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The 5th Gemini luxury bus - the one with babies!

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FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 21-Jun-13 15:07:47

As we have all our gorgeous babies now, welcome aboad the 5th Gemini bus.

Drinks and previously banned foods supplied in bulk, Car seats installed, slings and prams at the ready, as we head into parenthood, and all the excitement, and sleepless nights our little ones will bring along the way.

Just thinking about banned foods, I should have someone bring us some SUSHI. Holy yum.

Jojobump1986 Fri 21-Jun-13 15:50:08

Pimms anyone? grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 21-Jun-13 16:13:53

Sushi is banned? Oops. blush

<drinks pimms to disguise shame>

I pop in to say hello and cause you to drive the bus to a whole different topic!! Drastic avoidance measures frus wink

Well, at least it was (supposed to be?) when we were pregnant. Someone pass me a Pimms please to help numb these throbbing rocks on my chest. Cheers! <chugs>

Birth photos are linked in our fb group. No worries, everything is PG.

Hi thunder <waves madly> I actually went looking for you not long ago on the Laura Ashley thread as that was my old thread but everyone seemed new and you were no where to be found, just wanted to see how you were getting on, really pleased to hear you blood test results sound so positive!
Great new bus, can't believe it, we've all graduated!
Lor on your previous question, I personally wouldn't wake your little man to feed in the night, in the book I use ( the bible ) it discourages any wake up after 7 at night as if you do it at the same time for example 10/11 before you go to bed you will find you are doing it for longer then your baby needs and as its you waking him but will also develop a habit of him waking at that time when he no longer needs a feed iyswim, would an option be you expressing some before bed at say 10 and when he next wakes give it him in a bottle so he gets used to one, dh can enjoy feeding him and you get a longer stint of sleep? When he starts sleeping through you can either drop it or move it to the 7 o'clock feed? If its in a bottle obviously there will be no crankiness as its straight in and out?

Oh and I'd love a pims! What a fabulous suggestion

Hey kitty, good to see you! Yeah I'm on the Laura Ashley thread and the elderberry pavlovas too. I come and go though- have needed a break recently.

I'll have a pimms too if anyone's offering and you won't kick me out too soon for not fulfilling bus criteria blush

<offers strawberries and clotted cream>

<oh and some Brie if you're after the forbidden foods!>

You'll never be kicked off ( when you bring goodies) once a member always a member! you can also join us on the fb page too if you want
Dd1has just peed on carpet, oh how I love this age

Oo are there photos?

Yes pictures of all the new little ones and oldies, it's quite funny putting names to faces!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 21-Jun-13 20:36:55

I wrote a reply. And then my battery died. Oh well.

Ds has started on the gaviscon. Lets hope we can manage to get through a feed without being covered in baby sick.

Lorelei353 Fri 21-Jun-13 20:49:20

Yay. New thread in whole different forum. I did start a post to suggest this earlier but never got a chance to send it.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 21-Jun-13 20:52:29

I'm glad it not just me that starts writing a post but doesn't send it lor

Lorelei353 Fri 21-Jun-13 20:53:22

Thanks for that kitty. That's what I thought. I suppose we've also been told to still not let him go beyond 4 hours without feeding, until his weight is back up. mw coming on Monday to hopefully weigh and discharge us. Today is day 10 but she's given us a few extra days.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 21-Jun-13 21:05:57

Dd2 keeps doing that kitty which just isnt funny anymore, my bathroom smells what is funny however was ds getting isn't himself in the face earlier. That's not something one comes across with girls. grin who ever said boys were easier clearly never changed a nappy.

Just pm me thunder if you want to be added on fb. smile

Midwife came for day 3 visit. Baby girl gained 2 oz, got a super cute midwife-knitted hat, showed off her milk-guzzling as well as super-pooing skills and I got a cabbage grin.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 21-Jun-13 21:18:08

Did the cabbage arrive wearing the hat? wink
good weight gain bugle. grin

grin At ds's nappy changing frus. Gota love a shower he he
Can't believe you've got a weight gain bring! That's impressive at 3 days, she knows what she's doing doesn't she!

Yes, it was a super fancy cabbage.

Jojobump1986 Fri 21-Jun-13 22:07:37

DS2 just peed all over DH & the bed! grin I never have that problem <smug> - I drape a wipe over him as soon as I open the nappy, wipe through the wipe, replacing it if necessary & then switch nappies underneath him before removing the wipe & doing up the new nappy. A friend taught me that trick about a year ago & I've not had any incidents since! No idea why DH won't listen to me. He spends ages carefully arranging the travel change mat as an extension of the normal mat "because DS2 always wees in the same direction" & then carefully dabs at his nether-regions until you could eat off his little bottom! hmm I regularly feel like telling him to get on with it but then I feel bad for questioning his ability!

Impressive weight gain bring! It must feel good to have confirmation that all the feeding & sore breasts are doing their job! smile

Librarina Sat 22-Jun-13 00:55:39

Ooooh, nice new bus

We had our day 5 check today.

She's still a bit jaundice but well below the treatment line. She's gone down fr 8lb 13 to 8lb 6 which is fine and my stitches are healing nicely (thanks to spritzing w tea tree and witch hazel)

Will try pop in in daylight, but going back to sleep soon as she gets off this boob!

My boobs are rather lovely, I am in awe of them. My nipples on the ty hand are trashed!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 22-Jun-13 01:03:10

Who needs daylight?

Do you have lanolin for your nipples lib?

Good news on the jaundice, lib Ouch on the nips. Yes to lanolin. If you can find nipple butter that has coco seed butter and herbs like calendula, even better because it'll help heal things as well as keep them moisturized. Do you have companies like Earth Mama, Angel Baby or Motherlove over there?

DH is being a dear and has run out for a cheeseburger for me during a thunderstorm (entirely his idea because he didn't want to cook tonight grin), I smell like coleslaw with giant cabbage leaves in my bra, and I have decided that whoever created the electric breast pump is a genius because now I'm actually sitting comfortably with normal-breast-like-consistency boobs. I expressed 10 oz! shock There is no way this kid is going to drink 10 oz in a sitting....

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 22-Jun-13 04:13:58

He he, I've discovered that dd2s fake attention seeking crying triggers my letdown. Little monster.

Librarina Sat 22-Jun-13 07:59:05

I have so much lanolin my nips are slippy! I think she has a Pavlovian response to the lid snapping on!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 22-Jun-13 08:02:12

I've not head of those companies bring but then I do live out in the sticks. 10oz is amazing.

Mmm cheeseburger.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 22-Jun-13 08:10:22

My apologies now if my sentences are shorter and more abrupt than normal. I really don't mean to be rude. I'm just struggling to stay focused on anything, when it's not all go in my house I seem to just fall asleep mid post.

Hahahah Lib! That actually really made me laugh. <insert agonizing moan> they are back to throbbing and rock-hard, making it impossible to get back to sleep right now. That's after massaging them for 10 mins in the shower.

Hey, we're all mums Frus. Short, abrupt sentences while stopping to talk to a little person and frantically looking around the room for kids causing trouble while having a conversation is totally normal.

Librarina Sat 22-Jun-13 10:15:51

I think we're all a bit short if sentence and random with our spelling.

But aren't we lucky!

Mine just pooed but I can't bring myself to wake her!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 22-Jun-13 10:41:33

I don't lib I wait until he stirs.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 22-Jun-13 10:45:02

Oh and my parents have just announced they're popping in on their way back from somewhere. I am a slattern. My house is a state. It's usually spotless when they visit. And I don't care. grin it's not like they'd ever offer to help.

Lorelei353 Sat 22-Jun-13 11:40:10

I can sympathise on the sore nips. lanolin is amazing though.

Jojobump1986 Sat 22-Jun-13 15:43:55

I never got on with lanolin. I found coconut oil just as effective & much more soothing to apply. I use coconut oil for everything! It's also great as a nappy rash cream & on dry skin!

Librarina Sat 22-Jun-13 16:05:52

I've just ordered the Eartth .mama nipple butter and to make the order up to free delivery have added the bottom butter on for her. Hope she likes it, the reviews are good.

That stuff is ahhhhh-mazing Lib. I always recommend it to mamas that I work with. Glad it's available in the UK for you! Plus, it smells like chocolate smile

Still have rocks on my chest, but at least the throbbing has subsided a bit. Tried expressing again this morning and found that only one side is being cooperative and the other refuses to let the milk out. Urgh. At least little miss is good at drawing it all out.

Currently chilling with the boys in bed and watching Disney Jr, as it's cloudy and meh outside. It's good to finally spend some time with them after they've been in school all week, and I've been in my bedroom in my lovely postpartum cocoon. Dh has been so sweet these past few days. I'll have to repay him in a few months when he has surgery!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 22-Jun-13 17:40:45

🍔 anyone

Librarina Sat 22-Jun-13 21:50:01

Is that a late night burger?

Yummy, but pregnancy & childbirth has turned me veggie!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 22-Jun-13 23:12:07

Quorn burger lib grin

Ultimate question; is there any point in snuggling down to sleep now if ds is making squeaky noises? hmm

🐙 <-- look its an octopus

Jojobump1986 Sat 22-Jun-13 23:27:30

No, Frus... That's a small, empty rectangle... How much of that Pimms did you drink? hmm

I'd say wake DS up & feed him now & you'll be sorted for a few hours kip! wink

Librarina Sat 22-Jun-13 23:44:36

Midnight feed a bit early .

Pleases sleep until 3 baby.

Also have just accidentally used lipbalm on my nips instead if lanolin.
I hope she likes fermented paw paw with honey!

Shit! Honey!

Jojobump1986 Sun 23-Jun-13 03:40:27

The thing about honey is the risk of botulism - I doubt that's an issue from cosmetics! It's a very low risk with actual honey anyway!

DS2 is driving me mad! Normally it takes a minute max for him to latch on... It took 15 minutes, he fed for 4 & fell asleep. hmm He woke up a little after I changed his nappy but I've had to keep prodding him to get him to feed for another 8 mins. Given the fuss he was making when he woke me up you'd have thought he was starvi

Jojobump1986 Sun 23-Jun-13 03:42:40

*starving... I'm so sleepy! He's now refusing to burp so I can't lay him flat & will have to stay upright cuddling him all night. I want to sleeeeeep!

Librarina Sun 23-Jun-13 03:53:17

I miss sleeping!

Wish we fed in bed...I'm chilly!

I'd like this to be a decent feed, make the pain count.
Having her latch checked on Tuesday by a Lact Cons as it still hurts but the Midwives have all said her position is fine. She's just started 'clicking' when she swallows.

Librarina Sun 23-Jun-13 03:55:21

So she appears to love the lipbalm... It's from Australia and apparently it doubles up as nipple balm there.

Who knew I could spend so long thinking about nipples and cream for them!

LOL at using lipbalm lib

Dude, I've got ridiculous cleavage right now and she isn't due to eat for another 30 minutes. gaaaaahhhhhh this is so agonizing. Very much looking forward to when this phase is OVER.

Also, has anyone else been having headaches? I've been having headaches at the end of the day, despite drinking a TON of water. I wonder if it's hormones or just pure exhaustion.

Librarina Sun 23-Jun-13 04:10:05

I had a splitting headache last night. Went to bed at 8.30 but didn't go to sleep til gone 10.

I think its cos we did too much. Had lots of visitors then took her out to a party. We didn't stay long but it was incredibly wearing, mostly emotionally.

Librarina Sun 23-Jun-13 04:10:30

Are you getting nightmares also?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 23-Jun-13 06:57:18

Yes bring I had headaches at the same stage. Can't remember when they stopped (don't have them now) think it was only a few days.

I ignored the squeaking, and got 1.30, 430 and 6.30.

Jojobump1986 Sun 23-Jun-13 07:22:53

Yeah, I got headaches every afternoon/evening for a couple of days towards the end of the first week. Seems fine now though!

I can't believe it's been 2 weeks already! Kinda dreading DH going back to work tomorrow. My DM is coming to pick DS1 up on Tuesday & they're going to have him until Thursday so I've only got to tackle Monday & Friday with both by myself. Hopefully by this time next week I'll have recovered more & be able to get back to normal! I hate having to send DS1 away. sad

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 23-Jun-13 07:57:18

jojo don't think of it as sending ds1 away, think of it more as ds1 is having a lovely holiday with nanny (without you).
But it is good that your dm will have him whilst you recover.

lib do you take her off and put her back on when she clicks? I know the clicking, but I can't remember why they do it. Will look on kellymom later.

We're starting to get smiles grin

Jojobump1986 Sun 23-Jun-13 09:43:02

Smiles already? Wow! envy We get some lovely windy faces... wink

I know he'll have a fab time! He's never really bothered by being away from us. People keep telling me that's a good thing but I'd quite like it if he showed some signs of missing me just a little! She's talking about taking him on a train for the first time. I fully expect him to come back ridiculously over excited & shouting 'wheels' & 'train' constantly! He's obsessed with wheels!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 23-Jun-13 10:00:33

jojo theyre tiny little smiles, only when he's wide awake which is rarely, and I'm sure they're not quite conscious smiles yet. But his eyes smile.
Not windy smiles, we get some lovely windy grins, usually followed by puke. grin

I'll take "train" and "wheels" over "party!" Unfortunately "party" can mean, party, birthday, present, disco, balloons, invite, card, wrapping paper... Etc <sigh>

You were all busy last night!
I too was awake but just to tired to register anything, the lack of sleep is really getting to me, it took me 2 hrs to get her down last night, so til 9 I didn't go to sleep til 11 as expressed milk then, she woke at 2 which I thought great that'll be the only feed. Dh gave her the bottle but she polished it off wouldn't sleep so I had to get up and feed her again and she eventually went to sleep at 3:30 then she was up at 5:30hmm I wanted to cry!
That's 5 hrs sleep for me and I can't nap because of dd1, it's been like this for nights, she's either good as gold and goes down straight away after each feed and had one at 7,10,3,7 or is full of wind and it takes 2-3 hrs to get her to sleep, the other problem is not knowing how much milk to give her, I'm expressing twice aday to make enough and give her 4oz, if I give her more I get really anoyed if she leaves it as I think it took me half an hour to make that but if I don't give enough I have to get up and do it anyway!! I think I should just maybe give formula for that feed to go easy on myself and just express occasionally to have as a back up in freezer or use it majority and formula if I've not got enough but because I gave dd1 just bm I feel like I'm not doing her justice and feel guilty like I'm doing her a disservice! confusedconfusedconfused

Oh by the way Jojo with both mine I've often had to lie them down flat for 30secs pic them up and the wind comes up straight away, ( believe me after the horrendous colic dd had I'm an expert at every method) I used to try and wait rubbing ect and sometimes it'd come up straight away but if it didn't the short lie down always brought it up

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 23-Jun-13 10:50:56

Hey kitty don't feel guilty about how you feed dd. at the end of the day you need to function. I have little cartons of formula in the cupboard. Dd1 was ebf, dd2 was 1/4 formulakhtbzthfftyr <-- dd2 just decided to be helpful. grin

I have a dilemma. Dd2 has drawn on the kitchen wall. She has written "F"s all over it.
Dilemma is, do I tell her off for writing on the wall, or praise her for writing "F" (never written anything resembling a letter at home before, plus she deliberately wrote F.) wall needs painting anyway.

That's a toughey, think I'd say what were you writing etc that's very clever sweetheart but you must ask mummy for some paper if you want to draw and write because we want to keep them, you mustn't write on walls!? Or something like that?

Lorelei353 Sun 23-Jun-13 15:08:06

Ooh sore boobs again today. I think since ds started feeding more my supply has gone up and they're massive again. Also leak ridiculously as soon as he goes near them. We're both swimming in it by the time he latches on.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 23-Jun-13 15:30:11

Ouchy for you. Have you soaked through a breast pad yet lor? The more they feed the more you make. .-I'm getting through at least a change of clothes a day due to leakage. blush

Lorelei353 Sun 23-Jun-13 16:05:12

Not quite soaking through clothes yet. Just gushing out once I go feed him. How long does it take for this to even out a bit?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 23-Jun-13 16:33:32

I'm better than I was to start with. But I think it might be after 12weeks, as I remember it being much easier and more convenient to bf after that growth spurt. I'm pretty certain I didn't wear pads until 18mths (dd1). Not sure about the milk in face issue. hmm

Oh and DH just had to remind me that it's payday this week. Duh, how could I forget that?!!

Phew, you've been a chatty bunch today!

I have to skype with the MIL <eyeroll> and then I'll be back.

Ok. So that was fun. <another eyeroll> I love her, but she can be so over the top sometimes.

Right, so sounds like the headaches are probably hormonal then. That's a relief. Also good news that they'll eventually stop. Yes, Lib also getting crazy dreams. Not really nightmares, but some pretty wacky stuff. If clicking during feeds, definitely take her off and restart. It's from her tongue skipping across the nipple (OUCH) and not creating a full seal. One thing you can try is suck-training. Have her suck on your pinky finger with the nail-side on her tongue before latching her on. You should feel her tongue "cup" your finger and it should feel like she's pulling it in further when she sucks. If she starts chewing or clicking while sucking, lightly stroke the roof of her mouth until she starts sucking correctly again and then try latching her on after it feels like she's gotten the hang of it. You might have to do this with every feed until she gets the latch and sucking down.

Jo The beginning with 2 kids is so daunting, but I promise you'll figure your way through it. A few hards times, but it's only going to get easier once you find your rhythm. It sucks when other things are way more exciting than mum, huh? My boys so don't even care that I'm not doing much right now. They get loads of TV (a rare thing) and dad-cooked meals which means only the things they'll actually eat instead of me making them eat healthy stuff.

Kitty I know the temptation is so strong as this point to go for the formula. It sounds like she's already having some nights where it's harder for her to digest, and the thing that would worry me about adding in the formula is that you might get even more nights of gas and painful digestion for her because the adjustment from easy-to-digest breastmilk to longer and harder-to-digest formula could mess with her system.

Oh I feel for you Lor!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 23-Jun-13 20:03:39

Nice Skype bring grin

I've been driven mad by the dcs today.

Thanks bring, I hadn't thought of that, I'm feeling abit less desperate now anyway as dh let me have a nap while he had dd1 but it is getting me down, ill keep going as I know ill feel guilty giving her the formula anyway, I'm allready at 5 wks and there digestion really improves by 10-12 so I'm practically half way through
< clutches at straws>
Lor my boobs settled down quite quickly but as frus said I'm sure later on there's a point where you don't need to wear pads, I can't remember either though! At the moment when I'm feeding I put a breast shell in the other side to catch milk or if I'm out apply pressure to other nipple to stem the flow, it does work, to be subtle you can just bend your arm up and and just pull it into your body so it's applying pressure to boob/nipple, I find my pads only get a few drops on them by the end if the day

Lorelei353 Sun 23-Jun-13 20:56:29

Thanks kitty. It's really mostly gushing from the one I'm feeding from. It just goes all over ds and my feeding pillow. Startles him when he starts sucking too.

Still suffering a bit of baby blues too. I think I get blood sugar dips in the afternoon and it makes me really weepy. It's all still a bit overwhelming. Fortunately my dh is amazing and wonderfully supportive and my mum is here now to help as dh goes back to work tomorrow. Must keep snacking in the afternoons!

So glad you were able to rest kitty. Babies usually go through another growth spurt at around 6 wks of age where the nights will seem endless, but it will start to get better! Have you noticed anymore patterns with your diet and nights that were more difficult than others?

Ugh frus I know what you mean. I love those monsters so much but with having all of this relaxing time with dd, they are like tornadoes when they come in my room. It feels so stressful! Roll on normal life choas again soon. <eek!>

I think I remember the crazy milk supply settling down at about 2 wks. I leak like nobody's business so I also do what kitty said and press the nipple in when the let-down hits. I had breast pads until about a year with #2 (we bf until 1 month shy of age 2) and #1 switched to formula at 7 months (biggest parenting regret of my life as now he's got a horrible dairy allergy)....so we'll see what this time ends up like.

Dd's cord stump is falling off and stinks so much. Ew.

Def keep eating and drinking lor. Sorry it's feeling that way for you. Are you able to get in afternoon naps?

Lorelei353 Sun 23-Jun-13 21:13:58

I'm usually getting an hour in sometime in the afternoon.

Jojobump1986 Sun 23-Jun-13 21:47:21

DS2's cord stump smelled awful too bring. It was a bit weepy as well & didn't fall off until day 9/10. Thankfully the MW came round on day 10 & said it looked normal so we were less concerned about it being infected. It's still a little gunky now. We get tiny smears of blood/pus looking stuff on his nappy. The awful rotting flesh smell seems to have cleared up though! I've still not heard from the health visitor but I know they do a weighing clinic on Tuesdays so I'll pop along to that if it's not looking dry by then! I don't know what it is about the cord stump but it's the one thing I really can't handle. I usually have a sick fascination with all things icky but DH had to do almost all the nappies until it fell off & anytime I had to do one I felt quite queasy! blush I'll happily do nappies now though! hmm

Oh wow, her's fell off really quickly then. Yeah, as long as it's not actively bleeding or appears red and infected, then it just stinks and looks like an eyeball <barf>

Librarina Mon 24-Jun-13 06:12:54

I'm having my first feed that doesn't actively hurt. Don't know what we've done differently this time, just a subtle shift in position I think.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 24-Jun-13 07:51:56

Yay lib now to figure out what's different.

You know you're tired when... You repeatedly try to feed ds from the boob he's just emptied. blush

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 24-Jun-13 10:43:45

I only leak from one side during the day. hmm

lib That's awesome news!! Let's hope for more feeds like that!

Haha, yes frus that's a very good sign you're tired.

Little miss had her very cute newborn photoshoot this morning and pooped and peed all over her props. This photographer is absolutely amazing and she's working on her portfolio, so we got a great deal on the whole package since we were her first homebirth. Excited to see what she posts on facebook tomorrow!

