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April 2011 - We understand no but we choose to ignore it.

(939 Posts)
ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 18-Jun-13 14:02:40

Welcome Aprilites smile

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 18-Jun-13 14:09:47

It turned out it wasn't chicken pox, so a post viral rash would be my best guess <clueless>

The kitchen floor is being laid today and the units should be arriving today or tomorrow <exciting> The Walls have been painted and the wallpaper should be arriving by the end of the week.

Even though it dh and his blokes doing the work I am heartily sick of having people in the house. They are noisy and dirty and getting on my wick. And we have the living room to do yet ....

YoniHuman Tue 18-Jun-13 14:20:20

No ILike, you must pretend having your kitchen done is much less stress than you imagined (begs the woman who has managed to book hers to start the first Monday of the school hols)

Kittycatcat Tue 18-Jun-13 16:24:45

Thanks for the thread ILIKE

Daisy17 Tue 18-Jun-13 18:59:08

Off out for dinner with two of my NCT group, both of whom are expecting second. Will I be turned before the evening is through?! hmm

GreenFirefly Tue 18-Jun-13 21:35:56

Hello, signing in for the shiny new thread smile

Thankfully the kitchen is the last room that should need doing at this new house, so no rush on that one. I've got a pantry [far too excited], and enough cupboard space to not need to put anything (as yet) on those top shelves that I can't reach.
We did think the bathroom was ok too but DH keeps finding little things that need doing in there - the bath is held up by luck apparently hmm.
He's currently stripping what will be the baby's room and I've just managed to get lots of sticky pictures off the window in there.

Glad you're feeling more like yourself Kitty smile

So, have you been swayed in favour of no.2 Daisy? I'm beginning to be bored of being pregnant, but not ready for a newborn yet. I also seem to have hit the itchy boobs stage blush

morning brew

NandH Wed 19-Jun-13 08:10:34

Hellooo, didn't know there was a April 2011 thread. Can I join grin

What's everyone doing about potty training? I'm under serious pressure from mil!

JKSLtd Wed 19-Jun-13 13:12:10

Popping into say hi again after losing you all, oops.

ILike - i cannot imagine going through a new kttchen whilst staying in the house! good luck!

Firefly - have you managed to move then? yey!

all fine here, dd is a delight & a dictator at the same time...

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 19-Jun-13 14:12:53

Hello NandH, of course you can join everyone is welcome smile

There are a few potty training at the moment. I'm not, ds isn't interested in the slightest.

Of course having a new kitchen isn't stressful AT ALL Yoni <rocks back and forth> It has taken ages because we have done major structural work done too (walls taken out, steel in, new ones put in etc)

Oh, I do love a pantry firefly. The house I grew up in had one and the house I later moved to with my parents had a proper one with air bricks and everything.

lol at delight & dictator - sounds familiar grin

Plonking my bum down, will be back!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Wed 19-Jun-13 20:26:01

Welcome NandH. We're potty training because DD seemed to be ready - she was ripping her nappy off when she needed a wee and plonking herself down on the potty. It's going well at the moment, although bedtime and naptime have become fecking annoying testing. We will see how it goes...

Question for all those you've gone through potty training with their big ones. What did you do about car journeys? I'll obviously try and encourage a potty trip before setting off but do I just accept there will be accidents or should I use pull ups / put something down on the car seat to try and protect it?

I'd ignore any nagging from your MIL though. Parents always seem to have plenty of stories about how their little Johnny was toilet trained at nine months. They can't all be true!

Hope you're getting there with the kitchen ILike. At least you've not got the pox to contend with at the same time!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 19-Jun-13 21:41:15

I've got a thick washable pad that sits in the bottom of the car seat. We put a nappy on ds2 if we thought he would fall asleep in the seat. It's like Russian Roulette!

Ds3 pre school sessions were confirmed today - 2 mornings a week. His first session is the same day as ds2 first day at school. I will be an emotional wreck.

JKSLtd Thu 20-Jun-13 13:18:28

Eek ILike!

DD starts on the Thurs back, so we have a days leeway as the boys go back on Thurs - not that they're doing anything majorly new, but DS2 will have a new teacher for the first time in 2 years so that could be in-ter-est-ing...

DD is in a bed now, we moved her into it a couple of weekends ago. At night she's fine but naptimes are a bit hit and miss. She does seem to be happy to stay in her room though so that suits me fine!

We took down the stairgates/kitchen gate downstairs and have mostly moved her onto open cups, proper plates, normal chair, etc. Though the threat of the high chair is still there for when she fidgets too much!

But she is growing up so fast sad & smile

Kitty - having caught up on the old thread, well done to you for sticking with it and seeing HVs/GPs. I really hope the ADs kick in and work perfectly for you. I was on them back when DS2 was doing very badly and they definitely helped.

Kittycatcat Thu 20-Jun-13 13:26:12

Thanks jks. Saw my hv this am and I scored 8. Was 17 a fortnight ago!

JKSLtd Thu 20-Jun-13 13:32:18

Yey! grin

Daisy17 Thu 20-Jun-13 16:09:06

Hurrah, Kitty, that's brilliant. Had lovely evening with my two pregnant NCT pals. I do feel a bit more like well, if they can do it maybe I could too, esp re the one who found things as difficult as me with her first ......but I'm still majorly on the fence!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Thu 20-Jun-13 22:51:43

smile Kitty - fab news!

Thank for the tip Ilike - I might hunt round for some sort of padding for the car seat in case of accidents.

Kittycatcat Sat 22-Jun-13 16:29:27

Enrolled s in a nursery this morning. He will start, prob in the preschool class, Thursday mornings in September. Yay. I viewed one thurs too but I didn't like it.

YoniHuman Sun 23-Jun-13 01:46:20

I learnt this on another thread, (if it works).
You are all 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟.
And there's even the perfect one for those potty training, 💩
Goodnight All 🌛

I know which thread yoni! 🍫 🍰 🍪

Ps if you aren't using an apple device, sorry! But it's quite cool!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 23-Jun-13 07:56:49


UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 23-Jun-13 07:58:00

Hello! I'm going to have to read that thread... [&#128169;]

Double [[ ]] round the icon UBW!

Kittycatcat Sun 23-Jun-13 08:51:10

I am but they aren't opening confused

Have you go an emoji keyboard kitty?

Kittycatcat Sun 23-Jun-13 09:04:51

I have

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 23-Jun-13 17:11:38

Does it work if I do 🐸

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 23-Jun-13 17:12:44

Yay! 🎉

Kittycatcat Sun 23-Jun-13 17:14:49


🐣 is cute!

Kitty, are you using the app? Or web version?


Doesn't work using the app the?? Is done of the app.

Kittycatcat Sun 23-Jun-13 19:30:55

App. It says safari can't open.

Hmm, that's odd then. I'm sorry I'm stumped.

Ps kitty, looking fab at the race for life! Well done!

Kittycatcat Sun 23-Jun-13 19:35:32

Thanks fizz grin

JKSLtd Sun 23-Jun-13 20:25:54

i have no idea what you're talking about, all i can see is little boxes confused

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 23-Jun-13 20:49:30

Forget all these little emoticons (also known as annoying little boxes if you're not on an iPhone/Pad grin) - has anybody else been enjoying the saga of the BOBs as much as me?

I was actually CRYING with laughter at the OP's last installment. No idea why the thought of them driving off with the poster obstructing the rear view mirror has amused me so much. Clearly I need to get out more!

In my defence, we're not having a great weekend. DD is feeling extremely sorry for herself, as am I (for both her and me). Pass me the wine please...

JKSLtd Sun 23-Jun-13 21:03:37

Hmm, i couldn't see them on my phone either.

Have been following the BOB threads too, am simply astounded by her bare-faced cheek. Can you ever imagine parking on someone else's drive? We have enough probs with people overhanging our dropped kerb. Though we have just managed to get an H-Bar put in and it's been better since.

Twentieth - what's up with DD?

We're all ok here, went swimming en famille this morning & DD has no fear, she lets go and tries to head off on her own! She did rink quite a lot of the pool today I think grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 23-Jun-13 21:11:03

I'll have to look for the BOB thread and have a nosey.

Yay for finding a nursery kitty. Will S do more time at the nursery when he gets the 3yo funding?

I had a shower fully clothed today shock We were at my parents house and they have a big walk in shower. I walked into it to pick up a bottle of baby wash and inadvertently turned the water on with my arse when I bent over blush There are 5 jets in that bloody shower so I got quite wet grin

I hope you have a better day tomorrow 20th x

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 23-Jun-13 21:13:37

I didn't explain myself properly there kitty. what I was alluding too was, more time spent at the nursery = not feeling so beholden to your IL's.

Oops ILike! But that is quite funny!

We are doing a sopranos marathon. We have all six series to get through before I goes off on demand on 30th June. Almost done with one! Bada bing!

GreenFirefly Sun 23-Jun-13 22:49:54

I was reading the BOB thread last night, have just caught up with the updates. How could she have thought it was ok? shock

More house stuff done this weekend (by DH), I went out shopping with M.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 23-Jun-13 22:51:15

[ I know that you shouldn't laugh at somebody's misfortune but that did make me giggle ILike!

DD has got a tummy bug and the most awful nappy rash. Gawd knows how as she's not worn a nappy all week confused She's so sore and sad about it though. Fingers crossed for a better day tomorrow...

JKSLtd Mon 24-Jun-13 20:58:13

ILike - PMSL at that shower!! What did you do next?!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 24-Jun-13 22:24:16

Laugh away, I don't mind grin

I changed into my mum's clothes (mmmmmm, fetching) while my clothes went into the dryer. What a bleedin numpty!

I have never seen The Soprano's. That and the West Wing are on my to watch list.

At the moment I am making the boys a dinosaur toy each. I haven't really made anything like this for years so it's all a bit of a learning curve and I'm making rooky errors. However, I have used ric-rac for the first time ever - get me!!

MrsW, I was having a squizz at your FB post for names inspiration. I want to know your favoured name that do doesn't like. I did have a bit of a snurk at some of the suggestions. I'm hoping you aren't taking some of the seriously! grin

You know when you have one of those weeks where you think things can't go any worse, and then they do?

Monday - boiler broke (fixed now, but needs a part)
Tuesday - heard a close friend of Dhs died unexpectedly, he was 59
Wednesday - work unexpectedly told us our workload for Thursday/Fridaywas likely to be 10 times what we were expecting. I went to the docs about my ads and how I don't think they are working and somehow came out with a prescription for the pill and instructions to have more sex with dh without worrying about getting pg confused
Thursday - My cm has cancer sad

I dread to think what tomorrow brings, but dh is picking up his new car. The last new car we bought someone crashed into me the day we got it. I know they are all entirely unrelated, but i feel so heavy with it all this week.

JKSLtd Thu 27-Jun-13 18:05:38

Ugh Fizz, those kind of things just pile up on you and weigh you down sad

I am hungover blush

In better news (for me anyway!) I'm off to France tomorrow for 3 blissful child-free nights & 3 fantabulous child-free mornings!! grin grin grin

There may be more drinking...

Kittycatcat Thu 27-Jun-13 19:49:57

Oh fizz. That's one hell of a week. Fingers crossed for tomorrow.

Enjoy jks.

A just did a poo In the bath!

YoniHuman Fri 28-Jun-13 00:14:33

sad for your CM Fizz, hope they've caught it early.

Kitty, I misread your post as "I just did a poo in the bath!"
Thought you were going to say you'd come down with a dodgy stomach bug, glad to see it was just A letting nature take it's course.

Kittycatcat Fri 28-Jun-13 08:29:40

grin Yoni

JollyShortGiant Fri 28-Jun-13 08:38:59

Just signing in smile

MrsWajs Sat 29-Jun-13 04:13:57

Fizz very sad for your CM, how awful.

What are all these boxes you are sending each other - I don't have ani-anything so can't see them!

And what is BOB, it sounds interesting???

All is well here, 31 weeks today and 5 weeks left to work smile

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 01-Jul-13 21:29:06

How are you doing Fizz? What a horribly tough week <understatement> for everyone concerned.

Ds3 has a new word. 'What?'
I give him the raised eyebrow look and he quickly says 'pardon mummy', but goodness me why can't he just say that first time? He's playing mind games isn't he? grin

In contrast to that, his new waking first words are 'I love you mummy', aaawwwwwwwww.

Ds2's school uniform arrived today (M&S had 20% off). It is still sitting on the stairs unopened <in denial> He had his first settling in afternoon at the school last week. He had a great time ............. I cried on the walk home after dropping him off.

Hey! Thanks for asking guys, I'm ok, although I'm now worried about dh. He has been passed over for promotion again and I've never seen him so defeatist. I don't know what to say to him. Sorry this is all "woe is me" but I'm really struggling to hold it all together just now.

I mentioned about going to the docs last week before, but I don't think I've mentioned it here. I think I might be going a bit insane around af time. And it's totally irrational. Doc says its pmt combined with the pressure of not using contraception, even though I tried saying we were ttc casually. She seems to think I have been put under pressure by dh to have another, which totally isn't the case. 3 weeks out of four I want another, one week I can barely function and the thought of another scares the shit out of me. She gave me the pill as a cure all, fix the pmt, stop her getting pg sticking plaster because the only other treatment for pmt is fluoxetine, and I'm already on that. So the only way to fix me is contraception, which I'm scared to take after the mess the depo made of my body and my ability to conceive and i swore never to use hormonal contraception again. Win win eh? I feel like I've been on the verge of tears all week. I feel lost again.

GreenFirefly Tue 02-Jul-13 08:33:17

Huge hugs Fizz.
(I'm at work so more later).

Sorry that post was totally self indulgent. I forgot to take my ads with me over the weekend and that's what happens when I don't take them. They don't call them happy pills for nothing.

As you were smile

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 02-Jul-13 17:14:41

This is the place for self indulgent, let it all out!

Hugs, fizz

TwentiethCenturyGirl Tue 02-Jul-13 19:27:42

Oh Fizz - I'm not surprised you're feeling down. What a shit time you're having of it hmm I'm useless at providing any practical advice but am more than happy to be an ear to listen whenever you need to let off steam. Have a big unmumsnetty group hug from all the Aprilites.

Kittycatcat Wed 03-Jul-13 19:47:03


Kittycatcat Wed 03-Jul-13 19:48:33

Would help if it hadnt hidden my previous post! I said fizz I'm sorry you are feeling like this. His about increasing the dose on anti ds? Not sure I'd go back on the pill in your situation as you'd be starting all over. Sorry for your dh too hmm

TwentiethCenturyGirl Wed 03-Jul-13 20:25:30

Oh god, just popped on and have reread my post from last night - that was clearly meant to be a sad - not a hmm. I need to stop posting on my phone. My fingers are clearly too fat!

Sorry Fizz - hope you didn't think I was being an insensitive cow sad and that today has been a good day

JKSLtd Wed 03-Jul-13 20:37:43

Hey Fizz - agree no to pill, it prob won't help right now. Upping dose of ADs is a good idea.
Rant here, that's what we're here for smile

DD being a bit of a PITA re the bed now - opening her door and coming out far too early in the morning for here - we're already up with DS2 normally but still. She's knackered.

Kittycatcat Thu 04-Jul-13 07:45:10

I did the same with my sausage fingers twentieth. How are you today fizz?

Hey! No worries about the hmm face, I knew what you meant! I'm ok. Done some research on the pill I've been prescribed, and even though I was on it in my early 20s I'm now not so keen. I keep flipping between taking it and not taking it!

I've been busy sorting out child care for the next few weeks as cm has the date for her op. she is only taking a week off after the op (its on her tongue, had I mentioned that?) however it coincides with me being in London with my choir and dh being unable to take time from work, so we are shipping the child off to my parents for a week! smile and my friend is going to help out if we need anything extra after that! I'm not complaining, she needs to take care of herself, but timing wise for us it isn't great, iykwim.

Gotto go, my manager is in the stocks awaiting a barrage of wet sponges grin all for charity, no malice intended at all, no sirree! wink

Kittycatcat Thu 04-Jul-13 16:22:58

When are you in London fizz? I work in covent garden mon-wed if u fancy ameet up?

I out in Osterley (technically not London i think, iselworth?) and only there Friday to Sunday. Otherwise I would love to meet up with you. I do have Sunday to myself until my flight leaves heathrow at 4pm.

Just I case anyone not on he FB page fancies it kitty and I are meeting at Waterloo next Sunday for a spot of brunch!! All welcome! grin

Kittycatcat Mon 08-Jul-13 11:21:26

I have two adult tickets for lego land on 20th july. Any takers?

Kittycatcat Mon 08-Jul-13 15:18:25

*FREE tickets that is. Got them from the sun x

JollyShortGiant Mon 08-Jul-13 16:50:44

On the subject of days out, we went to Thomas Land at Drayton Manor on Saturday and it was absolutely fabulous. I would thoroughly recommend it for any of you with Thomas loving toddlers smile

Where is Drayton manor? Sounds far away from where you are jolly!

JollyShortGiant Mon 08-Jul-13 17:56:32

Heh, well spotted Fizz. We've just come back from a week in a cottage in the Cotswolds. We drove down and on the way back we spent the day at Drayton Manor which is on the NE side of Birmingham. We left there at 8:45am and were home before 5. So a long drive but it worked out well as an overnight stop on the way home.

How are you all anyway? smile

Chaving awa, ken fit like! grin

JollyShortGiant Mon 08-Jul-13 20:33:28

DS sometimes greets people with "Aye aye" and he responds "Nae bad" if asked "foos yer doos?".

