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November 2012 - Adventurous eaters, food refusers and everything in between

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StuntNun Wed 05-Jun-13 21:47:04
BigPigLittlePig Wed 05-Jun-13 21:52:45


MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 05-Jun-13 22:04:53

Checking in. I have a baby bird. Legs kick at sight of spoon and bowl, mouth opens. Am not doing well with finger food though - DS occasionally noms a bit of toast or apple. Must try harder with finger food.

Pikz Wed 05-Jun-13 22:10:47

Right my mission this thread is to get him more finger food led and less purée..

PurplePidjin Wed 05-Jun-13 22:43:47


Catbag Wed 05-Jun-13 22:53:10

<cements feet to floor to ensure separation from this thread does not occur>

ChasingDaisy Thu 06-Jun-13 03:42:12

My mission for this thread is to find some more spoon fed food he will eat and to introduce dairy and protein.

ValiumQueen Thu 06-Jun-13 06:47:29


PetiteRaleuse Thu 06-Jun-13 07:11:07

More a natural finger food fan here than a spoon fed one, much to my dismay. Carnivore. Thought she was going to be a food refuser it just turns out I was offering the wrong foods. Ie, not enough meat or flavour.

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 06-Jun-13 10:00:22

Food refuser here :-(

ValiumQueen Thu 06-Jun-13 13:42:12

Good one Fruit! Well played <<glares at son>>

GTbaby Thu 06-Jun-13 13:42:50

thanks Well done fruit. Lo start screaming he keeps rolling onto front and then doesn't like it and can't roll back

ValiumQueen Thu 06-Jun-13 13:44:31

Food refuser here too, unless it is fucking pear or rusk. He nearly had some satsuma from DD2 at breakfast. Perhaps I should get her to feed him?

ValiumQueen Thu 06-Jun-13 13:45:10

I am thankful for pear and rusks.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 06-Jun-13 13:55:15

vq LO always eats much more if I'm not the one feeding her. He'll get there.

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 13:57:17

Woo, just stole the last post off gt I got terribly excited by it lol!
S enjoys a mixture of both spoon fed and finger food luckily. Although I'm struggling a bit with new ideas on what to give her, it's all a bit samey and I'm sure she gets fed up of it. I might buy the ak book.

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 14:01:53

We are off to the doctors at 3, it's about time someone took sinead's sickness seriously. I waited until she was on solids as the HV's said it will stop but it hasn't. She's not in any pain, no trouble with sleeping and already has thicker formula (anti reflux formula) but she now brings up her purees too. Any ideas here so I know what to be expecting from the doctor?

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 14:02:37

Just vomited yogurt and toast crumbs, nice!

StuntNun Thu 06-Jun-13 14:15:11

Fruit J was vomiting six to ten times a day until he started on the Gaviscon, he hasn't had any today due to refusing milk feeds and he's been sick twice. HTH.

GTbaby Thu 06-Jun-13 14:15:41

All three conveniently timed stay and play sessions at two local children's centres are Somalian and Arabic focused groups.
confused I'll have to drive to next closest. But prob be the same. I'm sure I've moaned about this before.
One I've been to before is 25min drive away, but its a mix of ppl that go rather then targeted groups. Really wanted something in walking distance for exercises.

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 14:20:02

Thanks stunt hopefully the doctor will prescribe that then.

ChasingDaisy Thu 06-Jun-13 14:55:32

O keeps rolling from back to front but gets his arm stuck and screams in annoyance. He can do it as I found him on his tummy in his cot the other night. Think he's getting frustrated by lack of mobility.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 06-Jun-13 15:01:12

Don't worry. In a few months you will be getting frustrated by his abundance of mobility grin

ChasingDaisy Thu 06-Jun-13 15:08:40

grin Nappy changing is already a nightmare.

PurplePidjin Thu 06-Jun-13 15:09:13

Claim racism, GT. Dp is going to email a charity about that - they went in a shop this morning to buy a book and the woman in there commented on how pale R is and queried his heritage. We laugh it off but the next person might be upset. It's not really like "ooh look at that red hair" when dp feels his paternity is being queried by a stranger!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 06-Jun-13 15:21:01

Nappy changing has become a wrestling match. I seem to remember the same with DD1 but she calmed down after about a year

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 06-Jun-13 15:34:08

Well HV has been out. She is correct in saying J has moved night into day as yet again he fed at 7 then not until 2.30. She had said not to piss about with the gaviscon but to get ranitidine. So have appt at 5 for that. With regards to his sleep she says we've to do controlled crying in the hope he then learns to self settle and also learns to feed more in the daytime. I have tried in the past to get him to take more milk in the day but it backfired. We have paeds appt through so that is 17th June now thankfully.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 06-Jun-13 15:41:14

izzy that sounds positive. How do you feel about all that?

PetiteRaleuse Thu 06-Jun-13 15:46:14

Can you get antihistamines over the counter over there? Not going to get time to ask for a prescription from my GP before we leave, unless I ask DH to leave early tomorrow, which, as he needs to finish up a lot at work, won't be easy for him. (am not going with the girls, I don't want them around sick people just before the holidays, and yes, I know that is OTT, but I really want our break to go well, as it's our last time off work together til next Easter)

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 06-Jun-13 16:10:39

Yes, own brand and branded stuff available in boots, supermarkets etc PR

ChasingDaisy Thu 06-Jun-13 16:29:09

Oscar is asleep. I'm watching Cbeebies.

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 16:36:57

Went well at the doctors, saw a locus and she was lovely, she genuinely seemed to care that S was so sick all the time, which made a change from HV's poo pooing it. The first thing she mentioned was cmpi and was amazed at my knowledge of it nearly told her about the amazing quiche but we don't think it's that. She gave ranitidine straight away, I hadn't even mentioned it. Back for a review in 2 weeks and if no improvement then a paeds referral.
Qq about the ranitidine, the doctor told me to give her 1ml twice a day, but on the bottle it says once a day, what do I do?

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 16:45:04

*locum, not locus

StuntNun Thu 06-Jun-13 16:52:52

Twice a day for babies over 6 months Fruit, the dosage on the bottle is probably for older children or adults. It might be wise to double check the dosage calculation as well. I was told 1.5 to 2.5 ml twice a day but J has gained a pound since that was calculated.

ValiumQueen Thu 06-Jun-13 16:54:13

Fruit 1ml twice a day sounds right. That is what J has, and room to increase if necessary. Once a day would not be enough.

Missed baby clinic as J threw up everywhere as we left so by the time we would have got there, we would have had to leave to get A.

Just had a row with DH as homework always causes stress with A. He suggested a routine. I said she has a routine. Bang. Fucker angry

My fucking neck hurts again too, and my leg was shooting with pain. My leg has been ok for ages. Not very fucking thankful.

PR I so get the not wanting to let the kids near sick people. I hate baby clinic for that very reason.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 06-Jun-13 17:22:19

Great news re the otc hay fever stuff. France is bloody stupid for availability of otc remedies. Humex is going to be prescription only from later this year. Immodium has only just been allowed to be bought otc. I understand to a point - people can stupidly self medicate. But ffs. Humex? Really?

Right. DD1 seems fine this afternoon. The mucous is in the poi, not the urine. I feel like I have stidied the contents of her potty far too clisely to work that out, but anyway. Will see how she is first thing. Paed's blocked me a slot tomorrow pm just in case. I need to call and confirm, or not, in the morning.

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 17:38:14

Thank you stunt and vq wrt the dosage, the doctor sat her on the scales to weigh her and looked it up little fatty is 8.4kg I think she said to give her 1ml and then can up it if needed.

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 17:39:02

I also got lots and lots of hay fever tablets, she gave me 2 different types to try and a nasal spray been as I have my maternity exemption and didn't have to pay grin

Pikz Thu 06-Jun-13 17:41:44

I love the lady GP I just saw. She ga me a hug and cuddled L.

He had a full once over and his broncholitis has finally gone completely. He has bad conjunctivitis but we have drugs for that and I'm to give him nurofen and Capol alternating every two hours to help him get some rest and hopefully some sleep for me.

My toothache has started to subside so hoping for some sleep tonight.

Sending love to all.

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 17:52:39

pikz it seems like the quiche on a whole has had a good day with doctors smile

Donnadoon Thu 06-Jun-13 18:09:45

hi all, dd is 8 monhs tomorrow and 18lb 9 oz today. All good here weaning and sleeping wise touches wood

ChasingDaisy Thu 06-Jun-13 18:24:28

Close to losing it today. Really fucking close.

ValiumQueen Thu 06-Jun-13 18:29:31

What is happening chasing?

ValiumQueen Thu 06-Jun-13 18:42:35


PurplePidjin Thu 06-Jun-13 18:55:44

((hug)) chasing

Lily311 Thu 06-Jun-13 18:58:00

You ok chasing?
Lots to say but will be back later. Can I just say fuck the fuckity off thrush? O seems better but her tongue is covered. I have daktarin. She had physio today, screamed like never before but did everything well.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 06-Jun-13 19:02:28

Evening all.

Chasing hope you are ok sweetie xx
Pikz glad your day has picked up

Loving how we're all on our way to being CMPI experts, thanks to YW the quiche. In RL I have to say "a friend whose little boy has ishoos" as I fear people wouldn't understand the awesomeness of Le Quiche.

The heat appears to have fried my one remaining brain cell and I can't remember a single thing of what I was going to say to peeps sad

Amusing MIL dairy tales...for tea tonight she was going to cook quiche (I shit you not) unyil I pointed out that she uses about a kg of cheese. So then she did jacket potatoes, and nearly put some Flora Buttery on mine ("but that's not dairy? really?). Pudding was icecream. She helpfully suggsted I could have a yoghurt instead hmm F will be taking a packed lunch to Nannys I think.

ChasingDaisy Thu 06-Jun-13 19:04:36

Think PMT is making my depression worsen. Feeling dark today.

O seems to be becoming more difficult and I'm finding that hard.

MissMummy1 Thu 06-Jun-13 19:16:10

Place marking. Trying and failing to catch up.

Stuck in car insurance hell dealing with the accident in the hire car from 2 months ago. My insurance company wont accept liability and neither will the insurance company who arranged it. Enterprise are being twunts. Think I may need to get legal advice....

Hugs for chasing thanks

I need wine wine wine

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 19:19:21

Hugs chasing thanks

I have another qq (sorry!) do I store the ranitidine in the fridge or cupboard?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 06-Jun-13 19:19:46

[chocolate] for chasing - scientifically proven to help unless you're bf a cmpi baby when it will probably make things worse

PetiteRaleuse Thu 06-Jun-13 19:19:52

chasing he is learning new stuff faster than ever before. He is also able to explore his surroundings from a new angle. He is digesting new, alien food, and who can remember what that feels like? He can communicate better than ever before. And his little teeth are giving him grief, along with the usual growth spurt pains. He wants to be more independent, but can't be. Because, let's face it, they're still relatively rubbish at most stuff compared to us

It's normal for them to have bad days now for no particular reason. Sometimes in the morning I realise LO is going to have a bad day. And she does.

Things to watch for are fevers, lack of appetite over several days, and dehydration, especially now it's summer. LO also gets grumpy when she's due a poo. Cheers up right after.

Don't worry. It was a bad day. He'll be back to his sunny self soon and if not, doctor.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 06-Jun-13 19:20:48

Fruit ours is on the worktop, don't think there's any need for it to be in the fridge.

ChasingDaisy Thu 06-Jun-13 19:23:19

PR thanks He seems to be getting angry/frustrated. Sure he will be much happier once he can crawl. He also hasn't had a poo today.

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 19:24:07

Thanks pig

Clarella Thu 06-Jun-13 19:24:20

Hugs chasing. that extra hormone yuck will not help brew G exceptionally difficult at mo. 6 months on Monday though 2 weeks late! He wants everything and wants to do everything and gets pissed off he can't then seems to need a sleep after an hour and half of being awake. One thing I am finding helps suddenly is a sling (he's hated them for months but now seems to get it) would he go in one while you pootle / watch tv/ go for a walk/ eat chocolate? Have had to do walks first but he's now accepting being in them in house (with toy attached) frequently nodding off in them.

Sorry not kept up quiche, been finding stuff tough (bf a fussy 6 mo old, zero sleep etc) but doing my version of sleep training (merge of stunts version and another thing I found on mn) and actually thinking it's starting to help (fx)

Clarella Thu 06-Jun-13 19:32:22

Chasing sounds v like g. I've decided he's v over tired. Been waking hourly at night too. I've noticed he suddenly has much better eye sight this week and is spotting little tiny things and wants to pick them up including my nipple and dhs nipple. As a result he's extremely easily over stimulated too. So v frustrated and v over tired. I found a thread on mn with some good advice about naps and have been trying it (though not in his cot yet - naps by any means)

ChasingDaisy Thu 06-Jun-13 19:35:59

Thanks Clarella hugs for you too. He has been napping less lately so I think you're right about the over stimulation/over tiredness. Might aim to have a few quiet calm days with him. He shouts/screams every time he drops a toy or can't roll over. Today I couldn't leave his line of sight without him crying.

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 06-Jun-13 19:43:12

We have ranitidine here too! Except my super cute cuddly chunk of a son weighs 10.6kg at 7months 1week! (that's 24lbs!!!) how long does it take to work?

pr I know we need to do something with his sleep but controlled crying seems hard. Also he may be waking in pain as well! And if he's hungry am I meant to leave him crying?! It's tricky. She left me a leaflet thing but it barely touches on it. Will be googling tonight!

Pikz Thu 06-Jun-13 19:44:52

Chasing massive hugs and Clarella

Today I am thankful for awesome GPs and my vvvvdp who is currently making LO laugh so much. He is a ace father and definitely my lobster and has proved he can properly think for himself when it comes to LO today.

I am thankful that nurofen and Capol have allowed him to laugh for a while as he needs it as much as me.

Kyzordz Thu 06-Jun-13 19:46:13

Marking place, hope to catch up later but chasing e has had a shitty day today too with not much napping and only a bit of poo. Maybe they'll have good days tomorrow?

ChasingDaisy Thu 06-Jun-13 19:52:04

Izzy I was going to ask how you feel about controlled crying after the HV suggested it. It certainly isn't for everyone but you have been through so much with the lack of sleep. Is it worth giving the ranitidine a try first?

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 06-Jun-13 19:55:25

chasing I know we need to do something. I'm not too sure what it entails but my initial reaction to it isn't great! The HV said that it's suitable from 6months and that results can be within a week, that's the tempting part!

ChasingDaisy Thu 06-Jun-13 20:01:03

It must be very tempting and a hard decision to make. Like you, I think my worry would be, what if he is waking in pain? It's so tough isn't it?

PetiteRaleuse Thu 06-Jun-13 20:07:43

izzy if you can wade your way past the hype over controlled crying it really isn't cruel. People confuse it with leaving them to cry it out. That's not at all the same thing. It's certainly not leaving a hungry baby to cry. It does involve an aspect of routine though, especially in the evenings. I do it, to a certain extent, because with a demanding toddler too I can't spend ages settling LO. I suggest you read up on it, and adapt to what you need to do. You have to start getting some sleep. But when you read about it, remember the confusion people have. Controlled crying is NOT leaving them to cry and blocking your ears for hours on end.

Clarella Thu 06-Jun-13 20:10:12

thanks for hugs. hugs back atcha all! grin

personally I get uneasy about cc if there's a possibility of other issues.a friend had success at 10 mo but ruled everything else out.

been trying to find that thread to post here but can't - I did copy the main text though if anyone wants it. the op had an exclusively bf baby who woke hourly in the night and was very 'alert ' in day. a friend of hers felt he was over tired and suggested a regime of naps. within 2 days said baby was sleeping 5- 7 hours at night (oh I fucking wish. 2 hourly and recently 1 hourly wakes for 3 months is not a regression. it's an issue)

I've adopted it and seen results already. (mind you I feel reflux issues vastly improved here) basically an hour and a half after waking (esp the morning nap which I think for g could even be an hour after waking) I provide a nap opportunity in a way I know he likes - car, pram (though he's nearly out grown carry cot. but hates push chairhmm ) or sling (sling getting thumbs up from him) after lunch today I offered a lying on the bed feed so I could sneak a rest and we managed an hour and a half on and off.

weaning has had a shaky start as he's been too tired when I've tried. but today was fab as he'd fed when he woke from a nap and I got him at prime concentration time. it's taking some organising but I feel is worth it to reset something.

I can't believe he's been asleep for two hours now.

Passmethecrisps Thu 06-Jun-13 20:31:11

<pokes nose into new thread>


izzy ranitidine can have immediate results but can take 1 week to show its full impact. If wee J has been suffering from silent reflux all this time I would be inclined to try a few days of ranitidine first then move onto CC. His throat is likely to be sore so avoiding crying for a few days where possible would be better. I don't really know what CC is actually. I suspect that there is confusion between that and CIO.

Hooray for awesome GP's and Dh's pikz! What a difference a few hours makes. Your GP sounds smashing.

chasing <cuddles> to you. PR had a load of good advice. I have come across lots of young women who find themselves faced with people's judgement for being thin. I find it amazing that strangers feel they have a right to comment on anyone's body shape or size.

mm I cannot believe that this insurance business is still trundling on. Fuck sticks.

Poor still-vommy j VQ.

StuntNun Thu 06-Jun-13 20:36:32

Great news that things are going better Clarella and there's ranitidine all round!

If you're going to try cc Izzy make sure you and your partner are prepared for it and ready to back each other up. It can work really well and quickly for some babies. We did it with DS1 and DS2, going in every 5-10 minutes (it varies depending on which plan you follow) and saying there there it's nighttime. They were a bit older than 6 months though. DH tried it with J and it didn't work, the crying ramped up and up and after that he wouldn't sleep in his cot for a while. I do think you need a bedtime routine in place so that baby knows that it's time to go to sleep. Personally I prefer the gradual retreat method at this age but that means spending a lot of time with the baby as they settle and probably takes longer to work whereas cc is a short sharp shock to implement. Be warned though, the first night you may have to go in every however many minutes for hours. Then it should be less time the next night and relatively quick the third night if it all works to plan.

Passmethecrisps Thu 06-Jun-13 20:37:28

Oh aye! clarella! P has started trying to pick everything up as well. I was wearing a dress with cats on the other day and p spent ages pincering the print.

Today's nomortunity was hummus with breadsticks. She grabbed the stick, shoved it in her gob and broke out in a big beaming smile. I tried to take the stick off her to replace it with a new one but she launched herself at it. Good job.

We were also at the docs as following P's intake increasing by 50% it has gradually slid down again and bottle refusal started again in earnest. Turns out that she could be on up to 20mg of omeprazole. He has said I can go up to 10mg without going back to see him. He was lovely and very hmm that p's follow up appointment has been moved from July to September.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 06-Jun-13 20:40:26



ChasingDaisy Thu 06-Jun-13 20:40:26

Good job P. Breadsticks were on my to try list but have been struck off due to him not being able to stomach wheat yet.

Clarella Thu 06-Jun-13 20:41:22

oh and this op did super early bed time no later than 6

PennieLane Thu 06-Jun-13 20:43:38

chasing my LO was like that at 6 months to the day, but a week later everything changed and it is so much easier than it has ever been. He'll get there. Hope you're ok, can your mum help?

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 20:44:23

Breadsticks are a huge hit here too. I had never thought to actually dip them in something though, silly mummy.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 06-Jun-13 20:45:40

Embarassing moment of the day: answering the door to postie wearing DD1's frilly hair clips. Put on hours before to amuse her then forgotten about.

Scary moment of the day: testing DH's piss soaked iphone. It still works. Bit smelly though. But I can't exactmy clean it in soap and water.

Glamourous moment of the day: putting on the rubber gloves and doing a clise up inspection of DD1's potty work.

Stupidest moment of the day: mopping up some spilt puree when the dog could have done it for me.

Funniest moment of the day: DD1 lining up the garden chairs and dancing in front of them as if she had an audience. Then applauding herself at the end.

Night quiche x

YellowWellies Thu 06-Jun-13 20:47:43

Just lost a massive post by being an eejit and pressing the back button. Arse....

Catching up....

Izzy great news on ranitidine and having a sensible HV! Give it a week, doseage might need to be tweaked - it might be he needs omeperazole. I'd sort out meds before controlled crying - not least because if it is reflux then crying just makes reflux worse as when they scream they bring up stomach acid. If meds don't work you may need to consider CMPI and cut dairy / soy from his diet / your diet.

PR mucus poos are classic CMPI symptom as is being generally snotty and mucousy. All humans have some degree of CMPI as our digestive system isn't designed for another animal's breast milk - its a spectrum - some kids will just be a bit farty others, like J will be a total Armageddon screamathon at the slightest sniff of cheesy goodness. Sob.

Cat bag and Madam total respect for being such clever boffins - I pitied my lawyer pals at uni when I saw what they had to revise for finals at Oxford. Its so opaque!!!! My brain just couldn't retain such precision.

I too was a 7-8 stone chain smoking near alcoholic when engaged to my consummate fecktard in my twenties. Friends used to sing 'oh cat you are just skin and bone, if you ate you could be beautiful' to the tune of yellow by Cold play. I couldn't see it myself. I put on weight when happy. I find no one says a word when I'm dumpy (until after I've lost it) but anyone will comment often nastily if you're skinny. It might be jealousy but its misguided.

Friends - I think the modern world separates us from childhood and uni friendship groups. Its sad. Modern life is quite isolating. I have amazing friends in Oxford and Orkney and want to make a new circle here in Fife but its slow going. My twin is my best female friend but I'd like some genetically non identical ones too as it can be like talking to yourself grin

Just bought a joint anniversary / fathers day present for DH. A day's salmon fishing on the Tweed with a ghillie. He's been such a rock this year he deserves something special. Am letting him open the card with the voucher in tonight - I think he'll be shock shock shock shock shock shock grin grin grin grin I hope so.

Clarella Thu 06-Jun-13 20:48:06

grin petite

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 20:48:14

Love love love the funniest moment pr I cannot wait for S to start doing things like that.

YellowWellies Thu 06-Jun-13 20:52:40

Pass interesting 20ml a day - what's that work out as mg/kg wise? We're on 2mg / kg but am not convinced its enough when teething / post viral.....