Jojobump1986 Mon 24-Jun-13 17:40:47

Urgh. Headache! I think I'm probably dehydrated today. Everything was going so well. Got DS1 down for his nap, fed DS2 & was just getting ready to have a nap when DS1 woke up screaming! He usually has to be woken from his nap at 4 but this was before 2! I tried ignoring him & hoping he'd settle. He didn't. I tried bringing him into bed with me to sleep but he just wanted to watch videos on my phone. I tried calling DH & he did calm down for a couple of minutes but kicked off again as soon as DH hung up. Eventually I gave up & dumped him back in his cot & left him to shout. He was obviously over-tired! After a couple of minutes he went quiet & we all slept for another 2 hours! My headache still hasn't gone away but thankfully DH is on his way home & all I have to do for dinner is turn the oven on & move the defrosted fish pie from the fridge to the oven! Soooo glad we spent so many weeks making double quantities of things & freezing meals!

Sounds really stressful at the time Jo! Glad it all worked out and you three were able get in a good nap.

These headaches have been plaguing us all. I've had one since last night and it won't seem to budge. Haven't taken anything for it though. I feel like I've been living on ibuprofen for the past week! My poor liver....

Librarina Tue 25-Jun-13 02:25:53

Think my little girl has discovered cluster feeding...ll every hour for 20 mins

My poor shredded nipples are never going to recover.

Still breastnfeeding support group in the morning...yay! Then coffee OUT, OUT OFTHE HOUSE with DH!

Ooh ouch LIb. Keep using your nipple balm! Hopefully you can get some pointers at your support group tomorrow. Cluster feeding at night is seriously the worst. Your nipples always feel just that much more sore for some reason. Little Miss likes to cluster feed at 4:30 am until like 6 (of which then the boys then coming charging into our room). I'm so zzzzzzzzzz in the mornings now.

No headaches here but ill put myself on the line and say that as I had an epidural one I think I may have had my years allowance in one and I'm due a break?!?wink
Ouchey nipples lib, they do toughen up though, I remember mine being toe curling first time for a few weeks then it never bothering me again, this time I've not really had it at all!
Dd was so close to the perfect 1 feed night, woke at 1 went straight back down for dh but then just woke at 5 confused so close to 6 and I'd be dancing around, going to try to get abit more shut eye now as having a mini break today and taking dds to meet my best friend who lives in oz down in Windsor at Lego land, she's only back for a few weeks and hasn't seen dd1 since she was newborn

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 25-Jun-13 06:53:36

bring you've just made me wonder if I should have been taking ibuprofen after having colistatis. Although I did resort to my pain relief of choice. ignoring whether it was okay during breastfeeding in the desperation to get rid of the headache

lib cluster feeding is a nightmare, we have constant feeding from about 6-8 every morning.

Have discovered that ds won't latch on at night unless I shine a light on my nipple and call ds a good boy. hmm

Lol gringringringringrin boys always need praising

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 25-Jun-13 07:13:23

Didn't realise it started as early as 6weeks kitty grin dds never cared whether I was awake or not as long as they could get to the milk. It's like ds want me to be awake and wants me to see what he's doing. grin

Lorelei353 Tue 25-Jun-13 12:44:14

My ds seems to be cluster feeding around the clock at the moment. Every hour has been looking for a feed but only stayed on for about 10 mins. So frustrating.

I'm sure they would have warned you against taking it Frus if it was a worry. I just said that b/c I almost never take medicine, so I'm sure it was a bit of shock to my system. Seriously so funny that you say that about feeding boys! We had to flip on all the lights in the house when feeding DSs and this little lady seems to just find it and get the job done. Boys so do always need praising!

Yikes, Lor that sounds really frustrating (and time consuming). Have you tried tickling feet, using cool flannels on the shoulders and back to stimulate him to keep going at all?

Lorelei353 Tue 25-Jun-13 18:39:09

He settled down a bit this afternoon again. I do try tickling, blowing, cooling, nappy changing to keep him going but sometimes he just resists.

Librarina Tue 25-Jun-13 18:40:06

There is such good advice in this thread, I struggle to keep baby awake for the latter half of her nighttime feeds and it feels such a waste to wake up fir a 10 minute feed!

Tiny Nora has discovered she loves going out for lunch in her sling, however this afternoon she is really grumpy and I'm sure it's because now she's discovered how nice it is, that's the only place she wants to be.

I'm so glad I went to BF group this morning, I met 4 other new Mums and felt normal for the first time in days. I also fed for the first time in front of other people, and sitting on the floor, still hurts, got a cabbage down my bra, but i don't feel like giving up at the moment. I do wish the midwives could help a bit more with latching.

I wish I could just zip over and help you lib! Are there any Le Leche League leaders in your area that could make house calls? So glad you've had a nice morning! I promise things seem really hard at times in the beginning, and there's a learning curve for both of you but it will start to get better.

Glad you're getting a break lor! Maybe he's working on a little growth spurt?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 25-Jun-13 19:25:19

lib you know when you do a fish pout, and kiss a mirror (or window) and then puff it up. That's the seal that N needs around your nipple.
Do you have a feeding pillow? And do you hold the back of Ns head?

The problem I was having was ds wasn't quite getting his mouth open in the right place. I was trying to line his mouth up with my nipple, but the bf consultant I saw said to get his nose lined up, so he has to open his mouth wider and when he opens his mouth the nipple is positioned closer to the roof of his mouth. also got shown a trick of flipping the nipple in with a finger
Was also re-shown the tummy-to-mummy position and my ds has a better position if I hold him there with my hand on his back and let him hold his own head (rests on my arm).

bring I didn't tell them I took them, as I have a repeat prescription of a large supply of them. (didn't take them when pg).
The feeding must be a boy/girl thing then. Like DH turning every light on, on the way to the toilet at night, when I don't put any on.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 25-Jun-13 19:31:14

And what is it with one-sided leakage?

Lorelei353 Tue 25-Jun-13 21:21:05

lib I hear you. I was definitely having latch issues at first. Ended up watching some YouTube videos. Also I have a great feeding pillow that helped me get ds into position so I could just focus on the latch. Now that I have it I'm beginning to feed without the pillow.
When I went to bf support cafe last week I had to bring my pillow with me!

Videos on Breastfeeding from the breastfeeding God, Jack Newman. Have a watch, they are all super informative!!

I don't know Frus. I have one side that leaks way more than the other too. That side also never has problems with completely emptying while the other always gets clogged ducts and I have to massage it while feeding to try to get it to completely empty. Such complex and fascinating things we've got on our chests!

Midwife came around for 1 week check. M has put on 7 oz since birth! shock. Just under a half a pound in a week, she is growing way too quickly. Midwife suggested supplementing with sunflower lecithin to help with the breast that refuses to completely empty. It's supposed to make the milk more slippery so that it doesn't cause clogged ducts. Hopefully it starts working quickly, this boob basically starts throbbing again about 20 mins after a feed while the other one feels totally fine. Urgh.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 26-Jun-13 05:48:10

Excellent weight gain M! grin
Interesting bring I had mastitis on the side that doesn't leak. hmm

Up at the crack of dawn today, J was especially refluxy, and baby seagulls make a terrible noise when they run up and down on the roof. So we've taken the dog for an early morning walk. It's going to be a hot day.

Ooh and I won a double buggy on eBay, and all the bits on my current buggy fit it. Should make It easier to go out with dd in the summer now.

Never take a 22 month old and 5 wk old away to stay in a hotel room!

That is all

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 26-Jun-13 08:02:45

What happened kitty?

Actually baby a was a star, she had such an easy night of 15/20 min feeds and litterally straight back down to sleep as if she new we had to be quiet but dd1 our usual sleep angel would not go down, I think it was the excitement of being in a room with us in the end dh had to take her for a drive ( failed) and a walk in the buggey for an hour till she gave in at 11 ( she's normally in bed at 7:30) then she fell out of bed or got our at 3 in the morning and wanted more milk and walking around wanted to get in baby a car seat!
That was our room but worst a massive family came to check in at 11 just as dh got back from walk with masses of kids and they ran to and from each others rooms knocking on doors and going in and out and while the rooms were pretty soundproofed the corridor isn't and the doors make an almighty slam, at midnight we had to go and speak to the parents, I was absolutely livid arrrr

Librarina Wed 26-Jun-13 16:07:31

That sounds horrid Kitty. I do wish other people wouldn't be selfish, it just makes life harder.

We've had a busy 2 days. Baby is almost back to birthweight... Yay!

But more excitingly, I went to a Breastfeeding group yesterday where i met 4 other new mums and fed N for the first time outside of the house. We stopped using the cushion and changed from Rugby ball to cradle hold and it's really helped. I got a cabbage for my boobs and that helped too, but best of all is that last night she slept for over 5 hours which was the best thing of all.

Today we want to baby massage with the ladies I met at BF group yesterday. It was lovely and I think N liked it, when she eventually stopped feeding so we could have a go. Then we went to the supermarket and I fed and changed her in John Lewis. This time last week I wouldn't have thought I would ever do those things!

Am hoping my new nipple cream arrives today. And I hope she sleeps well again tonight. Love to you and your babies.

Yes it's really upset me as me and dh have argued out of frustration and its ruined what was surposed to be a treat, it cost £150 so just feel really irritated, very anoyed about the family as if they didn't know fair enough but they saw dh come back with dd1 asleep in the pram so saw wed struggled to get a tint one to sleep then carried on allowing their own children to be slamming doors going back and forth for the next hour, they'd even commented at first oh there's a little baby we must be quiet!angry I understand early mornings with kids etc but at midnight I don't think I'm unreasonable to think you should have more decency then
Anyway rant over!
You sound like you've had a good day lib, I remember with dd1 trying to always time feeds so I could sit in a car or hide under a big muslin, now I don't even think about it, 5 hrs is a great stint! Well done n, that's why I try to feed every 3 hrs in the day to incourage those long night stints, the best we've had is 7-3, one night of pure bliss, I'm still working on it wink

Oh gawd Kitty that sounds exhausting!! We had that happen with the kids when we flew abroad one time and spent the first night in a hotel. THE worst night of my life. DH got drunk and slept through it all You poor things! Hopefully you get a night to recover from it all and catch up on sleep.

Way to go Lib!! That is fantastic news!

Maybe we're on to something Frus?

Lorelei353 Wed 26-Jun-13 19:48:24

lib what a great day! I went to bf support group this morning too. It's such a lovely, welcoming place. Ran into one of the women from my NHS antenatal class too.

I'm working on relying on the breastfeeding pillow to feed and being able to do it in public. I can cradle him and feed but only if he's calm. If he's too hungry and antsy it's too much. Also of I'm leaking a lot it's so hard to manage. Getting there though.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 26-Jun-13 21:17:51

smile it's baby steps and practice for both of you lor
I'm fine until ds gets wind and pulls off squirting milk and flashing my boob everywhere. And then he always struggles to get back on. sure he just wants me to watch and praise
Expressed 3.5oz of my non-leaky side earlier, as I've just been too full today. And just bought a hand pump 1/2 price from tescos.

Ooh and did you know there's a baby sale at Argos

Librarina Wed 26-Jun-13 21:49:07

Are we all ready for the night shift? DH has taken N downstairs so I can squeeze in an hour or so early on, then I'll be in a better state to do the 4am slot which we are affectionately calling the 'suicide slot' as everything feels so bleak.

Only problem with our new feeding position is that I have no spare hands to look at the iPad now! No late night MNing.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 26-Jun-13 22:54:08

Suicide slot grin not sure if I'm ever ready for the night shift. I will need matchsticks tonight after my early morning.

Just managed to get j back to sleep in his carrycot, (been cuddled/cluster fed all evening) he kept threatening to wake for a feed, but settled back when I gave him an extra cover and lay where he could see my face. Bless. Almost a self settle. dds never self settled boys are so different.

Lorelei353 Wed 26-Jun-13 23:10:41

Been cluster feeding here too. dh cuddling now to settle. Will probably get through to about 1.30 before getting up for night feed and then maybe 4.30 or 5 if I'm lucky.

Soon you'll be so good at it lib that you'll be able to type one handed and nurse cradle style at the same time smile

Ok, so I had a pretty ridiculous 20 minutes....

M just out of nowhere totally projectile vomited everything in her poor tummy all over me. As I'm trying to clean myself and her up I feel a gush (after not really having any bleeding in the last couple of days) rush to the bathroom and passed a crazy-huge piece of retained membranes. shock. Normally when they are retained like that there is a lot of bleeding and cramping and the mum's milk never comes in. So bizarre! Called midwife who is just completely shocked and keeps saying she's never seen that in her 25 years as a midwife..... <now I'm feeling like a freak show>.

Jojobump1986 Wed 26-Jun-13 23:32:43

Has anyone else noticed that we have 2 first timers, 2 second & 2 third? Not only that but if you alphabetised our MN names the 2 third timers come first followed by the 2 second & then the 2 first timers!

It's funny the things you notice when you're sleep deprived & haven't been allowed 2 minutes to yourself all day. I'm so glad DS1 is staying with my parents for a few days! I have to have him back tomorrow though! No idea how I'll cope if DS2 continues to be so clingy once DS1 is home. I've not done anything other than lounge around in bed all day with DS2 sleeping on me but I'm exhausted now! I've reached the point where I just want him away from me... Just an inch or 2 would do! Apparently DH isn't good enough though. It must be me or you'd think the world is ending. He'd soooo better get over this phase when his cold goes!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 27-Jun-13 04:13:46

Ooh I love patterns line that jojo although my sleep deprivation prevents my brain from working at all grin

although I have noticed the gender pattern that goes with your pattern.
*bring b:b:g. *frus g:g:b
*jojo b:b *kitty g:g
*lor b. *lib g.

grin can you guess what time it is...

I have a clingy little only mummy will do boy.

... Ds is in cot.. Not whinging.. Will be back after proper sleep..

We also have one boy and one girl for each category! How odd that it all worked out like that. We are a bunch made to be together. <3

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 27-Jun-13 04:30:17

grin that we are bring

clearly I didn't get any sleep after my last post, but at least I defrosted my shoulders

What an odd thing to happen bring (the clot) your milk came in on time,

Librarina Thu 27-Jun-13 04:46:58

You crazy ladies and the things you come up with! I still struggle to work out how the names in Facebook correlate to the names on here! But then again I've always struggled with names in general, especially if I can't relate men to a person I've met.

I wonder if Breastfeeding will give me nice toned arms,.. That would be a nice benefit.

Back to feeding.


Jojobump1986 Thu 27-Jun-13 05:32:02

7.5 hours between feeds! Only 5 hours of sleep but still... One day I'll manage to get to bed right after feeding & won't wait up for DH to stop faffing & I'll get a decent sleep! He did have a big feed just before 10. Well, for him anyway! He generally fed for about 8-11 minutes at most feeds yesterday but at 9.45 he fed for 17 minutes straight without his usual popping on & off every 3 minutes when it all gets a bit too much & he chokes on it!

Loving the gender patterns. We're so well balanced! Symmetry makes me happy! grin

7.5 hrs Jojo, that's great!! I know what you mean when you havnt made the most of it but at the same time it's nice to have abit of awake you time aswell!
We had a reasonable night, 7,11:45,4:30,7:30 straight down for all but the 11:45 where she had a tiny but of wind that wouldn't shift till we got the gripe water, I may have jumped the gun with the colic worry as dd1 was horrendous at this point and dd2 seems better I think she's just prone to abit of wind but she's so strong it's comming up easier now! She's been pulling herself up since day 1 her head control is amazing so much faster then dd1!
My babies will self settle I'm like mummy hitler! wink I do always go in when she crys but never really cuddle till she's asleep I just wait till the wind etc comes up then put her down still awake, I always tried the same with dd1 and she never makes a fuss in bed even when ill or teathing and loves her bed!
Bring shock that must have been a shock I think I'd have been abit scared, luckily you know what to do, will they have to check you for more?
You and your lists lol I'd never think of that it is very strange though, I think I spend most of the time just thinking go to sleep, go to sleep over and over wink
Frus are yours and brings kids similar in age as obviously lib and lors are and me and Jojo both have a very similar age gap between dc

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 27-Jun-13 09:35:47

hmm I don't know kitty I think based on brings lovely pictures, my 2 are slightly older. Although dd2s behaviour and understanding can be that of a much much younger child.

Lorelei353 Thu 27-Jun-13 14:15:07

Love the pattern spotting! Read it in the wee hours and it made me smile.

So last night we got up when DS started mooching around, rather Han trying to let him go to 4 hours between feeds. He was definitely calmer going on the breast but he only feeds half-heartedly for about 10 mins and falls asleep. No amount of foot tickling etc wakes him so have to properly wake and try and get back on as I'm sure those tiny feeds aren't enough and he'll wake wanting more a hour later. So the 2am feed went on for about 2 hours. It's exhausting. Am I doing the right things? How are your night feeds going?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 27-Jun-13 14:57:09

lor I'm impressed you are getting 4 hours between feeds. We're averaging about 3. But are starting to settle into a pattern where he'll cluster feed in the evening and again around 7.30am. But we only had 2 feeds last night as I ignored the 11pm mooching/squeaking. So I think you may be doing the right thing with making him go longer lor because if I feed on every mooch, he feeds more often.

I've been expressing when i get full since last night, and so far he seems to be feeding less often, possibly because I don't stink of leaking milk, and as I'm not bursting I'm not offering the boob every time he squeaks.

Weighed at Breastfeeding group today and he's 10lb10 already! shock

Lorelei353 Thu 27-Jun-13 15:04:12

We're averaging about 3 now. We were just leaving him to mooch at night and going close to 4 but then he was really distressed and it wasn't worth it. Now responding to mooching and having evening cluster feeds. Expressing is interesting idea. He does just want feeding every time he gets near me.

Jojobump1986 Thu 27-Jun-13 15:09:58

Lor, different babies need to feed at different intervals & for different lengths! I'm a great believer of feeding on demand & DS2 has mostly settled himself into a 10-15mins every 3 hours routine. Sometimes it'll only be 8 mins every 2 hours & sometimes it'll be 20 mins every 4 hours. I figure I eat whenever I'm hungry & the amount varies depending on my appetite so I should let him do the same! grin You could try feeding him whenever he seems hungry & letting him decide when he's had enough just for a few days & see if he starts to settle into a routine. It does sound exhausting for you at the moment! If it helps, my mum says I would only ever feed for 4 minutes on each side at every feed & there was nothing she could do to convince me to take more. My DB, on the other hand, wouldn't stop feeding almost 24-7 & was putting on a pound a week! She started giving him solids at 10 weeks because she was so exhausted! Every baby is different!

I agree with jo with on-demand feeds. They are so tiny and the amount their stomachs can hold changes as they get older. Breastmilk also digests very quickly so it's common for them to feed frequently, especially if they've just done a poo. Unfortunately for us, we're designed to feed more through the night due to the high hormone levels and the higher quality of milk made at night. It is exhausting right now, but this is the stage that we should still be resting during the days and taking advantage of "resting while the baby rests" It's not fun being up at night and feeling dead tired, but it is a tiny phase that will pass. Trust your instincts, mama, you know your baby the best and what will work best for you both.

No, it seems since the bleeding has practically vanished again there shouldn't be anything else to worry about. Still a little shocked by the whole thing and just really fortunate that nothing serious came from it.

We have graduated from the bedroom to the living room today! Feels good to be able to see the front garden again.

Librarina Thu 27-Jun-13 20:51:36

My nipples smell of chocolate and my baby's bum smells yum! The Earth Mama Angel Baby products have arrived and are delish!

Yay for chocolate nips Lib! grin You will feel such a difference.

Agree with the others lor, 10 minutes seems a short time but its surprising how much can come out in that time I wouldn't kill myself trying to make him go longer as the benifit of him having an hour longer has gone with the length of time it takes to make him, I can remember when dd1 first started sleeping through we gave the expressed bottle at 7 before bed and one night when dh fed her she only had 2oz, I went mad at him saying well shell never sleep through tonight although he claimed he'd really tried everything to wake her and she wasn't interested and she still did! The only thing you could try is changing him nappy first so he is more awake to start with although that might make him more cranky I guess or I sometimes found if you put them on the floor for a minute it woke her up again, in sure it was a mw or someone who told me to try that and it did work for us

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 27-Jun-13 23:14:31

Didn't mean to come across sounding like I was saying don't feed on demand.
Like the others have said every child is different, and often what works for one doesn't work for another.

My issue at the moment is that ds doesn't seem to stop feeding, (and being sick because hes over full) so I'm holding back to see if I'm misreading the cues. As I've been going on the basis of "if in doubt- offer the breast" trouble is ds will take it whether he needs it or not.

DH has decided j is a mummy's boy, and only ever wants me.

Yay for progression bring

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 28-Jun-13 03:46:10

3:42 now thats an odd time

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 28-Jun-13 05:57:23

Anyone else up stupidly early?

I didn't get that from you frus, I'm abit the same although I presume wind first then offer the breast lol
Madame was a pain last night 11/2 hrs both feeds to get her to sleep and the last one 4-5:30 I thought well she'll atleast sleep till 7:30-8 ish...... No 6 f*#*in 30 angryangryangry

Lorelei353 Fri 28-Jun-13 12:46:05

Oh dear kitty. Not quite working to plan was she.

We had a tough morning. Sometimes DS will latch on immediately and feed like a dream bit more often he really fights latching on. If the milk is gushing out it's too ugh for him and he keeps coming off. If it's not gushing he doesn't want to work to get it out. Either way it can take 10 or 15 mins to get him to latch on and stay on. This morning was another level though. He would not go on, although he was gagging for it. We were at not an hour and a half, taking breaks to cool off, do nappies, have cuddles to calm him. Weird thing was whenever we thought he'd latched on, he'd take in loads of milk but refuse to swallow it and it would just fill up his mouth and then just come pouring out. I don't know why he wouldn't swallow it! sad

Oh lot that sounds really tough hmm I wouldn't know what to suggest, have you tried a bottle to see if the problem is the latch or perhaps with him, reflux, tongue tie or perhaps a dairy intolerance, bring is probably better equipped to give you some suggestions but it must be frustrating and upsetting for you thanks

Librarina Fri 28-Jun-13 16:06:19

I saw a Lactation Consultant this morning and gave my first ever feed without it hurting... You really do have to mash them on dont you! Anyway she's snoozing now and I'm already getting nervous about trying it in my own. Our routine is going to be, feed one side. Wind her & change her, offer the other side. I'm doing that when she stirs and rootles. The other tip we got is to feed skin to skin and to pin her arms out of the way with a muslin so she doesn't thrash so much.

