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December 2012: Sunshine, saliva & sleeping more...we hope!

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WeeJo08 Mon 06-May-13 20:25:32

New thread ladies grin

IsThatTrue Mon 06-May-13 20:31:32

I shall repeat my self and say thanks for the new thread weejo

I'm pretty lax with sun cream tbh but ds2 is always in the shade and big dcs are never out in full sun for more than half an hour as they melt like me. They didn't have any on today I really must do better, although none of them are even slightly pink so not too bad.

DH got DS to sleep! first time ever! smile I was helping dd with her homework that XH decided didn't need doing at the weekend even though its due in tomo and it was 7.15 so ds2 was tired and shouty. So DH took him and walked round singing. He was asleep by 7.45 he obviously woke at 8.15 as he hasn't eaten for 4 hrs, but he hasn't yet opened his eyes, he's just feeding, so will go straight back down.

Checking in despite only lurking recently bad mumsnetter

2blessed Mon 06-May-13 20:41:51

Thanks weejo.

Gonna repeat myself too, got a nasty cold sad so stuck indoors.

Stacks Mon 06-May-13 20:59:14

Marking place. I got outside in the sun today and did a bit of gardening with DS watching from his bouncy chair in the shade smile was lovely to get outside.

Grats on DH settling DS, will it be his job more often now isthat?

2blessed hope you feel better soon. Sounds like you're being looked after though smile

What is everyone putting babies to sleep in as the weather gets warmer? During winter when his room was between 15-19 degrees over night D was in a long sleeved vest, sleepsuit and 2 tog sleeping bag and had a sheepskin under his sheets. As its got warmer he's still in the same sleeping bag and has just change to sleepsuit and short sleeved vest. However tonight his room is registering at 23 degrees already so come full summer I don't know how warm it'll get. We're getting a 1 tog sleeping bag and will prob put him down in just that and a vest. Does that seem ok (as long as his room stays below 25 degrees or so)

Barbeasty Mon 06-May-13 21:09:28

Thanks for the thread.

Spotty I'm firmly in your gang. I don't even manage to keep note of how often/ when A wakes up.

He's got a really horrible cough. And a slight wheeze. I hope it clears up quickly, but at least I have a Dr appointment booked for Thursday (to review the domperidone) just in case.

We had a lovely day. A trip to Slimbridge this morning and then finishing off the open gardens in the villages up here.

Managed to feed A in the sling too. It would have been discreet (nothing could be seen) if there hadn't been such a lot of guzzling and slurping sounds coming from in there.

I had factor 30 on. Both DC just had sun hats. A was completely covered, but DH let DD change out of her trousers and into shorts. After leaving home, without any suncream.

ISpyPlumPie Mon 06-May-13 21:22:21

Thanks for the thread, Weejo.

2blessed - hope you're feeling better soon. Also hope A's ok Barbeasty.

Welcome back Belle. Lovely to hear how well A is doing.

SkiBunnnnny Mon 06-May-13 21:22:33

Thanks for the new thread weejo.

Sorry A is unwell barbeasty sad but good that you had a nice day in the sun.

Gave a bottle of formula before bed last night as the last thing I needed was for him to keep waking up hungry and have his routine disrupted again. He definitely wanted it. Only had bf today and its obvious that he's getting frustrated that he's getting less and slower than before but I'm just trying to offer feeds as often as possible so hopefully he's getting enough. It's hard not to worry though and especially now the weather is warm I don't want him getting dehydrated.

IsThatTrue Mon 06-May-13 21:23:23

stacks mmm I wish. Tomo he goes on a training course to return 8pm weds, work at a further away office thurs returning 7.30pm and then fri flies to India for 2 weeks. He owes me when he gets home!

FriendofDorothy Mon 06-May-13 21:25:11

It's been gorgeously sunny here too. I am paranoid about The Little Mister getting sunburnt. I am obsessed with hats and suncream already!

As for sleeping, I am currently putting him down in short sleeved vest. long sleeved babygro and a 2.5 tog sleeping bag. The monitor says it is 20 degrees in our room at the moment.

FriendofDorothy Mon 06-May-13 21:28:23

Here's some advice... http://gro.co.uk/pages/what-to-wear

PurplePidjin Mon 06-May-13 21:31:59

R hasn't worn sunscreen yet - pic on fb wink

PurplePidjin Mon 06-May-13 21:36:15

So far he's been in 2.5tog bag, long sleeved tee and wool longies. Tonight is just the tee and longies with a single layer of fleece blanket. Also going to attempt dream feed at 10 (1 1/2 hours after going down) to try and get a longer night stretch for me <eep>

Greedy boy today had porridge for breakfast, sweet potato, parsnip, rice, cauliflower and banana for lunch and rusk, banana and apple for tea! (1/2 banana in total) Don't know where he puts it, he still has milk on top of all that! And water!

Ds didn't have cream on I just kept him in the shade.

Our room is 26 sad he's in a short sleeved vest and 1 tog long sleeved sleeping bag.

Ski it's easier to drink from a bottle. Go by wet and dirty nappies hopefully your supply will be normal in no time smile

Our room is 23 deg, J is seriously overheating so he's in a vest, short sleeve romper and a cellular blanket for now. If he wakes I'll pop Jon in his bag. Only got 2.5 togs though must get some lighter ones.

Poor you 2blessed hope you feel better soon. I can't drink ginger tea anymore, it will forever remind me of morning sickness!

Welcome back Bellaboo, now the hormones have eased off I'm no longer feeling broody. If I hadn't been going back to work I think I'd be considering another already though.

J's in bed scaring the life out of me. He rolled for the first time this morning, back to front and now he's practicing it in his sleep!

Jon = him confused

MaMaPo Mon 06-May-13 22:11:39

Ooh new thread! (Wrote the following at 9pm but forgot to post it. Oops.

Standing at the bus stop waiting to go home after a sneaky late night trip to primark to get some basics before my trip. I texted my husband with delight earlier just to say that I was sat in the top deck of the bus!! He said 'wow, it's like you're a normal person or something.'

We both took C swimming this afternoon - my husband's first time seeing her in the water. She was v content despite being tired.

Haven't even left yet and I already miss my husband. What kind of sap am I?

SkiBunnnnny Mon 06-May-13 22:30:21

Thanks spotty, I'm just keeping on and hoping for the best!

SkiBunnnnny Mon 06-May-13 22:32:54

Sorry you're not well 2blessed.

That's sweet MaMa, I would miss my DH too. Are you flying with LO on you're own shock?

halestone Mon 06-May-13 22:55:03

Thank you Weejo.

2blessed, hope your feeling better.

We have also been out in the sun today. Well i have H has been sat in the shade with factor 50 on. Every time we went for a nose around the garden she also had her sun hat on. This weather makes me feel so much more positive and makes me eager to get out and about grin

2blessed Mon 06-May-13 23:13:39

Thanks all, feeling much better tonight which is good as we have a busy week ahead.

We've got a really warm flat. Currently 24 degrees with windows in both bedrooms open. Ds sleeping in vest and bundler with cotton cellular blanket on standby for when the temp drops.

PoSome days I really think I want another one as loved pregnancy and so far ds is a really chilled baby but then I snap out of it. I hate my job so need to re-establish some sort of career which will probably mean going back to some sort of study which will cost money.

WeeJo08 Mon 06-May-13 23:14:42

Totally agree with everyone about the weather - a wee bit of sun just makes such a difference to my mood!

Hope the flight goes well, Mamapo. I flew back from the US with C on my own, but it was a night flight so after two hours the cabin lights were dimmed, then I fed her & put her in her gro bag, so she thought it was sleepy time & went fast asleep in the bassinet for the rest of the flight! grin I think in the future if I have to do long haul I will book an overnight flight on purpose! grin My hubby's brother & his wife are in Sydney so I think we'll have to do that flight soon (well, I hope so!) - looking forward to hearing your experience! On the way over to the US, DD didn't really sleep bit as long as we kept standing up/walking around & she could nosy at everyone she was happy! Have a brill time xx

2blessed Mon 06-May-13 23:21:35

You're not a sap at all mama. How long will you be in oz for?

Hoping to take ds swimming for first time on wednesday if I can shake this cold. I'm not a fan of swimming but don't want ds to have my swimming pool issues. Basically the water/chlorine plays havoc with my hair (afro hair) so would always avoid swimming like the plague growing up.

Rolling baby ready to play at 5am. Not fun and not happening!

Dp won't pull a sicky and come to the beach angry humph so selfish.

(He's never pulled a sicky but I think this will make it less suspicious! wink In fact he's never had a day off sick in the whole time we've been together hmm)

Barbeasty Tue 07-May-13 07:29:35

I see your 5am attempt and raise you with a well and truely up baby and DD at 5.32.

I'm exhausted already! With wakings more frequently than every hour through the night...... Thank goodness I'm dropping DD with MIL for the day.

Looks like being another lovely day here. Thank goodness.

Last sunny day, going to rain after today sad ds was up 9:30,12:30,3 and up for the day when dd came in at 5:50. Not too bad but I really need more than two and a half hours sleep in a row it's been going on too long now!

halestone Tue 07-May-13 08:40:20

Oh spotty think we'll make the most of the sunshine today thengrin think i'll put H in her swimming costume and use the baby bath as a paddling pool grin

utopian99 Tue 07-May-13 09:00:05

Sunny here too, confusing me with what to dress ds in. Our room gets really warm (22-24 degrees) by O's bedtime, so he's currently sleeping in short sleeved vest and 1 tog bag.

He woke up really unhappy this morning and has been that way ever since. Can calm him with boob, a bit, but not sure. Changed him into a babygro in case it was a bit chilly so early in the morning, and he's now fast asleep hanging onto my boob. Poor baby. sad

No sign of teeth but he's been a lot more unsettled recently; bank holiday disrupting things or something else?

ISpyPlumPie Tue 07-May-13 09:02:12

Got the hv coming round any time between 10 and 12 this morning - hoping it's nearer to 10 as want to get out and enjoy the sunshine.

ISpyPlumPie Tue 07-May-13 09:06:15

Sorry, Utopian x-posts. Difficult to know really. Could well be teeth, think they start to bother them quite a while before there are any visible signs in their mouths. Having said that, the change in temperature is bound to be unsettling - let's face it, none of the UK-based babies have really experienced anything approaching decent weather before!

Hope he's more settled soon.

There is never a day that does by when ds doesn't have at least one proper screaming/crying episode. It's ridiculous.

Who's trying our the pampers? I've just got a pack through the post and can only imagine that's why, but I've not had an email or inbox with any information on it. Did you get one?

Haha! Yes we are and I got an email. There's a thread about it somewhere... Possibly in product reviews or something?

I found the thread, I'll message someone at hq and ask for email. Unless it just tells you to post somewhere else?

What date was the email sent spotty?

I can't remember it was ages ago they took a few weeks to send them out. I think they will have a review thread and want us to post on the review section

halestone Tue 07-May-13 14:18:17

Well the baby bath outside with water in was a huge success H loved it gringrin, i never want this weather to end grin

Secondsop Tue 07-May-13 14:53:56

Hello all. weejo thanks for the thread.

mamapo is this trip moving back to Aus or visiting? I'm sure C will be fine with the jet lag; Z adjusted within a few days. He did sort of help himself though by sleeping on the way there and being more
awake on the way back, which helped.

halestone bath outdoors is a great idea - I'll try that myself. Our bath is an over the bathtub one but does still stand up by itself I think. Next year I think we'll get a paddling pool!

Z is napping next to me on the sofa and I was drinking a glass of water and he suddenly jerked his arm up and spilt it all over me and not at all on him.

utopian99 Tue 07-May-13 15:06:10

hales bath outside is a great idea!

O has been feeding/sleeping all morning. Had a cool bath and nappy off time and now seems happier, so going outside plastered in factor 50 (in the shade.) I think some of the upset is slightly due to pinky arms from yesterday, even though I had factor 30 on him and in the shade.. (No factor 50 in my bag yesterday. BAD mummy.)

Aww he must have sensitive skin utopian sad ds doesn't seem to be bothered by the heat he's no more grumpy than usual wink

I put cream on him today as only have patchy shade and he thought it was hilarious!

Secondsop Tue 07-May-13 17:11:33

The first time we put sunscreen on Z was in Australia and it was that neutrogena spray which is cold when you apply it. His little face when we first sprayed his leg with it was hilarious!

MaMaPo Tue 07-May-13 18:34:46

Seconds, this is just a visit back on my own with her, 3 weeks in all. Excited and filled with trepidation! Doesn't help that my normally sunny baby was replaced by a squealy grizzle-monster today.

C played on her tummy in the park today. Would not surprise me if she ate some grass.

halestone Tue 07-May-13 18:35:54

I just made the water slightly warm so it didn't shock her and put her toys in it. I think she was more shocked to have a hat on while she was in the bath haha. And then when she found she could reach the flowers whilst in the bath she pulled at them haha. I was going to get a paddling pool but thought the bath would have the same effect.

itsMYNutella Tue 07-May-13 21:23:33

Thanks for the new thread weejo. Just quickly checking in.
halestone love the outside bath idea.

After some glorious weather the last few days... today has been really crap sad just sort of grey and soggy. We have another bank holiday on Thursday (they stick to specific dates for the bank holidays, I really miss long BH weekends...) but at the moment we have nothing planned.... Everything will be shut so unless there is a special event on it could be pretty pants if the weather isn't up to much hmm

WLmum Tue 07-May-13 22:03:09

nutella did I imagine it or are you in Germany? If so, new study says its a better place to be a mother than the uk!

First wake up shockshockshock that's almost five hours!

IsThatTrue Wed 08-May-13 03:07:23

shock spotty!

Well we're on our second wake up since 8.30 when he eventually went down. 3hrs then 4hrs sleep. Not too bad. But he's fidgetting now. hmm

Yep he then woke at 2:40 now 5:50 so he practically did 5,3&3. I'm sure it won't last but it was lovely!

Well he went back to sleep and is still asleep now.... Shame I had to get up!

Dp and I are going shopping on Saturday does anyone know what's better: bluewater or lakeside?

Stacks Wed 08-May-13 07:42:24

We had a bad night, woke me every hour again, this time without his usual long first sleep. Asleep by 8, then 9:30, 10:30, 11:30, 12:15... Up for the day at 6:15 but back in bed now for his morning nap. DH got up with him earlier, so I'm still in bed. Wonder if I can nap..

We have HV today for his 16 week checkup and to talk about sleep problems. Not sure it's really going to be helpful, I predict the suggestion of putting him in his own room plus controlled crying. I've been wondering about completely changing our room around to fit the cot in. It'd be a fair big of hassle, but I think it'd fit.

Morning all <skips around like Julie Andrews>

Close your ears if you had a bad night, J slept 9-7! And he's just fallen asleep again now. He slept on his side/tummy last night, after flipping him back a couple of times I left him and he was fine. Please let this be the start of him eating normally and sleeping through now.

itsMYNutella Wed 08-May-13 09:00:40

WL yes I am in Germany. smile

Willyou I think I'm happy for you.... wink DS often does a long 5 or 6 hour stretch but after that it can be 1.5,2, or 3 hour sleeps... Wish there was a bit more predictability!

Even more oddly, he was usually up at 8am and the last two days has slept until almost 9! Would much rather he had a longer unbroken sleep and got up earlier - I'm happy to compromise. I'd love a long night of sleep...

halestone Wed 08-May-13 12:54:20

We've had a morning of running around. We sent H's poo sample off on the 24th of april still not heard anything so i rang the Surgery they told me the sample had been rejected. angry That no-one got in touch sooner. Apparently the poo has to be frozen in the lab within 2 hours of being done.

So this morning we had to collect a sample bottle from the surgery, wait for poo and drive straight to the lab in Wigan. Luckily H poos alot so we didn't have to wait long.blush

Well done on your good sleep willyou.

Stacks i hope your HV comes out with an idea that helps.

SkiBunnnnny Wed 08-May-13 14:39:28

That's fantastic WillYou! And sounds like things are getting better for you too Spotty grin.

I'm pretty sure the infection came back sad my stomach feels like it did before I went into hospital. Going to try and get a doctors appointment to get back on antibiotics, hopefully they can give me ones that are safe for bf. I know it's my own fault for not finishing the antibiotics but I never would have done it if the doctor hadn't okayed it. And I'm still angry that they gave me unsafe ones in the first place, so that I had a reason for wanting to finish them early.

Ski why don't you do a little search on antibiotics safe in bf so if they try to fob you off you have some evidence to back you up? Although hopefully your GP will be helpful though. Hmm I'm not convinced the sleep will last tbh!

SkiBunnnnny Wed 08-May-13 15:29:36

Yes, I have done some reading on antibiotics and breastfeeding and all the articles I've read say that most antibiotics are safe. That's what makes me so annoyed that they still gave me unsafe ones. Also, the casual way the doctor said "you'll just have to keep pumping and dumping while you're on them" as though she clearly had no idea what a difficult and time consuming thing that was to do while you're looking after a baby and trying to recover from surgery. I just wish I had known more about it and challenged her at the time. I just assumed she would have known what she was talking about.
Oops rant over!

SkiBunnnnny Wed 08-May-13 15:30:48

Positive thoughts Spotty!

I'm not surprised you're angry ski I'd probably complain blush

Oh I'm afraid I'm a pessimist. Always plan to fail and you're never be disappointed. Double blushblush grin

Barbeasty Wed 08-May-13 16:19:11

Good luck Ski & Stacks.

I'm about half way through changing my room around to stick the cot in there for a bit. I have been about half way through for 2 weeks now!

But I do have 2 feeds in the freezer for when I go back to work. Just an awful lot to go....! And 4 weeks today that A will start nursery properly. Eek!

IsThatTrue Wed 08-May-13 19:40:42

Oh barbeasty I'm sure A will love nursery.

DS has been lovely today. I've got a lot of work done and he's napped and fed nicely. He decided he was tired at 6.15 though and was asleep by 6.30 shock Although I think he sensed DH coming home because he woke just after 7, he's knackered but had a little play and cuddle with daddy. He's now feeding to sleep again.

I knew he wouldn't sleep well again. 2.5 hours sad going to be a great night....

FriendofDorothy Wed 08-May-13 21:32:48

The Little Mister is currently refusing to go to bed at all!

Oh no FoD! I find feeding lying down usually gets ds to sleep when all else fails? (Sorry if that's what you're already doing!)

halestone Wed 08-May-13 21:38:00

H is hardly ever down before 11pm for bedtime although last night it was 10:30pm. She seems to be bringing her own bedtime forward slowly but surely.

WLmum Wed 08-May-13 21:45:41

hales how frustrating - we had a similar thing with dd2s urine sample last week. Why don't they tell us?

ski I'm afraid I never just trust what the dr says! Too often you are just another in a long line and they don't consider you as a person. Unfortunately I have spent quite a bit of time in hospitals with my mum and I can really see how people don't get what they need unless they have someone to fight their corner.

Ds always goes down at 7 without a problem (now he's on his tummy!). Just wish he'd stay that way.....

WLmum Wed 08-May-13 21:50:45

Me too spotty.

