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November 2012 - When are they going to sleep through again?

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StuntNun Wed 15-May-13 14:40:01
PetiteRaleuse Wed 15-May-13 14:46:26

Hopefully by the time they go to school.

ChasingDaisy Wed 15-May-13 14:57:27

<stomps foot>

Mine has never slept through!

I want a sleeping one.

PurplePidjin Wed 15-May-13 15:25:13

Again? What is this Again of which you speak?


StuntNun Wed 15-May-13 16:04:27

Not even once Chasing? I'm sure J has slept through twice. I think it's twice, he definitely did once.

ChasingDaisy Wed 15-May-13 16:06:26

Nope, never. Longest is 6 hours and even then only a handful of times. Rarely get longer than 4/5 hours.


ValiumQueen Wed 15-May-13 16:19:02

J has slept through 11 times. I have not.

BigPigLittlePig Wed 15-May-13 16:19:33

F did it once, 10-6, so long ago that I can't remember when it was. Not even sure it was this year.

fruitpastilles Wed 15-May-13 18:40:46

It better be bloody soon! I neeeeed a decent nights sleep. S lured me into a false sense of security at 10 weeks and made me think I had a good sleeper, never been more wrong in my life!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 15-May-13 18:57:37


I neeeeeeed him to sleep. I've done exactly three days of work and I am fucking exhausted. And I have to carry on working FOREVER.

MsJupiterJones Wed 15-May-13 21:33:09

Mine's never slept right through. He had a short phase of sleeping till 5 but only for a few nights.

I am tired.

katkit1 Wed 15-May-13 21:45:56

Alexander has never slept through the night. Me and dh now split care - he does nights, I do days. Was quite ready to go bonkers with madness with lack of sleep.

Kyzordz Wed 15-May-13 22:39:44

Marking place. New phone, taking ages to get used to so please bear with me. What counts as sleeping through? 8 hours?

Dixiebell Wed 15-May-13 22:43:56

Never no sleeping through here neither.

TheDetective Wed 15-May-13 23:08:12


Dixiebell Wed 15-May-13 23:08:28

Well done Detective...grin

TheDetective Wed 15-May-13 23:10:08

O slept through for the first time at 16 weeks. He then replicated this for around 2 weeks. Maybe less.

I class sleeping through as once they are in the cot for the night, til 7 the next morning. I'll let you have 6am as sleeping through though, as in those 2 amazing weeks, he woke around 6-7am. Which was fucking AWESOME!

<Longs for those days again>.

TheDetective Wed 15-May-13 23:10:25

Sneaky fingers here!

TheDetective Wed 15-May-13 23:11:14

Sorry I should say, he slept through once, and then not again til around 20 weeks. Whatever it was, it was early April. So maybe 19 weeks.


kirrinIsland Wed 15-May-13 23:15:27

N has slept through (as in midnight or so til 6ish) about 4 or 5 times. There is no pattern to it - she just throes one in every so often to raise my hope and then dashes them by waking every hour for the next month

Kyzordz Wed 15-May-13 23:20:31

If doing a df means they haven't slept through e has only slept through about a dozen times. If the df is ok hes done it aalmost every night since about 8 weeks.

Really cant manage an entire huge post on this bloody phone until I am more used to it. What I wanted to say was e ate sweet potato puree!! Also he seems quite alot better in himself and was only sick once today. Still not drinking drinking properly but much improved.

Hate my body too. Erm... chasing hugs, sorry I don't know where the fucking stars are to bastard bold anything!!!

Give up hopefully ill manage more of a post tomorrow

Night all x

LuisGarcia Thu 16-May-13 00:50:14

I'm never going to sleep again, am I?

kirrinIsland Thu 16-May-13 01:02:40

Feels that way doesn't it Luis sad

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 01:12:00

Luis remember what you have said to us on several occasions - It does get better. They will sleep. Eventually

pass your post made me simultaneously laugh and cry. You're awesome.

I'm tired.

PennieLane Thu 16-May-13 01:20:06

LO slept through from 8 weeks until about 20 weeks, except for 4 month sleep regression for a few days. Those days are long gone and I'm scared I'll never see them again. The being problem is the nappies-on second change of night and each size 5 is full to brim (she's 14lbs).

LuisGarcia Thu 16-May-13 01:25:41

Thank you Chasing. You're right. <deep breath, tries transfer 57>

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 01:30:31

Agh sodding transfer fails. He always goes back down fine at night. I loathe to call it regression as he has nowhere to fucking regress from and he's still 2 weeks off 6 months. Need to go back to sleep so I can stop sitting here thinking of how much I really don't love P and how I've made a massive mistake.

LuisGarcia Thu 16-May-13 01:33:29

You ok?

Marking my place. Need to catch up on the end of the last thread

M is sleeping soundly, has been since 8:15 bar a feed at 12. I on the other hand have been laying awake for hours. Think I might get up and do some housework before this insomnia drives me mad sad

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 01:43:59

Thanks Luis I'm fine. Or trying to pretend that I am. Which can almost be the same thing if you try hard enough.

After transfer fail 4 I popped him down next to me and he's out like a light. No more sleep for me tonight. It's over rated anyway.

ValiumQueen Thu 16-May-13 01:45:39

Looks like I need to set up camp here for the night. J has our bug. Sore throat, copious snot, horrendous cough. No fever though thank fuck, but he sounds like a seal.

He woke screaming at midnight and I think has just nodded off on his changing mat. He was inconsolable so I brought him downstairs and woke DH for a second opinion. I always do this if I am really worried.

Managed to get calpol in him and then he calmed a bit. Put him in his chair and then he vomited everywhere. Changed him and tucked him up in blanket on changing mat on floor as he seemed happy enough. He had vomited a huge amount of phlegm.

I am on sofa, DD2 is in my bed coughing in DHs ear.

Oh well.

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 01:53:13

Oh VQ hugs and brew x

GTbaby Thu 16-May-13 01:53:29

LO has mummy n daddy back at night. Daddy is good at putting him to bed. So glad as it means sleep till 7am. What time he goes to bed is a bit hit n miss tho.
Today he napped till 6pm! At his 1pm nap on me didn't last very long. I needed the loo! N with my pelvic muscle going to shot recently I has no hope of holding on blush. Funnily enough. Transfer didn't wake him. Sound of my crutches did!
So ended up with a 3-6 nap. N seeing as DH if off work for a few days it doesn't matter. Lo watched the football with his dad. Made us laugh at his cuteness.

Luis you think about the sports Physio? It's a really good idea , 100% it helped me.

In 30years time we need to have had a big quiche meet up. Including all. No matter where they live.

ValiumQueen Thu 16-May-13 02:11:48

Thank you chasing. Gonna attempt sleep as he is settled. Hope you get some sleep too, and everyone else x

LuisGarcia Thu 16-May-13 02:20:58

Chasing be kind to yourself.

VQ hugs. G'luck.

GTbaby Have nearly decided to swim rather than run. Considering I live here and love swimming and hate running, I'm putting my decision to run down to sleep deprivation.

Transfer 57 lasted 15 minutes. Which is not bad for this last week.

LuisGarcia Thu 16-May-13 02:25:39

(hopes Chasing follows that link, doesn't care what anyone else thinks)

LuisGarcia Thu 16-May-13 02:35:09

That came out wrong, sorry. Man alive I need sleep.

StuntNun Thu 16-May-13 03:20:25

Ooh Luis that looks lovely. Definitely no running so you can enjoy the views. Lots of swimming and walking would probably be perfect exercise to strengthen your knees too.

Dixiebell Thu 16-May-13 03:20:43

DH is asleep beside me, grinding his teeth. Nice.

Bryzoan Thu 16-May-13 03:40:18

Luis - but you're swimming in the pool, right? Or in a very thick wetsuit? Sea is cold enough to give you a proper case of the Wednesdays at the moment.

Vq - sounds horrible. Hope you are all better soon.

Chasing - snuggle up next to o and sleep. Things will seem better. Then make a plan.

Bryzoan Thu 16-May-13 04:03:33

Luis - lovely about the babbling by the way. I keep being amazed by stuff g is doing that r either never did or did much much later. It is bittersweet. I am so proud of them both I could burst. G seems to find things easy, R has worked her socks off every step of the way. I will never take either of their development for granted that is for sure.

R's hip spica cast came off a year ago today (well, yesterday). Dh and i celebrated with really tasty duck breasts in a red wine and cherry sauce - sorry dieters). It has been a heck of a year for us, between g's arrival and finding out the extent of r's needs (up till the cast was off her paed was saying the hips and prematurity were most likely behind her delays and she would catch up - only her hip surgeon was saying the hips wouldn't hold her back that much).

I am very very thankful for the Internet, and for how easy it makes it to share support and info with other parents - this quiche and also hip and kabuki groups I am in have saved my sanity and given me so much practical and vital advice. I would be properly lost without it.

I am also very thankful for dh. Although he sometimes drives me to distraction I love him hugely and he is a great dad and husband and I'm so glad he's on my team.

And I am beyond thankful for my 2 amazing little heroes. But that goes without saying grin

Lily - sorry to hear your little one has more problems. Really great that you are getting the input so early though. Fingers crossed for you both.

kirrinIsland Thu 16-May-13 04:18:51

Proper case of the Wednesdays grin

Swimming is a great idea Luis Running, not so much!

Hope you are ok chasing You can fix that mistake you know. You don't have to live with it. Looks nice where Luis is!

thanks VQ Hope everyone is feeling better soon and you get some sleep.

4am is the new 7am in this house too. Dropped off the last thread as didnt have time to post...now I have oodles of it. When I should be sleeping.

She could be going into her own room. Now. Right now. The chatting is all well and good but when its high pitched, loud, and continuous I just canmot find it cute in the middle of the night. Need sleep.

Weaning going shit too. She wont eat. Just cries. DP talking today about one more. Haha. Not on your nelly.

Thechick Thu 16-May-13 04:33:58

LO has never slept through, five or six hours at most. It will happen one day, I'm sure of it. It's my sisters birthday today. I'm planning on making a Betty Crocker red velvet cake. I'm not a good baker and I'm cooking a late lunch for the family. Looking forward to it.
Someone on here, I'm not sure who it was posted something about being more accepting of our bodies as they did a truly amazing thing. was another reason to not bear myself up about continuing with the ww. Ill try and find it.

PurplePidjin Thu 16-May-13 04:44:36

He used to do 5-6 in the long stretch. Now it's every 2 hours. And it's food, not faff. Greedy boy here. 2 hourly feeds round the clock, plus 3 meals a day. Please start dropping feeds soon, dude sad

Thechick Thu 16-May-13 04:45:34

Here it is http://jezebel.com/how-to-lose-the-baby-weight-in-just-three-lightning-fas-5993518
But it very easy to take this to heart as I 'only' have 10lb to lose. If I had more I might feel differently. I am planning on losing it, just not right this very minute. I have a wedding in 4 weeks and wanted it gone by then but hey ho.
I would love another one, but only if I knew he wouldn't be a prem baby, if we were rich and I could stay at home and if I was a couple of years younger. I'm going to be 40 in November. So it looks like I'm stopping at 2.

Thechick Thu 16-May-13 04:46:23
MsJupiterJones Thu 16-May-13 05:32:34

Fucking hell. 2am and 4.20am. Exactly the same as yesterday. And not the usual 'I've woken myself up & need a hand hold/dummy to drop off again' but proper moaning wailing thrashing about until I fed him. Can't see why he needs it as even though he's never been a great sleeper he was regularly going till 5am before needing milk but given our problems with his weight I don't want to deny him in case it's a growth spurt. But I don't know, it doesn't seem like that exactly.

It's especially difficult as we have paying guests this week who I assured wouldn't hear L as he was quiet at night.

Gave up after 2nd feed as he wouldn't sleep again so we are downstairs watching Countdown. He is merrily dancing to the clock music.

Thechick Thu 16-May-13 06:19:34

Haven't been able to get back to sleep. Think I should get up and start on this cake but maybe breakfast and yesterday's episode of ER first

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 06:57:59

LO slept through from about 10 or 11 weeks for about four weeks. Since then she has slept through anything from once to five times a week. The older she gets the less often this is, and the last couple of weeks she's been waking up once a night demanding milk.

Excellent end to the last thread.

Pass grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 07:02:14

Luis envy

Today I should be going off to the mountains. You know, the weekend I have been trying to plan since my Christmas and New Year nightmare. We had planned a lovely four days in the Munster valley. It was going to be amazing, and good for the girls' lungs.

Well yesterday I cancelled it because of the sodding weather forecast. Amber weather warnings for the rain and storms right where we were going, and no sun at all over the whole weekend. Without the girls I'd have gone anyway - I don't mind walks in the rain. Without the dog I'd have gone anyway. We could have gone round churches and castles or something.

But spending the weekend cooped up in basic accomodation with no TV or internet connection with a wet dog and two pissed off, bored and cold babies? No thanks.

Fucking weather.

StuntNun Thu 16-May-13 07:27:30

<Authorises special extension of sweary Wednesday for PR>

Dixiebell Thu 16-May-13 07:30:09

PR, sad. Fucking weather. Anyone in SW have snow yesterday?

fruitpastilles Thu 16-May-13 07:36:06

Gah, posted at 3am but the stupid app must have lost it! Lost count of the amount of times I was up with S last night, we both have a terrible cold, she's reall snotty and bunged up at the same time. Can anyone recommend a good snot sucker? I have the bulb one that come with the tommee tippee health care set and its rubbish. I brought her in with me at 3 as I was to achey to keep getting up to her and dp is on nights.

pr thanks I'd really like for you to get that weekend away more than I'd like for myself to go away, you definitely deserve it!

chasing it must be so hard for you, I think deep down you know the right thing to do, it's just bringing yourself to actually do it, but you will, one day.

brewbrewbrewbrewbrewbrew To everyone who had crap nights, I myself am drinking a very strong one! I'm stopping in today so have the added task of trying to keep S a little quieter than usual so dp can sleep.

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 07:42:49

fruit our snot sucker is great. It has a long tube and you suck with your mouth. I cannot for the life of me remember what it is called. Ew! DH just picked it up to see what it is called and a big string of snot came out! Ew.

Anyway, it is called the 4 Little 1 nose clearer.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 16-May-13 07:44:24

No snow in my part of the SW dixie

Doing a dream feed made fuck all difference. DS still woke at 4 and wouldn't go back to sleep, so he's already has an hour long first nap of the day.

brew for others with crap nights

horseylady Thu 16-May-13 07:48:21

Dh slept in the spare room last night, not sure why. Anyway. He's out all night tonight. Told him I might not be home to see him. In fact I'd got no intention of coming home. Perhaps I should.

Interesting blog chick. And interesting comments. I accept that body underwent physical changes and to be fair im back in my 'normal' clothes. I'm happy mostly with how I look.

vq I hope your household is better.

Hope you all had ok nights. Ds did 11-5.45

fruitpastilles Thu 16-May-13 07:54:31

Ew pass lol. Thanks, I'm going to order one now.

Evilwater Thu 16-May-13 08:18:46

Sorry for not posting, but I have news.
I have been told we are going to move. Yes told, I'm not really happy about moving I like where I live. Well if he wants to move he can do all the leg work.

Baby evil is starting to like being on his front, yay!

I also have a lump, on my fanjo. It's been there for a few days and its not going away or getting smaller. Ill give it a week and see what happens.

Why am I always surrounded by bad news.

Thechick Thu 16-May-13 08:24:38

Horsey I can see both sides, the - I want to be back to who I was before I had a baby and feel like me - is very valid, but I like the side that allows me to eat cake guilt free!!! Lol!! I mean its all very personal isn't it. But reading that - for me - changed my mindset a bit and I felt that I didn't have to be so hard on myself for not loosing it n 6 months.

StuntNun Thu 16-May-13 08:24:56

Why don't you get a say in the decision Evil? Is it a work thing? DH has been asked to move to Trier in Germany but he has always refused (so far). Eventually he will have to do at least two years in another country so we may end up in Trier, Geneva or Montreal. I told him I draw the line at Japan though, I don't think I could handle such a different culture and it would be very hard for the children. Are you moving a long way Evil?

Thechick Thu 16-May-13 08:26:24

Evil Told??

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 08:27:06

Not sure what to think of last night.

Good: Only one night feed.

Bad: Multiple transfer fails at start of night. Four failed transfer attempts after 1am feed resulting in him sleeping with me from 1:30. No sleep for me from 1:30.

Yeah, I think bad wins.

Derective the sleep issues we are having now seem to be very similar to what you have been describing lately. As O2 is a few days younger than O1 it seems likely that it is a regression of sorts.

Thechick Thu 16-May-13 08:28:46

I would love to go to Japan. Was supposed to go for my 40th but had a baby instead.

horseylady Thu 16-May-13 08:29:23

chick whole heartedly agree!! The thing that took me a while to get is that I won't ever be the 'old' me because of what I've been through. Ill not have life again. Which is fine. I've got an equally good 'new' me smile

evil where too? stunt dh got offered a 12 month secondment to Germany. We were just starting to get the wheels in motion when his mum got ill.

Evilwater Thu 16-May-13 08:33:01

Dixie- we had snow on the moor. It's about 15 mins drive away, I can't see what the fuss was about they always get snow.

It's a work thing, as he is running out of work space for his business. The thing is if the MIL left then he could but up more sheds against the house. But no he needs her! As for distance it can be anywhere, just even a couple of roads over.

Oh, and I have to work to sort out the paper work for me going back as part time. Joy. So I better get LO and I ready as N is staying with my mum.

Pikz Thu 16-May-13 09:09:58

If anyone knows what my LO wants can they let me know. I can't work it out.

We seems to be in development leap central.

Last night he woke at 4.30 and flipped onto front in grobag and was trying to crawl up cot to Ewan. Ended up in my bed as I needed more sleep. He slept til 8.

He is the worlds most frustrated crawler, I almost want him to be on the move as it would stop the crying!

Pass excellent post in old thread!

Luis envy

Chasing and VQ big hugs x

katkit1 Thu 16-May-13 09:19:18

Will take a look at blog.

I have a v posh wedding to go to in July - Was feeling pressure to be mrs amazing in time for it.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 16-May-13 09:40:47

I will keep dipping in and out of old thread to try catch up but Im pretty sure it won't happen!

I took J to GP this morning to query the wheat allergy/intolerance. She thinks I'm a nutter. Short version is that she has never seen it show as a skin reaction and doesnt therefore think that's an indicator. However I have come away with a referral to paeds so time will tell. In the meantime I will avoid wheat as it just seems too much if a cooincidence that if I eat wheat J's skin reacts.

Last night was the best night I've had in months...

Midnight til 2.15am then 2.40am til 5am then 5.30-7

It's bad that the above sum total of J sleeping for 6hrs 5mins is considered good!!! I didn't sleep that whole time as I take ages to settle back to sleep and also need copious loo runs!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 16-May-13 09:49:55

Izzy glad you've got a referral. And well done J.
Luis very nice!
Evil make sure you let dp do all the donkey work. Moving is a nightmare.
Chasing brew

F lurves her toast. She tolerated the weetabix, all the while eyeing my breakfast, then when I cut her off a corner, her legs started going mental and she was panting with excitement. Only the crust was left once she'd got her dribbly chops into it.

Lovely day today - my gran is getting the train down to see us, and we're going to the gardens where me and dh had our wedding reception. She's treating me to lunch, nom nom. And not a trace of snow here, dixie - sunshine smile

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 16-May-13 10:28:26

E's best night ever (went from 7pm-7am and then back to sleep at 7:30 and had to wake her at 8am) coincides with DD1's worst night for a long time where she was awake from midnight till 3:30am. She was actually awake longer, I fell asleep and left her too it. So am fucking knackered. How's your luck!

Sorry no time to catch up, just wanted to mark place and have a rant whilst at it! Will catch up later....

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 10:35:14

Luis I had a look at rental prices on rightmove, just out of interest. Very similar to here it seems. Interesting.

Oscar has been sneezing and coughing a bit today and I feel very rough. Hard to tell if it is just lack of sleep though. Moan moan moan.

Your day sounds lovely pig smile

MissMummy1 Thu 16-May-13 10:36:27

There had better be no 6 month regressing in this house!!