In other news, Johnsons Babywipes gave her a red bum so we are back on the plain water wipes.

We are having a lazy afternoon lying on a chaise and watching the raindrops!

Jojobump1986 Fri 28-Jun-13 16:31:40

I've just made some wipes! I'm very excited about them & am about to go use them for the first time! I used this website & I bought some Simple baby all-in-one wash to go in them. They smell of chamomile! grin

I have a headache & haven't napped but I have to go get DS1 up quickly because DS2 is disturbing & will want feeding any moment. I don't wanna. <stamps feet> I want to go crawl into my bed & snooze, not have one child demanding books be read repeatedly while the other hangs off my nipple & sucks me dry for the umpteenth time. DH is going to be later than usual tonight which really isn't making me want to get the kids up - the sooner I get them up the longer I have to entertain them both by myself! Selfish, bad parent moment...!

Librarina Fri 28-Jun-13 17:05:12

Ooh, I'm going to try that when we've used up this delivery of Water Wipes which I love but are very expensive.

My baby has slept for nearly 4 hours after her epic feed this morning. Should I wake her up to feed her again? I'm scared she won't sleep tonight if she sleeps all day today and I want to practise our new latch!

Having babies is nerve wracking indeed and that's only made harder by other children. Can you park DS1 in front of CBeebies as a temporary babysitter just so you can do what you need to. Not forever but it might give you a little head solace.

Lorelei353 Fri 28-Jun-13 18:05:39

So since this morning's dramas we've had two blissful calm feeds - and without the pillow. A friend who had an over supply issue with one of hers told me that her lactation consultant told her to lie back as much as possible to stop ds getting overwhelmed by milk at first. Seems to have helped grin

lib I don't let ds go longer than 4 hours as I find he's too cranky and hungry when he wakes up and then I struggle to get him on the breast.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 28-Jun-13 19:34:18

Evening all <waves sleepily>
DH after working all day has gone back in to do the evening shift he rarely works evenings so the DVDs have been bathed and put to bed by 6.30. grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 28-Jun-13 19:35:06

That would be the dds not the DVDs . Not sure it's advisable to bath DVDs? confused

Librarina Fri 28-Jun-13 21:07:44

I don't think DVDs work any more if you bath them. I am rubbish at bathing my baby so I've given up using the baby bath and just run the big bath and get in with her and float her on my knees, she seems to like it better and I feel like she's safer.

She is currently screaming, despite having had a big feed, a nice clean bum and no apparent wind, babies are confusing.

I seriously started laughing when I saw that you bathed and put your DVDs to bed. Lol! I love when the kids go to bed early. You feel like you got parenting down. It seems the boys are wild crazy monsters no matter what time we put them to bed and they don't settle until 9:30 (which is infuriating b/c they're super crabby in the morning).

Glad it's getting for both of you Lib and Lor!!

Little miss pulled a 4-hr stint last night and it felt amazing except for the porn boobs I woke up with

Maybe N is working out some lower wind, Lib?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 28-Jun-13 22:42:52

That's the way I do it lib I take him in with me and support his head and he just floats there. He likes his ears underwater too, that really calms him.

My well meaned plans went to seed bring dd1 got up and pestered me, so I let her watch Les Mis with me until her breathing got on my nerves (she holds her breath. It started deliberately, but now I don't think she's even aware she's doing it, and I have to keep telling her to breathe).

Then dd2 got up, emptied all her toy baskets out all over the bedroom floor, then wee-d on the bathroom floor, so I ended up bring her downstairs, where she eventually fell asleep at 9.30 on the back of the chair. like a cat, with an arm and a leg hanging of the edge

But at least ds has been asleep for the past hour, (after cluster feeding since 5!) so sneaking in a bath to try and get rid of the smell of milk and baby sick.

Impressive 4hr stint bring I bet it felt wonderful. I'm so jealous.

Librarina Fri 28-Jun-13 22:56:50

Talk to me about wind guys. The Lact Cons I saw today said you don't need to pat a baby, just hold them vertical and press them close to you. But if you don't get the wind out of N she cries.

But if you leave it too long to put her down, after a feed she doesn't go to sleep!

So what to do?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 28-Jun-13 23:07:34

I think its all down to the individual child, and what works best for them.
J won't bring his up without patting/rubbing, if I leave him he's sick. well more sick

Yeah, same with M. I have to pat and rub her back after every feed or she gets really fussy and will start throwing up (out of her nose, the poor thing!) and it's just really dramatic. A few pats and rubs and she lets out a couple of impressive belches and then she'll crash on my shoulder. If it's sleep for the night, I swaddle M before our last feed before I start getting ready for bed and I think she's starting to get it that it's time for it to be dark and to sleep after the feed I'll most likely be eating those words in a few days/weeks then burp then bed in her moses basket.

Ahhhhhhh, yes, Frus that sounds a bit more like the typical night at our house. Esp the wee on the bathroom floor, toys and books all over the floor, jumping on the bed, and climbing on the shelving. ENJOY that bath!!

Agree Lib that every child responds differently to wind but for easy wind, that is a big burp that's easy up I find just lifting them upright on your knee with hand under arms and rubbing back or moving the whole baby in a circular movement which manipulates her belly works, for stubborn wind put them right over your shoulder, further then you'd think so belly is massaged by your shoulder rubbing her back
You can tell its wind lib if she's bringing her knees up it thrashing and pulling from you even when you pick her up
We were on track for a great night, both asleep for 7, dd2 slept pAst her usual 11-midnight feed and dd1 just lost her teddy in covers ( this is her comfort/ obsessive love)crying and has now woken dd2confused really hoping this I'd the only feed but suspecting ill be woken about 5 ish now

Bring I think kids respond really quickly to a routine so will definatly understand its time for a different kind of sleep, I do similar in that the last feed if the day is done with subdued light ( quite dark) and from that point until morning i don't put the light on again ( i use a night light to change s bum or just open the door a crack) or talk to her, morning comes with wide open curtains and lots of smiles and talk, particullaly hard to pull out at 6 lol

Oh and grin at bathing DVDs, so funny
Lib baby baths are rubbish your method sounds lovely, we use a baby bath seat which are fab too, they go in the big bath and you don't need to hold them at all which I definatly need with 2 of them in the bath on my own, we got ours for 50p at the car boot, I always see people selling them there

Can you tell dd2 isn't asleep yet

Lorelei353 Sat 29-Jun-13 02:38:15

We have s Bath seat too. ds loves it and it leaves us hands free to bathe him a bit.

We haven't really got a night routine going yet. We also haven't got him to settle in the crib. He still needs holding to go to sleep but will sleep well once he's there.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 29-Jun-13 03:04:07

My nighttime routine .. Pah who am I kidding.. My entire life is dictated the mood swings and needed containment of s 5yo.

I think I've got blocked ducts again. An area on my left is tore to touch. And a pach in my right feels like I've been repeatedly punched.

Ouch frus! Massage, moist heat, and weird feeding positions to try to drain that duct. Maybe consider start taking soy or sunflower lecithin to help prevent it again in the future? I have to say that it's been working wonders already and the lumpy feeling in the one side has totally gone away.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 29-Jun-13 08:03:12

Hmm DH got up with dcs,--because in knackered and have sore bo how long do I give him before he looses the plot.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 29-Jun-13 08:10:08

grin safe to say my last post made little sense.
in=i'm Bo=boobs

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 29-Jun-13 08:38:13

sad headache, achy joints, feel terrible, and the telltale blotchy patch beginning to appear.. Stuffing mastitis. sad

Will be hunting down sunflower lecithin today and a cabbage.

Oh frus hmm it's one of my worst fears with bf, does it hurt alot?
Why does it come about, you seem to have a great feeder, I'm worried about supply, I know I shouldn't be and dd seems to be gaining 1lb every 2 weeks but they never go to that full feeling even at night after 5 hrs break, I only ever seem to be able to express about 4oz, although dd quite often has less, last night she only took 3 from the bottle before pushing it out and falling asleep, it seems such a rediculously small amount when you see babies on formula having a full bottle

Oh and dd2 decided she was going to have her two feeds and woke at 3:30, only an hour after shed been asleep and 30 mins for me confused no amount of persuasion would convince her she wasn't hungry even after she's had a great feed at 1:30, you'd have thought her throat was cut from her reaction! The only positive was she then slept til 8
Dh was in the spare room last night for a good night ( just required to look after dd1 which is usually jusr her waking at 7ish or if she looses her teddy to just go in and find it then walk out again)and yet missed dd1 wakening up then waking dd2 and also missed her waking this morning at 7:30, needless to say I'm not impressed that I was looking after both of them all night on my ownangry

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 29-Jun-13 11:03:57

The one on my right is right where he puts his fist when he's feeding. The left is purely poor latch. It does hurt as such (usually because I pick up on it early enough) its just the flu-y symptoms that drain me.
It can be caused my many things, interrupted feeds is probably my main cause.

Will be back to talk after I've been shopping for party food. Not ignoring your post kitty

Librarina Sat 29-Jun-13 13:16:56

My MIL is visiting with DH's brother and my 2 nephews, 8 and 11. They didn't take their shoes off when they came in and now she's making them all sandwiches while I feed Baby upstairs and noones offered me any. DH is playing Xbox with the boys and BIL is trying to give us Sky on our laptop (which I don't even want). Am I a horrid person to be feeling a bit grumpy and neglected, I thought I was supposed to be the special one!!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 29-Jun-13 14:22:08

I would be fuming lib they would be taking the p acting like that even if you didn't have a newborn. I'm fuming for you.

kitty 4oz is a lot to express, I've only managed 3oz and ds only takes 1 1/5 max from the bottle. At 1lb every 2 weeks I wouldn't be worried about supply, that's a great gain. Ds only puts on do much cause he's a gready boobie monster. I've not known anything like it. My dds certainly didn't put on do much so quickly.
Formula fed babies always appear to drink more and put on weight quicker, but by 2 they're all the same.

4 oz is a huge amt to express!! Please don't let this put a dent in your breastfeeding confidence as many women don't express half as much as their babies take in. There is a totally different sucking mechanism involved when babies feed vs a machine using a vacuum. Having soft breasts is also a sign that your body has figured it out and you still make milk on-demand as your baby nurses. If she was always seeming to be frantic at the breast, was constantly wanting to nurse, wasn't having wet and poopy nappies, seemed lethargic and dehydrated, those would all be signs that she's not getting enough milk.....and it sounds like that's definitely not the case! If you feel like you want to boost the amount that you make, add an extra session of expressing milk after she's already fed. It won't seem like a lot, maybe an extra oz on each side, but expressing out the remaining amount of milk in your breast will signal for them to make more as it's a supply and demand system. It'll take aprox one-two days for your body to react to that extra demand.

Oh frus that's not good at all. Rest up, I hope you feel better soon! Do you think you'll go get anti-b's again? I've heard of women using grated raw potato poultices on the affected areas and having them work really well too.

Lib I would be so irritated if that was happening in my house!!! Om, hello! You're a rockstar who gave birth to another human and you're not even getting a freak'n sandwich for your efforts. Not cool.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 29-Jun-13 15:41:35

bring what do you think about a slippery elm poultice? That should cool it.
I was given a 2wk supply of abs, and told to take for 10days, so I have enough left to start them before I get to drs.
However if there is anything I can do to deal with it and try to prevent it coming back, that's got to be better than constant abs.

I couldn't find the 2 you suggested. hmm would aconite help with the flu-y symptoms, can I take that?

Thanks frus, that's reasurring, dd1 had almost exactly the same weight gain and she started on the 9th line and was just above the 50th by 1, she's on the 93rd now little piggy although I find it strange as its nothing to do with height and there's a good bit of difference with them at this age!
I always felt I was under supplying for her too but there must be something in them as they both went 3/4 hrs between feeds, I love breast feeding but at the same time it's frustrating that you have to do all the night feeds and that ff babies tend to go through the night quicker, still next week when dh is back at work I'd do them all anyway and it's easier then going downstairs to faf with bottles so swings and roundabouts I surpose
Lib they should be waiting on you hand and foot, you have created life, you are god wink

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 29-Jun-13 15:58:07

Ds is just above the 50th centile, but I think he should be corrected to 3wks early, which puts him on the 98th which ties in with his weight gains.

The 98th lol little piggy grin
The health visitor made me worry about dd1 going to the 93rd but you've seen her pic and she doesn't look that big does she?
I've cut down giving her as much treats and more fruit but she does love eating like her mum

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 29-Jun-13 17:08:15

No kitty not big; gorgeous. My dd1 was all skin and bone, and still is, I thought I was going to break her.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 29-Jun-13 18:43:29

Just went to burp ds mid feed, and he sneezed milk all per my face. Yummy. <rolls eyes>
Eeew and now the nappy is being filled. [grimice]

I had baby milky sick all down my cleavage earlier lol oh the glamour!!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 29-Jun-13 20:27:18

Nice kitty motherhood is so sexy and glamorous

Yeah frus slippery elm might work too. The lecithin may be something you'll have to order online or find in a natural food store. You need to take 3 pills of 1200mg 3x per day for the first 2 weeks, then you can slowly reduce to 1 pill 3x per day as a maintenance dose. I'm afraid I don't know much about aconite. Even just taking some ibuprofen could help reduce the aches and the fever.

Mmmm baby sick down the cleavage is just great stuff.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 30-Jun-13 07:56:05

Oh my goodness I ache so much.

Librarina Sun 30-Jun-13 11:38:31

Hi, thanks for letting me winge. Turns out it was completely unnecessary. MIL had made me a big plate of sandwiches, she just didn't want to disturb me feeding to bring me them (I really wouldn't have minded!) and DH was entertaining the boys so that I could feed in peace. Anyway, after they left he carried N in the sling for a couple of hours so I could have a nap and I woke up much less grouchy!

I think we are slowly getting a pattern. Feed at 8, 10, 12, 4 and 8 again. We go t bed at 8, I do the 10 and 12pm feeds then DH takes her in the sling between 4 and 8 so I get some sleep without having half an ear open for her stirring. Those timings are vague, they could be an hour either way. It takes about an hour to feed, wind, rock her to sleep then transfer to the bednest. Now we are better at feeding, I need to help her settle and not just sleep on me or being rocked. All tips welcome!!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 30-Jun-13 14:03:30

Oh my goodness, i am all partied out, I think I've survived. Dd2 has some lovely friends, and their mums were lovely, ds was good as gold. (And had loads of cuddles).

Librarina Sun 30-Jun-13 15:52:55

Sounds fun! Well done xxx

I'm feeding lying down....too tired to sit up!

M poo'd alllllll over my bed this morning. It was a silent runner as I reached for her next nappy (it even ran off the changing pad!). Urgh. Bedding in the wash for the second time in less than a week....

Dh and boys are at the zoo for the morning. I went with them yesterday and I think I over-did it. Bleeding has come back with a vengeance after completely stopping which midwives would say is a sign to lay-low again so we are cuddling on the couch in peace and quiet.

That's awesome that you guys have a little schedule going Lib. M is still all over the place in terms of when she wakes up. She slept for 4 hrs again last night and then wouldn't settle unless she was in bed with me. She's been really sleepy in the last day or so, so I'm thinking she's working on a growth spurt and we'll have a fussy day or so as she tries to increase milk intake sucks me dry.

Maybe swaddling to help her settle?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 30-Jun-13 18:12:50

Ugh, DH has come home from work in a stroppy mood again. Tried to take over the tv when I had dd2 calmly sat down watching a film rare in itself so I sent him to bed like an over tired child. I've got no sympathy for his hard-done-by strops. Work is nothing compared to single-parenting my dcs for a day. And he doesn't do any nightshifts with ds, and at the moment is doing nothing around the house except for occasionally thinking he's bein helpful by putting a wash load of his clothes in the machine. <grumble grumble> so I've gone for a lazy walk with ds and the dog in the sun.

Flippin headache again. Seriously guys, I can't possibly drink anymore water so I don't understand why they keep coming. Owie.

Frus sounds like you've had a crazy busy day with a grumpy hubby. I'm sorry sad. That does not sound like a fun thing to deal with.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 01-Jul-13 03:47:01

Need more sleep bring? Or hormones? Headaches are a nightmare when you don't know what causing them.

At least grumpy h wasn't around to grump over dds party.

I've woken up enough times to keep drinking. But ds is only on his 1st feed. I shouldn't grumble but leaky porn boobs are not the way to go. I'm so not used to easy sleeping babies. I almost wok him up to feed him an hour ago, but put him back in his bed, was in with me and he stayed asleep.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 01-Jul-13 08:02:42

Omg does this boy sleep when he wants to. I've definitely been spoilt by him. And I'm still totally loved-up over him.

Ahhh sleep. Funny your post mentions it, I'm fuming and just sat in bed crying with a baby attached to my boob!
Dh is a wanker, in the last 4 nights he's spent 3 in the spare room, yesterday I had them both til midnight out do he could go what he wanted, he hasn't once said thanks and I'm absolutely knackered, if dd wakes at 5:30 then that's it got the day for me, I've had one nap in 6 wks!
Anyway dd was awake from 11:45 -2:30 pretty much last night then woke at 5:40, I got her to sleep at 8 then said to dh that I wanted to try and grab some sleep as I'm just so so tired, usually ofcourse at this time dd would sleep til 10/11 but no she woke at 9 so I've had less then an hour and dh downstairs has just completely ignored her crying on the monitor so I've had to get up again, why couldn't he even try to help or let me sleep confusedhmmI won't be able to again now as I find it hard enough to switch off anyway I have to be absolutely desperate before I do it!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 01-Jul-13 10:41:31

I can't offer any advise kitty but ((((hugs)))) <offers strong coffee and an energy drink>

Thanks frus, I'm abit calmer but still mad with him, he's not said sorry!
Oh and that post was slightly wrong, I didn't have them both til midnight, I ment midday, so he had all morning to enjoy ( no doubt constructively --playing Xbox--)

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 01-Jul-13 11:48:50

Hahahaha <hysterical laughter> it's a poo massacre! blush

TMI alert! You have been warned. grin

Picture the scene if you dare... Asda baby change room, about 3x5metre square. change unit is on the same unit as sink, and a huge mirror behind.
undid ds nappy and grabbed a wipe just as ds exploded. He managed to shoot bright yellow poo at least 2 metres! such skill the side, the table, the sink and tap were hit, as was the wall and mirror, and the floor. As well as the pack of wipes and the clean nappy.
If it was red it would look like a crime scene worthy of a horror movie.

Then as I was trying to clean ds up, he wee-d all over himself.

And ds just lies there and gurgles happily as I attempt to cover my tracks and dispose of the evidence.

If you dont laugh you'd cry.

Librarina Mon 01-Jul-13 12:28:07

Thanks for that TMI Frus, cheered me up a treat.

What do you do when it's too hard? You can't give them back??
I'm cross with DH, I said I was hungry over an hour ago and he's just come up to see what I want for lunch. I don't bloody care, i just want him to sort it out and feed it to me. Little baby screams go right through me. It still hurts when I feed but cos it's less sore than it was it feels like this is as good as its going to get, and I have to out up with this for the next year! I hate that I don't always know what's wrong with her, this time it was a wet nappy and I didn't pick up on it for ages, DH tried to sing her but it was too tight so she hated it, so she screamed and he was so upset, but his reaction to being upset is to storm off, I really just want him to focus on me and her and not keep checking Facebook or Wimbledon or Tour de France or Athketics, or moaned that he's not been able to play his game at all for 3 weeks.

And the worst thing is, he's actually really good and helpful, he adores our baby and he loves me so much, so I feel horrid for moaning, I just can't be so tired forever!

Gosh I'm so sorry to hear everyone is having a hard time at the moment! What is it with MEN? (and little boys who poo and pee on everything!?) Seriously Frus best story to wake up to! You poor thing!

Kitty that just sounds infuriating. I'm shocked at the total lack of help! shock. Hello Mr. they're your kids too!!

Lib when things feel like they are too hard, walk out of the room. Even if she's crying her little lungs out if she's in a safe place like her bed, walk out of the house (or where ever you can't hear the crying) and take a few deep breaths. She will be absolutely fine for a few minutes of crying and you will feel better for just taking yourself out of the situation and focusing on your breath. Men are not programmed like we are and they don't have that mechanism to stick it out when things get really hard (esp with babies!!). Maybe this is something you should just sit down and talk out with him? Even if you just say "I feel really really tired. My boobs hurt. I feel like <insert whatever else is on your mind>.... I appreciate all of the help, I love you, can we try doing <xyz> for a while to see if it makes a difference?" When you're exhausted and sore and you've got a baby who literally drains you and your partner isn't helping and is annoying you it's SO easy to totally explode and start fighting with each other. Gotta go back to the basics in that you are both on the same team, you both have had little sleep, you both are trying to figure out how to deal with a little tiny human, and you both need each other, and you both have to speak whats going on in your minds. I promise this is such a short phase and you will get through it even though it seems miles long and never ending.

Just pondering.... when you're done feeding, do your nipples blanche white? Do they hurt when they touch air or get cold? Does it hurt through the entire feed or only just when she latches?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 01-Jul-13 14:14:18

Shove them back in lib? <unhelpful>

I'll let you into a secret lib <looks around to check noone is listening> nobody really knows what they're doing. until they speak it is pure guess work, and sometimes even when they can speak.
My plan to pretend I know what ds is crying for is ..
Step 1- Feed (if he refuses then move onto) winding, repeat until ds stops crying.
Step 2- If step one doesnt work put ds down somewhere safe and leave for 5 minutes to de-stress.
Step 3 - repeat steps 1 and 2
Nappies changed when either ds stinks, farts are heard or felt, or nappy feels full (also known as bulging bum)

I can't assist or advise with DH/Ps as they're all different. I let mine fend for himself and not expect anything. he's honestly not always useless

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 01-Jul-13 14:19:51

Sorry for your tmi wake-up bring grin I'd been up about 10hours at that point but on the plus side I probably would have been crying and rocking if it had happened at home.

Hahaha Frus laying in the corner in the fetal position "Make it stop!" I totally would have a temper tantrum if I had to clean poo off the walls at home. I cried when I had to change my bedding again yesterday. A king-size bed is not easy to change.

