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November 2012 - Weaning is (messy) fun, what does your baby eat?

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StuntNun Tue 21-May-13 08:01:59

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1756625-November-2012-When-are-they-going-to-sleep-through-again

Please give your baby's favourite foods so we can get some ideas from each other.

StuntNun Tue 21-May-13 08:05:24

J loves oven toast (cut off crusts, cut into soldiers, bake for 15 minutes at 160, keeps for five days in an airtight container), Petits Filous (it's the sugar I expect) and he goes mad for strawberries.

J doesn't like egg sad or at least it doesn't like him.

PennieLane Tue 21-May-13 08:19:40

Oo going to try egg today, will be good to start protein!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 21-May-13 08:23:23

Whatever she can get her hands on. But especially pear. Pear is the mutts nuts in chateau pig.

ValiumQueen Tue 21-May-13 08:38:32

Fuck all at the moment. Even the milk is coming back.

DS2 goes crazy for banana. He also likes olives (!), scrambled egg, cucumber, cubes of cheese, houmous, oatcakes, buttered/peanut butter soldiers, naice ham, little bits of apple.....most things really so far.

ChasingDaisy Tue 21-May-13 09:32:37

Broccoli, sweet potato, courgette and baby corn are all popular finger foods here. Avocado also goes down well and he loves sucking on dried apricots. No purees of any description though.

WallinoMio Tue 21-May-13 09:45:03

Ooh LittleAbruzzenBear do you live in Abruzzo?

We've been struggling with weaning here...well, I have, I hate not feeling in control and it just seems to be such a struggle to find the right moment to give food! Either J is too hungry/not hungry enough/too sleepy/just not bothered though to be fair that was cauliflower cheese and I think DP had a word in his ear about that one as he hates it

Favorites...umm, pear, apple or banana mixed with Greek yogurt...not doing so well on the savory side of things. Plus I feel like all the foods I offer are not v exciting confused

Must try to chill out about the whole thing!! Especially because the pediatrician keeps going on about how J needs to put on more weight and weaning is the way to do that. he is perfectly following the 50th centile for weight off the top of the chart for length but I don't know if Italian babies are just short

Sorry, massive post to interrupt my lurkerdom! blush

BigPigLittlePig Tue 21-May-13 10:00:26

Wallino - what is "boring" for us, eg. pureed pear, a stick of carrot, is a brand new experience for our babies - new taste, texture, smell. I keep having to remind dh that F isn't "missing out" by not having butter on her toast (for example) as for her, the sensation of eating dry toast is a wonderful thing. You only have to look at the myriad of faces they pull!

Ciao Wallino! We have a house in Abruzzo (we were meant to live out there, but it hasn't happened - long story) and go out there four time a year. Going in the school hols and cannot wait! Are you in Italy?

You've reminded me of the Italian foods I give DS2, olives aside, like gnocchi (he loves it!), ciabatta, courgette fritters, pasta in passata, homemade meatballs...

Pikz Tue 21-May-13 10:47:20

Just made some lentils with veg and minestrone soup! Protein starts here!

WallinoMio Tue 21-May-13 11:47:54

Bear I am indeed in Italy - a bit further north though in Emilia Romagna!

bplp You have made me feel slightly less inadequate! This weaning malarkey is a minefield! Maybe I should just break out the horse purée? grin

PennieLane Tue 21-May-13 11:52:39

wallino I'm really struggling too. Have actually decided to stay in for a couple of weeks to crack it as was finding going to groups etc plus feeding too much!

WallinoMio Tue 21-May-13 11:56:54

Pennie glad I'm not the only one. I love eating a bit too much why can't DS be the same?! grin

Wallino Emilia Romagna is beautiful you lucky thing and yes, technically anything below your region is Southern Italy, or certainly everything becomes 'piano piano'! I need to go to Bologna, the foodie capital!

What do Italian parents wean their bimbi on?

I have found that DS2 likes to have what we have to eat, or similar at least, and then he scoffs the lot. He is way more adventurous than DS1 was.

Donnadoon Tue 21-May-13 13:02:29

envy Italy smile
DD is not eating half as much as some ... Only breakfast every day so far
But she has tried cheese, cucumber, carrot, broccoli, sweet potato, strawberries, mango, banana, rusk and rice so far.

WallinoMio Tue 21-May-13 13:27:40

Here they start with grated fruit so I have found myself for the first time in my life grating a pear and my nails

After that it's veg purees which the pediatrician recommended adding a drizzle of olive oil and some Parmesan to grin the I think pretty much anything goes!

Bologna isn't too far from me and yes the food is amazing smile what are the abruzzese specialties?

Donna we in theory have just started three meals a day but I think the amount actually ingested is equivalent to one!!

MaMaPo Tue 21-May-13 13:35:22

Early days weaning for us, but butternut and sweet potato have been most successful. I also suspect that finger foods are preferred to purée. Looking forward to finding out more...

PurplePidjin Tue 21-May-13 15:19:56

Sweet potato, parsnip, cauliflower cheese with pasta, bread crusts, rusks, apple, pear and weetabix are all good here. Porridge is not, butternut is meh and fromage frais = exorcist vomit.

Little weed has sprouted, 13lb6. He's been asleep, in his cot, for 1h30 after a 10 minute feed.

We are also trying lentils tonight, i used Annabel Karmel's Lovely Lentils recipe from the website with some substitutions because i cba to go to the shop

Thechick Tue 21-May-13 16:34:46

Hey Donna hope all is good your end.

I have a stupid question. When you give things like cucumber and courgette as finger food, do you take the skins off. I'm thinking, with skin it would be easier to hold but might be more of a choking hazard

Donnadoon Tue 21-May-13 17:04:43

Hi chick Yes I defo take the skind off and hover over her like a hawk petrified incase she chokes

Donnadoon Tue 21-May-13 17:06:22

Wallino grin

Wallino I don't think I've ever had a bad meal in Abruzzo and it's easy to feed my DSs there. My favourite local dishes are the porchetta, amazingly tasty and I could eat and eat and eat torte di lupo and the fresh fish is delicious. Pretty much all Italian food except Zabaglione <boak>. Interesting about the grated fruit. Our Italian friends say they have about 7-9 portions of fruit per day!!

PurplePidjin Tue 21-May-13 19:07:39

Wolf tart shock

Little gannet hoovered up his lentils, how did yours go down Pikz?

J is hit and miss with BLW, he'll eat anything in purée though, he eats Heinz baby biscotti biscuits like a champ though blush

He has tried broccoli, baby sweetcorn, bread/toast.
He grimaced at plain boiled pasta twirls today.

I try and mix t up, I give him wheatabix or porridge for breakfast, purée of some kind for lunch and then a finger food for dinner.

PurplePidjin Tue 21-May-13 20:07:33

First wake up. 5 minutes including nappy check. Really tempted to spend a couple of nights refusing boob sad

Brockle Tue 21-May-13 20:32:29

oops sorry, I finished the fredblush

BigPigLittlePig Tue 21-May-13 20:32:56

Bring on swearing fucking Wednesday.
For the 4th week in a row, F has selected Tuesday as her special night-to-not-settle along with every other day so once again I can't go swimming sad

PetiteRaleuse Tue 21-May-13 20:34:39

LO eats rusks, and prefers Nestle purees to mine the little rascal, for want of a better word.

In finger food she eats avocado on toast, butter on toast, banana on toast, pasta, roast chicken (shredded very very very much), bread, broccoli, melon, and cooked apple pieces.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 21-May-13 20:35:29

That's OK brockle I was unable to thinknof anything to put in a last post.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 21-May-13 20:37:44

Oh, she will eat homemade sweet potato, carrot and courgette purees if I flavour them with butter. She much prefers thigns with fish and meat in them. She is very much a mini me.

Annabel Karmel has a great lentil and leek recipe which DD1 loved; I have yet to make it for LO as it is a faff and I am worried she will further offend my cooking by turning her little nose up at it.

Pikz Tue 21-May-13 20:39:14

Pp not given them yet tomorrow first day so shall let you know!

Here any veg and fruit go along with rice cakes, corn carott sticks and sweetcorn rings, rice pudding, toast, breadsticks, and any fruit in his mesh handle thingy. He is a gannet.

I think like horsey is being told shall have to start reducing his milk as he still drinks close on 40oz plus 3 meals!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 21-May-13 20:40:23

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET A BABY TO GO TO SLEEP??????

Pikz Tue 21-May-13 20:42:20

Bplp I have a book called go the fuck to sleep...you could read it to her...

BigPigLittlePig Tue 21-May-13 20:46:11

On a serious note though, during the day, she looks tired, we go upstairs, rock for 5 minutes and she goes to sleep. At nighttime, no chance. Not a chance. All the rocking, feeding etc in the world won't work. Circumstances have to exactly align (sp?) or else it won't work. She has to be exactly tired enough when we begin feeding, otherwise she finishes the feed and is too awake, or nods off before she's fed enough. And woe betide us if we cock up on one or more aspects. Because then we have to wait hours until the right combination of tired/hungry rocks up again. Not sure how to change it.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 21-May-13 20:47:27

I think it was Detective who, about a million threads ago, linked to a youtube recording of Samuel L. jackson reading Go the Fuck to Sleep.

m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=y-vDYOpkoWE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dy-vDYOpkoWE

It's great. You can just play that to her.

BigPigLittlePig Tue 21-May-13 20:48:19

I can't be cross though as she's now wriggled aroiund on the floor and is licking the coffee table.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 21-May-13 20:50:56

bplp I'm afraid I can't answer that. J is ridiculously appalling at sleep. I'm hoping for a better night tonight. Six wake ups last night was bad. He is currently on book number two so technically has had a bigger feed than usual.

Food wise we have had baby rice and pear and banana mixed with said baby rice. Oh and yoghurt but that went atrocious didn't it!

Passmethecrisps Tue 21-May-13 20:51:14

Crikey I hope teenykyz is alright. How horrible. Poor kyz and kyzsnr.
<grabs kyz and gives her a massive bosom cuddle>

Hmm. I am feeling a bit odd about weaning. P doesn't seem to actually eat anything.

She loves sucking broccoli with the stalk hanging out her mouth
She loves nomming baby corn
She loves sooking on cucumber. She also loves stroking the cucumber on her eczema cheek.
She loves dry toast

Cereal mixed with lots of nutramigen went ok. Few spoon fulls
Roasted butternut squash seemed not to offend too much
A quarter of a plum got sucked to a pulp

Most of my purée makes her wince and shudder. She though the peach and banana Ella's kitchen pouch was ok.

I bought some pitta bread today so will give her some tomorrow with avocado spread on.

Nothing ever disappears. She never finished anything. We have only been at it just over a week though.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 21-May-13 20:51:28

For book number two read boob!

TheDetective Tue 21-May-13 20:54:39

Tim Minchins Lullaby might do it also?!

O woke up less than 1 hour after going the fuck to sleep hmm.

That better fucking well be it til the wee hours child...

Erm, sorry about the bottom shuffles brockle grin. O has been perfecting his sitting skills if it's any consolation? In the bath. Minus a bath mat. shock

Heart attack central that was hmm.

I have had a very chilled out baby this evening thank you jabs, thank you!! just hope it makes him sleep. All night. grin

Passmethecrisps Tue 21-May-13 20:54:43

And she insists on sticking her fingers in the contents of any spoon which I attempt to put in her mouth.

Too much too soon I think actually reading that back. I was warned she might be dubious.

Chill the fuck out passme

TheDetective Tue 21-May-13 20:56:45

We're still off the weaning bandwagon. sad Going slowly here. Going to get his sleep sorted, his milk right, and then give him a break before weaning again. He will probably be 27-28 weeks when we try again.

purple no wolves are used in the torte di lupo grin, it's a chocolate/almond tart. Not sure how it got it's name!

BigPigLittlePig Tue 21-May-13 21:06:28

DH told me off for playing Go the fuck to sleep. Words have been exchanged, many sweary words on my part in his direction.

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 21-May-13 21:07:00

Fucking arsewipes. Tonight DD1 went to bed no probs but E is still sitting here blowing rasberries at me. Why can't they just both go to bloody bed at the same time now! I want a nice hot relaxing bath. Humpf.
Off to catch up on fred....

TheDetective Tue 21-May-13 21:15:42

Fuck. 4th wake up..... <gives jabs the evils>.

horseylady Tue 21-May-13 21:18:10

pass ds was like that. One day he decided to eat. That's it??!! Very odd.

daisychain76 Tue 21-May-13 21:18:44

Think l‘ve missed a fred! Apologies if there‘s anything major l‘ve not commented on. Still having huge sleep issues with H but last 2 nights he has done a 2 hour stretch, so fx things may be improving.

H lovees cucumber, lasagne, bread sticks, baked beans (reduced salt and sugar), crumble, spaghetti bolognese, tuna, salmon and noodles. Only thing he wouldn‘t eat was butternut squash. thechick l leave skins on things like cucumber so he can hold them.

Can‘t believe he is 8 months old on Thursday!!

Lily311 Tue 21-May-13 21:19:34

Assignment submitted. I only need 40%. I don't give a fuck about getting the grades anymore, I just want a pass. I didn't put any effort into it. Oh well. I don't care. I had horrible headache today and only a red bull helped, it seems that coffeine was needed.

I am slow at weaning O. Purely because I am busy. So far she adores carrots, parsnips, sweet potato, yoghurt, coergette. She is ok with broccoli and fruits. She loves toast. I do a real mixture of finger food and purees but will start concentrate on weaning properly from now on. My cousin is a health visitor and she said lentils were not suitable just yet, also I should leave the bread, yoghurt and meat. It seems that the guidelines are different in Hungary.

Hope baby Elyza is better, keeping my fingers cross.
det glad that you managed to get the formula.

O is not well, she is really snotty and I think has sore throat. She had only 3 bottles of milk today so I'm in for a difficult night. Poor baby.

ChasingDaisy Tue 21-May-13 21:21:28

Thank you for those links PR, am touched you thought of me.

pass O was very much like that for the first week or so. Seems to be getting the hang of it now which has coincided with his sleep getting better (no transfer fails or wake ups so far tonight!). Maybe the cognitive processes have clicked into place.

Brockle Tue 21-May-13 21:39:39

O must be so proud of himself detective grin I mean the sitting not the lack of sleep!

ValiumQueen Tue 21-May-13 21:41:20

pass try to enjoy it. Easier said than done, but try to see food as fun for a while. It has barely been a week and she is very cautious which is to be expected.

kyz thinking of your wee sister. How old is she? J had it at 5 weeks and it is scary, but she is in the best place x it will be summer soon (laughs hysterically) so there will be less bugs around, and less chance of her having repeated episodes that they can be prone to.

Talking of which, J is still a long way from being well, but has only vomited once so far today, and has drunk more. I hope he has a better night as I am fucked. I did not think I could feel more fucked than I did, but I do. Grr. We even got out for a little walk in the sunshine.

Marking place, still struggling to keep up.
Got lots of camping packing and a stew to make tomorrow.

Had a lovely play date today, M is so smiley and happy.

Well jel at the Italy-ness envy

kirrinIsland Tue 21-May-13 21:46:20

Missed the end of another thread! 

pidj how are you doing? I always hope to come on here and read that you've had a miraculously good night - maybe tonight. Any chance of getting your Mum to step up a bit more?

YW that sounds shit. Hope you're feeling better soon. I'm not sure I like the 'hope it doesn't perforate in the meantime' approach confused Second opinion?

kyz (hugs) and brew How is she doing now?

Well done on submitting the assignment lily I don't know how you do it!

Can't remember who was saying they finally have a baby sleeping ok and then the toddler started waking up?? Same problem here confused N has done 8-6 with one wake up for the last 2 nights and DD1, who never gets ups, had me up 4 times last night and twice the night before. WTAF? It feels like a conspiracy - like no one in this house wants me to sleep. 
  

ValiumQueen Tue 21-May-13 21:57:35

Oops yes lily well done! And hope O is soon better x

I need to go to bed.

PurplePidjin Tue 21-May-13 22:04:03

Just had an hour of howling with my hand on him. He'd had 2 feeds and done less than 2 minutes each time. He won't be getting fed till i know for sure he's hungry. I never thought I'd be this parent.

Here we go again

PurplePidjin Tue 21-May-13 22:04:57

Just had an hour of howling with my hand on him. He'd had 2 feeds and done less than 2 minutes each time. He won't be getting fed till i know for sure he's hungry. I never thought I'd be this parent.

Here we go again

Passmethecrisps Tue 21-May-13 22:12:27

You are right VQ. She does enjoy herself so I should just be happy with that. She was adorable sitting there rubbing the cool cucumber on her poorly cheek then stuffing it back in her mouth.

Good job lilly. You are a champion for getting anything done at all. Good stuff

I am amazed at the things I find myself doing pp. The parent I thought I would be and the one I am currently have a big area of grey between them. The way I see it though is that the love, compassion and care is still there regardless so the nights or days when I just need to give myself another few minutes before tending to her don't matter as much as I thought they would. Self-preservation is very important.