Welcome back izzy smile

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 10:39:21


Hia izzy. Glad you got the referral anyway.

eilza that sounds harsh. Good little E though.

We went to docs to get the prediction for omeprazole filled. He has obviously never given it as syrup before as his response to seeing it on their list was "oo jings!" He was pretty relieved when I said I was fine with tablets.

pikz I am with you on the wish they would just get moving. P has been waking up because she can't help herself rolling over. She also stares longingly up the cot at the various creatures up there. She is extra hindered due to the raise on the mattress though.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 10:41:59

Back from the paed's. Her advice re sleeping through was more carbs, more solids... LO is 7 months in three days and she's not eating enough solid food. I had a bit of a Nestlé rant and apparently some children do prefer processed crap. In fact it is quite common, and I am not to worry about it. It doesn't mean that she will always be a fussy eater. Anyway...

She now weighs just over 8kg, but only 65 cm, so is still short and tubby, and she refused to show off how good she is at sitting up. She was friendly and smily though, so it's complete strangers that she doesn't like.

MIL has managed to piss me off via FB messenger. Smetimes I would like to close my FB account.

stunt come to Trier. It's a gorgeous city and Germany is very family friendly. Lots of English speaking doctors, and there are international schools in Luxembourg so you could live between the two. And we could have Ikea meet ups. Personally I'd choose Montreal, but only because I live near Trier and Montreal seems more exotic.

Geneva is good too but a bit far for an ikea meet up

<stamps foot> I want to eat horseballs with quichesters

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 10:44:03

Oh and Trier has the most amazing ice cream parlours. Amazing. Oh yeah and the cathedral, the river, the roman ruins, the shopping (fab, btw) and the nightlife but the best part is the ice cream. In fact I have been wondering how to fill our weekend with fun activities to replace my trip to the mountains and I think a trip to Trier to eat ice cream might be in order.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 10:45:02

And a lovely Christmas market. And the usual fruit and veg market is nice too. And the restaurants...

PurplePidjin Thu 16-May-13 12:00:37

Dp swears down he put R to bed on his front at the foot of the cot. When i went in for the first feed he was on his back at the head of the cot. He has also switched Ewan on twice - both times to harp, which is his preferred setting but that leg is closest to the side and not easily accessible hmm

ValiumQueen Thu 16-May-13 12:09:33

pr you quite like the place then?

pp clearly gifted!

J is one poorly puppy.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 12:26:47

Oh no VQ is he no better or is this something new?

Yes, I do like the place. Especially the ice creams. Did I mention the Trier ice cream parlours?

ValiumQueen Thu 16-May-13 12:40:04

He took badly in the night and is not much better so I dread to think what tonight will be like.

He is having small bottles every couple of hours and is keeping them down this morning, but his poo is so frequent and watery it is making his skin bleed. His cough is horrid and he is very snotty with clearly a very sore throat. He is smiling inbetween and is very brave. No fever to speak of but I have been medicating due to soreness.

I am absolutely shattered, lack of sleep last night coupled with grouchy baby. Two hours of trying to get a tired baby to nap has resulted in her now asleep in the car seat.
Was looking forward to some sanity in the form of my best friend coming for a brew this afternoon but she's just text to say she's full of cold.
It's probably not a good idea for her to come is it? M's already grouchy and I think teething. Should I say call next week instead? sad

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 12:49:39

Just re-read your night posts, that's horrible, and the irritation on his bum won't be helping. flowers to the prince.

Would someone slap my DH? I am strict on food and drink at the best of times but coke is a no no as far as DD1 goes. Normal right? She's two. Anyway DH just gave her a sip of his coke. Not the end of the world, a sip never hurt anyone. But RIGHT BEFORE NAP TIME? Caffeine mixed with sugar given to someone who has never had caffeine just before her nap? Seriously?

Well she wouldn't go down.

So I have made him take her shopping. That'll teach him.

ValiumQueen Thu 16-May-13 12:50:17

fatima I think that would make sense. Colds and small babies do not mix well.

ValiumQueen Thu 16-May-13 12:53:51

You are quite right about coke pr DD1 has never had any, but DD2 has as she is a sly little thief. Any cups or cans left at any height will get drained. Yet if she is offered any fizzy she will decline. She prefers it flat I guess. Or illegal.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 12:54:00

I would avoid if possible fatima . Can't protect them from germs forever but when we have the choice I would. Seven months ago I'd have said no, it's only a cold. But colds can be such arses, I have learned this year.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 12:57:34

It's just common sense isn't it? Why would he let her drink it? I asked him. He said well she wanted to try it. Of course she bloody did. She knows she's not allowed to. hmm

Well I hope he's enjoying his trip to the shops with her. By now they will have arrived and she'll be coming down from her caffeine high. That should be fun.

That's what I thought pr. She is grouchy and testing my patience as it is so I don't want to add a cold in to the mix if I can avoid it. She's already a bit snuffly and snotty, don't want it any worse.
Bugger looks like it's just me and her for the afternoon again smile

Sympathies VQ sounds awful

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 13:03:41

Oh VQ poor J. You and him have really been through the mill.

PR I bet he won't be making that mistake again!

ComradeJing Thu 16-May-13 13:15:23

Oh place marking.

Having snuggles with sleeping DS on the sofa. God I love it when the sleeps.

Kyzordz Thu 16-May-13 13:40:30

Poor j vq hope he's better soon

How long is too long to not be drinking much? E is still only taking about 20-24oz when he used to take 3
6-40 before he got poorly, and the doctor's said he had to have at least half but its been over a week now. He is starting to recover but drinking hasn't picked up, but it should shouldn't it? Oddly his enthusiasm for solids has improved the past few days

have more to say but e has woken up. He's forgotten how to nap since being poorly

PennieLane Thu 16-May-13 13:45:25

evil where to? stunt that's xciting! I'm intrigued as to what he does for that combo of places! Hong Kong still on the cards for us. We need to decide by 28th, I'm reluctant because I don't know what I would do workwise.

PR that's exactly what my HV said yesterday about more solids and more carbs. She thought I was too softly softly and LO hasn't cut down on milk. In the same way as I stayed at home for a couple of weeks to sort out breast-feeding, I'm going to do the same thing with feeding 3 meals a day and sippy cup. Will be worth it in long run. LO had a sort of grilled potato/veg pancake for lunch. Loved it. Tonight is veg and noodles.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 13:48:03

Kyz LO rarely drinks more than 27oz or so and 20oz is my goal for the day. Under that I consider to not have eaten mch that day. If he is getting more enthusiastic for solids he will also be getting nutrition from them. Is he drinking some water? Look up signs of dehydration and keep an eye out, but I think 20oz plus is OK. LO is 17lbs if that helps and has drunk more than 30oz once in her life.

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 13:58:44

kyz if it helps, O only has 20-24 oz per day. Is he filling up more on solids so needs less milk?

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 14:02:49

Poor, poor J VQ! Sounds horrendous!

It's fucking May! When will these colds fuck the fuck off.

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 14:05:31

kyz milk volume is entirely subjective and individual to that baby. Look out for signs of dehydration and offer as much as you can. What is fine for one baby is not going to be ok for another so trust your instincts. If he seems unwell and shows signs of becoming dehydrated then go back to see your doc.

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 14:07:16

Oh and weaning. My HV has always rescited the 'food is fun' mantra. Today with P a matter of days into her 6th month I was asked how many meals she was on now.

Meals? Eh? She is still just sooking spoons. Do I need to hurry the fuck up here?

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 14:51:07

Sorry, yep pass is right. The only thing you should compare E's intake against is his usual level.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 15:06:00

pass I was told to hurry the fuck up today with the weaning. But <shrugs> she's getting food and putting on weight so... i'm not going to stress too much about it. In fact I'm not going to stress at all.

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 15:16:09

We only started on Sunday! She is still not sure what she is supposed to be doing and what tiny amounts she has injested has already played havoc with her bowels - she is a martyr to her bowels! I will be chilled about it.

chasing perspective is also genuinely helpful! If I usually eat 3 courses twice a day but suddenly drop to 1 course it is likely to suggest that I am not feeling myself but I am unlikely to become very ill very quickly as a result. The change itself is as important as the volume and vice versa

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 15:19:17

I am taking weaning slowly here too. A finger food of veg at lunch and just introduced pear puree at breakfast. He had approx one spoonful. Same as P, it is already causing havoc with his bowels and I genuinely think he needs to get used to food slowly. I would rather take it slowly than rush and cause him problems. At the moment he thinks food is a fun game. Long may it continue!

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 15:20:43

DEFINITELY don't worry about meals then if you've only just started smile

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 15:34:23

It's weird though isn't it. The same HV was banging the 'wait until 6 months' drum together with the 'food is fun' drum but then looks slightly hmm that we are just sooking veg and flinging spoons about. I told her I offer finger foods and purée at lunch to see what she fancies. That is it just now. We will move into breakfast next week. Not sure what but we will give it a go.

It is almost like sometimes they forget their own advice

kirrinIsland Thu 16-May-13 15:48:20

Evil told you are moving??

VQ how's J doing, poor little guy?

pass N is just 6 months and only sucking on bits of veg and things. No meals at all yet. I am possibly being a bit too relaxed about it this time round?!

I know this conversation has been had ad nauseum but can someone remind me what green poo means! First time I've seen it. Should I be worried?

StuntNun Thu 16-May-13 15:48:39

I would be okay with moving to Trier PR, you've nearly talked me into it, although I've never studied German so I'd have to learn fast. DH is waiting for them to either force him to go or bribe him to go with a pay rise. If he said he would move there now it would be at the same pay. <Whispers to Pennie he works for a huge evil cigarette manufacturer.>

How quickly is the IG supposed to work? He's been on it for 24 hours and he was sick this morning but only a tiny bit when he was having tummy time. He does seem more relaxed during feeds, he's still wriggling but not arching his back or pulling away. Sleep pattern wasn't much different although he didn't feed for as long last night - 20 minutes each time instead of an hour. Does it work that quickly?

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 16:20:07

stunt it has an accumulative effect but you can see a result straight away. P fed more comfortably straight away because the thickened milk creates a coating on the sore throat.

Kyzordz Thu 16-May-13 16:24:10

Its his usual amount I am comparing it to which is why I'm not sure whether or not I need to worry. Solids wise it is hit and miss and depends alot on timing, for example he won't eat when sleepy. Today he refused breakfast because he was tired, had to offer it early because I had to go into town so it wasn't when I'd usually try him. But he ate a cube of sweet potato again then a little yoghurt for lunch. What I've been doing is always offering breakfast but do either lunch or tea depending on whether he is awake. It is still tiny amounts though! Doesn't seem to be enough to compensate for the amount of milk he is missing. I offer water in a sippy cup every solids meal time and he sometimes takes a little between milk feeds too.

He is 19lb 4 and 27 weeks and I'm not sure how the 20 odd is sustaining him! Was going to offer 2 cubes of sweet potato tomorrow but I don't want him to get bored of it lol! Its the only home made veg puree he has taken so far though. Plan was two cubes tomorrow then if he still eats it, add a different veg? I am fairly sure he won't eat say carrot puree on its own and I don't want to put him off by trying it.

sounds like your lo is doing great pr smile

Ugh what else was it I meant to say?!?

Oh yes izzy glad you had a good holiday!

stunt e had similar results as quickly when he had ig

YellowWellies Thu 16-May-13 16:48:13

Stunt I've done some work for various evil weed manufacturers - running climate models to investigate how climate change might affect growing regions, pulp supply chain etc. But I was smoking at the time and delighted by being able to smoke in meetings!

Pennie I lived in HK for nearly a year just before I met DH (running climate models for the SAR government to feed into China's national response to the Kyoto protocol) I luff the place. In terms of kids - lots of folks get local help to raise them whilst you get pissed at expat parties so its quite different. I would love it if we were still over there - would def want Jonas learning Cantonese (Mandarin isn't spoken widely). The food is to die for and it just buzzes 24 /7.

Fag companies and dictatorships - I work for the best clients blush yet its my work with the wind industry that gets folks most worked up - go figure!!!!!! hmm

Had great fun at Jonas' swimming lesson - he went underwater and didn't cry. Much giggling during the lesson then exhausted hysterics as I was attempting to dry myself so I dragged knickers and jeans onto a wet arse envy

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 16:53:43

Hate putting jeans onto a wet body. Bleaurgh.

P has adopted the thousand mile state - I hope that means that the Jumperoo has done its job and produced a jumperpoo

PurplePidjin Thu 16-May-13 16:55:52

R had fromage frais for lunch but then brought up exorcist amounts of vom this afternoon including what looked like banana which he hasn't had for days due to being bunged up. He absolutely loved it, could it just be too much for his system or should i worry? He's ok in himself, I'm pushing water and bm to get his fluids up but I'm off to work in an hour so vdp and my mum will be in charge confused

Oh and skipping work isn't an option - boss is off sick so if i don't go the whole youth club has to close

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 17:01:24

I used to do simultaneous interpretation for focus groups run by a cigarette company. I would be in one room and the group would be next door. I was doing a voiceover live translation for the marketing people - we were all sat behind one way glass. Everyone among both the focus group and the watchers would be smoking. It was my best ever job, I loved it when they called to give me an evening's or day's work. Good pay and unlimited free fags. This was about ten years ago. Would hate sitting in a smoky room now.

YellowWellies Thu 16-May-13 17:05:19

Jonas is bunged up after nomming chicken mixed with courgette yesterday, was convinced he was going to christen the pool but he missed the opportunity - will pop him in the jumperoo to see if he can bounce one loose grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 17:09:21

Just remembered a getting babies to sleep through tip I was given with DD1. It was to give them protein at their evening meal. Eggs or meat. I don't know why it would work, and didn't really need it with DD1 as she was a great sleeper back thennbut my friend swore by it.

Pikz Thu 16-May-13 17:13:27

VQ I am so sorry to hear of illness again hmm

Daddy back tonight...am so glad have missed him oodles and miss being a team. I am in owe of any single parents.

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 17:14:52

Gosh there are some intelligent people in this quiche. <feels inadequate>

Speaking of intelligent quichettes, stunt the book arrived today, beautifully wrapped smile Thank you. I will read over the weekend and pop it back to you.

YellowWellies Thu 16-May-13 17:24:02

PR yep protein is harder to digest so can knock them out - but if your baby has a sensitive tum it can cause belly ache - we've been told to only give meat at lunch at the mo. And no more egg until allergy paed appt tomorrow. I'm thinking he can handle breakfast and lunch now. Sooooo what to give a CMPI baby for breakfast. Any inspiration? Am hoping the doc OKs wheat as might try BM, weetabix (will check if soy / dairy free) and fruit puree - what else?

PurplePidjin Thu 16-May-13 17:32:32

Anybody know about the dairy thing? <worried>

Really don't want to leave my bottle dodger for 4 hours if he might dehydrate, he brought the last lot of water back although it was just the water and not the milk from 15 minutes before

PurplePidjin Thu 16-May-13 17:33:43

YW porridge?

Kyzordz Thu 16-May-13 17:35:31

Do any of the baby cereals perhaps not have it in Yw? What about fruit? Or toast unless it has cmp, sorry I'm not sure

StuntNun Thu 16-May-13 19:08:24

<Blushes at Chasing> Take your time as we seem to have things under control here temporarily although I'm nervous about moving on to lumpy food.

YW Ella's Kitchen porridge is wheat, dairy and soy free - my J luffs it.

J has been in a much better mood today, it's really quite remarkable how happy he has been. Only problem is, is it the IG or me cutting out eggs? I'm not sure what to tell the GP tomorrow, do I throw myself on her mercy and beg for ranitidine?

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 19:09:47

OK not great for constipated or tummy sensitive babies. Could be a tip for the others...

Night all. Having an early one due to bad mood and really wanting to read a book.

Talking of which, anyone who spent their childhood reading pony books a great book has come out about ponies and horses in literature.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 16-May-13 19:13:11

YW F has weetabix with ebm, and a square of toast to nom.
PP maybe it was a little rich for him, if he had never had it before? Sounds like you're doing all the right things though.

Lovely day out with gran today - although we're all tired now. We must have walked for miles around the gardens, with F in her sling as I forgot the raincover for the pram and it temporarily clouded over. Only to become hot hot hot, which was very noticeable with a 15lbs baby strapped to my front. Still, it was lovely.

For those who are still ebf-ing and have begun weaning - do you offer water at any meals? F is getting a little bunged up, but I'm not quite sure what the best thing to do is. Not that she's overly keen on water. Or anything out of a bottle. I did manage to get her to have 1oz of pear juice/water after tea (pear & blueberry puree which yes, does stain).

BigPigLittlePig Thu 16-May-13 19:19:17

In other news -
1. pussypig caught a bird and is therefore in the doghouse, which is a good job as...
2. I had a heart attack to find another cat in the house munching away on our cats food
3. I managed to hit Fs head on a ceiling light

BigPigLittlePig Thu 16-May-13 19:21:03

Stunt if it is the gaviscon working, then by omitting a few doses it should become apparent, as his symptoms will worsen (just hopefully not to as bad a degree as previously). I would ask for ranitidine anyway, as it is easier to give and less troublesome on their bowels.

YellowWellies Thu 16-May-13 19:25:08

Thanks for breakfast tips!

Wah my brain is mush - lovely farmhouse table arrived (EBay bargain) thanks to great couriers. But I totally forgot they were coming, had to pay by cheque as had forgotten to get cash out blush blush blush blush This comes on the back of having a shower and missing prearranged HV appointment - she ended up posting a card through the letter box. Oh dear god how am I going to write the freelance stuff I'm being asked to do.... shock

StuntNun Thu 16-May-13 19:28:11

Thanks BigPig, throw myself on the GP's mercy it is! I offer water in a a sippy cup with most meals. J slurps away at it but I don't know if he swallows any, it all seems to dribble down his chin. Amazingly J finished his bedtime feed in less than 40 minutes instead of his usual time of at least an hour. His feeds have really sped up today.

ChasingDaisy Thu 16-May-13 19:29:29

PR I spent my childhood reading pony books smile

PetiteRaleuse Thu 16-May-13 19:34:21

Ave pm'd you chasing

ValiumQueen Thu 16-May-13 19:36:41

J is still as rough as a badgers arse. Why is it that kids are ill when their daddy is working late and grandparents are away on holiday. Every. Fucking. Time.

He sounds and looks pretty dreadful but it is all in the throat and nose. Chest is clear I think. He is drinking little and often and poo has eased up. He is passing urine and remains moist but not as moist as usual which is actually a good thing. He can smile and is bright and alert. Sleeping frequently but for 45 min cycles.

But in the middle of the night you still think it is whooping cough or meningitis or croup. Even with number three. I fucking hate illness.

DD2 is still poorly and being a little sod. DD1 feels left out as she is not ill. DH is getting paid to go to the pub.

DH said I should see my return to work as an opportunity to rest. I could have throttled him.

ValiumQueen Thu 16-May-13 19:39:09

DH has started making dairy free bread and it is lovely with lashings of butter grin

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 19:41:44

pidj it sounds like he has overloaded his gut a bit. I am sure he will be ok once he has cleared it.

YW I spent an age in Sainbury's label checking the baby cereals. Organix cereal has no milk in. The Ella's kitchen porridge looked great but warned that it might contain milk. What about whizzing up some porridge oats and mixing with BM? Can he have porridge?

P loves toast. We have been buying sainsbury's organic store baked bread because it is delicious and P seems to enjoy it. Just white so far but I might try her with a bit of brown tomorrow. I spread some purée on it to soften it.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 16-May-13 19:43:37

F is doing a poo (sorry, tmi). Her face is like this - shock Poor love had just nodded off for the night too. Lifes a bitch.

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 19:46:07

Rest vq? I'd rest him alright!

Poor DD2 and little J. I really hope they improve soon.

Picked up the omeprazole. YW remind me how you administer it again please? GP seemed a bit confused by it. She has been prescribed 5mg

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 19:47:12

Hate snoozes interrupted by pooing. Never happens to me personally but does occassionally to P and to DH interestingly enough.

PennieLane Thu 16-May-13 20:16:43

PR and * stunt* that sounds wonderful! I'm imaging lots of Mad Men-esque scenes!