Hope things calm down for you soon, seems like you've had a mad time of it recently.

I have a read of this thread every so often. H seems to be fairly typical for his age looking on here! He's nowhere near potty training though. Has no clue when he's peeing. And he moved into a big bed in April. His gro clock has been one of the best things we've bought.

DC2 shall be along on Aug 22nd. ELCS this time so date is pretty firm. Having a section as I punctured my lung when labouring with H so the consultants don't want me to push again. It makes planning childcare easier but the recovery will be a bit of a bugger as we live in a village and I won't be able to drive.

Will continue lurking smile

TwentiethCenturyGirl Mon 08-Jul-13 22:50:02

You punctured your lung [?! That sounds brutal! I think you win the worst labour award - you poor thing. I`m not surprised you're taking the doctors advice about not pushing again! Hope you have an easier ride this time round.

Potty training is going well here (touch wood). She seems to have got it, so I'm hoping we don't have a regression at any point. Still in the cot though - i`m dreading the switch to the big bed. At what point is it cruel for them to still be penned in at night [ I can't face what I know will be an epic nightly battle...

Roasting here tonight. Is anybody else melting?

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 09-Jul-13 06:19:34

It's HOT here, although cooled to 24C in Fs room this morning.

We put the sides back on the cot after 3 months of craziness. He didn't read the stuff about rapid return.

In the last week we've had "I got poo" followed by a wander up and successful performance on the potty. And last night, After much toddler nudity and false alarms "oh! I got wees!" And subsequent performance!

Early days, and we're not officially training, just providing the opportunity when we can. Need to get the car seat pad & travel potty thing.

Anyway: helloooo all! Hope everyone can stay cool and comfortable today, I imagine its fairly unpleasant being pregnant in this weather! Take it easy.

GreenFirefly Tue 09-Jul-13 09:17:02

My due date is Aug 23rd but like Jolly I'm planning a c-sec - got the consultant appointment in a couple of weeks to request it. I understand they tend to be done in the 39th week so I guess this baby will be a week or so before Jolly's. The idea does make planning childcare easier, as long as we don't get an early arrival!

No potty training happening here either - so much for the idea of re-usables encouraging them to train earlier hmm.

We've had big strops the last couple of mornings about her wanting to put a coat on - not just any coat but a big padded winter coat confused she has no concept of dressing for the weather - insisted on playing in the garden wearing wellies on Sunday!

The correct response to foos yer doos is, "aye peckin'" <evil cackle as I know the rest of you will have no idea what I'm talking about> along with and "aye aye aye" said on the intake of breath! That's proper teuchter! grin

Urgh, must be hellish being pg in this weather! Bs hair is constantly clapped to his head with sweat, but when it dries they are some very cute ringlets!

NomDeClavier Mon 15-Jul-13 14:33:19

Aprillites! I have missed you lot. I never see the thread in active convoys and having failed to meet up yesterday thought I should bop along.

News: We probably have the pox or it might be aome weirdy post viral rash. My EDD is Christmas fecking Eve. This heat is bloody unbearable. House move was successful. I'm lurking in England for a couple of weeks.

sad Awful news about your CM fizz. Sorry you had such a shit week.

Can't believe the next round of babies is due so soon!!!

I'm half-heartedly encouraging potty training but he's not sure about the potty so although he can hold his poo til he gets a clean nappy and announces he's doing a wee we're not up for full on training!

Kittycatcat Mon 15-Jul-13 18:44:59

We missed you nom. I hope its nothing nasty.

Yay for move.

Eek for Xmas eve.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Mon 15-Jul-13 19:13:36

Helloo, hellooo!

Hi Nom, nice to think you're in the UK for a change!

How exciting to have an Xmas baby! Although we're expecting a January baby really, right?!

F's been nappy free all weekend. Saturday was ace, wees in the potty. Sunday not so much, I had to clean up 4 puddles. He's largely been in a nappy with DH today. Not going to go the whole hog for another fortnight really. Then it's a mission to crack it by September.

Any recommended reading?

Oh, and he's not been napping, and is therefore sleeping by 7:30! Except he slept in the car with DH today. So he'll be up for hours again!

Well jel of your meet up. x

TwentiethCenturyGirl Mon 15-Jul-13 19:44:37

Welcome home Nom! Fingers crossed it's just a mild dose if DS is pox ridden. Is he itching much? Porridge baths went down a treat in the TCG house when we were pox ridden.

We seem to be sorted on the potty front. Not had an accident for a couple of weeks now and she seems to have cracked remembering to tell us that she needs the loo, rather than us reminding her all the time. I still haven't risked a nappy free nap yet though, even though she always seems to be dry after her lunch time snooze. We'll see if it lasts. Having read the potty training threads, it doesn't seem to be that uncommon for them to have a regression.

Are you looking for reading for you or F UBW? If it's for F, then DD seemed to like Princess Polly's Potty (well, she liked the sound effect anyway hmm). I think you can get one for boys called Pirate Pete or something. Might be worth a squizz?

How was the meet up folks? The pictures on facebook were lovely. It looked like a good time was had by all smile

Feels a wee bit cooler here tonight. I don't really mind the hot days but can't stand the sticky nights.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 16-Jul-13 10:45:37

Hi everyone smile

We had lovely brunch on Sunday - Fizz and kitty are gorgeous and lovely and baby A is as cute as a button and he was sooo good sitting in his highchair while we gassed away.

We are half-heartedly potty training here too. T is pretty good with sees but won't poo anywhere except a nappy. I'm hoping for lots of nappy free time while we're on holiday and then I want to get it cracked over the summer.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 16-Jul-13 15:21:03

Hello everyone. RL has taken over the past few weeks which is why I have been AWOL - nothing particularly interesting, house stuff, committee stuff etc etc

Another one who is well jel of the meet up.

Gawd it is hot here today, there is NO air. Although saying that I think that a breeze is starting up. Hot days fine, hot nights are shite. Ds3 has an aircon unit in his room (his room gets the sun all day and is unbearable) so he's ok, but the rest of us are sleeping fitfully. I have black rings under my eyes - attractive.

I keep umming and ahhing over potty training. It would be nice to have ds dry for pre-school in September, but I really don't have any enthusiasm for it and ds shows no signs of being interested.

Ds3 had his settling in session at pre-school last week and bloody loved it. He loved running around in a feral pack with the other boys, he loved blowing bubbles in the paint, he loved choosing what to eat and drink at snack time, he loved song and dance time. Let's hope it's the case when I actually leave him there in Sept! I also found out who is key worker will be today and she's lovely.

Ds2 has finished his settling in sessions at primary and we know who his teacher is. He enjoyed going there and his teacher is lovely and very experienced in reception, the TA Is lovely too. ( how many times can I say lovely in two paragraphs blush )

So at the moment I am feeling good about September and the changes that it will bring for all of us smile

I now have to tackle the summer holiday spreadsheets and get visits and activities booked in. There's a fair bit on there already, but there's always room for more! I'm also going to start a list of things that need tackling around the house from September, I may have to hire a skip for the declutter!

Kittycatcat Tue 16-Jul-13 15:57:36

Thanks Ali so are you smile

Excellent re DS2 and DS3 Ilike

We are toilet training next month. Argh.

S got a place in the pre school i wanted smile Starts 2nd Sept, Thurs ams for now smile SO excited x

JollyShortGiant Tue 16-Jul-13 18:56:46

Has anyone else's child turned into a complete monster? We've had over 1.5 hours of tantrums today. I am tired out. Thankfully he's gone to bed okay so I can get some time to cry relax.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Tue 16-Jul-13 20:26:20

We have days like that JSG - it's exhausting (for everybody concerned) isn't it? When it's particularly bad, I have to roll out the good old this too shall pass mantra and seek out the gin

ILTMIMI - I can't believe you have summer holiday spreadsheets. You must be the most organised person in the world. I'm impressed!

Daisy17 Tue 16-Jul-13 20:35:29

Snap, jolly, couldn't have put it better myself. I actually whimpered "I just want my sweet little boy back" to DP earlier on! Everything is NO, and woe betide if his will is crossed.......I feel like a wuss but it leaves me feeling horribly emotionally battered!

Any tips from those who've been here before?!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 16-Jul-13 20:45:56

T is just the same, and DS1 actually who is in a state of triple hysteria induced by the heat, the impending end of term and the fact that it is now only 6 days until his birthday <rocks>

Daisy - I find that just disengaging a bit is the best option. I provide a drink in case thirst is the issue (in a cup with a lid to minimise rage-induced spillages) and then leave him to it. Nothing enrages T more than someone trying to negotiate with him when he is cross, or expect him to be rational in his demands grin For example this evening 'my want shower' x 100 with screaming. DH turned the shower on 'Noooooooo' x 100 with screaming. And so it went on.
Step away from the toddler grin

Daisy17 Tue 16-Jul-13 20:58:25

Thanks, Ali, it feels so much better when you read of other toddlers doing the same things! S had a massive tantrum about leaving the garden and going upstairs to change his nappy, then when we finally got downstairs again he had an even bigger one about wanting to go upstairs again!! Which at another time wouldn't have been an issue but he was naked in preparation for the paddling pool, he's nowhere near potty training yet and I couldn't get near him to put a nappy on.....Bah..... I do try to step away from the toddler (good phrase!) but it's so hard not to try to stop the wailing with reason - esp as at this age they DO understand so much, it's tempting to conclude that they are fully rational beings!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 16-Jul-13 21:13:34

Also distraction can work sometimes. DH was able to diffuse things this evening by proffering his head for T to pat bubbles onto. grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 16-Jul-13 21:31:31

Triple hysteria? Such fun! wink. What have you got ds1 for his birthday?

I don't think this heat helps with anyone's mood, or maybe that's just me!

I need the spreadsheet to keep me organised 20th. There are columns for each ds and one for me. It's a military operation to keep us all occupied and amused during the 6 weeks off!

Yy to disengage. I just ignore the behaviour and walk off, otherwise it can blow up out of all proportions. It gives us both time to cool off and get over it. Writing that down I wonder who's the child here blush

Ds3 interrupted a convo dh and I were having earlier, so dh said 'wait a minute please ds, mummy and I are talking'. He looked at dh, walked off and muttered 'so rude!' Ha ha! Gotta love 'em.

Daisy17 Tue 16-Jul-13 21:38:06

Haha, Ilike...... We've been doing lots of encouragement for S to say No thank you to things. Only now I say, right, time to do your nappy now and he says No thank you!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 16-Jul-13 22:34:34

I'm so glad it's not just us with the ridiculous contrary tantrums ('I want frog hat' 'here you go' 'I NOT WANT FROG HAT!' etc.) although F does seem to bounce from one to another with very little time between!

I've made a list of things to do this summer. We were going to have DH off for all of it too, but he's just accepted some part time work for the hols. Which isn't a bad thing, he gets cash and toys to play with, I get a couple of days of a tidy house!

One more week of school....!

GreenFirefly Wed 17-Jul-13 13:48:04

Mega tantrum here this morning about a magnetic letter lost down the radiator. Fortunately Daddy managed to get it out got another one to become the rescued one wink
I've just got some bad news that the cafe round the corner is closing on Saturday - it's run by 2 former midwives on the profits from the antenatal classes which the NHS isn't renewing the contract for. Just when i start maternity leave next week too - the cafe runs a breastfeeding peer support group on Wednesday mornings which i was looking forward to getting back to. They are hoping to keep classes and groups running but I'm really sad as I've made so many friends there and there's nearly always someone you know in there.

JollyShortGiant Wed 17-Jul-13 17:08:07

Oh no firefly, that's rubbish sad

Today has gone better in terms of tantrums. I'm much more in control and am not trying to reason with H when he goes off on one. He's had 2 trips to the naughty blanket (no suitable steps). The first was fine - think he was too shocked to argue. The second time I had to return him to it SIXTY FOUR times before he sat on it for two minutes. But more successful than yesterday because I didn't argue with him at all and by the time we got to him saying sorry he was still well aware of the reason why he'd been put there.

No nap today. He did go into his room and play alone for quite a while so I suppose that's the best I can hope for. I don't feel comfortable working in the garden when he's awake though so not much got done outside.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 17-Jul-13 18:33:41

firefly - do you have a local branch of the NCT in your area? They now own the Baby Cafe brand, so they may be interested in the cafe. Although with dc2 on the way you may not be in a position to help get it off the ground.

Kittycatcat Thu 18-Jul-13 08:31:21

Oh no firefly

64 Jolly. Good grief

S has becoming very bossy. He gets it from his big cousin who is 4. He isat inlaws mons and tues. it stops in a few weeks as his parents work in schools tho I expect he will be there at least once a week til sept. the s and a can do more together without the handful influencing them.

A is crawling grin

SarahJinx Thu 18-Jul-13 22:03:16

Hi, almost three years ago (crazily) I was in the April 2011 ante natal group, I spotted you ladies yesterday in active threads and made a mental note to pop my head around the door. Hope that's ok? I recognise a few names, mostly Kitty, you and I were the last of the April babies I think? Tom arrived May 8th. Anyway, hi again!

MrsWajs Fri 19-Jul-13 03:16:47

Wow 64 times Jolly!!? and I thought we had issues!! R's latest phrase is "I can't want the step" and getting off and walking away. We had quite a few returns last night after she threw her dinner on the floor and refused to say sorry but it was definitely much less than 64! I'm losing the will to live some days because she's so bloody stubborn so will definitely just try a bit of disengaging from now on!

Nursery is also getting to be a bit of a headache, 2 weeks ago she was put into time out 7 times over lunch because she refused to behave. Then when she did finally sit down to eat (after everyone else had finished) she threw her food at one of the assistants and told her to "shut up" - WTF!?!!?
Last week she came home with 3 scratches on her face as she had been fighting with another child shock apparently he looked worse than her?! I just do not know where to go from here. I know a lot of her behaviour is anxiety over the new baby coming but it's so tiring when, apart from nursery, the most part of it is directed at me. For DP she is an angel and he has no idea what I'm on about when he comes home from work and I'm practically in tears from arguing with her!

Firefly Can't believe your baby's going to be here so soon! Shame about the cafe closing down though sad

Jolly I always wondered what it was that happened during your labour as you never told us here before and i knew you wouldn't say on the August thread either but now I know!! <nosey>

Fizz, Kitty and Ali Glad your meet up went well. The pictures on fb were really good, it's so weird seeing all you "imaginary" people together in RL though!!

Sorry I've been rubbish at keeping up once again, life just seems to get in the way a bit just now!!

Kittycatcat Fri 19-Jul-13 07:57:04

Hello sarahjinx. I remembergrin S was 11th may. His baby brother was 10 months on Wednesday. How are you?
Oh my goodness mrsw. That's tough going hmm. Def baby related.

GreenFirefly Fri 19-Jul-13 13:21:08

woo hoo that's me finished work for 10 months or sogrin 2 weeks annual leave then mat leave kicks in. had a lovely brunch at work and received mothercare vouchers and a baby play mat. going to hide from the heat most if the afternoon so its of beebies for m.hmm

SarahJinx Fri 19-Jul-13 19:10:35

Yes I'm good thanks. 10 month old? You're a better man than me, it's only really now I think I could even contemplate going again, we'll I did and then the two's hit!

There must have been loads of name changes and additions, have skim read but the only ones I think are the same are Ali and Ilike, two years is a long time.

64 times is mind boggling, we're not doing too much in the way of naught steps/time outs but only because up until now I don't think he'd get it. We're probably overdue, Tom is one of those Toddlers that people says things like 'isn't he busy' and, 'is he always like this' and 'no wonder you're always tired' about. I think that paints a picture that you ladies will understand, he's a million miles an hour, until he conks out religiously at 12 for a couple of hours, and not so religiously at around 8pm. Good fun, but bloody hard work, more so now than ever.

He is potty trained though, just did it, a week before his second birthday. I wasn't ready, he was, I just twigged I was putting him in nappies and he didn't need them, took them off and ta da! That was it, I'm aware that that's not the norm!

How is everyone coping in the heat with sweaty, over tired Tasmanian devils?

Kittycatcat Fri 19-Jul-13 19:23:06

It happened incredibly quickly Sarahjinx. Just coming thru the other side now.

SarahJinx Fri 19-Jul-13 19:31:56

Bless you, I can imagine its been a ride! I've had pnd, it kind of set on, or I realised it had at 6 months, had hell going back to work with arsehole boss and flexible working - funny how you think they'll be happy to have you back - and then my nan died and I got diagnosed with rheumatoid Arthritis amongst other things. I'm about to go back to the docs, I was a bit of a hero about it, fooled nobody, only myself though, it's taken me a while to find any kind of 'normal' iykwim?

Another boy? Lovely, are you coping ok? Are you still working?

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 19-Jul-13 19:32:15

MrsW that sounds really tough.

Sarah - my Tom is exactly like that. I get those exact comments!

Kitty - yay for A! grin

It is DS1's birthday party tomorrow. We are prepared <drinks wine>

SarahJinx Fri 19-Jul-13 19:36:07

Ali, it's always good to know its not just me with the crazy Tom, my other problem is that he's massive, we were under hospital until the beginning of the year because he had a spell off the charts for height, so I get the disapproving 'isn't he naughty' stare too when he bolts about like a mentalist.

I perfected c* eyes a while ago!