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 06-Jun-13 20:53:12

Yay for good gps. Ranitidine all round. E's dose hasn't changed since she was prescribed it 3 months a go. Mind you we haven't seen the consultant since it was prescribed. I'm still giving it 3 times a day. She's 7 months on Saturday, should I change it to 2 times a day instead? Oh and I keep mine in the larder cupboard. I'm amazed how many quiche babies are now on medication for some form of reflux.

We've had a bit of a frantic day. When I eventually went to wake up E her tube was out so had to fit in yet another trip to the hospital. So today has been like so: drop DD1 at preschool, go to baby sensory (which E loved), trip to hospital to get tube repassed, pick DD1 up, go to tumble tots, quick trip to the park (where DD1 faceplanted off the swing and bashed her nose resulting in lots of blood) drop DD1 off at inlaws, take E to the dietician meeting, pick DD1 up from inlaws ...Home!

Clarella Thu 06-Jun-13 20:53:36

lol he woke after I typed two hours but huge improvement!!

<clings on to hope he'll be happier in a week>

still if extra naps help its good to go back to basics.

I want to introduce dairy and formula. which first? yogurt over milk?

Clarella Thu 06-Jun-13 21:01:42

you must be knackered Eliza wine

I do think the frustration linked to reflux issues prob makes us search out the support of mn etc. if my baby slept even 4 hours regularly and bf had been the dream it is right now all the way through I'd prob never be on mn looking for answers/ support.

I've felt so lonely (and a weird fusspot) as friends babies easily pop off into their own rooms for up to 11 hour sleeps as I hand hold, comfort feed, and prop mine up on a pillow all night long. (pillow gone thank god) and for ever fearful of the next breast feed as others peacefully feed their babies while I rugby tackle mine or avoid altogether and distract him in order to go home, try some gavisgon and lie on the bed.

ValiumQueen Thu 06-Jun-13 21:08:05

Izzy J slept through for the first time in months when he had the ranitadine. The very first night, and for a week before fucking regression hit. I also think CC can be very effective in the right circumstance. I think your J is too young and sore for that.

ValiumQueen Thu 06-Jun-13 21:10:26

I agree Clarella. With DD2 I barely visited the post natal thread. Granted they were nowhere near as awesome as us, but I did not need the support. I also went back to work much earlier.

ValiumQueen Thu 06-Jun-13 21:11:46

Clarella yoghurt first as more broken down protein thingy bobs.

Passmethecrisps Thu 06-Jun-13 21:11:50

If I remember correctly YW doc said 3mg/kg. that would be about right as p was 6.4kg 3 weeks ago. I had a bit of an emotional vomit to him about not being sure what to do with the omeprazole as I felt quite comfy with ranitidine. I used to up it by 10% when she was suffering and be quite happy doing so but I just feel a bit weird doing that with omeprazole. He assured me that continuing in this vein was a common sense approach and there was no harm at all. He suggested a sort of max down to min approach nudging down as low as poss without pain. He suggested going straight to 10mg but I am not sure. I might go to 6 for a few days and leave some headroom for bad days. He was very open to the idea of teething and so on making reflux worse. Considering I was 10 minutes late he was very accommodating.

clarella naps are definitely the way to go. Sleep begets sleep. I always sleep better when relaxed - if my head is buzzing I can't sleep.

Thechick Thu 06-Jun-13 21:14:40

Happy 8 months to your little one Donna where has the time gone. I think H is now about 17lb, he was weighed last about 3 weeks ago.

Clarella Thu 06-Jun-13 21:19:22

thanks I thought yogurt plus probiotic thingy bobs too grin

but formula??? I'm a bit nervous about it but have a wedding next wkend. not sure if I'll manage to express enough for the 12 hours I'll be away from him confused

just been googling grumpy 6 mo old; common complaint it seems grin

TheDetective Thu 06-Jun-13 21:19:34

Yes, I feel.

Oh. Crying baby.

Ah DP gone.

Right. Carry on...

As I was saying, yes I feel like that Clarella. No one I actually know has babies like ours. It is like we are hanging around to support each other - knowing we all have it tough one way or another.

I couldn't have done this without you buggers! And O has massive thanks to YW and her insanely amazing knowledge of all things intolerance and reflux!

Rantidine peeps - keep ours in the cupboard. O hasn't had his dose altered - but I have altered it for him. I've upped him quite a bit really. And this last week I have gone to 2 times a day as the consultant told us you can do this from 6 months. I waited til he was weaning more, and then upped it to 2mls twice a day. It's much easier twice a day, no more having to take it plus syringe out with us! Also, we got a massive improvement with upping it. He was having 1ml 3 times a day before.

Speaking of Ranitidine. O now hates it. It's a massive struggle - has been for about 6 weeks. Gave it half and half with water tonight, but he still screamed and had to be pinned down to give it. No tricks work any more, he just spits it back out. So - how the fuck do I get it in without the battle of strength wills. It takes DP holding him and me getting it in. confused

O has a really snotty nose. He had a bad night last night - awake 10 times. We didn't know why. Til later this morning when his nose just started streaming like a tap. He's calpoled and got a karvol capsule on a muslin tied to the cot. Hope for a better night tonight. Though I am on O duties tonight, so you might see me here rocking backwards and forwards in the small hours. hmm

O's already woke twice, so I'm not holding out much hope. He's going straight back with switching ewan on, or chest patting, so I really can't complain. Wish I could sleep on his floor, as would be easier. But oh well.

Chasing You are not alone. O is very hard work at the moment. I know why - DS1 just the same. He wants to be independent. He's strong, and has lots of ideas. He just can't do what he wants yet! And in the meanwhile, it is tough for us as they get so damn frustrated - over what seems like nothing! I know it will get easier, I am willing O to crawl, as although it will be harder as he is more mobile, he will be happier!

O had a nasty bump to the head today. He was standing up with me holding his arms when he violently threw himself backwards and out of my grip, smacking his head really hard on the floor - which was hard - we were in baby group. He cried, then held his breath for what seemed like forever, before screaming like I've never heard before. I cried too. But then he went on to keep banging his head all the time through the session, as he was rolling over etc. So he pretty much cried the whole thing. It was hard hard hard work. I really just wanted to go home. He is only used to rolling on soft floors at home. So I guess that is why he isn't holding his head so much when he rolls, as he doesn't think it should hurt!

Pikz Thu 06-Jun-13 21:22:45

Det just thought of you when saw thi http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=360671327364

TheDetective Thu 06-Jun-13 21:32:26

Thank you pikz grin I shall be watching that like a hawk!.

Evilwater Thu 06-Jun-13 21:38:34

A good day here! N has eaten some breakfast and lunch, but no to supper. So we are on the way up!! smile I'm knackered, and my hip is very painful. It's been 24 degrees here, beach tomorrow?

I'm so tired..... Night all.

fruitpastilles Thu 06-Jun-13 21:44:36

Our next door neighbours have a 2 week old baby and she has cried for the past 2 hours solid, I feel so sorry for them. They also have a 2 year old who's room is next to S's and I can hear her shouting shhhh to the baby, bless her.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 06-Jun-13 21:46:56

Thanks for the wine clarella You are right, I am knackered but in a good way rather than a sleep deprived way so I really don't deserve it. I'll share it with you.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 06-Jun-13 22:14:59

If I had had a non-reflux baby, who had slept in her crib during the day, I would not have scoured the internet and chanced upon MN. And thank goodness F was early and I made it onto this quiche. I do not know a single RL baby who has had the same problems as we have had, and without the quiche I would have been going quite bonkers with isolation.

Lovely to read about peoples days - PR there was a wee girl in the supermarket today singing Bryan Adams over and over and over but she was tuneful. Her poor mum looked a little frazzled though, suspect she has had enough of wants to kill Bryan Adams.

I have filled the freezer with purees this evening. Nom nom nom. Chicken, sweet potato & apple = yummy for mummy.

izzybizzybuzzybees Thu 06-Jun-13 22:34:06

I think you are all correct that his poor wee throat may need to heal before I do any kind of controlled crying. Have not yet read up on it. Will do that soon. J is to have the ranitidine twice daily, much easier than the gaviscon. I will see how things go and see what paeds say regarding things. HV was very nice and suggests we lay off even really trying food just now until news work. Has said to still offer finger foods when we eat but not to worry about purees.

Hoping for a nice day tomorrow. I've been to asda and bought stuff for a picnic, my sis is in strike so we will go a nice wee drive up past lomond shores to Luss.

Kyzordz Thu 06-Jun-13 22:36:23

wotcha doodlebugs, gonna have to pretend the last fred doesn't exist cos I don't have time to go through and reply to stuffs

so, food, e is doing really well I think. he would avoid many savoury things but usually eats some once he's tasted it. the initial getting the first spoon in is now getting easier. ge eats less of something when its lumpy but i didnt know whether to remove them or hope he gets used to them. he enjoys feeding himself but often lets me spoonfeed him. detective's plan of upping mash to other stuff ratio works and he has 50:50 with sweet potato now without gagging. I have also been lacking in finger food ideas recently.

e also gets frustrated when he cant roll back from his front and cannot crawl but wants to. I too hope he learns and stops complaining so sodding much!

izzy I think cc is worth a shot if meds don't help but I really hope they do the trick and make j feel better and thus help with sleep etc

glad drs went well fruit

poor j vq seems like it is never ending but hope he is vom and snot free asap

also hope dd1 is alright pr

ooh good news from drs for you too then pikz

wow donna 8 months already! glad all is well for you

hugs clarella

pass e loves hummus too! Bleurgh! so far he has never broken any breadsticks and I'd be sitting on my hands to stop myself extracting bits of breadsticks from his mouth! do you make or buy the hummus? hope p's milk intake goes back up now too smile I also love 'nommortunity'!

sounds like an amusing day pr!!

yw bet your dp loves his gift!

sounds like a knackering day eliza wine

hope you end up with an ok night detective and poor o and his noggin bless him

sounds like n is getting there evil well done to both of you!

so tired tonight. no excuse other than dealing with a nap dodging whingebag today!

hope sleep is had by all xxx

YellowWellies Thu 06-Jun-13 22:59:49

Det don't thank me - thank my shit genes - 8/9 Jonas' cousins have CMPI. And the one that 'didn't' have it - didn't sleep for longer than 20 minutes until she was three (and even then only if her mummy stroked her hair ALL NIGHT), had delayed speech (and to this day is v softly spoken due to voice box damage), has huge ishoos with being ill, barely eats anything and has explosive diarrhoea when given dairy. Guess which lucky cousin has a child psychologist who wanted a perfect baby, as her mother..... envy envy envy envy. This is why I push folks to get on meds - its damaging long term not to. Bar my relative the child psychologist - the other parents passed on lots of wisdom to make our ride easier.

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Jun-13 02:15:13

Where is everyone?

First feed here. I was at work so dp got hysterical baby down,was a battle by all accounts. No sleeping bag seems to have been the trick.

I don't understand why some parents have kids sad

LuisGarcia Fri 07-Jun-13 02:27:21

I'm here. Was just hoping you were all asleep.

Parents / kids from work?

LuisGarcia Fri 07-Jun-13 02:56:52

Also, you donuts were supposed to high five each other for having sleeping babies, not high five me.

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 03:15:37

Here too.

Second wake up. Both times he has managed to turn himself around completely so that his head is at the foot of the cot hmm I think his new found mobility is preventing him sleeping for long stretches. Anyway, decided not to feed him just now - rolled him onto his side and rubbed his back. He's now asleep again smile

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 03:23:58

He's awake again. And hasn't been fed in months apparently.

LuisGarcia Fri 07-Jun-13 03:25:07

How're you doing, CD?

Ok, so. I'm so fucking thankful I missed Wednesday and Thursday that I'm sticking my flag into Foodie Friday. We are having roast chicken with vermouth veloute, carrot lyonnaise with vichy coriander carrots, potato rosti and steamed broccoli, followed by parsnip muffins for dinner tonight.

LuisGarcia Fri 07-Jun-13 03:27:35

(I'm only posting that as a reminder to myself of what I need to shop for tomorrow morning, to be honest)

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 03:30:50

Are you/were you a chef?

I was momentarily happy because O seemed to have gone back to sleep. I am now despairing of his lack of ability to stay the fuck asleep.

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 03:35:04

<Thinks about running away to live at Chez Garcia>

I would have my weight problems sorted in no time. Drool.

LuisGarcia Fri 07-Jun-13 03:41:37

No, I'm not. I only taught myself to cook once J was born and I was responsible for feeding him. Now it's my stress release activity. I mainly taught myself by watching an American show called Good Eats, which is largely available on youtube, and puts every single British cookery show to utter shame.

Chasing you are a marvel.

(Also, go reread MrsG's post to you from a while back and LTB)

Bryzoan Fri 07-Jun-13 03:50:40

High fives Luis grin. I don't even know what half of that is. When life settles you have to go on masterchef so we all have someone to cheer for. Would make it much more fun. And you don't have to be an idiot like you would if you went on the apprentice.

High fives everyone else.

So - yesterday for me was 'feeling numb thursday'. Had our long awaited genetics appt for our gorgeous, happy, funny r - and a diagnosis of kabuki syndrome was confirmed. In a nutshell this means she is always going to find life quite hard. We were pretty confident it was kabuki or something very similar before the appointment. But still our hearts are breaking into a million pieces all over again. At least now though we have loads of speech therapy, physio etc in place to help her be the best she can - and by stopping work I'll have time to give her and g all the attention and help and every chance I can. I just love them both so much it hurts (as we all do).

I can confirm I really am a donut though. I really wanted a cup of tea at the hospital after the appt and like an idiot I thought I would try a splash of milk in it - hoping that g has grown out of his problems. Big mistake. Back to 90 min wakings tonight. Bugger. Sorry g.

In fact can I have sweary weds 48 hrs late please? Shot fuck bugger bugger balls and bacon. There. That is better. Thank you.

Bryzoan Fri 07-Jun-13 03:53:22

Only my iPhone would think shot is a swear word.

LuisGarcia Fri 07-Jun-13 03:54:35

<<Rugby tackles Bryzoan for a great big hug>>

Bryzoan Fri 07-Jun-13 03:55:44

Bacon really was mine. I just ran out of steam.

Bryzoan Fri 07-Jun-13 03:57:03

Thanks luis. Not feeling quite up to a rugby tackle though.

Donnadoon Fri 07-Jun-13 04:03:43

Thankyou thechick And to your H too smile

LuisGarcia Fri 07-Jun-13 04:03:58

<<Gently cuddles Bryzoan with plenty of warning>>

Anything I can think of to say sounds trite and stupid, other than the fact that you've been an inspiration to me on my journey with J, and R is very very lucky to have you.

Bryzoan Fri 07-Jun-13 04:13:29

Thank you. That's better. You've also been an inspiration to me. It's been really lovely hearing about a kid who is signing just in the context of being a kid, and part of someone's normal family life. The sen boards and facebook groups I'm on are great but are about difference. It is lovely to feel a bit of it as normality for a change. J sounds absolutely wonderful. It would be fun to meet him one day.

YellowWellies Fri 07-Jun-13 04:58:15

Oh Bryz big hug my love. xxx

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Jun-13 05:09:54

Bryz dx is the hardest time - you have to confront the fact things are different and you grieve for the child you imagined you would have. I'm always on for that coffee if you can get to Ringwood <<gentle squidge>>

Yes, kids at work. Lovely, polite, talented kids with "don't care" attitudes and police/ss involvement because the adults in their lives can't be arsed sad

MissMummy1 Fri 07-Jun-13 05:21:00

Big hugs bryzoan - will a diagnosis help with resources and support? xo

I am in awe of all of you dealing with allergy sufferers. I now feel like an expert just reading this thread about your ezperiences with CMPI.

The RL friend thing is a tough one. I spent my whole childhood craving to be 'the popular one' at school but in reality only really ever had a few really close friends. Now in my adult life I have lots of friends from lots of different areas in my life, but only really 1 (maybe 2) close friends, and certainly no one person I could define as a 'best friend'.

Matilda did not get the memo about being able to sleep through. She took forever to go down last night, finally slept at about 11ish and has been up since 4. This is not 12 hours that you have been doing all week child!!! envy confused It seems she only sleeps well when her dad is here. sad

I have also realised that the car situation is stressing me more than I thought. I would not be surprised if it is to blame for me feeling sick all of the time as last night was the worst i have felt for a while.

Is anyone's post pregnancy PMT a lot worse than it was pre-babies? I have been a complete bitch to dp the past few days. Really nasty to the point I am embarassed with myself and have no justification. EVERYTHING he is doing is wrong - including breathing. blush blush blush

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 06:03:55


Yes mm my post pregnancy pmt is worse than I have ever had. I am hoping it will calm down over time.

Just checked weather forecast for my stay in England. You know that lovely sun? Wll it's going from the northwest from Tuesday (I arriveMonday night) and lots of lovely rain has been predicted. With some sun. Not too cold though so I suppose it could be worse.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 06:09:03

Ha. Jst checked another website and that rain predicted on the bbc site is no more than 2mm in a day. That's not rain. That's dew.

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 06:20:08

Bry big big hug x you are a wonderful mummy and your delightful little girl is very lucky to have been born into your lovely family x

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 06:24:52

bryzoan I only just read your post. Massive hugs. I echo what vq just said. You're brilliant.

Bryzoan Fri 07-Jun-13 06:44:50

Thanks yw, pidj and mm.

Pidj I would love that coffee. At the moment we have loads of appts between all the therapies, medical stuff and looking at schools. But I'll check the calendar :-) your job sounds tough. It makes me really sad that there are so many kids out there with parents who don't care enough.

Mm - yes - it will be something of a magic key. I have already used the faintest whiff of a diagnosis to unlock quite a lot... But it will really help with the statementing process (which should help to get the support she needs for school).

I am sure the stress could be a factor in your illness - did they start at the same time? I remember once being promoted out of a really stressful job being suddenly amazed not to have a knot in my stomach and be feeling sick any more. It does all sound horrid. Worth checking medical reasons too though to be safe.

Luis - been meaning to say also that I've found hearing about the way you have made signing such a normal part of j's life has been really helpful to me. You and mrsG sound like you are doing brilliantly. Hugs to you both.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 07-Jun-13 06:45:14

bry hugs. I have no experience of your situation but you are clearly very strong and a fantastic mummy.

luis I'm drooling.

mm not having periods thank fuck so don't know about pmt.

Right - vDH got up when the day started at 5 am. Had better join himsmile

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 07-Jun-13 06:50:24

yw my bit of friends wisdom. Don't jump in and take it slow. Don't mix up your children's friends with yours I.e. if your child is boosom buddies with someone you don't have to be BFF with their mum. The groups you interact with will change a lot over the next 5 years until they go to school.

You will be ok and you always have the quiche!

Lily311 Fri 07-Jun-13 06:53:00

bry big hugs. It's normal to feel numb and you are doing brilliantly, you are the best Mum for your little girl. I knew nothing about kabuki but did a quick search.

mm no pmt here probably bec I'm too busy to pay attention to everything else.

lois food sound too good to be true. Nom NIM.

det I saw a pic of O in his toddle pot. Is it comfortable?

chasing it will pass. A week ago O was the same as your O, she got so frustrated by everything and she was unputdownable. She figured out sitting and rolling that week so I guess it was developmental leap.

O woke once, I knew she would as she hardly drunk anything yest because of her thrush. Poor little one.

Bryzoan Fri 07-Jun-13 07:06:55

Thanks all xx

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 07:46:17

Sorry to hear the sleep dodger has resurrected herself MM - hope she behaves for you tonight. It does sound as though the sickness etc may be related to stress/anxiety. I hope the nobhead insurance companies get their acts together pronto for you.

Lily hope Os thrush clears up soon, poor mite.

Bry nothing to add to what other people have said, but it sounds as though you are doing wonderfully xx

Luis <drools>

2nd night in the cot went swimmingly. Feeds at 10 and 3. There was definitely some grizzling at some point but I went back to sleep, and then it was 6 and she was up grin. Total food refusal this morning, and a whingebag to boot - trying to work out if it's tooth related, or ff related.

<scratches head>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 08:07:47

We're sat out in the sun. I say sat. Me and LO are sat. dd1 is playing tig with the dog. It's going to be28 degrees today so in a while after the vitamin D fix will be closing the shutters and staying inside. I've got very pale skin, and am over careful with the sun possibly, but until they get used to it want to avoid it.

I can't believe that a week ago we still had the heating on.

DD1 has no temp this morning, but still doing horrendous bms, so will not take her in today. She seems well in herself. Shall giver her rice for lunch.

StuntNun Fri 07-Jun-13 08:10:49

(((Hugs))) Bryzoan the dx is the hardest part but it also makes things easier when you have a definite diagnosis. I find with my DS1 I divide his life into before diagnosis where we didn't know what was wrong and were stumbling along blindly, and the time after where suddenly we had a reason for all the problems, the inexplicable behaviour and a way to help him. For accessing sen help then a firm diagnosis is essential as the system likes to have clear 'labels' for people. It'll take a while to sink in but then I'm sure you'll find a bit of peace with it all. Is there a support organisation that you can join for Kabuki?

Bryzoan Fri 07-Jun-13 08:26:57

Thanks stunt - yes - there is kabuki uk - have already signed up for their family fun day which us in 2 weeks, and met some of the families through facebook. They seem lovely. Have definitely noticed the label thing - as soon as it was being discussed as possible doors started opening much more easily. Was thinking about that 'divide' last night. We will never not know again. As you say though, I'm sure we will just get used to it and it will just become a part of our lives soon.

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Jun-13 08:40:23

Bry sling meet is next Friday, otherwise i can come up whenever -it's only 25 minutes for me. Could have a rummage for clothes and toys in TEDS if you like?

R slept 8-5 with 1 wake up shock

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 09:10:26

Morning all

Bry I did a quick google of kibuki syndrome and have no wise words, only massive hugs. The love you have for your children shines through from every one of your posts. They are extremely lucky to have you smile

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 09:11:37


horseylady Fri 07-Jun-13 09:16:43

bry hugs.

With friends, mmmmm, I've always moved in fairly small circles of friends. Always been a geek too lol and would also chose riding to a piss up. Well maybe not at 18. I dunno. Ime friendship groups change as you move through different phases. So when I was at primary school I had two BFF. I'm in contact with them on fb. In secondary school one of my BFF moved to the 'cool' group. She was pretty with long blond hair and wore trendy clothes and loved take that. I has straggly hair, a big nose, skinny as a rake and loved horses. I had very very clever friends. Very clever ones.