YW I do love the sound of HK but surprisingly the nanny thing worries me, what if we lose our bond?! Perhaps being stupid!

horseylady Thu 16-May-13 20:22:34

pp just to say don't panic!! Ds here regularly voms entire bottles. Literally the whole bottle. I leave him and he's fine. If he was constantly being sick I'd panic more. It worries others far more than me now.

vq just hugs. Huge hugs. I'm so tempted to fly up and just help you out!!!

stunt we had an instant effect with ig. We do vary amounts. He's never had the full amount as he gets soooooo constipated on it. So yesterday he had more as he was really quite refluxy but today and normally he has a full dose at breakfast at lunch then sometimes one sachet in the afternoon and if necessary one sachet at tea. He never has one before bed. Just lately we've only been doing breakfast and lunch. Yesterday he had each feed. He just vommed a lot!!

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 20:23:54

Me too pennie! Did they not do a thing where a psychologist talks over a panel of people led by Peggy? All the smoking and drinking and shagging looks very glam. But probably wasn't.

YellowWellies Thu 16-May-13 20:26:32

Pass are they 10mg tablets? If so snap the tablet in half (to allow the MUPS contents out), add both halves to 10ml exactly of cool water (measure out with an oral syringe) stir vigorously for a minute or so to mix evenly then syringe up 5ml and give to p. Don't let the mix sit for more than half an hour before giving - as the meds will come out of suspension. Also if she voms within 30 mins of having the dose she can have it again so keep a note of the time administered. The safe dose is 2mg/kg so Jonas who is 6.5kg can have 2 doses of 6.5ml a day.

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 20:30:16

Awesome YW. This is what the paed said but the GP seemed a bit perplexed. P is 14Ib. 5mg/ml seems to make sense - paed said he wanted to make it a measurable dose. So does 50% of the tablet basically get thrown away?

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 20:31:18

And we only have bloody 1ml syringes. Arse. I might try her with a medical spoon.

YellowWellies Thu 16-May-13 20:38:03

Pennie that would put me off too! Lots of expat kids' first words are in Tagalog or Spanish depending on where their nannies came from. I also found that many expat kids were materially spoilt / a bit brattish.

It's an amazingly multicultural place and kids growing up there have friends from so many cultures but it is tough work wise - loooooooong hours - 12 hour days MINIMUM, you have to pay for docs appointments and being off sick from work is very frowned upon, there is no social safety net so see a lot of poverty (there are folks living in cages in the poorer parts Kowloon side) and its very status / money orientated which I found a bit crude.

I'd go for a couple of years but not long term - I was offered a permanent job by the EPD (environmental protection dept) but declined.

I missed seeing the stars at night - though if you lived on one of the quieter islands like Lamma or Cheung Chau you'd see stars. I was living in Taikoo on Hong Kong island east. I was pleasantly surprised by the beaches, rainforests and hiking.

YellowWellies Thu 16-May-13 20:43:30

Pass nope add both halves of the tablet to 10ml of water, mix, dose and when done (keep the liquid for half an hour in case she voms any up - we mix in an egg cup) chuck the remaining liquid away. Or mix 5ml with 1/2 a tablet and give her all of the liquid you've mixed. I tend to do the former ie mix both halves of the tablet in 10ml as they can be quite tricky to break into two equal halves iyswim? Get some 5 or 10ml oral syringes from the chemist tomorrow if you need - they give them for free.

MsJupiterJones Thu 16-May-13 20:48:32

YW I make porridge fingers with normal porridge oats. He hasn't eaten any yet but it's an option!

VQ I am hmmshocksadangry at news of poor J's illness and DH being a wanker. How are you feeling yourself now illness wise? Hope you all get a good night's sleep & wake up feeling better.

My iPhone now knows to capitalise VQ, YW, BPLP and assorted others on here. Clever thing.

TheDetective Thu 16-May-13 20:50:25

I think I am in a right grump. Help!

VQ Poorly babies sad fucking bugs. And as for a rest at work. I hope you put him straight. With colourful language. I swear some people are stupid. hmm

Stunt glad to hear some difference for J with the IG. I can't remember how quick it helped - although he had the ranitidine first. I added the IG once he stopped the thickened feeds to help with the vomiting. I'm glad you posted about the mesh thingymabob, I've mentioned them a couple of times, as I figured they could be useful. I'll get one, as O had a hell of a time trying to grab a banana yesterday. Was rather amusing to watch. The dog enjoyed it too hmm.

Pidj I would think that it is okay if he seems otherwise well. O has vomited up what looks like banana when he hasn't had it for days confused.

YW I've been mulling over breakfast ideas. My first one is this porridge/fruit recipe which I thought sounded nice - but that is assuming he is okay with porridge? Are these suitable porridge oats? They are milk/gluten/nut free. I've not thought too in depth to be honest. The other one is toast and fruit, or fruit with home made yoghurt.

My grump: I'm a bit 'over' going to baby groups at the minute. One of the mums is really getting on my nerves. Might try a different centre. D'ya know she told me O's clingyness and sleep regression is down to me picking him up too much and not just putting him down. I'm not sure how I contained myself grin. I was so very restrained! Very fucking restrained!!!!!! It was a good job I was fucking knackered and didn't have the strength for more than a 'I don't think so'. Her baby also had reflux don't you know. And he sleeps. And eats. And blah blah fucking blah. Oh, and no one elses baby has ever sleep regressed. I just got blank looks. sad Thank fuck for you lot, or I'd be questioning everything I've ever done I have been but able to rationalise that we can't all be doing it wrong.

Then everyone was talking about weaning. And I felt upset, as I feel weaning is a bit ruined for O now. Everything I had planned has been vetoed. They were on about all the things their babies could have. O can't have them yet. And this same woman going on and on about how her 9 month old eats everything and anything, and why don't I try this, or that. I kept saying, no O can't have that, it has milk in it. No it doesn't she said (pizza!!!). Yes it does. And on and on.

I was a bit angry after 2 hours of this. I'm sure you could imagine.

On the nice side we did messy play with food. O had his hands in jelly and angel delight (made with water!) he screamed his head off, he hated it so why make so much mess with weaning then O?! I think it was cold and wet and he didn't appreciate it! He enjoyed tipping a big mixing bowl full of rice crispies all over me though pulls stray crispie out of bra. Be finding those fuckers for the next 10 years no doubt.

Then I got upset as I feel like O doesn't want me anymore. He doesn't want cuddles, he just beats me up. He doesn't even want to look at me when he's out in the pram. hmm

Fucking hormones. I'm generally feeling a bit low. Not like me. I think I'm just tired, and wanting to eat pizza.


Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 20:52:44

You are a superstar YW.

I was so convinced her reflux was under control that I have been ignoring symptoms. Today at lunchtime she was nomming her veggies then wanted milk. She smiled as I took the bottle out and got excited as it was being prepared. Then I tried giving it to her and she was a screaming mess. When I gave her the ranitidine she actually grabbed te syringe and sucked on it. Poor soul was hungry but couldn't eat. She does that almost every day. I don't know why I didn't see it. Why am I so determined to convince myself there is nothing wrong with her?

TheDetective Thu 16-May-13 20:53:15

My iphone still hasn't figured out shit fuck cunt and wank. Not sure why? grin

TheDetective Thu 16-May-13 20:55:00

I don't know pass I seem to teeter between the two. Not wanting anything to be wrong, and wanting an answer to the symptoms he shows.

I used to break the tablet in half and mix with the 5ml of water. Be warned, it doesn't dissolve well - that's normal.

Get the syringes from the chemist tomorrow, like YW said, they are free.

YellowWellies Thu 16-May-13 21:02:33

Pass you and me both hon - if he's squeaky I'll always want to think it's teething - I guess I just wanted him to be one of those who are growing out of it by six months. sad sad sad

Det although I whine about it, I feel lucky that I'm dairy and soy free myself as I already have a pretty good idea of what foods are safe and there is fun stuff. Pizza ROFL you get that all the time - insistent waitresses assuring me that eggs are but cheese is not dairy. Because cows lay fooking eggs eh?! Sorry to unnerve you but I'm pretty sure angel delight has milk in the powder - check the ingredients - I know I can't have it. I've only found one 'toastable' bread I can have but its brown - reckon he'd be OK with toasted bagel?

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 21:04:04

Would you like a kipper det? Not sure it is you who needs it mind you.

Let me pick this to pieces.

Woman at your group is a moron. Smile at her and move on. I have has the "reflux? Oh yeah, my baby was sick all the time as well" type comments but I either lay it on shamelessly awfully thick or I smile and get into an interested medication chat. Start that kind of chat should either scare her away or bore her rigid. As for the 'clingyness' thing. Well she can just fuck off. WHY do people feel that all babies should have the same personalities? Why, why, why? Why is a bit of social reluctance seen as a flaw? It's a fucking survival mechanism!

Ok with that? Don't let one moose put you off if you enjoy the rest of it. The mix of people makes such a massive difference.

And on to O. He is a massive bundle of energy who is exploring and learning about his world. Sitting having lovely snuggles is just no going to cut it I'm afraid. You have created a confident little boy who feels safe and secure enough to face the world. That is to your credit.

horseylady Thu 16-May-13 21:07:51

det smile. They're probably just wanting to help. But being infuriating!!! You don't have to justify anything. The best piece of advice I was given is listen to what people say and say 'ill try that thanks' and don't!!! Or if it see a useful then try it.

Babies do not need to be on three meals a day yet. Nhs guidelines suggest between 9 and 12 months they should start heading towards three balanced meals a day. I offer three a day. He typically has yogurt or porridge for breakfast. Maybe toast.. Finger foods at lunch . Cheese, oatcakes or bread, then salad bits or veg and a fruit. I don't think he eats much, if anything. Tea he has purée if he's in the mood and something off our plates. Or not. Again he doesn't eat much. Maybe 50-60g? He's still offered 5x 10oz bottles. He generally eats most of the bottles.

If at 12 months its still the same, ill reasses. I don't think it will be though. It's still 5 months away. Look how much they've changed already!!

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 21:12:24

Me too YW. I had completely convinced myself that it was all gone. I have actually gone back over the run up to her hospitalisation and convinced myself that I misinterpreted the symptoms and maybe she was just over tired or had wind. Genuinely! I have told myself she was in hospital with wind. This then leads to me being sure she is on meds she shouldn't be so I lower doses here and there until she is poorly again and I feel awful and back up it all goes. The paed was brill but I came out feeling really bad. GP and HV looked pretty sad about it too as they both knew about the ongoing refusal and we all just shrugged our shoulders.


Not the end of the world.

TheDetective Thu 16-May-13 21:13:33

Thank you <wipes away pathetic tears--. I know I'm just being hormonal. Really not like me, I'm usually quite confident!

I guess O is pretty independent when the reflux isn't bothering him. He is very interested in life - everything and anything except me and DP really! I shouldn't take it to heart! Does anyway like a dickhead.

YW yes, I think it does too, but as it was just going on his hands, and I think his intolerance is mild, I gave it a shot as I don't want to look like the crazy mum who's child can't touch or do anything!. He didn't like it the second he touched it anyway, and broke down hysterically!

TheDetective Thu 16-May-13 21:14:48

You aren't alone pass. I feel neurotic these days.

I know I am not. But I still think I am.

I think I have split personality!

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 21:14:52

horsey that makes a lot of sense. Thank you. P currently thinks that being given funny trees and spoons with slimy stuff on is the most fun game ever. I would like to keep it this way for a while

TheDetective Thu 16-May-13 21:18:13

YW Could I be a lazy ass and ask what things you have found to be at least dairy free so far? That would be suitable for babies obv! grin

Even if it is just pasta/bread. I am wanting to get O started on these next week. I was about to have a scout around - but if you know, please share! grin <Lazy ass>.

I have now lost 12lb in 3 weeks. I feel very grin about this. I want to get another stone off in the next month. I need to be back to my post pg same as pre pg! weight! And then I need to carry on losing.

I feel so much better right now, more energetic and my activity levels have increased thanks to fat shreddage.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 16-May-13 21:20:45

Ditto what everyone has said. It's easy to get lulled into a false sense of security.

Det thanks - get it all off yer chest, tomorrows another day etc etc. It's a little irritating when people start spouting off like that.

Forgot to mention, I saw something amusing today, which reminded me of PRs dd1, and other belligerent toddlers. 2 mums and 2 little girls, perhaps 3 yo, sat having a drink and a cake. The little girls had finished and were bouncing around on a sofa. Cue mum 1 saying "sophia, sophia, sophia don't do that. Stop bouncing, no, don't put your feet there, no, sit still, SOPHIA" and culminating in "do you want me to take you back to the car?" To which sophia replied "yes". And mum 1 looked like this shock

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 21:23:03

Lol det. Me too. Did I mention being at my parents with my sister and her baby? Her baby has been on solids for a month or so and loves his grub. He troughed a whole pot of some fruit purée stuff then downed his bottle. I could feel the eyes all on me with my baby who at 6 months eats no solids!! So, at lunch p cried to be on my knee so I had her koala style while I ate. She reached out quick as a flash and tried to stuff my spoon of icecream into her mouth. My dad commented "not ready, no?" And there was a sort of expectant silence. I knew they were all waiting for the moment when I happily spoon ice cream into the mouth of my delighted baby. I had to say "I would, but it's cow's milk" and I knew/thought I knew that there eyes were internally rolling. "Typical passme being all dramatic!"

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 16-May-13 21:25:21


J ate some ridiculously smooth couldn't be called solids if you tried solids today!

Baby rice mixed with EBM so it was ridiculously thin and watery but hoofuckingray!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 16-May-13 21:25:48


Pass FIL suggested I give F a chunk of roast beef last night. I was a bit like, "errr we've just started on pear puree and a bit of sweet potato, I'm not sure roast beef covered in gravy is a great idea" - I could sense the rolling of eyes. But she's on solids, right? So that means any solids, doesn't it??! No?!?

TheDetective Thu 16-May-13 21:29:00

<Plings elastic bands in to faces of dumb ass well meaning but still dumb ass people>

Pling pling pling pling!

PennieLane Thu 16-May-13 21:29:13

Spanish would be ok as I'm fluent! Save me having to teach her... I think all the things you've said are why I'm not keen butIt would only be two years tops. I might be able to work in my organisation's HK office (NGO so no long hours culture there!) but I'm seriously considering staying at home. So many things to think about.

There definitely was a cig testing scene with Peggy!

thanks To all those navigating weaning and reflux, makes something hard even harder. Soon our babies will be one and these days will seem very far away. det I'm over baby groups at mo too, I've got nothing left to say to people!

TheDetective Thu 16-May-13 21:29:52

HOORAY J!!!!! Awesome! Keep it up!

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 21:30:39

Roast beef! Lolz! Did you know that the most common first food for babies whose mums are not MNers obvs is gravy and mashed potato.

Hooray izzy! gin oan yersel wee man!

BigPigLittlePig Thu 16-May-13 21:33:43


TheDetective Thu 16-May-13 21:35:33

I can believe it too pass.

A sad story - can't say too much, but I used to work as a support worker to young mums just like me. One mum who had her child later removed, confessed to me that she gave him prawn cracker dipped in chicken and sweetcorn soup for his first food. At 8 weeks.

I cried inside. That poor little baby. sad

BigPigLittlePig Thu 16-May-13 21:36:56

DH asked if he could give F a prawn cracker for tea tonight

Evilwater Thu 16-May-13 21:38:28

Damn MN!
Sorry about not posting more about the possiable house move. Cast your eyes over this ladies. I like this one, what are your comments?


We are looking for a place between plympton to Exeter. We have both expressed a interest in moving to Bristol/ bath area, but we have no knowledge of the area.


YellowWellies Thu 16-May-13 21:39:44

Pass Det <hugs to matronly but droopy bosom> feckers the lot of them (beloved family but still feckers). I get eye rolls when I have to tell the in laws that I can't eat anything they cook because label checking for just one meal is too fooking difficult so I end up with a plate of lettuce, cucumber, half a tomato, no dressing and a boiled egg ALL day whilst BF and they roll their eyes at indulging my 'faddishness'. With comments of 'Maybe baby wouldn't notice a bit of cheese if he doesn't see you eat it' (for real!!!! they clearly think he is just being fussy and can spot dairy visibly! grin ). If it didn't cause the wee crittur I love so madly, horrible pain, I'd eat their food and show them the reaction.

Det I'll start a list. But get into the habit of checking labels as ingredients change.

TheDetective Thu 16-May-13 21:43:03

Twunts yw bloody twunts. hmm

I'm spending a lot of time studying labels these days! It's a new hobby of mine!!

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 21:44:25

evil I think that house has loads going for it. On a personal level I think it would benefit from another bathroom and there don't appear to be any cupboards. The garden is lovely looking though, having a utility room and a garage is awesome and I like the slightly wacky architecture.

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 21:46:55


I think my mum would have been eye rolling to the max at me in Sainbury's. standing there label checking muttering to myself/P "may contain milk. Well that's no bloody use is it? Creamy porridge? Well that'll be off the menu, eh penster?"

YellowWellies Thu 16-May-13 21:47:00

On and baby groups with CMPI kiddies are a challenge - my sister gets lots of rolled eyes as she races to stop her toddler from nomming dropped / discarded biscuits and crisps from other kids at playgroup. Parents of kids without allergies PLEASE try to pick up after them - OK its a faff but easier for you to pick up after your one kid than for my sister to look for 20 dropped biscuits!! and better than a wee one having anaphylactic shock sad

YellowWellies Thu 16-May-13 21:49:08

So far he's reacted to 'may contain' and 'may contain traces' but not to products with 'made in the same factory' warnings....

Evilwater Thu 16-May-13 21:54:15

Thanks for the info Pass
I don't really want to move, but the MIL isn't going! It's been 2 years in that caravan, and she not leaving. angry MIL and his business would have the lower ground floor and our home would be the top.

Is anyone here a expert on fanjos??
I have this lump, which is getting larger and is now bleeding and leaking some puss. WTF is it?


Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 21:55:55

From what I can remember Ella's kitchen said may contain.

As a 22 year old teacher I took a boy recently diagnosed with peanut allergy resulting in anaphylaxis to Mexico. We had cards made up in Spanish explaining that he couldn't eat peanuts as he had an allergy.

On the last night of the month long trip we went for a nice meal. Card was handed over and after a few confused looks the waitress nodded confidently and took our order.

Boy took one mouthful of chicken, spat it out and ran to the bathroom. We waited outside for what felt like an eternity wondering if we should kick the door in on a 16 year old. Eventually he came out looking a bit pink. The chicken had been cooked in peanut oil. His tongue had swollen but he used his epipen almost immediately.

Turns out she hadn't understood the term allergy.

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 21:58:44

evil sounds like a blocked pore or hair follicle. I have had one and it was fucking agony. I could barely sit. Keep it clean and have nice hot bathsZ mine went completely within about 10 days.

Having a property which would split like that would make a lot of sense evil. Was there a WC on the lower ground floor? If so you could make the utility room as sort of mini kitchen and restrict te business to the lower ground completely.

Evilwater Thu 16-May-13 22:06:01

That was my thought, the property it's self is a few roads over. grin this is the only house I like so P will have to the rest of the work.
also thanks so much for the fanjo advice.

kirrinIsland Thu 16-May-13 22:07:36

Some of you guys have done some very intelligent sounding jobs. My little brain hurt just reading the description grin

What book is that PR ? I spent my childhood reading pretty much nothing but horsey stories and Enid Blyton.

evil no idea about the lump sorry, but a trip to the docs might be in order. Sounds painful sad
The house looks nice, and it should be easy to change that utility room into a bathroom for the mil.

pass that must have been scary.

N drank 10oz before bed tonight shock Bet she still bloody wakes at 11 though!

ValiumQueen Thu 16-May-13 22:07:47

Briefly popping in....

Thank you for well wishes x J is in his cot. I have no idea how long this will last. I am expecting a shit night. DD2 is attempting to cough up a lung.

Lump could be a bartholins cyst. A gland that can get blocked. Do not leave it long without getting checked. You do not want a big gaping wound down there. Good it is draining though.

