want to live, and look for private let boards - I often see ones who are not through an agent.

I know it is harder when recieving HB. But there will be places out there. Promise smile

Glad you had a nice morning after all Stunt. I didn't know Subway did salads. I'll check that out as DS loves it, and I can't go in unless I can get something myself grin.

I am enjoying O crawling. He's much happier for it. Yes he's getting in to trouble more, but he's happy as larry at the other end of the room right now with a mountain of toys he is crawling his way through!

Once we figure out how to Oscar proof the room, it'll be fine? Right?! RIGHT?!

Caught him picking frigging wallpaper off eariler... there is a tiny piece that is coming away from the wall on the dining room chimney breast. Of course O found it. Of course he had to pull at it. It was a tiny piece. It is now bigger. Fuck! Am going to have to find some glue to stick it back down! I did want the LR decorating in the next year. Think I'll scrap that idea for the forseeable!

Oh I can see O crawling back towards me... he's under the dining room table! The dog is wearing a permanent fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck expression. grin

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 16:17:23

Oh and while I was typing the above, DP came out with the polish and cloth and has polished the living room. He's now got the hoover.

Shame about the fuck up this morning grin.

Still, I made it just in time!

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 16:19:07

Oooops, sorry for the plethora of posts!

Forgot to add, O was walking on his knees this morning, pushing along an activity cube. shock


ChasingDaisy Thu 27-Jun-13 16:40:54

Thanks, have tried gumtree, local paper due to arrive today.

My mum has a house (paid for by my dad when they divorced) sitting practically empty as she is always at her boyfriend's house. Mum, do you think I could stay in the house for a while whilst I get something more permanent sorted? No. Mum, me and O are facing being homeless, is there anything you can do to help? No. I hope that when O ever needs my help I will do anything in my power to help him.

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 16:42:31

Right, okay, it seems walking on his knees is todays new trick hmm. As is pulling himself up on the sofa and falling over whacking his head duuuuh.

Bloody bollocks!

Oh and every day he is getting more and more hair. And it's red! I think his eyelashes are turning a reddish colour too? Also, the back of his hair seems to be going curly!

ChasingDaisy Thu 27-Jun-13 16:42:47

I am envious but at the same time relieved, when I read about your O crawling det grin I have a very frustrated non crawler here!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 27-Jun-13 16:53:26

Sorry your mum is not helping you chasing

I can't imagine how hurtful that must be.

Where's vq today? Are the children any better?

ChasingDaisy Thu 27-Jun-13 17:03:30

It's ok PR, I expected that response from her. Not feeling particularly loved right now though (in RL not on here smile ). Actually feeling pretty low sad

YellowWellies Thu 27-Jun-13 17:24:20

Det we have a little boy who looks like he too might be one of 'the privileged few'. Definite gingery Viking curls going on. DSIL's wee boy had ringlets - I think hope J might get them - he has a curly 'fro especially when it's wet.

Passmethecrisps Thu 27-Jun-13 19:46:07

P's eyebrows have a hint f the ginge about them. My sister is a red head and curly.

Lily311 Thu 27-Jun-13 19:46:29

I want(ed) O to be ginger. I luff ginger kids. She had little chance as no one in either side is ginger. I saw the cutest 3 year old yesterday, bright, long, curly ginger hair-I wanted to take her home she was so lovely.

She had 16oz of formula today, better than yesterday but still not enough. I took her to health visitor and she is 71cm and 18lb 12oz at 7 months and 1 week. She is on 91st for both height and weight.

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 19:53:16

Quiet here today sad

I'm feeling pissed off. Bad week this week! Everything is going wrong.

But on the good side, which I shall dwell on more (!) I've just shaved another 2lb off this week. I've done what I set out to - without realising it. I wanted to lose the weight I'd put on in 9 weeks with in the same time frame or less.

I thought I had 1st 10 to lose. I converted the weights in an online calculator from kg. Turns out I did not! I had 1st 5.5 (10kg) to lose. I've done it!!!!! I'm back to my 'regular' weight. So, whatever I lose from here on in, is extra fat! YIPPEEEEE!!!

But duuuuh for the crappy weight conversion!

Donnadoon Thu 27-Jun-13 19:57:20

<boast> My dd is ginger grin

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 19:58:48

I'm impatient to know how his hair is gonna turn out! As DS1 has my hair - as you've seen on FB! I want O to have it, but then I don't. Because me and DS1 have to wash our hair pretty much every day.

And it is a pain in the frickin' ass. Mind you, so does DP. So, whatever happens, he's gonna be an every day washer. Feck!

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 20:06:35

Both me and DP were born with white blonde hair. DP's is now light brown when I've not dyed it for him... I'm not selling him here am I?! Dyed hair, straighteners grin and mine is a mix of dark blonde and gold blonde. Well, it's a mix of several blondes at the minute, as I haven't dyed it for 11 months. My roots are 6 inches haha! But it is naturally blonde, and the pic of me at 16 is totally my natural colour. But after DS1 it darkened, so a few years ago I had it dyed. I dye it every 5-6 months usually and just ask for the colour that you see in that pic. It never quite turns out that way hmm. But I was a golden blonde, and that is what I would like it to be when I leave the feckin' hairdressers. The colour that grows through is more a dark blonde!

DS1 had my blonde hair, but has gone darker blonde much earlier than I did - he was 6 when his darkened after my mum, in her fucking wisdom let someone at the school cut it, and it looked like Johnny Depp in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I was devastated! Took him to the hairdresser the next morning, and it had to be all cut short. After that it was dark blonde. Recently it has lightened a little, but it is still a darker blonde.

He was born with the same hair as O's, strawberry blonde, brown in places. Depended on the light that hit it! By about 9 months it was totally blonde though. I knew he was going to be blonde.

O - I don't know. It has blonde under the new red that has sprouted! So who knows! He has a bit less hair than DS1 did at the same age.

There is red in the family though on my Dads side.

Time will tell eh?!

ChasingDaisy Thu 27-Jun-13 20:06:36

O has inherited his dad's here, nice and thick but it is going to be a nightmare to manage as it grows!

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 20:07:21

Fucking hell, that is a lot of wittering about hair. blush

<Lurks off>

Passmethecrisps Thu 27-Jun-13 20:17:23

P has fuzz rather than hair. Very small amounts of fuzz. Sister is ginger, I am mouse, brother is blonde, both parents are mouse. DH is dark mouse, his mum is dark brown and dad was ginger I think. His hair is now white. And sparse.

Good job on the weight loss det. I didn't realise you could shave weight off. Must try that. Mind you, with the amount p excess body hair I now have thanks to birthing the whinging one I think I probably could shave off about 2Ib

Speaking of the whinging one I need your thoughts, ladies. P has been a full on bag of whinge for days now. It never stops. Nothing seems to pacify her. I realised today that it is like she is permenantly massively overtired. Now she is sleeping fine at night but her day naps have been tough. She fights going down (after a week of lovely peaceful settles), screaming blue murder and always wakes crying. She looks exhausted but I can't make her settle again. For the last week or so she has been scratching and tugging t her ears. Today I noticed that she is covered with a raised red rash. She has no temperature and is eating reasonably well.


BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 20:18:40

<sniggers> det I thought that too as I lost count of the number of times you said the word "blonde" grin

Bedtime was a fucking nightmare tonight. Initially, all was good. Asleep in 14 minutes. Then dh and dsd had a play fight angry so she was awake again. No worries, easily settled. Until the fucking doorbell rang. Some twunty cold caller. I said "I'm busy, getting a baby to bed" and instead of nobbing off, he said something about Wimbledon, which he will in large have addressed to my retreating ass and the front door. Anyhoo. It took just under an hour all in, and the poor baba was hysterical with tiredness.

Chasing sorry you're feeling unloved sad, really hope the house situation can be resolved pronto, it will be lovely to sort out a home for you and O.

Madam and stunt - thankyou. Stunt Will aid sounds fab, but apparently only runs in November. Am feeling the need to sort it before then. Lily I saw that lady, and she's currently charging £140 for mirror wills, which is why I wanted to check out what the going rate was. Life insurance bloke is phoning tomorrow too. I am terrified of popping my clogs or similar, and F being a destitute orphan. Or of dhs ex nabbing all my assets.

Passmethecrisps Thu 27-Jun-13 20:18:45

Oh. Right. Just checked. FIL had "auburn flecks in his beard" as does DH whose beard is not '-auburn flecked' but full on ginger

BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 20:20:36

Pass sounds like F. Sounds like teeth. If it is any consolation, she has calmed slightly in the past day. More of a constant "nyeh nyeh naaaa" than full on whinge.

Donnadoon Thu 27-Jun-13 20:23:58

I would say defo teeth passgrin They really don't know what to do with themselves, lots of cuddles and let her bite anything she can

ValiumQueen Thu 27-Jun-13 20:24:00

I am here, thank you for missing me PR smile

DS is much better but still having bouts of reflux after any solids, except Soreen banana it seems hmm He went quite batty over that, but would not sook it, he had to have it cut into tiny pea sized pieces. He ate a whole slice though grin he had a very sore tummy after his tea of squash, pea, sweet potato and parsnip, despite eating about 2 cubes worth.

DD2 is quite a bit better. Not sure if I said on here yesterday, but she put a tictac type sweet up her nose yesterday. Thankfully her fever and snot caused a melting of said sweet. Guess what she does today? Yes, she finds one that had evaded my strip search, and placed it up the other fucking nostril. It slid out as before, and was eaten again.

It is my 8th wedding anniversary. I have a card and flowers. And a chest infection I think.

Dr appt tomorrow anyway for me and J.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 20:25:18

VQ could it be that the snot-sweet was in fact an anniversary gift?!

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 20:31:18

Happy anniversary KingandQueenofValium grin

blush BP grin

Okay, so does anyone know if Mango is a reflux trigger? O vomits each time he has had it, when he only really possets small amounts of milk at some feeds these days.

Pass Another one nodding at it and thinking teeth. About a week before O got a two teeth through. Calpol and Ibuprofen together helped best, as well as letting him grump to his hearts content and coping with the headache.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 20:39:37

Can't decide which room to sleep in. Do I,

a) go to bed in the marital bed, fully expecting to be in Fs room before dh even comes to bed
b) sleep in Fs room from the go, likely triggering a night of unbroken sleep I bloody wish
c) sleep in the shed and let someone else do the sleep training?

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 20:40:38

C. And take the bed with you grin.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 27-Jun-13 20:40:52

BP same issue here. Don't have mirror wills for that precise reason. If you want, I can PM you with details of what we have in place for ideas to discuss with DH and will writer?

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 27-Jun-13 20:42:25

(D) check into hotel grin

Passmethecrisps Thu 27-Jun-13 20:45:59

Happy anniversary VQ!

Thanks for your thoughts ladies. That has made me feel better. What about the rash? It is literally all over her body. It looks like the one on her chest which the doc referred to as eczema one week then a viral rash the next. Some of the spots have a white dot and some of them don't. There is no doubt that she has had less moisturising than normal - she has been so upset by bathtime that what is usually a full body massage has been a quick once over.

ChasingDaisy Thu 27-Jun-13 20:48:14

Detective interesting about mango. My old next door neighbour's 9 month old isn't a big vommer but I have seen him be sick twice - both after mango. My O is also rarely sick and the only vom we have had recently looked and smelt like mango...

BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 20:50:30

Madam yes please, otherwise I will bore the pants off everyone on this fred grin

Loving option D.

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 20:56:27

Googled the mango - yes it is.

Bugger! <Throws out 4 mangos>

And the riper it is, the more acidic. The mango he has had (3 times) was very very ripe. I got it in the reduced section, and then kept it for 2 days before pureeing!

Kyzordz Thu 27-Jun-13 21:02:15

Evening smile

pass I can't imagine us not all talking about sleep every morning, it seems tradition now. I can only hope we all say 12 hours or so each and every night! Sounds like teeth to me, my DN was similar cutting hers, e has been a bit whiny two evenings in a row now but I don't think it's teeth, just that he's a misery!

I'm not mamapo I'm sure everyone else will tell you I've been a wobbly mess with weaning, it's me that has been the problem. Eric is doing fine, even on the days or meals he point blank refuses to open his mouth, he's still fine. Have to keep telling myself he knows what he's doing smile

pr what a lovely start you had this morning!

You mean there's a choice about when they go to school? I didn't realise :/

Glad fanjo thing wasn't so bad det hope it helps smile o sounds hilarious btw, I know I've said it before but I hope to meet him and you one day! Congrats on the weight loss too

What a lovely long sleep m had fatima!!

Glad you had a nice morning stunt smile

Hair talk! I love ginger smile e isn't likely to be ginger, he looks light brown ATM. Elyza is still ginger, but my other sister was ginger and it was platinum blonde by the time she got to two, so no idea if Ely will keep her colour or not!

Glad o drank a bit more today lily sounds like she is growing well despite less than recommended amount if formula. Can you supplement with vits if she continues to drink less than she needs to?

What a pita of a bed time bplp glad she's asleep now though, I'd go with c and take the bed like detective says

Hey vq smile poor j, bless him, sounds like he did very well with the soreen smile sorry but the bit about dd2 made me laugh! Glad said sweets were not lodged up nostrils!! Happy anniversary! Look after yourself, I wish you weren't all ill, it isn't fair sad

Did not know that about the mango. Last thing e vommed was mango but then he gagged on it and I haven't been brave enough to give it again since because I'm rubbish

PetiteRaleuse Thu 27-Jun-13 21:06:33

Happy anniversary vq and vk

Night all.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 27-Jun-13 21:07:48

kyz you're not rubbish

<slaps with fish>

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 27-Jun-13 21:09:55

BP will do tomorrow.