Kittycatcat Fri 19-Jul-13 20:13:27

I was diagnosed with pnd two months ago sarahjinx. The ladies on here knew it before me. You've had a tough time. Sorry to hear about your nan.
The WHY started here yesterday. Argh.

Kittycatcat Fri 19-Jul-13 20:14:49

Happy 1st birthday for tomorrow t. What have you got him Ali?

<plonks down in sweaty heap>

I can't take much more of this heat. I live in Scotland for this very reason, I do not do heat!!

Sympathies to those of us who are pg. <runs ice bath>

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 21-Jul-13 08:11:19

How did the party go Ali? Are you still recovering today?! I hope ds had a lovely time grin Ds2 has such a great time at parties that he's the one who cries from exhaustion and frustration when it's time to go.

Yesterday and today have been a lot cooler so we've had some 'rerespite from the heat. If all I've got to do is potter around when it's hot, I'm mostly fine. It's when I've actually got stuff to do is when it becomes annoying. I had to unpack the boxes and put stuff away in the new kitchen on Thursday - I ended up doing it in my bra and knickers (sorry about that neighbours!)

We're having a family BBQ today, can't wait! The boys will be entertained by their cousins all afternoon, and then they'll bath them and put them in their pj's this evening <child labour warning> grin

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 21-Jul-13 09:59:27

The party was a huge success. 12 mega excited 5 year olds plus a few younger siblings, they had a great time in the softplay and then the party organiser there sorted out all the food and party bags.
DH and I did very little but were still exhausted and just collapsed in a heap when we got home. I get massive anxiety when we organise parties that no-one will come, no idea why but there we are. Everyone came so I needed have worried smile <idiot>

Today I need to find homes for the small toy mountain that all his friends bought him - his actual birthday isn't until Tuesday so he's had no presents from family yet!

kitty we're going to get him a watch. So grown up grin

GreenFirefly Mon 22-Jul-13 11:42:53

glad the party went well. today is my first day of maternity leave but m is sick so not at nursery so I can't get as much done as I want. electrics are more or less finished so I'm cleaning the whole house yet again. and extra washing due to sick sad happily the water has been cooler here over the weekend.

B has just managed to get into his nappy, how I don't know he has shorty dungers on with a vest. Grabbed a handful of poo and eaten it and then smeared it all over his happy land toys and car mat!

I was only in the kitchen tidying up! Less than 10 feet away and in full sight!

I feel sick

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 22-Jul-13 15:11:39

Fizz that is GRIM. I bet it has taken ages to clean up all that.

Glad the party went well Ali. I have a thing about people not turning up as well.

Poor M. It must be awful feeling I'll in this heat. A bit of a naff way to start you ML firefly

It's 31 in the shade here today and humid. I took the boys out for a romp around the park this morning to run their beans off with the view to do naff all this afternoon. I have made some cookies as thank you presents to the pre-school staff (that was fun working in a hot kitchen!) so now it's time for us all to do naff all, eat lollies and dip our feet in the paddling pool grin

Car mat binned. I'll buy another one. Fortunately it was just figures in happy land, so they are scrubbed and in a bucket of Milton! I still don't know how he managed it! I hope it was just a one off!

Sunny here but cooler, thank god!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Mon 22-Jul-13 17:04:41

Urgh, that's horrid Fizz - my tummy has turned in sympathy for you having to clear that up.

Hot and horrible here today. I've also had a puking toddler, so have spent this morning scrubbing the floor. Blurgh.

Can't wait for the rain to come. I'm sick of the stickiness now. Miser alert!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 22-Jul-13 17:12:29

I hope the predicted storms get here and get rid of the humidity. I don't feel headachy so I'm not convinced they're on their way. Maybe I need to go for a wee and see if I can feel it in my water? grin

I completely missed about A crawling kitty. I just saw it as I scrolled down. Hurrah for A! I cant believe he'll be one in a couple of months!

Has Kate had her baby yet?

Kittycatcat Mon 22-Jul-13 21:00:48

Its a boy!!!

Ew fizz. My friends ds emptied a date done of the poo from his nappy at the weekend.

grin Re watch Ali.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 27-Jul-13 09:26:50

Coooeee, where is everyone? grin

The summer holidays are well and truly underway here. It's lovely to not have a timetable to adhere to. Although come September I will be gagging for the routine of the school run!

I had a fab night at Bunco last night. The theme was casino so I went as a bunny girl casino hostess. Not very PC but I was fresh out of ideas and a friend had the ears, collars and cuffs and I had the black trousers and top. The ladies who play are predominantly USAAF wives and are a real scream. They're from all over the US and it's really interesting chatting to them. Some of them really have travelled and lived all over the world.

Enjoy the weekend ladies smile

YoniHuman Sun 28-Jul-13 08:37:46

Hello, still here, kitchen refit is 4 days in. I've also been having a sort out of my shed whilst the skip is in the drive, (well, it seemed rude not too). I'm enjoying the no school run although still have to make sure I'm dressed before the workman arrive at 8am.
P said a new word yesterday, Ham, which now brings her vocab up to an amazing 4 words hmm. She is the Queen of gesturing though, she'd be perfect for Give Us A Clue. grin

Kittycatcat Sun 28-Jul-13 11:26:33

Hello ladies.

S and A have viruses. Spots all over and a swollen throat. My dm babysat yest while we went out to start my birthday celebrations. Not til 10th august but only time we could get together with dh's db and dsil. Me and dh have hangovers.

hope.the boys are.better kitty.

I have my.life back(until the end of august at least!) The last choir performance was on Saturday. the night out that followed was messy but brilliant! I.have a video of our performance. I will.post on our fb page. it is quite good even id I do say so myself!

I'm off bra shopping today after the wonderful ladies.on the intervention thread say I am.not a 38f but a 38JJ shock

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Mon 29-Jul-13 12:35:39

Hello! Hope your boys are better, Kitty.

We're into the summer hols now (yay!) and therefore today is Day 1 of Potty Training. Actual serious attempt this time. And I feel the need to tell the world about our achievements, but keeping myself away from fb as I know no one really cares. So, I'm offloading here! (Yep, a potty pun). You can ignore if you wish!

So, we had a few accidents earlier, but he had pants on, and I think they might have confused him. So he's been bottomless since this morning, and although I've been reminding him, he's been very resistant to direction (I've mentioned before that he's stubborn, right?!) and has taken himself to the potty 3 times since the initial accidents.

The current plan is to have a couple of pants free days at home, then a couple of pants on days at home, and if all is going well we'll venture out and about at the end of the week. We've got a pottette thing, but no car seat cover.

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Mon 29-Jul-13 12:36:52

Oh, the accidents happened while our childless friends were here! Hilarious!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Mon 29-Jul-13 13:17:19

2 more accidents and 1 more in the potty. One of the accidents, he weed on DHs flip flop! I thought it was funny, DH is starting to find it stressful already.

I am very glad we had the hard floor done well before this time!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 30-Jul-13 18:25:13

No accidents today! And he's not responded to any reminders, he won't engage in having 'a try' or anything. But he's taken himself off to the potty for every wee & poo today! So I suppose this means its definitely on, he's ready, we're not opportunistically catching products after all.

So tomorrows plan is to introduce pants. He's been semi naked the past two days. And then we'll move the potty into the bathroom so he has to actually go to the loo, and gets the idea of holding it until he's got somewhere else. And then we'll attempt to leave the house!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Tue 30-Jul-13 18:57:58

Sounds like it's going well UBW. Fingers crossed for tomorrow too. smile

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Tue 30-Jul-13 20:27:19

Thanks! This is rapidly becoming The Inside of UBW's Mind Thread grin

DH has just reminded me he's working tomorrow. So just me for pants and puddles then. We'll do something lovely and messy that would freak DH out!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 31-Jul-13 09:56:05

Wow, it sounds like he's ready UBW.

You are inspiring me and ds3 has been asking to use the potty. But by the time we get him on it he's either gone in his nappy or he's just asking to sit on it because of the novelty value! Maybe I just need to woman up and give it a go. It would be nice if he's out of nappies when he starts pre school <puts carpet shampoo on the shopping list>

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 31-Jul-13 11:05:23

F never asked to use the potty when he had a nappy on. He'd sit on it occasionally (they've been hanging round the house about a year). It's only when he's been running around with no bottoms on odd days over the last few weeks that he's started to get the hang of it. We got new sofas a few weeks ago, and until the last few days we've had a "no nappy, no sofa" rule.

Yesterday, with no bottoms on at all, was the first day he's been accident free and taken himself to the potty every time with no reminders (he's too stubborn for reminders anyway).

Today, after some convincing, I've got him in pants. So far he's had a couple of potty Wees, but only when he'd already taken his pants off for a shower.

We've also put pants on a teddy bear. Poor teddy keeps having a rush to get to the potty!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 31-Jul-13 11:06:15

Oh, and I just really want to do it this summer while I've got a big block of time off. Otherwise between home, cm and nursery during the rest of the year it might get a bit confusing.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Wed 31-Jul-13 13:39:28

We sat teddy on a pan rather than the potty! Sounds strange but worked for us!

To be honest, I was surprised how quickly DD potty trained. My theory is that being at nursery and seeing others going to loo really helped. I guess that if they're ready, they're ready and if they're not, they're not.

Our latest dilemma is the night nappy. Provided she goes for a wee before bedtime then her nappy is pretty reliably dry in the morning. I can't face the masses of washing that risking it without one will incur. Am I being lazy to keep her in a night nappy for a bit longer?

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Wed 31-Jul-13 17:39:13

Not lazy, sensible! I'm not expecting to get night dryness for years if there's truth in the genetic link.

Kittycatcat Thu 01-Aug-13 15:08:32

How's it going ubw? We are starting week after next.

I've bought a vintage bike, and I'm going to get a trailer to put the boys in. Am I supposed to take it on the road? Ill prob only take the boys to the park the long way in it.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 01-Aug-13 16:20:38

I hear you UBW. ds2 is 5 next month and shows no signs of being dry at night. I was quite old too.

I've done some nappy free time with ds3. No success yet, but he has taken himself out of the room to pee on the carpet hmm so I think he understands the sensation of needing a wee, he just needs to learn to go in the potty rather than on the carpet.

Saying that, he has produced something while on the potty. Wind. He thinks farting on it is hilarious.i think he likes the amplified noise grin

The bribery of ice cream and Angry Birds pants doesn't seem to be cutting the mustard either. Ds2 asked if he could have ice cream if he wee'd on the potty. He was deadly serious!

I love those trailers Kitty. make sure you put a picture on FB of your bike smile

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Thu 01-Aug-13 16:30:54

grin at resonant farting!

Well, we went to the little local park yesterday, where he had an accident. And then he weed on the new sofa yesterday evening.

This morning he had a massive tantrum when I dared remind him that it'd been 2 hours and he should try sitting on the potty. He eventually produced a puddle right next to the potty. hmm

He doesn't take well to reminders/instructions it seems. And is doing a good line in sitting for 5 seconds before giving up and having an accident 5 minutes later.

The last wee I resorted to providing the iPad to keep him seated for a couple of minutes. Don't want to keep doing that!

Need to remind again now actually...

Given the fact that B is still surprised if he wees without a nappy on, I don't think we are ready to start yet.

I AM ON HOLIDAY <happy dance> not back until 20th! That's like ages away!!

Kittycatcat Thu 01-Aug-13 18:46:56

Happy hols fizz

Can ad's stop working after a while? Today hasn't been good. I'm back to shouty horrible mummy again

GreenFirefly Thu 01-Aug-13 18:50:23

My lack of posting doesn't mean I've had the baby yet, just been busy cooking things to fill the new freezer with and such like.
Am 37 weeks tomorrow shock Had a bad consultant appointment last week, which I think I posted about? Anyway realised the problem us lack if confidence in my body for the birth after 31 hours then c-sec last time. My friend who is a midwife suggested I go through my notes with someone on the labour ward so that's happening tomorrow. The result is I'm now thinking vbac or at least trying as I don't think I'll last to the planned 39 week for the c-sec anyway! Those who have done it how was a vbac?

No potty training happening here, she'll still only sit on it fully clothed.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 01-Aug-13 19:15:20

Sorry kitty I don't know, but I do know that I've been a fishwife with the boys this afternoon. For me it's the heat, I find it draining.

My VBAC's were a high point for me firefly, I found them very healing after my emerg section with ds1. Ds2 were both born at home in water and they were actually quite easy births. I think going through your notes could help you address your fears, it can also be very emotional too so don't be surprised if you get upset and cry - but that's ok. It's part of accepting and moving on.

Speak to the MW tomorrow and see how you feel. Remember that you don't have to make a decision about your birth there and then. Go home and take your time smile

Wee's in the potty - 0
Poo's on the patio - 1

Daisy17 Thu 01-Aug-13 19:24:35

In haste.....nowhere near potty training here, like Fizz's F, my S is still very surprised when he wees without a nappy on! The heat does NOT agree with me at all, Kitty, and it's been megahot again today, so maybe put it down to that and see how you get on when it's cooler.....hugs.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Thu 01-Aug-13 20:53:43

I don't know either Kitty - I do know that we all have bad days though, so hopefully it's just one of them? Maybe just keep an eye on things and get back to see the nice doctor if you're at all worried smile

I'm very envy of your 20 days of holiday Fizz. Grrrh! I am so not feeling work at the moment, it's a struggle to get out of bed every day at the moment. I want to be a lady of lesiure!

Oh, and I think there's something wrong with me BTW. I've been stalking the Christmas threads blush - it's the 1 August...and it's hot...but I'm excited already. DH is despairing!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Thu 01-Aug-13 22:49:20

I haven't been on the Xmas threads but I'm all over Xmas on Pinterest! I'm excited!

UnderwaterBasketWeaving Sun 04-Aug-13 20:45:49

Heloooo... <echos> anyone around? Everyone ok?

Has it finally happened? Have we grown out of the thread?

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 04-Aug-13 22:11:02

Hello there! I'm still here...just boring - got nothing of any interest to say! Not that normally stops me!

RegainingUnconsciousness Sun 04-Aug-13 22:24:26

Hello! Good-boring, I hope.

(Oh, I've nc'd. Fancied a change)

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 04-Aug-13 22:30:09

Good boring indeed. Just been pootling about at home all weekend with Test Match Special on in the background. Perfect - and much needed. Feel like we've been running about like mad things recently.

Daisy17 Mon 05-Aug-13 07:09:55

I think it's all this nice weather! We're not stuck to the sofa and our phones.....Can I have a small clue, recovering, I'm hopeless at working out name changes!

In exciting news here, we had the first wee on the potty yesterday! grin Completely by default, as we're not actively training.....he was in the bath and went suddenly quiet. Having had a nasty poo in the bath experience a while back I asked him to let me know if he thought he needed to do a poo. A bit later he said he did, so I hoiked him out and sat him on the potty. He sat there for a bit, no poo arrived, but when he stood up, there was a wee! He was very proud of himself, so we'll keep raving about it and see if he starts to want to do more.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 05-Aug-13 08:05:14

I have no idea either who the name changer is either!! grin

We had a lovely impromptu day out with the boys on Saturday. We visited a castle about an hour from us which I never even knew existed, it also had reinactors there - which ds2 loves. After that we drove to the north Norfolk coast which I had forgotten was so beautiful. The tide was out so the boys played in a channel of seawater left in the sand which was perfect. The water was warm, very shallow and teaming with small fish, crabs and prawns. Luckily we always keep emergency buckets and spades in the car so we were fully prepared grin. The day was then finished off with fish and chips on a picnic bench. We all had a great time.

I think we're going to have a quiet day at home today. The boys have had two late nights in a row and only snatched naps at lunchtime.

Dh is taking them camping next weekend with my family and I'm not going! Hurrah, two nights and days on my own. I know i will miss them and feel guilty etc etc, but I am so looking forward to it. Going to bed when I want, waking up when I want. Just generally doing what I want, when I want, with no ones schedule but mine grin

RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 05-Aug-13 08:43:13

Well done with the wee, Daisy. It's amazing how exciting bodily functions become!

That day sounds lush, ILTMI. Beautiful!

Glad all is good, Twentieth!

Tis Me! The recently lone-poster of the West, been stuck at home doing potty training! Which is going ok. We've been out a little bit, but he's not asked to go at all whilst out. No accidents either.

And the rain came back yesterday. Boo.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 05-Aug-13 15:32:20

Ah, gotcha RU. sounds like the potty training is a success. Well done both of you!

The quiet day has been a success (so far, touch wood). We all made a cake this morning - although both boys ate more banana and chocolate than they actually chopped! I bought some child friendly chopping knives from Pampered Chef and the boys love them.

I got to do some more work on my quilt while the boys had a nap, then ds2 has just gone to his Granny's until this evening. I think playdoh is next on the agenda for ds3 and I. We've got the ice cream parlour set, I certainly didn't buy it for me. No definitely not blush

NomDeClavier Mon 05-Aug-13 15:43:43

I like the NC!

I am around but chez PiLs where it is hot, hot, hot and MIL keeps fussing over me because I'm pg and supposed to rest and drink lots of fluids and to top it all of DH's perfect brother has arrived with his perfect gf and I am a hot, sweaty, puffy, mozzie bitten mess.

M is nowhere near interested in the potty. Argh! He did a wee on it the other night and I try sitting him on it regularly but he just waits for his new nappy and wees! Little bugger...