PetiteRaleuse Tue 21-May-13 22:12:56

* kirrin* for some reason during those lovely weeks when LO slept through DD1 chose to wake up regularly. I reckon they have some kind of subliminal sibling communication and make a deal on who gets to piss the parents off the most each evening. Normally it's LO who gets to do it. DD1 always liked her sleep.

I am just watching the news with the clips of the tornado. It must have been so terrifying. Those poor children going through something like that away from their parents.

esmelovessqualor Tue 21-May-13 22:14:31

Well after me saying I was going to keep up with the thread, I've already fallen behind. Must try harder.

Thanks everyone for the welcome, looking forward to sweary Wednesday!

Weaning - E seems to like ricecakes the best, and sweet potato and carrot the least. Going to give her some chicken tomorrow. Her stomach seems to be a bit better today too fingers crossed!

Evilwater Tue 21-May-13 22:20:56

Just checking in, had a good day.
Off to sleep now.
Evil

PurplePidjin Tue 21-May-13 22:22:39

There is no me left to preserve.

ValiumQueen Tue 21-May-13 22:28:00

I meant to say Fatima I would not put LO in a fleece suit at night. I took DD2 camping from 7 weeks. Spent most weekends doing it. I would put her in a long sleeved vest, then sleep suit then Gro Bag 2.5 tog. Make sure LO is in night clothes before it gets chilly and snuggle her in the bag. Layers underneath are just as important with retaining heat. Put her on a SIM with a blanket on top. As it gets colder gradually layer up. I never put a hat on her or gloves as she would not tolerate them. I laid her on a buggy snuggle then did snuggle up and had extra blanket if needed. She was lovely and cosy but her hands were ice. I found it useful to have a room thermometer and would check it when I woke, which was very frequently. It got down to minus 3 one night and that was in July. She slept so well it was great. If co- sleeping obviously would be different and your LO is older now. I would not use the fleece at night as it is not an easy layer to add or remove and I think there could be a risk of overheating.

DH is snoring so I am making no effort to stifle my coughing.

Night night all. Keen to wait up for news of YW but I need sleep.

Bryzoan Tue 21-May-13 22:32:00

Aww pidj :-(

There is you know - she'll come back.

I so hope you get a bit of a break tonight.

I often think there is no way of communicating either the amount of love, or the level of downright difficulty and knackeredness that comes with being a parent.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Tue 21-May-13 22:32:38

I'm going to try get some sleep now. Decided I'm not feeding J until midnight at least as he had a big feed at 9pm. DH will be dispatched to settle him before then if required. Fingers crossed!

ValiumQueen Tue 21-May-13 22:33:37

PP it will get better. You will find yourself again. Once you get some regular sleep you will feel good again x the reaction to frais made me think perhaps there is a bit of a dairy issue there. Might help explain the sleep and weight issues maybe?

BigPigLittlePig Tue 21-May-13 22:36:44

Pidj thanks I hear ya. I am very much hoping that "me" will re-emerge at some point in the future. I would say near future but that seems unlikely. I don't have the energy to even try to get F to sleep, so hats off to you for your efforts tonight. F has been sat on daddys lap, or the floor, or the sofa, chewing her toys and watching Chelsea flower show.

Bryz well said.

I tell you what, if that GP gives me any shit on Thursday, they will find they are messing with the wrong person. I feel like a coiled spring, at some point something has to give.

PurplePidjin Tue 21-May-13 22:43:59

Too many other people need me to look after them.

Am going to turn the light out now and try to sleep. 5 minutes till next wake up?

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 21-May-13 22:44:32

kirrin I have been moaning a lot about my bloody DD1 now causing havoc at night time whilst E sleeps soundly. They are in fucking cahoots I swear. You have my sympathy. It seems so unfair.

With regards to weaning E was enjoying purees. Butternut squash, sweet potato, pear and a pea and carrot mix were particuarly faves. However a couple of nights a go I gave her some finger food to munch on in between purees but she now refuses the puree from me and wants to feed herself. Which is all well and good but I need E to actually get some solids onboard. I don't have the luxuary with her that I had with DD1 in being relaxed with how much she eats. So far her favourite finger foods have been broccoli, watermelon, cheese and breadsticks with hummous. She's also partial to a petit filous. I really need to start with protein so will do that towards the end of this week. Liking the sound of the lentil stew so might make a batch of that.

MissMummy1 Tue 21-May-13 22:46:14

Lots of handholding here kyz xxx

Sending lots of get well wishes to all poorly babies and mummies thanks

Matilda has tried as follows and (so far ) greeted each with a shock face followed by much nomming (no downright rejections or refusals except my boobs sad ):

baby rice, apple, pear, sweet potato, babycorn, carrot sticks, rusks, fox terrier, plain toast soldiers, and -this morning - melon. It is a toss up between dog and toast for her favourite hmm

Speaking of toast, we went out for lunch yesterday and I asked for a single slice of toast for M. They burnt it and then had the audacity to charge £2.50 for it shock shock shock 1 fucking slice of toast ?!

Today is the longest I have left her. My , u, had her frpm 12.30 - 9pm while I squeezed in as much work as poss. Hated every second away from her. Now having a wobble about Thursday as I will be away from midday to midnight. Thank god I decided against staying away over night. On the plus side my mum has exhausted her so fxd for a good night!!!

Elizadoesdolittle Tue 21-May-13 22:49:13

pp flowers Hope you get some sleep. You are doing stirling work under such difficult circumstances. Hugs.

Passmethecrisps Tue 21-May-13 22:52:59

Sad post pp sad bry said it all though.

Ok. Night night peeples.

Bryzoan Tue 21-May-13 23:29:28

Kyz - lots and lots of healing vibes to your sister.

PennieLane Tue 21-May-13 23:43:02

I'm so over feeding to sleep. LO will not settle tonight at all.

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 00:30:37

Fuck it. Just wrote fucking poetry for you PP! And my phone fucking ate it! Anyway in a nutshell, we see you smile we see your beauty and strength shining through the rough deal you have been played. You will emerge stronger and even more awesome. Please see a GP if you are having dark thoughts and please prioritise yourself so you can carry on caring for those who need you. ((Hug))

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 00:33:55

I got 5 mins sleep btw. J woke choking and was inconsolable. On sofa again. He is on his mat. This is night 7 of this fucking illness. Fucking bollocks cunting twatty wankbadgering up the arse illness!

kirrinIsland Wed 22-May-13 00:45:35

pidj what everyone else said ^^ It must seem like there's no end to what you are dealing with - see the docs if you need to ((hugs))

VQ bloody illness indeed sad poor J, and poor you. Sending healing vibes your way.

eliza and PR one day they'll both sleep through together and we'll all get a whole nights sleep - won't that be great?! Fx'd it's tonight

Dixiebell Wed 22-May-13 00:53:13

3rd wake up so far. sad Sleep, babies, SLEEP!! Did that help?

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 00:55:16

No grin but thank you smile

PurplePidjin Wed 22-May-13 01:24:21

Thank you. I'm not in need of my gp, although i know where she is if needed. Just fed up with fighting all the time. People think they're helping,.but they have no concept of the enormity of what i do everyday so are all proud of doing what in real terms is fuck all.

First wake since that post, so 3 hours. Fed and about to transfer

GTbaby Wed 22-May-13 02:00:22

I think I've posted several times this week. And every time I go bk I can never find it. ... Last attempt.

LO is feeding well. But he is so lazy. He won't hold any food. Or his spoon. He Loves puree food or yogurt. N today ate some of my pear slice, but only as I held it to his mouth. N if I pulled it away he would open his mouth expecting more.

But how do I encourage him to pick food up n put it in his mouth? Or to even hold it if I hand it to him?

ComradeJing Wed 22-May-13 02:04:06

DS likes everything so far - roast beef, baby corn, corn cob, pear, kiwi, baby rice cakes, avocado, toast, carrot, broccoli...

He gets very cross still at not eating that much though. I'm having to time his meals so that he isn't too hungry before hand.

ComradeJing Wed 22-May-13 02:07:30

Oh and vq you asked on the other thread re duet. LOVE it. Super easy to get up and down kerbs, kids are both very happy in it. Narrower than BJCS. Wish I had bought it from birth.

WallinoMio Wed 22-May-13 03:22:40

flowers to everyone having a rubbish time.

We are on wake up number two though I have been awake on and off all night thanks to a fucking bloody literally cunting mosquito which has been eating me alive since I went to bed yet hides when I try and kill it sweary Wednesday starts now, right?!

Am being mean and refusing to feed. J has gone t sleep so can't be hungry just refuses to be put down

Another wankbadgery itchy bite!! Do one mosquito!!

Bryzoan Wed 22-May-13 03:27:07

Poor old j and vq... Hope health is restored to Valium towers soon.

I was feeling quietly smug last night for settling r in his cot twice between feeds at 11 and 5. I was sure this was the start of a corne turning. Remind me never, ever, to feel smug again.

Dd has to miss her favourite toddler group tomorrow for another hospital appt. I hate hospital appts especially since she started hating them more.

Bryzoan Wed 22-May-13 03:30:03

Settling g in his cot. R is the toddler girl. Too tired to namecheck the right anklebiter.

Bryzoan Wed 22-May-13 03:40:40

I hate it that he'll go down fine and I'll think I got away with the transfer. Then 5 mins later.... Fucksticks.

LuisGarcia Wed 22-May-13 03:49:01

Marking my place. Hi 5 ing Bryzoan and the wide awake club

PurplePidjin Wed 22-May-13 03:51:13

Fighting again. No more food till 4. Go to fucking sleep little dude!

WallinoMio Wed 22-May-13 04:02:04

We are still up. Have given in and am feeding. Have also had an argument with DP in the meantime. Fun times.

Thanks VQ that's makes sense. I haven't managed to get a fleece suit anyway so won't be doing that. I thought I could put tights on with the long sleeve vest to add an extra layer but like you say they'd be hard to take off if warm. Think I'll take a couple of 2.5togs and plenty of blankets. She can wear one of those and I can layer up and down.

I haven't got a SIM, was going to put a travel blanket down followed buy a cot quilt folded in half and put the pop up travel cot on that. I haven't got anything particularly snuggly to put in the cot for her to lay on, suppose a blanket will have to do, or the bottom bit of her buggy footmuff.

I've said if she's cold she'll let us know and she can snuggle up in bed with me

PurplePidjin Wed 22-May-13 04:35:12

Fed. Fighting again. Mummy Will Win.

Fatima, i have a couple of fleece suits in 3-6. They're a good weight in the sling. Pm me if you want one to try, although i agree with vq. Cardi over cotton clothes and sleeping bag much easier to control!

Lily311 Wed 22-May-13 04:44:47

Awake 3 or 4 times. I need matchsticks.

Dixiebell Wed 22-May-13 05:33:19

Erm, seems my random shouting at 1am did help, here anyway, as only just woken now. Attempting feed in hope of a bit more sleep, but transfers never that successful this close to morning.

Dixiebell Wed 22-May-13 05:34:49

Feeds at 10 and 12.30...perhaps I need to do two dream feeds to get him through till 5.30?? confused

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 06:04:05

Fatima so long as you avoid an air bed or regular travel cot as the air gets so so cold in them.
Another bad night due to cough and cold. He keeps swallowing the phlegm which does not help.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 22-May-13 07:08:04

pidj take it from me of four reprobates you do get yourself back. A new improved yourself though, with a family 18 months has been my turning point. With them all.

Now time for a Sophia lecture re abdo pain. I am really hoping you are ok yw. When I was at Uni I had abdo pain. My GP there said it was a pulled muscle hmm I came home feeling sorry for myself and my GP at home sent me to a&e with suspected appendicitis. They kept me in for a week waiting for a scan (1994) it got worse and worse and my right shoulder was agony at one point I remember sitting on the floor leaning on the bed trying to manage the pain. They just didn't know what it was. The list of things it could have been was long, it ended up to be a bizarre cyst on my liver they thought I had had since I was a child from falling in water that sheep had been in confused anyway the lesson is don't mess with abdo pain it could be a number of things. Get it seen to straightaway.

Pulled muscle indeed!

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 08:46:34

Ya know, that sophia talks a lot of sense! <<wails at the thought of another year with my head up my arse>>

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 08:47:24

YW hope you're ok thanks

Sorry to hear of illnesses and bad nights brew

<whispers> somewhat of a miraculous night here. Bed at 7.10, two wake ups but back in cot after a quick cuddle and first night feed at 5am shock 10 hours without a feed shock shock and no transfer fails.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 22-May-13 09:06:18

<passes a wipe to vq>

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 22-May-13 09:06:37

<and includes a little cuddle>

PurplePidjin Wed 22-May-13 09:08:08

He went to sleep at 4:30 as i posted, then vvvdp went to the loo at 6:45, heard him whimpering and took him downstairs - until 8:30! So i got nearly 4 hours and feel fractionally human. Which helps as I'm working tonight and tomorrow night hmm

Any news from YW?

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 09:11:52

Sophia grin

PP good to hear you got a bit of sleep x

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 22-May-13 09:17:16

thanks to all those needing them - kyz, pidj, lily etc.

wallino, in this household, being awake in the period midnight - 5am means an argument with DH.

YW hope you have been checked out and are ok.

DS has a chest infection. Took him to the GP and he listened to chest and there was no debate about antibiotics. DS kept trying to smile and chat. He also STILL has conjunctivitis, so badly that his eyes were sealed shut this morning. Another shite night but hopefully now we have some drugs, this will improve.

As for weaning - while DS has been ill we have gone back to basics and stuck with fruit/veg purees. He likes sweet potato, butternut squash, parsnip, carrot, apple, mango and pear. He's a bit meh about melon, broccoli, potato. He likes dry toast and courgette sticks as finger food. He had taken very well to yoghurt and veg puree in a cheese sauce, but I've stripped back with the dairy while he's chesty. He did not like the veg soaked in chicken juice stock which I had given in anticipation of starting meat.

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 09:18:14

Morning ladies and gent.

Sun is shining in Jocklandia again.

pp glad to hear you got a few hours in a stretch. Good old vvvdp. He might earn himself another V.

Hooray for that chasing! That is a great stretch.

That is a scary story sophia. How long did it take you to recover? Sometimes I am grateful for a GP who googles.

I might Facebook stalk YW and see how she and J are this morning. Poor soul!

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 09:34:18

Morning fuckers.

Chasing am hoping F follows suit. That is all.
PP thank goodness for vvvdp, give the man a medal!
VQ nowt to add, just hope the bugs eff off nice and soon.
Ditto madam

Once she'd settled, F slept 11-5-7, so at least she had a good stretch. She did keep waking up and whimpering though. Nappies are back to green slime, which makes me think that the taste of butter has caused more trouble than I realised. Poor little lamb.

Off to baby group imminently, hope nice/germ free/sweary days are had by all.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 09:36:03

Oh and one more thing.

Last night, tired and cross, I growled at F "go to sleeeep". Funniest. Thing. Ever. She looked at me like shock, then thought it was hi-fucking-larious.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 22-May-13 09:44:13

pass I was a mere shadow for about three months, but was back at Uni in about a month.

Glad you got sleepies pidj

grin bp

YellowWellies Wed 22-May-13 09:54:57

Hello lovelies

OOH said virus, we only live round the corner from the hospital so took him in the pram in a grobag for ease of cot transfer. It worked a treat - though he looked very confused on our way there out after bedtime, with the dusk chorus.

He's been checked top to bottom and hasn't projectiled since 8pm yesterday - though it took two doses of his reflux meds before he kept it down. I fed him little and often between then and 10pm - unlatching him when he looked determined to tank up for the night (as we were told no heavy feeds) was horrible as he was so sad - and just cried with his hands outstretched for me my boobs. He also got good practice at drinking water out of his sippy cup smile He was very grey and clammy it was horrible.

Anyway he only slept from 10 til 7. And despite me lining the cot with towels he hasn't vommed again. Any tips on when I can BF him normally - I'm keeping him off solids today?

I'm still getting abdominal pain and am hot and cold but wonder if I have the same bug as Jonas? Really don't fancy another trip to GP in case we catch something else so am going to see how we are after 24 hours.

Thanks for worrying xxx

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 10:17:18

Morning fuckers.

LO has regressed. Regressed right back to newborn in frequency of wakings. Up at 12, 2.30 then 6.15. Very quick the first two wake ups. 2oz each time, so I think the humidifier in the room did help a little as sometimes she wants much more than that. She's not in pain. In fact she's in an excellent mood each time. The minute I open the door she stops shouting, twists her little head round to have a look and starts laughing. 15 minutes later she's asleep again (except at the 6am wake up).

So not quite as bad as newborn, but it bloody well feels like it.

DD1 got up at 1.45 and I thought she wa going to the potty, but instead she walked round the house like a zombie calling out for her teddy. Which she had left in bed. Got back into bed with teddy and fell asleep immediately. It was almost sleepwalking. Weird.