Two of the three if them are still my BFF!!!

I have two close horsey friends. A close work friend then lots of other friends. Any if whom I meet up with up on a fairly regular basis. Maybe you guys wouldn't call them friends. But it's how we define friendship. I think it's people who happily chat to, go to lunch with, gossip with.

I think online friendships are also invaluable.

But like everything, life changes.

I don't go out to seek friends, I just make them on my way. Some continue, some don't. But they've all been friendships. Like 'relationships' some last, some don't. But they happened.

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 09:18:02

Bloody hell PP! Good one R! smile

I think we have all done a little google this morning Bry. My brother has Asbergers and was only diagnosed a year ago at age 47. There is a clear 'before and after' but he remains the same wonderful brother I have always had. The diagnosis has opened doors for him and he is getting a lot of good support.

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 09:20:43

Lily thank you. That is helpful to know about your O, as she is a week older than mine. I think a developmental leap is to blame. He was practicing his rolling in his cot last night and this morning managed to roll back to front without getting his arm stuck. Hopefully things calm down soon. It is wonderful to see him so mobile though.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 10:02:31

Are you feeling any brighter today, chasing?

Arghhh!! Really struggling to keep up.
In fact had a shit couple of days so struggled to do much.

A few QQs while I finish catching up...
Ms not BF as much during the day (but then woke 3 times last night) should I just keep offering as much as possible?

How have you got them to take water from the sippy cup? Is it just a case of keep offering at every meal time and they'll pick it up?

How do I serve avocado? Can I do slices and mush it too? And am I right in thinking it can't be frozen?

And another baby fashion hmm related question:

I bought M a gorgeous romper from a "designer boutique" that I love but had so far managed to stay away from. It was 30% off anyway which brought the price more in line to say gap/boden type. However I got it home and one of the poppers on the shoulder (there's two poppers on each shoulder) does not have the back attached to the material, it's the inside of the two poppers so still wearable.
I've emailed the shop lady and she was v apologetic. She was ringing the brand to see if they have any more available in that size they can send, if not she'll give a full refund.

Here's the thing, I love the outfit. So I don't want to give it back for a full refund. It's still wearable with the popper not fastening. But obviously I wouldn't want to pay full price (-30%) for a faulty item. (There was 30% off everything).

Do you think I could ask for a partial refund and keep it? Or would that be cheeky? Or ask for a money off voucher for next time I want to buy something?

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 10:22:50

Fatima it would be worth a try, not sure that they have any obligation to offer anything other than a full refund though. F has dropped feeds in the day, but added in her own dream feed since starting solids (not very dreamy as she wakes up and squawks for it)

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 10:35:10

fatima mush up avocado with a fork or chop into finger food. It's very slippery though so not surehow it would work as finger food. I normally mash with a fork and spoon feed or put on toast. I havn't tried freezing it - I can't imagine that working but I might be wrong.

LO will take her sippy cup and drink from it, ie puts it to her mouth. It's a bit hit and miss as to how much she drinks vs how much she dribbles right back out. I would keep offering, maybe show LO how it works acouple of times.

StuntNun Fri 07-Jun-13 10:48:11

Kellymom's advice on refusing bf in the daytime is to offer the breast every two hours Fatima. It's a phase and it should pass in time. They just have so much going on at the moment.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 11:46:53

AIBU to tell DD1 that Mr Tumble is on holiday this afternoon because she's going to want to watch him and I want to watch the French Open semis grin

itsnotyouitsMeals Fri 07-Jun-13 12:15:50

Huge hugs bry you are an amazing mum and R is still your wonderful girl. The love you have for them both shines through your posts.

Like vq my brother has Asperger's and was diagnosed in adulthood. It has made so much difference to his quality of life and how much support he receives. It was definitely a point of no return but has been so worth it.

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 12:23:52

Quick catch up while O snoozes in his car seat.

Avocado: I mush up and spoon feed/spread on rice cake. Have given as finger food but bit slippery.

Sippy cup I offer at every meal and he is getting the hang of it now. I usually hold it for him but sometimes he will hold it himself.

Just went out for coffee and shopping with my dad and stepmum. O sat on their laps while I drank my drink and we had no tears at all! First time this has happened so I am properly chuffed. He is either coming out of that phase or getting used to them. Either way, I am pleased and the in-laws can eat their words

pig I am feeling a bit brighter today thank you. Will probably be more stressed later. This is the only day this week that P isn't working a late shift but he is off out to a party tonight so it is down to me to sort dinner, bath and bed again. Seeing MIL tomorrow which will be fun hmm

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 12:27:25

Oh and O has started to reduce his 10am feed, only taking 1 or 2oz. I'm guessing this is ok? He tends to have breakfast at 9ish which is usually porridge and fruit. Today he had a rice cake as well.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 12:29:44

QQ (for YW and others!)

Gave F her first bottle of Pepti Jnr yesterday at 4pm. No probs yesterday with evening meal, feeds, sleep. Since this morning, she's been fussy, grizzly, hiccuping and coughing. Am sorely tempted to chuck Pepti in the bin and go back to Nutramigen. But should I persist, as this may be teeth related?

Also confused, as the diet advice sheet says quite clearly, avoid hydrolysed whey protein. And Pepti is hydrolysed whey proteiin confused

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 12:53:15

PR tell her that Mr Tumble has gone on holiday to watch the tennis and if she watches really closely she might spot him in the crowd.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 07-Jun-13 13:31:01

Good idea chasing, for pr's DD!

Have just had to pick a poorly DS up from nursery. He vommed spectacularly.sad on the plus side, I am now at home with the tennis on. But didn't get any work done at work. Ah well.

A woman brought her 4 week old into work today. He was 5 weeks early, her waters broke in the office and she only just made it to hospital. I didn't manage to chat to her as was dashing out to get DS, but I overheard her say he was regularly doing 11pm until 5am. WTAF? envy

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 13:45:05

Madam F used to do that, as she was jaundiced. I used to be quite smug about my sleeping-through baby. Then the jaundice went and she woke up. And I felt like a proper nob.

itsnotyouitsMeals Fri 07-Jun-13 14:06:55

madam and bplp DD2 did that from 1 month until 4 months; 'twas lovely esp since DD1 didn't sleep through until she was 2. Then 4 month regression hit and I have barely slept since! Ah well. Both bf.

MissMummy1 Fri 07-Jun-13 14:07:24

14 pocket nappies all with micro-fibre booster, 1totsbots size 2 nappy with spotty wrap, fleece liners. All great condition. £60.

Should I go for it?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 14:11:25

Very good idea chasing thanks

MissMummy1 Fri 07-Jun-13 14:12:01

In fact, she is doing the whole lot for £50 including a wet and dry nappy pale and nappy cleaner. I am joining the dark green side of reusables!

Expect much questioning and if I have been ripped off here, please don't tell me!

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Jun-13 14:22:53

Pockets are about £4.50 new, £2-3 preloved. So worth £40 or so, but you'll need a bamboo insert too to get a decent 3 hour stretch from one nappy. You'll also need at least one more nappy and wrap combo, preferably 2 then you can wash every 3rd day. So yes, good deal but not everything you need iyswim smile

Hope you get some cool prints, pockets are awesome for that!

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Jun-13 14:26:16

Oh and do not wet pail it turns into poo soup. Splash some olbas onto a sanitary towel and stick inside the pail, then line with a mesh laundry bag. When you wash, tip the bag into the machine. Voila, no handling pissy nappies wink

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 14:52:03

Watching the French Open now too smile

Lily311 Fri 07-Jun-13 14:56:16

Which nappies? I wouldn't pay as much for Internet cheapies but would consider 'better' quality. I don't use wrap or bamboo booster, 2 microfibres give a good 2.5 hours stretch. But than we are in disposables for overnight. I use 14 and wash every 3rd day. Get a mesh laundry bag on eBay, I paid £1 inc delivery.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 07-Jun-13 15:14:36

So DS continues his fraudulent sick day by getting up on all 4s and crawling! He's also smacking the crap out of one of DD's beloved babies, shouting at the top of his voice. I'm reasonably sure he is fine grin

Kyzordz Fri 07-Jun-13 16:08:55

Hi all, very busy day here, fitting milk food sleep and shopping is orrible.

bry no words just hugs. R sounds brilliant and I hope the diagnosis means onward and upwards now

finally got round to buying a stupid avocado and stuff for ak recipes lovely lentils, butternut squash and pasta something and salmon, tomato and carrot something. Oh and stuff for chicken nuggets. Now to make it all. Got a jar of something or other as at mils. Bet he doesn't eat it. Oh well,toast and yoghurt it is tgenagain

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 16:19:27

I knew I was close to losing it and today I did. I shouted at O. He just wouldn't fucking sleep. I tried for an hour and my back is fucked. So he hasn't had his main nap of the day and I'm going to have to suffer the consequences later as P is fucking off out. Sat here crying now.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 07-Jun-13 16:54:47

chasing dont be too hard on yourself. We all have parenting events we are less than proud of. Just survive this evening and don't worry too much about routine. Hugs.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 17:04:13

chasing you shouted at him, you didn't hurt him. He'll forget. In fact might well already have forgotten. Sometimes you have to step away, put him in a safe place, like the cot, and step out of the room. Doesn't matter if he cries, take two minutes to calm down, relax...

There is no more awful sound for a mum than that of her crying baby. It is stressful. It's meant to be, as we can then respond to their needs. But sometimes it gets too much. I admit to having avery low tolerance threashold on crying babies. My DH is much calmer about it than me. On many occasions I have raised my voice or just walked away for a couple of minutes. It's OK. It's normal. (Screaming like a banshee every time he cries isn't of course, but the occasional frustrated 'just go the fuck to sleep' is normal.)

horseylady Fri 07-Jun-13 17:21:59

Ah chasing I threw the cat out the house yesterday for climbing on the work surfaces again. The reason? The dog was moulting and I'd hoovered twice, needed to again and I'd just bloody well not got time. E was crying as he wanted to crawl, he couldn't crawl because the bloody dog had decided she needed to shed her entire coat and the cat jumped on the surface AGAIN and was eating out the bowl of leftover porridge. So the cat got it.

I just went out to the cinema.

My horse is lame today sad

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 18:13:03

(((Chasing))) it happens. He will forgive you. Next time do as PR says, pop him somewhere safe and go in another room and scream and punch a pillow or something.

MM as has been said upthread it depends on make as to whether you have a bargain or not. Feel free to ask questions, and agree poo soup is not good. I will need to use washables again as have run out of sodding nappies and no money left in budget for this week.

MissMummy1 Fri 07-Jun-13 18:18:58

Hugs Chasing. I shouted at M when she was about 10 weeks. Something along the lines of "will you just fucking sleep!?". (she had slept maybe 10mins on me in the space of 48hrs and dp was away on a course). I felt awful that I had frightened her as she stopped crying briefly and still hate myself for it. But you know what? I did not hurt her, she still loves me and she had forgotten about it in seconds I had not. You are in an incredibly stressful situation and how you have not completely lost the plot at your P I don't know. I shout at my male resident on a daily basis (read upthread psycho on PMT). Go easier on yourself xxxx

Thank you for nappy advice. They are a mix of totsbots, bamboozles and some other make. They smelt a bit stale so are currently washed and out on the line. May rewash in vinegar just to be sure but otherwise they are like new. Will trial for a few weeks and if we don't get on then will eBay them. I am sure I will have 1000 questions to ask later!!

We are having chicken wrapped in pancetta with sweet potato risotto for tea tonight. There must be at least half a bottle of wine glugged into the risotto! I am working for an hour soon but cannot wait to eat it with a mahoosive glass of white wine out in the garden when I get home. It is a gorgeous evening tonight and our garden is almost finished it's make over so is looking a bit more appealing!!

Pikz Fri 07-Jun-13 18:26:33

Bry you are incredible... Big hug xx

Chasing the wise people of the quiche have spoken. DP had to take LO off me one night as I was losing it.

LO is like a different child on nurofen and Capol. Eating sleeping and jumping like a nutter I love having my boy back. I also have my car back! Yay!

Pr I like chasings lie!

VQ hope j is holding up ok?

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 18:31:24

We've had cloud and rain all day - not impressed!

Chasing been there, done that. Properly bellowed "shut up" at her. I still feel fucking awful about it now, months later - especially since she was probably screaming in pain sad. But it's only human nature. Now, if I feel myself getting wound up, and dh isn't around, I either leave her for a few minutes and go back refreshed, or admit defeat - and face the fallout later.

MM dinner sounds lurvely. You're a braver woman than me re: reusables - I shall look forward to hearing how you get on.

Have we heard from det today?

Fs eczema has recurred as well today. Plus she's refused solids all day apart from raspberry sorbet from mummys spoon. We shall be using Nutramigen. End of.

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 18:42:52

BP very odd about the formula. Very odd. Stick with Nutrimigen.

Pikz thank you. J is good today. Just scabby. Spent entire day outside which was lovely. Just had to put an hysterical 3yo to bed early as she was beyond tired.

Pikz Fri 07-Jun-13 18:45:35

LO just vommed on my face rubbed it in and laughed hysterically! Think I might bath with him!

TheDetective Fri 07-Jun-13 18:45:37

I'm here!! Just caught up. Will post soon! smile

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 18:46:52

Pikz nice!

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Jun-13 18:59:46

MM, shotgun first refusal on the bamboozles wink

Chicken, rice and peas for tea here - vvvdp did it properly with gungo peas and coconut milk. R had plain chicken in his, and sweet potato to get the texture right. Wolfed it down, Grandma will be proud!

Lily311 Fri 07-Jun-13 19:24:59

chasing I did that too before, even posted about it. I was close losing it today as she did not even let me go to the loo without screaming. I gave her calpol, it always always helps. She calmed down and was herself for an hour, than it started again. I think it's a combination of thrush and teething.

I interviewed 3 babysitters. One was a grandma, she turned up with her granddaughter aged 14. Now I wouldn't have been against it but she hasn't warned me and I felt uneasy. Second was lovely, she ticked all the boxes. 3rd is a big no. 1 more tmrw than I choose. I want to go running but have no one to look after O, my parents still work. It will be 4 times a week between 7 and 8.

Oh and in Hungary you can't give babies dairy under 1. Thanks fuck O is British. And no lentils before month 8, same with pasta or toast. All you can give is veg and chicken. Boring.

Lily311 Fri 07-Jun-13 19:26:56

Oh, pls help me to choose a book for a 5 year old who is into drawing, Star Wars, foo foo something, exercising and dress up. I got him the big doodle, drawing book for Xmas and he loves it, it's his bday on tues and I forgot all about it. Oh, and it has to be available on amazon.

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Jun-13 19:43:05
ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 19:52:58

Thank you everyone blush thanks

I feel awful. I shouted at him to shut up. I gave up my attempt to get him to sleep after that and he beamed at me. Little sod. He has been fine since and P put him to bed before pissing off to his piss up. I guess he just wasn't tired and I should learn to trust him, just as I do with his milk intake.

He has properly mastered rolling now - did three in a row across the living room confused

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 19:54:55

I think what doesnt help is that I can't speak to P about it. I can't give him any sign that I can't cope, otherwise he will use it against me in any custody 'battle'. Same with my depression.

Ok, enough me me me blush I'm sorry.

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Jun-13 20:00:04

Chasing R picks up on my stress and it makes him more upset - shouting is one way to break the cycle, as is walking away or, for daytime, changing activities. If he won't go down to sleep, put him in the buggy and go for a big fat sticky bun walk.

And please keep posting. The quiche is here for the bad shit and the good I've got bubbles on ice for the day you walk away <squidge>

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 20:18:17

I might throw a quiche party when I leave grin

Passmethecrisps Fri 07-Jun-13 20:22:55

Happy Friday fuckers.

P went to bed fine last night and woke up at 11pm roaring and screaming with a rotten, green bogie cold. How does that happen?


chasing I know lots of peeps have given you plenty of reassurance about this but I wanted to add as well. I posted a week or so ago about yelling at P. she jumped and was really quiet. I cried and felt awful. I have found a short temper in me that I didn't know existed. I probably didn't exist. I find getting p to sleep for naps the most wearing, frustrating thing. It is particularly hard when you are exhausted and all you want to do is close your eyes yourself. Be kind to yourself because you are dealing with so much more than the normal frustrations of a tired mum. Don't be afraid to just pop him down and walk away.

A couple of weeks ago P slept really badly, I had had almost no sleep and I tried in desperation to settle her in with us. As soon as I did this she was <ping!>" day has started and how exciting that it has started in bed with you guys! " I rocked and shooshed and swayed but nothing. I was dead on my feet. All the while the cat was meowling and wanting attention. Eventually I slammed the door on the cat and dumped P on the bed and wailed to DH "I don't know what the fuck else to try!". P gave me the biggest smile and giggled. I let the cat back in and we all had cuddles on the bed before starting the day.

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Jun-13 20:24:29

Yes! With frootshoots in the babies' bottles and a beige buffet from Iceland and a plastic Asda photo cake and Lambrini for the laydeez and Special Brew for Luis grin

GTbaby Fri 07-Jun-13 20:30:59

((((Bry ))))

((Chacing)) I've gone it. H has done it too. Meh, no big deal. Maybe he was picking up on your stress? If your getting frustrated just walk out of the room for a few minutes with O in a safe place. If P is about, go to the loo for a break (and if he questions it say you were bursting- I use this strategy when mil has pissed me off n I'm about to cry/explode at her).

Fatima- if they can't get a new outfit, tell them you love the outfit, you had it in mind for a particular occasion. Then you go in with "I suppose I could give it to a seamstress to fix, can you do a partial refund to cover cost." Most places will say "ok, I can only do 10%, but that will make it non refundable" which is the standard rate. I've worked in retail all the way through my studies in lots of different stores and in 9.99/10 times it got the customer a discount.

Sry only skim read today so sry if I've missed anything big.

Went to a pottery painting session, spent most of the time listening to the group of mums with lil 10week olds going on about their social lives. You know the sort. Oh Pilates, oh swimming, oh I must make time for visitors, how can I make the car seat more stimulating. Pro and cons of a small ball pit (10week olds!). no I wasn't jealous of them hmm sigh.

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 20:33:21

Oh, the amount of bitch piss Lambrini I drank at uni grin

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 20:34:41

<books myself a ticket to the beige party>


Passmethecrisps Fri 07-Jun-13 20:45:47

Sometimes you just can't beat a bit of beige noms.

I also drank lambrini at uni. Once out of hair mousse caps. Lambrini shots. You don't get much classier than that.

Passmethecrisps Fri 07-Jun-13 20:47:32

Let it fade to grey GT. Each to their own.

And bry. Again, I have nothing of any value to add but I have been thinking of you today.

Pikz Fri 07-Jun-13 20:50:57

And an hour of screaming, Capol, nurofen, bonjela, teeth a powder and milk he is asleep. I fear another awake every 45m night again...

I want to come to the lambrini party...

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 20:50:58

You could buy a magnum of lambrini for a matter of pennies. Or, cherry lambrini. For them real classy nights what we did 'av.

I once got woken up by an empty magnum bottle falling of a shelf and smashing into a billion pieces on my bedroom floor. I temporarily thought I was going to die.

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 20:55:24

Lambrini, micro chips and a short skirt were all we needed for a good night. Uni was fucking ace.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 21:00:52

When we were shopping the other day, I saw some micro-chips, and nearly said to dh "oooh look" but he got in there first and said "what's the point in those?" He didn't go to uni. I'm not sure there is any other point to them. I kept shtum.

TheDetective Fri 07-Jun-13 21:04:21

I want beige. I wonder if that is a diet? You can eat any food so long as it is beige? I could live with that grin.

I have 9lbs to go til I am at my 'normal' weight. Then I get to go thinner again. I can't frickin' wait!!

Chasing Been there, done that, got the tshirt. I was hysterically screaming at DP how I couldn't do it any more. It was 3am. I'd had no sleep, and O wouldn't sleep. And my arms hurt. Hell, my whole body hurt. But O doesn't let on if he still remembers. smile You are only human. This is the hardest year. It really is. It gets so much easier and soon.

O had a lovely time in his paddling pool this afternoon. If any quiche babies are in need of practicing their sitting - O sat for 20 minutes in his pool while I blew bubbles in to the water and he popped them all. Was really good for his concentration, instead of him sitting, spotting something and flipping himself over in to his roll/360 spins. The child can sit. He just wants to move! He also practiced trying to crawl in the pool. hmm

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 21:04:56

Chasing you said when I leave and that is new smile it has always been 'if' before.

TheDetective Fri 07-Jun-13 21:06:23

I lived in microchips in my misery diet. I lost 4 stone. So I think there is a point, no?

Also. I don't drink. But if I did, there are only 2 drinks in the world I have liked. Malibu and coke. And cherry Lambrini blush.

TheDetective Fri 07-Jun-13 21:06:46

Um, I didn't live in them. That would have been interesting,,,!

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 21:07:23

I thought a micro chip was a computer thingy (old but did go to Uni twice 10 years apart)

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 21:07:49

pig grin They were the perfect food to line the stomach before a night of Lambrini and £1 vodka and Red Bulls hmm

Classy bird, me.

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 21:08:29

Hmm Malibu and coke. My drink of choice.

PurplePidjin Fri 07-Jun-13 21:12:53

GT just think of how ripped off they're being - wtf does a baby need Pilates or owt for, they're eminently relaxed and flexible already! Poor women, so gullible and insecure sad Library for rhyme time, park for fresh air, cafe for cake. Dp makes friends every time he takes R to Costa, there's always a little old lady (or gent, actually, think they regret the whole "women stay home" thing from days of yore?) ready to coo and fuss

Beige is a diet, look at Kerry Katona wink

MissMummy1 Fri 07-Jun-13 21:29:44

I obviously went to a classy uni. Wine box nights were the thing in my flat! I rarely drink now and only ever wine. I used to be able to drink an entire bottle of tequila though on a night out blush

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 21:32:19

I have just had to remove 2 bastarding ticks from the cat. I very nearly vommed. I was shaking by the end. The cat wasn't much better. At least I had the foresight to wrap him in a bath towel before hand so our skin is all intact.