NomDeClavier Mon 05-Aug-13 15:44:14

The above is why I've not been posting. I'm grouchy and selfish.

ecuse Mon 05-Aug-13 16:52:33

I'm still here too! Not much to report - we're consumed with post- house moving stuff at the moment - still trying to get enough furniture to finish the unpacking. And clear the terrifyingly overgrown garden in time for a housewarming barbecue in a fortnight (aargh!)

We have moderate potty interest here. Occasionally I have let her run around nappy free for an afternoon and she's reasonably good at asking to sit on it if she remembers, but if watching TV or eating dinner she just forgets entirely. I'm thinking about trying it out in earnest over summer, but always envisaged taking a week off work to get it cracked, and work is way too frantic for the foreseeable to do that.

RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 05-Aug-13 17:47:42

Hey! You are all still here!

Sorry you're feeling grouchy, Nom. But you are entitled to, so carry on!

We've just had the ultimate potty test: went into the city 40 minutes away, then got stuck in horrific grockle traffic on the way home so we took over an hour to come back. F weed in the travel potty first in the car whilst in a car park (first time he's used the travel potty), and then again in the car whilst stuck at a almost standstill on the traffic halfway home. I'm relieved we've got the first outside wee done!

Ecuse, that's why we've gone for it now. Save it till you've got a good block of time.

Dentist today said I've got to have an inlay. Anyone had one, know anything about it? He also mentioned a crown, but then said inlay.

GreenFirefly Mon 05-Aug-13 19:58:55

Thanks for the advice last week ILike. The midwife I chatted to on Friday was great; reminding me that I had (eventually) got to 10cm on TENS and the lack of the urge to push and resulting c-sec was probably more to do with M's position. She also said that syntocin isn't used after a previous c-sec and that as my body had done it before it should remember what to do a bit quicker this time.
So I'm going to give the vbac a go, especially if I go into labour before c-sec date (which I haven't got yet). But as I've been saying c-sec all the way through I've not had anyone check baby's position or any engagement, etc. I need to ask at my midwife appointment later this week. My friend came round this afternoon with an exercise ball, raspberry leaf tea and clary sage oil for me smile
I'm getting to the 'fed of being pregnant' stage - I feel (and look) huge, I can only wear a couple of pairs of shoes (thank god it's summer) and the walk to nursery is beginning to take forever, though apparently it should be good for positioning.

We did manage to get to the wedding we were going to at the weekend, though arrived only just before the bride walked down the aisle. It was great to meet up with loads of friends from all over the country too. I'm just glad that we didn't add an extra guest part way through the day!

Still no potty interest here, nor with the toilet seat, though she likes to use the step to stand at the sink and wash her hands.

YoniHuman Mon 05-Aug-13 20:40:11

Signing in, my most exciting highlight of the day was the rather easy on the eye wink plumber telling me I now have running water in my kitchen again.
I am now also humming "poos on the patio" in my head to the tune of "cows in the kitchen" courtesy of ILikes post further up thread.

Day one of our holidays and dh is driving me nuts! He just can't relax. Must be doing something. We should have gone away, but thought it would be ok to stay home.

So far he has rearranged the living room, backed up the pc to an external hard drive, lifted the carpet in the spare room and screwed down the squeaky boards and tomorrow wants to cut down the trees at the back of our garden. He'll have nothing left to do by Wednesday!

Daisy17 Wed 07-Aug-13 07:57:35

[Sad] Going through a rough tantrum patch here - it's all centred on getting dressed in the morning, he just refuses, he can now see through all our negotiating tricks, and the last two mornings I've literally had to pin him down and force him into his nappy and clothes. It makes it worse that I'm on school hols at the mo, I think maybe he knows I'm not off to work? Mind you, we didn't go on our planned outing on Saturday morning either because he refused to get dressed so I'm probably just feeling guilty about nursery because I know he doesn't strictly HAVE to go. We want him to go to keep going through August (we were away en famille most of July) so that he keeps his routine going - he's also in the process of changing rooms so it's best he's there for all the settling sessions etc. They say he's happy and jolly all day long for them and loves the new room, so I think it's a power struggle rather than some awful nursery phobia. He's also waking too early, development spurt again, I think. Sorry for the massive ramble! Is there any wise alternative to wrestling with my beloved son every morning?! It upsets us all so much........

Daisy17 Wed 07-Aug-13 08:00:33

That should have been sad, pedantic use of capital letter caught me out there...... Should also add that I do have lots of practice to do so I can't just keep him at home. Justify, justify.....

Daisy17 Wed 07-Aug-13 08:02:11

Fizz, my DP's like that, it's SO annoying but actually jolly useful in the long run as I am the opposite and leave things like shed clearing undone for years even though they bug me!

I'd still send b to childminder this week if she was back at work. But she isn't, don't feel guilty for sending him.

B is a nightmare to get dressed in the morning. We have given up many time and just let him run around while we get ready in his nappy. He has actually started to dress himself.

Do y do breakfast first? May e try swapping the routine a bit?

We are taking b to see monsters university today! First trip to the cinema! Are we mad? Going to the 12.00 showing so there should be loads of kids. And we are totally prepared to leave if he is a pest. I have bags of treats to bribe him. I think he should be ok......

I'll report back!

Daisy17 Wed 07-Aug-13 08:26:12

Thanks, Fizz, for ideas and reassurance, it's SO not fun wrestling clothes onto a red faced, screaming, virtually foaming at the mouth child, is it? Apparently I went through a similar phase - my mum tells the story of how I didn't want my vest on - she finally managed to get me into it, plus the rest of my clothes, and I immediately ran to the other side of the room and stripped myself naked again! Come round to bite me on the bum, that one...... grin Was thinking of changing routine a bit and dressing him before we go downstairs, he's just so grumpy when he wakes up at the moment! His trousers looked ridiculously short this morning, must be tricky thing, growing, poor lamb.

Enjoy cinema - bet he loves it! There'll be plenty of other noisy kids there too, he might even be telling them to be quiet!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 07-Aug-13 09:22:03

Still here - just back from hols in France with my parents. Bloody hell it was hot. V.relaxing though, and I have only gained 3lbs which considering the amount of wine drunk and cheese consumed is quite amazing grin

Will read through this afternoon, I'm taking the boys out with a friend today and I'm running a bit late.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 07-Aug-13 09:24:47

Daisy - while the weather is warm like this I would take him in his pjs or nappy, whatever he will wear and let nursery have the battle. It will only take a day or so and he will change his mind.
T is a bit of a nightmare with this - but he insists on dressing himself from pullup to shoes. He is remarkably good at it, but slooooooow which is very frustrating!

Daisy17 Wed 07-Aug-13 09:30:13

Worth a shot, Ali, thanks! DP says he rang nursery just now and within two minutes of drop off he was his normal bouncy self. Maddening but reassuring.....

Well that was a disaster! We left early because b just wouldn't settle. Not helped by the fact a play scheme was in and running riot. I know kids have short attention spans but these kids were between 8and 11 I would say and they were awful. Running back and forth to the toilets in groups. And the leaders were sitting behind us away from the bulk of the group and were chatting the whole time! Staff even asked them to keep control of the 30 kids in their care.

Anyway, we will just wait for the DVD!

GreenFirefly Thu 08-Aug-13 17:15:38

Oh dear, baby is breach. Back to a elcs!! confused

RegainingUnconsciousness Thu 08-Aug-13 17:33:16

From what I've heard (and its not much) electives can be wonderfully calm and lovely. I hope yours is.

How are you feeling about it?

My cs was as elective as an emcs will allow, 24 hours notice.

It was a really calm experience. Only thing I regret is not asking for skin to skin straight away and asking if DH could cut the cord.

The nurses and anaesthetist chatted to us about the royal wedding the day before. My surgeon was Greek. He was gorgeous. The midwives called him gorgeous George! He was also very lovely and talked me through the whole thing. On the whole is was like I had a pedicure and came out with a baby (looking back, at the time I was os grateful to not be of anymore, then my bp spiked and they thought I was going to pop, so I maybe wasn't exactly like having a pedicure, but ykwim)

Alibabaandthe40nappies Thu 08-Aug-13 17:42:32

Fizz that sounds horrendous!

Green my elective with T was great, a totally different experience to my EMCS with DS1. I went through my notes with the doctor who performed my first section, and he said that there was no way DS1 was going to have come out on his own because of the way he was lying, he was totally stuck. He booked me in for my elective on a day when he knew he would be there to do it, and it was so so different and very cathartic. For one thing I wasn't totally spaced on masses of drugs so the aftermath was just lovely, we were tucked up in bed and feeding within 45 minutes smile

RegainingUnconsciousness Thu 08-Aug-13 17:45:28

See, I knew I'd heard some lovely stories! grin


GreenFirefly Thu 08-Aug-13 17:57:46

Feeling, well, not sure really. I spend months saying c-sec then the last 2 weeks thinking vbac. It's just funny. I hope baby doesn't continue to be awkwardsmile . I'm considering suitable punishments involving frills, bad knitting and photosgrin. More seriously we have a date now so can plan a bit, assuming I don't go into labour and an elcs should be more relaxed than the emcs after 30 hours labour if last time.I'll also try to get the scar healing better than last time.
Of course baby could turn but it wasn't thought it was likely as there's not much room. I'll work on it though, as it really hurts to sneeze at the moment due to a head pushing against my belly.

GreenFirefly Thu 08-Aug-13 18:02:09

There will be secures afterwards. I'm not risking my scar for toenails grin

GreenFirefly Thu 08-Aug-13 18:02:35

secures? - pedicures

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 12-Aug-13 15:08:24


I just spent the weekend entirely on my own. It was bliss. DH took the boys camping with some family.

I only had myself to please. I got up when I wanted to and I spent ages on my sewing machine without having to pack it up overnight. I even left my sharp pointy scissors out. I lived life on the edge I tell you!

RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 12-Aug-13 15:23:13

Sounds lush ILTMI!

With that kind of freedom I'd be hard pushed to get off the sofa and eat anything other thank chocolate and cereal!


RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 12-Aug-13 16:20:07

I've just measured my boobs from the Better Bra Campaign threads. I'm currently wearing a 32B. Any guesses on what the measuring instructions make me?!

Daisy17 Mon 12-Aug-13 16:24:07

28DD?! I know I was flabbergasted when I had mine done at Bravissimo the first time, smaller chest, much bigger cups. Brilliant though.

RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 12-Aug-13 16:58:41

That's it! Isn't it bizarre?! I spent so much of my teenage years upset that they didn't make anything smaller than a 34A and they gaped. All because of that stupid measuring thing.

Although I'm not really going to believe it till I try a D cup on.

I was impressed when mothercare measured me as 36DD when I was pregnant. With hindsight, they must have been unfathomably humongous!

RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 12-Aug-13 16:59:47

(In that in my mind D cups are the realm of page 3 models, etc.)

Well I'm a 38hh!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Mon 12-Aug-13 18:47:24

32HH here. Bravissimo changed my life as a student!

RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 12-Aug-13 18:49:32


Just had a google, though, and there doesn't seem to be many high street shops that stock 28DD. I don't want to buy online really (that's what 16 yrs of teeny boobs and ill-fitting bras will do for your faith in bra sizing)

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 12-Aug-13 18:52:32

Goes off to find the thread and tape measure ........

Harrumph just lost a huge post with links and everything <grumpy face>

Try bravissimo curvy kate and brastop for online. I'm sure you can google them!

Depending how you measure you may need to try a size either side so for you a 30d or a 26e!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Mon 12-Aug-13 19:13:51

I had the whole day to myself yesterday, it was bloody lovely! I just pottered around at home and had a nap, fantastic grin

I'm a 34GG/H thanks to those bra threads, rather than the 38FF that I was wearing previously.
Suddenly, clothes that I thought I couldn't wear (anything with anything approaching a high neck, blouses with buttons down the front etc) - I can! Absolutely life changing.

RU - try brastop. I always order a big pile to get free delivery and returns and then send a load back so that the postage doesn't cost me anything.

chattychattyboomba Mon 12-Aug-13 19:31:08

Hello! I hope you don't mind me jumping on here! I have been AWOL for a few months but I'm back!
How is everyone?
I see we're talking about bras!
I have never had my bust measured. I am too scared! What does it involve? I booked a fitting with m&s while I was pregnant but the lady was really snotty so I left... Then I booked one with John Lewis and she just told me to try on a few different sizes (errr!) so I chickened out now.
Anyway I'm pretty sure I am a 34b/c- depends on the make!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Mon 12-Aug-13 19:33:40

That's it exactly Ali - my whole wardrobe changed when I started wearing decent bras. Looking back, I can't believe i was ever cramming myself into an M&S DD cup...

Don't get me started on the joys of proper bra sized underwired swimwear. That truly was a revelation!

Not sure what I'd do with a whole day to myself. Not sure I'd get out of bed to bed honest. I'm ridiculously tired at the moment.

RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 12-Aug-13 19:39:28

This is the big bra thread

And this is the blog that explains the measuring and fitting

I'm just reading through the big thread and I really identify with what people have said about the perceptions of different bra sizes, like anything bigger than a D is Big and possibly slaggy.

What's mental, is that the bra companies don't even seem to realise this, and nothing smaller than a 28 back is made. Although I suppose if this campaign catches on, and people stop buying the enormous back sizes, then they'll respond to demand.

It's a revelation having a decent fitting bra! My posture is better I have a waist!

Seriously everyone should be remeasured <evangelical>

Daisy17 Mon 12-Aug-13 20:46:49

smile Proper bras are wonderful. Anyone else's chest got bigger due to pregnancy, though? I was a 28 and now more like a 30/32. Everything else back to normal size now but not that, and some fitted dresses are unwearable. Weird!

Hello, chatty, have you namechanged? Am hopeless at working out who people are.....

RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 12-Aug-13 21:00:19

I'll never know now I've discovered my chest size is actually 28.

But only one pre-pregnancy pair of jeans doesn't fit. The others were all fine (though I went through the knees with all the kneeling on the floor when he was tiny) but my favourite flarey jeans are too small round my hips. It seems to be a very specific bit of my hips though, that I can't pinpoint. But there you go. I expect it makes me look slightly less like a pre-pubescent boy than I used to!

NomDeClavier Mon 12-Aug-13 21:07:57

I have the same problem with my favourite flarey jeans too regaining

I had the revelation when I was 21. Went from a 36D to a 32F, down to a 32E/DD, up to an H when BFing and back down to an F and now a G so heading back up to my nursing bras....

Get thee to a decent indy bra shop! Or shop online and return loads.

GreenFirefly Mon 12-Aug-13 21:51:33

I'm so looking forward to be able to wear some other clothes - any other clothes! I'm down to 2 pairs of leggings which I'm wearing with 3 different dresses and some yoga pants. I could wear wrap around skirts but still need the leggings to avoid fat thigh rub sad. Just over a week to go to c-sec, then obviously I'll probably still be in the leggings and yoga pants for a good while but I'll be on the road back to jeans smile and I guess if things don't fit me in 18 months or so they'll be going on ebay.

We've been busy getting all the baby stuff out of the loft this evening and I'll be washing all the 0-3month clothes and the baby bedding tomorrow. I think we're prepared(ish). I've been busy cooking and have freezers full of stuff, the pantry is also full of random tins of things.
I just need to re-pack hospital bags in preparation for a slightly longer stay.

I should do the bra measuring thing. I've read bits of the threads it might just make me do more shopping though grin

RegainingUnconsciousness Thu 15-Aug-13 06:41:20


Very exciting times for you Green! Hope you're feeling good.

F's woken up with a cough and a rattly chest and a temperature. He seems fine in himself (playing IPad games at 6:30) but I might see if the doc can have a look later.

Oh poor F RU,but ime iPad games is a cure to many illnesses and fixes sore bits almost instantly!

Green, hang fire on the bra measuring, as your rib age will be bigger just now with the upward pressure from baby, you'll end up with a bra that's too big in a few months (sorry if you already know this!)

How exciting for you though. For your bag can I suggest some isotonic drinks for after your cs. You will be nil by mouth before you go down and I found them really great afterwards.

JollyHappyGiant Thu 15-Aug-13 07:20:15

Signing in. Nothing to report.

ELCS booked for a week today. arrgh!!!!!

You'll be fine Jolly! Can't wait for all the baby news!!

GreenFirefly Thu 15-Aug-13 12:24:27

well I'll excite you fizz. I'm lying with an 8lb 4 baby girl. waters went last night about 11.30 and c-sec this morning about 7am. She's fed for 90mins and now sleeping it off grin she's gorgeous.

RegainingUnconsciousness Thu 15-Aug-13 12:50:59

Wowee Green! Congratulations!

Good job you got all the baby bits sorted out the other day! And you'll be ready for those new bras in a few days too!

Good weight, good feed, and good sleeping. Well done you!

Hope the c-sec was a good experience. x

TwentiethCenturyGirl Thu 15-Aug-13 14:15:16

Wooooop! Congratulations - that's fabulous news. Well done you!

Enjoy your newborn snuggles. Hope DD1 enjoys meeting her little sister smile

JollyHappyGiant Thu 15-Aug-13 14:26:19

Firefly! Well done you smile

Daisy17 Thu 15-Aug-13 14:51:12

Whoop! grin

Aw! Congratulations Green! A beautiful little girl and look cake to celebrate!

does dh know how to work the washing machine? grin

GreenFirefly Thu 15-Aug-13 18:20:37

mmm cake. need to keep my strength up for feedinggrin Feel sore but will try to keep up with painkillers to keeping at bay. DH brought M earlier but she was very confused about everything and wouldn't come near me for a hug sad
hoping for some sleep tonight.