Lots of good advice given tonight I see. Well done quiche x

Will attempt sleep now.

kirrinIsland Thu 16-May-13 22:09:55

Or indeed a kitchen! (can you tell I don't cook?)

Kyzordz Thu 16-May-13 22:11:52

Evening all! Not long till df so I'll be brief

det from photos and description s I sounds like such a character! Curious and confident and fab, so don't worry about the other mum/s. Well done on the weight loss by the waysmile

pass you didn't spot p being in pain but you were very busy trying to do the right thing and the gp didn't realise either. At least you know now. Sorry I'm rubbish with words but what I mean is it's not your fault

hope tonight is ok vq j is so brave bless him.

woohoo izzy that is fab!

I haven't used one of those mesh things yet but do have one so ill give it a try tomorrow perhaps with banana in.

Have sung a decent amount of milk into e today. It's such a ball ache but could be worse! He has had breakfast consistently most mornings since we started weaning again and either tea or lunch too so I am going to keep going with this. Might have to make more of an effort to have baby suitable foods and purees ready cos I struggle esp at lunch. Tomorrow is two cubes of sweet potato with yoghurt to follow for whatever meal he is awake for. See, not very exciting! Tea is some chicken and bacon stew thing so I might see if I can puree a little before bacon/anything else unsuitable is added. Guess if we are eating it and he refuses it its not going to be frustrating or anything!

If he eats sweet potato again what might be good to add to it? Parsnip? Or do I move on to something entirely different? People keep mentioning lentils, these are pureed still? Are they not grim on their own? I love lentils in stuff but haven't had them on their own before.

There was more but have to sort bottle so back shortly

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 22:19:36

<waits patiently for lentil advice>

Pikz Thu 16-May-13 22:24:52

<sits next to pass...offers a Percy pig whilst waiting>

horseylady Thu 16-May-13 22:31:00

Mmmmmmm lentils.........,

If you're puree then blend them. Not sure how well they'll go down. Shove it through a sieve which I'd do for soup. If blw then just cook them and serve!!!' I'm planning on doing a dhal. And a lentil bake.

Kyzordz Thu 16-May-13 22:31:52

Lol! Lots of posts whilst I took a miserably long time to post! Hope she sleeps longer kirrin

Go to the gp evil

Ermmmm. ..

ah yes, good night's all round I hope! Also I got some baby corn to steam smile will he just break off little kernels?

ValiumQueen Thu 16-May-13 22:31:55

Cook lentils with the veg baby has already tolerated ok. Or in a baby stock cube (suitable for feeding to baby not containing baby or indeed for cooking baby) if you want more variety. The way Js bowels are, he will NOT be having lentils for some time.

Kyzordz Thu 16-May-13 22:34:51

Thank you horsey I'm doing both but puree scares me less so ill probably try that first

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 22:36:46

<rams several Percy pigs in gob at once>

Nice one pikz! You can chum me in a line any day!

And thank you for the lentil advice laydeez. Am I right in thinking they contain iron? I might mix with a few veggies. At a later date.

Kyzordz Thu 16-May-13 22:37:21

Thanks vq theres a very small range so far of veg he'll eat but I shall perhaps give them a go soon smile his mealtimes seem pretty boring atm sad

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 22:38:19

Lol @ stock made of baby. Considering the face the cat pulled when she sniffed P's face earlier I am not sure how delicious that stock would be!

Kyzordz Thu 16-May-13 22:41:19

Baby stock cube?

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 22:44:54

Reeeeeeeeaally low salt Kyz. I bought some today made by Heinz. I found them with the baby food.

TheDetective Thu 16-May-13 22:47:32

I did carrot and parsnip - both of which he has had before, and whizzed in blender with some cooked lentils. He took that fine!

Boots had baby stock cubes and gravy - saw them today when I was idly wandering around!

horseylady Thu 16-May-13 22:51:36

pass yw det I get the meds things. I soooooo want him to be ok. And not need them. But he does.

I don't think I've told you this but it's helping me through weaning. When we eventually got him to realise that I was no longer feeding him through his stomach and he needed to eat milk, we started off giving him 5-10ml every 2/3hrs. While still offering the boob (ha!!!) anyway. After all these mws telling me his belly was the size of my thumb nail I suddenly wasnt allowed home unless he was eating 50ml per feed ideally 2 hourly. Then his amounts at home were to increase daily by 10-20ml. I just remember feeling so completely overwhelmed by this I called dh and cried. He was not very useful probably as it was a battle to get 10ml down him.

Suddenly though, he just started eating. And eating and eating. By 14 weeks he was having 50 oz a day. Yes broncolitis and other stuff has seen his eating change but its picked up again.

I was hugely worried about introducing food as our routine had been just so for ages. But things change. He starting to eat more. Slowly and in his time. Trust your babies. The majority on here will be just fine. There are exceptions (hv told me a shocking story of a three year old drinking 4 pints of milk, pretty much all over night and very few solids in the day) but these are few and far between. And why hv etc are there. To help. I also think our interpretations of questions can vary too. My fil proved that when he went to the gp with depression and the gp basically said 'what do you want us to do?' She meant what treatment do you want. He took it as he was wasting her time.

Passmethecrisps Thu 16-May-13 22:58:55

<wipes snotty nose with muslin>

<fist bumps horsey>

Thanks for sharing that Missus. This eating business is hard going.

Kyzordz Thu 16-May-13 22:59:47

Thanks all I'll look out for some. Good post horsey I know we all worry but like you said a large majority of babies are just fine smile

89% of the time I can be relaxed about feeding but sometimes I wobble and I wish I didn't blush

Kyzordz Thu 16-May-13 23:00:07

99% obviously! !

horseylady Thu 16-May-13 23:02:30

pass it is. I wasted enough time worrying about bloody breast feeding. I'm not doing that again. Ill post today's pasta pic on Facebook!!

Lentils full of protien. Prob got some iron. Didn't think as much as spinach which is the king of iron smile

GTbaby Thu 16-May-13 23:58:24

DH actually mentioned DC3 today. As in "how about we start trying for dc3 in January" so there is an even gap between all of them angry was my reply. "When we have a full time nanny AND cleaner AND i quit FT work...then I will discuss it" that will never happen! Lol

Right off to catch up.

PurplePidjin Fri 17-May-13 01:31:59

Quiet tonight?

R and vdp seem to have survived with no ill effects, just mummy biting her nails from afar hmm

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 01:32:56

Bad bad night. Had more to say but too tired so will post properly later.

Dixiebell Fri 17-May-13 01:39:38

I'm here. Had my fingers crossed for 4am after DF. This is not 4am.

LuisGarcia Fri 17-May-13 01:42:22

Here. Was hoping it was just me.

LuisGarcia Fri 17-May-13 01:43:50


ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 01:49:12

Glad R is ok Pidj, must have been hard leaving him tonight.

Luis I have been browsing rightmove.

This regression can fuck off now. It's newborn sleep all over again.

LuisGarcia Fri 17-May-13 01:53:01


ValiumQueen Fri 17-May-13 01:56:09

Hug chasing x

I am here. Bottle warmed just waiting to see if J wakes properly. He has been whining for some time but eyes stay firmly shut. Bottle in little jacket. PCM in syringe. He feels warm but not worryingly so. I never dreamed he would sleep this long.

I took feeding in my stride with the girls. Very different with boy. Share mixed emotions of fellow reflux mums.

Pass you only ever act in Ps best interest. You make the best decision with the information available at the time. You are not a Paediatric Consultant specialising in reflux. You are fucking awesome!

I missed my thankfulls. I am thankful, just tired and poorly.

ValiumQueen Fri 17-May-13 01:59:47

Chasing, Rightmove is the right move for you smile and women's aid is there if you do not have the luxury of such planning and need to move quicker x

YellowWellies Fri 17-May-13 02:02:53

GT think of your poor hips!!! shock shock shock shock They can't be serious! Get thee the implant sharpish next time as last time you joked about a sibling you were updiffed within days smile Mindst I have a feeling that having 2 babies under 12 months may act as its own special form of contraception wink grin

ValiumQueen Fri 17-May-13 02:50:37

Yes GT make sure you do not allow him anywhere near you until you have decent contraception.

J now back in cot. Gave PCM but not wanting feed. Temp was a bit high for my liking.

PurplePidjin Fri 17-May-13 04:27:24

Missed mine too blush

I am thankful that night feeds, despite being 2 hours apart, now last 15 minutes instead of the hour+ i used to do.

And for vdp.

And for you lot to whinge at thanks

Thechick Fri 17-May-13 04:38:12

BigPig I offer water in a sippy cup with every meal. We have a few different kinds. Still trying to work out which is best. He's starting to get the hang of them kind of

Lily311 Fri 17-May-13 05:49:59

Awful night. O screamed at 9. Like she was in pain, I think she was. It broke my heart. Than up every 2 hours, something is not right. Poor baby girl.

She stole her cousin's bread yest at dinner time. Thanks fuck I recorded it, it was so funny. Her 5 year ok cousin just giggled and giggled. Tonight my brother's 2 year old is coming for a sleepover and my mum will look after him and O tmrw. Good luck to her.

det sorry you are down. Ignore the lady in play group. I hate comparing, they are all different.

gt 3 under 2? My sister did it, she was bloody knackered for 5 years. She is now back at work teaching, juggling nursery and school drop off and pick up, after school clubs, big house, 2 dogs. Oh, and her husband fucked off with his secretary in January. She says she loves her kids but would not have 3 under 2 again, eldest is now 7.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 17-May-13 06:43:35

We didn't do the dream feed last night shock

So he decided to have a massive poo at 11:30!

I changed his nappy and offered him some milk.

He didn't want it.

But everyone is awake at 5:30 these days because of the light. Luckily DS1 will be reunited with his ducky snuggle back in and go back to sleep. o wants to play hmm

Wonderful DH has been offered a job in Belfast! grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 06:45:54

Morning. DD1 in bed and knackered yesterday by 8. Wouldn't stop messing about until half 10. She used to be such a good sleeper. Otherwise LO was up at 10, 2 and 7. Which I suppose is better than 6.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 06:46:29

That's great news sophia

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 17-May-13 06:49:40

lovely lentils

pass we love lentils. We use this recipe. All four have had it as their very first protein before meat. Goes down a treat! I have a never ending lentil supply.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 07:24:36

<Slumps in>

Shitty fucking sleep can fuck off. Up every half hour from 2.50. Tried to start the day at 5. Rocked back desperately for 20 mins. He was up at 6. He was on me from 5. hmm

<Gives up>

Stingy eye club r us.

On the plus side the times he woke every half hour he settled quickly and no failed transfers hooray! And he didn't want a feed all night. confused

chasing it's exactly like newborn sleep isn't it?! It's fucking weird.

Sophia awesome news!

StuntNun Fri 17-May-13 07:32:08

Fantastic Sophia, I'm sure that's a weight off your mind. How long a commute will he have?

All this shitty sleep is a regression right? It's not going to stay like this for long?

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 17-May-13 07:34:56

brew for * detective*

This sleeping shizzle is weird. O hasn't been too bad but with the early waking and a small whinge in the night.

Bacon medallions and nimble can loosely be described as a bacon sandwich for breakfast and is yum. (Though could eat another!)

I thank you. Am proud of DH and would like to celebrate with champers but am holding back till medical and refs done and he has actually resigned.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 17-May-13 07:36:42

stunt it will be about an hour. As we have a company car at the mo he is currently investigating small 4x4 s as his commuting car!

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 07:39:00

I don't fucking know. sad I hope to fuck not!!!

Can you believe I'd have been on nights this week if I was back at work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bacon medallions is the only bacon I eat! Always remove everything else! And I'm having nimble bread too. So I'd say it counts! TY for brew grin

Dixiebell Fri 17-May-13 07:48:39

OMFG, my baby can scream! Ted's had his first few spoonfuls of baby rice, yesterday and just now. Mixed with BM. He couldn't get enough, kept grabbing the spoon, and I've never heard him scream as loudly as he just did when I finally took the bowl and spoon away. Hope he'll be the same with proper food, that was basically just BM but slightly thicker. Must get round to actually cooking up the pikes if root veg in my kitchen...hmm. He's now having bf to calm him down. Two feeds and a bowl of baby rice so far today and it's not even 8am hmm

Dixiebell Fri 17-May-13 07:49:35

Piles of veg, not pikes. That would be a strange first weaning good...

Dixiebell Fri 17-May-13 07:49:45

Food! Bah!

horseylady Fri 17-May-13 08:07:02

Hugs to all with regression/bad sleep.

It will pass. It will pass. It will pass. Ds woke at 7.20 this morning. He didn't scream as he normally does. He just chatted to his teddy. I got his bottle and he ate his bottle. Wow. I feel like a new woman!! Not slept that late in ages!!! Really cloudy here today so self buying black out curtains!!

Lily311 Fri 17-May-13 08:17:36

Can anyone help?

I had one job but two bosses prior mat leave. Got two sets of payslips every month. Boss 1 made me redundant from 1st oct (she withdrew from job share) but I wasn't entitled of redundancy as I carried on working for boss 2 (worked there for 4years) for the same job (just less roles). I went on mat leave on 9th nov from the job. I am getting 2 sets of mat pay as I qualified for it from both bosses. Am I entitled for holiday pay from both? Or I lost holiday pay when I got redundant? It's so complicated, I know I will get holiday pay from boss 2 as I am on mat leave but not sure about boss 1.

I don't want to put it on other sections as they use mumsnet and I can be identified.

horseylady Fri 17-May-13 08:38:46

lily as you are being paid for both jobs, you will be entitled to holiday for both jobs. As you are still employed and technically working your just not there. Assuming it says that in your contract.

MissMummy1 Fri 17-May-13 08:50:10


Last night was horrendous. Bedtime started at 7pm when DP left for work. Bedtime ended at 1.30am when I phoned DP to come home from work (after 6.5hrs of solid screaming). She went straight down for him then woke at 3.30 and was awake for 1.5hours feeding/squealing/biting/whinging. I caved and gave her calpol then left her to it. blush

I know I shouldn't complain as a few weeks ago I would have given anything for a night like that. But she has been going 8ish - 6ish for a good week or two now. Little sod envy

Fab news re job sophia grin grin grin I am spending most of today applying for my dream job in Belfast. If I get it (highly unlikely) it will be the deciding factor to go for the move.

Sorry lily no advice on either front. I am sure one of the wiser ladies on here can cope.

Chasing care to share some house porn? Woman's Aid etc may be able to help you make the move. Make a plan for, say, a week/a month/the end of your tenancy and stick to it. smile

MissMummy1 Fri 17-May-13 08:51:46

Can cope?? Sorry, can help!

And GT - shock

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 08:52:31

Morning all!

Dixie we have that scream here too. It's a proper ear splitter, an indignant bellow of "what the hell are you doing with my fooooood?"
Det and chasing brew and matchstics
Sophia that's wonderful news, congratulations to dh
VQ glad J managed a better night than expected. How is dd2? Lungs still inside her?

8-2-8 shock
<runs, dodging missiles lobbed from Camp Sleep Regression>

Lily311 Fri 17-May-13 08:53:22

horsey I got redundant on 1st of Oct and as I qualified I'm getting mat pay. I didn't work for boss1 between 1st oct and 9th nov when my mat leave started.

Kyzordz Fri 17-May-13 09:00:48

Morning all, no idea lily sorry

[Brew] to those needing one. Another vom free night here, not a peep from 8pm till 6am, he did have df though. I didn't say any thankfuls yesterday but I am very thankful for the sleep!

the links to recipes reminded me I have the ak weaning book. Duh. I don't want to make a load of stuff for him to refuse food again but he can't keep on the couple of things he does eat! What do you all do when offering a new food, do you have a tried and tested one as backup in case they don't like it, or just offer the new things and don't sweat if they don't eat it?

Need to take mum to the doctors with elyza as she is all bunged up and since eric is only just getting over something we do not want to leave her without being checked with her being so young still.

today I might be brave and give him a little toast.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 09:01:49

Here's some property porn from my area:

www.immoregion.fr/lorraine/vente-maison-a-contz-les-bains,thionville-est-en-moselle-2530375 which has nice views

www.immoregion.fr/lorraine/vente-maison-a-contz-les-bains,thionville-est-en-moselle-2282853 and this one I was interested in but is sold sad

And one from my village which is grgeous butbfar too expensive for me:


PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 09:02:20

Ooh why do links from that site never work. Oh well.

Evilwater Fri 17-May-13 09:07:50

Sorry to read of the crap nights. thanks and [cuppa]

Lilly - sorry I can't help,
Thanks for the fanjo advice, ill book an appointment with the drs just to check.

As for lentils, we don't eat them in our house, it's meat and dairy.


MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 17-May-13 09:18:35

Morning all. Sorry havent caught up properly. evil Bath/Bristol is lovely. Expensive though. Detective meltdown completely normal. Do not compare yourself to other mums, or O to other babies.

Shittest night ever last night. I think I got an aggregate of 45 minutes sleep. DS was snuffly due to cold and needed dummy reinserting a few times, but then fully woke, stayed awake for 4 fucking hours, perfectly happily, and despite having 2 full bottles in that time, fucking refused to go to sleep, despite rocking, shssshing, being walked around. Eventually DH gave him a third bottle which conked him out. 3 fucking additional bottles in 4 hours. WTAF?

And DH did take him for 3 hours while he was awake, but I still exploded at DH (in front of my parents who are visiting) for not helping. And then about an hour after DS finally settled, DD woke for the day. She was very good, played nicely with her babies in my room, but the babies nearly got launched out of the window, and I was terse and abrupt with everyone this morning, including DD and my lovely mum, who offered to make us supper before she left. To DH I was just a fucking viscious bitch. Wouldnt kiss him bye.

And now I am at work, and have a banging headache and I feel like I am going to burst into tears.

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 09:25:17

Wanted to post this last night but too tired.

Detective firstly, ignore baby group lady. Some people think they suddenly become an expert in all babies the moment they give birth to their first. Your are the expert on O.

Secondly, O is the most awesome baby. Incredibly fun, curious about the world and a bundle of character. That all comes from you. He doesn't want cuddles at the moment because he doesn't need them. You have done such a good job of creating a secure base for him that he is confident enough to get on with the fun of exploring his world knowing that mummy is there if he needs her.

I hope that came out right, I'm tired. My point is, O is awesome and that's because of you smile

Clarella you ok? Havent heard from you in a while.

Last night was bad in that he didn't sleep longer than 3 hours at a time. Good in that we had no transfer fails. Every cloud and all that.

Neighbour and her 8 month old coming round soon for coffee. Better make sure the milk isn't off...

MsJupiterJones Fri 17-May-13 09:29:25

VQ hope the rest of the night went well and J is on the mend.

Kyz I usually offer new tastes in the same meal as something he's already had (in practice this means I always cook some broccoli with whatever we're eating!). If he turns something down I try it again a few days later. Sometimes he alternates, eg he loved avocado the first time, shuddered and spat it out the 2nd. Then liked it again.

I broke the rules last night. We had a good start 10-3 but then he was awake for an hour despite feeding more than once. He kept falling asleep but as soon as I put him down he would wake himself up again. Finally instead of sitting up & feeding him I just pulled him towards me and gave him a cuddle. He was on his side facing me with his head on my arm and his hand on my chest iyswim. Instant sleep. So I just left him there and tried to stay awake for a while but was so tired and he looked pretty stable so I just let myself drift off and next thing I knew it was 6am and I had a dead arm!

Don't think it was an approved co sleeping position but I didn't see how he could have rolled forwards. Bednest was behind him in case he rolled back. He is quite strong now anyway and I wake fairly easily. And it was worth it for 2 hrs uninterrupted sleep - unheard of in the early hrs of the morning.

horseylady Fri 17-May-13 09:30:13

Oh if you were made redundant then no.

horseylady Fri 17-May-13 09:30:39

Check with he though. Doubt it highly if the job no jobber exists.

horseylady Fri 17-May-13 09:30:50

*job no

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 09:31:23

Agree with chasing . Our children know we are here for them but are ready to take those first steps towards independence. Cuddles are on tap, new and exciting stuff to explore and new skills to use is, well, new and exciting.