MissMummy1 Fri 07-Jun-13 21:33:14

I feel a bit blush blush blush that I am probably one of the mums GT hates. M does rhyme time, swimming lessons, baby yoga (!) and baby sensory. She also has a ball pit and 'stimulating' car seat toys.... confused

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 21:33:47

I don't drink now, had my fill at uni. Plus I can't on my meds. Really wish I was at the engagement party tonight though. All my friends are there. Haven't heard from P so assume he's having a great time.

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 21:34:51

Pig as I was reading your post, the words foresight and skin merged...

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 21:35:14

grin that is ok MM. We still love you grin

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 21:36:53

Chasing very witty grin

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 21:40:03

Told ya VQ, classy bird grin

Evilwater Fri 07-Jun-13 21:41:18

gt I also have a ball pit, N does play groups run by the council, and i take him swimming.

P is still being a arse about nursery, angry he won't even pick N up when it shuts.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 21:42:39

No fucking way am I coming to a lambrini party. I'll come to a party if y'all chip in on the even cheaper and much better wine that I will bring from our local vineyards.

<smug emoticon>


pidj had it right. Constant shouting not good. The occasional stfu in a loud voice is a change. And remember, a change can be as good as a break. LO hates it when I growl. No, not going to demonstrate but I occasionally growl at the pets when I'm stuck to the sofa with one or t'other kid.

When I do that LO shudders , looks straight into my eyes and if I don'tsmile immediately cries. If I smile she laughs. It's the ONLY noise which will stop the fucking dog from jumping up next to us. So growling at him is the better of two evils.

If he stays down he plops his head on LO and she laughs raucously.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 21:45:19

Fucking ticks pig we live in an area that's full of the fuckers. I frontline the pets every TWO WEEKS and still, tick removal is part of my bedrime routine. I'm paranoid re the girls and double check them too.

I could rant about bastard ticks for days hours.

Passmethecrisps Fri 07-Jun-13 21:53:17

Ooooohhhhh noooooeeees! 7 wake ups already! Including full on screamy sobs. Just ran up stairs just now in response to crying to find her in the same position I left her in and still asleep. Eh?

TheDetective Fri 07-Jun-13 21:54:59

O screams like a banshee if I roar like a lion. Still. He hasn't got over that one still. grin

I may do this to him occasionally. Bad mummy.

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 21:56:18

Oh no pass! Teething?

TheDetective Fri 07-Jun-13 21:57:17

Pass - it is the cold. We are having the same with O.

We've wasted several feeds the last few nights, with him crying like a crazed thing, complaining he hasn't eaten for 6 weeks, then by the time the bottle is made (2 minutes!) he's gone back to sleep. confused

Kyzordz Fri 07-Jun-13 21:59:43


awful busy day here but nothing important so won't bore you with the details, e has been good considering how tired he has been! he ate a ready meal baby pot thing too, was out and about and took the stance that it was a one off and he would be getting milk anyway if he refused it.

chasing I've been there. put him down today for a minute in fact because he keeps pulling my hair and I had and still have an awful headache. sometimes it all gets a bit much but you didn't hurt him and he won't remember it

vq how is j today? has he enjoyed his solids?

bplp does sound like nutramigen is the way to go for f!

mm your dinner sounds gorgeous, might do similar tomorrow, I love chicken and pancetta. ive not eaten today and I have fuck all in for me, just stuff for eric. toss up between noodles and crisps I think. I will cook something nice tomorrows though cos I'll hopefully have more time

pass hope p is ok bless her

don't feel jealous gt, take pass's most wonderous advice so far and piss in their shoes sorry I keep bringing that up but it made me giggle

hugs pikz lots of hugs

detective you are doing so well with the weight loss, fab stuff! sounds like o had a great time, e doesn't have a paddling pool yet, I want to get one though

meh. meh meh meh. I do nothing groups wise. I am pretty wank as far as such things are concerned but if I worry about everything I'm bad at I would be here all day. I try my best which probably should be better and tbh find it hard enough fitting in feeding him, washing, cooking, cleaning and shopping at the minute.
my aim for the weekend is pureeing the bits I've got for ak recipes and making nuggets like pr suggested

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 22:03:16

That is normal with a cold pass. Have you done everything like elevate cot, humidifier, carvol wotsits or similar, and do you have thermometer, snot sucker, calpol, spare clothes and bedding to hand as you are likely to need some or all overnight. Fucking colds. Leave off solids too until she is better, just offer milk more often and in smaller amounts. Does she tend to puke with the mucus build-up? Poor wee thing <<glad I did not go on Monday or I would be blamed for this>>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 22:04:22

Detective if you youtube animal sounds song there is one that ends with the lion goes roar. It's cute. They get over it.

Have been thinking a lot today about the girl who was killed by a tiger in my local zoo in the Lakes. It was her funeral today. I don't know her, but I do know the zoo and have been going there as often as possible over the years. Whatever the press says about the owner, he is lovely. It is the only zoo I completely trust re the animals, and the staff for that matter. Every penny of the profit they make goes to the tiger charity he set up years ago. So if any of you go to the Lakes, go and support them. When I first went about 17 years ago it was a few goats, a snake and a tiger. The press is trying to destroy them now because of this accident. She wouldn't have wanted that. I'll be going at least once in the next couple of weeks. Just wanted to give them a shout out.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 22:06:40

Sorry, it's the lion roaring which reminded me blush

GTbaby Fri 07-Jun-13 22:07:33

Sry evil and MM. I was actually hiding my upset at them having social lives as I sat alone.
But was a lil shock at the mention of a baby class that cost £15. And had to pay for loads of sessions at once.
The area I was in is FULL of mums in their gangs. Im just pissed I don't have a gang hmm

On that note I found a non exclusive baby course locally- baby makaton ... Anyone know anything about it? It's a 6week course. So hoping a session starts soon. Might also go to baby massage again (although wondering if a good idea with SPD and sitting on floor) I have done it before when lo was 8weeks, But more for the going out factor.

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 22:10:15

Thanks Kyz. We have had a good day. Just had a rusk which he demolished. I am taking things super slow. Just letting him get used to things and following his lead. I think the acid is a lot worse after solids so will up the ranitidine tomorrow. Will give him broccoli tomorrow too as a change from rusk. And I hate the mess with rusks!

PR yes, very sad about the zoo and the poor young girl who died. I stopped reading the stories as they had a new theory each time.

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 22:13:09

Makaton would be ace to learn GT. my DH is learning it for his work, and DD2 is at nursery as she has a new play mate who uses it. My DH insists on using a mr tumble voice which kinda spoils it.

I used to drink gallons of strongbow at uni! No wonder I went from a size 6 to almost a size 12 grin

Thanks for the avocado, sippy cup and outfit advise.
The romper is an Oilily one, we're going for a meal for my Mums 60th so was planning on M wearing it then. I'll see what the shop woman says tomorrow, i'm driving past so i'll probably call in.

Went to PILs for tea. We took Ms with us (some veg finger food and hummus) but she wanted her to eat a pouch of puree, it was a massive pouch as well. Politely declined and let her tuck in to her courgette instead.

Also, got proved right with the Antilop purchasing. PILs have a big high chair that they'd bought for another relative, got it out for M, it's huge, takes up so much space and gets food stuck in the cracks. They've decided to send it to the charity shop and buy an antilop like us.

Oh on the sippy cup note, I tried M with it without the lid today and she drank water!!!

Evilwater Fri 07-Jun-13 22:19:05

GT there is lots of free stuff about, start at rhymetime at your local library, other mums might know of other free groups. Lots of places have a surgested donation.

I'm still pissed at P, he just won't help at all! Espally with N going to the nursery. He won't do any of the picking up or taking there. It's cause N "dosn't need social skills" angry what a Moran! Oh, he wants N to stay home all day, and not go any groups. Grr..... angry his mum dosn't feel confident to drive with N, which is fine. But why can't he move his butt?

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 22:19:17

Off to bed but just wanted to say to kyz, make sure you look after yourself and eat missy. I know from experience how much lack of food can affect a person. E needs you to look after yourself too. And stop beating yourself up, you are fucking awesome! Oh, and I go to no classes etc with O.

'Night all x

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 22:20:38

Evil your P has some extremely fucked up views. It must be hard, but keep following your instincts.

Passmethecrisps Fri 07-Jun-13 22:21:07

<licks pencil>

Thermometer - check
Cot elevated - check
Spare bedding and clothes - check
Snot sucker - check
Humidifier - cross
Calpol night light menthol smell thing - check
Snuffle babes smothered all over her including her feet - check
Mummy with the same thing - fucking check.

Ach well. It'll pass

Thanks for the advice VQ. P seemed to become poorly almost instantaneously and worse than she has been before. I have a bottle of water on standby for her if she is thirsty.
Poor wee sausage. She was coughing and sneezing and green snot dribbling in the bank earlier but she was still blethering and giggling.

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 22:21:43

Fatima perhaps she would be more suited to a doidy cup then.

I am getting increasingly fucked off with local FB selling page. Everybody bumping their shite (and it is shite) every 2 hours, and I waited in on two people collecting shoes and they did not turn up. Fuckers. I had a lovely day in the garden though.

I have a tepee in my garden. It is blue flowers and 5ft high and we have had a lot of glamping fun today.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 22:22:54

Yay fatima - go M!
Kyz I wouldn't worry about the lack of baby groups. You have such a big family and a busy life with all that, that I can't imagine you have time to wipe your arse sometimes! I go because otherwise I'd be on my tod for days on end.

Definitely not giving F pepti jnr again. Today we have had acid attacks, food refusal, eggy farts and to top it all, explosive green diarrhoea.

Ticks, and now diarrhoea. Could life get any more glamorous? grin I wouldn't change it though

ValiumQueen Fri 07-Jun-13 22:23:38

Pass, sorry forgot the chocolate and strong coffee for you hun x and pokey stick for DH.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 22:23:44

GT all I know of Makaton is from Mr Tumble, but DD1 already signs a few words from a few episodes. I think Luis and Bry will be able to advise more? It's very easy to learn. And as much as I whine about Mr T, I think it is a brilliant thing to know. And you're a teacher? Woukd come in handy maybe?

pass I will add to vq's advice.... Saline drops. Lie baby on his side, squirt up top nostril so the snot comes out the other. Repeat on the other side. Helps clean the nose and helps (but doesn't guarantee) nast cold related bugs from getting down to the lungs or up to the ears.

vq yes, lots of stories; mainly press speculation. Fact is, someone didn't close some doors. She didn't radio through that she was there. I hope that whoever is responsible, her or another keeper, is never blamed. Accidents happen. The important thing is it wasn't deliberate, and she didn't do it deliberately. The rest doesn't matter. It's just sad.

Evilwater Fri 07-Jun-13 22:26:18

chasing sometimes Ithink it would be alot easier if I had left him, that weekend. Oh well tomorrow is. Another day.


ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 22:27:27

Evil wine. I understand. I really do x

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 22:28:40

stabby stick, you mean vq grin

We don't have baby groups here. They don't exist. No massage, or sensory, or swimming, or m& t coffee groups. And I have no friends with young children in the area. I assume my two will get by when nursery starts in September...

Evilwater Fri 07-Jun-13 22:30:21

I know you do chasing wine and flowers
Nite all.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 22:30:43

Evil I remember That Weekend. No point in dwelling on the past. You have an exciting future ahead, with or without him. But you'll know what you need to do. And the force of the quiche will be right behind you.

Evilwater Fri 07-Jun-13 22:32:51

Thanks PR I think I'm in a low mood as I have to go back to work. Let's see what tomorrow brings.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 07-Jun-13 22:35:55

bry I have no wise words of advice but hugs. I can't pretend to know what you are going through but I do know that you are a fabulous mummy and will give R all the love and supports she needs.

chasing been there, done that, got the t-shirt (in fact probably a wardrobe full of them). Oh that sounds bad, I don't shout at E on a regular basis, in fact I don't think I have yet. But with DD1 well....what I am trying to say is babies/toddlers/children/teenagers etc etc are challenging in their own ways. You will shout, you will feel guilty, they will get over it. It's all part of parenthood. As other posters ahve said, as long as it isn't a regular occurance and nobody is hurt it will be fine.

Pass hope she is ok, bless.

Oh and I'm well up for your party chasing I've been known to drink wine out of a bottle with a straw blush so I too can join the classy bird gang.

wine for evil and chasing smile Evil your P sometimes seems like N is yours and yours only, or it's his way and his way only angry

Snotty (((hugs))) for Pass

FB selling groups piss me off VQ

GTbaby Fri 07-Jun-13 22:38:20

Thanks. Will have to check out mr tumble(???lol)

I've just texted the other mums from baby massage, From feb , asking if they want to get together. Lets see what happens.

Rhyme time is wed morning was planning on going but to far (spd) to walk and no where to park. However feeling more confident about walking that distance now. As I went out alone today, first time in 6weeks. Managed ok getting lo in/out of car seat and in to buggy. Just getting lo from car to in the house was painful, but worth getting out for!
It's normally a 15min walk to library, I think if I allow myself 30mins ill be ok.

I've got 3 weeks of mat leave left so want to do as much as poss now I can move more.

TheDetective Fri 07-Jun-13 22:39:36

Evil Do you think he is doing/saying these things to deliberately antagonise you? He is really going against the grain with his odd opinions. confused

Baby groups - can I moan? Ours are great - £1.50 a session - which is an hour. Baby sensory twice a week, and baby rhyme twice a week. And a cafe drop in thing too. We go to as many as we can manage. Price just went up to £2 as the childrens centre where they are held have raised the room rate. The people who do the group are 2 ladies who started their own business. And very good at it they are. The groups are busy, and really good.

So yesterday, they put up on their facebook page that they are now cancelling most of the groups. One is to be held at another site - which is beyond walking distance for me (I enjoyed talking O for a walk in the pram to them). Ok, so no biggie, we drive/bus. But most of the sessions are now cancelled as the room rates have gotten too high. I'm furious about it because a) the groups are very very good b) the 2 women work so hard, and are so passionate about what they do c) the babies are benefiting from the groups and d) the childrens centre offer nothing else at all.

So, I am going to get my whingy arse on the case and complain to the CC. And ask what they intend to offer for mums with young babies instead.

I'm going to buggy fit next week - they are running it straight after baby sensory (this one hasn't been cancelled thank fuck) so that will be good. I need to get fit!! Gently. Fanjo seems up to walking further distances at the moment. Crouching is Not Good though. So no squats n shit for me!

I have a whinge about my car seat as well. But think I'll be on whinge overload, so going to start another thread about that!!

And there are no baby swimming classes over the 6 week hols. Me and O are going to have one long fucking summer. I may have to investigate things further afield.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 22:40:07

I have been meaning to say this over the last few days. Even had a Thankful Thursday post in mind. Will not be following the next couple of weeks due to trip to the UK. Just wanted to say a HUGE thank you for the last few months.

Whatever the problem, be it PNT or child illness or a general rant about DH or at life, you've been there. There has been lots of talk about friendship. I have a few RL friends, dotted about the globe. I also have my family, who have been great the last few months by phone. But I count myself very lucky to have known you lot. I feel I can come and offload, and get great advice, and great recipes, whenever needed.

I didn't join a quiche for Dd1, and seeing march 2011 group have had a thread ongoing for months, am glad I didn't.

You guys rock.

As of tomorrow will be either manically packing or travelling.

But just wanted to send a shitload of flowers and wine and brew until I can check in more regularly again.

Night quiche x

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 22:43:15

Oh, and I will NEVER forget the kind messages I received the week over xmas new year which kept me sane, while DD1 and dh were in hospital.

May the quiche rock for many moons to come.

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 22:44:50


Luffs you PR

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 22:52:29

Dusty in here tonight or summat

<rubs eyes furiously>

TheDetective Fri 07-Jun-13 22:56:50

Fucking sawdust everywhere.

And onions.

Can peeps stop chopping the fecking onions please.

I can't see!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 07-Jun-13 23:01:25

Ah lovely pr you will be missed whilst on your travels but have a fabulous time and I can't wait to hear about your adventures x

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 23:06:06

Bunch of wusses !!! I'll be keeping an eye on you after the weekend. But won't have endless hours as much time to post. And just wanted to say thanks before that.

Any sniff of niceness towards rubbish DPS, or worries about not being good enough at what we all do best I'll pop back in to kick your asses.

Bryzoan Fri 07-Jun-13 23:06:31

Thanks all of you for your lovely words and support. I really, hugely appreciate every one of you. Things have been feeling much better today - r is back to just being my amazing crazy little darling.

Chasing - looking forward to the beige food party :-) also don't beat yourself up for shouting. I had to walk away for a while last week. It can really get to you.

Gt - baby makaton course sounds great. Is meant to be great for language development for all kids (as long as you speak alongside the signing). And great to use a system that is so widely used. I like babysensory bit it drives me mad that they have essentially made up their own language. Deeply unhelpful to kids who need to sign / have friends who sign later. On a related note... I am going in to r's nursery next week to do some makaton singing and stories... Eek! Still - how scary can a bunch of 2 yr olds be? don't answer that one.

I am so getting the paddling pool out this weekend. Think g will love it.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 07-Jun-13 23:07:24

And at least on holiday I won't be having my ass kicked on fucking wwf

GTbaby Fri 07-Jun-13 23:12:27

PR I know how you feel. wine I'm so grateful to have our quiche. I say things on here that I don't say to ppl in rl. Also constantly tell ppl in RL "oh I have a friend and they suggested this" referring to advice you have given each other .

Have a great time over here, enjoy all the lovely food and seeing friend and family and quiche members.

Bryzoan Fri 07-Jun-13 23:37:45

I too refer to quiche wisdom and witticisms as 'a friend says...'.

Have a brilliant trip pr. We'll miss you. I just hope no-one misses you enough to be nice to scroteful p's!

TheDetective Fri 07-Jun-13 23:43:06

People must think I have a huge plethora of friends grin. Clever and knowledgeable friends. grin grin grin

I've posted my car seat problem in AIBU if anyone has an opinion!

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 23:44:55

I can often be found starting sentences with 'I have a friend who...' referring to the quiche. During the friendship chat, a few people mentioned that everyone has their own idea of what a friend is. Well, you all meet my criteria and then some.

I got 30mins sleep before wake up #1. Oh well.

izzybizzybuzzybees Fri 07-Jun-13 23:53:04

Tonight is gonna be shite. Tonight is gonna be shite. Can u turn that into a song do you think?

BigPigLittlePig Fri 07-Jun-13 23:56:24

I'll write the chorus for you izzy

ChasingDaisy Fri 07-Jun-13 23:59:07

I'll play tambourine. I'm sure between the night crew we can get a good rendition going.

LuisGarcia Sat 08-Jun-13 00:01:46

Tonight is shite completely
You give your snot so sweetly
Tonight the light of the landing is in your eyes
But will you let me sleep tomorrow?

Is this a lasting virus
Or just a moment's waking?
Can I believe the magic of your selfsettling?
Or will you let me sleep tomorrow?

Tonight with words unspoken
You say that I'm the only one
With both knees that are broken
When the night meets the morning sun?

I'd like to know that your sleep
Is sleep I can be sure of
So tell me now, and I won't ask again
Will you let me sleep tomorrow?

So tell me now, and I won't ask again
Will you let me sleep tomorrow?
Will you let me sleep tomorrow?
Will you let me sleep tomorrow?

LuisGarcia Sat 08-Jun-13 00:03:04

to this tune, obviously http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbxxkwBQk_o

BigPigLittlePig Sat 08-Jun-13 00:04:06

<Applauds luis>

Nice work sir.

Pringles at the ready?

ChasingDaisy Sat 08-Jun-13 00:05:53

Take a bow Luis

PetiteRaleuse Sat 08-Jun-13 00:06:05

<applauds luis>

Unable to click on the link of course, because, as usual everyone else is asleep, and i don't want to make any noise.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 08-Jun-13 00:07:12

<adds s&v pringles to uk shopping list again, just in case I forget>

TheDetective Sat 08-Jun-13 00:07:30

I've got proper tears here. Reading posts from early december. Why do I do this to myself?!


Luis grin

TheDetective Sat 08-Jun-13 00:08:58

Add some nytol to your list PR! Oh, and cadburys new chocolate with jelly beans and popping candy is awesome - try it grin.

I am currently craving Munchies and Salt and Vinegar Discos. Together. Sounds odd. But so good. One crisp, one munchie, together, the perfect recipe!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 08-Jun-13 00:15:44

Sounds good. I'm going to buy several kg of the old fashioned midget gems. Where thevblack one is liquorice. Mmmmmmm.

I don't have links to old freds as freds i'm on disappears after a week. Mght search if I'm in need of nostalgia. After the holidays.

LuisGarcia Sat 08-Jun-13 00:18:21

Dinner was a success and fun to make, although my unadventurous customers didn't buy the concept of parsnip muffins so I made chocolate lava puddings instead.

No pringles in the house, so pickled onion monster munch are playing tonights supporting role.

ValiumQueen Sat 08-Jun-13 01:00:10

I was going to moan, but your song cheered me up no end Luis, as did your words on friendship chasing.

Well, I'm gonna fucking moan anyway. Woken by crying baby at 11.45. Baby very cold despite being 22 degrees in his room. Tried to settle with a cuddle, but soon became clear that was not happening. Went to get bottle and boy crying louder and louder. Get back to baby and cot covered in puke and baby hysterical. DH sleeping peacefully. Feed baby, need to change baby and cot. Take baby into DH and ask him to look after him while I get cot changed and clothes together. DH puts hand on baby's head and pats then snores again. Wake DH firmly.

I guess he will never change, but it would be nice to have a bit of consciousness at night from him when I need it. <<envious of the lovely mrsG>>

Anyhoo, wee boy seems to have settled, and DH is snoring so just looking out pointy fucking stick.

Does anyone else have a really cold baby? Today was hot, and when I was giving him a bottle outside I had to wrap him in a blanket. He had shorts and a T shirt on, and we were in the shade, but his legs were blue. And he has still been sleeping in a 2.5 tog bag with a cotton blanket over the top even though it has been 22 deg at night. I think tonight he woke due to being cold as I tried him in a 1 tog. As it is night and I am alone I am now worrying incase he has a heart condition that has been missed. Is that paranoia or possible?

itsnotyouitsMeals Sat 08-Jun-13 01:54:48

Oh vq. I am not knowledgeable about that sort of thing but just wanted to hand hold as you're up and night fears are horrible. Maybe he just feels the cold? I do. But if you are worried, ask your GP. I know you've not loved your GP but is there a more sympathetic one you could chat to?