Lately I've been having a resurgence of that amazing love for T, despite disturbed nights. I suppose it might be because I know she's my last and her babyhood is passing so fast. Or maybe its because she can't talk and the other 2 just don't stop!!

WLmum Wed 08-May-13 21:52:23

T goes down between 8 and 8.30 but that's more because it fits in with me getting other 2 to bed first than because it suits her! Bless her she seems to cope very well with just having to slot in.

halestone Wed 08-May-13 21:58:33

I was only angry because until we've got the results i've been advised no dairy products. And i think she'd love the likes of cauliflower cheese, but that contains cream and milk and cheese so i can't make it at the moment.

Spotty and WL well everyone really, when your LO's go to sleep can you go and sit downstairs? As H seems to sense i'm not there after half an hour and wakes up crying. So now i've resorted to staying upstairs in bed when shes gone to sleep. Has anyone got any suggestions as to how i might be able to leave her?

IsThatTrue Wed 08-May-13 22:12:12

Another bed refuser here, he hasn't been back down since he got up at 7.15 he's still pretty happy and gets sleepy on the boob but I don't think they're full enough to send him off properly iykwim as he's fed all evening and they're used to an evening break these days!

FriendofDorothy Wed 08-May-13 22:37:25

I have had a fairly shitty day. Managed to crunch the car against a granite wall and now have a bad dose of granite rash down the side of it. Reckon it is over a grands worth of damage sad

WLmum Wed 08-May-13 22:39:43

hales I always leave her asleep in our room and go down to eat or do chores etc. that must be exhausting if you never get an evening to yourself! What happens if you resettle her and leave again? You could try leaving some white noise or gentle classical music on quietly in the room. Dd1 was never a good sleeper and had quiet classical music on over night from the age of about 2. Without the music she would wake several times in the night having been disturbed by tiny noises from outside or the house creaking. The music worked really well and she really enjoyed it - so much so that when she went to pre-school they asked if she liked Justin beiber and she said 'no I like Mozart'! Geekdom didn't last and her favourite song now is gangnam style!

WLmum Wed 08-May-13 22:42:40

Ouch fod. In our old car I scraped both rear door handles and reversed into a post! In my defence, all 3 times were during very upsetting times. We just lived with it and then took the hit when we sold it.

WLmum Wed 08-May-13 22:43:21

Ooh DH is home!

halestone Wed 08-May-13 23:35:48

Thats a good idea WL thank you. She sleeps great when i'm in the room just not for long when i'm out the room and then she takes ages to resettle. I know it sounds stupid but i feel like she won't resettle as she doesn't trust me not to leave again.

halestone Wed 08-May-13 23:36:37

Oh and FoD sorry about your crash, i hope your ok. Its an awful feeling thanks

Another two bloody hours angry ffs it's ridiculous.

Hales I always go downstairs and leave ds. I tend to come back up pretty soon though otherwise I wouldn't end up getting any sleep.... I think they advise six months for any dairy and meat anyway? Just fruit and veg until then?

Sorry about your car FoD sad ours is always scratched because we live down narrow lanes and if you meet someone it's a choice of hitting them or scraping the hedge/wall hmm

SkiBunnnnny Wed 08-May-13 23:58:02

sad about you're car FoD.

Hales, we live in v small 1bedroom place so I leave him in the bedroom but the living room is just next door.

So the doctor said its probably not an infection as 7 days of antibiotics is plenty and I don't have a fever. I suppose it's good news but its annoying now not knowing how long I'll be in pain for.

Oh no ski sad maybe you need to rest some more? (Easier said than done!).

Ds up again, third time, I've just settled him on my chest so he obviously isn't waking because he's hungry....how do you get round that one??

Well that didn't work. He woke up as soon as I put him down. I'm so angry I just want to throw him out the window

halestone Thu 09-May-13 01:57:35

Well i didn't know that Spotty, i've only been avoiding it because the HV said don't give it till i have the lactose results. So i thought you could include it in their diet as soon as you started weaning. Thanks for letting me know grin

Ski hope your belly feels better soon

I'm not 100% sure it's true hales that's just what I thought grin

Oh Spotty, it sounds so hard. I hope it all clicks for hom doon.

It is true Spotty and Hales my HV said just veg/fruit/bsby rice til 6 months.

Does she fall asleep before you put her down Hales? Could you start to put her down awake so that she's not looking for you when she wakes? I did read an article about it will try to find link.

Poor you FoD is there any way you can just leave it until you're back at work and have a little more money?

Ouch Ski like spotty says you pupbsbly need to take it a bit easier, but it's never that simple.

Another good night here - 9-6:30 (sorry). I've woken up today extraordinarily broody! It's DP's fault, he's of the opinion that we should just do it and it'll be fine grin Two in 13 months would actually kill me off I think. But.....

Stacks Thu 09-May-13 08:28:44

Another bad night, but every 2 hours instead of 1 so slightly better. HV predictably didn't have much useful to say, but interestingly didn't just tell me to dump him in his own bed. She's suggested taking his pram upstairs, as he sleeps ok in it during the day, and using it over night in our room. Then once he's used to that (and not being in our bed) make the next step. She also said putting them down asleep is very unsettling for them - like if you or I went to sleep in our bedroom and woke up in the kitchen. They don't understand what happened and how mummy suddenly disappeared.

Sigh, he's shouting at me. Will check in again during his morning nap.

WLmum Thu 09-May-13 09:25:08

Naughty baby spotty! Poor you, that's so tough. If you're really finding it too much (totally understandable) you might want to give yourself a deadline for improve or change. Have you read the no cry sleep solution? I read it for dd2 but didn't have the patience! With dd1 I did full on controlled crying at 6 months - it worked but I wouldn't do it again - it was harsh but I was absolutely desperate (she was waking up about 20 times a night - I kid you not). With dd2 who was not that bad but still wanting 30 mins of boob to resettle 3x a night a 8 months I did a more gentle approach of picking her up and cuddling but refusing to feed - after the initial fury, she slept through after a day or 2. If necessary that's where I'll start with dd3 - just as I was at the end of my tether a couple of weeks ago she got better. She's up a lot at night at the moment because she's got a cold, so we'll see what happens when she's better. Challenging the nights was dreadful at the time but immense afterwards!

What if he is actually hungry though? I can't deny him food sad

WLmum Thu 09-May-13 09:44:09

I know! With dd1 she was waking for her dummy so no food worries, and dd2 was 8 months and weaning well - I offered her milk in a cup and bottle initially at night but she was not interested at all and as she had a cup of water in the day, I knew she could so again, felt comfortable that it wasn't about food. It's really really tough and I only did it when I was really at the end of my tether and it became a bit if a me or her situation.

Only you will know what is right for you and ds - I feel for you as I know what a tough situation it is.

Ok that makes sense. I have kind of got a plan: once he's fully weaned if he's no better at sleeping introduce ff either at 7pm or 10pm and see how that works. If still no luck then do like you did and offer a bottle/cup/get dp to try and settle him. Hmm it's a difficult one!

WLmum Thu 09-May-13 10:07:28

Yep, maternal guilt versus maternal survival!
Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting that should do anything just that you might find it helpful to have a plan - which you have already!

halestone Thu 09-May-13 10:20:44

Spotty, i'm sorry i missed that post where your DS woke up when you put him down. I'm glad you've got a plan also i've found that when i was having a bad time with H and was just at the end of my tether she always had a better night. So FX that happens for you today/tonight.

halestone Thu 09-May-13 10:25:00

Willyou i've started taking her to bed when she gets tired we lie in my bed till she falls asleep and then i transfer her into her cot. So it might be what shes doing getting upset because i'm not next to her. I think i'm going to wait until she brings her bedtime till 9pm and then start getting her to sleep in her cot. Thank you.

Stacks, i'm glad you got some advice off your HV. Some of it made sense to my situation where H was falling asleep in one place but waking in another. Hopefully it helps you i've got my FX for you. I know how happy i was when H finally started sleeping more than 2 hours. grin

FriendofDorothy Thu 09-May-13 11:13:26

Can't really leave the car repairs. Everything goes rusty over here fast due to the sea air.

Another bank holiday for us today grin

IsThatTrue Thu 09-May-13 11:58:41

stacks I settle DS to sleep with boob, pull him up so his heads on my shoulder for winding, then after a few minutes I kiss his cheek and dump him in the cot (not very gently tbh) he normally stirs a little so isn't going down completely asleep. I then normally make me way rather noisily out if the room.

WLmum Thu 09-May-13 12:15:05

I always find a plan makes me feel a million times better about any situation that isn't what I want it to be, even if I don't ever execute that plan. I guess it's about the ability to take control!

PurplePidjin Thu 09-May-13 12:28:51

R is 24 1/2 weeks and eats: parsnip, sweet potato, butternut squash, cauliflower, apple, banana, avocado, baby rice and rusk. I've got pear and toast still to try, then lentils then he'll get what we have modified. I want to do gluten (rusks and bread) completely separately from dairy just in case, although there's no history of allergy or intolerance in the family

Oh, and porridge. But he doesn't like it!

Sounds like a yummy list Pidj I'm looking fwd to starting in a few weeks

Aren't babies disgusting? Jamie's just sneezed and vomited out of his nose, followed by a massive squelch as he pooed. Lovely grin

Stacks Thu 09-May-13 12:42:04

Came across this today breastfeeding timeline. Bit late for us for the first few months, but interesting even for 4 months plus. Tells you things like the benefits of breastfeeding to each age, introducing solids etc.

I intended on getting out to a baby group this morning, but T slept through it for his nap. Just going to try and afternoon session now.

itsMYNutella Thu 09-May-13 13:27:20

Sorry, just popping on for a question:
My period started today... Is this normal? DS isn't feeding any differently. I've felt a bit ropey for the last couple of days but didn't feel like period pains confused
I'm probably worrying irrationally; can it affect supply?
Also - sorry TMI, but DP an I dtd yesterday, first time in ages... Could that have affected things??

Sorry to hear that nutella! Some women get it back sooner than others. It won't effect your supply. I reckon dtd probably didn't being it on but it's likely it was already to come wink

itsMYNutella Thu 09-May-13 15:56:25

Thanks Spotty! I was really enjoying not having to think about it hmm oh well. As long as DS is getting what he needs.

FriendofDorothy Thu 09-May-13 18:28:20

I am getting a little worried that we are due an explosion as Little Mister as he hasn't pooed for about 36 hours.

Had a lovely day as it is Liberation Day here which is another bank holiday smile

IsThatTrue Thu 09-May-13 18:44:37

FoD it's always scary when they are due a poo. Tbh we have that every few days, If DS hasn't had his morning poo (normally his biggest of the day) by 11am, it is going to be horrid and I'm always scared! Although today he's had 2 awful ones this afternoon and gone through 2 extra sets of clothes hmm as if we don't have enough washing!

DHs last day before India and his colleagues have been shots and not prepared the info he needs to write his report until 3pm so he won't get home now until 9. They've only known he's needed this info for 3 weeks hmm angry

Had an awful day with ds.

Been really windy here, wheelie bins everywhere, dd's slide fallen apart, letterbox banging hmm

Stacks I'm glad your HV had some good advice for you. M

FoD hope your car isn't too expensive to fix.

Hales have you tried h on parsnip? It was always one of dd's favourites smile

WLmum Thu 09-May-13 23:06:06

What's been up spotty? T is super snotty but seems to feel ok. Dd2 is 3 tomorrow so am just preparing stuff

2blessed Thu 09-May-13 23:30:03

Hi all,

Sorry to hear about car problems fod and hope the forthcoming poo isn't too bad.

Had a really bad night last night. DS woke up a little after 3, fed, burped and then decided it was playtime until 5am! I still feel tired. He's in bed now and hoping that there will be no repeat performance tonight.

Dedicating this weekend to sorting his room out. Have bought some nice bits (photo frames to frame piccies and artsy cards) to decorate and will be putting his cot together.

Happy birthday to your dd WL smile he's just cried all day and fed every 60-90 minutes. He cries as soon as I stop making eye contact with him hmm

FriendofDorothy Fri 10-May-13 03:51:52

The poo cannon went off! Edward not impressed with an entire change if clothes in the middle of the night!

utopian99 Fri 10-May-13 05:30:42

Poor Edward- a victim of his own poo!

Not sure what's going on- O had a terrible screamy day on Tuesday, so much so we thought it could be teething, and indeed it got a lot better when we gave him dentinox and calpol. Then yesterday my mum was playing with him while I worked and he went from fine to really screamy again. I thought it was a repeat of Tuesday but she suggested he might be bored as he's really into everything suddenly, and when she tried just taking him outside to look at the garden he immediately chilled out and was fine!
Has anyone else had this?

Feeling like an awful mother again for working from 9-4 essentially yesterday, although with breaks to feed. I know O loves playing with my mother too, I just worried he was upset because he thought I was favouring some building regs application over him.. sad

utopian99 Fri 10-May-13 05:32:11

Sorry, that was a bit of a 5am whinge. He's such a dear thing asleep in his grown up cot.

itsMYNutella Fri 10-May-13 07:26:39

fod we haven't had poo for three days here... Also DS isn't sleeping longer than 2 hours which is driving me potty and he is using me as a human dummy (it feels like).
Hopefully a massive poo and he might feel better... hmm

Utopian ds screams when he's bored.

Not a bad night here, could have been worse. Plus he wasn't up for the day until gone seven. Just trying to get him to sleep...

Stacks Fri 10-May-13 09:09:16

Utopian T screams when he's bored. Unfortunately that seems to be almost constantly. I took him to a play group yesterday which I hoped would get me a couple of hours rest, but it was too quiet for him I think and he was still restless. Sometimes just a change of room will take T from screaming to cooing happily for all of 5 mins till he's bored again. He's also happier talking to people who are not me, which again I think is boredom, or at least the interest of a new face.

Spotty, does your DS cry all day, or just shout angrily and constantly at you (until the shouting turns to tears because you're not a mind reader)? T doesn't cry with sadness much in the day, but he shouts all the time and seems to throw temper tantrums when I don't do what he wants quick enough.

We've not had poo in days... Today is swimming, so I wonder if we'll get poo then. It's maximum inconvenience, so I'm thinking quite likely. I've also said I'll volunteer for a couple if hours at a local parents centre helping sort out donations for their nearly new sale tomorrow. I get first dibs on items that way smile Hope T behaves..

Well, I tried putting T down in his pram last night. Fed him to sleep at 8 left him sleep a little while, then woke him up doing the transfer. You'd think the bed was made of injections the way he screamed. Proper sad crying like for his jabs, I tried calming him while leaving him in there but he just wouldn't calm down. So picked him up, fed till happy but not asleep, then put him down again. More screaming, not as pained but with no sign of stopping. So he came into bed with me to try again later.
Tried at midnight (after a 10pm feed too) and got him down without tears and asleep... until my head touched the pillow. More screaming, lots of pram rocking, but no more sleeping. So back into bed with me till morning (waking up every 2 hours again). Sigh.

DH has taken Monday off work though, so I'll try more over the weekend and see how we get on. Looking forward to a nice long weekend, just a shame the weather is set to turn rainy and cold sad

Yes that's exactly what he does stacks! But it turns into crying fairly quickly and then there's not much I can do to stop him hmm

Hope you manage to get him sleeping a bit more

blushblushblush Just realised dd hasn't had any breakfast!!

halestone Fri 10-May-13 11:42:54

I'm feeling abit crap today, got H weighed yesterday and she weighs 21.2lb at 22weeks. The HV (who wasn't my usual HV) made me go through what i feed her in a day. Which isn't alot H doesn't even take what a baby is suppose to formula wise in a 24 period and i give her less than a spoonful of veg or fruit at breakfast and teatime. She said i had to go back in two weeks and get her re-weighed and measured because she looks tall for her age. And also i'll have her stool sample results then.

I know its stupid but i just feel like i'm letting H down with her weight. And i'm refusing to bring her food down any less. Also i know its stupid but i read on google that babies that don't sleep well are prone to be bigger babies. And shes always put weight on at what i think was a quick rate but my HV told me it was ok. I just feel like i'm doing something wrong.

Well if she's tall she's bound to weigh a bit more smile the HV is just doing her job, albeit in a very insensitive way. It's not like she's suddenly gained dramatically since you started weaning or ff so I wouldn't worry.

WLmum Fri 10-May-13 13:30:05

Oh hales you poor thing. I'm sure there's nothing your doing wrong - if I recall she's always been big (like mine) so it's just the way she is. My friends baby was huge when he was born and always weighed several pounds more than dd2 (there's just a few days between them) and even now he weighs about a stone more than dd2. You would never know to look at them as they look about the same, he's just 'solid'. As spotty says hv is doing her job and its good that she's making sure everything is ok, but she shouldn't have left you feeling crap. I take my hat off to you, I think you've done an amazing job in tough circumstances.

ISpyPlumPie Fri 10-May-13 14:10:02

Hales - sorry you've had a bad morrning. Know it's really hard but try not to worry or beat yourself up. I'm sure you're not doing anything wrong. I agree that some DC are just big (the same way some are tiny dots and others are slap bang in the middle). DS1 was definitely on the larger side esp around 5/6 months so just before he started moving. He is still quite solid, but last time I took him to be weighed the hv said he's now average.

Just take her back in a couple of weeks and hopefully you'll see a nicer hv they'll be able to put your mind at rest.

halestone Fri 10-May-13 16:52:42

Thank you, i've kept a diary of what shes eaten today and carry on till i see the HV next and see what she says about it then. After speaking to my DP he reassured me and made me feel well better about it. Sorry for whinging before.

Stacks Fri 10-May-13 17:03:11

Spotty - I think we have behaviour twins. As T is my first I give in to his temper far too easily. The HV said he has me wrapped around his little finger. However I know if I don't do something about the shouting it quickly turns into tears and tantrums. I wouldn't mind the lack of sleep as much if he didn't then run me ragged all day long! I have no advice for you, but I feel your pain every sodding day. Let's just hope they grow out of it bloody soon.

Hales - new HV are the worst. I read an article the other day titled "look at the baby, not the scales" aimed at health workers who fixate on the weight of babies. They need to look at the baby themselves and see if they're happy and content. I hope you see a nicer HV next time, and if you don't, you could always just not go along for a while. Getting LO weighed is optional, as is seeing the HV. If you don't find it helpful or reassuring then there's no point going.

I haven't had ds weighed for seven weeks. Might go soon out of curiosity. Luckily my HV says she looks at the baby, which had good.

It's true stacks. When dd isn't here I do everything I can to keep him happy but when she's here he sometimes just has to wait!

WLmum Fri 10-May-13 19:38:37

Sorry to hear you're having hard times stacks and spotty.

T has just done a big violent puke. I really hope it was just due to mucus from her cold in her tummy and not a bug. Have got. Dd1&2s bday parties tomorrow, although dd1 was vile after school today do she was threatened with cancellation. Starting school does nothing for their attitudes!

WLmum Fri 10-May-13 19:45:23

willyou I've been meaning to say go for it! There is no perfect age gap but I always wanted mine to be really close in age but it just didn't work out that way. There are pros and cons to any age gap so if you're feeling the love - do it!

