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November 2012 - Babies' first holidays: India, Australia, the world is their oyster

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StuntNun Thu 09-May-13 07:25:57
BigPigLittlePig Thu 09-May-13 11:08:33

Bognor Regis?

Not really it just sounds funny

Pikz Thu 09-May-13 11:12:51

Hehehe bplp I had the same thought!

KatieLily12 Thu 09-May-13 11:38:22

Oooooo we're visiting friends in Helenski. I'm terrified

PetiteRaleuse Thu 09-May-13 11:47:36

We're going to Lancashire. <beats everyone else hands down with the glamourous destinations competition>

StuntNun Thu 09-May-13 12:33:55

Yeah well we're going to Fife where we lived for eight years so it's more like going home than going on holiday.

PurplePidjin Thu 09-May-13 12:39:07

Glamorous Bournemouth? Not even a holiday just a nearby town hmm

Brockle Thu 09-May-13 12:49:30

if work approve my hols then Bethlehem in Palestinian territories to stay with DH's family. not looking forward to it to be honest. been there lots, lovely place, love his family but there is usually some sort of crap to deal with re SIL and BIL. Kids love it though.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Thu 09-May-13 13:04:41

DS's first hol was Butlins in Minehead. How did this glamourous destination not make the thread title? grin

ChasingDaisy Thu 09-May-13 13:54:07

No hols for us this year sad I will live vicariously through you all smile

KatieLily12 Thu 09-May-13 14:05:09

To be fair we're going for free. Last detonation was Dorset. Also free

fruitpastilles Thu 09-May-13 16:58:07

No holiday for us either sad poor dp didn't have one last year either, he's desperate for one, I'm hoping he will surprise us with a break in September wishful thinking

Kyzordz Thu 09-May-13 18:02:01

Marking place, no hols here either sad

ValiumQueen Thu 09-May-13 18:33:53

I will also be going to Lancashire. Clearly this is where all the posh classy people go. Bolton Le Sands to be exact. In a frigging tent although it has been agreed I can stay with MIL with boy due to sleep and feeding issues.

BigPigLittlePig Thu 09-May-13 19:02:59

Get in, vq
Can no longer be arsed with erecting tents etc. And smelling of mildew for the duration. Sorry to any happy campers out there.

KatieLily12 Thu 09-May-13 20:18:53

Ooooo I said detonation

I left Dorset standing

PetiteRaleuse Thu 09-May-13 20:23:48

Lived in Lancashire for 18 years so am going home, I suppose. Yeah vq we are well posh us.

KatieLily12 Thu 09-May-13 20:26:42

Is it wrong that I read brockie's post as the kids live the drama? I picture them watching tennis match style as people bicker.

I might need more sleep

Brockle Thu 09-May-13 20:39:23

my ds1 is probably now old enough to sit there and enjoy it katie grin grin I am not. grin

KatieLily12 Thu 09-May-13 20:46:47

Would the arguing be improved by his contribution?

I was having a proper 'I'm fed up with you being a lazy git' style rant at OH the other day and felt terrible that I was telling in front of LO. Ha! She was laughing her head off! I couldn't keep a straight face as she burst out laughing everytime I yelled!

Brockle Thu 09-May-13 20:55:03

prob not, he would prob be screamed at, SIL has done that before. oh joy grin

Brockle Thu 09-May-13 20:55:03

prob not, he would prob be screamed at, SIL has done that before. oh joy grin

Evilwater Thu 09-May-13 21:01:02

I live in the SW, does that mean I'm having a hoilday every day?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 09-May-13 21:21:03

Doesn't feel much like a holiday at the moment here evil - maybe I'm not quite south or west enough.

Evilwater Thu 09-May-13 21:22:03

No not tonight, you've got gales too big?

BigPigLittlePig Thu 09-May-13 21:25:43

Yes. Plus I believe that when one is on ones holidays, one should feel well rested?

Pikz Thu 09-May-13 21:36:50

Bplp and chasing in blaming you both for meaning I need to look at detectives cousin! blush

Pikz Thu 09-May-13 21:38:40

See we are going to lots of glam destinations but so DP can jump out of perfectly good aeroplanes whilst I attempt not to let LO kill himself at drop zones. We've done France and will be doing holland, South Africa, Canada and Spain.

TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 21:40:21

You dirty biatches grin.

I'll invite you to the next family do - his brothers wedding grin. Save the date ladies wink.

Well O went to Switzerland. The same as DS1 for his first holiday! I would like a little weekend away in July before DP goes back to work. I don't know where though. And it has to be cheap. And not in a fucking tent grin. And no more than 2 hour drive!

ValiumQueen Thu 09-May-13 21:42:57

detective that is one lovely cousin grin

Here is a link to my cousins :


Elizadoesdolittle Thu 09-May-13 21:44:40

BPLP Nope, the heart attack couple were at the top of the chain. My buyers were the bottom of the chain. Good memory! Heart attack man is recovered but due to dragging their heels and generally not being as open and honest about things as they could have been, led to my buyers having enough and pulling out. Aparantley they have "found" some extra money and are going to go for a bigger property. Wish I could find money like that. I'm lucky to find a quid.

Cheers for all you well wishes and for the swearing detective Knew I could count on you on that front smile

We are off to cyrpus next month. Can't come quick enough!

TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 21:45:15

There could be a trade of cousins going on here!

ValiumQueen Thu 09-May-13 21:45:36

detective I do hope he does not need AA. I will be gutted if we have another relapse and change, and I think the Doctor would section me.

TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 21:45:58

grin Eliza.

I don't like to disappoint!

ValiumQueen Thu 09-May-13 21:46:42

They are lovely lovely boys and I blush when I see pictures of them half naked and gyrating blush

daisychain76 Thu 09-May-13 21:47:42

We're off to Majorca in a month or two. Never been abroad with any of the dcs and am petrified of flying hmmm, should be interesting!

DS1 (8) came home from school telling me that a boy in his class has "a press" on a girl in his class. Took a while to work out that he meant "a crush"!

Tried H with thai green curry tonight, which he was completely uninterested in despite me spending about an hour painstakingly making the curry paste myself. Then pear and blueberry crumble with cream, which was a definite hit.

daisychain76 Thu 09-May-13 21:48:47

Realised my post totally ignored everything being discussed. Sorry, not caught up. Supposed to be working...

TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 21:56:39

I got a booklet from the HV's today on milk free weaning.

It's quite funny.

I'll share one of the recipes.

Milk free Custard.

2 rounded teaspoons of custard powder. 200ml of milk substitute formula.

Mix together. Put in pan. Whist over medium heat until custard thickens.


TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 21:57:28

I feel so wrong when I find a man attractive. And then find out he is 16 or some such ridiculous age. Terrible!

PennieLane Thu 09-May-13 22:11:05

How odd detective!

We went to Lux, our next trip is Ireland, would love to go to O.P.T or Israel actually! Amazing!

We're driving to Ireland in a borrowed camper van, we could be ready to kill eachother at the end of it!

KatieLily12 Thu 09-May-13 22:14:28

Oh dear

LO loving solids but really struggling with more solid poos. She's crying and straining and only produced pellets and now nothing. Poor thing. I've tried massage and she's getting plenty of milk feeds and water with meals. Anything else we can try. She's really uncomfortable.

Kyzordz Thu 09-May-13 22:18:05

Evening all!

Aw chasing there are far better people in our quiche to use as inspiration for weaning. Besides, sounds like you're doing fab smile

I couldn't click a weaning link someone posted on t'other Fred. I also can't remember who posted it blush

Today e was offered something each meal and whilst he did well I don't want to overwhelm him. Depending on how he is I'll offer something at lunch. Probably pear again because I was chuffed to bits he took a whole cube and enjoyed it! His cough is awful and wakes him from naps, he had an hour today and has woken several times since bed time sad no temp and very bright. Only other thing is he did a small mucousy poo this morning and nothing since. Lots of farts though! The amount of poo is unusual

eliza that sucks sad

horsey what are you annoyed at?

So, I deduce from info, food is important but no need to stress as long as milk is drank and a variety of food is offered it will work out ok.

Most important bit certainly for me is don't panic and stress.

I'm sure I meant to say more! Hope sleep is had all round

TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 22:18:18

A tiny bit of prune juice in her water will help her go Katie.

TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 22:19:26

And you can't be as bad as spag bol cousin kyz grin

Kyzordz Thu 09-May-13 22:19:59

Sorry LO is uncomfy katy have you tried sugar in the water or prune juice (think its diluted but someone else will know for sure)

horseylady Thu 09-May-13 22:20:47

We've been to France.

Currently debating going to my parents place in spain or buying another house.

My fil is pissing me off. He went away last week. Came back fri called dh said he was depressed going to stay at sil. Came back sat, both of us out. Lots of phonecalls. Came over Sunday, Monday morning, Monday night. Said he was going to commit suicide. Called us both twice Tuesday. I spent 4 hours round there yesterday doing stuff for the business (his) and his holidays. We both went out last night. Today he called me four times. About how to send an email, do a letter, change the font etc. ds been either laughing or screaming. Dh came in, went out again. Left me with screaming child. Fil came round as dh got in. More business talk about fucking tax. And how my he's paying. He doesn't get it. I've still not done my horse. Ds kicks off again.

I just went upstairs.

Ds then fell asleep in the bath?! My patents did my horse.

Kyzordz Thu 09-May-13 22:22:32

Lol very true det! Mum got me to write a list of the things he has liked/tried and theres more there than I thought! Seems alot of the time my timing has been wrong and what he's eaten once he's refused another time probable due to tiredness or too full/hungry

KatieLily12 Thu 09-May-13 22:26:48

Was it this link? http://www.who.int/features/qa/21/en/index.html

Not sure how to hyperlink on here.

You ok horsey?

Thanks for prune tips. Will get done tomorrow. Poor thing is desperately uncomfortable. I feel bad, like I should be slowing her down but she is loving her grub. I've popped some dried apricots in water in fridge overnight to purée in morning and will add to breakfast. I've read that it can help. Not sure if she'll take purée. She seems to be a BLW's dream child. I tried to give her steamed apple and she spat it all out in favour of chunks of mango. Strong willed lassie this one!

TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 22:29:50

If you put [[ http://www.who.int/features/qa/21/en/index.html ]] minus the two spaces in the brackets, this will link!

[[ http://www.who.int/features/qa/21/en/index.html]] Voila!

TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 22:30:15
YellowWellies Thu 09-May-13 22:30:38

Det that sounds like the booklet we have. It also suggests soy yogurt at every turn which doesn't help us. Bryzoan I'm happy to make a copy if I can find it.

Horsey I'm going to BF until he's one. If it weren't for my soy and dairy free diet I would happily BF until he self weaned as there is a lot of good science commending extended feeding. Feel a bit shit weaning early for such selfish reasons as chocolate, cheese and Chinese food as I do love nursing - but also more seriously we want to try for number two next year and I'm going to need to build up my calcium, iodine etc stores.

Our holidays are going to be Oxford to visit pals, and Yorkshire with family. We were thinking about Italy or France - just the three of us - but going to places with amazing food whilst I'm on a restricted diet would make me rage envy blush

TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 22:31:36

I've got melon for O. And some nectarines. Best place to go to for weaning fruit and veg - veg shop! Get loads of yummy stuff! He's nearly been through all the fucking purees I did the other day. hmm

TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 22:32:26

Does it have chocolate custard, milk free white sauce and rice pudding too YW? grin

TheDetective Thu 09-May-13 22:33:40

The foods that are okay have lots crossed out in this. hmm I think I'll just ring the supermarkets and ask for a list of dairy free foods as he gets bigger.

The consultant I saw today told me how to make yoghurts with O's milk, which was nice of her! It does involve buying a yoghurt maker though grin.

KatieLily12 Thu 09-May-13 22:36:32

I thought you meant me detective

I was all 'sheesh, I'm just tired ok?!?'


Kyzordz Thu 09-May-13 22:37:20

That's the link, thankyou smile

MsJupiterJones Thu 09-May-13 22:38:11

Hello new thread.

If you want to do a hyperlink but show a word instead of the whole URL, you put a space and then the word or text before closing the brackets.

I.e. [[ http://www.who.int/features/qa/21/en/index.html Voila! ]] becomes


KatieLily12 Thu 09-May-13 22:39:13

I recommend you do not google natural remedies for constipation. Wow

Just, wow.

MsJupiterJones Thu 09-May-13 22:44:45

Also, bloody hell Eliza that is shit. I thought it must be the heart attack people but have just read it's not. Hope a buyer swoops in quickly.

In holiday news I am going to Jersey with my DMum and L in a couple of weeks. Really going to miss DH and his early morning childcare.

ChasingDaisy Thu 09-May-13 23:07:32

First waking sad

ValiumQueen Thu 09-May-13 23:09:41

Detective you can make yoghurt in a normal flask. No need to buy fancy shit.

J just woke screaming 1.5 hours after going to bed. I sent DH down fora bottle and he was panicking and flustered by the time he came up. And this was from a fully awake start. J drank 6 oz and is asleep again. I think it may be the baby rice. If so is that just the reflux aggravated or an intolerance?

Been looking at property porn. Bungalows with vast open plan rooms and fields for gardens. I wish.

No sign of pass today. Hope you are ok my dear x

YellowWellies Thu 09-May-13 23:17:06

I'd be wary of any supermarket dairy free food list Det as so many foods change their ingredients all of the time (Tesco's one brand of bread I can eat and pork pies - both staples in this house keep chopping and changing their ingredients so sometimes are safe sometimes not I have to check EVERY fecking time angry angry ) if such a list a) existed and b) was reliable - I'd use em.

Sadly I think your future will involve shopping the slow and infuriating way - reading every label or making everything from scratch. It does my head in. In terms of labeling Sainsburys are great - Asda are shite and the others somewhere in the middle. I went into a Morrison's the other day and found 4 ready made sandwiches I could eat (my own sad test) a record!!!

I have just discovered that Fife's biggest dairy free / health food shop is just a mile away - this has made me pathetically happy smile

YellowWellies Thu 09-May-13 23:20:00

VQ baby rice coats their throats and can make stomach acid stick and burn - I've not dared try it yet. Dietician said if its an issue - don't worry just don't give it. Porridge can do the same. Poor wee reflux sausages - give him a big squeeze from me xxx

PurplePidjin Thu 09-May-13 23:24:52

We're thinking about Staffordshire for a Hotrod Show in June then back to Santa Pod for Action in September. Too skint for "proper" holidays but hopefully we'll get to see friends smile

Fingers firmly crossed please. Dp has dome a bit of freelance marketing for a mate, and they're going to be talking about a permanent job tomorrow. Wouldn't be much money but walking distance and a fab company are worth so much more. Also got 2 other possibilities we're waiting to hear from - as long as he's not going back to the cunts i don't care!

I am thankful for dp, my youthie lot who make me giggle, and R.

ChasingDaisy Thu 09-May-13 23:27:10

Gosh, poor reflux-y babies sad it is horrible that ones so young have to deal with this pain.

Was watching the Paul O'Grady dogs programme and got very upset seeing a dog under general anaesthetic as it made me think how I would feel if O were to ever need an operation or get poorly. It also made me realise how much my dad looks lik POG.

Bryzoan Fri 10-May-13 01:59:34

Horsey - you have my sympathies. Sounds a nightmare.