Sorry this is rambling. I should go to sleep.

Lily311 Sat 08-Jun-13 03:24:55

Yes to cold baby. O just woke and I only needed to put a blanket on her. Now snoozing away. It's 22degrees in her room.

StuntNun Sat 08-Jun-13 03:43:51

Mornin'. J woke early for his 4 a.m. feed. hmm DH has annoyed me by staying up till 1 playing Xbox. Mr 'I had two nights sleeping in a hotel' better not tell me he's tired tomorrow. Can you tell that I'm jealous? I feel the cumulative sleep loss as a huge sack of rubble that I have to drag behind me everywhere I go. I wish he'd let me get a spare bed to sleep in but there's nowhere to go to get respite.

ChasingDaisy Sat 08-Jun-13 04:04:29

O woke 20mins ago but self settled just as I was about to go to him. Can't get back to sleep now as convinced he will wake any moment. Not sure if P is home yet.

Clarella Sat 08-Jun-13 04:33:28

right. I am now certain I need to tackle this and there's no physical issue. literally every hour and half and actually HE can't be arsed to feed. but its quickest way. first time ever started playing in night. he simply can't go vsck to sleep. I'm seeing evidence he can with a cuddle (bed side cot) but I actually woke him just now. angry naps and quiet estly bedtime helped a lot last 2 nights but Dh came home and cocked it up last night by making it too exciting. angry and I have a sleep issue too. - I don't appear to need it either. right now, on a couple of hours solid sleep I feel I could go for a run. so thyroid be tested next week and ncss to be implemented too and then make steps towards own room. I just wish he was a podgy baby but he's a slim Jim so I worry about not night feeding but 2 feeds would be an improvement. sorry rubbish at catching up.sad

Pikz Sat 08-Jun-13 06:42:21

Clarella and VQ I have no advice but lots of coffee and hugs brew

VQ I worry the other way that my baby is always boiling!

PR just grin I never thought an online community would save my sanity again and again. Safe travels and I wish I was at home up norf and I could come see you!

Luis lovely song and the food sounds ace. You have inspired me to get my books out and think up new food.

brew To all those with shit nights. We had two lots of crying which quickly went luckily and a 5.50am get up.

I have a new cousin born last night 7lb William l! Am very excited to meet him!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 08-Jun-13 07:03:19

I'm so sorry all. I have crashed and burned here and on wwf. There is so much happening at the mo with the move and work and a squillions kids.

I have skim read just today sounds like some of you have sick babies. I think it is a quiche bug. Last night O did not want his bedtime milk. So eventually I popped him down but he moaned and grumbled for a while, it exactly screaming just that moaning and the. You put a foot on the stair, or pop your head in and they are asleep confused

Anyway I got him up, put him on DHs knee so I could go and clear up the tea things and. VOM. shock he is never sick. Seems ok this morning. I am going to chuck my the batch of food I made yest and he had for tea though. Justin case.

clarella keep going, they do go in patterns and this could be this weeks theme. You are right to try for quiet time at bed and make sure he hasn't had any naps after about 5ish so he is tired to go down.

pr hope you packing goes well and your journey is...ummmm...quiet hmm I assume you are ferrying? We usually get a cabin with having a toddler and a baby, is a bit less stressful but I guess that tip is a bit late. Sorry. It on,y just occurred to me you had to cross a ody of water.

Hope all is ok this morning vq . Don't know about the cold thing though I suppose they don't move about as vigorously so are likely to be colder than us or a toddler.

stunt should mr stunt utter a word about tiredness send him to me.

Pikz Sat 08-Jun-13 07:10:44

I think me stunt should be a little scared of Sophia!

Evilwater Sat 08-Jun-13 07:35:13

Morning all,
Yes the quiche is wonderful, you are all wonderful.

I must have over reacted last night, he dosn't do it on purpose.


MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 08-Jun-13 07:45:39

I am also very grateful for the quiche. I tend to refer to it as an online post natal club, but I do think of all of you as friends and often find myself thinking "I need to tell the quiche about this". In fact, my recent decision to finally get myself a non - work phone was hugely motivated by the idea of having the quiche ever-present, and not needing to get to a computer!

Passmethecrisps Sat 08-Jun-13 08:02:26


Funny you should say about cold babies VQ as I was going to ask yesterday what people were putting their babies to sleep in. P's room has been getting to 24 oC and even with lots of airing out it has been staying at 23oC all night. Typically she doesn't seem to react to heat at all so I worry about overheating her. Last night she slept in a 1.5 tog bag and a long sleeved vest. According to the gro website she should have been in a 1 tog bag and a short sleeved vest. I am sure she would have been chilly dressed like that.

As for the worry about heart condition I am afraid I have no advice. Could he just be a wee chilly person - I know I am.

ValiumQueen Sat 08-Jun-13 08:06:21

Well as usual things seem a bit better in the morning. I am sure J is fine, just a cold baby. Good to hear there are others Lily and also hot ones too. Detective also has a hot one IIRC (sniggers)

Lovely post PR. part of the reason the quiche rocks is your presence, even before you were famous.

((((Clarella))) that is rotten. at least my boy seems to have a reason for his wakings. As Sophia says it may just be this weeks theme, or a developmental leap or something.

Pass how is the little catwalk queen today?

I will ask the GP about the blueness as he does have a blue tinge frequently. DH says I am imagining it, but I see more of him than he does. When in hospital his says would drop really low, and the machine would alarm, but they said the machine was wrong and that he was fine.

ValiumQueen Sat 08-Jun-13 08:08:52

Xpost Pass smile the HV said he was a cold baby when he was a few days old as he would not sleep anywhere but on me. The girls are hot hot hot though. I am sure I did bring the right baby home, honest.

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Jun-13 08:19:20

Clarella i refuse to do CIO (at all) or CC (yet) with R as he's barely 6 months but if he's really monkeying about in the night i put him down in the dark with Ewan on and dummy in and just sit holding his hand or with my hand on his back. If he cries (proper crying not just being a bit shouty) for more than 10 minutes, he gets a cuddle. If it's been nearly 3 hours i feed him. Happened twice and both times his sleep has improved the next night. But i don't leave him to cry, i just don't give him the attention he wants iyswim yes it kills me inside

For those wanting proper information on controlled crying methods, as opposed to Cry It Out and hysterical media articles, look up Ferberizing smile

I kept R's room really cool yesterday/last night (east facing) he went down easily at 7, woke at 1:40 for a proper feed then again at 3:30 but i think that was because he was cold as i popped him into his 1tog bag and shut the window and he was out in a 5 minute feed! Some progress at last at nearly 29 weeks smile one decent feed is fine. Multiple fussings just for shits and giggles make me <raaaaaaaah>

My mum is making the nursery curtains this weekend <excited>

Evilwater Sat 08-Jun-13 09:07:35

vq where is the blueness? In adults it can be serious, please get it checked out.


MissMummy1 Sat 08-Jun-13 09:19:00

Matilda is the complete opposite vq and has a tendancy to get far too hot.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 08-Jun-13 09:29:05

VQ F is still in vest, gro, 2.5 tog bag and a blanket. She wakes up cold in anything less. In winter she had cardi and another blanket. And in the day I always end up feeding her wrapped up in a fleecey blanket. Blue/cold peripheries is often a normal thing. Blue lips is a bit more concerning. It would be highly unlikely that he has a heart condition given how well he is growing, and his age now. But get him checked if you're worried.

Congratulations to cousinpikz

Pidj glad the wee dude is getting the message at last! Albeit a little late smile

PR good luck with packing, don't envy you at all. 3 days was bad enough!

Stunt dh got up at 7.30 (!) with the girls, even though I had been awake since 6.30, went to bed at 1 and had 2 feeds between those hours. If he moans about being tired, I will be digging out mouldy fish and slapping him firmly around the chops.

ValiumQueen Sat 08-Jun-13 09:40:34

I sometimes think he has a blue tinge around his mouth but his lips stay nice and red so I am sure he is fine, or at least my logical head says so. He rarely gets his legs out so either they are usually cosy warm or often go blue just unseen. Yesterday on the school run there was a bit of a breeze so I put a light blanket over him. The other babies were in mega skimpy outfits and being held. Direct sunlight, no hat etc. but I knew I was doing right for my baby. They are probably little hot things. When DD1 was born she was in just a vest for her first six weeks, even at night. We even had a fan in her room (summer 06)

StuntNun Sat 08-Jun-13 10:18:42

VQ my DS2 used to go blue in the swimming pool etc. and still goes a bit blue when he gets cold. The only thing I know of is Raynaud's phenomenon but afaik it isn't common in babies.

Passmethecrisps Sat 08-Jun-13 10:21:29

I was another one with a blanket on baby yesterday. Always a hat if in direct sunlight.

Last night was not as bad as it initially seemed. Screamathon at 10pm meant we ended up giving some nurofen. Then I panicked because I remembered you are supposed to give it on a full stomach - she finished her bottle just after 7pm. Anyway, it seemed to help because I woke at 1am and 4am and she hadn't moved a muscle each time. If she hadn't been breathing very loudly I would have been worried. No need for pointy stick as twice I woke to DH getting out of bed to deal with dummy return that I hadn't heard. She started shuffling at 5:30 and got up at 6:15.

She was pretty sorry for herself this morning - her dummy was genuinely a bit welded to her face wih snot. Back in bed for a good sleep (DH and I followed her example) and she now seems much happier.

Anyone got exciting plans for today?

Passmethecrisps Sat 08-Jun-13 10:22:59

Oh and p gets tartan skin when cold. When she was in the hospital the docs kept asking if she was always that colour but didn't pursue it.

TheDetective Sat 08-Jun-13 10:37:01

No exciting plans here! I'm trying to think of one though!!

Where to go... What to do. No idea!

fruitpastilles Sat 08-Jun-13 10:56:05

We haven't got any plans today either, might just get the paddling pool out this afternoon. Dp is off playing golf today so it's just me and S.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 08-Jun-13 11:03:51

Glad P is ok pass

No exciting plans here for today. Having a lazy morning and then taking DD1 to her swimming lesson. DH playing golf (he also played yesterday and is playing tomorrow too!). I'm looking forward to tomorrow as taking DD1 to a baby disco thing at the south bank. E is coming too so she will probably at least enjoy the music and noise. Going to take them to giraffe for lunch first. Then I'm going out in the evening to watch the great gatsby so roll on tomorrow!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 08-Jun-13 12:06:46

Isn't the lie round the mouth wind?

fruitpastilles Sat 08-Jun-13 14:08:15

Quiet on here this afternoon, hope all you lovely ladies are out enjoying the sunshine, S is just eating playing with her lunch and then we will be off to sit in the garden.

How long does it take for ranitidine to start to work usually? It could just be me but it seems S has been more sick with it than less, not that I thought it possible for her to be more sick.

izzybizzybuzzybees Sat 08-Jun-13 14:37:44

Hello. *fruits *as far as I know ranitidine doesn't help sickness as it's really just an antacid? To help sore throats and reduce the acidity in stomach. I could be wrong though. It seems most babies with sicky reflux require a thickener to their milk too?

We gad some success with reducing feeding overnight. He only fed at 9.15pm, 12.30am then 4 and 7. He didn't sleep too well in between tho but progress us progress!

We gave another friends 30th tonight so my sis is taking both kids overnight! Yay!

fruitpastilles Sat 08-Jun-13 14:43:02

Oh really, izzy I wonder why she was prescribed that then? She does already have a thicker milk, the anti reflux and regurgitation formula. Poor baby, I was really hoping this would have been sorted with the ranitidine. Back to the docs in 2 weeks and they will refer her if no better so hopefully it will get sorted soon.

Yay for no kids for the night!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 08-Jun-13 15:09:33

I have just read my last post. I mean, isn't blue round the mouth, wind.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 08-Jun-13 15:14:13

Also hope the quiche ladies and luis are enjoying the sunshine. We have been in the garden all day, DS is asleep on my chest, DD curled up asleep on my lap, tennis on. Perfect.

StuntNun Sat 08-Jun-13 15:29:07

Yep Fruit, as Izzy says ranitidine reduces the production of stomach acid, it won't do anything to stop vomiting.

fruitpastilles Sat 08-Jun-13 15:41:59

Back to square 1 then it looks like. I did tell the doctor she wasn't in any pain and it was purely vomiting.

ValiumQueen Sat 08-Jun-13 15:46:03

Jacob pukes more with the ranitidine but it works for the pain.

Sophia that would make sense as he is the king of wind.

Just sold a playhouse for the garden for £15 more than I paid for it 6 years ago. Not bad VQ. Not bad at all. The girls will not go in it because of the spiders even when I have cleaned it out. Wusses the pair of them.

Clarella Sat 08-Jun-13 15:54:12

thanks pidj and other ops (sorry so tired can't read easily)

am going to try ncss ideas and dp is giving me a break for a bit tonight. plus we're trying a bit of formula if he's hungry with dp. my sister is baby sitting for a wedding next wknd and I can't see me pumping enough this week as he takes it all so I feel he needs to be introduced to it. though I feel unable to go to anything let alone 10 hrs at a wedding sad

operation nap is helping his mood though. shame it's not in cot yet but I'll start that next week.

Clarella Sat 08-Jun-13 15:56:22

some of this is my fault when I worried about his kidneys. I just fed as much as possible when ever plus he was being so fussy in the day. sad

izzybizzybuzzybees Sat 08-Jun-13 16:26:47

clarella nothing is your fault. You cannot make a BF baby eat if not hungry so he must have wanted it.

Clarella Sat 08-Jun-13 16:54:10

you're right izzy smile . just having a downer as all nct babies sleeping so well.

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Jun-13 17:03:55

Are they sleeping well, or are the mums gritting their teeth about how bad it really is? Society's a bastard for pressuring us over what we should be expecting of our children, forgetting that they're all little individuals with wildly different needs and personalities. I hate this homogenisation of children and babies, as if we're all robots rolling off a production line angry

<whistles Bertha theme tune and wonders if anyone else is old enough to remember>

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 08-Jun-13 18:04:13

waves I remember Bertha.....

Bertha lovely Bertha...

(Goes back to feeding E)

BigPigLittlePig Sat 08-Jun-13 18:36:48

I LOVED Bertha!

Today I look like this blush and it's not because I'm embarrassed.

Here's a lesson for all you ladies. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT, wipe factor 50 smeary hands clean on your skin. Fetching tan lines it does not achieve hmm

Blotchy burny bits aside, a nice day here - and the reflux is finally fecking off. Went and sat in the park with a friend who's getting married in a few weeks time, all very exciting to hear about the wedding gossip. Had hoped to cook a nice risotto and light the fire pit, and sit in the garden with dh and a glass of wine. But the ILs are here soooo....guess that's for another night.

Clarella you must not blame yourself. Some babies are just shit at sleeping. The quiche seems to have amassed a few of these babies. It will get better.

ChasingDaisy Sat 08-Jun-13 18:48:10

Evening all

Hope you have all had good days.

I ended up awake from 3:30 this morning - not O's fault - he woke at 11.30 and 4.30 - I just couldn't sleep. Managed an hour nap earlier so feel a bit more human now and I have been given tonight off.

We seem to be making slow progress with weaning. A few spoonfuls of porridge and apple puree for breakfast, smushed avocado and carrot and broccoli sticks for dinner. Making AK's lentils tomorrow in an attempt to introduce protein.

Had an Aww moment with O today. Got onto the bus with him screaming as he was overtired. Took him out of his pram and he stood on my lap examining all the different parts of the bus before falling asleep in my arms. Doesnt sound like much but was a proper Mummy-Son moment. Makes it all worthwhile.

Settling myself on the sofa now with chocolate ready for the BGT final.

ChasingDaisy Sat 08-Jun-13 18:49:01

Bertha? I'm a young 'un grin

Lily311 Sat 08-Jun-13 18:49:22

clarella i always tell everyone that o sleeps 7-7 even if she doesn't. I am just not interested how their babies do, what advice they can give me to help her to sleep, blablabla ;-).

Lily311 Sat 08-Jun-13 18:50:37

Is it the final already? How are the Hungarians doing? Are they in? (The shadow theatre)

BigPigLittlePig Sat 08-Jun-13 18:51:58

Bertha was a machine who could make all sorts.


BigPigLittlePig Sat 08-Jun-13 18:53:56

Although if you want to see the actual machine then here it is.

Idiot mummy pig.

fruitpastilles Sat 08-Jun-13 19:03:23

The people on it look the same as in postman pat!

chasing I watched the call centre today, wish mine was like that haha! You are right though, it did make me miss work a tiny bit.

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Jun-13 19:19:15

Last autumn we swapped our vw camper for my dad's Punto. The van is still in their garden, so today inicked the thermo mats and stuck them to R's bedroom windows. Voila, cool dark(er) room. Fingers crossed vvvdp gets less of an early start tomorrow!

ChasingDaisy Sat 08-Jun-13 19:19:47

Yep Lily it is the final and I think the Hungarian shadow dancers are the favourites to win. Their last routine had me in years as it was about a mother/son relationship. Sob.

Fruit it doesn't seem particularly representative of call centres that I know grin Was fun though and made me miss the buzz of being at work.

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Jun-13 19:21:56

There were quite a few like that - PP, Bertha, Windy Miller. It's a 70s/80s thing i think, like the manga style they use today smile

ChasingDaisy Sat 08-Jun-13 19:22:07

Is it by the same people who did Postman Pat? Bertha that is, not the call centre.

ChasingDaisy Sat 08-Jun-13 19:24:27

According to wiki it was produced by the same people who made Postman Pat and Charlie Chalk.

I loved Poddington Peas. Ooh YouTube.

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Jun-13 19:26:09

I introduced dn to bananaman sil hates me grin

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Jun-13 19:27:47

Gummy bears... Bouncing here and there and everywhere...

Rainbow Brite, anyone?

MissMummy1 Sat 08-Jun-13 19:29:16

<feels incredibly young and clueless>

We have spent the day at my hometowns gala. I have spent all day keeping m out of the sun and protected but I am burnt to a crisp!

ChasingDaisy Sat 08-Jun-13 19:30:46

Funny Bones! Round the Twist.

fruitpastilles Sat 08-Jun-13 19:37:44

I had a rainbow brite quilt cover set, I remember that but I don't actually remember watching it. Yes to funny bones and round the twist, and I now have the poddington peas song in my head!
Does anyone remember green claus, everyone I've ever asked thinks I'm going mad and making shows up lol.

fruitpastilles Sat 08-Jun-13 19:39:28

Oh, it's all one word and spelt greenclaws, just googled it to make sure I wasn't making it up ha.

fruitpastilles Sat 08-Jun-13 19:47:10

I've got Britain's got talent on record so I can fast forward the adverts bullshit dinner has been ordered, dp has been in from golf for 10 mins, long enough to tell me what he wanted ordered and is now snoring his head off on the settee. Great.

YellowWellies Sat 08-Jun-13 19:59:42

Waves! isn't the weather divine!!!????

Today we had 2 ton of topsoil delivered. J thought the delivery truck and crane about the most fascinating thing ever. My sister had stayed over for wine last night so waking up to his auntie made him v happy smile Then we had a big family BBQ round at my cousins with paddling pool, trampolines, ball pool and 3 toddlers and Jonas - was crackers but great.

And best of all my puree avoiding boy with sore teeth - loves eating puree off my fingers - just not off spoons (even TT fancy duper soft ones). Pass / chasing anyone worrying about puree avoiders try popping some on your finger. He ate a potful that way. And his first taste of white fish (poached and flaked and fed as finger food) was the first savoury food that's made him go 'mmmmmm om nom' grin.

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Jun-13 20:06:53

Rentaghost grin

ValiumQueen Sat 08-Jun-13 20:08:49

I have fed J with my finger today too YW. By accident, but it worked, with him holding the spoon smile He also spread a banana incredibly thinly over his entire body, and had toast at lunch. He enjoyed the toast so much he cried when I took it away. I had to sit on my hands or he would be raw from wiping. His little face is all bleeding anyway as he scratched his eczema sad

Have someone coming to look at the PnT tomorrow, all the way from Glasgow so they must be fairly keen.

ValiumQueen Sat 08-Jun-13 20:09:48

Rent-a-ghost was shockingly bad.

Andy Pandy? (Old)

PennieLane Sat 08-Jun-13 20:15:51

Excellent song luis!

I too had a cold baby today. I think I forget that if one is in the shade all day, it probably is quite cold! Sleeps in a 2.5 tog still and long sleeved gro. No vest though. We're in a caravan tonight and I'm wondering if I should have!

I'm v jealous of everyone managing cinema/dinner etc. I've had one night out. LO feeds to sleep at 8 and 11 (not hungry though). How do I stop it? What is roughly NCSS? How do those that FF get their babies to sleep? I'm completely stumped.

MissMummy1 Sat 08-Jun-13 20:21:53

Since switching to ff at 5 months pennie M gets a dummy as a last resort to settle all those things I said I would never do . She used to bf to sleep so I think for her she needs the suckling comfort. Usually her thumb is enough.

TheDetective Sat 08-Jun-13 20:32:21

Today, I finally think I got the hang of this baby thing. I am now properly enjoying it. This is a nice age. When they don't need feeding/changing every 2 minutes, and are fascinated by what is going on around them. Definitely more fun now!

We ended up going to Southport - to the pool and the fair. Just me DS1 and O! Had a lovely time! Took O on the teacups grin. I felt sick after though blush but O seemed fine!

I'm just watching him from the corner of my eye, he's doing press ups and grunting and groaning about it, while simultaneously rocking violently back and forth in his crawling attempts. Funny boy!

O also went from 9am til 5.30pm with no feed today. He had a full bottle and his breakfast this morning, and then just didn't want anything all day. I was going to offer him one at 4 but the bugger fell asleep on the way to a cafe and may as well have told me to piss off when I tried waking him! hmm

PurplePidjin Sat 08-Jun-13 20:32:56


Larry the Lamb

MsJupiterJones Sat 08-Jun-13 20:56:27

Oh gosh I am so far behind. So hard to keep up now I am back at work.