Bryzoan Fri 17-May-13 09:52:12

MadamG :-( sounds rotten. Call dh and give him a telephone hug and then have some chocolate and a cup of tea. Make it your mission to survive the day looking as if you might be productive then go home and try to get an early a night as possible. I know it doesn't feel like it but it sounds like you are doing brilliantly just surviving.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 17-May-13 09:54:35

Yay go mm

YellowWellies Fri 17-May-13 09:56:38

brew brew brew brew to the sleep regressing - its a short one but a doozy. Little pig and Jonas clearly got the same memo 8-2-8 here too. He was grumping as I ate my breakfast - onion bagel and vitalite - so I offered him some (with the logic that we're seeing the allergy paved this morning so might as well try him on wheat given I tried him inadvisedly on egg blush blush blush ) and he gobbled it! Only one brief choke confused

Kyz I just offer him a new food and if he doesn't take it he doesn't take it, this is because a) I don't want him to associate refusing new food with getting his favourites and b) because I'm lazy blush

Good luck with the job application MM what's it for?

Am I the only one who rolls online arguments around in my head for hours? My night feed mood was quite spoiled by racist rantings of a UKIP supporting cousin of mine on FB - a bit shock given we are all descended from Polish refugees. I ranted back at him for being a bigot but keep coming up with witty ripostes hours after the event - PR what's that wonderful French phrase esprit d'escalier? Or something about thinking about cutting comebacks after you've left the room and are stalking off up the stairs. Apologies for butchering French there - I learnt German at school.

YellowWellies Fri 17-May-13 09:57:50

paved = paed fecking autocorrect!!!!

horseylady Fri 17-May-13 10:06:29

yw parler français comme une vache espagnole

YellowWellies Fri 17-May-13 10:07:04

Que? confused

horseylady Fri 17-May-13 10:16:54

Pr will tell you, you speak French like a Spanish cow. Have been told that a lot lol

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 10:24:52

Madam I think you might have just described my life in 8 weeks time. Sounds pants. Have a nice scoff of some biscuit and a brew.

JJ that's how we always co-sleep. Tis lovely and snuggly.

ValiumQueen Fri 17-May-13 10:29:49

Madame huge squishy hug x you are doing your best and you are only human x everyone is pink and breathing. That is my new baseline goal. Anything else is a bonus. Hope your day at work is smooth and you have a better night.

J had an amazingly good night all things considered. Slept in his cot with one waking for PCM. Up at 6 and has had nap since. Just vomited everywhere as my sodding syringe is playing up so he had a huge amount of ranitidine in one blast. Usually give it in tiny amounts as it is vile. Shifted a huge lump of phlegm too so not a bad thing. He looks a lot happier strangely.

DD2 still has 2 lungs grin thank you for asking BPLP

Kyzordz Fri 17-May-13 10:41:31

madam hugs, you're doing fab, I'm sure dp will understand you're just very stressed

breakfast went. ... banana and strawberry cereal, hates it and to be fair it was vile. Tried peach and banana pot, didn't eat much but seemed ok with it, toast... omfg mum I love it give me toast forever abd stop panicking, I can and will fit two bits in at once and eat it all!!!

he couldn't and didn't but certainly tried. He got a chunk at one point and gagged but it came forward and he spat it out. My heart was in my mouth the entire time!

thanks for the advice about new foods smile

MsJupiterJones Fri 17-May-13 11:08:13

Kyz that sounds exactly like L with the toast! He wants to stuff a new piece in when he's still chomping the last one. Well done on not panicking it is hard isn't it but they seem to know instinctively how to handle it.

VQ that is great to hear, hopefully a good sleep will have helped him.

YW I always spend night feeds going over arguments, past and present, thinking of things I wish I'd said... For some reason night times often give me the rage. I ended up thinking about a job I left years ago and how unfair my boss was, getting really angry and composing an email in my head.

BPLP thank you that is reassuring. I am such a worrier about stuff like that. I think in the early days I used to find it so hard not to drop off with him in my arms in the chair I got a bit paranoid about him slipping down.

Kyzordz Fri 17-May-13 11:53:35

Glad your night was better than anticipated vq

didn't mention it before as it seened flukey but he has said hello (ello counts right?) Twice now this morning both in reply to someone saying it to him smile

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 13:01:42

I didn't know that expression yw but yes, it is l'esprit de l'escalier.

We're just back from the airport. It's raining, DD1 is obsessed with planes at the moment and Lux airport has a cafe overlooking the runway, so we've had lunch there andnwatched planes take off and land. She was AMAZED. Great fun for her.

I booked DH in for a massage this afternooon as he is so stressed by work, so he's gone there and I am sat at home with the kids. For a change.

Bryzoan Fri 17-May-13 13:14:28

Pr - next time I think you should book yourself a massage and leave him to 'relax' with the kids grin. I'm sure that's what dh thinks I do all day sometimes!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 13:15:30

Yes, I will but, his birthday is coming up and he is seriously stressed, worryingly stressed by work.

Bryzoan Fri 17-May-13 13:16:10

Was a lovely thought though. I think you get wife of the week award for that smile.

Kyzordz Fri 17-May-13 13:25:13

That's a lovely gesture pr I am not half as nice!

ValiumQueen Fri 17-May-13 13:29:22

Wife of the week award always includes a BJ.

PennieLane Fri 17-May-13 13:31:17

Wow, prawn crackers and gravy as first food! Though my friends first food was steak!

Loving the property porn!

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 13:39:31

Personally, I think O has a shagdetector.

He wakes up with in 30 minutes of us going to bed every night, guaranteed. Ok, occasionally he's managed to self settle. But generally not.

Last night we tried to sneak upstairs. Quiet as mice. Didn't even flush the loo. Which I can't stand <boak>. He still fucking woke. Action here is limited to playing but never reaching the end goal. DP is highly frustrated grin. And it always makes me laugh when he stumbles in to O's room with a semi on. Hahahaha!!! grin You've never seen a willy deflate so quickly with a babys cry!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 14:13:28

<sniggers at dets willy woes>

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 14:50:04

I can't get my property porn to link properly.

<also sniggers at detective's shag detecting LO>

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 14:54:00

JJ that's how me and O sleep from 5am every morning smile. As pig said it is lovely and snuggly.

Had a lovely morning. Next door neighbour and her 8 month old (Z) popped round. No crying from O, he smiled, chatted and played. Helps that she has been through the same clingy/screamy stage as us so completely understands. It was lovely seeing the babies interact, Z kept pulling O's socks off and O found it hilarious when Z was 'standing up'

So it is only family O is screamy with. Think it is the pressure they put on him as they are always in his face and wanting to hold him. Me and neighbour just sat on the floor leaving the babies to play. O gave her plenty of smiles and was very relaxed. I was a proud mummy.

Cuddling a sleeping baby and watching Great British Bake Off while trying not to fall asleep now.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 15:03:43

People don't realise that babies have a need for their personal space to not be invaded too. Must be scary to have someone stick their face right up to yours and make exaggerated facial expressions and speak stupidly. Or, worse, to just suddenly grab you and then stick their face in yours and etc etc.

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 15:09:01

Yep PR, they don't try to see things from the baby's POV. Poor little loves. The world is a daunting enough place as it is. I am glad that O does actually seem to like people as long as they respect his personal space.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 15:13:36

Reflux koala baby here today. Is it nearly bedtime?!

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 15:16:02

And the TV has now officially broke.

Fuck you whoever keeps shitting on my life.

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 15:21:58

Shall we declare it bedtime now?

emilyeggs Fri 17-May-13 15:41:09

Hello ladies!<waves> I was in the Xmas pudding club, just popping in to see how you are all doing. Will try and post properly soon but have to chase a rolling baby x

Kyzordz Fri 17-May-13 15:42:54

I reckon so but not because it's a bad day, just cos im nackered! <kicks detective's tv because it broke on her>

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 15:50:58

I've got the TV back on! YAY! Thanks kyz!

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 15:51:23

Bedtime declared. Someone tell the kids!

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 15:53:56

O got the memo, he's asleep!

ValiumQueen Fri 17-May-13 16:14:26

Hello eggs welcome smile

chasing LO will also pick up on how you are feeling too possibly? If you are anxious when you see people, they will notice. Not that it is your fault, but others for making you feel like that.

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 16:19:02

VQ I did think that too. I know they will want to play pass the baby so I probably do get tense.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 16:30:55

O is also asleep! <Hi-five>

So tired. Sooooooooooooooo tired.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 16:34:03

Welcome eggs - hope you managed to catch the rolling baby!

Det glad TV is fixed, otherwise we could have done with sweary fucksticks Friday.

My tiny little baba is trying to crawl. When the fuck did they grow up so quickly? I feel quite emotional today, about how quick she is growing up, and returning to work. When I'm working, I will be spending 50 hours less a week with her. 50 fucking hours sad

Kyzordz Fri 17-May-13 16:54:55

Welcome eggs

Yaaay detective!

E is trying and failing to crawl bplp I hope he learns soon as he gets very frustrated. I've felt the same as you today minus the work part. They're growing up so fast!

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 17:00:48

O has been trying to crawl for just over 2 weeks. He is no further forward grin.

Gets up on hands, on to knees, bum in air, and screams at how he isn't moving!

Pikz Fri 17-May-13 17:01:16

Hello eggs.

Big hugs for Valium prince

Yay to TVs working

Bplp we also have a wannabe crawler which I hope he cracks soon as the frustration is very annoying!

Shit the 50 hours a week makes me feel sick... hmm

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 17:01:21

I'm in denial about work still!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 17:29:42

F face plants, bum in the air, wiggles legs and shrieks into the floor.

She just polished off a cube of melon and one and a half of mango. This baby lurves fruit! She gets so excited by the sight of her spoons.

I hate the fact that when I go back to work, someone else is going to get to do all this. And when I collect her, she will smell of someone else.

Lily311 Fri 17-May-13 19:08:42

big those 50 hours were the reason for me to move back to Hungary. I would have needed to go back to work on 9th may for 50 hours a week. I get teary even just thinking about it. Huge hugs for all of you.

O was overstimulated today, she couldn't even finish her bottle. Going to attempt dream feed very soon.

StuntNun Fri 17-May-13 19:10:01

QQ quiche peeps, I came upstairs to put J to bed only to find my bedsheets stripped (he gets his evening feed in my bed as he often falls asleep during it). I put him in his cot and started huffily making up the bed. DH is outraged at me being annoyed because 'you have to leave the mattress to air between changing the sheets'. Seriously I have never heard of this rule; is this a real rule? I turn back the duvet for half an hour every morning to let the bed air. Our sheets are cotton, how much airing does a mattress need. Please tell me I haven't been changing bedsheets incorrectly for my whole life.

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 19:12:39

pig O is, of course, trying to crawl as well. He has started putting his bum in the air when he is on his tummy. Am making the most of him staying in one place at the moment!

That really sucks about work sad I'm not sure what my future holds yet work wise, but being away from him fills me with dread too.

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 19:14:36

stunt I sometimes strip the bed in the morning and make it in the evening to air out the mattress. Supposed to help with dust mites and I'm asthmatic. Don't think it is an official rule though grin

StuntNun Fri 17-May-13 19:23:22

We have a special dust-mite free bed as we're both allergic to dust! I'd have to say it works too, we're both a lot less sympathetic compared to the old bed. Really I'm trying to work out whether he's just being lazy or not.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 19:26:25

Stunt if it were my dh, it would be laziness - and an attempt to cover up the fact he couldn't be bothered to remake it. But your dh may be less housework-averse than mine...

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 19:27:08

I let the mattress breathe if I have time. And hoover it if I can be arsed . But sometimes the cat sleeps on the bed and DH is asthmatic.

So in theory he is right, but in practice it's not the end of the world if the mattress doesn't get aired.

PennieLane Fri 17-May-13 19:27:18

Wow to the crawlers! That's v early! LO gets into position with her arms but can't lift bum in the air yet!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 17-May-13 19:27:58

Well I have survived today. Thanks to bryzoan, kyz, bigpig, vq and others for kind words.

My naughty baby slept for 4 hours at nursery. They call him "smiling boy" there. He's so scrumptious that I can forgive him for last night's dreadful shenanigans until about 4am this morning. My naughty toddler also slept at nursery which is less usual, and said she really fought being woken up. Hmmm, wonder why?

stunt when I change the sheets, the bed gets made when it suits me - sometimes I do it immediately but sometimes I wait because it is convenient. If DH stripped but didn't remake the bed before I wanted to use it, he'd probably lose a limb.

bigpig leaving F will be ok. Yes, she will smell like someone else, and have done other things. But there is absolutely no one like you. Promise. Going to work is worth it for the smiles of recognition when you get back. And you're giving her independence and stimulation and the opportunity to get used to other people which really is to her benefit.

Hi eggs.

Congrats Sophia

Good luck MM

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 19:28:46

Pennie I should clarify - she cannot actually move forward. Just gives her face carpet burn.

ValiumQueen Fri 17-May-13 19:48:25

<<daydreams about the prospect of 50 hours a week nappy free, vomit free, not hearing the girls fighting and whinging and asking for food, fifty hours of hot coffee and food and adult conversation and going for a piss in peace>>

Seriously though, you will be ok and so will baby x

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 19:51:35

Piss in piece?! Hot coffee any coffee!?! You don't work for the NHS! Impostor!!

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 19:57:15

When I went back to work after having DD1 I was distraught. But she was fine. The CM was excellent, she was happy, thriving even. I don't know if her development sped up because she was in a different place, or if I noticed it more because I wasn't with her all the time. I missed her first steps, first real crawling, first nodding of her head and even her first 'non'. But that was fine.

Then I fell out with the CM and everything went downhill, but that's another long story.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 20:07:08

Piss in piece? Fanjo that bad eh det!?

I will be fine. I'm not sure how this oestrogen-up-fanjo is affecting me. Feel a bit teary and odd. Probably the first sniff of oestrogen my body's had in years.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 20:09:11


Gotta love iPhones hmm!

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 20:09:44

What did they recommend it for BP?

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 20:17:41

I had a 2nd degree tear, which has healed up fine, but at one end is v painful (jumped off the couch when nurse/doctor/gynae have taken turns to poke it) - no chance of dtd. Gynae doc thought it was due to slow healing/oestrogen-less vag because of bf. So trialling oestrogen pessaries for 2 months.

Big fat boast though - she said I had excellent tone grin. I nodded and said yes, yes I do my pelvic floors. Didn't mention that in fact I forget, and that good tone must be due to holding on to wees for 2 hours whilst pinned to sofa!

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 20:30:14

grin Nice tone grin.

Sounds like different issues to what I'm having. Though that does make sense. Hope it starts to make a difference soon!

Passmethecrisps Fri 17-May-13 20:34:14


^Sun is shining the weather is good, yeah!
Makes you wanna move those dancing feet.^

Hallo egg. Catch that baby!

I rarely get an unhurried coffee or a wee at work. I once popped in to the loos to come out and realise that a crowd of boys had been standing there waiting for me to come out because they wanted to talk to me. I was very blush but they were entirely non-plussed.

I am holding out for PR's assessment of p going into childcare. I actually wonder sometimes of spending all her time with me might hold her back - socially and/or emotionally. I am not saying I won't greet when I hear of things she achieved without me watching but I think it will be good for us all.

Thank you VQ for your lovely words earlier. P's fine, I'm fine, we are all fucking awesome.

We went to the park today. P was on the swings then watched children play while shrieking in excitement.

She ate a fair bit of cereal mixed with her milk. Ironically it was the only thing I didn't want to eat myself but she seemed fairly impressed. Toast and carrot purée for lunch was also fairly successful

Thanks sophia for e lentil recipe. I will give that a couple of weeks but deffo try it. Your house looks amazing by the way!

Poor poorly fanjo BP. I hope the hormonal shiz chills out though.

stunt we have one set f bed clothes so when the bed is changed the mattress gets aired. We bought a mattress when I was pregnant that needed turned every week for the first 3 months then every season. Hasn't been turned in a looooooooong time. Should do that really. I am asthmatic but am massively slutty about things like dust. I wonder why I wake up wheezing - might be to do with the dust bunnies the size of P's head (which is fucking enormous BTW) next to the bed.

Pikz Fri 17-May-13 20:40:44

Just come for a collective quiche hug as I need one.

Another weekend another fucking night away from my boy hmm

LuisGarcia Fri 17-May-13 20:48:22


Brockle Fri 17-May-13 20:55:11

huge hug pikz

Pikz Fri 17-May-13 20:57:30

Thank you.

How's the knees luis?

How are you brockle?

The worst bit is this one involves surfing lessons and then worst of all a nightclub. I like old man pubs.

Passmethecrisps Fri 17-May-13 20:58:50

<squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze> for pikz

<rubs nose on pikz front for extra cuddle goodness>

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 20:59:28

Oh pikz sad. Hugs x

pig I will miss you when you go back to work!

Passmethecrisps Fri 17-May-13 20:59:57

Another vote for old man pubs. Hate clubbing, hate cocktails, not a fan of dancing. Love quiet pubs.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 21:02:40

Went to bed at 7.40. Awake at 8.50. Twice. DP now dealing with second wake up as it was his fucking fault.

So tired. So fed up. We get no stretch of sleep at all. I never know when to go to bed as he wakes so much.

I'm ready to crack up. It's getting worse and worse.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 21:03:46

Chasing it is a good job I don't have a fancy phone. Otherwise patient care might suffer as I browsed the web fuelled my MN addiciton instead of checking blood results yawn

Pikz Fri 17-May-13 21:05:58

Pass I soooo agree... Have shrugged the cocktail dress off for skinny jeans and sparkly top... If this wasnt my sister in laws hen do I would not be going. I'm a party pooper aren't I!

Btw pass you are an ace mum and your house sounds like so much fun.

Det you ok? Big hug

Chasing how's you?

Just went up to see LO and he's so tired from crawling round cot in grow bag he'd passed out nose down! Have just flipped him as his head wasnt even to the side!!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 17-May-13 21:06:05

Sorry have been a bit absent of late. Was at a friends last night enjoying a take and a bit -lot- of wine. I settled E before I left but she woke about 10pm and was quite hard for DH to settle her. He bought her downstairs and she went off after a while so he put her back to bed just gone 11pm. Well she then slept till 8am so worked for me!

Today started off really shitty. I totally smashed up the side of the car on a metal gate when dropping DD1 off to preschool. Then just had lots of general shitty things go wrong including E pulling her tube out. So I was in a foul mood. But the day improved in the afternoon thank god. E weighed in at an impressive 14lbs 10.5ozs. We can drop one tube feed and reduce the others by 10ml so it's a start in getting rid of it completley. And DD1 got a place in the nursery I wanted her to go to in September so am a happy bunny now.

Am impressed by quiche babies attempting to crawl. E isn't anywhere near that. She has rolled over before but hasn't done it for ages and she isn't anywhere near sitting up alone.

pikz Hugs sad

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 21:06:39

Oh yeh meant to say det, I was idly perusing AIBU when I came across a fred about a sleepy, non-waking dp which I began to read, all the while thinking "this sounds familiar" - at which point I noticed the name of the OP...it would be the same in Piggy Palace, which is another of my arguments against switching to ff, as I know dh would just sleep through the bloody lot.

Pikz Fri 17-May-13 21:07:43

Wow well done E! Fab news but sorry about the car.

Bplp will you be my doctor? If let you mn!

Pikz Fri 17-May-13 21:08:26

Bplp DP does less now its formula then when I bf!!!

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 21:08:38

Detective exactly the same here sad. Nightmare to get down and only took one measly oz. Awake an hour later and now won't go back in his damn cot. P now dealing with it. I'm not sure how much more I can take of this.

pikz I'm tired. See above grin I hate clubbing etc now, did it all at uni and would now be happy to never do it again. I don't even drink.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 21:09:53

grin Yes, I intend to show it to DP. Who can sort his fucking arse out, because I am so fed up it's unreal. Fucking tossing men man.

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 21:10:53

Actually detective exactly the same here. 7.40 asleep and 8.50 awake. So we have synced cycles and our babies have synced fucking crap sleeping habits.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 21:12:17

Not sure what you mean pass ? I'm not against childcare...? And I prefer pubs to clubs. Not that we have either of any note here.

pikz hugs.