GreenFirefly Thu 15-Aug-13 18:23:21

yes, Dh can use the washing machine. there's lots to do after my waters went last nightshock. apparently mil has vacuumed the house today, and put washing away. will I find anything ever again?? confused

RegainingUnconsciousness Thu 15-Aug-13 18:27:58

cake cake cake cake cake cake

It's your duty to eat cake! If you were near here I'd bring you the cakes I made yesterday - I'm rubbish at cooking and baking but these came our ok!

I'm sure M will come round soon. The whole hospital thing is very intimidating.

<boring alert> I name-tagged a load of Fs clothes this arvo with these little clip on things. They're really good! [saddo] They're sturdier than iron on and go on quicker than iron & sew ons.

I'm sorry. I tried to keep that mundanity to myself but I couldn't. I'm going out tonight for conversation with actual grown ups.

Kittycatcat Thu 15-Aug-13 20:24:15

Finally caught up.

Whoop green. So happy for you and your gorgeous girl. M will be fine.

Dh and I have this week off and started toilet training s Monday. Monday several pees on the floor. One Tuesday. None yesterday. One today. We've even been out. Went straight to pants and toilet. He prefers to stand! V relieved.

Daisy17 Fri 16-Aug-13 08:11:00

RU I'm interested! Maybe it's being teachers that makes us obsessive about name labels......What are these clip-on labels of which you speak? Link, please.

Well done, Kitty and S!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 16-Aug-13 08:34:21

Whoopee! Congratulations on your little girl fire. Welcome to the world little one!

M will be fine when you're home. We had that with ds2 when his Granny was in hospital. She is one of his favourite people ever but he wouldnt go near her, the environment completely freaked him out.

Good luck for next week jolly , i bet it's all seeming rather real grin

I love your mundanity ubw! I am actually being serious, so I'll join the saddo club with you!

Well done S and kitty. It makes me think I need to try with I again. Maybe next week ........

The boys are staying at my sisters for the weekend, whoop whoop. Dh probably thinks we're going to have a sexathon, I'm thinking of a doing a fuckallathon grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 16-Aug-13 08:37:07

Oh, and any clue who chattychattyboomba is? confused grin

RegainingUnconsciousness Fri 16-Aug-13 09:36:41

It's these.

And no idea ILTMI, but I didn't like to say in case it was just me being a bit dim!

Can I join I with the mundanity? Is there a clip on the otherside of those clips?i really should label bs things but have never gotten round to it.

RegainingUnconsciousness Fri 16-Aug-13 11:06:25

Yep, it's like a little button on either side, although the side designed to go next to skin is rounded & smooth.

Just ordered some!

Daisy17 Fri 16-Aug-13 12:13:20

Ooh, will try those! More mundanity, then.....am buying a new rucksack to cycle to school with. Normally go quite techy but thought I might go for something bit jollier this time. Dilemma = nice red and blue squares effect, understated OR rather out-there but really rather love it turquoise paisley effect at TWICE the price.......confused

RegainingUnconsciousness Fri 16-Aug-13 12:18:58


We have a rucksack for every occasion. From your tiny superlight camelback to enormous hiking backpack that I could fit in.

We use 2 most of the time.

Daisy17 Fri 16-Aug-13 12:24:56

(Whispers....) But it's fifty quid! shock But there again, I've had the other one for over 15 years......

RegainingUnconsciousness Fri 16-Aug-13 12:30:18

£50! Does it do tricks too?!

Daisy17 Fri 16-Aug-13 12:34:06

Not really, just looks snazzy......!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Fri 16-Aug-13 12:38:33

Backpacks are very on trend this season (so my friend who's a buyer for a high end store) tells me. <unhelpful>

NomDeClavier Fri 16-Aug-13 12:46:01

Oh exciting news green Name yet?

RegainingUnconsciousness Fri 16-Aug-13 12:50:53

Presumably not the kind we have though, but those drawstring top & cheese wire strap things the kids are using that I had in 1993

RegainingUnconsciousness Fri 16-Aug-13 12:53:18

Like this but not as cool.

There are some seriously nice bags on that site though.

Oh dear...

God are hose back on trend? I still have mine for my school days I. The loft!

I love bags, I have taken 6 with me this weekend because I couldn't decide which on went with my dress best. I know it's bad I have 6 bags that go with one dress! Fat girls friend though, a bag!

Daisy17 Fri 16-Aug-13 13:04:45

Ooh, I love those but they do just cut your arms off if there's more than a pencil in it.....can't do links on my phone but Amazon - Eastpak Provider are the ones I'm looking at.....Boldbox Red and Paisley Blossom are the two I'm dithering between......

RegainingUnconsciousness Fri 16-Aug-13 13:05:09

The trendier 15yo's I teach had them before the holidays.

Don't know if that translates to grown ups though.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Fri 16-Aug-13 13:32:30

Apparently they need to be square in shape to fit with the fashionistas...

My friend is tres fashionable though - think fashion week style outfits. I'm a jeans and converse girl, so I take her tips with a pinch of salt!

Daisy17 Fri 16-Aug-13 14:51:57

Ooh, excited, my mum says I never got round to telling her what I wanted for my birthday (in Feb!) so she's going to buy the funky-but-ridiculously-expensive one for me! grin

Hope today's going well, Green. flowers

Kittycatcat Fri 16-Aug-13 16:52:54

Oh excellent daisy

We've been to the lolibop festival. Not impressed by lack no show of peppa or mr tumble

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 16-Aug-13 21:03:16

Congratulations Green! grin

On the name tape/sticker front I highly recommend Easy2name. They do stickers which survive the dishwasher, and are also great for sticking onto the insides of shoes. I confess that I do sew name tapes into DS1's uniform.

RegainingUnconsciousness Sat 17-Aug-13 07:43:09

I did have sew on ones last year, but that novelty wore off pretty quickly! I wanted something longer lasting than iron-on ones but quicker than sew so I could just pop one on when we got new bits, etc.

These clip on ones seem great for both those criteria.

Got a bunch of stickers too, for shoes, drinks bottles etc.

GreenFirefly Sat 17-Aug-13 13:39:33

We're just waiting to be picked up to go home nowsmile Can't wait. Will announce name once I've told my mum, even though she made the birth announcement and put first puck on Facebook before we could.angry

RegainingUnconsciousness Sat 17-Aug-13 14:02:48

Yay! Home time!

Will you have the same moment of quiet wonder that you do with the first?

Same about the fb. I expect she's dead excited though!

RegainingUnconsciousness Sat 17-Aug-13 14:22:45


GreenFirefly Sat 17-Aug-13 16:46:04

Baby Anna and I are home now. M seems very pleased I'm back, as is DH. M seems accepting of the new addition to the family. Especially as Anna bought her some happyland characters grin I'm sore but better than at this stage last time. smile just got to try not to do too much...
Feeding going well. A seems to know what to do.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sat 17-Aug-13 18:32:42

Love love LOVE the name Anna. Would have been on my list if a family member hadn`t got in first. Glad you're both doing well smile

I'm glad the Happyland bribe has worked with M too. Clever baby Anna to buy her big sis a pressie wink

Beautiful name, simple elegant and timeless, good choice green.

Glad you are home, just remember not to do too much. Just sit and snuggle your girls and be waited on grin

Kittycatcat Sat 17-Aug-13 20:48:01

So happy for you green, and love the name. Send more pics when you can. She's a beauty x

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sun 18-Aug-13 17:39:10

Green that is lovely that you are home and all happy smile

My SIL had her baby yesterday morning - 7 hour first labour! We went for a quick visit this afternoon, baby is just beautiful and the DS's loved seeing her smilesmilesmile

Is it a full moon? My friend is in labour too, it's stop start, but she's been admitted for an infection. Babies everywhere!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 18-Aug-13 20:22:05

Anna is a lovely name firefly smile

I didn't realise you were going to ba an aunty Ali, what a great excuse to go out and do some baby shopping grin

The boys have been at my sister's for two days and a night, we've just picked them up and they're in bed. They're exhausted but had a great time <relief> and <when can we palm them off again!>

Dh and I walked along the Southbank (holding hands, not a small child's hand or a buggy!), mooched round the Tate Modern then had a late lunch at Wahaca. OMG the food was to die for - great flavours and really fresh tasting. We then went to Westfield in Stratford and done a bit of shopping. Oh, and we saw Sid and Andy from CBeebies in Westfield and got a picture of them. We were chatting to them and they asked where our kids were. So we explained that they weren't with us, they must have thought we were slightly odd asking for a photo when our kids weren't there....

Today we went out for lunch again then went to see the new Alan Partridge film. If you are an Alan Partridge fan you must go, it is hilarious. I laughed from start to finish.

RegainingUnconsciousness Sun 18-Aug-13 21:27:49

You met Sid and Andy?! I'm actually jealous!

We've just finished watching series 2 of Game of Thrones. Having missed it all on tv, we've got to wait till February for series 3 to come out on DVD.

Good job I've got to go back to work in a fortnight!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 18-Aug-13 21:39:32

Winter is coming .........


Kittycatcat Sun 18-Aug-13 21:53:38

Ilike we saw them at lolibop. grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 19-Aug-13 08:36:33

I just googled Lolibop and it's all making sense now. When we were driving to Westfield we commented that we had never seen so many people with buggies in one place (we didn't see any signs for Lolibop so didn't know it was happening).

When we went over to say hello to Sid & Andy, Andy had his girlfriend (I presume) sitting on his lap. It seemed a bit wrong grin

I can't believe that the summer holidays are passing so quickly. I need to pull my finger out and order ds's shoes really, don't I?!

Kittycatcat Mon 19-Aug-13 12:14:12

Lol ilike grin. Yeah it was bedlam. Won't go again. Yeah that dies seen wrong

Kittycatcat Mon 19-Aug-13 12:14:27


RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 19-Aug-13 13:58:56

We're out at a zoo (the one from We Bought A Zoo) and F has just launched his food across he room. He's having time out outside with me now.

Plate launching in rage is becoming a recurring thing. Any suggestions?

No plates? Sorry, not helpful, b has only done that once, nfortunatly with spag Bol.

Back to work tomorrow :,(

RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 19-Aug-13 17:27:07

Aargh - and hitting. <exasperated>

We're now driving home in silence after F repeatedly hit me whilst in the shop. He kept running away, so he went in the carrier. He then started hitting me. I eventually just put him down on the floor in a kind of make shift time out. He knew what he had done wrong, was able to articulate it, knew he had to say sorry bit wouldn't actually do it.

So he went back up on dh's back for a bit. Then I ended up carrying him as we were leaving. He hit me again, so I put him down in the shop and went to pay. I don't know what else he got up to but as I was paying DH whisked him out to the car.

He's being ignored (mature, I know, but I can't go back to fawning over him yet). We'll have another talk about things when we get home. (And before the 'I don't want tea' tantrums)

Any ideas? Is this just him being 2? (It's hard to tell since he's been a tantrumming grump since birth) Are we always going to have that horrible child that hits, whines and throws tantrums?

I can't even eat the chocolate I just sneakily bought because it'll set him off again.

Kittycatcat Tue 20-Aug-13 07:10:47

Sorry regaining hmm that sounds hard work. Can you use suction plates?

And fizz it was a full moon last night.

I saw a psychic last night. If ur interested let me know.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 20-Aug-13 08:03:25

With the next plate chucking I would scoop the food up, get to his level and tell him that if he does it again his food will be taken away and there will be no snacks. Odds are he won't care and will do it again. So carry through with what you said and put the food in the bin. Do all of this in a normal voice and don't let him know how much it is bugging you. He will probably do it a few more times until he realises that he's hungry and not going to get a reaction from you.

It really is normal 2yo behaviour. Annoying,but normal. The hitting thing is too. Have you worked out what the trigger is for the hitting? Tiredness, attention etc etc. Finding that out is often the way to working out a solution or preempting it.

What did you find out kitty? I always feel very torn because on one hand I do think they are a load of crap, but then I've been to see one before and she mentioned quite a few specific and un generic things about me and my family confused

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 20-Aug-13 08:04:54

Oh, and also with the plate chucking. If part of it is being overwhelmed with a plate full of food in front of him. Just put a few things on his plate, then when he has eaten it put more on etc etc

Daisy17 Tue 20-Aug-13 08:44:07

No wise advice, RU, but hugs.

ecuse Tue 20-Aug-13 20:37:06

Congratulations, green and beautiful name choice. It would have been top of my list had it not been my little sister's name!

Bizarrely got an evening to ourselves, as J's childminder's daughter wanted J to have a sleepover with her so she's there tonight. She goes Tuesday and Wednesday anyway, so it doesn't make that much difference, but I'm oddly missing her.

Was just about to say that we're not doing anything exciting anyway - DP is out seeing clients and I'm at home working late - but he's just rung and persuaded me to ditch work and meet him at the pub in an hour when he gets back to the area so it looks like I'm going on an impromptu date grin

Oh, and I need to do a not very <stealth> boast about having the best toddler in the world, ever. We had a housewarming party on Saturday night. It was a bit more boistrous than expected. Most of the day was quite sedate - lots of friends with kids over for a bbq but they were mostly gone by 8pm and then the wave of friends without kids arrived and it got a bit more lively. A small hardcore of people were still singing karaoke at 7am (shock not me; I conked out at 3am and considered I'd done well). Our awesome daughter went to bed mid-party at 8pm with not a murmer of complaint, woke once at midnight to complain "I don't want to go to bed, I want to sing with Daddy", but fell straight back to sleep, and then gave us a lie in until 9.30am. <proud mother emoticon> <hoping none of the nighbours called SS>

kitty I was considering going to Lolibop but didn't get round to buying tickets (plus - aforementioned housewarming). Bit glad I didn't now if Peppa didn't come. She would have been the main attraction. Did you not enjoy? Should I not bother next year?

RegainingUnconsciousness Tue 20-Aug-13 22:01:44

You are the party queen, ecuse! Boast away! 3am!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Wed 21-Aug-13 14:16:09

Forget staying up until 3am, please advise how you managed to persuade your toddler to stay in bed until 9:30?!

My toddler is still under the misapprehension that anything past 6:30 constitutes a lie in. It doesn't!

ecuse Wed 21-Aug-13 15:07:18

I think we're just super, super lucky. She still has a dummy in bed, which might help? She woke up at 8am but she was content to sit in the cot singing to herself for an hour and a half (I always leave a few books on the unit next to her bed that she can reach to entertain herself - slummy mummy!)

It doesn't happen all the time that she'll sleep that late, but it's not unheard of either. Mind you, it always seems to happen on the days DP is supposed to get up with her and me have a lie-in. When it's my turn to get up she's usually dancing a jig at about 7am. I realise even that is nothing to complain about on the standard scale of toddler sleeping.

On work days we usually have to wake her up at 6.45 to get out the door at 7.15.

Daisy17 Wed 21-Aug-13 15:46:08

envy Sigh. Fancy a swap, ecuse? wink

5am this morning <zombiefied> we have tried cutting naps short, going down later, but all that happens is he is super grumpy. He actually tells us when he wants to go to beam so who are we to say no!!

Good news today, CM got the all clear smile

RegainingUnconsciousness Wed 21-Aug-13 17:30:15

grin and thanks for your cm, Fizz!

We've just got F to about 8am, it's taken 4.5 weeks! But he is also waking up twice a night at the moment.

However <excited!> the gro clock arrived today. So I'll let you know if that has any effect.

We also got a "family" toilet seat from Lidl today, so no more separate seat in the downstairs loo. Simple thing, but it's brilliant.

RegainingUnconsciousness Wed 21-Aug-13 17:31:36

Oh, not that I'm complaining about 8am, it's bloody lush! We're prepping for cot sides of take 2.

Kittycatcat Wed 21-Aug-13 17:38:53

That's fab fizz

TwentiethCenturyGirl Wed 21-Aug-13 17:54:53

Great news Fizz smile

Things have taken a turn for the worse in the mornings since we took the cot sides off. She used to lie in her cot and entertain herself. Now she clambers out and rattles the stair gate on her room until one of us rescues her. Yawn. How old does she have to be before I send her downstairs to watch telly on her own wink

Keep us posted on the gro clock RU I may consider a purchase myself if you're successful with it.

Sorry to rain on the gro clock parade, but its not worked for us at all. B appears to prefer the moon!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Wed 21-Aug-13 18:08:19

Hmm. I fear it'd be the same with my contrary Mary too!

RegainingUnconsciousness Wed 21-Aug-13 21:22:15

Well, it looks cool and we thought it was worth a try. It made him want to have an early nap today. Which may have contributed to him going to sleep slightly earlier this evening. But that novelty won't last till tomorrow!

GreenFirefly Thu 22-Aug-13 10:23:30

We just use the gro clock as part of the bedtime routine to say night night to the sunshine. we haven't even attempted to get her to wait until it reappears but M is pretty good anyway. I can't recall her coming I to our room before 6am for ages.

We have a bath issue at the moment. While I was in hospital DH and has mum bathed M while she was tantruming. she's now completely refusing to get in the bath. she'll play with toys from the side quite happily but won't get in. Any ideas? DH is kicking himself for taking his mums advice to bath her anyway.sad

Is today when Jolly meets her baby?

RegainingUnconsciousness Thu 22-Aug-13 17:58:42

Can you take her in the shower with one of you? F often sits in the bottom of the shower playing with his toys while DH or I shower. We just sneak a bit of a wash in too.

What about taking her swimming, or getting in the bath with her for a while so she sees it as fun again?