Hope everyone is doing well smile

Bryzoan Sat 08-Jun-13 21:06:43

Ah vq. I also have a dh that is near impossible to stir at night. Do you know he actually had the nerve the other day to say to g in front of r that boys need lots of sleep! I explained very firmly that everyone does. I have to make sure that if I need him to wake I wake him firmly. Then he is ok if sometimes a little grumpy.

Stunt - sounds really tough. How you are managing, with exams and trumpets thrown in to the mix too, I have no idea. Could you get a night away? (have a sinking feeling the answer to that is probably no).

Clarella - definitely don't blame yourself. It is really hard - especially when also worrying about weight gain. If it helps, when r was around 6 months our paediatrician was adamant she should be going 5 hrs between feeds as her longest sleep even though we were having a tough time with her weight and blood sugars. He suggested building to that gradually, offering water if needed.

Hope everyone enjoyed the sunshine today - g loved the paddling pool grin.

Kyzordz Sat 08-Jun-13 21:28:56

god I'm back on page 9 still!

vq I reckon going slow is good for j and it sounds like he likes his rusk and does well with them! hope he gets on well with his broccoli

chasing don't worry about me I do make sure I eat tea at least smile

lol bplp unfortunately shitting must be done as quick as humanly possible and usually once everyone has gone to bed! e seems fairly sociable atm so I try not to worry

hope you have a lovely holiday pr will miss you!!!

vq e is a hot baby rather than a cold one but my niece at 11 months is as you describe j and is alright with no underlying conditions we know of. if you are worried though do go to your gp

congrats on the arrival of your cousin pikz william is a lovely name

hope its just a development thing clarella and you get some sleep soon, bless you

glad you've had some success with night feeds izzy hope tonight is a good one too

sounds like really good weaning progress chasing o is doing brilliantly as are you. I have yet to try avocado, but I did buy one! I really need to cook the lovely lentils thing. The chicken nuggets were adored but I left them in too long blush so I'll try again

sounds like a lovely day yw

e has been pissy again today but ate well and could have been worse.

I also tell people he eats and sleeps fine as it saves hassle. I hate sundays as my sister visits with her nearly one year old that is of course amazing don't get me wrong I love her to bits a perfect sleeper, has always eaten everything given to her and hit every milestone 3 months prematurely. I am frequently told my son is fussy, clingy, miserable, sleeps too much (I kid you not) drinks too much, is slow at developing and is weaning really awfully. I always feel like shit on a sunday afternoon!

can't remember what else I meant to say

ValiumQueen Sat 08-Jun-13 21:34:19

No Pikz today unless I blinked and missed it. Hope you are ok my dear x

I am in bed and hope to sleep. DH is drinking cider and watching TV. Sometimes I wish I could swap with him, but no actually, I love the vomit and nappies and night time wakings and bottles and snot, because all of that is time spent with my babies that he does not have. I am blessed with a tosser for a husband

Had a proper family day today even with DH being at work this afternoon. I coped, the kids were entertained, largely happy, fed, clean enough, and loved. DD2 ate her first mud, DD1 learned she needs to take her pants off when she wears a swimming costume (she did not go in the pool last year due to my broken leg so forgot) and J was outside watching them running around from his DJ booth. I kept him wrapped up today and he is back in his 2.5 Gro Bag tonight. And I wore a pair of cotton trousers I did not think I would fit in. Sadly my button popped off after tea. Oops.

ValiumQueen Sat 08-Jun-13 21:40:19

Forgot the fucking broccoli! Oh well.

Sadly when people ask how J sleeps and eats I tell the truth. Must be the strict Baptist upbringing as I expect a bolt of lightening to strike me down. I often say 'if he slept well do you really think I would look this shit?'

daisychain76 Sat 08-Jun-13 21:46:52

Clarella what you‘re going through with sleep sounds like H a couple of weeks ago. l found ncss really helpednd last week he managed a 5 hour stretch, which is unheard of for him! Hope you get more rest soon.

I am old. l remember The Flumps and Chorlton and thr Wheelies. Dh bought Ivor the Engine for the dcs recently.

Been stressed all week as realised phd funding runs out in 7 months and l am approx. 18 months behind with my work. Going to take dcs for a picnic tomorrow and try and take my mind off things.

TheDetective Sat 08-Jun-13 21:48:37

I tell the truth too. I think I should lie, but you know when you drop the juggling balls - at least you have an excuse if you tell the truth?!

VQ Yes, I have a hot one grin. He hates being warm in the day, but likes to be boiled at night. Quite odd. He's in a 1 tog sleeping bag and a short sleeve vest, and despite opening blinds and window, his room didn't change from 26 degrees. He should be naked! But he won't have that!

I think babies are meant to be cooler. I know I find it odd that he is so hot. And people look at me like I am evil for having my baby so under dressed! I think it might be easier if he was the opposite.

Catbag Sat 08-Jun-13 21:51:25

Now then quiche smile

By way of an update on the twins, S is crawling (has been for about a week or so) and absolutely nothing is safe. Particularly laptops, phones, tablets etc. He gets really excited, puffs a lot, crawls to said item of technology and then turns around to check if he's being watched, before batting it with an open-hand slap and grinning like a naughty chimp. Pretty awesome. R is sitting like a master (for perhaps a month now) and is rock solid. Completely immoveable. She hates being on her front and is showing no interest in crawling at all. I think she is soo fat that it is uncomfortable lying on her front. Thing she will do as DD2 and bumshuffle for a week or so before moving swiftly to cruising around furniture.

Re food, having read some of what the other miniquichsters are eating, I was starting to get a bit worried that I had a pair of hippos on my hands. They have been eating three meals a day for about six weeks. I ditched the ice cube trays at about the same time as I was having to thaw out nine (big) cubes EACH for each meal and it was getting silly. I freeze their stuff in old 500g butter pots now. The AK lovely lentils go down well, as does a spinach and lentil dhal that I made for them. They are slowly moving towards just eating what we eat now. They love scrambled eggs and the AK pasta shells with homemade quorn bolgnese sauce. They eat three weetabix with half a pint of goats' milk for breakfast, usually with 1-2 slices of marmite on toast directly afterwards. Lunch is invariably either cheese on toast, scrambled eggs on toast, something like that, and they will have 4 slices at least between them. Dinner is usually an adapted version of what we are having and will again be similarly large. They are very hungry babies and absolutely do not subscribe to the 'food is fun until 1' philosophy. It's a very serious matter in this house and I would be lynched if I dared to not serve up enough grub. They also munch on breadsticks and hummus, fruit etc in between meals. Phew. That felt confessional. Never had such hungry nippers before. They are still breastfeeding too, 4-5 times in the day, 1-3 times at night. S moves around too much to put much weight on, but R does not and she is well porky grin

Anyway, having got that off my chest, I shall go catch up smile

BigPigLittlePig Sat 08-Jun-13 21:54:42

Catbag shock Wow!!

Catbag Sat 08-Jun-13 22:00:05

BP It sounds a little ridiculous, doesn't it!

Kyzordz Sat 08-Jun-13 22:04:55

Wow catbag they're eating for all the quichelets bless them!!

I do tell the truth sometimes blush to understanding peeps

Catbag Sat 08-Jun-13 22:05:08

VQ my two are hot babies too. Been in nothing more than a vest at bedtime for weeks. I also tell the truth when people ask how they sleep, along the lines of what you say. They ALWAYS look surprised and tell me that I look very fresh, considering. This never fails to make me feel irrationally angry, for a reason that cannot as yet identify grin

StuntNun Sat 08-Jun-13 22:08:15

My brother bought Mr Benn for DS1 and DS2. They love it. DS2 got Dangermouse for Christmas. Aah memories!

Catbag Sat 08-Jun-13 22:08:18

Yea, kyz, sounds like it, doesn't it?! Honestly, I just don't know where they put it. Well, I know where R puts it. She is like well porky grin But S pretty much keeps up mouthful for mouthful and he is like a racing snake.

Catbag Sat 08-Jun-13 22:09:24

Dangermouse! LOVED that. With Penfold, was it? Am I remembering that correctly?

TheDetective Sat 08-Jun-13 22:16:16

O would be eating what your babies eat Cat if I allowed him to! I haven't yet - but just because I am trying to go slowly. He'd be quite happy with 3 meals a day plus something after each one. But at the moment, we are doing breakfast, and tea with a pudding after tea (just fruit so far). I wasn't going to do a pudding, but he seems to want 2 portions of tea, and I thought it was a bit boring and succumbed to giving him fruit for after since he loves it so much!

I'm not looking forward to adding lunch. He's so messy as it is! I dread feeding him if we are out! Plus he is often asleep over lunch. So it would end up being too close to his tea? Gaaah. Feck knows!

Might just do little taster of things for lunch for now rather than a proper meal. I gave him some little tiny pieces of chicken yesterday and he managed those! Might do something like that! Save the mess for later!

BigPigLittlePig Sat 08-Jun-13 22:20:40

Just as I think we're getting somewhere with F and food, she has a reflux attack, eats nothing for 2 days, and then we're back at square 1. It's so frustrating! I have a freezerful of purees though so ready and raring to go once her poor tummy is better.

Pikz Sat 08-Jun-13 22:22:04

<waves at VQ>

Long day in London but I didn't get to stone roses because of teething meltdowns and screaming sad

Catbag how old are they now? L has been having 3 meals a day for a while too and doesn't eat as much as that but he comes close. He is quite lean just ridiculously tall.

Am sick of everyone exclaiming when I say he's only 6 months... Yes his father is huge!!!!!

I don't lie either about sleeping etc call a spade a spade.

MissMummy1 Sat 08-Jun-13 22:24:48

I think I have developed a dairy allergy sad

Sick feeling flares up after eating food with dairy in it. Twigged this morning when I didnt feel sick after breakfast (had toast instead of muesli) - a first in weeks.

Fuck fuck fuck.

Kyzordz Sat 08-Jun-13 22:33:29

pikz I have the same problem, eric is a big lad but his daddy is big so there you have it. Sleepwise I guess I don't lie because he sleeps well, but I do say he eats well when people ask even though sometimes he doesn't seem to. He has 3 meals but still lots of formula. I am in the process of ditching this df though. Down to 6oz with 5 scoops tonight!

I bet mealtimes are a pleasure catbag I'd love that amount of enthusiasm all the while smile

detective I have trouble fitting it all in too :/

No idea what is a good amount of solids tbh but e is doing ok I think

StuntNun Sat 08-Jun-13 22:38:07

Yep Catbag, Penfold would say Cripes Chief. I was in a band called Penfold in my pre-mummy life still not nearly as cool as VQ though.

ChasingDaisy Sat 08-Jun-13 22:38:21

O is eating teeny tiny amounts of food. The only reason I know that he has actually eaten some is that his poo has changed hmm

Me and P are small and O has always had a small appetite so I guess it is to be expected. I'm just getting very stressed by it all. By everything actually. Should sleep.

Bryzoan Sat 08-Jun-13 22:40:05

Clarella - having said r's paed was trying to get us to aim at 5hrs... G mostly doesn't do that and like you I tend to just feed him still because it is easier.

Just read how much the catbaglets are eating.... Whoa! I'd be really happy if R would eat that much and she's nearly 3! They must be tardis babies! I am offering g 3 meals a day but he is eating much less. He definitely prefers finger food but is happy to smear anything anywhere.

Dh has just started watching a film. If he says he is tired tomorrow I will be very irritated indeed.

Catbag Sat 08-Jun-13 22:45:36

Oh BP, she'll get there in the end. It must be pretty stressful though sad

Pikz They will be 7 months next week. Their birthday suddenly seems really close!

det yea, these two get pretty messy. Have followed vq's example and have started keeping a flannel around for the end of mealtimes. Was going through a ridiculous baby wipes for a while there!

mm poor you sad Is it common for one to just spontaneously develop an allergy like that? Does M have a dairy allergy? Forgive me, I can't remember sad

kyz Mostly it's a pleasure. They have literally loved every last thing that they have tried, they haven't turned their nose up at anything. The flipside of that is if their meal is half an hour later than they are expecting then I get a full-on double melt down!

daisychain76 Sat 08-Jun-13 22:48:40

Oh no mm. That happened to a friend of mine in RL (tho drs could never understand why, esp as it was her 2nd pregnancy)

Belated congrats on your 2.1 catbag (that is how behind l am with reading). My experience in law is employees look for a 2.1 then they are far more interested in life experience and transferable skills than a first.

Catbag Sat 08-Jun-13 22:48:52

<respect to rockstar stunt!>

bry tardis babies grin Stealing that! Honestly, sometimes it feels like they eat more than I do hmm

Catbag Sat 08-Jun-13 22:54:23

Lol, thanks daisy. It isn't confirmed yet- I don't get the results until mid-July. I just know that dissertation wasn't up to first standard. DH worked out that with my averages, I only needed 46% on the dissertation to get a 2:1. I am working on the assumption that, although not fab, my dissertation was not lower than 46% and therefore I am the slightly disgruntled owner of a 2:1. At least, I hope it wasn't! shock <suddenly gets the fear>

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 08-Jun-13 22:56:07

daisy My DH has the flumps on DVD. Put one on the other day and god it was awul. I had such fond memories of it too...

I loved camberwick green and Trumpton as a kid. Really showing my age now! My DSIS is 9 yrs yonger so we had gummy bears (I used to watch this every sat am with her before my parents got up, still know the theme tune off by heart!) pidgeon street, button moon, Bertha and postman pat were the faves.

pikz Sorry you didn't make it to stone roses sad

cat Wow. E had 30ml one pot chicken ppuree tonight and an Ellas kitchen mago fromage frais. I thought that was bloody loads! Took forever for her to eat it too.

Rather annoyingly we missed DD1's swimming lesson. That was the only thing we had planned and didn't bloody make it. The police had blocked off a road and it would have taken too long to go to go another way (more to the point I didn't know another way) so I drove around for ages trying to figure out something else to do. In the end we went to a nice country park and ate ice cream in the sun. Then DH did us a BBQ when we got back so sat in the garden and ate that. A nice end to a frustrating afternoon.

TheDetective Sat 08-Jun-13 22:56:48

I have 2 flannels cat grin messy bloody food!!

Need more coverall bibs. I don't wash enough! hmm

My washing machine hates me. The dog loves me. Weaning - how to entertain your pets and send your household goods insane.

Must empty the filter now I mention it...

Glam I am not.

YellowWellies Sat 08-Jun-13 22:59:31

Wah MM check your bread is it milk free. Sounds like an intolerance rather than dairy allergy though unless it's affecting your breathing? Shout if you would like to borrow any freaky eaters recipe books. Not fun at all. I hope I don't get a reaction when I reintroduce dairy in November..... have decided to BF til my birthday when J will be 13 months - so I can give up and eat a Mars bar the day after my birthday sad

daisychain76 Sat 08-Jun-13 23:04:51

Eliza l loved Pigeon Street. Just remembered Willo the Wisp too (sp?!). I made the dcs watch that on YouTube. Also, very very minor claim to fame. l was on Wacaday once saying l liked spaghetti vos it looks like worms!

Catbag the wait is stressful, but l bet you‘ll be fine

Catbag Sat 08-Jun-13 23:06:17

YW Do you have a plan for dropping the bf gradually? In my (extensive, ha ha!) bf experience, the little ones always seem less keen on giving up the breast than one would hope! My eldest took four months to convince that he didn't need to be bf anymore. I had planned to go to 10 months. He was 14 months by the time he finishec and was trying to get into my top frantically, mournfully saying 'boob'. The girls weren't quite as bad, but I was quite a bit stricter with them as I didn't want to go through that 4 month period again!

Catbag Sat 08-Jun-13 23:09:02

Omg, I have just worked out that I have spent 4.3 years of my life breastfeeding explains the spaniels' ears

TheDetective Sat 08-Jun-13 23:09:19

Hate it when stuff like that cocks your day up Eliza. Took us double the time to get to where we were going today due to traffic. There is only one road to Southport! Ended up having less time than I would have liked in the pool. Given what I paid for it anyway...!

Also, should have mentioned earlier! DS1 had the locker key on his wrist for me today - as it was fiddly and I couldn't get it on my own wrist, and DS1 was flailing around trying to put it on mine. So I just put it on him as it was easier. Except it came off on one of the rides. I should have known it - they were crappy and I thought it seemed a bit weak to be honest. It was 20 minutes before closing, so DS approached a lifeguard when he got off the ride. He told him to go and find someone in the changing room to sort it.

So off DS1 trundles, and finds no one. So I get out with O, and can't find anyone either. I spoke to the lifeguard again, who said did I need it right now - well, I needed it pretty soon as we were ready to get out soon. He said he would sort it if I gave him 5 minutes.

20 minutes later, closing time came and we were chucked out. I stood there for another 5 minutes dripping wet with O in the changing room and still no one came. There was literally no staff around.

In desperation O was crying, of course! I ended up stomping down a slippery floor from the changing rooms right up to the fucking reception in my costume, with a screaming baby and demanded someone sort it out there and then. How fucking embarrassing blush. I can't believe I had to walk out in to the reception - complete with glass windows for the world to see soggy me in my costume. Nearly fell over several times too as obviously wet - and the floor was some kind of tile.

Was sorted quickly then. But still. I was cross!

Stupid locker key!

Still, didn't detract from a nice day. If you can ignore the man who followed me in to the same changing cubical and started stripping him and his 6 year old off confused among the dirty nappies and the wkd bottles all over the floor. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a fucking communal changing room and him and his child would have been fine in a regular cubical - where as I needed somewhere to put O while I dried and dressed myself! And I was there first!!

YellowWellies Sun 09-Jun-13 00:15:32

No clue on how we're going to quit actually Catbag tips would be greatly appreciated. Its been so lovely I'd like to end our nursing relationship well. I've just been thinking about the chocolate the day after blush

StuntNun Sun 09-Jun-13 04:26:44

Where's the night shift tonight? I skipped the df as J was late to bed (DH had him out for nine and a half hours so I was frantic by the time e got home) and he didn't wake for a feed until 4ish so that's 7 hours! He tried to tell me he was hungry at midnight but got through with a couple of dummy reinsertions. DH stayed up till 1 watching telly angry but I suppose he has three hotel nights to catch up on his sleep next week.

Bryzoan Sun 09-Jun-13 04:46:34

Hiya stunt. Here but sleepy. 7 hrs!!! Go J. Did you get some sleep too? Handing you the quiche fish to slap mr stunt with. If he's not careful I should think he's looking at more than 3 night's in that hotel...

I went down and told dh to go to bed in the end - he has to work most of tomorrow and if he spent the rest of it being tiered I would not be happy. G has been a pickle tonight. Think it might be earache.

Thechick Sun 09-Jun-13 06:15:16

My goodness catbag you put my 8 month old to shame. We are still on 2 meals with bf and nowhere near the quantity of your little ones. H just seems to get bored after eating for a certain while and I don't push the issue. Have tried to do 3 but because of naps and going to groups and stuff it always ends up at 2.

I always tell the truth about eating and sleeping. It is what it is, all babies are different!

GTbaby Sun 09-Jun-13 06:20:43

Wow. Very quite night. Hope that means good things.

I can't believe I'm awake! The house is silent. Why am I awake? Sleep darn it!!!

Of to catch up on WWF

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 09-Jun-13 06:53:35

Tired. I know you nocturnal s will think "bah. She doesn't know what she is talking about" but every day he wakes at 5-5:30. I then have to go to work on three of those days. Yesterday I was in a fashion show at church. Ahem. But it was hard work, I was there most of yesterday, taking the big girls with me and coming home in between to feed everyone. Then today he is up at 5. And nw every other bugger is up. Except DH. I woudn't mind but he does 1 day and I do 6. And go to work. And cook, clean, wash and iron.

I love my life, it is fulfilled but today I AM TIRED. sad

I don't normally complain.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 09-Jun-13 07:32:36

A ha. The shower. And a ray of sunshine.

pikz I just by accident saw a bit of the last thread. Are you ok? I Am not far from you i don't think, I could come and give you hand on Friday.

Alternatively would you like to meet up at Camberly Marks or the Atrium for a coffee. I have the whole day free so am flexible.

Evilwater Sun 09-Jun-13 08:11:22

Hello all,
n has been a joy! He still is not eating loads, but seems happy. p has gone off on a 4x4 day, so I'm alone with n.

So the question is, what shall I do?

Thechick Sun 09-Jun-13 09:12:54

Evil what's your week normally like?? If you are out and about all week have a day of just playing with your little one and his toys, do lots of singing and reading books. If your weeks are full of playing and one on one with your little one, go on a long walk to a park and then come home, or both of the above (or neither). We are off to a christening today. I bought a nursing dress from mamas and papas and I need to practice bf in it. I don't really get the hang of nursing clothes. Not sure if its me.

Kyzordz Sun 09-Jun-13 09:35:47

Morning all! Looks like miserable weather here, so god knows what we'll get up to. Maybe I will get the lovely lentils done. Bloody hope so!

sophia you rarely complain so I think you're quite alright to just a wee bit. Such early starts must be draining!

evil e seems to be eating less the past couple of days but I try not to worry about it, I'm sure they have peaks and troughs anyway where they eat tonnes and then not so much for a few days. If n is only just starting eating bits again it makes sense his appetite needs to build up.

last night went well,he took 5 1/2 of his 6 offered and slept like a log. Might take it to 5 offered tonight depending on how he drinks today . He's taken his daily milk intake to 32-36oz and its more towards 32 but I think that's still plenty when he's offered solids 3 times a day? He is always offered a good amount and is given more if he eats up so he doesn't seem to be going hungry. Surely he would wake in the night again?

Evilwater Sun 09-Jun-13 10:15:12

thechick our week is usally busy seeing people, but this week we have been over my mums alot, as my friends have been busy this week. It will be nice to stay home for today.

Thanks kyz.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 09-Jun-13 11:53:56

Thanks ky not feeling so complaint now. Jut tired. Was going to do risotto for tea ut I don't know if I can stand up that long so will be off o purchase steak and jacket potatoes later!