No crawling here. We've only just managed rolling and LO is 7 months this weekend. To be fair on her she's either on our knees, in her high chair or in the playpen. I can.t give her free rein on the floor yet because it's never clean enough DD1 is too enthusiastic.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 21:12:41

It sounds mean, but if he was working FT, I'd feel differently. But he isn't. And now he's on additional paternity leave.

There are two of us, and one baby. And one of us is permanently exhausted and isn't leaving the house anymore. That doesn't sound right to me. I only get dressed on thursdays these days. As baby group/slimming world is on that day. So that's it. A week between washing my hair and getting dressed.

Not good.

Kyzordz Fri 17-May-13 21:13:15

Hugs pikz

Have some hugs too detective sounds like you need them!

I ordered a blw book to help me with the whole finger food meal thing and it arrived today. Must say I'm finding it quite an interesting read. Though now I'm hoping I am not hindering his chewing and swallowing by feeding both puree and finger foods.

feeding is still going well. Messy and fun and I'm trying not to be too uptight about it. He ate tea today. I had to give him a loaded spoon as he refused to let me feed him but he ate lots this way! It was chicken casserole. He didnt have any meat but had the juices of the meat/veg/stock with potato.

for lunch tomorrow I hope to give him two cubes of sweet potato with half a cube of parsnip.

Have almost an hour to kill. Should do laundry really.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 21:13:34

Sorry for the shitty sleep cycle going your way chasing. Clearly our O's have had words with each other. Scheming babies!

Passmethecrisps Fri 17-May-13 21:17:05

Me neither PR that was what I was saying - I think P will thrive. Was I being a bit thick in how a wrote that?

ChasingDaisy Fri 17-May-13 21:17:27

I know how you feel as this period of crap sleep has been the worst to deal with mentally. He has never slept well but I was seeing small signs of improvement. I thought by almost 6 months he would be sleeping a hell of a lot better than this. Really doubting everything I'm doing now as it just feels like I'm getting it all wrong.

Pikz Fri 17-May-13 21:17:56

PR is she ok with baby jail? I need to put ours up.

Det slap him with quiche fish!!!

O and O now be nice to your mummy's

Kyz the book I'm reading says you can do both and it's the balanced approach! It makes me feel like their is a plan to my highly piggy mess. Baby sweet corn and rice cakes a success today. Also butternut and leek purée which smelled lush!

Kyzordz Fri 17-May-13 21:18:57

Lots of posts when I wrote mine again! det get him to pull his finger out, if you're both at home things should be split more evenly imo

Pikz Fri 17-May-13 21:19:34

Chasing you are not. Just like some adults sleep well and some don't babies are all individuals. They will get there. As long as you have a good bedtime routine to give them triggers they will get there.

Kyzordz Fri 17-May-13 21:23:25

chasing you're not doing anything wrong and o will get there, hopefully soon, for both o's actually

pikz is it the weaning made easy book? I ordered that too but its not here yet blush

what rice cakes are good pikz? Do you spread anything on them? And do you give them whole? Sorry for all the questions!

Pikz Fri 17-May-13 21:25:02

Kzy ask away... It is that book, I liked it as it made me feel I could do both and how to manage it.

I bought hipp baby rice cakes. I have them plain and they are little so he sucks and gums them til they crumble.

Pikz Fri 17-May-13 21:26:37

Oh and YW, det, pass and all others they are milk free an lactose free and egg and dairy free!

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 21:33:15

Sounds good pikz

Most meals, I give F some puree, then whilst I eat, she has some finger food to get her chops around - broccoli, banana, toast, whatever. Seems to work quite well and keeps her quiet whilst I eat

Det <hugs>

Brockle Fri 17-May-13 21:34:18

good, thanks pikz . Clubbing would fill me with dread right now.

still one wake up a night, most of the time but he is resisting his bedtime routine. actually he sleeps if he gets to sit with me and ds1 when I read ds1 his bedtime story. he obviously prefers the chronicles of narnia to That's not my Lion smile

Y has had a bug this week and went completely off food so looking to get back I. the saddle with weaning.

big hugs to everyone who needs them. trying to catch up with thread.

flights are booked for our trip. still have to get up at 2am for a drive to heathrow with three kids but should be ok. or am I kidding myself?

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 21:37:38

DP is sulking as he's read my thread that I linked to him about his lack of waking hmm.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 21:40:57

Baby jail rocks. She has been using it for months already. All her toys are in there and she can see us. And it is a safe place. No animals, no toddler. If she is in there I can cook, iron, clean, shower or go to the loo without worrying about her being walked on, kicked, or her rolling into cat vom hmm

pass sorry must have misunderstood, didn't get what you meant

LO had beef and potato mashed up this evening with a bit of cooked tomato. Obviously the beef and potato was cooked too. She liked. A lot. Her biggest meal to date! Definitely a carnivore like her mum

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 21:41:15

When dh is sulking, I call him Sue. As in, Sulky Susan. That winds him right up.

LuisGarcia Fri 17-May-13 21:52:20

Pikz One knee is better, one is worse. Thanks for asking.

Kids are asleep (in their beds!!). MrsG is out at a work do. IL's are here for dinner tomorrow and Sunday. Am prepping dinners with a glass of wine and the radio on. The thought of going clubbing gives me chills. But I hope you have fun!

kirrinIsland Fri 17-May-13 21:54:18

Congrats to sophia's DH smile

Sympathies to those who had horrendous nights. Hope you managed ok at work Madame

YW I also spend night feeds going over past arguments and gripes; and I am great at coming up with brilliant comebacks years after the event.

PR love the airport cafe idea. DD1 would love that smile

50 hours bplp ? shock

detective tell me you're joking about not getting hot coffee or loo breaks with the NHS? I start work for them on monday!!!

pikz I haven't been to a nightclub in over 10 years. I hate them. Give me a quiet country pub any day.

Good news on E's weight gain Eliza and on DD1's nursery place. Less good about the car, but it's only metal.

Why is he sulking detective ? he should be leaping up and cleaning the house while apologising profusely.

Also detective - was it you who was saying O slept well in the pram but woke in the cot? N does the same. It's so infuriating. DP has her in the pram when he does the night shift and she sleeps much better, only waking once or twice. And when I was at my Dads last week she started the night In the pram and I planned to switch her into the cot when she woke at 11ish. Only she didn't. She slept til 2ish. And then woke frequently after I'd put her into the cot. The tempatation to just let her sleep in the pram is overwhelming but it's not good for her so I can't. I have been trying to think how to make the cot more pram like but I don't really know what it is she likes about it.

I left N with DP this afternoon while DD1 was at nursery and went shopping. I was supposed to be buying work clothes, but I didn't have much luck with that. I bought plenty of other stuff though. And I had a quiet coffee. In peace. T'was lovely!   

Brockle Fri 17-May-13 21:54:34

I never used a playpen with the other 2 PR but not sure how I will cope with a crawler and two boisterous boys whilst I am cooking etc. it sounds tempting.

Y is 24 weeks but is officially 6 months on Wednesday. I can feed him toast now and don't have to wait until Wednesday? its the only food he is interested in too much like his mother who lives on the stuff

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 21:54:55

Luis your evening sounds lovely! Glad the knees are better.

Off to bed, night all and good luck

<chucks liberal handfuls of sleep dust over O1 and O2>

BigPigLittlePig Fri 17-May-13 21:56:31

<Pops back to let kirrin know that the 50 hours is for the NHS too, and with scant hot drinks>

Brockle Fri 17-May-13 21:59:11

why is your DP sulking detective ? he isn't cutting it and you are publicising that. he needs to pull his socks up. I have to wake DH for ds1 and 2 as he has resp for them as I bf Y. he has got pretty good at waking after a nudge or two but it has taken some practicegrin

kirrinIsland Fri 17-May-13 21:59:44

Jeez, epic post. Sorry blush

We also have a baby jail. For the same reasons as PR - dogs and over enthusiastic toddlers. It's very handy and N doesn't seem to mind it mostly

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 17-May-13 22:05:50

kyz I use the same rice cakes as pikz E loves nomming on them. I do the same as bplp at meal times. I give E some form of finger food to munch on and I give her some puree in between. Enables me to eat dinner inbetween spoon feeding E.

Detective Jesus. Don't you get cabin fever? I need to go out everyday! Mind you it's mainly to take DD1 out as she drives me insane if she's at home all day. In my previous childfree life I could have quite happily stayed on the sofa all day.

I'm going on 2 hen weekends this year. First one is to brighton in 2 weeks time. I have no bloody idea what to wear (although I hear it's some form of fancy dress on Saturday night so solves that dilemma) shudders Bit of a shame as I was actually looking forward to wearing a nice dress as I never get a chance these days. We will be going to a cheesy club. Cheese I can do, not a poncy club. I love a bit of a boogie.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 22:09:11

He's now stopped sulking after I cried and is going to buy a vibrating baby monitor which is for hearing imparied people. hmm

We have a baby jail for my paranoid mind. O can already get to places he shouldn't. Found him under the side table chewing happily on the laptop charger earlier. I only went to the kitchen and poured a drink.

At the minute, baby jail is in the shed. It's a babydan one, which you can use as a room divider too. Suspect it will get good use!

kirrin I think I know what it is that he likes about the pram. It isn't comfort - his mattress is highly comfy tested that one out last week!. It is the fact he is snug and cocooned in. I'm the same, not wanting him sleeping in it. But the way he is sleeping now isn't safe either, so I don't know what to do! He's in the moses basket snuggled between a vshape pillow. Not ideal at all. sad I've got him back in to the cot tonight, but we are already on wake up 3. Not sure how long it will last.

As for the NHS. Depends where you are working! Over worked and underpaid a lot of us are! The wards are where you don't get chance to breathe let alone pee in peace!

LuisGarcia Fri 17-May-13 22:09:34

BPLP I'm in absolute90s cooking heaven. grin

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 22:11:00

It's been 3 weeks now. Yes, I get bored and fed up. But getting out the house when I'm already tired just puts me off. DP is here so it's not like I'm alone.

I've done the school run but not many times. And not bothered dressing for it either. Not getting out the car, so not much point.

I know it's just the sleep issues making me feel this way. I'm a much better mum when I've had some sleep.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 22:12:35

<Grabs sleepy dust and snorts it all>

LuisGarcia Fri 17-May-13 22:15:01

You are not losing your mind, it's just the sleep thing. It gets better. And soon.

My lovely neighbour took one look at me the the other day and gave me a hug and said that. I thought it was worth passing on

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 17-May-13 22:19:09

I am going slowly mad. I want to go to my bed and sleepy for more than an hour!!!!!

kirrinIsland Fri 17-May-13 22:26:39

yes detective I'd wondered if it was the snugness. I've got dark cot sheets and a restraint thing (a wrap used with the reflux wedge but I don't use the wedge). I had wondered about bumpers or something to make it all seem smaller /closed in.
Workwise - I'm non clinical so I probably stand a chance of getting a hot coffee or two!?

kirrinIsland Fri 17-May-13 22:29:11

Hope you all get some sleep tonight. Sleep deprivation is a bitch sad

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 22:29:13

Baby jail was the only thing I bought new before DD1 arrived. Not many people use them here, like reins. I've chucked the bouncer chair thingy. She hates it, and the cat loved it. And puked in it. I don't see it as a jail, just like a great place for her to play safely and undisturbed.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 22:33:01

detective I hardly leave the house when DH isn't here. Everything has to be tidied so the dog can't get it. DD1 is a handful on her own so even worse with LO. We make it to the garden if it is sunny. Otherwise we stare at the four walls and cBeebies and daytime TV

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 22:33:51

Non clinical - you'll be fine <jealous>.

Our managers walk around with hot brews while we are holding our fucking pelvic floors up to our throats and our stomach is eating other organs inside us.


TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 22:37:47

I was going out most week days up until 3 weeks ago. Just feel constantly tired or ill. And then O has shit days too. I don't know if I am coming or going. I don't know whether to be a martyr to his 'routine' or just say fuck it, we're going out and sod sleep.

Yesterday while we were out most of the day, he slept for less than 2 hours, and had shit sleep last night. Today he has slept for 5 hours over 3 naps. After being pretty much awake since 5.

And he's woke 3 times since bedtime. I was going to be an hour ago. But he woke. So now I just don't know what to do. I don't want to go to bed only to be woken straight away.

Own worst enemy.

DP is making me syn free pancakes. Pancakes. Mmmmmmm. Then I might try bed.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 22:38:40

So I've come to the conclusion, it doesn't matter what I do. Fate deals the nights to me.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 22:39:27

Considering stopping solids. But then he has to start them in a week. So feck only knows what is best to do.

GTbaby Fri 17-May-13 22:42:57

Have skin read to catch up. My normal MN catch up times have become my "oh god I have a headache " times. Evening n morning. I'm not dehydrated. For once my wee is the good straw colour!
Also find I'm jaw clenching alot. Which Makes it worse. Maybe jaw clenching is causing headache?

Det. Totally the same here. Hardly been out since I came back from India! I've had food poisoning, cold and cough now this stupid SPD.

To tiered. Think I'm gona watch dexter in bed.

kirrinIsland Fri 17-May-13 22:48:04

N is awake already sad this does not bode well. Last night in the pram shevwoke briefly at 12 and then for a feed at 3. Are there prams that are suitable for overnight sleeping?!

Kyzordz Fri 17-May-13 22:49:45

I'll look for those ones thanks pikz

pr the casserole was e's biggest meal too smile I'm trying to see it positively that he wanted to feed himself and ignored the mess

may need a baby jail for when he is more mobile to keep him the dogs safe

glad to read others do finger food and puree I will try not to worry! I darent say we are making progress but it feels that way for now

det perhaps stop them for a week and see what happens to his sleep?

we don't go out much. I try for twice a week so its not a huge aim. going to try to go out more but I'm not sure how I'll manage because of all the feeding!

Dixiebell Fri 17-May-13 22:50:26

We used to have the travel cot up as a baby jail option for ds1. Put a load of plastic balls in it and was like a ball pit to play in. But he never crawled so didn't use it all that much, think it might be more useful for Teddy to protect him from rampaging 2-year-old.

Just realised that I forgot to puree my carrots. I cooked a load but left them in the saucepan. DH is washing up while I feed Teddy. I bet he chucks them away! He has form for this. We had half a packet of tortillas leftover after making fajitas. He threw them away as he thought we woukdn't be having fajitas again soon. I told him I was planning to have them for my lunch for a week - wraps, quesadillas etc. why would you just throw away perfectly good food? Freeze it even!

Bryzoan Fri 17-May-13 23:14:02

Gt if you are getting lots of headaches you should mention that to your midwife to be safe. Any swelling (besides the obvious?)

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 23:23:16

I think a mix of finger food and puree is the norm outside of MN. Here there seems to be a big BLW vs puree debate.. But chomping on stuff as well as glooping it down has always been a part of weaning I think??

<whispers> I would worry about being treated in an emergency by a nurse or doctor on their 50th hour of the week. You're human too. 50 working hours in a week is too much.

kirrin if you live near an airport it is very easy entertainment. Lux airport is international but very small, so we had a good ten min between runway activity, but she found the plane car park thingy as entertaining. Te baggage carts and planes taxi-ing around. Loved it. Food was shite, but didn't realise that next to the cafe was a proper restaurant. Will go there next time.

Funnniest thing was looking around and watching the people watching us, hoping that the family with a baby and toddler weren't going to be on their flight grin

PetiteRaleuse Fri 17-May-13 23:24:04

dixie travel cot would be just as good as a play jail smile

kirrinIsland Fri 17-May-13 23:37:53

No airport near here, but Manchester isn't too far from Dad's so might try that next time I'm up there. I have often been stood in a boarding queue thinking "www, cute baby. Plead don't be sat next to me!!" grin

My baby jail is a travel cot.

Still up from 22.30 wake up. She'll sleep on me but wakes as soon as I put her down. I am losing the will to live. Surely we should be over this shit by now? I have been desperately googling pushchairs suitable for overnight sleeping but no joy yet.

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 23:38:48

Gives up. 4th wake up Just as I shut the laptop down to come to bed.

<Paddies like a 2 year old>

TheDetective Fri 17-May-13 23:40:28

Only the carry cot part in some prams is suitable. He is in the main seat and bloody loves it. hmm

Is happy sat in it in the day now too and watches me do things. Think he likes the pushchair. hmm

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 00:18:27

5th wake up. But I'm happy. DP woke up about 20 seconds after he cried! And has gone in to deal with. Just a shame I hadn't managed to actually get to sleep yet. D'oh.

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 00:19:38

No nudging kicking hitting or screaming- involved! Progress people!! Progress!

LuisGarcia Sat 18-May-13 00:22:16

Yay for you both.

LuisGarcia Sat 18-May-13 00:33:22

Message for MrTheDetective.

I know it's hard on everyone, and you haven't had a chance to give your side tonight. Just take O out for a walk in the park tomorrow morning for an hour or so. Or Sunday, that's good, too.

LuisGarcia Sat 18-May-13 00:38:35

I mean at 6 am in your pj's, you big hair straightener, you

Bryzoan Sat 18-May-13 01:11:30

Family for sale. G is on his 3rd wake up, R has been having the lonelies again, and dh has been having more night terrors. Between them they have effectively stopped me going to sleep yet. Yet most of the time 2 of the 3 have been asleep themselves. Wretches the lot of them.

Dixiebell Sat 18-May-13 01:15:04

1am? Whyyyyyyyyy?! Why not sleep more than 2 or 3 hours?! Puh-lease!!

LuisGarcia Sat 18-May-13 01:44:17

fistbumps anyone still awake

StuntNun Sat 18-May-13 02:36:25


LuisGarcia Sat 18-May-13 03:03:45

meh tooh

kirrinIsland Sat 18-May-13 03:43:15

Meh three.

Glad mrDet was on the ball just then detective

How frustrating bry

I'd dish out some sleepy dust but I don't appear to have any...

LuisGarcia Sat 18-May-13 04:14:55

quiet night. Hope that means lots of sleep

StuntNun Sat 18-May-13 04:57:19

No sleep here Luis and it's nearly morning.

LuisGarcia Sat 18-May-13 05:19:50


Bryzoan Sat 18-May-13 05:36:09

Oh dear. Poor stunt, kirrin and luis. My lot packed it in in the end thank goodness. Now I feel bad for whiging.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 18-May-13 05:39:16

Increased the carbs as paed said. Number of wake ups also increased. I think I have a little pisstaker.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 18-May-13 06:22:49

Though I think some of you had worse nights.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 18-May-13 06:23:11

So maybe I shouldn't complain.

Pikz Sat 18-May-13 06:27:13

Just get on and be able to crawl already. Been up since 4 whilst he practices in the cot.

Now to survive a hen do!

kirrinIsland Sat 18-May-13 06:42:54

N packed it in too. Slept from 3.45 til now which isn't too bad for her.

Try and enjoy the hen do pikz Hopefully you'll be fine once you get going.

What are you all up to today?

Dixiebell Sat 18-May-13 07:05:52

I was up too but struggled to keep eyes open enough to post again.

Dixiebell Sat 18-May-13 07:09:21

Think we are going to check out the new kiddicare in Southampton. I have a long list of things for our holiday. I get the feeling all the other members of my household aren't as keen as me. DS1 asks about 10 times a day, what are we doing today/tomorrow? When I told him we were going to a big shop, he said oh mummy, but I want to go somewhere today hmm.

Kyzordz Sat 18-May-13 07:19:31

Sounds like some really strong brew is needed for some of you! I was going to complain about being woken at 5:15 but I won't now, definitely not.

Today. Erm. Need ti get some cleaning done and some sweet potato puree and chips made. Apples to cook too. Wow, how sodding interesting!

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 07:33:46

I would love to go to Kiddicare. I have bought from them online. Also jealous of detective being near Winstanleys.

J slept from 9 and is still asleep. Self settled a couple of times after coughing. He vomited his full 9oz bottle last night at 8 and took a small one before going back down. I was expecting a dreadful night. I did not hear any coughing from DD2 either. My chest however is another story. I think I need antibiotics.

Hugs to all with poor sleepers. Especially Izzy and Luis who appear to not get any at all.