GreenFirefly Thu 22-Aug-13 18:37:44

DH tried to get her in the bath with him but no luck. I'm a bit wary at the moment due to c-sec - don't want to scare her, I haven't even looked at it yet! nor did she seem keen on the shower and that still invoices getting in the bath. she got new bath toys today, hoping they might help.

RegainingUnconsciousness Fri 23-Aug-13 08:51:39

Hey, how is everyone today?

So, regarding the ongoing #2 debate, I'm now sure I want a second. It's not rational, or logical. But DH has been dead against it. Until last night, when he admitted he's coming around to the idea!

But, we can't ttc till next summer to make sure we don't have to pay 2 lots of childcare (we'll still have wraparound care, but it'll be nothing compared to current ft costs).

Just needed to share! Thanks! grin

JollyHappyGiant Fri 23-Aug-13 09:12:54

My no2 arrived yesterday smile Rebecca Piper.

She seems very good at feeding so far. Clever thing smile can't believe we have a girl!

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 23-Aug-13 09:28:18

Congratulations Jolly! grin

Green don't feel badly towards your MIL, she was probably worrying about trying to keep things 'normal' smile Suddenly becoming the older sibling is a huge jolt for a toddler. Mummy isn't there, everything is weird and they have to let it out somehow.
I would just step right back from her having a bath at the moment. Let her play in the bathroom when you or DH go in there, and get her to 'help' bath the baby and hopefully she'll come round.
How's the scar?

Congratulations Jolly, lovely name smile

RU, I would love a second too, but I really can't get my head round having two. I really don't think I'd cope.

Kittycatcat Fri 23-Aug-13 11:10:31

Congratulations jolly. Lovely name x

RegainingUnconsciousness Fri 23-Aug-13 12:07:03

Congratulations Jolly!

Fizz, I've struggled with F, I know, and I've no idea how we'd cope with 2. But I'm imagining that by the time he's going to school things should be easier. And I'm forgetting the horrors more daily! (If that even makes sense!)

TwentiethCenturyGirl Fri 23-Aug-13 13:03:22

Congratulations Jolly!

I'm not sure how I'll cope with two either but am just going to have to get on with it! Childcare costs are going to cripple us but I've got my head firmly stuck in the sand with regard to that at the moment!

Isn't MrsW due soon too? Another wee one on the way smile

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 23-Aug-13 13:10:49

Many congratulations jolly, overly news smile

jolly - I would try putting your dh and both the dd's in the bath, under the pretence of you would really like dd1 to be a helpful big sister and help bath her little sister. If that doesnt work, like Ali said, step away from the situation and it will probably remedy itself.

Somehow you do just cope with more than 1, it all just seems to work out. I should think that in the early years it is also easier having a bigger gap as the older sibling can help. And even though every baby is different, it really is easier the more times you do it. I think you become more relaxed and accepting.

The gro clock worked (and still does) with ds2, but I'm sure he was older when we introduced it, maybe 2.5-3yo?

We've had my niece and nephew staying for the past three days. My niece has bathed the boys and got up with them in the morning, and my nephew has put ds3 down for naps. I'm trying to train them for childcare cover during the school holidays for when I eventually go bak to work grin

ecuse Fri 23-Aug-13 21:52:23

Congrats, Jolly! I've no idea who you are, I have a bit lost track of the thread, but I assume you're one of the regulars with a name change grin. I'm working late for the third time this week. Fed up and can't concentrate (so I'm on here instead). Grump.

GreenFirefly Sat 24-Aug-13 11:47:55

Congratulations Jolly smile
We got a little closer with the bath issue yesterday. Brought heterosexual best friend round to put them in together. She did only stand in for a second in the 40 minutes but its a start...
Also been worrying about A not waking to feed much in the night. she went 4+ hours last night and I had to wake her. not sure whether to worry or celebrate. she has made up for it a bit this morning.
And to top if off I think I've got a bit of an infection sad scar stinging and a red patch, unfortunately I've not had much opportunity to air dry it. going to try and get an ooh appointment now.

GreenFirefly Sat 24-Aug-13 11:49:03

why does my phone change her to heterosexual ??shock angry

Oh green, I'm sorry but I just laughed out loud there!

Jolly dips in and out <waves> and is usually at least JollySomethingGiant. She's from my neck of the woods!

GreenFirefly Sat 24-Aug-13 12:38:15

it's not the worst time its used it - texting 'we are here' can be interesting grin confused

GreenFirefly Sat 24-Aug-13 15:37:31

been to ooh. not infected smile just stinging as it heals.

RegainingUnconsciousness Sat 24-Aug-13 19:01:38

That's good news Green. Take it easy (as much as you can!)

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 24-Aug-13 22:11:20

Lol @ heterosexual grin

Ds3 had his feet measured today. He is 8.5 shock and well on his way to a size 9 [ double shock ] . I wondered why his size 7.5 shoes were tricky to get on blush

We've spent a flipping fortune on the boys shoes this week. They are not allowed to grow for at least six months <gavel>

Kittycatcat Sat 24-Aug-13 22:44:55

Green, wash scar with soap. Pay dry with towel or kitchen pepper. Blow dry with hair drier. When you see do ask for yellow cream. I'm sure I still have it so will dig out the name for you. A went longer at night than in the day!

PoorB is still a 4 in shoes!! His shoes are actually looking a bit battered and he needs new ones!!

Green, I would just try to air it as much as possible.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 25-Aug-13 17:26:03

Gosh Fizz, I wish B and DD could swop - she's in a 7 at the moment. I really don't want her to have massive feet...I'm a 6.5/7 and I'm envious of my friends with little feet.

Mind you, she's really tall so I suppose it's all in proportion. Is DS3 tall too ILike?

Good news about the scar Green - glad there's no infection smile

Until I had b I varied between a 4 and 5 now I'm more a 5.5/6. My little granny was only a 2!

Dh, although tall, has relatively small feet at a 10 so B doesn't have it in his genes! He is smack bang on the 50th percentile. Joe average!! I have size 5s and 6s in the wardrobe waiting for his feet to grow!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Sun 25-Aug-13 19:01:49

Size two! It's be fab - your granny could have saved some money by buying kids trainers!

GreenFirefly Sun 25-Aug-13 19:15:09

I'm a 3 (at least I hope I still am, not worn proper shoes for a couple of months now) I love being able to buy kids shoes. I think my work shoes are teenage boys sketchers grin
M is a 5 at the moment but she virtually lives in her pink doodles. hasn't even tried on the purple sparkly ones I got her. It's lucky we had another girl, maybe she won't be so picky with clothes and shoes grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 25-Aug-13 22:09:45

I have a feeling ds3's first shoes were a 5! There's not much hope though really, dh and I are both the same height (5'10"), I'm an 8 and dh is 9.

He is tall for his age, but I still think that like ds2 their feet are noticeably big - especially with ds2 because he has very narrow feet and stick like legs!

My friend is a size 2 fizz, I crack up every time I go round her house and see these teeny tiny shoes in her porch. There has never been anything dainty about me!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Tue 27-Aug-13 21:30:59

My house is infested with giant bastard spiders shockhmm Two massive specimens over the last couple of days and numerous smaller ones.

I'm just recovering from a heart attack after noticing one sprinting across the living room floor while watching Bake Off. Thankfully DH was able to dispatch it using DD's Peppa Pig magazine!

I am truly terrified of them. I hate spider season hmm Sob.

RegainingUnconsciousness Tue 27-Aug-13 22:00:55

grin I love spiders! We've got loads of flies around, so I'd welcome a few more flies to keep them in check.

I've been out with my friend's horse this evening! We hadn't got together for ages, even though they live not far from here, but she invited me out to see him a few weeks ago and we've been out for a few rides since! It's brill. I'd forgotten how much I love it.

RegainingUnconsciousness Tue 27-Aug-13 22:10:08

Oh, and in more relevant news. We've taken the sides off Fs cot again (oh yes, while I was out this evening!), although today he hadn't had a nap so it was a good opportunity. It could still descend into chaos though, so I'm expecting the sides to be back on again by next week!

I think F is about a size 6.5 at the moment. He needs new wellies before the winter...

Anyone else seeing RU sitting in a restaurant opposite a horse using a knife and fork!?

Baby news here! Friend had little girl and work colleague is PG. u fortuaptly she has HG and really uwell (but considering we thought she had some ing more sinister) I'm so happy for her! <broody>

RegainingUnconsciousness Tue 27-Aug-13 22:21:26

I did have cake!

Congrats to your friend and colleague! I'm fully back in the "excited by babies" camp! I think I've finally got over the trauma of The First Year!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Wed 28-Aug-13 06:32:03

I had also got over the dread of the first year but am now remembering it again with increasing regularity. I'm going to miss sleep!

You can pop round and collect my horrid eight legged monsters whenever you want RU. I am being terrorised in my own home hmm

ecuse Wed 28-Aug-13 13:28:08

Impressed at all these big feet. Joanna has been in size 4.5s since November. This would be great if we had only had to buy one pair of shoes, howver we've been through three in that time anyway cause she keeps kicking the chuffing things off when sitting in her pushchair. More than once I've had random strangers chasing me in the street yelling "SCUSE ME IS THIS YOUR BABY'S SHOE??". But obviously not quite often enough, as (one each of) two pairs have been lost that way.

I am so far very pleased with the new house having minimal spider action, compared with the last flat which was full of the buggers.

<arrives to thread with singing ovaries and the lingering smell of new born>

Just met my friends new DD! She is beautiful! Tried to sneak her out under my jumper but they weren't having any of it! grin

Kittycatcat Thu 29-Aug-13 08:11:28

Congrats for all the new babies.

S has his first solo settling in session at pre school this morning. He's doing Thursday mornings.

I've got the pnd hv specialist coming today. I said yes to referral in the beginning but have avoided her as my hv has been so supportive.

RegainingUnconsciousness Thu 29-Aug-13 18:48:30

Hope S enjoyed nursery, and the PNH HV was helpful, Kitty.

F is being an arse. I've put him to bed fairly early because he's tired, hasn't had a nap, etc. and it was only 20 minutes before I gave in and put the side back on the cot. After feigning needing a wee, he kicked and spat at me. Put him in time out. Went to talk to him about it and he continuously spat on me. Time out again. And returned to more spitting. Tried just putting him in his room and shutting the door - he came to the door claiming he'd bumped his head (flailing around on the floor) and then started spitting on me again. I tried telling him off: he laughed and spat on me some more. So amid the shower of saliva I put the sides back on so I could at least safely ignore him.

It's disgusting. He doesn't do this for DH of course. I was so close to doing the "wait till your father gets home" self-undermining nonsense.

I feel better for just offloading that. Any practical suggestions are welcome.

Kittycatcat Fri 30-Aug-13 07:03:21

Good lord regaining. Ive no advice unfortunately but winewinexxx

ecuse Fri 30-Aug-13 15:31:11

Crikey, RU, I have no idea how I would deal with that but, as kitty says, wine wine wine for you. Are you okay?

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 30-Aug-13 17:42:17

It is horrible RU, but quite normal. Ds3 used to do it when he was very excited. Try to remember that what adults associate with spitting (aggressive, antisocial behaviour etc), isnt what F associates it with. For him it's probably about getting attention. I've found that if saying no doesn't work, then ignore - lots of biting of your tongue.

How did per school and the HV go kitty ?

I can't believe that there are only 2 weekdays of the holiday left. On Wednesday ds2 starts primary and ds3 starts preschool <tissues at the ready>

RegainingUnconsciousness Fri 30-Aug-13 18:45:45

Thanks folks thanks

I felt pretty bad, but F was out like a light immediately after. Obviously over tired.

I felt even better when I saw a woman smack her toddler outside the swimming pool today sad. I might have growled and manhandled him a bit, but I didn't hit him.

I'm reading the "how to talk so kids will listen" book, so hopefully some of those strategies will help. And going back to school/cm!

DH is back on weds, I'm back on Thurs.

I'll let you know how tonight goes!

RegainingUnconsciousness Fri 30-Aug-13 21:27:38

Nope. After an hour of messing around (I let DH deal with most of it), I put the side back on his cot. As I was doing so he leant over and started hitting me. We talked about how hitting people makes them sad, and he articulated that mummy is sad (this is at least a daily conversation). He knew he had to say sorry, said it, then reached out and hit me again. To which I shut the door and left.

He was great all day. Just an arse at bedtime again. Not sure if we'll try again tomorrow. He still can't climb out. And I'm not up for this when we're back at work.

Tell me he'll just grow out of this. Or will at least get to a point where he actually understands these things. (DH reckons that although he can articulate very well, and seems capable of making the connections, he's just not really understanding it at all)

Alibabaandthe40nappies Fri 30-Aug-13 21:38:54

RU they do grow out of it, and all of them do so at different times.

T still can't self-settle to sleep, despite us trying everything. He still needs either BF (which tbh I'm feeling ready to stop but he LOVES and will not consider going without) or for DH to rub his back or sometimes rock him still.

Part of our issue is that we just cannot leave him to yell during term time because of DS1, because they share a room. We have tried over the summer and he has just got horribly upset. It is a nightmare, he needs to drop his nap really and then it would be better but he needs to have one about every 2-3 days just to top up and then bedtime goes to hell.
He is up with us now, perfectly cheerful, but just won't sleep.

DS1 on the other hand could just be put to bed from less than a year old. He went through phases of needing someone to sit with him until he fell asleep, but those only lasted a few days, a couple of weeks at the most, and then he was back to settling himself.

The spitting thing I'm sure was horrid for you, but he doesn't understand that it is upsetting for you really - he just knows that he's getting a reaction and so he keeps doing it. Try and ignore. Easier said than done I know!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sat 31-Aug-13 08:25:20

Ah yes, the over tired thing. Mine turn into shrieking banshee's when overtired, it's truly horrific.

You sound like you're handling it really well, so don't be hard on yourself about it. I've found in parenting that you seem to bounce from one issue to another. Some are fleeting and easy to deal with, others can be utterly baffling.

We are off to spend a few days in a yurt. Beyond excited!

RegainingUnconsciousness Sat 31-Aug-13 10:03:42

Ooh, Yurt sounds nice!

The over tiredness is so hard to get right. Fs overtiredness is less tantrummy (oddly) more crazy rolling/running around doing silly faces etc. just won't stay still long enough to go to sleep.

I forgot to mention something amusing from yesterday. You know all those loud parenting/mc show off threads? We had lunch at Pizza Hut yesterday (mmm, lunch buffet!) and when the waitress asked F what he'd like to drink he asked for "Mango juice please". I don't know where he's had mango juice before. hmm

RegainingUnconsciousness Sat 31-Aug-13 19:56:47

Well, that didn't go to plan. Left the sides on, but he finally managed to climb out! So, sides are off, stairgate is on his door, and he's currently standing there rattling the gate. He's thrown his bear out, and I'm expecting the contents of his drawers imminently!

I have wine, I'm ignoring all as long as he is safe/happy.

Kittycatcat Mon 02-Sep-13 21:35:16

Any improvement rc?

Hv was abjt pointless as I'm getting what I need from my one but its got her off my back and she told me well done.

Settling session went ok. Was his last one fri. Starts thurs. he was teary at times app but its all knew. He will get there.

Kittycatcat Mon 02-Sep-13 21:35:32


RegainingUnconsciousness Mon 02-Sep-13 21:40:24

Shame HV wasn't particularly helpful. Glad S is settling in well. F has his first full day at 'New Nursery' on Thursday too. Except they don't open early enough and since the cm still does the school run, she'll be doing the drop off. He's in a group with friends from baby group days!

F's doing ok with bedtimes. He's a pro at suddenly needing the loo as soon as he's in bed, and then taking 20 minutes over it. He's not back to his old terrible ways yet.

I moved the stairgate back from his door to the stairs so he can come to us himself in the morning! Two more lazy-ish mornings left!

MrsWajs Wed 04-Sep-13 02:54:32

Hello! How self indulgent is it that I've just come on to tell you all I'm labour!! smile 3 days over and hoping today will bring an end to that. Hope everyone else is well and congrats to green amd jolly
See you on the other side grin

JollyHappyGiant Wed 04-Sep-13 03:55:37

Good luck MrsW!

GreenFirefly Wed 04-Sep-13 05:12:49

yay MrsW. hope it's an easy labour.
How's it going with you Jolly?
So far so good here, but we could do without M having nightmares between baby feeds.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Wed 04-Sep-13 07:01:40

Eeeeek! How exciting MrsW. Good luck! Hope it's an easy one smile

RegainingUnconsciousness Wed 04-Sep-13 07:27:46

Brilliant! So excited for you MrsW!

Sounds tiring, Green. But you sound fairly upbeat. Well done!

Daisy17 Wed 04-Sep-13 08:06:08

Go go go, MrsW! Impressed you can still type.....wink Will be thinking positive thoughts.

GreenFirefly Wed 04-Sep-13 08:34:30

Well she wanted Daddy smile so DH sat with her for an hour. He's back at work now too and seems to suffer more than me with lack of sleep (no breastfeeding hormones to help wink ). Getting us all up and dressed is a challenge. Can't imagine how early we'll need to get started when I eventually go back to work!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 04-Sep-13 08:38:02

Whoop whoop MrsW. Strength and cervix dilating vibes coming your way smile

firefly - I remember ds2 having disturbed sleep when ds3 came along. It sometimes felt like they were tag teaming it. It seemed to stop quite quickly though, I always wondered if that was him adjusting to what having a new baby in the house and all the changes it brought.