Thanks yw but don't worry, sounds like a hv stock leaflet. Will drag myself to see ours. Have been avoiding her with g as she was worse than useless with r refusing a physio referral when r still wouldn't weight bear at 1, and phoning portage who now provide r with extra developmental support after i had set up an initial visit myself and asking them not to get involved, implying it would only feed my paranoia. Just thinking about it brings me over all sweary Wednesday. But even she ought to be able to manage a fucking leaflet. In fact I would go so far as to say handing out fuckng leaflets is quite possibly her speciality.

<wishes for the 48th time that vq was my hv>.

Lily - I looked on fb but couldn't see your special nappy pic. I would be interested. When is your next follow up? Ours were weekly to start with with g and our consultant thinks this is important. If yours are infrequent please check how many hip dysplasia cases they see and their success rates. Not all hospitals are equal in treating it. One girl now in our clinic was initially at another hospital who had set up the harness in a way that would have actually mad things worse -and no check up was planned for 6 weeks. Luckily the mum as uneasy and asked for the second opinion so no harm done in the end but makes me shudder to think of the other hips they might have 'treated'.

R and g both had their hip checks today, g is now out of harness and still looking normal, r's is still in position from the surgery and the bone is growing again (at last check there were signs of it starting to crumble because of an interruption to the blood supply - v common n late diagnosis cases). He now thinks no further work will be necssary but both kids will stll have regular checks for some time. R came out of her cast a year ago. I am beyond delighted with today's news and very, very, very thankful to have both kids under the care of our awesome surgeon.

ValiumQueen Fri 10-May-13 02:45:39

Bry your reference to me has just made me cry. In a good way I think. However tonight I feel fucking useless as I cannot even comfort my own wee baby. All that is working is milk. I have thrown the baby rice in the bin. Thank you YW, that makes sense. I can use carobel to thicken if necessary. This is the second time he has had it, and the reaction has been the same.

I do not believe in the concept of tempting fate, but tonight I had just said to DH how well J had gone down, best for a long time, then he started yowling. And last week when I felt confident enough to give Izzy my sleepy dust as J had slept through 7 consecutive nights.....

ValiumQueen Fri 10-May-13 02:52:29

Bry, have bumped the pic of the nappy on FB. Hope it works.

Pass is on there too, so I can rest easy that she is ok x

kirrinIsland Fri 10-May-13 02:52:38

A new thread already!

I'm very behind so apologies for commenting on posts that happened ages ago...

detective sorry about you fanjo (there's a sentence I thought I'd never write) At least your work now know the extent of the situation and you'll get plenty of time to recover. Am I right in thinking you planned to leave more than 2 years before the next one anyway?

sorry about the house Eliza The system in this country is truly shit. I hope you get a new buyer asap.

Good news on eyes and hips stunt and bryzoan

Any news on your neighbours mm ? Hope they're ok.

No holiday here. I'm trying persuade DP he wants to go to Jersey but he doesn't sad I do spend a lot of time up north though, which is a change of scene at least.

Just drove back down south tonight in fact. I've had a nice time, including my first night out in aaaaages which involved baby sitters and leaving N for the first time with someone other than DP. Every one was fine and I had a great night at a concert smile
Bit stressful in parts though as DD1 had some proper good tantrums - it seems the terrible twos have arrived in our lives!

ValiumQueen Fri 10-May-13 02:53:42

<<starts worrying about Cat who has not been on here for a bit>>

kirrinIsland Fri 10-May-13 03:05:09

There's a few people gone quiet. Don't think we've seen Sophia for a while either. Hopefully it's just rl getting in the way.

ChasingDaisy Fri 10-May-13 03:53:41

4.5 hours between first and second wakings. Good lad. I almost missed seeing 3am for the first night in ages.

kirrinIsland Fri 10-May-13 04:40:10

That's pretty good chasing - the day will come when we won't see 3am! Or 2, or 4 or 5!!

Lily311 Fri 10-May-13 04:51:33

Bry, pic on Facebook. We are seeing the consultant in 10 days but meanwhile having physio 3 times a week starting today. The physio is connected to the consltant's practice so if any concerns they just call her over. I knew something was wrong with her as the creases are uneven and she doesn't kick with right leg. Just glad she is getting help. She doesn't seem to mind the nappy, I need to put it over her clothes as it makes marks on her legs.

O's first holiday was Hungary at Xmas time. We are back to the uk in October for a week and going to New York for 10 days. She will be 10 months, eek.

O's sleep is horrible, we are up every 2 hours. I offer her milk before midnight and water after. Just want this regression to be over. As for weaning, I slowed it down. She did 7 poos the day before yest.

I have been catching up with my cousins and siblings, so nice to see them. Though everyone is stick thin. Feeling really self conscious.

KatieLily12 Fri 10-May-13 04:58:28

vq bean was ill last week and the only comfort she wanted was milk too. Don't be too hard on yourself. It's all they know at this age.

Another blowout. Full change and bed soaked. This is ridiculous?!? Does she peenore than normal????

KatieLily12 Fri 10-May-13 04:58:44

*pee more

Bryzoan Fri 10-May-13 05:22:34

Oh vq you are doing brilliantly. It is just a really tough situation. And it is your experience, together with your knowledge and your straight talking compassion that will make you exceptional as a hv. No comfort now though I am sure. No clue what to suggest as all this stuff confuses the pants off me. But i know you will get through it somehow. Thanks for bumping the nappy - will steal dh's iPad for a look tomorrow. Never, ever give sleep dust away!

Det I also meant to say sorry about the state of your fanjo. No words really, just sad for you. Hope the steroids help.

Stunt I was sorry to hear that ds won't get 100% vision now and also sorry about all he has been through, but glad to hear about the 90%. Dd has a wonky eye. Got an opthamology referral for that and a bunch of other stuff but she was so freaked out by the eye surgeon that he couldn't even get to look at her. We have a lot going on with her ATM so had decided to park the eyes for a while till she understands enough to handle it better but am a bit worried now that that may be the wrong call. Her combined eye vision currently seems good to me near and far, and she can see depth well enough to thread beads.

Luis - you ok? I'm worried your knees are making you too miserable to post much because you can't bear talking about them but they've taken over everything else? Perhaps we should all staple the working bits of our bodies together to make a bionic parent?

Nice to hear happiness kirrin and chasing smile

Oh and gt, saw your scan pick on fb - it is beautiful! And very exciting. Made me feel a tiny bit broody till I smacked myself round the chops with the quiche fish grin.

KatieLily12 Fri 10-May-13 05:42:02

Aaaaaaand we're still up. There's a pigeon cooing down the chimney and this is apparently very interesting to bean.

:face palm:

StuntNun Fri 10-May-13 06:34:52

Bry it depends what is wrong with the eye. If it is just strabismus (squint) then it's best to treat sooner rather than later to get the best visual acuity. If it is amblyopia (lazy eye) then treatment is urgent as this is an issue with brain development and the sooner you start treatment, the quicker it will be resolved. Also young children can compensate much more for visual difficulties than an adult, my DS2 is so long-sighted that I can't see a thing though his glasses yet he manages okay at the swimming pool without them.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 10-May-13 07:02:25

Morning all. So much to remember.

Hyperlinks, there is a box underneath where you write messages that you can tick to convert links automatically.

Detective I hope the steroid injections work. Your cousin is hot. Is he single? Can we set him up with chasing ?

horsey he sounds like a pita

eliza you must be seriously pissed off

katie if you try natural remedies and the constipation doesn't improve get him seen by a GP. There's lots of bad advice about constipation online. We resisted medication as long as we could with DD1 due to crappy online advice. In that therer was good advice, like prune juice which didn't work on her, but also lots of bollocks. She ended up with it being so stressful each time she went that she started holding it in, and then when it did come out she got fissures and screamed the house down, which made her want to go even less. And I can't blame her. We sorted it with medication etc, took a few months, but I wish I had dealt with it earlier. The paed told me some horror stories of worse cases though. But you're a long way from that, tis just a warning

MissMummy1 Fri 10-May-13 07:51:27

No planned holidays here sad .

Horsey what a nightnare re FIL. I am lucky my ILs live in a different country. Not sure what to suggest though. My gran can be a PIA phoning multiple times a day and we still havent thought of a polite way to tell her to chill out confused

Nice cousin detective wink

No word from neighbours, although wife's car returned late last night. I am sure if it is anything serious we will find out in the fullness of time.

So much more I wanted to reply to but my mind is blank. M did okay last night only waking at 1 and then 6.30. I felt sick and did not sleep sad .

Expect mass rantings this weekend as my "I have had one child who my parents practically raised for me but I now think I am a parenting expert" SIL and our precocious niece (the 8yo who "hates babies") are coming to stay - despite my pleas to DP to put his foot down and tell them not to use us as a free hotel angry . He is working most of the weekend so I have had to take time off work. angry angry And the house is a tip so guess what I am doing today?! angry angry angry I am probably being a little unreasonanle but I am fed up of making a massive effort for his family who do nothing for us in return. And I can't stand the 8yo. blush

MissMummy1 Fri 10-May-13 07:55:11

Oh and thanks for the advice re my sister. I did try sitting her down for a talk when I picked M up from my mums last night. Explained to her how long it took me regain our mum's trust etc after I acted like a twat when i was 18. I tried explaining the consequences of going to live with our dad to her and she admitted he is blackmailing her. (The arsehole angry angry angry ) I hope some of what I said to her has stuck, really I do. But I also know my 18 year old self would have been sticking her fingers up to me in her head hmm

Also she is a crap driver and is going to have no clutch left in her death trap car by the end of the week - I suddenly feel very old grin

YellowWellies Fri 10-May-13 08:11:00

To all those in regression hell - we were there a fortnight ago and last night he did 8.30 til 6am! Then 6.45 til now shock shock shock shock shock shock. There is hope. I now have boobs like sea mines and am off to express some off for the freezer.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 10-May-13 08:13:54

No holidays here either sad but a business trip to Arnhem in June. Probably my last work jolly before I leave on enhanced parental leave or,preferably, VR dependant on whether I am aloud to aspire that way in a month or so.

I am back for a moment until work absorbs me again on Monday.

Weaning is still going very well I have now introduced lentils and he has had a roast chicken dinner at nursery which apparently he loved! He is waking a 4 every night, I stick some teething gel on and he goes back off, which is ok but have to say today I am knackered after the 4am waking, then a full day at work, come home, feed them, pjama them, put them to bed, feed us, do chores, dream feed and then put us to bed. Bleary eyed!

We are having a restructure at work. As you know I want to leave in September Anyway and I was going to apply for enhanced parental leave ( so that I would still be employed by the company for a year after mat leave and don't have to pay MA back). Anyway there has been a 20% cut at managers level and now it is coming down to us but I won't find out till end of the month if I am allowed to apply. I know my role is still there in the structure. So those if you who who pray, I would like VR please! grin. Unfortunately as I have to give three months notice of my enhanced parental leave it is all going happen at the same time.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 10-May-13 08:41:39

First weatabix. Loves it!! I have resurrected it for DS1too. Loves it.

We all love weatabix.

Bryzoan Fri 10-May-13 08:53:21

Thanks stunt. Sounds like I ought to bite the bullet and try again then.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 09:14:21

I shall cross everything for you sophia. Glad weaning is going well.
Katie dried apricots sounds like it ought to get things going!
Stunt I had a lazy eye growing up, managed to avoid patches but I had to have regular check-ups at the hospital. Do I need to get F checked?
Chasing thanks for sharing your sleepy dust - it worked! Admittedly, she spent the night in bed with me, but she slept 10-3, quick feed and a chatter, then 3.30-6, more chatter, and up at 7. Just managed a lovely shower while she naps. She's snoring her head off up there, bless her. The snot shows no sign of disappearing just yet.

Since stopping milk, she has begun cooing and chatting again, the farting has stopped, the eggy poo has gone, and she is sleeping better, despite a cold. Coincidence? Should I try having milk again to see if it all comes back?

Passmethecrisps Fri 10-May-13 09:23:33


<squish> to VQ! Thank you for worrying about me!

Just a quicky post - back later for chats.

cat has been on WWF whupping my ass so I assume she is just busy

Was back in the homeland yesterday visiting my parents as my sister and her baby were there. He is so super awesome! Bright as a button and full of energy. The size difference between the two babies is now very striking - pic on Facebook - but both are lovely!

horseylady Fri 10-May-13 09:23:52

yw yes there is an end!!!! We have come out the other side too!!! (I think??!!)

mm I don't think there's much anyone can do. He'll just do what he wants to do anyway!! That's how he is!! Selfish.

KatieLily12 Fri 10-May-13 09:39:10

Morning all

OH in dog house- forgot to put apricots on to soak. I was soothing baby down all night so he might have got a right earful! Tried steamed apple again but this time added some innocent smoothie. What do you know she will use a spoon given the right motivation! ;)

Off to find prunes....

Big Friday vibes and get well wishes to all who need them right now!

YellowWellies Fri 10-May-13 09:41:50

BPLP how long have you been off dairy? Whilst you'll see a change pretty quick it takes 3-6 weeks for it to leave both of your systems completely so I'd probably wait until then to try to reintroduce. J just got happier and happier during that period and every time I've accidentally had dairy since has been a shrieking ball of pain so I'm not going to try again until 12 months <sob>. The sleep, smiles and not seeing him in pain is worth it. My cousin's wife was able to reintroduce dairy slowly after 2 months off with only a few issues (it was a bit rushed as her DD was FTT and needed fats) so it might not be a long term thing.

KatieLily12 Fri 10-May-13 09:55:31

Agreeing with YW that results got better and better. Over last month had eased in tea, small amounts of goats cheese and a little cooked dairy. So far so good.....

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 09:58:15

YW it's been about a week. I haven't been terribly strict, but have stopped having milk on cereal, and cocoa/milkshakes. I still have a bit of grated cheese on pasta, and a splash of milk in a hot drink. Plus a yoghurt every day. Interestingly I read that the bacteria in yoghurt help to break down milk proteins, so yoghurt can be better tolerated (unless it's one of the ones where they've added milk solids!). I presume CMPI is a spectrum - J seems to be at the worst end of it, given your dietary restrictions. I'm hoping that F can get by with my current diet. God knows what to do about feeding when I go back to work though confused

KatieLily12 Fri 10-May-13 10:03:39

There's some really good goats yogurts with probiotics which I'm going to start introducing BPLP I also heard it helps keep their gut moving which explains a lot eh?

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 10:17:47

Fucking man. That is all. hmm

Evilwater Fri 10-May-13 10:21:24

Just had a look at my weaning leaflet, it's made by the milk council. No wonder it says yogurt makes a good breakfast hmm

Horsey- I hope things improve soon.

For those with feeding problems, you are all great mums!

PennieLane Fri 10-May-13 10:23:11

FC for you sophia I'm on a call at 11am which is my last final consultation meeting before being made redundant at end of May. My boss is looking into if I can be redeployed part-time but unlikely, plus we may be moving abroad.

What's enhanced parental leave? Is it the bit you stick onto 9 months mat leave or something different?

I'm so in awe of YW and your diet, it's amazing the lengths you're willing to go to, it's incredible.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 10-May-13 10:28:52

Yeah, ditto what evil said. The sacrifices some of you make and the hurdles some of you face are awe-inspiring. Am so lucky to have no issues on that front.