We have a Baby Dan jail also and I have several extender bits so can make it really big. Sadly we do not have the space to do that here really. I plan to sit in it with a book and a hot drink. The kids can do the fuck what they want as they seem to do this anyway.

Yesterday evening while I was debating whether to take J to hospital due to his breathing, I told DD1 to turn the telly off and to try to occupy her sister quietly for a few minutes. She started crying hysterically. I asked her if she cared about her little brother being ill, and she said. 'No, that is your job. I care that I am not able to watch my TV. You are the parent, I am the kid. It is your responsibility' She is nearly 7. I do not know what to think about that. I do not want her worrying, but I think she should care? Perhaps I am expecting too much of her.

Kyzordz Sat 18-May-13 07:40:45

J is doing really well to still be asleep*vq*! I don't think you're expecting too much of dd1 personally but it seems like she doesn't see why she needs to help a little for her brother's sake. Does she know how very poorly he is? And she understands that by looking after dd2 for a short while she is helping j?

horseylady Sat 18-May-13 07:51:56

vq amazed you didn't lose it!!!! She'd not be watching tv for a week!!!

Although perhaps she can see your not well and playing on it. I don't know. Hugs. Glad j slept. Ds woke at 5.30. Came into bed and snored his head off!!! Another bloody cold sad

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 08:11:11


VQ it is not her job to worry or be anxious but she clearly is a bright cookie and should be capable of understanding that she needs to step-up very occassionally. I completely agree that you don't want children worrying or taking on too much but in being able to verbalise this thought she has proven herself mature enough to get why you might need her help for 5 minutes - that is part of being a family.

I hope you can get yourself to the Dr soon and get meds.

det I am probably talking out of my arse here but is it worth taking O to the docs to get him checked over? His change in sleep pattern seems dramatic and very long lasting. I am going to throw something out here at risk of getting my behind kicked. I have never heard anyone beyond MN speak of a sleep regression. I am not doubting that intense cognitive developments will cause sleeplessness just as it does in adults but this seems extreme in duration.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 18-May-13 08:16:53

vq that is exactly the kind of reaction my mum would have had from me at that age. I would put it down to her younger siblings getting more attention the last week and being asked to do something for them was the proverbial straw and she couldn't handle her emotions so had a tantrum and lashed out at you. No excuse really and I'd be pissed off as a mum. But I also remember having a younger sibling who took up a lot of time and attention.

I might be wrong, but I remember acting up in that way.

Hope J's breathing improved.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 18-May-13 08:18:37

Oh, and when people told me or said in my hearing that I was being an attention seeker it was even more upsetting. Tough age.

Bryzoan Sat 18-May-13 08:19:01

What a little wretch vq. I would definitely be saying "you are right in that he is not your responsibility to make him better, but we are a family and it is all of our jobs to care about eachother".

Sorry you had a crap night too Dix.

Right - now for r's swimming lesson.

Evilwater Sat 18-May-13 08:19:02

Bad night, he took ages to get to bed about 2 hours,envy then he woke up at 3ish sad and P just wanted to give milk to N, he didn't bother to check his nappy envy then he said I was rationing the milk, as I didn't want to give him another 7oz.

So this morning he's had a very small breakfast angry and up at 730.

Off to catch up on the thread.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 18-May-13 08:35:50

It doesn't mean she doesn't care for or love little brother though. Don't worry about that.

Brockle Sat 18-May-13 08:41:27

I've had similar reactions from my seven year old vq but they do learn. ds1 has quickly come to realise there are rewards when he helps out but I do still get the odd teenage strop. perhaps have a chat with her, just you and her, and explain that she is your second in command (and awesome) and sometimes you just need her to help you out. I had a chat with Mahmood like that and it really helped. if he had been really helpful he would get an extra chapter at bedtime or the chance to play on the computer. doesn't always work but he is tons better.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 18-May-13 08:42:18

Marginally less awful night here, but still very, very far from where it was / where i need it to be. I was vile to DH again. He woke me this morning, despite my mum having the DC, to tell me he was going to work. When he knew I had had a crap night, and he hadn't helped despite being in the same room, and that this morning was the best chance of sleep I got. So all my overnight resolutions to be less vile were immediately replaced with a snarled "fuck off, feel free not to come home". Unlike PR, am not about to be wife of the year.

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 08:56:09

Lots of brew for those with poor nights. There are so many - just as well my coffee pot is large!

For some unknown reason DH slept very lightly last night. So lightly actually that I woke to find him getting up to P's snuffles and whimpers. It was interesting in that he always encourages me just to ignore these wee noises as she doesn't need me but I find it too hard. He was exactly the same last night. She does have a cold though so I think she does actually need the attention.

evil is your DH willing to get up very single night then? I presume so considering he is telling you what's what!

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 08:59:59

madam I am sure things will get better. It is terrible that sleep has become bad just as you go back to work - awful timing. I am sure DH will be feeling pretty daft for waking you up. Maybe a blether over some wine would help?

ChasingDaisy Sat 18-May-13 09:09:23

Not a terrible night in the end. Bed at 7.40. Woke at 8.50 and drained 5oz. Woke at 12 and self settled. Woke at 3.30 and took 2oz. In bed at 5 and awake at 7.15. So only one 2oz feed between 9-7 and a self settling.

I have been awake since 3.30 though sad

Think what he needs is a big feed at 9pm ish to see him through the night so am going to introduce a dream feed before I go to bed at 9. Previously I didn't want to disturb his long stretch of sleep but as he is waking up anyway, I have nothing to lose.

horseylady Sat 18-May-13 09:10:27

pass interestingly I have heard of regressions outside mn. A lot of my friends have had issues particularly aroun 4/6/9 months then again at 15-18 months. And one of my cousins who's girls are 14 and 12 also experienced them. I wholeheartedly agree with you that I'd be taking o to the gp or speaking to someone now about it.

Those of you finding the cot transition difficult, I covered the bars with a celluar blanket, and he sleeps surrounded by teddies. Just to help with the feeling of too much space. Might be worth trying?

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 09:45:23

Glad to hear E likes his cot now Horsey. I've heard about regressions off MN too - indeed the paed mentioned the 6 month one yesterday.

Det I knocked solids on the head for a week during the 6 month regression as having a churning belly and a whirring brain did not a sleeping baby make. Once his sleep had improved (within days but probably coincidence) we went slowly back onto solids. His sleeping and eating is fab now.

After our breakfast chat - he kinda answered it himself by nicking some of my toasted bagel yesterday (the closest he can get to toast until he can eat dairy / normal bread). Highlights from the paed yesterday which might be of use to quichettes include:

- no need to avoid egg and wheat with CMPI babies unless they have eczema or there is a family history of allergies.

- nutramigen 1 (AA lipil) is suitable for 100% of CMPI, nutramigen 2 is suitable for 90% of CMPI babies - the 10% most sensitive (typically those able to detect dairy in BM) should continue on nutramigen 1 and vitamin drops.

- allergic reactions are as likely to occur on second tastes than the first time a baby tries a food.

- don't push on through with a food that a baby seems to be reacting to - they won't 'grow out of it' any quicker if forced and it just risks eroding the oesophagus which makes eating painful and can create long term oral aversions. Any reaction means knock a food on the head for 1-6 months depending on how severe.

- I've been told to gently try trace soy in my diet from 8 months and then trace dairy and to stop if there are any reactions, and try again in 1-3 months. She's given me a way to build up starting with adding to my diet then Jonas'.

- basically try trace dairy (so maybe bread or biscuits), then yogurt (literally 1/2 teaspoon), then cheese, then butter, then last of all raw milk. This introduction process could take years. I'm glad I've gone to the faff of my elimination diet as starting with changes to my diet is super gentle on him. It might have been worth it!!!!

Evilwater Sat 18-May-13 09:54:32

kirren -jealous of you being able to pipe and have fluids.

pass- yes he does get up every night,grin this time I snapped at him. He's a bit like a 1940 man, I still blame his mum for this. Before She arrived we were much better, he would have to do things but now she does it.

madam- I'm borrowing that!

Sorry to read of the bad nights espally det here's a huge [cuppa]

MsJupiterJones Sat 18-May-13 09:59:43

YW, I asked the paed & drs about changing L's milk from AA to 2 as he has no reaction to dairy in bm but they wouldn't. No one has said anything about vitamin drops, should he be taking them?

I have heard people talk about 4 month regression but I had no idea there was a 6 month one. L's sleep has never been great apart from weeks 6 to 12 when I thought 4 hrs was great but the last week there has been a noticeable dip. Last night was a slight improvement so I am hopeful, although we have our holiday next week and then moving into cot to be potential disruptions.

Anyone have any views on whether it's better to move his cot into our room first while he gets used to it and then into his room, or go cold turkey and straight into his cot in his room?

Evilwater Sat 18-May-13 10:03:08

Jupiter - I asked a health visitor about this, and they weren't bothered about them. They mentioned something about rickets in children coming back.


Evilwater Sat 18-May-13 10:05:06

A question for the quiche!

According to the older people that I know, if N is on hie feet to early then it will cause bowed legs. Is this true?

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 10:13:44

No evil. Old wives tale

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 10:26:34

Right. Can elaborate a bit more now as P is at peace.

I checked this with my GP evil when someone at my baby massage class made a pointed comment about it when p was bouncing about. He was hmm that this had been said actually. He told me that babies need to learn how to use their legs - some sooner than others.

Worry not.

And I am pleased to be proved wrong about the regression! smile

Great info YW

Evilwater Sat 18-May-13 10:32:07

Thanks quiche!

StuntNun Sat 18-May-13 10:34:10

Vitamin drops are only needed for breastfed babies from six months or if your baby is drinking less than a pint of formula every day.

JJ rickets is relatively common in some areas, e.g. the Asian community in central Manchester, particularly as some mums won't give vitamin drops to their baby. If your baby is getting vitamin drops / formula and some sunlight (an hour a week on the face) then they won't develop rickets.

I think as a quiche we're much more observant of the sleep regressions because we're getting them at the same time in a slow wave from oldest babies to youngest babies. Whereas if I remark to my friend with a year old baby that we're having sleep issues he won't remember whether his baby had the same six months ago IYSWIM.

MsJupiterJones Sat 18-May-13 10:48:11

That's what I thought Stunt but I wondered from YW's post if her paed was saying that if he was on Nutramigen AA then he should still have the drops.

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 10:54:54

He's not on nutramigen yet, but we were given a supply and also vitamin drops with the implication that he would need both together if I even partially weaned him off me. I don't know if this is because he was prem, his restricted diet or because NHS Scotland is shit hot on vitamin deficiencies given our long dark winters and the links between vitamin D and MS. I'd ask your doc for some if worried.

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 10:59:08

Stunt I think that's spot on about the regressions. They're like Mexican waves passing through the quiche. I'm kinda glad J was early as whilst we tend to be in the first wave with little warning of approaching regressions - we're out the other side quick too and I don't have a sinking feeling watching a regression approaching wink

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 11:09:41

Oat milk pancakes with pear puree had him hooting with delight this morning! He's now BF down to a nap but is so sticky (even when wiped) eeewwww weaning nursing is messy.... envy

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 11:16:30

Good point about the regression stunt.

YW my understanding was that nutramigen 2 (whether Lipl or AA) has additional vitimins in it so if still on 1 then drops will be needed. I agree that it is well worth checking with GP. It was the dietician who spoke to me about moving to 2. I am not sure if my GP would have thought to say

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 11:22:12

Pancakes - that's a great idea!

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 11:22:53

Do you think there would be mileage in a milk free weaning thread?

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 11:31:55

I think a milk free weaning thread would be excellent. Good thinking Batman.

I posted a long post and it has not appeared.

Anyway I whined and whinged and thanked folk for feedback.

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 11:34:16

Oh, and Madam, the number of times I have wanted to say that to my DH, but never had the nerve....... Perhaps I should grin I hope your day improves x

BigPigLittlePig Sat 18-May-13 11:43:10

YW, and other dairy free-ers.
If F reacts to dairy in my bm - with reflux, gut rot and eczema - I presume this is sufficient to suggest she is CMPI? So which formula would she need prescribing? It's all so very confusing. I think I'll book an appointment with the GP soon for a chat, although lord only knows what response I'll get.

MsJupiterJones Sat 18-May-13 11:44:19

Pass there is no AA 2 which is why I wondered if the AA had enough vitamins. Paed seemed to think so which is why I was interested in what YW's paed had said.

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 12:01:42

I see JJ! Sorry for adding to the confusion.

BP sounds kinda like it I'm afraid. Impossible to say about formula. Nutramigen comes in two forms - Lipl and AA. I think that if she is able to detect CMP in your BM then she is very sensitive therefore AA. Every time I think I understand it though I realise I don't so best to speak to your doc and ask for a referral to a dietician.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 18-May-13 12:03:45

Sorry to harp on, but what was this Pepti shizzle people were talking about? Is that something completely different? And which ones smells of chip fat?

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 12:19:28

Pepti is a different brand. I do not know much except ok for CMPI.

Dr will likely say go on regular formula then LF then CMPI free probably, so baby will suffer repeatedly. Go to dietician first. They know more and could bypass the trial and error.

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 12:20:18

Pepti is made by Aptimel I think. I know of one baby who started on nutramigen and went to pepti. Can't remember why. Constipation I think. Nutramigen smells not nice. Never smelt pepti

BigPigLittlePig Sat 18-May-13 12:22:09

VQ given how she has been when I have milk, I will be lying through my teeth and saying that regular formula has been tried. And shall then use quiche wisdom to shout them down. That's the theory anyway.

Sorry for me me me, will post properly later.

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 12:27:29

Pepti is just a different brand.

I asked for it after extensive googling to find the most palatable one (allegedly). Still took a few days of mixing milks to get him to take it though.

Okay, so 11 wakings and 2 feeds, plus multiple failed transfers.

DP managed to wake for the first 2. I had to wake him for the other 4. And more than once... but he did get up at 7.30 with him without grumbling. Ignores fact I'd woke him 7 times over 20 minutes while O was screeching in the cot.

So we need to do something. But what? Help!!

No point going to GP or HV. Believe me, sleep issues just get laughed at. You're on your own with that one. hmm

Tonight will be 2 weeks of his worst ever sleep. It will also been 2 weeks since he has been on the CMPI formula. 3 weeks since weaning started.

So which is it? Or is it neither? Is it regression made worse by one of the above?

Fuck me. I'm at a massive loss as to what the fuck to do, if anything.

We've decided to give no solids today, and see what he sleeps like tonight.

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 12:38:31

I wish I had any answers det. Could you present it to the GP or HV as something other than sleep? Is O in pain? Forgive me if I am talking shit.

O has reflux, CMPI and is being weaned. It could be any of those.

I would also stop weaning. Give it a few days with no solids and see if there is any improvement.

I hate playing 'guess the cause'. It's like fucking cluedo

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 12:43:09

Cluedo grin. It was the carrot, in the stomach with the acid. LMAO!

I'm just glad we have 12 days til consultant review and 13 days til dietician appointment.

I'm not sure what to even say to the GP/HV. They don't care, and don't help. I think he does wake with pain, I can't find any other reason for it. We've tried propping the cot, but it made shit all difference hmm. Not sure what else I can do!

I'm holding on to the fact that he's always been one step forward, 2 steps back with sleep.

I just don't know what to do to get consistent sleep!

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 12:44:54

O had 7 feeds yesterday. He had 2 night ones, and 5 in the day. confused.

The child was sleeping with 4-5 feeds 2 weeks ago. hmm

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 12:52:10

Oh! I have created a CMPi weaning thread in feed the world.

Weird, weird, weird det

PurplePidjin Sat 18-May-13 13:15:21

<<<hug>>> brew <nothing useful to say>

Shit night here but his feeds are so short now i don't get to catch up. I'm hoping they'll fade to nothing soon but don't really believe it hmm think I need to be stricter about dummy and staying in the cot as he sleeps better when he's settled rather than fed to sleep.

Cauliflower cheese and pasta for lunch, bit easier on the tum than fromage frais. Vdp wore him out at dad's group though so he only ate a few mouthfuls!

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 13:33:37

BP what Pass said I'm afraid lovely. sad

Det is pepti junior soy free too? I'd give him a few days off solids to rest his system. As you say GPs and HVs are by and large useless on this topic - though interestingly the paed we saw yesterday was giving a training talk to local GPs on CMPI next week (halle - fecking - lujah!!!). It sucks ass but I just call / email the paed or dietician now. Of course by having appointments looming O will follow sods law and buck up in time for them. The babies do after all love to make liars of the mummies smile

Thanks for the thread Mrs crisps smile

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 13:36:56

Det the 6 month sleep regression is linked to a fuck off huge growth spurt. This too shall pass etc etc

Sympathies on the wankbadgering reflux cluedo. It was the fucknuggeting cow in the nursery with the screaming infant wink

Brockle Sat 18-May-13 13:38:14

really wish I could help but I am useless. sad. I know Y sleeps better if he self settles at the start if the night but Y is hit and miss with that.

I just spent last three hours on a pitch watching Zak play and then Moody. Y was brilliant but still had to feed in car which I hate. I am just starting to get feeling back in toes. this is my Saturday morning for the next ten years I reckon. why don't they do ballet and chess club?

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 13:40:43

Detective The new formula is extremely unlikely to be causing problems. It is more likely to be solids or sleep regression or a combination with a bit of teething thrown in for good measure. Keep a detailed diary, and observe closely for signs of discomfort.

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 13:48:00

VQ hope the wee man is much better today here have brew

ChasingDaisy Sat 18-May-13 13:55:03

Wow you lot have been chatty today! Will catch up when I get a chance but forgive me for asking a quick question:

O has eczema and a family history of asthma and allergies, including food allergies. Am I ok to introduce wheat and dairy at 6 months or do I need to wait longer?

Dixiebell Sat 18-May-13 14:39:42

Brockle, with two boys here I think you are describing my future too! Was hoping to get ds1 into gymnastics and swimming...at least the spectating is indoors!

Sorry to hear of everyone's sleep/eat problems. Ted is not sleeping through but I am at least thankful that he goes back down fairly easily after a feed. Also we've only had baby rice and pear puree so far but I'm remembering how nice it is to feed a baby who enjoys and gets excited about his meals - ds1 was like that until about a year old when he began to morph into the fussiest eater in the history of everything. I almost feel like teddy is a second chance to redeem myself and hope that ds1 might actually become more flexible with his eating if he sees Teddy eating proper food, not just bloody chicken nuggets and sausages.

Kiddicare was great. Was a bit stressful trying to try out buggies and carseats with a crying 6-month-old who wanted feeding/to be asleep, and a manic two-year-old who was running down the aisles with a kids' trolley/screaming for more cake and refusing to eat his sandwiches and fruit. However, we managed it, got a new Maxi-cosi carseat which ds1 can use until Teddy is big enough to go in it, and a 35 quid stroller to take on hols which reclines for Ted to sleep in. And a load of other shit. Love the large cafe, and the baby changing and twin toilets so mummy and toddler can pee at the same time!

Dixiebell Sat 18-May-13 14:43:46

Oh, meant to say bow-leg thing is rubbish. Ds1's legs are fine and he was bearing his weight v early. I have a photo of him at 9 weeks standing in his cot, with just my hand to stop him keeling backwards.

Also, on vitamin drops for bf babies, do I just buy them from the chemist?

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 15:17:02

Dixie you could get them on prescription. Love the twin toilets grin

J is up and down. Poor little sausage woke coughing and is sore and tired. He burrowed to my boob and was so chuffed, then did not know what to do with it, but it seemed to comfort him. Have given skin to skin a couple of times when nothing seems to sooth him.

Have not given ranitidine today as twice yesterday he threw up just after having it. Just giving gaviscon. Not sure if I have made the right decision but he does not seem any worse for it. I will be demanding omeprazole is it? I need something that works without giving side effects that are worse than the sodding reflux.

I am fed up of this game. And I am bleeding like a stuck pig.

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 15:23:33

Can we have a group hug please?!

Bloody dead on my feet here. O is asleep, but I can never 'sleep when the baby does' as he wakes and needs rocking back to sleep. So how does one sleep when being woke up every 20 minutes then?!

Am going to start that diary. And write every fucking thing down!