First night for dd2 without a dummy - she very happily gave them all to her unborn cousin today but we'll see! We've been talking about how 3 is too old for dummies and giving them to the babies but I was going to wait a few days after her bday but she brought it up this morning so decided to go with it. Please no wailing in the night!

Oh no WL! Dd starts next year, she's got bad enough just from nursery!

Two questions for those with tummy sleepers: is if possible to put them down nicely? Ds usually ends up nose diving into the mattress grin and also he usually ends up sleeping in a patch of dribble, the muslin isn't big enough to stretch over and I know he'll just pull it over his head if it's not secure any ideas what I can do? I don't want him getting sore skin.

Fingers crossed for good nights <hollow laugh>

IsThatTrue Fri 10-May-13 19:51:47

I went to a bf cafe today as I was concerned DS is feeding less often, ridiculously easily distracted and his latch is still off. They're happy with him and said its just the age (he's 5mo already shock) and completely normal. Since we returned he's had 3 huge feeds, so I guess I was worrying about nothing!

DH left for India with strict instructions to DS that he is not allowed to learn anything new while daddy is away. At the bf cafe someone asked about DS rolling and I said 'oh no not yet, and I'm happy with him staying still for longer tbh' cue him rolling back to front, not once but twice! Arrrrgh let the fun and games begin.

utopian I work. 9-3 every day except thurs when we go to toddlers in the morning so I work 12-3 that day. Poor DS gets very little of my attention. But I look at it that he won't remember, and I've gotta work to provide for him, so it's tough tbh. I do stop if he's having a particularly rough day but mostly we just get on with it tbh.

Anyone else's dc got really 'fiddly' while feeding? DS keeps playing with my necklace/bra strap while he feeds. I was thinking of one of those nursing necklaces but they look like kids dress up in the photos. Anyone got one? Are they just good because they are less likely to break?

IsThatTrue Fri 10-May-13 19:56:35

spotty I try and plonk put DS down with my hand under his chin, so turn him into a tummy sleeping position in the air, one hand under his belly/legs, one under his chin, and plonk place him that way. I'm not very gentle though tbh blush

As for the dribble you can get giant Muslins, I got some for SIL as a new baby present and they're fab. DS doesn't dribble much in the night though so we're just straight onto the sheet.

IsThat ds is exactly the same. Straining his next to look round (whilst latched on) grabbing my boobs/bra strap/top/his head! His favourite are the tassles on one of my tops hmmit's definitely worse if he's over tired though.

Is ds the only one who hasn't rolled yet?

Thanks IsThat found some in eBay smile

Has anyone tried fosters Radler? It's yum!

Stacks Fri 10-May-13 20:10:43

T hasn't rolled yet. He gets up into his side to look around, but can't go back to front, and won't stay on his front long enough to learn to roll himself over to his back.

So similar stacks grin

PurplePidjin Fri 10-May-13 20:32:43

R is a tummy sleeper. I lay him along my left arm, lay him down then slide out the arm. He only faceplants if he twitches at the wrong moment!

WLmum Fri 10-May-13 20:37:56

spotty I always put T down from upright on my shoulder so use my shoulder arm to support her bum/grip her hip and sort of lay her across the other arm with her face on my hand and slide it out as she touches the mattress.

T rolls both ways but only one at a time - so if on her back she'll roll to her front the moan and need picking up, or front to back in her cot.

Don't worry about the not rolling - dd1 rolled all of once and dd2 never did. It's not considered a developmental milestone and I think quite a lot just don't. Dd1&2 went from sitting to leaning forward to crawling.

utopian99 Fri 10-May-13 20:42:00

wl I'm watching your progress closely, as we want 3. Lots to learn!

On a good note, although ds has been more and more trying due to being more switched on these days, we have spent a glorious hour practicing dancing to trash MTV and jumping on mummy's tummy. Hysterical jollity from him, and I feel like I've had the best gym session in ages. May have to make this regular.. grin

Barbeasty Fri 10-May-13 21:13:31

Spotty a random HV suggested a bit of Vaseline around his mouth because he's getting spots from the constant sickness. Could be worth a try if his face does get sore.

And I share your trepidation about school next year. I think our DDs must be very similar ages.

I bought A a high chair today (the Antilop) and he really enjoyed sitting in it while DD ate her tea.

I saw a Dr yesterday for a follow up for A. Not the Dr we saw before, despite that being who I booked the appointment with (still cross about that!). I'm not sure how someone can seem patronizing when they're listening, but....

Basically we've got another bottle of Domperidone. Same dose, despite it being weight based and me telling him it doesn't seem as effective any more. He said to not use it routinely but have it there in case. But you have to give it before a feed and I was told it should have a cumulative effect.

Was given the useful advice to give less milk each feed, but feed more often. Not bloody useful for a baby breastfed on demand. And not bloody happening at night!

Also suggested I "cut down my dairy consumption" (again, not useful- what does cut down mean?!) to help with A's mucousy chesty cough.

So, I wasn't too worried when I had A on my knee while I ate a dairy free (egg, gluten and everything free) chocolate coated ginger biscuit. I wasn't paying attention when A pulled my hand to his mouth. Then I realised he was licking and chewing at my biscuit! A less healthy banana test?!

I went to the HV clinic yesterday afternoon, A has stuck to his line again. Told her about Dr & at her suggestion I have an appointment with original Dr next week!

Sorry for the monster post!

WLmum Fri 10-May-13 22:10:53

Not for the faint hearted utopian!
beasty that sounds pretty crap. Def try to see another dr.

We've had another massive puke and a bit of a temp with unusual sadness. Not looking good. I guess it's co-sleeping on towels for us tonight! Poor baby.

WLmum Fri 10-May-13 22:13:52

I'd use sudocrem rather than Vaseline - it can actually be drying and is not breathable.

Barbeasty Fri 10-May-13 22:38:47

Good luck for tonight WLmum.

I've not bothered with anything-the spots clear up when the sick does!

halestone Fri 10-May-13 23:34:57

Barbeasty, sorry you saw a GP who didn't help. I never understand why some will and some won't. Hopefully you'll see the original GP and get the answers you need. And also i suppose A definately passed the banana test haha with stylegrin

WL aww hope your poor LO is feeling better tomorrow for DD1 and DD2's birthdays. Happy birthday to them both hope they have a lovely weekendgrin

IsThatTrue Fri 10-May-13 23:54:22

utopian so far 3 are lovely, although the jury is still out to be fair! But I have a big age gap so may be different to your plans.

Well day 1 alone went well. I got all 3 dcs to bed alone and on time. Nobody had any major meltdowns. I did 3hrs of work this evening and got some washing hung out, more in the machine, bread maker set to go and the odd bits that can't go in the dishwasher so hang around unwashed for days washed up. Just climbed into bed and ds2 is still sparko in his cot where I left him at 8.30 smile I'm pretty sure I won't be this calm at the end of the 2 weeks!

halestone Sat 11-May-13 02:21:55

Wow Isthat you've done loads well done, hope your not missing DP to much thanks

Dd has been up crying since ds last woke up at one. No sleep for me sad

IsThatTrue Sat 11-May-13 06:41:14

Oh no spotty is dd ok?

We had 3 wake ups last night yawn it's somehow worse when there's nobody else there even though DH never deals with the wake ups I normally get a cuddle back to sleep. sad

I raise your three and give you four grin

She was fine she just didn't want to sleep in her own hmm I can't blame her really I wouldn't want to either!

I'm loving that ds's wake up time has gone from six to gone seven he's still asleep now!

WLmum Sat 11-May-13 07:07:08

Well no more sick from T but not much settling either. Luckily she did have a sleep from about 12 so I could sit with dd2 who was missing her dummy. T woke up as soon as I moved her into her cot and was back with me til 3.30. She did then settle in her cot til. 6.30. DH has taken her now so hoping I can get a bit if sleep now. Fx she'll be ok for the party. DH slept in the 'spare' bed last night - that would be 15 st if man up on that cabin bed then!

WLmum Sat 11-May-13 07:13:17

isthat due to dhs shifts I often do all 3 by myself for a week or more at a time, tbh it's actually easier without him! It is nice to have a cuddle in bed at some point though. Hope you've got some little treats planned and the time goes quickly for you.

Poor dd spptty, and poor you!

T would def pass the banana test I'm sure but am trying to hold off until 6 months - dd2 has terrible ezcema so don't want to risk triggering any allergies by starting weaning earlier.

PurplePidjin Sat 11-May-13 07:32:49

Bepanthan was best on R's dribble rash

We were up roughly every 20 minutes between 11 and 2:30. Clearly not hungry. So i threw a strop right back at him: dummy in, Ewan on and sat by the cot till he went...

Slept 4 hours and woke up happy!

MummyPidj will be getting strict more often grin

IsThatTrue Sat 11-May-13 11:20:26

I hope everyone is enjoying the patchy sunshine. 2.5 hrs of work down and all 3 dcs (and myself) up and dressed ready to walk to town. DS is currently feeding and pulling at my jumper hmm

We're at bluewater grin just bought some new jeans dp is buying a suit and even in his buggy ds will only sleep on his tummy hmm

Also had an awfully fidgety feeding session...

IsThatTrue Sat 11-May-13 13:16:57

I can no longer eat biscuits while feeding coz DS is too interested in my biscuits sad grin

Barbeasty Sat 11-May-13 14:10:09

Oops. DD was getting in the way, scooting around the kitchen trying to show DH how good she is at it now.

So I suggested they scoot to a pub about a mile away.

Off they went, her in her all-in-one waterproof, him in a coat.

I'm sitting in front of the tv, cup of tea in hand, watching the absolute deluge with hale!

Wonder when the phone call asking for a lift will come!

Stacks Sat 11-May-13 15:52:42

DH has had T all day since 7am (though he's had the luxury of 2 hot cups of tea and proper breaks while I've fed him). He just said "oh god, it's a 3 day weekend". I'm glad he understands a bit more now (and that he has Monday off too to cement that understanding). smile

Back from shopping. Feet hurt but I got lots of new clothes grin

Ds was an angel and didn't moan once I suppose he just gets bored at home sad can't wait to see dd's face when I give her the present I bought her smile

SkiBunnnnny Sat 11-May-13 18:06:44

Good that you got to treat yourself to some nice new clothes spotty, and hope dd likes her present.

Haha, stacks, good that he has a better understanding now! While I was in hospital SIL overheard a conversation between DH and BIL saying they don't know how we do it every day, made both of us smile.

It was my birthday yesterday and we went to a wildlife park. Had a lovely time but it was very hot and DS got a bit grumpy. Planning a girls night soon once my stomach is feeling better.

DS seems to be back on 2-3 hourly feedings through the night again which is a pain since I was used to a 5-6 hour stretch. I think my supply just isn't up to giving him enough in the day time yet. On the bright side, he is getting much better at settling himself to sleep in the cot at night. Still has to fall asleep on me for daytime naps but its progress!

I know IABU I just want a moan.... My mum had dd today and I said we'd be home at half four but she's only just leaving to bring her home now (at least 30 minute journey) and dd is usually getting ready for bed by now. She's going to be knackered, will probably sleep in the car and be a nightmare to get to bed tonight! Plus I won't be able to give her her present as she def won't want to go to bed then sad

Ski don't worry your supply will up. Could just be a change in sleep pattern though.

Stacks glad your dh has been helping out smile

WLmum Sat 11-May-13 20:10:21

Happy birthday ski!

halestone Sat 11-May-13 21:24:39

Happy Birthday Ski.

Stacks hope you've enjoyed your well earned break grin

WLmum Sat 11-May-13 23:06:56

I've got a poorly baby :-( she woke about an hour ago and had a feed but then just moaned and cried. She was happier after she'd been a bit sick and is now comfort sucking on bed with me. I think it's just that she's got a cold and is getting a lot of mucus in her belly but it's awful as she never normally cries.

halestone Sat 11-May-13 23:26:19

Oh WL i hope shes better soon, theres nothing worse than a ill baby. Hopefully she'll wake up tomorrow feeling much better.

WLmum Sun 12-May-13 02:49:58

Can't settle her in bed so we're down on the sofa. Yawn :-(

Oh no WL sad I hope she feels better soon

FriendofDorothy Sun 12-May-13 05:34:07

We've had a good night for a change but it meant I woke up thinking my boob was about to explode!

IsThatTrue Sun 12-May-13 07:12:08

Happy birthday ski

WL DS was like that with his cold so sicky because of the mucus. I feel for you!

Off to meet my mum for lunch with my auntie. Who hasn't met ds2 yet ;) should be a good day. Just a car boot sale to be dragged round first!

Ds has been crying for the past half an hour. It's too early for this sad

WeeJo08 Sun 12-May-13 08:52:44

Happy Sunday everyone. It's pretty miserable here - hope it brightens up later! C has been falling asleep on her side the past couple of nights & this morning we went in & she was on her front. Eeek! shock I have read that quite a few of you are in the same boat...are you flipping your DC over or leaving them. I flipped her over. Normally she's not very happy on her front!

Hope you had a nice birthday, Ski!

PurplePidjin Sun 12-May-13 09:03:01

Happy birthday Ski thanks

Hope they settled, WL and Spotty

R woke twice - for milk at 1 and just because at 3:15. Cue full on cold sweating dodgy breathing hysterics. He just didn't want to be awake sad however, that's the best night we've had in yonks - 7:30-1, 1:15-3:15 and 4-8:15!

It's sunny here this morning. WeeJo we put ds on his tummy. My sister is doing a baby show in Kent this morning and after speaking to an expert said expert thinks ds could have silent reflux. All this time I could have been trying to make him better and I thought he's just a difficult baby.....

Pidj glad you got some sleep.

Ski I keep forgetting in every post Happy Birthday! smile

utopian99 Sun 12-May-13 15:29:14

Happy birthday ski!

Glad you might have a resolution to the crying spotty, it's awful when you just can't work out why.

Dh and I have been wondering how to get a bit of extra mortgage to help with the London house hunt, but as I only started my architecture practice late last year and the property development isn't through a company, my income counts for nothing. Does anyone have a suggestion for a salaried job I could do for long enough to use it as proof of income for a mortgage? (3months minimum.) Ideally working part time or from home, only needs to be enough to borrow £50k against..

No idea utopian confused

I've asked dp to finish work early if he can but I know he probably won't be able to so I feel bad as I know he will be feeling bad. Ds has been awful today though constant screaming causing dd and myself to also cry several times. I hope my HV can wave a magic wand tomorrow hmm

MaMaPo Sun 12-May-13 17:54:16

Happy birthday, Ski!

And hello thread. C and I up in the middle of the night in Melbourne due to horrible jetlag. Flight over was long and tiring but honestly, the jetlag is worse. Past 2 nights I haven't had any sleep before 3am. A killer.

Apart from that, it's nice to be here. All family besotted. I can't wait until her sleeping improves so I can enjoy myself properly. I should be living it but instead I kind of wish I were back in London. sad

halestone Sun 12-May-13 19:36:02

Mama i hope the sleeping gets better for you.

Utopian i have no idea sorry.

FX spotty.

H has two bottom teeth grin is it weird that i'm kind of excited about it? Haha

WLmum Sun 12-May-13 20:22:50

Hey mama! Many moons ago when DH and I visited oz I was the same - up at all hours and pissed off as even sleeping pills didn't get me off. Fx it settles down soon

hales teeth! It is exciting but I kind of hope T holds off as dd1&2 did as I love that gummy grin - knowing she's my last I kind of want to hold on to that baby look.

spotty hope hv can help but I wouldn't get your hopes up (sorry) as she'll probably send you to the gp. If its silent reflux and at his age I'd guess that you probably want something other than gaviscon. Fx you get a good helpful gp.

I'm being rubbish at the min. Jst been so busy. Just wanted to thank everyone on here who sponsored me for my jump this morning. It was really unexpected and incredibly generous of you. Jump went well - video on FB smile

halestone Sun 12-May-13 20:31:33

I didn't even realise as she hasn't been whingy at all and last night she had her best sleep ever. They weren't there this morning then we went to a friends christening and H bit my best friend low an behold two teeth haha.

Thanks WL luckily my HV is really nice and we have a peads specialist at our surgery, which is also really good smile tbh I think that just having someone say 'yes, that's what it is' would be a big help.

Wow hales you'll need to buy a toothbrush now!

Well gone honey smile

Mama jet lag sucks I find it only really lasts a few days though so hopefully you'll both be sorted soon

WLmum Sun 12-May-13 22:05:24

Well done honey amazing!

I hope it goes well spotty and you get some good advice/help.

T is up already, only been down 1.5 hours. Poor soul is obviously not right but last few nights have been so tough and I want to go to bed!

IsThatTrue Mon 13-May-13 06:26:03

hmm ds2 isn't right I had to give calpol at 1am as he had a temp and he's been awfully grizzly all night. My poor little boy!

Well done honey

WLmum Mon 13-May-13 07:54:07

Calpol in the night here too - I finally got to bed at 2.15 and she was up again at 5. Thankfully DH doesn't start work til later today so he took her just before 6 and has had the big two. I've just got T down for a nap so will try for a bit more sleep myself.

I've got my root cabal today sad I'm shaking already blush I think I'm going to cry blushblush

Also can't go to HV as forgot my food shopping is being delivered.

IsThat sorry your ds is poorly. Hopefully he will feel better today.

IsThatTrue Mon 13-May-13 07:58:55

spotty I had root canal while pg, it wasn't any worse than a filling tbh just took a bit longer although I fainted in the middle from lying on the chair too long, which made it a bit more exciting good luck!

Well he's sleeping atm. Had to do a full change this morning as his nappy had leaked, he didn't even open his eyes, just grizzled and moaned the while way through! So unlike him!

Aww poor ds! Thanks that made me feel better. I had a crown (on same tooth) when pg with dd and I felt faint then was sick everywhere blush tbf the dentists should know not to lay pregnant women down!

halestone Mon 13-May-13 10:09:57

WL and Isthat hope your LO's are feeling better now. And that you get too have a sleep today.

Oh no Spotty i've had a root canal it wasn't bad tbh but if i remember right your phobia is dentists. So hope your ok. Could you not phone your HV for advice she may come out and do a home visit if you ask her

WLmum Mon 13-May-13 10:15:23

T is sleeping too - on her cot since 8 which is unheard of. I have massive boobs! No chance of a sleep, too much to do isthat I bet you're the same! Just hope they feel better soon and T goes back to her relatively settled self. As an added complication I haven't been giving her gaviscon since she was sick as if she needs to get stuff out and/or is blocked with mucus I don't want to make it harder but she could now be suffering with reflux symptoms.

spotty I've never had much dental work but the words root canal are not nice are they! Fx it all goes smoothly. Xx

Well I got there, they did the injections and then discovered the equipment wasn't working. So now I'm numb for nothing and have to go back on a day I have no child care. I could have got my shopping delivered earlier too sad

WLmum Mon 13-May-13 12:08:30

Frustrating!