Today is my last day of freedom. Back to work on Monday. My secretary sent me an email y'day outlining the stationery arrangements she had made for me, and asked if I would like anything else. Um, 6 months more maternity leave, a lottery win, a magic overnight weightloss, new wardrobe, a new car, and nothing in the demanding client/lazy colleague category either. Hmmm. Chances of any of that in the slim-to-fuck-all bracket.

DD and DS at nursery today, am trying and failing not to do any chores and have some me time instead. But I don't know what that is anymore. Plus I am a sad act who actively enjoys and is soothed by sorting, tidying, cleaning. [loser emoticon]

MM that would give me rage. Like this --> angry

horsy that all sounds a bit shite. thanks

Sophia fingers crossed you get what you want.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 10:45:27

Ooh madam I like to clean too, am pinned to sofa surveying my shit-tip of a house, and contemplating how it will only get worse with the arrival of dsd in a few hours.

Fs cold is baaaad today - her nose and eyes are streaming. She has however found her voice so is "eh-ing" and "aah-ing" and "eep-ing" at Last of the summer wine. Obviously all this done from the safety of mummys lap as any other location would signify the end of the world

Clarella Fri 10-May-13 10:50:37

hi all sorry been awol for a few days just stupidly busy.

hope you're all ok. brief catch up.

sorry to hear reflux still upsetting poor babies and affecting weaning sad

we've finally begun to get more omeprozole (sp?) into g and there's a significant difference with feeding - basically none of the hysterics when I know he wants to feed but seems to not be able. also mornings are less dramatic - he was always waking in pain but then not able to feed and so often quite hard going in the mornings, some afternoons too. read about silent reflux which seems to fit a lot. had one night with only one waking shock but since regressed back to two hourly but I know there's some teething going on.

g's bladder scan this avo sad

been worrying about weaning. whether will make reflux worse? given he doesn't actually puke but regurgitates and re swallows. not sure what to do - wait till 6 mo (5 mo today) or just try a bit of porridge or purrees etc?

ChasingDaisy Fri 10-May-13 11:01:05

pig am so glad you got a better night smile

Cleaning relaxes me too. P took O out for an hour yesterday and I spent the time cleaning. I can't relax if there is housework to do.

Operation Unpin Chasing From The Sofa has just taken a positive step forwards. 30mins of pushing the pram around my living room has resulted in a sleeping baby! Too scared to stop pushing the pram yet though in case he wakes up confused

ChasingDaisy Fri 10-May-13 11:03:26

Feature on constipation in kids on This Morning now...

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 11:13:18

<imagines chasings living room to be vast and uncluttered>
<eyes various huge baby toys scattered around own room>

Just been talking to a doctor friend in the Solomon Islands. He's currently in an operating theatre removing a spear from a mans skull. Now that I would go back to work for in a heartbeat!

YellowWellies Fri 10-May-13 11:17:09

Clarella as it's silent reflux I'd avoid porridge and baby rice initially as they can stick to their throats and make acid burns worse. We're doing fine on purees at the mo.

BPLP yep CMPI definitely is a spectrum - to be able to detect it at all in BM makes them pretty sensitive. Haven't tried goat milk products. Not sure I love it enough to dare. Am going to risk soy at 8 months because I'm fantasising about a Chinese takeaway just once to see what happens confused

Its not a sacrifice when the alternative is an agonised screaming baby, no sleep, screaming solidly for hours at a time. If I weren't doing this diet I would be sectioned within weeks! It makes my life easier and caring for him much more fun. If he didn't react so violently to it am sure I'd be much less strict.

ChasingDaisy Fri 10-May-13 11:18:02

My living room is tiny! Detective can vouch for that. The rocking to sleep actually involved me parking my bum on the back of the sofa and pushing him back and forth.

Is your doctor friend talking to you whilst removing said spear?

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 11:36:25

I think hope he's the anaesthetist.

YW that's interesting about porridge/baby rice. F did have a bad night after her one and only taste of porridge, but she was coming down with a cold so it may have been that which upset her. Luckily I cook everything from scratch, so should be able to avoid milk products quite easily. Just to convinve MIL that chocolate is probably not a good idea...

KatieLily12 Fri 10-May-13 11:42:37

Am stomping back from town with a surprisingly chipper bean who has only slept 30 mins and no poo. Laden with Vaseline and prunes (sexy)

Well done chasing!

GTbaby Fri 10-May-13 11:49:31

Sry. Just skimmed thro.
Posted last night but think I lost it. sad

Basically Canada trip is cancelled due to my SDP. Gutted as I wanted to see my nana. She's knitted a blanket for LO as well sad

DFH is off to work in an hour n it will be my first time alone with LO since my pain started. A bit nervous tbh. I mean the only thing I struggle with is picking him up. N he is a chunker. So going to get DH to leave him nxt to me in bouncer. N pray he doesn't do a poo till someone comes to lift him out for me blush

Have good days everyone.

GTbaby Fri 10-May-13 11:52:07

Katie how do you prep the prunes? LO poo is quite hard n he is starting to strain. So want to try things before it gets painful.
Dealing with my own constipation is hard enough!

horseylady Fri 10-May-13 12:07:55

I keep putting loose change in etiennes money box. I remember my parents doing the same for me!!! It's odd really as we don't ever have much spare change here!!

StuntNun Fri 10-May-13 12:43:02

I am a bad mummy, I gave a Monster Munch to J! He didn't eat it of course but did have fun smearing it all over his clothes.

Clarella there's no need to rush in to weaning unless you think he's ready and interested in food. You could give him a try and see how he gets on or wait a couple of weeks.

Amblyopia (lazy eye) isn't actually hereditary BigPig, it's caused by another eye problem such as strabismus (squint) or poor vision. In DS2's case he inherited extreme longsightedness from my mum, in both of them this led to the amblyopia. In my mum's case it wasn't diagnosed until she was an adult with the result that she is effectively blind in the affected eye. Me, my siblings and DS1 are all somewhat longsighted but only DS2's vision was poor enough to lead to the amblyopia. So I only need to get J's vision checked when he is six months. If he is very longsighted then he will need glasses but these should correct his vision sufficiently that he won't develop amblyopia. Just in case it wasn't clear, when someone says 'they have a lazy eye' they are usually referring to a squint. In fact amblyopia / lazy eye actually refers to the brain ignoring the signals from one eye, it is a different thing to a squint which is where the eyes are misaligned. It's normal for babies under six months to squint; if you see a squint after this age then it's best to get it checked out as the squint (strabismus) can lead to the lazy eye (amblyopia). Hope this all makes sense.

Evilwater Fri 10-May-13 12:59:44

What is it about banana, that baby evil hates so much? Even puréed he just won't swallow. He almost chocked on it....

I'm tossing up weather to go to the aquarium, hmm.......

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 13:02:18

Ah right, thanks stunt - I stand corrected re: my wonky eye!
Sorry to hear you've had to cancel your trip gt, that's a real shame.
I'm still pinned to the sofa - F has been asleep for 2 hours now shock. However, I did manage to unearth Fs record of feeds from February. Fuck me, but she was feeding every 90 minutes. So far today she's fed twice,. I know which I prefer! And the 2 hour cluster feeds every evening... <shudders>

Evilwater Fri 10-May-13 13:03:22

Shit it's £12 to go in! That's just me.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 10-May-13 13:17:59

Went shopping this morning. For clothes. Not something I do very often in fact probably haven't been on a clothes shopping binge since before falling pregnant with DD1. But we had some H&M vouchers that were really a present for LO but she's already got loads of clothes so yes, I nicked them, and no, I don't feel bad

Then we went and had a bit of a binge in the electronics store and bought an iPad mini. Again, we had vouchers so don't feel too guilty smile

Then we had lunch in a pizzeria and the Italian waiters were all over the girls it was very sweet. Both behaved really well.

The nursery where I had DD1 for a while owes us over 600€. They have been stalling and were supposed to pay the first week of April. As a result my direct debit for the rent has come bouncing back to me which is very blush

The problem is we have accounts in Lux and France. Our pay and family allowance goes into the Lux accounts. We then leave just enough in there to cover payments we make to Lux accounts, like my rent, and transfer the rest to France. Now we have to transfer money back again and we will get hit with intnational fees, just to pay the sodding rent. I am angry with the nursery and their stupid sodding damage deposit. Looking forward to giving them an earful on Monday (the third in 3 weeks)

ChasingDaisy Fri 10-May-13 13:18:56

<waves at pig>

I am sofa pinned too, but willingly. Am going to use the pram for his first two naps and then have his big nap snuggled up together smile He slept for 35 mins in the pram which is his normal length of time. He cried his scared cry when he woke up as he couldn't see me. Nice to feel wanted. He has also drained two 6oz bottles today which is awesome. Giving a 3oz bottle at his second night feed really seems to have helped his day feeding. Will reduce to 3oz of water and 2 scoops in a couple of days.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 10-May-13 13:19:00

evil banana seems to be a love it or hate it taste with babies, and it's sticky so they can gag quite easily.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 13:27:47

Chasing I have been making attempts to do the same as you re: night feeds, which has meant having her in my bed to settle her back to sleep without feeding, but last night she fed at 8pm, 2am and 8am so somethings helping. She's awake now squealing at her toys. A proper nap seems to have done her the world of good.

PR am envy at shopping binge. I need to get some new clothes for work - haven't bought any for 4 years, and have a sneaking suspicion that they'll be hanging off me sad

ChasingDaisy Fri 10-May-13 13:40:21

evil I was going to say that maybe banana is a bit too thick and sticky. Similar issue to mashed potato I guess.

pig it must he harder for you as you bf. I don't think he needs the 3am feed and he wakes at 5 anyway, which is when he comes in with me until 7 so I'm hoping we will be able to stretch him to 5am and I can then pacify him with cuddles. He needs his 11/12 pm feed as he always seems starving. Ultimate aim is to drop the 3am feed and have the first feed as a dream feed. It's going to be a long process though I think.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 13:47:07

It's a similar thing though - the easy thing to do is offer a boob, but I know that wake-ups that aren't at 11ish or 3ish, aren't for hunger/thirst. So I have just stopped offering a boob, and give her a cuddle instead. Once she's over her cold, I'll try to settle her into her own bed after wake-ups too. She still needs at least 1 overnight feed though, definitely.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 10-May-13 13:51:18

I have nothing suitable for work at all. If I go back I'll be cursing the fact I used the vouchers today <sticks head in sand>

Phew. The rent did go through. We had changed the direct debit to another account and forgotten to cancel the one from mine. Luckily I am broke otherwise we'd have paid the rent twice. I really need to get my head round online banking.

KatieLily12 Fri 10-May-13 13:54:50

Lost who asked about prunes: I'm trying to soak them in water and give her a bit of the water. Then I'm going to purée down the fruits to add to things like oats, yoghurt etc when she gets there.

Did some leg cycle and after some yelling and straining she produced a v sticky green poo. Expected avalanche. She then threw up everywhere too.

Tried the apricot water for good measure and tried some Ella's kitchen purée that had prunes in too. She inhaled.

Can you cause constipation if they eat too much? I know they're supposed to set their own amounts but she just seems to eat so much?

KatieLily12 Fri 10-May-13 13:57:03

Interested by those breast feeding still. We seem to be increasing night feeds here? Also wondering how they drop feeds with solids. Do they just get shorter? Does anyone know?

fruitpastilles Fri 10-May-13 14:52:19

I had a lazy eye when I was little too, I had to have an operation on it when I was 2 and also wore an eye patch super ted ones how boyish until just before I started school. My vision is mostly ok but it does still turn in occasionally, mostly if I'm very tired or drunk

I'm unusually pinned to the settee, I think S is coming down with something, she's snotty and has screamed all afternoon and also didn't eat her puree, which she normally can't get enough of. Hope it's nothing to bad I can't stand to see her like this. She just screamed herself to sleep. Was supposed to be going to the cinema tonight an for a meal with dp, my mum was babysitting but I'm not leaving her like this, bit gutted though!

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 15:21:44

I've finally had a call back from the Union sure I rang them nearly a month ago???!. I won't be getting my bank hols from maternity leave - it is Scotland only. If I want to challenge it, I can. Fuck, yes. But it will have to be a big case thing. I forget what he said.

What I was mostly pissed off over is the removal of unsocial enhancements if off sick. Gone.

You know, I think it's time to look for a new career. Not in the NHS.

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 15:23:22

Not that I am off sick often - but pregnancy seems to fuck me up.

When I want another baby, I am 99% sure I will get hyperemesis again. So this will mean reduced pay if I am off sick. Which in turn will directly affect my maternity pay. And I've barely afforded the 6 fucking months off this time.

Fucking cunts.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 10-May-13 16:15:21

That's shite detective.

Clothes talk makes me think I should try and make sure I have more than the one work suitable outfit which I wore for every KIT day. I even went into town today. Not at all got my head in the sand about return to work on Monday.

MissMummy1 Fri 10-May-13 16:20:01

Getting nowhere fast. Make up beds for unwanted guests or MN? I also have Lady Whingebag being a limpit...

Clarella Fri 10-May-13 16:21:25

sorry I'm a shit catch uper.

lo has bladder reflux sad so.more at risk of kidney infections. he had to have a catheter which was horrid but amazon just delivered a sophie the giraffe just before we left and my god she was handy. her and singing. so now I feel even less confident that I know what goes on with him and even if hes been having infections which has given him oesophagus reflux as a symptom ie just more sicky confused confused confused confused sad I feel both really anxious and really munchhausenbyproxyesque.

but I know that feeding is so much better with gavisgon and now omeprozole. we're just going to have to keep an eye on him as they can apparently have break through infections. and lots more tests. I knew something was wrong. a mother knows. I'm worried about another thing with him too which I've not dared to ask.about. he just seems to have hyertonia and favours his right side. but I'm a sen teacher and apparentlly paranoia is common amongst us. grin he'll be on these low dose antibiotics for some time till things get better which is only going to be a good thing I guess so he won't get scarred kidneys and risk for high bp in later life.

<tries to look on bright side>

Clarella Fri 10-May-13 16:40:04

thanks for weaning advice. makes me more determined to keep bf ing to help his system and probably start purees a couple of weeks before he's 6 mo.

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 17:46:58

How long is it acceptable to leave them in the jumperoo?!

O has just discovered it bounces took his bloody time!. He is having a whale of a time. He has been in it since 5 shock. I keep thinking I should really take him out. But I think he would break his heart!!!

Little monkey wink

fruitpastilles Fri 10-May-13 17:54:08

newsflash I just scored 102 points in wwf against luis bet he still beats me though

fruitpastilles Fri 10-May-13 17:58:16

det I leave S in hers jumperoo rip off until she gets fed up, I think the longest she has been in it is for just under an hour would leave her longer if she would stay in it, bad mother

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 18:39:05

I took him out about 5 minutes later, because of course he decided to moan then wink.

DP is really testing my patience today. He's just had a fucking strop over doing the dishes FFS. I've just stood there cooking dinner - which I asked him to fucking do, but he didn't.

He was doing the night feeds/settles last night. I'm absolutely sick of it him. I have the worst nights when he attempts them. He kept me up most of the night crashing about the room having a fucking strop when O wouldn't settle. He made the most noise possible, so of course O wouldn't fucking sleep with the racket he was making. He strops about walking room to room with him, bashing everything possible on his way. Patting O so hard I had to tell him to stop because he was practically smacking him. Then when he woke up at 6.30 for the day, DP decided to leave him in his cot, and get another strop when he cried after 30 minutes 'I don't know what you want'. Erm, how about for you to get up and play with him?