Happy anniversary Vq and VK

So I got home at 5pm after v busy day at work. Ate supper with DC, bathed, milk, stories, cuddles, downstairs. Washed and sterilised bottles, put wash on, tidied up plates etc. Packed nursery bags, sorted DC's clothes for tomorrow morning. Folded and put away pile of clothes. Unloaded dishwasher, used leftovers to make mini meals for DS, tidied freezer, purged fridge of out of date stuff, decided blueberries were ok-ish, made blueberry muffins, made some apple and raspberry chunky purée (oxymoron?), emptied bins, tidied lounge, did mountain of washing up.

I just got a text from DH asking if I was enjoying having an evening to myself. I have no words.

Just come upstairs, intending to read and then to sleep. I predict one of the DC will wake just as I get comfy.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 27-Jun-13 21:11:53

kyz do you need the quiche fish? grin

Kyzordz Thu 27-Jun-13 21:17:50

Gosh madame you've been really busy then!!! grin hope the dc's don't wake and disturb you! I meant rubbish because I daren't give mango again blush I might get brave at some point but my brave today was a strip of pork and boiled potatoes cut into wedge type shapes. Maybe mango should be on my to do list for foods wot are scary yes I have a list of scary foods

I do think a quiche fish slap will keep me on track though, thanks!!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 27-Jun-13 21:49:59

<dons PJs and thermals>

<checks ear defenders are in top working order>

<trundles off to the shed>

Only joking.

FC for a better night. My brain cell is turning to cotton wool with these dodgy nights. 4 sleeps til I'm back at work confused

ValiumQueen Thu 27-Jun-13 21:50:49

I was just glad it was her nose not Js. At least DD1 has not swallowed any more teeth today. DH told her she had to dig it out of her poo in order to get the money from the tooth fairy. I said a note would suffice.

Considering the price of childcare I cannot understand how anybody would want to defer school entrance.

Pass could you put a pic of the rash up on FB when you get a chance? The white dot is the bit that makes me think it is a bit more than a viral rash. Hope the teeth come through soon.

Thank you for your kind messages smile

StuntNun Thu 27-Jun-13 21:54:34

J won't sleep, he's just crying and crying. I left him to it for ten minutes but it just for louder and more desperate. DS1 has been disowned, he's been a complete nightmare this week. He's 10 going on 3. J picked up one of his teddies and DS1 was screaming 'give it back give it back' like a toddler, he had a full on temper tantrum yesterday after something went wrong in one of his games, he has soaked DS2's bed twice this week after bedtime, I've been trying to get him to practice for his trumpet exam on Saturday and it's like pulling teeth - he's constantly trying to get out of it. And DH wants me to take him karting tomorrow at a cost of £50? Fuck that, I'd rather spend the £50 getting 'I am a dick' tattooed on his forehead.

ValiumQueen Thu 27-Jun-13 22:04:28

Oh stunt that sounds rotten (((((hug))))) I vote take him to MacDonalds and spend the rest on new shoes x as for J have you given him calpol? May be worth a try?

StuntNun Thu 27-Jun-13 22:21:55

Calpol'd and asleep within 15 minutes thanks VQ. Have unloaded and unpacked the shopping, put dishwasher on, washed up, let dog out and am now running a bath. Phew. Just got to organise the Tesco delivery for tomorrow and I can go to bed.

Kyzordz Thu 27-Jun-13 22:23:05

stunt that sounds really tough, big hugs. I can understand why you don't want to take ds1 karting after his behaviour, is karting a treat for after his exam?

Was also going to suggest calpol for j if you've not tried it already. Hope you get some sleep sad

Kyzordz Thu 27-Jun-13 22:23:38

Cross posted, glad he's asleep now stunt smile

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 22:50:54

The bedding is washed, ironed, and back on the bed. And there is a fragrant candle lit.

He must have done something reeeeeeeally bad for this level to have been reached.

Even caught him polishing food splash marks off the vase on the dining room table earlier. hmm

This is a man who hasn't seen dirt for 3.5 years.

Should I be concerned?!

Night all! Babies - SLEEP! Mummies - SLEEP! Daddies - we don't fucking care as long as you don't snore or steal the duvet. Sorry Luis grin

LuisGarcia Thu 27-Jun-13 22:51:59

s'areet, I understand

TheDetective Thu 27-Jun-13 22:53:02

Fast work dude!

ValiumQueen Thu 27-Jun-13 22:57:50

Good news Stunt. I have never had to use the calpol card with the girls as I could settle them without, unless they had a fever obviously. But boy is a different story. I guess he experiences pain differently (littleman-flu).

Detective I think I would be worried a leetle bit too, but I think he just wants a good old shagging.

Bryzoan Thu 27-Jun-13 22:59:55

<wonders if luis would be offended at being called an honorary mummy in these circumstances>

So much has happened since 'the night of the willy wearer'!

LuisGarcia Thu 27-Jun-13 23:02:04

I would consider it a compliment, and I apologise for being so prickly that night

PurplePidjin Thu 27-Jun-13 23:19:52

<hugs> all round as I've completely forgotten what i just read blush

Last night's complete shitter has produced walking while holding hands (3 steps), pulling up on the sofa and attempts at a pincer grip (naan bread that went with curry this evening) shock i fucked off to see a mate today (with R) and she's offered to come over on Monday and take him for a few hours so i can sleep shock she has 5 of her own, all in double figures, plus used to be a nanny so i might actually trust her to deal with a grotbag instead of assuming she'll bring him back as soon as he whimpers grin

Fx for sleepy dust tonight, where did that plane get to?

ValiumQueen Thu 27-Jun-13 23:36:08

Oh yes. The night of the willie wearer shock we sure have come a long way Luis grin

StuntNun Thu 27-Jun-13 23:43:11

J's dream feed got pushed back to 11:30 by dint of him not going to sleep until after 9. Please hurry up J so I can sleep. DH is back tomorrow. I can see his future and it involves taking all the children out somewhere at the weekend so I can catch up on some kip.

PurplePidjin Fri 28-Jun-13 02:53:39

R just slept 4 hours. Hurrah!

ValiumQueen Fri 28-Jun-13 04:42:51

Yay PP! Woop woop! Hope you get another good block too x

J has been asleep since 10. DD2 has been up every 90 minutes. I am wiped out hmm

Lily311 Fri 28-Jun-13 04:55:51

Wakings every hour. She slept 12 hours the past few days ffs. It's going to be a long day.

YellowWellies Fri 28-Jun-13 08:34:10

Jonas slept through again. He's not done it two nights in a row since those halcyon pre 4 month sleep regression days. 8.15 til 7.30 shock. He's been doing it once or at very most twice a week since the 6 month regression ended but back to back is unprecedented. Maybe he's finally getting enough solids into him? My boobs were like lumps of stone this morning....

<ducks and runs>

PurplePidjin Fri 28-Jun-13 08:43:17

He did 10:45-2:45 then 3-6 <phew>

<<<hug>>> VQ, fx it's over soon brew

PetiteRaleuse Fri 28-Jun-13 08:44:35

Wrote a long post this morning and lost it as the sodding site went down.


Good night here.