Frus is totally right. We are just guessing most all of the time. Even the most seasoned mum thinks it would be easier to shove 'em back in when the going gets tough sometimes.

Ok, here's my moan (I couldn't seem like the smug one with the perfect partner): We're going on 2 weeks now and dh has been so incredibly sweet and helpful for the first 8 days Now he's managed to steal my laptop whenever he thinks I'm done with it as soon as I get up to pee or have to feed the baby and is constantly watching Sopranos on it after busting the ipad by getting a bottle of water spilled all over it (it wasn't even the kids!). This morning is ridiculous because he's still here! It's like get your a** to work dude! Staying up until 3 am watching Sopranos and falling asleep with the computer in our bed DOES NOT constitute as staying up all night with a baby (who slept for 3 hr stretches, btw, and I think I got more sleep than he did) where he can come back from dropping off the kids at preschool and get back in bed! Hello! I'm the one who just pushed a kid out of my body, not him. Get outta here please!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 01-Jul-13 16:18:29

Are you like me bring in that its often easier when they're at work rather than being at home getting in the way and being annoying being helpful?

Librarina Mon 01-Jul-13 16:37:42

I'm wondering if it'll actually be easier when DH gets back to work as N and I will get a routine and I'll be better at sleeping when she sleeps. Its no wonder we are a bit ragged with each other, we've never spent 3 weeks together, our honeymoon was 15 days and by the end of that we were picking up hitchhiker so we had some one else to talk to.

Back to my nipples. They're not white, just a bit more pink than usual at the end of the feed. I'm fairly certain my latch is too shallow but she is reluctant to open her mouth wide and I'm scared to take her off to correct her as that might mean another sore latch on.

Breastfeeding group tomorrow, which is just peer support, but at least is support right!

As for the screaming, you're right, leaving the room does help. I've just had a nap and am going to grab a quick shower while DH winds her, so it al feels better now for the time being.

Oh absolutely!

grin At frus asda story, is it wrong that I'd prefer it to be there then at home, I couldn't bear it on my wall, or god forbid the cream carpet shock
( I would clean it up btw wink)
Being my dh is the same, he has been good with dd1 but as I've let him have the last few nights he's just stayed up later watching tv and if I say I havnt slept well he says he hasn't either! ( he's got the same cough we all have) I find it easier on my iwn at night though as if its his turn he just grumbles swears and wakes me anyway if she doesn't feed wind and go down in less then 20 mins!
I've just eaten 3 lion bars, I blame him!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 01-Jul-13 18:13:49

lib ds has a shallow latch, unless he is calm, I put him on anyhow to get his frantic "feed me now" out of the way, then when he's calmer I take him off and try again. Lining his nose up with the nipple, and his chin and bottom lip against my breast, I hold him there, and using my finger I push down on the areola on the opposite side to the chin, to pull the nipple just out of his reach. Then when he open his mouth to try and get it, I use my finger to pop the nipple into his mouth, which gets it right up at the top of his mouth, And his nose is clear. Then I hold him there with my hand in the small of his back rather than the back of his head/neck area.
It's fiddly, messy, and takes practice. But the idea is that it trains them to open their mouth that tiny bit wider.
We've been trying it for a few weeks and he's definitely getting more latches painless, than the painful ones.

I had that fear with dd2 (dd1 went on nursing strike when I took her off for biting) so I put up with deep shooting pains with dd2 (turned out to be thrush in my ducts) and I dreaded feeds, which made me tense up, which in turn made it hurt more. But once it was sorted things were a lot easier.
if you have a way of relaxing you may find it easier. It's early days and you're both learning. Take things slowly.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 01-Jul-13 19:02:03

<rant rant rant>
angry angry angry
<plans on where to bury the body>

Oh dear Frus afraid to ask.... <gently, from a distance> everything ok?

Midwife popped in. I love her. She's like a mum and friend and midwife all wrapped into one spectacular knowledgable woman that I dream of one day learning from and working with. But I digress, she weighed M for her 2 week visit and she's gained a full pound since birth! M also has a rash/raw area around her poor bum and we're thinking that she's reacting to something in my diet. So bummed that I'm probably going to have to cut out dairy again with this kiddo. Can't think of anything else, but going to search Dr. Google about the possibility of strawberries b/c those have been heavenly lately (may have been gorging on them a little grin).

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 01-Jul-13 23:39:26

Yeah bring I'm okay I went grocery shopping with ds to calm down. grin

DH was doing his woe is me mountain out of a molehill act over mowing the lawn. And making every tiny problem into a big deal.
And the straw that broke this camels back was on my announcing I was going to get groceries, "oh well I can't do the garden now because I'll have to watch the kids.. Etc Moan moan" <-- that was the point I stopped listening. And walked out fuming to myself about how he expects me to do it all. I was taking ds with me, and one dd was in bed. He only had to watch 1 of them.

So I went to the supermarket in the next town, and took my time. I even bought ds a play gym,

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 01-Jul-13 23:43:54

It's good that you have a lovely knowledgeable midwife bring
A lb already! Wow.
I hope dds rash goes soon,

Librarina Tue 02-Jul-13 03:11:36

Guess who has just had 4 and a half hours sleep?
I can cope with anything!

Just been looking at photos of N as a newborn. She's so different already. I miss her Brand New Baby smell!

Awh man! And just when I was hoping the dh drama would fizzle out for the day....Mine still (going on 2 weeks here) hasn't mowed our lawn either.

Hooray!!!! Party for Lib! It's amazing how quickly they change and grow isn't it?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 02-Jul-13 04:12:55

bring I'll see your 2 weeks and raise you 7+ (can you tell why I'm angry with him) its a meadow out there.

Fab sleeping lib! Isn't it amazing how much they change in a tiny a mouth of time.

Ds is wide awake, cooing, wriggling, making eyes at me and smiling. I shouldn't really encourage play at 4am, but he's all mine at night. And he's smiling at me, I can't resist that.

I have cramps that feel oddly like period cramps. I really shouldn't have them back yet.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 02-Jul-13 07:31:33

Oh and anyone else having vivid dreams?
I had a nightmare that someone stole my double buggy When I left it in a buggy store room, to go to a beach down in a tiny lift. I don't know why there was a lift, or the beach and sea was indoors. But I woke up in a depressed panic, until I realised it couldn't possibly be real.

shock Ooooooo, yeah that's bad! Yikes, the bugs must be horrible for you!

Yes to the vivid dreams. I think it's just b/c we keep getting woken up during REM sessions (at least it feels that way to me).

Day two of no dairy. Of course the only things I want to eat are: ANY type of cheese (especially melted and in Italian food), ice cream (or a chocolate malt or a rootbeer float), oreos with a glass of milk, caprese salad.....oh this is going to be tough.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 02-Jul-13 17:53:27

No bugs bring maybe the odd grasshopper, but they're harmless. Do you get monster bugs?
I did manage to do half the garden before it started raining.

Must be a Minnesota thing then. The amt of flies, mozzies and beetles hanging around our house is unreal with the long grass. Grosssssss

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 02-Jul-13 18:49:12

Eew, mossies lay eggs in water, so if you have a pond or river that will attact them.

Jojobump1986 Tue 02-Jul-13 20:28:10

WIBU to smash a few things? Just a plate or 2 lobbed against the wall would make me feel better I'm sure...!

DS1 doesn't seem capable of eating without making a constant monotoned mmmm noise. It makes me irrationally angry.

DH presented me with a baked potato for dinner (that I cooked, he served up) while I was having to hold DS2 to stop him screaming. I've told him repeatedly that if DS2 is being fussy then I need food in bitesize pieces so we can eat as a family. How am I supposed to eat a baked potato one-handed?!

I'm pretty sure that DH has depression. He's been worrying about various non-issues to the extent that he's not sleeping & has mentioned feeling hopeless. He also complains that he feels like he's working much slower than everyone else. He's now agreed that he might be depressed but doesn't want to make it a big deal by going to the GP because he's worried he'll dwell on it more. I've been trying to support him but it's really difficult when I've had both DSs grizzling at me while I'm trying to cook dinner & then he comes home & agrees to serve out the food but moves at a snail's pace as if he's got all the time in the world. I told him he needed to hurry up & he started whining about having had a hard day. As if I haven't! At least he gets to leave the office. My job is 24-7 & I don't even get toilet breaks by myself half the time!

I'm also fed up of breastfeeding. I've never found it particularly enjoyable tbh. Other people talk about it helping them bond with the baby, I just find it frustrating! blush I think it's the fact that it's entirely my responsibility that freaks me out! I'd rather express & bottle feed because it at least gives me the option of passing him to DH. I don't though - I like bottle feeding him! hmm I would express all the time if it weren't for all the extra washing up!

I hate that I almost feel resentful of DH getting depression now. I know he didn't choose for it to happen but I'm trying so hard to look after my own mental health & him having issues means I'm trying to do more than I would normally so I'm not getting the time to relax which is usually necessary to keep me sane. I try to either have a nap or get to bed early if I don't manage a decent nap in the afternoon but I can't nap at the moment because one of the DC seems to need me constantly & I can't get to bed early because I'm trying to give DH time to chill when he gets home. I don't feel like I can tell him I need me-time though because he's spent years supporting me & I feel like it's my turn to look after him now!

Ha, yes, we live across the street from a lake (but I swear it's so much worse with long grass) <ok, end of long grass rant>

Wow Jo sounds like you have so much on your plate right now! Taking care of 3 boys it seems like. He should def go see a specialist. It's not fair for you to take on that burden b/c depression affects everyone around the person who is suffering from it.

totally feeling like the all-you-can-eat buffet today. hmm

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 03-Jul-13 06:59:50

bring that is the perfect discription of a growth spurt.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 03-Jul-13 08:16:14

Oh jojo I do hope you can convince DH to go to the doctors and get the help he needs, so you can get the support from him that you need.

Librarina Wed 03-Jul-13 09:31:27

Oh heck JoJo, the last thing you need on top of a newborn is a poorly DH who is unable to give you the support you need. My DH is prone to mental health problems from time to time and it is so hard to give him the support he needs especially if I'm feeling stressed myself.

I really think he should make a 'big issue' of it and go to the Docs, it is a big issue if its affecting everyone in your families ability to cope.

We are ok-ish here, I'm going to see the lovely retired Lactation Consultant again who I saw last week again as my nipples are still so very sore, and now my boobs have decided to join in the party being hard and sore even straight after feeding. I'm yay close to either getting nipple shields, or expressing and bottle feeding or just sacking it all off completely and giving her a bottle of formula. The only thing that's keeping me going with the Breastfeeding is the fact that I don't have any nipple shields and can't get to the big pharmacy, we don't have a pump and i csnt get hold of my Community Midwife to borrow one, and we haven't got any formula. If we had it in the house I would have given up by now. And the funny thing is, we had a really good night last night. I'm just fed up of feeng ragged and sore.

Oh dear we are all in the new baby blues I think where dh's do nothing but piss us off and we are crabby and tired
Jojo I can't imagine how shit it must be for you with the added pressure of dh depression on top, It's not really fair of him to say he doesn't want to see anyone as it leaves it to you to try and deal with it and the added pressure, if he would talk to a gp I'm sure they will give him alot of options and won't throw him straight onto pills etc, he might find it helps to talk?
If bf isn't working/enjoyable for you you shouldn't feel the pressure to continue, if you find it more enjoyable to bottle feed then that would be better for your bonding, I know we all have it drummed into is that bf is best but its got to be right for you aswell, I think it's the bloody pesky mothers guilt that stops is doing what we think is right sometimes - I felt the same way a bought putting dd2 on her tummy to sleep but really she will not sleep on her back and crys and crys ( is that better for her really)
Lor- it's good your getting support, bf isn't easy in the beginning and you can feel physically and emotionally drained, good your seeing the consultant, I really think it would be a good idea to either try shields or express before giving up, a couple of days off and your nipples might feel right as rain? Even a few hours might make a difference, hope she can suggest some tips for you
I feel much better today, went out last night for a meal with friend ( dh didn't say anything but could see the panic in his eyes) got dolled up in a dress you couldn't access boobs in ( liberating!) and had 2 blissful child free hours grin

Lorelei353 Wed 03-Jul-13 15:45:26

jojo that sounds so tough. I'm finding it hard enough keeping myself going and feeling bad if I disturb dh too much at night without adding depression in. Hope he gets some help and levels out a bit.

ds had a bit of a rubbish night due to being quite snuffly. He's no real trouble breathing but it's really annoying him and making him snort all night. I just got some saline drops in the chemist that I'm told will help?

Lor You need THIS. Works WONDERS for tiny stuffy noses.

LIb nipple shields would be a good route to try if she's just not latching correctly (which is what it sounds like if you're still feeling full after a feeding). Have you tried hand-expressing? Some women (me included) find that they can get more milk out through hand expressing than with using a pump. Just find an empty jar or glass and go for it. It should help relieve some of the pressure you're feeling and soften up the areolas for easier latching. This video makes me laugh because there are like 3 people's hands on her boob! (hopefully it works in the UK for you to see it, or you can just google "hand expression" for other videos).

That sounds so fun Kitty! Good for you!!

Finally succumb to the pacifier this morning. I couldn't get 5 minutes to make breakfast, let alone EAT IT. Now she's very happily sleeping on her tummy with a dummy in place. Definitely not going to win safe mother of the morning award grin.

Lorelei353 Wed 03-Jul-13 17:29:05

ooh we have that bring but haven't used it yet. Been a bit scared of it. Will give it a go tonight.

I have used a pacifier on a few occasions too bring, not for her to go to sleep but sometimes to calm her if she's got herself worked up with trapped wind etc, sometimes you just need to make life a little easier on yourself
And sorry post before to lib not lorblush

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 03-Jul-13 20:21:40

This is my first Dc that won't take a dummy. Dd1 had one by 6 weeks as she was a comfort sucker and dribbled mill straight out onto me. Dd2 had one before the 1st week was out.
This little fella isn't having any of it. And I've tried all the shapes (newborn, orthodontic and cherry). Seems if its not me he's not sucking it.

And I've discovered that he likes to go for a stroll in the pram in the evening to go to sleep. Luckily I have the dog who always needs an evening walk, any excuse to avoid looking like an idiot who's fallen for the rod-for-your-own-back method but at least he'll be asleep for the next 3+ hours.

Librarina Wed 03-Jul-13 23:23:40

Think we might have to go for a drive, she's cried for an hour now, only feeding will stop her and my nipples are ragged.

Frus my dd1 wouldn't have one either, she actually used to look at me like I was trying to trick her, "what's this crap, there's nothing coming out of it!" Dd2 seems to like sucking but it only lasts 20seconds to a few minutes and I don't have the will to keep putting it back in, It's a good thing long term though if they don't want it, something less to worry about trying to wean them off or rely on ( that said dd1 has a teddy that goes everywhere god forbid we loose it and it is very manky despite being washed every few days #unconditionallove)

Oh and this littles ones dislike of being on her back extends to pram and car seat, she's the first child I know who will not sleep while being pushes and wakes as soon as you put her in! She spent all afternoon awake yesterday because we were out and about, I think she's going to be a cot or chest sleeper and that's all hmm not great if you like going out

#1 LOVED his dummy, it took until he was 3 (and a disgusting bout of stomach bug where he puked on the last one) to finally get rid of them. #2 is still a thumb-sucker. I don't think M is too keen on it. She'll take it for a few minutes but I should just put the thing away for fear of having to deal with the consequences further on down the road! M also will not be on her back and wakes as soon as she's put in her moses basket, carseat, or stroller. She took her first real 2 hr nap without me holding her this morning by sleeping on her tummy (wow that was a nice break). I've been ending up taking her in bed with me the last few nights with her sleeping on my chest just in order to get more than an hour of sleep.

Lib I'm so sorry things are hard and sore for you right now. I'm sending hugs and encouragement across the pond to you!

Frus I know your LOs are about the same spacing as mine....how are you feeling with essentially "starting over" with a new baby? Things are feeling really like I'm in a limbo right now as my friends' kids are older, my birth worker friends are all busy and now I feel like I've got little in common with them, and it's like I'm a new mum all over again b/c I have a tiny baby. Kind of feeling like I have to re-find my identity. Is it just me or have you been feeling anything like this? I should probably just go find a new mum's group in my area. It's also not helping that the boys are in school full-time and it's getting really lonely around here just being at home..... nor does it help that DH has gone out with his friends tonight so I've really had no socialization today and I'm feeling kinda bummed out. It's like delayed baby-blues. sad

Librarina Thu 04-Jul-13 05:36:35

Well she cried, on and off, mostly on...until 1am. She finally fell asleep in the sling as I bounced on my birthing ball singing 'Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz', so now she's just had her usual 15 mins on the first boob. Am now supposed to wind and change her but she's not dirty, so I just undid her babygro & nappy and blew on her bum, but she will not wake up to feed. I'd put her baby to bed but I know she'll wake up hungry soon and I'll wake up with one sore, full boob.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 04-Jul-13 06:34:43

lib ds has gone onto one boob per night feed. Some babies really won't wake for the second whatever you try and do. I feed bad for you that you are so sore. I'm a form believer in doing what is right for you. And that old cleche of happy mum happy baby. If you have to move on to expressing for bottle feeding, or formula feeding, please don't feel guilty about doing so. You are going to feel mothers guilt over a lot of things in the coming years, and a lot of that you will have to ignore. Don't be in pain because you think it's expected of you, it is okay to do what you have to do to be happy and healthy.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 04-Jul-13 06:58:14

kitty do you have a pram pram?

bring I have taken to doing a lot of baby groups, theres 4 different ones that I go to, but I don't always go to all of then in the week in the hope that I'll "click" with someone, and also to get out of the house.
(Will msg you on fb)

Frus what is a pram pram?
Totally agree with your msg to lib, don't suffer because you feel obliged! My dd will often only have one boob too but as we feed every 3 hrs they never get to full or uncomfy, that said woke up with one porn star one this morning, had the best night!
Bed at7 straight to sleep, woke at 2:15 fed, had a little winge for the next 20 mins but not crying just a few mins every 10 of groans, then slept til wait for it 6:40!!! Hurar no 5:30 for me today gringringringringrin
Plus I've just had my first full on smile, the last week she's been turning up the corner of her mouth but this was a full on mouth open eyes smiling grin at me, I'm in lovesmile
Bring I know as a mw it goes against all your advice but the sleep mat monitor I've got has been the best money I've spent, it works brilliantly and I can relax even though she's on her tummy, I think you can buy clips that go on there napped aswel

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 04-Jul-13 08:56:36

A pram pram, with the carrycot bit on the chassis. T
Great for belly or side sleepers.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 04-Jul-13 09:10:58

Lol kitty to your one sided pornstar boobs. I have a sobby baby, he got himself all worked up on the school run because he wanted a top-up feed. So now sat in car outside school feeding between his sobs.
Have you had real tears yet?

Eew I have to go and get changed. Major leakage from where my Breast pad had slipped.

Librarina Thu 04-Jul-13 09:20:29

Thanks for the love ladies, last night was really tough. Just had bananas with sugar and cream on in bed and feel much better.

I was going to get a pump and try expressing, give my poor left nipple a break however the breast feeding volunteer thinks we might have thrush too. Got the drugs yesterday and I'm maxing out on Acidophilius to try and boost myself. So I don't think I can pump until that's cleared up.

Was really looking forward to today as we are registering her and were going to go out for lunch and meet all the people from my Arts Festival which is starting today (and which I thought I would be in a fit state to volunteer for....ha!)

Jojobump1986 Thu 04-Jul-13 09:42:09

We had a couple of proper tears yesterday. It confused me for a moment because I thought his eyes were leaking... hmm

Things are a little calmer here. I got a few hours to myself yesterday afternoon when both DSs slept at the same time! I told DH that I was struggling being his only form of support & he understood & said he'd have a think about coping strategies & maybe include talking to someone in that. He's been having trouble trying to figure out how to solve some things at work which he feels he should be able to do & he's been getting panicky about it. He's written down a step-by-step procedure of how to deal with those moments which he's designed to get himself thinking logically about the issue rather than just freaking out. I'm not convinced it'll work but he says he's feeling a lot more confident today because he has a plan. Hopefully that'll be enough to help him through. I'm a little concerned about how he might react if he needs to use his procedure & it doesn't help! We have mentioned the concept of GPs, talking to his boss or even time off so hopefully he'd be amenable to one of those options if it does get worse.

Lib, take it easy on yourself! My DS will only ever feed from 1 side & usually only for 8-13 mins. He lets me know if he's still hungry & I can express enough for a decent feed for him from one side so I'm confident he's getting enough. I looked it up when I was having problems with DS1's feeding & at this stage they should be having approximately 1oz for every 1kg of their weight. I made a graph! <Geek!> Give expressing a go, if nothing else it'll give you an idea of how much milk you're producing from each side. I find it reassuring to be able to measure things! grin Even if you have to go to formula for a few feeds, or more, for a little while you've still got the option of going back to the breast when you've had a chance to recover. If you don't leave it too long then your supply will adjust to provide enough again. Oh, & breast shells are fab for swollen boobs! I'm a bit of a shell-evangelist now! An 'evan-shell-ist'! grin

Talking of milk supply... DS2 gagged & pulled off suddenly yesterday & got a face-full of squirting milk! It was like a super-soaker, but worse! I couldn't help laughing at him covered in milk & looking rather surprised! I also laughed at DS1 when he was chasing a balloon around, trod on it & did a full-on Charlie Brown flip in the air & landed on his back! Both he & the balloon were completely unharmed but he was a bit shaken up & I had to fight the giggles to comfort him. It was so like a cartoon! blush I'm a terrible parent!

Yes we've had proper tears aswell!
We have got a "pram pram" frus although can't use it if we want to put dd1 in aswell but feel bad putting her on her tummy in there aswell, people will judge

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 04-Jul-13 11:43:16

Leaking eyes grin
Ds' eyes leaked this morning because he had a dirty nappy and wanted feeding and it was all too much for him. sad

kitty I have one of these with the cot on top and dd2 in the bottom. You can practically see people giving themselves wedgies hoiking up their judgy pants to their armpits. grin
But with just ds on his belly they're okay with it. Ds has a pillow in there too to counteract the reflux.