I am a bloody big bag of nerves this morning (which is why I am on MN, to take my mind off of it). Ds2 starts primary and ds3 has his first session at preschool. It's the first time he's been left with people who aren't family. Ds3 is excited, ds2 is ambivalent , dh left for work with tears brimming and I'm full of nervous energy confused

Kittycatcat Wed 04-Sep-13 19:39:40

Excited mrsw. Hope ur ok. Can't wait to hear ur news

YoniHuman Wed 11-Sep-13 00:55:08

Nearly a full week and no posts, we're slacking ladies. I know MrsW is extremely busy this week grin but what have the rest of us been up too? Personally, I have been leaving (and collecting) a crying DD at preschool for all her visits so far sad and DS is very impressed to no longer be one of the youngest ones at school. Every other sentence seems to contain the words "now I'm in Year One".

TwentiethCenturyGirl Wed 11-Sep-13 04:01:07

I've been wondering where everybody is too!

Bless DS Yoni. Sounds like he's enjoying being a big boy! How have the other school / preschool starters got on this week?

I'm having a bad spell with my sleep at the moment. Been awake for a couple of hours now and just can't get back off again. It's been the same for the last couple of nights and I feel like I'm barely functioning. Think I last had a spell like this when I was still BF. At least I was on mat leave then though. Urgh...

GreenFirefly Wed 11-Sep-13 10:11:48

I was just coming on to post a similar 'how is everyone?', Yoni.

I've mainly had a week of feeding, friends visiting baby A and too much TV for M. Got probably my final midwife appointment ever this afternoon. A had put on 14oz in 8 days last week, wonder if she'll beat that this week. She was driving me crackers yesterday evening, but I think she had wind. In general she's being fab - quick feeds, well spaced out and doesn't mind being put down too much smile
M is still refusing baths sad

Poor DD Yoni - does she enjoy it once she's there? I'm so glad M has been at the same nursery for 18 months and will be there until school, and longer if we use the after school and holiday club. It seems anything new at the moment is met with refusal or strops - even down to a new toothbrush confused

YoniHuman Wed 11-Sep-13 17:43:06

Glad Baby A is settling in well Green My DD has refused to sit down in the bath for about the last 2 months * I decided to ignore it for a while and then last week I sat her down again every single time she stood up. She had a good strop but my stubbornness outlasted hers. grin Now she's quite happy to sit in the bath again.

Sorry to hear you're sleeping badly 20th DS likes us to lie next to him when he goes to sleep but if I nod off too I find it really hard to go back to bed/sleep later on if I've napped. I was still awake at 3am the other day, after a 20min nap at 8pm. I usually try and have at least one early night a week now when I'll have tea with the children instead of waiting for DH and then I go to bed the same time as DS.

DD had her 3rd morning at preschool tomorrow. I think she is enjoying it a bit as she doesn't get upset when I talk about it. She was crying when I left her and again when i picked her up. I was expecting it as she had never been left with anyone else before except for her GPs. As soon as we were out the gate she was happy and waving back to the staff. She has the same keyworker that DS had and I have no worries about the care. Hopefully tomorrow will be better.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Thu 12-Sep-13 01:49:52

Sounds like DD3 is doing really well Firefly Long may it continue! Poor M and the bath front though. Is it water in general that she's developed an aversion to or is it restricted to the bath?

Hope DD has a better day at preschool Yoni. What are the staff saying she's like once you've left her?

I'm struggling to sleep again. Went to bed no probs but woke at 12:30 and can't get back off. Things are definitely not being helped by DH heavy breathing next to me! If there was a bed in the spare room I'd be in there! It's so frustrating - I'm exhausted. My eyes are screaming with tiredness. I might go and find myself one of the night owl threads to moan on!

GreenFirefly Thu 12-Sep-13 12:07:20

It's DD2 20th! No plans for a no. 3, thats us done grin.

It's mainly the bath that M doesn't like, but she wouldn't go in the paddling pool either. She will play with the water and toys from the side, just reluctant to immerse herself. Its nearly 4 weeks now and I fear we're just going to have to put her in and keep doing it til she gets used to it again sad bribery with choc buttons didn't even work!

Hope you can get some better sleep soon.

NomDeClavier Thu 12-Sep-13 14:37:28

I've been so, so slack and lost you all. Mea culpa. Perhaps now nursery is back I'll have more time to chat. Or do my pregnancy yoga DVDs and encourage this one to go back to head down. I'm dreading a repeat of the transverse saga.

M is being a PICKLE of the first order about bedtime. We no longer BF (apparently I'm yukky sad) but he just can't lie down and go to sleep, much like T. We've progressed to lying in bed and patting but lying down is a hurdle to overcome every night.

Potty training is going horrifically. I've kind of given up really. He'll sit on potty, not wee, and then wet his nappy. But he doesn't seem to get uncomfortable or bothered if he's not wearing a nappy. Bribery isn't working either, but he's done nothing on the potty for about 3 weeks so he probably doesn't remember it. Any good strategies?!

TwentiethCenturyGirl Thu 12-Sep-13 20:49:28

Errrh, ooops Green! I knew that you've only got two. I blame my sleep deprived state (and the time of night I was posting!) for the mistake!

Sadly no illuminating advice on either front Nom. The only thing I think I've taken from potty training is that it's perhaps just a case of them being ready when they're ready and not before. No help I know!

How much longer have you got now until the arrival of no. 2?

ecuse Fri 13-Sep-13 11:20:51

Hiya - I'm still here too, just lurking. Congrats to MrsW on the new lovely little Ethan. I'm getting quite broody here.

Been in floods of tears this morning - dropped Joanna off with the childminder this morning and shortly to be off to the aiport for a week in Abu Dhabi for work. I am (kind of) looking forward to it, but feeling very sad about leaving my baby for a week. It feels totally wrong sad sad. I went a bit overboard and bought her a little treat for DP to give her every day I am away. He told me I'm a cliche of a working parent!

NomDeClavier Fri 13-Sep-13 11:35:37

Awww ecuse I was in a state when I left DS for 2 nights so I sympathise. The little treat is a lovely idea! And I want your job if it involves trips to Abu Dhabi!!!

No 2 isn't due until December but I'm more worried this time possibly because M's birth went so well and I know it's possible for me to get what I want but they won't let me have it if there's the slightest indication of a problem.

Kittycatcat Fri 13-Sep-13 13:02:51

Hi everyone

Caught up. In the middle of both boys refusing their boiled eggs.confused. Forgot to take my tab last night and its noticeable.
A had his first hair cut this am ready for his FIRST BIRTHDAY Tuesday. Party is Sunday.

ecuse Fri 13-Sep-13 13:18:26

Oh my goodness, kitty, your second is 1??? really must get thinking about No2....

If I were you I would plonk both boys in front of Cebeebies and eat both the boiled eggs myself. But then I am a slummy mummy and a gannet.

Kittycatcat Fri 13-Sep-13 13:46:08

Yeah can you believe it! 2 and 1!

I mixed the eggs with tom to try and get the to eat it. Unsurprisingly they didn't. Now what shall I have...

TwentiethCenturyGirl Fri 13-Sep-13 18:29:13

Mmmm- boiled eggs...

More importantly, how on earth is A two? This year has flown by! And the next couple of months will fly by too. It'll be December and time for number two to arrive before you know it Nom. Are you going to be in France for the birth?

Hope the trip isn't too awful Ecuse. What's the time difference like? Will you be able to Skype?

NomDeClavier Sat 14-Sep-13 19:24:26

Yup no real possibility of going back to the UK in December, twentieth, but feeling a lot better this time round about getting what I want providing baby is in a good position. I know my body can do it and that's a pretty amazing confidence boost already.

I cannot believe A is having his first birthday party tomorrow! I bet S will love it wink

Kittycatcat Sat 14-Sep-13 22:46:41

I'm so excited. Its dear zoo themed. Will put pics on fb

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Sun 15-Sep-13 19:24:17

Where did that year go kitty??? I hope you all had a fab time at the party.

School and pre-school are going well for the boys, but strangely I am the busiest I have ever been now they are out of the house more confused I am trying to straighten the house out, do the little jobs I've been meaning to do for the past goodness knows how many years, and selling anything that moves on FB and EBay.

I remember having insomnia between feeds, it was fecking horrid. There's nothing worse than not being able to sleep when you are bone tired. I think I resorted to having the radio on a really low level, and it defo helped. I would listen to that and drift off, rather than lay there obsessing over being awake.

I hope you can enjoy Abu Dhabi ecuse smile

ecuse Sun 15-Sep-13 21:13:53

Abu Dhabi is fun so far! I blubbed quite a lot about leaving but actually am having quite a nice time. Two days down, five to go. I tried to Skype home this evening to talk to Jo, but she had a friend round to play and was too distracted to talk to me. So she's clearly not broken up or anything... grin. She does keep posing for photos and telling Daddy to "show Mummy", though, so I've had a nice stream of picture messages to cheer me up.

DAMN it's hot in Abu Dhabi. You don't go out here really in the day time at all. Certainly not to walk. When you walk between building and taxi it's like walking into soup. It's 42 degrees in the daytime, and about 35 at nighttime, the only time I have ventured for a stroll so far. But, actually, we're all wearing tights and thin cardigans as the aircon is set to cold everywhere. Very odd. The hotel buffet is quite something. Nothing but cake as far as the eye can see... I am going to try to take photos tomorrow, discreetly! The hotel we're having our meetings is one of Abu Dhabi's newer and more luxurious ones. Obvs we're not staying there, we're just in some anonymous mid-range businessman's hotel but I'm quite tempted to book in at the fancy hotel for some spa treatments on the last day. I have about 6 hours to kill between the end of meetings and having to set off for the airport for my 02.30 flight home....

Kittycatcat Sun 15-Sep-13 21:50:29

Do it ecuse
Party was fab. We hired soft play for kids. Was a bar for grown ups.
Went really well.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Mon 16-Sep-13 19:18:27

Glad the party went well Kitty - even if I still can't believe that A is one!

Not sure that I could cope with that heat ecuse and I hate air conditioning as a rule, so think I would probably spend the whole time moaning. The hotel buffet sound fab-u-lous though. I demand pictures posting to FB asap! And yes, definitely book in the spa...

NomDeClavier Mon 16-Sep-13 19:48:45

Kids party with a bar....that I can get behind!

Heat is just so exhausting, isn't it? I feel infinitely more energised this time even with rain. I think I used to just go to the gym for the air conditioning, although it kept me bloody for. Am beginning to really notice a loss of flexibility and general fitness already and still 3 months to go!

NomDeClavier Wed 18-Sep-13 11:15:12

Feel really bloody awful today sad

Was going to try and take DS to the library bit all I feel fit for is lying on the sofa and letting him pootle. Supposed to have a play date later which is basically going to be me dragging us over there and sitting on her sofa to feel terrible.

Kittycatcat Wed 18-Sep-13 12:23:00

Big hugs nom. Have a lazy day. It won't do u both any harm.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 18-Sep-13 15:55:56

{{Nom}} I'll send some energy vibes your way. It's exhausting looking after a toddler when pg.

Ds3 seems to like hitting and throwing things at the moment - oh joy hmm

I seem to have managed to piss my child free time completely up the wall today, I have been looking into and comparing insurance quotes. So dull! I've got so bamboozled by it all that I've gone to a broker. Why didn't I make that decision hours ago???

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 19-Sep-13 14:49:23

Day one of potty training, come drink tea and keep eagle eyes on ds3 with me.

Going well so far. I think he's taken to it quicker than ds2 and I have a bit more of a clue this time!

It's v dull being housebound though ........

YoniHuman Fri 20-Sep-13 01:34:17

Hope day one went well ILike.
DD refuses to go anywhere near her potty. Unless she changes her mind I think I will probably just aim to get her using the toilet trainer seat sometime next spring. It worked well for DS and for those slatterns amongst us involves no cleaning up of 'potty poo'. ��

Kittycatcat Fri 20-Sep-13 08:44:56

That's what we did with s yoni.

YoniHuman Mon 23-Sep-13 20:44:00

How's the potty training going iLike?

GreenFirefly Mon 23-Sep-13 22:32:44

Just returning to 'Threads I'm On'.
Not much of note here really. Baby A is still gaining lots of weight and I've got a big pile of newborn size clothes to ebay/pass on to friends/charity shop.
Got 6 week check on Thursday - my scar has healed much better than last time, just a couple of tiny patches to dry up now. Thanks everyone for your advice smile

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 24-Sep-13 20:49:26

Potty training is going surprisingly well. Ds3 has really taken to it and accidents have been few and far between. This is a very different story to ds2! Right from the off he has had bladder control, which has really surprised me.

On the other side of the coin his sleep has gone a bit wonky. Lunchtime nap is okish, but night time is a bit of a nightmare. He's saying he's afraid of the dark, so we now have a night light. I'm not really surprised that something has gone pear shaped. In the past two weeks he's lost his brother to school, started preschool and potty trained.

Ds2's sleep has gone a bit awry to hmm, mostly starting school related I guess. He's enjoying it there, but I think some worries are manifesting themselves during the night. Needless to say I have black circles under my eyes!

Oh, and ds3 came crashing into our bedroom this morning. He had pulled a chair next to his cot, taken off his grobag and climbed over the bars of his cot onto the chair. The chair has been moved to the other side of his room!

Yay for A gaining lots of weight. Well done both of you smile. The weeks just whizz by don't they? <sigh>

Where is everyone? Come back to the thread. I haven't seen Fizz and Ali for yonks.

Daisy17 Tue 24-Sep-13 21:03:47

I'm here, Ilike, have been lurking somewhat whilst adjusting to school myself! Term settling into rhythm now, I have some nice pupils and it's good to be back. S has moved up a room at nursery, prepreschool I guess, and is loving it and sleeping very well for him, touch wood, haven't seen pre6am for a while, thank goodness. It's so sweet, he has a named drawer and everything, and keeps telling us he's a Good Helper. Aw, so grown up! Nowhere near potty training yet, though his keyworker is going to start asking if he wants to sit on the potty when his trained friends are to get the idea planted in his head. The positive side of peer pressure!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Tue 24-Sep-13 21:30:17

Hi daisy grin

Yay for not seeing pre 6am, result! I love that S calls himself a good helper, that's so sweet! I love it when they become more vocal, ds comes out with new words and expressions everyday - plus it's not just me who understands it now!

RegainingUnconsciousness Tue 24-Sep-13 22:54:45

Hello, I'm still here!

Glad to hear tiddlers & toddlers are doing well.

I'm back into the school groove too, things seem oddly calm at the moment. I'm sure it won't last!

F's sleep is better because he'a exhausted by cm! although he's struggling without a nap at times, and then if he does nap he can't drop off easily in the evening.

YoniHuman Wed 25-Sep-13 00:21:26

Ali is around, earlier today i spotted her on Honeydragons Robert Webb thread here I love the thread title. grin

Kittycatcat Wed 25-Sep-13 07:16:07

Hi all
I'm here. S still cries when I drop him at pre school but he only goes one morning a week so it's going to take longer to settle him. Bless him. Last week they tried to distract him and out bear away to encourage him to interact, needless to say all that happened was he cried a lot more. I called that afternoon and explained how attached he is and it will be longer with him before they can take him away.

Great re baby A. She is doing so well. And yay re your scar green.

Hope you get unbroken sleep soon ilike, but whoop re toilet training.

S had a number two accident at dmil's mon, she had to stand him in the bath and shower him down. Oops. He had been playing in the garden and didn't leave enough time to get to the toilet.

My lovely office manager who covers my non work days leaves tomorrow so I'm training a temp later in covering those two days while they look for a two day receptionist. I strongly dislike training.

NomDeClavier Wed 25-Sep-13 07:56:50

I'm still here. Potty training is still fairly disastrous. M doesn't have a clue when he needs to go it seems, or he's just far too absorbed in what he's doing to be bothered to move.... And nursery won't let him out of nappies until hrs reliably trained!

3 months to go for me. Seems aaaaages but I've finally made it to the third trimester.

Kittycatcat Wed 25-Sep-13 17:42:30

And for the festive among us... 3 months til christmasgrin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 25-Sep-13 18:20:52

I heart the festive season and Nom may well have a newborn on the big day grin

How did the training go Kitty? I used to get lumbered with training at my old place a lot. I loved working with the trainees - most of them were young so were a lot of fun. But the actual training used to get in the way of socialising! grin

I totally don't get the Robert Webb thing confused

I had to shower ds3 down this afternoon after his nap. I forgot to put a nappy on him when he went down for his nap. He then woke up and poo'd in his Grobag. What an idiot I am.

I feel your pain with potty training Nom, ds2 was just like that and like you I was quite pregnant. I was exhausted and exasperated in equal measure.

I have been going bonkers selling things on eBay and FB selling pages this week. We just have so much stuff. Unused toys, furniture, equipment and clothes. It is lovely seeing it go grin

TwentiethCenturyGirl Thu 26-Sep-13 21:04:15

I also heart the festive season! Any thoughts yet on what we're all buying for our toddlers, or is it too early for most sane people to have thought about it?

Hooray for the third semester Nom. I'm 18 weeks now and the bump is beginning to sprout. Don't think it'll be long before I send DH up into the loft to hunt down my maternity trousers!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Fri 27-Sep-13 07:29:20

I've been thinking about it too 20thC but haven't actually come to any conclusion! The boys are going to have one present and a stocking each, I am determined to keep the tat and toy level down! Maybe Playmobil? Ds3 loves playing with his big brothers stuff.