I have a massive fuck off sweary rant about work, but I don't want to put it on here, and using facebook on the iPad is a pita, so I will do it once my stupid phone has finished charging. Buggering candy fucking cunting crush uses up the batteries too fast.

Plus it is old in phone terms. 18 months. That's pension age in phones nowadays. I remember when mobiles lasted several years. In fact I rememebr when mobiles were all just fields.

yw I don't like the sound of your tummy ache. Did they take your temperature? Did you even ask OOH for yourself? Someone will be along to slap you with the rotting maggot ridden quiche fish if not.

YellowWellies Wed 22-May-13 10:24:36

I mentioned it to OOH and they seemed cool with the wait and see approach - DH also has grumbling tum and temperature but not the abdominal pain so really not sure.....

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 10:26:36

hmm last night was interesting. He woke 4 times before 9.30ish. Then slept til 0030. Woke but self settled after 2/3 minutes of crying. Slept til 2.30 when he woke but didn't self settle. Settled him pretty quickly with a cuddle. He woke back up at 4 and fed. Then slept til 6.30. I poked DP to get up with him. I'm not sure what happened after that as I know I woke a couple of times and hissed and prodded at DP. The next thing I knew it was 7.30. I think from 6.30-7.30 he was in and out of sleep. He can't have been crying continuously as I would have heard him. confused

Anyway I'm writing all the wake ups last night as due to jabs (gave Calpol after wake up 4 then he settled properly). So we will give the room switch one more night tonight then put them back in own rooms. And see......

YW glad to hear J is feeling a little better. Will you blummin' well get yourself checked though, dafty!!!

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 10:47:16

Glad wee J is seeming a bit better. Don't forget to look after you a well though YW.

Sounds shite PR.

P says papaya is delicious. Om nom.

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 11:07:18

YW do keep an eye on how are you are feeling and please get checked out if you feel any worse.

Bought rice cakes for O today but they say only to use from 7 months sad On the menu for today is mango for lunch and courgette and carrot sticks for dinner. Now, having never had mango before, how the fuck does one prepare it?

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 11:19:18

Do you want skin on or off chasing?

Just slice it into fingers.

VQ I know you said the wee man was still poorly - how are you?

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 11:29:41

I think skin off incase of nasties on it. How do I check it is ripe? <clueless>

horseylady Wed 22-May-13 12:09:31

It feels and smiles ripe chasing. Soft touch but not much like. Should have spring. Unripe is hard, with no juice. Doesn't smell brilliant either.

Cousins baby has pox. I think ds a bit young for pox? Yes?

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 12:10:32

It should give way slightly when you press it. When you look at it there should be slightly flatter sides. If you cut down then sides about a cm for the middle on each side you should cut past the stone. Or just cut slices off. The closer you are to the stone the more fibrous the flesh.

Mango is delicious. Yum

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 12:11:47

What d'ya mean a bit young? I would keep him away from poxy child if possible. Chicken pox can be nasty to the max

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 12:13:44

How is everybody managing to keep their babies clean? I put the Ikea wipe clean full bib with arms on p and she still ended up covered in papaya juice. She smells delicious but a bit sticky.

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 12:14:39

All by myseeeeeeeeeeeeelf

Done wanna be all by myseeelf anyeeeeemoooar

WallinoMio Wed 22-May-13 12:20:10

I'm here... J has just woken up from the world's shortest nap...now debating when to try giving lunch confused

WallinoMio Wed 22-May-13 12:21:29

And I don't really keep him clean, just attack with a baby wipe after each meal and get slowly buried alive under a mountain of dirty washing

WallinoMio Wed 22-May-13 12:23:20

Oh and horsey I've never even had chicken pox. Have been told I should get vaccinated once I finish breastfeeding. So fingers crossed J manages to avoid it at least until then preferably longer

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 12:31:11

pass sadly the days of keeping baby clean are over. I do not use wipes on the face as they can be a bit harsh. I keep a drawer full of flannels in the kitchen and use them just for faces and hands after meals, washing after use each time. Primark sell lovely ones at a good price. My first girl was and still is a very messy eater, Boo however never misses a drop. She managed with just a trough bib from very early, and would Hoover out the trough before she let me take it. I am ok, thank you for asking. Run down, but ok. If chest not better by Friday I will get myself checked.

horsey you are not thinking of a Pox Party are you? Pox at any age is not nice, and I would never intentionally expose a child as if there were complications I would never forgive myself. Thankfully the girls have had it already.

I have just slept for 2 hours! J is still in his cot asleep. I went to bed when he did thinking I would just inspect my eyelids from the inside.... I have also had my lunch in peace.

MissMummy1 Wed 22-May-13 12:39:42

I am feeling incredibly unsupported about everything today. Hmmph. sad

Glad J is okay YW take care of yourself too xxx

Chicken pox, urghh. Nasty nasty nasty. Hoping to avoid for a few years yet.

horseylady Wed 22-May-13 12:55:15

vq I don't ever want him to be poorly!!! Ever ever ever. I declined but then thought am I being stuck up lol!!

passcovered here. If not in food them vom.

horseylady Wed 22-May-13 12:59:50

Actually what's the incubation time for pox??? I really hope he's not got it??!!

Saw her 10 days ago!

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 13:01:08

You were right to decline horsey. I taught someone who had significant brain surgery after catching chicken pox. He was lucky to survive.

What's the chat mm

I dressed p then gave her papaya. Mistake. Naked meal times?

My singing obviously brought you all out!

YellowWellies Wed 22-May-13 13:06:08

Am missing a real life catch up with you ladies today - but boooyyyyy am glad you're not round here today - the sunshine and vom means my house smells of BM cheese envy

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 13:12:45

Pass we have breakfast in a vest, and tea in a vest. Lunchtime it is a case of damage limitation. But yy to finding sticky patches in funny places.

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 13:23:30

L currently asleep covered in lentils and fromage frais!

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 13:37:01

Two weeks horsey so there is a chance he will get it. Hopefully not. Sometimes even siblings do not catch it. Sometimes kids have an unexplained high fever a couple of weeks before they develop it.

YW sounds utterly delightful. Your question about feeding earlier, I have never limited bm when LO is ill. With a bottle yes - J is on max of 4 oz at a time otherwise it comes back quickly, but BM is harder to get, and easier to absorb. Have you got a thermometer yet?

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 13:45:08

Stop press!

P just drained a full 8oz bottle. In less than 10 minutes. At 1pm which is traditionally the bottle se refuses.

Blimey!

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 13:46:24

Thank you for mango advice smile. Opted for courgette for lunch so will give it a go tomorrow.

Anyone else amazed/scared/impressed by how much their baby is developing lately? O amazed me by easily picking up pieces of slippery courgette from his tray and eating them today - he couldnt do this 2 days ago. I guess that, plus the sitting unsupported explains the sleep regression we had last week. Developmentally leaping all over the place.

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 13:46:48

Flip! Wow! Very impressive little miss P. Omeprazole working then? Any side effects?

PurplePidjin Wed 22-May-13 13:47:34

Broccoli and cheese pasta is a hit here. I am becoming adept at the spoon obstacle course. Slalom round the outstretched hands, nip past the nose, into the mouth making sure of accuracy to go above the tongue then bring it out with a slight upwards flick to ensure the bowl is clean. For full professionalism, a quick swipe of the mouth with the spoon to ensure minimum wastage. This dude shows no sign of feeding himself though, he's too greedy - grotters if you don't shovel it in quick enough!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 14:06:03

Second tooth due any day. It's just under the surface. Then can we have a teething break please.

horseylady Wed 22-May-13 14:22:19

Fuck. Fingers crossed hes not got it.

pass go p!!!!!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 14:45:51

Yes much better to avoid if possible horsey

Here they vaccinate with the MMR against chicken pox. Hope to avoid it until then. Horrible illness.

I have deleted candy cunting crush. It's stupid. Only got to level 80 something but have realised how many hours I have spent on the sodding thing already. I have studies to do and will never get on with them while I have that stupid game.

Plus it runs down my phone battery too fast.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 14:50:16

As for keeping baby clean, I'm not. I'm wiping her face and hands and checking there's nothing in the folds of her neck. Other than that she can stay sticky til her next bath. Otherwise it would be neverending. She doesn't get bathed every day because DH has to do it.

We didn't think about the fact there was just a shower here when we moved, so she has her bath in a baby tub on the floor of the shower. I can't manage the angle with my back issues so can get her in, and washed, but painfully, but the can't lift her safely up again as sometimes my back blocks when I am getting up. OK for me but not OK when carrying a baby. Damn horse.

DD1 is OK under the shower with one of us, but wet babies are slippery so I don't know how people shower with them. I have heard they do though.

YellowWellies Wed 22-May-13 14:52:07

We've got the cheapy thermometer that came with the TT healthcare pouch but didn't have it to hand yesterday. He didn't have a fever according to the OOH. But I must buy a good thermometer - any recommendations?

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 22-May-13 14:58:28

horsey having had one child who got pox at 5 months and one who had it at 2, I have to say it was easier to deal with as a baby. It was horrible at the time as E had so many spots but didn't suffer too badly and was easy to stop her scratching as was able to put scratch mitts on her. However I am in no means advocating exposing babies and children to chickenpox, what I am saying is if they were to get it it may not be as bad as you think so try not to stress about it. I do think they should be vaccinated against it though. It's a horrid illness.

YellowWellies Wed 22-May-13 15:00:24

Jonas' hands and face are cleaned but he's sticky sometimes until his evening bath! Its a bit yucky having a gunky baby latch on for a feed - my BF tops are getting sticky too!

Horsey fingers crossed on the pox. My sis got her prem daughter vaccinated as her immune system wouldn't have coped with getting it young. It's one of those diseases many folks are so blase about and drag their kids out and about with yet there are so many immuno-compromised people who it could really hurt and even the 'regular' side effects on healthy kids can be shock shock shock shock

MM Hope you're feeling better xx

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 15:07:54

I found something odd and lump like on my boob the other day. It was dried on weetabix. The stuff gets bloody everywhere.

Well done crispjunior
And go O, with all his developing shizzle.

We're a bunch of healthy individuals aren't we!? Chicken pox - I had when I was 5 and remember being throughly cross that I wasn't allowed to school. We were learning about dinosaurs and the letter S. And I missed it <wails>

Dixiebell Wed 22-May-13 15:08:04

Teddy has eaten baby porridge, carrot, banana, sweet potato & avocado. DS1 even tried some avocado, I'm hoping he will become more adventurous if he sees his baby brother trying new things and getting praised. Spent a fortune on Ella's kitchen pouches to take on our holiday in 2 weeks. I love thinking of the nutrients going into our babies with every mouthful, before they're old enough to insist on the chocolate biscuits, chicken nuggets, potato waffles diet that ds1 attempts to live on!

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 15:08:43

Pass O's sudden increase in milk intake was when we started weaning! I don't know what it is/was but he's back down to 4-6 oz now we aren't weaning. confused

Well done little P!!

Dixiebell Wed 22-May-13 15:12:25

BPLP, you have a couple of years to swot up on your dinosaurs now then. Ds1 is obsessed, and I get 'what's this one called, mummy' at least 10 times a day when playing with his toy dinosaurs or looking at books. I have become a bit of a dinosaur expert in the last few months! wink

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 15:14:49

I'm a bit. Um. Anal. With cleaning and food. blush

I've got a coverall bib now but I'd still strip him down to a vest for feeding. Wipe as we go along. And a thorough wipe down at the end.

Food mess makes me go green at the gils. So I have to clean. blush

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 22-May-13 15:26:39

Me too detective. I have to really focus on not wiping him after every mouthful. I like watching him explore the food but I fucking hate the mess of weaning. And the pit of leftovers that the highchair becomes. Yuck.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 15:28:16

Det dh is the same. It drives me mad grin. You should see his face when I give F the spoon at the end, with a bit of puree still clinging onto it - just ripe for spreading into hair/eyes/nose etc. Green around the gills is an understatement.

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 15:30:44

DP gone to jump out of perfectly good aeroplanes so attempting to knacker LO out in jumperoo

petite we only have a shower and J is too big for the baby bath now, I've been taking him to my sisters to have a proper bath, in between that he's been bathed in the kitchen sink and the kids empt toy hippo bucket grin

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 15:37:36

tits I would manage kitchen or bathroom sink baths if the ones in my house weren't so stupidly impractically shallow. I hate our sinks.

PurplePidjin Wed 22-May-13 15:47:25

I made green alien goo <proud>

1 bag spinach, 1/2 head broccoli, 1oz grated cheese. Steam veggies, stir in cheese to melt. To be served with pasta, or possibly spread on toast smile

PurplePidjin Wed 22-May-13 15:48:22

Ahhh I'm struggling to condense packing for camping. Might just take a large suitcase full of all our stuff and be done with it.
Was hoping to fit all mine and DHs stuff in the hold all and Ms in the small suitcase. Might have to switch to the medium suitcase or two small.
ignores fact that I have to fit it all in the boot

Oh MM I had a dream about you the night before last!

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 15:54:49

Fatima get a top box grin

PR download a Pou. They are much better than cunty sweet fucker thingy crush.

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 15:57:13

If you have a Pou we could have virtual play dates.

I could be obsessive with cleaning him. Found it so hard with DD1, but I am not so bad now. I can even tolerate a snotty nose for a few minutes, although the girls are very efficient at cleaning them out themselves.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 16:08:28

I feel a bit obsessed with poo lately, but F is now doing lovely yellow poos. Not green. Not slimy, but yellow, unstinky, ebm poos. She's never done these! Never! I got a bit worried thinking that something was wrong, but then realised, the stinky green slime she's had for 6 months was wrong, and this is what people are talking about when they say baby poo is unoffensive.

Promise not to talk much about poo any more.

Pidj alien goo sounds, er, tasty! We made frogspawn (pureed kiwi) the other week. It was about as popular as actual frogspawn.
Pikz you dh needs his head looked at grin - lunatic!

PurplePidjin Wed 22-May-13 16:15:03

Ectoplasm (pureed broccoli with cheese) went down so well, i decided to elaborate for tomorrow wink

Where do i start with meat, please? Just go straight in with a plain bolognaise sauce, or add a bit of chicken to his lunchtime pasta?

MissMummy1 Wed 22-May-13 16:16:30

Fatima about me?!

I am fine. Just very pissed off with the stropping manchild. An argument is always inevitable when he is on nights confused

In other news, Matilda said Da to dp this morning. And then the man next door. And then the ikea tillman. And then the man in the swimming pool. All men in Matilda's world are 'da' ... hmm blush

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 16:16:58

We have yet to try anything on the green spectrum. Feet firmly in Camp Orange at the moment!

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 16:39:12

YW you can get lots of fancy thermometers but the basic soft end digital under the arm job is fine. You can get them for a couple of quid at tesco and they are the most accurate for little ones. DH bought me one for £38 and I always double check with a cheapie as sometimes it gives stupid readings.

GTbaby Wed 22-May-13 16:44:24

SWEARY WEDNESDAY?!?! where the fucks it's gone?

No one is pissed off enough lol.

I've been moved bk to mw led care. So that's good. Watching dexter (seties 5.0mg) now as LO is asleep. At my mums so get to sit on sofa all day.

I'm a crazy clean mummy feeder. Maybe that's why I'm having trouble with blw? I guess I need to let him just chuck the food around, maybe some elfresco dinning in needed? At least then I don't have to worry about the cream carpet.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 17:03:48

I've been swearing GT grin Dexter series 5 was my favourite. Was that the one with Trinity?

Agree with VQ the cheapest thermometers are the best. I think you have to add 0.5° when done under the arm. I, of course, do a rectal reading in kids. Would you expect anything else?

DD1 fell off her armchair sideways on to her head earlier. Keeping an eye on her but she seems fine.

Roast lamb and roast potatoes and carrots tonight. Will give some veg to LO to taste but I think lamb itself might be a bit strong.

Cacacaz Wed 22-May-13 17:08:41

Hello everyone, long time no post!

YW we have a Braun digital thermometer. It was recommended by my ex bosses who are GPS. How are you and J?

fatima I would love to attempt camping with M. I am not brave enough though.

We bath every second night here with just a wipe down in between.

So far M has been having food at lunch time. I think I shall offer him some tea tonight. He has enjoyed carrot, butternut squash, sweet potato, courgette and parsnip. Butternut squash is a firm favourite.

Small dude awake, will try to post more often!

Kyzordz Wed 22-May-13 17:30:52

Hi all. I plan on a huge catch up later once lo has settled.