Passmethecrisps Sun 09-Jun-13 12:28:40

<slides into thread on trail of snot>

<collapses in corner>


Thechick Sun 09-Jun-13 12:52:19

Dh just made a realisation. We take photos every week and today is week 35 and he was 8 months last Friday. He was born at 34 weeks. He's officially been out longer than he's been in!

Kyzordz Sun 09-Jun-13 13:53:18

Aw pass its like that then?

I'm hiding, sister is here and I already want to cry. Eric didn't want his lunch, it was jacket potato and he's no good with potato it's just what I had so thought I'd try it, and I never force food on him but get all the comments on how well my niece eats and how fussy eric is and basically once again feel inadequate at raising and especially weaning my baby. He deserves better.

sophia I think I moan for about half a dozen people so I have the moaning covered :D

Evilwater Sun 09-Jun-13 13:56:08

Can't fucking believe it!
I turn my back for less than 30 seconds and N is sick everywhere! And I mean everywhere! And it was loads. I've never seen a baby contain so much, and just after I've fed him too.

sad sad sad

BigPigLittlePig Sun 09-Jun-13 14:10:42

Good job it's sunny today - total fuckball of a night here. She went to bed fine, fed at 11 and back down with no complaints. Up at 1 screaming like she'd been starved for days, so a good feed and back to sleep quite quickly. Then at 2.45 an ominous chatty screechy sound, total failure to self settle and rapid escalation to mass hysteria. I offered her water, which she politely declined spat out all over me. Anyway, 45 minutes of rocking later she was still screeching crossly. DH had slept through all of this so I kicked him and made him get calpol. F eventually fell asleep at 4.30 and lasted until 8.15 shock. I am trying to see it as a positive that she managed 7 hours between feeds. Just need to work on the sleeping bit now.

Kyz E is doing fine, ignore the sneaky underhand comments and keep on enjoying your weaning journey with him.

Catbag lol at spaniels ears - please tell us how to avoid the 4 months of stopping feeding. I have 3 weeks to stop daytime feeds <eep>

Piglet is back on feeding form. Apple porridge at breakfast, sweet veg medley, melon, banana and strawberries followed by a bf shock

StuntNun Sun 09-Jun-13 14:15:37

Sounds horrendous BigPig, any chance of a catch up nap today?

I feel your pain Evil, J has had the odd Exorcist moment like that as well.

It's not your fault Kyz, some babies take to food better than others. And how he eats now has no bearing at all on whether he'll be a fussy eater as a child or an adult. Please don't compare him to his cousins, it's not fair on him and it's not fair on them when he's streaks ahead at something else.

TheDetective Sun 09-Jun-13 14:21:29

I will not be letting O go so long in the day again without a milk feed. Bugger had me DP grin up at 2.50 and 6.50 for feeds.


He's on a regime today grin. I was going to squeeze in lunch today as we are home. Except he had a meltdown for a nap. So the egg I was cooking for him has gone to waste in my dustbin mouth.

One day, he will manage 3 meals, huh?!

Kyz your sister is being an unsupportive bitch. Sorry blush. But she is. How would she like it if you critisized her baby at every move. Honestly. hmm I have no advice to give though - no siblings here. I dunno how to deal with inner family stuff like that!

Hope everyone is having a nice day. Having a quiet day in here. Might get the pool out when O wakes from his nap. Then again, I possibly can't be arsed doing much at all today...!

Evilwater Sun 09-Jun-13 14:22:52

stunt it was on pear, how on earth do you get sick on pear?
I've given him some milk, and now he's a bit tired. Poor boy, sad


ChasingDaisy Sun 09-Jun-13 15:02:44

Afternoon all,

Sorry I didn't post last night, P looked after O and I slept on the sofa. O managed to do 7.30-1.30-5.30-7.30 Not sure why he can't sleep that well for me envy

Today has been quite productive, finished reading the weaning book that Stunt leant me and will be back in the post tomorrow smile Feel a bit more inspired now and currently have the AK lovely lentils simmering on the hob. Whether he will eat it or not is another matter. Kyz let me know if you manage to make it and E and O can refuse to eat it try it together grin You are doing fantastically well with E, remember the progress you have made and potato is hard for babies to eat. My weaning journey is going far from smoothly but that is nobody's fault. I think O finds sitting and eating far too boring now that he can roll around like a lunatic.

<sends pass virtual care package of tissues, lemsip and chocolate>

I did a lot of soul searching last night and I think I am one step closer to making the break. My reasons for staying are silly and what PR said a while ago is finally hitting home - I can't breathe easily and that isn't normal.

Safe journey by the way PR smile

StuntNun Sun 09-Jun-13 15:15:24

Glad to hear you're getting closer to leaving Chasing. I'm sure you would rather leave on your own timescale when you're prepared than wait until you have to go in a hurry because something's happened or you just can't take any more. You have had a number of very genuine offers for help on here, I hope you can take advantage of the advice and friendships offered to make the transition as easy as possible. (((Hugs))) I know it's an awful position you're in, keep plugging away with your plans and make sure P doesn't get wind of them.

MissMummy1 Sun 09-Jun-13 15:31:00

Get better soon team crisps thanks

Boo to vomming evil

And kyz I am shocked and appalled by how unsupportive your sis is being. Shame on her, you are doing a grand job!

I have set myself some personal goals this year. My business is great but by no means is it a way of supporting myself and M if we go it alone in the future. So by Christmas I want to be back in full time employment. If that does not happen, then I will apply in January to do my post grad when I decide what I want to do it in hmm

Oh and WE HAVE A TOOTH!!! That was not there first thing this morning! grin will she stop bloody whinging now?

ChasingDaisy Sun 09-Jun-13 16:04:00

It happened again. I'm phoning my dad.

TheDetective Sun 09-Jun-13 16:05:12

Chasing I will PM/facebook you my number. If you need to get you and O away, I will book you a train ticket here. Get away from him now.

Lily311 Sun 09-Jun-13 16:06:28

You ok chasing???

TheDetective Sun 09-Jun-13 16:07:14

Facebooked you.

Lily311 Sun 09-Jun-13 16:07:15

Same here. If you have passport than fly here with O. I get you a ticket ASAP.

ChasingDaisy Sun 09-Jun-13 16:14:02

I'm ok, he is just about to go out and then I am ringing my dad.

ChasingDaisy Sun 09-Jun-13 16:18:51

Posting on fb now as safer.

Evilwater Sun 09-Jun-13 16:20:42

Thinking of you and O.

Pikz Sun 09-Jun-13 16:43:06

Chasing big hugs and help here if you need it

Get well team crisps!

Kyz you are doing an ace job

Errrr wracking brains... MM good luck job hunting

Cat I have spaniels ears after 3 months!!!

Sophia thank you... Things are a lot better now as he is sleeping and far more cheerful and my tooth and car are fixed. However if you are ever in the mood for a coffee we are often about. I completely get you on the 5am thing... It's really hard yet you feel bad for those with night waking a but 14 hours of baby entertaining is hard work!

PurplePidjin Sun 09-Jun-13 18:59:57

Every two hours again last night, but i know he can do better and will do eventually. I also have a 5 o'clock baby, but dp does that bit then brings him up for breakfast feed/nap. He has new curtains tonight though, my mum got some bargainous Liberty fabric and made them. So the nursery now looks like a child's room not a spare room containing a cot!

Got some very cute little fake leather soft soled shoes in Asda to protect his toes when he crawls, he's nearly there and dp and i were both early for it <eek>

ChasingDaisy Sun 09-Jun-13 19:01:36

Anyone for a Lambrini and beige food party?

TheDetective Sun 09-Jun-13 19:03:35

If it's cherry, I'm there!

ChasingDaisy Sun 09-Jun-13 19:13:43

I hate the cherry stuff but I'll get a bottle in for you!

Ok, feeling surprisingly good. Literally feels like a weight has been lifted. My main concern is how O will settle in a new home. Any advice/tips etc?

Lily311 Sun 09-Jun-13 19:35:17

chasing as long as you are with him, he will be fine. O settled at my parents' and now in our home just fine because I was there to settle her.

PurplePidjin Sun 09-Jun-13 19:38:26
Passmethecrisps Sun 09-Jun-13 19:39:50


chasing I am there! Nothing would make me happier than DH and I getting to toast you and O's liberty with some lambrini!

Been quiet today. Does that mean that everyone has been in the sunshine?

Thank you for the well wishes for snotty p and me. We are getting there. Worst snot attack thus far.

I had about 50,0000000 things to say but my brain is mushy pea soup.

What did you do with your day evil? I was thinking you should have made a bunch of your own food and canned it in empty cow & gate jars.

Evilwater Sun 09-Jun-13 19:40:36

When I went to my mums for the weekend N was better behaved and slept better. You will be fine.


ChasingDaisy Sun 09-Jun-13 19:40:46

Ooh perfect finger food for BLW grin

PurplePidjin Sun 09-Jun-13 19:40:57

R was fine stuck with me at MILs at Christmas and we were opposite to you - desperately wanting dp to come back. Stay strong and calm for him, and make sure you schedule in regular breaks where you can fall apart - my usual one is in the bath.

Evilwater Sun 09-Jun-13 19:46:04

Today pass I have cleaned all upstairs, including scrubbing the bathroom, changeing the sheets and done the all washing. I've also looked after N all on my own today, gone over my parents and had Sunday lunch and put him to bed all on my own.

Well done chasing grin

YellowWellies Sun 09-Jun-13 19:49:48

Chasing well done darling.

Pass get well soon. What's ailing thee?

MM are you thinking teaching? What's brought about the change in tack? Well done on the tooth.... I hope we get one soon the wee man is like a bear with a sore head (pun intended). He's snotty, clingy (unputdownable) and rejecting spoons / trying to gnaw anything hard (the remote controls if at all possible).

Quiche power lion-O call (remember thunder cats?) so I was making baby bolognaise AK stylee after adding Italian herbs I realised the fecking Schwartz blend has salt in it. One teaspoon in a saucepan full of lovingly crafted sauce before I realised my mistake. I have to chuck it don't I? Or would it be OK for him?

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 09-Jun-13 19:58:21

Oh pidj what a spread! After months and months of low gi and healthy sensible food I CRAVE BEIGE FOOD grin

WE TOO HAVE TOOTH!!!! Horrahhhhhh will the 5:00 wakings be gone.

Proabably not.

So I am off for a hot bath and bed.

TheDetective Sun 09-Jun-13 19:59:41

Babies can have salt - just not added. I think it would be okay... I would probably still give it. I let O have a wee chomp of a slimming world chip tonight - given they are just potato and frylight. I remembered as he was sucking away, I put salt in the pan used to boil them in.

Babies under 12 months can have less than 1g a day. Do you think it was less than 1g per portion? I'd hazard a guess it probably was.

I think it should be okay.

Lily311 Sun 09-Jun-13 20:01:50

It will be ok YW. Even bread has salt in it, don't worry too much.

ChasingDaisy Sun 09-Jun-13 20:02:19

YW I was about to say the same as Detective. Up to 1g of salt per day is fine. I would guess that it will be fine. Apparently a slice of bread has 0.5g

Passmethecrisps Sun 09-Jun-13 20:03:16

yw I would dilute like a mofo. I remember thunder cats. We used to play that at primary school - I used to be cheetara. Obvs.

P and I have a bastard cold. Proper green snot, aching everything, sore ears blah blah blah. P is being much more stoic than me.

DH took her out for a while this morning while I slept a bit. I came downstairs to find them in the kitchen preparing some delicious brekkie. DH announced "I fed her! I gave her a rice cake. I managed to give it to her then take it off her again before it got too messy!" It was a good start.

BigPigLittlePig Sun 09-Jun-13 20:18:00

Ha! Pass that sounds like the sort of thing dh would do. Not sure how many calories can be gleaned from licking a food object? But a start as you say.

YW I would give it - if you were worried, could you make a separate non-salty batch of tomato sauce to mix with it?

YellowWellies Sun 09-Jun-13 20:19:42

I had a girl crush on Cheetara she was all kinds of awesome when I was six. Though my feminist older self thinks WTF was she the only sexualised thong up her ass thundercat? Double fecking standards.

Thanks for the fab advice I'll add more tomatoes and water. I know they can have some salt just with his bagel and bread stick habit I was worrying it might be too much....

Catbag Sun 09-Jun-13 20:33:49

YW I remember reading a tip years ago about how to get rid of salt from something you've made, if you had overdone it- apparently putting a peeled potato in with it while heating it up helps. Potatoes suck up salt from their surrounding liquid (think about salting water that you boil potatoes in and how it makes them taste better), then just fish it out and chuck it. Migt be less drastic than having to make up a tonne more sauce and diluting?

MissMummy1 Sun 09-Jun-13 20:44:59

Was going to mention the potato trick but catbag beat me to it grin

No real reason oth3r than the sudden realisation that I have become so fucking financially dependant on him. I have broken my own rules on that front sad Something education related but with more sociable hours than ft primary teaching preferably.

Tooth bothered m has been very shouty all week.

Passmethecrisps Sun 09-Jun-13 20:54:54

That is genius catbag! Great idea.

Did cheetara also have leg warmers?

DH was very proud of his weaning achievement.
P looked happy as a happy thing so hay ho

Kyzordz Sun 09-Jun-13 20:55:44

shitting hell chasing hope you're ok. the below post was written before i got to your post....

Thanks guys, detective I know, she's an absolute pain in the arse and knows just how to word things to make it seem like she's being nice when she's being a patronising bitch. I actually thought me and e were both doing quite well these days. no he doesn't hoover up every drop of food but so what if he was that way? I can't force him to eat, well, you probably can but I certainly don't want to. It's just that she has this amazing ability to make me question everything I do and I feel like im cocking everything up. stunt I certainly know what you mean, I always expected babies to just, eat. far from it I've realised!

chasing I have made it, when is o trying it? hope it goes down well! really glad you're closer to leaving, honestly think it's the best thing for you and o

well done on the tooth mm yaaaaay!! good idea to set goals smile hope you get to where you want to be

I think it would be ok yw

pass bless your dh for feeding p a rice cake! e just smooshes them and sucks them to death

YellowWellies Sun 09-Jun-13 21:00:58

MM and Cat you two ladies get my ingenious / Martha Stewart homemaker prize. I had never heard of that trick! Mindst I had a misspent youth wink

MM you can only be financially dependent on your partner if you totally trust them and they don't do it begrudgingly. I find it hard but DH is amazing. My ex was a nightmare when for a brief period I was financially dependent on him (when we went to South Africa to adopt his daughter after her mum died) he missed all of our regular direct debits because he was too chaotic to cover them and by me being linked financially to him, fucked my credit rating for years. Oh and his promise to make sure I had enough cash in my account to cover my student loans for just two months - nah never managed it. Tosser.

LuisGarcia Sun 09-Jun-13 21:01:25

The potato thing is a kitchen myth, sorry. Diluting it with more sauce is the only way to actually reduce the salt content. But it should be fine anyway.

Can we join the freedom party?

RaquelGarcia Sun 09-Jun-13 21:03:56

Mr G is concerned that, should I join the quiche, we will become one of those couples who only communicate with each other over the internet.

And on that note - dinner's ready!

LuisGarcia Sun 09-Jun-13 21:04:46


Pikz Sun 09-Jun-13 21:11:24

Yay it's the Team G!!

Kyzordz Sun 09-Jun-13 21:13:25


ValiumQueen Sun 09-Jun-13 21:17:56

Have failed to catch up, but wanted to check in just in case anyone missed me. Happy and tiddled (me, not J)

Pikz Sun 09-Jun-13 21:19:52

Tiddley queen smile

Passmethecrisps Sun 09-Jun-13 21:28:09

Lol @ tiddley queen!

DH often sends me messages from the loo gracias. I cannot see that this is worse.

Watching dexter. Is awesome.

Passmethecrisps Sun 09-Jun-13 21:30:16

Aw kyz! I know what you mean about thinking that feeding babies should be easy. Pre-weaning I thought you offered a spoon to a baby, baby opens mouth, spoon gets stuffed in and contents scooped off. Over and over again.


Passmethecrisps Sun 09-Jun-13 21:31:52

Aaaaaand! mm can dairy intolerances not be temporary ? Due to illness? No idea actually but I think I might of heard that.

horseylady Sun 09-Jun-13 21:33:48

Failed to catch up as usual

What I have read!!!

kyz ignore her. I'm known for tipping the food on the tray when he refuses is. He just plays with it. He currently does not like porridge. Which is odd? Thursday he ate a massive bowl. Anyway. I just go with it!! I'm not sure when you're feeding him BUT I have started giving ds is food before his 11.30 bottle and he are the food (plus pudding) and has dropped the bottle. I've started to do the sane thing at 6.30 but currently doing finger food, then bottle. Anyway, that's working for us currently

yw dilute it out. Though I'd guess ok.

pass get well soon.

Yay for teeth. No sign of any here. Maybe he'll be forever gummy?! Who knows. Lots of chatting though!!

horseylady Sun 09-Jun-13 21:35:09

pass you are correct. Usually an imbalance if friendly gut bacteria. Try some of those shots?! Not vodka but the friendly bacteria ones!

Passmethecrisps Sun 09-Jun-13 21:38:39

Love the idea of friendly bacteria.

"Oh hi!"
"Hia! Love your flagella"
"You too, babes!"

And so on

BigPigLittlePig Sun 09-Jun-13 21:44:24

Love the geeky science humour! That's one good reason to go back to work, so I can snigger at medical jokes grin

Passmethecrisps Sun 09-Jun-13 21:51:54


<do bacteria have flagella?>

ChasingDaisy Sun 09-Jun-13 21:57:34

If I have learned (learnt?!) one thing this week, it is that rice cakes are messy fuckers.

Pass grin

Hi Garcia's!

MM if I was financially independent I would have left long ago. Make it happen.

Just been thinking over all of the practicalities, mail redirection, tax credits etc. Am planning to get all of O's stuff together tomorrow so all the important stuff is sorted.

I really need to thank you all. If it wasn't for the quiche then I wouldn't be leaving. Simple as that. The first thing that I did when it happened was tell you. That says it all about how much I depend on you. Expect much moaning from me about living with my dad though, so sorry in advance. I will be back in my hometown though which is ace.

Must sleep now. 'Night quiche x

Passmethecrisps Sun 09-Jun-13 22:04:25

<throws snotty self on chasing and gives her a big cuddle>

<casually ignores snot blob now in *chasing's hair>

<flings a fuck load of sleepy dust at her though>

YellowWellies Sun 09-Jun-13 22:10:39

OMG watch The Returned on C4 - amazeballs! shock shock shock shock shock shock

horseylady Sun 09-Jun-13 22:15:51

I'd expect so.

And mitochondria and goigi!!!!

MissMummy1 Sun 09-Jun-13 22:32:23

I hope it is temporary pass. I am indulging in wine (white zinfandel, yummers) tonight instead of chocolate. I rarely drink so this feels like a proper treat smile

I have read yet another smarmy fb status from mil slabbering on about another lovely day with her lovely grandchildren. I am fed up of them forgetting M is their grandchild too angry angry angry although secretly glad visits are thus minimal

LOL at team G!!

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 09-Jun-13 23:00:39

Have had a lovely day which partially makes up for yesterdays farce of one. Had a great time at the southbank and DD1 really enjoyed the disco. E seemed to love it too. I loved having a boogie with my 2 girls smile Thanks goodness it was only 45 mins long, I was knackered by the end of it. Just back from watching the great gatsby. I really enjoyed it. I love a bit of Leo swoon

Forgot all I was going to say so will summerise: Yay for tooths appearing, tiddley mums and happy babies.

Night all.

GTbaby Mon 10-Jun-13 00:17:02

Had a great day. And a shit evening.

Dh went out while his friends wife came over. She is due in aug. so lovely. And she had all the same worries as I has with lo. Was nice helping her, and telling her little things that helped me.

H came bk and winewinewinewine
And is now asleep on sofa. After him dropping his dinner in kitchen. Me cleaning it up. Him falling in living room. I've had enough. Don't know how to tackle him n his problem.

PurplePidjin Mon 10-Jun-13 01:15:23

Every 2 hours. Ravenous, like he's never been fed. Wtf?!

GT he needs to know what he stands to lose if he doesn't stop. Walk away, albeit temporarily. Ut he has to choose not to drink, andto get help. Try Al Anon?

Bryzoan Mon 10-Jun-13 03:56:46

Poor old pidj.

Gt - hugs. Really, really tough one. Could you stay at your mums for a few days to start getting your message across?

Chasing - good on your dad. Facebook won't work on my phone so will catch up with you there tomorrow but meanwhile wanted to let you know I am so sorry it happened again, and hope you are ok. But i am so happy you are out of there it is untrue, and am doing a little dance for you and o. Well done brave mummy. Hope you get some sleep - big hugs. You've made the quiche proud.

Dixiebell Mon 10-Jun-13 06:50:58

Hi all, been in France for a week, so no chance of catching up. But did want to wish chasing best of luck for this week, and let you know I'm thinking of you.

We had a lovely hols with a load of my family, so lots of under-5s to keep the boys entertained. Teddy was v popular with his cousins and got lots of cuddles. We stayed on a campsite next to the beach, pool with slides etc so was great. And fab weather of course. Was worried about how Ted would sleep in the caravan, but we actually got two nights of 8.30-6.30 shock. Was amazed, as he'd been a regular 4-hour waker. Don't know whether it was the food (he's eating 3 meals now), fresh air and activities, or relatively late nights. But have given up dream feed and he managed 7-3-5.30 last night. I'm with sophia though, could do without starting the day at 5/5.30.

Ferry crossing on way over was great, loads of entertainment for kids, but way back was really choppy and ds1, DH and I all threw up sad. Never experienced seasickness before, and was not pleased to do so for 6 hours whilst trying to bf and entertain a 6-month old and a 2-year old. Urgh. Glad it was the way home only or we'd have been dreading the return journey all week. Boys were really good in the car though, 4 hours each way. Made me more confident about doing long journeys in daytime, not just under cover of night as we normally do!

Done something to my neck, think it was from sleeping on uncomfortable caravan bed. But pain still there in one side after 4 days. How long do I leave it before seeing a doc?? Gonna dose up on paracetamol today as back to routine of messy play playgroup with the boys, which requires quite a bit of parental input!

ChasingDaisy Mon 10-Jun-13 07:18:02

Quiet on the quiche last night, hope sleep was had by all.