I remmber the willie wearer night grin

TheDetective Fri 28-Jun-13 08:50:24

Not too shabby here either! 7.30-5.55 then he self settled so no one had to get out of bed grin (I'm not counting it as a wake up if he self settles!!) next thing I heard from him was 6.45 but he played til 7.15 when he started crying.

Good stuff smile I was asleep before 11. So I've had solid, unbroken sleep! Fuck yes!!

Passmethecrisps Fri 28-Jun-13 09:22:15

Good morning peeples.

stunt and lilly those nights sound terrible. And VQ! It must be hard being tag teamed all night. And not in a fun way BTW!

Hooray for sleep throughs and long stretches YW, *det and PP.

I might call the docs today VQ and just chat to him about the rash. If it is viral there will be nothing he can do anyway. I always feel I am overreacting and being a neurotic PFB. P seems much the same this morning. Fine initially then fairly quickly gets into the grumps.

We have the very last baby sensory this morning then we are off to my work to say Cheerio to one of my bezzy pals who has only gone and got himself a job elsewhere. I haven't mentioned it on here as there are ins and outs but I am completely gutted. Everything will be different and not in a good way. I didn't want any big work changes in the next year or so but this may take that choice out f my hands.


Anyway. I have a lovely new frock on which makes the most of my new 'made a baby' figure. It is sort of 50s stylee. I figure that if I don't magically get thinner then I will wear different clothes.

TheDetective Fri 28-Jun-13 09:31:07

50's style dresses are perfect for the mummy figure grin. I wear them a lot. Whatever size I am!

Where is chasing this morning? Still asleep I'm hoping?!

I feel like I've been doing hundreds of sit ups in my sleep. The muscles on either side of my stomach flab are killing. confused

O's in a shitter of a mood today. I'm debating calpol. No debating - DP has gone to get it ha!

He just isn't a happy boy. High pitched shrieks r us today.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 28-Jun-13 09:32:47

Morning all. Nice work sleeping babies!

Willie wearer - made me chortle as much the 2nd time round as it did the 1st.

I went with option A last night, it morphed into part of option B (the bit where I sleep on the floor) BUT she only woke briefly and settled straight away in bed with me until 6.15. So a vast improvement within the magic 3 nights. Now to get her to do that in her cot. Without me in the room.

Stunt I really hope you have a better day today. I would also be sticking two fingers up to karting. Nightmare.

Pidj how lovely of your friend. I bet you'll feel much happier knowing someone with oodles of experience is looking after ds, and hopefully she's equipped to deal with meltdowns!

Pass do we get to see a pic of this luvverly dress?

TheDetective Fri 28-Jun-13 12:13:01

<hello... hello... hello... Is anybody out there?!>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 28-Jun-13 12:21:45

Everyone is on Facebook.

I have to go on there too. Nothing on the scale of everyone else's problems but a difficult situation.

Donnadoon Fri 28-Jun-13 12:47:38

im here grin

TheDetective Fri 28-Jun-13 13:03:05

I'm getting really worried about DPs personality transplant!

He's been out this morning and done the food shopping. He's been back 20 minutes and has so far, picked up after ME (!!!) there's a turn up for the books! I put my plate down after eating and he was over picking it up and putting it in the kitchen straight away. He then got the Hoover out. Now he's folding the dry washing and hanging up the wet.

I might offer him on loan ha!

I feel so fucking lazy at the minute!!!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 28-Jun-13 13:10:23

Turns out those pelican bibs, the ones with the bit to catch food in, are a proper little treasure trove to inquisitive baby hands. Smushed up banana? Check. Rice cake? Check. Toast crumbs? Yes please. Delightful hmm

Donnadoon Fri 28-Jun-13 13:41:14

<narrows eyes> Det he is up to or after something...failing that all your training has paid off grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 28-Jun-13 14:11:12

Or maybe he just realises that it was time to strap on a pair and man up, as he is lucky to have such a fab partner and child.

TheDetective Fri 28-Jun-13 14:30:06

I like that idea PR!

He can't be after a shag, as he knows stabbed fanjo is not to be shagged! So, I have no idea!

Oscar pressed the destruct button this afternoon.

So far he's escaped out the living room, and I followed him as he made it to the stairs, he eyed up the stairs, pulling up to his knees on the bottom step.

He got to the fireplace and pulled some of the stones off, which sent the whole thing crashing down.

BRB he's escaped... he was on his way to the kitchen. Me and DP stood in the doorway behind him, and I said to DP, what have we created?! ARGHHHH! One thing, we'll never be bored, eh?!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 28-Jun-13 14:30:08

I'm soooooo angry about the thing I mentioned on facebook. It's just pure spite. I really really hate it when I have to deal with proper cunts like that. It's just so boring.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 28-Jun-13 14:31:52

I'm dreading letting LO loose outside her walker or her babycage. I find it hard enough to keep an eye on DD1. My excuse for now is that the floor is too slippery, but DD1 learned to crawl on a tiled floor, no reason LO shouldn't.

TheDetective Fri 28-Jun-13 14:38:32

ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FFS. He just climbed up the side table, and reached the bowl of potpourri. It isn't even in his reach for crying out loud.

How on earth am I going to babyproof this house? I can babyproof. But that won't be Oscar proof hmm.

ChasingDaisy Fri 28-Jun-13 15:13:12

Afternoon all!

Det I am mightily impressed by your O's destruction skillz. And simultaneously glad that mine isn't a mover yet. He is a proper character.

O slept 7-11 and then slept through last night smile The two nights of him sleeping solidly through coincided with him having bread with his dinner, so carbs might be the key.

Had a nice day with a friend and her 17mth old today. O adores her - he is such a flirt! A real ladies man.

XP has O all day tomorrow <wibble>

ValiumQueen Fri 28-Jun-13 16:54:31

Chasing try to use the time to do something for yourself if funds will allow. Something nice, even if it is just a long bath, sleep, or window shopping.

There is a lot of shit happening for our quichesters at the moment.

((((((((((((((((((((Group hug))))))))))))))))))))

GTbaby Fri 28-Jun-13 19:11:07

Omg. 5mins to catch up on ohhh about 22hours of posting. Unheard of!

So many shit times going on. Shall I add to it haha my PIL are back tomorrow and will be here for 6weeks hmm OKOK no where near a real problem, but maybe I can provide us all with some light hearted WTF moments for a while.

Have spent all day cleaning in readiness for their arrival. Exhausted.com.

Det I'm a bit jealous of Os antics. Can't wait for LO to be getting into mischief.

Lmao. Lo is doing a lil dance. In what I can only describe as Stevey wonder side to side head shake.

Now just got to wait for FH to come back from tesco with a monster shop. Unpack shopping then he can help me bath lo. And finally I can shower.

I was super proud of my shopping list writing skills today. All items written in groups based on location in supermarket. Lol.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 28-Jun-13 19:51:51

Hmmm tumbleweed aplenty on here tonight!

Had a lovely last-day-of-maternity-leave day with F sad. She was full of giggles and cuddles and general scumptiousness. I am going to miss her beyond words next week.