18 weeks already?! Nearly half way grin Are you going to find out the sex?

We're off to a Macmillan coffe morning today, then ds3 is off to his Granny's this arvo. I think I'll take ds2 out for dinner, just him and me, as a treat. We don't get much time together just us two.

Kittycatcat Fri 27-Sep-13 07:58:03

That's coming round quickly twentieth. How are you feeling?

Christmas. No clue with S. But I want to get A the cow wheelie bug. S has the bumble bee so once A is on the move they can race. grin

We got A the v tech fun discovery tree house for his bd. lots of £ but well worth it. They both love it and play in it every day.

Kittycatcat Fri 27-Sep-13 07:58:39

Oh and A has his injections this morning. hmm

Kittycatcat Mon 30-Sep-13 12:59:32

A took his first step yesterdaysmile

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Mon 30-Sep-13 13:54:31

Well done A grin such a big moment!

Not much going on here today. Going to Tesco's with ds3 was probably the highlight!

Ds2's school is closed tomorrow because of strikes and ds3 is at preschool in the morning, so I will have ds2 to myself all morning. I'm really looking forward to it, we don't have much time together anymore.

Hello! I was thinking yesterday, "god that April lot have been quiet recently" only to realise tonight you dropped off my TIO blush

Alls well here (well now it is, but that's a whole other thread)

B is finally making sense with his chat! It's still hit or miss we understand it but he is good at making his needs known.

Potty training question. We haven't started but I'm ready when he is.

NomDeClavier Mon 30-Sep-13 19:31:16

Well done A!

Sounds like things went tits up for a bit, fizz? You ok now?

We have been a bit quiet.... I'd probably just be a potty training bore if I got started. M just doesn't seem to recognise when he's doing a poo. I even resorted to setting a timer to put him on the potty every half hour. Caught all the wees but 2 poos in pants and no warning signs! He's mastered stealth pooing.

Kittycatcat Mon 30-Sep-13 20:08:33

You ok fizz?

YoniHuman Mon 30-Sep-13 22:17:52

grin at the phrase "stealth pooing" P is extremely obvious when trying to do one and will do the sign for nappy change, then once it is delivered she will shake her head and vehemently deny that her pants are steaming and run off.

I know it's not a major problem but allow me a little wallow/vent here please. We have finally received the appointment for P's SALT assessment. (6 months since i initially requested the referral at her 2year check).. It's on the 15th Oct. P can still only say less than a dozen single words although she has started to say some phonics letter sounds (DS word builder toy is on the fridge and they both love Cbeebies Alphablocks). Her listening and comprehension skills are very good as far as I'm concerned but I wish she would attempt to speak a bit more, especially now she's attending preschool. She still can't even say own name or even yes or no. sad. DS was also a late talker but even he had a wider vocabulary by this age.

my feelings are mixed about the assessment TBH. I want it done but there are a couple of SALTs I really don't want to have to see again as I found them very condescending in their attitude last time round with DS. After the initial assessment when he was 2.5 we had to attend group sessions with 4/5 other children. They asked me if I ever read to DS or had I thought about singing nursery rhymes as he didn't take seem to take part in the action rhymes. FFS, read your notes. He visited the library every week for the baby/ toddler rhyme times and I had also gone to the session straight from work so I was still wearing my work ID badge with the name of the public library where I work prominently displayed. (One of my duties BTW , yep you've guessed it. Working in the Children's Library and leading story and singing sessions). I would think those fairly obvious clues would suggest the thought of reading/singing to my child had occurred to me. They obviously never read our notes as they asked me this practically every session for weeks.
Luckily when DS was 3.5 he was referred for 1-1 sessions which actually helped and he was signed off just before starting school.
If anyone is still reading this apologies for the rant but it was very cathartic. smile

Kittycatcat Tue 01-Oct-13 07:39:37

Rant away yoni. Well within your rights imo. Grrr! Hope it goes ok and they actually take the time to read your notes this time.

NomDeClavier Tue 01-Oct-13 10:20:14

Rant away, yoni Very poor form not to read your notes, and to not remember from session to session.

Fingers crossed for P's SALT assessment and that they listen to you this time.

Kittycatcat Wed 02-Oct-13 07:03:29

Anyone got the kindle fire? Dh left his bag on the train fri with my kindle in confused

NomDeClavier Wed 02-Oct-13 08:54:55

Oh no kitty sad LTB!!! Seriously though no I don't have the fire but DH days if he were getting a new kindle he'd get the paper white because fire isn't the best of both kindle and tablet like it's supposed to be.

JollySleepyGiant Wed 02-Oct-13 09:48:43

Checking in.

Lots of potty training happening. We are still at the considering it stage. We've been putting H on the potty morning and night and caught lots of peed and one poo. We've bought pants and vests without pops. He knows when he's pooing but is less clear about pee.

Rebecca is 6 weeks old this week. Feeding is going really well. We had so many problems with BF first time around that I feel we deserve this.

I will now finish my question I started a couple of days ago!

B is staying dry for long periods of time, then in the blink of an eye is soaked through. Cm mentioned that it could be a sign he is beginning to control weeing and he might be ready soon, but he can't articulate this.

Do I just start sitting him on the potty (bought a training seat for the loo but he is terrified of it hmm)
He is also taking his own nappy off <boak> and saying "no like" when we try to put on a new one. I think he might be ready, but I really don't want to get it wrong like the cot side saga.

What say ye aprilites?

Kitty, moral of the story is never lend dh anything! Does he have a tablet?if so, I would be commandeering that as my own, until Fire is replaced or returned grin

GreenFirefly Wed 02-Oct-13 19:46:14

Still no potty training here, or baths for M, or blankets for that matter. She's a stroppy stubborn little madam grin. She does sit on the potty every evening but has never done anything in it. Nappy changes aren't popular at the moment, I tried putting her in pull up pants a few days ago but that resulted in a massive meltdown tantrum confused

A is 7 weeks tomorrow. She went for a hip scan on Monday due to being breech. We were expecting to be out in minutes as we were with M but no sad. Her hip was a few degrees out and to be on the safe side it was recommened to put her in a harness for a few weeks, otherwise it's surgery at 2 if it didn't rectify itself. Poor thing is now all strapped up with her legs in a frog position. Happily it doesn't seem to be bothering her but it makes nappy changes awkward and breastfeeding positioning is unconventional to say the least grin. Hopefully it'll be completely off by mid November.

TwentiethCenturyGirl Wed 02-Oct-13 20:03:47

Oh no Firefly sad - poor little A. Glad it doesn't seem to be bothering her though and definitely better than it's sorted out now then surgery at two.

If you think B might be ready Fizz, why not have a go? If it becomes rapidly obvious that it isn't working, then you can always go back to nappies for a bit. Both of SILs have used this approach (particularly with their boys) and it didn't do them any harm.

GreenFirefly Wed 09-Oct-13 19:54:38

How is everyone's week going?

Had any luck with the potty Fizz?

I'm tired and grumpy after a grim night where the girls seemed to wake in relay and sleep evaded us completely after M came into our bed about 4.30 sad I'm hoping everyone is back to their best sleeping patterns tonight.

We've still no change on the bath (or lack of) front. I'm really thinking that forcing her in and playing with toys might be the only way sad
Does anyone have an answer to being ignored when asking a question or giving an instruction? I know she's not got any hearing problems - she can hear an ambulance 50 miles away - but asking her to sit for a meal (and various other requests) are blanked. Including stopping when asked when she's off her reins (I'm trying bribery with choc buttons but even they're not working consistantly).

How are you finding coping with two Jolly?

If it helps Green, B is a bolter and a rescuer of any request. I found request like, dinners ready, to just let him ignore, sit down ourselves and eventually he comes along.

The recall thing? I have no idea, I have turned into the proverbial fishwife, yelling down the street after my son who has the turn of speed that usain bolt has. What I do have is sympathy smile

Potty training not going well either. I swear he is surprised that wee and poo comes out his body!

GreenFirefly Wed 09-Oct-13 21:21:26

B and M sound very similar. They'd get on famously. Though we get told about poo sometimes.

She does actually run down the street shouting 'stop', but doesn't follow her own instruction, same with climbing on furniture. Somehow we seem have managed to train her to stop at kerbs to see if there's a car coming. However, it was forgotten last week when she was running with her friends, got a bit over excited and ran across a road. I then also ran straight across to give her a very stern talking to. She was subdued for the rest of the day so I think it kind of went in. We'll see if anything has improved when we walk back from nursery tomorrow.

JollyScaryGiant Thu 10-Oct-13 03:02:47


I'm having fun with two, Firefly. I've been feeling awful this week though. Picked up some sort of virus from H. My throat is really sore and my temp has been up. So so ce Monday afternoon we've just been doing whatever we can to get through. Tuesdays are tough anyway as DH works 15 hours.

I think we're going to try potty training from Wednesday. That gives us 5 days when we don't have to leave the house.

For discipline/listening I think I'm ridiculously strict andjuse punishment fairly regularly. We have a naughtyspace where H is put for misbehaving. We also use sanctions. Yesterday morning he lost a favourite toy as he wouldn't stop kicking when I was trying to dress him. I have left places and taken him home in the past for misbehaving.

We also have a sticker chart for staying in bed until his gro clock lights up. Once he gets a certain no of stickers he gets a toy car. It took a good couple of months for this to bed in but now it works very well.

Lovely that this thread is still going. I like checking in to see what you're all up to smile

Kittycatcat Sat 12-Oct-13 08:53:59

Hello everyone
My friend gave birth to absny girl yesterday morning. 6 1b 14. Awh

Kittycatcat Mon 14-Oct-13 10:27:00

Just had the coil fitted!

GreenFirefly Mon 14-Oct-13 22:40:48

I think I've got my periods back already sad she's only 8 weeks old and I'm breastfeeding. She's a quick feeder though, and <whispers> both girls slept through on Saturday night! I don't really expect this to happen again for a couple of years.

Daisy17 Tue 15-Oct-13 17:10:43

How was it, kitty? Thinking of doing the same. Mirena or copper?

NomDeClavier Tue 15-Oct-13 17:16:20

I know I've given birth and all but the thought of a coil is just owwwwwwwwwwwwww!

Poor you green that's just not fair!

glaikit M was like that until I just took the nappy off and left him bare bottomed and he was like 'oh, I'm wee0ing, that feels strange'! Took a little while to get him into pants but we a bit seem to be there for wees, except he won't sodding ask and poos are still nervy on the potty.

I'm mean. I use reins on my bolter grin

Kittycatcat Tue 15-Oct-13 18:16:28

It was fine daisy. They did a local anaesthetic and thats all I felt!! I had cramps yesterday and milder ones today which is normal apparently.

Kittycatcat Tue 15-Oct-13 19:41:31

Oh and copper. No hormones!

Daisy17 Tue 15-Oct-13 21:09:13

No hormones indeed, that was why I was thinking of giving it a go despite squeamish feelings akin to yours, Nom! Thanks, Kitty, good to hear. Will make appointment tomorrow to talk it through with doctor. Sick bug here, think I'm succumbing next..... sad

Kittycatcat Tue 15-Oct-13 21:25:53

Oh no.
I went to the Margaret nuke family planning clinic. V v v impressed.

RegainingUnconsciousness Tue 15-Oct-13 21:35:16

Hello! How is everyone?

I had a copper coil put in too after F was born. No anaesthetic but it was fine.

I've had one day each period being super fairly heavy, and perhaps the whole thing a day or so longer, but after 2 years it's settling down a bit.

F has regressed with the potty training. We've been using a sticker chart, which has helped. But he's being a bit lazy really. CM assures me it's very common.

(I was observed today: my lesson was "outstanding"! I'm very relieved!)

NomDeClavier Tue 15-Oct-13 21:48:28

Oooon congratulations regaining! I hope you're rewarding yourself suitably. wine

Kittycatcat Tue 15-Oct-13 22:37:19

Well done regaining

RegainingUnconsciousness Wed 16-Oct-13 06:13:37

Thanks! grin
I rewarded myself by going to bed early (except it was accidentally 11pm in the end)

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 16-Oct-13 17:15:46

Well done RU, here is a sticker for your chart for doing so well grin

I'm like you about the coil Nom, however dh has had the all clear after his snip so I don't need to now.

Ds3 is potty trained and very reliable, he even asks to go. Ds2 was surprised about wee and poo coming out of him too Fizz.

I've been quite busy here which is the reason for being AWOL. I've been organising and helping with fundraisers and doing lots of sewing, so haven't spent much time online.

Ds3 is quite a character at pre-school, it's really lovely to see. When I go and pick him up he kisses all the staff goodbye and waves goodbye to the children who are staying. They all wave back and say 'goodbye ds3' and he looks at me with a big grin and says 'they're all my friends mummy'. <melt>

B has croup <yawn>

He is on the mend, during the day he is normal, but as soon as he goes to bed the coughing starts. sad. I've moved the kettle in to his room and bodied it so I doesn't switch off once boiled to get his room steamy.

It been a week since he got ill, but the coughing only started at the weekend. Doc says to keep doing what we are doing but a&e if his breathing is compromised.

In better news, he is actually speaking and making sense! Randomly he said penguin yesterday when an ad came on the tv! And he can say him name! My heart melts. and I'm also slightly relieved because if my friends FB status is to be believed her ds is reciting Shakespeare

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Wed 16-Oct-13 21:13:12

Poor B, croup is nasty so it's good to hear he's on the mend. Fingers crossed you all get some sleep tonight.

Lol @ penguin. They come out with the funniest and most random things grin Glad to hear you feel better about his speech. It's really difficult to keep the faith when seemingly everyone's kids are achieving xyz.

Kittycatcat Wed 16-Oct-13 23:42:18

Yay for b's speech but boo to croup confused

Coil users... Should I still be in pain? It hurts to walk. Not sure if its the coil or a bug. Guessing from the area of the pain it's the coil but I know a few days of cramping is normal. This isn't cramping though...

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt Thu 17-Oct-13 17:58:29

How are you today Kitty? I know nothing of coils, but cramps are rather different to not being able to walk <ouch>

Off to book group tonight. The book was SHIT and I didn't bother finishing it. It was one of the No1 ladies detective agency books, zebra was somewhere in the title. The next book is I am Pilgrim, it's an espionage type thriller and it's FAB.

Tomorrow afternoon we're doing a pre-school fundraiser. It's a magic show and disco. Gawd I'm going to have the mother of all headaches after it aren't I?! The kids will be hyper, covered in tattoo's and waving their glo sticks in a super excited frenzy grin

I'm waffling now, what has everyone else been up to?

Kittycatcat Thu 17-Oct-13 18:21:35

I went to the docs. He said its prob just settling and can take 4-6 weeks. Temps normal and no sickness.im wondering if I've picked up a bug. I feel like I've got trapped wind but I don't.

Er good luck tomorrow!!

Still croupy here. But I got a baby hat and mittens knitted this afternoon during his 4hour nap! So every cloud!

YoniHuman Thu 17-Oct-13 19:16:32

Poor B, Croup is horrid. Get Well Soon
Here's a bear for B and wine for Fizz.

GreenFirefly Mon 21-Oct-13 08:35:20

Hope B is better fizz. We've just had a tantrum because I put new shoes on herconfused she's the same with any new clothes buy shoes and coats are worst.

NomDeClavier Mon 21-Oct-13 08:58:39

I understand that green. New shoes are not comfy!

I feel like either the world's worst or the world's best mother having trained DS to play quietly around me while I stay in bed. He woke at 7.30 and came to see me for cuddles. Next thing I know it's 9.15 and he's still playing with his cars and wants breakfast.

GreenFirefly Mon 21-Oct-13 10:55:38

You're right Nominally. I hadn't thought about that, just that the old ones were getting too small.
It's good that M can play independently, he'll need it when the new baby arrives. I just plank M in front of the TV and kid myself that Octonauts is educational hmm

GreenFirefly Mon 21-Oct-13 10:56:26

apologies for my name changing phone Nom.

B Has been in the playroom all morning entertaining himself! I put the radio on and I've heard him dancing! grin

He is much better green, back to work tomorrow! I'm currently internet shopping for Christmas. What's everyone buying this year?

I've so far got B a garage and a scooter.

NomDeClavier Mon 21-Oct-13 11:48:53

Quite like nominally. If noone else has it might pike it....

Baby is getting M a scooter or a bike with stabilisers and a big book of Thomas stories.

We are getting him the entire toy catalogue according to DH. I think he might get a big Duplo or Brio extension pack. He's getting an electric train in his stocking.

JollyScaryGiant Mon 21-Oct-13 13:02:21

H is getting the ELC Big City Wooden garage (£25!!), a Tesco wooden train set, some die cast cars and books about vehicles.

DD is much harder to buy for. She's getting clothes and a couple of vtech toys.

JollyScaryGiant Tue 22-Oct-13 08:32:32
JollyScaryGiant Tue 22-Oct-13 20:55:49

Potty training in chez Jolly commences tomorrow. Can't cope with the conveyor belt of nappy changes any longer so we are just going to go for it! Stickers and chocolate buttons have been purchased.

GlaikitFizZombieFodder Tue 22-Oct-13 21:04:49

Go that book collection last year. Unfortunately, dh left him unsupervised with the box one day when I was out and several of the books were chewed beyond recognition. I was fuming.

However they are his "tories" of choice at bedtime!