Pidj growth spurt?

Does anyone know anything about tax credits? I get CTC based on mine and XP's income. Obviously that will now just be based on my income, but will it be affected by me living with my dad? Will they take his income into account or will I just be seen as a lodger? I will phone them of course but want to get an idea of where I stand first. XP has agreed to a reasonable maintenance payment, in line with the CSA calculator.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 10-Jun-13 07:51:35

chasing am on my phone so can't link, but am pretty sure hmrc have an online calculator that will give you an idea.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 10-Jun-13 07:57:51

Chasing it makes me smile to see you refer to the nobhead as XP. Well done you. Are CTC based on household income? Might be worth phoning Citizens Advice too, as they will be able to advise about a number of things.

Dixie sounds as though you had a wonderful time (if you ignore the seaasickness bit)

Pidj how was the rest of the night?

Didn't do dream feed last night too lazy but she woke at 11.30 and 4.30 for feeds. She remained resident in her own room until 6.30 when a poonami awoke her.

Is anyone elses LO fascinated by labels? F will turn a toy/muslin over and over until she finds the label, then sits there picking at it for ages. Have also seen evidence of some backwards crawling this morning confused

PurplePidjin Mon 10-Jun-13 08:06:31

Iirc tc only ask about you/your p onthe form

He went down at 6:15. Woke at 8:30, 10:45, 1 and 4:30. Chattered to himself till 4:45. Down at 5, awake 5:05. Played till 5:40 then dp got him up. I feel like hell.

PurplePidjin Mon 10-Jun-13 08:07:33

If it's a growth spurt it's lasted 6 weeks so far.

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 10-Jun-13 08:46:01

Quick catch up....

bplp DD1 is 3 and still fiddles with the labels on her clothes. It's her comfort thing.

chasing good on you x

dixie welcome back

E is really constipated. Not been properly for 3 days. She keeps straining. What can I give her to help?

ChasingDaisy Mon 10-Jun-13 09:01:41

Pidj a really big growth spurt? grin

pig yes to labels, of course. it is his favourite thing after the remote control. And my phone.

Dad coming over later to take some of my stuff to his. Spent the morning packing and arranging mail redirection.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 10-Jun-13 09:29:52

Yes! What is it with babies turning their backs on their bright shiny toys and going straight for the phone (dribble proof) and other electrical goods? Caught F gnawing the laptop cable this morning confused

Chasing really glad you've made a start packing, and told your dad. It makes it more real, I'm sure. Glad your dad's there to help you out xx

Eliza a bit of brown sugar in water worked magic here. A little too much magic!

On the subject of poo... pig household is succumbing one by one to a tummy bug - hoping F doesn't get it sad

Evilwater Mon 10-Jun-13 09:31:15

Just booked N in for his nursey, when I'm back at work. Waaaa......sad


fruitpastilles Mon 10-Jun-13 09:37:54

There is a massive label on the side of one of sineads playmats, it's her favourite thing on the mat haha! She's a fan of remotes and phones and iPads too!

Yay for packing chasing, glad you have started sorting things out, you actually seem very positive about it as well which is good.

S has started climbing out of her playnest, what would be the next thing to get? As in something similar to that but bigger?
She had cake yesterday hmm my auntie gave her some without me noticing (not maliciously as in knowing I wouldn't have wanted her to have it) oh well I suppose one tiny little bit won't hurt.

fruitpastilles Mon 10-Jun-13 09:40:11

evil n will love nursery. As much as I'm glad I'm not going back to work, I do feel bad about S not going to nursery, I really believe it helps them a lot, as in learning social skills, and I think their development comes on in leaps and bounds.
Luckily I have a big family with lots of babies close to S in age, so she won't miss out too much.

Evilwater Mon 10-Jun-13 09:53:56

Thanks fruit.
chasing keep going, your amazing. It's so nice to hear that your finally going.
big N has taken to looking for cables, at the moment the word no dosn't seem to mean anything.


ChasingDaisy Mon 10-Jun-13 09:56:27

I often find O about to chew on the phone charger confused

My dad has a boisterous Labrador so this could be fun...

GTbaby Mon 10-Jun-13 10:10:34

Chasing really happy to see your dad is coming today.

BP my lo is obsessed with labels. Nephew took it to another level. He would play with labels in his shirts. So his mum cut them out. He would then stick his hands down his pants to get to those labels!

Re H. He asked me just now why there are bottles of booze on lo room. I hide them from him lady night. He can't remember anything. I don't want to tell my folks. I've tried to get his brother and sister involved before. But it never works.

I'm behind again!

Saw your post on FB * chasing* (((hugs))) thanks

Had a bad night with M, she woke twice upset with tummy ache which took her a while to get to sleep. When she got up this morning she must have successfully pooed during the night. It bloody stunk! But because she's done it during the night she now has a red sore bum sad

What do I need to be doing? I've coated in Metanium, going to give it as much air as possibly and then leave nappy off for as long as possible before and after bath time tonight.
I'm not surprised it's sore from the smell of the nappy, really made me gip envy

Passmethecrisps Mon 10-Jun-13 10:59:55

Poor wee M's bum fatima. I think you have done all you can. It is amazing how quickly a rash develops. I think it goes pretty quickly as well though.

Welcome back dixie.

I am another believer that nursery can be good for a child evil. N will be grand there.

Good on you chasing. I also reckon a call to CA would be worth doing.

Crisp towers is still surrounded by a moat of snot but we are getting there. P is starting to look better and her appetite seems to have upped. Hopefully she will be back on top form soon.

We are off for our first meeting with a potential childminder this afternoon. Pretty nervous. My gut tells me today's lady is not the one - not even met her yet!

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 10-Jun-13 11:48:17

Not much change in buzzy household. I'm tired of being tired.

Just back from dentist, me, J and DD. I might need a wee filling. Am gutted! Only have one other tiny one that I got when pregnant with DD so it's white to avoid mercury while I was expecting.

Going swimming with DD and J a day a friend and her son today. I'm sure I'll regret this the minute we are getting changed!

chasing glad to see you refer to him as XP. That's a big step!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 10-Jun-13 11:57:41

Fruit F lurves rich tea biscuits blush

Pass glad that snotty moat is drying up.

Fatima sounds as though you've done all the right things, hope her sore wee bum heals up quickly.

How do you tell what size teat to use? F has had size 2 Avent ones and she seems ok with it - but she's had them for 4 months. Greedy pig just wolfed down 5oz of Nutramigen.

fruitpastilles Mon 10-Jun-13 12:28:23

pig you will be able to tell when she needs bigger teats, she will take longer to finish the bottle or won't finish it at all as it'll be too much work for her to get the milk out. S is on size 4 teats but that's just because she has thicker milk. Also afaik bf babies take to smaller teats better as they are used to a slower flow could be talking out my arse there but I'm sure I read it somewhere

ChasingDaisy Mon 10-Jun-13 12:57:27

My dad has just left after picking up some of Oscar's stuff. No going back now. Moving on weds, will then look for a place for me and O. God knows how on earth I will pay for it though.

ChasingDaisy Mon 10-Jun-13 13:03:40

O is still using size 2 teats.

He wolfed down yoghurt and avocado today, so now it is a waiting game to see if dairy agrees with him or not.

ValiumQueen Mon 10-Jun-13 13:09:29

BP if she can wolf it down she is on the right size teats.

Fatima metanium is the best thing for sore bums. You are managing this well.

Considering name change to TiddlyQueen Pikz grin

Chasing Tax Credits are only applicable if in paid employment. Tell Tax Credit people of change in circumstances ASAP otherwise they may send you a bill. Contact CAB or similar for advice. It could be all money is frozen until reassessment in which case ask for crisis loan. May be worth getting in touch with SS for help with this. Not sure about your fathers income. They only ask about you and partner, but call it 'household' income. When my brother was living with me he was not entitled to a penny hmm

Lily311 Mon 10-Jun-13 13:09:37

We are on size 2 teet, she can't handle size 3. Using mam bottles and size 3 is from 4 months.

We went to the English playgroup. Waste of time and money. It's for kids who never heard English words before, I'm sure O was thinking about how stupid everyone looked and sounded.

O bit me today, her little teeth have really grown, 2 at the bottom. She slept 13 hours last night. Yep. Without waking.

Kyzordz Mon 10-Jun-13 13:14:59

Glad to see the ball is rolling now chasing smile and that o is eating things, hope he's ok with the dairy.

e doesn't seem to like salmon with carrot and tomato from the ak book. Mind you he's gone back to being funny with food again. Not sure what to do for the best. Guess I just plod along and get whinged at at mealtimes.

horsey his bottles are at 7, 10:45, 2:30, 6:15 abd 10pm. Plan is to get rid of 10 pm one and do 7,11,3,7 with food at 8, 12, 4, but I'm not so sure about that when he's back to food refusal. Might have to go back to food before milk as you've suggested but then ill worry he won't drink enough.

Either way I'm gonna screw it up, can see it coming.

hope you have a nice day izzy

Hope everyone else is ok too, I'm sure I've missed something

ValiumQueen Mon 10-Jun-13 14:10:57

Fish heading your way Kyz. You are not messing anything up. You are doing fabulously x

horseylady Mon 10-Jun-13 14:25:34

kyz he needs 600ml a day minimum. He will drink water. I'd focus on one feed near food. That helped me and he just seemed to associate food with filling him up? Was odd! But you do what you want to do and what works for you. But babies are clever. They know what they need. Well most seem to?! Ds is very cautious over food he's not sure of. Every time I offer something he takes a tiny bit to taste then decides whether it not go back for more!! He's getting better with new things. But is still very picky!! So now the new thing is added one ice cube to things he does like?! As such he has all sorts of weird and wonderful combinations but who cares?! He'll get better. And finger food he looks at before trying and again is super safe with it. Other kids just seem to pick up and shove in!! But it's up to him.

You are not a failure though x

Dixiebell Mon 10-Jun-13 14:30:36

Teddy loves sucking labels, BPLP. Every toy I pick up has a soggy label.

horseylady Mon 10-Jun-13 14:32:30

Kyz to add the 600ml includes calcium from porridge yogurt etc.

I've also started to think as his milk feeds as meals too, which helped me. I was worried about him dropping feeds but a couple if bf friends stopped feeding during the day and just gave water and food. I had a good chat with other ff mums and the way I've done it seems the most common way here.

Kyzordz Mon 10-Jun-13 15:25:35

Thanks horsey smile so if I did lunch before bottle but kept the others as food after a bottle? He is usually given finger food and puree so he has a choice and there is always water available. I guess if he is full on 8oz bottles food is harder work esp now it has lumps in. I don't like to have a schedule but he does follow routine really well and I much prefer to know where I am. I am struggling with the concept of not worrying when he doesn't want milk but then the idea is to slowlu replace milk with food isn't it. He cannot be starving and I think I need to look at the 20oz as an 'as long as he drinks that much and food is offered' not 'he's only had 4oz this feed' and I keep offering the bottle for about 30 mins. Perhaps I should let him leave it wherever he leaves it, and hope he ups food intake. He really is cautious about food and if the initial taste isn't sweet he often moans a little as if he expects me to get something else. He ate at mils last week and it was only today when he wasn't keen on the fish thing that she told me he had 3 yoghurts the week before because 'he wasnt loving his veggies'

I dont mean to be strict but he DOES eat savoury stuff, of course he prefers sweet stuff but I try not to just go for yoghurts and fruit as easy as that would be!

Thanks vq I do need a slap

you're all so luffly and helpful and put up with me so well

TheDetective Mon 10-Jun-13 15:52:34

Horsey O does the tiny taste on the lips, licks them, looks curious, thinks for a moment, then dives at the rest of the spoon if he likes it! Makes me laugh!

Chasing Tax credits - you are entitled to by yourself. Your dads income does not matter. You are certainly entitled to CTC. I don't know enough about your employment details to know if you would be entitled to WTC. I assume you are still receiving some kind of maternity pay? TC take off £100 a week of that, so remember to take it off when you work your income out - as they will not. Did you use the checker on entitledto?

There is one on the HMRC website www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/payments-entitlement/entitlement/question-how-much.htm that is the guidance, and this is the calculator taxcredits.hmrc.gov.uk/Qualify/DIQHousehold.aspx. I would put your current income in, disregard X's income, and maintenance. Also, when it gives you a figure, it is April to April. So you would work a weekly amount out by working out how many weeks from now til next April, then divide the amount by the number of weeks left.

Hope that makes sense?

TheDetective Mon 10-Jun-13 15:55:11

O has woke up for 2 night feeds again the past 2 nights.


Just when you think you are getting somewhere, no, fuck off, back where you were! Argghhhhhhh! Drives me nuts!

Also, I am tired. I went back to bed this morning when O went down at 9.30. He slept til 12.30. So did I blush.

I think I am going to take Nytol again tonight. I can't deal with it taking me over an hour to get to sleep. And each wake up it is the same for me to get back to sleep. Can take 2 hours. It's ridiculous. Then the next day I can't function.

We should have gone out this morning, but I just couldn't face it. sad

ChasingDaisy Mon 10-Jun-13 15:56:21

That's great thanks Detective, I had a look and my child tax credits would be £65 ish per week. I am unemployed so don't qualify for working tax credits. I get maternity allowance which runs out next month. Looks like I will be entitled to income support as a lone parent with a child under 5.

My dad just said that they can't fit the cot in the room I will be sleeping in and Oscar's room is the box room. So O will have to go in his own room sad. I'm really not ready for that. Think I will just sleep on his floor or co-sleep.

TheDetective Mon 10-Jun-13 16:17:23

Chasing How much room is there? Kiddicare do a smaller cot? www.kiddicare.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdisplayA_2471_10751_-1_45693_146474_10001_14687

H:90 x W:59.5 x L:95.5cm. Would that fit? If not, do you still have his moses basket? Believe it or not, O still fits in his. Despite his massive length. I do have one that is longer than average though at 75cm long.

TheDetective Mon 10-Jun-13 16:17:50

Are you in a double bed? The toddle pod I have is suitable for co-sleeping. It was £29.99.

horseylady Mon 10-Jun-13 16:23:33

kyz yes that's exactly what I do. So I'd feed him at 11 a purée and desert and offer water. E has 4 ice cubes plus a little yeo yogurt (or a whole Ella's pouch and a yogurt if we're out). And he's dropped the 11am feed. As he has breakfast about 8.30 he gets to 11.30 now quite happily. I offer him water too and he's started drinking more of it. What I have found is his 3pm and 6.30 milks have confirm forward in time slightly, so he tends to have a bottle about 2.30 if not before now and he wants food about 6. But I have started giving him food before his 6.30 bottle in the vague hope hell eat with us about 6 and then merge the 6.30 and 10pm bottle to around 8-9ish and start sleeping a bit longer. But I'm in no rush to push that feed and we've only been on the above routine for a week!!!

detective each time he does it, it really makes me chuckle!!! It's like 'no I don't like it ill play with my bib' or 'more more more'. And it's the sane whether finger food or purée?!

TheDetective Mon 10-Jun-13 16:26:33

Yep, same here! Although I'm not sure why, because there is really only 2 things he hasn't liked/rejected, so confused.

I'm the same though, because that is how I test food after the sniff test!.

BigPigLittlePig Mon 10-Jun-13 16:36:45

Chasing I would co-sleep for a bit. It will do you good to have snuggles from the little man in the dead of night. Then perhaps you can slowly focus on getting Os room ready, as a little project over the next few weeks?

Another food dodger today. Plus she's just vommed - Nutramigen smelling vom. That bottle was 5 hours ago?!

TheDetective Mon 10-Jun-13 16:51:37

I've got a very sleepy baby today confused. He slept 11 hours in total last night, with 3 wake ups (all in 1 hour, thanks O!). He's got a snotty nose, which he has had since Thursday. He woke up in a stinky old mood, and screamed hysterically for a good 90 minutes this morning because he wasn't getting 100% of everyones attention hmm. Then he had a 3 hour nap, and he's asleep again now, and has been since 2.45, so over 2 hours. Lazy bugger.

Might check his temp when he gets up.

I bet he wakes for 2 feeds again tonight, as he was due a bottle at 4, and his dinner at 5. Fuck!

Pikz Mon 10-Jun-13 17:20:46

Feel a bit weird today. Traded in my Audi TT, I bought it when I couldn't get preggers and found out 2 weeks after that I was expecting. It's gone in exchange for a family car.

Sleep dodger finally asleep 2 hours before bedtime obvs

Lily311 Mon 10-Jun-13 19:16:56

chasing it's not ideal but I left my pop up travel cot in London. It's this one: www.tesco.com/direct/koo-di-pop-up-bubble-travel-cot-blue-polka/211-4747.prd?recommendationId=3f62427f-fc7a-4007-bec5-120b21a9e3ef.0&skuId=211-4747

Check if it fits, my friend works for a courier company so can send it to you for free. I'm back on 10/10 when I will need it but it gives you a couple of months to get used to the idea of putting O in his room. Let me know pls, I would love to help, it's no trouble at all. Xxx

ChasingDaisy Mon 10-Jun-13 19:36:29

Oh Lily what a lovely offer. I will let you know weds/thurs if that's ok?

Ok. I had a wobble but I'm good now. Just bathed O and waiting to transfer him to cot. Packed up all his bath stuff for my dad to take tomorrow. They have got hold of a mini fridge for O's room so I don't have to be attacked by disturb the dog when I go to get the night feeds.

You guys are amazing and have said exactly what I need to hear. This is the absolute worse bit. The only way is up. I can't wait for me and O to build a home together, that will be the start of the rest of our lives smile

Lily311 Mon 10-Jun-13 19:44:21

Sure but pls do let me know, it's just sitting there.

ChasingDaisy Mon 10-Jun-13 20:13:19

Just sent a message to a friend from back home to say that I'm coming back. She is the one with the 16month old. Oscar is her toyboy smile. Living with my dad will drive me crackers so I need to get out and see people asap.

ChasingDaisy Mon 10-Jun-13 20:14:10

Oscar is the 16month old's toyboy. Not my 28 year old friend's. Just so that's clear.


PennieLane Mon 10-Jun-13 20:25:45

Well done chasing what a difficult decision and one you'll never regret. I'm so sorry it happened again

YW and others wanting to know how to stop BF one day. I'm in the process now. I've dropped or swapped a feed every two weeks from 6 months. This seemed about right for supply to figure itself out and for LO to manage transition. So I went from 7x BF per 24 hrs plus 1 FF, am now at 7oz FF at 8am, same at 4pm (this was always FF) and one at 8pm. Plus a BF to get to sleep (and anything over night which is occasional). Have only just swapped breakfast feed this week. So the last frontier of BF to sleep is in two weeks, and I have no idea how to do that. The other daytime feeds where she fed to sleep she did with min fuss, I don't think she'll let go of the bedtime one so easily-she absolutely loves it and gives me the biggest smile before she latches on. But I need to be able to leave the house on occasion for my sanity. Will try MMs suggestion of dummy.

Long post, and boring but I hope helpful to some!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 10-Jun-13 20:34:39

Ah. I have 3 weeks to drop 4 daytime feeds. My boobs are going to suffer, aren't they!?

Chasing glad the wobble is over, and glad you have plans to get O an older laydee! F will only be a tiny bit jealous haha.

GTbaby Mon 10-Jun-13 21:08:42

Anyone else try to make words up on WWF? Nope. Just be then.

ChasingDaisy Mon 10-Jun-13 21:10:44

Me! it accepts some random words sometimes so worth a shot!

LuisGarcia Mon 10-Jun-13 21:26:36

yep. half the words I play I'm like hmm

Kyzordz Mon 10-Jun-13 21:26:45

Glad you've sorted your wobble chasing things can only get better from here smile

E ate the lovely lentils. Not all of them and not with the enthusiasm he shows a yoghurt but still. I've gone a bit lax with finger foods, he's mostly had toast and fruit of a morning finger food wise. I think I don't give finger foods as an entire meal because I don't know what he eats and the gagging still upsets me

down to 5oz 4 scoops tonight. Fc he still sleeps! Hope this feed is dropped soon and replaced with solids during the day. When I get to 4oz 3 scoops ill do that for a few days then stop altogether. Surely no point going right down to an oz or so

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 10-Jun-13 21:26:56

chasing It's lovely to hear you sounding so positive about you and O's future. It sounds like your dad is doing everything he can to make you feel at home. I suspect it will be tough, but you are doing the right thing in making sure you get out and about. It's about an hour and a half drive for me so well doable for the occassional meet!

izzybizzybuzzybees Mon 10-Jun-13 21:36:53

Am going to bed. J had had both boobs and is asleep. I'm exhausted. Busy day was had and my bed is calling. Feel bad I'm not spending any quality time with DH but I'd be no company anyway. Night night everyone. Hope you all have a better night than I'm gonna have!

BigPigLittlePig Mon 10-Jun-13 21:44:11

And there I was, thinking you were a walking dictionary luis!

I make up words on wwf!

chasing I was going to offer you our pop up cot but I'll need it again mid July so lilys is a better offer smile

I'm worried M's nappy rash is fungal. It is very red and in her leg creases, then this evening there was a white patch on it that looked like cream but it wouldn't wash off. She's coated in metanium again and fast asleep. Will see how it looks.
Should I do a mid-night nappy change?
And if it is fungal, do they just prescribed clot cream? Because I've already got some. Or should I make a GP appointment to be certain?

BigPigLittlePig Mon 10-Jun-13 21:55:11

Fatima fungal rashes tend to have satellite lesions, which are little red patches scattered around the main area of redness. GP would prescribe clotrimazole or similar, plus or minus a steroid depending on how inflamed it was. Probably best to get an appointment to make sure.

ValiumQueen Mon 10-Jun-13 21:56:05

Sorry I told you a pile of shit Chasing, I was unaware you could get CTC whilst not working. It is so confusing. When DH was a student all our married life until last year we were not entitled to a penny. But now he is working, and we therefore have more money, we are entitled. Go figure.

Jacob will not sleep. Wind. Increased the ranitadine to help with the reflux and he cannot be horizontal.

He had bagel for breakfast and a taste of chicken and veg for tea. Small steps. I think he needs to go and stay with Cat for a while.

Pass, with the girls it was a case of putting anything on a spoon and they would open their mouths and eat it from about day 3 of weaning. Except mashed potato.