GT am looking forward to some words of wisdom from MIL!

Chasing envy

Det good luck. That is all. Oh, and have you got to the bottom of why dp is being so bloomin' nice yet?! Surely he must have a guilty conscience? No man is that helpful for that long except luis.

LuisGarcia Fri 28-Jun-13 19:55:13

How unfair is this? J has a cold.... and has lost his voice

ChasingDaisy Fri 28-Jun-13 20:01:01

<bundles into group hug>

<thanks lucky stars for quiche>

<curses car driver who just beeped horn outside Oscar's bedroom window>

Thanks VQ I am off to Ikea tomorrow - should keep me busy.

sad pig. I will miss you on here x

I have a couple of weaning questions:

1. Are you all still offering cooled, boiled water or is tap water ok? Is filtered water better than tap?

2. O seems to be coping well with bread now so want to try him on pasta. I have some spiral-y shaped stuff - how is best to offer it to him? Needs to be BLW stylee for this independent chappy.

I have just emailed about a gazillion estate agents/landlords, explaining my situation - only on benefits due to unfortunate circumstances, have rented privately for ages, good credit history, willing guarantor, cash deposit blah blah blah. Now to hope that somebody takes pity on me otherwise I will have to break out the big guns, DV, small baby etc and hope somebody has a heart

ChasingDaisy Fri 28-Jun-13 20:01:33

Oh Luis that is just cruel sad

PurplePidjin Fri 28-Jun-13 20:02:46

I'm lurking. I have nothing useful to say.

Oh yes i do...

Murray and Robson both through grin

Passmethecrisps Fri 28-Jun-13 20:09:59

luis that is the most unfair of unfair things I have ever heard in my life! Poor wee soul.

Well, p enjoyed her trip to school today. Being greeted by 150 teachers all at once didn't phase her. It was lovely to see everyone and being there gave me a really warm feeling. It made me feel like I was ready to go back.

I then took p to see the doc. Her rash looked utterly horrific by then. It is a combination of a viral rash and exzema caused by being too hot and having the virus! I have been overdressing her I think. Time to ditch the vests.

Anyway, she was is much better fettle today. No idea if the virus was causing her mumpiness or crawling or teeth but <touches wood> she seemed much happier. Oh, and I upped her meds a touch again this morning so it could have been that as well. She is now able to quite happily crawl a few steps and combines that with dragging herself along when she gets tired. Her favourite thing is still roll-roll-sit-roll-roll-sit.

DH is working until the early hours tonight. I was looking forward to having the telly to myself but there is naff all on.

Oh! I had a wee question. P is now happily nomming most things off a spoon. For her tea tonight she had one cube each of: chicken, chicken juice, sweetcorn and roasted butternut squash. How does that sound for quantity?

Passmethecrisps Fri 28-Jun-13 20:11:59

chasing I just popped a couple of bits of cooked pasta onto P's tray. She nibbled on a piece of it.

And I offer tap water now.

Yep BP. The thread will be a quieter place with you at work. Pesky sick people

Passmethecrisps Fri 28-Jun-13 20:13:07

Oh and chasing have you asked the council if they have a list of landlords who accept HB?

Evilwater Fri 28-Jun-13 20:19:58

Hello all, sorry I've not kept up, or posted. Lets just say things with P have gotten worse.

On the other hand, N is crawling like a trouper, and trying to pull him self up on everything!!!! Eeekkk. I've installed one gate at the kitchen as he loves the washing machine.

Off to read the thread.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 28-Jun-13 20:41:17

Chasing the only tiny ishoo F had with the spiral shaped pasta, is that it disintegrates very easily into multiple skinny spiral shapes. I think penne is probably a good shape. She lurved it, so O should be fine.

Luis sad

daisychain76 Fri 28-Jun-13 20:41:53

Hi all, just back from a week in Spain. Hats off to anyone who manages a long haul flight with a LO. Our return flight was nearly 3 hours and what with the “happy screaming“, the “throw my toys for strange man (who put on headphones 5 mins in) to collect for me“ and the “feed for 30 seconds, gaze round for a minute, then cry cos mummy‘s trying to put her boob away“ games, it wad long enough!

In no particular order pennie well done on the job, evil sorry to hear things are worsr, Gt might having Pils around get dh to cut down drinking? Big hope work is ok. l always found l didn‘t miss dcs too much if l was busy. It was just at lunchtimes and quiet times l got a bit sad. l‘m sure in your line of work you are kept busy anyway.

Oh and chasing (l think) l started using tap water from 6 months. Pasta wise l find spaghetti great as H grabs big clumps and stuffs it in his mouth.

Going to catch up on the rest now...

ChasingDaisy Fri 28-Jun-13 20:43:12

Yep pass that is the list I was working my way through today smile

TheDetective Fri 28-Jun-13 20:54:41

Fuckity fuckity fuck - no need for jealousy GT. It would be more helpful if babies learned to roll/walk/crawl at the same time as learning to understand!! ARGHHHHH!

Today has been long. Long. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG. O has whinged and high pitched screamed the whole day. Didn't matter what me or DP did. He had 4 hourly calpol which is a first. He's only ever had it as a one off and usually in the evening at bedtime.

Tonight he's had both calpol and Ibuprofen. He can only have one more calpol dose before 10am tomorrow. I can only think it is his teeth. He is biting and chewing everything he can, including syringes and spoons. Refused his tea. Just sat there shaking his head from side to side tell me you don't understand no now little O! and clamping his mouth shut. He took 1oz of his bedtime bottle, despite not having fed since 4pm, and not having his tea.

I think I'll slope off for an early night, because there isn't going to be a good nights sleep ahead I am sure!

Oh, and O pulled himself up to standing against the sofa this evening. So not only is he rolling, crawling, kneeling, knee walking, he is now standing himself up. Slow the frig down, I can't keep up confused.

The house is now back to it's unoscardestroyed state. hmm

ChasingDaisy Fri 28-Jun-13 20:57:23

Really need to find somewhere soon as my stepmum in particular, is getting pretty fed up of us living here. My dad is also saying that I need to get something sorted soon. I'm starting to get the feeling that we aren't that welcome here hmm I have been trying non stop and have lost count of the number of properties I have enquired about. I have even looked at properties in Northampton as a last resort, but nothing.

Fuck a duck.

TheDetective Fri 28-Jun-13 20:57:30

Water - I give cooled boiled water if it is available as this is what he prefers. Tap water if water isn't cool enough when I need it. He just wets his mouth and spits it out if tap water!

Pasta I haven't tried with it as finger food yet. I will do soon though! He didn't like it when I made baby pasta in a tomato sauce sad

TheDetective Fri 28-Jun-13 20:59:07

Oh no chasing. Can't believe they are being like that sad

As if you want to be there in this situation FFS.

I'm going to FB message you...

ValiumQueen Fri 28-Jun-13 21:11:34

Chasing how about trying somewhere completely new? Or down towards PP? Or up towards Haggis-land?