Fuming doesn't really cover it. He's proving himself utterly fucking useless.

I get how frustrating it is, but he could ask for help, or do something different to make fucking use of himself. We all have the point where we can't take much more. But he just, I don't know, strops the whole time I don't know where his breaking point is really.

And he can fuck off over the dishes.

PurplePidjin Fri 10-May-13 18:42:29

Clarella you're the only person i know who knows what a sense of relief i felt when the hv complimented R on his eye contact blush

Clarella Fri 10-May-13 18:45:25

grin pidj. went into SALT room at work and all commented on eye contact and verbal skills!

Clarella Fri 10-May-13 18:50:42

.... lo not mine that is! wink

<sigh> dh been effectively working away. with all night feeding and stress of hospital I'm shot.

just scoffed a pile of sainsburies profiteroles blush

Clarella Fri 10-May-13 18:53:27

detective right there in that post you demonstrate how men have bugger all patience and were therefore not chosen by god/evolution to be the child barers/ carers.

Clarella Fri 10-May-13 18:54:24

most men ...... blush there exceptions (sorry luisgrin )

Clarella Fri 10-May-13 18:54:54

there are

Dixiebell Fri 10-May-13 19:26:52

I think the jumperoo instruction leaflet may actually say something like no more than 20 mins at a time...! But Ted goes in for longer if he's enjoying it!

I wanted to say that you guys inspired me to join Slimming World, which I did last weekend. I was a bit halfheartedly doing it at first as I already had menus planned for this week I think I had a syn count of 30 on the first day. But have actually lost 9lbs this week!! Is that even possible?! That's the weight of a whole baby! So thanks for the inspiration. I was obviously massively over feeding myself before! And am quite enjoying the new diet, eaten loads of fruit.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 19:39:20

Nice one dixie!
Sorry to hear about LOs bladder problems clarella.
Detective bloody men eh?

Isn't it ridiculous how sleep deprivation makes you pick the most pointless arguments? I seem to become some idiotic, feminist idiot need a thesaurus blush Lucky for dh he's gone escaped to the gym.

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 19:49:42

I just made dinner. DP decided he was putting O to bed. First off he asked how long O's nappy had been on. It doesn't matter how fucking long it has been on, you fucking change it at bed time. End of.

Then he decided he was doing it right as dinner was ready. So I've left his festering in pans, and there is hardly any left. Mwhahaha. It was lovely if I do say so!

Dixie That's awesome! I was massively overeating shit before, so I expect quite a bit to drop off at first, then once my body gets over the shock, it will get harder I guess!! If you want to know any good recipes I've tried so far, just ask! We had quite a few dud ones at first, but have a few good ones up my sleeve now! Did arrabiata sauce with pasta for tea. Was soooooo good!

Is it wrong that I am hoping O does not settle for DP? grin

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 19:52:16

Det you wicked woman I would feel the same

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 19:54:16

He's settled. Pah.

Feel like sabotaging it grin.

Ah well. Least O is asleep. I am quite upset though really, as I like putting him to bed. Bastard. sad

Clarella Fri 10-May-13 19:58:55

lol detective I'd be wishing the same grin

thanks bplp - bladder thing a good thing ultimately as will be closely monitored for infections so reducing scarring on kidneys. I just had no idea he had an infection - I'd questioned reflux, which led to tongue tie but really, he's still got reflux issues.

puts to an end the incessant sleep training night weaning shit dh spinach keen on as lo needs to feed on demand in case of any infection / dehydration. which means cosleeping. grin grin grin grin

Clarella Fri 10-May-13 19:59:51

how did spinach get in my post???

fruitpastilles Fri 10-May-13 20:01:56

Haha det I'd have thought the same, not that I'd ever get chance to think that, dp has never put S to bed.

ChasingDaisy Fri 10-May-13 20:02:36

fruit kudos. Playing luis at WWF is seriously damaging my self esteem. Sometimes if he plays a low scoring word I think he is just taking pity on me

Detective that must be very frustrating. It must feel like it is easier to do it yourself but then when do you get a break?! Me and P used to share the childcare pretty equally but I do the main share of it now as he doesn't do stuff right. I also do all the fucking housework too. And the cooking. He is under strict instructions to at least try and get O to sleep in his cot tonight angry

fruitpastilles Fri 10-May-13 20:05:16

Mine to chasing that's why I had to brag grin

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 20:08:14

After Swimming Gate this week, me and dh had a chat. I told him it was all well and good him wanting to try new things to get F to settle (as an example) and saying that "she'll learn mummys way, and daddys way" - but that he would do well to listen to my advice as I've spent 5.5 months trying many fucking loads of things and have a good idea of what works. He had the grace to accept this was probably true. It's so hard not to hover and criticise though.

ChasingDaisy Fri 10-May-13 20:11:06

Did I miss Swimming Gate pig?

Clarella hugs thanks You and lo are really going through it. How are you doing? Do you have lots of support?

MM did you make up the beds in the end? Thinking of you and your unwanted guests.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 20:13:52

In a nutshell chasing - dh said "go swimming, I'll be fine", then rang 7 minutes later saying "I can't do it, come home". Words were exchanged. Many, heated words.

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 20:21:37

BP Sorry but I had to laugh. I'd of been fuming though... on the plus side I suppose DP can manage when I am not here - but it is just pretty basic 'manage'. More like scraping by. Sometimes he surprises me. Not often though. hmm

What has he said following swimming gate?! Has he tried again since?

Do you ever have one of those lightbulb moments that you feel like a total, utter dickwad for never having thought of before??!

Well, that's me.

I've just realised a solution to the white noise thing (as in battery always running out on phone in the middle of the night, or earlier. Having to have the phone next to his ear - which I hate. I don't want it in the cot with him. And it not being loud enough to soothe sometimes.

I've got a fucking ipod docking station. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUH.

It's now all set up, in the door way of O's room, so phone can be accessed as necessary, not too close to O, and it's nice and loud for him. And the battery will always be fully charged, and never die!

I suppose it will irritate me come bed time. Might have to close our door over.

But. YAY!!

With that, and his new swaddle arriving tomorrow, I remain optimistic! His swaddle is fucked. The velcro just won't stick. I've a good mind to complain. It shouldn't have worn out after 3 months. GRRR!

StuntNun Fri 10-May-13 20:21:42

J ate a conchiglie pasta shell! He also had a bit of toast. I know he's not really supposed to have wheat until Tuesday but I'm glad I tried it now. It was unbelievable and terrifying watching him eat the pasta but he chewed it up and swallowed most of it. He also ate a little bit of the toast but made an appalled face! Hooray, maybe he won't have to live on milk forever after all.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 20:26:53

Det his mission is to learn how to get F to nap in the day, this weekend. He has said he will do what I do thank god and not try any funny tricks. It's so frustrating though, because whereas I will rock her for 20+ minutes sometimes, he doesn't have the patience - and then I have to pick up the pieces.

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 20:27:31

I'm excited - 13 more days for us Stunt I can't wait to try these things milk fucking free of course!.

I'm going to be doing an awful lot of home made things. Waaaah!

YW I meant to reply to you last night - just remembered!! I think the supermarkets do do a list - I figured it would be a good starting point, and then I could just check at each purchase!

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 20:29:15

Day time sounds like a good place to start. DP has a lot of patience in the day. I think he just can't deal with bad nights.

I know I struggle, but I know my limits and when to ask for help. I also don't keep him pissing awake through it unless I absolutely have to, which is rare. Not that he'd wake anyway, but that's not the point!!

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 20:29:48

Pissing bastarding useless men (not saying all men are useless, just moaning at those who are!!). hmm

ChasingDaisy Fri 10-May-13 20:40:07

Yes to the no patience thing. It can take a fucking long time while to get O to sleep and when he doesn't manage it within 5 minutes he declares that he isn't tired. I know that baby inside out. He is tired.

Passmethecrisps Fri 10-May-13 20:52:06

Bon soir dudes,

I have read every lovely word you have written and can barely remember a chuffing word. I will see what comes back to me.

Took pooping Penelope to the docs today - he thinks she has rotovirus. We have poo sample bottles to use and return on Monday. Poor P. she seems absolutely fine in herself and has her usual appetite but is pooing much more often than usual with a consistency between paint and water.

I made roasted sweet potato purée and Pear purée. Actually - here is a question. . . I just chopped te pear up and stewed it all. When it was done I whizzed it then strained it through a mesh sieve. Will that be ok? I didn't peel or core them. Tasted delicious.

We are going to start in earnest this weekend. I know to start with one ice cube and to stick with one thing fr 3 days (I will do this due to P's intolerance). I know this sounds stupid but can someone lead me by the hand here please? When do I move up from one cube? When do I introduce proteins?

Every purée I have made so far is completely smooth having been sieved after whizzing. Is that too much?

Passmethecrisps Fri 10-May-13 20:53:55

Oh! clarella! Poor wee soul. Bladder reflux? Sounds awful. Get stuck into those profiteroles.

BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 20:57:03

Pass sounds a bit like what I've done. And the one lump in the pear puree that got through, she found. And spat it out with a look of great disdain. No clue when to increase the amount of stuff though.

Chasing yes to that! Re: SG incident, part of the discussion row after was that she was apparently in pain, and screamed like dh had never heard before. I must have repeated until I was blue in the face, that yes - that scream is when she is overtired!

Passmethecrisps Fri 10-May-13 20:57:16

Oh aye and MM. Fucking arse biscuits having the relies to stay. I hope little M spews on the 8 year old.

How is LO BP? I had a sad face at your description of her earlier

Evilwater Fri 10-May-13 21:01:50

Thanks for info about banana quiche.
big sorry to read about swimming gate,
detective- I also second that men are a waste of space, the only way I got P to wash the dishes, is I didn't do them. Yes, I have eaten out of sauspans, but it was the only way.
pass what I have done is started off with one cube for a week, then next week increased to two cubes. As for protein, I introduced them when he was still having a whole bottle after feeding.


BigPigLittlePig Fri 10-May-13 21:03:11

Pass the snot is abating, thank goodness. But still feeling sorry for herself. Funny the GP thought it was rotavirus, you would think P would be vomiting as well, or at least feel unwell. Still, whatever it is, I hope it goes soon.

Passmethecrisps Fri 10-May-13 21:07:20

Glad little pig is feeling a little bit better BP

I did ask about vomiting and he sort of did a 'meh' face. I think he plays a better safe than sorry card with babies. He is the one who sent us to paediatrics with P when her reflux kicked off. He knew what it was but didn't want to risk missing anything. He always makes me wonder if he has missed something and if forever atoning

Pikz Fri 10-May-13 21:13:20

My brain is frazzled. I keep reading stuff wrong like banana quiche and wondering why evil is giving her baby that.

I should probably be in bed!

Det that is shit.

Pass I hope P is better soon

Errr brain died.

We went to a pottery this afternoon and did lots of hand and foot painting was ace!

Tomorrow I leave him overnight for the first time. Am in bits.

Kyzordz Fri 10-May-13 21:26:02

Evening all, been reading throughout the day but e is poorly and has been really Velcro esque so I've not been able to post. He had a temperature last night and was up most of the night coughing. He's refused any solids today but I didn't really try to get him to eat them tbh, I just had them available and put the spoon toward him once, turning his head let me know he wasn't up for it and whilst he's poorly I want milk in him. Doctor said his throat is very sore so keep calpoling him and ride it out, take him to urgent care unit if he's worse over the weekend.

I have all the way from page 3 to catch up on, I'll be brief though because I'm tired bolloxed after a couple of shitty nights and a big family to sort. Dunno how some of you do this shit sleep thing regularly!

That's brill news bryz re the dc's hips!

katie my lo is called bean too! Has been his nickname since we found out we were expecting!

Glad weaning is going well sophia I love to hear about success with weaning, gives me hope that we'll get there eventually! I don't pray but good luck with things at work, hope it works out ok!

I also like cleaning and just can't settle if it's not done. I have been known to give in and get up in the small hours of the morning to clean up after collapsing in bed not having done it beforehand. I'll wake up and not be able to go back off because I'm thinking of how messy things are!

Sorry your trip to Canada has been cancelled gt sad

horsey that's a good idea, could do with getting e a money box and getting round to setting up his bank account

Sorry to read lo has bladder reflux clarella sad

Sounds like your dp is testing your patience det, wonder if he wants you to think it would be easier if you just sorted o? Am just thinking he might be trying to pull that one, my sister used to clean really badly in the hope mum would stop asking her to do chores! Tbh men can sometimes be so bloody difficult not you luis it IS easier to do it yourself!

Fucking hell dixie that Is brilliant! Well done!

Oh stunt that's awesome! I am too terrified shit to let e try such things but sounds like j did brilliantly!

pass I would maybe increase the amount to two cubes once she clears one for a couple of days. Haven't gotten there yet and probably won't for years a while but I am just thinking that's what I did re: upping oz's in bottles, so it makes sense to me. If e drained almost every bottle for 3 days and seemed hungry earlier I would add an oz per feed.

I am wondering most about timing of solids. I wonder if milk first then solids means e has very little interest in solids. But then if milk is most important it must stay this way? I can only assume he will eat more solids when he is ready, even if it's offered after a milk feed and not before. I have tried to aim for smack bang in the middle but this is hard as I don't always know when he will nap. Hope p enjoys her solids when you offer them smile

Since e is poorly I am sure I am once again taking a little break but no matter. It is fine. After he is better I think I need to get back into it with some structure maybe. This week I've just offered them at random and not pushed him to take any. Not sure that Is much of a long term plan though.

Glad little pig feels a bit better bplp hope she's fully recovered soon

35 mins ish till df. Not sure i can stay awake that long!

Passmethecrisps Fri 10-May-13 21:31:39

Oh kyz it sounds like E is very poorly. Poor thing. Poor you! As if you don't have enough to get done. How is your mum and the baby? You advice on the cubes makes sense. That's what I will do.

I hope you have a good night.

fruitpastilles Fri 10-May-13 21:40:04

Hope E feels better soon kyz you are doing he right thing just offering and not pushing, I know that if I had a sore throat I'd not feel much like eating either. He will let you know when he is ready again.

kirrinIsland Fri 10-May-13 21:47:03

9lb Dixie shock That's fab - well done.

Sorry about the bladder reflux clarella sad

kyzordz and bplp hope E and F are feeling better soon.

Where are you off to tomorrow night pikz ? (apologies if you've already said and I've missed it).

Kyzordz Fri 10-May-13 21:54:37

Thanks both, whilst I'm keen to get on with weaning I want him to be back to being my lovely bouncing e, and when he's like he has been today it breaks my heart sad he's not known what to do with himself, barely a smile all day and that is so unlike him

pass they're doing well smile mum is starting to get back into things but only gradually, she folds the odd basket of washing safely from the confines of the couch much to her dismay. I let her peel some potatoes yesterday too, made her feel useful again she said. I took a swift step to the side after saying 'useful, mum?' :p she knows I said it in jest

I thought the same fruit, e hasn't been so keen on weaning anyway but I can definitely understand his reluctance when he isn't well. He has taken about 4oz at a feed okay which is half of his usual amount. If I leave him a good 20 mins he will take another oz or two, but generally does not seem hungry. He seems to want water, and I worried he may fill up on it but he isn't drinking any more or any less when having water in between so I have let him have it, to keep his fluid intake up.