YW If I had the energy to move off my ass and go in the kitchen and look, I would! I'll google the answer instead...!

Kyzordz Sat 18-May-13 15:28:58

It might take more than a day without solids to see any difference detective but I hope you find the cause for it soon! I really hate guessing games too

hid some parsnip in sweet potato puree today with success! He didn't want his yoghurt and got pissy with his toast. I think it's because he can't bite bits off easily so tries to stuff a load in his mouth resulting in me having to fish it out. He really can't eat a whole soldier at once!

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 15:36:44

I had a look - can't tell. Didn't see soy in the ingredients, but loads of other stuff I have no idea what it is!

<Wipes jaffa cake crumbs from around mouth>

I googled, and couldn't find the answer.

PurplePidjin Sat 18-May-13 15:41:10

Overtired baby woke up coming out of the sling from dad's group, ate v little lunch, did 30 mins in cot then refused to go back to sleep. Howled and had both boobs twice in 40 mins so vvvdp has taken him to Lidl for teabags etc. I'm under strict orders to park my arse on the sofa!

Vvvdp has roasted lamb. But wondered why i looked hmm when he tried to serve it up at 2:30. It is now resting pending their return...

<joins in group hug>


PetiteRaleuse Sat 18-May-13 15:58:28


we've spent the day at the zoo. We were going to go to Metz for the day but changed our mind on the way. DD1 loved it, especially the sea lion show. She was hilarious.

Took her to the loo at lunchtime. When she went I said bravo, and applauded her. Then I went and she shouted bravo Maman and clapped, much to the amusement of everyone else in the zoo loos grin

Kyzordz Sat 18-May-13 16:52:22

Aww bless her pr

<hugs> detective many hugs

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 17:05:55

Big big big hug detective.

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 17:08:25

And it was the three year old, with the poo, but not in the fucking nappy.

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 17:08:44

Yay for hugs!

<can hardly see screen for tears in eyes>

Off for a bath with O. Bonding time!

Dp is cooking syn free cake. I will have a better night. I will! And so will all of us! <threatens babies with no toys if no sleeps!>

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 17:09:54

Potty even. Fuck. I need sleep and well children and a DH I can put a VVV in front of. It is actually lovely to see you refer to him like that PP

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 17:15:42

Mine would be getting FFFFFFP at the moment grin.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 18-May-13 17:21:38

Fucksticks. Wrote enormous post and lost the lot angry

BigPigLittlePig Sat 18-May-13 17:27:40

Sorry to hear of so many bad nights - luis, chasing, det and any others I can't remember. I hope this too will pass, very fucking soon.

Det O reminds me of how awful Fs sleep was 4 or 5 weeks ago. It really is a horrible feeling, and all the worse for not knowing what you can do to improve the situation. It's a good job they're cute during the day to make up for the nocturnal horrors.

PR the zoo sounds lovely, and your toilet story made me smile

Kyz glad weaning is going well, and chasing too - O looked like he was enjoying his sweet potato.

Pass great idea about the CMPI thread, I eagerly await input from non-quichesters. Thankyou, and YW for your advice.

DH has been in a right stinker today, so there has been a bit of an atmosphere. But the sun is shining, and we had a lovely walk to the library this morning, and got a load of books - including some to read to F. She loves stroking the pages and trying to lick them. And pureed parsnip went down an absolute storm at lunchtime.

Dixiebell Sat 18-May-13 17:38:11

PR, gotta live the toddler toilet comments. DS1 keeps up a running commentary on both his and my, ahem, output. So conversation in public loos goes something like 'is it your turn mummy? You doing a weewee mummy? Is it a big one? I can hear it! It's a very big weewee mummy. You need a poopoo mummy?.....' blush

Dixiebell Sat 18-May-13 17:38:33

Love, not live.

ChasingDaisy Sat 18-May-13 17:40:04

<bundles into quiche group hug --and cries-->

Thanks pig, O loved sweet potato. He thought it was great fun to squish in his fingers and when he put it in his mouth, he actually chewed. And swallowed shock. Amazing. Very pleased.

VQ I agree, it is lovely to see you refer to your DP in that way pidj. Not jealous at all.

Feeling very very low today.

<Stumbles in to fred tired and weepy>

I have a non-napping baby again and so much to do. Luckily DH went to cricket but it got called off so he's home again. M will only sleep in the car seat - after multiple cot attempts she's wriggled to the top of the cot and tried to escape through the bars.

I think she's teething, she has a little slit on her bottom gum - is this a tooth coming through.

I've struggled to keep up with the thread, in fact I've struggled this week full stop sad So sorry for not keeping up with everyone else and only posting about myself.

Off camping on Thursday so currently writing a long list of everything we need. Anyone any ideas for easy camping meals??

(((hugs))) chasing, we can feel low together smile

PurplePidjin Sat 18-May-13 18:09:51


He's off to run with the club tomorrow for the first time since before Christmas <eep>

PurplePidjin Sat 18-May-13 18:15:56


Veggie sausages with instant mash and baked beans - veggie stuff needs less assiduous refrigeration
Packet cheese sauce with pasta, tuna and sweetcorn
Burgers in pita bread - pita is flatter therefore easier to store, and doesn't go stale as quick. Lamb burgers with mint yoghurt is lush
Chicken fajitas
Tinned soup

Take a big saucepan of stew down ready for the first night - pitching a tent is hungry work - and have with fresh bread. You can toast the rest of the bread in the morning, or have french toast if it's really solid wink

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 18:47:19

Any particular reason chasing? Apart from the obvious?

MissMummy1 Sat 18-May-13 18:53:33

<group hug>

Fucking eBay. I got carried away in a bidding war snd bought a macpac rucksack baby carrier thingy for a lot more than I wanted to.

Sorry to hear of poorly babies and knackered babies.

We went swimming today and DP has whinged all day that he hasnt been able to slewp (he is currently on nights). The bugger is able to sleep most of the night at work envy

Zoo sounded fun! We have a memvers party night at edinburgh zoo to go to on Friday night. Apparently involving a night time safari, tapas and cocktails hmm Monthly date nights are getting hard to top grin

MissMummy1 Sat 18-May-13 18:54:06

knackered mummies...

BigPigLittlePig Sat 18-May-13 19:09:29

<squidges chasing in a nice way>

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 19:13:06

We have a Cadac so have cooked breakfast when camping, to piss off all the neighbours mainly, then not hungry until BBQ in evening. Bit different with the kids though obviously, and we do have salad grin

We also have porridge when sick of meat.

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 19:17:03

Had my sis and family round for roast dinner. We tried dairy and soy free 'ice cream' (made by bessant and drurys made from coconut cream) for pudding as 4/8 us can't eat dairy and soy. It was amazing - so so good (especially the strawberry one) and errr we've found another food the bear goes berserk for blush. Bad Mummy - but with so many foods off the menu it was lovely to see him go nuts for a few spoonfuls and to see his 20 month cousin have her first ever 'ice cream'. He also ate roast chicken, carrot and sword swallowed some roast parsnip to everyones' shock shock shock shock shock shock. Am much more confident when my sis with her baby first aid course skills is at the table.

And vvvvvvDH got him to nap in the cot for half an hour. A good start smile the trick seemed to be to put him in his sleeping bag.

A fab day at Chez Wellies it felt like eating a normal diet - am going to celebrate with wine later.

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 19:19:35

Gutentag wimmins and man,

Pishy pishy weather here in scotlandshire.

We have done naff all. P spent all day in her jammies. We did go to Waitrose to get posh noms and ended up getting loads of Ella's kitchen purée. We also went to TK Maxx and bought the cat a dog bed. We like to keep things even.

I am very envy of your zoo action PR and you MM! We looked into getting married in Edinburgh zoo but as it was in February there seemed to point. And my granny would have struggled up the stairs in the venue. Had Blair Drummond offered weddings we would have gone for that. Dh suggested we get a season ticket. Nice one!

Hope you enjoyed sitting on the sofa Pp. Doesn't sound like you get much time for that so well deserved. Your vvvdp could maybe have a word with some of the bawbags who our beautiful quiche ladies seem to have landed. Him and luis.

Great big cuddles to fatima. sad you sound really fed up. Also cuddles to VQ, det, chasing and . . . Fuck it . . . Cuddles all round

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 19:23:30

Good times YW! All round your lovely new table? I bought some vitalite today and thought of you grin

PurplePidjin Sat 18-May-13 19:25:05

He's got a couple of black belts, would you like that word with a sharp or blunt edge?

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 19:27:31

I like your thinking PP. Start blunt then go in sharp? Or is blunt more painful? Maybe just a massive pummelling?

PurplePidjin Sat 18-May-13 19:46:07

More like:

What do you do when the missis is on the sofa under a sleeping baby?

Go to hockey cos it's quiet?

<punch> Wrong! Hobbies are by prior arrangement and each partner gets equal time. When she's had equivalent time, you can discuss going back.

Erm... Pop to the shop for chocolate?

<slap> Nu-uh. Never just waltz out, it's not that simple for her as she has to Make Arrangements. Only go to the shop if taking at least one older child or purchasing essentials, including snacks for her relevant to her current nutritional needs.

Ok, ok... Take my shirt off and offer to take the baby?


Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 19:56:24

Good job mr purple. Fair point, well made.

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 19:56:34

Nice one YW! Lovely to hear of you enjoying decent food x

Pass, I had a season ticket for BD for three years running. I thoroughly recommend it. I was going to get one last year but the broken leg put an end to that idea. Debating whether to do it again this year, but with two kids to pay for as well it is quite an expenditure. It is wonderful as it takes away the 'where shall we go today' thoughts as you can go a few times and do the different areas each time. With little ones they cannot cope with a full day doing everything, and it is good for BBQs as well. Best avoided in school holidays although if you get there at opening time and go before it gets busy it is ok. Having a kid gives you a good excuse to go as well grin

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 19:59:44

PP my not so fucking DH is being despatched to you and should be there between 10 and 12 tomorrow grin please give him the full treatment, but no cigars as he gave up.

PurplePidjin Sat 18-May-13 20:06:14

Only if you come too, VQ so we can talk fluff and leave the babies to entertain each other grin

Oh and make it more the 12 side because of the run <eep>


YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 20:08:05

PP grin grin grin grin

I came down this morning to find DH tossing dairy free pancakes with Jonas looking on under his arm like a rugby ball. I felt that was near female levels of multi tasking and was v proud smile

MissMummy1 Sat 18-May-13 20:08:57

Ultimate sleepdodging overtired whingebag here tonight

<foghts urge to phone dp home from work for the second time in a week> blush

ChasingDaisy Sat 18-May-13 20:12:28

VQ just the obvious really. Plus feeling very tired, rundown, poorly and could really do with a cuddle. And a P worthy of 'D' status let alone any 'V's.

He doesn't care one jot about how tired I am. He even hinted that he wanted to go back to bed for a few hours this morning. When I had been awake since 3.30.

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 20:21:01

Ok. Good start. He is in the basket inside the cot. He is snuggled in to my very dirty and smelly in need of washing nightshirt. I am hoping the smell will either knock him out, or make him think mummy is right by him grin.

I've also given him his bedtime meds after his bottle. My reasoning being that it washes away whatever is in his throat, and will sit on top of the milk. Should acid rise, it might not bother him so much if it isn't as acidic. Dunno. But I thought it worth a shot. It was rather tricky to get it in to a sleeping baby though, as he rare occurrence these days! fell asleep with his feed.

Please, let something, anything work!!

Good fucking luck tonight people!

If we get a good night, we are going to take the boys to splashworld in Southport tomorrow. I hope we get a good night. I want to get out the bastarding house and feel human about it!

PennieLane Sat 18-May-13 20:26:04

JJ we moved DD to own room during 6 month sleep regression, with the thinking that we wouldn't want more upheaval once the regression was done. It worked for us.

We appear to be post-regression and its left us with a baby that wakes once a night instead of sleeping through like before. There are worse things.

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 20:33:29

Pennie that's what we did too. First into his big cot in our room, then I slept downstairs in the guest bedroom for 3 nights so he got used to sleeping without me but with Daddy close - then into his own room. We are tending toward one night feed, sometimes two, sometimes none but usually 8.30pm til 9am so I'm cool with the odd waking as I'm getting caught up on sleep.

Dear god weaning poos are horrific - I miss sweet smelling infrequent BM poos!

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 20:51:52

He's made 2 crying out noises. That's it so far. If he hasn't woke by 10, I am going to bed. Yay.

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 20:53:23

An actual child is the perfect reason to go to BD VQ! I love it there. You are totally right about avoiding holidays though. We one watched a woman throwing Doritos into the otter enclosure. While she DS this her handbag was knocked it spilling her sunny delight all over the place. Resident otter made a beeline for her handbag and after lapping up some sunny delight he started to haul out her cigarettes. She was squaling "ma fags, ma fags!". Unknown to her the wee boy she was with had climbed onto the wall to get a better view. He is about 3 and standing on the wall watching. I end up with my arm across him trying to keep his balance while his maw bemoaned the loss of her ciggies.

It was quite the scene.

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 20:55:22

Detective Pepti includes Lactose for flavour so if he is Lactose intolerant that would explain a few things.

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 20:57:14

Fuck shock.

Why the fuck would they put that in? Where did you see that?

Myabe I should just go and ask for Nutramigen AA?

He's much calmer in the day, although still having 'off' times, they are less.

I think.

I don't really know anything any more!

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 20:59:22

My best memory of BD is on the ape boat. One ape got a bit annoyed and chucked a tree trunk at the boat. He just ripped it out of the side if the island so it was nice and damp. Made a hell of a thud. I saw it coming and instinctively covered DD, but the other kids on the boat were covered. There was one little brat who had pinched our seat by pushing in front, and she had mud in her mouth grin

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 21:00:21

It's ok, just found the info.


ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 21:00:35

I googled and it says on the website. I will go and double check. You go to the main page, and click 'agree' then it is on the next page.

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 21:02:01

Serves her seat-pinching self right!

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 21:06:03

Aptimil Pepti includes lactose for improved taste. Deffo.


ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 21:06:52

Half way down the page, under 'how it works'

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 21:09:17

Yep, found the info.

Not sure what to think. I thought the pepti was improving things. Perhaps it isn't?

I think I will give it til monday, see if the sleep improves over the next 2 nights, and go from there.

I might ring paeds at work and beg for an earlier appointment and get this sorted once and for all.

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 21:09:43

May be completely irrelevant, but I recall you saying there was a cousin who was lactose intolerant?

pass my thoughts exactly!

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 21:10:28

Yes, DP's nephew, who is 6 months older than O.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 18-May-13 21:27:42

Knackered after walking round the zoo and then took the dog for a run this evening. Ok, a walk, but a fast one.

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 21:29:36

Secondary lactose intolerance can be a side effect of the gut damage caused by CMPI. Jonas has it and as there's nothing I can do about the lactose in my BM he is exposed. Normally its not an issue but it can cause foul smelling explosive nappies.

I did wonder why no one had mentioned Pepti junior to us sad

kirrinIsland Sat 18-May-13 21:29:39

I posted earlier but it didn't appear confused so I am now a little behind.

Madame I would have responded like that. Why on earth did he need to wake you to tell that? Where else would he be going? Hope your day has improved.

PR I am currently being applauded for peeing by DD1. A tad embarrassing in public loos but tbh it's nice to feel like I've achieved something!

I took her to the farm today - her first trip out with no nappy. She did well. No accidents, but she was a little reluctant to use their toilets at first. Very pleased with her. She did manage to spill a full cup of juice all over herself though, so the spare clothes i'd bought came in handy after all!

I suspect I've missed the group hug but I was comforted by the thought! Hope everyone is doing ok.

I'm going to risk going to bed early. I did that last night and N woke up 5 minutes later and stayed awake for 2 hours. So I'm not sure if I'm being sensible or tempting fate. Time will tell.........

TheDetective Sat 18-May-13 21:33:57

Yes Kirrin, same here. Tonight we haven't yet had a wake up. Maybe it's my minging shirt? Maybe it's the lack of solids. Maybe he finally feels sorry for his poor knackered parents? Or maybe I just put the right foot on the floor when I stood up. It feels that fucking random, doesn't it?!

DS1 is in the dog house. He is upstairs making noise. I've told him if he doesn't cut it out, he will have to go to bed when O does. Fucking noisy kids. I swear if he had woken O, I'd have thrown all his electrical goods out the window, and perhaps him after them!

BigPigLittlePig Sat 18-May-13 21:41:53

<staggers onto thread>

Friends popped over at 7, smack bang in the middle of bedtime. Fine. Just settling F at 8.30 when PILs waltzed in too and played pass the baby. Apart from anything else, I look like a tonne of shite as haven't got round to washing my hair for a few days. And hayfevers been a bitch so no makeup. Oh well.

SOrry to harp on and on and on about this CMPI stuff, just trying to get my noggin around it. F did have manky eggy explosive nappies when I was having milk. They have gone and we now have weaning nappies wish they were normal bm ones, not that I can remember what they were like Does this mean she is likely to be just CMPI? And not lactose intolerant? Lactose intolerance is rare, right? Gah, fuzzy head.

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 21:47:49

bp true lactose intolerance is rare. Secondary lactose intolerance is fairly common. Nutramigen is suitable for babies avoiding lactose soy and CMPI.

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 21:49:42

No expert BP but I would be very surprised if F was lactose intolerant. Much more likely to be CMPI. You are not 'harping on' either so wheesht with all that!

And what is with people just dropping in? Eh? Get tae fuck! I was aghast when two seperate lots of friends stayed well passed baby bedtime when round for lunch. In my head baby bed time was leaving time - they had been there since 12!

Can you have wine. Never heard of a wine intolerance

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 21:50:55

Ok quiche, J is on Nutrimigen but has now got really quite bad eczema. He has had one rusk and no BM for 6 weeks or so. His skin has been dodgy for a while, and the rusk made it no worse. I will be taking him to the Dr this week anyway about the Ranitadine, so will mention it then. Any thoughts?

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 22:03:49

Hmm. No idea I'm afraid. Could he still be reacting to the trace amounts in nutramigen?

Dexter series 5 in the bag!

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 22:08:45

Hmmm its not going to be the nutramigen (are you on AA?)... Maybe a food reaction but also maybe something you're bathing him in / washing powder? A wee patch has appeared on Jonas' knee crease but it came up pre-weaning so I'm thinking its not food based. Thankfully he's not scratching it.

BPLP F is most likely to have CMPI maybe with secondary lactose intolerance resulting from CMPI. True lactose intolerance is super rare and all the kids I've met allegedly with it seem to have had their CMPI ignored blush

BigPigLittlePig Sat 18-May-13 22:18:02

I feel extraordinarily guilty that I didn't try without dairy sooner. When I think back to all those nights of screaming agony, hours and hours of wailing and tears, which I could have avoided.

VQ as J has been poorly, could that not have triggered off the worsening of the eczema?

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 22:19:43

P has eczema - on her face, chest and knee creases. She hasn't had any allergen since she was 4 weeks old so likely just genetics (?) or her skin. Same with J?

Passmethecrisps Sat 18-May-13 22:21:59

When we were in hospital the docs all used lactose intolerance and CMP intolerance interchangably. It was me sticking with CMPI that made them use it consistently. No wonder the paed recently was taken aback by me using the terminology

YellowWellies Sat 18-May-13 22:25:53

I didn't mean you BPLP blush!!!!! I was thinking of DSIL who was ignored by the docs for months until her FF DD's CMPI had worsened to full blown lactose intolerance. Sorry hon xxxxx

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 22:28:58

Not related to illness as it has been a while now. About two weeks after he started on the Nutrimigen so not linked to solids either. Perhaps he needs AA. I dunno. Need to look at my diary and see if there is a pattern. Around time ranitidine started come to think of it. I will check side effects when I am more awake.

Need to attempt sleep. J has been coughing a lot. I am so tempted to sleep on his floor but I know my coughing would disturb him and I would not sleep either. He has a good monitor and I could be in to him before I could heave my old fat arse up off the floor anyway.

ValiumQueen Sat 18-May-13 22:32:20

BP don't feel bad. Breast is best, or so we are told. Sometimes it causes problems. My poor J suffered dreadfully. He is my third and you are on your first. Don't feel bad honey x