Yep and dp had taken time off work to look after ds! I know it's not their fault but I'd got all worked up! Is t feeling better?

Apparently peekaboo is the most hilarious game ever hmmgrin

WLmum Mon 13-May-13 12:46:37

She had a mammoth nap - nearly 4 hours in her cot! And seems fine at the moment although she didn't drink nearly enough milk - boobs are still big!

Hi everyone, I've been AWOL as it was my friends wedding this weekend. The one where i was a bridesmaid. It was fantastic and went so fast that I didn't even get chance to miss Jamie.

He's been a bit strange this weekend. Yesterday he drank over 1.5 litres of milk and had a 4 hour nap in the day! Today he's drink his normal amount (3 x 6oz so far) but has been asleep for 2.5 hours again. He skipped his morning nap and just had this one big one. Is this normal, is this how they drop a nap?

Well done for yesterday Honey and a belated happy birthday to Ski.

Sorry your dentist cancelled Spotty.

Glad you enjoyed the wedding WillYou.

Well I went and saw HV it wasn't my usual one hmm anyway she suggested weaning surprise surprise. Ds weighs 14lb8 at 24 weeks and has dropped five lines in seven weeks....

WLmum Mon 13-May-13 18:17:45

Oh dear spotty how do you feel about that?

willyou glad you had a good time and didn't miss Jamie too much. How was 'Louise'?

Oh yes I want to hear about Louise too!

WL I really don't want to wean him grin for a few reasons though. Firstly I don't want to wink seconds I don't think he's ready. When I've tried him with bits of purée, which he loved, he's still got a really string tongue thrust, is nowhere near sitting and is just so small still!

What do you think about his weight? Is the line dropping a sign he needs weaning? Also my pump is broken and I have hardly any milk in the freezer for porridge etc (excuses excuses wink)

Louise was a complete bitch her usual charming self! She insisted the bride stay at home rather than at her mum and dads so that she cod stay over with her, took a photo of the bride whitening her teeth and looking like shit the night before the wedding and posted it on Facebook, insisted on the bride having a shit load of pics taken of Louise, bride, brides sister, cutting out the rest of us bridesmaids. My personal favourite though was Louise's DP introducing himself to everyone with "hi, I'm mark, Louise's partner. Do you know Louise? She's <Bride's name>'s best friend!"

Ooh all very petty but fucking annoying all the same!

PurplePidjin Mon 13-May-13 19:40:15

Spotty the mw i actually trust rather than the stupid bitch hv said to up R's solids when his weight gain slowed a few weeks ago - we started at 22 1/2 weeks - as long as you start gently and they don't drop feeds. R is now on 3 meals a day plus all feeds, and while i haven't had him weighed since he's definitely filling his clothes better! 25 weeks today

He has milk at 7, 1/2 weetabix with 1oz bm around 8:30, milk around 10, milk then 2 ice cubes of veg puree with 1 tbsp baby rice at 12, milk again before nap, milk after nap around 3, milk then dinner of 2 cubes puree at 5, milk after 6pm bath. Then 1 or 2 night feeds.

WillYou they sound charming hmm tell me more

IsThatTrue Mon 13-May-13 19:44:01

spotty breast milk has far more calories than food so as long as he's feeding well there is no reason to wean if he/you aren't ready. Do you block feed? Just that that can help them get more of the fatty hind milk, rather than the watery fore milk. Has he lost weight or is he just not gaining as rapidly as the lines? I was reading a book that suggested that weight gain in breastfed babies is often less 'linear' than in bottle fed babies, do there will be more spurts and plateaues naturally.

Well we no longer have a temp but he's been the amazing Velcro baby all day, I've got hardly any work done! I did get to a pharmacy though and picked up some ambesol liquid so I shall be giving that a whirl.

Thanks pidj I did think that re weight gain but because he feeds two hourly I'm worried introducing something would make him drop a feed.

IsThat glad ds is feeling better. He's put on weight just not enough to follow his line.

IsThatTrue Mon 13-May-13 19:51:31

Have you read the 'look at the baby not the chart' thing? It's quite interesting.

No...that's what my usual HV is like though. He is six months in two weeks though I think I'm in denial!!

Barbeasty Mon 13-May-13 19:55:29

Spotty Food is less calorific than milk, and the amounts he'll have when you start weaning will be pretty small, so I'm not sure that food will help with weight directly.

But what my (lovely) hv has said is that frequently once children with reflux wean they often get better (from a reflux point of view) because the solids help things settle. This would help with weight gain, but I don't know if it's the same with silent reflux, if that is the issue.

Could you get your usual hv to come & see you or give you an appointment, or get an appointment with the paeds gp you said is at your surgery? Talk it through further and find out exactly what the reasoning is and what they think it would achieve.

I think I will get him weighed again in two weeks see what his weighed is doing and speak to my HV then. The HV I saw today was really nice (told someone off for giving their seven month old cows milk as a drink shock) but I've never met her before and she doesn't know us.

PurplePidjin Mon 13-May-13 20:07:53

R has milk at 7, 10, 12, 1, 3, 5 and 6:30 approx during the day. His sleeping and self settling are much improved with the structure of meals. He also gets bm with his weetabix and rice - now he goes down at 7 ish for a good stretch i have time to pump after he's in bed. I block feed off the right (his favourite) and pump the left.

Try him with a few mouthfuls of something easy like sweet potato, parsnip or pear at a time of day he's usually happy - R's was lunchtime - and see what he does. After 3 days, introduce a different veg. Once you've got a few in there and it's going well, add 1tsp baby rice with 1tsp milk (whatever he normally has but not cows, i use cooled boiled if no milk) to see how he dies with carbs. We did gluten last week - porridge (not a hit), rusks and weetabix (new fave) - and will do dairy over the next few days, starting with fromage frais then cheese.

He eats cauliflower, sweet potato, butternut squash, parsnip, pear, apple, banana, avocado, rusk, rice and weetabix in various combinations.

Will do protein next week, hopefully getting him eating mushed up versions of our meals a week or two later and saving me the extra cooking I try giving him finger food every few days but he likes his spoon, greedy lad! Will post a pic of his Rusk Munching Strategy hmm

halestone Mon 13-May-13 20:52:37

Spotty, i think weaning is instinct based you know your DS best, plus you already have DD so you've done it before. I think HV just tell you what is recommended. For some babies 6 months is the right time some before some after. Only you and DP can decide when DS is ready, your already doing a fantastic job, and DS is putting weight on. Someone told me last week when i was stressing out about H's weight that babies don't know they are suppose to follow a line in a book or reach particular milestones at certain times. They do what they want when they are ready. That was the advice that stopped me worrying last week xxx

halestone Mon 13-May-13 20:54:09

Whoops kisses again -sometimes think i'm texting- sorry.

halestone Mon 13-May-13 20:54:57

And a strike out fail, think i must be tired.

WLmum Mon 13-May-13 21:26:20

Oh where can I get me one of those besties! She just gets more delightful.

spotty it is a tricky one. I agree with hales that instinct counts for a lot, and with others that bm is more calorific than fruit and veg, but I can see the logic of adding some solids to help settle reflux. Although I do think some people are quick to say wean as they don't have any other answers. Does he seem happy and satisfied by his feeds? I guess on balance I'd say try to keep all the bfeeds and add a spoon of something heavier like baby cereal or sweet potato or give a piece of banana or rusk for him to suck maybe when you do dds breakfast or lunch. He's going to wean at some point soon so as long as you take it slow I can't see how you can do any harm.

I can see weaning in our not too distant future. J is only 21weeks but he has upped his milk intake massively and took a whopping 12oz in one go before he'd go to bed today! I kept waiting for him to throw it back up but it never came. Fingers crossed it'll do him for a good long stint!

WLmum Mon 13-May-13 21:33:33

I think if he's happy and settled then his weight is irrelevant - same goes for you hales - as you say, babies don't read the book and there is such a wide variation in 'normal'.

WLmum Mon 13-May-13 21:36:02

12oz!!! I'd love to know how much bm T takes in a big feed or in total as sometimes I can hear her glugging and I think surely she can't fit any more in but she does!

halestone Mon 13-May-13 22:09:08

Willyou, how much formula does J have on a average day? Do you find he takes it all in one go or has sips now and again till you have to throw the bottle away?

IsThatTrue Mon 13-May-13 22:26:58

WL I too wonder how much bm DS takes, especially when he completely empties one and goes for the second, empties that then back to the first to suckle until he can get another let down, like bedtime today. 45 mins of continuous feeding!

Hales J has fussy days where he will only take 3-4oz at a time and I have to keep trying him, but generally he has 6/7 6oz bottles a day. He drinks very little in a morning and loads in the evening. Today he's had 38oz and has finished every bottle I've given him but not the one DP gave him at 7am. normally it's between 30 and 36oz. Yesterday i'd say he had ~50oz shock I've made 7oz bottles for tomorrow as he drained all of them today.

He isn't gaining weight very fast though as he has a couple of days each week where he will only have about 24oz.

halestone Mon 13-May-13 23:45:54

Thank you Willyou, was just trying to figure out what was normalish for FF babies. H sounds exactly like J so its reassured me i'm not over feeding her she has days where she drinks loads but days where she'll only drink a little.

SkiBunnnnny Tue 14-May-13 01:05:13

Thanks for all the birthday wishes!

Sorry to hear about all the poorly and jet lagged babies over the weekend. And sucks about the dentist spotty. Hope you get somewhere with the HV.

Things are going well with the feeding here. Only had formula twice in the last week and one bottle of ebm, everything else has been boob. A giant poo this morning has stopped me worrying about whether or not he is getting enough. Sleep, both night time and day time, has suffered a bit. I think I have been doubting myself and thinking he's hungry when he's actually tired and missing his sleep windows so we need to start working on that.

We looked at a house today! Really getting sick of this tiny 1bedroom place. Finances, will be tight for a while but I think we're going to take it and just be very careful with our spending. I'm excited!

SkiBunnnnny Tue 14-May-13 01:12:34

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IsThatTrue Tue 14-May-13 03:00:46

First wake up since bedtime at 8.30. Not bad at all. I even got to sleep at 11 so I've had a decent chunk, still so very tired though.

We're up for the third time...

IsThatTrue Tue 14-May-13 06:17:05

Oh spotty that doesn't sound good.

DS just woke for a second time! shock so he slept 8.30-3 and 3.15-6, he'll be back in his bed in a min too. hmm

No that's a normal night for us, one of the better ones.

WLmum Tue 14-May-13 08:39:40

Another dreadful night here, lots of wake ups, hard to settle and a lovely spell of crying at about 1-2. She was really snotty and congested (not been in the day) so am hoping its just the tail end of a cold and will sort itself very very soon. Bless DH has taken all 3 on the school run today for the first time ever but I know he's knackered too.

Glad feeding is going so well ski

WLmum Tue 14-May-13 08:48:04

Bless him but I just came downstairs to find the front door open!

Barbeasty Tue 14-May-13 09:25:31

Spotty It tickles me when someone asks how A has slept and are full of pity when I say he woke every 2hrs. That's better than the hourly wake ups.

I must be tired though, I thought we woke up at 2.23, but the next waking was 1 something, so I guess the first time must have been 22.30! Up for the day at 5.30.

Or 12:23 wink

WL that was nice of his grin good job you noticed the door!

So I've already had a few 'how much longer are you going to feed him for?' Questions hmm I'm not sure if they're just wondering or starting to be judgy. Either way it's none of their business.

WLmum Tue 14-May-13 09:53:32

Oh spotty I've had a few of those, especially from mil. Like you I can never tell whether its interest or judgy - I know they think I'm a bit weird with my bfing for more than 3 months and cloth nappies.

halestone Tue 14-May-13 10:06:37

WL hope you manage some sleep today.

Spotty i got that question from when H was about 6 weeks old from everyone, as she was a bigger baby. I got fed up of hearing with you it was 12 weeks or 12lbs. confused

Sat in the hospital with my dad for a routine appointment and hes got himself into a cracking little temper. So my morning/day is going to be spent calming him or apologising to everyone for him being rude. God i hate this illness! I just want him to be better soon and back to his normal self but i know that is never likelyhmm

halestone Tue 14-May-13 10:42:12

Arghhh i'm beyond fuming i have just rang my GP for H's lactose test result and for a 2nd time they have rejected the sample! This time because they said it wasn't handed in with the forms. I know it was as i had to do it myself i physically passed it to the woman myself after running round like a blue arsed fly to get it there within the 2 hours so that it wouldn't be rejected.

FriendofDorothy Tue 14-May-13 11:55:52

Hurray! The Mister has managed to get The Little Mister to take some expressed milk out of a sippy cup. I hope it isn't just a one-off!

Great news FoD smile

Hales sorry they're being shit. I would complain.

WLmum Tue 14-May-13 12:21:39

hales that's rubbish for you x 2. Does your dads illness change his personality or is it pain and frustration making him grumpy?

Great news fod

My pump wasn't working because I'd forgotten to put the membrane on blush

SkiBunnnnny Tue 14-May-13 15:00:37

How frustrating hales! Sorry about your dad sad.

Yay FoD here's hoping its not a one time thing.

That makes me sad spotty, I hope they are just being interested. I've has that question, but only from people who are genuinely interested. If they are being judgey, just tell them that the WHO recommends at least 2 years so until then they can keep their opinions to themselves. (Not that you then have to listen to them at 2)

WLmum Tue 14-May-13 15:13:09

That's interesting \ski I knew 6 months exclusive but I didn't know until 2. Will check it out.

WLmum Tue 14-May-13 15:18:52

Oh yes, I'm going to use that - cue shocked look from mil!

Yep it's until two WL smile

Ds hasn't fed for three and a half hours and isn't moaning?? Boobs don't feel engorged sad

halestone Tue 14-May-13 15:32:17

Yay FoD, congratulations to the little mistergrin

WL its frustration/pain/boredom, he's never been a patient man but now he's worse.

Have managed to take H's 3rd sample to another hospital as i kicked up a stink about what they've done so far. Filled with abit more confidence in the new hospital as she read the paperwork then gave me a sheet back and told me to do part of the test they would need a 2nd sample done. So will have to go back but hopefully it will be done properly this time.i just hate feeding her at the moment as we're not sure whether this is what causes her too poo so muchhmm

2blessed Tue 14-May-13 16:52:02

Hi All,

Hope everyone and LOs are good and sleeping lots. DS has had a nasty cold over the last few days and its kept me very busy. Gonna have a reade and catch up on what everyone's been up to.

SkiBunnnnny Tue 14-May-13 17:57:52

Does anyone ever feel like they are wrestling with an octopus that keeps trying to suck its toes when changing/dressing your LO?

WLmum Tue 14-May-13 18:15:18

How horrid for you hales

Ts cheeks came up a bit red this aft. Please don't let all this upset be about teeth - I may never sleep again!

IsThatTrue Tue 14-May-13 19:14:21

ski yes sucking toes is a great pastime and DS is very reluctant to let his feet go when I'm changing him. It's not the easiest.

Well today we have mainly eaten and slept and shouted a bit 22 wk growth spurt?!

itsMYNutella Tue 14-May-13 20:38:13

Ski it is always a fight to change DS. He loves being naked and squirms around very merrily; but it's always been that way. Although knee/feet grabbing is new and it possibly involves less movement because he isn't flailing all 4 limbs now...

hales fx that this time the sample works!! It would be almost impossible to get a sample from DS. He seems to be going once ish a week confused I'm a bit worried he'll explode one day. But he also does some terrible farts!

We have had a lovely couple of days visiting Dresden. I highly recommend it, although speaking German is an advantage there is plenty of stuff in English. DS was his charming self and I wore him around town, doing tourist stuff, in the sling while DP worked at his conference thing grin.
I had a massive breakfast at the hotel both days. Must have looked funny eating scrambled eggs round DS

halestone Tue 14-May-13 21:08:05

Nutella H does 5-6 poos a day. This hospital have told us the result should be back by friday. I am now going to write a formal complaint to Wigan Hospital Path Lab. I don't think its fair they can do this to a baby.

Ski we have that we call it her monkey look as she tightens her legs and arms around my arm haha. She also picks things up with her feet. I love it

utopian99 Tue 14-May-13 23:48:58

What a bugger hales, I hope you get it sorted with your new hospital, and a result from the complaint. (I'm a big fan of the angry letter..)

Agree with ski about dressing an octopus. In our case one that gets shouty when you try to dress its arms. Dh says this is because ds has inherited my love of getting naked. blush

Operation find a 4-door car has commenced. Slowly. Where can we find a less than 7 year old, less than 80k mileage Ford focus within 15 miles of Woking??

There isn't a path lab at Wigan anymore Hales that's the problem. They shut it down and now everything goes to Salford who are massively overrun. My sister's a nurse and she said their results are taking 3x as long and they have to ring for them as they can take weeks to be put onto the system. I hope you get sorted out.

It's soooo windy here. Second wake up here zzzzzz

halestone Wed 15-May-13 02:20:22

Willyou, i dropped the sample off at Wigan Path Lab, do they transfer it over? The 1st rejection was due to the sample not being froze within 2 hours of it being done. The 2nd rejection was due to no paperwork, which i know was with it because i handed it in. Plus i was told it would take over a weeks for results. I've handed this 3rd sample in at Ormskirk and been told my GP will have the results on friday.

They did when we sent a swab sample in on dec Hales I an fairly sure it would be the same.

I know a midwife who had to take her own baby's samples to ormskirk as they couldn't deal with them fast enough at Wigan. Obviously the new system's not working!

halestone Wed 15-May-13 03:55:58

She woke at 2 and has just gone back to sleep, i really struggled not to get her out of her cot, especially when she kept holding her arms out to me. I feel mean but she fell asleep holding my finger xxx

SkiBunnnnny Wed 15-May-13 03:57:04

He rolled over back to front today for the first time! And DH was here to see it smile.

IsThatTrue Wed 15-May-13 07:04:01

spotty and you hang close your eyes.

But DS woke at 10 something being a royal pain as I was knackered and he was daring and eating and eating. But he hasn't woken since shock he is just stirring now. My baby slept through!!

I have comedy boobs though hmm

IsThatTrue Wed 15-May-13 07:05:28

Oh ski yay for rolling and letting daddy see. Ds2 waiting until DH was on a plane on the way to India hmm grin

Barbeasty Wed 15-May-13 10:33:20

A rolled on purpose this morning, back to front. He still hasn't made the link to keep rolling, but he's pushing himself up on his hands really well and keeps trying to crawl. Gulp!

Saw the original Dr this morning. We now have ranitidine to try, and if that isn't effective we can increase the dose and add domperidone.

A's cold has gone, so I'm back on dairy. Yum! I'll see how is goes, and can always reduce it again if needed.

Pidj I have a special request for you. Feel free to say no but dd would love some kind of carrier for her dolly but I can't find any cheaper than £25 shock I know you made your mei tai is this the sort of thing you could do? (For less than £25 wink)

Well after two tbsp of porridge and an oz of ebm in his cup ds has still only gone 2.5 hours between feeds hmm (porridge was an hour after a feed). It seems he's never going to be full! Obviously I know it's a good thing he's not skipping feeds but there was 3oz of milk in the porridge shock

I'm eating skittles grin

ISpyPlumPie Wed 15-May-13 13:18:59

Sorry not been around much over the last few days. Just trying to catch up.