I'm sure he'll be bouncing me crazy again in a few days smile

Kyzordz Fri 10-May-13 21:55:13

Thanks kirrin sorry cross posted

Donnadoon Fri 10-May-13 21:57:22

Hello my friends...dd had weetabix for the first time today mixed with formula...eek just waiting to see how the poo is bites nails she didn't have a whole one so should be fine.

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 22:00:28

I am now even more cross angry.

I've just spent over an hour upstairs after O woke up 4 times. DP kept going back up, but I wanted to go to him myself to see what on earth was wrong.

So, he had wrapped his arms in a blanket, and tied it in a fucking knot for one. That is not fucking swaddling.

11 times I tried to transfer him. Each time he woke up the second he was put down. I tried cushioning him in so he still felt held. Nope. Tried without it. Nope. In despairation, I made dickhead bring the pram upstairs. Plonked him awake, unceremoniously in it, and he went straight to sleep. And I mean instantaneously. I didn't even get to rocking him, I moved from the end of the pushchair, took 2 steps to the handle, and he was asleep.

After feeling very fucking confused, I turned the vshape pillow around, so that his feet are now propped up, just as they are in the pushchair. He stayed asleep - or rather, went back to sleep, as he woke when I picked him back up.

So he is on his back, with his legs in the air.

What the actual fuck.

Note, I won't leave him like that, it is just til he is in a deeper sleep.

I'm so confused.

MissMummy1 Fri 10-May-13 22:02:14

Poor E kyz

It may be me that spews on her. I feel very sick , have done for about a week now. envy Had put it down to my period but think it is something more than that now. My lower back hurts so hope it is not my kidneys playing up again. I bruised them in an accident 2 years ago and was warned I could have ishoos with them confused

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 22:03:24

So I have to knock the day time naps in the pram on the head. He clearly wants to be like he is for his day time sleeps.

Perhaps I could put him asleep in the pram, and then transfer after 10 minutes? He is so heavy and hard for me to rock. I can do it - for the 3-5 minutes he was taking to get off to sleep. But now he is taking much longer, unless I put him in the pushchair.

He sleeps so well in it though, and is so easy to put asleep.

I need a cot on wheels with a handle.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 10-May-13 22:08:20

kyz I agree with your advice about increasing the cubes, and just wanted to say your mum is so lucky having you look after her. You deserve a big bunch of flowers for being awesome and sorry to hear about LO being ill. Any idea what's wrong?

I can't remember what else I wanted to say other than am surprised some of you are mentioning Rotavirus - isn't that part of the first set of innoculations over there?

So tired. Am going to go to the doctor and gt some sleeping meds I think sad

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 22:13:59

Yes, it is included in them PR but it is like anything I guess, it can still be caught despite vaccination.

Pass Hope P is okay in herself otherwise smile

Passmethecrisps Fri 10-May-13 22:17:05

More flowers for kyz!

Over here they are only just talking about innoculation against rotovirus PR. It's in the news at the moment. This might be why my GP was being cautious about it - he knows I am a google queen.

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 10-May-13 22:19:29

Evening all, despite being fairly pissed off with the house debacle I've managed to have a nice day. Went to a nature trail with the girls and my Dsis and mum. Spent some time getting the house into some order. Got a viewing tomorrow and considering it only went back on rightmove this morning I'm taking that as a positive sign. Going out with lots of friends for DH's birthday celebration tomorrow so looking forward to that. Right, now to comment on the thread....what I remember anyway!

pr yay for new clothes. You deserve it.

clarella wow bladder reflux. Never heard of that. Poor lo. hmm

gt sorry about Canada.

bplp I missed swimming gate but from your brief recap it sounds very annoying!

stunt well done j. Sounds like he's doing great.

kyz poor E. hope he's better soon.
Re the milk, I always give E her milk after I've done puree but her circumstances are a bit unusual.

Oh god, can't remember what else I wanted to say but think I've covered most of it.

LuisGarcia Fri 10-May-13 22:19:49





Passmethecrisps Fri 10-May-13 22:19:55

Pfft det she is bright as a button bizarrely. She seems unphased thankfully. She obviously has an upset tummy but it isn't bothering her.

Are the innoculations different up here then det? I know I have heard it discussed in the news that they are planning to add it to the jags.

I'm starting to wonder if I have the wrong name. I am sure e said rotovirus

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 22:20:51

I stand corrected, rotavirus vaccine is coming this July. I thought it was last year!

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 22:21:21

No, it's me thinking I read the date as last year!!

Passmethecrisps Fri 10-May-13 22:21:40

Fuck luis. Just fuck.

Kyzordz Fri 10-May-13 22:21:54

det what an odd way for him to sleep! Hope you manage a transfer soon! E still naps on the sofa in the day. Really must fix that. I'd be fucked if he decided not to go in his cot at night!

Thanks mm hope it's not your kidneys whispers you don't need to poas do you?

Aw pr Thankyou for the flowers smile doctor thinks its viral, I mainly took him because my dbro had sceptic tonsillitis last week and I wouldn't want e to suffer if they could give abs or something. As it is the doctor doesn't think it's that, or it doesn't look that way so far.

Sounds like a trip to the doctors about your sleep or lack of it is a good idea, have you tried kalms or anything? Sorry, can't remember if you've mentioned it

YellowWellies Fri 10-May-13 22:23:01

Pass that's quite a haunting thought - that he's super thorough because he's trying to make up for missing something in the past sad if so poor chap. For what its worth without vomming I doubt its rotavirus. Get well soon poppet P! And E. And other poorly small folks. Clarella I've never heard of bladder reflux - but just ouch. Poor little love xx

Osteopath today was v interesting - she was able to tell me without prompting about his birth - back to back, dry, ventouse. She could feel where he had the haematoma and pointed out he has minor torticolis (sic?) and is tight along one side. She didn't do anything dramatic - just gentle palpitation. But the bear's eyes were wide and he was transfixed by her and only occasionally tried to nom on her hands. We're off back next week. Am intrigued by it I'll admit.

Passmethecrisps Fri 10-May-13 22:23:48

Gotcha det!

Right. Sleepy time. Baby is asleep. Cat is asleep. DH is asleep. Time for me to join them

Dixiebell Fri 10-May-13 22:24:14

Thanks detective on the recipes... Be good to know what you rate. Where are you getting them from, online? I only got the cheap online membership so don't have any books or anything. Been adjusting my own cooking methods really. Finding it easy enough to fill up on decent meals with meat, pasta, rice all being free foods. Had chicken with pineapple, baby corn & mange tout tonight. yum. I actually just realised there are different guidelines for if you're BFing too, I'm supposed to eat more healthy extras and eat my full quota of 15 syns!

Kyzordz Fri 10-May-13 22:25:47

Forgot to say I hope miss p is all sorted soon pass

Going to google rotovirus. Think I know what it is anyway

Thanks eliza am considering doing it that way with e possibly, though not for brekkie, i'd die getting up any earlier blush

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 22:27:11

Yep, you get more yummy stuff when breastfeeding!

I have got them from a couple of places - online from slimming world, and from googling slimming world recipes. People have also posted them in the fb page for our group.

Best one's I've had have been chicken fajhitas, and the arribiata sauce I did tonight! Do you want me to PM you the recipes?

Kyzordz Fri 10-May-13 22:28:23

That sounds really interesting yw

E is 37.8c temp wise. May calpol before I put him back as its edging toward high. Fc he doesn't wake!

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 22:28:24

I've swapped around, I now give O his bottle first and food second. He takes less solids this way. But he should be having milk as the main part of his diet. So we've gone back that way!

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 22:29:18

Would you think it worth trying then YW? Is it expensive? How many sessions are recommended?!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 10-May-13 22:29:42

I have a TMI question for the bf mummy's if you don't mind? I still haven't had a period. Not that I'm complaining, just wondering if I'm alone. I have fucked up cycles so not overly surprised and I can't remember how long it was after DD1 was born that I had one. Just interested really. Feel free to tell me to mind my own!

Kyzordz Fri 10-May-13 22:31:06

Keep forgetting to tell you my fave ones detective, what kind of things do you like? Can dig through some books if you want? Mum has loads plus the monthly mags

Jacket potatoes with bacon and tomato topping stuff is lush.

Kyzordz Fri 10-May-13 22:32:43

Do you give one straight after t'other eliza and det? Or leave a gap of time? If so how long? Sorry for so many q's

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 22:33:41

I like chicken recipes, ones that I can put substitute meat in, ie. veggie sausages, or veggie mince. I also eat bacon, but not usually in things. More with stuff I suppose.

Fussy fucker!

Love pasta too.

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 22:35:07

If depends Kyz. This morning he finished his bottle in full, and seemed interested in eating, so offered him it. He had it and didn't quite finish.

This evening he had his bottle, but only took 6oz. I took it as he was full, and decided to offer food an hour later, and he took the vast majority of it.

I suppose I just wing it really, and try and fit it all in around naps and stuff!

Donnadoon Fri 10-May-13 22:36:39

Eliza I still b/feed 3-4 times a day and have had 2 periods ...one in January and one in April. Dd is 7 months.

Kyzordz Fri 10-May-13 22:39:57

Thanks for the info smile I am a panicker as you know and like routine. Should chill a bit!

Will have a look at recipes. There's some lovely pasta ones. A really nice fish pie too if you like fish

Chicken is my fave too so I've had lots of those. Will try to have a look tomorrow smile

YellowWellies Fri 10-May-13 22:40:23

Eliza no period here either. Huzzah.

£35 a session Det - think we're going to do a couple and see where we are. It could be woo. It could have something in it. My minds open for now.

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 22:44:18

That's pretty reasonable. I'll bear it in mind if you get good results. Keep updating!

Kyz I have a fish phobia blush so definitely no fish here!! But yes, recommend any good ones, always looking for ideas!!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 10-May-13 22:52:25

Thanks donna

high five yw I'm not a freak then! (Well for that reason anyway)

kyz E has puree, bit of finger food and milk or water in a cup all at the same time. Then a bf followed by her tube feed. It's a bloody mission! But if she ate normally you'd read it as food plus milk straight after. Takes so long I have no time for gaps!

MsJupiterJones Fri 10-May-13 23:07:58

Hello all. I am v bunged up & ill. Feeling v sorry for myself. No voice and horrible sinus pain.

DS was v wakeful last night & has already had an extra bfeed tonight. First time ever I am not sleeping next to him as DH says he will deal with wakenings.

Have read thread but can't quite think straight so will just bid you goodnight.

Oh except to say Eliza I haven't had my period yet and I'm bf 3-4 x per day.

And Dixie well done on weight loss.

Oh and Katie/Kyz I also call DS Bean, although didn't when pg.

Peace love & sleepy dust to all x

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 23:12:19

JJ That was me last week - sympathies. The worst was over by 4 days.

I am annoyed no surprise because I am having to resist raiding the fridge for kit kats. As the grill is broke - most of the things I have for supper I can't have. I'd normally try and have my healthy extras if I hadn't had them - by having cheese on toast. Can't have it. Can't grill any mushrooms and tomatoes to nom on. Can't have toast with dippy eggs.

I really need that grill fixed. They were supposed to come today but the part didn't arrive. Is coming on monday instead. angry.

And it is costing me £70 fucking quid. Raaaaaah!

horseylady Fri 10-May-13 23:14:25

kyz we wing it here. Generally solids offered an hour after food. Though sometimes straight after. Like det says.

det are you serious about the bank holidays? I don't think can do that??!!! Holiday is 29 + 8 bank holidays? I was about to have this argument with my boss once my request comes back. If it comes back. They've already pissed me off.

Been offered a job tonight. Not nhs. Not cancer related. Not sure long term it's best. I dunno. Do I want to go back to working split shifts??!!

ValiumQueen Fri 10-May-13 23:16:14

YW I want to get J done now after reading what you said. Very reasonable rate too. A good thing about living up here I guess.

Detective that is so not fair about the BH pay. I have never heard of unsocial hours paid whilst off sick. I guess that was AFC.

Bollocks about a catheter and bladder reflux.

Get yourself checked out MM.

Pass I think your doctor is incorrect as there would be vomiting. Unless the carobel is that fucking good.

Tried fat boy on two meals today. Had first meal fine, just fruit. For tea I gave him carrot and sweet potato. He gagged then had a bit and loved it, then decided he was going to blow raspberries. I was covered in a fine mist of orange. Little sod.

My other brother, the twat not my hero, commented on FB last night. DH had put a pic of J at 8.30 saying 'not ready for bed yet' mainly for his mum. Bro put 'Bedtime routine? He should be asleep by now' Fucking twat. I am still fuming. Any thoughts on an appropriate response? All mine are too rude.

ValiumQueen Fri 10-May-13 23:16:14

YW I want to get J done now after reading what you said. Very reasonable rate too. A good thing about living up here I guess.

Detective that is so not fair about the BH pay. I have never heard of unsocial hours paid whilst off sick. I guess that was AFC.

Bollocks about a catheter and bladder reflux.

Get yourself checked out MM.

Pass I think your doctor is incorrect as there would be vomiting. Unless the carobel is that fucking good.

Tried fat boy on two meals today. Had first meal fine, just fruit. For tea I gave him carrot and sweet potato. He gagged then had a bit and loved it, then decided he was going to blow raspberries. I was covered in a fine mist of orange. Little sod.

My other brother, the twat not my hero, commented on FB last night. DH had put a pic of J at 8.30 saying 'not ready for bed yet' mainly for his mum. Bro put 'Bedtime routine? He should be asleep by now' Fucking twat. I am still fuming. Any thoughts on an appropriate response? All mine are too rude.

ValiumQueen Fri 10-May-13 23:16:49

Fucking app grin

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 23:18:21

Does he have kids??!!!

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 23:22:52

Yep, we won't get any bank hol entitlement while on maternity leave. I'm itching for a fight though. I might challenge it.

Normally if you work shifts, when you are off sick, you get averaged pay, taking your previous 3 months wages and averaging them to give you your sick pay. Now that is being removed and you just get basic pay. So for many of us who get around £500 extra month for working these shifts, it's a kick in the teeth.

I've given my all to the NHS. I've worked some horrific combination of shifts, working horrendous unsocial hours, such as nights, followed by sleep day then an early. We are forced to work 2 weeks of nights a month. If all these things are slowly being eroded, people just won't want to work unsocial hours. And people will just go off sick anyway.

I had a long chat with a very forthright colleague of mine tonight. She's a womans champion. Real advocate for womens rights. She has been off sick for the last 4 months with work related stress after she voiced the opinion that we were working under a dictatorship.

I feel sad.

A move north of the border might be in order. I'm serious. I'm off to look at jobs/houses.

ValiumQueen Fri 10-May-13 23:23:30

Yes. Two teenagers. His wife has Munchausens by proxy and is convinced their daughter has Lupus even though the Lupus hospital said no. He also had the cheek to say to my mum that if the doctor had said it was not reflux then it wasn't. He is such a twat. He was swapped at birth I swear. Or mum kept the afterbirth by mistake. My other brother has Aspergers and is fucking awesome. And very good at maths. But not hugs.

ValiumQueen Fri 10-May-13 23:25:17

Come up near me Detective. The Wee County needs livening up grin

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 23:26:23

I think I'd call a cunt a cunt then! Just reply with sorry, cunts don't get opinions!

Elizadoesdolittle Fri 10-May-13 23:29:01

detective I have no wise insight to your situation. Have a wine that's my alternative to swearing.

jj hope you get a good nights sleep and feel better tomorrow.