Elyza is stable, they are no longer sure what is causing her to stop breathing, it still might be bronchiofuckinglitis but it seems these episodes occur within half an hour of a good feed so now they are throwing the idea of reflux around alot. I do not know what to think. She had to have a lumbar puncture to rule out meningitis. I keep hearing her screaming in my head. My poor mum is beside herself and exhausted. I didnt know what to tell the kids but I went with the truth for the 22, 18, 17 and 15 year olds and a very soft version of the truth for the sen 13 yo and 11yo. I hope that is ok.

eric is eating solids alot better and has tried lots. He wants to do blw so he is offered finger foods and purees each meal. I usually have to give him a loaded spoon as thats how he likes to do purees and yoghurt but that's ok right?

also I was at the hospital all day yesterday and e was with mil and dp. I said not to worry about solids because its alot of faff and it was an awful day, I thought that would be ok but then he hasn't had any today either. Will he be ok if I dont manage much for a few days? May manage fruit tomorrow breakfast but when I have to leave him with jusf mil and he makes so much mess it seems alot to ask of her.

I really hope to catch up hope youre all ok. Sorry this is short xx

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 17:41:03

kyz he will be fine off solids for a couple of days. LO likes to feed ehrself too both with finger foods and spoon stuff. handing over a loaded spoon is fine.

I am so sorry your little sister is so poorly. You and your mum must be frantic. It sounds like they are doing thorough checks, and she is definitely in the right place. Try and´make sure you and your mum rest as well. Sounds like you are handling your siblings just right. I jope they find out what is wrong very soon. She is vy young so will forget all about her trip to hospital very quickly. Lumbar punctures sound horrible but it's best that they did it.

<hugs>

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 17:43:46

Help please! O has come out in a rash after eating apricot. Pic on fb. Advice please, I'm worrying confused

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 17:47:08

Phone NHS 24 if you are worried chasing. Ambulance if any problems with breathing or swelling around face and neck.

GTbaby Wed 22-May-13 17:48:37

PR. trinity was series 4. Hated it towards endsad.

Kzy. Omgoodness. How scary for you. big hugs and good thoughts to you all x

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 18:06:26

I too love the trinity series best.

Our fancy thermometer is a Braun Thermoscan and I think it is the best of that type. A lot of money though.

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 18:06:59

Thinking of you all kyz x

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 18:19:12

PR hope DD1 is ok.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 18:39:27

Judging by the noise she is making chasing the cats I think she is fine hmm

Lily311 Wed 22-May-13 18:48:19

I reminded my brother on whatsapp that it was sweary Wednesday and not thankful Thursday after he made a comment about being grateful for the apple founder as he was bored and was killing time on his iPod. He thought it was hilarious.

O had physio today, she cried so much, I just wanted to cuddle her and run away. But she seemed so much better afterwards. Can someone remind me what O can have at this age (she just turned 6m)? I have the annabel karmel book but it's still in one of the boxes. Is lentils/chicken/pasta ok? Or are they from 7 months? How about fish? Cheese? She had yoghurt already and loved it.

I think I broke my toe. I don't want to look down. I am very very clumsy and kicked the side of the bed with full force. The toe in question was broken twice before.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 18:59:08

Whack-oneself-Wednesday? So much injury/sickness confused

Kyz it sounds as though you are handling things wonderfully, and you're being a brilliant support for your mum. E will be fine without food for a few days.

Lily ow.

We have an under-the-arm thermometer from Mothercare, seems to do the job and was a couple of pounds IIRC.

Have begun the evening feed already, 15 minutes earlier than last night, so hopefully tonight will be an improvement on last night.

<Crosses everything>

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 19:02:45

Lily ouch! They can have pretty much anything except no cows milk to drink and no honey until a year old. Obviously added in gradually. I tend to leave meats until they are 7 months but that is because mine have not been on full meals by then. Some advice is to avoid strawberries as they are a common allergen. And no runny eggs before a year apparently.

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 19:10:12

Be careful of apricots confused

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 19:11:41

Is O ok now, chasing?

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 19:28:30

He is thank you smile. Rash has gone and my heartrate is almost back to normal. I get a rash when I eat strawberries so shouldn't have been so surprised.

horseylady Wed 22-May-13 19:36:23

We have a crawler......

It's a funny crawl but he can now get places without rolling.

Oh dear.

kyz hugs. He'll be fine with no solids for a few days. Look after yourself and your mum. Dp and mil will be fine

chasing hope he's ok.

Ds has potato and cheese then a yogurt and then milk!!

We've had less vom today too. Hopefully it was the cold. Am keeping a food and vom dairy anyway (nice!!)

There was something else......mmmmmm.....oh yes, colic. Killed one of my horses sad

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 19:42:46

Oh horsey sad about your horsey. Colic is horrid.

Yay for crawling! My money was on E being first to crawl, but on Detective's O being the youngest to manage it. How old is E now?

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 19:42:47

sad horsey ? Today? Colic in horses is horrible. Assime this is in the past?

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 19:42:53

I knew E would be the first crawler horsey! Uh oh!

Glad O is better chasing. You must have been very scared.

Massive, massive hugs for kyz and babykyzsibling

In my opinion runny eggs should never be given. . . Because they are nasty yuck.

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 19:46:21

Horsey sorry about your horse. Colic is horrid in horses. Great about the crawling though. Had there been a bet on, my money would have been on E to be first. I think J will be the last. He has not even rolled over yet. I am not worried as like PR said the other day, when there are crazy toddlers around they do not get the same floor time, plus throw in infections and reflux and fucking school run 4 times a day.....

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 19:48:36

We all seem to have the same opinion of E! grin

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 19:50:06

Colic in horses is awful. A terrible thing.

Coming from that the article pp posted really is interesting reading. Having seen P overtired you really would believe that her insides were twisting and she was screaming in kicking in pain. I do agree that overtiredness and overstimulation are poorly understood and poorly recognised. However, and I might e misunderstanding, he seems to be suggesting that this is the actual reason behind diagnosed conditions such as reflux and intolerances. I certainly agree that colic is the 'go to' fob-off of over pressed doctor but I would be wary of putting people off seeking medical interventions in what are (in my experience certainly) very real medical conditions which require treatment.

horseylady Wed 22-May-13 19:59:38

pass eloquently put. I know though giving e a good burp makes all the difference in his mood some days. But yes I imagine there's a huge difference to intolerances (hence me not thinking he's got one) and general grizzles!!! We called his the 9pm grizzles!!

He's been trying and trying to crawl for a week or so. Today he figured out a way to do it!! It's not a proper up on all fours but he moves across the floor.

Yes, three years ago. Poor boy. Had the option of surgery, but it was bad. He could have died on the operating table or coming round. Or later. I knew I was looking at a dead horse as soon as I saw him in the morning. He was a good old boy.

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 20:01:16

I love how we know the quiche babies well enough to have such opinions of them smile I love all of their distinct personalities.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 22-May-13 20:01:57

Crawling, how exciting horsey. DS can sort of wriggle while on his tummy to move around, but I am not sure how deliberate the action is. It is like the angry sky diving motion propels him, somehow!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 20:02:29

LO gets zero floor time. She'll get loads at my mum's as there are carpets there. That will get her used to it. Then I'll try at home when the weather improves and my floors are less of a mud bath. DD1 learned on a big rug we had but the cat destroyed it with repeated puking so I ended up chucking it as could no longer get the bits of puke out.

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 20:10:59

Yay go E! His french name buddy is desperately trying to...smile

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 20:11:52

You've got to love the pets, eh pr!

I too would have imagined E to be the first crawler! Whenever I go shopping, and put F in the baby seat in the trolley, I think of that photo of E all smug in his big boys seat.

F has very little on-ground time, thanks to reflux. She has rolled many times on one day, and never since. It's like she can't remember how to anymore confused

Pass I'm with you on that article. I would have loved it if a darkened room and shh-patting was the answer, but certainly in Fs case, she needed help for her reflux. "Colic" is a good old catch-all phrase though isn't it. Much loved by MILs the world over!

Interesting though about babies turning away when they're overstimulated. DH gets quite cross that every evening, F won't look at him. Looks away, quite pointedly grin. But perhaps that explains it. It'll certainly make him feel a bit better!

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 20:13:39

Hopefully that was the last flip over of the evening....found him nose down in corner at top of cot shock

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 20:26:45

Turning away is one of LO.S knackered signs. Te second she turns in the cot I shove her comforter in her little hands and run for it leave the room quietly. I'll read that article. It sounds interesting.

LO has no toys or mobile in her cot except for her comforter thing.

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 20:26:58

P spends most of her time rolling around on the floor. She compulsively rolls into her front - Perhaps it is more comfy - the lies there and shouts. I thought she would be quite quick to learn to crawl but I am not so sure. I bought her a nest thing today to practice sitting in as she just won't and ends up face planting.

Oh! And we have a record of 31oz of milk today! Huzzah!

And she full-on nommed almost half of a papaya. I am not sure what likes most about cucumber either - its cooling properties on her cheek, its coolig properties on her gums or its nommability.

PennieLane Wed 22-May-13 20:35:49

Incubation time for pox is 21 days.

pass loved the description of spoon feeding!

LO had spicy chicken curry in yoghurt with baked lentils today. First piece of meat. LOVED it. Took 1.5 hours for each meal as every bloody lentil had to be picked up herself.

LO is also poised to crawl, gets in position and manages one or two 'steps' hopefully v soon. Also today manage to self settle for two naps. Makes that bastard regression worth it. Feels like everything changes everyday. I totally agree chasing it's crazy/amazing!

I have a drawer of Muslins I use as flannels and tip her face and hands under running kitchen tap (high tap) which she loves.

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 20:35:53

Yup - head turning goes on here as well. Or face burying.

The recent crawling business made me remember something I meant to mention.

Isn't is weird what babies decide is fascinating? Right now P is obsessed with trying to grab the remote controls. She lusts after them.

The other day she was on the changing mat and, as her habit had been for a good few days, was straining wildly over to the right. I assumed the object of her desire was a wooden pull on a rope dog. So, I am turned rummaging in a like of clothes looking for a suitable sleepsuit when I hear a noise. There she is with a scabby orchid pot sitting on her chest looking enormously chuffed with herself. She had orchid compost all over her but seemed content just to sit with it on her while she examined the leaves. Said orchid has been moved.

Most recently, me blowing dandilion clocks is awesome and hilarious.

Kyzordz Wed 22-May-13 20:37:22

Thanks all, you are all very wonderful you really are. Elyza has had another stopping breathing episode and her vein has broken down and she dislodged her cannula so has one in her foot now but if she gets this out she needs one in her head.

Sorry about your horse horsey and yay for e crawling. Chasing glad o is ok. Erm. How is j vq?

Is o doing ok in his brothers room detective? Is dd1 ok pr?

hope all is well quiche wide.

I had time to do some carrots and broccoli for e today for tea and I think he swallowed some of both and didn't gag once. Puree wise it was a bought pot of peach and banana. It has such a weird after taste. He ate some but wasnt keen.

ringing hospital again soon but hoping to catch up with the end of the last fred soon

thankyou all for the kind messages. I have shown mum I hope you don't mind I just showed her the well wishes etc related to her

Kyzordz Wed 22-May-13 20:39:13

Pass e loves the remotes to bits. He is always trying to get at them

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 20:41:07

Ah pennie I can't take the credit for that. That came from PP and made me proper giggle.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 20:44:31

Thanks kyz DD1 is fine, but bad tempered as she won't nap during the day anymore. She did a dramatic reenaction of her fall for DH when he got home, with great pride. She's fine.

You sound more upbeat, that is good. Try and rest, and make sure mum gets some rest too. Is there anyone else that can go into hispital tomorrow for a few hours to let her go home and rest?

Interesting article. LO had colic, we both hated it. DH managed it better than I did, and his solution was exactly that. Turned the lights off, put the TV on very quietly and let her deal with it. I was much more stressed.

pass LO also loves the remote controls. When she is obsessing I give her one taht is not in use, normally for the DVD player as that is always off, and let her play with it. Her main obsession is my hair though...

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 20:49:32

pass O's current obsession is labels. Today I whistled to him for the first time - he looked at me in shock and started looking around trying to work out where the noise was coming from. Next door neighbour was blowing bubbles for the babies yesterday which they both loved. Must buy some.

Which also reminds me, I was going to ask you all for games etc you play with your babies as I am running out of ideas confused We play 'Where's mummy?' all the fucking time a lot. I hide behind a muslin/scarf and he pulls it off and laughs when he finds me.

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 20:50:34

Oh PR yes to the hair. O is pulling mine out in clumps at the moment hmm

Kyzordz Wed 22-May-13 20:50:48

Bless her pr she sounds so funny! Mum wont. She breastfeeds elyza so needs to stick around anyway but she wont leave her longer than she did today when I got there and she went to the toilet and had a shower. She is going to run herself into the ground. She will not listen to me and has said I am the only one she can leave her with. I will try to get her to rest tomorrow and see if she will consider even just an hour off. Hope she will. She has not slept since sunday night and I am worried. I hope tomorrow when I go she will sleep. Mil is having e for me for a couple of hours

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 20:53:48

F has a bit of a love affair with my phone. The shiny light of the screen, the bumpy texture of keys (no touchscreens here).

Almond milk is nice. Thank fuck. Have just had a bowl of cereal. May have another.

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 20:53:53

Js favourite play thing is his willie. Like father like son. Obviously he only gets near it at nappy change and bath time.

J has not been sick at all today, just the odd posset. I do not believe in tempting fate confused He has only had 26 oz today, but that is still a great improvement on what he has been having. No fever, but cough is still horrendous. I am hoping he will be able to stay in the cot all night. I am fed up of sleeping on the sofa.

<<waves to kyzsenior >>

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 20:55:03

Kzy lots of love to you, mum and E.

Chasing he spends lots of time helping! I put him in high chair when cooking an give him plastic pots an wooden spoons. We sing and dance about kitchen too. I've learnt he just lies to be involved and near you.

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 20:55:16

Oh, and just found out that my pal, who was due the same time as us and miscarried at 11 weeks, is pregnant again!!! 8 weeks so early still, but so very happy for them.

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 20:56:50

Please slap me with quiche fish for the fact I'm very jealous of all the pregnant people around at moment.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 22-May-13 21:01:16

<slaps pikz>

kyz hugs, you sound like a great support to your mum.

DS loves my glasses. Loves to take them off my face. Over and over again. He also thinks a muslin over his head is extremely exciting. And a packet of wet wipes keeps him entertained for ages. Actual toys, he can be a bit meh about.

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 21:05:30

J loves his 3yo sister. She is very, erm, tactile. And loud. And in his face. I am forever telling her not to squeeze him, insert toys in his mouth, bend his fingers the wrong way, kiss him so he cannot breathe, lay on him etc, but he utterly adores her. The elder one tries, but she does not have the same effect on him. Boo was playing dentists with him the other day and had the little mirror right in there. The look on his face was a picture.

fruitpastilles Wed 22-May-13 21:09:24

S is obsessed with remotes too, and my phone and ipad, basically anything she can't have she wants!
vq glad J hasn't been sick today, fc this is the start of him getting better.
kyz hugs to you, your mum and elyza, she's in the best place.

S WILL NOT sleep in her cot at all tonight. I put her down at her usual time and she woke straight back up and screamed, she never does that. I took her into our room and she fell straight to sleep on the bed. Put her back in her cot after half an hour so I knew she was in a deep sleep, and as soon as she touched her mattress she woke up and screamed again, put her back on our bed and straight to sleep, what the hell do I do?

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 21:10:20

Yes VQ - dsd sounds like dd2, F loves her from a distance, but is a bit twitchy about stuff going on to close to her. She is, of course, "timid" hmm

Chasing will dig out the bubbles here tomorrow, quite excited! I sing badly to F, she likes to bob around on her feet on my lap. She will happily sit and stroke blankets for 10 or 15 minutes. Different day, different blanket! We play tickles, I start at her feet and sing "tickle tickle tickle" and work my way to her armpits. She likes grin

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 21:13:29

Oh pikz me too! I saw a pic of a pal on Facebook who is 6 months gone. She looked wonderful and I had this proper surge of memories - it was pretty overwhelming actually. Is it the same the second time? Does it feel so amazing?

Lovely, lovely news about your pal VQ. And good that J is getting a tiny touch better.

Bless you and your cotton socks kyz. Asking after people when you have a huge amount of your own to cope with. Your mum must be beyond herself with worry. I am not surprised she feels you are the only one who can care for Little E. I hope you can persuade her to have a sleep tomorrow. Is there a parent room? Even if she could be persuaded to sit in there for an hour she might doze off if lucky but she would get a short rest. Little E is in the best place but I can only imagine how traumatic it must be for you all. The only one who won't remember is the little lady herself!

PR your DD1 is so full of win! She must be a total soup of massive fun and completly exhausting.

Games wise . . . Ehm. If I have time I fly her around, go have a chat with the various babies and mummies in mirrors, kick her around the floor with my foot (she loves it!), use my tummy as a trampoline, play horses on my knee. That kind of thing.

She also spends a fair amount of time just on the floor with captain calamari and freddie firefly. She goes In her Jumperoo for a long time and now sits in her high chair. I also find that as long as I throw some entertainment her direction every so often, P just loves watching. She finds it particularly amusing if I suddenly burst into a vigorous dance routine while emptying the dishwasher.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 21:14:01

Games? I just sing and dance with exaggerated gestures and make a tit of myself. As I do tat on my own anyway it is nice to have an appreciative audience.