Ours is pretty similar, we have the icandy peach but I only bought the extra seat not carry cot as I have one allready from. Dd1 but for it to work as a double you need a smaller one so I can use the carry cot on its own, if I use it as a double it's only seat& car seat or 2 seats, I didn't think it warranted the extra cost as we allready had the one and if I'm doing a whole day somewhere where I'd need it dh would be with me and we have a cheeper maclaren aswell, I have put her on her side aswell but she doesn't like that either she's a tummy tot!
Atleast her lovely hair won't rub off though wink

Phew today is crazy at the trumpet household. It's the national holiday here today so the kids are home from school, dh is home, and since we live near a lake, it's mayhem with teenagers driving to the beach down our road....only 3 more days of this until M and I have the house to ourselves again. confused

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 04-Jul-13 21:14:39

Darn it, I knew there was something I was gonna do... happy Independence Day bring

Jojobump1986 Thu 04-Jul-13 23:31:22

At least you're not lonely bring! wink Enjoy your long weekend!

I feel rubbish. My throat is sooo sore! sad Just waiting for the ibuprofen to kick in.

I bought nipple shields tonight! My let down was so strong that he kept gagging & wrenching off & it was making me sore. We've had one feed so far... Which lasted 45 minutes in total! hmm Less toe-curling pain with the first few sucks though so that's nice! I guess they must slow the flow a bit because he didn't gag once! Not entirely sure how I feel about going from nice quick 10 min feeds to being stuck sitting down for 45 mins though! Does anyone have any experience with shields? They were a bit of a desperate impulse buy & I don't really know what I'm doing with them! blush

Jo they really are more for babies who either are having a really hard time latching due to inverted nipples (or mums who need their nipples to heal) or for babies who won't latch due to preference to bottle nipples. They can be hard to wean babies off of though, so I would try to stay away from them tbh. They are way over prescribed over here for women instead of really working on correcting the latch and I think they give women the impression that there is something wrong with their bodies. I'd take 10 minutes compared to 45! You could try leaning back during nursing to reduce the effect of gravity on your let down, you could express milk to the point of getting a let down and then feed baby the rest so it's not so strong for him, you could gently hold back the top of the breast your nursing from, there are a lot of ways to help with the forceful let down. With all things, shields do have a time and a place....

Lib pumping from the sore side could help out a lot. I wouldn't rely on it too much to tell you how much you're making though as the suction with a breast pump compared to the efficiency of how a baby sucks makes a huge difference in output. If you do have thrush (ouch, I hope it clears for you quickly!!) make sure to boil or wash your bras in hot water with vinegar to kill off the yeast spores, change your breast pads frequently if they get wet, expose your breasts to air, and wash your hands frequently. Also boil pacifiers daily and consider getting baby treated so you two aren't passing it back and forth.

Librarina Fri 05-Jul-13 03:01:11

I bought them as well JoJo but I've not had the coordination to out them on and feed her, plus I scared myself by reading takes of how hard it is to wean off them. But the midwife is coming tomorrow for her last visit (I'm going to miss them so) so Ill have a chat with her about them.

We also bought Ewan The Dream Sheep which has been a godsend, it is a fluffy sheep which makes white noise and has a warm red light, I don't know about her but it sends me to sleep in minutes!

Ivedecided the secret to happy baby rearing is to stay in bed from 3-6, feed 6-7, eat a quick tea then go back to bed until the 10pm feed. So basically in order to not go crazy with a baby I need to go to bed at 3pm!

Happy4'th July xxxx

Librarina Fri 05-Jul-13 03:19:29

Heee, i started writing my last message on the midnight feed and finished it on the 3am one. Cheers for the bra boiling tip. Do you know if I can still use my nipple butter? We are both being treated, I have pills, she has delicious liquid which she loves, feel a bit sad dosing her up already, especially as swabs weren't taken, but I am feeling a little better already.

Ha thanks Lib! Yeah, unfortunately she's the one who's given you thrush so it's pretty important to treat you both. You can give her the probiotics as well! Just a small amount of the powder in the capsules on the tip of your finger in her mouth 3x per day. I think the nipple butter should be okay... I should check on that.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 05-Jul-13 04:18:14

I've been awake since 12. It's just not funny. DH is
driving me mad. Dd2 won't sleep. DH I'd making his usually big deal out of it. I'm already sleep deprived, if he wants a big deal he's going to get one. Ds has hiccups and is getting angry with them.

And by the smell of it our ndn is having a cigarette out her back door again.

I'm abit worried I may have thrush now too hmm I did have dd1 treated for it as the gp thought they saw it in her mouth but I never had it
Last night for the first time my left boob hurt when I fed her and not just the latch although that did hurt but the whole feed felt weird and uncomfortable, I'm hoping not with it comming up to the weekend, do you need to see a gp to get meds if it is?
I've been really lucky bf and never had problems so was surprised by sudden out the blue pain, could it be anything else? I don't think she's had bad latches that could have caused it?

Oh and when you say boil bras in vinegar what does that mean? Do you put it in the washing machine draw where the powder goes? How much? Then do you wash them again?

Librarina Fri 05-Jul-13 08:40:02

Mine are boiling in a pan of vinegary hot water now.
Oh the glamour!

Ahh I see, yes very glam!
I really don't know whether that's what mine is lib, I looked in dd2 mouth and can't see any sign of it, what does it feel like to you and is it both?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 05-Jul-13 09:36:55

kitty it will be little white patching in his mouth that don't rub off with your finger. (Milk rubs off)
On you it will be itchy areola and nipples, that feels like you can't quite reach the itch. And if its in the milk ducts it can feel like shooting pains when he feeds (and often when not feeding)

Do you feel any warm patches on your boobs?

No warm patches but they have felt itchy since the beginning really, they don't feel as bad today as last night so maybe it is a bad latch issue x

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 06-Jul-13 07:59:34

kitty the warm patch q isn't to do with the thrush.
How have the feeds been since?

Seems ok touch wood, maybe a random one off thing?
How lucky are we to have weather like this on our time off grin

Lorelei353 Sat 06-Jul-13 10:24:59

Good morning.
The weather is amazing isn't it? Struggling to keep ds cool though.

We had great adventures yesterday. I took ds to be registered so he's all official and has birth certs and everything. Then ds my mum and I walked down to meet dh for coffee and I bf ds in public for the first time. It went well although he did pop off at one point and I sprayed/leaked a bit. Wasn't too much though.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 06-Jul-13 12:24:39

I agree the weather is gorgeous. BBQ with ILs later. Padding pool out. Sun cream applied. And at park with dd2 and ds.
This heat is a nightmare for ds. He likes being wrapped up to sleep, but it's too hot to wrap him up.

Librarina Sat 06-Jul-13 16:18:51

The weather is indeed lovely, but I've not seen it as I've been indoors with a grouchy, cluster feeding baby. Luckily the Thrush medication is kicking in and feeds are feeling less like knives stabbing my boobs and more Luke cocktail sticks pricking my nipples. Just taken me 3 hours to persuade her to have a nap, in the end we both got naked, fed in cool room then I have her to her daddy while I ran away!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 06-Jul-13 19:58:28

Good to hear the meds have kicked in and feeding is getting less painful.

I usually put dd in a sleeping bag but felt it was too hot today, I umed and Ahmed about a vest and cellular blanket but knew shed kick off the blanket so put her in a full sleep suit only cotton but with the toes and long sleeved, was thinking just that, what is everyone else doing?

Lorelei353 Sat 06-Jul-13 21:26:39

I was going to ask the same thing.

ds usually sleeps with a vest on under a body suit and with a cellular blanket over him. Last night was too hot though. All day today he's only had his vest on and I think tonight we'll just leave him in a vest with the blanket over him. I was worried about his arms having nothing on them though

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 06-Jul-13 23:30:12

Ds is in a sleep suit. No vest. He likes having warm feet. He currently has a blanket over him too, but we do have a fan in the room.

Lorelei353 Sat 06-Jul-13 23:33:12

I was thinking of sleep suit with no vest but think it'll be too hot.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 06-Jul-13 23:37:52

I have a right mummies boy. I swear he has an inbuilt sensor that goes off if I step outside a 2 metre radius of him. And cries if I trigger the sensor by daring to go to the toilet or get a drink/snack without taking him. And i refuse to take him He wakes up if Hes asleep when i leave the room. And no one else will do.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 06-Jul-13 23:41:10

Romper suit? -- ds has a couple and theyre basically a sleepsuit with short arms and legs--

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 07-Jul-13 04:55:14

Omg ds has just woken up. I reckon that's almost 6hours for him. And he was in his carrycot, so I've had about 4 hours proper sleep. Wow

peardrop2 Sun 07-Jul-13 07:56:25

Good morning ladies! I see the group has grown :-) I hope you're all enjoying your bundles of joy despite the sick running down your back and sleepless nights etc. Did everyone get what they expected on the gender front? My baby boy arrived in May as expected (6lbz 15). Congrats to you all btw ;-)

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 07-Jul-13 09:12:58

PEAR! hello stranger. Congratulations on your boy. grin

peardrop2 Sun 07-Jul-13 09:41:56

Thank you Frus I know I haven't been on MN for a very long time but I wanted to say hello and congrats to you al!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 07-Jul-13 10:31:33

How are you finding motherhood pear? Is your boy good?

peardrop2 Sun 07-Jul-13 10:47:18

I'm trying to catch up on what you all had. You had your boy Frus and it looks like there are a few girls smile I'm loving being a first time mummy thanks for asking. He's 9lbs 7 now...growing so fast! Breast feeding was a struggle at first but I forced myself out there to get help and we've battled through it and now feeding very well. Colic is still a constant battle but I hear it won't be forever! How about you Frus how are you coping with another edition to the family?

Congrats pear lovely to hear from you! How was your birth etc, are you finding everything ok? Me and frus were both may and early, possibly just before you? Dd was born the 19th may

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 07-Jul-13 11:03:30

Me, lorelei and jojo had boys. kitty bring and lib had girls.

My new edition is good as gold, for me grin

peardrop2 Sun 07-Jul-13 15:20:55

Aww baby girl and boy arrivals! A good mix then. Lovely to see you all doing well. Hello kitty! Labour was not an experience I wish to repeat too soon. No doubt everyone else feels that way too grin

peardrop2 Sun 07-Jul-13 15:23:04

And yes kitty it looks like you just beat me to it! My boy arrived on time but took his time once he decided it was time to come out!

peardrop2 Sun 07-Jul-13 18:09:42

Do any of you have any tips on making bath time more enjoyable? My son screams as soon as he hits the water :-( I've tried a small bath that sits in the big bath and a support sponge. The support sponge made the situation worse!

Jojobump1986 Sun 07-Jul-13 19:44:56

Hi pear! grin <waves>

I either give DS2 sponge baths which hates but are quick or he comes in my bath with me which he loves but I'm scared he'll poo! blush DS1 hated any bathing experience that wasn't floating in my bath so we've not even tried anything else with DS2. It could be the temperature. I suspect we tended to make baths just for him cooler than I'd like so my baths were warmer. I always added a bit more hot water after I'd handed him to DH - I like my baths much hotter than would be appropriate for a tiny baby!

peardrop2 Sun 07-Jul-13 20:12:13

Hi Jojo! That sounds like my boy! I would be scared he would poo and wee too! shock After another boo hoo bath tonight I've decided I'll try top and tail again for a little bit. See if he gets used to it. How are you doing? Congrats on your little boy smile

Welcome back pear!! I've been wondering how you've been! Sounds like things are going well for you. We have a private group on fb if you would like to join us. Just pm me your email address and I'll add you. smile

I haven't been able to put down M for more than 10 minutes w/o her waking up and demanding to be fed again (only to have her fall asleep 5 mins in). The boys have been positively feral today and have been running around screaming like banshees, fighting with each other, tattling on each other, practically crawling on me whenever I'm trying to feed the baby, running in and out of the house all day so who knows what the energy bill will look like from the air con trying to keep up with cooling the house. I am SO looking forward to them going back to school tomorrow! But....dh is having surgery on his nose in the morning so I get to take care of that for the next three days. Welcome back to the real world, eh? hmm

Pear on the bath front dd1 was the same when she was little, I too found making the water abit hotter pleased her ( the right temperature according to books etc is way to cold for me so can't imagine it's pleasant for them, just use your own judgement on elbow) and also she used to like a flannel on her tummy, I think again it kept her warmer and made her feel secure, she's in a seat on her own. Dd2 has loved them from the first one and actually stops crying the minute she hears it running so we do it every night. She's also happily stay in 30 mins if I left her, she must be like me as I LOVE my bath!
Bring three kids I can't even imagine, especially hot kids! Dd1 had been a little shit challenging today deliberately throwing her breakfast on the floor, putting a clip in her mouth and refusing to take it out when I asked, refusing to get dressed or put her nappy on, she's not had enough sleep the last few days and then has woken at 6 so hopefully after her 2 hr nap today well have a more happy little girl! She actually asked for water tonight in her bottle instead of milk because of the heat lol

peardrop2 Mon 08-Jul-13 16:45:19

Thanks kitty I'll try your tip to make the bath a little warmer...it does make sense!

peardrop2 Mon 08-Jul-13 16:47:00

I don't know how you ladies cope with a newborn plus little ones... Hats off to you all envy

Jojobump1986 Mon 08-Jul-13 16:57:17

We don't! It's all an act!

Thanks pear! We truly are amazing, aren't we?! grin

I'm avoiding getting DS1 up. He's awake & banging in his cot but if I move DS2 he's going to wake up & want feeding & the earlier I get DS1 up, the longer I have to entertain both of them before DH comes home!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 08-Jul-13 19:32:58

Oh my goodness it's so hot in my house I've had to resort to taking a hot and bothered baby for a walk in his pram with just a nappy on to cool him down.

Ha, I SOooo don't blame you Jo for keeping him in there for a bit longer. grin

It's really just a delicate balancing act that most of the time goes crashing down with more than 1 child. Some just make it look easier than others.

Dh is home from his operation after M and I hung around the hospital for 4 hrs. Frustrating that dh didn't believe me that after 4 surgeries for various things, I would know a thing or two about how shit you feel afterwards. Now I've got a groggy and grumpy full-grown man to take care of as well as three sweaty children. I so so so deserve ice cream beer tonight.

Very hot, it's 30degrees in the girls room shockso pleased to get them to bed, dd1 has driven me crackers! She been deliberately naughty, I think dm thought I was over egging how bad until she came to help me look after her for 30 mins while I put dd2 to bed, heard her telling her how naughty she was and running around after her! I feel like a shit mum, the real low point being when I was feeding dd2 so couldn't move she climbed up onto the windowsill and was doing a dance going no kitty no kitty!shes not even 2 and mocking me hmm

Jojobump1986 Mon 08-Jul-13 22:19:39

DS1 was doing similar today kitty! His favourite thing at the moment is to ignore you when you first ask him to go somewhere & then run in the opposite direction laughing hysterically when you ask again! hmm I tried ignoring him when he was avoiding getting in his chair for dinner because he was looking back at me clearly waiting for me to chase him. My pretending to ignore him & eat my own dinner just resulted in him climbing the stairs! I hate that he knows I won't ignore that! I guess it's just them experimenting with their control over their environment. I just keep telling myself that it's a normal developmental phase & I need to let him explore that, albeit within certain limits... Then I forget all that, dump him on DH & leave the room to bang my head on the wall focus on breathing deeply! wink

peardrop2 Tue 09-Jul-13 03:02:46

You ladies are a good contraception advert smile Honestly don't know where the energy comes from. I'm only just getting my head around looking after DS post birth!

In the nicest possible way I'm glad it's not just me Jojo, she has done everything today that she knows is naughty, climbing, throwing the cat biscuits in their water or on the floor, putting the clip back in her mouth from yesterday's naughty ness ( which I could even see flash up in her eyes ah this is what I got told off for doing yesterday!) it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that just before she started we had been playing lovely in the garden for an hour with dd2 asleep in her cot so it wasn't an attention thing but from the point I told her off she made it her mission to get under my skin or do as much as possible that she knew is bad, the other thing is that nothing I do to disaplin seems to bother her, we've tried reasoning, taking things off her, telling her if she does it one more time we won't go to fun place we were going or she won't get a treat that day, putting her in her room, I even tried a smack on the leg yesterday with a count to 3 when she put the clip in her mouth as its dangerous ( it's not the line I want to go down) and she still defiantly kept it in, just feel like in doing everything wrong at at the minute hmm

Jojobump1986 Tue 09-Jul-13 06:51:04

I've tried smacking DS1's hand a couple of times when he's done something that's really made me worry about his safety. He laughs like a deranged maniac even harder & does it again! hmm I've also found that he's at his least obedient when he's had me to himself for a while & then I have to do something with DS2... Or after his nap when I need to be cooking, or when he's not had enough attention, or when he's not asleep...! wink He likes switches & will inch towards them saying "no" repeatedly. & he climbs on the sofas & stands up & runs along them when we go to remove him.

I'm really looking forward to getting him up now...! hmm I've not had a great night with DS2 so I doubt I'll be winning any parenting awards today! <Yawn> Might see if I can get some sleep before the little maniac wakes up! wink

They sound like they were seperated at birth! Dd1 is exactly the same with everything you just said, atleast you got to decode whether to wake her, she's woken up before me and dd2 today, atleast it was 6;30 though, it was 5:30 yesterday and shed had a late night and not gone to sleep til 9, maybe that was why she was worse then normal! I had her in bed at 7 on the dot last night, I just couldn't take anymore lol

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 09-Jul-13 08:02:04

I agree that they are always worse after they've had 1:1 attention from you (or somebody else, dd1 isnt fussy)

I think it may be because dh has gone back to work, she's not been really asking for him but for 7 wks she's had both of us and atleast 1on1 , she became a real daddy's girl and he took her to the park almost every day! She probably misses him!
How's everyone else's sleep going? Dd2 has only woken up once a night for the past week at 2-3 she's asleep by 7 at night and usually wakes up between 5:45 or 6:30, I still feel knackered as not getting any naps and having to stay up til 10 to get organised for the next day, the other problem is for the last 3 nights where I havnt put dd2 in a sleeping bag she has crawled/pulled herself up the cot and ended up at the other end off the sensor which sets off the alarm, this has happened twice a night now confused
Oh it doesn't wake her though?!?

peardrop2 Tue 09-Jul-13 10:35:31

kitty ~ omg! Once a night? Are you formula feeding? I wish it was like that for me hmm DS wakes for a feed every 2-3hrs and only sleeps in his own bed if I swaddle him which is impossible in this heat so we've gone back to co sleeping...sigh!

Jojobump1986 Tue 09-Jul-13 11:09:36

DS2 had been feeding at 8 & 11 so I'd go to bed after the 11pm feed & we'd sleep until 4-5ish. The last couple of nights he's been really difficult to get to feed at 11 so last night I left him. We woke at 2 & 5. Not impressed! It was cool enough by 5 that I could swaddle him & I had to wake him at 10.30! I'm trying to decide if I have the energy/time/ability to make him a swaddle wrap out of an old sheet. I've tried swaddling him in various things but he's so wriggly that he kicks them off or ends up with them around his neck/face! Definitely won't be trying that again!

No pear, breast feeding but following a book I used with dd1 that is surposed to get them sleeping 7-7 by 8wks, dd1 slept through at 12wks and has never looked back so using it again. It is based on routine and feeding every three hours in the day and never waking them from the minute you put them to bed at 7, doing a whole dark at night and never talking and light and chatty in the day, it's not about leaving them to cry so I love it, it's worked for all my friends aswell, the heat and light makes it all so much harder though!

peardrop2 Tue 09-Jul-13 16:20:32

Ahh kitty that sounds like the Gina Ford book. I've read a couple of chapters and was very tempted by it but felt that we go out too much in the daytime for it to work :-/ I could never imagine myself having breakfast at 7 but then saying that I did today.