Willyou - glad the wedding went well. Louise sounds like she was her normal charming self hmm.

Hales - what a nightmare! Will keep fx that it's third time lucky and you get it sorted now.

Ski - great news about the rolling. It's lovely when you both get to see them do something for the first time.

FOD - nice work with the cup. We've just got to the stage where I feel confident enough that N will use his cup so I can leave him with DH or DM for a couple of hours. This means I've been able to start DS1's swimming lessons again. I think he's really valuing having some one to one time with me again. The only problem is managing to express. I never seem to have chance in the morning and when I tried yesterday evening I could barely get an ounce. My supply does seem to have reduced a bit - not nearly so much leaking now, even though N is still feeding regularly.

We're still taking a blwish approach to food. Only doing fruit and veg atm. N has developed a technique where he piles the food up on his tray then eats it face first!

Also finding it tricky changing an increasingly mobile baby. He keeps rolling over as soon as I put him down, and is also determined to crawl. He's only got reverse gear atm though, but he can cover quite a distance while becoming incredibly frustrated that he's going in the wrong direction grin.

Ispy I find evening the worst time to express. I fed off of one side twice in a row then expressed off the other and got 4oz this morning is that something you can do or do you feed from both sides?

WLmum Wed 15-May-13 14:05:06

Haven't read any of the posts since yesterday but utopian check out auto trader on line or there's a car land in chertsey. If you can face it, car giant in white city gets my vote but its more than 15 miles and takes a whole when you're there but you will def find what you are looking for and no haggling!

SkiBunnnnny Wed 15-May-13 14:56:44

ISpy grin at reverse baby! LO has been trying so hard to get over on to his tummy for a while and finally did it. Hardly ever rolls front to back any more. I suppose he just likes being on his tummy, easier to look around!

Hurray for sleeping through isthat!

PurplePidjin Wed 15-May-13 15:22:46

Spotty I'm making one for my friend's dd's 2nd birthday in early July if i get time. I'll attempt 2 and call it £15+postage if you like?

Yes please grin thank you!

I've just bought a tiny love giant play mat from tesco. It's reduced to £25 and in the clubcard exchange so I didn't actually need to pay any one for it. It's good because it's so big dd and ds can play on it and it will last for years. A friend had one and their great if anyone needs to move on from the play gym type thing I definitely recommend them smile

PurplePidjin Wed 15-May-13 16:15:08

I'll see what i can do then smile

FriendofDorothy Wed 15-May-13 17:25:52

Urgh. Edward has puked all down my front. It pooled between my boobs and is even in my hair. Gross!

Lovely FoD you glamorous lady you!

I'm trying to eat an omelette and the completely unweaned Jamie keeps lunging at my fork with his mouth open! He's giving me the big puppy dog eyes begging for his share

WLmum Wed 15-May-13 19:03:19

Happens to me on a regular basis fod!

I've just had to really lay down the law to dd1 (just turned 6). Her attitude just stinks at the moment. It's the old give an inch problem - I guess I've been less 'on' her since Tabs has been born and she's being very trying now. I know it'll turn around quick with a bit of boot camp but I hate it - why can't children be reasonable?!! Sometimes it seems the nicer you are to them the more they take the piss.

Think ill treat myself to a bath tonight - no-one better wake up for boobage while I'm in there (yes Tabs I mean you!)

WL I was just praying ds didn't wake up as I was eating an ice cream. He keeps falling asleep at six and I have to wake him up for bath etc so I think I need to move his bedtime but that means disrupting our whole evening routine/dinner/dd's bath. Not sure what to do.

Eek I'm not looking forward to school age. Dd's bad enough since starting nursery but at least she has the excuse that she's only two hmm then again it's nearly half term and I have noticed her getting worse (always cries lots and plays up when tired) could your dd1 be tired from school?

IsThatTrue Wed 15-May-13 19:41:23

WL dd1 could be finding it hard school wise. I always find the further into the year you get the more horrible they are. She should catch up on some rest in half term.

Fx for more sleeping through tonight.

Stacks Wed 15-May-13 19:57:09

I know this is so minor to everyone else, but I just managed my first solo bath for DS. We've always just bathed him occasionally with us, so it's his first solo bath since he was just a couple of weeks old. It made for a completely different routine for him though, but I think we should try it more often.
I really need to get my evenings back. DS will sleep from about 7/8pm but only with me in bed with him. So I need to eat dinner etc before we can do his bedtime, then I'm stuck in bed and never get to spend any time with DH. Does anyone know if a GP can prescribe ranitidine or does it need to be through a consultant? I don't think the gaviscon is doing much, but I do think its silent reflux waking him so much overnight (we had a 'good' night last night - only every 2 hours).

I just read back, but I've forgotten everything!

Spotty - is today your first day giving DS food? I'm wondering how it'll affect his nights.

I can't wait for DS to start crawling, even backwards, I hope it'll mean I have to carry him round the house less. Even if I will have to start chasing him round, at least I won't be carrying the little heffalump! smile

WLmum Wed 15-May-13 19:58:33

I don't think it's particularly tiredness from school, I think it has been slipping for a while and now reached crunch time. She's always been a give an inch kind and can be quite lazy, on top of having just had birthday excitement and spoiling. As I say, I know a few days of being super strict will sort it but I feel mean, but I also know its in her best interests to be a nice person!

spotty that's a toughie - could you bring his sleep forward?

isthat v jealous of the sleep, we've gone totally backwards again.

beasty my dr says she always prescribes domperidone and ranitidine together. I haven't filled the prescription though as I wasn't entirely happy. Since then T hasn't been too bad. spotty I keep thinking about whether ds has reflux - have you had any further developments? Great that he's eating and feeding so well, maybe you'll see a nice weight gain next time.

WLmum Wed 15-May-13 20:00:52

stacks x post. Yes to drs prescribing ranitidine. Your nights sound horrendous, it's a wonder you don't just fall asleep with him.

WLmum Wed 15-May-13 20:08:14

Dd1 obviously can also be lovely!

I'm not sure re reflux. HV wasn't too helpful hmm he's had tastes of dd's fruit purée before but I gave him porridge today so more bulky. I think he really just is hungry the fact he fed, hour later porridge (w/4oz milk) then an hour later fed and no sick or anything confused

I'm sure he will be up as normal tonight grin

Back to the dentist tomorrow sad

Stacks I agree I think it's really important to have some time in the evenings to fold washing relax. Well done on the bath!

I could bring his sleep forward but it would mean either me not eating with dd or dp not eating with dd and I which would be a shame...

WLmum Wed 15-May-13 20:48:36

I didn't mean his bedtime but his late afternoon nap. Well done on all eating together, we only manage it a couple of nights a week due to dhs shifts. It is nice and so good for the kids to all eat together but it's nice for DH and I to eat together when he gets in sometimes too. and sometimes peacefully by myself when dcs are in bed and he's on a late

Will be interesting to see if weaning does help his sleep if he's guzzling so much! We can but hope!

Haven't even got in the bath yet and we're on first wake up.

He doesn't have a routine for naps really blush just falls asleep as and when.... this afternoon he slept 2-3:20 so he wasn't tired until 5:30ish which is too late. His lunchtime nap was cut short because we had to get dd from nursery hence the funny nap time. It's hard to get any nap routine when you have more than one isn't it? It wouldn't be so bad if dd did the same times everyday I suppose.

I've just realised my maternity pay stops at the end of July shock

ddas Wed 15-May-13 22:05:57

Haven't had a chance to post in a while- quickly trying to catch up.

We're slowly settling in to the new area & house and starting to feel more at home which is nice. So much to do though and not much time! Feel like should get lots done whilst on mat leave but in reality not much free time with a baby& toddler!

Dd now rolls to her belly immediately as soon as I put her on her back and is really trying to move forward and lift her bum in the air & getting very frustrated that she can't move!

utopian re work seem to remember you're an architect? Know only very very vaguely related but how about working in an estate agents on Saturdays for the mortgage. When we were house hunting recently they seemed to have extra people on Saturdays that only worked on the weekends.

ddas Wed 15-May-13 22:18:11

spotty not sure if it would work for you but we do the below with naps to coordinate the 2 kids. Times give or take an half hr-hr as day turns out.

Morning nap- around 9/9.30 for an hour depending on when got up & how sleepy (dd normally wakes up around 5am and comes into bed with us & falls back asleep immediately but get her up when ds wakes up which normally 6-7). If nursery day this nap is in the car on route and in cot if at home.

Midday- this is in pram around 12ish whilst ds finishes lunch etc. she slowly falls asleep looking at us so asleep by time I take ds to his cot at 1pm for his nap. Dd sleeps 12- around 2.30. sometimes I need to push pram around to get her back off if she wakes. Ds normally wakes about 3 so gives me some time with dd alone.

Afternoon: For half hr to hr anytime from 4-5.30 depending on when she seems to get tired. If nursery day I coordinate this with picking ds up so she sleeps in the car. If at home in cot but frequently this is when we're out so will be in pram.

Bath around 6-6.30 with bed following this.

IsThatTrue Wed 15-May-13 23:33:40

Well he went down at 7.45 no problems, just 20 min feed. Woke at 10.30 starving, emptied my boob in super quick time and went straight back down again! I've just had a shower (in cold water as my boiler has been condemned) and gotta sort some washing but I might leave that until tomo, sleep sounds enticing right now. yawn

ISpyPlumPie Thu 16-May-13 00:06:59

Well, I know a live teething post is not nearly as exciting as a live labour thread but teeth three and four are crowning right now! He's had the white marks on his gums for over a week but they've decided to put in a proper appearance tonight, accompanied by red cheeks and much shouting despite having been a happy little soul all day. He's been dosed up with bonjella, calpol and teething powder and has finally dozed off. Poor little mite - they feel really sharp sad.

WL - I've had to be strict mummy this evening too. DS1 was being an absolute nightmare at bedtime. I think he was overtired from nursery, but he's definitely going through quite a cheeky stage too - he's only three and half, so I dread to think what's in store once he starts big school!

Ddas those times are the ones I would work to if I could but its impossible on the days dd has nursery.

Four teeth shock

Second wake up for us. Food not made any difference but I'm not expecting it to until he's on three meals a day....

D still won't roll back to front. He rocks and gets half way then realises if he continues he'll be in his tummy, which he hates. If I put him on his tummy he flips himself over straight away. I don't think he'll ever crawl.

Is everyone starting to use a cup rather than a bottle now? (Sorry if I missed this discussion)

We're using a cup for water but I'm starting with milk in it until he knows what to do grin he doesn't have a bottle anyway.

halestone Thu 16-May-13 08:14:11

Ispy i'll join you on the live teething thread. She had 2 pop up from the bottom on sunday, and i'm just watching the top 2 coming through. Shes the same really shouty but not too upset by it. She bit me with the bottom 2 though and they were sharp makes me nervous now when i rub the teething powder into her gums.

Honey i don't use a sippy cup i use bottles. I probably should try her with a cup though i was lucky i suppose as she never had nipple confusion so i didn't need to try.

WLmum Thu 16-May-13 08:19:24

ddas that amount of day nappage sounds heavenly! Like spotty we have no routine other than that she generally has a nap on the school run but tends to wake soon after we get home. Dd2 doesn't nap and doesn't go to nursery so the rest is made up as we go along.

Horrendous night here, up every hour. At 5.30 I sent her off with DH as I'd fed her at 5 and she was up again already.
Really hope it's just her trying to make up for eating less while she was I'll and building up my supply again if its dropped. If she's still doing it in a couple of days there's going to be action!

Barbeasty Thu 16-May-13 09:51:53

Stack, yes Dr can prescribe ranitidine.

I've read it tends to go with domperidone, but I think generally you try just ranitidine and add domperidone if it doesn't work, and not start with domperidone. At least I've got the instructions/ freedom to mix & match a bit if necessary.

A seems happier on the ranitidine. Still sick, but not in pain. I'll give it a couple of days and see if I want to mix.

No soporific effect from the medicine overnight though!

I had to take DH into hospital to have his wisdom tooth out (again!) and it's opposite my office, so I popped in. A behaved beautifully, and I saw my boss so at least I know where to report in a couple of weeks when I start back.

I wonder if there's a bit of realisation with older children that the babies are here to stay. DD has been playing up, she's started lashing out and hitting when she gets cross or frustrated. Bas enough when she slaps DH on the face by his removed tooth, but she also goes for A's head.

Root canal half done hmm he couldn't finish it as I have very narrow canals apparently.... Next appointment not for two and a half weeks.

Sorry you had a bad night WL. Was she drinking or just comfort sucking? How old is she now? Ds seems to have found his thumb again yay!

FriendofDorothy Thu 16-May-13 12:25:53

I am using a cup as E refuses bottled!

Dds being bloody horrible. She won't eat any of the nice lunch I made her (things I know she loves) and he being whingy and moaning a lashing out waking ds up when he hasn't slept all day. angry

WLmum Thu 16-May-13 12:42:39

spotty at least it's half over.

She's just coming up 5 months. Bit of both drinking and comforting. I'm clinging to the theory that she's just making up for the feeds she refused when poorly and bringing supply back up so should be back to normal in a couple of days - haha!

MaMaPo Thu 16-May-13 12:58:19

Hallo all, quick check in.

Having lovely time with family her in Aus, but jetlag has been hellish. Been here almost a week and c still up for 3 hours at night, either 10-1 or 12-3. Horrendous. Not making time up during day with long naps, so is sleep deprived. She is a happy soul, as everyone says, but I see the difference in her. I could do with more than 6 hours sleep across whole night, esp as I haven't really recovered from long flight.

Impressed by babies with teeth! Lots of drool here but not much more.

Wish me luck with my sleep tonight...

PurplePidjin Thu 16-May-13 13:08:48

Yoghurt is a huge hit grin

MaMaPo Thu 16-May-13 13:20:16

Don't bother with the good luck wishes - it's 10.15pm so of course she's awake. A whole week of this shit! So over it!

halestone Thu 16-May-13 13:28:16

Oh Mama i hope that it gets better for you so you can enjoy the trip more.

Pidj we tried mango and passionfruit yogurt today (soy as we still don't know about her lactose intolerance yet) it was a big hit.

H is booked in for her first dentist appointment tomorrow, awww it feels like shes growing up too quick.

Oh no mama sad

WL join me in the 'it'll be better once they're weaned' saying grin

Wow hales! They don't see them round here until they're two but they're happy to have a look when you're at you're appointment iyswim?

I can finally eat and have gone a bit over the top with my tomato and basil cob topped with mozzarella and tomatoes with a balsamic glaze mmmm

PurplePidjin Thu 16-May-13 13:54:44

3 meals a day and still bf every 2 hours round the clock here hmm

Noooo pidj don't say that!!

WLmum Thu 16-May-13 14:09:29

Yum spotty. I'm afraid weaning did nothing to improve dd2s night wakings :-(. There was a time Tabs had just one 3 am feed and she even slept through a few times. She did this hourly waking once before which I guess was a growth spurt and I know in a cruel trick of nature supply responds best to extra demands made at night. Fx it will settle down soon if not...! hales are you doing some sleep training or did I imagine that?

I've locked us all out the fucking house!! I don't have anything apart from my phone and purse shock

halestone Thu 16-May-13 15:09:29

Spotty, around here we're encouraged to take them as soon as their 1st teeth arrive. It might be due to the high amount of tooth decay in children in this area.

WL, i was going to try putting H in her cot everytime she slept so that she got use to that being her sleep place. I also was going to try and gently bring her bedtime forward, but i've been lucky shes sort of doing it by herself. I'm going to wait until shes at a regular time and then i'm going to start leaving her bit by bit at the moment she wakes when i leave the room.

Our night time routine is we have a shower at 7:30pm, then come back downstairs till i spot shes getting tired. Then we go upstairs i lie her in my bed put her teddies next to her and give her a bottle, sometimes she takes it sometimes she plays with her teddies she eventually takes her bottle and falls asleep though. When shes asleep i leave her for half a hour then i go the toilet if i can flush the chain without her waking i transfer her into her cot.

When she wakes up i change her bum and give her a bottle. Shes been falling back asleep but if she doesn't i leave her in the cot playing with her teddies and i lie down on the bed. If she cries i try her bottle again (the same bottle not another one) and she'll go back to sleep. I will not get her out of her cot though. She might wake up another time and i repeat the process. I don't get her out of her cot at all unless its passed 8am.

I've been lucky, as the last few nights shes been getting tired around 8:30 and in her cot by 10pm. Her 1st wake up is between 1 and 2 her 2nd wake up is between 4 and 5. Then she generally gets up at 8:20 for the day.

Also if i hear her stirring i try shushing her from my bed i don't touch her or move. Sometimes just hearing the shush makes her stay asleep. But if i don't do it she wakes.

Sorry that was so long, i'm not sure if it will help at all.

halestone Thu 16-May-13 15:12:02

Oh no Spotty i hope you get in somehow

Dp isn't answering his phone and ds doesn't even have a blanket. Dd hasn't got a cost on. I'm so pissed off what would happen if one of us was dying he wouldn't even know angry I know it's my fault not his but its cold out here and he won't be home for two and a half hours.

And dd didn't eat any lunch and ds is starting to cry as might I sad

halestone Thu 16-May-13 15:22:22

Could you ring a locksmith? Or are you in the car could you drive to DP's work? Sorry i know you've probably already thought of those ideas

No car keys either. I'm sitting in the shed grin luckily it's a brick one and nice and warm!

SkiBunnnnny Thu 16-May-13 15:34:56

Oh no Spotty can you pop in to a neighbours for a cup of tea while you keep trying dp?

SkiBunnnnny Thu 16-May-13 15:35:24

Does anyone else have a spare key?

Nope no one! None of my neighbours are in (and I don't know them really blush).

I got hold of dp. Can now add the shed to my list of bf places hmm

Secondsop Thu 16-May-13 15:44:28

Hello, sorry I've not been around for ages. Hope everyone is well. spotty i wouldn't want to have to bf in my shed - I can barely go in there without trying my hardest not to make direct eye contact with all the spiders!

The babies are getting so big now! I just put on cbeebies for Z (a slight creepy programme called baby jake) and blow me down if he isn't completely utterly transfixed by it! He's on the jumperoo but all jumperoo action stopped the minute I switched from cricket to cbeebies and he's as still as a statue watching the tv.

WLmum Thu 16-May-13 16:58:42

Glad you're back in spotty. When dd2 was a few weeks old I got locked out the front door with dd1&2 in the conservatory at the back (and in my pjs). Luckily a neighbour came and jumped over our locked side gate and unlocked it so I could at least see the girls. He also brought me a phone so I could call my mum to bring the spare key. Thankfully she only lived about 10 mins away.

seconds thanks to dd1&2 T has been a cbeebies fan since birth!