One thing you can do is give them something to hold in each hand, then once they are pleased with holding them offer them a third thing and watch their reaction. It's a massive puzzle for them as they try and work out what to do. Granted the entertainment value is more for mum than baby but it's interesting. You can actually watch them think, looking at each thing they are holding and trying to see how they can get hold of the third thing. They can't, and generally just drop with both hands and grab the third. But it is sweet. A few months down the line they'll have nailed a system to deal with it and will be mega proud.

Erm other than that. Bubbles, plastic mirrors, DD1 and the dog are what keep LO entertained. She spends a lot of time in her pen just messing with her toys while I entertain DD1. As they get older they need more entertaining. Right now they are just discovering and learning, and at least for this part of their existence - play time - other than dancing and making faces from time to time we don't need to do much.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 21:15:53

<wonders whether anyone else would want to be a fly on the wall of passes kitchen at dishwasher emptying time>

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 21:16:31

Me bplp I want to join in!

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 21:19:26

Oh yeah BP! Tickles! P now anticipates actions so if I wiggle my fingers in the air while she is on the floor she starts to wriggle and smile anticipating the tickle which she knows will happen. Songs that follow patterns are good for this - round a round the garden, this little piggy, incy wincy spider - that sort of thing.

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 21:21:51

blush I think it is much like what PR describes. Who is that guy? luis someone that does all the high kicking? I kind of channel that.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 21:22:54

Yes DD1 is masses of fun, and knackering and infuriating in equal measures. Earlier on in the garden I was trying to get her to come inside and she was shrieking NON very loudly and running away laughing. When she is being naughty I often have to turn around and hide my face so she doesn't see me smile.

My second pregnancy went by in a blur. First time round if someone asked me how far I was along I could tell them in weeks and days. Second time round I was much more vague. Scans were the same. Except at the beginning when the first scan showed no heart beat and I had to wait two weeks for another one, having been told she probably wasn't viable, I can hardly remember the other scans. When I was told she was a girl my first thought was good, I've got all the clothes already. There was none of the anticipation of feeling the first flutter, as I was late feeling DD1 and so didn't worry when all you guys on the threads were feeling stuff and I wasn't. It was a nice pregnancy, and except at the beginning very nice but dull. Knew what to expect, right down to the c section. Plus, having a toddler meant that I didn't have the time to worry about anything other than the unexpected guilt regarding DD1. Was convinced I was ruining her life by having another child. Taht was the big dampener on the whole thing. Silly, with retrospect, but I believe it is a normal reaction for DC2's arrival. VQ had some lovely advice on the antenatal threads regarding that.

horseylady Wed 22-May-13 21:27:45

Treasure boxes are excellent. Full of anything. He just likes it?!

We go out every morning. Either do the 11.30 bottle out of at home. Lunch takes an hour so sees us to 1.30/2ish then dog walk, then bottle, then play. He rolls/crawls round the floor. Jumps about a bit

We sing songs, read books. He just likes being with me. Or dh. Or anyone who smiles with him.

PurplePidjin Wed 22-May-13 21:33:07

Just got in from work to first wake up hmm

I switch R between play mat, dj booth and door bouncer and we play aeroplanes, knee bouncing, muslin over face "where's Rafa gone? There he is!" and "where's Rafa's <body part>" plus singing. Or just snuggled up. Between walking out to the shops, meals and naps there's not too much time to fill thankfully

brew to all in need, yet again I've read and forgotten sorry blush

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 21:38:20

Night has turned to shit here. Hysterical baby only calmed by mummy cuddles and calpol. Found out more inlaw shit which makes me want to take O and get away from here as fast as possible. I really think me and my boy would be better off just the two of us. P was trying to comfort him when he was screaming but he just wanted mummy.

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 21:43:44

Hugs pp

You ok chasing?

Why the fuck am I watching 24 hours in a and e when home alone...sobbing...

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 21:51:34

chasing I am a firm believer in a child needing both parents. Except in situations such as yours. I grew up in a house where my parents really should have split up well before I was born. It was horrible. Your DP can be a good father from a distance, but not when he is making O's mummy's life a living hell. I soetimes wonder that if my mum had kicked my dad out maybe he would have been a better father. I would certainly have been a happier more secure child. There's nothing worse than growing up watching your mum get trampled on by a twat, even if that twat is your dad. Well, I'm sure there are plenty of things worse, but not for a child iyswim.

Elizadoesdolittle Wed 22-May-13 21:51:42

DD1 is the same with E vq I'm constantly having to tell her to calm down, be gentle, not be so noisy with E but then I look at E and shes giggling away. She adores her.

kyz sad I hope your mum manages to get some sleep. Poor Elyza. Hugs for you all.

I feel really bad about how little E does. She plays on an activity mat and sits in her chair watching and playing with her big sis but that's about all. She loves bath time and I bath them together. We do eat meals all together and she loves that so I guess that's some form of game! I have a jumperoo burried in the garage which I wasn't going to get out until we moved but I really must dig it out. Thinking of all the things I used to do with DD1 and how E just isn;t getting the same attention. Don't get me wrong, she does have attention but of different sorts. I feel limited as to what I can do as that bloody tube is always trailing in the background and gets in the way. I'm giving myself a virtual slap and going to stop being so concerned about that tube and just let her be more free. It comes out reguarly enough anyway! We are starting baby sensory next month so looking forward to that.

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 21:53:40

Pr you said it so well. I have no relationship at all with my dad due to him being such a twat to my mum. I wish he had left earlier and I probably would have one.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 21:55:06

Chasing s'up?

Pikz I had read that this weeks 24 hours was a bit of a tearjerker. Will reserve it for a day where I am not emotionally wrung out about 10 years time then

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 21:56:55

Evening!

O's obsessions are the laptop wire (any wire really) remotes, phones, laptop, hair grabbing and eating, basically, anything he shouldn't have - he makes a total beeline for. Adventurous I'd like to think? This week I caught him with the laptop wire wrapped right around his neck. And DP had balanced his laptop precariously on some cushions on the sofa. Caught O with his hand on the wire, about to pull the bloody laptop on top of him. Wires are now removed, and hidden. hmm

Games wise, we do a mix of things. He has time in the jumperoo, his highchair, and on the floor with toys. If he is in the mood for it, the play mat, bouncer and swinging chair get use, but really, he's not as fussed with those any more. He likes his vtech walker. Basically, anything noisy gets the thumbs up from O. We do let him watch a little TV ignores fact it is currently broken about 30 minutes in the day. I'd say he doesn't really watch it continuously, but alternates between what he is doing, and a stare at the TV. I'll put music on the laptop, or on the TV as well. We do lots of tickling, peepo, bouncing on mummy, and singing. Singing being what he loves the most I'd say. I spend a large part of my day singing. Action songs wise, row row row your boat and the wheels on the bus get him going!

I've just bought him a few new toys today, he's tried out one this evening. The water pat mat. He LOVES it! Massive hit. So much fun for him! DS1 had one, and loved his too.

Oh, something else he enjoys is sitting in the pram, so if I am cooking or whatever, he likes to sit bolt upright, and pulls himself up on the bumper bar just watching me. I think he likes that he is at a nice level for world watching. That's why he likes the high chair too!

A tip for those who have the Ikea Antilop insert. If you are going out for a meal to a place where they have those wooden highchairs that babies slip and slide around in? Take the insert with you. I took ours tonight, and it meant he could sit up at the table and enjoy it ignores fact he was so far over tired it was ridiculous fecking SIL and having a 1 year olds birthday tea at 7pm grrrrrrrr.

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 21:57:42

Bplp it's horrendous. iPad is soaked.

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 21:58:46

Forgot to mention, O's most favourite toy? The dog. hmm

He adores her. She tolerates him. grin

When do they learn gentle?!?!

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 22:01:20

I've booked O's first birthday party <gulp>. The lady who runs the baby sensory and rhyme classes does parties. They are awesome. He's having a baby sensory party! I can't believe I've just booked it... shock.

O is 6 months tomorrow. Which I don't understand. He was born on a friday. He is 26 weeks on friday, which is 6 months. So why is he 6 months on a thursday?! I'm sooooooooooooo confused confused.

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 22:02:11

kyz poor you and your poor mum thanks Tell her that the quiche say she needs to get some sleep!

Found out that the inlaws have been ridiculing me for only feeding O fruit and veg and not letting him have sugar. Apparently they are going to take him to McDonalds when they 'finally get to look after him.' Fine, I can deal with that. But the scary thing is his 3 sisters telling P that he has lost the fire in his belly since the 'incident' and he needs to man up otherwise O will grow up as a 'delicate flower'. So they want O to grow up as the sort of man who beats up women?! angry They really don't see that he has done anything wrong and their views are so ridiculous it is scary. I can't let O grow up around these people. I just can't.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Wed 22-May-13 22:06:37

I've given j a bottle of EBM again in case it helps with sleep. Fat chance me thinks but hey ho I'll give it a go!

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 22:07:21

Det same date confusion here! O is 26 weeks next weds but 6 months on Tues. 6 months ago today (well 26 weeks ago) my induction was booked shock Can't believe that the little monkey who has taken up residence in my heart was in residence in my belly 6 months ago.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 22-May-13 22:08:23

You know that they will undermine you every step of the way, will encourage DP in his shitty treatment of you, and yes, boys learn treatment of women from their dads. You've taken a massive leap towards your freedom today with that realisation. You're getting there. Well done you. smile

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 22:13:04

Det L shares Os birthday and I don't get it either...

Chasing... Twats all of them

Passmethecrisps Wed 22-May-13 22:16:53

chasing one more nail in the proverbial coffin? Fuck them. Fuck them all

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 22:19:26

Can we not send det, prison warden VQ, luis and pp's vvvdp down to sort him and his sisters out?

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 22:22:12

<Scratches head> Last year was a leap year, but our babies were born after the leap?! <Clutches at straws>

Chasing They are motherfuckingcuntingshitfacedarsehairedwankends. Thank fuck for sweary wednesday. They always will be. Limit contact. Limit limit limit. Move away.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 22:22:23

Fs half birthday is Friday (born on a Saturday). Scary how quickly it has gone. This weekend we are going to do handprints, of me, dh, dsd and F - all on one bit of paper. We have handprints from when F was 6 weeks old. It really doesn't feel like she's grown, but she's three times the weight she was when she was born.

Det glad to see you post, was starting to think you'd gone awol.
Chasing nobbers, the lots of them. You are quite right to want to show O a different way to their twisted, bizarre views.

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 22:22:43

Good luck Izzy!

horseylady Wed 22-May-13 22:23:46

30 days in November......not 31

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 22:24:03

You can borrow dh to join the raiding party - he's 6ft 2, weighs 18 stone and is built like a brick shithouse.

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 22:26:07

One more nail indeed.

pikz that would be great wouldn't it?

I seem to be realising every day how fucked up their family is. I hate the values and ethics they have been brought up with and I am so thankful for my upbringing, even though I am not close to my parents. I will not let them influence Oscar. He is so perfect and so innocent.

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 22:27:12

Sorry! grin We went toy shopping today, then to DP's nephews 1st birthday. Which was a pain in the royal fucking ass.

O cried at everyone. It was his first time in a pub/softplay really. One of those Wacky Warehouses. Very noisy. O can deal with noisy, but it was a bit too much I think. She arranged it for 5.30 to start, but food was at 7pm. O started the meltdown at 7. I could rant about how DP got to eat his food in peace. About how I didn't want to eat as slimming world means food for me when out is so boring and shit. And how O only ended up going to bed at 9pm very over tired. hmm

But I won't. grin

Hope he sleeps very very well!.

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 22:28:33

What a daft time for a kids party!

Contact has now been completely limited. There is no way I am allowing O to see them without me. Or at all if I can help it. I must make plans.

Det It all depends on what month you were born in, with months being different lengths the date born won't work out the same as the day born.
I think.
And a yea's actually 52 weeks and a day.

Car's all packed up. It's a good job we're going with my sister and they're taking the important things like the tent in their land rover. We'd definitely need a roof box if it was just us VQ. Think we might need to invest in an estate car.

Wow to E crawling horsey, M is trying so hard but her belly is still firmly on the floor.

Yes you MM smile I bumped in to you in Leeds, so weird it was like I really knew you in RL.

DH fell down the stairs with M earlier shock All fine, he managed to stop M banging anything. She cried a lot but I think it was the shock more than anything. DH has a large stripe of carpet burn down his arm where he cushioned the fall. I think DH was a bit shell shocked afterwards too

BigPigLittlePig Wed 22-May-13 22:30:53

Crikey fatima - glad they were both ok. Every time I step over the piles of stuff on the stairs, I worry about falling. But the main trip hazard in our house is the highly mobile, highly dangerous, cat. Who likes to run in front of your feet and then...stop.

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 22:31:41

shock Fatima that must have been scary for all of you.

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 22:32:05

Ooooh, how could I forget! Yay for E Horsey! Well done!

I don't get it though. Surely 6 months should fall on the same day? Given that 26 weeks is 6 months exactly. And he is 26 weeks on a friday.

I'm seriously confused! SERIOUSLY! Doesn't take much these days.

Fatima Ouch. Glad M is fine. DS1 did the same with O. He cried from the shock too.

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 22:32:52

It's the thick as shit dog in our house BP. Silent, but deadly. hmm

PurplePidjin Wed 22-May-13 22:33:29

Chasing come. Get on a train and come down. There are two pubs near here that do discounts for contractors and would do you a good deal while you house hunt. If i had a spare room it would be yours. Let me know what time your train gets in <<<hug>>>

Pikz Wed 22-May-13 22:41:43

Fatima hope both are ok.

Det what a ridiculous time for a party.

Chasing get on that train to pp...

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 22:43:38

You are all awesome. The south coast has a strange pull for me. Like I belong there.

Anyway, must try and get an hour or two of sleep before O wakes.

<throws all spare sleepy dust over quiche as a thank you for being ace>

Kyzordz Wed 22-May-13 22:45:05

Hugs chasing. You ate doing the right thing. They sound vile.

Glad j has had a better day vq, e drank alot less when poorly too.

Mum has agreed to try to sleep tomorrow when I am there as long as elyza is stable tonight. Do dompwhatsit and ranthibgy take a whike to work? She is on those in case it is reflux and mum thinks she seems a little more settled this past hour. She often writhes and arches you see but has slept better this last hour. I wish we knew what we were dealing with but they do seem to think it is all leaning towards reflux. I have cmpi and lactose type stuff whizzing around in my head. I must try to look through freds as yw knows so much!

Is stunt ok?

ChasingDaisy Wed 22-May-13 22:48:16

kyz you are wonderful for thinking of others so much considering all you have going on. stunt has been quiet. Hope you're ok.

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 22:59:03

Christmas is on a different day of the year each year. As someone said up thread a year is not 52 weeks on the nose, it is 52 weeks plus a day, then in a leap year plus two days. Therefore 26 weeks anniversary will be on the same day of birth but 6 month will not, nor will the birthdays, until you have gone all around again.

Kyzordz Wed 22-May-13 23:04:32

Fatima are they ok?

Kyzordz Wed 22-May-13 23:10:45

I'm not chasing I feel like im dangling on a thread a bit but I am trying to be made of tougher stuff I am strong when my mum needs me to be. I am a mess when I am left to it so I am trying to keep a grip on everything and hoping I won't fail everybody needing me.

Vq that makes sense smile

im going to try ti sleep now and ignore the screaming in my head. Thankyou all for being here. Its helped as my mum wont tell people outside of immediate family irl because to be honest she cant deal with it. But I am having to be the whatsit that holds stuff together so I cannot waffle at them or appear worried like I xah

Kyzordz Wed 22-May-13 23:12:01

Stupid phone. ..

like I can to you all

night all, keep talking tomorrow won't you so I can keep up with you all xxx

ValiumQueen Wed 22-May-13 23:14:09

Kyz if my daughters are half as caring and attentive to me as you are to your mum then I will consider myself blessed.

Second and subsequent pregnancies are never the same as the first. With the first you get fussed over and enjoy each twinge and change, get to rest and know exactly how many days pregnant you are. And your hubby will not want to even touch you as you are such a fragile flower and he does not want to hurt the baby. And you feel horny as fuck.

With subsequent ones, you have a child to consider and worry about how it will change their world, your relationship and basically how the fuck you will cope. And if you will have enough love. Which you do. And you don't get to sleep or rest, and nobody bothers about how you are, or fusses over you, and you just want the 9 months over now! Bored with this game as done it all before. And you know vaguely how many weeks you are.

But the magic of when you see that line for the first time is just as wonderful, and at night when it is just you and bump and you have a moment to feel it kick and tumble... Just as wonderful, if not more so, as you know just how awesome being a mummy is.

And then you realise you are fucking tired. And then your child wakes up, and then your hubby wants sex as he knows it will be months before he gets so much as a sniff.......