Off to bed now, night all.

ValiumQueen Fri 10-May-13 23:33:39

grin If only I could put that grin

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 23:35:39

I thought someone replied to my status then. Then I realised cunts can't reply.

I could be here all night grin.

TheDetective Fri 10-May-13 23:36:39

Found some jobs for community midwives in midlothian and east lothian grin

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 00:05:53

How about 'you cunt be serious?'

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 00:06:52

J just downed a 9 oz bottle. He needs pies clearly.

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 00:12:27


VQ O took 11oz at his bedtime feed a couple of nights ago. You could have picked me up off the floor... we now make up 2 8oz bottles at bedtime...!

He needs milk free pie wink.

LuisGarcia Sat 11-May-13 00:31:48

Takes all current emotions, shoves them into bottle, corks bottle, puts label on saying "Do not open until next Wednesday"

Hi, Everyone!

TheDetective I don't fancy your cousin. No offence, he's just not my type, and I just thought the thread needed some balance.

Bryzoan Thank you for worrying. I'm fine. Just stand clear on Wednesday

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 00:37:08

I think you are going to have to tell us your type now Luis!

LuisGarcia Sat 11-May-13 00:51:16

Thought about making a jokey reply, but cheesy as this sounds MrsG is my archetype. Think Dannii Minogue or Lindsey from CSI NY.

Knee pain is my excuse for the cheese.

GTbaby Sat 11-May-13 01:03:55

VQ. Lol at mum taking home after birth.
Det. Shocking how badly work can treat you.
Kzy and pass. I started with one cube about an hour before milk. But quickly it seemed that he was a bit confused when it finished, so upped to two. 3weeks on we r on 4. And like horsey we wing the milk. Depends on my getting my timing right as well. In morning I'm crap. So usually give him milk n the breakfast as 11/12feed. So we do milk first then weetabix.
Then depending on his nap, when he wakes we give him 3cubes of different veggies n 1 of lentils. Followed by milk. If he is hungry on waking I will give milk first then wait an hour n do food.
Then at 6 ish I will try give yoghurt n a fruit. But this depends on me having time.
In terms of puree. I just use blender. No mesh strainer. We started a week before 6months. N he was ok with texture to food n it not being totally runny.
I did-
Week1- different fruit/veg every day( i didnt know about same thing for three day rule. Opps)
week2- more then one type of veg per meal.
Week 3- introduced yoghurt and lentils.
haven't done meat yet. Will try boiled egg tomorrow maybe.

Qq. Should I be making weetabix with FF? As I've been giving him 3 table spoons of mine which is made with milk and add boiled water to thin slightly.

Pr sucks your not sleeping. I know how frustrating it can be.

Dixiebell Sat 11-May-13 01:39:21

Det, thanks, I've googled those recipes easily, so will try! But yes, we should all recommend any good ones we find!

On that theme of sharing, just bought some nursing tops from /www.mamaway.co.uk which are pretty good for summer, actually hide tummy and boob whilst being nice!

And eliza, no period here either. With ds1 I think it was almost a year, when we were down to just a couple bf a day. Is good!

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 01:39:28

F has been awake since 11.30 angry. Poonami, feed. Now she just fancies a chat. Gah. Very whingey though so have given her some calpol. DH is oblivious, asleep on the sofa. If he dares to say that he's tired tomorrow there may be fireworks.

Talking of which I can't wait for Wednesday to see luis' rage - I recall some spectacular swearing recently?!

Eliza no periods here either grin


<scrabbles for matchsticks whilst wriggly full-of-beans baby wriggles some more>


LuisGarcia Sat 11-May-13 02:25:35

Anyone up?

MsJupiterJones Sat 11-May-13 02:29:01

I haven't gone to sleep yet. But only because of boring cold. Grumble grumble atishoo. L is asleep. How's tricks?

LuisGarcia Sat 11-May-13 02:32:38

L won't sleep anywhere but on me. P grateful neither of us have a cold now, though.

MsJupiterJones Sat 11-May-13 02:52:57

He keeps stirring due to light from phone I think (also from snorting mother) so will have to sign out. Good luck with your night...

LuisGarcia Sat 11-May-13 03:01:36

I have now been up for 22 hours. 22 is a small number, right? It's just two little ducks, after all

StuntNun Sat 11-May-13 03:48:22

Poor Luis that sounds terrible. Any chance of you sneaking off for a nap tomorrow?

GT I think cow's milk should only be given if it's cooked into something until one year as it can be difficult to digest and hard on the kidneys.

Too tired to post any more. I really hope J doesn't wake up for the day at 5 again.

Dixiebell Sat 11-May-13 04:37:10

2nd waking since DF.

Meant to say before, the first waking, Ted normally snuffles and grunts and kicks for a while which wakes us up before he starts crying sometimes even goes back to sleep. But earlier, he just woke with a blood curdling scream, made DH and me jump right out of deep sleep. DH was then lying there doing deep breathing for 5 minutes, as if he was having a heart attack or something. hmm grin I know I shouldn't find it funny...

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 05:41:31

GT yes cows milk only if cooked until 1 year. I would make weetabix with FF. I can only begin to imagine what J would be like on lentils. He is windy enough as it is.

J woke at 11.45 and 5. 9 oz both times. He self settled at 3.30.

I was tempted to get up for the day at 5 and he is still not settled. Fuckballs.

Lily311 Sat 11-May-13 06:00:55

I am so tired. She woke only once for milk but cried out every 1.5 hours. Enough to wake me up. Than did a poo at 5 and just went back to sleep. We are off sofa shopping this am so can't rest. Tmrw will be the first day I leave o with my mum, we are going to paint the flat with my brother and dad. I'm just afraid she will let her sleep a lot, she has the tendency to solve problems by putting kids to sleep.

We only tried broccoli, courgette, sweet potato, butternut squash, carrots and some fruits. She is 6 months old on the 20th, will start weaning properly. We are still on one cube per feed twice a day.

Oh, and I'm tanned already. The weather is so amazing here, skirts and vests enough. O is do happy here, will try to post a pic of her big smiles on Facebook.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 11-May-13 06:30:51

pennie enhanced parental leave is up to 12 months off unpaid to care for any of your children over 1 ( as you can have 52 weeks mat leave) or under 5. So my plan was, as we are moving to NI in sept and I didn't want to have to pay back any MA, to return to work ASAP then apply for my year in DS1s name. But the the VR potential came up, and it's all kicking off at the same time, obviously VR would be better as the package is quite good and I have been there 17 years.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 11-May-13 06:32:44

I don't give cows milk till over 1, but would cook it into meals etc. like you vq I use ff on cereal Nd even in porridge but mainly as he never finishes his breakfast milk!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 06:34:42


I have to go buy DD1 shoes today. I hate doing this as over here children's shoes are so fucking expensive, and their feet grow so fast, but she needs some summer type things, and some slippers. Damn.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 11-May-13 06:36:58

lily so busy. I hope you are feeling ok I have been thinking of you.

O had his first pasta yesterday, it went down really well.

PurplePidjin Sat 11-May-13 07:15:27

MummyPidj 1 -0 PidjChick

What was shaping up to be a horrendous night with wake ups every 40 minutes resulted in me throwing a strop right back at him at 2:30. Nappy changed, dummy held in gently and Ewan on.

1 1/2 minutes of shouting, 20 minutes of harp music, 4 hours sleep.

And he woke up happy!

Mummy will he imposing boundaries more often hmm

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 08:25:14

Go pidj

ChasingDaisy Sat 11-May-13 08:29:20

Ahem. O slept 6 hours shock. And only one night feed shock. Am sure it is only a one off but it proves he can do it.

Off to the hairdressers later so will spend the few hours there catching up on the thread and missing O

Happy Saturday all smile

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 11-May-13 08:31:15

Feeling smug. Have slipped down into the 10stones department, ok am 10 stone 13lbs but am so pleased. That is 2 stone off since having O. 1/2 stone to go hoorahhhhhh. grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 11-May-13 08:31:50

Enjoy the hairdressers chasing .

Passmethecrisps Sat 11-May-13 08:44:13

Hi-5 pidj!

Poor you JJ. Sounds rubbish.

Thanks for all the thoughts on cubes. Really helpful.

luis you must have a very large bottle by the sounds of it. The Garcia family are very lucky to have you.

I don't think P has Rotavirus either. I think she just nommed something grubby. I must say I am not a dettol queen really. She seems to be on the mend although she has developed an annoying dry cough.

DH's birthday today. P's birthday pressie was sleeping an extra hour! Nice one wee P. not sure what we will do later.

Random rant - if I wanted to know what was happening on the Apprentice or the Voice I would watch them. I don't. Why oh why do they get coverage on the frikkin breakfast news?

Passmethecrisps Sat 11-May-13 08:54:14

That is ace sophia! These milestones are so important. You have done brilliantly - I am very impressed. I need some of your resolve. I wanted to get back to pre-pregnancy weight before going back to work which I though was a really attainable goal. What I didn't factor was a) my fat-bastard appetite b) my total lack of will power.

Passmethecrisps Sat 11-May-13 08:57:34

Enjoy the hairdressers chasing.

MsJupiterJones Sat 11-May-13 09:28:44

Sophia that is brilliant. Well done you. I am inspired smile

Pass please ignore me, I'm a terrible patient and a very grumpy and overdramatic one. But thank you x and hope P is feeling better for her extra hrs sleep.

Chasing & Pidj good news on the sleeping, well done O and PC!

Lily lovely to hear you sounding so relaxed and happy and that O is happy too. Enjoy the sunshine.

MaMaPo Sat 11-May-13 09:42:43

<waves from Australia> Apologies, have read none of this new Fred, just dropping in to say hi. Our flight over was fine, C was very well behaved and slept a lot - me, much less. We've been here 36 hours which feels like I've spent a lot of time trying to put an overtired baby to sleep, or waking (!) a baby at 10am who wants to sleep for 7 hours. I'm being very mean.

But the weather is lovely (will change soon), the air smells delightful, the coffee is great and baby C met two grandparents, an aunt and uncle and three very excited cousins today. She's a huge hit.

Now I just need her to sleep for more than 45 mins at a time tonight, and we'll be all grand. I'll be back to read about quiche activity later but there is a sleeping baby in my arms to be put down, a glass of wine with my name on it, and some fresh fish for dinner. Life is good.

Hope life is good with all the babies.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 11-May-13 09:53:53

pass I too am basically greedy and love food and cooking. Hairy dieters has been brill.

fruitpastilles Sat 11-May-13 10:23:09

Well done sophia I really need a kick up the arse to do something about my weight she says nomming a biscuit and drinking milkshake I also have no willpower anymore, I lost 2 stone on slimming world but its all slipping back on since I have stopped going!

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 10:30:54

Chasing and pidj - well done on sleeps.
Mamapo glad to hear you've got there safely - although sounds lie a challenge to get LO to sleep with the jet lag.
Luis sounds as though I just missed you last night - thought I was the only poor soul up at that time.

F is not right. I'm considering taking her to the out of hours docs. She fed at 11.30pm and hasn't since. She tried to feed this morning, managed about 1 minute and then gagged. She's not quite as perky as usual. It's the 4th day now - you would think she'd be starting to turn the corner, but the feeding is getting worse. And she's needing calpol a couple of times a day, otherwise she bellows in pain.

fruitpastilles Sat 11-May-13 10:56:11

Aww pig hugs thanks poor F I hope she gets better soon.

ChasingDaisy Sat 11-May-13 11:38:38

<waves from hairdressers, hot chocolate in hand>

Pig mummy's intuition is always right. Better safe than sorry with tiny people. I hope she is ok.

Pass I am surprised O hasn't picked up a tummy bug yet considering the amount of nomming he does and my lack of Dettol Queen-ness. Oh and bbc breakfast, its just advertising innit.

I am also starting O on purees again this week so we can give it a go together.

Well done pidj and pidjchick!

Luis I second what pass said. I'm sorry I missed you last night. You put a lot of the quiche's menfolk to shame. Family Garcia are very lucky indeed. How fucking good at WWF would you be if you weren't sleep deprived?!

Brockle Sat 11-May-13 11:41:09

QQ: how long does it take for baby passports to come back and did you need the passport before you booked the flights?

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 12:07:25

I am very embarassed. A friend of mine has opened up a kids' gift shop. Gorgeous but expensive stuff. Anyway it opened yesterday so we popped in this morning, and we decided to buy a couple of bits of stuff. And she wouldn't let us pay for it. So I said I would compromise and she can give us something cheap if she liked, but not the expensive stuff, and picked up a colouring book for DD1. So she ran everything through the till and billed us only for the colouring book blush

She says the rest is presents for the birth of LO.

On day 2 of business, we'e not even close and she's giving out big freebies. I felt really uncomfortable. I took some leaflets and am going to go out after dark and pop them through letterboxes, but the's nothing else I can do. I will of course buy her a present to say thank you but that's not going to make up for the cost to her stock.

But I hate it when people make a big deal and try to refuse if I give them a present, you just have to accept. But I feel bad.

If she sold stuff online I'd link all over MN, but she doesn't.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 12:11:00

pig I hope F is OK. when I read your post I read 'out of doors doc' and imagined an open air surgery somewhere nice, like by a river, with bunting. Then I re-read and felt like a prat.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 12:15:18

PR if only that were the case! How lovely of your friend to be so generous - I suppose the best thing you can do is to spread the word.

Luis I read this and thought of you grin - I hope you haven't got quite this bad yet. I think I'm heading that way...

Chasing enjoy your brew and mini-pamper.

StuntNun Sat 11-May-13 12:17:21

Brockle I got J's in a couple of weeks but that was December, it might take three weeks this time of year. You don't need the passport to make the booking. I recommend applying for passports in plenty of time if you can as I had DS2's turned down once because they said the photos were too light. I sent DS1's on Tuesday so I could see how long it takes to get it back.

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 12:43:33

I did O's in feb Brockle it took 2 weeks, and that included them sending me a letter telling me I was a twat for not sending his birth certificate I didn't know they needed it, and I was sleep deprived okay?!. It will take a little longer at this time of year I would think. And no, you can book minus passports.

Chez Detective is falling apart today. So fucking tired. The most sleep I had in one stretch last night to be honest, the most sleep I even got at all was 1.5 hours. O had 26. Yes. 26 transfer fails.

It was horrific. I don't know what to do any more. He goes to sleep in arms, and in pram (although waking frequently) but the minute he is put in the cot he wakes up instantly and goes mental.

At wits end.

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 12:44:01

And both me and DP tried feeding him. He wasn't waking for feeds. He was just waking.

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 12:44:38

Am going to attempt to remove him from the pram now and put him in the cot for his nap.

We will fix this. We have to.

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 12:50:54

He is now in the cot. Woke when picked up, and shuffled when put down, but at the minute, he's asleep.

I'm wondering if the fact we've propped the cot slightly has made him not want to be in there? Is it his swaddle - his new one comes today thank fuck. Is is the new formula? Is it his food? Is it reflux.

So many questions. And no answers.