ChasingDaisy Fri 28-Jun-13 21:15:51

I had thought about that VQ but I just assumed I would have the same issues with HB etc

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 28-Jun-13 21:19:01

Ooo pass I love Friday night tele. I like the million pound drop (watching now) and Graham Norton. DH is out on the piss so I have feet up with tea and chocolate hob nobs. Yum.

chasing Yep, tap water here too and E loves munching on the spiral pasta. She finds them easier to hold than the penne which slip out of her grip. I did try spagetti but she didn't really get it, but that was a couple of weeks a go so she may be better now. Sorry re the housing situation. I'm afraid I have no wise words of wisedom, just lots of hugs.

Welcome back daisy I have post holiday blues big time, hope you aren't depressed to be back.

Had a good trip to the SALT team and dietician today. E has put back on a good amount of weight and has broken the 15lbs barrier. The speech and lanuage therapist was really impressed with her eating and E took 50ml milk from a doidy cup. We don't have to have any more weigh ins for a month now (longest ever) and hopefully at the next meeting we can reduce the amout going down the tube. So I'm starting to feel the end is in sight, although I know it's a long way yet.

Off to a BBQ for the rugby tomorrow and then out for a few drinks in the evening so should be a good day. Hope the rain buggers off.

kirrinIsland Fri 28-Jun-13 21:42:41

great news eliza

Sounds tough chasing but keep looking, something will turn up. There must be landlords out there that would be happy to have you - nice, reliable long term tenant.

Good luck with the pil's return GT.

Not envying those of you with crawlers! N is still at the just about sitting unaided stage and I am not encouraging her to do more. She has discovered she can cross a room by rolling, which DD1 never did, but no signs of crawling yet.

StuntNun Fri 28-Jun-13 21:49:45

Going to bed early, wish me luck,

ValiumQueen Fri 28-Jun-13 21:51:01

Chasing there may be less demand on property or more availability elsewhere. I still think you may be better off going to a refuge and being re-housed from there. At the moment you are not homeless so not a priority I guess.

J has just projectile vomited all over DH. He was in his cot and started coughing. DH went to get him and screamed like a girl as it was all in his (DHs) mouth, eyes etc. I must admit I did giggle.

He has never seen that before. It was good for him to see. It has happened to me dozens of times except I have the sense to keep my mouth shut.

ValiumQueen Fri 28-Jun-13 21:51:54

Good luck Stunt. May the quiche be with you x

ChasingDaisy Fri 28-Jun-13 21:55:16

The council (Northampton) actually consider me to be homeless, high priority etc but still a 9 month wait

Kyzordz Fri 28-Jun-13 22:02:13

Good luck stunt

vq I would've giggled too! Is j in bed now?

Hope good nights are had all round

Bryzoan Fri 28-Jun-13 22:13:54

Chasing - I am really shocked. If a young mum who has been a victim of dv and her 7 month old baby can't get support in finding somewhere to live who the fuck can? Maybe try calling shelter for advice if you haven't already? I do think it is a shame your folks aren't being a bit more helpful, but keep your chin up and keep going. Something will turn up because it has to!

StuntNun Fri 28-Jun-13 22:20:29

Sleep fail. J has been crying and now DS1 is sobbing in bed because he had a nightmare and I won't let him have the main light on because it would stop DS2 from sleeping. No sleep allowed here.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 28-Jun-13 22:33:31

I don't want to get into politics but now is a horrible time to be in need of anything in the UK. I agree with vq though, women's aid might be a good option. Or... Mve somewhere new. Lots of places out there (and a spare room here if you need it for a break) chasing

Sorry, but mwah ha ha ha ha to the valiumking grin One of the very few times DD1 vommed was straight into my mouth and I am keeping that story back for her wedding day grin

eliza that sounds really positive. I'm sure I'm not the only quiche member who will be freaking celebrating when that tube comes out.

luis that is bad luck. Has he spoken more since that first time? I was thinking of you the other day, there was a thread by a MNer whose daughter had spoken her first words at 12. Then your post on fb came up. Something in the water?

stunt best of luck

I'm just still seething at the whole nastiness of my work situation. Will copy and paste on fb my email exchange tomorrow angry

PetiteRaleuse Fri 28-Jun-13 22:34:27

Crap. Cross posted stunt sad

That sucks.

GTbaby Fri 28-Jun-13 22:54:02

Oh no daisy. shock

Chasing hope you find somewhere soon. Our council give out our details as one of the properties fil owns is offered to HB. Strange as I'm sure he has said it's financially better then private letting. Wonder why more ppl dont accept it.
Shame parents feel that way. Wonder if PIL secretly want us to move out?

Pass... Was going to say something. Can't remember what ....

Luis that sucks. FX for cold to get better quickly xxx

Det don't question it (we all know your reading! Mr) just enjoy it and apprisiate it.

Still giving cooled boiled water.

GTbaby Fri 28-Jun-13 22:56:37

Pass. 4cubes is what lo is having.

BP I can't see why your going. Will you be posting less because of work? You will still be about no? shock Don't go!

ValiumQueen Fri 28-Jun-13 23:06:10

Everyone in bed in the Palace. Mummy last tonight. DH was tired. Not happy with him tonight. Git.

That is dreadful Chasing. Absolutely dreadful.

Pass 4 cubes is ace. Scale it up and see how much it would be. J struggles to make 2 disappear. And I am a fucking awesome cook before you ask.

No sweets up noses today but we did have a cut tongue. Not bad thankfully, and her fat lip from last week is ok now. She looked like a duck it was so swollen.

Luis poor J losing his voice reminded me of the 'isn't it ironic' song by Alanis Morrisette.

ValiumQueen Fri 28-Jun-13 23:08:11

Stunt I have come to the decision that having more than two children is fucking hard work. Are you still feeling broody?

MsJupiterJones Fri 28-Jun-13 23:27:56

That is great Eliza, well done E!

TheDetective Fri 28-Jun-13 23:32:42

Ahhh feck. Just opened O's door to check on him before bed. Was met with a pair of steely eyes staring right back at me. hmm and a flip of the legs to kick at the cot mobile.

Go back to sleep go back to sleep go back to sleep!!!

No sounds yet...

Who am I kidding? He had 1oz at bedtime and no solids at dinner ffs!!!

Passmethecrisps Fri 28-Jun-13 23:45:25

Tonight is a night for sleeping with the dressing gown on it seems. . .

ValiumQueen Sat 29-Jun-13 00:43:12

Shitting fucking coughing. If DD2 were a pet she would have been rehomed by now.

GTbaby Sat 29-Jun-13 00:50:58

Det. I have often gone into check on lo and found he is wide awake and smiles at me when u walk in. I just used to tip toe out. And occasionally if I can see his in a good mood I can give him a quick kiss. If in bad mood he starts to cry and I walk straight out and shut the door. Most times he falls asleep or amuses himself. And judging by the state of his cot toys in the morning he likes playing with them while on his own.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sat 29-Jun-13 01:11:22

James has just taken a bottle with 3oz neocate to 4oz breast milk. We're getting there!