Dd just made ds giggle so much by tickling him. Super cute grin

WLmum Thu 16-May-13 21:03:40

That is cute spotty. Dd2 is really ticklish and I used to get the best baby giggles, still do but her flailing limbs are dangerous now. I so hope T gets ticklish - no sign yet.

WLmum Thu 16-May-13 21:14:24

Hope for a better night is fading fast - first wake up just 1.5 hours after going down. :-(

Ds was up before 8:30 too hmm

utopian99 Fri 17-May-13 04:46:25

I've taken to letting him sleep on me while we watch tv on an evening, so any wake ups are mer with instant boobage. It gives dh and I time to catch up/chat/watch stuff together but maybbe creating a problem for later. He goes down fairly easily atc9.30/10ish after being asleep from 8, 30ish for now..

IsThatTrue Fri 17-May-13 05:51:55

Hi all. Well today we're off on our road trip to Yorkshire to introduce Erhan to my nan. I can't wait. But we're also in the middle of having the boiler replaced as ours was leaking carbon monoxide and was condemned!! I didn't need this right now! DS has done a couple of great nights but last night was 3 wak ups and we've been up now since 4.50 and he's just not quite dropping off sad

Ds woke at 8:20 (?!) 11:30, 3:30 and up at 6:30 so a good night for us. I think dd is ill as she slept 90 minutes yesterday lunchtime, went to bed no problems (usually if she sleeps she takes hours to go to bed hmm) and is still asleep now even though we're all up. Think we will stay in today.

I got my giant play mat yesterday it's great grin it's this one

SeymoreButts Fri 17-May-13 07:36:11

Hello! Just checking in.

pidj we're up to 3 meals now and still breastfeeding round the clock too. <yawn>

mama I hope the jet lag improves soon. This time last year I took DS and DD back to the UK, DS had horrible jet lag and apparently the key is to get them out into daylight early in the morning. Because he was up all night I was letting him and me sleep in until mid morning. Apparently that's where I went wrong. I hope you can start to enjoy your trip soon. I left DH here in Aus and was desperate to get back to him/the house/the right time zone by the end of it!!

We had one 5 hour stretch of sleep this week but apart from that it's 2/3hrs and I'm feeding every time. I feel utterly shit by 5am, 6 months of this is starting to take its toll! DH got home early last night and could bath the big kids while I got DS to bed, it felt like such a luxury to have that bit of help!

I'm confused by the weeks thing now. DS is 22 weeks now so 5.5 months, but he was born on 3rd Dec so really 6 months. But he won't actually be 6 months until he's 26 weeks (when I should have waited to to wean) in 4 weeks time. <brain ache>

SeymoreButts Fri 17-May-13 07:41:20

Actually he's not 6 months at all! All these night feedings are bad for my IQ grin

Seymore I was just counting on my fingers looking like this --> confused
grin

PurplePidjin Fri 17-May-13 08:06:21

Seymore, R will be 6 months on sunday, he was born in November grin

Although he won't be 26 weeks till Monday hmm

Babies don't read books, if they're ready you'll know - and if they're not then there's no shame in being happy with milk! If you've got an exclusively milk fed 9 month old, then you might want to start pondering pushing things otherwise it's just like everything else - barring serious impediment, they all get there.

And you'd know by now about pretty much any serious impediment affecting eating

Pidj are you going to cook with cows milk ones R's six months?

SeymoreButts Fri 17-May-13 09:31:49

<whispers> I have a maths degree you know. blush I've been telling loads of people he's 6 months, now I know why they were giving me sympathetic smiles.

pidj I wish babies did read books, I was given a copy of the contented little baby book. I've been pointing out sections to DS, I'm still waiting for the 2 hour lunch time nap and the 12 hour stretch at night.

Dd was a gina baby blush I didn't even have to work at it she just did it. I can't see it working for bf babies though.

SeymoreButts Fri 17-May-13 09:43:58

spotty did you try it with DS? I wish DS would fall into some sort of pattern, he was more predictable as a newborn!

D is on 2 and a half meals a day and we've had 4isg hour stretches of sleep the past few nights... He's 29 weeks.

WLmum Fri 17-May-13 09:52:34

Tabs doubled her sleep time last night so was only up every 2 hours. Here's hoping she doubles it again tonight so we get 4 hourly wakes - yeah right!

Good news is dd1 is back to being a delight after a couple of days of boot camp. That and that I'm munching my way through a packet of Jaffa cakes with my cuppa.

WLmum Fri 17-May-13 09:55:43

Love it seymour. Who knew babies would result in inability to count and sometimes speak in coherent sentences!

No Seymore I didn't even bother. With dd she didn't even demand to be fed four hourly and was really sleepy so we really needed the structure to try and help with her weight gain. It's fine if ff but it doesn't take into account growth spurts or anything.... Sometimes ds wants feeding hourly in the day so it just wouldn't work! I think the EASY routine is probably better... Eat Activity Sleep You time (yeah right!).

WLmum Fri 17-May-13 11:55:13

You time? As in circa 2006?! T doesn't seem to have fed much this morning - because she's too full from the all night snack bar?

grin You time aka laundry/washing up/hoovering/cold cup of coffee!

Ds has fed three times since 6:30 and had a big bowl of porridge with 3oz milk in it plus some water (mostly dribbled out) hmm . I'm just bouncing him to sleep....

Hope you don't mind me crashing your thread but I have a Dec baby I needed some help with. He's my DC3 so you'd think I would know the answer myself but I am not sure. He has been very upset from 1am last night and just sleeping in short bursts. He has no temp so I thought teething? I've never seen a baby so upset by it though. My other two were unsettled but not the back arching and sobbing we had last night. I've given calpol and he's sleeping well now. So teeth? Or should I get my arse off sofa and down to Doctor? He does look pale, but nothing else.

Ignore, he's definitely ill sad <cleans sick from hair>

Hmm how are you feeding him? Anything any different? Other than the sick is he ok?

WLmum Fri 17-May-13 13:03:46

Hi sauce I've got 3 as well and sure don't know all the answers so you can hang out with me! Sorry to hear lo is feeling poorly. Personally I think if keep an eye on him for a bit before calling the dr - in my experience its hard to take them without any 'symptoms'. Back arching can be a sign of oesophageal/tummy discomfort as they try to stretch it out, but also temper if he's cross with whatever is bothering him. Last weekend dd was up crying which is very unlike her, I think she had a bit of a cold and sore throat but that bit is just a guess of course.

WLmum Fri 17-May-13 13:05:27

Dd was sick from her cold - I think her belly was just full of mucus that she couldn't process.

If you're worried now wouldn't hurt to make an apt with gp.

Thank you for your replies. DD2 and DS3 are both ill. I thought DD looked a bit tired. Temps and I think sore ears.

Dd's just named one of her toys sexy confused

WLmum Fri 17-May-13 15:42:10

Gangnam style?

emilyeggs Fri 17-May-13 15:44:48

Hello ladies <waves> I was in the Xmas pudding club with you, hope you are all doing well smile. Will try to post soon but have to go catch a dribbling rolling baby smile smile

grin It's amazing what they pick up! Not sure spotty dog appreciates his new name hmm

Welcome back emily I was wondering where you were!

emilyeggs Fri 17-May-13 15:59:04

I've been trying to figure out what hit me for the last 4 months! Lol, I'm doing ok now, trying to stick to the Gina Ford routine. I'll try and catch up but bight just have to pick up hear. Henry starting to sleep through the night but is an early riser! 5-6 o clock brewbrewbrew! I will post a pic of him. He has two teeth now shock

emilyeggs Fri 17-May-13 16:03:27

I've put pic on smile

emilyeggs Fri 17-May-13 16:24:47

Just seen your pics spotty and honey....what beautiful boys

Good luck with the routine emily. Ds doesn't have one really just a bedtime one but I'm hoping once he's weaned things will slot into place. I did it with dd and I will just say remember if it all goes wrong it doesn't matter because you can start again tomorrow smile

halestone Fri 17-May-13 17:06:25

Welcome Sauce, hope your LO's are feeling better soon.

Hiya Emily grin that picture is lovely.

We've just got back from the dentist grin Another tooth popped through this morning so H has 3 teeth and the dentist said theres 2 more about to come through. She was brilliant for the dentist just wanted to suck her finger. But as we were leaving i gave her one of her toys and she hit herself so hard i think shes getting a black eyehmm

PurplePidjin Fri 17-May-13 17:31:35

Yes, hopefully once he's tried enough foods I'll just mush up whatever we're having and shovel it in grin

Hello Sauce and Emily <waves>

We're just now getting a routine established. Meals at set times produces a big nap after lunch in his cot, plus odd ones at random times eg if we're in the car.

1/2 weetabix with pear for breakfast; 2 cubes of sweet potato, one of butternut squash, 1 tbsp rice and 1 oz apple for lunch! Tea is 1 each pear and parsnip (freezer labelling accident, was supposed to be cauliflower!) plus toast, but I'm never sure how much of it he'll eat so tend to over cater.

How quickly did you go up to two then three meals? I just want to be at the stage where he can eat what we eat it's such a bore preparing extra food grin

WLmum Fri 17-May-13 18:15:52

T has just fallen asleep in the sling - great timing! We've been trying out the hip hold today and she seems to really like it. We've had a bit of a break from the sling and its been lovely to have her in it again.

Lovely pics emily, your pg ones made me smile - such a neat bump! Your 40+3 looks like mine at about 5 months. I had the hugest bump - will add a pic to fb

PurplePidjin Fri 17-May-13 18:46:32

R was there within a couple of weeks, i just offered a single cube of veg at each meal which he wolfed down and squeaked for more. We tried gluten about 10 days ago, he's fine with that so we've started dairy. Once that's settled we'll do protein, then we're away onto grown up food. His month older cousin is refusing solids, it's very very individual just like all development. Milk is most important till they're 1 smile

Oh ok, well I've tried porridge so know he's ok with that. Will start doing that at breakfast and veg at lunch I think. The only part of the day where he wakes, feeds then sleeps that he's completely happy is the middle when he's had his porridge. I will keep him feeding 2-3 hourly and add ebm to his food. I will take him to get weighed in two weeks to ensure he's doing ok. Ah a plan grin

Has anyone got a breastfeeding necklace? I think we could do with one...

ISpyPlumPie Fri 17-May-13 19:05:15

Welcome Sauce and welcome back Emily.

Parsnip for tea here too - was a big hit. We're on two meals a day now,usually fruit for lunch and veg for tea. Quantities are gradually increasing - well, more seems to be going inside N rather than on the floor grin.

Had a nice day out at a farm park (up near your neck of the wood Hales). DS1 was far more interested in the toy tractors and diggers than the animals though. There were two new-born calfs, and the mother cow was staring into the middle distance looking exhausted - I know that feeling! N slept most of the way round in the sling, think the fresh air knocked him out.

PurplePidjin Fri 17-May-13 19:13:30

That was my plan Spotty, except he didn't like porridge so has weetabix instead!

WLmum Fri 17-May-13 20:27:00

What's one of them then? Is it for lo to fiddle with? T is a beast for putting her fingers in her mouth while feeding.

Yes baby can play with them and pull them etc. ds does that too hmm I don't usually notice until I hear slurping or get a painful latch!

PurplePidjin Fri 17-May-13 21:28:19

Www.gumigem.co.uk I've got one of these, doubles as a teether which is handy!

SkiBunnnnny Fri 17-May-13 21:37:48

Hello sauce and Emily!

No, spotty, but DS has taken to pulling my hair while feeding so maybe I need one or maybe I just need a haircut since its been around 8 months!

So many teeth! We still don't have signs of any.

Do any of you have babies that are sitting independently? LO can balance himself for a couple of seconds if I let him go but mostly just doesn't have any inclination to try. He will either straighten himself out so he slithers onto his back or tries to lunge face first into the floor. Not really worried, just curious!

FriendofDorothy Fri 17-May-13 21:56:00

I have a teething pendant. The Little Mister seems to quite like hanging off it.

ISpyPlumPie Fri 17-May-13 21:56:58

N had been mainly falling to the side or leaning too fsr forward resulting in him rolling onto his front when sitting up, but when he was getting ready for his bath tonigh he managed a few seconds sat up on his mat in the nude! I wonder if it's a bit like rolling - he could do that naked way before he could do it fully clothed.

Still think it'll be while before he's sitting confidently though, which is a shame because it seemed to get much easier when DS1 could sit up and play with more toys independently (until he started crawling off of course, then it got tricky again grin)

WLmum Fri 17-May-13 22:00:27

No sitting here.

halestone Fri 17-May-13 22:24:40

H sits but only for a couple of minutes, before toppling. Shes doing longer each day though, and lasts longer if shes concentrating on something else.

SeymoreButts Fri 17-May-13 23:35:25

No sitting here, and only rolling front to back so far. DS has just set a new PB, his first morning nap lasted exactly 5 minutes and now he's cooing happily. hmm

Are we posting pregnancy pics? I've got one DD took (so from below) that's good for a laugh...

SeymoreButts Fri 17-May-13 23:36:05

Also raspberry blowing has started in earnest, not so funny at 2 am though.

No sitting or rolling or sleeping zzzzz

IsThatTrue Sat 18-May-13 04:01:36

Hi everyone.

spotty I bought a few back laced that have big stones/beads on and are string so hurt less when DS pulls them. and are a lot cheaper than my normal jewellery they give him something to fiddle with and double as teethers.

Down at 8, feed at 8.45, up at 12.30, 3.30 and just gone back. I hope he goes through until morning, I'm tired.

No real weaning here, he's not 6 mo until 8th June so he's got a few weeks to go. I'm sure he would eat if I shovelled it in but I'm just so lazy! Lol

IsThatTrue Sat 18-May-13 04:02:14

Back laced? Necklaces hmm

Justsomehappygirl Sat 18-May-13 04:22:54

Hello!!wondering if anyone has some advice. The little man is 20 weeks, beautiful Xmas baby.

I keep finding him face down in the cot every morning- after rolling over in his sleep! If I wake up in the night and turn him onto his back he wakes up and doesn't fall back asleep. I also have this issue with the carry cot of the pram, he rolled 6 times in an hour whilst out today, and screamed the place down until I picked him up and he could see out. He can't sit up while supported yet, too young for the seat of the pram?

He's lovely and happy otherwise, but this rolling business is a bit of a pain! smile

emilyeggs Sat 18-May-13 06:40:11

justsome my ds does that, I often find him in the morning or after nap with his face down. He seems fine and can move his head to the side so I'm not worried about not being able to breath (if he didn't have the strength to do that then I might worry). Also my boy is 19 wks and in his seat unit to his push chair, mine is ok from 4 months but I have it in a half lay back position for comfort.

emilyeggs Sat 18-May-13 06:45:42

skibunny no sitting hear also but plenty of rolling. seymore Henry is also raspberry blowing! Not good in the que at the supermarket

Justsome my ds only sleeps on his tummy in his cot and in his pushchair so I wouldn't worry if that's how he's happy. Ds has been in his seat unit since birth as it goes flat but for the past few weeks I've sat it up as he much prefers it smile

We had a really shit night. He didn't settle until 7:30 was up at 10 then 12:30 but wouldn't settle at all so I had to put him into bed with me. He fed just before 4 then I managed to get him to sleep in his cot.

Dp is working today so no chance to nap sad

emilyeggs Sat 18-May-13 07:04:52

Poor you spotty, I've got to say, although some days H can be quite moany he's never been too bad in the night. He goes down in his room at 7 no fuss and gets himself to sleep, dream feed at 10 and up at about 6. The last few night his been waking hungry at 2:30-3:30. Think it's because I've stopped using hungry baby milk as he started to not finish his bottle/ push bottle away and I found it too stressful.

halestone Sat 18-May-13 07:57:19

Welcome Justsome, my pram had a bit hidden in it where i could put it in a sitting position. I just had to lift the head end and it has a bar under it kind of like a sunlounger. I would have never realised if my mum hadn't pointed it out.

Some people may want to look away now, as i am going to type something you may not like. But i am doing an irish jig with a huge smile plastered on my face. She slept for 8.5 hours from 11pm last night till 7:30 and she looks like shes going to finish her bottle and go back to sleep now gringringringringringringringringringringringrin

emilyeggs Sat 18-May-13 08:32:28

grin hale, although slightly jealous. Henry fighting his nap at the moment brew

WLmum Sat 18-May-13 08:54:14

hales so very jealous but you totally deserve it after the months of zero sleep!
justsome hi! Mine is a tummy sleeper in her cot (has been from 6 weeks) but will nap happily on her back in her pram - crazy baby! If he's comfy that way I'd leave him tbh but if he's screaming in his pram... Try the most reclined seat mode and see how he goes. We have managed to get a half way position still in the carrycot mode but with the back tilted a bit (is a bend in the bottom third of the unit ready for it to become a seat. She prefers this as she can see a bit and better for her reflux.

We had the best night in ages - just one wake up at 1.45. It did take me til 3 to settle her though! Then asleep til 6. After her feed I had a hollow victory in that as I put her down she woke a bit and I managed to pat her to sleep - cue smugness, but about 10 mins later she flipped onto her back and talked/growled so so loudly. I ignored her until she started to winge when I flipped her back to her tummy and patted her but after a bit she got upset so it was back on the boob. Try again tonight.

spotty Jaffa cakes are the answer.

I haven't got anything yummy in WL! Don't fancy driving twenty minutes to the nearest shop either hmm

I was struggling to get ds to sleep by patting his bum (our usual way at nap time) but then I held his hand and he went straight off smile he ate all his porridge at breakfast today

WillYouDoTheVikivaki Sat 18-May-13 09:17:40

Morning all, welcome everyone.

We had a fantastic night last night (10-7:45) but I'm really struggling to get him to go to sleep at night. It's getting in for 10pm everyday despite me taking him up at 8 when he starts rubbing his eyes and yawning. Any advice? It doesn't make a difference when he gets up, yesterday he woke up at 6am, had 2 30 minute naps all day and still only went to bed at 10.

I need some evening time! 6am-10pm constatly on duty is killing me off!

Hmm not sure WillYou....have you tried an earlier bedtime? Say starting at six?

halestone Sat 18-May-13 10:26:52

She only woke up again at 9:30 grin

WL maybe it was the 1st time of settling T like that but she'll let you do it all the time now.

Willyou, i have no ideas to help you but if it helps i spend all night in bed now from when she shows her 1st sleep signs till she wakes up the next morning. I'm looking forward to getting my evening back as well

What are people's opinions on baby walkers? (I have a feeling this has been discussed before) Dash shows no desire to crawl but is getting frustrated as wants to walk but thought I'd read somewhere that they aren't very good for them.

They aren't good for them really but twenty minutes a day should be fine smile that's the max I allow ds in the door bouncer.

Is it the way it holds their hips that's the problem? D lives his jumperoo but the crotch dangling hold worries me

It's the way it makes them walk on their toes I think....first thing physio asked me when dd was toe walking was if she had a walker

Barbeasty Sat 18-May-13 11:30:20

You also need to be careful where you use them. There's the obvious not using it near steps/ stairs. But also they can reach stuff, so baby proofing needs to start.