StuntNun Wed 22-May-13 23:36:09

I'm here thanks Kyz and Chasing but not keeping up very well. My mum is over this week to help out so I can get some revision done (exams are less than three weeks away and I'm seriously bricking it) so it's more maths and stats and less MN here for the time being!

Sorry to hear of your woes Kyz. Hang in there as best you can, when babies get better it can happen really quickly so FC Elyza will make a speedy recovery. Your mum is lucky to have you. thanks

TheDetective Wed 22-May-13 23:42:48

My second pregnancy was far nicer than my first smile I enjoyed it more. It was just as special for me. Suppose it's because there was a big age gap and new partner?? Not sure!

In bed. Attempting sleep. Not going so well...!

Thanks VQ! Will re-read that again in the morning grin.

I realised how long O is today. His cousin is only 2cm taller than him. And is 6 months older. And their feet are the same size.

DS1 has a cousin 4 months older and it was the same. When he was 3 months he was longer than the 7 month old. hmm

Why the fuck did I only get to 5ft 2?!

GTbaby Thu 23-May-13 00:36:01

VQ. YES. Totally agree. 2nd time noone gives a shit. Well now they do cos SPD has got SO bad. And I don't know how many weeks+days I am. My answer is always "I think I'm roughly about 20weeks"

Lol

Trying to post as I read as usually after catching up I'm so tiered I never post. So off to read more

ValiumQueen Thu 23-May-13 00:36:47

I would think a 10 year age gap was like doing it all for the first time again. And you were so very young when you had DS1. I was celibate for 7 years and that was like doing it all again for the first time grin

J woke at 11.45 after going down at 7.15. Full to the brim so squirted and sucked out, and offered a bottle. Took the full 7oz. Lots of coughing was had, and lots of phlegm was shifted. From screaming pitiful creature to giggling milk monster in 30 minutes. Amazingly the milk has stayed down. I decided to try him back in the cot and it was like carrying an unexploded bomb up the stairs. I think he is asleep. I hope and pray he is asleep. Time will tell.

Hoping all quichelets sleep tonight and all mummies and Luis too x hope all partners have insomnia

ValiumQueen Thu 23-May-13 00:40:50

GT it will be lovely having two so close in age. Once the newborn weeks are passed. I had horrid SPD with my second and it was utterly miserable. In fact it hurt less recovering from the section than it did in the last few weeks. Do take care x

PurplePidjin Thu 23-May-13 00:43:12

2nd wake. 3 hour gap <cautious optimism>

<clings on to wooden chester draws for dear life>

ValiumQueen Thu 23-May-13 00:59:19

Chester drawers grin

LuisGarcia Thu 23-May-13 01:23:22
YellowWellies Thu 23-May-13 02:02:33

Kyz your poor Mum and sis but poor you too!!! I think you've just proved why Mum's and daughters don't have babies at the same time - women are the often the only ones to get stuff done and to hold each other's hands through tough times - with you both with wee ones its so much pressure on you both and there's no spare hands to cuddle the babies when needed - and you can't have a cry on your Mum's shoulder as you're having to be strong for her! Oh hon I hope you're ok and that there's someone there for you and E in real life too. You might be used to looking after your siblings for her but you're a new mum too and I'm worried about what a lot you have to deal with.

Right CMPI - is Elyza boob or bottle? Its often hard to tell the cause of reflux initially - its more a case of considering dietary causes if medicines don't work on their own. So if once she's been on the meds 24-48 hours there's no improvements then you could suggest moving to a dairy and soy free formula if FF or if BF (and its better long term for CMPI to keep BF if possible as BM is an antacid and better for dealing with intolerances) then your Mum should cut dairy and soy out of her diet.

Generally it seems CMPI reflux is worse and more aggressive than normal reflux - its also called delayed milk allergy and starts later than normal reflux symptoms (typically at 4-6 weeks) so maybe the timing of the symptoms could help you figure out which?

Am glad she's in hospital and the docs are taking it seriously. I know lots of folks eye roll at reflux and dismiss it as a lot of fuss over 'spitting up' but it can cause babies to stop breathing (Jonas used to too) as they choke on the stomach acid / regurgitated feeds and is terrifying. BUT it is easy to treat and Elyza will be much happier soon if it is reflux or CMPI when on the right food / meds.

Just in case the docs haven't done it already - ask to have her cot head tilted up and make sure she is fed in an upright position and held upright for half an hour after a feed (which is really tiring at night sadly) xxxx

ComradeJing Thu 23-May-13 02:10:35

Morning all. No chance to catch up on thread just now but hello hello.

LuisGarcia Thu 23-May-13 02:59:01

obligatory "Luis is still awake at stupid o clock waving at a hopefully sleeping quiche" post

LuisGarcia Thu 23-May-13 03:34:15

Well, while I'm here on my own, let me just kick Thankful Thursday off by saying I am thankful to you all playing Words With Friends with me and helping my brain stay active.

PurplePidjin Thu 23-May-13 03:50:43

Morning, Luis brew we gonna have a rl one soon and get J back on his big boat?

I am thankful for 3 hourly feeds tonight shock

LuisGarcia Thu 23-May-13 03:56:41

Yes. When are you free? Needs to be at least 10 days from now for money reasons.

And this isn't morning and coffee yet, this is still yesterday and sleepy dust <forlorn wish at this point>

Bryzoan Thu 23-May-13 04:01:59

Hiya luis - takes so long to catch up these days.

Hugs kyz. You're doing brilliantly and my heart is with the lot of you.

Chasing - I'm scared for you. How is p reacting to this? Please get some advice from womens aid.

Right. There are 365.25 days in a year. In calendar terms 365 days in non leap years - with a catch up day every 4 years (leap years) to make up for all the 1/4 days. 365 days is 52.2 (ish) weeks, not 52 weeks exactly. Which is why the days change and 26 weeks does not totally equal 6 months old.

Bryzoan Thu 23-May-13 04:16:20

I do wish g would fail on transfer when he's going to rather than giving me 5 mins of falling asleep before waking again. Gets me every time. I know g isn't as bad as many at the moment bit I'm still finding it hard. How you are all managing (especially luis with the fucked knees and baby spirit level) I have no idea.

LuisGarcia Thu 23-May-13 04:23:13

I was about to say I only manage with my knees because MrsG has my back when the spirit level woke up..

Bryzoan Thu 23-May-13 04:33:30

A day of success yesterday. R was checked for a cleft palette which she doesn't have, thankfully - but she was offered 6 months of weekly therapy specifically to build mouth strength by the cleft team. Am so over the moon. All her speech therapy to date has seemed to focus on language rather than speech production but it is making sounds that she seems to struggle with. Her understanding is brilliant and her signing is coming on really well.

Bryzoan Thu 23-May-13 04:37:12

Spirit level. Go the fuck to sleep.

Just changed a poonami. Thought the days of night slime were behind us but apparently not.

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 04:37:15

After a terrible start to the night O has just slept 9.30-4.30 shock. His best ever. That is almost sleeping through.

Lily311 Thu 23-May-13 04:38:56

She only woke twice! And still asleep. Not me though.
Hope elyza had a good night.
chasing get the fuck out. Come to Hungary for a few days/weeks, you are more than welcome.
horsey well done to E.
det you booked his birthday party??? I don't even want to think about that she is going to be 1 in nov. my plan is to book tickets for my Oh's best friend for nov, he absolutely loves O and missing her a lot. My brother will come too and hopefully my best friend with her daughter. All need to fly though.
O spends time in her jail (playpen). She loves grabbing toys and throwing them away, also loves books. She became obsessed with my nephew's comforter do ordered her one as he will be back on sat to take his away. She loves my dad and sitting in the garden. Also loves eating. I sing all the time and chat to her. She is in jumperoo too. My mum is buying a small ball for her this weekend as a child is not a child without a ball.

LuisGarcia Thu 23-May-13 04:42:23

Good boy O

Bryzoan Thu 23-May-13 04:42:37

G loves balls. And toy cars. But when r was his age it was all about bells and shakers as far as she was concerned. G is much less fussed about those.

Lily311 Thu 23-May-13 04:45:59

Oh, as for dogs. I'm so jealous. My sis has 2 dogs and she sent me a video of her 3 year old hugging both dogs on the patio explaining that he couldn't possible go to sleep as the dogs were not tired and they would get lonely if he disappears for the night. My sister keeps saying on the video that it was bedtime and he keeps trying to reason with her saying look, how sad dog1 is, how lonely they were going to get overnight without him, it was so cute.

kirrinIsland Thu 23-May-13 05:26:13

I've only skim read - sorry - as work days are proving no busy that no much else gets done. I'm done for the week now though!

kyz thinking of you and your Mum. Hope baby E is feeling better soon. If it is reflux /intolerances you have a wealth of knowledge in this quiche smile

chasing get out. Just that. You've made an important realisation today - act on it. Womens aid can help.

VQ hope J is well and truly on the mend now.
And your description of second pregnancies was spot on!

Apologies for what I've missed - I will do better tomorrow smile

N just slept 8 - 5 shock And DD1 hasn't woken all night either. Feels good but I won't get used to it

PetiteRaleuse Thu 23-May-13 06:34:31

Morning. Only one wake up here and I slept through it smile

It's good having DH back.

I'm thankful for another healthy week, for my DH, for my DDs and for this quiche.

I'm not thankful for teething.

MaMaPo Thu 23-May-13 06:37:19

Selfish qq: which is the lesser of two evils - holding tired baby so she gets some sleep but revisiting bad habits, or enforcing good habits which means no nap time?

<waves> to all and sundry, esp Kyz, Chasing and PP.

One more week until my Aus trip is over and I face the hell flight back to London with a baby who now doesn't sleep, who has 'found her voice' (nice way to say 'screams') and who has started teething. I want my pré-holiday baby back, this one is hard work! I also want my husband. Sorry, being all me me me today...

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 23-May-13 06:43:29

<whispers> I gave up the dream feed on Saturday. O has been going to bed around 6:45 and waking between 6:00 - 6:45 grin

MaMaPo Thu 23-May-13 06:53:44

<swaps baby C with Sophia's O>

Brilliant news!

Cacacaz Thu 23-May-13 06:58:27

kyz poor little E. I hope you are able to encourage your mum to rest. I think its wonderful that you are being a tower of strength for your mum. She is very lucky to have you.

Horsey Hi five to E for being the first crawler

VQ lovely news re your friend. My sister is also pregnant around 9 weeks now. Baby due on Christmas Eve.

Games in this house include peek a boo, singing made up songs -- I'm sure he is laughing at us and not with us-- bouncing in the jumperoo -- which actually looks like he is trying to dance a highland jig--.

Pr I also have a hair puller. He will also try to nom said hair.

pass we do tickling rhymes. M loves this little piggy and will giggle as soon as I touch his foot. My favourite is a little Scottish rhyme.

Roun a bout, roun a bout
Catch a wee moose
Up a bit, up a bit
In its wee hoose

chasing what a bunch of utter arses. Fuckers!

Dixiebell Thu 23-May-13 07:42:29

Morning all. DH fell off his bike yesterday. He was coming down a hill towards junction with a main road and his brakes failed. He went right across main road, almost got hot by a car and landed in a hedge. Luckily, as he doesn't wear a helmet because it would mess up his hair. hmm I have told him he's not to ride it again until brakes fixed, and he must wear helmet. He's ok, scratches all down his cheek. Made him take car to station today.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 23-May-13 07:54:00

shock Dixie that must have been scary for him. There's a big cloud of bad luck shitting all over the quiche this last week. It is high time it fucked right off.

that's great news Sophia smile envy

PetiteRaleuse Thu 23-May-13 07:55:54

grin at image of cacacaz LO doing a highland jig in the jumparoo.

MissMummy1 Thu 23-May-13 08:03:00

Sending lots of love kyz and echoing what everyone has said. You are a true credit to your mum xxx

Love the dog story lily - that really made me smile smile

Umm cant remember what else.

Today I have woken up and really hate 'd'p. He is whinging that he only slept for 5 hours last night, that he is too tired to sit in the car and come up north with me today, that his sleep is more important as I am a woman and "nature has designed us to survive on less sleep" =I shit you not. It is becoming apparent kver the past few days that he will ot do anything I want, or indeed support me in anything I want to do. It is his way or no way. Fucker angry I know in my head I do not want to be with him anymore but then we have a run of good weeks days hours (?) and I try and make things work for m's sake. Arghhh feeling very sorry for myself and a bit lost todaysad sad sad

I am thankful for my gorgeous sleepdodger.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 23-May-13 08:08:07

<crawls in and dies>

BigPigLittlePig Thu 23-May-13 08:09:09

Dying's a tad dramatic

<crawls in and passes out for a very very long time>

YellowWellies Thu 23-May-13 08:32:15

Lily that video of your nephew sounds so cute.

MM, Chasing hugs one day you'll be with someone who makes you happy the majority of the time and pissed off / sad rarely - that's the way it should be. I think we've all hung on in relationships for too long because the 'good stuff' is very good when it happens. On balance if they make you sad orangry or envy more than they make you feel smile they're not the one for you. And MM look at your Ma she stuck with your Dad 'for the sake of the kids' she's finally found 'the one' now though and what a difference in how she's treated.

I've just had to wake Jonas up as we're off out early. I got ready and dressed then sat in his room and had a read on here until he woke. I realised that sat in the dark dressed in black I looked like a mummy ninja! grin

Thanks wise quiche for thermometer advice DH bought one last night online going for Braun thermoscan and then a cheapy underarm one - if its good enough for VQ then I reckon its the right choice smile - am so lucky to have you mummies to learn from.

Kyz how's Elyza today? xxxx

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 23-May-13 08:40:52

<<collapses onto thread and cuddles up next to bplp thinking I'm glad I'm not the only one>>

I'm exhausted and was pretty much crying this morning. J up at 5:45 and DD not long after. DH told me to txt mil so she will be here at 9am to let me nap. J has been extremely grumpy since wakening so hoping he behaves for her and I get to rest.

horseylady Thu 23-May-13 08:51:19

What vq said and someone else. There are occasions when6 months = 26 weeks. Here he was born on a Saturday and turned 6 months on the Saturday.

Not too bad here, 6am wake up so ok. Had cuddles in bed smile

Those if you with shit dp, there are some lovely men out there. Mine is one, most of the time smile

What's that matt det must say I was tempted with the baby sensory first birthday party lol!!

LuisGarcia Thu 23-May-13 08:51:41

bryzoan congratulations, by the way. smile

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 08:55:04

pig hugs and lots and lots of brew

MM hugs from me. I think you know what you want to do but it may just take one thing to cement it in your mind. You earn your own money, you have a good support network. You know you could do it without him if you needed to.

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 08:57:16

Posted too soon...

...YW and horsey it is good to be reminded that there are good men out there and this is not a good relationship. But that shouldn't be my priority now, I need to make sure I create the best environment for O to grow up in. Considering moving back to my home town.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 23-May-13 08:58:25

<cuddles into izzy>

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 09:07:02

<joins in cuddle>

O may have slept well but I did not...confused

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 09:11:35

Oh, meant to say yesterday....O's cousin fell and bumped his head yesterday. He was crying and instead of comforting him, SIL filmed him crying and sent it to everyone as she found it funny angry

PurplePidjin Thu 23-May-13 09:20:47

Huzzah for good sleep, brew for those in need

My boys have just set off with the pushchair for a walk to the next village, round trip of 6 miles! I've got 2+ hours to do a massive overhaul of my living room to get it safe for crawling - i was a 7 monther and R looks like he's heading that way so i need the books on shelves, sewing machine and wires tidy, piano (electric) out of the way etc. Nice homestart lady is due at 10 so hopefully she won't mind helping blush should have checked

Hope Elyza and J and any other poorly ones are ok?

Today I'm thankful for vvvdp and our current good health.

What are everyone's main parenting tenets? We want R to eat healthily and have good manners, figure academic stuff can be done at school.

PurplePidjin Thu 23-May-13 09:23:33

Chasing let me know about that train. I run a monthly group and the next one is tomorrow afternoon. I can introduce you to some lovely new friends and convert you to cloth nappies and slings smile

PurplePidjin Thu 23-May-13 09:26:00

Oh and Luis next week is half term so the ferry will be rammed. Monday Wednesday or Friday the following week? I'd love to meet L and Mrs Garcia, I'll even bring vvvdp for the full family affair if you like? You can talk football and poo while us girls talk shopping and poo hmm

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 23-May-13 09:26:57

Mil is here to rescue me. I've been sent to bed. Will get two hours sleep hopefully.

PurplePidjin Thu 23-May-13 09:27:02

Gah!! And again!! Bryz, can you get to Lymington or is it too far?

ValiumQueen Thu 23-May-13 09:33:36

<<Crawls in, grabs a foot (no idea who's) cuddles it and falls asleep>>

ValiumQueen Thu 23-May-13 09:34:15

<<worries about apostrophe placement>>

LuisGarcia Thu 23-May-13 09:50:30

"You can talk football"

I thought you said he is a Leeds fan?