Need to post and fill in regarding the nurses visit on Thurs but too late no and will end up forgetting!

izzybizzybuzzybees Sat 29-Jun-13 01:11:37

Oh and he downed the lot!

StuntNun Sat 29-Jun-13 01:52:33

VQ I would have another baby like a shot apart from having to wait 9-18 months because I had a CS. I know what J is going through isn't normal, my other two had their problems but not as bad as the reflux/allergy situation.

DH took J away to settle him so I could sleep. Unfortunately he settled him on the bean bag. He seemed genuinely surprised when I pointed out that was dangerous. Thanks but I don't need sleep at the expense of taking risks like that.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sat 29-Jun-13 02:27:24

Just had a screaming for from James. He was only fed less than an hour and a half ago yet when I went in he's jumping up and down in my arms trying to latch onto my neck. I wasn't going to feed him after that short a time! DH woke and has taken over the settling mission. I know if I bring him into our bed he'd settle straight away but I can't keep doing that!

PurplePidjin Sat 29-Jun-13 04:49:33

brew all round.

R went down at 7, waking at 10:15, 2:45 and 4:30. Much improved for us although i yearn for the days of 7+ hours hmm

MsJupiterJones Sat 29-Jun-13 05:06:52

Propped up on a pillow with a sleeping baby on my chest. Haven't done this since the early days but he can't seem to sleep even though he's exhausted. Thank goodness it's Saturday so I can catch up on sleep later.

StuntNun Sat 29-Jun-13 05:19:38

Another wake up here so the mashed potato for dinner didn't do the trick. Hopefully he'll go back to sleep after this, I'm not ready to face the day yet.

Lily311 Sat 29-Jun-13 05:47:44

Every 1.5 hours. She turns on her back and can't turn to tummy. She can do it during the day but not at night.

luis so sorry
* stunt* hugs

ChasingDaisy Sat 29-Jun-13 06:31:46

7 -1-4-6.15 so an average night here.

Passmethecrisps Sat 29-Jun-13 06:48:22


Well that was fucking shit. DH was working until the early hours so I thought I would get an early night so I would be bright as a button today.

Ha! Right from bedtime p needed settling very hour at least. At points it was every 20 mins or so. No idea what was wrong. She wails, I put her dummy in and she is straight back asleep but maybe only for minutes. I stood at watched her a couple of times to see what was happening but nothing obvious. She seemed to want to curl right up and sleep like a wee tortoise. Maybe a sore tummy.

Anyway. She woke at 6am for the day. Found her sitting up in her cot looking round about her.

Great about the bottle izzy! Getting somewhere. Not so great about the wake up.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sat 29-Jun-13 08:10:02

James fed at 9pm,1am,5am and 7am. This is a big improvement on the last goodness knows how long. The problem now is the wakening we have between feeds. He woke at 11pm, 12am and 3am and wouldn't settle each time. He would be fine when held yet scream when laid down in cot. I was on his floor with him from 2 til 5 when I gave up and took him and I into our bed. Not good!

I am now expressing milk so I can go back to bed for a few hours to prepare for hen night tonight. Hoping I get a good few hours sleep! I'm waiting on hairdressers contacting me to see if I can get appt for blow dry or curls or something but I kinda hope they don't have space as that'd mean more sleep!

I don't think I'll ever manage to post fully about the nurses visit so short version is James is being prescribed omeprazole, according to nurse it's to be taken alongside ranitidine which seems overkill so I shall check when I collect prescription on Monday. They want to work on his eating solids first and then his sleep in the hope solids may help sleep anyway. They think part of the sleep is behavioral and will need rectified somehow. The fact he refuses solids is pit down to oral aversion due to the reflux missed for so long (this is where I feel guilty for not picking it up even tho a few quiche members suggested it). Nurse is coming out on Thurs to play with fruit puree and hope he maybe takes some, she said it may take weeks! We have referral to dietician which they will attempt to fastback as this is needed for weaning J and also for me due to restricted diet and breastfeeding. That's pretty much it! Not so short after all!

My family, except DH reckon I need to wean him off breast onto neocate fully as they think he will tolerate it better without me feeding too and claim their reasoning is that I go in for surgery and can't breastfeed then so will be causing problems for when that time comes. I don't know what to feel about that but my initial reaction is that I would rather keep feeding him myself, especially after looking at the ingredients of neocate!

Epic post! Expressing done, I can hear DD up so hopefully when I go upstairs DH will take the 3of them down!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 29-Jun-13 08:22:44

Not sure what's wrong with LO. She was up for an hour at 12.30, screaming, arched back. Then slept til 7, up, screaming, arched back, no fever, have shoved a paracetamol up her bum. Must be teeth. Unless it's her ears again. <wibble>

She ate fine yesterday, but not hungry this morning. Very angry at any hint she should go back to bed.

StuntNun Sat 29-Jun-13 08:55:22

I'm glad to hear your getting somewhere with treatment for J Izzy. It's great that your DH is standing by you on your wish to keep bfing. Too many people seem to think either that you must stop bfing when the baby has ishoos or that bfing is some sort of self-indulgence on the part of the mother. But if you can face the dietary exclusions required then bfing will continue to provide benefits to him, particularly antibodies when we get back into winter. I'm sure plenty of women manage a short stay in hospital while bfing, as long as you can keep your milk supply going then you can resume once you've recovered from your operation. FC the improved sleep will continue.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 29-Jun-13 08:56:30

I'm sorry to be a bit shouty about this, especially with the multiple shitty nights going on, but....

Little pig slept from 7 til 5 with NO WAKINGS! In her own cot! Huzzah! Then went down for a further 2 hours.

Izzy I hope that F can be some sort of inspiration - 4 nights ago she was still waking 2 or at best, 3 hourly, for feeds through the night, and wouldn't sleep in her cot. We had 2 hellish nights, and 1 ok night, then last night was lovely. I'm hoping it wasn't just coincidence. Then again she has never slept that long in her entire little life.

GT I will unfortunately have to do something productive with my days, and don't have a smartphone, so won't be able to post at work. No doubt I'll make up for it with endless waffling at other times grin

Luis poor J sad. Tis very cruel. Has he been chattering away since the Gruffalo incident?

In some ways, I'm glad I have had a refluxy, non-napping, sleep-dodging velcro baby first. I am in no illusions as to how bloody hard it can be. And hopefully the next two or three won't be CMPI. Lightening doesn't strike twice, right?! Although even if it did, I would suspect it earlier.

I got quite tearful yesterday, looking at photos of when F was small. Her tummy was so bloated and distended, and with hindsight it was of course due to the secondary lactose intolerance and broken innards sad. It's that old guilt thing going on I suppose - why didn't I realise earlier, and cut out dairy.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 29-Jun-13 09:07:17

Izzy it is your decision, I'm sure their intentions are good, and they want to make things as easy as possible for your hospital stay. I wasn't ready to stop feeding really, but am happy with mix feeding now - especially since I can see that F is suffering no ill effects from the formula. My last post sounds a bit nobbish, but what I was trying to say badly was that, when the time is right, their bad sleep behaviours can be cracked - it isn't forever.