YellowWellies Sat 11-May-13 13:06:20

Det it sounds like the 6 month sleep regression - for 12 nights Jonas seemed to forget how to join sleep cycles together and woke squeaking grumpily after each one. Every time we put him down - bing he'd wake. We took it in two 4.5 hour shifts in the end. We just cuddled him, shushed him, rocked him, fed him, soothed him swore a bit swore a lot despaired we'd ever sleep again and eventually with me sleeping in another room so he couldn't smell milk he's fixed and actually sleeping much better than before. He goes in his own room tonight as the blinds are up - eeek confused

Given how well O was sleeping - I bet after this he'll be sleeping through. We still have one night feed at 5-6am but I'm happy with that as it makes my boobs more comfy and I sleep better after it. Just get through it however you can. Its a developmental change in his brain not them trying to piss us off though they do a good impression of that.

Brockle Sat 11-May-13 13:14:49

thanks ladies. second QQ: would you stay in heathrow overnight 9 until 6 to save nearly 200 pounds or would you pay the extra for an easy flight?

y is also being awful sleepwise detective . he will only nap on sofa and has forgotten how to self settle angry he is 23 weeks.

YellowWellies Sat 11-May-13 13:18:26

Brockle, Det Jonas still seems to be relearning self soothing when napping. He can manage it at night again but daytime naps - even in the buggy or on me he's stirring every 20 minutes or so or at any loud noise. DH is going to attempt to implement cot naps tomorrow! hmm shock I'll be so chuffed if he cracks it smile

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 13:24:40

Okay, okay, you have calmed me down! Please tell me he won't do this again when he actually makes it to 6 months?!!

I keep thinking it is something I've done wrong! It just feels like russian roulette with the odds stacked firmly against me!

I never know when to go to bed any more, as he wakes so often, I don't know where his long stretch is! It also seems the second we are in bed, he wakes. It isn't just me, DP confirmed this with me last night. We go up, get in bed quietly, and he wakes. Even when he's been in deep sleep.

I'm being driven crackers!

I am also raging at Amazon. I've been holding out in desperation for this new swaddle to arrive.

Got an email half an hour ago. It isn't coming til Monday.

Rage doesn't really cover it. Don't mess with a sleep deprived mother.....

I paid 8 fucking quid for next day delivery. Fucking cunts.

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 13:26:08

I'd pay the extra if I could Brockle. Or a train? Or hotel?

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 13:32:12

I think the Amazon guy I am ranting to must think I am a fruitloop.

When you have a baby that won't sleep with out something, you would do anything.

You can't get them in shops FFS. I need the fucking swaddle! I've told DP to buy velcro and I'll sew his swaddle up.

Brockle Sat 11-May-13 13:38:18

my worry at the mo is that ds2 self settled at 6 weeks until he was 6 months old and never self settled/slept through again. he is nearly 5 and we still have issues. I really don't want to fuck it up again

I did not persist and cos I was working I let him sleep with us if he woke. worst. decision. ever. this time I am trying to persist but its bloody hard.

incidentally ds2 has had the habit ofsticking his hand in my bra since he was a year old. he used to do it when we were having a cuddle or sleeping. It has taken us five years to nip that one in the bud. I think it is a breastfeeding closeness thing but i ignored DH about stopping him when he was really little and he's only just stopped doing it. so breastfeeders beware. I am very embarassed about this. I asked him once why he does it and he said "because its soft" grin

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 13:40:10

Boobs are great for cuddling grin.

Gawdddddd.... kids. Why do we do this again?! Please remind me!

Off to get awake baby up....

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 13:40:32

Bedtime routine detective? grin Sleep regression here too. Remember your boy was well overdue so by adjusted dates he is right there. It also takes a while to get used to a new formula, but I think it is the 6 month thing. It will get better. J was marginally better last night, but has yet to sleep today. Well, he was asleep but my mother woke him. Grr.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 13:41:04

Det would gaffer tape do a simiilar job?? I had a similar experience with their next day delivery - it turned up 3 days later. It taught me not to leave birthday present shopping to the day before though.

I will be interested to see what sort of state Fs sleep is in when she's well again. Funny little moomin that she is, she's only fed once today, at 11 - but nommed a cube of pear puree at lunch. I keep offering milk but she's not interested. I look like I've got 2 bald men lurking down my top. DH face looks like this -> grin shock and then like this ---> sad when I tell him to --fuck off leave them alone.

Brockle Sat 11-May-13 13:43:50

I love amazon for everything but next day delivery. I have had orders lost or been late cos of their crapness. can you afford a trip to mothercare and complain to amazon about the swaddle?

we have the money for the extra it just could form.part of our spending money instead of the flight. 2000 quid for flights angry. luckily PILs paying half but hate thinking about what we could do with a thousand pounds angry

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 13:44:39

brockle you did not fuck up. You made the best decision at the time with the information you had available.

bp hope LO soon feeds again. I am sure you know to watch for signs of dehydration considering your line of work smile

Brockle Sat 11-May-13 13:45:08

when he was little he used to try it with my mum. highly embarassing!

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 13:45:27

You can't get the big sizes of swaddle anywhere other than online. sad

Fucking amazon. I would like to strangle people today!

Bedtime routine is laughed in the face of by O I suspect right now. hmm

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 13:45:38

brockle where are you off to again?

Brockle Sat 11-May-13 13:47:17


ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 13:47:44

You can take a tired baby to a cot, but you cannot make them sleep. Except with drugs. Which is not allowed.

Brockle Sat 11-May-13 13:48:44

detective is your mum as good with a needle as she is with the knitting? could she fix the one you have?

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 13:49:19

Oh yes. Awesome! I would love to go there. Visiting DHs family IIRC? I would pay the extra for an easier flight.

ChasingDaisy Sat 11-May-13 13:49:23

Detective I think developmental leaps etc go by due date so O technically is 6 months old smile

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 13:53:21

I'm going to ignore this due date nonsense, because that means Fs 6 months will be about 5 days before I return to work. Head. In. Sand.

Brockle Sat 11-May-13 13:53:32

yes it is amazing if you could remove that sodding wall, and remove is the most pc way of saying it

yes, staying with PILs.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 13:59:28

Det I hope you ordered O this swaddle!

MsJupiterJones Sat 11-May-13 14:17:00

Brockle L's took 10 days.

Det that sounds a lot like L (the waking, not the swaddle). We had pretty much the same due date iirc? So although they are almost a month apart it could be that they have hit the same dev stage.

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 15:16:40

Damn it! Will cancel and reorder grin.

VQ I will have a bash at making a straightjacket it. DP out looking for velcro. Will just sew additional velcro, and sew one of the flaps he escapes from up grin.

O is having a tongue out day! He's literally doing dog impressions! He won't put his tongue away! Anyone elses babies do this?!

Grrrr posted this ages ago! Fail!

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 15:41:48

Right. Crisis averted. Guess what?

Bloody Pramworld have got them in the shop! DP dispatched to get one!

In the meanwhile I've fashioned his old swaddle with a shit load of velcro. It's nap time in 5 minutes. Lets see what happens!

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 15:42:14

J is also having a tongue poking out day. How strange and spooky! I think it is a developmental stage. Blowing raspberries, sticking out tongue etc. wish he would put more effort into rolling or sitting or even sleeping. He has just gone off to sleep now at 3.30. That is nearly 9 hours awake. And he was not hysterical, in fact he has been fairly chilled.

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 15:44:33

9 hours? Most O has done is 5 hours and that was most definitely not calm hmm.

He is trying to stick his tongue out as far as it goes! He loves copying tongues out, blowing raspberries, both with lips and with tongue out, but he doesn't normally pant like a dog grin.

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 15:44:57

YW I have a bone to pick with you! <<narrows eyes>> I am now addicted to Rightmove looking for a house as nice as yours. I have seen a gorgeous one in Clackmannan. Not sure about Clackmannan. Heard dodgy things. Then again the village I live in is not exactly Bridge of Allan.

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 15:47:35

He had 10 minutes at 11 before my mother exploded through the front door. It may have been just enough to carry him on. Or is sweet potato magic? It tasted beyond lovely. I could bath with a friend in that stuff.

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 15:48:19

Did you glue or staple the Velcro on?

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 15:49:52

DD2 has been clean and dry all day. Even with going out with Daddy. And she did a proper log as well. Very impressive for one so small.

GTbaby Sat 11-May-13 15:52:35

Det- Can O sleep in a baby grow. N u leave the arms in/ or tie arms up/ cut off arm n sow up. (Obviously i mean arm of baby grow not O!) So kinda making ur own grow bag. Just thinking of a short term fix.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 15:57:21

Det if I had twins, I would buy 2 of those swaddles, just so I could say "they're like peas in a pod". Yes, I am that sad.

F awake. Wet nappy, but then it hadn't been changed since 10am. One snacky-type feed. One choke-on-vomit incident where I aged about 10 years.

VQ I must try some of this mystical sweet potato, and see if it posesses the magical qualities you speak of.

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 16:02:07

Proper log <snorts> grin

GT the legs are also a problem for him! He kicks himself awake hmm

I think he will be the quiches longest swaddled baby! Both in length and duration wink.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 16:07:54

Sweet potato is indeed magic.

The Nestlefication of my LO is complete sad DH, buoyed up by the earlier successes of Nestlé has bought cereal that you add to milk, vanilla flavoured. And she loves it.

I'm torn between insisting that she only eats and drinks anything prepared by me, and just going along with it as, after all, she is his baby too, and sometimes I feel like, just like with DD1, I spend my life saying 'no'.

And it's not going to harm her as such, I suppose. Unless it makes her ill in which case I will have legitimate reason to stop it. Ting is he already has a son from his last marriage but one, so has been though this before.

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 16:11:07

If I had twins, I'd die. End of!

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 16:23:03

I think I am going to cry. In a good way.

DP's aunt just turned up at the door with not one, but two swaddles shock.

I can't believe it!!!!

Sometimes, people can be so kind. I am not used to it!

What can I do to say thank you?!!!!

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 16:28:06

Erm, say 'thank you'

And maybe buy her some flowers for next time you see her?

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 16:33:27

I said thank you a lot! but we don't see them very often at all!

Couldn't even take O out to see her as he was asleep blush (she's in a wheelchair and getting in and out the car is a hell of a lot of effort for her. She has a mobility van type thing. Plus she couldn't even come in my house as she can't get up the step in the chair!

I feel very guilty!

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 11-May-13 16:50:07

dixie thanks for posting that website. Not heard of it before. I need some new nursing tops for when I go on holiday. I've been wearing breastvests which are fine for the cooler weather but not when it's too hot. There are some lovely tops on that site.

vq I have actually been to bridge of Allan, ended up their drunk in some late night club thing after a night out in Edinburgh. Random.

detective glad swaddle gate is solved. Re amazon and next day delivery, they wouldn't deliver on a Sunday anyway would they?

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 16:50:09

Flowers then for next time.

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 17:07:46

I ordered Thursday night Dixie and it was supposed to be here today!

Swaddlegate continues. sad

The new swaddles don't swaddle. hmm

It's the Love to Swaddle Up one. Arms by face just ready for twatting purposes does not make a swaddle. hmm

It should keep arms down or across chest surely???!

My alterations have helped anyway. He didn't escape at nap time.

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 11-May-13 17:23:15

Ah I get ya, sorry I obviously didn't follow swaddlegate properly!

TheDetective Sat 11-May-13 17:53:53


kirrinIsland Sat 11-May-13 18:06:58

Well done Sophia smile

Eliza I haven't had a period yet and I'm still feeding 3 times a day at least. With DD1 I didn't have one til I stopped completely at 9 months.

Hope you're feeling better JJ I think I have the same as you - my whole face hurts sad

Sorry about the knees Luis is anything helping?

Brockle I got our passports in 7 days back in Feb. Probably take longer now though.

detective N does the sticky out tongue thing too - very cute smile

I've had the worlds most boring day. It's chucking it down here and I struggle to find Goidelic things to do when it's raining. Even soft play hell is out as I can't supervise DD1 well enough when holding N (she can get a bit bolshy). Still, I had a lie in this morning so not all bad!

Lily311 Sat 11-May-13 18:33:14

brockle I paid for O's passport the priority fee as we had a flight to catch at Xmas time but and it came in 8 days.

Sofa ordered, it's a corner one and will be at the flat within 2 weeks so we are staying with my parents till than. Bought lots of other things too and the car was so full. O was a superstar, charming everyone. Tmrw off to paint and she will have a lovely day with grandma.

ChasingDaisy Sat 11-May-13 18:59:19

Lily it sounds like O is settling in really well. You must be so pleased. How are you settling in?

Sorry to keep banging this drum, it must be getting very boring for you all, but I cannot stand the negative impact my in-laws have on my life. MIL was here today which caused P to snap at me twice. I have been running myself ragged to please him lately and make sure he never gets stressed. He got to have a lay in this morning and is having one tomorrow as well even though I am doing the night shift. I can't remember the last time I slept past 5am. It feels like I have to be exhausted and stressed in order for him not to be and this is the only way to stop arguments. It's fucked up. I think I need Luis to give him a few lessons in how to be a better partner.

GTbaby Sat 11-May-13 19:15:20

Chasing sucks how ppl impact your life. Not to same extent. But mil is stressful. But hugs.

We got our passport 4 days later! They must have received, processed and returned on same day. As I sent it Saturday n got it back on Tuesday!
But assume at least two weeks.

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 19:16:40

detective I would send the swaddle-giver a nice photo of O. With a little letter.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 19:19:39

Chasing thanks - nothing new to say and no nuggets of wisdom, I'm afraid.

F is curled up on me asleep, like a dinky newborn again. It's rather lovely actually.

YellowWellies Sat 11-May-13 19:21:01

Chasing I'm sure he knows how to be a good partner - but he thinks he can behave how he pleases and still get treated well. And he seems to be right love - the worse he acts, the more scared you are, the more you fall over yourself to make his life easier, hence you're in a negative reinforcement loop - he's being rewarded by you for treating you badly.

Sorry to be blunt but unless Luis is a miracle worker - I don't think its going to be easy to teach him how to respect and care for a partner. A few lessons aren't going to suddenly turn him into the sort of bloke who'll feel remorse about having both sleep ins or stand up for you against his family.

He's undermining your self esteem to make sure you don't dare leave - and also making sure you're too exhausted to see things clearly. I would also bet he'd like to get you pregnant again asap to further cement you to him. Sorry but you seem such a darling and its horrible to think of how you're being treated and your self esteem is only going to get worse xxx

VQ you've just got me drooling at Bridge of Allan properties. OMG what a gorgeous place. Wish we were loaded!

horseylady Sat 11-May-13 19:23:52

Bloody raspberries!!!

Always blowing raspberries. Eating, drinking, bath, bouncing, rolling.

I got covered in earlier.

Nightmare. He also won't eat off a spoon unless its yogurt. He grabs the food off it and eats it that way. I think well just do finger food from now on!!! Thing is I like to know he's eaten something!!

horseylady Sat 11-May-13 19:29:24

chasing cross post.

I agree with yw the mans an arse who beats his partner. He will not change. He's shown that.

You have two choices.

ChasingDaisy Sat 11-May-13 19:39:40

YW I know that everything you say is right. I hate what I've become and I'm acting this way because I dont want to give him any reason to get annoyed at me.

I'm sure I'll figure a way out. I find strength from O at the moment and seek solace in my dreams.

GT I lived with my MIL for 6 months and it very much contributed to my depression. You must have the patience of a saint.

pig I will always have at least of one of O's naps with him cuddled on me. I love it.