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 09:54:56

<outs self as a football fan and wonders who luis supports>

pidj good question. My two aims are for O to be kind and to understand and enjoy a healthy lifestyle. I will make it to the south coast one day. And talk football and poo with your vvvvdp

Passmethecrisps Thu 23-May-13 10:03:32

Morning.

Today I am thankful for saline and coffee!

Poor wee P has had a cold relapse and hasn't slept since 3. She is currently asleep on me and I have hot coffee.

Good question pp. I think I want P to have self-confidence, compassion and to have an interest in the world around her.

I heard David Attenborough (my secret crush) say that when he is asked "when did you start having an interest in nature?" He always answered "when did you stop having an interest". His view was that we are born fascinated but it is lost somewhere along the way.

Passmethecrisps Thu 23-May-13 10:10:40

<passes brew around to everyone>

kyz YW of course gave excellent advice re little E. we were shown in the hospital how to adjust the bassinet and cot - they have handles on but some of the nurses had never used them. Well worth asking.

Also, keeping a baby upright in the middle of the night can be torturous especially with all the sleepy BF hormones whirling around. One of the consultants who saw P suggested popping her in the car seat for a while if desperate. I know this can present problems of its own - especially for a baby with breathing difficulties but it might be worth asking about. It's
Not a long term thing.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 23-May-13 10:12:32

You wouldn't want it to be my foot vq

NEWSFLASH - DOCTORS SUCCESS grin grin grin grin

Lovely fit Irish locum, who has given me a prescription for Nutramigen AA (on repeat), referred to dietitan and paeds! Plus showered F with oodles of compliments whilst she beamed at him and waggled her legs frantically.

Passmethecrisps Thu 23-May-13 10:14:01

Oh! And I am thankful for hairdressers as today I am off for the chop!

What should I get done? My criteria are: no low maintainance ; long enough to stick in a pony tail; a fringe to cover my massive forehead.

Passmethecrisps Thu 23-May-13 10:15:29

<raises bunting for BP>

Hooray for fit locum!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 23-May-13 10:15:43

PP I would love for F to be polite, and tolerant, and to continue to have the same amazement at the world around her, because let's face it, the world's a pretty fascinating place and packed full of wonderful things to discover.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 23-May-13 10:16:55

pp I would like my DD's to be fit and healthy, enjoy the good things in life, realise they can achieve pretty much what they want if they put their mind ro it, and show respect to themselves and others.

Ooh, just remembered I blogged about this a few weeks ago: pint-sized-rants.blogspot.fr/2013/02/things-girls-should-know.html

Hope no-one minds the link

BigPigLittlePig Thu 23-May-13 10:18:12

Hooray indeed pass. I am as happy as a very tired skylark.

No idea how to conceal a large forehead. I too am blessed cursed with one. I'm told it means that one is wise hmm

Passmethecrisps Thu 23-May-13 10:29:45

<pictures a snoozy bird sitting in a corner twitching its wings happily>

Great post pr. My poor mum had such a hard time when I was growing up - very bright but brought up to know her place (she was told "factory or shop work is suitable for a girl like you" by her careers adviser) and was forced to work in a factory to keep the family afloat. Looking back I know she was depressed but goodness she and I were like battling tigresses.
It is to her credit, however, that she believed a university education was within my grasp, was my right and was the only way to escape the rural fucking shithole we grew up in. I know lots of girls who were prevented from going for all sorts of bizarre mysoginistic reasons.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 23-May-13 10:37:08

Thank you pass

I think when you have very young children we tend to analyse how our mums in particular brought us up. What will we do the same and differently.

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 10:49:51

Brilliant news pig! I want a fit Irish doctor. The accent...swoon city.

I have a sad baby today. Took calpol to stop the crying last night and he has barely fed today. He has been rubbing his ear so am suspecting teething. Can also feel a raised lump on his gum. I think he is also struggling to poo. Would it be wise to give him a day off solids? The apricot reaction could have affected his insides too I guess.

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 10:53:40

Big forehead here too. Wise, yep that's me.

pass how about a sweeping fringe and side parting. Maybe a few long layers which can still be tucked into a ponytail?

Passmethecrisps Thu 23-May-13 11:12:32

chasing would you like to come to the hairdressers with me?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 23-May-13 11:20:15

F has been asleep in her pram for nearly 2 hours now. I have had a hot drink, sorted some work stuff, done attempted a crossword. Am looking forward to her waking up and feeding though as I have the most painful blocked duct sad

MaMaPo Thu 23-May-13 13:05:19

Sorry to hear of sad baby. I have one too, she was all out of sorts and had to feed to sleep.

Can someone dig out the slapping fish? I have unwisely been looking round t'internets while despairing about babyC's and keep coming across mums whose babies sleep 13.5 hours at night. Surely they are all an elegant practical joke, those people.

Nighttime here - I've had my mum with me since I arrived in Aus 10 days ago, but she's gone back home 3 hours away. Nobody to palm babyC off to when she decides 4am is party time. I miss my mum already. My mother in law is here, but (?pointedly) hasn't insisted I bring her the baby if she won't settle. Oh well.

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 13:08:11

pass grin it is my default hairstyle. Has potential to look nice when I need it to, but I can leave it scruffy most of the time.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 23-May-13 13:14:17

I've just been sorting through Fs old clothes. I found some impossibly tiny babygrows, that she was once too small for. How has she got so bloody big!???

Chasing is O any happier?

Mamampo one day you too will have a baby who sleeps. That is my current mantra to myself.

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 13:24:20

He's sleeping now but still sad sad Has taken some milk though which is good. He feels a bit warm so will take his temp when he wakes up. Can teething cause a high temp?

MissMummy1 Thu 23-May-13 13:48:46

I am on a bus! On my own! shock and remembering why I always drive envy (not a jealous face)

I miss Matilda sad .

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 14:04:54

I hate travelling by bus. I always end up smelling of bus sad. Are you working MM?

MissMummy1 Thu 23-May-13 14:11:41

Kind of. I am going to a cheese and wine event up North. Mainly to catch up with some old uni mates but will hopefully make some new connections too. The promise of wine is the only reason I am not driving. I have started getting really travel sick unless I am driving. sad

MissMummy1 Thu 23-May-13 14:12:14

*new work connections

ValiumQueen Thu 23-May-13 14:51:37

Chasing teething should not cause a temp but many many mums say it does. Considering the average small child has 13 colds a year and there are many nasty bugs around at the moment, I think there is likely an underlying infection. If hitting his ear best to get that checked in case it is infected. Keep an eye on output. They must keep weeing. Leave off solids until better and focus energy on milk.

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 14:57:00

Thanks VQ thanks. Will. check his temp when he wakes.

YellowWellies Thu 23-May-13 15:27:10

Jonas is talking non stop to the cat smile smile smile smile who is being bribed to stay put with cat treats.

I too am blessed of slaphead forehead. We'd all have been court beauties in Elizabethan times smile

I would like to teach Jonas a sense of adventure / seizing opportunities - that the world is an exciting place and you're a long time dead; kindness and how to respect people (especially future partners be they male or female); a respect for nature; tolerance for other cultures; and a love of learning - whether academic or practical. I'd like him to have the confidence I only gained mid twenties after dubious relationships!

Who mentioned David Attenborough as a secret crush? - I luffs him!!!!

MM am v envious of your time off! Cheese and wine would have tempted me sod work connections grin

YellowWellies Thu 23-May-13 15:31:49

PR great blog post - I think how to spot and leave a bad relationship is also so important. Added to my list. Thanks wise quiche smile

Passmethecrisps Thu 23-May-13 15:36:31

Me! Attenborough the silver fox!

YellowWellies Thu 23-May-13 15:55:34

He crawled! For the cat envy

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 16:12:26

Temp is 36.9. This is ok?

PetiteRaleuse Thu 23-May-13 16:20:07

That looks fine chasing . I thought LO was a little warm this morning so took her temperature and she was 36.9.

Typical temperature is 36.8°. Fever is 38+

Not sure of the exact figures. If you take the temperture under the arm you need to add 0.5°

Cacacaz Thu 23-May-13 16:45:44

chasing 36.9 is fine temperature wise. 38 is a low grade fever. If M has a temp of 38 I give paracetamol.

Pass I usually ask for either some highlights or lowlights. Side parting with sweeping fringe and layers is my fail safe hairstyle.

YellowWellies Thu 23-May-13 17:16:55

Does it count as crawling if he doesn't manage to lift his arse? He lifts his torso and frog kicks his legs and has managed to travel 3 feet!!! The cat was like this >>>> shock shock

PetiteRaleuse Thu 23-May-13 17:58:17

I thinknwe haveto see a video of that cute little move in order to judge for ourselves. Sounds very sweet.

YellowWellies Thu 23-May-13 18:00:00

Am onto it PR a watched baby never boils or something.... envy

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 18:17:18

He's had 13oz today sad I'm stressed, massive headache sad Think it is teeth but I'm getting to the end of my tether.

ValiumQueen Thu 23-May-13 18:52:22

Chasing J had 17 oz on average during this recent illness. Has he been sick at all? Snotty? Coughing? Keep offering little and often. I have been feeding J two hourly at the moment. If worried call NHS24 and get him seen. Good temp is ok. Have you tried calpol or teething gel? Make sure you drink plenty and eat well and sleep when he sleeps.

Day 8 of sickness here and J is still very fragile. Asleep on my lap as cannot settle for coughing. No temp, more of an appetite, but vomiting with coughing. I am tired of this.

ValiumQueen Thu 23-May-13 18:54:00

Pass we need a pic of your hair. I could happily shave all mine off.

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 18:55:05

No other signs of illness. Have given calpol and teething gel. Think he has now got so overtired and over hungry that he doesn't know what to do with himself. P has managed to calm him down and feed him and is getting him ready for bed. I have ibuprofen, tea and matchmakers.

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 18:56:43

Yes pass hair pic please!

Poor J VQ. Is he being very brave? I think of him as the calm and brave type smile

Pikz Thu 23-May-13 18:59:49

LO and DP in bath together after a family day at the seaside. My heart has melted.

Big hugs to all... Am feeling very soppy and not even had any wine

PetiteRaleuse Thu 23-May-13 19:11:39

It could be sore gums chasing

vq I'm sorry J is still so poorly <hugs>

Any news from kyz ?

I have a very grumpy baby with very swollen gums this evening. She's starting to not like me leaving her in her cot. She's done all sleeping in the cot since birth so not sure why that is suddenly a problem. Only during the day. Night time is easy. Maybe she just wants to stay up with everyone else.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 23-May-13 19:12:39

pikz envy at the day at the seaside. Sounds lovely.

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 19:15:35

pikz that sounds lovely. You seem so content smile

Passmethecrisps Thu 23-May-13 20:03:51

Oh we do like to be beside the seaside!

Poor little O chasing.

Before and after pics taken. Think I prefer before hmm

Will upload After apple crumble

Passmethecrisps Thu 23-May-13 20:06:49

Not nice news for det on Facebook

BigPigLittlePig Thu 23-May-13 20:07:59

Om nom nom, apple crumble.

Pikz sounds v nice. Am not at all envy that you've had nice enough weather to go to the beach!

VQ wine - sounds like you need some of this.

YellowWellies Thu 23-May-13 20:09:53

VQ poor J and poor you. You've had it so very rough sad is there anything the quiche can do to help?

PennieLane Thu 23-May-13 20:12:23

I'm thankful for my lovely daughter, she's amazing. Today we went to a children's cafe and she had a whole mezze platter to herself. She's tiny but she loves her food, everyone wasshock felt really proud!

Feeling v inspired by all your hopes for LOs.

Evilwater Thu 23-May-13 20:18:37

It's still taking ages for N to go to sleep. 45 mins! Yep best so far this week, so WTF angry

Go to sleep N, please!!!
Evil

YellowWellies Thu 23-May-13 20:22:18

Evil Jonas takes 40 mins - 1 hour of BF and cuddling to get him to sleep every night. I figure he'll not be this little for long. It might just be what he needs? Is he sleeping better once he's down? I can forgive a long bed time if he sleeps well at night.

Det are you OK?

Pikz Thu 23-May-13 20:31:45

Finally catching up.

VQ and prince VQ I wish i could fix everything, I am so sorry it's taking such a long time to see him feeling betterthanks

I hope LO has integrity, retains his huge smile and sense of adventure. I hope like his father he is a gentle giant.

Hope kzy has had a better day

Det just hugs and wine.

Evilwater Thu 23-May-13 20:32:09

YW once he is down, then he stays asleep till hunger. He has always gone down in under 30mins. So this behaviour is new, also he is impossiable to get him to nap during the day. He gets over tired quickly confused

I'm glad to read that most people had a good night, and a good day.

Where is det hope she is ok. Also chasing I hope things are better.
Evil

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 20:35:37

Evil how old is N now? Is it growth spurt behaviour?

Detective talk to us misses.

Kyz if you're reading this I'm thnking of you. Well, even if you don't read this I'm think of you...you know what I mean....<gives up>

horseylady Thu 23-May-13 20:37:56

chasing today he's eaten about 35oz so far and probably vommed 30.

Fucking reflux and fucking finger food and fuck off.

If he's not vomming due to reflux, he's vomming because he's decided to gag on something. Sometimes he gags, sometimes he doesn't.

Today I'm fed up of smelling of sick and cleaning up sick.

The high point was vomming in my favourite shop. Everywhere. Then he laughed!!!

Evilwater Thu 23-May-13 20:40:22

chasing he is seven months. He's just starting rolling on his front and doing mini push ups.

Evil

Evilwater Thu 23-May-13 20:42:50

horsey I hope things get better soon.
Evil

ShellyBobbs Thu 23-May-13 20:44:40

Hope everyone is well. Sorry to hear about poorly babies.
Det ((hugs))

To put the sleeping issues into context, my first was a bugger, would only sleep in with us, fed all night and just general horribleness. The birth of her brother 22 months later helped a lot. She's now 13. At weekend we don't see her before 1. If she disappears in the day, she'll be in bed. She doesn't wake up in the night, music in bed makes her go to sleep and she eats twice as much as I do.

There is light at the end of the tunnel grin

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 20:45:25

Evil if I have learned anything this past 6 months it is that everything is a phase and things can improve overnight without warning and get worse again just as fucking quickly

Today I am very thankful that so many wonderful MNers gave birth in November 2012 and created this very special quiche. I have lurked on other PN groups and this one has something very unique about it. You will never know how much you have all helped me.

I am of course thankful for Oscar. He is just completely fucking awesome.

horseylady Thu 23-May-13 20:45:43

Shelly - does the vom stop??!??

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 20:46:25

horsey have you spoken to anyone about the vomming? Sounds like an awful lot.

Evilwater Thu 23-May-13 20:53:37

No worries chasing, we are all here for each other.
Evil

horseylady Thu 23-May-13 20:55:02

The hv who told me to feed more solids, less milk.

Which would be fine if he'd eat more than yogurt and maybe an Ella's kitchen or some homemade purée. Apparently porridge is no more. Finger food he loves playing with, but he gags, and then voms. And it upsets me. And he wants his milk. He's not even 7 months so I don't see the rush?

Currently keeping a food and vom diary.

ShellyBobbs Thu 23-May-13 20:55:30

Horsey with Niamh, the vomming seemed to stop when she was on 3 meals a day. Before that she would throw up absolutely everything in her stomach and because I was breastfeeding I was still constantly feeding her! It seemed to just all stop overnight.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 23-May-13 20:57:56

Shelly I hope things improved sooner than 13 years? grin

Evil tonight F began feeding at 6.45. She finished at 8.05 then took another 20 minutes of cuddles and rocking to get off properly. Plus a failed transfer or two. She has also suddenly become a lot trickier to get to bed, perhaps a phase?

I am thankful every second of every day for my beautiful, wonderful piglet, she is my world. And my dh is a good'un, even though he can be a pita on occasion. And I am thankful for locum GPs and their willingness to ignore practice budgets and prescribe and refer as they wish!

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 20:58:09

Ahh yes horsey sorry I remember you saying now. Must be horrible to see the gagging, O does it occasionally but luckily isn't a big vommer. Fingers crossed for you that it does get better soon.

Pikz Thu 23-May-13 21:07:35

Horsey L eats 3 meals and at least 35oz and still voms a tiny bit. It is a lot less than we've had in a long time but that is because he takes purée and porridge so well. We are finding the trying to crawl causing a lot more vom due to instantly rolling onto stomach after milk.

Am wracking brains for suggestions. We just got advised that it was the rsv and would go eventually.

Evilwater Thu 23-May-13 21:09:23

I hope this is just a phase, I'm doing a rapid return technique.

I love my N so much, I want to teach him so much. I want teach him how to be patient, up that money is not everything in life, but it's easier to cry in a BMW than a bike.i want to teach him how to be a descent man.

Evil

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 23-May-13 21:10:53

evil DS can take anything from 10 minutes to 2 hours to get down in the evening.