I left A on his mat while I had a shower this morning. While I was getting dressed I heard his going to sleep groany noise. When I went into the lounge I couldn't see him! Walked in a little further and he had rolled across the floor before falling asleep. So that's it, baby proofing to begin in earnest.

DH has had to take his car for its MOT. DD was playing up a bit, and being silly with A first thing this morning. Bless DH, he packed her favourite game and has taken her with him so I just have A (currently talking to & laughing at a toy on his mat). They're going for A walk in the woods & lunch to give me a nice quiet day.

envy Barbeasty! Love the rolling!

Well after his porridge for breakfast ds just ate a whole veg pouch shock (blush I know, I know I am just waiting for the food shopping to come with some fresh veg in it!). I've always been told that they will refuse when they've had enough and never over eat..... He's also managing to swallow a bit more water rather than dribble it out.

grin spotty ive been told they'll refuse when they're full too... Never experienced it yet though!

WillYouDoTheVikivaki Sat 18-May-13 12:31:43

See if I did an early bedtime starting at 6 though he'd never eat anything! He usually eats 12 oz of milk between 6 and 9 and then doesn't usually eat until morning. I've got a feeling this may be a wait until he's weaned and sort it then problem.

WillYouDoTheVikivaki Sat 18-May-13 13:31:46

Jamie fandango, I dub thee sir whingealot! grin

Ds just screamed for food only an hour and a bit after last feed. So fed up of this hmm ff looking much more inviting again...

Stacks Sat 18-May-13 15:26:01

Spotty - if he has reflux he may actually be screaming for antacid - which just happens to be your breast milk. I'm not sure if formula is also an antacid, he may actually be worse on it.. I always try and think of T as uncomfortable/in pain and I'm helping him. Gives me much more patience with the constant feeding and screaming.

T and I both have colds, so sleeping is even worse again. Still, doctors next week to hopefully get him on something better than the gaviscon. The weather here has turned dull and horrible too, so were stuck in the house feeling grey on a grey day sad I might have to make cake.

I'm not convinced it is reflux now stacks confused

IsThatTrue Sat 18-May-13 15:56:54

We have been practising rolling, and have worked out how to shuffle our body round in circles, with these new skills we can pretty much reach anywhere after a fashion.

I forgot to bring the sling with us to my nans so our shopping trip today consisted of ds2 shouting a lot as he was in the buggy, which he doesn't mind in short doses but not for 3 hrs. I can't remember who it was that asked but ds2 is 23 weeks and he is in the normal seat unit of our pushchair, I usually recline it to the first position so he's not bolt upright, and he's got the padding of his buggy snuggle that helps keep him up. But he's for quite good trunk/neck strength as it is.

We're now lying in bed having a feed as when we're out and about he will only snack be size the whole world is too interesting to stay on and feed properly!

Secondsop Sat 18-May-13 16:27:22

Still no proper rolling here! He would be able to do it but can't seem to work out how to get his arm away. He's rolled twice before and then seemingly forgot all about it!

Z has baby acne. I think that's what it is - tiny pimples on his forehead. I didn't think they got it at this age - I thought it was more for newborns? He's not breastfed so it's not hormones from breast milk. Do I just leave it to go away by itself?

Is it dry seconds? If not I would just leave it. It should only last a week or so.

Ds just rolled front to back in his cot hmm I heard a bang and it was his head against the bars he wasn't phased though!

Indian tonight grin

Secondsop Sat 18-May-13 17:00:48

Yes it's dry - it looks more like very textured skin than pimples but is definitely pimples. Will leave it well alone.

Curry here tonight too! Curry and Eurovision. Am low-carbing so mine will be with roasted and steamed veg instead of rice but I am looking forward to it so much it's ridiculous.

I tend to just have sauce and loads of popadoms blush

If it's dry you could use aqueous cream on it, that's what they prescribed for dd but it really should just go away on its own

Ds has taken to laughing every time I look at him hmm

SkiBunnnnny Sat 18-May-13 17:17:49

DS has little pimples on his forehead too but might be from wearing sun cream.

He is rolling with definite intent now and shimmying round in a circle but still remains in roughly the same place I left him. I'm hoping we can put off child proofing until we move house on 1 July...

shockshock Dd has just been sick all over her and my sofa. She's never been sick in her life. I've come and put her in the bath leaving the mess to dp blush

WLmum Sat 18-May-13 17:32:14

Poor dd spotty. My top tips for puking children is dress them in clothes that unbutton like shirts or pjs so not over the head, and cover their pillow and top of bed with towels - so much easier to whip away in the night than changing sheets etc.

Curry here too but I'm going out with the gals! If T us a good girl and stays settled after bedtime. Not sure if she'll be affected by the loads if sleep she's had today.

Argh we don't have any button up things. She's full of beans again now is that normal, will she suddenly feel ill again in a bit? confused She asked why she's spilt her spaghetti grin

WLmum Sat 18-May-13 18:19:36

Personally I'm a fan of walkers. Dd1 loved hers, she didn't roll and was a late crawler but whizzed about in her walker so gave her the ability to explore etc. as others have said, common sense safety guidelines - not near steps, watch what they can reach and not too much time in them. Dd2 wasn't fussed by it, just used it as a seat and play/snack tray. Will try dd3 in it in due course.

WLmum Sat 18-May-13 18:22:18

Bless her spotty! If she's fine now might just have been something she needed to get rid of rather than being 'ill'. You'll soon know!

WillYouDoTheVikivaki Sat 18-May-13 18:22:24

She might feel poorly again soon Spotty or she might have got it all out. It's a wait and see situation.

Curry and Eurovision here too! I sense a theme. I'm on the Eurivision thread, I've got Iceland (hence the name change) feel free to cheer along with me grin

J rolls all day and all night, he just started doing it the week before last, both ways at once and now I can leave him for a second. Yesterday I took some shoes upstairs and when I got back he was just about to chew the plug on the Hoover shock. He's an absolute menace.

He's knackered, teething and soooo whingy today. I can't cheer him up, DP's just rocked him to sleep so it'll be another late bedtime for us I'm past caring as long as he stops moaning

All she's eaten today is a bowl of cereal 1/4 of a slice of toast and half a tin of spaghetti blush so she's obviously been feeling off colour...

We're putting the dc to bed early (right now) as we're hungry and the Indian doesn't deliver.

itsMYNutella Sat 18-May-13 18:29:19

I find 5 minutes to try and in vain catch up and you're all talking about curry! grin
I would love a decent curry! Shame it can't be posted over. I haven't yet found a really tasty Indian place. There are some ok places but nowhere I'm dying to go back to hmm I'm going to have to do some spice shopping and see what I can whizz up in the kitchen grin

Barbeasty Sat 18-May-13 18:32:11

Spotty I think it depends why they've been sick. We went to TGI Friday's once, and DD threw up her whole meal, and was trying to eat more pepper batons between bouts, couldn't understand why we wouldn't let her.

If she seems ok then let her drink some water, and see if she can keep that down. If she does and is still up/ hungry in an hour you could dry her with some plain toast or something.

No Indian here, DH is still on soup!

She's in bed now, we couldn't get her to drink anything hmm

Actually there's chicken pox everywhere, dd's nursery has it and a few of my friends children have it... Can it start with sickness?? She's been really under the weather the past few days sad

WLmum Sat 18-May-13 20:13:55

Oh yeah, there's a few cases I know of round here too. Sickness is not usually a symptom. Try a syringe for giving her water - the novelty sometimes helps!

SkiBunnnnny Sat 18-May-13 20:16:40

Oh dear spotty. Hope she's feeling better and it's not chicken pox. Do they not get vaccinated against it now?

Nope not in the UK. You can buy it for £120 but there's uncertainty about how long it lasts for etc I think

SkiBunnnnny Sat 18-May-13 20:59:33

Hmm... Interesting. When DS had his 4m shots there was a wee girl around 4 or 5 getting the chicken pox vaccine. I think it's standard here. Hadn't heard about it not lasting though.

I don't know much about it ski but my niece has had it and I know she needs a booster before she gets pregnant confused she's only two. Also I'm not sure how long it's been around? What it comes down to though is that it's not cost effective therefore not available on the nhs grin

WillYouDoTheVikivaki Sat 18-May-13 21:58:04

DS is still bloody up. EASY routine starts tomorrow I'm afraid. Time to get tough before I crack up!

FriendofDorothy Sat 18-May-13 22:29:58

Argh Little Mister is still up!

WillYouDoTheVikivaki Sat 18-May-13 22:49:53

Sob FoD we need a late night baby support group

FriendofDorothy Sat 18-May-13 23:20:50

I managed to get him to sleep by lying in a dark, silent room and feeding him.

We are away for the week with the inlaws. I already feel suicidal!

WillYouDoTheVikivaki Sun 19-May-13 00:13:49

DP did the same. Night all

ISpyPlumPie Sun 19-May-13 00:37:18

First night in cot not a success so far - third wake up already. He's just too big for the crib now though so we'll have to persevere.

Oy second wake up here so pretty good for us!

Only* hmm

Why is an excellent four hour stretch always followed by a crappy two hour stretch?!

IsThatTrue Sun 19-May-13 04:26:40

I don't know spotty ds2 does that as well.

I've hardly slept as we're co-sleeping and he wouldn't go down on his back so was sleeping on his front in with me and kept burying his face in the (quite soft) mattress. So I had to keep poking him to move. He's finally asleep on his back thank god as in 7.5 hrs I have a 200 mile drive. So I'm off for some sleep!

WLmum Sun 19-May-13 07:23:13

Well I'm going to try pidjs idea of taping bin bags over the windows! I'm fed up with these 5 am starts - got a grand total of about 3.5 hours sleep last night. First wake was about 12 when I was still awake as I'd been out and not home til after 11. She was up again at 3ish and not back down til 4.30, then up again for the day just after 5. This keeps happening so in desperation I'm going to try covering the windows in case it's the light.

I'm off to a baby shower later today.

How's dd spotty?

Thanks for asking smile she's still asleep at the moment. She got up about 12:30 to have a wee (no spots) then I fell asleep until 1:45 when ds woke only to year dd and dp talking in her room. I went in and all I got was 'but I'm not tired at all mummy' hmmgrin so she seems to be fine!

Sorry you had a rubbish night. Ours was pretty typical - 9:20,1:45,4:05 up at 6:30. He was in bad at 6:30 last night so I expected an early first wake up!

FriendofDorothy Sun 19-May-13 07:58:52

We are on holiday and staying in a hotel with the tallest bed ever. Makes co sleeping scary!

The Little Mister refused to go to sleep until after 10pm but then woke up at 4 am for a feed and stayed in our bed. Not too bad.

Lovely hotel but I was so hot last night.

WLmum Sun 19-May-13 08:06:07

She's full of beans bouncing herself crazy in her bouncy chair.

Have just suggested tues 11th June for meet up on fb.

Well dd and dp have just got up. Dd is fine confused

PurplePidjin Sun 19-May-13 09:20:27

6 months today shock

Stacks Sun 19-May-13 13:11:36

Happy 6 month day R!

We're having a bit of a grumpy day here. T sounded better last night with his cold, definitely less snotty and coughing, still slept poorly though and just hasn't been that happy today. Weather is horrible again, we have fog and constant drizzle. Trying to get housework done, but with T fussing DH and I are having to take it in turns to clean. I'd really like just a few minutes "me" time though. The weekend is the only chance I get and it's slowly but surely slipping away sad I'll try and beg an hour off of DH in a little while.

Still not much rolling here. I was trying to encourage some earlier during nappy free time but he's just not that interested. We're also doing EASY today, it works ok as long as we start it first thing in the morning. I can hear "real" crying now though with DH trying to put him down sad

PurplePidjin Sun 19-May-13 13:52:06

Stacks, get dh to take T out for a walk. Works wonders for R when he's grottering. I send them to Lidl with a list, then they go to Costa for a coffee and some old lady fussing! I get a good couple of hours to myself that way, and the boys love their bonding time smile i send them just after a feed and bum change, and they come back ready for the next one iyswim

Amazing pidj. I'm lucky to get ten minutes alone on a Sunday to do my make up hmm sad

PurplePidjin Sun 19-May-13 14:17:24

shockconfusedsad it's dp's favourite thing to do. He also takes over at 6 and brings R down to play and have breakfast now he's on solids so i can catch up on sleep. Isn't that just part of being a team?

Dp only has one day off a week so today, for example, we've all been out this morning (to look for a bike for dd) and now he's trimming the hedge/mowing the lawn/hanging out the washing. In the evenings he puts dd to bed and I put ds to bed and in the mornings he gets dd breakfast whilst I feed ds then he's gone sad

We're similar spotty DH does what he can when he's around but he's at work most of the time and needs to get some rest/downtime in order to be able to function at work

Dp gets his rest time in the evening once I've gone to bed grin there always seems to be things that need doing though it's never ending.

Ds just burst into tears proper screaming even boob didn't settle him. Dp has taken him upstairs and he stopped straight away hmm

FriendofDorothy Sun 19-May-13 17:24:05

The Little Mister has started biting my nipple. He kind of stops sucking and then if I put the nip back in he bites down hard.

Does anyone have any experience or advice on this?

Barbeasty Sun 19-May-13 19:27:02

I was advised to take the baby off and just put them down and ignore them for a minute or 5 (depending on age).

That way they don't get any attention or reward from it.

I personally found with DD that shouting ow could scare her, but then I had a crying baby to deal with. The shouting wasn't voluntary, babies shouldn't be allowed teeth!

I finally managed to move the cot into my room. Only taken a month.

WillYouDoTheVikivaki Sun 19-May-13 19:33:22

First day of EASY aaaand...

Fast asleep in bed by 7:15, even if he gets up again in a bit it's worth it for an hour now to watch Sherlock to spend time with DP

Great news Willyou!

Ouch FoD, we haven't had that yet but ds has taken to smacking me in the face when feeding hmm

IsThatTrue Sun 19-May-13 19:49:15

Ds2 has been really grabby today, face, ears, hair, anything. I think he's angry at me for ignoring his crying in the car on the way home. He cried for 20 mins and fell asleep. And since we've been home he's been a Velcro baby, which really doesn't help while I'm trying to straighten my house out after the new boiler was installed. I still have a living room full of junk. But the big kids rooms and the kitchen are 90% there. I've also got some washing done and some bread on.

I'm glad dd is feeling better and it doesn't appear to be the dreaded pix spotty

willyou well do r with the bedtime. I had to wait until after I put DS1 to bed before I could feed ds2 to sleep, but he's just gone off and I'm about to do the cot transfer. So my evenings start at 8pm once all 3 dcs are in bed (dd goes at 8).

WLmum Sun 19-May-13 19:55:15

fod T did that for a while - ouch! But it passed quite quickly.

spotty and honey we're similar. DH does what he can and will take the girls downstairs in the morning if possible to let me have a sleep but he is often gone for work by 6.45 or not home til after 11, and as you say, he does need a bit if time off too. I let him rest last night and this morning. pidj it definitely has to be team work, especially with 3 dcs but I am sometimes in danger of forgetting that he gets tired too just because I'm 'tireder'.
As you say spotty there's always a ton that doesn't get done.

WLmum Sun 19-May-13 19:56:09

T has slept a lot again today - hope it doesn't affect her night too much. Bin bags are up!

Stacks Sun 19-May-13 20:08:19

Spotty - I finally did the nursery curtains today, so I have that blackout fabric for you if you're still interested? Pm me your address and I'll send it your way for just postage costs.

FoD - T sort of bites my nipple quite often, I think with me though he's trying to stop the flow of milk for a little while. I don't have oversupply or a particularly strong let down (afaik) but he likes to suck to sleep, and milk keeps him awake. The HV at our breastfeeding group recommends pushing baby into your breast when they bite, it will block their breathing and force them to break the latch (without more pain for you) then say a clear stern "No". They'll quickly learn not to bite (apparently , I've not tried it myself).

Pidg - DH isn't very confident with T on his own. Though he's getting better and will take him out for a walk if he's expecting T to sleep. We also don't really live near anything interesting within walking distance. I can send him to Lidl (and did this evening) but there's no coffee shops or anything, and it's only 5 minutes away.

I started this post hours ago. Dinner was late this evening so I've fed T to sleep on the sofa, and just transferred him into his pram. Hoping he'll sleep there for a little while before I take him up to bed.

So, I want to get T out of our bed. Has anyone tried a 3 side cot by the bed? Moving LO into/out of it through the night when feeding. I'm nervous of just going to a proper cot as he's always been impossible to get down in his crib. He goes down ok in his pram, but it's that or in bed with me, nothing else has ever worked.

Side car-ing the cot sounds like a good idea to me, I know plenty of people who do it and then have no problems with the baby going into the cot properly once they're older. I will PM you, thanks smile

DP went outside with dd this afternoon and did some gardening but DS wasn't going to settle so I didn't get much of a break.

WLmum Sun 19-May-13 20:17:10

No personal experience stacks but lots of people seem to like them. When I started moving Tabs out of my bed I just out her in her cot after feeding to sleep and only brought her in with me if she wouldn't settle, and then put her in her cot whenever I woke. Gradually I guess she got used to the idea but I do always have to feed her completely to sleep. Next thing to tackle I guess!

I feed to sleep too.... Once he's six months I think I will introduce a ff at first wake up and see what happens. He sometimes stirs and has a fidget when I put him down and then goes off. Nap time is still cuddles, onto tummy then patting his bum/holding his hand whilst he moans to sleep grin

halestone Sun 19-May-13 20:48:41

Happy 6 months R

I have no experience either Stacks but i like the idea of those cots. Like others have said i think it will make the transition from bed to cot much easier.

Isthat hope DS is ok now after your drive and that your ok as well.

FoD hope you have a nice time on holiday grin

IsThatTrue Sun 19-May-13 21:40:10

Thanks hales well he hasn't woken yet <touch wood> I've sorted washing, eaten, and sorted some bits. I have to sort a cupboard in the kitchen before the kids get up as there's no room for them to eat breakfast as yet. Then shower and bed.

Fx all babies sleep well tonight!

WLmum Sun 19-May-13 21:49:51

So tired!

IsThatTrue Sun 19-May-13 22:22:48

Is she not sleeping WL ?

I think DS is glad to be back in his own bed tonight.

FriendofDorothy Sun 19-May-13 22:25:34

The Little Mister has been a nightmare to get to sleep again tonight. I don't know whether it is a different house, a different cot, being out all day, sleeping more or less (I am not sure which!) in the car or just being a grumpy sod.

My MIL ended up putting him in the buggy and walking until he dropped off. We have yet to transfer him to cot1

ISpyPlumPie Sun 19-May-13 22:56:31

Happy half year R!

FOD - I had a terrible time with DS1 biting me, managed to cause quite a bit of damage. I got the same advice as Stacks -push LO towards you to break the latch, and say "no" firmly. He did eventually stop doing it, but he was so little it's difficult to know really whether it was this that made the difference or it was just a stage he was going to grow out of anyway. N's had a couple of chomps as well, which have been very painful but not caused any harm so far.