Passmethecrisps Sat 11-May-13 19:44:26

chasing YW has said it all really. You say MIL made him snap at you. Nope. He saw an opportunity to snap at you knowing you will not hold him responsible. I hate to think of you running yourself completely ragged scared to stop spinning plates. He is turning you into a shell. I think PR has put it best when she spoke about being able to breathe easily. It must feel like he is permanently standing on your chest.

How lovely of your DP's aunty det. I agree that a wee pic of O would be a lovely gift.

Sounds like you and O are settling well lilly. I think all that decorating will be very therapeutic.

P had her first proper food today! The power went out and DH was trying to heat enough water on the gas cooker for us to have a wash so I decided to melt a cube of sweet potato while we were waiting. P got VERY excited when she saw the bowl, grabbed it and tried to eat it by stuffing her face inside. She was very good at opening her mouth for the spoon but struggled to get the stuff off and keep it in her mouth. Her tongue is still firing stuff back out again. She seemed to enjoy it though and was leaning towards the spoon each time. She only had maybe a third of the cube before she got bored. Really pleased with the start though.

Lily311 Sat 11-May-13 19:50:13

chasing no advice here but truly hope you will be able to get out and become a free person. He is a dickhead.

StuntNun Sat 11-May-13 19:53:04

I agree with the collective wisdom of the quiche Chasing. Bad things and awkward situations have been happening for a while now but you'll notice no-one has said maybe you can work things out, or maybe he'll turn over a new leaf, or been able to excuse his behaviour. I realise MN has a tendency to say LTB for all relationship issues but I don't believe this is the case here. If he admitted he was abusing you and was willing to go to therapy then it might be worth another shot but I think you know that will never happen. I understand that at the moment it's easier for you to stay than to leave but it won't always be that way. Unfortunately the statistics show that he likely to physically abuse you again in the future. Even without that you are under substantial emotional abuse plus whatever is wrong with the rest of his family that they seem to be taking out on you. It's unlikely that he is the only abuser in the family, you may find one or both of his parents are abusive as well and as a result the whole family could have an odd dynamic that you are bearing the brunt of. I strongly suggest you have an escape plan in place. Make sure you have financial independence: no joint accounts, if you can get the bills in his name that would be helpful. Make sure you can leave any time. You may never need it but you may find that just knowing you have a plan will help you to cope. Lots of women have been and are still in your position, the MN thread for emotional abuse would be very supportive for you. Remember you have quiche support too, whether for handholding, somewhere to have a moan, advice or just a place to hang out with other stressed out parents! Whatever is happening in RL, we're behind you.

MsJupiterJones Sat 11-May-13 19:59:34

Well put Stunt.

We're all here for you Chasing. It's a difficult situation and you are doing a brilliant job with O.

Bryzoan Sat 11-May-13 20:00:21

Sorry to hear about the bladder problems clarella hope they resolve over time. If you are worried about tone and favouring one side maybe try and see a physio?

luis so sorry about your knees.

Kirrin - i put g in a sling and chase r round soft play. Does feel a little high risk at times mind!

chasing your mil does not sound nice, but your p is old enough to be held responsible for his own behaviour. I also hate thinking of you running yourself ragged trying to please him. And luis wouldn't be able to change him any more than you can.

I overestimated my hv which I would have thought impossible. I asked about dairy free weaning and she said 'just give him milk. He can't be that sensitive or you'd have had real problems by now'. I then described the problems and she said 'just give him soya then'. hmm

Bryzoan Sat 11-May-13 20:06:43

Cross post with stunt, who is bang on the money as usual. HHS chasing.

Bryzoan Sat 11-May-13 20:07:34

Hugs. Not some weird hiss. Stupid phone.

ChasingDaisy Sat 11-May-13 20:20:36

stunt your post made me cry. He went to anger management after he hurt me while I was pregnant. But the counsellor said it would be best to see both of us together - the impression being given that my depression was the cause hmm So it wasn't as effective as it could be. He knows the physical abuse is wrong but he would never acknowledge any emotional abuse. He would say that I am offering to do all housework etc but he won't realise that I have to do this to prevent further arguments.

I would put money on it happening again. And it gets worse every time. We have no joint finances but the only income I have is CB and Maternity Allowance. Tax credits are in my name if we succeed in our application.

I hated the evenings alone when he moved out but he is starting to work late shifts soon so I will get used to evenings alone. Maybe that will help me to get used to the idea.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 20:28:13

chasing I understand, especially in your case, that it is easy to blame the ILs. They are, evidently, twats. But if your DP was in any way decent he would treat you well in front of his toxic family. As it is, he uses the opportunity to treat you worse. Like a bully, he uses his family as a back up, cheering him on. MN can be very much leave the bastard, and it can be very overwhelming for some who come for advice. I rarely get involved in relationships threads here, but you're one of the quiche. Leave the fucking bastard.

I'd shout it, but it wouldn't help would it? Right now, and I don't mean to be condescending, or whatever, but I would guess you are in the stage where you are looking for reasons to stay. He's a great dad blah blah. Once he let you sleep on the sofa while he did the night shift. But anyone who plays the game of giving you reasons to stay is not helping you. No-one in this quiche wants you to be anything other than happy and SAFE.

We can't force you to leave, but I think I speak for everyone when I say that we are all cheering you on, willing to help in whatever virtual way we can. For now all I can say is flowers and I will repeat: remember what it's like to breathe?

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 20:36:55

Cross posts. They have to acknowledge physical abuse. Emotional abuse is far easier to lie and twist emotional abuse. There's stuff that I can say to explain, but not on this thread. Happy to explain by PM or, one day, if you feel up to a PR rant I can call you. If it helps.

StuntNun Sat 11-May-13 20:48:02

Unfortunately with EA some abusers can twist therapy to their own advantage: they learn the lingo and then they turn it on you. Obviously I don't know your P Chasing but my interpretation of what's going on with him is an utter disinterest in your happiness and wellbeing. He will behave as long as you make sure all his needs and desires are met. Because you love him you want him to be happy and you're willing to do a lot to make his life easier. That is a normal, loving thing to do. Unfortunately the problems arise because it is not reciprocated. When my DH was in the last stage of writing up his PhD thesis I did everything around the house for a month. It was awfully hard work but I did it to give him a break and on the understanding that it was temporary. Now I am revising for my exams next month, DH is spending a lot of time looking after the kids so that I can study. Make no mistake our relationship is on very rocky times at the moment, but what I'm trying to show is that there should be give and take in a relationship. In your case it is you doing all the giving and him doing all the taking, it is not a partnership. I suspect he doesn't recognise that he is abusing you because he isn't actually interested in what you are going through. All he wants is to have his own requirements met.

I'm so sorry that you are going through this, especially while battling depression and raising a newborn. It's hard to accept that you made a mistake and this relationship is at a dead end. You don't have to do anything right away but I sincerely believe there will come a point where you will have to leave him.

Don't forget we know you. You are kind, caring and thoughtful. Even though you have been having some tough times lately you have been incredibly supportive of others on the quiche. We love hearing about O and seeing the photos on FB. Here at least you are welcome to be yourself, good times and bad times. Don't worry about things for now, just keep taking one day at a time until you feel ready to take the next step.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 20:55:34

Oops misworded above, but what I meant to say was it is very easy, if you're that way out to twist EA to your favour, if you are an emotional abuser.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 21:03:31

Sorry to change the subject.
But fucking reflux can just fuck the fuck off.

Chasing how did the haircut go? You know if you ever want to go anywhere more exciting that Bognor Regis for a break, you'd be welcome in the South West.

kirrinIsland Sat 11-May-13 21:06:14

chasing I can't add to what everyone has already said, except that my DP works 6 eves out of 7 and you do get used to it - in fact I mostly like it smile Having an escape plan is a great idea - it will give you confidence.

bryzoan N hates the slingsad I'm gutted as I used one all the time with DD1 - she didn't go in a pram at all til she was 5 months.

ChasingDaisy Sat 11-May-13 21:07:48

Your interpretation is right stunt He doesn't give a flying fig about my feelings. He never asks how I am. The thing is, don't even love him. And I'm damn sure he doesn't love me. The only thing I like about him is that he loves O almost as much as I do and understands just how awesome he is. Nobody else knows O like we do.

You are right that at some point I will have to leave him and in my head that will be the next time he hurts me. Surely the sane thing to do is to leave before he does something else.

PR I understand that you have been in similar situations. I also understand that you probably won't like talking about it so please don't feel that you have to.

This quiche gives me so much strength. I am craving a warm, loving hug but I get that virtually from you all. And at 5am when O comes into bed with me. I will stop clogging up the thread now as I fel terribly me me me blush. But please know how much your support means to me. I don't know what state I would be in without you all thanks

ChasingDaisy Sat 11-May-13 21:10:16

pig haircut was ace thanks smile Roots are done, colour is refreshed and straggly ends trimmed. A head and neck massage and unlimited supply of hot chocolate helped greatly. I love my salon. Isn't cheap but is my treat to myself.

ChasingDaisy Sat 11-May-13 21:15:36

Oh pass that is an excellent start to weaning! Well done P! O is trying banana tomorrow. Will have to hide my disgust at the revolting stuff envy

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 11-May-13 21:28:08

chasing I have nothing to add to what has been said above, apart from the fact that you are clearly stronger than you think you are and that being alone is better than being with an abusive twunt. But you'll get there in your own time. Don't worry about clogging the thread. We are here for you.

Lovely day with my monsters and they've both gone to bed early. I have been sorting through our photos for some new frames etc and making sure that all the kids' pics are on 2 external hard drives as I am paranoid about losing them. My house is an explosion of photos of my kids. You're literally never more than a foot away from a picture of one of them!

Wishing sleep filled nights for everyone!

Passmethecrisps Sat 11-May-13 21:28:09

chasing your salon sounds ace. I am not a fan of hairdressers (as can be seen by the state of my barnet) but that does sound good.

P has had a tiny sliver of banana but she didn't get what she was supposed to do with it. I think she is comfier with cutlery!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 11-May-13 21:30:00

Kirrin I am like that too - DH works several evenings a week and I like having the tv to myself the space. When he is at home I often find myself wanting to know why he's in my face all the time!

ChasingDaisy Sat 11-May-13 21:32:06

Clearly a refined lady already pass smile. Soon she will be wanting her milk from a china cup and saucer.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 21:35:21

chasing you are not clogging up the thread. And au contraire, I love telling people how I was manipulated. If it helps one person get out, (and it has done) then it was worth it. But it is easy to say that when it is firmly in the past smile

Right. DH cooked me steak, sauteed potatoes in shallot sauce this evening. Normally that would guarantee him a shag but I think he fell asleep. So I have the choice of Life of Pi and the latest Greys for entertainment...

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 21:41:04

Fell asleep putting DD1 to bed that is.

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 21:42:45

Chasing please hog the thread! Otherwise your fellow sofa-dweller will have nothing to read grin

F is still not asleep. She veers between hysterical screams and smiles. I'm not sure what to do with her to be honest. She's sat in a vest on my lap watching me type at the mo. So much for an early night!

YellowWellies Sat 11-May-13 21:44:56

Roasted some chicken thighs and legs - have blitzed them. Woohoo next week the bear tries protein!

Anyone else finding their little darlings are harder to settle at bedtime? I think he might need to go from 3 naps to 2 or else he maybe needs a day off solids as whilst he's sleeping so well at night - getting him off to sleep is taking 1.5 hours. I shouldn't complain as he is giving us big stretches of sleep / almost sleeping through but I'd got used to boobing him unconscious in 40 minutes....

TheDicktective Sat 11-May-13 21:49:15

Yes YW this is the battle we are having. I ended up in the cot tonight hmm in desperation!

TheDicktective Sat 11-May-13 21:50:13

He has 2 fucking swaddles on.

And yes. He escaped. hmm

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 21:52:30

Got something on the mind, det?

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 11-May-13 21:52:42

YW I roasted a chicken today as well, and have blitzed some of the nice bits for the freezer. It looks bloody revolting but DD absolutely loved the "chicken bits in chicken juice" as we called it, so am looking forward to DS trying it next week too.

PR my DH does that all the time. Depending on whether he's pissed me off that day depends on whether and when I go and wake him.

BP that sounds crap. No idea what to suggest.

DS managed under 2 hours of napping today.

Moving into final 24 hours of freedom. Celebrating with a trip to the zoo to see a new baby orang-utan and dinner with the inlaws. Still hoping for some kind of lottery win / other form of miraculous intervention.

TheDicktective Sat 11-May-13 21:53:23



Evilwater Sat 11-May-13 21:59:46

chasing- I can second is a escape route. Please, please have one ready. Make sure you can grab the essentials at a moments notice, and gather as much money as you can. The women of my family always have a secert bank account, espally for this.

detective- is the swaddling essential that he goes to sleep?

If baby evil has all his food out of packets (Ella's kitchen and hipp ones), does that make him a nestle baby?

There was so much more I was going to write, but I'm shattered.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 22:00:51

He's not pissed me off, but I'm not going to wake him. Too full from all the steak grin

TheDicktective Sat 11-May-13 22:02:42

Yes Evil. The only other way for him to sleep is in the pushchair or car seat, so he is strapped in, and cocooned. He needs a frickin' womb to sleep in. hmm

PetiteRaleuse Sat 11-May-13 22:04:00

evil ella's kitchen and hipp are ok. They're not nestle grin

My baby only likes nestle. We don't get ella here and hipp we can get but in Germany so havn't tried them yet. Nestle is a problem for me as I have always boycotted them for baby stuff due to the formula milk scandals. But hey, happy baby, happy mummy right?

Evilwater Sat 11-May-13 22:05:52

Det- I'm sorry to read that. Im very useless tonight, as I have no fecking idea what to do.

Nite all. Off for a meal tomorrow, hitch can only end in disaster. Will write about it later.


Evilwater Sat 11-May-13 22:07:38

Just a quick one for PR baby evil loves hipp and Ella's. might be worth getting them?

( now truly gone)

TheDicktective Sat 11-May-13 22:10:55

PR I think you should boycott Nestle on account of my dad working for them.... grrrr. And his wife too.

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 22:18:37

pr I would not let any of my babies eat anything Nestle-ish. I feel very strongly about the quality of first foods and feel the ready made ones are full of gloop. I enjoy cooking for baby, but that is just me. Thankfully DH agrees. DD1 puked up her one and only jar of baby food (we were moving house) and DD2 never had any. Some of the pouches, Ella's Kitchen etc look ok, but cost is another thing that puts me off.

pass great news on the first taste.

bp has LO started feeding a bit better then?

ValiumQueen Sat 11-May-13 22:20:37

dictective he needs to come out of swaddle some time - would now be a good time as he is not sleeping anyway?

BigPigLittlePig Sat 11-May-13 22:22:34

VQ she has had a couple of v quick feeds. She is still WIDE AWAKE. And grizzly. I am on my knees. So is dh. Out of bright ideas, soooo if anyone has any!? <begs>

TheDicktective Sat 11-May-13 22:25:08

It's the swaddle that means he isn't sleeping VQ. He is breaking out of it then going mental and waking up.

Once I've got him down, he will generally stay asleep unless he breaks out the damn thing. Which he does. Because the velcro is fucked.

I've tried him without. He is up all night. Literally, will not sleep unless in car seat or pram and properly cocooned in so he feels held.

TheDicktective Sat 11-May-13 22:27:01

The swaddle I had ordered on Amazon has the option to release one arm at a time. So when he is ready, I'll try it. But he most definitely isn't ready yet sad