As I was on my own for bedtime this evening, it was the latter. Poor DD fell asleep in her bed waiting for me to finish dealing with DS so she didn't get a story or cuddle. sad

DS's antibiotics seem to be working, he's happier and eating and drinking more usual amounts. We appear to have dropped a bottle. He has porridge in the morning, an hour after first bottle, lunch at around 1130 of 3 cubes of veg and 2 of fruit, and a supper of the same at around 5pm. Once he is fully recovered, we will get back into dairy, wheat, and protein again.

Today I am thankful for my DH. I moan a lot to him and about him, but he is a wonderful man who loves us all unconditionally, even me at my most vile. He had a lovely day with the children today, I had a good day at work, and so today has taught me that our situation does work for us, and we are lucky to have that. <Resolves not to explode at snoring, deaf DH tonight when he fails to hear DS wake, or even DD, notwithstanding the fact he's in the same bed as her. Breaks resolution at circa 3am>

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 21:36:15

PR excellent blog post. I have bookmarked to read the rest of them.

daisychain76 Thu 23-May-13 21:42:47

Madam your dh sounds lovely. Sorry to hear there is so much illness round and so little sleep. Totally the wrong way round.

Evil H is another one who takes 45 mins/an hour to settle. l have tv on very quietly and time it so l can watch The Big Bang Theory on E 4+1!

I am wondering if prem babies have sleep regressions, etc to their corrected age as H seems to be at the same stage as a lot of the others here.

Can‘t quite get David Attenborough as a secret crush, but it reminded me l was a bit obsessed with Michael Palin the first year l had ds1! Must have watched his Around the World in 80 Days about 10 times blush

Love reading peoples hopes for their dcs. l think l would like mine to keep their sense of enthusiasm and sense that things are possible, to be compassionate and thoughtful, to stand up for what they believe in and follow their passions, but not at the expense of others.

YellowWellies Thu 23-May-13 21:49:11

Woo yes Michael Palin too! smile

PetiteRaleuse Thu 23-May-13 22:05:47

Thank you blush

Kyzordz Thu 23-May-13 22:31:26

Hey all. So sorry to read of poorly babies, hope they all get better soon

thankyou for more kind words yoy are all lovely, really fucking lovely. Since her meds elyza hasnt stopped breathing. Over 24 hours now! She is also arching less and is more content. Yw her cot is on a tilt, she is kept upright for 30 mins after a feed, anything less and she voms atm. Having said that she has only vommed twice since the meds compared to 16 times the day before and 8 hours she was nil by mouth so thats a fair bit of vom. She is breastfedm my mum says thankyou from the bottom of her heart for your knowledgeable advice and for the lovely thoughts from you all.

Mum is concerned elyza is snotty and congested yet her swabs say no viruses, plus her blood oxygen levels and heart rate drop really low when she is in a deep sleep.

eric has been such a good boy considering and clearly misses his food as 8oz bottles go in a record time of 4 mins. Bless him he is used to me being his primary carer but it has bern dp and mil plus his routine has gone to pot because of hospital visits etc

hate it when he gags and esp if he voms. Hope he hasn't forgotten how to eat!

Dixiebell Thu 23-May-13 22:39:27

I'd like my boys to find what fulfills them and makes them happy, and for them to love their mummy always. grin

ValiumQueen Thu 23-May-13 22:47:13

kyz snot goes hand in hand with CMPI.

horsey I think he needs meds to help with reflux now solids are in the picture. I would cut back on solids and see your GP. It is not like you to swear like that, even on a Wednesday (((hug)))

Thank you for your kind words about Jacob. He is mostly very brave, but can scream fucking loud with the fucking reflux.

I am thankful for this quiche but little else as I have had a fucking awful day. Reflux back big time. Awful. Appetite better today, and with it comes the demon reflux. I will be seeing the Dr tomorrow and getting this sorted once and for fucking all! So fed up with his treatment.

I still feel pretty rough. Earlier J was finally asleep on my lap and I was coughing so hard I ended up sitting in my own piss for 45 minutes. Bloody horrible. I will ask Dr to check me over too tomorrow I promise.

I have realised that life is too short to wash shitty toddler pants. Boo continues to poo in her knickers, so I cut a pair off her tonight. A princess pair. She was mortified. I had to be quick though as J was hysterical and DH at work. Maybe she will think twice about dropping her load next time. (They were hand-me-downs)

And DD1 dropped DD2 on her head. I nearly shit myself! How she did not break her neck I do not know.

And DH is tired. <<resists temptation to do a Dexter>>

ValiumQueen Thu 23-May-13 22:48:00

I want my kids to grow up and leave home grin before I go senile.

YellowWellies Thu 23-May-13 22:53:55

Kyz, Mummykyz and the two wee Es - sending lots of love and hoping you're all home soon.

VQ gorgeous lady time for the big guns - get omeperazole. I'm on it too now and its good shit! No side effects of note here.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 23-May-13 22:55:45

I'd like both my girls to grow up confident, independent, respectful, loyal and kind. Just like their mum smile

Tonight's going to be interesting. E pulled her tube out right after bath time which is before her bedtime feed. It was a bit too late to take her to the hospital to get it repassed. DH was working late and I couldn't face bundling them both in the car to the hospital so I'll take her first thing. So far she's stayed asleep all evening but she will be skipping 2 tube feeds so I'm not expecting a great night.

You can all share my sleepy dust. Night night.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 23-May-13 22:58:53

vq sorry you are having a shit time but your comment about your kids leaving home really made me smile.

PurplePidjin Thu 23-May-13 23:22:42

<<hugs>> and brew all round.

R woke about 15 minutes before i got in from work so hoping for some kip before next feed. Except i chucked myself down the stairs just now and my arm hurts angry

ChasingDaisy Thu 23-May-13 23:40:06

Last night he managed 7 hours, tonight 2.5....sad

GTbaby Fri 24-May-13 00:47:36

Today I laughed at the comedic value of kids.

Asked SIL to hold LO while I checked our dinner. He puked all over her.
While I went up to get her a change of top she changed his baby grow. N thought she would change nappy while at it. He then did a wee on her. I couldn't stop laughing.
She then bathed him. As she took him out of the bath I was thinking come on baby, Mk it the triple. Poo on her. Lmao. Evil laugh.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 24-May-13 03:52:35

I haven't slept yet. Currently sat downstairs with a wide awake baby. She is so bloody windy. I'm sure it's that keeping her awake, as she's writhing around and drawing her legs up. I've tried her on her sides (both), tummy and back, I've massaged her tummy, she's got a clean nappy, she's even had defrosted EBM so she's def not hungry anymore confused.

Dead. Man. Walking.

VQ sounds dreadful.
GT grin

TheDetective Fri 24-May-13 04:09:27

Just had 8 hours solid sleep with absolutely no murmurs til now. Took 40 mins to settle him mind. But yay! Hopefully that's me til morning now!!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 24-May-13 04:14:31

Well done O - please teach F how to do it.

PurplePidjin Fri 24-May-13 04:32:06

envy

Every 3 hours on the nose here. Although hopefully that gives me dp a lie in till 7:30...

ChasingDaisy Fri 24-May-13 04:32:50

pig sad

Dixiebell Fri 24-May-13 04:34:43

Well done O. BPLP, so sorry, hope you get her down soon.

On 2nd feed since 10.30. Only put him down just over an hour ago so I asked DH to shush him instead. DH got up, did a couple of halfhearted shushes then just stood there. I asked what he was doing and he said, I don't think shushing's going to work. So his technique is just to stand and watch Ted crying?! So I've had to get up and feed again. DH said I was just waiting for him to calm down. Well he's blatantly needing some help with that! Thanks for that one, DH. confused

BigPigLittlePig Fri 24-May-13 04:34:54

Even the cat can't keep his eyes open. He keeps faceplanting the rug.

ChasingDaisy Fri 24-May-13 04:37:23

No Luis tonight? I hope that means you're sleeping.

Lily311 Fri 24-May-13 05:08:23

I wrote a long post last night and as I hit send button mumsnet went offline. Grrr.

Sorry for poorly babies and their mummies, O still has cold but seems better. She woke twice last night, I can deal with that.

Social services was fine, i needed to sign a paper that I really wanted the court case for paternity. They were very nice and said the court informed them as it involves a child and they are fully supportive. I managed to keep it together.

Than went for a haircut, O was cuddled by some strangers which she loved. This is the child who screamed for 19 weeks when a stranger even looked at her.

No plans for today apart from backing up my pictures and videos. I'm terrible at it.

Thechick Fri 24-May-13 06:09:15

Daisy it's so hard whether to use adjusted or actual age with our babies. I think with H his sleep regressions have mostly happened with adjusted, I think most things are adjusted. He can only sit up for a few seconds, he's just getting the hand eye coordination thing. He's not crawling but can give a good shuffle and he's 7 and a half months.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 24-May-13 06:35:26

Ohhhhh yesterday was a roller coaster. I felt so drained at the end of it. We are undergoing a restructure at work and as you can imagine those who have jobs want VR, those who have to aspire to new positions are unhappy!

I asked for my enhanced parental leave and was told quite coldly I would have to pay back part of my Mat Pay, despite the fact I now have to o as DH has a new job. Que tears and stress at my desk drawling through the HR policies. I haven't got £9000 to give. Then another manager who I am friendly with pointed out I had asked for the wrong leave I needed a different kid of parental leave where I don't ave to reign. Que joy. In between that there was a massive ding dong between my team leader and my colleague, I escaped to Sainsbos at lunch to find other colleagues crying there it was a horrible day.

That is it in short.

Home for a bottle of wine and catch up with stuff on sky planner. My DH helps me get it all in perspective.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 24-May-13 07:09:40

I miss office politics sometimes sophia

I really need to rant about work but I don't trust here or FB.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 24-May-13 07:47:29

I will not miss office politics!

horseylady Fri 24-May-13 07:59:05

vq I think that's my plan. Reduce solids, see gp.

I dont think its an intolerance. I'm fairly certain it's not an intolerance. He's not in pain, his poo is fine. He just voms. All the time is feels. I'm sure it's not all the time.

I'm thinking of stopping finger foods though. Which is a Shane as he loves to play with it and is doing so well. I might post about it in weaning.

horseylady Fri 24-May-13 08:14:04

Sophia are you leaving your job? I missed that?!

StuntNun Fri 24-May-13 08:15:24

After last night there better be a brand new tooth coming through today. DH ended up sitting up in bed cuddling J for a while in the middle of the night plus numerous transfer fails, dummy reinsertions, Calpol and teething gel. I didn't realise that reflux got worse during teething but we're back to puking, back arching, pulling away during feeds etc. It's not as bad as before he was medicated but I had got used to not smelling of baby vom all the time. confused

BigPigLittlePig Fri 24-May-13 08:28:42

1 hour. 1 measly fucking hour of sleep last night. I have told dh in no uncertain terms, that he is taking dsd out of the house and entertaining her this afternoon so I can sleep when F has her afternoon nap.

I think half the problem is that she is starving hungry. I wonder whether I am producing enough milk now to sustain her. Introducing formula during the day will hopefully help, as I shouldn't be so (literally) drained by the end of the day. I plan to start on Monday. She can have some ebm at night in the meantime.

Stunt fc for a whole mouthful of teeth.
Horsey no bright ideas I'm afraid, but hope you can get some answers.
Sophia I hope the non-resigning option works out for you.

To cap off my shitty night, thrush is causing merry havoc not to mention pain, my right knee is randomly stiff, painful and swollen, and I have a crick in my neck.

fruitpastilles Fri 24-May-13 08:36:42

Hugs bp I don't know how you are functioning! I thought 2.5 hours was bad.
horsey S is exactly the same, I've never known a baby vom so much. I think I have got used to it now, but my mum had her yesterday while I went to the dentist and she said its not normal. I thought it would get better with solids but it hasn't really.
vq I hope you get some answers at the doctors, for both J and yourself!
How's Elyza today kyz ?
det yay for 7 hours!!

I had a bit of a better night with S last night, I am determined to get her out of our bed and so I slept on her floor, she actually slept in her cot all night, with just 4 wake ups that just needed hand holding, massive progress for us, I hope this is the start of her not screaming to get out of the cot!

thanks And brew to all those needing them.

fruitpastilles Fri 24-May-13 08:38:14

stunt your night sounds awful aswell, poor J

horseylady Fri 24-May-13 08:42:33

stunt I wonder if its teeth rather than solids then?

StuntNun Fri 24-May-13 08:47:40

Horsey once we started the IG there was a miraculous reduction in the amount of vomiting then it started to ramp up over the last few days until yesterday he seemed to be in pain during feeds again. He's nomming and gnashing everything in reach poor Sophie le Giraffe is getting the worst of it so it looks like a tooth may be imminent. My older two didn't have reflux but I do remember that teething went on for quite some time before a tooth actually erupted. HTH.

Kyzordz Fri 24-May-13 08:51:15

Sorry there were some awful nights had, on my way to the hospital now after depositing various siblings and eric at their various schools and eric is at mils.

Horsey are you stopping finger foods because of gagging and vom?

will update later. Feel like im gonna die. Least I remembered to get the chicken out for tea. Now, when to cook it because I'm sure there aren't enough hours in the day. Can eric gum some chicken if he is up when tea is done? How is best to offer it? Its just chicken and chips but I figured he couldnt have chips. And I have some puree to offer but all I have left is butternut and parsnip. Will see what happens

horseylady Fri 24-May-13 08:51:49

Yes the lack of vom has been the case for a while. But it's now back with avengeance! ESP so over the last couple of weeks. Coupled with chewing everything and his tongue doing funny things. That would make sense actually.

horseylady Fri 24-May-13 08:54:34

kyz he's gagged a bit before. Just not for a while. Yesterday could have just been that he put too much in his mouth. Who knows? I'm just fed up of smelling of vom!!

Anyway. I'm keeping a food diary.

ChasingDaisy Fri 24-May-13 09:48:33

Oh pig that sounds horrendous. I hope DH complies and you can get some sleep later.

Was planning to go out today but the weather is awful so looks like a day in for us.

Not a bad night - a couple of wakings before midnight but then slept 11.45-4.30 and with me until 7.15. Feeding much better today so will give him a small lunch of veg sticks.

horseylady Fri 24-May-13 10:09:24

Right drs on Tuesday. He's just eaten some porridge. A different type, quite happily? Babies are odd. I'm just saying!!

daisychain76 Fri 24-May-13 10:18:19

Oh dear pig, stunt and others with bad nights, hope you get to catch up on some sleep today. H was up every hour and l feel a bit off today so we‘re skipping baby yoga and staying in, making the most of the peace before half term next week.

DH is being sent out to Argos to get a new stroller ~ it‘s a mamas and pappas swirl with all acccessories for 50 pound, plus you get a 5 pound voucher for spending 50 pounds, so seems a pretty good deal and it looks cool

YellowWellies Fri 24-May-13 10:39:05

Horsey the tongue thing.... is he sort of chewing the cud / his tongue? If so that's a classic sign of acid in his mouth. Sigh its so sad that the best advice re reflux is ignore whatever your HV says sad good luck at the GPs

ValiumQueen Fri 24-May-13 11:05:48

Morning all. Sorry about shitty nights x

J slept 8.45 to 7.30. How the fuck did that happen? Snot and mucus seems less of an issue today. No squirting and sucking required on waking. Still going to Dr as reflux is awful. J is also doing the cud chewing and poking it out like he has dystonia.

Appt at 12.20

Asking for Omeprazole. And something that actually sorts his skin out. Should I ask for AA while I am at it? I actually cried yesterday when I saw your success bp Obviously I am pleased for you, but it reminded me of how badly we have been treated and how little I have been listened to. They are likely to have a very very angry VQ on their hands today if they try to make little of this. Fucking angry.

horseylady Fri 24-May-13 11:16:22

yw yes that's what he's doing?

What do I need to ask for? People in rl keep saying cmpi but I honestly honestly honestly don't think it's that? He's so happy. He doesn't have bad poos. He just voms. A lot. And will cry before he's sick? I don't know if his sphincter is still weak? And weakening more? Or what?

I really need to clean this house up. I just keep reading the Internet!!

YellowWellies Fri 24-May-13 11:27:24

VQ I'd ask for AA to save having to go twice and then you can put him on it if / when you think he needs it. It might be the omeperazole does the trick - it might be you need both. But it's less ball ache to minimise trips to the GP so demand both today. Healthcare shouldn't be such a lottery xxxx

YellowWellies Fri 24-May-13 11:29:35

Horsey I'd be inclined to think mild CMPI but I'd also be inclined to trust your judgement. The 'chewing the cud' is them tasting hot, sour tummy acid sad

PetiteRaleuse Fri 24-May-13 11:38:24

vq that's great news. You must feel so much more human

PetiteRaleuse Fri 24-May-13 11:45:28

I've just been shat on. Thanks LO.

ChasingDaisy Fri 24-May-13 13:28:20

Way to kill a thread PR grin