No not gina ford pear, I got that to have a look at but it was so structured I didn't think it could possibly fit into our lifestyle, hated the way she told you when to have a drink etc it was like ill have one when I want thanks, this is called the sensational baby sleep plan and the only thing you have to follow in the day is feeding ever three hours or there abouts. You get an hour either side so you try to start the day at 7 then feed at 10,1,4 and 7 again but if she sleeps in you can start at 8 or early if 6 you can still stretch out the next feed til 10 aslong as its there or there abouts, sleep wise in the day I just let her sleep when she wants to and anywhere so car seat or cot or being held etc, that's why i like it as its a guide not a strict you must do this kind of thing then when they sleep through you start to reduce the 3hr feeds to 4hr and then ween as and when your ready, I can't recommend it enough but it's what suits you at the end of the day, I like having the routine that she goes to bed at 7 and we do what we want in the day, now dd1 is almost 2 we sometimes let her stay up later etc dependant on what we are doing like it was 9 the other night but she's much better going at 7 and loves to sleep

I think but may be wrong that gina ford does a dream feed too? This guide doesn't advocate that at all , she says to put them to bed at 7 and after that you never wake them to feed them or you will be giving then the dream feed much longer then they need it and it becomes a habit, kind of like when you set your alarm for work each day and you find you wake without it! They get used to waking at a set time which makes sence really this way they drop it when they are ready it just gets later and later til it goes completely

peardrop2 Tue 09-Jul-13 21:00:53

Kitty that sounds like a book I need! Is it too late for my DS who is 7 weeks tomorrow?

peardrop2 Tue 09-Jul-13 21:03:00

Also will I be able to read it in the short time I have nowadays? I find Gina Ford too much to digest :-/

Not too late at all pear I didn't know about it til dd1 was a few weeks old as friend only recommended it when I texted her in desperation lol it would be fine to start now but might take a little longer, like my dd took til 12wks rather then 8, they also have a section for older children anyway that is over 4 months I think but that does involve some control crying, the earlier section doesn't, it's not a big book so yes you'd be able to read the relevant bit to start in a day or 2, ( an hour say) and then you can read the other bits if you need advice or want to understand more about it, there are sections on bf and the different ailments and a section on reflux as she's one of the leading specialists in it I think, anyway I love it as I like to feel like I'm in control but don't like to be stuck inside or tied down to anything rigid like the other books do, (basically i like going out in the day to groups or meeting friends --or shopping--)there are bits about structured day time sleeps aswell but we didn't use them and it made no difference, it's good because she suggests what works but doesn't insist you follow ie says its best not to use sleep aids like a dummy but if you need to you can, just explains why it might be more detrimental long term, we only used it as a guide and just found it easy and common sence after but as a first time mum it doesn't always occur to you ( things like not putting the light on at night etc) can you tell how much I rate it lol
Must sound like I work for her but there's nothing better or that you can't deal with after a good nights sleep everything else you can just wing it and I havnt heard of anyone it's failed for, it's called the sensational baby sleep plan by Alison Scott wright anyway xx

peardrop2 Wed 10-Jul-13 00:29:42

Thanks kitty I will give it a go smile

Jojobump1986 Wed 10-Jul-13 06:26:21

I am not a happy bunny! I have a pain in my breast & I'm not entirely sure why. I think maybe my bra was too tight but it started yesterday morning & just hasn't gone away! I was assuming it was a blockage, although I can't feel any lumpiness. So far I've tried massage, feeding in various positions, feeding while massaging, hot compresses & expressing. When DH gets out of the shower I'm going to try having a long hot bath. It just feels bruised. sad I'm seeing the health visitor later so I'll mention it to her if I haven't got it resolved by then. My nipple is cracked & sore from trying to convince him to feed more. It might have been worth it if it'd actually helped! <Sulk>

No-one mention the M word. I don't wanna have it, therefore I won't! wink

hmmhmmhmm Jojo, it's so worrying when your bf to get any pain isn't it, I'm sure it won't be the m word, lets hope it is just a bra bruise and nothing to worry about

peardrop2 Wed 10-Jul-13 08:34:54

JoJo I think if it was the M word you would be doubled up in pain. I get the idea that the M word is pretty bad. It sounds like bruising to me. I had something similar yesterday because DS is drinking in overdrive style thanks to this crappy weather confused I know I know...it's great to see sunshine etc however sunshine = my DS not letting me put him down ever because sunshine makes him turn into a needy koala overnight hmm

peardrop2 Wed 10-Jul-13 08:36:01

Perhaps book an appointment with the GP just in case! If it improves you can always cancel.

peardrop2 Wed 10-Jul-13 08:44:07

JoJo have you got any red blotches? I think that is a sign of the M word. It's good that your health visitor is coming to see you today. Quicker then getting a GP appointment! FX it goes away soon!

Jojobump1986 Wed 10-Jul-13 09:07:33

needy koala grin

No blotches/streaks/hot patches/high temp... I'm just really paranoid! I've been doing a lot of reading & I suspect it's a result of oversupply/over-active letdown. I've just popped my finger in his mouth to check how he's sucking & he does clamp both with his gums & his tongue which could be an attempt to slow the flow. The letdown doesn't bother me so much once he's actually feeding but I get it once or twice between each feed & it's a sudden burning sensation that feels like someone's trying to push thick icing through my nipples! hmm My guess is that it's coming out too fast for him (he gags & pulls of after a few minutes quite frequently) & so he's started clamping to regulate the flow which is stopping the breast emptying properly & also cracking my nipples.

Today is going to be super fun... I had maybe 4 hours sleep last night, been awake since 4.30, am in pain, it's going to be hot again... I feel like crying! sad It's days like this when I wish DH wasn't so conscientious/honest & would fake a sick day so he could stay home & help! Doesn't help that he's still struggling & the reason I got to bed late last night was that I had to spend an hour listening to him complain about all the things at work that are worrying him. He spoke to his boss about the issues & he said it all seemed fine but DH just can't stop worrying! <Sigh> It's ok to express a whole load of milk, wait until I see DH arriving home & then sneak out, leaving a note, & go stay in a hotel for a few days, right? I rather fancy sitting around in a fluffy dressing gown ordering room service & watching trashy tv! Ah, to be young & carefree again! wink

Needy koala grin

Jinx jojo
It doesn't sound like the m word then, but still not pleasent for you hmm
You made having a night off sound like a little bit of heaven, can I join you??
My dh is similar, he's not depressed thankfully but if there's an issue at work he goes over and over it suggesting every possible outcome and fretting, nothing bad ever happens but he does it every time

Lorelei353 Wed 10-Jul-13 09:42:21

Sorry, I've been quiet lately.

pear hi! Nice to hear from you and that things are going well. Stay on the bus. There's loads of room!

jojo I jinks I have something similar. My let down is very strong. If DS pops off at the start it goes everywhere, and he often does struggle as it's too much for him. I get a slight burning in my nipple sometimes between feeds, but I think it's when I start leaking a bit, or really need to feed him. Weird sensation but I've had it for about a week and nothing bad has come of it.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 10-Jul-13 09:48:39

pear M doesn't hurt that much to start with. Mine didn't. High temp showed itself as a headache and just feeling a bit ugh.

For me the mastitis started as a warm patch, that I couldn't quite work out if it was warm or just where my bra strap went (in the armpit side) and felt like a bruise. After a day the skin looked odd. I can't describe it, but it looked odd and not like the surrounding skin. And I thought I could see a pink patch. Like when you poas early and squint because you don't know if you're imagining it. The next day it was clearly there and had a clear outline to it (where it changed from m skin to normal skin)
But it didn't hurt at any point. Just bruised when I touched it.

I have since noticed that it was in a place that ds puts his fist when he feeds.
jojo could your ds be pressing in the same place when he feeds to slow the flow?
Your thick icing through nipples is so spot on. That's exactly it. Hot thick icing. usually marks the point when I look at my cheat to check my breast pads are in place

The best thing for forceful letdown (I had it with dd1 as well, but not dd2, and usually accompanied by oversupply) is getting him above the nipple/breast literally so that gravity is on his side. Leaning back when you feed, or sat on your leg and held facing you so his head is level with your boob. (Easier when they have head control)

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 10-Jul-13 09:52:22

Epic post blush jojo has your DH tried rescue remedy for his anxiety?

Jojobump1986 Wed 10-Jul-13 09:52:22

DH has always been like that, it's just especially bad at the moment!

Yy, let's all run away together! We'll find a lovely spa retreat in the middle of the countryside & fritter away the days sipping cocktails cucumber water by the pool. We won't tell anyone where we've gone so even the most effective nipple-radar-possessing baby won't be able to track us down! <Eyes wriggling DS suspiciously...> I guess it's time for another feed then... I can always tell when it's time because he wriggles closer to me & rolls onto his side! We've had to put rolled up towels under the sheet to stop him wriggling too close to me at night - I found him at right angles to where I'd left him with his face worryingly close to my bum the other day! I could easily have rolled over in my sleep & sat on him! The towels went in that night. He just wriggles down now! DS1 stayed where we put him until he was at least 5 months! confused

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 10-Jul-13 10:11:12

Mmm cucumber water actually sounds quite nice. clearly sleep deprived and sucke dry
I don't have wriggly baby, I seem to have naturally adopted the "recommended co-sleeping position" ds is trapped between my legs and arm. But he doesn't seem to wriggle up or down in his cot either. hmm strangly a few times I've got up to go to the loo, and come back and wondered how he got onto my bed. Then I wonder how I got up without touching him. That's usually the point I put him back in his cot. and pretend I'm not freaking out
Ds has a nipple radar. Mr needy koala as he will henceforth be known seems to be able to tell when I am more than 2 metres away from him.

Jojobump1986 Wed 10-Jul-13 10:13:44

No, he's not tried anything... Why would he want to when "it's just the way [he] is" & "it's not really a problem" & he'll "get over it eventually"... hmm I'll suggest it but I doubt he'll try it. He's the sort of person who's convinced that the only medication that can help has to be prescribed but he won't go to a GP for anything unless I force him to because he thinks that if he can just about cope then it's not worth wasting the GP's time! I'm often the same but I have a lower threshold of what I'm willing to tolerate. I won't go for a bug that'll clear up eventually but I'd be straight down there for drugs if I had any concerns about my mental health!

I have been leaning back while feeding recently but it doesn't seem to help a great deal. I'm going to try other positions to see if they help - he's not yet got the hang of latching on when we're lying down so I'm hoping to work on that. I might pop along to a breastfeeding group next week incase I am doing something wrong. The latch generally looks ok to me, although sometimes it's not & I take him off straight away! I'm pretty sure it's not tongue-tie either but I don't think it's ever been checked. He has no problems poking his pointy little tongue out at me! grin

peardrop2 Wed 10-Jul-13 12:02:16

Ahh well sorry I'm v wrong about the M word hurting then! I guess it's different person to person.

Even though I've had a really tough night with the heat making needy koala extra needy I'm feeling very proud of myself for persevering with breast feeding today. Well done all of us. Give yourself a pat thanks wine envy

peardrop2 Wed 10-Jul-13 12:03:26

Reading that back 'give yourself a pat' sounds ridiculous blush Give yourself a treat today!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 10-Jul-13 13:05:09

pear I didn't mean to sound pretensious. I didn't realise m didn't always hurt until I got it. I guess it might if left longer before treatment(?)

Ugh DHs driving is doing my head in. Aaahhh if you bump me thro

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 10-Jul-13 13:06:04

...through another drain I will be sorely tempted to commit murder.

peardrop2 Wed 10-Jul-13 13:09:35

Frus ~ no I generally meant sorry smileI was only going on what I've read. Much better to give JoJo real life experience!

Bf is hard isn't it, I rembered it with such fond memories ( and I do love it) but at the same time, it's so draining and sometimes you just want a day off, plus all the worrying aches and pains hmm
Work have phoned me for a chat tomorrow about a job and I know they will ask me if I'd like to do it which I would as itl only be a few days but if its in the near future I won't be able to because I have to have a baby attached to me!
Jojo my dd2 is such a wriggler, she crawled off her sensor twice again last night, she's sleeping well, I'm not!
She was at the other end of the cot lying sideways?!?
( can you tell who is the mean mummy, am I the only one who makes dd sleep in her own cot?!?)

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 10-Jul-13 17:18:43

I just had a giggle! Whoop whoop.

Librarina Wed 10-Jul-13 19:06:44

Hello ladies, sorry I've been off radar for a few days, been focussing on baby and it's paid off.

Thrush is, I hope and pray, quashed and my nipples are far less sore and tender. I'd go as far as to say that some feeds have even been nice! I've been sitting in the garden on a rocking chair in the shade and just nursing her when she wants it and ignoring my mother who says she is using me as a dummy.

I'm afraid I have a confession. It appears I may well be a big crusty mama after all. Baby now sleeps with me, and it's bloody lovely. I have her in the sling almost all the time, and she's really happy there...AND I haven't shaved my legs or pits since she was born! All I need to do now is start using real nappies and my transformation will be complete! I kind of had a revelation that I got stressed and miserable everytime I tried to do things the 'modern' way, and when I acted like a cave-woman mama I felt happier and therefore so did she. It's a bit of an identity crisis for me, but i do love responding to her. Now all I need to do is reconcile this with a peaceful and effective bedtime routine and I'll be in the road to feeling like a competent mummy.

Librarina Wed 10-Jul-13 19:07:50

Ooh Frus. I have giggle envy! How old is your little one now?

Hahah Lib does "crusty" = "crunchy"? If so, welcome to the club! grin Glad to not be the only hippy here. wink. Also fab news about the thrush! So so glad things are improving for you.

Sorry to hear about the booby pain Jo I hope it's not mastitis and that it clears for you. When in doubt, get it checked out though.

Sorry I've been lurking in the past few days and not posting. Dh had his septoplasty surgery on Monday and it's completely knocked him out for the past three days. Starting to feel really frustrated that he didn't believe me that he wouldn't be going back to work the same day as the surgery (jesus men are just ridiculous sometimes) and now I've had to switch over from recovering and enjoying this very short postpartum time to taking care of him, a newborn, and 2 preschoolers plus all the house duties. Yes, I am complaining. Yes, I probably sound like a spoiled kid, but this is really exhausting and I feel like I got shoved off a cliff into the deep-end after being able to rest when needed during the day and now I'm running around taking care of everyone. My bleeding has come back with a vengeance after completely going away which is just a huge sign that I'm doing way too much. <wails> I'm so tired!

Exciting news about the giggles Frus! Still waiting on smiles over here.

peardrop2 Wed 10-Jul-13 20:37:43

Oh bring that sounds really hideous. I feel sorry for you hmm Glad you can moan!

peardrop2 Wed 10-Jul-13 20:40:00

Frus that is cute. What set it off? My DS fell asleep listening to the beach boys booming from the stereo. The only thing DH could do to stop the cries. Madness :-/

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 10-Jul-13 23:35:02

That's cute pear can't go wrong with a bit of beach boys.

kitty you're definitely not a mean mummy. i co-sleep purely out of laziness ease, although I do like ds to start the night in his cot.

lib you're slowly heading for the dark side. wink you'll be on real nappies soon enough. wink

I think I may join you on the edge if the dark side. But I'm not doing real nappies tried them with dd1 but I can't keep up with the washing at the best of times I have spray on 5min hair removal cream for legs told you I was lazy
And I've ordered 3 different types of washable breast pads; organic lanowool, thick cotton, and hemp fleece. The plan is to see which are most comfortable whilst keeping my leakage at bay for the longest time possible. I'm spending a fortune on breast pads. the plastic backed ones irritate my skin. And the others leak. Often.

Ds is 8 weeks today lib. pear I was kissing his cheek and he made a cute little "huhuhu" laugh that was almost a cough. The dds giggled at DH 1st. I'm chuffed I got ds. <sticks tongue out at DH>

bring you will get smiles when they're due.

... Oops just fell asleep mid word. Night.

Jojobump1986 Wed 10-Jul-13 23:55:09

<Hugs> for bring! It's so frustrating when we're suddenly expected to look after them when it still should be the other way round!

envy @ giggles Frus! We're expecting smiles any day now. He's given me an almost smile once but it wasn't quite enough of a gummy grin to count!

I fell asleep on the sofa while DH was running DS1 up to bed at 8. Slept for 3 hours but don't think I'll have any difficulty getting back to sleep now! I was supposed to go out tonight but I had to text to say I couldn't make it when I realised I could barely walk in a straight line, let alone drive!

DS2 is now 7lb 13oz. That's a gain of over 1lb from his lowest weight & just 1oz short of 1lb over birth weight in a month. He's following the 9th centile curve perfectly! grin It's so nice to have a baby who does what they say he's supposed to! DS1 stubbornly refused to follow their lines & dropped from the 25th centile to below the bottom line in the first few months! Feeding seemed to be fine though! hmm

I thought you ment you'd had a giggle frus, I was going to reply what at? confused
Didn't put two and two together thicko yes veryenvy I've had smiles this last week though and they are the real face lighting up ones, gorgeous!!
Lib are you wearing a long skirtwink your well on the way to earth mother status lol what Evers right for you, ignore your mum unless you ask her for advice
Bring looking after the while family single handily, you have my utmost respect, moan anytime!
I've had a shit night, went to bed at 10:30 ( dh on nights) tv in bedroom has started turning itself on?? Went on at 11 woke me up, dd2 woke at 12:30 felt she wasn't going to self settle so decided to feed her and hope she wouldn't wake again.... You see where this going dont you!
She wiggeler of monitor after that , I woke up, she then woke for another feed at 4:15, then dd1 woke at 5:30, when I went down the cat has been sick everywhere hmm
I've just had a little cry

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 11-Jul-13 09:13:34

Ew cat puke, that's not the end you want to a sleepless night kitty sad

I don't get many wide mouth smiles. J is just too serious, but I do get lots of closed mouth smiles and corner twitches with twinkly eyes.

Hugs for bring

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 11-Jul-13 11:29:27

8wk check and jabs in a minute. I think I will cry if he cries at his jabs. sad

We've just had out check frus but think it was surposed to be 6wks isn't it? Anyway were at 71/2 and all well, not had the jabs yet, she is rising perfectly just under the 25% centile and is on the 91st for height shock

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 11-Jul-13 14:56:20

Mums postpartum check at 6 wks, babies 6-10wks with doctor, jabs at 8&12wks. I didn't do the weighing and measuring at we did that last week.

My check is tomorrow.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 11-Jul-13 15:08:00

I tried to get out of mine, but I need bloods doing. sad and the receptionist wouldn't let me just make the appointment for bloods without seeing the doctor.

Thanks ladies. Looking forward to having a co-parent again.

M had her first visit with the doctor (it's custom here to go in for well child check-ups instead of having a health visitor). She's put on 2 lbs in nearly 4 weeks and has grown a full inch since birth. shock 90th percentile for both weight and height. She's a little growing machine!

Wow, Kitty, that sounds like quite the night and quite the horrible thing to wake up to! My condolences!

sad oh Frus. Heartbreaking to have to go through the jabs. Not looking forward that with the next doctor visit. Hope your 6 week check-up goes well!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 11-Jul-13 19:44:23

Yay for your healthy growing machine bring

I am officially a dummy. luckily ds has emptied the side that he won't let go of. poor little boy is all sad after his injections.

poor little guy!

peardrop2 Thu 11-Jul-13 23:01:16

Kitty ~ I just want to say a big thank you envy for telling me about that book! My copy arrived today and I've started reading it tonight with DH. I read the chapter on Reflux and counted 23 symptoms that DS has which confirms it is reflux that he has hmm But on the bright side we have our 6-8 week check up tomorrow so I can talk to the GP and hopefully get some help as the health visitor was utterly useless. The book explains so much and has already helped DH understand why DS is doing some of the things he is doing :-/ Alison says we have to sort out the reflux first though before starting the sleeping plan sad

Oh I'm glad it helped pear! Reflux can be really hard to diagnose and is missed alot, my friends son had it but luckily our health visitor was quick on the mark but my friend who recommended me the book had to fight to get her dd diagnosed! I wouldn't want to recommend you going against safety guidelines but if it is, you may find he sleeps much better on his tummy, if your not comfortable doing it at night perhaps for a few of his naps you could try it when your with him, it's because it can burn their windpipe, we have a tommy tipee sleep mat as dd2 will only sleep on her tummy even in the pram!
it's quite straightforward though isn't it and atleast the example she gives is using her grandchild with reflux so not just an "easy" baby! I hope you can get it sorted quickly, good you have an app to see them today anyway, let us know what they say, itl give you chance to read the plan anyway so you know how to start it and you could probably implement some like the bedtime routine.
I like that there's also alot of info on bf as I had a white spot she mentions as an ailment and had even showed it to a few mw who didn't know what it was, I was glad to finaly think it wasn't something wrong/sinister!

peardrop2 Fri 12-Jul-13 07:35:54

Kitty ~ yes DH puts him on his tummy and he loves it but it scares me senseless and I've even been known to wake him up trying to move him sad He's only ever slept on his side since being born and now I know why. The book says babies with Reflux are at risk for SIDS so I brought the Tomee Tippee sleep mat monitor in the night from Amazon. We hadn't purchased a monitor yet. I will like you say start implementing some of the bed routine like the bath at 6:30pm. He was feeding every 3hrs until the hot weather began and now he's all over the place. I'll try and get that back again. My appointment is at 9am so I'll let you know what they say. And yes like you say she has some very good tips on BF and advice on what could be wrong with breasts like the M word. So easy to read!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 12-Jul-13 08:31:47

Ow my boobs hurt.

Yes I feel bad putting dd on her tummy but it got to the point where I felt it outweighed the bad, it can't be any better for her to be sleep deprived and crying screaming all the time either, I had our check yesterday and told the gp and mw she was a tummy tot and they said well some are and aslong as you know the safety risks you have to do what you think is best, I thing bring mentions a few msg back about the firm matress etc if you have a look
The mat does give you some piece of mind and remember the guidelines when we were little were to put us on our sides and tummy, things change all the time plus in a few months when they can roll they will just naturally get themselves into whatever position they want, you should see how I find dd sometimes!
It's a very easy read isn't it and very simple and flexible , not a "10:15 take a sip of water" in sight winkplus I love that its not a pro formula thing, I did a class on bf first time and it was like it was just expected that bf babies never sleep as well or always cluster feed at night, it almost put me of trying so I took great pleasure that it treats you equally and I could say to everyone no she is bf she's just a good sleeper! It never effected my supply either and my boobs just got used to the fact they wernt needed at night and still provided enough all day, I also personally loved the advice to introduce one bottle aday aswell,my dd found the transition really easy when I went onto bottles and formula at a later date because shed always had one so I could feel confident leaving her, the friends I know who didn't had real problems trying to convince their babies later to have one and I found it helped dh bond and give him pleasure aswell

Porn star boobs from a good night frus or oh no not again problem boobs?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 12-Jul-13 10:18:01

Super soaker porn star boobs.

Librarina Fri 12-Jul-13 15:21:19


Does anyone have any tips for transferring a snoozing baby from sling to cot! Mine &#373;akes up and I'd really like to have a nap when she does. I'm giving her extra feeds cos she wakes up upon transferring and she is unable to settle herself.

Frus. Your boobs may be huge but at least they are even...my boobs are wonky! She likes the left one best and it is noticeably bigger! I'm going to have to get just one chicken fillet!

Tricky, tricky lib I'm afraid I haven't perfected that one yet. We usually end up doing extra feeds to re-settle as well.

Mine are lopsided too (same sides as you). I think M likes the left better because it makes more milk and it flows faster and longer than the right. Despite me trying to feed her 2x more often on the right than the left to even them out, they've always done this when I've fed the kids. confused It looks even worse when we're done bf'ing and they go down to piddly nothings (with the right being absolutely nothing). I'm enjoying the fact that I have boobs right now, can you tell? grin!

Jojobump1986 Fri 12-Jul-13 19:03:59

What sling do you use? I'm currently using a pashmina with rings (available on eBay) so I can just support his body, remove the adjustable end from the rings & lay him down on the pashmina, with the ends tucked out of the way. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't! Sometimes it's too hot to put him in the sling at all & the children take it in turns to settle/scream so as soon as you get one down the other one screams & wakes them up again & you spend all day running between them until you give up, ignore the toddler, since he's safe in his cot, cuddle the baby & fall asleep on the sofa instead of cooking dinner!