StuntNun Sat 29-Jun-13 09:16:11

BigPig I think YW posted something ages ago about cutting dairy in the third trimester of pregnancy to prevent CMPI. Certainly from a biological view this would make sense although I'm not sure there have been any studies done on the effectiveness. It tends to be like that with allergy-related issues though, sometimes there isn't concrete evidence and you just have to take a best guess at what is best for your baby. My DH is allergic to shellfish so my DS1 and DS2 weren't given shellfish until they were 5 as a precaution. Neither of them are allergic to shellfish but obviously we have no idea whether that's because of the precaution we took or whether they wouldn't have been allergic anyway. Given that both of them have hayfever (DH and I both have hayfever) and DS2 and DS3 both have eczema (I have eczema) I stand by it as a sensible decision to take. I'm sure after having a baby with CMPI you would do anything to avoid it in future.

MissMummy1 Sat 29-Jun-13 09:24:09

checking in very late. will read and post properly this afternoon.

Evilwater Sat 29-Jun-13 09:55:19

Ninja post,
Had a good nights sleep. p is at a 4x4 weekend.
Feel good.

Kyzordz Sat 29-Jun-13 10:02:37

omg I wrote a huge post last night before the little one saying good luck stunt and have only just realised it's not there!! bollocks. fail.

ah well, morning everyone

YellowWellies Sat 29-Jun-13 10:06:28

BPLP CMPI has a verrrrry strong genetic link so sadly, is fairly likely to strike twice. My cousin's wife has just entered the 3rd trimester of her 2nd pregnancy and is cutting dairy after their first had CMPI and FTT as a result. When I get updiffed again I'm doing the same. I'm glad we tackled it super aggressively super early as he doesn't seem to have any symptoms anymore (on meds!) and all the pain was when he was so tiny he hasn't got any oral aversion. But the 'they'll grow out of it' view prevails amongst GPs and our parents, and the wish to deny there is anything wrong is very strong - it's only because of family history I knew I had to act.

Izzy go with your gut on the BF - the ingredients do read rather like a science project and TBH made me think the same. If you're in hospital and determined to keep BF I bet you could borrow an industrial hospital breast pump and pump super quickly?

ChasingDaisy Sat 29-Jun-13 10:37:42

pig where O leads F will follow....grin

I have handed my boy over to XP for the day sad. I feel like I've lost a limb. But I will stop being dramatic now and lose myself in Ikea.

Passmethecrisps Sat 29-Jun-13 10:43:26

Interesting interesting interesting.

I have never read the ingredients of nutramigen as what good would it do? We had no choice but to use it and I am forever thankful for the wonders of science meaning my baby gets to thrive on milk which doesn't turn her tummy in knots.


I 100% understand the reticence of you izzy and yw to introduce something which is almost the polar opposite to the natural way your babies have been fed since they were born. For this reason izzy I would say the decision must be entirely yours. If you are willing to sacrifice your diet then no one else should be telling you otherwise.

My experience of the HCP with regard to dietary conditions is that they breathe a sigh of relief when you can provide them with lists of ounces taken and exact figures. There is a certainty about FF which makes them feel more comfortable. It is also about control. When P was being fed by a tube we had no say in what substance they poured down there. You have a say.

When I saw the paed recently and he was catching up on P's history when I responded that she was fully FF and had been for months his response was "ah! So we can't even blame you then!" Now, this was said tongue in cheek and was definitely a nod towards the inclination to hold BF responsible for feeding issues.

Waffle waffle waffle.

Even I've forgotten what my point was. . .

Passmethecrisps Sat 29-Jun-13 10:48:01

chasing I left P to get my hair done and felt like I had lost a limb - you are not being dramatic!

Eat some dime bar cake. Sit on the sofas in the tiny yet perfectly formed apartments and imagine the day O and you have your own lovely place and how happy you two will be.

Kyzordz Sat 29-Jun-13 10:51:24

Aha! My post from last night.....

Evening all, barely had time to fart let alone post! Seems like its been really quiet on here though compared to usual! Seems like there is shit quichewide sad big hugs all round. E has been the epitome of whingebag today, no fun at all! Also thought he was refusing tea at me but actually it was because he hated the ek pouch I'd done him. It was sweetcorn and chicken and mash, and I thought it quite rank also, did a spag Bol and he ate that. Been a muchos busy day today so not had time to sort a 'proper' tea out sad

Maybe we should try to rally round a load of positive bits and bobs? Anyone got any nice plans for tomorrow?

Sounds like some of the quiche babies are getting right good at this moving malarkey!! Eric is very frustrated that he can't and don't I sodding know about it! Whine whine whine whine whiiiinee!

luis that is very much unfair!! sad hope j's cold goes away soon bless him

chasing in an attempt to answer your questions, e has both cooled boiled water and tap water, and filtered tap water. Whatever I'm closest to really! I always let the tap run a second before using the water, because the first bit is so cloudy! Pasta... Eric hasn't had big people pasta yet but I got some spirally pasta today as one of our planned meals is a pasta bake. I always offer e something on a spoon and something finger foody where possible, he takes the tiny pasta just fine and loves the stuff so I am hoping for a good result with big pasta smile I'd just stick it on the tray plain at first, it'd probably be too slippery in a sauce, though I guess you could dunk the end in something sauceish if you wanted to! Sounds like o is doing well smile shame your dad and stepmum are being like that sad are they aware of how hard you're trying? It isn't like you wanted to be in that situation and they should be supportive. You might find somewhere else has more places that'll accept hb perhaps?

Glad p is seeming better pass, sounds like she's doing really well with weaning!!! Go p!!! How big are the cubes? Either way that's a lot compared to her starting out isn't it smile e keeps clearing his bowl and seems to want to eat a decent amount now too. Not always for breakfast but generally for lunch and even tea sometimes! He is drinking 28oz and eats three times a day, I've no idea if this is good or not but for him, it is. I still feel odd trying not to worry about his milk intake when I'm so used to trying to ensure he drinks a decent amount!

Oh evil why are things worse with p? Sounds like n is doing well! smile

Hope you enjoyed your holiday daisy smile flight sounds like fun :|

eliza that's fab news about e!!! Really pleased she's doing so well smile hope she continues to do well smile what's a doidy cup? Either way it must be a good thing that she can use one! <goes to look at doidy cups>

StuntNun Sat 29-Jun-13 11:00:41

Kiddicare are matching Mothercare's 15% off sale. I just got a Maxi-Cosi Axiss car seat for £145 (RRP £220) ready for when J grows out of his Cabriofix.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 29-Jun-13 11:33:44

F just did a poo. DH took a sniff and announced "it doesn't smell too harmful" grin

Passmethecrisps Sat 29-Jun-13 11:36:09

Thank you for the heads up stunt. I'll go and have a look.

kyz I think you are awesome! You are constantly busy