Spotty - glad your DD is better and seems to have avoided the pox.

halestone Mon 20-May-13 00:10:50

Tonight is going to be awful shes on her 3rd wake up hmm

We had a good night of only two wakings smile well I suppose it was actually three as ds has just gone back to sleep but 6am is generally considered getting up time in this house. Just waiting for dd to get up to see if she should go to nursery or not. She's not 100% but she's always happier and better behaved there hmm

Hope everyone managed to get some sleep. It's going to be 18 degrees today!

Barbeasty Mon 20-May-13 07:18:28

Spotty, 18 degrees would be amazing, it's pouring with rain at the moment.

It's going to stay cloudy but be warmer smile for a couple of days anyway...

Ds just ate all his porridge. He gets so excited when he sees it and his cup!

WillYouDoTheVikivaki Mon 20-May-13 07:49:11

Good night last night! J woke at 8pm to finish his bottle, then straight back down. Then he woke at 3;30am and then up for the day at 7:20! shocksmile

It was lovely hAving an evening to ourselves for once even if it doesn't last.

Sorry to hear of the bad nights hope you got some sleep FoD and hales

IsThatTrue Mon 20-May-13 08:11:08

Not a great night here, he slept 8-2 then 2.30-4 and was up until 6.15 hmm he finished feeding at 6.15 and is just stirring now. I feel a bit like the walking dead atm! In total I got 4.5 hrs broken sleep, > insert very tired emoticon here <

WLmum Mon 20-May-13 09:20:59

Bin bags rule! She slept for an extra 2 hours! 7.15 instead of 5.15! And she settled much better after her 3.30 feed as I fed her sitting up not lying down so I guess she was a bit refluxy before. Still took nearly an hour but with much less shouting and more patting in the cot. I feel like a real person again.

WillYouDoTheVikivaki Mon 20-May-13 09:28:56

Sorry to hear that isthat are you working today too?

J is currently in his cot for his nap but he's throwing a right strop so I can't see it working!

Stacks Mon 20-May-13 09:44:42

I woke up this morning feeling like we had a great night, but compared to other babies still pretty bad - slept 7-8 on me, 8-9 in pram downstairs, 9-11, 11-1:30, 2:30-5, 5-6, 6-7, then 7-8! I was counting that as one wake up... Still, I feel better today for getting to sleep most of those core night hours. Up at 8 is unheard of here too, it's usually between 6 and 7.

We're following EAST again today - eat, activity, sleep and tidy. He's just gone down for a nap in his pram now, no screaming just pushing back and forth for 10 mins. We need to get rid of this cough though. He wakes up coughing every few minutes, and it's what caused the hour long wake up last night. Every time he got to sleep he'd have a coughing fit. He's just woken himself up now after just 10 minutes sad

Lumpy avocado a success!

WillYou I'm glad you had a good night smile

Stacks you had a 3.5 hour stretch in there that's good by our standards!

I'm still trying to sort out the insurance claim for our car accident eight months ago angry

WLmum Mon 20-May-13 12:15:13

Lumps already! He is doing so well.

Well I didn't mash it very well blush but avocado is so soft anyway it's my favourite weaning food! So easy smile he's refusing sleep today though. Three cases of chicken pox at nursery over the weekend. I just hope she doesn't get it before Saturday as we have a wedding to go to!

Mmm avocado Spotty, I'm quite looking forward to eating all the leftovers when i wean j.

Glad T had a bit of a lie in WL and hope your DS feels better soon Stacks

DS is HUNGRY today, he's demanding food every 2.5 hours. 4 7oz bottles so far. He's also started to rub his own head while eating, he's rubbed one side red raw. Hoping he'll go back to sleep, hunger woke him from his nap. And now he's stunk out the conservatory with a poo shock

PurplePidjin Mon 20-May-13 14:56:19

Down at 7 then wake ups at 10 12 2 4 and 5, up for the day at 5:45 when daddy brought him down for breakfast.

He had 1/2 weetabix with bm and pear for breakfast then 1/2oz butternut, 1/2oz parsnip, 1/2oz cheese and 2 tbsp pasta for lunch washed down with a bread crust and 1/3 of an Ella's pouch shock

He has to drop some feeds soon, right?!

Oh, and he eats more if i hold him from half way through. Think he gets tired of sitting up before he gets full iyswim

DS hasn't even had an hours sleep today hmm he will definitely be in bed by 6:30!

Pidj this whole 'your baby only needs a teaspoon of food' is certainly not true is it?! They're bottomless pits! Is R having a developmental leap?

Apparently there's a big anti co sleeping report coming out tomorrow which is going to be tabloid and breakfast tv news...

Stacks Mon 20-May-13 17:48:43

We've had a good day here. I've interrupted all of T's naps so far today. He's stayed quite happy though. When your LO wakes up, are they happy, grumpy, or screaming? DS sometimes wakes up really screaming and I'm never sure why. Is it "normal"?

We went out for a picnic in the park today. It's been a funny hat and humid day, but no rain so actually really nice. I gave T a bit of raw carrot to play with, but his best toy of the day has been ... a packet of Quavers. He loves the crinkle and ease of holding, it's chewable and flingable smile Why do I buy toys? I'm looking forward to weaning him though, we were the only baby there not eating, though also the youngest.

Stacks Mon 20-May-13 17:50:18

I started that post ages ago, got distracted a couple of times, and have ended up with a very confused and disjointed post. Sorry.

WLmum Mon 20-May-13 18:27:07

pidj and spotty you've got a couple of lovely guzzlers there! Dd1 didn't ever show any signs of naturally dropping milk feeds when she was weaned so I had to start shrinking them - she was ff though so easy to monitor, not sure it's so easy with bfing! Might be that their using bf as a drink as digesting food will draw water into the gut so might be extra thirsty while they adjust.

Will wait that report spotty - my hv certainly wasn't anti.

stacks T tends to be v happy when she wakes/is woken. Yr lo might be sad if reflux has woken him - T often wakes/stirs being a bit sick but luckily doesn't generally seem bothered. I do think it bothers her in the night when she wakes being sick though - I guess longer laying down and less distractions.

Stacks sometimes ds Wales crying, I usually assume it's pain that's woken him as he mostly wakes happy.

WL I'm not sure what the content is or how reliable it is hmm

PurplePidjin Mon 20-May-13 18:48:31

I was taught safe cosleeping in the MLU hmm

R has grown 6cm and is now 68cm long, well over the 50th centile. Last month he was 62 and bang on the 9th. He sits in the highchair and on the floor unsupported for a few minutes, rolls both ways, chats and plays and has lots of wet and dirty nappies. I will brave the hv tomorrow to have him weighed!

PurplePidjin Mon 20-May-13 18:50:09

Feeds have got shorter, but he's done that periodically anyway. He gets water at every meal, and often food is made up with bm - weetabix, rice etc.

It's probably just going to be a load of scaremongering! Or they feel it's the only way to reach people who don't adhere to the safe guidelines?

Oh Pidj I'm sure he will be a good weight smile DS has dropped five lines and HV didn't bat an eyelid

halestone Mon 20-May-13 20:23:18

We had 7 wake ups last night and a velcro baby today. FX for a better night i'm pretty sure her next teeth are about to make an appearance she keeps shaking her head from side to side and rubbing her ears.

Stacks H wakes up mostly happy but occasionally wakes up abit grumpy and wanting to come round before she smiles.

ISpyPlumPie Mon 20-May-13 20:38:09

Sounds like he's absoultely thriving Pidge.

He keeps biting me. It really hurts. I don't want to get to the stage of dreading each feed again sad.

WLmum Mon 20-May-13 21:17:09

Really interested to see what his gain is pidj

WLmum Mon 20-May-13 22:08:09

DH has got man flu. I'm such a horribly unsympathetic wife! It's just that when I'm I'll, I don't get a day off, or even a night off for that matter. Scroogey type emoticon!

IsThatTrue Mon 20-May-13 23:16:52

1st wake up although it doesn't really count as I haven't made it to bed yet. I did get some work done and the dishwasher, washing machine and bread maker are all on. I've said goodbye to my mum so I shouldn't have her distracting me anymore! Lol. I think DS will miss her though he's become quite attached.

Ispy the biting sounds shit. DS has only done it once so far although he does randomly beat his free arm against my boobs hmm which can hurt quite a lot.

I think DS must be growing because today he has mainly fed and slept, although he is doing major developmental stuff too. He's learnt how to push the buttons on two different toys to get them to make noises. He's now rolling back to front without a second thought. He also shimmies round in circles on his belly to get to toys. He's starting to do crawling movements although at the moment the only add up to a small amount of backward wiggling as he's not coordinated it all together yet. No signs of sitting yet as he doesn't sit still enough so overbalances really quickly. ( while reaching for toys etc). Where's my baby gone?!

Am I the only one not weaning yet? DS is 23.5 weeks.

2blessed Mon 20-May-13 23:18:23

<waves>
Not been able to keep up with you lot grin. Seems a lot of LO's teeth are beginning to make their appearance. Hope they're not causing too much discomfort.
DS is still getting over his cold and he has stopped sleeping through which means I'm now constantly knackered. Hoping this is just a passing phase or connected to the cold.

I know what you mean WL I felt really rotten a couple of weeks ago and I just had to carry on.

Secondsop Mon 20-May-13 23:49:48

Why will this child not sleep? He's laughing and wanting to play!

Five hours to first wake up grin

halestone Tue 21-May-13 01:47:58

Yay well done Spotty.

WL i totally sympathise, i don't think most men actually get it and if we did nothing when we were ill. They wouldn't know what had hit them.

utopian99 Tue 21-May-13 03:19:45

Well done spotty!

Ds has been ill today; not crying or fussing but very snuffly and hugely sick even compared to his normal standard. Poor little crumb.
He's also just pooed through his nappy and vest and baby gro, so full change and back for more milk. I have little smiley dark eyes looking up at me but I don't want to respond too much and wake him further. Horrid unresponsive mummy.

We're just starting on finger food as he's only just coming up to 5 months. Am going to be BLW so using his nap time to swot up, when I should really be working. Have a new project in the early stages so when ds falls asleep it's straight to work, housework as become a bit cursory at the moment, but I don't want to do it at weekends because that's our time with dh. Slummy mummy.

FriendofDorothy Tue 21-May-13 03:43:30

We're not weaning yer either. Boy wonder is 5 months or so. Will start when we get back from holiday c

Second wake up grin this is out best night in over two months!

Poor ds utopian sad

If I was ill dp would take the day off work to look after the dc, he did before when we just had dd and I had an ear infection. It's really rare either of us are ill and I think we've both had one day off work in six years so if I ask for help he knows I need it!

halestone Tue 21-May-13 04:24:24

Hope DS is better soon Utopian. I think housework does take a 2nd step i'm going to ask my mum to come round and watch H while i tidy even if i just do my bedroom i'll be happy. I also give H alot of finger foods today she took some asparagus off my plate and happily played with it. I would say she ate about 1/3 of it and yesterday she ate 2 strawberries grin

We've not started weaning yet, J's 22.5 w. I'm going to BLW too. I have already had lots of Head shaking when I say this and everyone seems to think I'm super PFB because I've not started shovelling baby rice in him yet.

DP doesn't get ill much and gives zero sympathy when you are. It's all from his DM who never ever let him have a day off sick; she wouldn't believe him when he broke his wrist and still sent him to school. I like sympathy when I'm ill grin and am very sympathetic to others. I feel a battle coming in the future when DS is ill.

Oh WillYou I'm like your dh!

Ds is 26 weeks/six months on Monday. I really wanted to wait until then to wean but it was do it now or lose the will to live grin

The co sleeping article isn't in the news yet... this is it though

So I haven't fed from my left side since midnight. I'm trying to e press from it (usually get 3-4oz) and I'm hardly getting anything sad

IsThatTrue Tue 21-May-13 08:01:09

From the article it says x number of the cot deaths could have been prevented by not bed sharing ?! How can they say this when the cause of cot death is unknown. If it was caused by bed sharing surely that would be suffocation or similar?

If also doesn't have any details on wether the parents were practising safe co-sleeping or not.

Bloody media hysteria if you ask me, proper education is what is needed, not scaremongering.

It's a peer review of a study from the nineties hmm it doesn't take info account obesity or prescription meds or, like you say, safe bed sharing. It's also done by the london school of tropical diseases or something confused

WLmum Tue 21-May-13 08:09:52

Ouch! Oddly I feel that I'm more at risk of suffocating her now than I did when she was new - not sure if that's because I'm more used to her so less aware or because I hang onto her more so she doesn't roll. Anyway, I'm glad that we're pretty much past the bed sharing stage.

We're not weaning yet, holding off for another couple of weeks until 6 months.

WLmum Tue 21-May-13 08:10:52

Excellent points isthat and spotty.

halestone Tue 21-May-13 08:20:16

WL i don't bed share for the same reason, shes a roller now. But when she was younger it was a case of throw her in our bed to feed so i can try and get some sleep.

Barbeasty Tue 21-May-13 08:22:13

Good sleep, spotty.

We've not started weaning yet, despite A's best attempts. I had DD and A in my knee last week. DD had a plate with cake on it and I suddenly realised there was a 3rd hand holding it. Then a quick swipe and a fist full if cake vanished. I prised it back off him! No interest in veg though..

I don't know whether to start soon. He'll start at about 24/25 weeks anyway, as that's when he goes to nursery.

Barbeasty Tue 21-May-13 08:32:07

Yes, and why do people co-sleep. There seem to be 2 camps: those who have always intended to do it because it fits their patenting "ethos", and those who fall into it as the only way baby or parents can sleep.

I'd be interested to see how those two groups compare and whether the 2nd have some as yet unidentified risk factor which causes sleeping problems.

And is there a difference between sleeping with just one parent or both.

How about what sort of birth (ie level of trauma)

What time of year? Is it safer in the (cold) winter?

And who were the other 4500 and how were they selected?

How frequently do people co-sleep? If you perhaps do it if they're ill or teething or if you're staying away but at no other time, would you say you co-sleep or would you say you didn't?

Stacks Tue 21-May-13 09:26:52

DS has woken a few times in the past couple of days with real crying. He's not been startled awake or disturbed so I face to guess its teething or reflux. He's most often really happy when he wakes, or sometimes just really quiet and sleepy. I wasn't sure if it was common for them to sometimes wake crying, like a bad dream or something?

We're not weaning yet, though I feel quite pressured to do so. Everyone around us and in my family weaned a bit early and seem to want me to do the same. Either for my benefit (to mauve help with sleep or reflux) or perhaps because they want validation. Sometimes DS does seem 'ready' as he gets very intent on grabbing whatever I'm eating and trying to get it into his mouth. However, he's at the stage where he's grabbing everything and mouthing it, so it may not be food he's really wanting though he took a massive bite out of a napkin when I wasn't watching the other day.

Grats on the awesome sleep Spotty. We didn't have a great night.

Whoever was asking about biting - DS has started chomping down really hard recently. He's also fighting and straining lots though, punching, kicking and grabbing handfuls of flesh. I wonder if he's doing it in response to teething pain? It's like his whole body tenses up, and his hands and mouth clamp shut at the same time. I'm trying the delatch and say no method, but I'm not sure it's entirely voluntary. I hope it stops soon either way.

I find ds hits me in the face more, when feeding, when he's tired.

It's all kicking off on the chat thread about this bed sharing report...

Stacks how old is your ds? You need to do what's right for you and your ds. It's likely weaning will help with the reflux but it's not a given.

halestone Tue 21-May-13 09:39:59

I co-slept for the 2nd reason Barbeasty, whilst pregnant i had decided that my baby would never share my bed. However after the 1st week of no sleep i soon changed my mind. I genuinely think if i hadn't co-slept i would of developed depression due to how little H slept at that time. At least whilst she was BF i could try and sleep.

I also think SIDS will never be irradicated, there are so many factors that can influence it. I am actually of the camp that its just down to fate you can do all you can to minimise risk and it could still happen to you. I thank my lucky stars that it hasn't happened to me or anyone i know.

WLmum Tue 21-May-13 10:47:01

That was good sleep spotty, wonder if the weaning is helping.

We had an average night, wake ups at 11ish and 3ish both for about 30 mins but sadly the bin bags had no affect today so we were up for the day at 5.15. Tired and grumpy mummy this morning. T has had a couple of sharp crying spells this morning which is v unlike her. The first one was in the car right after dd1 was making her laugh by saying 'boobies'!

WLmum Tue 21-May-13 10:47:59

Me too hales.

Hmm I've wondered too, but I don't want to count my chickens.... All literature says weaning doesn't make a difference to sleep!

Total lunch refusal after gagging on avocado. Argh I hate weaning. Can't blame him really puréed veg tastes rank.

Barbeasty Tue 21-May-13 11:59:28

And me, first time. 2nd time was planned, but only because I knew it was the only way we'd sleep iyswim!

I need to tackle the kitchen today. Since we swapped rooms around and turned the dinning room into a playroom, the kitchen sides are my new dumping ground. I'm running out of work surface!

Yep I'm the same as the rest of you. I generally don't co sleep as DP kicks out a lot in his sleep. He has been known to punch/headbutt me in his sleep shock But most mornings, once DP's gone to work, J comes in with me for an hour or so just so I can function. It's so lovely sleeping with your baby too. Disclaimer Jamie sleeps like me - in one place without moving all night, so no stray arms or legs whacking me

Today I have a nap refuser, he slept 8-4:45, 5:30-6:30 and then 6:30-8:30! So his routine is completely off and he won't eat or sleep and is cranky. Totally worth it for a lie in though wink

Ps I wouldn't stray onto that thread in chat Spotty for all the tea in China! They're biting each others heads off! <wimp>

WLmum Tue 21-May-13 12:44:08

Quite right willyou, much safer here!

itsMYNutella Tue 21-May-13 15:52:21

Hello everyone. Am I right in thinking you have a bank hol weekend coming? We had one the weekend just gone & I'm really t sure if the uk one was on a different weekend.

DS went almost two weeks without a poo.shock He did of course save it for when he was being changed. Not too bad - we always have a towel on the changing mat to help catch accidents grin

I'm also waiting for weaning until he shows an interest. He is 20 weeks today and was watching me eating and drinking at lunchtime. I offered him a bit of my banana and he wasn't in the least interested.

stacks (I think) DS occasionally bites, it catches me by surprise so I often say a loud "ow"- unintentionally- and he lets go and looks at me like "gosh, mummy, that was a strange noise you made... Why did you do that?"

Willyou & WL I had a little read of that thread too and totally agree. Best to read and leave well alone!

itsMYNutella Tue 21-May-13 15:53:32

Incidentally - I often end up co sleeping with DS. Normally because I fall asleep after feeding him and am lazy it's easier to have him next to me for the next one <dreams of a nights uninterrupted sleep>

Bank holiday here first week and last week of may so yes this weekend smile

I just tackled my sitting room. Took me an hour shock I dusted dd's bigger toys who'd have thought a wooden garage and kitchen could get so disgusting?! Ds was good the whole time on his play mat, although he wiggled off it a few times. He's so close to rolling he just gets onto his side and then doesn't bother trying after that hmm