Bad. Day.

peardrop2 Fri 12-Jul-13 19:34:12

JoJo I'm with you there wink attempted to cook a lovely meal for DH but baby boy woke up and sausages are uncooked sitting under the grill shock

thanks Jojo
How are the boobs now frus?
Lib no idea! I too use feeding to settle again if necessary
How did you get on pear?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 12-Jul-13 21:44:12

I have a sad little boy. He's been feeding since 3.30 when I got in, and won't let me put him down. If I unlatch him I get the sad face and heart wrenching cries.
My nipples are killing me!
I seem to have a blocked duct on each side. The left from his fist and the right from his nose. Lol.

I predict super-soaker boobs in the morning. if he gives them a chance to refil

I had a lovely home cooked tea well it would be if I lived at the chippy wink

peardrop2 Fri 12-Jul-13 22:23:44

How did I get on?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 12-Jul-13 23:01:29

P.F.E.W.! J is finally asleep in his cot.

At the gp pear, did they think he has reflux?
Well done frus! Hope he gives you a good sleep now, dd has just done 7:30-3:30, she's asleep now and I'm nothmm
Anyone hitting the next sale?

peardrop2 Sat 13-Jul-13 04:43:17

Kitty ~ that's weird. I replied to your message. Must have got lost in cyber space. Yes the Dr confirmed its reflux and now have to give him Gaviscon before every feed hmm

peardrop2 Sat 13-Jul-13 04:45:17

I looked at the Next preview sale for baby boys and it only had a couple of items. That always happens when I click on preview sale..must be doing something wrong!

Do you have a special preview slot for members? If not then I think they don't put everything on, I don't either do not 100% sure, I'm going when I've fed the monkey dh is off so its an excuse for a break wink

Lorelei353 Sat 13-Jul-13 09:39:04

Good morning. Going to be a challenge of a day I think. Temps in London going over 30 degrees shock DS is going to be a thirsted boy. Trying to get lots of water down me now.

Librarina Sat 13-Jul-13 15:59:57

Glad you lot are 'Feed to sleep'ers as well. My mum got me worried about the co sleeping and feeding on demand that she'll never settle herself or sleep on her own, and I need her to do that one day.

It's hot here too Lor but N seems to respond by sleeping through it so I worry about her not getting enough liquids.

My thrush is back, only finished the 10 day course yesterday but I felt the familiar stabbing in my nipples this morning. Our local NHS Walkin centre has closed so ended up at A&E to get a repeat prescription. Hope it kicks in soon. I can't believe I have to boil my bras in vinegar again! I'm going to minimise the sugar intake, so as not to feed the little blighters.

I completely missed the Next Sale! Not that she needs anything really but it would have been nice to look for something pretty for her!

Babies are in a spot of life right now where their needs and their wants are exactly the same so it's virtually impossible to spoil them by feeding on demand and being close to them. It's such an old-fashioned and victorian way of thinking to assume that you can spoil such a helpless person by giving them the things that they need.

sad lib that's not good! I'm starting to worry that I've got it now too.

You were best avoiding, I went at 7 and it was so quiet I ended up spending £200 shock in my defense I bought for my sis kids aswell as she can never be bothered to go but even so, some really lovely things though I came back so happy lol I get great pleasure from shoping smile

Jojobump1986 Sat 13-Jul-13 19:59:23

I went shopping earlier... Avoided Next like the plague & ended up feeling like banging my head against the wall by the time I got home! I hate shopping!

On a related note, has anyone else been on the better bra campaign threads that have been on Style & Beauty recently? I popped in to be nosy a couple of days ago & according to their measurement method I'm not a 36D, I'm a 30FF! I knew I hadn't been wearing the right size but that was a revelation! It took me ages to find a bra in the right size but I think once I get used to wires again it'll be really comfy! I'm going to order some nursing bras on eBay. Hopefully this'll solve my recent engorgement/blocked ducts problem! smile

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 13-Jul-13 20:21:25

lib is dd being treated for thrush too?

peardrop2 Sat 13-Jul-13 20:30:52

Aww Kitty I'm envious of your shopping spree! Did you buy lots of dresses and pink items? grin

JoJo I need a new bra too hmm I must force myself to book a M&S fitting...ahh I hated going there. Hmmm maybe I should try JoJo mama next time. I may call to see if they do fittings.

Jojobump1986 Sat 13-Jul-13 20:45:58

Noooo! Don't go to M&S! They're notoriously bad! Do you have a John Lewis or Bravissimo near you? I hear they're the best but it's really easy to do yourself. Measure around under the bust, pulling the tape in firmly - that's your chest size. Then lean right forward & measure around the widest part of the bust. Take the smaller size away from the larger & count up through the sizes - 1 cup size for every inch difference, starting from 1"= A. This will give you your starting size & you should try a few different sizes around that size to get the best fit.

For example, my measurements are 30" under & 37" across which puts me at a 30F (A, B, C, D, DD, E, F) but I tried the F & it wasn't quite right but the FF was much better!

DH isn't half as excited about my new size as I am - it just means I'm going to have to buy all new bras!

Lorelei353 Sat 13-Jul-13 21:24:44

I went for a great fitting last year and discovered I wasn't a 34c/36b but actually a 32e! That said I'm a 34g/ff now. No bras are comfortable at the moment and I'd love to be able to not wear a bra for a while - especially in bed.

I'm sure my bras are probably the wrong size but as they are maternity and I have enough I'm not going to but anymore, hate wasting money on things you can't see lol
Is anyone not wearing one at night? I am and did the whole time I bf last time too
No pear not much pink, but lots of butterfly's! Got some gorgeous charcoal and white things too with giraffes and elephants on, so cute! To be honest I buy more for dd1 as she has so much dd2 inherited a mammoth wardrobe anyway but did get a few matching things smile
Oh I need to loose weight now, have realised I'm fat I think I have actually gained weight since birth?! Dam the peanut butter lion bars

Jojobump1986 Sat 13-Jul-13 21:57:41

I can't not wear one. I even had to stop while trying on bras & stand around topless in the changing room clutching my breast pads against myself waiting for the dripping to stop! sad I should really get some night bras that fit. The ones I bought last time are too tight now so I'm having to wear my blah mothercare ones 24-7! Can't wait to get comfy ones that actually fit!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 14-Jul-13 00:39:21

kitty I've put on weight post birth too.

I've given up wearing a bra to bed. It's too hot and restrictive. I hate tight things at night And 32months of breast feeding means that when I lie on my side they fall out anyway. they just want to be freeeeee
I sleep on a folded bath sheet size towel. And have pads hanging about in easy reach for when I feed.

peardrop2 Sun 14-Jul-13 04:23:09

Oooo a Lion peanut butter bar sounds nice :-) Your clothes sound lovely kitty! I am also not wearing a bra to bed. I don't have enough milk to leak though hmm

Thanks JoJo for your bra fitting tips. I have a John Lewis about 45mins away so I could go there. I'll give them a call to check their selection first before trekking all that way.

Baby pear has just slept 2.5 hours in his own bed grin but on his front shock I know it's not the end of the world but tummy sleeping really puts me on edge. A massive Yay to finally having sleep though!! I actually feel like I've had some quality sleep for a change!

Pear, they are amazing, they are like Reece's nutrageous but nicer and you can only get them in home and bargins and they are only 29p!!! I've eaten a fair fewblush
Just weighed myself and not put any on but not lost any and considering I've fed a whole other person for 2 months I think you can tell I've been greedy, Ive got a stone to loose to get to my pre birth weight and a stone and a half for my really happy weight
Yeay pear for sleep, just wait till he gives you 5hrs, you'll be totally rejuvenated lol

peardrop2 Sun 14-Jul-13 07:50:48

Kitty ~ I want one! Wish we had a home and bargains near us! Baby pear did another 2.5hrs!! Please may this continue!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 14-Jul-13 08:05:54

I want one too. also don't have a home bargains

I don't know how long j sleeps. I never look at the time in the night.

Jojobump1986 Sun 14-Jul-13 08:50:29

I know exactly how long DS2 goes between feeds... My app tells me! I have been heard to say, "Hang on, I can't feed him yet. My app is still loading!" I even get frustrated that it only times to the nearest minute. It should be in seconds to be more accurate! <Scientist> blush

peardrop2 Sun 14-Jul-13 08:53:24

Yeah I time feeds too on my app. I've become a bit obsessed with all this timing but it helps me feel like I'm still in control. Even if I'm not wink

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 14-Jul-13 10:08:39

Why do you time feeds?

Lorelei353 Sun 14-Jul-13 10:52:52

I was timing all feeds (duration and time between feeds) when the midwives had us on a bit of a strict feeding plan when DS initially lost too much weight. Don't bother anymore though. He's feeding plenty and I'm doing it on demand so he's definitely getting enough. Nothing resembling patterns at present but he's still only 4 weeks old.

peardrop2 Sun 14-Jul-13 10:53:23

It started because I wanted to know how long he was feeding for and it reminds me which side I last fed on.

peardrop2 Sun 14-Jul-13 10:54:34

Oh and I'm trying to get him in a 3hr feeding pattern so it will help me monitor that

I've never timed frus although I make sure u feed her every 3/4hrs in the day, I know what you mean about remembering which side though, I always forget then just cup them and give them a jiggle to see if one feels fuller lol
I always check what time it is when she wakes up so I can gage if she will give me a lie in (6:30 onwards lol) the longest she has gone for is 7:30-3:30 so 8hrs

I briefly glance at the clock at night, more to try to convince myself that I got a great stretch of sleep rather than timing feeds for her benefit. She doesn't go more than 2 hrs during the day between feeds and she is getting to be a chunker!

I forgot to tell you guys that I've been donating milk to a mama and baby who are related to a midwife in my community. The mama had a horrific birth, the baby ended getting an infection and was in the special nursery for a week, and the mama hasn't been able to express any milk at all for some reason.... so it's been pretty cool to be able to use this ridiculous knack for making way too much milk for another tiny person who needs it.

I am also a cup-and-feeler to determine which side to feed from even in public. grin

Yeah.....<glances around> I think I've def got the smallest boobies in the group.... hmm

Bring I do it in public too lol
I bet your not mine arnt massive at all 34c although that was debatable after bf dd1 maybe smaller but I didn't get measured, I'm only in 34d and 34dd bras now, I bet your bigger then me!
Little chunk he he you must be providing some tasty milk I still wake dd up atleast once aday for food but she does wake more often then not exactly when I usually feed her
How great your able to help another little one, there's no way I'd be able to produce enough to do that

Librarina Sun 14-Jul-13 17:14:45

Noranoo has been a little grumpy guzzler today. Some way to celebrate her 4 weeks birthday! She will only sleep in the sling or in bed with me. She sobbed when I tried to transfer her earlier, despite sleeping through me preparing a batch of midnight Breastfeeding flapjacks!

I'm in the sleep bra-less camp. In fact I'm permanently bra-less until this Thrush gets sorted (see, I told you I was turning into a hippy!) as I can't face boiling my lovely new nursing bras in vinegar, so I'm not wearing them unit I know we're clear! We are both being treated but its a dreary process. I hate my nipples and I'm not that keen on Breastfeeding.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 14-Jul-13 17:37:20

I just look at them, I'm sporting the lopsided look today. If its not obvious I poke them. yup in public too

It's great that you can share and help bring

peardrop2 Sun 14-Jul-13 18:26:44

Aww bring, well done you for doing such a wonderful act of kindness smile

peardrop2 Sun 14-Jul-13 18:49:39

Has anybody else's DH adopted leaving a rubbish programme on TV whilst you're bf and then walks out the room with the controls out of reach of you? Grrrr hmm

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 14-Jul-13 19:19:28

Ha ha! Yes! pear

For the 1st time in my life I have had a bra-less day. --can't wear a nursing bra with a halter neck summer top, so stuck the breast pads to the top. Finding it kind of funny that I have droopy lopsided cleavage.

Hahah yes pear mine does it all the time! Or....he'll steal my laptop from me when he sees that baby is feeding and look so surprised that I was actually looking at something.

Boo, I can't go braless. I've got the leaks under control for the days, but they leak like nobody's business at night. I'm a 34C whilst feeding and down to a 34A-AA when not. blush. I miss my 21 year old perky B's.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 14-Jul-13 20:20:41

bring at 21 I was a B cup. Only developed proper d/dd boobs with dd1, and luckily they didn't leave when I stopped feeding.
I have serious leakage at night.

peardrop2 Sun 14-Jul-13 20:45:44

Hah hah glad its not just me then! grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 14-Jul-13 21:13:53

I just got left with tv channel with naff signal, no controllers, milk-drunk sleeping baby on me, and feet in a foot spa. Thanks DH.

Jojobump1986 Sun 14-Jul-13 23:26:32

Frus I time the feeds because I'm nosy & because I miss my days doing physics experiments at uni. Never really understood the science behind it but I always loved timing things, writing them down & noticing patterns. grin He feeds whenever he wants, for as long as he wants... & I observe him like he's the subject of my experiment! blush

I wanna be bra-less! I'm fed up of them constantly being too warm & moist! I can't though. My let down is completely unpredictable & I drip 1/4 - 1/2oz just randomly! Sooo annoying!

On the bright side, like bring, I'm planning to donate my milk. I contacted the local milk bank before DS2 was born & they said I'd need to get back in touch once he was 6 weeks as they don't accept milk before then & they like to have the blood tests done as close to the start of donation as possible. DS2 is 5 weeks today & I'm trying to contain my excitement! I'm swinging wildly between waiting until 6 weeks like I was told to do & contacting them now to arrange an appointment for next week! I'll probably email towards the end of this week. I could probably feed the entire NICU with just my drippage! May be a slight exaggeration! wink

We don't have a tv so I don't have that problem & because I time the feeds I always have my phone with me to entertain me!

Lol oh frus that doesn't sound good at all.

That's odd that they make you wait 6 weeks, Jo. The early milk would be more suitable for babies in NICU. I'm excited to have a fellow donator smile This is the 3rd baby that I've "fed" through donation. There were two babies while I was feeding DS#2. It's pretty cool to be able to help out families!

Jojobump1986 Mon 15-Jul-13 00:40:46

I think the idea is to make sure you've established your own feeding routine & your baby is growing well. I did offer them my antenatal colostrum but they didn't want that either! hmm

I'm bra-less & sleeping on a towel! grin & going to be damp, sticky & smelly by the morning!

Librarina Mon 15-Jul-13 04:26:30

Hello nighttime. Babber is having a marathon feed. She has a snuffle and a tiny cough...it is surprisingly cute but of course a little worrying.

I had to wake her up to feed her as my troublesome right boob (her not favourite side) was hurting me so much. And now she won't stop. And she's poo'd, and it smells!

peardrop2 Mon 15-Jul-13 06:23:29

Lib that doesn't sound fun shock especially the having to wake the baby up! That's double torture having to wake a sleepy baby when all you want to do is sleep yourself!

JoJo another wonderful giver! I'm very envious of your milk supply. I glare at the unused box of breast pads in the changing room and wonder whether they will come in use when weaning! Probably not!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 15-Jul-13 06:45:55

Morning. I looked at my phone last night and 1 feed involved 1 and the other 4. I don't know how long they lasted. The 4ish one lasted long enough for me to read new posts here amd write "morning lol" before the baby magician clicked his finger and said "and sleep". grin
The 1am was more frantic, and after nearly 5 hours sleep him not me he did angry feeding. Like he was cross with my boobs that they'd dared to let him go so long without feeding, and he was adament he was going to drink as much as he could as quickly as he could to make up for it. [baby piggy smiley]

I am rather sad and envy of the tiny babies, 5weeks sounds so small and long ago. And not helped at all by the fact that I'm going to have to move him up into 3-6 vests and sleepsuits because of his length. sad

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 15-Jul-13 06:49:04

pear don't worry about having non-leaky boobs. I didn't leak at all with dd2 and she feed and grew well.

Love that you tried to time last night frus lol
Dd2 still asleep blush a good night for her 7:30,3:30 and well when she wakes up now although I think it will be any minute, my right boob the one she didn't use at 3:30 has just been leaking and Is very porn star, I refuse to wake child though, I'd rather leakgrin ( do you think it leaks when it's full or when you think about them?)
Dh though is very much in bad books, this is his 4th day off although ofcourse no offer for me to have a night off even though he's been in the spare room for 2 weeks! His responsibility is dd1 though, well did he get her when she woke at 12:15 from the heat? No! And while we probably could have left her as all I did was say it nighttime sweetie lie down I was worried shed wake dd2 and then this morning baring in mind he's now slept all night uninterrupted the lazy twat didn't get up to her at 6:45 when she's woken up and believe me I left it 5 mins to see if he would, I had to go get her then go into dh room and nudge wack him in the arm to have her, it's things like this that really piss me off particulaly as I had taken both girls out yesterday to car boot and to play at nanas so he had 5 hrs to himself ( used productively playing the Xbox again ofcourse!)angry

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 15-Jul-13 07:43:35

kitty I get letdown when I think about them, or when I hear the right type of baby cry not every baby, it has to sound right Dd2s cry also does it.

kitty I'd remove the fuse from the x-box have done this before, I now don't allow them in the house angry for you.

Ds is now feeding again, or would be if he wasn't lying there grinning and eyes rolling with a nipple hanging out of his mouth like some drunk. grin

You paint a wonderful picture frus grin

peardrop2 Mon 15-Jul-13 08:42:30

Kitty that sounds like my DH lol He says he never hears the crying from the spare room. I don't believe him hmm Sometimes I feel like bursting into his room sound of music style grin I'm being naughty though as he works really long hours and helps out loads when he's around and awake!

Frus how big is your baby now? Baby pear must be at the 10lbs mark now. He's still wearing a couple of his newborn clothes from the shops that have large sizes but most of his clothing is 0-3 months now. It's hard to say goodbye isn't it. I'm in denial and refusing to pack his tiny baby size clothes up wink

peardrop2 Mon 15-Jul-13 09:17:29

Why can you not get takeaway breakfast? Really need it! However I'd still have to answer the door and leave the bedroom blush

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 15-Jul-13 09:39:11

My DH can sleep through anything. not helped by wearing headphones <rolls eyes>

Ds is now almost 9 weeks, and well over 11lb last time weighed 2 wks ago I love them when they are tiny newborn, and the attention he i get when we're out.
Don't know how long he is. They don't correct their size if born after 37wks, 3 days earlier and he'd be corrected, so his percentile on the charts isn't a true reflection of his size. It's below the 50th, but corrected is around the 90th, which is more realistic.

Pear the spare room is next to dd1s bedroom, mine is across the corridor and I had the door shut, I still heard her!
Baby kitty was 10lb7 at our 71/2 wk check, she couldn't get into the newborn from the day she was born as she's so long, unless they don't have feet, even then they strain on her body! The first baby grow I took to the hospital didn't fit her and dd1 had worn it for a good month, we are in the up to 3 months already!shock

All I ever get is "is it a boy or girl" and hasn't she got alot of hail! Lol

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 15-Jul-13 10:31:58

It must be hot if at 10am I choose to feed ds in the change room in a department store because its cooler than the cafe.

Jojobump1986 Mon 15-Jul-13 10:49:59

I leak when I think about them too... Or when I touch my breasts or accidentally brush past my nipples or when either of them cry or when DS2 will need feeding soon or for absolutely no obvious reason just half an hour after he's finished a feed! hmm

My DH is a heavy sleeper too. It's ok though because we usually only have 1 night feed & generally DS2 will settle without even needing a nappy change so I'm only awake for half an hour. DH needs to be left to sleep through because we're still struggling to adjust/get organised enough to get to bed at a sensible time & he's got to get up & go to work on only 5-6 hours sleep anyway! Poor bloke! I woke up at the same time as him today after sleeping 12.30-6! but am only about to get up now! blush DS1 took ages to settle after getting over excited by PILs visiting so I left him to sleep this morning & he's only just started making noises now! Crazy!

I've been v productive though! PILs have some concerns about BIL where's places when you need her?! & asked for my advice because I have a lot more knowledge & experience of mental health issues than them so I've spent the morning writing a 'how to support him' guide for them! I love psychology & seriously considered becoming an educational psychologist at one point but got scared off by people telling me it's a difficult course & a draining career. I'm really glad that my knowledge can help them & just stunned that they asked for my advice! I was under the impression that FIL knew everything there was to know about everything! wink I'm desperately trying to hide my excitement about all this from them - I felt the need to explain my apparent gleefulness at his brother's difficulties to DH last night but he understood when I told him that I see people the way he sees buildings - I'm fascinated by the way they're 'put together' & get excited about understanding how they work. I'm not rejoicing in his brother's despair anymore that he'd be 'rejoicing' if a building fell down & he could look at it & figure out why. We both like solving 'puzzles', his are made of steel & concrete & mine are rather more organic! grin

peardrop2 Mon 15-Jul-13 11:03:13

Wow I thought I had a long baby but your babies sound super long :-) Kitty sounds like you're about 1lb ahead of me as baby Pear was 9lbs7 last week at 7 weeks.

It's crazy hot sad

Are you not on fb pear we have a secret group and there are pics of all the babies, it's really nice to see them all although we probably need to update them now!
Yes dd2 is very long especially compared to her little big sis! Gp asked how tall dh was when we measured her last thur lol
Jojo 10:40 blinking heck did you drug him?? Dd1 is waking at between 6-7 in this heat and light streaming in

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 15-Jul-13 12:23:25

They still wake up wary if you drug them kitty you can get them to sleep but not to stay asleep.

Out the door for the first outing with 3 kids. <gulp> We'll see how this goes.

M is already fussing in her carseat...

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 15-Jul-13 17:05:24

Good luck bring it'll be fine.

Ok. It actually went really well. I think once you tackle two kids in public, 3 really isn't that much worse.

Ok so this is a weird thing to gate crash come onto a post natal thread to say, but I foolishly think of you all as my lovely friends over here. I got a bfp today. Can't believe it- it's been such a dark few months for me, but its a small step in the right direction!

Hope you're all well and bubs are doing great x

Oh thunder gringringringringrin so so happy for you, how fantastic
Ofcourse you had to come and tell us, we would have had to track you down to scold you otherwise!
Stay with us, we always kept your seat < dusts off a seat next to the isle, for running to loo>

peardrop2 Mon 15-Jul-13 21:09:06

Yay Thunder grin Congratulations on your BFP!!!

OK baby pear has been sucking like mad and I now have clear blisters on my right nipple. It doesn't hurt now but I'm thinking its about to hmm

peardrop2 Mon 15-Jul-13 21:20:14

Take that back. It does hurt hmm OMG why now!?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 15-Jul-13 21:24:20

Ouch pear

Yay yay yay thund !!!!' grin grin grin grin grin

Jojobump1986 Mon 15-Jul-13 21:35:36

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! grin grin grin

Congrats thunder!!! So excited for you! I absolutely did not burst into tears reading your post. <denial> Ridiculous hormones! Yes, you stay put now. We've got space for a few more babies on this bus yet! wink

We're all friends on Facebook now - feel free to come join us so you can see our babies & we can see yours in 9 months time! grin Let me know if you want to. I'm sure I can cyber-stalk you & add you to our group! <Creepy>

Blisters on your nipples confused ow ow ow
How bad is it??

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 15-Jul-13 21:42:13

<chants> jojo is a cyber stalker. * thund* have you run up and down any stairs? Counted your monties? Poked yourself in the boob until it hurts? grin
So happy for you.

peardrop2 Mon 15-Jul-13 21:42:55

Pretty bad hmm His reflux has been bad today so he's been sucking more than usual. They felt a bit sore so I looked down and there they're shock

God I don't know how you are going to deal with that ontop you poor thing, have you got a pump? Would expressing hurt them less? Is it just one side?

peardrop2 Mon 15-Jul-13 23:29:45

Yes I've got an electric pump. I'll have to dig out the bits again. Not one of my best days, really annoyed this had happened just when I was starting to get some sleep hmm

peardrop2 Mon 15-Jul-13 23:37:16

Only the right side is effected. He's been crying for the last 1.5hrs and has just drifted off to sleep. It's going to be one of those nights I can tell hmm

OMG so so so so happy for you Thunder!!!!!! I actually gasped and had to tell DH who was like "Who?" I'm like, "THUNDER!". He got up and walked away with an eyeroll. grin. Seriously, come join us on facebook! We need weekly daily updates on how you're doing! Have you had any symptoms or just a late af?

Oh pear sad. Ouch! Those hurt like a mother-f. I hope you can get some sleep tonight. I agree with kitty in that expressing the affected side for a day can help them go away.

peardrop2 Mon 15-Jul-13 23:52:07

Bring, why has this happened? Is it the vigorous sucking or the heat that has caused this? Or both? DH thinks I should go to the doctor but what will they do? Nothing they can do surely? Arrrrgh it's just problem after problem! Feeling angry and sad

peardrop2 Tue 16-Jul-13 00:20:26

Kitty ~ Alison says if they don't go away they will have to be punctured with a sterile needle. OMG :-(

Usually the blisters happen from a poor latch and baby suckling on the actual nipple instead of the areola. They are different from a milk blister (or bleb) which in that case, yes, blebs do have to be punctured sometimes to relieve the blocked milk. If they are just clear and at the tip of the nipple, they should resolve after a day of expressing milk -or- having an exceptional latch where he can't suck on the tip of the nipple again.

peardrop2 Tue 16-Jul-13 04:35:25

Ahh I see. That doesn't sound fun! As you both suggested I have just pumped 90ml from right side. Maybe I can entice him to take a bottle today as he's been refusing when DH tries. The midwife told us only DH should ever try to avoid confusion but I think we're past that point now. This boy is not stupid. He definitely knows the difference between me and the bottle!

peardrop2 Tue 16-Jul-13 07:20:07

Does anyone else find that their electric pumps suction cup quickly becomes misty making it hard to see if Milk is coming out? I love my Medula pump (as much as you can love a pump hmm) but its v annoying when I can't see what's going on.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 16-Jul-13 07:21:41

Morning night shifters. I just had 11-3. <--- and then I fell asleep. Had a feed just before 6. And now he's on his 1st breakfast; which is a relief because I had milk rivers.

So if we time from starts of feeds we get 4hrs between feeds at night.

Pear he will know the difference the little buggars are clever but my dd will the take the bottle from dh no problem, when its me she fusses with it and messes and try's to get the nipple so I do think it helps if they can't smell/sence your milk! Dd has only just started this this last week but its the same when I try to settle her and know she doesn't need feeding, she bobs around like a wood pecker while when dh picks her up she goes oh yes I just need to sleep confused
I hope the blisters improve quickly and they are the kind bring mentions that should just go, the needle sounds v nasty but I imagine like when you pop it on your foot or hand, it sounds like it will hurt but doesn't, fx atleast it's just one side to express but its another complication you don't need!
( pear look away now)
Dd was a little star last night 7:30-4:30 felt so good to get that straight patch of sleep, the funny thing is she still woke up again just after 7 so doesn't lie in any longer but hopefully just means she will drop it soon and just wake at 6/7 ( pear I promise I didn't have it this easy with the first! It was at wk8 I was crying on the phone to dh telling him to come home from work as I couldn't take it anymore after 8hrs of crying, this bit does get easier!)

Pear no mine stays clear, it's the avent one but I don't think mine is the best, I just bought it at the baby show as it was on offer, I do like seeing how much comes out though your right lol

Oh and lol at bring and telling dh about thunder grin I did the same and he just looked at me like so a women you don't know is pregnant.... And???
Men just don't get itwink

Jojobump1986 Tue 16-Jul-13 09:33:15

I told my DH too: "Oh wow! smile So anyway..." Pff. Men!

Librarina Tue 16-Jul-13 10:10:56

Thunder got her BFP!!!. I couldn't be happier if someone I knew in real life told me they were having a baby... We need some new blood in the bus.

Well I'm having another day of laundry and dabbing my nips in sidium bicarbonate. I'm going to nuke this thrush once and for all. I feel well fortified tho cos DH went into work late today so slung N from 6 to 9 so I got an amazing lie in. Also it was our first night of 3 in a bed and it was lovely!

peardrop2 Tue 16-Jul-13 12:32:00

Lib ~ I really feel for you. Must be really challenging to cope with in this. Heat! hmm Lovely that you all got to sleep in one bedroom again, I can't wait for that day so I know how happy that must be making you feel grin

I'm meant to be meeting friends for lunch but I've got a koala stuck on my left and a pump stuck on my right. We're not going anywhere...sigh sad

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 16-Jul-13 15:30:14

We went swimming just before lunch. It knocked him out; he's only just woken up.

Humph I posted a note earlier and it's disappeared!

Just to say thank you so much for all your lovely words! I'm not getting excited or anything yet- just one moment at a time for me.

I never received the FB group invitation- would love to come and say hi.

And ouch to nipple blisters!!

Librarina Tue 16-Jul-13 16:52:28

My friend has just been to visit with her 3 and 5 year old. They are enormous next to my tiny daughter, and very loud. N, to her credit, fed then slept through the whole visit.

Lorelei353 Tue 16-Jul-13 17:02:13

thunder amazing news! I'm so happy for you and so glad you came to tell us.

Jojobump1986 Tue 16-Jul-13 17:12:11

<Dons Sherlock costume & prepares to cyber-stalk Thunder>

Jojobump1986 Tue 16-Jul-13 17:25:30

Right Thunder, either I've just friend-ed you or there's more than one person with your name in your area & I'm friend-ing completely random people! grin

Hey Thunder you can pm me your email address and I can add you on our fb group (it's secret) or if Jo has added the correct RL Thunder then she can invite you as well.

Have you considered taking apple cider vinegar internally Lib? It's supposed to help with systemic yeast (therefore leading to recurrent thrush). It's like a shot glass worth 2x per day. You can mix it with water or just down the shot. It has to be the cloudy, unfiltered kind though to be the most effective (none of that fancy distilled kind). It helps to balance your body's pH and yeast can't survive in vinegar. It sound worse than it is wink.

Om, yeah, so I think I've got a plugged duct. I have one of those "sleeping nursing bras" that just pull to one side or the other and I think a duct got blocked off last night. So ow. Also, temp outside is 90 degrees already at 12 noon and the heat index is supposed to reach 95 today with all of the humidity. It's so muggy outside that it's not even considered safe to be out there.... but the boys are driving me so bonkers today that they're getting tossed outside with a sprinkler. <safe mum award>

Bring you are such a font of knowledge!
Dd1 has driven me crazy today, thank god I'd had decent sleep last night! Please tell me it is the terrible twos a month early and not my parenting skills or I might cry, why would she try to be naughty all the time confused

bring you said that last time!

Well done jojo, excellent stalking skills. Ahhh look at all those squishy babies! And beautiful mums too - you're a gorgeous bunch x x

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 16-Jul-13 18:59:56

jojo is an amazing cyber stalker. wink
<pretends not to be a cyber stalker>
<hides behind the binaries>

peardrop2 Tue 16-Jul-13 19:14:01

OMG it is 30oC in my bedroom. Maybe this is why I've had such a bad day :-(

What is a private group on FB?

So sorry Thunder! I know I added you by email last time....so not sure if it didn't work? I've just tried it again (ALthough I've just seen that Jo may have beat me to it smile Excellent stalking skills!).

Pear It's a group that only the ladies from the Luxury Bus are on, and no one else can see who we are or what we post without being part of the group. Wanna join? <wink, wink> I guess I suck at adding people for some reason, so maybe one of the more experienced stalkers could add pear if she wants to join?

Def the the 2's kitty. Ds1 picked them up very early!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 16-Jul-13 19:30:08

Invite only. And only visible to members.

32oC in my living room dread to know what it is in my bedroom

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 16-Jul-13 19:39:31

32.3 in my room, 33.8oC in dds rooms. Ugh. Melting

Right. M will NOT let me put her down at all today. It's way too hot to put on a sling or wrap so we're planted on the couch (which is leather and therefore I'm sticking to it) with her on my chest. We've resorted to watching Mulan and I'm alternating between mn, fb and twitter. Is it really only tuesday?

Librarina Tue 16-Jul-13 20:26:45

Oh yes it's only Tuesday.
I don't know how hot it is here but I know it's grumpy-making and I've been regretting the leather sofa for days.

I just thought it was funny to make the baby fart in the bath...until the cute little bubbles turned to rivers of poo. I just bathed in poo!

Thanks for the cider vinegar tip Bring, I'll try that tomorrow, your other suggestions have worked well for me so happy to try it xxx

Lol! At least it's dissolvable in water.... grin.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 16-Jul-13 20:44:33

lib how do you make a baby fart? Serious question to deflect and distract from my laughter at "I just bathed in poo".

It's Wednesday tomorrow bring Cartoon or film?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 16-Jul-13 20:46:29

<still giggling at lib bathing in little flecks of yellow poo.> never happened to me wink

Well....tomorrow we are heading to a cafe that has a buttload (I couldn't think of a better word for it) of toys that the boys are happy to play with for a few hrs and I'm looking forward to seeing my good friend who just wants baby cuddles and to tell me about the last 3 crazy births she's been to as a student. I can't wait to hear about them! Feeling so out of the birthwork loop.

Jojobump1986 Tue 16-Jul-13 21:47:06

Yes, I am an incredible cyber-stalker... It had absolutely nothing to do with Thunder PMing me her name & address months ago so I could send her my spare FRER! wink

Pear if I had your name & address I could probably stalk you too if you want! grin

<Arf> @ rivers of poo! I'm about to take a bath with DS2 after we've coated his hands/feet in paint for posterity purposes! We meant to do it a week ago! For DS1 we did hand/footprints at 1m, 3m, 6m, 9m, 12m, 18m & will do them on his birthday every year from now until forever! Or until he's too big to pin down! We'll just pretend that we've done it on time for DS2. He'll never know!

Being I'm jeleous of your Mulan sofa day! why won't dd1 let me do that
When are children old enough that I can parent them with Disney films??
"Bathed in poo" he he he

Being?! Bring I've changed your name, I'm sure you have no idea what being a trumpet would be like

peardrop2 Tue 16-Jul-13 22:43:55

Baby Pear is in his own bed at 10:30pm! Please please please may this be a long sleep smile

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 16-Jul-13 22:49:37

hmm my post vanished too.

Fx pear

Lol! That actually made me laugh (and then DS1 was like "what's so funny mum!?"). I don't remember when the boys started getting excited about movies. Probably around 2-3ish? Now it's a lovely thing to share together use as a babysitter

How are the nips feeling pear?

peardrop2 Wed 17-Jul-13 01:26:22

Ok I need baby to wake up I'm bursting!

Being ~ someone suggested I keep feeding and ride through it. I gave it a go and it seems to be mending itself. I thought it would be too painful to feed but its OK. Thanks for asking smile

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 17-Jul-13 02:53:01

I have a wide awake ds. Lying on my bed kicking and talking. How can I ignore him when it's finally cool enough to function?

Jojobump1986 Wed 17-Jul-13 06:58:19

DS2 is still asleep! He last fed at 10.40pm! He keeps fidgeting but hasn't woken up properly. I've expressed & now I'm wondering if I should put the milk in the fridge. I want to poke him. If I'm awake then he jolly well should be too! He can't sleep for much longer... Can he?!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 17-Jul-13 07:11:57

Morning jojo I'd stick it in the fridge (because of the heat)
I have a wide awake little boy, who's kicking and cooing and smiling to himself.
And a dd2 who by 6am had already painted the bathroom door and door handles with my mascara.

What time did he sleep till pear?
Dd1 has just caused me milk rivers by clambering over my boobs, ow and yuck

Wow Jojo that's a good night for you! Let him sleep for as long as you can lol
Oh frus the madness has already begun huh, dd1 is now chasing the cat and has woken dd2

peardrop2 Wed 17-Jul-13 07:35:00

Kitty ~ I prodded him at 2:15 for an early 3am feed, I could not wait any longer!! Then he went straight back to sleep and woke up just after 6 for his 6am feed. 4 days in a row with sleep...can I start celebrating yet grin

Frus ~ oh my! Can't help but smile at the thought of your mascara door...at such an early hour too!

I really need to buy a baby sun hat today if this is carrying on until August. Can't keep putting it off!

peardrop2 Wed 17-Jul-13 07:35:59

JoJo don't wake him. You'll regret it!

Librarina Wed 17-Jul-13 07:58:58

You make a baby fart by cycling their legs in warm water, or bring their feet up to their tummies in baby lotus. Am now a bit worried that I broke her as she hasn't pooed all night and is wriggly and grumpy faced.

I'm in awe of you who know what times your babies feed, I still seem to be shoving in random boobs willy nilly.

Pear!!! What were you doing waking him naughty girl, I think you can definatly start to celebrate, looks like the meds and you perservering has paid off, your boobs will get used to being less full if he doesn't need it don't worry
Lib I just feed dd at whatever time she wakes in the night, I try to stick to set times in the day but sometimes she likes an extra one

I'm sure you havnt broken hergrin

Jojobump1986 Wed 17-Jul-13 08:21:05

kitty it would've been a fab night if I'd got to bed before 1am! DH & I had a bit of a tiff - both rather tired & his anxiety issues are taking their toll on both of us & I got a bit frustrated about his 'it'll get better eventually' attitude & insisted gently & calmly suggested that he absolutely had to might like to re-consider his support options & seek professional help sooner rather than later before he drags me down with him! Not incredibly supportive or helpful, I know, but I think he did need to be told that his attitude was having an effect on the whole family & it's not really good enough to just wait it out leaving me to hold the whole family together while still trying to adjust myself! I think he understood my point, even if I didn't present it in the gentlest of ways! He was v sweet & brought me tea & bread in bed before he left this morning - that's a bit more like the man I married than the wounded puppy who's been wandering aimlessly around the house recently! smile

I gave in & woke DS2! blush I couldn't stand just sitting here waiting to see if he woke up & I didn't want to settle myself back to sleep & have him wake me up after a few minutes! I don't regret it at all - he had most of his milk, filled his nappy, changed it, finished his milk & is now snoozing again! Perfect baby! grin

Lib I only know what time he feeds because I record all feeds on an app. Wouldn't have the faintest clue what time/side he fed at otherwise! He generally gets fed whenever he starts acting hungry, it just happens to be roughly every 3 hours... Except when it's 8! wink

Jo Jo he's exactly the same as my dd, maybe he'd have gone til even later?? I would always wake them up by 8 though, he sounds like a very good baby dd does 8 hr stretches at night for the last week and 9 yesterday but she's a good few weeks older then you ds isn't she
I think you did the right thing with dh sometimes they need a prod a reminder as to how it can effect those around them aswel x

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 17-Jul-13 08:56:01

Ah. I shall remember not to do that lib grin

That's how I do it lib if in doubt shove it in

peardrop2 Wed 17-Jul-13 09:10:57

Kitty ~ It hurt and I couldn't sleep hmm If I had expressed then they would have been empty when he woke up at 3am. OK I'll try and ride it out if it happens again tonight :-/ Maybe I should express at 10 tonight?

I wouldn't express in the night as like you say you won't know when he might wake and also if you express then your boobs will keep thinking you need it, if he's getting better and better he will go longer and longer so you'll want your boobs to adjust aswell, I do express at 10 as the last feed I give is at 4 or possibly a top up at 5:30 before she wakes at 3ish so it's a long time to go but they still don't leak now as they are used to it ( we use that milk to give her a bottle at 7 before bed) what is he doing feed wise at night, when do your boobs start to get uncomfy?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 17-Jul-13 09:58:43

pear you were only 45minutes early, I often take the excuse of a snuffle to whhop him on if I'm bursting. And imo no harm done if they go straight back to sleep.

I just got told I was a "good girl" for having a boy. grin I don't mind it's his culture

Omg! We just had a poo explosion! Dd2 didn't have one yesterday, well it's come out today like thick yellow korma and its everywhere, even on her cheek, in her ear?! It looks like she's been dunked in shit

peardrop2 Wed 17-Jul-13 11:11:45

Hah hah that is bad kitty. Poop on cheek yuk! Baby pear pooped on DH this morning grin but only on his clothes. To answer your question his last feed was at 8pm for 30mins then I woke him at 2:15am for another 30 minute feed. Rock hard boobs woke me up at 1am. Basically I think what you're saying is tonight I have to ride the pain and last until he wakes. I'm just worried I might explode or even worse get the dreaded M word if I wait too long shock

Jojobump1986 Wed 17-Jul-13 11:39:53

pear Do you have breast shells? They're truly fabulous for taking the edge off the swollen feeling! You just pop them inside your bra for a bit & the slight pressure they exert around the areola encourages let-down & you can then collect the milk & store it for use later, unless the shells have been on for a long time & then it's a contamination risk. The first few times I used them I was so engorged that I dripped 2oz into one shell in 15 minutes! They make you feel soooo much more comfortable though! Might help if you're determined to not wake him. I wouldn't leave him if I was desperate to feed him, personally. The way I see it, it's an adjustment for both of you & it's ok to ease into dropping feeds! Be kind to yourself! smile

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 17-Jul-13 12:10:49

Or express the top off to ease the pain, that way you'll still have plenty left in them to feed. at night my 1st side refills before he's finished the 2nd.

Stood in town getting funny looks for laughing at "dunked in shit" grin

Wow pear he made a drastic improvement then from every 2hrs to over 6 no wonder you were full, because we had no problems dd has just gradually gone longer and longer in the night so ive not had that engorgement really,agree with frus and Jojo the shells are the best but if you havnt got them maybe just take the edge of them with expressing 1 or 2 oz off, I still wouldn't wake him as the aim is to get him to sleep as long as possible at night in the long run but that's just me and there's no right or wrong it's just hit your body hard because its such a big improvement, to be honest they will probably feel better tonight and one more night and they will have adjusted if he hasn't changed, when dd1 first slept through my boobs leaked like mad at 5 in the morning but it only lasted 2 days then that was it
Yes frus it was literally dripping off her and I went to put the nappy in the bin while she was on the mat and came back to dd1 cleaning her with a tea towel confused we just had to put her in the kitchen sunk in the end as it was everywhere you've never seen anything like it, I almost took a pic to put on fb for your enjoyment lol

Does that mean pear he only had one feed last night?? From what you said a few days ago that's wow!!!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 17-Jul-13 14:09:25

Kitty I leak rivers every morning after 5. I had maternity pads pressed to them last night as I couldn't find the breast pads in a hurry. Classy. Goodness knows what DH thought. He wasn't in my good books last night anyway. Stroppily asking in the middle of a middle of night feed if I could turn the light off. I believe "Um. No." Was my answer.

Lorelei353 Wed 17-Jul-13 14:45:54

I'm really engorged come morning. I think it is because he's gradually sleeping longer at night. First feed of the day on each side is such a relief.

I've had a few poo explosions. I bought some new skirts last week as I can't fit into my pre-pregnancy simmer skirts/shorts yet so have nothing to wear in this heat. First day in pretty new skirt poo explosion meant it got covered in poo. Also took out my top and the curtains next to the changing table! shock

peardrop2 Wed 17-Jul-13 14:57:24

Kitty ~ yes, last night was the first time he did only one feed in the night if the 6am feed doesn't count! I know...I'm totally amazed too!

Thanks for everyone's advice. I don't have shells so I'll just express a small bit each side if it gets bad again tonight.

Hah hah all the poo stories are so funny smile

LOL oh my goodness. I just dropped my scrambled eggs on M's head from laughing at "dunked in shit"!

It takes a day or two for your body to adjust to the increase or decrease in milk demand. You can just do a small expression of the milk for comfort (rock hard boobs are not fun trying to sleep through). It's when you completely empty the breast is when you would risk continuing to make the same amount. You have a capacity for making a ton of milk at night so I wouldn't worry too much about being "empty" after expressing milk.

grin at the maternity pads frus!

Update on the hubby: final post-op visit with doc yesterday who took out the disgusting splints out of his nose and we are officially SNORE-FREE! I didn't even know dh was in bed with me last night. Miracle.

peardrop2 Wed 17-Jul-13 14:58:25

Not waking him up otherwise ill have kitty on my doorstep hah hah!

Lol at image if self looking through people's bedroom window for pear armed with a pump! wink
Yes pear if he woke up at 6 that is officially morning therefore he only had one feed, well done baby pear what a good boy you are! I bet you didn't for see that a week ago!
Bring did he have surgery for